From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 13 00:02:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 984F8106564A for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:02:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DEF48FC16 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so4539421iwn.13 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:02:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=GQwJt3PZF97nrDUOtIfvla6in6qRvnGilo2TSYXYYmI=; b=fDoumhDQxgZYf0c1lPI5dvYFxc9jzBql736k6AZ9pNc26v8MIz7qoRYVJYvxy3Svj1 2/2YWObEUKlDfxQD5qgGF9jQF5oN8BO88WaUEtERpa8nNWMKT+YQguc50VTI0eVa8/pT /2uWKjLHnE9/iAPxDdGsHipQZo018HaM6jvCA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=cubFAz9dHSE62WD2yIls3em7k9YKmkFoSNEyKfnNN3dF9DWlbJqJGH1C1T9/KXqYNo sEWOGTBgqgCbZfiYlVAuzk7vx4wi0LnCPrV+tav+j7v2Mi6irE2se8sKk8CTDhGlbBo9 LY9OfXThWR6SLrX+7gd+v1S/iCK5+x0DdI+wQ= Received: by 10.43.49.69 with SMTP id uz5mr2016305icb.133.1299974529830; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:02:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.wi.rr.com (cpe-184-58-138-79.wi.res.rr.com [184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i2sm4430472icv.3.2011.03.12.16.02.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:02:09 -0800 (PST) From: ajtiM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:02:09 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.2-RELEASE; KDE/4.5.5; i386; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201103121802.10051.lumiwa@gmail.com> Subject: android phone -pc-ineternet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:02:10 -0000 Hi! I have a wire (cable) internet on my home PC with FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE #0. I have also a new HTC Inspire 4G phone which I like to connet to the Internet through my PC. It has an option "Internet Pass-through". I am running also pf firewall. I connecte the phone to the computer (USB port) with option "Internet Pass- through" but it is not easy to me. In my pflog I got: Date Interface Action Rule Direction Protocol Src. address Src. port Dest. address Dest. port 2011-03-12 17:25:35.356233 sk0 drop 9 in udp 192.168.0.107 137 192.168.0.255 137 2011-03-12 17:25:38.121827 sk0 drop 9 in udp 192.168.0.107 138 192.168.0.255 138 Thanks in advance... Mitja -------- http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 13 00:05:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1233) id EA6831065673; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:05:23 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:05:23 +0000 From: Alexander Best To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110313000523.GA65691@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Subject: post-installation of CDDL files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:05:24 -0000 hi there, my current world does not include any CDDL files, because i had WITHOUT_CDDL in my src.conf. now i'd like to build world with CDDL files (in order to use dtrace). what are the necessary steps for doing so? i've removed the WITHOUT_CDDL part from my src.conf, but targets buildworld and toolchain both fail: make: don't know how to make /usr/lib/libctf.a. Stop cheers. alex -- a13x From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 13 00:25:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8646B106564A for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:25:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E6A78FC14 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:25:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxc34 with SMTP id 34so4022757vxc.13 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:25:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=predatorlabs.net; s=google; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=RYrGpTAefZOXhx85fJEEAC9/6tz1IIY+XhkNftft3PM=; b=GLc7nJfNe8USkoD11qaxio+AgcsjhYXKX9gDgs2zSkIzgGtJ01ZVQyRgJKlvJ1fHFh GPNhtWZcDYrcrY7NPz8OCi0jVEqsYGifJx9MiGQ34RkLHw3ded8CIfzUinl/4CB9gHPY rsvq2QLw+PsEU8kG60/rzj6n7zf40VuyPGlL4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=predatorlabs.net; s=google; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=RGlF53tVExb+79dj+xHHRi++PSZ2XGNPxDzddv8hbG0Qs4Elk7bNOG1CSFV/1cMudd 5ehwPVs+xXEuafVXBq/0JpQwcOZlsec0yxNuezEPZqrYz9QCsKAaOPBqkNB+qEDEm+YK Rv8qB69L50cLjihsEYdpPj0BbHFZ4DcFJHbWI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.91.166 with SMTP id cf6mr8039194vdb.192.1299975934460; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:25:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.192.140 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:25:34 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.76] In-Reply-To: <20110313000523.GA65691@freebsd.org> References: <20110313000523.GA65691@freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:25:34 -0800 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: Alexander Best Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: post-installation of CDDL files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:25:35 -0000 On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Alexander Best wrote: > hi there, > > my current world does not include any CDDL files, because i had WITHOUT_CDDL > in my src.conf. > > now i'd like to build world with CDDL files (in order to use dtrace). what are > the necessary steps for doing so? > > i've removed the WITHOUT_CDDL part from my src.conf, but targets buildworld and > toolchain both fail: > > make: don't know how to make /usr/lib/libctf.a. Stop > > cheers. > alex > > -- > a13x > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Install it manually. Go to src/cddl/lib/libctf and make obj make depends make make install Then buildworld will work. -- Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 13 01:25:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A301A1065670 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 01:25:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778B18FC15 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 01:25:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p2D1P4di018711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:25:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p2D1P4g6018708; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:25:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA03804; Sat, 12 Mar 11 17:17:22 PST Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:17:21 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: johnl@iecc.com Message-Id: <4d7c1b21.XSmUAJIfbvZ+nhis%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20110312172959.65728.qmail@joyce.lan> In-Reply-To: <20110312172959.65728.qmail@joyce.lan> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, traveling08@cox.net Subject: Re: Unable to umount X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 01:25:07 -0000 John Levine wrote: > >> [robert@dell64] ~> umount Flash > >> umount: unmount of /home/robert/Flash failed: Device busy > > ... The problem is likely that HAL or one of its friends helpfully > has the device open just in case you might want to ask questions > about it. I that case, shouldn't lsof(8) have reported something? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 13 01:55:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DDC7106564A for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 01:55:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B27A8FC14 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 01:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2D1svW7061658; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:54:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p2D1svAn061655; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:54:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:54:57 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Robert In-Reply-To: <20110312093423.2b8f9eba@dell64> Message-ID: References: <20110312090634.3c1ce3ed@dell64> <20110312172959.65728.qmail@joyce.lan> <20110312093423.2b8f9eba@dell64> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:54:57 -0700 (MST) Cc: John Levine , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unable to umount X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 01:55:00 -0000 On Sat, 12 Mar 2011, Robert wrote: > On 12 Mar 2011 17:29:59 -0000 > John Levine wrote: > >>>> [robert@dell64] ~> umount Flash >>>> umount: unmount of /home/robert/Flash failed: Device busy >> >> Try umount -f >> >> The problem is likely that HAL or one of its friends helpfully has the >> device open just in case you might want to ask questions about it. > > That works! > I did not have to do that before the recent updates to XFCE4 and Xorg > but as long as I can umount, I'm happy. Saw the same thing here, also with xfce. lsof reports nothing open on either the mountpoint or the device. fstat blames gam_server: % fstat /home/wblock/Desktop/removable-storage/ USER CMD PID FD MOUNT INUM MODE SZ|DV R/W NAME wblock gam_server 1409 776 /usr/home/wblock/Desktop/removable-storage 244864 drwx------ 4096 r /home/wblock/Desktop/removable-storage/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 13 02:04:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F101065672 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 02:04:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=0046476b60=johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [64.57.183.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2D58FC13 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 02:04:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 36957 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2011 01:37:48 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=905c.4d7c1fec.k1103; i=johnl@submit.iecc.com; bh=7zmJIbkvGR0UU4hNvl6sgbW+wDDhhA6s46nOZdpg4HE=; b=KDZJiK1uSo0j8NhLnhSEuvEgn+/U/Awvevl1gteArhvdg0JnLoEmRoBfOjpm6YwCGZSvExUJ7g/42BxBN7aF6oxcUEAr/5N4telXWRrlyv4CjZeGOMameAEnK8/m+hkaEwxisc37h2d8/weYShbrQ6KSkPUcBVA1VogdafNVd3o= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd johnl@64.57.183.62) with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 13 Mar 2011 01:37:26 -0000 Date: 12 Mar 2011 20:37:48 -0500 Message-ID: From: "John R. Levine" To: perryh@pluto.rain.com In-Reply-To: <4d7c1b21.XSmUAJIfbvZ+nhis%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20110312172959.65728.qmail@joyce.lan> <4d7c1b21.XSmUAJIfbvZ+nhis%perryh@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, traveling08@cox.net Subject: Re: Unable to umount X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 02:04:32 -0000 >> >> ... The problem is likely that HAL or one of its friends helpfully >> has the device open just in case you might want to ask questions >> about it. > > I that case, shouldn't lsof(8) have reported something? Yes. It always did for me. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 13 02:32:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60EB5106564A for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 02:32:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94B48FC0C for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 02:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so2409177fxm.13 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:32:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5JiBaKHtjzaJDtlcIjexTVJc2x40mUn8sZN26Dto0ao=; b=gNwi7FfwTDJCUeyEeRa4Se6IkBEr09HlxKs/6xgD/6Spl1mJ+oLFvA9zUfh9vdo8N0 NB4IQnCtQUhuPH8+cp0ol678NM9VmXx1GT3HEQk0KRdxF5QM2TqTrMvL9Ou/B6wl8LEH n5UBWGtmeL2Gga8XlBF3il8ndz0H5LxVfVx50= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QvC+rJz1B3Pl26QbqYF8B8AoxMrrZOcrdlQHD/q/JD7y21iEUjHcJRUBuMk9xwHx2c eBd7ZrWbjBleYnLxk7Z5nEnkA/Uc80wv4Q0vbSLw2CILUuYiJjtDOL+esT1hjH8WkEie oZd82pzMtKHJvKnfWx35u8q3nIXd6AFJtfITo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.64.201 with SMTP id f9mr1715561fai.102.1299983572061; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:32:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.74.133 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:32:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110312232449.GA91695@guilt.hydra> References: <20110312232449.GA91695@guilt.hydra> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 20:32:52 -0600 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Chad Perrin Subject: Re: Character shortcuts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 02:32:53 -0000 Chad & all, On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 02:07:59PM -0600, Antonio Olivares wrote: >> Dear FreeBSD experts, >> >> There has been something that I find hard to do, I would like to find >> a CTRL + KEY combination, or ALT + KEY combination to input special >> characters like (=F1) =A0[ALT + 164 or ALT + 0241 in Mr. Gates OS]. >> >> http://www.forlang.wsu.edu/help/keyboards.asp >> >> accents other symbols like copyright, euro, etc. =A0I would like to do >> the same(have a special key combination) to get the characters in >> FreeBSD too, but googling have not found something that works. =A0I even >> tried to run a litte program in the shell to generate the characters >> to use for cutting + pasting to no avial. > > I wrote this about setting up a Compose key a while back: > > =A0 =A0entering special characters in Xorg > =A0 =A0http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=3D814 This looks like a good way of inputting the characters. I will give it a try and report back after Spring Break :) Thank you all for your input. All of your comments are well taken and appreciated. Regards, Antonio > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 13 02:38:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7025B1065673 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 02:38:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087B28FC18 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 02:38:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so2410996fxm.13 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:38:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=1FhlXJdQJzKtJlWX1x/Kutt38b5K4h7IUVfHeGoZYr0=; b=KMx92b925z+CxWQ5NYSa7Wsa2yr7ESh+NoVwj8JABt8wUvvXJ9V9UCD3Hxz4D//OTh 5VDebauFYS3pXJVW4KHmceCmoE2GL8C/CpbaTnYTADLR2eNhE1B5+153pT7wwOUnroIX X9SaItoNGWfXGKj2I2ShZDCuEGbV6PTQ4u4RI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=W0rroAUqOp7ldX2G70R6ju1y+EtkdtGwB54q+ZTpPXdtHVusxbkiwQCKQ+85qabaRL +09ohU6/OccuK9PN60zEknWAmDyoAvsICShrcjt5AllzBxe1He/GKDxRg4r5WaTC6Xb/ 1Uf9POwXGkc9rRWLPlu58+E3oVpARprqvaRD4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.145.143 with SMTP id d15mr6172834fav.45.1299983931023; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:38:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.74.133 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:38:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 20:38:51 -0600 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: Manolis Kiagias Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Custom 64bit FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASEs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 02:38:52 -0000 Dear Manolis, Sorry to ask but are there any releases for 8.2 in the works? http://freebsd-custom.wikidot.com/ I have checked here: http://freebsd-custom.wikidot.com/downloads-page but it stil points to 8.1 release. I have an 8.1 version running beautifully thanks to you and all the members of FreeBSD community who guided me in getting it up and running. A friend of mine will build me a tricore machine and want to install FreeBSD with XFCE on it. I have 8.2 amd64 DVD1 already, but your custom version has OpenOffice and many things that make our work less of a hassle. Thank you for your work and forgive me if a release is coming soon :) Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 13 04:36:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E06106564A for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 04:36:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906578FC15 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 04:36:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p2D4abpQ034874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 12 Mar 2011 20:36:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p2D4abXc034873; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 20:36:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA04422; Sat, 12 Mar 11 20:24:17 PST Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 20:24:15 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: wblock@wonkity.com Message-Id: <4d7c46ef.Ns5mQmbD+yk5zu0R%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20110312090634.3c1ce3ed@dell64> <20110312172959.65728.qmail@joyce.lan> <20110312093423.2b8f9eba@dell64> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: johnl@iecc.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, traveling08@cox.net Subject: Re: Unable to umount X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 04:36:42 -0000 Warren Block wrote: > lsof reports nothing open on either the mountpoint or the device. > > fstat blames gam_server: > > % fstat /home/wblock/Desktop/removable-storage/ > USER CMD PID FD MOUNT INUM MODE SZ|DV R/W NAME > wblock gam_server 1409 776 /usr/home/wblock/Desktop/removable-storage 244864 drwx------ 4096 r /home/wblock/Desktop/removable-storage/ Does this show a bug in lsof(8), or an intentional difference between it and fstat? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 13 11:49:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405C8106566B for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:49:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D538FC13 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:49:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so4847474iwn.13 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 04:49:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=JoAZYmewi14WdT6IDjW4Bmqa95jYBZZpPlC3Zunjows=; b=Ae+JuTb8RNnTcU6lMF74VyCh8qusHUWyHCs5RdQMTLpBs2oJePdmaIal6THWWVszoI XOwqNxjCggQq16P1sOBLws1dXnoHfkR1QKQ0B0knetST60JN8QbZsRJVb1rcPbImbzl4 9mqcqud3xeK1JTcZ3xWpizniScn1h+TpFSW2Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=nG18JtJb9C6iX6AIE5KMD3AC02q8nJRG+Oz2Vq9MMCBTVXk9WeWRBylf6nLvqrinJd SQG8h4pb6CDxfYsbuO+IIdaWk7Q/eMpsXZTj/ArLqgKjU+B9DCoehI14CSLeEyxAtezd 3VclNj/j/0J4U6PG5PCUbQJ2AvfVj40hssem8= Received: by 10.42.141.195 with SMTP id p3mr12827748icu.409.1300016967488; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 04:49:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from athena.wi.rr.com (cpe-184-58-138-79.wi.res.rr.com [184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm5547963iba.16.2011.03.13.04.49.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 13 Mar 2011 04:49:27 -0700 (PDT) From: ajtiM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 06:49:28 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.2-RELEASE; KDE/4.5.5; i386; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201103130649.28991.lumiwa@gmail.com> Subject: spam? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:49:29 -0000 In the last week I got four emails like this one today: From: bruce@cran.org.uk
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CC: freebsd@edvax.de, lumiwa@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Your email was unable reach the intended person that you were sending it to. For more information on our business please click on the following link: "http://www.xpbargains.net">Click here for our We look forward to your continued business in the future. Regards Webmaster Thanks. Mitja -------- http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 13 11:57:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ACDD1065673 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:57:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 904898FC14 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:57:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6D3E84C0; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:57:30 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cran.org.uk; h=subject :from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; s=mail; bh=VIHazWGP2aOm 7d8SAuAZ1LULfyo=; b=te48cSpdKRoD2RZ3dqhr7c05uk/GTkNSmtUNwWaDmTdq bE40usYEboCUf1JzDSc6SCDuoI5ryUpALWktUveJwW3jEiMEcxfVbc/2jGCnjACA jfkoOes/35NjhRQyaw+G0HvkFA+aDL/Zd3AHc334GyLjaTNYHxpP/0CvAprNH+U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cran.org.uk; h=subject:from :to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=mail; b=gs1bNk vEIAo9osqJmC8WEm9mDbqB0x2eVHeFvMuSs0PltQZho5jzeU2fBNySVDIFyvwwxl WWMorOBybBITe39dbzj/PP/LKEjZT4znp+yelZxoTEloBTBsL9J5ETcJre6iwSB9 5jsM9f2KraMBRCAC/00SCzX+UvA0y0RhNQOdE= Received: from [192.168.0.24] (client-86-31-236-253.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com [86.31.236.253]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EB884E84BF; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:57:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Bruce Cran To: ajtiM In-Reply-To: <201103130649.28991.lumiwa@gmail.com> References: <201103130649.28991.lumiwa@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:57:03 +0000 Message-ID: <1300017423.2979.10.camel@core.nessbank> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: spam? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:57:32 -0000 On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 06:49 -0500, ajtiM wrote: > In the last week I got four emails like this one today: > > From: bruce@cran.org.uk
> To: perryh@pluto.rain.com
> CC: freebsd@edvax.de, href="mailto:lumiwa@gmail.com">lumiwa@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org That's not from me - it's from a company called ParkLogic who are forging emails. See http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/questions/2010-12/msg00591.html for more details. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 13 13:43:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1233) id BB30E1065673; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:43:55 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:43:55 +0000 From: Alexander Best To: Rob Farmer Message-ID: <20110313134355.GA78254@freebsd.org> References: <20110313000523.GA65691@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: post-installation of CDDL files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:43:55 -0000 On Sat Mar 12 11, Rob Farmer wrote: > On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Alexander Best wrote: > > hi there, > > > > my current world does not include any CDDL files, because i had WITHOUT_CDDL > > in my src.conf. > > > > now i'd like to build world with CDDL files (in order to use dtrace). what are > > the necessary steps for doing so? > > > > i've removed the WITHOUT_CDDL part from my src.conf, but targets buildworld and > > toolchain both fail: > > > > make: don't know how to make /usr/lib/libctf.a. Stop > > > > cheers. > > alex > > > > -- > > a13x > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > Install it manually. Go to src/cddl/lib/libctf and > make obj > make depends > make > make install > > Then buildworld will work. thanks a lot. that worked. :) > > -- > Rob Farmer -- a13x From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 13 15:54:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23BBF106566B for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 15:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amoran@forsythia.net) Received: from meriadoc.forsythia.net (celebrian.forsythia.net [173.13.138.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2EB38FC15 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 15:54:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.200.0.199] (cerberus.forsythia.net [173.13.138.197]) by meriadoc.forsythia.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2DFbE4m096128 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 08:37:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from amoran@forsythia.net) From: Andrew Moran Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 08:40:54 -0700 Message-Id: <21D3DE2D-2C1E-4C7B-860E-C637C746150A@forsythia.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Subject: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 15:54:45 -0000 Hallo, I switched my system over to using a ZFS on root setup in 8.1. I = want to upgrade it to 8.2. =20 Is there any changes to the = buildworld/buildkernel/installworld/installkernel/mergemaster routine? = =20 The only thing I found via google was this: = http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?23,178896,179074 And he does a = "mount -u ./" and a "zfs mount -a" but it's not clear to me why he's = doing that. --Andy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 13 16:09:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE96E1065740 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 16:09:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sergiy.suprun@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7234F8FC20 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 16:09:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxc34 with SMTP id 34so4292634vxc.13 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:09:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=L+L+2Bg5sszy9BmphKsj7EzSMn4tE+fKijlqCLkxZ18=; b=oBsNBJ7+46k+qoaP7E+GlsdPTPaeKVccNnb1IhkAobqA2i6Q4k672hyift35m0jhDs Ln5+l7yfYFPe5F437oTEXAkUcuP4yeAntjnFb2u4ciHxoZlscnAyeV5QwGTUb07EFIjS 3XIkH12sdd7Mro4vEb8dFuOHGVKcYb5a/zfA4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xjjyP6uZiQq2DQxMmvt5MWr4m7plyLNkKZUucwPUdTfDGea33BaZvABHO2pTJRRD42 0IeDWmJecdtC8uer4nZmw9htdIvE8muoSIYYIWOxHj0tDhczaCnnyTttjW8FdjG4NVKP Rv/maHfccNfYCHe6z+QVNJfYaZq0Uowc6z5ac= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.0.194 with SMTP id 2mr3809669vdg.168.1300032563578; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.114.75 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:09:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <21D3DE2D-2C1E-4C7B-860E-C637C746150A@forsythia.net> References: <21D3DE2D-2C1E-4C7B-860E-C637C746150A@forsythia.net> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 18:09:23 +0200 Message-ID: From: Sergiy Suprun To: Andrew Moran Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 16:09:24 -0000 On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 17:40, Andrew Moran wrote: > > Hallo, > > I switched my system over to using a ZFS on root setup in 8.1. =A0 =A0 I = want to upgrade it to 8.2. > > Is there any changes to the buildworld/buildkernel/installworld/installke= rnel/mergemaster routine? > > The only thing I found via google was this: =A0http://forum.nginx.org/rea= d.php?23,178896,179074 =A0 =A0 And he does a "mount -u ./" and a "zfs mount= -a" but it's not clear to me why he's doing that. > > --Andy > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > Hello Andy Usually I use zfs mount -a to mount all and zfs set readonly=3Doff zpool/system to take filesystem writable From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 13 17:14:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DB0106564A for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:14:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from mail.mroute.net (lax-gw08.mailroute.net [199.89.0.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B6D8FC0C for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:14:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lax-gw08.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89556299B9E; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 16:57:25 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by lax-gw08.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD27929995B; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 16:57:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A23AF255C; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:57:23 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: Andrew Moran References: <21D3DE2D-2C1E-4C7B-860E-C637C746150A@forsythia.net> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.18.3.11; tzolkin = 5 Chuen; haab = 4 Cumku Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:57:22 -0700 In-Reply-To: <21D3DE2D-2C1E-4C7B-860E-C637C746150A@forsythia.net> (Andrew Moran's message of "Sun, 13 Mar 2011 08:40:54 -0700") Message-ID: <86lj0j9cwd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:14:10 -0000 >>>>> "Andrew" == Andrew Moran writes: Andrew> I switched my system over to using a ZFS on root setup in 8.1. Andrew> I want to upgrade it to 8.2. Andrew> Is there any changes to the Andrew> buildworld/buildkernel/installworld/installkernel/mergemaster Andrew> routine? And for those of us using the binary upgrade, do I need to follow http://forums.freebsd.org/showpost.php?p=94557&postcount=19 still? Or do nothing? Or do something else? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 13 17:29:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23184106564A for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:29:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9ED28FC1A for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:29:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so2706032fxm.13 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:29:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Vl8Ez2abfR0prSgtvkh2e9ng7rwO+NnKYtvcqSFBFqE=; b=r8fDuhU+KWj2yj+fFeWxQUvIvVZ6FWu7BINNYEwYpcWnclD+h9Gi9fjk6NwziYQUlv 1fTa07NeLYO4jUYZX6mWzKj48kDMqVAWhEuZHTstxLsr/2EXabK+JN43wKHHzk3HbXtG xGv6UDP3rRdt5eogPBC/Irz7ljcb3UDee64rY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=lXR7EhOJLhtfkNEz40xFrW6ggnmKXUp6r9Y4Pe1M6sMQoETlBtviLluSZnmvSyZu45 CgDtRCQkVLUNXlOIdcWwHreJc4moPCgsf+4x4rfRZaKkcLOjUJjuZj28zgaDcs0FyGYZ N0UHS7dLEUYVYdacvqwW/QJMrGrgRxfeNm+FQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.83.130 with SMTP id f2mr3738727fal.80.1300037361079; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.59.7 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:29:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86lj0j9cwd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <21D3DE2D-2C1E-4C7B-860E-C637C746150A@forsythia.net> <86lj0j9cwd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 12:29:21 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: "Randal L. Schwartz" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Andrew Moran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:29:56 -0000 On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>> "Andrew" == Andrew Moran writes: > > Andrew> I switched my system over to using a ZFS on root setup in 8.1. > Andrew> I want to upgrade it to 8.2. > > Andrew> Is there any changes to the > Andrew> buildworld/buildkernel/installworld/installkernel/mergemaster > Andrew> routine? > > And for those of us using the binary upgrade, do I need to follow > > http://forums.freebsd.org/showpost.php?p=94557&postcount=19 > > still? Or do nothing? Or do something else? > Well those are his modified upgrade instructions, they seem relatively sound but the extra steps aren't required. The gpart stuff is to update the boot loader which is only necessary if you upgrade the file system or pool eg zfs/zpool upgrade. You should probably run this just to prevent potential severe pain later. And as it's said, the nextboot is there because he's running a custom kernel and wants to boot into GENERIC next time then later rebuilds his custom kernel. The short story is if you are running GENERIC anyway, a standard binary upgrade would work fine, but if you have taken a divergent path you'll have to account for those differences in your upgrade process. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 13 17:37:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3A1106564A for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:37:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from mail.mroute.net (lax-gw02.mailroute.net [199.89.0.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9188FC0C for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:37:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lax-gw02.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B732D1DEDCD; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:37:30 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by lax-gw02.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E732A1DEDA4; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:37:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E0DFA3CEA; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:37:29 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: Adam Vande More References: <21D3DE2D-2C1E-4C7B-860E-C637C746150A@forsythia.net> <86lj0j9cwd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.18.3.11; tzolkin = 5 Chuen; haab = 4 Cumku Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:37:29 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Adam Vande More's message of "Sun, 13 Mar 2011 12:29:21 -0500") Message-ID: <86hbb6aply.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Andrew Moran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:37:31 -0000 >>>>> "Adam" == Adam Vande More writes: Adam> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Randal L. Schwartz Adam> wrote: >> http://forums.freebsd.org/showpost.php?p=94557&postcount=19 Adam> Well those are his modified upgrade instructions, they seem Adam> relatively sound but the extra steps aren't required. The gpart Adam> stuff is to update the boot loader which is only necessary if you Adam> upgrade the file system or pool eg zfs/zpool upgrade. You should Adam> probably run this just to prevent potential severe pain later. No, this was *absolutely* necessary for the 8.1 upgrade, because the binary-installed boot loader was still ZFS ignorant. I'm just asking if it's *still* necessary for 8.2. Does the 8.2 boot loader now know about ZFS if I install it from freebsd-update? Keep in mind, I'm booting straight from ZFS. There are no UFS partitions on my disk. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 13 18:20:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE1E1065689 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 18:20:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from boyvalue@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f172.google.com (mail-px0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871778FC17 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 18:20:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi6 with SMTP id 6so3079888pxi.17 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:20:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3uEOdF0Xr7nXyJ3FEVRvs33CXv4h7rqzAvF9I69kq6c=; b=M85P/1fg+fD1ILEdDTOQHjq1M5h7ihHN9XZSiwJbmuK+cVjmcQuKIkAnSgIKTxdfzC b8zs7jZYWVACC2jA9muGWK1XFo40fm3+vdCb3NO0XVRjLxuCJsgggHa948j+sA9fehfX fdtL8/waYFlkE3dL06TWUywOx5JaAsJDzGq2s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Va/zyyDQJvmBvYAAtBW1wbBHG2YoqsB704bih4a/NWsPOHx08kY/iJYoCoSw7+vrpz 1rQxMOSAAzg31dO6BZBo/sWm8tbuWT++9u7Zp0dgjAMZVIke9Plbsg+11RA+LtjzzzJq xJW/mEgv9Ncp11cumA7TfsFOJ88HLxC51uJTs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.171.17 with SMTP id t17mr3099324wfe.209.1300040400597; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.68.18 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:20:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86hbb6aply.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <21D3DE2D-2C1E-4C7B-860E-C637C746150A@forsythia.net> <86lj0j9cwd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86hbb6aply.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 14:20:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: Scott Ballantyne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 18:20:01 -0000 On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>> "Adam" == Adam Vande More writes: > > Adam> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Randal L. Schwartz > Adam> wrote: > > >> http://forums.freebsd.org/showpost.php?p=94557&postcount=19 > > Adam> Well those are his modified upgrade instructions, they seem > Adam> relatively sound but the extra steps aren't required. The gpart > Adam> stuff is to update the boot loader which is only necessary if you > Adam> upgrade the file system or pool eg zfs/zpool upgrade. You should > Adam> probably run this just to prevent potential severe pain later. > > No, this was *absolutely* necessary for the 8.1 upgrade, because the > binary-installed boot loader was still ZFS ignorant. > > I'm just asking if it's *still* necessary for 8.2. Does the 8.2 boot > loader now know about ZFS if I install it from freebsd-update? > > Keep in mind, I'm booting straight from ZFS. There are no UFS > partitions on my disk. > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 > 0095 > > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > You need the new bootloader if you upgrade the zpool and zfs filesystems. You'll get a message to that effect if you do that. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 13 19:19:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F278106566C for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:19:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [81.255.84.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB458FC1B for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:18:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VirusGate.MEIway.com (virusgate.meiway.com [81.255.84.76]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 8186147184C for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:19:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [81.255.84.73]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 031843865B4 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:19:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from W500.Go2France.com [69.4.62.57] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.07) id A8B321D801A0; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:19:15 +0100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 14:18:49 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad In-Reply-To: References: <201103112331.AA2596602004@mail.Go2France.com> <201103122240713.SM06140@W500.Go2France.com> <3E21B80B-7386-4B4F-9B50-E87AA8D843DA@boosten.org> <201103122306135.SM06140@W500.Go2France.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <201103132019510.SM06140@W500.Go2France.com> Subject: Re: syslog-ng logging stopped X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:19:00 -0000 >May it be a permission issue (fs or /dev/kmem or the like)? syslog-ng or syslogd as root doesn't enable log writing. > Can you >manually start syslog-ng or syslogd with verbose flags enabled? I edited rc.d/syslog-ng script to add -d of course, nothing is logged, so -d doesn't help. Len >Man, you really stumbled upon something weird! > >On 3/12/11, Len Conrad wrote: >> At 03:52 PM 3/12/2011, you wrote: >>>That probably means that it's not syslog-ng causing the problems. >> >> right >> >>>Maybe some firewall rule? >> >> I run pf. pfctl -d didn't allow logging to start. trafshow and tshark >> showed >> all the traffic hitting port 514, not being blocked. >> >> Len >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > >-- >IƱigo Ortiz de Urbina Cazenave >http://www.twitter.com/ioc32 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 13 20:40:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4786106564A for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:40:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB318FC08 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:40:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2DKe5Zj036292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:40:05 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p2DKe5Zj036292 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1300048805; bh=x8LhFBJhIt8HqNoRYgYleLFMY3lqbUdAwNuU9ZyEBas=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4D7D2B9B.6010308@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20S un,=2013=20Mar=202011=2020:39:55=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.15)=20Gecko/20110303=20Thunderbird/3.1.9|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Upgrading= 20FreeBSd=20when=20using=20a=20zfs-only=20installation?|References :=20<21D3DE2D-2C1E-4C7B-860E-C637C746150A@forsythia.net>=09<86lj0j 9cwd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>=09=20<86hbb6aply.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>| In-Reply-To:=20<86hbb6aply.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>|X-Enigmail-Vers ion:=201.1.1|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Content-Type:=20multipart/si gned=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp -signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig8DA93D91FFE5B1E 64B9A9924"; b=vTTgSSY4yez2TPF3rgeo4o05+3lSRgwibOKkziN75u2g5Ntb/QOW7CxirbVULKCT0 5xmA/vxX+ax6GutePJC3vG82i/lIKn84gxthm8ls1h5vd8Fv5WdHazMzVsu6nFBOPc VWwT46DnvfYQBbS4E2mxGWfJh1mju0TmU6ERmggA= Message-ID: <4D7D2B9B.6010308@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:39:55 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <21D3DE2D-2C1E-4C7B-860E-C637C746150A@forsythia.net> <86lj0j9cwd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86hbb6aply.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> In-Reply-To: <86hbb6aply.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig8DA93D91FFE5B1E64B9A9924" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:40:11 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig8DA93D91FFE5B1E64B9A9924 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 13/03/2011 17:37, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>> "Adam" =3D=3D Adam Vande More writes: >=20 > Adam> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Randal L. Schwartz > Adam> wrote: >=20 >>> http://forums.freebsd.org/showpost.php?p=3D94557&postcount=3D19 >=20 > Adam> Well those are his modified upgrade instructions, they seem > Adam> relatively sound but the extra steps aren't required. The gpart > Adam> stuff is to update the boot loader which is only necessary if you= > Adam> upgrade the file system or pool eg zfs/zpool upgrade. You should= > Adam> probably run this just to prevent potential severe pain later. >=20 > No, this was *absolutely* necessary for the 8.1 upgrade, because the > binary-installed boot loader was still ZFS ignorant. >=20 > I'm just asking if it's *still* necessary for 8.2. Does the 8.2 boot > loader now know about ZFS if I install it from freebsd-update? >=20 > Keep in mind, I'm booting straight from ZFS. There are no UFS > partitions on my disk. A system update via freebsd-update or otherwise won't touch whatever bootblocks you have installed. So if you have already installed gptzfsboot and your system already boots ZFS v12 then it will continue to boot ZFS v12 without your touching anything to do with boot blocks. However, with the 8.1 -> 8.2 upgrade, you get (inter-alia) ZFS v13 support (I think it's v13 -- all my personal kit is running the stable/8 v28 patchset...) plus equivalent zpool version bump. The 8.1 bootblocks don't understand ZFS v13. If you wish to update the on-disk formats of your ZFS stuff: 'zpool upgrade -a' or 'zfs upgrade -a' then you *will* need to reinstall the gptzfsboot boot-blocks. You don't have to update the ZFS formats, but you'll miss out on various performance and bug-fixes if you don't. Given that the gptzfsboot boot blocks are backwards compatible to older ZFS versions, highly recommended to update the boot blocks even if you aren't intending to upgrade the ZFS bits just yet. Just as an anti-foot-shooting measure. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig8DA93D91FFE5B1E64B9A9924 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk19K6UACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxHIACfUh7WsI07z5rkadVulsUyE+9D Ob0AoI8Nf8V9JotvE4C9UbNb2wD2d99A =x3Bw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig8DA93D91FFE5B1E64B9A9924-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 13 22:31:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9995106566C; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 22:31:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from mail.mroute.net (lax-gw03.mailroute.net [199.89.0.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCEF08FC0A; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 22:31:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lax-gw03.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E9C5633D7E; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 22:31:39 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by lax-gw03.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBCE1633D46; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 22:31:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B7F692698; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 15:31:38 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: FreeBSD Questions Cc: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <21D3DE2D-2C1E-4C7B-860E-C637C746150A@forsythia.net> <86lj0j9cwd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86hbb6aply.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <78E237A573166F9C62551A78@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.18.3.11; tzolkin = 5 Chuen; haab = 4 Cumku Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 15:31:38 -0700 In-Reply-To: <78E237A573166F9C62551A78@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> (Daniel Staal's message of "Sun, 13 Mar 2011 14:40:53 -0500") Message-ID: <864o76abzp.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 22:31:40 -0000 >>>>> "Daniel" == Daniel Staal writes: Daniel> Nothing in the release notes appears to mention the bootloader and zfs Daniel> together, so I'd take the safe approach and assume it is still Daniel> necessary. OK, so I'll appeal to the rest of freebsd-questions, since you can't answer with authority: can you upgrade from 8.1 to 8.2 using freebsd-update booting from ZFS as described at http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/, without having to go through the chicanry described at http://forums.freebsd.org/showpost.php?p=94557&postcount=19 - or is there an updated version of that post, or should that post be literally followed? SOMEONE here knows. Please help. Otherwise, I have to build a VM system again with 8.1, just like I did with 8.0, to figure out that 8.1 would NOT upgrade cleanly, and required that extra step. Please save me the trouble for 8.1 to 8.2. I have four VPSs that need to move from 8.1 to 8.2 remotely. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 00:11:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3686106566C for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 00:11:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amoran@forsythia.net) Received: from meriadoc.forsythia.net (celebrian.forsythia.net [173.13.138.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A5B8FC0C for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 00:11:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.200.0.199] (cerberus.forsythia.net [173.13.138.197]) by meriadoc.forsythia.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2E078V3001877 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:07:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from amoran@forsythia.net) From: Andrew Moran Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:10:57 -0700 In-Reply-To: <86hbb6aply.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <21D3DE2D-2C1E-4C7B-860E-C637C746150A@forsythia.net> <86lj0j9cwd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86hbb6aply.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 00:11:21 -0000 I have successfully upgraded form FreeBSD 8.1 to FreeBSD 8.2. Here were = my steps: cvsup /root/stable-supfile=20 cd /usr/src make buildworld make buildkernel make installkernel shutdown -r now=20 *select single user mode* mount -u / zfs mount -a mergemaster -p make installworld mergemaster gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ad4 gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ad5 zpool upgrade -a zfs upgrade -a shutdown -r now NOTE 1: the gpart commands are specific to my setup - I'm using a ZFS = mirror on ad4 and ad5. Your system may be different. NOTE 2: my "zfs upgrade -a" ran out of swap space and died. I ran "zfs = upgrade" to see what filesystems were left un-upgraded and did those = manually.=20 Thanks Scott Ballantyne and everyone else who responded. =20 Cheers! --Andy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 00:26:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B79F106566C for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 00:26:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from max@mxcrypt.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD9E8FC15 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 00:26:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so2259890vws.13 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.179.228 with SMTP id dj4mr2572322vdc.169.1300062409111; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:26:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.180.135 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:26:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Maxim Khitrov Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:26:19 -0400 Message-ID: To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Shell script termination with exit function in backquotes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 00:26:50 -0000 Hello everyone, I might be doing something dumb here, but this doesn't make sense to me. When I run the following script, I would expect to see no output: ---- #!/bin/sh exit_prog() { echo -n 'before' exit 0 echo -n 'after' } echo line 1: `exit_prog` echo line 2: echo line 3: `exit 1` echo line 4: ---- The reason I expect to see no output is because 'exit 0' should be called before any of the echo lines are allowed to execute. Instead, what I get on FreeBSD 7 & 8 is: ---- line 1: before line 2: ---- I don't understand this because 'exit 0' seems to terminate the call to 'exit_prog', but the execution of the script continues. However, when 'exit 1' is called, the script terminates before printing out the last 2 lines. It seems that 'exit' inside a function doesn't work when that function is called with backquotes. I assume it has something to do with the fact that commands in backquotes are executed in a sub-shell, but the behavior is inconsistent. When I run the same script on RHEL using bash, all 4 lines are printed: ---- line 1: before line 2: line 3: line 4: ---- What's going on here? - Max From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 00:55:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27DAB106566C; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 00:55:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from editor@d3photography.com) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA308FC08; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 00:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EAD22638C93; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:38:59 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jgnr8+uXUFXf; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:38:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.0.1.200] (70-89-202-1-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4016C2638C92; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:38:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Ryan Coleman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:38:21 -0500 Message-Id: To: FreeBSD Questions , freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: Subject: Setting up Novatel Mifi 2200 on 8.2-REL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 00:55:20 -0000 Are you up to a challenge? I have my Virgin Mobile MIFI 2200 connected to my new remote server via = USB (8.2-RELEASE) that I just set up and it's not seeing the modem, but = it does see the virtual drive on it. dmesg output: > ugen3.2: at usbus3 > ugen3.2: at usbus3 (disconnected) > umass0: on usbus0 > [root@camserve /usr/home/ryan]# more /var/log/messages | grep -i nova > Mar 13 18:39:05 camserve kernel: ugen3.2: at = usbus3 > Mar 13 18:39:05 camserve kernel: umass0: on usbus3 > Mar 13 18:39:07 camserve kernel: cd0: = Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device=20 also [more /var/log/messages | grep -i unknown]: > Mar 13 18:39:05 camserve root: Unknown USB device: vendor 0x1410 = product 0x5020 bus uhub3 > Mar 13 18:53:06 camserve root: Unknown USB device: vendor 0x1410 = product 0x6000 bus uhub3 > Mar 13 19:07:10 camserve root: Unknown USB device: vendor 0x1410 = product 0x6000 bus uhub3 > Mar 13 19:07:10 camserve root: Unknown USB device: vendor 0x1410 = product 0x6000 bus uhub3 > Mar 13 19:37:09 camserve root: Unknown USB device: vendor 0x1410 = product 0x5020 bus uhub0 > Mar 13 19:47:10 camserve root: Unknown USB device: vendor 0x1410 = product 0x6000 bus uhub0 I have uhso installed but without the indentifcation of 1410:5020 but I = cannot use it [yet] to connect to the net. Any thoughts? -- Ryan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 02:05:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D0CE1065670 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 02:05:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from max@mxcrypt.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E26B8FC0C for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 02:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxc34 with SMTP id 34so4535893vxc.13 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.69.79 with SMTP id c15mr60624vdu.249.1300068308554; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:05:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.180.135 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:04:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Maxim Khitrov Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 22:04:38 -0400 Message-ID: To: Scott Ballantyne Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Shell script termination with exit function in backquotes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 02:05:09 -0000 On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Scott Ballantyne wrot= e: > On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Maxim Khitrov wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> I might be doing something dumb here, but this doesn't make sense to >> me. When I run the following script, I would expect to see no output: >> >> ---- >> #!/bin/sh >> >> exit_prog() >> { >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0echo -n 'before' >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0exit 0 >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0echo -n 'after' >> } >> >> echo line 1: `exit_prog` >> echo line 2: >> echo line 3: `exit 1` >> echo line 4: >> ---- >> >> The reason I expect to see no output is because 'exit 0' should be >> called before any of the echo lines are allowed to execute. Instead, >> what I get on FreeBSD 7 & 8 is: >> >> ---- >> line 1: before >> line 2: >> ---- >> >> I don't understand this because 'exit 0' seems to terminate the call >> to 'exit_prog', but the execution of the script continues. However, >> when 'exit 1' is called, the script terminates before printing out the >> last 2 lines. >> >> It seems that 'exit' inside a function doesn't work when that function >> is called with backquotes. I assume it has something to do with the >> fact that commands in backquotes are executed in a sub-shell, but the >> behavior is inconsistent. >> >> When I run the same script on RHEL using bash, all 4 lines are printed: >> >> ---- >> line 1: before >> line 2: >> line 3: >> line 4: >> ---- >> >> What's going on here? >> >> - Max > > Backquotes run the process in a sub process, that exits. and the original > process continues. > Yes, my original expectation of having no output is incorrect, but `exit 1` terminates the parent shell in FreeBSD. That's the source of my confusion. - Max From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 02:13:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C736F106566C for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 02:13:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99FF8FC13 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 02:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p2E2DNEt074987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:13:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p2E2DNgr074986 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA07747; Sun, 13 Mar 11 18:08:23 PST Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:08:20 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <4d7d7894.ZVXy6HlL95xx+v0E%perryh@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: logging to dmesg from userland X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 02:13:23 -0000 I am looking for a way to write into the kernel message buffer -- the one that dmesg prints out -- from a userland program, to help in relating kernel printf messages to the userland operations which provoked them. (Yes, I am aware of the potential DoS implications: the capability should be restricted to root, or at least to the "operator" group. I expect to use it only in single-user mode.) Is there a program, or a system call, which can do this? logger(1) seemed a likely prospect, but either it doesn't have this capability or I haven't found the formula. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 02:19:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F5351065670 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 02:19:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dteske@vicor.com) Received: from postoffice.vicor.com (postoffice.vicor.com [69.26.56.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249BA8FC12 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 02:19:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [173.241.25.35] (port=2657 helo=[10.0.0.104]) by postoffice.vicor.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.74) (envelope-from ) id 1PyxNh-0002Se-UO; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:19:40 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) From: Devin Teske In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:19:14 -0700 Message-Id: <759A467E-407A-4DB8-9756-08011B5405F0@vicor.com> References: To: Maxim Khitrov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Scan-Signature: cbe37afc7d2f6d4b34e0f6d9ce4071cc X-Scan-Host: postoffice.vicor.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Shell script termination with exit function in backquotes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 02:19:15 -0000 On Mar 13, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Maxim Khitrov wrote: > Hello everyone, >=20 > I might be doing something dumb here, but this doesn't make sense to > me. When I run the following script, I would expect to see no output: >=20 > ---- > #!/bin/sh >=20 > exit_prog() > { > echo -n 'before' > exit 0 > echo -n 'after' > } >=20 > echo line 1: `exit_prog` > echo line 2: > echo line 3: `exit 1` Replace with: echo line 3: `( exit 1 )` This executes the command within a sub-shell (preventing the exit call = from effecting the current shell -- achieving what you desire). > echo line 4: > ---- >=20 > The reason I expect to see no output is because 'exit 0' should be > called before any of the echo lines are allowed to execute. Instead, > what I get on FreeBSD 7 & 8 is: >=20 > ---- > line 1: before > line 2: > ---- >=20 > I don't understand this because 'exit 0' seems to terminate the call > to 'exit_prog', The function call is performed in a sub-shell (internally). > but the execution of the script continues. However, > when 'exit 1' is called, the script terminates before printing out the > last 2 lines. >=20 > It seems that 'exit' inside a function doesn't work when that function > is called with backquotes. I assume it has something to do with the > fact that commands in backquotes are executed in a sub-shell That is incorrect. Here is a unit-test (to be performed on FreeBSD): dteske@localhost ~ $ cat << "EOF" | /bin/sh - > echo PS1=3D$PS1; : `unset PS1`; echo PS1=3D$PS1 > EOF PS1=3D\[\e[32;1m\]\u@\H \[\e[34m\]\W \$\[\e[0m\] PS1=3D The above scriptlet does three things: 1. echo's the contents of the PS1 environment variable. 2. Executes "unset PS1" within back-ticks. 3. re-echo's the contents of the PS1 environment variable. Upon execution, we see that despite being executed within back-ticks, = the PS1 variable was wiped-out. If commands on FreeBSD under /bin/sh = were executed within a sub-shell, said sub-shell would have a separate = environment that wouldn't effect its parent. Contrast this behavior with = the following scriptlet: dteske@localhost ~ $ cat << "EOF" | /bin/sh - > echo PS1=3D$PS1; : `(unset PS1)`; echo PS1=3D$PS1 > EOF PS1=3D\[\e[32;1m\]\u@\H \[\e[34m\]\W \$\[\e[0m\] PS1=3D\[\e[32;1m\]\u@\H \[\e[34m\]\W \$\[\e[0m\] In the above, we've re-executed the same script but with one minor = change -- we've placed the "unset PS1" command within parentheses, which = under FreeBSD's /bin/sh causes the creation of a sub-shell with separate = environment and exit code, etc. You can read more on FreeBSD by searching sh(1) for "Grouping Commands = Together". > , but the > behavior is inconsistent. >=20 > When I run the same script on RHEL using bash, all 4 lines are = printed: If you make the changes that I've suggested, you'll have consistent = execution. The reason you're having inconsistent behavior is because = Linux has /bin/sh symbolically linked to /bin/bash while FreeBSD has a = more traditional shell (we'll call it bourne shell "plus"). >=20 > ---- > line 1: before > line 2: > line 3: > line 4: > ---- >=20 > What's going on here? >=20 > - Max > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --=20 Cheers, Devin Teske -> LEGAL DISCLAIMER <- This message contains confidential and proprietary information of the sender, and is intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by any other person is strictly prohibited. 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X(+) R(-) tv+ = b+>++ DI+ D+(++) G++ e>++++ h r+++ z+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.geekcode.com/ -> END TRANSMISSION <- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 03:01:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC421065677 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 03:01:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8063D8FC0C for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 03:01:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p2E31OJP080888; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:01:25 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:01:24 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Bruce Cran In-Reply-To: <20110313120035.C010A106580F@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20110314125902.K36648@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20110313120035.C010A106580F@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: ajtiM , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: spam? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 03:01:35 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 353, Issue 11, Message: 4 On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:57:03 +0000 Bruce Cran wrote: > On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 06:49 -0500, ajtiM wrote: > > In the last week I got four emails like this one today: > > > > From: bruce@cran.org.uk
> > To: perryh@pluto.rain.com
> > CC: freebsd@edvax.de, > href="mailto:lumiwa@gmail.com">lumiwa@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [I guess it's a gmail option whether to quote messages with addresses shown as HTML urls? Other people seem to be able to avoid doing that] > That's not from me - it's from a company called ParkLogic who are > forging emails. See > http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/questions/2010-12/msg00591.html for more details. G'day Bruce, unfortunately trying to follow that through by 'next in thread' on derkeiler.com lands at a message that they've censored, declaring: "Error 410: The page you requested has been removed The page you requested has been removed due to inappropriate content." >From there, they leave you no way to finish the thread, in particular to my detailed wannabe FAQ - in reply to you, as it happened - on how folks might solve this issue at: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-December/225226.html That report may or may not help gmail users, as Chris Brennan reported gmail provides no way to filter on message headers such as Message-ID, still at least it shows how to determine that these messages are indeed forgeries. Maybe by now parklogic realise that targetting gmail users will cause the most mischief? Evil doesn't necessarily mean stupid .. As for derkeiler.com's apparently arbitrary censorship, you can see the message they removed, two messages before mine by thread, here: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-December/225236.html Apart from charging Svein Skogen with 'signature too long' :) I can't imagine why they or their robot might have taken offense. At least at lists.freebsd.org only something pretty extreme may provoke our esteemed postmaster into removing a message, and there's less obfuscation there of email addresses (like parklogic.com) .. for better or worse. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 03:45:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA8D106564A for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 03:45:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alydiomc@yahoo.com) Received: from web78203.mail.sg1.yahoo.com (web78203.mail.sg1.yahoo.com [183.177.76.151]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C98128FC13 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 03:45:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 47552 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Mar 2011 03:45:22 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1300074322; bh=ME16x8w/rDDUrpw/wfgERsIaZmahs8cwiBx2jpdjIV4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sX5ixFk8udlgBIZJIL3W93aATj1LeserjvKYHhdutPc/mF58+VEPtM5zXIHjNkDhvX/YL6jpl9KJ9yVacGSTQozpJ4Vwn4LIsVun8O++snY4V8K2aqV6Qlf98kYVwDYplS6lzp4goYeOIe7XCmRS4O5BznZEfzyLF/1GzxVjcEM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SAUboON6+yXLGmp3DIH84wfLFs95ThgIsRcNEvElp6HD5cFfM1XMn/yg/Dohg3hKwGpGCNn80a/+Lo9aiMZJ1pfIJTX1MMEFVhRvLt4yoAZoYlJpGQ18nAWw6mXjACYtzY8Q8zUffahep31eLqhB2Lwyg6HxXHNbOzYOd1DjYnc=; Message-ID: <309269.43906.qm@web78203.mail.sg1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 8lQ6M5UVM1mgtKYJvSpxscpPci1QNJV1YJdz1AR3BNtHgFO JC2mGPlveEujt5E8E6zn9e6tBHZ8NaUr6L_dtM.RdCZ_0LEi5THGGyoRIxsU 5uSqAFDXyQBmZC.zqbxT7FGBojbFgk2qbjqi2WH4XbcG44UUpZ0nzxZ5f5j9 uq_15x86x9sPnSPfizaAme7IrGnuz8hlSm7g60bHVUF8RyAkxapW6ISLqBJY kzB7HoUv6SJvfvxANTG9S1ntgUQTS7cFdPyZCU3EgW7_QpSriT8MG9Fwk3ul wQyXLh0zdKWk3jdp_3vZBRRDXL6wy_OLsLBAomw-- Received: from [202.175.250.14] by web78203.mail.sg1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:45:21 SGT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.295617 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:45:21 +0800 (SGT) From: lyd mc To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: openldap 2.4.23 exited on signal 6 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 03:45:24 -0000 Hi all, I am experiencing the same problem below. Do you have a solution for this? I am running on FreeBSD 8.1. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi list, I'm experiencing some problems with and LDAP box which used to run 2.4.21 and has been upgraded to 2.4.22 The box act as a pam_ldap/nsswitch login server for a bunch of boxes, let's say 20, and serve the mail server and web proxy server as a user base. The box has 2G of RAM and has an average load very low, let's say top/systat shows 0.40. The issue is that it happens from time to time every 2/4 days that the slapd daemon exits on signal 6: May 12 01:00:00 polido kernel: pid 27153 (slapd), uid 389: exited on signal 6 Then i restart the process everything looks fine and no corruption seems to happen in the DB. The box is a FreeBSD 8 Any clue is really appreciated. -------------------------------------------- Regards, Alyd From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 06:38:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E138106564A for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 06:38:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhelfman@experts-exchange.com) Received: from mail.experts-exchange.com (mail.experts-exchange.com [72.29.183.251]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196508FC19 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 06:38:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.experts-exchange.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.experts-exchange.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01DFC7138D0; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 23:38:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=e-e.com; h= user-agent:in-reply-to:content-disposition:content-type :content-type:mime-version:references:message-id:subject:subject :from:from:date:date:received:received:received; s=ee; t= 1300084736; x=1301899136; bh=qnm88w5C/5G2zLWBfSnGhg0stRCW0QhMCcz R+dvZppM=; b=CgzlOyckcRfi1UVvHeI6e/e7UOvLmejo1r7SfQuyUVtP9y4C5ra k8CvxoNFia3MXFfsUII9GBXnnpUjiR1pKPNUWPgownL51T4aENwcP9UHuDm3z+tf YE6xrXdhcV5gMqA+AFc2pPJBr788wJ+TNI5Y3vB6cSItXclk/bUQykdI= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at experts-exchange.com Received: from mail.experts-exchange.com ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.experts-exchange.com (mail.experts-exchange.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cdwu2mnVmKgy; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 23:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from experts-exchange.com (unknown [72.29.180.81]) by mail.experts-exchange.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C5D477137F5; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 23:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (nullmailer pid 64304 invoked by uid 1001); Mon, 14 Mar 2011 06:35:31 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 23:35:31 -0700 From: Jason Helfman To: perryh@pluto.rain.com Message-ID: <20110314063531.GF13527@eggman.experts-exchange.com> References: <4d7d7894.ZVXy6HlL95xx+v0E%perryh@pluto.rain.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4d7d7894.ZVXy6HlL95xx+v0E%perryh@pluto.rain.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE X-Living-The-Dream: I love the SLO Life! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: logging to dmesg from userland X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 06:38:58 -0000 On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 07:08:20PM -0700, perryh@pluto.rain.com thus spake: >I am looking for a way to write into the kernel message buffer -- >the one that dmesg prints out -- from a userland program, to help >in relating kernel printf messages to the userland operations which >provoked them. (Yes, I am aware of the potential DoS implications: >the capability should be restricted to root, or at least to the >"operator" group. I expect to use it only in single-user mode.) > >Is there a program, or a system call, which can do this? logger(1) >seemed a likely prospect, but either it doesn't have this capability >or I haven't found the formula. man syslog should have all of the info you need. -jgh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 07:09:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EAA51065675 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 07:09:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 839273@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04DC18FC12 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 07:09:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyg13 with SMTP id 13so889814gyg.13 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 00:09:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3ZOS2TE3MHKWJLK+G3+DZ61VuXIcIN/06W9S1YP15vs=; b=PyeotxjuXmkew3lm4FgDonb7jWefOeX94ekIcLNNkzpbIE9GAbj5znTe9dVwbdNhpx ZoFrBtXdJ4vGL0VsIOkSdQY304TKhZIXSF2gSw2yXf17wfSGlPHRbTM2kQ2TEeEBS+k2 i5pCGV7RScIdOHIJIM5+Y9METJeJLhgzcIt74= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=hudtjUWzvEv5aUnhClQZty5Hjkk95obBWyIV6qSSlLm1RVOacMrPmCVs6ewXUvxdja 0fYNinz4AnuVfin9uGdwxUnVyXgvX3aIliJJp8LvuGDMMY7D8/cPjBz3pc3Xqs4TBj5K sml/jfVaNn8zd8i5NBDAO9pbhTwZMMg5JxTEY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.50.17 with SMTP id x17mr5540580ybx.162.1300086590019; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 00:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Sender: 839273@gmail.com Received: by 10.150.216.2 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 00:09:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 02:39:49 -0430 X-Google-Sender-Auth: FSfPtluJpD2a4ep7WM53lID4fPk Message-ID: From: Andres Perera To: Maxim Khitrov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Shell script termination with exit function in backquotes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: 839273@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 07:09:51 -0000 ash tries to overoptimize by running certain command substitutions without a subshell On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Maxim Khitrov wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I might be doing something dumb here, but this doesn't make sense to > me. When I run the following script, I would expect to see no output: > > ---- > #!