From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 00:57:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B5F106566C for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 00:57:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267C78FC08 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 00:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so10072562iye.17 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:57:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.161.195 with SMTP id u3mr2520065icx.247.1313283453599; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.231.15.70 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:57:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110813164052.50af1126@scorpio> References: <20110813164052.50af1126@scorpio> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 20:57:33 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: dhZrjU65imjXWIa5WDB2SuVaJB8 Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Poll on server attacks X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 00:57:36 -0000 On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Jerry wrote: > On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:43:02 -0400 > Alejandro Imass articulated: > [...] > Personally, I prefer: . It is just a > matter of personal taste I guess. > Thanks for the information, they look like a great option. We are still evaluating all our options for block lists, but for sure it's one of the measures we started taking recently. We really avoided for years the idea of blocking any country as such, because it seems that is unfair to the legitimate Internauts in those countries, but sadly it has come down to that. [...] > > About as useful as attempting to build a time machine in my basement. > Works for Stewe Griffin! > Knujon is basically a one man operation that > has made huge strides in discovering criminal activity among registrars, > etcetera. You might want to investigate them further. They are always > looking for help. > That looks very cool. Definitively worth collaborating with! > Just for my own morbid curiosity, what are these "enormous costs" that > you refer to? You are not buying new hard ware I assume. If you are > using FOSS then there is little or no software cost involved. Other > than paying for someone's time, something that would be happening > anyway, what "enormous cost" comes into play? > We're a tiny 10 people operation and we manage about half a dozen servers. We have one dedicate sysadmin, and even so I have to dedicate at least 20% of my time to the security issues. This does not count DB maintenance and overall health checks of the platform. About 50% or more of my admin's time goes into fine tuning our security measures, security patches, etc. - that plus about 20% of my time which I could be doing much more productive stuff. For such a small company to me that is a huge cost! You could say that maybe probably don't have all the security expertise, and that's why we invest so much human time into this, but whichever way it's still a lot of lost money. I think that hiring this out would probably be more expensive and in my experience these security "experts" many time know less than we do - especially when it comes down to our FBSD servers! I can only image how this is affecting companies that are much larger than us. Well that is, if they really take care and analyze attacks and logs, or maybe they hire fewer but more expert security teams... probably, but it's still very costly IMHO. -- Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 01:22:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8349E1065672 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:22:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336DE8FC1C for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:22:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-15-138.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.15.138]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3D624605 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:22:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7E1M6TG018494 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:22:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:22:06 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Questions Message-Id: <20110814032206.49ad7062.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: System lockups in X with nVidia GeForce 7600 GS (G73) and Gtk+ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:22:09 -0000 I'm using FreeBSD/amd64 on an Intel Core 2 4300 (1.8GHz) on a VIA-equipped mainboard. The whole machine is a quite cheap one from a discounter (mainly food). OS is 8.2-STABLE (July 2011). I have xorg-7.5.1 installed with xorg-server-1.7.7_1,1, using xf86-video-nv-2.1.18 configured in xorg.conf. The GPU I'm using is a nVidia GeForce 7600 (G73) which is being supported by the "nv" driver (as well as by "nouveau", see later on) according to the documentation. When in X and _only_ in conjunction with programs using the Gtk2 (Gtk+) toolkit, I encounter _total_ system lockups (freezes): no disk activity, no console I/O, nothing. It even happens during drawing operations. A hard reset is required, which means power-cycling as the cheap PC doesn't have a RESET button. A fsck is required on next booting. I could trigger this problem with Sylpheed, Claws Mail and Firefox. I am only able to do email because I downgraded Sylpheed from 3.1.1_1 to 1.0.6_9 which does use the classic Gtk (which I find more accessible anyway). This old version that _works_ is about to be removed from the ports tree!!! The machine has successfully been compiling the system, X and OpenOffice, so I may assume that it's not defective RAM or broken CPU. The hard disk is new. When the system does not lock up, frame rates for 3D (tested with "glxgears" and xlock -mode fire") is _very_ bad - much worse than on my old P4 with ATI graphics. I read that the "nv" driver does not support 3D, so I tried to install the "nouveau" driver. I did install xf86-video-nouveau-0.0.10.20090728_3 from ports and replaced "nv" by "nouveau" in xorg.conf. Result: (EE) [drm] drmOpen failed. (EE) NOUVEAU(0): [drm] error opening the drm Segmentation fault: 11 at address 0x0 Fatal server error: Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault: 11). Server aborting There is no /dev/dri available. /usr/ports/x11-drivers/xf86-video-nouveau/pkg-message: # cd /usr/src/sys # fetch http://people.freebsd.org/~rnoland/drm-nouveau-062309.patch # patch -sp0 -i drm-nouveau-062309.patch # cd modules/drm # make depend all install I've done this, installed & rebooted, same result. % startx drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 Failed to change owner or group for file /dev/dri! 2: No such file or directory Failed to change owner or group for file /dev/dri/card0! 2: No such file or directory [drm] failed to load kernel module "nouveau" (EE) [drm] drmOpen failed. (EE) NOUVEAU(0): [drm] error opening the drm Segmentation fault: 11 at address 0x0 Fatal server error: Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault: 11). Server aborting The kernel loggs the following messages: link_elf_obj: symbol DRM_MEM_TTM undefined linker_load_file: Unsupported file type I tried some searching and found "We can haz Nouveau on FreeBSD!" of March 2009. According to this instruction: http://romain.blogreen.org/blog/2009/03/we-can-haz-nouveau-on-freebsd/ It complains about xorg-server must be >= 1.8, but only 1.7.7 is in latest ports (right now). This is step 4 on the list. Note that it's "./autogen.sh", not "./autogen" as in the article. The steps explained are: 1. Uninstall any nvidia driver # pkg_delete nvidia-driver-\* # vi /boot/loader.conf # Remove the line 'nvidia_load="YES"' 2. Patch your kernel (Update your system if you are not running 8.0-CURRENT or a recent 7.1-STABLE / 7.2-PRERELEASE): # cd /usr/src/sys # fetch http://people.freebsd.org/~rnoland/drm-nouveau-032109.patch # mkdir modules/drm/nouveau # patch > drm-nouveau-032109.patch # cd /usr/src && make kernel # reboot 3. Install libdrm from git: % git clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/mesa/drm % cd drm % ./autogen --enable-nouveau-experimental-api % gmake % sudo gmake install 4. Install xf86-video-nouveau from git: % git clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/nouveau/xf86-video-nouveau % cd xf86-video-nouveau % ./autogen % gmake % sudo gmake install 5. Update /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf. As I said, I have problems doing so because of nouveau_dri2.c:374: warning: implicit declaration of function 'DRI2BlockClient' nouveau_dri2.c: In function 'nouveau_dri2_init': nouveau_dri2.c:445: error: 'DRI2InfoRec' has no member named 'ScheduleSwap' nouveau_dri2.c:446: error: 'DRI2InfoRec' has no member named 'ScheduleWaitMSC' nouveau_dri2.c:447: error: 'DRI2InfoRec' has no member named 'GetMSC' gmake[2]: *** [nouveau_dri2.lo] Error 1 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/sys/drm/xf86-video-nouveau/src' gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/sys/drm/xf86-video-nouveau' gmake: *** [all] Error 2 and so on. So my questions are: Has anyone got the "nouveau" driver working, and if, how precisely has he done so? Is there an explaination of the lockups (always only in relation to Gtk+ triggering it)? Does it indicate a defective driver or a defective hardware? What do you think? I have _never_ encountered such kind of problems yet, so I'm almost out of ideas. Sadly I can't check with my (wonderfully working) ATI card because this one is AGP, but the mainboard only has PCIe. Any ideas and instructions, as well as diagnosis-guessing is very welcome. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 02:55:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B724106564A for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 02:55:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979DF8FC14 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 02:55:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7E2tL4l017309; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:55:21 +0100 Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (host-92-22-141-130.as13285.net [92.22.141.130]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7E2tLGB017302; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:55:21 +0100 Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E635433C1F; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:55:20 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:55:20 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20110814025520.GA75595@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <20110814032206.49ad7062.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DocE+STaALJfprDB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110814032206.49ad7062.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: System lockups in X with nVidia GeForce 7600 GS (G73) and Gtk+ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 02:55:25 -0000 --DocE+STaALJfprDB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 03:22:06AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > I'm using FreeBSD/amd64 on an Intel Core 2 4300 (1.8GHz) > on a VIA-equipped mainboard. The whole machine is a quite > cheap one from a discounter (mainly food). >=20 > OS is 8.2-STABLE (July 2011). I have xorg-7.5.1 installed=20 > with xorg-server-1.7.7_1,1, using xf86-video-nv-2.1.18 > configured in xorg.conf. The GPU I'm using is a nVidia > GeForce 7600 (G73) which is being supported by the "nv" > driver (as well as by "nouveau", see later on) according > to the documentation. My setup is about the same but with a GeForce 7300. I use nv without problems. >=20 > When in X and _only_ in conjunction with programs using > the Gtk2 (Gtk+) toolkit, I encounter _total_ system > lockups (freezes): no disk activity, no console I/O, > nothing. It even happens during drawing operations. > A hard reset is required, which means power-cycling > as the cheap PC doesn't have a RESET button. A fsck > is required on next booting. >=20 > I could trigger this problem with Sylpheed, Claws > Mail and Firefox. >=20 > I am only able to do email because I downgraded > Sylpheed from 3.1.1_1 to 1.0.6_9 which does use > the classic Gtk (which I find more accessible > anyway). This old version that _works_ is about > to be removed from the ports tree!!! >=20 > The machine has successfully been compiling the system, > X and OpenOffice, so I may assume that it's not > defective RAM or broken CPU. The hard disk is new. >=20 > When the system does not lock up, frame rates for > 3D (tested with "glxgears" and xlock -mode fire") > is _very_ bad - much worse than on my old P4 with > ATI graphics. >=20 > I read that the "nv" driver does not support 3D, so > I tried to install the "nouveau" driver. >=20 > I did install xf86-video-nouveau-0.0.10.20090728_3 > from ports and replaced "nv" by "nouveau" in xorg.conf. > Result: >=20 > (EE) [drm] drmOpen failed. > (EE) NOUVEAU(0): [drm] error opening the drm > Segmentation fault: 11 at address 0x0 > Fatal server error: > Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault: 11). Server aborting >=20 > There is no /dev/dri available. >=20 > /usr/ports/x11-drivers/xf86-video-nouveau/pkg-message: > # cd /usr/src/sys > # fetch http://people.freebsd.org/~rnoland/drm-nouveau-062309.patch > # patch -sp0 -i drm-nouveau-062309.patch > # cd modules/drm > # make depend all install >=20 > I've done this, installed & rebooted, same result. >=20 > % startx > drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 > Failed to change owner or group for file > /dev/dri! 2: No such file or directory > Failed to change owner or group for file > /dev/dri/card0! 2: No such file or directory > [drm] failed to load kernel module "nouveau" >=20 > (EE) [drm] drmOpen failed. > (EE) NOUVEAU(0): [drm] error opening the drm > Segmentation fault: 11 at address 0x0 > Fatal server error: > Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault: 11). Server aborting >=20 > The kernel loggs the following messages: >=20 > link_elf_obj: symbol DRM_MEM_TTM undefined > linker_load_file: Unsupported file type >=20 > I tried some searching and found "We can haz Nouveau > on FreeBSD!" of March 2009. According to this instruction: >=20 > http://romain.blogreen.org/blog/2009/03/we-can-haz-nouveau-on-freebsd/ >=20 > It complains about xorg-server must be >=3D 1.8, but > only 1.7.7 is in latest ports (right now). This is > step 4 on the list. Note that it's "./autogen.sh", > not "./autogen" as in the article. >=20 > The steps explained are: >=20 > 1. Uninstall any nvidia driver > # pkg_delete nvidia-driver-\* > # vi /boot/loader.conf # Remove the line 'nvidia_load=3D"YES"' >=20 > 2. Patch your kernel (Update your system if you are not running 8.0-CURRE= NT or a recent 7.1-STABLE / 7.2-PRERELEASE): > # cd /usr/src/sys > # fetch http://people.freebsd.org/~rnoland/drm-nouveau-032109.patch > # mkdir modules/drm/nouveau > # patch > drm-nouveau-032109.patch > # cd /usr/src && make kernel > # reboot >=20 > 3. Install libdrm from git: > % git clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/mesa/drm > % cd drm > % ./autogen --enable-nouveau-experimental-api > % gmake > % sudo gmake install >=20 > 4. Install xf86-video-nouveau from git: > % git clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/nouveau/xf86-video-nouveau > % cd xf86-video-nouveau > % ./autogen > % gmake > % sudo gmake install >=20 > 5. Update /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf. >=20 > As I said, I have problems doing so because of >=20 > nouveau_dri2.c:374: warning: implicit declaration of function 'DRI2BlockC= lient' > nouveau_dri2.c: In function 'nouveau_dri2_init': > nouveau_dri2.c:445: error: 'DRI2InfoRec' has no member named 'ScheduleSwa= p' > nouveau_dri2.c:446: error: 'DRI2InfoRec' has no member named 'ScheduleWai= tMSC' > nouveau_dri2.c:447: error: 'DRI2InfoRec' has no member named 'GetMSC' > gmake[2]: *** [nouveau_dri2.lo] Error 1 > gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/sys/drm/xf86-video-nouveau/src' > gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/sys/drm/xf86-video-nouveau' > gmake: *** [all] Error 2 >=20 > and so on. >=20 >=20 >=20 > So my questions are: >=20 > Has anyone got the "nouveau" driver working, and if, > how precisely has he done so? Yes. I got it working once by following the package instructions but on a subsequent system upgrade it stopped working and all my efforts to get it working again have been unsuccessful. >=20 > Is there an explaination of the lockups (always only > in relation to Gtk+ triggering it)? Does it indicate > a defective driver or a defective hardware? What do > you think? It doesn't seem to make sense. Have you got something missing/added to xorg.conf that's causing it? My xorg.conf: Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "X.org Configured" Option "AutoAddDevices" "off" Option "DontZap" "off" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection Section "Files" # RgbPath "/usr/local/share/X11/rgb" ModulePath "/usr/local/lib/xorg/modules" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/URW/" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF/" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/bitstream-vera/" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/webfonts/" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/local/" EndSection #Section "Module" # Load "extmod" # Load "record" # Load "dbe" # Load "glx" # Load "GLcore" # Load "xtrap" # Load "dri" # Load "freetype" ## Load "type1" #EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" Option "CoreKeyboard" Option "XkbRules" "xorg" # Option "XkbLayout" "qwerty" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "gb" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "CorePointer" Option "Protocol" "auto" Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse" # Option "Emulate3Buttons" "false" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "IVM" ModelName "PLE480/481" ### Comment all HorizSync and VertRefresh values to use DDC: HorizSync 24.0 - 83.0 VertRefresh 55.0 - 76.0 Option "DPMS" # Modeline "1280x1024" 108.00 1280 1336 1448 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066= +hsync +vsync Modeline "1920x1200" 193.25 1920 2068 2268 2592 1200 1203 1209 1245 = -hsync +vsync EndSection Section "Device" ### Available Driver options are:- ### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False", ### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz" ### [arg]: arg optional Identifier "Card0" #Driver "nouveau" #Driver "nvidia" Driver "nv" VendorName "nVidia Corporation" BoardName "NV44 [GeForce 6200 TurboCache(TM)]" BusID "PCI:1:0:0" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Card0" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultColorDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 1 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 4 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 8 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 15 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 EndSubSection EndSection BTW, I don't use HAL. >=20 > I have _never_ encountered such kind of problems yet, > so I'm almost out of ideas. Sadly I can't check with > my (wonderfully working) ATI card because this one > is AGP, but the mainboard only has PCIe. >=20 > Any ideas and instructions, as well as diagnosis-guessing > is very welcome. :-) >=20 I don't have any ideas but I wish the nouveau driver port would get some love and attention. Downloading and applying patches etc. should be automatic shouldn't it? It seems rather "brittle" too. Regards, --=20 Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html --DocE+STaALJfprDB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk5HORcACgkQHduKvUAgeK75qQCgjyNdwlBGgLSOw22vMKeaWcrg 1gUAoJSBscATm+IboOxgThAQU70XHIHD =bZ5R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DocE+STaALJfprDB-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 03:11:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C213510656B3 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:11:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597E28FC16 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:11:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxe4 with SMTP id 4so3916335fxe.13 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 20:11:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=dDqT8rwPDRyTcLT88CbcHTcTujUI1mMKyNzD/89i7Hk=; b=H8G35mhIT8JJnWPLj3XYMfDPZFwQ0AyAVwGkXtaQyJw+3Rb6j0YBEsdE+zVSpPgBe6 1Xh7LiRQc5eEGZ8+CR/fSrE7WxmQhJU1+hiWVl9b9wSssDG09zLqPvvEa74uSZVqsp/C SKv+9rv4vyv5iMyy+naZFfOUEYeEOaJUsmx54= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.55.205 with SMTP id v13mr3466442fag.88.1313291492141; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 20:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.120.72 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 20:11:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110814032206.49ad7062.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20110814032206.49ad7062.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:11:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: System lockups in X with nVidia GeForce 7600 GS (G73) and Gtk+ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:11:33 -0000 On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Polytropon wrote: > Has anyone got the "nouveau" driver working, and if, > how precisely has he done so? > I used to have it working, but I think for various reasons it's being abandoned by FreeBSD x11 team. Not sure of exact current state but it's not worth pursuing. > > Is there an explaination of the lockups (always only > in relation to Gtk+ triggering it)? Does it indicate > a defective driver or a defective hardware? What do > you think? > Too soon to say. I always use the proprietary nvidia driver, and I've never had major issue from one installed from ports: /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 03:12:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F40106566B for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:12:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F3D8FC0A for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so10368434iye.17 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 20:12:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=4kDHCu5vQ82MC0R1IL+5d+KUEoRCM2eYsjyxO14yMFM=; b=WyN06G0y7vRXKGQTxtq22VumhOct48xcHc8k9CJ4SI5Pv1O1RnHvNu8ecu9knZZjEn GmUiZUCVx1Y7wDM1UlLn93+yz2EEQA22f3MGvbwM2yo7xrAvg3UDkPI7K52PbTkUMObc RC1vV3Kt8XNkRbxDago62F/NREeFV4qtZXQ9Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.156.1 with SMTP id x1mr2701374icw.226.1313291546045; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 20:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.169.134 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 20:12:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110814032206.49ad7062.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20110814032206.49ad7062.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:12:26 -0500 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: System lockups in X with nVidia GeForce 7600 GS (G73) and Gtk+ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:12:26 -0000 > It complains about xorg-server must be >= 1.8, but > only 1.7.7 is in latest ports (right now). This is > step 4 on the list. Note that it's "./autogen.sh", > not "./autogen" as in the article. > > The steps explained are: > > 1. Uninstall any nvidia driver > # pkg_delete nvidia-driver-\* > # vi /boot/loader.conf # Remove the line 'nvidia_load="YES"' > > 2. Patch your kernel (Update your system if you are not running 8.0-CURRENT or a recent 7.1-STABLE / 7.2-PRERELEASE): > # cd /usr/src/sys > # fetch http://people.freebsd.org/~rnoland/drm-nouveau-032109.patch > # mkdir modules/drm/nouveau > # patch > drm-nouveau-032109.patch > # cd /usr/src && make kernel > # reboot > > 3. Install libdrm from git: > % git clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/mesa/drm > % cd drm > % ./autogen --enable-nouveau-experimental-api > % gmake > % sudo gmake install > > 4. Install xf86-video-nouveau from git: > % git clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/nouveau/xf86-video-nouveau > % cd xf86-video-nouveau > % ./autogen > % gmake > % sudo gmake install > > 5. Update /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf. > > As I said, I have problems doing so because of > > nouveau_dri2.c:374: warning: implicit declaration of function 'DRI2BlockClient' > nouveau_dri2.c: In function 'nouveau_dri2_init': > nouveau_dri2.c:445: error: 'DRI2InfoRec' has no member named 'ScheduleSwap' > nouveau_dri2.c:446: error: 'DRI2InfoRec' has no member named 'ScheduleWaitMSC' > nouveau_dri2.c:447: error: 'DRI2InfoRec' has no member named 'GetMSC' > gmake[2]: *** [nouveau_dri2.lo] Error 1 > gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/sys/drm/xf86-video-nouveau/src' > gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/sys/drm/xf86-video-nouveau' > gmake: *** [all] Error 2 > > and so on. > > > > So my questions are: > > Has anyone got the "nouveau" driver working, and if, > how precisely has he done so? I have nouveau working but for another card: vgapci0@pci0:1:0:0: class=0x030000 card=0x82781043 chip=0x06e410de rev=0xa1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' device = 'NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS (G98)' class = display subclass = VGA [olivares@quadcore ~]$ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep 'nouveau' (II) LoadModule: "nouveau" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nouveau_drv.so (II) Module nouveau: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [drm] failed to load kernel module "nouveau" In mplayer's mailing list, some folks recommended me to get the nvidia driver directly, but I have run into trouble compiling the nvidia driver from ports. I need the source and I did not want to get into trouble :( > > Is there an explaination of the lockups (always only > in relation to Gtk+ triggering it)? Does it indicate > a defective driver or a defective hardware? What do > you think? > > I have _never_ encountered such kind of problems yet, > so I'm almost out of ideas. Sadly I can't check with > my (wonderfully working) ATI card because this one > is AGP, but the mainboard only has PCIe. > > Any ideas and instructions, as well as diagnosis-guessing > is very welcome. :-) > It complains about xorg-server must be >= 1.8, but > only 1.7.7 is in latest ports (right now). This is > step 4 on the list. Note that it's "./autogen.sh", > not "./autogen" as in the article. This would explain it :( The xorg-server is at 1.7.7, I questioned myself why xf86-driver-nouveau is from 2009 :(, and in Fedora it is just old and these guys keep churning and churning new & updated drivers :( The folks recommended me to get nvidia driver, but I get: quadcore# pwd /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver quadcore# make install clean ===> Building for nvidia-driver-270.41.19 ===> src (all) "/usr/share/mk/bsd.kmod.mk", line 12: "can't find kernel source tree" *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver/work/NVIDIA-FreeBSD-x86_64-270.41.19. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver. Maybe this would be the route to go in your case Polytropon? The folks recommend it to me because of some additional things, lower CPU usage, better 3D stuff & other good things http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Nvidia-driver-td4078051.html Some folks say that it is the recommended thing to do, is to install nvidia drivers. Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 03:22:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF12106564A for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:22:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1598FC0A for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:22:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-15-138.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.15.138]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D60245E0; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 05:22:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7E3MB9g019129; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 05:22:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 05:22:11 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Frank Shute Message-Id: <20110814052211.02213877.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110814025520.GA75595@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <20110814032206.49ad7062.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110814025520.GA75595@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: System lockups in X with nVidia GeForce 7600 GS (G73) and Gtk+ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:22:14 -0000 On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:55:20 +0100, Frank Shute wrote: > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 03:22:06AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > Has anyone got the "nouveau" driver working, and if, > > how precisely has he done so? > > Yes. I got it working once by following the package instructions but > on a subsequent system upgrade it stopped working and all my efforts > to get it working again have been unsuccessful. The instructions in the pkg-message seem to be incomplete (in comparison to what I read in the article. > > Is there an explaination of the lockups (always only > > in relation to Gtk+ triggering it)? Does it indicate > > a defective driver or a defective hardware? What do > > you think? > > It doesn't seem to make sense. Have you got something missing/added to > xorg.conf that's causing it? My xorg.conf looks quite like yours. I am not using HAL (compiled X without that). Monitor attached is a 21" CRT. The xorg.conf has been autogenerated and then trimmed. Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Layout0" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" # Option "SingleCard" "true" EndSection Section "ServerFlags" Option "DontVTSwitch" "false" Option "DontZap" "false" Option "DontZoom" "false" # Option "Xinerama" "false" # Option "AIGLX" "true" EndSection Section "Files" ModulePath "/usr/local/lib/xorg/modules" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" FontPath "/usr/local/share/ghostscript/fonts/" # FontPath "/usr/local/share/fonts/amspsfont/type1/" # FontPath "/usr/local/share/fonts/cmpsfont/type1/" # FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/truetype/" EndSection Section "Module" Load "extmod" Load "record" Load "dbe" Load "glx" Load "dri" Load "dri2" Load "freetype" Load "type1" EndSection Section "DRI" Mode 0666 EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "de" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "auto" Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" Option "EmulateWheel" "true" Option "EmulateWheelButton" "2" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Eizo" ModelName "FlexScan F980" HorizSync 30.0 - 137.0 VertRefresh 50.0 - 160.0 Option "DPMS" "false" Option "PreferredMode" "1152x864" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Card0" # Driver "nouveau" Driver "nv" VendorName "nVidia Corporation" BoardName "G73 [GeForce 7600 GS]" BusID "PCI:2:0:0" Screen 0 EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Card0" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 Option "Accel" SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Visual "TrueColor" Modes "1400x1050" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" "320x240" EndSubSection EndSection > I don't have any ideas but I wish the nouveau driver port would get > some love and attention. I sould like that too - especially as the "nv" driver seems (at least according to the documentation) no 3D functionality which would be a real waste of money and power. Aligning it a bit more with the ports infrastructure to allow a "quite immediate" use would be nice. > Downloading and applying patches etc. should be automatic shouldn't > it? It seems rather "brittle" too. Installing git to get the other stuff (as described in the article) was a real horror to me. :-) But as I said: The symptom is _SPECIFIC_ (!!!) to the use of Gtk+ based programs. Everything else seems to be normal (except the usual degrading of program quality allover). What I found strange is stat in the gv viewer, th four keys for the page printing selection are "squished", e. g. the usual rectangular shape +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ |#----| | ----| | ----| | ----| | ----| |#----| | ----| | ----| |#----| | ----| |#----| | ----| | ----| |#----| | ----| | ----| +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ is now deformed to less than a quare. +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ |#####| |#####| |#####| |#####| |#####| |#####| |#####| |#####| +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ I don't know if this has something to do with the nVidia problem, or it's just another symptom of programs losing their expected functionality... PS. Looking at your xorg.conf, maybe the reason why I can't do Ctrl+Alt+Backspace anymore is that DontZap belongs to ServerLayout, not to ServerFlags - I'll quickly check that. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 03:39:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F21106566C for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:39:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC5B18FC12 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:39:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7E3cxvG078972; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:38:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p7E3cxXM078969; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:38:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:38:59 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20110814052211.02213877.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20110814032206.49ad7062.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110814025520.GA75595@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110814052211.02213877.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:38:59 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Frank Shute , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: System lockups in X with nVidia GeForce 7600 GS (G73) and Gtk+ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:39:03 -0000 On Sun, 14 Aug 2011, Polytropon wrote: > PS. Looking at your xorg.conf, maybe the reason why I > can't do Ctrl+Alt+Backspace anymore is that DontZap > belongs to ServerLayout, not to ServerFlags - I'll > quickly check that. xorg.conf(5) says about ServerFlags: Options specified in this section (with the exception of the "Default-ServerLayout" Option) may be overridden by Options specified in the active ServerLayout section. In general, ServerFlags is unnecessary. Just put the options in ServerLayout. DontZap defaults to off now, but the key sequence has to be set, like setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp or Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" Option "XkbOptions" "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" EndSection From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 03:49:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5400E106566C for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:49:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 160A38FC1B for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-15-138.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.15.138]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E2EB1DEBE; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 05:49:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7E3ngUa001871; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 05:49:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 05:49:42 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Message-Id: <20110814054942.5e08fb77.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20110814032206.49ad7062.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110814025520.GA75595@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110814052211.02213877.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: frank@shute.org.uk, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: System lockups in X with nVidia GeForce 7600 GS (G73) and Gtk+ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:49:44 -0000 On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:38:59 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > On Sun, 14 Aug 2011, Polytropon wrote: > > > PS. Looking at your xorg.conf, maybe the reason why I > > can't do Ctrl+Alt+Backspace anymore is that DontZap > > belongs to ServerLayout, not to ServerFlags - I'll > > quickly check that. > > xorg.conf(5) says about ServerFlags: > > Options specified in this section (with the exception of the > "Default-ServerLayout" Option) may be overridden by Options specified > in the active ServerLayout section. > > In general, ServerFlags is unnecessary. Just put the options in > ServerLayout. Done that, but Ctrl+Alt+Backspace still doesn't work. > DontZap defaults to off now, but the key sequence has to be set, like > setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp > > or > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Keyboard0" > Driver "kbd" > Option "XkbOptions" "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" > EndSection I'll try on next X startup. Meanwhile, I got the "nvidia" driver compiled, installed and running. Tests like % xlock -nolock -mode lament or % xlock -nolock -mode fire show the FPS rate I've expected (no comparison to the 3 fps I got with "nv"). In "gears" there are > 5000 FPS, that's _magnitudes_ better than with "nv". But my text font in Sylpheed as well as the one used in intclock is not a bit damaged (just chose a different one in Sylpheed so I can see what I'm currently typing). The next thing I have to try is triggering the system freeze by using any Gtk+ application. :-) I'd like to point out that the nvidia driver comes with nice documentation: /usr/local/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/README contains lots of great stuff. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 04:01:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B455A1065670 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:01:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64DC78FC18 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:01:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-15-138.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.15.138]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E7E3D310; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 06:01:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7E41F9s002017; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 06:01:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 06:01:15 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Antonio Olivares Message-Id: <20110814060115.25636903.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20110814032206.49ad7062.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: System lockups in X with nVidia GeForce 7600 GS (G73) and Gtk+ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:01:17 -0000 On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:12:26 -0500, Antonio Olivares wrote: > I have nouveau working but for another card: > > vgapci0@pci0:1:0:0: class=0x030000 card=0x82781043 chip=0x06e410de > rev=0xa1 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' > device = 'NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS (G98)' > class = display > subclass = VGA > > [olivares@quadcore ~]$ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep 'nouveau' > (II) LoadModule: "nouveau" > (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nouveau_drv.so > (II) Module nouveau: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > [drm] failed to load kernel module "nouveau" Do you still have the commands that successfully brought you there? > > It complains about xorg-server must be >= 1.8, but > > only 1.7.7 is in latest ports (right now). This is > > step 4 on the list. Note that it's "./autogen.sh", > > not "./autogen" as in the article. > > This would explain it :( The xorg-server is at 1.7.7, I questioned > myself why xf86-driver-nouveau is from 2009 :(, and in Fedora it is > just old and these guys keep churning and churning new & updated > drivers :( What I don't understand is how a port that's more than one year old can require a X server version that's not reached yet _today_... :-) > The folks recommended me to get nvidia driver, but I get: > > quadcore# pwd > /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver > quadcore# make install clean > ===> Building for nvidia-driver-270.41.19 > ===> src (all) > "/usr/share/mk/bsd.kmod.mk", line 12: "can't find kernel source tree" > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver/work/NVIDIA-FreeBSD-x86_64-270.41.19. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver. Just tried, and it compiled quick and nice. It also seems to run very good, and 3D is also at a sufficient rate (see my other reply to the list). In your case - it seems that you don't have the kernel sources installed? Populate your /usr/src tree via CVS (csup) or from the installation media in case you're using a -RELEASE system. The subtree for the kernel is /usr/src/sys. > The folks recommend it to me because of some additional things, lower > CPU usage, better 3D stuff & other good things I'm looking forward to be able to play my (today "old fashioned") Linux and wine-powered 3D games. :-) Next thing will be dual screen. I have to try that in order to form an opinion if this is just silly nonsense or helpful for my individual productivity. > Some folks say that it is the recommended thing to do, is to install > nvidia drivers. As I have (hopefully correctly) understood from the documentation of the "nv" driver, this one is only for 2D. With the present incorporation of 3D stuff into "simple" desktop applications this might be worth considering. PS. Ctrl+Alt+Backspace now works. I'm always "impressed" how much work it takes to _transform_ functionality that one takes for granted with all the old software into their "modern" continuations... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 04:15:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D3DC106566B for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:15:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E078FC14 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:15:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so10483110iye.17 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:15:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HAp+3Rx/rul0ckhALftWPhryde6WKkpOcJduXtslbug=; b=bqzwH58ymIvMousmQsPvH7hLEguxgbQ1lrHGWqHWF7h2oZS/Xflr0CRm7sBppcI55E xz9AmhpUYYl/4mq69lSQTMLNi3Op2vT56kEPWmgfnK/dt50rHDx4R2OfYcOL+AQI2Joj fb/2OBgNe/QDqy7iypY/H6sIUYCXNprakDt0s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.130.138 with SMTP id v10mr2653882ics.159.1313295352106; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.169.134 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:15:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110814060115.25636903.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20110814032206.49ad7062.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110814060115.25636903.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:15:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: System lockups in X with nVidia GeForce 7600 GS (G73) and Gtk+ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:15:53 -0000 On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:12:26 -0500, Antonio Olivares wrote: >> I have nouveau working but for another card: >> >> vgapci0@pci0:1:0:0: =A0 class=3D0x030000 card=3D0x82781043 chip=3D0x06e4= 10de >> rev=3D0xa1 hdr=3D0x00 >> =A0 =A0 vendor =A0 =A0 =3D 'NVIDIA Corporation' >> =A0 =A0 device =A0 =A0 =3D 'NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS (G98)' >> =A0 =A0 class =A0 =A0 =A0=3D display >> =A0 =A0 subclass =A0 =3D VGA >> >> [olivares@quadcore ~]$ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep 'nouveau' >> (II) LoadModule: "nouveau" >> (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nouveau_drv.so >> (II) Module nouveau: vendor=3D"X.Org Foundation" >> [drm] failed to load kernel module "nouveau" > > Do you still have the commands that successfully > brought you there? I just # cd /ports/x11-drivers/xf86-drivers-nouveau/ # make install clean # Xorg -configure tested the screen, then ran # cp /root/xorg.conf.net /etc/X11/xorg.conf # sed -i "" 's|nv|nouveau|g' /etc/X11/xorg.conf restarted machine and I have nouveau working fine. Sometimes screen flickers, but I consider that normal behavior, given that Fedora 14 & Fedora 15, porteus 64 bit also flicker and they have newer xorg packages and newer nouveau drivers too and it is no loss :( I can go back to nv, but nouveau is working fine :) I had a problem when playing a movie with mplayer, the movie did not fill the entire screen when I typed 'f' or used -fs options. I corrected this by adding to ~/.mplayer/config zoom=3D"YES" and it worked :) I was going to try and get the kernel sources to successfully install nvidia, but why go through that hassle if it is now working like I wanted it to work. Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 04:34:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 762B61065673 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:34:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37AD08FC14 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:34:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-15-138.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.15.138]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 393C83CD6F; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 06:34:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7E4YB9v002009; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 06:34:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 06:34:11 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Antonio Olivares Message-Id: <20110814063411.6ff8b776.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20110814032206.49ad7062.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110814060115.25636903.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: System lockups in X with nVidia GeForce 7600 GS (G73) and Gtk+ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:34:13 -0000 On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:15:52 -0500, Antonio Olivares wrote: > I just > # cd /ports/x11-drivers/xf86-drivers-nouveau/ > # make install clean > > # Xorg -configure > tested the screen, then ran > # cp /root/xorg.conf.net /etc/X11/xorg.conf > # sed -i "" 's|nv|nouveau|g' /etc/X11/xorg.conf > > restarted machine and I have nouveau working fine. Nothing more? I mean kernel modules & stuff? > I had a problem when playing a movie with mplayer, the movie did not > fill the entire screen when I typed 'f' or used -fs options. I > corrected this by adding to > ~/.mplayer/config > > zoom="YES" > > and it worked :) An important feature, thanks for the clue! > I was going to try and get the kernel sources to > successfully install nvidia, but why go through that hassle if it is > now working like I wanted it to work. Mayvbe you can check the 3D abilities with the commands I mentioned. Meanwhile, I was a brave man and launched Firefox. Three seconds later the system froze. Furthermore, I've lost my ~/.sylpheed/accountrc and folderlist.xml which I had to restore manually. Lost: Indications which messages I already had replied to. So again, Gtk+ triggers the system freeze, independent of the driver used. Now can I say that the GPU must be faulty? And just in case I have to replace it (PCIe required), what brand of GPU should I buy instead? Again nVidia, or better ATI, or Intel? It's a hard decision because I don't want to get from one trouble into the next one... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 04:52:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A711065670 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:52:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurpreet007@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ABC78FC15 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:52:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkat8 with SMTP id t8so3149654bka.13 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:52:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=v88GjgOkBmQTs+yD8GAlIDDogn3vPElLU4YI8PM8wG8=; b=N3gswrJeuA9xJSF4LDe88a4tHACs+A6cc0RYQOYndF3rzRPZAb+b8EvIDNPijWUWxU JW80RfDL9oxD6vrN9RhG7RTnndBGMWdiERR3zWDYpgGzl0BaCZ3dRSreJjgSVj22AuE+ JnNAV2P0fmL1ZPTil73P/80kSLPf/ud6Ano5c= Received: by 10.204.41.72 with SMTP id n8mr977149bke.345.1313297533374; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:52:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.100.198 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:51:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110814032206.49ad7062.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20110814032206.49ad7062.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Gurpreet Singh Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:21:52 +0530 Message-ID: To: Polytropon , FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: System lockups in X with nVidia GeForce 7600 GS (G73) and Gtk+ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:52:15 -0000 On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 6:52 AM, Polytropon wrote: > > Has anyone got the "nouveau" driver working, and if, > how precisely has he done so? > I am using nouveau driver on FreeBSD 8.2 Release with resolution 1280x1024. I have Nvidia GeForce 7025 card embedded in my Asus Mobo. CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) II X2 545 Processor (3013.73-MHz K8-class CPU) I am able to run nouveau driver by simply following the instructions given in package xf86-video-nouveau's pkg-message file: These are those instructions: ---------------Start------------------ Installing it should be as simple as below procedure provided you have base sources in /usr/src. # cd /usr/src/sys # fetch http://people.freebsd.org/~rnoland/drm-nouveau-062309.patch # patch -sp0 -i drm-nouveau-062309.patch # cd modules/drm # make depend all install ---------------End------------------ Here is my Xorg's version: ---------------Start----------------- X.Org X Server 1.7.7 Release Date: 2010-05-04 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE amd64 Current Operating System: FreeBSD amnesiac 8.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE #0: Thu Feb 17 02:41:51 UTC 2011 root@mason.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 Build Date: 11 August 2011 11:06:01PM ---------------End------------------ And I didn't changed anything in my xorg.conf generate by Xorg -configure except changing Driver nv to nouveau in Device section. Here it is: --------------Start------------------ Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "X.org Configured" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection Section "Files" ModulePath "/usr/local/lib/xorg/modules" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" EndSection Section "Module" Load "extmod" Load "record" Load "dbe" Load "glx" Load "dri" Load "dri2" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "auto" Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Monitor Vendor" ModelName "Monitor Model" EndSection Section "Device" ### Available Driver options are:- ### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False", ### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz" ### [arg]: arg optional #Option "SWcursor" # [] #Option "HWcursor" # [] #Option "NoAccel" # [] #Option "ShadowFB" # [] #Option "UseFBDev" # [] #Option "Rotate" # [] #Option "VideoKey" # #Option "FlatPanel" # [] #Option "FPDither" # [] #Option "CrtcNumber" # #Option "FPScale" # [] #Option "FPTweak" # #Option "DualHead" # [] Identifier "Card0" Driver "nouveau" VendorName "nVidia Corporation" BoardName "C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a]" BusID "PCI:0:13:0" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Card0" Monitor "Monitor0" SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 1 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 4 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 8 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 15 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 EndSubSection EndSection -----------End---------------- > Is there an explaination of the lockups (always only > in relation to Gtk+ triggering it)? Does it indicate > a defective driver or a defective hardware? What do > you think? > I once experienced such mysterious lockup since I started using FreeBSD 1 month ago. It left no traces which I could find. If I can recall correctly I was using Firefox that time and 2/3 Eterms were open. WM was Fluxbox. Regards, Gurpreet -- ------------------------------------------------------------ A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 05:16:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B96106566B for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 05:16:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurpreet007@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B0DE8FC12 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 05:16:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkat8 with SMTP id t8so3154940bka.13 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:16:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=k6pa9ISOlln0BK2bzDjxMzTqzN9Uz4sPXOivRpR1Zyo=; b=iOcMshkgdMylA6/NnHwssz6D9yDPl0iKjtcZVKXj5UqfsTvcF2LWXslUEKN+FUMJ8t vGZVHq3Q5mwTkmzG76Gl88IotagJlTHPvPzf8m93W02xmReb0kTH/wwpUrVpG2+g1xyJ fSC8AUQgtEUSXGazreCaf6korH5ayAZJTngtc= Received: by 10.205.64.205 with SMTP id xj13mr400830bkb.137.1313299011570; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:16:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.100.198 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:16:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20110814032206.49ad7062.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Gurpreet Singh Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:46:31 +0530 Message-ID: To: Polytropon , FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: System lockups in X with nVidia GeForce 7600 GS (G73) and Gtk+ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 05:16:53 -0000 On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Gurpreet Singh wrote: > > > ---------------Start------------------ > Installing it should be as simple as below procedure provided you have > base sources in /usr/src. > > > # cd /usr/src/sys > # fetch http://people.freebsd.org/~rnoland/drm-nouveau-062309.patch > # patch -sp0 -i drm-nouveau-062309.patch > # cd modules/drm > # make depend all install > ---------------End------------------ > I should mention that before following these steps I installed xf86-video-nouveau package using "make install". It was then that I was showing the above message. Regards, Gurpreet -- ------------------------------------------------------------ A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 05:24:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5461E106566C for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 05:24:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC618FC17 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 05:24:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxe4 with SMTP id 4so3944807fxe.13 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:24:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=tkTb/Z058Y2eYFU19mrGpIjf5AcL/4x2UarqdkibvDk=; b=XrriEp1KHUMiHsmaOGdtWkCKj9yYCn73KeKPWP41EbNQe+Mz2HZFeOM1PEmF90rrX7 fxG8t/ST1ng0Ae+boWu7v0iclVW7kf5E053sorMcrIhx8ORwU6/R87OT/0aPlxplueBD Yq7IYMRSQQShRpa2Nv5qg2L4iktDYr5m13BuM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.52.132 with SMTP id i4mr3589427fag.107.1313299483790; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.120.72 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:24:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110814060115.25636903.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20110814032206.49ad7062.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110814060115.25636903.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 00:24:43 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Antonio Olivares Subject: Re: System lockups in X with nVidia GeForce 7600 GS (G73) and Gtk+ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 05:24:45 -0000 On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > What I don't understand is how a port that's more than > one year old can require a X server version that's not > reached yet _today_... :-) > Not exactly related to your point here, but you should also be aware of the WITHOUT_NOUVEAU macro. When set, nouveau will not work, but it does allow for much newer versions of some graphics subsystems which should give you better performance and possibly stability. As I said earlier, nouveau is to be avoided on FreeBSD. Newer versions of nouveau require KMS AKAIK, so it might be better to revisit that port when support is added to the kernel. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 07:35:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F2F1065675 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:35:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from s.dave.jones@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14BCD8FC14 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:35:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so4427018vws.13 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 00:35:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=O56UBcxNp0snP4abXhQEEiH1ERdZtnhtQcKG4Rl0xmc=; b=lGz1PM4pgGM11KWEojjpKPob+NM0kSKbVXlC3wGeRqlzpa1Xrc9YQ/rnV4GqHF9jdc 4YvnoMg5V0LAuVnnrQe8uCNHtCEwKFfH80wpSClHvJAcnJYPkgZXtTAv//3afiyygZij o/JlrF60mXEACYdPjwLnqrJP7W1vLyO5/atpE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.88.200 with SMTP id bi8mr2453531vdb.212.1313307321208; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 00:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.109.72 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 00:35:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110812203204.931270c4.cjr@cruwe.de> References: <20110727223034.0c0f0c8d@dijkstra> <20110812203204.931270c4.cjr@cruwe.de> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:35:21 +0800 Message-ID: From: dave jones To: "Christopher J. Ruwe" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: How to get ip address automatically from different dhcp server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:35:22 -0000 On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 2:32 AM, Christopher J. Ruwe wrote: > On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:46:34 +0800 > dave jones wrote: > > I rearrange your mail and post bottom to enable others to have a look. > >>On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 4:30 AM, Christopher J. Ruwe =A0wrote: >>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:49:42 +0800 >>> dave jones wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I cat get an IP address from dhcp server by adding the line >>>> in /etc/rc.conf: >>>> >>>> ifconfig_em0=3D"DHCP" >>>> >>>> If I move my laptop to another place, I have to manually run >>>> "dhclient em0" to get an IP. Otherwise, it won't get an IP >>>> automatically. >>>> >>>> My question is it's possible to get ip address automatically from >>>> different dhcp server? thanks. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Dave. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> Have a look at /etc/devd.conf. Mine include a portion >>> >>> # >>> # Try to start dhclient on Ethernet like interfaces when the link comes >>> # up. =A0Only devices that are configured to support DHCP will actually >>> # run it. =A0No link down rule exists because dhclient automaticly exit= s >>> # when the link goes down. >>> # >>> notify 0 { >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0match "system" =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0"IFNET"; >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0match "type" =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0"LINK_UP"; >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0media-type =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0"ethernet"; >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0action "/etc/rc.d/dhclient quietstart $subsystem"; >>> }; >>> # >>> notify 0 { >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0match "system" =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0"IFNET"; >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0match "type" =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0"LINK_DOWN"; >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0media-type =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0"ethernet"; >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0action "/etc/rc.d/dhclient quietstop $subsystem ; ifconf= ig $subsystem inet 0.0.0.0"; >>> }; >>> >>> I am under the impression that this rule does what you want to do. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> -- >>> Christopher J. Ruwe >>> TZ GMT + 2 >>> > >> Hi Christopher, >> >> Thanks for your solution. It does help a lot, but there's one problem. >> For example, DHCP server is not started for some reason and my computer'= s >> ethernet cable is plugged. Once dhcp server started, I can't get the IP = unless >> I unplug and then plug the ethernet cable. Do you know how to solve >> this issue? Thank you. >> >> Regards, >> Dave. >> > > Ok. To check whether I understand what you are saying: Your computer is r= unning, but an external DHCP-server is not. Your computer tries to get an I= P from the external DHCP server, which is down, so dhclient is unsuccessful= . You then kick the DHCP-server back to live and then you have to plug in a= nd out to get an IP? Right. I'm sorry for the confusion. > Assuming I understand correctly, that is exactly what should happen. You = see, normally DHCP-servers don't flood the network with "Hello all dhclient= s, I am dhcp-server, please tell me if you need an IP", usually the opposit= e direction is in order as in "hello dhcp-server, I am dhclient, I need an = IP, please give me one". > You now have two options: 1) You coerce a manual request be running dhcli= ent. 2) You plug in and out, which runs dhclient as you have configured to = do so in your devd.conf. > Of course you can set the retry-time for dhclient (see `man dhclient`) to= an absurldly low threshold, so you are saved doing the dhcp-discover-proce= dure manually. It is, however, dubious, whether you want to do so. It might= be a smarter way to fix that DHCP-server of yours. Thank you for the clear explanation. I will add "retry 10" in dhclient.conf and give it a try. I'm wondering if net/ifstated will work in this case. I'll give it a shot as well. Thanks again! > Hope to have been of some help here, > cheers > -- > Christopher J. Ruwe > TZ GMT + 2 > Regards, Dave. 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It is just a > matter of personal taste I guess. > Thanks for the information, they look like a great option. We are still evaluating all our options for block lists, but for sure it's one of the measures we started taking recently. We really avoided for years the idea of blocking any country as such, because it seems that is unfair to the legitimate Internauts in those countries, but sadly it has come down to that. [...] > > About as useful as attempting to build a time machine in my basement. > Works for Stewe Griffin! > Knujon is basically a one man operation that > has made huge strides in discovering criminal activity among registrars, > etcetera. You might want to investigate them further. They are always > looking for help. > That looks very cool. Definitively worth collaborating with! > Just for my own morbid curiosity, what are these "enormous costs" that > you refer to? You are not buying new hard ware I assume. If you are > using FOSS then there is little or no software cost involved. Other > than paying for someone's time, something that would be happening > anyway, what "enormous cost" comes into play? > We're a tiny 10 people operation and we manage about half a dozen servers. We have one dedicate sysadmin, and even so I have to dedicate at least 20% of my time to the security issues. This does not count DB maintenance and overall health checks of the platform. About 50% or more of my admin's time goes into fine tuning our security measures, security patches, etc. - that plus about 20% of my time which I could be doing much more productive stuff. For such a small company to me that is a huge cost! You could say that maybe probably don't have all the security expertise, and that's why we invest so much human time into this, but whichever way it's still a lot of lost money. I think that hiring this out would probably be more expensive and in my experience these security "experts" many time know less than we do - especially when it comes down to our FBSD servers! I can only image how this is affecting companies that are much larger than us. Well that is, if they really take care and analyze attacks and logs, or maybe they hire fewer but more expert security teams... probably, but it's still very costly IMHO. -- Alejandro Imass _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " =A0 I, like Jerry would also question your definition of enormous costs. I see = attacks at my servers every day. But those are merely attempts to hack in a= nd if you don't have actual breaches into your server then you're ok.=A0You= will never stop the peverbial stone thorwers out the in the Internet. You = might as well try to turn iron into gold. =A0 As for reporting to the abuse@isp.coms, forget it. Some will be helpful. Mo= st will not. Doesn't mean they ignore you they may even shutdown the offend= ers. But remember just because you report a break-in attempt the other part= y may claim to be innocent and thus the ISP is in a he-said+she-said situat= ion in which they could loose revenue and/or be sued. As for me I do examin= e my log files periodically for breakins, but in the many years I've been r= unning FreeBSD I have only experienced one major breach and that was due to= my failure to plug an obvious hole in my Asterisk dial plan. Since then I = still see the hackers making attempts all the time to break in but so far I= PFW and my new and improved dial plan have kept the trouble makers at bay. = And I don't spend that much time worrying about it or expending costs or re= sources to stop them. Still, being diligent is a good thing so I keep watch= ing for signs. =A0 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 11:00:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF975106566B for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:00:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C478FC13 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so11150982iye.17 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:00:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.54.104 with SMTP id p40mr5729121ibg.39.1313319623848; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.15.70 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:00:23 -0400 Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: linux-perl ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:00:24 -0000 Hi, I've been searching list archives regarding an old thread that talks about perl dbd oracle on fbsd: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-database/2006-October/000465.html My problem is not exactly the same but I need to proxy a specific proprietary perl library that uses xs and was built for linux. I agree with the conclusion of the thread, and I doubt there is a way that fbsd perl would be able to work with this lib directly. So, I was thinking of installing this "linux-perl" on compat and just proxy the lib methods via a daemon (even simple http web service) so I can use the lib through fbsd perl by mean of lwp, for example. This "linux-perl" is mentioned in the thread several times but I don't seem to find information about this anywhere else in the archive, and perl doesn't seem to be in the f10 compats either. I've STFW and I can't seem to find any other obvious reference to this linux-perl stuff. So what is this linux-perl they are talking about in this thread? Does anybody know how I can build/install a perl 5.10 or above that can run in the f10 compat layer? TIA! -- Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 09:48:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99741106564A; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 09:48:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niclas.zeising@gmail.com) Received: from mail.lysator.liu.se (mail.lysator.liu.se [IPv6:2001:6b0:17:f0a0::3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F9F8FC1A; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 09:48:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.lysator.liu.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3B34001B; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:48:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2D9A40009; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:48:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on bernadotte.lysator.liu.se X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=disabled version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 Received: from mx.daemonic.se (mx.daemonic.se [IPv6:2001:470:dca9:0:1::3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 70D3B40005; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:48:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.daemonic.se (mail.daemonic.se [IPv6:2001:470:dca9:0:1::4]) by mx.daemonic.se (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EEAF3119C04; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:48:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:dca9:1::4] (vivi.daemonic.se [IPv6:2001:470:dca9:1::4]) by mail.daemonic.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3E6C412B0A0; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:48:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E4799D4.8000703@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:48:04 +0200 From: Niclas Zeising User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roland Smith References: <4E454ADD.1020201@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20110812171611.GA88850@slackbox.erewhon.net> <20110812182108.GA90173@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4E457477.4060400@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20110812205408.GA9873@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4E45ACA8.5070406@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20110813072642.GA24239@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4E462D0D.8070901@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20110813100810.GA27193@slackbox.erewhon.net> In-Reply-To: <20110813100810.GA27193@slackbox.erewhon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:08:36 +0000 Cc: Olivier Smedts , FreeBSD Current , "Hartmann, O." , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: files/dd7c394c9c9ddf4b97f1b14c676f370adc259b2c7a4b8346eba0788a431db398.gz not found -- snapshot corrupt. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 09:48:14 -0000 On 2011-08-13 12:08, Roland Smith wrote: > On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 09:51:41AM +0200, Hartmann, O. wrote: >> On 08/13/11 09:26, Roland Smith wrote: >>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:43:52AM +0200, Hartmann, O. wrote: >>>> On 08/12/11 22:54, Roland Smith wrote: >>>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 08:44:07PM +0200, Hartmann, O. wrote: >>>>>>>> files/dd7c394c9c9ddf4b97f1b14c676f370adc259b2c7a4b8346eba0788a431db398.gz >>> Does this file actually exist if you extract the snapshot? And are the >>> permissions et cetera OK? >>> >>> Roland >> >> No, it does not. >> >> What I did so far over night: >> >> I deleted /var/db/portsnap as well as /usr/ports/. Then I tried again. >> Again failure. >> After that it got the ports tree via CVS (make update in /usr/ports). >> Everything seems >> all right. I tried portsnap again. portsnap compalins about a >> non-portsnap-created /usr/ports >> and please me to use 'extract'. I do ... but then I run into the very >> same failure: >> >> (portsnap fetch extract:) >> /usr/ports/devel/cccc/ >> /usr/ports/devel/ccdoc/ >> /usr/ports/devel/ccrtp/ >> /usr/ports/devel/cdash/ >> files/dd7c394c9c9ddf4b97f1b14c676f370adc259b2c7a4b8346eba0788a431db398.gz not >> found -- snapshot corrupt. > > I've been looking at the portsnap shellscript. This error message is generated > by the shell's built-in test command, specifically '[ -r'. It is looking for a > file that was extracted with tar. So the place to look for the bug is IMO > > 1) the portsnap script itself (differences between 8.2 and 9?) > 2) the sh(1)'s built-in test command (ditto) > 3) tar (ditto) > > When you run 'portsnap fetch' it downloads a tgz archive and unpacks it with > tar(1). What you could try is to comment out the line 'rm ${SNAPSHOTHASH}.tgz' > in portsnap, and test if the tgz file extracts differently using an > 8.2-RELEASE tar and the 9-CURRENT tar. If so, that would be a bug! > > Roland Just a "me too!". It happens for me on a recently updated 9-current virtual machine, built with clang. Regards! -- Niclas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 10:17:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3AF91065672; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:17:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A68278FC1C; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1QsXlL-0001xl-SV>; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:17:47 +0200 Received: from e178037016.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.37.16] helo=thor.walstatt.dyndns.org) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1QsXlL-0002Kd-Oz>; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:17:47 +0200 Message-ID: <4E47A0CB.6090002@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:17:47 +0200 From: "Hartmann, O." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110712 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Niclas Zeising References: <4E454ADD.1020201@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20110812171611.GA88850@slackbox.erewhon.net> <20110812182108.GA90173@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4E457477.4060400@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20110812205408.GA9873@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4E45ACA8.5070406@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20110813072642.GA24239@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4E462D0D.8070901@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20110813100810.GA27193@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4E4799D4.8000703@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E4799D4.8000703@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 85.178.37.16 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:14:00 +0000 Cc: Olivier Smedts , Roland Smith , FreeBSD Current , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: files/dd7c394c9c9ddf4b97f1b14c676f370adc259b2c7a4b8346eba0788a431db398.gz not found -- snapshot corrupt. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:17:50 -0000 On 08/14/11 11:48, Niclas Zeising wrote: > On 2011-08-13 12:08, Roland Smith wrote: >> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 09:51:41AM +0200, Hartmann, O. wrote: >>> On 08/13/11 09:26, Roland Smith wrote: >>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:43:52AM +0200, Hartmann, O. wrote: >>>>> On 08/12/11 22:54, Roland Smith wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 08:44:07PM +0200, Hartmann, O. wrote: >>>>>>>>> files/dd7c394c9c9ddf4b97f1b14c676f370adc259b2c7a4b8346eba0788a431db398.gz >>>> Does this file actually exist if you extract the snapshot? And are the >>>> permissions et cetera OK? >>>> >>>> Roland >>> No, it does not. >>> >>> What I did so far over night: >>> >>> I deleted /var/db/portsnap as well as /usr/ports/. Then I tried again. >>> Again failure. >>> After that it got the ports tree via CVS (make update in /usr/ports). >>> Everything seems >>> all right. I tried portsnap again. portsnap compalins about a >>> non-portsnap-created /usr/ports >>> and please me to use 'extract'. I do ... but then I run into the very >>> same failure: >>> >>> (portsnap fetch extract:) >>> /usr/ports/devel/cccc/ >>> /usr/ports/devel/ccdoc/ >>> /usr/ports/devel/ccrtp/ >>> /usr/ports/devel/cdash/ >>> files/dd7c394c9c9ddf4b97f1b14c676f370adc259b2c7a4b8346eba0788a431db398.gz not >>> found -- snapshot corrupt. >> I've been looking at the portsnap shellscript. This error message is generated >> by the shell's built-in test command, specifically '[ -r'. It is looking for a >> file that was extracted with tar. So the place to look for the bug is IMO >> >> 1) the portsnap script itself (differences between 8.2 and 9?) >> 2) the sh(1)'s built-in test command (ditto) >> 3) tar (ditto) >> >> When you run 'portsnap fetch' it downloads a tgz archive and unpacks it with >> tar(1). What you could try is to comment out the line 'rm ${SNAPSHOTHASH}.tgz' >> in portsnap, and test if the tgz file extracts differently using an >> 8.2-RELEASE tar and the 9-CURRENT tar. If so, that would be a bug! >> >> Roland > Just a "me too!". It happens for me on a recently updated 9-current > virtual machine, built with clang. > Regards! Just got a notebook, build with the old gcc 4.2 of the system FreeBSD 9.0/amd64 -r224579: portsnap works as expected. I will build a most recent system on that box (with systems's outdated gcc 4.2) and I'll report if the problem is still present. By the way: My boxes of failure are all built with CLANG. Oliver From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 11:05:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF6C1065672; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:05:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivier@gid0.org) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AADF8FC08; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:05:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk9 with SMTP id 9so2830647qyk.13 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:05:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.43.205 with SMTP id x13mr1758073qce.240.1313319934478; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.87.10 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:05:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E47A0CB.6090002@zedat.fu-berlin.de> References: <4E454ADD.1020201@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20110812171611.GA88850@slackbox.erewhon.net> <20110812182108.GA90173@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4E457477.4060400@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20110812205408.GA9873@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4E45ACA8.5070406@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20110813072642.GA24239@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4E462D0D.8070901@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20110813100810.GA27193@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4E4799D4.8000703@gmail.com> <4E47A0CB.6090002@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 13:05:34 +0200 Message-ID: From: Olivier Smedts To: "Hartmann, O." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:14:20 +0000 Cc: Roland Smith , Niclas Zeising , FreeBSD Current , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: files/dd7c394c9c9ddf4b97f1b14c676f370adc259b2c7a4b8346eba0788a431db398.gz not found -- snapshot corrupt. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:05:36 -0000 2011/8/14 Hartmann, O. : > On 08/14/11 11:48, Niclas Zeising wrote: >> >> On 2011-08-13 12:08, Roland Smith wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 09:51:41AM +0200, Hartmann, O. wrote: >>>> >>>> On 08/13/11 09:26, Roland Smith wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:43:52AM +0200, Hartmann, O. wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On 08/12/11 22:54, Roland Smith wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 08:44:07PM +0200, Hartmann, O. wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> files/dd7c394c9c9ddf4b97f1b14c676f370adc259b2c7a4b8346eba0788a43= 1db398.gz >>>>> >>>>> Does this file actually exist if you extract the snapshot? And are th= e >>>>> permissions et cetera OK? >>>>> >>>>> Roland >>>> >>>> No, it does not. >>>> >>>> What I did so far over night: >>>> >>>> I deleted /var/db/portsnap as well as /usr/ports/. Then I tried again. >>>> Again failure. >>>> After that it got the ports tree via CVS (make update in /usr/ports). >>>> Everything seems >>>> all right. I tried portsnap again. portsnap compalins about a >>>> non-portsnap-created /usr/ports >>>> and please me to use 'extract'. I do ... but then I run into the very >>>> same failure: >>>> >>>> (portsnap fetch extract:) >>>> /usr/ports/devel/cccc/ >>>> /usr/ports/devel/ccdoc/ >>>> /usr/ports/devel/ccrtp/ >>>> /usr/ports/devel/cdash/ >>>> >>>> files/dd7c394c9c9ddf4b97f1b14c676f370adc259b2c7a4b8346eba0788a431db398= .gz >>>> not >>>> found -- snapshot corrupt. >>> >>> I've been looking at the portsnap shellscript. This error message is >>> generated >>> by the shell's built-in test command, specifically '[ -r'. It is lookin= g >>> for a >>> file that was extracted with tar. So the place to look for the bug is I= MO >>> >>> 1) the portsnap script itself (differences between 8.2 and 9?) >>> 2) the sh(1)'s built-in test command (ditto) >>> 3) tar (ditto) >>> >>> When you run 'portsnap fetch' it downloads a tgz archive and unpacks it >>> with >>> tar(1). What you could try is to comment out the line 'rm >>> ${SNAPSHOTHASH}.tgz' >>> in portsnap, and test if the tgz file extracts differently using an >>> 8.2-RELEASE tar and the 9-CURRENT tar. =A0If so, that would be a bug! >>> >>> Roland >> >> Just a "me too!". It happens for me on a recently updated 9-current >> virtual machine, built with clang. >> Regards! > > Just got a notebook, build with the old gcc 4.2 of the system FreeBSD > 9.0/amd64 -r224579: portsnap works as expected. > > I will build a most recent system on that box (with systems's outdated gc= c > 4.2) and I'll report if the problem is still present. > > By the way: My boxes of failure are all built with CLANG. > > Oliver Trying again today, with my 9.0-BETA1 amd64 box built with clang. Not the same error, but the same kind when using "portsnap extract" : /usr/ports/lang/p5-JavaScript-Value-Escape/ /usr/ports/lang/p5-JavaScript/ /usr/ports/lang/p5-List-MoreUtils/ /usr/ports/lang/p5-Modern-Perl/ /usr/ports/lang/p5-POE-Component-Hailo/ files/b54a58da6d23d31f19a9105f70af03ef797aba8db6bdbc03d6deb72e62011d56.gz not found -- snapshot corrupt. This file is not present in /var/db/portsnap/files/. # ll /var/db/portsnap/files/ | wc -l 22862 This was after removing /var/db/portsnap/files/ and /var/db/portsnap/t* and a fresh "portsnap fetch", on the portsnap5 mirror. # fetch http://portsnap5.freebsd.org/s/c9a2c992e8bde0c98309f76a0ecfb00eb765= 58c7c3dcbd0405a88316b775e66b.tgz # tar tf c9a2c992e8bde0c98309f76a0ecfb00eb76558c7c3dcbd0405a88316b775e66b.t= gz | grep b54a58 nothing... I tried on portsnap2 and the file was not present in c9a2c992e8bde0c98309f76a0ecfb00eb76558c7c3dcbd0405a88316b775e66b.tgz --=20 Olivier Smedts=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 _ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) e-mail: olivier@gid0.org=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 - against HTML email & vCards=A0 X www: http://www.gid0.org=A0 =A0 - against proprietary attachments / \ =A0 "Il y a seulement 10 sortes de gens dans le monde : =A0 ceux qui comprennent le binaire, =A0 et ceux qui ne le comprennent pas." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 11:18:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C885106566C for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:18:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0372C8FC24 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:18:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7EBIAQn049983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:18:11 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p7EBIAQn049983 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1313320691; bh=vjoRZa2GMTyO/3YByq5sXtpFIf+A3HJVfjYerYEkTkA=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4E47AEEB.1000402@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20S un,=2014=20Aug=202011=2012:18:03=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20rv:5.0)=20Gecko/201 10624=20Thunderbird/5.0|MIME-Version:=201.0|To:=20"Conrad=20J.=20S abatier"=20|CC:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|S ubject:=20Re:=20what=20is=20causing=20this=20warning=20in=20/var/l og/messages?|References:=20<20110813184511.28b2982a@serene.no-ip.o rg>|In-Reply-To:=20<20110813184511.28b2982a@serene.no-ip.org>|X-En igmail-Version:=201.2|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Content-Type:=20mul tipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"applic ation/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig498380 C17BD67609F79BC9ED"; b=EfqQQv4LVMlGO3dCDfCpfGNATrvJThuMD6+XnpyPNvAj9hH4ZDAKU7VeE7mLs+01V 8NISxDyhTlKHusEyu8T4xfGD+cIMADJzPk3cJbPnJ5f232TzaX42liihylhpqX/Syh aMuR5WQyjOLURIz+lQE02Lqu/C0S/veBNQleWCa8= Message-ID: <4E47AEEB.1000402@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:18:03 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Conrad J. Sabatier" References: <20110813184511.28b2982a@serene.no-ip.org> In-Reply-To: <20110813184511.28b2982a@serene.no-ip.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig498380C17BD67609F79BC9ED" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.2 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what is causing this warning in /var/log/messages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:18:21 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig498380C17BD67609F79BC9ED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 14/08/2011 00:45, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > Did you every get any response to this question? I'm seeing something > very similar after just setting up named yesterday: >=20 > Aug 13 18:06:39 serene named[1105]: managed-keys-zone ./IN: loading > from master file managed-keys.bind failed: file not found >=20 > I'm just trying to setup a simple caching nameserver (slave), using the= > auto_forward options. >=20 That's a different problem to the one Gary had. It seems you have options { ... dnssec-validation =3D yes; ... }; in your named.conf (ie. check RRSIG data and ensure that there is a chain of trust from the root or whatever trust anchor you prefer. This is a good thing and really should be enabled in all recursive nameservers nowadays.) In order to do that, you need to explicitly specify your trusted key in named.conf -- or preferably an initial key, as named can track from that key to the currently active ones automatically. There are two important trust anchors: the dlv.isc.org key, and the root key. The DLV key is built into the Bind sources -- all you need to do is add: options { ... dnssec-lookaside auto; ... }; If you are really paranoid, then you can verify the PGP signature on, and then add the DLV KSK key to your named.conf as described here: http://www.isc.org/solutions/dlv#dlv_key The root key is different. In this case, to verify the key, pull the key data from the DNS and convert it into a DS (domain signing) record. Then compare that to the signed data published by IANA. Once you're satisfied, then add a managed-keys statement to named.conf like so: managed-keys { // The DNS root key -- see http://data.iana.org/root-anchors/ // Compare fingerprints with the key published in the DNS by: // dig . dnskey | grep -w 257 > root.key // dnssec-dsfromkey -2 root.key // Verify DS record against the IANA root-anchors data using PGP. . initial-key 257 3 8 "AwEAAagAIKlVZrpC6Ia7gEzahOR+9W29euxhJhVVLOyQbSEW0O8gcCjF FVQUTf6v58fLjwBd0YI0EzrAcQqBGCzh/RStIoO8g0NfnfL2MTJRkxoX bfDaUeVPQuYEhg37NZWAJQ9VnMVDxP/VHL496M/QZxkjf5/Efucp2gaD X6RS6CXpoY68LsvPVjR0ZSwzz1apAzvN9dlzEheX7ICJBBtuA6G3LQpz W5hOA2hzCTMjJPJ8LbqF6dsV6DoBQzgul0sGIcGOYl7OyQdXfZ57relS Qageu+ipAdTTJ25AsRTAoub8ONGcLmqrAmRLKBP1dfwhYB4N7knNnulq QxA+Uk1ihz0=3D"; }; Docco on managed-keys here: http://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind9/cur/9.8/doc/arm/Bv9ARM.ch06.html#id2589494 Note that DNSSEC is one area that has seen a great deal of development over the last several releases of BIND. It definitely works best in the latest version, bind-9.8.x, although any of the versions bundled with supported versions of FreeBSD will function correctly. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig498380C17BD67609F79BC9ED Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5HrvIACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxt1wCeL3hKwC4uLJJZJFiWamicUrSN bIwAoIdy53CTUM1ezdS3LfmtAsK9b47Z =7xHo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig498380C17BD67609F79BC9ED-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 11:27:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7C31065670 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:27:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [66.251.72.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57A88FC0C for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:27:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nber7.nber.org (nber7.nber.org [66.251.72.41]) by mail2.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7EBRVT6096955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:27:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from localhost (feenberg@localhost) by nber7.