From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 01:16:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AA27106564A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 01:16:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from guam10.hdk5.net (guam10.hdk5.net [66.180.132.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011B08FC13 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 01:16:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by guam10.hdk5.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB911CC47 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:16:34 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <4D5730F2.6060803@hdk5.net> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:16:34 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Add dhcp wlan on existing static lan X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 01:16:36 -0000 Aloha, I want to add a dhcp NetGear WPN824v3 wireless leg for 2 laptops (1 MS7 and 1 Ubuntu Linux) on my existing static IP lan of 10 desktops and servers (all FreeBSD). I run fixed IP on both segments now using 192.168.1.x addresses but would like to have dhcp segment on the wireless side since the laptops have to be reconfigured every time they come back on my home/office lan. Has anyone on our list had experience with this or knows of a how-to? Thanks, ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 03:14:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E88106566C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 03:14:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xxjack12xx@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B16D8FC12 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 03:14:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyf6 with SMTP id 6so1882709eyf.13 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2011 19:14:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NWjlSSVND2dpKrW3Tj1Pj3ZMekTgpQfuR7iJ8dYMjcE=; b=PGWByfdslDKm17BiT9MAjXxEro0cI2AIfITwGeQniQigUESzbIz5rpW8g+XLknr2yF 80FPDkToGr6uygWcW0kzTCTwpSc+Yzg/BD+aG+k432mjBwRqi7Zq8avEag6r1pjE3JvC 6Z746j94Yc8+gwR5yZju+/SwX6DrR825j8uBc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tT76o1hCdegewTdlmkzLDt9RqvwP2eJl4JHpy9Z0PneMqOA+zm3d9XROfjzMuHetuy L8z4yQf/q8MAZH9zb42J4hEqrMgaZphzh8FHxoB7EkPKsiqZONxSF0endS4K+vv7iz+M W3DRYiCMME6nn7HrEOpMnCbcywOc6OHbipGks= Received: by 10.14.53.65 with SMTP id f41mr2260810eec.41.1297565258269; Sat, 12 Feb 2011 18:47:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.31.161 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2011 18:47:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: "Jack L." Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 18:47:14 -0800 Message-ID: To: Robert Ames Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recording from sound card X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 03:14:13 -0000 On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Robert Ames wrote= : > > I'm having problems trying to record from a sound card under > 8.1-RELEASE. =C2=A0The last time I tried this was many releases ago, > possibly 4.x-RELEASE. =C2=A0Back then I would do something like "cat > /dev/dsp > file" but now when I try it I just end up with a 0 byte > file. =C2=A0I'm using a different sound card than before so maybe that > has something to do with it. =C2=A0Or possibly I just don't know which > device to use. =C2=A0Playing sounds using "cat file.wav > /dev/dsp0.0" > works fine, but I can't get recording to work. =C2=A0Does anyone have > any suggestions? =C2=A0Thanks. > > $ cat /dev/sndstat > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm: 32bit 2009061500/i386) > Installed devices: > pcm0: (play/rec) default > > $ sysctl -a | egrep '(snd|pcm|sound)' > hw.snd.vpc_reset: 0 > hw.snd.vpc_0db: 45 > hw.snd.vpc_autoreset: 1 > hw.snd.latency_profile: 1 > hw.snd.latency: 5 > hw.snd.report_soft_matrix: 1 > hw.snd.report_soft_formats: 1 > hw.snd.compat_linux_mmap: 0 > hw.snd.feeder_eq_exact_rate: 0 > hw.snd.feeder_eq_presets: PEQ:16000,0.2500,62,0.2500:-9,9,1.0:44100,48000= ,88200,96000,176400,192000 > hw.snd.feeder_rate_quality: 1 > hw.snd.feeder_rate_round: 25 > hw.snd.feeder_rate_max: 2016000 > hw.snd.feeder_rate_min: 1 > hw.snd.feeder_rate_polyphase_max: 183040 > hw.snd.feeder_rate_presets: 100:8:0.85 100:36:0.92 100:164:0.97 > hw.snd.vpc_mixer_bypass: 1 > hw.snd.verbose: 0 > hw.snd.maxautovchans: 16 > hw.snd.default_unit: 0 > hw.snd.version: 2009061500/i386 > hw.snd.default_auto: 0 > dev.pcm.0.%desc: Creative CT5880-C > dev.pcm.0.%driver: pcm > dev.pcm.0.%location: slot=3D9 function=3D0 > dev.pcm.0.%pnpinfo: vendor=3D0x1274 device=3D0x5880 subvendor=3D0x1274 su= bdevice=3D0x2003 class=3D0x040100 > dev.pcm.0.%parent: pci0 > dev.pcm.0.eapd: 1 > dev.pcm.0.play.vchans: 1 > dev.pcm.0.play.vchanmode: fixed > dev.pcm.0.play.vchanrate: 48000 > dev.pcm.0.play.vchanformat: s16le:2.0 > dev.pcm.0.rec.vchans: 1 > dev.pcm.0.rec.vchanmode: fixed > dev.pcm.0.rec.vchanrate: 48000 > dev.pcm.0.rec.vchanformat: s16le:2.0 > dev.pcm.0.buffersize: 4096 > dev.pcm.0.bitperfect: 0 > dev.pcm.0.spdif_enabled: 0 > dev.pcm.0.latency_timer: 32 > dev.pcm.0.polling: 0 > > $ mixer > Mixer vol =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0is currently set to =C2=A075:75 > Mixer pcm =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0is currently set to =C2=A075:75 > Mixer speaker =C2=A0is currently set to =C2=A075:75 > Mixer line =C2=A0 =C2=A0 is currently set to =C2=A075:75 > Mixer mic =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0is currently set to =C2=A073:73 > Mixer cd =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 is currently set to =C2=A075:75 > Mixer rec =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0is currently set to =C2=A075:75 > Mixer igain =C2=A0 =C2=A0is currently set to =C2=A0 0:0 > Mixer ogain =C2=A0 =C2=A0is currently set to =C2=A050:50 > Mixer line1 =C2=A0 =C2=A0is currently set to =C2=A075:75 > Mixer phin =C2=A0 =C2=A0 is currently set to =C2=A0 0:0 > Mixer phout =C2=A0 =C2=A0is currently set to =C2=A0 0:0 > Mixer video =C2=A0 =C2=A0is currently set to =C2=A075:75 > Recording source: mic What does ls /dev/dsp* yield? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:12:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B55E1106564A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:12:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E1428FC08 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:12:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so2382783qwj.13 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2011 23:12:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=n26opPaQTLRpoTyt/A7pkHenbqn64AXljo/65asJiXw=; b=ooG8iuxV5WF7Vq32mRLyHKtMTyz8NaRjNae3i/oF15uiueVr0Kv9OhA0VH5pmU7AmB D9oIIEHtjjrtdNbMrLLlpgAstZz2BtXPgDW7QqXba8o2fzked7TLK0ifLh+EEou+vkD9 pFcqL3tWjk/16jA1WkyEUEr5foBDO0qPCIVh0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=BHZxL33pQk342Ace9DP63p4I9KqCaEjXbkjA6JwVVv5736l9Mp9jfB/Bfcpml/ivZV 0eRYIH4ccGj6c+sZPsAjBYQOxHm4+mXYb0TAauiudSCVuT5o/A7/n4yKbD+m72+f9lGo OhBOxFvX2wufBpz/quQygHzZVpoxQPAtWGXhE= Received: by 10.229.189.6 with SMTP id dc6mr1855202qcb.175.1297581155880; Sat, 12 Feb 2011 23:12:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.88.9 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2011 23:12:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:12:05 +0300 Message-ID: To: Bahman Kahinpour Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Debian GNU/kFreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:12:38 -0000 My question is: WHY need 7 DVDs??? DVDs?? Even M$ does not do such a crazy thing with its bloat-ware!! FreeBSD ships 1 DVD. What is it that this Debian GNU/kFreeBSD ships in those 7 DVDs? On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Bahman Kahinpour wrote: > After a lot of searching over the Internet for finding the full 7 DVD > set of Debian GNU/kFreeBSD system I found all of them in > > http://debian.nctu.edu.tw/debian-cd/6.0.0/kfreebsd-i386/iso-dvd/ > http://debian.nctu.edu.tw/debian-cd/6.0.0/kfreebsd-amd64/iso-dvd/ > > And was able to try it a little bit. It is very interesting that you > have a "real FreeBSD Kernel". It may be very interesting to use > DEB/APT system on FreeBSD too as it is extremely easy-to-use and > reliable. What's your idea? Is there really a way to use DEB packages > on the original FreeBSD system? Does anyone think that having an > optional APT system somewhere like in the Ports Collection or ... can > be advantageous? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:48:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EAEE106566C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:48:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D1E98FC17 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:48:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 515 invoked by uid 0); 13 Feb 2011 07:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2011 07:48:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=d2J7OLJ2pMcViRfzm4vc9/l6MkxdvpNEwgrNvzOemcKdMV4qK9CekeWil5rVRAvM4ZFS/OR4Uuai6WD3XX3wrEebcnQtIOt3VIjkNxHcWfGuD0XVLX5gSIyuEr3wfRL6; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PoWh3-0004SO-JL for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 00:48:30 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 13 Feb 2011 00:38:14 -0700 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 00:38:14 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D550415.8060105@ifdnrg.com> <20110211185738.GB45708@guilt.hydra> <4D56799D.13036.2335C99A@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0vzXIDBeUiKkjNJl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:48:31 -0000 --0vzXIDBeUiKkjNJl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 07:12:08PM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: >=20 > I fail to understand why manufacturers would let people install SSDs on > machines when their life is so much in question. I fail to see why a manufacturer would *not* want your hardware to wear out faster, since that would mean you would have to buy replacement hardware sooner. >=20 > Can someone please enlighten me on the dangers faced by those who opt to = get > their laptops installed with SSDs? In many cases, particularly where there is quite a lot of RAM installed in the system and where people use a netbook the way it was intended to be used when designed (typically involving a lot of Web browsing and not much else), SSDs might be the best option -- especially given the rapid obsolescence of low-performance, ultra-portable units. If you expect your hardware to last a long time, overrun "physical" RAM into swap space a lot, and (as you might with FreeBSD) compile code an awful lot, the heavier storage-write load might make more of a difference in the expected lifetime of the hardware. With FreeBSD, installing everything from binary packages can help mitigate the possible problems of shortening the life of your SSDs. Of course, if you care about having lots of storage, it's worth keeping in mind the fact that SSDs still cost a lot more per gigabyte of storage than rotating magnetic media (HDDs). >=20 > I personally have one, with a Toshiba 128GB SSD (THNS128GG4BAAA-NonFDE). I > am running Windows 7 on it. >=20 > Should I stop and buy a SATA disk?:) Probably not. You already have the SSD storage, and its improved performance for many operations (as well as improved durability under stress in the short term) can still be of benefit. Just be sure you know when the usable lifespan of your SSD approaches, keep good backups (as you always should anyway), and be happy. You'd surely be happier with a better OS on it, though -- right? --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --0vzXIDBeUiKkjNJl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1XimYACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWJCwCfQk4ivLUZMKS1atnYdD2bUmji NgsAnjbn3Moz4tDFuy71+oxNxlhtmkWW =mD2p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0vzXIDBeUiKkjNJl-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:56:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72EB7106566B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:56:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [66.147.249.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D7EE8FC1E for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:56:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 28678 invoked by uid 0); 13 Feb 2011 07:56:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy1.bluehost.com.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2011 07:56:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=Lw4rh7vP4AxGRAmYQvG4W5dEA9Cv7aFXkfY8N9ElzU7b/bdzJnDvQSFXdgJusNFmlkyDl8QOrDxcGMG5YaCxNjBUhotLJsjKLplZLWTfJi+Lsqg6Wn13VsUuEMnL0jcr; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PoWos-0005XK-It; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 00:56:35 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 13 Feb 2011 00:46:19 -0700 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 00:46:19 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110213074619.GA57938@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Cc: Subject: Re: Debian GNU/kFreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:56:36 -0000 --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:12:05AM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > My question is: WHY need 7 DVDs??? DVDs?? Even M$ does not do such a crazy > thing with its bloat-ware!! FreeBSD ships 1 DVD. > What is it that this Debian GNU/kFreeBSD ships in those 7 DVDs? It's probably just that portion of the complete Debian APT archives that has been compiled for the kFreeBSD variant of Debian. Those who want the complete set of archives on hand, for some version or other, rather than having to connect to the Internet every now and then to get packages, might find it handy. I've never used Debian (or any other open source OS) that way, though. Keep in mind that Debian's package archives have more software in them than any other OS software management system archives -- though I think FreeBSD is a not-too-distant second place. Also . . . do you think that top-posting helped? --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1XjEsACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUXogCg0nmkXc47/m2vz9yPDSUSw+fF Te4An3/srchNh0UtqaZWVW8IC6joubJb =5PSD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:57:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF85106564A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:57:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from milu@dat.pl) Received: from jab.dat.pl (dat.pl [80.51.155.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A41A8FC20 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:57:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jab.dat.pl (jsrv.dat.pl [127.0.0.1]) by jab.dat.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488A85A; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:57:05 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at dat.pl Received: from jab.dat.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by jab.dat.pl (jab.dat.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Beala1ixxKd2; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:57:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from snifi.laptop (77-255-248-103.adsl.inetia.pl [77.255.248.103]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by jab.dat.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 00F1335; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:57:00 +0100 (CET) From: Maciej Milewski To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:57:08 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.2-PRERELEASE; KDE/4.5.5; i386; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201102130857.08402.milu@dat.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Odhiambo Washington , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: Debian GNU/kFreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:57:08 -0000 Sunday 13 of February 2011 08:12:05 Odhiambo Washington napisa=B3(a): > My question is: WHY need 7 DVDs??? DVDs?? Even M$ does not do such a crazy > thing with its bloat-ware!! FreeBSD ships 1 DVD. > What is it that this Debian GNU/kFreeBSD ships in those 7 DVDs? I think the answer for your first question is on http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/index.en.html#which-cd And talking about GNU/kFreeBSD: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/kfreebsd-amd64/ch04s01.html.en "Although a full set of binary packages requires several CDs, it is unlikel= y=20 you will need packages on the third CD and above. You may also consider usi= ng=20 the DVD version, which saves a lot of space on your shelf and you avoid the= CD=20 shuffling marathon." They are writing about CD's but I think the same is about DVD's containing = the=20 most wanted packages on the first image(s). Of course that you don't need full set of DVD's. You can even use a small=20 netinstall cd to get Debian. AFAIR on the last discs there were sources for= =20 the packages from the first several discs. So the release version of the=20 Debian contains not only packages but the sources too and it's all included= in=20 these DVD's. It's like release of FreeBSD + all distfiles on the CD/DVD med= ia. Maciej From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:18:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD5F4106564A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:18:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (pancho.soaustin.net [76.74.250.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FBE48FC13 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:18:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 3303F5622A; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 02:01:46 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 02:01:46 -0600 From: Mark Linimon To: Odhiambo Washington Message-ID: <20110213080146.GA8257@lonesome.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Bahman Kahinpour Subject: Re: Debian GNU/kFreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:18:40 -0000 On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:12:05AM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > What is it that this Debian GNU/kFreeBSD ships in those 7 DVDs? Please ask that on one of their mailing lists; it's out of scope for the two mailing lists you posted to. mcl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:53:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD64106564A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:53:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9518FC15 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:53:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36so2704933qyk.13 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 00:53:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=SFWhhUmdj5lSnjiiza/H0YGtOo1aVMSJXMYtqXTFiQk=; b=tZeqnCKa2HObsAiy4101zzUb9jD2zVCU0a/wI9Tje4PCP1XhUeHGuJiOS2MFdIsjU7 wDkqK+OUCnDF4OEG4lYQ1xdO4SyJ30TCFHrFF/cSSDm2QkCDUvn3uVfOXO3fdzCletyA gHH9FK2MmULUY68VyiWSRXasXmRfYlKGHi+yc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=auBjNhLEwgt02IzXiuKsZuhHzu5WOghNWQBrCIvRK5ItxVH8smwEPuoBQB+5i9pyTj IfZst5oUetqOMIvUK/yp57nxnSZpL5m4UfJh6qVQWwrAGYCUu6RRhSDSmDiKOqNKtMgC cl8cC3Hr+4xFpVzMizF1ouTxlywaP3+DMFhFs= Received: by 10.229.189.6 with SMTP id dc6mr1890268qcb.175.1297587228600; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 00:53:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.88.9 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 00:53:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> References: <4D550415.8060105@ifdnrg.com> <20110211185738.GB45708@guilt.hydra> <4D56799D.13036.2335C99A@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:53:18 +0300 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:53:49 -0000 On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 07:12:08PM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > I fail to understand why manufacturers would let people install SSDs on > > machines when their life is so much in question. > > I fail to see why a manufacturer would *not* want your hardware to wear > out faster, since that would mean you would have to buy replacement > hardware sooner. > > > > > > Can someone please enlighten me on the dangers faced by those who opt to > get > > their laptops installed with SSDs? > > In many cases, particularly where there is quite a lot of RAM installed > in the system and where people use a netbook the way it was intended to > be used when designed (typically involving a lot of Web browsing and not > much else), SSDs might be the best option -- especially given the rapid > obsolescence of low-performance, ultra-portable units. If you expect > your hardware to last a long time, overrun "physical" RAM into swap space > a lot, and (as you might with FreeBSD) compile code an awful lot, the > heavier storage-write load might make more of a difference in the > expected lifetime of the hardware. > > With FreeBSD, installing everything from binary packages can help > mitigate the possible problems of shortening the life of your SSDs. > > Of course, if you care about having lots of storage, it's worth keeping > in mind the fact that SSDs still cost a lot more per gigabyte of storage > than rotating magnetic media (HDDs). > > > > > > I personally have one, with a Toshiba 128GB SSD (THNS128GG4BAAA-NonFDE). > I > > am running Windows 7 on it. > > > > Should I stop and buy a SATA disk?:) > > Probably not. You already have the SSD storage, and its improved > performance for many operations (as well as improved durability under > stress in the short term) can still be of benefit. Just be sure you know > when the usable lifespan of your SSD approaches, keep good backups (as > you always should anyway), and be happy. > > You'd surely be happier with a better OS on it, though -- right? > Hehee, Chad, on the "Desktop", I'd rather run the ratware from Redmond than try FreeBSD! The second choice would be Linusware (not that I know much about it, but just because "it" seems to support certain aspects which would otherwise be painful to get to work with FreeBSD). Third option is PC-BSD (which is what you mean with "better OS"). All my servers run FreeBSD though. The "better OS" is not so better at the Desktop, hence the choice of ratware:-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:54:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301B9106566C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:54:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from NordSudEcoles@free.fr) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml-g19.proxad.net [212.27.60.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA548FC13 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F313C278B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:37:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from ml-g19 by ml-g19 (LISTAR/0.42); Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:37:40 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:37:40 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: X-listar-antiloop: ml-g19 Precedence: list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Expiry-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:37:40 +0100 (CET) Subject: Listar command results: -- Binary/unsupported file stripped by Listar -- X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:54:20 -0000 Request received for list 'nse' via request address. >> The original message was included as attachment Unknown command. --- Gestionnaire de liste Listar/0.42 - fin de traitement/job execution complete. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 09:19:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7D8106566C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:19:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE678FC08 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:19:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36so2710670qyk.13 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 01:19:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=4akCjkDiE8Jn7eAHRwTRGn0QGMj024A2cceC1CQuO58=; b=IBc0IV+4lqOmMBmCbGllL/HvfltRAYb0EnY1JyKJ9I7E5mqaN+A1a2zGQrEZxQmTtN xp+dYv88Qb15/1lUQRmcj7sa+zUsOWxxQYiRHJ3mtjmhk9RASH9niDoDulyCTr1kTQuq hgUFzNEIkTPOOyDNeuSGggLOQrLM0tYUKABaE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=SuXPnj7qg30cHEj7iSNBnfIm/JjHw+Ke24dKbZ8KV49AHOiob4r20IRiXZdgx9dxkK tGLFV1/aumFDOuWLEXDbqPLm8tUar66Irtp4MYGVwbEqGw5lm4DsITzOAT+Lk0KhQxOB rFgFnDZfXV96gzteXEucWuH/2OaQVfbcD/0k8= Received: by 10.229.211.206 with SMTP id gp14mr1876352qcb.289.1297588740287; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 01:19:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.88.9 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 01:18:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110213080146.GA8257@lonesome.com> References: <20110213080146.GA8257@lonesome.com> From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:18:30 +0300 Message-ID: To: Mark Linimon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Bahman Kahinpour Subject: Re: Debian GNU/kFreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:19:01 -0000 On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:12:05AM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > What is it that this Debian GNU/kFreeBSD ships in those 7 DVDs? > > Please ask that on one of their mailing lists; it's out of scope for > the two mailing lists you posted to. > > mcl > It was posted "here" so I must ask here. I am sorry thought that my "reply-all" went a little bit too far. I did not check that aspect. Why do some people post the way the OP did though? I blame the OP! -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 09:34:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40047106566B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:34:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 054A78FC08 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:34:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 23990 invoked by uid 0); 13 Feb 2011 09:34:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2011 09:34:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=AjxqyMPB85UdCtcKgFFA+XDtUF56l8k2u2I9p+C/Z3UzyKelOEWRPpbpRZaMBSIbgOY1ESOxj/uV68KPKejFmVEIUK70XT60swIj+AzLzudHe8YCFZ0/Dbsw14v0ciVg; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PoYLI-0005By-Le for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 02:34:09 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 13 Feb 2011 02:23:53 -0700 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 02:23:53 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D550415.8060105@ifdnrg.com> <20110211185738.GB45708@guilt.hydra> <4D56799D.13036.2335C99A@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:34:11 -0000 --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:53:18AM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > You'd surely be happier with a better OS on it, though -- right? >=20 > Chad, on the "Desktop", I'd rather run the ratware from Redmond than try > FreeBSD! The second choice would be Linusware (not that I know much about > it, but just because "it" seems to support certain aspects which would > otherwise be painful to get to work with FreeBSD). Third option is PC-BSD > (which is what you mean with "better OS"). All my servers run FreeBSD > though. The "better OS" is not so better at the Desktop, hence the choice= of > ratware:-) You clearly have a different opinion of what constitutes a good OS than I have. I prefer a desktop/laptop OS that is stable, reasonably securable, and productivity enhancing. I do not find immense and unnecessary bloat, a fundamentally broken approach to things like privilege separation, and a GUI so pervasively bound to interfere that CPU can spike to near 100% just by moving the mouse across the screen to meet those needs. Perhaps the fact that I use my desktop/laptop systems for things like writing code and articles rather than playing Guild Wars all day colors my perceptions. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1XoykACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWmUQCgtiB5ZIp8eWkCR8pEbPE6biK1 qMYAnReh8TEljTF+nDyYY5iQkDcusi8l =We+/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 12:38:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAEA21065672 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:38:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 722B58FC19 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxh35 with SMTP id 35so1748143yxh.13 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 04:38:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.110.5 with SMTP id t5mr4623022yhg.8.1297600698975; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 04:38:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-070-216-068.nc.res.rr.com [71.70.216.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y64sm836031yha.9.2011.02.13.04.38.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 13 Feb 2011 04:38:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5FF1BE54833 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:38:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:38:01 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> References: <4D550415.8060105@ifdnrg.com> <20110211185738.GB45708@guilt.hydra> <4D56799D.13036.2335C99A@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/juc5FAEfSPFvY/Y/+1FYkWI"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:38:20 -0000 --Sig_/juc5FAEfSPFvY/Y/+1FYkWI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 02:23:53 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:53:18AM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Chad Perrin > > wrote: > > > > > > You'd surely be happier with a better OS on it, though -- right? > >=20 > > Chad, on the "Desktop", I'd rather run the ratware from Redmond > > than try FreeBSD! The second choice would be Linusware (not that I > > know much about it, but just because "it" seems to support certain > > aspects which would otherwise be painful to get to work with > > FreeBSD). Third option is PC-BSD (which is what you mean with > > "better OS"). All my servers run FreeBSD though. The "better OS" is > > not so better at the Desktop, hence the choice of ratware:-) >=20 > You clearly have a different opinion of what constitutes a good OS > than I have. I prefer a desktop/laptop OS that is stable, reasonably > securable, and productivity enhancing. I do not find immense and > unnecessary bloat, a fundamentally broken approach to things like > privilege separation, and a GUI so pervasively bound to interfere > that CPU can spike to near 100% just by moving the mouse across the > screen to meet those needs. >=20 > Perhaps the fact that I use my desktop/laptop systems for things like > writing code and articles rather than playing Guild Wars all day > colors my perceptions. "Bloat" is a purely subjective term. What one user considers bloat could very well be a requirement for another use. For example, while you might consider it bloat to have drivers for modern wireless "N" protocol cards, many other users have a real need for them. I have four PC present working in my home. Three are FreeBSD machines and one a Win7 one. The Windows machine is essential, if for no other reason than there is software that is just not available on a FreeBSD platform. Or if it is available, it is of very poor quality. MS Office is a perfect example. Despite all of the rubbish the FOSS community has spewed for over 10 years, OpenOffice is nothing more than a poor clone of Office 97. The newly released "libreoffice" might be usable someday; however, it is now only in its infancy. There is no way it can be compared to a full blown MS Office 10 suite. Until the FOSS can write applications that are not only compatible with, but as fully functional as MS Office and similar software, as well as provide drivers in a timely manner (and I am still waiting for Java to be updated to the latest version so that it will work with the FreeBSD version of Firefox, or for acroread9 to actually work and play well with others, etc), Microsoft will always be a requirement for many end users. This is in no way a condemnation of FreeBSD, or any other open-source product. It is just a simple statement of fact. The majority of users, despite what they may publicly proclaim, want software and hardware that just works. I had installed an older nVidia GeForce GT 220 card in an older PC and then discovered that there was no sound being emitted by the machine. Wasting valuable time, I finally discovered that I had to modify the "sysctl.conf" file. Crap like that should just not happen. Things should just work. If other OS's can accomplish that feat, there is no reasonable reason that FreeBSD cannot attain that level of usability either, unless its goal is to remain nothing more than a hobbyist's toy. For the record, I have never played "Guild Wars", although there are many fine games available that are not available on the FreeBSD platform. And no, I am not going to blame the authors of said software for that since they have an absolute right, well maybe not according to the EC aka ECUSSR, but in a normal and free business climate to write and publish software in whatever OS language they desire.=20 Just my 2=C2=A2. --=20 Jerry =E2=9C=8C FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ There is never time to do it right, but always time to do it over. --Sig_/juc5FAEfSPFvY/Y/+1FYkWI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNV9C3AAoJEHdwsA8xwKhFXrAH+QFKchvTlPHWEPkGmBiMnVcG x3irWdpvwrZoXH4FLhYEYYIygXpbmcKio5efgDr+fiD3Lw0ijU9E3ku8kzi24m0e uHQTMdFxAmn6jp6q7X8TWyUPPhaU3ML3G+a+yj0/ycG93Nj0aSbgTs1kEv9svLBG IusaoOPxmBSYOAb/wXqUu0iET4uqBl0cK/D8r+Nu5E7SKh1sOe557hnPuBX+lsOy MRudSF5ZmYpK7SSdT0ARNd3GPdYhnr14L0dToKHCGS9OKWlwM3csfJySE2/49FDF +OaaCGMao14aTkDpITjCkh3jm35KIwPlLCoL5ZTYvAr4JsVmiHpU5mqUrBdlXJg= =0M6V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/juc5FAEfSPFvY/Y/+1FYkWI-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 13:10:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75DB1065673 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:10:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (unknown [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C7F8FC14 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:10:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54F3E838C; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:10:53 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cran.org.uk; h=date:from :to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mail; bh=jKQbe2vZBTV9 Tb/y+0Ysll44IRw=; b=Nem18jJqC0STtsWPFUdwYA/Jrlk1tAwDTyWXV0+EtXIU cONMWofF7v7FY3wcThmKccsNgWApEMx/YC4998IjxxvOD25Gn3YOzQvOsk7i3RtM eqVpnlazDc0FAHw+Tugc/xNtgRXOUuloBfMXhGlTaGXYX3KfWjL172GWEyprcn8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cran.org.uk; h=date:from:to :cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=mail; b=F37T8W I/vah5hdJdIYy90GZbfu+S4GOxiP0sIkm1EA1s6sqycJcbVrK/BfifbqkHRne3xo lSGiIR1En1IJ0ZCob+/gosZkva5tAlGqVN11rvxDWU1AgvTq5Q7V0yeuGiDN62Wa JGKhgdDhfFDZ3SqkhhK0fzaDnPOE8VUc0yRRo= Received: from unknown (client-86-31-165-87.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com [86.31.165.87]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 732FDE8329; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:10:53 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:10:51 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110213131051.00001ebf@unknown> In-Reply-To: <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> References: <4D550415.8060105@ifdnrg.com> <20110211185738.GB45708@guilt.hydra> <4D56799D.13036.2335C99A@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8cvs9 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd.user@seibercom.net Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:10:59 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:38:01 -0500 Jerry wrote: > Despite all of the rubbish the FOSS community > has spewed for over 10 years, OpenOffice is nothing more than a poor > clone of Office 97. The newly released "libreoffice" might be usable > someday; however, it is now only in its infancy. There is no way it > can be compared to a full blown MS Office 10 suite. For some, Office is unusable due to the new Ribbon interface and libreoffice is the usable office suite due to its familiar menus. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 13:35:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3CA6106566B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:35:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1638FC08 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:35:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-143-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.143.131]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88EE3CAEE; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:35:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p1DDZq7b004254; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:35:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:35:52 +0100 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Message-Id: <20110213143552.3051a05e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> References: <4D550415.8060105@ifdnrg.com> <20110211185738.GB45708@guilt.hydra> <4D56799D.13036.2335C99A@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jerry Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:35:56 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:38:01 -0500, Jerry wrote: > "Bloat" is a purely subjective term. It's not. > What one user considers bloat > could very well be a requirement for another use. For example, while > you might consider it bloat to have drivers for modern wireless "N" > protocol cards, many other users have a real need for them. This would not be bloat in any regards. Bloat refers to software that raises hardware requirements (or also software requirements) for NO benefit at all. For example, a program that re-implements existing functionality, but does it in a way that the final result becomes much slower, more vulnerable to attacks or generally more insecure, would be bloat. This is a relation between what software provides and what it requires for that in chance. A term in relation is "overall usage speed" which contains things like system booting time, program loading time, time needed for interaction and so on. The corresponding equation would be software requirements speed = ----------------------- hardware resources which shows that if you increase both parts, the result will stay constant. This is the explaination why a 386 with 40 MHz and GEOS (Geoworks Ensemble) does not feel slower than a current PC with plentycore processor and tenmelonhundred Gigahertz and tons of RAM, running "Windows" and the MICROS~1 office suite. This assumes that people do the same things with both example systems, as they usually do (here: generic example of word processing). You can easily see that working (!) hardware support would not be bloat. In opposite, it would be very WELCOME to have support for wireless "N" protocol cards on ANY operating system. But there are reasons why it is NOT the case. This means that bloat is not specific to an OS. There are systems that traditionally emphasize the development of bloatware for their own marketing reasons, but you can also find bloated software on efficient and secure systems. > I have four PC present working in my home. Three are FreeBSD machines > and one a Win7 one. The Windows machine is essential, if for no other > reason than there is software that is just not available on a FreeBSD > platform. Or if it is available, it is of very poor quality. MS Office > is a perfect example. Despite all of the rubbish the FOSS community has > spewed for over 10 years, OpenOffice is nothing more than a poor clone > of Office 97. The newly released "libreoffice" might be usable someday; > however, it is now only in its infancy. There is no way it can be > compared to a full blown MS Office 10 suite. Which ordinary people treat like a worse typewriter. :-) I can see that there may be fields where office suites have their right to exist. I've been working in a multi-OS place where Linux, BSD, Mac boxes as well as some "Windows" have been working quite cooperatively. The MICROS~1 office programs always caused problems, and as the systems were all given a OpenOffice installation, things magically worked. This, keep in mind, is just a very individual observation that does not claim to be applicable everywhere, just as yours. > Until the FOSS can write > applications that are not only compatible with, but as fully functional > as MS Office and similar software, as well as provide drivers in a > timely manner Just ask for the many different file format specifications for DOC files. You do know where you need to ask, don't you? :-) Honestly: If you need to open outdated or defective DOC files, there is always OpenOffice which achieves what the MICROS~1 program can't. > (and I am still waiting for Java to be updated to the > latest version so that it will work with the FreeBSD version of > Firefox, or for acroread9 to actually work and play well with others, > etc), Microsoft will always be a requirement for many end users. Many things you named work also on the Mac OS X platform which is also essential to many end users. Also note that Java and Acroread are just requirements for OTHER things, as they are tools to support other fields of use. THOSE fields are the ones creating the initial requirements (e. g. changing file formats, language specifications, arbitrary interface changes, and so on). > This is in no way a condemnation of FreeBSD, or any other open-source > product. It is just a simple statement of fact. Which is to be seen in relation to reality. > The majority of users, > despite what they may publicly proclaim, want software and hardware > that just works. That's true. But MANUFACTURERS do not want such hardware, as this is NOT the way to increase geowth. Just imagine you could sell a "just works" PC that "just works" three years. Good idea? No. Better sell a "halfway works" PC every year along with a support bundle. If it doesn't break by itself, do it in software: "Feature X requires software Y, but software Y requires hardware Z." The NEEDS of the majority of users is NOT in the scope of the manufacturers, or the majority would use web-bases services entirely by the means of their TV set (as a kind of terminal access system). This would FULLY be sufficient for them, and keep them away from most problems they have with "modern" hardware and software that "just works" (which it in fact does not). > I had installed an older nVidia GeForce GT 220 card in > an older PC and then discovered that there was no sound being emitted by > the machine. Wasting valuable time, I finally discovered that I had to > modify the "sysctl.conf" file. Crap like that should just not happen. This is the natural result of multi-purpose hardware. As there are more and more possibilities to use hardware XYZ, the system has to make those CHOICES it inherits availabe to the user. Of course, there could be a preset value, but it may happen that this value does not fit the needs of a certain amount of users, be it 1%, 20% or 50%. So what preset value would be good, or would it be better to let the user decide? Or should he be limited in what he can do with the hardware he bought just to keep him from being able to choose? > Things should just work. Yes, I agree, they should. More and more often, you find that they don't, and the more functionality an egg-laying wool-milk-sow can provide, the harder it is for a system to provide access to that functionality, especially when the manufacturer does deny the existence of that OS in particular, or existing (!) standards in general. There would be no need for thousands of incomparable drivers if standards would be used. But as I said, it is not intended: If the customer can just use a generic PS printer profile for his new printer, why should he install the bloatware DVD coming with the printer that allows the manufacturer to spy at how many pages he prints, when, and with which content? > If other OS's can accomplish that feat, there > is no reasonable reason that FreeBSD cannot attain that level of > usability either, unless its goal is to remain nothing more than a > hobbyist's toy. Erm... excuse me... do I understand your statement correctly? Honest question! You state that FreeBSD is currently nothing more than a hobbyist's toy? I may say - again a very individual standpoint - that I am using FreeBSD on servers AND on my home desktop EXCLUSIVELY since version 4 without missing ANY cool feature that all the "Windows"-kiddies are so proud of. What they claim to be doing today has been done by me yesterday already. :-) It's your KNOWLEDGE and EXPERIENCE defining the value of the system you use. It's NOT the system per se. > For the record, I have never played "Guild Wars", although there are > many fine games available that are not available on the FreeBSD > platform. Not natively, as FreeBSD doesn't exist. Didn't you know? Only the web exists, which is the Internet, this has been invented by MICROS~1 and consists of "Flash". :-) Having been a PC player myself, I've played many games on FreeBSD that were made for other systems, without many problems. It's very true that you traditionally can't play the most current games on FreeBSD, but you can't do so on the outdated "Windows" versions out there, too, and I do not mention specific hardware requirements here. > And no, I am not going to blame the authors of said software > for that since they have an absolute right, well maybe not according to > the EC aka ECUSSR, but in a normal and free business climate to write > and publish software in whatever OS language they desire. I do not disagree with that. If the developer of a program or the author of a web page wishes to exclude me from participating on his content, it's his ABSOLUTE right. But: There is NO right to require propretary and even financially-oriented software, protocols, mechanisms or other stuff to participate on a free and standardized structure of services and contents that the Internet provides, generally spoken, like "you need a 'Windows' to get online". "Eat or die" is an abuse of market positions. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 13:41:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C269B1065670 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:41:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B53A8FC14 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:41:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-143-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.143.131]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3FE3CA3C; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:41:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p1DDf9aU004938; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:41:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:41:09 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Bruce Cran Message-Id: <20110213144109.cc6940c6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110213131051.00001ebf@unknown> References: <4D550415.8060105@ifdnrg.com> <20110211185738.GB45708@guilt.hydra> <4D56799D.13036.2335C99A@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> <20110213131051.00001ebf@unknown> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:41:11 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:10:51 +0000, Bruce Cran wrote: > For some, Office is unusable due to the new Ribbon interface and > libreoffice is the usable office suite due to its familiar menus. Users who have already used PCs are familiar with the menu technique of functionality presentation. Scanning them is a lot faster than trying to find things in an always-changing context-sensitive Ribbon interface where things tend to rearrange whatever your focus is currently on. On the other hand, the Ribbon would be good for new users who do not have to re-learn things and who are not good at thinking in categories, or good at thinking at all. :-) No, seriously: Provided certain parameters (big screen, no established knowledge, no need for consistency, average visual perception and discrimination abilities), the Ribbon can benefit work. Just because *I* do not feel familiar with it, it doesn't mean that others have to judge the same way. Oh, and you don't really need it when you already know the keyboard shortcuts, which is ESSENTIAL for serious work (because it's faster). :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 13:58:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCD01065673 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:58:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6988FC1A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwj21 with SMTP id 21so1765643gwj.13 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 05:58:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.110.169 with SMTP id u29mr4649058yhg.99.1297605488965; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 05:58:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-070-216-068.nc.res.rr.com [71.70.216.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g2sm851011yhc.28.2011.02.13.05.58.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 13 Feb 2011 05:58:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7E1A6E54833 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:58:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:58:05 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110213085805.72f0132d@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20110213131051.00001ebf@unknown> References: <4D550415.8060105@ifdnrg.com> <20110211185738.GB45708@guilt.hydra> <4D56799D.13036.2335C99A@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> <20110213131051.00001ebf@unknown> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:58:15 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:10:51 +0000 Bruce Cran articulated: > On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:38:01 -0500 > Jerry wrote: > > > Despite all of the rubbish the FOSS community > > has spewed for over 10 years, OpenOffice is nothing more than a poor > > clone of Office 97. The newly released "libreoffice" might be usable > > someday; however, it is now only in its infancy. There is no way it > > can be compared to a full blown MS Office 10 suite. > > For some, Office is unusable due to the new Ribbon interface and > libreoffice is the usable office suite due to its familiar menus. New, as in four years old? That is one of the worst straw man arguments I have heard in a while. In any case, In 2008 OpenOffice.org started the project Renaissance to improve the user interface of OpenOffice. So far the prototypes of the project are frequently seen as similar to the ribbon interface. Obviously, the use and customization of any software is a personal experience. However, if the use of the "ribbon" is beyond your abilities, and I am assuming that you are aware that the "ribbon" can be hidden, modified and that there are many "add-ons" available that can be used to manage it, then so be it. I would rather work with an application with a minor annoyance, and I do not find the "ribbon" to be one, then to use a less robust application. Again, it is up to the end user to ascertain their requirements and find the tool that is best fitted to that job. In any case, I am quite confident that your condemnation of the "ribbon" is totally based on your reading of Slashdot and other similar documents and not from any personal experience. -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ Knights are hardly worth it. I mean, all that shell and so little meat... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 14:21:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC4E41065673 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:21:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C5B8FC08 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:21:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-143-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.143.131]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73ED03C90A; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 15:21:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p1DELb8i010168; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 15:21:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 15:21:34 +0100 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Message-Id: <20110213152134.2309d94d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110213085805.72f0132d@scorpio> References: <4D550415.8060105@ifdnrg.com> <20110211185738.GB45708@guilt.hydra> <4D56799D.13036.2335C99A@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> <20110213131051.00001ebf@unknown> <20110213085805.72f0132d@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jerry Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:21:40 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:58:05 -0500, Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:10:51 +0000 > Bruce Cran articulated: > > > On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:38:01 -0500 > > Jerry wrote: > > > > > Despite all of the rubbish the FOSS community > > > has spewed for over 10 years, OpenOffice is nothing more than a poor > > > clone of Office 97. The newly released "libreoffice" might be usable > > > someday; however, it is now only in its infancy. There is no way it > > > can be compared to a full blown MS Office 10 suite. > > > > For some, Office is unusable due to the new Ribbon interface and > > libreoffice is the usable office suite due to its familiar menus. > > New, as in four years old? That is one of the worst straw man arguments > I have heard in a while. You're refering to when the UI has been issued as being "new". I'm refering to how users recept it TODAY. In many business settings, you won't see any of the "new" stuff MICROS~1 has to offer. This "Windows XP" is still VERY present, and a common office application is the predecessor with the traditional menues. Many user complain about the Ribbon and refuse to use it, as they had a hard time learning menues (and the changes within them from program version to program version). And now something "new"... that's too complicated. That's why I was using "new" as this kind of nonfamiliar interface is considered new TO THEM. > In any case, In 2008 OpenOffice.org started > the project Renaissance to improve the user interface of OpenOffice. So > far the prototypes of the project are frequently seen as similar to the > ribbon interface. Providing the TRY of "the same" is often inferior to providing "better". But users do not want "better", they want "the same" as they prefer consistency in usage, implying that nothing new has to be learned. > Obviously, the use and customization of any software is a personal > experience. However, if the use of the "ribbon" is beyond your > abilities, [...] Preferences. Abilities have nothing to do with it, except we are talking about niche users (who are out of scope anyway), such as blind users who could read menu text through a Braille readout, but can't identify images (without any text) by that means, which implies that a pictural interface which is contextually changing is absolutely unusable for them. > [...] and I am assuming that you are aware that the "ribbon" can > be hidden, modified and that there are many "add-ons" available that > can be used to manage it, then so be it. I'm not using any MICROS~1 stuff at all, so my experience can be seen as limited. > I would rather work with an > application with a minor annoyance, and I do not find the "ribbon" to be > one, then to use a less robust application. I don't think robustness is important for end users in the home sector, as "bleeding edge" is preferred. Robustness is very important for corporate users. > Again, it is up to the end > user to ascertain their requirements and find the tool that is best > fitted to that job. No. End users do not try or find anything, or make judged considerations. They use whatever comes preinstalled, or they use what they know from their work place (traditionally by obtaining a pirated copy of whatever it is). > In any case, I am quite confident that your condemnation of the > "ribbon" is totally based on your reading of Slashdot and other similar > documents and not from any personal experience. I have never read anything on Slashdot, sorry. Should I? :-) My personal experience is limited in helping users who come from a "menu background" and feel that the constant re-learning a contextually changing interface that is based upon pictural elements instead of WORDS is limiting their productivity. This was the chance for me to try to use the Ribbon interface, and I didn't feel it is THAT BAD. There are, however, applications where this kind of interface, if consistently used, would be a benefit for the user. I suggest you have a look at this: http://toastytech.com/guis/win72.html It's part of the "Windows 7" article of the "GUI Gallery" and contains a very nice summary of user perception of the Ribbon, NOT in relation to MICROS~1's office programs in this case. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 14:49:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6ED106566B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:49:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (unknown [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE42E8FC0C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:49:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277EBE8333; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:49:02 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cran.org.uk; h=date:from :to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mail; bh=2XO8HFkFTpdE ah543zmKoC/Rnsw=; b=TRMbE4eedmKideTmecSpIYfWIlmP7fTF+h+niWwngsEJ uetKCjTZsAP5bs5Cnik5pdSu4hdbgUsTLcNR/0Alte7it9hhz/SG4Hy3qs575Skm gQX63xmmqxAajDfrE0NZ/IHseNQjhhNCByTI1RxkC7zeGG0GqM5dUK2Crlo0+Fs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cran.org.uk; h=date:from:to :cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=mail; b=I/TQaY iIpq/PTvvLSkrWYXT/b8jDWHlzI9wfrlhGSbfwZ8HZ6zyiE4elL+eLLodQyU1MnT eBOGgeqe6fKDDP7UTiTAqEl8oy+hk3qVEpZisYBeVqthfPPajrKLywNEr5DxGk+Y 2wewiQdKGqa2d0Bj7/4kHZwBuJfO6onL0Ep/M= Received: from unknown (client-86-31-165-87.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com [86.31.165.87]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D3EE8E8329; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:49:01 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:48:58 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110213144858.000055dc@unknown> In-Reply-To: <20110213085805.72f0132d@scorpio> References: <4D550415.8060105@ifdnrg.com> <20110211185738.GB45708@guilt.hydra> <4D56799D.13036.2335C99A@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> <20110213131051.00001ebf@unknown> <20110213085805.72f0132d@scorpio> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8cvs9 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd.user@seibercom.net Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:49:09 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:58:05 -0500 Jerry wrote: > New, as in four years old? That is one of the worst straw man > arguments I have heard in a while. In any case, In 2008 > OpenOffice.org started the project Renaissance to improve the user > interface of OpenOffice. So far the prototypes of the project are > frequently seen as similar to the ribbon interface. > > Obviously, the use and customization of any software is a personal > experience. However, if the use of the "ribbon" is beyond your > abilities, and I am assuming that you are aware that the "ribbon" can > be hidden, modified and that there are many "add-ons" available that > can be used to manage it, then so be it. I would rather work with an > application with a minor annoyance, and I do not find the "ribbon" to > be one, then to use a less robust application. Again, it is up to the > end user to ascertain their requirements and find the tool that is > best fitted to that job. > > In any case, I am quite confident that your condemnation of the > "ribbon" is totally based on your reading of Slashdot and other > similar documents and not from any personal experience. Obviously I'm not talking about myself having problems with it since I've used all sorts of different UIs over the years and can learn new interfaces quickly. You seem to be forgetting that most people don't upgrade very frequently: I wouldn't be surprised if lots were still running Office 2000. I worked in an R&D environment and even there people were steadfastly ignoring Vista and even 64-bit Windows even 3 years after it was released - I had to keep running 32-bit XP. The problem is that less technically-literate people have problems with _certain_ operations which were simple in the past - printing for example now takes several clicks during which the screen changes each time. For people who get confused when icons move on the screen the context-sensitive nature of it can be rather difficult to learn. With large screens and people who don't have the baggage of expecting things to work a certain way I do think Ribbon is better: for example I recently started using Access 2010 and found it rather easy to find how to do things like exporting to SQL Server 2008, which would previously have been buried. Also, the way traditional sub-menus work in Windows is really awful for people who don't have accurate mouse skills - move the mouse outside the menu and it disappears. The Ribbon solves this problem. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 16:51:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067CF106564A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:51:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remegius@comcast.net) Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30838FC1A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:51:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.87]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7Uko1g0051smiN4A4UrKam; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:51:19 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([67.180.204.190]) by omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7UrJ1g00b46zqiB8gUrJCh; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:51:19 +0000 Message-ID: <4D580C00.6060902@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:51:12 -0800 From: Rem Roberti User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Stuck X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:51:20 -0000 This is a new one for me. I decided to do a manual update on my 8.1 box, starting with csup. Buildworld went fine, as did buildkernel. However, when I tried to install the new kernel installkernel choked with an error message telling me that it could not proceed because the root partition was full. What! I did a df and sure enough the root partition was overloaded. When I installed the system I used sysinstalls recommended sizes for the root partion, which is around 10G. Anyway, when I rebooted, the system rebooted into single user mode, and that is presently where I stand. I have no idea how to proceed at this point, and would appreciate any help in fixing this. Of course, I smell a newbie type error in all of this, but haven't quite figured out where I went wrong. Cheers... Rem From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 16:53:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A866106564A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:53:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 03A208FC17 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:53:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 11770 invoked by uid 0); 13 Feb 2011 16:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2011 16:53:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=MQMm6N4FCQvQ0daInfuo295dVFC24SO7iYVY58qWfcXjjYZKg3aDnHL365OWTgQ6liAWho4utZKHDsgvAjaZBx07vbtPaAWVGoIGFUOoptMk/qLSaPARm89P2yHGIvXj; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PofCB-0007Yj-3N for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:53:12 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:42:54 -0700 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:42:54 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110213164254.GA60459@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <4D550415.8060105@ifdnrg.com> <20110211185738.GB45708@guilt.hydra> <4D56799D.13036.2335C99A@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:53:14 -0000 --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 07:38:01AM -0500, Jerry wrote: >=20 > "Bloat" is a purely subjective term. What one user considers bloat > could very well be a requirement for another use. For example, while > you might consider it bloat to have drivers for modern wireless "N" > protocol cards, many other users have a real need for them. If one OS has about a gigabyte installed size and another more like fifteen to twenty, and both are suitable to accomplishing everyday tasks for a given user, the latter is bloated. It doesn't matter if your favorite 5% of the latter system is different from mine, and we consider different parts of the system "bloat", it's still bloated to both of us. This is why good design concepts like "modularity" are . . . good design concepts. Well, it's *one* reason, among many. Shame Microsoft never caught on to that concept. >=20 > I have four PC present working in my home. Three are FreeBSD machines > and one a Win7 one. The Windows machine is essential, if for no other > reason than there is software that is just not available on a FreeBSD > platform. Or if it is available, it is of very poor quality. You use what you need. I get that. I never disputed it. On the other hand, needing something because of a particular couple of requirements does not mean it's well designed. > > MS Office is a perfect example. Despite all of the rubbish the FOSS > community has spewed for over 10 years, OpenOffice is nothing more than > a poor clone of Office 97. The newly released "libreoffice" might be > usable someday; however, it is now only in its infancy. There is no way > it can be compared to a full blown MS Office 10 suite. OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice offer functionality MS Office does not, just as MS Office offers functionality they do not. Different people have different needs, and those office suites serve slightly different needs. On the other hand, OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice encompass more MS Office functionality than MS Office does of OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice functionality. Since it became a household term (at least in the open source community), for instance, OpenOffice.org has supported a wider range of MS Office documents than MS Office, thanks to the fact that despite its much-ballyhooed adherence to "backwards compatibility", MS Office has tended to (intentionally?) break file format compatibility between release versions. Of course, office suites are collectively steaming garbage anyway. > > Until the FOSS can write applications that are not only compatible > with, but as fully functional as MS Office and similar software, as > well as provide drivers in a timely manner (and I am still waiting for > Java to be updated to the latest version so that it will work with the > FreeBSD version of Firefox, or for acroread9 to actually work and play > well with others, etc), Microsoft will always be a requirement for many > end users. When your criteria for success are "identical to someone else's software", you're just creating a rigged game, where the "someone else" is the only possible winner -- because its efforts are in your eyes the standard of excellence no matter what its efforts produce, and everyone else just has to play catch-up. It has nothing to do with actual quality, usefulness, or productivity. It's funny you are complaining about open source developers not doing a good job by pointing out that closed source developers aren't doing their jobs, by the way. You are aware that both components of the complete Java system and Adobe's PDF reader are both closed source software -- right? >=20 > This is in no way a condemnation of FreeBSD, or any other open-source > product. =2E . . aside from the part where you blame open source developers for all the ills of the world above. Okay, so I exaggerate -- but you seem to be trolling rather than making a salient point. > > It is just a simple statement of fact. The majority of users, despite > what they may publicly proclaim, want software and hardware that just > works. I had installed an older nVidia GeForce GT 220 card in an older > PC and then discovered that there was no sound being emitted by the > machine. Wasting valuable time, I finally discovered that I had to > modify the "sysctl.conf" file. Crap like that should just not happen. I agree that there should be ways to handle such things without forcing minimally competent computer users to search documentation for information about how to use sysctl to make sound work. Sane defaults and reasonable levels of autoconfiguration, at least as *options*, are good things. On the other hand, I wish I had the option of searching documentation and using a simple tool like sysctl to make graphics work on an MS Windows system a few years back. Instead, I ended up having to just use a different 3D graphics adapter because the one I had refused to work properly on a given motherboard with MS Windows. I later discovered the same hardware setup worked fine with Debian. There's no use pretending MS Windows never has issues with the efficacy of its autoconfiguration. Most of us have used that OS quite a lot, and know that problems arise -- and that, unlike with open source OSes, it's actually fairly common to have no recourse at all when something does not work. > > Things should just work. If other OS's can accomplish that feat, there > is no reasonable reason that FreeBSD cannot attain that level of > usability either, unless its goal is to remain nothing more than a > hobbyist's toy. Things should not randomly stop working either. If FreeBSD can manage that level of sanity, in the aggregate, there's no reason MS Windows should not be able to accomplish the same feat -- except, of course, for bad design. >=20 > For the record, I have never played "Guild Wars", although there are > many fine games available that are not available on the FreeBSD > platform. And no, I am not going to blame the authors of said software > for that since they have an absolute right, well maybe not according to > the EC aka ECUSSR, but in a normal and free business climate to write > and publish software in whatever OS language they desire.=20 Of course, they have a right to do so. I wasn't even blaming them. I was just pointing out that, because my needs are more productive and less entertainment-oriented, there might be some difference in how I comparatively judge the quality of OSes. On the other hand, I have a FreeBSD laptop with Neverwinter Nights on it, and until she got tired of it my girlfriend had a Debian laptop with World of Warcraft on it, and we both use our respective systems to watch TV shows on Hulu from time to time. Neither of us has played computer games much lately, but there's some evidence to suggest that even for time-wasting purposes our open source operating systems can serve admirably -- even achieving better frame rates for the games we've played than equivalent systems running MS Windows. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1YCg4ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUC7ACg1arxcgo8OyB4EQhC4+33ejTb 0FAAnRID+ZqNo4GFeUIAbWAhITdPPbSR =kY6o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 16:57:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB81106566B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:57:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571488FC15 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:57:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb26 with SMTP id 26so4091139iyb.13 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:57:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=KBT77WDw1tAdlC02Wkx0Nz8RG4ifabtmBpsjfa9MAqs=; b=MKFxlurTMXl63yY5IVOBeC38MXHr3xzcxP3n+SRH7o4SFwlMs0JrtYPWXrFG5yd+5b 4r1d6UL6w/kNToAwRzNPp+FCorv6l59D+A4mLyk/FQLjBPgjT5PndrVho5QexmWR2Sy9 5CcPh5gGX/KUErTzAV8ZsVZJ7x0EfLf/uAKeQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ZoZ4B+rxDNjKxlMZCharuUCDlx6TUyITwZSU+jp99VY8SZlri0RxFE4gVPeA2EvD6O 8GqfjLyAJL7B+gO1W9SmfGcWZQEvUEHFaP0k2ggddVLSqAdrlDIJlmTjfKpICfIwn+fm IiI5bTDJPGFBtz50nWAwnTG4gqcR+oOwAD0wo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.176.9 with SMTP id bc9mr2352829icb.64.1297616269419; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:57:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.177.74 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:57:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110213164254.GA60459@guilt.hydra> References: <4D550415.8060105@ifdnrg.com> <20110211185738.GB45708@guilt.hydra> <4D56799D.13036.2335C99A@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> <20110213164254.GA60459@guilt.hydra> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:57:49 -0700 Message-ID: From: Modulok To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:57:50 -0000 So... how about those solid state drives... yup. -Modulok- On 2/13/11, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 07:38:01AM -0500, Jerry wrote: >> >> "Bloat" is a purely subjective term. What one user considers bloat >> could very well be a requirement for another use. For example, while >> you might consider it bloat to have drivers for modern wireless "N" >> protocol cards, many other users have a real need for them. > > If one OS has about a gigabyte installed size and another more like > fifteen to twenty, and both are suitable to accomplishing everyday tasks > for a given user, the latter is bloated. It doesn't matter if your > favorite 5% of the latter system is different from mine, and we consider > different parts of the system "bloat", it's still bloated to both of us. > This is why good design concepts like "modularity" are . . . good design > concepts. > > Well, it's *one* reason, among many. > > Shame Microsoft never caught on to that concept. > > >> >> I have four PC present working in my home. Three are FreeBSD machines >> and one a Win7 one. The Windows machine is essential, if for no other >> reason than there is software that is just not available on a FreeBSD >> platform. Or if it is available, it is of very poor quality. > > You use what you need. I get that. I never disputed it. On the other > hand, needing something because of a particular couple of requirements > does not mean it's well designed. > > >> >> MS Office is a perfect example. Despite all of the rubbish the FOSS >> community has spewed for over 10 years, OpenOffice is nothing more than >> a poor clone of Office 97. The newly released "libreoffice" might be >> usable someday; however, it is now only in its infancy. There is no way >> it can be compared to a full blown MS Office 10 suite. > > OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice offer functionality MS Office does not, > just as MS Office offers functionality they do not. Different people > have different needs, and those office suites serve slightly different > needs. On the other hand, OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice encompass more > MS Office functionality than MS Office does of OpenOffice.org and > LibreOffice functionality. Since it became a household term (at least in > the open source community), for instance, OpenOffice.org has supported a > wider range of MS Office documents than MS Office, thanks to the fact > that despite its much-ballyhooed adherence to "backwards compatibility", > MS Office has tended to (intentionally?) break file format compatibility > between release versions. > > Of course, office suites are collectively steaming garbage anyway. > > >> >> Until the FOSS can write applications that are not only compatible >> with, but as fully functional as MS Office and similar software, as >> well as provide drivers in a timely manner (and I am still waiting for >> Java to be updated to the latest version so that it will work with the >> FreeBSD version of Firefox, or for acroread9 to actually work and play >> well with others, etc), Microsoft will always be a requirement for many >> end users. > > When your criteria for success are "identical to someone else's > software", you're just creating a rigged game, where the "someone else" > is the only possible winner -- because its efforts are in your eyes the > standard of excellence no matter what its efforts produce, and everyone > else just has to play catch-up. It has nothing to do with actual > quality, usefulness, or productivity. > > It's funny you are complaining about open source developers not doing a > good job by pointing out that closed source developers aren't doing their > jobs, by the way. You are aware that both components of the complete > Java system and Adobe's PDF reader are both closed source software -- > right? > > >> >> This is in no way a condemnation of FreeBSD, or any other open-source >> product. > > . . . aside from the part where you blame open source developers for all > the ills of the world above. Okay, so I exaggerate -- but you seem to be > trolling rather than making a salient point. > > >> >> It is just a simple statement of fact. The majority of users, despite >> what they may publicly proclaim, want software and hardware that just >> works. I had installed an older nVidia GeForce GT 220 card in an older >> PC and then discovered that there was no sound being emitted by the >> machine. Wasting valuable time, I finally discovered that I had to >> modify the "sysctl.conf" file. Crap like that should just not happen. > > I agree that there should be ways to handle such things without forcing > minimally competent computer users to search documentation for > information about how to use sysctl to make sound work. Sane defaults > and reasonable levels of autoconfiguration, at least as *options*, are > good things. > > On the other hand, I wish I had the option of searching documentation and > using a simple tool like sysctl to make graphics work on an MS Windows > system a few years back. Instead, I ended up having to just use a > different 3D graphics adapter because the one I had refused to work > properly on a given motherboard with MS Windows. I later discovered the > same hardware setup worked fine with Debian. > > There's no use pretending MS Windows never has issues with the efficacy > of its autoconfiguration. Most of us have used that OS quite a lot, and > know that problems arise -- and that, unlike with open source OSes, it's > actually fairly common to have no recourse at all when something does not > work. > > >> >> Things should just work. If other OS's can accomplish that feat, there >> is no reasonable reason that FreeBSD cannot attain that level of >> usability either, unless its goal is to remain nothing more than a >> hobbyist's toy. > > Things should not randomly stop working either. If FreeBSD can manage > that level of sanity, in the aggregate, there's no reason MS Windows > should not be able to accomplish the same feat -- except, of course, for > bad design. > > >> >> For the record, I have never played "Guild Wars", although there are >> many fine games available that are not available on the FreeBSD >> platform. And no, I am not going to blame the authors of said software >> for that since they have an absolute right, well maybe not according to >> the EC aka ECUSSR, but in a normal and free business climate to write >> and publish software in whatever OS language they desire. > > Of course, they have a right to do so. I wasn't even blaming them. > > I was just pointing out that, because my needs are more productive and > less entertainment-oriented, there might be some difference in how I > comparatively judge the quality of OSes. > > On the other hand, I have a FreeBSD laptop with Neverwinter Nights on it, > and until she got tired of it my girlfriend had a Debian laptop with > World of Warcraft on it, and we both use our respective systems to watch > TV shows on Hulu from time to time. Neither of us has played computer > games much lately, but there's some evidence to suggest that even for > time-wasting purposes our open source operating systems can serve > admirably -- even achieving better frame rates for the games we've played > than equivalent systems running MS Windows. > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 16:58:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91644106564A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:58:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 554928FC14 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:58:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 10559 invoked by uid 0); 13 Feb 2011 16:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2011 16:58:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=GAVCk5p1IgXwFDJb63hzCO0DUAwEonIxqoXPllQM+kewLqVh4TMsln+nBxPh+vX0I2r7DZ5NrxL0hqFPLHmFsp2jXxBxoMxaaXcPFczNsxyJaQJHHsZ60QUb8rkgsub4; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PofGu-0005qA-LM for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:58:05 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:47:48 -0700 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:47:48 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110213164748.GB60459@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <4D56799D.13036.2335C99A@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> <20110213131051.00001ebf@unknown> <20110213085805.72f0132d@scorpio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110213085805.72f0132d@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:58:06 -0000 --zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 08:58:05AM -0500, Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:10:51 +0000 > Bruce Cran articulated: >=20 > > On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:38:01 -0500 > > Jerry wrote: > >=20 > > > Despite all of the rubbish the FOSS community > > > has spewed for over 10 years, OpenOffice is nothing more than a poor > > > clone of Office 97. The newly released "libreoffice" might be usable > > > someday; however, it is now only in its infancy. There is no way it > > > can be compared to a full blown MS Office 10 suite. > >=20 > > For some, Office is unusable due to the new Ribbon interface and > > libreoffice is the usable office suite due to its familiar menus. >=20 > New, as in four years old? That is one of the worst straw man arguments > I have heard in a while. In any case, In 2008 OpenOffice.org started > the project Renaissance to improve the user interface of OpenOffice. So > far the prototypes of the project are frequently seen as similar to the > ribbon interface. I do not think you understand the term "straw man" as used in reference to a logical fallacy. A straw man fallacy involves using a distraction in place of a valid argument, supplanting someone else's argument with this distraction, attributing it to that other person for the sake of attacking it rather than the argument that other person actually made. How, exactly, does the comment about the ribbon fit that definition at all? >=20 > Obviously, the use and customization of any software is a personal > experience. However, if the use of the "ribbon" is beyond your > abilities, and I am assuming that you are aware that the "ribbon" can > be hidden, modified and that there are many "add-ons" available that > can be used to manage it, then so be it. I would rather work with an > application with a minor annoyance, and I do not find the "ribbon" to be > one, then to use a less robust application. Again, it is up to the end > user to ascertain their requirements and find the tool that is best > fitted to that job. "Beyond your abilities" is a better example of a straw man fallacy, since I don't think anyone here said "Use of the ribbon is beyond my abilities," or anything even remotely equivalent to that. >=20 > In any case, I am quite confident that your condemnation of the > "ribbon" is totally based on your reading of Slashdot and other similar > documents and not from any personal experience. Interfaces that change without a consistent use model being presented to the user -- as is the case with all but the most basic, unsophisticated users who are presented with the ribbon -- have long been recognized as a failure of usability design, and for good reason. This is why the words "consisten navigation" are so important in Web design circles. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1YCzQACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXz9gCgxjplSbOScKqsnzLAlAxptuqJ AqsAnA/J7RNDznWhy5b6tE+9jrWHe3oc =jnG7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 17:02:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597F1106566C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:02:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31EC8FC1C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.37]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 13 Feb 2011 12:02:44 -0500 Received: from mx04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (mx04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.54]) by mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.1.9-GA) with ESMTP id ASQ67704; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:01:45 -0500 Received: from 209-6-91-204.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.91.204]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 13 Feb 2011 12:01:45 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19800.3705.156052.864114@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:01:45 -0500 To: Rem Roberti In-Reply-To: <4D580C00.6060902@comcast.net> References: <4D580C00.6060902@comcast.net> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Stuck X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:02:46 -0000 Rem Roberti writes: > This is a new one for me. I decided to do a manual update on my > 8.1 box, starting with csup. Buildworld went fine, as did > buildkernel. However, when I tried to install the new kernel > installkernel choked with an error message telling me that it > could not proceed because the root partition was full. What! I > did a df and sure enough the root partition was overloaded. When > I installed the system I used sysinstalls recommended sizes for > the root partion, which is around 10G. Anyway, when I rebooted, > the system rebooted into single user mode, and that is presently > where I stand. I have no idea how to proceed at this point, and > would appreciate any help in fixing this. Of course, I smell a > newbie type error in all of this, but haven't quite figured out > where I went wrong. Start with this: du -x / | sort -nr | head -n 30 This will give you the largest directories; if any of them don't look right - investigate further. (For comparison: the root directory on this machine is 2 gbytes, of which I use 1.1. 10 gbytes is a lot of space.) Respectfully, Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 17:06:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 529B9106566B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:06:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from max@mxcrypt.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E74B8FC12 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:06:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so2530412vws.13 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:06:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.194.1 with SMTP id dw1mr3716473vcb.179.1297616781993; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:06:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.77.85 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:05:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110213164748.GB60459@guilt.hydra> References: <4D56799D.13036.2335C99A@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> <20110213131051.00001ebf@unknown> <20110213085805.72f0132d@scorpio> <20110213164748.GB60459@guilt.hydra> From: Maxim Khitrov Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:05:51 -0500 Message-ID: To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:06:23 -0000 On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 08:58:05AM -0500, Jerry wrote: >> On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:10:51 +0000 >> Bruce Cran articulated: >> >> > On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:38:01 -0500 >> > Jerry wrote: >> > >> > > Despite all of the rubbish the FOSS community >> > > has spewed for over 10 years, OpenOffice is nothing more than a poor >> > > clone of Office 97. The newly released "libreoffice" might be usable >> > > someday; however, it is now only in its infancy. There is no way it >> > > can be compared to a full blown MS Office 10 suite. >> > >> > For some, Office is unusable due to the new Ribbon interface and >> > libreoffice is the usable office suite due to its familiar menus. >> >> New, as in four years old? That is one of the worst straw man arguments >> I have heard in a while. In any case, In 2008 OpenOffice.org started >> the project Renaissance to improve the user interface of OpenOffice. So >> far the prototypes of the project are frequently seen as similar to the >> ribbon interface. > > I do not think you understand the term "straw man" as used in reference > to a logical fallacy. =C2=A0A straw man fallacy involves using a distract= ion > in place of a valid argument, supplanting someone else's argument with > this distraction, attributing it to that other person for the sake of > attacking it rather than the argument that other person actually made. > How, exactly, does the comment about the ribbon fit that definition at > all? > > >> >> Obviously, the use and customization of any software is a personal >> experience. However, if the use of the "ribbon" is beyond your >> abilities, and I am assuming that you are aware that the "ribbon" can >> be hidden, modified and that there are many "add-ons" available that >> can be used to manage it, then so be it. I would rather work with an >> application with a minor annoyance, and I do not find the "ribbon" to be >> one, then to use a less robust application. Again, it is up to the end >> user to ascertain their requirements and find the tool that is best >> fitted to that job. > > "Beyond your abilities" is a better example of a straw man fallacy, since > I don't think anyone here said "Use of the ribbon is beyond my > abilities," or anything even remotely equivalent to that. > > >> >> In any case, I am quite confident that your condemnation of the >> "ribbon" is totally based on your reading of Slashdot and other similar >> documents and not from any personal experience. > > Interfaces that change without a consistent use model being presented to > the user -- as is the case with all but the most basic, unsophisticated > users who are presented with the ribbon -- have long been recognized as a > failure of usability design, and for good reason. =C2=A0This is why the w= ords > "consisten navigation" are so important in Web design circles. > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Can you guys please take Microsoft bashing elsewhere? This thread is about FreeBSD and SSDs - a topic I'd like to hear more about from people with first-hand experience in running such setup. - Max From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 17:06:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41A510656A5 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:06:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F388FC29 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:06:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so4607903bwz.13 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:06:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FzOQZ/4iQme3sP267ZSF40kfZn3Jdpt1zT3Yw618EhQ=; b=lsekactFckXdwBYgDQBn0bRieaQWHnHLWusdctWHhGSuTjejug3q2dxICSi8QIQJtQ PlhwGxrYWW4dMgPRLktVe6KrvEU5mzAGhGUHejvUy+1eY+dNM9gsyS2y2k/1nIF6TxVF EiEm4RDQYuqVf1XwpBoXeLOHTJZX9h3n7JGpE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=F1vwC13gTwUUbMcZ8fsegT/8iPVNrnNLcsU63uLe7yBHatpQ54eHYzux0KiMjKNg3X A2uqwidkX8i7JBzuhV0QL7bznFy56s2ee4T4NHSTfRLB88mRAyH5nshV3a/SuB3fXZGf FbUMZ+/g7eaNkUkyeYYAd3zS285XUGGw01Hyw= Received: by 10.204.59.129 with SMTP id l1mr2568430bkh.88.1297616810012; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:06:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.76.18 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:06:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D580C00.6060902@comcast.net> References: <4D580C00.6060902@comcast.net> From: Chris Rees Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:06:19 +0000 Message-ID: To: Rem Roberti Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Stuck X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:06:51 -0000 On 13 February 2011 16:51, Rem Roberti wrote: > This is a new one for me. =A0I decided to do a manual update on my 8.1 bo= x, > starting with csup. =A0Buildworld went fine, as did buildkernel. =A0Howev= er, > when I tried to install the new kernel installkernel choked with an error > message telling me that it could not proceed because the root partition w= as > full. =A0What! =A0I did a df and sure enough the root partition was overl= oaded. > =A0When I installed the system I used sysinstalls recommended sizes for t= he > root partion, which is around 10G. =A0Anyway, when I rebooted, the system > rebooted into single user mode, and that is presently where I stand. =A0I= have > no idea how to proceed at this point, and would appreciate any help in > fixing this. =A0Of course, I smell a newbie type error in all of this, bu= t > haven't quite figured out where I went wrong. To fix your booting, I suggest that you check that /boot/kernel.old exists: # [ -d /boot/kernel ] && echo Yes! If this doesn't say Yes! then stop, and wait for someone to help you out a little more. If it does: # /bin/mv /boot/kernel /boot/kernel.faulty # /bin/mv /boot/kernel.old /boot/kernel # reboot That should get you back up until you can fix your other problems! Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 17:07:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EEE41065695 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:07:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D503F8FC08 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-143-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.143.131]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0E43CB69; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:07:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p1DH7QGq017480; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:07:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:07:26 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Rem Roberti Message-Id: <20110213180726.03839bb2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4D580C00.6060902@comcast.net> References: <4D580C00.6060902@comcast.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Stuck X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:07:29 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:51:12 -0800, Rem Roberti wrote: > This is a new one for me. I decided to do a manual update on my 8.1 > box, starting with csup. Buildworld went fine, as did buildkernel. > However, when I tried to install the new kernel installkernel choked > with an error message telling me that it could not proceed because the > root partition was full. What! I did a df and sure enough the root > partition was overloaded. When I installed the system I used > sysinstalls recommended sizes for the root partion, which is around > 10G. Where is it advised to make / 10 GB? Do you have any other functional parts that get their own partition traditionally (such as /tmp, /var, /usr) on the / partition? The installation process should not make the system bigger, as updating the system usually keeps nearly the same sizes. An exception is the kernel: Here, a backup of the previous kernel will be generated. On a partition / with 10 GB capacity and at least 1 GB free you should not run into problems. Kernel and modules should not grow bigger than that. > Anyway, when I rebooted, the system rebooted into single user > mode, and that is presently where I stand. I have no idea how to > proceed at this point, and would appreciate any help in fixing this. You could try to mount the partitions via # mount -a # exit and bring up the system in multi-user mode, if possible. You can try to make sure there is sufficient space on the / partition to repeat the system and kernel installation procedure. Make sure you read the comment section of /usr/src/Makefile which gives a very good roadmap of how to properly perform an update. > Of > course, I smell a newbie type error in all of this, but haven't quite > figured out where I went wrong. If you can provide command output. You can use the program "script" to make a copy of all terminal input/output to a file. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 17:08:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46813106564A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:08:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (unknown [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69AEF8FC0A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B844E8333; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:08:39 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cran.org.uk; h=date:from :to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mail; bh=Rh4YndmdRUIy oKt0QXpzvi/Fuog=; b=oYVG25/bZDG6iIU7xOvw83qsUmmbAB10hBx9168yHLbe LTQaipIi3npTt9Edv5Dm9yR9BMsp2mrplcMlrTc/K8OcloGbdtTlCFJfJ54G9kcU oyjKjzK1G9xlAesCIbKpxVAaGEye5c99SVjfViDOrex4aucDL/mIX7iYz+RPtKo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cran.org.uk; h=date:from:to :cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=mail; b=xLkiqz nPZ2/k3/c4J/r47wxZ/sdeQ4xAK1iUyxiSfAqx6SKUo38c2kdgDQbEbFy2aJm1tI JkoJbW1S918kJdvbNEZbogVLBEXu2lEO6tr8wPv9Pa2nZpY5pETFmS1+3ad5pmnZ x1UQpLDa7nB2ecz41Qa6bnqA2Szks2GtZXXuY= Received: from unknown (client-86-31-165-87.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com [86.31.165.87]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 23AB6E8329; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:08:39 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:08:36 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: Chad Perrin Message-ID: <20110213170836.000072ad@unknown> In-Reply-To: <20110213164254.GA60459@guilt.hydra> References: <4D550415.8060105@ifdnrg.com> <20110211185738.GB45708@guilt.hydra> <4D56799D.13036.2335C99A@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> <20110213164254.GA60459@guilt.hydra> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8cvs9 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:08:45 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:42:54 -0700 Chad Perrin wrote: > There's no use pretending MS Windows never has issues with the > efficacy of its autoconfiguration. Most of us have used that OS > quite a lot, and know that problems arise -- and that, unlike with > open source OSes, it's actually fairly common to have no recourse at > all when something does not work. A good example is the need to edit the registry to improve network performance - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/321098 . Another is that in order to disable auto-run you need to know to type "gpedit.msc" in the "Run" window to load the Group Policy Editor and navigate to the settings. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 17:42:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1807E106564A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:42:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from redcondor1.peak.org (redcondor1.peak.org [69.59.192.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19628FC13 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from peak-mail-gateway.peak.org ([69.59.192.41]) by redcondor1.peak.org ({e03e86cd-14ae-47ce-9578-3c080ce9c462}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20110213174231475 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:42:31 +0000 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from oak.localnet (207.55.91.159.peak.org [207.55.91.159] (may be forged)) by peak-mail-gateway.peak.org (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id p1DHgV0p064126 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:42:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from oak.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oak.localnet (Postfix) with ESMTP id B187DC46E for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:42:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from carlj@localhost) by oak.localnet (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p1DHgU50078290; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:42:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) X-Authentication-Warning: oak.localnet: carlj set sender to carlj@peak.org using -f From: Carl Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:42:30 -0800 In-Reply-To: (Odhiambo Washington's message of "Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:12:05 +0300") Message-ID: <87k4h3esqh.fsf@oak.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Debian GNU/kFreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:42:32 -0000 Odhiambo Washington writes: > My question is: WHY need 7 DVDs??? DVDs?? Even M$ does not do such a crazy > thing with its bloat-ware!! FreeBSD ships 1 DVD. > What is it that this Debian GNU/kFreeBSD ships in those 7 DVDs? They contain all packages for that architecture. They are the equivalent of the binary packages for the entire FreeBSD ports tree. You don't need them if you install over the net. -- Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 17:53:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B243410656C0 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:53:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remegius@comcast.net) Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F4588FC16 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:53:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7Vrf1g0030FhH24A7VtaVi; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:53:34 +0000 Received: from lappy.bsd ([67.180.204.190]) by omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7VtW1g00146zqiB8UVtXcS; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:53:33 +0000 Message-ID: <4D582895.7090300@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:53:09 -0800 From: Rem P Roberti User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110202 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Huff References: <4D580C00.6060902@comcast.net> <19800.3705.156052.864114@jerusalem.litteratus.org> In-Reply-To: <19800.3705.156052.864114@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Stuck X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:53:34 -0000 On 02/13/11 09:01, Robert Huff wrote: > Rem Roberti writes: > >> This is a new one for me. I decided to do a manual update on my >> 8.1 box, starting with csup. Buildworld went fine, as did >> buildkernel. However, when I tried to install the new kernel >> installkernel choked with an error message telling me that it >> could not proceed because the root partition was full. What! I >> did a df and sure enough the root partition was overloaded. When >> I installed the system I used sysinstalls recommended sizes for >> the root partion, which is around 10G. Anyway, when I rebooted, >> the system rebooted into single user mode, and that is presently >> where I stand. I have no idea how to proceed at this point, and >> would appreciate any help in fixing this. Of course, I smell a >> newbie type error in all of this, but haven't quite figured out >> where I went wrong. > Start with this: > > du -x / | sort -nr | head -n 30 > > This will give you the largest directories; if any of them > don't look right - investigate further. > (For comparison: the root directory on this machine is 2 > gbytes, of which I use 1.1. 10 gbytes is a lot of space I completely misspoke, having confused the hard drive in question with another box. This drive is a 40G drive, of which 500MB was allotted for root. When I ran your command I noticed the /boot/kernel.old was very large, so I moved the whole thing over to my home directory, which finally allowed me to boot the computer normally. This was an intuitive move, and probably not that kosher, but it worked. But where do we go from here? Rem From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 18:01:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5726E106564A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:01:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDE1F8FC15 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:01:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16so4653551fxm.13 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:01:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=h1Cn4/mSr0oiaoLiwjcdfkcvmV3ZupoGEeXRGf2S72A=; b=lNn0kh5hfBm1SGE+fdq6SXVW9DhFyaUoWpVawSs9OF6xv5+6KlwOrK8Vj2ZzKQ/9uL V8NW53t6epTn9ye4uZTBoeCBaeAPSErpDmRdlhEt5uu9YiHhr/ZQNnXIPPQCvitPXRxB OnNPPG3QDYHiR5kREVGiGM6NWXa94xZUvm+Uo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=AIgtFpaIbX7swmssRozcQyS7zgfGY+R/fvtB7woCzIBBuH+RIvxhbZKbkrWdCgbSSB 0M1IUtIIILHTCvnNhEXnyDlX44vu3b99ZmdA888c4nQGN42uoTRh8WkCS3FAXuJG5Gg9 MuASEtQacjnVbKVoz9WhqR7j0HuNCUtbEl/6U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.101.136 with SMTP id c8mr3417764fao.100.1297620030524; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:00:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.83.15 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:00:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D582895.7090300@comcast.net> References: <4D580C00.6060902@comcast.net> <19800.3705.156052.864114@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4D582895.7090300@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:00:30 -0500 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Rem P Roberti Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Robert Huff , FreeBSD Subject: Re: Stuck X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:01:17 -0000 On 13 February 2011 13:53, Rem P Roberti wrote: > On 02/13/11 09:01, Robert Huff wrote: >> >> Rem Roberti writes: >> >>> =A0This is a new one for me. =A0I decided to do a manual update on my >>> =A08.1 box, starting with csup. =A0Buildworld went fine, as did >>> =A0buildkernel. =A0However, when I tried to install the new kernel >>> =A0installkernel choked with an error message telling me that it >>> =A0could not proceed because the root partition was full. =A0What! =A0I >>> =A0did a df and sure enough the root partition was overloaded. =A0When >>> =A0I installed the system I used sysinstalls recommended sizes for >>> =A0the root partion, which is around 10G. =A0Anyway, when I rebooted, >>> =A0the system rebooted into single user mode, and that is presently >>> =A0where I stand. =A0I have no idea how to proceed at this point, and >>> =A0would appreciate any help in fixing this. =A0Of course, I smell a >>> =A0newbie type error in all of this, but haven't quite figured out >>> =A0where I went wrong. >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Start with this: >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0du -x / | sort -nr | head -n 30 >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0This will give you the largest directories; if any of the= m >> don't look right - investigate further. >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0(For comparison: the root directory on this machine is 2 >> gbytes, of which I use 1.1. =A010 gbytes is a lot of space > > I completely misspoke, having confused the hard drive in question with > another box. This drive is a 40G drive, of which 500MB was allotted for > root. =A0When I ran your command I noticed the /boot/kernel.old was very > large, so I moved the whole thing over to my home directory, which finall= y > allowed me to boot the computer normally. =A0This was an intuitive move, = and > probably not that kosher, but it worked. =A0But where do we go from here? > Remove all the *.symbols files (if you're not going to be debugging). Build with "makeoptions DEBUG=3D-g" commented out of your kernel config. (my root filesystem has 70M used. On amd64, no less) --=20 -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 18:12:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740271065672 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:12:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (asmtp3.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9BA8FC21 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p1DICOkI008935; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:12:24 GMT Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (80-45-152-196.static.dsl.as9105.com [80.45.152.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p1DICNPd008931; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:12:23 GMT Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1EB3B33C3D; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:12:23 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:12:23 +0000 From: Frank Shute To: Maxim Khitrov Message-ID: <20110213181223.GD55168@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> <20110213131051.00001ebf@unknown> <20110213085805.72f0132d@scorpio> <20110213164748.GB60459@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sXc4Kmr5FA7axrvy" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-RC2 amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:12:27 -0000 --sXc4Kmr5FA7axrvy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:05:51PM -0500, Maxim Khitrov wrote: > >=20 > Can you guys please take Microsoft bashing elsewhere? This thread is > about FreeBSD and SSDs - a topic I'd like to hear more about from > people with first-hand experience in running such setup. >=20 > - Max Agreed. I posted my short experience of using an SSD as a workstation drive and I'd be interested in hearing the experience of any other users. Problems? Praise? Let's hear it. Have people bothered to mount /tmp as a memory drive or are they as me just using their SSDs without any messing about? Regards, --=20 Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html --sXc4Kmr5FA7axrvy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1YHwUACgkQHduKvUAgeK74gACgo5paH4nfLsT3k9C8xBjDyxXD oIMAoNOIYYaFQ1YrqDtm/NqtMIWbPk5c =usMd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sXc4Kmr5FA7axrvy-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 18:31:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E2A106566B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:31:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remegius@comcast.net) Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1BBD8FC17 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:31:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7WJd1g0051afHeLAFWXT4j; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:31:27 +0000 Received: from remegius.comcast.net ([67.180.204.190]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7WXQ1g01c46zqiB8dWXSS3; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:31:26 +0000 Message-ID: <4D58237C.8090208@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:31:24 -0800 From: Rem P Roberti User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110131 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "illoai@gmail.com" References: <4D580C00.6060902@comcast.net> <19800.3705.156052.864114@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4D582895.7090300@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Robert Huff , FreeBSD Subject: Re: Stuck X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:31:28 -0000 >>> Rem Roberti writes: >>> >>>> This is a new one for me. I decided to do a manual update on my >>>> 8.1 box, starting with csup. Buildworld went fine, as did >>>> buildkernel. However, when I tried to install the new kernel >>>> installkernel choked with an error message telling me that it >>>> could not proceed because the root partition was full. What! I >>>> did a df and sure enough the root partition was overloaded. When >>>> I installed the system I used sysinstalls recommended sizes for >>>> the root partion, which is around 10G. Anyway, when I rebooted, >>>> the system rebooted into single user mode, and that is presently >>>> where I stand. I have no idea how to proceed at this point, and >>>> would appreciate any help in fixing this. Of course, I smell a >>>> newbie type error in all of this, but haven't quite figured out >>>> where I went wrong. >>> Start with this: >>> >>> du -x / | sort -nr | head -n 30 >>> >>> This will give you the largest directories; if any of them >>> don't look right - investigate further. >>> (For comparison: the root directory on this machine is 2 >>> gbytes, of which I use 1.1. 10 gbytes is a lot of space >> I completely misspoke, having confused the hard drive in question with >> another box. This drive is a 40G drive, of which 500MB was allotted for >> root. When I ran your command I noticed the /boot/kernel.old was very >> large, so I moved the whole thing over to my home directory, which finally >> allowed me to boot the computer normally. This was an intuitive move, and >> probably not that kosher, but it worked. But where do we go from here? >> > Remove all the *.symbols files (if you're not going > to be debugging). > > Build with "makeoptions DEBUG=-g" commented out > of your kernel config. > > (my root filesystem has 70M used. On amd64, no less) > Getting rid of all those .symbols files made a big difference. Where do I locate the kernel config file? Rem From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 18:42:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF991065673 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:42:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1063C8FC13 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pogtf-0005LB-2x for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:42:12 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:42:11 -0800 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:42:11 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110213184211.GA36911@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <4D580C00.6060902@comcast.net> <19800.3705.156052.864114@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4D582895.7090300@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: Stuck X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:42:17 -0000 --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth illoai@gmail.com on Sunday, 13 February 2011: > On 13 February 2011 13:53, Rem P Roberti wrote: > > On 02/13/11 09:01, Robert Huff wrote: > >> > >> Rem Roberti writes: > >> > >>> =A0This is a new one for me. =A0I decided to do a manual update on my > >>> =A08.1 box, starting with csup. =A0Buildworld went fine, as did > >>> =A0buildkernel. =A0However, when I tried to install the new kernel > >>> =A0installkernel choked with an error message telling me that it > >>> =A0could not proceed because the root partition was full. =A0What! = =A0I > >>> =A0did a df and sure enough the root partition was overloaded. =A0When > >>> =A0I installed the system I used sysinstalls recommended sizes for > >>> =A0the root partion, which is around 10G. =A0Anyway, when I rebooted, > >>> =A0the system rebooted into single user mode, and that is presently > >>> =A0where I stand. =A0I have no idea how to proceed at this point, and > >>> =A0would appreciate any help in fixing this. =A0Of course, I smell a > >>> =A0newbie type error in all of this, but haven't quite figured out > >>> =A0where I went wrong. > >> > >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Start with this: > >> > >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0du -x / | sort -nr | head -n 30 > >> > >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0This will give you the largest directories; if any of t= hem > >> don't look right - investigate further. > >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0(For comparison: the root directory on this machine is 2 > >> gbytes, of which I use 1.1. =A010 gbytes is a lot of space > > > > I completely misspoke, having confused the hard drive in question with > > another box. This drive is a 40G drive, of which 500MB was allotted for > > root. =A0When I ran your command I noticed the /boot/kernel.old was very > > large, so I moved the whole thing over to my home directory, which fina= lly > > allowed me to boot the computer normally. =A0This was an intuitive move= , and > > probably not that kosher, but it worked. =A0But where do we go from her= e? > > >=20 > Remove all the *.symbols files (if you're not going > to be debugging). >=20 > Build with "makeoptions DEBUG=3D-g" commented out > of your kernel config. >=20 > (my root filesystem has 70M used. On amd64, no less) >=20 I have INSTALL_NODEBUG=3Dyes in my make.conf, which someone on this list advised. Apparently that still builds the symbols but doesn't install them in /boot/kernel, saving a ton of space. This will prevent you running into this same problem the next time you build. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNWCYDAAoJEIpckszW26+R/yUH/iIhV43Do6XrXcs5oACzPEL/ RfCyaSzVM+skW8VDO3DDC2Bn5bYOhUVyxnRJClXqqrO7BSlv493WyTfRFZBgRWah I/NnvrIso6S3s67v2P+wjRnp8UCjHmIwkL3nRjE2l0ueq+Yt5hfruxo/FYFLPnRo hWQT24VMGlpPGQsJB7aWdgAR2fYkIqTlSRbujvzprwO8JKjB/cX0wy4CBH/dKXx8 L+eWHLnlwwCXtei3/4eHYlrOh1hPij+JWGPo4NFCwCw7OGlsf+oNbFK7L2LSHWdo BYgWl1nX6NE7sSvOjs9eQsZiVH8dcP3isfjH1R/8oy4PuJDSpqb2o3pXIPWc1ZU= =Yj7i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 18:42:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3103D1065737 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:42:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remegius@comcast.net) Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 141D48FC1C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:42:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7WRT1g0021Y3wxoAFWidtd; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:42:37 +0000 Received: from remegius.comcast.net ([67.180.204.190]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7Wib1g01146zqiB8bWicu7; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:42:37 +0000 Message-ID: <4D58261B.5020905@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:42:35 -0800 From: Rem P Roberti User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110131 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "illoai@gmail.com" References: <4D580C00.6060902@comcast.net> <19800.3705.156052.864114@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4D582895.7090300@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Robert Huff , FreeBSD Subject: Re: Stuck X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:42:38 -0000 > Remove all the *.symbols files (if you're not going > to be debugging). > > Build with "makeoptions DEBUG=-g" commented out > of your kernel config. > > (my root filesystem has 70M used. On amd64, no less) > I knew that I asked a dumb question when I asked where to find the kernel config. OK...I commented out the section in question, and we'll see how it goes. Rem From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 18:44:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993F91065697 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:44:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5981A8FC14 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-143-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.143.131]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FEF71E50A; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:44:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p1DIiDo0017734; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:44:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:44:13 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Rem P Roberti Message-Id: <20110213194413.5d22ee7d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4D58237C.8090208@comcast.net> References: <4D580C00.6060902@comcast.net> <19800.3705.156052.864114@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4D582895.7090300@comcast.net> <4D58237C.8090208@comcast.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Stuck X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:44:16 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:31:24 -0800, Rem P Roberti wrote: > Getting rid of all those .symbols files made a big difference. Where do > I locate the kernel config file? It is /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/ or /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/ depending on your architecture; GENERIC is the name of the default kernel (which doesn't require KERNCONF= in the make commands). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 18:47:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 085F9106566B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:47:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDAFC8FC14 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:47:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-143-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.143.131]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC431E553; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:47:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p1DIlUXF017741; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:47:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:47:29 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Rem P Roberti Message-Id: <20110213194729.05a9afc5.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4D582895.7090300@comcast.net> References: <4D580C00.6060902@comcast.net> <19800.3705.156052.864114@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4D582895.7090300@comcast.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Stuck X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:47:32 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:53:09 -0800, Rem P Roberti wrote: > I completely misspoke, having confused the hard drive in question with > another box. This drive is a 40G drive, of which 500MB was allotted for > root. For a current FreeBSD system, this is a bit too small (although sufficient under certain circumstances). Making / 1G or 2G should be fully sufficient in all cases. > When I ran your command I noticed the /boot/kernel.old was very > large, so I moved the whole thing over to my home directory, which > finally allowed me to boot the computer normally. The .old file is a backup of the previous kernel, this backup is created automatically when you "make installkernel". > This was an intuitive > move, and probably not that kosher, but it worked. It simply removes the ability to boot the old kernel, which doesn't seem to be a problem here. > But where do we go > from here? Check your kernel configuration (remove symbols), maybe remove building of modules you don't need (see "man src.conf" for details), repeat the installation procedure outlined in /usr/src/Makefile (comment section at the beginning). You should then end up with a fully functional updated system. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 18:50:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37AA106566B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:50:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275A38FC15 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:50:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16so4680161fxm.13 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:50:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=N5n5Nw0JYx3xDcr1laNEqo6DIHTON0tkGkffIK5GSqI=; b=RHDCbppqYlT5zzMgfy9cUMQkd6IxBrQCBE5e0I7PiyjJ1y7T3yUc1pQgCW1SRTArnt jdAdQcaa1G7uFM4PlCbI/c9Qilexn9Dhs3p2I7A81E6Q9DUaNOhJtqHbPsg2VbH7hmUl 3+HlJyvTXS72FQGgRyPKtzmdF61qOGgmprpLk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=XLNgVka1XgeWoggUKir8SNU8ne3VZWv51mHio0Ufr4Oux8JBMcqeyHR024korIIwjx oVsdXTUYyw8DHoCtGzN+htRUH9vLKf/NQQXMHnvAA6KLNR0pK/LawFuErxCKEQa3ZnwM vkGtO9NDKNmLIgJ/N8wjeq6s3fbsn13Ts2aT0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.103.198 with SMTP id l6mr3447280fao.99.1297623003918; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:50:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.94.67 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:50:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110213181223.GD55168@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> <20110213131051.00001ebf@unknown> <20110213085805.72f0132d@scorpio> <20110213164748.GB60459@guilt.hydra> <20110213181223.GD55168@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:50:03 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Frank Shute Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Maxim Khitrov , FreeBSD Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:50:05 -0000 On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Frank Shute wrote: > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:05:51PM -0500, Maxim Khitrov wrote: > > > > > > Can you guys please take Microsoft bashing elsewhere? This thread is > > about FreeBSD and SSDs - a topic I'd like to hear more about from > > people with first-hand experience in running such setup. > > > > - Max > > Agreed. I posted my short experience of using an SSD as a workstation > drive and I'd be interested in hearing the experience of any other > users. Problems? Praise? Let's hear it. > I have two personal SSD's, one an older PATA model in my laptop and an X-25 serving as a ZIL. I have had a great experience with them, but I know the Intel doesn't properly obey cache flush requests even with updated firmware so I guess that would be my biggest problem with them. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 19:09:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA181065673 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:09:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from svein-listmail@stillbilde.net) Received: from mail.stillbilde.net (d80.iso100.no [81.175.61.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 748AA8FC0C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:09:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.12.4]) (Authenticated sender: svein-listmail) by mail.stillbilde.net (Familien Skogens mail) with ESMTPSA id 3887F7C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:09:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D582C4D.2030104@stillbilde.net> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:09:01 +0100 From: "Svein Skogen (Listmail account)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> <20110213131051.00001ebf@unknown> <20110213085805.72f0132d@scorpio> <20110213164748.GB60459@guilt.hydra> <20110213181223.GD55168@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig27ACF484C8922297F805FFA0" Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:09:09 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig27ACF484C8922297F805FFA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 13.02.2011 19:50, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Frank Shute wrot= e: >=20 >> On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:05:51PM -0500, Maxim Khitrov wrote: >>> >>> >>> Can you guys please take Microsoft bashing elsewhere? This thread is >>> about FreeBSD and SSDs - a topic I'd like to hear more about from >>> people with first-hand experience in running such setup. >>> >>> - Max >> >> Agreed. I posted my short experience of using an SSD as a workstation >> drive and I'd be interested in hearing the experience of any other >> users. Problems? Praise? Let's hear it. >> >=20 > I have two personal SSD's, one an older PATA model in my laptop and an = X-25 > serving as a ZIL. I have had a great experience with them, but I know = the > Intel doesn't properly obey cache flush requests even with updated firm= ware > so I guess that would be my biggest problem with them. I'm running two X25-m G2s myself. One in my laptop, the other in my workstation (as systems and software drives, I used spinning metal for raw storage in both). 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Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ------------------------------------------------------------ Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------enig27ACF484C8922297F805FFA0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1YLFAACgkQODUnwSLUlKSuywCgsBEIVPlGoCQFc8ADzYxT1wN9 sXMAnRsiuY+zmyPxMuYvOaxw2IhAWVMO =fc0u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig27ACF484C8922297F805FFA0-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 19:10:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79328106566B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:10:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39CEB8FC08 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:10:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PohKz-0007vx-S8 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:10:27 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:10:26 -0800 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:10:26 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110213191026.GB36911@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20110211185738.GB45708@guilt.hydra> <4D56799D.13036.2335C99A@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> <20110213164254.GA60459@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4bRzO86E/ozDv8r1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110213164254.GA60459@guilt.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:10:32 -0000 --4bRzO86E/ozDv8r1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Chad Perrin on Sunday, 13 February 2011: >=20 > OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice offer functionality MS Office does not, > just as MS Office offers functionality they do not. Different people > have different needs, and those office suites serve slightly different > needs. On the other hand, OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice encompass more > MS Office functionality than MS Office does of OpenOffice.org and > LibreOffice functionality. Since it became a household term (at least in > the open source community), for instance, OpenOffice.org has supported a > wider range of MS Office documents than MS Office, thanks to the fact > that despite its much-ballyhooed adherence to "backwards compatibility", > MS Office has tended to (intentionally?) break file format compatibility > between release versions. >=20 Hey, I just found out that libreoffice can open all those old .WRI files that MS Office no longer recognizes! Thanks for the tip! --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --4bRzO86E/ozDv8r1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNWCyhAAoJEIpckszW26+Rpk4IAKpZZJLx/nymhMGLS0o6t0Ln BO+g9g6RSMKOnLL3XwZwnXMWRQHWyBC4Xz/UTxwITu6EBstMG7l891m7pDp15CPT yNRcRdKnFFXaz5rzeoTDg/vHXUxfq25l+cRmuDzJKj5ixTkegSc93ronJ72HgGKJ L3F9E48salE5NIhr7fTMqGj6K33mxgrVVveBi8eq6MLky+0FBp+dTHrr+2TvfVgL j/WO6vBbUOHQm705wouSJa0YCSiM7/rmpHiFmZlbNjS188uImlv66JcJxTEcuPRb exCn1McpvRAbO+WULp41jJLkJCyf/G+xbRAhPVqaW084Mf5pQf4GOtfLRFONBYY= =0Klm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4bRzO86E/ozDv8r1-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 19:20:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342F5106566B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:20:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remegius@comcast.net) Received: from qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19AB18FC15 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:20:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7XLD1g0070x6nqcAAXLl7k; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:20:45 +0000 Received: from remegius.comcast.net ([67.180.204.190]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7XLj1g01346zqiB8YXLkCg; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:20:45 +0000 Message-ID: <4D582F0B.5030701@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:20:43 -0800 From: Rem P Roberti User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110131 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD References: <4D580C00.6060902@comcast.net> <19800.3705.156052.864114@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4D582895.7090300@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4D582895.7090300@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Stuck X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:20:46 -0000 I'm back in business, and the update finished without any more problems. However...the output of df is now really strange: root@ /etc: df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/label/rootfs0 507630 326732 140288 70% / devfs 1 1 0 100% /dev /dev/label/var0 1012974 173368 758570 19% /var /dev/label/usr0 33292236 9351168 21277690 31% /usr linprocfs 4 4 100% /usr/compat/linux/proc /dev/md0 789518 20 726338 0% /tmp What happened to the Filesystem labels? Rem From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 19:29:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3904106564A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:29:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62BB48FC1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:29:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PohdC-0000ss-OP for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:29:15 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:29:15 -0800 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:29:15 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110213192915.GC36911@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <4D56799D.13036.2335C99A@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> <20110213164254.GA60459@guilt.hydra> <20110213170836.000072ad@unknown> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Qbvjkv9qwOGw/5Fx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110213170836.000072ad@unknown> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:29:20 -0000 --Qbvjkv9qwOGw/5Fx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Bruce Cran on Sunday, 13 February 2011: > On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:42:54 -0700 > Chad Perrin wrote: >=20 > > There's no use pretending MS Windows never has issues with the > > efficacy of its autoconfiguration. Most of us have used that OS > > quite a lot, and know that problems arise -- and that, unlike with > > open source OSes, it's actually fairly common to have no recourse at > > all when something does not work. >=20 > A good example is the need to edit the registry to improve network > performance - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/321098 . Another is that > in order to disable auto-run you need to know to type "gpedit.msc" in > the "Run" window to load the Group Policy Editor and navigate to the > settings. >=20 > --=20 > Bruce Cran You've touched on the basic philosophical difference between the Microsoft and Unix approaches. The former seeks to make usual activities easy and obvious, at the expense of making unusual activities downright difficult or impossible. Unfortunately, one person's unusual is another's everyday. The latter (Unix), OTOH, seeks greater consistency of interface, at the expense of a significant user learning experience just to get started. Personally, I prefer the latter, because that learning builds on itself and generates enormous power to overcome further obstacles and create new things. But for users who do not wish to learn anything and who want to use their computer the same way they use their DVD player or their electric toothbrush, the Microsoft Way fits the bill. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --Qbvjkv9qwOGw/5Fx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNWDELAAoJEIpckszW26+RoNEH/3H5DUTm7k3a+ZkNCCF8j9Ti +2jttl143LNhyiG3KErhQIijtt39RmZqbsUxhSaGqPL9nZqciuhClDHQT8a5Ni8I I861ytxPGwbm7fL6d9mFntNaueFvZNMuckUVEwNw6OBsLYTwaFC7HokIiTwSsTT6 6TWmdHpTGBqjzRlIyL4pYp7mhuiXaZVDyNu1oX9c6ZLf0ekkgK8oKIMFHXh2EyoB 4fPIwaw1lpnkEn+PvGndWdYgIvXKo69aFQWslegboTqNTX9OdGZ/SMmelfEV6FgE 3kAO507kj4lo3YPQUM2JzyX0W5T2DDt3BjRdrcEne7XGrpzMmiTz93OoD0EW+2U= =wt4r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Qbvjkv9qwOGw/5Fx-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 20:07:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2452D1065672 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:07:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.60]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DC0FD8FC08 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 31240 invoked by uid 0); 13 Feb 2011 20:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2011 20:07:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=JuJiIJLEgNsA94cp+sd5JK4FBpziQpUC4BpqOX0yUu3Hhk2aH0nChAmyFO0Tuo4i6SZ4K628cRg2Rc3QH+Nype/h+l23KuFJ2BUGIl0x/w3NRq6PRi1ZQIXomaBl3MV/; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PoiEU-00035Y-6C for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:07:47 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:57:29 -0700 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:57:29 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110213195729.GA60767@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> <20110213131051.00001ebf@unknown> <20110213085805.72f0132d@scorpio> <20110213164748.GB60459@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jRHKVT23PllUwdXP" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:07:48 -0000 --jRHKVT23PllUwdXP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:05:51PM -0500, Maxim Khitrov wrote: >=20 > Can you guys please take Microsoft bashing elsewhere? This thread is > about FreeBSD and SSDs - a topic I'd like to hear more about from > people with first-hand experience in running such setup. Perhaps responding to the "FreeBSD bashing" got a little out of hand. I apologize for sinking to nearly the same level of off-topic OS deprecation. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --jRHKVT23PllUwdXP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1YN6kACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXhfQCgzVyhVeB/D+6W6sCCh0n9R4fu wKsAoKa/Gxw6Ra9Gzl1KHpsN2J5sBg42 =yUdr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jRHKVT23PllUwdXP-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 20:29:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A42D1106566B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:29:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remegius@comcast.net) Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 813F88FC1B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:29:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7YNH1g0020QkzPwA6YV62z; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:29:06 +0000 Received: from remegius.comcast.net ([67.180.204.190]) by omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7YV41g00R46zqiB8NYV5lu; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:29:05 +0000 Message-ID: <4D583F10.70301@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:29:04 -0800 From: Rem P Roberti User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110131 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <4D580C00.6060902@comcast.net> <19800.3705.156052.864114@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4D582895.7090300@comcast.net> <4D58237C.8090208@comcast.net> <20110213194413.5d22ee7d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110213194413.5d22ee7d.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Stuck X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:29:06 -0000 On 02/13/11 10:44, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:31:24 -0800, Rem P Roberti wrote: >> Getting rid of all those .symbols files made a big difference. Where do >> I locate the kernel config file? > It is /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/ or /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/ > depending on your architecture; GENERIC is the name of the default > kernel (which doesn't require KERNCONF= in the make commands). > > > Yes...I realized that I had asked a rather dumb question. I made the changes and all worked fine. I still can't figure out why the output of df looks the way it does. Re, From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 20:42:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432BD106567A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:42:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 064738FC15 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 552 invoked by uid 0); 13 Feb 2011 20:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2011 20:42:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=oB+wTV/+K2v1QI2YcWx9j4NmHu7aMoMArdHjPocmDDS7zshP7+w2PV/6fcYPjMNle9R/7X6CzPH+UKc3M822UGm4crbEniyfLIyT8jA0j8+Y+iQgGJzQEww43A8hqVT3; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Poim3-0004Gz-Ai for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:42:28 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:32:11 -0700 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:32:10 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110213203210.GA61143@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <4D56799D.13036.2335C99A@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> <20110213164254.GA60459@guilt.hydra> <20110213170836.000072ad@unknown> <20110213192915.GC36911@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110213192915.GC36911@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:42:29 -0000 --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:29:15AM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: >=20 > But for users who do not wish to learn anything and who want to use > their computer the same way they use their DVD player or their electric > toothbrush, the Microsoft Way fits the bill. I think you're being too kind to the obviousness of the modern media player device's interface. The electric toothbrush is pretty obvious, though, if one is accustomed to toothbrushes in general. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1YP8oACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKX3ngCdHwaIKZhWPFVCZp+AjpNBcq5e j5IAniWi+K9px7gUqLTMB0ST5OCPGnaa =i+0a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 20:44:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6B61065670 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:44:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.60]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F174C8FC1B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 24602 invoked by uid 0); 13 Feb 2011 20:44:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2011 20:44:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=Uw/Ql8zRgC1SK7KflTrR1SH17UlbDBlDZpMvHFgFoQlCwGDOzq/zVZ1071SjXzypXawNgIJeNZa0l8CDmIMJhvbEs3G+HHH6sxwLMKJF3Zwybhsg0LtDFEeXDs+Bs4Pn; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Poinr-0005zn-Hl for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:44:20 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:34:03 -0700 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:34:03 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110213203403.GB61143@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <4D56799D.13036.2335C99A@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> <20110213164254.GA60459@guilt.hydra> <20110213191026.GB36911@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TakKZr9L6Hm6aLOc" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110213191026.GB36911@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:44:21 -0000 --TakKZr9L6Hm6aLOc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:10:26AM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: >=20 > Hey, I just found out that libreoffice can open all those old .WRI files > that MS Office no longer recognizes! Thanks for the tip! My pleasure. I bet it doesn't have the old Windows Write memory leak, either -- which, by the way, persisted in Wordpad at least as late as XP. I haven't checked whether that same memory leak still exists in Vista or Win7; maybe I should. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --TakKZr9L6Hm6aLOc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1YQDsACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUd6ACglRKZJPY0hwmVGekP3o5ZK8CT c/MAmwTbD3rkBxZyqyCnumyTpYs+y488 =8C2D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TakKZr9L6Hm6aLOc-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 22:28:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF552106567A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:28:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D5DA8FC1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.37]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 13 Feb 2011 17:28:16 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.1.9-GA) with ESMTP id ASQ88105; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:28:15 -0500 Received-SPF: None identity=pra; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None identity=helo; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="postmaster@jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received: from 209-6-91-204.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.91.204]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 13 Feb 2011 17:28:15 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19800.23295.265146.528435@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:28:15 -0500 To: questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: Subject: problem when including readline.h X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:28:17 -0000 I'm writing a C program which, for various reasons, has the warning level turned _way_ up. I'm now getting this: /usr/include/readline/readline.h:336: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'rl_make_bare_keymap' /usr/include/readline/keymaps.h:74: warning: previous declaration of 'rl_make_bare_keymap' was here and more like it. Other than turning down the warning level, what's wrong and how do I fix it? Respectfully, Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 22:40:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB369106564A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:40:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9973D8FC13 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:40:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pokbl-00082z-R7 for questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:39:59 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:39:59 -0800 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:39:59 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110213223959.GF2807@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: questions@freebsd.org References: <19800.23295.265146.528435@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="iBwuxWUsK/REspAd" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <19800.23295.265146.528435@jerusalem.litteratus.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Cc: Subject: Re: problem when including readline.h X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:40:04 -0000 --iBwuxWUsK/REspAd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Robert Huff on Sunday, 13 February 2011: > I'm writing a C program which, for various reasons, has the > warning level turned _way_ up. > I'm now getting this: >=20 > /usr/include/readline/readline.h:336: warning: redundant redeclaration of= 'rl_make_bare_keymap' > /usr/include/readline/keymaps.h:74: warning: previous declaration of 'rl_= make_bare_keymap' was here >=20 > and more like it. > Other than turning down the warning level, what's wrong and how > do I fix it? >=20 > Respectfully, >=20 >=20 > Robert Huff >=20 Both keymaps.h and readline.h declare rl_make_bare_keymap as an external function. Perhaps you shouldn't be including both files? --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --iBwuxWUsK/REspAd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNWF2/AAoJEIpckszW26+RTroH/iqw9y5JvOBHisTbDUw2ewvV NvxJFnWYcp9yJAepmJ+1nw23KTv7tAJIarxWzqw+846VSHi8UjkNQvTSBMrrGx0v waXJYTwdbFYZPEye0HhrMlo7PMo88PrQq7UEELD3rhpVxF0kaWoMFVH8nHurS2yZ yJPylGusf+CZoI/vRNyRXPngcm8eBSiAni2vOApiwiVLSFOhU0zOw1QQPbEvnYWa /BakiNs3uDub6X/GyywUuByhAo0JVN5mFSg8BUOectmTLVwuOfjtDdIFMMBWVoPJ pYvOAzfXynLmEZyLgE0k4Ruf7VTYRDM/fxRTuhG3E0lC15UH1BJeLoDsvUWqtxg= =z5D0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --iBwuxWUsK/REspAd-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 22:56:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD95106564A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:56:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467EF8FC0A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:56:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 13 Feb 2011 17:56:13 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.2.3-GA) with ESMTP id AXL18397; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:56:13 -0500 Received-SPF: None identity=pra; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None identity=helo; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="postmaster@jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received: from 209-6-91-204.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.91.204]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 13 Feb 2011 17:56:13 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19800.24972.729085.774767@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:56:12 -0500 To: Chip Camden In-Reply-To: <20110213223959.GF2807@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> References: <19800.23295.265146.528435@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20110213223959.GF2807@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem when including readline.h X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:56:14 -0000 Chip Camden writes: > > I'm writing a C program which, for various reasons, has the > > warning level turned _way_ up. > > I'm now getting this: > > > > /usr/include/readline/readline.h:336: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'rl_make_bare_keymap' > > /usr/include/readline/keymaps.h:74: warning: previous declaration of 'rl_make_bare_keymap' was here > > > > and more like it. > > Other than turning down the warning level, what's wrong and how > > do I fix it? > > Both keymaps.h and readline.h declare rl_make_bare_keymap as an external > function. Perhaps you shouldn't be including both files? Except I don't. The include list: #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include No second "keymap.h" visible. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 23:05:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4218106564A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:05:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mlobo@digiart.art.br) Received: from capella.hmnoc.net (capella.hmnoc.net [174.122.209.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979FD8FC12 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:05:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [187.59.126.86] (port=50105 helo=papi.localnet) by capella.hmnoc.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pojrk-0002VN-Q0 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:52:25 -0200 From: Mario Lobo To: FreeBSD Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:52:16 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.2-PRERELEASE; KDE/4.5.2; amd64; ; ) X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201102131852.16453.mlobo@digiart.art.br> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - capella.hmnoc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - digiart.art.br Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: CPU heating! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:05:07 -0000 Hi; I am following 8-CURRENT AMD64. I have a Phenom II 955. Up to the 3rd week of January, I had 8-STABLE. Idle CPU temp was 42~44 C (which is already not excellent, i know) and full load would never go above 60 C (compiling VBox from KDE, for instance). After updating to 8.2-PRERELEASE, my temps now are: idle:not less than 48 C full load (same above conditions): it reached 65.5 C with peaks of 66 C!. Was there any big change between these versions that could be causing this? -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 23:17:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FA61065670 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:17:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48BA18FC1C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:17:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PolC8-0002SA-Iv for questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 15:17:33 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 13 Feb 2011 15:17:34 -0800 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 15:17:34 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110213231734.GH2807@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: questions@freebsd.org References: <19800.23295.265146.528435@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20110213223959.GF2807@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <19800.24972.729085.774767@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kHRd/tpU31Zn62xO" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <19800.24972.729085.774767@jerusalem.litteratus.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Cc: Subject: Re: problem when including readline.h X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:17:39 -0000 --kHRd/tpU31Zn62xO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Robert Huff on Sunday, 13 February 2011: > Chip Camden writes: >=20 > > > I'm writing a C program which, for various reasons, has the > > > warning level turned _way_ up. > > > I'm now getting this: > > >=20 > > > /usr/include/readline/readline.h:336: warning: redundant redeclarati= on of 'rl_make_bare_keymap' > > > /usr/include/readline/keymaps.h:74: warning: previous declaration of= 'rl_make_bare_keymap' was here > > >=20 > > > and more like it. > > > Other than turning down the warning level, what's wrong and how > > > do I fix it? > > =20 > > Both keymaps.h and readline.h declare rl_make_bare_keymap as an extern= al > > function. Perhaps you shouldn't be including both files? >=20 > Except I don't. The include list: >=20 > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include >=20 > No second "keymap.h" visible. >=20 >=20 > Robert Huff >=20 Ah -- readline.h includes keymaps.h. You're SOL. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --kHRd/tpU31Zn62xO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNWGaOAAoJEIpckszW26+RxYUIALkY8RRjLrJUUft5nfC2IkY9 dUxi12oXrtOf8qBbIhQM+juGewon4eOVysbOfdDjDAB7X4xgpzBHZTZCoIqniMFP 6JqZ2S3yJi/2sAIzTHlIFLAvMRAt4j6o/XkL9GPZRT7I793I4T/PR4crTxySWkdY W0qkkolsP9sDzJ6cO+cTFdfuFN/rlg1zrTxWrusDf0iixhk/+z6CTeXrcEP5GNug 3JDd4k6meZTMfDclPsWTv2JKm2sf+ougJdXWMnYHnF7YWJX2jlDrNYBqoNlF6sjx ar6vzQY1LSriCkKSciH1VEXFg2d/6TsikAl9tFSKeWZSS0rW19RK5mOC8H/F7UA= =us9i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --kHRd/tpU31Zn62xO-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 00:30:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D55BE106566C for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 00:30:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikmccaskey64@zoho.com) Received: from sender1.zohomail.com (sender1.zohomail.com [72.5.230.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB028FC15 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 00:30:57 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=zapps768; d=zoho.com; h=date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; b=fcI9ne8n6RZStVFbsdttrzqXnQwnuLHekaikmO0e+ryTmmWB1JC4CqBfcivTcA7WkfYvMMcO0Diy 9ODnbpNCzTVOdszkILhniDKtzsbv+fKAWpUNiBT8A64tT1rc74Yq Received: from 172.29.249.242 (172.29.249.242 [172.29.249.242]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTP id 1297628794014767.2817602552152; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:26:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:26:33 -0800 From: erikmccaskey64 To: "freebsd" Message-ID: <12e20b40bf4.-3575625079760078456.-7128054472388216353@zoho.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: Medium User-Agent: Zoho Mail X-Mailer: Zoho Mail Status: RO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Security: gnome-screensaver VS. switch user X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 00:30:58 -0000 People "usually" suspend their laptop, so that they can continue their work when they open the laptop. OK! Two choices [GNOME]: 1 - Menu -> Shut Down -> Suspend in this case, the gnome-screensaver locks the PC. but the gnome-screensaver is just a "normal process", and it could be killed e.g.: http://securitytube.net/USB-Autorun-attacks-against-Linux-at-Shmoocon-2011-video.aspx or using any method [video was just an example!!]. 2 - Menu -> Log out -> Switch user -> Suspend in this case, the GDM [???] protects the user [i mean it locks the PC from other users] Which one is more secure/safer? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 01:46:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D701106564A for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 01:46:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (craigslist.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240178FC14 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 01:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p1E1oGfE082214; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:50:16 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:50:16 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201102140150.p1E1oGfE082214@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <19800.24972.729085.774767@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Cc: roberthuff@rcn.com Subject: Re: problem when including readline.h X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 01:46:38 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 13 17:00:08 2011 > From: Robert Huff > Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:56:12 -0500 > To: Chip Camden > Cc: questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: problem when including readline.h > > > Chip Camden writes: > > > > I'm writing a C program which, for various reasons, has the warning > > > level turned _way_ up. I'm now getting this: > > > > > > /usr/include/readline/readline.h:336: warning: redundant > > > redeclaration of 'rl_make_bare_keymap' > > > /usr/include/readline/keymaps.h:74: warning: previous declaration of > > > 'rl_make_bare_keymap' was here > > > > > > and more like it. Other than turning down the warning level, what's > > > wrong and how do I fix it? > > > > Both keymaps.h and readline.h declare rl_make_bare_keymap as an > > external function. Perhaps you shouldn't be including both files? > > Except I don't. You have to chase through all the includes to see what is included by the files you directly include. It's pretty sure to be sometthing in the '' directory. > The include list: > > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > > No second "keymap.h" visible. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 03:04:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80902106566C for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 03:04:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581078FC08 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 03:04:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2E805E80718; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:04:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:04:25 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110214030422.GA13410@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: Subject: mostly on-topic. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 03:04:26 -0000 Yo guys, First something offtopic. Even tho it was thanks to help from members of this list that i was able to publish my novel about a disabled computer nerd, nobody here bit. i thought at least many of y'all would buy and share ... but nope. I'd be much obliged for feedback--OFFLIST. If I ever have to create a typeset-quality doc, the kind that openoffice tries to create, I'll go with the LaTeX suite. Re book, it is scheduled to be read on a local book discussion group. {!!!} Partly off-topic. I'm sure that hundreds and hundreds remember when i was having trouble with portupgrades. My streams slowed or stopped. Steams and web connections and ftp: all flaky. I was _sure_ it was due to things not being kept current, so I tried for more than a week and the new ports got wedged or broke. BEsides breaking concrete with my head, once I had most things working, i Swore that I was going to turn over the hosting to somebody else. We have the BEST kernel in the known universe; when there is a Deb/FreeBSD distro [and evverything works], life will be complete. Nine days ago, after doing my 4th and 5th reset on my router, it died. I couldn't see that the LED labeled "INTERNET" wasn't lit. I have always been very careful with the thing; it is less than five years old. Nutshell, it took until noon last Monday before thought.org was reconnected with the Real World. I'm slightly stubborn; I'll get something working if it means reinstalling and upgrading the 817 ports on my server. But that did not fix my busted router; it was toast. I used my speech tools to ask what had gone wrong with the unit and the technician said: "iT burned out!" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 02:02:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F28EF106564A for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 02:02:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dschoenegg@frontier.com) Received: from out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D688FC17 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 02:02:30 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvgGAFcVWE1IRUaH/2dsb2JhbACXaI4cuU6FXgSFBIot X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,466,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="102714399" Received: from relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.166]) by out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 14 Feb 2011 01:33:34 +0000 X-Previous-IP: 72.69.70.135 Received: from [192.168.1.33] (pool-72-69-70-135.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net [72.69.70.135]) by relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 482341020B for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 01:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4D5886FC.5080708@frontier.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:35:56 -0600 From: Dieter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100423 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 05:05:42 +0000 Cc: Subject: I have a question? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 02:02:31 -0000 Can you use windows programs in freebsd? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 05:09:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33710106566B for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 05:09:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xxjack12xx@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEAC38FC0A for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 05:09:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyf6 with SMTP id 6so2137895eyf.13 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:09:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=nnwOiXVvo68rYdRxlIA2eiI8MxTrDHSWH2f/zTAZ1Y0=; b=facgcM1Nb2yc6it087Y4/oMjsOvA1jvbZMGufxxAU+eRentj88IM+9hTS5oPRNkbFr UTNDR4rvhvMp44sLSSTxfGtQJRtkJJkza9auMl5L91CtXgGxcnof0x5YiWNyXGOeKFkt Ii1lMsDdNA8cfqmiUhTyeVm2pcwaZ+qK/la44= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=QFDTp3LYMuh8BbUSFsRU5ezP7oXQiEjpnMwKdiWT9r3hVkLuPtpXJR27d/TZTVaw+3 6kCE6JpBeLrZDVTuWeMy9JzH1ZnF3mEoakGGpjZEna3Rb1COi6s/wtOTDgjWIkoNa6s6 8/eIIPMDfsliiQ0qzf90WJBLM3cNbXGT9R6Kc= Received: by 10.14.37.7 with SMTP id x7mr3358744eea.48.1297660186031; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:09:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.31.161 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:09:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D5886FC.5080708@frontier.com> References: <4D5886FC.5080708@frontier.com> From: "Jack L." Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:09:25 -0800 Message-ID: To: Dieter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I have a question? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 05:09:48 -0000 If you install wine, yes. On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Dieter wrote: > Can you use windows programs in freebsd? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 05:13:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9630710656A6 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 05:13:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264338FC2C for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 05:13:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyf6 with SMTP id 6so2138663eyf.13 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:13:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=2Qd7ody40Uw2GgNt5D8wKhU+x0GnQMK5FuBKWsc8yG0=; b=MxupzVJM7noz1LnkUCkYq/2C7CWgsVKeEvmvA2YDbq10bT0lByCl8+IMSrM5dlAnIO PQ/n0PTlXktg68KaqVasTi6zK7N0BsP0EUmpvII3UYdNfDH7kJd8P4lF6Oqlu+TgrcHp yVxKOw9JXt5zyCxMZzMcvYQfb9RSaj1qq5Sek= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=qMZqs5dtigOe3c2e/KXYxuQWmtWFJXWtDE3P+ftj96qdFEFAtA/tEWOHZHgWuygNSR npP91roDQFEU/0zbT1C0WQNILkxvZWvjKkxgcqHGiE4HKY0HiiGPcMx6olW1ksZ5M422 0SHySRDkTjZdC4KPomCcFUU7p2VONuS78YY7w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.127.130 with SMTP id d2mr148969eei.18.1297660398836; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:13:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.48.75 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:13:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4D5886FC.5080708@frontier.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 00:13:18 -0500 Message-ID: From: Outback Dingo To: "Jack L." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Dieter , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I have a question? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 05:13:20 -0000 On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Jack L. wrote: > If you install wine, yes. Uhmm good luck with that, I think maybe we should ask him to define "programs" > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Dieter wrote: > > Can you use windows programs in freebsd? > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 05:14:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 604A9106566B for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 05:14:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xxjack12xx@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E79BA8FC15 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 05:14:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyf6 with SMTP id 6so2138949eyf.13 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:14:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=dSQsw8A+pywz6odHl6BdYQzDD5JPsZ1ipYmC0ck84P0=; b=w7B0KhZFGad8dDjypvBkk1398+uWO+4P/ZrekUoiAK4iPuu+UnqUaniEZOeIpdUPS5 /lTA9W3NjE2FyYXgIh5gl9g5Za9MKGlApmOnTt3CInGKgdg14OCTlgphbGREa16xBxWP QHpugPHrS9FhU7QIKTI9CLLCvNs9FC004ojxo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=kPi561jeifS7wYgb99xkwNcDejbYBrgUJfKxf+9k/DUS+SbGQ2IIUXZFfBIbOiEoN4 EzpT9Zg2CwUtNXn10Zm66Rg4tSsGahenowrOAj03gVlD7vH//7k5k03BBjaKeVrYyzRV 07qPMooppn64WnqEu83HgMAc1T0pOgNES4h5Y= Received: by 10.14.120.142 with SMTP id p14mr296894eeh.13.1297660484030; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:14:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.31.161 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:14:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4D5886FC.5080708@frontier.com> From: "Jack L." Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:14:23 -0800 Message-ID: To: Outback Dingo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Dieter , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I have a question? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 05:14:45 -0000 On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Outback Dingo wrote: > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Jack L. wrote: >> >> If you install wine, yes. If all else fails, you can always install virtualbox and install windows to run windows apps on freebsd. That works great for my needs :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 05:59:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F223106564A for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 05:59:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gautham@lisphacker.org) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065E08FC13 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 05:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8so1980239gxk.13 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:59:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.5.11 with SMTP id h11mr3914193agi.143.1297661500206; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:31:40 -0800 (PST) Sender: gautham@lisphacker.org Received: by 10.91.55.24 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:31:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 05:31:40 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: g5emzbjux6XPEsMat_O1i-xUuOg Message-ID: From: Gautham Ganapathy To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: 64-bit Windows XP NDIS drivers giving missing symbols X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 05:59:41 -0000 On July 24, 2010 08:04AM, Paul B Mahol wrote: > On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Gautham Ganapathy wrote: >> Hi >> >> I have an Alienware m11x with a Dell 1520 wireless minicard (Broadcom >> BCM4353 chipset). It comes with only Windows 7 drivers, but I was able to >> download Windows XP drivers seperately. However, after I generate the kernel >> module (I am using the 64-bit WinXP driver and freebsd amd64), I get errors >> when I try to load it. It says that the following symbols are missing >> >> ZwQueryInformationFile >> ZwCreateFile >> ZwReadFile >> IoUnregisterPlugPlayNotification >> ExFreePoolWithTag >> >> According to MSDN, these were introduced in Windows 2000. >> >> Is there any way of getting this driver running ? > > Such symbols are completly irrelevant for normal operation, because > NDISulator crash on amd64 during driver initialization. > I fixed this in my own git repo, but "fpudna in kernel mode" (my > understanding is that it is source of panic when trying to use ndis0 > device on amd64), present only on amd64 is still not yet fixed - this > should be addressed with fpu_kern KPI available on CURRENT - not done > yet... > Feel free to send patches. > Hi Would these changes be available in 8.2-release? Regards Gautham PS - Sorry, I lost the original copy of the thread. Had to copy this from an archive. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 06:13:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E1ED106566B for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 06:13:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2278FC14 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 06:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p1E6CxXO047838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:12:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p1E6Cxgw047837; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:12:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA02075; Sun, 13 Feb 11 22:11:22 PST Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:11:00 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: xxjack12xx@gmail.com, dschoenegg@frontier.com Message-Id: <4d58c774.a/IZZiqrPYnohlN2%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4D5886FC.5080708@frontier.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I have a question? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 06:13:00 -0000 "Jack L." wrote: > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Dieter wrote: > > Can you use windows programs in freebsd? > > If you install wine, yes. _and_ if the windows programs you want to run _work_ in wine. Wine intends to become a complete win32 implementation, but: 1. It's not there yet. Many applications run well. Some run passably. Some don't work at all. 2. Too many windows programs take advantage of undocumented, unsupported windows "hacks" that can't ever be made to work in wine. Copy protection schemes are among the worst offenders in this area. Check the wine AppDB at http://appdb.winehq.org for the particular windows programs you want to run. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 06:13:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0098106566C for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 06:13:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77578FC17 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 06:13:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p1E6CwRf047833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:12:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p1E6Cwac047832; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:12:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA02061; Sun, 13 Feb 11 22:11:09 PST Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:10:47 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: sterling@camdensoftware.com Message-Id: <4d58c767.TKDJgvBtMZik1mpV%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4D56799D.13036.2335C99A@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> <20110213164254.GA60459@guilt.hydra> <20110213170836.000072ad@unknown> <20110213192915.GC36911@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> In-Reply-To: <20110213192915.GC36911@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 06:13:03 -0000 Chip Camden wrote: > But for users who do not wish to learn anything ... > the Microsoft Way fits the bill. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Of course. It's his company. But does it fit anyone else? >;-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 09:55:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67651106566C for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:55:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8A08FC12 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:55:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-143-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.143.131]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829AB3CC2B; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:55:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p1E9tVeu001436; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:55:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:55:31 +0100 From: Polytropon To: perryh@pluto.rain.com Message-Id: <20110214105531.d0d35501.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4d58c767.TKDJgvBtMZik1mpV%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4D56799D.13036.2335C99A@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> <20110213164254.GA60459@guilt.hydra> <20110213170836.000072ad@unknown> <20110213192915.GC36911@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <4d58c767.TKDJgvBtMZik1mpV%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:55:34 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:10:47 -0800, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Chip Camden wrote: > > > But for users who do not wish to learn anything ... > > the Microsoft Way fits the bill. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Of course. It's his company. But does it fit anyone else? It perfectly fits the round depot "G". :-) It's a common misbelief that "Windows" doesn't involve learning. IT DOES. Furthermore, this misbelief is strenghtened by the typical habit of "Windows" users to delegate problems they encounter to others (who then solve the problems, or even do the pending work). You would wonder how many problem people have who have never seen a "Windows" before and are now forced to try to do any serious work with that. Even the relation between the "foot pedal" and the "white triangle", let alone the "letter board", is too complicated for many. I could see that in reality... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 10:08:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AEF3106566B for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:08:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D3C8FC1B for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf19 with SMTP id 19so4579904wyf.13 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 02:08:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=plFGDaMAVa+K/w08o3uwxueJemhDkRvDo/T/SdJ1xQI=; b=qv1L0iPmTtEmhNVox5WP6jGhp5C2eInV91bTJ6cx2Yz1CVV8z9W8ik/R3eGBSucEtc jS6wqnJB+tq6KNqFp6YChLHnU/+VZrosDT/u4ShDwapTGZqmtYWDqKcBBVhGvSSA/s4O 4HCv2iVla+gDNtrMTtDNBhmiog7X6m6Mm5y78= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=WOIex/MLM0zpIXIlTaj9GI80Dq8si6cmLENbtN4OKEykNYd2+zUhwySJLuURTDIyg9 gzwuZFKQqrBZ8Io0+O3HfEfWJG2hmKY6f0fiTq2ucjVTRIefWmjeRKEi3PYr8qnba5Rr 75Mu08WELH4eLc3RcqMtUUxDQiwKp5aK56Rx4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.178.138 with SMTP id f10mr2853250wem.98.1297678120646; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 02:08:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.80.147 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 02:08:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D5538DF.2050309@gmail.com> References: <4D547675.60506@ukr.net> <4D54D22F.2060607@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4D5531D3.8040906@ukr.net> <4D5538DF.2050309@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:08:40 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: Guillermo Fernando Cotone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to add a few hundred ip on one interface? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:08:42 -0000 On 11 February 2011 13:25, Guillermo Fernando Cotone wrote: > On 02/11/2011 09:55 AM, Vladislav V. Prodan wrote: >> And this construction work? >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 ipv4_addrs_ed0=3D"192.0.2.129/27 192.0.2.1-2/28 192.0.2.4-5/= 28" >> > It would work only if all the IPs were on the same subnet. If you want > to use different subnets you need to implement vlans on that interface > first. > > Regards, > Guillermo > > there is no reason why a single vlan cant have multiple ip subnets, so unless freebsd has a specific limitation (which i dont think it does) I cant see this as being true From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 10:10:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54415106566C for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:10:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDBAB8FC15 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:10:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so5105587bwz.13 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 02:10:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=a92YalQi3Whk6qbJ9hOflGZwJRTWiUkfMdXHzIgh6Nk=; b=KGKtzIInbuZReF6DCqII7U5RFhuEl7pwH+V5vkQBEQG7Wp8lNd8z5IRK3eGm0g2/Lv oQOAC6HWlXVEuvrOZWT1FIjDXi3k6wzJZO3j4pEuSOb6W5JGe8i6moBlrwSUeNmuA1yu 9kNRLnsKfMPSq/AfSOCAUKL9/85BAXc+2YS4Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=nFg7GX+Ck2WJyhklQs3MxQkpRaxuaiNbirvqBenrzjNgo2eL9kKo7hrdmAlyK5PkmC WOs0hHgC/zdx59HPylCFxKf/AGBS51S1B2wEw+cHc2F8JcsjYx9PodDpLMDzeTngTG6r pAnTVI9j+IT2cX4bEFwMnKAtq4H2h/9K4yF+Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.64.208 with SMTP id f16mr3252795bki.61.1297678242595; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 02:10:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.76.18 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 02:10:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.76.18 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 02:10:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201102131852.16453.mlobo@digiart.art.br> References: <201102131852.16453.mlobo@digiart.art.br> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:10:42 +0000 Message-ID: From: Chris Rees To: Mario Lobo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: CPU heating! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:10:44 -0000 On 13 Feb 2011 23:06, "Mario Lobo" wrote: > > Hi; > > I am following 8-CURRENT AMD64. I have a Phenom II 955. Up to the 3rd week of > January, I had 8-STABLE. Idle CPU temp was 42~44 C (which is already not > excellent, i know) and full load would never go above 60 C (compiling VBox > from KDE, for instance). > > After updating to 8.2-PRERELEASE, my temps now are: > idle:not less than 48 C > full load (same above conditions): it reached 65.5 C with peaks of 66 C!. > > > Was there any big change between these versions that could be causing this? > > -- > You need to replace the thermal grease on your processor? It goes hard and loses effectiveness. I recommend Arctic Silver 5. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 11:22:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5116106566C for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 11:22:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 766068FC12 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 11:22:02 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjYHAJeYWE1UXebr/2dsb2JhbACJbo17gSaMd3O5QA2FUQQ Received: from outmx07.plus.net ([84.93.230.235]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 14 Feb 2011 10:52:38 +0000 Received: from custompc.plus.com ([212.159.115.167] helo=admin) by outmx07.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1Pow2o-0008RB-4p for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:52:38 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Graham Bentley" To: References: <20110213184227.0A45C10656E0@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:51:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 12:23:15 +0000 Subject: dwm / dmenu advice X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 11:22:02 -0000 Anyone using these two give me some advice? Im trying to launch dmenu with Alt-P and a predefined list of about 6 apps in something like ~/.menu.lst but having a tough time getting this to work. Any tips? http://www.mail-archive.com/dwm@suckless.org/msg00468.html This looked the part but syntax now seems wrong - could be changed in most recent ports version? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 12:26:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC1B106564A for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 12:26:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1238FC12 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 12:26:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so2881684vws.13 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 04:26:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=Cf+MeLtxJ2DaiXBC1aYh//JIxPh5s10CSn74J9+vDFA=; b=o982fhKwgPkMZlzhIGUfj07H9Z/pMpGpKqRQ/dxDjz8HYKxMDRBQztdT0NQx04MpqU OmUC5TDv/hC60OF42231vVYKUzkcWYahQrwSiWXm8T6hD71CA414iCB/2em/BbI2LNlR FBtVscejQ5/WGUFbE7MmCueHLgjT3h1R8tW0I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=Zb/xDaVO92knGZT95u50cMo+Sg0CFtypWy8oBt97OfttAnACYeYRzNfHUMS6/NTFC4 mAbeNpP4+EG7rlmPMA22rePOJWMbVJIT0LAmFH1IHSiZoGQt7t3Jhbo6b3XLOKd5gh3j YEX/vSAhFQUBHTN4KFsOZBnoG4V9nY+LSwE2Q= Received: by 10.220.192.74 with SMTP id dp10mr861065vcb.156.1297686384176; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 04:26:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.194.196 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 04:26:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: "Paul B. Mahol" Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 12:26:04 +0000 Message-ID: To: Gautham Ganapathy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: 64-bit Windows XP NDIS drivers giving missing symbols X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 12:26:25 -0000 On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 5:31 AM, Gautham Ganapathy > Would these changes be available in 8.2-release? They should be already in 8.2 RC3 (dunno about loader bug). Anyway you always can track FreeBSD STABLE and stable branch of https://github.com/richardpl/NDISulator . From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 14:32:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A1CE106566B for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:32:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598ED8FC29 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:32:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb26 with SMTP id 26so4903440iyb.13 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 06:32:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.230.138 with SMTP id jm10mr4954368icb.431.1297693958367; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 06:32:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.241.135 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 06:32:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201102131852.16453.mlobo@digiart.art.br> From: Chris Brennan Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:32:18 -0500 Message-ID: To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: CPU heating! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:32:39 -0000 > > You need to replace the thermal grease on your processor? It goes hard and > loses effectiveness. I recommend Arctic Silver 5. It even comes in this little push-tube applicator with a plunger ... but it works great! Arctic Silver is probably the best their is, highly recommended. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 15:51:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0631065672 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:51:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E808FC14 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:51:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyc15 with SMTP id 15so2182281gyc.13 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 07:51:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.147.170.14 with SMTP id x14mr5241661yao.36.1297698683899; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 07:51:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from papi.localnet ([187.59.126.86]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e24sm3722541ana.2.2011.02.14.07.51.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 14 Feb 2011 07:51:23 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 12:51:10 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.1-STABLE; KDE/4.5.2; amd64; ; ) References: <201102131852.16453.mlobo@digiart.art.br> In-Reply-To: X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201102141251.10428.lobo@bsd.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: CPU heating! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:51:26 -0000 On Monday 14 February 2011 11:32:18 Chris Brennan wrote: > > You need to replace the thermal grease on your processor? It goes hard > > and loses effectiveness. I recommend Arctic Silver 5. > > It even comes in this little push-tube applicator with a plunger ... but it > works great! Arctic Silver is probably the best their is, highly > recommended. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Thanks to all. I'll give it a shot. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 16:18:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FCA1065674 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:18:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C908FC0A for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:18:22 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: An0GABnkWE3Unw4R/2dsb2JhbACXao4ec7pZhV4E Received: from outmx02.plus.net ([212.159.14.17]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 14 Feb 2011 16:18:21 +0000 Received: from helix.plus.com ([84.92.153.232] helo=curlew.milibyte.co.uk) by outmx02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Pp181-00039J-FV for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:18:21 +0000 Received: by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with local (Exim 4.74) (envelope-from ) id 1Pp180-000Kls-1n for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:18:20 +0000 From: Mike Clarke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:18:19 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201102141618.19897.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: Upgrading ImageMagick fails 2 of 48 tests X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:18:23 -0000 I'm trying to upgrade ImageMagick from 6.6.5.10 to 6.6.6-10 on FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE but 2 tests fail with segmentation faults - validate-formats-in-memory.sh and validate-formats-on-disk.sh. I'll stick with 6.6.5.10 for now but would welcome suggestions on how to deal with this problem ========================================= ImageMagick 6.6.6: ./test-suite.log ========================================= 2 of 48 tests failed. .. contents:: :depth: 2egmentation fault FAIL: tests/validate-formats-in-memory.sh (exit: 139) ===================================================== Version: ImageMagick 6.6.6-10 2011-02-14 Q16 http://www.imagemagick.org Copyright: Copyright (C) 1999-2011 ImageMagick Studio LLC ImageMagick Validation Suite (FormatsInMemory) validate image formats in memory: test 0: ART/Undefined/TrueColor/8-bits... pass. test 1: ART/Undefined/TrueColorMatte/8-bits... pass. test 2: ART/Undefined/Grayscale/8-bits... pass. [Snip lots of passes] test 291: JPEG/Undefined/PaletteMatte/8-bits... pass. test 292: JPEG/Undefined/PaletteBilevelMatte/8-bits... pass. test 293: JPEG/Undefined/Bilevel/1-bits... pass. teSegmentation fault FAIL: tests/validate-formats-on-disk.sh (exit: 139) =================================================== Version: ImageMagick 6.6.6-10 2011-02-14 Q16 http://www.imagemagick.org Copyright: Copyright (C) 1999-2011 ImageMagick Studio LLC ImageMagick Validation Suite (FormatsOnDisk) validate image formats on disk: test 0: ART/Undefined/TrueColor/8-bits... pass. test 1: ART/Undefined/TrueColorMatte/8-bits... pass. test 2: ART/Undefined/Grayscale/8-bits... pass. [Snip lots more passes] test 291: JPEG/Undefined/PaletteMatte/8-bits... pass. test 292: JPEG/Undefined/PaletteBilevelMatte/8-bits... pass. test 293: JPEG/Undefined/Bilevel/1-bits... pass. test 2Segmentation fault -- Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 16:51:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD89106564A for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:51:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 828E08FC16 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so5462275bwz.13 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 08:51:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Sjqoezvb3T6/vvQ0QZqlzS5zj9kVd6UW8xAJ4E9pATk=; b=x7XviwCKQL5oYmBBtc7k0TgjbkTRCEfwDg9u1kDcy1Gxf4ihI5wfRsCAazOIp1J0ve 3hWwIOHnozrHEpUdZHjMlMLgLYXweRKPBAs8qzwEIrU11TsABuYp0EA1A08cZMiVXlGT JqHSYQeA48ahK1uSwte1Q3T2HsyNqCgiQdHlw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=n0ddSgi6ABeXuSpfQNQuRnoGg0+dYUc3Emxh/iw2Uj01TS6tT9j43m/aeddhsZR9VY uT0ssqOF3FKYcZV9GqDsbnw1TLiS2BtYXBB1GR6AEGwoqKfdC0f/ZCSYWFlERZune8Mq OsjdW3AYfLTXDb9w4in1qO4E1p2lkQ33e1vtw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.99.73 with SMTP id t9mr3633879bkn.34.1297702314316; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 08:51:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.16.138 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 08:51:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.16.138 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 08:51:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201102141251.10428.lobo@bsd.com.br> References: <201102131852.16453.mlobo@digiart.art.br> <201102141251.10428.lobo@bsd.com.br> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:51:54 +0000 Message-ID: From: Chris Rees To: Mario Lobo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CPU heating! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:51:59 -0000 On 14 Feb 2011 15:51, "Mario Lobo" wrote: > > On Monday 14 February 2011 11:32:18 Chris Brennan wrote: > > > You need to replace the thermal grease on your processor? It goes hard > > > and loses effectiveness. I recommend Arctic Silver 5. > > > > It even comes in this little push-tube applicator with a plunger ... but it > > works great! Arctic Silver is probably the best their is, highly > > recommended. > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Thanks to all. I'll give it a shot. > -- > Mario Lobo > Hahaha, shot! 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Thread-Index: AcvML4Cf08wO5QNPRauWINt7kbKvDQARUooQ Message-ID: <0EE458C34045A44DBC2CA2DC5CEB42B527C6A247@mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl> References: <201102131852.16453.mlobo@digiart.art.br> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: CPU heating! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:30:26 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: Chris Rees [mailto:utisoft@gmail.com]=20 Sent: 14 February 2011 10:11 To: Mario Lobo Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: CPU heating! On 13 Feb 2011 23:06, "Mario Lobo" wrote: > > Hi; > > I am following 8-CURRENT AMD64. I have a Phenom II 955. Up to the 3rd wee= k of > January, I had 8-STABLE. Idle CPU temp was 42~44 C (which is already not > excellent, i know) and full load would never go above 60 C (compiling VBo= x > from KDE, for instance). > > After updating to 8.2-PRERELEASE, my temps now are: > idle:not less than 48 C > full load (same above conditions): it reached 65.5 C with peaks of 66 C!. > > > Was there any big change between these versions that could be causing this? > > -- > You need to replace the thermal grease on your processor? It goes hard and loses effectiveness. I recommend Arctic Silver 5. Chris _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " Sorry to jump in, yes I would agree about Artic Silver 5, while researching= the topic of thermal compounds I discovered that it takes approx 200 hours= of being used before AS5 will start to operate at its peak. Regards Graeme From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 18:57:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C1E106566C for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:57:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545E98FC12 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb26 with SMTP id 26so5164417iyb.13 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:57:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.224.136 with SMTP id io8mr5503543icb.29.1297709862461; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:57:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.241.135 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:57:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <0EE458C34045A44DBC2CA2DC5CEB42B527C6A247@mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl> References: <201102131852.16453.mlobo@digiart.art.br> <0EE458C34045A44DBC2CA2DC5CEB42B527C6A247@mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl> From: Chris Brennan Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:57:22 -0500 Message-ID: To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: CPU heating! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:57:43 -0000 > > Sorry to jump in, yes I would agree about Artic Silver 5, while researching > the topic of thermal compounds I discovered that it takes approx 200 hours > of being used before AS5 will start to operate at its peak. > That's only a little over 8 days... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 19:58:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E88C4106566C for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 19:58:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a.bilson@trotinetka.info) Received: from smtpout09.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpout09-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D0FE68FC18 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 19:58:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 19502 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2011 19:31:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.162.105.221) by smtpout09.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.14) with ESMTP; 14 Feb 2011 19:31:30 -0000 From: "Amanda Bilson" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:31:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20110214195811.E88C4106566C@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Invitation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 19:58:12 -0000 Hello, you have been invited to participate in the tester campaign of the new Dell XPS16 laptop. As a reward for your contribution we are willing to let you keep the testing model. The shipment is at our expense. Follow the link below if you wish to join the tester campaign. http://bit.ly/fNW2o7 Regards, The Gadget Center From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 20:55:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B041065674 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:55:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elbbit@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A129F8FC12 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:55:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyf6 with SMTP id 6so2650716eyf.13 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 12:55:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=g82ToejXP1umdQcr7cN9nPxYQi7FfwRngTlanwvkt/Q=; b=V+PtTcLxIO8MqmHHDTxr9sv9Y9iEFkMyRpef0eS7a/BZFeEN+3Ns4KW8aezzEmrZcG j4RaTjNtFGz8SCtb167jhIrqt8zPf5ja+ptScijn42E2r6UtH3knVz1QZETAKCdHPEvG XVzYpt+NlTel/nCuda2a6hBaTtf/TiUCwS2ao= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Ip04j5okG37Stait3O9WzcX+P8h+GaLkDuBAB/jOrhe8srAdvqHIOxatscx/l7T2Hh TxTk6eQnWP9OAd0MHfARMaRA+k6ZXP0BDVkzr6ppukZyD6cOLIXN/H/hxRtvrWi8aiKo RuHWseOhIY5VeBuaE/MIgrvMYCQiMGKQwfzK0= Received: by 10.213.105.80 with SMTP id s16mr4526111ebo.18.1297716902532; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 12:55:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.177.27.172] ([212.183.128.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t50sm2842550eeh.6.2011.02.14.12.55.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 14 Feb 2011 12:55:01 -0800 (PST) Sender: elbbit Message-ID: <4D5996A3.4040602@tibble.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:54:59 +0000 From: Simon Tibble User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101226 Icedove/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110214195811.E88C4106566C@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20110214195811.E88C4106566C@hub.freebsd.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Invitation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:55:04 -0000 On 14/02/11 19:31, Amanda Bilson wrote: > Hello, > > you have been invited to participate in the tester campaign > of the new Dell XPS16 laptop. > > As a reward for your contribution we are willing to let you > keep the testing model. The shipment is at our expense. > > Follow the link below if you wish to join the tester campaign. > http://bit.ly/fNW2o7 > > Regards, > The Gadget Center > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Now, see, I can't help thinking that if we all just abandoned money then the motivation for people to do this sort of thing would then disappear - would it not? Don't mind me. I'm a crazy man. Or am I just entertaining the thought of a world without money as a possibility, yet I am refusing to accept it? -- Simon Tibble simon@tibble.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 21:13:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87DB11065672 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:13:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from amavis-outgoing2.knology.net (amavis-outgoing2.knology.net [24.214.64.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C33E8FC1C for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:13:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (amavis-outbound2 [127.0.0.1]) by amavis-outgoing2.knology.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2D511C067 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:13:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp5.knology.net ([192.168.200.214]) by localhost (amavis-outgoing2.knology.net [192.168.200.231]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id SFF01lS7+fYY for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:13:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from Grumpy.DynDNS.org (unknown [24.42.224.110]) by smtp5.knology.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B0E70021 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:12:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id D064B2841F; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:12:58 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:12:58 -0600 From: David Kelly To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110214211258.GA11557@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110214195811.E88C4106566C@hub.freebsd.org> <4D5996A3.4040602@tibble.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D5996A3.4040602@tibble.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: Invitation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:13:02 -0000 On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 08:54:59PM +0000, Simon Tibble wrote: > > Now, see, I can't help thinking that if we all just abandoned money > then the motivation for people to do this sort of thing would then > disappear - would it not? Without money, how would we keep score to know who is winning? -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 21:18:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9165106564A for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:18:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jarrod.sl@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B873A8FC13 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:18:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk32 with SMTP id 32so1008775pzk.13 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:18:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Z9+EYlj8B+VOzT/oGl6T/qhI157YXfQ9XFBMxBscLs0=; b=VtwQCWKfLC/AUCn6GykVJ2XU1Fz08hvLj0Kk9BMl4Z79RthERNiaPf8BFtGpLNlZ5m q/hgtNIRwQr03U6WB7a5z0674/3PB7dG4X9FjofwHRHo5giWNBPdlJq/yG7PJDPiGUVc 55f09/wEGHMsGyj9Yib4MX7v1+eXhfKHzaX3k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ANDGtUulsPi9Jqaz3c/72GAjiBgC/om+s4Mh9+CY4XxhhS62xkwLpsdiZrrYs7gMHN kMWyjTCi/ksgcT9yUaRHcCSWFobEFOhsMEOuiMwSajtkTj6H0rrknhOc3OZXMByUYCLR TiBh6wftQeNQIRIQkjhJjlFTOzgoXyXFnVG1o= Received: by 10.143.8.2 with SMTP id l2mr3523033wfi.214.1297718302076; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:18:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from jarrod-slicks-macbook.local ([206.123.101.89]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b11sm4682349wff.9.2011.02.14.13.18.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:18:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D599C14.6090707@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:18:12 -0700 From: Jarrod Slick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110214195811.E88C4106566C@hub.freebsd.org> <4D5996A3.4040602@tibble.net> <20110214211258.GA11557@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> In-Reply-To: <20110214211258.GA11557@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Invitation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:18:23 -0000 On 2/14/11 2:12 PM, David Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 08:54:59PM +0000, Simon Tibble wrote: >> Now, see, I can't help thinking that if we all just abandoned money >> then the motivation for people to do this sort of thing would then >> disappear - would it not? > Without money, how would we keep score to know who is winning? > David, Simon Tibble has thus far shown himself to be a spammer; let's not give him any more space to plug his completely OT site than he's already had on this list. Simon, If you want to plug your site in a legitimate manner why not put a link to it in your signature, learn about FreeBSD, and contribute to on topic discussion? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 21:23:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99508106566C; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:23:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1C78FC0A; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:23:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so5303843iwn.13 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:23:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.175.6 with SMTP id ay6mr5580755icb.498.1297718599417; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:23:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.241.135 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:23:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.241.135 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:23:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D5996A3.4040602@tibble.net> References: <20110214195811.E88C4106566C@hub.freebsd.org> <4D5996A3.4040602@tibble.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:23:19 -0500 Message-ID: From: Chris Brennan To: Simon Tibble Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "postmaster@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Invitation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:23:20 -0000 You're back?!? .... well not for long. Your discussion doesn't pertain to FreeBSD. -- Sent from my Droid On Feb 14, 2011 3:56 PM, "Simon Tibble" wrote: > On 14/02/11 19:31, Amanda Bilson wrote: >> Hello, >> >> you have been invited to participate in the tester campaign >> of the new Dell XPS16 laptop. >> >> As a reward for your contribution we are willing to let you >> keep the testing model. The shipment is at our expense. >> >> Follow the link below if you wish to join the tester campaign. >> http://bit.ly/fNW2o7 >> >> Regards, >> The Gadget Center >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > Now, see, I can't help thinking that if we all just abandoned money then > the motivation for people to do this sort of thing would then disappear > - would it not? > > Don't mind me. I'm a crazy man. Or am I just entertaining the thought > of a world without money as a possibility, yet I am refusing to accept it? > > > -- > Simon Tibble > simon@tibble.net > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 21:47:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545FA106564A for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:47:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elbbit@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41A48FC15 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:47:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyf6 with SMTP id 6so2675357eyf.13 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:47:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UjGmk1ivU/kxptZuzM5lik6XrwWYgcPE6Kl2W0wot+k=; b=RIzo2akj1JYMnguUhNlmkv+N05e+JeKj/mH2/n9crsQi6Ci20K7fJxCfA65IMMtYpU BBFsNusEcwH1EaItLy6vPOMvaU3M+greU5Quafteza6/G2G8mKB+n7R6Cx2PlGNafPX/ c5u4+WDfWJ/0ZDJLAKs3LAiY5jHW9CejGkxTo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=bOpB51bGYBsQirSBustoAJ6GB8L9cotcedxOm/Z727Pk9BKicuTANizNPKIWM9J/Qg WoC3rj89D+ruUTehHuE6xj0zin5oZqLmzKEuK9coZ+fDhBCYIdBVoeDULHb4qfJ0Dd3G TeSWe0YWT83sL95wc6D8/jutlT0N4v4YTEP00= Received: by 10.213.27.209 with SMTP id j17mr4535326ebc.56.1297720034968; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:47:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.177.27.172] ([212.183.128.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t5sm2885126eeh.8.2011.02.14.13.47.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:47:14 -0800 (PST) Sender: elbbit Message-ID: <4D59A2DF.2070604@tibble.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:47:11 +0000 From: Simon Tibble User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101226 Icedove/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110214195811.E88C4106566C@hub.freebsd.org> <4D5996A3.4040602@tibble.net> <20110214211258.GA11557@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> In-Reply-To: <20110214211258.GA11557@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Invitation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:47:17 -0000 On 14/02/11 21:12, David Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 08:54:59PM +0000, Simon Tibble wrote: >> >> Now, see, I can't help thinking that if we all just abandoned money >> then the motivation for people to do this sort of thing would then >> disappear - would it not? > > Without money, how would we keep score to know who is winning? > By measuring ones contribution. This can be quantified by creating a system whereby one's output is measured. It is not a credit system, rather a combination of reputation (feedback of others) and how much produce or time you effect. Try to think ebay without the money, and instead of leaving feedback after every transaction you only leave the feedback just once (how do you feel about the other person? good/bad). Also, in this contribution based system you can change your mind about the other party at any time, whether you are still in a relationship or not. And, instead of having "listings" which get replaced they get renewed with updated quantities, so, you see, you could list TIME or PRODUCT and as you make more available you update your contribution system. I am looking to recruit developers for such an idea, and I have a partial prototype of a new discussion-decision-resolution website system partially created at tibble.net (it's not even prototype worthy yet, but it's getting there). Specificially, I suggest you read the IDEA page which explains more about my radical (and not new but only slightly different) way of organising ourselves as a race. Quantifiable without currency through better organisation. Lose the belief in the money system and the Queen of England will no longer control you from the capital of the whole financial institution which is London. (On a side note, Washington is the centre for military control and I think you know where the spiritual center is in the east). But don't mind me. I'm a crazy man with random mumbles. -- Simon Tibble simon@tibble.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 21:58:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A361106566B for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:58:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elbbit@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95638FC0C for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:58:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyf6 with SMTP id 6so2679103eyf.13 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:58:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vLGlgUKe8osuo+rFpTqm9hxY7/B3/CVKwk8YgYZ3Bak=; b=d7fJSPyXWMDavfL2lZNF60Am3TOphmRV3G6P3k3jpRXjgOYJWzLuRVa4O7NRtCseq0 Q9dQ2XoVMbxksS1zhe012PRrXRS144IUfZF1hDCXrhF25BS8Vwno4qOdLWkDDXCQGXBv rd68iv4uKOrn1HcuZ+ejF7Xur9rRQ6mPBmalA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=LBEczDPCcg66Ib3dgSjeRutzsR8rd9yLh/LvHLHo1zGs01Akj1lwAAQ+0KElhw7/x2 LfW976t9pvk/jX2adrUrS8dLz1aLDvdwxVF5FyebaNt7zP+E58rJN7JNDi5SYbbzdvro kvVntiKY2NFqQmojck8S6X8vEczTm24fp0J8A= Received: by 10.213.104.136 with SMTP id p8mr4597008ebo.59.1297720698604; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:58:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.177.27.172] ([212.183.128.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u1sm2893737eeh.16.2011.02.14.13.58.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:58:17 -0800 (PST) Sender: elbbit Message-ID: <4D59A577.2010906@tibble.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:58:15 +0000 From: Simon Tibble User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101226 Icedove/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110214195811.E88C4106566C@hub.freebsd.org> <4D5996A3.4040602@tibble.net> <20110214211258.GA11557@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <4D599C14.6090707@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D599C14.6090707@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Invitation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:58:20 -0000 On 14/02/11 21:18, Jarrod Slick wrote: > On 2/14/11 2:12 PM, David Kelly wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 08:54:59PM +0000, Simon Tibble wrote: >>> Now, see, I can't help thinking that if we all just abandoned money >>> then the motivation for people to do this sort of thing would then >>> disappear - would it not? >> Without money, how would we keep score to know who is winning? >> > David, > > Simon Tibble has thus far shown himself to be a spammer; let's not give > him any more space to plug his completely OT site than he's already had > on this list. > > Simon, > > If you want to plug your site in a legitimate manner why not put a link > to it in your signature, learn about FreeBSD, and contribute to on topic > discussion? I don't just plug a site. I don't care if you take the open source effort I am making (it's initially called "Tibble" but I am open to better names) and start using it on your own system in order to help organise yourself better. I encourage it. Don't mind me - the crazy man with a radical idea! All I am suggesting is that the 20 million people who are online as part of the Zeitgeist movement are calling for us all to question our belief in the money system, and you can either look in to it or you can play like an ostrich (put your head in the sand and hope the idea goes away)? I'm not saying you have to be involved OK. I am asking all people for help, and I welcome who will join me. Developers frequent these mailing lists, and how else can I ask for help if I don't go the places people hang out? Huh? If my emails bother you so much I encourage you to set up a mail filter on your MUA and send me to /dev/null where you think I belong. It's fine by me, ok :-) The world is starving. Wars are raging. There is a strangle hold over the flow of information in the form of TV. These are all facts. The "new world order" is coming to fruition and you are picking on my distasteful emailing for help to the smartest mailing lists I know? Sorry I'm taking up your ever so valuable disk space! -- Simon Tibble simon@tibble.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 22:00:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54E6106566B for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:00:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5972F8FC14 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:00:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16so5869546fxm.13 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:00:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iwSsXLqqh/CVfdZ9Lyn7xwjoGsks9tuJiOO/S76uhHc=; b=I/vk6Y4WU4Fiu+aI79/RSkeb7Z2BDQenHzvdSAmyMdLu30HiI7vOIVMSQQB8N+Vecv hrTzYYc2X2ShN3LCdZV3zOUKP9LGDU/7ir/sbXzwcdhFQTCxR3ddqWTaz8g7P/dVMM+X +nF8o6bPdfnTEth4bKjq09K6JnmnNjw9LbYiI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=MAFU6kn5WB3kGZ2RK3iFaRN1oaPgfM3+v4sKyTEBXH49Xjlnu9WgVF6MPUDmAqXfeI KdOnDZ37y6efpcbAfGl23IeQM1EuBVXDeSn4seg/0nAlXrBN2uRh2u+uZSAsNRwo4KLK aiSBXQQY4L3MSN3fhzzQCczEEZKiNoffs4BEg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.103.12 with SMTP id i12mr5202211fao.43.1297720853046; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:00:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.83.15 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:00:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D59A577.2010906@tibble.net> References: <20110214195811.E88C4106566C@hub.freebsd.org> <4D5996A3.4040602@tibble.net> <20110214211258.GA11557@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <4D599C14.6090707@gmail.com> <4D59A577.2010906@tibble.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:00:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Invitation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:00:55 -0000 On 14 February 2011 16:58, Simon Tibble wrote: > Sorry I'm taking up your ever so valuable disk space! > That's okay, /dev/null is pretty big. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 22:34:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9947F106566C for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:34:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from mail.sagedata.net (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760BE8FC16 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:34:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SAGEPLACE (sageweb.net [65.68.247.73]) by mail.sagedata.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id p1EMYeqU025820 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:34:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.sagedata.net: Host sageweb.net [65.68.247.73] claimed to be SAGEPLACE Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20110214163437.019167e0@sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@sage-american.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:34:37 -0600 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Jack L. Stone" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Greylist: Message whitelisted by Sendmail access database, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:34:40 -0600 (CST) X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/1.15.388 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:34:40 -0600 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-10.00 required=4.50 X-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-10.0 points, 4.5 required) | | pts rule name description | ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- | -0.0 SHORTCIRCUIT Not all rules were run, due to a shortcircuited rule | -10 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP | Subject: script help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:34:41 -0000 Hello folks: No doubt this will be easy for those with scritping abilities. I have a gazillion files by the same name and each contains the same line requiring the same change. But the problem is that they are in many different directories on a server with numerous domains. While I could handle the change using a single directory within my abilities, I'm unsure how to do a search and replace throughout the many domains and their directories. Don't want to mess up. Here's what I'm trying to do: # find all of the same filenames (copyright.htm) and then replace the year 2010 with 2011 in each file. Once I have a working script, I should be able to add it as a cron job to run on the first day of each new year. Any help appreciated. Thanks! Jack (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 22:54:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F902106566B for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:54:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E0A8FC08 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:54:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.net (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p1EMs6is063472; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:54:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BAD8ABA90; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:54:06 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:54:06 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: "Jack L. Stone" Message-ID: <20110214225406.GA69832@slackbox.erewhon.net> References: <3.0.1.32.20110214163437.019167e0@sage-american.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20110214163437.019167e0@sage-american.com> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: script help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:54:09 -0000 --YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 04:34:37PM -0600, Jack L. Stone wrote: > # find all of the same filenames (copyright.htm) and then replace the year > 2010 with 2011 in each file. Once I have a working script, I should be ab= le > to add it as a cron job to run on the first day of each new year. The following command should do the trick, I think. find / -type f -name copyright.htm -exec sed -i .bak -e 's/Copyright =A9 20= =2E./Copyright =A9 2011/g' {} \; Basically the find(1) command locates the files you want to change, and than for every file it calls sed(1) with the -i flag to do the in-place editing. The originals are saved as copyright.htm.bak. If all goes well, you can delete those. Depending on the contents of the files, you might want to just replace 2010= by 2011, or use a little more context as I did in the example, to make sure on= ly the right numbers are replaced. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1Zso4ACgkQEnfvsMMhpyWlmgCgoqeMlJFCBhS/gZo14fsEHNT/ fukAniQ/UANyQUSjBtIIjcDNTUNziYLt =LbtZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 22:58:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5276106566B for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:58:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4B48FC08 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:58:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pp7NE-0003Uj-KR for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:58:29 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:58:29 -0800 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:58:29 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110214225829.GF2714@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3.0.1.32.20110214163437.019167e0@sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ChQOR20MqfxkMJg9" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20110214163437.019167e0@sage-american.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: script help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:58:35 -0000 --ChQOR20MqfxkMJg9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Jack L. Stone on Monday, 14 February 2011: > Hello folks: >=20 > No doubt this will be easy for those with scritping abilities. >=20 > I have a gazillion files by the same name and each contains the same line > requiring the same change. But the problem is that they are in many > different directories on a server with numerous domains. While I could > handle the change using a single directory within my abilities, I'm unsure > how to do a search and replace throughout the many domains and their > directories. Don't want to mess up. Here's what I'm trying to do: >=20 > # find all of the same filenames (copyright.htm) and then replace the year > 2010 with 2011 in each file. Once I have a working script, I should be ab= le > to add it as a cron job to run on the first day of each new year. >=20 > Any help appreciated. >=20 > Thanks! > Jack >=20 > (^_^) > Happy trails, > Jack L. Stone >=20 > System Admin > Sage-american > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" find /upper-dir -name copyright.htm -exec sed -i '' -e "s/2010/2011/g" {} \; --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --ChQOR20MqfxkMJg9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNWbOVAAoJEIpckszW26+R278H/0cXBFJ6eWmbiYzWmcJ4SIMt UGCY3z/NoyA69dgNA/RrgQ6H2oj+YuwtoNfIdoyP/QV/cuWbpZ1583X+C1W4JS6A sVAfbW+p+jX+6sSZaYLG7PKX0lsAc/b9h+6gPkMXQAcVT9eXKlyrZGI6Ho/uK2sC KO3unf8th/mnNoDYxPcbFQGVu7OVzSvB1HXMZrvX8CwsLDQSsJ+1y0/XSkLWmDyL xsq3z5X1jA3PPumeMsRnGVHFrpe7Jf1xwLs8LBOPU8ioHgfzJLpG2bk25p6uXCpJ uycIMCxPwlNIf0U4yoZpQwH536aJRVz9qrXYwIWZX3PoScsKaQhkSwBZDwn9LVc= =mOq7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ChQOR20MqfxkMJg9-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 22:59:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A42A106564A for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:59:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jarrod.sl@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C6A8FC12 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:59:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk32 with SMTP id 32so1022556pzk.13 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:59:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=s/+ft32KR/bqB/DZrOm9Nbr835EIkqVBdX/rABOHBpI=; b=Zv+eVQRVvEk+QUTw44aYAmlj+Zdj1D2V8FVRCIRj8oilnJo8X1gTtpUz4r4kgRmhCd EbT3d0nYenDLStx2xsJuEgoP4uPdw8gLkFuvfbaHuVAihreejPCyFfq5h7qBkx7Us05q dmYF1a3+4oL8UYTg9CN/W9FKt5V5UQiM09H+0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pCbGuNJImcvFFAo6fUY706sr/c6Fi0V2+Ei3KUWJ4s1pbUcOLdQRK8sTuEYZN2DK/J yYGUUjA76+Xnq9FPEx6iJP1BcZ4uxIGCAFABC8QfVfsLmJx5LUh66XvmSCVW3eAT2O2C JlneVR1iU/1hnjdQn1Gig6Vd/A8m0I/c3oKmM= Received: by 10.142.127.21 with SMTP id z21mr3597537wfc.238.1297724395729; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:59:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from jarrod-slicks-macbook.local ([206.123.101.89]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w22sm4787107wfd.7.2011.02.14.14.59.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:59:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D59B3E0.1040403@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:59:44 -0700 From: Jarrod Slick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3.0.1.32.20110214163437.019167e0@sage-american.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20110214163437.019167e0@sage-american.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: script help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:59:57 -0000 On 2/14/11 3:34 PM, Jack L. Stone wrote: > Hello folks: > > No doubt this will be easy for those with scritping abilities. > > I have a gazillion files by the same name and each contains the same line > requiring the same change. But the problem is that they are in many > different directories on a server with numerous domains. While I could > handle the change using a single directory within my abilities, I'm unsure > how to do a search and replace throughout the many domains and their > directories. Don't want to mess up. Here's what I'm trying to do: > > # find all of the same filenames (copyright.htm) and then replace the year > 2010 with 2011 in each file. Once I have a working script, I should be able > to add it as a cron job to run on the first day of each new year. > > Any help appreciated. > > Thanks! > Jack > > (^_^) > Happy trails, > Jack L. Stone > > System Admin > Sage-american > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Something like this should work (*UNTESTED*): #!/usr/bin/perl use strict; use warnings; use File::Find; my @directories = qw(/var/www/html /var/www/html2 /etc); #if you don't know all the directories and are okay with the script running for a while you could just specify / my $line = quotemeta("Copyright 2010"); # Or whatever your line actually is . . . my $copyright_file = quotemeta("copyright.htm"); find(\&wanted, @directories); sub wanted { if($_ =~ $copyright_file) { open(my $fh, '<', $File::Find::dir.'/'.$copyright_file) or die "Couldn't create read handle: $!\n"; my $new_file = undef; while(<$fh>) { if($_ =~ /^$line$/) { $_ =~ s/2010/2011/; } $new_file .= $_."\n"; } close($fh); open($fh, '>', $File::Find::dir.'/'.$copyright_file) or die "Couldn't create write handle: $!\n"; print $fh $new_file; close($fh); } } From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 23:11:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B30F2106566B for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:11:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43C768FC08 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:11:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16so5934186fxm.13 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:11:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=+H5oib/yw3mLV2oMq0fPZEJFv6QL5J3J50+zLZhC9eA=; b=mEDmwTvqMFzKgrRslp+rsarkOz1pZ/ZumZfokjngZdpyCufWvRAleSJx8l1imAjaJs UpCVyCERQx+/gbLuJPMemnpPG+wuvmQ2/DMjp9+27fKk04SB+wF1w6IMVO03nbFzep07 kT+DvgoXE9sdQr0kMHGNdkR8CcRsg4CNdv8rs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=tl6SfkO4zBnFTuszYMhEDhOdcfeqXAh/+hcqgR6GHDIwzhNomCI6gy0enqdfV84CvD 5NTPfnd8pjK/oSv3Wy9iSZ4otXxfRHI28mirls6BCx4+eMUVYpz1Cp2ZbYW0FI/SjuXL pLXbqKPvRURCnbN4R869g1yKMNJLq0wQtdlYo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.103.198 with SMTP id l6mr5291726fao.99.1297725079099; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:11:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.94.67 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:11:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20110214163437.019167e0@sage-american.com> References: <3.0.1.32.20110214163437.019167e0@sage-american.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:11:19 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: "Jack L. Stone" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: script help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:11:20 -0000 On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Jack L. Stone wrote: > Hello folks: > > No doubt this will be easy for those with scritping abilities. > > I have a gazillion files by the same name and each contains the same line > requiring the same change. But the problem is that they are in many > different directories on a server with numerous domains. While I could > handle the change using a single directory within my abilities, I'm unsure > how to do a search and replace throughout the many domains and their > directories. Don't want to mess up. Here's what I'm trying to do: > > # find all of the same filenames (copyright.htm) and then replace the year > 2010 with 2011 in each file. Once I have a working script, I should be able > to add it as a cron job to run on the first day of each new year. > > Any help appreciated. > /usr/ports/misc/rpl -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 23:12:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F961065674 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:12:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mail-out3.apple.com (mail-out.apple.com [17.254.13.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B4378FC1E for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay14.apple.com (relay14.apple.com [17.128.113.52]) by mail-out3.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F8ECF0FDEC; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:54:25 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: 11807134-b7c40ae000006cb9-85-4d59b2a11119 Received: from cswiger1.apple.com (cswiger1.apple.com [17.209.4.71]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay14.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id C6.31.27833.1A2B95D4; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:54:25 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Chuck Swiger In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20110214163437.019167e0@sage-american.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:54:25 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8C3904BF-434F-4515-BD04-018DC29F49C0@mac.com> References: <3.0.1.32.20110214163437.019167e0@sage-american.com> To: Jack L. Stone X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: script help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:12:06 -0000 On Feb 14, 2011, at 2:34 PM, Jack L. Stone wrote: > # find all of the same filenames (copyright.htm) and then replace the = year > 2010 with 2011 in each file. Once I have a working script, I should be = able > to add it as a cron job to run on the first day of each new year. find . -name copyright.htm -exec sed -i .BAK s/2010/2011/ {} \; Of course, a purely automated replacement of the year without making any = other change is likely considered "de minimus" from a copyright = perspective. You'd need to make a more substantial change involving = some original content for this to be genuinely meaningful.... Regards, --=20 -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 23:17:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02441065679 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:17:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F228FC15 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:17:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyf6 with SMTP id 6so2701025eyf.13 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:17:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.127.136 with SMTP id d8mr2032641eei.35.1297725467438; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:17:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.119.1 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:17:47 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [64.81.163.112] In-Reply-To: <20110213181223.GD55168@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> <20110213131051.00001ebf@unknown> <20110213085805.72f0132d@scorpio> <20110213164748.GB60459@guilt.hydra> <20110213181223.GD55168@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:17:47 -0800 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: Frank Shute Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Maxim Khitrov , FreeBSD Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:17:51 -0000 On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Frank Shute wrote: > Agreed. I posted my short experience of using an SSD as a workstation > drive and I'd be interested in hearing the experience of any other > users. Problems? Praise? Let's hear it. While not quite a workstation application, in a previous job I helped maintain industrial PCs that booted cut-down Windows 95 installs off of 128 megabyte CompactFlash cards. As SSDs go this was pretty primitive stuff. We had very few problems with this setup. This was just FAT, no special SSD support. I also have a netbook with an SSD I've used heavily for the last three years with no problems. My only complaint about that one is the write performance is rather slow, it being an SSD optimized for power consumption instead of speed. I would be curious to hear stories from people who actually *have* run into SSD failures related to write limitations. I've heard a lot of speculation but no actual anecdotes. I'm sure they're out there; but I also know people are more likely to complain when things go wrong than talk about things going right, so my suspicion is it must be rare. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 23:32:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B34D1065673 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:32:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout023.mac.com (asmtpout023.mac.com [17.148.16.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B688FC13 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:32:55 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from [17.151.67.188] by asmtp023.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LGM0071FS26PO10@asmtp023.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:32:35 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-02-14_08:2011-02-14, 2011-02-14, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1102140152 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:32:30 -0800 Message-id: <7583C9E5-EA30-4C75-BDF7-C1BA123B8334@mac.com> References: <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> <20110213131051.00001ebf@unknown> <20110213085805.72f0132d@scorpio> <20110213164748.GB60459@guilt.hydra> <20110213181223.GD55168@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> To: David Brodbeck X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: Frank Shute , FreeBSD , Maxim Khitrov Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:32:55 -0000 Hi-- On Feb 14, 2011, at 3:17 PM, David Brodbeck wrote: > I would be curious to hear stories from people who actually *have* run > into SSD failures related to write limitations. I've heard a lot of > speculation but no actual anecdotes. I'm sure they're out there; but > I also know people are more likely to complain when things go wrong > than talk about things going right, so my suspicion is it must be > rare. Back around 2005 / 2006, we were using a bunch of Soekris 4511's, IIRC, running NetBSD and a network IDS we'd been working on, which possibly generated 100s of MB to a few GB of logging per day. Whoever did the initial setup didn't realize that the flash cards of that timeframe were limited to 10K writes or so, and after a few months you started getting 16K chunks of old logfile data, or 16K chunks of new and old logfile data corrupted together-- looked to be a binary OR of the 0 bits. Nothing reported that writes were failing-- evidently the flash cards didn't notice an error and thus didn't report it back to the system. Switching /var to tmpfs resolved the issue for us. >From what I understand (a quick review of wikipedia helps :), modern flash cards are now typically rated for 100K writes, include ECC bits to actually correct or at least detect errors and try to remap bad blocks to unused blocks, and implement wear-leveling techniques of varying degrees of effectiveness. Regards, -- -Chuck PS: Reposted from a NetBSD thread, was .... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 23:51:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3F6106566C for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:51:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rem@remdog.net) Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60DA68FC14 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.89]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7zQC1g0031vN32cA6zeWtx; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:38:30 +0000 Received: from remegius.comcast.net ([67.180.204.190]) by omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7zeU1g01L46zqiB8izeVzR; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:38:30 +0000 Message-ID: <4D59BCF4.2040209@remdog.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:38:28 -0800 From: Rem P Roberti User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110131 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Redux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:51:41 -0000 I need to ask this question again in the hopes that something will come of it. In the process of going through an update (I finally got that sorted out) all of my partitions were renamed. Here they are: Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/label/rootfs0 507630 326734 140286 70% / devfs 1 1 0 100% /dev /dev/label/var0 1012974 170386 761552 18% /var /dev/label/usr0 33292236 9358560 21270298 31% /usr linprocfs 4 4 0 100% /usr/compat/linux/proc /dev/md0 789518 16 726342 0% /tmp As you can see, root, which was once /dev/ad0s1a, is now /dev/label/rootfs0, and /var, which was once /dev/ad0s1d, is now /dev/label/var0. Along with these changes the /etc/fstab was automatically modified to allow the boot process to take place. Can someone give me a heads up as to what is going on here. Rem From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 23:53:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF20106564A for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:53:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [66.147.249.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3AACA8FC08 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:53:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 1511 invoked by uid 0); 14 Feb 2011 23:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy1.bluehost.com.bluehost.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2011 23:53:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=VaArnjim+fgOJo/Whr+rlkDRvFCDiQ+OJi7Dhtf1XhtDZE7C3ONeDNWrnHJVcNjAxJhS+8n5zs9+Bqq7c63etqVSXbJDtXX0cMl37jTS87+JrL45wt1O8LcTokNxENKm; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pp8Dz-0005ez-L0 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:53:00 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:42:40 -0700 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:42:40 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110214234240.GB66413@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110214195811.E88C4106566C@hub.freebsd.org> <4D5996A3.4040602@tibble.net> <20110214211258.GA11557@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <4D59A2DF.2070604@tibble.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wq9mPyueHGvFACwf" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D59A2DF.2070604@tibble.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Invitation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:53:01 -0000 --wq9mPyueHGvFACwf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 09:47:11PM +0000, Simon Tibble wrote: > On 14/02/11 21:12, David Kelly wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 08:54:59PM +0000, Simon Tibble wrote: > >> > >> Now, see, I can't help thinking that if we all just abandoned money > >> then the motivation for people to do this sort of thing would then > >> disappear - would it not? > >=20 > > Without money, how would we keep score to know who is winning? >=20 > By measuring ones contribution. This can be quantified by creating a > system whereby one's output is measured. It is not a credit system, > rather a combination of reputation (feedback of others) and how much > produce or time you effect. Try to think ebay without the money, and > instead of leaving feedback after every transaction you only leave the > feedback just once (how do you feel about the other person? good/bad). Broken. Won't work. It's too bureaucratic for too little (immediate) return to catch on, and its bureaucracy would guarantee long-term corruption. We'll probably evolve semi-naturally to a reputation based economy as advancing technology eliminates a lot of basic-needs scarcity, but that's just speculation. In the meantime, "money" is really nothing but a scalable way to lubricate the process of trade. The more you centralize the management of money (or its replacement), the less efficiently it works -- and trying to quantify "contribution" through some uniform system as you suggest would require absurd levels of centralization. If you really want to do away with money, the best way to do it is to advance the state of the art of automation technology. You can do this by contributing expertise, time, and money (in decreasing order of importance) to copyfree [0] and open source [1] software development projects such as FreeBSD. Trying to distract the people contributing to such projects with pie-in-the-sky manifestations of song lyrics from the early '70s [2] is actually counterproductive to that aim. >=20 > But don't mind me. I'm a crazy man with random mumbles. That's good advice. I should follow it. # NOTES: [0] http://copyfree.org [1] http://www.opensource.org [2] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Imagine_(song) --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --wq9mPyueHGvFACwf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1ZvfAACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKX/agCgmOrrL/y7k8GUl+XdobkPgieE 7XAAn2MTGZnf3rTtHChUIWR4xdHHACEI =brXD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wq9mPyueHGvFACwf-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 00:05:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6D31065672 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:05:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C30558FC0A for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:05:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 5561 invoked by uid 0); 15 Feb 2011 00:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2011 00:05:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=mGPVcHh5IzjVBAXteW03eID2CsbpBnpzxQLj5fMUI3PhuMpUpJkJCmaPpqhyqrDcls3FzjB9EugrcP1u70EH56eW5rukrHAtD+pYmqoQjAMIJUZ6UfN35uB04RslSSOj; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pp8Q3-00039T-2X for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:05:28 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:55:07 -0700 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:55:07 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110214235507.GA66554@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> <20110213131051.00001ebf@unknown> <20110213085805.72f0132d@scorpio> <20110213164748.GB60459@guilt.hydra> <20110213181223.GD55168@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <7583C9E5-EA30-4C75-BDF7-C1BA123B8334@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="GvXjxJ+pjyke8COw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7583C9E5-EA30-4C75-BDF7-C1BA123B8334@mac.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:05:29 -0000 --GvXjxJ+pjyke8COw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 03:32:30PM -0800, Chuck Swiger wrote: >=20 > >From what I understand (a quick review of wikipedia helps :), modern > >flash cards are now typically rated for 100K writes, include ECC bits > >to actually correct or at least detect errors and try to remap bad > >blocks to unused blocks, and implement wear-leveling techniques of > >varying degrees of effectiveness. >=20 > Regards, > --=20 > -Chuck >=20 > PS: Reposted from a NetBSD thread, was > .... Just make sure you double-check the rating for the specific SSD storage hardware you're actually using. The fact the state of the art is better now than it was does not mean you are using state of the art hardware. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --GvXjxJ+pjyke8COw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1ZwNsACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWhHACg6ObI3eTY14yea4YSZ6/Z+QOw fekAoOfz+4i7RHhx6Ydsju/PxuXNEg7F =g7Ca -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --GvXjxJ+pjyke8COw-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 00:12:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A34091065672 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:12:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F0B8FC0A for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:12:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-143-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.143.131]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B9D3CFCD; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:12:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p1F0CK3D002957; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:12:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:12:20 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Rem P Roberti Message-Id: <20110215011220.16606770.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4D59BCF4.2040209@remdog.net> References: <4D59BCF4.2040209@remdog.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Redux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:12:23 -0000 On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:38:28 -0800, Rem P Roberti wrote: > I need to ask this question again in the hopes that something will come > of it. In the process of going through an update (I finally got that > sorted out) all of my partitions were renamed. Here they are: > > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity > Mounted on > /dev/label/rootfs0 507630 326734 140286 70% > / > devfs 1 1 0 > 100% /dev > /dev/label/var0 1012974 170386 761552 18% > /var > /dev/label/usr0 33292236 9358560 21270298 31% > /usr > linprocfs 4 4 0 > 100% /usr/compat/linux/proc > /dev/md0 789518 16 726342 0% > /tmp > > As you can see, root, which was once /dev/ad0s1a, is now > /dev/label/rootfs0, and /var, which was once /dev/ad0s1d, is now > /dev/label/var0. Along with these changes the /etc/fstab was > automatically modified to allow the boot process to take place. Can > someone give me a heads up as to what is going on here. Seems that you - or something - did make the switch from device names to labels. Maybe your kernel now includes GEOM functionality for work with labels? But I don't know of a process that changes /etc/fstab automatically... You can still use the device names for the /etc/fstab entries, you just need to make sure that you select the correct names (as you described above). Then there should be no problem as labels are optional. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 00:24:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F22106564A for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:24:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remegius@comcast.net) Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D455E8FC08 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:24:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.90]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 80PA1g0061wfjNsA80QFzE; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:24:15 +0000 Received: from remegius.comcast.net ([67.180.204.190]) by omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 80QD1g00N46zqiB8j0QEBK; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:24:15 +0000 Message-ID: <4D59C7AD.1070300@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:24:13 -0800 From: Rem P Roberti User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110131 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <4D59BCF4.2040209@remdog.net> <20110215011220.16606770.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110215011220.16606770.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Rem P Roberti , FreeBSD Subject: Re: Redux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:24:16 -0000 > On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:38:28 -0800, Rem P Roberti wrote: >> I need to ask this question again in the hopes that something will come >> of it. In the process of going through an update (I finally got that >> sorted out) all of my partitions were renamed. Here they are: >> >> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity >> Mounted on >> /dev/label/rootfs0 507630 326734 140286 70% >> / >> devfs 1 1 0 >> 100% /dev >> /dev/label/var0 1012974 170386 761552 18% >> /var >> /dev/label/usr0 33292236 9358560 21270298 31% >> /usr >> linprocfs 4 4 0 >> 100% /usr/compat/linux/proc >> /dev/md0 789518 16 726342 0% >> /tmp >> >> As you can see, root, which was once /dev/ad0s1a, is now >> /dev/label/rootfs0, and /var, which was once /dev/ad0s1d, is now >> /dev/label/var0. Along with these changes the /etc/fstab was >> automatically modified to allow the boot process to take place. Can >> someone give me a heads up as to what is going on here. > Seems that you - or something - did make the switch from > device names to labels. Maybe your kernel now includes > GEOM functionality for work with labels? But I don't know > of a process that changes /etc/fstab automatically... > > You can still use the device names for the /etc/fstab > entries, you just need to make sure that you select > the correct names (as you described above). Then there > should be no problem as labels are optional. > > Honestly, I certainly didn't make the change from device names to labels. I wouldn't know how to do that, although I gather from what you've said that the kernel config file contains that information. I'm not sure, however, what you mean when you say that I can still use the device names, as the system will not boot unless fstab has in it the entries shown above. Rem From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 01:00:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D713F106564A for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:00:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D798FC0C for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:00:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so5470628iwn.13 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:00:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=XJd6UBlwuLrqKZSfYCjAHZ9grPJ0srT/lOL44c0g3g8=; b=Wz73At+qdYPnIk+1X1qAyWzJ5U3xuRER1PRJxm81Tmra06ZrFNCpOTugJnrBu0wONs n1x/8Paa4UgbCd/cI93khnSIzpSLPuqzLf+pYjRzdsuvkn5gLxAKGRtmv1VoaSp9a4zS K2ZrmKAigvPP/pRU8cBBqw/xVImints4Yg/0g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=qm8tGQmiWHdvMrPTf1CEf328Jk4hJ/GHAJ9Pfp+J1cDk6tozZwdk1cVyq/kX1DeLNm zgf/OXS9LKXJeuMfBQ2b1N4dI6rdsNmml8gdasv9ishjow7ElP+++NbPsFom02mpQQti GngxAbHQFR5tcIWM250bgREwkLF1Cla0BPFhM= Received: by 10.42.241.132 with SMTP id le4mr5855281icb.356.1297731619731; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:00:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.wi.rr.com (cpe-184-58-138-79.wi.res.rr.com [184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t14sm2746876icd.10.2011.02.14.17.00.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:00:19 -0800 (PST) From: ajtiM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 19:00:02 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.1-RELEASE; KDE/4.5.5; i386; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201102141900.02996.lumiwa@gmail.com> Subject: android X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:00:20 -0000 Hi! I bought HTC Inspire 4G phone and I lie to upload some mp3 files. When I connected a phoe to the USB port I got: da4 at umass-sim1 bus 1 scbus3 target 0 lun 0 da4: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device da4: 40000 MB/s transfers How can I mount it, please? Thanks in advance. Mitja -------- http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 01:28:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF3B106566C for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:28:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F068FC17 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:28:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16so6025147fxm.13 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:28:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=wDj2ZWN2kGGyRw0rb76hSsSiJbZ7xG0H6bkhK5Txp6Q=; b=mSUZfWG618jI98+J4Y2SVY3VXSvdRzyLdnjp70KZo+Z21f30cZ1hfY1Y7opm+dedK6 wnZp6Uh0eNsiRYkiDT0L2q73FylTCtEtiwKDJ6iCi5TCMROzRKN8iyoTtQES+jYmNK36 DBQ3UWKNcolm9TBzgvbSALkAMGCkCF72rkVzQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=rgMcc9GK6G89KL1RFAR8uIJmWVw567tnqFVnCQyb1tBO+Uq/NJkYWnCNw+y3Uru6lD sX4gO11Jc8EyaFzf6mHy71JT/DtQ2EDK7CF1wY3iZDlazLKjaF073ZzA4E8Moj78c6xk 8VuBHOkuhnIswkJcsj56dhVeN0Wv5hGL7qle4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.86.80 with SMTP id r16mr5437568fal.81.1297733334413; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:28:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.83.15 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:28:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201102141900.02996.lumiwa@gmail.com> References: <201102141900.02996.lumiwa@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:28:54 -0500 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: ajtiM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: android X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:28:56 -0000 On 14 February 2011 20:00, ajtiM wrote: > Hi! > > I bought HTC Inspire 4G phone and I lie to upload some mp3 files. When I > connected a phoe to the USB port I got: > > da4 at umass-sim1 bus 1 scbus3 target 0 lun 0 > da4: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device > da4: 40000 MB/s transfers > > How can I mount it, please? > Probably (though not certainly) mount -t msdosfs /dev/da4s1 /mnt -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 01:33:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399FB106564A for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:33:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1-6.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98968FC1B for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:33:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:a145:3f7f:f039:feb6] ([IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:a145:3f7f:f039:feb6]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1F1X8xH048297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:33:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-ID: <4D59D7C8.40708@sentex.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:32:56 -0500 From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ajtiM References: <201102141900.02996.lumiwa@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <201102141900.02996.lumiwa@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.67 on IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: android X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:33:10 -0000 On 2/14/2011 8:00 PM, ajtiM wrote: > Hi! > > I bought HTC Inspire 4G phone and I lie to upload some mp3 files. When I > connected a phoe to the USB port I got: > > da4 at umass-sim1 bus 1 scbus3 target 0 lun 0 > da4: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device > da4: 40000 MB/s transfers > > How can I mount it, please? Try, ls -l /dev/da4* You will probably see /dev/da4s1 which is most likely msdos. If so, try mount_msdosfs /dev/da4s1 /mnt ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 01:39:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77EA106566C for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:39:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58FD58FC14 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:39:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16so6031744fxm.13 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:39:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=E6Q9G7BDsuCEt44Qv8733wV+1uD3vNin73+HJEDL81g=; b=clplPtXmGrTMP2hv0sVZq7DnhRgeBAeW5kmmGuGjl8IhT7gJo2GNafYsrz+3rPFHiy m9e2BYXvmJCLwXt2yPhsHl26jB/khEQ3uGkgxmXwF0gc+y+KliurN36Z77LFK2fGqouf jlJPBUfEYWm0M52WVPg8Z3+NWoW5OxI40UxAI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xOB5EqTUW3cipvNMGW+1WFGsSk5UyQ553MYUdHgl7n1im+NNZB6wLk4N0hDVkTi+qT WsGtcGBoey/prBJuf5LzP7rE00damW/4V+qi3a+lmz8IqrWcXGIvbc0m1M6wQj67lM+T zqky+jk5/ftb5sdRqtKXxzq82tShYYYSjgB94= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.103.12 with SMTP id i12mr5422412fao.43.1297733984146; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:39:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.83.15 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:39:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D59C7AD.1070300@comcast.net> References: <4D59BCF4.2040209@remdog.net> <20110215011220.16606770.freebsd@edvax.de> <4D59C7AD.1070300@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:39:44 -0500 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Rem P Roberti Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Rem P Roberti , Polytropon , FreeBSD Subject: Re: Redux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:39:46 -0000 On 14 February 2011 19:24, Rem P Roberti wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:38:28 -0800, Rem P Roberti =A0wro= te: >>> >>> I need to ask this question again in the hopes that something will come >>> of it. =A0In the process of going through an update (I finally got that >>> sorted out) all of my partitions were renamed. =A0Here they are: >>> >>> Filesystem =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1K-blocks =A0 =A0 =A0 Used =A0 = =A0 =A0 Avail =A0 =A0 =A0Capacity >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Mounted on >>> /dev/label/rootfs0 =A0 =A0507630 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 326734 =A0 140286 =A0 = =A0 =A0 70% >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 / >>> devfs =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A01 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 >>> =A0 =A0 100% =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0/dev >>> /dev/label/var0 =A0 =A0 =A01012974 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 170386 =A0 761552 = =A0 =A0 =A0 18% >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0/var >>> /dev/label/usr0 =A0 =A0 33292236 =A0 =A0 =A0 9358560 21270298 =A0 =A0 3= 1% >>> =A0 =A0/usr >>> linprocfs =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A04 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 4 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 >>> =A0 =A0 =A0100% =A0 =A0/usr/compat/linux/proc >>> /dev/md0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0789518 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 16 =A0 =A0 726342 =A0 =A0 =A00% >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0/tmp >>> >>> As you can see, root, which was once /dev/ad0s1a, is now >>> /dev/label/rootfs0, and /var, which was once /dev/ad0s1d, is now >>> /dev/label/var0. =A0Along with these changes the /etc/fstab was >>> automatically modified to allow the boot process to take place. =A0Can >>> someone give me a heads up as to what is going on here. >> >> Seems that you - or something - did make the switch from >> device names to labels. Maybe your kernel now includes >> GEOM functionality for work with labels? But I don't know >> of a process that changes /etc/fstab automatically... >> >> You can still use the device names for the /etc/fstab >> entries, you just need to make sure that you select >> the correct names (as you described above). Then there >> should be no problem as labels are optional. >> >> > > > Honestly, I certainly didn't make the change from device names to labels.= =A0I > wouldn't know how to do that, although I gather from what you've said tha= t > the kernel config file contains that information. =A0I'm not sure, howeve= r, > what you mean when you say that I can still use the device names, as the > system will not boot unless fstab has in it the entries shown above. FreeBSD is wonderful, don't get me wrong, but it is not magical. Partitions don't just accrue labels and /etc/fstab doesn't edit itself. Are you running PCBSD? Anyway, if you want to go back to device names in the /dev/ad0s1[a-g] scheme you can extract the correct names with: geom label list (you might want to pipe it into a pager) then edit your /etc/fstab accordingly and reboot. Although, why bother really? The label names may come in handy if you have to move the hdd to another machine to extract the information, or for various other reasons. --=20 -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 01:47:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF7121065673 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:47:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (b4.ebbed1.client.atlantech.net [209.190.235.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2938FC08 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:47:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.11] ([192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p1F1WnP5093649; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:32:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:32:49 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Hill To: ajtiM In-Reply-To: <201102141900.02996.lumiwa@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <201102141900.02996.lumiwa@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: android X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:47:29 -0000 On Mon, 14 Feb 2011, ajtiM wrote: > I bought HTC Inspire 4G phone and I lie to upload some mp3 files. When I > connected a phoe to the USB port I got: > > da4 at umass-sim1 bus 1 scbus3 target 0 lun 0 > da4: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device > da4: 40000 MB/s transfers > > How can I mount it, please? Your phone might be similar to my HTC Evo. In the phone, I had to go to Settings -> Connect to PC and set 'Default connection type' to 'Disk drive'. Once I did that, I could mount the phone in the same manner as a thumb drive. HTH. -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging <|> ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 01:48:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93445106566B for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:48:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elbbit@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2083C8FC22 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:48:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwf26 with SMTP id 26so5410794wwf.31 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:48:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OeIC5yA+xTdUT7ENO/xJTU75yFt0XoTD+qYKReqOQGo=; b=YrGcGttRjyXU6QKVcW5Ly5htER2squAJ2NW5X82pjy61L8hHTr6RHpfbgurd0kS5sZ Zl4wn14atI8wN2hAmYF6O+b84pwSmVG06+haYWoCLIa0iS/IGWvr8MF6EI9pa6womYB6 d5tgA41A09CZwWuAh2FiV2oXqAfLTTwsMvdWs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=BrbHumH/Zh4ODR5uUKE9kDheWL5QfDPYyh1Hhzi46G8bAWN1mlqYagXMqumEmk3T92 7dfn8IDT9Z1wPTEJfBAYDcBYdKp7cKr+gem9fTCkjBi3nyVY1YCL2F6fZUHHBoAlP3bp 9mYaQRd++ZiCCY50CQ6GKl/RBwk+TkNrNvAkI= Received: by 10.227.137.79 with SMTP id v15mr3271619wbt.196.1297734500790; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:48:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.177.27.172] ([212.183.128.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f27sm2383470wbf.13.2011.02.14.17.48.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:48:20 -0800 (PST) Sender: elbbit Message-ID: <4D59DB62.8030603@tibble.net> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:48:18 +0000 From: Simon Tibble User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101226 Icedove/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110214195811.E88C4106566C@hub.freebsd.org> <4D5996A3.4040602@tibble.net> <20110214211258.GA11557@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <4D59A2DF.2070604@tibble.net> <20110214234240.GB66413@guilt.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20110214234240.GB66413@guilt.hydra> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Invitation (waaaaay off-topic) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:48:22 -0000 On 14/02/11 23:42, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 09:47:11PM +0000, Simon Tibble wrote: >> On 14/02/11 21:12, David Kelly wrote: >>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 08:54:59PM +0000, Simon Tibble wrote: >>>> >>>> Now, see, I can't help thinking that if we all just abandoned money >>>> then the motivation for people to do this sort of thing would then >>>> disappear - would it not? >>> >>> Without money, how would we keep score to know who is winning? >> >> By measuring ones contribution. This can be quantified by creating a >> system whereby one's output is measured. It is not a credit system, >> rather a combination of reputation (feedback of others) and how much >> produce or time you effect. Try to think ebay without the money, and >> instead of leaving feedback after every transaction you only leave the >> feedback just once (how do you feel about the other person? good/bad). > > Broken. Won't work. It's too bureaucratic for too little (immediate) > return to catch on, and its bureaucracy would guarantee long-term > corruption. This sort of idea will take years to catch on and will be a gradual process. In fact, it has already started in the (primitive) form of free open-source software. As for the corruption, at least in a organised contribution based system all data will be available for all to see, unlike the corruption we have today. Personal preference: if I can have check-able corruption or hidden corruption - I'd choose check-able every time. In fact, I think you'd find people would come to the forefront by actually boasting they are the most sound people with solid principles as a result of it being open for audit by anyone at anytime. And because it relies on the opinion of others it would be a better framework to build on (see eBay's feedback system as an introduction to a the value of mass-opinion). > We'll probably evolve semi-naturally to a reputation based economy as > advancing technology eliminates a lot of basic-needs scarcity, but that's > just speculation. In the meantime, "money" is really nothing but a > scalable way to lubricate the process of trade. The more you centralize > the management of money (or its replacement), the less efficiently it > works -- and trying to quantify "contribution" through some uniform > system as you suggest would require absurd levels of centralization. Yes, it would be absurd to introduce it over night, but not more absurb than the proposed "Bankor" currency headed our way. It's probably just about the same amount of admin, only with a website it would eliminate the need for turning trees into notes/paper. Also, the people who control the current money efforts conduct their affairs behind closed doors and avoid scrutiny. In an open system people will be able to not only see the workings (the maths behind it) and they will also be able to vote on it and change it (mass opinion outweighs the individual). > If you really want to do away with money, the best way to do it is to > advance the state of the art of automation technology. You can do this > by contributing expertise, time, and money (in decreasing order of > importance) to copyfree [0] and open source [1] software development > projects such as FreeBSD. Trying to distract the people contributing to > such projects with pie-in-the-sky manifestations of song lyrics from the > early '70s [2] is actually counterproductive to that aim. Whilst I agree with you on most of this, I want to point out that the greatest portion of the available workforce are in front of Facebook drooling over Justin Beiber. The sooner the masses are awoken to the truth and shown that a different way of living is even possible, only then will we move in the most positive direction at the fastest speed possible. Hence, some think I "spam" simply because I am part of many who are attempting to raise awareness of this issue. There really is nothing more important that this non-utopian alternative life choice. >> But don't mind me. I'm a crazy man with random mumbles. > That's good advice. I should follow it. I believe American's use the word "kook". Is that right? (assuming your from the states) > # NOTES: > [0] http://copyfree.org Sorry dude, this is based on an inherently flawed "Law" system. Try to always remember that a "law" is just what one guy says another can or cannot do. > [1] http://www.opensource.org Top notch link dude. Awesome. Thanks! I am definitely reading this one. I'm ashamed to say I've read most of the open source docs, but not this one. > [2] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Imagine_(song) If we're referencing popular culture, I call on Bill Hicks to do my bidding: "The world is like a ride in an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it, you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time and they begin to question, is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey - don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride..." And we... kill those people. "We have a lot invested in this ride. Shut him up. Look at my furrows of worry. Look at my big bank account and my family. This just has to be real." Just a ride. But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok. But it doesn't matter because: It's just a ride. And we can change it anytime we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money. A choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love, instead, see all of us as one. Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money that we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace. Thank you very much, you've been great." Sorry to any and all for the waaaaay offtopicness. -- Simon Tibble simon@tibble.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 02:04:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7BC5106566B for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 02:04:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xnooby@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 689588FC12 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 02:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so13652bwz.13 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:04:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=vPYG6awjRY3nMHd3dSq7J9Xypjm7U1stwhLg+qyRJ34=; b=HRhr4QKdMdu3ROtnvle5vIs4+ZxIudgwy1YaCjhb0aS7QejFjXgm9DIegGUPsqCsog xhJJlIcsJqm7GrIfkEpGMfI+gbKAO2UH8bvqRd9RuJtOkppRSjleik5c+ZKsVzINOBkB 3hqvn10DTuMZKpiE8MMZUVGAsz8fxN1B2/osQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=IZWb6D4w1MPZda8x9jjto6HMmuYS4Etl3FCmS7ceMNA8xAaLjZcP/ON0YCIOOee4q+ ZSYYOpzzRwqyIb0uvl3KR4rXgt6zkCLiypH0Ue2kr1h+XrS8/jLUdG61wn+ZHQBIpJnt ke82N8nKoeE3/A/AY6ggpOxx/AVDNzmi4RMNo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.14.202 with SMTP id h10mr4005697bka.182.1297733826943; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:37:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.78.198 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:37:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:37:06 -0500 Message-ID: From: Xn Nooby To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: delay in boot: ata2: on atapci0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 02:04:19 -0000 I get about a 30 second delay during boot for each hard-drive connected to my PC. I'm running FreeBSD 8.1 AMD64 on an ASUS Sabertooth X58 motherboard. atapci0: [ITHREAD] ata2: on atapci0 ata2: [ITHREAD] ata3: on atapci0 Is there something I can define or disable to make these timeouts go faster? These lines get the delay: ata2: on atapci0 ata3: on atapci0 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 02:07:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D52106564A for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 02:07:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remegius@comcast.net) Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D62968FC08 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 02:07:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 81sg1g0041zF43QAC270ey; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 02:07:00 +0000 Received: from remegius.comcast.net ([67.180.204.190]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 826w1g01Z46zqiB8k26ysU; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 02:06:59 +0000 Message-ID: <4D59DFC0.7020008@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:06:56 -0800 From: Rem P Roberti User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110131 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "illoai@gmail.com" References: <4D59BCF4.2040209@remdog.net> <20110215011220.16606770.freebsd@edvax.de> <4D59C7AD.1070300@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Rem P Roberti , Polytropon , FreeBSD Subject: Re: Redux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 02:07:01 -0000 >>>> I need to ask this question again in the hopes that something will come >>>> of it. In the process of going through an update (I finally got that >>>> sorted out) all of my partitions were renamed. Here they are: >>>> >>>> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity >>>> Mounted on >>>> /dev/label/rootfs0 507630 326734 140286 70% >>>> / >>>> devfs 1 1 0 >>>> 100% /dev >>>> /dev/label/var0 1012974 170386 761552 18% >>>> /var >>>> /dev/label/usr0 33292236 9358560 21270298 31% >>>> /usr >>>> linprocfs 4 4 0 >>>> 100% /usr/compat/linux/proc >>>> /dev/md0 789518 16 726342 0% >>>> /tmp >>>> >>>> As you can see, root, which was once /dev/ad0s1a, is now >>>> /dev/label/rootfs0, and /var, which was once /dev/ad0s1d, is now >>>> /dev/label/var0. Along with these changes the /etc/fstab was >>>> automatically modified to allow the boot process to take place. Can >>>> someone give me a heads up as to what is going on here. >>> Seems that you - or something - did make the switch from >>> device names to labels. Maybe your kernel now includes >>> GEOM functionality for work with labels? But I don't know >>> of a process that changes /etc/fstab automatically... >>> >>> You can still use the device names for the /etc/fstab >>> entries, you just need to make sure that you select >>> the correct names (as you described above). Then there >>> should be no problem as labels are optional. >>> >>> >> >> Honestly, I certainly didn't make the change from device names to labels. I >> wouldn't know how to do that, although I gather from what you've said that >> the kernel config file contains that information. I'm not sure, however, >> what you mean when you say that I can still use the device names, as the >> system will not boot unless fstab has in it the entries shown above. > FreeBSD is wonderful, don't get me wrong, > but it is not magical. Partitions don't just > accrue labels and /etc/fstab doesn't edit > itself. > Are you running PCBSD? LOL! No, I'm running FreeBSD 8.1. I know that this all sounds too odd, but I swear that I never messed with renaming the partitions with labels. If you check back a few days you will see that I was having trouble with an update, and that's where all of this happened. > Anyway, if you want to go back to device names > in the /dev/ad0s1[a-g] scheme you can extract > the correct names with: > geom label list > (you might want to pipe it into a pager) > then edit your /etc/fstab accordingly and > reboot. > Although, why bother really? The label names > may come in handy if you have to move the hdd > to another machine to extract the information, > or for various other reasons. To tell the truth, I'm content to leave things as they are, but unfortunately one of the side effects of all this is that I can't figure out how create and entry in the fstab which will again allow me to mount my other hard drive. The former fstab entry for that was: /dev/ad1s1 /c ntfs rw 1 0 But now with labels active I really don't know how to proceed. Rem From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 03:25:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D7651065672 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 03:25:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD338FC13 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 03:25:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1F3PCFi013678; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:25:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p1F3PBEO013675; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:25:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:25:11 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Rem P Roberti In-Reply-To: <4D59DFC0.7020008@comcast.net> Message-ID: References: <4D59BCF4.2040209@remdog.net> <20110215011220.16606770.freebsd@edvax.de> <4D59C7AD.1070300@comcast.net> <4D59DFC0.7020008@comcast.