From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 00:00:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B3A1065672 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 00:00:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035598FC18 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 00:00:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amd620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p7KNRuAV001818; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:28:03 -0600 From: Erich Dollansky To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:16:19 +0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.2-STABLE; KDE/4.5.4; amd64; ; ) References: <20110805191214.GA19848@kar.user-mode.org> In-Reply-To: <20110805191214.GA19848@kar.user-mode.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201108202016.19789.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Cc: Christian Barthel Subject: Re: Alternative windowmanagers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 00:00:37 -0000 Hi, On Saturday 06 August 2011 02:12:14 Christian Barthel wrote: > > I read on slashdot that Linus Torvalds moved from Gnome 2.3x to Xfce. It > seems that he isn't thrilled by xfce, but it's far better than Gnome3. > what else can he do? He already wrote a kernel for them. Should he now also write a WM for them? > As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big Stick with it. It seems to me that this version will be available for several years from now. > I am not very interested in eyecandy: I want a stable and fast wm (less > memory and cpu, quick access to important places), different workspaces, > and it should be configurable with ordinary files. Of course, It must > run under FreeBSD. I use Blackbox since many years. I check others once in a while but nothing can catch my attention like Blackbox. One huge plus point for me came only recently to light. I needed many workspaces to be able to switch easy between some 150 technical documents. Not even XFCE would allow me this but Blackbox did. Anyway, I think you are on the right track. Check some out. Keep them for some days and keep finally what does not come into your way very often. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 00:12:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D5F106566B for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 00:12:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from mail.mroute.net (lax-gw06.mailroute.net [199.89.0.106]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7605A8FC0C for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 00:12:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lax-gw06.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BEE9C5B3; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 00:12:35 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by lax-gw06.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FAC4C5B0; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 00:12:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 66A1222BA; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: Duane Hill References: <20110821012305.5c71870e@davenulle.org> <1833554810.20110820182807@duanemail.org> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.18.11.11; tzolkin = 9 Chuen; haab = 19 Yaxkin Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:12:19 -0700 In-Reply-To: <1833554810.20110820182807@duanemail.org> (Duane Hill's message of "Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:28:07 -0500") Message-ID: <86sjov7hcs.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 00:12:43 -0000 >>>>> "Duane" =3D=3D Duane Hill writes: Duane> Saturday, August 20, 2011, 6:23:05 PM, wrote: >> Le Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:46:58 -0500, >> Dave Pooser a =C3=A9crit : >>> An honest question here-- how many people run production servers on >>> RELEASE, never mind BETA? Mine has been running on STABLE, first 8.1 >>> and then 8.2. >> Me! Because "if it works, don't break it.". Duane> Me too. Been running FreeBSD release versions on servers for Duane> years. me too --=20 Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 01:05:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E405106566C for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 01:05:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3DC8FC16 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 01:05:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so15185041iye.17 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:05:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=aIAeyRLrDIvozY/qJlhvMZYlr7LG1036qpetNCg3pTw=; b=WbCybq1DTnftWaKAKHnBxe1hAZ8YEYDrkzdd+xrcrr2PiSlPNbBDG0Q3jrRDAdMvfc DDmXkrRTDWm6QrszTcuCp9Cy2CTwe4wmTghpdPWA5MJEcJ+gjZdmJSQ3lOEEq8a3EtaG 2FYTZYaFId8KqjPL4+sy3T84RcdnwbBKw/w+k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.158.74 with SMTP id g10mr160204icx.247.1313888742533; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.179.2 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:05:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:05:42 -0500 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: Evan Busch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 01:05:43 -0000 > All of this adds up to a quality operating system in theory that does > not translate into quality in reality. > > You alienate users and place the burden upon them to sort through your > mess, then sneer at them. > > You alienate business, professional and artistic users with your > insistence on hobbyism. These people have full lives; 48 hour sessions > of trying to configure audio drivers, network cards or drive arrays > are not in their interest. > > Even when you get big parts of the operating system correct, it's the > thousand little details that have been forgotten, ignored or snootily > written off that add up to many hours of frustration for the end user. > This is not necessary frustration, and they get nothing out of it. It > seems to exist because of the emotional and social attitudes of the > FreeBSD team. > > > Sadly, Ron is right. FreeBSD is not right for us, or any others who > care about using an operating system as a means to an end. FreeBSD is > a hobby and you have to use it because you like using it for the > purpose of using it, and anything else will be incidental. > 1) Is someone pointing a gun to you and forcing you to use FreeBSD? 2) A system is as good as its users, and you my friend "might not be an adequate user" 3) If you don't like it Don't Use it! 4) Many of your opinions are just that opinions and not facts. They remind me of the saying "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one" :) 5) The community is excellent and very helpful. Sure some questions might go unanswered, but in any list you have all kinds of folks, folks that are very helpful and folks who tell you to READ and find out for yourself. Also, if you want additional support you may also pay for it. There is no such thing as a "Free Lunch". There are several BSD certification courses you may take and be a true power user. 6) Every system out there has its advantages & disadvantages. You don't have to come & insult the people who run/use FreeBSD just because it does not suit your tastes. 7) For the audio drivers & network cards part, Have you asked about it? Have you done some work? Have you run $ su - passwd # kldload snd_driver # cat /dev/sndstat # ifconfig -a and check which interfaces are shown and have tried to prompt network with one of them? Do you expect everything to be done for you like other systems who have spoiled you? You can compare FreeBSD to other systems and it has been shown that it is a "Giant among Giants". If you wanted some handholding along they way, you could have tried PC-BSD. 8) I have used many systems, and I have had some difficulties with FreeBSD. Is it FreeBSD's fault? No of course not! I have found help from many caring users and fixed many of them. I shot myself in the foot several times and complained to myself why does FreeBSD seem too hard? It is what you make of it. You have to invest some time, and don't expect things to just happen. 9) If you came across with a different tone or perspective, then you could get more positive feedback. You are attacking a community that does not OWE you anything. You could have made some suggestions but in a friendly way not like you did. 10) Have a nice day and enjoy your OS of choice be it whatever it is. Regards, Antonio Happy FreeBSD user. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 01:50:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F041B106564A for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 01:50:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbiquez@intranet.com.mx) Received: from intranet.com.mx (intranet.com.mx [200.33.246.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF24E8FC12 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 01:50:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from PC2.intranet.com.mx (189.191.92.231) by intranet.com.mx with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.9) for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:52:25 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:47:50 -0500 To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" From: Jorge Biquez Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-ID: <3396736345-1119661735@intranet.com.mx> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 02:02:59 +0000 Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 01:50:55 -0000 Hello. I insist.... Can we know what was the OS you all decided to use ? Thanks Jorge Biquez From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 02:09:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B45A106566B for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 02:09:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from editor@d3photography.com) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EDC18FC15 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 02:09:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 602D926D76E3; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 21:09:36 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Aa3--Az+tEfx; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 21:09:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.0.1.198] (70-89-202-1-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D9F3B26D76E2; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 21:09:23 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ryan Coleman X-Priority: 1 (Highest) In-Reply-To: <3396736345-1119661735@intranet.com.mx> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 21:09:12 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8D1916B6-889F-4ECB-8455-17FE27F52684@d3photography.com> References: <3396736345-1119661735@intranet.com.mx> To: Jorge Biquez X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) Cc: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 02:09:26 -0000 I use FreeBSD 9, 8.2 and 8.1.=20 OS X 10.7 (Lion) Windows 7 Professional (64-bit), Windows Vista Ultimate (64-bit) and = Windows XP Professional (32-bit). iOS 4, Blackberry 6 and Android 2.2.2. Oh, you weren't asking me. Sorry. :-p On Aug 20, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Jorge Biquez wrote: > Hello. >=20 > I insist.... Can we know what was the OS you all decided to use ? >=20 > Thanks >=20 > Jorge Biquez >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 02:18:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDBB106564A for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 02:18:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carl@carlgsmith.com) Received: from fate.ctgameinfo.com (fate.ctgameinfo.com [50.22.51.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E3A8FC0A for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 02:18:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from harwood (S01060018e7c74caf.vc.shawcable.net [70.79.11.177]) by fate.ctgameinfo.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 52D64450F0 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:00:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at spamass From: "Carl G Smith" To: References: Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:01:07 -0700 Message-ID: <27081124F1EC4790981778923D271F59@harwood> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acxfn1/iTnMlNa0bTnmTpQG1CgLssQABoYMw Subject: RE: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 02:18:29 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Antonio Olivares Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 6:06 PM To: Evan Busch Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A quality operating system > All of this adds up to a quality operating system in theory that does > not translate into quality in reality. > > You alienate users and place the burden upon them to sort through your > mess, then sneer at them. > > You alienate business, professional and artistic users with your > insistence on hobbyism. These people have full lives; 48 hour sessions > of trying to configure audio drivers, network cards or drive arrays > are not in their interest. > > Even when you get big parts of the operating system correct, it's the > thousand little details that have been forgotten, ignored or snootily > written off that add up to many hours of frustration for the end user. > This is not necessary frustration, and they get nothing out of it. It > seems to exist because of the emotional and social attitudes of the > FreeBSD team. > > > Sadly, Ron is right. FreeBSD is not right for us, or any others who > care about using an operating system as a means to an end. FreeBSD is > a hobby and you have to use it because you like using it for the > purpose of using it, and anything else will be incidental. > 1) Is someone pointing a gun to you and forcing you to use FreeBSD? 2) A system is as good as its users, and you my friend "might not be an adequate user" 3) If you don't like it Don't Use it! 4) Many of your opinions are just that opinions and not facts. They remind me of the saying "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one" :) 5) The community is excellent and very helpful. Sure some questions might go unanswered, but in any list you have all kinds of folks, folks that are very helpful and folks who tell you to READ and find out for yourself. Also, if you want additional support you may also pay for it. There is no such thing as a "Free Lunch". There are several BSD certification courses you may take and be a true power user. 6) Every system out there has its advantages & disadvantages. You don't have to come & insult the people who run/use FreeBSD just because it does not suit your tastes. 7) For the audio drivers & network cards part, Have you asked about it? Have you done some work? Have you run $ su - passwd # kldload snd_driver # cat /dev/sndstat # ifconfig -a and check which interfaces are shown and have tried to prompt network with one of them? Do you expect everything to be done for you like other systems who have spoiled you? You can compare FreeBSD to other systems and it has been shown that it is a "Giant among Giants". If you wanted some handholding along they way, you could have tried PC-BSD. 8) I have used many systems, and I have had some difficulties with FreeBSD. Is it FreeBSD's fault? No of course not! I have found help from many caring users and fixed many of them. I shot myself in the foot several times and complained to myself why does FreeBSD seem too hard? It is what you make of it. You have to invest some time, and don't expect things to just happen. 9) If you came across with a different tone or perspective, then you could get more positive feedback. You are attacking a community that does not OWE you anything. You could have made some suggestions but in a friendly way not like you did. 10) Have a nice day and enjoy your OS of choice be it whatever it is. Regards, Antonio Happy FreeBSD user. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I have heard that the OS X OS is based on FreeBSD. Is this true? Carl G Smith carl@carlgsmith.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 02:42:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68E2106566C for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 02:42:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867C38FC14 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 02:42:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so3375288gxk.13 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.105.7 with SMTP id h7mr873626agm.188.1313894577482; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:42:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from papi.localnet ([187.112.6.15]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s62sm3769994yhn.75.2011.08.20.19.42.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:42:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:42:53 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.2-STABLE; KDE/4.6.2; amd64; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201108202342.53891.lobo@bsd.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 02:42:59 -0000 On Saturday 20 August 2011 19:47:07 Fish Kungfu wrote: > Meanwhile, the OP has run away giggling like a juvenile who just threw a > rock at a hornets nest. > You bet! The OP (and Rob) were probably just bored, but Vadim Goncharov was definetly NOT! (Thanks Test Rat!) . That got me worried. It does provide a global picture as to why some of OP's "bad" feelings about the future of FreeBSD can pop up. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 02:46:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A446A1065674 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 02:46:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7953B8FC08 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 02:46:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4283BE23 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:46:09 -0400 From: Daniel Staal To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <27081124F1EC4790981778923D271F59@harwood> References: <27081124F1EC4790981778923D271F59@harwood> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: RE: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 02:46:11 -0000 --As of August 20, 2011 7:01:07 PM -0700, Carl G Smith is alleged to have said: > I have heard that the OS X OS is based on FreeBSD. Is this true? --As for the rest, it is mine. Partially. It combines a mostly Mach kernel with some FreeBSD-derived userland and interfaces, then adds a proprietary window manager and UI on top of the rest. So the largest single source of code is probably FreeBSD, but neither the kernel or the part most people interact with isn't. Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 04:13:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38183106566B for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 04:13:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbiquez@intranet.com.mx) Received: from intranet.com.mx (intranet.com.mx [200.33.246.