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p7EBRUPc007048; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:27:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: nber7.nber.org: feenberg owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:27:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg To: Alejandro Imass In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20110813164052.50af1126@scorpio> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LFD 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Anti-Virus: Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux Mail Server 5.6.39/RELEASE, bases: 20110814 #5892230, check: 20110814 clean Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Poll on server attacks X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:27:35 -0000 On Sat, 13 Aug 2011, Alejandro Imass wrote: > On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Jerry wrote: >> On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:43:02 -0400 >> Alejandro Imass articulated: >> > [...] > >> Personally, I prefer: . It is just a >> matter of personal taste I guess. >> The problem with using country lists for blocking is that individual sources can't get off them by behaving better. With no incentive to improve behavior, they are likely to continue the bad behavior forever, and the entire country is likely to remain tolerant of bad behavior. Daniel Feenberg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 11:33:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33011065678 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:33:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7490B8FC0A for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:33:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so11204855iye.17 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:33:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.54.104 with SMTP id p40mr5776826ibg.39.1313321605155; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.231.15.70 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:33:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1313313416.22472.YahooMailClassic@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1313313416.22472.YahooMailClassic@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:33:25 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: oVboxL_Vd-WwzzZYOaNh4_fNN8k Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: Bill Tillman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Poll on server attacks X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:33:26 -0000 On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 5:16 AM, Bill Tillman wrote: > > > --- On Sat, 8/13/11, Alejandro Imass wrote: > > > From: Alejandro Imass > Subject: Re: Poll on server attacks > To: "FreeBSD" > Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 7:57 PM > > [...] > I, like Jerry would also question your definition of enormous costs. I see attacks at my servers every day. But those are merely attempts to hack in and if you don't have actual breaches into your server then you're ok. There you go! How do you actually know if you've had actual breaches if you don't follow up on the logs and spend actual __hours__ doing that? How do you know your servers are not root-kitted? I had an experience with a Linux server once and it was root-kitted for a long time before we ever noticed. It was only after following up an attack that was reported to us by another party from our server that we actually realized that server was compromised. How do you really know how secure your servers are if you don't spend time testing with nmap, nessus, etc. ? Following up un security patches, etc. That, at least in our case has become time consuming it may not be every day, but on average it does take a lot of man hours. For a small company like our it's become a real cost issue. > major breach and that was due to my failure to plug an obvious hole in my Asterisk dial plan. It great you bring Asterisk up. For example, we've used sipvicious to test our asterisk server and then couple of days ago I get a call at 2am from a sipvicious attack something we couldn't replicate ourselves, at least not immediately. In fact, this particular Asterisk attack took us _many_ hours to figure out and made us decide to block massive China, Russia and Nigerian, ip blocks, and motivated me to write the thread in the first place! Having to stop some other productive activity, and spending a day or day and half figuring out some new form of attack is *very* costly for us at least. And the same thing goes for every other thing we have running on the servers. Everything has different types of holes, and every time there is a new wave or "fever" on attacks on something: phpmyadmin, rsync, subversion, mediawiki, apache, php, asterisk or what have you, then it's more and more hours poured into patching, testing, analyzing. Furthermore if you have Jails you may have different versions of these services with different security vulnerabilities. If you and Jerry are not spending a lot of time on these things, well good for you! I guess, but we do. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 11:25:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1233) id 4CF7E1065672; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:25:34 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:25:34 +0000 From: Alexander Best To: Niclas Zeising Message-ID: <20110814112534.GA58077@freebsd.org> References: <20110812171611.GA88850@slackbox.erewhon.net> <20110812182108.GA90173@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4E457477.4060400@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20110812205408.GA9873@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4E45ACA8.5070406@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20110813072642.GA24239@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4E462D0D.8070901@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20110813100810.GA27193@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4E4799D4.8000703@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E4799D4.8000703@gmail.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:48:51 +0000 Cc: Roland Smith , Olivier Smedts , FreeBSD Current , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, "Hartmann, O." , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: files/dd7c394c9c9ddf4b97f1b14c676f370adc259b2c7a4b8346eba0788a431db398.gz not found -- snapshot corrupt. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:25:34 -0000 On Sun Aug 14 11, Niclas Zeising wrote: > On 2011-08-13 12:08, Roland Smith wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 09:51:41AM +0200, Hartmann, O. wrote: > >> On 08/13/11 09:26, Roland Smith wrote: > >>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:43:52AM +0200, Hartmann, O. wrote: > >>>> On 08/12/11 22:54, Roland Smith wrote: > >>>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 08:44:07PM +0200, Hartmann, O. wrote: > >>>>>>>> files/dd7c394c9c9ddf4b97f1b14c676f370adc259b2c7a4b8346eba0788a431db398.gz > >>> Does this file actually exist if you extract the snapshot? And are the > >>> permissions et cetera OK? > >>> > >>> Roland > >> > >> No, it does not. > >> > >> What I did so far over night: > >> > >> I deleted /var/db/portsnap as well as /usr/ports/. Then I tried again. > >> Again failure. > >> After that it got the ports tree via CVS (make update in /usr/ports). > >> Everything seems > >> all right. I tried portsnap again. portsnap compalins about a > >> non-portsnap-created /usr/ports > >> and please me to use 'extract'. I do ... but then I run into the very > >> same failure: > >> > >> (portsnap fetch extract:) > >> /usr/ports/devel/cccc/ > >> /usr/ports/devel/ccdoc/ > >> /usr/ports/devel/ccrtp/ > >> /usr/ports/devel/cdash/ > >> files/dd7c394c9c9ddf4b97f1b14c676f370adc259b2c7a4b8346eba0788a431db398.gz not > >> found -- snapshot corrupt. > > > > I've been looking at the portsnap shellscript. This error message is generated > > by the shell's built-in test command, specifically '[ -r'. It is looking for a > > file that was extracted with tar. So the place to look for the bug is IMO > > > > 1) the portsnap script itself (differences between 8.2 and 9?) > > 2) the sh(1)'s built-in test command (ditto) > > 3) tar (ditto) > > > > When you run 'portsnap fetch' it downloads a tgz archive and unpacks it with > > tar(1). What you could try is to comment out the line 'rm ${SNAPSHOTHASH}.tgz' > > in portsnap, and test if the tgz file extracts differently using an > > 8.2-RELEASE tar and the 9-CURRENT tar. If so, that would be a bug! > > > > Roland > > Just a "me too!". It happens for me on a recently updated 9-current > virtual machine, built with clang. same here: /usr/ports/databases/gigabase/ /usr/ports/databases/godis/ files/39644d98f9e9b9d9a362cbfc075a996683e8a611a4362d883247c9a2e2fa2658.gz not found -- snapshot corrupt. running r224841 on amd64 built with base clang. > Regards! > -- > Niclas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 13:03:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B93106566B for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 13:03:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C5C8FC12 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 13:03:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7ED3lDY085852; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:03:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p7ED3laJ085849; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:03:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:03:47 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20110814063411.6ff8b776.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20110814032206.49ad7062.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110814060115.25636903.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110814063411.6ff8b776.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:03:47 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Antonio Olivares Subject: Re: System lockups in X with nVidia GeForce 7600 GS (G73) and Gtk+ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 13:03:51 -0000 On Sun, 14 Aug 2011, Polytropon wrote: > And just in case I have to replace it (PCIe required), what > brand of GPU should I buy instead? Again nVidia, or better > ATI, or Intel? It's a hard decision because I don't want > to get from one trouble into the next one... Radeon HD4650 has worked well for me for some time. The only problem I've seen is Firefox occasionally corrupts window borders. That might be Firefox or GTK or the radeon driver, but has been minor enough that I haven't pursued it. Some people report lockup problems with other versions of Radeon on the forums, cause unknown so far. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 13:08:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD431065672; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 13:08:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivier@gid0.org) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0578FC13; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 13:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwc9 with SMTP id 9so2835059qwc.13 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 06:08:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.95.84 with SMTP id c20mr1783681qcn.278.1313327316053; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 06:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.87.10 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 06:08:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110814112534.GA58077@freebsd.org> References: <20110812171611.GA88850@slackbox.erewhon.net> <20110812182108.GA90173@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4E457477.4060400@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20110812205408.GA9873@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4E45ACA8.5070406@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20110813072642.GA24239@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4E462D0D.8070901@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20110813100810.GA27193@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4E4799D4.8000703@gmail.com> <20110814112534.GA58077@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:08:35 +0200 Message-ID: From: Olivier Smedts To: Alexander Best Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 14:39:15 +0000 Cc: Niclas Zeising , Roland Smith , FreeBSD Current , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, "Hartmann, O." , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: files/dd7c394c9c9ddf4b97f1b14c676f370adc259b2c7a4b8346eba0788a431db398.gz not found -- snapshot corrupt. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 13:08:37 -0000 2011/8/14 Alexander Best : > On Sun Aug 14 11, Niclas Zeising wrote: >> On 2011-08-13 12:08, Roland Smith wrote: >> > On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 09:51:41AM +0200, Hartmann, O. wrote: >> >> On 08/13/11 09:26, Roland Smith wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:43:52AM +0200, Hartmann, O. wrote: >> >>>> On 08/12/11 22:54, Roland Smith wrote: >> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 08:44:07PM +0200, Hartmann, O. wrote: >> >>>>>>>> files/dd7c394c9c9ddf4b97f1b14c676f370adc259b2c7a4b8346eba0788a4= 31db398.gz >> >>> Does this file actually exist if you extract the snapshot? And are t= he >> >>> permissions et cetera OK? >> >>> >> >>> Roland >> >> >> >> No, it does not. >> >> >> >> What I did so far over night: >> >> >> >> I deleted /var/db/portsnap as well as /usr/ports/. Then I tried again= . >> >> Again failure. >> >> After that it got the ports tree via CVS (make update in /usr/ports). >> >> Everything seems >> >> all right. I tried portsnap again. portsnap compalins about a >> >> non-portsnap-created /usr/ports >> >> and please me to use 'extract'. I do ... but then I run into the very >> >> same failure: >> >> >> >> (portsnap fetch extract:) >> >> /usr/ports/devel/cccc/ >> >> /usr/ports/devel/ccdoc/ >> >> /usr/ports/devel/ccrtp/ >> >> /usr/ports/devel/cdash/ >> >> files/dd7c394c9c9ddf4b97f1b14c676f370adc259b2c7a4b8346eba0788a431db39= 8.gz not >> >> found -- snapshot corrupt. >> > >> > I've been looking at the portsnap shellscript. This error message is g= enerated >> > by the shell's built-in test command, specifically '[ -r'. It is looki= ng for a >> > file that was extracted with tar. So the place to look for the bug is = IMO >> > >> > 1) the portsnap script itself (differences between 8.2 and 9?) >> > 2) the sh(1)'s built-in test command (ditto) >> > 3) tar (ditto) >> > >> > When you run 'portsnap fetch' it downloads a tgz archive and unpacks i= t with >> > tar(1). What you could try is to comment out the line 'rm ${SNAPSHOTHA= SH}.tgz' >> > in portsnap, and test if the tgz file extracts differently using an >> > 8.2-RELEASE tar and the 9-CURRENT tar. =A0If so, that would be a bug! >> > >> > Roland >> >> Just a "me too!". It happens for me on a recently updated 9-current >> virtual machine, built with clang. > > same here: > > /usr/ports/databases/gigabase/ > /usr/ports/databases/godis/ > files/39644d98f9e9b9d9a362cbfc075a996683e8a611a4362d883247c9a2e2fa2658.gz= not found -- snapshot corrupt. > > running r224841 on amd64 built with base clang. Aparently fixed with latest HEAD *kernel* : # svn log -v -r224842 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ r224842 | rwatson | 2011-08-13 18:03:40 +0200 (sam 13 ao=FB 2011) | 10 lign= es Chemins modifi=E9s=A0: M /head/sys/kern/vfs_syscalls.c When falloc() was broken into separate falloc_noinstall() and finstall(), a bug was introduced in kern_openat() such that the error from the vnode open operation was overwritten before it was passed as an argument to dupfdopen(). This broke operations on /dev/{stdin,stdout,stderr}. Fix by preserving the original error number across finstall() so that it is still available. Approved by: re (kib) Reported by: cognet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You won't be able to buildworld with the buggy kernel, but you can buildkernel and reboot on the new kernel. No problems with portsnap after that (don't know if you have to clean the old portsnap files, I did it). --=20 Olivier Smedts=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 _ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) e-mail: olivier@gid0.org=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 - against HTML email & vCards=A0 X www: http://www.gid0.org=A0 =A0 - against proprietary attachments / \ =A0 "Il y a seulement 10 sortes de gens dans le monde : =A0 ceux qui comprennent le binaire, =A0 et ceux qui ne le comprennent pas." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 13:38:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1233) id 2CBBE10656A7; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 13:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 13:38:14 +0000 From: Alexander Best To: Olivier Smedts Message-ID: <20110814133814.GA77936@freebsd.org> References: <20110812182108.GA90173@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4E457477.4060400@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20110812205408.GA9873@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4E45ACA8.5070406@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20110813072642.GA24239@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4E462D0D.8070901@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20110813100810.GA27193@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4E4799D4.8000703@gmail.com> <20110814112534.GA58077@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 14:39:39 +0000 Cc: Niclas Zeising , Roland Smith , FreeBSD Current , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, "Hartmann, O." , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: files/dd7c394c9c9ddf4b97f1b14c676f370adc259b2c7a4b8346eba0788a431db398.gz not found -- snapshot corrupt. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 13:38:14 -0000 On Sun Aug 14 11, Olivier Smedts wrote: > 2011/8/14 Alexander Best : > > On Sun Aug 14 11, Niclas Zeising wrote: > >> On 2011-08-13 12:08, Roland Smith wrote: > >> > On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 09:51:41AM +0200, Hartmann, O. wrote: > >> >> On 08/13/11 09:26, Roland Smith wrote: > >> >>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:43:52AM +0200, Hartmann, O. wrote: > >> >>>> On 08/12/11 22:54, Roland Smith wrote: > >> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 08:44:07PM +0200, Hartmann, O. wrote: > >> >>>>>>>> files/dd7c394c9c9ddf4b97f1b14c676f370adc259b2c7a4b8346eba0788a431db398.gz > >> >>> Does this file actually exist if you extract the snapshot? And are the > >> >>> permissions et cetera OK? > >> >>> > >> >>> Roland > >> >> > >> >> No, it does not. > >> >> > >> >> What I did so far over night: > >> >> > >> >> I deleted /var/db/portsnap as well as /usr/ports/. Then I tried again. > >> >> Again failure. > >> >> After that it got the ports tree via CVS (make update in /usr/ports). > >> >> Everything seems > >> >> all right. I tried portsnap again. portsnap compalins about a > >> >> non-portsnap-created /usr/ports > >> >> and please me to use 'extract'. I do ... but then I run into the very > >> >> same failure: > >> >> > >> >> (portsnap fetch extract:) > >> >> /usr/ports/devel/cccc/ > >> >> /usr/ports/devel/ccdoc/ > >> >> /usr/ports/devel/ccrtp/ > >> >> /usr/ports/devel/cdash/ > >> >> files/dd7c394c9c9ddf4b97f1b14c676f370adc259b2c7a4b8346eba0788a431db398.gz not > >> >> found -- snapshot corrupt. > >> > > >> > I've been looking at the portsnap shellscript. This error message is generated > >> > by the shell's built-in test command, specifically '[ -r'. It is looking for a > >> > file that was extracted with tar. So the place to look for the bug is IMO > >> > > >> > 1) the portsnap script itself (differences between 8.2 and 9?) > >> > 2) the sh(1)'s built-in test command (ditto) > >> > 3) tar (ditto) > >> > > >> > When you run 'portsnap fetch' it downloads a tgz archive and unpacks it with > >> > tar(1). What you could try is to comment out the line 'rm ${SNAPSHOTHASH}.tgz' > >> > in portsnap, and test if the tgz file extracts differently using an > >> > 8.2-RELEASE tar and the 9-CURRENT tar.  If so, that would be a bug! > >> > > >> > Roland > >> > >> Just a "me too!". It happens for me on a recently updated 9-current > >> virtual machine, built with clang. > > > > same here: > > > > /usr/ports/databases/gigabase/ > > /usr/ports/databases/godis/ > > files/39644d98f9e9b9d9a362cbfc075a996683e8a611a4362d883247c9a2e2fa2658.gz not found -- snapshot corrupt. > > > > running r224841 on amd64 built with base clang. > > Aparently fixed with latest HEAD *kernel* : > > # svn log -v -r224842 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > r224842 | rwatson | 2011-08-13 18:03:40 +0200 (sam 13 aoû 2011) | 10 lignes > Chemins modifiés : > M /head/sys/kern/vfs_syscalls.c > > When falloc() was broken into separate falloc_noinstall() and finstall(), > a bug was introduced in kern_openat() such that the error from the vnode > open operation was overwritten before it was passed as an argument to > dupfdopen(). This broke operations on /dev/{stdin,stdout,stderr}. Fix > by preserving the original error number across finstall() so that it is > still available. > > Approved by: re (kib) > Reported by: cognet > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > You won't be able to buildworld with the buggy kernel, but you can > buildkernel and reboot on the new kernel. No problems with portsnap > after that (don't know if you have to clean the old portsnap files, I > did it). thanks. switching to a newer revision alone didn't solve the issue. however after doing rm -r /var/db/portsnap/files/; rm /var/db/portsnap/t*; portsnap fetch update everything's back to normal. :) > > -- > Olivier Smedts                                                 _ >                                         ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) > e-mail: olivier@gid0.org        - against HTML email & vCards  X > www: http://www.gid0.org    - against proprietary attachments / \ > >   "Il y a seulement 10 sortes de gens dans le monde : >   ceux qui comprennent le binaire, >   et ceux qui ne le comprennent pas." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 15:15:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5F5106564A for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:15:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net (eastrmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.215]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1548FC08 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:15:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20110814151534.UFCZ3924.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net>; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:15:34 -0400 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.83.25]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id LFFZ1h00D0YnB6A02FFZlu; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:15:33 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020206.4E47E695.00A8,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=L18tZtgXvCjggtrPsn7EqxywmDwdeqj6Yva+6kM3mdg= c=1 sm=1 a=-wIE2HHV8AcA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=2vO5UZG1h46htWAnE/rx2g==:17 a=WF2pI21SAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=t6brajuzV8olE5VbpeQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MHmzl5aOqcYA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=2vO5UZG1h46htWAnE/rx2g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from serene.no-ip.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7EFFWAx053051; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:15:33 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:15:27 -0500 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <20110814101527.49f6baed@serene.no-ip.org> In-Reply-To: <4E47AEEB.1000402@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <20110813184511.28b2982a@serene.no-ip.org> <4E47AEEB.1000402@infracaninophile.co.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what is causing this warning in /var/log/messages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:15:40 -0000 On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:18:03 +0100 Matthew Seaman wrote: [ detailed advice snipped for brevity ] Wow, thank you very much for that explanation. Much more than I had even hoped for. Appreciate it very much. I'll let you know how things turn out. -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 20:27:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24CE5106564A for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 20:27:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD04D8FC0C for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 20:27:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-15-138.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.15.138]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B6603CB83 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:27:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7EKR8Fo060031 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:27:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:27:08 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Questions Message-Id: <20110814222708.2a06dc05.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Installing and using wine on amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 20:27:11 -0000 In order to restore functionality that my old system provided almost 10 years ago (I checked when I bought it!), I'm currently trying to get wine working. Sadly, its Makefile states: ONLY_FOR_ARCHS=i386 I've done some research and found lots of posts several years old that suggest that using wine on AMD64 is not possible or requires binary packages that don't exist, and even if one can install it, it doesn't run. Has this situation improved meanwhile? Does anyone have a recipe on how to get wine running? Current system is 8.2-STABLE/amd64. Should I better re-install everything (Intel Core2 4300 1.80GHz / 1799.81-MHz K8-class CPU here, and 2 GB RAM, that's why the AMD64 choice) and use i386 instead? And maybe fix Gtk+ triggered GPU trouble that way? :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 20:32:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1F3106566B for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 20:32:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andre@drenet.info) Received: from arpnet.drenet.info (arpnet.drenet.info [174.136.104.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000138FC13 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 20:32:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [10.0.0.5]) by arpnet.drenet.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FEAEF2BA6 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:32:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from arpnet.drenet.info ([10.0.0.5]) by localhost (arpnet.drenet.info [10.0.0.5]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 96458-06 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:32:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from desktop.drenet.local (c-98-199-43-234.hsd1.tx.comcast.net [98.199.43.234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: andre@drenet.info) by arpnet.drenet.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 101CEF2BA4 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:32:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4E4830F6.4030507@drenet.info> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:32:54 -0500 From: Andre Goree User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110707 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110814222708.2a06dc05.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110814222708.2a06dc05.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Installing and using wine on amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 20:32:56 -0000 On 08/14/2011 15:27, Polytropon wrote: > In order to restore functionality that my old system provided > almost 10 years ago (I checked when I bought it!), I'm currently > trying to get wine working. Sadly, its Makefile states: > > ONLY_FOR_ARCHS=i386 > > I've done some research and found lots of posts several years > old that suggest that using wine on AMD64 is not possible or > requires binary packages that don't exist, and even if one can > install it, it doesn't run. > > Has this situation improved meanwhile? Does anyone have a > recipe on how to get wine running? > > Current system is 8.2-STABLE/amd64. Should I better re-install > everything (Intel Core2 4300 1.80GHz / 1799.81-MHz K8-class CPU > here, and 2 GB RAM, that's why the AMD64 choice) and use i386 > instead? > > And maybe fix Gtk+ triggered GPU trouble that way? :-) > > > This worked out for me when I was in the same predicament a few days ago: http://www.mediafire.com/wine_fbsd64 -- Andre Goree andre@drenet.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 21:42:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5059106564A for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:42:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 501B88FC15 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:42:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.net (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7ELg5SH017980; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:42:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 07142BA8F; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:42:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:42:04 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20110814214204.GA3547@slackbox.erewhon.net> References: <20110814222708.2a06dc05.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110814222708.2a06dc05.freebsd@edvax.de> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Installing and using wine on amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:42:42 -0000 --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:27:08PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > In order to restore functionality that my old system provided > almost 10 years ago (I checked when I bought it!), I'm currently > trying to get wine working. Sadly, its Makefile states: >=20 > ONLY_FOR_ARCHS=3Di386 >=20 > I've done some research and found lots of posts several years > old that suggest that using wine on AMD64 is not possible or > requires binary packages that don't exist, and even if one can > install it, it doesn't run. >=20 > Has this situation improved meanwhile? Does anyone have a > recipe on how to get wine running? There is someone who makes packages for wine on amd64. See http://people.freebsd.org/~ivoras/wine/ If these packages don't work, see http://wiki.freebsd.org/Wine and http://149.20.54.209/showthread.php?t=3D13982 > Current system is 8.2-STABLE/amd64. Should I better re-install > everything (Intel Core2 4300 1.80GHz / 1799.81-MHz K8-class CPU > here, and 2 GB RAM, that's why the AMD64 choice) and use i386 > instead? Try if the available packages work first; that is probably significantly le= ss work.=20 Otherwise, with only 2 GB RAM I don't think there is much gained by using amd64. Unless your particular applications are faster on amd64. > And maybe fix Gtk+ triggered GPU trouble that way? :-) Could be. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk5IQSwACgkQEnfvsMMhpyUiLACfRlcN4CEOHGGw8z4uwJSMOuyI TrcAnA7r2xwKqtzFvl8bgfTW6zUdPQOo =cjMy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 21:50:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9738106566B for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:50:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89AC68FC16 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:50:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-15-138.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.15.138]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4933CF56; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:50:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7ELojSW062108; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:50:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:50:45 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Andre Goree Message-Id: <20110814235045.2470b22a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4E4830F6.4030507@drenet.info> References: <20110814222708.2a06dc05.freebsd@edvax.de> <4E4830F6.4030507@drenet.info> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing and using wine on amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:50:48 -0000 On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:32:54 -0500, Andre Goree wrote: > This worked out for me when I was in the same predicament a few days > ago: http://www.mediafire.com/wine_fbsd64 Thank you, I've just rriet it. Pre-installation tasks are easy (implied that I did everything correctly), but then, make and python are in the state "pfault" and the system becomes very sluggish. Here some of the messages, repeated many times: # make [...] "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 5439: warning: duplicate script for target "package-depends" ignored "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 5442: warning: duplicate script for target "actual-package-depends" ignored "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 5449: warning: duplicate script for target "package-recursive" ignored "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 5459: warning: duplicate script for target "missing" ignored "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 5513: warning: duplicate script for target "www-site" ignored "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 5529: warning: duplicate script for target "/usr/ports/emulators/wine/README.html" ignored "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 5545: warning: duplicate script for target "/usr/ports/emulators/wine/README.html" ignored "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 5672: warning: duplicate script for target "/usr/ports/emulators/wine/work/.PLIST.mktmp" ignored "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 6159: warning: duplicate script for target "desktop-categories" ignored "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 6231: warning: duplicate script for target "check-desktop-entries" ignored "/usr/ports/emulators/wine/../wine/Makefile", line 181: warning: duplicate script for target "pre-build" ignored "/usr/ports/emulators/wine/../wine/Makefile", line 190: warning: duplicate script for target "post-install" ignored "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 2796: warning: duplicate script for target "master-sites-ALL" ignored "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 2798: warning: duplicate script for target "patch-sites-ALL" ignored "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 2801: warning: duplicate script for target "master-sites-DEFAULT" ignored "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 2803: warning: duplicate script for target "patch-sites-DEFAULT" ignored "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 3220: warning: duplicate script for target "ignorelist-verbose" ignored [...] "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.licenses.mk", line 563: warning: duplicate script for target "check-license" ignored "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.licenses.mk", line 724: warning: duplicate script for target "/usr/ports/emulators/wine/work/.license_done.wine._usr_local" ignored "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.licenses.mk", line 756: warning: duplicate script for target "install-license" ignored [...] swap_pager_getswapspace(16): failed [...] Aug 14 23:44:37 r56 kernel: pid 62075 (make), uid 0, was killed: out of swap space Killed There are many of the "swap_pager_getswapspace(16): failed" messages before the whole process stops. Any idea what could be wrong here, or is this expected? My system has 2 GB RAM and a 2 GB swap partition. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 23:09:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F02D106564A for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:09:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D73B58FC14 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-15-138.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.15.138]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8011E1E7; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 01:09:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7EN9OSd062483; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 01:09:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 01:09:24 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Roland Smith Message-Id: <20110815010924.02615d47.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110814214204.GA3547@slackbox.erewhon.net> References: <20110814222708.2a06dc05.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110814214204.GA3547@slackbox.erewhon.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing and using wine on amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:09:27 -0000 On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:42:04 +0200, Roland Smith wrote: > There is someone who makes packages for wine on amd64. See > http://people.freebsd.org/~ivoras/wine/ Thanks, this did help. I was able to install this package, but then had to manually install wine-gecko. After changing $PACKAGESITE to the i386 location for latest 8-STABLE, it was possible, and wine is running. I'll now see if it fits my simple needs. > Otherwise, with only 2 GB RAM [...] Oh ONLY! :-) > [...] I don't think there is much gained by using > amd64. Unless your particular applications are faster on amd64. I'm not sure, this is a simple home desktop, doing web browsing, hopefully some gaming later on, a bit of multimedia and of course application development, so I'm not depending on anything AMD64-specific, if I see this correctly. > > And maybe fix Gtk+ triggered GPU trouble that way? :-) > > Could be. Even though my new system feels much faster, fine-tuning and repeated repeatative repeatition problem, i. e. re-installing from scratch is a always something I try to avoid. But maybe it's worth doing so - I'll keep it in mind. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 23:29:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3481065672 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:29:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from levitch@iglou.com) Received: from rdsmtp.iglou.com (rdsmtp.iglou.com [192.107.41.63]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B6278FC14 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:29:38 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=iglou.com; s=alpha; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=YtuG1dnHwHTO6eD53AULNoaZzgEthZPIfkJMRMK2FIU=; b=Rs7lpYf3MBdjYH6sdwd7QB8t2UgXExKZYXpDM8HgfVbvX0SFwDxVXNiJ6V5inLdhYa6N3PWMMvnb+r1E4iLbzDOQhqjvIfbx22pcR85VkueALO/g/HuNZn3z+GOaqGPCVdpgwpyMUJb8/F2SqcCoG03KICvwdNjjj57EFXAn4k8=; Received: from iglou1.iglou.com ([192.107.41.3]:47794 helo=mail.iglou.com) by rdsmtp.iglou.com with esmtpa (Exim MTA/8.19.3) (envelope-from ) id 1Qsji4-0006DF-Rd by authid with igloumta_auth for questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 19:03:12 -0400 Received: from shell1.iglou.com ([192.107.41.17]:41957 helo=shell1) by mail.iglou.com with esmtps (TLS cipher TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim MTA/8.19.3) (envelope-from ) id 1Qsji4-0000Xy-HW for questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 19:03:12 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 19:03:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Darrel X-X-Sender: levitch@shell1 To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Originating-IP: 192.107.41.17 X-IgLou-Customer: 3cb6f76205bd20f518810676a67a982b Cc: Subject: beta1 FreeBSD9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:29:39 -0000 Excellent. Oh, well. I typically reinstall OpenBSD every 6 months. It looks like FreeBSD9 will be like this- /etc/rc.conf has changed. A binary upgrade might be a good effort, but I would not trust it any more than Microsoft "wizards". Installation for me took three tries. I used guid on the first and third tries. Darrel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 02:15:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73576106564A for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 02:15:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo101.cox.net (eastrmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 108B88FC0A for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 02:15:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20110815021507.QLZB3909.eastrmfepo101.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:15:07 -0400 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.83.25]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id LSF41h0080YnB6A02SF69h; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:15:06 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020A.4E48812A.0094,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=L18tZtgXvCjggtrPsn7EqxywmDwdeqj6Yva+6kM3mdg= c=1 sm=1 a=xPogv8hL9ToA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=2vO5UZG1h46htWAnE/rx2g==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=Y5SBFCVFlHOYxNFcFgEA:9 a=TWqs7365Q0VELA57MWYA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=2vO5UZG1h46htWAnE/rx2g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from serene.no-ip.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7F2EtkJ026257 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:14:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:14:49 -0500 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20110814211449.64d2755d@serene.no-ip.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Best soloution(s) for handling all the varied media content on the web? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 02:15:13 -0000 I'm just wondering what practical solutions people have arrived at for handling all the varied types of media on the web in their browser. I'd really like to be able to view sites like YouTube, etc. and Flash-enabled sites, with a minimum of hassle. I'm running 9.0-HEAD amd64, by the way, so that cuts down my options somewhat, I think (for instance, 32-bit and/or Linux plugins are somewhat problematic). Any relatively simple solutions for handling at least the most popular media types? Thanks. -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 02:25:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277F9106564A for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 02:25:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CF68FC08 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 02:25:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwi36 with SMTP id 36so4756418wwi.31 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 19:25:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ZTyl7nxb1u4UkHVIwO+sELMectEeDi7jY31hjRe43xs=; b=KZ2TzZtkDQLAc1QJSyotdQ4VrQlZnPrm3d+EipZZs6jxxUGwayPi6Pnc1Yk+rNoJ0w yBw20Ja4+yYVUjpEJFHlv8ya3NqfogU0domy27+r/Qh+YmFB5PUIJhu9IvZefaacV4iv 66nsnRcEIuhKv7Mh9eNPM5HGjPinLnGYC8Sgg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.181.15 with SMTP id k15mr3063815wem.16.1313375150433; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 19:25:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.152.169 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 19:25:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110814211449.64d2755d@serene.no-ip.org> References: <20110814211449.64d2755d@serene.no-ip.org> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 19:25:50 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: Best soloution(s) for handling all the varied media content on the web? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 02:25:52 -0000 On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 19:14, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > I'm just wondering what practical solutions people have arrived at for > handling all the varied types of media on the web in their browser. > I'd really like to be able to view sites like YouTube, etc. and > Flash-enabled sites, with a minimum of hassle. > > I'm running 9.0-HEAD amd64, by the way, so that cuts down my options > somewhat, I think (for instance, 32-bit and/or Linux plugins are > somewhat problematic). > > Any relatively simple solutions for handling at least the most popular > media types? > > Thanks. I've had good luck with VLC - it's in ports. Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 04:11:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75BB6106566C for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 04:11:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ashley.wil@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371D38FC12 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 04:11:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxh11 with SMTP id 11so4802815vxh.13 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:11:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=kY1mUR3Lt6AYdaSunF6z2YZmnCrS+CGqvCZXXYDk5FI=; b=nBM7QsYiAP0Z0JN3Kvn3w6KxMsNzIl2Y2/hAyKwksA6eaebU/vw0KnX7Qii97JlIof br5SwZzBgQM40k5+OViYRIXSSgh1y06H1DU+msV5e+e4jEZ1aj8+NtYkI4MEEbmB/jAy VpFIvC8SiEuOA4ygxspBUSL6pPWhGidqtrR7k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.67.146 with SMTP id n18mr3108413vdt.464.1313379627492; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 20:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.182.197 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 20:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:40:27 +1000 Message-ID: From: Ashley Williams To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: dtrace function arguments X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 04:11:49 -0000 I'm looking for a faster way to get more verbose information about dtrace function arguments. For example. Say, I want to know more about the funciton syscall:freebsd32:connect:return. I'd start off by doing a listing: # dtrace -lvf connect -----snip------- 43723 syscall freebsd32 connect return Probe Description Attributes Identifier Names: Private Data Semantics: Private Dependency Class: Unknown Argument Attributes Identifier Names: Private Data Semantics: Private Dependency Class: ISA Argument Types args[0]: int args[1]: caddr_t args[2]: int >From the output of the listing, I can see quite clearly there are three arguments for this function - int, caddr_t, int; but I can't see from this output what these refer to. I could probably find the answer by digging through header files and source code, but this isn't exactly efficient. Is there an easier way to find more information about functions (not specifically this one)? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 07:37:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672DB106564A for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:37:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc@nyx.user-mode.org) Received: from nyx.user-mode.org (nyx.user-mode.org [81.169.165.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 273848FC0A for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nyx.user-mode.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by nyx.user-mode.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D01B6242C087; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:37:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:37:06 +0200 From: Christian Barthel To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20110815073706.GA17654@nyx.user-mode.org> References: <20110814222708.2a06dc05.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110814222708.2a06dc05.freebsd@edvax.de> X-PGP-Key: "http://bc.user-mode.org/barthelc.asc" X-OS: GNU/Linux User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing and using wine on amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:37:11 -0000 On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:27:08PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > In order to restore functionality that my old system provided > almost 10 years ago (I checked when I bought it!), I'm currently > trying to get wine working. Sadly, its Makefile states: > > ONLY_FOR_ARCHS=i386 > > I've done some research and found lots of posts several years > old that suggest that using wine on AMD64 is not possible or > requires binary packages that don't exist, and even if one can > install it, it doesn't run. > > Has this situation improved meanwhile? Does anyone have a > recipe on how to get wine running? > > Current system is 8.2-STABLE/amd64. Should I better re-install > everything (Intel Core2 4300 1.80GHz / 1799.81-MHz K8-class CPU > here, and 2 GB RAM, that's why the AMD64 choice) and use i386 > instead? I don't understand why you have chosen AMD64? You only have 2 GB memory, which can be adressed under i386 too and you can avoid a lot of problems. Today, I am not quite sure about AMD64 because with PAE ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension#FreeBSD), you have a far better opportunity to address memory above 4 GB. All in all, your system, your rules ;) > > And maybe fix Gtk+ triggered GPU trouble that way? :-) > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Christian Barthel Public-Key: http://bc.user-mode.org/bc.asc Mail: bc@nyx.user-mode.org Web: http://bc.user-mode.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 08:04:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20C61065670 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:04:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ashley.wil@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25AE8FC13 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:04:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxh11 with SMTP id 11so4892278vxh.13 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 01:04:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=WwVt89UszmCyrx6ggHkXJpmZ+sN5tREIyGEc9IAC1D4=; b=WBIVoyCWQwlCfynjuStACfiTRCIydXFl7UjSMJ9MvJz/6UnN3RfPfs7tZY30AUSK2+ iTQK8dMYOOg8VWTToZQSar1oM+h2CbS4DYZlc3b3Ilgkw/ukcbKAp5OXyn3UsTyjlcAf /I02Lk1j137uEwrYcjk6y7qlrOPpQCl2KedeA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.98.226 with SMTP id el2mr3289345vdb.89.1313395493406; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 01:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.182.197 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 01:04:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110815073706.GA17654@nyx.user-mode.org> References: <20110814222708.2a06dc05.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110815073706.GA17654@nyx.user-mode.org> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:04:53 +1000 Message-ID: From: Ashley Williams To: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: Re: Installing and using wine on amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:04:56 -0000 >> I've done some research and found lots of posts several years >> old that suggest that using wine on AMD64 is not possible or >> requires binary packages that don't exist, and even if one can >> install it, it doesn't run. >> >> Has this situation improved meanwhile? Does anyone have a >> recipe on how to get wine running? You can get wine running on AMD64, see the following wiki link: http://wiki.freebsd.org/Wine#head-6963d527c173e57b1567e881305b544d33435b6d From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 08:34:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 736081065670 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:34:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378AB8FC17 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:34:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-15-138.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.15.138]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF511E186; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:34:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7F8YthZ065115; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:34:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:34:55 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Christian Barthel Message-Id: <20110815103455.4c760003.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110815073706.GA17654@nyx.user-mode.org> References: <20110814222708.2a06dc05.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110815073706.GA17654@nyx.user-mode.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing and using wine on amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:34:58 -0000 On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:37:06 +0200, Christian Barthel wrote: > I don't understand why you have chosen AMD64? You only have 2 GB memory, > which can be adressed under i386 too and you can avoid a lot of > problems. Reason: The i386 platform is obsoleted, and there will be less and less targets to install on. Furthermore, I though it would be good to use AMD64 because if the CPU. I know the ridiculous amount of 2 GB RAM is rather small. :-) > Today, I am not quite sure about AMD64 because with PAE ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension#FreeBSD), > you have a far better opportunity to address memory above 4 GB. With the present and upcoming problems, I currently really consider reinstalling the whole system. It's not _that_ problematic as it is sufficiently fast. It's also a nice learning experience. You _can't_ imagine the amount of things that stopped working. :-) > All in all, your system, your rules ;) My system, my mistakes. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 08:39:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08ED8106564A for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:39:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF568FC18 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-15-138.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.15.138]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CECE41E31F; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:39:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7F8dif8065135; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:39:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:39:44 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Ashley Williams Message-Id: <20110815103944.2b2bddcf.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20110814222708.2a06dc05.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110815073706.GA17654@nyx.user-mode.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing and using wine on amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:39:46 -0000 On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:04:53 +1000, Ashley Williams wrote: > >> I've done some research and found lots of posts several years > >> old that suggest that using wine on AMD64 is not possible or > >> requires binary packages that don't exist, and even if one can > >> install it, it doesn't run. > >> > >> Has this situation improved meanwhile? Does anyone have a > >> recipe on how to get wine running? > > You can get wine running on AMD64, see the following wiki link: > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/Wine#head-6963d527c173e57b1567e881305b544d33435b6d Thanks, I now got it working, the only remaining problems is that the programs I intend to run (older than 5 years, maybe even 10) have problems with "DirectX" stuff which I am supposed to manually install... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 11:14:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 647251065686 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:14:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253DE8FC25 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:14:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxh11 with SMTP id 11so4990467vxh.13 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 04:14:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.186.193 with SMTP id fm1mr3455319vdc.58.1313406869462; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 04:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.85.129 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 04:14:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.171.167] In-Reply-To: <20110815073706.GA17654@nyx.user-mode.org> References: <20110814222708.2a06dc05.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110815073706.GA17654@nyx.user-mode.org> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:14:29 +0200 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: Christian Barthel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing and using wine on amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:14:31 -0000 On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Christian Barthel wrote: > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:27:08PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: >> Current system is 8.2-STABLE/amd64. Should I better re-install >> everything (Intel Core2 4300 1.80GHz / 1799.81-MHz K8-class CPU >> here, and 2 GB RAM, that's why the AMD64 choice) and use i386 >> instead? > > I don't understand why you have chosen AMD64? You only have 2 GB memory, > which can be adressed under i386 too and you can avoid a lot of > problems. > > Today, I am not quite sure about AMD64 because with PAE ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension#FreeBSD), > you have a far better opportunity to address memory above 4 GB. Some applications run faster in 64-bit mode, because they make good use of the additional free registers... This is particularly important for crypto-stuff (it's noticeable even without benchmarking), and in some multimedia applications as well. And just to wit: some register-hungry applications run even faster on an old UltraSparc IIIi 1500 Mhz despite its slow memory than on a Phenom with 2.4 GHz and fast DDR 3 RAM. So it all depends on the particular applications. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 12:08:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CCD310656E8 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:08:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBFB8FC08 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:08:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 15 Aug 2011 08:07:59 -0400 Received: from smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.104]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.2.3-GA) with ESMTP id BFZ48625; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:07:58 -0400 Received: from 209-6-91-204.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.91.204]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 15 Aug 2011 08:07:57 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20041.3101.261464.446971@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:07:57 -0400 To: Christian Barthel In-Reply-To: <20110815073706.GA17654@nyx.user-mode.org> References: <20110814222708.2a06dc05.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110815073706.GA17654@nyx.user-mode.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing and using wine on amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:08:01 -0000 Christian Barthel writes: > > Current system is 8.2-STABLE/amd64. Should I better re-install > > everything (Intel Core2 4300 1.80GHz / 1799.81-MHz K8-class CPU > > here, and 2 GB RAM, that's why the AMD64 choice) and use i386 > > instead? > > I don't understand why you have chosen AMD64? You only have 2 GB > memory, which can be adressed under i386 too and you can avoid a > lot of problems. Perhaps they think it will be easier to add more memory than to reinstall FreeBSD and ports? Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 14:34:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559D7106566C for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:34:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email2.allantgroup.com (email2.emsphone.com [199.67.51.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017D28FC12 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:34:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email2.allantgroup.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7FEYPhs046067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:34:26 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7FEYPMm073251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:34:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id p7FEYP7I073249; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:34:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:34:24 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Ashley Williams Message-ID: <20110815143424.GA8675@dan.emsphone.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-OS: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.2 at email2.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (email2.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:34:26 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 199.67.51.78 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dtrace function arguments X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:34:27 -0000 In the last episode (Aug 15), Ashley Williams said: > I'm looking for a faster way to get more verbose information about > dtrace function arguments. > > For example. > > Say, I want to know more about the funciton > syscall:freebsd32:connect:return. I'd start off by doing a listing: > > # dtrace -lvf connect [...] > Argument Types > args[0]: int > args[1]: caddr_t > args[2]: int > > From the output of the listing, I can see quite clearly there are three > arguments for this function - int, caddr_t, int; but I can't see from this > output what these refer to. > > I could probably find the answer by digging through header files and > source code, but this isn't exactly efficient. Is there an easier way to > find more information about functions (not specifically this one)? All syscalls should have a manpage documenting their arguments, and some common kernel functions have manpages in section 9 (so "man 9 malloc" will get the kernel version, for example), but most kernel functions aren't officially documented apart from comments in the source. http://fxr.watson.org/ is a handy resource for finding where in the source tree a given function is defined. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 16:25:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B1FE106564A; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:25:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.allbsd.org (gatekeeper-int.allbsd.org [IPv6:2001:2f0:104:e002::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A49B78FC0A; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:25:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alph.allbsd.org (p3028-ipbf608funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp [125.175.94.28]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.allbsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7FGPXZB005312; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:25:43 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by alph.allbsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7FGPVXJ018926; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:25:33 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:24:55 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20110816.012455.903842338329808034.hrs@allbsd.org> To: ttsestt@gmail.com From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <86y5z1ymyi.fsf@gmail.com> References: <864o3dtsey.fsf@gmail.com> <20110628.085426.506761991991297056.hrs@allbsd.org> <86y5z1ymyi.fsf@gmail.com> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 6.3 on Emacs 23.1 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Tue_Aug_16_01_24_55_2011_785)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at gatekeeper.allbsd.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (mail.allbsd.org [133.31.130.32]); Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:25:49 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 required=13.0 tests=BAYES_00, CONTENT_TYPE_PRESENT,DIRECTOCNDYN,RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL,SPF_SOFTFAIL, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on gatekeeper.allbsd.org Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: daily snapshots updated (Was: Re: Where to download latest FreeBSD snapshots) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: current@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:25:58 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Tue_Aug_16_01_24_55_2011_785)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Test Rat wrote in <86y5z1ymyi.fsf@gmail.com>: tt> Can you add architecture name to HEAD snapshots? It often saves time tt> checking whether snapshot is suitable for testing months after being tt> dowloaded. Thank you for your feedback. While I have received various ideas and am still working on them, I recently added changes for the followng: 1. Use $TARGET and $TARGET_ARCH in ISO image names. Now it is like the following: FreeBSD-9.0-HEAD-20110809-JPSNAP-i386-i386-bootonly.iso Also, SHA-256 checksum files have been added in the same directory. 2. Use a clean build environment. This should fix an iso9660 format breakage issue in makefs(8). 3. The uncompressed tree of the release tarballs is added under the trees/ directory. Currently, snapshots of 7 platforms are being built natively. -- Hiroki ----Security_Multipart(Tue_Aug_16_01_24_55_2011_785)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAk5JSFgACgkQTyzT2CeTzy17TACfYWGX+qyWOuXxQIblvH9Ru5M4 /ugAoLYG7M70tcdP0AxmpOkdAnsOTud2 =sRDM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Tue_Aug_16_01_24_55_2011_785)---- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 16:37:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BCF1106564A for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:37:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 514F88FC16 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:37:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk9 with SMTP id 9so3376923qyk.13 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.78.159 with SMTP id l31mr2606596qck.221.1313426229493; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:37:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmail.com (ool-44c59c15.dyn.optonline.net [68.197.156.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w12sm4207407qct.36.2011.08.15.09.37.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:37:01 -0400 From: Chris Brennan To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20110815163659.GA22081@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Chris Subject: unprivledged users (for a service) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:37:12 -0000 Greetings, It's been a while since I've had to do this and the drive that contained all of my notes is dead, along with the backup (I was actually lucky to recover my home drive before it also failed but my notes were not there). I cannot for the life of me remember how to properly add an unprivledged user that will only be used for running a specific system service. So it doesn't need a login shell or $HOME. If someone could point me in the right direction, I would be most appreciative. -- > Chris Brennan > -- > A: Yes. > >Q: Are you sure? > >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? > http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ > GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 16:42:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DBF31065675 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:42:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout028.mac.com (asmtpout028.mac.com [17.148.16.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2611A8FC15 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:42:37 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp028.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LPZ005UMAEG7T90@asmtp028.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:42:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-08-15_05:2011-08-15, 2011-08-15, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1108150169 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <20110815163659.GA22081@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:42:16 -0700 Message-id: <238F0CF5-33DC-4F9A-88E3-F8356E125573@mac.com> References: <20110815163659.GA22081@gmail.com> To: Chris Brennan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: unprivledged users (for a service) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:42:38 -0000 On Aug 15, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Chris Brennan wrote: > It's been a while since I've had to do this and the drive that contained > all of my notes is dead, along with the backup (I was actually lucky to > recover my home drive before it also failed but my notes were not > there). I cannot for the life of me remember how to properly add an > unprivledged user that will only be used for running a specific system > service. So it doesn't need a login shell or $HOME. Add a user and set the shell to /bin/false or perhaps /sbin/nologin; for $HOME set it to /var/empty or /tmp, perhaps. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 16:50:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065F8106566B for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:50:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E2B8FC14 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:50:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk4 with SMTP id 4so1044867qyk.13 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.185.80 with SMTP id cn16mr2727071qab.215.1313427045385; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.9] (ool-44c59c15.dyn.optonline.net [68.197.156.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w12sm4215523qct.36.2011.08.15.09.50.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E494E5A.90306@xaerolimit.net> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:50:34 -0400 From: Chris Brennan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: FreeBSD Questions References: <20110815163659.GA22081@gmail.com> <238F0CF5-33DC-4F9A-88E3-F8356E125573@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <238F0CF5-33DC-4F9A-88E3-F8356E125573@mac.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2 OpenPGP: id=D5B20C0C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig43FD9917975DAF7DB261DF78" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: unprivledged users (for a service) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:50:48 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig43FD9917975DAF7DB261DF78 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000207030101030704090607" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000207030101030704090607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 8/15/2011 12:42 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: > Add a user and set the shell to /bin/false or perhaps /sbin/nologin;=20 > for $HOME set it to /var/empty or /tmp, perhaps. Ahh thanks, I wasn't sure if there was a script that did this automatically and I just failed to find it or if I could just use the standard adduser script. --=20 > Chris Brennan > -- > A: Yes. > >Q: Are you sure? > >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? > http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ > GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------000207030101030704090607-- --------------enig43FD9917975DAF7DB261DF78 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOSU5iAAoJEO7NmoTVsgwMUCcH/jT99h1MFUrUGrAIdc5sNayR 6hpcTVViC6D9B/vmo1WxWz05ngOrGSnMVTF4bWacgjtYxufjDUf6BYJAt1ZfNAA5 7Nj3cBQbQtiW8PRg0sxjSq/mh0WgMMUsgNmnsa3kXExZqPCNfKs/lWKeKeCoI3ns 0b34ZhI1cd72zOAOoK5FCPkxBWyCg04fAPBTnhiYDOEVpCWgYFvp2yxtlBOqDguo nA4alT88Ddgq5TlThHixGYvg+KC+6CO9YPTGiOzzz52czVZFErSO/lh2XdsnOCJ3 00RoIXLMfGK66/Q6bloMTDe5aTaiFBQfpwZLXUq0DETrOeEBnW0l1scuyx3y0cU= =953l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig43FD9917975DAF7DB261DF78-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 16:54:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79DDD106564A for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:54:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374148FC0C for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:54:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qt0QP-0006za-Vr for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:54:05 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.85.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:54:05 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:54:05 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:59:07 -0400 Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <20110815163659.GA22081@gmail.com> <238F0CF5-33DC-4F9A-88E3-F8356E125573@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: unprivledged users (for a service) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:54:09 -0000 Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Aug 15, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Chris Brennan wrote: >> It's been a while since I've had to do this and the drive that contained >> all of my notes is dead, along with the backup (I was actually lucky to >> recover my home drive before it also failed but my notes were not >> there). I cannot for the life of me remember how to properly add an >> unprivledged user that will only be used for running a specific system >> service. So it doesn't need a login shell or $HOME. > > Add a user and set the shell to /bin/false or perhaps /sbin/nologin; for > $HOME set it to /var/empty or /tmp, perhaps. > > Regards, I always used to look at user 'nobody' in vipw for this: nobody:*:65534:65534::0:0:Unprivileged user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 17:35:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9CB1065672 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:35:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexus@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04DBC8FC1D for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd10 with SMTP id 10so3803349gyd.13 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:35:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ZhnnmRoFRbCaa5+RP7wXRLmHHMQRjPW6ZmkTnu3+tMQ=; b=WZBjWjRgP71NV0kFVEj+tZx2YqJXmoOT3Wj0hsFpUDrAsjE+l9DnNbcFbe1iFRQNn4 S9LX8b5T3lP1QJJc6I5tdw0xisLUOhpij8OokkCcg3UTANPVr5q4an+655Zm6xANc+GC Wro/CMXsIrA2au9MvgH88jrhZsukZcNuiQl5g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.193.3 with SMTP id q3mr2051361wff.243.1313427915388; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.60.97 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:05:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: alexus To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: looking for a spammer/virii/malware .... on my system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:35:41 -0000 I received a SPAM complain from my ISP and we're trying to figure out what/where the problem is... from headers: Received: from 64.237.55.83 by webmail.west.cox.net; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 18:43:41 -0400 64.237.55.83 is an IP that resides on my box, obviously I'm not sending out any spam intentionally, so maybe some of my users do and not necessarily intentionally either could be a virus or malware or whatever doesn't really matter, I just want to stop it. so just for now I did this su-3.2# ipfw add 666 deny ip from any to webmail.west.cox.net via any 00666 deny ip from any to 68.6.19.1 su-3.2# what else can I do to find it on my system who's trying to connect to remote webmail.west.cox.net ? -- http://alexus.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 17:46:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7181065670; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:46:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [65.122.17.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE958FC17; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:46:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bigwig.baldwin.cx (66.111.2.69.static.nyinternet.net [66.111.2.69]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5696146B37; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jhbbsd.localnet (unknown [209.249.190.124]) by bigwig.baldwin.cx (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EC0C08A037; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:46:17 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:46:16 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.2-CBSD-20110617; KDE/4.5.5; amd64; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201108151346.16950.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (bigwig.baldwin.cx); Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Cc: Jon Theil Nielsen , User Questions Subject: Re: MFP recommendations X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:46:18 -0000 On Thursday, August 11, 2011 5:51:36 am Jon Theil Nielsen wrote: > 2011/8/10 Jon Theil Nielsen > > > Hi list, > > > > I want to buy another printer to use mainly with Windows. Even though I > > have no good feelings about those devises, that claims to be able to do > > everything I need. Even though, I need a better scanner with ADF and duplex > > printing (it need to be able to connect wirelessly to my Windows stations). > > So my question is if I can find such a thing, that I can connect to my > > FreeBSD server too. And if you can recommend a specific model. > > I have been looking at a lot of models, but I can't figure out if any of > > them would be able to work through FreeBSD, cups etc. Examples: > > HP Officejet Pro 8500A (CM755A) > > HP Photosmart Premium Fax e-All-in-One (CQ521B) > > Canon PIXMA MX885 > > Epson... > > Brother... > > In the first place, I may have to connect it via USB or ehternet. If it > > could be connected by my wireless adapter (Linksys WUSB600N), it would be > > nice > > > > Best regards, > > Jon Theil Nielsen > > > > Since my main goal is to be able to print over the network via my FreeBSD > station, I could put in another way: > Can I expect that printers known to be supported by HPLIP ( > http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/supported_devices/index.html) actually > work in FreeBSD? And would one of the HP models by a "safe" choice? Yes, anything that works with hplip (which is in ports) will work great with cups in KDE, OpenOffice, etc. I currently use some MFC OfficeJet thinigie at home with hplip. -- John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 17:39:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991E6106564A for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:39:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout029.mac.com (asmtpout029.mac.com [17.148.16.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819608FC12 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:39:21 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp029.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LPZ00LABD1DBN30@asmtp029.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:39:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-08-15_05:2011-08-15, 2011-08-15, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1108150185 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:39:13 -0700 Message-id: References: To: alexus X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:49:29 +0000 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looking for a spammer/virii/malware .... on my system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:39:21 -0000 On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:05 AM, alexus wrote: > what else can I do to find it on my system who's trying to connect to > remote webmail.west.cox.net ? Monitor your network for SMTP traffic: tcpdump -nA -s 0 port 25 If malware is sending out spam, you'll see it and can then use lsof or whatever to identify the specific user/process. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 17:54:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76021065674 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:54:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fidaj@ukr.net) Received: from fsm2.ukr.net (fsm2.ukr.net [195.214.192.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C0D88FC17 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:54:08 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ukr.net; s=fsm; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=9P7wg6OdfizxLQE+jBoh3ROY/SoSUY3g3megyuHDyX8=; b=kDx76Dg2y8n6G54vGbY0xEqTKfSbfji5BP8G33c+qCJ4qJ55qRsvynwEZ6CuIlUqHun9/FjzBF6UdzL/3+UwksGRAN39zS0dVTTcKzBmTRQBy4HvCbdQVEa3NOupPRuVarjCw9gbh+x7LZvbYR65ibr5Q7h2TTxKxqIdjMJDYVk=; Received: from [178.137.138.222] (helo=nonamehost.) by fsm2.ukr.net with esmtps ID 1Qt17k-000G3U-5U ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:38:52 +0300 Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:38:51 +0300 From: Ivan Klymenko To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110815203851.4dd66b04@nonamehost.> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Buildworld failure after update r224806 to r224886 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:54:09 -0000 Hello, all! I have: uname -a FreeBSD nonamehost 9.0-BETA1 FreeBSD 9.0-BETA1 #0 r224806M: Sat Aug 13 15:43:38 EEST 2011 ivan@nonamehost:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/mk9 amd64 Buildworld failure after update r224806 to r224886 In my configuration files since nothing has changed... Building of the world accompanied by the following errors: ... ===> include/rpc (all) gzip -cn heimdal.info > heimdal.info.gz /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyylex' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyyin' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyytext' ranlib libavl_p.a ===> cddl/lib/libctf (all) ===> kerberos5/lib (all) /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyylex' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyyin' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyytext' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyyerror' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyylineno' distcc[31852] ERROR: compile (null) on localhost failed *** Error code 1 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyyerror' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyylineno' distcc[31847] ERROR: compile (null) on localhost failed *** Error code 1 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyylex' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyyin' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyytext' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyyerror' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyylineno' distcc[31856] ERROR: compile (null) on localhost failed *** Error code 1 /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -pg -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -DCTF_OLD_VERSIONS -I/usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../sys/cddl/compat/opensolaris -I/usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../cddl/compat/opensolaris/include -I/usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../cddl/contrib/opensolaris/head -I/usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../cddl/contrib/opensolaris/common/ctf -I/usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../cddl/contrib/opensolaris/lib/libctf/common -I/usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../sys/cddl/contrib/opensolaris/uts/common -DNEED_SOLARIS_BOOLEAN -std=gnu89 -fstack-protector -Wno-pointer-sign -Wno-unknown-pragmas -c /usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../cddl/contrib/opensolaris/common/ctf/ctf_create.c -o ctf_create.po gzip -cn atrun.8 > atrun.8.gz 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -pg -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -DCTF_OLD_VERSIONS -I/usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../sys/cddl/compat/opensolaris -I/usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../cddl/compat/opensolaris/include -I/usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../cddl/contrib/opensolaris/head -I/usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../cddl/contrib/opensolaris/common/ctf -I/usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../cddl/contrib/opensolaris/lib/libctf/common -I/usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../sys/cddl/contrib/opensolaris/uts/common -DNEED_SOLARIS_BOOLEAN -std=gnu89 -fstack-protector -Wno-pointer-sign -Wno-unknown-pragmas -c /usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../cddl/contrib/opensolaris/common/ctf/ctf_decl.c -o ctf_decl.po /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -c -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -DIN_GCC -DIN_LIBGCC2 -D__GCC_FLOAT_NOT_NEEDED -DHAVE_GTHR_DEFAULT -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../../contrib/gcclibs/include -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../../contrib/gcc/config -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../../contrib/gcc -I. -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../usr.bin/cc/cc_tools -std=gnu99 -fvisibility=hidden -DHIDE_EXPORTS -p -fPIC -fexceptions -D__GLIBC__=3 -DElfW=__ElfN -o unwind-sjlj.po /usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../../contrib/gcc/unwind-sjlj.c /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -c -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -DIN_GCC -DIN_LIBGCC2 -D__GCC_FLOAT_NOT_NEEDED -DHAVE_GTHR_DEFAULT -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../../contrib/gcclibs/include -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../../contrib/gcc/config -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../../contrib/gcc -I. -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../usr.bin/cc/cc_tools -std=gnu99 -fvisibility=hidden -DHIDE_EXPORTS -p -fPIC -fexceptions -D__GLIBC__=3 -DElfW=__ElfN -o gthr-gnat.po /usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../../contrib/gcc/gthr-gnat.c /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -c -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -DIN_GCC -DIN_LIBGCC2 -D__GCC_FLOAT_NOT_NEEDED -DHAVE_GTHR_DEFAULT -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../../contrib/gcclibs/include -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../../contrib/gcc/config -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../../contrib/gcc -I. -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../usr.bin/cc/cc_tools -std=gnu99 -fvisibility=hidden -DHIDE_EXPORTS -p -fPIC -fexceptions -D__GLIBC__=3 -DElfW=__ElfN -o unwind-c.po /usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../../contrib/gcc/unwind-c.c ===> kerberos5/lib/libasn1 (all) ... ... /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -pg -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libreadline/readline/.. -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libreadline/readline/../../../../contrib/libreadline -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DRL_LIBRARY_VERSION='"5.2"' -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -c /usr/src/gnu/lib/libreadline/readline/../../../../contrib/libreadline/macro.c -o macro.po /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -pg -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libasn1/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/asn1 -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libasn1/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/roken -I. -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libasn1/../../include -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -c asn1_RSAPublicKey.c -o asn1_RSAPublicKey.po /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -DPROF -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -I/usr/src/lib/libc/include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/amd64 -DNLS -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/gdtoa -DINET6 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libc -I/usr/src/lib/libc/resolv -D_ACL_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/tzcode/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DPORTMAP -DDES_BUILTIN -I/usr/src/lib/libc/rpc -DYP -DNS_CACHING -DSYMBOL_VERSIONING -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-pointer-sign -c semget.S -o semget.po /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -pg -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libreadline/readline/.. -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libreadline/readline/../../../../contrib/libreadline -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DRL_LIBRARY_VERSION='"5.2"' -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -c /usr/src/gnu/lib/libreadline/readline/../../../../contrib/libreadline/input.c -o input.po /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyylex' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyyin' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyytext' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyyerror' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyylineno' distcc[33441] ERROR: compile (null) on localhost failed *** Error code 1 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -DPROF -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -I/usr/src/lib/libc/include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/amd64 -DNLS -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/gdtoa -DINET6 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libc -I/usr/src/lib/libc/resolv -D_ACL_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/tzcode/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DPORTMAP -DDES_BUILTIN -I/usr/src/lib/libc/rpc -DYP -DNS_CACHING -DSYMBOL_VERSIONING -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-pointer-sign -c semop.S -o semop.po /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -pg -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libreadline/readline/.. -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libreadline/readline/../../../../contrib/libreadline -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DRL_LIBRARY_VERSION='"5.2"' -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -c /usr/src/gnu/lib/libreadline/readline/../../../../contrib/libreadline/callback.c -o callback.po /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -DPROF -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -I/usr/src/lib/libc/include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/amd64 -DNLS -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/gdtoa -DINET6 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libc -I/usr/src/lib/libc/resolv -D_ACL_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/tzcode/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DPORTMAP -DDES_BUILTIN -I/usr/src/lib/libc/rpc -DYP -DNS_CACHING -DSYMBOL_VERSIONING -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-pointer-sign -c freebsd7_msgctl.S -o freebsd7_msgctl.po ... ... /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -pg -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -I/usr/src/lib/libc/include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/amd64 -DNLS -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/gdtoa -DINET6 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libc -I/usr/src/lib/libc/resolv -D_ACL_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/tzcode/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DPORTMAP -DDES_BUILTIN -I/usr/src/lib/libc/rpc -DYP -DNS_CACHING -DSYMBOL_VERSIONING -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-pointer-sign -c /usr/src/lib/libc/gen/getusershell.c -o getusershell.po /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyylex' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyyin' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyytext' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyyerror' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyylineno' distcc[36177] ERROR: compile (null) on localhost failed *** Error code 1 1 error /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -pg -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -I/usr/src/lib/libc/include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/amd64 -DNLS -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/gdtoa -DINET6 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libc -I/usr/src/lib/libc/resolv -D_ACL_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/tzcode/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DPORTMAP -DDES_BUILTIN -I/usr/src/lib/libc/rpc -DYP -DNS_CACHING -DSYMBOL_VERSIONING -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-pointer-sign -c /usr/src/lib/libc/gen/getvfsbyname.c -o getvfsbyname.po *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -pg -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -I/usr/src/lib/libc/include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/amd64 -DNLS -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/gdtoa -DINET6 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libc -I/usr/src/lib/libc/resolv -D_ACL_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/tzcode/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DPORTMAP -DDES_BUILTIN -I/usr/src/lib/libc/rpc -DYP -DNS_CACHING -DSYMBOL_VERSIONING -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-pointer-sign -c /usr/src/lib/libc/gen/glob.c -o glob.po /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -pg -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -I/usr/src/lib/libc/include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/amd64 -DNLS -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/gdtoa -DINET6 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libc -I/usr/src/lib/libc/resolv -D_ACL_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/tzcode/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DPORTMAP -DDES_BUILTIN -I/usr/src/lib/libc/rpc -DYP -DNS_CACHING -DSYMBOL_VERSIONING -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-pointer-sign -c /usr/src/lib/libc/gen/initgroups.c -o initgroups.po ... ... /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -pg -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -I/usr/src/lib/libc/include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/amd64 -DNLS -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/gdtoa -DINET6 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libc -I/usr/src/lib/libc/resolv -D_ACL_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/tzcode/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DPORTMAP -DDES_BUILTIN -I/usr/src/lib/libc/rpc -DYP -DNS_CACHING -DSYMBOL_VERSIONING -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-pointer-sign -c /usr/src/lib/libc/rpc/svc_simple.c -o svc_simple.po /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyylex' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyyin' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyytext' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyyerror' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyylineno' distcc[37994] ERROR: compile (null) on localhost failed *** Error code 1 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -pg -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -I/usr/src/lib/libc/include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/amd64 -DNLS -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/gdtoa -DINET6 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libc -I/usr/src/lib/libc/resolv -D_ACL_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/tzcode/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DPORTMAP -DDES_BUILTIN -I/usr/src/lib/libc/rpc -DYP -DNS_CACHING -DSYMBOL_VERSIONING -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-pointer-sign -c /usr/src/lib/libc/rpc/svc_vc.c -o svc_vc.po ... ... ===> lib/clang/libllvmx86instprinter (all) ===> lib/clang/libllvmx86utils (all) ===> lib/clang/include (all) 6 errors *** Error code 2 *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/src. ... Someone have any idea what is that? Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 18:04:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664E1106566C for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:04:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexus@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f45.google.com (mail-pz0-f45.google.com [209.85.210.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B3E8FC0A for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:04:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33so5582118pzk.18 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:04:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WvSK8ht92WWL8H0Uzmf4Qb0PTpMCy4+U6UViIBwo62M=; b=NpPHds0oB0tjmflRfW08VPhRvNWGoGoQL4zyjKNzqGJJRD78xqLexfdLq7kGmvQLak atUF32T91OcJa9M+GZpUv1t5Um7FuB06mfXSE2hSt25V7+ngp/BFIP3k1/lwfGmTzLNp wOaAhm6zODZa35czbS+bhkzxZvel//Ixuv3AU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.55.4 with SMTP id d4mr1929285wfa.129.1313431467628; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.60.97 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:04:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:04:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: alexus To: Chuck Swiger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looking for a spammer/virii/malware .... on my system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:04:28 -0000 I personally leaning towards that these headers are being modified and that there is no spam leaving my box (I may be wrong of couse) here is what I did to come up with that thought.... I sent myself an email -bash-3.2# echo $$ | mail alexus@gmail.com -bash-3.2# through google headers I see follwoing: Delivered-To: alexus@gmail.com Received: by 10.68.60.97 with SMTP id g1cs121928pbr; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mr.google.com ([10.52.21.70]) by 10.52.21.70 with SMTP id t6mr5504300vde.56.1313430746298 (num_hops =3D 1); Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.21.70 with SMTP id t6mr3999448vde.56.1313430745493; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from alexus.biz ([64.237.55.83]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id co6si13861841vdc.76.2011.08.15.10.5= 2.23 (version=3DTLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=3DOTHER); Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: softfail (google.com: domain of transitioning root@alexus.org does not designate 64.237.55.83 as permitted sender) client-ip=3D64.237.55.83; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=3Dsoftfail (google.com: domain of transitioning root@alexus.org does not designate 64.237.55.83 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=3Droot@alexus.org Received: from alexus.org (lama [64.237.55.83]) by alexus.biz (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p7FHqNvO049613 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:52:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from root@alexus.org) Received: (from root@localhost) by alexus.org (8.14.4/8.14.3/Submit) id p7FHqIl1049612 for alexus@gmail.com; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:52:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from root) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:52:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Charlie Root Message-Id: <201108151752.p7FHqIl1049612@alexus.org> To: alexus@gmail.com 49609 I see that whenever mail leaves my box (assuming it was left my box in a standard way) I see sendmail involves in the process and I see remote server tried to resolve my IP while the "original" email that was provided to me by my ISP doesn't have any of that... so that makes me think that nothing ever happened on my box and that my IP in that original email was just manually added there (without any emails ever leaving my box) but then again here is scenario #2 a user connects to a remote server not using standard ways but making a connection to remote webmail.west.cox.net directly (bypassing my sendmail) in that case my firewall rule should prevent this user from doing so ever a= gain then again doing so is not really resolving it (I still dont know where its origin from, and thats what I want/need to find out) I'm running apache httpd, so as far as I see it could be pretty much any site that I host generate that kind of issue so I'm back to square 1, how do I find it? if it's in php could be famous base64_decode();/base64_encode(); and then good luck for locating one of that... any other ideas? On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:05 AM, alexus wrote: >> what else can I do to find it on my system who's trying to connect to >> remote webmail.west.cox.net ? > > Monitor your network for SMTP traffic: > > =C2=A0tcpdump -nA -s 0 port 25 > > If malware is sending out spam, you'll see it and can then use lsof or wh= atever to identify the specific user/process. > > Regards, > -- > -Chuck > > --=20 http://alexus.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 18:13:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F425106566B; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:13:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niclas.zeising@gmail.com) Received: from mail.lysator.liu.se (mail.lysator.liu.se [IPv6:2001:6b0:17:f0a0::3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD788FC12; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:13:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 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[IPv6:2001:470:dca9:1::4]) by mail.daemonic.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E93E712B0A0; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:12:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E496193.3090008@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:12:35 +0200 From: Niclas Zeising User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ivan Klymenko References: <4e495a09.02be960a.01b4.ffff84a6SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <4e495a09.02be960a.01b4.ffff84a6SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Buildworld failure after update r224806 to r224886 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:13:29 -0000 On 2011-08-15 19:38, Ivan Klymenko wrote: > Hello, all! > > I have: > uname -a > FreeBSD nonamehost 9.0-BETA1 FreeBSD 9.0-BETA1 #0 r224806M: Sat Aug 13 > 15:43:38 EEST 2011 ivan@nonamehost:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/mk9 amd64 > > Buildworld failure after update r224806 to r224886 > > In my configuration files since nothing has changed... > > Building of the world accompanied by the following errors: > > ... > ===> include/rpc (all) > gzip -cn heimdal.info > heimdal.info.gz > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyylex' > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyyin' > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyytext' > ranlib libavl_p.a > ===> cddl/lib/libctf (all) > ===> kerberos5/lib (all) > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyylex' > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyyin' > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyytext' > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyyerror' > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyylineno' > distcc[31852] ERROR: compile (null) on localhost failed > *** Error code 1 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyyerror' > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyylineno' > distcc[31847] ERROR: compile (null) on localhost failed > *** Error code 1 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyylex' > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyyin' > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyytext' > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyyerror' > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyylineno' > distcc[31856] ERROR: compile (null) on localhost failed > *** Error code 1 > /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -pg -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -DCTF_OLD_VERSIONS -I/usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../sys/cddl/compat/opensolaris -I/usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../cddl/compat/opensolaris/include -I/usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../cddl/contrib/opensolaris/head -I/usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../cddl/contrib/opensolaris/common/ctf -I/usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../cddl/contrib/opensolaris/lib/libctf/common -I/usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../sys/cddl/contrib/opensolaris/uts/common -DNEED_SOLARIS_BOOLEAN -std=gnu89 -fstack-protector -Wno-pointer-sign -Wno-unknown-pragmas -c /usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../cddl/contrib/opensolaris/common/ctf/ctf_create.c -o ctf_create.po > gzip -cn atrun.8 > atrun.8.gz > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -pg -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -DCTF_OLD_VERSIONS -I/usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../sys/cddl/compat/opensolaris -I/usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../cddl/compat/opensolaris/include -I/usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../cddl/contrib/opensolaris/head -I/usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../cddl/contrib/opensolaris/common/ctf -I/usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../cddl/contrib/opensolaris/lib/libctf/common -I/usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../sys/cddl/contrib/opensolaris/uts/common -DNEED_SOLARIS_BOOLEAN -std=gnu89 -fstack-protector -Wno-pointer-sign -Wno-unknown-pragmas -c /usr/src/cddl/lib/libctf/../../../cddl/contrib/opensolaris/common/ctf/ctf_decl.c -o ctf_decl.po > /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -c -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -DIN_GCC -DIN_LIBGCC2 -D__GCC_FLOAT_NOT_NEEDED -DHAVE_GTHR_DEFAULT -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../../contrib/gcclibs/include -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../../contrib/gcc/config -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../../contrib/gcc -I. -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../usr.bin/cc/cc_tools -std=gnu99 -fvisibility=hidden -DHIDE_EXPORTS -p -fPIC -fexceptions -D__GLIBC__=3 -DElfW=__ElfN -o unwind-sjlj.po /usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../../contrib/gcc/unwind-sjlj.c > /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -c -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -DIN_GCC -DIN_LIBGCC2 -D__GCC_FLOAT_NOT_NEEDED -DHAVE_GTHR_DEFAULT -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../../contrib/gcclibs/include -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../../contrib/gcc/config -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../../contrib/gcc -I. -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../usr.bin/cc/cc_tools -std=gnu99 -fvisibility=hidden -DHIDE_EXPORTS -p -fPIC -fexceptions -D__GLIBC__=3 -DElfW=__ElfN -o gthr-gnat.po /usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../../contrib/gcc/gthr-gnat.c > /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -c -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -DIN_GCC -DIN_LIBGCC2 -D__GCC_FLOAT_NOT_NEEDED -DHAVE_GTHR_DEFAULT -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../../contrib/gcclibs/include -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../../contrib/gcc/config -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../../contrib/gcc -I. -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../usr.bin/cc/cc_tools -std=gnu99 -fvisibility=hidden -DHIDE_EXPORTS -p -fPIC -fexceptions -D__GLIBC__=3 -DElfW=__ElfN -o unwind-c.po /usr/src/gnu/lib/libgcc/../../../contrib/gcc/unwind-c.c > ===> kerberos5/lib/libasn1 (all) > ... > > ... > /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -pg -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libreadline/readline/.. -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libreadline/readline/../../../../contrib/libreadline -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DRL_LIBRARY_VERSION='"5.2"' -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -c /usr/src/gnu/lib/libreadline/readline/../../../../contrib/libreadline/macro.c -o macro.po > /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -pg -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libasn1/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/asn1 -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libasn1/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/roken -I. -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libasn1/../../include -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -c asn1_RSAPublicKey.c -o asn1_RSAPublicKey.po > /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -DPROF -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -I/usr/src/lib/libc/include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/amd64 -DNLS -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/gdtoa -DINET6 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libc -I/usr/src/lib/libc/resolv -D_ACL_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/tzcode/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DPORTMAP -DDES_BUILTIN -I/usr/src/lib/libc/rpc -DYP -DNS_CACHING -DSYMBOL_VERSIONING -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-pointer-sign -c semget.S -o semget.po > /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -pg -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libreadline/readline/.. -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libreadline/readline/../../../../contrib/libreadline -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DRL_LIBRARY_VERSION='"5.2"' -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -c /usr/src/gnu/lib/libreadline/readline/../../../../contrib/libreadline/input.c -o input.po > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyylex' > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyyin' > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyytext' > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyyerror' > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyylineno' > distcc[33441] ERROR: compile (null) on localhost failed > *** Error code 1 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -DPROF -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -I/usr/src/lib/libc/include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/amd64 -DNLS -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/gdtoa -DINET6 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libc -I/usr/src/lib/libc/resolv -D_ACL_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/tzcode/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DPORTMAP -DDES_BUILTIN -I/usr/src/lib/libc/rpc -DYP -DNS_CACHING -DSYMBOL_VERSIONING -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-pointer-sign -c semop.S -o semop.po > /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -pg -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libreadline/readline/.. -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libreadline/readline/../../../../contrib/libreadline -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DRL_LIBRARY_VERSION='"5.2"' -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -c /usr/src/gnu/lib/libreadline/readline/../../../../contrib/libreadline/callback.c -o callback.po > /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -DPROF -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -I/usr/src/lib/libc/include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/amd64 -DNLS -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/gdtoa -DINET6 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libc -I/usr/src/lib/libc/resolv -D_ACL_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/tzcode/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DPORTMAP -DDES_BUILTIN -I/usr/src/lib/libc/rpc -DYP -DNS_CACHING -DSYMBOL_VERSIONING -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-pointer-sign -c freebsd7_msgctl.S -o freebsd7_msgctl.po > ... > > ... > /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -pg -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -I/usr/src/lib/libc/include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/amd64 -DNLS -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/gdtoa -DINET6 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libc -I/usr/src/lib/libc/resolv -D_ACL_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/tzcode/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DPORTMAP -DDES_BUILTIN -I/usr/src/lib/libc/rpc -DYP -DNS_CACHING -DSYMBOL_VERSIONING -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-pointer-sign -c /usr/src/lib/libc/gen/getusershell.c -o getusershell.po > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyylex' > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyyin' > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyytext' > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyyerror' > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyylineno' > distcc[36177] ERROR: compile (null) on localhost failed > *** Error code 1 > 1 error > /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -pg -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -I/usr/src/lib/libc/include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/amd64 -DNLS -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/gdtoa -DINET6 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libc -I/usr/src/lib/libc/resolv -D_ACL_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/tzcode/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DPORTMAP -DDES_BUILTIN -I/usr/src/lib/libc/rpc -DYP -DNS_CACHING -DSYMBOL_VERSIONING -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-pointer-sign -c /usr/src/lib/libc/gen/getvfsbyname.c -o getvfsbyname.po > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -pg -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -I/usr/src/lib/libc/include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/amd64 -DNLS -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/gdtoa -DINET6 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libc -I/usr/src/lib/libc/resolv -D_ACL_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/tzcode/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DPORTMAP -DDES_BUILTIN -I/usr/src/lib/libc/rpc -DYP -DNS_CACHING -DSYMBOL_VERSIONING -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-pointer-sign -c /usr/src/lib/libc/gen/glob.c -o glob.po > /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -pg -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -I/usr/src/lib/libc/include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/amd64 -DNLS -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/gdtoa -DINET6 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libc -I/usr/src/lib/libc/resolv -D_ACL_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/tzcode/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DPORTMAP -DDES_BUILTIN -I/usr/src/lib/libc/rpc -DYP -DNS_CACHING -DSYMBOL_VERSIONING -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-pointer-sign -c /usr/src/lib/libc/gen/initgroups.c -o initgroups.po > ... > > ... > /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -pg -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -I/usr/src/lib/libc/include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/amd64 -DNLS -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/gdtoa -DINET6 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libc -I/usr/src/lib/libc/resolv -D_ACL_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/tzcode/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DPORTMAP -DDES_BUILTIN -I/usr/src/lib/libc/rpc -DYP -DNS_CACHING -DSYMBOL_VERSIONING -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-pointer-sign -c /usr/src/lib/libc/rpc/svc_simple.c -o svc_simple.po > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyylex' > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyyin' > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyytext' > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyyerror' > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `_nsyylineno' > distcc[37994] ERROR: compile (null) on localhost failed > *** Error code 1 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > /usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc -pg -O2 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -pipe -march=core2 -I/usr/src/lib/libc/include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../include -I/usr/src/lib/libc/amd64 -DNLS -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/gdtoa -DINET6 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libc -I/usr/src/lib/libc/resolv -D_ACL_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc/../../contrib/tzcode/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/stdtime -I/usr/src/lib/libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DPORTMAP -DDES_BUILTIN -I/usr/src/lib/libc/rpc -DYP -DNS_CACHING -DSYMBOL_VERSIONING -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-pointer-sign -c /usr/src/lib/libc/rpc/svc_vc.c -o svc_vc.po > ... > > ... > ===> lib/clang/libllvmx86instprinter (all) > ===> lib/clang/libllvmx86utils (all) > ===> lib/clang/include (all) > 6 errors > *** Error code 2 > *** Error code 2 > > Stop in /usr/src. > ... > > > Someone have any idea what is that? > > Thanks! > There was a period when there was a bug in dev/std{in,err,out}, which amongst other things made it impossible to complete a buildworld. Compile a new kernel (past r224842), boot to that kernel and rebuild world, that should work. For details see UPDATING r224875. HTH! -- Niclas Zeising From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 18:15:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9578F1065698; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:15:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fidaj@ukr.net) Received: from fsm2.ukr.net (fsm2.ukr.net [195.214.192.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6728FC19; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:15:58 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ukr.net; s=fsm; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=GJECcNl75ndvDaRXqyXapOM+I4PnqKgCbFDynlks1Zk=; b=Pfk3ht8VFhLtV0StsmfffkQA7Z5agT2IrZ7yZNf5y9GjTbTF/ZiU1EipRPoPZvVTL9rzkR3T9XXxnNJ9mQlebP3qrzd+BmedG8PAS73LWbH7zJuNH0Cw4d/d3739n2muHCeOYqKm/aMyOA88AsNB3dG/LHpbAQSdxoSK9exQ0SA=; Received: from [178.137.138.222] (helo=nonamehost.) by fsm2.ukr.net with esmtps ID 1Qt1hc-000L2Y-Sq ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:15:56 +0300 Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:15:56 +0300 From: Ivan Klymenko To: Niclas Zeising Message-ID: <20110815211556.4553e850@nonamehost.> In-Reply-To: <4E496193.3090008@gmail.com> References: <4e495a09.02be960a.01b4.ffff84a6SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <4E496193.3090008@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Buildworld failure after update r224806 to r224886 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:15:58 -0000 =D0=92 Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:12:35 +0200 Niclas Zeising =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > > ... > >=20 > >=20 > > Someone have any idea what is that? > >=20 > > Thanks! > > >=20 > There was a period when there was a bug in dev/std{in,err,out}, which > amongst other things made it impossible to complete a buildworld. > Compile a new kernel (past r224842), boot to that kernel and rebuild > world, that should work. For details see UPDATING r224875. > HTH! >=20 Ooops! Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 18:57:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5811065670 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:57:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC57B8FC15 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p7FIvqYe038073; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:57:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:57:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201108151857.p7FIvqYe038073@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: alexus@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Cc: Subject: Re: looking for a spammer/virii/malware .... on my system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:57:09 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 15 12:37:33 2011 > Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:05:15 -0400 > From: alexus > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: looking for a spammer/virii/malware .... on my system > > I received a SPAM complain from my ISP and we're trying to figure out > what/where the problem is... > > from headers: > > Received: from 64.237.55.83 by webmail.west.cox.net; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 > 18:43:41 -0400 > > 64.237.55.83 is an IP that resides on my box, obviously I'm not > sending out any spam intentionally, so maybe some of my users do and > not necessarily intentionally either could be a virus or malware or > whatever doesn't really matter, I just want to stop it. > > so just for now I did this > > su-3.2# ipfw add 666 deny ip from any to webmail.west.cox.net via any > 00666 deny ip from any to 68.6.19.1 > su-3.2# > > what else can I do to find it on my system who's trying to connect to > remote webmail.west.cox.net ? > > > -- > http://alexus.org/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 19:35:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A714F1065670 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:35:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexus@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f45.google.com (mail-pz0-f45.google.com [209.85.210.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F488FC1B for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33so5738226pzk.18 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:35:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2ziJOAhzQkJGtDF2QtpkEwdfOr4XVTP0+aXTTXOHOnE=; b=np+ai5eUqfXC7nHdiHjnWeLbkmJ15UlKDrrEz+43vtP+MtkjLswIW3GKlxeeCG6Zxa g9taYnhcExr+lHQYRMG6pxiJSoDf2xAwydYSWjms7wwtLHnYfJcBiziN6q1w5cFNxXo4 Gnh7O8OjciHglsEsf0VA3pLb1klNGpaN7QqWY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.248.36 with SMTP id v36mr2111319wfh.414.1313436932849; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.60.97 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:35:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201108151857.p7FIvqYe038073@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <201108151857.p7FIvqYe038073@mail.r-bonomi.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:35:32 -0400 Message-ID: From: alexus To: Robert Bonomi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looking for a spammer/virii/malware .... on my system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:35:33 -0000 Robert Bonomi: I didn't received anything from you other then part of my own email... On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Robert Bonomi w= rote: >> From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org =C2=A0Mon Aug 15 12:37:33 2011 >> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:05:15 -0400 >> From: alexus >> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: looking for a spammer/virii/malware .... on my system >> >> I received a SPAM complain from my ISP and we're trying to figure out >> what/where the problem is... >> >> from headers: >> >> Received: from 64.237.55.83 by webmail.west.cox.net; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 >> 18:43:41 -0400 >> >> 64.237.55.83 is an IP that resides on my box, obviously I'm not >> sending out any spam intentionally, so maybe some of my users do and >> not necessarily intentionally either could be a virus or malware or >> whatever doesn't really matter, I just want to stop it. >> >> so just for now I did this >> >> su-3.2# ipfw add 666 deny ip from any to webmail.west.cox.net via any >> 00666 deny ip from any to 68.6.19.1 >> su-3.2# >> >> what else can I do to find it on my system who's trying to connect to >> remote webmail.west.cox.net ? >> >> >> -- >> http://alexus.org/ >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.= org" >> > --=20 http://alexus.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 19:36:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 303241065678 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:36:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from notification+F34709933@netlogmail.com) Received: from mx01-2.netlogmail.com (mx01-2.netlogmail.com [193.164.158.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B038FC16 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:36:47 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=netlogmail.com; s=netlog; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=netlogmail.com; t=1313436824; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=moxXfhBOD+I6lm8D0saj/KIUj2Q=; b=ne9sj07ReiUF1F1C4AY3YkVYG1MS3xRMMpl2MvITlDsKsKE2/AdaJ8WauPiYeiXb D1gdokGTgUCI+b8xPnjOs3ql/MEx0fyMIsRQFX8Rffq1s9kuTsu3mfTLv7roIvVm GyD9R8sVJCio0CfesoU/OL5KTGKn4weTVcpah2aPm7k=; DomainKey-Signature: q=dns; a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; s=netlog; d=netlogmail.com; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Sender:Subject:Date:X-MM-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZSU2wwx96vimWe+kA04apX3a7Sg7e8xuN+Hk0rjNhV/pwJuwOacwIeVu49TOcVkC ER1Sq4DdXE3DFQub9uNeEYtdd5oAGzEoYB7XDrhaavhrRcKpYWpKiE20VMQKgaDm hstP+X1rLdPyNMAOJ4fYjXhGf3GhdKaqCE2f00c3CRk= Received: from [192.168.3.53] ([192.168.3.53:49042] helo=web) by mx19.netlogmail.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.0.26.37820 r(37820)) with ESMTP id 17/75-31100-894794E4; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:33:44 +0000 Message-ID: <17.75.31100.894794E4@mail03> From: Netlog To: Elias Shashati Sender: notification+F34709933@netlogmail.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:36:46 +0200 X-MM-ID: -3aWQ9RjM0NzA5OTMzLHR5cGU9MyxkaXN0cm89ZW4sZGlzdHJvaWQ9MjEyNjM2ODUzOSxkYXRlPTEzMTM0MzcwMDYsc3VidHlwZT0xLHZlcnNpb249Nyxjdj12Ni4wMCx1aWQ9MTU3MzYwOTQxLG1pZD0wLGl0PWIKCQk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: amalia kecskes wants to be your friend. 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Belgium BE0859635972. abuse-en@netlog.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 20:06:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CD5106564A for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:06:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC298FC08 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.yuri.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7FK62eP048049 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:06:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <4E497C2A.4060403@rawbw.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:06:02 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110716 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Group permissions are broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:06:03 -0000 User john is a member of both webcamd and vboxusers: # grep john /etc/group webcamd:*:145:john vboxusers:*:920:john When the file /tmp/my-test is owned by webcamd, user john can touch it ok: $ ls -l /tmp/my-test ; touch /tmp/my-test -rw-rw---- 1 vboxusers vboxusers 0 Aug 15 12:54 /tmp/my-test But when /tmp/my-test is owned by webcamd, user john gets an error: $ ls -l /tmp/my-test ; touch /tmp/my-test -rw-rw---- 1 webcamd webcamd 0 Aug 15 13:02 /tmp/my-test touch: /tmp/my-test: Permission denied Why does this error occur? Two groups seem identical. Just different group ids. Filesystem is UFS: /dev/ad10s1a on / (ufs, NFS exported, local) Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 20:09:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1814106566C for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:09:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout030.mac.com (asmtpout030.mac.com [17.148.16.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A6AE8FC12 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:09:47 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp030.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LPZ008VPJZLN540@asmtp030.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:09:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-08-15_05:2011-08-15, 2011-08-15, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1108150236 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <4E497C2A.4060403@rawbw.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:09:21 -0700 Message-id: <2443D32F-0D25-4A20-B76C-FC3B41A3541B@mac.com> References: <4E497C2A.4060403@rawbw.com> To: Yuri X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Group permissions are broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:09:47 -0000 Hi-- On Aug 15, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Yuri wrote: > Why does this error occur? Two groups seem identical. Just different group ids. > > Filesystem is UFS: /dev/ad10s1a on / (ufs, NFS exported, local) How many groups is user john in? There's a limit of MAXGROUPS = 16. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 20:10:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5960A106566B for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:10:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email2.allantgroup.com (email2.emsphone.com [199.67.51.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1008FC26 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:10:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email2.allantgroup.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7FKAoaI078936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:10:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7FKAoA2079631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:10:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id p7FKAoKK079623; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:10:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:10:49 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Yuri Message-ID: <20110815201049.GB8675@dan.emsphone.com> References: <4E497C2A.4060403@rawbw.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E497C2A.4060403@rawbw.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.2 at email2.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (email2.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:10:50 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 199.67.51.78 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Group permissions are broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:10:51 -0000 In the last episode (Aug 15), Yuri said: > User john is a member of both webcamd and vboxusers: > # grep john /etc/group > webcamd:*:145:john > vboxusers:*:920:john > > When the file /tmp/my-test is owned by webcamd, user john can touch it ok: > $ ls -l /tmp/my-test ; touch /tmp/my-test > -rw-rw---- 1 vboxusers vboxusers 0 Aug 15 12:54 /tmp/my-test > > But when /tmp/my-test is owned by webcamd, user john gets an error: > $ ls -l /tmp/my-test ; touch /tmp/my-test > -rw-rw---- 1 webcamd webcamd 0 Aug 15 13:02 /tmp/my-test > touch: /tmp/my-test: Permission denied > > Why does this error occur? Two groups seem identical. Just different group > ids. > > Filesystem is UFS: /dev/ad10s1a on / (ufs, NFS exported, local) As a sanity check, what is the output of the "groups" command? If you recently edited /etc/group, maybe you need to log out and back in to a credential with the new group list? -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 20:16:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0995D106566C for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:16:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D17938FC0C for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:16:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.yuri.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7FKGLIr050114; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:16:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <4E497E95.3090800@rawbw.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:16:21 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110716 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Swiger References: <4E497C2A.4060403@rawbw.com> <2443D32F-0D25-4A20-B76C-FC3B41A3541B@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <2443D32F-0D25-4A20-B76C-FC3B41A3541B@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Group permissions are broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:16:22 -0000 On 08/15/2011 13:09, Chuck Swiger wrote: > How many groups is user john in? > There's a limit of MAXGROUPS = 16. > > john is a member of only 3 groups, users, webcamd and vboxusers. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 20:38:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0086A106566C for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:38:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD1DE8FC0C for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:38:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd10 with SMTP id 10so3920393gyd.13 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:38:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.143.104 with SMTP id k68mr13837899yhj.65.1313440694827; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.207.38 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:38:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E497C2A.4060403@rawbw.com> References: <4E497C2A.4060403@rawbw.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:38:14 -0700 Message-ID: From: Michael Sierchio To: Yuri Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Group permissions are broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:38:16 -0000 On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Yuri wrote: > User john is a member of both webcamd and vboxusers: > # grep john /etc/group > webcamd:*:145:john > vboxusers:*:920:john > > When the file /tmp/my-test is owned by webcamd, user john can touch it ok= : > $ ls -l /tmp/my-test ; touch =A0/tmp/my-test > -rw-rw---- =A01 vboxusers =A0vboxusers =A00 Aug 15 12:54 /tmp/my-test > > But when /tmp/my-test is owned by webcamd, user john gets an error: > $ ls -l /tmp/my-test ; touch =A0/tmp/my-test > -rw-rw---- =A01 webcamd =A0webcamd =A00 Aug 15 13:02 /tmp/my-test > touch: /tmp/my-test: Permission denied > > Why does this error occur? Two groups seem identical. Just different grou= p > ids. /tmp has the sticky bit set. man 8 sticky From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 21:16:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7351065679 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:16:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B9B8FC17 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so2533532gwb.13 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:15:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.115.19 with SMTP id s19mr4229570anm.89.1313441143435; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.130.20 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:45:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.17.241] In-Reply-To: References: <1313313416.22472.YahooMailClassic@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:45:43 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Poll on server attacks X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:16:00 -0000 On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 4:33 AM, Alejandro Imass wrote: > There you go! How do you actually know if you've had actual breaches > if you don't follow up on the logs and spend actual __hours__ doing > that? How do you know your servers are not root-kitted? I had an > experience with a Linux server once and it was root-kitted for a long > time before we ever noticed. It was only after following up an attack > that was reported to us by another party from our server that we > actually realized that server was compromised. Rethink how you're doing your monitoring. Scanning incoming packets for attacks is tedious because you capture lots of unsuccessful attacks that you can't really do anything about. You'd be better off watching outgoing packets for unusual activity or responses that indicate a successful attack. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 21:28:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51DD106566B for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:28:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B67E88FC19 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.yuri.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7FLSOgm062808; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:28:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <4E498F77.2070707@rawbw.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:28:23 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110716 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Nelson References: <4E497C2A.4060403@rawbw.com> <20110815201049.GB8675@dan.emsphone.com> In-Reply-To: <20110815201049.GB8675@dan.emsphone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Group permissions are broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:28:27 -0000 On 08/15/2011 13:10, Dan Nelson wrote: > As a sanity check, what is the output of the "groups" command? If you > recently edited /etc/group, maybe you need to log out and back in to a > credential with the new group list? $ groups john users webcamd vboxusers $ touch /tmp/my-test touch: /tmp/my-test: Permission denied $ ls -l /tmp/my-test -rw-rw---- 1 webcamd webcamd 0 Aug 15 13:02 /tmp/my-test Puzzle. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 22:47:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 104481065670 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 22:47:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=201aa4ace=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from ip-001.utdallas.edu (ip-001.utdallas.edu [129.110.20.107]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3E3D8FC1B for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 22:47:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Group: None X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ak0JADCbSU6BbgogSmdsb2JhbABBqCABARoGAiQlgUABAQQBOAI/BQsLRiEiFAYBEodwu1SFaF8Eh1+VKYcd X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.67,376,1309755600"; d="scan'208";a="70404080" Received: from zxtm01.utdallas.edu (HELO utd71538.utdallas.edu) ([129.110.10.32]) by ip-001.utdallas.edu with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 15 Aug 2011 17:19:20 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:19:20 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl To: alexus , Chuck Swiger Message-ID: <033753EAA5A5EE53C17333A5@utd71538.utdallas.edu> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looking for a spammer/virii/malware .... on my system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 22:47:57 -0000 --On August 15, 2011 2:04:27 PM -0400 alexus wrote: > I personally leaning towards that these headers are being modified and > that there is no spam leaving my box (I may be wrong of couse) > > here is what I did to come up with that thought.... > > I sent myself an email > The tcpdump command that Chuck gave you is all you need. *If* all traffic exits your network through your box, you will see anything going to port 25 *anywhere*. That should tell you quickly what the problem is, if there is one. -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 23:32:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45CEA1065672; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 23:32:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jimmiejaz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54BA8FC15; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 23:32:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk4 with SMTP id 4so1255305qyk.13 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:32:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1y0E4aPSDC5TbXfoyn38J93eBm+bw1EXqW0oLjewtaQ=; b=QEpixThy0kpNJFEOFWkeoEdCa88Il0qUeKsmyyRvDkugKUTPqUW1nuD/OlYGm5/1en 4rtx+ZhKLMWtm6WSJNO09BfAX3l+ASzBFBWJyoZTqQyjxNGyUZLsBldKwAQ4OOAnCzMP dBgrx+JiKNVUykFyfpIIcbwrwk/c+rCuQQwIw= Received: by 10.229.68.156 with SMTP id v28mr2838785qci.152.1313449787875; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:09:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jimmiejaz.org ([70.51.26.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r3sm4445303qct.39.2011.08.15.16.09.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E49A739.2060803@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:09:45 -0400 From: Jimmie James User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110704 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: x11@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: ATI & libreoffice lock up Xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jimmiejaz@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 23:32:01 -0000 I just noticed this, but I'm pretty sure it's a result of the last ATI driver update, FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #0: Sun Jun 26 08:42:45 EDT 2011 xf86-video-ati-6.14.2 + libreoffice-3.3.3_2 + xorg-7.5.1 = hard lockup, keyboard LEDs work for a bit, can't change to a console, kill X. ssh'ing in, running top shows Xorg at 100% CPU time. Nothing gets printed to the Xorg.0.log xf86-video-vesa-2.3.0_1 + libreoffice-3.3.3_2 + xorg-7.5.1 = works fine. vgapci0@pci0:6:3:0: class=0x030000 card=0x51571002 chip=0x4c571002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'ATI Technologies Inc. / Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.' device = 'Mobility Radeon 7500 (M7 [LW])' class = display subclass = VGA vgapci0: port 0xb800-0xb8ff mem 0xd0000000-0xdfffffff,0xff520000-0xff52ffff irq 19 at device 3.0 on pci6 drm0: on vgapci0 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 00:39:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B2F1065674 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 00:39:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02038FC0C for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 00:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.yuri.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7G0dWoK092928; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:39:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <4E49BC43.3010500@rawbw.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:39:31 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110716 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Nelson References: <4E497C2A.4060403@rawbw.com> <20110815201049.GB8675@dan.emsphone.com> In-Reply-To: <20110815201049.GB8675@dan.emsphone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Group permissions are broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 00:39:36 -0000 On 08/15/2011 13:10, Dan Nelson wrote: > As a sanity check, what is the output of the "groups" command? If you > recently edited /etc/group, maybe you need to log out and back in to a > credential with the new group list? Reboot cured the problem. Is this because some other command should be run to enable /etc/group changes? Is it cached somewhere? Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 01:07:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236161065670; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:07:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C788FC14; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:07:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7G16whq006766; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:06:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p7G16wf7006763; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:06:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:06:58 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Jimmie James In-Reply-To: <4E49A739.2060803@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <4E49A739.2060803@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:06:59 -0600 (MDT) Cc: x11@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ATI & libreoffice lock up Xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:07:01 -0000 On Mon, 15 Aug 2011, Jimmie James wrote: > I just noticed this, but I'm pretty sure it's a result of the last ATI driver > update, > > FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #0: Sun Jun 26 08:42:45 EDT 2011 > > xf86-video-ati-6.14.2 + libreoffice-3.3.3_2 + xorg-7.5.1 = hard lockup, > keyboard LEDs work for a bit, can't change > to a console, kill X. ssh'ing in, running top shows Xorg at 100% CPU time. > Nothing gets printed to the Xorg.0.log > > xf86-video-vesa-2.3.0_1 + libreoffice-3.3.3_2 + xorg-7.5.1 = works fine. > > vgapci0@pci0:6:3:0: class=0x030000 card=0x51571002 chip=0x4c571002 > rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'ATI Technologies Inc. / Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.' > device = 'Mobility Radeon 7500 (M7 [LW])' > class = display > subclass = VGA > vgapci0: port 0xb800-0xb8ff mem > 0xd0000000-0xdfffffff,0xff520000-0xff52ffff irq 19 at device 3.0 on pci6 > drm0: on vgapci0 We've been talking about ATI lockups on the forums: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=25540 It's mystifying to me, since I haven't seen the lockups at all. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 01:34:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E893106564A; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:34:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jimmiejaz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4175C8FC13; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so5773422vws.13 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:34:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YK52zlHqgEqQGWDRpZcgwuN466tU3e9Y99zekU7DF/k=; b=JDRU6MXokUIDYAiYVV6BNWZ3rSmGMWtPvbEaZwpxsj/R+AtabzIPScgD7aA0kR3cWh qfSCAtMjYuKasa3sbAd/UJIlI1rBe+xo6Vy0GtW/A0ikGxaF0hWopMPaFcjICcXrim2o Is5KXPqdhlZNes2EVBJDxJlltW0eW6P5BOC2A= Received: by 10.220.7.145 with SMTP id d17mr674407vcd.121.1313458443456; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jimmiejaz.org ([70.51.26.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z9sm2862781vco.38.2011.08.15.18.34.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E49C904.3070809@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:33:56 -0400 From: Jimmie James User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110704 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block References: <4E49A739.2060803@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: x11@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ATI & libreoffice lock up Xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jimmiejaz@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:34:04 -0000 On 08/15/11 21:06, Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 15 Aug 2011, Jimmie James wrote: > >> I just noticed this, but I'm pretty sure it's a result of the last ATI >> driver update, >> >> FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #0: Sun Jun 26 08:42:45 EDT 2011 >> >> xf86-video-ati-6.14.2 + libreoffice-3.3.3_2 + xorg-7.5.1 = hard >> lockup, keyboard LEDs work for a bit, can't change >> to a console, kill X. ssh'ing in, running top shows Xorg at 100% CPU >> time. Nothing gets printed to the Xorg.0.log >> >> xf86-video-vesa-2.3.0_1 + libreoffice-3.3.3_2 + xorg-7.5.1 = works fine. >> >> vgapci0@pci0:6:3:0: class=0x030000 card=0x51571002 chip=0x4c571002 >> rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'ATI Technologies Inc. / Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.' >> device = 'Mobility Radeon 7500 (M7 [LW])' >> class = display >> subclass = VGA >> vgapci0: port 0xb800-0xb8ff mem >> 0xd0000000-0xdfffffff,0xff520000-0xff52ffff irq 19 at device 3.0 on pci6 >> drm0: on vgapci0 > > We've been talking about ATI lockups on the forums: > http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=25540 > > It's mystifying to me, since I haven't seen the lockups at all. > Thanks for the heads up, replied to the thread there, and will here too. Switching to XAA fixes this lock up for me. However, changing a window size, opening a new app causing flickering of said window. Changing desktops is laggy, and windows from desktop 1 appear for about 5-10 seconds on desktop 2. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 01:36:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B5B0106566B for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:36:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (unknown [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545498FC16 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:36:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p7G1abY9026311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:36:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p7G1abgx026310; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd81 ([192.168.200.81]) by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA01069; Mon, 15 Aug 11 18:32:53 PDT Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:32:44 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: kudzu@tenebras.com Message-Id: <4e4a2b2c.yX3blW9IEVGiJ+Oa%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4E497C2A.4060403@rawbw.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: yuri@rawbw.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Group permissions are broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:36:39 -0000 Michael Sierchio wrote: > On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Yuri wrote: > > User john is a member of both webcamd and vboxusers: > > # grep john /etc/group > > webcamd:*:145:john > > vboxusers:*:920:john > > > > When the file /tmp/my-test is owned by webcamd, user john can > > touch it ok: > > $ ls -l /tmp/my-test ; touch ?/tmp/my-test > > -rw-rw---- ?1 vboxusers ?vboxusers ?0 Aug 15 12:54 /tmp/my-test > > > > But when /tmp/my-test is owned by webcamd, user john gets an > > error: > > $ ls -l /tmp/my-test ; touch ?/tmp/my-test > > -rw-rw---- ?1 webcamd ?webcamd ?0 Aug 15 13:02 /tmp/my-test > > touch: /tmp/my-test: Permission denied > > > > Why does this error occur? Two groups seem identical. Just > > different group ids. > > /tmp has the sticky bit set. man 8 sticky On my 8.1 system, sticky(8) says: A directory whose `sticky bit' is set becomes ... a directory in which the _deletion_ of files is restricted. A file in a sticky directory may only be _removed_ or _renamed_ if ... [emphasis added] Nothing there about the sticky bit changing the permissions required to _overwrite_ a file, which is the subject of the current inquiry. Even if the sticky bit _did_ have some effect on overwriting a file, how would that explain the _different_ behavior of the two cases shown? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 01:50:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C084106566C for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:50:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesbrandongooch@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9361D8FC14 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:50:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwi36 with SMTP id 36so5665897wwi.31 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:50:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zp5dbZP/BtH9mg72sCR/N6a4RwGwGJ93whPG9W6ksfM=; b=cEd40oXr50VJlGG9LDRhsokFZjpkcUS/Yhfl/QAukOnuLf2dl1SWwMAOCcK60d8o2l sWWCuNZ7as/ocSa9o49mceN6GRQdOZYMDIYh53VAslCn6Qr+tSvuAjTwa4r6S4ThBD2a AXe7QgSbs8Gl8Zawsryuep0X+ZCabIpygpD8s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.157.138 with SMTP id o10mr3983122wek.13.1313459414100; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.73.78 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:50:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110628.085426.506761991991297056.hrs@allbsd.org> References: <20110408.165651.757976466932488818.hrs@allbsd.org> <864o3dtsey.fsf@gmail.com> <20110628.085426.506761991991297056.hrs@allbsd.org> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:50:14 -0500 Message-ID: From: Brandon Gooch To: Hiroki Sato Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, inyaoo@gmail.com Subject: Re: Where to download latest FreeBSD snapshots X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:50:16 -0000 On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Hiroki Sato wrote: > Pan Tsu wrote > =A0in <864o3dtsey.fsf@gmail.com>: > > in> Hiroki Sato writes: > in> > in> > Hello, > in> > > in> > dave jones wrote > in> > =A0 in : > in> > > in> > s.> It seems that allbsd.org is up, but I can't find the HEAD snaps= hots, > in> > s.> only RELENG. > in> > s.> Would you like to build HEAD snapshots? Thank you very much. > in> > > in> > =A0Building snapshots of HEAD and RELENG_[67] are temporarily disab= led > in> > =A0because a maintenance work is now in progress. =A0They will be b= ack on > in> > =A0the page in the next week. > in> > in> Are there more places for *daily* HEAD snapshots? I used them a few > in> times to report regressions with a clean environment. > > =A0The HEAD snapshot build is finally getting recovered (currently for > =A0amd64 and i386 only, though). =A0Some hardware failure prevented the > =A0build cluster from working. > > -- Hiroki > Thank you so much for providing this service Hiroki! -Brandon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 02:34:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58EB8106564A for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 02:34:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444478FC0A for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 02:34:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.yuri.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7G2YYFh007861; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:34:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <4E49D739.9080004@rawbw.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:34:33 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110716 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: perryh@pluto.rain.com References: <4E497C2A.4060403@rawbw.com> <4e4a2b2c.yX3blW9IEVGiJ+Oa%perryh@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: <4e4a2b2c.yX3blW9IEVGiJ+Oa%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: kudzu@tenebras.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Group permissions are broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 02:34:35 -0000 On 08/16/2011 01:32, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > On my 8.1 system, sticky(8) says: > > A directory whose `sticky bit' is set becomes ... a directory in > which the_deletion_ of files is restricted. A file in a sticky > directory may only be_removed_ or_renamed_ if ... > > [emphasis added] > > Nothing there about the sticky bit changing the permissions required > to_overwrite_ a file, which is the subject of the current inquiry. > > Even if the sticky bit_did_ have some effect on overwriting a file, > how would that explain the_different_ behavior of the two cases shown? Actually, sticky has nothing to do with this. I originally spotted the problem on one device under /dev/ and later just made an example under tmp. Same behavior was for any other directory. I still can't get why this happened. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 05:02:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F74106564A for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 05:02:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darylXYZ@ci.com.au) Received: from mippet.ci.com.au (mippet.ci.com.au [192.65.182.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CE88FC0A for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 05:02:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mippet.ci.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mippet.ci.com.au (8.14.4/8.14.4/CE101231/cmlga) with ESMTP id p7G4d4fl018159; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:39:05 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from darylXYZ@ci.com.AU) Received: (from daryl@localhost) by mippet.ci.com.au (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p7G4d2uA018150; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:39:02 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from darylXYZ@ci.com.AU) X-Authentication-Warning: mippet.ci.com.au: daryl set sender to darylXYZ@ci.com.AU using -f Sender: daryl@ci.com.AU To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201108100533.p7A5XUI9088601@mippet.ci.com.au> <4E458789.2040406@mahan.org> From: Daryl Sayers Date: 16 Aug 2011 14:39:02 +1000 In-Reply-To: <4E458789.2040406@mahan.org> Message-ID: Lines: 40 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 192.65.182.30 Cc: mahan@mahan.org Subject: Re: kernel Panic not dumping to swap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 05:02:19 -0000 > On 8/9/11 10:33 PM, Daryl Sayers wrote: >> I have a FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE (64bit) system with 4G mem installed. I have >> had a few kernel panics over the last few weeks and would like to capture >> a core dump. I have added the following to /etc/rc.conf >> >> dumpdev="AUTO" >> dumpdir=/var/crash >> >> The /var/crash is a 5G filesystem (with 4.8G free). >> When the machine panics the last 2 lines on the console are something like: >> >> >> Physical memory: 3057 MB >> Dumping 204 MB: 189 173 157 141 125 >> >> >> The system then completely hangs and a hardware rest is required. As the dump >> does not seem to finish I dont get my core dump in /var/cache when the machine >> reboots. >> >> Any ideas?? >> > Daryl, > A couple of questions: > 1) How big is your swap partition? Is it large enough to hold the crash dump? > 2) What type of hardware is this? I know that HP Proliants using the CISS raid > control fail to produce a crashdump and just hangup these boxes. Perhaps > this occurs for other types of hardware? Thanks Patrick. I have an 8G swap that is plenty big enough for the 4G memory. There is nothing special about the hardware. Its an Asus PB5+ mother board using the onboard IDE port with an old Maxtor 120G drive (6Y120P0). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 10:33:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2A7106566C for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:33:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFBF18FC0A for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:33:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkat8 with SMTP id t8so4690695bka.13 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 03:33:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent:x-operating-system; bh=lbci8mJC6LKTwjq4GrdUFfXYi80ipDpWLRfjMx9Nt6Q=; b=qI5HPOO9O7N7xIxHRAy/fRzGUi7C9b1bGGJwSn2F8JTf2h8fG6JoZjZjszL5s+M9M7 UHAoAyb8HHn4TkqpsW2QdnqmHeXzJLnN6u9Xb9/JD/HYqEY6lb+HLa3smUzQUvwC90TN 05Qm3n9aydo/YwW7mp3+j8DTaHKcJ8jDZENr4= Received: by 10.204.233.65 with SMTP id jx1mr301507bkb.55.1313489369340; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 03:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aperturelab ([194.176.96.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y3sm980464bkw.16.2011.08.16.03.09.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 16 Aug 2011 03:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by aperturelab (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:09:23 +0400 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:09:23 +0400 From: Jeff Laine To: Christian Barthel Message-ID: <20110816100923.GA86789@aperturescience.org> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Laine , Christian Barthel , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110805191214.GA19848@kar.user-mode.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110805191214.GA19848@kar.user-mode.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE i386 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alternative windowmanagers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:33:12 -0000 On Fri,05-08-2011 [21:12:14], Christian Barthel wrote: > Hello, > > I read on slashdot that Linus Torvalds moved from Gnome 2.3x to Xfce. It > seems that he isn't thrilled by xfce, but it's far better than Gnome3. > > As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big > mistake. And there are also rumors that Gnome will be Linux only. Maybe, > we will never see Gnome3 under FreeBSD, but this is not a tragedy :) > > I am not very interested in eyecandy: I want a stable and fast wm (less > memory and cpu, quick access to important places), different workspaces, > and it should be configurable with ordinary files. Of course, It must > run under FreeBSD. > > I sniffed into AfterStep, fvwm2 and fluxbox (I don't want to use KDE). I > think, fluxbox is a nice wm and for my future, it will be the default wm > for me. It's also very fast and easy to configure. > > Are there any other window manager worth looking? > > What is your window manager? > > > -- > Christian Barthel Whenever I need simple, fast, neat and bloat-free working environment, I usually go with openbox. Cheers! -- Jeff L. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 04:40:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50FA7106564A for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 04:40:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sfudelancio@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm1-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9DEF58FC08 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 04:40:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2011 04:28:38 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.163] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2011 04:28:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1019.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2011 04:28:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 330213.39957.bm@omp1019.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 54477 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Aug 2011 04:28:38 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1313468918; bh=KRC+vTFtNxA+0UD/3trmKLsdEmOa3Mc8NfkoVy1mNCo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CzUXSw+NOJ69ZN/oWYXFw/GW65LHyBD8u6F0Xhwf/6oYGrwgqVHn0qy09VxSQfawDdE5DDGGAt1xCvdBwbeS41G6OAi2XM5sRVp7oKhasHRSPvAWOdLi1A2uOZxUBxR3bbHcOFbLeo1yY0gsKlqnoGth6YvEsit8D180Hi2SoxI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=n9E1a0DiUiVEvTi/+PIBCGyiaDOsEcmfUNkt/GW81Q6Qu/xhQdugRscT3Ffoktu8vPZ5ux8Eg2jlH9Eyc3HInRfXt/hIaFsafTKr0eU6xOj4+pIaj1ZimwryQ/VM0eWux5OwyqjyfBg1DE+QfGqL38CoJ37e5fqD5bJC/jJ/FR8=; X-YMail-OSG: MfU6gdUVM1kXgsCpwgv3kN2RFnJWWL26FjISCMvnKtEST_h 7ZWd0ovEuc6L6_ctZ6Pk5PDaHXKUOAciiiIDPvF993FBUZB3cj38h.2FmVvr K3gTKk8TqHb6NlpSiQif6kaquYq89T0PuKAf.63dG6cqKVKhcz8pACa234yf 5e8_q1GCT4LrG2FBBcux0l2nl8Fh57LTGKmFZwPG5WOhNoC5XoTt5yVSergz UfiepPF2.atXB.rCTuKsuCXUGe_.ot9pizL60wy5yYUOIMbkb8JcuP5R.pK9 U4Rm1lcj_GmiqlczrhHsMQ3CIGtNJywX6es_FXvvgWXrf7ZbvexPDgYTvxzH s6TBQgRl5V0q4aIS3He1IJH1gtX6ES.PGGw2U.RdTa9eEgSBZFCJOWok0P9U FO8F3PtM- Received: from [187.80.61.42] by web120610.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:28:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.113.313619 Message-ID: <1313468917.53439.YahooMailNeo@web120610.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:28:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Fudelancio Smartel To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:00:10 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: issue on installing FreeBSD-8.2 release i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fudelancio Smartel List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 04:40:52 -0000 =0A=0A=A0 Hey...someone help me! After I have recorded FreeBSD-8.2 i386 on = Windows using Nero6 it shows some contents reminding a floppy not a dvd dis= c like DR/DOS:\A:=0A=0A=A0 I=B4ve downloaded FreeBSD-8.2 r= elease i386 by using a torrent client on Windows and when it boots some mes= sages say that "MSCD01 not found" and so on.=A0 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 05:55:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA5201065670 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 05:55:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andre@drenet.info) Received: from arpnet.drenet.info (arpnet.drenet.info [174.136.104.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A028FC1E for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 05:55:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [10.0.0.5]) by arpnet.drenet.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88EAFF2D1D for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 00:55:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from arpnet.drenet.info ([10.0.0.5]) by localhost (arpnet.drenet.info [10.0.0.5]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 81366-03 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 00:55:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: by arpnet.drenet.info (Postfix, from userid 80) id 367FDF2D1B; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 00:55:51 -0500 (CDT) To: X-PHP-Originating-Script: 0:func.inc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 00:55:51 -0500 From: andre@drenet.info Message-ID: <59770f09cd3a8556b9ab184c17c7a6a2@drenet.info> X-Sender: andre@drenet.info User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:17:13 +0000 Subject: Problem building ImageMagick-nox11 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 05:55:52 -0000 I'm running into the issue below while trying to build ImageMagick-nox11. This is in a jail on FreeBSD 8.2-p2. I've just upgraded perl 5.10.x to 5.12.4 (followed the steps givin in /usr/ports/UPDATING) and this issue occurred while attempting to rebuild all packages depending on perl. Here is the error: gmake[3]: Entering directory `/var/ports/basejail/usr/ports/graphics/ImageMagick-nox11/work/ImageMagick-6.7.0-10/PerlMagick' /usr/local/bin/perl5.12.4 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.12.4/ExtUtils/xsubpp -typemap /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.12.4/ExtUtils/typemap Magick.xs > Magick.xsc && mv Magick.xsc Magick.c Could not find a typemap for C type 'Image::Magick' in Magick.xs, line 2404 gmake[3]: *** [Magick.c] Error 1 gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/var/ports/basejail/usr/ports/graphics/ImageMagick-nox11/work/ImageMagick-6.7.0-10/PerlMagick' gmake[2]: *** [install-exec-perl] Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/var/ports/basejail/usr/ports/graphics/ImageMagick-nox11/work/ImageMagick-6.7.0-10' gmake[1]: *** [install-am] Error 2 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/var/ports/basejail/usr/ports/graphics/ImageMagick-nox11/work/ImageMagick-6.7.0-10' gmake: *** [install] Error 2 *** Error code 2 Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/graphics/ImageMagick-nox11. *** Error code 1 Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/graphics/ImageMagick-nox11. I've seen the error on some very recent (8/11/11) gentoo lists as well so I'm thinking this may be a bug in p5-ExtUtils-ParseXS. (http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-6780342.html) -- Andre Goree andre@drenet.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 10:14:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA2AC106566B for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:14:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Amanda.Lynn@gmx.com) Received: from mailout-eu.gmx.com (mailout-eu.gmx.com [213.165.64.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 286608FC08 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:14:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 Aug 2011 10:14:10 -0000 Received: from luch58.zssm.zp.ua (EHLO [192.168.1.101]) [109.235.11.250] by mail.gmx.com (mp-eu002) with SMTP; 16 Aug 2011 12:14:10 +0200 X-Authenticated: #117420802 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/Z7gZz+TTZOuEEGg5xJC0OxIKR6V3gMNwmHq5rid gAUK4IN+7hRQvc Message-ID: <4E4A42C4.3000600@gmx.com> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:13:24 +0300 From: Amanda Lynn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110808 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:18:29 +0000 Cc: Subject: 'Using the Packages System' international X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Amanda Lynn List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:14:12 -0000 Hi! I am interested in your publication http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/packages-using.html and would like to translate it to my native language (Ukrainian), so Ii can share it with the readers on my blog. For doing that I need your written permission. Of course, I will credit you as an author and your webpage as the source. Certainly, I will be grateful if you do the same when I'll be done with translation. The translation will be posted only on the Web, no print copies are planned. You can contact me by email or phone, you can leave a voice message and I will call you back, if you prefer a call instead of emails. Regards, Amanda Lynn +(360) 488-0303 --- This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 11:27:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA761065670 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:27:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (tunnel490.ipv6.xs4all.nl [IPv6:2001:888:10:1ea::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB938FC16 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:27:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7GBNbod035629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:23:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p7GBNaDI035628; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:23:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:23:35 +0200 From: Ruben de Groot To: Yuri Message-ID: <20110816112335.GA35340@ei.bzerk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ruben de Groot , Yuri , Dan Nelson , FreeBSD Questions References: <4E497C2A.4060403@rawbw.com> <20110815201049.GB8675@dan.emsphone.com> <4E49BC43.3010500@rawbw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E49BC43.3010500@rawbw.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ei.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (ei.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:27:10 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Dan Nelson , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Group permissions are broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:27:28 -0000 On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 05:39:31PM -0700, Yuri typed: > On 08/15/2011 13:10, Dan Nelson wrote: > >As a sanity check, what is the output of the "groups" command? If you > >recently edited /etc/group, maybe you need to log out and back in to a > >credential with the new group list? > > Reboot cured the problem. Reboot is a very rigourous way to log out and back in again. You should have tried that first. > Is this because some other command should be run to enable /etc/group > changes? No. Just loggin out and back in > Is it cached somewhere? No Ruben From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 11:56:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A46BC106566B for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:56:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ashley.wil@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 623888FC18 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:56:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxh11 with SMTP id 11so6081511vxh.13 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 04:56:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xzDnGUxwSUzI22Oaif0PJOQOfSKJkd18/TU6sEKGzws=; b=EIrvyUyvOCBX5pxpm0N/OVmL4sP9BQVQvXjIFGw7dtuxRWDHPfEOuiEJmPVqsdwjS5 bdFhbQHTc9+I5SGqqMLW1+XfhElSpKI2lLaCxONopNzUYXGY2SRBgtZXp5mySlkwYLGR 9R0+de3Jb9KdS3NyQr9G6L9VaBPX/mfWdULP8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.182.6 with SMTP id ea6mr4916870vdc.222.1313494015717; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 04:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.111.10 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 04:26:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E4A42C4.3000600@gmx.com> References: <4E4A42C4.3000600@gmx.com> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:26:55 +1000 Message-ID: From: Ashley Williams To: Amanda Lynn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 'Using the Packages System' international X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:56:36 -0000 Amanda, Have a look at this FAQ for documentation translation: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/translations.ht= ml On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Amanda Lynn wrote: > Hi! > > I am interested in your publication > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/packages-using.= html > =A0and would like to translate it to my native language (Ukrainian), so I= i can > share it with the readers on my blog. For doing that I need your written > permission. Of course, I will credit you as an author and your webpage as > the source. Certainly, I will be grateful if you do the same when I'll be > done with translation. > The translation will be posted only on the Web, no print copies are plann= ed. > You can contact me by email or phone, you can leave a voice message and I > will call you back, if you prefer a call instead of emails. > > Regards, > Amanda Lynn > +(360) 488-0303 > > --- > This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or > proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to > which it is addressed. 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[snip] > Regards, > Amanda Lynn > +(360) 488-0303 Google the phone number. This has cropped up here before iirc - I'm not sure exactly what the scam is, but scam it is. Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 13:09:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C455106566C for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:09:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.t@mail.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.mail.com [74.208.122.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5CA208FC1B for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:09:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 Aug 2011 13:09:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO blazon-pc.runningwild.local) [78.84.102.210] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us010) with SMTP; 16 Aug 2011 09:09:57 -0400 X-Authenticated: #76218138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18eaxtECMoe93oHmnpJ1d7C8wItQJr7SBUoqEmeZy DEkLXzpbG86VWI Message-ID: <4E4A6C4C.302@mail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:10:36 +0300 From: Jeff Tipton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110625 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: devel/pear doesn't install (segfault) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:09:59 -0000 devel/pear doesn't install (segfault) Hi all, When I try to install pear from ports on my server, it spits out a whole bunch of messages like: Preparing installer.................. PHP Deprecated: Assigning the return value of new by reference is deprecated in /go-pear/PEAR/Config.php on line 650 (...) PHP Deprecated: Assigning the return value of new by reference is deprecated in /go-pear/PEAR/Registry.php on line 322 (...) PHP Deprecated: Assigning the return value of new by reference is deprecated in /go-pear/PEAR/Command.php on line 137 (...) PHP Warning: date(): It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. You are *required* to use the date.timezone setting or the date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected 'UTC' for 'UTC/0.0/no DST' instead in /go-pear/PEAR/Registry.php on line 1012 (...) And then ends up like this: PHP Deprecated: Function set_magic_quotes_runtime() is deprecated in /go-pear/PEAR/DependencyDB.php on line 583 install ok: channel://pear.php.net/Console_Getopt-1.2.3 PHP Deprecated: Function set_magic_quotes_runtime() is deprecated in /go-pear/PEAR/Registry.php on line 1140 PHP Deprecated: Function set_magic_quotes_runtime() is deprecated in /go-pear/PEAR/Registry.php on line 1144 Segmentation fault (core dumped) *** Error code 139 Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/devel/pear. *** Error code 1 Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/devel/pear. ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa /tmp/portinstall20110816-14452-1w1lpn0-0 env make reinstall ** Fix the installation problem and try again. ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) ! devel/pear (install error) First, beause the messages start with "PHP Deprecated", I thought it's about my php being outdated. Some extensions really were, so I upgraded them, but nothing changed. I found, on FreeBSD Forums, a thread about "PHP Deprecated" messages, and there the issue was to set open_basedir properly in php.ini. But mine was not set (commented out) -- so, default value (/tmp) which, as they say, doesn't cause problems. Then I tried to install pear on my FreeBSD 8.2 desktop, it again printed all the "PHP Deprecated" messages, but it installed and I even could do "pear upgrade PEAR". Then I tried to install pear from 7-stable packages on my server, pear installed but when I tried to upgrade PEAR: #pear upgrade PEAR Error getting channel info from pear.php.net: No cached content available for "http://pear.php.net/rest/p/packages.xml" Nothing to upgrade Segmentation fault (core dumped) # The server is an ezjail on 7.4-RELEASE. Any ideas of how to get pear installed? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 13:16:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA0B106564A for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:16:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554C68FC1A for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:16:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7GDGhgt009567; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 07:16:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p7GDGhEA009564; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 07:16:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 07:16:43 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Fudelancio Smartel In-Reply-To: <1313468917.53439.YahooMailNeo@web120610.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <1313468917.53439.YahooMailNeo@web120610.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-902635197-351123598-1313500603=:9487" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 16 Aug 2011 07:16:43 -0600 (MDT) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: issue on installing FreeBSD-8.2 release i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:16:44 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---902635197-351123598-1313500603=:9487 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Mon, 15 Aug 2011, Fudelancio Smartel wrote: >   Hey...someone help me! After I have recorded FreeBSD-8.2 i386 on Windows using Nero6 it shows some contents reminding a floppy not a dvd disc like DR/DOS:\A: > >   I´ve downloaded FreeBSD-8.2 release i386 by using a torrent client on Windows and when it boots some messages say that "MSCD01 not found" and so on.  That suggests you're creating the CD the wrong way, with the ISO as a file on the CD. Try right-clicking on the ISO file and look for a "create CD from this image" menu choice. ---902635197-351123598-1313500603=:9487-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 13:31:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14BA8106566B for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:31:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C2F8FC13 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:31:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7GDVgWm005941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:31:50 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p7GDVgWm005941 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1313501511; bh=oTixfmWf5nq1EvMQyp6eShD7D6xdbQkKz/QE+AVOR8c=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4E4A7136.7040203@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20T ue,=2016=20Aug=202011=2014:31:34=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20rv:5.0)=20Gecko/201 10624=20Thunderbird/5.0|MIME-Version:=201.0|To:=20Chuck=20Swiger=2 0|CC:=20Chris=20Brennan=20, =20=0D=0A=20FreeBSD=20Questions=20| Subject:=20Re:=20unprivledged=20users=20(for=20a=20service)|Refere nces:=20<20110815163659.GA22081@gmail.com>=20<238F0CF5-33DC-4F9A-8 8E3-F8356E125573@mac.com>|In-Reply-To:=20<238F0CF5-33DC-4F9A-88E3- F8356E125573@mac.com>|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.2|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60 AE908C|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B= 0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary =3D"------------enig83B3C751BCE091AE19774CD5"; b=IJX6/PaFWbPzZpLQhlZHIhauGT1Q6Xv98DnP4xfAfWQ8qNUQJikY88rrdPAkxx23m 0OrDYZ+BDnxCGfKS3zTQJ8L9Ge7gT8I3MVMiwq3AO/qD/9y2Ucr+Dp2WGq1CwL3NQw LqtWni9pu80FrqfQAukohN0UoxgPjv9pFWDyYGVQ= Message-ID: <4E4A7136.7040203@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:31:34 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Swiger References: <20110815163659.GA22081@gmail.com> <238F0CF5-33DC-4F9A-88E3-F8356E125573@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <238F0CF5-33DC-4F9A-88E3-F8356E125573@mac.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig83B3C751BCE091AE19774CD5" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.2 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: FreeBSD Questions , Chris Brennan Subject: Re: unprivledged users (for a service) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:31:59 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig83B3C751BCE091AE19774CD5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 15/08/2011 17:42, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Aug 15, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Chris Brennan wrote: >> > It's been a while since I've had to do this and the drive that conta= ined=20 >> > all of my notes is dead, along with the backup (I was actually lucky= to=20 >> > recover my home drive before it also failed but my notes were not=20 >> > there). I cannot for the life of me remember how to properly add an = >> > unprivledged user that will only be used for running a specific syst= em=20 >> > service. So it doesn't need a login shell or $HOME. > Add a user and set the shell to /bin/false or perhaps /sbin/nologin; fo= r $HOME set it to /var/empty or /tmp, perhaps. Good advice, except... for this sort of user that exists solely to run various processes, generally it is preferable for them *not* to be able to write to their home directory. Especially if the software concerned is exposed to the internet. The reasoning here is that if there is, say, a buffer overflow attack against your software, then an attacker can remotely inject and run various sorts of shell-code exploits. If they can change arbitrary files in the accounts home directory, then they can relatively simply get a login shell. So, /tmp not a good idea. / is actually a pretty good choice, and similarly /var/empty (which is specifically designed for this sort of thing.) Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig83B3C751BCE091AE19774CD5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5KcT4ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIx4UgCdG7NIKRYkOm6HrPczMPf7u2EE btoAnilSO6Q6XBtYw9Q0dWv1cV8RoRgb =Pp0b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig83B3C751BCE091AE19774CD5-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 14:49:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA213106566C for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:49:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DCF8FC0C for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:49:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd10 with SMTP id 10so4417602gyd.13 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 07:49:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.147.65 with SMTP id m1mr5943601icv.46.1313506155491; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 07:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.231.38.1 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 07:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:49:15 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: E0Egh8t1LT6EfscWMANYsX5h7V4 Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Getting __errno_location when loading Perl XS module on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:49:16 -0000 Hello I'm compiling a proprietary lib on FreeBSD that offers a Perl API via XS. The package comes with an ar archive for Linux 64 but I need to compile it and run it on FreeBSD. FreeBSD make process makes no complaints about the object files in the ar in the make process, and everything makes without an error. The lib compiles fine, but when the dynaloader is loading I get: /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: (undisclosed).so: Undefined symbol "__errno_location" Is this ld-elf complaining that it does not find the symbol in (undisclosed), or is it (undisclosed) not finding the symbol in it's dependencies? I've been trying to learn more about __errno_location but some say it's relates to the pthreads lib, some that it's libm and should be defined in errno.h, but nope, it's not defined in any .h in Linux or FreeBSD! As you can see, the lib build fine and satisfies all dependencies. Shouldn't the undefined symbol pop-up during linking of the shared object (during creation) instead than on dynamic linking? ldd blib/arch/auto/.so blib/arch/auto/Gateway/Gateway.so: libcurl.so.6 => /usr/local/lib/libcurl.so.6 (0x800c00000) libssl.so.6 => /usr/lib/libssl.so.6 (0x800d54000) libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0x800ea7000) libm.so.5 => /lib/libm.so.5 (0x8010b7000) libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x8011d7000) libc.so.7 => /lib/libc.so.7 (0x800647000) libcrypto.so.6 => /lib/libcrypto.so.6 (0x8012e5000) libz.so.5 => /lib/libz.so.5 (0x801585000) [download] Thanks in advance for any comments. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 15:23:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254081065673 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:23:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.t@mail.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.mail.com [74.208.122.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D85558FC0C for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:23:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 Aug 2011 15:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO blazon-pc.runningwild.local) [78.84.102.210] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us009) with SMTP; 16 Aug 2011 11:23:55 -0400 X-Authenticated: #76218138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18RWzFMJuURY4Ddiw6wmq9KgHzzPpTw+gdtbbfQeQ D2SHagbEvTRuyU Message-ID: <4E4A8BB1.2030908@mail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:24:33 +0300 From: Jeff Tipton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110625 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4E4A6C4C.302@mail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E4A6C4C.302@mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: devel/pear doesn't install (segfault) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:23:57 -0000 On 08/16/11 16:10, Jeff Tipton wrote: > devel/pear doesn't install (segfault) > > Hi all, > > When I try to install pear from ports on my server, it spits out a > whole bunch of messages like: > > Preparing installer.................. > PHP Deprecated: Assigning the return value of new by reference is > deprecated in /go-pear/PEAR/Config.php on line 650 > (...) > PHP Deprecated: Assigning the return value of new by reference is > deprecated in /go-pear/PEAR/Registry.php on line 322 > (...) > PHP Deprecated: Assigning the return value of new by reference is > deprecated in /go-pear/PEAR/Command.php on line 137 > (...) > PHP Warning: date(): It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone > settings. You are *required* to use the date.timezone setting or the > date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those > methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely > misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected 'UTC' for 'UTC/0.0/no > DST' instead in /go-pear/PEAR/Registry.php on line 1012 > (...) > > And then ends up like this: > > PHP Deprecated: Function set_magic_quotes_runtime() is deprecated in > /go-pear/PEAR/DependencyDB.php on line 583 > install ok: channel://pear.php.net/Console_Getopt-1.2.3 > PHP Deprecated: Function set_magic_quotes_runtime() is deprecated in > /go-pear/PEAR/Registry.php on line 1140 > PHP Deprecated: Function set_magic_quotes_runtime() is deprecated in > /go-pear/PEAR/Registry.php on line 1144 > Segmentation fault (core dumped) > *** Error code 139 > > Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/devel/pear. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/devel/pear. > ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa > /tmp/portinstall20110816-14452-1w1lpn0-0 env make reinstall > ** Fix the installation problem and try again. > ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) > ! devel/pear (install error) > > First, beause the messages start with "PHP Deprecated", I thought it's > about my php being outdated. Some extensions really were, so I > upgraded them, but nothing changed. > > I found, on FreeBSD Forums, a thread about "PHP Deprecated" messages, > and there the issue was to set open_basedir properly in php.ini. But > mine was not set (commented out) -- so, default value (/tmp) which, as > they say, doesn't cause problems. > > Then I tried to install pear on my FreeBSD 8.2 desktop, it again > printed all the "PHP Deprecated" messages, but it installed and I even > could do "pear upgrade PEAR". > > Then I tried to install pear from 7-stable packages on my server, pear > installed but when I tried to upgrade PEAR: > > #pear upgrade PEAR > Error getting channel info from pear.php.net: No cached content > available for "http://pear.php.net/rest/p/packages.xml" > Nothing to upgrade > Segmentation fault (core dumped) > # > The server is an ezjail on 7.4-RELEASE. > > Any ideas of how to get pear installed? Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I just tried to recompile php5 with DEBUG enabled as someone told this helped him here: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2006-July/033794.html Strange it seemed to him, but it also helped me. When I reinstalled pear after this, it rebuilt textproc/php5-xml and asked me to deinstall/reinstall that port first which it didn't do before. Now pear seems to work (installed, upgraded via its channel). Hope it won't trouble me anymore, don't know whether there is any issue with pear's port. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 17:04:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864A7106564A for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 17:04:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hasse@thorshammare.org) Received: from smtprelay-b12.telenor.se (smtprelay-b12.telenor.se [62.127.194.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116798FC14 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 17:04:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ipb4.telenor.se (ipb4.telenor.se [195.54.127.167]) by smtprelay-b12.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3692C364 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:47:11 +0200 (CEST) X-SENDER-IP: [83.227.225.121] X-LISTENER: [smtp.bredband.net] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AghAAKmeSk5T4+F5PGdsb2JhbAA+A5pWjWgLAQEBATcygUABAQEBAwEBAQUgJggYCw0DAhYCCScHGQ4BBQQIAwcDEQEBBAEHBwQBCAISBIdRArlkg0GDBwSHMIlUkwU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.68,234,1312149600"; d="scan'208";a="1753474319" Received: from ua-83-227-225-121.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO odin.thorshammare.org) ([83.227.225.121]) by ipb4.telenor.se with ESMTP; 16 Aug 2011 18:47:07 +0200 Received: from Obah (obah [192.168.1.10]) by odin.thorshammare.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7GC9pQQ046518; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:09:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hasse@thorshammare.org) From: "Hasse Hansson" To: "'Ashley Williams'" , "'Amanda Lynn'" References: <4E4A42C4.3000600@gmx.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:09:41 +0200 Organization: The Valhalla Project Message-ID: <000701cc5c0d$60ab96d0$2202c470$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcxcC8I70r4zmP5lQVCsyry+ihwXNQAAVZ4w Content-Language: sv X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_40 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on odin.thorshammare.org Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: SV: 'Using the Packages System' international X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 17:04:27 -0000 Do a "google" on +(360) 488-0303 before anybody waste more time on this. /hasse -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] P=E5 vegne af Ashley = Williams Sendt: den 16 augusti 2011 13:27 Til: Amanda Lynn Cc: questions@freebsd.org Emne: Re: 'Using the Packages System' international Amanda, Have a look at this FAQ for documentation translation: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/translations.= htm l On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Amanda Lynn = wrote: > Hi! > > I am interested in your publication > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/packages-using.= htm l > =A0and would like to translate it to my native language (Ukrainian), = so Ii can > share it with the readers on my blog. For doing that I need your = written > permission. Of course, I will credit you as an author and your webpage = as > the source. Certainly, I will be grateful if you do the same when I'll = be > done with translation. > The translation will be posted only on the Web, no print copies are planned. > You can contact me by email or phone, you can leave a voice message = and I > will call you back, if you prefer a call instead of emails. > > Regards, > Amanda Lynn > +(360) 488-0303 > > --- > This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or > proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity = to > which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the = intended > recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby = notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is = prohibited. 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For doing that I need your = written > permission. Of course, I will credit you as an author and your webpage = as > the source. Certainly, I will be grateful if you do the same when I'll = be > done with translation. > The translation will be posted only on the Web, no print copies are planned. > You can contact me by email or phone, you can leave a voice message = and I > will call you back, if you prefer a call instead of emails. > > Regards, > Amanda Lynn > +(360) 488-0303 > > --- > This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or > proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity = to > which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the = intended > recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby = notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is = prohibited. If > you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying > to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 17:06:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBB9106566C for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 17:06:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.t@mail.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.mail.com [74.208.122.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6848A8FC20 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 17:06:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 Aug 2011 17:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO blazon-pc.runningwild.local) [78.84.102.210] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us011) with SMTP; 16 Aug 2011 13:06:24 -0400 X-Authenticated: #76218138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX183999Pr4w3rzQX5OWFdaz0EOyea6WJlzQBze2zIm JzLBuOQ7dy/Bim Message-ID: <4E4AA3B7.9070704@mail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:07:03 +0300 From: Jeff Tipton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110625 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4E4A6C4C.302@mail.com> <4E4A8BB1.2030908@mail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E4A8BB1.2030908@mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: devel/pear doesn't install (segfault) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 17:06:26 -0000 On 08/16/11 18:24, Jeff Tipton wrote: > On 08/16/11 16:10, Jeff Tipton wrote: >> devel/pear doesn't install (segfault) >> >> Hi all, >> >> When I try to install pear from ports on my server, it spits out a >> whole bunch of messages like: >> >> Preparing installer.................. >> PHP Deprecated: Assigning the return value of new by reference is >> deprecated in /go-pear/PEAR/Config.php on line 650 >> (...) >> PHP Deprecated: Assigning the return value of new by reference is >> deprecated in /go-pear/PEAR/Registry.php on line 322 >> (...) >> PHP Deprecated: Assigning the return value of new by reference is >> deprecated in /go-pear/PEAR/Command.php on line 137 >> (...) >> PHP Warning: date(): It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone >> settings. You are *required* to use the date.timezone setting or the >> date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those >> methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely >> misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected 'UTC' for 'UTC/0.0/no >> DST' instead in /go-pear/PEAR/Registry.php on line 1012 >> (...) >> >> And then ends up like this: >> >> PHP Deprecated: Function set_magic_quotes_runtime() is deprecated in >> /go-pear/PEAR/DependencyDB.php on line 583 >> install ok: channel://pear.php.net/Console_Getopt-1.2.3 >> PHP Deprecated: Function set_magic_quotes_runtime() is deprecated in >> /go-pear/PEAR/Registry.php on line 1140 >> PHP Deprecated: Function set_magic_quotes_runtime() is deprecated in >> /go-pear/PEAR/Registry.php on line 1144 >> Segmentation fault (core dumped) >> *** Error code 139 >> >> Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/devel/pear. >> *** Error code 1 >> >> Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/devel/pear. >> ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa >> /tmp/portinstall20110816-14452-1w1lpn0-0 env make reinstall >> ** Fix the installation problem and try again. >> ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) >> ! devel/pear (install error) >> >> First, beause the messages start with "PHP Deprecated", I thought >> it's about my php being outdated. Some extensions really were, so I >> upgraded them, but nothing changed. >> >> I found, on FreeBSD Forums, a thread about "PHP Deprecated" messages, >> and there the issue was to set open_basedir properly in php.ini. But >> mine was not set (commented out) -- so, default value (/tmp) which, >> as they say, doesn't cause problems. >> >> Then I tried to install pear on my FreeBSD 8.2 desktop, it again >> printed all the "PHP Deprecated" messages, but it installed and I >> even could do "pear upgrade PEAR". >> >> Then I tried to install pear from 7-stable packages on my server, >> pear installed but when I tried to upgrade PEAR: >> >> #pear upgrade PEAR >> Error getting channel info from pear.php.net: No cached content >> available for "http://pear.php.net/rest/p/packages.xml" >> Nothing to upgrade >> Segmentation fault (core dumped) >> # >> The server is an ezjail on 7.4-RELEASE. >> >> Any ideas of how to get pear installed? Thanks. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I just tried to recompile php5 with DEBUG enabled as someone told this > helped him here: > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2006-July/033794.html > > Strange it seemed to him, but it also helped me. When I reinstalled > pear after this, it rebuilt textproc/php5-xml and asked me to > deinstall/reinstall that port first which it didn't do before. Now > pear seems to work (installed, upgraded via its channel). Hope it > won't trouble me anymore, don't know whether there is any issue with > pear's port. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" No, it doesn't go much further... When i try "pear install horde/horde_role", it can't verify the downloaded package and complains that php must have been compiled with "--disable-tokenizer". But tokenizer is a separete package, and is installed on my system, and isn't mentioned in UPDATING as others that are no longer supplied as extension but as compiled in the core. Tried to rebuild php without debug, and then "pear install horde/horde_role" complains that there is no XML extension, but it's there -- as a registered package, and in the /usr/local/etc/php/extensions.ini # ls /var/db/pkg | grep xml libxml2-2.7.8_1 php5-simplexml-5.3.6_1 php5-xml-5.3.6_1 php5-xmlreader-5.3.6_1 php5-xmlwriter-5.3.6_1 # # cat /usr/local/etc/php/extensions.ini extension=intl.so extension=ldap.so extension=pspell.so extension=sqlite3.so extension=tidy.so extension=imagick.so extension=calendar.so extension=bz2.so extension=sockets.so extension=json.so extension=mysqli.so extension=hash.so extension=filter.so extension=mysql.so extension=zlib.so extension=gd.so extension=dom.so extension=xmlreader.so extension=xmlwriter.so extension=simplexml.so extension=gettext.so extension=pdo.so extension=zip.so extension=imap.so extension=openssl.so extension=posix.so extension=pdo_sqlite.so extension=ctype.so extension=curl.so extension=odbc.so extension=fileinfo.so extension=session.so extension=mbstring.so extension=tokenizer.so extension=pdo_mysql.so extension=iconv.so extension=snmp.so extension=xml.so # From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 18:37:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AFC9106566B for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:37:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.t@mail.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.mail.com [74.208.122.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CBE7C8FC0A for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:37:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 Aug 2011 18:37:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO blazon-pc.runningwild.local) [78.84.102.210] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us010) with SMTP; 16 Aug 2011 14:37:49 -0400 X-Authenticated: #76218138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX187kcctwL47tStGbCDuuhXgvP+vbYB6RDrtXONeqB bd8p2eG/J6v0nn Message-ID: <4E4AB924.2040800@mail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:38:28 +0300 From: Jeff Tipton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110625 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4E4A6C4C.302@mail.com> <4E4A8BB1.2030908@mail.com> <4E4AA3B7.9070704@mail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E4AA3B7.9070704@mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: devel/pear doesn't install (segfault) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:37:51 -0000 On 08/16/11 20:07, Jeff Tipton wrote: > On 08/16/11 18:24, Jeff Tipton wrote: >> On 08/16/11 16:10, Jeff Tipton wrote: >>> devel/pear doesn't install (segfault) >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> When I try to install pear from ports on my server, it spits out a >>> whole bunch of messages like: >>> >>> Preparing installer.................. >>> PHP Deprecated: Assigning the return value of new by reference is >>> deprecated in /go-pear/PEAR/Config.php on line 650 >>> (...) >>> PHP Deprecated: Assigning the return value of new by reference is >>> deprecated in /go-pear/PEAR/Registry.php on line 322 >>> (...) >>> PHP Deprecated: Assigning the return value of new by reference is >>> deprecated in /go-pear/PEAR/Command.php on line 137 >>> (...) >>> PHP Warning: date(): It is not safe to rely on the system's >>> timezone settings. You are *required* to use the date.timezone >>> setting or the date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you >>> used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, >>> you most likely misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected >>> 'UTC' for 'UTC/0.0/no DST' instead in /go-pear/PEAR/Registry.php on >>> line 1012 >>> (...) >>> >>> And then ends up like this: >>> >>> PHP Deprecated: Function set_magic_quotes_runtime() is deprecated >>> in /go-pear/PEAR/DependencyDB.php on line 583 >>> install ok: channel://pear.php.net/Console_Getopt-1.2.3 >>> PHP Deprecated: Function set_magic_quotes_runtime() is deprecated >>> in /go-pear/PEAR/Registry.php on line 1140 >>> PHP Deprecated: Function set_magic_quotes_runtime() is deprecated >>> in /go-pear/PEAR/Registry.php on line 1144 >>> Segmentation fault (core dumped) >>> *** Error code 139 >>> >>> Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/devel/pear. >>> *** Error code 1 >>> >>> Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/devel/pear. >>> ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa >>> /tmp/portinstall20110816-14452-1w1lpn0-0 env make reinstall >>> ** Fix the installation problem and try again. >>> ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) >>> ! devel/pear (install error) >>> >>> First, beause the messages start with "PHP Deprecated", I thought >>> it's about my php being outdated. Some extensions really were, so I >>> upgraded them, but nothing changed. >>> >>> I found, on FreeBSD Forums, a thread about "PHP Deprecated" >>> messages, and there the issue was to set open_basedir properly in >>> php.ini. But mine was not set (commented out) -- so, default value >>> (/tmp) which, as they say, doesn't cause problems. >>> >>> Then I tried to install pear on my FreeBSD 8.2 desktop, it again >>> printed all the "PHP Deprecated" messages, but it installed and I >>> even could do "pear upgrade PEAR". >>> >>> Then I tried to install pear from 7-stable packages on my server, >>> pear installed but when I tried to upgrade PEAR: >>> >>> #pear upgrade PEAR >>> Error getting channel info from pear.php.net: No cached content >>> available for "http://pear.php.net/rest/p/packages.xml" >>> Nothing to upgrade >>> Segmentation fault (core dumped) >>> # >>> The server is an ezjail on 7.4-RELEASE. >>> >>> Any ideas of how to get pear installed? Thanks. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> I just tried to recompile php5 with DEBUG enabled as someone told >> this helped him here: >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2006-July/033794.html >> >> Strange it seemed to him, but it also helped me. When I reinstalled >> pear after this, it rebuilt textproc/php5-xml and asked me to >> deinstall/reinstall that port first which it didn't do before. Now >> pear seems to work (installed, upgraded via its channel). Hope it >> won't trouble me anymore, don't know whether there is any issue with >> pear's port. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > No, it doesn't go much further... When i try "pear install > horde/horde_role", it can't verify the downloaded package and > complains that php must have been compiled with "--disable-tokenizer". > But tokenizer is a separete package, and is installed on my system, > and isn't mentioned in UPDATING as others that are no longer supplied > as extension but as compiled in the core. > > Tried to rebuild php without debug, and then "pear install > horde/horde_role" complains that there is no XML extension, but it's > there -- as a registered package, and in the > /usr/local/etc/php/extensions.ini > > # ls /var/db/pkg | grep xml > libxml2-2.7.8_1 > php5-simplexml-5.3.6_1 > php5-xml-5.3.6_1 > php5-xmlreader-5.3.6_1 > php5-xmlwriter-5.3.6_1 > # > > # cat /usr/local/etc/php/extensions.ini > extension=intl.so > extension=ldap.so > extension=pspell.so > extension=sqlite3.so > extension=tidy.so > extension=imagick.so > extension=calendar.so > extension=bz2.so > extension=sockets.so > extension=json.so > extension=mysqli.so > extension=hash.so > extension=filter.so > extension=mysql.so > extension=zlib.so > extension=gd.so > extension=dom.so > extension=xmlreader.so > extension=xmlwriter.so > extension=simplexml.so > extension=gettext.so > extension=pdo.so > extension=zip.so > extension=imap.so > extension=openssl.so > extension=posix.so > extension=pdo_sqlite.so > extension=ctype.so > extension=curl.so > extension=odbc.so > extension=fileinfo.so > extension=session.so > extension=mbstring.so > extension=tokenizer.so > extension=pdo_mysql.so > extension=iconv.so > extension=snmp.so > extension=xml.so > # > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I found out that the xml.so file was compiled with debugging while the php itself was not. Maybe it was so right from the beginning and that's why recompiling php with "DEBUG" partially help -- xml, already having been compiled with debugging became usable. So I deinstalled the ph5-xml port, and reinstalled it properly from php5-extensions port, and pear works now. Maybe now the problem is gone... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 18:38:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C2511065673 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:38:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vmiller@verisign.com) Received: from exprod6ob117.obsmtp.com (exprod6ob117.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77D98FC08 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:38:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from osprey.verisign.com ([216.168.239.75]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob117.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKTkq5KHbWUfb3RCyNktdRRvsgx47Nh+6W@postini.com; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:38:33 PDT Received: from dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.113]) by osprey.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id p7GIcWvX022270 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:38:32 -0400 Received: from dul1wnexcn04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.12.139]) by dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:38:31 -0400 Received: from BRN1WNEXCAS01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.173.152.205]) by dul1wnexcn04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:38:31 -0400 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.01.0289.001; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:38:07 -0400 From: "Miller, Vincent (Rick)" To: FreeBSD Thread-Topic: How much disk space required for make release? Thread-Index: AQHMXEOkgiC9Nm6fPkS7Q8mKD5/6xQ== Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:38:31 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.12.0.110505 x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2011 18:38:31.0922 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2CC9D20:01CC5C43] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: How much disk space required for make release? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:38:35 -0000 Hello all, I am attempting to 'make release' 8.2-RELEASE. After running for a few hou= rs, it died citing lack of disk space. The filesystem has approximately 80G= B available. How much disk space is required when making a release? =3D=3D Vincent (Rick) Miller Systems Engineer vmiller@Verisign.com t: 703-948-4395 21345 Ridgetop Cir Dulles, VA 20166 VerisignInc.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 19:15:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B99071065672 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:15:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo202.cox.net (eastrmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5318C8FC08 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:15:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20110816191511.EYXX32466.eastrmfepo202.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net>; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:15:11 -0400 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.83.25]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id M7FA1h0010YnB6A027FAb4; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:15:11 -0400 X-CT-Class: Bulk X-CT-Score: 5.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020B.4E4AC1BF.0068,ss=3,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=L18tZtgXvCjggtrPsn7EqxywmDwdeqj6Yva+6kM3mdg= c=1 sm=1 a=0Ag1IRbOQu0A:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=2vO5UZG1h46htWAnE/rx2g==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=hXRAdqycEkY_Rc9alTIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=jKRid43F7UoA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=2vO5UZG1h46htWAnE/rx2g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from serene.no-ip.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7GJF8X9003219; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:15:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:15:03 -0500 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110816141503.16603a52@serene.no-ip.org> In-Reply-To: <20110814054942.5e08fb77.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20110814032206.49ad7062.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110814025520.GA75595@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110814052211.02213877.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110814054942.5e08fb77.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: System lockups in X with nVidia GeForce 7600 GS (G73) and Gtk+ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:15:17 -0000 On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 05:49:42 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > Meanwhile, I got the "nvidia" driver compiled, installed > and running. Tests like > > % xlock -nolock -mode lament > > or > > % xlock -nolock -mode fire > > show the FPS rate I've expected (no comparison to the 3 > fps I got with "nv"). In "gears" there are > 5000 FPS, > that's _magnitudes_ better than with "nv". Yes, the driver performs quite admirably. :-) No more gnashing my teeth in envy of others with true hardware-accelerated drivers. > But my text font in Sylpheed as well as the one used in > intclock is not a bit damaged (just chose a different one > in Sylpheed so I can see what I'm currently typing). > > The next thing I have to try is triggering the system > freeze by using any Gtk+ application. :-) > > I'd like to point out that the nvidia driver comes with > nice documentation: /usr/local/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/README > contains lots of great stuff. The html version is even nicer to work with: file:///usr/local/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/html/index.html -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 19:57:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BDFD106566B for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:57:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E928F8FC0C for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:57:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sbhfislrext02.fnfis.com ([192.168.249.140]) by SCSFISLTC01 (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p7GJvBsT013425; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:57:11 -0500 Received: from sbhfisltcgw02.FNFIS.COM (Not Verified[10.132.248.122]) by sbhfislrext02.fnfis.com with MailMarshal (v6, 5, 4, 7535) id ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:57:01 -0500 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.31]) by sbhfisltcgw02.FNFIS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:57:10 -0500 Received: from dtwin (10.14.152.43) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.31) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.289.1; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:57:09 -0500 From: Devin Teske To: "'Miller, Vincent (Rick)'" , "'FreeBSD'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:56:49 -0700 Message-ID: <05ee01cc5c4e$a3a92ec0$eafb8c40$@fisglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKgbXgyf+C8q3ST84hgyVZOlH2t3pN3wDdg Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.43] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2011 19:57:10.0699 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF68D7B0:01CC5C4E] Cc: devin.teske@fisglobal.com Subject: RE: How much disk space required for make release? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:57:12 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Miller, Vincent (Rick) > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 11:39 AM > To: FreeBSD > Subject: How much disk space required for make release? > > Hello all, > > I am attempting to 'make release' 8.2-RELEASE. After running for a few hours, it > died citing lack of disk space. The filesystem has approximately 80GB available. > How much disk space is required when making a release? According to my notes... You will need approximately 600MB of storage space available on the filesystem that `/usr/src' resides on. Meanwhile, you'll need an additional 3GB (approximately) of storage space available on the filesystem that `/usr/release' resides on. And further still, you'll need an additional 600MB of storage space for the `/usr/obj' directory. So if all three directories (`/usr/src', `/usr/obj', and `/usr/release') live on the same filesystem, you'll need approximately 4.2GB of free space to build a FreeBSD release (including the source). Please note however, that this estimate is low because I never compile a release with the default options. I usually use the following: make release CHROOTDIR=/usr/release EXTSRCDIR=/usr/src KERNELS_BASE= \ NODOC=YES NO_FLOPPIES=YES NOCDROM=YES NOPORTS=YES The above options _significantly_ reduce the size of disk space required to build the release. -- Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. 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Thank you. _____________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 20:02:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71171065670 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:02:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A093F8FC13 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:02:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so733462iye.17 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:02:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.68.16 with SMTP id t16mr275637ibi.13.1313524951221; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.231.38.1 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:02:31 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: UwDcY0f7pl-Jc13OGVIxKDDKIgw Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: odd regression in the linux emulator. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:02:33 -0000 This was originally brought up in January: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/odd-regression-in-the-linux-emulator-td4112202.html#a4112206 Reading the thread it should have been fixed by now, But I have the same exact problem using: linux_base-gentoo-stage3-20110614 8.2-RELEASE All my ports are updated and linux-gentoo-make has the same exact FUTEX problems. Is there any workaround, path or some other way to fix this? TIA -- Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 20:24:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0C61065674 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:24:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9628FC15 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:24:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DCBE98B.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.233.139]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p7GKOo2b088395; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:24:52 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p7GKP8HV014771; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 22:25:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7GKOttE076983; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:25:02 GMT (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201108162025.p7GKOttE076983@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "Miller, Vincent (Rick)" From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:38:31 -0000." Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 22:24:55 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How much disk space required for make release? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:24:56 -0000 Hi, Reference: > From: "Miller, Vincent (Rick)" > Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:38:31 +0000 > Message-id: "Miller, Vincent (Rick)" wrote: > Hello all, > > I am attempting to 'make release' 8.2-RELEASE. After running for a few hours, it died citing lack of disk space. The filesystem has approximately 80GB available. How much disk space is required when making a release? A gig or 2 I recall, (each of src/ & obj/ I recall is ~ 600M then there's a chroot, so same again, but a few gig should be sufficient. 80G is more than enough, You must have some partiton that overflowed, maybe /tmp or /var. If you cant find what, just run eg touch ~//df.log #!/bin/csh while (1) df >> ~/df.log sleep 300 end & then start release again, the log will show where its getting eaten However I seem to recall some env var that allows piorts/ to be called in too Now ports/distfiles alone is maybe 100 Gig or so ... so avoid ports/ Sorry to be imprecise, I havent rolled a release for months, though I used to do it very frequently. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; Indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. 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charset=UTF-8 Subject: zend.to and FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:37:58 -0000 All, I'm not seeing the app from http://zend.to in ports, and my google search reveals nobody working with it in FreeBSD. Still, it's promising enough that I thought I'd ask about it here, and see if anyone has tried it. If not, does anyone know of similar functionality running in FreeBSD? Thanks, Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 21:14:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65CA81065675 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:14:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6598FC12 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so890419iye.17 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:14:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.68.16 with SMTP id t16mr349345ibi.13.1313527349077; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.231.38.1 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:42:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1313523985.38475.YahooMailNeo@web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1313523985.38475.YahooMailNeo@web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:42:29 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: JkW4N1UhXjeBaf8gYMybYsUOILE Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: "M.Hafez" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: looking for help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:14:08 -0000 On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 3:46 PM, M.Hafez wrote: > > > hello; > > i do not have big idea abotu freeBSD , this is the first time i am using = that, >i do not want to lean any thing about freeBSD, This is probably a language thing but it doesn't come on too great on your behalf. Posting on a FBSD and not wanting to learn about FBSD is kind of an oxymoro= n >i just want to using it to build a supper computer using MPI libraries, >that to run octave application (matlab=A0 like) to increase the process sp= eedup , i hope i can find steps to do so , There are many articles on the Web about Beowulf with FreeBSD. I found this one useful: http://blizzard.rwic.und.edu/~nordlie/miniwulf/ But again, the information is out there just STFW and then come back with specific questions. Cheers! -- Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 22:14:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B6B106564A for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 22:14:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from osp@aloha.com) Received: from mail003.19.63.A.static.mtka.securence.com (mail003.19.63.A.static.mtka.securence.com [216.17.63.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE39C8FC0C for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 22:14:10 +0000 (UTC) received: from smtpauth.pixi.com. (206.127.224.131) by mta14.mtka.securence.com (securence); tue, 16 aug 2011 16:56:05 -0500 (cdt) Received: from 26.255.98.25.in-addr.arpa (m910436d0.tmodns.net [208.54.4.145]) (user=osp@aloha.com mech=PLAIN) by smtpauth.pixi.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7GLtrCj002295 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:55:57 -1000 (HST) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Open Slate Project Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:55:42 -1000 To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <1a08a251-1098-443a-8597-3deedfc1e245@email.android.com> x-securence-id: 1313531764379-014-00566208 x-securence-country-code: us - united states x-securence-odset: pixi.com x-securence-tls-suite-incoming: tls_dhe_rsa_with_aes_256_cbc_sha x-securence-remote-host: smtpauth.pixi.com. x-securence-remote-addr: 206.127.224.131 x-securence-rfc2821-mail-from: osp@aloha.com x-securence-pp1t: 2 x-securence-trat: 2 x-securence-omc: 0 x-securence-tsist: 119 x-securence-urt: 1103 x-securence-art: 0 x-securence-drt: 1108 x-securence-info: d223; 0orl0; 100otrp0; 2opp11; 97osrb7; 96ous1103; 93oavs0; 1ovxr0; 2oclm100; 97ocom0; 3obsp0; 97ovrc0; 1ophc0; 2isd0; 45dds0; 63domsplt0; 93vac0; 99dogp0; 0med0; 100fsqd0; 2fsdd0; 99dod0; 0dds0; 100domsplt0; 100vac0; 100dogp0; 100med0; 100fsqd0; 30fsdd1; 69dod0; 100cld0; 25lrd0; 5dlv1; dmqq47; s549; t550 x-securence-defer-note-1: attempted to deliver at 2011-08-16 16:56:09 (cdt) x-securence-defer-note-2: attempted to deliver at 2011-08-16 16:57:30 (cdt) x-securence-defer-note-3: attempted to deliver at 2011-08-16 16:59:30 (cdt) x-securence-defer-note-4: attempted to deliver at 2011-08-16 17:03:31 (cdt) X-Securence-Latseq: <14-1313531767367> Subject: Unable to build the print/lyx port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 22:14:11 -0000 I was unsuccessful in posting directly so I am forwarding from another account. Apologies for format. Gary Dunn wrote: >FreeBSD Questions > > >Unable to build the print/lyx port. Generic kernal, fresh portsnap >fetch / >update cycle. > >$ uname -a >FreeBSD my.host.name 8.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Feb 18 >02:24:46 >UTC 2011 root@almeida.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC >i386 > >portinstall lyx >After long run, picking up output near end: > >... >gmake[4]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/print/lyx/work/lyx-2.0.0/src' > CXX Author.o > CXX Bidi.o > CXX boost.o > CXX BranchList.o > CXX Buffer.o > CXX buffer_funcs.o > CXX BufferList.o > CXX BufferParams.o > CXX BufferView.o > CXX Bullet.o > CXX Changes.o > CXX Chktex.o > CXX CmdDef.o > CXX Color.o > CXX ConverterCache.o >ConverterCache.cpp:83: warning: 'lyx::FormatCache' has a field >'lyx::FormatCache::cache' whose type uses the anonymous namespace > CXX Converter.o > CXX CoordCache.o >... (omitted long list of similar lines) > CXX PersonalWordList.o > CXX PrinterParams.o > CXX Thesaurus.o > AR liblyxcore.a > AR liblyxgraphics.a > AR liblyxmathed.a > AR liblyxinsets.a > CXXLD lyx >/usr/bin/ld: warning: libicuuc.so.46, needed by >/usr/local/lib/libboost_regex.so, not found (try using -rpath or >-rpath-link) >/usr/bin/ld: warning: libicui18n.so.46, needed by >/usr/local/lib/libboost_regex.so, not found (try using -rpath or >-rpath-link) >/usr/bin/ld: warning: libicudata.so.46, needed by >/usr/local/lib/libboost_regex.so, not found (try using -rpath or >-rpath-link) >/usr/local/lib/libboost_regex.so: undefined reference to >`icu_46::Locale::Locale()' >/usr/local/lib/libboost_regex.so: undefined reference to >`icu_46::Locale::Locale(icu_46::Locale const&)' >/usr/local/lib/libboost_regex.so: undefined reference to `u_isblank_46' >/usr/local/lib/libboost_regex.so: undefined reference to `u_isspace_46' >/usr/local/lib/libboost_regex.so: undefined reference to `u_digit_46' >/usr/local/lib/libboost_regex.so: undefined reference to >`u_charType_46' >/usr/local/lib/libboost_regex.so: undefined reference to `u_tolower_46' >/usr/local/lib/libboost_regex.so: undefined reference to >`u_charFromName_46' >/usr/local/lib/libboost_regex.so: undefined reference to >`icu_46::Locale::~Locale()' >/usr/local/lib/libboost_regex.so: undefined reference to >`icu_46::Collator::createInstance(icu_46::Locale const&, UErrorCode&)' >gmake[4]: *** [lyx] Error 1 >gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/print/lyx/work/lyx-2.0.0/src' >gmake[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 >gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/print/lyx/work/lyx-2.0.0/src' >gmake[2]: *** [all] Error 2 >gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/print/lyx/work/lyx-2.0.0/src' >gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 >gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/print/lyx/work/lyx-2.0.0' >gmake: *** [all] Error 2 >*** Error code 1 > >Stop in /usr/ports/print/lyx. >*** Error code 1 > >Stop in /usr/ports/print/lyx. >** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa >/tmp/portinstall20110808-84103-1lft56n-0 env make >** Fix the problem and try again. >** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) >! print/lyx (linker error) >$ > >I have icu version 4.8, looks like libboost is looking for 4.6. Or is >the >problem with boost? > >$ pkg_info | grep icu >icu-4.8.1 International Components for Unicode (from IBM) > >$ pkg_version -v | grep boost-libs >boost-libs-1.45.0_1 = up-to-date with port > >Anyone have this working? > > >-- >Gary Dunn >Honolulu -- Gary Dunn, Honolulu Open Slate Project http://openslate.org Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 16 22:18:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381C21065677 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 22:18:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwinlculp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70628FC1B for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 22:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkat8 with SMTP id t8so378696bka.13 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:18:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QHb2DI32dGs86IZDic2tSf5XKYqkJ7rEMezHixiT6cc=; b=Q0tScX78y8b6hRLxuC+vERKFDlZpLPc4ookMctEpdGJ4jE91gBofnsWTLr0ZfNjeV8 CKeKdfUQz0eYLcqgKIJXfgt6Kp6H07/SkV9FeUHoQo96N1pa6K6iPcgxJZ0tbZpJ5rDK P4gZzFlRycv32jrFSVQOFLiYR8hkBBgpkeMnY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.232.2 with SMTP id js2mr87981bkb.128.1313531435323; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.176.143 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:50:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:50:35 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Edwin L. Culp W." To: "Miller, Vincent (Rick)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: How much disk space required for make release? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 22:18:53 -0000 On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Miller, Vincent (Rick) wrote: > Hello all, > > I am attempting to 'make release' 8.2-RELEASE. =A0After running for a few= hours, it died citing lack of disk space. The filesystem has approximately= 80GB available. =A0How much disk space is required when making a release? > > =3D=3D > Vincent (Rick) Miller > Systems Engineer > vmiller@Verisign.com > > t: 703-948-4395 > 21345 Ridgetop Cir Dulles, VA 20166 > > VerisignInc.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > I am not running 8. Only 7, soon to be updated to 9, but I just finished building a release on Current amd64. I doubt that it will help much but . . . # du -s -m release 8693 release A little less than 9G. I wouldn't want to have less that 10G free, if I were going to build regularly. Boy am I glad that disks are so much cheaper now. ed From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 17 05:49:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 804F0106566C for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 05:49:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B99F8FC15 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 05:49:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20110817054919.VBOZ32702.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 01:49:19 -0400 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.83.25]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id MHpJ1h00J0YnB6A02HpKZF; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 01:49:19 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020B.4E4B565F.003F,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=aUFDW8FZeteuO/fxyvToEy2C7OWB/cKxsZjvUqUod7E= c=1 sm=1 a=9xGo84Aa0b8A:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=2vO5UZG1h46htWAnE/rx2g==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=KWkr2c9fLceZSHXLE5cA:9 a=GyBIVcabHqJyQ2svc9gA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=2vO5UZG1h46htWAnE/rx2g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from serene.no-ip.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7H5nIOS039321 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 00:49:18 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 00:49:13 -0500 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20110817004913.792c125d@serene.no-ip.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: amarok doesn't support id3v2? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 05:49:29 -0000 I made a rather startling discovery tonight while playing with amarok 1.4.10 and the id3v2 port. It seems that if I modify an MP3 files's id3 tags in amarok, it deletes any existing id3v2 tags, leaving only id3v1 tags on the file (as verified with the id3v2 command line tool). This just seems wrong to me. If I understand correctly, taglib, which is used by amarok, does support id3v2, so why isn't amarok taking advantage of this facility? I rebuilt and reinstalled amarok, just to see if it would make any difference, but I'm still seeing the same behavior. I also installed and tried the audio/juk port (also one the of KDE3 multimedia family of packages, and also using taglib), and am seeing the same thing there as well. No id3v2 tags, only id3v1. What's up with this? Anyone? -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 17 08:38:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6972D1065673 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 08:38:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (tunnel490.ipv6.xs4all.nl [IPv6:2001:888:10:1ea::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C918FC13 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 08:38:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7H8ccew049333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:38:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p7H8caGY049332; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:38:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:38:36 +0200 From: Ruben de Groot To: Bernt Hansson Message-ID: <20110817083836.GA48555@ei.bzerk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ruben de Groot , Bernt Hansson , Gerald Stoller , FreeBSD Questions References: <2309807.889736.1313457687722.JavaMail.gsstoller@mail.srv.nantny1.cv.net> <4E4A8813.1050900@bananmonarki.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E4A8813.1050900@bananmonarki.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ei.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (ei.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:38:42 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Gerald Stoller , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: single user login X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 08:38:44 -0000 On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 05:09:07PM +0200, Bernt Hansson typed: > 2011-08-16 03:21, Gerald Stoller skrev: > >I booted up my FreeBSD system and it never presented me with a "Boot: > >" prompt. > >Maybe that is because my system is old (remember I haven't used it for > >years), > >its version # is 4.3 or 4.7 (I have 2 versions on my hard disk). My > >system > >went through a bunch of boot/recovery/initialization steps and then went > >to the > > login: prompt. When I tried to interrupt it, I got to a primitive > >system that > >used an ok prompt, and "help" tells you all (I believe) the commands > >that it > >accepts and can perform. > > Restart the machine and wait for the boot loader menu. > Then choose "boot freebsd in single user mode" I don't recall there was a boot loader menu in FreeBSD 4.x Just interupt boot by pressing a key, giving you the OK prompt. Then boot -s to go to single user mode (if that's what you want) -- Ruben From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 17 10:22:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A34A1065672 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:22:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsilva.pt@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f42.google.com (mail-ww0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323ED8FC13 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwe5 with SMTP id 5so3026201wwe.1 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 03:22:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:to:message-id:content-type:from:subject:date:x-mailer; bh=VLtPE1vOLb7Ju8uiSYeyETUfG26PVsTpr37Cz3qHFzc=; b=is6dnSE43ujiytvYECLaxKcAbJ5w5iHuPM87vv0zZIhSarkMJQAmU+uvhVkjxqIgCX 6vCLISGFwwDNC6yIdoRzDiFz6C8j4NSksYFVdCTfM1DPGHAHXdMEpX7YiztnnPSHF0/7 uqKjiF+qisR2yXMcaXfKzj3IodqmCGpSYDxuc= Received: by 10.216.166.136 with SMTP id g8mr622377wel.24.1313575005713; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 02:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [93.102.38.161] (93.102.38.161.rev.optimus.pt [93.102.38.161]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e7sm639118wed.33.2011.08.17.02.56.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 17 Aug 2011 02:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: From: Rui Silva Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:56:35 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: ISO images X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:22:53 -0000 Hi, I want to install FreeBSD for the first time but I have some doubts regarding the ISO images. I have downloaded an ISO image (FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-dvd1.iso) via torrent, but soon realised that the packages collection was very poor when compared to "ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ i386/8.2-RELEASE/packages/" Is there any complete ISO image that includes all the packages I saw in "ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/8.2-RELEASE/ packages/"? That would be really nice. Thank you ;) Rui Silva From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 17 10:40:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0923106566C for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:40:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F028FC13 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:40:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.75]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 85A4116B4A5; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 05:40:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 05:37:14 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 05:37:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.6dollardialup.com To: Rui Silva In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISO images X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:40:23 -0000 On Wed, 17 Aug 2011, Rui Silva wrote: > Hi, > > I want to install FreeBSD for the first time but I have some doubts regarding > the ISO images. > > I have downloaded an ISO image (FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-dvd1.iso) via > torrent, but soon realised that the packages collection was very poor when > compared to > "ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/8.2-RELEASE/packages/" > > Is there any complete ISO image that includes all the packages I saw in > "ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/8.2-RELEASE/packages/"? That > would be really nice. Of course there is not because no media appropriate to an ISO image could contain such an ISO. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 17 11:08:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882E3106566B for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 11:08:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from francisco.cabrita@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f45.google.com (mail-pz0-f45.google.com [209.85.210.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60EE28FC16 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 11:08:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33so1543981pzk.18 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 04:08:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=tDI1ZLVdkf1/YZojKL4UjuTbi5FCKXXIdvOu6baS7Vc=; b=Znhlu5E4ubzKj0/D1J57J7bmiJEWK+3mFsrGCDnr8nvOSt8N2qpJJIHWZENppPt7yX pzAGSkQnvaIOvDUuZYGG/pFNb58bTkMgFporvamCtmjHoovrtSyiHbsE9mq6YBTE8AsQ DMj8KWGde6udEpmk2+piY3ChNcaWzEQkypNAw= Received: by 10.142.230.9 with SMTP id c9mr470026wfh.342.1313577794174; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 03:43:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.241.5 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 03:42:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Francisco Cabrita Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 11:42:44 +0100 Message-ID: To: Rui Silva Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISO images X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 11:08:02 -0000 On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Rui Silva wrote: > Hi, > > I want to install FreeBSD for the first time but I have some doubts > regarding the ISO images. > > I have downloaded an ISO image (FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-**dvd1.iso) via > torrent, but soon realised that the packages collection was very poor when > compared to "ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/**FreeBSD/releases/i386/8.2-** > RELEASE/packages/ > " > > Is there any complete ISO image that includes all the packages I saw in " > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/**FreeBSD/releases/i386/8.2-**RELEASE/packages/"? > That would be really nice. > you could fetch the DVD instead (but it will not have all packages bundled on one DVD) ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/8.2/ > > Thank you ;) > > Rui Silva > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-** > unsubscribe@freebsd.org " > -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 17 12:10:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DAC106564A for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:10:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pieter@degoeje.nl) Received: from smtp.utwente.nl (smtp2.utsp.utwente.nl [130.89.2.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF578FC12 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:10:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pieter-dev.localnet (lux.student.utwente.nl [130.89.161.112]) by smtp.utwente.nl (8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id p7HCA9QC006918; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:10:09 +0200 From: Pieter de Goeje To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:10:09 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/2.6.39-2-amd64; KDE/4.6.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <4E42D5F7.9010702@hawaii-pacific.com> In-Reply-To: <4E42D5F7.9010702@hawaii-pacific.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201108171410.09454.pieter@degoeje.nl> X-UTwente-MailScanner-Information: Scanned by MailScanner. Contact icts.servicedesk@utwente.nl for more information. X-UTwente-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UTwente-MailScanner-From: pieter@degoeje.nl X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Bruce Meier Subject: Re: postgresql-libpqxx X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:10:16 -0000 On Wednesday, August 10, 2011 09:03:19 PM Bruce Meier wrote: > I have installed postgresql-libpqxx and included it in a test program > and get the following error: > "main.cpp:1:21: error: pqxx/pqxx: No such file or directory". Hi, Did you add -I/usr/local/include to the compiler flags of the test program? All ports install their headers there. Regards, Pieter From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 17 12:55:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E70106566B for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:55:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B218FC16 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:55:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (pD9FBED16.dip.t-dialin.net [217.251.237.22]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p7HCt828003081; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:55:09 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p7HCtV4Q091298; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:55:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7HCtEYU025850; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:55:21 GMT (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201108171255.p7HCtEYU025850@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Lars Eighner From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Wed, 17 Aug 2011 05:37:13 CDT." Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:55:14 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: Rui Silva , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISO images X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:55:11 -0000 Lars Eighner wrote: > On Wed, 17 Aug 2011, Rui Silva wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I want to install FreeBSD for the first time but I have some doubts regarding > > the ISO images. > > > > I have downloaded an ISO image (FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-dvd1.iso) via > > torrent, but soon realised that the packages collection was very poor when > > compared to > > "ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/8.2-RELEASE/packages/" > > > > Is there any complete ISO image that includes all the packages I saw in > > "ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/8.2-RELEASE/packages/"? That > > would be really nice. > > Of course there is not because no media appropriate to an ISO image could > contain such an ISO. Rui, in case that's not clear enough, DVD are too Small Raw media sizes DVD self burnable media : 4.7 G http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/txt/cdroms.html Commercial bulk (film/movie) DVDs : 9 G. Blu ray, (rare expensive) : [2 x] 25 Gig http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc ftp protocol does not support command du, so one can't see size of ftp://ftp.freebsd.orgpub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-8.2-release/All/ Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; Indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 17 13:15:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4BC81065670 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:15:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (tunnel490.ipv6.xs4all.nl [IPv6:2001:888:10:1ea::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458BA8FC15 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:15:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7HDDVMu051235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:13:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p7HDDUvs051234; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:13:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:13:30 +0200 From: Ruben de Groot To: Rui Silva Message-ID: <20110817131330.GA51182@ei.bzerk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ruben de Groot , Rui Silva , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ei.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (ei.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:15:03 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISO images X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:15:05 -0000 On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:56:35AM +0100, Rui Silva typed: > Hi, > > I want to install FreeBSD for the first time but I have some doubts > regarding the ISO images. > > I have downloaded an ISO image (FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-dvd1.iso) > via torrent, but soon realised that the packages collection was very > poor when compared to "ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ > i386/8.2-RELEASE/packages/" > > Is there any complete ISO image that includes all the packages I saw > in "ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/8.2-RELEASE/ > packages/"? That would be really nice. Not a direct answer, but after installation from the DVD you have, you can easily install any package from the ftp site by running pkg_add -r Ruben From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 17 13:29:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96101065673 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:29:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.ross@gmx.net) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 233468FC0C for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 Aug 2011 13:28:57 -0000 Received: from dslb-178-003-048-147.pools.arcor-ip.net (EHLO michael-think) [178.3.48.147] by mail.gmx.net (mp007) with SMTP; 17 Aug 2011 15:28:57 +0200 X-Authenticated: #11429267 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19TD7Y7jL9T60sYyglJfqG696oPGNRzfIdB+2nebS zxLgWMj/Bo2SRm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: "Lars Eighner" , "Julian H. Stacey" References: <201108171255.p7HCtEYU025850@fire.js.berklix.net> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:28:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Michael Ross" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <201108171255.p7HCtEYU025850@fire.js.berklix.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.50 (Win32) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Rui Silva , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISO images X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:29:00 -0000 Am 17.08.2011, 14:55 Uhr, schrieb Julian H. Stacey : > Lars Eighner wrote: > ftp protocol does not support command du, so one can't see size of > ftp://ftp.freebsd.orgpub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-8.2-release/All/ > My FTP client shows it at about 32GB total. Michael From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 17 13:59:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DC11065677 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:59:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6DC8FC17 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:59:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DCBFA02.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.250.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p7HDxLw3003486; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:59:23 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p7HDxhZG009772; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:59:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7HDxIXR054799; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:59:24 GMT (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201108171359.p7HDxIXR054799@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "Michael Ross" From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:28:41 +0200." Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:59:18 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: Lars Eighner , Rui Silva , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISO images X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:59:26 -0000 Hi, Reference: > From: "Michael Ross" > Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:28:41 +0200 > Message-id: "Michael Ross" wrote: > Am 17.08.2011, 14:55 Uhr, schrieb Julian H. Stacey : > > > Lars Eighner wrote: > > ftp protocol does not support command du, so one can't see size of > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.orgpub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-8.2-release/All/ > > > > > My FTP client shows it at about 32GB total. Nice to be able to see that. Which client ? Do you know it get that ? Maybe it adds size of each file together ? ( I was using /usr/bin/ftp ) Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; Indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 17 14:36:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD42A1065672 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:36:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ttsestt@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f45.google.com (mail-pz0-f45.google.com [209.85.210.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927678FC14 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:36:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33so2014343pzk.18 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:36:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=8gvNq+PkJTFavOpbWHkRSi54aSEO1KrrSPBPBbI+GJE=; b=Hyj38rO55OK5Xcpjy7jzFKx+7OTXye+V7DA/esyTG2XcBCmU1Sh1oKL0F5pNE/Zj9A 0bSkGolilwFbAO9PlKMwtNjiBt/fkfZMx8uaHfyTIVCQAInmDkSM7cbd83QyamLZt28t aZDgK/PeuibBZltu0QgBDdHSVVnRLVWsbpPjg= Received: by 10.142.172.7 with SMTP id u7mr568159wfe.78.1313591802056; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (tor-exit-router36-readme.formlessnetworking.net [199.48.147.36]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e6sm670558pbm.23.2011.08.17.07.36.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:36:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Test Rat To: "Julian H. Stacey" References: <201108171359.p7HDxIXR054799@fire.js.berklix.net> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:36:30 +0400 In-Reply-To: <201108171359.p7HDxIXR054799@fire.js.berklix.net> (Julian H. Stacey's message of "Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:59:18 +0200") Message-ID: <86lius6r69.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Lars Eighner , Rui Silva , Michael Ross Subject: Re: ISO images X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:36:42 -0000 "Julian H. Stacey" writes: > Hi, > Reference: >> From: "Michael Ross" >> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:28:41 +0200 >> Message-id: > > "Michael Ross" wrote: >> Am 17.08.2011, 14:55 Uhr, schrieb Julian H. Stacey : >> >> > Lars Eighner wrote: >> > ftp protocol does not support command du, so one can't see size of >> > ftp://ftp.freebsd.orgpub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-8.2-release/All/ >> > >> >> >> My FTP client shows it at about 32GB total. > > Nice to be able to see that. Which client ? > Do you know it get that ? Maybe it adds size of each file together ? > > ( I was using /usr/bin/ftp ) ftp/lftp? It has `du' command. lftp ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64> du -hs packages-8-stable/All 33G packages-8-stable/All From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 17 14:46:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4B2106566B for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:46:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gmx@ross.cx) Received: from www81.your-server.de (www81.your-server.de [213.133.104.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E7858FC0A for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:46:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [178.3.48.147] (helo=michael-think) by www81.your-server.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qtgy0-000121-Lf; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 16:19:36 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: "Julian H. Stacey" References: <201108171359.p7HDxIXR054799@fire.js.berklix.net> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 16:19:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Michael Ross" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <201108171359.p7HDxIXR054799@fire.js.berklix.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.50 (Win32) X-Authenticated-Sender: gmx@ross.cx X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (ClamAV 0.97.2/13449/Wed Aug 17 15:43:05 2011) Cc: Lars Eighner , Rui Silva , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISO images X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:46:32 -0000 Am 17.08.2011, 15:59 Uhr, schrieb Julian H. Stacey : > Hi, > Reference: >> From: "Michael Ross" >> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:28:41 +0200 >> Message-id: > > "Michael Ross" wrote: >> Am 17.08.2011, 14:55 Uhr, schrieb Julian H. Stacey : >> >> > Lars Eighner wrote: >> > ftp protocol does not support command du, so one can't see size of >> > >> ftp://ftp.freebsd.orgpub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-8.2-release/All/ >> > >> >> >> My FTP client shows it at about 32GB total. > > Nice to be able to see that. Which client ? > Do you know it get that ? Maybe it adds size of each file together ? > > ( I was using /usr/bin/ftp ) > > Cheers, > Julian WinSCP on a Windows desktop. In ports there is ftp/lftp, which has a du command. I don't know how they get the value, assume they do just that: ls each directory and add up. Michael From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 17 17:10:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C78106566B for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 17:10:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5CD28FC0A for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 17:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-15-138.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.15.138]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1868A3FBD4; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:10:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7HHAcZP001894; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:10:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:10:38 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Ruben de Groot Message-Id: <20110817191038.2134d8aa.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110817083836.GA48555@ei.bzerk.org> References: <2309807.889736.1313457687722.JavaMail.gsstoller@mail.srv.nantny1.cv.net> <4E4A8813.1050900@bananmonarki.se> <20110817083836.GA48555@ei.bzerk.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: single user login X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 17:10:42 -0000 On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:38:36 +0200, Ruben de Groot wrote: > I don't recall there was a boot loader menu in FreeBSD 4.x > Just interupt boot by pressing a key, giving you the OK prompt. Then boot -s > to go to single user mode (if that's what you want) Correct. I think the "Beatie menu" appeared in the 5.X branch of FreeBSD. It can still be disabled (by means of loader.conf), so the default action to interrupt after the 1st boot stage is still a valid method. If you interrrupted too early, just pressing Enter for the defaults is okay: POST finished... [space][space][space][space] boot: [Enter] [space][space][space][space] Ok boot -s <- this starts into single user mode In case there console is not marked as "insecure", there won't be any further password requests and you'll successfully reach a root prompt: # _ -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 17 18:08:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143C6106566B for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:08:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vmiller@verisign.com) Received: from exprod6og107.obsmtp.com (exprod6og107.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.208]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 895C68FC0A for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:08:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from peregrine.verisign.com ([216.168.239.74]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob107.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKTkwDk4ZEirnw0DvOo+deHvB+LeH1qMF9@postini.com; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 11:08:20 PDT Received: from dul1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (dul1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.138]) by peregrine.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id p7HI8JKe004664 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:08:19 -0400 Received: from dul1wnexcn04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.12.139]) by dul1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:08:18 -0400 Received: from BRN1WNEXCAS01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.173.152.205]) by dul1wnexcn04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:08:18 -0400 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.01.0289.001; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:07:50 -0400 From: "Miller, Vincent (Rick)" To: FreeBSD Thread-Topic: How much disk space required for make release? Thread-Index: AQHMXEOkgiC9Nm6fPkS7Q8mKD5/6xZUgR5WAgAERKQA= Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:08:18 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.12.0.110505 x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2011 18:08:18.0938 (UTC) FILETIME=[A496F5A0:01CC5D08] Subject: Re: How much disk space required for make release? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:08:21 -0000 I want to thank everyone for their suggestions. I ended up creating a larger swap and /tmp and reran make release with much better results. It's not completely finished yet, but has certainly progressed much further than the other day. =3D=3D Vincent (Rick) Miller Systems Engineer vmiller@Verisign.com t: 703-948-4395 21345 Ridgetop Cir Dulles, VA 20166 VerisignInc.com =20 On 8/16/11 5:50 PM, "Edwin L. Culp W." wrote: >On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Miller, Vincent (Rick) > wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> I am attempting to 'make release' 8.2-RELEASE. After running for a few >>hours, it died citing lack of disk space. The filesystem has >>approximately 80GB available. How much disk space is required when >>making a release? >> >> =3D=3D >> Vincent (Rick) Miller >> Systems Engineer >> vmiller@Verisign.com >> >> t: 703-948-4395 >> 21345 Ridgetop Cir Dulles, VA 20166 >> >> VerisignInc.com >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >I am not running 8. Only 7, soon to be updated to 9, but I just >finished building a release on Current amd64. I doubt that it will >help much but . . . > ># du -s -m release >8693 release > >A little less than 9G. I wouldn't want to have less that 10G free, if >I were going to build regularly. > >Boy am I glad that disks are so much cheaper now. > >ed From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 17 19:01:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4668C106564A for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:01:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC5B8FC08 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:01:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DCBFD81.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.253.129]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p7HJ1XRw005455; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:01:34 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p7HGnY8H090008; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:49:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7HGn9Sb012743; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 16:49:15 GMT (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201108171649.p7HGn9Sb012743@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "Michael Ross" From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Wed, 17 Aug 2011 16:19:20 +0200." Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:49:09 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: Lars Eighner , Rui Silva , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISO images X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:01:36 -0000 "Michael Ross" wrote: > Am 17.08.2011, 15:59 Uhr, schrieb Julian H. Stacey : > > > Hi, > > Reference: > >> From: "Michael Ross" > >> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:28:41 +0200 > >> Message-id: > > > > "Michael Ross" wrote: > >> Am 17.08.2011, 14:55 Uhr, schrieb Julian H. Stacey : > >> > >> > Lars Eighner wrote: > >> > ftp protocol does not support command du, so one can't see size of > >> > > >> ftp://ftp.freebsd.orgpub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-8.2-release/All/ > >> > > >> > >> > >> My FTP client shows it at about 32GB total. > > > > Nice to be able to see that. Which client ? > > Do you know it get that ? Maybe it adds size of each file together ? > > > > ( I was using /usr/bin/ftp ) > > > > Cheers, > > Julian > > WinSCP on a Windows desktop. > > In ports there is ftp/lftp, which has a du command. Ah Thanks, building now, will be a luxury :-) > I don't know how they get the value, assume they do just that: ls each > directory and add up. > > Michael Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; Indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 17 19:15:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8298A106564A for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:15:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from charlie@informationtechnologydegree.com) Received: from emailonlineservice.com (emailonlineservice.com [70.32.82.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D688FC16 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:15:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 24052 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2011 14:47:43 -0400 Received: from c-76-30-217-41.hsd1.tx.comcast.net (HELO AmyEvans) (76.30.217.41) by emailonlineservice.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2011 14:47:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:49:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Charlie Leonard To: Webmaster Message-ID: <15743597.1839.1313606953140.JavaMail.Amy@AmyEvans> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_1640_627127.1313606922850" Cc: Subject: IT Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:15:46 -0000 ------=_Part_1640_627127.1313606922850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Webmaster, I run an Information Technology website http://www.informationtechnologydegree.com. 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Charlie Leonard ------=_Part_1640_627127.1313606922850-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 17 19:25:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA38106566B for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:25:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ronanlucio@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD0F28FC16 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:25:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so724141ewy.13 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:25:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=c/K9Ioa4As6DGyVvgaHGTmbsJmEwk6VS04w5l0B+mS4=; b=TD9wLImEmmILvOYMZ7mLz+OoEjSPW2/N3O3H6I2a7B97SL7fzK6g9ZJG3psbP7c65g oziFoexYlgNhbwryu3nK7nIxIeWsAvu9Hc9NJpynb8NpG1WCoY5AMgHm2sUVtW1YfIm9 BDUEXy1nP0RjnsDWk+hVyUYBor+pSgAXfpsRg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.26.219 with SMTP id f27mr1419216ebc.76.1313607434807; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 11:57:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.16.136 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 11:57:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:57:14 -0300 Message-ID: From: Ronan Lucio To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: vsftpd + ssl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:25:44 -0000 Hi, I'm not getting make it to work. I installed vsftpd via ports and checked RC_NG and VSFTPD_SSL and added the configs: ----------------------------- #SSL ssl_enable=YES rsa_cert_file=/etc/ssl/vsftpd.pem rsa_private_key_file=/etc/ssl/vsftpd.key force_local_data_ssl=YES force_local_logins_ssl=YES require_ssl_reuse=NO ssl_tlsv1=YES ssl_sslv2=YES ssl_sslv3=YES ----------------------------- When I try to login I get: ----------------------------- 234 Proceed with negotiation. [SSL Cipher DES-CBC3-SHA] 331 Please specify the password. Password: ssl_getc: SSL_read failed -1 = 0 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection Login failed. No control connection for command: Success ftp> ----------------------------- My log files: ----------------------------- # tail vsftpd.log Wed Aug 17 12:42:20 2011 [pid 63102] [rnt] OK LOGIN: Client "201.49.104.47" Wed Aug 17 15:53:28 2011 [pid 63453] CONNECT: Client "201.49.104.47" Wed Aug 17 15:53:28 2011 [pid 63453] FTP response: Client "201.49.104.47", "220 FTP Server" Wed Aug 17 15:53:31 2011 [pid 63453] FTP command: Client "201.49.104.47", "AUTH SSL" Wed Aug 17 15:53:31 2011 [pid 63453] FTP response: Client "201.49.104.47", "234 Proceed with negotiation." Wed Aug 17 15:53:31 2011 [pid 63453] DEBUG: Client "201.49.104.47", "SSL version: TLSv1/SSLv3, SSL cipher: DES-CBC3-SHA, not reused, no cert" Wed Aug 17 15:53:31 2011 [pid 63453] FTP command: Client "201.49.104.47", "USER test_user" Wed Aug 17 15:53:31 2011 [pid 63453] [rnt] FTP response: Client "201.49.104.47", "331 Please specify the password." Wed Aug 17 15:53:39 2011 [pid 63453] [rnt] FTP command: Client "201.49.104.47", "PASS " Wed Aug 17 15:53:39 2011 [pid 63452] [rnt] OK LOGIN: Client "201.49.104.47" ----------------------------- FreeBSD-8.2 vsftpd-ssl-2.3.4 Do you have any clue? Thanks, Ronan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 17 19:37:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2D8C1065672 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:37:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo102.cox.net (eastrmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C9F8FC08 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:37:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20110817193718.LAXE3919.eastrmfepo102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:37:18 -0400 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.83.25]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id MXdE1h00S0YnB6A02XdJGL; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:37:18 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020201.4E4C186E.00C7,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=L18tZtgXvCjggtrPsn7EqxywmDwdeqj6Yva+6kM3mdg= c=1 sm=1 a=EqNCIJY-sfkA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=2vO5UZG1h46htWAnE/rx2g==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=HXVtDbzN5PvdjpNat1MA:9 a=SO7cFZhVfO4XvAs1-BsA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=2vO5UZG1h46htWAnE/rx2g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from serene.no-ip.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7HJbEGi066548 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:37:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:37:09 -0500 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20110817143709.46861c41@serene.no-ip.org> In-Reply-To: <20110814211449.64d2755d@serene.no-ip.org> References: <20110814211449.64d2755d@serene.no-ip.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Success! (was Re: Best soloution(s) for handling all the varied media content on the web?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:37:24 -0000 On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:14:49 -0500 "Conrad J. Sabatier" wrote: > I'm just wondering what practical solutions people have arrived at for > handling all the varied types of media on the web in their browser. > I'd really like to be able to view sites like YouTube, etc. and > Flash-enabled sites, with a minimum of hassle. > > I'm running 9.0-HEAD amd64, by the way, so that cuts down my options > somewhat, I think (for instance, 32-bit and/or Linux plugins are > somewhat problematic). > > Any relatively simple solutions for handling at least the most popular > media types? > > Thanks. Eureka! I finally got the Linux flash plugin working! Turned out that nspluginwrapper was the magic that got things going. Love it! Finally! :-) -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 17 19:51:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F420A106566B for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:51:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from antiequality@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B2BD8FC18 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwi36 with SMTP id 36so1339352wwi.31 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:51:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=zjl6XNGPAZUR+tSIQxZn/qPExZ3xshUUgSPQlTT/QPA=; b=wkJjxMbfoy0rPmp2q0MeuJPyQlnC1MqrB2mfme8svwFspaVnhiLZwyY2t9kUwLXVL7 zJhmQ9xUd/JGLQ6IszKcd2nxgxWdwYf98IAscxqdZ85cldappC+GZ80CdAoDgwaXdzLz 1/k96RzaE/9bOTz4KM/Ub+4H9XiXci5Co8Fuc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.68.143 with SMTP id l15mr1063411wed.90.1313608820450; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.13.1 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:20:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: Evan Busch To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Is the forum dead? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:51:25 -0000 I have a confirmation link from the vBulletin software asking me to go to http://forums.freebsd.org/ Yet this host appears to be down and has been since last night. Who do I ask about this? Or is this an unannounced scheduled downtime? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 17 20:04:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69471065678 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:04:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rjgonzale@estrads.com.ar) Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AC718FC17 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:04:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 32521 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2011 20:04:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box511.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.111) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2011 20:04:23 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=estrads.com.ar; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=GzTK4nRLjFljGoKyfW0yq8LJq8Gt8jfjsg7p/D2CiJQ=; b=g1WPaA72YWe9TdIvU67QzQjIwNV9zn+s/IwVdfbrkSSZh6XOHmd6o/RgEVOoGbEMTDdQUSujOhZsEn0ytE0vBwJCVIsdnt2IDlkoSxC8rws6XQU7cMoqDBEcxTBDEcmg; Received: from 20-72-231-201.fibertel.com.ar ([201.231.72.20] helo=localhost.localdomain) by box511.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1QtmLe-0006Bv-F5; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:04:22 -0600 Message-ID: <4E4C1EC1.1090907@estrads.com.ar> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 17:04:17 -0300 From: Rodrigo Gonzalez User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110707 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Evan Busch References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {32647:box511.bluehost.com:gonosade:estrads.com.ar} {sentby:smtp auth 201.231.72.20 authed with rjgonzale@estrads.com.ar} Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is the forum dead? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:04:24 -0000 On 08/17/2011 04:20 PM, Evan Busch wrote: > I have a confirmation link from the vBulletin software asking me to go to > > http://forums.freebsd.org/ > > Yet this host appears to be down and has been since last night. I've just connected to forums without any problem > > Who do I ask about this? Or is this an unannounced scheduled downtime? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 17 20:08:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CED2E106567A for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:08:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ulrich@pukruppa.de) Received: from pukruppa.de (pd95cabe3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.92.171.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A598FC08 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:08:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pukruppa.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pukruppa.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7HKBubM020710 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:11:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ulrich@pukruppa.de) Message-ID: <4E4C208C.2090209@pukruppa.de> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:11:56 +0200 From: "Kruppa, Peter Ulrich" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110728 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Is the forum dead? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:08:03 -0000 Am 17.08.2011 21:20, schrieb Evan Busch: > I have a confirmation link from the vBulletin software asking me to go to > > http://forums.freebsd.org/ Seems to be up and running. Greetings Peter. > > Yet this host appears to be down and has been since last night. > > Who do I ask about this? Or is this an unannounced scheduled downtime? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Peter Ulrich Kruppa Wuppertal Germany From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 17 20:08:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7237B106564A for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:08:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3FC8FC13 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:08:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vhoffman-macbooklocal.local ([10.10.10.20]) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7HK84Q5009645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 21:08:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <4E4C1FA5.5040205@unsane.co.uk> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 21:08:05 +0100 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Is the forum dead? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:08:06 -0000 On 17/08/2011 20:20, Evan Busch wrote: > I have a confirmation link from the vBulletin software asking me to go to > > http://forums.freebsd.org/ > > Yet this host appears to be down and has been since last night. > > Who do I ask about this? Or is this an unannounced scheduled downtime? http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/forums.freebsd.org Just down for you perhaps? Vince > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 17 20:20:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E941106564A for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:20:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from antiequality@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C61C8FC0C for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:20:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyh15 with SMTP id 15so1190141wyh.13 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:20:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gAVOgSPv6U/ZstawFcW3c9RGaWkChpbpWsoPgkPk2+A=; b=Ta5xEl7j0zT/GlqOLpIAy/Sg6Ul0SLMy4HMQtDzcLhR5dtbyzhifSSEZMVc7c0iX7W cr30Y0Hj05gV+8lt5wNyjTQ6aOvTmecvPsCu6A0AF/h8pnfWpn+SRu0HofZu8ztzDocF DR5dEGhLKyBYlU0EPvn3HymFkwA4mgg8j2Kd8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.133.197 with SMTP id q47mr4353430wei.90.1313612434023; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.13.1 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:20:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E4C1FA5.5040205@unsane.co.uk> References: <4E4C1FA5.5040205@unsane.co.uk> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:20:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: Evan Busch To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Is the forum dead? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:20:35 -0000 Probably not just me: 6 28 ms 28 ms 28 ms ggr6.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.139.113] 7 28 ms 29 ms 28 ms 192.205.36.178 8 53 ms 223 ms 223 ms te4-8.ccr02.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.1.23] But definitely a problem with the intermediate connections. Thanks for confirming it's alive. On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Vincent Hoffman wrote: > On 17/08/2011 20:20, Evan Busch wrote: >> I have a confirmation link from the vBulletin software asking me to go to >> >> http://forums.freebsd.org/ >> >> Yet this host appears to be down and has been since last night. >> >> Who do I ask about this? Or is this an unannounced scheduled downtime? > > http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/forums.freebsd.org > Just down for you perhaps? > > > Vince >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 18 08:34:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541DA106566B for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 08:34:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hskuhra@fastmail.fm) Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (out2.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EFCA8FC15 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 08:34:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.44]) by gateway1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B622B21981 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 04:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 18 Aug 2011 04:34:46 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; s=smtpout; bh=P8uk8GT6P1NBALSxL2fFfbqyv+A=; b=W2sKQvnI/oPN886CJNr9mlhxJ8Ty kXs9LUAWPRbHJXlBULtzec9UlIRAsAtg9xfk6tzBNnCAYuaNg9wcKMbiBt/V3IiV HNv9FH/IO6vgcbvDt8j8lHY0kQqe8ddwzKp8VC/uSHPC+HlMD0+Q2PUPj/fJMFvy RFRCxoStkP40uLI= X-Sasl-enc: RNXsSW0SmNA/cfhjDa0nCfkiU4Aq2JbUNT5VbNMnYdUn 1313656486 Received: from oslo.ath.cx (d91-130-181-115.cust.tele2.at [91.130.181.115]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 311DE41F644 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 04:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:34:44 +0200 Message-ID: <8739gzdsnv.wl%hskuhra@fastmail.fm> From: "Herbert J. Skuhra" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1a08a251-1098-443a-8597-3deedfc1e245@email.android.com> References: <1a08a251-1098-443a-8597-3deedfc1e245@email.android.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?UTF-8?B?R29qxY0=?=) APEL/10.8 Emacs/23.3.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Unable to build the print/lyx port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 08:34:48 -0000 On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:55:42 -1000 Open Slate Project wrote: > I was unsuccessful in posting directly so I am forwarding from another account. Apologies for format. > > Gary Dunn wrote: > > >FreeBSD Questions > > > > > >Unable to build the print/lyx port. Generic kernal, fresh portsnap > >fetch / > >update cycle. > > > >$ uname -a > >FreeBSD my.host.name 8.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Feb 18 > >02:24:46 > >UTC 2011 root@almeida.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > >i386 > > > >portinstall lyx > >After long run, picking up output near end: > > > >... > >gmake[4]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/print/lyx/work/lyx-2.0.0/src' > > CXX Author.o > > CXX Bidi.o > > CXX boost.o > > CXX BranchList.o > > CXX Buffer.o > > CXX buffer_funcs.o > > CXX BufferList.o > > CXX BufferParams.o > > CXX BufferView.o > > CXX Bullet.o > > CXX Changes.o > > CXX Chktex.o > > CXX CmdDef.o > > CXX Color.o > > CXX ConverterCache.o > >ConverterCache.cpp:83: warning: 'lyx::FormatCache' has a field > >'lyx::FormatCache::cache' whose type uses the anonymous namespace > > CXX Converter.o > > CXX CoordCache.o > >... (omitted long list of similar lines) > > CXX PersonalWordList.o > > CXX PrinterParams.o > > CXX Thesaurus.o > > AR liblyxcore.a > > AR liblyxgraphics.a > > AR liblyxmathed.a > > AR liblyxinsets.a > > CXXLD lyx > >/usr/bin/ld: warning: libicuuc.so.46, needed by > >/usr/local/lib/libboost_regex.so, not found (try using -rpath or > >-rpath-link) > >/usr/bin/ld: warning: libicui18n.so.46, needed by > >/usr/local/lib/libboost_regex.so, not found (try using -rpath or > >-rpath-link) > >/usr/bin/ld: warning: libicudata.so.46, needed by > >/usr/local/lib/libboost_regex.so, not found (try using -rpath or > >-rpath-link) > >/usr/local/lib/libboost_regex.so: undefined reference to > >`icu_46::Locale::Locale()' > >/usr/local/lib/libboost_regex.so: undefined reference to > >`icu_46::Locale::Locale(icu_46::Locale const&)' > >/usr/local/lib/libboost_regex.so: undefined reference to `u_isblank_46' > >/usr/local/lib/libboost_regex.so: undefined reference to `u_isspace_46' > >/usr/local/lib/libboost_regex.so: undefined reference to `u_digit_46' > >/usr/local/lib/libboost_regex.so: undefined reference to > >`u_charType_46' > >/usr/local/lib/libboost_regex.so: undefined reference to `u_tolower_46' > >/usr/local/lib/libboost_regex.so: undefined reference to > >`u_charFromName_46' > >/usr/local/lib/libboost_regex.so: undefined reference to > >`icu_46::Locale::~Locale()' > >/usr/local/lib/libboost_regex.so: undefined reference to > >`icu_46::Collator::createInstance(icu_46::Locale const&, UErrorCode&)' > >gmake[4]: *** [lyx] Error 1 > >gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/print/lyx/work/lyx-2.0.0/src' > >gmake[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > >gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/print/lyx/work/lyx-2.0.0/src' > >gmake[2]: *** [all] Error 2 > >gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/print/lyx/work/lyx-2.0.0/src' > >gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > >gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/print/lyx/work/lyx-2.0.0' > >gmake: *** [all] Error 2 > >*** Error code 1 > > > >Stop in /usr/ports/print/lyx. > >*** Error code 1 > > > >Stop in /usr/ports/print/lyx. > >** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa > >/tmp/portinstall20110808-84103-1lft56n-0 env make > >** Fix the problem and try again. > >** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) > >! print/lyx (linker error) > >$ > > > >I have icu version 4.8, looks like libboost is looking for 4.6. Or is > >the > >problem with boost? > > > >$ pkg_info | grep icu > >icu-4.8.1 International Components for Unicode (from IBM) > > > >$ pkg_version -v | grep boost-libs > >boost-libs-1.45.0_1 = up-to-date with port > > > >Anyone have this working? Have you tried to rebuild devel/boost-libs first? If that doesn't help use sysutils/libchk to find files linked against the old icu port and 'pkg_info -W file' to find the port the file belongs to. Rebuild these ports as well. -Herbert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 18 09:41:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7573A1065670 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:41:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hugo@barafranca.com) Received: from mail.barafranca.com (mail.barafranca.com [67.213.67.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93798FC1B for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [172.16.100.24]) by mail.barafranca.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C6E212 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:23:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at barafranca.com Received: from mail.barafranca.com ([172.16.100.24]) by localhost (mail.barafranca.com [172.16.100.24]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9LvE6ovsE09U for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:22:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.1] (a89-152-172-232.cpe.netcabo.pt [89.152.172.232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.barafranca.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2490320C for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4E4CD9D7.1020306@barafranca.com> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:22:31 +0100 From: Hugo Silva User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Can *you* UFS snapshot a filesystem with 9.0-BETA1? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:41:56 -0000 I'm wondering. On a virtual machine (amd64 HVM+PV), it's crashing every time. Not sure if this is SNAFU, as I had never used ufs snapshots on freebsd before. After running mksnap_ffs, ssh stops working (a telnet session doesn't show the sshd banner). The ssh session where the command was run from stops responding, the webserver dies and xm console'ing from the dom0 works, but the VM is unresponsive (ie no login prompt on ENTER). Anyone else seeing the same? Regards, Hugo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 18 09:46:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D6B1106566B for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:46:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gsstoller@optonline.net) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57E38FC16 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:46:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wm1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (wm1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.10.7]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0LQ4009HWB60NZE0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 05:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [68.196.141.30] by webtop.webmail.optimum.net with HTTP; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 05:46:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 05:46:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Gerald Stoller X-Originating-IP: [68.196.141.30] To: questions FreeBSD , mail25@bzerk.org Message-id: <4510744.2984306.1313660808301.JavaMail.gsstoller@mail.srv.nantny1.cv.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-SID: 7 X-Authuserid: gsstoller@optonline.net User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Cc: Subject: Re: single user login X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:46:50 -0000 I tried 2 of the suggested solutions, first the one that said when I get the "#" prompt I should type in "boot -s" and the second that when I get to the "ok" prompt I should type in "boot -s". With the first I got the response "boot: permission denied", and with the second I go to the the regular boot sequence ending in "press enter to go to ..." and going to the regular login (although not getting there because a variable [I introduced] is used but not set). I'm thinking of getting a boot floppy or CDROM (I'll look to see if I already have one) and getting in that way. I remember creating a copy of ksh that is owned by root for emergency stuff, I'll try to get to it. Where is find ? Is it in /bin ? On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 4:38 AM, Ruben de Groot wrote: > On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 05:09:07PM +0200, Bernt Hansson typed: >> 2011-08-16 03:21, Gerald Stoller skrev: >>> I booted up my FreeBSD system and it never presented me with a >>> "Boot: >>> " prompt. >>> Maybe that is because my system is old (remember I haven't used it >>> for >>> years), >>> its version # is 4.3 or 4.7 (I have 2 versions on my hard disk). >>> My >>> system >>> went through a bunch of boot/recovery/initialization steps and then >>> went >>> to the >>> login: prompt. When I tried to interrupt it, I got to a >>> primitive >>> system that >>> used an ok prompt, and "help" tells you all (I believe) the >>> commands >>> that it >>> accepts and can perform. >> >> Restart the machine and wait for the boot loader menu. >> Then choose "boot freebsd in single user mode" > > I don't recall there was a boot loader menu in FreeBSD 4.x > Just interupt boot by pressing a key, giving you the OK prompt. Then > boot -s > to go to single user mode (if that's what you want) > > -- > Ruben From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 18 12:20:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47DBD1065676 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:20:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vmiller@verisign.com) Received: from exprod6og114.obsmtp.com (exprod6og114.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B970D8FC14 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:20:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from peregrine.verisign.com ([216.168.239.74]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob114.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKTk0Dm8rSfA3H3gC2WiFmU+PCH+xNHD8b@postini.com; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 05:20:44 PDT Received: from dul1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (dul1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.138]) by peregrine.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id p7ICKgvn026811 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 08:20:43 -0400 Received: from dul1wnexcn04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.12.139]) by dul1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 18 Aug 2011 08:20:42 -0400 Received: from BRN1WNEXCAS01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.173.152.205]) by dul1wnexcn04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 18 Aug 2011 08:20:42 -0400 Received: from BRN1WNEXCAS02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (10.173.152.206) by brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (10.173.152.205) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.289.1; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 08:20:11 -0400 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.01.0289.001; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 08:20:41 -0400 From: "Miller, Vincent (Rick)" To: FreeBSD Thread-Topic: Did a patch get overwritten? Thread-Index: AQHMXaEsuNujLkQBHEG0zzuseyRjhA== Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:20:41 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.12.0.110505 x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2011 12:20:42.0674 (UTC) FILETIME=[3FB36120:01CC5DA1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Did a patch get overwritten? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:20:45 -0000 Hello all, I have a patch that I applied to the FreeBSD source in /usr/src/. I then e= xecuted a make buildworld that succeeded. I ran make release to generate m= edia. However, it looks as though the driver I patched was updated by CVS = during the make release process as seen in the make release output. Did it= , indeed, overwrite the source I patched with what was available on the CVS= server? If so, at what point do I need to modify the source so that I can build a n= ew release with this driver patch? =3D=3D Vincent (Rick) Miller Systems Engineer vmiller@Verisign.com t: 703-948-4395 21345 Ridgetop Cir Dulles, VA 20166 VerisignInc.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 18 14:35:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12E6106564A for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:35:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hskuhra@fastmail.fm) Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (out2.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E1F58FC14 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:35:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.44]) by gateway1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F200A22941 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:35:06 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; s=smtpout; bh=gNE0tJCPqcVINXCLNnTsODD7WFk=; b=afTYiT1mPoUeSjK1yCS3fjmLWT5S 5Vk74eSbI36N6duhjFo7bVKfCQ3FT7kYtEDbcbzo0KfgBoHZMq1i7IOgnBZkUNtg 5/vdRKTV/R8bGJk0DYpgzq2Gz36o8+/KC270km+pG5b8+Eds5wMCJnMEuPyew6Hc jXia0fUE8Q+dTt0= X-Sasl-enc: CNuMYTzj82tTrahre+6APTfb2B6+CbjDSoV8fmkWxO3F 1313678106 Received: from oslo.ath.cx (d91-130-181-115.cust.tele2.at [91.130.181.115]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9471541FA5B for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 16:35:06 +0200 Message-ID: <87liuq4wkl.wl%hskuhra@fastmail.fm> From: "Herbert J. Skuhra" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?UTF-8?B?R29qxY0=?=) APEL/10.8 Emacs/23.3.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Did a patch get overwritten? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:35:07 -0000 On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:20:41 +0000 "Miller, Vincent (Rick)" wrote: > Hello all, > > I have a patch that I applied to the FreeBSD source in /usr/src/. I > then executed a make buildworld that succeeded. I ran make release > to generate media. However, it looks as though the driver I patched > was updated by CVS during the make release process as seen in the > make release output. Did it, indeed, overwrite the source I patched > with what was available on the CVS server? > > If so, at what point do I need to modify the source so that I can > build a new release with this driver patch? man 7 release Check EXTSRCDIR. -Herbert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 18 14:44:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA1171065672 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:44:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vmiller@verisign.com) Received: from exprod6og113.obsmtp.com (exprod6og113.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386728FC16 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from peregrine.verisign.com ([216.168.239.74]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob113.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKTk0lLrycLOGJmk7G5RCfUmgeAFX3a8M3@postini.com; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 07:44:01 PDT Received: from dul1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (dul1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.138]) by peregrine.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id p7IEhvWi005680; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:43:57 -0400 Received: from dul1wnexcn04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.12.139]) by dul1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:43:57 -0400 Received: from BRN1WNEXCAS01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.173.152.205]) by dul1wnexcn04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:43:57 -0400 Received: from BRN1WNEXCAS02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (10.173.152.206) by brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (10.173.152.205) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.289.1; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:43:25 -0400 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.01.0289.001; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:43:56 -0400 From: "Miller, Vincent (Rick)" To: "Herbert J. Skuhra" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Thread-Topic: Did a patch get overwritten? Thread-Index: AQHMXaEsuNujLkQBHEG0zzuseyRjhJUi79cA//+/aIA= Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:43:55 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <87liuq4wkl.wl%hskuhra@fastmail.fm> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.12.0.110505 x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <59B5539048DC43488917209709F142FB@verisign.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2011 14:43:57.0432 (UTC) FILETIME=[42935F80:01CC5DB5] Cc: Subject: Re: Did a patch get overwritten? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:44:01 -0000 Awesome! Thanks Herbert! I thought I was intimately familiar with that manpage as much as I'd read it this week. Apparently, not intimately enough. I appreciate you pointing that out for me. =3D=3D Vincent (Rick) Miller Systems Engineer vmiller@Verisign.com t: 703-948-4395 21345 Ridgetop Cir Dulles, VA 20166 VerisignInc.com =20 On 8/18/11 10:35 AM, "Herbert J. Skuhra" wrote: >On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:20:41 +0000 >"Miller, Vincent (Rick)" wrote: > >> Hello all, >>=20 >> I have a patch that I applied to the FreeBSD source in /usr/src/. I >> then executed a make buildworld that succeeded. I ran make release >> to generate media. However, it looks as though the driver I patched >> was updated by CVS during the make release process as seen in the >> make release output. Did it, indeed, overwrite the source I patched >> with what was available on the CVS server? >>=20 >> If so, at what point do I need to modify the source so that I can >> build a new release with this driver patch? > >man 7 release > >Check EXTSRCDIR. > >-Herbert >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 18 16:36:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62DDC106566B for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 16:36:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexus@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f45.google.com (mail-pz0-f45.google.com [209.85.210.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C2548FC14 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 16:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33so5389384pzk.18 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:36:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ANKyy7zRfuIu7fpidROBmAAxc5qmY+cq84d9dFofOZo=; b=raEGfDVsuxtCsVm001geBZoIrnJ0bmDh7ootH8DuKHze3Ur9lRxqCA9IsQKumLchR4 kkYyU9ynauZd8AKtD3d13a/13rmpWakGryiKlJ4P/Aby1XTHgMAMPC+3TEh6xhzgjfTt q3+vO49NGt7tGKh1fAXJWJkhE5BdJGHxUZiWA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.97.16 with SMTP id z16mr488031wfl.357.1313685387402; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.60.164 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:36:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <033753EAA5A5EE53C17333A5@utd71538.utdallas.edu> References: <033753EAA5A5EE53C17333A5@utd71538.utdallas.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:36:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: alexus To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: looking for a spammer/virii/malware .... on my system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 16:36:29 -0000 ok su-3.2# tcpdump -nnAvvvw webmail.west.cox.net 'dst host 68.6.19.1 and (dst port 80 or 443)' tcpdump: listening on bce0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 96 by= tes Got 0 let's see what I capture... On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Paul Schmehl wr= ote: > --On August 15, 2011 2:04:27 PM -0400 alexus wrote: > >> I personally leaning towards that these headers are being modified and >> that there is no spam leaving my box (I may be wrong of couse) >> >> here is what I did to come up with that thought.... >> >> I sent myself an email >> > > The tcpdump command that Chuck gave you is all you need. =C2=A0*If* all t= raffic > exits your network through your box, you will see anything going to port = 25 > *anywhere*. =C2=A0That should tell you quickly what the problem is, if th= ere is > one. > > -- > Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst > As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions > are my own and not those of my employer. > ******************************************* > "It is as useless to argue with those who have > renounced the use of reason as to administer > medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson > "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very > intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell > > --=20 http://alexus.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 18 16:42:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D782A106564A for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 16:42:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout027.mac.com (asmtpout027.mac.com [17.148.16.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6968FC0A for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 16:42:15 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp027.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-18.01 64bit (built Jul 15 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LQ40018YUEEJA50@asmtp027.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:42:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-08-18_06:2011-08-18, 2011-08-18, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1108180153 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:42:14 -0700 Message-id: References: <033753EAA5A5EE53C17333A5@utd71538.utdallas.edu> To: alexus X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looking for a spammer/virii/malware .... on my system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 16:42:15 -0000 On Aug 18, 2011, at 9:36 AM, alexus wrote: > su-3.2# tcpdump -nnAvvvw webmail.west.cox.net 'dst host 68.6.19.1 and > (dst port 80 or 443)' > tcpdump: listening on bce0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 96 bytes > Got 0 > > let's see what I capture... You're going to capture traffic of people reading webmail from Cox.net. However, as much as that might be interesting, it is not useful for detecting outbound spam from a machine or network.... Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 18 17:02:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08C961065673 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:02:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexus@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1B58FC13 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:01:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywo32 with SMTP id 32so1896104ywo.13 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:01:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=wR/lrKlDecKWbSLvlfby5SMlSU9SAndyCzyOai6DoCo=; b=wc3sCHETvaNY3UK/y0wkGEp4TUU9/+bshP5dGttb7t7JgOiSF+5CUgX7q6Ndg9rRFg jIeMlhGs3Z+3owCuNAUk2Nx9BvGKQlgtplCATVTMWnw+Y+YNG7bqiGqn8qg5ZbHhDpfc s/xU97+m5ldhWthwTgR3G+3wq9sTuYwqGsHZo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.97.16 with SMTP id z16mr499643wfl.357.1313686918670; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.60.164 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:01:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <033753EAA5A5EE53C17333A5@utd71538.utdallas.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 13:01:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: alexus To: Chuck Swiger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looking for a spammer/virii/malware .... on my system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:02:00 -0000 right, but what seems to be (according to headers) someone makes a connection from my box to theirs over the web (80/443) so i'm going see if I can see anything, if not then i'll keep it blocked until I figure out something else to find who does that... On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Aug 18, 2011, at 9:36 AM, alexus wrote: >> su-3.2# tcpdump -nnAvvvw webmail.west.cox.net 'dst host 68.6.19.1 and >> (dst port 80 or 443)' >> tcpdump: listening on bce0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 96 bytes >> Got 0 >> >> let's see what I capture... > > You're going to capture traffic of people reading webmail from Cox.net. > > However, as much as that might be interesting, it is not useful > for detecting outbound spam from a machine or network.... > > Regards, > -- > -Chuck > > -- http://alexus.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 18 19:05:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D792A106566B for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:05:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D6AA8FC20 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:05:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so2005416gxk.13 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:05:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.134.8 with SMTP id ia8mr1130642icc.113.1313694328565; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.231.13.203 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:05:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110811233804.GC6585@eggman.experts-exchange.com> References: <20110811233804.GC6585@eggman.experts-exchange.com> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:05:28 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: hKa-wsUxqQBdtNmxErkRYpk9ce0 Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: Jason Helfman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: ports make search not working in jails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:05:30 -0000 On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Jason Helfman wrote: > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 11:05:14AM -0400, Alejandro Imass thus spake: >> >> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Alejandro Imass wrote: >>> >>> Hi, [...] > > But does make search now work? > Today I noticed something interesting... If you SSH to the jail you get this when you try to make fetchindex: fetch: /var/ports/INDEX-8.bz2: open(): No such file or directory But is you jexec to the jail as root from the host then it fetches the index without any problems. It may be related to EzJail only because of the way it sets up the ports tree, the basejail and all that. But it may help other people with similar problems when using ports make search in jails. -- Alejandro Imass > -jgh > > -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 18 22:35:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74F2106564A for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:35:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clinton.adams@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D6A8FC0C for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:35:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so1342269ewy.13 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:35:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=owMIqZvnRjokqXAz3ySMbHSwLeFt03L3nNJxAcik+EE=; b=TMOv5rqWlL4CJgPyK3ahTocBnf4+tFk/+v1xaU+1yVUt/AVoqnxpKrMZNFhuUbOTVf PevOq0ldelyn/BqAb/gXP0fIXNiCODFZtL1981vw3ycoHPxvOqOMBJwAbs8zT8zWHPdW 22xiDaQIiDUyI7MuuNsh1Et0bXyJPX8PcR9G4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.146.14 with SMTP id q14mr489505eej.82.1313706927318; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.37.131 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:35:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:35:27 -0700 Message-ID: From: Clinton Adams To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: kernel panics involving NFS+RPCSEC_GSS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:35:29 -0000 On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Clinton Adams wrote: > Hello, > > Kernel panics if clients hit the nfs server sufficiently hard - > happens repeatedly with 13 clients logging in at the same approximate > time, using nfsv4 mounted homes. > > server is running freebsd 8.2-RELEASE-p2. clients are linux 2.6.38-10 > > Running a memtest on the server now to rule out bad mem. The server > has been used for samba, and it's only with the attempted switch to > nfs that this problem has appeared. > Err, wrong paste from another forum. Here's the trace from my server: Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode cpuid = 0; cpuid = 2; apic id = 00apic id = 06 fault virtual address = 0x0 fault virtual address = 0x8 fault code = supervisor write data, page not present fault code = supervisor read data, page not present instruction pointer = 0x20:0xffffffff807db856 instruction pointer = 0x20:0xffffffff807dc0d7 stack pointer = 0x28:0xffffff8096c0d840 stack pointer = 0x28:0xffffff8096c17860 frame pointer = 0x28:0xffffff8096c0d860 frame pointer = 0x28:0xffffff8096c17a80 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1 = DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1 processor eflags = processor eflags = interrupt enabled, interrupt enabled, resume, resume, IOPL = 0IOPL = 0 current process = current process = 765 (nfsd: service)765 (nfsd: service) trap number = 12 trap number = 12 panic: page fault cpuid = 1 Uptime: 3h22m48s Physical memory: 2032 MB Dumping 406 MB: 391 375 359 343 327 311 295 279 263 247 231 215 199 183 167 151 135 119 103 87 71 55 39 23 7 Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/linux.ko...done. Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/linux.ko Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/nfscommon.ko...done. Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/nfscommon.ko Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/nfsd.ko...done. Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/nfsd.ko Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/snp.ko...done. Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/snp.ko #0 doadump () at pcpu.h:224 224 __asm("movq %%gs:0,%0" : "=r" (td)); (kgdb) list *0xffffffff807db856 0xffffffff807db856 is in svc_rpc_gss_forget_client (/usr/src/sys/rpc/rpcsec_gss/svc_rpcsec_gss.c:622). 617 struct svc_rpc_gss_client_list *list; 618 619 list = &svc_rpc_gss_client_hash[client->cl_id.ci_id % CLIENT_HASH_SIZE]; 620 sx_xlock(&svc_rpc_gss_lock); 621 TAILQ_REMOVE(list, client, cl_link); 622 TAILQ_REMOVE(&svc_rpc_gss_clients, client, cl_alllink); 623 svc_rpc_gss_client_count--; 624 sx_xunlock(&svc_rpc_gss_lock); 625 svc_rpc_gss_release_client(client); 626 } (kgdb) backtrace #0 doadump () at pcpu.h:224 #1 0xffffffff805cbabe in boot (howto=260) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:419 #2 0xffffffff805cbed3 in panic (fmt=0x0) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:592 #3 0xffffffff808d239d in trap_fatal (frame=0xffffff0004c89460, eva=Variable "eva" is not available. ) at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/trap.c:783 #4 0xffffffff808d275f in trap_pfault (frame=0xffffff8096c0d790, usermode=0) at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/trap.c:699 #5 0xffffffff808d2b5f in trap (frame=0xffffff8096c0d790) at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/trap.c:449 #6 0xffffffff808bada4 in calltrap () at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/exception.S:224 #7 0xffffffff807db856 in svc_rpc_gss_forget_client (client=0xffffff001c015200) at atomic.h:158 #8 0xffffffff807dc0e3 in svc_rpc_gss (rqst=0xffffff0004a24000, msg=0xffffff8096c0db20) at /usr/src/sys/rpc/rpcsec_gss/svc_rpcsec_gss.c:642 #9 0xffffffff807d48f3 in svc_run_internal (pool=0xffffff0004ca6200, ismaster=0) at /usr/src/sys/rpc/svc.c:837 #10 0xffffffff807d50ab in svc_thread_start (arg=Variable "arg" is not available. ) at /usr/src/sys/rpc/svc.c:1200 #11 0xffffffff805a26f8 in fork_exit (callout=0xffffffff807d50a0 , arg=0xffffff0004ca6200, frame=0xffffff8096c0dc40) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_fork.c:845 #12 0xffffffff808bb26e in fork_trampoline () at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/exception.S:565 #13 0x0000000000000080 in ?? () #14 0x00007fffffffe6e0 in ?? () #15 0x000000000000002e in ?? () #16 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #17 0xfffffffffffffef4 in ?? () #18 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #19 0x000000000000009b in ?? () #20 0x00007fffffffe6e0 in ?? () #21 0x0000000000000008 in ?? () #22 0x0000000000000003 in ?? () #23 0x00000000ffffffff in ?? () #24 0x00007fffffffe700 in ?? () #25 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #26 0x0000000000000001 in ?? () #27 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #28 0x001b00130000000c in ?? () #29 0x00007fffffffffe8 in ?? () #30 0x003b003b00000001 in ?? () #31 0x0000000000000002 in ?? () #32 0x00000008006a045c in ?? () #33 0x0000000000000043 in ?? () #34 0x0000000000000202 in ?? () #35 0x00007fffffffe6a8 in ?? () #36 0x000000000000003b in ?? () #37 0xffffffff80c96840 in affinity () #38 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #39 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #40 0xffffff0004b2a000 in ?? () #41 0xffffff8096c0cd90 in ?? () #42 0xffffff8096c0cd38 in ?? () #43 0xffffff000488f000 in ?? () #44 0xffffffff805f1379 in sched_switch (td=0xffffffff807d50a0, newtd=0xffffff0004ca6200, flags=Variable "flags" is not available. ) at /usr/src/sys/kern/sched_ule.c:1852 Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 18 22:43:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71CC1106566C for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:43:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo102.cox.net (eastrmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A8278FC14 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:43:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20110818224347.CSBE3919.eastrmfepo102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:43:47 -0400 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.83.25]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id Myjn1h0030YnB6A02yjnDY; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:43:47 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020B.4E4D95A3.0105,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=aUFDW8FZeteuO/fxyvToEy2C7OWB/cKxsZjvUqUod7E= c=1 sm=1 a=uINLokencTEA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=2vO5UZG1h46htWAnE/rx2g==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=aZ6KmaCnPntlBZQv5tYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=2vO5UZG1h46htWAnE/rx2g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7IMhkqP098533 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:43:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:43:41 -0500 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20110818174341.65a0859b@cox.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Enabling gjournal without destroying a filesystem? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:43:53 -0000 Is there any way to enable gjournal on an already existing filesystem without destroying it? I'm assuming there are definite advantages to using gjournal over softupdates? -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 18 22:49:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28E3106566B for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:49:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566C08FC0A for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:49:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxe4 with SMTP id 4so2126929fxe.13 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:49:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=av87pNdVmbbOjb7MpovvVwn/eahTveephE4AszuTaP8=; b=p++REyTEGH6wmQTflhY9329NCrQRRGvETUI4g1SS1iqwyZQkHE3hxwCqY/V0qDaDfo gMHzwY87U0LjoEiJBECIG9/XP3LnHw3Z3zrgOydu4nQxAppvVL2uvlblnWoHQueT1Tfn +7YZjrmSdANzDJl0lWEViIC6bIiSHLFdEG2fA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.89.2 with SMTP id c2mr1818791fam.50.1313707766915; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.120.72 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:49:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110818174341.65a0859b@cox.net> References: <20110818174341.65a0859b@cox.net> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:49:26 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: "Conrad J. Sabatier" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Enabling gjournal without destroying a filesystem? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:49:29 -0000 On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > Is there any way to enable gjournal on an already existing filesystem > without destroying it? > You can't really(it can be done but requires exception circumstance). If you didn't take these steps during initial install you're best off starting from scratch. These is a guide on how to use sysinstall to create a system gjournaled from the start: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/gjournal-desktop/ > > I'm assuming there are definite advantages to using gjournal over > softupdates? > There are some positives and negatives to it. It's importance is decreasing in FreeBSD 9 as SU+J will be possible. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 18 22:51:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CA71065679 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:51:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clinton.adams@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f172.google.com (mail-ey0-f172.google.com [209.85.215.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B94738FC17 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eye4 with SMTP id 4so1399840eye.31 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:51:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=dej9I3GLYcaeIzeCfqB3Ygkq9C9LHXyEfKksuUzsbuk=; b=f0w8fZjhrN3lv6+6AAcecRshrkYDcXrBhGs8iVmFtMaFcJAXShNox2CC7cp9BOY36R IdHhYWWPX1n9DWTkAYMWmz+oZXHDgxjLReh6n2xAP8ATSYSjblbRfW8oOT5TF9PNxwIY M72zPWK7TwiAVUANqUVHceE02jLuP9aGwNF6o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.44.16 with SMTP id m16mr471905eeb.114.1313706311293; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.37.131 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:25:11 -0700 Message-ID: From: Clinton Adams To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: kernel panics involving NFS+RPCSEC_GSS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:51:06 -0000 Hello, Kernel panics if clients hit the nfs server sufficiently hard - happens repeatedly with 13 clients logging in at the same approximate time, using nfsv4 mounted homes. server is running freebsd 8.2-RELEASE-p2. clients are linux 2.6.38-10 Running a memtest on the server now to rule out bad mem. The server has been used for samba, and it's only with the attempted switch to nfs that this problem has appeared. Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode cpuid = 0; apic id = 00 fault virtual address = 0xffffff80007bd260 fault code = supervisor read data, page not present instruction pointer = 0x20:0xffffffff80e20939 stack pointer = 0x28:0xffffff80732baaa0 frame pointer = 0x28:0xffffff80732bab80 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 0 (wpi0 taskq) trap number = 12 panic: page fault cpuid = 0 Uptime: 12m21s Physical memory: 4002 MB #0 doadump () at pcpu.h:223 223 __asm __volatile("movq %%gs:0,%0" : "=r" (td)); (kgdb) list *0xffffffff80e20939 0xffffffff80e20939 is in wpi_newstate (/usr/src/sys/modules/wpi/../../dev/wpi/if_wpi.c:2453). 2448 device_printf(sc->sc_dev, "could not configure\n"); 2449 return error; 2450 } 2451 2452 /* configuration has changed, set Tx power accordingly */ 2453 if ((error = wpi_set_txpower(sc, ni->ni_chan, 1)) != 0) { 2454 device_printf(sc->sc_dev, "could not set Tx power\n"); 2455 return error; 2456 } 2457 (kgdb) backtrace #0 doadump () at pcpu.h:223 #1 0xffffffff8056f9c0 in boot (howto=260) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:416 #2 0xffffffff8056fe2d in panic (fmt=0xffffffff80917ba4 "%s") at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:579 #3 0xffffffff80842c20 in trap_fatal (frame=0xffffff0002a80740, eva=Variable "eva" is not available. ) at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/trap.c:857 #4 0xffffffff80842fcc in trap_pfault (frame=0xffffff80732ba9f0, usermode=0) at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/trap.c:773 #5 0xffffffff80843618 in trap (frame=0xffffff80732ba9f0) at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/trap.c:499 #6 0xffffffff8082a6d3 in calltrap () at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/exception.S:224 #7 0xffffffff80e20939 in wpi_newstate (vap=0xffffff0005aca000, nstate=IEEE80211_S_AUTH, arg=192) at /usr/src/sys/modules/wpi/../../dev/wpi/if_wpi.c:2482 #8 0xffffffff806517dc in ieee80211_newstate_cb (xvap=Variable "xvap" is not available. ) at /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_proto.c:1654 #9 0xffffffff805a9ded in taskqueue_run (queue=0xffffff000314cd00) at /usr/src/sys/kern/subr_taskqueue.c:239 #10 0xffffffff805aa052 in taskqueue_thread_loop (arg=Variable "arg" is not available. ) at /usr/src/sys/kern/subr_taskqueue.c:360 #11 0xffffffff80548e4d in fork_exit (callout=0xffffffff805aa00c , arg=0xffffff80003ab0b8, frame=0xffffff80732bac80) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_fork.c:843 #12 0xffffffff8082abae in fork_trampoline () at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/exception.S:561 #13 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #14 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #15 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #16 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #17 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #18 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #19 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #20 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #21 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #22 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #23 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #24 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #25 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #26 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #27 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #28 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #29 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #30 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #31 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #32 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #33 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #34 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #35 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #36 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #37 0x0000000001c71000 in ?? () #38 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #39 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #40 0xffffff000239ee40 in ?? () #41 0xffffff0003901000 in ?? () #42 0xffffff80732ba140 in ?? () #43 0xffffff80732ba0f8 in ?? () #44 0xffffff0002a80740 in ?? () #45 0xffffffff80592283 in sched_switch (td=0xffffff80003ab0b8, newtd=0xffffffff805aa00c, flags=Variable "flags" is not available. ) at /usr/src/sys/kern/sched_ule.c:1844 Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?) 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GKPqrTq4bfiWuWeoIqp23xEBSvCGrxOZWMXip2IBGRHPSihSESf5lYUocmgy iiDVoJBdTAiqEde7.p3LoWkqBZeBZJx609DNaKlaMElpDzHa60RjsMWf3N7R _aNLTzt4fpbt.ut6JWst0tWELC4MANU8SjzZVHn4gjCsabiGWi_YAs0iJ32h B9pG99Q2TLHXv1470R_88BcTSFjy9XcA.6.tPJSmS.P.hYApU9VjABim8Y.e Im.IeyndpSUu76KgpYCyge075U_UZcKYQdGLZel_oSWgZ_ggnIQVSV7e_Rrq ZkSgxOsWbBQwAxsJBjDfoW_QBGEk6rB.XQM9jFm1V.Tl.7qIIqDI_h3Kb6RF dHG4Fpy0funRuwBY6Tw-- Received: from [216.56.161.4] by web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:18:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.113.313619 Message-ID: <1313705889.77615.YahooMailNeo@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:18:09 -0700 (PDT) From: scott mcclellan To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 23:09:10 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: new to os X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: scott mcclellan List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:31:37 -0000 I'm looking to try something different with my machine (or maybe I'm going = through a midlife crisis).=0A=A0=0ACurrently run Wimdows (point and click),= and would like to gravitate back to DOS (this is a thing of the ancient pa= st for me 30 years - on a TRS-80). I know remember extremely little of OS v= ernacular.=0A=A0=0AAm I biting off more than I can chew, or is there a OS c= ommands for dummies out there, or does FreeBSD have such a critter that one= can go through.=0A=A0=0AI'll pour through the FAQ and got hrough the onlin= e manuals for now. But it all seems greek. Can someone point me in a diresc= tion to degreek this stuff for me.=0A=A0=0AThanks,=0A=A0=0AScott McClellan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 18 23:16:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF0E106566B for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 23:16:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0598FC17 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 23:16:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-64-49.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.64.49]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p7INGIcP095630; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 01:16:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <4E4D9D42.9030105@bananmonarki.se> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 01:16:18 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110817 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scott mcclellan References: <1313705889.77615.YahooMailNeo@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1313705889.77615.YahooMailNeo@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: new to os X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 23:16:23 -0000 On 2011-08-19 00:18, scott mcclellan wrote: > I'm looking to try something different with my machine (or maybe I'm going through a midlife crisis). > > Currently run Wimdows (point and click), and would like to gravitate back to DOS (this is a thing of the ancient past for me 30 years - on a TRS-80). I know remember extremely little of OS vernacular. > > Am I biting off more than I can chew, or is there a OS commands for dummies out there, or does FreeBSD have such a critter that one can go through. > > I'll pour through the FAQ and got hrough the online manuals for now. But it all seems greek. Can someone point me in a diresction to degreek this stuff for me. > > Thanks, What exactly is it you want to do? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 18 23:21:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664DA106564A for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 23:21:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BAA28FC0C for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 23:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-15-138.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.15.138]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974983E1E5; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 01:21:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7INLsaQ004007; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 01:21:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 01:21:54 +0200 From: Polytropon To: scott mcclellan Message-Id: <20110819012154.3c9e76aa.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1313705889.77615.YahooMailNeo@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1313705889.77615.YahooMailNeo@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: new to os X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 23:21:57 -0000 On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:18:09 -0700 (PDT), scott mcclellan wrote: > I'm looking to try something different with my machine (or > maybe I'm going through a midlife crisis). Pick FreeBSD as an OS, it will be a benefit for your UNIX skills and your productivity, as well as for your opinion about learning in general. :-) > Currently run Wimdows (point and click), and would like to > gravitate back to DOS (this is a thing of the ancient past > for me 30 years - on a TRS-80). I know remember extremely > little of OS vernacular. Oh you mean _that_ DOS, not the real DOS which is much older than 30 years, even older than me! :-) Furthermore, I always thought the TRS-80 ran CP/M, not DOS, but I could be wrong as I (1st) didn't do any research on it (first sin!) and (2nd) don't own one so I could check. > Am I biting off more than I can chew, or is there a OS > commands for dummies out there, or does FreeBSD have such a > critter that one can go through. FreeBSD allows you to run PC emulators that you can install and run DOS on. Furthermore, there's the doscmd port. Have a look at the content of /usr/ports/emulators and see what fits your needs. The traditional command line interpreters in DOS, e. g. COMMAND.COM, as well as the binaries itself give you some help. A system with better documentation is Norton's NDOS, which has also a more flexible command line interpreter, still being fully compatible. There are even free DOS operating systems that you can run by a means that FreeBSD provides as a "host OS". > I'll pour through the FAQ and got hrough the online manuals > for now. But it all seems greek. Can someone point me in a > diresction to degreek this stuff for me. If you can be more specific, using a more precise question? At this point, it's mostly guess work, at least to me. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 18 23:22:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F186106564A for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 23:22:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rodperson@rodperson.com) Received: from www6.pairlite.com (www6.pairlite.com [64.130.10.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5678FC15 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 23:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from atomizer (pool-72-77-28-206.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net [72.77.28.206]) by www6.pairlite.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 06B7DB803; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:22:54 -0400 From: Rod Person To: scott mcclellan Message-Id: <20110818192254.0d5a0f91.rodperson@rodperson.com> In-Reply-To: <1313705889.77615.YahooMailNeo@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1313705889.77615.YahooMailNeo@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: new to os X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 23:22:53 -0000 On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:18:09 -0700 (PDT) scott mcclellan wrote: > I'm looking to try something different with my machine (or maybe I'm > going through a midlife crisis). > Currently run Wimdows (point and click), and would like to gravitate > back to DOS (this is a thing of the ancient past for me 30 years - on > a TRS-80). Ah, I remember those days, but FreeBSD's is not based on DOS, it based on Unix. If you want to relive DOS I'd suggest try FreeDOS http://www.freedos.org/ -- Rod Person http://www.rodperson.com "It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma..." Winston Chruchill From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 18 23:56:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AA14106566C for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 23:56:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B12088FC0A for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 23:56:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7INu8fD006421; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 00:56:08 +0100 Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (host-92-22-141-130.as13285.net [92.22.141.130]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7INu7Je006414; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 00:56:07 +0100 Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 84E4233C1F; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 00:56:07 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 00:56:07 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: scott mcclellan Message-ID: <20110818235607.GA69969@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <1313705889.77615.YahooMailNeo@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1313705889.77615.YahooMailNeo@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: new to os X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 23:56:11 -0000 --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 03:18:09PM -0700, scott mcclellan wrote: > > I'm looking to try something different with my machine (or maybe I'm > going through a midlife crisis). > > Currently run Wimdows (point and click), and would like to gravitate > back to DOS (this is a thing of the ancient past for me 30 years - > on a TRS-80). I know remember extremely little of OS vernacular. > > Am I biting off more than I can chew, or is there a OS commands for > dummies out there, or does FreeBSD have such a critter that one can > go through. > > I'll pour through the FAQ and got hrough the online manuals for now. > But it all seems greek. Can someone point me in a diresction to > degreek this stuff for me. > > Thanks, > > Scott McClellan I'll give you one tip for free: keep your line length to less than 80 chars when posting to a unix list, say 74. As for where to start, I'd probably start by buying a book or two. "Unix in a Nutshell" pub. O'Reilly comes to mind. That should familiarise yourself with most of the common commands. If you decide to use FreeBSD then the freely available Handbook is a must read: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html Any questions that can't be answered by Googling, then post here. Welcome to FreeBSD! Regards, --=20 Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk5NppYACgkQHduKvUAgeK5lKgCfYWXGatow5n2wuwHo+5nF5Ple 0pEAn0znRirtwLBng59NSTbf7UkmZz8t =vXil -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 01:22:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB881065674 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 01:22:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CCA58FC0A for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 01:22:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2D4D95C22 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:31:42 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4E4DBA9F.3010206@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:21:35 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110714 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Automounter nfs woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 01:22:06 -0000 I'm a late starter on this (been no need until now), but I'm now trying to get my laptop to run automounter/amd to work on a nfs config. I installed automounter from ports and got it working beautifully for removable devices, but nfs is eluding me. I believe my problem lies more with amd- I've run amd commands standalone (automounter disabled of course) and I can only get local mounts showing with amq -ms. Can anyone point me to some definitive information? Googling is giving me a headache with all the contradictory information out there. I would like to have say /net (or even /media- already setup for removables) populated with /net/host/export_mount. ATM I can sometimes get /net created, but its empty. Also, if I get amd to work, does this mean that automounter will use it? Or is it exclusive? Just to confirm my information... :) Cheers From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 02:37:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F16431065672 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 02:37:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D438FC15 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 02:37:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p7J2bCep008178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:37:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p7J2bCRY008177; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd81 ([192.168.200.81]) by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA12541; Thu, 18 Aug 11 19:35:37 PDT Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 02:35:18 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: conrads@cox.net Message-Id: <4e4e2e56.bMLoyidwVf4PG00s%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20110818174341.65a0859b@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20110818174341.65a0859b@cox.net> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Enabling gjournal without destroying a filesystem? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 02:37:16 -0000 "Conrad J. Sabatier" wrote: > Is there any way to enable gjournal on an already existing > filesystem without destroying it? Yes, provided the existing filesystem is not using the last block of its provider (partition), but you'll have to put the journal on a separate provider from the data. See the explanation of the -s switch in gjournal(8) to determine the necessary size of the journal provider, but don't specify -s in the "gjournal label" command because the size of the journal is implicitly set by the the size of its provider when separate from the data provider. (-s is used when a single provider is used for both journal and data.) Also read the explanation of the -f switch, but don't actually specify -f unless you are sure you know what you're doing :) Something like this [untested]: # umount [existing filesystem] # gjournal label [existing filesystem] [journal provider] # tunefs -J enable -n disable [existing filesystem].journal # mount -o async [existing filesystem].journal [mountpoint] and edit /etc/fstab accordingly. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 03:25:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B156106566B for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 03:25:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D415F8FC16 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 03:25:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.100]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EDFAE16B4AA; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:25:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:21:58 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:21:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.6dollardialup.com To: scott mcclellan In-Reply-To: <1313705889.77615.YahooMailNeo@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <1313705889.77615.YahooMailNeo@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: new to os X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 03:25:12 -0000 On Thu, 18 Aug 2011, scott mcclellan wrote: > I'm looking to try something different with my machine (or maybe I'm going >through a midlife crisis). Currently run Wimdows (point and click), and >would like to gravitate back to DOS (this is a thing of the ancient past >for me 30 years - on a TRS-80). I know remember extremely little of OS >vernacular. The main problem with DOS is lack of applications. If it was not so, I would be running it myself. You might, for example, still have your copy of WP 5 -- I do. But printers that work with the printer drivers are now museum pieces. There are work-arounds for this sort of thing -- including the hobby of maintaining ancient hardware -- but as for a working machine to do anything practical, there are stumbling blocks like this at every turn. > Am I biting off more than I can chew, or is there a OS commands for > dummies out there, or does FreeBSD have such a critter that one can go > through. Of course there are still many old DOS tutorials online in various archives and some games and stuff. But now you are asking about FreeBSD, I think. One of the virtues of all of the unix-like systems (the BSDs and Linuxices) is that there are many maintained command-line applications, and the basic stuff is well-domuented with the online manual (man command). These applications are very similar from one BSD or Linux system to another, and are often compiled from the same source code. They all have true multiprocessing so you can switch from one command line environment (virtual terminal) to another with a keystroke. They are a little short of command-line (launched) graphics programs (viewers, paint, etc.) but they have a choice of GUIs, some of which are very lightweight, when you have to have graphics, and you can switch between the GUI and a command line virtual terminal with a keystroke. > I'll pour through the FAQ and got hrough the online manuals for now. But > it all seems greek. Can someone point me in a diresction to degreek this > stuff for me. No ONE thing comes to mind. There are some web versions of the man command online, which is a good place to start. But the best thing seems to me is to find some disk space and make a small installation. Start by running #man man and go from there. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 03:45:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65565106564A for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 03:45:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from moku60.aloha50.net (moku60.aloha50.net [66.180.132.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334DB8FC17 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 03:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by moku60.aloha50.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0AF1703E; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:45:57 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <4E4DDC75.7020503@hdk5.net> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:45:57 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Eighner References: <1313705889.77615.YahooMailNeo@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: scott mcclellan , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: new to os X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: noc@hdk5.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 03:45:59 -0000 Lars Eighner wrote: > On Thu, 18 Aug 2011, scott mcclellan wrote: > >> I'm looking to try something different with my machine (or maybe I'm >> going >> through a midlife crisis). Currently run Wimdows (point and click), and >> would like to gravitate back to DOS (this is a thing of the ancient past >> for me 30 years - on a TRS-80). I know remember extremely little of OS >> vernacular. > > The main problem with DOS is lack of applications. If it was not so, > I would be running it myself. You might, for example, still have your copy > of WP 5 -- I do. But printers that work with the printer drivers are now > museum pieces. There are work-arounds for this sort of thing -- including > the hobby of maintaining ancient hardware -- but as for a working > machine to > do anything practical, there are stumbling blocks like this at every turn. > >> Am I biting off more than I can chew, or is there a OS commands for >> dummies out there, or does FreeBSD have such a critter that one can go >> through. > > Of course there are still many old DOS tutorials online in various archives > and some games and stuff. But now you are asking about FreeBSD, I think. > > One of the virtues of all of the unix-like systems (the BSDs and > Linuxices) > is that there are many maintained command-line applications, and the basic > stuff is well-domuented with the online manual (man command). These > applications are very similar from one BSD or Linux system to another, and > are often compiled from the same source code. They all have true > multiprocessing so you can switch from one command line environment > (virtual > terminal) to another with a keystroke. They are a little short of > command-line (launched) graphics programs (viewers, paint, etc.) but they > have a choice of GUIs, some of which are very lightweight, when you have to > have graphics, and you can switch between the GUI and a command line > virtual > terminal with a keystroke. > >> I'll pour through the FAQ and got hrough the online manuals for now. But >> it all seems greek. Can someone point me in a diresction to degreek this >> stuff for me. > > No ONE thing comes to mind. There are some web versions of the man command > online, which is a good place to start. But the best thing seems to me is > to find some disk space and make a small installation. Start by running > > #man man > > and go from there. > > > Aloha Lars, You mentioned WP5 in this thread. I have some docs on disks that were created in WP5. You know any FreeBSD based app like abiword that can read them for transfer to a contemporary program? -- ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 03:53:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30F1106564A for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 03:53:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B291E8FC14 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 03:53:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so2722077vws.13 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 20:53:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.24.244 with SMTP id x20mr1598496vdf.205.1313726008557; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 20:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.220.72.213 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 20:53:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110819012154.3c9e76aa.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <1313705889.77615.YahooMailNeo@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20110819012154.3c9e76aa.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 23:53:28 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: G2W-gjtEXFsaq0y-poLaTmnGAWM Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: scott mcclellan , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: new to os X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 03:53:30 -0000 On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Polytropon wrote: [...] > Furthermore, I always thought the TRS-80 ran CP/M, not DOS, > but I could be wrong as I (1st) didn't do any research on > it (first sin!) and (2nd) don't own one so I could check. > They ran many things. I had several, even an older TRS-80 Model 16, rarely knon. It had a passive backplane and 2 mother-boards. One was the traditiona Z-80 board which if I remember correctly had 2 Z-80s in a design similar to the Epson QX10. It also came with a second board with a 16bit Motorola 68000 ! You would first boot in CPM the Z80 board and the insert the Boot 16 disk which would boot-up the 68K.It was an icredible machine and software for both processors. I don't know exactly what the 68K board ran because it was kinda user-space boot. I also had the TRS-80 Color Computers which booted in BASIC, and finally the later series in the late eighties had DOS. I has one of those as well. -- Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 04:13:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20948106564A for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 04:13:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004508FC16 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 04:13:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.100]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C14B316B4AA; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 23:13:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 23:10:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 23:10:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.6dollardialup.com To: Al Plant In-Reply-To: <4E4DDC75.7020503@hdk5.net> Message-ID: References: <1313705889.77615.YahooMailNeo@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4E4DDC75.7020503@hdk5.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: scott mcclellan , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: new to os X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 04:13:35 -0000 On Thu, 18 Aug 2011, Al Plant wrote: > Aloha Lars, > > You mentioned WP5 in this thread. I have some docs on disks that were created > in WP5. You know any FreeBSD based app like abiword that can read them for > transfer to a contemporary program? I don't know of anything. If I recall correctly, abiword could open such files but made mincemeat of them - perhaps some progress has been made since I last tried. Since I still have my copy of WP5, I run it in dosbox and re-export file to a more widely supported format. This is subject to the limitations of the time, so the conversion of special characters and formating is iffy and tables are almost guaranteed to be a mess. I believe there is a dummy print driver for WP6DOS which prints WP6 documents to disc in pdf or ghostscript which can subsequently be printed to paper (or converted) with modern tools. There might be something similar for WP5, but in both cases this depends on having the original WP program to run in dosbox. Since intellectual property puts meat on my family's table, I naturally would not suggest that pirate copies of WP5 might be on the web somewhere. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 04:23:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C091065673 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 04:23:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh1.interactivevillages.com (ca.2e.7bae.static.theplanet.com [174.123.46.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62008FC0C for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 04:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 184-78-197-203.war.clearwire-wmx.net ([184.78.197.203] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh1.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QuGbp-0006aB-OU; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 21:22:42 -0700 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 18 Aug 2011 21:23:05 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 21:23:05 -0700 From: Chip Camden To: Lars Eighner Message-ID: <20110819042305.GD54831@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: Lars Eighner , Al Plant , scott mcclellan , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" References: <1313705889.77615.YahooMailNeo@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4E4DDC75.7020503@hdk5.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="eheScQNz3K90DVRs" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh1.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" , scott mcclellan , Al Plant Subject: Re: new to os X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 04:23:18 -0000 --eheScQNz3K90DVRs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Lars Eighner on Thursday, 18 August 2011: > On Thu, 18 Aug 2011, Al Plant wrote: >=20 > >Aloha Lars, > > > >You mentioned WP5 in this thread. I have some docs on disks that were=20 > >created in WP5. You know any FreeBSD based app like abiword that can rea= d=20 > >them for transfer to a contemporary program? >=20 > I don't know of anything. If I recall correctly, abiword could open such > files but made mincemeat of them - perhaps some progress has been made si= nce > I last tried. >=20 > Since I still have my copy of WP5, I run it in dosbox and re-export file = to > a more widely supported format. This is subject to the limitations of the > time, so the conversion of special characters and formating is iffy and > tables are almost guaranteed to be a mess. I believe there is a dummy pr= int > driver for WP6DOS which prints WP6 documents to disc in pdf or ghostscript > which can subsequently be printed to paper (or converted) with modern=20 > tools. There might be something similar for WP5, but in both cases this= =20 > depends on > having the original WP program to run in dosbox. >=20 > Since intellectual property puts meat on my family's table, I naturally > would not suggest that pirate copies of WP5 might be on the web somewhere. >=20 > --=20 > Lars Eighner > http://www.larseighner.com/index.html > 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" I use libreoffice to open all my old WP files. It's slow as a dog, but at least it can read them. --=20 =2EO. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com =2E.O | sterling@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com OOO | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com --eheScQNz3K90DVRs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOTeUpAAoJEIpckszW26+R0kIIAKDs/11nDL4EvRwttzE0znav TgnPjRyOJCQhN9RmWhXvNpXGED3tfdEfH4S2enrSSCLOFv5/2lawS2ZX9ai+hqmN i4W+NzIGOWo3ctzv8ZfwK9vHnblPXHdntwQOuQbdKrvjhvgWOJ/WdVi9LKERUu0L NJ2IUMPtaG5nWqzyY3qZElyfC2H58BTcJLtPAcVdailBMV5bFF8wgVePbVs1MHKv tOB20L71WIPPusInwcRI7vo7gKZBZsRcGeVw2J3EMce8lY9uDPVuBN1XpsscNBjX ZF8aS+Sr79Eaa0XGbx9flaam3j/uRP0ziKmnv/2rpJkwZD37ppiTkFckH5dKT+8= =yR68 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --eheScQNz3K90DVRs-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 05:09:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B668E106564A for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 05:09:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo202.cox.net (eastrmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56DE78FC17 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 05:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20110819050911.BVLD32466.eastrmfepo202.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net>; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 01:09:11 -0400 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.83.25]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id N5931h00S0YnB6A0259A4u; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 01:09:11 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020208.4E4DEFF7.001C,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=mwl0/2xM3ubHJTXa6l4kGPt5l4r2ytuQtfJUKIGJKFg= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=2vO5UZG1h46htWAnE/rx2g==:17 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=O7wJKcrCE37XAY62aREA:9 a=c6RQUaXXVbZSLdjXNiMA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=2vO5UZG1h46htWAnE/rx2g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7J58tWV030672; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 00:08:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 00:08:45 -0500 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: scott mcclellan Message-ID: <20110819000845.437b4602@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <1313705889.77615.YahooMailNeo@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1313705889.77615.YahooMailNeo@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: new to os X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 05:09:17 -0000 On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:18:09 -0700 (PDT) scott mcclellan wrote: > I'm looking to try something different with my machine (or maybe I'm > going through a midlife crisis). Hey, learning new things is never bad. Not to do so is to stagnate. I was in my late 30s myself when I took up Unix in earnest. > Currently run Wimdows (point and click), and would like to gravitate > back to DOS (this is a thing of the ancient past for me 30 years - on > a TRS-80). I know remember extremely little of OS vernacular. Well, put 'er there, pal! My first machine was a TRS-80 Model I (16K, Level 2 Basic, cassette tape-based, never got around to upgrading to be able to run TRS-DOS). Learned a heck of a lot using that machine, though. Went from there to an Apple //e (later upgraded to a //gs), and then on into the wonderful world of PCs, DOS, Windows, etc, and finally, FreeBSD. > Am I biting off more than I can chew, or is there a OS commands for > dummies out there, or does FreeBSD have such a critter that one can > go through. One of the things I love about FreeBSD is that it is an excellently documented system. I've tried a number of Linux distros over the years, just out of curiosity, mainly, and couldn't help noticing the difference in the quality of the docs as compared to FreeBSD. > I'll pour through the FAQ and got hrough the online manuals for now. > But it all seems greek. Can someone point me in a diresction to > degreek this stuff for me. Thanks, Scott McClellan The official FreeBSD handbook (available both online and locally, if you install the "doc" distribution during your initial installation) is an excellent place to start, along with the FAQ (ditto). There are also many Unix tutorials for newbies on the web. Myself, the very first time I installed FreeBSD back in 1996, I spent the first month or so working strictly with the text-based consoles. I didn't even try to install and configure X until later. This turned out to be good for my education. I plowed through man pages, did a lot of trial-and-error stuff, and learned a great deal that way. One of the things that I found particularly enlightening was to cd into a "bin" directory (/bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, /usr/local/bin) and do a "whatis *". This pulls up a one-line description for any file in that directory that has a man page. You can then decide what interests you and bring up the actual page with "man whatever". Great way to familiarize yourself with the commands you think you'll want to use. I suppose there is one tip worth mentioning specifically: do yourself a favor and install one of the optional shells, such as bash, from the ports collection. Much more flexible, powerful and customizable than the default /bin/sh (or even worse, csh). Once installed, you'll then want to change your default login shell using the "chsh" command. For example: chsh -s /usr/local/bin/bash Remember, *all* third-party software installs under /usr/local (another thing I hate about most Linux distros is how they clutter up the base system directories with third-party packages; FreeBSD is *so* much cleaner in that respect). And remember, help is just an e-mail away. Or checkout the forums on the FreeBSD website. Welcome to the wonderful world of Unix! Have fun! -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 05:14:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BCB106566B for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 05:14:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0932F8FC0A for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 05:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p7J5EBd8021459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:14:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p7J5EB0J021458; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd81 ([192.168.200.81]) by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA12914; Thu, 18 Aug 11 22:00:53 PDT Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 05:00:33 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: luvbeastie@larseighner.com Message-Id: <4e4e5061.v62YD5XX9ALPlzxP%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <1313705889.77615.YahooMailNeo@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, rockabyeinn@yahoo.com Subject: Re: new to os X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 05:14:18 -0000 Lars Eighner wrote: > You might, for example, still have your copy of WP 5 -- I do. > But printers that work with the printer drivers are now museum > pieces ... With the notable exception of PostScript printers. WP5 probably had a driver for the Apple LaserWriter, and -- while actual LaserWriters from that era are in the museum category -- the output from a LaserWriter driver will usually work on newer PostScript printers. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 05:43:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC7F106564A for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 05:43:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304F08FC0A for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 05:43:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so9339468iye.17 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.153.18 with SMTP id a18mr275309wfe.43.1313732609607; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmail.com (ool-44c59c15.dyn.optonline.net [68.197.156.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s3sm2054316pbg.29.2011.08.18.22.43.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 01:43:23 -0400 From: Chris Brennan To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20110819054322.GB29687@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Chris Subject: ZFS and NFS or CIFS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 05:43:31 -0000 Greetings! I have several ZFS volumes set up on my FreeBSD 8.2 (32-bit) server at=20 home and I am trying to figure out how to set up a NFS and/or CIFS share=20 of the various volumes I have created and for the life of me, I can't=20 figure it out. I don't really care which one or both right now (I should=20 learn both). I just have tons and tons of data to move from my Windows=20 desktop to this server and I'd like to use something other then SFTP,=20 even over my LAN, it's very slow. Many thanks to anyone who can point me in the right direction... --=20 > Chris Brennan > --=20 > A: Yes. > >Q: Are you sure? > >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? > http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ > GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 10:07:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47914106566B for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:07:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF308FC08 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:07:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DCBDC10.