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:25:12 -0700 (MST) Cc: Rem P Roberti , Polytropon , "illoai@gmail.com" , FreeBSD Subject: Re: Redux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 03:25:16 -0000 On Mon, 14 Feb 2011, Rem P Roberti wrote: > To tell the truth, I'm content to leave things as they are, but unfortunately > one of the side effects of all this is that I can't figure out how create and > entry in the fstab which will again allow me to mount my other hard drive. > The former fstab entry for that was: > > /dev/ad1s1 /c ntfs rw 1 0 > > But now with labels active I really don't know how to proceed. Labels just provide an alternate way to refer to a slice, or partition, or filesystem. They don't replace the normal device names. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 04:01:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1233) id E03A51065673; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 04:01:58 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 04:01:58 +0000 From: Alexander Best To: Xn Nooby Message-ID: <20110215040158.GA53728@freebsd.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: delay in boot: ata2: on atapci0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 04:01:59 -0000 On Mon Feb 14 11, Xn Nooby wrote: > I get about a 30 second delay during boot for each hard-drive > connected to my PC. I'm running FreeBSD 8.1 AMD64 on an ASUS > Sabertooth X58 motherboard. > > atapci0: [ITHREAD] > ata2: on atapci0 > ata2: [ITHREAD] > ata3: on atapci0 > > Is there something I can define or disable to make these timeouts go faster? > > These lines get the delay: > > ata2: on atapci0 > ata3: on atapci0 A) you can rebuild your kernel with options ATA_REQUEST_TIMEOUT=3 to reduce the timeout to 3 seconds. that should be enough for new hdds/controllers. B) or you could try switching from ATA(4) to CAM(4) via the ATA_CAM kernel option (see ATA(4) for an explanation). since you're running pretty new hardware and a recent fbsd version you would defenately benefit from switching to CAM(4). it has much better ahci support e.g. simply add options ATA_CAM to your kernel conf and your good to go after building installing the new kernel. also the probelm might be in your BIOS. be sure to deactivate all ATA channels which don't have a device connected to them. otherwise fbsd will look for one until the timeout gets hit (both in ATA(4) and CAM(4)). in fact you might want to check the bios before trying any of the steps A) or B), because this very likely seems to be the problem in your case. cheers. alex -- a13x From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 05:18:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274CB106566C for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 05:18:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from redcondor2.peak.org (redcondor2.peak.org [69.59.192.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03E18FC13 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 05:18:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from peak-mail-gateway.peak.org ([69.59.192.42]) by redcondor2.peak.org ({6c724cae-de34-4c5f-b615-3072b86419fa}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20110215051844431 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 05:18:44 +0000 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from oak.localnet (207.55.91.159.peak.org [207.55.91.159] (may be forged)) by peak-mail-gateway.peak.org (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id p1F5IfL2091122 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:18:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from oak.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oak.localnet (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA32C020 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:18:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from carlj@localhost) by oak.localnet (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p1F5IS2T090587; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:18:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) X-Authentication-Warning: oak.localnet: carlj set sender to carlj@peak.org using -f From: Carl Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D59BCF4.2040209@remdog.net> <20110215011220.16606770.freebsd@edvax.de> <4D59C7AD.1070300@comcast.net> <4D59DFC0.7020008@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:18:28 -0800 In-Reply-To: <4D59DFC0.7020008@comcast.net> (Rem P. Roberti's message of "Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:06:56 -0800") Message-ID: <878vxheuzf.fsf@oak.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Redux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 05:18:45 -0000 Rem P Roberti writes: > To tell the truth, I'm content to leave things as they are, but > unfortunately one of the side effects of all this is that I can't > figure out how create and entry in the fstab which will again allow me > to mount my other hard drive. The former fstab entry for that was: > > /dev/ad1s1 /c ntfs rw 1 0 > > But now with labels active I really don't know how to proceed. You can tell what the current labels are with the command 'glabel status', or 'glabel list' will give a much more detailed listing. -- Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 06:45:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E8E106564A for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 06:45:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xnooby@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFAD8FC1B for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 06:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so135866bwz.13 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:45:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ylcojq/Pu57FWLDzPvuzfgcTihYbwDppwQinTxj3+VY=; b=ovCgQoF8+JE9xAbrph6wiSX3xiRwrjdVz6/4rU2g+CYRITizY85VUeGvnbj2TpZw/u qd+fnDIdHObwOGxIIb5SxsR6c3xP+lPlYPJZRDKhwDiUEOXETpqw/PHfoLIZf/EM4zDc jVXSSRAsaB1/WYrherEuZNghmaG3TG46Zq3XI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tWHxFOJqbcSrFsDpO4Il50E/b4OFrT95FtPR0cIQK/DS1W/6dr70R6Y9/1JFoaXGe2 AU1oQCBMVaPD724xNKqv3TRxW2ZJkJTX24L1I442JBgy18rc4b8tfYLn8h30RrVT78eu EzSLq5r8B0z8T7PWu7zRNHIv3WixR03SZ9iKM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.101.133 with SMTP id c5mr21490006bko.124.1297752355952; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:45:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.73.213 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:45:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110215040158.GA53728@freebsd.org> References: <20110215040158.GA53728@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:45:55 -0500 Message-ID: From: Xn Nooby To: Alexander Best Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: delay in boot: ata2: on atapci0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 06:45:59 -0000 Hi Alex, I will double-check my BIOS, I thought I had unused ports disabled, but I might have missed some (it's a complex motherboard!). I probably wont recompile my kernel, because I think that would prohibit me from using the freebsd-update program. I can always just wait, it was a bigger problem when I had 6 drives in it. It almost seems to be pausing when it finds a drive, I have a CDROM and one HD in it now. On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Alexander Best wrot= e: > On Mon Feb 14 11, Xn Nooby wrote: >> I get about a 30 second delay during boot for each hard-drive >> connected to my PC. =A0I'm running FreeBSD 8.1 AMD64 on an ASUS >> Sabertooth X58 motherboard. >> >> atapci0: [ITHREAD] >> ata2: on atapci0 >> ata2: [ITHREAD] >> ata3: on atapci0 >> >> Is there something I can define or disable to make these timeouts go fas= ter? >> >> These lines get the delay: >> >> ata2: on atapci0 >> ata3: on atapci0 > > A) > you can rebuild your kernel with > > options =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0ATA_REQUEST_TIMEOUT=3D3 > > to reduce the timeout to 3 seconds. that should be enough for new > hdds/controllers. > > > B) > or you could try switching from ATA(4) to CAM(4) via the ATA_CAM kernel o= ption > (see ATA(4) for an explanation). since you're running pretty new hardware= and > a recent fbsd version you would defenately benefit from switching to CAM(= 4). it > has much better ahci support e.g. > > simply add > > options ATA_CAM > > to your kernel conf and your good to go after building installing the new > kernel. > > also the probelm might be in your BIOS. be sure to deactivate all ATA cha= nnels > which don't have a device connected to them. otherwise fbsd will look for= one > until the timeout gets hit (both in ATA(4) and CAM(4)). in fact you might= want > to check the bios before trying any of the steps A) or B), because this v= ery > likely seems to be the problem in your case. > > cheers. > alex > > -- > a13x > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 06:53:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F21F3106564A for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 06:53:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xnooby@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C4C8FC15 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 06:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so139145bwz.13 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:53:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=zE8VtinGXxbjSV4gd8ZUk4NmSMrWeRlO3xZUMS42gFg=; b=uT5zoozWyzDhn1WMsKsrirJut8d1vFW3waC+arY7m98VBgC/lOv7ZVDOEIxKj4a4Nx N+Jw6q50pi9aE0llZ7sf/PwZ/tJvVBDhRLF7Fbk6jA190ibDh340GbZOWI0U5k6EMJPO /Ar8y6InuTLOY3BPmH2tDbs16yZTdJQfokJpg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Dj52Y88BSRtWG34iHqz7clPIaTlYfDiImAJE4P01prG30Hb9NePzrFsO+7bPdzj0CS KX61Xm9wFRa4jhN6Ban0IEp/DkjMPlhBqmWSw3yM35FNgs+LZSgWXtF1CSTT2tw9qOmb rkMmnbLads6AFikzaQSd9b2iXyhZgyAXBb1o0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.140.208 with SMTP id j16mr20563858bku.151.1297752824591; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:53:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.73.213 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:53:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:53:44 -0500 Message-ID: From: Xn Nooby To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: What is the best way to image copy a FreeBSD system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 06:53:46 -0000 On Linux I use clonezilla, which understands the EXT3 filesystem, and it can skip unused space (I'm using about 3GB out of 1TB). On FreeBSD, I have to fill the 1TB drive with zero-filled files, then delete them, on each partiton, since CloneZilla uses DD+gzip on the entire drive. I like to make image copies of new systems, so I can revert back to my starting point in case I break it, but CloneZilla is taking 9 hours to image the drive. I can re-install a lot faster than that. I normally store my image copies on a Samba share on another system, they are stored as files. I am not copying to another raw drive. Is there an image-copy backup program that understands the UFS file-system? Or perhaps there is a better solution on FreeBSD? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 07:30:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0211065670 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 07:30:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alainfabry@belgacom.net) Received: from mailrelay008.isp.belgacom.be (mailrelay008.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.6.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720388FC08 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 07:30:27 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArYGAE6yWU3DDR9Z/2dsb2JhbACXSI8RvF6FXgSMAg Received: from 89.31-13-195.static.isp.belgacom.be (HELO localhost) ([195.13.31.89]) by relay.skynet.be with ESMTP; 15 Feb 2011 08:00:58 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:00:55 +0100 From: "Alain G. Fabry" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110215070055.GA5658@desmo.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: portsnap fetch corrupt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 07:30:28 -0000 Hello, Whenever I try to do a portsnap, it tels me metadata is corrupt. harley# portsnap fetch update Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 5 mirrors found. Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap5.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching snapshot metadata... done. Updating from Fri Feb 11 01:08:40 CET 2011 to Tue Feb 15 07:25:54 CET 2011. Fetching 3 metadata patches. done. Applying metadata patches... done. Fetching 3 metadata files... /usr/sbin/portsnap: cannot open d0fcac86ce12456d1bf6a63b3628725c24ea32d3e98d7d71280a7a9999681e17.gz: No such file or directory metadata is corrupt. I've already removed /var/db/portsnap directory, and redo the portsnap fetch, but the problem remains since several days now. What can I do to get this going again? Running FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE #0 Thanks, Alain From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 07:54:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428F5106566B for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 07:54:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from btillman99@yahoo.com) Received: from web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 03C318FC12 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 07:54:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 77518 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Feb 2011 07:28:05 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1297754885; bh=OIGPAY3vDsWOiqd+X2kiW63Dz07sjT3LvPf77QELTNo=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LT/XU0cAgjybsMHBjPpc91ehufln+TqvaAhq4uk0LLkSaeQHGpz+NAuMCfUOYm9AyvohiFg2T6QxwUe22blARRp7F6bJ0ryogEMRDW20DiAQXmVMNGKaNfGSR/orl8vdoEfQBS2qMBVRwfUBs82e99H0LPFQAfoftEHm0+7SE7s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KgXxJBcDkVFhJSCTydF7N3WGvorTZX9JFH6CfES7e1B6+kJhdLDOgH8eeJZ0zhgk6AG4+Pf+NVSRoU1IhI+Bl+J5Gu18gGxkXfEZBrXpvF9EydSpI3vyA4atnmO+B7X2xiDhLt38TW9EBUReRRZDGovut0RXio9WsPQNsZ7qw6A=; Message-ID: <549929.71522.qm@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: _Wh8FYQVM1nZQr4SCfmlDRZvMJP6p.3n0I80ncn4k5jdHsH FvrxZxsoUwsTgKBayLb3I0Brw3kcSbwTjoJDVNmye0dMxDlHN6vkVBIAJ32. jGDKUvAI.tkxjMMkfpUkCrA4hH0xdc4dMpOPNPPul2PdUaroaDBdw3KfGJUj aA5T2Kh6xrPDMDmtvYRZHuh3AWr5QziXHdHdFmD_WaDDjNDZQKtnQoyhKRVt WEbuda8fF9J86XtqCKhMO0FKSe7WAb7X2rpMrt0ATfuBhGEp.fhv62cAvvK. xek89o13rkG.7iyCqDDgS4NDAF5VsOwtbMfWEcSg6jdTH6BOg Received: from [98.242.233.74] by web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:28:05 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/555 YahooMailWebService/0.8.108.291010 References: <201102141900.02996.lumiwa@gmail.com> <4D59D7C8.40708@sentex.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:28:05 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Tillman To: Mike Tancsa , ajtiM In-Reply-To: <4D59D7C8.40708@sentex.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: android X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 07:54:47 -0000 I haven't mounted my Android yet on my FreeBSD servers but I would think th= e =0Aadvice below of mounting it like a MSDOS thumb drive would be correct.= I would =0Aalso think you'd need to use the "longname" switch as well on y= our command line. =0AOtherwise you'll be stuck with the old 8.3 filename fo= rmat limits.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Mike Ta= ncsa =0ATo: ajtiM =0ACc: freebsd-questio= ns@freebsd.org=0ASent: Mon, February 14, 2011 8:32:56 PM=0ASubject: Re: and= roid=0A=0AOn 2/14/2011 8:00 PM, ajtiM wrote:=0A> Hi!=0A> =0A> I bought HTC = Inspire 4G phone and I lie to upload some mp3 files. When I =0A> connected = a phoe to the USB port I got:=0A> =0A> da4 at umass-sim1 bus 1 scbus3 targe= t 0 lun 0=0A> da4: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 = device=0A> da4: 40000 MB/s transfers=0A> =0A> How can I mount it, please?= =0A=0ATry,=0A=A0=A0=A0 ls -l /dev/da4*=0A=0AYou will probably see /dev/da4s= 1 which is most likely msdos. If so, try=0Amount_msdosfs /dev/da4s1 /mnt=0A= =0A=A0=A0=A0 ---Mike=0A=0A-- =0A-------------------=0AMike Tancsa, tel +1 5= 19 651 3400=0ASentex Communications, mike@sentex.net=0AProviding Internet s= ervices since 1994 www.sentex.net=0ACambridge, Ontario Canada=A0 http://www= .tancsa.com/=0A_______________________________________________=0Afreebsd-qu= estions@freebsd.org mailing list=0Ahttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinf= o/freebsd-questions=0ATo unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-u= nsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0A=0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 08:36:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB1B1106564A for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:36:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C6818FC16 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.100]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 12AEA16B4A6; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 02:09:21 -0600 (CST) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 02:06:19 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 02:05:42 -0600 (CST) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@debranded.6dollardialup.com To: Xn Nooby In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20110215020340.W25772@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is the best way to image copy a FreeBSD system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:36:13 -0000 On Tue, 15 Feb 2011, Xn Nooby wrote: > Is there an image-copy backup program that understands the UFS > file-system? Or perhaps there is a better solution on FreeBSD? Perhaps I do not understand what you are trying to do, but dump and restore are the only sort-of bulletproof way to backup (copy, clone, move) and restore filesystems. Recipes can be found in the Handbook so you do not have to work out the switches for common tasks for yourself. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 08:50:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFDAD1065674 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:50:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B106F8FC1F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p1F8olla079479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:50:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p1F8olvx079478; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:50:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA06557; Tue, 15 Feb 11 00:41:41 PST Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:41:40 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: jacks@sage-american.com Message-Id: <4d5a3c44.+CfoJJXjdSH6DtYI%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <3.0.1.32.20110214163437.019167e0@sage-american.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20110214163437.019167e0@sage-american.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: script help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:50:48 -0000 "Jack L. Stone" wrote: > # find all of the same filenames (copyright.htm) and then replace > the year 2010 with 2011 in each file. Once I have a working > script, I should be able to add it as a cron job to run on the > first day of each new year. Before actually doing this, you might want to consult a copyright lawyer. Seems to me that merely claiming a more recent copyright date, having made no substantive change to the work for which the copyright is claimed, could be construed as a fraudulent claim. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 08:57:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA11106564A for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:57:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikmccaskey64@zoho.com) Received: from sender1.zohomail.com (sender1.zohomail.com [72.5.230.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 735158FC0A for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:57:02 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=zapps768; d=zoho.com; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; b=JKg6MqcdFNUEXmURa+NByLnS6cp+6oMdbbstTbqAxs82859VPH6SbFPcJekz22V75pGgO7NjYrt8 aWVLtLMeKxsZnkkSHGWb8dk9GSjH05Tgt6S/yM1jkBEjFLAg9Ert Received: from 172.29.249.242 (172.29.249.242 [172.29.249.242]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTP id 129776021843329.625365828846725; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:56:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:56:58 -0800 From: erikmccaskey64 To: "freebsd" Message-ID: <12e28896cd5.6574638108640039636.4001582758217268039@zoho.com> In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.20110214163437.019167e0@sage-american.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: Medium User-Agent: Zoho Mail X-Mailer: Zoho Mail Status: RO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: script help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:57:02 -0000 my little opinion: first run the changes on a backup, or a copy of the file= s: this one works under linux bash fedora: how to create a "shadow" of a folder [same filenames in another dir, but wi= th 0 Byte size] in the original, "A" directory: find . -type f > a.txt "B" directory: cat ../a.txt | while read file; do if [[ "$file" =3D */* ]]; then mkdir -p = "${file%/*}"; fi; touch "$file"; done so if something goes wrong, there would be no trouble ---- Be Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:11:19 -0800 Adam Vande More <amvandemore@gma= il.com> =C3=ADrta ----=20 On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Jack L. Stone <jacks@sage-american.com&= gt;wrote:=20 =20 > Hello folks:=20 >=20 > No doubt this will be easy for those with scritping abilities.=20 >=20 > I have a gazillion files by the same name and each contains the same l= ine=20 > requiring the same change. But the problem is that they are in many=20 > different directories on a server with numerous domains. While I could= =20 > handle the change using a single directory within my abilities, I'm un= sure=20 > how to do a search and replace throughout the many domains and their= =20 > directories. Don't want to mess up. Here's what I'm trying to do:=20 >=20 > # find all of the same filenames (copyright.htm) and then replace the = year=20 > 2010 with 2011 in each file. Once I have a working script, I should be= able=20 > to add it as a cron job to run on the first day of each new year.=20 >=20 > Any help appreciated.=20 >=20 =20 /usr/ports/misc/rpl=20 =20 --=20 Adam Vande More=20 _______________________________________________=20 freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=20 http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=20 To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= "=20 =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 09:11:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B47A106566B; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:11:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (unknown [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2DCC8FC1B; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ADDEE8399; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:11:30 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cran.org.uk; h=date:from :to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mail; bh=/hqsHR4DvMGN lJaimUuT1DeRkTg=; b=EVnvWO3nEkGkup/lM0wDRx3XZXj7TiJNSVwU5BM67oF5 Tuc4nv7moKUKRgp2fZ+gVNQb5z5Bv2y3RSlRq8Z/gFGAAlb0VMvcIZnN445CcT5r 6/ym3fIb3hNCpFxtDaQFj5IhTLwF71wv1L4EZwsjU1XlIgra8BhK8iu/F7ca5cQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cran.org.uk; h=date:from:to :cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=mail; b=y/7E2o C5fsNExsEKhaL1ahENcc1HwRGDxBMRfKlPo0c2WVjKZNRdnYXQhLbq612TuzjWfb GoqoMbp8/5RGk13U7CwV77hDpc1y1sL5qNSlWYeadfriJjQ4wKiuDroPHMlJT4Nn 6hma/J2MN1k1Yagi+uSfi373kkBAz/7NYjLBo= Received: from unknown (client-86-31-199-149.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com [86.31.199.149]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3507EE8397; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:11:30 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:11:22 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: Alexander Best Message-ID: <20110215091122.0000432e@unknown> In-Reply-To: <20110215040158.GA53728@freebsd.org> References: <20110215040158.GA53728@freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8cvs9 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Xn Nooby , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: delay in boot: ata2: on atapci0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:11:36 -0000 On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 04:01:58 +0000 Alexander Best wrote: > simply add > > options ATA_CAM > > to your kernel conf and your good to go after building installing the > new kernel. To get the benefits of AHCI I think it's better to use the ahci(4) driver instead of the CAM-ATA wrapper. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 10:20:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F86110656C0 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:20:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f42.google.com (mail-ww0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1758FC16 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:20:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwi17 with SMTP id 17so2895652wwi.1 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 02:20:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fmdH6EZbADa86eGjiUfX13563FoJHiKNCRKvTackq5I=; b=tQEio4FnNAKGIRGfV5OMz2RleL62kA5U56U/2vFXNFl8Kx0v68Ur4xQMTs361ZSKk2 NSvFHSEs+YRJ6PJf4PVGJjuoxh8VZGpip4JkOPEoYc9Ez5S1mpjCtxft9XficMgs/GdD gBn3xHaFPEntndcpRQd5aKHoNTlfr/CzluYOw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ODAPKCEW0Z7+e9hjHT7MORgNxV/homl3Mtb5qrYOigzDoHsv/8GgnhkR1BtNLPk5CR CQ6xfyAt2o3/cqRRUAFraXUnYUy7UP2Kisnb6v9NaK/7513sQaa4Fx/1Dt7h0KX1e8ss YEi7z/Rplx9wyVhae4ukTzBI2LGG1lHdNsopE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.56.65 with SMTP id l43mr512333wec.113.1297765232893; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 02:20:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.80.147 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 02:20:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110214235507.GA66554@guilt.hydra> References: <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> <20110213131051.00001ebf@unknown> <20110213085805.72f0132d@scorpio> <20110213164748.GB60459@guilt.hydra> <20110213181223.GD55168@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <7583C9E5-EA30-4C75-BDF7-C1BA123B8334@mac.com> <20110214235507.GA66554@guilt.hydra> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:20:32 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:20:34 -0000 On 14 February 2011 23:55, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 03:32:30PM -0800, Chuck Swiger wrote: >> >> >From what I understand (a quick review of wikipedia helps :), modern >> >flash cards are now typically rated for 100K writes, include ECC bits >> >to actually correct or at least detect errors and try to remap bad >> >blocks to unused blocks, and implement wear-leveling techniques of >> >varying degrees of effectiveness. >> >> Regards, >> -- >> -Chuck >> >> PS: Reposted from a NetBSD thread, was >> .... > > Just make sure you double-check the rating for the specific SSD storage > hardware you're actually using. =A0The fact the state of the art is bette= r > now than it was does not mean you are using state of the art hardware. > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > We have the main DB server on our portal running directly on some of these http://www.oracle.com/us/043970.pdf. Its a high volume site so we really needed the speed. They are supposed to last 6 years but we shall see. We have the 1 TB version, all mirrored giving us 500 GB. We run solaris 10 on top with zfs, so we should see any data corruption very quickly if it starts to happen. The cluster has been running for about a year now From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 10:22:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBAA10656A4 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:22:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andreev.peter@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9739D8FC14 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywl2 with SMTP id 2so1457ywl.13 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 02:22:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RLd0Lkoq1+Ju6lQPEyDCqzAQip/SndiqcuvNrpkJDtA=; b=vGI6C2PZxHstJXIzOK1xWz+jBh4+XMoHma66D7nTiuS8ktbAqZQh66ZR3G1TuUr10f dtR/+xGw7j5FHikHOK3rcxht4cKqo/tHQBTWqps/m/yxemUYKcAeFdgPPzj6vKtXQ2+C vT5c7jcK9DQ2G8tdxDDBIaG8fXEmb3qX2BwFg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=H0HfmLWv3fM2+F0u7DocZC4+aY96Ib2NZPSKTR9XQkEuWxNw85shnZyWDf7cAbvegX mOp5UNZVBEwwdp8kZB+9BiSSSQXvdk0CpTLeu2iuUXtskzaI+SoGczcPAGUkNEdZMCoB E2y7TShGtH6+oOiQSLrqVzaw90LI3CmtE+CBY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.199.4 with SMTP id b4mr3450070agq.157.1297763832583; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:57:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.141.16 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:57:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <12e28896cd5.6574638108640039636.4001582758217268039@zoho.com> References: <3.0.1.32.20110214163437.019167e0@sage-american.com> <12e28896cd5.6574638108640039636.4001582758217268039@zoho.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:57:12 +0300 Message-ID: From: Peter Andreev To: freebsd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: script help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:22:53 -0000 Use of "xargs" on many files will be much faster than "find...exec" constru= ction find / -type f -name copyright.htm | xargs sed -i .bak -e 's/2010/2011/g' 2011/2/15 erikmccaskey64 : > my little opinion: first run the changes on a backup, or a copy of the fi= les: > > this one works under linux bash fedora: > how to create a "shadow" of a folder [same filenames in another dir, but = with 0 Byte size] > > > in the original, "A" directory: > find . -type f > a.txt > > > "B" directory: > cat ../a.txt | while read file; do if [[ "$file" =3D */* ]]; then mkdir -= p "${file%/*}"; fi; touch "$file"; done > > > > > so if something goes wrong, there would be no trouble > > ---- Be Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:11:19 -0800 Adam Vande More <amvandemore@g= mail.com> =EDrta ---- > > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Jack L. Stone <jacks@sage-american.co= m>wrote: > > > Hello folks: > > > > No doubt this will be easy for those with scritping abilities. > > > > I have a gazillion files by the same name and each contains the same= line > > requiring the same change. But the problem is that they are in many > > different directories on a server with numerous domains. While I cou= ld > > handle the change using a single directory within my abilities, I'm = unsure > > how to do a search and replace throughout the many domains and their > > directories. Don't want to mess up. Here's what I'm trying to do: > > > > # find all of the same filenames (copyright.htm) and then replace th= e year > > 2010 with 2011 in each file. Once I have a working script, I should = be able > > to add it as a cron job to run on the first day of each new year. > > > > Any help appreciated. > > > > /usr/ports/misc/rpl > > -- > Adam Vande More > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > --=20 -- AP From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 11:49:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08572106566B for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:49:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09F28FC0C for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:49:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yie19 with SMTP id 19so30107yie.13 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 03:49:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.52.7 with SMTP id z7mr5815984ybz.100.1297770558704; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 03:49:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-070-216-068.nc.res.rr.com [71.70.216.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q31sm2400337yba.3.2011.02.15.03.49.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 15 Feb 2011 03:49:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D218AE54833; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 06:49:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 06:49:14 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110215064914.5e579dba@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20110215070055.GA5658@desmo.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> References: <20110215070055.GA5658@desmo.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: portsnap fetch corrupt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:49:20 -0000 On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:00:55 +0100 Alain G. Fabry articulated: > Hello, > > Whenever I try to do a portsnap, it tels me metadata is corrupt. > > harley# portsnap fetch update > Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 5 mirrors found. > Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap5.FreeBSD.org... done. > Fetching snapshot metadata... done. > Updating from Fri Feb 11 01:08:40 CET 2011 to Tue Feb 15 07:25:54 CET > 2011. Fetching 3 metadata patches. done. > Applying metadata patches... done. > Fetching 3 metadata files... /usr/sbin/portsnap: cannot open > d0fcac86ce12456d1bf6a63b3628725c24ea32d3e98d7d71280a7a9999681e17.gz: > No such file or directory metadata is corrupt. > > > I've already removed /var/db/portsnap directory, and redo the > portsnap fetch, but the problem remains since several days now. > > What can I do to get this going again? > > Running FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE #0 That annoying problem pops up once or twice a month on my machines also. It appears to be, although I have never taken the time to confirm it, dependent on what URL portsnap is attempting to download from. The problem usually goes away in 24 to 72 hours. As far as I can tell, it does not require any user intervention; although I suppose you could try playing around with it. Honestly, the vicissitude of "portsnap" is something that I have become accustomed to. I just ran portsnap and got this output: Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 5 mirrors found. Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap5.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching snapshot metadata... done. Updating from Mon Feb 14 06:59:32 EST 2011 to Tue Feb 15 06:30:44 EST 2011. Fetching 3 metadata patches.. done. Applying metadata patches... done. Fetching 0 metadata files... done. Fetching 66 patches.....10....20....30....40....50....60... done. Applying patches... done. Fetching 4 new ports or files... done. Removing old files and directories... done. Possible the problem has all ready dissipated. -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ Gravity is a myth, the Earth sucks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 11:57:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E598210656A3 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:57:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7FD48FC1A for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:57:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so72893iwn.13 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 03:57:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :message-id; bh=oJc3MVmi6/dAmuNQWLvyTfRnM65c2M0TipdxZ7OaDZg=; b=Fio0Kriz7FrgjKTi/mdnog6wMC4KcaljJLfIzMND9yRUgYy9sEtOnIbqYk6p3nnvIN uu56rmcR0/3HlMPqMNDO377ttp6tefdxLsk6NKBz9C4LczpBizAq6F5zDKkINhtCHQFz Ko+c9rzp0EqW/r+9hegnIAoIbHILwKKCnrGBc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=gfU0wcHSzMtEjfE7kazeEQUuA1FyjbE+Fx46F6S4DXHPJqoNLHjq4/8sviWG9nAKrc 4t6mf68fQJ9DvYjkZF87x8Mb1Hfu6cUDsQIVBhjIw+xDokvX4YcXMmBUsJTKQWfTst+g mMuiz1erTNFxPHUvtC8xFwYMNAvF1i9Av2Epg= Received: by 10.42.167.138 with SMTP id s10mr6729146icy.201.1297771061002; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 03:57:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.wi.rr.com (cpe-184-58-138-79.wi.res.rr.com [184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ca7sm3159489icb.12.2011.02.15.03.57.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 15 Feb 2011 03:57:40 -0800 (PST) From: ajtiM To: "illoai@gmail.com" Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 05:57:33 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.1-RELEASE; KDE/4.5.5; i386; ; ) References: <201102141900.02996.lumiwa@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201102150557.33693.lumiwa@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: android X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:57:42 -0000 On Monday February 14 2011 19:28:54 illoai@gmail.com wrote: > On 14 February 2011 20:00, ajtiM wrote: > > Hi! > > > > I bought HTC Inspire 4G phone and I lie to upload some mp3 files. When I > > connected a phoe to the USB port I got: > > > > da4 at umass-sim1 bus 1 scbus3 target 0 lun 0 > > da4: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device > > da4: 40000 MB/s transfers > > > > How can I mount it, please? > > Probably (though not certainly) > mount -t msdosfs /dev/da4s1 /mnt I did what you suggested but it doesn't works: no such fles or directory. Mitja -------- http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 12:03:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7CD4106566B for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:03:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC9E8FC0C for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb26 with SMTP id 26so5910208iyb.13 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 04:03:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :message-id; bh=mXgRbF5foAJo954yv2x8eSiaUuzi7UH5rLOzy8L0lGo=; b=S4+IaEbr5w+M58CdLzl93LJNYNDhjt2hwnkbcm57dum5ivO6owuUijIxul1dA0RJTT 8ItTLdJjfafmM07Y9uIrTnnCjXhLWu6ag1SmcU87ZS5Y13JmseqkscFZ9BwI8fYAeo79 YzRfZ4IP9f7Z6/cmrE2EGugc3WbPLZywrm+TI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=LPcfpRATbSQrwl6+PccuDhzCbfe+HeXbriqlZcHGzI/pT0xH++2SuPhJ8tCSSvo2oJ 639/KAUpOG9VagCqLhrgZI2+5PFtFL8dha9EQ0CFiunlX91/+b339wRqR0yyrH7jA8ON /tzS8P/6pR+6bFXw+d4u6C41gFkyptQm23BGY= Received: by 10.42.213.7 with SMTP id gu7mr6502198icb.309.1297771387833; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 04:03:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.wi.rr.com (cpe-184-58-138-79.wi.res.rr.com [184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ey6sm3162452icb.5.2011.02.15.04.03.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 15 Feb 2011 04:03:07 -0800 (PST) From: ajtiM To: Chris Hill Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 06:03:00 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.1-RELEASE; KDE/4.5.5; i386; ; ) References: <201102141900.02996.lumiwa@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201102150603.00697.lumiwa@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: android X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:03:08 -0000 On Monday February 14 2011 19:32:49 Chris Hill wrote: > On Mon, 14 Feb 2011, ajtiM wrote: > > I bought HTC Inspire 4G phone and I lie to upload some mp3 files. When I > > connected a phoe to the USB port I got: > > > > da4 at umass-sim1 bus 1 scbus3 target 0 lun 0 > > da4: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device > > da4: 40000 MB/s transfers > > > > How can I mount it, please? > > Your phone might be similar to my HTC Evo. In the phone, I had to go to > Settings -> Connect to PC and set 'Default connection type' to 'Disk > drive'. Once I did that, I could mount the phone in the same manner as a > thumb drive. > > HTH. > > -- > Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org > ** [ Busy Expunging <|> ] I did and I mount -t msdosfs /dev/da4s1 /mnt and I got no such fles or directory. Thanks. Mitja -------- http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 12:04:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFDD610656A8 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:04:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alainfabry@belgacom.net) Received: from mailrelay011.isp.belgacom.be (mailrelay011.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.6.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9998FC20 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:04:24 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAFL5WU3DDR9Z/2dsb2JhbACmULwahV4EjAI Received: from 89.31-13-195.static.isp.belgacom.be (HELO localhost) ([195.13.31.89]) by relay.skynet.be with ESMTP; 15 Feb 2011 13:04:21 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:04:16 +0100 From: "Alain G. Fabry" To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110215120331.GA23175@desmo.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> References: <20110215070055.GA5658@desmo.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> <20110215064914.5e579dba@scorpio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110215064914.5e579dba@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: portsnap fetch corrupt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:04:26 -0000 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 06:49:14AM -0500, Jerry wrote: > On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:00:55 +0100 > Alain G. Fabry articulated: > > > Hello, > > > > Whenever I try to do a portsnap, it tels me metadata is corrupt. > > > > harley# portsnap fetch update > > Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 5 mirrors found. > > Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap5.FreeBSD.org... done. > > Fetching snapshot metadata... done. > > Updating from Fri Feb 11 01:08:40 CET 2011 to Tue Feb 15 07:25:54 CET > > 2011. Fetching 3 metadata patches. done. > > Applying metadata patches... done. > > Fetching 3 metadata files... /usr/sbin/portsnap: cannot open > > d0fcac86ce12456d1bf6a63b3628725c24ea32d3e98d7d71280a7a9999681e17.gz: > > No such file or directory metadata is corrupt. > > > > > > I've already removed /var/db/portsnap directory, and redo the > > portsnap fetch, but the problem remains since several days now. > > > > What can I do to get this going again? > > > > Running FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE #0 > > That annoying problem pops up once or twice a month on my machines > also. It appears to be, although I have never taken the time to confirm > it, dependent on what URL portsnap is attempting to download from. The > problem usually goes away in 24 to 72 hours. As far as I can tell, it > does not require any user intervention; although I suppose you could > try playing around with it. Honestly, the vicissitude of "portsnap" is > something that I have become accustomed to. > > I just ran portsnap and got this output: > > Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 5 mirrors found. > Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap5.FreeBSD.org... done. > Fetching snapshot metadata... done. > Updating from Mon Feb 14 06:59:32 EST 2011 to Tue Feb 15 06:30:44 EST 2011. > Fetching 3 metadata patches.. done. > Applying metadata patches... done. > Fetching 0 metadata files... done. > Fetching 66 patches.....10....20....30....40....50....60... done. > Applying patches... done. > Fetching 4 new ports or files... done. > Removing old files and directories... done. > > Possible the problem has all ready dissipated. > > -- I just tried and the problem remains, I've seen this for +2 weeks now, that's why I believe it might be another issue. harley# rm -R /var/db/portsnap harley# mkdir /var/db/portsnap harley# portsnap fetch Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 5 mirrors found. Fetching public key from portsnap5.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap5.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching snapshot metadata... done. Fetching snapshot generated at Tue Feb 15 01:11:54 CET 2011: 6894de6c5ce6ec6f3d8edb291e78cfb62c96f77a944887100% of 64 MB 871 kBps 00m00s Extracting snapshot... done. Verifying snapshot integrity... done. Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap5.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching snapshot metadata... done. Updating from Tue Feb 15 01:11:54 CET 2011 to Tue Feb 15 12:42:07 CET 2011. Fetching 3 metadata patches. done. Applying metadata patches... done. Fetching 3 metadata files... /usr/sbin/portsnap: cannot open 9625c296a4dfb1bc8e285b117c77ea6a9ce389dba368b91fa39918d2fe208d5b.gz: No such file or directory metadata is corrupt. Thanks, > Jerry ??? > FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net > > Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. > Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. > __________________________________________________________________ > Gravity is a myth, the Earth sucks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 12:25:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8C3106564A for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:25:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61688FC08 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:25:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p5B22DCAD.dip.t-dialin.net [91.34.220.173]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p1FCPeSY098362 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:25:41 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p1FCPU2B040866 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:25:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p1FCPQoW094547 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:25:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201102151225.p1FCPQoW094547@fire.js.berklix.net> To: FreeBSD From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:31:24 PST." <4D58237C.8090208@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:25:26 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Subject: Re: Stuck X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:25:44 -0000 > Where do > I locate the kernel config file? Adding options INCLUDE_CONFIG_FILE to /sys/i386/conf/GENERIC or /sys/amd64/conf/ allows config -x /boot/kernel/kernel Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text; Not quoted-printable, Not HTML, Not base 64. Reply below text sections not at top, to avoid breaking cumulative context. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 13:41:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 593C0106564A for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:41:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 179088FC0C for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:41:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-143-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.143.131]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BEA83CEF6; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:41:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p1FDftoe001586; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:41:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:41:55 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Message-Id: <20110215144155.7eacbb0e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4D59BCF4.2040209@remdog.net> <20110215011220.16606770.freebsd@edvax.de> <4D59C7AD.1070300@comcast.net> <4D59DFC0.7020008@comcast.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Redux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:41:58 -0000 On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:25:11 -0700 (MST), Warren Block wrote: > Labels just provide an alternate way to refer to a slice, or partition, > or filesystem. They don't replace the normal device names. It's worth mentioning that the /etc/fstab mechanisms for mounting can work with ANY of the "identification names" for meddia at the same time, this means you can mount one drive (or even partition) as /dev/ad0s1d, the next one as /dev/label/home, the next one as /dev/ufsid/1234567890 and so on. One doesn't replace the other. The really handy thing about labels is that the drive's position during the recognition by the system (ad0, ad1, ad2, ...) doesn't matter. Say you move the hard drive from a defective controller (ad0) to a PCI replacement controller (ad4), labels won't change, and booting would happen as usual. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 13:51:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6E8106567A for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:51:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A488FC18 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-143-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.143.131]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 899B63CEE2; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:51:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p1FDpeCd001613; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:51:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:51:39 +0100 From: Polytropon To: ajtiM Message-Id: <20110215145139.ac6c74d9.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <201102150557.33693.lumiwa@gmail.com> References: <201102141900.02996.lumiwa@gmail.com> <201102150557.33693.lumiwa@gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: android X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:51:42 -0000 On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 05:57:33 -0600, ajtiM wrote: > I did what you suggested but it doesn't works: > no such fles or directory. According to your dmesg output da4 at umass-sim1 bus 1 scbus3 target 0 lun 0 da4: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device da4: 40000 MB/s transfers the da4 device is the correct one. Check which access files are created: # ls -l /dev/da4* You can check the partitioning of the da4 device with # fdisk da4 which should show you what kind of partitions are available to access, and what type they are of. If you see a FAT partition, it will probably be /dev/da4s1, so (including security means, just for testing): # mount -t msdosfs -o ro /dev/da4s1 /mnt should mount it read-only. You can also use a per-filsystem identification using # file - < /dev/da4s1 for proper identification (at least this works with partitions containing UFS filesystems, no idea about FAT stuff). Check dmesg output in parallel to see if the Android didn't cut the wire due to a timeout. Take one step after another: First identify what is available, then identify it, and finally mount it for testing. If it all works, make a permanent option (e. g. in /etc/fstab) for it if you want. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 13:58:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91AAC106566C for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:58:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (unknown [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C0D88FC1C for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:58:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD9CE8399; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:58:33 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cran.org.uk; h=date:from :to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mail; bh=ZBXzcas8i8Xt LCgetSd3lfu3ueA=; b=lZkKp1Y92884jwrgtqgXcXkh996DeZnJhjwT0EsoamLv k75SdxBIzvrNsLOO3w40IqrEp+74x7Ua7gGMkrU12mRBGzbpFthG0J9HN9pWRdnJ bCqKwTer9rY2jP2EOv2j8zPyAjfoeAQugxpMLbHN1UiMpijo5HmiCDaaGHzW0I4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cran.org.uk; h=date:from:to :cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=mail; b=RenExG 3pBkOr+nTQpaU+hvHxcdmGCbIDvZk1nipOje52VE9aaR40b027Fu3UNOrjllrMhz bSFIFKpKzuDbrjeQSu/6DYyI44sUb44oMtVL0CT3+A6F4uAIJkFt73h5oWuLT+nP Wia7jLZdFZpHPUvwRAwoZu8yz9wU/kF0y8004= Received: from unknown (client-86-31-199-149.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com [86.31.199.149]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DAF26E8395; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:58:32 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:58:24 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20110215135824.0000566a@unknown> In-Reply-To: <20110215145139.ac6c74d9.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <201102141900.02996.lumiwa@gmail.com> <201102150557.33693.lumiwa@gmail.com> <20110215145139.ac6c74d9.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8cvs9 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ajtiM , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: android X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:58:45 -0000 On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:51:39 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > You can check the partitioning of the da4 device with > > # fdisk da4 "gpart show da4" is the modern way of doing this. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 14:24:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1E61065670 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:24:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1DF8FC15 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:24:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-143-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.143.131]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D581E452; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:24:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p1FEOgex001738; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:24:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:24:42 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Bruce Cran Message-Id: <20110215152442.0d1c6ba7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110215135824.0000566a@unknown> References: <201102141900.02996.lumiwa@gmail.com> <201102150557.33693.lumiwa@gmail.com> <20110215145139.ac6c74d9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110215135824.0000566a@unknown> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: android X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:24:44 -0000 On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:58:24 +0000, Bruce Cran wrote: > On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:51:39 +0100 > Polytropon wrote: > > > You can check the partitioning of the da4 device with > > > > # fdisk da4 > > "gpart show da4" is the modern way of doing this. Yes, if supported by the system's kernel configuration. I'm not sure if it is part of the GENERIC kernel in 8+. On systems without GEOM functionality, it won't work. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 14:45:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1FE1065674 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:45:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from mail.sagedata.net (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35B9E8FC14 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:45:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SAGEPLACE (sageweb.net [65.68.247.73]) by mail.sagedata.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id p1FEjEbT051731; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:45:14 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.sagedata.net: Host sageweb.net [65.68.247.73] claimed to be SAGEPLACE Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20110215084511.018b44f8@sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@sage-american.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:45:11 -0600 To: perryh@pluto.rain.com From: "Jack L. Stone" In-Reply-To: <4d5a3c44.+CfoJJXjdSH6DtYI%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <3.0.1.32.20110214163437.019167e0@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110214163437.019167e0@sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Greylist: Message whitelisted by Sendmail access database, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:45:14 -0600 (CST) X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/1.15.388 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:45:14 -0600 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-10.00 required=4.50 X-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-10.0 points, 4.5 required) | | pts rule name description | ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- | -0.0 SHORTCIRCUIT Not all rules were run, due to a shortcircuited rule | -10 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP | Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: script help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:45:15 -0000 At 12:41 AM 2/15/2011 -0800, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: >"Jack L. Stone" wrote: > >> # find all of the same filenames (copyright.htm) and then replace >> the year 2010 with 2011 in each file. Once I have a working >> script, I should be able to add it as a cron job to run on the >> first day of each new year. > >Before actually doing this, you might want to consult a copyright >lawyer. Seems to me that merely claiming a more recent copyright >date, having made no substantive change to the work for which the >copyright is claimed, could be construed as a fraudulent claim. >_______________________________________________ Wow! You wandered way off the trail. I own the tech magazine I founded 23 years ago and we publish monthly to 214 countries. I hav also practiced law for my companies for nearly 40 years, so quit worrying about that stuff. I just need script help, not other than that. Jack (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 14:46:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0251065693 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:46:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2AD88FC22 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:46:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p5B22D05E.dip.t-dialin.net [91.34.208.94]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p1FEkCOr099719; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:46:13 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p1FEk2iV041596; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:46:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p1FEjlVr095966; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:45:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201102151445.p1FEjlVr095966@fire.js.berklix.net> To: perryh@pluto.rain.com From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:41:40 PST." <4d5a3c44.+CfoJJXjdSH6DtYI%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:45:47 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: script help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:46:16 -0000 Hi, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > "Jack L. Stone" wrote: > > > # find all of the same filenames (copyright.htm) and then replace > > the year 2010 with 2011 in each file. Once I have a working > > script, I should be able to add it as a cron job to run on the > > first day of each new year. > > Before actually doing this, you might want to consult a copyright > lawyer. Seems to me that merely claiming a more recent copyright > date, having made no substantive change to the work for which the > copyright is claimed, could be construed as a fraudulent claim. One might also want to Not delete the earliest Copyright date. Numerous commercial firms lists several copyright years in same file or product start up. When I was editing some of my stuff recently, I decided to leave first & last year in, dont know if thats correct though. I suppose if one really wanted to know what's correct, one could search & read Bern (Switzerland) International Copyright Convention. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text; Not quoted-printable, Not HTML, Not base 64. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 14:53:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72ED5106564A for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:53:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FDE8FC13 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwf26 with SMTP id 26so257064wwf.31 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 06:53:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=vxmagEPfHg7cSCvn9tO1WVCZXmwOdGJGf8O5ESKFQ/s=; b=OvRyqM6Ka7yKh933d5CryT45aTqaArYHdgGNqt5MJ2jqBunUnvt+3uAJQdrBIw+L6O WwPoDrQA0k3ASAoK49qP5z3uanobbtwWoUkVHmiEGcOULSgx5seSSG62PZ8BtaADxxYv 4LYeFRrM9zNs3uezfNkI1CYmsxLxyO3h7Y0lI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=As9KQIjZssVCZB4YmHaTRXleuDW6cpEMyqh++UR7U1QftK3+q8O2htQWdWrj0Sm00i EB/LD9GXRbK9oEYilnF/1uBkB/j00Dn0XB2mXnbexGVJS/YYQ9PppGdJ4qASguQTp7cm z8Eiv0PIAqTcwEa4ceC327SqfcCCzV1Y1K0XU= Received: by 10.227.165.6 with SMTP id g6mr3806099wby.181.1297781623706; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 06:53:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o6sm2838841wbo.3.2011.02.15.06.53.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 15 Feb 2011 06:53:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:53:35 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110215145335.5f666400@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.20110214163437.019167e0@sage-american.com> <12e28896cd5.6574638108640039636.4001582758217268039@zoho.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: script help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:53:45 -0000 On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:57:12 +0300 Peter Andreev wrote: > Use of "xargs" on many files will be much faster than "find...exec" > construction This is a surprisingly common myth. exec can pass single or multiple arguments according to whether you use ";" or "+" > > find / -type f -name copyright.htm | xargs sed -i .bak -e > 's/2010/2011/g' This is much less safe on FreeBSD than it is with the GNU versions because print0 is required for paths with spaces. find ... -print0 | xargs -0 ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 15:07:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA9D1106564A for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:07:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2378FC08 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:07:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p1FF131J091375; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:01:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id p1FF132N091374; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:01:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:01:03 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Xn Nooby Message-ID: <20110215150103.GC91208@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is the best way to image copy a FreeBSD system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:07:22 -0000 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 01:53:44AM -0500, Xn Nooby wrote: > On Linux I use clonezilla, which understands the EXT3 filesystem, and > it can skip unused space (I'm using about 3GB out of 1TB). > > On FreeBSD, I have to fill the 1TB drive with zero-filled files, then > delete them, on each partiton, since CloneZilla uses DD+gzip on the > entire drive. > > I like to make image copies of new systems, so I can revert back to my > starting point in case I break it, but CloneZilla is taking 9 hours to > image the drive. I can re-install a lot faster than that. My suggestion would be to do the slicing/partitioning on the copy and then use dump/restore on each partition from the new drive to the copy drive. A dd image is not really all that good a way to do it. It just produces a sector by sector copy which is not efficient. The dump/restore produces what you want which is an efficient runable system on the copy disk. Once you get the dump/restore finished, you could use rsync periodically to keep it up to date. Actually you could use rsync to do all the copying on to the prepartitioned copy drive, but I would prefer dump/restore. > I normally store my image copies on a Samba share on another system, > they are stored as files. I am not copying to another raw drive. In that case, use dump(8) to create those files and store them where-ever you wish. > > Is there an image-copy backup program that understands the UFS > file-system? Or perhaps there is a better solution on FreeBSD? As mentioned above, dump(8)/restore(8) is made for that. ////jerry > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 15:20:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1233) id 1902C1065670; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:20:43 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:20:43 +0000 From: Alexander Best To: Jerry McAllister Message-ID: <20110215152043.GA30298@freebsd.org> References: <20110215150103.GC91208@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110215150103.GC91208@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Cc: Xn Nooby , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is the best way to image copy a FreeBSD system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:20:43 -0000 On Tue Feb 15 11, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 01:53:44AM -0500, Xn Nooby wrote: > > > On Linux I use clonezilla, which understands the EXT3 filesystem, and > > it can skip unused space (I'm using about 3GB out of 1TB). > > > > On FreeBSD, I have to fill the 1TB drive with zero-filled files, then > > delete them, on each partiton, since CloneZilla uses DD+gzip on the > > entire drive. > > > > I like to make image copies of new systems, so I can revert back to my > > starting point in case I break it, but CloneZilla is taking 9 hours to > > image the drive. I can re-install a lot faster than that. > > My suggestion would be to do the slicing/partitioning on the copy > and then use dump/restore on each partition from the new drive to > the copy drive. > > > A dd image is not really all that good a way to do it. > > It just produces a sector by sector copy which is not efficient. > The dump/restore produces what you want which is an efficient runable system > on the copy disk. > > Once you get the dump/restore finished, you could use rsync periodically > to keep it up to date. Actually you could use rsync to do all the > copying on to the prepartitioned copy drive, but I would prefer dump/restore. > > > > I normally store my image copies on a Samba share on another system, > > they are stored as files. I am not copying to another raw drive. > > In that case, use dump(8) to create those files and store them > where-ever you wish. > > > > > Is there an image-copy backup program that understands the UFS > > file-system? Or perhaps there is a better solution on FreeBSD? > > As mentioned above, dump(8)/restore(8) is made for that. +1 i used something like "(dump -L -0f - /)|(cd /mnt/image ; restore -rf -)" to migrate my root partition onto a new disk. just be sure to *not* use pax(1). i fell for it once and ran into a lot of problems, because it doesn't preserve all data (such as chflags(1) e.g.). cheers. alex ps: if you still want to do a sector by sector copy, have a look at recoverdisk(1). it's really great in trying to recover every last bit on semi broken devices. > > ////jerry > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- a13x From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 15:37:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195301065672 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:37:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2B08FC08 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:37:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1FFbvc7016092; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:37:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p1FFbudl016089; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:37:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:37:56 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Xn Nooby In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:37:57 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is the best way to image copy a FreeBSD system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:37:58 -0000 On Tue, 15 Feb 2011, Xn Nooby wrote: > On Linux I use clonezilla, which understands the EXT3 filesystem, and > it can skip unused space (I'm using about 3GB out of 1TB). > > On FreeBSD, I have to fill the 1TB drive with zero-filled files, then > delete them, on each partiton, since CloneZilla uses DD+gzip on the > entire drive. Some of the development versions of Clonezilla do understand UFS. It's been a few months since I looked at this, and I need to go back and figure out exactly which. > Is there an image-copy backup program that understands the UFS > file-system? Or perhaps there is a better solution on FreeBSD? Others have already mentioned good points of dump and restore. They can be used even on mounted partitions, so the system can stay up while a backup is running. Some scripting could make restores as easy as Clonezilla. A bare-metal restore could be made from a modified FreeBSD install CD. Partition the target disk (interactively or not), locate the dump files, restore them, then do any interactive fixup needed. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 15:55:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D22106566B for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:55:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from mail.sagedata.net (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71EB28FC4C for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:55:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SAGEPLACE (sageweb.net [65.68.247.73]) by mail.sagedata.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id p1FFtjq6053476; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:55:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.sagedata.net: Host sageweb.net [65.68.247.73] claimed to be SAGEPLACE Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20110215095543.018c2ac8@sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@sage-american.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:55:43 -0600 To: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Jack L. Stone" In-Reply-To: <20110215145335.5f666400@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <3.0.1.32.20110214163437.019167e0@sage-american.com> <12e28896cd5.6574638108640039636.4001582758217268039@zoho.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Greylist: Message whitelisted by Sendmail access database, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:55:45 -0600 (CST) X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/1.15.388 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:55:45 -0600 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-10.00 required=4.50 X-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-10.0 points, 4.5 required) | | pts rule name description | ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- | -0.0 SHORTCIRCUIT Not all rules were run, due to a shortcircuited rule | -10 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP | Cc: Subject: Re: script help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:55:46 -0000 At 02:53 PM 2/15/2011 +0000, RW wrote: >On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:57:12 +0300 >Peter Andreev wrote: > >> Use of "xargs" on many files will be much faster than "find...exec" >> construction > >This is a surprisingly common myth. exec can pass single or multiple >arguments according to whether you use ";" or "+" >> >> find / -type f -name copyright.htm | xargs sed -i .bak -e >> 's/2010/2011/g' > >This is much less safe on FreeBSD than it is with the GNU versions >because print0 is required for paths with spaces. > >find ... -print0 | xargs -0 ... > > Forgot to mention: if the string to replace on the text line of the files includes a connecting dash, like 1988-2010, I suppose rather than using just the "2010/2011" perhaps should be "1988-2010/1988-2011" Jack (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 16:06:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8526A106567A for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:06:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=020fb121e=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from ip-002.utdallas.edu (ip-002.utdallas.edu [129.110.20.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536638FC1F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:06:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Group: None X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq8KAHUsWk2BbgogVmdsb2JhbAClZAEhAiC8ToVeBIUFjT4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,474,1291615200"; d="scan'208";a="50656509" Received: from zxtm01.utdallas.edu (HELO [129.110.200.11]) ([129.110.10.32]) by ip-002.utdallas.edu with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 15 Feb 2011 09:37:51 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:37:49 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: Peter Andreev , freebsd Message-ID: <7CD0B68CDB1B3698E9ABE60D@utd71538.local> In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.20110214163437.019167e0@sage-american.com> <12e28896cd5.6574638108640039636.4001582758217268039@zoho.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: script help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:06:58 -0000 --On February 15, 2011 12:57:12 PM +0300 Peter Andreev wrote: > Use of "xargs" on many files will be much faster than "find...exec" > construction > > find / -type f -name copyright.htm | xargs sed -i .bak -e 's/2010/2011/g' > I believe you, but can you explain why this is true? What makes xargs faster than exec? -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 16:22:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF606106566B for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:22:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from me@janh.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-hamburg.de (mailhost.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.32.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75A78FC21 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:22:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.uni-hamburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0976690042; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:22:57 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by University of Hamburg (RRZ/mailhost) Received: from mailhost.uni-hamburg.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailhost.uni-hamburg.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id kal4wojQUJKL; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:22:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from nb981.math (g224004196.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.224.4.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: fmjv004) by mailhost.uni-hamburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AB7559000A; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:22:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D5AA85E.6070807@janh.de> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:22:54 +0100 From: Jan Henrik Sylvester User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110209 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Xn Nooby , questions-list freebsd Subject: Re: What is the best way to image copy a FreeBSD system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:22:59 -0000 On 01/-10/-28163 20:59, Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 15 Feb 2011, Xn Nooby wrote: > >> On Linux I use clonezilla, which understands the EXT3 filesystem, and >> it can skip unused space (I'm using about 3GB out of 1TB). >> >> On FreeBSD, I have to fill the 1TB drive with zero-filled files, then >> delete them, on each partiton, since CloneZilla uses DD+gzip on the >> entire drive. > > Some of the development versions of Clonezilla do understand UFS. It's > been a few months since I looked at this, and I need to go back and > figure out exactly which. I tried a version of Clonezilla that understood ufs and it was really fast copying a slice: It did not understand disklabels and copied only the a partition pretending that it did the entire slice. Did you try to copy a slice with multiple partitions? Cheers, Jan Henrik From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 16:30:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F409106566C for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:30:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16AE88FC12 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:30:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 32513 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2011 16:30:41 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Feb 2011 16:30:41 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id C78B15084F; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:30:39 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3.0.1.32.20110214163437.019167e0@sage-american.com> <12e28896cd5.6574638108640039636.4001582758217268039@zoho.com> <7CD0B68CDB1B3698E9ABE60D@utd71538.local> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:30:39 -0500 In-Reply-To: <7CD0B68CDB1B3698E9ABE60D@utd71538.local> (Paul Schmehl's message of "Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:37:49 -0600") Message-ID: <44mxlxuuog.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: script help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:30:42 -0000 Paul Schmehl writes: > --On February 15, 2011 12:57:12 PM +0300 Peter Andreev > wrote: > >> Use of "xargs" on many files will be much faster than "find...exec" >> construction >> >> find / -type f -name copyright.htm | xargs sed -i .bak -e 's/2010/2011/g' >> > > I believe you, but can you explain why this is true? What makes xargs > faster than exec? Classically, exec always spun off a new process for each exec (i.e., every single file). For years now, find(1) has had a POSIX-standard syntax (ending the command with a '+' syntax for the end of an -exec line, which does pretty much the same thing in a single command. Sometimes, the command being used only handles one filename at a time, and -exec is necessary. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 17:51:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1770E106566C for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:51:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2EF8FC15 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:51:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1FHp0QE016517; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:51:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p1FHp0WU016514; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:51:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:51:00 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Jan Henrik Sylvester In-Reply-To: <4D5AA85E.6070807@janh.de> Message-ID: References: <4D5AA85E.6070807@janh.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:51:01 -0700 (MST) Cc: Xn Nooby , questions-list freebsd Subject: Re: What is the best way to image copy a FreeBSD system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:51:02 -0000 On Tue, 15 Feb 2011, Jan Henrik Sylvester wrote: > On 01/-10/-28163 20:59, Warren Block wrote: >> On Tue, 15 Feb 2011, Xn Nooby wrote: >> >>> On Linux I use clonezilla, which understands the EXT3 filesystem, and >>> it can skip unused space (I'm using about 3GB out of 1TB). >>> >>> On FreeBSD, I have to fill the 1TB drive with zero-filled files, then >>> delete them, on each partiton, since CloneZilla uses DD+gzip on the >>> entire drive. >> >> Some of the development versions of Clonezilla do understand UFS. It's >> been a few months since I looked at this, and I need to go back and >> figure out exactly which. > > I tried a version of Clonezilla that understood ufs and it was really fast > copying a slice: It did not understand disklabels and copied only the a > partition pretending that it did the entire slice. > > Did you try to copy a slice with multiple partitions? AFAIR, yes, and a restore seemed okay afterwards. But again, that was months ago, and details have already become fuzzy. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 18:08:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F30A106564A for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:08:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dteske@vicor.com) Received: from postoffice.vicor.com (postoffice.vicor.com [69.26.56.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739D38FC0A for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:08:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [210.177.209.182] (port=13692 helo=[192.168.1.151]) by postoffice.vicor.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PpPK9-0002QO-MF; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:08:32 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) From: Devin Teske In-Reply-To: <201102151225.p1FCPQoW094547@fire.js.berklix.net> Message-Id: References: <201102151225.p1FCPQoW094547@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "Julian H. Stacey" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Scan-Signature: 3d0a3550f3d8caf302954fca505b0856 X-Scan-Host: postoffice.vicor.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Stuck X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:08:35 -0000 X-Original-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:08:18 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:08:35 -0000 On Feb 15, 2011, at 4:25 AM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: >> Where do=20 >> I locate the kernel config file? >=20 > Adding > options INCLUDE_CONFIG_FILE > to > /sys/i386/conf/GENERIC > or /sys/amd64/conf/ > allows > config -x /boot/kernel/kernel NOTE: Slightly OT, but figured it was worth the post. As a side-note, the config-file will be "cleaned up" before being = embedded into the kernel. Meaning "config -x `sysctl -n kern.bootfile`" = will rarely ever match the config that was used to generate the kernel = in the first place. Specifically, comments are removed, and if you've nested configs using = the "include" statement, redundant and/or conflicting directives will be = consolidated. 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If you have received this message in error, please notify the e-mail sender immediately, and delete the original message without making a copy. -> END TRANSMISSION <- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 19:19:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE830106566C for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 19:19:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8BE5F8FC0C for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 19:19:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 30942 invoked by uid 0); 15 Feb 2011 19:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2011 19:19:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=JRowE5cVasJJXPSGC4xhOlzsjfpCgrasxOz4FdgG2Rd8pStdMJB9o64Gz1GjqdI1lP4z4sra3T3cqH0tSvRYuojDbpjSYPb5UGiuC+K33VVJ0ySj8KODPkMsJpK3T4AQ; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PpQRA-0007aK-LN for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:19:49 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:09:27 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:09:27 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110215190927.GA66944@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110214195811.E88C4106566C@hub.freebsd.org> <4D5996A3.4040602@tibble.net> <20110214211258.GA11557@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <4D59A2DF.2070604@tibble.net> <20110214234240.GB66413@guilt.hydra> <4D59DB62.8030603@tibble.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Qxx1br4bt0+wmkIi" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D59DB62.8030603@tibble.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Invitation (waaaaay off-topic) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 19:19:50 -0000 --Qxx1br4bt0+wmkIi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 01:48:18AM +0000, Simon Tibble wrote: > On 14/02/11 23:42, Chad Perrin wrote: > >=20 > > Broken. Won't work. It's too bureaucratic for too little > > (immediate) return to catch on, and its bureaucracy would guarantee > > long-term corruption. >=20 > This sort of idea will take years to catch on and will be a gradual > process. In fact, it has already started in the (primitive) form of > free open-source software. Open source software is not equivalent to what you propose. Open source software is an ad-hoc gift economy and emergent reputation-based currency system, more in line with what I described below than what you describe. The key factor here is that it is distributed and emergent rather than a centralized command economy, and it pains me to see you periodically trying to distract people from participation in that culture. >=20 > As for the corruption, at least in a organised contribution based > system all data will be available for all to see, unlike the corruption > we have today. Personal preference: if I can have check-able > corruption or hidden corruption - I'd choose check-able every time. In > fact, I think you'd find people would come to the forefront by actually > boasting they are the most sound people with solid principles as a > result of it being open for audit by anyone at anytime. And because it > relies on the opinion of others it would be a better framework to build > on (see eBay's feedback system as an introduction to a the value of > mass-opinion). Given the choice between emergent systems that self-correct and constructed systems that require someone in a position of power to be honest and trustworthy, I choose the former. Open source software development such as goes on in the FreeBSD project offer substantial evidence in favor of the value of emergent systems -- in part because it is not *only* the FreeBSD project that offers such evidence. The benefits of a gift economy and reputation-based currency in a culture of free innovation are dependent, here, on the fact that FreeBSD isn't the One True OS, and isn't the state religion of open source development. > > > > We'll probably evolve semi-naturally to a reputation based economy as > > advancing technology eliminates a lot of basic-needs scarcity, but > > that's just speculation. In the meantime, "money" is really nothing > > but a scalable way to lubricate the process of trade. The more you > > centralize the management of money (or its replacement), the less > > efficiently it works -- and trying to quantify "contribution" through > > some uniform system as you suggest would require absurd levels of > > centralization. > > Yes, it would be absurd to introduce it over night, but not more absurb > than the proposed "Bankor" currency headed our way. It's probably just > about the same amount of admin, only with a website it would eliminate > the need for turning trees into notes/paper. You missed my point. See above. >=20 > Also, the people who control the current money efforts conduct their > affairs behind closed doors and avoid scrutiny. In an open system > people will be able to not only see the workings (the maths behind it) > and they will also be able to vote on it and change it (mass opinion > outweighs the individual). The problem in this case is not currency -- it's centralized command of what constitutes currency. > > > > If you really want to do away with money, the best way to do it is to > > advance the state of the art of automation technology. You can do > > this by contributing expertise, time, and money (in decreasing order > > of importance) to copyfree [0] and open source [1] software > > development projects such as FreeBSD. Trying to distract the people > > contributing to such projects with pie-in-the-sky manifestations of > > song lyrics from the early '70s [2] is actually counterproductive to > > that aim. > > Whilst I agree with you on most of this, I want to point out that the > greatest portion of the available workforce are in front of Facebook > drooling over Justin Beiber. The sooner the masses are awoken to the > truth and shown that a different way of living is even possible, only > then will we move in the most positive direction at the fastest speed > possible. Hence, some think I "spam" simply because I am part of many > who are attempting to raise awareness of this issue. It's still spamming -- especially given that the primary effect of your efforts is to distract people from doing the good work of advancing the state of the art of copyfree and open source software like FreeBSD. >=20 > There really is nothing more important that this non-utopian > alternative life choice. I'd say that giving people their own choices is far more important than indoctrinating everyone in your choices -- especially when their own choices involve supporting the FreeBSD project, which should be generally in line with supporting your overall goals anyway, as far as I've been able to determine so far. >=20 > I believe American's use the word "kook". Is that right? (assuming > your from the states) That's *a* correct usage, sure. > > > > # NOTES: > > [0] http://copyfree.org > > Sorry dude, this is based on an inherently flawed "Law" system. Try to > always remember that a "law" is just what one guy says another can or > cannot do. What are you going on about? Did you even *understand* the text on that page? If English is not your native language, I'd be happy to help you grasp the meaning of the terms used there (off-list; this is already getting off-topic enough). You don't have to agree with what's on the page (I only offered the URI as context), but it would be nice if your disagreement actually had something to do with reality. > > > > [1] http://www.opensource.org > > Top notch link dude. Awesome. Thanks! I am definitely reading this > one. I'm ashamed to say I've read most of the open source docs, but > not this one. I find it odd that you think this is great but reject the preceding link on the grounds that the page's contents aer somehow "based on an inherently flawed 'Law' system." I think you must not actually understand the content of one or the other of the two sites. > > > > [2] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Imagine_(song) > > If we're referencing popular culture, I call on Bill Hicks to do my > bidding: I was making a small joke. Don't take everything so seriously; it'll lead to heartburn and, perhaps, heart attacks. Bill Hicks was pretty awesome, though. >=20 > Sorry to any and all for the waaaaay offtopicness. My point is to try to lead you (by the nose if need be) back to the land of being on-topic -- because the efforts of people like those involved in the FreeBSD project are an important part of making the world a better place. Better software, especially under a copyfree license like the FreeBSD preferred variant of the BSD License, helps make the world a better place. Distracting people from supporting the development of that software through contributing technical expertise to other users, developing software for it, working on improving its documentation, encouraging others to use it where it will do the most good, and myriad other approaches, by dragging people into off-topic attempts to shut you up is counterproductive if you want to make the world a better place. Consider this: we don't all have to agree with you to contribute to improving the state of the world. If we're contributing, in part through the agency of this mailing list, you should let us do so without distracting us in a futile attempt to get people to agree with you in the most contentious, annoying way you can do so (spamming). After all, there is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path. Your attempt to convince people that the way you see the path is the One True Path is distracting people from walking it, which if anything should be regarded as pushing people off the path to argue with them about whether the color of the dust on the path is brown or beige. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --Qxx1br4bt0+wmkIi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1az2cACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVJiQCaA45ZFXcjXtDEUwi7fS9hYW8B 0hkAn3WP3noHPRrd0bR76ns0bq46dzfY =7Wnv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Qxx1br4bt0+wmkIi-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 20:47:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6849E106566C for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:47:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remegius@comcast.net) Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AFD48FC08 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:47:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.74]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8K2X1g0031bwxycAELnlpD; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:47:45 +0000 Received: from remegius.comcast.net ([67.180.204.190]) by omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8Lni1g01546zqiB8eLnkFz; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:47:45 +0000 Message-ID: <4D5AE66E.1070603@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:47:42 -0800 From: Rem P Roberti User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110131 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201102151225.p1FCPQoW094547@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Stuck X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:47:46 -0000 > NOTE: Slightly OT, but figured it was worth the post. > > As a side-note, the config-file will be "cleaned up" before being embedded into the kernel. Meaning "config -x `sysctl -n kern.bootfile`" will rarely ever match the config that was used to generate the kernel in the first place. > > Specifically, comments are removed, and if you've nested configs using the "include" statement, redundant and/or conflicting directives will be consolidated. > > If you instead wish to embed the kernel config AS-IS, comments and structure remaining in-tact, you should instead: > > cd /sys/ARCH/conf > config -C -g CONFIG > > NOTE: `/sys' ought to be a symbolic link to `/usr/src/sys' > NOTE: ARCH is to be replaced with something like "i386", "amd64", etc. > NOTE: CONFIG is to be replaced with something like "GENERIC", "PAE", "MYCUSTOMKERNELCONFIG", etc. > > Then one simply does the following to compile the kernel: > > cd ../../compile/CONFIG > make depend > make > > BUT... then again not everybody: > a. compiles their own custom kernels > b. uses a custom config > c. needs to be able to extract the config verbatim from the compiled kernel > > YNMV (Your Needs May Vary). > -- > Devin > > Not off topic at all, and much appreciated. A lot of what has been offered as a result of my OP is a bit over my head at this stage of the game, but much isn't. I'm gaining on it! Cheers... Rem From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 22:43:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8155106566B for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 22:43:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2538FC12 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 22:43:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb26 with SMTP id 26so595366iyb.13 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:43:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :message-id; bh=uMa9KFF/6dGaRbhA+JMvnWbme+fo9q0L3tFRbpPEqeA=; b=aBzOCabrhGLuSmhmD6TYSwrpDt3VyMH3aWlHpc6eZnBd4sXpQxx//5MIj58iLKXb+h HhXhiFbqjCUTY0l30xKiyy6Lc7X3jQbeVy5yUtbCQnssWFLg8St0h0ZUMbPd/u7QZbVp 4SzRFu3lIIYnx0M+yN8ZJp0P+Q1Ec6vHGAz2w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=c1AVh92CyNGgFUcqhhwJorg984AInTJOCLQpCsxddUvl0MplEpwo7kT/+yVhPv94ws UvIn8lOkQtMbi67UkDpp9pEh92H/mEpPo8faTkbdI0pNRRra5g8N4Ol7uO8vap1iTbpK Z50TYGQmUdEe7/zsYtxEDlexQn8Zf12Z60TYI= Received: by 10.42.229.133 with SMTP id ji5mr505108icb.54.1297809815748; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:43:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.wi.rr.com (cpe-184-58-138-79.wi.res.rr.com [184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c4sm3504215ict.19.2011.02.15.14.43.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:43:35 -0800 (PST) From: ajtiM To: Polytropon Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:43:23 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.1-RELEASE; KDE/4.5.5; i386; ; ) References: <201102141900.02996.lumiwa@gmail.com> <201102150557.33693.lumiwa@gmail.com> <20110215145139.ac6c74d9.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110215145139.ac6c74d9.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201102151643.23482.lumiwa@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: android X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 22:43:36 -0000 On Tuesday February 15 2011 07:51:39 Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 05:57:33 -0600, ajtiM wrote: > > I did what you suggested but it doesn't works: > > no such fles or directory. > > According to your dmesg output > > da4 at umass-sim1 bus 1 scbus3 target 0 lun 0 > da4: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device > da4: 40000 MB/s transfers > > the da4 device is the correct one. Check which access files > are created: > > # ls -l /dev/da4* > > You can check the partitioning of the da4 device with > > # fdisk da4 > > which should show you what kind of partitions are available > to access, and what type they are of. If you see a FAT > partition, it will probably be /dev/da4s1, so (including > security means, just for testing): > > # mount -t msdosfs -o ro /dev/da4s1 /mnt > > should mount it read-only. You can also use a per-filsystem > identification using > > # file - < /dev/da4s1 > > for proper identification (at least this works with partitions > containing UFS filesystems, no idea about FAT stuff). > > Check dmesg output in parallel to see if the Android didn't > cut the wire due to a timeout. > > Take one step after another: First identify what is available, > then identify it, and finally mount it for testing. If it all > works, make a permanent option (e. g. in /etc/fstab) for it > if you want. fdisk da4 ******* Working on device /dev/da4 ******* parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: cylinders=967 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: cylinders=967 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) Media sector size is 512 Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 Information from DOS bootblock is: The data for partition 1 is: sysid 11 (0x0b),(DOS or Windows 95 with 32 bit FAT) start 8192, size 15536128 (7586 Meg), flag 0 beg: cyl 0/ head 130/ sector 3; end: cyl 967/ head 150/ sector 15 The data for partition 2 is: The data for partition 3 is: The data for partition 4 is: I don't know how tou mount. I like to reach a memory card for upload mp3 from computer. Thank. Mitja -------- http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 22:49:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D39C106564A for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 22:49:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19508FC14 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 22:49:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16so747349fxm.13 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:49:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=agXXFKhtqm66YhAhsKtdM+xYFvA1Bd/PgMzFlJldJwM=; b=pKSSpq4nRutmTypOIpSS5SjBXrwC1083ZaFC2S+pbTwhCXcYF1cTdJbS0gJJhPG0ma +3d9xCAlK/3oZvsX/v5jeJKSMX8pamHWBJiKIb254R/RFPrF5+fQPx6kZHZM3v+Zixui /pzt6g5NH+TWllrctZbo7AJpGME9m60QPW0xw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=SW6e0CHfO5scVqX983PkTD9JN7wn9J1SiZeR/EnEQYs/xzVqkRDjmp0eHJBJbpUIMO ZImTyijPW6jCbnIiR72ZZ9QoUgC3AYhZEkBxujEjSqcHHKA6l8/tAbxNcwbIt/SRolHj dHUW6uZiCTxdRixuENOAl3k47UyN3tJzSMYgU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.96.66 with SMTP id g2mr6973066fan.61.1297810157694; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:49:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.94.67 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:49:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201102150603.00697.lumiwa@gmail.com> References: <201102141900.02996.lumiwa@gmail.com> <201102150603.00697.lumiwa@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:49:17 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: ajtiM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: android X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 22:49:19 -0000 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:03 AM, ajtiM wrote: > I did and I mount -t msdosfs /dev/da4s1 /mnt > > and I got no such fles or directory. > On my Optimus S, you must force GEOM to retaste the media after making the SD card available to mount via the android interface, eg: true > /dev/da4 -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 23:56:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD77A106566C for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 23:56:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C08C8FC13 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 23:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1FNuXMH017622; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:56:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p1FNuXFE017619; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:56:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:56:33 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Jan Henrik Sylvester In-Reply-To: <4D5AA85E.6070807@janh.de> Message-ID: References: <4D5AA85E.6070807@janh.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:56:33 -0700 (MST) Cc: Xn Nooby , questions-list freebsd Subject: Re: What is the best way to image copy a FreeBSD system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 23:56:34 -0000 On Tue, 15 Feb 2011, Jan Henrik Sylvester wrote: > I tried a version of Clonezilla that understood ufs and it was really fast > copying a slice: It did not understand disklabels and copied only the a > partition pretending that it did the entire slice. > > Did you try to copy a slice with multiple partitions? Since my T42 is handy, I'm testing the latest clonezilla-1.2.7-11-i686 image on it, PXE-booted. It shows this sliced/partitioned disk as Clonezilla FreeBSD ---------- ------- sda (60.0GB... sda1 (60.0GB_ufs... / sda5 (ufs... / sda6 ((In_HTS... swap sda7 (ufs... /var sda8 (ufs... /tmp sda9 (ufs... /usr "savedisk" will back up all of these from sda1 onwards, so there will be two copies of / (sda1 and sda5). Same size but different md5s, no idea what's going on there. In the "saveparts" menu, the appropriate partitions can be picked by just choosing all the ones showing ufs in the first part of the description, but Clonezilla will only restore them to existing partitions. "restoredisk" doesn't recognize a backup directory created with saveparts. Using a VirtualBox system with a 62G disk, Clonezilla restored all the partitions and the boot block. The restored system boots and seems fine. It really ought to be verified with mtree checksums or something similar. There are Clonezilla mailing lists, and anyone who wants to use it with FreeBSD or other UFS filesystems should join. (I don't generally use Clonezilla for FreeBSD, and my project list is already too long, so I haven't, but still...) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 00:39:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6B6106564A for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 00:39:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5BD8FC0A for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 00:39:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so784907iwn.13 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:39:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :message-id; bh=0SwwQCzoELPufDlv9SVqr5UkxwsVLF1F5IFx6KV2T2U=; b=ZHtCR9P0T9UDhcM8fGfMbGSMK4nYZ3LGGVo4mogyKy9nV7PSaRhF5rm+8liqP6GSFl PLmcRjb/enezw68GhkjifG5dFPuA1XAwg1xIx/Zteln2kr+lSNFb53aSwyB0HkzwEA4G OWK/ODepS7+817L/1zPSv6/T5OSdfZ4isijxg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=SlMvioYNM2PTjbDM4wH4GEiZ1HFSdQi+ql9ekfjZE2ph9IdPUArb0+uQeeJtI8c7yt OjZNuyz9h2YrEmEkeV4bbgjgTawlB4Txg1r+0/ohypmjXHbbMnQpar9EXiIhY/WrO7FK bSzkeqdguqT8a6ruBi4N61/tKYkX1bH6dnyc8= Received: by 10.42.213.134 with SMTP id gw6mr34361icb.476.1297816798797; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:39:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.wi.rr.com (cpe-184-58-138-79.wi.res.rr.com [184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w5sm12849icf.4.2011.02.15.16.39.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:39:58 -0800 (PST) From: ajtiM To: Adam Vande More Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:39:47 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.1-RELEASE; KDE/4.5.5; i386; ; ) References: <201102141900.02996.lumiwa@gmail.com> <201102150603.00697.lumiwa@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201102151839.48005.lumiwa@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: android X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 00:40:00 -0000 On Tuesday February 15 2011 16:49:17 Adam Vande More wrote: > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:03 AM, ajtiM wrote: > > I did and I mount -t msdosfs /dev/da4s1 /mnt > > > > and I got no such fles or directory. > > On my Optimus S, you must force GEOM to retaste the media after making the > SD card available to mount via the android interface, eg: > > true > /dev/da4 Thank you very much. Now I can mount it. Mitja -------- http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 07:09:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D858106566B for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 07:09:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49B648FC12 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 07:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A8595E8072F; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 23:09:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 23:09:44 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110216070941.GA18339@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: Subject: google browser? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 07:09:47 -0000 Anybody know how to use this "Chrome"? I don't see any places to plug in players ... like vlc, etc. Can't find and back/Forward icons, nothing like firefox.... I give it all three thumbs down..... Would still like to see GOOG have its own "twitter" and "facebook" tho..... Anybody else have the browser on FBSD?? -g -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 08:13:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCBCD106566B for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:13:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darcsis@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B948FC19 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:13:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk32 with SMTP id 32so173059pzk.13 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 00:13:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:organization :references:user-agent:x-envelope-to:mail-followup-to:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=yEBViZfXGmDrPyvXqRdTp9zYpLmxLXRbp0ay5H24tOQ=; b=ofgWhAdZ5EgIH68bSNBTHozpbwEJ8ae2nBe0RfM6Q1qChweXGZQu1OcuP4kyToxqPz dymR/mYZn21d7m0h+AxDBGXx3Nii3Nlqnd7H5rTdv1bnMjjw7c1jlq9SR6UuoHKRA1AD 3FkaBH5XgsK6XIkSjGmVgoMw+2/y3AlCd1/pA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:organization:references:user-agent :x-envelope-to:mail-followup-to:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; b=CC6YfOstX7dWgwLafjItN0T3be8iseqNz1fI6rH/E7SDc7cBHTeP+eJk4Ov9yKPNYz ITsk7OGn/5P8d27CrW9en657RGrU1G2iSMmIj8o4qrf9LR9i+ncf0vYzi8UMir6+1aoB 31ckfCc6CjfFjLsy+Ck8UC6huUpCzcJfKHWgY= Received: by 10.142.203.6 with SMTP id a6mr244270wfg.336.1297842682385; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 23:51:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.xbsd.name ([123.117.45.237]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e14sm6845679wfg.20.2011.02.15.23.51.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA); Tue, 15 Feb 2011 23:51:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from pluton.xbsd.name (pluton.xbsd.name [172.16.1.10]) by smtp.xbsd.name (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id njp6XpU5 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128); Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:51:13 +0800 (CST) From: darcsis@gmail.com (Denise H. G.) To: Gary Kline In-Reply-To: <20110216070941.GA18339@thought.org> (Gary Kline's message of "Tue, 15 Feb 2011 23:09:44 -0800") Organization: Pluto The Planet References: <20110216070941.GA18339@thought.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) X-Envelope-To: kline@thought.org Mail-Followup-To: Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:51:10 +0800 Message-ID: <877hd0zac1.fsf@pluton.xbsd.name> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: google browser? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:13:51 -0000 On 2011/02/16 at 15:09, Gary Kline wrote: > > Anybody know how to use this "Chrome"? I don't see any places to > plug in players ... like vlc, etc. Can't find and back/Forward > icons, nothing like firefox.... I give it all three thumbs > down..... > > Would still like to see GOOG have its own "twitter" and "facebook" > tho..... > > Anybody else have the browser on FBSD?? > Tried it before then deleted it... it depends on ALSA and builds its own webkit package instead of the one in the ports.... > -g > > -- > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix > Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org > The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org > > ................ -- If you're early, it'll be canceled. If you knock yourself out to be on time, you will have to wait. If you're late, you will be too late. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 08:50:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0412A1065672 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:50:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58A88FC1A for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:50:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p1G8oapo054670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 16 Feb 2011 00:50:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p1G8oaeQ054669; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 00:50:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA10281; Wed, 16 Feb 11 00:45:51 PST Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 00:45:47 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: bruce@cran.org.uk Message-Id: <4d5b8ebb.rtHLeQYqI1Wgt+9x%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <201102141900.02996.lumiwa@gmail.com> <201102150557.33693.lumiwa@gmail.com> <20110215145139.ac6c74d9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110215135824.0000566a@unknown> In-Reply-To: <20110215135824.0000566a@unknown> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd@edvax.de, lumiwa@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: android X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:50:45 -0000 Bruce Cran wrote: > On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:51:39 +0100 > Polytropon wrote: > > You can check the partitioning of the da4 device with > > # fdisk da4 > "gpart show da4" is the modern way of doing this. Even if the disk was originally sliced and partitioned using fdisk(8) and bsdlabel(8)? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 09:06:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D461065694 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:06:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mihai.dontu@gmail.com) Received: from mail.bitdefender.com (mail.bitdefender.com [91.199.104.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E268FC19 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:06:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 10680 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2011 10:39:34 +0200 Comment: DomainKeys? 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:06:16 -0000 On Wednesday 16 February 2011 09:09:44 Gary Kline wrote: > Anybody know how to use this "Chrome"? I don't see any places to > plug in players ... like vlc, etc. Can't find and back/Forward > icons, nothing like firefox.... I give it all three thumbs > down..... >=20 > Would still like to see GOOG have its own "twitter" and "facebook" > tho..... >=20 > Anybody else have the browser on FBSD?? I haven't tried it, but maybe it works under the FreeBSD Linux emulation. I= =20 found some build hints here too: http://wiki.freebsd.org/Chromium , however= it=20 definitely needs some love from a dedicated FreeBSD developer. I use Google Chrome (or Chromium - depends on how bleeding edge I want to b= e)=20 on Linux. I'm amazed by the speed with which the project progresses and the= =20 incredible feel of the browser itself. =2D-=20 Mihai Don=C8=9Bu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 09:42:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F551065670 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:42:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (unknown [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14288FC16 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:42:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A46E75E6; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:42:47 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cran.org.uk; h=date:from :to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mail; bh=KlYglnJjYQJq A7oqm6aQ/5v8F5s=; b=WctS8SAWH5s24Su+9VEibde923svkOmryVH6+TrzZXn6 FXcpuZ4pW1WCXTqroFE80sigOohvQv80HBs9xxWNc03YQ56Z0Vm7Pe/+cRge48Ep KJxMPb04FrN6oBm2rqxtKudx+I5qlJoHXZKr5v+/0MmV1jXVWSIjCFko5WO1quA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cran.org.uk; h=date:from:to :cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=mail; b=MGstkn tissap3ZXWrWtaJehaNIuF6HxwAw8zg+xAcGQV5J03EodxwsjphijtvBJij4sBdj bkZVmiJu4tgPeAk27LSp/wcNQM8ORiTPyQoIbOK3Nmx9djUR3n+MJqrftCoVliXe n4Xb3bqUIrWmP/M/g+WRtjMMQ6ybyqJFiQjo8= Received: from unknown (client-86-31-199-149.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com [86.31.199.149]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EF732E75DE; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:42:46 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:42:37 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: perryh@pluto.rain.com Message-ID: <20110216094237.00006cd2@unknown> In-Reply-To: <4d5b8ebb.rtHLeQYqI1Wgt+9x%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <201102141900.02996.lumiwa@gmail.com> <201102150557.33693.lumiwa@gmail.com> <20110215145139.ac6c74d9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110215135824.0000566a@unknown> <4d5b8ebb.rtHLeQYqI1Wgt+9x%perryh@pluto.rain.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8cvs9 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd@edvax.de, lumiwa@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: android X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:42:55 -0000 On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 00:45:47 -0800 perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Bruce Cran wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:51:39 +0100 > > Polytropon wrote: > > > You can check the partitioning of the da4 device with > > > # fdisk da4 > > "gpart show da4" is the modern way of doing this. > > Even if the disk was originally sliced and partitioned using > fdisk(8) and bsdlabel(8)? I think so - it's just a partition table and bsdlabel. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 09:43:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A704B1065670 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:43:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from click@sgate.org) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66EC98FC23 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:43:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so1065461qwj.13 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 01:43:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.228.2 with SMTP id jc2mr417264qcb.177.1297849412345; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 01:43:32 -0800 (PST) Sender: click@sgate.org Received: by 10.229.188.198 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 01:43:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201102161039.34069.mihai.dontu@gmail.com> References: <20110216070941.GA18339@thought.org> <201102161039.34069.mihai.dontu@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:43:32 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: BSXWszl0wMhLsgoYh0lD7VnsKGE Message-ID: From: Daniel Zhelev To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: google browser? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:43:33 -0000 On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Mihai Don=C8=9Bu = wrote: > On Wednesday 16 February 2011 09:09:44 Gary Kline wrote: > > Anybody know how to use this "Chrome"? I don't see any places to > > plug in players ... like vlc, etc. Can't find and back/Forward > > icons, nothing like firefox.... I give it all three thumbs > > down..... > > > > Would still like to see GOOG have its own "twitter" and "facebook" > > tho..... > > > > Anybody else have the browser on FBSD?? > > I haven't tried it, but maybe it works under the FreeBSD Linux emulation.= I > found some build hints here too: http://wiki.freebsd.org/Chromium , > however it > definitely needs some love from a dedicated FreeBSD developer. > > I use Google Chrome (or Chromium - depends on how bleeding edge I want to > be) > on Linux. I'm amazed by the speed with which the project progresses and t= he > incredible feel of the browser itself. > > -- > Mihai Don=C8=9Bu > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hi, I`m running it on Debian/Linux - never tried it on FreeBSD. It is much lighter than the Linux Firefox, loads faster - uses better cache mechanisms= , supports html5 video tag with both H.264 and Theora(H.264 support will drop out soon) so no need for flash, you can use extensions/plugins from Firefox and if you use Google gmail/office/calendar etc it have better performance and integration but not very different from Firefox. The downside is that you can anticipate in some strange survey that sends information about you to the advertisers mother ship, generates strange traffic with unknown content, will probably have ads in later builds :). So if you are used to and love Firefox, don`t go to Chrome there is not very big differences and probably won`t ever have. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 09:49:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53921065694 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:49:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsdlists@bsdunix.ch) Received: from conversation.bsdunix.ch (ns1.bsdunix.ch [82.220.1.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829EC8FC16 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:49:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from conversation.bsdunix.ch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by conversation.bsdunix.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2DD83269 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:49:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mail.bsdunix.ch Received: from conversation.bsdunix.ch ([127.0.0.1]) by conversation.bsdunix.ch (conversation.bsdunix.ch [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id SJIXpu9dO+ms for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:49:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ernie.mlan.solnet.ch (ernie.mlan.solnet.ch [212.101.1.20]) by conversation.bsdunix.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 42BCC3266 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:49:24 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4D5B9DA4.4080200@bsdunix.ch> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:49:24 +0100 From: Thomas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; de; rv:1.9.2.14) Gecko/20110207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Problem with setting timezone in shell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:49:26 -0000 Hello Maybe someone can explain this. My localtime zone is Europe/Zurich (same as Berlin, Madrid, it's CET). IMHO this is an equivalent of UTC+1 Lets try this on my shell. The Systemclock is set to UTC: thomas@bert:~> date Wed Feb 16 09:12:00 UTC 2011 Set localtime: thomas@bert:~> setenv TZ 'Europe/Zurich' thomas@bert:~> date Wed Feb 16 10:12:43 CET 2011 <- Correct, my localtime Now set it back to UTC: thomas@bert:~> setenv TZ 'UTC' thomas@bert:~> date Wed Feb 16 09:13:04 UTC 2011 Let's try setting my localtime with UTC+1: thomas@bert:~> setenv TZ 'UTC+1' thomas@bert:~> date Wed Feb 16 08:13:23 UTC 2011 <- It's wrong. The time went back for 1 hour instead of adding 1 hour. Removing one hour works: thomas@bert:~> setenv TZ 'UTC-1' thomas@bert:~> date Wed Feb 16 10:14:11 UTC 2011 <- correct time. But thats not correct. I never had problems with UTC+1 settings in other programs like db, php, irssi ...) My System: FreeBSD bert.mlan.solnet.ch 8.2-RC3 FreeBSD 8.2-RC3 #0: Sun Jan 30 06:28:31 UTC 2011 root@mason.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 tcsh default shell with not setting. Regards, Thomas Vogt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 09:53:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8305106564A for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:53:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dteske@vicor.com) Received: from postoffice.vicor.com (postoffice.vicor.com [69.26.56.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D0D08FC0A for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [210.177.209.182] (port=14279 helo=[192.168.1.151]) by postoffice.vicor.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ppe4K-0005k3-AN; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 01:53:14 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) From: Devin Teske In-Reply-To: <201102161039.34069.mihai.dontu@gmail.com> Message-Id: <525C9A76-6D51-4FE9-834B-3BA39192822F@vicor.com> References: <20110216070941.GA18339@thought.org> <201102161039.34069.mihai.dontu@gmail.com> To: =?utf-8?Q?Mihai_Don=C8=9Bu?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Scan-Signature: 1ff1728eb262915ba047f6f8aac255e6 X-Scan-Host: postoffice.vicor.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Gary Kline , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: google browser? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:53:15 -0000 X-Original-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:52:58 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:53:15 -0000 On Feb 16, 2011, at 12:39 AM, Mihai Don=C8=9Bu wrote: > On Wednesday 16 February 2011 09:09:44 Gary Kline wrote: >> Anybody know how to use this "Chrome"? I don't see any places to >> plug in players ... like vlc, etc. Can't find and back/Forward >> icons, nothing like firefox.... I give it all three thumbs >> down..... >>=20 >> Would still like to see GOOG have its own "twitter" and "facebook" >> tho..... >>=20 >> Anybody else have the browser on FBSD?? >=20 > I haven't tried it, but maybe it works under the FreeBSD Linux = emulation. I=20 > found some build hints here too: http://wiki.freebsd.org/Chromium , = however it=20 > definitely needs some love from a dedicated FreeBSD developer. >=20 > I use Google Chrome (or Chromium - depends on how bleeding edge I want = to be)=20 > on Linux. I'm amazed by the speed with which the project progresses = and the=20 > incredible feel of the browser itself. I've heard certain noises on this list that the current port-maintainer = of Chromium has dropped the ball (not my words, just paraphrasing the = sentiment from the below thread). = http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=3D890197+893402+/usr/local/www= /db/text/2010/freebsd-questions/20101231.freebsd-questions The OP's concerns about security vulnerabilities (though voiced over 30 = days ago) still appear to be of concern (that is to say, nothing appears = to have changed except some _minor_ work on January 18th this year by = rene). However, Freshports still has a less-than-favorable status for this = port: http://www.freshports.org/www/chromium/ Now... that being said, I have a co-worker that is running Chromium = every day on FreeBSD-8.1 and he's very happy with it. Though, given the = above consideration, both him and I have decided to _not_ deploy this = browser in production (at least until we can get some love on those = vulnerabilities). So, I guess I'd like to throw the query out there... If you had to pick between Firefox and Chrome for distribution to >1000 = FreeBSD systems running 8.1 in production... which would you choose? = We're heavily leaning toward Firefox, but would love to hear other's = opinions of Chrome (if it requires Linux emulation, that may be a = death-knell, leaving Firefox the only real choice???). -- Devin >=20 > --=20 > Mihai Don=C8=9Bu > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Cheers, Devin Teske -> CONTACT INFORMATION <- Business Solutions Consultant II FIS - fisglobal.com 510-735-5650 Mobile 510-621-2038 Office 510-621-2020 Office Fax 909-477-4578 Home/Fax devin.teske@fisglobal.com -> LEGAL DISCLAIMER <- This message contains confidential and proprietary information of the sender, and is intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys X-BitDefender-Spam: No (0) X-BitDefender-SpamStamp: v1, build 2.8.97.130332, SQMD Hits: InvalidIPBytes34 97.60.122.121, rbl score: 0(0), bayes score: 500(0), pbayes score: 500(0), neunet score: 500(0), flags: [NN_LEGIT_SUMM_400_WORDS], SQMD: 412883a21ace84bb6e9800c9326f2225.fuzzy.fzrbl.org, total: 0(775) X-BitDefender-Scanner: Clean, Agent: BitDefender qmail 3.1.0 on elfie.dsd.hq, sigver: 7.36283 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=gmail.com; b=LfdDSfcKDqHg4RV1L0UEjqeBHbK+TcYfNbSb1FzaBpVCdW1Nxx4U0XRksX4LUP4RTHFtZcpSEZrGqxnqIYGqZfl0DRp89ho+pH/174UY0YT5+4XZ+MgbL+HQVPlmbtb6aMPc57i0FjxI56UZqV7YwfjmA0f0QK36+BNFUKMCjT0= ; Received: from mdontu-dell.dsd.ro (HELO mdontu-dell.localnet) (mdontu@bitdefender.com@10.10.14.115) by mail.bitdefender.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2011 12:16:01 +0200 From: Mihai =?utf-8?q?Don=C8=9Bu?= Organization: Home To: Devin Teske Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:16:00 +0200 References: <20110216070941.GA18339@thought.org> <201102161039.34069.mihai.dontu@gmail.com> <525C9A76-6D51-4FE9-834B-3BA39192822F@vicor.com> In-Reply-To: <525C9A76-6D51-4FE9-834B-3BA39192822F@vicor.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <201102161216.01626.mihai.dontu@gmail.com> Cc: Gary Kline , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: google browser? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:16:05 -0000 (e-mails from the past always find me unprepared) On Wednesday 23 July 2008 11:52:58 Devin Teske wrote: > On Feb 16, 2011, at 12:39 AM, Mihai Don=C8=9Bu wrote: > > On Wednesday 16 February 2011 09:09:44 Gary Kline wrote: > >> Anybody know how to use this "Chrome"? I don't see any places to > >> plug in players ... like vlc, etc. Can't find and back/Forward > >> icons, nothing like firefox.... I give it all three thumbs > >> down..... > >>=20 > >> Would still like to see GOOG have its own "twitter" and "facebook" > >> tho..... > >>=20 > >> Anybody else have the browser on FBSD?? > >=20 > > I haven't tried it, but maybe it works under the FreeBSD Linux emulatio= n. > > I found some build hints here too: http://wiki.freebsd.org/Chromium , > > however it definitely needs some love from a dedicated FreeBSD > > developer. > >=20 > > I use Google Chrome (or Chromium - depends on how bleeding edge I want = to > > be) on Linux. I'm amazed by the speed with which the project progresses > > and the incredible feel of the browser itself. >=20 > I've heard certain noises on this list that the current port-maintainer of > Chromium has dropped the ball (not my words, just paraphrasing the > sentiment from the below thread). >=20 > http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=3D890197+893402+/usr/local/ww= w/db > /text/2010/freebsd-questions/20101231.freebsd-questions >=20 > The OP's concerns about security vulnerabilities (though voiced over 30 > days ago) still appear to be of concern (that is to say, nothing appears > to have changed except some _minor_ work on January 18th this year by > rene). >=20 > However, Freshports still has a less-than-favorable status for this port: > http://www.freshports.org/www/chromium/ >=20 > Now... that being said, I have a co-worker that is running Chromium every > day on FreeBSD-8.1 and he's very happy with it. Though, given the above > consideration, both him and I have decided to _not_ deploy this browser in > production (at least until we can get some love on those vulnerabilities). >=20 > So, I guess I'd like to throw the query out there... >=20 > If you had to pick between Firefox and Chrome for distribution to >1000 > FreeBSD systems running 8.1 in production... which would you choose? We're > heavily leaning toward Firefox, but would love to hear other's opinions of > Chrome (if it requires Linux emulation, that may be a death-knell, leaving > Firefox the only real choice???). I've been an avid Firefox user until ~1 month ago. I just couldn't put up w= ith=20 the sluggishness anymore. Tried to use Firefox 4 beta. No dice. The JS engi= ne=20 _is_ faster but that didn't solve the problem. The UI is just not OK. I use= d=20 to think it was because of the multi-threaded design, until Opera rolled ou= t=20 version 10 which is just as snappy as Google Chrome. The only downside with= =20 Opera is that it's just too strict wrt standards. FF and Chrome use all kin= ds=20 of quirks to make old websites render reasonably well. Still, given the=20 current situation on FreeBSD, I'd go with Opera. I love Mozilla and its pus= h=20 towards a free/open web, but with version 4 they seem to have lost focus on= =20 what it matters for the majority of the people. Sure, fast web page renderi= ng=20 is important, but I for one wouldn't mind a slow[ish] render if I was able = to=20 quickly open another tab (page) to bash.org (just an example) while I wait = for=20 the other one to load. Note that I use FreeBSD only on my servers. I use Linux for desktop, so tak= e=20 my suggestion with a grain of salt. :-) =2D-=20 Mihai Don=C8=9Bu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 10:21:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5E71065670 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:21:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sergiy.suprun@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265968FC0A for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:21:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyg14 with SMTP id 14so397152qyg.13 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 02:21:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5AySxgYwSMxlOr/5FFrH6as678kde1kHrmN5A6yyLIc=; b=llyDsVO2pimwpi8duP7lBugsvSSGEOEezFT48nie5y/ZyYGVSNm2FjJ2BRhlG0tJAS v1TaFz4xIYJY8mvJNV3NCdnnSuVgX87AJ53sKB3b5YCViW4qSTLsdFMy0FDo3URaUJT6 jZPZV/Gi1MXgOoBjDbyt344VGnlYeCZR8k2MU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Z10i29mPB3JvF/CQ3pEIn4hrrMKiGbxddauoKBoePcomNCm97UYD78+diRbFecy+ql JF0fYFjqkUcoQTcGjcxPOo6OAhOJCscYRKmLhBhRpPmUVc4dcjjlJCRcL5H/1ai4/bEv xWnT/iAwpv57lp2Hr3XJdaiqutu1I2uDzyQUQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.99.130 with SMTP id u2mr424312qcn.211.1297850082598; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 01:54:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.200.2 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 01:54:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110216070941.GA18339@thought.org> References: <20110216070941.GA18339@thought.org> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:54:42 +0200 Message-ID: From: Sergiy Suprun To: Gary Kline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: google browser? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:21:52 -0000 On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 09:09, Gary Kline wrote: > > Anybody know how to use this "Chrome"? =A0I don't see any places to > plug in players ... like vlc, etc. =A0Can't find and back/Forward > icons, nothing like firefox.... =A0 =A0I give it all three thumbs > down..... > > Would still like to see GOOG have its own "twitter" and "facebook" > tho..... > > Anybody else have the browser on FBSD?? > > -g > > -- > =A0Gary Kline =A0kline@thought.org =A0http://www.thought.org =A0Public Se= rvice Unix > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.o= rg > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought= .org > Hi. I use free package from http://chromium.hybridsource.org/ on my home pc. All works fine. Linux emulation used only for adobe flash but is other story.... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 11:38:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67EC71065672 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:38:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andreev.peter@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201F38FC1D for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:38:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywl2 with SMTP id 2so567028ywl.13 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 03:38:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Jpw0HMzUCIGB9q3P73SB9JDaOiFXyAdio8YO+K5A4/Q=; b=x29XfDGeuMt46mVCty5EZE6pRrIYRraSTI6j/fyKK6qkTs8IUSboEJpSp+xGQkJHi0 yEahJhchbmjHoco56tzRBUdbwTWBL5KgwletNiZljWLtle8famRDpvDFs1psrwCEvcch QCl9EbnELAq+venbNvas8aN6S/XoIOrJvqByI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Es+hW7JS74I7aRtejzONeGpXXRWYnP0YHIDRcma7jUwD+KKUSFOFDLDBEPbe+VTw4V im+ROYwelY18N3EAOIeg6xZqSVujCtfcyE4qPu4/+n19RBx4eKZ81/1EQi5jeY0RJ0FA rFcedMctbNNzMwyFZtmrblbZi8EZnHmbQN5Ug= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.25.11 with SMTP id 11mr624464agy.119.1297856281719; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 03:38:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.100.15 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 03:38:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110215145335.5f666400@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <3.0.1.32.20110214163437.019167e0@sage-american.com> <12e28896cd5.6574638108640039636.4001582758217268039@zoho.com> <20110215145335.5f666400@gumby.homeunix.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:38:01 +0300 Message-ID: From: Peter Andreev To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: script help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:38:04 -0000 2011/2/15 RW : > On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:57:12 +0300 > Peter Andreev wrote: > >> Use of "xargs" on many files will be much faster than "find...exec" >> construction > > This is a surprisingly common myth. exec can pass single or multiple > arguments =A0according to whether you use ";" or "+" You are right, use of "+" makes "-exec" much faster. Thank you, I didn't know about this feature. >> >> find / -type f -name copyright.htm | xargs sed -i .bak -e >> 's/2010/2011/g' > > This is much less safe on FreeBSD than it is with the GNU versions > because print0 is required for paths with spaces. > > find =A0... -print0 | xargs -0 ... > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > --=20 -- AP From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 05:42:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1696F106564A for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 05:42:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samzhong2001@yahoo.com) Received: from nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BBED08FC15 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 05:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2011 05:29:37 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.3] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2011 05:29:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2011 05:29:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 728569.99588.bm@omp1003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 69702 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Feb 2011 05:29:36 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1297834176; bh=Z4iqH+oIm6jxRgy/MD+ICvpcB4apQbO9VVbQ76zR3Yk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wFww+Zzij0rrcz/ewqmsj+qI6xHuwroEhzVBm394sTco0ioCIsXTtKR1BYOtG8XvRvtfQtVkF87iP9THx54GHWeM85j0ibDiAY7wFwZNQh94PYrut1D4HbY8lud3F+4IhPu2j2o90e2o3oiH2Ghq7cQtTx1+UUIoOEW+7B9I43c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=o/1z7rjsy58P9CcF1c/Jt2oUVyRgIYWS3SYf6pq5oTDWNSD+JUVwkgQ0iWOe89/vFftKmK/becWEXMh8+lyahpo7mhAeQhesPDi7t26BLbECaB3U4X9Hjzv/BG7RSK72uL41gVL9gph/O7Mf+FpXbeudrdeTC2IQz29jFeJdASE=; Message-ID: <680000.69382.qm@web110006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: wp7914wVM1kX_Y4MscZKokVSKR27_jRhbgFfbMvxZ.GkUYF aelOM0hkGJSAQyQ_1paKSw7eqA8zjPOwym5OFYUzp7.6R71RnC7DYvachwm2 o.YyUkHnhVIp1j_8Nf4SW.hRA5YbDnwkzJ14ve_2JCIQyMNQ8ALl9EvqYvtA PhlsfwskXSsq7Hn5A2ZGNlpUDjxMyLFYHQ2mqQDiaxBOVQsBWUAjLlFdtSX7 n.5lETiQyvulEcrbLu_pKHouSfp0StgWRCFwx2giYIVJFb_HHK_omeYVhD.k wZFoH6Yjyqw8gebfIARvrIYkMVcgxxDWgEqu5.jDBDuYol5RkGy2ePYuMJ8t KBGmLuSUCGGE7DhSbfUDosYeob00SC1.Fsp4hZZUlqF3hRSu40VbrKPHEuJG jvBAXs_4MeQ-- Received: from [69.115.221.183] by web110006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 21:29:36 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.108.291010 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 21:29:36 -0800 (PST) From: zhong song To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:17:00 +0000 Cc: Subject: has problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 05:42:51 -0000 Dear Sir: I learning the freebsd 8.1, I installed many times with 8.1, but the result always "you may also user sysinstall(8) the installation and **********" what can i do, ? newer just on the load From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 14:08:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3486C106566B for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:08:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd@silviosiefke.de) Received: from mail.silviosiefke.de (mail.silviosiefke.de [78.47.240.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC078FC0A for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:08:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.20] (dslb-188-101-233-069.pools.arcor-ip.net [188.101.233.69]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.silviosiefke.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F001395CE0 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:52:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D5BD680.9050604@silviosiefke.de> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:52:00 +0100 From: Silvio Siefke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <20110216070941.GA18339@thought.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: google browser? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:08:56 -0000 Hey, Am 16.02.2011 10:54, schrieb Sergiy Suprun: > Hi. > I use free package from http://chromium.hybridsource.org/ on my home pc. > All works fine. > Linux emulation used only for adobe flash but is other story.... For this package u must pay, so i have understand. I has read that come a new port from chrome, with version 9. I have no date, but wait it will be come. Silvio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 14:54:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472B8106566B for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:54:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from boxxxxxoq@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC1B8FC0C for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyf6 with SMTP id 6so832305eyf.13 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 06:54:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=PS8RSgYntyC6yy/Ac3R2s1/O9R73yZi+E+UE2p6jHB8=; b=vxz8RSB/Foc0Tj4LN6xN//dZtKU3UVtXoxKbSXmAzitJnieQGm3zJoF3y8AoMj1HG3 eS/L6dN+4Nx6b+eM+nduL8fWIH7yJGrXu/htKKMGNKNUNhNBVap7GogNSGF2ekGYTJcG Yx88iJeDk/u0O9fTYjQ+8jlX2yApZoEUZFBTc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=n/uIdP/t2G9oSPpw0+9WMx7UaqJnlceQnIi0wKCiEKLUAdjhsKo70Dgh+9bSG+A+8A +Ik2yEdNfaBtZwL7uKio9VoR0/mTe4dCSgBO+CUfVLotHBa/dvEFhYwvOMdHDPQzraCU WeprYuoXbCqvc9YrIhTw/mp77aiNMPdEfiBtQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.45.75 with SMTP id o51mr681253eeb.49.1297866268953; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 06:24:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.51.68 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 06:24:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <680000.69382.qm@web110006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <680000.69382.qm@web110006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 22:24:28 +0800 Message-ID: From: Hugh To: zhong song X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:18:55 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: has problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:54:56 -0000 There is installation information on freebsdchina.org which may assist you. =C8=A5freebsdchina.org=C9=CF=C3=E6=C8=A5=BF=B4=D2=BB=CF=C2=A3=AC=D3=D0=B0= =B2=D7=B0=CE=C4=B5=B5=B5=C4=A1=A3 On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:29 PM, zhong song wrote: > Dear Sir: > > I learning the freebsd 8.1, I installed many times with 8.1, but the resu= lt > always "you may also user sysinstall(8) the installation and **********" > what can i do, ? > > newer just on the load > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 Hugh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 15:25:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1233) id BB44B1065675; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:25:04 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:25:04 +0000 From: Alexander Best To: Silvio Siefke Message-ID: <20110216152504.GA84734@freebsd.org> References: <20110216070941.GA18339@thought.org> <4D5BD680.9050604@silviosiefke.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D5BD680.9050604@silviosiefke.de> Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: google browser? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:25:04 -0000 On Wed Feb 16 11, Silvio Siefke wrote: > Hey, > > Am 16.02.2011 10:54, schrieb Sergiy Suprun: > > Hi. > > I use free package from http://chromium.hybridsource.org/ on my home pc. > > All works fine. > > Linux emulation used only for adobe flash but is other story.... > > For this package u must pay, so i have understand. I has read that come > a new port from chrome, with version 9. I have no date, but wait it will > be come. pkg_add -f http://chromium.hybridsource.org/old/amd64/chromium-7.0.517.44.tbz or pkg_add -f http://chromium.hybridsource.org/old/i386/chromium-7.0.517.44.tbz should do the trick (amd64 and i386). it's an old version, but works great imo. cheers. alex > > > Silvio -- a13x From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 15:43:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC7B106564A for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:43:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arthurbarlow@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0CE68FC0A for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb26 with SMTP id 26so1373402iyb.13 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 07:43:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QltwbPCv8uDBe/ytB1Ixdbf0TaN7ddMPA83OG2++WxM=; b=OsUzZ+OPPuU9yFtJg3z8OdhoSqzAcCoFmettomTgiZsxhjzSHza63f9SqoO5omU54L rAsyS2JNC7JUQa1gE9mmIztjmh2mgFh0sJ10eEBidKgvWEEf1ZNJ1RrryQKhalqLgvi9 1H9jz6kr/yivEGyFuuI5yrM3wUtHNlteJp954= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=OgpaDwQHJRUk1b0oAXe64xJZOUEmIIVA2ifcAY58l8abdLTT3ApuZKrH+NPimYtY0h /tbMG6h7bEkU0l80undkjr9TNbPTJyyUyukYfHf+VcmGw9djm1Lv4nX+51FSKEQ85iOR 7pPXAn+PjRPGpRAufBwgSBVROyoqd6vGqtRCs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.15.132 with SMTP id k4mr585168iba.60.1297869521545; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 07:18:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.25.152 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 07:18:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 07:18:40 -0800 Message-ID: From: Arthur Barlow To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Google Browser? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:43:22 -0000 >On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 09:09, Gary Kline wrote: >> >> Anybody know how to use this "Chrome"? I don't see any places to >> plug in players ... like vlc, etc. Can't find and back/Forward >> icons, nothing like firefox.... I give it all three thumbs >> down..... >> >> Would still like to see GOOG have its own "twitter" and "facebook" >> tho..... >> >> Anybody else have the browser on FBSD?? >> >> -g >> >> -- >> Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix >> Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org >> The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org >> >Hi. >I use free package from http://chromium.hybridsource.org/ on my home pc. >All works fine. >Linux emulation used only for adobe flash but is other story.... My two cents: >From a "user interface" perspective I find Chromium definitely nicer. Firefox, as others have pointed out, still seems slow and clunky to me. On the "free" as in free to change code front, the Mozilla folks seem more transparent. Google may release the source, but there is always a nagging feeling that might change. I've never tried to look at the Windows source code, but is it that easy to get? After all, that is clearly the largest user base. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 15:48:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9972106566B for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:48:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5BC8FC24 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:48:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-64-49.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.64.49]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p1GFlvXC028431; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:47:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Message-ID: <4D5BF1AD.9010109@bah.homeip.net> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:47:57 +0100 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101213 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jack L. Stone" References: <3.0.1.32.20110214163437.019167e0@sage-american.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20110214163437.019167e0@sage-american.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: script help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:48:04 -0000 2011-02-14 23:34, Jack L. Stone skrev: > Hello folks: Hello! > No doubt this will be easy for those with scritping abilities. > # find all of the same filenames (copyright.htm) and then replace the year > 2010 with 2011 in each file. Once I have a working script, I should be able > to add it as a cron job to run on the first day of each new year. cd /your/www/directory rm -rf copyright.htm > Any help appreciated. > > Thanks! > Jack From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 16:05:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E29106564A for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:05:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike.jeays@rogers.com) Received: from smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.82]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 20FCC8FC19 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:04:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 75001 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2011 16:04:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LSBDE6TIanC+soAzixVasqavSD9QpfvFmrp99brmzOeqzjlhqeIa1LjSb7UkI4XQeoftqLHHA6mLIEQIIL+yTws3JvmqItP2A2wOML8SsT9kHEqjlJy1N/BfalZ0RDGxh1THXocvVnllF+zkDgTCF8oopb0Mx9lTbdcSKEUu1qk= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1297872299; bh=Cw2dbLk8XVmPk8FaNSMQz1OcPiAX86ZZVdi82J4TSf8=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=T6EFnxBmH0U++IiJ8LtaVW2yn6jOdBhAX/txIqaFnD1QNsOf9xIUhX0YTjUL3pBsaXMTzRE/COyGle3Mk8K/Um7cYWQxIV1ib+F37+EII2aECQStg2bCH2914ArU0DeMqs+/VYDZv9XrJ3eJUuR+Xf0SM8Rou/iDU0W1uqRdmdg= Received: from napoleon (mike.jeays@99.224.61.141 with login) by smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2011 08:04:56 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: N82WFx6swBBjwcHWPFR2CGt6udzA8RPrA.xm0enFFXaK2g-- X-YMail-OSG: pgl3PkcVM1mJqhQHjxWJlJa6B3oZjJnI1OUYNv_d8T.RwfI z.Pw2VZKjqhHVSLTdPDmrj0Iq5Hb12nQ10AN0QkSjWbjUa_52lmztb6L2Mzk NckdxmPKJJIGATLlKPqCVn22ukkATQDZzLlu179khYkIinn_4Ode0gUcX9U3 6mkyslKsBKH95EVgfLql_hie3oRcjsYmX15Lm7wBhDBKfFnu4CqIMFXDdv3c r18YwRttq3_L4doF6k_Ff5ZspIjxQIHfiW9e72G9kRKIbBuLgoeIS X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:04:55 -0500 From: Mike Jeays To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110216110455.3c17770d@napoleon> In-Reply-To: <4D5BF1AD.9010109@bah.homeip.net> References: <3.0.1.32.20110214163437.019167e0@sage-american.com> <4D5BF1AD.9010109@bah.homeip.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.4 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: script help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:05:00 -0000 On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:47:57 +0100 Bernt Hansson wrote: > 2011-02-14 23:34, Jack L. Stone skrev: > > Hello folks: > > Hello! > > > No doubt this will be easy for those with scritping abilities. > > > # find all of the same filenames (copyright.htm) and then replace the year > > 2010 with 2011 in each file. Once I have a working script, I should be able > > to add it as a cron job to run on the first day of each new year. > > cd /your/www/directory rm -rf copyright.htm > > > Any help appreciated. > > > > Thanks! > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I doubt anyone will be dumb enough to fall for this, but it is not exactly constructive. Anyhow, it won't work without a semicolon. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 16:05:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5B4106566B for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:05:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270FA8FC19 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:05:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ppjsp-00084X-Oj for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:05:40 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:05:39 -0800 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:05:39 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110216160539.GB36398@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110216070941.GA18339@thought.org> <201102161039.34069.mihai.dontu@gmail.com> <525C9A76-6D51-4FE9-834B-3BA39192822F@vicor.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mojUlQ0s9EVzWg2t" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <525C9A76-6D51-4FE9-834B-3BA39192822F@vicor.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: google browser? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:05:45 -0000 --mojUlQ0s9EVzWg2t Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Devin Teske on Wednesday, 23 July 2008: > On Feb 16, 2011, at 12:39 AM, Mihai Don=C8=9Bu wrote: >=20 > > On Wednesday 16 February 2011 09:09:44 Gary Kline wrote: > >> Anybody know how to use this "Chrome"? I don't see any places to > >> plug in players ... like vlc, etc. Can't find and back/Forward > >> icons, nothing like firefox.... I give it all three thumbs > >> down..... > >>=20 > >> Would still like to see GOOG have its own "twitter" and "facebook" > >> tho..... > >>=20 > >> Anybody else have the browser on FBSD?? > >=20 > > I haven't tried it, but maybe it works under the FreeBSD Linux emulatio= n. I=20 > > found some build hints here too: http://wiki.freebsd.org/Chromium , how= ever it=20 > > definitely needs some love from a dedicated FreeBSD developer. > >=20 > > I use Google Chrome (or Chromium - depends on how bleeding edge I want = to be)=20 > > on Linux. I'm amazed by the speed with which the project progresses and= the=20 > > incredible feel of the browser itself. >=20 > I've heard certain noises on this list that the current port-maintainer o= f Chromium has dropped the ball (not my words, just paraphrasing the sentim= ent from the below thread). >=20 > http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=3D890197+893402+/usr/local/ww= w/db/text/2010/freebsd-questions/20101231.freebsd-questions >=20 > The OP's concerns about security vulnerabilities (though voiced over 30 d= ays ago) still appear to be of concern (that is to say, nothing appears to = have changed except some _minor_ work on January 18th this year by rene). >=20 > However, Freshports still has a less-than-favorable status for this port:= http://www.freshports.org/www/chromium/ >=20 > Now... that being said, I have a co-worker that is running Chromium every= day on FreeBSD-8.1 and he's very happy with it. Though, given the above co= nsideration, both him and I have decided to _not_ deploy this browser in pr= oduction (at least until we can get some love on those vulnerabilities). >=20 > So, I guess I'd like to throw the query out there... >=20 > If you had to pick between Firefox and Chrome for distribution to >1000 F= reeBSD systems running 8.1 in production... which would you choose? We're h= eavily leaning toward Firefox, but would love to hear other's opinions of C= hrome (if it requires Linux emulation, that may be a death-knell, leaving F= irefox the only real choice???). The chromium port does not require Linux emulation. Generally, I prefer chrome over firefox from the standpoint of performance and reliability, but the security issues in the port have put me off it. Meanwhile, I've become rather dependent on the Vimperator and GreaseMonkey extensions for Firefox, so I'm unlikely to change back to chrome even when its security issues are finally sorted. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --mojUlQ0s9EVzWg2t Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNW/XTAAoJEIpckszW26+RxzAIALpAO1TpuTeGirxiACJGw+Ge sCDr7MRy1jfXn0YxMf5zdoX5mvh/sBjlTB2UxuazHxH6pPaNPfMCQlh2AefakspS 9tIGxg6oRacbTdKQy8vTjH4B5i4TwIzuUltrlopfm41TmeLuzMEA4wLatCsfdDAS RAQyBmJnJO12RHStqG+WPqy1SFcqrAjiQs1rbLqSN38zepB4lpUL0gBv4t/DqAYq NV3hHfvpZdseFyve6/8YqAiydhACYRsLgglQMGhDwi2DDr04iwnHT+hd7s/9r5CX 8DaR8G+/zrP3hx51C64GkW4GFQzCuhIBbe2sTj+V4mnN/tq9fs+MV54YHYKlWRs= =coZe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mojUlQ0s9EVzWg2t-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 16:33:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751D110656A4 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:33:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3420C8FC12 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:33:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p1GGbUiC004819 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:37:30 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:37:30 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201102161637.p1GGbUiC004819@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4D5BF1AD.9010109@bah.homeip.net> Subject: Re: script help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:33:21 -0000 > Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:47:57 +0100 > From: Bernt Hansson > Subject: Re: script help > > 2011-02-14 23:34, Jack L. Stone skrev: > > Hello folks: > > Hello! > > > No doubt this will be easy for those with scritping abilities. > > > # find all of the same filenames (copyright.htm) and then replace the > > year 2010 with 2011 in each file. Once I have a working script, I > > should be able to add it as a cron job to run on the first day of each > > new year. > > cd /your/www/directory > rm -rf copyright.htm (A) doesn't do what the OP asked. (B) doesn't do what you -think- it does. (i.e., it will delete at most one file) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 17:17:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF12106564A for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 17:17:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from four.harrisons@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BAB8FC13 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 17:17:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf19 with SMTP id 19so1571113wyf.13 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:17:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:subject:from:to:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pq/HuVm9syesYYJ67iEpHELaOhecvwBjPiG9RZteyHc=; b=VX/ZZ6qprzZPuR1/xtn7+i9k/cxVq1+MhM8W3z0c2RUQtekasLq8clgmIHuHPtHa+G M80iXnv94Zrk2TUFeR8k71YsSLwchckgPNZcWj3w4I617UDvpSmi7RWQekJg7dm6NZFc Ig3UOGuMuqboOX5cjw9kBLLZmaKqu5DBAAgss= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:subject:from:to:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=JKcI0hQYvSH2BMlzPzmU0mAw0AlYoIYCvb0eMTzu/0e+hCjGNBhU6Fo/i+bVu1WCsC sn5JXPr1WX/5AkuDrPNYA2Ji2exXIGKPQh42a+FvJEwjIPqWqaS07dWsLCg6gancNFrv PFvxUdShw6kK2tQTt811QkbVNKI8AF2gO3nII= Received: by 10.216.86.195 with SMTP id w45mr687581wee.92.1297876677865; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:17:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ecs ([213.8.162.222]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r80sm172478wei.39.2011.02.16.09.17.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:17:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4d5c06c5.6686d80a.6ae8.17e6@mx.google.com> From: four.harrisons@googlemail.com To: sterling@camdensoftware.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 17:14:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: google browser? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 17:17:59 -0000 Sorry for top-posting - my 'phone makes doing it properly difficult.=0D=0A= =0D=0AThere is a similar extension to Vimperator for Chromium, but it's n= ame escapes me (Vimeo?). Last time I checked though it didn't work on the= FreeBSD version.=0D=0A=0D=0AAfter some time with Vimperator now, I find = myself futilely bashing 'o' and 'j' and 'H' when browsing using IE on my = works machine.=0D=0A=0D=0APeter Harrison=0D=0Awww.4harrisons.blogspot.com= =0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A-----------------------------=0D=0AFrom:=09"Chip Camden= " =0D=0ASubject:=09Re: google browser?=0D=0A= Date:=09=0916th February 2011 16:06=0D=0A=0D=0AQuoth Devin Teske on Wedne= sday, 23 July 2008:=0D=0A> On Feb 16, 2011, at 12:39 AM, Mihai Don=C8=9B= u wrote:=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A> > On Wednesday 16 February 2011 09:09:44 Gary = Kline wrote:=0D=0A> >> Anybody know how to use this "Chrome"? I don't se= e any places to=0D=0A> >> plug in players ... like vlc, etc. Can't find = and back/Forward=0D=0A> >> icons, nothing like firefox.... I give it a= ll three thumbs=0D=0A> >> down.....=0D=0A> >>=20=0D=0A> >> Would still li= ke to see GOOG have its own "twitter" and "facebook"=0D=0A> >> tho.....=0D= =0A> >>=20=0D=0A> >> Anybody else have the browser on FBSD??=0D=0A> >=20=0D= =0A> > I haven't tried it, but maybe it works under the FreeBSD Linux emu= lation. I=20=0D=0A> > found some build hints here too: http://wiki.freebs= d.org/Chromium , however it=20=0D=0A> > definitely needs some love from a= dedicated FreeBSD developer.=0D=0A> >=20=0D=0A> > I use Google Chrome (o= r Chromium - depends on how bleeding edge I want to be)=20=0D=0A> > on Li= nux. I'm amazed by the speed with which the project progresses and the=20= =0D=0A> > incredible feel of the browser itself.=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A> I've he= ard certain noises on this list that the current port-maintainer of Chrom= ium has dropped the ball (not my words, just paraphrasing the sentiment f= rom the below thread).=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A> http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg= =2Ecgi?fetch=3D890197+893402+/usr/local/www/db/text/2010/freebsd-question= s/20101231.freebsd-questions=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A> The OP's concerns about sec= urity vulnerabilities (though voiced over 30 days ago) still appear to be= of concern (that is to say, nothing appears to have changed except some = _minor_ work on January 18th this year by rene).=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A> However= , Freshports still has a less-than-favorable status for this port: http:/= /www.freshports.org/www/chromium/=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A> Now... that being said= , I have a co-worker that is running Chromium every day on FreeBSD-8.1 an= d he's very happy with it. Though, given the above consideration, both hi= m and I have decided to _not_ deploy this browser in production (at least= until we can get some love on those vulnerabilities).=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A> S= o, I guess I'd like to throw the query out there...=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A> If y= ou had to pick between Firefox and Chrome for distribution to >1000 FreeB= SD systems running 8.1 in production... which would you choose? We're hea= vily leaning toward Firefox, but would love to hear other's opinions of C= hrome (if it requires Linux emulation, that may be a death-knell, leaving= Firefox the only real choice???).=0D=0A=0D=0AThe chromium port does not = require Linux emulation. Generally, I prefer=0D=0Achrome over firefox fr= om the standpoint of performance and reliability,=0D=0Abut the security i= ssues in the port have put me off it. Meanwhile,=0D=0AI've become rather= dependent on the Vimperator and GreaseMonkey=0D=0Aextensions for Firefox= , so I'm unlikely to change back to chrome even=0D=0Awhen its security is= sues are finally sorted.=0D=0A=0D=0A--=20=0D=0ASterling (Chip) Camden | s= terling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F=0D=0Ahttp://chipsquips.com |= http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com=0D=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 17:28:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692901065670 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 17:28:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 312428FC08 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 17:28:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PplBF-0003Np-Jh for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:28:46 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:28:45 -0800 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:28:45 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110216172845.GC36398@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4d5c06c5.6686d80a.6ae8.17e6@mx.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="eHhjakXzOLJAF9wJ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4d5c06c5.6686d80a.6ae8.17e6@mx.google.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: google browser? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 17:28:50 -0000 --eHhjakXzOLJAF9wJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth four.harrisons@googlemail.com on Wednesday, 16 February 2011: > Sorry for top-posting - my 'phone makes doing it properly difficult.=0D > =0D > There is a similar extension to Vimperator for Chromium, but it's name es= capes me (Vimeo?). Last time I checked though it didn't work on the FreeBSD= version.=0D > =0D > After some time with Vimperator now, I find myself futilely bashing 'o' a= nd 'j' and 'H' when browsing using IE on my works machine.=0D > =0D > Peter Harrison=0D > www.4harrisons.blogspot.com=0D > =0D > =0D It's called Vimium, and Chad Perrin figured out how to get it working on FreeBSD. But Vimium isn't Vimperator, and chromium disables extensions when viewing the home page or local files. So, for instance, vimium's key bindings don't work when viewing an HTML attachment to an email. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --eHhjakXzOLJAF9wJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNXAlMAAoJEIpckszW26+RygAIAKU60NG//UZPcl7f1hWtTtzH vmmBQijrLbC82BVxDbyoxnHaDJLL/NjN+yvRKqXgLb70AI2FDszhUaOTAPY7uHXN uN36XEYs9q0dWUMA2+pyAmqWRUax2boQY6YneCZIEaXvO9FU/koogpMUuVfdpiUq SxIFUYd24WnS1ANrWJMImwKzbDSB5u796Lf+16x/7/BCv9Zvo4znv3k245+zeXzX 6C3CmxOY+CQ0cQcqV4b6m2GjPw3xDS+fgMVIYqPxbt1SG5Nwy6sq2kZNZLbWnkL7 77NIKo+Lm6HtL8PHFmsiJNjM0+FGxQPzm2yFKw3EO6ysLZagLJztHZk2hjzrpe8= =rCFY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --eHhjakXzOLJAF9wJ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 18:15:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA57106564A for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 18:15:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [66.147.249.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EA7EF8FC14 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 18:15:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 27642 invoked by uid 0); 16 Feb 2011 18:15:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy1.bluehost.com.bluehost.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2011 18:15:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=LAG3PwDdbDwrsRG+khbN1YCppxHcQ2miIE2AEIkvkIGr9E/ypHRWEZxl5uYUz867JayKpkEhoM7Wyd+6vxtmv2dSZQnbfcL31t/zVoO/lzvVl87FqOllhg1KfECcoaZV; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pplus-0007kf-1j for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:15:55 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:05:30 -0700 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:05:30 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110216180529.GA74675@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110216070941.GA18339@thought.org> <201102161039.34069.mihai.dontu@gmail.com> <525C9A76-6D51-4FE9-834B-3BA39192822F@vicor.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="17pEHd4RhPHOinZp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <525C9A76-6D51-4FE9-834B-3BA39192822F@vicor.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: google browser? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 18:15:56 -0000 --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 01:52:58AM -0700, Devin Teske wrote: >=20 > I've heard certain noises on this list that the current port-maintainer > of Chromium has dropped the ball (not my words, just paraphrasing the > sentiment from the below thread). My understanding is that the Chromium port maintainer's business model interfered with his ability to keep the port updated for security patches, and eventually someone else replaced him as port maintainer. The new port maintainer has been working on getting the port back up to snuff since then, which appears to be kind of a "starting over" operation in some respects. As such, one hopes that everything will be up to snuff soon, and will stay that way under new management. >=20 > However, Freshports still has a less-than-favorable status for this > port: http://www.freshports.org/www/chromium/ One might presume that this is because the previous port maintainer's business model kept the port at v6.x, which is what is currently in ports. The current version of the chromium browser is 9.x, and I suspect the "minor" work done early this year is work on getting v9.x ready for inclusion in ports. >=20 > Now... that being said, I have a co-worker that is running Chromium > every day on FreeBSD-8.1 and he's very happy with it. Though, given the > above consideration, both him and I have decided to _not_ deploy this > browser in production (at least until we can get some love on those > vulnerabilities). I have the version of chromium from ports on one of my computers, and used it off-and-on alongside Firefox and Uzbl. I might have completely replaced Firefox if the extension system was robust enough to allow proper implementation of vi-like keybindings and secure use of extensions like HTTPS Everywhere, but the chromium extension system is still a little too restrictive for that, from what I've seen. I stopped using Chromium at all once those vulnerabilities had been around and unfixed in ports for a few days. You should probably do the same. >=20 > So, I guess I'd like to throw the query out there... >=20 > If you had to pick between Firefox and Chrome for distribution to >1000 > FreeBSD systems running 8.1 in production... which would you choose? > We're heavily leaning toward Firefox, but would love to hear other's > opinions of Chrome (if it requires Linux emulation, that may be a > death-knell, leaving Firefox the only real choice???). Right now, I'd choose Firefox. If the recent troubles of the chromium port get sorted out satisfactorily by the current maintainer, I might well choose that instead. Unfortunately, you've stumbled onto the situation during what appears to be a transitional period. disclaimer: I am not involved with the chromium porting effort, and am not particularly privy to the internal goings-on of its ports maintenance. My information may be out of date or misinformed. Some of what I said is pure speculation. Your mileage may vary. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1cEekACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUh0QCgruT0ZPgPWRjUxsshBZmoMptl m+8AoICkpbpyjJhlFKPaADZVytbsQBAS =DLwt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 18:54:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B16106564A for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 18:54:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andyjhiscock@yahoo.com) Received: from nm20-vm1.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (nm20-vm1.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.183.88]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F41128FC12 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 18:54:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [217.146.183.216] by nm20.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2011 18:41:08 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.161] by tm9.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2011 18:41:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2011 18:41:08 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 455354.1124.bm@omp1002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 88760 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Feb 2011 18:41:08 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1297881668; bh=ck0Ev3z4tXVk/5I+gGyiU1uJsuyQJLcsZ+ltYdaQJ98=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NydsR8uYVuJdMsOucrSfCERwgxegMkCVCiGhCigu2HWydOGG92qej9bN0CTPPZ9YpyjkS1wufh/XR7M2Q4GGdGH/L3VybZwPgf6LgndVz7wazSqOjhFbAtDBcEiQLoWmlFBFqMaSTrOf51OeA+TvfZALouDYULPzNqW60HRKFrw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2zguislzY3/RprqG5mVOGkEV4lD+sKMLK+uUcp9eQ+T5k/FHEg02tDOyizP0sTCYelWe8oNW8bcQHG4agSoaLqx6sG15XzBxAyCksoCEA8dq6b6vu8rLocbIY0ADpMOEbMXW7rcgEffgIex4ie+pGuCudDDnO5FzXV8VBa+NbzA=; Message-ID: <287109.87608.qm@web26703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: BR587lMVM1nKFPCvlBlQXVqI0F06ENOalQp.4LkaVWv4ibX ixU_gcyLEFdFipntFd4JncsaXcqCN1BH7xGB0e2hVKRHGvmJtu0DBkYFKAs. KhkSfz1kG6AqEy46lWsh_jkSTrS5Oi5GPcMA9kJCNvg9VyNgiPJ1PoGQwynQ ubdKdx8R1jPOCAmM3x7kBSG5jH3GBdSpx48LTe6OgR3XrBYWPdy0YDLU_Org y6z7uODzp86.d.ERFfw.UBG85cExwEQ8PunsXbbBSWS4gRHER23imbQcGWgJ A8ifi3dU- Received: from [86.28.230.6] by web26703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 18:41:08 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/555 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.292656 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 18:41:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Andy Hiscock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Timing out SAMBA authentication X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 18:54:53 -0000 Hi.=0A=0AI am connecting to a Samba server from a mac running OSX 10.6.6 on= my LAN and up =0Auntil about a month ago it has been running smoothly. Th= e sever is appearing in =0AFinder but when connecting I get asked my userna= me and password. After entering =0Amy details I get "Connecting" for about= 5-10 seconds before the shares are =0Apresented, then I am able to mount a= nd work with the shares. Interestingly if I =0Adon't mot the share quickly= the mac reports the share is no longer available?=0A=0AThis evening I have= been doing some diagnosis to see whats happening, I opened a =0Aterminal s= ession on the samba server and to connect to the share using;=0A=0Asmbclien= t \\\\localhost\\[share]=0A=0AI get asked the password, after 20 seconds th= e connection fails with the error:=0A=0AReceiving SMB: Server stopped respo= nding=0Asession setup failed: Call timed out: server did not respond after = 20000 =0Amilliseconds=0A=0AI'm assuming this is why there is a delay in mou= nting the share though my Mac. =0A Im pretty sure I haven't changed anythin= g. I have googled the web and the only =0Aconstructive thing I have come a= cross so far is the encrypt password entry in =0Asmb.conf. I tried this b= ut made no difference.=0A=0Asmb.conf:=0A=0A[global]=0Anetbios name=3DLeopar= d=0Aworkgroup=3DWORKGROUP=0Asecurity =3D user=0Aload printers =3D no=0Alog = file =3D /var/log/samba.log=0Amax logsize =3D 50=0Atime server =3D yes=0Are= ad raw =3D yes=0Awrite raw =3D yes=0Asocket options =3D TCP_NODELAY IPTOS_L= OWDELAY=0Awins support =3D yes=0Alocal master =3D yes=0Adomain master =3D = yes=0Aos level =3D 65=0A=0A[homes]=0Aread only=3Dno=0Aguest ok=3Dno=0Abrows= able=3Dno=0A=0A[share]=0Apath=3D/usr/home/share=0Aread only=3Dno=0Aguest ok= =3Dno=0Aforce group =3D share=0Asecurity mask =3D 0660=0Aforce security mod= e =3D 660=0Adirectory security mask =3D 0770=0Aforce directory security mod= e =3D 0770=0A=0AAny advise would be appreciated especially if someone has r= esolved this.=0A=0AThanks=0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 18:57:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD641106566B for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 18:57:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fred@blakemfg.com) Received: from mail.getnet.net (mail.getnet.net [216.19.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 981A88FC1B for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 18:57:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 18261 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2011 18:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Feb 2011 18:57:52 -0000 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at getnet.net Received: from mail.getnet.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.getnet.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5T5eTMa+VdZ6 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:57:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 18257 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2011 18:57:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ragnok.blakemfg.com) (fredb@216.19.219.132) by mail.getnet.net with ESMTPA; 16 Feb 2011 18:57:51 -0000 Message-ID: <4D5C1D2C.2020800@blakemfg.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:53:32 -0700 From: Fred User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20110131 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D41BDF6.5080904@blakemfg.com> <4D421B95.1070909@blakemfg.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: wine questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 18:57:53 -0000 On 01/27/11 20:47, Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 27 Jan 2011, Fred wrote: >>> >> I am interested in the Xeltek SuperPro-5000. This unit will alsowork >> stand-alone with a CF card programmed by the PC in addition to usb. >> I believe the user software downloads a set of programming parameters >> and the file to be programmed rather than driving the programmer >> directly or otherwise do low level hardware stuff. I am going to ask >> Xeltek if they will give a refund if I can't get the unit working in >> a reasonable time. If it doesn't work I would otherwise be out of >> $1500. I will not use Windows. > > There's a downloadable version of the software on the site. If that > works acceptably, the final hurdle would be whether it can communicate > with the programmer by USB. The site says it's USB 2.0 and installs > drivers on Windows, which doesn't bode well for the Wine/FreeBSD > setup. It may work, although you have to expect that any support call > will blame problems on the non-standard setup. > > It might be easier to start with open software and choose a programmer > that is supported by it. For instance, devel/avrdude supports some > faster programmers. Depends on what you need. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > I downloaded the programmer software and wine installed it without any problems (350 MB!). The software seems to run ok so far under wine. So the remaining issue is the USB connection. I found the USB port in /dev but to make the link I also need to know what Windows calls the USB port so the programmer software can find it. If one plugs a non-storage USB device into Windows without installing any specific driver, what does Windows call the USB port? Best regards, Fred From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 18:59:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A09421065670 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 18:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6711A8FC0A for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 18:59:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ppmab-0001Dk-A7 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:59:02 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:59:01 -0800 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:59:01 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20110216185901.GD36398@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+KJYzRxRHjYqLGl5" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: [[FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Foundation Announces New Project] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 18:59:06 -0000 --+KJYzRxRHjYqLGl5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Forwarded message from Deb Goodkin ----- > Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:35:23 -0700 > From: Deb Goodkin > To: freebsd-announce@freebsd.org > Subject: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Foundation Announces New Project > The FreeBSD Foundation is pleased to announce that Konstantin Belousov=20 > has been awarded a grant to > implement support of GEM, KMS, and DRI for Intel Drivers. This project=20 > is being co-sponsored by iXsystems. W00t! Konstantin, please let me know if I can be of any help. I have 8-STABLE on an Intel i3 M 350 with integrated HD graphics that I'll gladly move to 9-CURRENT if I can help this effort in any way. Thanks to the Foundation for funding this! Time to go contribute again. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --+KJYzRxRHjYqLGl5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNXB51AAoJEIpckszW26+RcJIH/j3nwL4Wa8knj+QUvCbCB4vq 6Ffj7e7MrFPF+5TYEGwdJ3zdG1xEe5iEWbU8JmDIeuz5aJHSyZdzfyYvA9xf7gWw cuZUsm8lXbqVNc59vzqnWytCJZsuOVgqFGBKGEFLk+iXiKRAo6RfdH+KE3FUVWGQ TE0AVdIEzMh+usLZHUfXyTCiYDfSPfWhHwH5Z/+6j2w8idZOW/Kg6Zz+SLouuJM+ pQDDWRAvm1dGItwoaw+IGHq65mgPLi+4nNWAeo61+CM8Y9tFjKsyuiVLI5y+/lwI pgmTJS7iBIJo32Hj4+EoszECY3hDu9UOikqs+su/uozi2ywCLnY7r1K7lPzp+fc= =avd1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+KJYzRxRHjYqLGl5-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 19:08:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 024DF1065697 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 19:08:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pldrouin@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 801108FC24 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 19:07:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so1765250bwz.13 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:07:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Yf9I/UuZv+8o+BDziyoO+6hIFkBflE7dVrF6hH6tJuc=; b=Jd4O0WNVXmrtlTJUG19UcWbsucfDB7lw/DOgLuQqZkNfjwdHzjIrMjxwyG01fKPgHX 1si0GvJAc6x9BlP+hUolze0Kg7Qeu0PerLiwXPMiXS+87NCT5VzUmPT3U3eU5cTpTY89 2kK8jdW+5yH8S8hiB+sREVk+xmY/8U5wSx16Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=pI5PLxlDGLYiR1stg5scCkU9LonuJ206bEeYlxvV9K6uoejEjgo3yi9yQjlTW11/+k 07Batt8ynrfBZnRBuWD0WVkyO480x/LmR3AHvjXYzsDFqDn8kBKJVRRPEQkfrzy34HSt NWkVR6w7gWomgNx6xNwQ2LkjCv6Ty+4DzbuxY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.33.87 with SMTP id g23mr808834bkd.144.1297883276337; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:07:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.176.77 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:07:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110216185901.GD36398@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> References: <20110216185901.GD36398@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:07:56 -0500 Message-ID: From: Pierre-Luc Drouin To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: [[FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Foundation Announces New Project] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 19:08:00 -0000 On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Chip Camden wrote: > ----- Forwarded message from Deb Goodkin ----- > > > Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:35:23 -0700 > > From: Deb Goodkin > > To: freebsd-announce@freebsd.org > > Subject: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Foundation Announces New Project > > > The FreeBSD Foundation is pleased to announce that Konstantin Belousov > > has been awarded a grant to > > implement support of GEM, KMS, and DRI for Intel Drivers. This project > > is being co-sponsored by iXsystems. > > > > > W00t! Konstantin, please let me know if I can be of any help. I have > 8-STABLE on an Intel i3 M 350 with integrated HD graphics that I'll gladly > move to 9-CURRENT if I can help this effort in any way. > > Thanks to the Foundation for funding this! Time to go contribute again. > Yes a big thumbs up for working on this issue!! > > -- > Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F > http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | > http://chipstips.com > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 19:38:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664711065674 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 19:38:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252368FC0A for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 19:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1GJcZgY021192; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:38:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p1GJcZAR021189; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:38:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:38:35 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Fred In-Reply-To: <4D5C1D2C.2020800@blakemfg.com> Message-ID: References: <4D41BDF6.5080904@blakemfg.com> <4D421B95.1070909@blakemfg.com> <4D5C1D2C.2020800@blakemfg.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:38:35 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wine questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 19:38:38 -0000 On Wed, 16 Feb 2011, Fred wrote: ... >> There's a downloadable version of the software on the site. If that works >> acceptably, the final hurdle would be whether it can communicate with the >> programmer by USB. The site says it's USB 2.0 and installs drivers on >> Windows, which doesn't bode well for the Wine/FreeBSD setup. It may work, >> although you have to expect that any support call will blame problems on >> the non-standard setup. ... > I downloaded the programmer software and wine installed it without any > problems (350 MB!). The software seems to run ok so far under wine. So the > remaining issue is the USB connection. I found the USB port in /dev but to > make the link I also need to know what Windows calls the USB port so the > programmer software can find it. If one plugs a non-storage USB device into > Windows without installing any specific driver, what does Windows call the > USB port? If the device shows up as a USB serial port (/dev/cuaU0) , it can be linked to a Wine com port, as shown here: http://wiki.freebsd.org/AVR/ArduinoWINE Don't know about other types of devices. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 19:41:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731EC106566C for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 19:41:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0226C8FC13 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 19:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyf6 with SMTP id 6so1100795eyf.13 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:41:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ea/hvbu3cAp3KpXJgQcP4eEr5NMEkXOWT9XSEu/87Tg=; b=o0XRMQHjDpQMOOlykgePoKZBakxxsheJSMr/S4rEVaTDEhjczSht4PZCmgMiqcHTw3 PQ7Ui/SXKBRPFXL8KLstHwfg2/rfyukGDVGJy6XlMtfN8lgR/ug+Vmmrb3+YRb9Im4wl Bh8puYSWSf1UiQfBXp4BMe3JzdcmglRkmJmQk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qIq55K7e2tDflVRC614MukzfwXravAufj9tkvncR5Psdc8n+Upl3tc0WpVgIzZvQrt 1af+3I+09Y1P9QviNwsnTsnOGYz6+hsPxOPFY/4z3VUT/LVWYCrHMGdvdUc9Rt5MtwWx lHoBlRh8oE5qPjPl0d2tbQp6a9+irgXS4+dHo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.96.68 with SMTP id g4mr1257495fan.33.1297885268097; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:41:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.103.4 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:41:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4d5b8ebb.rtHLeQYqI1Wgt+9x%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <201102141900.02996.lumiwa@gmail.com> <201102150557.33693.lumiwa@gmail.com> <20110215145139.ac6c74d9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110215135824.0000566a@unknown> <4d5b8ebb.rtHLeQYqI1Wgt+9x%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:41:08 -0500 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: perryh@pluto.rain.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: bruce@cran.org.uk, lumiwa@gmail.com, freebsd@edvax.de, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: android X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 19:41:59 -0000 On 16 February 2011 03:45, wrote: > Bruce Cran wrote: >> On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:51:39 +0100 >> Polytropon wrote: >> > You can check the partitioning of the da4 device with >> > =A0 =A0 # fdisk da4 >> "gpart show da4" is the modern way of doing this. > > Even if the disk was originally sliced and partitioned using > fdisk(8) and bsdlabel(8)? Yes: % gpart show =3D> 63 976773105 ada0 MBR (466G) 63 884997729 1 freebsd [active] (422G) 884997792 91775376 - free - (44G) =3D> 0 884997729 ada0s1 BSD (422G) 0 16 - free - (8.0K) 16 4194304 1 freebsd-ufs (2.0G) 4194320 31457280 2 freebsd-swap (15G) 35651600 4194304 4 freebsd-ufs (2.0G) 39845904 41943040 5 freebsd-ufs (20G) 81788944 803208785 6 freebsd-ufs (383G) --=20 -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 20:13:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF8E106564A for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:13:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59DDE8FC16 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:13:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-143-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.143.131]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726F53D136; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 21:13:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p1GKDLdM001554; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 21:13:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 21:13:21 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "illoai@gmail.com" Message-Id: <20110216211321.6ca6a209.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <201102141900.02996.lumiwa@gmail.com> <201102150557.33693.lumiwa@gmail.com> <20110215145139.ac6c74d9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110215135824.0000566a@unknown> <4d5b8ebb.rtHLeQYqI1Wgt+9x%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: android X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:13:26 -0000 On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:41:08 -0500, "illoai@gmail.com" w= rote: > On 16 February 2011 03:45, wrote: > > Bruce Cran wrote: > >> On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:51:39 +0100 > >> Polytropon wrote: > >> > You can check the partitioning of the da4 device with > >> > =A0 =A0 # fdisk da4 > >> "gpart show da4" is the modern way of doing this. > > > > Even if the disk was originally sliced and partitioned using > > fdisk(8) and bsdlabel(8)? >=20 > Yes: >=20 > % gpart show > =3D> 63 976773105 ada0 MBR (466G) > 63 884997729 1 freebsd [active] (422G) > 884997792 91775376 - free - (44G) >=20 > =3D> 0 884997729 ada0s1 BSD (422G) > 0 16 - free - (8.0K) > 16 4194304 1 freebsd-ufs (2.0G) > 4194320 31457280 2 freebsd-swap (15G) > 35651600 4194304 4 freebsd-ufs (2.0G) > 39845904 41943040 5 freebsd-ufs (20G) > 81788944 803208785 6 freebsd-ufs (383G) No. % gpart show % Or: % gpart show ad0 gpart: No such geom: ad0. Not invented here. :-) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 20:18:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B550106566C for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:18:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xnooby@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B958C8FC08 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:18:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so1830978bwz.13 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:18:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xUlMrt4jstbCvhVYodHsUUY0muN6V2Tz6j0IdbxPq8w=; b=s0fWTpi7RBHDyO49KuLEzTny18yrO+B+hk7tF+AW8cSThlsgsqVuebPts7gQ+97JkS sRELyWC1sufhdkkEzqjGOo8Z9gCAWcXnu6UPZOR1/hPxFQaqsiVo6ZypqcWgYs/NjGPO kr/3aP4Z9B6Wy654oqdwPv0NYczACs3LWhl9A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=URzq5qBqhEp0R6vWQ6fc+X9AdTR1t6aRp9cfnuSG1IXV9MNfHTAC7JoEgDpq5s2R0B +gTzFMXte6Od9xqVEVcnnejeDCeN6Z52y3k3lA1zgvhVdBFnx8cWQR1fxFpj+uRLbMnm 8Aqws1eusFuaiXdJ+1/zUT8Jcn1x+QYQ68Rfk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.81.72 with SMTP id w8mr862883bkk.205.1297887527439; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:18:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.73.213 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:18:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4D5AA85E.6070807@janh.de> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:18:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: Xn Nooby To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Jan Henrik Sylvester , questions-list freebsd Subject: Re: What is the best way to image copy a FreeBSD system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:18:49 -0000 I downloaded the "alternative testing" ubuntu-based version of Clonezilla, and it appeared to backup my FreeBSD machine. It identified my filesystem as UFS. I will wipe the drive and try a restore later tonight. It said it was backing up 30GB of files, which seemed odd for a fresh install. The backup was 7.5GB. There is a lot of good info in this thread, so I will be experimenting with the various methods discussed. It sounds like I really need to learn about dump/restore. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 15 Feb 2011, Jan Henrik Sylvester wrote: > >> I tried a version of Clonezilla that understood ufs and it was really fa= st >> copying a slice: It did not understand disklabels and copied only the a >> partition pretending that it did the entire slice. >> >> Did you try to copy a slice with multiple partitions? > > Since my T42 is handy, I'm testing the latest clonezilla-1.2.7-11-i686 im= age > on it, PXE-booted. =A0It shows this sliced/partitioned disk as > > Clonezilla =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0FreeBSD > ---------- =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0------- > sda =A0(60.0GB... > sda1 (60.0GB_ufs... =A0 / > sda5 (ufs... =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0/ > sda6 ((In_HTS... =A0 =A0 =A0swap > sda7 (ufs... =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0/var > sda8 (ufs... =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0/tmp > sda9 (ufs... =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0/usr > > "savedisk" will back up all of these from sda1 onwards, so there will be = two > copies of / (sda1 and sda5). =A0Same size but different md5s, no idea wha= t's > going on there. > > In the "saveparts" menu, the appropriate partitions can be picked by just > choosing all the ones showing ufs in the first part of the description, b= ut > Clonezilla will only restore them to existing partitions. =A0"restoredisk= " > doesn't recognize a backup directory created with saveparts. > > Using a VirtualBox system with a 62G disk, Clonezilla restored all the > partitions and the boot block. =A0The restored system boots and seems fin= e. > =A0It really ought to be verified with mtree checksums or something simil= ar. > > There are Clonezilla mailing lists, and anyone who wants to use it with > FreeBSD or other UFS filesystems should join. =A0(I don't generally use > Clonezilla for FreeBSD, and my project list is already too long, so I > haven't, but still...) > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 20:28:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25DD71065670 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:28:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6028FC18 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:28:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16so1767210fxm.13 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:28:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/04pJjG/BLBWq/i5p58ntakGk65zwm90NbSFrUn8QkA=; b=hVyUgzFIovY7+RzE6J04M4S5AUEhZ2u6OJBRMQeOmJUDyfQ7RnWSN9pJptiofjqWsG R9o1QTcaO0d+g7utmBv268Q5+YMzYXwiMWcwtDK8xaZeJSIJMFpkiirpTBrZJqHwuDAf kWqSKM9Ff7rc3cfHuM5VglI0lh1BRaQi49WxA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ujpT6GioSg/PQCwmhnyhiJi70i3Qs8ZmwracQz8J5IwBslp170uCrre7cbi8Z3LFvB +iqbFUsiBerEjOVyYAAVUIKheFke3KE93dB9yQzeJVf3DZ/omS6JNcKpwnDsElqAcZa0 sVvBdxByR5pxhlaHXqyWS/O6H56rNWm4qq3ws= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.112.1 with SMTP id u1mr1305859fap.109.1297888128319; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:28:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.103.4 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:28:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110216211321.6ca6a209.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <201102141900.02996.lumiwa@gmail.com> <201102150557.33693.lumiwa@gmail.com> <20110215145139.ac6c74d9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110215135824.0000566a@unknown> <4d5b8ebb.rtHLeQYqI1Wgt+9x%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20110216211321.6ca6a209.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:28:48 -0500 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: android X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:28:50 -0000 On 16 February 2011 15:13, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:41:08 -0500, "illoai@gmail.com" = wrote: >> On 16 February 2011 03:45, =A0 wrote: >> > Bruce Cran wrote: >> >> On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:51:39 +0100 >> >> Polytropon wrote: >> >> > You can check the partitioning of the da4 device with >> >> > =A0 =A0 # fdisk da4 >> >> "gpart show da4" is the modern way of doing this. >> > >> > Even if the disk was originally sliced and partitioned using >> > fdisk(8) and bsdlabel(8)? >> >> Yes: >> >> % gpart show >> =3D> =A0 =A0 =A0 63 =A0976773105 =A0ada0 =A0MBR =A0(466G) >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A063 =A0884997729 =A0 =A0 1 =A0freebsd =A0[active] =A0(= 422G) >> =A0 884997792 =A0 91775376 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0- free - =A0(44G) >> >> =3D> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0884997729 =A0ada0s1 =A0BSD =A0(422G) >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 16 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0- free - =A0= (8.0K) >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A016 =A0 =A04194304 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0freebsd-ufs =A0(2.= 0G) >> =A0 =A0 4194320 =A0 31457280 =A0 =A0 =A0 2 =A0freebsd-swap =A0(15G) >> =A0 =A035651600 =A0 =A04194304 =A0 =A0 =A0 4 =A0freebsd-ufs =A0(2.0G) >> =A0 =A039845904 =A0 41943040 =A0 =A0 =A0 5 =A0freebsd-ufs =A0(20G) >> =A0 =A081788944 =A0803208785 =A0 =A0 =A0 6 =A0freebsd-ufs =A0(383G) > > No. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0% gpart show > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0% > > Or: > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0% gpart show ad0 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0gpart: No such geom: ad0. > > Not invented here. :-) > Whoops, os yrros: C:\> gpart show 'gpart' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. C:\> --=20 -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 20:40:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2778106564A for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:40:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from ifdnrg29.ifdnrg.com (outbound.ifdnrg.com [193.200.98.138]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D2A8FC0A for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:40:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.85] (93-97-172-73.zone5.bethere.co.uk [93.97.172.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by ifdnrg29.ifdnrg.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1GKescJ031495 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:40:55 GMT (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Message-ID: <4D5C3653.6010001@ifdnrg.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:40:51 +0000 From: Paul Macdonald User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: clamd dying X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:40:57 -0000 Anyone seeing clamd dying sporadically, in my case usually once a day or so..? I first noticed this a few versions ago, which was due to the JIT byte code extension , and as a result i check the daemon every 5 mins and restart as required. This is on a border mail box which does get fairly hammered, although 'only' about 100k messages daily. As its fine on my internal mx's i might have answered my own question. the clamd debug logs are pretty useless though, all clamd internals, nothing about why its gone down, any hints? thanks Paul. -- ------------------------- Paul Macdonald IFDNRG Ltd Web and video hosting ------------------------- t: 0131 5548070 m: 07534206249 e: paul@ifdnrg.com w: http://www.ifdnrg.com ------------------------- IFDNRG 40 Maritime Street Edinburgh EH6 6SA ------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 20:46:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EBAF106564A for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:46:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout023.mac.com (asmtpout023.mac.com [17.148.16.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45EEE8FC08 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:46:38 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp023.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LGQ00D4F9P37490@asmtp023.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:46:15 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-02-16_06:2011-02-16, 2011-02-16, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1102160134 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <4D5C3653.6010001@ifdnrg.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:46:15 -0800 Message-id: References: <4D5C3653.6010001@ifdnrg.com> To: Paul Macdonald X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: clamd dying X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:46:39 -0000 Hi-- On Feb 16, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Paul Macdonald wrote: > Anyone seeing clamd dying sporadically, in my case usually once a day or so..? > > I first noticed this a few versions ago, which was due to the JIT byte code extension , and as a result i check the daemon every 5 mins and restart as required. While I'd like to guess which platform you are using, which version of clamd, etc, my crystal ball is being repaired-- you'll have to provide a bit more information. Anyway, if the crashes are readily reproducible, either run clamd under gdb or make arrangements for it to dump core for subsequent debugging. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 20:50:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C74381065693 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:50:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from osp@aloha.com) Received: from relay.pixi.com (relay.pixi.com [206.127.224.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6CE8FC1D for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:50:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpauth.pixi.com (smtpauth.pixi.com [206.127.224.131]) by relay.pixi.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p1GJxhSD007686 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:59:44 -1000 (HST) Received: from 70.50.100.25.in-addr.arpa (m460436d0.tmodns.net [208.54.4.70]) (user=osp@aloha.com mech=PLAIN) by smtpauth.pixi.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p1GJxVWG007649 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:59:39 -1000 (HST) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Open Slate Project Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:59:20 -1000 To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <6387ebff-a291-49e5-9894-8b61e3958aa8@email.android.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Bluetooth DUN tun0 IP setting X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:50:57 -0000 Freebsd 8.0-RELEASE-p2. Fujitsu Lifebook T1010. T-Mobile myTouch 3G slide. Android 2.1. PDA Net tether app. I get to where I can run rfcomm -a ... and PDA Net on phone responds that it is running, shows byte count, but a few seconds my console displays error. tun0: Error: ipcp_InterfaceUp: unable to set ip address. The tun0 appears in ifconfig /all but with no tcp/ip settings. In Windows 7 the tunnel interface gets 192.168.9.2, work gateway and dhcp at 9.1. I suspect /etc/ppp/ppp.conf network settings, on the 10.10.0 network. -- Gary Dunn, Honolulu Open Slate Project http://openslate.org http://www.facebook.com/garydunn808 http://e9erust.blogspot.com Twitter @garydunn808 Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 20:58:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 393BB1065670 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:58:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98068FC18 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:58:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-143-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.143.131]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0163D144; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 21:58:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p1GKwPTX001659; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 21:58:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 21:58:25 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Xn Nooby Message-Id: <20110216215825.62c608bc.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4D5AA85E.6070807@janh.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is the best way to image copy a FreeBSD system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:58:27 -0000 On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:18:47 -0500, Xn Nooby wrote: > It sounds like I really need to learn > about dump/restore. You should - it's fundamental UNIX basic knowledge. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 21:08:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0AF31065693 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 21:08:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 69A478FC1D for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 21:08:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 30478 invoked by uid 0); 16 Feb 2011 21:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2011 21:08:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=NEn/EF4KnzbQtmj4OhxeJf2wsotZiYHS5N9hstTcQxp3MipIcPLrPLl8Lw0XjO3qz6ALFxY11Ocx+aWg/INwq+dpWhLoZa/1IkMiG1mBjJxuqafuubfz+/153rKKcLDN; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ppoc9-0005eu-EU for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:08:46 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:58:21 -0700 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:58:21 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110216205821.GA75028@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4d5c06c5.6686d80a.6ae8.17e6@mx.google.com> <20110216172845.GC36398@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110216172845.GC36398@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: google browser? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 21:08:47 -0000 --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 09:28:45AM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: >=20 > It's called Vimium, and Chad Perrin figured out how to get it working on > FreeBSD. But Vimium isn't Vimperator, and chromium disables extensions > when viewing the home page or local files. So, for instance, vimium's > key bindings don't work when viewing an HTML attachment to an email. To be perfectly clear, what I had figured out was how to get Vimium working with Chromium v5.x, back when that was the only version of chromium in FreeBSD ports. The problem was that Vimium used an extension writing feature that did not exist until 6.x, so it would not install properly on 5.x. The chromium version in ports was eventually updated to 6.x obviating the need for my fix -- but then things sorta stagnated, and we ended up with the current circumstance of a transition to a new port maintainer. As Sterling indicates, though, Vimium does not work properly (or at all) under certain circumstances, and some basic capabilities that make Vimperator usable are not (easily, at least) within the capabilities of the chromium extension system. As such, it's pretty well inferior to Vimperator, through no fault of the extension writers as far as I'm aware. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1cOm0ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVo+ACgrSXV9DLmkbnMDKXo0cOpPX1K oU0AnipZDH8otYY0PCFN5hEEkOGAUMFB =lWtJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 21:09:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76E210656A5 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 21:09:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from ifdnrg29.ifdnrg.com (outbound.ifdnrg.com [193.200.98.138]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677DF8FC2C for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 21:09:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.85] (93-97-172-73.zone5.bethere.co.uk [93.97.172.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by ifdnrg29.ifdnrg.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1GL9NK2031956 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 21:09:23 GMT (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Message-ID: <4D5C3D00.7010808@ifdnrg.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 21:09:20 +0000 From: Paul Macdonald User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D5C3653.6010001@ifdnrg.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: clamd dying X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 21:09:25 -0000 On 16/02/2011 20:46, Chuck Swiger wrote: > Hi-- > > On Feb 16, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Paul Macdonald wrote: >> Anyone seeing clamd dying sporadically, in my case usually once a day or so..? >> >> I first noticed this a few versions ago, which was due to the JIT byte code extension , and as a result i check the daemon every 5 mins and restart as required. > While I'd like to guess which platform you are using, which version of clamd, etc, my crystal ball is being repaired-- you'll have to provide a bit more information. > > Anyway, if the crashes are readily reproducible, either run clamd under gdb or make arrangements for it to dump core for subsequent debugging. > > Regards, sorry, its all current tho obviously :P 8.1-RELEASE i386 (hmm its a xeon, poss someone used wrong install disk) clamav-0.97 typical dmesg is pid 74935 (clamd), uid 106: exited on signal 11 I was mainly interested to see if anyone else was seeing anything simliar. will try your gdb tip. thanks -- ------------------------- Paul Macdonald IFDNRG Ltd Web and video hosting ------------------------- t: 0131 5548070 m: 07534206249 e: paul@ifdnrg.com w: http://www.ifdnrg.com ------------------------- IFDNRG 40 Maritime Street Edinburgh EH6 6SA ------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 21:23:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1154C1065670 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 21:23:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elbbit@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C3E8FC1D for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 21:23:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyf6 with SMTP id 6so1157974eyf.13 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:23:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ss2CGv5VuEHen17JUb9/hE8ZI/9rmXpc3r/H++IQh/4=; b=GBvgS+m4uQ1KvoNUeWElGp9PeNZdxofyj/7NcjwjOyLTxS+my0IE1tW/IFZgxbw3fs 2DFfBqKLeIkfOZtJAWgipfVOFl3axInrDzN555owdCMcKfIi6+jxWJ3KxnJJWaR+YaBO Smccjmp+zXMIjd8kKap8m+Fu+co6TIBINgn28= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=AmQ8h0dcBJ8hshEeEhWD6T+8iAuK1Xmk+KTnN37bhrJCpPLcyECF3Y3KJrCw8Lc8jK pvDCRlE0K+xACi9H/6kCv7RfZ5RIrdenbD9ojaRRkpMAs5kWq1AdwJl/afFsOcwP1hfo 3arxht+2L8hN8CHG6OGeVIip6aa/yHlAhAIu4= Received: by 10.14.10.208 with SMTP id 56mr1190054eev.31.1297891395089; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:23:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.168.101.132] ([212.183.128.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x54sm172676eeh.17.2011.02.16.13.23.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:23:14 -0800 (PST) Sender: elbbit Message-ID: <4D5C4041.9020000@tibble.net> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 21:23:13 +0000 From: Simon Tibble User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101226 Icedove/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110214195811.E88C4106566C@hub.freebsd.org> <4D5996A3.4040602@tibble.net> <20110214211258.GA11557@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <4D59A2DF.2070604@tibble.net> <20110214234240.GB66413@guilt.hydra> <4D59DB62.8030603@tibble.net> <20110215190927.GA66944@guilt.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20110215190927.GA66944@guilt.hydra> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Invitation (waaaaay off-topic) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 21:23:34 -0000 On 15/02/11 19:09, Chad Perrin wrote: > Your attempt to convince people that the way you see the path is the One > True Path is distracting people from walking it, which if anything should > be regarded as pushing people off the path to argue with them about > whether the color of the dust on the path is brown or beige. > Chad, I thank you for teaching me humility. I owe you. -- Simon Tibble simon@tibble.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 22:13:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5BF1106566B for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 22:13:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mats.w.lindberg@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78DF28FC08 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 22:13:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyf6 with SMTP id 6so1176887eyf.13 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:13:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:from:content-type:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=vN+vlPyan0APSX3rYoBGE5EOqG9cfIVaqof5Cqd0HS8=; b=vR1Z1rbKCBmH3uMGLJuPfj6M5pkOEB6HcePp+5xerw61XyGnylW3S0AUUT9iKYelk/ /szCTk7p7BnAJcW8RojOdXwgeRqirjxze4icLCBHZBlvGnO6uvHzIJHNhfmcvy4utNeQ Tut5iLyDXGUIZSE+1Ou5Lf9cq5SHSivNdvYPI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:content-type:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:x-mailer; b=bmUvqHq6oZCmZaiDRdmYwscUkO5nCw1OI2yLQaet6H8XeRrhE1W06kuBSaTzWzunYz OL9/+OIxxCcIOTRux8upHqB6aEp9Ryih/eDHauFo8ILebHZkWH5JC6E/91svdW8syzof Gt0Ee1sp4s4ggmkCqR4ofUW55zEgcF+JFpY8Q= Received: by 10.213.105.74 with SMTP id s10mr1263989ebo.24.1297892805322; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:46:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (h139n1fls306o1032.telia.com [81.226.106.139]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q52sm196539eei.9.2011.02.16.13.46.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:46:44 -0800 (PST) From: Mats Lindbeg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 22:46:39 +0100 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8C148) Subject: sched_setscheduler() gives errno EPERM X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 22:13:14 -0000 All, I have a small program that simply changes the scheduling policy to SCHED_RR= with sched_setscheduler and then exec's into another program. This worked f= ine in FBSD 5.x and 6.x. Now when I'm migrating to 8.1 I get EPERM from the t= he setscheduler call. I have learned that If I start the same program with 'rtprio' it is allowed t= o change the scheduler. Strange to me - since I have always run it as root. W= hat is the policy in 8.1?? Can this behavior be circumvented somehow? Some s= ysctl? regards=20 /Mats= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 17 00:18:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BEEE1065673 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 00:18:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EB4918FC12 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 00:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 20134 invoked by uid 0); 17 Feb 2011 00:18:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2011 00:18:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=EdWtYHd5tDA96vHnGATJAV66od+nSQufYuLlp9ngGwRDugMAGPeI0c2RAckL9R/8bC9DqnRNzabsxvwBEMbYpnGPCPzEHJ2Qp3ZcYEeuH0vSges84fAT2lsk63WGn0CW; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PprZq-0005Qk-17 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 17:18:35 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 16 Feb 2011 17:08:09 -0700 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 17:08:09 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20110217000809.GC75709@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions References: <20110216185901.GD36398@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="1SQmhf2mF2YjsYvc" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110216185901.GD36398@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: [[FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Foundation Announces New Project] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 00:18:36 -0000 --1SQmhf2mF2YjsYvc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:59:01AM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > ----- Forwarded message from Deb Goodkin > ----- > > > > The FreeBSD Foundation is pleased to announce that Konstantin > > Belousov=20 > > has been awarded a grant to > > implement support of GEM, KMS, and DRI for Intel Drivers. This > > project=20 > > is being co-sponsored by iXsystems. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > W00t! Konstantin, please let me know if I can be of any help. I have > 8-STABLE on an Intel i3 M 350 with integrated HD graphics that I'll > gladly > move to 9-CURRENT if I can help this effort in any way. I recently came into possession of a laptop with Intel HD graphics as well, and would like to help this project along so I can run FreeBSD on it without everything looking stretchy. Let me know if I can help too. >=20 > Thanks to the Foundation for funding this! Time to go contribute > again. Ditto that. When my hardware is supported, it is my experience that FreeBSD makes the best workstation of any OS I've used. More hardware support for workstation-type use, then, is a good thing. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --1SQmhf2mF2YjsYvc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1cZukACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUjWgCg1qLPrI1fuseRrTzfgWsa8mzm MXUAoNaNZ2KwWnt3pyBedkSUedwd2/ac =MlvU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1SQmhf2mF2YjsYvc-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 17 05:33:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4339A106564A for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 05:33:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002F18FC08 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 05:33:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1H5XTj0022688; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 22:33:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p1H5XS5v022685; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 22:33:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 22:33:28 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Xn Nooby In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4D5AA85E.6070807@janh.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 16 Feb 2011 22:33:29 -0700 (MST) Cc: Jan Henrik Sylvester , questions-list freebsd Subject: Re: What is the best way to image copy a FreeBSD system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 05:33:30 -0000 On Wed, 16 Feb 2011, Xn Nooby wrote: > I downloaded the "alternative testing" ubuntu-based version of > Clonezilla, and it appeared to backup my FreeBSD machine. It > identified my filesystem as UFS. I will wipe the drive and try a > restore later tonight. It said it was backing up 30GB of files, > which seemed odd for a fresh install. The backup was 7.5GB. There > is a lot of good info in this thread, so I will be experimenting with > the various methods discussed. It sounds like I really need to learn > about dump/restore. Pardon if I've mentioned this already, but I have an article called "Backup Options For FreeBSD" at http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/backup.html It covers variations of dump/restore, and also mentions Clonezilla and dd and their advantages and disadvantages. Feedback welcome. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 17 06:29:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881F61065673 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 06:29:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sipx-dev-bounces@list.sipfoundry.org) Received: from list.sipfoundry.org (list.sipfoundry.org [184.73.152.126]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C1B28FC12 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 06:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list.sipfoundry.org (list.sipfoundry.org [127.0.0.1]) by list.sipfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1063D12C758 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 01:09:21 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: sipx-dev-bounces@list.sipfoundry.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 01:09:18 -0500 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: sipx-dev@list.sipfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 X-List-Administrivia: yes Sender: sipx-dev-bounces@list.sipfoundry.org Errors-To: sipx-dev-bounces@list.sipfoundry.org Subject: Your message to sipx-dev awaits moderator approval X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 06:29:10 -0000 Your mail to 'sipx-dev' with the subject Returned mail: Data format error Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. 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If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: http://list.sipfoundry.org/mailman/confirm/sipx-dev/3afb3086aa368d87ee736d703760dcbf288f1724 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 17 06:30:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D32D1065672 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 06:30:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=002215dcaf=johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [64.57.183.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E893E8FC13 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 06:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 75057 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2011 06:04:11 -0000 Received: from mail1.iecc.com (64.57.183.56) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2011 06:04:11 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=bae1.4d5cba5b.k1102; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=WO//EiwmVOdBnAz5Z/49izzPRN1DuuihyEudttk2C5M=; b=fre+CkTPrawAKwU4VdtE/Nt4GvdTUZTIandHOXvwL+H1RFC4ieLsoF26PiIG5eVReJm+XzhrkV/CrCbOIme18ukhSZIZh8jeVjtG1MBDotGj9EnLzdRAaEAZTd9IucoNHFNlgSrWrVIelXWispwLkdo/qWLCqm5uofES/OBeAMU= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Date: 17 Feb 2011 06:04:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20110217060411.47840.qmail@joyce.lan> From: John Levine To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <525C9A76-6D51-4FE9-834B-3BA39192822F@vicor.com> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: dteske@vicor.com Subject: Re: google browser? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 06:30:53 -0000 >I've heard certain noises on this list that the current >port-maintainer of Chromium has dropped the ball (not my words, just >paraphrasing the sentiment from the below thread). That's too bad. I'm using Chromium 6.0.472.63 from the ports which works quite nicely, although I'm aware of the security issues. It has the same plugin interface as Firefox so Flash and Java work reasonably well. It is indeed much faster than Firefox. R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 17 07:05:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A427E106566B for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 07:05:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djodom@djodom.com) Received: from p3plsmtpa01-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa01-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [72.167.82.86]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 88FF68FC14 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 07:05:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 9506 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2011 06:38:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (204.96.144.202) by p3plsmtpa01-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (72.167.82.86) with ESMTP; 17 Feb 2011 06:38:43 -0000 Message-ID: <4D5CC26E.4020606@djodom.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 00:38:38 -0600 From: Daniel Odom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Weird CUPS behavior X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 07:05:23 -0000 When I try to go to the CUPS configuration utility (at http://localhost:631) using Konqueror, X crashes and returns me to a shell prompt. I can't find any information about this behavior on the web. Any ideas? -- Daniel J Odom www.djodom.com djodom@djodom.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 17 07:17:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887E9106564A for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 07:17:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189AC8FC1F for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 07:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16so2216278fxm.13 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 23:17:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=24U1wjFQBUS9/dWuk3AUcbtT12sayRyVkX86h6zEujw=; b=WrTwwPbfvWNGF5QiyML/C0/Q6fM8UW7u2NSbU2Jsz2KzsBKuRJYt69mZPiHAhwvy21 JR9314y6fzOP/J3/LY52fFkPmgz5gyUAt1pnefD4Z0+rT8XS39r5sRnogrhmmWhVVk7e ybzrUdVSk9OKUwsv+dI9XPkQ8bzsmmntrfDqw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=p4fXqxuBXPzyPhhTk+9cMRs8rYdPCZ82ATgvLxOPizW1YdEZ7FbPnElqFAOwOcxE+/ ukZdjeomx1lcRqTL/vYyV+9dVXbMkVUUBdsGMCnqhxz4pTZmRgLRndwk7hIc7zTBCsq2 ikqpFsgusSVrpp2FyRWgkWah8qxAxgR7CEpYc= Received: by 10.223.71.195 with SMTP id i3mr1930202faj.149.1297927057890; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 23:17:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from Melon.malikania.fr (wifi-osiris-sec-181-113.u-strasbg.fr [130.79.181.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e6sm264682fav.32.2011.02.16.23.17.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 16 Feb 2011 23:17:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D5CCB72.20505@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 08:17:06 +0100 From: David Demelier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110125 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: mergemaster -U ask for a lot non-user modified files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 07:17:39 -0000 Hello, Each time I run mergemaster -UiF, it asks for a lot of file that I do not have modified such as /dev/rc.d/* and /etc/defaults/* ====================================================================== Use 'd' to delete the temporary ./etc/network.subr Use 'i' to install the temporary ./etc/network.subr Use 'm' to merge the temporary and installed versions Use 'v' to view the diff results again Default is to leave the temporary file to deal with by hand How should I deal with this? [Leave it for later] I never touched this file! Why it asks me to install the new one? Cheers, -- David Demelier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 17 13:22:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126111065673 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 13:22:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frlinux@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6348FC0A for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 13:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf19 with SMTP id 19so2500198wyf.13 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 05:22:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tkTIlhZyEtbd8DKUWmUh3hlCMgyxqZFTE3siEiZBIUo=; b=kCB/2UBXw3R5pVcs9XMZmZyXl9NJyGfhNFoKPl/LC63eLCun4k6yFcWpF0M45CFYpe BrNe9/3ewkueSd+5m1o9ZB0coDicEf4Rs43JkymKX47vLPCUnJX/1jqbtML7TULo/8rS Q3VTo9ZiGQ8LZp5JjoZadoWFa1eUzcdTnSiLs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=dw2rYq+FChvOmauKHB5cnjdvuHB0AjWoFoBDmClrpHNXfs0TKDpW0ejyvgGEZzRe2A R2qXkf2bH/4+XE035N4niEB3uPXSA5erTe5+MZV6HbktG5ay5my5oBFfYhNcv+tlWmxn 0tXCQw9udrIMcEKyBjTy2bsyFR1NzRN/XsESg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.138.14 with SMTP id y14mr1657738wbt.10.1297948969032; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 05:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.69.200 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 05:22:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 13:22:48 +0000 Message-ID: From: FRLinux To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: 8.2-RC1 > RC3 : crashes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 13:22:51 -0000 Hello, I have a stable server doing heavy backups on a nightly basis, it uses a mix of rsync and backuppc and serves also NFS to other servers for remote backups. I did a freebsd-update fetch -r 8.2-RC3 lately and following that it dies every night. What seems to trigger it is the following in the logs: Feb 17 01:50:22 bigstore kernel: fsync: giving up on dirty Feb 17 01:50:22 bigstore kernel: 0xffffff0024d5a1d8: tag devfs, type VCHR Feb 17 01:50:22 bigstore kernel: usecount 1, writecount 0, refcount 40745 mountedhere 0xffffff0008666400 Feb 17 01:50:22 bigstore kernel: flags () Feb 17 01:50:22 bigstore kernel: v_object 0xffffff0024df7e58 ref 0 pages 800971 Feb 17 01:50:22 bigstore kernel: lock type devfs: EXCL by thread 0xffffff0008113000 (pid 7) Feb 17 01:50:22 bigstore kernel: dev da0.journal Feb 17 01:50:22 bigstore kernel: GEOM_JOURNAL: Cannot suspend file system /mnt/backups (error=35). Feb 17 02:02:51 bigstore kernel: fsync: giving up on dirty Feb 17 02:02:51 bigstore kernel: 0xffffff0024d5a1d8: tag devfs, type VCHR Feb 17 02:02:51 bigstore kernel: usecount 1, writecount 0, refcount 42952 mountedhere 0xffffff0008666400 Feb 17 02:02:51 bigstore kernel: flags () Feb 17 02:02:51 bigstore kernel: v_object 0xffffff0024df7e58 ref 0 pages 809311 Feb 17 02:02:51 bigstore kernel: lock type devfs: EXCL by thread 0xffffff0008113000 (pid 7) Feb 17 02:02:51 bigstore kernel: dev da0.journal Feb 17 02:02:51 bigstore kernel: Feb 17 02:02:52 bigstore kernel: GEOM_JOURNAL: Cannot suspend file system /mnt/backups (error=35). Feb 17 02:21:42 bigstore kernel: fsync: giving up on dirty Feb 17 02:21:42 bigstore kernel: 0xffffff0024d5a1d8: tag devfs, type VCHR Feb 17 02:21:42 bigstore kernel: usecount 1, writecount 0, refcount 37458 mountedhere 0xffffff0008666400 Feb 17 02:21:42 bigstore kernel: flags () Feb 17 02:21:42 bigstore kernel: v_object 0xffffff0024df7e58 ref 0 pages 756455 Feb 17 02:21:42 bigstore kernel: lock type devfs: EXCL by thread 0xffffff0008113000 (pid 7) Feb 17 02:21:42 bigstore kernel: dev da0.journal Feb 17 02:21:42 bigstore kernel: GEOM_JOURNAL: Cannot suspend file system /mnt/backups (error=35). If I rollback to 8.2-RC1, the problem mostly goes away but it can happen that after a few weeks, it does indeed crash too. Backups partition is on RAID10 array using a 3ware 9650 controller. 9650SE-24M8 So I was wondering if anyone has a similar problem? Here's the specs of the box: Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore syslogd: kernel boot file is /boot/kernel/kernel Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: Copyright (c) 1992-2011 The FreeBSD Project. Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: FreeBSD 8.2-RC3 #0: Sun Jan 30 06:28:31 UTC 2011 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: root@mason.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5620 @ 2.40GHz (2399.98-MHz K8-class CPU) Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x206c2 Family = 6 Model = 2c Stepping = 2 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: Features=0xbfebfbff Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: Features2=0x29ee3ff Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: AMD Features=0x2c100800 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: AMD Features2=0x1 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: TSC: P-state invariant Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: real memory = 8589934592 (8192 MB) Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: avail memory = 8151887872 (7774 MB) Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ACPI APIC Table: Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 8 CPUs Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 4 core(s) x 2 SMT threads Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 2 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: cpu3 (AP): APIC ID: 3 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: cpu4 (AP): APIC ID: 18 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: cpu5 (AP): APIC ID: 19 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: cpu6 (AP): APIC ID: 20 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: cpu7 (AP): APIC ID: 21 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ioapic1 irqs 24-47 on motherboard Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: lapic0: Forcing LINT1 to edge trigger Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: kbd1 at kbdmux0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: acpi0: on motherboard Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: acpi0: [ITHREAD] Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: acpi0: Power Button (fixed) Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x408-0x40b on acpi0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: cpu0: on acpi0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: cpu1: on acpi0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: cpu2: on acpi0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: cpu3: on acpi0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: cpu4: on acpi0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: cpu5: on acpi0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: cpu6: on acpi0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: cpu7: on acpi0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pci0: on pcib0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pcib1: irq 28 at device 1.0 on pci0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pci1: on pcib1 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: igb0: port 0x2020-0x203f mem 0xb3a20000-0xb3a3ffff,0xb3a44000-0xb3a47fff irq 40 at device 0.0 on pci1 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: igb0: Using MSIX interrupts with 5 vectors Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: igb0: [ITHREAD] Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore last message repeated 4 times Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: igb0: Ethernet address: 00:15:17:fd:1e:54 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: igb1: port 0x2000-0x201f mem 0xb3a00000-0xb3a1ffff,0xb3a40000-0xb3a43fff irq 28 at device 0.1 on pci1 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: igb1: Using MSIX interrupts with 5 vectors Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: igb1: [ITHREAD] Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore last message repeated 4 times Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: igb1: Ethernet address: 00:15:17:fd:1e:55 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pcib2: irq 24 at device 3.0 on pci0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pci2: on pcib2 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pcib3: irq 30 at device 7.0 on pci0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pci3: on pcib3 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: 3ware device driver for 9000 series storage controllers, version: 3.80.06.003 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: twa0: <3ware 9000 series Storage Controller> port 0x1000-0x10ff mem 0xb0000000-0xb1ffffff,0xb3900000-0xb3900fff irq 30 at device 0.0 on pci3 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: twa0: [ITHREAD] Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: twa0: WARNING: (0x04: 0x0006): Incomplete unit detected: unit=1 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: twa0: INFO: (0x15: 0x1300): Controller details:: Model 9650SE-24M8, 24 ports, Firmware FE9X 4.10.00.007, BIOS BE9X 4.08.00.002 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pcib4: irq 32 at device 9.0 on pci0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pci4: on pcib4 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pci0: at device 16.0 (no driver attached) Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pci0: at device 16.1 (no driver attached) Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pci0: at device 17.0 (no driver attached) Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pci0: at device 17.1 (no driver attached) Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pci0: at device 20.0 (no driver attached) Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pci0: at device 20.1 (no driver attached) Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pci0: at device 20.2 (no driver attached) Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pci0: at device 20.3 (no driver attached) Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pci0: at device 22.0 (no driver attached) Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pci0: at device 22.1 (no driver attached) Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pci0: at device 22.2 (no driver attached) Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pci0: at device 22.3 (no driver attached) Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pci0: at device 22.4 (no driver attached) Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pci0: at device 22.5 (no driver attached) Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pci0: at device 22.6 (no driver attached) Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pci0: at device 22.7 (no driver attached) Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhci0: port 0x30e0-0x30ff irq 19 at device 26.0 on pci0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhci0: [ITHREAD] Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhci0: LegSup = 0x3000 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: usbus0: on uhci0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhci1: port 0x30c0-0x30df irq 19 at device 26.1 on pci0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhci1: [ITHREAD] Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: usbus1: on uhci1 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhci2: port 0x30a0-0x30bf irq 19 at device 26.2 on pci0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhci2: [ITHREAD] Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: usbus2: on uhci2 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ehci0: mem 0xb3b22000-0xb3b223ff irq 19 at device 26.7 on pci0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ehci0: [ITHREAD] Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: usbus3: EHCI version 1.0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: usbus3: on ehci0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pcib5: irq 16 at device 28.0 on pci0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pci5: on pcib5 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pcib6: irq 16 at device 28.4 on pci0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pci6: on pcib6 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: vgapci0: mem 0xb2000000-0xb2ffffff,0xb3800000-0xb3803fff,0xb3000000-0xb37fffff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci6 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhci3: port 0x3080-0x309f irq 16 at device 29.0 on pci0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhci3: [ITHREAD] Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: usbus4: on uhci3 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhci4: port 0x3060-0x307f irq 16 at device 29.1 on pci0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhci4: [ITHREAD] Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: usbus5: on uhci4 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhci5: port 0x3040-0x305f irq 16 at device 29.2 on pci0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhci5: [ITHREAD] Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: usbus6: on uhci5 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ehci1: mem 0xb3b21000-0xb3b213ff irq 16 at device 29.7 on pci0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ehci1: [ITHREAD] Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: usbus7: EHCI version 1.0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: usbus7: on ehci1 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pcib7: at device 30.0 on pci0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pci7: on pcib7 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: isab0: at device 31.0 on pci0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: isa0: on isab0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: atapci0: port 0x3108-0x310f,0x3114-0x3117,0x3100-0x3107,0x3110-0x3113,0x3020-0x303f mem 0xb3b20000-0xb3b207ff irq 18 at device 31.2 on pci0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: atapci0: [ITHREAD] Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: atapci0: AHCI called from vendor specific driver Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: atapci0: AHCI v1.20 controller with 6 3Gbps ports, PM not supported Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ata2: on atapci0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ata2: [ITHREAD] Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ata3: on atapci0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ata3: [ITHREAD] Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ata4: on atapci0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ata4: [ITHREAD] Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pci0: at device 31.3 (no driver attached) Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: acpi_button0: on acpi0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: atrtc0: port 0x70-0x71,0x74-0x77 irq 8 on acpi0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: acpi_hpet0: iomem 0xfed00000-0xfed003ff on acpi0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 900 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uart0: <16550 or compatible> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uart0: [FILTER] Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: qpi0: on motherboard Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pcib8: pcibus 255 on qpi0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: pci255: on pcib8 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: orm0: at iomem 0xc0000-0xc7fff,0xcb000-0xcbfff,0xcc000-0xccfff,0xcd000-0xcefff on isa0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: atkbd: unable to set the command byte. Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: kbd0 at atkbd0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: atkbd0: [ITHREAD] Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: psm0: unable to set the command byte. Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ppc0: cannot reserve I/O port range Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: est0: on cpu0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: p4tcc0: on cpu0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: est1: on cpu1 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: p4tcc1: on cpu1 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: est2: on cpu2 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: p4tcc2: on cpu2 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: est3: on cpu3 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: p4tcc3: on cpu3 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: est4: on cpu4 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: p4tcc4: on cpu4 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: est5: on cpu5 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: p4tcc5: on cpu5 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: est6: on cpu6 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: p4tcc6: on cpu6 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: est7: on cpu7 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: p4tcc7: on cpu7 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: usbus0: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: usbus1: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: usbus2: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: usbus3: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: usbus4: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: usbus5: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: usbus6: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: usbus7: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ad4: 143089MB at ata2-master UDMA100 SATA 3Gb/s Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ugen0.1: at usbus0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhub0: on usbus0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ugen1.1: at usbus1 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhub1: on usbus1 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ugen2.1: at usbus2 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhub2: on usbus2 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ugen3.1: at usbus3 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhub3: on usbus3 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ugen4.1: at usbus4 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhub4: on usbus4 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ugen5.1: at usbus5 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhub5: on usbus5 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ugen6.1: at usbus6 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhub6: on usbus6 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ugen7.1: at usbus7 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhub7: on usbus7 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ad6: 143089MB at ata3-master UDMA100 SATA 3Gb/s Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: GEOM: ad6: partition 2 does not start on a track boundary. Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: GEOM: ad6: partition 2 does not end on a track boundary. Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: GEOM: ad6: partition 1 does not start on a track boundary. Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: GEOM: ad6: partition 1 does not end on a track boundary. Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: acd0: DVDR at ata4-master UDMA100 SATA 1.5Gb/s Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhub4: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhub5: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhub6: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhub3: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: uhub7: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ugen5.2: at usbus5 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ar0: writing of DDF metadata is NOT supported yet Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ar0: 142097MB status: READYda0 at twa0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-5 device Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: da0: 100.000MB/s transfers Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: da0: 19073380MB (39062282240 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2431514C) Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ar0: disk0 READY (master) using ad4 at ata2-master Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ar0: disk1 READY (mirror) using ad6 at ata3-master Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: lapic1: Forcing LINT1 to edge trigger Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: lapic3: Forcing LINT1 to edge trigger Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: SMP: AP CPU #3 Launched! Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: lapic18: Forcing LINT1 to edge trigger Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: SMP: AP CPU #4 Launched! Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: lapic21: Forcing LINT1 to edge trigger Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: SMP: AP CPU #7 Launched! Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: lapic2: Forcing LINT1 to edge trigger Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: SMP: AP CPU #2 Launched! Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: lapic19: Forcing LINT1 to edge trigger Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: SMP: AP CPU #5 Launched! Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: lapic20: Forcing LINT1 to edge trigger Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: SMP: AP CPU #6 Launched! Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: GEOM_JOURNAL: Journal 1227339136: da0 contains data. Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: GEOM_JOURNAL: Journal 1227339136: da0 contains journal.ukbd0: on usbus5 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: GEOM_JOURNAL: Journal da0 clean. Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: GEOM: ar0s1: geometry does not match label (16h,63s != 255h,63s). Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: kbd2 at ukbd0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: Root mount waiting for: GJOURNAL Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ums0: on usbus5 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ums0: 3 buttons and [XYZ] coordinates ID=0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad4s1a Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ugen2.2: at usbus2 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ukbd1: on usbus2 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: kbd3 at ukbd1 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ums1: on usbus2 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ums1: 3 buttons and [Z] coordinates ID=0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore mountd[893]: bad exports list line /mnt/backups/spacewalk Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore mountd[893]: bad exports list line /mnt/backups/shstore Feb 17 10:36:53 bigstore ntpd[1005]: ntpd 4.2.4p5-a (1) Feb 17 10:36:53 bigstore nrpe[1068]: Starting up daemon Feb 17 10:36:54 bigstore root: /etc/rc: WARNING: failed to start backuppc Feb 17 10:36:56 bigstore 3dm2: ENCL: Monitoring service started. Feb 17 10:36:56 bigstore 3dm2: ENCL: Enclosure Monitoring service is enabled. Any advice welcome... Cheers, Steph From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 17 16:19:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4077A1065693 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:19:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE1E98FC1D for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:19:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.88]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 67FED16B507 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 10:18:57 -0600 (CST) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 10:15:57 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 10:15:46 -0600 (CST) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@debranded.6dollardialup.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110217101430.A1448@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: ppp auto only works on boot (8.1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:19:13 -0000 I upgraded from 7.3 to 8.1. I have an internal 3com (dial-up) 56k modem. My ppp.conf script works when I boot, but I cannot bring up the connection again when it has gone down by timing out or pppctl quit. Needless to say, there was no such problem in 7.3. I have been over and over the HARDWARE.txt without being able to find what other hardware I might still be able to buy that would allow me to connect by dial-up (not DSL). Of course I have all kinds of winmodems lying around, including sever Lucent modems that worked with a shim from a port that appears to have been abandoned. This seems to be where uart picks up the modem (dmesg) uart2: port 0xa400-0xa407 irq 17 at device 9.0 on pci3 uart2: [FILTER] This is ppp.log for successful connection (on boot) and failed connection after timeout (on boot - successful) Feb 17 09:48:13 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Chat: Received: ATDT4194220^M^M Feb 17 09:48:13 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Chat: Received: CONNECT Feb 17 09:48:13 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: dial -> carrier Feb 17 09:48:14 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: /dev/cuau2: CD detected Feb 17 09:48:14 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: carrier -> login Feb 17 09:48:14 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: login -> lcp Feb 17 09:48:14 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: FSM: Using "deflink" as a transport Feb 17 09:48:14 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Initial --> Closed Feb 17 09:48:14 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Closed --> Stopped Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: LayerStart Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(1) state = Stopped Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: ACFCOMP[2] Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: PROTOCOMP[2] Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: ACCMAP[6] 0x00000000 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: MRU[4] 1500 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: MAGICNUM[6] 0x2f3117de Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Stopped --> Req-Sent Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: RecvConfigReq(1) state = Req-Sent Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: <0x0>[4] 0000 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: MRU[4] 1524 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: ACCMAP[6] 0x00000000 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: AUTHPROTO[5] 0xc223 (CHAP 0x05) Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: PROTOCOMP[2] Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: ACFCOMP[2] Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: MRRU[4] 1524 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: ENDDISC[9] MAC 00:c0:7b:9f:76:34 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendConfigRej(1) state = Req-Sent Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: <0x0>[4] 0000 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: MRRU[4] 1524 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendIdent(0) state = Req-Sent Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: MAGICNUM 2f3117de Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: TEXT user-ppp 3.4.2 (built COMPILATIONDATE) Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: RecvConfigAck(1) state = Req-Sent Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: ACFCOMP[2] Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: PROTOCOMP[2] Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: ACCMAP[6] 0x00000000 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: MRU[4] 1500 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: MAGICNUM[6] 0x2f3117de Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Req-Sent --> Ack-Rcvd Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: RecvConfigReq(2) state = Ack-Rcvd Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: MRU[4] 1524 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: ACCMAP[6] 0x00000000 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: AUTHPROTO[5] 0xc223 (CHAP 0x05) Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: PROTOCOMP[2] Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: ACFCOMP[2] Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: ENDDISC[9] MAC 00:c0:7b:9f:76:34 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendConfigAck(2) state = Ack-Rcvd Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: MRU[4] 1524 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: ACCMAP[6] 0x00000000 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: AUTHPROTO[5] 0xc223 (CHAP 0x05) Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: PROTOCOMP[2] Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: ACFCOMP[2] Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: ENDDISC[9] MAC 00:c0:7b:9f:76:34 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Ack-Rcvd --> Opened Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: LayerUp Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendIdent(1) state = Opened Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: MAGICNUM 2f3117de Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: TEXT user-ppp 3.4.2 (built COMPILATIONDATE) Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Authenticate Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: his = CHAP 0x05, mine = none Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: Chap Input: CHALLENGE (16 bytes from dalmax1) Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: Chap Output: RESPONSE (lars@gomailme.com) Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: Chap Input: SUCCESS Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: Using trigger address 0.0.0.0 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: FSM: Using "deflink" as a transport Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: deflink: State change Initial --> Closed Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: deflink: LayerStart. Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(1) state = Closed Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: DEFLATE[4] win 15 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: PRED1[2] Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: deflink: State change Closed --> Req-Sent Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: lcp -> open Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Network Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: FSM: Using "deflink" as a transport Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: State change Initial --> Closed Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: LayerStart. Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(1) state = Closed Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 0.0.0.0 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: COMPPROTO[6] 16 VJ slots with slot compression Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: PRIDNS[6] 216.110.13.9 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: SECDNS[6] 255.255.255.255 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: State change Closed --> Req-Sent Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: RecvConfigReq(1) state = Req-Sent Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: COMPPROTO[6] 16 VJ slots with slot compression Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 216.110.13.65 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: SendConfigAck(1) state = Req-Sent Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: COMPPROTO[6] 16 VJ slots with slot compression Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 216.110.13.65 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: State change Req-Sent --> Ack-Sent Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: deflink: RecvConfigReq(1) state = Req-Sent Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: STAC[6] Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: deflink: SendConfigRej(1) state = Req-Sent Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: STAC[6] Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendIdent(2) state = Opened Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: MAGICNUM 2f3117de Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: TEXT user-ppp 3.4.2 (built COMPILATIONDATE) Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: deflink: RecvConfigRej(1) state = Req-Sent Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendIdent(3) state = Opened Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: MAGICNUM 2f3117de Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: TEXT user-ppp 3.4.2 (built COMPILATIONDATE) Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: DEFLATE[4] win 15 Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: PRED1[2] Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(2) state = Req-Sent Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: [EMPTY] Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: RecvConfigRej(1) state = Ack-Sent Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendIdent(4) state = Opened Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: MAGICNUM 2f3117de Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: TEXT user-ppp 3.4.2 (built COMPILATIONDATE) Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: PRIDNS[6] 216.110.13.9 Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: SECDNS[6] 255.255.255.255 Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(2) state = Ack-Sent Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 0.0.0.0 Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: COMPPROTO[6] 16 VJ slots with slot compression Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: deflink: RecvTerminateReq(2) state = Req-Sent Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: deflink: SendTerminateAck(2) state = Req-Sent Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: RecvConfigNak(2) state = Ack-Sent Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 216.110.13.87 Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: IPADDR[6] changing address: 0.0.0.0 --> 216.110.13.87 Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(3) state = Ack-Sent Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 216.110.13.87 Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: COMPPROTO[6] 16 VJ slots with slot compression Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: RecvConfigAck(3) state = Ack-Sent Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 216.110.13.87 Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: COMPPROTO[6] 16 VJ slots with slot compression Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: State change Ack-Sent --> Opened Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: LayerUp. Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: myaddr 216.110.13.87 hisaddr = 216.110.13.65 Feb 17 09:48:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Warning: 0.0.0.0/0: Change route failed: errno: No such process Feb 17 09:48:19 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(2) state = Req-Sent Feb 17 09:48:19 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: [EMPTY] Feb 17 09:48:22 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(2) state = Req-Sent Feb 17 09:48:22 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: [EMPTY] Feb 17 09:48:25 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(2) state = Req-Sent Feb 17 09:48:25 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: [EMPTY] Feb 17 09:48:28 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(2) state = Req-Sent Feb 17 09:48:28 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: [EMPTY] Feb 17 09:48:31 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: deflink: LayerFinish. Feb 17 09:48:31 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: deflink: State change Req-Sent --> Stopped (connection times out and cannot be re-established) Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: Idle timer expired Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: LayerDown: 216.110.13.87 Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: Using trigger address 0.0.0.0 Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: SendTerminateReq(4) state = Opened Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: State change Opened --> Closing Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: RecvTerminateAck(4) state = Closing Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: LayerFinish. Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: Connect time: 374 secs: 44707 octets in, 8264 octets out Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: 136 packets in, 137 packets out Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: total 141 bytes/sec, peak 6379 bytes/sec on Thu Feb 17 09:49:09 2011 Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: State change Closing --> Closed Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Terminate Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: deflink: State change Stopped --> Closed Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: CCP: deflink: State change Closed --> Initial Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: LayerDown Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendTerminateReq(2) state = Opened Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Opened --> Closing Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: open -> lcp Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Warning: 0.0.0.0/0: Change route failed: errno: No such process Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: State change Closed --> Initial Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: RecvTerminateAck(2) state = Closing Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: LayerFinish Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Closing --> Closed Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Closed --> Initial Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Disconnected! Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: lcp -> logout Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: logout -> hangup Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Disconnected! Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connect time: 403 secs: 45367 octets in, 9529 octets out Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: 2819 packets in, 160 packets out Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: total 136 bytes/sec, peak 6407 bytes/sec on Thu Feb 17 09:49:09 2011 Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: hangup -> closed Feb 17 09:54:29 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Dead Feb 17 09:54:54 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Establish Feb 17 09:54:54 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: closed -> opening Feb 17 09:54:54 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connected! Feb 17 09:54:54 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: opening -> dial Feb 17 09:54:54 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Chat: Phone: 4194220 Feb 17 09:54:54 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Chat: deflink: Dial attempt 1 of 1 Feb 17 09:54:54 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Chat: Send: ATM0L0^M Feb 17 09:54:54 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Chat: Expect(5): OK Feb 17 09:54:54 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Chat: Received: ATM0L0^M^M Feb 17 09:54:54 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Chat: Received: OK Feb 17 09:54:54 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Chat: Send: ATDT4194220^M Feb 17 09:54:56 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Chat: Expect(80): CONNECT Feb 17 09:54:56 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Chat: Received: ^M Feb 17 09:56:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Chat: Expect timeout Feb 17 09:56:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Warning: Chat script failed Feb 17 09:56:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: dial -> hangup Feb 17 09:56:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Disconnected! Feb 17 09:56:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connect time: 82 secs: 0 octets in, 0 octets out Feb 17 09:56:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: 2819 packets in, 160 packets out Feb 17 09:56:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: total 0 bytes/sec, peak 0 bytes/sec on Thu Feb 17 09:54:54 2011 Feb 17 09:56:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: hangup -> closed Feb 17 09:56:16 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Dead Feb 17 09:56:17 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Establish Feb 17 09:56:17 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: closed -> opening Feb 17 09:56:17 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connected! Feb 17 09:56:17 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: opening -> dial Feb 17 09:56:17 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Chat: Phone: 4194220 Feb 17 09:56:17 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Chat: deflink: Dial attempt 1 of 1 Feb 17 09:56:17 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Chat: Send: ATM0L0^M Feb 17 09:56:17 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Chat: Expect(5): OK Feb 17 09:56:17 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Chat: Received: ATDT4194220^MATM0L0^M^M Feb 17 09:56:17 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Chat: Received: OK Feb 17 09:56:17 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Chat: Send: ATDT4194220^M Feb 17 09:56:19 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Chat: Expect(80): CONNECT Feb 17 09:56:19 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Chat: Received: ^MA ppp.conf --- except for /dev change exactly the same as worked in 7.3 (I have also tried with hardware control off with the same result. ipv6cp and mppe are disabled because they are not supported by my ISP and trying to negotiate them is a waste of time.) ################################################################# # PPP Sample Configuration File # Originally written by Toshiharu OHNO # Simplified 5/14/1999 by wself@cdrom.com # # See /usr/share/examples/ppp/ for some examples # # $FreeBSD: src/etc/ppp/ppp.conf,v 1.10 2004/11/19 17:12:56 obrien Exp $ ################################################################# default: set log Phase Chat LCP IPCP CCP tun command # set log Phase Chat IPCP CCP tun command ident user-ppp VERSION (built COMPILATIONDATE) disable ipv6cp disable mppe # Ensure that "device" references the correct serial port # for your modem. (cuad0 = COM1, cuad1 = COM2) # set device /dev/cuau2 set ctsrts on # set accmap "000a0000" set server /var/run/internet "" 0177 set speed 115200 set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \"\" \ ATM0L0 OK \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 80 CONNECT" # set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \ # \"\" AT OK-AT-OK ATE1Q0 OK \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 80 CONNECT" set timeout 300 # 3 minute idle timer (the default) enable dns # request DNS info (for resolv.conf) papchap: # # edit the next three lines and replace the items in caps with # the values which have been assigned by your ISP. # set phone 4194220 set authname XXXXXXXXXXXXXX set authkey XXXXXXXXXXXXX set ifaddr 10.0.0.3/0 10.0.0.4/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0 add default HISADDR # Add a (sticky) default route -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 17 18:57:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C183106564A for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:57:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbiquez@intranet.com.mx) Received: from intranet.com.mx (intranet.com.mx [200.33.246.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D058FC1B for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:57:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from PC.intranet.com.mx (189.144.176.86) by intranet.com.mx with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.9) for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 12:44:32 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 12:43:24 -0600 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Jorge Biquez Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-ID: <3380813072-1551442120@intranet.com.mx> Subject: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:57:35 -0000 Hello all. I am evaluating to buy a new laptop for using it only with Freebsd. I know in the website mention some options. Thing is that here the most powerful ones (I3, I5 I7) are sold ONLY with Windows installed and that increase the value of the equipment. I want the best option at a nice price (could be Intel or AMD) the ide is to have it as my main machine and when I need Linux or Windows have them there running under VirtualBox. The use will be mainly for web development. My idea is to buy it with FreeDos or Linux installed or without operating system but here there is not an option for powerful equuipment unless you want one with Atom processor. The powerful one came ONLY with Windows installed. I am thinking to ask a friend that travels frequently to USA to buy one for me. Any suggestion of where and what equipment to buy, without OS (Windows) preinstalled? Of course at a good price and the most powerful one. Thanks in advance. Jorge Biquez From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 17 19:15:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B754106566B for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:15:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout030.mac.com (asmtpout030.mac.com [17.148.16.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D1B18FC0A for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:15:02 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp030.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LGS00I8T0511M00@asmtp030.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 11:15:02 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-02-17_07:2011-02-17, 2011-02-17, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1102170136 From: Chuck Swiger X-Priority: 1 (Highest) In-reply-to: <3380813072-1551442120@intranet.com.mx> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 11:15:01 -0800 Message-id: References: <3380813072-1551442120@intranet.com.mx> To: Jorge Biquez X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:15:02 -0000 Hola, Jorge-- On Feb 17, 2011, at 10:43 AM, Jorge Biquez wrote: > I am evaluating to buy a new laptop for using it only with Freebsd. I know in the website mention some options. Thing is that here the most powerful ones (I3, I5 I7) are sold ONLY with Windows installed and that increase the value of the equipment. I want the best option at a nice price (could be Intel or AMD) the ide is to have it as my main machine and when I need Linux or Windows have them there running under VirtualBox. The use will be mainly for web development. You have some choices: 1) Find a vendor offering to sell a machine with Linux preinstalled. At times in the past, IIRC, both HP and Dell used to do this. 2) Call up a sales guy from your preferred vendor and ask to purchase a bare machine without OS. If they refuse to sell you one, choose another vendor. 3) Buy a machine with the base Win 7 Home installed, decline the license, and request a refund. Be prepared to waste significant time on this, but it can be done. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 17 19:32:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D421106564A for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:32:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E273E8FC08 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:32:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so1275413ewy.13 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 11:32:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tWKikgmKm7i79lvsq8Jyl/5QRUOPjRZh9shWXapO+/g=; b=q3qAv6D5IjtnCeBmwGBYULLTtdp4Cge6fsPoK5DsUFlpniPfvMAviS8L/UMcnCZM/y HnzTO92m03JcdmzTQ1rxgwMD+gz5ByZbaQiHe6TSpYJE7JiQXeYUI4XbZQwptpyZm7GM HkPuBT2w3K7wQvXUsv8zQylTEg+JzzH45kBGk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CWSggKywbDmgYlGXzT/NNOhvdEQVfTA2W+seqZxE81HpqnFSpxcHrTe284Eo+n2slQ 18M+1zos5JCdiGbWJMpv+Go039VIPfJ39NzfyzEFshdYUjz3UcDXh4Xk+NKvmBnHCDl+ HGPa73o4SLwSfyWpdLp+lcZ6QI2WDZ0sF0vak= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.83.208 with SMTP id g16mr2866426fal.52.1297971159775; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 11:32:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.103.4 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 11:32:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3380813072-1551442120@intranet.com.mx> References: <3380813072-1551442120@intranet.com.mx> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:32:39 -0500 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Jorge Biquez Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:32:41 -0000 On 17 February 2011 13:43, Jorge Biquez wrote: > Hello all. > > I am evaluating to buy a new laptop for using it only with Freebsd. I kno= w > in the website mention some options. Thing is that here the most powerful > ones (I3, I5 I7) are sold ONLY with Windows installed and that increase t= he > value of the equipment. I want the best option at a nice price (could be > Intel or AMD) the ide is to have it as my main machine and when I need Li= nux > or Windows have them there running under VirtualBox. The use will be main= ly > for web development. > > My idea is to buy it with FreeDos or Linux installed or without operating > system but here there is not an option for powerful equuipment unless you > want one with Atom processor. The powerful one came ONLY with Windows > installed. > I am thinking to ask a friend that travels frequently to USA to buy one f= or > me. > > Any suggestion of where and what equipment to buy, without OS (Windows) > preinstalled? Of course at a good price and the most powerful one. > ixsystems.com sells a FreeBSD laptop (probably not inexpensively). system76.com is ubunutu-based, so you might have to look closely at the wireless chip. That one e-online-dot-com internet web store named after a certain large, South-American river has a few of such for sale, as well. I'd buy one with Microsoft=AE Windows=AE Starter=AE Edition=AE and amuse myself by applying to the seller for a Microsoft=AE Windows=AE Starter=AE Edition=AE Refund=AE (& depending on where you live might provide _months_ of entertainment). Actually, new is too expensive for me: let someone else take the first price hit. --=20 -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 17 19:38:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377A8106564A for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:38:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0EB08FC12 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pq9gS-0001bI-2A for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 11:38:37 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 17 Feb 2011 11:38:36 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 11:38:36 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110217193836.GB2116@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3380813072-1551442120@intranet.com.