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133718FC16 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 04:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from PC2.intranet.com.mx (189.191.92.231) by intranet.com.mx with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.9); Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:15:13 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:13:32 -0500 To: Ryan Coleman From: Jorge Biquez In-Reply-To: <8D1916B6-889F-4ECB-8455-17FE27F52684@d3photography.com> References: <3396736345-1119661735@intranet.com.mx> <8D1916B6-889F-4ECB-8455-17FE27F52684@d3photography.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-ID: <3396744913-1119661742@intranet.com.mx> Cc: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 04:13:42 -0000 Hello. ;=) Thanks for the comments.. :=) No, I am curious what they decided to use that covers all the points , at least better that FreeBSD. Seriously I would like to see or hear about the comparison chart between all OSs. And a question arrive to my mind... if for some reason, I know it is impossible, but if for some reason FreeBSD would stop existing... serious users of FreeBSD, what would be your next OS? Why? Take care all JB At 09:09 p.m. 20/08/2011, Ryan Coleman wrote: >I use FreeBSD 9, 8.2 and 8.1. > >OS X 10.7 (Lion) > >Windows 7 Professional (64-bit), Windows Vista Ultimate (64-bit) and >Windows XP Professional (32-bit). > >iOS 4, Blackberry 6 and Android 2.2.2. > >Oh, you weren't asking me. Sorry. :-p > >On Aug 20, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Jorge Biquez wrote: > > > Hello. > > > > I insist.... Can we know what was the OS you all decided to use ? > > > > Thanks > > > > Jorge Biquez > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 04:18:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E2A11065672 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 04:18:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E18828FC23 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 04:18:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 10223 invoked by uid 0); 21 Aug 2011 04:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2011 04:18:12 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=uXaYMa3jjXBUc2o+UJWZ/RIZd2zsB7/HOKPBBljN40U=; b=SM8vsZxKj2pZ6lgljSwn+uJHMHX7MbsGQBpxNLVPgvJcieLvs1R9Ty7DZxyb7phSH9H+O3fnNU77fUDUycjE+FviMI4JehH4OqtYqRI6tG0JP4odlTy/D2MhS4iReWGA; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1QuzUB-0004cK-Db for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:18:12 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:00:10 -0600 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:00:10 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110821040010.GA22822@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110821012305.5c71870e@davenulle.org> <1833554810.20110820182807@duanemail.org> <86sjov7hcs.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86sjov7hcs.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 04:18:13 -0000 --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 05:12:19PM -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>> "Duane" =3D=3D Duane Hill writes: >=20 > Duane> Saturday, August 20, 2011, 6:23:05 PM, wrote: > >> Le Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:46:58 -0500, > >> Dave Pooser a =E9crit : >=20 > >>> An honest question here-- how many people run production servers on > >>> RELEASE, never mind BETA? Mine has been running on STABLE, first 8.1 > >>> and then 8.2. >=20 > >> Me! Because "if it works, don't break it.". >=20 > Duane> Me too. Been running FreeBSD release versions on servers for > Duane> years. >=20 > me too ditto --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk5QgsoACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXw8wCfdvbSkBNQK0IN82yZ9H4g0iq2 cw4AoNH+g1PiCZoMNE5TrFYhkJ7A8Uth =+6g9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 05:43:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A740C1065673 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 05:43:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-pz0-f45.google.com (mail-pz0-f45.google.com [209.85.210.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE738FC12 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 05:43:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33so12999307pzk.18 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.179.5 with SMTP id b5mr804012wff.45.1313905388330; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.9] (ool-43529a81.dyn.optonline.net [67.82.154.129]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s8sm2132867wff.17.2011.08.20.22.43.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E509AD6.9060700@xaerolimit.net> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 01:42:46 -0400 From: Chris Brennan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: FreeBSD Questions References: <20110819054322.GB29687@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3 OpenPGP: id=D5B20C0C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig18F7445527CCFEB3A5D1B484" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: ZFS and NFS or CIFS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 05:43:09 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig18F7445527CCFEB3A5D1B484 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020203000102080107060407" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020203000102080107060407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 8/19/2011 4:05 PM, Henry M wrote: > Hi Chris, >=20 > If you are transferring data from a Windows machine, your best bet woul= d > be to use SAMBA. Windows communicates with samba pretty easily. You > essentially just mount a network drive, and transfer the files you want= =2E >=20 > Here are a few links to get you started: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-samba.html > http://www.freebsddiary.org/samba.php >=20 > The samba configs are pretty straight forward, you just need to make > permissions are correct. >=20 > Good luck! >=20 > Regards, > Henry Henry, I'm very familiar with Samba as a standalone appliance, have been using it for quite some time. But that wasn't what I wanted to do. It's my understand that ZFS can export to both ZFS *and* CIFS/SMB, I'd like to know how to actually do (maybe utilize is the correct term instead of use) that. If it were as easy as just installing Samba from Ports or Packages, then I would have done so already, but I am trying to teach myself how ZFS can be useful in my environments and not limit myself or taking the long way around. But thank you regardless, if it turns out, I can't accomplish my goal (of utilizing NFS and/or CIFS/SMB from within ZFS) then I will go the tried and true and very traditional route of install Samba. --=20 > Chris Brennan > -- > A: Yes. > >Q: Are you sure? > >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? > http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ > GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------020203000102080107060407-- --------------enig18F7445527CCFEB3A5D1B484 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEbBAEBAgAGBQJOUJreAAoJEO7NmoTVsgwMx38H90T4Q0CZG83NxJ9OJqO+0QDG XwCg5v4ULHRljmUDxwj9CKMgEXyIeY2dLH5heIDLgeRFEhK5TKI4xtLM3KRgqnea H18Lcskm/V64zpAIhgcYko9ZI+RvBD0PqyxOumNEoOY+aWRge3ziKbDdMsRhQKwn u7HCJP2lMiJz3roeJo62RK0azfdLQSu5fKhNvwqOO4Li1FbMlAH1sflvl28RpvMY v6INLN4YFSUiLxBCOZ5AA5dvnioX4b46CVwdoa/yruDkxmKH9FEC2y+j5K82Y5fR xkFKj/xBCF7f1vGWQM5LvQ1auyoJoUWHpRI3UNxTnIrY+ksfYtqBMiwiRzq/Zg== =L70C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig18F7445527CCFEB3A5D1B484-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 06:52:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5975106566C for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 06:52:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ndhertbsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760758FC08 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 06:52:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so15920990iye.17 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:52:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=VHn+7FFo/yBF1+aeuO/FLaNQ8qIpYTCnPXsrvvJYxSM=; b=hNrHf9rQbKXpBbpte8CuxQQumBtzluli5rKM7iCkRbSorsj59c59mIFe64gcrAZDzr sWrvG4ngPiOH0VHQDRoiS52P2mptZrxvY0z3fLDjTwv2jEeM96yCThQGnOPcfKHsJ6v0 Cjlx+7gupKeVunIH83VlJItyn+nDSDd06wZKA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.141.202 with SMTP id p10mr1260065icu.179.1313908003285; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.209 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 08:26:43 +0200 Message-ID: From: n dhert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: upgrade of portupgrade to 2.4.9,2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 06:52:26 -0000 I did a portupgrade on a freebsd 8.2-RELEASE of the portupgrade program itself portupgrade-2.4.8_1,2 < needs updating (index has 2.4.9,2) (that upgraded also ruby to 1.9: ... ===> Cleaning for ruby-1.9.2.290,1 ===> Cleaning for ruby19-bdb-0.6.6 ===> Cleaning for libffi-3.0.9 ===> Cleaning for libyaml-0.1.4_1 ===> Cleaning for portupgrade-2.4.9,2 ) After the portupgrade finished, I did # pkgdb -F ---> Checking the package registry database Duplicated origin: databases/ruby-bdb - ruby18-bdb-0.6.6 ruby19-bdb-0.6.6 Unregister any of them? [no] yes Unregister ruby18-bdb-0.6.6 keeping the installed files intact? [no] yes -> ruby19-bdb-0.6.6 is kept. --> Saving the ruby18-bdb-0.6.6's +CONTENTS file as /var/db/pkg/ruby19-bdb-0.6 .6/+CONTENTS.ruby18-bdb-0.6.6 --> Unregistering ruby18-bdb-0.6.6 --> Done. [Updating the pkgdb in /var/db/pkg ... - 70 packages found (- 1 +0) (...) done] Stale dependency: portupgrade-2.4.9,2 -> ruby18-bdb-0.6.6 (databases/ruby-bdb): undefined method `map' for # # pkgdb -F ---> Checking the package registry database Stale dependency: portupgrade-2.4.9,2 -> ruby18-bdb-0.6.6 (databases/ruby-bdb): undefined method `map' for # So it seems portupgrade does not use ruby 1.9, but I already unregistered it How to un-unregister that, or how to make portugprade use ruby 1.9 ? There's nothing in /usr/ports/UPDATING about that.. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 12:01:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6CDE1065670 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 12:01:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tijl@coosemans.org) Received: from mailrelay004.isp.belgacom.be (mailrelay004.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.6.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539328FC21 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 12:01:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Belgacom-Dynamic: yes X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAHTyUE5bsfbH/2dsb2JhbABBqBB4gUABAQVWGAsQCxguOR4GE4dzthuGSASHMZxb Received: from 199.246-177-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (HELO kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org) ([91.177.246.199]) by relay.skynet.be with ESMTP; 21 Aug 2011 14:01:20 +0200 Received: from kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org [127.0.0.1]) by kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7LC1JX3004751; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:01:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from tijl@coosemans.org) From: Tijl Coosemans To: "Conrad J. Sabatier" Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:01:09 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.0-BETA1; KDE/4.6.5; i386; ; ) References: <20110817004913.792c125d@serene.no-ip.org> <20110820121001.654aa63d@cox.net> <20110820153118.6239a483@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20110820153118.6239a483@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart5134683.viSRcvJZET"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201108211401.17039.tijl@coosemans.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: amarok doesn't support id3v2? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 12:01:22 -0000 --nextPart5134683.viSRcvJZET Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Saturday 20 August 2011 22:31:18 Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:10:01 -0500 > "Conrad J. Sabatier" wrote: >> On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 10:22:28 +0200 >> Tijl Coosemans wrote: >>> I suspect taglib uses id3v2.4 whereas id3lib (used by id3v2 port) >>> only supports id3v2.3. >>=20 >> Ah, interesting. Hadn't considered such a possibility. >>=20 >> Still, I'm puzzled. If I take a perfectly tagged file, modify it in >> any way inside amarok, and then try to view the tags again using the >> command line tool id3v2, all the id3v2 tags have been blown away. >>=20 >> Is there that radical a change between the ID3 spec version 2.3 and >> 2.4 that the tags would be completely unrecognizable anymore by id3v2? >=20 > I asked about this on the id3v2 mailing list, and apparently, it is > quite likely that some of the newer tags/frames in 2.4 are tripping up > the older id3v2 tool. Gonna do a little hex dumping, etc. to verify, > but it sounds like the probable cause. >=20 > Any replacement suggestions for id3v2? I've gotten used to using this > thing in my little custom scripts. Obviously need something new here. There's audio/tagutil, but as a generic tag editor it's not as powerful as an editor specific for id3 tags. --nextPart5134683.viSRcvJZET Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (FreeBSD) iF4EABEIAAYFAk5Q84wACgkQfoCS2CCgtityjAD8Clp+fysldl73sDa83cO0ccCq /LtnZ/Z4L15KBRNK04QA/2XQ1iD2Opbbq2rfQNt4nOwHB3uO2xTEG1dbwl0JDk/u =TqZC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart5134683.viSRcvJZET-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 14:54:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D241106564A; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:54:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from cp-out9.libero.it (cp-out9.libero.it [212.52.84.109]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861388FC14; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:54:47 +0000 (UTC) X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0208.4E511C36.0012,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-libjamoibt: 1555 Received: from soth.ventu (151.41.161.26) by cp-out9.libero.it (8.5.133) id 4DD242330D6D2E33; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 16:54:45 +0200 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7LDISwQ091546; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:19:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Message-ID: <4E5105A4.1060706@netfence.it> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:18:28 +0200 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; it-IT; rv:1.9.2.20) Gecko/20110817 Thunderbird/3.1.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.72 on 10.1.2.13 Cc: stas@FreeBSD.org, knu@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: upgrade of portupgrade to 2.4.9,2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:54:48 -0000 On 08/21/11 08:26, n dhert wrote: > I did a portupgrade on a freebsd 8.2-RELEASE > of the portupgrade program itself > portupgrade-2.4.8_1,2< needs updating (index has 2.4.9,2) > (that upgraded also ruby to 1.9: I did the same on some boxes and I'm having a lot of troubles too... # pkgdb -L Look for lost dependencies: undefined method `map' for # # libchk /usr/local/sbin/libchk:96: formal argument cannot be a global variable |$strict| ^ /usr/local/sbin/libchk:100: formal argument cannot be a global variable |$detailed| ^ # portupgrade -Rf libchk [Gathering depends for sysutils/libchk ........................... done] [Exclude up-to-date packages ................. done] ---> Reinstalling 'libchk-1.10.1' (sysutils/libchk) ---> Building '/usr/ports/sysutils/libchk' ===> Cleaning for libchk-1.10.1 ===> License check disabled, port has not defined LICENSE ===> Extracting for libchk-1.10.1 => SHA256 Checksum OK for libchk-1.10.1.tar.bz2. ===> libchk-1.10.1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/ruby19 - found ===> Patching for libchk-1.10.1 ===> libchk-1.10.1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/ruby19 - found ===> libchk-1.10.1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/ruby19 - found ===> Configuring for libchk-1.10.1 ===> Building for libchk-1.10.1 Warning: Object directory not changed from original /usr/ports/sysutils/libchk/work/libchk-1.10.1 gzip -cn libchk.1 > libchk.1.gz ---> Backing up the old version ---> Uninstalling the old version ---> Deinstalling 'libchk-1.10.1' [Updating the pkgdb in /var/db/pkg ... - 361 packages found (-1 +0) (...) done] ---> Installing the new version via the port ===> Installing for libchk-1.10.1 ===> libchk-1.10.1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/ruby19 - found ===> Generating temporary packing list install -o root -g wheel -m 555 libchk.rb /usr/local/sbin/libchk install -o root -g wheel -m 444 libchk.1.gz /usr/local/man/man1 ===> Registering installation for libchk-1.10.1 ===> Cleaning for libchk-1.10.1 ---> Cleaning out obsolete shared libraries [Updating the pkgdb in /var/db/pkg ... - 362 packages found (-0 +1) . done] ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) - ["ruby-1.9.2.290,1"] (["ruby-1.9.2.290,1"]: 1.9.2.290,1"]: Not in due form: '[_][,]'.) - ["openssl-1.0.0_5"] (["openssl-1.0.0_5"]: 1.0.0_5"]: Not in due form: '[_][,]'.) - ["libyaml-0.1.4_1"] (["libyaml-0.1.4_1"]: 0.1.4_1"]: Not in due form: '[_][,]'.) - ["perl-5.8.9_5"] (["perl-5.8.9_5"]: 5.8.9_5"]: Not in due form: '[_][,]'.) - ["makedepend-1.0.3,1"] (["makedepend-1.0.3,1"]: 1.0.3,1"]: Not in due form: '[_][,]'.) - ["pkg-config-0.25_1"] (["pkg-config-0.25_1"]: 0.25_1"]: Not in due form: '[_][,]'.) - ["libiconv-1.13.1_1"] (["libiconv-1.13.1_1"]: 1.13.1_1"]: Not in due form: '[_][,]'.) - ["m4-1.4.16,1"] (["m4-1.4.16,1"]: 1.4.16,1"]: Not in due form: '[_][,]'.) - ["p5-Locale-gettext-1.05_3"] (["p5-Locale-gettext-1.05_3"]: 1.05_3"]: Not in due form: '[_][,]'.) (I think the ignored packages should have been reinstalled... however this was only a try at fixing the previous error). I also issued "portsdb -uU" *after* the portupgrade update, but to no avail. bye av. P.S. This is on 7.3/amd64 and 8.1/i386. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 15:11:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6541A106566B for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:11:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E78568FC0C for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxe4 with SMTP id 4so3789130fxe.13 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 08:11:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+VVzDwCLv8QVl9i1VuhcYxMy98HSKKu6+is72TkCR1k=; b=Oy9LN+6KXw7QMlg+9PCo0WXICk+nbKKVBZ9ofAH8DHTf652Gu2Cjv9EilPJYAZehBU q8VxKkV30tkFgRcvxmtQU4Nejfeet9gYfF9iSi/WLJfBmEmNNSU5yHvZVv5q81c2cQ1n noaMDo3JcUgbJMqJc8RPXoA82eILR8UKQPH48= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.55.205 with SMTP id v13mr2216228fag.88.1313939475638; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 08:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.120.72 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 08:11:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <27081124F1EC4790981778923D271F59@harwood> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 10:11:15 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:11:18 -0000 On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Daniel Staal wrote: > --As of August 20, 2011 7:01:07 PM -0700, Carl G Smith is alleged to have > said: > > I have heard that the OS X OS is based on FreeBSD. Is this true? >> > > --As for the rest, it is mine. > > Partially. It combines a mostly Mach kernel with some FreeBSD-derived > userland and interfaces, then adds a proprietary window manager and UI on > top of the rest. > > So the largest single source of code is probably FreeBSD, but neither the > kernel or the part most people interact with isn't. This is incorrect. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2008-August/003674.html -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 15:15:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186C1106566C for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:15:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from editor@d3photography.com) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8228FC0A for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:15:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8AB26D77B7; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 10:15:24 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sjocNaGgojvx; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 10:15:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.0.1.198] (70-89-202-1-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6632126D77B6; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 10:15:06 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 10:14:51 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <839D32A2-C8E9-4B0E-974F-A1A623414BD8@d3photography.com> References: <27081124F1EC4790981778923D271F59@harwood> To: Adam Vande More X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:15:15 -0000 On Aug 21, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Daniel Staal wrote: >=20 >> --As of August 20, 2011 7:01:07 PM -0700, Carl G Smith is alleged to = have >> said: >>=20 >> I have heard that the OS X OS is based on FreeBSD. Is this true? >>>=20 >>=20 >> --As for the rest, it is mine. >>=20 >> Partially. It combines a mostly Mach kernel with some = FreeBSD-derived >> userland and interfaces, then adds a proprietary window manager and = UI on >> top of the rest. >>=20 >> So the largest single source of code is probably FreeBSD, but neither = the >> kernel or the part most people interact with isn't. >=20 >=20 > This is incorrect. >=20 > = http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2008-August/003674.htm= l I read the article... and it says that the largest single source of code = when it was written was FreeBSD. 21MM lines out of 39MM overall. Now since then they've released a lot of new features and what-not so I = doubt it still holds at 53.8% but I would bet it is still the single = largest source of code. Does it matter? No. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 15:33:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A68E106564A for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:33:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD488FC08 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:33:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2742ED6; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 11:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 11:33:38 -0400 From: Daniel Staal To: Chris Brennan , FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <2E1FAA38D0EED634E8FB1D67@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <20110819054322.GB29687@gmail.com> References: <20110819054322.GB29687@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: ZFS and NFS or CIFS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:33:40 -0000 --As of August 19, 2011 1:43:23 AM -0400, Chris Brennan is alleged to have said: > I have several ZFS volumes set up on my FreeBSD 8.2 (32-bit) server at > home and I am trying to figure out how to set up a NFS and/or CIFS share > of the various volumes I have created and for the life of me, I can't > figure it out. I don't really care which one or both right now (I should > learn both). I just have tons and tons of data to move from my Windows > desktop to this server and I'd like to use something other then SFTP, > even over my LAN, it's very slow. > > Many thanks to anyone who can point me in the right direction... --As for the rest, it is mine. I've only tried NFS, but it's fairly easy. Either of these are controlled by ZFS properties, set by the command `zfs set` with the property names being 'sharesmb' or 'sharenfs'. The value of the property is the options you want to use for the share. See `man zfs` for more detail, plus the docs for the type of share you decide to set up for the options. Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 15:52:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F031065670 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:52:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B34F98FC08 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 17188 invoked by uid 0); 21 Aug 2011 15:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2011 15:52:49 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=7GbIU9cMMvQQ6jkk8kxv+pOrphZMPcfBTNE/DuWQvfg=; b=gGQZ5GdCtdoFKJ86x3dK06YN/Wb6Avt2d+63cNe3wg88iEGOaccLgjyapIxy0axJbruYKPCSW6LhipgQcn8IkHTlC77IxKOq6Yq8Vq4tiqNUJvwPcaSGFsV/xfzmpQYn; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1QvAKO-0004OY-8o for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:52:49 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:34:45 -0600 Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:34:45 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Message-ID: <20110821153445.GA25529@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" References: <3396736345-1119661735@intranet.com.mx> <8D1916B6-889F-4ECB-8455-17FE27F52684@d3photography.com> <3396744913-1119661742@intranet.com.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="envbJBWh7q8WU6mo" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3396744913-1119661742@intranet.com.mx> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:52:50 -0000 --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:13:32PM -0500, Jorge Biquez wrote: > Hello. >=20 > ;=3D) Thanks for the comments.. :=3D) >=20 >=20 > No, I am curious what they decided to use that covers all the points=20 > , at least better that FreeBSD. >=20 > Seriously I would like to see or hear about the comparison chart=20 > between all OSs. And a question arrive to my mind... if for some=20 > reason, I know it is impossible, but if for some reason FreeBSD would=20 > stop existing... serious users of FreeBSD, what would be your next OS? Wh= y? I'd have to do some serious thinking about the comparative benefits of DragonFly BSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and a number of Linux distributions. I have a sneaking suspicion I'd end up with NetBSD or OpenBSD, though. Note that I'm talking about my "primary" OS of choice. I use OSes other than FreeBSD already for specific purposes (i.e., Win7 for portability testing, OpenBSD for firewall/router). --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk5RJZUACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWAHACfTQWkh1C0ISpf4QwYoh6L2Y7J iPMAnR5CUT6HBaWeu+XL6z+/0Dk4Aa7X =9fvn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 16:34:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC8C5106567F for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 16:34:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 477B08FC08 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 16:34:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.90]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 183A716B4A6 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 11:34:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 11:34:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 11:34:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.6dollardialup.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: What dialup modem WILL work with 8.x and uart? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 16:34:44 -0000 Okay, I'm back. I sprang for Gentoo and Fedora 15 distribution discs, and now I seem to have a nice, but expensive, set of coasters because apparently all of Linux has gone tiny console fonts at something like 170x48 resolution (and really are turning themselves into Gnome machines that totally neglect command line applications). Since I am in unices for the command line applications I don't have much choice. But I still don't want to be stranded in an orphaned version when 7.x reaches the end of its life. Since uart in 8.x will not support my PCI 3com hardware modem (as FreeBSD sio has since 4.x) and my PR is gathering dust, before I buy any more coaster sets from osdisc.com, it behooves to ask if there are any dialup modems that 8.x uart actually supports for ppp on demand? -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 20:07:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 523321065670 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:07:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc@nyx.user-mode.org) Received: from nyx.user-mode.org (nyx.user-mode.org [81.169.165.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FC058FC1A for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:07:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nyx.user-mode.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by nyx.user-mode.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D603242C016; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:07:30 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:07:29 +0200 From: Christian Barthel To: Jorge Biquez Message-ID: <20110821200728.GA8093@nyx.user-mode.org> References: <3396736345-1119661735@intranet.com.mx> <8D1916B6-889F-4ECB-8455-17FE27F52684@d3photography.com> <3396744913-1119661742@intranet.com.mx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3396744913-1119661742@intranet.com.mx> X-PGP-Key: "http://bc.user-mode.org/barthelc.asc" X-OS: GNU/Linux User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:07:32 -0000 On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:13:32PM -0500, Jorge Biquez wrote: > Hello. > > ;=) Thanks for the comments.. :=) > > > No, I am curious what they decided to use that covers all the points , at > least better that FreeBSD. > > Seriously I would like to see or hear about the comparison chart between > all OSs. And a question arrive to my mind... if for some reason, I know > it is impossible, but if for some reason FreeBSD would stop existing... > serious users of FreeBSD, what would be your next OS? Why? > > Take care all I would/use NetBSD and OpenBSD beside FreeBSD. If NetBSD or OpenBSD would stop existing, I would never upgrade my systems :) Fortunately, I have no doubts about existing of BSDs... > > JB > > At 09:09 p.m. 20/08/2011, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> I use FreeBSD 9, 8.2 and 8.1. >> >> OS X 10.7 (Lion) >> >> Windows 7 Professional (64-bit), Windows Vista Ultimate (64-bit) and >> Windows XP Professional (32-bit). >> >> iOS 4, Blackberry 6 and Android 2.2.2. >> >> Oh, you weren't asking me. Sorry. :-p >> >> On Aug 20, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Jorge Biquez wrote: >> >> > Hello. >> > >> > I insist.... Can we know what was the OS you all decided to use ? >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Jorge Biquez >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Christian Barthel Public-Key: http://bc.user-mode.org/bc.asc Mail: bc@nyx.user-mode.org Web: http://bc.user-mode.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 20:18:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3292C106566C for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:18:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04EFE8FC0C for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:18:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so17628037iye.17 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 13:18:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.28.206 with SMTP id n14mr3482937ibc.13.1313957930199; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 13:18:50 -0700 (PDT) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.231.20.70 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 13:18:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 16:18:50 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: mrgCk0dFbgOEbIN2jN61lnhAM-o Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: Evan Busch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:18:51 -0000 On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Evan Busch wrote: > Hi, > Hi Evan, I think your post should spark a reality check for many here but I come from the Linux world and I must say that at least in all tthe techincal aspects my experience has been completely different, so I have to disagree with the vast majority, albeit not all, of your points which I will answer below one by one. [...] > Over the past few years, FreeBSD has drifted off-course in this > department, in his view. > Disagree. I've worked with FreeBSD since 6.2 and it's only been getting better and better. FreeBSD is getting faster and better whilst Linux really seems to have drifted from direction like you say. We use Linux and MacOSX for development and FreeBSD on our servers. We have made tests with Multi-threaded Apache on Linux 2.6.30 versus FreeBSD 7.x and 8.x and the FreeBSD virtual memory manager puts Linux' to shame every single time. The truth is that when you push Linux to near exhaustion of it's swap it will never return to normal, you will most surely need to reboot it, yet FreeBSD come back to normal after each peak load. Your could of course, get your hand dirty and tweak each of the OS's vm to your specific application, but like you very say, I don't have time for that and in some areas I just want my OS to work in it's vanilla flavor. > Let me share the points he made that I consider valid (I have deleted > two as trivial, and added one of my own): > > (1) Lack of direction. > > FreeBSD is still not sure whether it is a desktop OS, or a server OS. > It is easy for the developers to say "well, it's whatever you want," > but this makes the configuration process more involved. This works > against people who have to use these operating systems to get anything > done. > I don't think there is any doubt that FreeBSD as such is more a server-oriented OS that can be configured as a high-end Workstation. PC-BSD on the other hand is aiming more for the Laptop and Workstation user whilst maintaining it's FBSD core intact. > In his view, a crucial metric here is the ability to estimate time > required for any task. It may be a wide window, but it should not be > as wide as "anywhere from 30 minutes to 96 hours." In his experience, > FreeBSD varies widely on this front because in the name of keeping > options open, standardization of interface and process has been > deprecated. > We haven't experienced this ever. Both with Linux and FreeBSD you will experience this depending mainly on hardware support. It's got nothing to do with the OS but with the fact that HW manufacturers don't support Open Source simply because they hardware is getting cheaper every day being replaced by software that eats up the central CPU. You comment above sound like the rants that Windoze users took on LInux back in the nineties. > (2) Geek culture. > > Geek culture is the oldest clique on the internet. Their goal is to > make friends with no one who is not like them. As a result, they > specialize in the arcane, disorganized and ambiguous. This forces > people to go through the same hoops they went through. This makes them > happy, and drives away people who need to use operating systems to > achieve real-world results. They reduce a community to hobbyists only. > Honestly I don't understand where you are getting this from. I don't seem to have experienced anything like what you are describing. On the contrary, I find FreeBSD to very organized and well maintained. > (3) Horrible documentation. > > This is my specialty and has been since the early 1980s. The FreeBSD > documentation is wordy, disorganized, inconsistent and highly > selective in what it mentions. It is not the product of professionals > but it also not the product of volunteers with a focus on > communication. It seems pro-forma, as in, "it's in the documentation, > so don't bother me." The web site compounds this error by pointing us > in multiple directions instead of to a singular resource. It is bad > enough that man pages are separate from your main documentation tree, > but now you have doubled or trebled the workload required of you > without any benefit to the end user. > Again, are you speaking from personal experience or are you posting the points of view of someone else? This is so funny because I loved FreeBSD from the start precisely because it had a one and only handbook, not like Linux where every distro does whatever the hell they want with their docs. I learned how to use FreeBSD from the on-line Handbook and the asking specific questions on the list. Sometimes they go unanswered, true, but many other times they are in archives. Also, the way that Linux distros change the original projects and configuration files layout is really anoying to me. FreeBSD stays aligned with the original project and lays out the installation and configuration structure that is faithful to the original project. Many times it's even easier to find answers in the original packages mainly because the way the are set-up in FreeBSd is similar (many times identical) to they way they would be set-up if you installed these packages from source. And of course, if you use FreeBSD you probably use the ports system and try to install everything from source anyway. > (4) Elitism. > > To a developer, looking at some inconsistent or buggy interface and > thinking, "If they can't do this, they don't belong using FreeBSD > anyway" is too easy of a thought. Yet it looks to me like this happens > quite a bit, and "this is for the elite" has become the default > orientation. This is problematic in that there are people out there > who are every bit as smart as you, or smarter, but are not specialized > in computers. They want to use computers to achieve results; you may > want to play around with your computer as an activity, but that is not > so for everyone. > I don't want to be insulting, but honestly I think this is a load of crap. There is elitism in both Linux and FreeBSD and as you say all over the Internet. That is a fact of hacking and you have to live with it. I also share time in the Perl community and many others and they are just the same or worse. mainly intolerant to the lazy. We are all volunteers