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.220.16]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p7JA7SF7037726; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:07:29 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p7JA7G7V033818; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:07:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7JA6pwP007684; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:06:57 GMT (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201108191006.p7JA6pwP007684@fire.js.berklix.net> To: noc@hdk5.net From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:45:57 -1000." <4E4DDC75.7020503@hdk5.net> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:06:51 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: Lars Eighner , scott mcclellan , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: new to os X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:07:32 -0000 > Aloha Lars, > > You mentioned WP5 in this thread. I have some docs on disks that were > created in WP5. You know any FreeBSD based app like abiword that can > read them for transfer to a contemporary program? Do you mean Word Perfect ? Wordperfect-8.0 used to run on FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE & was free, while Corel charged for the MS based version ! I have distfile MD5 (GUILG00.GZ) = 386d2c4c1422992e8f8242bd74f3f705 -r--r--r-- 1 jhs staff 23730473 Mar 12 2002 GUILG00.GZ It got taken out of FreeBSD ports/ some years back. http://berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/fixes/FreeBSD/ports/jhs/editors/wordperfect/pkg/README.JHS You might need to either: upgrade port to run it on a new BSD run it on an old machine or emulator of an old FreeBSD Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; Indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 10:18:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1BB81065678 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:18:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28458FC19 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.72]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4231016B4AA; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 05:18:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 05:15:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 05:15:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.6dollardialup.com To: "Julian H. Stacey" In-Reply-To: <201108191006.p7JA6pwP007684@fire.js.berklix.net> Message-ID: References: <201108191006.p7JA6pwP007684@fire.js.berklix.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" , scott mcclellan , noc@hdk5.net Subject: Re: new to os X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:18:47 -0000 On Fri, 19 Aug 2011, Julian H. Stacey wrote: >> Aloha Lars, >> >> You mentioned WP5 in this thread. I have some docs on disks that were >> created in WP5. You know any FreeBSD based app like abiword that can >> read them for transfer to a contemporary program? > > Do you mean Word Perfect ? > Wordperfect-8.0 used to run on FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE & was free, > while Corel charged for the MS based version ! If I recall correctly, this was a Linux version which ran with Linux compatibility as it was then. Also it only ran with a GUI - the command line version was available for $$$. I have no idea whether it could be persuaded (easily) to run with recent Linux compatibility. > > I have distfile > MD5 (GUILG00.GZ) = 386d2c4c1422992e8f8242bd74f3f705 > -r--r--r-- 1 jhs staff 23730473 Mar 12 2002 GUILG00.GZ > > It got taken out of FreeBSD ports/ some years back. > > http://berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/fixes/FreeBSD/ports/jhs/editors/wordperfect/pkg/README.JHS > > You might need to either: > upgrade port to run it on a new BSD > run it on an old machine > or emulator of an old FreeBSD > > Cheers, > Julian > -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 10:49:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A76106564A for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:49:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98D18FC14 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:49:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DCBDC10.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.220.16]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p7JAngBX037995; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:49:43 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p7JAnTKK033973; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:49:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7JAn48a008174; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:49:11 GMT (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201108191049.p7JAn48a008174@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Lars Eighner From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Fri, 19 Aug 2011 05:15:33 CDT." Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:49:04 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" , scott mcclellan , noc@hdk5.net Subject: Re: new to os X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:49:45 -0000 Lars Eighner wrote: > On Fri, 19 Aug 2011, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > >> Aloha Lars, > >> > >> You mentioned WP5 in this thread. I have some docs on disks that were > >> created in WP5. You know any FreeBSD based app like abiword that can > >> read them for transfer to a contemporary program? > > > > Do you mean Word Perfect ? > > Wordperfect-8.0 used to run on FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE & was free, > > while Corel charged for the MS based version ! > > If I recall correctly, this was a Linux version which ran with Linux > compatibility as it was then. Yes that sounds plausible, exepecially as reading my URL below I got it from a CDROM on a linux magazine > Also it only ran with a GUI ..........^^^^ No idea, only ever tried it with X Windows. > - the command > line version was available for $$$. It never occured to me a command line version of WordPerfect might exist. The graphical version to run on Microsoft cost money. The Linux version was free, that ran on FreeBSD. I used to tell Microsoft users that with pleasure, as an incentive for them to consider escaping the Microsoft monopoly & go to free source OSes (what Corel wanted :-). > I have no idea whether it could be persuaded (easily) to run with recent > Linux compatibility. Me either, & no interest to try. Those who have old WP data can try if they want. Of course, if it was a company who had WordPerfect data to rescue, I'd be willing. > > I have distfile > > MD5 (GUILG00.GZ) = 386d2c4c1422992e8f8242bd74f3f705 > > -r--r--r-- 1 jhs staff 23730473 Mar 12 2002 GUILG00.GZ > > > > It got taken out of FreeBSD ports/ some years back. > > > > http://berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/fixes/FreeBSD/ports/jhs/editors/wordperfect/pkg/README.JHS > > > > You might need to either: > > upgrade port to run it on a new BSD > > run it on an old machine > > or emulator of an old FreeBSD > > > > Cheers, > > Julian > > > > -- > Lars Eighner > http://www.larseighner.com/index.html > 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 > > Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; Indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 09:18:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48899106564A for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 09:18:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perquam@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060B28FC12 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 09:18:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so1747980gwb.13 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 02:18:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=t6QDttEJGq6072bzL3SibztKMtEQfEzBA+blGsLxdV4=; b=inHm3PuEwK34LV5h0yytrq/3j7sMdqD2T4zfGv8URrH5v50jNZSUIipd6yritfT0EA wLw2A4xEUsY1N4mFk3sV0b2i8ONlzM2mitUvbVUk+05G1Z1/qJ5+Smc8GvLiKpA9Mklq Z5JIS4vrU0TQKXoy4jO3bD9CnUWLkvMyyHYXI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.164.6 with SMTP id m6mr1925662ybe.298.1313745481249; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 02:18:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.40.20 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 02:18:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:18:01 +0200 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Pawe=B3_Michalicki?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:24:09 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: TIOCGSERIAL? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 09:18:02 -0000 Hi again Thanks for a load of replies. At least I know now, why this group is called "freebsd-questions" and not "freebsd-answers". Regards PM W dniu 5 sierpnia 2011 22:01 u=BFytkownik Pawe=B3 Michalicki napisa=B3: > Hi > > First, apologies if this is the wrong group to ask my question. I looked > through all the group titles and this one looked suitable. The question i= s > related to programming under FreeBSD. > > I have a certain device which can be hooked to a PC via RS232 connection. > Since my PC does not have a true COM port, I am using an USB<->COM > converter, which contains the FTDI chip. I wrote a program to handle the > communications via the /dev/cuaU0, and all this works very well. The devi= ce > at the other end has an UART which is capable of wild variety of baudrate= s, > including standard rates of 19200, 38400 and 57600 bits per second. In my > program on FreeBSD I am using that last baudrate. > > However, the "wild variety of baudrates" which can be used includes also > such baudrates as 88, 98, 110 kbps and the highest possible one is 126 kb= ps > (note: no 115,2 kbps). I'd like to use 126 kbps instead of 57,6 kbps. > > Now, it is possible on Linux using ioctl(TIOCGSERIAL) and > ioctl(TIOCSSERIAL). As I understand, using these you can very precisely > control the serial baudrate on COM ports (or at least on USB ports with a= n > USB<->COM converter hooked up). Sadly, these do not seem available on > FreeBSD. > > My question is: is there any equivalent of TIOCGSERIAL/TIOCSSERIAL > available on FreeBSD, or maybe there is some special driver I could load = and > use? As I've written above, the USB<-> COM converter I use is the FTDI ch= ip, > but the uftdi module does not seem to provide such functionality. I do no= t > want to write my own kernel module or FTDI device driver just for that > purpose. > > The system is FreeBSD 6.4 but (judging from grep -r TIOCGSERIAL on > /usr/include) this applies to 8.0 as well. > > Thanks! > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 12:40:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A70511065672 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:40:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from v.velox@vvelox.net) Received: from vulpes.vvelox.net (vulpes.vvelox.net [99.69.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FFD48FC1D for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:40:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net (vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net [192.168.15.2]) (Authenticated sender: kitsune) by vulpes.vvelox.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BA2993F50C for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 07:24:12 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 07:22:34 -0500 From: "Zane C. B-H." To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20110819072234.38e655d6@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: wpa_cli issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:40:09 -0000 Is there any way to undefine a variable once it has been set? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 14:14:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7048F106566B for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 14:14:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E438FC15 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 14:13:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p7JEEsgA069695; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 09:14:54 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 09:14:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201108191414.p7JEEsgA069695@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, v.velox@vvelox.net In-Reply-To: <20110819072234.38e655d6@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net> Cc: Subject: Re: wpa_cli issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 14:14:00 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 19 07:41:44 2011 > Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 07:22:34 -0500 > From: "Zane C. B-H." > To: FreeBSD Questions > Subject: wpa_cli issues > > Is there any way to undefine a variable once it has been set? *As(stated*, the answer involves the offspring of the mating of a rhinoceros and an elephand. =GUESSING= that you mean a shell 'envionment variable', the answer is 'yes'. _How_ one can do it depends on the shell (*unspecified*!) being used. 'unsetenv' _may_ do the trick. Alternatively a variable assignment with no value (.e.g "VARIABLE=") may work. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 14:28:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AAF6106566B for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 14:28:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from v.velox@vvelox.net) Received: from vulpes.vvelox.net (vulpes.vvelox.net [99.69.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3578FC0A for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 14:28:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net (vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net [192.168.15.2]) (Authenticated sender: kitsune) by vulpes.vvelox.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 09C663F50C; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 09:28:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 09:26:53 -0500 From: "Zane C. B-H." To: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <20110819092653.422f2b9b@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net> In-Reply-To: <201108191414.p7JEEsgA069695@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <20110819072234.38e655d6@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net> <201108191414.p7JEEsgA069695@mail.r-bonomi.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wpa_cli issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 14:28:34 -0000 On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 09:14:54 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi wrote: > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 19 07:41:44 2011 > > Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 07:22:34 -0500 > > From: "Zane C. B-H." > > To: FreeBSD Questions > > Subject: wpa_cli issues > > > > Is there any way to undefine a variable once it has been set? > > *As(stated*, the answer involves the offspring of the mating of a > rhinoceros and an elephand. > > =GUESSING= that you mean a shell 'envionment variable', the answer > is 'yes'. _How_ one can do it depends on the shell (*unspecified*!) > being used. 'unsetenv' _may_ do the trick. Alternatively a > variable assignment with no value (.e.g "VARIABLE=") may work. Blarg? None of these is even vaguely related to my question about wpa_cli, as stated in the subject. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 14:39:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0D8106564A for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 14:39:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@psconsult.nl) Received: from mx1.psconsult.nl (mx1.psconsult.nl [80.89.238.138]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555AB8FC08 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 14:39:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.psconsult.nl ([80.89.238.138]) by mx1.psconsult.nl (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7JEAUtG031413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:10:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@psconsult.nl) Received: (from paul@localhost) by mx1.psconsult.nl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p7JEAUii031412 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:10:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@psconsult.nl) X-Authentication-Warning: mx1.psconsult.nl: paul set sender to freebsd@psconsult.nl using -f Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:10:30 +0200 From: Paul Schenkeveld To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110819141030.GA31338@psconsult.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: freebsd-update, fetch once upgrade many machines X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 14:39:50 -0000 Hi, Is it possible to fetch files needed for freebsd-update once and put them on a local fileserver to update many machines? The reason for asking is that all these machines are on secure networks and are not allowed to have Internet access but can all access a common fileserver (using FTP, HTTP, SSH but not NFS). I can safely assume that all these machines run the same version of FreeBSD, installed from binary distributions, GENERIC kernel and only upgraded using freebsd-update. Thanks, Paul Schenkeveld From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 15:00:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E6B106564A for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:00:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@msen.com) Received: from shell.msen.com (msen.com [148.59.86.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7DD68FC16 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:00:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Sent-To: Received: from [192.168.1.108] (c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net [68.40.255.141]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.msen.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p7JF0shZ019087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:00:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mark@msen.com) Message-ID: <4E4E7AC1.5000904@msen.com> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:01:21 -0400 From: Mark Moellering User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: Pass (sender authenticated); receiver=msen.com; client-ip=68.40.255.141; envelope-from= Received-SPF: Pass (sender authenticated); receiver=msen.com; client-ip=68.40.255.141; helo=[192.168.1.108] X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: shell.msen.com; Sender-ip: 68.40.255.141; Sender-helo: [192.168.1.108]; ) Subject: My server is under attack (I think) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:00:56 -0000 I keep seeing a flood of messages when I run dmesg -a that look like this: mail sshd[1831]: warning: /etc/hosts.allow, line 2: can't verify hostname: getaddrinfo(ip223.hichina.com, AF_INET) failed Is there anything I should be doing to make sure the server isn't compromised? It is a mail server running postfix / dovecot I have pf set up and am also running a program called sshguard. I am kind of at a loss. It looks like I am under attack but I don't know what to do about it. Any help is greatly appreciated Thanks in advance Mark Moellering mark@msen.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 15:18:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE76106566B for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:18:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andreev.peter@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8113C8FC08 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:18:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywo32 with SMTP id 32so2628689ywo.13 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 08:18:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=k4dnryY9SuQFdjROb5oZ5PWs+d/KelkiiqG850POH3Y=; b=FafPK3TQKnD4zFuHQHYQa4OYivqHJXEln75Tq+BfSCJvQLabXdoWi/jnfOy8gwfmKN ML96AhWs6weNlPKpf4b7pEV0J1dNXUyCA6xvdZjeHCQwoM6H6H6wup7XuOr5MrDWE82Q ouUVr/0VkfRsBo7UlxKuTh/fIQriUsmAAq8/A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.176.12 with SMTP id d12mr2389002anp.100.1313767119257; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 08:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.47.68 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 08:18:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110819141030.GA31338@psconsult.nl> References: <20110819141030.GA31338@psconsult.nl> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:18:39 +0000 Message-ID: From: Peter Andreev To: Paul Schenkeveld Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-update, fetch once upgrade many machines X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:18:40 -0000 2011/8/19 Paul Schenkeveld : > Hi, > > Is it possible to fetch files needed for freebsd-update once and put > them on a local fileserver to update many machines? You can use http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/projects/freebsd-update-server/ > The reason for asking is that all these machines are on secure > networks and are not allowed to have Internet access but can all > access a common fileserver (using FTP, HTTP, SSH but not NFS). > > I can safely assume that all these machines run the same version of > FreeBSD, installed from binary distributions, GENERIC kernel and only > upgraded using freebsd-update. > > Thanks, > > Paul Schenkeveld > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- -- AP From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 15:20:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8361065673 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:20:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1-6.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE828FC14 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a] (saphire3.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7JFKq9N085468; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:20:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-ID: <4E4E7F5E.7010709@sentex.net> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:21:02 -0400 From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Moellering References: <4E4E7AC1.5000904@msen.com> In-Reply-To: <4E4E7AC1.5000904@msen.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12 Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: My server is under attack (I think) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:20:54 -0000 On 8/19/2011 11:01 AM, Mark Moellering wrote: > I keep seeing a flood of messages when I run dmesg -a that look like this: > > mail sshd[1831]: warning: /etc/hosts.allow, line 2: can't verify > hostname: getaddrinfo(ip223.hichina.com, AF_INET) failed > > Is there anything I should be doing to make sure the server isn't First, look at line 2 of /etc/hosts.allow. Its probably an issue of the scanning IP having a PTR record mismatch. ie. some IP has a PTR record of ip223.hichina.com, but no corresponding A record. When the attacker/scanner hits port 22 of your box, tcpwrappers (as set in /etc/hosts.allow) tries to confirm the PTR record matches the A record, but there is a mismatch, and hence the log message. Take a look at /var/log/auth.log for more info. Its generally a good idea to block all network access as a first rule, and then add specific rules to let people in to just what is needed. So if you only manage the box via ssh from a range of hosts, block all access to ssh and allow it just from those trusted locations. ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 15:21:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D98C1065680 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:21:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB0C78FC1E for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:21:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p7JEuDfU043398; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:56:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id p7JEuDWJ043397; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:56:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:56:13 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: scott mcclellan Message-ID: <20110819145613.GA43263@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <1313705889.77615.YahooMailNeo@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1313705889.77615.YahooMailNeo@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: new to os X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:21:22 -0000 On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 03:18:09PM -0700, scott mcclellan wrote: > I'm looking to try something different with my machine (or maybe I'm > going through a midlife crisis). >   > Currently run Wimdows (point and click), and would like to gravitate > back to DOS (this is a thing of the ancient past for me 30 years - on > a TRS-80). I know remember extremely little of OS vernacular. >   > Am I biting off more than I can chew, or is there a OS commands for > dummies out there, or does FreeBSD have such a critter that one can > go through. I am not sure what you are trying to do here. If it is to learn a modern command line oriented system to replace all of the GUI, only can do what the author already thought up stuff like MS, then FreeBSD is a very good choice, probably the best. If it is to really get a DOS or CPM system, then, I think there some DOS emulators that used to work under FreeBSD, but I have never tried them. Some people also promote FreeDOS for this. > I'll pour through the FAQ and got hrough the online manuals for now. > But it all seems greek. Can someone point me in a diresction to > degreek this stuff for me. There are some other tutorials and attempts at documentation out on the net in various places. Google is your friend for these. They can help fill in some of the initial empty spaces. Otherwise, the best thing for learning FreeBSD is to take the FreeBSD Handbook in one hand, an install CD/DVD in another and the keyboard in your remaining hand and do a couple of installs on an otherwise unused machine. Once you get a base system in and running, try some stuff. When you destroy it, install it again. You won't kill it very many times before you have a good handle on it and then find out it is extremely stable and survives pretty harsh mistreatment. Start with the latest RELEASE which is 8.2 and go from there. Just follow the Handbook instructions and it works. ////jerry >   > Thanks, >   > Scott McClellan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 15:28:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 333991065673 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:28:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from netwarrior863@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C278FC14 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:28:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so2012102gwb.13 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 08:28:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RFjxp03fLOjx+SnVRyPWd1zDo4rb2nvKMyxS2NTpuGU=; b=LyDYBxeukEwPUhGxE4wBAXR0Y3yFo8kFGw63K9w1jc4COySJLkq1NhA6UslX36Hqd1 xO3dZrkWNxhh80xF4iWUF7Y2rBiUPLWV2Pcis1e3ZdjJbUAMkCpR7YzGJuXUlzA9O7L8 Rm2vA8+rzoeKG3IUUdsTQGyBdVlEmmiQUH/7c= Received: by 10.151.29.14 with SMTP id g14mr1402319ybj.329.1313766193632; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 08:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([190.55.219.58]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l18sm367103ybg.22.2011.08.19.08.03.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 19 Aug 2011 08:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E4E7AE1.3070202@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:01:53 -0300 From: Net Warrior User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101217 Thunderbird/3.1.7 ThunderBrowse/3.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: BHyve X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:28:42 -0000 Hi Does anyone know if there is any progress on this project or how can I track/test it? Thanks you- Regards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 15:33:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7AF5106564A for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:33:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B7BD8FC0C for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:33:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from remote.double-l.nl (double-l.xs4all.nl [80.126.205.144]) by smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7JFFxih076187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:15:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from SRV01.double-l.local ([fe80::1128:e7bc:ba4a:a89a]) by SRV01.double-l.local ([fe80::1128:e7bc:ba4a:a89a%13]) with mapi id 14.01.0218.012; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:16:05 +0200 From: Johan Hendriks To: Paul Schenkeveld Thread-Topic: freebsd-update, fetch once upgrade many machines Thread-Index: AQHMXn4TafzsYbPi4Uq1frc3XdpsmpUkSD7w Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:16:04 +0000 Message-ID: <6C3F8332272B7D4DA26909F15F1C90E1E56100@SRV01.double-l.local> References: <20110819141030.GA31338@psconsult.nl> In-Reply-To: <20110819141030.GA31338@psconsult.nl> Accept-Language: nl-NL, en-US Content-Language: nl-NL X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.50.106] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: freebsd-update, fetch once upgrade many machines X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:33:04 -0000 >Hi, >Is it possible to fetch files needed for freebsd-update once and put >them on a local fileserver to update many machines? > >The reason for asking is that all these machines are on secure >networks and are not allowed to have Internet access but can all >access a common fileserver (using FTP, HTTP, SSH but not NFS). > >I can safely assume that all these machines run the same version of >FreeBSD, installed from binary distributions, GENERIC kernel and only >upgraded using freebsd-update. > >Thanks, > >Paul Schenkeveld I think the following forum thread could help you out. http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=3D6672 Gr Johan Hendriks Double L Automatisering From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 16:03:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1980106566B for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:03:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A79C78FC08 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p7JG4bqi070704; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:04:37 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:04:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201108191604.p7JG4bqi070704@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, mark@msen.com In-Reply-To: <4E4E7AC1.5000904@msen.com> Cc: Subject: Re: My server is under attack (I think) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:03:40 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 19 10:02:30 2011 > Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:01:21 -0400 > From: Mark Moellering > To: FreeBSD > Subject: My server is under attack (I think) > > I keep seeing a flood of messages when I run dmesg -a that look like this: > > mail sshd[1831]: warning: /etc/hosts.allow, line 2: can't verify > hostname: getaddrinfo(ip223.hichina.com, AF_INET) failed This hostname has no IP address in the DNS. > Is there anything I should be doing to make sure the server isn't > compromised? It is a mail server running postfix / dovecot > I have pf set up and am also running a program called sshguard. > I am kind of at a loss. It looks like I am under attack but I don't > know what to do about it. Any help is greatly appreciated Given that the look-up fails, the connection is automatically denied. This is routine 'doorknob rattling' by bad guys. if you're getting a lot of this from a particular netblock, a 'deny all' rule for that netblock may be indicated. If it's coming from a locale that you expect no legit traffic from (the Republic of China in this case), you aren't likely to lose anything 'valuable' by agressive router-level blocking. I get these kinds of messages all the time for various services -- notably socks5 and SMTP. I USed to get a lot for SSH, but they dropped to virtually _zero_ when I move SSH to a 'non-standard' port. This does _NOT_ materially increase the _actual_ security of the system, but it does wonders for reducing the 'noise' in the logs. I simply "don't worry" about the socks5 and/or SMTP 'rattling'. Socks5 is configured to accept connections only from 'localhost', which is used to support http tunneling in an SSH session -- *all* external connection attempts are denied. Unless an attacker can fake 127.0.0.1 packets -- *over* the 'lo0' interface -- socks won't talk to them. My SMTP daemon is sendmail, w,hich, in conjuction with some custom 'milters' is fully capable of protecting itself. People that 'doorknob rattle' it too heavily get manually added to the /etc/hosts.{allow/deny} file. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 16:39:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00698106564A for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:39:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from redcondor1.peak.org (redcondor1.peak.org [69.59.192.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF9658FC0C for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:39:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmail-mta01.peak.org ([207.55.16.111]) by redcondor1.peak.org ({e03e86cd-14ae-47ce-9578-3c080ce9c462}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20110819162907913 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:29:07 +0000 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from maple.localnet (unknown [207.55.106.132]) by zmail-mta01.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A9DE84603D2 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 09:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oak.localnet (oak.localnet [IPv6:2001:1938:266::6f:616b]) by maple.localnet (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7515A61F7E for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 09:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oak.localnet (localhost.localnet [127.0.0.1]) by oak.localnet (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C877C6FF for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 09:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from carlj@localhost) by oak.localnet (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p7JGT4GC036853; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 09:29:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) X-Authentication-Warning: oak.localnet: carlj set sender to carlj@peak.org using -f From: Carl Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201108191006.p7JA6pwP007684@fire.js.berklix.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 09:29:04 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Lars Eighner's message of "Fri, 19 Aug 2011 05:15:33 -0500 (CDT)") Message-ID: <8762lt74bz.fsf@oak.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: new to os X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:39:13 -0000 Lars Eighner writes: > On Fri, 19 Aug 2011, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > >>> Aloha Lars, >>> >>> You mentioned WP5 in this thread. I have some docs on disks that were >>> created in WP5. You know any FreeBSD based app like abiword that can >>> read them for transfer to a contemporary program? >> >> Do you mean Word Perfect ? >> Wordperfect-8.0 used to run on FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE & was free, >> while Corel charged for the MS based version ! > > If I recall correctly, this was a Linux version which ran with Linux > compatibility as it was then. Also it only ran with a GUI - the command > line version was available for $$$. > > I have no idea whether it could be persuaded (easily) to run with recent > Linux compatibility. I was checking with google and found http://tldp.org/FAQ/WordPerfect-Linux-FAQ/downloadwp8.html. Most of the links are dead or changed, but a couple of them do have files to download. -- Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 16:41:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E3F4106564A for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:41:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3DB568FC08 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:41:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 12804 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2011 16:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2011 16:41:49 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=H6beNWY4+dwBqzj+CUpjFj3xSENJHsO7SOxcozrkvEI=; b=ED1JM3/fmdjrXUeLOh8zpDxp6EYoUjfYlnsC060I12E3zTtTGzVMlEfOddYtMvCApNisPrlBOgyrBGIywZqG9DBR/MAOptF8V6c04nuZUmo4vd5N/tK3hY7trkdSrs7o; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1QuS8i-0001uB-Ns for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:41:49 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:23:51 -0600 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:23:51 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Message-ID: <20110819162351.GA15615@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" References: <1313705889.77615.YahooMailNeo@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: new to os X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:41:50 -0000 --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:21:57PM -0500, Lars Eighner wrote: >=20 > They all have true multiprocessing so you can switch from one command > line environment (virtual terminal) to another with a keystroke. Do you mean "multitasking" here, rather than "multiprocessing"? --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk5OjhcACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUFpgCeI8l6cMwG7QBArwEd2Lc/SsTH d3cAn1lBt7t07sicl9InerqWMDL9RMQM =QOpy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 17:05:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 475B71065670 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:05:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19C48FC13 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:05:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxh11 with SMTP id 11so3599676vxh.13 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.3.146 with SMTP id 18mr662509vcn.210.1313773518063; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.9] (ool-44c59c15.dyn.optonline.net [68.197.156.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h4sm1832062vcx.45.2011.08.19.10.05.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E4E97BD.6000700@xaerolimit.net> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:05:01 -0400 From: Chris Brennan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110819072234.38e655d6@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net> <201108191414.p7JEEsgA069695@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20110819092653.422f2b9b@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net> In-Reply-To: <20110819092653.422f2b9b@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3 OpenPGP: id=D5B20C0C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig125A2E59CDC652FA0CE2AE13" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: wpa_cli issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:05:19 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig125A2E59CDC652FA0CE2AE13 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080902060401060400090703" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080902060401060400090703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 8/19/2011 10:26 AM, Zane C. B-H. wrote: > Blarg? >=20 > None of these is even vaguely related to my question about wpa_cli, > as stated in the subject. WTF is 'Blarg'? How about you give us a little more context and offer to converse with us instead of treating us like machines who blindly spit out answers (right or wrong, doesn't matter, you've equated us to machines!) Robert did the best he could with the little bit of information you gave us. Even after reading your e-mail, I was left wondering what variables (with in or without wpa_cli) you were talking about and also jumped to the conclusion of shell environment variables. A rather blunt note for you (and I've learned this first hand). If you are rude on an Open Source mailing-list, the chances of you getting help drop, dramatically. The chances of you getting flamed for your rudeness become guaranteed. --=20 > Chris Brennan > -- > A: Yes. > >Q: Are you sure? > >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? > http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ > GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------080902060401060400090703-- --------------enig125A2E59CDC652FA0CE2AE13 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOTpfFAAoJEO7NmoTVsgwMtoEH/1jBqovIf61OSyeICpeP4EcV YAvs613plLQ47Ax+MZLxSnu6xv+AK8ZOsV0WZ+FMMNNtlNSIjR8oOhfYRJ/u8KWE feKwylk4J3m+QHxgPps7CNX3wWKHkEOR9LoXbzlP6H4UluUu3fPbPfWmoY4BF1bc OFBClR9EGBwUMP5u7zVx1w/QiMwmh0rq6BBiSAZe9iuiEThKVLB8vr0XhFbMxy7g dQMv7tKk4q00zR83epgWc7PdLJit/4Lpw1Ktjmbfe3/VoyexthW/cP8D4S2THM4M 7shV2oGQcyPOy0/PMfLL+az2Ko0CwVn9tbAPgifc2IEe5/osBQOfnq6vSJB9fz8= =6Ung -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig125A2E59CDC652FA0CE2AE13-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 17:46:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26A6106564A for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:46:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [91.121.44.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77518FC0C for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:46:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (12.176.97.84.rev.sfr.net [84.97.176.12]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A4EE2FAA2DD3; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:30:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35DD73BFA; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:30:27 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:30:27 +0200 From: Patrick Lamaiziere To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Conrad J. Sabatier" Message-ID: <20110819193027.7ed38af0@davenulle.org> In-Reply-To: <20110818174341.65a0859b@cox.net> References: <20110818174341.65a0859b@cox.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Re: Enabling gjournal without destroying a filesystem? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:46:08 -0000 Le Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:43:41 -0500, "Conrad J. Sabatier" a écrit : Hello, > I'm assuming there are definite advantages to using gjournal over > softupdates? If the file system is large, it avoids a "very long" fsck. I use gjournal since 7.2 and never had any problem (and I always shutdown my small soekris box by removing the power plug...) Regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 17:46:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6970E1065803 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:46:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesbrandongooch@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F188FC1D for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwi36 with SMTP id 36so3326093wwi.31 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:46:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=uxdosX/DxhXtFMkQDO8/tqF2m9UKlQtyHZD5YBWQ5Tc=; b=ZHFTu29eIIXuKKHxYehismKvcMyHhNqpq/fuh9ZihaMnmlkd65m7o/7nRS7l9emDeg g3rUU0A8evV59XXXvNPCGzT6sjE0IN5FcA4v5P9pEJP7Liy6l18RbZCT1hLt3reH+jHU Zq5t5rFBqnUC63/xV5f/4SX+YhKhV8vlc6dw0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.157.135 with SMTP id o7mr734689wek.28.1313775987645; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:46:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.10.137 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:46:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.10.137 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:46:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E4E7AE1.3070202@gmail.com> References: <4E4E7AE1.3070202@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:46:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: Brandon Gooch To: Net Warrior Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: BHyve X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:46:29 -0000 On Aug 19, 2011 10:29 AM, "Net Warrior" wrote: > > Hi > Does anyone know if there is any progress on this project or how can I track/test it? > > Thanks you- > Regards > I'm interested in this as well, and I'm hoping that after 9.0 is out the door that we might see a concerted effort (or at least some interest) from developers to push forward with this. -Brandon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 17:51:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D36106564A for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:51:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email2.allantgroup.com (email2.emsphone.com [199.67.51.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEFD08FC16 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:51:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email2.allantgroup.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7JHpGPa014264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:51:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7JHpGkJ091452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:51:16 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id p7JHpGuv091451; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:51:16 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:51:16 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: "Zane C. B-H." Message-ID: <20110819175115.GA11383@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20110819072234.38e655d6@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net> <201108191414.p7JEEsgA069695@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20110819092653.422f2b9b@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110819092653.422f2b9b@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.2 at email2.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (email2.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:51:17 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 199.67.51.78 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Robert Bonomi Subject: Re: wpa_cli issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:51:18 -0000 In the last episode (Aug 19), Zane C. B-H. said: > On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 09:14:54 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi wrote: > > From: "Zane C. B-H." > > > Is there any way to undefine a variable once it has been set? > > > > *As(stated*, the answer involves the offspring of the mating of a > > rhinoceros and an elephand. > > > > =GUESSING= that you mean a shell 'envionment variable', the answer > > is 'yes'. _How_ one can do it depends on the shell (*unspecified*!) > > being used. 'unsetenv' _may_ do the trick. Alternatively a > > variable assignment with no value (.e.g "VARIABLE=") may work. > > Blarg? > > None of these is even vaguely related to my question about wpa_cli, > as stated in the subject. wpa_cli only understands a fixed list of variables to set, and it doesn't make sense to "undefine" them. You can set them back to their default values, but they must have a value. Defaults from looking at the source: EAPOL::heldPeriod = 60 EAPOL::startPeriod = 30 EAPOL::maxStart = 3 EAPOL::authPeriod = 30 dot11RSNAConfigPMKLifetime = 43200 dot11RSNAConfigPMKReauthThreshold = 70 dot11RSNAConfigSATimeout = 60 Running "set" from within wpa_cli should print these values, too, according to the manpage. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 18:15:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 018B8106564A for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:15:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [91.121.44.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCEC78FC08 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:15:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (12.176.97.84.rev.sfr.net [84.97.176.12]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CD474FAA2DD3; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:15:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5F173700; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:15:31 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:15:31 +0200 From: Patrick Lamaiziere To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Hugo Silva Message-ID: <20110819201531.5fd68297@davenulle.org> In-Reply-To: <4E4CD9D7.1020306@barafranca.com> References: <4E4CD9D7.1020306@barafranca.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Re: Can *you* UFS snapshot a filesystem with 9.0-BETA1? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:15:35 -0000 Le Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:22:31 +0100, Hugo Silva a écrit : Hello, > I'm wondering. On a virtual machine (amd64 HVM+PV), it's crashing > every time. Not sure if this is SNAFU, as I had never used ufs > snapshots on freebsd before. > > After running mksnap_ffs, ssh stops working (a telnet session doesn't > show the sshd banner). The ssh session where the command was run from > stops responding, the webserver dies and xm console'ing from the dom0 > works, but the VM is unresponsive (ie no login prompt on ENTER). > > Anyone else seeing the same? I've tried in a FreeBSD guest (9.0-beta1/i386) into VirtualBox and I see a LOR (or looks like a LOR), then the system is freezed. This is 100% reproductible. Unfortunatly, I'm not able to dump a panic or to break into the debugger, so a screenshot : http://user.lamaiziere.net/patrick/public/lormksnap.png You should ask on freebsd-current@ Regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 18:18:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D52106564A for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:18:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBDF78FC15 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:18:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so11131605iye.17 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:18:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.134.8 with SMTP id ia8mr61463icc.113.1313777906175; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.231.13.203 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:18:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110819193027.7ed38af0@davenulle.org> References: <20110818174341.65a0859b@cox.net> <20110819193027.7ed38af0@davenulle.org> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 14:18:26 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: _zDBOa6uBCtL8ISncr04_ccFUBo Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: Patrick Lamaiziere Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "Conrad J. Sabatier" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Enabling gjournal without destroying a filesystem? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:18:29 -0000 On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Patrick Lamaiziere wrote: > Le Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:43:41 -0500, > "Conrad J. Sabatier" a =E9crit : > > Hello, > >> I'm assuming there are definite advantages to using gjournal over >> softupdates? > http://www.usenix.org/event/usenix2000/general/seltzer.html > If the file system is large, it avoids a "very long" fsck. > I use gjournal since 7.2 and never had any problem (and I always > shutdown my small soekris box by removing the power plug...) > > Regards. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 18:48:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A4EF106564A for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:48:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [91.121.44.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA538FC0A for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (12.176.97.84.rev.sfr.net [84.97.176.12]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 10E3CFAA2DD3; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:48:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BC30735BB; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:48:34 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:48:33 +0200 From: Patrick Lamaiziere To: Alejandro Imass Message-ID: <20110819204833.3560b59c@davenulle.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20110818174341.65a0859b@cox.net> <20110819193027.7ed38af0@davenulle.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Enabling gjournal without destroying a filesystem? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:48:37 -0000 Le Fri, 19 Aug 2011 14:18:26 -0400, Alejandro Imass a écrit : hello, > >> I'm assuming there are definite advantages to using gjournal over > >> softupdates? > > > > http://www.usenix.org/event/usenix2000/general/seltzer.html gjournal can improve the performances in some cases (small files) : http://osdir.com/ml/freebsd-geom/2006-06/msg00013.html Anyway there was no other way to avoid a long fsck (until SU+Journal in 9.0). Regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 19:03:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C1A1065670 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:03:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from v.velox@vvelox.net) Received: from vulpes.vvelox.net (vulpes.vvelox.net [99.69.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1FE8FC0C for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net (vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net [192.168.15.2]) (Authenticated sender: kitsune) by vulpes.vvelox.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B53563F50C; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 14:03:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 14:01:25 -0500 From: "Zane C. B-H." To: Chris Brennan Message-ID: <20110819140125.2ad4f86c@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net> In-Reply-To: <4E4E97BD.6000700@xaerolimit.net> References: <20110819072234.38e655d6@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net> <201108191414.p7JEEsgA069695@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20110819092653.422f2b9b@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net> <4E4E97BD.6000700@xaerolimit.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Robert Bonomi Subject: Re: wpa_cli issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:03:07 -0000 On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:05:01 -0400 Chris Brennan wrote: > On 8/19/2011 10:26 AM, Zane C. B-H. wrote: > > Blarg? > > > > None of these is even vaguely related to my question about > > wpa_cli, as stated in the subject. > > WTF is 'Blarg'? > > How about you give us a little more context and offer to converse > with us instead of treating us like machines who blindly spit out > answers (right or wrong, doesn't matter, you've equated us to > machines!) > > Robert did the best he could with the little bit of information you > gave us. Even after reading your e-mail, I was left wondering what > variables (with in or without wpa_cli) you were talking about and > also jumped to the conclusion of shell environment variables. > > A rather blunt note for you (and I've learned this first hand). If > you are rude on an Open Source mailing-list, the chances of you > getting help drop, dramatically. The chances of you getting flamed > for your rudeness become guaranteed. Nothing I said was intended as rude and was phrased in a neutral manner. Personally this knee jerk reaction to assume I was being hostile etc is a lot more annoying and insulting than any thing. As to any confusion as to what I was talking about I am still lost as to how some one would come any thing shell related given wpa_cli was very specifically stated in the subject. I actually though there was a a Robert was trying to be an ass with his reply about shell related stuff given that. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 19:03:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECBC106571A for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:03:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from moku60.aloha50.net (moku60.aloha50.net [66.180.132.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19BC8FC13 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by moku60.aloha50.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A29681703E; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 09:03:15 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <4E4EB373.8000601@hdk5.net> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 09:03:15 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: perryh@pluto.rain.com References: <1313705889.77615.YahooMailNeo@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4e4e5061.v62YD5XX9ALPlzxP%perryh@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: <4e4e5061.v62YD5XX9ALPlzxP%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: luvbeastie@larseighner.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, rockabyeinn@yahoo.com Subject: Re: new to os X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: noc@hdk5.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:03:17 -0000 perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Lars Eighner wrote: > >> You might, for example, still have your copy of WP 5 -- I do. >> But printers that work with the printer drivers are now museum >> pieces ... > > With the notable exception of PostScript printers. WP5 probably had > a driver for the Apple LaserWriter, and -- while actual LaserWriters > from that era are in the museum category -- the output from a > LaserWriter driver will usually work on newer PostScript printers. > _______________________________________________ > Aloha all: Thanks for the many helpful suggestions for WP5 (was ancestor of WP 7 - 8 I think). I'll have plenty ideas to try. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 19:11:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A161065676 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:11:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from v.velox@vvelox.net) Received: from vulpes.vvelox.net (vulpes.vvelox.net [99.69.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A2E8FC0C for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:11:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net (vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net [192.168.15.2]) (Authenticated sender: kitsune) by vulpes.vvelox.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7FC083F50D; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 14:11:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 14:09:53 -0500 From: "Zane C. B-H." To: Dan Nelson , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110819140953.372949bf@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net> In-Reply-To: <20110819175115.GA11383@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20110819072234.38e655d6@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net> <201108191414.p7JEEsgA069695@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20110819092653.422f2b9b@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net> <20110819175115.GA11383@dan.emsphone.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Robert Bonomi Subject: Re: wpa_cli issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:11:33 -0000 On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:51:16 -0500 Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Aug 19), Zane C. B-H. said: > > On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 09:14:54 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi > > wrote: > > > From: "Zane C. B-H." > > > > Is there any way to undefine a variable once it has been set? > > > > > > *As(stated*, the answer involves the offspring of the mating of > > > a rhinoceros and an elephand. > > > > > > =GUESSING= that you mean a shell 'envionment variable', the > > > answer is 'yes'. _How_ one can do it depends on the shell > > > (*unspecified*!) being used. 'unsetenv' _may_ do the trick. > > > Alternatively a variable assignment with no value (.e.g > > > "VARIABLE=") may work. > > > > Blarg? > > > > None of these is even vaguely related to my question about > > wpa_cli, as stated in the subject. > > wpa_cli only understands a fixed list of variables to set, and it > doesn't make sense to "undefine" them. You can set them back to > their default values, but they must have a value. > > Defaults from looking at the source: > > EAPOL::heldPeriod = 60 > EAPOL::startPeriod = 30 > EAPOL::maxStart = 3 > EAPOL::authPeriod = 30 > dot11RSNAConfigPMKLifetime = 43200 > dot11RSNAConfigPMKReauthThreshold = 70 > dot11RSNAConfigSATimeout = 60 > > Running "set" from within wpa_cli should print these values, too, > according to the manpage. That is for stuff set via set, but when it comes to the individual network variables, not all of these have a default value other than not defined, AFAIK, and setting them back to the defaults as far as I can tell is impossible for some. A example of this is the bssid variable. Once this has been set, I've been unable to find any way to remove it via wpa_cli. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks. :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 19:16:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF46106566C for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:16:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA7F58FC16 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:16:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so11239463iye.17 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:16:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.68.205 with SMTP id w13mr209661ibi.46.1313781418077; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.231.13.203 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:16:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E4EB373.8000601@hdk5.net> References: <1313705889.77615.YahooMailNeo@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4e4e5061.v62YD5XX9ALPlzxP%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <4E4EB373.8000601@hdk5.net> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:16:58 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: VmA8KtMjMtDeqTZeBHUTs1iZPn8 Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: noc@hdk5.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: luvbeastie@larseighner.com, perryh@pluto.rain.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, rockabyeinn@yahoo.com Subject: Re: new to os X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:16:59 -0000 On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Al Plant wrote: > perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: >> [...] > Aloha all: > > Thanks for the many helpful suggestions for WP5 (was ancestor of WP 7 - 8 I > think). > > I'll have plenty ideas to try. > Funny thing is that the OP never replied! -- Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 19:39:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEE8D106564A for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:39:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=2053d4f83=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from ip-001.utdallas.edu (ip-001.utdallas.edu [129.110.20.107]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9816E8FC08 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:39:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Group: None X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuAIAKu0Tk6BbgogSmdsb2JhbABBqBcBARoGAiQlgUABAQQBOAJECwtGQxQGARKHcbhwhWlfBIdgnEY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.68,251,1312174800"; d="scan'208";a="70860701" Received: from zxtm01.utdallas.edu (HELO utd71538.utdallas.edu) ([129.110.10.32]) by ip-001.utdallas.edu with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 19 Aug 2011 14:10:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 14:10:09 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl To: Mark Moellering , FreeBSD Message-ID: <67E049C395112E49105B02BE@utd71538.utdallas.edu> In-Reply-To: <4E4E7AC1.5000904@msen.com> References: <4E4E7AC1.5000904@msen.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: My server is under attack (I think) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:39:05 -0000 --On August 19, 2011 11:01:21 AM -0400 Mark Moellering wrote: > I keep seeing a flood of messages when I run dmesg -a that look like this: > > mail sshd[1831]: warning: /etc/hosts.allow, line 2: can't verify > hostname: getaddrinfo(ip223.hichina.com, AF_INET) failed > > Is there anything I should be doing to make sure the server isn't > compromised? It is a mail server running postfix / dovecot > I have pf set up and am also running a program called sshguard. > I am kind of at a loss. It looks like I am under attack but I don't know > what to do about it. Any help is greatly appreciated > > Thanks in advance As others have pointed out, this is routine probing by internet jerks. You have several choices. You can restrict access to ssh to specific IPs or netblocks. You can ignore it and chalk it up to being on the internet. Or, if the people that have access to your server are sophisticated enough that's it's not too much hassle explaining it, you can run ssh on some other port. I chose options 1 & 2 for a server I maintain. I'd prefer option 3, but I don't want to have to explain it to the owners. They're not very tech savvy. -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 20:28:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463271065674 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:28:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from henry95@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 039C78FC08 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:28:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so3536004vws.13 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:28:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=iCMN+UJv6gMM5viRHaAHVaym1jpJzheuoVyNrhYpdtA=; b=QH9Y+bMf8BEXC/3drrHvRmVFUgtEmWk/tfWpOzjxDLWto1d3Pq3iZ9GvXgE0yNWt1u Rf0WD0qgDDM0KiXlel96xHBQJ+j9+lac3EpueqcXYO1f4i68O4C9Q90EHxiK6VJ7vbWJ La3cOVHQSPoE6oCc01UYx9G2zKXHteg5HRH1M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.65.168 with SMTP id y8mr195365vds.16.1313784354609; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.30.33 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:05:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110819054322.GB29687@gmail.com> References: <20110819054322.GB29687@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:05:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: Henry M To: Chris Brennan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: ZFS and NFS or CIFS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:28:38 -0000 Hi Chris, If you are transferring data from a Windows machine, your best bet would be to use SAMBA. Windows communicates with samba pretty easily. You essentially just mount a network drive, and transfer the files you want. Here are a few links to get you started: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-samba.html http://www.freebsddiary.org/samba.php The samba configs are pretty straight forward, you just need to make permissions are correct. Good luck! Regards, Henry On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:43 AM, Chris Brennan wrote: > Greetings! > > I have several ZFS volumes set up on my FreeBSD 8.2 (32-bit) server at > home and I am trying to figure out how to set up a NFS and/or CIFS share > of the various volumes I have created and for the life of me, I can't > figure it out. I don't really care which one or both right now (I should > learn both). I just have tons and tons of data to move from my Windows > desktop to this server and I'd like to use something other then SFTP, > even over my LAN, it's very slow. > > Many thanks to anyone who can point me in the right direction... > -- > > Chris Brennan > > -- > > A: Yes. > > >Q: Are you sure? > > >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > > >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? > > http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ > > GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 23:24:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737B81065672 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 23:24:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dsrepel@QHRTechnologies.com) Received: from mail.quadranthr.com (mail.quadranthr.com [69.10.151.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7C98FC1B for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 23:24:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from QTMAIL2.QuadrantHR.com ([fe80::ac0f:858c:8acb:6099]) by QTKelCAS1.QuadrantHR.com ([fe80::4084:3f74:7b59:e2b4%10]) with mapi id 14.01.0289.001; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:13:35 -0700 From: Danny Srepel To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Thread-Topic: OpenOSPFd replacing network routes Thread-Index: AcxexIyMWReXGi+FSRyI3kwcSAA/lQ== Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 23:13:33 +0000 Message-ID: <429779FA84C25746813752F506545182A04283F9@QTMail2.QuadrantHR.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.16.32.88] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: OpenOSPFd replacing network routes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 23:24:27 -0000 There's a fundamental difference between OpenBSD and FreeBSD's respective n= etworking. Specifically, the kernel routing table. In OpenBSD, it is possib= le to have multiple routes to the same destination, and are differentiated = by priority. This capability does not exist in FreeBSD. Let me just get right into the details by outlining a functioning OpenBSD s= ystem, and where FreeBSD's issues are. This is my example ospfd.conf, 01|=A0router-id 0.0.0.1 02|=A0redistribute connected 03|=A0redistribute static 04|=A0area 0.0.0.0 { 05|=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 interface vlan1 06|=A0} Below is output from `netstat -rn' taken form an OpenBSD machine before the= OpenOSPFd process was started.=A0The 192.168.11.0/24 network is used to ex= change OSPF information with its neighbours. 192.168.12.0/24 is a connected= network to this host. 192.168.13.0/24 is one hop away (via 192.168.11.2, i= ts only neighbour). 07|=A0Destination =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Gateway =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Flags =A0 R= efs =A0 =A0 =A0Use =A0 Mtu =A0Prio Iface 08|=A0127/8 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0127.0.0.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0UGRS = =A0 =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 33160 =A0 =A0 8 lo0 09|=A0127.0.0.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0127.0.0.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0UH =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 33160 =A0 =A0 4 lo0 10|=A0192.168.11/24 =A0 =A0 =A0link#5 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 UC =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0 - =A0 =A0 4 vlan1 11|=A0192.168.12/24 =A0 =A0 =A0link#6 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 UC =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0 - =A0 =A0 4 vlan2 12|=A0224/4 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0127.0.0.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0URS =A0= =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 33160 =A0 =A0 8 lo0 And this is `netstat -rn' taken after OpenOSPFd finished negotiating with i= ts neighbour, 13|=A0Destination =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Gateway =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Flags =A0 R= efs =A0 =A0 =A0Use =A0 Mtu =A0Prio Iface 14|=A0127/8 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0127.0.0.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0UGRS = =A0 =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 33160 =A0 =A0 8 lo0 15|=A0127.0.0.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0127.0.0.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0UH =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 33160 =A0 =A0 4 lo0 16|=A0192.168.11/24 =A0 =A0 =A0link#5 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 UC =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0 - =A0 =A0 4 vlan1 17|=A0192.168.11/24 =A0 =A0 =A0192.168.11.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 UG =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0 - =A0 =A032 vlan1 18|=A0192.168.11.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 00:50:56:96:00:89 =A0UHLc =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0 - =A0 =A0 4 lo0 19|=A0192.168.11.2 =A0 =A0 =A0 00:50:56:96:00:90 =A0UHLc =A0 =A0 =A0 2 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A07 =A0 =A0 - =A0 =A0 4 vlan1 20|=A0192.168.12/24 =A0 =A0 =A0link#6 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 UC =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0 - =A0 =A0 4 vlan2 21|=A0192.168.13/24 =A0 =A0 =A0192.168.11.2 =A0 =A0 =A0 UG =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0 - =A0 =A032 vlan1 22|=A0224/4 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0127.0.0.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0URS =A0= =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 33160 =A0 =A0 8 lo0 Notice there are multiple entries for 192.168.11.0/24 (line #16-17). Line #= 17 was added by ospfd. Before continuing, I'm going to paste the equivalent information on FreeBSD= 's side, so that we can better compare.=A0Below is `netstat -rn' taken befo= re ospfd is started, 23|=A0Destination =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Gateway =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Flags =A0 = =A0Refs =A0 =A0 =A0Use =A0Netif Expire 24|=A0127.0.0.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0link#3 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 UH =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0 =A0139 =A0 =A0lo0 25|=A0192.168.11.0/24 =A0 =A0link#1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 U =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0em0 26|=A0192.168.11.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 link#1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 UHS =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0lo0 27|=A0192.168.12.0/24 =A0 =A0link#9 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 U =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 em0_vl 28|=A0192.168.12.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 link#9 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 UHS =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0lo0 And this is `netstat -rn' taken after OpenOSPFd finished negotiating with i= ts neighbour, 29|=A0Destination =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Gateway =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Flags =A0 = =A0Refs =A0 =A0 =A0Use =A0Netif Expire 30|=A0127.0.0.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0link#3 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 UH =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0 =A0147 =A0 =A0lo0 31|=A0192.168.11.0/24 =A0 =A0192.168.1.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0U =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A06 =A0 =A0em0 32|=A0192.168.11.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 link#1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 UHS =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0lo0 33|=A0192.168.12.0/24 =A0 =A0link#9 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 U =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 em0_vl 34|=A0192.168.12.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 link#9 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 UHS =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0lo0 35|=A0192.168.13.0/24 =A0 =A0192.168.1.2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0UG =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A00 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0em0 36|=A0192.168.13.1/32 =A0 =A0192.168.1.2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0UG =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A00 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0em0 Notice there's only one entry for 192.168.11.0/24 (line #25 got replaced wi= th line #31). And that's really the cruft of the issue: in FreeBSD you can only have the = one network route, whereas in OpenBSD, you can have multiple. When a neighb= our goes away in FreeBSD, the 192.168.11.0/24 route gets deleted. In OpenBS= D, there's no negative impact, since there are multiple routes to the same = network. Using our example, line #10 still exists as line #16 in OpenBSD, l= ine #25 gets deleted and line #31 gets created in FreeBSD. This isn't really a bug, it's more a difference in capabilities between Fre= eBSD's and OpenBSD's respective networking. OpenOSPFd doesn't seem to have = any special considerations for FreeBSD. The Fix / Workaround -------------------- The concept is simple: create an IP alias where the network overlaps the ex= isting IP/network. In our example, 192.168.11.0/24 is used to exchange OSPF information. Creat= e an alias of 192.168.10.1/23. That way when the 192.168.11.0/24 route gets= deleted, the systems will be accessible to each other over the 192.168.10.= 0/23 route. In order for this to work as expected, you'll need to make a co= uple changes to your ospfd.conf file. This is the original ospfd.conf file taken from the FreeBSD system, 37|=A0router-id 0.0.0.1 38|=A0redistribute connected 39|=A0redistribute static 40|=A0area 0.0.0.0 { 41|=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 interface em0 42|=A0} And this is what it looks like after adding the IP alias, 43|=A0router-id 0.0.0.1 44|=A0no redistribute 192.168.10.0/23 45|=A0redistribute connected 46|=A0redistribute static 47|=A0area 0.0.0.0 { 48|=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 interface em0:192.168.11.1 49|=A0} The `no distribute' is critical. Could people share their comments and experiences with OpenOSPFd on FreeBSD= ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 23:32:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD242106564A for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 23:32:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from emlpirnp0.waddell.com (emlpirnp0.waddell.com [67.130.252.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 802818FC13 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 23:32:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emlpfilt4.waddell.com ([10.1.10.26]) by emlpirnp1.waddell.com with ESMTP; 19 Aug 2011 18:32:35 -0500 Received: from emlpfilt4.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id D69572F8002; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:32:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ADVPHTCAS0.wradvisors.com (advphtcas0.wradvisors.com [192.168.203.228]) by emlpfilt4.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA16578BBD; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:32:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.133]) by ADVPHTCAS0.wradvisors.com ([192.168.203.228]) with mapi; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:32:35 -0500 From: Gary Gatten To: "'dsrepel@QHRTechnologies.com'" , "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:32:34 -0500 Thread-Topic: OpenOSPFd replacing network routes Thread-Index: AcxexIyMWReXGi+FSRyI3kwcSAA/lQAA7m8M Message-ID: <3699_1313796755_4E4EF293_3699_230_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C521886A@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <429779FA84C25746813752F506545182A04283F9@QTMail2.QuadrantHR.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: Re: OpenOSPFd replacing network routes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 23:32:36 -0000 I don't have any experience with *BSD and OSPF, only on Cisco. But I can't= help but wonder if there are not knobs to tune this? Equal costs routes a= re pretty common, and although I have not read the RFC on OSPF, I'd be surp= rised if ECR are not mandatory. ----- Original Message ----- From: Danny Srepel [mailto:dsrepel@QHRTechnologies.com] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 06:13 PM To: 'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org' Subject: OpenOSPFd replacing network routes There's a fundamental difference between OpenBSD and FreeBSD's respective n= etworking. Specifically, the kernel routing table. In OpenBSD, it is possib= le to have multiple routes to the same destination, and are differentiated = by priority. This capability does not exist in FreeBSD. Let me just get right into the details by outlining a functioning OpenBSD s= ystem, and where FreeBSD's issues are. This is my example ospfd.conf, 01|=A0router-id 0.0.0.1 02|=A0redistribute connected 03|=A0redistribute static 04|=A0area 0.0.0.0 { 05|=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 interface vlan1 06|=A0} Below is output from `netstat -rn' taken form an OpenBSD machine before the= OpenOSPFd process was started.=A0The 192.168.11.0/24 network is used to ex= change OSPF information with its neighbours. 192.168.12.0/24 is a connected= network to this host. 192.168.13.0/24 is one hop away (via 192.168.11.2, i= ts only neighbour). 07|=A0Destination =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Gateway =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Flags =A0 R= efs =A0 =A0 =A0Use =A0 Mtu =A0Prio Iface 08|=A0127/8 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0127.0.0.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0UGRS = =A0 =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 33160 =A0 =A0 8 lo0 09|=A0127.0.0.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0127.0.0.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0UH =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 33160 =A0 =A0 4 lo0 10|=A0192.168.11/24 =A0 =A0 =A0link#5 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 UC =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0 - =A0 =A0 4 vlan1 11|=A0192.168.12/24 =A0 =A0 =A0link#6 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 UC =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0 - =A0 =A0 4 vlan2 12|=A0224/4 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0127.0.0.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0URS =A0= =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 33160 =A0 =A0 8 lo0 And this is `netstat -rn' taken after OpenOSPFd finished negotiating with i= ts neighbour, 13|=A0Destination =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Gateway =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Flags =A0 R= efs =A0 =A0 =A0Use =A0 Mtu =A0Prio Iface 14|=A0127/8 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0127.0.0.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0UGRS = =A0 =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 33160 =A0 =A0 8 lo0 15|=A0127.0.0.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0127.0.0.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0UH =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 33160 =A0 =A0 4 lo0 16|=A0192.168.11/24 =A0 =A0 =A0link#5 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 UC =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0 - =A0 =A0 4 vlan1 17|=A0192.168.11/24 =A0 =A0 =A0192.168.11.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 UG =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0 - =A0 =A032 vlan1 18|=A0192.168.11.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 00:50:56:96:00:89 =A0UHLc =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0 - =A0 =A0 4 lo0 19|=A0192.168.11.2 =A0 =A0 =A0 00:50:56:96:00:90 =A0UHLc =A0 =A0 =A0 2 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A07 =A0 =A0 - =A0 =A0 4 vlan1 20|=A0192.168.12/24 =A0 =A0 =A0link#6 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 UC =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0 - =A0 =A0 4 vlan2 21|=A0192.168.13/24 =A0 =A0 =A0192.168.11.2 =A0 =A0 =A0 UG =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0 - =A0 =A032 vlan1 22|=A0224/4 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0127.0.0.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0URS =A0= =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 33160 =A0 =A0 8 lo0 Notice there are multiple entries for 192.168.11.0/24 (line #16-17). Line #= 17 was added by ospfd. Before continuing, I'm going to paste the equivalent information on FreeBSD= 's side, so that we can better compare.=A0Below is `netstat -rn' taken befo= re ospfd is started, 23|=A0Destination =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Gateway =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Flags =A0 = =A0Refs =A0 =A0 =A0Use =A0Netif Expire 24|=A0127.0.0.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0link#3 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 UH =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0 =A0139 =A0 =A0lo0 25|=A0192.168.11.0/24 =A0 =A0link#1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 U =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0em0 26|=A0192.168.11.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 link#1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 UHS =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0lo0 27|=A0192.168.12.0/24 =A0 =A0link#9 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 U =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 em0_vl 28|=A0192.168.12.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 link#9 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 UHS =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0lo0 And this is `netstat -rn' taken after OpenOSPFd finished negotiating with i= ts neighbour, 29|=A0Destination =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Gateway =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Flags =A0 = =A0Refs =A0 =A0 =A0Use =A0Netif Expire 30|=A0127.0.0.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0link#3 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 UH =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0 =A0147 =A0 =A0lo0 31|=A0192.168.11.0/24 =A0 =A0192.168.1.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0U =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A06 =A0 =A0em0 32|=A0192.168.11.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 link#1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 UHS =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0lo0 33|=A0192.168.12.0/24 =A0 =A0link#9 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 U =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 em0_vl 34|=A0192.168.12.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 link#9 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 UHS =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0lo0 35|=A0192.168.13.0/24 =A0 =A0192.168.1.2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0UG =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A00 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0em0 36|=A0192.168.13.1/32 =A0 =A0192.168.1.2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0UG =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A00 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0em0 Notice there's only one entry for 192.168.11.0/24 (line #25 got replaced wi= th line #31). And that's really the cruft of the issue: in FreeBSD you can only have the = one network route, whereas in OpenBSD, you can have multiple. When a neighb= our goes away in FreeBSD, the 192.168.11.0/24 route gets deleted. In OpenBS= D, there's no negative impact, since there are multiple routes to the same = network. Using our example, line #10 still exists as line #16 in OpenBSD, l= ine #25 gets deleted and line #31 gets created in FreeBSD. This isn't really a bug, it's more a difference in capabilities between Fre= eBSD's and OpenBSD's respective networking. OpenOSPFd doesn't seem to have = any special considerations for FreeBSD. The Fix / Workaround -------------------- The concept is simple: create an IP alias where the network overlaps the ex= isting IP/network. In our example, 192.168.11.0/24 is used to exchange OSPF information. Creat= e an alias of 192.168.10.1/23. That way when the 192.168.11.0/24 route gets= deleted, the systems will be accessible to each other over the 192.168.10.= 0/23 route. In order for this to work as expected, you'll need to make a co= uple changes to your ospfd.conf file. This is the original ospfd.conf file taken from the FreeBSD system, 37|=A0router-id 0.0.0.1 38|=A0redistribute connected 39|=A0redistribute static 40|=A0area 0.0.0.0 { 41|=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 interface em0 42|=A0} And this is what it looks like after adding the IP alias, 43|=A0router-id 0.0.0.1 44|=A0no redistribute 192.168.10.0/23 45|=A0redistribute connected 46|=A0redistribute static 47|=A0area 0.0.0.0 { 48|=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 interface em0:192.168.11.1 49|=A0} The `no distribute' is critical. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 00:53:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8BC5106564A for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 00:53:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5008FC1B for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 00:53:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.73]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1862916B4B7 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:53:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:53:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:53:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.6dollardialup.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Anyway to mount ext4fs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 00:53:57 -0000 Is there any port or other means of mount ext4fs? -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 03:33:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEBF1106564A for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 03:33:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697418FC0A for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 03:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7K3XX6R082839; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:33:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p7K3XXmu082836; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:33:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:33:33 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Pawe=B3_Michalicki?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-902635197-396028760-1313811213=:82697" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:33:33 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TIOCGSERIAL? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 03:33:34 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---902635197-396028760-1313811213=:82697 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Fri, 19 Aug 2011, Pawe³ Michalicki wrote: > Thanks for a load of replies. At least I know now, why this group is called > "freebsd-questions" and not "freebsd-answers". Don't give up hope. I'm interested but don't have the hardware. Probably the same situation with other people. Might find something useful in this thread: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2007-October/022055.html ---902635197-396028760-1313811213=:82697-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 04:47:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF9B106566B for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 04:47:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from antiequality@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 577198FC14 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 04:47:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwi36 with SMTP id 36so3643089wwi.31 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:47:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=HvMoCmHT9Vjhvh/U5UlostQ+0jchM4ELaVUE7HPzn7k=; b=WCLLoN7I9QI6xGl6ukZuiha6cq9TJXEPC0Pe/XPcu0EEnOtvmpaV/o/JlZXS+SBWNR SI2T0m8GFY2aV+/UBrTZyDBCRhLn51cbOu/xwQH/pG7SX7JZkiYwLjBFzaxIGJbvzBCc 6hy/oya6VRiQfRx7YA6X2MPFDgzOGuk3JdNN8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.68.143 with SMTP id l15mr97433wed.90.1313815624254; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.166.206 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 23:47:04 -0500 Message-ID: From: Evan Busch To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 04:47:05 -0000 Hi, I make decisions about hardware and software for those who work with me. Talking with my second in command this morning, we reached a quandary. Ron is completely pro-Linux and pro-Windows, and against FreeBSD. What is odd about this is that he's the biggest UNIX fanatic I know, not only all types of UNIX (dating back quite some time) but also all Unix-like OSen. I told him I was considering FreeBSD because of greater stability and security. He asked me a question that stopped me dead: "What is a quality operating system?" In his view, and now mine, a quality operating system is reliable, streamlined and clearly organized. Over the past few years, FreeBSD has drifted off-course in this department, in his view. Let me share the points he made that I consider valid (I have deleted two as trivial, and added one of my own): (1) Lack of direction. FreeBSD is still not sure whether it is a desktop OS, or a server OS. It is easy for the developers to say "well, it's whatever you want," but this makes the configuration process more involved. This works against people who have to use these operating systems to get anything done. In his view, a crucial metric here is the ability to estimate time required for any task. It may be a wide window, but it should not be as wide as "anywhere from 30 minutes to 96 hours." In his experience, FreeBSD varies widely on this front because in the name of keeping options open, standardization of interface and process has been deprecated. (2) Geek culture. Geek culture is the oldest clique on the internet. Their goal is to make friends with no one who is not like them. As a result, they specialize in the arcane, disorganized and ambiguous. This forces people to go through the same hoops they went through. This makes them happy, and drives away people who need to use operating systems to achieve real-world results. They reduce a community to hobbyists only. (3) Horrible documentation. This is my specialty and has been since the early 1980s. The FreeBSD documentation is wordy, disorganized, inconsistent and highly selective in what it mentions. It is not the product of professionals but it also not the product of volunteers with a focus on communication. It seems pro-forma, as in, "it's in the documentation, so don't bother me." The web site compounds this error by pointing us in multiple directions instead of to a singular resource. It is bad enough that man pages are separate from your main documentation tree, but now you have doubled or trebled the workload required of you without any benefit to the end user. (4) Elitism. To a developer, looking at some inconsistent or buggy interface and thinking, "If they can't do this, they don't belong using FreeBSD anyway" is too easy of a thought. Yet it looks to me like this happens quite a bit, and "this is for the elite" has become the default orientation. This is problematic in that there are people out there who are every bit as smart as you, or smarter, but are not specialized in computers. They want to use computers to achieve results; you may want to play around with your computer as an activity, but that is not so for everyone. (5) Hostile community. For the last several weeks, I have been observing the FreeBSD community. Two things stand out: many legitimate questions go ignored, and for others, response is hostile resulting in either incorrect answers, haughty snubs, and in many cases, a refusal to admit when the problem is FreeBSD and not the user. In particular, the community is oblivious to interfaces and chunks of code that have illogical or inconsistent interfaces, are buggy, or whose function does not correspond to what is documented (even in the manpages). (6) Selective fixes. I am guilty of this too, sometimes, but when you hope to build an operating system, it is a poor idea. Programmers work on what they want to work on. This leaves much of the unexciting stuff in a literal non-working state, and the entire community oblivious to it or uncaring. As Ron detailed, huge parts of FreeBSD are like buried land mines just waiting to detonate. They are details that can invoke that 30 minute to 96 hour time period instantly, usually right before you need to get something done. (7) Disorganized website. The part of the FreeBSD project that should set the tone for the community, the FreeBSD website, reflects every one of these criticisms. It is inconsistent and often disorganized; there is no clear path; resources are duplicated and squirreled away instead of organized and made into a process for others to follow. It is arcane, nuanced and cryptic for the purpose of keeping the community elitist, hobbyist and hostile to outsiders. In addition, huge portions of it break on a regular basis and seem to go unnoticed. The attitude of "that's for beginners, so we don't need it" persists even there. With the graphic design of the website I have no problem, but the arrangement of resources on it reflects a lack of presence of mind, or paying attention to the user experience. All of this adds up to a quality operating system in theory that does not translate into quality in reality. You alienate users and place the burden upon them to sort through your mess, then sneer at them. You alienate business, professional and artistic users with your insistence on hobbyism. These people have full lives; 48 hour sessions of trying to configure audio drivers, network cards or drive arrays are not in their interest. Even when you get big parts of the operating system correct, it's the thousand little details that have been forgotten, ignored or snootily written off that add up to many hours of frustration for the end user. This is not necessary frustration, and they get nothing out of it. It seems to exist because of the emotional and social attitudes of the FreeBSD team. Sadly, Ron is right. FreeBSD is not right for us, or any others who care about using an operating system as a means to an end. FreeBSD is a hobby and you have to use it because you like using it for the purpose of using it, and anything else will be incidental. That is the condition of FreeBSD now. If these criticisms were taken seriously, I believe the situation could change, and I hope it does. Fondly, Evan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 04:58:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E18A1065672 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 04:58:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomdean@speakeasy.org) Received: from mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CBA88FC17 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 04:58:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 25948 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2011 04:58:41 -0000 Received: from 24-113-112-30.wavecable.com (HELO [192.168.2.2]) (tomdean@[24.113.112.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 20 Aug 2011 04:58:41 -0000 From: "Thomas D. Dean" To: =?UTF-8?Q?Pawe=C5=82?= Michalicki In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Organization: Home Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:58:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1313816321.16574.11.camel@asus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TIOCGSERIAL? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: tomdean@speakeasy.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 04:58:42 -0000 On Fri, 2011-08-05 at 22:01 +0200, PaweÅ‚ Michalicki wrote: > I have a certain device which can be hooked to a PC via RS232 connection. > Since my PC does not have a true COM port, I am using an USB<->COM > converter, which contains the FTDI chip. I wrote a program to handle the > communications via the /dev/cuaU0, and all this works very well. The device > at the other end has an UART which is capable of wild variety of baudrates, > including standard rates of 19200, 38400 and 57600 bits per second. In my > program on FreeBSD I am using that last baudrate. What USB<-->serial adapter are you using? I use the pl2303. The baud rate for devices like the pl2303 is controlled in sys/dev/usb/serial/uplcom.c, I think. Look at uplcom.c, the comments at the top and lines 608..620. -or- grep uplcom_rates sys/dev/usb/serial/* -A10 You can insert your baud rate in that data structure and rebuild the kernel or module. Maybe. tomdean From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 05:13:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D745106564A for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 05:13:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from emlpirnp0.waddell.com (emlpirnp0.waddell.com [67.130.252.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F388FC12 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 05:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com ([10.1.10.28]) by emlpirnp1.waddell.com with ESMTP; 20 Aug 2011 00:13:40 -0500 Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A4AB3C444; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 00:13:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ADVPHTCAS0.wradvisors.com (advphtcas0.wradvisors.com [192.168.203.228]) by mailhost3.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CFF83C31C; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 00:13:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.133]) by ADVPHTCAS0.wradvisors.com ([192.168.203.228]) with mapi; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 00:13:40 -0500 From: Gary Gatten To: "'antiequality@gmail.com'" , "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 00:13:39 -0500 Thread-Topic: A quality operating system Thread-Index: Acxe9FSZJdTtM4T3SaKQwGAMdKIBigAA5clh Message-ID: <16851_1313817220_4E4F4284_16851_6517_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C521886E@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 05:13:41 -0000 Well.... This should spawn some interesting responses. I shall sit back a= nd enjoy.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Evan Busch [mailto:antiequality@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 11:47 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: A quality operating system Hi, I make decisions about hardware and software for those who work with me. Talking with my second in command this morning, we reached a quandary. Ron is completely pro-Linux and pro-Windows, and against FreeBSD. What is odd about this is that he's the biggest UNIX fanatic I know, not only all types of UNIX (dating back quite some time) but also all Unix-like OSen. I told him I was considering FreeBSD because of greater stability and secur= ity. He asked me a question that stopped me dead: "What is a quality operating system?" In his view, and now mine, a quality operating system is reliable, streamlined and clearly organized. Over the past few years, FreeBSD has drifted off-course in this department, in his view. Let me share the points he made that I consider valid (I have deleted two as trivial, and added one of my own): (1) Lack of direction. FreeBSD is still not sure whether it is a desktop OS, or a server OS. It is easy for the developers to say "well, it's whatever you want," but this makes the configuration process more involved. This works against people who have to use these operating systems to get anything done. In his view, a crucial metric here is the ability to estimate time required for any task. It may be a wide window, but it should not be as wide as "anywhere from 30 minutes to 96 hours." In his experience, FreeBSD varies widely on this front because in the name of keeping options open, standardization of interface and process has been deprecated. (2) Geek culture. Geek culture is the oldest clique on the internet. Their goal is to make friends with no one who is not like them. As a result, they specialize in the arcane, disorganized and ambiguous. This forces people to go through the same hoops they went through. This makes them happy, and drives away people who need to use operating systems to achieve real-world results. They reduce a community to hobbyists only. (3) Horrible documentation. This is my specialty and has been since the early 1980s. The FreeBSD documentation is wordy, disorganized, inconsistent and highly selective in what it mentions. It is not the product of professionals but it also not the product of volunteers with a focus on communication. It seems pro-forma, as in, "it's in the documentation, so don't bother me." The web site compounds this error by pointing us in multiple directions instead of to a singular resource. It is bad enough that man pages are separate from your main documentation tree, but now you have doubled or trebled the workload required of you without any benefit to the end user. (4) Elitism. To a developer, looking at some inconsistent or buggy interface and thinking, "If they can't do this, they don't belong using FreeBSD anyway" is too easy of a thought. Yet it looks to me like this happens quite a bit, and "this is for the elite" has become the default orientation. This is problematic in that there are people out there who are every bit as smart as you, or smarter, but are not specialized in computers. They want to use computers to achieve results; you may want to play around with your computer as an activity, but that is not so for everyone. (5) Hostile community. For the last several weeks, I have been observing the FreeBSD community. Two things stand out: many legitimate questions go ignored, and for others, response is hostile resulting in either incorrect answers, haughty snubs, and in many cases, a refusal to admit when the problem is FreeBSD and not the user. In particular, the community is oblivious to interfaces and chunks of code that have illogical or inconsistent interfaces, are buggy, or whose function does not correspond to what is documented (even in the manpages). (6) Selective fixes. I am guilty of this too, sometimes, but when you hope to build an operating system, it is a poor idea. Programmers work on what they want to work on. This leaves much of the unexciting stuff in a literal non-working state, and the entire community oblivious to it or uncaring. As Ron detailed, huge parts of FreeBSD are like buried land mines just waiting to detonate. They are details that can invoke that 30 minute to 96 hour time period instantly, usually right before you need to get something done. (7) Disorganized website. The part of the FreeBSD project that should set the tone for the community, the FreeBSD website, reflects every one of these criticisms. It is inconsistent and often disorganized; there is no clear path; resources are duplicated and squirreled away instead of organized and made into a process for others to follow. It is arcane, nuanced and cryptic for the purpose of keeping the community elitist, hobbyist and hostile to outsiders. In addition, huge portions of it break on a regular basis and seem to go unnoticed. The attitude of "that's for beginners, so we don't need it" persists even there. With the graphic design of the website I have no problem, but the arrangement of resources on it reflects a lack of presence of mind, or paying attention to the user experience. All of this adds up to a quality operating system in theory that does not translate into quality in reality. You alienate users and place the burden upon them to sort through your mess, then sneer at them. You alienate business, professional and artistic users with your insistence on hobbyism. These people have full lives; 48 hour sessions of trying to configure audio drivers, network cards or drive arrays are not in their interest. Even when you get big parts of the operating system correct, it's the thousand little details that have been forgotten, ignored or snootily written off that add up to many hours of frustration for the end user. This is not necessary frustration, and they get nothing out of it. It seems to exist because of the emotional and social attitudes of the FreeBSD team. Sadly, Ron is right. FreeBSD is not right for us, or any others who care about using an operating system as a means to an end. FreeBSD is a hobby and you have to use it because you like using it for the purpose of using it, and anything else will be incidental. That is the condition of FreeBSD now. If these criticisms were taken seriously, I believe the situation could change, and I hope it does. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 06:49:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471C3106566B for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 06:49:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ttsestt@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB8CF8FC16 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 06:49:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxe4 with SMTP id 4so3153039fxe.13 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 23:49:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=GjPSGoANRONGQS9/1MtbDAGOM4VVGt7S/Mw0m4fsQDU=; b=miHvPlSjLIaUlWZow+q7FcmpQag3G1b1J2npSXqyKIOIaVeuOAf5bW2JomwM014f0b x3/8amE8Zyw89OroBjy0HmBi7OY/htAceHT6sAy765q+sGWRZ/Gsn77ANz5XOO9O3WJk s3kAoESUySI7AuYNJIiRBstHDVyppgK6f4WQY= Received: by 10.223.85.145 with SMTP id o17mr444056fal.16.1313822966693; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 23:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (tor-exit-relay-proxy.nds.ruhr-uni-bochum.de [134.147.198.10]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b14sm3142164fab.43.2011.08.19.23.49.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 19 Aug 2011 23:49:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Test Rat To: Evan Busch References: Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 10:49:09 +0400 In-Reply-To: (Evan Busch's message of "Fri, 19 Aug 2011 23:47:04 -0500") Message-ID: <86wre8inmi.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 06:49:28 -0000 Evan Busch writes: [...] > Even when you get big parts of the operating system correct, it's the > thousand little details that have been forgotten, ignored or snootily > written off that add up to many hours of frustration for the end user. > This is not necessary frustration, and they get nothing out of it. It > seems to exist because of the emotional and social attitudes of the > FreeBSD team. There is an ongoing discussion on arch@ about this. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2011-August/011412.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 07:43:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F1ED106566B for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 07:43:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3CE08FC1B for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 07:43:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so1884350ewy.13 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 00:43:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=TE+TOkWpks57zizswfAVmuLREaxTWf9FHaMH+IQm9Dw=; b=vlH3dBHApMNrZR9/ECXb1NPPVeTA90fLkD67QF9EVL7PNNsvckWXYGQDsgRb2VFJA7 DqrWjR6sNy4bdL1L64G2eCZiBobnkjpAP25sX0tKaLmQZ3y2zt78u92qqlk4tOcsNZ++ 6YDvJ7O8d7QEL4myq1rrQlldrwIznk9eKqRQk= Received: by 10.213.28.84 with SMTP id l20mr51071ebc.139.1313824825213; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 00:20:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.23.11 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 00:19:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 10:19:45 +0300 Message-ID: To: User Questions Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=000e0cd1e2f601048504aaeaaee7 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 07:43:09 -0000 --000e0cd1e2f601048504aaeaaee7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 07:47, Evan Busch wrote: > Hi, > > I make decisions about hardware and software for those who work with me. > > Talking with my second in command this morning, we reached a quandary. > Ron is completely pro-Linux and pro-Windows, and against FreeBSD. > > What is odd about this is that he's the biggest UNIX fanatic I know, > not only all types of UNIX (dating back quite some time) but also all > Unix-like OSen. > > I told him I was considering FreeBSD because of greater stability and > security. > > He asked me a question that stopped me dead: > > "What is a quality operating system?" > > > In his view, and now mine, a quality operating system is reliable, > streamlined and clearly organized. > > Over the past few years, FreeBSD has drifted off-course in this > department, in his view. > > Let me share the points he made that I consider valid (I have deleted > two as trivial, and added one of my own): > > (1) Lack of direction. > > FreeBSD is still not sure whether it is a desktop OS, or a server OS. It is > easy for the developers to say "well, it's whatever you want," but this > makes the configuration process more involved. This works against people who > have to use these operating systems to get anything done. > I think it's not about being sure. It's there for you to use the way you like. There is only 1 FreeBSD. If you want to build a server, FreeBSD does it. If you want a Desktop, it does it too. You just need to have an open mind. Surely, I did not ever hear anyone say FreeBSD should be used as a Desktop OS though. It's meant to be a server. There is PC-BSD project which is working to create a Desktop environment of FreeBSD. If you guys want a Desktop, you need to head in that direction. > > In his view, a crucial metric here is the ability to estimate time required > for any task. It may be a wide window, but it should not be > as wide as "anywhere from 30 minutes to 96 hours." In his experience, > FreeBSD varies widely on this front because in the name of keeping options > open, standardization of interface and process has been deprecated. > That whole paragraph is some irrelevant assertion. The time taken by an OS to process some work does not depend on the name of the OS. It depends on the hardware, applications being used and the underlying processing. Would he care to tell us exactly how Linux (whichever it is) does this estimation? Based on what? > > (2) Geek culture. > > Geek culture is the oldest clique on the internet. Their goal is to make > friends with no one who is not like them. As a result, they > specialize in the arcane, disorganized and ambiguous. This forces people to > go through the same hoops they went through. This makes them happy, and > drives away people who need to use operating systems to achieve real-world > results. They reduce a community to hobbyists only. > I haven't experienced this in the FreeBSD community, as long as a new user asks questions smartly. Most people, not just the geeks, and including you, wouldn't want to spend time with a crystal ball trying to figure out what someone wants to do if they do not ask their questions in a way that is clear and forthright. > (3) Horrible documentation. > > This is my specialty and has been since the early 1980s. The FreeBSD > documentation is wordy, disorganized, inconsistent and highly selective in > what it mentions. It is not the product of professionals but it also not the > product of volunteers with a focus on > communication. It seems pro-forma, as in, "it's in the documentation, so > don't bother me." The web site compounds this error by pointing us in > multiple directions instead of to a singular resource. It is bad enough that > man pages are separate from your main documentation tree, but now you have > doubled or trebled the workload required of you without any benefit to the > end user. > Well, everytime I want to do something on FreeBSD, I always find the documentation. If it is not sufficient, the source code is there, and the developers are there. I just need to raise the issue with the developers. This has never failed me. The documentation is done by volunteers and is open for everyone who finds a mistake to correct it and send patches. Isn't that what Open Source is all about? I have never tried to compare FreeBSD and MS Windows documentation at any time. The distinction between those behind the two is quite clear. > > (4) Elitism. > > To a developer, looking at some inconsistent or buggy interface and > thinking, "If they can't do this, they don't belong using FreeBSD anyway" is > too easy of a thought. Yet it looks to me like this happens quite a bit, and > "this is for the elite" has become the default orientation. Could you please qualify that allegation by examples? You can include the URLs where this is exhibited. > This is problematic in that there are people out there who are every bit as > smart as you, or smarter, but are not specialized > in computers. They want to use computers to achieve results; you may want > to play around with your computer as an activity, but that is not so for > everyone. > Which OS is this you have in mind where they spoonfeed users? If you are still talking about Linux, then you've gotten me very confused. However, let us maintain some sobriety and mention those cases where you encountered Elitist developers. The onus is on you to prove the allegations, remember?? > > (5) Hostile community. > > For the last several weeks, I have been observing the FreeBSD community. > Two things stand out: many legitimate questions go ignored, and for others, > response is hostile resulting in either incorrect answers, haughty snubs, > and in many cases, a refusal to admit when the problem is FreeBSD and not > the user. In particular, the community is oblivious to interfaces and chunks > of code that have illogical or inconsistent interfaces, are buggy, or whose > function does not correspond to what is documented (even in the manpages). > Examples, please??? > > (6) Selective fixes. > > I am guilty of this too, sometimes, but when you hope to build an operating > system, it is a poor idea. Programmers work on what they want to work on. True. It's Open Source. No one is under obligation to work on something that is in your mind, and not their mind. Unless you are paying someone to do something, why would you expect them to read your mind and do things the way you think? Why do you think they should spend their time (without pay) to make people happy? I appreciate the developers who have consistently invested their time in making sure FreeBSD has the features it has. I think you too should. > This leaves much of the unexciting stuff in a literal non-working state, > and the entire community oblivious to it or uncaring. As Ron detailed, huge > parts of FreeBSD are like buried land mines just waiting to detonate. They > are details that can invoke that > 30 minute to 96 hour time period instantly, usually right before you need > to get something done. > Did Ron put you down to some practical sessions where he proved this to you, or you simply listened to him the way I see people listen to preachers??? > > (7) Disorganized website. > > The part of the FreeBSD project that should set the tone for the community, > the FreeBSD website, reflects every one of these > criticisms. It is inconsistent and often disorganized; there is no clear > path; resources are duplicated and squirreled away instead of > organized and made into a process for others to follow. It is arcane, > nuanced and cryptic for the purpose of keeping the community elitist, > hobbyist and hostile to outsiders. > Please show me how organized the "Linux website" looks. In this scenario, you've only ranted. Without being specific to which part of the website is disorganized, I'll tell you that there is no standard universal template for websites. There is the main website and there is the Wiki. Please see the Wiki as an opportunity for you to take your time and organize what you see as disorganized. > > In addition, huge portions of it break on a regular basis and seem to go > unnoticed. The attitude of "that's for beginners, so we don't need it" > persists even there. With the graphic design of the website I have no > problem, but the arrangement of resources on it reflects a lack of presence > of mind, or paying attention to the user experience. > > Now you are pissing me off, surely. Who ever said that the FreeBSD community was into website development business? You do not need websites as a user. You need the HOWTOs, to get you going. Nothing about website layout. Nothing about style. Just HOWTO do abc.... > > All of this adds up to a quality operating system in theory that does not > translate into quality in reality. > Then just use Windows, please. You pay for it and you can ask the Redmond team to do your bidding. When you don't pay for something, you have no moral rights to demand anything. > > You alienate users and place the burden upon them to sort through your > mess, then sneer at them. > Now I see why you posted this in the first place. Initially, I thought it was a critique but not I see unfounded, unsupported criticism. Let me remind you that it is a world of choices. If you feel alienated, you are as free as you came, to just turn round ans walk away. However, if you believe in what you want, you will get it. In life no one ever achieves anything without any hurdles. All humans are different. That is the kind of diversity you find in any community and you surely don't expect them to dance to any single universal tune like programmed robots! Some are good some are hostile some are silent some sneer...... It's everywhere, even in your favorite Linux world. > > You alienate business, professional and artistic users with your insistence > on hobbyism. These people have full lives; 48 hour sessions of trying to > configure audio drivers, network cards or drive arrays are not in their > interest. > > Hahaaaa... 48 hours of your time should be worth more than Windows 7 Ultimate or Windows Server (whichever version) that can do the same things you wanted. Perhaps you will find it easier with Windows? I must ask if you tried it with Windows - since there are free evaluations you could download and test. You should not waste time with FreeBSD in such a case. > Even when you get big parts of the operating system correct, it's the > thousand little details that have been forgotten, ignored or snootily > written off that add up to many hours of frustration for the end user. > This is not necessary frustration, and they get nothing out of it. It seems > to exist because of the emotional and social attitudes of the FreeBSD team. > > > Sadly, Ron is right. FreeBSD is not right for us, or any others who care > about using an operating system as a means to an end. FreeBSD is a hobby and > you have to use it because you like using it for the purpose of using it, > and anything else will be incidental. > > That is the condition of FreeBSD now. If these criticisms were taken > seriously, I believe the situation could change, and I hope it does. > Just use MS Windows as it perhaps does everything for you. Better still, just use Linux if it does what you want. There is no need to cry out of this when you don't pay a dime! -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email. --000e0cd1e2f601048504aaeaaee7-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 07:45:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560EC106566B for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 07:45:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from osp@aloha.com) Received: from mail003.19.63.A.static.mtka.securence.com (mail003.19.63.A.static.mtka.securence.com [216.17.63.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182778FC1F for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 07:45:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.9] (atm-251-63.pixi.com [206.127.251.63]) (user=osp@aloha.com mech=PLAIN) by smtpauth.pixi.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7K7jLTW015722; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:45:22 -1000 (HST) References: User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Open Slate Project Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:45:14 -1000 To: Evan Busch , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1313826324849-019-03837044.osp.aloha.com@smtpauth.pixi.com> X-Securence-ID: 1313826324849-019-03837044 X-Securence-Info: d224; 0orl0; 0otrp0; 100opp10; 12osrb3; 9ous163; 13oavs0; 100ovxr0; 1oclm101; 98ocom1; 98obsp0; 0ovrc0; 100ophc0; 0isd0; 0dds0; 11domsplt0; 0vac0; 100dogp0; 58med0; 41fsqd0; 10fsdd0; 91dod0; 0dds0; 75domsplt0; 24vac0; 98dogp0; 2med0; 100fsqd0; 98fsdd1; 77dod0; 23cld0; 100lrd0; 74dlv0; dmqq48; s458; t459 X-Securence-Latseq: <19-1313826325486> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 07:45:27 -0000 Perhaps you would be happier at an Apple Store. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 08:22:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C854106566C for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 08:22:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tijl@coosemans.org) Received: from mailrelay003.isp.belgacom.be (mailrelay003.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.6.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5978FC16 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 08:22:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Belgacom-Dynamic: yes X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmgGALFtT05bsebm/2dsb2JhbABCmHCPG3iBQAEBBVYjEAsYLjkeiAy4f4ZIBIcxnFs Received: from 230.230-177-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (HELO kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org) ([91.177.230.230]) by relay.skynet.be with ESMTP; 20 Aug 2011 10:22:39 +0200 Received: from kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org [127.0.0.1]) by kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7K8McvJ002296; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 10:22:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from tijl@coosemans.org) From: Tijl Coosemans To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 10:22:28 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.0-BETA1; KDE/4.6.5; i386; ; ) References: <20110817004913.792c125d@serene.no-ip.org> In-Reply-To: <20110817004913.792c125d@serene.no-ip.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1468504.nMRQB6dg2j"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201108201022.36963.tijl@coosemans.org> Cc: "Conrad J. Sabatier" Subject: Re: amarok doesn't support id3v2? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 08:22:42 -0000 --nextPart1468504.nMRQB6dg2j Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wednesday 17 August 2011 07:49:13 Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > I made a rather startling discovery tonight while playing with amarok > 1.4.10 and the id3v2 port. It seems that if I modify an MP3 files's > id3 tags in amarok, it deletes any existing id3v2 tags, leaving only > id3v1 tags on the file (as verified with the id3v2 command line tool). >=20 > This just seems wrong to me. If I understand correctly, taglib, which > is used by amarok, does support id3v2, so why isn't amarok taking > advantage of this facility? >=20 > I rebuilt and reinstalled amarok, just to see if it would make any > difference, but I'm still seeing the same behavior. >=20 > I also installed and tried the audio/juk port (also one the of KDE3 > multimedia family of packages, and also using taglib), and am seeing the > same thing there as well. No id3v2 tags, only id3v1. >=20 > What's up with this? Anyone? I suspect taglib uses id3v2.4 whereas id3lib (used by id3v2 port) only supports id3v2.3. --nextPart1468504.nMRQB6dg2j Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (FreeBSD) iF4EABEIAAYFAk5PbswACgkQfoCS2CCgtiut6AD+N7ZnLR4ndLzUJ0V7oCyNuEbx z4c9NgFiE+T1OyOCrhwA/32gWzWa4O+vsEmpUrElkSlSjquW3vyuTuN0YrK7i259 =vgSD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1468504.nMRQB6dg2j-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 08:35:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BE21065670 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 08:35:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hugo@barafranca.com) Received: from mail.barafranca.com (mail.barafranca.com [67.213.67.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00AF38FC15 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 08:35:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [172.16.100.24]) by mail.barafranca.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC9F95 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 08:35:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at barafranca.com Received: from mail.barafranca.com ([172.16.100.24]) by localhost (mail.barafranca.com [172.16.100.24]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yyMLHU+v2maO for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 08:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.1] (a89-152-172-232.cpe.netcabo.pt [89.152.172.232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.barafranca.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 57A928E for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 08:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4E4F718C.9030507@barafranca.com> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:34:20 +0100 From: Hugo Silva User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4E4E7AE1.3070202@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: BHyve X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 08:35:06 -0000 On 08/19/11 18:46, Brandon Gooch wrote: > On Aug 19, 2011 10:29 AM, "Net Warrior" wrote: >> >> Hi >> Does anyone know if there is any progress on this project or how can I > track/test it? >> >> Thanks you- >> Regards >> > > I'm interested in this as well, and I'm hoping that after 9.0 is out the > door that we might see a concerted effort (or at least some interest) from > developers to push forward with this. > I'm quite curious about it myself. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 09:03:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A87D106564A for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:03:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from v.velox@vvelox.net) Received: from vulpes.vvelox.net (vulpes.vvelox.net [99.69.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 044B68FC13 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:03:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net (vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net [192.168.15.2]) (Authenticated sender: kitsune) by vulpes.vvelox.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B0BDD3F4FF; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 04:03:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 04:01:29 -0500 From: "Zane C. B-H." To: Evan Busch Message-ID: <20110820040129.1ffd0f84@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:03:12 -0000 On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 23:47:04 -0500 Evan Busch wrote: > Hi, > > I make decisions about hardware and software for those who work > with me. > > Talking with my second in command this morning, we reached a > quandary. Ron is completely pro-Linux and pro-Windows, and against > FreeBSD. > > What is odd about this is that he's the biggest UNIX fanatic I know, > not only all types of UNIX (dating back quite some time) but also > all Unix-like OSen. > > I told him I was considering FreeBSD because of greater stability > and security. > > He asked me a question that stopped me dead: > > "What is a quality operating system?" > > > In his view, and now mine, a quality operating system is reliable, > streamlined and clearly organized. > > Over the past few years, FreeBSD has drifted off-course in this > department, in his view. > > Let me share the points he made that I consider valid (I have > deleted two as trivial, and added one of my own): > > (1) Lack of direction. > > FreeBSD is still not sure whether it is a desktop OS, or a server > OS. It is easy for the developers to say "well, it's whatever you > want," but this makes the configuration process more involved. This > works against people who have to use these operating systems to get > anything done. There is no difference between the two, only what one uses it as. > In his view, a crucial metric here is the ability to estimate time > required for any task. It may be a wide window, but it should not be > as wide as "anywhere from 30 minutes to 96 hours." In his > experience, FreeBSD varies widely on this front because in the name > of keeping options open, standardization of interface and process > has been deprecated. This makes zero sense with out any further information. > (2) Geek culture. > > Geek culture is the oldest clique on the internet. Their goal is to > make friends with no one who is not like them. As a result, they > specialize in the arcane, disorganized and ambiguous. This forces > people to go through the same hoops they went through. This makes > them happy, and drives away people who need to use operating > systems to achieve real-world results. They reduce a community to > hobbyists only. > > (3) Horrible documentation. > > This is my specialty and has been since the early 1980s. The FreeBSD > documentation is wordy, disorganized, inconsistent and highly > selective in what it mentions. It is not the product of > professionals but it also not the product of volunteers with a > focus on communication. It seems pro-forma, as in, "it's in the > documentation, so don't bother me." The web site compounds this > error by pointing us in multiple directions instead of to a > singular resource. It is bad enough that man pages are separate > from your main documentation tree, but now you have doubled or > trebled the workload required of you without any benefit to the end > user. I find it questionable if the person saying this has ever dealt with either Windows or Linux in any notable manner. Windows has documentation and lots of it. Every single bit of it extremely disorganized. In general with Linux I've found it is generally missing lots of information when it is present at all. > (4) Elitism. > > To a developer, looking at some inconsistent or buggy interface and > thinking, "If they can't do this, they don't belong using FreeBSD > anyway" is too easy of a thought. Yet it looks to me like this > happens quite a bit, and "this is for the elite" has become the > default orientation. This is problematic in that there are people > out there who are every bit as smart as you, or smarter, but are > not specialized in computers. They want to use computers to achieve > results; you may want to play around with your computer as an > activity, but that is not so for everyone. Inconsistent and/or buggy? With out context this is pointless. > (5) Hostile community. > > For the last several weeks, I have been observing the FreeBSD > community. Two things stand out: many legitimate questions go > ignored, and for others, response is hostile resulting in either > incorrect answers, haughty snubs, and in many cases, a refusal to > admit when the problem is FreeBSD and not the user. In particular, > the community is oblivious to interfaces and chunks of code that > have illogical or inconsistent interfaces, are buggy, or whose > function does not correspond to what is documented (even in the > manpages). And this person likes Linux? > (6) Selective fixes. > > I am guilty of this too, sometimes, but when you hope to build an > operating system, it is a poor idea. Programmers work on what they > want to work on. This leaves much of the unexciting stuff in a > literal non-working state, and the entire community oblivious to it > or uncaring. As Ron detailed, huge parts of FreeBSD are like buried > land mines just waiting to detonate. They are details that can > invoke that 30 minute to 96 hour time period instantly, usually > right before you need to get something done. No context... > (7) Disorganized website. > > The part of the FreeBSD project that should set the tone for the > community, the FreeBSD website, reflects every one of these > criticisms. It is inconsistent and often disorganized; there is no > clear path; resources are duplicated and squirreled away instead of > organized and made into a process for others to follow. It is > arcane, nuanced and cryptic for the purpose of keeping the > community elitist, hobbyist and hostile to outsiders. This person has not likely ever delved into Microsoft's documentation much before. > In addition, huge portions of it break on a regular basis and seem > to go unnoticed. The attitude of "that's for beginners, so we don't > need it" persists even there. With the graphic design of the > website I have no problem, but the arrangement of resources on it > reflects a lack of presence of mind, or paying attention to the > user experience. > > > All of this adds up to a quality operating system in theory that > does not translate into quality in reality. > > You alienate users and place the burden upon them to sort through > your mess, then sneer at them. > > You alienate business, professional and artistic users with your > insistence on hobbyism. These people have full lives; 48 hour > sessions of trying to configure audio drivers, network cards or > drive arrays are not in their interest. When you come to a new system, expect to learn new things. Although if you spent 48 hours on something like that it means one's basic unix skills are sorely lacking and would be problematic under any unix. > Even when you get big parts of the operating system correct, it's > the thousand little details that have been forgotten, ignored or > snootily written off that add up to many hours of frustration for > the end user. This is not necessary frustration, and they get > nothing out of it. It seems to exist because of the emotional and > social attitudes of the FreeBSD team. > > > Sadly, Ron is right. FreeBSD is not right for us, or any others who > care about using an operating system as a means to an end. FreeBSD > is a hobby and you have to use it because you like using it for the > purpose of using it, and anything else will be incidental. Nothing was critized in any worthwhile manner. It was all a bunch of throw away statements either lacking any context or detail to be taken seriously. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 09:03:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2171065672 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:03:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bagadeh@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46728FC13 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:03:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd10 with SMTP id 10so3105857gyd.13 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 02:03:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=OpPgD6keM6/2pQzTuyz043xb3HA89yyQ49vgRi3lHD4=; b=TL8feZWcy/wM/dlr44Jf2LnYzp2hjGt9pJxopBL5gRiNePvqXi6hQh77kiSF6GEnSl C5yrmVzrJnwwVrOUOjwNDzWGGBgs3HGnZeitp8oXZ0JY/g2DsSW1qjKaBCFPM1xtqPA1 NanZDo6GFkjV1URYvDTMjWm0QqgmV+HYvVcb4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.174.15 with SMTP id w15mr286397ybe.193.1313829493363; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 01:38:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.146.20 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 01:38:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:08:13 +0430 Message-ID: From: h bagade To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: pf nat with pool addresses X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:03:51 -0000 Hi all, I am trying to use pf nat rules with pool support on FreeBsd 8.0, working together with ipfw as the main firewall. According to the natting concepts i faced in manuals and docs, nat concept is to map the source address to the natted address when sending the packets from that source and then map the destination address of the related reply packets. but when I define pf nat rules with a pool of IP addresses not available on the outside interface ip addresses, the outgoing traffic is natted to one of the pool addresses but the response is not received via that interface so the pf can map the destination address to the real one. here is one of my configs i used during my tests: *configurations:* *pf.conf:* nat on eth1 from { 11.11.11.0/24} to any -> {172.16.10.1,172.16.10.2,172.16.10.3,172.16.10.4,172.16.10.5,172.16.10.6,172.16.10.7,172.16.10.8,172.16.10.9,172.16.10.10} main system configurations: eth0: 11.11.11.1 eth1: 172.16.10.64 system A: directly connected to eth0- 11.11.11.11 system B: directly connected to eth1- 172.16.10.65 in this configs the dafult route of system A and system B are the middle systems connected ip address. as mentioned, when systemA pings systemB, the ping requests are natted to 172.16.10.1 and received at systemB but systemB doesn't send icmp replies because it doesn't know to whom it should send the replies (no answer to system B 's ARP requests about who has the natted IP). now my question is, isn't it the pf nat responsibilty to manage this condition and send the ARP replies to SystemB? or, are my configs wrong? or i misunderstood the nat concepts? any ideas or helps are really appriciated as i have to set this nat on my main system, asap. Thanks in advance. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 09:10:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43DAF106564A for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:10:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tijl@coosemans.org) Received: from mailrelay011.isp.belgacom.be (mailrelay011.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.6.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C95FF8FC0C for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:10:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Belgacom-Dynamic: yes X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmoGAPZ4T05bsebm/2dsb2JhbABChEuUJY8beIFAAQEFIzMjEAsYKgICOR4ih2oCp0eREIU4gRAEpAw Received: from 230.230-177-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (HELO kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org) ([91.177.230.230]) by relay.skynet.be with ESMTP; 20 Aug 2011 11:10:14 +0200 Received: from kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org [127.0.0.1]) by kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7K9ADOK003153; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:10:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from tijl@coosemans.org) From: Tijl Coosemans To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:10:05 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.0-BETA1; KDE/4.6.5; i386; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1797029.75cvSF56hR"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201108201110.11624.tijl@coosemans.org> Cc: Ross Subject: Re: Redirect sound of flash plugin? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:10:17 -0000 --nextPart1797029.75cvSF56hR Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Friday 12 August 2011 17:15:04 Ross wrote: > Is it possible to redirect sound of flash plugin? >=20 > I am running firefox via ssh. Currently I successfully redirected > sound of other applications using NAS. How can I do the same with > flash? Maybe intercept sound some how. The flash plugin sound goes through libflashsupport, which is a small open source library that allows anyone to implement any sound backend. The libflashsupport currently installed by the flash plugin port (/compat/linux/usr/lib/libflashsupport.so) only supports OSS now. With any luck somebody has already implemented NAS support and all you have to do is replace this library. In case you want to implement it yourself, you can find the source code for our (slightly patched) libflashsupport at http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3Dports/127839 Note that the library has to be compiled as a Linux library, not a =46reeBSD one. An alternative would be to experiment with libaudiooss, which allows capturing OSS output from any program and send it over NAS. This project looks abandoned though. --nextPart1797029.75cvSF56hR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (FreeBSD) iF4EABEIAAYFAk5PefMACgkQfoCS2CCgtisAeAD+JRLCLAFQs4GCxTz27/23Q2Tu VBrZE2+nRdgJuAdFzVkA/2aHRbRwXxBHr/1K0igbpXY/Fuow4b/ktQNTlBPzToDQ =TJiC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1797029.75cvSF56hR-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 10:13:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E084A106566B for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 10:13:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from basarevych@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0828FC08 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 10:13:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwc9 with SMTP id 9so3134872qwc.13 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 03:13:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=72s9DyiQy96tU8eD1efXAKY1Vf84SpcakZw67eBwaEs=; b=S8jL8QBPe/RcQaeOX08Nr4fU31kja1EQowLN8melmOUUevZyPC9LEEB7ZRPs8+htI6 4CQvYsymctA+1+LRDtkjzdf9XIGDIYhSdhQ5mW3aIp8kKuZcGsGwyYfQ4j2Dt3tb446n sTM+uarDCgS6uz7n5X6/1I2nmpfq+k2jUasJ4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.189.2 with SMTP id dc2mr234595qab.215.1313835212971; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 03:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.233.144 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 03:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:13:32 +0300 Message-ID: From: Ross To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: make release always fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 10:13:36 -0000 It looks that I am compiling wrong TAG, somehow. I have RELENG_8 sup file: *default host=cvsup3.ua.FreeBSD.org *default base=/share/freebsd/cvsup *default prefix=/share/freebsd/RELENG_8 *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8 *default delete use-rel-suffix src-all And CVS supfile: *default host=cvsup6.ua.freebsd.org *default base=/share/freebsd/cvsup *default prefix=/share/freebsd/ncvs *default release=cvs *default delete use-rel-suffix src-all ports-all doc-all cvsroot-all First csup both sup-files. Then make buildworld in /usr/src (which is symlink to /share/freebsd/RELENG_8/src). It always succeeds. Then: cd /usr/src/release make release RELEASETAG=RELENG_8 \ PORTSRELEASETAG=HEAD \ BUILDNAME=8.2-STABLE-$DATE \ CHROOTDIR=/share/freebsd/release \ CVSROOT=/share/freebsd/ncvs This is always fails. Each day with different errors. I want to build nightly snapshots (DVDs) of 8.2-STABLE, what am I doing wrong? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 11:59:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42BFF106566B for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:59:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE74B8FC14 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:59:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vhoffman-macbooklocal.local ([10.10.10.20]) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7KBxp4B054722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:59:51 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <4E4FA1B7.4060305@unsane.co.uk> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:59:51 +0100 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4E4E7AE1.3070202@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E4E7AE1.3070202@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: BHyve X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:59:53 -0000 On 19/08/2011 16:01, Net Warrior wrote: > Hi > Does anyone know if there is any progress on this project or how can I > track/test it? > It was imported into svn http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/projects/bhyve_ref/ so you could check it out and have a try ;) I'm hoping to hear that its being ported to 9 as thats based off 8.1 at the moment. Vince > Thanks you- > Regards > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 12:52:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C925106566C for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:52:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hasse@thorshammare.org) Received: from smtprelay-h21.telenor.se (smtprelay-h21.telenor.se [195.54.99.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB6998FC0C for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:52:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ipb1.telenor.se (ipb1.telenor.se [195.54.127.164]) by smtprelay-h21.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D15DE289 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:31:32 +0200 (CEST) X-SENDER-IP: [83.227.225.121] X-LISTENER: [smtp.bredband.net] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aks5APmoT05T4+F5PGdsb2JhbABCmhiNdAsBAQEBNzKBQQEBAQMBAQEFICYIGBgDAhYBATAHGQ4BBQQIAwcDEQEBBAEHBwQBCgkBCASHUgK4bYZIBIcxiVWTBg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.68,255,1312149600"; d="scan'208";a="214135761" Received: from ua-83-227-225-121.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO odin.thorshammare.org) ([83.227.225.121]) by ipb1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 20 Aug 2011 14:31:31 +0200 Received: from Obah (obah [192.168.1.10]) by odin.thorshammare.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7KCV67R014348; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:31:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hasse@thorshammare.org) From: "Hasse Hansson" To: "'Evan Busch'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:30:22 +0200 Organization: The Valhalla Project Message-ID: <004a01cc5f34$f18c1790$d4a446b0$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acxe9F4PGlhItRLUSVmgZCOH9KNm+AAQHrTg Content-Language: sv X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on odin.thorshammare.org Cc: Subject: SV: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:52:38 -0000 Happy Trolling :-) /Hasse -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] P=E5 vegne af Evan Busch Sendt: den 20 augusti 2011 06:47 Til: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Emne: A quality operating system Hi, I make decisions about hardware and software for those who work with me. Talking with my second in command this morning, we reached a quandary. Ron is completely pro-Linux and pro-Windows, and against FreeBSD. What is odd about this is that he's the biggest UNIX fanatic I know, not only all types of UNIX (dating back quite some time) but also all Unix-like OSen. I told him I was considering FreeBSD because of greater stability and security. He asked me a question that stopped me dead: "What is a quality operating system?" In his view, and now mine, a quality operating system is reliable, streamlined and clearly organized. Over the past few years, FreeBSD has drifted off-course in this department, in his view. Let me share the points he made that I consider valid (I have deleted two as trivial, and added one of my own): (1) Lack of direction. FreeBSD is still not sure whether it is a desktop OS, or a server OS. It is easy for the developers to say "well, it's whatever you want," but this makes the configuration process more involved. This works against people who have to use these operating systems to get anything done. In his view, a crucial metric here is the ability to estimate time required for any task. It may be a wide window, but it should not be as wide as "anywhere from 30 minutes to 96 hours." In his experience, FreeBSD varies widely on this front because in the name of keeping options open, standardization of interface and process has been deprecated. (2) Geek culture. Geek culture is the oldest clique on the internet. Their goal is to make friends with no one who is not like them. As a result, they specialize in the arcane, disorganized and ambiguous. This forces people to go through the same hoops they went through. This makes them happy, and drives away people who need to use operating systems to achieve real-world results. They reduce a community to hobbyists only. (3) Horrible documentation. This is my specialty and has been since the early 1980s. The FreeBSD documentation is wordy, disorganized, inconsistent and highly selective in what it mentions. It is not the product of professionals but it also not the product of volunteers with a focus on communication. It seems pro-forma, as in, "it's in the documentation, so don't bother me." The web site compounds this error by pointing us in multiple directions instead of to a singular resource. It is bad enough that man pages are separate from your main documentation tree, but now you have doubled or trebled the workload required of you without any benefit to the end user. (4) Elitism. To a developer, looking at some inconsistent or buggy interface and thinking, "If they can't do this, they don't belong using FreeBSD anyway" is too easy of a thought. Yet it looks to me like this happens quite a bit, and "this is for the elite" has become the default orientation. This is problematic in that there are people out there who are every bit as smart as you, or smarter, but are not specialized in computers. They want to use computers to achieve results; you may want to play around with your computer as an activity, but that is not so for everyone. (5) Hostile community. For the last several weeks, I have been observing the FreeBSD community. Two things stand out: many legitimate questions go ignored, and for others, response is hostile resulting in either incorrect answers, haughty snubs, and in many cases, a refusal to admit when the problem is FreeBSD and not the user. In particular, the community is oblivious to interfaces and chunks of code that have illogical or inconsistent interfaces, are buggy, or whose function does not correspond to what is documented (even in the manpages). (6) Selective fixes. I am guilty of this too, sometimes, but when you hope to build an operating system, it is a poor idea. Programmers work on what they want to work on. This leaves much of the unexciting stuff in a literal non-working state, and the entire community oblivious to it or uncaring. As Ron detailed, huge parts of FreeBSD are like buried land mines just waiting to detonate. They are details that can invoke that 30 minute to 96 hour time period instantly, usually right before you need to get something done. (7) Disorganized website. The part of the FreeBSD project that should set the tone for the community, the FreeBSD website, reflects every one of these criticisms. It is inconsistent and often disorganized; there is no clear path; resources are duplicated and squirreled away instead of organized and made into a process for others to follow. It is arcane, nuanced and cryptic for the purpose of keeping the community elitist, hobbyist and hostile to outsiders. In addition, huge portions of it break on a regular basis and seem to go unnoticed. The attitude of "that's for beginners, so we don't need it" persists even there. With the graphic design of the website I have no problem, but the arrangement of resources on it reflects a lack of presence of mind, or paying attention to the user experience. All of this adds up to a quality operating system in theory that does not translate into quality in reality. You alienate users and place the burden upon them to sort through your mess, then sneer at them. You alienate business, professional and artistic users with your insistence on hobbyism. These people have full lives; 48 hour sessions of trying to configure audio drivers, network cards or drive arrays are not in their interest. Even when you get big parts of the operating system correct, it's the thousand little details that have been forgotten, ignored or snootily written off that add up to many hours of frustration for the end user. This is not necessary frustration, and they get nothing out of it. It seems to exist because of the emotional and social attitudes of the FreeBSD team. Sadly, Ron is right. FreeBSD is not right for us, or any others who care about using an operating system as a means to an end. FreeBSD is a hobby and you have to use it because you like using it for the purpose of using it, and anything else will be incidental. That is the condition of FreeBSD now. If these criticisms were taken seriously, I believe the situation could change, and I hope it does. Fondly, Evan _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 13:32:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10029106564A for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:32:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbiquez@intranet.com.mx) Received: from intranet.com.mx (intranet.com.mx [200.33.246.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57B38FC0A for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:32:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from PC2.intranet.com.mx (189.191.91.101) by intranet.com.mx with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.9) for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 08:19:53 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 08:18:16 -0500 To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" From: Jorge Biquez Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-ID: <3396691193-1338588389@intranet.com.mx> Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:32:25 -0000 Hello. Very interesting... let's see the answers from the experts.... By the way.... maybe answer me off topic... so then.... what was your choice of OS? Jorge Biquez At 11:47 p.m. 19/08/2011, you wrote: >Hi, > >I make decisions about hardware and software for those who work with me. > >Talking with my second in command this morning, we reached a quandary. >Ron is completely pro-Linux and pro-Windows, and against FreeBSD. > >What is odd about this is that he's the biggest UNIX fanatic I know, >not only all types of UNIX (dating back quite some time) but also all >Unix-like OSen. > >I told him I was considering FreeBSD because of greater stability >and security. > >He asked me a question that stopped me dead: > >"What is a quality operating system?" > > >In his view, and now mine, a quality operating system is reliable, >streamlined and clearly organized. > >Over the past few years, FreeBSD has drifted off-course in this >department, in his view. > >Let me share the points he made that I consider valid (I have deleted >two as trivial, and added one of my own): > >(1) Lack of direction. > >FreeBSD is still not sure whether it is a desktop OS, or a server OS. >It is easy for the developers to say "well, it's whatever you want," >but this makes the configuration process more involved. This works >against people who have to use these operating systems to get anything >done. > >In his view, a crucial metric here is the ability to estimate time >required for any task. It may be a wide window, but it should not be >as wide as "anywhere from 30 minutes to 96 hours." In his experience, >FreeBSD varies widely on this front because in the name of keeping >options open, standardization of interface and process has been >deprecated. > >(2) Geek culture. > >Geek culture is the oldest clique on the internet. Their goal is to >make friends with no one who is not like them. As a result, they >specialize in the arcane, disorganized and ambiguous. This forces >people to go through the same hoops they went through. This makes them >happy, and drives away people who need to use operating systems to >achieve real-world results. They reduce a community to hobbyists only. > >(3) Horrible documentation. > >This is my specialty and has been since the early 1980s. The FreeBSD >documentation is wordy, disorganized, inconsistent and highly >selective in what it mentions. It is not the product of professionals >but it also not the product of volunteers with a focus on >communication. It seems pro-forma, as in, "it's in the documentation, >so don't bother me." The web site compounds this error by pointing us >in multiple directions instead of to a singular resource. It is bad >enough that man pages are separate from your main documentation tree, >but now you have doubled or trebled the workload required of you >without any benefit to the end user. > >(4) Elitism. > >To a developer, looking at some inconsistent or buggy interface and >thinking, "If they can't do this, they don't belong using FreeBSD >anyway" is too easy of a thought. Yet it looks to me like this happens >quite a bit, and "this is for the elite" has become the default >orientation. This is problematic in that there are people out there >who are every bit as smart as you, or smarter, but are not specialized >in computers. They want to use computers to achieve results; you may >want to play around with your computer as an activity, but that is not >so for everyone. > >(5) Hostile community. > >For the last several weeks, I have been observing the FreeBSD >community. Two things stand out: many legitimate questions go ignored, >and for others, response is hostile resulting in either incorrect >answers, haughty snubs, and in many cases, a refusal to admit when the >problem is FreeBSD and not the user. In particular, the community is >oblivious to interfaces and chunks of code that have illogical or >inconsistent interfaces, are buggy, or whose function does not >correspond to what is documented (even in the manpages). > >(6) Selective fixes. > >I am guilty of this too, sometimes, but when you hope to build an >operating system, it is a poor idea. Programmers work on what they >want to work on. This leaves much of the unexciting stuff in a literal >non-working state, and the entire community oblivious to it or >uncaring. As Ron detailed, huge parts of FreeBSD are like buried land >mines just waiting to detonate. They are details that can invoke that >30 minute to 96 hour time period instantly, usually right before you >need to get something done. > >(7) Disorganized website. > >The part of the FreeBSD project that should set the tone for the >community, the FreeBSD website, reflects every one of these >criticisms. It is inconsistent and often disorganized; there is no >clear path; resources are duplicated and squirreled away instead of >organized and made into a process for others to follow. It is arcane, >nuanced and cryptic for the purpose of keeping the community elitist, >hobbyist and hostile to outsiders. > >In addition, huge portions of it break on a regular basis and seem to >go unnoticed. The attitude of "that's for beginners, so we don't need >it" persists even there. With the graphic design of the website I have >no problem, but the arrangement of resources on it reflects a lack of >presence of mind, or paying attention to the user experience. > > >All of this adds up to a quality operating system in theory that does >not translate into quality in reality. > >You alienate users and place the burden upon them to sort through your >mess, then sneer at them. > >You alienate business, professional and artistic users with your >insistence on hobbyism. These people have full lives; 48 hour sessions >of trying to configure audio drivers, network cards or drive arrays >are not in their interest. > >Even when you get big parts of the operating system correct, it's the >thousand little details that have been forgotten, ignored or snootily >written off that add up to many hours of frustration for the end user. >This is not necessary frustration, and they get nothing out of it. It >seems to exist because of the emotional and social attitudes of the >FreeBSD team. > > >Sadly, Ron is right. FreeBSD is not right for us, or any others who >care about using an operating system as a means to an end. FreeBSD is >a hobby and you have to use it because you like using it for the >purpose of using it, and anything else will be incidental. > >That is the condition of FreeBSD now. If these criticisms were taken >seriously, I believe the situation could change, and I hope it does. > >Fondly, >Evan >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 14:46:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D2C1065670 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:46:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD0048FC16 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p7KEjQEp049060; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 10:45:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id p7KEjQpG049059; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 10:45:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 10:45:26 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Evan Busch Message-ID: <20110820144526.GA49027@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:46:26 -0000 On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:47:04PM -0500, Evan Busch wrote: > Hi, > > I make decisions about hardware and software for those who work with me. > > Talking with my second in command this morning, we reached a quandary. > Ron is completely pro-Linux and pro-Windows, and against FreeBSD. > > What is odd about this is that he's the biggest UNIX fanatic I know, > not only all types of UNIX (dating back quite some time) but also all > Unix-like OSen. > > I told him I was considering FreeBSD because of greater stability and security. > > He asked me a question that stopped me dead: > > "What is a quality operating system?" > One that works reliably - like FreeBSD. I hope it is confy under that bridge. ////jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 15:52:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F102B106564A for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:52:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=0206ce3bfe=johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [64.57.183.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B8F88FC16 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 52102 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2011 15:25:56 -0000 Received: from leila.iecc.com (64.57.183.34) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2011 15:25:56 -0000 Date: 20 Aug 2011 15:25:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20110820152534.13273.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: gnome-open won't open my browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:52:39 -0000 gnome-open is the program that opens your browser when you click on a link in gnome-terminal. Except that recently it's started opening Gedit, the gnome text editor, instead. I have triple super checked to be absolutely sure that the preferred web browser application is my browser (chrome). Since I never use gedit, I have stuck in a kludge, replacing gedit with a one line shell script that runs chrome instead, but that's silly. Any suggestions where gnomo-open is getting the idea to run gedit rather than a browser? R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 17:10:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF19C106566B for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:10:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo201.cox.net (eastrmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F518FC15 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:10:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20110820171012.LFAY32549.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net>; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:10:12 -0400 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.83.25]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id NhAA1h0090YnB6A02hABPm; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:10:12 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020204.4E4FEA74.001D,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=L18tZtgXvCjggtrPsn7EqxywmDwdeqj6Yva+6kM3mdg= c=1 sm=1 a=AHD3wGNpyZoA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=2vO5UZG1h46htWAnE/rx2g==:17 a=YqRfAJJkAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=JLbnkdvtqWpHDtNEWsQA:9 a=4vXEsvBUh6Sked_T5i8A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=UIDpq6-GphUA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=2vO5UZG1h46htWAnE/rx2g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7KHA6NK054237; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:10:09 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:10:01 -0500 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: Tijl Coosemans Message-ID: <20110820121001.654aa63d@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <201108201022.36963.tijl@coosemans.org> References: <20110817004913.792c125d@serene.no-ip.org> <201108201022.36963.tijl@coosemans.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: amarok doesn't support id3v2? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:10:21 -0000 On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 10:22:28 +0200 Tijl Coosemans wrote: > On Wednesday 17 August 2011 07:49:13 Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > > I made a rather startling discovery tonight while playing with > > amarok 1.4.10 and the id3v2 port. It seems that if I modify an MP3 > > files's id3 tags in amarok, it deletes any existing id3v2 tags, > > leaving only id3v1 tags on the file (as verified with the id3v2 > > command line tool). > > > > This just seems wrong to me. If I understand correctly, taglib, > > which is used by amarok, does support id3v2, so why isn't amarok > > taking advantage of this facility? > > > > I rebuilt and reinstalled amarok, just to see if it would make any > > difference, but I'm still seeing the same behavior. > > > > I also installed and tried the audio/juk port (also one the of KDE3 > > multimedia family of packages, and also using taglib), and am > > seeing the same thing there as well. No id3v2 tags, only id3v1. > > > > What's up with this? Anyone? > > I suspect taglib uses id3v2.4 whereas id3lib (used by id3v2 port) only > supports id3v2.3. Ah, interesting. Hadn't considered such a possibility. Still, I'm puzzled. If I take a perfectly tagged file, modify it in any way inside amarok, and then try to view the tags again using the command line tool id3v2, all the id3v2 tags have been blown away. Is there that radical a change between the ID3 spec version 2.3 and 2.4 that the tags would be completely unrecognizable anymore by id3v2? Thanks for the response. -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 17:52:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CD31065679 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:52:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave-freebsd@pooserville.com) Received: from smtp.pooserville.com (mail.pooserville.com [69.26.223.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FCF78FC14 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:52:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mail.pooserville.com) by smtp.pooserville.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id LQ8L49-0020ZM-NY for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:12:09 -0500 Received: from [76.183.154.110] (account dave-sa@pooserville.com HELO [192.168.74.51]) by mail.pooserville.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 983133 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:12:09 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.12.0.110505 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:12:00 -0500 From: Dave Pooser Sender: Dave Pooser To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: A quality operating system In-Reply-To: <86wre8inmi.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:52:54 -0000 On 8/20/11 1:49 AM, "Test Rat" wrote: >There is an ongoing discussion on arch@ about this. > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2011-August/011412.html Thanks for posting that link; it covered some of the reasons I'm retiring my office FreeBSD servers in favor of Solaris and Linux. My own take: 1) I really don't see the Handbook as all that great. It's great that a volunteer team put it together, but when I compare it to or , I don't think the FreeBSD handbook compares well. 2) Lack of geek-on-the-street support. If I'm looking for an experienced Linux administrator, I'll get thousands of applications; for a Solaris administrator, I'll get hundreds. For a BSD admin? Maybe half a dozen? 3) Updates are a mess. It's cool that I *can* compile a new kernel, but that I *have* to is ridiculous. Updating a server should not be more difficult than "yum update" -- full stop. 4) Poor support from running FreeBSD under virtualization. When I start to think about deploying a new server, I'll generally spin up a new VM on my workstation or on an ESXi host. If I have trouble with that VM, my first response is not going to be to try again with the same OS, it's going to be to fall back to a configuration I know works. There are some things I liked a lot about FreeBSD -- its support for DTrace and ZFS was the reason I looked into it in the first place. But from where I sit, technologies like that are just duct-taped on to the base system rather than integrated. (For example, why isn't there something like the [Open]Solaris beadm, where the system creates a ZFS snapshot automatically before any major updates to let you revert to not just an earlier kernel but an earlier world?) Just my $.02. -- Dave Pooser Cat-Herder-in-Chief, Pooserville.com "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well-preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 18:01:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C1510656D6 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:01:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo201.cox.net (eastrmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D4E8FC08 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:01:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20110820180141.MEVJ32549.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:01:41 -0400 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.83.25]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id Ni1e1h00b0YnB6A02i1gpz; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:01:40 -0400 X-CT-Class: Suspect X-CT-Score: 4.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020209.4E4FF684.00AB,ss=2,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=L18tZtgXvCjggtrPsn7EqxywmDwdeqj6Yva+6kM3mdg= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=2vO5UZG1h46htWAnE/rx2g==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=QoVJfhGjKN7_JtJYEO4A:9 a=sux5czcnim2MA7oaLqkA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=bi9YfK7qKzD3be-m:21 a=tsdhPLkFyoXiysWK:21 a=2vO5UZG1h46htWAnE/rx2g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7KI1ZMm060496 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:01:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:01:30 -0500 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110820130130.59c382b4@cox.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:01:47 -0000 On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 23:47:04 -0500 Evan Busch wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I make decisions about hardware and software for those who work with > me. >=20 > Talking with my second in command this morning, we reached a quandary. > Ron is completely pro-Linux and pro-Windows, and against FreeBSD. Ron must be a pretty persuasive fellow. Obviously, his bias has already rubbed off on you. :-) > What is odd about this is that he's the biggest UNIX fanatic I know, > not only all types of UNIX (dating back quite some time) but also all > Unix-like OSen. "Odd" is putting it mildly. > I told him I was considering FreeBSD because of greater stability and > security. >=20 > He asked me a question that stopped me dead: >=20 > "What is a quality operating system?" In a word, FreeBSD. =20 > In his view, and now mine, a quality operating system is reliable, > streamlined and clearly organized. You mean, like FreeBSD. > Over the past few years, FreeBSD has drifted off-course in this > department, in his view. >=20 > Let me share the points he made that I consider valid (I have deleted > two as trivial, and added one of my own): >=20 > (1) Lack of direction. >=20 > FreeBSD is still not sure whether it is a desktop OS, or a server OS. > It is easy for the developers to say "well, it's whatever you want," > but this makes the configuration process more involved. This works > against people who have to use these operating systems to get anything > done. >=20 > In his view, a crucial metric here is the ability to estimate time > required for any task. It may be a wide window, but it should not be > as wide as "anywhere from 30 minutes to 96 hours." In his experience, > FreeBSD varies widely on this front because in the name of keeping > options open, standardization of interface and process has been > deprecated. If I'm understanding the main thrust of this argument, you'd prefer that FreeBSD, like many Linux distros (or Windows), force the same desktop/interface/user environment on everyone from the get-go. Many here would disagree with such a philosophy (myself, included). > (2) Geek culture. >=20 > Geek culture is the oldest clique on the internet. Their goal is to > make friends with no one who is not like them. As a result, they > specialize in the arcane, disorganized and ambiguous. This forces > people to go through the same hoops they went through. This makes them > happy, and drives away people who need to use operating systems to > achieve real-world results. They reduce a community to hobbyists only. This is sheer nonsense. Unless you have some salient information to backup such an assertion, it's not worth responding to. =20 > (3) Horrible documentation. Say whaaaaat!?!?!? > This is my specialty and has been since the early 1980s. The FreeBSD > documentation is wordy, disorganized, inconsistent and highly > selective in what it mentions. It is not the product of professionals > but it also not the product of volunteers with a focus on > communication. It seems pro-forma, as in, "it's in the documentation, > so don't bother me." The web site compounds this error by pointing us > in multiple directions instead of to a singular resource. It is bad > enough that man pages are separate from your main documentation tree, > but now you have doubled or trebled the workload required of you > without any benefit to the end user. This is just plain crazy. Where would you suggest the man pages go? The base set of man pages document the base system, and as such, are situated exactly where they belong. As for shoddy documentation, spend a week or two with any Linux distro, and see how quickly you run up against inconsistencies between the man pages and the actual functionality built into certain programs. Options mentioned in the man pages often don't exist in reality, and vice versa. > (4) Elitism. >=20 > To a developer, looking at some inconsistent or buggy interface and > thinking, "If they can't do this, they don't belong using FreeBSD > anyway" is too easy of a thought. Yet it looks to me like this happens > quite a bit, and "this is for the elite" has become the default > orientation. This is problematic in that there are people out there > who are every bit as smart as you, or smarter, but are not specialized > in computers. They want to use computers to achieve results; you may > want to play around with your computer as an activity, but that is not > so for everyone. >=20 > (5) Hostile community. >=20 > For the last several weeks, I have been observing the FreeBSD > community. Two things stand out: many legitimate questions go ignored, > and for others, response is hostile resulting in either incorrect > answers, haughty snubs, and in many cases, a refusal to admit when the > problem is FreeBSD and not the user. In particular, the community is > oblivious to interfaces and chunks of code that have illogical or > inconsistent interfaces, are buggy, or whose function does not > correspond to what is documented (even in the manpages). Points (4) and (5) seem to be addressing very similar ideas, and again, I have to disagree. The online FreeBSD community is extremely helpful, and a fantastic support resource for everyone from the rank newbie to the seasoned developer. If a question goes ignored, or is met with criticism, it's usually for a very good reason, i.e., a very poorly thought-out, vague, or downright unintelligible request for help, something completely off-topic for a given list or forum, etc. I've seen far more flame wars and insulting responses in the Linux community. The FreeBSD community, for the most part, shows remarkable restraint and courtesy in dealing with people who simply can't be bothered to avail themselves of the existing documentation or the archived previous discussions on such-and-such topic. > (6) Selective fixes. >=20 > I am guilty of this too, sometimes, but when you hope to build an > operating system, it is a poor idea. Programmers work on what they > want to work on. This leaves much of the unexciting stuff in a literal > non-working state, and the entire community oblivious to it or > uncaring. As Ron detailed, huge parts of FreeBSD are like buried land > mines just waiting to detonate. They are details that can invoke that > 30 minute to 96 hour time period instantly, usually right before you > need to get something done. Uh, what??? You're talking about basic human nature here, it looks like to me. Are FreeBSD's developers supposed to be a bunch of =DCbermenschen or something? I mean, come on! > (7) Disorganized website. >=20 > The part of the FreeBSD project that should set the tone for the > community, the FreeBSD website, reflects every one of these > criticisms. It is inconsistent and often disorganized; there is no > clear path; resources are duplicated and squirreled away instead of > organized and made into a process for others to follow. It is arcane, > nuanced and cryptic for the purpose of keeping the community elitist, > hobbyist and hostile to outsiders. >=20 > In addition, huge portions of it break on a regular basis and seem to > go unnoticed. The attitude of "that's for beginners, so we don't need > it" persists even there. With the graphic design of the website I have > no problem, but the arrangement of resources on it reflects a lack of > presence of mind, or paying attention to the user experience. The nature of the beast, if you ask me. This is one area where I do agree there's room for improvement. I would also like to see a more clearly navigable path to certain areas on the website. > All of this adds up to a quality operating system in theory that does > not translate into quality in reality. >=20 > You alienate users and place the burden upon them to sort through your > mess, then sneer at them. >=20 > You alienate business, professional and artistic users with your > insistence on hobbyism. These people have full lives; 48 hour sessions > of trying to configure audio drivers, network cards or drive arrays > are not in their interest. >=20 > Even when you get big parts of the operating system correct, it's the > thousand little details that have been forgotten, ignored or snootily > written off that add up to many hours of frustration for the end user. > This is not necessary frustration, and they get nothing out of it. It > seems to exist because of the emotional and social attitudes of the > FreeBSD team. >=20 >=20 > Sadly, Ron is right. FreeBSD is not right for us, or any others who > care about using an operating system as a means to an end. FreeBSD is > a hobby and you have to use it because you like using it for the > purpose of using it, and anything else will be incidental. >=20 > That is the condition of FreeBSD now. If these criticisms were taken > seriously, I believe the situation could change, and I hope it does. I won't respond to this part of your post, as it smacks of diatribe/polemic/flame bait rather than discussion. --=20 Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 18:07:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08DF4106567F for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:07:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C69678FC1C for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd10 with SMTP id 10so3256891gyd.13 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:07:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.182.169 with SMTP id o29mr4136419yhm.109.1313863648118; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.207.38 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:07:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:07:28 -0700 Message-ID: From: Michael Sierchio To: Evan Busch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:07:29 -0000 My comments inline. Summary: utter rubbish. On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Evan Busch wrote: > (1) Lack of direction. > > FreeBSD is still not sure whether it is a desktop OS, or a server OS. Not at all the case. FreeBSD is a server OS. Desktop features get considerably less support. Much effort goes into filesystem work, kernel optimization, networking and firewall components. > (2) Geek culture. > > Geek culture is the oldest clique on the internet. Their goal is to > make friends with no one who is not like them. I am the counterexample to this strawman argument. I feel entirely welcome by the geeks, but I treat them like people and probably get the same in return for that very reason. > (3) Horrible documentation. > > This is my specialty and has been since the early 1980s. The FreeBSD > documentation is wordy, disorganized, inconsistent and highly > selective in what it mentions. The documentation is incomplete. It is not valid to criticize folks for being selective when there are limited resources and many possible tasks to perform. But hey, it's a volunteer effort, so... if you think you can string whole sentences together without slaying the language to the root, please contribute. > (4) Elitism. > > To a developer, looking at some inconsistent or buggy interface and > thinking, "If they can't do this, they don't belong using FreeBSD > anyway" is too easy of a thought. I don't see any validity to this at all. You attribute motive (and dialogue) that doesn't exist. Many command line utilities have inconsistent interfaces - there are reasons for this, usually historical and for backward compatibility. Deal with it. GNU/Linux isn't any better here. POSIX-compliance won't save you. > (5) Hostile community. > (6) Selective fixes. See above. It is not valid to criticize someone for being selective - you might have a different order to your priority list - which, by the way, feel free to share. > (7) Disorganized website. I seem to find everything I need there, what are you looking for? > Sadly, Ron is right. FreeBSD is not right for us, or any others who > care about using an operating system as a means to an end. You overreached there. I use it as a means to an end every day. I built high performance systems, high performance firewalls, high-availability, always-on services. FreeBSD is my first and best choice for these. Also for embedded systems. You can say it's not for you, but you sound like a spoiled little turd when you assert that "right-thinking people everywhere will come to the same conclusion as I did, having spent several minutes pondering the matter while popping pimples." Regards (very slight), Michael Sierchio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 18:09:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230DB1065676 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:09:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E38708FC15 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:09:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so2619351gwb.13 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:09:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.176.165 with SMTP id b25mr4088933yhm.75.1313863793072; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.207.38 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:09:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <86wre8inmi.