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3siQDZowHQqNOShm" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:38:42 -0000 --3siQDZowHQqNOShm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Chuck Swiger on Thursday, 17 February 2011: > Hola, Jorge-- >=20 > On Feb 17, 2011, at 10:43 AM, Jorge Biquez wrote: > > I am evaluating to buy a new laptop for using it only with Freebsd. I k= now in the website mention some options. Thing is that here the most powerf= ul ones (I3, I5 I7) are sold ONLY with Windows installed and that increase = the value of the equipment. I want the best option at a nice price (could b= e Intel or AMD) the ide is to have it as my main machine and when I need Li= nux or Windows have them there running under VirtualBox. The use will be ma= inly for web development. >=20 >=20 > You have some choices: >=20 > 1) Find a vendor offering to sell a machine with Linux preinstalled. > At times in the past, IIRC, both HP and Dell used to do this. >=20 > 2) Call up a sales guy from your preferred vendor and ask to purchase a b= are machine without OS. > If they refuse to sell you one, choose another vendor. >=20 > 3) Buy a machine with the base Win 7 Home installed, decline the license,= and request a refund. > Be prepared to waste significant time on this, but it can be done. >=20 > Regards, > --=20 > -Chuck >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" Until Konstantin gets his work on GEM finished, don't buy anything that uses the Intel Ironlake graphics chip (usually called simply "Intel Integrated HD Graphics"). The Intel driver for Xorg won't work, and you'll be limited to vesa at 1024x768. Others on this list may perhaps be able to recommend their favorite graphics option. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --3siQDZowHQqNOShm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNXXk8AAoJEIpckszW26+RH64H/2hzFAFGubXxJe2LwSRQDq1f lgqs3NRfWUh29yUL9zpKNyewjRE73HQTUN6oEUZQd5OuujzOFb58Lr5/03QjWhMI infU2tEMddh7+DUzvsjqOPlxLDWsLgbHMmzkHlsVOxqfcW3JClaiCAGW/zKS09uQ +N5d8pC2ff7SISGt/XOseJfL50yGzme/TfPXKSvZwHF9rwyZn7J6jVWi3huLTARr XM/wAAsEu1Pa234PlVQd3o9tFqPDkexzfBY1rVtWAm/RolVk5uc6btG0W+bD0TFY zIXKPvrXLLdsyTZFhzHtdXMBK2hU1G9xGf+6qSUirE/KbMgeZbvkJeFa8hGWLEc= =LK/w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3siQDZowHQqNOShm-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 17 22:46:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E832106564A for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 22:46:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0065A8FC13 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 22:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so1362284ewy.13 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:46:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.45.75 with SMTP id o51mr2751755eeb.49.1297982787854; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:46:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.119.1 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:46:27 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [64.81.163.112] In-Reply-To: <3380813072-1551442120@intranet.com.mx> References: <3380813072-1551442120@intranet.com.mx> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:46:27 -0800 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 22:46:29 -0000 On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Jorge Biquez wrote: > I am evaluating to buy a new laptop for using it only with Freebsd. I know > in the website mention some options. Thing is that here the most powerful > ones (I3, I5 I7) are sold ONLY with Windows installed and that increase the > value of the equipment. I want the best option at a nice price (could be > Intel or AMD) the ide is to have it as my main machine and when I need Linux > or Windows have them there running under VirtualBox. The use will be mainly > for web development. Just to play devil's advocate: If you plan to run Windows under VirtualBox, you probably *do* want to order the laptop with Windows pre-installed. The reason is to legally run Windows in VirtualBox, you will need a Windows license, and it's far cheaper to get one bundled with the machine than to buy it later. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 17 22:53:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 355AB106564A for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 22:53:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB7C28FC16 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 22:53:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyc15 with SMTP id 15so1381431gyc.13 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:53:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.31.11 with SMTP id e11mr100750age.184.1297983198059; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:53:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from papi.localnet ([187.113.175.237]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z12sm1707941anp.19.2011.02.17.14.53.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:53:17 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:53:04 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.1-STABLE; KDE/4.5.2; amd64; ; ) References: <201102131852.16453.mlobo@digiart.art.br> In-Reply-To: <201102131852.16453.mlobo@digiart.art.br> X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201102171953.04717.lobo@bsd.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: CPU heating! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 22:53:19 -0000 On Sunday 13 February 2011 18:52:16 Mario Lobo wrote: > Hi; > > I am following 8-CURRENT AMD64. I have a Phenom II 955. Up to the 3rd week > of January, I had 8-STABLE. Idle CPU temp was 42~44 C (which is already > not excellent, i know) and full load would never go above 60 C (compiling > VBox from KDE, for instance). > > After updating to 8.2-PRERELEASE, my temps now are: > idle:not less than 48 C > full load (same above conditions): it reached 65.5 C with peaks of 66 C!. > > > Was there any big change between these versions that could be causing this? Just an update to this topic: BEFORE: FBSD 8.2-RELEASE Phenom II 955 w/ stock cooler Idle temp at turn-on: 42~44 C Idle temp after 3 hrs: 48~49.5 C Load (95~100%)temp: 64~66.5 C (w/ peaks of 67.5) With the side of the computer case off. I replaced the thermal grease (as advised here) with a new one but that didn't change those figures. AFTER: FBSD 8.1-STABLE Phenom II 955 w/ a ZALMAN CNPS 10x PERFORMA cooler Idle temp at turn-on: 35~37 C Idle temp after the compilation: 43~44 C Load (95~100%)temp: 54~56.5 C (w/ peaks of 57 tops) With the side of the computer case ON. On both cases, the load was provided by compiling Vbox (4.0.2) under KDE and room temp was around 30 C. Powerd on for both. I noticed one thing. With 8.2-RELEASE, the compilation process stays at 100% load a lot longer than with 8.1-STABLE. During the compile with 8.2, there was a time I counted about 9 seconds at 100% load, plus about 3 or 4 extra 100% load of around 5 secs each. With 8.1, I only saw 4 half second ( well, it seemed like a half to me) 100% load peaks. And that was it. Beleive me, I counted them. Thanks to all that tried to help! -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 17 23:06:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94752106566B for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 23:06:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D1F8FC0A for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 23:06:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwj21 with SMTP id 21so1391632gwj.13 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:06:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.141.17 with SMTP id t17mr97959ybn.7.1297984006561; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:06:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from papi.localnet ([187.113.175.237]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u10sm4350535yba.13.2011.02.17.15.06.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:06:45 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Lobo To: Chuck Swiger Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 20:06:35 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.1-STABLE; KDE/4.5.2; amd64; ; ) References: <201102131852.16453.mlobo@digiart.art.br> <201102171953.04717.lobo@bsd.com.br> <0D54C1AB-D74B-4173-8A8E-43550E6E5619@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <0D54C1AB-D74B-4173-8A8E-43550E6E5619@mac.com> X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201102172006.35192.lobo@bsd.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CPU heating! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 23:06:47 -0000 On Thursday 17 February 2011 19:59:18 Chuck Swiger wrote: > Um, so you obviously aren't comparing similar circumstances. No! Not at all. > Most computer cases are designed with front-to-back airflow > (ie, intake fans in the front, exhaust fans and the PSU in the back) and > cool more effectively with the case on.... Well, in my case, with the "BEFORE" situation, if I had the side case cover on, the temps would be even higher ! -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 17 22:59:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1F65106566B for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 22:59:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout020.mac.com (asmtpout020.mac.com [17.148.16.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62BF28FC08 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 22:59:46 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp020.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LGS00E7RAIVRD10@asmtp020.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:59:19 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-02-17_08:2011-02-17, 2011-02-17, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1102170185 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <201102171953.04717.lobo@bsd.com.br> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:59:18 -0800 Message-id: <0D54C1AB-D74B-4173-8A8E-43550E6E5619@mac.com> References: <201102131852.16453.mlobo@digiart.art.br> <201102171953.04717.lobo@bsd.com.br> To: Mario Lobo X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 23:07:08 +0000 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CPU heating! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 22:59:46 -0000 On Feb 17, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Mario Lobo wrote: > Phenom II 955 w/ stock cooler > With the side of the computer case off. [ ...vs... ] > Phenom II 955 w/ a ZALMAN CNPS 10x PERFORMA cooler > With the side of the computer case ON. Um, so you obviously aren't comparing similar circumstances. Most computer cases are designed with front-to-back airflow (ie, intake fans in the front, exhaust fans and the PSU in the back) and cool more effectively with the case on.... Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 17 23:49:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA601106566B for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 23:49:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walt@wump.org) Received: from que11.charter.net (que11.charter.net [209.225.8.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2C88FC14 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 23:48:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.02.04 201-2219-117-106-20090629) with ESMTP id <20110217233346.COPY12685.mta31.charter.net@imp09>; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:33:46 -0500 Received: from [10.0.0.10] ([71.80.206.85]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id 9BZk1g00D1r4kY705BZkfN; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:33:46 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=uUMHlzk5E0cY2FIsPn4A:9 a=feYk89iy7meq-Tbj04_dp8QhDX0A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <201102171953.04717.lobo@bsd.com.br> References: <201102131852.16453.mlobo@digiart.art.br> <201102171953.04717.lobo@bsd.com.br> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:33:34 -0800 To: Mario Lobo , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walt Pawley Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: Subject: Re: CPU heating! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 23:49:01 -0000 At 7:53 PM -0300 2/17/11, Mario Lobo wrote: >I replaced the thermal grease (as advised here) with a new one but that didn't >change those figures. I've not attempted to keep up with changes in thermal conductivity of heat sink compounds for something like 40 years. About that time, National Semiconductor published a paper about the effectiveness of various means of mounting power semiconductors to heat sinks. As I recall, the only method of obtaining truly efficient heat transfer was soldering the case to the heat sink - clearly not all that practical for many purposes. All of the thermal compounds tested did comparatively poorly, especially when applied too thickly. They worked best when applied just heavily enough to fill voids in the two surfaces being mated. Perhaps things are different today but I have my doubts. If they were, we'd make heat sinks out of thin walled finned copper cans containing the thermal compound. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 00:00:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082CF106564A for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:00:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from korszca@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B74268FC0C for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:00:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb26 with SMTP id 26so3010683iyb.13 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:00:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=oHWDtd9J9AvnZ5lYhjnS4GK0LwZwSNFKHIjsuP0ancw=; b=YJNpbmt55XhAW+deXyEBWxztasXfmzCc+XvzllNoyWF1+XBv9HY5MgjTWADCTZi3Yq GkYS+efEkZoJ/N5SAdO4ORHRExx3vaLrI3fG/K9YE35f/epIuxkvVh0uMMS2PhIEEghj ladwaCShyVpvTfhcgPOy9sO/J6ShzvwhMnS28= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ATmxB+NDLSqE3ZkNIlDjsBwMs2EJe+FQZw9TNHIKNsDt7TUrdMdrAauwezTWsA7w3g IrWSpxx7RNv9eBiPfNiHXJDAyQyrph7eJEHtq1/BdWbp07P5zFvAt82t76MFidwl77ho 3JyFRo3QcHbwbTtz9jlmVYhGsUgTecbvYGyHU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.16.197 with SMTP id p5mr23527iba.39.1297985579035; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:32:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.251.6 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:32:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <3380813072-1551442120@intranet.com.mx> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:32:59 -0500 Message-ID: From: Brian Callahan To: Chuck Swiger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Jorge Biquez , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:00:02 -0000 > 3) Buy a machine with the base Win 7 Home installed, decline the license,= and request a refund. > =A0 Be prepared to waste significant time on this, but it can be done. > IANAL, but I have been informed by several lawyers that you cannot do this. The Windows 7 EULA, when preinstalled on a machine, states that the agreement is between you and the company selling you the computer, and "By using the Software, you accept these terms. If you do not accept them, do not use the software. Instead, contact the manufacturer or installer to determine its return policy. You must comply with that policy, which might limit your rights or require you to return the entire system on which the software is installed." The major OEMs will say "OK, then you must return the computer," and you have no option but to comply. This is true for the USA. If you want no-OS laptops, try Puget Systems www.pugetsystems.com or PCs for Everyone www.pcsforeveryone.com HTH ~Brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 00:20:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC0691065674 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:20:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E89B8FC14 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PqE58-00041G-Ok for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:20:24 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:20:24 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:20:24 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110218002024.GE2116@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3380813072-1551442120@intranet.com.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="JSkcQAAxhB1h8DcT" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:20:29 -0000 --JSkcQAAxhB1h8DcT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Brian Callahan on Thursday, 17 February 2011: > > 3) Buy a machine with the base Win 7 Home installed, decline the licens= e, and request a refund. > > =A0 Be prepared to waste significant time on this, but it can be done. > > >=20 > IANAL, but I have been informed by several lawyers that you cannot do > this. The Windows 7 EULA, when preinstalled on a machine, states that > the agreement is between you and the company selling you the computer, > and "By using the Software, you accept these terms. If you do not > accept them, do not use the software. Instead, contact the > manufacturer or installer to determine its return policy. You must > comply with that policy, which might limit your rights or require you > to return the entire system on which the software is installed." >=20 > The major OEMs will say "OK, then you must return the computer," and > you have no option but to comply. This is true for the USA. >=20 > If you want no-OS laptops, try Puget Systems www.pugetsystems.com or > PCs for Everyone www.pcsforeveryone.com >=20 > HTH >=20 > ~Brian > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" Those links both sport some pretty expensive prices. My comparable ASUS cost about half that, and came with Windows 7 installed (which I simply erased). Are those prices for real? --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --JSkcQAAxhB1h8DcT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNXbtIAAoJEIpckszW26+Rz8kIALzh9B0l22MlepB4cEmz487y OFca2kLGB2/4/B3JIPrXdMiC1Rx0r7oLlCJFloY9w16JjPpdo09Ku02DacNQTpbM esVSF2v1mVGxsv2B4/PdX6bs6nf/LqnDOgf4RlWfImPCQlpYavwb+NxCIhL8YCtn ZDcvi67rKpPVj3r7OT0uikl+Yseq2FIl908v5WKGnGBjt76vyTiMzkbvRRIgkMl3 9yAMT//uwD+gJ8AXGoWGs6/JnI8CCt7QMXZ/NqW1zUPhyAz3hTbmp8mse7N13sIK Jp9c6w8bSEPeQxhi+wZ87CTtKwqtHC8yLWaEi8hLrg7rOj0i1i/ivoKKoS1FV5U= =mfji -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --JSkcQAAxhB1h8DcT-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 00:21:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 910EF1065695 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:21:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout027.mac.com (asmtpout027.mac.com [17.148.16.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C768FC25 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:21:15 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp027.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-18.01 64bit (built Jul 15 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LGS00GEMEAXK090@asmtp027.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:20:58 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-02-17_08:2011-02-17, 2011-02-17, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1102170201 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <201102172006.35192.lobo@bsd.com.br> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:20:57 -0800 Message-id: <9E70BA4D-8385-43F1-9CAA-90C46FC8F8BA@mac.com> References: <201102131852.16453.mlobo@digiart.art.br> <201102171953.04717.lobo@bsd.com.br> <0D54C1AB-D74B-4173-8A8E-43550E6E5619@mac.com> <201102172006.35192.lobo@bsd.com.br> To: Mario Lobo X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CPU heating! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:21:15 -0000 On Feb 17, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Mario Lobo wrote: >> Most computer cases are designed with front-to-back airflow (ie, intake fans in the front, exhaust fans and the PSU in the back) and cool more effectively with the case on.... > > Well, in my case, with the "BEFORE" situation, if I had the side case cover on, the temps would be even higher ! Are they? Well, that suggests something could be wrong with your case ventilation-- perhaps a stuck (or even reversed) fan. I know, it's not as interesting as the possibility that different versions of FreeBSD present different CPU load, but if you aren't controlling for major factors like the case being opened or closed, or using different coolers, then there's little point in worrying about whether your load-testing of the software is accurate. Regards -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 00:28:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C8A1065670 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:28:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from korszca@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 163098FC18 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:28:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so3136717iwn.13 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:28:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=stmnrnw6BPtKM4cw415tLUfy9rB3BkKBp9xyAZHWYJw=; b=GX44NhjzBNV0DNmngxGGLxXJ5PYHH9crq1JWPkLGF9tMK67ZCBBtRy6akajYYeYkmw Nt9utkcXqw5KvRcm4rbe0jQcIhvOvMM3wCW+MTq+165M/5CxitWs4prvsytwIaQ0zcrm VtcqfZ0eklepl4+g+ww8wQodhTtyePXei+JxU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=n7BydqKVxBO4fW9wpzCvXRpORPD7XY8vIN5YdFJMZSMulKxqLiUWLogu3VKb7kZAVX 9xZlAHEClKvYpezY65OcEve4KS+GtLTAJWUOzm0qZatra1h9uceTKVVKHpN+DejJxq3B EuLiuifgmw05ULyBWt04/f+twX0M4uHnAs7Wo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.17.193 with SMTP id t1mr51668iba.89.1297988899723; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:28:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.251.6 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:28:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110218002024.GE2116@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> References: <3380813072-1551442120@intranet.com.mx> <20110218002024.GE2116@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:28:19 -0500 Message-ID: From: Brian Callahan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Chip Camden Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:28:20 -0000 > Those links both sport some pretty expensive prices. =A0My comparable ASU= S > cost about half that, and came with Windows 7 installed (which I simply > erased). =A0Are those prices for real? > > -- > Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F > http://chipsquips.com =A0| http://camdensoftware.com =A0 | http://chipsti= ps.com > Oh, I have no doubt they're for real. That's the problem with smaller OEMs. You can't live on razor thin profit margins. ZaReason www.zareason.com also has no-OS options (they're a Linux vendor). Again, prices aren't the cheapest. I personally buy my laptops by going to Staples, Circuit City, Best Buy, etc. with the latest OpenBSD-current to check its dmesg (and I highly recommend this) and blasting Windows off the HD as soon as I get home, but the OP asked for no-OS laptops. ~Brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 01:07:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC25C106564A for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:07:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4388FC15 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:07:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwj21 with SMTP id 21so1424129gwj.13 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 17:07:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.13.16 with SMTP id q16mr264818ybi.264.1297991271745; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 17:07:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from papi.localnet ([187.113.175.237]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 1sm966558yhl.11.2011.02.17.17.07.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Feb 2011 17:07:50 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Lobo To: Chuck Swiger Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 22:07:36 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.1-STABLE; KDE/4.5.2; amd64; ; ) References: <201102131852.16453.mlobo@digiart.art.br> <201102172006.35192.lobo@bsd.com.br> <9E70BA4D-8385-43F1-9CAA-90C46FC8F8BA@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <9E70BA4D-8385-43F1-9CAA-90C46FC8F8BA@mac.com> X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201102172207.37004.lobo@bsd.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CPU heating! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:07:53 -0000 On Thursday 17 February 2011 21:20:57 Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Feb 17, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Mario Lobo wrote: > >> Most computer cases are designed with front-to-back airflow (ie, intake > >> fans in the front, exhaust fans and the PSU in the back) and cool more > >> effectively with the case on.... > > > > Well, in my case, with the "BEFORE" situation, if I had the side case > > cover on, the temps would be even higher ! > > Are they? Well, that suggests something could be wrong with your case > ventilation-- perhaps a stuck (or even reversed) fan. > They are neither reversed nor stuck. I am truly paranoid about that. I have a front fan pulling in and a back fan pushing out. I even have one of the front device covers out since I bought this CPU. That's the air flow since day one. I can't say that nothing changed inside the machine since I added a HD to it but the heating came long after that. > I know, it's not as interesting as the possibility that different versions > of FreeBSD present different CPU load, but if you aren't controlling for > major factors like the case being opened or closed, or using different > coolers, then there's little point in worrying about whether your > load-testing of the software is accurate. I didn't mean to imply that the different versions of FBSD was THE cause of heating. But the fact is that it started to happen after the upgrade. It's probably just a coincidence. The fact is that downgrading to 8.1 improved the cooling. Very little ( -1 degree, that's true) but improved nonetheless. You're certainly right. My load testing method isn't accurate but my observations are. Even if your measuring instrument is not accuratly calibrated, the absolute value of the measurement can not be trusted, but the difference of two measurements with the same instrument can. The instrument being my hardware in this case. I pointed the difference in load between 8.1 and 8.2 when compiling, as "something I noticed". Just that. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 02:26:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5270B106566B for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 02:26:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xnooby@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0A08FC15 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 02:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so3117625bwz.13 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:25:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8q9KF3sPrp4IPUOG5RcXq/OlGfV5jQa0OTBrvJsKIKM=; b=Sd0vzt0eXDTtYL5PxQUA6Rq1SnvORNzGI4gSx0ql80zATTllXZcY6CwcMHPAgxpxn8 8kNFEnlt/EId9w3KFkU16GnJEjfSDTtcqvaHYHq1e4NyfKBctY+4ADZmc/rbrNrXfhiC CeioP0Zb+PCmA6rXaVC8VAdDCUsmaFVvmOiNc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bHYXkXzWihYZqWVgTFaylRGmhmTRBpjaGiQWrt6mVz07HvTFdnOm9CIPZyy26FmcKd 7t7RzJxLKGM3guXls+xGKitkA+55PL9i79puFfFmI5AqLaKthsR2XHFVycMD75xEddnY bFRrQH+y+htxNpNhrqkVr96D+M16VBHx+RzGo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.64.139 with SMTP id e11mr137599bki.97.1297995958009; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.73.213 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:25:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4D5AA85E.6070807@janh.de> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 21:25:57 -0500 Message-ID: From: Xn Nooby To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Jan Henrik Sylvester , questions-list freebsd Subject: Re: What is the best way to image copy a FreeBSD system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 02:26:00 -0000 Wow, that article is just what I was looking for! I will check out your other articles too. Thanks! On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Warren Block wrote: > On Wed, 16 Feb 2011, Xn Nooby wrote: > >> I downloaded the "alternative testing" ubuntu-based version of >> Clonezilla, and it appeared to backup my FreeBSD machine. It >> identified my filesystem as UFS. =A0I will wipe the drive and try a >> restore later tonight. =A0 It said it was backing up 30GB of files, >> which seemed odd for a fresh install. =A0The backup was 7.5GB. =A0 There >> is a lot of good info in this thread, so I will be experimenting with >> the various methods discussed. It sounds like I really need to learn >> about dump/restore. > > Pardon if I've mentioned this already, but I have an article called "Back= up > Options For FreeBSD" at http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/backup.h= tml > > It covers variations of dump/restore, and also mentions Clonezilla and dd > and their advantages and disadvantages. =A0Feedback welcome. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 02:30:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC831065672 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 02:30:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Dave.Robison@fisglobal.com) Received: from mailoutltc.fnis.com (mailoutltc.fnis.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC218FC0C for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 02:30:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SBHFISLREXT03 ([10.132.254.62]) by SCSFISLTC01 (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p1I2UHMQ029077 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 20:30:17 -0600 Received: from SBHFISLTCGW04.FNFIS.COM (Not Verified[10.132.248.123]) by SBHFISLREXT03 with MailMarshal (v6, 5, 4, 7535) id ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 20:30:33 -0600 Received: from SBHFISLTCGW07.FNFIS.COM ([10.132.248.135]) by SBHFISLTCGW04.FNFIS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 17 Feb 2011 20:30:17 -0600 Received: from lefty.vicor.com ([10.132.254.136]) by SBHFISLTCGW07.FNFIS.COM over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 17 Feb 2011 20:30:16 -0600 Message-ID: <4D5DD9B9.3040200@fisglobal.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:30:17 -0800 From: "Robison, Dave" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101222 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D5AA85E.6070807@janh.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2011 02:30:16.0938 (UTC) FILETIME=[C78C4CA0:01CBCF13] Subject: Re: What is the best way to image copy a FreeBSD system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: david.robison@fisglobal.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 02:30:46 -0000 I like bacula, I've used it for years. I also like this command Julian once taught me: find . -name | cpio -pdmluv /destination/folder/here On 02/17/11 18:25, Xn Nooby wrote: > Wow, that article is just what I was looking for! I will check out > your other articles too. Thanks! > > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Warren Block wrote: >> On Wed, 16 Feb 2011, Xn Nooby wrote: >> >>> I downloaded the "alternative testing" ubuntu-based version of >>> Clonezilla, and it appeared to backup my FreeBSD machine. It >>> identified my filesystem as UFS. I will wipe the drive and try a >>> restore later tonight. It said it was backing up 30GB of files, >>> which seemed odd for a fresh install. The backup was 7.5GB. There >>> is a lot of good info in this thread, so I will be experimenting with >>> the various methods discussed. It sounds like I really need to learn >>> about dump/restore. >> Pardon if I've mentioned this already, but I have an article called "Backup >> Options For FreeBSD" at http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/backup.html >> >> It covers variations of dump/restore, and also mentions Clonezilla and dd >> and their advantages and disadvantages. Feedback welcome. >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Dave Robison Sales Solution Architect II FIS Banking Solutions 510/621-2089 (w) 530/518-5194 (c) 510/621-2020 (f) daver@vicor.com david.robison@fisglobal.com _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. 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Thank you. _____________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 02:40:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B543106564A for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 02:40:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xnooby@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CFE48FC15 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 02:40:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so3124497bwz.13 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:40:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=lEl/R+kIRcHF3QPQww1iu6ZQmuWlgVd/T5sUZ5E7guU=; b=GHj/YihLJ+xmiuJr+4122yggq3cbJAdHhc1WEUt1WkGgBtnvmIc1MTHP8f+60C1HYO Wcvma0bnoF53AwUAWg6t7Y7LswLQLR7cjsJa73aQshcRsbiIXxhzOsdYO5cN7BCbJ/th e0rco+Cniz6ozlm62OuvWrp6vkaDO85vfU0ow= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=mAXC7QU16d3NUXvVFpnBasIlGp+pMGr1ZZ8mGl0qrl6j/pLUuMUtRqrD4MKcf+zwRR cH4OlInlcO2sjO3DD7AfqdjLH+z5RXC/kmnF+3SVK5cuq2lykkK+oSmmo2uDaa+YiroQ szWJlDkUuEmD1FU03bJI92+2t59nhl8mz7raQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.81.72 with SMTP id w8mr134279bkk.205.1297996837332; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:40:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.73.213 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:40:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 21:40:37 -0500 Message-ID: From: Xn Nooby To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: BSD Magazine PDFs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 02:40:39 -0000 Is there a place where I can download all the BSD Magazine PDF back issues? I have got a lot of them from the BSD Magazine site, and a few other sites, but I think I am missing some. For example, I only have 2 from 2008, and 4 from 2009. I was able to get most of them from http://bsdmag.org I renamed them to sort properly, the ones I have are: BSD_2008_01.pdf BSD_2008_02.pdf BSD_2009_01.pdf BSD_2009_02.pdf BSD_2009_03.pdf BSD_2009_04.pdf BSD_2010_01.pdf BSD_2010_02.pdf BSD_2010_03.pdf BSD_2010_04.pdf BSD_2010_05.pdf BSD_2010_06.pdf BSD_2010_07.pdf BSD_2010_08.pdf BSD_2010_09.pdf BSD_2010_10.pdf BSD_2010_11.pdf BSD_2011_01.pdf BSD_2011_02.pdf I would like to get the others, if there are any, and it is legal. Or perhaps I have all the ones available. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 02:50:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A151065670 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 02:50:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from korszca@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f182.google.com (mail-px0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0918FC0C for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 02:50:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi1 with SMTP id 1so516726pxi.13 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:50:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=5ZSZXLH3J5RFkJ3aMWH18z/1e1+TrkBeWNzLzy3tCNY=; b=ptpyiJb+hv57A5d5NSswJGRv0gXcaPL51BKLVBQYxPP6ZaARq4HKcuRPoNXwRgwm31 CQ1xHSah72H0qFZ5cWJPrQaSD7asxgWL+WdAthH72fiKPlc4zjwWmQFibtsi5ehySLYW 2vuothN2BJsnkn23qxSXs1nVo9WIhf+AHucvM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=K4VVHTvgprUpsjg29bWmaCWGRNXBCDUUamq82+l6NhrNNovhhsEcMan+3dNc6KE/1k oSgswtfrIVx8NzdtO1oYIGP4WsNWv78pELtrb5jmxp4ESfa6rH7VAyBTNz+rMm8KplBS SJ5uWXxxv9v1hybAXPn2sHAfvgdEJviSDDUp4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.37.20 with SMTP id p20mr106273wfj.338.1297997406210; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:50:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.207.7 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:50:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 21:50:06 -0500 Message-ID: From: Brian Callahan To: Xn Nooby Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD Magazine PDFs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 02:50:07 -0000 That looks right. BSDMag was a quarterly prior to 2010 and started in the middle of 2008, from what I remember. And they missed a month in 2010. ~Brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 03:24:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE58A106564A for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 03:24:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F21E8FC0A for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 03:24:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9Dnd1g0051ei1Bg5AFQ0sH; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 03:24:00 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9FPy1g00W1f6R9u3kFPzkp; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 03:24:00 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:23:57 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:23:57 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110218032357.GD2049@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3380813072-1551442120@intranet.com.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3380813072-1551442120@intranet.com.mx> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Mailer: Mutt 1.4.2.3i X-Composer: Vim 7.3 Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 03:24:01 -0000 On Thu 17 Feb 2011 at 10:43:24 PST Jorge Biquez wrote: >Hello all. > >I am evaluating to buy a new laptop for using it only with Freebsd. I >know in the website mention some options. Thing is that here the most >powerful ones (I3, I5 I7) are sold ONLY with Windows installed and >that increase the value of the equipment. I want the best option at a >nice price (could be Intel or AMD) the ide is to have it as my main >machine and when I need Linux or Windows have them there running >under VirtualBox. The use will be mainly for web development. > >My idea is to buy it with FreeDos or Linux installed or without >operating system but here there is not an option for powerful >equuipment unless you want one with Atom processor. The powerful one >came ONLY with Windows installed. >I am thinking to ask a friend that travels frequently to USA to buy one for >me. > >Any suggestion of where and what equipment to buy, without OS (Windows) >preinstalled? Of course at a good price and the most powerful one. Does it have to be new? The best deal might be to get a used laptop. Then it doesn't matter what it originally shipped with, all you care about is whether it's on the FreeBSD hardware compatibility list. Along these lines, I've seen many people recommending used ThinkPads. Might not be powerful enough for the latest Windows, but more than capable for running a BSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 05:16:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC62106566B for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 05:16:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 758ED8FC18 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 05:16:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 17370 invoked by uid 0); 18 Feb 2011 05:16:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2011 05:16:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=QclFI9KV8CMf3WOERcxYI2ceo0CkVkAXEzqb7YkfMfRKZ8eeYhp6wmoQrl+c0khWLwr/bdTAZnrO00LkTP5AWXonAoG+W58B4c5x70HvZlmIOefsrhF3G/clKEhOje4O; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PqIi0-0003cv-Fb for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 22:16:49 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 17 Feb 2011 22:06:20 -0700 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 22:06:20 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110218050620.GA81273@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3380813072-1551442120@intranet.com.mx> <20110218032357.GD2049@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110218032357.GD2049@comcast.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 05:16:50 -0000 --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 07:23:57PM -0800, Charlie Kester wrote: >=20 > Does it have to be new? =20 >=20 > The best deal might be to get a used laptop. Then it doesn't matter > what it originally shipped with, all you care about is whether it's on > the FreeBSD hardware compatibility list. >=20 > Along these lines, I've seen many people recommending used ThinkPads. > Might not be powerful enough for the latest Windows, but more than > capable for running a BSD. Be very careful buying used laptops. There are a lot of refurbishers who are very shady, and a lot of private sellers online that are trying to make a fast buck off broken hardware. In fact, I wrote some code for a shady refurbisher last year to clean infections of their laptops -- infections that had worked its way into the images they used to clone drives for refurbished computers. I think thousands of their systems probably went out infected before they had me automate the virus-cleaning process for them. The short version is simply that I've seen how shady refurbishers work, up close and personal. Let the buyer beware. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1d/kwACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKV26QCeMU3FEBi/hQm6rWjqT32XmAfg zykAoJ2YIOtcy3RUtJh9SHCU+1PROs/W =O2Tu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 13:25:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73D5106566C for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:25:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2BD8FC19 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:25:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 20702 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2011 13:25:51 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 18 Feb 2011 13:25:51 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id B56C25082A; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 08:25:49 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert To: David Demelier References: <4D5CCB72.20505@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 08:25:49 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4D5CCB72.20505@gmail.com> (David Demelier's message of "Thu, 17 Feb 2011 08:17:06 +0100") Message-ID: <44ei75xyn6.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mergemaster -U ask for a lot non-user modified files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:25:52 -0000 David Demelier writes: > Hello, > > Each time I run mergemaster -UiF, it asks for a lot of file that I do > not have modified such as /dev/rc.d/* and /etc/defaults/* > > > ====================================================================== > > > Use 'd' to delete the temporary ./etc/network.subr > Use 'i' to install the temporary ./etc/network.subr > Use 'm' to merge the temporary and installed versions > Use 'v' to view the diff results again > > Default is to leave the temporary file to deal with by hand > > How should I deal with this? [Leave it for later] > > I never touched this file! Why it asks me to install the new one? You're probably having problems with the mtree database that mergemaster uses for that. I think by default it's /var/db/mergemaster.mtree. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 14:05:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC9901065694 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:05:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E548FC20 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-143-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.143.131]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECFEA3D04C; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:05:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p1IE5o1n001445; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:05:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:05:49 +0100 From: Polytropon To: david.robison@fisglobal.com Message-Id: <20110218150549.b9951e5f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4D5DD9B9.3040200@fisglobal.com> References: <4D5AA85E.6070807@janh.de> <4D5DD9B9.3040200@fisglobal.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is the best way to image copy a FreeBSD system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:05:53 -0000 On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:30:17 -0800, "Robison, Dave" wrote: > I like bacula, I've used it for years. > > I also like this command Julian once taught me: > > find . -name | cpio -pdmluv /destination/folder/here ^^^^^^ Directory. UNIX doesn't have "folders". The correct (technical) terminology is "directory". That's just what it is called. Sorry for being that pedantic, but I'm sure you don't call a file "sheet of paper" or the monitor "the TV", or the whole computer "the hard disk" or "the modem" respectively. :-) Back on topic: As it has already be pointed out, the advantage of dump is that it can operate on mounted partitions (-L highly re- commended) as well as unmounted ones, which can be needed under certain circumstances (e. g. due to security concerns). For synchronization, rsync is a fine tool. I would also like to mention the cpdup program (found in ports) which is also very handy for rsync-like tasks. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 14:41:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27A5106564A for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:41:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbiquez@intranet.com.mx) Received: from intranet.com.mx (intranet.com.mx [200.33.246.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839D78FC13 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:41:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from PC2.intranet.com.mx (189.191.152.111) by intranet.com.mx with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.9) for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 08:42:24 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 08:41:09 -0600 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Jorge Biquez In-Reply-To: <20110218050620.GA81273@guilt.hydra> References: <3380813072-1551442120@intranet.com.mx> <20110218032357.GD2049@comcast.net> <20110218050620.GA81273@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-ID: <3380884944-1551442343@intranet.com.mx> Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:41:19 -0000 At 11:06 p.m. 17/02/2011, Chad Perrin wrote: >On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 07:23:57PM -0800, Charlie Kester wrote: > > > > Does it have to be new? > > > > The best deal might be to get a used laptop. Then it doesn't matter > > what it originally shipped with, all you care about is whether it's on > > the FreeBSD hardware compatibility list. > > > > Along these lines, I've seen many people recommending used ThinkPads. > > Might not be powerful enough for the latest Windows, but more than > > capable for running a BSD. > >Be very careful buying used laptops. There are a lot of refurbishers who >are very shady, and a lot of private sellers online that are trying to >make a fast buck off broken hardware. > >In fact, I wrote some code for a shady refurbisher last year to clean >infections of their laptops -- infections that had worked its way into >the images they used to clone drives for refurbished computers. I think >thousands of their systems probably went out infected before they had me >automate the virus-cleaning process for them. > >The short version is simply that I've seen how shady refurbishers work, >up close and personal. Let the buyer beware. > >-- >Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > Hello all. Thanks a lot for your comments. Just doing a little more research, you can not find powerful equipment, at least here, with other OS but Windows 7, and of course cost more. Here it does not matter if you say that I won't use Windows 7, you pay for it and no refund. All the powerful ones come with Windows 7 HP or Windows 7 Pro, No starter versions, so you pay for it if you want it or not. Last chance is to try Dell, will see later. I guess my best bet is top have a used one. Is not that it "has" to be new but I wanted to invest in something new that last some years, my last lap has 7 years but it is short on memory and won't accept more. I will use ebay I guess for used equipment and ask my friend to bring it if possible. If you have good suggestions for places to buy used equipment please let me know (on ebay I has bought in the past equipment that was dead already or that has problems immediately later). Of course sometimes I have bought very good equipment also. Thanks to all for the comments and your time. Jorge Biquez From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 16:40:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83DB0106566B for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:40:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mrkvrg@acm.org) Received: from xena.bway.net (xena.bway.net [216.220.96.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175938FC17 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 28041 invoked by uid 0); 18 Feb 2011 16:13:22 -0000 Received: from smtp.bway.net (216.220.96.25) by xena.bway.net with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 18 Feb 2011 16:13:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 28036 invoked by uid 90); 18 Feb 2011 16:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gecko3.bs.net) (m1316v@216.220.115.118) by smtp.bway.net with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 18 Feb 2011 16:13:21 -0000 From: MFV To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:13:19 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.2-PRERELEASE; KDE/4.5.3; i386; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201102181113.19678.mrkvrg@acm.org> Subject: Re: BSD Magazine PDFs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mrkvrg@acm.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:40:04 -0000 Hello, I've been downloading BSD Mag since it first came out and your list is identical to mine. Cheers .. Marek On Thursday 17 February 2011 21:40:37 Xn Nooby wrote: > Is there a place where I can download all the BSD Magazine PDF back > issues? I have got a lot of them from the BSD Magazine site, and a > few other sites, but I think I am missing some. For example, I only > have 2 from 2008, and 4 from 2009. I was able to get most of them > from http://bsdmag.org > > I renamed them to sort properly, the ones I have are: > > BSD_2008_01.pdf > BSD_2008_02.pdf > > BSD_2009_01.pdf > BSD_2009_02.pdf > BSD_2009_03.pdf > BSD_2009_04.pdf > > BSD_2010_01.pdf > BSD_2010_02.pdf > BSD_2010_03.pdf > BSD_2010_04.pdf > BSD_2010_05.pdf > BSD_2010_06.pdf > BSD_2010_07.pdf > BSD_2010_08.pdf > BSD_2010_09.pdf > BSD_2010_10.pdf > BSD_2010_11.pdf > > BSD_2011_01.pdf > BSD_2011_02.pdf > > I would like to get the others, if there are any, and it is legal. Or > perhaps I have all the ones available. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 16:46:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4031065674 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:46:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14B88FC1A for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:46:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9Uk61g0041GXsucA1UmbDZ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:46:35 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9UmY1g01W1f6R9u8UUmZRd; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:46:34 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 18 Feb 2011 08:46:32 -0800 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 08:46:32 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110218164632.GE2049@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201102181113.19678.mrkvrg@acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201102181113.19678.mrkvrg@acm.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Mailer: Mutt 1.4.2.3i X-Composer: Vim 7.3 Subject: Re: BSD Magazine PDFs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:46:35 -0000 On Fri 18 Feb 2011 at 08:13:19 PST MFV wrote: >Hello, > >I've been downloading BSD Mag since it first came out and your list is >identical to mine. Same here. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 16:53:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B9610656A9 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:53:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edflecko@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1938FC15 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so3881677iwn.13 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 08:53:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=UMCnktzoHgoGWWuXvWrznrpk5FDhCEVucqwPlUrQ2Ss=; b=tOjFaD+CoFdPpEYU3zAEAC96K/xjcJ6TpXNj6SZlfeKVT4CnvrfdkpS0rPVSDPU8DF mbSM4YzpwtueE+WLKU9PTEmvqDw7RLGmb3sktxxWlAXxCTUY+EPVwdBJZ/mZEwzhnVY7 ps8zKdK3uvon8joO9NqchwereP92jpJM3HEQw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=uAYOg3L1LYdSio55AI+IgtUh7nkRw1QIbdaVUOEhIBUmru18gAnKorVlNumZq7OceP LGCABSWFwsYzWyg2eMTJf/rYAxrdHksSTNXTWinYU4Vf/ptfokFwbLGYDEmWE71I3uOV j+PQBhfltvWcKgcQMLDQ1fENe4M8O9iPflovs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.11.204 with SMTP id u12mr677965ibu.109.1298048007988; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 08:53:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.207.71 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 08:53:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 08:53:27 -0800 Message-ID: From: Ed Flecko To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Install Squid on FBSD with different configure options? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:53:29 -0000 Hi folks, I want to install squid from the ports package (i.e., /usr/ports/www/squid) instead of installing from source (which, it's my understanding, would force me to create a squid user, squid group, etc. manually). However, I want squid to be installed with the ability to restrict end users internet access based upon their PCs MAC address, which means I need the --enable-arp-acl option when installing squid. I have modified the Makefile (/usr/ports/www/squid/Makefile) to include this option, but now I'm a little confused - if I use the standard pkg_add squid command, won't that just fetch the package from the internet? How do I install squid from the ports package that's on my hard drive? I am correct in that when I install the package from my local hard drive, it will automatically create the necessary users/groups for me, right? Thank you, Ed From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 17:33:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08DA5106566B for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:33:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rjgonzale@estrads.com.ar) Received: from cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ABDBB8FC13 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 391 invoked by uid 0); 18 Feb 2011 17:06:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box511.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.111) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2011 17:06:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=estrads.com.ar; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:X-Identified-User; b=PWOaQM0fhgbWF2yMEBu4Kb1HXU8fQuEDIB1+9tdoXgUnndDo4NG/xlDR5ZexHn6AXdX8h71Kf5dPW0Hv+nLprpRQQvU3e34YaVYj4vBBOYCX0MwBRMOr77+5SrzuBFMo; Received: from host140.186-111-105.telecom.net.ar ([186.111.105.140] helo=rjgonzale-laptop.localnet) by box511.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PqTmc-00044s-Hg; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:06:21 -0700 From: Rodrigo Gonzalez To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:06:11 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.35-25-generic; KDE/4.6.0; i686; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201102181406.11978.rjgonzale@estrads.com.ar> X-Identified-User: {32647:box511.bluehost.com:gonosade:estrads.com.ar} {sentby:smtp auth 186.111.105.140 authed with rjgonzale@estrads.com.ar} Cc: Ed Flecko Subject: Re: Install Squid on FBSD with different configure options? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:33:02 -0000 On Friday, February 18, 2011 01:53:27 PM Ed Flecko wrote: > Hi folks, > I want to install squid from the ports package (i.e., > /usr/ports/www/squid) instead of installing from source (which, it's > my understanding, would force me to create a squid user, squid group, > etc. manually). > > However, I want squid to be installed with the ability to restrict end > users internet access based upon their PCs MAC address, which means I > need the --enable-arp-acl option when installing squid. > > I have modified the Makefile (/usr/ports/www/squid/Makefile) to > include this option, but now I'm a little confused - if I use the > standard pkg_add squid command, won't that just fetch the package from > the internet? > > How do I install squid from the ports package that's on my hard drive? > cd /usr/ports/www/squid make config make install clean From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 18:48:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C02106566B for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:48:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xnooby@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4340C8FC15 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:48:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so486631bwz.13 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:48:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=V1VlTUJ6aRO8QDNR5TuZTb+re8XBDNS4keTN/DPh7ow=; b=QVIeSisdjuRfizquUwbFVYS7F8Z4SheQ2rujMut8nYwtCtFlbfz/zguk3ugCK1ACUb 4ib6bJEUmcso7M8U7PXVR6c6piH/jcTulVNlMP0pCYSc1ZGjsIZeLWUKXnChdDTfJZkm QGh7PKpDy55lM3nQSQq7tma9If7GIkBQPDmAg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=jSrDjZTC7BdcjHkltRKQx5A09FOxlGeeDVgXVqZT7Rz+55CrGbL+Dd1T9A8tJ5OwSe YPqyRE1t8FxUzHX4HSU5oE+iboO8Trm9hdMeaJQT04CUDVn+extT1ZmJPsLYGNBecQ5j XieZHw1Onj5skDOe2afLnIK1bmBGu0eZ6EB/c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.12.84 with SMTP id w20mr999473bkw.43.1298054918924; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:48:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.73.213 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:48:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110218164632.GE2049@comcast.net> References: <201102181113.19678.mrkvrg@acm.org> <20110218164632.GE2049@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:48:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: Xn Nooby To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: BSD Magazine PDFs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:48:40 -0000 Thanks for the replies, good to know I'm not missing any issues. On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Charlie Kester wrote: > On Fri 18 Feb 2011 at 08:13:19 PST MFV wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I've been downloading BSD Mag since it first came out and your list is >> identical to mine. > > Same here. > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 19:49:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3FCD106566B for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:49:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2758FC0A for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PqWKX-0005iW-78 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 20:49:29 +0100 Received: from pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.85.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 20:49:29 +0100 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 20:49:29 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:50:57 -0500 Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: Install Squid on FBSD with different configure options? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:49:31 -0000 Ed Flecko wrote: > Hi folks, > I want to install squid from the ports package (i.e., > /usr/ports/www/squid) instead of installing from source (which, it's > my understanding, would force me to create a squid user, squid group, > etc. manually). > > However, I want squid to be installed with the ability to restrict end > users internet access based upon their PCs MAC address, which means I > need the --enable-arp-acl option when installing squid. > > I have modified the Makefile (/usr/ports/www/squid/Makefile) to > include this option, but now I'm a little confused - if I use the > standard pkg_add squid command, won't that just fetch the package from > the internet? There are two ways to install software in FreeBSD. pkg_add will download and install a binary that has been previously compiled using the ports system, just it is prebuilt. You will not be able to change build-time parameters, e.g the Makefile changes above will have no effect on a package. The other way is to utilize the ports system to compile from source locally. This allows for build-time config changes, such as your Makefile edit. Generally, most of the time, most of these options already exist and make config will give you a menu to choose them. In this case, you will download the source code tarball and not a prebuilt package. > How do I install squid from the ports package that's on my hard drive? As per instructions in other email. There is not a ports 'package' on your hard drive. There is a 'ports system', which is a build system for compiling applications locally. It is this same build system which is used to generate the binary packages for use with pkg_add. Please read the pertinent sections in the Handbook for more detailed information. Pay attention to something referred to as 'updating the ports tree' as this is usually something newcomers stumble over. Hint: the ports tree is responsible for dependency tracking/resolution. So anytime before installing or updating software you should update your ports tree first. There are sections in the Handbook which cover this. > I am correct in that when I install the package from my local hard > drive, it will automatically create the necessary users/groups for me, > right? > Yes. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 20:21:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4355106566B for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 20:21:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@rhavenn.net) Received: from smtp164.dfw.emailsrvr.com (smtp164.dfw.emailsrvr.com [67.192.241.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A198C8FC14 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 20:21:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp26.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A225A80114 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:03:50 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp26.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rhavenn-AT-rhavenn.net) with ESMTPSA id 7CE508017C for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by vash.rhavenn.local (Postfix, from userid 4000) id 2FCFBC1A; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:03:48 -0900 (AKST) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:03:48 -0900 From: Henrik Hudson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110218200348.GA1857@alucard.int.rhavenn.net> References: <3380813072-1551442120@intranet.com.mx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3380813072-1551442120@intranet.com.mx> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 20:21:14 -0000 On Thu, 17 Feb 2011, Jorge Biquez wrote: > Hello all. > > I am evaluating to buy a new laptop for using it only with Freebsd. > I know in the website mention some options. Thing is that here the > most powerful ones (I3, I5 I7) are sold ONLY with Windows installed > and that increase the value of the equipment. I want the best option > at a nice price (could be Intel or AMD) the ide is to have it as my > main machine and when I need Linux or Windows have them there > running under VirtualBox. The use will be mainly for web > development. Any of the i3 / i5 systems will be using Optimus, even if they don't state as much, and this is not supported under FreeBSD or Linux, neither proprietary or FOSS drivers. Some of the higher-end laptops (Lenovo) you can switch off optimus either in BIOS or a hardware switch, but a lot of those details are hidden behind marketing. It doesn't matter if it's ATI or Nvidia, they still route through the Intel HD stack. Some of the i7 machines don't do this, but they're also space heaters for the most part. Basically, the current state of laptop support for non-Windows is fubarred for probably 6 month to a year or more on the Intel side and finding AMD laptops that have working graphics drivers under FreeBSD is hard as well. Henrik -- Henrik Hudson lists@rhavenn.net ----------------------------------------- "God, root, what is difference?" Pitr; UF From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 22:38:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDF32106566C for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 22:38:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8408FC13 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 22:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1IMc8gA042930; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:38:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p1IMc81g042927; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:38:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:38:08 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Henrik Hudson In-Reply-To: <20110218200348.GA1857@alucard.int.rhavenn.net> Message-ID: References: <3380813072-1551442120@intranet.com.mx> <20110218200348.GA1857@alucard.int.rhavenn.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:38:08 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 22:38:09 -0000 On Fri, 18 Feb 2011, Henrik Hudson wrote: > Any of the i3 / i5 systems will be using Optimus, even if they > don't state as much, and this is not supported under FreeBSD or > Linux, neither proprietary or FOSS drivers. Some of the higher-end laptops (Lenovo) you can switch off > optimus either in BIOS or a hardware switch, but a lot of those > details are hidden behind marketing. It doesn't matter if it's ATI > or Nvidia, they still route through the Intel HD stack. Some of the > i7 machines don't do this, but they're also space heaters for the > most part. There are about 90 notebooks listed on Newegg with ATI/AMD video that should be supported by the 6.13.2 or 6.14.0 xf86-video-ati drivers: X1000-series, HD3000-series, and HD4000-series. 72 of them have the Radeon HD4250. All of those machines have AMD processors. Don't know what is comparable to an i3 or i5, what type of wireless chipset may be included, or how good the ACPI support is on any of them. I'd look at Acer, Lenovo, then Dell and HP, maybe Toshiba if there was nothing else available. http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/index.html is relevant more to used machines, but always worth checking. In fact, if you have tried FreeBSD on a notebook that isn't on there, please create an entry for it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 23:54:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162CB106564A for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 23:54:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [66.147.249.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D32428FC13 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 23:54:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 20497 invoked by uid 0); 18 Feb 2011 23:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy1.bluehost.com.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2011 23:54:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=LKqN0WkazBipiLauMuzAhWPjW/nnMHrRyb5RE5Fa8yAOlCUsQu9857fPlSuP7OeNfpluOf3SqaRmWdF/kYQGnwSD76u+hJXw4GUNzZgtLdfttcnXpaw2hz7WYwMaRxGU; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pqa9r-00071b-UV for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:54:45 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:44:14 -0700 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:44:14 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110218234413.GA84864@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3380813072-1551442120@intranet.com.mx> <20110218032357.GD2049@comcast.net> <20110218050620.GA81273@guilt.hydra> <3380884944-1551442343@intranet.com.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ibTvN161/egqYuK8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3380884944-1551442343@intranet.com.mx> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 23:54:46 -0000 --ibTvN161/egqYuK8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 08:41:09AM -0600, Jorge Biquez wrote: >=20 > I guess my best bet is top have a used one. Is not that it "has" to=20 > be new but I wanted to invest in something new that last some years,=20 > my last lap has 7 years but it is short on memory and won't accept more. > I will use ebay I guess for used equipment and ask my friend to bring=20 > it if possible. If you have good suggestions for places to buy used=20 > equipment please let me know (on ebay I has bought in the past=20 > equipment that was dead already or that has problems immediately=20 > later). Of course sometimes I have bought very good equipment also. In my experience, ThinkPads are among the highest quality laptops on the market. I keep an eye out for notable drops in quality, in case things change, but so far they are still easily the best new laptops for general use, where their configurations are suitable to one's needs (as opposed to cases where a Toughbook might be more appropriate, for instance). They have some of the best keyboards for touch-typing on the market, too, even including high-quality keyboard peripherals for desktop systems. You could try getting in touch with someone at Lenovo about ordering a laptop with no MS Windows license. I seem to recall hearing that's an option, or at least was an option at one time, but I have not really investigated it. You can also check Lenovo's "outlet" for prebuilt ThinkPads that suit your needs, put together for someone else's order that got canceled; they discount these laptops, even though they have never even been shipped to a customer. They also have laptops that were shipped and returned unopened, returned opened, and refurbished, for varying levels of discount and newness. Of course, the "outlet" ThinkPads come with MS Windows, but you at least get a discount greater than the markup for the Windows license that way. Be aware that the "outlet" sales are more prone to errors, though, as my girlfriend discovered when she bought an unshipped, prebuilt ThinkPad a couple years ago that had a license sticker and an installed MS Windows version that did not match. She just wanted to run something Unix-like on it, so it was not a big problem, but we found the mistake somewhat interesting. =2E . . and, of course, be aware that if you get a laptop with Intel HD Graphics, you'll be stuck with the vesa driver at 1024x768 on FreeBSD at least until Konstantin's work fixes the problem with the Intel drivers. Be careful about the hardware in your laptop, whatever brand you get, so you'll be sure to get the best FreeBSD user experience reasonably possible. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --ibTvN161/egqYuK8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1fBE0ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVxUACgobqhH9PeSksbULY7osYF7GEp uBkAoLOKTPn+wn/Kwjz508RKoyCerhbY =pNQf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ibTvN161/egqYuK8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 00:18:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C6DD106566C for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 00:18:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3497D8FC0C for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 00:18:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by powercell.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D67129E9A for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:38:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:38:45 -0500 From: Daniel Staal To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 00:18:49 -0000 I've been reading over the ZFS-only-boot instructions linked here: (and further linked from there) and have one worry: Let's say I install a FreeBSD system using a ZFS-only filesystem into a box with hotswapable hard drives, configured with some redundancy. Time passes, one of the drives fails, and it is replaced and rebuilt using the ZFS tools. (Possibly on auto, or possibly by just doing a 'zpool replace'.) Is that box still bootable? (It's still running, but could it *boot*?) Extend further: If *all* the original drives are replaced (not at the same time, obviously) and rebuilt/resilvered using the ZFS utilities, is the box still bootable? If not, what's the minimum needed to support booting from another disk, and using the ZFS filesystem for everything else? Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 00:18:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E091065670 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 00:18:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3494C8FC08 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 00:18:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.magehandbook.com (archersrock.info [192.168.1.100]) by powercell.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268D42845B for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:59:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from 152.121.16.254 (SquirrelMail authenticated user daniel) by www.magehandbook.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:59:34 -0500 Message-ID: <97405dd7ad34c6cbecebfdda327d1e83.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:59:34 -0500 From: "Daniel Staal" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: DStaal@usa.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 00:18:49 -0000 I've been reading over the ZFS-only-boot instructions linked here: (and further linked from there) and have one worry: Let's say I install a FreeBSD system using a ZFS-only filesystem into a box with hotswapable hard drives, configured with some redundancy. Time passes, one of the drives fails, and it is replaced and rebuilt using the ZFS tools. (Possibly on auto, or possibly by just doing a 'zpool replace'.) Is that box still bootable? (It's still running, but could it *boot*?) Extend further: If *all* the original drives are replaced (not at the same time, obviously) and rebuilt/resilvered using the ZFS utilities, is the box still bootable? If not, what's the minimum needed to support booting from another disk, and using the ZFS filesystem for everything else? Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 00:29:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B083106566C for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 00:29:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C5E8FC15 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 00:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6E42845B for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:29:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:29:36 -0500 From: Daniel Staal To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 00:29:37 -0000 Sorry for the dupe, I did send them about 8 hours apart... 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This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 01:48:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E3311065672 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 01:48:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042DC8FC13 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 01:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwf26 with SMTP id 26so4264744wwf.31 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:48:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=EjHpIk2qyirPzhOEPCwBmB+bl4RLnsqJwBrfZRq4m/M=; b=YHtyI4Lakaqj1Z2e3p/QyUZDONUlKY96h/N3vpvPYmY7SwvvQSwhz9pMlvh22WHIwL 9ygU7+NgcfCL54+7T2+tEMnZHYUuoNNUG2X69QcuXiM+Vi8BRqsaaovSGkbQfFFUMrxI QqsSi7WLAgJ/S3tXMz2KFxg0F0VDoP4vcdl9k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=J2EKi355ZJT4HEUmMIuENxHwv4efew1JJ15nrX4RtN1c06k+si9cliQfQJFZSzH5Z6 KM381Ie1r8xChjnjlAcyUwa5ja+Pd3StCPanqioTn3qnlgveV9svJJdp9yJe1MOMQ0Ln W/YVPsI4ywjahAnU69PT6INiN8kxit3PvX5Ig= Received: by 10.227.133.212 with SMTP id g20mr1292652wbt.65.1298080081421; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:48:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f27sm311351wbf.1.2011.02.18.17.47.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:48:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 01:47:57 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110219014757.19194bdd@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Install Squid on FBSD with different configure options? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 01:48:03 -0000 On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 08:53:27 -0800 Ed Flecko wrote: > Hi folks, > I want to install squid from the ports package (i.e., > /usr/ports/www/squid) instead of installing from source (which, it's > my understanding, would force me to create a squid user, squid group, > etc. manually). > > However, I want squid to be installed with the ability to restrict end > users internet access based upon their PCs MAC address, which means I > need the --enable-arp-acl option when installing squid. > > I have modified the Makefile (/usr/ports/www/squid/Makefile) to > include this option, Don't do that or you will have to maintain it. Revert the change, then run "make config" in the port directory and select "Enable ACLs based on ethernet address" from the menu. The option will be remembered for future upgrades too. Alternately set WITH_SQUID_ARP_ACL=yes in make.conf. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 02:35:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C33106564A for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 02:35:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24FA8FC16 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 02:35:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p5B22F850.dip.t-dialin.net [91.34.248.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p1J2Zqvj002282 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 02:35:53 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p1J2ZnQ6066797 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 03:35:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p1J2a6cp042442 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 03:36:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201102190236.p1J2a6cp042442@fire.js.berklix.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:32:59 EST." Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 03:36:06 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 02:35:56 -0000 > The major OEMs will say "OK, then you must return the computer," and > you have no option but to comply. This is true for the USA. 192 sovereign countries exist with differing laws. Licenses I've seen from usually USA companies in Europe over decades have often seemed to contravene local law. USA allows more restrictions I believe: reverse engineering & unbundling of soft+hardware bundles etc is OK in Europe I think. A British appeals court test case in '80s ruled against NCP: Conditions available after purchase are void. One would need an M$ licence to run M$, but if it held clauses that eg forbade running under emulation, or on replacement hardware, those could contravene some local law & if so be void. M$ was heavily fined by European court a while back (Search with "Microsoft convicted monopolist") I woudn't expect happy compliance. Reality: XP purchased with a Toshiba laptop runs native, but fails on virtualbox, on the same laptop. I believe XP is crippled to only run on Toshiba, & vbox presents too clean/generic an environment ;-) Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text; Not quoted-printable, Not HTML, Not base 64. Reply below text sections not at top, to avoid breaking cumulative context. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 02:47:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1233) id 4A55310656AB; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 02:47:26 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 02:47:26 +0000 From: Alexander Best To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110219024726.GA3909@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Subject: booting a kernel directly from stage 1/2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 02:47:26 -0000 hi there, is it still possible to boot a kernel directly from stage 1 and 2 and thus bypass loader(8)? this is my disk layout: => 34 488394988 ada0 GPT (233G) [CORRUPT] 34 128 1 freebsd-boot (64K) 162 16777216 2 freebsd-swap (8.0G) 16777378 471617644 3 freebsd-ufs (225G) => 34 1953525101 ada1 GPT (932G) 34 20971520 1 freebsd-swap (10G) 20971554 4194304 2 freebsd-ufs (2.0G) 25165858 1928359277 3 freebsd-ufs (920G) my /boot.conf contains: 0:ad(0p3)/boot/kernel/kernel but that won't work. i get some numbers and then it says: btx halted or something like that. but i can give you the exact message if you need it. cheers. alex -- a13x From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 04:08:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0951106564A for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 04:08:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA2D8FC0A for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 04:08:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 18 Feb 2011 23:08:17 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.2.3-GA) with ESMTP id AXS97802; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 23:08:15 -0500 Received-SPF: None identity=pra; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None identity=helo; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="postmaster@jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received: from 209-6-91-204.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.91.204]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 18 Feb 2011 23:08:16 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19807.16937.790123.255479@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 23:08:09 -0500 To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20110218234413.GA84864@guilt.hydra> References: <3380813072-1551442120@intranet.com.mx> <20110218032357.GD2049@comcast.net> <20110218050620.GA81273@guilt.hydra> <3380884944-1551442343@intranet.com.mx> <20110218234413.GA84864@guilt.hydra> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 04:08:16 -0000 Chad Perrin writes: > In my experience, ThinkPads are among the highest quality laptops > on the market. At one point, Thinkpads - particularly the T4x series - were _the_ recommended used laptop. While it's been a while since i looked into this formally, my grapevine says the quality went downhill quickly after Lenovo bought IBM's pc hardware division. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 04:55:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0D21065672 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 04:55:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=0024a994eb=usenet@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [64.57.183.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84A58FC0A for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 04:55:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 22301 invoked by uid 8); 19 Feb 2011 04:28:24 -0000 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Path: not-for-mail From: John Levine Newsgroups: iecc.lists.freebsd-questions Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 04:28:24 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <20110218032357.GD2049@comcast.net> <3380813072-1551442120@intranet.com.mx> <20110218234413.GA84864@guilt.hydra> <19807.16937.790123.255479@jerusalem.litteratus.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.iecc.com X-Trace: gal.iecc.com 1298089704 21209 64.57.183.58 (19 Feb 2011 04:28:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@iecc.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 04:28:24 +0000 (UTC) Cleverness: some X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: johnl@joyce.lan (John L) Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 04:55:06 -0000 > At one point, Thinkpads - particularly the T4x series - were >_the_ recommended used laptop. While it's been a while since i >looked into this formally, my grapevine says the quality went >downhill quickly after Lenovo bought IBM's pc hardware division. I'm typing this on my Lenovo X200 running 8.1. For the most part it works quite well and the quality seems similar to my previous IBM X40. The worst annoyance is that the sound volume is quite low, and I haven't yet figured out what to tweak to fix that. It has bluetooth and a fingerprint reader, neither of which I've set up, mostly out of lack of interest. R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 05:03:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FAC7106566B for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 05:03:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.60]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1AC298FC0A for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 05:03:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 23858 invoked by uid 0); 19 Feb 2011 05:03:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2011 05:03:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=OfIRd6Pm7p4RyGNHBY4YJ2lyHnHGQQD9YigchbWC9JKRfvhoevHlewEMtDlNBQUzJPxamh7vABCyT5tMMMmhkuDiVpZHXfdRbS87GKqDjoqgJzFJCqt3cpFt/Z8XMtVi; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pqez3-00054Z-QY for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 22:03:55 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 18 Feb 2011 21:53:23 -0700 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 21:53:23 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110219045323.GA85885@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3380813072-1551442120@intranet.com.mx> <20110218032357.GD2049@comcast.net> <20110218050620.GA81273@guilt.hydra> <3380884944-1551442343@intranet.com.mx> <20110218234413.GA84864@guilt.hydra> <19807.16937.790123.255479@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <19807.16937.790123.255479@jerusalem.litteratus.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 05:03:57 -0000 --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 11:08:09PM -0500, Robert Huff wrote: >=20 > Chad Perrin writes: > > > > In my experience, ThinkPads are among the highest quality laptops > > on the market. >=20 > At one point, Thinkpads - particularly the T4x series - were > _the_ recommended used laptop. While it's been a while since i > looked into this formally, my grapevine says the quality went > downhill quickly after Lenovo bought IBM's pc hardware division. I think that's a gross exaggeration. I had my fears/doubts about how well the ThinkPad line would hold its quality after the purchase, but I kept using it as long as I did not see any reason to stop. I have not seen a reason to stop. That is not to say that there were not some hitches. There was some talk of a lower-quality keyboard (too much flex in it) than in previous models on one model; I think it was the T500. Lenovo moved quickly to solve the problem, though, and gave people free replacement keyboards. If there has been a technical degradation in quality for ThinkPads under Lenovo's direction, it has been so minute as to not bring it down to the level of the run of relatively high-end laptops from other major manufacturers, so I don't see *too* much room to complain. In the twentyish ThinkPads that I have had, the hardware problems I have had include: 1. a screen that went out on a twelve year old ThinkPad (I don't recall the model number) 2. a screen that went out on a T60 this year -- but it was acquired from a sketchy refurbisher, and refurbished with parts from that refurbisher 3. a P3 600E that a friend of mine managed to fry (she killed electronics by touching them on a regular basis) 4. a T42p that spontaneously combusted (sorta: I smelled burning plastic and turned it off, rescued the hard drive, and -- because it was actually my employer's laptop -- got it replaced under warranty) 5. two batteries died after years of use That's all the hardware failures I've seen, and in most cases they lasted longer than any desktop system I've had. The rest of them -- those that did not suffer hardware failures -- just got handed down to others, one way or another, when I replaced them. Notice that exactly one of those was a Lenovo-built laptop. There are currently five Lenovo-built ThinkPads in my home -- an R52 (just post-transition from IBM to Lenovo), a T60, an X60 Tablet, a T500, and a T510. Of them, the only one with a hardware problem is the T60 with a dead screen, which is currently serving as a desktop system until I get around to setting up the T510 to cover what the T60 does for me. I'm not in a *huge* hurry, since I can ssh to the T60 and connect to a tmux session. That's one Lenovo-built laptop with which I've had any hardware failures, and it's the one that passed through the hands of a very shady refurbisher on its way to me. That's not to say there have not been problems since the Lenovo acquisition, but those problems are related to service rather than manufacture. For instance, their ordering process is a bit less sophisticated behind the scenes (they actually use a spreadsheet to track orders, apparently), and part of their technical service chain of operations has been outsourced. On the other hand, IdeaPads are something entirely of Lenovo invention, as far as I can tell. They're kinda like how ThinkPads might be if they were made by Dell -- superficially similar in some ways, but with crappier manufacture quality, fit and finish, reliability, keyboard feel, et cetera. In short, if there has been a substantive drop in manufacturing and hardware quality, I have not seen it. I suppose your mileage may vary. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1fTMMACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWRXgCdEUj8xExJAq38ckL/dm8vAE6G jEEAnRoxuKn+2MGJTrFFurQkKjrz67z8 =Wh2o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 05:08:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C722F106564A for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 05:08:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D5AB8FC12 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 05:08:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 25346 invoked by uid 0); 19 Feb 2011 05:08:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2011 05:08:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=INs0mLdQ9WtCXMLLT5c1VaBu/24KXFUOIDCrvEa5rIiL+hSIKx2SU95NYdTCr0NO8Tx0rntJXVVgcKEdv5lHIEiZq6vClpFkptpdbWnA/NfhM33HCkx07ezGdvC3YEqG; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pqf3u-0001HU-RG for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 22:08:55 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 18 Feb 2011 21:58:24 -0700 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 21:58:24 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110219045824.GA86009@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110218032357.GD2049@comcast.net> <3380813072-1551442120@intranet.com.mx> <20110218234413.GA84864@guilt.hydra> <19807.16937.790123.255479@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="envbJBWh7q8WU6mo" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 05:08:56 -0000 --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 04:28:24AM +0000, John Levine wrote: >=20 > I'm typing this on my Lenovo X200 running 8.1. For the most part it > works quite well and the quality seems similar to my previous IBM X40. >=20 > The worst annoyance is that the sound volume is quite low, and I > haven't yet figured out what to tweak to fix that. It has bluetooth > and a fingerprint reader, neither of which I've set up, mostly out of > lack of interest. Oh, yeah, I'd forgotten about sound. T/X 400+ ThinkPads seem to have relatively quiet sound. I don't know what's up with that -- and I'm not aware of any way to fix it short of replacing the physical speakers. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1fTfAACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUcvgCfZ4/p4NHBnqBP90XT6RgT4aeZ pXUAn3Wga0DK/aHlHg/J4ZiDt4QugrUb =0iS9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 05:13:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13D01065670 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 05:13:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from craig001@lerwick.hopto.org) Received: from lerwick.hopto.org (lerwick.hopto.org [204.51.112.