here and we usually try to help those that have first helped themselves. Using open Source is not for the faint of heart, and it's a fact for all Open Source, not specific to FreeBSD. > (5) Hostile community. > > For the last several weeks, I have been observing the FreeBSD > community. Two things stand out: many legitimate questions go ignored, > and for others, response is hostile resulting in either incorrect > answers, haughty snubs, and in many cases, a refusal to admit when the Yes. I agree with you here, and I could rant out quite a bit on some 'attitude' problem at least on this list, but again, I've seen this everywhere so I don't get personally affected by it. Furthermore, since I don't feel I have contributed enough to this project I don't think I'm in a position to criticize other folks that have been here longer and that contribute more than I do. I believe that one has to gain that right, and again, the Open Source culture so it's not a FreeBSD-only problem like you are trying to convey. > problem is FreeBSD and not the user. In particular, the community is > oblivious to interfaces and chunks of code that have illogical or > inconsistent interfaces, are buggy, or whose function does not > correspond to what is documented (even in the manpages). > I think you should point to some examples here or lose credibility. It could very well be the case, and since you are saying this you must also have many good and obvious examples, which I personally haven't seen. > (6) Selective fixes. > > I am guilty of this too, sometimes, but when you hope to build an > operating system, it is a poor idea. Programmers work on what they > want to work on. This leaves much of the unexciting stuff in a literal > non-working state, and the entire community oblivious to it or > uncaring. As Ron detailed, huge parts of FreeBSD are like buried land > mines just waiting to detonate. They are details that can invoke that > 30 minute to 96 hour time period instantly, usually right before you > need to get something done. > Man, where are you getting all this? I've used FreeBSD for several years now. i have been able to major upgrades (6 to 7 to 8) something that I have NEVER been able to do with ANY Linux. Again I think if you are to state these claims you should really be more specific. > (7) Disorganized website. > > The part of the FreeBSD project that should set the tone for the > community, the FreeBSD website, reflects every one of these > criticisms. It is inconsistent and often disorganized; there is no > clear path; resources are duplicated and squirreled away instead of > organized and made into a process for others to follow. It is arcane, > nuanced and cryptic for the purpose of keeping the community elitist, > hobbyist and hostile to outsiders. > Again, what are you talking about? I feel that you switch from a real concerned and serious person to troll-like in several parts of your post. Maybe it's because you are stating the biased opinions of someone else, or simply because it's just a collection of unfounded rants you collected from a frustrated development team? > In addition, huge portions of it break on a regular basis and seem to > go unnoticed. The attitude of "that's for beginners, so we don't need > it" persists even there. With the graphic design of the website I have > no problem, but the arrangement of resources on it reflects a lack of > presence of mind, or paying attention to the user experience. > What breaks? Where? > > All of this adds up to a quality operating system in theory that does > not translate into quality in reality. > By this part of your post I think you boss simply doesn't like FreeBSD period. You don't have to come here and make up all this stuff just to justify that. Heck I may have my problems with several people here, but that doesn't make go ranting out about FreeBSd as a whole, not even about the specific individuals one may have problems with. In all honest truth this whole post is begging to show signs of a wimpy attitude, probably not yours since you obviously had the balls to post it here, but maybe from you boss who perhaps got some RTFM or STWF and then left whining against the poor Beastie. > You alienate users and place the burden upon them to sort through your > mess, then sneer at them. > You give me an example of this claim, and a few weeks on this won't cut it. I think you best go to the archives and get a feel for a general tone of this list. I personally told some college student a few weeks ago to go do his homework and it cost me a discussion with a couple of members here, and I will do it again. FreeBSD's list is IMHO much more tolerant than _many_ other places I share my time in. In fact, every time there is a newbie on the radar they get overwhelming responses. The fact, that I had an altercation with a couple of people doesn't mean that it's an overall problem. In fact, given enough time, these altercations actually produce strong bonds between members because they respect each other. > You alienate business, professional and artistic users with your > insistence on hobbyism. These people have full lives; 48 hour sessions > of trying to configure audio drivers, network cards or drive arrays > are not in their interest. > I think that these comments are fallacious and bad intended. This is NOTHING like the FBSD community I've worked with for several years. And I work with both Spanish and English-speaking FBSD communities. > Even when you get big parts of the operating system correct, it's the > thousand little details that have been forgotten, ignored or snootily > written off that add up to many hours of frustration for the end user. > This is not necessary frustration, and they get nothing out of it. It > seems to exist because of the emotional and social attitudes of the > FreeBSD team. > Please, you must post clear examples of this. because it's hard for me to understand these claims. What are these thousand of little details and where and how do they manifest themselves? > > Sadly, Ron is right. FreeBSD is not right for us, or any others who > care about using an operating system as a means to an end. FreeBSD is > a hobby and you have to use it because you like using it for the > purpose of using it, and anything else will be incidental. > You don't strike me like the type who would suck up to their bosses, but towards the end of your post I have my doubts. I think it's time that Ron posts directly and trade some facts about all these claims. Preferably one post per fact at a time like Netiquette indicates. In other words, post a question, which is after all what this list is for. One question, one subject, one e-mail, so people that have different interests can answer accordingly. > That is the condition of FreeBSD now. If these criticisms were taken > seriously, I believe the situation could change, and I hope it does. > These are not criticisms but rather seems like a FUD/rant. Please post one question, one topic per email and I promise to answer each one. Best, -- Alejandro imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 20:24:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CEB5106567A for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:24:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0800A8FC08 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:24:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7LKOUMY061436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:24:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p7LKOUMY061436 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1313958270; bh=BuUXBJugVisHdkXnHoRiaO8xcoE1NFcxiYMblW0Z1vc=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4E516976.9060506@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20S un,=2021=20Aug=202011=2021:24:22=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20rv:6.0)=20Gecko/201 10812=20Thunderbird/6.0|MIME-Version:=201.0|To:=20Jorge=20Biquez=2 0|CC:=20"'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" =20|Subject:=20Re:=20A=20quality=20 operating=20system|References:=20<3396736345-1119661735@intranet.c om.mx>=20<8D1916B6-889F-4ECB-8455-17FE27F52684@d3photography.com>= 20<3396744913-1119661742@intranet.com.mx>|In-Reply-To:=20<33967449 13-1119661742@intranet.com.mx>|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.3|OpenPGP:= 20id=3D60AE908C|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp -sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=2 0boundary=3D"------------enigB8F42E501BC9EF9D39DEEA65"; b=VNg3xtlPLD5GUi4Bht4hoza47z486rzw2kkhdAGbDefFHim2Yvq+2fQ01MTisKWbx vf3CzO4WB2Ro2TIOLy18RxX7gx1Ib/yKXkt3bGwjP5EQxJfh32dPyAMUZyBz/669ja EMxGF4K/XQyi1CRZgmA4R+WkiOriFWCIyHd6JZIs= Message-ID: <4E516976.9060506@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:24:22 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jorge Biquez References: <3396736345-1119661735@intranet.com.mx> <8D1916B6-889F-4ECB-8455-17FE27F52684@d3photography.com> <3396744913-1119661742@intranet.com.mx> In-Reply-To: <3396744913-1119661742@intranet.com.mx> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigB8F42E501BC9EF9D39DEEA65" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.2 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:24:34 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigB8F42E501BC9EF9D39DEEA65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 21/08/2011 05:13, Jorge Biquez wrote: > if for some reason, I know it is impossible, but if for some reason > FreeBSD would stop existing... serious users of FreeBSD, what would be > your next OS? If the FreeBSD project disbanded (for some unimaginable reason), then I guess I'd have to choose an OS based on one of the forks of FreeBSD code base that would undoubtedly be created as a reaction to that. About the only thing that could conceivably cause FreeBSD to disband would be some sort of deep schism and internecine conflict within the developer community. Even so, the usual course is for one of the schismatic groups to leave in a huff and start their own project, leaving the rump of the original to lick its wounds and carry on. Any damage is generally only a temporary thing: eventually it makes the whole community stronger due to cross fertilization between the various different branches. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigB8F42E501BC9EF9D39DEEA65 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5RaX0ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzhWACeJ6n4guDWmdL4IYNwHMGw4/rA GZ4An1bdg/ytICo/xnEDlbu6oyKT8Qoo =xGxz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigB8F42E501BC9EF9D39DEEA65-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 21:25:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54D3106564A for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:25:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc4-s13.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s13.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.152]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5848FC12 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:25:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP202 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s13.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:13:00 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [174.109.142.1] X-Originating-Email: [carmel_ny@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ([174.109.142.1]) by BLU0-SMTP202.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:12:58 -0700 Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3RhrN940NRz2CG4d for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 17:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 17:12:56 -0400 From: Carmel To: FreeBSD Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2011 21:12:58.0453 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A25C850:01CC6047] Subject: Firefox consistently inconsistent in the playing of videos X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:25:07 -0000 I am trying to figure out why some video files play fine while others simply do not work at all. This would be the latest example: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-11-2011/lactate-intolerance It works fine on a Windows machine with IE (no surprise there); however, using Firefox 6.0 on FreeBSD-8.2 it simply will not work. Some other videos from the same site do work correctly though. This phenomena has happened to me several times on several different sites. I have contacted a few sites to see if I could get some assistance. I was informed by the few who bothered to reply that they test their material against IE and Firefox run under Windows. One responder informed me that testing against non-windows architecture was not a viable option due to the extreme fragmentation of the non-windows community. Anyway, I was hoping that perhaps someone might have a working solution for this predicament. -- Carmel ✌ carmel_ny@hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 21:31:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F876106566B for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:31:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017268FC1A for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:31:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxe4 with SMTP id 4so3925434fxe.13 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:31:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ad22MQKct7U+1TJdPKrHSwO+B33uNYm+J0nPELgWkCo=; b=unDKApSxOjp6pzIY9Ic1YQ3D8k6xtPCsG0XmqgN51TLlEcVB5oAPw3LWWqCh9i+8pl xDc5cImTZWz8P8SS9rvmc/ls0VVf+npZdMUcpTe1gaM8kHjNQMHvozhGzeLtMko+/0Te xAfIx3UTAZH+ZBKhldF6n8pD+V+UMsgtGa7TU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.39.216 with SMTP id h24mr2562301fae.31.1313962301652; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.120.72 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:31:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 16:31:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Firefox consistently inconsistent in the playing of videos X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:31:43 -0000 On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Carmel wrote: > I am trying to figure out why some video files play fine while others > simply do not work at all. This would be the latest example: > > http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-11-2011/lactate-intolerance > Video plays perfectly for me on recent STABLE, firefox and flash. Someone else was mentioning a similar situation on emulation@ or @current perhaps? It wasn't that long ago, and every reply was "works for me". You can see if the OP from that message was able to resolve the issue. I have noticed flash has been a bit more unstable lately especially on youtube after a period of time where it was relatively error free. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 21:46:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FFD1065670 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:46:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwinlculp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51018FC1B for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:46:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkat8 with SMTP id t8so4425659bka.13 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:46:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=G48KAq+VGQ/ocntl9A0qzDYCjI4aRb1ZO7I3Kq1ot+c=; b=lOU5EhnrnnZhI3MAtduNZUjcYGReatJ8Soo7fsz0KmGgcNeFhoGqko2JVH0KGfuzK2 6tT4GMsvt0s7o/W78EWoj+MWsIa/vVtad1VLkuYgBfUuHq8FJHrlIe8qwXccGLMMy5pT p1VVqPXhSf7vJUw1jH1jZ4IR/Vi6h8Sh/Gz78= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.138.78 with SMTP id z14mr609489bkt.232.1313963198847; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.176.143 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:46:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 16:46:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Edwin L. Culp W." To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Firefox consistently inconsistent in the playing of videos X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:46:41 -0000 On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Carmel wrote: > I am trying to figure out why some video files play fine while others > simply do not work at all. This would be the latest example: > > http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-11-2011/lactate-intolerance > I'm running FreeBSD 9.0-BETA1 #22: Sun Aug 21 05:16:20 CDT 2011 with 512 Aug 18 07:39 amd64 and /var/db/pkg/firefox-6.0,1 and this plays perfectly. Maybe the difference between 8.0 and 9. So this probably doesn't help much. I've got a 7.4-STABLE i386 at the office that I will install it on and test it tomorrow. It is running 5 now. I would probably use csup and then portmaster to update my ports and friends, just to try and keep these things in order. sorry, ed > It works fine on a Windows machine with IE (no surprise there); > however, using Firefox 6.0 on FreeBSD-8.2 it simply will not work. Some > other videos from the same site do work correctly though. > > This phenomena has happened to me several times on several different > sites. I have contacted a few sites to see if I could get some > assistance. I was informed by the few who bothered to reply that they > test their material against IE and Firefox run under Windows. One > responder informed me that testing against non-windows architecture was > not a viable option due to the extreme fragmentation of the > non-windows community. > > Anyway, I was hoping that perhaps someone might have a working solution > for this predicament. > > -- > Carmel =E2=9C=8C > carmel_ny@hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 22:41:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C2D01065670 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:41:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net (eastrmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.215]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA868FC13 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:41:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20110821224142.IHBL3924.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net>; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:41:42 -0400 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.83.25]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id PAhh1h0030YnB6A02AhhyF; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:41:42 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020A.4E5189A6.000C,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=mwl0/2xM3ubHJTXa6l4kGPt5l4r2ytuQtfJUKIGJKFg= c=1 sm=1 a=M0ZtXng-QCQA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=2vO5UZG1h46htWAnE/rx2g==:17 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=33IKARFEAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=mnhMo-JWRkj6u3XoGrEA:9 a=yQ79GbFwnsFncDBBt-8A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=2vO5UZG1h46htWAnE/rx2g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7LMfeMx048668; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 17:41:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 17:41:34 -0500 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110821174134.04d1a642@cox.