/bin/sh > > exit_prog() > { > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0echo -n 'before' > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0exit 0 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0echo -n 'after' > } > > echo line 1: `exit_prog` > echo line 2: > echo line 3: `exit 1` > echo line 4: > ---- > > The reason I expect to see no output is because 'exit 0' should be > called before any of the echo lines are allowed to execute. Instead, > what I get on FreeBSD 7 & 8 is: > > ---- > line 1: before > line 2: > ---- > > I don't understand this because 'exit 0' seems to terminate the call > to 'exit_prog', but the execution of the script continues. However, > when 'exit 1' is called, the script terminates before printing out the > last 2 lines. > > It seems that 'exit' inside a function doesn't work when that function > is called with backquotes. I assume it has something to do with the > fact that commands in backquotes are executed in a sub-shell, but the > behavior is inconsistent. > > When I run the same script on RHEL using bash, all 4 lines are printed: > > ---- > line 1: before > line 2: > line 3: > line 4: > ---- > > What's going on here? > > - Max > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 07:16:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1FBA1065672 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 07:16:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 839273@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58EF38FC20 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 07:16:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywf9 with SMTP id 9so2212959ywf.13 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 00:16:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=v9WVIy5Wiv4NfMLwhr2jgDQ3YyN99bXBWdeXzfk0UFA=; b=RlZniNse3JxgCoarF5JqSTK1n8AKISFrQTMXkESFmVPHNyurAvLzSvR9f6uu/4ya/R 1a9TbxQrovfp/wiRopegKNJTvUSHOewmQcauB4agyArK+iYFnH4svbiH3DeVTu6TaOUW Q1GlIqBz8vY4G75v3aaGGIBxp9plf7KbN6wEw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=d/o6h+x1zrmcLVjIrWGWw8dETuwWCSr4fj2vvvmlX5sRtwkfcJ8/vahGIh76hcZn1V 1xwZJJagzmatnW3cGX6LfcXpZGxF8fFyRRQUY37lYHgLIOa5fyVpAn44zGGR4Je5xpe0 pLcSUyWXfV6MA5j7FRPLByRCbyGpZYou2LLSw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.169.8 with SMTP id r8mr5410142ybe.447.1300087010585; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 00:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Sender: 839273@gmail.com Received: by 10.150.216.2 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 00:16:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <759A467E-407A-4DB8-9756-08011B5405F0@vicor.com> References: <759A467E-407A-4DB8-9756-08011B5405F0@vicor.com> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 02:46:50 -0430 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c6M3t_a2aRvSAqqBkO6h-PMr4Ng Message-ID: From: Andres Perera To: Devin Teske Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Maxim Khitrov , FreeBSD Subject: Re: Shell script termination with exit function in backquotes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: 839273@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 07:16:51 -0000 On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Devin Teske wrote: > If you make the changes that I've suggested, you'll have consistent execu= tion. The reason you're having inconsistent behavior is because Linux has /= bin/sh symbolically linked to /bin/bash while FreeBSD has a more traditiona= l shell (we'll call it bourne shell "plus"). that is misleading because command substitutions have traditionally invoked subshells, and freebsd sh(1)/ash is an exception, not the norm in this case, ksh and bash deviates are clearly closer to standard bourne behaviour From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 10:31:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A487106564A for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:31:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB058FC08 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:31:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so5020391wyf.13 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 03:31:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=lO8QXjwb0RChF1zJaWJ9POwXtB0FVMO/3m2Z8Ms+Zzc=; b=baXhctx++baXTOQ+i4Qdgy0OCsRmUreYIW0Zg4V84s+aXir4qOoPAJmcP2DcsWSi9h oeBM0Jv+EDxO+ebMZKjp0ZkwReZwQY0YEALZta2xUkIWXv03royXO0a6FO7sn5mvkGwz iO6A9ltiCLaRYgTQG226uTbLPVK5+zuOHyufI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=AN5/X7oYpe52GYDC1HGgR7BZ5txJhUVBTa5qrwNROaUfSXYYRkmSACGVI3T5zS2NI2 rB4X6sdI2oyM2L72fgkTmkEF6CPEvv9IOKjGzAGWwbvbnG1jXlN545yqEgdpY+0/ci3N o3HGl7vbWIWoXyGCc6to7vngWakzt+Vm7CgXw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.179.133 with SMTP id h5mr2165204wem.69.1300098705350; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 03:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.187.16 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 03:31:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <21D3DE2D-2C1E-4C7B-860E-C637C746150A@forsythia.net> <86lj0j9cwd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86hbb6aply.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:31:45 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: Andrew Moran Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:31:47 -0000 On 14 March 2011 00:10, Andrew Moran wrote: > I have successfully upgraded form FreeBSD 8.1 to FreeBSD 8.2. Here were my > steps: > > cvsup /root/stable-supfile > cd /usr/src > make buildworld > make buildkernel > make installkernel > shutdown -r now > > *select single user mode* > > mount -u / > zfs mount -a > mergemaster -p > make installworld > mergemaster > > gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ad4 > gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ad5 > > zpool upgrade -a > zfs upgrade -a > > shutdown -r now > > > NOTE 1: the gpart commands are specific to my setup - I'm using a ZFS > mirror on ad4 and ad5. Your system may be different. > NOTE 2: my "zfs upgrade -a" ran out of swap space and died. I ran "zfs > upgrade" to see what filesystems were left un-upgraded and did those > manually. > > Thanks Scott Ballantyne and everyone else who responded. > > Cheers! > > --Andy > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > sorry this is a bit late but here is the update script I use. I basically creates a structure like this. Makes if very easy to flip flop between os installs by modifying the pool bootfs variable system-4k/be 35.2G 1.20T 156K /system-4k/be system-4k/be/current 1.22G 1.20T 740M legacy system-4k/be/root20110226 2.80G 1.20T 882M legacy system-4k/be/root20110302 3.24G 1.20T 882M legacy system-4k/be/root20110306 1.32G 1.20T 882M legacy system-4k/be/root20110312 1.36G 1.20T 923M legacy system-4k/be/tmp 776K 1.21T 260K /tmp system-4k/be/usr-local 2.84G 1.20T 2.47G /usr/local/ system-4k/be/usr-obj 5.08G 1.20T 2.09G /usr/obj system-4k/be/usr-ports 5.82G 1.20T 4.33G /usr/ports system-4k/be/usr-ports/distfiles 1.20G 1.20T 1.19G /usr/ports/distfiles system-4k/be/usr-src 1.49G 1.20T 973M /usr/src system-4k/be/var 4.72G 1.21T 805M /var system-4k/be/var/log 3.66G 1.21T 2.34G /var/log system-4k/be/var/mysql 82.5M 1.21T 33.9M /var/db/mysql #!/usr/local/bin/bash if [ $UID != 0 ] ; then echo your not root !! ; exit 1 fi date=`date '+%Y%m%d'` oroot=`grep "vfs.root.mountfrom=\"zfs:system-4k/" /boot/loader.conf | sed -e "s#^.*\"zfs:system-4k/be/##" -e "s#\"##"` nroot="root$date" snap="autoup-$RANDOM" zpool=system-4k export DESTDIR=/$zpool/be/$nroot if [ "$oroot" = "$nroot" ] ; then echo "i cant update twice in one day"; exit 1 fi echo building in $zpool/be/$nroot zfs snapshot $zpool/be/$oroot@$snap && zfs send $zpool/be/$oroot@$snap | zfs receive -vv $zpool/be/$nroot && cd /usr/src && make installkernel && make installworld && sed -i -e "s#$zpool/be/$oroot#$zpool/be/$nroot#" /$zpool/be/$nroot/boot/loader.conf && \ echo "Installing boot records.." && zpool status system-4k | grep -A 2 mirror | grep ad | sed -e "s/p[0-9]//" | while read a b; do gpart bootcode -b /zfsboot/pmbr -p /zfsboot/gptzfsboot -i 1 $a; done && cp -v /zfsboot/zfsloader /$zpool/be/$nroot/boot/. && echo -en "\n\nNow run these two commands to make the changes live, and reboot zfs set mountpoint=legacy $zpool/be/$nroot zpool set bootfs=$zpool/be/$nroot $zpool\n\n" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 12:17:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28261106566B for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:17:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from max@mxcrypt.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D844A8FC0C for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:17:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so2604303vws.13 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 05:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.180.65 with SMTP id bt1mr407634vcb.135.1300105040257; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 05:17:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.180.135 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 05:16:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <759A467E-407A-4DB8-9756-08011B5405F0@vicor.com> From: Maxim Khitrov Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 08:16:50 -0400 Message-ID: To: 839273@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Devin Teske , Andres Perera , FreeBSD Subject: Re: Shell script termination with exit function in backquotes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:17:22 -0000 On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 3:16 AM, Andres Perera wrote: > On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Devin Teske wrote: >> If you make the changes that I've suggested, you'll have consistent exec= ution. The reason you're having inconsistent behavior is because Linux has = /bin/sh symbolically linked to /bin/bash while FreeBSD has a more tradition= al shell (we'll call it bourne shell "plus"). > > that is misleading because command substitutions have traditionally > invoked subshells, and freebsd sh(1)/ash is an exception, not the norm > > in this case, ksh and bash deviates are clearly closer to standard > bourne behaviour > Thanks for that explanation. I can understand the benefits of optimizing away subshell execution, but that can clearly lead to unexpected behavior. Is there some documentation on when this optimization is utilized (i.e. the command executed without a subshell)? Would I be correct in assuming that it is only restricted to built-in commands that are known not to produce any output, such as 'exit'? - Max From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 15:03:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F0B1065670 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:03:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970F08FC12 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:03:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p2EF3Waj019339; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 02:03:33 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 02:03:32 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: perryh@pluto.rain.com In-Reply-To: <20110314120040.18EF61065838@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20110315001045.G36648@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20110314120040.18EF61065838@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: logging to dmesg from userland X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:03:36 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 354, Issue 1, Message: 15 On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:08:20 -0700 perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > I am looking for a way to write into the kernel message buffer -- > the one that dmesg prints out -- from a userland program, to help > in relating kernel printf messages to the userland operations which > provoked them. (Yes, I am aware of the potential DoS implications: > the capability should be restricted to root, or at least to the > "operator" group. I expect to use it only in single-user mode.) Perry, interesting to see that unprivileged users can use logger to spam /var/log/messages (by default), on 5.5 and 7.4-PRE anyway. I've long assumed that I could do that just because I'm in wheel, but not so. > Is there a program, or a system call, which can do this? logger(1) > seemed a likely prospect, but either it doesn't have this capability > or I haven't found the formula. Had a bit of a play around earlier, and as an unprivileged user can do: %who am i subs ttyv6 Mar 14 18:06 %id -p uid subs groups subs %logger -p kern.notice hello from subs at kern.notice %logger -p kern.crit hello from subs at kern.crit logger(1) without -p writes to user.notice, which writes only to /var/log/messages (with standardish syslog.conf settings), but of the two above, only the latter one to kern.crit wound up in 'dmesg -a' sola# dmesg | grep subs sola# dmesg -a | grep subs Mar 15 00:07:35 sola subs: hello from subs at kern.crit Mar 15 00:07:35 sola subs: hello from subs at kern.crit but twice! Both appear in /var/log/messages, one of each, but only the latter also appeared - again twice - in /var/log/console.log .. not sure why twice, but syslog.conf can be tricky .. anyway, later trying other kern.levels: %logger -p kern.err hello from subs at kern.err %logger -p kern.alert hello from subs at kern.alert %logger -p kern.warning hello from subs at kern.warning All three go to messages, but just these two added to dmesg -a output: Mar 15 00:44:54 sola subs: hello from subs at kern.err Mar 15 00:45:37 sola subs: hello from subs at kern.alert Moreover on my 7.4 system I tested also with kern.emerg, which indeed sent the emerg message to all open consoles, including root's! Other kern. levels may work too, as may other facilities? and YMMV. Colour me very surprised not having to be root to do any of those, especially those that do write to the kernel message buffer .. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 16:01:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B791065675 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:01:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2808E8FC17 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyj12 with SMTP id 12so6017977iyj.13 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 09:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.59.2 with SMTP id wm2mr505603icb.82.1300118480159; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 09:01:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.144.202 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 09:01:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110314125902.K36648@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20110313120035.C010A106580F@hub.freebsd.org> <20110314125902.K36648@sola.nimnet.asn.au> From: Chris Brennan Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:01:00 -0400 Message-ID: To: Ian Smith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Bruce Cran , ajtiM , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: spam? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:01:21 -0000 On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Ian Smith wrote: In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 353, Issue 11, Message: 4 > On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:57:03 +0000 Bruce Cran wrote: > > On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 06:49 -0500, ajtiM wrote: > > > In the last week I got four emails like this one today: > > > > > > From: bruce@cran.org.uk
> > > To: perryh@pluto.rain.com >
> > > CC: freebsd@edvax.de, > > href="mailto:lumiwa@gmail.com">lumiwa@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > [I guess it's a gmail option whether to quote messages with addresses > shown as HTML urls? Other people seem to be able to avoid doing that] > > > That's not from me - it's from a company called ParkLogic who are > > forging emails. See > > > http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/questions/2010-12/msg00591.htmlfor more details. > > G'day Bruce, > > unfortunately trying to follow that through by 'next in thread' on > derkeiler.com lands at a message that they've censored, declaring: > > "Error 410: The page you requested has been removed > The page you requested has been removed due to inappropriate content." > > >From there, they leave you no way to finish the thread, in particular to > my detailed wannabe FAQ - in reply to you, as it happened - on how folks > might solve this issue at: > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-December/225226.html > > That report may or may not help gmail users, as Chris Brennan reported > gmail provides no way to filter on message headers such as Message-ID, > still at least it shows how to determine that these messages are indeed > forgeries. Maybe by now parklogic realise that targetting gmail users > will cause the most mischief? Evil doesn't necessarily mean stupid .. > > As for derkeiler.com's apparently arbitrary censorship, you can see the > message they removed, two messages before mine by thread, here: > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-December/225236.html > > Apart from charging Svein Skogen with 'signature too long' :) I can't > imagine why they or their robot might have taken offense. At least at > lists.freebsd.org only something pretty extreme may provoke our esteemed > postmaster into removing a message, and there's less obfuscation there > of email addresses (like parklogic.com) .. for better or worse. > > cheers, Ian > > Good job Ian! I was looking for that but hadn't had time to sit down and actually find it and you beat me to the punch. ajtiM, it boils down to two choices with GMail; 1) Continue to use the web-interface (I do) and live with this spam and just delete the message (take care to not mark it as spam, while GMail's SPAM filter is smart, it is by no means intelligent, marking it as spam would flag more then just *THAT* e-mail's headers as spam, it would flag the whole thread, including f-q@.) 2) Your second option would require you to turn pop3/impa4 support on in GMail and set up a client with more advanced filter support, or you could set up some combination of fetchmail/procmail/, manipulate it to filter out the spam you don't like and then throw up a local web-interface for your mail or use a local client such as mutt. -- Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward.... ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 18:01:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92FA106564A for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:01:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=0047607e1f=johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [64.57.183.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640C78FC19 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:01:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 57693 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2011 17:34:22 -0000 Received: from mail1.iecc.com (64.57.183.56) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2011 17:34:22 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=e196.4d7e519e.k1103; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=Ppn+NEZfnH6snnY3xaURf8nZMq4riqeY6ZZdxH7LBHI=; b=LeASHvM4x2h8pnXyXkgWkXJDPAEf7+wB28ETcKA3KzjjEXkYqM9gNmxGUOdVkCBR0gno2TRpuK1PyVB89PHPwaUSFY8e19Gr5RF6pS91NQ5r+4SsFz8DTUdHjZBGxwoKMjm3nCT+rhb5JDCOyrUqVLxJCX/GsbLQFeS1QyWcEhs= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Date: 14 Mar 2011 17:34:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20110314173422.57749.qmail@joyce.lan> From: John Levine To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Strange interaction between dump and NFS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:01:03 -0000 Every day, in my logs I see this on an 8.2-RELEASE server: Mar 14 03:11:14 leila mountd[937]: can't export / Mar 14 03:11:14 leila mountd[937]: bad exports list line / -maproot and, indeed, showmout shows that the root isn't exported and NFS mounts of the exported root filesystem stop working. But if I do a kill -HUP of mountd, the export comes back and resumes working. (The /etc/exports file is fine, and does not change.) What happens at 3:11 AM is that dump starts running on the root file system. I use a -L flag, so that's when it's doing the snapshot, which somehow seems to be confusing the mount daemon. But I also dump /var and /usr a little later, and they don't have this problem. The only difference I can see is that /var and /usr have soft updates, while the root doesn't. Any insight into what the heck is going on? To recap: * All three filesystems are NFS exported and are working normally * Dump starts, nothing should change in NFS, but / export stops working * Poke mountd, / export resumes workng. R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 19:14:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4996106566B for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:14:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp204.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp204.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B60348FC17 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:14:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp40.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 16EDA350240 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:14:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp40.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id 595693502C8 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:14:31 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.1.0.101012 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:14:26 -0400 From: Tom Worster To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: Thread-Topic: DTrace in RELEASE? Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: DTrace in RELEASE? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:14:37 -0000 Does anyone know if it's likely DTrace will ever make it into the generic RELEASEs? Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 19:35:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8A391065672 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:35:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from REMORSE@PARTNERS.ORG) Received: from phsmgmx14.partners.org (phsmgmx14.partners.org [155.52.251.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1BC8FC13 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:35:53 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AngJAH4Dfk2Et5wS/2dsb2JhbACDBpV9jQd3iEG4CIViBA Received: from hedwig.mgh.harvard.edu ([132.183.156.18]) by phsmgmx14-out.partners.org with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 14 Mar 2011 15:07:01 -0400 Received: from buxtehude.mgh.harvard.edu (buxtehude.mgh.harvard.edu [132.183.156.105]) by hedwig.mgh.harvard.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2EJ71O6039759 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:07:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from REMORSE@PARTNERS.ORG) From: Richard Morse Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:07:01 -0400 Message-Id: To: questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: BSDPAN support for Module::Build? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:35:54 -0000 Hi! Is there any BSDPAN support for Module::Build? Is there a package I can= install that will add it? Documentation on the web for BSDPAN is remarkabl= y limited... Thanks, Ricky The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error and the e-ma= il contains patient information, please contact the Partners Compliance HelpLi= ne at http://www.partners.org/complianceline . If the e-mail was sent to you in e= rror but does not contain patient information, please contact the sender and pro= perly dispose of the e-mail. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 19:50:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB906106566B for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:50:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from REMORSE@PARTNERS.ORG) Received: from phsmgmx12.partners.org (phsmgmx12.partners.org [155.52.251.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C0648FC08 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:50:51 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAAcPfk2Et5wS/2dsb2JhbACmDHfAZoViBA Received: from hedwig.mgh.harvard.edu ([132.183.156.18]) by phsmgmx12-out.partners.org with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 14 Mar 2011 15:50:43 -0400 Received: from buxtehude.mgh.harvard.edu (buxtehude.mgh.harvard.edu [132.183.156.105]) by hedwig.mgh.harvard.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2EJogga041415; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:50:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from REMORSE@PARTNERS.ORG) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) From: Richard Morse In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:50:42 -0400 Message-Id: References: To: Paul Schmehl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDPAN support for Module::Build? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:50:51 -0000 Thanks; I have that installed. I'm wondering if there is some way to get BSDPAN to register a Module::Buil= d installation as a package. Right now, it seems to require a perl package = built using ExtUtils::MakeMaker. I'm trying to create an installation packa= ge for an application, not just a module, and I need to be able to install = files in locations other than the standard Perl library directories. Using = App::Build, I can do that, but then I don't get the creation of a package i= n /var/db/pkg, and can't use pkg_delete etc. to uninstall. Thanks, Ricky On Mar 14, 2011, at 3:45 PM, Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On March 14, 2011 3:07:01 PM -0400 Richard Morse = wrote: >=20 >> Hi! Is there any BSDPAN support for Module::Build? Is there a package I >> can install that will add it? Documentation on the web for BSDPAN is >> remarkably limited... >>=20 >=20 > cd to /usr/ports > type make search name=3DModule-Build >=20 > /usr/ports/devel/p5-Module-Build >=20 > --=20 > Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst > As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions > are my own and not those of my employer. > ******************************************* > "It is as useless to argue with those who have > renounced the use of reason as to administer > medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson > "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very > intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell >=20 The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error and the e-ma= il contains patient information, please contact the Partners Compliance HelpLi= ne at http://www.partners.org/complianceline . 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 20:14:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99E5106564A for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:14:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=047918571=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from ip-002.utdallas.edu (ip-002.utdallas.edu [129.110.20.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B958FC0C for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:14:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Group: None X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtsLAKIMfk2BbgogVmdsb2JhbACmFgEhAiTBFIViBIUr X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.62,317,1297058400"; d="scan'208";a="52608275" Received: from zxtm01.utdallas.edu (HELO [129.110.200.11]) ([129.110.10.32]) by ip-002.utdallas.edu with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 14 Mar 2011 14:45:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:45:28 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl To: Richard Morse , questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: BSDPAN support for Module::Build? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:14:39 -0000 --On March 14, 2011 3:07:01 PM -0400 Richard Morse wrote: > Hi! Is there any BSDPAN support for Module::Build? Is there a package I > can install that will add it? Documentation on the web for BSDPAN is > remarkably limited... > cd to /usr/ports type make search name=Module-Build /usr/ports/devel/p5-Module-Build -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 22:08:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACC6F1065673 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:08:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 589198FC15 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:08:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2EM8LwX070453 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:08:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p2EM8LtA070450 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:08:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:08:21 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:08:21 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Subject: moused flickering X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:08:22 -0000 With moused enabled or started by a USB mouse, moving the mouse pointer on a console screen causes other characters on the screen to flicker. It's not very visible on a mostly-black screen, but run lptest to get some text and mouse the mouse around. This seems new. It's possible it's a memory problem with the video board, but it seems unlikely because there aren't any other noticeable problems. This machine is running i386 8-stable. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 22:40:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC351065673 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:40:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 839273@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C65B38FC15 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:40:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyg13 with SMTP id 13so1969gyg.13 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:40:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6hOv7RVCfQGVCDqXkDKZ8fvgmC9HNTMyAd/5acQGaOc=; b=bDffqfwB7TwIjXFNbhS8oWrkPuoqTwOeL0jHQZzLzcTCJwpuu+nZmaAsM4epy15bKy iFje+ZiYpfBXG9h+ya3qHAZiIAb+XRlJaY2AeN5bkQuIlu9DIwnEYEwnOeZGT1K4J5it WPZKCzXTy3rZf+WL2Vil2YXb732QjkuHmkc1k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=bC2Qb5bxIl1Kwfl9/rfxxD1rCN0KOOeSA5nPv4WmJATWKL9VCuat0iHpPHLsLtOnyN PRs7KB6sGjHcwkqhNJIfZUE52sATmCha+dnP8hBDPvG3keffFpaapIWuyPAx2JvMHT/V 4Xszw3TF6grGkW8SILUmMzcOUqc2QUfJ8vLOA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.75.15 with SMTP id x15mr4197130yba.219.1300142428981; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Sender: 839273@gmail.com Received: by 10.150.216.2 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:40:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <759A467E-407A-4DB8-9756-08011B5405F0@vicor.com> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:10:28 -0430 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7Zwo7BgfHRNtWhgRxFuJR0XIUnY Message-ID: From: Andres Perera To: Maxim Khitrov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Devin Teske , FreeBSD Subject: Re: Shell script termination with exit function in backquotes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: 839273@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:40:30 -0000 On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Maxim Khitrov wrote: > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 3:16 AM, Andres Perera wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Devin Teske wrote: >>> If you make the changes that I've suggested, you'll have consistent exe= cution. The reason you're having inconsistent behavior is because Linux has= /bin/sh symbolically linked to /bin/bash while FreeBSD has a more traditio= nal shell (we'll call it bourne shell "plus"). >> >> that is misleading because command substitutions have traditionally >> invoked subshells, and freebsd sh(1)/ash is an exception, not the norm >> >> in this case, ksh and bash deviates are clearly closer to standard >> bourne behaviour >> > > Thanks for that explanation. I can understand the benefits of > optimizing away subshell execution, but that can clearly lead to > unexpected behavior. Is there some documentation on when this > optimization is utilized (i.e. the command executed without a > subshell)? Would I be correct in assuming that it is only restricted > to built-in commands that are known not to produce any output, such as > 'exit'? i would check the source, autoconf docs, and http://www.in-ulm.de/~mascheck= / netbsd has been patched to fix `exit 1`, according to the last site > > - Max > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 22:51:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19841065672 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:51:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from editor@d3photography.com) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C678FC12 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:51:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4200B2638DF3 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:51:46 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 50Z00r8O+aNP for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:51:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.0.1.200] (70-89-202-1-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8DC812638DF2 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:51:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Ryan Coleman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:51:05 -0500 Message-Id: To: FreeBSD Questions Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Subject: 8.2: What's usbdevs called now? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:51:19 -0000 I see usbdevs was part of 7.x but I cannot find it outside of a src = directory in 8.2. Any recommendations? -- Ryan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 22:53:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81F11065689 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:53:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5478FC23 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:53:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so19979fxm.13 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:53:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=c5OBfsNyFwsSX7kqqeQpzBlGYj2BEN09v5zYOl/SOu0=; b=vuZAMn/F5KPcf4yAcAuCz10A2oVwRZPMRwyNNK3mVeh1KaEeKTsRvuqLwLBQgPaNCS Gi4yuIpO5wClt4LLRYnUh242YbqfYRzcbDiPebdP1IooLOp8+8mo7jMV26WGHN59OSd/ 2nedqX942WLFY4eLNaBmI8ZvGKdeE+i8E361Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=EhD54Nih2nNIEDVuZm++X1wiLIob5ZnMy5ZlJ3T55Vwq2YcLZW4TrtPf4rPPFkmH8Y FLl5R/gYUfmUqsiJZwHtkfP43qhB7sn+wvcLiUjOcRTzRErVOemqnPsi/37fnx7L5IR9 ieP99eQ4YUpaqWfFlxw2STvptD5B5gpRVqsRc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.83.130 with SMTP id f2mr1221176fal.80.1300141391299; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.59.7 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:23:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:23:11 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: moused flickering X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:53:34 -0000 On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Warren Block wrote: > With moused enabled or started by a USB mouse, moving the mouse pointer on > a console screen causes other characters on the screen to flicker. > > It's not very visible on a mostly-black screen, but run lptest to get some > text and mouse the mouse around. > > This seems new. It's possible it's a memory problem with the video board, > but it seems unlikely because there aren't any other noticeable problems. > This machine is running i386 8-stable. > I see it here, but it's not so much a flicker at least as I would describe it. If you hover your mouse over a character it appears to add at least 1 px width to the character, and only on certain characters, "m" or "M" for example. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 23:10:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3E851065677 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:10:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934B28FC0C for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2ENAZo6070648; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:10:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p2ENAZJZ070645; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:10:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:10:35 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Adam Vande More In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-902635197-1518840562-1300144235=:70642" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:10:35 -0600 (MDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: moused flickering X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:10:38 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---902635197-1518840562-1300144235=:70642 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Mon, 14 Mar 2011, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Warren Block wrote: > With moused enabled or started by a USB mouse, moving the mouse pointer on a console screen causes other characters on the screen to flicker. > > It's not very visible on a mostly-black screen, but run lptest to get some text and mouse the mouse around. > > This seems new.  It's possible it's a memory problem with the video board, but it seems unlikely because there aren't any other noticeable problems.  This machine is running > i386 8-stable. > > > I see it here, but it's not so much a flicker at least as I would describe it.  If you hover your mouse over a character it appears to add at least 1 px width to the character, and only > on certain characters, "m" or "M" for example. On mine, it's characters that are near but not under the mouse pointer that flicker off and on quickly. Move the mouse in a circle and random characters all over the screen blink quickly off and then on. ---902635197-1518840562-1300144235=:70642-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 23:14:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF87106566B for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:14:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A378FC18 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so37671fxm.13 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:14:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=srNdTV/wkBrYNAY9TElX3TenGsBSot3WVMjfhtUFkEw=; b=DevqgOHU2cyZ664kpgXhoYGaQYjV3IQ/Q66iIWaa0jm6Bg/Is7dZzmYa40k86WvSZl 1o1F/O8sq2NQZX7H2q4TF1t3gtz+ZBlfRf75XBCzNpnPIOoTyc4pophzzREBo3Tnj+5M 1bQuIp8NPjAo8pz/tzeP4FTocjQhQAqnOjOQg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=T9Td3HxOwazw5JeoGgI5Yz4jwlL4wE6IAVd2BJO+sE1SDtDfEQqiMCIlNUtNxnze7i NdsHXLR56QcxCaDTMbx1M+u1tNiKJcHClVZJSPK4h30woMmem+u6zdMAruesx5i14vUd KlBE3UFL9grDVpTZRZTETdaOXpyyoN2FZCMqI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.143.5 with SMTP id s5mr4361102fau.23.1300144440113; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.59.7 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:14:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:14:00 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Ryan Coleman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: 8.2: What's usbdevs called now? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:14:01 -0000 On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I see usbdevs was part of 7.x but I cannot find it outside of a src > directory in 8.2. Any recommendations? > usbconfig(8) would be the replacement I guess. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 14 23:15:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C8E1065676 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:15:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B97B8FC15 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:15:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2ENFBEO070676; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:15:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p2ENFB88070673; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:15:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:15:11 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:15:11 -0600 (MDT) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: 8.2: What's usbdevs called now? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:15:14 -0000 On Mon, 14 Mar 2011, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I see usbdevs was part of 7.x but I cannot find it outside of a src directory in 8.2. 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With that said, we have our atapi/33 optical on a add in controller (PCI) and are seeking to place four HDD’s on the main boards controllers. Our dilemma is where to place /, /tmp, /usr and /var from a performance standpoint. We understand that /var does quite a bit of writing and probably should go on the master hdd, but what about the /usr, /tmp and root? Hell, I’m not sure my thinking is sane as to where I ‘think’ /var should be placed/mounted. Thanks for the read of this. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 15 03:42:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7272106566C for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 03:42:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@alogreentechnologies.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A448FC08 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 03:42:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amd620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p2F3fuoO023436; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:41:59 -0600 From: Erich Dollansky Organization: ALO Green Technologies Pte Ltd To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:41:56 +0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.2-STABLE; KDE/4.5.4; amd64; ; ) References: <8a6023db5a3d4c8b34161f7ee0af29bb.squirrel@wtp1.ath.cx> In-Reply-To: <8a6023db5a3d4c8b34161f7ee0af29bb.squirrel@wtp1.ath.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <201103151041.56373.erich@alogreentechnologies.com> Cc: freebsd_user@guice.ath.cx Subject: Re: IDE -- mount partitions for better performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 03:42:04 -0000 Hi, On Tuesday 15 March 2011 07:00:30 freebsd_user@guice.ath.cx wrote: > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >=20 > Guidance with the following: >=20 > We are limited to Support for ATA-100/66/33 IDE and ATAPI compliant > devices. With that said, we have our atapi/33 optical on a add in > controller (PCI) and are seeking to place four HDD=92s on the main boards > controllers. Our dilemma is where to place /, /tmp, /usr and /var from a > performance standpoint. We understand that /var does quite a bit of > writing and probably should go on the master hdd, but what about the /usr, > /tmp and root? Hell, I=92m not sure my thinking is sane as to where I > =91think=92 /var should be placed/mounted. >=20 did I get it right? You have four hard disks? If so, place /, /var /tmp on indiidual drives. Make the fourth disk usr and= mount the remaining space of the other three disks inside /usr/home. Locate then stuff on the other three disks which you expect to be used in p= arallel with the /usr disk. Of course, you can mount it anywhere else if you want. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 15 04:16:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F578106566C for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 04:16:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from abhiman.yashpal@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D801C8FC15 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 04:16:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwc33 with SMTP id 33so226346wwc.31 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:16:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Bx1iTz5jMj5J6N0fAo/pOx+eSrVoZHi7ZQOloDDZAV4=; b=t31kVl6XurxmuqI1gPRjXuhX5lCzxgxWSnExXOuX3vSOaHqe4qo9PFNVhYdt1fcRR3 4EfcP6U58b4gahClTUVHy3F3FpfAlniWeWCrMPeqpCkOutx76MTzPqqf5gbLy/w7bMSr cBhilMF4b2dwlg6EI2uwkBcJ56CMlE6rH5dG4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=OaMH+8pjThkTURGy+N+szP7yJMO49aJlDYMf+Mnr/fGj1TIXD7SEIsHQHEyGsUZhSn NfhKv58iRGmctPhkA52JwQYA8ENmx4NUKTef2qeI88iAEb7G8bJuIJk2ZUPuU//Vx/Xr sgpD/VKPeMy2X0cFWzRwFnjg28DsFimRclmMA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.241.11 with SMTP id f11mr2997195wer.76.1300160949452; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.10.68 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:49:09 -0700 Message-ID: From: Abhiman Yashpal Karkera To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Questions regarding ithreads X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 04:16:10 -0000 Hi all, Is there a way in Freebsd in which we could ensure that multiple interrupt events are serviced by a single ithread. When i was browsing through the code i see that whenever we do a "bus_setup_intr()" it ends up creating an event structure followed by the handler structure and then creates the ithread. I am looking for a way in which multiple such events can be serviced by a single ithread rather than creating an ithread per event. -Abhiman From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 15 05:06:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF52106564A for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 05:06:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sdb@ssr.com) Received: from mailhost.ssr.com (mailhost.ssr.com [199.4.235.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 884088FC08 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 05:06:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 40888 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2011 04:37:40 -0000 Received: from pool-72-89-107-235.nycmny.east.verizon.net (HELO irelay.ssr.com) (sdb@72.89.107.235) by 199.4.235.5 with SMTP; 15 Mar 2011 04:37:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 59357 invoked by uid 103); 15 Mar 2011 04:30:10 -0000 Date: 15 Mar 2011 04:30:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20110315043010.59356.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> From: Scott Ballantyne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Dealing with deprecated ports. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 05:06:07 -0000 I want to upgrade devel/icu. In updating tells me to use portmaster -r icu This starts to rebuild gnome2-fifth-toe which wants to rebuild straw. But straw is marked DEPRECATED and portmaster won't rebuild it. I pkg_delete doesn't want to delete it because gnome2-fifth-toe depends on it. I never know what to do in these situations. Can anyone pass me a clue? Thanks, Scott -- sdb@ssr.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 15 05:30:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B87B1065670 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 05:30:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1DA68FC15 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 05:30:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so262335fxm.13 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:30:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Avz1btagnVUazxaNW8goQf3zote+YzQDilV6L1aPrv0=; b=ANLRdB0UV/wCTDh97+aWdKTqRvqKZhdJIDm/DoGMFPTa7NMjlin6EnZKweeg3ENYLR SUGAeqL9/tf1A1QDw5RzEyjAjCiLdrSXJrlQII1YK1XA94clA3nqPqr0fEtfuNvYovQj sTMTgs47yL5SvEuoM1Vf+tVWynQsV4Gwd/D+E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=II3BXkJ+EhTNtnLrIRyu0EnA6tymLokFZ0U1fkyVbVcsTA184UMIxmrHmFIaeihucd KKJRv82sjiSQBSQFSABvUkOaH4rnXgc/e9+Cp+A9xf+iiS2UI2gg0wsqGeALWDvSdItA hLkLRPpmj1POo9DmUf74MeK0zCFtopyF68VTQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.15.147 with SMTP id k19mr1967519faa.4.1300167017674; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.59.7 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:30:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110315043010.59356.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> References: <20110315043010.59356.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 00:30:17 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Scott Ballantyne Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dealing with deprecated ports. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 05:30:19 -0000 On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Scott Ballantyne wrote: > I want to upgrade devel/icu. In updating tells me to use > > portmaster -r icu > > This starts to rebuild gnome2-fifth-toe which wants to rebuild straw. > > But straw is marked DEPRECATED and portmaster won't rebuild it. I > pkg_delete doesn't want to delete it because gnome2-fifth-toe depends > on it. > > I never know what to do in these situations. Can anyone pass me a > clue > You can delete the "straw:${PORTSDIR}/net/straw \" line from the fifth toe Makefile. There must not be a lot of people using it because python 2.6 has been standard for quite some time now, in fact 2.7 is. You could just delete the two, straw and fifth toe, then run your portmaster and abandon the fifth toe port as it's just a meta port for the apps it provides. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 15 05:43:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA0E1106566B for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 05:43:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 839273@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682008FC1A for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 05:43:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyg13 with SMTP id 13so112298gyg.13 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:43:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=F4H9B8uCe+qWYxsy4PXNs267RjBRNuATkOCfSViQbM4=; b=mxNzHqrKeZmW3aaJ3+hGoAnKt6j/6ojAg7BxH8IFBSM3IVSfBfugL1jWKCR9BLBNmf ExKP0/Y++Hh9cruUZwRUml2BsITX1XwXZZe4Dpt2LrfliaWSMn108X70vhtfjLpswqAt DkyuNDyqsTADGaJso7Yjt9U0p7TNG0l1mCY0I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=FBGw+knGxNA3MH8l9Kb90p9EDzp4hQDjjH//7qgpK/hwCgRWStqfWTjz6yTqCxsWX7 DgNJPQ00SagR+DZ+eX73UgQIfIrX6MLmxRvkBfQ5BmzOijEcUsdC/oeoxsBYv17PCmMU Wn/nMzz+2arWZxUaEuT6D42AfW4XaRSILPSfI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.166.21 with SMTP id o21mr6810919ybe.390.1300167825497; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Sender: 839273@gmail.com Received: by 10.150.216.2 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:43:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110221205720.20585.qmail@dusk.parklogic.com> References: <20110221205720.20585.qmail@dusk.parklogic.com> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 01:13:45 -0430 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0XhOki61Xd4gEMB9BcoJZYbPaBY Message-ID: From: Andres Perera To: David Demelier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: 839273@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 05:43:47 -0000 > > Dear Sir/Madam, > Your email was unable reach the intended person that you were sending it to. > For more information on our business please click on the following link: > Click here for our website > We look forward to your continued business in the future. > Regards, Webmaster From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 15 06:04:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707121065679 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 06:04:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8CF8FC0C for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 06:04:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so117438gwb.13 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:04:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=j80p0+TkO9yzduL93v+zWqaAfaLfR8YuRoZ1wYEeFh8=; b=xQNsqC2s/UqxN/B92PeJWzDbtPoD6TmOSJ7kcNdKnrYe0gm00xVU1UnLDVS6PROa7p 44zr2vsbretZJusix9NzZ7wqMxK9cvIn9t+wXsEZIeVVXKItOSzpEKq4pdX5rsNYVUqu dc2GTgjBFcUzy9gS5eMusk6LwJvw/TknpMzyg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=ofZBj1sWNeW5ZgAS0EzsNR718obLoXTEFjsmtAXa1G1fOun8lnKmjwQihukfAXid6N 8tx+7rRVgpcpQOxMJ73Nul6IIrNybSI3LmU6OOFK/zCXZGnU+fQs3OxlSW5MiaKwDlKr lF24s603Ro1Msk4patU0qu3AnHbk7zd6PnIdw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.197.100 with SMTP id s64mr7441712yhn.326.1300169060617; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.103.16 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 06:04:20 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Tom Worster Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: Re: DTrace in RELEASE? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bf1783@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 06:04:22 -0000 >Does anyone know if it's likely DTrace will ever make it into the generic > RELEASEs? Maybe, at least in part. One of the developers has asked that the hooks needed for dtrace be included by default in upcoming releases: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2011-March/011157.html b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 15 15:47:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E69106566C for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:47:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362E38FC12 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:47:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so786630fxm.13 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 08:47:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=jM7IdhX7xPkhZoHnLHoPuN090rPlgkFAQJ2n3dPJlaE=; b=E4Fb89ZHNL6cvy34CXgTuRyEc8GWrHA5hay/hvJqF6JMvGMwBH+puABMHCX/T/mOxW YCZH28Zvvs79isgvlvfEji/6Hq6xumIWdOZ/fIfMmMrmAfKrMvY1W+g5JTgZgPOgMDrn 6/+aP49hx32osIo3vVzzaDD6smYEgjd+ic+X4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=uIxUyLE3bYnXjRl+gWrxfIUPqEgm0S30OtX7fHILkyWMVpTw4ScdsvYTdIz3t34U8h OCMpSMGiswDpSiMa4moKw1JE3+CBpx4Vb2s6Ps+RFtYC2JCY21qig6T+r/fINMgeKo9c WmhxMHXiQpdRxmsbiFiGxTFJgxWw+kYVltIkM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.124.7 with SMTP id s7mr3004766far.123.1300204027081; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 08:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.86.134 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 08:47:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8a6023db5a3d4c8b34161f7ee0af29bb.squirrel@wtp1.ath.cx> References: <8a6023db5a3d4c8b34161f7ee0af29bb.squirrel@wtp1.ath.cx> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:47:06 -0400 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: freebsd_user@guice.ath.cx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IDE -- mount partitions for better performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:47:35 -0000 On 14 March 2011 20:00, wrote: > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Guidance with the following: > > We are limited to Support for ATA-100/66/33 IDE and ATAPI compliant > devices. =A0With that said, we have our atapi/33 optical on a add in > controller (PCI) and are seeking to place four HDD=92s on the main boards > controllers. =A0Our dilemma is where to place /, /tmp, /usr and /var from= a > performance standpoint. =A0We understand that /var =A0does quite a bit of > writing and probably should go on the master hdd, but what about the /usr= , > /tmp and root? =A0Hell, I=92m not sure my thinking is sane as to where I > =91think=92 /var should be placed/mounted. > It depends on very many things. tmpfs(5) has been extremely stable for me, definitely safe enough for /tmp. Make sure you have plenty of swap, though. If the bits in /var aren't life or death (or at least production mail-serve= r) you can get by with it being mounted on a volatile filesystem (like tmpfs or mdmfs) and backed up occasionally (via cron or similar). If you absolutely can't afford to lose even 5 minutes of /var's past you'd be better off mirroring. I generally put / & /usr on the same disk, they're reasonably small & written to very little, if you symlink /usr/obj, /usr/src, & /usr/ports. --=20 -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 15 19:17:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D93106564A for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 19:17:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd_user@guice.ath.cx) Received: from guice.ath.cx (wsip-98-191-59-226.ri.ri.cox.net [98.191.59.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 954578FC15 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 19:17:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wtp1.ath.cx (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by guice.ath.cx (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2FJHYwT034590 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:17:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from freebsd_user@guice.ath.cx) Received: from 98.191.59.226 (SquirrelMail authenticated user email) by wtp1.ath.cx with HTTP; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:17:34 -0400 Message-ID: <5ab7e13805185464a4adf0c5d326671e.squirrel@wtp1.ath.cx> In-Reply-To: <201103151041.56373.erich@alogreentechnologies.com> References: <8a6023db5a3d4c8b34161f7ee0af29bb.squirrel@wtp1.ath.cx> <201103151041.56373.erich@alogreentechnologies.com> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:17:34 -0400 From: freebsd_user@guice.ath.cx To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: Re: IDE -- mount partitions for better performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 19:17:36 -0000 Annotated below ... > Hi, > > On Tuesday 15 March 2011 07:00:30 freebsd_user@guice.ath.cx wrote: >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> >> Guidance with the following: >> >> We are limited to Support for ATA-100/66/33 IDE and ATAPI compliant >> devices. With that said, we have our atapi/33 optical on a add in >> controller (PCI) and are seeking to place four HDD’s on the main boards >> controllers. Our dilemma is where to place /, /tmp, /usr and /var from >> a >> performance standpoint. We understand that /var does quite a bit of >> writing and probably should go on the master hdd, but what about the >> /usr, >> /tmp and root? Hell, I’m not sure my thinking is sane as to where I >> ‘think’ /var should be placed/mounted. >> > did I get it right? You have four hard disks? Yes, four separate HDD's > > If so, place /, /var /tmp on indiidual drives. Make the fourth disk usr > and mount the remaining space of the other three disks inside /usr/home. Are you suggesting something similar to: /dev/ad4s1a for / /dev/ad4s2a for /tmp /dev/ad4s3a for /usr /dev/ad4s4a for /var If so, my initial can current concern is which device (hdd) from the above list/configuration, should be connected to which cable connector (master or slave)? --depending on how much writing to a particular device is taking place; for instance during a 'build world' or while building anything from src. there is quite a bit of writing going on. I would think that making the disk/slice that is being written to a slave would decrease performance when the master to that slave is also being written to simultaneously. In such a case the slave would need to wait until the master is done writing before the slave would be able to write; Is my thinking on this sane? Please enlighten me/us. Thank you. > > Locate then stuff on the other three disks which you expect to be used in > parallel with the /usr disk. I'm lost on the above suggestion; not understanding this. > > Of course, you can mount it anywhere else if you want. > > Erich > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 15 20:00:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C4E21065670 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:00:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@reiteration.net) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB908FC17 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:00:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from potato.growveg.org ([62.49.247.163]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PzZne-0007hh-o6 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 19:20:58 +0000 Message-ID: <4D7FBC0E.5020302@reiteration.net> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 19:20:46 +0000 From: John User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.14) Gecko/20110302 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.8 ThunderBrowse/3.3.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: can make -j be used for ports? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:00:03 -0000 Hello freebsd-questions, I am no expert on make, so, here goes: Can -j options be used for make when building ports? I have an AMD X2 6000+ so presumably I'd use -j3 if this is possible. I know from the docs that -j is not recommended for make installkernel or installworld - but for some ports particularly the metaports I'd like to specify it if only to make the process faster. I'd like to use -j for portsonly and perhaps specify on the commandline when rebuilding the OS from source Is this possible or am I being unreasonable, or both, or not? thanks, -- John - lists@reiteration.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 15 20:08:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7431065673 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:08:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout023.mac.com (asmtpout023.mac.com [17.148.16.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53FB8FC0C for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:08:00 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp023.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LI400BSK7X7AR60@asmtp023.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:07:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-03-15_02:2011-03-14, 2011-03-15, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1103150145 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <4D7FBC0E.5020302@reiteration.net> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:07:54 -0700 Message-id: <1468BFDD-5E3C-4756-830B-266D0942AED0@mac.com> References: <4D7FBC0E.5020302@reiteration.net> To: John X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: can make -j be used for ports? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Ports ML List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:08:00 -0000 Hi-- [ ...followups sent to freebsd-ports@ list... ] On Mar 15, 2011, at 12:20 PM, John wrote: > I am no expert on make, so, here goes: > > Can -j options be used for make when building ports? Yes. Ports which support parallel builds will have MAKE_JOBS_SAFE=yes set in the port Makefile. It defaults to running -j with MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER=`${SYSCTL} -n kern.smp.cpus`, but you can change that to some other # if you like. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 15 20:21:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7115F106564A for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:21:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20E438FC19 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:21:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so1080094vws.13 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:21:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=5FEDV/1AsUa6JD8qcGjzGnpLpeIyvq38fRje8SOEeog=; b=fYQk7DeypevUY9VGWXxLKRJyugpV+vQG8kGWoPe/teei7G/N62Ps4tWNkoBRuLSy+W kwJQkUvKQ4w0/Bv+1n5WYIwNz+djXob6K+AoQ8lytxM0lS+MPf+pqCvVoqKz8mgyWMta 6lcRUwycZf7eyaD8vNqpnlJ2h6ebv//A0DhdM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=mcmktfHu3TQNU1tpKa7nvZoeHwKHGELQKP6fn7ylR++FXuzKIWNb+0ISpVETvBMJaQ wD7mH7XMZxS4mK9C7NGgrDvYrK0xtoidl9iYrvSAYv3scYGd7BOf8RGvAyFxk2tYPzVS kUdf3BltJq6LAEfDiBTQ8MvhySpvEl67A5iA4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.67.105 with SMTP id m9mr8203939vdt.126.1300218633294; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.169.165 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:50:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5ab7e13805185464a4adf0c5d326671e.squirrel@wtp1.ath.cx> References: <8a6023db5a3d4c8b34161f7ee0af29bb.squirrel@wtp1.ath.cx> <201103151041.56373.erich@alogreentechnologies.com> <5ab7e13805185464a4adf0c5d326671e.squirrel@wtp1.ath.cx> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:50:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: freebsd_user@guice.ath.cx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IDE -- mount partitions for better performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:21:05 -0000 On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 3:17 PM, wrote: > Annotated below ... > > > Hi, > > > > On Tuesday 15 March 2011 07:00:30 freebsd_user@guice.ath.cx wrote: > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > >> > >> Guidance with the following: > >> > >> We are limited to Support for ATA-100/66/33 IDE and ATAPI compliant > >> devices. With that said, we have our atapi/33 optical on a add in > >> controller (PCI) and are seeking to place four HDD=E2=80=99s on the ma= in boards > >> controllers. Our dilemma is where to place /, /tmp, /usr and /var fro= m > >> a > >> performance standpoint. We understand that /var does quite a bit of > >> writing and probably should go on the master hdd, but what about the > >> /usr, > >> /tmp and root? Hell, I=E2=80=99m not sure my thinking is sane as to w= here I > >> =E2=80=98think=E2=80=99 /var should be placed/mounted. > >> > > > > did I get it right? You have four hard disks? > > Yes, four separate HDD's > > > > > If so, place /, /var /tmp on indiidual drives. Make the fourth disk usr > > and mount the remaining space of the other three disks inside /usr/home= . > > Are you suggesting something similar to: > > /dev/ad4s1a for / > /dev/ad4s2a for /tmp > /dev/ad4s3a for /usr > /dev/ad4s4a for /var > > If so, my initial can current concern is which device (hdd) from the abov= e > list/configuration, should be connected to which cable connector (master > or slave)? --depending on how much writing to a particular device is > taking place; for instance during a 'build world' or while building > anything from src. there is quite a bit of writing going on. I would > think that making the disk/slice that is being written to a slave would > decrease performance when the master to that slave is also being written > to simultaneously. In such a case the slave would need to wait until the > master is done writing before the slave would be able to write; Is my > thinking on this sane? > > Please enlighten me/us. > > Thank you. > > > > Locate then stuff on the other three disks which you expect to be used = in > > parallel with the /usr disk. > > I'm lost on the above suggestion; not understanding this. > > > > Of course, you can mount it anywhere else if you want. > > > > Erich > > > > > > > When four IDE hard disks are usable , then there should be at least two IDE connectors on the main board . IDE cables have two connectors ( connectors near to each other ) . The oute= r connector is for MASTER , the INNER connector is for SLAVE . IDE hard disks have JUMPERS to set the MASTER and SLAVE hard disks , and it is very likely that on the hard disk , information about jumper settings ar= e printed . When there is no such information printed , it is possible that i= t is printed in its manual , or it may be available from its producer web sit= e . MASTER hard disk should be connected to outer connector , SLAVE hard disk should be connected to INNER connector . Then , the computer will identify these hard disks with respect to connecto= r on the main board , and MASTER and SLAVE settings of the hard disks . Then , it will list them as /dev/ad1... , /dev/ad2... , /dev/ad3... , /dev/ad4... , or other ad(Numbers) depending on mother board IDE ports settings ( there may be add-on IDE cards ) , or installer may label them differently . If the hard disks are different from each other , it is easy to identify which disk is detected as which device . ( Installer will list information about their sizes ( and , perhaps trade marks ) . ) Assume that all of the hard disks are the same . Then , it is very likely that the connector slot 0 will be detected first , and the connector slot 1 will be detected as second . To be exactly sure , the following steps may be applied . ( Absolutely power down the computer for hardware modifications ) : ( Record detected connected device names . ) ( On the mother board , slot numbers or letters may be printed explicitly . ) Disconnect connector in IDE slot 1 and detect disks in connector in IDE slo= t 0 . Then , disconnect connector in IDE slot 0 and connect IDE slot 1 connector and detect disks in IDE slot 1. Then , connect connector in IDE slot 0 and detect all of the disks . After obtaining exact device names of the hard disks , final installation may be performed . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 15 20:59:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E15106566B for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:59:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4AE78FC0A for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:59:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-175-53.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.175.53]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628991E31B; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 21:59:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p2FKx7KQ002145; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 21:59:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 21:59:07 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd_user@guice.ath.cx Message-Id: <20110315215907.f8a08352.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5ab7e13805185464a4adf0c5d326671e.squirrel@wtp1.ath.cx> References: <8a6023db5a3d4c8b34161f7ee0af29bb.squirrel@wtp1.ath.cx> <201103151041.56373.erich@alogreentechnologies.com> <5ab7e13805185464a4adf0c5d326671e.squirrel@wtp1.ath.cx> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IDE -- mount partitions for better performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:59:16 -0000 On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:17:34 -0400, freebsd_user@guice.ath.cx wrote: > > did I get it right? You have four hard disks? > > Yes, four separate HDD's I assume you have two on each of the two lines: ad0 = primary master ad1 = primary slave ad2 = secondary master ad3 = secondary slave This is how they would be connected: =====primary=====ad0-----ad1 =====secondary===ad2-----ad3 > Are you suggesting something similar to: > > /dev/ad4s1a for / > /dev/ad4s2a for /tmp > /dev/ad4s3a for /usr > /dev/ad4s4a for /var No. You don't need to even slice the disks (if you're running FreeBSD only, use "dangerously" dedicated layout). But if you require compatibility, make the following layout (just a suggestion): ad0s1a = / ad0s1d = /usr ad1s1a = /tmp ad1s1b = swap ad2s1a = /var ad3s1a = /home Keep in mind that performance "across" ad0 and ad2 is best. Masters are always good. Slaves are slower. Using primary and secondary in parallel works good, working on a master and a slave simultanously is worse. So you have the chance to put different subtrees (for example /usr/obj or /usr/src) on different partitions, drives and lines if needed. The positioning always depends on how much activity you expect on the certain file systems. You did get this idea already. Example: /usr is on prim. master, 2nd partition /usr/obj is mounted to /var/uobj on sec. master, 2nd partition You could also add - with the known limitations (fixed size) - other partitions depending on R/W activity, for example if you need /export or /opt. I have successfully used similar approaches in the past, also using (P)ATA disks, but I had them on a separate controller (also 2 ATA channels, just as you use them from the mainboard). If you omit the slicing step, all examples remove "s1". -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 15 22:05:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF49106564A for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:05:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BDBA8FC13 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1PzcMs-0005DN-Fu>; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:05:30 +0100 Received: from e178044154.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.44.154] helo=thor.walstatt.dyndns.org) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1PzcMs-0005ac-CZ>; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:05:30 +0100 Message-ID: <4D7FE2AA.5040609@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:05:30 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110305 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 85.178.44.154 Subject: Dell iDRAC JViewer and FreeBSD 9.0: not working, help! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:05:32 -0000 We use a Dell rack system with a JAVA based virtual console facility, iDRAC6, which works well when used via Windows 7 or some Linux boxes. On FreeBSD 9.0/amd64 (most recent) with JAVA diablo-jdk-1.6.0.07.02_13 Java Development Kit 1.6.0_07.02 openjdk6-b22_2 Oracle's Java 6 virtual machine release under the GPL v2 installed, I receive the virtual console after referring 'javaws' (Java WebStarter) as the appropriate application staring a kind of *.jnl application, but I receive an error: java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39) at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25) at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597) at com.sun.javaws.Launcher.executeApplication(Launcher.java:1293) at com.sun.javaws.Launcher.executeMainClass(Launcher.java:1239) at com.sun.javaws.Launcher.doLaunchApp(Launcher.java:1086) at com.sun.javaws.Launcher.run(Launcher.java:105) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:619) Caused by: java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: com.ami.iusb.FloppyRedir.GetKeyboardName()Ljava/lang/String; at com.ami.iusb.FloppyRedir.GetKeyboardName(Native Method) at com.ami.iusb.FloppyRedir.ReadKeybdType(FloppyRedir.java:454) at com.ami.kvm.jviewer.hid.KVMClient.get_keybd_type(KVMClient.java:731) at com.ami.kvm.jviewer.hid.KVMClient.startRedirection(KVMClient.java:723) at com.ami.kvm.jviewer.gui.JViewerApp.OnVideoStartRedirection(JViewerApp.java:452) at com.ami.kvm.jviewer.gui.JViewerApp.OnConnectToServer(JViewerApp.java:435) at com.ami.kvm.jviewer.JViewer.main(JViewer.java:110) ... 9 more I do not understand much why JAVA, platform independent, is not working with FreeBSD as expected. Linux- und Windows are working. Any help? Oliver From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 15 22:11:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5EFC1065676 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:11:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654698FC15 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so1243987fxm.13 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:11:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Pf8t1VtP2CdICU/T3kJz2OHBvX8sX+ITdk5qylDBLkQ=; b=VsNQkSqPQKrJ9cv5F5nzVlUN4wreIFpXTnaShuxyE0ZElkAjSbZnWnQgOKlNfVKCy8 4EKaYQlYE3pgppiExoquT2oJmaqBFzDFH0wohKiOpMUmSTof/kbAfpR9ErLSo+J/P7oy TLF89Avtgn8TdCarliDx+sWR8JNuWAthE8XsU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=TWG8D8U9UhPEkNb8DLIt41/16Y7Zc2kyreaDUEal+iVojxb2/kXm5PHgWbsxaVa3mF DJ72RTebvH+D2V4EpdRZn1y8rgpYtwexkEhRS6dnqvKcH2OK6y1y0HsTuRtePtLZ3rE0 QZ+Qw9PpXiZiEMyzU1p9uZrEp9t424XPN3PVE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.6.11 with SMTP id 11mr45955fax.99.1300226840568; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:07:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.59.7 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:07:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110315215907.f8a08352.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <8a6023db5a3d4c8b34161f7ee0af29bb.squirrel@wtp1.ath.cx> <201103151041.56373.erich@alogreentechnologies.com> <5ab7e13805185464a4adf0c5d326671e.squirrel@wtp1.ath.cx> <20110315215907.f8a08352.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:07:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd_user@guice.ath.cx, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IDE -- mount partitions for better performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:11:09 -0000 On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Polytropon wrote: > Keep in mind that performance "across" ad0 and ad2 is best. > Masters are always good. Slaves are slower. Using primary > and secondary in parallel works good, working on a master > and a slave simultanously is worse. > Your statement about master being faster than a slave is simply not true for almost every scenario when using devices with same capabilites. All master/slave really controls is enumeration, and shouldn't effect performance in and of itself. Other variables can effect that of course, like using a slower device as an ATA Device-1 with a faster Device-0. Even that example isn't ubiquitous as many, maybe most controllers are able to support mixed devices each in their fastest mode. The whole IDE device contention really isn't much of a bottle neck in this scenario. It's only a big factor when there's *a lot* of simultaneous IO going to both, say dumping one disk to another. The highest preforming setup in something like this is likely to be something along the lines of a 4-way /boot gmirror, and a 4-way gstripe with a smaller stripe size eg 32k across the remaining usable space. If you aggregate your disk IO in this manner, IDE channel contention shouldn't be much of a bottleneck. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 15 22:22:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2AF81065672 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:22:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F2498FC1B for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:22:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-175-53.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.175.53]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4491E166; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:22:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p2FMMrI2002380; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:22:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:22:52 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Adam Vande More Message-Id: <20110315232252.c3114070.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <8a6023db5a3d4c8b34161f7ee0af29bb.squirrel@wtp1.ath.cx> <201103151041.56373.erich@alogreentechnologies.com> <5ab7e13805185464a4adf0c5d326671e.squirrel@wtp1.ath.cx> <20110315215907.f8a08352.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd_user@guice.ath.cx, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IDE -- mount partitions for better performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:22:55 -0000 On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:07:20 -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: > Your statement about master being faster than a slave is simply not true for > almost every scenario when using devices with same capabilites. All > master/slave really controls is enumeration, and shouldn't effect > performance in and of itself. Other variables can effect that of course, > like using a slower device as an ATA Device-1 with a faster Device-0. Even > that example isn't ubiquitous as many, maybe most controllers are able to > support mixed devices each in their fastest mode. My statement originates back from individual experience in settings where disks with different capabilities (esp. very old + very new disk), as well as disk drive and an optical drive with limited speed. > The whole IDE device contention really isn't much of a bottle neck in this > scenario. It's only a big factor when there's *a lot* of simultaneous IO > going to both, say dumping one disk to another. That's true: When copying (or moving) data from one disk to the other master->master seems to be faster than master->slave (same line), if I remember correctly. > The highest preforming setup in something like this is likely to be > something along the lines of a 4-way /boot gmirror, and a 4-way gstripe with > a smaller stripe size eg 32k across the remaining usable space. If you > aggregate your disk IO in this manner, IDE channel contention shouldn't be > much of a bottleneck. A good advice, I haven't thought of that (never tried, but sounds achievable). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 15 22:35:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBCB0106566B; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:35:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77FC88FC08; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so1248974iwn.13 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:35:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fBxmVl/poTpZx2OaaB+6MmqyfzJAgN4U8NYCitXF/mY=; b=GTog42D2uP/Vudkvh8N22QKLglIZ5NdFq3Tk9mGgaKiQ39dzENerK+N6ooa/vIuN5z 8zxio3Gto1vsCvqiTnMr+WR09P6MpquLoNM2BLWTZ1Bytr3BPEU1EXM4ymcH5DXgbbLj ghHUP0HTC1JcayrCJU+S4dNucgCsPfy4Xmy5g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pyK5DyX0vzfUPOJCHSc9NY60TyKk9ROWeN3+Dz10cW10G7FTNnriwlM+HIH9VjcZwa EkvFtApOlYIZSKuyQV6PdD2SkwGm9uzwktEvU2MaYZLTocyp8yVtydsXFinvk5t6s6My +us7V1E7DTeR/WOekXSkprDnL466w/qipI0fM= Received: by 10.231.6.1 with SMTP id 1mr36506ibx.24.1300228536165; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:35:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.183.131 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:35:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1468BFDD-5E3C-4756-830B-266D0942AED0@mac.com> References: <4D7FBC0E.5020302@reiteration.net> <1468BFDD-5E3C-4756-830B-266D0942AED0@mac.com> From: Eitan Adler Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:35:16 -0500 Message-ID: To: FreeBSD Ports ML Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: can make -j be used for ports? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:35:39 -0000 >Is this possible or am I being unreasonable, or both, or not? This is unsupported, but you are not being unreasonable. This is a much wanted feature. > Yes. =C2=A0Ports which support parallel builds will have MAKE_JOBS_SAFE= =3Dyes set in the port Makefile. =C2=A0It defaults to running -j with MAKE_= JOBS_NUMBER=3D`${SYSCTL} -n kern.smp.cpus`, but you can change that to some= other # if you like. No, this is incorrect. The MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER and MAKE_JOBS_SAFE is used internally when building a single port. When the OP is asking if he can manually specify -j on the command line which would end up building multiple ports in parallel. This can not be done (primarily because there is no locking done on ports) Certain utilities can make this process faster. For example portmaster prefetches as much as it can, --=20 Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 15 23:14:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9A41065711; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:14:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dforsythe@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D613D8FC16; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyj12 with SMTP id 12so1285744iyj.13 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:14:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=M/9eCEjdklOs/uJE5SHefgcuzIe9ptDVFKG2E2ZmLnU=; b=XKtE3mgXSRoc0XR/Q0ZEva0JVjl+CtsQ3iIpZdNtQilcE2qkl3WtImZ8vsxwRDndUu WDBXFdMf67LyyRsg1XxUeickUjBp4kmq+r1cgD/ulUDtlh+4lcU56VYX5qLuITD01yMs WXEKaAFUkdQg0QmO+hivZd5hGTKt3BtFhbS28= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=GymXBQz8uIqNMVrKl409Zt6qj845x05wRar0A/7nME+VgOrdrQxJEwvycWONOomSsS fcbz6raBygERt1JuSWnO4eJ4JOkdCAKHIkwPy9mOUW1fbNYzGUI6ww58yMxlMB0GpLI9 DuhWVge+alerf1fDAz7AQnqQjRE5pDuohceDM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.142.20 with SMTP id o20mr34593ibu.65.1300229088731; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Sender: dforsythe@gmail.com Received: by 10.231.14.5 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:44:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4D7FBC0E.5020302@reiteration.net> <1468BFDD-5E3C-4756-830B-266D0942AED0@mac.com> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:44:48 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: YTAHEVijGnZ6soL5aWE7ctxd_7Q Message-ID: From: David Forsythe To: Eitan Adler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Ports ML , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: can make -j be used for ports? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:14:19 -0000 I had patches for this a couple of years ago when I worked on this problem for summer of code. What I did back then is surely stale, but if people really want it, I'd be happy to take another stab at it. On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: >>Is this possible or am I being unreasonable, or both, or not? > > This is unsupported, but you are not being unreasonable. This is a > much wanted feature. > >> Yes. =C2=A0Ports which support parallel builds will have MAKE_JOBS_SAFE= =3Dyes set in the port Makefile. =C2=A0It defaults to running -j with MAKE_= JOBS_NUMBER=3D`${SYSCTL} -n kern.smp.cpus`, but you can change that to some= other # if you like. > > No, this is incorrect. The MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER and MAKE_JOBS_SAFE is used > internally when building a single port. When the OP is asking if he > can manually specify -j on the command line which would end up > building multiple ports in parallel. This can not be done (primarily > because there is no locking done on ports) > > Certain utilities can make this process faster. For example portmaster > prefetches as much as it can, > > > -- > Eitan Adler > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 15 23:36:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD2F1065673 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:36:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504E98FC12 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:36:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.186]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD505C22 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:44:26 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4D7FE8E1.90600@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:32:01 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20110204 Thunderbird/3.0.11 ThunderBrowse/3.3.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110307162153.0463fa73@atmarama.net> <20110307170014.GB65289@guilt.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20110307170014.GB65289@guilt.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:36:45 -0000 On 03/08/11 03:00, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 07:31:43AM -0800, Nerius Landys wrote: > >> Sorry I could not help but to realize the title of this forum discussion. >> >> "I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that." :-/ >> > "I'm sorry Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that." > > (full quote) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qnd-hdmgfk > > Did you know you can configure YouTube to use HTML5 instead of Flash now? > Adobe is in danger of becoming irrelevant. > Yay! Unfortunately that dream may never be satisfied while stupid corporate media giants have a desire to keep things closed up. And now we have #%$^%& silverlight to deal with- open source cooperation my ass! Just got v2 running and now everything requires v3.0... That may not affect too much in business, but any corp that has ties with M$ is pushed to use it., meaning desktop users are left without entertainment. My wife can't watch some tv sites because of that now- after finally! getting flash working and watching catch up tv and the like to come a cropper again with a new format... :( If only people would stick to open standards... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 00:37:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CDD21065672 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 00:37:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D17398FC16 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 00:37:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxl31 with SMTP id 31so524084yxl.13 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.125.130 with SMTP id z2mr192035yhh.234.1300235876799; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l65sm228151yhn.39.2011.03.15.17.37.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E67AFE54833 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:37:53 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <4D7FE8E1.90600@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <20110307162153.0463fa73@atmarama.net> <20110307170014.GB65289@guilt.hydra> <4D7FE8E1.90600@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 00:37:58 -0000 On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:32:01 +1000 Da Rock articulated: > On 03/08/11 03:00, Chad Perrin wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 07:31:43AM -0800, Nerius Landys wrote: > > > >> Sorry I could not help but to realize the title of this forum > >> discussion. > >> > >> "I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that." :-/ > >> > > "I'm sorry Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that." > > > > (full quote) > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qnd-hdmgfk > > > > Did you know you can configure YouTube to use HTML5 instead of > > Flash now? Adobe is in danger of becoming irrelevant. > > > Yay! > > Unfortunately that dream may never be satisfied while stupid > corporate media giants have a desire to keep things closed up. And > now we have #%$^%& silverlight to deal with- open source cooperation > my ass! Just got v2 running and now everything requires v3.0... > > That may not affect too much in business, but any corp that has ties > with M$ is pushed to use it., meaning desktop users are left without > entertainment. My wife can't watch some tv sites because of that now- > after finally! getting flash working and watching catch up tv and the > like to come a cropper again with a new format... :( > > If only people would stick to open standards... The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. "Andrew S. Tanenbaum" Microsoft has approximately 90% of the desktop market share with everyone else dividing up the remainder. If you are on a Microsoft platform you use their products. The same applies to other platforms and their utilities. Corporate media, giants or otherwise, are in business to make money. They obviously are going to focus on the largest possible paying audience. Simple business 101. Now, as far as HAL goes, the fragmented open-source community cannot even begin to agree on its replacement. Every distro is busy trying to reinvent the wheel. Here you want the majority of users to be dictated to by a minority of users who cannot even agree on a common platform that is uniformly used throughout all the non-Microsoft community. That reasoning is totally irrational. -- Jerry āœŒ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ The church is near but the road is icy, the bar is far away but I will walk carefully. Russian Proverb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 00:44:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20E110656A8 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 00:44:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449948FC18 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 00:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.186]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5385C22 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:52:15 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4D7FF8C6.1020800@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:39:50 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20110204 Thunderbird/3.0.11 ThunderBrowse/3.3.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: mpd- no ng_l2tp coming up X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 00:44:35 -0000 Been a while since I've had time to check the list- I became a dad again a couple of weeks ago so its been hectic to say the least. Apologies for the previous thread revival- my email client didn't show up with _all_ the emails I missed so I thought I was more recent than I had realised. I'm running into all sorts of issues setting up l2tp networking. I think I have the IPSEC part worked out, but testing parts at a time l2tp dies in a hole. I've resorted to mpd as it seems to be widely used in BSD (and linux too..), but the result seems to be the same for other servers as well. I can start the server, it says ok and runs; I check sockstat, l2tp ports are open; I can even check the console (mpd), its says all systems go. I run the client- the connection dies, and so does the server. mpd.log: Mar 15 23:15:14 bell mpd: Multi-link PPP daemon for FreeBSD Mar 15 23:15:14 bell mpd: Mar 15 23:15:14 bell mpd: process 2762 started, version 5.5 (root@bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au 10:40 7-Mar-2011) Mar 15 23:15:14 bell mpd: web: listening on 0.0.0.0 5006 Mar 15 23:15:14 bell mpd: EVENT: Registering event EVENT_READ MsgEvent() at msg.c:72 Mar 15 23:15:14 bell mpd: EVENT: Registering event EVENT_READ MsgEvent() done at msg.c:72 Mar 15 23:15:14 bell mpd: EVENT: Registering event EVENT_READ L2tpServerEvent() at l2tp.c:1636 Mar 15 23:15:14 bell mpd: EVENT: Registering event EVENT_READ L2tpServerEvent() done at l2tp.c:1636 Mar 15 23:15:14 bell mpd: L2TP: waiting for connection on 0.0.0.0 1701 Mar 15 23:15:14 bell mpd: EVENT: Processing event EVENT_TIMEOUT ConfigRead() done Mar 15 23:15:36 bell mpd: EVENT: Processing event EVENT_READ L2tpServerEvent() Mar 15 23:15:36 bell mpd: Incoming L2TP packet from 192.168.0.200 47973 Mar 15 23:15:36 bell mpd: L2TP: ppp_l2tp_ctrl_create invoked Mar 15 23:15:36 bell mpd: L2TP: Control connection 0x286f3d08 0.0.0.0 1701 <-> 192.168.0.200 47973 accepted Mar 15 23:15:36 bell mpd: EVENT: Processing event EVENT_READ L2tpServerEvent() done Mar 15 23:15:36 bell mpd: L2TP: RECV [MESSAGE_TYPE SCCRQ] [PROTOCOL_VERSION 1.0] [HOST_NAME "anonymous"] [FRAMING_CAPABILITIES sync=1 async=1] [ASSIGNED_TUNNEL_ID 0x0d78] [RECEIVE_WINDOW_SIZE 1] [CHALLENGE c819a7182517daa2a777da6a7e7e581712745f00e3c707a3f381fb3561faa56e] Mar 15 23:15:36 bell mpd: L2TP: rec'd SCCRQ in state idle Mar 15 23:15:36 bell mpd: L2TP: connected to "anonymous", version=1.0 Mar 15 23:15:36 bell mpd: L2TP: XMIT [MESSAGE_TYPE SCCRP] [HOST_NAME "bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au"] [VENDOR_NAME "FreeBSD MPD"] [BEARER_CAPABILITIES digital=1 analog=1] [RECEIVE_WINDOW_SIZE 8] [PROTOCOL_VERSION 1.0] [FRAMING_CAPABILITIES sync=1 async=1] [ASSIGNED_TUNNEL_ID 0x7008] [CHALLENGE 481df3c95b9e9579adf0cae17d58e680] [CHALLENGE_RESPONSE d6f82bd055e8479f6e8dbe943a5b11c0] Mar 15 23:15:43 bell mpd: L2TP: RECV [MESSAGE_TYPE SCCCN] Mar 15 23:15:43 bell mpd: L2TP: rec'd SCCCN in state wait-ctl-conn Mar 15 23:15:43 bell mpd: L2TP: SCCRP lacks challenge response Mar 15 23:15:43 bell mpd: L2TP: XMIT [MESSAGE_TYPE StopCCN] [ASSIGNED_TUNNEL_ID 0x7008] [RESULT_CODE result=4 error=0 errmsg=""] Mar 15 23:15:43 bell mpd: L2TP: Control connection 0x286f3d08 0.0.0.0 1701 <-> 192.168.0.200 47973 connected Mar 15 23:15:43 bell mpd: L2TP: Control connection 0x286f3d08 terminated: 0 () Mar 15 23:15:43 bell mpd: ASSERT "ctrl->state == CS_DYING" failed: file "l2tp_ctrl.c", line 1426 Mar 15 23:15:43 bell mpd: fatal error, exiting Mar 15 23:15:43 bell mpd: [B1] Bundle: Shutdown Mar 15 23:15:43 bell mpd: [L1] Link: Shutdown Mar 15 23:15:43 bell mpd: L2TP: stop waiting for connection on 0.0.0.0 1701 Mar 15 23:15:43 bell mpd: EVENT: Unregistering event EVENT_READ L2tpServerEvent() at l2tp.c:1671 Mar 15 23:15:43 bell mpd: EVENT: Unregistering event EVENT_READ L2tpServerEvent() done at l2tp.c:1671 Mar 15 23:15:43 bell mpd: PPTP: Total shutdown Mar 15 23:15:43 bell mpd: L2TP: Total shutdown Mar 15 23:15:43 bell mpd: EVENT: Unregistering event EVENT_READ EcpNgDataEvent() at ecp.c:193 Mar 15 23:15:43 bell mpd: EVENT: Unregistering event EVENT_READ EcpNgDataEvent() done at ecp.c:193 Mar 15 23:15:43 bell mpd: EVENT: Unregistering event EVENT_READ CcpNgCtrlEvent() at ccp.c:190 Mar 15 23:15:43 bell mpd: EVENT: Unregistering event EVENT_READ CcpNgCtrlEvent() done at ccp.c:190 Mar 15 23:15:43 bell mpd: EVENT: Unregistering event EVENT_READ CcpNgDataEvent() at ccp.c:193 Mar 15 23:15:43 bell mpd: EVENT: Unregistering event EVENT_READ CcpNgDataEvent() done at ccp.c:193 Mar 15 23:15:43 bell mpd: EVENT: Unregistering event EVENT_READ LinkNgDataEvent() at link.c:182 Mar 15 23:15:43 bell mpd: EVENT: Unregistering event EVENT_READ LinkNgDataEvent() done at link.c:182 Mar 15 23:15:43 bell mpd: process 2762 terminated ngctl list: There are 4 total nodes: Name: mpd4493-cso Type: socket ID: 00000048 Num hooks: 0 Name: mpd4493-eso Type: socket ID: 00000049 Num hooks: 0 Name: mpd4493-lso Type: socket ID: 00000047 Num hooks: 0 Name: ngctl4494 Type: socket ID: 0000004a Num hooks: 0 I will note here though that I can get ng_l2tp in that list and a hook between two parts, but the rest are 0. I just don't always get it... :( The result remains exactly the same though. Accessing the web console it shows the l2tp link and the bundle on separate lines. I also had an unscheduled reboot (power failure) and that showed up a warning: "attempt to domain_add(netgraph) after domainfinalize()" which I could never quite figure was fatal or not. I've read and googled as much as I can in my free time working on this, trying my foo on the errors quoted, abstract concepts- nothing. Or at least the answers are only in russian- and my russian isn't all that good :P I didn't jump on the list straight up due to lack of time to respond and I wanted to crack it myself anyway. I've tried to get a clear outline of what is required for a lns (the docs and sample config only define a lac)- there are plenty of client howtos but no servers. That said I can't see what the hold up is: startup: log +all set web self 0.0.0.0 5006 set web open # set web auth disable set user default: load l2tp_vpn l2tp_vpn: set ippool add pool1 192.168.0.42 192.168.0.45 create bundle template B1 set iface enable tcpmssfix set iface idle 1800 set ipcp ranges 192.168.0.40/32 ippool pool1 set ipcp dns 192.168.0.20 set ipcp enable vjcomp set bundle enable compression create link template L1 l2tp set l2tp self 0.0.0.0 # set l2tp hostname set l2tp secret set l2tp disable outcall # set l2tp enable hidden set link action bundle B1 set link no pap chap eap set link yes pap chap set link enable multilink set link mtu 1460 set link enable acfcomp protocomp set link enable incoming # set radius server This is for mpd5, though mpd4 fails similarly as well. Obviously the config is adjusted accordingly, and I have seen one of each in examples found on google. I've gone for a simple as possible to help debug this. It appears the control connection is setup and then fails for some inexplicable reason. The client (android) logs show the same, but it is definitely the server that kills the connection. Anything I've missed? Can anyone shed some light here? Or should I be trying -net? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 00:55:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F85106566B for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 00:55:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4757D8FC08 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 00:55:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 19408 invoked by uid 0); 16 Mar 2011 00:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2011 00:55:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=BiuMZOv6laRyrLNRdQIDsNH+cEAQjfZewVgrOx6UCkpDrSTy/gufAMDEmEeLSrIJZFAKcyl5aFqS3RWPAwwYaFo8RliEU4X6h3njrJE6RGPK5f52RDbxvm3q6cvwmYvK; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pzf1L-0004WA-Kj for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:55:28 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:43:51 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:43:51 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110316004351.GA6614@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20110307162153.0463fa73@atmarama.net> <20110307170014.GB65289@guilt.hydra> <4D7FE8E1.90600@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 00:55:29 -0000 --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 08:37:53PM -0400, Jerry wrote: >=20 > The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to > choose from. =2E . . and most of them are supported on any given platform that isn't pathologically closed. >=20 > Microsoft has approximately 90% of the desktop market share with > everyone else dividing up the remainder. If you are on a Microsoft > platform you use their products. The same applies to other platforms > and their utilities. >=20 > Corporate media, giants or otherwise, are in business to make money. > They obviously are going to focus on the largest possible paying > audience. Simple business 101. The largest possible paying audience is generally everybody capable of using an open standard. Thinking that MS Windows users who browse the Web with IE constitute the largest possible paying audience is a classic mistake of not thinking things through. Modern versions (post-6.0) of IE support a nontrivial percentage of open standards; so do Firefox, Opera, Safari, Chromium, and others. If you select standards supported by all of them, you get better than 98% of the user base, and if you select Microsoft technologies, you may get 100% of IE users (post-6.0), but you only get something like 70% of your potential paying audience. People don't target a given proprietary platform that appears to hold the majority of the market because they're targeting the largest possible user base. They do so because they're lazy thinkers. >=20 > Now, as far as HAL goes, the fragmented open-source community cannot > even begin to agree on its replacement. Every distro is busy trying to > reinvent the wheel. Here you want the majority of users to be dictated > to by a minority of users who cannot even agree on a common platform > that is uniformly used throughout all the non-Microsoft community. That > reasoning is totally irrational. I haven't really been following the goings-on with HAL, so I'm not sure exactly what all is going on there. All I know for sure is that HAL never lived up to its own promises. Clearly, it needed to be either overhauled in a major way or replaced. Just as clearly, there's some kind of confusion over how the solution will look when the dust settles. Beyond that, I'm not sure what's going on. I do know, however, that the state of the disunion over HAL is no more or less annoying than the disconnect between API versions in one poorly implemented, incompletely specified, secretly propagated MS Windows version's software framework and another. The real tragedy, I think, is that the majority opinion in any major development space (Apple, Microsoft, Linux, et cetera) is unlikely to be anything clean, elegant, and sane, except in rare cases. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk2AB8cACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWimQCfRgGboIss3k4kApxaJGwcOVZu Za4AoPQRP1dd2cz6TQAhlYKnxNln8E8u =tHNH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 02:02:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B307106566C for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:02:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darren780@yahoo.com) Received: from nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 378528FC12 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.70] by nm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2011 01:49:57 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.23] by tm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2011 01:49:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2011 01:49:57 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 502506.72164.bm@omp1023.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 41759 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Mar 2011 01:49:57 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1300240197; bh=MU80mwHtmtrMwfwfS2JAcwP9bVtgV73fiJRSnsJsu0o=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cUJvTdZ9+TLk1tm/rQQVx7lJ/zfP0W2ANoilCjC8MOyaCoedxdz9YJUJR51ONl79l1riFvd1lzQgTsaBb/iY5NTxUUjQ7F3tYEfEDxOytHRfpT+jy0+cctFY6rL+Cf/Tznb0lJP3kLAb17yzGkzGba5HmEDKCLh8g7fJJ8Uvr2Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0eK3vL/uN8XkXabh/hFS1Ub/8wV21tg/t04C5QKXDIEQtCrgQbEcZkHxFi/0Qak6kbClmhHB7ZFtE4VNDXezOm4ZiKbo/D+EJXMt5gqo8nEt7FdlcRUg+CbM6tmXKn1bKsKBxFqsNAY8aPRSDE2bJMl0RnV9EaxiaigK3MuH1vo=; Message-ID: <999907.41650.qm@web112010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 1IKOTOUVM1m_gynKlkWoMq2Oqe8gPd.l7dV7TQC0.muhcX9 dlPeW0xHcs5E4dpUn654FffRenTousgKkuO7_gpgwqAyykMH68N49b.0JhYc OMBCNAeSKE4xS2AcjRgetS1nrOFBaWltJnTKo1RiV9tQ54JnjVRyg5mY3rBv 1js86y3jkw2dFsePUJs2zTIHzL3l4V2LpKKCMcFyLnxxG.nFW0NLD0iqZhar qsahh0euWELC5YkjBsJi8jtxPUh9hzJtdrf_twjjV_0f.cUEo5Y2I9HGOSIj WoglWArYFhaaQwGrc21W0117_Q5z8jj3VSyAk0ykNdJDalRasMY._wExAOcb bOnhROExyCMJYTzeyFX7_J.4xmx7CSrJZsExEVclR8aO0i_rKfZrLxqPKBaQ Fl8GLQFDQ1LK. Received: from [68.150.138.184] by web112010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:49:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/559 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.295617 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:49:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mr. Darren" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 03:00:39 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: looking for rack hosting company X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:02:39 -0000 Sorry if this is a bit off topic. I am looking to run a Freebsd server with a hosting company. Preferably on the cheaper side as our needs in the beginning will be somewhat limited. I would need enough ram/storage to do some trial and error with different databases. So the vmware virtual servers and limited ram are out. I recall at one time seeing a very reasonable outfit that would rent you a rack cpu for around $100/month range and after 2 years would ship it to you and give you a new one. Can't remember what they were called. I will consider any suggestions. I already checked out the list of venders at freebsd.org not finding what I need. Darren Johnston From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 03:11:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF234106564A for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 03:11:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E8B78FC17 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 03:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.95]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4903A16B4A5 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:11:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:11:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:11:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.6dollardialup.com To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> Message-ID: References: <20110307162153.0463fa73@atmarama.net> <20110307170014.GB65289@guilt.hydra> <4D7FE8E1.90600@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 03:11:36 -0000 On Tue, 15 Mar 2011, Jerry wrote: > Now, as far as HAL goes, the fragmented open-source community cannot > even begin to agree on its replacement. Every distro is busy trying to > reinvent the wheel. Here you want the majority of users to be dictated > to by a minority of users who cannot even agree on a common platform > that is uniformly used throughout all the non-Microsoft community. That > reasoning is totally irrational. Well you know if HAL were made to work without breaking essential stuff, no one would say a word against it. Unfortunately it was put together by egos too big to make corrections to their beautiful code. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 03:24:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E8F10656D2 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 03:24:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from mail.mroute.net (lax-gw09.mailroute.net [199.89.0.109]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C75C8FC0A for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 03:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lax-gw09.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02E9138542; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 03:23:58 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by lax-gw09.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2847813850E; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 03:23:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E83BD1E25; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:23:57 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: "Mr. Darren" References: <999907.41650.qm@web112010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.18.3.13; tzolkin = 7 Ben; haab = 6 Cumku Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:23:57 -0700 In-Reply-To: <999907.41650.qm@web112010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> (Darren's message of "Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:49:56 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <86fwqnyche.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looking for rack hosting company X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 03:24:00 -0000 >>>>> "Darren" == Darren writes: Darren> Sorry if this is a bit off topic. I am looking to run a Freebsd Darren> server with a hosting company. Preferably on the cheaper side Darren> as our needs in the beginning will be somewhat limited. I would Darren> need enough ram/storage to do some trial and error with Darren> different databases. So the vmware virtual servers and limited Darren> ram are out. How so? Take a look at arpnetworks.com/vps - you can get some pretty fat servers there. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 03:30:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7BD1065670 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 03:30:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733DF8FC08 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 03:30:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amd620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p2G2wIhI011299; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:58:22 -0600 From: Erich Dollansky To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:25:59 +0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.2-STABLE; KDE/4.5.4; amd64; ; ) References: <4D7FE8E1.90600@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201103160925.59230.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Cc: Jerry Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 03:30:14 -0000 Hi, On Wednesday 16 March 2011 07:37:53 Jerry wrote: > On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:32:01 +1000 > Da Rock articulated: > > > On 03/08/11 03:00, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 07:31:43AM -0800, Nerius Landys wrote: > > > > > The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to > choose from. when it comes to screwing, we use - at least outside the USA - metric screws. M3, M4 ... M10 ... We do not care much who manufactured them. The software industry is still far away from this. > Now, as far as HAL goes, the fragmented open-source community cannot > even begin to agree on its replacement. Every distro is busy trying to It looks like a bunch of little Napoleons. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 03:38:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964E3106566B for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 03:38:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlandys@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0BA8FC16 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 03:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwc33 with SMTP id 33so1616435wwc.31 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:38:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ujIX82DKJztOSAC1z+cIGgP26Ki+J9gA/DOe1V9wVrM=; b=MP1JYz7wUWTKHpppkGMdUNDc5YMc1rTzG43hONpfBCqBQZMYZrSjoxppGEn/pJAyYU QUoF2QbzaHI+gxrn8ZKefzKzGSIYsU/RiqI+QZX4cHoP5OpQKdxDA/Bfn6VSoxsn+ORh Tzl9JLkBzJ/8ekwyOEs8feac6SHF/RLpEY++w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CXySL7KX+ELozAU1cFJG5F8yc8MulDQB10C9Z8ZtAMTWkvO6xIHLf171E+29950++P YvlEyfdyCH6gtEmAWVkgscCnEAjfALxcYTSi+4kGU8ds6qe3XZx32gLIbKxbZTd9iiw6 a1LL7PyK3cFf8zFwrCAt6le6Dcd27zRdiQjzA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.53.73 with SMTP id l9mr283790wbg.19.1300246708936; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.133.201 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:38:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <999907.41650.qm@web112010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <999907.41650.qm@web112010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:38:28 -0700 Message-ID: From: Nerius Landys To: "Mr. Darren" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looking for rack hosting company X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 03:38:30 -0000 > Sorry if this is a bit off topic. =A0I am looking to run a Freebsd server= with a > hosting company. =A0Preferably on the cheaper side as our needs in the be= ginning > will be somewhat limited. =A0I would need enough ram/storage to do some t= rial and > error with different databases. =A0So the vmware virtual servers and limi= ted ram > are out. =A0I recall at one time seeing a very reasonable outfit that wou= ld rent > you a rack cpu for around $100/month range and after 2 years would ship i= t to > you and give you a new one. =A0Can't remember what they were called. =A0I= will > consider any suggestions. =A0I already checked out the list of venders at > freebsd.org not finding what I need. Try m5hosting.com . I'm colocate there. They are inexpensive and very good quality hosting company. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 04:49:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A231065672 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 04:49:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6A58FC15 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 04:49:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.104]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 16 Mar 2011 00:49:54 -0400 Received: from 209-6-91-204.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.91.204]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 16 Mar 2011 00:49:52 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19840.16752.255942.50511@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 00:49:52 -0400 To: Erich Dollansky In-Reply-To: <201103160925.59230.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> References: <4D7FE8E1.90600@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> <201103160925.59230.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Jerry Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 04:49:54 -0000 Erich Dollansky writes: > > The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to > > choose from. > > when it comes to screwing, we use - at least outside the USA - > metric screws. M3, M4 ... M10 ... > > We do not care much who manufactured them. > > The software industry is still far away from this. ... in part, because the definition of a "screw" is not yet fixed. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 06:02:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7FF11065678 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:02:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DACF8FC19 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:02:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.186]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FC15C26 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:09:46 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4D80525D.8000608@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:02:05 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20110204 Thunderbird/3.0.11 ThunderBrowse/3.3.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110307162153.0463fa73@atmarama.net> <20110307170014.GB65289@guilt.hydra> <4D7FE8E1.90600@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> <20110316004351.GA6614@guilt.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20110316004351.GA6614@guilt.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:02:06 -0000 On 03/16/11 10:43, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 08:37:53PM -0400, Jerry wrote: > >> The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to >> choose from. >> > . . . and most of them are supported on any given platform that isn't > pathologically closed. > > > >> Microsoft has approximately 90% of the desktop market share with >> everyone else dividing up the remainder. If you are on a Microsoft >> platform you use their products. The same applies to other platforms >> and their utilities. >> >> Corporate media, giants or otherwise, are in business to make money. >> They obviously are going to focus on the largest possible paying >> audience. Simple business 101. >> > The largest possible paying audience is generally everybody capable of > using an open standard. Thinking that MS Windows users who browse the > Web with IE constitute the largest possible paying audience is a classic > mistake of not thinking things through. Modern versions (post-6.0) of IE > support a nontrivial percentage of open standards; so do Firefox, Opera, > Safari, Chromium, and others. If you select standards supported by all > of them, you get better than 98% of the user base, and if you select > Microsoft technologies, you may get 100% of IE users (post-6.0), but you > only get something like 70% of your potential paying audience. > > People don't target a given proprietary platform that appears to hold the > majority of the market because they're targeting the largest possible > user base. They do so because they're lazy thinkers. > > > If you hadn't have pointed this out I would have... :) Having studied in some of the best business schools (this means you, Monash, for one) I can vouch for the exceedingly narrow view of the world by the so called captains of industry. >> Now, as far as HAL goes, the fragmented open-source community cannot >> even begin to agree on its replacement. Every distro is busy trying to >> reinvent the wheel. Here you want the majority of users to be dictated >> to by a minority of users who cannot even agree on a common platform >> that is uniformly used throughout all the non-Microsoft community. That >> reasoning is totally irrational. >> > I haven't really been following the goings-on with HAL, so I'm not sure > exactly what all is going on there. All I know for sure is that HAL > never lived up to its own promises. Clearly, it needed to be either > overhauled in a major way or replaced. Just as clearly, there's some > kind of confusion over how the solution will look when the dust settles. > Beyond that, I'm not sure what's going on. > I'm just as mystified. Why do we need a hotplug system on an OS which does it already? It is a system I've never been bothered enough to actually try to understand, its done its job as regards the latest in Xorg (else it wouldn't be needed all), but as for the rest of the features it supposedly does... why? It's easier to read the man pages and research/activate the native functionality in FBSD. > I do know, however, that the state of the disunion over HAL is no more or > less annoying than the disconnect between API versions in one poorly > implemented, incompletely specified, secretly propagated MS Windows > version's software framework and another. > > The real tragedy, I think, is that the majority opinion in any major > development space (Apple, Microsoft, Linux, et cetera) is unlikely to be > anything clean, elegant, and sane, except in rare cases. > > Again, my apologies for reviving the dead horse... :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 06:29:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C941065676 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:29:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4748FC18 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:29:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2G6TYsZ085049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:29:34 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p2G6TYsZ085049 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1300256974; bh=cKIjqsxV5FSZEjC/f2UV1P4ouqxCzqLm5gYpKRG08iA=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4D8058C5.7070502@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20W ed,=2016=20Mar=202011=2006:29:25=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.15)=20Gecko/20110303=20Thunderbird/3.1.9|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20HAL=20must =20die!|References:=20=09=09<2011030716215 3.0463fa73@atmarama.net>=09=09<20110307170014.GB65289@guilt.hydra>=09< 4D7FE8E1.90600@herveybayaustralia.com.au>=20<20110315203753.55f1ec 3b@scorpio>|In-Reply-To:=20<20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio>|X-Eni gmail-Version:=201.1.1|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Content-Type:=20mu ltipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"appli cation/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig7EC7A 1D26655AB6897254009"; b=F2RW3Uz9RE3giorB2H39SDRYTtoSEnby2NOPmW3BmCt0B4cfqGtaQTCrjOZ7gV+gr IUsqPeRHJ9c1GaHzZxhAHZuwD3W7Vfz5QC8eH0GJ8+DN95O/Cd9KNUqscHh4Oqq+07 Li+6ZPtV66sC2uLupElPbijBG2fRLPAc8smevjUI= Message-ID: <4D8058C5.7070502@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:29:25 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110307162153.0463fa73@atmarama.net> <20110307170014.GB65289@guilt.hydra> <4D7FE8E1.90600@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig7EC7A1D26655AB6897254009" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:29:39 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig7EC7A1D26655AB6897254009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 16/03/2011 00:37, Jerry wrote: > Microsoft has approximately 90% of the desktop market share with > everyone else dividing up the remainder. If you are on a Microsoft > platform you use their products. The same applies to other platforms > and their utilities. Microsoft may once have had 90% of the desktop market -- but is that still true? Macs seem to be everywhere nowadays. Also, how important is 'desktop' nowadays, compared to mobile browsers and the like? If the iPhone doesn't support Flash, then anyone with any sense is going to provide an HTML5 alternative. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig7EC7A1D26655AB6897254009 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk2AWM4ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIyvzgCePLUwkY6UULna0V7zoPuaS+40 q2MAn3BZfN7WhF+iDcUIwuY680ao3mV3 =PU6T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig7EC7A1D26655AB6897254009-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 06:35:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B999F106566C for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:35:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from mail.shire.net (mail.shire.net [209.41.94.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D598FC0A for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:35:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-67-172-236-20.hsd1.ut.comcast.net ([67.172.236.20] helo=[192.168.99.216]) by mail.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.51) id 1PzkKN-000H0z-Sq for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 00:35:27 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" In-Reply-To: <4D8058C5.7070502@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 00:35:25 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <59B5B73A-1974-40C3-A556-14C2B6599B8D@shire.net> References: <20110307162153.0463fa73@atmarama.net> <20110307170014.GB65289@guilt.hydra> <4D7FE8E1.90600@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> <4D8058C5.7070502@infracaninophile.co.uk> To: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.172.236.20 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on mail.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:35:28 -0000 On Mar 16, 2011, at 12:29 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: >=20 > Microsoft may once have had 90% of the desktop market -- but is that > still true? Macs seem to be everywhere nowadays. It may have change a couple of percentage points. Apple marketshare has = gone up a lot percentage wise but in the whole market just a little.= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 07:48:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6925E106564A for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:48:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE438FC18 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:48:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.186]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE05C5C35 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:56:26 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4D806B5D.9060308@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:48:45 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20110204 Thunderbird/3.0.11 ThunderBrowse/3.3.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201103121802.10051.lumiwa@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <201103121802.10051.lumiwa@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: android phone -pc-ineternet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:48:46 -0000 On 03/13/11 10:02, ajtiM wrote: > Hi! > > I have a wire (cable) internet on my home PC with FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE #0. > I have also a new HTC Inspire 4G phone which I like to connet to the Internet > through my PC. It has an option "Internet Pass-through". I am running also pf > firewall. > I connecte the phone to the computer (USB port) with option "Internet Pass- > through" but it is not easy to me. > In my pflog I got: > Date Interface Action Rule Direction Protocol Src. address Src. port > Dest. address Dest. port > 2011-03-12 17:25:35.356233 sk0 drop 9 in udp 192.168.0.107 137 > 192.168.0.255 137 > 2011-03-12 17:25:38.121827 sk0 drop 9 in udp 192.168.0.107 138 > 192.168.0.255 138 > A little confused as to what you're trying to do. The USB internet sharing (or pass through as you put it) allows your PC to use the phone's internet. To get the phone to use your home internet service it needs to use the wifi connection. Alternatively, you can access your home network using the 4G network using the VPN services. IF I understand you correctly here, you need to configure the wifi connection on your phone, and have a wifi access point available. Else- see above... :) HTH From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 10:23:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D04106566C for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:23:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B938FC08 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:23:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1PzntM-0002zv-3M>; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:23:48 +0100 Received: from telesto.geoinf.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.86.198]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1PzntM-0007OL-0j>; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:23:48 +0100 Message-ID: <4D808FB8.6010503@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:23:52 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" Organization: Freie =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Universit=E4t_Berlin?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110307 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 130.133.86.198 Cc: Subject: FreeBSD CURRENT custom ISO install image: howto? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:23:49 -0000 I'm desperately looking for howto creating my own FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT/amd64 custom installation DVD. Google delivers a lot of outdated stuff and I wasn't able to find some hints in the handbook, so maybe one here can help. I've already all sources via 'svn' (no CVS) on the local box. The intention is to be able to use new bsdinstall instead of sysinstall for having GPT partitions. Please set me CC if responding. Thanks in advance, Oliver From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 11:30:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60171065672 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:30:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744498FC08 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:30:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so688493gwb.13 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 04:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.184.1 with SMTP id r1mr591736yhm.73.1300275048686; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 04:30:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k29sm556483yhk.14.2011.03.16.04.30.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 16 Mar 2011 04:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D4FF6E54833 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:30:45 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110316073045.5b0f876b@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <4D8058C5.7070502@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <20110307162153.0463fa73@atmarama.net> <20110307170014.GB65289@guilt.hydra> <4D7FE8E1.90600@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> <4D8058C5.7070502@infracaninophile.co.uk> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:30:51 -0000 On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:29:25 +0000 Matthew Seaman articulated: > On 16/03/2011 00:37, Jerry wrote: > > Microsoft has approximately 90% of the desktop market share with > > everyone else dividing up the remainder. If you are on a Microsoft > > platform you use their products. The same applies to other platforms > > and their utilities. > > Microsoft may once have had 90% of the desktop market -- but is that > still true? Macs seem to be everywhere nowadays. > > Also, how important is 'desktop' nowadays, compared to mobile browsers > and the like? If the iPhone doesn't support Flash, then anyone with > any sense is going to provide an HTML5 alternative. There are numerous sites with purport to state the latest statistics on OS usage, etc. This is just one that I have used before. I obviously cannot verify its accuracy. As far as I can tell, it is an impartial assessment. http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 In an interesting side note, another article that I read recently and am trying to locate at this moment states that 50% of users who switched to MAC from Windows in the last 5 years are now seriously considering dumping it and moving to a Windows 7 machine. Their biggest complain was with the added complexity of doing routine tasks. A lack of job specific software was also mentioned. Exactly what that entails I have no idea. Apparently, keyboard users found Windows easier to use and maneuver. I am a mouse person myself so I would not be able to comment on that even if I used a MAC. In any case, the subject declaring "HAL must die" if no longer relevant. It is all ready dead, except on FreeBSD. Even its author has declared it so. The real question is how long are the developers of the fragmented open-source community going to continue to display testosterone poisoning by refusing to come together and develop one common interface/API or whatever they want to declare it to be that works on all the competing distros and thereby helps to unite the open-source community? The sad part is even if that did happen, each distro would then refuse to use it because it was not licensed according to their own specifications. Yes indeed, you have to love standards, there are so many of them. -- Jerry āœŒ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 12:44:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352C6106566C for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:44:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18398FC1E for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.186]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D205C35 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:52:13 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4D80B0AF.50602@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:44:31 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20110204 Thunderbird/3.0.11 ThunderBrowse/3.3.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110307162153.0463fa73@atmarama.net> <20110307170014.GB65289@guilt.hydra> <4D7FE8E1.90600@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> <4D8058C5.7070502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110316073045.5b0f876b@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20110316073045.5b0f876b@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:44:32 -0000 On 03/16/11 21:30, Jerry wrote: > On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:29:25 +0000 > Matthew Seaman articulated: > > >> On 16/03/2011 00:37, Jerry wrote: >> >>> Microsoft has approximately 90% of the desktop market share with >>> everyone else dividing up the remainder. If you are on a Microsoft >>> platform you use their products. The same applies to other platforms >>> and their utilities. >>> >> Microsoft may once have had 90% of the desktop market -- but is that >> still true? Macs seem to be everywhere nowadays. >> >> Also, how important is 'desktop' nowadays, compared to mobile browsers >> and the like? If the iPhone doesn't support Flash, then anyone with >> any sense is going to provide an HTML5 alternative. >> > There are numerous sites with purport to state the latest statistics > on OS usage, etc. This is just one that I have used before. I obviously > cannot verify its accuracy. As far as I can tell, it is an impartial > assessment. > > http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 > > In an interesting side note, another article that I read recently and > am trying to locate at this moment states that 50% of users who > switched to MAC from Windows in the last 5 years are now seriously > considering dumping it and moving to a Windows 7 machine. Their biggest > complain was with the added complexity of doing routine tasks. A lack > of job specific software was also mentioned. Exactly what that entails > I have no idea. Apparently, keyboard users found Windows easier to use > and maneuver. I am a mouse person myself so I would not be able to > comment on that even if I used a MAC. > > In any case, the subject declaring "HAL must die" if no longer > relevant. It is all ready dead, except on FreeBSD. Even its author has > declared it so. The real question is how long are the developers of > the fragmented open-source community going to continue to display > testosterone poisoning by refusing to come together and develop one > common interface/API or whatever they want to declare it to be that > works on all the competing distros and thereby helps to unite the > open-source community? The sad part is even if that did happen, each > distro would then refuse to use it because it was not licensed according > to their own specifications. Yes indeed, you have to love standards, > there are so many of them. > I may be just talking shit here, but shouldn't there be some posix (or similar) specification for this? That would bypass the licensing requirements- right? Then the coding would be done by the licensor according to their own requirements, but the interface would be the same. Hell, by that reckoning even Winblow$ and Mac could get onboard if they chose too- not that anyone could see M$ coming to any open standards party where they don't think they could gain the upper hand :) Might diminish the pissing contest too... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 12:59:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731C31065677 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:59:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kazakevichilya@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AFCA8FC0C for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:59:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so1722645wyf.13 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 05:59:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fWCVzy11HRIcjIp/08uELNJTXebQpuML3Ess03c8umc=; b=xiVpu1Vs+qu+3qbvqV+D/F9OWTG3xSsjs1Yycv2i68bM5rM3SLRymv76Y/N4r1ZAAi uNXfPQdgc0/t6MBRgrn62wc6W5qDJ4ndnYZMzaWQYN1u3e9h1h6iu5ISOG+2vm0364lO KCur8jrNMjcV/+y1L/ONekWuNZMxA2+G+hAo4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=wnjn6NhlyVNWAxj4OT0/bdSNCG5p/MBmL73yuB1vRRrk+eNaJm7nWiMvtzESqLl+i5 uTl22JOWeUE0f7ezYZPLZsFh9gOdQbW2kpeVpmCMUTOatoH0pO8gfWP9Cunn3rerePs1 mIfLXSQ2MFdYnrxxZp3cpQteGmgp1K1Jn+fN0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.91.81 with SMTP id l17mr762979wbm.29.1300278486739; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 05:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.157.148 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 05:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:28:06 +0300 Message-ID: From: Ilya Kazakevich To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Booting from firmware RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:59:18 -0000 Hello, This is probably more PC-specific than freebsd-specific question. I have intel firmware raid. OS needs drivers to work with it. FreeBSD sees it as ar0, so it has drivers. But I want my OS to be installed on this drive and boot from it. It is not good idea, but I really want to do it:) Is it possible? boot0 and boot1 both work with HDD via BIOS interrupts and CHS, right? So, how do they know how to access RAID? They has no drivers. Or BIOS supports interrupts to access RAID with out of drivers? If so -- what for drivers are needed? To access drive via ATA interface? Is it possible to boot freebsd from "firmware raid"? Ilya. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 13:00:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1D21065687 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:00:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bcook@poughkeepsieschools.org) Received: from a.outbound.bsdwebsolutions.com (a.outbound.bsdwebsolutions.com [64.72.68.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755F78FC17 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:00:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.bsdwebsolutions.com ([64.72.68.15]) by a.outbound.bsdwebsolutions.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (BSD Web Solutions, Inc.) (envelope-from ) id 1Pzq6N-0006v6-Nc for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:45:23 -0400 Received: from [207.241.248.11] (port=45764 helo=mail.poughkeepsieschools.org) by mail.bsdwebsolutions.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (BSD WebSolutions, Inc.) (envelope-from ) id 1Pzq6N-000JA8-KR for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:45:23 -0400 Received: from [10.20.0.10] (port=56859 helo=mbookpro.tcentral.lan) by mail.poughkeepsieschools.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (BSD WebSolutions, Inc.) (envelope-from ) id 1Pzq6N-000Mn9-EF for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org (authenticated as bcook@poughkeepsieschools.org); Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:45:23 -0400 Message-ID: <4D80B0E3.5060907@poughkeepsieschools.org> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:45:23 -0400 From: "B. Cook" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.241.248.11 Subject: ImageMagick, pecl-imagick (FreeBSD vs Ubuntu) problem (djvu as well?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:00:57 -0000 I have a server that I just put together to work with image creation. Its running lighttpd with php being handled by php-fpm all from ports running 8.2 amd64. My problem is quite strange; a simple php script reading in a djvu file (via Imagick()) causes php to hang and not do anything. - no errors, nothing. Running the script via php -f also does the same thing.. cat -n something.php 1 setImageFormat('png'); // force output format to PNG 4 5 // now write to browser 6 header('Content-type: '.$im->getImageFormat()); 7 echo $im->getimageblob(); 8 ?> So aside from the problem that this php does not do anything.. root@fbsd [/tmp]# 28 > convert /tmp/c30222267.djvu /tmp/file.png && echo $? 0 root@fbsd [/tmp]# 29 > file file.png file.png: PNG image, 957 x 1063, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced Running the command to convert the djvu file manually seems to have no problems at all.. The problem lies in that the developer of this (I am not the main developer) says that "all this works perfectly on my Ubuntu 10.04 LTS server at home".. *sigh* He sent me a php -m to compare my minimal setup to his bloated one; and I built every damn module to match.. no difference.. I've asked for a: `convert -list format` output from the lts machine to compare it against my own; as well as a `convert -list configure` Tried to do an strace to see what I could see.. but strace doesn't work on amd64.. So can someone offer *something* that I could start to look at or use to look at what is causing this to happen? Otherwise it is looking like I will be loosing a perfectly good FreeBSD machine to an Ubuntu one.. *sniff* Thanks in advance. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 13:19:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36992106564A for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:19:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Mayank.Agarwal@netapp.com) Received: from mx2.netapp.com (mx2.netapp.com [216.240.18.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 128248FC08 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:19:56 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,194,1299484800"; d="scan'208,217";a="530889332" Received: from smtp2.corp.netapp.com ([10.57.159.114]) by mx2-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 16 Mar 2011 05:51:34 -0700 Received: from sacrsexc2-prd.hq.netapp.com (sacrsexc2-prd.hq.netapp.com [10.99.115.28]) by smtp2.corp.netapp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/NTAP-1.6) with ESMTP id p2GCpYPV014143 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 05:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from btcrsexc1-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.73.251.109]) by sacrsexc2-prd.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 16 Mar 2011 05:51:34 -0700 Received: from BTCMVEXC1-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([10.73.251.107]) by btcrsexc1-prd.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:21:32 +0530 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:21:50 +0530 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: panic while using gdb amd64 freebsd7.2 Thread-Index: Acvj2OrqMWrwy1ccStKLMbUHMdCH1w== From: "Agarwal, Mayank" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2011 12:51:32.0170 (UTC) FILETIME=[E00ED2A0:01CBE3D8] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: panic while using gdb amd64 freebsd7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:19:57 -0000 Hi, =20 I have looked at archives but with no output. =20 I am running freebsd7.2 amd64 as a virtual machine(VM) in vmware ESX server. I have configured remote gdb to debug the kernel modules. My problem is that whenever the breakpoint is hit and the I issue next or step kernel panics with "double fault" error. This configuration was working for 32-bit machine very well. I am trying to debug the tmpfs module. =20 Panic message on console is: =20 Fatal double fault rip =3D 0xffffffff80552be1 rsp =3D 0xffffffff006f5000 rbp =3D 0xffffffff006f5000 cpuid =3D 0; apic id =3D 00 panic: double fault cpuid =3D 0 Uptime: 1h16m8s Physical memory: 4555 MB Dumping 207 MB: 192 176 160 144 128 112 96 80 64 48 32 16 Dump complete =20 =20 I tried searching this problem on google also but with no help. =20 Any help will be appreciated. =20 Thanks, Mayank =20 =20 =20 =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 13:25:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8EC11065673 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:25:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kazakevichilya@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69AB18FC12 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:25:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so1752606wyf.13 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:25:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=V60TYSZxHcEnU9emNUO0pylU6pGFeOcTZPHni5e9zp0=; b=VvuF6TAqPaDYGabWzPrFHpFO/uJrTpTQABS2EEDU3Q+s9irp9w9YsjXPvVsLebGXvH v6xwTCHUb/cN3oQr7e19PuXwH/ZTeccBQBq0+kOUXUY1bq/QgqtCaomOqN+bfqGNzaVJ 4u3gg5W9ZSRnp+ftol4vBQmpyN9gYhQAX8LTQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=p4myX/bnhpYkO+gSZhU+PMVTwkG0lsX4toOBOsSn7fkeCSG9etPcSz3kM0UBkbBSaH WF3HvKE/eIxKKuBqQefQ70nTfAZPE2yeR5/6xyL9ciAjktrj5ZUZceORdUmyd8IFHSoT 9ifyTNKp7hdtmjHB0Jk5JVfRhYVfj+ucYEJkE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.180.138 with SMTP id bu10mr783761wbb.226.1300281954308; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:25:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.157.148 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:25:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <00ca01cbe3da$e1ee5620$a5cb0260$@wakefield.sch.uk> References: <00ca01cbe3da$e1ee5620$a5cb0260$@wakefield.sch.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:25:54 +0300 Message-ID: From: Ilya Kazakevich To: mcoyles@horbury.wakefield.sch.uk, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Booting from firmware RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:25:56 -0000 Thank you. I configured boot0 to my ar0 and tried to boot from it. It freezes. I use RAID10 and Intel-ICH7. Looks like I've faced with some other troubles.. Ilya. On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 4:05 PM, mcoyles wrote: > >This is probably more PC-specific than freebsd-specific question. I have > >intel firmware raid. OS needs drivers to work with it. FreeBSD sees it as > >ar0, so it has drivers. > >But I want my OS to be installed on this drive and boot from it. It is not > >good idea, but I really want to do it:) > >Is it possible? > > > >boot0 and boot1 both work with HDD via BIOS interrupts and CHS, right? So, > >how do they know how to access RAID? They has no drivers. > >Or BIOS supports interrupts to access RAID with out of drivers? If so -- > >what for drivers are needed? To access drive via ATA interface? > > Bios support interrupts and can thus boot from firmware raid. > Under windows drivers typically just give you full speed / management > features > > ----- > Marci > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 13:50:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9DC3106568E for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:50:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc4-s16.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s16.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F668FC16 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:50:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP81 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s16.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:38:32 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [174.109.142.1] X-Originating-Email: [carmel_ny@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ([174.109.142.1]) by BLU0-SMTP81.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:38:32 -0700 Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A63B1E54833 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:38:29 -0400 From: Carmel To: FreeBSD Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2011 13:38:32.0449 (UTC) FILETIME=[71133F10:01CBE3DF] Subject: Updating OpenSSH X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:50:35 -0000 I was just wondering about the version of SSH used on FreeBSD. According to the OpenSSH page: OpenSSH 5.8/5.8p1 released February 4, 2011 [contains security fix] Now, according to my system, FreeBSD-8.2, I have this version: OpenSSH_5.4p1 FreeBSD-20100308, OpenSSL 0.9.8q 2 Dec 2010 # openssl version OpenSSL 1.0.0d 8 Feb 2011 So why is an older version shown? Also, when does the FreeBSD team intend to update the system OpenSSH version? I have the following notation in my /etc/make.conf file: WITH_OPENSSL_PORT=yes Should I have something else also? I have FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE installed. -- Carmel carmel_ny@hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 14:11:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059F9106564A for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:11:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B809D8FC1C for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:11:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so751604gxk.13 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:11:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=APmzI1WYy8REctr+P5CLf9l3FUYfKmqQt90uNHwLVRQ=; b=nR4D+Ic1Xc5aRzNAkj+MPnhfpG3NZBAYW6/BFjf2tAUAZxC+XhQu3JYIupfTZ9U/Si z8/NBO1vuh64GmSCq5d8GbPtf5+spLARj7jcJSgbRbRQx+4ITJZAjSVF85bXTnf5R91e fmzDmDBZEelu0z06LHyFHRJixZltM+AgIlopw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=FT3b1uBK2SY43JNahk6TtTJ6VGy9bldtHEAl+mzIK2dPwJnjFvtpmLCbufYxN+Y4y6 /BvtSYmFU3dIPkO5iVqKDaZq6gj6rmcRZwdiAuwsXaO+5f627i1nSfDsYKoh/ZAzqL9h fBItK+mz8WkZ5LaqzfdGSqFNmz3hqARrYLdEs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.192.234 with SMTP id i70mr49052yhn.126.1300284708070; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.103.16 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:11:48 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: Ilya Kazakevich , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: Re: Booting from firmware RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bf1783@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:11:49 -0000 > This is probably more PC-specific than freebsd-specific question. I have > intel firmware raid. OS needs drivers to work with it. FreeBSD sees it as > ar0, so it has drivers. > But I want my OS to be installed on this drive and boot from it. It is not > good idea, but I really want to do it:) > Is it possible? > > boot0 and boot1 both work with HDD via BIOS interrupts and CHS, right? So, > how do they know how to access RAID? They has no drivers. > Or BIOS supports interrupts to access RAID with out of drivers? If so -- > what for drivers are needed? To access drive via ATA interface? > > Is it possible to boot freebsd from "firmware raid"? Sometimes: it depends on the firmware, and your bios. I had a add-in PCIe SATA RAID controller based on a Marvell SE9128 chipset, and using a Marvell firmware. The bios and the FreeBSD 9-CURRENT bootloader were able to boot from a JBOD drive attached to the controller, up until the point where the ahci driver tried to take control of the drive. Then the Marvell firmware presented a fictitious configuration to the ahci driver and returned invalid device signatures, so the boot process failed. On the same machine, however, I was able to boot without problems from a JBOD drive attached to a PCI-X SATA RAID controller based on the Silicon Image SiI3124 chipset, using a Silicon Image firmware. b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 14:35:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6908A106566B for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:35:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD01F8FC0A for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:35:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from russet.local (reflex.squiz.co.uk [83.217.109.164]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2GEZGi0091091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:35:24 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p2GEZGi0091091 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1300286124; bh=obYQHs2IiJcfWOmhKOIBABJOi91v3CVmUffNfIqSvwY=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4D80CA9D.9010506@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20W ed,=2016=20Mar=202011=2014:35:09=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.15)=20Gecko/20110303=20Thunderbird/3.1.9|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Updating=2 0OpenSSH|References:=20|In-Reply-To:=20| X-Enigmail-Version:=201.1.1|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20 micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature "=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig34D02501BB4635F80E94F258" ; b=G9xaVrI9HlH99VUxerPtFzEbT+BKxm4oDIltERqVoOuhCNNk2XUs9y01/8tJFGNKQ yI/6VyacLh58qs2xVKDaxk9kWyZIZo9Ii2Rt0T4yXrmwF7JeLkt493uskVJsXlMG6H BS+KvIYmsHP2pBbLoLDUhsdbRDChmUdFlRRfpDOo= X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host reflex.squiz.co.uk [83.217.109.164] claimed to be russet.local Message-ID: <4D80CA9D.9010506@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:35:09 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig34D02501BB4635F80E94F258" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: Updating OpenSSH X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:35:28 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig34D02501BB4635F80E94F258 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 16/03/2011 13:38, Carmel wrote: > I was just wondering about the version of SSH used on FreeBSD. >=20 > According to the OpenSSH page: >=20 > OpenSSH 5.8/5.8p1 released February 4, 2011 [contains security fix] >=20 > Now, according to my system, FreeBSD-8.2, I have this version: >=20 > OpenSSH_5.4p1 FreeBSD-20100308, OpenSSL 0.9.8q 2 Dec 2010 >=20 > # openssl version > OpenSSL 1.0.0d 8 Feb 2011 >=20 > So why is an older version shown? Also, when does the FreeBSD > team intend to update the system OpenSSH version? >=20 > I have the following notation in my /etc/make.conf file: >=20 > WITH_OPENSSL_PORT=3Dyes >=20 > Should I have something else also? I have FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE installed.