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:09:53 -0700 Message-ID: From: Michael Sierchio To: Dave Pooser Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:09:54 -0000 On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Dave Pooser wrote: > 3) Updates are a mess. It's cool that I *can* compile a new kernel, but > that I *have* to is ridiculous. Updating a server should not be more > difficult than "yum update" -- full stop. Are you lazy, or stupid? man freebsd-update From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 18:10:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4473106566B for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:10:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo202.cox.net (eastrmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793138FC15 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:10:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20110820180957.SUDA32466.eastrmfepo202.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:09:57 -0400 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.83.25]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id Ni9v1h00J0YnB6A02i9wey; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:09:57 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020A.4E4FF875.0037,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=L18tZtgXvCjggtrPsn7EqxywmDwdeqj6Yva+6kM3mdg= c=1 sm=1 a=9oMvUhOCfhYA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=2vO5UZG1h46htWAnE/rx2g==:17 a=rJMi1K7IAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=f2fso8YPzgnR0qvGOVwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=0qA3qW1cF2AA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=2vO5UZG1h46htWAnE/rx2g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7KI9se4060544 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:09:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:09:49 -0500 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110820130949.24174fbc@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20110819204833.3560b59c@davenulle.org> References: <20110818174341.65a0859b@cox.net> <20110819193027.7ed38af0@davenulle.org> <20110819204833.3560b59c@davenulle.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Enabling gjournal without destroying a filesystem? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:10:00 -0000 On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:48:33 +0200 Patrick Lamaiziere wrote: > > Anyway there was no other way to avoid a long fsck (until SU+Journal > in 9.0). Speaking of SU+J: I do happen to be running 9.0-BETA1, and am seeing output from fsck where it at first appears it's going to take advantage of journaling and then dismisses it due to an out-of-date journal (which is why I started investigating gjournal in the first place). Am I doing something wrong here? Can anyone recommend a fix? -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 18:38:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CAF31065691 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:38:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82748FC18 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:38:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.yuri.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7KIcRZs079853 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:38:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <4E4FFF23.406@rawbw.com> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:38:27 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110716 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: How much memory does ZFS use? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:38:28 -0000 Someone told me that ZFS is a memory hog and it should be avoided as such. Is this true? How can I understand how much memory particular kernel module consumes? In Solaris there is mdb for that, what is an equivalent in FreeBSD? Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 18:45:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6A810656F9 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:45:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from emlpirnp0.waddell.com (emlpirnp0.waddell.com [67.130.252.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1F58FC12 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:45:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emlpfilt4.waddell.com ([10.1.10.26]) by emlpirnp1.waddell.com with ESMTP; 20 Aug 2011 13:45:43 -0500 Received: from emlpfilt4.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 47EAE578795; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:45:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com (wadphtcas0.waddell.com [192.168.203.229]) by emlpfilt4.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42234578794; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:45:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.133]) by WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com ([192.168.203.229]) with mapi; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:45:43 -0500 From: Gary Gatten To: "'yuri@rawbw.com'" , "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:45:42 -0500 Thread-Topic: How much memory does ZFS use? Thread-Index: AcxfaJT3DZ7Yd2y5R36cCfU+dTQyUAAAMhcN Message-ID: <14599_1313865943_4E5000D7_14599_64_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C5218872@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <4E4FFF23.406@rawbw.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: Re: How much memory does ZFS use? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:45:44 -0000 Zfs isn't a typical daemon/process. That's like saying databased is a memor= y hog cause it needs a lot of ram for caching. Zfs ram requirements will depend on your file system i/o load, types/sizes = of files, types and rates of file system ops, etc. 512MB may be fine, or y= ou may need 4GB for optimum performance. ----- Original Message ----- From: Yuri [mailto:yuri@rawbw.com] Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 01:38 PM To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: How much memory does ZFS use? Someone told me that ZFS is a memory hog and it should be avoided as such. Is this true? How can I understand how much memory particular kernel module consumes? In Solaris there is mdb for that, what is an equivalent in FreeBSD? Yuri _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 18:58:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0C5106564A for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:58:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BF19B8FC13 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:58:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 28482 invoked by uid 0); 20 Aug 2011 18:58:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2011 18:58:08 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=2AgN6ES2OYk8HaEg8IBjhvT1Xf2nsmsED6BnGAU7X+Y=; b=mOUJu7Akito6VYBeW8o+LwVsaL3AsiCTm9wC0t+n/Vh+mu7WZPnoPgYkol48zn4131rhLz7r/XFlLYz0ElJS8KdvEWLf7x1XkQFen7nsFn0Q5nPnnWBxFVexqaKeokcu; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1QuqkB-0001S0-3W for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:58:08 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:40:06 -0600 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:40:06 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110820184006.GB21139@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="U+BazGySraz5kW0T" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:58:09 -0000 --U+BazGySraz5kW0T Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:47:04PM -0500, Evan Busch wrote: >=20 > I make decisions about hardware and software for those who work with me. >=20 > Talking with my second in command this morning, we reached a quandary. > Ron is completely pro-Linux and pro-Windows, and against FreeBSD. >=20 > What is odd about this is that he's the biggest UNIX fanatic I know, > not only all types of UNIX (dating back quite some time) but also all > Unix-like OSen. >=20 > I told him I was considering FreeBSD because of greater stability and sec= urity. >=20 > He asked me a question that stopped me dead: >=20 > "What is a quality operating system?" >=20 > In his view, and now mine, a quality operating system is reliable, > streamlined and clearly organized. This is why I like FreeBSD, relative to MS Windows, Apple MacOS, or any Linux distribution I've encountered. >=20 > Over the past few years, FreeBSD has drifted off-course in this > department, in his view. To the extent that is true (and I'm sure one could easily build a list of minor points where this is the case), it is still far less so than with Linux-based systems -- and MS Windows has *never* been "reliable, streamlined, and clearly organized" by any reasonable standard at all. One must wonder about your associate's confirmation biases. >=20 > Let me share the points he made that I consider valid (I have deleted > two as trivial, and added one of my own): >=20 > (1) Lack of direction. >=20 > FreeBSD is still not sure whether it is a desktop OS, or a server OS. > It is easy for the developers to say "well, it's whatever you want," > but this makes the configuration process more involved. This works > against people who have to use these operating systems to get anything > done. =46rom where I'm sitting, FreeBSD looks like a server OS that works great as a desktop OS -- for precisely the reasons that it makes a great server OS. What it does *not* do as well is serve as a toy or appliance for people who just want to spend all their time in Microsoft Office, Visual Studio, or Adobe Creative Suite. >=20 > In his view, a crucial metric here is the ability to estimate time > required for any task. It may be a wide window, but it should not be > as wide as "anywhere from 30 minutes to 96 hours." In his experience, > FreeBSD varies widely on this front because in the name of keeping > options open, standardization of interface and process has been > deprecated. This "argument" doesn't make much sense to me. What kind of task is so wildly variable in its estimable completion time on FreeBSD without being so variable on, say, MS Windows or one of the bazillions of Linux distributions? >=20 > (2) Geek culture. >=20 > Geek culture is the oldest clique on the internet. Their goal is to > make friends with no one who is not like them. As a result, they > specialize in the arcane, disorganized and ambiguous. This forces > people to go through the same hoops they went through. This makes them > happy, and drives away people who need to use operating systems to > achieve real-world results. They reduce a community to hobbyists only. I do not see a reasoned argument here. What I see is a lot of hand-waving and finger pointing with nary a supporting argument to back it up. I'll stop short of calling it trolling, for the moment. >=20 > (3) Horrible documentation. >=20 > This is my specialty and has been since the early 1980s. The FreeBSD > documentation is wordy, disorganized, inconsistent and highly > selective in what it mentions. It is not the product of professionals > but it also not the product of volunteers with a focus on > communication. It seems pro-forma, as in, "it's in the documentation, > so don't bother me." The web site compounds this error by pointing us > in multiple directions instead of to a singular resource. It is bad > enough that man pages are separate from your main documentation tree, > but now you have doubled or trebled the workload required of you > without any benefit to the end user. If you want horrible documentation, stick with MS Windows and Linux-based systems. Seriously, the FreeBSD Handbook is better documentation even for Linux-based systems than the vast majority of Linux books. Manpage coverage in FreeBSD is better than in the vast majority of Linux distributions by an order of magnitude. Source code documentation is better in FreeBSD than in the majority of Linux-specific and GNU code that I've seen (and it's even better for OpenBSD and NetBSD, from what I've seen). I don't know where you're getting these ideas. In short, the best user documentation I've seen for Unix-like OSes is FreeBSD documentation; the best developer documentation I've seen for Unix-like OSes is OpenBSD documentation, though FreeBSD also does well, and Linux . . . well, it does less well, but at least it's leagues ahead of MS Windows. I hear good things about *some* areas of developer documentation for MacOS these days, though. >=20 > (4) Elitism. >=20 > To a developer, looking at some inconsistent or buggy interface and > thinking, "If they can't do this, they don't belong using FreeBSD > anyway" is too easy of a thought. Yet it looks to me like this happens > quite a bit, and "this is for the elite" has become the default > orientation. This is problematic in that there are people out there > who are every bit as smart as you, or smarter, but are not specialized > in computers. They want to use computers to achieve results; you may > want to play around with your computer as an activity, but that is not > so for everyone. I see elitism everywhere. FreeBSD certainly has no monopoly on that. >=20 > (5) Hostile community. >=20 > For the last several weeks, I have been observing the FreeBSD > community. Two things stand out: many legitimate questions go ignored, > and for others, response is hostile resulting in either incorrect > answers, haughty snubs, and in many cases, a refusal to admit when the > problem is FreeBSD and not the user. In particular, the community is > oblivious to interfaces and chunks of code that have illogical or > inconsistent interfaces, are buggy, or whose function does not > correspond to what is documented (even in the manpages). I guess there's nothing to be said here. You have arrived at your conclusion. In my experience, there's one or two people known to be trollishly hostile to querents on mailing lists and in IRC channels, and the rest of the people are generally helpful. Meanwhile, helpfulness or hostility of people in the Linux world is wildly variable from one venue to another, but the more technically knowledgeable the venue, the more hostile people tend to be -- which means that in venues where the people answering the question often know less about the subject than the person asking, you get a lot of very friendly people. The Ubuntu forum comes to mind. >=20 > (6) Selective fixes. >=20 > I am guilty of this too, sometimes, but when you hope to build an > operating system, it is a poor idea. Programmers work on what they > want to work on. This leaves much of the unexciting stuff in a literal > non-working state, and the entire community oblivious to it or > uncaring. As Ron detailed, huge parts of FreeBSD are like buried land > mines just waiting to detonate. They are details that can invoke that > 30 minute to 96 hour time period instantly, usually right before you > need to get something done. Some of this goes on everywhere. Microsoft's developers have ignored whole classes of vulnerabilities in MS Windows at least since the middle of the 1990s, as far as I've seen; probably longer, but I wasn't paying as much attention back then. Linux-related, GNU, and various BSD Unix system development efforts all run afoul of this problem from time to time. Apple developers actually *intentionally* forsake some areas that desperately need attention as a matter of policy, because they do not want to make certain things easier for users. >=20 > (7) Disorganized website. >=20 > The part of the FreeBSD project that should set the tone for the > community, the FreeBSD website, reflects every one of these > criticisms. It is inconsistent and often disorganized; there is no > clear path; resources are duplicated and squirreled away instead of > organized and made into a process for others to follow. It is arcane, > nuanced and cryptic for the purpose of keeping the community elitist, > hobbyist and hostile to outsiders. Read the Handbook for processes to follow. It's pretty well organized. >=20 > In addition, huge portions of it break on a regular basis and seem to > go unnoticed. The attitude of "that's for beginners, so we don't need > it" persists even there. With the graphic design of the website I have > no problem, but the arrangement of resources on it reflects a lack of > presence of mind, or paying attention to the user experience. I think you're imposing an idea of motivations that is not necessary or even appropriate. Yes, some things fall by the wayside; yes, some things could be better organized on the site. I don't dispute that. I doubt it's a malicious "screw the beginner" policy, though, as you seem to think. >=20 > All of this adds up to a quality operating system in theory that does > not translate into quality in reality. Funny -- my experience is that Linux distributions tend to be pretty damned crappy lately, especially in comparison to FreeBSD. There are problem areas, but at least the problem areas in FreeBSD are not problems with nondeterministic behavior. I've been dealing with a Linux-based system quite regularly lately that is driving me up the damned wall because performing the same act yields different results at different times. Trying to "fix" a problem involves waving chicken bones over the computer and praying to whatever you hold holy as much as delving into the sort of configuration stuff that *should* actually fix something. Once "fixed", stuff is likely to break again. Screw that. I prefer my experience with FreeBSD, where I might not at first know how to fix something, but once I figure it out it makes sense and it damned well stays fixed. The same fix will work again in similar circumstances, too. In dealing with this Linux-based system, the thought that keeps crossing my mind is "If I wanted to deal with perversely non-deterministic crap like this, I'd just use MS Windows." >=20 > You alienate users and place the burden upon them to sort through your > mess, then sneer at them. I don't believe I have sneered at *anyone* lately. What are you talking about? Are you just trying to pick a fight? >=20 > You alienate business, professional and artistic users with your > insistence on hobbyism. These people have full lives; 48 hour sessions > of trying to configure audio drivers, network cards or drive arrays > are not in their interest. How the hell does it take you 48 hours to configure an audio driver? It's about a five-minute process in the vast majority of cases, if you're slow or unlucky. >=20 > Sadly, Ron is right. FreeBSD is not right for us, or any others who > care about using an operating system as a means to an end. FreeBSD is > a hobby and you have to use it because you like using it for the > purpose of using it, and anything else will be incidental. I don't like to take this attitude, generally, but you have essentially begged for it: If your idea of asking for help is to bitch at length about imagined slights, and to miss the forest for the trees, then good riddance. >=20 > That is the condition of FreeBSD now. If these criticisms were taken > seriously, I believe the situation could change, and I hope it does. If you gave serious critiques, rather than just looking for an excuse to insult people, I'm sure many people would be more inclined to take them seriously. Destructive criticism, at least half of which looks either dead wrong or pretty petty in the face of larger problems with MS Windows and Linux-based systems to which you want to unfavorably compare FreeBSD, is not helpful to anyone. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --U+BazGySraz5kW0T Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk5P/4YACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXs/QCgvVbN8hxT+EXUi/e9sTQKfrVC mOEAoNAjYF/tWFSynU02m0vtVveQe2sM =eqcI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --U+BazGySraz5kW0T-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 19:01:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5209F106566C for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:01:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mikel.king@olivent.com) Received: from mail.olivent.com (mail.olivent.com [75.99.82.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1148FC0C for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:01:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.olivent.com (Kerio Connect 7.0.0 patch 1) (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES128-SHA (128 bits)); Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:31:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: mikel king In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:31:29 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Evan Busch X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A quality operating system Trolling For A Quality Operating System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:01:34 -0000 On Aug 20, 2011, at 12:47 AM, Evan Busch wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I make decisions about hardware and software for those who work with = me. >=20 > Talking with my second in command this morning, we reached a quandary. > Ron is completely pro-Linux and pro-Windows, and against FreeBSD. >=20 > What is odd about this is that he's the biggest UNIX fanatic I know, > not only all types of UNIX (dating back quite some time) but also all > Unix-like OSen. >=20 > I told him I was considering FreeBSD because of greater stability and = security. >=20 > He asked me a question that stopped me dead: >=20 > "What is a quality operating system?" >=20 >=20 > In his view, and now mine, a quality operating system is reliable, > streamlined and clearly organized. >=20 > Over the past few years, FreeBSD has drifted off-course in this > department, in his view. >=20 > Let me share the points he made that I consider valid (I have deleted > two as trivial, and added one of my own): >=20 >=20 {SNIP} > Fondly, > Evan I do not think it is worth wasting important list bandwidth on your = flame fodder. Therefore I dropped this off in a post to give it the = careful consideration is truly deserves -=20 Trolling For A Quality Operating System http://bit.ly/qUTAeh=20 Regards, Mikel King BSD News Network http://bsdnews.net skype: mikel.king http://twitter.com/mikelking From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 19:08:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8D4106564A for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:08:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABCD78FC08 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:08:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-15-138.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.15.138]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E142C1E234; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 21:08:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7KJ8eWk001995; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 21:08:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 21:08:40 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Evan Busch Message-Id: <20110820210840.0f6a62fc.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:08:43 -0000 Allos me to share some individual thoughts. Note that those are _my own_ and maybe do _not_ apply to anyone else. Still they may be helpful for inspiration, and just if it's only a different point of view. On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 23:47:04 -0500, Evan Busch wrote: > He asked me a question that stopped me dead: > > "What is a quality operating system?" > > > In his view, and now mine, a quality operating system is reliable, > streamlined and clearly organized. There's more: To me as a sysadmin and developer, documentation is also a quality indicator. FreeBSD has excellent manpages, and many of the 3rd party software available follows this approach (e. g. "man mplayer", even "man opera"); however, GUI-centric applications and those seeming to come from "rapid application development" environments lack a good documentation (e. g. "man firefox" and all the KDE programs). Documentation doesn't just cover binaries in FreeBSD. You'll find that also kernel interfaces, library calls, configuration files and maintenance procedures are documented, and you can access all this information in a limited system state, such as offline-only operations. Furthermore, there is the FreeBSD Hanbook and the FAQ. Finally, there's the friendly community traditionally being helpful and polite on the mailing lists. There are also web forums. This is what I would collect as "documentation". Additionally, the source code of the system is very tidy and easy to deal with. > (1) Lack of direction. > > FreeBSD is still not sure whether it is a desktop OS, or a server OS. It is a multi-purpose OS. You can even run it on microcontrollers. What would that be? Sub-desktop? It's even non-PC, if you stick to the established terminology. As _because_ FreeBSD is a multi-purpose OS, it performs well both on servers and on desktops. I have many servers running it (and other UNIXes too, like OpenBSD and Solaris), and I'm also using it exclusively (!) on my home desktop since version 4.0, _not_ lacking any functionality that's essential to me. Of course, other users have quite different opinions and personal experiences. > It is easy for the developers to say "well, it's whatever you want," > but this makes the configuration process more involved. A logical conclusion of "multi-functional". > This works > against people who have to use these operating systems to get anything > done. Depends on the people. If I compare FreeBSD to other OS and OS-like software, there's _more_ time I have to invest getting _them_ to do what I need than I do with FreeBSD. Again, this highly depends on individual knowledge, experience, skills, and of course the task that should get done. > (2) Geek culture. > > Geek culture is the oldest clique on the internet. Their goal is to > make friends with no one who is not like them. Oh, that's a highly debatable consideration. From my point of view, friends being "in the BSD camp" are absolutely not _like_ me. In fact, it's a very heterogenous collection of _very_ different people. > As a result, they > specialize in the arcane, disorganized and ambiguous. This forces > people to go through the same hoops they went through. Nobody does learn without doing mistakes. Of course, you cannot make all imaginable mistakes on your own, so it's worth learning from others, but still, "going through hoops" makes you develop skills that can be universally applied. An example is that if you can master FreeBSD, you can master any other BSD, and even any other UNIX, as well as most Linusi. Those _basic_ skills are the fact why UNIX people are not afraid of learning new things, and because they _do_ so, they are so expensive when hired. "You do not pay me for the 5 minutes I need to fix your problem that costs you 100,000$ each hour it persists - you pay me because I _can_ do so." :-) > This makes them > happy, and drives away people who need to use operating systems to > achieve real-world results. People do not use operating systems. They don't even use programs. In their (mostly limited) understanding, they use some kind of "magical appliance" that solves a problem. Still some of them understand the computer as a tool to achieve a goal, and from their real-world knowledge, they are able to conclude that you need to know how to use a tool in order to get a job done. However, many people fail to conclude that. > They reduce a community to hobbyists only. Well, I won't say that. There are whole businesses that run by the power of FreeBSD and through the power of the "geek culture". Keep in mind that ordinary people _never_ moved something, in _no_ regards. It has always been the exceptions who got things invented. > (3) Horrible documentation. > > This is my specialty and has been since the early 1980s. The FreeBSD > documentation is wordy, disorganized, inconsistent and highly > selective in what it mentions. Interesting, compared to my introduction statement about the documentation. What you write here would - in my experience - apply to Linux and "Windows", where documentation is limited, scattered around arbitrary web locations, limited, sometimes outdated, sometimes non-existent. > It is not the product of professionals > but it also not the product of volunteers with a focus on > communication. I agree that this may apply to some of the translations. :-) > It seems pro-forma, as in, "it's in the documentation, > so don't bother me." The web site compounds this error by pointing us > in multiple directions instead of to a singular resource. It is bad > enough that man pages are separate from your main documentation tree, > but now you have doubled or trebled the workload required of you > without any benefit to the end user. Well, in _this_ area, I would also agree that work should be done to concentrate documentation, e. g. make an "essence" from knowledge and examples in mailing lists, web forums and so on. But there are too many of them, and you simply cannot put all the possible things into "the one documentation" project. However, those who are willing to solve problems and to deal with documentation are traditionally smart enough to use the available resources, use google (or the search engine of their choice), the mailing list archives, and in "worst" case consult the mailing list actively. In some cases, this makes people also actively participate in the mailing lists, helping others by providing their own experiences and knowledge. This basically is what such a list lives from. > (4) Elitism. > > To a developer, looking at some inconsistent or buggy interface and > thinking, "If they can't do this, they don't belong using FreeBSD > anyway" is too easy of a thought. Yet it looks to me like this happens > quite a bit, and "this is for the elite" has become the default > orientation. Interesting. Could you name an example? > This is problematic in that there are people out there > who are every bit as smart as you, or smarter, but are not specialized > in computers. They want to use computers to achieve results; you may > want to play around with your computer as an activity, but that is not > so for everyone. Fully true. In order to understand this, you have to agree that computers aren't easy. They are like cars: You know how to actually drive, and you need to know the rules. Then you may do training and develop experiences in driving. This makes you a good driver. Just buying a big car doesn't. > (5) Hostile community. Wow... I would have never expected THIS. > For the last several weeks, I have been observing the FreeBSD > community. Two things stand out: many legitimate questions go ignored, > and for others, response is hostile resulting in either incorrect > answers, haughty snubs, and in many cases, a refusal to admit when the > problem is FreeBSD and not the user. You should maybe check several months, maybe years. For example, I'm on that list since... 2008 I think? And this list is _very_ polite, and its participants also deal very well with those who do not behave like educated persons (insults, inability to read, not willing to form a question one could answer, and so on). > In particular, the community is > oblivious to interfaces and chunks of code that have illogical or > inconsistent interfaces, are buggy, or whose function does not > correspond to what is documented (even in the manpages). This _can_ happen during changes in the API, when documentation doesn't catch up fast enough. Just compare this to the ongoing observation in Linux where APIs change very quickly in many fields. Many of them aren't even documented at OS level. Maybe I can explain this by saying that Linux doesn't differentiate between "the OS" and "3rd party software" per se, and there is no "the standard OS install" (which also takes into mind that Linux is not _one_ OS, but many distributions). Replies like "RTFM & GTFO" are _not_ common to the FreeBSD community. > (6) Selective fixes. > > I am guilty of this too, sometimes, but when you hope to build an > operating system, it is a poor idea. Programmers work on what they > want to work on. This is their right as they do not get paid by a company that can determine _what_ they will have to do. > This leaves much of the unexciting stuff in a literal > non-working state, and the entire community oblivious to it or > uncaring. I would be careful with allquantified statements. According to simple logic, one counter-example is sufficient to prove the falseness of the statement. :-) > As Ron detailed, huge parts of FreeBSD are like buried land > mines just waiting to detonate. I'd be interested in knowing _what_ actually those are. > (7) Disorganized website. > > The part of the FreeBSD project that should set the tone for the > community, the FreeBSD website, reflects every one of these > criticisms. It is inconsistent and often disorganized; there is no > clear path; resources are duplicated and squirreled away instead of > organized and made into a process for others to follow. It is arcane, > nuanced and cryptic for the purpose of keeping the community elitist, > hobbyist and hostile to outsiders. Definitely not _my_ interpretation of the website. > You alienate users and place the burden upon them to sort through your > mess, then sneer at them. Er... what? > You alienate business, professional and artistic users with your > insistence on hobbyism. Tell it to those who run a business with FreeBSD. :-) > Even when you get big parts of the operating system correct, it's the > thousand little details that have been forgotten, ignored or snootily > written off that add up to many hours of frustration for the end user. After all, it's about time, and this often is reflected in the world of money. An OS project like FreeBSD that is not primarily about making money or gaining market share does have other fields where work is invested. Aggressive marketing, for example, is not one of them. > Sadly, Ron is right. FreeBSD is not right for us, or any others who > care about using an operating system as a means to an end. Again, allquantified statements aren't that good in such a consideration. > FreeBSD is > a hobby and you have to use it because you like using it for the > purpose of using it, and anything else will be incidental. I for one am using FreeBSD to get my work done, and unlike many other operating systems, it successfully works as such a tool. > That is the condition of FreeBSD now. If these criticisms were taken > seriously, I believe the situation could change, and I hope it does. It would be nice if you could be more specific, pointing out actual problems (instead of just naming a wide direction where they may - or may not - be found. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 19:16:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE9D106564A for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:16:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hunci@hunci.sk) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE088FC0C for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:16:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so4100205vws.13 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:16:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.149.19 with SMTP id r19mr209880vcv.80.1313866450504; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.39.129 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:54:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [85.237.224.61] Received: by 10.220.39.129 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:54:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <86wre8inmi.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:54:10 +0200 Message-ID: From: =?UTF-8?B?UGV0ZXIgSHVuxI3DoXI=?= To: Michael Sierchio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Dave Pooser , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:16:13 -0000 +10 I really like ppl thinking, that someone will create/develop/maitain an OS just for them. There are hundreds of chocices: OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, + forks, Windoze, hundreds (and growing) of different linux distros, Solaris, Minix, vxworks, even MSDOS :) Feel free to choose. If there will be one suitable OS for every existing task, there will be no need for tge rest. Come on. Do you really thing that a group of ppl coding in free time to create an OS to primary fullfill their needs and really liking what they are doing, because it's their hobby, would stop because one starts to rant? It's like I would criticize... lemme think ... Justin Bieber writing him: "Hey lady, ... ehm, beg me pardon, man... d'oh ...child. I don't like your music, please find another style and your CD booklets sucksalot, do something or I will stop listening to you and start buy Ke$ha's CDs" Who cares? There are milions that listen to Justin regardless of my opinion, because they like her. :) It's the same with FreeBSD. Not everyone likes the style, but really many do. (and it's really usefull and great indeed, comparing it to JB was a joke) Nobody forces you to use FBSD. I found NO constructive critics in your e-mail. I personally use OpenBSD, FreeBSD and Linux, depending on my needs and I'm really happy for the HUGE VALUE I'm getting FOR FREE. I would not pay a cent for Windoze, having bugs either, crappy licences, viruses, horrible documentation. Where's the real difference except the price? So either post some relevant request/bugs/ideas or use something fullfilling your needs. Fun to read the thread anyway :) Sincerely Peter On 20 Aug 2011 20:13, "Michael Sierchio" wrote: > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Dave Pooser > wrote: > >> 3) Updates are a mess. It's cool that I *can* compile a new kernel, but >> that I *have* to is ridiculous. Updating a server should not be more >> difficult than "yum update" -- full stop. > > Are you lazy, or stupid? man freebsd-update > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 19:16:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC6D106566B for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:16:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5ED8FC13 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:16:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.yuri.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7KJGrPu092892; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:16:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <4E500824.5050107@rawbw.com> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:16:52 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110716 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Gatten References: <14599_1313865943_4E5000D7_14599_64_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C5218872@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <14599_1313865943_4E5000D7_14599_64_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C5218872@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: How much memory does ZFS use? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:16:55 -0000 On 08/20/2011 11:45, Gary Gatten wrote: > Zfs isn't a typical daemon/process. That's like saying databased is a memory hog cause it needs a lot of ram for caching. I know it's a kernel module. > > Zfs ram requirements will depend on your file system i/o load, types/sizes of files, types and rates of file system ops, etc. 512MB may be fine, or you may need 4GB for optimum performance. I meant mostly, for the same type of FS access, how does ZFS memory consumption compare with situation if I used UFS? Also how can I see what memory consumption is for each kernel module? Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 19:18:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE721065672 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:18:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 03F088FC22 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:18:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 2853 invoked by uid 0); 20 Aug 2011 19:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2011 19:18:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=/OqyfDnaOs4QbSMhnY3jHL2ylLqbge2NZlM4/Yd9xl8=; b=QbR+o7eZpUYkeOIBGayVmdsWhH1Pd86KEunz5g2VxtHs7aCXBVqmKzwPOa/xd3NadRD5ZDHA8U9ow1OF2Z/k0AkGWKwFdf5Vnm0RCjutGhPkmSVXYMCzLV5NrycFLBV6; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Qur3Y-0004Ns-KA for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:18:09 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:00:08 -0600 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:00:08 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110820190008.GA21367@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <86wre8inmi.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:18:10 -0000 --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:12:00PM -0500, Dave Pooser wrote: >=20 > 1) I really don't see the Handbook as all that great. It's great that a > volunteer team put it together, but when I compare it to > or > , I don't think > the FreeBSD handbook compares well. I disagree. >=20 > 2) Lack of geek-on-the-street support. If I'm looking for an experienced > Linux administrator, I'll get thousands of applications; for a Solaris > administrator, I'll get hundreds. For a BSD admin? Maybe half a dozen? Try hiring a Linux guy with at least a little FreeBSD familiarity instead, and get him to self-educate. Too often, people try to hire people with thirty years of experience in ten year old technologies, and what they end up with is a bunch of barely competent liars on their staffs. Get someone with technical talent who is at least marginally familiar and expect the person to *learn*. Anyone you hire is going to need to learn about your particular business needs anyway, so that the majority of past experience will not be directly applicable. Trying to pretend otherwise just results in getting mediocre choices where you could have had someone that would be truly excellent when given half a chance. People who want to learn, and are good at learning, are far more valuable than people think. Having a resume with all the "right" bullet points is almost worthless by comparison, when what you really want is an effective employee. >=20 > 3) Updates are a mess. It's cool that I *can* compile a new kernel, but > that I *have* to is ridiculous. Updating a server should not be more > difficult than "yum update" -- full stop. Define "have to". >=20 > 4) Poor support from running FreeBSD under virtualization. When I start to > think about deploying a new server, I'll generally spin up a new VM on my > workstation or on an ESXi host. If I have trouble with that VM, my first > response is not going to be to try again with the same OS, it's going to > be to fall back to a configuration I know works. There is, unfortunately, not as much support for running FreeBSD in virtualization environments (ignoring jails for the moment) as for other OSes. That's not really a problem with FreeBSD, though. I can see it being a reason to choose a different OS for cases where you need a particular set of veritualization requirements met, but I do not see it being a reason to tell everyone that FreeBSD sucks. >=20 > There are some things I liked a lot about FreeBSD -- its support for > DTrace and ZFS was the reason I looked into it in the first place. But > from where I sit, technologies like that are just duct-taped on to the > base system rather than integrated. (For example, why isn't there > something like the [Open]Solaris beadm, where the system creates a ZFS > snapshot automatically before any major updates to let you revert to not > just an earlier kernel but an earlier world?) Maybe that has something to do with the fact that ZFS was designed for OpenSolaris, while FreeBSD developers are working hard at integrating it for users without (much?) help from the ZFS developers at Oracle (who would really rather that nobody used FreeBSD anyway, for the most part). Of course, FreeBSD is leagues ahead of both MS Windows and any Linux distribution in the ZFS support department. I don't know much about DTrace, but I suspect there are similar factors involved there. >=20 > Cat-Herder-in-Chief, Pooserville.com Funny -- that's a Mac site. It seems like you shouldn't be considering MS Windows, Linux-based systems, Solaris, or FreeBSD anyway. You should take the "eat your own dogfood" approach, and use Mac servers and desktops. I guess you really *are* just trolling. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk5QBDgACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXMMACfWcHU4bAs7LQL+fQbAYR/EAPh +EoAn0UkB1Gp+i4ioBvL4a0NReBaWd9J =SPIi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 19:23:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03266106564A for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:23:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903D38FC0C for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:23:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxe4 with SMTP id 4so3435427fxe.13 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:23:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=9Sz8DoBSQvUm/odSJd+uM04Vywi5k/5R4f8vFXqITmk=; b=uiDmS6Dw07Xo8rg6Rkx5wxHGMrnee9FimGhZPJEt4OZ/6CmrlrAIKGNu8qiU7kFXpp 5UFGE+fUYK3hl7MmT7v9XVgXxpUJvu2gwhHsvqiIpFYUBQ51zNZxWSnDBqYZNMfzUrio I9rlfdrG1mAvPRIq1KPMd3NJ1Hli0y1GUdbEA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.6.91 with SMTP id 27mr1076562fay.145.1313868201381; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.120.72 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:23:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E4FFF23.406@rawbw.com> References: <4E4FFF23.406@rawbw.com> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:23:21 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Yuri Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: How much memory does ZFS use? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:23:23 -0000 On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Yuri wrote: > Someone told me that ZFS is a memory hog and it should be avoided as such. > Is this true? > A rather ridiculous statement you were told and full of ignorance in my opinion. The 1908 Ford Model T got 25 MPG and my 2006 Mazda Speed6 gets about 21 on the highway. Which one would you rather drive around and entrust with your family's safety? Look at it this way, computer performance has increased very rapidly(particularly in terms of CPU) over the last 30 years with one key exception: disk performance. ZFS, among it's other benefits, does what it can to mask this deficiency by offloading what it to more CPU and memory intensive operations. Offloading(where possible) slow disk to faster CPU and memory resources which many server and desktops already have in abundant excess is an excellent tradeoff IMO. What difference does it make if it's a kernel module or not in terms of memory usage? Either way, set the appropriate tunable to control memory usage and you're done. vfs.zfs.arc_max="2048M" -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 20:04:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1468106564A for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:04:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 884398FC14 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:04:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E96CDCC for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:04:42 -0400 From: Daniel Staal To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <11DEFD288187C288C87EE90F@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:04:44 -0000 --As of August 20, 2011 12:12:00 PM -0500, Dave Pooser is alleged to have said: > 3) Updates are a mess. It's cool that I *can* compile a new kernel, but > that I *have* to is ridiculous. Updating a server should not be more > difficult than "yum update" -- full stop. --As for the rest, it is mine. Oh, how I *wish* it was that easy on a Linux box... Have you ever actually tried to update RedHat from one version to another? It can't be done. No support. Oh, I suppose you could install everything manually, but if you miss something and break it, that's your problem. The only recommended way is 'wipe, reinstall, copy everything in from backup.' Having to do that at work made me miss freebsd-update... (And if you are complaining about user-land programs: Try portmanager. Or one of the other fine tools in the ports system.) (Oh, and as for comparing the Handbook with RedHat's knowledge base... I'll admit there are flaws in the Handbook. But the knowledge base shows the distinct impressions of being run through marketing. There's quite a lot of 'And then you can use this shiny feature!' without any 'To configure, read the following:'.) Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 20:22:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7583106566C for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:22:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845B28FC08 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:22:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwc9 with SMTP id 9so3289544qwc.13 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.191.202 with SMTP id dn10mr520641qab.42.1313871768587; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fq5sm6984356qab.15.2011.08.20.13.22.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3RhCJk13K2z2CG4d for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:22:45 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110820162245.166e8a05@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <86wre8inmi.fsf@gmail.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:22:49 -0000 On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:09:53 -0700 Michael Sierchio articulated: > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Dave Pooser > wrote: > > > 3) Updates are a mess. It's cool that I *can* compile a new kernel, > > but that I *have* to is ridiculous. Updating a server should not be > > more difficult than "yum update" -- full stop. > > Are you lazy, or stupid? man freebsd-update I have never wasted my time with it personally; however, I thought I read somewhere that it did not work if the user had built a custom kernel. From what I have seen written regarding it, you have to move the custom kernel out of the way and replace it with the generic kernel, run the freebsd-update program and then re-install the custom kernel and then rebuild that. Assuming that is correct, I can safely say that only a masochist would find that solution given the numerous possibilities for catastrophic failure any serious consideration. Obviously the KISS principal was considered important in this scenario. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 20:25:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8331B106566C for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:25:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh1.interactivevillages.com (ca.2e.7bae.static.theplanet.com [174.123.46.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B19F8FC13 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:25:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 184-78-197-203.war.clearwire-wmx.net ([184.78.197.203] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh1.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qus73-00028G-2K for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:25:26 -0700 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:25:48 -0700 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:25:48 -0700 From: Chip Camden To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20110820202548.GA10049@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh1.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: trouble with ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:25:53 -0000 --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable $ uname -a FreeBSD libertas.local.camdensoftware.com 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #12= 3: Wed Aug 17 19:23:26 PDT 2011 root@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com:= /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/LIBERTAS amd64 Last Monday when I had the problem with panics that Attilio's patch seems to have solved, my system died in the middle of a large portmaster operation. This corrupted a number of entries in the package db, resulting in messages like the following: $ pkg_version -vl\< pkg_version: the package info for package 'firefox-5.0,1' is corrupt pkg_version: the package info for package 'rxvt-unicode-9.11' is corrupt This prevents 'portmaster -a' from working at all, and 'portupgrade -a' will not detect changes to those ports whose info is corrupt. Neither does portversion report on those ports (it acts like they aren't installed). I've found that the problem can be corrected by going into the port directory and doing a 'make install FORCE_PKG_REGISTER=3D1'. I had to do about a hundred of those. Howveer, there still remain two ports that refuse to be fixed: firefox and rxvt-unicode (as you can see above). They are each getting build errors. I could believe that's a coincidence in the case of firefox (the port is now at version 6.0), but even then I figure someone would have complained. For rxvt-unicode, though, the version has not changed and I was able to build 9.11 before. Here are the tails of the output from each: firefox: /usr/local/bin/python2.7 /usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/dist/sdk/bin/xpt.py link _xpidlgen/exthandler.xpt _xpidlgen/nsCExternalHandlerService.xpt _xpidlgen/nsIExternalProtocolService.xpt _xpidlgen/nsIExternalHelperAppService.xpt _xpidlgen/nsIHelperAppLauncherDialog.xpt _xpidlgen/nsIContentDispatchChooser.xpt _xpidlgen/nsIHandlerService.xpt _xpidlgen/nsIExternalSharingAppService.xpt _xpidlgen/nsIExternalURLHandlerService.xpt In file included from ../../dist/include/jsval.h:48, from ../../dist/include/jspubtd.h:47, from ../../dist/include/nsIDOMWindowInternal.h:17, from ../../dist/include/nsPIDOMWindow.h:47, from ../../dist/include/nsNPAPIPluginInstance.h:45, from ../../dist/include/nsPluginHost.h:48, from /usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/uriloader/exthandler/nsExternal= HelperAppService.cpp:112: =2E./../dist/include/jsutil.h:474: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before 'static' =2E./../dist/include/jsutil.h:474: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before 'static' =2E./../dist/include/jsutil.h:474: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before 'static' =2E./../dist/include/jsutil.h:474: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before 'static' =2E./../dist/include/jsutil.h:474: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before 'static' =2E./../dist/include/jsutil.h:474: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before 'static' =2E./../dist/include/jsutil.h:474: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before 'static' =2E./../dist/include/jsutil.h:474: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before 'static' =2E./../dist/include/jsutil.h:474: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before 'static' =2E./../dist/include/jsutil.h:474: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before 'static' =2E./../dist/include/jsutil.h:474: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before 'static' =2E./../dist/include/jsutil.h:474: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before 'static' =2E./../dist/include/jsutil.h:474: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before 'static' =2E./../dist/include/jsutil.h:474: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before 'static' =2E./../dist/include/jsutil.h:496: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'JS_ALWAYS_INLINE' with no type =2E./../dist/include/jsutil.h:496: error: expected ';' before 'void' =2E./../dist/include/jsutil.h:500: error: expected `;' before 'template' =2E./../dist/include/jsutil.h:500: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before 'static' =2E./../dist/include/jsutil.h:500: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before 'static' =2E./../dist/include/jsutil.h:622: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before 'static' =2E./../dist/include/jsutil.h:629: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before 'static' =2E./../dist/include/jsutil.h:646: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before 'static' =2E./../dist/include/jsutil.h:653: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before 'static' =2E./../dist/include/jsutil.h:669: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before 'static' In file included from ../../dist/include/jspubtd.h:47, from ../../dist/include/nsIDOMWindowInternal.h:17, from ../../dist/include/nsPIDOMWindow.h:47, from ../../dist/include/nsNPAPIPluginInstance.h:45, from ../../dist/include/nsPluginHost.h:48, from /usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/uriloader/exthandler/nsExternal= HelperAppService.cpp:112: =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:571: error: 'JS_ALWAYS_INLINE' does not name a type =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:577: error: 'JS_ALWAYS_INLINE' does not name a type =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:586: error: 'JS_ALWAYS_INLINE' does not name a type =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:592: error: 'JS_ALWAYS_INLINE' does not name a type =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:598: error: 'JS_ALWAYS_INLINE' does not name a type =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:606: error: 'JS_ALWAYS_INLINE' does not name a type =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:612: error: 'JS_ALWAYS_INLINE' does not name a type =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:618: error: 'JS_ALWAYS_INLINE' does not name a type =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:624: error: 'JS_ALWAYS_INLINE' does not name a type =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:635: error: 'JS_ALWAYS_INLINE' does not name a type =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:641: error: 'JS_ALWAYS_INLINE' does not name a type =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:647: error: 'JS_ALWAYS_INLINE' does not name a type =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:653: error: 'JS_ALWAYS_INLINE' does not name a type =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:661: error: 'JS_ALWAYS_INLINE' does not name a type =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:667: error: 'JS_ALWAYS_INLINE' does not name a type =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:676: error: 'JS_ALWAYS_INLINE' does not name a type =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:682: error: 'JS_ALWAYS_INLINE' does not name a type =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:689: error: 'JS_ALWAYS_INLINE' does not name a type =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:696: error: 'JS_ALWAYS_INLINE' does not name a type =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:704: error: 'JS_ALWAYS_INLINE' does not name a type =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:715: error: 'JS_ALWAYS_INLINE' does not name a type =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:721: error: 'JS_ALWAYS_INLINE' does not name a type =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:727: error: expected initializer before 'void' =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:735: error: 'JS_ALWAYS_INLINE' does not name a type =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:741: error: 'JS_ALWAYS_INLINE' does not name a type =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:747: error: 'JS_ALWAYS_INLINE' does not name a type =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:758: error: expected initializer before 'void' =2E./../dist/include/jsval.h:767: error: expected initializer before 'double' In file included from ../../dist/include/nsBaseHashtable.h:42, from ../../dist/include/nsInterfaceHashtable.h:41, from ../../dist/include/nsNPAPIPluginInstance.h:50, from ../../dist/include/nsPluginHost.h:48, from /usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/uriloader/exthandler/nsExternal= HelperAppService.cpp:112: =2E./../dist/system_wrappers/prlock.h:2: error: expected `}' before end of line =2E./../dist/system_wrappers/prlock.h:2: error: expected declaration before end of line gmake[4]: *** [nsExternalHelperAppService.o] Error 1 gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/uriloader/exthandler' gmake[3]: *** [exthandler_libs] Error 2 gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/uriloader' gmake[2]: *** [libs_tier_platform] Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release' gmake[1]: *** [tier_platform] Error 2 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release' gmake: *** [default] Error 2 *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/www/firefox. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/www/firefox. Now rxvt-unicode: c++ -I.. -I. -I. -I./../libev -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I/usr/local/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -w -I/usr/local/include -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/local/include/gdk-pixbuf-2.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -c ev_cpp.C PERL=3D"/usr/bin/perl5" /usr/bin/perl5 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/ExtUtils/xsubpp -C++ -typemap /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/ExtUtils/typemap -typemap typemap.iom -typemap typemap -prototypes ./rxvtperl.xs >rxvtperl.C Cannot open '$PERL Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93421065674 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:31:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo201.cox.net (eastrmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9748FC1C for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:31:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20110820203124.PGWH32549.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net>; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:31:24 -0400 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.83.25]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id NkXP1h00c0YnB6A02kXQ8j; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:31:24 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020205.4E50199C.005F,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=mwl0/2xM3ubHJTXa6l4kGPt5l4r2ytuQtfJUKIGJKFg= c=1 sm=1 a=AHD3wGNpyZoA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=2vO5UZG1h46htWAnE/rx2g==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=YqRfAJJkAAAA:8 a=rVsBDNZ_opW9vflhiMoA:9 a=Sl6M0u6wxvJhEMszoKQA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=UIDpq6-GphUA:10 a=2vO5UZG1h46htWAnE/rx2g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7KKVNur021015; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:31:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:31:18 -0500 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: Tijl Coosemans Message-ID: <20110820153118.6239a483@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20110820121001.654aa63d@cox.net> References: <20110817004913.792c125d@serene.no-ip.org> <201108201022.36963.tijl@coosemans.org> <20110820121001.654aa63d@cox.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: amarok doesn't support id3v2? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:31:28 -0000 On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:10:01 -0500 "Conrad J. Sabatier" wrote: > On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 10:22:28 +0200 > Tijl Coosemans wrote: > > > > I suspect taglib uses id3v2.4 whereas id3lib (used by id3v2 port) > > only supports id3v2.3. > > Ah, interesting. Hadn't considered such a possibility. > > Still, I'm puzzled. If I take a perfectly tagged file, modify it in > any way inside amarok, and then try to view the tags again using the > command line tool id3v2, all the id3v2 tags have been blown away. > > Is there that radical a change between the ID3 spec version 2.3 and > 2.4 that the tags would be completely unrecognizable anymore by id3v2? I asked about this on the id3v2 mailing list, and apparently, it is quite likely that some of the newer tags/frames in 2.4 are tripping up the older id3v2 tool. Gonna do a little hex dumping, etc. to verify, but it sounds like the probable cause. Any replacement suggestions for id3v2? I've gotten used to using this thing in my little custom scripts. Obviously need something new here. Thanks. -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 20:39:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D83106566B for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:39:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F378FC08 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:39:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F02DDD4 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:39:31 -0400 From: Daniel Staal To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <59CAD0660FAC8D48500A6032@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <20110820162245.166e8a05@scorpio> References: <86wre8inmi.fsf@gmail.com> <20110820162245.166e8a05@scorpio> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:39:33 -0000 --As of August 20, 2011 4:22:45 PM -0400, Jerry is alleged to have said: > I have never wasted my time with it personally; however, I thought I > read somewhere that it did not work if the user had built a custom > kernel. From what I have seen written regarding it, you have to move the > custom kernel out of the way and replace it with the generic kernel, > run the freebsd-update program and then re-install the custom kernel and > then rebuild that. Assuming that is correct, I can safely say that only > a masochist would find that solution given the numerous possibilities > for catastrophic failure any serious consideration. Obviously the KISS > principal was considered important in this scenario. --As for the rest, it is mine. Exactly how would you want to do a binary upgrade on a custom-configured kernel? (I.E.: A custom binary.) And can you name any OS that can do that? Although you don't have to replace the kernel with the generic, if you are doing a source upgrade. You should be able to do a standard source upgrade. (Making sure, of course, that your custom kernel's configuration is still valid for the newer source.) I might *recommend* replacing with a generic during the upgrade, just because it's safer to be upgrading to the tested kernel, but it shouldn't be required. Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 20:39:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D337A106564A for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:39:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9650F8FC12 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-15-138.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.15.138]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB501E2C0 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:39:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7KKdb6u002215 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:39:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:39:37 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Message-Id: <20110820223937.3f35efd2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110820162245.166e8a05@scorpio> References: <86wre8inmi.fsf@gmail.com> <20110820162245.166e8a05@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:39:39 -0000 On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:22:45 -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:09:53 -0700 > Michael Sierchio articulated: > > > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Dave Pooser > > wrote: > > > > > 3) Updates are a mess. It's cool that I *can* compile a new kernel, > > > but that I *have* to is ridiculous. Updating a server should not be > > > more difficult than "yum update" -- full stop. > > > > Are you lazy, or stupid? man freebsd-update > > I have never wasted my time with it personally; however, I thought I > read somewhere that it did not work if the user had built a custom > kernel. That's correct. The freebsd-update program is _not_ to be used for few specific cases, i. e. the OS version is a -STABLE or even -CURRENT one, or the user is running a non-GENERIC kernel. In such cases, updating from source is inteded, as freebsd-update is a very good tool for binary updating following the -RELEASE path (releases and security patches). _That_ is what it is designed for. It's not a "one size fits all" program. > From what I have seen written regarding it, you have to move the > custom kernel out of the way and replace it with the generic kernel, > run the freebsd-update program and then re-install the custom kernel and > then rebuild that. But this does still apply _only_ in cases where you're using a X.Y-pZ release of the OS, if I understood everything correctly. > Assuming that is correct, I can safely say that only > a masochist would find that solution given the numerous possibilities > for catastrophic failure any serious consideration. Obviously the KISS > principal was considered important in this scenario. There is another important principal: FIRST think, THEN do. In case of problems, restore from backup (which should be good practice in any updating scenario anyway, as in general and in every regards). :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 21:39:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B23B106566B for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 21:39:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEFA78FC14 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 21:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxe4 with SMTP id 4so3482020fxe.13 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:38:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=YodI5u8lx2FpAU7YVPdZbYOt57Tq+GF0mUo/RpUdrzw=; b=HbM+of1fdm/DcDWdn2mOaRANcNdy7Af0KG65sltiqfroeQPdV7m3FK9+RMrEtQ4OZR QJi3qbhmda7nRSmFUg4MiPgisIXrxwvOJfeBWmSwK60FqEapd1reiJ+hCibtt49CLIgy k5OVy5zAfuIEra32UDd1GNy5oSHs0FvfWoQ38= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.16.205 with SMTP id p13mr1195659faa.69.1313876338490; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:38:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.120.72 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:38:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110820223937.3f35efd2.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <86wre8inmi.fsf@gmail.com> <20110820162245.166e8a05@scorpio> <20110820223937.3f35efd2.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:38:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Polytropon , Dave Pooser , antiequality@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 21:39:00 -0000 On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Polytropon wrote: > That's correct. The freebsd-update program is _not_ to be used > for few specific cases, i. e. the OS version is a -STABLE or > even -CURRENT one, or the user is running a non-GENERIC kernel. > In such cases, updating from source is inteded, as freebsd-update > is a very good tool for binary updating following the -RELEASE > path (releases and security patches). _That_ is what it is > designed for. It's not a "one size fits all" program. > freebsd-update works quite well and quickly on systems with a custom kernel with the additional caveat you *should* rebuild and install the kernel afterward, and even this isn't always necessary. This is assuming you're on RELEASE or some BETA. Depending on your configuration, you may wish to set some additional parameters which are well documented. As for the whole "upgrading is too hard", well let's just say if you can't handle a make buildkernel; make installkernel command you would be looking at termination if that person had somehow tricked their way into employment. The kindest thing I can say about anyone who thinks yum upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade to be some form of Shangri-La is they enjoy the premise of ignorance = bliss. Threads like this(vague generalities) really bring out the fubar, and I would encourage anyone reading to research any fantastical claim(positive or negative) prior to bringing credulity into the process. Any of the technical claims concerning FreeBSD seems to be exquisitely covered in the Handbook. Anyone who thinks the OP wasn't trolling should learn a lesson here. Most here prefer certain software for one reason or another, yet I would put forward we don't feel the need to tell the alternatives they suck because we don't understand the way it works. This person went beyond such an ethical boundary and made all these assertions prior to engaging the community. As if that wasn't enough, statements like spending 48 hrs configuring an audio driver reveal the absurdity of these vagaries. Finally, review the op's email address which is the final nail in troll coffin if it wasn't neutrino-proof already. The only logical conclusion that can deduced from such behavior is this a a more devolved form of the BSD is dying troll. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 22:27:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5527E1065670 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:27:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave-freebsd@pooserville.com) Received: from smtp.pooserville.com (mail.pooserville.com [69.26.223.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7188FC0C for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:27:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mail.pooserville.com) by smtp.pooserville.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id LQ8ZPN-000FPV-BV; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:27:23 -0500 Received: from [76.183.154.110] (account dave-sa@pooserville.com HELO [192.168.74.51]) by mail.pooserville.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 983228; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:27:23 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.12.0.110505 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:27:20 -0500 From: Dave Pooser Sender: Dave Pooser To: Michael Sierchio Message-ID: Thread-Topic: A quality operating system In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:27:24 -0000 On 8/20/11 1:09 PM, "Michael Sierchio" wrote: >Are you lazy, or stupid? man freebsd-update You know, someone more clever than you might have read enough of the message to realize that since I specifically referenced DTrace support as a FreeBSD advantage, I would have to be using a custom kernel, which pretty much kills the freebsd-update advantage. Add a modicum of self awareness and you might also realize that you're the poster child for the original poster's point 5, "Hostile Community." Frankly, I don't give that argument against the FreeBSD community a ton of weight because *every* technical mailing list has some bitter losers with no social skills, but it might be food for thought, if you ever do that sort of thing. -- Dave Pooser Cat-Herder-in-Chief, Pooserville.com "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well-preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 22:39:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0FE1106564A for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:39:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459578FC08 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:39:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxe4 with SMTP id 4so3502514fxe.13 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:39:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=HYvnwKtnDriTKMZeKBL8wHcXPQezm87zRpndxUnvDHQ=; b=Zg/TGvz4NYBqD0w/di+dECgIll0x2VYaLypffqyQm0m/aZVjccm6DcSsxJNjDgaDdB jC8U3MZ6Uz5RTLEnVsTtyAjXctq0bgS7WJxiRpRq02escnH9rjK+/ixUgBwaGpZ2gwen stnSSWRZXh3GG9Cq5Brfl+i+njTt1M9usgjrQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.16.205 with SMTP id p13mr1245695faa.69.1313879976129; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.120.72 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:39:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:39:36 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Dave Pooser Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Michael Sierchio , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:39:37 -0000 On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Dave Pooser wrote: > On 8/20/11 1:09 PM, "Michael Sierchio" wrote: > > >Are you lazy, or stupid? man freebsd-update > > You know, someone more clever than you might have read enough of the > message to realize that since I specifically referenced DTrace support as > a FreeBSD advantage, I would have to be using a custom kernel, which > pretty much kills the freebsd-update advantage. > > Add a modicum of self awareness and you might also realize that you're the > poster child for the original poster's point 5, "Hostile Community." > Frankly, I don't give that argument against the FreeBSD community a ton of > weight because *every* technical mailing list has some bitter losers with > no social skills, but it might be food for thought, if you ever do that > sort of thing. > In your supposed deep thought of freebsd-update's capabilities, can you explain why you view a custom kernel as killing an advantage? I suspect when we actually delve into the technical details we will have an answer to Michael's question, and you may not like the flavor of the food. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 22:47:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DEFE106566C for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:47:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave-freebsd@pooserville.com) Received: from smtp.pooserville.com (mail.pooserville.com [69.26.223.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161808FC15 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:47:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mail.pooserville.com) by smtp.pooserville.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id LQ90MD-000GMY-C5; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:47:01 -0500 Received: from [76.183.154.110] (account dave-sa@pooserville.com HELO [192.168.74.51]) by mail.pooserville.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 983233; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:47:01 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.12.0.110505 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:46:58 -0500 From: Dave Pooser Sender: Dave Pooser To: Adam Vande More Message-ID: Thread-Topic: A quality operating system In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:47:02 -0000 On 8/20/11 4:38 PM, "Adam Vande More" wrote: >freebsd-update works quite well and quickly on systems with a custom >kernel with the additional caveat you *should* rebuild and install the >kernel afterward, and even this isn't always necessary. This is assuming >you're on RELEASE or some BETA. An honest question here-- how many people run production servers on RELEASE, never mind BETA? Mine has been running on STABLE, first 8.1 and then 8.2. I hold no brief for the original poster; I think he probably was trolling. I'm pretty sure Vadim Goncharov was NOT trolling on freebsd-arch when he wrote the message Test Rat referenced . And guess what his post listed as the biggest hinderance to wider adoption? === > 1. Social (psychologic) problems of community (marketing, docs, ...). This is the most important one, because all technical problems are just won't get solved because are even not viewed as problems. The FreeBSD Project does not listen to users' needs. The typical response when poor user want something is: "we don't need this, we won't change for you", with "where are your patches?" at best. Then many users go out when see such attitude toward them. The key points are: 1) *The competent user is not zealot*. 2) The system is *for users, not for developers*. === I probably would have been wiser not to respond to this thread at all; once the OP threw the bait out there people were bound to get angry and defensive. But Vadim's post resonated with me, as he covered many of the reasons I'd decided to retire FreeBSD in my company, so I figured I'd add one more perspective. -- Dave Pooser Cat-Herder-in-Chief, Pooserville.com "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well-preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 22:47:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49965106564A for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:47:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fish.kungfu@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01DA68FC0A for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxh11 with SMTP id 11so4411840vxh.13 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:47:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QP7wXpIWC0FQMMB7h/Tl5Q5Z5I5lMCymgxDIfnm9zmA=; b=HnFtS6XL677RAiOoNS1BqkJ0WPWFqYzSBblK+471AritAPnx5c9K0hU/32CNvds0e7 TkV19HbTK78qghtxhuqe3Ra4EI53EFGbUMdWQMsVWxrlwttvjDwsXESvplG1t4KK4U21 /iZ++1rkVSqobPtMzFY/eXM5SddDSX1BLRfX4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.97.97 with SMTP id dz1mr752559vdb.316.1313880427743; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.114.164 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:47:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:47:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: Fish Kungfu To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:47:09 -0000 Meanwhile, the OP has run away giggling like a juvenile who just threw a rock at a hornets nest. On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Dave Pooser > wrote: > > > On 8/20/11 1:09 PM, "Michael Sierchio" wrote: > > > > >Are you lazy, or stupid? man freebsd-update > > > > You know, someone more clever than you might have read enough of the > > message to realize that since I specifically referenced DTrace support as > > a FreeBSD advantage, I would have to be using a custom kernel, which > > pretty much kills the freebsd-update advantage. > > > > Add a modicum of self awareness and you might also realize that you're > the > > poster child for the original poster's point 5, "Hostile Community." > > Frankly, I don't give that argument against the FreeBSD community a ton > of > > weight because *every* technical mailing list has some bitter losers with > > no social skills, but it might be food for thought, if you ever do that > > sort of thing. > > > > In your supposed deep thought of freebsd-update's capabilities, can you > explain why you view a custom kernel as killing an advantage? I suspect > when we actually delve into the technical details we will have an answer to > Michael's question, and you may not like the flavor of the food. > > > -- > Adam Vande More > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 23:23:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F2F1065670 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:23:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [91.121.44.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EEDE8FC0A for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:23:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (12.176.97.84.rev.sfr.net [84.97.176.12]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id F0310FAA2DD3 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 01:23:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B9073700 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 01:23:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 01:23:05 +0200 From: Patrick Lamaiziere To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110821012305.5c71870e@davenulle.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:23:08 -0000 Le Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:46:58 -0500, Dave Pooser a écrit : > An honest question here-- how many people run production servers on > RELEASE, never mind BETA? Mine has been running on STABLE, first 8.1 > and then 8.2. Me! Because "if it works, don't break it.". From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 23:28:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4E7106564A for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:28:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from duane@duanemail.org) Received: from dsmdc-mail-smtp.mcomdc.com (mail-smtp04.mcomdc.com [97.64.187.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA31C8FC0A for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:28:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from home.dubuque.org ([173.19.99.202]) by dsmdc-mail-omta-03 with bizsmtp id NnU51h0064MzrsD01nU5hn; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:28:06 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=T8AOvo2Q c=1 sm=1 a=UjV8g++3doZAcsUdxxOQvA==:17 a=t7SsjwQDzwUA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=4IoMDrJJAAAA:8 a=-pLrhrzFcGp3Hml2hqgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=95EaFF-09JUA:10 a=UjV8g++3doZAcsUdxxOQvA==:117 Received: by home.dubuque.org (Postfix, from userid 58) id 99F281717040; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:28:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on home.dubuque.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: Reqd:5.0 Hits:-1.0 Bayes:0.5 Learn:disabled Tests:ALL_TRUSTED=-1 SHORTCIRCUIT=-0.0001 Received: from [192.168.1.254] (unknown [192.168.1.254]) (Authenticated sender: duane@duanemail.org) by home.dubuque.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 78DAB171701D for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:28:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.2 at home.dubuque.org Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:28:07 -0500 From: Duane Hill X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1833554810.20110820182807@duanemail.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20110821012305.5c71870e@davenulle.org> References: <20110821012305.5c71870e@davenulle.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:28:07 -0000 Saturday, August 20, 2011, 6:23:05 PM, wrote: > Le Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:46:58 -0500, > Dave Pooser a =E9crit : >> An honest question here-- how many people run production servers on >> RELEASE, never mind BETA? Mine has been running on STABLE, first 8.1 >> and then 8.2. > Me! Because "if it works, don't break it.". Me too. Been running FreeBSD release versions on servers for years.