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: carmel_ny@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Firefox consistently inconsistent in the playing of videos X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:41:49 -0000 On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 17:12:56 -0400 Carmel wrote: > I am trying to figure out why some video files play fine while others > simply do not work at all. This would be the latest example: > > http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-11-2011/lactate-intolerance > > It works fine on a Windows machine with IE (no surprise there); > however, using Firefox 6.0 on FreeBSD-8.2 it simply will not work. > Some other videos from the same site do work correctly though. > > This phenomena has happened to me several times on several different > sites. I have contacted a few sites to see if I could get some > assistance. I was informed by the few who bothered to reply that they > test their material against IE and Firefox run under Windows. One > responder informed me that testing against non-windows architecture > was not a viable option due to the extreme fragmentation of the > non-windows community. > > Anyway, I was hoping that perhaps someone might have a working > solution for this predicament. As to be expected, you're not likely to get much help from any particular site you're having problems with. Get used to it. :-) Which video driver are you using? And how do you normally install your software packages, via ports or packages? There was a mention in one of the lists about making sure to set the WITHOUT_NOUVEAU=yes option in /etc/make.conf before building and installing xorg. You may want to try that. I was having problems with flash here myself, took this advice and rebuilt my entire xorg installation. It's working much, much better now. Lockups and other annoying glitches have pretty much gone away altogether, and every site I visit works just fine now. The site you gave above works fine for me, by the way, under 9.0-BETA1 for amd64 with the linux flashplugin (wrapped, of course, with nspluginwrapper). Hope this helps. If you need any further assistance, let me know. -- Conrad J. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:41:51 -0000 On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:38:27 -0700 Yuri wrote: > Someone told me that ZFS is a memory hog and it should be avoided as > such. Is this true? I wonder if this might be a mix-up between virtual and physical memory. It's use of address space can be prohibitive on i386. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 01:16:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEFB41065670 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 01:16:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1618FC16 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 01:16:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7M1GG1Q096518 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 19:16:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p7M1GGRT096515 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 19:16:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 19:16:16 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 21 Aug 2011 19:16:16 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Firefox consistently inconsistent in the playing of videos X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 01:16:17 -0000 On Sun, 21 Aug 2011, Carmel wrote: > I am trying to figure out why some video files play fine while others > simply do not work at all. This would be the latest example: > > http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-11-2011/lactate-intolerance Works here on 8.2-stable i386, Firefox 6. Remember to remove and install or update with nspluginwrapper after a new Flash version comes out. flashblock.mozdev.org might help, as it lets you only run the Flash instances you want. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 01:43:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B509A106564A for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 01:43:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rrborg-list@thelebowski.com) Received: from mail.thelebowski.com (mail.thelebowski.com [174.136.106.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B70C8FC0C for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 01:43:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.thelebowski.com (mail.thelebowski.com [174.136.106.3]) by mail.thelebowski.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09409E0DFF for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:28:05 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: mail.thelebowski.com; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.i=@thelebowski.com header.b=drPGjnfi; dkim-adsp=pass Received: by mail.thelebowski.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id CBC1CE0DE3; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:28:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=thelebowski.com; s=dkim2010; t=1313976484; bh=1A2XtM4jkzbaTtMzcNJy9yJUUDg2kVKULfeNxWL+18s=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=drPGjnfipvJ9j5yJN/QtCJ1XRO1Vu7Eboij8fHMYDa2FAeTmt3JLmgrDmsHB25LhR rA4TrjrDkUlB1iCcR6JGl3QTT9zZoeJ2TyNgi4bleQafsdRx2puonTXEWjBWxrypw7 kosII6oL8baJdzlj4FEtKOQEw8sYyCQfnAXHxfOM= X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.thelebowski.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Received: from [192.168.1.141] (c-98-238-252-167.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [98.238.252.167]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.thelebowski.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3C334E0DFE for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:28:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=thelebowski.com; s=dkim2010; t=1313976483; bh=1A2XtM4jkzbaTtMzcNJy9yJUUDg2kVKULfeNxWL+18s=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Isl6eslFpWAobCyjAmAdwjM/+okq3FzLlEiPVVSCdPRAkjE2Cviuxpabday9R5T4b P7uaWyVdYOzzYeYcVJKqq9x9abfSrXpjwhq5ITf+tkCm8vRn2Z2TimvLbIorsYMsRv hix/h1oOMUd7EiOUWh/drP1F4fYrTCHJFso1OlmI= Message-ID: <4E51B09C.9000302@thelebowski.com> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:27:56 -0700 From: Rocky Borg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Ezjail & freebsd-update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 01:43:26 -0000 I had an opportunity to upgrade a server from freebsd 8.1 to 8.2 since it had to be restarted any way. I upgraded it with freebsd-update and compiled a custom kernel with no problem. However I haven't been able to find a procedure for updating jails when they've been setup with ezjail. I did 'ezjail-admin update -u' however it doesn't seem like that upgraded things like the /etc/ dir inside jails. I'm not too worried since everything is working however if anyone can point me in the right direction I would appreciate it. I figure this will be especially important when moving to 9.0 when it's released. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 05:30:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1B8106564A for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 05:30:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mgilmour@parklogic.com) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 481718FC0A for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 05:30:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QvMnZ-0001Pc-Lj for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:11:45 -0700 Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:11:45 -0700 (PDT) From: parklogic To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1313989905663-4722187.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <4C727386.6090802@bah.homeip.net> References: <4C6FF25D.1090304@stillbilde.net> <20100821234850.00003f9a@unknown> <4C727386.6090802@bah.homeip.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Parklogic making a mess X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 05:30:16 -0000 Bernt Hansson wrote: > > 2010-08-22 00:48, Bruce Cran skrev: >> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:35:57 +0200 >> Svein Skogen<svein@stillbilde.net> wrote: >> >>> Anybody else seem to get these header-falsified messages lately: >> >> I think anyone who posts to freebsd-questions is probably getting them. > > I haven't seen them, and haven't looked for them. > >> I contacted parklogic and got a response telling me I could use an >> anti-spam product to avoid getting it. Not quite the response I had >> hoped for! > > Ok. Then parklogic is permanetly blacklisted here. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hi all, I know that this is an old thread but I only just discovered it. I'm the founder of ParkLogic and it would appear that we created some issues with replying back to email to to the 500K domains that we manage for our clients. I would first of all like to apologise.....apparently we were creating a vicious loop with different mailing systems where we would reply back to a message that would then be sent to the mailing list etc.... We've now outsourced our mailing and I wanted to make sure that there were no mishaps in the administrator community. Also, for the person that contacted us.....not sure who you spoke to as getting a SPAM filter is the LAST response we would give. This was particularly for the situation where we were running a test system. Please don't hesitate to contact me with any questions. Regards, -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Parklogic-making-a-mess-tp3758946p4722187.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. 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Belgium BE0859635972. abuse-en@netlog.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 08:42:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD56106566C for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:42:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 535938FC1C for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20110822084209.MOGU32702.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net>; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 04:42:09 -0400 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.83.25]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id PLi91h0020YnB6A02Li9JQ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 04:42:09 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.4E521661.009A,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=aUFDW8FZeteuO/fxyvToEy2C7OWB/cKxsZjvUqUod7E= c=1 sm=1 a=RKbOXP05iuAA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=2vO5UZG1h46htWAnE/rx2g==:17 a=gEeKAoVWAAAA:8 a=VwRYlZaZAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=c8MoMJAS36tBx0nBOxQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Qgp-CUiAgDsA:10 a=9yGP9WHNRPgA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=2vO5UZG1h46htWAnE/rx2g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7M8g8jX004706; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 03:42:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 03:42:03 -0500 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: Lars Eighner Message-ID: <20110822034203.3dd9e29e@cox.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What dialup modem WILL work with 8.x and uart? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:42:15 -0000 On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 11:34:22 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner wrote: > > Since uart in 8.x will not support my PCI 3com hardware modem (as > FreeBSD sio has since 4.x) and my PR is gathering dust, before I buy > any more coaster sets from osdisc.com, it behooves to ask if there > are any dialup modems that 8.x uart actually supports for ppp on > demand? Do you have a serial port on your machine? If so, why not go with an external modem? Always worked for me, back in the day. :-) -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 08:49:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624D7106566C for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:49:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E6C28FC0A for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so4925777vws.13 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 01:49:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.27.3 with SMTP id p3mr2002535vdg.224.1314002973378; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 01:49:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.154.73 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 01:49:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.174.27] In-Reply-To: <4E516976.9060506@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <3396736345-1119661735@intranet.com.mx> <8D1916B6-889F-4ECB-8455-17FE27F52684@d3photography.com> <3396744913-1119661742@intranet.com.mx> <4E516976.9060506@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 10:49:33 +0200 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: Matthew Seaman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:49:34 -0000 On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 21/08/2011 05:13, Jorge Biquez wrote: >> if for some reason, I know it is impossible, but if for some reason >> FreeBSD would stop existing... serious users of FreeBSD, what would be >> your next OS? > > If the FreeBSD project disbanded (for some unimaginable reason), then I > guess I'd have to choose an OS based on one of the forks of FreeBSD code > base that would undoubtedly be created as a reaction to that. > > About the only thing that could conceivably cause FreeBSD to disband > would be some sort of deep schism and internecine conflict within the > developer community. =A0Even so, the usual course is for one of the > schismatic groups to leave in a huff and start their own project, > leaving the rump of the original to lick its wounds and carry on. We've survived the biggest schism so far: the dropping of Beastie as the default image in /boot/loader.conf and the introduction of the sex toy logo. Since the community could survive this dual tragedy, I'm optimistic it'll survive almost ANYTHING. :-) -cpghost. --=20 Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 10:18:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80467106566C for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 10:18:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58DE88FC16 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 10:18:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.97]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EB9B116B4C9; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 05:18:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 05:18:19 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 05:18:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.6dollardialup.com To: "Conrad J. Sabatier" In-Reply-To: <20110822034203.3dd9e29e@cox.net> Message-ID: References: <20110822034203.3dd9e29e@cox.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What dialup modem WILL work with 8.x and uart? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 10:18:39 -0000 On Mon, 22 Aug 2011, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 11:34:22 -0500 (CDT) > Lars Eighner wrote: >> >> Since uart in 8.x will not support my PCI 3com hardware modem (as >> FreeBSD sio has since 4.x) and my PR is gathering dust, before I buy >> any more coaster sets from osdisc.com, it behooves to ask if there >> are any dialup modems that 8.x uart actually supports for ppp on >> demand? > > Do you have a serial port on your machine? If so, why not go with an > external modem? Always worked for me, back in the day. :-) And my internal hardware modem worked for me when there was a serial driver, namely sio. It won't work with 8.x and uart, so there is no reason to think that things that used to work with sio will work with uart. That's my question: what dialup modem is KNOWN to work with uart on 8.x? -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 11:19:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0121065670 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:19:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D528D8FC0C for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:19:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so2504135ewy.13 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 04:19:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=p8UAlwRe2NHFdabxNkOyH507tsZP0u5XoNNlz5YT9Ac=; b=jIv2wD/3633OIzWJxlwc42fcO9WQXd0Wb30FBn+F8D8dE9bqoawEURX/s1R3aCBENO XbXb4lshjJlw+3XSLh8Q5YfPaNyDwZ5iXSnVvh/Hol1oJ2KwShEQP1u8HWapREbPv50z RgVjIdeCjBPNPC1ne2o6NDrry2I6A4Z46IvU0= Received: by 10.213.28.84 with SMTP id l20mr511883ebc.139.1314011981601; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 04:19:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.15.131 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 04:19:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20110822034203.3dd9e29e@cox.net> From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 14:19:01 +0300 Message-ID: To: Lars Eighner Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=000e0cd1e2f664db8404ab1641d1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "Conrad J. Sabatier" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What dialup modem WILL work with 8.x and uart? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:19:44 -0000 --000e0cd1e2f664db8404ab1641d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 13:18, Lars Eighner wrote: > On Mon, 22 Aug 2011, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > > On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 11:34:22 -0500 (CDT) >> Lars Eighner wrote: >> >>> >>> Since uart in 8.x will not support my PCI 3com hardware modem (as >>> FreeBSD sio has since 4.x) and my PR is gathering dust, before I buy >>> any more coaster sets from osdisc.com, it behooves to ask if there >>> are any dialup modems that 8.x uart actually supports for ppp on >>> demand? >>> >> >> Do you have a serial port on your machine? If so, why not go with an >> external modem? Always worked for me, back in the day. :-) >> > > And my internal hardware modem worked for me when there was a serial > driver, > namely sio. It won't work with 8.x and uart, so there is no reason to > think > that things that used to work with sio will work with uart. > > That's my question: what dialup modem is KNOWN to work with uart on 8.x? > > This is a very legit question. Perhaps documentation for 8.x needs to be updated by those in the know. I live in some 3rd world country (BTW, how does one become 1st world?) and the use of modems of any kind seems to have died away with the advent of GSM networks and 3G/WCDMA. I was almost going out yelling that modems (internal/external/USB) are becoming obsolete. How wrong I was!! BTW, Lars, which country do you live in? Still no 3G there?? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email. --000e0cd1e2f664db8404ab1641d1-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 12:54:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C3A1065670 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from schulra@earlham.edu) Received: from chkenon.earlham.edu (chkenon.earlham.edu [159.28.1.87]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1C18FC0C for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:54:44 +0000 (UTC) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1314016688-037b9f0d912234e0001-jLrpzn Received: from tdream.lly.earlham.edu (tdream.lly.earlham.edu [159.28.7.241]) by chkenon.earlham.edu with ESMTP id 2Q6fF8zOkUCWdGLb; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:38:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: schulra@earlham.edu X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 159.28.7.241 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:38:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Randy Schultz X-X-Sender: schulra@tdream.lly.earlham.edu To: Rocky Borg In-Reply-To: <4E51B09C.9000302@thelebowski.com> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: Ezjail & freebsd-update Message-ID: References: <4E51B09C.9000302@thelebowski.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Barracuda-Connect: tdream.lly.earlham.edu[159.28.7.241] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1314016688 X-Barracuda-URL: http://159.28.1.87:8000/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at earlham.edu X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=1000.0 tests= X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.2.72499 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ezjail & freebsd-update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:54:45 -0000 On Sun, 21 Aug 2011, Rocky Borg spaketh thusly: -}I had an opportunity to upgrade a server from freebsd 8.1 to 8.2 since it had -}to be restarted any way. I upgraded it with freebsd-update and compiled a -}custom kernel with no problem. However I haven't been able to find a procedure -}for updating jails when they've been setup with ezjail. I did 'ezjail-admin -}update -u' however it doesn't seem like that upgraded things like the /etc/ -}dir inside jails. I'm not too worried since everything is working however if -}anyone can point me in the right direction I would appreciate it. I figure -}this will be especially important when moving to 9.0 when it's released. My understanding of ezjail is you just say "ezjail-admin update". Ezjail then grabs the sources and rebuilds everything. If you already have everything built locally, e.g. you csup'd the sources, did the make buildworld, etc., you can then just issue an "ezjail-admin update -i". I'm not familiar with the "-u" option to ezjail and my man pages do not show it as an option. ;> -- Randy (schulra@earlham.edu) 765.983.1283 <*> nosce te ipsum From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 13:35:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C0C106566B for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:35:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaspars@bankovskis.lv) Received: from mail.kei.lv (mail.kei.lv [85.31.99.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317458FC15 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:35:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from numeri.kei.local (lvfw.delfi.lv [62.85.29.84]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.kei.lv (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7MDEBqx086186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 22 Aug 2011 16:14:17 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kaspars@bankovskis.lv) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 16:14:02 +0300 From: Kaspars Bankovskis To: Rocky Borg Message-ID: <20110822131402.GA77845@numeri.kei.local> References: <4E51B09C.9000302@thelebowski.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E51B09C.9000302@thelebowski.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=3.0 tests=SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.kei.lv Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ezjail & freebsd-update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:35:11 -0000 Actually you don't have to rebuild the basejail. You may simply rerun "ezjail-admin install", which will fetch the binary files for your release (uname -r) and will apply them if needed. On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 06:27:56PM -0700, Rocky Borg wrote: > I had an opportunity to upgrade a server from freebsd 8.1 to 8.2 since > it had to be restarted any way. I upgraded it with freebsd-update and > compiled a custom kernel with no problem. However I haven't been able to > find a procedure for updating jails when they've been setup with ezjail. > I did 'ezjail-admin update -u' however it doesn't seem like that > upgraded things like the /etc/ dir inside jails. I'm not too worried > since everything is working however if anyone can point me in the right > direction I would appreciate it. I figure this will be especially > important when moving to 9.0 when it's released. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 13:45:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10CAC1065673 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:45:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118548FC14 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:45:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.magehandbook.com (mail.darkmindweb.com [192.168.1.100]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A43777 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 09:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 152.121.16.254 (SquirrelMail authenticated user daniel) by www.magehandbook.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 09:45:03 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <20110822034203.3dd9e29e@cox.net> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 09:45:03 -0400 From: "Daniel Staal" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: Re: First World (Was: What dialup modem WILL work with 8.x and uart?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:45:09 -0000 On Mon, August 22, 2011 7:19 am, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > I live in some 3rd world country (BTW, how does one become 1st world?) Back in the day, you'd have needed to join NATO... (2nd world, of course, required joining the Warsaw Pact.) These days, I subscribe to the 'soda theory'. At the lowest level of an economy, you can only buy one of Pepsi or Coke. A step up, and you will have a choice. The next step beyond that, you have a choice between Sprite and 7-Up. A first world economy will have multiple choices for any flavor of soda, including things like Root Beer, Grape, or Sport Drinks. In fact, you will have specialty sodas in most flavors, that are in limited distribution by area, but still in major market retailers. They will often be sold at prices near or above half an hour's wage (at minimum wage) for a single soda. (Vs. Coke or Pepsi, which are usually sold at half that or less.) ;) Daniel T. Staal (How is Kenya these days? I haven't been there in 10 years or so...) --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 16:25:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 496F6106566C for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 16:25:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2870E8FC15 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 16:25:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.99]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 02E7416B4B6; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:25:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:25:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:25:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.6dollardialup.com To: Odhiambo Washington In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20110822034203.3dd9e29e@cox.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Lars Eighner , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What dialup modem WILL work with 8.x and uart? 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I do not speak the language of the very greedy - it is a very strange language in which "unlimited" means "not really unlimited but only so much as we think you deserve." -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 16:38:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEE98106564A for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 16:38:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7008FC14 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 16:38:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so5350179vws.13 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 09:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.117.45 with SMTP id kb13mr2419709vdb.139.1314031082559; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 09:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.9] (ool-43529a81.dyn.optonline.net [67.82.154.129]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fc7sm2187835vdc.36.2011.08.22.09.38.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 22 Aug 2011 09:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E5285E0.3010002@xaerolimit.net> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:37:52 -0400 From: Chris Brennan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3 OpenPGP: id=D5B20C0C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig7B38440AE8EC7BA9792F0F1B" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: No Attachments Please X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 16:38:03 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig7B38440AE8EC7BA9792F0F1B Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050107000109040800010902" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050107000109040800010902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 8/22/2011 11:00 AM, Lyris ListManager wrote: >=20 > You sent an email to the Exchange list > with an attachment. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 19:15:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00DA1065674 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 19:15:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from emlpirnp0.waddell.com (emlpirnp0.waddell.com [67.130.252.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1808FC20 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 19:15:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emlpfilt4.waddell.com ([10.1.10.26]) by emlpirnp1.waddell.com with ESMTP; 22 Aug 2011 14:15:24 -0500 Received: from emlpfilt4.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id E1BE42F8003; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 14:15:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com (wadphtcas0.waddell.com [192.168.203.229]) by emlpfilt4.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0422F8002; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 14:15:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.213]) by WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com ([192.168.203.229]) with mapi; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 14:15:24 -0500 From: Gary Gatten To: 'Daniel Staal' , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 14:15:24 -0500 Thread-Topic: First World (Was: What dialup modem WILL work with 8.x and uart?) Thread-Index: Acxg0eaeNu9u6TKHQBiZJhzrkcwgqQALZmtA Message-ID: <21605_1314040524_4E52AACC_21605_206_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C803F8EE@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: <20110822034203.3dd9e29e@cox.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: RE: First World (Was: What dialup modem WILL work with 8.x and uart?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 19:15:26 -0000 Interesting analogy. Osama - er, I mean Obama could really use people like= you to explain things better to him, 'cause obviously he has NO idea what = his various and numerous Czars and advisors are saying. Or maybe they're a= ll barely functional and don't know any better.... Oh wait, this is a FBSD list... Ah, FBSD Rules! Long live FBSD! On Mon, August 22, 2011 7:19 am, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > I live in some 3rd world country (BTW, how does one become 1st world?) Back in the day, you'd have needed to join NATO... (2nd world, of course, required joining the Warsaw Pact.) These days, I subscribe to the 'soda theory'. At the lowest level of an economy, you can only buy one of Pepsi or Coke. A step up, and you will have a choice. The next step beyond that, you have a choice between Sprite and 7-Up. A first world economy will have multiple choices for any flavor of soda, including things like Root Beer, Grape, or Sport Drinks.=20 In fact, you will have specialty sodas in most flavors, that are in limited distribution by area, but still in major market retailers. They will often be sold at prices near or above half an hour's wage (at minimum wage) for a single soda. (Vs. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 21:02:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51AB1106566B for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:02:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2850C8FC1B for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:02:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so21438703iye.17 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 14:02:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.28.206 with SMTP id n14mr5930059ibc.13.1314046925260; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 14:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.231.36.70 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 14:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:02:05 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: NNa0bRQmhEcEvbOAmpwOLbuy7dI Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: ssh via NAT slow on _some_ connections only X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:02:06 -0000 Hi folks, This is *very* weird but it's consistent. Most of my servers run with jailed services and I access the jails directly with NAT to a private network where the jails run. Jails network are just aliases of lo0 liske so: lo0: flags=8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 options=3 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x4 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 inet 192.168.101.1 netmask 0xffffff00 inet 192.168.101.80 netmask 0xffffff00 inet 192.168.101.101 netmask 0xffffff00 [etc.] inet 192.168.101.123 netmask 0xffffff00 Then in natd.conf I have nats defined like so: redirect_port tcp 192.168.101.123:22 12322 At first _all_ my NATed ssh connections were slow until I added -tso to the main nic ifconfig. So this -tco switch is something that I've had to add to all my nics for NAT to work properly: em0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=209b Nevertheless, _some_ specific networks are still very slow with NATed ssh. So for example, I access the server from my home network and I can't even notice any difference between non-NAT and NATed connections. But we have one specific remote location where the NATed connections are really slow. It's not their network because if they first login to the base server (no NAT) and _then_ ssh to the private IP, then the performance is perfect. The issue is only when on the natted port. In other words: if they ssh -p 12322 like the example above it's painfully slow, but if they first ssh to the base server and then ssh to the private IP, the performance is great. This is the exact same performance issue we were getting before the -tco param, so maybe there are other flags that affect NAT performance? maybe on that location's router? Wouldn't this affect the normal ssh connections, why only the NAT ports have problems? I really want to avoid to replicate the users in the base system, so there must be something else that can be done to fix this. Again, -tco helped a lot but for these particular locations there is still some problem with the NATed connections we haven't been able to figure out. Anyone have any ideas on what could be going on here? Thanks, -- Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 22:15:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0829C106564A for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:15:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7EF8FC08 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:15:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p7MMG4Hm096325; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:16:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:16:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201108222216.p7MMG4Hm096325@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: luvbeasie@larseighner.com In-Reply-To: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What dialup modem WILL work with 8.x and uart? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:15:01 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 22 05:20:20 2011 > Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 05:18:18 -0500 (CDT) > From: Lars Eighner > To: "Conrad J. Sabatier" > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: What dialup modem WILL work with 8.x and uart? > > On Mon, 22 Aug 2011, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > > > On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 11:34:22 -0500 (CDT) > > Lars Eighner wrote: > >> > >> Since uart in 8.x will not support my PCI 3com hardware modem (as > >> FreeBSD sio has since 4.x) and my PR is gathering dust, before I buy > >> any more coaster sets from osdisc.com, it behooves to ask if there > >> are any dialup modems that 8.x uart actually supports for ppp on > >> demand? > > > > Do you have a serial port on your machine? If so, why not go with an > > external modem? Always worked for me, back in the day. :-) > > And my internal hardware modem worked for me when there was a serial driver, > namely sio. It won't work with 8.x and uart, so there is no reason to think > that things that used to work with sio will work with uart. 'uart' supports virtually _everything_ that 'sio' does -- plus an additonal chipset or two -- with precisely TWO exceptions. If it 'looks like' a standard serial port on the legacy ISA bus, and is based on the NS8250 through NS16550A, or a Zilog 'SCC', then uart works. The other alternative is a USB serial port. Even 'sio' support of "PCI serial ports" and/or modems was -very-limitid. precisely *two* models of cards -- The 3Com FaxModem PCI and the Advantec 56k Voice Messaging PCI FaxModem. Supporting serial controllers across a PCI bridge takes lots of work. and does *not* 'generalize' well. If I were in your situation, I'e look at a USB serial port and external RS-232 modem. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 22:23:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11012106566B for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:23:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (b4.ebbed1.client.atlantech.net [209.190.235.