= >=20 The version of OpenSSH shipped with any release of the OS is exceedingly unlikely to be updated within the lifetime of that release. Not unless there was a killer problem, and it turned out easier to update the whole shebang rather than just patching the problem. Why wasn't OpenSSH updated in stable/8 before 8.2-RELEASE? Good question. I don't actually know. It's quite possible that no one had sufficient spare cycles to do the work required, and that the changes between 5.4 and 5.8 were not sufficiently compelling for anyone to make the time. As for security vulnerabilities: did you check on the OpenSSH site? The vulnerability fixed in 5.8 (information leak in signed SSH keys) only applies to versions 5.6 and 5.7 -- that's because the whole 'signed key' thing isn't in version 5.4 at all. I can tell you that the FreeBSD Security Team is extremely efficient and would have had patches and security advisories out for this problem within a matter of hours of the OpenSSH announcement *if it had been relevant*. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig34D02501BB4635F80E94F258 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk2AyqQACgkQ8Mjk52CukIydlwCfUfY3+q+MVFFyQ8npRH+J6IEv BHwAmgIska/E47zeXd+8RiA99PX6lrGn =OHmr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig34D02501BB4635F80E94F258-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 14:39:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B71106566C for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:39:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D6F8FC0A for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:39:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so2018842iwn.13 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.64.67 with SMTP id xh3mr65463icb.363.1300286353780; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tech304 (supranet-tech.secure-on.net [66.170.8.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jv9sm617088icb.1.2011.03.16.07.39.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201103121802.10051.lumiwa@gmail.com> <4D806B5D.9060308@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:39:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Mark Felder" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4D806B5D.9060308@herveybayaustralia.com.au> User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.10 (FreeBSD) Subject: Re: android phone -pc-ineternet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:39:14 -0000 On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:48:45 -0500, Da Rock wrote: > IF I understand you correctly here, you need to configure the wifi > connection on your phone, and have a wifi access point available. Else- > see above... No, he's referring to wired tethering over USB. This is the preferred way of tethering to your phone because it doesn't drain your battery or start your phone on fire :) I've not had success with it on FreeBSD but I must admit I haven't put much effort into it. Regards, Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 14:42:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FC8106564A for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:42:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lconrad@Go2France.com) Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [81.255.84.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 880E78FC0A for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:42:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VirusGate.MEIway.com (virusgate.meiway.com [81.255.84.76]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 8DCB047184D for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:42:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [81.255.84.73]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC74B3865B4 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:42:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from lconrad@Go2France.com) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:42:44 +0100 Message-Id: <201103161542.AA361693344@mail.Go2France.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Len Conrad" X-Sender: To: X-Mailer: Subject: bind 98 make fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lconrad@Go2France.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:42:32 -0000 FreeBSD 8.2 i386 kern dev distribution as 42-bit VM on host ESXi 4.1 portsnap fetch extract cd /usr/ports/dns/bind98 make Options for bind98 9.8.0 | | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | [X] SSL Building without OpenSSL removes DNSSEC | | [X] LINKS Create conf file symlinks in /usr/local | | [X] XML Support for xml statistics output | | [X] IDN Add IDN support to dig, host, etc. | | [X] REPLACE_BASE Replace base BIND with this version | | [ ] LARGE_FILE 64-bit file support | | [X] SIGCHASE dig/host/nslookup will do DNSSEC validation | | [X] IPV6 IPv6 Support (autodetected by default) | | [X] THREADS Compile with thread support | | [ ] DLZ_POSTGRESQL DLZ Postgres driver | | [ ] DLZ_MYSQL DLZ MySQL driver (single-threaded BIND) | | [ ] DLZ_BDB DLZ BDB driver | | [ ] DLZ_LDAP DLZ LDAP driver | | [ ] DLZ_FILESYSTEM DLZ filesystem driver | | [ ] DLZ_STUB DLZ stub driver make: don't know how to make /usr/ports/dns/bind98 /work/.build_done.bind98._usr_local. Stop *** Error code 2 thanks Len From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 15:11:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F851065672 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:11:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C830A8FC12 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PzsNF-0002Hd-U1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:10:59 -0700 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:10:55 -0700 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:10:55 -0700 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110316151055.GA88946@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D7FE8E1.90600@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> <201103160925.59230.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> <19840.16752.255942.50511@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <19840.16752.255942.50511@jerusalem.litteratus.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:11:01 -0000 --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Robert Huff on Wednesday, 16 March 2011: > Erich Dollansky writes: >=20 > > > The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to > > > choose from. > > =20 > > when it comes to screwing, we use - at least outside the USA - > > metric screws. M3, M4 ... M10 ...=20 > > =20 > > We do not care much who manufactured them. > > =20 > > The software industry is still far away from this. >=20 > ... in part, because the definition of a "screw" is not yet > fixed. >=20 Microsoft seems to understand the definition of "screw" well enough for its own purposes. The rest of us just don't like being on the receiving end of it. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNgNL/AAoJEIpckszW26+R7AcIAMqJZvZsNEWfT2iDa0b1sepZ W4MddiIqFrH1kfRHESKjqmv7TpdQpiIIGTKUBGOoeyWlByt48BTYed2ZG08rc+ab InrEbzaVxz6DWjJKTLYYYN1PnjnPb4PLLpQO0pezA/4R52eYyfJfOR3jcqKmh5ob kVSvlYu2nqjNpReL9/ivUvIoRQwu0avFyTKFOjiBV9fbP8SyMaa6R6zD+F01MnYw mMp/UeAqWa1LKg/0JR7vDmIFfWnVulpDdOSppqwSuACXL0J8RufYhGpIHCOHIvch k1+RJBF9djwugIMIIV7Z0f2SQv5PLtyc4UXYXnFfC4wPSmd3cY6yHh6U1GPtoCo= =Y9j9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 15:27:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E9A106566B for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:27:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24EDC8FC17 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PzsdL-0006Py-TX for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:27:37 -0700 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:27:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:27:33 -0700 From: Chip Camden To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110316152733.GB88946@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20110307162153.0463fa73@atmarama.net> <20110307170014.GB65289@guilt.hydra> <4D7FE8E1.90600@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> <4D8058C5.7070502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110316073045.5b0f876b@scorpio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NDin8bjvE/0mNLFQ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110316073045.5b0f876b@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:27:38 -0000 --NDin8bjvE/0mNLFQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Jerry on Wednesday, 16 March 2011: > On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:29:25 +0000 > Matthew Seaman articulated: >=20 > > On 16/03/2011 00:37, Jerry wrote: > > > Microsoft has approximately 90% of the desktop market share with > > > everyone else dividing up the remainder. If you are on a Microsoft > > > platform you use their products. The same applies to other platforms > > > and their utilities. > >=20 > > Microsoft may once have had 90% of the desktop market -- but is that > > still true? Macs seem to be everywhere nowadays. > >=20 > > Also, how important is 'desktop' nowadays, compared to mobile browsers > > and the like? If the iPhone doesn't support Flash, then anyone with > > any sense is going to provide an HTML5 alternative. >=20 > There are numerous sites with purport to state the latest statistics > on OS usage, etc. This is just one that I have used before. I obviously > cannot verify its accuracy. As far as I can tell, it is an impartial > assessment. >=20 > http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=3D8 >=20 That's interesting and all, but what does such a sampling really tell you? By contrast, if I look at Google Analytics for the OS makeup of visitors to chipstips.com, I get only 50% Windows, 44% Mac, 5% Linux, and 1% Android. (I'm not sure where *BSD gets classified in that scheme). So the number you pay attention to is the number that applies to what you're trying to find out. If you're looking at trends for investment, then you need to look at growth/shrinkage rather than fixed market share. If you're wondering how you should target your applications, then look at usage (and growth) within your target user base (which may or may not include home or small business users, for example). How you obtain those numbers has to vary depending. I don't have hard data to back it up, but it seems to me that an awful lot of Windows users are such merely due to inertia. More technologically inclined users (a growing segment) tend (but not exclusively) to prefer other platforms. At least, that's what I'm seeing among my clients, readers, and associates. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --NDin8bjvE/0mNLFQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNgNblAAoJEIpckszW26+RDqEH/RSNbLUYCPQThID+50uMSlVL 5shtlqTJSGKzbjZ51ts84R88hcQInNDlJWcpg9QFOMCOy8UIygXyVAKGboya8cjp vEz2cfWLgVj7WgB3Y4SO12cure8cyQjmxMnq4GOM5V+z5EGiOPz1bkuRKGvCGooK wg8r0U+DrHJp13Y16Y8Y9Sr62jzyeg3e+Tr2KYZGrnQgzW0q222bp9gWYtnFOve2 Hyqy1IbXBDxhWBJdc5M5QbwszMi2dz21HeE4VwBxOnLB56dvtG+9EXAuzFXnEBWy afR+StJDZZ5OUoKTnnuwHWG5FUk8vPYXZaqwtGI0beocpNtUDsb3Jujm511toUE= =l9UA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NDin8bjvE/0mNLFQ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 17:08:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81AD4106566B for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:08:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 494BA8FC0A for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:08:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 23491 invoked by uid 0); 16 Mar 2011 17:08:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2011 17:08:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=kkFdY8FpxpDn5OA+g4OXovjySvIFt7ZsqgeSoxcrHAsmes3zJfaHF7ITOiv8lycCg0OWpiMhXpy+/gWVyJaGIxZrPyyKRCKj1VgEDjqbbMuT+u7YlxxM0tJFwCEUzK04; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PzuD4-0001LO-0O for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:08:35 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:56:56 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:56:56 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110316165656.GA9945@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D7FE8E1.90600@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> <201103160925.59230.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201103160925.59230.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:08:38 -0000 --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 09:25:59AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > On Wednesday 16 March 2011 07:37:53 Jerry wrote: > > > > Now, as far as HAL goes, the fragmented open-source community cannot > > even begin to agree on its replacement. Every distro is busy trying to >=20 > It looks like a bunch of little Napoleons. =2E . . just like the plethora of warring closed "standards" produced by closed source software vendors. It's an epidemic, really. I believe that a major factor in determining the practical standardization of a policy or design, as measured in widespread adoption and portability, is the lack of restrictions in how it is implemented, used, distributed, et cetera, aside from the basic definition of what is compatible with the standard. This means that EULAs, copyleft licenses, patents, and other restrictions on use and deployment tend to kill widespread adoption as a practical "standard", especially when there is no singly market-dominating corporation leading the charge for adoption. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk2A69gACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUcDwCg55mI3sTW9TD21bBWFojsPfzT g8AAn1JL2ofjOkPMbuZBqNJuJnxWMD/8 =siPX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 17:23:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A90C1065675 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:23:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 567428FC12 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:23:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 12095 invoked by uid 0); 16 Mar 2011 17:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2011 17:23:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=Ulgj1ZQQe6N77XZHI7Y4y/5f+N8bTSJ3jg9iBWPsTBOfu23VJ7GmIgK2H/SRNJCmr4/pqofGT6iT4A+8jI5Lr620pM1zP7qVNF+FUvRNVNgRgD1aLW7GHmEgSD/coPlX; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PzuRo-0000mI-2I for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:23:49 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:12:10 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:12:10 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110316171210.GB9945@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20110307162153.0463fa73@atmarama.net> <20110307170014.GB65289@guilt.hydra> <4D7FE8E1.90600@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> <4D8058C5.7070502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110316073045.5b0f876b@scorpio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hQiwHBbRI9kgIhsi" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110316073045.5b0f876b@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:23:50 -0000 --hQiwHBbRI9kgIhsi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 07:30:45AM -0400, Jerry wrote: >=20 > There are numerous sites with purport to state the latest statistics on > OS usage, etc. This is just one that I have used before. I obviously > cannot verify its accuracy. As far as I can tell, it is an impartial > assessment. Just keep in mind that it doesn't hve to be partial to be wrong, of course. Data gathering for things like this is notoriously subject to selection biases and other obscuring factors. For instance, a surprising number of people set their browser user agent strings to non-default values to deal with Websites that refuse to display for anything but IE versions greater than or equal to 5.0, and business-oriented market share figures usually count only unit sales (which excludes free stuff and doesn't discount cases where people throw it away right away). Statistical analysis is not nearly as easy to get right as people usually think it is (including most statisticians). >=20 > In an interesting side note, another article that I read recently and > am trying to locate at this moment states that 50% of users who > switched to MAC from Windows in the last 5 years are now seriously > considering dumping it and moving to a Windows 7 machine. Their biggest > complain was with the added complexity of doing routine tasks. A lack > of job specific software was also mentioned. Exactly what that entails > I have no idea. Apparently, keyboard users found Windows easier to use > and maneuver. I am a mouse person myself so I would not be able to > comment on that even if I used a MAC. =2E . . and yet, a majority of those people would probably extol the virtues of the mouse if I introduced them to vi. Funny how that works. >=20 > In any case, the subject declaring "HAL must die" if no longer > relevant. It is all ready dead, except on FreeBSD. Even its author has > declared it so. The real question is how long are the developers of the > fragmented open-source community going to continue to display > testosterone poisoning by refusing to come together and develop one > common interface/API or whatever they want to declare it to be that > works on all the competing distros and thereby helps to unite the > open-source community? The sad part is even if that did happen, each > distro would then refuse to use it because it was not licensed > according to their own specifications. Yes indeed, you have to love > standards, there are so many of them. Especially for security software and stuff meant to act as a de facto portable standard, people need to learn to grow up and release things under copyfree licenses so everybody can use them. 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Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.157.148 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:05:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:05:45 +0300 Message-ID: From: Ilya Kazakevich To: bf1783@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "b. f." , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Booting from firmware RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:05:47 -0000 My boot0 freezes. I found discussion where guy told that extipl works fine but boot0 not because extipl uses LBA instead of CHS and some raids do not support CHS. It is new to me that BIOS allows LBA but I will try extipl now. On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 5:11 PM, b. f. wrote: > > This is probably more PC-specific than freebsd-specific question. I have > > intel firmware raid. OS needs drivers to work with it. FreeBSD sees it as > > ar0, so it has drivers. > > But I want my OS to be installed on this drive and boot from it. It is > not > > good idea, but I really want to do it:) > > Is it possible? > > > > boot0 and boot1 both work with HDD via BIOS interrupts and CHS, right? > So, > > how do they know how to access RAID? They has no drivers. > > Or BIOS supports interrupts to access RAID with out of drivers? If so -- > > what for drivers are needed? To access drive via ATA interface? > > > > Is it possible to boot freebsd from "firmware raid"? > > Sometimes: it depends on the firmware, and your bios. I had a add-in > PCIe SATA RAID controller based on a Marvell SE9128 chipset, and using > a Marvell firmware. The bios and the FreeBSD 9-CURRENT bootloader > were able to boot from a JBOD drive attached to the controller, up > until the point where the ahci driver tried to take control of the > drive. Then the Marvell firmware presented a fictitious configuration > to the ahci driver and returned invalid device signatures, so the boot > process failed. On the same machine, however, I was able to boot > without problems from a JBOD drive attached to a PCI-X SATA RAID > controller based on the Silicon Image SiI3124 chipset, using a Silicon > Image firmware. > > b. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 18:12:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170621065677 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:12:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97BB8FC13 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:12:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so567180ewy.13 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:12:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.14.20 with SMTP id e20mr263543eba.28.1300299129388; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.119.1 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:12:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.17.209] In-Reply-To: <20110316004351.GA6614@guilt.hydra> References: <20110307162153.0463fa73@atmarama.net> <20110307170014.GB65289@guilt.hydra> <4D7FE8E1.90600@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> <20110316004351.GA6614@guilt.hydra> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:12:09 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:12:11 -0000 On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > The largest possible paying audience is generally everybody capable of > using an open standard. Since we're talking about video, though, it's worth noting that there don't appear to *be* any truly open video compression standards. They're *all* patent-encumbered. Google tried with VP8, but it looks like that may infringe patents as well. (It hasn't been settled in court, so it's hard to be sure, but some competitors are making rumblings about suing over it.) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 18:21:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EEEF106564A for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:21:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 14F488FC1B for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 17151 invoked by uid 0); 16 Mar 2011 18:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2011 18:21:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=E2pXFWp3JxU2JmJT+ZxOz95xnGiKGibhMI4Dwt8zpmF0moWdhtqhOt1ijhBL3phZQWDvxE3C3yX/aH6h2ttSa6bnfVDVJ/I/IcBrcplDm2oPS1qxfXgIw75kSmDgIDmZ; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PzvLQ-00009G-9v for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:21:17 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:09:38 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:09:38 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110316180938.GA10333@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20110307162153.0463fa73@atmarama.net> <20110307170014.GB65289@guilt.hydra> <4D7FE8E1.90600@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> <20110316004351.GA6614@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:21:18 -0000 --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:12:09AM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > The largest possible paying audience is generally everybody capable of > > using an open standard. >=20 > Since we're talking about video, though, it's worth noting that there > don't appear to *be* any truly open video compression standards. > They're *all* patent-encumbered. Google tried with VP8, but it looks > like that may infringe patents as well. (It hasn't been settled in > court, so it's hard to be sure, but some competitors are making > rumblings about suing over it.) It's certainly true that video is a bit of a "sticky widget" with regard to open standards. The moment someone develops something that is verifiably free of patent encumbrances for video and doesn't just *suck*, I expect that either it will achieve escape velocity in mere moments to become the most widely deployed type of video in the world, or the guy who created it will die under mysterious circumstances and his heirs will somehow arrange to dummy up a patent application in his name with the help of whoever's going to buy the patent from those heirs. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEUEARECAAYFAk2A/OIACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUjaACgylfB8o+tOBn/8WmV0UonqNyb WykAl2nTFYbI99qYTfVtYZBdpKjQN+g= =GfEF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 18:24:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AAB7106564A for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:24:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc4-s27.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s27.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.166]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5235C8FC1A for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:24:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP173 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s27.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:24:35 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [174.109.142.1] X-Originating-Email: [carmel_ny@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ([174.109.142.1]) by BLU0-SMTP173.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:24:34 -0700 Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 89FDEE54833 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:24:31 -0400 From: Carmel To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <4D80CA9D.9010506@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <4D80CA9D.9010506@infracaninophile.co.uk> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2011 18:24:34.0908 (UTC) FILETIME=[66B2A9C0:01CBE407] Subject: Re: Updating OpenSSH X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:24:36 -0000 On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:35:09 +0000 Matthew Seaman articulated: > On 16/03/2011 13:38, Carmel wrote: > > I was just wondering about the version of SSH used on FreeBSD. > > > > According to the OpenSSH page: > > > > OpenSSH 5.8/5.8p1 released February 4, 2011 [contains security fix] > > > > Now, according to my system, FreeBSD-8.2, I have this version: > > > > OpenSSH_5.4p1 FreeBSD-20100308, OpenSSL 0.9.8q 2 Dec 2010 > > > > # openssl version > > OpenSSL 1.0.0d 8 Feb 2011 > > > > So why is an older version shown? Also, when does the FreeBSD > > team intend to update the system OpenSSH version? > > > > I have the following notation in my /etc/make.conf file: > > > > WITH_OPENSSL_PORT=yes > > > > Should I have something else also? I have FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE > > installed. > > > > The version of OpenSSH shipped with any release of the OS is > exceedingly unlikely to be updated within the lifetime of that > release. Not unless there was a killer problem, and it turned out > easier to update the whole shebang rather than just patching the > problem. > > Why wasn't OpenSSH updated in stable/8 before 8.2-RELEASE? Good > question. I don't actually know. It's quite possible that no one had > sufficient spare cycles to do the work required, and that the changes > between 5.4 and 5.8 were not sufficiently compelling for anyone to > make the time. OK, then does that mean that the latest version will be used in the still not released 9 version of FreeBSD? > As for security vulnerabilities: did you check on the OpenSSH site? > The vulnerability fixed in 5.8 (information leak in signed SSH keys) > only applies to versions 5.6 and 5.7 -- that's because the whole > 'signed key' thing isn't in version 5.4 at all. No, all I did was check for the current version. > I can tell you that the FreeBSD Security Team is extremely efficient > and would have had patches and security advisories out for this > problem within a matter of hours of the OpenSSH announcement *if it > had been relevant*. -- Carmel carmel_ny@hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 18:33:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3371065675 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:33:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout024.mac.com (asmtpout024.mac.com [17.148.16.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649AE8FC15 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:33:00 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp024.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-18.01 64bit (built Jul 15 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LI5009XGY6OKF00@asmtp024.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:32:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-03-16_02:2011-03-16, 2011-03-16, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=1 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1103160109 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:32:48 -0700 Message-id: <7301A0F7-8E70-40E8-B27F-6D67FFA41F2A@mac.com> References: <4D80CA9D.9010506@infracaninophile.co.uk> To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Subject: Re: Updating OpenSSH X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:33:00 -0000 On Mar 16, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Carmel wrote: > OK, then does that mean that the latest version will be used in the > still not released 9 version of FreeBSD? Currently, no-- TRUNK has: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/src/crypto/openssh/version.h Revision 1.41: download - view: text, markup, annotated - select for diffs Thu Nov 11 11:46:19 2010 UTC (4 months ago) by des Branches: MAIN CVS tags: HEAD Diff to: previous 1.40: preferred, colored Changes since revision 1.40: +3 -3 lines SVN rev 215116 on 2010-11-11 11:46:19Z by des Upgrade to OpenSSH 5.6p1. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 18:36:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F8FD106564A; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:36:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from mail.mroute.net (lax-gw08.mailroute.net [199.89.0.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D1E8FC18; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:36:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lax-gw08.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1DC299DB8; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:36:27 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by lax-gw08.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB54299DAE; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:36:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 363EC2515; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:36:26 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: FreeBSD Questions Cc: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <21D3DE2D-2C1E-4C7B-860E-C637C746150A@forsythia.net> <86lj0j9cwd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86hbb6aply.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <78E237A573166F9C62551A78@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <864o76abzp.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.18.3.14; tzolkin = 8 Ix; haab = 7 Cumku Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:36:26 -0700 In-Reply-To: <864o76abzp.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> (Randal L. Schwartz's message of "Sun, 13 Mar 2011 15:31:38 -0700") Message-ID: <86hbb2x68l.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:36:28 -0000 >>>>> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz writes: Randal> OK, so I'll appeal to the rest of freebsd-questions, since you can't Randal> answer with authority: Randal> can you upgrade from 8.1 to 8.2 using freebsd-update booting from Randal> ZFS as described at http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/, Randal> without having to go through the chicanry described at Randal> http://forums.freebsd.org/showpost.php?p=94557&postcount=19 - or is Randal> there an updated version of that post, or should that post be Randal> literally followed? Randal> SOMEONE here knows. Please help. So, nobody knows? Most of the other answers were about a source-code upgrade, not a binary upgrade. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 18:38:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1574E106564A for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:38:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67848FC17 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:38:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyg7 with SMTP id 7so571749eyg.13 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:38:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.4.143 with SMTP id 15mr288127ebr.9.1300300701349; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.119.1 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:38:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.17.209] In-Reply-To: <20110316180938.GA10333@guilt.hydra> References: <20110307162153.0463fa73@atmarama.net> <20110307170014.GB65289@guilt.hydra> <4D7FE8E1.90600@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> <20110316004351.GA6614@guilt.hydra> <20110316180938.GA10333@guilt.hydra> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:38:21 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:38:23 -0000 On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Chad Perrin wrote: > It's certainly true that video is a bit of a "sticky widget" with regard > to open standards. =A0The moment someone develops something that is > verifiably free of patent encumbrances for video and doesn't just *suck*, > I expect that either it will achieve escape velocity in mere moments to > become the most widely deployed type of video in the world, or the guy > who created it will die under mysterious circumstances and his heirs will > somehow arrange to dummy up a patent application in his name with the > help of whoever's going to buy the patent from those heirs. The problem is it'd have to be someone who's unemployed. ;) Any software company is going to want to patent something that valuable; they'd be failing their shareholders if they didn't. We may just have to wait for the patents to expire on some older but still viable codecs, much like eventually happened with GIF. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 19:19:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874E71065673 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:19:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44B2E8FC08 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:19:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1PzwFl-0003E2-7o>; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:19:29 +0100 Received: from e178022071.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.22.71] helo=thor.walstatt.dyndns.org) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1PzwFl-0008D4-3x>; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:19:29 +0100 Message-ID: <4D810D40.4020905@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:19:28 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110305 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Al Plant References: <4D808FB8.6010503@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4D80FD2D.3060609@hdk5.net> In-Reply-To: <4D80FD2D.3060609@hdk5.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 85.178.22.71 Cc: Manolis Kiagias , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD CURRENT custom ISO install image: howto? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:19:30 -0000 On 03/16/11 19:10, Al Plant wrote: > O. Hartmann wrote: >> I'm desperately looking for howto creating my own FreeBSD >> 9.0-CURRENT/amd64 custom installation DVD. Google delivers a lot of >> outdated stuff and I wasn't able to find some hints in the handbook, >> so maybe one here can help. >> >> I've already all sources via 'svn' (no CVS) on the local box. The >> intention is to be able to use new bsdinstall instead of sysinstall >> for having GPT partitions. >> >> Please set me CC if responding. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Oliver >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > Aloha Oliver, > > On the list is Manolis Kiagias. He makes install disks possible. > > I also copied him on this reply. He helped me with making an install > disk for my projects and he can most likely point you to his how to > methods. > Hello out there. Thank you very much. The last time I tried making a install media from a local installation is quite a lot of years since. I found " man release(7)" very helpful, but at the end it turns out that I didn't understood what is happening. I tried to fullfill all prerequisites needed to make a release, i.e. 1) having a populated /usr/src (SVN managed), I recently made a 'make buildworld', I created a suitable release-folder to chroot to for the release and I issued MAKE_DVD=yes and MAKE_ISOS=yes to ensure the build of ISO images for a DVD. I'll show the command issued at the end. But the build-process seems to drop everything it builds into /usr/src/release (from where the commande 'make release' has to be issued as docuemnted in 'release (7)'. Here's the command: Folders /home/release and /usr/src exists, 'make buildworld' has been issued and successfully finished. The following commands are issued regarding the release (7) manpage: cd /usr/src/release make release SVNROOT=/usr/src NODOC=yes MAKE_DVD=yes MAKE_ISOS=yes\ CHROOTDIR=/home/release BUILDNAME=SOMETHING_NEW I do not ommit TARGET_ARCH and TARGET since I do not crossbuild (I'm on amd64). The outcome is that the make-release process seems to flood /usr/src/release as it never 'chroot' to the given CHROOTDIR. I'm not familiar with this and I exepct this to be a kind of mistake. Correct me if I'm wrong. Regards, Oliver From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 19:47:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47937106566C for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:47:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc4-s35.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s35.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F415B8FC15 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:47:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP111 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s35.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:47:43 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [174.109.142.1] X-Originating-Email: [carmel_ny@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ([174.109.142.1]) by BLU0-SMTP111.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:47:42 -0700 Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3E2A4E54833 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:47:35 -0400 From: Carmel To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <7301A0F7-8E70-40E8-B27F-6D67FFA41F2A@mac.com> References: <4D80CA9D.9010506@infracaninophile.co.uk> <7301A0F7-8E70-40E8-B27F-6D67FFA41F2A@mac.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2011 19:47:42.0424 (UTC) FILETIME=[037D3580:01CBE413] Subject: Re: Updating OpenSSH X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:47:44 -0000 On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:32:48 -0700 Chuck Swiger articulated: > On Mar 16, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Carmel wrote: > > OK, then does that mean that the latest version will be used in the > > still not released 9 version of FreeBSD? > > Currently, no-- TRUNK has: > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/src/crypto/openssh/version.h > > Revision 1.41: download - view: text, markup, annotated - select for > diffs Thu Nov 11 11:46:19 2010 UTC (4 months ago) by des > Branches: MAIN > CVS tags: HEAD > Diff to: previous 1.40: preferred, colored > Changes since revision 1.40: +3 -3 lines > SVN rev 215116 on 2010-11-11 11:46:19Z by des > > Upgrade to OpenSSH 5.6p1. Out of some sort of morbid curiosity, why would the FreeBSD developers not update to the latest version? It appears to be stable and I have not seen anything to state otherwise. There are apparently, (obviously) differences between the latest and the version presently used in FreeBSD and I assume the proposed one for the 9.x branch. Mathew alluded to that. In any case, since 9.x is not due out for a while, it would appear to me me anyways that now would be a good time to consider making the switch. Just my 2Ā¢. -- Carmel carmel_ny@hotmail.com The latest toy has just hit the shops - a talking Muslim doll. Nobody knows what the hell it says because no one's got the balls to pull the cord. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 20:14:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF3A106564A for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:14:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F9928FC19 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:14:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.magehandbook.com (mail.darkmindweb.com [192.168.1.100]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41FDA2845B for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 152.121.16.253 (SquirrelMail authenticated user daniel) by www.magehandbook.com with HTTP; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:14:36 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <86hbb2x68l.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <21D3DE2D-2C1E-4C7B-860E-C637C746150A@forsythia.net> <86lj0j9cwd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86hbb6aply.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <78E237A573166F9C62551A78@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <864o76abzp.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86hbb2x68l.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:14:36 -0400 From: "Daniel Staal" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: DStaal@usa.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:14:37 -0000 On Wed, March 16, 2011 2:36 pm, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > > Randal> SOMEONE here knows. Please help. > > So, nobody knows? > > Most of the other answers were about a source-code upgrade, not a binary > upgrade. I thought Matthew Seamans' answer sounded pretty definitive: > A system update via freebsd-update or otherwise won't touch whatever > bootblocks you have installed. So if you have already installed > gptzfsboot and your system already boots ZFS v12 then it will continue to > boot ZFS v12 without your touching anything to do with boot blocks. > > However, with the 8.1 -> 8.2 upgrade, you get (inter-alia) ZFS v13 > support (I think it's v13 -- all my personal kit is running the stable/8 > v28 patchset...) plus equivalent zpool version bump. The 8.1 bootblocks > don't understand ZFS v13. If you wish to update the on-disk formats of > your ZFS stuff: 'zpool upgrade -a' or 'zfs upgrade -a' then you *will* > need to reinstall the gptzfsboot boot-blocks. > > You don't have to update the ZFS formats, but you'll miss out on various > performance and bug-fixes if you don't. > > Given that the gptzfsboot boot blocks are backwards compatible to older > ZFS versions, highly recommended to update the boot blocks even if you > aren't intending to upgrade the ZFS bits just yet. Just as an > anti-foot-shooting measure. By that: You don't _have_ to do anything. But it is probably a good idea. Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 21:04:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9F3106566C for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:04:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@msen.com) Received: from shell.msen.com (msen.com [148.59.86.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9CD8FC0A for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:04:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Sent-To: Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net [68.40.255.141]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.msen.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p2GKZfTf071372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:35:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mark@msen.com) Message-ID: <4D811F1B.3020805@msen.com> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:35:39 -0400 From: Mark Moellering User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: Pass (sender authenticated); receiver=msen.com; client-ip=68.40.255.141; envelope-from= Received-SPF: Pass (sender authenticated); receiver=msen.com; client-ip=68.40.255.141; helo=[192.168.1.100] X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: shell.msen.com; Sender-ip: 68.40.255.141; Sender-helo: [192.168.1.100]; ) Subject: postfix / windows live mail problems (possibly OT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:04:04 -0000 I recently set up a postfix mail server on freebsd 8.1 with dovecot. I am having trouble sending mail using Windows Live Mail. The error I see in the logfiles is: Mar 16 13:13:57 mail postfix/smtpd[5159]: connect from c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[68.40.255.141] Mar 16 13:13:57 mail postfix/smtpd[5159]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[68.40.255.141]: 554 5.7.1 : Relay access denied; from= to= proto=ESMTP helo= Mar 16 13:13:57 mail postfix/smtpd[5159]: disconnect from c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[68.40.255.141] The error Windows Live displays is: Server Error: 554 Server Response: 554 5.7.1 : Relay access denied Server: 'mail.yyyy.com' Windows Live Mail Error ID: 0x800CCC79 Protocol: SMTP Port: 587 Secure(SSL): No If anyone can point me to a better list or otherwise help out, it would be greatly appreciated. Naturally, Thunderbird and KDE-Mail work fine... Mark Moellering Class-Creator . com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 21:04:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA10610656D1 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:04:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F8F78FC1A for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:04:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so2458704iwn.13 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:04:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :message-id; bh=WIpPd1Ml3BF+wuN58Qit3VXDVnSoH88cUj7vJ4maaAo=; b=vEYMSRwiGnYl0j9BQa2nKIs2JZl3WsukhUiQT25owhgzd7cKBrdRV9LSWnsHormOqS 4PLeZZ4fWkIUD9UNQUEsCqqlpQe49m4PVTk6kjabZp0gA1UCSMaZ2VkmDmzCQCgckN6I dZmP0zfuvF4LqaFfv9cNrt6uOp0j1+p+sjec4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=uOWyhL24x/noYopATMGO+hO4+F5MDiaYx1egdXvjXnqmu/VTH10VqLhheazJNvq6Gq EMQsTrKC2r0zRuN0FREf665thzmLDrRxd8Z/vLGB1DtYp1rhIQbsCt/6Nfc8wRzVxjkm kbA+nNp4UwHG52Kpvcv+Ar2ZQY13eiPo7BdL0= Received: by 10.42.138.68 with SMTP id b4mr640224icu.499.1300309471722; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from athena.wi.rr.com (cpe-184-58-138-79.wi.res.rr.com [184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id vm9sm763720icb.12.2011.03.16.14.04.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:04:30 -0700 (PDT) From: ajtiM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:04:24 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.2-RELEASE; KDE/4.5.5; i386; ; ) References: <201103121802.10051.lumiwa@gmail.com> <4D806B5D.9060308@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201103161604.24764.lumiwa@gmail.com> Cc: Mark Felder Subject: Re: android phone -pc-ineternet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:04:33 -0000 On Wednesday March 16 2011 09:39:11 Mark Felder wrote: > On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:48:45 -0500, Da Rock > > wrote: > > IF I understand you correctly here, you need to configure the wifi > > connection on your phone, and have a wifi access point available. Else- > > see above... > > No, he's referring to wired tethering over USB. This is the preferred way > of tethering to your phone because it doesn't drain your battery or start > your phone on fire :) > > I've not had success with it on FreeBSD but I must admit I haven't put > much effort into it. > > > Regards, > > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I want to connect a phone with usb to PC and use Internet through PC. At work Itried on MAC compuer and it easy but onn FreeBSD I don't know how. I don't have wirelless at home and I like to use wired... Mitja -------- http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 21:15:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBAA0106566C for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:15:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kazakevichilya@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525978FC08 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:15:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so2282263wyf.13 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:15:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=q6tzplmmQ+dTxkkfs6tHXJOUDNXj4t5uIGXYeAuXws0=; b=OmTGbAE4Rtmzq3bw+2YY3Llq3PfBexEzZxcizt7KHd0hrW8s4vUOerT5ucXDQlw+VF VivtEIvCGwt+T5AlZaI/o3WdgfNLxRZY8E4zfvIIgLXQW7l3bmmz4OM6lB9LU7XYbokr uIoLWr5BCa5zftpmIx9dMmsVhLaZwRCKHH81g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=lrGZdAK+qpCM158ORxnquNTzum65WjIiWpFz/Y91w5/Yqu3JSk3jzg+QiZ9+dJicNR APjTkyCRQd3WHzxNYsPCPzxbCDacJZudlc83n8FeUd2ACnqhGUoTSDcPG5X1RPx7a8A7 zUpW5l2N9TpDZcc8f33xSc/5GqUK5ux0WzwNg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.91.81 with SMTP id l17mr505454wbm.29.1300310129996; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.157.148 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:15:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4D811F1B.3020805@msen.com> References: <4D811F1B.3020805@msen.com> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:15:29 +0300 Message-ID: From: Ilya Kazakevich To: Mark Moellering Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: postfix / windows live mail problems (possibly OT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:15:31 -0000 Your postfix does not relay mails from this client. See http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html I suggest you to remove your IPs from messages next time. By the way, postfix should have its own mail-list, not freebsd:) On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Mark Moellering wrote: > I recently set up a postfix mail server on freebsd 8.1 with dovecot. I am > having trouble sending mail using Windows Live Mail. > The error I see in the logfiles is: > Mar 16 13:13:57 mail postfix/smtpd[5159]: connect from > c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[68.40.255.141] > Mar 16 13:13:57 mail postfix/smtpd[5159]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from > c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[68.40.255.141]: 554 5.7.1 < > mark@xxxx.com>: Relay access denied; from= to=< > mark@xxxx.com> proto=ESMTP helo= > Mar 16 13:13:57 mail postfix/smtpd[5159]: disconnect from > c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[68.40.255.141] > > The error Windows Live displays is: > > Server Error: 554 > Server Response: 554 5.7.1 : Relay access denied > Server: 'mail.yyyy.com' > Windows Live Mail Error ID: 0x800CCC79 > Protocol: SMTP > Port: 587 > Secure(SSL): No > > If anyone can point me to a better list or otherwise help out, it would be > greatly appreciated. Naturally, Thunderbird and KDE-Mail work fine... > > Mark Moellering > Class-Creator . com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 21:44:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8BE11065675 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:44:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from mail.mroute.net (lax-gw09.mailroute.net [199.89.0.109]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8458FC21 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:44:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lax-gw09.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ACB913851A; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:44:50 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by lax-gw09.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA1613850C; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:44:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4B9BA3411; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:44:49 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: DStaal@usa.net References: <21D3DE2D-2C1E-4C7B-860E-C637C746150A@forsythia.net> <86lj0j9cwd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86hbb6aply.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <78E237A573166F9C62551A78@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <864o76abzp.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86hbb2x68l.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.18.3.14; tzolkin = 8 Ix; haab = 7 Cumku Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:44:49 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Daniel Staal's message of "Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:14:36 -0400") Message-ID: <86ipviviy6.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:44:51 -0000 >>>>> "Daniel" == Daniel Staal writes: Daniel> On Wed, March 16, 2011 2:36 pm, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >> Randal> SOMEONE here knows. Please help. >> >> So, nobody knows? >> >> Most of the other answers were about a source-code upgrade, not a binary >> upgrade. Daniel> I thought Matthew Seamans' answer sounded pretty definitive: >> A system update via freebsd-update or otherwise won't touch whatever >> bootblocks you have installed. So if you have already installed >> gptzfsboot and your system already boots ZFS v12 then it will continue to >> boot ZFS v12 without your touching anything to do with boot blocks. But this was absolutely *not* the case with 8.0 to 8.1. I had tried it naively in a VM, and thank goodness, because the VM failed to boot. Then I googled, and found http://forums.freebsd.org/showpost.php?p=94557&postcount=19 which when I followed, and it worked fine. Thus, when I did my "live" 8.0 to 8.1 upgrades, I followed that extra "gpart bootcode" step, and everything worked fine. Therefore, Matthew Seaman can't be trusted with his answer. He apparently did not boot a ZFS-on-root disk with a freebsd-update from 8.0 to 8.1, or he would not have said what he did. The question I have is, does anyone know *definitively* if the same thing that broke 8.0 to 8.1 will also likely occur in 8.1 to 8.2, or does the bootloader in 8.2 now contain what /boot/gptzfsboot contained in 8.1? As in, does FreeBSD 8.2 now support *native* ZFS booting, or will it forever be a kluge? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 21:48:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C70106566C for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:48:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@msen.com) Received: from shell.msen.com (msen.com [148.59.86.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A01228FC1D for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:48:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Sent-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net [68.40.255.141]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.msen.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p2GLmcc5084233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:48:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mark@msen.com) Message-ID: <4D813034.5020501@msen.com> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:48:36 -0400 From: Mark Moellering User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ilya Kazakevich References: <4D811F1B.3020805@msen.com> In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: Pass (sender authenticated); receiver=msen.com; client-ip=68.40.255.141; envelope-from= Received-SPF: Pass (sender authenticated); receiver=msen.com; client-ip=68.40.255.141; helo=[192.168.1.100] X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: shell.msen.com; Sender-ip: 68.40.255.141; Sender-helo: [192.168.1.100]; ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: postfix / windows live mail problems (possibly OT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:48:39 -0000 My apologies, I could not find the postfix mailing list initially. (it has been a "Deal with Microsoft software" day...) I have now found the proper list, Thank You On 16-Mar-11 5:15 PM, Ilya Kazakevich wrote: > Your postfix does not relay mails from this client. > See http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html > > I suggest you to remove your IPs from messages next time. By the way, > postfix should have its own mail-list, not freebsd:) > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Mark Moellering > wrote: > > I recently set up a postfix mail server on freebsd 8.1 with > dovecot. I am having trouble sending mail using Windows Live Mail. > The error I see in the logfiles is: > Mar 16 13:13:57 mail postfix/smtpd[5159]: connect from > c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net > [68.40.255.141] > Mar 16 13:13:57 mail postfix/smtpd[5159]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT > from c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net > [68.40.255.141]: 554 > 5.7.1 >: Relay access denied; > from=> to= > proto=ESMTP helo= > Mar 16 13:13:57 mail postfix/smtpd[5159]: disconnect from > c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net > [68.40.255.141] > > The error Windows Live displays is: > > Server Error: 554 > Server Response: 554 5.7.1 >: > Relay access denied > Server: 'mail.yyyy.com ' > Windows Live Mail Error ID: 0x800CCC79 > Protocol: SMTP > Port: 587 > Secure(SSL): No > > If anyone can point me to a better list or otherwise help out, it > would be greatly appreciated. Naturally, Thunderbird and KDE-Mail > work fine... > > Mark Moellering > Class-Creator . com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 22:16:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6A81065673 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:16:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89AC38FC1D for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:16:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so976818gwb.13 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.103.35 with SMTP id e23mr584076yhg.18.1300313760447; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x27sm199024yhc.78.2011.03.16.15.15.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E24F5E54833 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:15:57 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110316181557.36ef4d54@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <4D813034.5020501@msen.com> References: <4D811F1B.3020805@msen.com> <4D813034.5020501@msen.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: postfix / windows live mail problems (possibly OT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:16:02 -0000 On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:48:36 -0400 Mark Moellering articulated: > My apologies, I could not find the postfix mailing list initially. > (it has been a "Deal with Microsoft software" day...) > I have now found the proper list, > Thank You Before posting to the Postfix list, follow the directions on the Postfix debug page: . In addition, lose the "Top Posting" technique. I can assure you it will not be appreciated there. Specifically: Reporting problems to postfix-users@postfix.org The people who participate on postfix-users@postfix.org are very helpful, especially if YOU provide them with sufficient information. Remember, these volunteers are willing to help, but their time is limited. When reporting a problem, be sure to include the following information. A summary of the problem. Please do not just send some logging without explanation of what YOU believe is wrong. Complete error messages. Please use cut-and-paste, or use attachments, instead of reciting information from memory. Output from "postconf -n". Please do not send your main.cf file, or 500+ lines of postconf output. Better, provide output from the postfinger tool. This can be found at http://ftp.wl0.org/SOURCES/postfinger. If the problem is SASL related, consider including the output from the saslfinger tool. This can be found at http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/saslfinger/. I use Windows Live Mail via Postfix all the time. I know it works quite well. You probably do not have SASL or some other simple thing configured incorrectly. This is not a Windows Live Mail problem. -- Jerry āœŒ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ The latest toy has just hit the shops - a talking Muslim doll. Nobody knows what the hell it says because no one's got the balls to pull the cord. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 22:17:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109A6106566C for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:17:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A4CB8FC1F for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2GMHQWs098126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:17:26 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p2GMHQWs098126 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1300313846; bh=VQa9fhzY1WnU/WrFBmMS7cF9m7UEMtwymFlcp8B7wyE=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4D8136E8.2050106@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20W ed,=2016=20Mar=202011=2022:17:12=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.15)=20Gecko/20110303=20Thunderbird/3.1.9|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Upgrading= 20FreeBSd=20when=20using=20a=20zfs-only=20installation?|References :=20<21D3DE2D-2C1E-4C7B-860E-C637C746150A@forsythia.net>=09<86lj0j 9cwd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>=09=09<86hbb6aply.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>= 09<78E237A573166F9C62551A78@mac-pro.magehandbook.com>=09<864o76abz p.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>=09<86hbb2x68l.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>=09 =2 0<86ipviviy6.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>|In-Reply-To:=20<86ipviviy6.fs f@red.stonehenge.com>|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.1.1|OpenPGP:=20id=3D 60AE908C|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3 B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20bounda ry=3D"------------enig3D581F6999A3C515F20EF5AA"; b=mP+phhQKgkyd2k++3tVahxopaI8gHVXGfBFL9S2UdDb/EZVgNxayydm0kbgr0aZ8+ zylrEccykPpZMyqTrt4ZfrAxL3hmxF6YaTHdlX4DFqDxGBrSEAsBR1c864MhbuuH3C LmSRtaWWwgLy2US1i3xNU49FnYB59LT/dc+mt4IQ= Message-ID: <4D8136E8.2050106@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:17:12 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <21D3DE2D-2C1E-4C7B-860E-C637C746150A@forsythia.net> <86lj0j9cwd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86hbb6aply.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <78E237A573166F9C62551A78@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <864o76abzp.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86hbb2x68l.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86ipviviy6.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> In-Reply-To: <86ipviviy6.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig3D581F6999A3C515F20EF5AA" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:17:30 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig3D581F6999A3C515F20EF5AA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 16/03/2011 21:44, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > Therefore, Matthew Seaman can't be trusted with his answer. He > apparently did not boot a ZFS-on-root disk with a freebsd-update from > 8.0 to 8.1, or he would not have said what he did. Gee. Thanks. I suggest you try out your update in a VM then, because I doubt anyone will produce an answer definitive enough for you. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig3D581F6999A3C515F20EF5AA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk2BNvUACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxfVwCfdVMKi2XcSB3YC7wlVERGsYut K2cAoI1gEIKnnrjK9Hp/a1LnH7tmuPPn =9qy9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig3D581F6999A3C515F20EF5AA-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 22:28:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ACAE106566B for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:28:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from mail.mroute.net (lax-gw02.mailroute.net [199.89.0.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2C58FC0C for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lax-gw02.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB091DEFD4; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:28:58 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by lax-gw02.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4461D1DEFD8; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:28:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3653D3900; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:28:56 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: Matthew Seaman References: <21D3DE2D-2C1E-4C7B-860E-C637C746150A@forsythia.net> <86lj0j9cwd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86hbb6aply.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <78E237A573166F9C62551A78@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <864o76abzp.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86hbb2x68l.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86ipviviy6.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <4D8136E8.2050106@infracaninophile.co.uk> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.18.3.14; tzolkin = 8 Ix; haab = 7 Cumku Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:28:56 -0700 In-Reply-To: <4D8136E8.2050106@infracaninophile.co.uk> (Matthew Seaman's message of "Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:17:12 +0000") Message-ID: <868vwevgwn.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:28:59 -0000 >>>>> "Matthew" == Matthew Seaman writes: Matthew> Gee. Thanks. Well, either you're not describing your actual experience, or I've misunderstood. I'm open to input. Are you trying to tell me that you were able to go from 8.0 to 8.1, using freebsd-update, with a ZFS-on-root boot? Or were you just saying "well, it *should* work", because it my experience it didn't. Matthew> I suggest you try out your update in a VM then, because I doubt anyone Matthew> will produce an answer definitive enough for you. Sure they can. I want someone who actually hacks the ZFS boot code to help me out. How do I reach them? Is ZFS a first-class FS now in the binary builds, or not? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 00:32:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD651065673 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:32:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 154DB8FC13 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:32:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.186]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8015D5C35 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:40:10 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4D8156A0.1040109@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:32:32 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20110204 Thunderbird/3.0.11 ThunderBrowse/3.3.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201103121802.10051.lumiwa@gmail.com> <4D806B5D.9060308@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: android phone -pc-ineternet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:32:29 -0000 On 03/17/11 00:39, Mark Felder wrote: > On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:48:45 -0500, Da Rock > wrote: > >> IF I understand you correctly here, you need to configure the wifi >> connection on your phone, and have a wifi access point available. >> Else- see above... > > > No, he's referring to wired tethering over USB. This is the preferred > way of tethering to your phone because it doesn't drain your battery > or start your phone on fire :) > > I've not had success with it on FreeBSD but I must admit I haven't put > much effort into it. > Me either. Another project for me to do in the near future. Although my new phone has 2.2 so I have a hotspot now... doesn't help the missus who really needs it though :( As for the OP- we still need clarification. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 00:58:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6164A1065670 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:58:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F368FC17 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:58:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.186]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4BF45C37 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:05:50 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4D815CA5.9060207@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:58:13 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20110204 Thunderbird/3.0.11 ThunderBrowse/3.3.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201103121802.10051.lumiwa@gmail.com> <4D806B5D.9060308@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <201103161604.24764.lumiwa@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <201103161604.24764.lumiwa@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: android phone -pc-ineternet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:58:09 -0000 On 03/17/11 07:04, ajtiM wrote: > On Wednesday March 16 2011 09:39:11 Mark Felder wrote: > >> On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:48:45 -0500, Da Rock >> >> wrote: >> >>> IF I understand you correctly here, you need to configure the wifi >>> connection on your phone, and have a wifi access point available. Else- >>> see above... >>> >> No, he's referring to wired tethering over USB. This is the preferred way >> of tethering to your phone because it doesn't drain your battery or start >> your phone on fire :) >> >> I've not had success with it on FreeBSD but I must admit I haven't put >> much effort into it. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Mark >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > I want to connect a phone with usb to PC and use Internet through PC. > At work Itried on MAC compuer and it easy but onn FreeBSD I don't know how. > I don't have wirelless at home and I like to use wired... > To do so you'd have to have a rooted Android system to change the routing. They're not designed to operate like that. As for the driver- I posted before that its a project to do... BTW can anyone confirm 8.3 release date and driver support for iPhone and/or Android? Although I'm reasonably sure iPhone uses a very different method than Android from my research. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 00:59:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BA1106564A for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:59:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 879888FC17 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:59:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.186]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7692F5C37 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:07:31 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4D815D0A.8050404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:59:54 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20110204 Thunderbird/3.0.11 ThunderBrowse/3.3.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110307162153.0463fa73@atmarama.net> <20110307170014.GB65289@guilt.hydra> <4D7FE8E1.90600@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> <20110316004351.GA6614@guilt.hydra> <20110316180938.GA10333@guilt.hydra> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:59:49 -0000 On 03/17/11 04:38, David Brodbeck wrote: > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Chad Perrin wrote: > >> It's certainly true that video is a bit of a "sticky widget" with regard >> to open standards. The moment someone develops something that is >> verifiably free of patent encumbrances for video and doesn't just *suck*, >> I expect that either it will achieve escape velocity in mere moments to >> become the most widely deployed type of video in the world, or the guy >> who created it will die under mysterious circumstances and his heirs will >> somehow arrange to dummy up a patent application in his name with the >> help of whoever's going to buy the patent from those heirs. >> > The problem is it'd have to be someone who's unemployed. ;) Any > software company is going to want to patent something that valuable; > they'd be failing their shareholders if they didn't. > Except a private company. > We may just have to wait for the patents to expire on some older but > still viable codecs, much like eventually happened with GIF. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 01:08:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2215E106564A for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 01:08:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD548FC12 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 01:08:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.186]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F995C37 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:15:58 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4D815F05.7090506@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:08:21 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20110204 Thunderbird/3.0.11 ThunderBrowse/3.3.