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8719E8FC15 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 05:13:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 83979 invoked by uid 98); 19 Feb 2011 05:22:21 +0000 Received: from 81.187.141.93 by mailserver (envelope-from , uid 82) with qmail-scanner-2.01 (clamdscan: 0.96.1/11509. spamassassin: 3.3.1. Clear:RC:1(81.187.141.93):. Processed in 0.01733 secs); 19 Feb 2011 05:22:21 -0000 Received: from 93.141.187.81.in-addr.arpa (HELO ?192.168.1.105?) (81.187.141.93) by lerwick.hopto.org with SMTP; 19 Feb 2011 05:22:20 +0000 From: Craig Butler To: freebsd-questions In-Reply-To: References: <20110218032357.GD2049@comcast.net> <3380813072-1551442120@intranet.com.mx> <20110218234413.GA84864@guilt.hydra> <19807.16937.790123.255479@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 05:12:52 +0000 Message-ID: <1298092372.2537.7.camel@main> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 05:13:58 -0000 On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 04:28 +0000, John Levine wrote: > > At one point, Thinkpads - particularly the T4x series - were > >_the_ recommended used laptop. While it's been a while since i > >looked into this formally, my grapevine says the quality went > >downhill quickly after Lenovo bought IBM's pc hardware division. > > I'm typing this on my Lenovo X200 running 8.1. For the most part it > works quite well and the quality seems similar to my previous IBM X40. > > The worst annoyance is that the sound volume is quite low, and I > haven't yet figured out what to tweak to fix that. It has bluetooth > and a fingerprint reader, neither of which I've set up, mostly out of > lack of interest. > > R's, > John > Lenovo destroyed thinkpad in the t410i range; * stupid flimsy/flexi keyboard with massive delete and escape keys (why ???) * gobi 2000 3g connectivity, cant get it working on anything none M$ * cut the number of leds, power led no longer turns orange or flashes, no caps/scroll/num leds (again why ???) * stupid windows 7 stickers. Overall not impressed... /Craig B From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 12:01:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD36106567A for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:01:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DEA48FC08 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:01:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1JC1lY7039446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:01:47 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p1JC1lY7039446 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1298116908; bh=u6/jK+wh8eo447RoAiYCiJ0PEHvwJyngqp6rEcX6CIA=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4D5FB121.6090102@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20S at,=2019=20Feb=202011=2012:01:37=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.13)=20Gecko/20101207=20Thunderbird/3.1.7|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20DStaal@usa.net|CC:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subjec t:=20Re:=20ZFS-only=20booting=20on=20FreeBSD|References:=20<97405d d7ad34c6cbecebfdda327d1e83.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com>|In-Reply -To:=20<97405dd7ad34c6cbecebfdda327d1e83.squirrel@www.magehandbook .com>|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.1.1|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Content -Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protoc ol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"---------- --enig3E13FE86A5C131F5E38B9B18"; b=I4w/FBnM4qGzZvYaWcUjCdNIIZbsVMar+ZgIOSoTi3az7uIINE4rWvDKxoerYTHNy fbDDS+PdWIPjHT0+T5Wbb4DJY1vI4kX2RDWEaMHOi6V4JmVI58ccmfvnvtlymKbq22 iYfFyiZKiAyTEEkC48oCLwj8wW98YiDElzPhxBUg= Message-ID: <4D5FB121.6090102@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:01:37 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DStaal@usa.net References: <97405dd7ad34c6cbecebfdda327d1e83.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <97405dd7ad34c6cbecebfdda327d1e83.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig3E13FE86A5C131F5E38B9B18" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.5 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:01:54 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig3E13FE86A5C131F5E38B9B18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 18/02/2011 15:59, Daniel Staal wrote: >=20 > I've been reading over the ZFS-only-boot instructions linked here: > (and further linked from there) and have = one > worry: >=20 > Let's say I install a FreeBSD system using a ZFS-only filesystem into a= > box with hotswapable hard drives, configured with some redundancy. Tim= e > passes, one of the drives fails, and it is replaced and rebuilt using t= he > ZFS tools. (Possibly on auto, or possibly by just doing a 'zpool > replace'.) >=20 > Is that box still bootable? (It's still running, but could it *boot*?)= Why wouldn't it be? The configuration in the Wiki article sets aside a small freebsd-boot partition on each drive, and the instructions tell you to install boot blocks as part of that partitioning process. You would have to repeat those steps when you install your replacement drive before you added the new disk into your zpool. So long as the BIOS can read the bootcode from one or other drives, and can then access /boot/zfs/zpool.cache to learn about what zpools you have, then the system should boot. > Extend further: If *all* the original drives are replaced (not at the s= ame > time, obviously) and rebuilt/resilvered using the ZFS utilities, is the= > box still bootable? Yes, this will still work. You can even replace all the drives one-by-one with bigger ones, and it will still work and be bootable (and give you more space without *requiring* the system be rebooted). > If not, what's the minimum needed to support booting from another disk,= > and using the ZFS filesystem for everything else? This situation is described in the Boot ZFS system from UFS article here: http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/UFSBoot I use this sort of setup for one system where the zpool has too many drives in it for the BIOS to cope with; works very well booting from a USB key. In fact, while the partitioning layout described in the http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS articles is great for holding the OS and making it bootable, for using ZFS to manage serious quantities of disk storage, other strategies might be better. It would probably be a good idea to have two zpools: one for the bulk of the space built from whole disks (ie. without using gpart or similar partitioning), in addition to your bootable zroot pool. Quite apart from wringing the maximum usable space out of your available disks, this also makes it much easier to replace failed disks or use hot spares. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig3E13FE86A5C131F5E38B9B18 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1fsSsACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxlBgCcDizQIcWjjjHenX31YltchPSx D/gAn1bqaUsCEG0/g13WBmZ74vwjpRsJ =wkwd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig3E13FE86A5C131F5E38B9B18-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 12:08:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B8E106566C; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:08:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267608FC0C; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1JC8esB039508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:08:40 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p1JC8esB039508 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1298117320; bh=9Sfe0EH9RqaOk1Ii1rqajRw5h8voPfHLITzh2IYX4Bs=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4D5FB2C7.7060200@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20S at,=2019=20Feb=202011=2012:08:39=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.13)=20Gecko/20101207=20Thunderbird/3.1.7|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20Alexander=20Best=20|CC:=20freebsd-qu estions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20booting=20a=20kernel=20direct ly=20from=20stage=201/2|References:=20<20110219024726.GA3909@freeb sd.org>|In-Reply-To:=20<20110219024726.GA3909@freebsd.org>|X-Enigm ail-Version:=201.1.1|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Content-Type:=20mult ipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"applica tion/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enigBDEB3DE 345F0C1CD017696E6"; b=WTzVZKLW5YrUE7W+N0HWSbSDeARD9sHEfeBcqFVsjjyIjc/Nw1FM4PjDOaoSdPhi3 10m3kWPK1gDKblmDkApxEPPUC6Np1WWpA+D+eg63SJDEQ0VXc4d5ulTZm4Qb0ota5E 5jPl4jieMuT90pyQKYcJ8zvnwOZJjr/yMU0XCQ6M= Message-ID: <4D5FB2C7.7060200@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:08:39 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Best References: <20110219024726.GA3909@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20110219024726.GA3909@freebsd.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigBDEB3DE345F0C1CD017696E6" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.5 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: booting a kernel directly from stage 1/2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:08:42 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigBDEB3DE345F0C1CD017696E6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 19/02/2011 02:47, Alexander Best wrote: > but that won't work. i get some numbers and then it says: > btx halted or something like that. Can't you boot into fixit mode from installation media? That should allow you to repair the boot blocks and make your system bootable again. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigBDEB3DE345F0C1CD017696E6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1fssgACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxSiQCgjtRaeCjHbzB8g742MqgLlbYx qtEAni0kmER/MrN8EEfmlXj+0+AfGH8G =60ga -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigBDEB3DE345F0C1CD017696E6-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 12:12:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1233) id 5A1CD106566B; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:12:42 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:12:42 +0000 From: Alexander Best To: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <20110219121242.GA55551@freebsd.org> References: <20110219024726.GA3909@freebsd.org> <4D5FB2C7.7060200@infracaninophile.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D5FB2C7.7060200@infracaninophile.co.uk> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: booting a kernel directly from stage 1/2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:12:42 -0000 On Sat Feb 19 11, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 19/02/2011 02:47, Alexander Best wrote: > > but that won't work. i get some numbers and then it says: > > btx halted or something like that. > > Can't you boot into fixit mode from installation media? That should > allow you to repair the boot blocks and make your system bootable again. sorry if i wasn't clear enough. my system works perfectly normal. all i want is to avoid running through the booting stage 3 (i.e. running /boot/loader), because i want to speed up the boot time. cheers. alex > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > -- > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard > Flat 3 > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate > JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW > -- a13x From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 13:18:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81971065670 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:18:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE528FC19 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:18:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2C32845B; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 08:18:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 08:18:00 -0500 From: Daniel Staal To: Matthew Seaman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4D5FB121.6090102@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <97405dd7ad34c6cbecebfdda327d1e83.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <4D5FB121.6090102@infracaninophile.co.uk> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:18:01 -0000 --As of February 19, 2011 12:01:37 PM +0000, Matthew Seaman is alleged to have said: >> Let's say I install a FreeBSD system using a ZFS-only filesystem into a >> box with hotswapable hard drives, configured with some redundancy. Time >> passes, one of the drives fails, and it is replaced and rebuilt using the >> ZFS tools. (Possibly on auto, or possibly by just doing a 'zpool >> replace'.) >> >> Is that box still bootable? (It's still running, but could it *boot*?) > > Why wouldn't it be? The configuration in the Wiki article sets aside a > small freebsd-boot partition on each drive, and the instructions tell > you to install boot blocks as part of that partitioning process. You > would have to repeat those steps when you install your replacement drive > before you added the new disk into your zpool. > > So long as the BIOS can read the bootcode from one or other drives, and > can then access /boot/zfs/zpool.cache to learn about what zpools you > have, then the system should boot. So, assuming a forgetful sysadmin (or someone who is new didn't know about the setup in the first place) is that a yes or a no for the one-drive replaced case? It definitely is a 'no' for the all-drives replaced case, as I suspected: You would need to have repeated the partitioning manually. (And not letting ZFS handle it.) >> If not, what's the minimum needed to support booting from another disk, >> and using the ZFS filesystem for everything else? > > This situation is described in the Boot ZFS system from UFS article > here: http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/UFSBoot > > I use this sort of setup for one system where the zpool has too many > drives in it for the BIOS to cope with; works very well booting from a > USB key. Thanks; I wasn't sure if that procedure would work if the bootloader was on a different physical disk than the rest of the filesystem. Nice to hear from someone who's tried it that it works. ;) > In fact, while the partitioning layout described in the > http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS articles is great for holding the OS > and making it bootable, for using ZFS to manage serious quantities of > disk storage, other strategies might be better. It would probably be a > good idea to have two zpools: one for the bulk of the space built from > whole disks (ie. without using gpart or similar partitioning), in > addition to your bootable zroot pool. Quite apart from wringing the > maximum usable space out of your available disks, this also makes it > much easier to replace failed disks or use hot spares. If a single disk failure in the zpool can render the machine unbootable, it's better yet to have a dedicated bootloader drive: It increases the mean time between failures of your boot device (and therefore your machine), and it reduces the 'gotcha' value. In a hot-swap environment booting directly off of ZFS you could fail a reboot a month (or more...) after the disk replacement, and finding your problem then will be a headache until someone remembers this setup tidbit. If the 'fail to boot' only happens once *all* the original drives have been replaced the mean time between failures is better in the ZFS situation, but the 'gotcha' value becomes absolutely huge: Since you can replace one (or two, or more) disks without issue, the problem will likely take years to develop. Ah well, price of the bleeding edge. ;) Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 14:33:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A506F106564A for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:33:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cyber366@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ABC58FC15 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk35 with SMTP id 35so227430qyk.13 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 06:33:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :subject:date:message-id:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=HZ6SkA9jizeKnPGAxZdocgLLIRHBlZXmt7BQ8Ur3gEg=; b=D4gE5mDRgVTAmJNQ0dZezzDZyHA3CAehhJpAq5aOiGIrxziib3TV/+lsA8aNopjMGY OVwX/y13jRyuCpra/pBZNPypHDU7/fXGOoP/TXiK9A1DV291gfyk2yGEVXf25dCHBDGI lYnkqYmboi8u4rXPeV6q87UAlj+6Sip9TsGy8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; b=v0KzOT0xomJkha7X/H4gOYa2p42Ao0yZqLlsImYxUJqowuzjX5xtrEDJoAH8Pg9yMZ e9yBn8ghzTUViBQkxfqEr3xqQA/J/y4yTGCvcI4hHNexhOy6ztD6k2lj8o6KGgTjFwub eiaH6uAiTDVpMxVvVH3n2Ok1FF8r0ObVybu08= Received: by 10.229.190.204 with SMTP id dj12mr1443195qcb.101.1298124295947; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 06:04:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (c-66-31-125-134.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [66.31.125.134]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g28sm2314634qck.37.2011.02.19.06.04.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 19 Feb 2011 06:04:55 -0800 (PST) From: David Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 09:04:53 -0500 Message-Id: <7E0B1096-3250-4B27-A541-61CA2E5F3F7B@gmail.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Subject: Developing Embedded Network Device on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:33:40 -0000 Hello All: I am new to FreeBSD development (I've done some work on NetBSD, but = mostly on Linux). I am developing a COTS-based network appliance. After doing my research, = I've decided to use FreeBSD as my development platform. I would like to get my = development environment to the point where I can build a single ISO image that will contain OS = and application ready to install. After reading through the handbook, porter's guide, = and googling, I think I have a rough idea of how to do this, but I still have some gaps in how I set = this up. My current understanding is that all of the application specific, user = land software should=20 reside in the ports tree. I have two questions with respect to this: 1. If I don't want to publish my software, how do I manage the source = (do I just generate a tarball on my build machine and place it in DISTDIR?). 2. How do I integrate a ports-based application with a "make release" so = that I can have my application binaries and dependancies included on the ISO ready for = installation? I'd greatly appreciate any pointers. I'm really looking forward to = developing under FreeBSD, but just need a few pointers to get me started. Thanks! David. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 14:44:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26EF1065673 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:44:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62CCB8FC1B for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1JEicZE045317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:44:38 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p1JEicZE045317 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1298126679; bh=/LjLOUH0qVOhWf+SewteGTtMUoSjDMJveZwsgWMF2Kc=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4D5FD756.5020306@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20S at,=2019=20Feb=202011=2014:44:38=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.13)=20Gecko/20101207=20Thunderbird/3.1.7|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20Daniel=20Staal=20|CC:=20freebsd-questions @freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20ZFS-only=20booting=20on=20FreeBSD|Re ferences:=20<97405dd7ad34c6cbecebfdda327d1e83.squirrel@www.magehan dbook.com>=20<4D5FB121.6090102@infracaninophile.co.uk>=20|In-Reply-To:=20|X-Enigmail-Version:=20 1.1.1|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B =20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signat ure"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig94A981D5C8C4009DD44EE3 30"; b=kFumsC7uquBVZ6kcq0Z2s5E6XXuJhYtCuYKf62vC5+xqZXI9qxdUBt9LtcdtprEnT D3kvJDVd/eGOW6eLEqBFWtvgiJULSgnwagkAz5wqNQztxvLmaAhf4KAwZeBOwVFuT1 Xuj7zz7lk8SSd6CaWivSIT+Cr1o64skUaZ1NwV5c= Message-ID: <4D5FD756.5020306@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:44:38 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Staal References: <97405dd7ad34c6cbecebfdda327d1e83.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <4D5FB121.6090102@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig94A981D5C8C4009DD44EE330" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.5 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:44:43 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig94A981D5C8C4009DD44EE330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 19/02/2011 13:18, Daniel Staal wrote: >> Why wouldn't it be? The configuration in the Wiki article sets aside = a >> small freebsd-boot partition on each drive, and the instructions tell >> you to install boot blocks as part of that partitioning process. You >> would have to repeat those steps when you install your replacement dri= ve >> before you added the new disk into your zpool. >> >> So long as the BIOS can read the bootcode from one or other drives, an= d >> can then access /boot/zfs/zpool.cache to learn about what zpools you >> have, then the system should boot. >=20 > So, assuming a forgetful sysadmin (or someone who is new didn't know > about the setup in the first place) is that a yes or a no for the > one-drive replaced case? Umm... a sufficiently forgetful sysadmin can break *anything*. This isn't really a fair test: forgetting to write the boot blocks onto a disk could similarly render a UFS based system unbootable. That's why scripting this sort of stuff is a really good idea. Any new sysadmin should of course be referred to the copious and accurate documentation detailing exactly the steps needed to replace a drive... ZFS is definitely advantageous in this respect, because the sysadmin has to do fewer steps to repair a failed drive, so there's less opportunity for anything to be missed out or got wrong. The best solution in this respect is one where you can simply unplug the dead drive and plug in the replacement. You can do that with many hardware RAID systems, but you're going to have to pay a premium price for them. Also, you loose out on the general day-to-day benefits of using ZFS. > It definitely is a 'no' for the all-drives replaced case, as I > suspected: You would need to have repeated the partitioning manually.=20 > (And not letting ZFS handle it.) Oh, assuming your sysadmins consistently fail to replace the drives correctly, then depending on your BIOS you can be in deep do-do as far as rebooting goes rather sooner than that. > If a single disk failure in the zpool can render the machine > unbootable, it's better yet to have a dedicated bootloader drive If a single disk failure renders your system unbootable, then you're doing it wrong. ZFS-root systems should certainly reboot if zfs can still assemble the root pool -- so with one disk failed for RAIDZ1, or two for RAIDZ2 or up to half the drives for mirror. If this failure to correctly replace broken drives is going to be a significant problem in your environment, then I guess you're going to have to define appropriate processes. You might say that in the event of a hard drive being replaced, it is mandatory to book some planned downtime at the next convenient point, and do a test reboot + apply any remedial work needed. If your system design is such that you can't take any one machine down for maintenance, even with advance warning then you've got more important problems to solve before you worry about using ZFS or not. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig94A981D5C8C4009DD44EE330 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1f11YACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxv2wCgiCWDxArXvOor95ED9jiWpG5X 9UwAoJEl1y4VONo2N/drFhF9un2FXzzC =Ceh1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig94A981D5C8C4009DD44EE330-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 15:10:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51FBC106566C for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:10:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from milu@dat.pl) Received: from jab.dat.pl (dat.pl [80.51.155.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F818FC17 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:10:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jab.dat.pl (jsrv.dat.pl [127.0.0.1]) by jab.dat.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F04A7; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:10:07 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at dat.pl Received: from jab.dat.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by jab.dat.pl (jab.dat.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id yrbENwjoOsXe; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:10:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from snifi.localnet (87-205-158-72.adsl.inetia.pl [87.205.158.72]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by jab.dat.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BC80C35; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:10:03 +0100 (CET) From: Maciej Milewski To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:10:16 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.6 (Linux/2.6.37-ARCH; KDE/4.6.0; x86_64; ; ) References: <20110218032357.GD2049@comcast.net> <1298092372.2537.7.camel@main> In-Reply-To: <1298092372.2537.7.camel@main> X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201102191610.16919.milu@dat.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Craig Butler Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:10:10 -0000 On Saturday 19 of February 2011 06:12:52, Craig Butler wrote: > Lenovo destroyed thinkpad in the t410i range; > * stupid flimsy/flexi keyboard with massive delete and escape keys > (why ???) I don't liked it either so I stayed with R400. > * gobi 2000 3g connectivity, cant get it working on anything none M$ Have you tried gobi_loader and http://old.nabble.com/-dev-ttyU0---block-at-open-td29876841.html ? As for the subject - my R400 is working fine and I have no problems with it. Opposite to when I had Lenovo 3000 series(poor performance,hot palm rest place, poor technical design: plastic cover too thin and too plastic. It made my lcd with background artefact of the 5cm circle in the centre of the screen) I think this line was transformed into the IdeaPad line Earlier I had Acer's Travelmate 3012 where it has issues with acpi and overall performance not to mention surprisingly hot keyboard. - Maciej From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 15:10:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004F910656D4 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:10:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6372F8FC12 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:10:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1JFA986045631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:10:09 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p1JFA986045631 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1298128209; bh=BRuACJ07PpoGHZ9Bk1dBNZe0GOUB81j7ior96LaKH3U=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4D5FDD4C.5050503@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20S at,=2019=20Feb=202011=2015:10:04=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.13)=20Gecko/20101207=20Thunderbird/3.1.7|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Developing =20Embedded=20Network=20Device=20on=20FreeBSD|References:=20<7E0B1 096-3250-4B27-A541-61CA2E5F3F7B@gmail.com>|In-Reply-To:=20<7E0B109 6-3250-4B27-A541-61CA2E5F3F7B@gmail.com>|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.1 .1|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20 micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature "=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enigC4235F5CD1091397FFBB6106" ; b=nYRALeutMD8Dm3QgLj6QMDJtz7TIOH4jnk7GMCgXcSHTj69JncYTMUGK2hyvrHdqY nVRB8G9pY60xIlAjn76DxuISVeb9rIR8z18CwIiWCacNliBzG8zvpvfhD3+i7sMlBJ arb7mFIye3DilaBrzufiOJuwdzAhdEpW0R6HDk44= Message-ID: <4D5FDD4C.5050503@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:10:04 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <7E0B1096-3250-4B27-A541-61CA2E5F3F7B@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7E0B1096-3250-4B27-A541-61CA2E5F3F7B@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigC4235F5CD1091397FFBB6106" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.5 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: Developing Embedded Network Device on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:10:14 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigC4235F5CD1091397FFBB6106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 19/02/2011 14:04, David wrote: > I am new to FreeBSD development (I've done some work on NetBSD, but mos= tly > on Linux). >=20 > I am developing a COTS-based network appliance. After doing my research= , I've decided to > use FreeBSD as my development platform. I would like to get my developm= ent environment > to the point where I can build a single ISO image that will contain OS = and application > ready to install. After reading through the handbook, porter's guide, a= nd googling, I think I have > a rough idea of how to do this, but I still have some gaps in how I set= this up. Cool. There's pretty good support for building custom install media in FreeBSD -- see release(7) for starters. > My current understanding is that all of the application specific, user = land software should=20 > reside in the ports tree. I have two questions with respect to this: They don't *have* to reside in the ports -- it's just that the advantages of using ports are such that you'ld need a really compelling reason not to. Also, "using the ports" and "using packages" come to pretty much the same thing in the end. Ports are just a structure for building packages -- and packages can be in two states: installed into your filesystem, or collected together as a pkg tarball. > 1. If I don't want to publish my software, how do I manage the source (= do I just generate a tarball > on my build machine and place it in DISTDIR?). You can create private ports that you can manage yourself and that integrate with the regular ports tree pretty easily. In that case, you should be able to build pre-compiled packages for your software which you can include on your custom media. It's trickier if you need several custom ports with dependencies between them, but still doable. For a simple custom port, you can create a directory containing a port Makefile, pkg-descr, pkg-plist etc. etc. anywhere in your filesystem. Follow the Porter's Handbook for creating your port (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/) -- the structure you need is identical to what you'ld write for a port intended to be committed to the public ports tree. > 2. How do I integrate a ports-based application with a "make release" s= o that I can have my > application binaries and dependancies included on the ISO ready for ins= tallation? This is a standard feature when building install media using 'make release' -- you should even be able to set up a scripted sysinstall that will do practically everything automatically, including installing your custom packages. Or check out the new bsdinstall stuff going into current right about now. > I'd greatly appreciate any pointers. I'm really looking forward to deve= loping > under FreeBSD, but just need a few pointers to get me started. You'll find that FreeBSD documentation is rather more comprehensive than is typical under Linux. Just about everything has a man page, and the Handbook and various other online publications are generally rated as excellent. Anything else, the FreeBSD mailing lists or forums can usually be relied upon to provide answers about. There are specialised lists for most interesting topics. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigC4235F5CD1091397FFBB6106 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1f3VEACgkQ8Mjk52CukIyRogCglci4X8zcdLy5la0EGO1bIJmE vc4An0S5qYQ6WIcWQRl9kbu633DDJA96 =h0WD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigC4235F5CD1091397FFBB6106-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 15:27:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF03106564A for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:27:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from redcrash@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE558FC08 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:27:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so4704265iwn.13 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 07:27:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tAwq9IyKck2uDUQasL19k+WUOXjrw/vqWaVHrAmxHp8=; b=BFxXCMPwdxrLkYmrsKeAU9DaPUccHglvT2Epl6s6hir8V9SXD9NncOmlEzaYxBvew6 jAbtApQlYCermKXlJVA/9Im4OA1B1Pbh5HTuoBdAV1gdotIAyvOcrw5qCEYALkD2Azg0 Cy5ROzmaBsl2WGQ+nP385IFC8CXzu3CJt1U30= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=G5o0Cn2cJ7MmKjboWLlXAOaAZ9zx6/vl0/QiovHy+Ggj1zrWDkzrUBbFWT201dDuwN xqorwdI8GGA+gzevvQF2maF+vgjtnspLZ+e3sZGASltH69qlWFZjenJQqukd1khD1XWw 5edjNM2FQE4URZC6gMRgFcYdesOZZ6glDNmS8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.182.13 with SMTP id ca13mr1459021ibb.57.1298127859352; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 07:04:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.13.71 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 07:04:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:04:19 +0100 Message-ID: From: Harald Servat To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: 8.2-PRERELEASE? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:27:20 -0000 Hello list, yesterday (Feb, 17th) I performed a cvsup (using csup, infact) of my /usr/src tree using *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8 in my csup file (based on the csup file /usr/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile). According to [1], RELENG_8_2 and RELENG_8_2_0_RELEASE were created before, however, running uname ony machine after building world reports "FreeBSD 8.2-PRERELEASE". I expect it not to show 8.2-PRERELEASE but something newer (maybe 8.3-PRERELEASE?) Is uname reporting that I'm stick in some old bits? If so, how can I move to the newer 8.x bits? If not, when does the version change? Thank you! [1] http://wiki.freebsd.org/Releng/8.2TODO -- _________________________________________________________________ Fry: You can see how I lived before I met you. Bender: You lived before you met me?! Fry: Yeah, lots of people did. Bender: Really?! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 15:35:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A2F106564A for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:35:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B188FC16 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:35:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 734042845B; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:35:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:35:35 -0500 From: Daniel Staal To: Matthew Seaman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4D5FD756.5020306@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <97405dd7ad34c6cbecebfdda327d1e83.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <4D5FB121.6090102@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4D5FD756.5020306@infracaninophile.co.uk> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:35:38 -0000 --As of February 19, 2011 2:44:38 PM +0000, Matthew Seaman is alleged to have said: > Umm... a sufficiently forgetful sysadmin can break *anything*. This > isn't really a fair test: forgetting to write the boot blocks onto a > disk could similarly render a UFS based system unbootable. That's why > scripting this sort of stuff is a really good idea. Any new sysadmin > should of course be referred to the copious and accurate documentation > detailing exactly the steps needed to replace a drive... > > ZFS is definitely advantageous in this respect, because the sysadmin has > to do fewer steps to repair a failed drive, so there's less opportunity > for anything to be missed out or got wrong. > > The best solution in this respect is one where you can simply unplug the > dead drive and plug in the replacement. You can do that with many > hardware RAID systems, but you're going to have to pay a premium price > for them. Also, you loose out on the general day-to-day benefits of > using ZFS. --As for the rest, it is mine. True, best case is hardware RAID for this specific problem. What I'm looking at here is basically reducing the surprise: A ZFS pool being used as the boot drive has the 'surprising' behavior that if you replace a drive using the instructions from the man pages or a naive Google search, you will have a drive that *appears* to work, until some point later where you attempt to reboot your system. (At which point you will need to start over.) To avoid this you need to read local documentation and/or remember that there is something beyond the man pages needs to be done. With a normal UFS/etc. filesystem the standard failure recovery systems will point out that this is a boot drive, and handle as necessary. It will either work or not, it will never *appear* to work, and then fail at some future point from a current error. It might be more steps to repair a specific drive, but all the steps are handled together. Basically, if a ZFS boot drive fails, you are likely to get the following scenario: 1) 'What do I need to do to replace a disk in the ZFS pool?' 2) 'Oh, that's easy.' Replaces disk. 3) System fails to boot at some later point. 4) 'Oh, right, you need to do this *as well* on the *boot* pool...' Where if a UFS boot drive fails on an otherwise ZFS system, you'll get: 1) 'What's this drive?' 2) 'Oh, so how do I set that up again?' 3) Set up replacement boot drive. The first situation hides that it's a special case, where the second one doesn't. To avoid the first scenario you need to make sure your sysadmins are following *local* (and probably out-of-band) docs, and aware of potential problems. And awake. ;) The scenario in the second situation presents it's problem as a unified package, and you can rely on normal levels of alertness to be able to handle it correctly. (The sysadmin will realize it needs to be set up as a boot device because it's the boot device. ;) It may be complicated, but it's *obviously* complicated.) I'm still not clear on whether a ZFS-only system will boot with a failed drive in the root ZFS pool. Once booted, of course a decent ZFS setup should be able to recover from the failed drive. But the question is if the FreeBSD boot process will handle the redundancy or not. At this point I'm actually guessing it will, which of course only exasperates the above surprise problem: 'The easy ZFS disk replacement procedure *did* work in the past, why did it cause a problem now?' (And conceivably it could cause *major* data problems at that point, as ZFS will *grow* a pool quite easily, but *shrinking* one is a problem.) Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. 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This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 15:35:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28ED11065695 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:35:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cyber366@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9678FC18 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so3921680qwj.13 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 07:35:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:mime-version:content-type:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to:x-mailer; bh=koJ4d8TJTFrO34iHguUKIiV+pNGO0ya1VYYPGrL6WQQ=; b=NeAw3nMmMuyw02vmyDq1K5bgBts1Sh1yEj6nK3yEGh7nX5j8rGqgdm25laSkT8hkmO neKjUgRtGrX3w0zl6l7eTCY3Uye6N8Z7cfFGKWz9/Yivst74ihtuZc3B+b840Vm48Bgz stvoEHW8FKBijZb4fZ0f1INNeF5srwW0FPtkU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=wDgTPVtTjAn7c63GwsNJ69BoW4IIC5TWqljzhFlEXptap3CdjO48i8fbjGn3OiQryT Z2uRpHITHashS9iOO7W37Anzu3HNZgrdIBQGgG6P4FpeCbOaQ7gDT1V+rzRidxaANpPI 1qx8TIil/IzR3BRzFkPqp8ewjbKsmo1MfA2wQ= Received: by 10.229.220.133 with SMTP id hy5mr1472371qcb.269.1298129753845; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 07:35:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (c-66-31-125-134.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [66.31.125.134]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g28sm2361744qck.37.2011.02.19.07.35.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 19 Feb 2011 07:35:53 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David In-Reply-To: <4D5FDD4C.5050503@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:35:51 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3DA6F44D-FABF-4E2A-9E32-B3D617C36B61@gmail.com> References: <7E0B1096-3250-4B27-A541-61CA2E5F3F7B@gmail.com> <4D5FDD4C.5050503@infracaninophile.co.uk> To: Matthew Seaman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Developing Embedded Network Device on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:35:55 -0000 On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 19/02/2011 14:04, David wrote: >> [Snip] >> I'd greatly appreciate any pointers. I'm really looking forward to = developing >> under FreeBSD, but just need a few pointers to get me started. >=20 > You'll find that FreeBSD documentation is rather more comprehensive = than > is typical under Linux. Just about everything has a man page, and the > Handbook and various other online publications are generally rated as > excellent. Anything else, the FreeBSD mailing lists or forums can > usually be relied upon to provide answers about. There are = specialised > lists for most interesting topics. Thank you for the pointers Matt, that is very helpful. I am already = enjoying working with FreeBSD and looking forward to learning more about it as I = progress. Cheers, David. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 16:00:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0815910656E8 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:00:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dl99@me.com) Received: from asmtpout027.mac.com (asmtpout027.mac.com [17.148.16.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0758FC19 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:00:21 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from [192.168.1.102] (c-66-31-125-134.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [66.31.125.134]) by asmtp027.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-18.01 64bit (built Jul 15 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LGV00E0ODN5B450@asmtp027.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 06:59:30 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-02-19_03:2011-02-19, 2011-02-19, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1102190057 From: David Lapsley In-reply-to: <7E0B1096-3250-4B27-A541-61CA2E5F3F7B@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 09:59:28 -0500 Message-id: <296734BA-B2D9-4987-A1F1-BE7CE7540C03@me.com> References: <7E0B1096-3250-4B27-A541-61CA2E5F3F7B@gmail.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Subject: Re: Developing Embedded Network Device on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:00:26 -0000 After a little more research ... On Feb 19, 2011, at 9:04 AM, David wrote: > Hello All: > > I am new to FreeBSD development (I've done some work on NetBSD, but mostly > on Linux). > > I am developing a COTS-based network appliance. After doing my research, I've decided to > use FreeBSD as my development platform. I would like to get my development environment > to the point where I can build a single ISO image that will contain OS and application > ready to install. After reading through the handbook, porter's guide, and googling, I think I have > a rough idea of how to do this, but I still have some gaps in how I set this up. > > My current understanding is that all of the application specific, user land software should > reside in the ports tree. I have two questions with respect to this: > > 1. If I don't want to publish my software, how do I manage the source (do I just generate a tarball > on my build machine and place it in DISTDIR?). After reading Chapter 11 of "Absolute FreeBSD, 2nd Edition" (very helpful!), it seems like "make package" is my friend in this case. I've created a "packages" directory in /usr/ports so that my software and dependancies will be packaged and placed in this directory. >From there, it seems like it should be fairly straightforward to have these incorporated into the ISO build. Then I can do OS install from the ISO build, followed by a pkg_add (with appropriate environment variables set) to install the binary packages. This seems workable. I'm not sure if it is the Right way to do it. I'd appreciate any thoughts/comments on this. Thanks, David. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 17:29:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F2F5106564A for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:29:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFF258FC12 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:29:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwf26 with SMTP id 26so4678028wwf.31 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 09:29:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=n12csVlFhIZbKJjqq0E/UFSzE0RnOCRo3mvEkIgBLB0=; b=qBA6x8PEdPTAVJavKAvhNfPV0uYTv2n3EFokUpjrfRyVw3+Z32QfJTJrR9dAy8CZiB pqqDvnwy0Dg6XKDIBDhZHI6TzX86MT2tJcyKmPmNm8dS+9lp5QfrUlQTFaZdIrWwj1kk 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booting on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:29:44 -0000 On 19 February 2011 15:35, Daniel Staal wrote: > --As of February 19, 2011 2:44:38 PM +0000, Matthew Seaman is alleged to > have said: > >> Umm... a sufficiently forgetful sysadmin can break *anything*. =A0This >> isn't really a fair test: forgetting to write the boot blocks onto a >> disk could similarly render a UFS based system unbootable. =A0 That's wh= y >> scripting this sort of stuff is a really good idea. =A0 Any new sysadmin >> should of course be referred to the copious and accurate documentation >> detailing exactly the steps needed to replace a drive... >> >> ZFS is definitely advantageous in this respect, because the sysadmin has >> to do fewer steps to repair a failed drive, so there's less opportunity >> for anything to be missed out or got wrong. >> >> The best solution in this respect is one where you can simply unplug the >> dead drive and plug in the replacement. =A0You can do that with many >> hardware RAID systems, but you're going to have to pay a premium price >> for them. =A0Also, you loose out on the general day-to-day benefits of >> using ZFS. > > --As for the rest, it is mine. > > True, best case is hardware RAID for this specific problem. =A0What I'm > looking at here is basically reducing the surprise: A ZFS pool being used= as > the boot drive has the 'surprising' behavior that if you replace a drive > using the instructions from the man pages or a naive Google search, you w= ill > have a drive that *appears* to work, until some point later where you > attempt to reboot your system. =A0(At which point you will need to start > over.) =A0To avoid this you need to read local documentation and/or remem= ber > that there is something beyond the man pages needs to be done. > > With a normal UFS/etc. filesystem the standard failure recovery systems w= ill > point out that this is a boot drive, and handle as necessary. =A0It will > either work or not, it will never *appear* to work, and then fail at some > future point from a current error. =A0It might be more steps to repair a > specific drive, but all the steps are handled together. > > Basically, if a ZFS boot drive fails, you are likely to get the following > scenario: > 1) 'What do I need to do to replace a disk in the ZFS pool?' > 2) 'Oh, that's easy.' =A0Replaces disk. > 3) System fails to boot at some later point. > 4) 'Oh, right, you need to do this *as well* on the *boot* pool...' > > Where if a UFS boot drive fails on an otherwise ZFS system, you'll get: > 1) 'What's this drive?' > 2) 'Oh, so how do I set that up again?' > 3) Set up replacement boot drive. > > The first situation hides that it's a special case, where the second one > doesn't. > > To avoid the first scenario you need to make sure your sysadmins are > following *local* (and probably out-of-band) docs, and aware of potential > problems. =A0And awake. =A0;) =A0The scenario in the second situation pre= sents > it's problem as a unified package, and you can rely on normal levels of > alertness to be able to handle it correctly. =A0(The sysadmin will realiz= e it > needs to be set up as a boot device because it's the boot device. =A0;) = =A0It > may be complicated, but it's *obviously* complicated.) > > I'm still not clear on whether a ZFS-only system will boot with a failed > drive in the root ZFS pool. =A0Once booted, of course a decent ZFS setup > should be able to recover from the failed drive. =A0But the question is i= f the > FreeBSD boot process will handle the redundancy or not. =A0At this point = I'm > actually guessing it will, which of course only exasperates the above > surprise problem: 'The easy ZFS disk replacement procedure *did* work in = the > past, why did it cause a problem now?' =A0(And conceivably it could cause > *major* data problems at that point, as ZFS will *grow* a pool quite easi= ly, > but *shrinking* one is a problem.) > > Daniel T. Staal > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > This email copyright the author. =A0Unless otherwise noted, you > are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use > the contents for non-commercial purposes. =A0This copyright will > expire 5 year s after the author's death, or in 30 years, > whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of > local copyright law. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > on slightly different note, make sure you align your partitions so the zfs partitions 1st sector is divisible by 8, eg 1st sector 2048. Also when you create the zpool, use the gnop -s 4096 trick to make sure the pool has ashift=3D12. You may not be using advanced format drives yet, but when you do in the future you will be glad you started out like this. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 18:40:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7903106564A for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:40:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andyt@afua.net) Received: from exprod7og110.obsmtp.com (exprod7og110.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 37D038FC0A for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:40:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from source ([74.125.82.171]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob110.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKTWAOlzpMQfnVCQc94MiWG1p2ubFZqMwN@postini.com; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:40:24 PST Received: by wyg36 with SMTP id 36so47982wyg.16 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:40:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.89.71 with SMTP id b49mr1842837wef.28.1298139119786; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:11:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.253.169 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:11:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:11:59 -0500 Message-ID: From: Andy Tornquist To: Daniel Staal , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:40:24 -0000 P0r c qpppqppqpqapprfpprkkqroikiujpou Q R F Rf On 2/18/11, Daniel Staal wrote: > > I've been reading over the ZFS-only-boot instructions linked here: > (and further linked from there) and have one > worry: > > Let's say I install a FreeBSD system using a ZFS-only filesystem into a > box with hotswapable hard drives, configured with some redundancy. Time > passes, one of the drives fails, and it is replaced and rebuilt using the > ZFS tools. (Possibly on auto, or possibly by just doing a 'zpool > replace'.) > > Is that box still bootable? (It's still running, but could it *boot*?) > > Extend further: If *all* the original drives are replaced (not at the same > time, obviously) and rebuilt/resilvered using the ZFS utilities, is the > box still bootable? > > If not, what's the minimum needed to support booting from another disk, > and using the ZFS filesystem for everything else? > > Daniel T. Staal > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you > are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use > the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will > expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, > whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of > local copyright law. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Sent from my mobile device From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 19:06:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279E61065670 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:06:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cjr@cruwe.de) Received: from cruwe.de (t1850.greatnet.de [83.133.124.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84AE18FC12 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:06:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 29404 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2011 19:06:56 -0000 Received: from p5b379c5a.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO dijkstra) (smtpallow@91.55.156.90) by t1850.greatnet.de with ESMTPA; 19 Feb 2011 19:06:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:06:46 +0100 From: "Christopher J. Ruwe" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110219200646.6a372e42@dijkstra> In-Reply-To: <20110218234413.GA84864@guilt.hydra> References: <3380813072-1551442120@intranet.com.mx> <20110218032357.GD2049@comcast.net> <20110218050620.GA81273@guilt.hydra> <3380884944-1551442343@intranet.com.mx> <20110218234413.GA84864@guilt.hydra> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/GOueg/SiUdtHKKw222I+FI3"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:06:59 -0000 --Sig_/GOueg/SiUdtHKKw222I+FI3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am typing on a Lenovo Thinkpad R500 running 8-stable, after (a very high quality) instruction installation by Yamagi Burmeister (http://www.bsdforen.de/showthread.php?s=3De2db5256b283497ca371738ad34b7572= &t=3D24823). I am very happy with both FreeBSD and my notebook since I switched (unnerved) from Gentoo Linux to FreeBSD last year. --=20 Christopher J. Ruwe TZ GMT + 1 --Sig_/GOueg/SiUdtHKKw222I+FI3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNYBTNAAoJEJTIKW/o3iwU+L0P/2TPIZbv6b61ztqLq2EFD5tj 7zXEEqPMsD1J0VNQ9stwj6L5an/ZB5A0O+Q6IaW/l1KJcF9BDTcKEfZH07Bb4n1p goOYPO852VMJlWksbb0mSvM5XNq4L/uHAzS9GjPhJgY4qBURGOP59JOoUT+5/7Tq EuLxoLWj0wan7jXfRcxm+VOPE+ceeINt06/NQDPboHeB3ch+yRMnvyRis0s2RRYH X5L1nLWUU0fYSg5MjfItmSIj8dPUx3H+0QAUM60Cou2IELitJLj8gd75DSgCZ5Qs vwg3OnZZ4Z0q/nQYKMfOWGMtAGyEBwlyYV+vkQogwTejVgOv8TWzxf381BHKj/Yk 0XU4tOgXzZ9bkpmMSYklHl39Bd4ST9+1L6Nf+zzQu3/bmgEoVrCtHrIsaLmYYP59 hTsdV+XRM/j+/dRTdioiOMV+A1h3d0O/sI79/AdVRlMHRkULJwPeQsGAEvTdg0a5 G7DUP6mGdmBc6dLKdOR5dM4GbplHvp51br+vudxDHQyAAWatv6cWg2YqwvEcGOtx wxN/TWn8/WpyszjdfXLT4QOfk6TS6/DkGP+fYVT85kCysclv2ObHyxwaJx4JQ6Wm Fe/4El5iVeONabu/xkKXGXeS1SpymNBKJF7bJysHCuKgFcRLKxs0GmABdrHQwbTo iRxQVV1E1E6UvoI11caP =qqZW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/GOueg/SiUdtHKKw222I+FI3-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 20:07:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455101065672 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:07:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007DE8FC0A for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:07:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p1JKCKnP038248 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:12:20 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:12:20 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201102192012.p1JKCKnP038248@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:07:32 -0000 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:35:35 -0500 > From: Daniel Staal > Subject: Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD > [[.. sneck ..]] > > Basically, if a ZFS boot drive fails, you are likely to get the following > scenario: > 1) 'What do I need to do to replace a disk in the ZFS pool?' > 2) 'Oh, that's easy.' Replaces disk. > 3) System fails to boot at some later point. > 4) 'Oh, right, you need to do this *as well* on the *boot* pool...' > > Where if a UFS boot drive fails on an otherwise ZFS system, you'll get: > 1) 'What's this drive?' > 2) 'Oh, so how do I set that up again?' > 3) Set up replacement boot drive. > > The first situation hides that it's a special case, where the second one > doesn't. "For any foolproof system, there exists a _sufficiently-determined_ fool capable of breaking it" applies. > To avoid the first scenario you need to make sure your sysadmins are > following *local* (and probably out-of-band) docs, and aware of potential > problems. And awake. ;) The scenario in the second situation presents > it's problem as a unified package, and you can rely on normal levels of > alertness to be able to handle it correctly. (The sysadmin will realize > it needs to be set up as a boot device because it's the boot device. ;) > It may be complicated, but it's *obviously* complicated.) > > I'm still not clear on whether a ZFS-only system will boot with a failed > drive in the root ZFS pool. Once booted, of course a decent ZFS setup > should be able to recover from the failed drive. But the question is if > the FreeBSD boot process will handle the redundancy or not. At this > point I'm actually guessing it will, which of course only exasperates the > above surprise problem: 'The easy ZFS disk replacement procedure *did* > work in the past, why did it cause a problem now?' (And conceivably it > could cause *major* data problems at that point, as ZFS will *grow* a > pool quite easily, but *shrinking* one is a problem.) A non-ZFS boot drive results in immediate, _guaranteed_, down-time for replacement if/when it fails. A ZFS boot drive lets you replace the drive and *schedule* the down-time (for a 'test' re-boot, to make *sure* everything works) at a convenient time. Failure to schedule the required down time is a management failure, not a methodology issue. One has located the requisite "sufficiently- determined" fool, and the results thereof are to be expected. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 20:57:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0188A1065693 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:57:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9781C8FC08 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:57:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so541743ewy.13 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:57:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.119.132 with SMTP id n4mr2489296eeh.42.1298149023357; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:57:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.119.1 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:57:02 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [64.81.163.112] In-Reply-To: <201102190236.p1J2a6cp042442@fire.js.berklix.net> References: <201102190236.p1J2a6cp042442@fire.js.berklix.net> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:57:02 -0800 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:57:05 -0000 On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Reality: > =A0XP purchased with a Toshiba laptop runs native, but fails on > =A0virtualbox, on the same laptop. =A0I believe XP is crippled to only > =A0run on Toshiba, & vbox presents too clean/generic an environment ;-) Sometimes there can be activation issues with OEM versions of Windows XP. They're usually keyed to the manufacturer's BIOS. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 20:57:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75CC1065694 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:57:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wodfer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651B68FC1C for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:57:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so82105gxk.13 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:57:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=yrIFGnlEJGkCTasEz/c7mImpEQ66uxGdgK/ztFgK0lA=; b=j53ytYO/+ZJHhyZXHrJ3ivuS4+RzQfsXBv5etskhwwI/HBur2tHlsoFDSUxDMeELVM XPhLuB/3nGYFuC2u/SmpScOADWfWCsvNr4mmXLgT4qH7e6aFFY5bm9LJR4NS/4RIqIjU 0L17lMy7BAQerd7ptl89GYlUL0XAeZ0O/QV5M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Uipru9BsEqDsuMKS2WHG/tfqObRDXgQMCradnFPeofaEAsCngTFug5eG39Lq6Tu1e5 gv56v4GTNP1kk5O00i6b+RFFphWZ9v8olO9ewSMLf+iBMSjwebWxs3GxT4tElHyUJRZR W7eIge17DQlmhYBK3o3I3mhc2zNPpBiyesta4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.25.19 with SMTP id 19mr2992537agy.161.1298147606682; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:33:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.103.13 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:33:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:33:26 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Wodfer To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: How to forward old root mails to an external email address? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:57:48 -0000 Hi all! I'm running FreeBSD 8.0 Release on this particular server and I have a rather large root mailbox under /var/mail/root. I have set up an alias under /etc/aliases for new emails, but I need to forward all the old emails in this mailbox to an external email address. How can I do that? Thanks for your help! Andreas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 21:24:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F79D1065674 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:24:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D648FC1A for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77FBF2845B; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:24:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:24:43 -0500 From: Daniel Staal To: Andy Wodfer , freebsd-questions Message-ID: <1837CB358903EB8C60F348FA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: How to forward old root mails to an external email address? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:24:46 -0000 --As of February 19, 2011 9:33:26 PM +0100, Andy Wodfer is alleged to have said: > 'm running FreeBSD 8.0 Release on this particular server and I have a > rather large root mailbox under /var/mail/root. > > I have set up an alias under /etc/aliases for new emails, but I need to > forward all the old emails in this mailbox to an external email address. > > How can I do that? --As for the rest, it is mine. Easiest way I know of is to set up a procmail rule to forward everything to the external address, then feed the old mailbox to procmail via formail. ===== .procmailrc: :0 ! new@example.com ==== Command line: cat /var/mail/root | formail -s procmail Daniel T. 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This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 21:27:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B41106567A for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:27:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435558FC34 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1JLRhpT075731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:27:43 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p1JLRhpT075731 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1298150863; bh=Vsj/VOH2HdfVyrWK9TQFMzMQXRO22HmqpORAkOwUOPU=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4D6035C8.9040700@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20S at,=2019=20Feb=202011=2021:27:36=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.13)=20Gecko/20101207=20Thunderbird/3.1.7|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20Daniel=20Staal=20|CC:=20freebsd-questions @freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20ZFS-only=20booting=20on=20FreeBSD|Re ferences:=20<97405dd7ad34c6cbecebfdda327d1e83.squirrel@www.magehan dbook.com>=20=09<4D5FB121.6090102@infracaninophile.co.uk>=20=09=20<4D5FD756.50203 06@infracaninophile.co.uk>=20|In-Reply-To:=20|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.1.1|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE90 8C|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0 A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D" ------------enig80074698F3EB99C3CD0A7F75"; b=LIv7z5a7l47l6lxrbEyADksG/LdKuIzPqQpsM9CG+QNlfOxUzWSZM9IsZ0tZHe6P3 j0oyNUQR9oQk0al8/zoqtkghMiOE7xblOBMk/zXA7KDebKoUo62QzdCVB0PbdDViui 6+LUq6a9ElNYWG3ge4ArpEdLZDXTaHXB4CpBP0UM= Message-ID: <4D6035C8.9040700@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:27:36 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Staal References: <97405dd7ad34c6cbecebfdda327d1e83.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <4D5FB121.6090102@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4D5FD756.5020306@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig80074698F3EB99C3CD0A7F75" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.5 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:27:48 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig80074698F3EB99C3CD0A7F75 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 19/02/2011 15:35, Daniel Staal wrote: > I'm still not clear on whether a ZFS-only system will boot with a faile= d > drive in the root ZFS pool. If it's a mirror, raidz or similar pool type with resilience, then yes, it certainly will boot with a failed drive. Been there, done that. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig80074698F3EB99C3CD0A7F75 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1gNc8ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxNKgCdEdTIIPomHHYn4vnVYODAzBVG xfcAoIdTCtntPqMAp4pSDKz3SUmwjpYI =u7tG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig80074698F3EB99C3CD0A7F75-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 21:37:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF63E106566B for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:37:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alfredoj69@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840828FC15 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:37:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb32 with SMTP id 32so676823wyb.13 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:37:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=w537gTLe0ManttPE0fjLSmsgCYUGhbZFdJ3aXmBuRXU=; b=SzsOmrGVrKFrjAfv60xYYL6EadF4GCGkKDVyhZDdoYKGidjN0rmaPBYR6qHQH28+Rh aWfB11wwL0y8YagQUN9mUmnqThtCx75WJi56TDiSoeKdZ/wFDOxgYWKPkL1O6rpqmZ+m R6jkWP5dZbQKKwTw/CNbqBm3xMmaopDA3Xcwk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=QPtkpPiFROUImchIjmwhYLUxJu1EGrCr4mD++iWc6wHe21hnZ0sJFe5YuGer3j5zjP C3FbqIPek3ID25TOZ3Hcuq+WvLMQcb+B9gtjmZUBcXZePpBs3ujHnRDelKD2ON0/CbJv AV2Yw5A/yAv2jcAcjQjGTYhWTddLgsOU6srAc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.145.154 with SMTP id p26mr742242wej.11.1298151434523; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:37:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.45.15 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:37:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201102181113.19678.mrkvrg@acm.org> <20110218164632.GE2049@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:37:14 -0500 Message-ID: From: Alfredo Perez To: Xn Nooby Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD Magazine PDFs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:37:17 -0000 I am missing them all, can you upload them somewhere? Thanks in advance On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Xn Nooby wrote: > Thanks for the replies, good to know I'm not missing any issues. > > > On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Charlie Kester > wrote: > > On Fri 18 Feb 2011 at 08:13:19 PST MFV wrote: > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> I've been downloading BSD Mag since it first came out and your list is > >> identical to mine. > > > > Same here. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 21:40:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D76191065673 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:40:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wodfer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f44.google.com (mail-gw0-f44.google.com [74.125.83.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8126A8FC1A for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb20 with SMTP id 20so2452193gwb.17 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:39:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Drh6pyPzq83oKnjqeBb4Jw/52yB0sK2JA8R/9BiGeTc=; b=YoPQZ/t6HXA0zrNqdiuID1FVcUtHX353hLueOoY3Xj3DdjxLHU65lrjyWUa7kq732r NRIWSsHL1ck+AQ+GBpZWLgBoS+uI6RVf2T52j/YFDJ7vQfvWPw0vAH/jAH98VP/0Iv4g EWuLvMtacpxQumlHcc95Nk43zLQtj7kDHD+20= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=rzrL1pi58a7z0RIfjgQzoe15HpsiVhRYycyA0aX8Y0H+UP4fbRb0nd/38iJedZ9frZ khPbWsPAIR/aC+PSTjXqIQVSTix+jqCWha2JNmFtO6YmnlhkuMYsWVVG95Ei4IRM7OVB RpfGVbRFjrCT78xOJtNCkyxXS6TOdom6BtnAY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.89.14 with SMTP id m14mr3052658agb.134.1298151599464; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:39:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.103.13 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:39:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1837CB358903EB8C60F348FA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> References: <1837CB358903EB8C60F348FA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:39:59 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Wodfer To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: How to forward old root mails to an external email address? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:40:00 -0000 On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Daniel Staal wrote: > --As of February 19, 2011 9:33:26 PM +0100, Andy Wodfer is alleged to have > said: > > 'm running FreeBSD 8.0 Release on this particular server and I have a >> rather large root mailbox under /var/mail/root. >> >> I have set up an alias under /etc/aliases for new emails, but I need to >> forward all the old emails in this mailbox to an external email address. >> >> How can I do that? >> > > --As for the rest, it is mine. > > Easiest way I know of is to set up a procmail rule to forward everything to > the external address, then feed the old mailbox to procmail via formail. > > ===== .procmailrc: > :0 > ! new@example.com > > ==== Command line: > cat /var/mail/root | formail -s procmail > Hi Daniel and thanks for your reply! I already tried something similare, but I keep getting command not found for formail. I was hoping there was a way of doing this without installing additional software - just use what comes with a default FreeBSD installation. Cheers, Andreas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 21:50:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A5C106566C for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:50:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike.jeays@rogers.com) Received: from smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 35CBA8FC15 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 50915 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2011 21:50:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OKyhGxeswF47OzUK7rAWf9gn3YdQVqZjjj25uy4BYLbQOMEVwynB4liV/YC8xpqLBMxl5H/5ISypqBa621t7GNM6LiqRFebigBlmR6SmR+YgnO0J+WkWAXumCnvlH2njKrFE4Iplc7/jhSsBPRlzQH6IVoa33kKqsVFqR5UchYE= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1298152226; bh=bwLU6sxaag8dT2nG9gPhvTcKCFJrQjgWqf25FrTaqLk=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=12eEPk7EBdXOrRbGqE6RmOM+2+X24xDb1xvJu7PPOvtJF/CiAqk8Zx/xP7FMm4F++NDiA6Isfso3V2Eq+Ko/cMetzaAMp15musQQkkJ8fTK6MxmvhRl3Q6h2oNe3o+pHMkEewJb4zRyOJIdMllLWmn43+4Fp1llat0y9CIig13w= Received: from napoleon (mike.jeays@99.224.61.141 with login) by smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2011 13:50:23 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: N82WFx6swBBjwcHWPFR2CGt6udzA8RPrA.xm0enFFXaK2g-- X-YMail-OSG: r0.WtQMVM1n8cSXSvvAp57WxvHsrkvB7ZcwWIHRGXINWVuj BAdL0RinfD2jtNuWqap3g34O8FlLVMCIpeiL1i9wGU3qURcn8GY1V1D_uGZD N0CAagMWgefbG6.e8VoZF7ehc2LsnWEYqrYME5IqyEdSoh6v7jY9Qi1fc_cR r87B8biaeflrKXQLuWbzt.yhJqjGVj4RQO0UZZSefhmh4HdEf4x467g1n7HG RmEM2LakgEKyZBgPIQD7F9DTnb1yy4g9rXV9joUIWWn1xjG4EoIUpm0w6QDR .L.SqAA78GL5_4Vdd X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:50:22 -0500 From: Mike Jeays To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110219165022.180026b5@napoleon> In-Reply-To: References: <201102181113.19678.mrkvrg@acm.org> <20110218164632.GE2049@comcast.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.4 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: BSD Magazine PDFs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:50:27 -0000 On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:37:14 -0500 Alfredo Perez wrote: > I am missing them all, can you upload them somewhere? > > Thanks in advance > > On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Xn Nooby wrote: > > > Thanks for the replies, good to know I'm not missing any issues. > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Charlie Kester > > wrote: > > > On Fri 18 Feb 2011 at 08:13:19 PST MFV wrote: > > >> > > >> Hello, > > >> > > >> I've been downloading BSD Mag since it first came out and your list is > > >> identical to mine. > > > > > > Same here. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" They are all online at bsdmag.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 21:52:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F0C106564A for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:52:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05628FC15 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:52:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAFE02845B; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:52:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:52:43 -0500 From: Daniel Staal To: Robert Bonomi , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <201102192012.p1JKCKnP038248@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <201102192012.p1JKCKnP038248@mail.r-bonomi.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:52:45 -0000 --As of February 19, 2011 2:12:20 PM -0600, Robert Bonomi is alleged to have said: > A non-ZFS boot drive results in immediate, _guaranteed_, down-time for > replacement if/when it fails. > > A ZFS boot drive lets you replace the drive and *schedule* the down-time > (for a 'test' re-boot, to make *sure* everything works) at a convenient > time. --As for the rest, it is mine. No it doesn't. It only extends the next scheduled downtime until you deal with it. ;) (Or, in a hot-swap environment with sufficient monitoring, means you need to deal with it before the next scheduled downtime.) Or, from what it sounds like, you could have a redundant/backup boot disk. I'm planning on using a $5 USB drive as my boot disk. Triple redundancy would cost $15. I paid more for lunch today. (Hmm. I'll have to test to see if that setup works, although given the rest of this discussion I don't see why it shouldn't...) I see the advantage, and that it offers higher levels of resiliency and if properly handled should cause no problems. I just hate relying on humans to remember things and follow directions. That's what computers are for. Repairing a failed disk in a ZFS boot pool requires a human to remember to look for directions in an unusual place, and then follow them correctly. If they don't, nothing happens immediately, but there is the possibility of failure at some later unspecified time. (Meanwhile if they look for directions in the *usual* place, they get a simple and straightforward set of instructions that will appear to work.) *If* that failure occurs, that downtime will be longer than the downtime you would save from a dozen boxes being handled using the correct ZFS procedure, as everyone tears their hair out going 'Why doesn't it work?!? It worked just fine a moment ago!' until someone remembers this quirk. I don't like quirky computers. That's why I'm not a Windows admin. ;) Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 22:00:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB53A106564A for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:00:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DDE98FC15 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:00:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyg7 with SMTP id 7so94579eyg.13 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:00:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.11.147 with SMTP id 19mr2546762eex.14.1298152810130; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.119.1 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:00:10 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [64.81.163.112] In-Reply-To: References: <201102192012.p1JKCKnP038248@mail.r-bonomi.com> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:00:10 -0800 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:00:11 -0000 On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Daniel Staal wrote: > I see the advantage, and that it offers higher levels of resiliency and i= f > properly handled should cause no problems. =A0I just hate relying on huma= ns to > remember things and follow directions. =A0That's what computers are for. > Repairing a failed disk in a ZFS boot pool requires a human to remember t= o > look for directions in an unusual place, and then follow them correctly. That's why I generally prefer to boot off hardware RAID 1 in situations where reliability is critical. There are too many fiddly unknown factors in booting off software RAID. Even if you do everything else right, the BIOS may refuse to look beyond the failed drive and boot off the good one. I save the software RAID for data spindles (which I tend to keep separate from the boot/OS spindles, anyway.) 2-port 3ware cards are relatively inexpensive, and well supported by every OS I've used except Solaris. If you're going for RAID 1 you don't need expensive battery-backed cache. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 22:12:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 212F8106564A for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:12:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B538FC12 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:12:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.yuri.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1JM9B5V052432 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:09:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <4D604032.1070206@rawbw.com> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:12:02 -0800 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101211 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Can motorola v195 be supported as network interface? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:12:03 -0000 I have this phone, 'usbconfig -d ugen1.2 dump_device_desc' shows it like this: ugen1.2: at usbus1, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=ON bLength = 0x0012 bDescriptorType = 0x0001 bcdUSB = 0x0110 bDeviceClass = 0x0002 bDeviceSubClass = 0x0000 bDeviceProtocol = 0x0000 bMaxPacketSize0 = 0x0008 idVendor = 0x22b8 idProduct = 0x4902 bcdDevice = 0x0001 iManufacturer = 0x0001 iProduct = 0x0002 iSerialNumber = 0x0000 bNumConfigurations = 0x0002 It doesn't show up as a network interface, only as ugen. What would it take to support it? How hard can it be to make it show up as network interface? MacOS for example sees it as a PPP modem asking for user name/password. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 22:14:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63EB71065675 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:14:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80CA8FC14 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:14:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwf26 with SMTP id 26so4804987wwf.31 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:14:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ejGMnTN6xUFFpU7VnbbqdZ5TSU6Jx/fQzKDeBQvy9/M=; b=KB4gDvxw2vyMHJ/iX0WowmKrIauC1lVCasBGjm5uojhp65y/heIos0vW1Sn1FInCT3 MdHCUgINW0o4YkUif0Ec7QBc2uG8mP8FWqVvsRg3am9h9CKuglIt1TC06EhfAOLRh40b 08wXBjSE/K7BP8qStyKk033zBIKaANaSdyIps= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=KEhEz10zsZiugeMRoBMXRiaO9ngvGcVmqMonbgKMYiqzu9Z034tuA/vemUYc9lax5M Kgg6A8PN8cy8dHAAZtTuL0UfxBpHoPu7W0oufpcM+vh2QohkatXi06p94nfRktoRDUEv jJVowfqMX/4qDuNwYIPMtDvBLZtrcyRvXoCAU= Received: by 10.216.18.204 with SMTP id l54mr1839738wel.99.1298153686776; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:14:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w25sm2806856wbd.23.2011.02.19.14.14.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:14:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:14:42 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110219221442.39aacc81@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1837CB358903EB8C60F348FA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: How to forward old root mails to an external email address? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:14:48 -0000 On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:39:59 +0100 Andy Wodfer wrote: > I already tried something similare, but I keep getting command not > found for formail. I was hoping there was a way of doing this without > installing additional software - just use what comes with a default > FreeBSD installation. formail is installed as part of the procmail package. Check for typos and that PATH is set correctly. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 22:39:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACBBB106567A for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:39:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wodfer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652648FC15 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yie19 with SMTP id 19so2118723yie.13 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:39:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/Nd1pS4smWSHlKR4jZeIrNxVmo0jyq/w9VWBn0ahdp0=; b=MdlqEELxAdxkOHHpqdgoW6lRxl8XJQgZKj1SQ4hLFXt0SjNgGsrJKjZvkNb7B4JUsi 3kPpHgE16vfWbEm8uAwdc/FvZYSZ/j8hyphLEzY9/NvgUseAYiX1Ma/Km7TVfbBPbkDD ATB4ShD3oBT5JOIoTH7uEIpgKmrtC24onzwMI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=EG5P1WaOkDz5RxPvzCGhyd42R2nQjM0sFMt76d/jDeHNrzDHSm0JoM85QplcnFWUM6 9m3bTCPLq1NVe6+XGs+8ViuBFGIi451i7NOD+sgkXevU7MvOW7jZFQfClnpRBo4dVGoM XktgTBx+aII3zmVeohQ2YaM0AvOcgmjTf9Gsw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.100.8 with SMTP id x8mr3116448agb.53.1298155178718; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:39:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.103.13 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:39:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110219221442.39aacc81@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <1837CB358903EB8C60F348FA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20110219221442.39aacc81@gumby.homeunix.com> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:39:38 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Wodfer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: How to forward old root mails to an external email address? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:39:39 -0000 On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 11:14 PM, RW wrote: > On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:39:59 +0100 > Andy Wodfer wrote: > > > I already tried something similare, but I keep getting command not > > found for formail. I was hoping there was a way of doing this without > > installing additional software - just use what comes with a default > > FreeBSD installation. > > formail is installed as part of the procmail package. Check for typos > and that PATH is set correctly. > Cool. Procmail is now installed, but the procmail.rc file, should that be placed under root's home folder ie /root/procmail.rc or another user? I assume root since Daniel's command doesn't specify any users? That would mean I'm logged in as root, run the command, formail sends all mails to procmail which sees the alias in procmail rc and sends the mails out? Correct? Cheers, Andreas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 23:37:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4100106566C for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:37:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi.sergio@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A8F8FC0C for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:37:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-gy0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 4so626336gyh.13 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:37:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references :content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=evl/F+kwPMwv2NQv3KHP1f/rslshYsfayE1hoHGuDgQ=; b=ga25+2T8jdsbDYvQZGNEZfkjmGaNeNawNg5Udskh9xQWfNOG80LBhUgEWxEmICeiFY /CCnqE7OOeROUoLhUeTqPaCDPxQeOywf/9d4+zdHL2Pmfr2CxNs7KddVrH5AKSAJLlTC eY3sSt9d7lV3rmOEl2yZ8+pCka06VvKFx4cfM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; b=UoyTa+XjtCfp3qacyRkRFd0mnHAkgpeSynLK20Vx0fdLlsYHkgf7Y+5qxP3VqfQQyh jaXITvlVdjjml1iqoFzbCVf7Qpk5DFZVnvgXVn0ZIiMWX0A9h/05o1lVEZNacTN5IeUO STl5Qu4aQToGDuRZbUXa/xOhOapHRDTFXBQ4E= Received: by 10.90.254.9 with SMTP id b9mr3108833agi.126.1298158647251; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:37:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.6.230] ([201.21.166.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f10sm4548262anh.25.2011.02.19.15.37.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:37:26 -0800 (PST) From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: Andy Wodfer In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:37:23 -0200 Message-ID: <1298158643.73477.1.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: How to forward old root mails to an external email address? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:37:27 -0000 You can use fetchmail (in the ports) and teapop (in the ports too) setup a config that fetches your email (via pop) and send via smtp to another place in the planet It has been a long time (about 10 years) since I use this... Sergio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 23:37:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB085106566C for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:37:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53918FC1C for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:37:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E42D3E80458; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:37:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:37:38 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110219233736.GA20393@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: Subject: variable line-display pager? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:37:42 -0000 Need help findind a way of using existing unix utilities to diplay chunks of N lines of a text files. Here N <= the number of lines in the file. For instance, say that my xterm/console/"Konsole" is 80x53 lines. My text file is around 200 lines long and I want to use more or less or some GUI pager to display only 15 lines at one time. Tapping the space bar would display another 15 lines and so on until EOF. Is there a way of doing with with flags of the existing /usr/bin/less or is there some other pager that I can build? thanks, gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 23:44:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D750106566C for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:44:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD2A8FC0C for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:44:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9zkQ1g0030ldTLk55zkor6; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:44:48 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9zkm1g00U1f6R9u3QzkmpW; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:44:48 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:44:44 -0800 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:44:44 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110219234444.GA323@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201102181113.19678.mrkvrg@acm.org> <20110218164632.GE2049@comcast.net> <20110219165022.180026b5@napoleon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110219165022.180026b5@napoleon> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.20 X-Composer: Vim 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: BSD Magazine PDFs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:44:48 -0000 On Sat 19 Feb 2011 at 13:50:22 PST Mike Jeays wrote: >On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:37:14 -0500 >Alfredo Perez wrote: > >> I am missing them all, can you upload them somewhere? > >They are all online at bsdmag.org I think they'd like you to subscribe to their newsletter before downloading the electronic version of the magazines. Seems like a small and reasonable price to pay. Also, if we start downloading them from other sources, they won't have an accurate count of the number of copies in circulation -- which impacts their ability to sell the advertisements which are the only thing keeping this excellent resource going. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 19 23:52:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7537D106566C for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:52:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D6A8FC19 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:52:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PqwbP-0008Nl-A4 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:52:40 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:52:40 -0800 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:52:40 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110219235240.GA2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <20110219233736.GA20393@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6TrnltStXW4iwmi0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110219233736.GA20393@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Cc: Subject: Re: variable line-display pager? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:52:45 -0000 --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Gary Kline on Saturday, 19 February 2011: > Need help findind a way of using existing unix utilities to diplay > chunks of N lines of a text files. Here N <=3D the number of lines in > the file. >=20 > For instance, say that my xterm/console/"Konsole" is 80x53 lines. > My text file is around 200 lines long and I want to use more or less > or some GUI pager to display only 15 lines at one time. Tapping the=20 > space bar would display another 15 lines and so on until EOF. Is > there a way of doing with with flags of the existing /usr/bin/less > or is there some other pager that I can build? >=20 > thanks, >=20 > gary >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Un= ix > Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org > The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" The -z option is supposed to do this: less -z15 file.txt But it appears to work only on the second and successive pages. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNYFfIAAoJEIpckszW26+RYCcIAKJcpbJ4TsZonZGGkzHM+B6e C2j13OtcF4dtV4HmDot90WKA0MLx8lp2i/VnLQOyTSUcgH3kXok8TIqEVXCsPbMP /KwZuU+jjBf6kdqxU6uZtGpLtzzFf2OVtO6JetVfvXP2Rh6F81rqTpBr+jAUAElF TBTtkMaBJRQYhbQYWEh59BWOQYsUQJz5cAJfynCaeTAHylwzPcvh8qU036u0YNub KS9Oyn6H2luzkROW4lfwiPcrqx90Zsy6h88Q1TxK27Ms/D+G5+NF5G2Naxkrdsav X7dCQ2i96x6HvJTrq0prVdPKXOmpe4NtFiW76vko/fsabbrUq8W/HOFBCei6c5k= =JtFO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0--