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3508FC0A for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:23:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.11] ([192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p7MMNg4n031211; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:23:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:23:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Hill To: Gary Gatten In-Reply-To: <21605_1314040524_4E52AACC_21605_206_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C803F8EE@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Message-ID: References: <20110822034203.3dd9e29e@cox.net> <21605_1314040524_4E52AACC_21605_206_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C803F8EE@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: 'Daniel Staal' , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: First World (Was: What dialup modem WILL work with 8.x and uart?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:23:44 -0000 On Mon, 22 Aug 2011, Gary Gatten wrote: > Interesting analogy. Osama - er, I mean Obama could really use people > like you to explain things better to him, 'cause obviously he has NO > idea what his various and numerous Czars and advisors are saying. Or > maybe they're all barely functional and don't know any better.... I'm sure the OP found that extremely helpful. Thanks for the trenchant incisiveness. Right on topic, too. > Oh wait, this is a FBSD list... Ah, FBSD Rules! Long live FBSD! Right. > > On Mon, August 22, 2011 7:19 am, Odhiambo Washington wrote: >> I live in some 3rd world country (BTW, how does one become 1st world?) > > Back in the day, you'd have needed to join NATO... (2nd world, of course, > required joining the Warsaw Pact.) > > These days, I subscribe to the 'soda theory'. At the lowest level of an > economy, you can only buy one of Pepsi or Coke. A step up, and you will > have a choice. The next step beyond that, you have a choice between > Sprite and 7-Up. A first world economy will have multiple choices for any > flavor of soda, including things like Root Beer, Grape, or Sport Drinks. > In fact, you will have specialty sodas in most flavors, that are in > limited distribution by area, but still in major market retailers. They > will often be sold at prices near or above half an hour's wage (at minimum > wage) for a single soda. (Vs. Coke or Pepsi, which are usually sold at > half that or less.) > > ;) > > Daniel T. Staal > > (How is Kenya these days? I haven't been there in 10 years or so...) > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > This email copyright the author. 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Thread-Index: AcxhGiskRNbO2zjOQEiAH1tuGyD66wAARr4A Message-ID: <29093_1314052245_4E52D895_29093_69_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C803F8F8@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: <20110822034203.3dd9e29e@cox.net> <21605_1314040524_4E52AACC_21605_206_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C803F8EE@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: 'Daniel Staal' , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: First World (Was: What dialup modem WILL work with 8.x and uart?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:30:46 -0000 You're welcome! FBSD is awesome - LINUX SUX! -----Original Message----- From: Chris Hill [mailto:chris@monochrome.org]=20 Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 5:24 PM To: Gary Gatten Cc: 'Daniel Staal'; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: First World (Was: What dialup modem WILL work with 8.x and uar= t?) On Mon, 22 Aug 2011, Gary Gatten wrote: > Interesting analogy. Osama - er, I mean Obama could really use people=20 > like you to explain things better to him, 'cause obviously he has NO=20 > idea what his various and numerous Czars and advisors are saying. Or=20 > maybe they're all barely functional and don't know any better.... I'm sure the OP found that extremely helpful. Thanks for the trenchant=20 incisiveness. Right on topic, too. > Oh wait, this is a FBSD list... Ah, FBSD Rules! Long live FBSD! Right. > > On Mon, August 22, 2011 7:19 am, Odhiambo Washington wrote: >> I live in some 3rd world country (BTW, how does one become 1st world?) > > Back in the day, you'd have needed to join NATO... (2nd world, of course, > required joining the Warsaw Pact.) > > These days, I subscribe to the 'soda theory'. At the lowest level of an > economy, you can only buy one of Pepsi or Coke. A step up, and you will > have a choice. The next step beyond that, you have a choice between > Sprite and 7-Up. A first world economy will have multiple choices for any > flavor of soda, including things like Root Beer, Grape, or Sport Drinks. > In fact, you will have specialty sodas in most flavors, that are in > limited distribution by area, but still in major market retailers. They > will often be sold at prices near or above half an hour's wage (at minimum > wage) for a single soda. (Vs. Coke or Pepsi, which are usually sold at > half that or less.) > > ;) > > Daniel T. Staal > > (How is Kenya these days? I haven't been there in 10 years or so...) > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > This email copyright the author. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 22:54:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52E91065672 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:54:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D678FC0A for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:54:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.78]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C67B16B4E6; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:54:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:53:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:53:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.6dollardialup.com To: Robert Bonomi In-Reply-To: <201108222216.p7MMG4Hm096325@mail.r-bonomi.com> Message-ID: References: <201108222216.p7MMG4Hm096325@mail.r-bonomi.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: luvbeasie@larseighner.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What dialup modem WILL work with 8.x and uart? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:54:17 -0000 On Mon, 22 Aug 2011, Robert Bonomi wrote: > Even 'sio' support of "PCI serial ports" and/or modems was -very-limitid. > precisely *two* models of cards -- The 3Com FaxModem PCI and the Advantec > 56k Voice Messaging PCI FaxModem. That's why I sprang for the 3Com which WAS supported by sio for years and is NOT supported by uart since 8.x. Why it is this device could be supported for so many years, but somehow it is impossible on 8.x? It's not as if dozens of new such devices from dozens of new vendors are flooding the market. It's the same thing it ever was. > Supporting serial controllers across a PCI bridge takes lots of work. and > does *not* 'generalize' well. > > If I were in your situation, I'e look at a USB serial port and external > RS-232 modem. I'll look at anything, but if I have to buy something, I want to know it is actually IS working with uart, not that sort of should've. Uart should've sort of been a "drop-in replacement" for sio - "drop-in repIacement" were the exact words used when I asked about it the first time I heard sio was being dropped and was assured uart would be a "drop-in replacement." But it is not, so theoretical "ought to work"s are not helpful. I'm looking for really actually does work. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 23:25:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92DEF106566B for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:25:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [130.149.58.146]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2256E8FC14 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:25:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (localhost.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [127.0.0.1]) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7MNBr2Z058076 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:11:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: (from elon@localhost) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p7MNBqK4058075 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:11:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from elon) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:11:52 +0200 From: Leon =?iso-8859-15?Q?Me=DFner?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110822231152.GT48651@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: NFSv4 directory listing issues. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:25:03 -0000 Hi, i'm just testing a kerberized NFSv4 export of a ZFS-Filesystem. Both client and server are FreeBSD at the moment. I tried Linux clients, but could not mount with sec=krb5. If i mount an exported directory with -o sec=krb5(i|p)i, directory listings with ls do sometimes take a very long time (about 20times). Example output below. > time ls -la total 8 drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root wheel 4 Aug 16 13:27 . drwxr-xr-x 3 locadm locadm 512 Aug 22 23:46 .. drwxr-xr-x+ 2 root wheel 2 Aug 16 13:27 testdir -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 0 Aug 16 13:27 testfile 0.003u 0.003s 0:00.23 0.0% 0+0k 0+0io 0pf+0w > time ls -la total 8 drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root wheel 4 Aug 16 13:27 . drwxr-xr-x 3 locadm locadm 512 Aug 22 23:46 .. drwxr-xr-x+ 2 root wheel 2 Aug 16 13:27 testdir -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 0 Aug 16 13:27 testfile 0.000u 0.007s 0:04.27 0.0% 0+0k 0+0io 0pf+0w The share is mounted by a local user with a kerberos ticket by mount -t nfs -o nfsv4,sec=krb5 130.149.58.249:/home mount. Mounting with sec=sys does not produce this problem. Has anyone experienced similar issues ? cherio, Leon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 23:32:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC749106566C for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:32:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C07F8FC12 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p7MNXhbh096674; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:33:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:33:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201108222333.p7MNXhbh096674@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, luvbeastie@larseighner.com In-Reply-To: Cc: Subject: Re: What dialup modem WILL work with 8.x and uart? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:32:39 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 22 17:55:46 2011 > Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:53:55 -0500 (CDT) > From: Lars Eighner > To: Robert Bonomi > Cc: luvbeasie@larseighner.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: What dialup modem WILL work with 8.x and uart? > > On Mon, 22 Aug 2011, Robert Bonomi wrote: > > > Even 'sio' support of "PCI serial ports" and/or modems was -very-limitid. > > precisely *two* models of cards -- The 3Com FaxModem PCI and the Advantec > > 56k Voice Messaging PCI FaxModem. > > That's why I sprang for the 3Com which WAS supported by sio for years and is > NOT supported by uart since 8.x. Why it is this device could be supported > for so many years, but somehow it is impossible on 8.x? The answer is "because it *iS*". Whether or not you understand 'why' does't change that real-world FACT. The world changed. The old driver -doesn't- work any more. Because of architectural changes to other parts of the system. At some point in history, there was 'someone' who was 'interested enough' in supporting those 2 PCI cards to actually sit down and write code for the then-existing driver architecture. Time passed, that person is no longer around. > but somehow it is impossible on 8.x? It's not as if > dozens of new such devices from dozens of new vendors are flooding the > market. It's the same thing it ever was. > > > Supporting serial controllers across a PCI bridge takes lots of work. and > > does *not* 'generalize' well. > > > > If I were in your situation, I'e look at a USB serial port and external > > RS-232 modem. > > I'll look at anything, but if I have to buy something, I want to know it is > actually IS working with uart, not that sort of should've. *sigh* If it is a USB serial port, it _doesn't_ use the uart driver. And you avoid any limitations that it might have. > Uart should've > sort of been a "drop-in replacement" for sio - "drop-in repIacement" were > the exact words used when I asked about it the first time I heard sio was > being dropped and was assured uart would be a "drop-in replacement." But it > is not, so theoretical "ought to work"s are not helpful. I'm looking for > really actually does work. You've been told what actually does work. I'm running 8.2 on several machines -- *with* working serial ports that live directly on the legacy ISA bus. Using only the standard kernel drivers. And doing PPP over those ports. I'm not using a modem, just a null-modem cable but I could swap in a pair of _any_ type of hardware modems. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 23:56:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C64F106566B for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:56:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ADA58FC16 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:56:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D60801B9; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 19:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 19:56:40 -0400 From: Daniel Staal To: Gary Gatten , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <21605_1314040524_4E52AACC_21605_206_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C803F8EE@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: <20110822034203.3dd9e29e@cox.net> <21605_1314040524_4E52AACC_21605_206_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C803F8EE@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: RE: First World X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:56:42 -0000 --As of August 22, 2011 2:15:24 PM -0500, Gary Gatten is alleged to have said: > Interesting analogy. Osama - er, I mean Obama could really use people > like you to explain things better to him, 'cause obviously he has NO idea > what his various and numerous Czars and advisors are saying. Or maybe > they're all barely functional and don't know any better.... --As for the rest, it is mine. What analogy? I was answering a question posed as an aside, in a typically geeky 'ha ha, only serious' way. The distinction between what is considered a 'First World Country' and a 'Third World County' is hard to define, but easy to feel if you've traveled through a bunch of both. It's some combination of average wealth, stability of the economy, the wealth distribution, and possibly a few other factors. Sodas are actually a decent proxy for them: They are a cheap, low-end, consumable, _luxury_ item. An economy that can support a large number of different manufacturers with a large variety is going to have a certain average wealth, fairly evenly distributed, and have been stable in that situation for a while. So it's an indicator. A bit of an odd one, but it's easy to check, and does a surprisingly good job. ;) It's no major insight, and wouldn't really help make any policy decisions, but it's something I'll check given the chance in a new country: What the selection is, and what the price is. It will tell you a surprising amount about the country. Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 07:58:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DFF106566B; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:58:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stas@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mx0.deglitch.com (cl-414.sto-01.se.sixxs.net [IPv6:2001:16d8:ff00:19d::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 967ED8FC1A; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:58:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from orion.SpringDaemons.com (c-98-234-217-95.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [98.234.217.95]) by mx0.deglitch.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6C93B8FC39; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:58:23 +0400 (MSD) Received: from orion (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.SpringDaemons.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3AA583A70B; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 00:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 00:58:50 -0700 From: Stanislav Sedov To: Andrea Venturoli Message-Id: <20110823005850.a60d433e.stas@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4E5105A4.1060706@netfence.it> References: <4E5105A4.1060706@netfence.it> Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Mailer: carrier-pigeon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="PGP-SHA1"; boundary="Signature=_Tue__23_Aug_2011_00_58_50_-0700_J9X8uakHEFdfhYtS" Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, knu@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: upgrade of portupgrade to 2.4.9,2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:58:25 -0000 --Signature=_Tue__23_Aug_2011_00_58_50_-0700_J9X8uakHEFdfhYtS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:18:28 +0200 Andrea Venturoli mentioned: > On 08/21/11 08:26, n dhert wrote: > > I did a portupgrade on a freebsd 8.2-RELEASE > > of the portupgrade program itself > > portupgrade-2.4.8_1,2< needs updating (index has 2.4.9,2) > > (that upgraded also ruby to 1.9: >=20 > I did the same on some boxes and I'm having a lot of troubles too... >=20 > # pkgdb -L > Look for lost dependencies: > undefined method `map' for # >=20 Hi! Can you, please, try the portupgrade version from the ports? It should fix those issues. Sorry for the inconvinences! --=20 Stanislav Sedov ST4096-RIPE () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail=20 /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments --Signature=_Tue__23_Aug_2011_00_58_50_-0700_J9X8uakHEFdfhYtS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJOU126AAoJEL8lojEJL9nwTi0P+weyzdLjIsdeobwf8VuzYLVB GYMa/lI1RNjdWktU8X5zRjSFp3KbM1OQgYSMJze4W5waxZ2mdKMTHGNA6NEXG9Z1 nR9/Lfgqvu0iWsaOoFSDEzWrR5StPlpQigxDxX5TOJkoQ7ul3KNLsGWimL920SU5 5P9nPZ1KXeBA1ZVGsNosofT62ITAdU8zciVf6ZqGswGGIFGiH9kMDzJaAyYvEai9 R1W6ewC1x1+e1DaBymvh0uw4uwufy+xGwNDg0VlWimsOm9Y08JAQD1C6lnub+hhz 1nKNNAuNGos3h09q+h0bNshxAFTlliACwkRvM58GIbx6OhKB2SLTbS61wXjxtf3c xLesvqsGV3dwqhcuiUFQZVRw4qi1FDgkGeJiR5KYcnnRKj3vAT2RLshkt/Iv8pi/ lD8J7D/c4iuCrfXUYEp/pMQJpcXv/ceKb6wWHIcBqfxUZx+X7KjO+7IguC7xv2h2 aayNEHUcj+JO04QCcsIMs2cge8h5qUHNWES8dzTAWTCXiHNqfXaYdmgc1OzDB8Wu cPTVvI0j02z0gJgv4r9zZ9v2Qe4BTCuevPG4x7kj1LS9YgiB9FJ+j1odIlKH0N9O lIuuAkDLj+KuCtKwcM5Ssbgptyh4xDkK9m/Sw1h6XElnP8SRU7yVYs+uLSiRL8vi GzNpU0tIxplTU/SCHv+Q =tmmR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Tue__23_Aug_2011_00_58_50_-0700_J9X8uakHEFdfhYtS-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 08:21:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B84F106566C for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:21:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A83D98FC0A for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:21:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from remote.double-l.nl (double-l.xs4all.nl [80.126.205.144]) by smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7N8LBFE097075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:21:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from SRV01.double-l.local ([fe80::1128:e7bc:ba4a:a89a]) by SRV01.double-l.local ([fe80::1128:e7bc:ba4a:a89a%13]) with mapi id 14.01.0218.012; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:21:38 +0200 From: Johan Hendriks To: Rocky Borg Thread-Topic: Ezjail & freebsd-update Thread-Index: AQHMYG0Q1kLx9mQA8UW7jL0Y4RF+KJUqDTIM Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:21:36 +0000 Message-ID: <6C3F8332272B7D4DA26909F15F1C90E1E58CB2@SRV01.double-l.local> References: <4E51B09C.9000302@thelebowski.com> In-Reply-To: <4E51B09C.9000302@thelebowski.com> Accept-Language: nl-NL, en-US Content-Language: nl-NL X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [213.84.84.186] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: Ezjail & freebsd-update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:21:43 -0000 >I had an opportunity to upgrade a server from freebsd 8.1 to 8.2 since=0A= >it had to be restarted any way. I upgraded it with freebsd-update and=0A= >compiled a custom kernel with no problem. However I haven't been able to= =0A= >find a procedure for updating jails when they've been setup with ezjail.