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110307162153.0463fa73@atmarama.net> <20110307170014.GB65289@guilt.hydra> <4D7FE8E1.90600@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> <4D8058C5.7070502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110316073045.5b0f876b@scorpio> <20110316152733.GB88946@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> In-Reply-To: <20110316152733.GB88946@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 01:08:18 -0000 On 03/17/11 01:27, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Jerry on Wednesday, 16 March 2011: > >> On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:29:25 +0000 >> Matthew Seaman articulated: >> >> >>> On 16/03/2011 00:37, Jerry wrote: >>> >>>> Microsoft has approximately 90% of the desktop market share with >>>> everyone else dividing up the remainder. If you are on a Microsoft >>>> platform you use their products. The same applies to other platforms >>>> and their utilities. >>>> >>> Microsoft may once have had 90% of the desktop market -- but is that >>> still true? Macs seem to be everywhere nowadays. >>> >>> Also, how important is 'desktop' nowadays, compared to mobile browsers >>> and the like? If the iPhone doesn't support Flash, then anyone with >>> any sense is going to provide an HTML5 alternative. >>> >> There are numerous sites with purport to state the latest statistics >> on OS usage, etc. This is just one that I have used before. I obviously >> cannot verify its accuracy. As far as I can tell, it is an impartial >> assessment. >> >> http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 >> >> > That's interesting and all, but what does such a sampling really tell you? > By contrast, if I look at Google Analytics for the OS makeup of visitors > to chipstips.com, I get only 50% Windows, 44% Mac, 5% Linux, and 1% > Android. (I'm not sure where *BSD gets classified in that scheme). > BSD/Unix would either be compiled in with linux, or in the "other" category- usually the former, especially given the linux compatibility which gets used more than native for browsers. > So the number you pay attention to is the number that applies to what > you're trying to find out. If you're looking at trends for investment, > then you need to look at growth/shrinkage rather than fixed market share. > If you're wondering how you should target your applications, then look at > usage (and growth) within your target user base (which may or may not > include home or small business users, for example). How you obtain those > numbers has to vary depending. > > I don't have hard data to back it up, but it seems to me that an awful > lot of Windows users are such merely due to inertia. More > technologically inclined users (a growing segment) tend (but not > exclusively) to prefer other platforms. At least, that's what I'm seeing > among my clients, readers, and associates. > > But as mentioned in another post, the more technical may play with their UA settings to achieve compatibility. The trends would show a large number of mobile users due to a tablet boom- which most appear to be ignoring. Better to stick to recognised standards and be aware of the legal implications of failing to recognise the _whole_ community- if someone with disabilities can sue government entities and win on accessibility arguments, then the same would be true of platforms for interaction. Take a hint- it'll be cheaper in the long run... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 06:10:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7661065670 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 06:10:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 518EB8FC0C for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 06:10:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwc33 with SMTP id 33so3096029wwc.31 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 23:10:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kumAySGUmScjt3878bm+9mIjZHUKXlcxW0+Zcpq5GD0=; b=r/pzVVMj7YaVyolhUCip+EMjeNT3VKA7G6l1/kPhAjb5S1yqkDbH7cwwyfaFTx+sSr S17dQbNe33svLTJOv4jQeAc98gLFCD+iiSgQmjc+VbMuyMAmsnpmuBwISJmWXlViCptL V0qZbc4KvghW7IuJfIKRuT0XYQ3fJQuGATFE0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fhxkVblVjYQaM7+hqUll6pcbETU425gvFBiaL6eVPZAz12wdO/TDK3eW29LBbzGsvI X+cS3rnw7cZ14s3jdEcQ61G0+RSL3S0XO08COOBFGSYma0CkHuhsPxP6U+1pburW1u5M 9nyggJ2Bnk30WhFoaJgPmrU6ztsaYmwg/UsMw= Received: by 10.227.130.130 with SMTP id t2mr985813wbs.7.1300342253778; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 23:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Groseille.malikania.fr (65.21.102-84.rev.gaoland.net [84.102.21.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g7sm431760wby.48.2011.03.16.23.10.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 16 Mar 2011 23:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4D81A5F7.3030800@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 07:11:03 +0100 From: David Demelier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110306 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Fwd: Re: snd_hda, codec attaching randomly? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 06:10:55 -0000 > Hello, > > I've setup a brand new computer from scratch, it has two HDMI output > (via the on board and via the ati graphic card) with one codec for the > main board. > > Usually I have these pcm : > > pcm0: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 > pcm1: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac1 > pcm2: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac1 > pcm3: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac1 > pcm4: at cad 3 nid 1 on hdac1 > > But sometime when I boot the pcm4 disappear, with a lot of : > > hdac1: hdac_widget_connection_parse: nid=2 WARNING: zero cnid entnum=4 > j=0 index=0 entries=17 found=0 res=0x00000000 > hdac1: hdac_widget_connection_parse: nid=2 WARNING: zero cnid entnum=4 > j=1 index=0 entries=17 found=1 res=0x00000000 > hdac1: hdac_widget_connection_parse: nid=2 WARNING: zero cnid entnum=4 > j=2 index=0 entries=17 found=2 res=0x00000000 > hdac1: hdac_widget_connection_parse: nid=2 WARNING: zero cnid entnum=4 > j=3 index=0 entries=17 found=3 res=0x00000000 > [.. snip ..] > > Here you can see the normal dmesg file : > http://files.malikania.fr/normal.txt > > And here when the pcm disappear : > http://files.malikania.fr/notnormal.txt > > A simple diff from the files show some weird things: > > diff -ub normal.txt notnormal.txt > --- normal.txt 2011-03-10 08:06:14.000000000 +0100 > +++ notnormal.txt 2011-03-10 08:06:18.000000000 +0100 > @@ -116,24 +116,90 @@ > hdac0: HDA Codec #0: ATI R6xx HDMI > pcm0: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 > hdac1: HDA Codec #0: Realtek ALC888 > -hdac1: HDA Codec #3: Intel G45 HDMI > +hdac1: HDA Codec #3: Intel Q57 HDMI > +hdac1: hdac_widget_connection_parse: nid=2 WARNING: zero cnid entnum=4 > j=0 index=0 entries=17 found=0 res=0x00000000 > +hdac1: hdac_widget_connection_parse: nid=2 WARNING: zero cnid entnum=4 > j=1 index=0 entries=17 found=1 res=0x00000000 > > [... message repeated a lot of time ...] > > pcm1: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac1 > pcm2: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac1 > pcm3: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac1 > -pcm4: at cad 3 nid 1 on hdac1 > > Why does the HDMI codec is renamed to Q57? > > I didn't tweak snd_hda(4) much, I only added the following in my > /boot/devices.hints to get a proper jack-sense on my front panel: > > hint.hdac.1.cad0.nid27.config="as=1 seq=15" > > Cheers, > Oh I noticed something weird too: SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! -SMP: AP CPU #3 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #2 Launched! +SMP: AP CPU #3 Launched! It seems the order of CPU change? I know that the Intel GMA HD graphics needs a Intel CPU compatible to get this video chipset working. So maybe the audio codec is attaching to the wrong core? I have no really idea, it appears really randomly nothing can change the behavior Cheers, -- David Demelier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 10:46:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F28106566B for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:46:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA048FC0C for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:46:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so2784783wyf.13 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 03:46:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Uk9KxtcMg5rF2Lvp/Mgf0HlEG1wauBAty4XHfFdMPPo=; b=RoriBPOmbvcIl2l9de2VmIXNTukDM1bTrgp7PILUvm9MpsL7WcmO+gDG6NK//sd2l7 +peIlxPrg9qpBpQvSumP/7b1uE4Uad3UfoQAFaHlcxdQM44PJpWSANqguacZygZGXk8v jfpOUlqSuLGFg/xZr1isdekKztSmwgQ1SPk4g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=tpxBtcvWcw0iuhIvi3KS2s7butIu+R9D56T3JAsfod+nm9VQkNW+nSH/oKHkNmK9DO JQVVx7ytuFRP7LtBkanFIK5eYY6BmJLLI4JuNN6QZwq8mtpSS5Cs0sp178iD3tB+CwQv MHHRsXaGfejhcI6zu5140AWQmhFnpRndi9rfc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.243.136 with SMTP id k8mr1137207wer.114.1300358804617; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 03:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.187.16 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 03:46:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4D80CA9D.9010506@infracaninophile.co.uk> <7301A0F7-8E70-40E8-B27F-6D67FFA41F2A@mac.com> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:46:44 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Carmel Subject: Re: Updating OpenSSH X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:46:46 -0000 On 16 March 2011 19:47, Carmel wrote: > On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:32:48 -0700 > Chuck Swiger articulated: > > > On Mar 16, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Carmel wrote: > > > OK, then does that mean that the latest version will be used in the > > > still not released 9 version of FreeBSD? > > > > Currently, no-- TRUNK has: > > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/src/crypto/openssh/versi= on.h > > > > Revision 1.41: download - view: text, markup, annotated - select for > > diffs Thu Nov 11 11:46:19 2010 UTC (4 months ago) by des > > Branches: MAIN > > CVS tags: HEAD > > Diff to: previous 1.40: preferred, colored > > Changes since revision 1.40: +3 -3 lines > > SVN rev 215116 on 2010-11-11 11:46:19Z by des > > > > Upgrade to OpenSSH 5.6p1. > > Out of some sort of morbid curiosity, why would the FreeBSD developers > not update to the latest version? It appears to be stable and I have not > seen anything to state otherwise. There are apparently, (obviously) > differences between the latest and the version presently used in > FreeBSD and I assume the proposed one for the 9.x branch. Mathew > alluded to that. In any case, since 9.x is not due out for a while, it > would appear to me me anyways that now would be a good time to consider > making the switch. > > Just my 2=A2. > > -- > Carmel > carmel_ny@hotmail.com > > The latest toy has just hit the shops - a talking Muslim doll. Nobody > knows what the hell it says because no one's got the balls to pull the > cord. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > a combination of time and limited resources I guess. If it bugs you that much why dont you volunteer yourself to maintain it, i'm sure that if you dont feel competent enough at present, people will help and mentor you From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 10:51:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F731065670 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:51:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5921B8FC15 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:51:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so3135964iwn.13 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 03:51:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :message-id; bh=GVj8499xD8/iV1+PxBrJaIIZyRWNkVEpGYx8/qnFRPo=; b=T4exYgF2tiYG5x3VX81ZbpGipCol+MYpg4hMaopyzh/lL8haZ9K5FT+KU8gEoCBopo t+v6Ax6ETOCd9pcQQZuHFtQQZSdmXHQXJKaxAPCx3Z2thA3mQ31GiFAxG3kGwHghsP01 x4lXRXbeNkeObMITWkYtd88AezxmI5qPMEmvI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=xlxhUgYpn48KOyLd2mtTNFl+dOl73X8/81c+OeckM94KO3DdbP6+huxeg/NMVPkoFw fDruIi4oBdheLqqHoi2OPiStDZuw0dHURrrOBKzP82OPB9XAgXIGn7x18WNTrW66TIYQ MsFobAhfBSbkkmGRNooxLFc68xeNY27mqsdBg= Received: by 10.43.65.65 with SMTP id xl1mr1725813icb.35.1300359087524; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 03:51:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from athena.wi.rr.com (cpe-184-58-138-79.wi.res.rr.com [184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm556179ibo.8.2011.03.17.03.51.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Mar 2011 03:51:27 -0700 (PDT) From: ajtiM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 05:51:19 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.2-RELEASE; KDE/4.5.5; i386; ; ) References: <201103121802.10051.lumiwa@gmail.com> <201103161604.24764.lumiwa@gmail.com> <4D815CA5.9060207@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: <4D815CA5.9060207@herveybayaustralia.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201103170551.19924.lumiwa@gmail.com> Cc: Da Rock Subject: Re: android phone -pc-ineternet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:51:28 -0000 On Wednesday March 16 2011 19:58:13 Da Rock wrote: > On 03/17/11 07:04, ajtiM wrote: > > On Wednesday March 16 2011 09:39:11 Mark Felder wrote: > >> On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:48:45 -0500, Da Rock > >> > >> wrote: > >>> IF I understand you correctly here, you need to configure the wifi > >>> connection on your phone, and have a wifi access point available. Else- > >>> see above... > >> > >> No, he's referring to wired tethering over USB. This is the preferred > >> way of tethering to your phone because it doesn't drain your battery or > >> start your phone on fire :) > >> > >> I've not had success with it on FreeBSD but I must admit I haven't put > >> much effort into it. > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> > >> Mark > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > I want to connect a phone with usb to PC and use Internet through PC. > > At work Itried on MAC compuer and it easy but onn FreeBSD I don't know > > how. I don't have wirelless at home and I like to use wired... > > To do so you'd have to have a rooted Android system to change the > routing. They're not designed to operate like that. > > As for the driver- I posted before that its a project to do... > > BTW can anyone confirm 8.3 release date and driver support for iPhone > and/or Android? Although I'm reasonably sure iPhone uses a very > different method than Android from my research. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" The Android phone HTC Inspire 4G is design to use "Internet Pass-through" (has an option) and mine is not rooted and on Mac computer is not a problem to setup and us it. I read on the forums tha people use on Linux too and Windows. Mitja -------- http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 11:21:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE941065673 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:21:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A1978FC13 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:21:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.186]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9105C35 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:28:44 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4D81EEA4.8090508@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:21:08 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20110204 Thunderbird/3.0.11 ThunderBrowse/3.3.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201103121802.10051.lumiwa@gmail.com> <201103161604.24764.lumiwa@gmail.com> <4D815CA5.9060207@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <201103170551.19924.lumiwa@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <201103170551.19924.lumiwa@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: android phone -pc-ineternet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:21:03 -0000 On 03/17/11 20:51, ajtiM wrote: > On Wednesday March 16 2011 19:58:13 Da Rock wrote: > >> On 03/17/11 07:04, ajtiM wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday March 16 2011 09:39:11 Mark Felder wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:48:45 -0500, Da Rock >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> IF I understand you correctly here, you need to configure the wifi >>>>> connection on your phone, and have a wifi access point available. Else- >>>>> see above... >>>>> >>>> No, he's referring to wired tethering over USB. This is the preferred >>>> way of tethering to your phone because it doesn't drain your battery or >>>> start your phone on fire :) >>>> >>>> I've not had success with it on FreeBSD but I must admit I haven't put >>>> much effort into it. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>> >>> I want to connect a phone with usb to PC and use Internet through PC. >>> At work Itried on MAC compuer and it easy but onn FreeBSD I don't know >>> how. I don't have wirelless at home and I like to use wired... >>> >> To do so you'd have to have a rooted Android system to change the >> routing. They're not designed to operate like that. >> >> As for the driver- I posted before that its a project to do... >> >> BTW can anyone confirm 8.3 release date and driver support for iPhone >> and/or Android? Although I'm reasonably sure iPhone uses a very >> different method than Android from my research. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > The Android phone HTC Inspire 4G is design to use "Internet Pass-through" (has > an option) and mine is not rooted and on Mac computer is not a problem to > setup and us it. I read on the forums tha people use on Linux too and Windows. > Interesting. Unfortunately (if you'll note the remaining comments) internet tethering doesn't work because there is no driver (yet), so if you an help with that issue then we can all have networking our androids :) Search this list for android and you'll find the information we have so far. If you can add more information to this (output from usbconfig, dmesg, research, output from your Mac, etc) then please post. Cheers From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 11:26:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B281065670 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:26:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc4-s16.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s16.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59A98FC08 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:26:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP171 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s16.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 17 Mar 2011 04:26:03 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [174.109.142.1] X-Originating-Email: [carmel_ny@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ([174.109.142.1]) by BLU0-SMTP171.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 17 Mar 2011 04:26:02 -0700 Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 188CEE54833 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 07:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 07:25:59 -0400 From: Carmel To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: <4D80CA9D.9010506@infracaninophile.co.uk> <7301A0F7-8E70-40E8-B27F-6D67FFA41F2A@mac.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2011 11:26:02.0288 (UTC) FILETIME=[18D2B300:01CBE496] Subject: Re: Updating OpenSSH X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:26:04 -0000 On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:46:44 +0000 krad articulated: [snip] > a combination of time and limited resources I guess. If it bugs you > that much why dont you volunteer yourself to maintain it, i'm sure > that if you dont feel competent enough at present, people will help > and mentor you It is part of the base system. I don't know if it has a true maintainer. In any case, I would need commit privileges which I don't and never expect to have and have no desire to acquire.. It would be nice if the powers that be would elaborate on this simple inquiry; however, I feel that is not likely to happen. -- Carmel āœŒ carmel_ny@hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 11:52:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD8A106564A for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:52:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2E58FC17 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:52:58 +0000 (UTC) Received-SPF: None identity=pra; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None identity=helo; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="postmaster@jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received: from unknown (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.91.204]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 17 Mar 2011 07:52:58 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19841.62982.169135.420172@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 07:52:38 -0400 To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: <4D80CA9D.9010506@infracaninophile.co.uk> <7301A0F7-8E70-40E8-B27F-6D67FFA41F2A@mac.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid Subject: Re: Updating OpenSSH X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:52:59 -0000 Carmel writes: > It is part of the base system. I don't know if it has a true > maintainer. In any case, I would need commit privileges which I > don't and never expect to have and have no desire to acquire.. I do not believe that is correct; a fair number of people contribute productively to the base system with out being committers. Respectfully, Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 14:58:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0627A1065670; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:58:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from neko@takino.org) Received: from takino.org (www.takino.org [204.109.61.126]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEDE48FC1B; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:58:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by takino.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2AB9C32C46; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:42:00 +0300 (MSK) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:42:00 +0300 From: Krutov Mikle To: Ivan Voras Message-ID: <20110317144200.GA28942@takino.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:58:58 -0000 On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 03:32:59PM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: > On 06/03/2011 19:56, Lars Eighner wrote: > >Using the -C switch with portupgrade, I am managing to turn WITH_HAL off in > >ports that I install or upgrade. Is there a way to make this a global > >default? > > > >Is there a (convenient) way to list ports that might pull in HAL without > >having a configuration switch? > > Um, why exactly are so many people against HAL? It's the only > cross-platform thing available for non-Linux systems which handles > device enumeration, hotplugs, etc. > Hi Ivan! As for me, it is like a habit: I've installed Xorg + HAL for the first time; I've seen that my config is ignored; I disabled HAL by-default in make.conf :) -- With best regards, Mikle Krutov, Bercut ltd. VA$I engeneer. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 15:11:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BBB106566C; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:11:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C6A8FC08; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:11:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (omta005 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id p2HFAjOw016653; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 08:11:03 -0700 Received: from sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (lb009-10-float.sj2.proofpoint.com [172.16.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net with ESMTP id v3m27gep8-1; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 08:11:03 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm103 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - cde8da6a) id sj1-dm103.4d75101f.2d3123; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 08:10:59 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQNtR3BNgiSDsgh/PgIAAAAD,d7cf67b33e406d8ae110cc1c417a7645 Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:10:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:10:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.basicisp.net To: Krutov Mikle In-Reply-To: <20110317144200.GA28942@takino.org> Message-ID: References: <20110317144200.GA28942@takino.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sender: X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1103170074 Cc: Ivan Voras , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:11:04 -0000 On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, Krutov Mikle wrote: > On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 03:32:59PM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: >> On 06/03/2011 19:56, Lars Eighner wrote: >>> Using the -C switch with portupgrade, I am managing to turn WITH_HAL off in >>> ports that I install or upgrade. Is there a way to make this a global >>> default? >>> >>> Is there a (convenient) way to list ports that might pull in HAL without >>> having a configuration switch? >> >> Um, why exactly are so many people against HAL? It's the only >> cross-platform thing available for non-Linux systems which handles >> device enumeration, hotplugs, etc. >> > Hi Ivan! > As for me, it is like a habit: > I've installed Xorg + HAL for the first time; > I've seen that my config is ignored; > I disabled HAL by-default in make.conf > :) Setting FORBIDDEN in the HAL port helps to avoid accidentally installing hal as can easily happen. The gstreamer plugin pseudoports have something that installs hal and breaks Firefox so any mouse click kills it. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 15:16:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C971065670 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:16:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 048978FC14 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-1-243.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.1.243]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA111E57F; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:16:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p2HFG2oI005155; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:16:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:16:02 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Krutov Mikle Message-Id: <20110317161602.3a2845b7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110317144200.GA28942@takino.org> References: <20110317144200.GA28942@takino.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:16:06 -0000 On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:42:00 +0300, Krutov Mikle wrote: > As for me, it is like a habit: > I've installed Xorg + HAL for the first time; > I've seen that my config is ignored; > I disabled HAL by-default in make.conf > :) Similar situation here. The thing that annoys me most regarding HAL is that it removes centralized configuration options (from xorg.conf) and puts them into some arbitrary locaion buried in /usr/local/etc, requiring XML coding. I'm especially talking about the need to define some non-US keyboard layout (in my case: german layout) independently from any desktop environment, so this setting HAS to be in X's configuration file. The same goes for the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace "emergency stop" of X. I've tried that on a testing system and it simply looks wrong, feels wrong. It should be easier. X has a centralized place for configuration settings. Why scatter its content across the /usr/local subtree? Please don't get me wrong: I appreciate X's ability to run without configuration file, enabling out of the box detection and activation of graphics hardware (GPU and display), but as the hardware I'm forced to used here is not compatible with this concept, so the result is "does not work" because it doesn't work with this autodetect magic. It's probably too old for that. Disabling HAL generally solved the problems. Furthermore, out of security considerations, I don't want HAL to act uncontrollable within the device chain. I'm just wondering about one thing: In the past, the "big two" (KDE and Gnome) could be enabled for automounting volumes attached to the system. This was years before HAL appeared. Why is there no emphasize of how to do it that efficiently and in an easy way again? Why rely on something that is already considered obsolete? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 16:35:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B171065768 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:35:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivoras@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF67C8FC0A for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk27 with SMTP id 27so2470553qyk.13 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:35:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FNABaI8EcBP1JJL0lpJ2/LsV2KF3TmBuGhHcVxMvKMY=; b=nu15CeKiyI48yBwgtqC+BNn3xnK1cV3GYg9GymtcS11kWV2XdSel4xCAV6AKRPq754 SPiSfg1pVgCPHTQkcDFHjNtDXVPzZ/omDCaTZWijnWVrmcoux+24LR6Xly+11wOCgPKv SI+Vx2BkVXYdiRlPeieRBN+Cs7L6h5J9FgjzU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=PJnZVEZ9J/riDfy6vTV3/bgQzzcWN2xcrPUTkLmJMnFwGTZg4gBXA7gA9VZFODOHer 8f3Q/PB8gEEHERhpWtXc4teTxNN+ZSQfpkAjIqWqfMyPtBqu9+e5bjTZHC3re/tdUSMR iK6olzcLddp+uUzFTM8W4ID++/EZDjWUFjP2E= Received: by 10.224.18.202 with SMTP id x10mr1293507qaa.285.1300379744100; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:35:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: ivoras@gmail.com Received: by 10.229.78.193 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:35:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20110317144200.GA28942@takino.org> From: Ivan Voras Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:35:04 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: IePC5GBxB5NXr1kq2GjsIS5cFnM Message-ID: To: Lars Eighner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Krutov Mikle , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:35:46 -0000 On 17 March 2011 16:10, Lars Eighner wrote: > On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, Krutov Mikle wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 03:32:59PM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: >>> >>> On 06/03/2011 19:56, Lars Eighner wrote: >>>> >>>> Using the -C switch with portupgrade, I am managing to turn WITH_HAL o= ff >>>> in >>>> ports that I install or upgrade. Is there a way to make this a global >>>> default? >>>> >>>> Is there a (convenient) way to list ports that might pull in HAL witho= ut >>>> having a configuration switch? >>> >>> Um, why exactly are so many people against HAL? It's the only >>> cross-platform thing available for non-Linux systems which handles >>> device enumeration, hotplugs, etc. >>> >> Hi Ivan! >> As for me, it is like a habit: >> I've installed Xorg + HAL for the first time; >> I've seen that my config is ignored; >> I disabled HAL by-default in make.conf >> :) > > Setting FORBIDDEN in the HAL port helps to avoid accidentally installing = hal > as can easily happen. =C2=A0The gstreamer plugin pseudoports have somethi= ng that > installs hal and breaks Firefox so any mouse click kills it. Well yes, that's one thing: if you use HAL, everything must use HAL and you can't pick and match incompatible applications and force half of the things in xorg.conf. As for me, I'm running without any xorg.conf (really, I don't have the file at all), all my desktop applications are using HAL and everything is autodetected and "just works", which is as it should be. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 17:36:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E3C106564A for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:36:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B1D8FC18 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyg7 with SMTP id 7so815730eyg.13 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:35:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.106.7 with SMTP id v7mr321827ebo.66.1300383358600; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.119.1 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:35:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [64.81.163.112] In-Reply-To: <4D815D0A.8050404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <20110307162153.0463fa73@atmarama.net> <20110307170014.GB65289@guilt.hydra> <4D7FE8E1.90600@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> <20110316004351.GA6614@guilt.hydra> <20110316180938.GA10333@guilt.hydra> <4D815D0A.8050404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:35:58 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: Da Rock Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:36:00 -0000 On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Da Rock wrote: >> The problem is it'd have to be someone who's unemployed. ;) =A0Any >> software company is going to want to patent something that valuable; >> they'd be failing their shareholders if they didn't. >> > > Except a private company. Yeah, but most private software companies are trying to get bought out by one of the big guys, in which case a good patent portfolio is helpful. I remember hearing about one company in the 90s that actually had "be acquired by Microsoft" as part of their long-term business plan. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 17:46:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD721065689 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:46:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C998FC2A for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:46:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q0HHd-0004K4-PW for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:46:51 -0700 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:46:50 -0700 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:46:50 -0700 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110317174650.GC85969@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110307170014.GB65289@guilt.hydra> <4D7FE8E1.90600@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> <20110316004351.GA6614@guilt.hydra> <20110316180938.GA10333@guilt.hydra> <4D815D0A.8050404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uXxzq0nDebZQVNAZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:46:55 -0000 --uXxzq0nDebZQVNAZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth David Brodbeck on Thursday, 17 March 2011: > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Da Rock > wrote: > >> The problem is it'd have to be someone who's unemployed. ;) =A0Any > >> software company is going to want to patent something that valuable; > >> they'd be failing their shareholders if they didn't. > >> > > > > Except a private company. >=20 > Yeah, but most private software companies are trying to get bought > out by one of the big guys, in which case a good patent portfolio is > helpful. I remember hearing about one company in the 90s that > actually had "be acquired by Microsoft" as part of their long-term > business plan. Nowadays it's "be acquired by Google." Requires less of a patent portfolio, and more creative energy. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --uXxzq0nDebZQVNAZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNgkkKAAoJEIpckszW26+RzAwIAL/P5LiW3SQdD/u7l/gtJD+T ZwnIS490HOlTqY39QBU8rlmvMULMoBwetOdu/MKQ5Huu3tEOs+ep31h3NGpOXQcJ xYsPDjpMrtmTvPrnJiJynZjUTYr4TNjR+rGP5dNEQgwkKQC5/EDLzo/v1A/FVljN GzS/uARTk3cVkl6Voca9SyIbDQ9YQyO2hafl7/h5fUSL2eOL5akr54lDB7K7RqU4 ysXmNQW+hXEV/c7pHJET3396SSj+U2BX4XfKTPyry3O8bddkS4lkejJ40+GOOVKO 4VQY3qD2tUQVpM4MW5WkcFra9VAi5mhXJ+Zi6RhpI8t2Z1dEv/qClltfUVr5eWk= =syI6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uXxzq0nDebZQVNAZ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 15:50:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14417106566C for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:50:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from D.Schaft@rn.rabobank.nl) Received: from RNmail4.rabobank.nl (rnmail4.rabobank.nl [145.72.106.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961908FC08 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:50:29 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=rn.rabobank.nl; i=D.Schaft@rn.rabobank.nl; q=dns/txt; s=dkim; t=1300377029; x=1331913029; h=from:to:date:subject:message-id:mime-version: content-transfer-encoding; z=From:=20|To:=20|Date:=20Thu,=2017=20Mar=202011=2016:30:31 =20+0100|Subject:=20sguil-client=20startup=20problem |Message-ID:=20<7901458E71514A4DB40498F4740BB08D395AC34C5 F@MAIL3005.rabobank.corp>|MIME-Version:=201.0; bh=X/i2eXv8y8oX8lxDIeBKd+3meO6vuz5e+Pg8SKQ93zQ=; b=jGBFGb7uHp/Kpx59hs0vRTNjNM+qmy4sRJ2hjlhUdV6DFRO073OmVfkY LoJW/s8nSyWsxdGPxvhohlji7CpoeTn5lKAinsGiXR3vDuBZBDvKfGT+m bDnyCH8Ds8qLC5+; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,199,1299452400"; d="scan'208,217";a="314682559" From: To: Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:30:31 +0100 Thread-Topic: sguil-client startup problem Thread-Index: AcvkuECLOyW0fiDdTuWNiizPoZ0gqA== Message-ID: <7901458E71514A4DB40498F4740BB08D395AC34C5F@MAIL3005.rabobank.corp> Accept-Language: nl-NL Content-Language: nl-NL X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-cr-hashedpuzzle: A9HH B9YX DEb0 D1kE ESvC Enw8 Eunl FBg8 FvQ1 GOLd GZCi HbGJ HuUk JNUn JZMv Jblp; 1; ZgByAGUAZQBiAHMAZAAtAHEAdQBlAHMAdABpAG8AbgBzAEAAZgByAGUAZQBiAHMAZAAuAG8AcgBnAA==; Sosha1_v1; 7; {0F2A14F1-1853-462E-8362-1FC23DF2C227}; ZAAuAHMAYwBoAGEAZgB0AEAAcgBuAC4AcgBhAGIAbwBiAGEAbgBrAC4AbgBsAA==; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:30:31 GMT; cwBnAHUAaQBsAC0AYwBsAGkAZQBuAHQAIABzAHQAYQByAHQAdQBwACAAcAByAG8AYgBsAGUAbQA= x-cr-puzzleid: {0F2A14F1-1853-462E-8362-1FC23DF2C227} acceptlanguage: nl-NL MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2011 15:30:36.0470 (UTC) FILETIME=[43512D60:01CBE4B8] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:47:14 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: sguil-client startup problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:50:30 -0000 I have a question regarding the installation and startup of sguil-client on= a 8.2 Generic OS. It seems that my installation requires an iwidget extension when run with t= clsh8.4 and receives an error when running wish8.4: Error in startup script: can't read "0": no such variable while executing Exec /usr/local/bin/wish8.4 "$0" "$@" line 5. I have all the required packages , I suppose (tclX-8.4,tcl-8.4,tcllib,tcltl= s,tk8.4,ictl-3), also the iwidget extension is installed... Strangely enough also version 8.5 is present on the system, could that be = a problem. Hopefully , there is someone who has experienced the same or better yet, ha= s an answer to my problem... Reg, Danny van der Schaft =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Rabobank disclaimer: http://www.rabobank.nl/disclaimer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 20:00:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D344F106564A for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:00:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.60]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D9FC8FC12 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:00:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 15184 invoked by uid 0); 17 Mar 2011 20:00:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2011 20:00:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=gikJrYGAmFljQ8UEsmYF12QZyVyslJ8/X90yRkklXYDz7ETXqp5Q8bgPZN5MyeawEJU1QAaPuozJTPGco/jCzUEMGyA+PtFYodKXFngnyI19mJNIKTX99HK8h/oM4M7e; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q0JN2-0005yq-Pk for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:00:33 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:48:52 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:48:52 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110317194852.GA15133@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110317144200.GA28942@takino.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:00:35 -0000 --9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 05:35:04PM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: >=20 > Well yes, that's one thing: if you use HAL, everything must use HAL > and you can't pick and match incompatible applications and force half > of the things in xorg.conf. There should be a way to override it on a piecemeal basis. Seriously. Everybody who thinks it's a good idea (by way of analogy) to write command line utilities that default to not letting you specify any options at all, and if you use one option to do something non-default you have to specify *all* options even when the specification is exactly the same as the default -- raise your hands. I don't expect to see many hands. >=20 > As for me, I'm running without any xorg.conf (really, I don't have the > file at all), all my desktop applications are using HAL and everything > is autodetected and "just works", which is as it should be. In my experience, about one third of the time HAL makes X work great, and the other two thirds of the time it fails in some way that requires me to create a complete xorg.conf file just for one or two options. Worse, from what I've seen, the xorg.conf auto-generation doesn't always match the defaults HAL provides very well. As a result, auto-generating an xorg.conf often results in a configuration that works even *worse* than HAL's automatic configuration, and as a result a lot of work needs to be done to get configuration to work. For something like what HAL does, in addition to allowing piecemeal custom configuration, it should also provide a way to get the *exact* configuration the automatic configuration management software. I haven't looked into it in *too* much depth, but so far I have not seen any sign of that kind of helpful functionality either. It's a common problem for popular software systems these days, I think. People design software meant to eliminate the configuration and management hassle from the end user, but it doesn't always work perfectly. Unfortunately, it so zealously attempts to guess what the user wants that it effectively *disallows* easy fixes when the user discovers that something needs to be "fixed". This is, in short, bad software design. I blame Microsoft, GNU, and Canonical for this trend, mostly. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk2CZaQACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKX4hACg2v1GdvHeTp4ywFWnmV2eGqKr PqcAoPwleotu4HEnW5ktZ2d3UK4p8TfP =VzJp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 20:07:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7CB8106564A for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:07:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.60]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1FD0D8FC0C for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:07:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 2600 invoked by uid 0); 17 Mar 2011 20:07:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2011 20:07:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=JZ199p3D88hlDkDSvU1I4aL4HuGP6SrrnwiC22s7ulCAbsZOqyQVA2M6DTE9u6lZZSguXSwi6R0cQo2hrb2qTiH+v5GHSpRnRTut2LHKotX+zPaG85X5miTo4XCU73op; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q0JTI-0007ie-Jh for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:07:01 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:55:20 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:55:20 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110317195520.GA15450@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110307170014.GB65289@guilt.hydra> <4D7FE8E1.90600@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> <20110316004351.GA6614@guilt.hydra> <20110316180938.GA10333@guilt.hydra> <4D815D0A.8050404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20110317174650.GC85969@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110317174650.GC85969@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:07:04 -0000 --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:46:50AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth David Brodbeck on Thursday, 17 March 2011: > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Da Rock > > wrote: > > > > > > Except a private company. > >=20 > > Yeah, but most private software companies are trying to get bought > > out by one of the big guys, in which case a good patent portfolio is > > helpful. I remember hearing about one company in the 90s that > > actually had "be acquired by Microsoft" as part of their long-term > > business plan. >=20 > Nowadays it's "be acquired by Google." Requires less of a patent > portfolio, and more creative energy. That's probably because Google wants to acquire the talent behind the startup, while Microsoft mostly just wants to, as simply as possible, do one of two things: 1. Diversify its business interests by buying something in a niche where Microsoft is not yet dominant. 2. Kill an up-and-coming competitor. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk2CZygACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXd1gCgsjnrPfXXx3coENY+swukLkja IiQAnR9Za2j5mY9iS5R8LAsZB2UH1yBk =PcaA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 21:10:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD7E10656B7 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:10:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBEF8FC27 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:10:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2HLAPJC037971; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:10:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p2HLAPGU037968; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:10:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:10:25 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20110317194852.GA15133@guilt.hydra> Message-ID: References: <20110317144200.GA28942@takino.org> <20110317194852.GA15133@guilt.hydra> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:10:25 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:10:28 -0000 On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, Chad Perrin wrote: > In my experience, about one third of the time HAL makes X work great, and > the other two thirds of the time it fails in some way that requires me to > create a complete xorg.conf file just for one or two options. hal just provides input device hotplug ability to xorg-server. Certainly xorg's own autoconfig isn't perfect, but that's not due to hal. Tangential to that, it is possible to enter only the needed sections of xorg.conf, overriding the autoconfig for those sections. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 21:12:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7A31065670 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:12:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from OPeters@partnershiphp.org) Received: from mercury.partnershiphp.org (mercury.partnershiphp.org [66.93.69.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 172C68FC13 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:12:08 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,201,1299484800"; d="scan'208,217";a="1877218" Received: from unknown (HELO zenith1.partnershiphp.int) ([172.25.4.97]) by mercury.partnershiphp.org with ESMTP; 17 Mar 2011 13:45:31 -0700 From: Ola Peters To: "questions@FreeBSD.org" Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:42:47 -0700 Thread-Topic: adding SRV records to a FreeBSD server Thread-Index: Acvk49+naxKtWHYrT9+NHEnyHZxuIA== Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-cr-puzzleid: {C67D20BC-29E2-4EC3-9F0D-E4BEFB5B73EB} x-cr-hashedpuzzle: AAlf AE9h Aeb8 Bk2K CSVN CSWg CSZh EFN8 EdeO ElnK FVmo FnVt F5HG GDas HyH2 KeB5; 1; cQB1AGUAcwB0AGkAbwBuAHMAQABmAHIAZQBlAGIAcwBkAC4AbwByAGcA; Sosha1_v1; 7; {C67D20BC-29E2-4EC3-9F0D-E4BEFB5B73EB}; bwBwAGUAdABlAHIAcwBAAHAAYQByAHQAbgBlAHIAcwBoAGkAcABoAHAALgBvAHIAZwA=; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:42:47 GMT; YQBkAGQAaQBuAGcAIABTAFIAVgAgAHIAZQBjAG8AcgBkAHMAIAB0AG8AIABhACAARgByAGUAZQBCAFMARAAgAHMAZQByAHYAZQByAA== acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: adding SRV records to a FreeBSD server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:12:09 -0000 Hi there, Thanks so much for placing this contact information in your header! 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 21:33:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD61106566B for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:33:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@t41t.com) Received: from rcpt.cat.pdx.edu (unknown [IPv6:2610:10:20:208:2e0:81ff:fe5c:af2e]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C518FC18 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:33:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nemo.ece.pdx.edu (root@nemo.ece.pdx.edu [131.252.209.162]) by rcpt.cat.pdx.edu (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with ESMTP id p2HLXa4V000502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:33:36 -0700 Received: from nemo.ece.pdx.edu (tait@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nemo.ece.pdx.edu (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p2HLXaQM006486 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tait@localhost) by nemo.ece.pdx.edu (8.13.6/8.12.6/Submit) id p2HLXajw006485 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:33:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: nemo.ece.pdx.edu: tait set sender to freebsd@t41t.com using -f Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:33:36 -0700 From: Tait To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110317213336.GF10069@ece.pdx.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (rcpt.cat.pdx.edu [131.252.208.107]); Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:33:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=6.0 tests=WJAVA_2 autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on rcpt.cat.pdx.edu X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.5 at rcpt X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: How to tell whether CPU supports x64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:33:39 -0000 I have a remote server, and I'd like to know if it will support 64-bit instructions. Is there some way I can tell? It's running 32-bit FreeBSD right now. >From dmesg.boot: Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.40GHz (2387.76-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf29 Stepping = 9 Features=0xbfebfbff Features2=0x4400> Logical CPUs per core: 2 real memory = 1073676288 (1023 MB) avail memory = 1041502208 (993 MB) ACPI APIC Table: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 I've had no luck trying to search for the id/stepping. Would the feature list show x64 support? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 21:36:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13CD7106566C for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:36:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CBF8FC17 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:36:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxl31 with SMTP id 31so1492489yxl.13 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:36:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.185.138 with SMTP id u10mr273029yhm.248.1300397771943; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 66sm1429870yhl.46.2011.03.17.14.36.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5E34DE54833 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:35:57 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110317173557.131dddd5@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20110317194852.GA15133@guilt.hydra> References: <20110317144200.GA28942@takino.org> <20110317194852.GA15133@guilt.hydra> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/E_V.u2bInT+HGfanGk+3eYJ"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:36:13 -0000 --Sig_/E_V.u2bInT+HGfanGk+3eYJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:48:52 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: > I blame Microsoft, GNU, and Canonical for this trend, mostly. Chad, I believe I stand on firm ground when I state that you would blame Microsoft if the sun didn't come up tomorrow. You obviously must have a life time membership to "Slashdot". Microsoft creates programs, utilities, etc. for Microsoft. With very few exceptions, it does not actively create programming for a non-windows theater. It certainly never created any programming for *nix systems that deal with hardware discovery & configuration. Microsoft is not your problem. The people writing software, drivers, what have you for *.nix & *.BSD are your problem. Contrary to whatever you may think, the over whelming majority of users want a system that just works. They don't want to spend hours/days or more just tying to get a printer or sound card to work. They would rather leave that to people like you who have time to waste. Those of us on the clock don't have the luxury of fiddling with a piece of hardware when we could be doing something productive. Two statements in your post stand out as being totally bizarre. 1) People design software meant to eliminate the configuration and management hassle from the end user, but it doesn't always work perfectly. OK, what software always works correctly? That never fails, hangs, or just blows up. Deal with it, it is a fact of life. Ask any of a number of users who have tried to get OpenOffice to work as designed the first time; or even ever. 2) Unfortunately, it so zealously attempts to guess what the user wants that it effectively *disallows* easy fixes when the user discovers that something needs to be "fixed". Of course your statement is sans any documented proof, which in itself is not news worthy; however, who's specific configuration should the designers of said software use for a template? I know, yours, right? It is obvious that the designers are attempting to guess what the user whats. Obviously, they are not going to guess right 100% of the time. It is just the nature of the beast. Are you trying to say that you cannot manually change a configuration file? By the way, it will only get worse as no one can come to an agreement on one unified replacement for HAL. Nothing like fragmentation to make things work better. I believe that XFCE has dropped all support for HAL too. Is that Microsoft's fault too? I have two Linksys Wireless-N PCI cards in front of me that work fine on a Windows platform. FreeBSD doesn't even have a driver for them, thereby rendering them useless. I suppose that is Microsoft's fault too. --=20 Jerry =E2=9C=8C FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ The latest toy has just hit the shops - a talking Muslim doll. Nobody knows what the hell it says because no one's got the balls to pull the cord. --Sig_/E_V.u2bInT+HGfanGk+3eYJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNgn7IAAoJEHdwsA8xwKhFGnEH/jeEhxthpzq5IOxp6Pu7rs7J 7cHGbj0Isx3nTe0uHGGRP/UdyvVGaBtTMzcBdsz+oFGQKhxFA/Sc6nVoXjwUVE6i 8POrLZaMPmKqIHG9/Ffx/zOClb9j4K4By8arA9Gr6v4XmJmWYEzhjs9YsLLRHhX3 3C6p8sB0EeIgDYsOOhM39miVoCk7pfZqykyX4zWNVOYJYzaoutttTxJA5+e3YeRG DNXWCWw8B7LDHpgNOHikeFiNNk/Hv4QccClQN5DegQgg6NKT+sZzVetnIu7kXAEZ 0Eote5nNUzQC9FwXwKCVMheTxkybaa7v+yL3afzE9fQB701Bm7Ny7EMZrQ4d+Do= =Ixb6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/E_V.u2bInT+HGfanGk+3eYJ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 22:03:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B771065672 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:03:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dak.col@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89008FC16 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:03:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwc9 with SMTP id 9so2672795qwc.13 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:03:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ZTqHx40fYY7BBELkr1hb/S3erkRcYZcwDPCGRvZcSB0=; b=x8MDjPolnb2b/+MerjYy2KsI2XKtMEtA9pvrQGjOaNwiT1y5FGCzDH62ugsqXhhkLW 7XMC4npdkNF36fUPS5w8vFz7Mg04FdSXPBb7y7nocut8q//m8NGm0BAnEDnscGxoyLMP qln94W5Xva+zJeQl3S33XPl977OOoSadGq7IE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=k768gFNw5P0o5YJDOYXeMqxAa4eWp5LEOdnW2+EZFXn6qVzvVGKMhnUGvhdORcKuLc 02uJFR/jl7obGAqkoHsd9ZzwMMv5hrQ5HxlA73psYxRmjExcZbllHjSYMtWQcXRzblsr t1+sdN0o9KeSfLo0TeJ1S1Hw4PxDxXS0H9pnk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.26.67 with SMTP id d3mr255138qcc.227.1300397572605; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:32:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.64.229 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:32:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:32:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: Diego Arias To: Ola Peters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: adding SRV records to a FreeBSD server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:03:21 -0000 Hi: FreeBSD 4.11 is juts too old you should Upgrade that machine. Anyway check the named(bind) version to see if it supports srv records. On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Ola Peters wrote: > Hi there, > > Thanks so much for placing this contact information in your header! I am > trying to add SRV records to my name server, which is a FreeBSD box. > > (Output from uname -a): > > ns1# uname -a > FreeBSD ns1.partnershiphp.org 4.11-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE #0: Fri > Jan 21 17:21:22 GMT 2005 root@perseus.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > i386 > > I don't have a clue where to start and everytime I make a change, I bring > our website down. Do you have a link or an example to tell me where I can > do this? > > Thanks so much, > > Ola Peters > Senior Unix Administrator > IT Department > Partnership Healthplan of California > 360 Campus Lane, Suite 100 > Fairfield, CA 94534 > > Phone: (707) 863-4407 | Fax: (707) 863-4349 > > Email: opeters@partnershiphp.org > Our website: www.partnershiphp.org > > > ________________________________ > ~ PHC CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE ~ > > The information contained in this document may be privileged, confidential, > and protected under applicable law and is intended solely for the use of the > individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended > recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to > the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 22:14:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE87C106566B for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:14:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kazakevichilya@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747448FC1E for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so3521198wyf.13 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:14:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=cMpT0AQopmsqy3I4cvroIYcEyRowFkUdh3pldrDZbqU=; b=Fa76oiGQsTRJOoXu9iuT+V40oOsr9zz3MF0kvHVxxBemeaBTP2FogYkDh3q8ii0aet FXJNdzaKC4RHWVpW61cUhal7G+hOgNYGGOwvrpeX2JSnxl3O60jeCqnMDavN4KK/8luF Xt/5N0P51GI6auOcuqrAtHGh8laDpC5E4Ltg0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=e97afcwlZbv7uEK1mHkYIXMhFgDVxTVxuFN83e+hxefhHvryzSsk/UJ6OTZX6SioZQ pIDCGPbm2Ccwy7o0G6XrygmwzeYsqVzkH1uCkWaTzFsdP+mpciJH7A9d+yOF3cXOBfGc KIZuEPtOReujyTGRkLfOOlKh5BvM6HEQ6qPew= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.139.89 with SMTP id d25mr349344wbu.58.1300400044253; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:14:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.157.148 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:14:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110317213336.GF10069@ece.pdx.edu> References: <20110317213336.GF10069@ece.pdx.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 01:14:04 +0300 Message-ID: From: Ilya Kazakevich To: Tait Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to tell whether CPU supports x64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:14:05 -0000 Afaik there should be "LM" in "AMD features" output. Even for Intel. Grep your dmesg.boot for LM. On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Tait wrote: > I have a remote server, and I'd like to know if it will support > 64-bit instructions. Is there some way I can tell? It's running 32-bit > FreeBSD right now. > > >From dmesg.boot: > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 > CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.40GHz (2387.76-MHz 686-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf29 Stepping = 9 > > Features=0xbfebfbff > Features2=0x4400> > Logical CPUs per core: 2 > real memory = 1073676288 (1023 MB) > avail memory = 1041502208 (993 MB) > ACPI APIC Table: > FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs > cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 > cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 > > I've had no luck trying to search for the id/stepping. Would the > feature list show x64 support? > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 22:15:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3CEB106564A for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:15:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dteske@vicor.com) Received: from postoffice.vicor.com (postoffice.vicor.com [69.26.56.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A715C8FC1E for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:15:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.82.228.128] (port=58849) by postoffice.vicor.com with esmtpsa (SSLv3:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.74) (envelope-from ) id 1Q0LTa-0008Ug-N3; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:15:28 -0700 From: Devin Teske To: Tait In-Reply-To: <20110317213336.GF10069@ece.pdx.edu> References: <20110317213336.GF10069@ece.pdx.edu> Organization: VICOR, Inc. Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:14:54 +0000 Message-ID: <1300400094.47040.53.camel@dt.vicor.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 X-Scan-Signature: 272b9303b28efa3124132325680605ff X-Scan-Host: postoffice.vicor.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="cp1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to tell whether CPU supports x64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:15:13 -0000 On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 14:33 -0700, Tait wrote: > I have a remote server, and I'd like to know if it will support > 64-bit instructions. I wrote this for the job (please, suggestions/comments very welcome): ############################################################ BEGIN FILE /* -*- tab-width: 4 -*- ;; Emacs */ /* vi: set tabstop=4 :: Vi/ViM */ /* Devin Teske (c)2010, July 26, 11:42:38. All Rights Reserved. */ /* system includes */ #include /* printf(3) */ #include /* EXIT_SUCCESS exit(3) */ #include /* strncmp(3) */ #include /* u_int/register_t (for machine/cpufunc.h) */ #include /* read_e/rflags() write_e/rflags() * do_cpuid() */ #include /* PSL_ID */ #include /* AMDID_LM */ /* Preprocessor Macros */ #ifndef AMDID_LM #define AMDID_LM 0x20000000 #endif int main (int argc, char *argv[]) { int has_lm = 0; char *cpu_vendor; int vendor[3]; #ifdef __amd64__ register_t rflags; #else u_int eflags; #endif u_int regs[4]; /* Check for presence of "cpuid". */ #ifdef __amd64__ rflags = read_rflags(); write_rflags(rflags ^ PSL_ID); if (((rflags ^ read_rflags()) & PSL_ID) != 0) #else eflags = read_eflags(); write_eflags(eflags ^ PSL_ID); if (((eflags ^ read_eflags()) & PSL_ID) != 0) #endif { /* Fetch the vendor string. */ do_cpuid(0, regs); vendor[0] = regs[1]; vendor[1] = regs[3]; vendor[2] = regs[2]; cpu_vendor = (char *)vendor; /* check for vendors that support AMD features. */ if (strncmp(cpu_vendor, "GenuineIntel", 12) == 0 || strncmp(cpu_vendor, "AuthenticAMD", 12) == 0) { /* Has to support AMD features. */ do_cpuid(0x80000000, regs); has_lm = (regs[3] & AMDID_LM); } } printf("x86_64 support: %s\n", has_lm ? "YES" : "NO" ); exit(EXIT_SUCCESS); } ############################################################ END FILE Save the text above into a file named "x86_64.c" and then execute "make x86_64" without arguments (or, if you prefer to have a static binary, instead execute "cc -static -Wall -O -pipe -I. x86_64.c -o x86_64". After you've compiled the utility, execute "./x86_64" and the results will be either: x86_64 support: YES or x86_64 support: NO -- Devin (full sig at bottom) > Is there some way I can tell? It's running 32-bit > FreeBSD right now. > > >From dmesg.boot: > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 > CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.40GHz (2387.76-MHz 686-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf29 Stepping = 9 > Features=0xbfebfbff > Features2=0x4400> > Logical CPUs per core: 2 > real memory = 1073676288 (1023 MB) > avail memory = 1041502208 (993 MB) > ACPI APIC Table: > FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs > cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 > cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 > > I've had no luck trying to search for the id/stepping. 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As we have now 8.2 i > suggest to do a clean-installation > > From version 6 and newer you could do a Binary upgrade using > freebsd-update. > > Wait until someone check this email as im not a 4.11 or upgrade expert. > > If you just want to fix the problem with SRV records, check the named(bind) > version to see if SRV records are supported. > > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Ola Peters wrote: > >> Thank you so much for your quick response, Diego. I am a UNIX person >> but mostly on the HP-UX. Is it difficult to upgrade FreeBSD? Can I just >> download one of the packages and run the installer? >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> Ola >> >> >> >> *From:* Diego Arias [mailto:dak.col@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 17, 2011 2:33 PM >> *To:* Ola Peters >> *Cc:* questions@FreeBSD.org >> *Subject:* Re: adding SRV records to a FreeBSD server >> >> >> >> Hi: >> >> >> >> >> >> FreeBSD 4.11 is juts too old you should Upgrade that machine. >> >> >> >> Anyway check the named(bind) version to see if it supports srv records. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Ola Peters >> wrote: >> >> Hi there, >> >> Thanks so much for placing this contact information in your header! I am >> trying to add SRV records to my name server, which is a FreeBSD box. >> >> (Output from uname -a): >> >> ns1# uname -a >> FreeBSD ns1.partnershiphp.org 4.11-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE #0: Fri >> Jan 21 17:21:22 GMT 2005 root@perseus.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC >> i386 >> >> I don't have a clue where to start and everytime I make a change, I bring >> our website down. Do you have a link or an example to tell me where I can >> do this? >> >> Thanks so much, >> >> Ola Peters >> Senior Unix Administrator >> IT Department >> Partnership Healthplan of California >> 360 Campus Lane, Suite 100 >> Fairfield, CA 94534 >> >> Phone: (707) 863-4407 | Fax: (707) 863-4349 >> >> Email: opeters@partnershiphp.org >> Our website: www.partnershiphp.org >> >> >> ________________________________ >> ~ PHC CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE ~ >> >> The information contained in this document may be privileged, >> confidential, and protected under applicable law and is intended solely for >> the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not >> the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering >> the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly >> prohibited. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 22:24:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DAA9106566C for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:24:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kazakevichilya@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6798FC28 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwc33 with SMTP id 33so4187911wwc.31 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:24:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=xGKtMpBcy+yLKHc/RQTFW2Ms6oOcwURS5N+lCohOfG0=; b=XAp/w/AV51dKiZt+gFFKJaukwAY75lTiChMjrCsquxYpMr/4rploy7UtyFEK0Q1jfu bXCluiOy7Q2RZBASMi3+qL9Spnk2rlZTogsReZe1kZTpp0gxpEurfoN1VtydTmfkopL3 6N3ttYaKyVglYJZYVOHmryxuZzfLKsN9CmUcY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=ldyKBeS17yY5iBFP7NY0EAfMeM1zOnP1t68H+zo9cqL9tvRECdJb9KRwcnlceMKi++ rByHo55WG7eqCbgvtDJb4rnYUtVkKFsDWW2RmCcWVUR+r2uAV6ZYCxLTko1kzJeyOLBw 8w3rSOsdvRtmJivaYB/1RxXvf8pc7OBfi47yA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.91.81 with SMTP id l17mr359235wbm.29.1300400649287; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:24:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.157.148 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:24:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 01:24:09 +0300 Message-ID: From: Ilya Kazakevich To: Diego Arias Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Ola Peters , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: adding SRV records to a FreeBSD server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:24:11 -0000 Ola, You have BIND 8.3 as you wrote to me. Check manual if it supports SRV records. If so -- you do not have to upgrade your OS now. FreeBSD 4 is REALLY OLD but I do not think upgrading freebsd is what you want to do now: your issue is to update SRV record, right? On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:48 AM, Diego Arias wrote: > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Diego Arias wrote: > > > Its actually a little bit harder than that, not impossible but you have > to > > upgrade the base OS and then the ports (Packages). As we have now 8.2 i > > suggest to do a clean-installation > > > > From version 6 and newer you could do a Binary upgrade using > > freebsd-update. > > > > Wait until someone check this email as im not a 4.11 or upgrade expert. > > > > If you just want to fix the problem with SRV records, check the > named(bind) > > version to see if SRV records are supported. > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Ola Peters >wrote: > > > >> Thank you so much for your quick response, Diego. I am a UNIX person > >> but mostly on the HP-UX. Is it difficult to upgrade FreeBSD? Can I > just > >> download one of the packages and run the installer? > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> > >> > >> Ola > >> > >> > >> > >> *From:* Diego Arias [mailto:dak.col@gmail.com] > >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 17, 2011 2:33 PM > >> *To:* Ola Peters > >> *Cc:* questions@FreeBSD.org > >> *Subject:* Re: adding SRV records to a FreeBSD server > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> FreeBSD 4.11 is juts too old you should Upgrade that machine. > >> > >> > >> > >> Anyway check the named(bind) version to see if it supports srv records. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Ola Peters > >> wrote: > >> > >> Hi there, > >> > >> Thanks so much for placing this contact information in your header! I > am > >> trying to add SRV records to my name server, which is a FreeBSD box. > >> > >> (Output from uname -a): > >> > >> ns1# uname -a > >> FreeBSD ns1.partnershiphp.org 4.11-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE #0: Fri > >> Jan 21 17:21:22 GMT 2005 root@perseus.cse.buffalo.edu: > /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > >> i386 > >> > >> I don't have a clue where to start and everytime I make a change, I > bring > >> our website down. Do you have a link or an example to tell me where I > can > >> do this? > >> > >> Thanks so much, > >> > >> Ola Peters > >> Senior Unix Administrator > >> IT Department > >> Partnership Healthplan of California > >> 360 Campus Lane, Suite 100 > >> Fairfield, CA 94534 > >> > >> Phone: (707) 863-4407 | Fax: (707) 863-4349 > >> > >> Email: opeters@partnershiphp.org > >> Our website: www.partnershiphp.org > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> ~ PHC CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE ~ > >> > >> The information contained in this document may be privileged, > >> confidential, and protected under applicable law and is intended solely > for > >> the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are > not > >> the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for > delivering > >> the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > >> dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is > strictly > >> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify > >> the sender immediately by telephone and destroy the document. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Still Going Strong!!! > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> ~ PHC CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE ~ > >> > >> The information contained in this document may be privileged, > >> confidential, and protected under applicable law and is intended solely > for > >> the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. 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If you have received this communication in error, please > notify > >> the sender immediately by telephone and destroy the document. > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Still Going Strong!!! > > > > > > -- > Still Going Strong!!! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 22:25:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D6A10656B5 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:25:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kazakevichilya@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4283F8FC14 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwc33 with SMTP id 33so4188878wwc.31 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:25:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=16T02LSaxvqUEXJvYmatxJJUxYrd/JC5F8qXgSqasok=; b=LlRTKYpIN1tH/TLHYgyFSc4YVcgq2/BejqLsAuV0nij9D1taioRVeuSWhSyHCh6XPw v6wW6pLAv+EwPG+2yS8mWjQv7mj0husJDId2lscVS2SgfDihV/lSYdYjIOkFRphqOX7l HSBBVCrR2Wn6v95J2IDtZ1sMwPmPHvVFHZAfk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=qFaQMaZW8NJALWA7Z2dabOQQpP/Tn40qC9bFTsx5kGRvqwlVFWsLNP70xUOLeGizEb eMuKP2EPuzjFc7e14lebX/35ei35VXtIK7KXevkSHJCDsPpL38FeaL/Bz748jXYZNI5j ybJDSHkL1UI3zRcYavnS/q2cwaSeCu2ps/p1Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.198.206 with SMTP id ep14mr293732wbb.174.1300398890207; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.157.148 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:54:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:54:50 +0300 Message-ID: From: Ilya Kazakevich To: Ola Peters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: adding SRV records to a FreeBSD server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:25:13 -0000 Hello, What name server do you use? I am almost sure you have BIND. You must open your zonefile, add SRV record and reload zone. I think your zonefile is somewhere in /etc/namedb/ read bind manual, man named and man ndc (or rndc) to solve your problem. Your question is not about freebsd but about BIND. http://www.bind9.net/manuals On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Ola Peters wrote: > Hi there, > > Thanks so much for placing this contact information in your header! I am > trying to add SRV records to my name server, which is a FreeBSD box. > > (Output from uname -a): > > ns1# uname -a > FreeBSD ns1.partnershiphp.org 4.11-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE #0: Fri > Jan 21 17:21:22 GMT 2005 root@perseus.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > i386 > > I don't have a clue where to start and everytime I make a change, I bring > our website down. Do you have a link or an example to tell me where I can > do this? > > Thanks so much, > > Ola Peters > Senior Unix Administrator > IT Department > Partnership Healthplan of California > 360 Campus Lane, Suite 100 > Fairfield, CA 94534 > > Phone: (707) 863-4407 | Fax: (707) 863-4349 > > Email: opeters@partnershiphp.org > Our website: www.partnershiphp.org > > > ________________________________ > ~ PHC CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE ~ > > The information contained in this document may be privileged, confidential, > and protected under applicable law and is intended solely for the use of the > individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended > recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to > the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If > you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender > immediately by telephone and destroy the document. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 22:40:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894211065670 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:40:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=0050d13e24=johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [64.57.183.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2164A8FC14 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 76440 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2011 22:01:49 -0000 Received: from mail1.iecc.com (64.57.183.56) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2011 22:01:49 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=12fbb.4d828790.k1103; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=g35xY76vbc7IWsuGbNDg1df9kdARlH5Vsb1NuR7ox1g=; b=aypAvvHeH2uNhAaLAX2nTnyN3ARagYmnasPAyYbFIuuaA1b8R5WjF5uw3fh+ASoimzEGQCa0p61dsR5dhLC92irqBD6ZvyTL4eifAmo0URUO8/0k8rsVYJlfitK6fabP+XYmmyuBV4EPwxCIYAmDIQWYGwMcGUaug6GemvgQ4WQ= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Date: 17 Mar 2011 22:13:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20110317221336.77754.qmail@joyce.lan> From: John Levine To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20110317213336.GF10069@ece.pdx.edu> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd@t41t.com Subject: Re: How to tell whether CPU supports x64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:40:18 -0000 >I have a remote server, and I'd like to know if it will support >64-bit instructions. Is there some way I can tell? It's running 32-bit >FreeBSD right now. > >>From dmesg.boot: > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 > CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.40GHz (2387.76-MHz 686-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf29 Stepping = 9 > Features=0xbfebfbff > Features2=0x4400> > Logical CPUs per core: 2 > real memory = 1073676288 (1023 MB) > avail memory = 1041502208 (993 MB) > ACPI APIC Table: > FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs > cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 > cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 Looking at the Intel web site, the only Xeon I see that runs at 2.4GHz and has two cores with two threads is the Xeon 3060, which does indeed provide the 64 bit instruction set. http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27205&processor=3060&spec-codes=SL9TZ,SL9ZH,SLACD From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 22:44:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E350106566C for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:44:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC0A8FC13 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q0Lvx-0005tv-CM for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 23:44:45 +0100 Received: from pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.85.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 23:44:45 +0100 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 23:44:45 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:48:35 -0400 Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <20110317213336.GF10069@ece.pdx.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: How to tell whether CPU supports x64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:44:47 -0000 Tait wrote: > I have a remote server, and I'd like to know if it will support > 64-bit instructions. Is there some way I can tell? It's running 32-bit > FreeBSD right now. > >>From dmesg.boot: > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 > CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.40GHz (2387.76-MHz 686-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf29 Stepping = 9 > Features=0xbfebfbff > Features2=0x4400> > Logical CPUs per core: 2 > real memory = 1073676288 (1023 MB) > avail memory = 1041502208 (993 MB) > ACPI APIC Table: > FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs > cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 > cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 > > I've had no luck trying to search for the id/stepping. Would the > feature list show x64 support? > If memory serves, another way to look at it might be to check your Front Side Bus speed. If this is Socket 604 I believe FSB speeds of 533MHz were not 64 bit CPUs. I seem to recall that 64 bit support did not start until the 800MHz FSB processors came out. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 22:48:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E48C1065672 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:48:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dteske@vicor.com) Received: from postoffice.vicor.com (postoffice.vicor.com [69.26.56.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E898FC14 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:48:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.82.228.128] (port=59150) by postoffice.vicor.com with esmtpsa (SSLv3:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.74) (envelope-from ) id 1Q0LzW-00009s-Ka; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:48:28 -0700 From: Devin Teske To: Tait In-Reply-To: <20110317213336.GF10069@ece.pdx.edu> References: <20110317213336.GF10069@ece.pdx.edu> Organization: VICOR, Inc. Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:47:55 +0000 Message-ID: <1300402075.47040.54.camel@dt.vicor.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 X-Scan-Signature: 7cae7f85fe1875c3bbf6d4261624bd4e X-Scan-Host: postoffice.vicor.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="cp1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to tell whether CPU supports x64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:48:13 -0000 On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 14:33 -0700, Tait wrote: > I have a remote server, and I'd like to know if it will support > 64-bit instructions. Is there some way I can tell? It's running 32-bit > FreeBSD right now. > > >From dmesg.boot: > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 > CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.40GHz (2387.76-MHz 686-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf29 Stepping = 9 > Features=0xbfebfbff > Features2=0x4400> > Logical CPUs per core: 2 > real memory = 1073676288 (1023 MB) > avail memory = 1041502208 (993 MB) > ACPI APIC Table: > FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs > cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 > cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 > > I've had no luck trying to search for the id/stepping. Would the > feature list show x64 support? Just as an FYI, dmidecode offers a pretty comprehensive view of your hardware. Available both as a package and in the ports tree. -- Devin > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 22:48:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E061065714 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:48:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A2B538FC24 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:48:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 29799 invoked by uid 0); 17 Mar 2011 22:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2011 22:48:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=MAbGkb9jZ/AeHfYWrmdSqMT7u+y2cd6g/QOWu2MHj8VgD0rO99ZCxpnyUG0hafWwHSL5n2xnczXuZWej3O/rIyAzLOkIbSSuXEaWDdQeamxo9RZ4KKGUMEG876ggqVlS; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q0LzO-0004Rt-Ri for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:48:19 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:36:37 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:36:37 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110317223637.GA15933@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20110317144200.GA28942@takino.org> <20110317194852.GA15133@guilt.hydra> <20110317173557.131dddd5@scorpio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110317173557.131dddd5@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:48:20 -0000 --9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 05:35:57PM -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:48:52 -0600 > Chad Perrin articulated: >=20 > > I blame Microsoft, GNU, and Canonical for this trend, mostly. >=20 > Chad, I believe I stand on firm ground when I state that you would > blame Microsoft if the sun didn't come up tomorrow. You obviously must > have a life time membership to "Slashdot". I would not blame Microsoft if the sun doesn't come up tomorrow. I probably should have included Apple in my list, and in fact in this particular case I'm skeptical that Microsoft is even as much to blame for feeding this trend as Apple, at least in the cases of iOS and MacOS "classic" (though MacOS X does mitigate this corporate impulse a little bit). Every membership at Slashdot is lifetime, as far as I'm aware. If you create an account there, I don't think they delete it unless you do something really egregious to annoy the people who admin the site. That said, I've made comments to maybe two or three discussions at Slashdot in my life, I've only submitted one story there ever (and it wasn't accepted), and I have long since forgotten my login credentials for the site because I haven't visited it in years. You don't seem to stand on such firm ground, after all. Are you sure you're not thinking of some other Chad? Maybe you saw something aobut Rubyist and author Chad Fowler encouraging people to join a robots.txt fueled boycott of Microsoft's search engine. There's some crossover there, given I'm a Rubyist and an author (of a somewhat different, but related, variety) as well, though I never joined the robots.txt boycott. >=20 > Microsoft creates programs, utilities, etc. for Microsoft. With very > few exceptions, it does not actively create programming for a > non-windows theater. It certainly never created any programming for > *nix systems that deal with hardware discovery & configuration. > Microsoft is not your problem. The people writing software, drivers, > what have you for *.nix & *.BSD are your problem. Microsoft encourages, employs, and supports a software design philosophy that prioritizes user obsequious operation over user enabling functionality, regardless of whether any of Microsoft's offerings are compatible with any computing platforms outside of what Microsoft itself produces. By producing and marketing software that proceeds from that philosophy, organizations like Apple, Canonical, GNU, and Microsoft help push it into the mainstream within their particular market niches, where each of them is significantly influential. The people writing software, drivers, "what have you" for Unix-like OSes (including me) are to some extent influenced by these things. Despite the fact that Microsoft is not really in the Unixy markets very much, it has a disproportionately large effect on those markets because its flagship platform is so widely used by people who develop software, even when they are developing it for other platforms. >=20 > Contrary to whatever you may think, the over whelming majority of users > want a system that just works. They don't want to spend hours/days or > more just tying to get a printer or sound card to work. They would > rather leave that to people like you who have time to waste. Those of > us on the clock don't have the luxury of fiddling with a piece of > hardware when we could be doing something productive. I never said that offering automatic configuration is bad. I think it's great, as long as it doesn't hinder, override, obviate, or even prohibit user attempts to specify custom configuration. If you think I was saying nothing should ever be done automatically, you were not reading very closely. What I was saying was that trying to do things automatically in such a way that it *breaks* the ability to engage in direct customization when such is desired is a bad way to automate such things. It's great if sound "just works". It's not so great if some software tries to make sound "just work" and fails, then prevents the user from fixing it, when fixing it was trivially easy before that software was integrated into the standard distribution of the system. >=20 > Two statements in your post stand out as being totally bizarre. >=20 > 1) > People design software meant to eliminate the configuration and > management hassle from the end user, but it doesn't always work > perfectly. > >=20 > OK, what software always works correctly? That never fails, hangs, or > just blows up. Deal with it, it is a fact of life. Ask any of a number > of users who have tried to get OpenOffice to work as designed the first > time; or even ever. I never said any software "always works correctly". There actually is some software that does so, I'm sure -- but I was not saying that it was reasonable to excoriate the developers for writing the software in question in this case because there are bugs or limitations in the software's operation. That statement was not meant to be taken in a vacuum; it is the set-up for the following statement, and I believe that the fact you have taken it as a stand-alone comment conveying some critical judgment that was not in fact evident in my phrasing is an indication that you really are not interested in having a reasonable conversation. Indications, conversely, seem to suggest that you will take anything I say in the worst possible light, even inventing unreasonable interpretations of my words to support your belief that I'm a bad person for saying something unflattering about Microsoft. >=20 > 2) > Unfortunately, it so zealously attempts to guess what the > user wants that it effectively *disallows* easy fixes when the user > discovers that something needs to be "fixed". > >=20 > Of course your statement is sans any documented proof, which in itself > is not news worthy; however, who's specific configuration should the > designers of said software use for a template? I know, yours, right? It > is obvious that the designers are attempting to guess what the user > whats. Obviously, they are not going to guess right 100% of the time. > It is just the nature of the beast. Are you trying to say that you > cannot manually change a configuration file? By the way, it will only > get worse as no one can come to an agreement on one unified replacement > for HAL. Nothing like fragmentation to make things work better. I > believe that XFCE has dropped all support for HAL too. Is that > Microsoft's fault too? This is not the six o'clock news. My statement does not need to be "newsworthy". It is a simple statement of my perspective and experience. If you have some kind of evidence or reasoned argument to the contrary, please share it; I'll be happy to consider it and, if I find it worthy, change my perspective accordingly. Simply accusing me of being some kind of anti-Microsoft zealot based on the turning of the tides and astrology (or whatever motivation you falsely apply to my statements) does not do much to convince me I'm wrong, though -- nor does pointing out that I have not cited scientific studies when making a simple observation based on my own experience. In any case, you seem to have completely missed my point here. My point is not that anyone should design software to enforce the configuration that works best for me, specifically. Rather, my point is that software developers should probably consider how easy it is to make things right when their software breaks. Of course I can manually change a configuration file, but I think you completely overlooked my statements about how things should really be easier than a lot of current autoconfig software makes it when the autoconfig needs to be overridden. >=20 > I have two Linksys Wireless-N PCI cards in front of me that work fine > on a Windows platform. FreeBSD doesn't even have a driver for them, > thereby rendering them useless. I suppose that is Microsoft's fault > too. No, not really. It's more the fault of the hardware manufacturer. I don't know why you have such a problem with me that you are unwilling to read my words as written, and just make up your own unreasonable interpretations and misrepresentations instead, but it isn't very amusing. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk2CjPUACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWkDgCguZ/iAtbwYkRz86LtTw4ni7CX pygAoMUjWs194gmWkJwbr+MtyVweArA5 =74rc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 22:59:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B7661065672 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:59:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@exonetric.com) Received: from relay0.exonetric.net (relay0.exonetric.net [82.138.248.161]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A01F38FC1E for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:59:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.7] (unknown [78.86.207.85]) by relay0.exonetric.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 425BF57009; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:39:41 +0000 (GMT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Mark Blackman In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:39:39 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <00693232-8D91-49A7-A829-24A35A100CFC@exonetric.com> References: To: Ola Peters X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: "questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: adding SRV records to a FreeBSD server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:59:27 -0000 Using the standard version query syntax below.. dig +short @ns1.partnershiphp.org version.bind txt chaos "DNS Server v2090" She seems to have a DNS server that I'm both unfamiliar with and unable to find with a search engine. So, as you say, this is a DNS server question not an OS question.=20 Ola, you must find out which software is being used to provide DNS name service from this machine before proceeding.=20 If 'lsof' is not already installed, as root, install it with pkg_add -rv = http://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/ports/i386/packages-4.1= 1-release/All/lsof-4.73.1.tgz then as root use=20 lsof -i :53 to identify the name service binary and current PID on your machine. With that data, you should be able to ask more specific questions about managing the name service being used. - Mark On 17 Mar 2011, at 21:54, Ilya Kazakevich wrote: > Hello, >=20 > What name server do you use? I am almost sure you have BIND. >=20 > You must open your zonefile, add SRV record and reload zone. > I think your zonefile is somewhere in /etc/namedb/ >=20 > read bind manual, man named and man ndc (or rndc) to solve your = problem. > Your question is not about freebsd but about BIND. > http://www.bind9.net/manuals >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Ola Peters = wrote: >=20 >> Hi there, >>=20 >> Thanks so much for placing this contact information in your header! = I am >> trying to add SRV records to my name server, which is a FreeBSD box. >>=20 >> (Output from uname -a): >>=20 >> ns1# uname -a >> FreeBSD ns1.partnershiphp.org 4.11-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE #0: = Fri >> Jan 21 17:21:22 GMT 2005 = root@perseus.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC >> i386 >>=20 >> I don't have a clue where to start and everytime I make a change, I = bring >> our website down. Do you have a link or an example to tell me where = I can >> do this? >>=20 >> Thanks so much, >>=20 >> Ola Peters >> Senior Unix Administrator >> IT Department >> Partnership Healthplan of California >> 360 Campus Lane, Suite 100 >> Fairfield, CA 94534 >>=20 >> Phone: (707) 863-4407 | Fax: (707) 863-4349 >>=20 >> Email: opeters@partnershiphp.org >> Our website: www.partnershiphp.org >>=20 >>=20 >> ________________________________ >> ~ PHC CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE ~ >>=20 >> The information contained in this document may be privileged, = confidential, >> and protected under applicable law and is intended solely for the use = of the >> individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the = intended >> recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the = message to >> the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any = dissemination, >> distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly = prohibited. If >> you have received this communication in error, please notify the = sender >> immediately by telephone and destroy the document. >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 23:27:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142C4106564A for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 23:27:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E5288FC08 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 23:27:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so3742242fxm.13 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:27:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=DH/MpKDvvJTAIPoKFJROncd4gBnf9AzKuRSUolfPxP4=; b=SQUvJJgzp5WbwNEl1RmLVtJw7MRvxVfT4YaqG/pHeS+xbwPZK4M/s2/dgYJ8BfoE4m qnfhXgd+46i8e7+IrZ1OWa/pYTkud1c/X1KuGk07bweSLvr4syQzGbeiuZ1vNnpBafvz hWnqev77AcLu5tNBWVoNpOISrfs4nJmnCYSVU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=dHG+P6ouWAJpqeMLdJqV7yeHEGpXQkESGPijxev8twY/WZiRFFR+GeZA2OAIPyIFt7 H046zr5R/1VmfupirFpeEYZxz1Zjzx5TekANQPRr1XAq/MxRCkik/rJHPxDGqKFiEz28 /HKQ/WcNXVM1QxS5Qv3Yl0sh5MUHqxhMrigbk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.1.76 with SMTP id 12mr418771fae.118.1300404433553; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.59.7 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:27:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20110317213336.GF10069@ece.pdx.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:27:13 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Ilya Kazakevich Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Tait , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to tell whether CPU supports x64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 23:27:15 -0000 On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Ilya Kazakevich wrote: > Afaik there should be "LM" in "AMD features" output. Even for Intel. Grep > your dmesg.boot for LM. > Please don't top-post. yes that is correct, LM stands for Long Mode which indicates amd64 support. If your CPU doesn't list it, it's either a 32 bit only CPU, or it's a bug. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 23:20:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 018281065673 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 23:20:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laszlo_danielisz@yahoo.com) Received: from web30803.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30803.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.146]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B6AD28FC08 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 23:20:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 83153 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Mar 2011 22:53:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1300402409; bh=suM5nlnA8jozAGD+Rb5+I1Sq9DfXn1cn3FoA6UOoKSw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wsozTIF00S695RcYu8+iNnFM7X3SBF3YnQCeDMUQW3P7Ekzj7Dv5OA+QFQhMfGclQHPbMbVyqtV5DRn8M3o+944J/jWSRkOMgBAyRC0ZbQmBa/dG4vGZ85J5TR4/81mRimgZGv0DHWDC+DL8327FPZ4PH+6uSGKRcrhlBU28QAc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 23:49:23 -0000 --Sig_/nLIZVFJ=p3_hDx1nQ1kP45a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:36:37 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 05:35:57PM -0400, Jerry wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:48:52 -0600 > > Chad Perrin articulated: > >=20 > > > I blame Microsoft, GNU, and Canonical for this trend, mostly. > >=20 > > Chad, I believe I stand on firm ground when I state that you would > > blame Microsoft if the sun didn't come up tomorrow. You obviously > > must have a life time membership to "Slashdot". >=20 > I would not blame Microsoft if the sun doesn't come up tomorrow. I > probably should have included Apple in my list, and in fact in this > particular case I'm skeptical that Microsoft is even as much to blame > for feeding this trend as Apple, at least in the cases of iOS and > MacOS "classic" (though MacOS X does mitigate this corporate impulse > a little bit). >=20 > Every membership at Slashdot is lifetime, as far as I'm aware. If you > create an account there, I don't think they delete it unless you do > something really egregious to annoy the people who admin the site. > That said, I've made comments to maybe two or three discussions at > Slashdot in my life, I've only submitted one story there ever (and it > wasn't accepted), and I have long since forgotten my login > credentials for the site because I haven't visited it in years. >=20 > You don't seem to stand on such firm ground, after all. Are you sure > you're not thinking of some other Chad? Maybe you saw something aobut > Rubyist and author Chad Fowler encouraging people to join a robots.txt > fueled boycott of Microsoft's search engine. There's some crossover > there, given I'm a Rubyist and an author (of a somewhat different, but > related, variety) as well, though I never joined the robots.txt > boycott. >=20 >=20 > >=20 > > Microsoft creates programs, utilities, etc. for Microsoft. With very > > few exceptions, it does not actively create programming for a > > non-windows theater. It certainly never created any programming for > > *nix systems that deal with hardware discovery & configuration. > > Microsoft is not your problem. The people writing software, drivers, > > what have you for *.nix & *.BSD are your problem. >=20 > Microsoft encourages, employs, and supports a software design > philosophy that prioritizes user obsequious operation over user > enabling functionality, regardless of whether any of Microsoft's > offerings are compatible with any computing platforms outside of what > Microsoft itself produces. By producing and marketing software that > proceeds from that philosophy, organizations like Apple, Canonical, > GNU, and Microsoft help push it into the mainstream within their > particular market niches, where each of them is significantly > influential. >=20 > The people writing software, drivers, "what have you" for Unix-like > OSes (including me) are to some extent influenced by these things. > Despite the fact that Microsoft is not really in the Unixy markets > very much, it has a disproportionately large effect on those markets > because its flagship platform is so widely used by people who develop > software, even when they are developing it for other platforms. >=20 >=20 > >=20 > > Contrary to whatever you may think, the over whelming majority of > > users want a system that just works. They don't want to spend > > hours/days or more just tying to get a printer or sound card to > > work. They would rather leave that to people like you who have time > > to waste. Those of us on the clock don't have the luxury of > > fiddling with a piece of hardware when we could be doing something > > productive. >=20 > I never said that offering automatic configuration is bad. I think > it's great, as long as it doesn't hinder, override, obviate, or even > prohibit user attempts to specify custom configuration. If you think > I was saying nothing should ever be done automatically, you were not > reading very closely. What I was saying was that trying to do things > automatically in such a way that it *breaks* the ability to engage in > direct customization when such is desired is a bad way to automate > such things. >=20 > It's great if sound "just works". It's not so great if some software > tries to make sound "just work" and fails, then prevents the user from > fixing it, when fixing it was trivially easy before that software was > integrated into the standard distribution of the system. >=20 >=20 > >=20 > > Two statements in your post stand out as being totally bizarre. > >=20 > > 1) > > People design software meant to eliminate the configuration and > > management hassle from the end user, but it doesn't always work > > perfectly. > > > >=20 > > OK, what software always works correctly? That never fails, hangs, > > or just blows up. Deal with it, it is a fact of life. Ask any of a > > number of users who have tried to get OpenOffice to work as > > designed the first time; or even ever. >=20 > I never said any software "always works correctly". There actually is > some software that does so, I'm sure -- but I was not saying that it > was reasonable to excoriate the developers for writing the software in > question in this case because there are bugs or limitations in the > software's operation. That statement was not meant to be taken in a > vacuum; it is the set-up for the following statement, and I believe > that the fact you have taken it as a stand-alone comment conveying > some critical judgment that was not in fact evident in my phrasing is > an indication that you really are not interested in having a > reasonable conversation. Indications, conversely, seem to suggest > that you will take anything I say in the worst possible light, even > inventing unreasonable interpretations of my words to support your > belief that I'm a bad person for saying something unflattering about > Microsoft. >=20 >=20 > >=20 > > 2) > > Unfortunately, it so zealously attempts to guess what the > > user wants that it effectively *disallows* easy fixes when the user > > discovers that something needs to be "fixed". > > > >=20 > > Of course your statement is sans any documented proof, which in > > itself is not news worthy; however, who's specific configuration > > should the designers of said software use for a template? I know, > > yours, right? It is obvious that the designers are attempting to > > guess what the user whats. Obviously, they are not going to guess > > right 100% of the time. It is just the nature of the beast. Are you > > trying to say that you cannot manually change a configuration file? > > By the way, it will only get worse as no one can come to an > > agreement on one unified replacement for HAL. Nothing like > > fragmentation to make things work better. I believe that XFCE has > > dropped all support for HAL too. Is that Microsoft's fault too? >=20 > This is not the six o'clock news. My statement does not need to be > "newsworthy". It is a simple statement of my perspective and > experience. If you have some kind of evidence or reasoned argument to > the contrary, please share it; I'll be happy to consider it and, if I > find it worthy, change my perspective accordingly. Simply accusing > me of being some kind of anti-Microsoft zealot based on the turning > of the tides and astrology (or whatever motivation you falsely apply > to my statements) does not do much to convince me I'm wrong, though > -- nor does pointing out that I have not cited scientific studies > when making a simple observation based on my own experience. >=20 > In any case, you seem to have completely missed my point here. My > point is not that anyone should design software to enforce the > configuration that works best for me, specifically. Rather, my point > is that software developers should probably consider how easy it is > to make things right when their software breaks. >=20 > Of course I can manually change a configuration file, but I think you > completely overlooked my statements about how things should really be > easier than a lot of current autoconfig software makes it when the > autoconfig needs to be overridden. >=20 >=20 > >=20 > > I have two Linksys Wireless-N PCI cards in front of me that work > > fine on a Windows platform. FreeBSD doesn't even have a driver for > > them, thereby rendering them useless. I suppose that is Microsoft's > > fault too. >=20 > No, not really. It's more the fault of the hardware manufacturer. Chad, up until this point I had taken your response seriously. In fact, I thought it was well presented. Then, you went and blew it. You fell into that trap that is all to prevalent in the open-source community, and especially odious with the *BSDs. That being the "blame the manufacturer" banner. If at first it doesn't work, blame the manufacturer. Strangely enough, those two Wireless-N cards work in Windows from at least XP forward (no surprise there), but they also work with Ubuntu from what I have read on their forums. I also believe that Linux supports the chip, although I don't have the time or ambition to check it out right now. I do remember checking over a year ago, and a driver was suppose to be available. BSD is notorious for bringing up the rear with its offerings of drivers. It is just easier to blame someone else I suppose. I know you are now going say that the hardware manufacturer should be responsible for the driver. I totally disagree. There is no way that a manufacturer can reasonably be expected to product a driver for the extremely fragmented open-source community. Look how much trouble nVidia had getting 64 bit drivers into FreeBSD. You cannot even get the community to agree on a replacement for HAL. They aim for the biggest target, linux and basically leave the rest to their own devices. You can blame the open-source community in general and *BSD in particular for that problem. Even if they did come to some consensus, they would end up in a pissing contest over the license. Go ahead, now you can blame Microsoft, Apple, GNU, the man in the moon, and who knows who else for that problem too. > I don't know why you have such a problem with me that you are > unwilling to read my words as written, and just make up your own > unreasonable interpretations and misrepresentations instead, but it > isn't very amusing. I wasn't trying to be amusing. Like I previously stated, I thought your response was fine, until you stated preaching the company gospel. --=20 Jerry =E2=9C=8C FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ The Wright Brothers weren't the first to fly. They were just the first not to crash. --Sig_/nLIZVFJ=p3_hDx1nQ1kP45a Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNgp3/AAoJEHdwsA8xwKhFZxsIAMlkF33s85BQC/iBL3wcGA9t DV07LmpLG0u+OdUECKV/wJHZlrvubaglQIkZhd4r0o0Wf/adukKWP5NZ/Yn42O8O k88tCKYM9JyhLfeKHNET4I6Slx6HNfDL3RkWzWOxgw4bGNPxAb973jqp4HmCX8Zp IXc/Lhlbpk3P4Vv700juHk6Yjb+TUPUJt3xpYP++tdLy+rVYq2Kha6HQ/zC4j9lm yCOoC6LOly5W6Jxrh9e8gHGYLWwPGnnin7A376ZqXD07aq3G/D9aso3TazbuvL3T U5MR/MOhgUXR0rzn3Gn0/NF11Lr5IjhDbvqsZSBex9zvw6MVOr1LfVTbduI4wB0= =M3ZY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/nLIZVFJ=p3_hDx1nQ1kP45a-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 00:20:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE511065670 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:20:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D55C68FC13 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.186]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0784A5C35 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:28:10 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4D82A556.3000309@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:20:38 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20110204 Thunderbird/3.0.11 ThunderBrowse/3.3.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110307162153.0463fa73@atmarama.net> <20110307170014.GB65289@guilt.hydra> <4D7FE8E1.90600@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20110315203753.55f1ec3b@scorpio> <20110316004351.GA6614@guilt.hydra> <20110316180938.GA10333@guilt.hydra> <4D815D0A.8050404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:20:29 -0000 On 03/18/11 03:35, David Brodbeck wrote: > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Da Rock > wrote: > >>> The problem is it'd have to be someone who's unemployed. ;) Any >>> software company is going to want to patent something that valuable; >>> they'd be failing their shareholders if they didn't. >>> >>> >> Except a private company. >> > Yeah, but most private software companies are trying to get bought > out by one of the big guys, in which case a good patent portfolio is > helpful. I remember hearing about one company in the 90s that > actually had "be acquired by Microsoft" as part of their long-term > business plan. > Ha! You're right. I should have mentioned that management would have to have a longer term, particular socially responsible view of things. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 00:27:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2AF31065673 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:27:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5EDA8FC17 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:27:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C97452845B for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:27:32 -0400 From: Daniel Staal To: FreeBSD Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20110317194858.61c4a03b@scorpio> References: <20110317144200.GA28942@takino.org> <20110317194852.GA15133@guilt.hydra> <20110317173557.131dddd5@scorpio> <20110317223637.GA15933@guilt.hydra> <20110317194858.61c4a03b@scorpio> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:27:34 -0000 --As of March 17, 2011 7:48:58 PM -0400, Jerry is alleged to have said: >> > >> > I have two Linksys Wireless-N PCI cards in front of me that work >> > fine on a Windows platform. FreeBSD doesn't even have a driver for >> > them, thereby rendering them useless. I suppose that is Microsoft's >> > fault too. >> >> No, not really. It's more the fault of the hardware manufacturer. > > Chad, up until this point I had taken your response seriously. In fact, > I thought it was well presented. Then, you went and blew it. You fell > into that trap that is all to prevalent in the open-source community, > and especially odious with the *BSDs. That being the "blame the > manufacturer" banner. If at first it doesn't work, blame the > manufacturer. Strangely enough, those two Wireless-N cards work in > Windows from at least XP forward (no surprise there), but they also > work with Ubuntu from what I have read on their forums. I also believe > that Linux supports the chip, although I don't have the time or > ambition to check it out right now. I do remember checking over a year > ago, and a driver was suppose to be available. BSD is notorious for > bringing up the rear with its offerings of drivers. It is just easier > to blame someone else I suppose. I know you are now going say that the > hardware manufacturer should be responsible for the driver. I totally > disagree. There is no way that a manufacturer can reasonably be expected > to product a driver for the extremely fragmented open-source > community. Look how much trouble nVidia had getting 64 bit drivers > into FreeBSD. You cannot even get the community to agree on a > replacement for HAL. They aim for the biggest target, linux and > basically leave the rest to their own devices. You can blame the > open-source community in general and *BSD in particular for that > problem. Even if they did come to some consensus, they would end up in a > pissing contest over the license. --As for the rest, it is mine. Given that he's answering off the cuff as it were, and knows absolutely nothing about the cards... The manufacturer is a decent random guess as to who's fault it is. It's not Microsoft's, it might be the hardware manufacturer's, or it might be the FreeBSD team's. The FreeBSD team generally does a good job at trying to get drivers for everything it can, so there is slightly more chance that a random card doesn't work because of the manufacturer than because of the FreeBSD team. The additional knowledge that Linux supports them means the manufacturer isn't totally closed to supporting Open-source software, but tells us nothing beyond that. Linux's support may be by way of a binary blob from Linksys, which doesn't help FreeBSD at all. The cards would still need to be reverse-engineered from scratch. If the manufacturer releases some technical documents on how to talk to the cards, that's a start at helping people write drivers. Even if they do nothing else. But chewing out Chad because he makes the guess that two cards he knows nothing about are not supported because the manufacturer hasn't supplied the support to make them supported (which they probably have on at least Windows, if not Linux as well) is just blaming him for not being able to read your mind about hardware you have in hand. Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 00:38:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F461065675 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:38:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 431008FC0A for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:38:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 23384 invoked by uid 0); 18 Mar 2011 00:38:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2011 00:38:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=Lv3qgy5Its8m21yxmXdzJSW3hEk1Gg7BU6Itv9F+QxSoKlqmuX0Kr11GnUq0+MViC1jDLcJU2qMNMjTGm4zCE4xNr59/aL+P1IsEIuS31G5R6D8RMKqk+oRqiGBhFdXo; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q0NiA-00049s-Cg for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:38:39 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:26:57 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:26:57 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110318002657.GA16316@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20110317144200.GA28942@takino.org> <20110317194852.GA15133@guilt.hydra> <20110317173557.131dddd5@scorpio> <20110317223637.GA15933@guilt.hydra> <20110317194858.61c4a03b@scorpio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110317194858.61c4a03b@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:38:40 -0000 --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 07:48:58PM -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:36:37 -0600 > Chad Perrin articulated: > >=20 > > No, not really. It's more the fault of the hardware manufacturer. >=20 > Chad, up until this point I had taken your response seriously. In fact, > I thought it was well presented. Then, you went and blew it. You're joking -- right? You haven't taken anything seriously so far other than your own attempts to misrepresent everything I've said. If you want to continue misrepresenting what I said back at me, I recommend you do so off-list rather than clutter up this list any further with it. Maybe, if you contact me off-list, you can explain your clear anti-Chad bias a bit, too. > > I know you are now going say that the hardware manufacturer should be > responsible for the driver. Once again, you demonstrate only that you do not know anything about me. This seems to happen every time you use words like "I know" when referring to me, my motivations, my actions, and my opinions. Maybe you should stop. The manufacturer does not need to take responsibility for any driver development it does not want to undertake. That does not change the fact that many manufacturers bend over backwards to support one OS and fail to provide sufficient documentation for their hardware interfaces to make it easy for the developers of other OSes to develop drivers independently, so that though the hardware manufacturers are in no way obligated to write drivers (or even provide the documentation needed to support independent driver writers), they *are* to some extent susceptible to blame for the lack of drivers. Even as simple a step as opening up the source to the drivers they provide, preferally under maximally reusable (i.e. copyfree or public domain) licensing terms, for some OSes would be a big help to independent driver writers -- but many hardware manufacturers and vendors fail to do so for no good reason they have ever articulated. That is part of what is to blame for the lack of drivers for some hardware in some OSes. You act as though all it takes for a driver to get added to an OS is for some developer with commit access to snap his fingers, and it must be the fault of the OS developers that a driver is missing. The truth of the matter is that developers must prioritize their work, and tend to do so based not only on what they think is important but also on what they are most qualified to address and what will take more time than they have to devote to the project. Requiring developers to reverse-engineer drivers for other OSes creates some really awful speedbumps on the path to driver development. > > Look how much trouble nVidia had getting 64 bit drivers into FreeBSD. If nVidia opened the source to just one of its drivers under a license that effectively guaranteed everyone could use the code, it would give everybody in the open source community a tremendous leg up on doing the work that nVidia did, saving nVidia a lot of time. I have read that there are some patent issues that make it difficult for nVidia and AMD/ATI to do so, involving patents that Intel holds in fact, but I also see that while nVidia goes to the trouble of producing closed source drivers for FreeBSD, AMD/ATI has been working with an open source development group to provide documentation for everything not protected by patent to aid in the development of open source drivers. While the latter takes a little longer up front, it also offers much greater returns on investment in the form of someone other than internal development teams doing the work to create drivers for many OSes. Somewhere in the chain, there's someone involved in those network adapters' manufacture that is standing in the way of easier development of drivers. As a result, somebody -- a patent holder, a vendor executive, whatever -- is preventing the documentation and release of clear specs or source code that could be used to jump-start driver development. If nobody does that, then yes, someone out there in the hardware manufacturing chain is at least in part to blame for the lack of drivers, given that it is obvious no developer has unlimited resources to write all the source code the universe needs in the next thirty seconds. > > You can blame the open-source community in general and *BSD in > particular for that problem. Even if they did come to some consensus, > they would end up in a pissing contest over the license. There wouldn't need to be any arguments over licensing if the most basic functionality were provided under licenses that are broadly compatible. I really don't see why anyone would think that using a license that precludes license compatibility with other software is a good idea. It just forces people to duplicate effort endlessly: Code Reuse and Technological Advancement http://blogstrapping.com/?page=3D2011.060.00.28.21 > > > > I don't know why you have such a problem with me that you are > > unwilling to read my words as written, and just make up your own > > unreasonable interpretations and misrepresentations instead, but it > > isn't very amusing. >=20 > I wasn't trying to be amusing. Like I previously stated, I thought your > response was fine, until you stated preaching the company gospel. I think you thought it was fine until you found an excuse to get pissed off by way of misinterpreting something I said -- to some extent, *wilfully* misinterpreting it. That's really your problem, and not mine. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk2CptEACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXupACeM5T1z5EU+XRCfNiLWfw9g8OY Km8AniI8wweb6lh58JzeGl9itEumYSaa =AOud -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 00:42:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DFD106564A for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:42:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [66.147.249.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5480B8FC15 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 13334 invoked by uid 0); 18 Mar 2011 00:42:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy1.bluehost.com.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2011 00:42:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=YKNTfsOmHHhtPvVLo86sSCOANPToaFbPOo35moayLbAbB+GMHzklZh8T1gGwVTyuPPuJoDilLv9mYUGgLX0mlMDd9niDP1r8MPaEJmT3Om3lNyqwIBLjKaL62HRDEdOY; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q0Nli-0000HF-HD for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:42:19 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:30:37 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:30:37 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110318003037.GB16316@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110317213336.GF10069@ece.pdx.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gatW/ieO32f1wygP" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: How to tell whether CPU supports x64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:42:20 -0000 --gatW/ieO32f1wygP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 06:27:13PM -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: >=20 > yes that is correct, LM stands for Long Mode which indicates amd64 suppor= t. > If your CPU doesn't list it, it's either a 32 bit only CPU, or it's a bug. =2E . . or maybe it is a 64 bit CPU that is not x86_64/amd64 compatible. Do IA-64 (Itanium), IBM POWER, and SPARC 64 bit processors use the same Long Mode functionality? --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --gatW/ieO32f1wygP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk2Cp60ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVgNwCdEy0yYI+QrXa0EaGa6XB3ZYBs 0rkAoIxbWAMTtgaRCUs7dx0Qv5WQweV6 =4UCS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gatW/ieO32f1wygP-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 00:46:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAEBC106566B for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:46:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [66.147.249.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9997C8FC08 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:46:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 22503 invoked by uid 0); 18 Mar 2011 00:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy1.bluehost.com.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2011 00:46:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=H4SSi+chKiKeUBRuxadCE6PlfPnEeRYWC8sbKvfOr6mTRht3yM4l9H8JfTwClR0T9FoxEClPEzFU14+A+Gl24dtKLzty74vTo3DlaxilGMgsX1BwAAUWHjjxTsQeu/CK; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q0Nq9-0005aw-RJ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:46:54 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:35:12 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:35:12 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110318003512.GA16444@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20110317144200.GA28942@takino.org> <20110317194852.GA15133@guilt.hydra> <20110317173557.131dddd5@scorpio> <20110317223637.GA15933@guilt.hydra> <20110317194858.61c4a03b@scorpio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:46:55 -0000 --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 08:27:32PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote: >=20 > The additional knowledge that Linux supports them means the manufacturer= =20 > isn't totally closed to supporting Open-source software, but tells us=20 > nothing beyond that. Linux's support may be by way of a binary blob from= =20 > Linksys, which doesn't help FreeBSD at all. The cards would still need t= o=20 > be reverse-engineered from scratch. It doesn't even tell us that much. It may be that someone decided to spend an incredible amount of time and energy reverse-engineering the hardware interface for the device and the driver software used on another OS, then built a driver that has for some reason (probably licensing) presented enough of a challenge to incorporation into a BSD Unix system that building something similarly for FreeBSD has proved challenging (to put it kindly). >=20 > If the manufacturer releases some technical documents on how to talk to t= he=20 > cards, that's a start at helping people write drivers. Even if they do= =20 > nothing else. >=20 > But chewing out Chad because he makes the guess that two cards he knows= =20 > nothing about are not supported because the manufacturer hasn't supplied= =20 > the support to make them supported (which they probably have on at least= =20 > Windows, if not Linux as well) is just blaming him for not being able to= =20 > read your mind about hardware you have in hand. Thanks. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk2CqMAACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWTzwCgpPi1Fi9YFKoqEofCa57DviD0 +OkAnifrrAmT7oBfKRsNQ/82W3H9n+Zs =1j7s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 00:54:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313FD1065675 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:54:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB09B8FC15 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:54:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so3795750fxm.13 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:54:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=iIIVUYixk+64EuoAW7FmIvsXzQc4NVS9gD/ghqBgYzQ=; b=gQ+Cn6KxtABaI5IFw39dIaL4iOzQYj2rplhxvO6Gjj8Zr9mka8QJQR7nAHzHNCWmYC 48ESju9DM0PH9sX+EXQyIWb45KNdWbUevc8xU1gXi/ssbgYvzsfrKGJdBRnRMhvVlDZ1 1jcYLl5K0su76JGij5YQQP1nATGzmMbpUk9ZQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=CJ4TC5xeNeFfgJlGjkY+wp+Ud8JZjTjWBtODiCIG8EeEoEiKsOKFUTUe6o2d0QIN5Q N4f3LIHznbfUYU+XUK5mSIJ1ZD+VVu8RjWqY3E9iCCXQW9MtubOkX2+BMZCpVlLvL2oM wwpwKB3MCTgFocYEsfVdFjL3T2u/mtaXLwW2g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.1.76 with SMTP id 12mr500527fae.118.1300409653368; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.59.7 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:54:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110318003037.GB16316@guilt.hydra> References: <20110317213336.GF10069@ece.pdx.edu> <20110318003037.GB16316@guilt.hydra> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:54:13 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Chad Perrin Subject: Re: How to tell whether CPU supports x64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:54:15 -0000 On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > . . . or maybe it is a 64 bit CPU that is not x86_64/amd64 compatible. > Do IA-64 (Itanium), IBM POWER, and SPARC 64 bit processors use the same > Long Mode functionality? > No, it is a function of it's ancestry, real mode, protected mode(16 & 32), and long mode. Completely 64 bit native architectures like IA-64 have no need for such tricks, -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 01:05:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F84106564A for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 01:05:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67F3B8FC08 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 01:05:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861432845B for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:05:49 -0400 From: Daniel Staal To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4D8136E8.2050106@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <21D3DE2D-2C1E-4C7B-860E-C637C746150A@forsythia.net> <86lj0j9cwd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86hbb6aply.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <78E237A573166F9C62551A78@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <864o76abzp.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86hbb2x68l.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86ipviviy6.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <4D8136E8.2050106@infracaninophile.co.uk> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 01:05:50 -0000 --As of March 16, 2011 10:17:12 PM +0000, Matthew Seaman is alleged to have said: > I suggest you try out your update in a VM then, because I doubt anyone > will produce an answer definitive enough for you. --As for the rest, it is mine. In case anyone still cares, and if a VM running in Parallels on an OS X box is a good enough test for people... Matthew's answer tested out as being correct. The VM booted correctly after the binary update, but failed after upgrading the version of the zpool. Notably, `zpool upgrade -a` mentioned this in it's output, and gave the command to fix the problem. (Which would update the bootloader.) Daniel T. 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This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 01:15:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3558A106566C for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 01:15:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [66.147.249.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EE24A8FC15 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 01:15:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 15341 invoked by uid 0); 18 Mar 2011 01:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy1.bluehost.com.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2011 01:15:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=ApL/C4HqmdIeN8JKE55QIpr0yWK0pWNSYNgoYkr0jvSvI8tWiPRwol2FYXwuzKfnTaOz0zR1kSt1rsq/gb388q3gL5riojzV/KgXqXTAGANMCdjGC94WFrq77UcKS/cS; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q0OHL-0004tn-Gj for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:15:00 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:03:18 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:03:18 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110318010318.GA16640@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110317213336.GF10069@ece.pdx.edu> <20110318003037.GB16316@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: How to tell whether CPU supports x64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 01:15:01 -0000 --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 07:54:13PM -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: >=20 > > . . . or maybe it is a 64 bit CPU that is not x86_64/amd64 compatible. > > Do IA-64 (Itanium), IBM POWER, and SPARC 64 bit processors use the same > > Long Mode functionality? > > >=20 > No, it is a function of it's ancestry, real mode, protected mode(16 & 32), > and long mode. Completely 64 bit native architectures like IA-64 have no > need for such tricks, That's what I thought -- I just wanted to be sure before committing myself to a statement to that effect, since CPU arhictectures are not my specialty by any stretch of the imagination. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk2Cr1YACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKX+RACfWyopPvzPRP3xTlp7JXi6B8fU C70AoNf+f0LhT6wJUldgqHwGGCSxGlDJ =TLCc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 03:07:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51BD1065670 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 03:07:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from ozzie.tundraware.com (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639CE8FC1D for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 03:07:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (viper.tundraware.com [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by ozzie.tundraware.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2I2hc8l065188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:43:38 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Message-ID: <4D82C6D5.3060605@tundraware.com> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:43:33 -0500 From: Tim Daneliuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]); Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:43:38 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: p2I2hc8l065188 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No Subject: Emacs Throwing Errors On X X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 03:07:49 -0000 Some time ago, emacs started doing this on startup under X: (emacs:65141): GLib-WARNING **: In call to g_spawn_sync(), exit status of a child process was requested but SIGCHLD action was set to SIG_IGN and ECHILD was received by waitpid(), so exit status can't be returned. This is a bug in the program calling g_spawn_sync(); either don't request the exit status, or don't set the SIGCHLD action. GConf Error: Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NFS locks due to a system crash. See http://projects.gnome.org/gconf/ for information. (Details - 1: Failed to get connection to session: Command line `dbus-launch --autolaunch=cd85f2237549bffeda2c670600026934 --binary-syntax --close-stderr' exited with non-zero exit status 2655224: ) (emacs:65141): GLib-WARNING **: In call to g_spawn_sync(), exit status of a child process was requested but SIGCHLD action was set to SIG_IGN and ECHILD was received by waitpid(), so exit status can't be returned. This is a bug in the program calling g_spawn_sync(); either don't request the exit status, or don't set the SIGCHLD action. Other Relevant Info: FBSD 8.2-STABLE (But it happened prior to this release as well) emacs-23.2_4,2 gconf2-2.32.0_2 -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 03:39:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60902106564A for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 03:39:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jimmiejaz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243B98FC13 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 03:39:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyj12 with SMTP id 12so4202915iyj.13 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:39:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HFj17GesZvWVNNaDp567Ym83OiRcqgrQjnCeq25MLBY=; b=Fm56PZylOAislCDjfATGLEnK/EjcBG8J7lSr127C3agLU7He6PPprRym/HXYegJ1fl DV/aaTHH9O7m+jTAaPdMJak5i7ZHhZeFj2wzAJzyoBTQb9oN/9tdPvzRjc9ugkU/+KHN 6LeZwGm2rPzkMBmFJVDVF/9CRbXOd4CxZjMp0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=P0NYMSlno9x+NWEKTDgcvSsmxWZq5Jt68M+Y3Hvhz8dJs2+h9qa8mhrlGtKIA/nHLi BwDqtwXSwGF8R1z9n5M75YazYp0xksGiqbJfyice2Uv+q7K6J/s+Wm0/aNz5Rlklxsyo CQ7RKSzXQJBZUVMka2LaL24fZ/MLOHQeT2wdo= Received: by 10.231.206.14 with SMTP id fs14mr493062ibb.104.1300418119703; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jimmiejaz.org (bas9-toronto63-1128677805.dsl.bell.ca [67.70.65.173]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gy41sm1035314ibb.39.2011.03.17.20.15.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4D82CE43.5020608@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 23:15:15 -0400 From: Jimmie James User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110308 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: webcamd startup problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jimmiejaz@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 03:39:34 -0000 Hope someone can see what I missed here, as the topic says, webcamd doesn't start at boot. Logitec USB cameram product 0x08b2 vendor 0x046d, is plugged in, works wonderfully in skype-2.0.0.72,1, emesene-1.6.3, pwcview, etc.. grep webc /etc/rc.conf webcamd_enable="YES" -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 775 Mar 8 19:35 /usr/local/etc/rc.d/webcamd grep cuse /boot/loader.conf cuse4bsd_load="YES" The camera doesn't show up when I boot the system, webcamd doesn't start. I have to run webcamd & to start it, and it happily prints out, Attached ugen2.2[0] to cuse unit 0 Creating /dev/video0 So, my question is, why isn't this starting at boot? -- I am currently away on leave, traveling through time and will be returning last week. Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 03:50:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED93106564A for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 03:50:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhfoo-ml@extracktor.com) Received: from mail.nexlabs.com (mail.nexlabs.com [210.193.32.133]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C0F988FC16 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 03:50:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 66611 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2011 03:50:37 -0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on frostbite.nexlabs.local X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.6 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_00,FH_DATE_PAST_20XX, RCVD_IN_PBL,RDNS_NONE shortcircuit=no autolearn=no version=3.2.5 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.190?) (jhfoo@nexlabs.com@210.193.17.86) by mail.nexlabs.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2011 03:50:37 -0000 Message-ID: <4D82D601.6020301@extracktor.com> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:48:17 +0800 From: Foo JH User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D782C8D.3020102@extracktor.com> <1299728031.72606.5.camel@server-3.juanyjosefina.com> In-Reply-To: <1299728031.72606.5.camel@server-3.juanyjosefina.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 03:50:32 -0000 Hello all, including the guys who responded. Thanks for the comments and tips/ links. I'd see what I can do to move fwd on the issue. Appreciate your feedback! On 3/10/2011 11:33 AM, Juan C. Valido wrote: > I'm an old "foggie" also and a lifetime Windows guy and I did a lot of > research and a lot of trial and error until I found Dan's blog. God > Bless the Man! Without his blog I would not have this server up. And yes > it's running gnome. https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/category/freebsd/ > > On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 09:42 +0800, Foo JH wrote: >> Hi guys, >> >> I know the steps are documented on the Handbook and all. I've tried to >> read, follow, and re-read the steps, but I'm not still getting any >> popular window manager up and running on my FreeBSD servers. Meanwhile >> new hires are seduced by the comes-with-it windows manager via Ubuntu >> Desktop (yes, they abstained from the server edition because they really >> wanted the GUI). >> >> If there is a kind soul who is willing to guide me through via IM (MSN/ >> Yahoo/ Skype), I'd much appreciate it. Please don't flame me for this >> email! >> >> Thanks. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 04:23:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2373D106564A for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 04:23:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=0051aff727=johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [64.57.183.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE5068FC08 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 04:23:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 42058 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2011 03:45:01 -0000 Received: from mail1.iecc.com (64.57.183.56) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2011 03:45:01 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=f9a0.4d82d800.k1103; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=8NfItswEW464CyNcrwdM66uZt6IqaFd8MYVge61dzH8=; b=eORNbkMS/rZytFjzbl5dRFVbU4ZiEzogHjtR3E5nEdK0Nkvh3ZXd7mNV3iNt7CftmSadmO/Y7TEs43BV+Nc5XWH1p8MPH4ZG9QHBB4onYxT2KFbuYU7F3W6B3N24/1MHXvfCFxC9kqmPPy8A3xP8cSIKsgAk2sxRCRHOVA5pYGA= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Date: 18 Mar 2011 03:56:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20110318035648.63903.qmail@joyce.lan> From: John Levine To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20110318003037.GB16316@guilt.hydra> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: perrin@apotheon.com Subject: Re: How to tell whether CPU supports x64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 04:23:30 -0000 >> yes that is correct, LM stands for Long Mode which indicates amd64 support. >> If your CPU doesn't list it, it's either a 32 bit only CPU, or it's a bug. > >. . . or maybe it is a 64 bit CPU that is not x86_64/amd64 compatible. >Do IA-64 (Itanium), IBM POWER, and SPARC 64 bit processors use the same >Long Mode functionality? This processor is currently running IA32 code. If you know any dual mode IA32/SPARC chips, I'd be most interested to hear about them. R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 06:48:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5553C106564A for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 06:48:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C1C8FC18 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 06:48:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwc33 with SMTP id 33so4497128wwc.31 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 23:48:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:date:to:cc:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-operating-system; bh=AphyzPrLLuJPmDn17kCQtZgtIRQknPGBUL5Bn8+fsIE=; b=grGLs8luJx6qXW5CtEUHu+SEpCiHgw3D80XlKOBycMphWJ5y+/tEJOsn9QnidVUuDy B5ENU9sHL6Lk8edBfCK+I/KDvD05COfwmiyrloWjxo5P4/ki4sNhD96YD/mQa6+aqxXm PKxClpl2Vmws1xff6r+Hk7zgfsYgECdcdWE0g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:date:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent:x-operating-system; b=bAxjBbEBqCXD/eqt/y+P+AsluYw0S9oJ5lwFWSeWev2C7y4fevaazM4RZyiZ2YKYYr 1rbVsldJdXd5l9YZgZBGvgjtRJKKXtIw+Ry0bcOwkPDsMHGXmvKgLLoloKooGO/5g1dw y4GlPXmB+9LMxKSpH+GLLHBB+Pa9iC4NZNsrU= Received: by 10.227.202.11 with SMTP id fc11mr743498wbb.131.1300429066862; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 23:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aperturelab ([194.176.96.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ed10sm1134552wbb.66.2011.03.17.23.17.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Mar 2011 23:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by aperturelab (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 18 Mar 2011 09:17:41 +0300 From: ameiji Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 09:17:41 +0300 To: Ilya Kazakevich Message-ID: <20110318061741.GA47713@aperturescience.org> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Laine , Ilya Kazakevich , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <00ca01cbe3da$e1ee5620$a5cb0260$@wakefield.sch.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE i386 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Booting from firmware RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 06:48:15 -0000 On Wed,16-03-2011 [16:25:54], Ilya Kazakevich wrote: > Thank you. > > I configured boot0 to my ar0 and tried to boot from it. It freezes. > I use RAID10 and Intel-ICH7. > > Looks like I've faced with some other troubles.. > > Ilya. > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 4:05 PM, mcoyles > wrote: > > > >This is probably more PC-specific than freebsd-specific question. I have > > >intel firmware raid. OS needs drivers to work with it. FreeBSD sees it as > > >ar0, so it has drivers. > > >But I want my OS to be installed on this drive and boot from it. It is not > > >good idea, but I really want to do it:) > > >Is it possible? > > > > > >boot0 and boot1 both work with HDD via BIOS interrupts and CHS, right? So, > > >how do they know how to access RAID? They has no drivers. > > >Or BIOS supports interrupts to access RAID with out of drivers? If so -- > > >what for drivers are needed? To access drive via ATA interface? > > > > Bios support interrupts and can thus boot from firmware raid. > > Under windows drivers typically just give you full speed / management > > features > > > > ----- > > Marci > > > > Hi, here what man atacontrol says: Although the ATA driver allows for creating an ATA RAID on disks with any controller, there are restrictions. It is only possible to boot on an array if it is either located on a real RAID controller like the Promise or Highpoint controllers, or if the RAID declared is of RAID1 or SPAN type; in case of a SPAN, the partition to boot must reside on the first disk in the SPAN. Not sure if it's your case though. -- A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 11:02:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0EC5106566C for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:02:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@t41t.com) Received: from ehlo.cat.pdx.edu (unknown [IPv6:2610:10:20:208:2e0:81ff:fe5d:b360]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C248FC13 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:02:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nemo.ece.pdx.edu (root@nemo.ece.pdx.edu [131.252.209.162]) by ehlo.cat.pdx.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id p2IB2nVJ022756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 04:02:49 -0700 Received: from nemo.ece.pdx.edu (tait@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nemo.ece.pdx.edu (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p2IB2nfO009124 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 04:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tait@localhost) by nemo.ece.pdx.edu (8.13.6/8.12.6/Submit) id p2IB2m3V009121 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 04:02:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: nemo.ece.pdx.edu: tait set sender to freebsd@t41t.com using -f Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 04:02:48 -0700 From: Tait To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110318110248.GG10069@ece.pdx.edu> References: <20110317213336.GF10069@ece.pdx.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110317213336.GF10069@ece.pdx.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.4 (ehlo.cat.pdx.edu [131.252.208.106]); Fri, 18 Mar 2011 04:02:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=6.0 tests=WCODE_3,WJAVA_2 autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on ehlo.cat.pdx.edu X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.5 at ehlo X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [solved] How to tell whether CPU supports x64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:02:52 -0000 The original system... I said (on 2011/03/17): > CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.40GHz (2387.76-MHz 686-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf29 Stepping = 9 > Features=0xbfebfbff > Features2=0x4400> > Logical CPUs per core: 2 > FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs > cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 > cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 Adam Vande More replied (on 2011/03/17): > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Ilya Kazakevich wrote: > > Afaik there should be "LM" in "AMD features" output. Even for Intel. Grep > > your dmesg.boot for LM. > > yes that is correct, LM stands for Long Mode which indicates amd64 support. > If your CPU doesn't list it, it's either a 32 bit only CPU, or it's a bug. Thanks everyone for the assistance. There is no LM feature in dmesg.boot for the system in question, although a different system reports: CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5520 @ 2.27GHz (2261.03-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x106a5 Stepping = 5 Features=0x1781fbff Features2=0x80182201> AMD Features=0x20100000 AMD Features2=0x1 Cores per package: 16 Logical CPUs per core: 2 The Intel site does say the E5520 supports x64. It seems the lack of LM in the original system does in fact mean it's a 32-bit only processor. John Levine replied (on 2011/03/17): > Looking at the Intel web site, the only Xeon I see that runs at 2.4GHz > and has two cores with two threads is the Xeon 3060, which does indeed > provide the 64 bit instruction set. I looked at the ark.intel.com site hoping to find what processor would report Id = 0xf29 Stepping = 9. I had no luck. I think the dual processors is because of HyperThreading, as indicated by the HTT feature, and that it's actually only a single core. Devin Teske replied (on 2011/03/17): > I wrote this for the job (please, suggestions/comments very welcome): > #include /* printf(3) */ > #include /* EXIT_SUCCESS exit(3) */ > ... I tried the program, and it reports "x86_64 support: NO" on both the original system, and the one above that appears to be x64-capable (although it is running the i386 install, which may be why?). Again, thanks all for the help. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 11:08:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E70F106566C for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:08:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF488FC16 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1Q0XXv-0006DZ-U4>; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:08:43 +0100 Received: from telesto.geoinf.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.86.198]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1Q0XXv-0008Pk-QY>; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:08:43 +0100 Message-ID: <4D833D3C.7080804@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:08:44 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" Organization: Freie =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Universit=E4t_Berlin?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110307 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 130.133.86.198 Cc: Subject: User authentication on Linux with FreeBSD OpenLDAP backend fails: pam_ldap: error trying to bind as user/Failed password for X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:08:45 -0000 Hello. I try to use a FreeBSD OpenLDAP (FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE/amd64, most recent OpenLDAP/openldap-sasl-server-2.4.24) as an authentication backend for an UBUNTU 10.10 server (using openldap 2.4.23). Most of the installation on the Ubuntu server has been successfully done (I'm not familiar with Linux, but it seems that things like pam and ldap are quite similar to FreeBSD's installation). From the Linux/Ubuntu server, I'm able to get all users and groups via 'getent passwd' and 'getent group', even 'id' on an OpenLDAP backed up user is successfully. But when it comes to a login via sshd, login fails with this error (loged on Linux Ubuntu in /var/log/auth.log): Mar 18 12:01:00 freyja sshd[26824]: Failed password for testuser from 192.168.0.128 port 40734 ssh2 Mar 18 12:01:23 freyja sshd[26854]: pam_ldap: error trying to bind as user "uid=testuser,ou=users,dc=geoinf,dc=freyja,dc=com" (Confidentiality required) Mar 18 12:01:25 freyja sshd[26854]: Failed password for testuser from 192.168.0.128 port 54156 ssh2 I'm able to login from other systems (FreeBSD 9 and 8) via this specific OpenLDAP server. Does anyone has a glue? Please set me CC, I'm not subscribing this list. Thanks in advance and regards, Oliver From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 11:18:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74CE21065678 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:18:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kazakevichilya@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0831B8FC13 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwc33 with SMTP id 33so4716843wwc.31 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 04:18:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=lrcpa5UWMavoj8q5zAi2LjXSyPsnV5mnRlni2bJsPe4=; b=TrmpeceQZiXIz7P1WyTnnGDlWIrYEtI69PsyJVLA+yQv0uJa9kgMDRS4r0TBJEsGfd UfKEMEwP/XnPXLKJJDw0QOZdR5vxusHABlQbon2I3z/yXYtQfZy0G9vEPZx8YZ98iMoU xW5BsVtQLlVF1To6QfkQUJvZT65fLWBbK34rA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=QUjWixJfTxP6cqZ8HZS9bnj41kdyluPa7GHLRS5mwi4AtXCUgUebd5SrKVYDJvQHVI F9+0PrKzFrVXw7P56fe5K9qBePwccvcL/hmfkg5ptZAokZHeOBOBhLw3ln19Jfs7YgTM lM0/qnUt7IVr6oZuVC0LPULr7veefjDN1Wl+A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.139.89 with SMTP id d25mr1116628wbu.58.1300447102868; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 04:18:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.157.148 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 04:18:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110318110248.GG10069@ece.pdx.edu> References: <20110317213336.GF10069@ece.pdx.edu> <20110318110248.GG10069@ece.pdx.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:18:22 +0300 Message-ID: From: Ilya Kazakevich To: Tait Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [solved] How to tell whether CPU supports x64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:18:24 -0000 > > AMD Features=0x20100000 > AMD Features2=0x1 > Cores per package: 16 > Logical CPUs per core: 2 > > The Intel site does say the E5520 supports x64. It seems the lack of LM > in the original system does in fact mean it's a 32-bit only processor. > Look again: AMD Features=0x20100000 NX,*LM* :) > > John Levine replied (on 2011/03/17): > > Looking at the Intel web site, the only Xeon I see that runs at 2.4GHz > > and has two cores with two threads is the Xeon 3060, which does indeed > > provide the 64 bit instruction set. > > I looked at the ark.intel.com site hoping to find what processor > would report Id = 0xf29 Stepping = 9. I had no luck. I think the > dual processors is because of HyperThreading, as indicated by the > HTT feature, and that it's actually only a single core. > > > Devin Teske replied (on 2011/03/17): > > I wrote this for the job (please, suggestions/comments very welcome): > > #include /* printf(3) */ > > #include /* EXIT_SUCCESS exit(3) */ > > ... > > I tried the program, and it reports "x86_64 support: NO" on both the > original system, and the one above that appears to be x64-capable > (although it is running the i386 install, which may be why?). > > > Again, thanks all for the help. > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 11:27:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6097106564A for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:27:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F6168FC18 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:27:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14459 invoked by uid 0); 18 Mar 2011 11:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2011 11:27:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=inOGcG/EBr8r8fFAHUzP+TIMPhvWd2WW+DMu2GeOjF8wrtRZ7zk1p7V77T6C05vEWvnmvJEN+LqRo3OlYvdnR5FAH4BfOJIMexgjhmMVFGGI6rI+EDPTabJ0PSFhhFIw; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q0Xpn-0004AO-Ln for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 05:27:12 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 18 Mar 2011 05:15:29 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 05:15:29 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110318111529.GA20088@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110317213336.GF10069@ece.pdx.edu> <20110318110248.GG10069@ece.pdx.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: [solved] How to tell whether CPU supports x64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:27:13 -0000 --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 02:18:22PM +0300, Ilya Kazakevich wrote: > > > > AMD Features=3D0x20100000 > > AMD Features2=3D0x1 > > Cores per package: 16 > > Logical CPUs per core: 2 > > > > The Intel site does say the E5520 supports x64. It seems the lack of > > LM in the original system does in fact mean it's a 32-bit only > > processor. > > >=20 > Look again: AMD Features=3D0x20100000 > NX,*LM* I believe the reference to "the original system" means the *other* system whose output was included in the email -- which does not show "AMD Features" data. The "original system" does not show a reference to LM, but the second system (whose output you quoted) *does*. =2E . . which to me suggests that the processor is 64 bit, but the "original system" for some reason does not recognize that fact. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk2DPtEACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVlpgCgt/3giLiadZIyt6Wsb2AB+uSa 70AAn3w2ipBfgrs2O6S4uyW/e38H/wNx =2FW9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 13:04:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF551065676 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:04:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755248FC1B for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:04:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so1764972gxk.13 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 06:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.22.29 with SMTP id 29mr1202798agv.32.1300453446264; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 06:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b3sm37675ana.24.2011.03.18.06.04.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 18 Mar 2011 06:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0AADEE54833 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 09:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 09:03:54 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110318090354.440f219c@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20110318002657.GA16316@guilt.hydra> References: <20110317144200.GA28942@takino.org> <20110317194852.GA15133@guilt.hydra> <20110317173557.131dddd5@scorpio> <20110317223637.GA15933@guilt.hydra> <20110317194858.61c4a03b@scorpio> <20110318002657.GA16316@guilt.hydra> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/FoQ+DRP/BbH10YQuvbSFMRt"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:04:08 -0000 --Sig_/FoQ+DRP/BbH10YQuvbSFMRt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:26:57 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 07:48:58PM -0400, Jerry wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:36:37 -0600 > > Chad Perrin articulated: > > >=20 > > > No, not really. It's more the fault of the hardware manufacturer. > >=20 > > Chad, up until this point I had taken your response seriously. In > > fact, I thought it was well presented. Then, you went and blew it. >=20 > You're joking -- right? >=20 > You haven't taken anything seriously so far other than your own > attempts to misrepresent everything I've said. >=20 > If you want to continue misrepresenting what I said back at me, I > recommend you do so off-list rather than clutter up this list any > further with it. Maybe, if you contact me off-list, you can explain > your clear anti-Chad bias a bit, too. >=20 > > > > I know you are now going say that the hardware manufacturer should > > be responsible for the driver. >=20 > Once again, you demonstrate only that you do not know anything about > me. This seems to happen every time you use words like "I know" when > referring to me, my motivations, my actions, and my opinions. Maybe > you should stop. >=20 > The manufacturer does not need to take responsibility for any driver > development it does not want to undertake. That does not change the > fact that many manufacturers bend over backwards to support one OS > and fail to provide sufficient documentation for their hardware > interfaces to make it easy for the developers of other OSes to > develop drivers independently, so that though the hardware > manufacturers are in no way obligated to write drivers (or even > provide the documentation needed to support independent driver > writers), they *are* to some extent susceptible to blame for the lack > of drivers. >=20 > Even as simple a step as opening up the source to the drivers they > provide, preferally under maximally reusable (i.e. copyfree or public > domain) licensing terms, for some OSes would be a big help to > independent driver writers -- but many hardware manufacturers and > vendors fail to do so for no good reason they have ever articulated. > That is part of what is to blame for the lack of drivers for some > hardware in some OSes. >=20 > You act as though all it takes for a driver to get added to an OS is > for some developer with commit access to snap his fingers, and it > must be the fault of the OS developers that a driver is missing. The > truth of the matter is that developers must prioritize their work, > and tend to do so based not only on what they think is important but > also on what they are most qualified to address and what will take > more time than they have to devote to the project. Requiring > developers to reverse-engineer drivers for other OSes creates some > really awful speedbumps on the path to driver development. >=20 >=20 > > > > Look how much trouble nVidia had getting 64 bit drivers into > > FreeBSD. >=20 > If nVidia opened the source to just one of its drivers under a license > that effectively guaranteed everyone could use the code, it would give > everybody in the open source community a tremendous leg up on doing > the work that nVidia did, saving nVidia a lot of time. I have read > that there are some patent issues that make it difficult for nVidia > and AMD/ATI to do so, involving patents that Intel holds in fact, but > I also see that while nVidia goes to the trouble of producing closed > source drivers for FreeBSD, AMD/ATI has been working with an open > source development group to provide documentation for everything not > protected by patent to aid in the development of open source > drivers. While the latter takes a little longer up front, it also > offers much greater returns on investment in the form of someone > other than internal development teams doing the work to create > drivers for many OSes. >=20 > Somewhere in the chain, there's someone involved in those network > adapters' manufacture that is standing in the way of easier > development of drivers. As a result, somebody -- a patent holder, a > vendor executive, whatever -- is preventing the documentation and > release of clear specs or source code that could be used to > jump-start driver development. If nobody does that, then yes, > someone out there in the hardware manufacturing chain is at least in > part to blame for the lack of drivers, given that it is obvious no > developer has unlimited resources to write all the source code the > universe needs in the next thirty seconds. >=20 >=20 > > > > You can blame the open-source community in general and *BSD in > > particular for that problem. Even if they did come to some > > consensus, they would end up in a pissing contest over the license. >=20 > There wouldn't need to be any arguments over licensing if the most > basic functionality were provided under licenses that are broadly > compatible. I really don't see why anyone would think that using a > license that precludes license compatibility with other software is a > good idea. It just forces people to duplicate effort endlessly: >=20 > Code Reuse and Technological Advancement > http://blogstrapping.com/?page=3D2011.060.00.28.21 >=20 >=20 > > > > > > I don't know why you have such a problem with me that you are > > > unwilling to read my words as written, and just make up your own > > > unreasonable interpretations and misrepresentations instead, but > > > it isn't very amusing. > >=20 > > I wasn't trying to be amusing. Like I previously stated, I thought > > your response was fine, until you stated preaching the company > > gospel. >=20 > I think you thought it was fine until you found an excuse to get > pissed off by way of misinterpreting something I said -- to some > extent, *wilfully* misinterpreting it. That's really your problem, > and not mine. Chad, you are an intelligent individual. I have no doubt of that. However, I think you have failed to think your entire "hardware manufacturers are evil for not supporting brand X" operating systems concept. Did you ever attend a real business school? If so, you might be familiar with the term "ROI" which stands for "return of investment". Before gong there, lets explore the world of open-source computing. According to what documentation I could locate, there are at least 23 different operating systems, in one form or another, presently available. Microsoft controls +/- 90%, with Mac at approximately 5%. The rest divide up what is left. FreeBSD is listed at a minuscule 0.01%. I found these at: . I obviously cannot vouch for their authenticity although they do seem consistent with other published reports I have seen in the past year. Now, it is a given that the conglomeration of non-Microsoft/non-Apple operating systems fail to offer a consistent/uniform API for the detection of and installation or procurement of drivers for devices on their respective systems. This can be attributed to several phenomena including testosterone poisoning (there was a rumor that the developers of their respective OSs carry rulers around with them). It has also been rumored that they suffer from Kainolophobia, Cenophobia and/or Cainophobia. They most definitely suffer from Allodoxaphobia when it does not agree with theirs. Now, I have a proposal. If the fragmented open-source community really wants to advance, and maybe FreeBSD actually reach a full percentage point, it has to agree on a common interface/API for the detection of, installation and configuration of devices on their respective systems. A uniform driver base is a must. I am not talking about a semi-uniform system; but rather a fully uniform system take works exactly the same on each system. This won't be easy for reasons previously mentioned; but it is doable. An additional benefit is that the time wasted now by each vendor attempting to create and maintain their own API would be eliminated. One common interface could be maintained by a far smaller group of developers thereby freeing up time to work on other system improvements. Obviously, licensing problems would have to be over come. Not impossible; although each vendor would indubitably do an academy award performance praising their own licensing implementation and ridiculing the others. Break out the rulers and let the pissing and moaning begin. Now, back to my ROI reference. If the above were to actually happen, hardware vendors would now only have to code and maintain one single driver database. Actually three is you include Microsoft and Apple. Interestingly enough, Microsoft and to a lesser degree Apple write drivers for some hardware on their respective systems. In any case, I believe hardware vendors would be willing to invest the time and money in such a venture since they would be able to shown a return on their investment without the need to divulge patented information regarding their devices. Even better, if such a plan were put into effect, any OS that refused to join the alliance would lose their right to blame the hardware manufactures since the blame would then unequivocally be theirs. A win-win solution for all involved. By the way, you noticed that I did not say that the vendors should implement a system that uses drivers developed for Microsoft or Apple systems directly on their systems. That would almost be to easy since it would eliminate the need for hardware vendors to code additional drivers. I would not even vouch that it is totally possible; although I am willing to bet that if enough money were involved, it would happen. Obviously, the major players have nothing to gain by creating just that sort of API. Now Chad, I know that you would never publicly approve of this solution since it goes counter to the "company line". Never-the-less, it would work and is doable. Now feel free to blame Microsoft, Apple, hardware manufacturers, the governor of Wisconsin or whomever else you feel is responsible for the sad state of device compatibility and driver availability that now exists in the open-source community. If you have a better solution please state it as long as it is not the same old, tired, socialistic propaganda that everyone should give us something for nothing including divulging patented and or company secrets. A philosophy that has proven to not work. The "they owe us" rhetoric is worn out and really makes a fool out of those who express such beliefs. --=20 Jerry =E2=9C=8C FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ Bureaucracy, n.: A method for transforming energy into solid waste. --Sig_/FoQ+DRP/BbH10YQuvbSFMRt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNg1hBAAoJEHdwsA8xwKhFbyoH/R9f4XTD6XpZW67SMMQGDmAr u7syWoj0fEWJw0JsKZ/Kg8aKkOFqUAMXbp6DGWQhbl78OrSCdI4HA7C2W5SZGyzC EAjCTR27KoVuWyg8p0KFBs3Cb1ApCCnO+WVwC79uFKsv57NSjV/dWdnAbMAAJT/d NpVFHoY8ow6l9MFZ1nx/lK8jAHTmpJLYggWGfzxggyLesQak+6yZlPAtdagoppaK x19UdPpbvBFpvCjQwNKhJmOu+KY/Uet9/cg759eU0+7fIAm1PifldzqL4gS0fP9J cCnany6Wp7cv8UgHRVSNQkZTczxPn2KRTkdbs+Xx3PyylqRDZZtIW373EWP8L0E= =whlj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/FoQ+DRP/BbH10YQuvbSFMRt-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 13:21:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2DE21065673 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:21:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4317C8FC0A for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:21:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so4078879wyf.13 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 06:21:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=hpTVVvBn2+nWM80T9HSCT5IQ1RgsXYvsZRqcGVvE2g4=; b=auLkGSexf47Oly6Wv6WsgqsQNtLZRioMO9hMGX7IQHcCz5WklRaTqaFLHURNF+Mj6G xd5v6vm9wvUaeGulXLlVRCx9Z7IHyuwvfFIoHtb8ZD2DocdhrcuwSqlhYo8fY95KaADe TRDcszCb3KOSKK9tXPrBdsBImChTNNpSr7g1A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=SQo3ltZf8CcOJToA+AYp3y0h5fi6l9YzzrNKCgJFTteZGuhmrTdfh6I+tzky3trq3H JOP7xOZqOO4By+nH1YNxA1MtOmVkURCRCAE5nK4frpf13Y/yZtB1S2VIuX9gDZPoGe6l wFodhSjZgZRP17YfJF95+I/7qS+kxrwoyLt6c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.135.230 with SMTP id u80mr2274379wei.114.1300454489194; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 06:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.187.16 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 06:21:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <19841.62982.169135.420172@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <4D80CA9D.9010506@infracaninophile.co.uk> <7301A0F7-8E70-40E8-B27F-6D67FFA41F2A@mac.com> <19841.62982.169135.420172@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:21:29 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: Robert Huff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Updating OpenSSH X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:21:30 -0000 On 17 March 2011 11:52, Robert Huff wrote: > > Carmel writes: > > > It is part of the base system. I don't know if it has a true > > maintainer. In any case, I would need commit privileges which I > > don't and never expect to have and have no desire to acquire.. > > I do not believe that is correct; a fair number of people > contribute productively to the base system with out being > committers. > > Respectfully, > > > Robert Huff > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > yep you just submit a patch, which if it passes muster will get commited From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 13:55:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9898C106566B for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:55:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2822A8FC15 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-1-243.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.1.243]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7997F1E66E; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:55:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p2IDtlug003853; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:55:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:55:47 +0100 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Message-Id: <20110318145547.be586eb0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110318090354.440f219c@scorpio> References: <20110317144200.GA28942@takino.org> <20110317194852.GA15133@guilt.hydra> <20110317173557.131dddd5@scorpio> <20110317223637.GA15933@guilt.hydra> <20110317194858.61c4a03b@scorpio> <20110318002657.GA16316@guilt.hydra> <20110318090354.440f219c@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jerry Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:55:50 -0000 Jerry, allow me to add something to your statements. On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 09:03:54 -0400, Jerry wrote: > Chad, you are an intelligent individual. I have no doubt of that. > However, I think you have failed to think your entire "hardware > manufacturers are evil for not supporting brand X" operating systems > concept. The problem is not "not supporting brand X", the problem is not supporting established and common standards. A device (whatever it may be) that conforms to the standards existing for that kind of device will work in ANY operating system that implements those standards. There is no predefined way HOW it does it, and it also doesn't matter AS LONG AS it does it. Of course it is the full right of manufactureres to use standards or to avoid them. History teaches that propretary stuff dies. Do you remember the Mini-CD? A great invention, doesn't exist anymore - just an example. > According to what documentation I could locate, there are at least 23 > different operating systems, in one form or another, presently > available. Microsoft controls +/- 90%, with Mac at approximately 5%. > The rest divide up what is left. FreeBSD is listed at a minuscule > 0.01%. I found these at: > . > I obviously cannot vouch for their authenticity although they do seem > consistent with other published reports I have seen in the past year. The big problem with those numbers - although they should be valid at large scale - is that they really concentrate on market share. As you correctly pointed out, FreeBSD is a minority in there. This is because there simply is no significant market. Market is derived from either volume sales (you buy it, ++, you throw it away without using it, still ++), licensing (you register something online, ++) or other means to obtain data (e. g. browser identification of visitors who view a certain web site). > Now, it is a given that the conglomeration of non-Microsoft/non-Apple > operating systems fail to offer a consistent/uniform API for the > detection of and installation or procurement of drivers for devices on > their respective systems. Fully agree. Although there are standards for many things, manufacturers don't intend to use them - and maybe this is even required due to the nature of their products. While development for free platforms doesn't involve specific licensing costs, it's hard work as well as for the propretary ones to implement a driver. > Now, I have a proposal. If the fragmented open-source community really > wants to advance, and maybe FreeBSD actually reach a full percentage > point, it has to agree on a common interface/API for the detection of, > installation and configuration of devices on their respective systems. > A uniform driver base is a must. This is relatively easy on systems like FreeBSD with a stable system level API, but can be considered more complicated on the many Linusi. > I am not talking about a semi-uniform > system; but rather a fully uniform system take works exactly the same > on each system. This won't be easy for reasons previously mentioned; > but it is doable. Sadly, I don't think so, but I'm just being realistic. > An additional benefit is that the time wasted now by > each vendor attempting to create and maintain their own API would be > eliminated. One common interface could be maintained by a far smaller > group of developers thereby freeing up time to work on other system > improvements. Obviously, licensing problems would have to be over come. They are one of the main problems in desktop area, as they do also affect fully functional multimedia capabilities. But it's not up to programmers to deal with that - it's the field of the lawyers. > Now, back to my ROI reference. If the above were to actually happen, > hardware vendors would now only have to code and maintain one single > driver database. But manufacturers do traditionally access "two markets": They get money (1st) by selling masses of cheap products that rely on proprietary systems, break after one year and include planned obsolescense as they are not compatible, and (2nd) by selling lower amounts of more expensive products to users who are aware of the fact explained first; those products are compatible to standards and have a longer life, and they can be re-used under changed circumstances. This way manufacturers profit from "both markets". The tendency seems to be that the 1st market is still growing (what a surprise: when the printer breaks after one year, you _have_ to buy a new one, and as it should be cheap... you know). The majority of users is not interested in "good for a long time". They require to buy "the best at the moment", and due to technical evolution, there's something new very month that needs to be bought, that _they_ "need" to have. They don't care for standardized operating system, they don't care for operating systems at all - they'll use whatever comes preinstalled. The desinterest in operating systems per se is the conclusion of the fact that people aren't using operating systems (although they are the basis that makes everything work); they use programs. > Interestingly enough, Microsoft and to a lesser degree Apple write > drivers for some hardware on their respective systems. Due to contracts with the manufacturers, this is easy for them, and they are interested to deliver improved performance, the options for lock-in, or legacy. > In any case, I > believe hardware vendors would be willing to invest the time and money > in such a venture since they would be able to shown a return on their > investment without the need to divulge patented information regarding > their devices. I don't believe the amount (relation) is profitable enough for them. They have good deals with MICROS~1 & Apple, and the free systems simply can't provide that. The majority is important, not "niche systems" (even if they do actually keep the whole Internet running). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 14:06:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B358106576F for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:06:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD6E8FC16 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:06:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.186]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E905C35 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 00:14:07 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4D8366EE.4050806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 00:06:38 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20110204 Thunderbird/3.0.11 ThunderBrowse/3.3.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110317144200.GA28942@takino.org> <20110317194852.GA15133@guilt.hydra> <20110317173557.131dddd5@scorpio> <20110317223637.GA15933@guilt.hydra> <20110317194858.61c4a03b@scorpio> <20110318002657.GA16316@guilt.hydra> <20110318090354.440f219c@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20110318090354.440f219c@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:06:26 -0000 On 03/18/11 23:03, Jerry wrote: > On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:26:57 -0600 > Chad Perrin articulated: > > >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 07:48:58PM -0400, Jerry wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:36:37 -0600 >>> Chad Perrin articulated: >>> >>>> No, not really. It's more the fault of the hardware manufacturer. >>>> >>> Chad, up until this point I had taken your response seriously. In >>> fact, I thought it was well presented. Then, you went and blew it. >>> >> You're joking -- right? >> >> You haven't taken anything seriously so far other than your own >> attempts to misrepresent everything I've said. >> >> If you want to continue misrepresenting what I said back at me, I >> recommend you do so off-list rather than clutter up this list any >> further with it. Maybe, if you contact me off-list, you can explain >> your clear anti-Chad bias a bit, too. >> >> >>> I know you are now going say that the hardware manufacturer should >>> be responsible for the driver. >>> >> Once again, you demonstrate only that you do not know anything about >> me. This seems to happen every time you use words like "I know" when >> referring to me, my motivations, my actions, and my opinions. Maybe >> you should stop. >> >> The manufacturer does not need to take responsibility for any driver >> development it does not want to undertake. That does not change the >> fact that many manufacturers bend over backwards to support one OS >> and fail to provide sufficient documentation for their hardware >> interfaces to make it easy for the developers of other OSes to >> develop drivers independently, so that though the hardware >> manufacturers are in no way obligated to write drivers (or even >> provide the documentation needed to support independent driver >> writers), they *are* to some extent susceptible to blame for the lack >> of drivers. >> >> Even as simple a step as opening up the source to the drivers they >> provide, preferally under maximally reusable (i.e. copyfree or public >> domain) licensing terms, for some OSes would be a big help to >> independent driver writers -- but many hardware manufacturers and >> vendors fail to do so for no good reason they have ever articulated. >> That is part of what is to blame for the lack of drivers for some >> hardware in some OSes. >> >> You act as though all it takes for a driver to get added to an OS is >> for some developer with commit access to snap his fingers, and it >> must be the fault of the OS developers that a driver is missing. The >> truth of the matter is that developers must prioritize their work, >> and tend to do so based not only on what they think is important but >> also on what they are most qualified to address and what will take >> more time than they have to devote to the project. Requiring >> developers to reverse-engineer drivers for other OSes creates some >> really awful speedbumps on the path to driver development. >> >> >> >>> Look how much trouble nVidia had getting 64 bit drivers into >>> FreeBSD. >>> >> If nVidia opened the source to just one of its drivers under a license >> that effectively guaranteed everyone could use the code, it would give >> everybody in the open source community a tremendous leg up on doing >> the work that nVidia did, saving nVidia a lot of time. I have read >> that there are some patent issues that make it difficult for nVidia >> and AMD/ATI to do so, involving patents that Intel holds in fact, but >> I also see that while nVidia goes to the trouble of producing closed >> source drivers for FreeBSD, AMD/ATI has been working with an open >> source development group to provide documentation for everything not >> protected by patent to aid in the development of open source >> drivers. While the latter takes a little longer up front, it also >> offers much greater returns on investment in the form of someone >> other than internal development teams doing the work to create >> drivers for many OSes. >> >> Somewhere in the chain, there's someone involved in those network >> adapters' manufacture that is standing in the way of easier >> development of drivers. As a result, somebody -- a patent holder, a >> vendor executive, whatever -- is preventing the documentation and >> release of clear specs or source code that could be used to >> jump-start driver development. If nobody does that, then yes, >> someone out there in the hardware manufacturing chain is at least in >> part to blame for the lack of drivers, given that it is obvious no >> developer has unlimited resources to write all the source code the >> universe needs in the next thirty seconds. >> >> >> >>> You can blame the open-source community in general and *BSD in >>> particular for that problem. Even if they did come to some >>> consensus, they would end up in a pissing contest over the license. >>> >> There wouldn't need to be any arguments over licensing if the most >> basic functionality were provided under licenses that are broadly >> compatible. I really don't see why anyone would think that using a >> license that precludes license compatibility with other software is a >> good idea. It just forces people to duplicate effort endlessly: >> >> Code Reuse and Technological Advancement >> http://blogstrapping.com/?page=2011.060.00.28.21 >> >> >> >>>> I don't know why you have such a problem with me that you are >>>> unwilling to read my words as written, and just make up your own >>>> unreasonable interpretations and misrepresentations instead, but >>>> it isn't very amusing. >>>> >>> I wasn't trying to be amusing. Like I previously stated, I thought >>> your response was fine, until you stated preaching the company >>> gospel. >>> >> I think you thought it was fine until you found an excuse to get >> pissed off by way of misinterpreting something I said -- to some >> extent, *wilfully* misinterpreting it. That's really your problem, >> and not mine. >> > Chad, you are an intelligent individual. I have no doubt of that. > However, I think you have failed to think your entire "hardware > manufacturers are evil for not supporting brand X" operating systems > concept. > > Did you ever attend a real business school? If so, you might be > familiar with the term "ROI" which stands for "return of investment". > Before gong there, lets explore the world of open-source computing. > According to what documentation I could locate, there are at least 23 > different operating systems, in one form or another, presently > available. Microsoft controls +/- 90%, with Mac at approximately 5%. > The rest divide up what is left. FreeBSD is listed at a minuscule > 0.01%. I found these at: > . > I obviously cannot vouch for their authenticity although they do seem > consistent with other published reports I have seen in the past year. > > Now, it is a given that the conglomeration of non-Microsoft/non-Apple > operating systems fail to offer a consistent/uniform API for the > detection of and installation or procurement of drivers for devices on > their respective systems. This can be attributed to several phenomena > including testosterone poisoning (there was a rumor that the developers > of their respective OSs carry rulers around with them). It has also > been rumored that they suffer from Kainolophobia, Cenophobia and/or > Cainophobia. They most definitely suffer from Allodoxaphobia when it > does not agree with theirs. > > Now, I have a proposal. If the fragmented open-source community really > wants to advance, and maybe FreeBSD actually reach a full percentage > point, it has to agree on a common interface/API for the detection of, > installation and configuration of devices on their respective systems. > A uniform driver base is a must. I am not talking about a semi-uniform > system; but rather a fully uniform system take works exactly the same > on each system. This won't be easy for reasons previously mentioned; > but it is doable. An additional benefit is that the time wasted now by > each vendor attempting to create and maintain their own API would be > eliminated. One common interface could be maintained by a far smaller > group of developers thereby freeing up time to work on other system > improvements. Obviously, licensing problems would have to be over come. > Not impossible; although each vendor would indubitably do an academy > award performance praising their own licensing implementation and > ridiculing the others. Break out the rulers and let the pissing and > moaning begin. > > Now, back to my ROI reference. If the above were to actually happen, > hardware vendors would now only have to code and maintain one single > driver database. Actually three is you include Microsoft and Apple. > Interestingly enough, Microsoft and to a lesser degree Apple write > drivers for some hardware on their respective systems. In any case, I > believe hardware vendors would be willing to invest the time and money > in such a venture since they would be able to shown a return on their > investment without the need to divulge patented information regarding > their devices. Even better, if such a plan were put into effect, any OS > that refused to join the alliance would lose their right to blame the > hardware manufactures since the blame would then unequivocally be > theirs. A win-win solution for all involved. > I have studied business, and if managers, CEO's, whoever, actually looked at the whole picture instead of just trying to hide their answers from the person at the next table they might actually improve their own stability and performance in the short term, and ensure their own existence in the long term- mergers or no. But I digress... I doubt that any uniform api would ever be possible. However, I do _strongly_ believe that hardware manufacturers _should_ be looking further down the line and aiming to help their customers or market (whichever way you/they choose to look at it) achieve satisfaction. There are no real secrets, let's be honest here. Patents will provide some protection, sure, but inevitably there will always be a suit due to infringement or another alternative- the cost of patents is more than the manufacture of the product. Especially given the speed of change in the tech arena, perhaps they should be focusing more on moving ahead and producing a better product then draining every last cent out of a shitty one? At the end of the day, what I propose here would not change the state of affairs much at all except provide an almost 100% coverage on the consumer base which would then produce a "survival of the fittest" market- something I doubt anyone with a mindset like M$ would like to see. What I propose to manufacturers is to produce documentation for their hardware (like header file?) and make it available publicly so that the OS communities can simply write their own driver. Eases the pressure off the manufacturer to support multiple OS api's, and places the responsibility on the OS community (whether commercial or not) to produce a workable driver. A paradigm shift is taking place, and even the FOSS community is looking for change. Corporations and even small businesses are looking to something other than M$ and other commercial options and looking more at the OSS options. The FOSS community... well, look at the discussion taking place now in this thread- and this is not just on the FBSD lists, but others as well. Food for thought. > By the way, you noticed that I did not say that the vendors should > implement a system that uses drivers developed for Microsoft or Apple > systems directly on their systems. That would almost be to easy since > it would eliminate the need for hardware vendors to code additional > drivers. I would not even vouch that it is totally possible; although I > am willing to bet that if enough money were involved, it would happen. > Obviously, the major players have nothing to gain by creating just that > sort of API. > > Now Chad, I know that you would never publicly approve of this solution > since it goes counter to the "company line". Never-the-less, it would > work and is doable. Now feel free to blame Microsoft, Apple, hardware > manufacturers, the governor of Wisconsin or whomever else you feel is > responsible for the sad state of device compatibility and driver > availability that now exists in the open-source community. > > If you have a better solution please state it as long as it is not the > same old, tired, socialistic propaganda that everyone should give us > something for nothing including divulging patented and or company > secrets. A philosophy that has proven to not work. The "they owe us" > rhetoric is worn out and really makes a fool out of those who express > such beliefs. > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 16:03:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 324331065670 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:03:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email2.allantgroup.com (email2.emsphone.com [199.67.51.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B2C8FC17 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:03:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email2.allantgroup.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2IG2wKg057230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:02:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2IG2wBU039264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:02:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p2IG2v4M039238; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:02:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:02:57 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: "O. Hartmann" Message-ID: <20110318160257.GD44561@dan.emsphone.com> References: <4D833D3C.7080804@zedat.fu-berlin.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D833D3C.7080804@zedat.fu-berlin.de> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.2-PRERELEASE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at email2.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (email2.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:02:58 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 199.67.51.78 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: User authentication on Linux with FreeBSD OpenLDAP backend fails: pam_ldap: error trying to bind as user/Failed password for X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:03:02 -0000 In the last episode (Mar 18), O. Hartmann said: > I try to use a FreeBSD OpenLDAP (FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE/amd64, most recent > OpenLDAP/openldap-sasl-server-2.4.24) as an authentication backend for an > UBUNTU 10.10 server (using openldap 2.4.23). > > Most of the installation on the Ubuntu server has been successfully done > (I'm not familiar with Linux, but it seems that things like pam and ldap > are quite similar to FreeBSD's installation). > > From the Linux/Ubuntu server, I'm able to get all users and groups via > 'getent passwd' and 'getent group', even 'id' on an OpenLDAP backed up > user is successfully. > > But when it comes to a login via sshd, login fails with this error > (loged on Linux Ubuntu in /var/log/auth.log): > > Mar 18 12:01:00 freyja sshd[26824]: Failed password for testuser from 192.168.0.128 port 40734 ssh2 > Mar 18 12:01:23 freyja sshd[26854]: pam_ldap: error trying to bind as user "uid=testuser,ou=users,dc=geoinf,dc=freyja,dc=com" (Confidentiality required) "Confidentiality required" means that the server is refusing to authenticate over a non-encrypted connection. Try switching pam_ldap to ldaps (in your pam ldap.conf, either change your "uri" lines to ldaps:// or add the line "ssl on") and see if that works. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 17:03:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DF5106564A for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:03:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbiquez@intranet.com.mx) Received: from intranet.com.mx (intranet.com.mx [200.33.246.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057798FC17 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from PC.intranet.com.mx (189.191.39.212) by intranet.com.mx with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.9) for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:04:46 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:03:01 -0600 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Jorge Biquez Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-ID: <3383312686-764990855@intranet.com.mx> Subject: Kind of OFF Topic. Advise pls. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:03:06 -0000 Hello All. These could sound off topic, I am sorry in advance. I am upgrading an old machine from 7.3 to the latest 8.x release branch. I want to use that machine for 1) catalago/shopping cart solution only, nothing complicated not many users , something simple, personal project to learn and try to sell products. Nothing big. 2) I also want to have a couple of sites running a CMS software. The same, not big one, not millions of users expected, some close to a few clients and my relation with them. 3) To have a customer relationship, tickets, help center etc. Nothing big. My company is small now... just me Based onyour experiecne, what ar the best options to chosse that will run the best on Freebsd (yea I now lot of external factors, security etc). Maybe if you tell me what are you using it is enough . I have read aboiut the difrrence and I like all. From the following: Content Management Drupal Geeklog Joomla 1.5 Joomla Mambo PHP-Nuke phpWCMS phpWebSite Siteframe TYPO3 Xoops Zikula E-Commerce CubeCart OS Commerce Zen Cart Customer Relationship Crafty Syntax Live Help Help Center Live osTicket PerlDesk PHP Support Tickets Support Logic Helpdesk Support Services Manage Thanks in advance Jorge Biquez From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 17:20:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA331065672 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:20:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.smeelen@ose.nl) Received: from mail.ose.nl (mail.ose.nl [212.178.134.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084638FC0C for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.ose.nl for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:20:16 +0100 From: "Bas Smeelen" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110318172016.1f4fe50a@mail.ose.nl> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:20:16 +0100 X-User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Ubuntu/10.10 (maverick) Firefox/3.6.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: FreeBSD is KIX (super) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:20:18 -0000 Thank you all FreeBSD people I use to keep the servers up to date and have a custom kernel=2C but some d= on=27t need this! FreeBSD 6=2E0-RELEASE =28GENERIC=29 =230=3A Thu Nov 3 09=3A36=3A13 UTC 200= 5 =24 uptime 6=3A14PM up 1812 days=2C 1=3A51=2C 1 user=2C load averages=3A 0=2E13=2C= 0=2E03=2C 0=2E01 =24 uname -a FreeBSD mail=2Exxx=2Enl 6=2E0-RELEASE FreeBSD 6=2E0-RELEASE =230=3A Thu Nov= 3 09=3A36=3A13 UTC 2005 root=40x64=2Esamsco=2Ehome=3A/usr/obj/usr/src= /sys/GENERIC i386 =24=20 It has a nice ipfw and provides some http sites=2C ssl smtp=2C mysql and im= approxy for about 100 users roaming throughout the world =3A=29 cheers =20= DISCLAIMER=3A This e-mail is for the intended recipient=28s=29 only=2E Acce= ss=2C disclosure=2C copying=2C distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited=2E If yo= u have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system= =2E From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 17:31:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E8E1065673 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:31:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1AA68FC19 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:31:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so4957396iwn.13 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:31:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=h8ZaaXLdAIwqd/4S+mjg1TnOrwnpEeqyo9Q8ROjd20c=; b=fvtA8kW0nifIuUGt/pqB61s0XdSyZimTXQabkeTv6MiSxR2XRlDvjn4Vdu/u1qeYV6 JtpVt9fuvh8TmeqCQAKm7aI+RvZ3AwsX9xvGi8Yu7nXJLQ32BsGITESt3uQN57kWft2u Ynx1oEBaoJ7rJiRHJzHkzZWgpci9CP96PRx3I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EwUJFgUDkh4p9U3r8Rg3113LyVo7SuL93Ufh0inGPqyG82rCMm3nTx5ZaQ60ZtTrOs Fh2KoFCchSJj7yiiEiojzgfnR55TekAiS0vO3KIkicJlFA97tsqSg3ysXXkvAMtjSh5x IA+m1dTKD66rGI1uN51tMh5un6+wirK09yWsw= Received: by 10.231.186.202 with SMTP id ct10mr1218205ibb.32.1300468168045; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:09:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.3.73 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:09:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3383312686-764990855@intranet.com.mx> References: <3383312686-764990855@intranet.com.mx> From: Zbigniew Szalbot Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:09:12 +0100 Message-ID: To: Jorge Biquez Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Kind of OFF Topic. Advise pls. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:31:38 -0000 > Content Management > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Joomla 1.5 Joomla 1.6 and/or Wordpress depending on your needs > E-Commerce PrestaShop Not sure about CRM as I do not use it but I am sure others will have a clue= . Warm regards, Zbigniew Szalbot From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 17:36:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA8A21065675 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:36:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from friedman@www2.emax.ca) Received: from www2.emax.ca (www2.emax.ca [69.13.38.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4BC08FC13 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www2.emax.ca (www2.emax.ca [69.13.38.98]) by www2.emax.ca (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p2IHOqS3034059 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:24:52 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from friedman@www2.emax.ca) Received: (from friedman@localhost) by www2.emax.ca (8.14.3/8.12.9/Submit) id p2IHOpTp034058 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:24:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from friedman) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:24:51 -0400 From: Friedman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110318172451.GA86228@emax.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 69.13.38.98 Subject: Hung install (7.4 stable) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bfriedman@emax.ca List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:36:23 -0000 I am trying to install 7.4 on an older machine, MSI K7N2 mobo, AMD athlon This board supports 2 SATA Drives and 4 EIDE devices, one of which is the DVDR. It will only boot from a CD and so I am trying to install from 7.4 Disc 1. The EIDE controller supports RAID on its disks. The situation so far is that after disabling the FDD in BIOS, I am only able to boot the install in "Safe-mode". The boot program recognizes the DVDR as acd0: ata0-slave UDMA33 I was able to creat file systems on the new SATA drive and proceed with the install but then an error message stating that install media cannot be mounted aborts the install. When the boot is run in normal mode it stalls after recognizing the sata drives, install drive is ad4: 750gb ata2-master SATA150 The last message is: ad6: PROMISE subdisks has no flags. I do not see any discussion of safe-mode in the handbook and would like to know exactly what this means. BTW the machine is currently running Ubuntu and has no problem with booting up from the Ubuntu install CD. Any help greatly appreciated. -- Barry Friedman Emax Computer Systems Inc., 480 Tweedsmuir Ave., Ottawa, Ont. Canada K1Z 5N9 bfriedman@emax.ca 613-725-3198 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 17:54:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A45106564A for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:54:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A188FC1B for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:53:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so4565643fxm.13 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:53:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=kU9x8ovWq2vcYnztbiIuXQVDplE8K8oQgpdCdyvtV6E=; b=keUqhwyM6+9YQUHjM2J+fZTvU3NBHJ/kq/qeDFwDYZyFedv+uWM2SaaKLTM4lJuERP yciRmw+0OjFk0MkgmtRkN0Z9QveTyb0Isu7RxPZuSNW/I3E5iik0ESmI2Sl2K98dNl1h jf9BXtMWOfLNaO6oCdz3DRmbHeiv3/lyMcUbU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Wj1783NJHQ0+h9TOkLwZ9jFmL5r/b9DkUs/W+u+OP47/ImOpv/CvVGVBO9wv6SoLfY ltN/9DzxQahVV0U02EGKKFOQk7AAU1VRFu2L5aPNnWyM9+e3sWFw/YFyNAMNhBxxLbfo /7bJWg6BOTNwEr0jELnuvWYiSw8tbb0iJr/Bo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.6.11 with SMTP id 11mr1617572fax.99.1300470838841; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.59.7 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:53:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110318172451.GA86228@emax.ca> References: <20110318172451.GA86228@emax.ca> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:53:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: bfriedman@emax.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Friedman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hung install (7.4 stable) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:54:00 -0000 On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Friedman wrote: > I am trying to install 7.4 on an older machine, > MSI K7N2 mobo, AMD athlon > > > Any help greatly appreciated. > First thing I would do is update the BIOS -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 18:14:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A0E1065676 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:14:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2313A8FC0C for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q0eBY-0000LO-NS for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:14:04 +0100 Received: from 93-139-27-67.adsl.net.t-com.hr ([93.139.27.67]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:14:04 +0100 Received: from gour by 93-139-27-67.adsl.net.t-com.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:14:04 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Gour Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:13:44 +0100 Lines: 76 Message-ID: <20110318191344.3529ff2a@atmarama.net> References: <3383312686-764990855@intranet.com.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/AuLz8cwtZxneTCW60o3o+4h"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 93-139-27-67.adsl.net.t-com.hr X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) X-Face: 3Cy8q3pLN"sFiKpp%e^3=GTSm2xV5z:O1:| :WC~ei/w@ List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:14:06 -0000 --Sig_/AuLz8cwtZxneTCW60o3o+4h Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:03:01 -0600 Jorge Biquez wrote: > 1) catalago/shopping cart solution only, nothing complicated not many=20 > users , something simple, personal project to learn and try to sell=20 > products. Nothing big. > 2) I also want to have a couple of sites running a CMS software. The=20 > same, not big one, not millions of users expected, some close to a=20 > few clients and my relation with them. > 3) To have a customer relationship, tickets, help center etc. Nothing=20 > big. My company is small now... just me I'm in the same boat. :-) At the moment I use Concrete5 (http://www.concrete5.org/) and you have ecommerce which nicely integrates with it (http://www.concrete5.org/marketplace/addons/ecommerce/) but it costs $125. Concrete is very nice to use CMS. However, I also strongly consider to switch to SilverStripe (http://www.silverstripe.org/) which is released under BSD license. ;) There is also ecommerce module available (http://www.silverstripe.org/ecommerce-module/) but it is free as well as all other extension modules. Since I have similar needs and sell only 'services', I prefer to have simple & easy to use CMS and integrated ecommerce module. Hope it helps. Sincerely, Gour --=20 =E2=80=9CIn the material world, conceptions of good and bad are all mental speculations=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D (Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu) http://atmarama.net | Hlapicina (Croatia) | GPG: CDBF17CA --Sig_/AuLz8cwtZxneTCW60o3o+4h Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNg6DZAAoJECrfh83NvxfKn8MP/jSVmgqwqOucxW/DIlS3Lj/b q7Bc28fjVGUcnrdQvjAyByCHioSqra1ylObuQoCZVp1aYoKJXdIp20o7v1zdM+7Z BCt2rGJ5//5tuxYrnvmVJZR6B+egvvmGATKMNpje2VYiK/ePS5vm7JSSEWFkc84S UeKFhSSMwaC4kfgVaJ/fJB8JZPjL9BtYZrcTW3PpR+U8n8ceRs6DO9eI1n2W+XlG evPkVX6dXGu3W0c1R3ioi8DJ7PuJW9fNtNR9uujf8RkdwcTb6qn3Jw3gF7jySmDL tGhLsTmYVZELwJPO71hh2BnO55+4G6T/0hDH3CGLmXC4502aNaTThy3PoCG9ZJ7m Ub3Ld4za+K9zzKYcmFOpWvJkvTfZQjyyCe80D81Y8k/CR/y0zLAaGlHl5c1MgZWx OtKKa/gxb+SQOWa8NLTOuKbXIN7ZicvnsbOtSx+ZIoY8LlIzrnOFEwAauB0g4Bal Zihf0/oONEOR4T2+Fo4UTtvapkQrtNzWeCUs4h95JlwjfLxGIme336gFIR4tgOR8 jNw9CHNfum7im5d5jjvKyChwJiulyiFrjYxPDp2YqbcbFYmIVTIXJSvyj4FHw36g Dk+dQ8hvov8QZSUU0uww3NanNQQMVEfxo/8gJWDWOdt1CvT0zffuvnkVrS2XAuIb n4k/dqNg0Y2rx4p2FJ0v =e6CW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/AuLz8cwtZxneTCW60o3o+4h-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 18:17:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0EC106566B for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:17:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15118FC1C for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:17:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.net (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p2IIHLMd033509; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:17:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CD635BAAE; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:17:20 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:17:20 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Jorge Biquez Message-ID: <20110318181720.GA10402@slackbox.erewhon.net> References: <3383312686-764990855@intranet.com.mx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6TrnltStXW4iwmi0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3383312686-764990855@intranet.com.mx> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Kind of OFF Topic. Advise pls. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:17:24 -0000 --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:03:01AM -0600, Jorge Biquez wrote: > Hello All. >=20 > These could sound off topic, I am sorry in advance. >=20 > I am upgrading an old machine from 7.3 to the latest 8.x release branch. Have you looked at what is available in the /usr/ports tree? > I want to use that machine for > Content Management > * Drupal=20 > * Geeklog=20 > * Joomla 1.5 > * Joomla > * Mambo > PHP-Nuke > phpWCMS > phpWebSite > * Siteframe > * TYPO3 > * Xoops > Zikula The ones above that I marked with a "*" are available in the FreeBSD ports system and should work. I've also tried Plone and Mediawiki. > E-Commerce > CubeCart > * OS Commerce > Zen Cart Only OS Commerce is in ports, but there is alse drupal5-ubercart [http://drupal.org/project/ubercart] and Opencart (PHP based) [http://www.opencart.com/]. Maybe one of those will work for you? =20 > Customer Relationship > Crafty Syntax Live Help > Help Center Live > osTicket > PerlDesk > PHP Support Tickets > Support Logic Helpdesk > Support Services Manage A quick look doesn't show any of these applications in the ports tree. But looking for "ticket" gives; locate '*ports/*ticket*/Makefile' /usr/ports/www/mod_ticket/Makefile /usr/ports/www/trac-advancedticketworkflow/Makefile /usr/ports/www/trac-mastertickets/Makefile /usr/ports/www/trac-pendingticket/Makefile /usr/ports/www/trac-privatetickets/Makefile /usr/ports/www/trac-simpleticket/Makefile /usr/ports/www/trac-ticketdelete/Makefile /usr/ports/www/trac-ticketimport/Makefile Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk2DobAACgkQEnfvsMMhpyXFkQCfSSvLEpD7U3qU1qW3mKU1RI+5 efYAoIEeJ9/9rIhc1jGArCoO3pOfO2Sj =xkT3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 18:27:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1B5106566C for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:27:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8568FC0A for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:27:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1Q0eOx-0004o6-MW>; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:27:55 +0100 Received: from telesto.geoinf.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.86.198]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1Q0eOx-0001Ep-K8>; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:27:55 +0100 Message-ID: <4D83A42B.5050701@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:27:55 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" Organization: Freie =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Universit=E4t_Berlin?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110307 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Nelson References: <4D833D3C.7080804@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20110318160257.GD44561@dan.emsphone.com> In-Reply-To: <20110318160257.GD44561@dan.emsphone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 130.133.86.198 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: User authentication on Linux with FreeBSD OpenLDAP backend fails: pam_ldap: error trying to bind as user/Failed password for X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:27:57 -0000 On 03/18/11 17:02, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Mar 18), O. Hartmann said: >> I try to use a FreeBSD OpenLDAP (FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE/amd64, most recent >> OpenLDAP/openldap-sasl-server-2.4.24) as an authentication backend for an >> UBUNTU 10.10 server (using openldap 2.4.23). >> >> Most of the installation on the Ubuntu server has been successfully done >> (I'm not familiar with Linux, but it seems that things like pam and ldap >> are quite similar to FreeBSD's installation). >> >> From the Linux/Ubuntu server, I'm able to get all users and groups via >> 'getent passwd' and 'getent group', even 'id' on an OpenLDAP backed up >> user is successfully. >> >> But when it comes to a login via sshd, login fails with this error >> (loged on Linux Ubuntu in /var/log/auth.log): >> >> Mar 18 12:01:00 freyja sshd[26824]: Failed password for testuser from 192.168.0.128 port 40734 ssh2 >> Mar 18 12:01:23 freyja sshd[26854]: pam_ldap: error trying to bind as user "uid=testuser,ou=users,dc=geoinf,dc=freyja,dc=com" (Confidentiality required) > > "Confidentiality required" means that the server is refusing to authenticate > over a non-encrypted connection. Try switching pam_ldap to ldaps (in your > pam ldap.conf, either change your "uri" lines to ldaps:// or add the line > "ssl on") and see if that works. Well, in /etc/ldap.conf there is "ssl start_tls" and this should do the thing. I use nearly exact the same configuration as I do on all the FreeBSD boxes connecting to the same OpenLDAP server. I tried issuing 'ldapsaerach -xZZ -h hostIP' and I get ldap_start_tls: Connect error (-11) additional info: (unknown error code) looking deeper into the debug stuff with 'ldapsaerach -xZZ -h hostIP' I receive at the end TLS: peer cert untrusted or revoked (0x42) TLS: can't connect: (unknown error code). ldap_err2string ldap_start_tls: Connect error (-11) additional info: (unknown error code) Obviously, my certificate (self signed, openssl verify cacert.pem gives: OK) isn't found or there is something wrong with it. The certificate is located in /usr/local/etc/cacerts/cacert.pem and in Ubuntu's /etc/ldap.conf there is this line: tls_cacertfile usr/local/etc/cacerts/cacert.pem is referring to the certificate. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 19:04:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3CC106566C for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:04:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailing@alokat.org) Received: from smtp.alokat.org (smtp.alokat.org [46.4.186.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56C78FC15 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:04:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.alokat.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.alokat.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC1911250070 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:04:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.24.23] (188-192-38-254-dynip.superkabel.de [188.192.38.254]) by smtp.alokat.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2C3F011250069 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:04:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D83ACA2.9040703@alokat.org> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:04:02 +0100 From: Alokat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110313 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: installing freebsd on a thinkpad x300 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:04:20 -0000 Hi, I have successfully installed FreeBSD on my x300 but I have some driver problems. Does someone know how to figure out which driver I need for the sound and the wlan card? And the second point is: does someone know a GUI network manager I can use for xfce4? Regards, alokat From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 19:43:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44661065672 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:43:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=0516b7057=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from ip-002.utdallas.edu (ip-002.utdallas.edu [129.110.20.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92C68FC18 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:43:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Group: None X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqESANZLg02BbgogSmdsb2JhbACJYpwaAQEaBgIkiHK6coVjBIUx X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,207,1299477600"; d="scan'208";a="52886355" Received: from zxtm01.utdallas.edu (HELO [129.110.200.11]) ([129.110.10.32]) by ip-002.utdallas.edu with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 18 Mar 2011 14:14:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:14:24 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl To: D.Schaft@rn.rabobank.nl, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7901458E71514A4DB40498F4740BB08D395AC34C5F@MAIL3005.rabobank.corp> References: <7901458E71514A4DB40498F4740BB08D395AC34C5F@MAIL3005.rabobank.corp> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: sguil-client startup problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:43:27 -0000 --On March 17, 2011 4:30:31 PM +0100 D.Schaft@rn.rabobank.nl wrote: > I have a question regarding the installation and startup of sguil-client > on a 8.2 Generic OS. It seems that my installation requires an iwidget > extension when run with tclsh8.4 and receives an error when running > wish8.4: > > Error in startup script: can't read "0": no such variable while executing > Exec /usr/local/bin/wish8.4 "$0" "$@" line 5. > > I have all the required packages , I suppose > (tclX-8.4,tcl-8.4,tcllib,tcltls,tk8.4,ictl-3), also the iwidget extension > is installed... Strangely enough also version 8.5 is present on the > system, could that be a problem. Hopefully , there is someone who has > experienced the same or better yet, has an answer to my problem... > Apparently the default tcl install is now 8.5. Looks like I'm going to have to update the ports. You *may* be able to fix your problem by editing the sguil.tk file, although I'm not sure what other impacts that might have. The script calls wish8.4 explicitly, but that probably doesn't exist on your system. Change it to 8.5 and see if that fixes the problem. -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 19:47:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8123106566B for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:47:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from krjeschke@omniti.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500638FC12 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:47:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so4470639wyf.13 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:47:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.179.81 with SMTP id g59mr2685790wem.35.1300476282376; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.35.21 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 15:24:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: Katherine Jeschke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Surge 2011 Conference CFP X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:47:28 -0000 We are excited to announce Surge 2011, the Scalability and Performance Conference, to be held in Baltimore on Sept 28-30, 2011. 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For more information about the CFP or sponsorship of the event, please contact us at surge (AT) omniti (DOT) com. -- Katherine Jeschke Marketing Director OmniTI Computer Consulting, Inc. 7070 Samuel Morse Drive, Ste.150 Columbia, MD 21046 O: 410/872-4910, 222 C: 443/643-6140 omniti.com circonus.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 20:04:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F91106564A for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:04:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4DAF8FC0A for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:04:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so4694362fxm.13 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:04:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=aeSMee+BX0s41qRljVzndyARuG+a3PksuQVf+ZHSdbg=; b=S0+PAiVL1ExO9tzNQSY61PTJrwx+eQeuXyZpio1To0VtW1uW4w2UxLGnLzgmn38TzO jbJNiIRMDEfch7qDM3Y3G78g3kd+uhfoNBMiw9xHoAVY6Xcetil8ZtWcHM2X16DIZb61 KU5cBBLUMttVzZTv30EKGfrrh46w8euNZdITA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=SHvLztdEEp9ARRS2vJpzjAJ2yyR0B1S7zn7+UD7eA5+6gXUJCFmvq9xjVpaBYMZwoc /xWYehBPK/ScS/TZhJKwE5aJUgg6Lup8N3LPcN886EaJRBkLAi6n7hbwi/bdz1AOZ1n8 SMS4IOahXQgirbdqkm3uRppU8rmckGd47WVmU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.77.16 with SMTP id e16mr1740910fak.87.1300478673829; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.87.9 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:04:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4D83ACA2.9040703@alokat.org> References: <4D83ACA2.9040703@alokat.org> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 15:04:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: Alokat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: installing freebsd on a thinkpad x300 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:04:35 -0000 Alokat, On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Alokat wrote: > Hi, > > I have successfully installed FreeBSD on my x300 but I have some driver > problems. > > Does someone know how to figure out which driver I need for the sound and > the wlan card? For the sound^{1}, try loading the $ su - passwd: # kldload snd_driver then do a # cat /dev/sndstat and that should guide you as to which driver you need. For the wlan, you can do a # ifconfig wlan0 list scan and see if you can get some information and if you encounter difficulties, you may refer to ^{2} {1} http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/sound-setup.html {2} http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-wireless.html > And the second point is: does someone know a GUI network manager I can use > for xfce4? This one is a bit more harder to answer, I am not sure if there is networkmanager in the ports? > > Regards, > alokat > Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 20:32:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63CFC106564A for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:32:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from friedman@www2.emax.ca) Received: from www2.emax.ca (www2.emax.ca [69.13.38.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5FD8FC0A for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:31:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www2.emax.ca (www2.emax.ca [69.13.38.98]) by www2.emax.ca (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p2IKVuch040394; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 15:31:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from friedman@www2.emax.ca) Received: (from friedman@localhost) by www2.emax.ca (8.14.3/8.12.9/Submit) id p2IKVqc5040390; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:31:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from friedman) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:31:47 -0400 From: Friedman To: Adam Vande More Message-ID: <20110318203147.GA38719@emax.ca> References: <20110318172451.GA86228@emax.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 69.13.38.98 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hung install (7.4 stable) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bfriedman@emax.ca List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:32:00 -0000 You wrote: > On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Friedman wrote: > > > I am trying to install 7.4 on an older machine, > > MSI K7N2 mobo, AMD athlon > > > First thing I would do is update the BIOS It appears that the BIOS for this board (MSI K7N2 Delta2 LSR) is up to date. (W6570NMS V7.8) -- Barry Friedman Emax Computer Systems Inc., 480 Tweedsmuir Ave., Ottawa, Ont. Canada K1Z 5N9 bfriedman@emax.ca 613-725-3198 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 20:51:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65600106564A for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:51:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE6508FC1C for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:50:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so4736381fxm.13 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:50:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=/FpY/J4pR7yo61AFDY+5P29HH1xNHALyl9jmyYZU+Hw=; b=Az/XhE4qRxgs9i6l23/p7P2K0VBJg9jKhsPnUoxxWCYUSz+BPX7Bcq8ZShh0RewyVo kLoAU2UXoMCHpuH535xnS4GlWSg1okYoZdr8jdrUdL3ua4K4KALk764XJRLOFV3f/qQX 8VSQYHwn3y2lqJcY8JsLXrKVhMLVC9SpNbXME= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=f5fN/uUj8gfCfZVvy9XQVf9QmqhLDWz9oxB/JWi3YIlRaT2h9I0uIEbwaHnOGVCRho cMBkqIq5PAIwyBTkI1tGq4O5gpXokadL4okAaUdoVkNFYi36KFZZTfxL7n0xOTGZIxZ8 yvK44xl0lTnI7rCrzqhWLYxep3WVsOG8InfbI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.143.5 with SMTP id s5mr1829038fau.23.1300481458946; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:50:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.59.7 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:50:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110318203147.GA38719@emax.ca> References: <20110318172451.GA86228@emax.ca> <20110318203147.GA38719@emax.ca> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 15:50:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: bfriedman@emax.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Friedman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hung install (7.4 stable) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:51:00 -0000 On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Friedman wrote: > You wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Friedman wrote: > > > > > I am trying to install 7.4 on an older machine, > > > MSI K7N2 mobo, AMD athlon > > > > > First thing I would do is update the BIOS > > It appears that the BIOS for this board (MSI K7N2 Delta2 LSR) is up to > date. > (W6570NMS V7.8) > Seems that you aren't the only one with probs on that board. http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/197306-30-installation-mystery-k7n2-delta2 Make sure your IDE settings are not in RAID mode, it should be straight standard IDE. If you do have it in raid mode, you may have to resort to something like http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=ataraid&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+8.1-RELEASE+and+Ports&format=html -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 20:55:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4738D1065673 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:55:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesbrandongooch@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D643E8FC14 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:55:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwc33 with SMTP id 33so5384023wwc.31 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:55:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=rS1kZv54FQ4L67GNpgtqZBuWs7Iui1ECc24lGwBB5+k=; b=nxmFH4amgyESu0jTu5Xdw5sms7uIZ6cYKIUlseVZWLkPU4/H0OZZ4XzSnwKIT5uRcW 05Otac+ov48Gzq4wWF5UT/Y5TwLq1m7p2kdIkKp2Q7LImfqA0l8zZ6KaCijZgs7Hzq6c r2yM2NEJgmthqRt9SzhPPIuhfe3YiiZrITJ9g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=HcA5D8N6iZ5MizG2hP4uhlkLwyLf5QWrsn+hgA/BFD5AQeT8ZqppV68tTYbKIquAJk Fv0DyUrd+YPLxRdanzeIAUq9rrR6lfglpY2XK8J4pU/9MGmpnnG6NaCU52Gh/Zg8ioG8 qu5eZ1Tcr5d7kceYKOo6euRvTweM+ma775/4E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.190.40 with SMTP id d40mr1623471wen.34.1300481752998; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.72.207 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:55:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4D83ACA2.9040703@alokat.org> References: <4D83ACA2.9040703@alokat.org> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 15:55:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: Brandon Gooch To: Alokat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: installing freebsd on a thinkpad x300 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:55:54 -0000 On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Alokat wrote: > Hi, > > I have successfully installed FreeBSD on my x300 but I have some driver > problems. > > Does someone know how to figure out which driver I need for the sound and > the wlan card? The sound card should be snd_hda(4): http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=snd_hda&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+8.2-RELEASE&format=html Here's a document detailing sound configuration: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/sound-setup.html The wireless device driver should be iwn(4): http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=iwn&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+8.2-RELEASE&format=html Please refer to the handbook for configuration instructions: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-wireless.html > And the second point is: does someone know a GUI network manager I can use > for xfce4? There are (at least) a couple from ports you can try: http://www.freshports.org/net/pcbsd-netmanager http://www.freshports.org/net/wpa_gui/ I remember at one time testing a GTK-based utility, but I can't seem to dredge up the name of it from memory ATM... > Regards, > alokat Good luck, -Brandon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 21:51:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5BE106564A for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:51:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4712C8FC13 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.1]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.14.4/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id p2ILacSr033878 ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 22:36:52 +0100 (CET) X-Ids: 168 Received: from niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.41]) by parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 787742054F; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 22:36:37 +0100 (CET) Received: by niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix, from userid 2005) id CD0E340E0; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 22:36:41 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 22:36:41 +0100 From: Michel Talon To: Chad Perrin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110318213641.GA37871@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Miltered: at jchkmail.jussieu.fr with ID 4D83D066.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 4D83D066.001/134.157.10.1/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/ Cc: Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:51:06 -0000 Chad wrote: > Everybody who thinks it's a good idea (by way of analogy) to write > command line utilities that default to not letting you specify any > options at all, and if you use one option to do something non-default > you > have to specify *all* options even when the specification is exactly the > same as the default -- raise your hands. In fact i am just now writing something which does that: either mostly automatic, or with full "expert" options if you know what you are doing. There is no real middle ground, in my opinion, and i just don't like the Unix style commands, with tons of options and unscrutable man pages. I think this Unix approach has not led to considerable adoption, generally. To come back to HAL, i have been usually happy with HAL. You just have to know that if you want to modify some simple X configuration (typically change the keyboard language) you have to do it in a HAL config file, not in xorg.conf. The only problem is that the HAL config files are in xml crap, not in usual form. In fact the main HAL problem is a documentation problem, like for many other softs. How many new features of FreeBSD are correctly documented presently? -- Michel TALON From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 22:32:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96AE81065675 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 22:32:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [66.147.249.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 635588FC1A for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 22:32:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 15580 invoked by uid 0); 18 Mar 2011 22:32:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy1.bluehost.com.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2011 22:32:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=PhlvcbTWIxHNyqm2qBpE1hgA60dAE2JZthjvlKD4US0x1zW4so+WrZobTCWtArjNuA2ZmuVGJBmNxsPpu8E09pMTQzANomscGEg/PXeHGMwUvidS4LB17VcniQG7eFcY; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q0iDB-0002HG-O9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:32:03 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:20:18 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:20:18 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110318222018.GB21492@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20110317144200.GA28942@takino.org> <20110317194852.GA15133@guilt.hydra> <20110317173557.131dddd5@scorpio> <20110317223637.GA15933@guilt.hydra> <20110317194858.61c4a03b@scorpio> <20110318002657.GA16316@guilt.hydra> <20110318090354.440f219c@scorpio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qlTNgmc+xy1dBmNv" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110318090354.440f219c@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 22:32:04 -0000 --qlTNgmc+xy1dBmNv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The other two people whose responses to you I have read so far make some good points. Nonetheless, I intend to give my take on the matter as well. On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 09:03:54AM -0400, Jerry wrote: >=20 > Chad, you are an intelligent individual. I have no doubt of that. > However, I think you have failed to think your entire "hardware > manufacturers are evil for not supporting brand X" operating systems > concept. You are not responding to anything I said when you say that. I never said any manufacturers were "evil" for "not supporting brand X". What I said was that, where FreeBSD lacks drivers for a given piece of hardware (especially stuff like recent graphics, bleeding edge wireless protocols, and so on), hardware manufacturers and vendors are part of the reason. I don't know why you insist on trying to attribute simple statements of fact like this to a bizarre moral judgment I didn't make. I think that most hardware manufacturers are at worst, for purposes of this discussion, short-sighted. In many cases, they may even be taking a longer, broader view -- but the fact they're acting rationally and ethically in no way changes the fact that their choices make it (sometimes prohibitively) difficult for open source developers to produce drivers. >=20 > Did you ever attend a real business school? If so, you might be > familiar with the term "ROI" which stands for "return of investment". It doesn't take attending "a real business school" to be familiar with ROI. > > According to what documentation I could locate, there are at least 23 > different operating systems, in one form or another, presently > available. Microsoft controls +/- 90%, with Mac at approximately 5%. > The rest divide up what is left. FreeBSD is listed at a minuscule > 0.01%. I found these at: > . > I obviously cannot vouch for their authenticity although they do seem > consistent with other published reports I have seen in the past year. Most such statistics are wildly inaccurate -- and the fact that most of them are inaccurate in very similar ways is a sign they are collecting their data in the same selection bias influenced manner, and not a sign that they're correct. That having been said, though, I'll stipulate that it is likely MS Windows holds the lion's share of the desktop market by a substantial margin. >=20 > Now, it is a given that the conglomeration of non-Microsoft/non-Apple > operating systems fail to offer a consistent/uniform API for the > detection of and installation or procurement of drivers for devices on > their respective systems. [snipped the rest of the paragraph for irrelevancy and demonstration of your biases] It is a given that Microsoft OSes fail to offer a consistent/uniform API from one release version to the next, or at times even from one service pack to the next, too. >=20 > Now, I have a proposal. I'm no expert in OS design. I am not sufficiently conversant in the subject to comment meaningfully on the advisability or technical effectiveness of such an effort. I strongly suspect that the differing needs of various design philsophies substantially prohibit a *comprehensively* standardized hardware drive development interface (DPI?), though. >=20 > Now, back to my ROI reference. If the above were to actually happen, > hardware vendors would now only have to code and maintain one single > driver database. Actually three is you include Microsoft and Apple. > Interestingly enough, Microsoft and to a lesser degree Apple write > drivers for some hardware on their respective systems. Meanwhile, OS projects like FreeBSD and allied development teams *also* write drivers for some hardware on their respective systems. In fact, I strongly suspect that the percentage of FreeBSD driver support that is produced by open source developers rather than hardware manufacturers and vendors is *much* greater than the percentage of MS Windows driver support that is produced by Microsoft employees rather than hardware manufacturers and vendors. > > In any case, I believe hardware vendors would be willing to invest the > time and money in such a venture since they would be able to shown a > return on their investment without the need to divulge patented > information regarding their devices. Even better, if such a plan were > put into effect, any OS that refused to join the alliance would lose > their right to blame the hardware manufactures since the blame would > then unequivocally be theirs. A win-win solution for all involved. Are you aware that patents are *published*? It's not the information about the patents that is the problem. Anyone can get any registered patent information. In any case, if the vendors just released anything and everything that was not a trade secret or limited in distributability by others' copyrights and patents, that alone would be a huge step toward ensuring the manufacturers and vendors never have to write a single driver for open source operating systems. In addition to (in my opinion) likely being effectively impossible for technical reasons, your proposal for how to solve the problem of missing drivers would actually place *more* burden on the hardware manufacturers and vendors than is necessary. >=20 > Now Chad, I know that you would never publicly approve of this solution > since it goes counter to the "company line". Never-the-less, it would > work and is doable. [elided ridiculum, again] What "company" are you talking about, anyway? I doubt (though perhaps I'm mistaken) that you are any more qualified to make such categorical claims about the advisability and "doability" of your proposal than I am. >=20 > If you have a better solution please state it as long as it is not the > same old, tired, socialistic propaganda that everyone should give us > something for nothing including divulging patented and or company > secrets. A philosophy that has proven to not work. The "they owe us" > rhetoric is worn out and really makes a fool out of those who express > such beliefs. See above. I never said "they owe us". Stop blowing that canard out of your fourth point of contact, please. Nobody in this thread, as far as I've noticed, has suggested *any* of the reasoning you keep attributing to me and "the company". It seems to me that it is you who are making yourself look like a fool by trying to assign motivations and rationalizations to others that are patently (pun intended) ridiculous. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --qlTNgmc+xy1dBmNv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk2D2qIACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKU+SQCeLOQEnzKWpbfHwK+sCAPt2q7B mrAAnimqpKKIdnsM1hptHnWkopfJKWhH =dv21 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qlTNgmc+xy1dBmNv-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 23:16:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB79106567E for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:15:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from click@sgate.org) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F8B8FC13 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:15:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwc9 with SMTP id 9so3467827qwc.13 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:15:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.130.155 with SMTP id t27mr1278566qcs.276.1300490152403; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Sender: click@sgate.org Received: by 10.229.102.72 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:15:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110318111529.GA20088@guilt.hydra> References: <20110317213336.GF10069@ece.pdx.edu> <20110318110248.GG10069@ece.pdx.edu> <20110318111529.GA20088@guilt.hydra> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 01:15:52 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: mNUtOltimGOlTSdZXHvAcniI1mQ Message-ID: From: Daniel Zhelev To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: [solved] How to tell whether CPU supports x64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:16:13 -0000 On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 02:18:22PM +0300, Ilya Kazakevich wrote: > > > > > > AMD Features=0x20100000 > > > AMD Features2=0x1 > > > Cores per package: 16 > > > Logical CPUs per core: 2 > > > > > > The Intel site does say the E5520 supports x64. It seems the lack of > > > LM in the original system does in fact mean it's a 32-bit only > > > processor. > > > > > > > Look again: AMD Features=0x20100000 > > NX,*LM* > > I believe the reference to "the original system" means the *other* system > whose output was included in the email -- which does not show "AMD > Features" data. The "original system" does not show a reference to LM, > but the second system (whose output you quoted) *does*. > > . . . which to me suggests that the processor is 64 bit, but the > "original system" for some reason does not recognize that fact. > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > It is 32bit Xeon P4 known as Dell PowerEdge 1750 http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/pedge/en/1750_specs.pdf http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/sys/2272693617.html The 2nd one is *Dell POWEREDGE* R610 which is 64bit system - completely different model and processor. http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/pedge/en/server-poweredge-r610-specs-en.pdf Best regards! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 23:24:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDC9106564A for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:24:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8EB9A8FC1F for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:24:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 19839 invoked by uid 0); 18 Mar 2011 23:24:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2011 23:24:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=Vkn8Z1w+dLpUo657OZDy8vo0eeOHkoCjZ8kSeozfT+RC7AthpyKChMYJAIC7GJZYrvXuVm6HdRcJ/ngNsCoDTcqvKXtjBHEzSNovuHBQtV35XoJVx58wP034NtVZ0wum; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q0j2C-0005rV-OX for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:24:45 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:13:01 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:13:01 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110318231301.GA21827@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110318213641.GA37871@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110318213641.GA37871@lpthe.jussieu.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:24:46 -0000 --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 10:36:41PM +0100, Michel Talon wrote: > Chad wrote: > > > > Everybody who thinks it's a good idea (by way of analogy) to write > > command line utilities that default to not letting you specify any > > options at all, and if you use one option to do something non-default > > you have to specify *all* options even when the specification is > > exactly the same as the default -- raise your hands. >=20 > In fact i am just now writing something which does that: either mostly > automatic, or with full "expert" options if you know what you are > doing. There is no real middle ground, in my opinion, and i just don't > like the Unix style commands, with tons of options and unscrutable man > pages. I think this Unix approach has not led to considerable adoption, > generally. To come back to HAL, i have been usually happy with HAL. You > just have to know that if you want to modify some simple X > configuration (typically change the keyboard language) you have to do > it in a HAL config file, not in xorg.conf. The only problem is that > the HAL config files are in xml crap, not in usual form. In fact the > main HAL problem is a documentation problem, like for many other softs. > How many new features of FreeBSD are correctly documented presently?=20 Wait -- what? Really? Let's say your application has the following options with defaults: foo: one bar: two baz: three qux: four Let's say someone wants qux to be five instead of four. Are you saying you're writing your application to *force* them to specify *all four* configuration settings, even when three of them are default? Are you further saying you're doing this because you think it's a good idea from a UI standpoint, and not just out of laziness? --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk2D5v0ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUnEACg+p1aTnaFhkIyg9TBr0do3lwn MxgAnRyL+Hph3vpJHQvIl3WK1YjaRjup =kI65 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 23:39:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0EB106568D for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:39:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost1.waddell.com (mailhost1.waddell.com [67.130.252.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66ABE8FC28 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:39:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emlpfilt2.waddell.com (emlpfilt2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost1.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C251950D36; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:39:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emlpfilt2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id B4A152F8003; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:39:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ADVPHTCAS0.wradvisors.com (advphtcas0.wradvisors.com [192.168.203.228]) by emlpfilt2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5DC2F8002; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:39:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.145]) by ADVPHTCAS0.wradvisors.com ([192.168.203.228]) with mapi; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:39:13 -0500 From: Gary Gatten To: "'perrin@apotheon.com'" , "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:39:12 -0500 Thread-Topic: HAL must die! Thread-Index: Acvlw/ow1hJBJ4QkQFWPYZKVCXgfkQAAbUSZ Message-ID: <32277_1300491553_4D83ED21_32277_485_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD354B85@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <20110318231301.GA21827@guilt.hydra> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:39:16 -0000 Although all very interesting and entertaining, how much will it cost me to= kill this thread and any concepts mentioned herein for at least 30 days? = At minimum, haven't we strayed quit a bit from the OP and as such this "wor= thwhile" discussion should be a new thread? Just sayin'.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Chad Perrin [mailto:perrin@apotheon.com] Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 06:13 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HAL must die! On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 10:36:41PM +0100, Michel Talon wrote: > Chad wrote: > > > > Everybody who thinks it's a good idea (by way of analogy) to write > > command line utilities that default to not letting you specify any > > options at all, and if you use one option to do something non-default > > you have to specify *all* options even when the specification is > > exactly the same as the default -- raise your hands. >=20 > In fact i am just now writing something which does that: either mostly > automatic, or with full "expert" options if you know what you are > doing. There is no real middle ground, in my opinion, and i just don't > like the Unix style commands, with tons of options and unscrutable man > pages. I think this Unix approach has not led to considerable adoption, > generally. To come back to HAL, i have been usually happy with HAL. You > just have to know that if you want to modify some simple X > configuration (typically change the keyboard language) you have to do > it in a HAL config file, not in xorg.conf. The only problem is that > the HAL config files are in xml crap, not in usual form. In fact the > main HAL problem is a documentation problem, like for many other softs. > How many new features of FreeBSD are correctly documented presently?=20 Wait -- what? Really? Let's say your application has the following options with defaults: foo: one bar: two baz: three qux: four Let's say someone wants qux to be five instead of four. Are you saying you're writing your application to *force* them to specify *all four* configuration settings, even when three of them are default? Are you further saying you're doing this because you think it's a good idea from a UI standpoint, and not just out of laziness? --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 19 07:18:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A4121065678 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 07:18:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E488FC0A for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 07:18:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-86-215.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.86.215]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE303CB6C; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 08:18:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p2J7It4j001566; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 08:18:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 08:18:55 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Michel Talon Message-Id: <20110319081855.bc497dda.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110318213641.GA37871@lpthe.jussieu.fr> References: <20110318213641.GA37871@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 07:18:58 -0000 On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 22:36:41 +0100, Michel Talon wrote: > How many new features of FreeBSD are > correctly documented presently? Features of the FreeBSD OS are typically well documented. This high quality affects all kind of documentation, be it the handbook & FAQ, as well as the manpages that are available for system binaries, kernel interfaces, library calls, configuration files and system operations. Also see the high quality of the source code which is, due to its style and content (and its comment) also a source of documentation, mainly designed for programmers instead of end users. HAL, on the other hand, is obsolete as well as not part of the FreeBSD operating system. It's a separate port. Many ports do follow the quality approach for documentation, see "man xmms", "man mplayer" or even "man opera" for examples. Many "modern" software does not provide documentation in the standard way, try "man firefox" or any KDE program. In some cases, documentation is left to the users and scattered across the Internet in web pages and Wikis. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 19 08:18:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3A461065679 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 08:18:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6708FC14 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 08:18:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.186]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DE8A5C35 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 18:26:22 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4D8466F2.7020907@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 18:18:58 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20110204 Thunderbird/3.0.11 ThunderBrowse/3.3.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110318213641.GA37871@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <20110319081855.bc497dda.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110319081855.bc497dda.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 08:18:42 -0000 On 03/19/11 17:18, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 22:36:41 +0100, Michel Talon wrote: > >> How many new features of FreeBSD are >> correctly documented presently? >> > Features of the FreeBSD OS are typically well documented. > This high quality affects all kind of documentation, be > it the handbook& FAQ, as well as the manpages that are > available for system binaries, kernel interfaces, library > calls, configuration files and system operations. Also > see the high quality of the source code which is, due > to its style and content (and its comment) also a source > of documentation, mainly designed for programmers instead > of end users. > > HAL, on the other hand, is obsolete as well as not part > of the FreeBSD operating system. It's a separate port. > Many ports do follow the quality approach for documentation, > see "man xmms", "man mplayer" or even "man opera" for > examples. Many "modern" software does not provide documentation > in the standard way, try "man firefox" or any KDE program. > In some cases, documentation is left to the users and > scattered across the Internet in web pages and Wikis. > > Thats what I love about FBSD- the documentation is better than any other system out there, in the handbook but the man pages are the most comprehensive. Its these ports where there is little to no documentation at all thats the problem. One thing I'd like to do is thank the port maintainers- even when the app itself may have no man page, some maintainers have taken the care to document a man page (or at least a doc under share/) themselves where they can. Very thoughtful! A point to make regards HAL is there is next to nix in complete and/or understandable documentation anywhere for it. Obsolete or not, that is a bad case... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 19 09:18:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B39DA106566B for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 09:18:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756378FC16 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 09:18:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-86-215.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.86.215]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72BAA3CA35; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 10:18:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p2J9IkIj002348; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 10:18:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 10:18:46 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Da Rock Message-Id: <20110319101846.f1aa502a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4D8466F2.7020907@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <20110318213641.GA37871@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <20110319081855.bc497dda.freebsd@edvax.de> <4D8466F2.7020907@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 09:18:49 -0000 On Sat, 19 Mar 2011 18:18:58 +1000, Da Rock wrote: > Thats what I love about FBSD- the documentation is better than any other > system out there, in the handbook but the man pages are the most > comprehensive. Fully agree. As a developer, I like to simply "man whatever" to find out more about it, and if the manpage doesn't answer my questions in detail, I'll find them in the source code which is very tidy and well commented. Quality is more important to the FreeBSD developers than sheer quantity, followed by planned obsolescence. This one of the MAIN points that makes FreeBSD superior to most "competitors" out there. > Its these ports where there is little to no documentation at all thats > the problem. Without the intention to sound impolite: This seems to be a tradition coming from modern Linux. As programs advance that fast, nobody has the time (or feels the need) to adopt documentation properly. > One thing I'd like to do is thank the port maintainers- > even when the app itself may have no man page, some maintainers have > taken the care to document a man page (or at least a doc under share/) > themselves where they can. Very thoughtful! Sometimes, programs offer "-h" or "--help" to give at least a clue about command line parameters to accomplish things you can't do via the program's interface. An example ois OpenOffice: "openoffice.org-3.0.0-swriter -h" provides such a short overview. > A point to make regards HAL is there is next to nix in complete and/or > understandable documentation anywhere for it. Obsolete or not, that is a > bad case... Obsolete / incomplete / incorrect / unusable documentation equals NO documentation - especially from a user's point of view. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 19 15:49:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67421065672 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 15:49:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A46FD8FC0C for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 15:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1Q0yPC-0002KD-HU>; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 16:49:30 +0100 Received: from e178032016.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.32.16] helo=thor.walstatt.dyndns.org) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1Q0yPC-00069D-B0>; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 16:49:30 +0100 Message-ID: <4D84D08A.8090700@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 16:49:30 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110319 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Nelson References: <4D833D3C.7080804@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20110318160257.GD44561@dan.emsphone.com> In-Reply-To: <20110318160257.GD44561@dan.emsphone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 85.178.32.16 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: User authentication on Linux with FreeBSD OpenLDAP backend fails: pam_ldap: error trying to bind as user/Failed password for X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 15:49:32 -0000 On 03/18/11 17:02, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Mar 18), O. Hartmann said: >> I try to use a FreeBSD OpenLDAP (FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE/amd64, most recent >> OpenLDAP/openldap-sasl-server-2.4.24) as an authentication backend for an >> UBUNTU 10.10 server (using openldap 2.4.23). >> >> Most of the installation on the Ubuntu server has been successfully done >> (I'm not familiar with Linux, but it seems that things like pam and ldap >> are quite similar to FreeBSD's installation). >> >> From the Linux/Ubuntu server, I'm able to get all users and groups via >> 'getent passwd' and 'getent group', even 'id' on an OpenLDAP backed up >> user is successfully. >> >> But when it comes to a login via sshd, login fails with this error >> (loged on Linux Ubuntu in /var/log/auth.log): >> >> Mar 18 12:01:00 freyja sshd[26824]: Failed password for testuser from 192.168.0.128 port 40734 ssh2 >> Mar 18 12:01:23 freyja sshd[26854]: pam_ldap: error trying to bind as user "uid=testuser,ou=users,dc=geoinf,dc=freyja,dc=com" (Confidentiality required) > > "Confidentiality required" means that the server is refusing to authenticate > over a non-encrypted connection. Try switching pam_ldap to ldaps (in your > pam ldap.conf, either change your "uri" lines to ldaps:// or add the line > "ssl on") and see if that works. Well, I tried several things now and I do not understand this world anymore :-( For short again: The conceptional setup I use is a working concept within all FreeBSD boxes around here autheticating users via our OpenLDAP server, also ran by FreeBSD (8.2-STABLE/amd64). On the Linux/Ubuntu 10.10 server I tried the following: ldapsearch: ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: Confidentiality required (13) additional info: TLS confidentiality required ldapsearch -xZ: ...listing of the DIT of the LDAP server looking up an user ID definitely within the DIT: positive response from the LDAP server. I also can obtain passwd/group informations via getent passwd/group. I also checked the connection to the LDAPserver with the SSL credetials by openssl s_client -connect LDAPserver:636 -showcerts and receive a lot of informations CONNECTED(00000003) depth=1 /C [...] verify error:num=19:self signed certificate in certificate chain verify return:0 --- Certificate chain 0 s:/C=DE/ST [...] -----BEGIN CERTIFICATE----- MIIDljCCAv+gAwIBA [...] -----END CERTIFICATE----- 1 s:/C [...] i:/C=DE [...] -----BEGIN CERTIFICATE----- MIIDojCC[...] -----END CERTIFICATE----- --- Server certificate subject=/C [...] issuer=/C [...] --- No client certificate CA names sent --- SSL handshake has read 2175 bytes and written 421 bytes --- New, TLSv1/SSLv3, Cipher is AES256-SHA Server public key is 2048 bit Secure Renegotiation IS supported Compression: NONE Expansion: NONE SSL-Session: Protocol : TLSv1 Cipher : AES256-SHA Session-ID: 2FCAD4AAFD18AD13013AE6A8BFF872036DAC94174F0DE626E8FF0C7F98FC7EE3 Session-ID-ctx: Master-Key: XXXXX Key-Arg : None TLS session ticket: 0000 - b5 48 c7 cc 09 99 fb a5-0e 1e 75 1b 4f aa a1 69 .H........u.O..i 0010 - 37 a5 4f c7 [...] Start Time: 1300547707 Timeout : 300 (sec) Verify return code: 19 (self signed certificate in certificate chain) --- I guess this signals everything is all right with the certificate connecting via SSL/TLS. I'm not familiar with Linux/Ubuntu's PAM setup, the setup has been done via apt-get/installation of the appropriate tools and facilities (ldap, pam_ldap, nss_ldap). I've no idea what's going wrong ... There is also some kind of weirdness around here. While login in via ssh (or better: trying to login via ssh), I received this: Mar 19 16:44:39 freyja sshd[1625]: Did not receive identification string from 125.88.109.121 Mar 19 16:44:40 freyja sshd[1623]: Failed password for ohartmann from XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX port 52686 ssh2 Mar 19 16:45:01 freyja CRON[1626]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0) Mar 19 16:45:01 freyja CRON[1626]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root IP 125.88.109.121 is located in China, 125.88.109.121 Server Details IP address: 125.88.109.121 Server Location: Guangzhou, Guangdong in China ISP: ChinaNet Guangdong Province Network From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 19 15:51:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD32106566B for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 15:51:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from s.janssen@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr18.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr18.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654F48FC0A for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 15:51:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sander.nl (524B90EF.cm-4-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl [82.75.144.239]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr18.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p2JFbXHZ084949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Mar 2011 16:37:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from s.janssen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4D84CDB9.5080507@xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 16:37:29 +0100 From: Sander Janssen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110319 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Hartmann, O." References: <4C37C2D7.3000504@xs4all.nl> <4C382326.4090109@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <4C382326.4090109@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Freebsd Firefox problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 15:51:32 -0000 I have finally managed to solve this issue. Upgrading to 8.2 didn't solve anything. But after I installed ccache I decided to recompile all my installed ports in the hope that it solved my problems. After recompiling all my ports (1000 ports, including openoffice). The problem still persisted. But after reading another thread I removed pulse audio support from libcanberra and this solved the problem. I first removed gstreamer support as well but this does not cause the problem. Regards, Sander On 07/10/10 09:37, Hartmann, O. wrote: > On 07/10/10 02:46, Sander Janssen wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I am currently having the same problems you were having with firefox >> 3.6 on FreeBSD in February (I found the threads on the Freebsd-Ports >> mailing list). The thread doesn't seem to come up with an answer and I >> am wondering if you managed to solve the problem? >> >> I am talking about firefox crashing when you use a context menu. I >> have tried a portupgrade -Rf firefox to try to recompile every depency >> but nothing has any effect. In my case thunderbird works correctly. >> >> Any information would be useful. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Sander > > Hello. > I have still this obscure problems. When "gettext" was updated and we > have had to update any dependend port, within this procedure Firefox 3.6 > worked correctly as expected. But after the update was performed, > everything remained as it was before. I did several times portmaster -f > (which is the same as -R with portupgrade) to build every necessary > port, but with no effect. I also performed the one-day-taking gettext > update and, additionaly, I recompiled every port (nearly 1000 on my > systems). No effect. > When delegating the client firefox to another X terminal, say to my > workstation at home (login with ssh -Y for X11 portforwarding), no > problems occur, so I guess the problem is riggered by X11 on the local > machine and especially with the ATI radeonhd driver (which does not work > correctly on many boxes and with low end Radeon HD 46XX or 47XX cards). > I have no idea. I use Opera for now on the machine in question. > > Regards, > Oliver > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 19 16:01:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5FB5106567C for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 16:01:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76AB18FC1E for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 16:01:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1Q0ybE-0003bK-Hj>; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:01:56 +0100 Received: from e178032016.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.32.16] helo=thor.walstatt.dyndns.org) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1Q0ybE-0006gQ-E4>; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:01:56 +0100 Message-ID: <4D84D373.7060509@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:01:55 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110319 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sander Janssen References: <4C37C2D7.3000504@xs4all.nl> <4C382326.4090109@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4D84CDB9.5080507@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <4D84CDB9.5080507@xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 85.178.32.16 Cc: ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Freebsd Firefox problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 16:01:57 -0000 On 03/19/11 16:37, Sander Janssen wrote: > I have finally managed to solve this issue. Upgrading to 8.2 didn't > solve anything. But after I installed ccache I decided to recompile all > my installed ports in the hope that it solved my problems. After > recompiling all my ports (1000 ports, including openoffice). The problem > still persisted. > > But after reading another thread I removed pulse audio support from > libcanberra and this solved the problem. I first removed gstreamer > support as well but this does not cause the problem. > > Regards, > Sander > my installation of libcanberra doesn't have pulse-audio enabled anymore since enabling pulse-audio support in several other libs and apps resulted in problems updating via portmaster (as far as I can recall). At this very moment, my firefox seems to be ok. Regards, Oliver > > On 07/10/10 09:37, Hartmann, O. wrote: >> On 07/10/10 02:46, Sander Janssen wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I am currently having the same problems you were having with firefox >>> 3.6 on FreeBSD in February (I found the threads on the Freebsd-Ports >>> mailing list). The thread doesn't seem to come up with an answer and I >>> am wondering if you managed to solve the problem? >>> >>> I am talking about firefox crashing when you use a context menu. I >>> have tried a portupgrade -Rf firefox to try to recompile every depency >>> but nothing has any effect. In my case thunderbird works correctly. >>> >>> Any information would be useful. >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> Sander >> >> Hello. >> I have still this obscure problems. When "gettext" was updated and we >> have had to update any dependend port, within this procedure Firefox 3.6 >> worked correctly as expected. But after the update was performed, >> everything remained as it was before. I did several times portmaster -f >> (which is the same as -R with portupgrade) to build every necessary >> port, but with no effect. I also performed the one-day-taking gettext >> update and, additionaly, I recompiled every port (nearly 1000 on my >> systems). No effect. >> When delegating the client firefox to another X terminal, say to my >> workstation at home (login with ssh -Y for X11 portforwarding), no >> problems occur, so I guess the problem is riggered by X11 on the local >> machine and especially with the ATI radeonhd driver (which does not work >> correctly on many boxes and with low end Radeon HD 46XX or 47XX cards). >> I have no idea. I use Opera for now on the machine in question. >> >> Regards, >> Oliver >> > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 19 16:15:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545791065695 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 16:15:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from max@mxcrypt.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197CB8FC17 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 16:15:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxc34 with SMTP id 34so4918956vxc.13 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 09:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.159.3 with SMTP id wy3mr3172840vdb.289.1300551356179; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 09:15:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.159.19 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 09:15:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <759A467E-407A-4DB8-9756-08011B5405F0@vicor.com> From: Maxim Khitrov Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:15:26 -0400 Message-ID: To: 839273@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Devin Teske , Andres Perera , FreeBSD Subject: Re: Shell script termination with exit function in backquotes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 16:15:58 -0000 On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Andres Perera wrote: > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Maxim Khitrov wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 3:16 AM, Andres Perera wrote= : >>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Devin Teske wrote: >>>> If you make the changes that I've suggested, you'll have consistent ex= ecution. The reason you're having inconsistent behavior is because Linux ha= s /bin/sh symbolically linked to /bin/bash while FreeBSD has a more traditi= onal shell (we'll call it bourne shell "plus"). >>> >>> that is misleading because command substitutions have traditionally >>> invoked subshells, and freebsd sh(1)/ash is an exception, not the norm >>> >>> in this case, ksh and bash deviates are clearly closer to standard >>> bourne behaviour >>> >> >> Thanks for that explanation. I can understand the benefits of >> optimizing away subshell execution, but that can clearly lead to >> unexpected behavior. Is there some documentation on when this >> optimization is utilized (i.e. the command executed without a >> subshell)? Would I be correct in assuming that it is only restricted >> to built-in commands that are known not to produce any output, such as >> 'exit'? > > i would check the source, autoconf docs, and http://www.in-ulm.de/~masche= ck/ > > netbsd has =C2=A0been patched to fix `exit 1`, according to the last site Here's another, but related, problem that I just ran into. The man page rea= ds: Commands may be grouped by writing either (list) or { list; } The first form executes the commands in a subshell. Note that built-i= n commands thus executed do not affect the current shell... Here's my script: ---- #!/bin/sh { A=3D1; }; echo $A echo | { B=3D2; }; echo $B { C=3D3; } > /dev/null; echo $C ---- And here's the output: ---- 1 3 ---- Where did the '2' go? Again, I have to assume that when stdin is piped to a group of commands, those commands are executed in a subshell despite curly braces. But where is this behavior documented? It seems that there are a lot of corner cases that can only be understood if you are familiar with the shell implementation. Documentation can certainly be improved in places. - Max From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 19 16:45:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C80106567C for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 16:45:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dteske@vicor.com) Received: from postoffice.vicor.com (postoffice.vicor.com [69.26.56.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C97BA8FC14 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 16:45:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [173.241.25.35] (port=50163 helo=[10.0.0.104]) by postoffice.vicor.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.74) (envelope-from ) id 1Q0zH2-0005Ro-L7; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 09:45:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Devin Teske In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 09:44:57 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <759A467E-407A-4DB8-9756-08011B5405F0@vicor.com> To: Maxim Khitrov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Scan-Signature: b33a05b2664869ea37197335591d72c9 X-Scan-Host: postoffice.vicor.com Cc: FreeBSD , Andres Perera , 839273@gmail.com Subject: Re: Shell script termination with exit function in backquotes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 16:45:01 -0000 On Mar 19, 2011, at 9:15 AM, Maxim Khitrov wrote: > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Andres Perera = wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Maxim Khitrov = wrote: >>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 3:16 AM, Andres Perera = wrote: >>>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Devin Teske = wrote: >>>>> If you make the changes that I've suggested, you'll have = consistent execution. The reason you're having inconsistent behavior is = because Linux has /bin/sh symbolically linked to /bin/bash while FreeBSD = has a more traditional shell (we'll call it bourne shell "plus"). >>>>=20 >>>> that is misleading because command substitutions have traditionally >>>> invoked subshells, and freebsd sh(1)/ash is an exception, not the = norm >>>>=20 >>>> in this case, ksh and bash deviates are clearly closer to standard >>>> bourne behaviour >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Thanks for that explanation. I can understand the benefits of >>> optimizing away subshell execution, but that can clearly lead to >>> unexpected behavior. Is there some documentation on when this >>> optimization is utilized (i.e. the command executed without a >>> subshell)? Would I be correct in assuming that it is only restricted >>> to built-in commands that are known not to produce any output, such = as >>> 'exit'? >>=20 >> i would check the source, autoconf docs, and = http://www.in-ulm.de/~mascheck/ >>=20 >> netbsd has been patched to fix `exit 1`, according to the last site >=20 > Here's another, but related, problem that I just ran into. The man = page reads: >=20 > Commands may be grouped by writing either > (list) > or > { list; } > The first form executes the commands in a subshell. Note that = built-in > commands thus executed do not affect the current shell... >=20 > Here's my script: >=20 > ---- > #!/bin/sh >=20 > { A=3D1; }; echo $A > echo | { B=3D2; }; echo $B > { C=3D3; } > /dev/null; echo $C > ---- >=20 > And here's the output: >=20 > ---- > 1 >=20 > 3 > ---- >=20 > Where did the '2' go? You're learning that there are deviations to the rule as-mentioned in = the man-page. At least two variations to the rule that { ... } is a block of commands = executed in the current shell are: 1. When the block appears as a function and 2. When the block appears on the right-hand side of a pipe (with or = without following pipe(s)). The reason for these deviations is quite simple in-fact... The shell needs to create a new set of stdin/stdout file-descriptors for = the block of commands that you've created, and executing said commands = within a sub-shell achieves that. I hope that helps explain. -- Devin > Again, I have to assume that when stdin is piped > to a group of commands, those commands are executed in a subshell > despite curly braces. But where is this behavior documented? It seems > that there are a lot of corner cases that can only be understood if > you are familiar with the shell implementation. Documentation can > certainly be improved in places. >=20 > - Max From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 19 17:13:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF271065687 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:13:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from max@mxcrypt.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F2CA8FC12 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxc34 with SMTP id 34so4943326vxc.13 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 10:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.179.230 with SMTP id dj6mr302214vdc.249.1300554797141; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 10:13:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.159.19 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 10:12:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <759A467E-407A-4DB8-9756-08011B5405F0@vicor.com> From: Maxim Khitrov Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 13:12:47 -0400 Message-ID: To: Devin Teske Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD , Andres Perera , 839273@gmail.com Subject: Re: Shell script termination with exit function in backquotes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:13:19 -0000 On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Devin Teske wrote: > > On Mar 19, 2011, at 9:15 AM, Maxim Khitrov wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Andres Perera wrote= : >>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Maxim Khitrov wrote: >>>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 3:16 AM, Andres Perera wro= te: >>>>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Devin Teske wrote= : >>>>>> If you make the changes that I've suggested, you'll have consistent = execution. The reason you're having inconsistent behavior is because Linux = has /bin/sh symbolically linked to /bin/bash while FreeBSD has a more tradi= tional shell (we'll call it bourne shell "plus"). >>>>> >>>>> that is misleading because command substitutions have traditionally >>>>> invoked subshells, and freebsd sh(1)/ash is an exception, not the nor= m >>>>> >>>>> in this case, ksh and bash deviates are clearly closer to standard >>>>> bourne behaviour >>>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for that explanation. I can understand the benefits of >>>> optimizing away subshell execution, but that can clearly lead to >>>> unexpected behavior. Is there some documentation on when this >>>> optimization is utilized (i.e. the command executed without a >>>> subshell)? Would I be correct in assuming that it is only restricted >>>> to built-in commands that are known not to produce any output, such as >>>> 'exit'? >>> >>> i would check the source, autoconf docs, and http://www.in-ulm.de/~masc= heck/ >>> >>> netbsd has =C2=A0been patched to fix `exit 1`, according to the last si= te >> >> Here's another, but related, problem that I just ran into. The man page = reads: >> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Commands may be grouped by writing either >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (list) >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 or >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 { list; } >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The first form executes the commands in a subshell. =C2=A0= Note that built-in >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 commands thus executed do not affect the current shell... >> >> Here's my script: >> >> ---- >> #!/bin/sh >> >> { A=3D1; }; =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 echo $A >> echo | { B=3D2; }; =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0echo $B >> { C=3D3; } > /dev/null; echo $C >> ---- >> >> And here's the output: >> >> ---- >> 1 >> >> 3 >> ---- >> >> Where did the '2' go? > > You're learning that there are deviations to the rule as-mentioned in the= man-page. I've learned this a long time ago :) My point is that these deviations should be noted in the man page to help eliminate such surprises. A single sentence would have sufficed in this case. > The reason for these deviations is quite simple in-fact... > > The shell needs to create a new set of stdin/stdout file-descriptors for = the block of commands that you've created, and executing said commands with= in a sub-shell achieves that. Something very similar to this should be noted in the man page. I figured out why my code wasn't working quickly after thinking about how data would be piped to stdin. Others may waste a lot of time trying to figure out why their code doesn't do what the man page states it should be doing. - Max From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 19 20:16:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C27E106566C for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:16:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E4B58FC0C for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:16:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1Q12Z7-0001wk-Rr>; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 21:16:01 +0100 Received: from e178032016.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.32.16] helo=thor.walstatt.dyndns.org) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1Q12Z7-0001Ib-OM>; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 21:16:01 +0100 Message-ID: <4D850F01.6080004@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 21:16:01 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110319 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Nelson References: <4D833D3C.7080804@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20110318160257.GD44561@dan.emsphone.com> In-Reply-To: <20110318160257.GD44561@dan.emsphone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 85.178.32.16 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: User authentication on Linux with FreeBSD OpenLDAP backend fails: pam_ldap: error trying to bind as user/Failed password for X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:16:04 -0000 On 03/18/11 17:02, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Mar 18), O. Hartmann said: >> I try to use a FreeBSD OpenLDAP (FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE/amd64, most recent >> OpenLDAP/openldap-sasl-server-2.4.24) as an authentication backend for an >> UBUNTU 10.10 server (using openldap 2.4.23). >> >> Most of the installation on the Ubuntu server has been successfully done >> (I'm not familiar with Linux, but it seems that things like pam and ldap >> are quite similar to FreeBSD's installation). >> >> From the Linux/Ubuntu server, I'm able to get all users and groups via >> 'getent passwd' and 'getent group', even 'id' on an OpenLDAP backed up >> user is successfully. >> >> But when it comes to a login via sshd, login fails with this error >> (loged on Linux Ubuntu in /var/log/auth.log): >> >> Mar 18 12:01:00 freyja sshd[26824]: Failed password for testuser from 192.168.0.128 port 40734 ssh2 >> Mar 18 12:01:23 freyja sshd[26854]: pam_ldap: error trying to bind as user "uid=testuser,ou=users,dc=geoinf,dc=freyja,dc=com" (Confidentiality required) > > "Confidentiality required" means that the server is refusing to authenticate > over a non-encrypted connection. Try switching pam_ldap to ldaps (in your > pam ldap.conf, either change your "uri" lines to ldaps:// or add the line > "ssl on") and see if that works. > I managed it! My FreeBSD OpenLDAP-server have had in it's config DIT (cn=config) the follwoing entries, which seems to confuse Linux (but not the FreeBSD clients, no matter why): olcSecurity: simple_bind=256 After reducing this security strenth value down to olcSecurity: simple_bind=128 everything works fine so far. At the moment, I have no explanation for this. Either FreeBSD clients are always binding with a higher security strength level or ignoring this. Thanks, Oliver From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 19 22:25:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE41A1065670 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 22:25:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (unknown [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ACE88FC0A for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 22:25:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p2JMPIii000687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 19 Mar 2011 15:25:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p2JMPIdx000686; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 15:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA05505; Sat, 19 Mar 11 14:03:45 PST Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 15:03:25 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: max@mxcrypt.com Message-Id: <4d85282d.VzEegETHvvo3F3Xz%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <759A467E-407A-4DB8-9756-08011B5405F0@vicor.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, dteske@vicor.com, andres.p@zoho.com, 839273@gmail.com Subject: Re: Shell script termination with exit function in backquotes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 22:25:22 -0000 Maxim Khitrov wrote: > ... these deviations should be noted in the man page to > help eliminate such surprises. A single sentence would > have sufficed in this case. As always, I'm sure patches would be welcome :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 19 22:40:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601B6106566B for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 22:40:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [81.255.84.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A688FC08 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 22:40:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VirusGate.MEIway.com (virusgate.meiway.com [81.255.84.76]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 0539647184B for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 23:40:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [81.255.84.73]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914923865B4 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 23:40:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from W500.Go2France.com [72.48.240.99] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.07) id A0D21693009E; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 23:40:18 +0100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:40:13 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <201103192340697.SM06140@W500.Go2France.com> Subject: tcp/ip failures with fbsd 8.2 386 on ESX 4.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 22:40:23 -0000 FreeBSD 8.2 32-bit ESXi 4.1 em0 driver to the ESXi Intel emulation syslog-ng 2.0.10 em0: flags=8943 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=9b ether 00:50:56:90:00:01 inet a.b.c.85 netmask 0xffffffe0 broadcast a.b.c.95 media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT ) status: active We've be running FreeBSD 7.x for a couple of years on ESXi 4.0 and 4.1 with no problems. We're having tcp/ip failures with 8.2 as syslog-ng server. trafshow shows aggregate port 514 traffic hitting peaks of about 25K char/sec. After sometimes many hours of the syslog-ng VM server running well, monit from other machines signals port 514 is down, up, down, up. this is confirmed by other machines with nmap a.b.c.d -p 514 -sU ... showing closed, open, closed, etc. syslog-ng logging for all syslog clients stops more or less simultaneously. trafshow filtered for port 514 shows udp packets arriving, but instead of showing the source and destinations by PTR domain name, it switches to showing their IPs. to test the external DNS, on the syslog-ng VM, we try dig @recursive.server -x a.b.c.d and get no response. Other machines query the recursive server successfully. Without rebooting the FreeBSD VM, we do /etc/rc.d/netif restart /etc/rc.d/routing restart which allows full operation. dmesg and messages show no errors. Suggestions? Len From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 19 22:47:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A3AD106566C for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 22:47:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [67.130.252.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEBFC8FC17 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 22:47:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (mailhost3.waddell.com [10.1.10.28]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9512D5087C; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:47:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 90D1B3C32F; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:47:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com (wadphtcas0.waddell.com [192.168.203.229]) by mailhost3.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86CA63C32D; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:47:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.145]) by WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com ([192.168.203.229]) with mapi; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:47:30 -0500 From: Gary Gatten To: "'LConrad@Go2France.com'" , "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:47:29 -0500 Thread-Topic: tcp/ip failures with fbsd 8.2 386 on ESX 4.1 Thread-Index: Acvmhr1/XhnHiILUSMOwNOGlJK7S2QAAOLGz Message-ID: <22687_1300574850_4D853282_22687_4818_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD354B91@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <201103192340697.SM06140@W500.Go2France.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: Re: tcp/ip failures with fbsd 8.2 386 on ESX 4.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 22:47:31 -0000 Maybe try disabling dns lookups within syslog-ng? ----- Original Message ----- From: Len Conrad [mailto:LConrad@Go2France.com] Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 05:40 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: tcp/ip failures with fbsd 8.2 386 on ESX 4.1 FreeBSD 8.2 32-bit ESXi 4.1 em0 driver to the ESXi Intel emulation syslog-ng 2.0.10 em0: flags=3D8943 metric 0 = mtu 1500 options=3D9b ether 00:50:56:90:00:01 inet a.b.c.85 netmask 0xffffffe0 broadcast a.b.c.95 media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT ) status: active We've be running FreeBSD 7.x for a couple of years on ESXi 4.0 and 4.1 with= no problems. We're having tcp/ip failures with 8.2 as syslog-ng server. trafshow shows = aggregate port 514 traffic hitting peaks of about 25K char/sec. After sometimes many hours of the syslog-ng VM server running well,=20 monit from other machines signals port 514 is down, up, down, up. this is confirmed by other machines with nmap a.b.c.d -p 514 -sU ... showing closed, open, closed, etc. syslog-ng logging for all syslog clients stops more or less simultaneously. trafshow filtered for port 514 shows udp packets arriving, but instead of s= howing the source and destinations by PTR domain name, it switches to showi= ng their IPs. to test the external DNS, on the syslog-ng VM, we try dig @recursive.server -x a.b.c.d and get no response. Other machines query the recursive server successfull= y. Without rebooting the FreeBSD VM, we do /etc/rc.d/netif restart /etc/rc.d/routing restart which allows full operation. dmesg and messages show no errors. Suggestions? Len _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
"This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 19 23:15:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A2CC106564A for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 23:15:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [81.255.84.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3588F8FC12 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 23:15:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VirusGate.MEIway.com (virusgate.meiway.com [81.255.84.76]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 472B6471851 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 00:15:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [81.255.84.73]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0843865B4 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 00:15:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from W500.Go2France.com [72.48.240.99] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.07) id A912171C009E; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 00:15:30 +0100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 18:15:24 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad In-Reply-To: <22687_1300574850_4D853282_22687_4818_1_D9B37353831173459FD AA836D3B43499BD354B91@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: <201103192340697.SM06140@W500.Go2France.com> <22687_1300574850_4D853282_22687_4818_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD354B91@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <201103200015588.SM06140@W500.Go2France.com> Subject: Re: tcp/ip failures with fbsd 8.2 386 on ESX 4.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 23:15:35 -0000 >Maybe try disabling dns lookups within syslog-ng? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Len Conrad [mailto:LConrad@Go2France.com] >Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 05:40 PM >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Subject: tcp/ip failures with fbsd 8.2 386 on ESX 4.1 > > >FreeBSD 8.2 32-bit >ESXi 4.1 >em0 driver to the ESXi Intel emulation >syslog-ng 2.0.10 > >em0: flags=8943 metric 0 mtu 1500 > options=9b > ether 00:50:56:90:00:01 > inet a.b.c.85 netmask 0xffffffe0 broadcast a.b.c.95 > media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT ) > status: active > >We've be running FreeBSD 7.x for a couple of years on ESXi 4.0 and 4.1 with no problems. > >We're having tcp/ip failures with 8.2 as syslog-ng server. trafshow shows aggregate port 514 traffic hitting peaks of about 25K char/sec. > >After sometimes many hours of the syslog-ng VM server running well, > >monit from other machines signals port 514 is down, up, down, up. > >this is confirmed by other machines with > >nmap a.b.c.d -p 514 -sU > >... showing closed, open, closed, etc. > >syslog-ng logging for all syslog clients stops more or less simultaneously. > >trafshow filtered for port 514 shows udp packets arriving, but instead of showing the source and destinations by PTR domain name, it switches to showing their IPs. > >to test the external DNS, on the syslog-ng VM, we try > >dig @recursive.server -x a.b.c.d > >and get no response. Other machines query the recursive server successfully. > >Without rebooting the FreeBSD VM, we do > >/etc/rc.d/netif restart >/etc/rc.d/routing restart > >which allows full operation. > >dmesg and messages show no errors. > >Suggestions? > >Len the failure just happened again. this time ssh sessions, like the one running trafshow, are cut off. ssh again gets "connection refused" on another machine running a looping, logging script of nmap a.b.c.d -p 514 -sU show port 514 open It seems like the tcp/ip or em0 driver gets screwed up. Len >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > >
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