= =0A= >I did 'ezjail-admin update -u' however it doesn't seem like that=0A= >upgraded things like the /etc/ dir inside jails. I'm not too worried=0A= >since everything is working however if anyone can point me in the right=0A= >direction I would appreciate it. I figure this will be especially=0A= >important when moving to 9.0 when it's released.=0A= =0A= I always use ezjail_admin update -i =0A= Then do the normal mergemaster steps for the jails=0A= =0A= mergemaster -iU -D /your/path/to/jail=0A= You need to do that for every jail you have=0A= =0A= So if you have three jails named jail_1, jail_2 and jail_3, you do this thr= ee times.=0A= =0A= mergemaster -iU -D /your/path/to/jail_1=0A= mergemaster -iU -D /your/path/to/jail_2=0A= mergemaster -iU -D /your/path/to/jail_3=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= regards,=0A= Johan Hendriks= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 08:29:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700F9106566C for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:29:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 329C98FC0A for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:29:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-15-138.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.15.138]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CCB53ECBE; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:29:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7N8Oep1040530; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:24:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:24:39 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Jorge Biquez Message-Id: <20110823102439.e0e71e0d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <3396744913-1119661742@intranet.com.mx> References: <3396736345-1119661735@intranet.com.mx> <8D1916B6-889F-4ECB-8455-17FE27F52684@d3photography.com> <3396744913-1119661742@intranet.com.mx> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Ryan Coleman , "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:29:14 -0000 On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:13:32 -0500, Jorge Biquez wrote: > Seriously I would like to see or hear about the comparison chart > between all OSs. And a question arrive to my mind... if for some > reason, I know it is impossible, but if for some reason FreeBSD would > stop existing... serious users of FreeBSD, what would be your next OS? Why? Surely one of the other BSDs (OpenBSD as 1st choice, NetBSD as second), maybe some of the more "UNIX-like" Linusi (the "too complicated" ones, maybe those relying on source), and of course Solaris and Mac OS X are worth mentioning here. Those systems could be productive and good to maintain if FreeBSD should ever disappear. Personally, I have experiences with OpenBSD, Solaris and IRIX mainly, as well as some smaller Mac OS skills, so those would be my point of orientation. Of course, _what_ to use them for would be determining the choice. But again allow me to express that this is my very individual opinion that doesn't neccessarily apply to others. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 08:29:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C572A1065672 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:29:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 589D48FC0C for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:29:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-15-138.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.15.138]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC3E3ECFD for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:29:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7N8J23k040511; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:19:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:19:02 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Alejandro Imass Message-Id: <20110823101902.c6acca44.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Evan Busch , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:29:14 -0000 Allow me some short :-) comments. On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 16:18:50 -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote: > Disagree. I've worked with FreeBSD since 6.2 and it's only been > getting better and better. FreeBSD is getting faster and better whilst > Linux really seems to have drifted from direction like you say. Using it since 4.0, I've always been impressed that updating the system meant a speed improvement. More functionality and shorter startup times were things you could actually _see_ in operation. So if you kept the same hardware and updated the OS, it always got better. Sadly, it's the 3rd party software you traditionally install by the ports collection that takes away those advantages. leading to a slower system. Like in "Windows" land, you need to upgrade your hardware to keep the _same_ speed. Additionally, there often is functionality that gets lost and cannot be restored again because the programmers removed it in the attempt to "improve" their programs. May I name a few? I may. :-) The xzgv viewer, after being updated to Gtk+ (instead of Gtk) hast lost the ability to adjust image brightness and contrast. Keyboard interaction removed some features. The Opera web browser now can't access a normal LPR system anymore. It seems to require CUPS, and even if this is installed and configured, it doesn't print (at least not in my case). The file dialogs, as well as the handling of some context menues got really crippled. Configuration has been moved to a "Registry"-like pile of... you know. Functioning programs like Sylpheed 1 (using Gtk) also get removed from the ports tree because they are "obsolete". In the past few days of horror, I was lucky to be able to _use_ this program because it worked - unlike its "modern" counterparts. I could carry on for many pages (or days). :-) Let's just say that if you want to have a stable system, there _may_ be cases where it's wise to install _once_ and then keep using, _not_ touching it anymore. But you could achieve such states with nearly any OS, so it's not specific to FreeBSD here. > I don't think there is any doubt that FreeBSD as such is more a > server-oriented OS that can be configured as a high-end Workstation. > PC-BSD on the other hand is aiming more for the Laptop and Workstation > user whilst maintaining it's FBSD core intact. There are other "specialized" FreeBSD derivates for specific uses and purposes. > We haven't experienced this ever. Both with Linux and FreeBSD you will > experience this depending mainly on hardware support. It's got nothing > to do with the OS but with the fact that HW manufacturers don't > support Open Source simply because they hardware is getting cheaper > every day being replaced by software that eats up the central CPU. In many cases, they invent something "new" instead of simply conforming to existing standards. Just imagine you would need a driver for your hard disk. :-) > Honestly I don't understand where you are getting this from. I don't > seem to have experienced anything like what you are describing. On the > contrary, I find FreeBSD to very organized and well maintained. In this regards (being organized): See "man hier" and compare to what different Linusi store where. Then try to find out where "Windows" stores things. Good luck. :-) > This is so funny because I loved FreeBSD from the start precisely > because it had a one and only handbook, not like Linux where every > distro does whatever the hell they want with their docs. Like having "no documentation", leaving it to the users to write the documentation in some arbitrary Wikis. :-) > Also, the way that Linux distros change the original projects and > configuration files layout is really anoying to me. Portability across different distributions can be quite problematic, it's like transitioning configuration material from Solaris to HP-UX or to IRIX, which are different operating systems. > FreeBSD stays > aligned with the original project and lays out the installation and > configuration structure that is faithful to the original project. The strength within this concept is that you can _predict_ where you'll _find_ certain things, without _searching_ for them. This is the strength of logic and deduction. The opposite is "don't care", "put it into an arbitrary place" or "put it in many different places, choose something new when updating". > And of course, if you use FreeBSD you probably > use the ports system and try to install everything from source anyway. I think a major "problem" is that many users still expect that installing software means opening a web browser, using google to find something, then download it, then go through some "wizard" with high interaction, "step by step", handholding the system, and then rebooting. This also implies that they expect every program to care for its own updates. A centralized means like it's present in FreeBSD is, in my opinion, much more logical and modern than those stange and old-fashioned concept that usually is employed to get spyware on typical PCs. > We are all > volunteers here and we usually try to help those that have first > helped themselves. It's always a sign of helpful communities that help is given to those who _first_ invest in solving the problem on their own, and with admitting that they can't master it, seek for help, being _open_ to that help, instead of expecting others to solve the problem. This is, by the way, the reason of the belief that some systems are "easy": They seem to be, as all problems are delegated to others. :-) > I personally told some college student a few weeks ago to go do his > homework and it cost me a discussion with a couple of members here, > and I will do it again. FreeBSD's list is IMHO much more tolerant than > _many_ other places I share my time in. Depending on _what_ other communities one visits on the Internet, the FreeBSD mailing list can sometime be a bit... direct - but that's not a problem because it's not a personal offense or an insult. And in my opinion, a direct statement often is more helpful than something wrapped in pretty words that doesn't help at all. > I think it's time that Ron posts directly and trade some facts about > all these claims. Preferably one post per fact at a time like > Netiquette indicates. Yes - those claims aside, I'd be interested in real facts, real cases where the claims could be backed up with some evidence. I do _not_ want to say that it's all wrong, because there's a little truth in some of the statements, but without a specific case, it's very hard to discuss that. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 09:01:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B43106566B; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:01:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from cp-out8.libero.it (cp-out8.libero.it [212.52.84.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9BD38FC08; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:01:01 +0000 (UTC) X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0209.4E536C4C.00DA,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-libjamoibt: 1555 Received: from soth.ventu (151.41.231.50) by cp-out8.libero.it (8.5.133) id 4E301F1503203A97; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:01:00 +0200 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7N90mpK072997; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:00:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Message-ID: <4E536C40.8080305@netfence.it> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:00:48 +0200 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; it-IT; rv:1.9.2.20) Gecko/20110817 Thunderbird/3.1.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stanislav Sedov References: <4E5105A4.1060706@netfence.it> <20110823005850.a60d433e.stas@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20110823005850.a60d433e.stas@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.72 on 10.1.2.13 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrade of portupgrade to 2.4.9,2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:01:02 -0000 On 08/23/11 09:58, Stanislav Sedov wrote: > On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:18:28 +0200 > Andrea Venturoli mentioned: > >> On 08/21/11 08:26, n dhert wrote: >>> I did a portupgrade on a freebsd 8.2-RELEASE >>> of the portupgrade program itself >>> portupgrade-2.4.8_1,2< needs updating (index has 2.4.9,2) >>> (that upgraded also ruby to 1.9: >> >> I did the same on some boxes and I'm having a lot of troubles too... >> >> # pkgdb -L >> Look for lost dependencies: >> undefined method `map' for # >> > > Hi! > > Can you, please, try the portupgrade version from the ports? > It should fix those issues. Not really. I tried "portupgrade -R portupgrade", but still had a messed-up system. Since I don't use Ruby for much and had only portupgrade and libchk using it, I wiped them all and reinstalled portupgrade from scratch. This also reinstalled ruby. I'm still getting "undefined method `map'..." when I run pkgdb, however. > # pkg_info -r portupgrade\* > Information for portupgrade-2.4.9.2,2: > > Depends on: > Dependency: libyaml-0.1.4_1 > Dependency: openssl-1.0.0_5 > Dependency: pkg-config-0.25_1 > Dependency: libffi-3.0.9 > Dependency: ruby-1.9.2.290,1 > Sorry for the inconvinences! You're welcome, I appreciate your work and help. bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 09:10:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66DD1106564A; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:10:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stas@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mx0.deglitch.com (cl-414.sto-01.se.sixxs.net [IPv6:2001:16d8:ff00:19d::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143388FC19; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:10:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from orion.SpringDaemons.com (c-98-234-217-95.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [98.234.217.95]) by mx0.deglitch.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D7A598FC36; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:10:42 +0400 (MSD) Received: from orion (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.SpringDaemons.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BF56A3A70B; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 02:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 02:11:10 -0700 From: Stanislav Sedov To: Andrea Venturoli Message-Id: <20110823021110.969c9a41.stas@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4E536C40.8080305@netfence.it> References: <4E5105A4.1060706@netfence.it> <20110823005850.a60d433e.stas@FreeBSD.org> <4E536C40.8080305@netfence.it> Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Mailer: carrier-pigeon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="PGP-SHA1"; boundary="Signature=_Tue__23_Aug_2011_02_11_10_-0700_jwlm61thSuIx.ehx" Cc: Stanislav Sedov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrade of portupgrade to 2.4.9,2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:10:44 -0000 --Signature=_Tue__23_Aug_2011_02_11_10_-0700_jwlm61thSuIx.ehx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:00:48 +0200 Andrea Venturoli mentioned: > On 08/23/11 09:58, Stanislav Sedov wrote: > > On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:18:28 +0200 > > Andrea Venturoli mentioned: > > > >> On 08/21/11 08:26, n dhert wrote: > >>> I did a portupgrade on a freebsd 8.2-RELEASE > >>> of the portupgrade program itself > >>> portupgrade-2.4.8_1,2< needs updating (index has 2.4.9,2) > >>> (that upgraded also ruby to 1.9: > >> > >> I did the same on some boxes and I'm having a lot of troubles too... > >> > >> # pkgdb -L > >> Look for lost dependencies: > >> undefined method `map' for # > >> > > > > Hi! > > > > Can you, please, try the portupgrade version from the ports? > > It should fix those issues. >=20 > Not really. >=20 > I tried "portupgrade -R portupgrade", but still had a messed-up system. > Since I don't use Ruby for much and had only portupgrade and libchk=20 > using it, I wiped them all and reinstalled portupgrade from scratch.=20 > This also reinstalled ruby. > I'm still getting "undefined method `map'..." when I run pkgdb, however. >=20 Hi! Are you sure you have the latest one (2.4.9.2_2,2). If not, you can grab it from here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/po= rts/ports-mgmt/portupgrade/ (the page has a small "download as a tarball" l= ink at the bottom). Let me know if it works! Thanks! --=20 Stanislav Sedov ST4096-RIPE () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail=20 /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments --Signature=_Tue__23_Aug_2011_02_11_10_-0700_jwlm61thSuIx.ehx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJOU26uAAoJEL8lojEJL9nwt5AQAJxai2kPL5wQs6X1IBGAVLSq DI8yho4W9dZQ0lRABJiO8v7cKxpHWm8khwIwN9JRxyNusPbWhiJr0RqIR4Y/Snn1 nrGAdE+KA6cFQMF4T0I4vPBVQXAdeUdaZEc4BWiGAxpu/LKxzK/EEemMY/X8t/pg dMEh3nIqb1dyWn0RIYtGOgzWcm6PF+eT79PpBzJ24Pbp5rX6lufxeph9v9dB2Mj5 LAVv5NbriimoxqooKQpnI1VC8l9ROBS1xGxUK5axxIr0KOz2PMAen0UlWlbdOYfU gRS0p6Gk7Lky7muXutpyyTXktZi1sOPr4gy7dkSAZi9i3Gf+xmbLEcGRt/tXe5qc mdDkZSSc/QWY7zIt6dG2xPCpoLPU+Eh1lUYJ+x20FmaN4ciGca7hLMN2BmMQ68P4 9APVEASnqbxxx7TBOxLkDSG5dM1/2v1eAGZzxBI1674kMM/c1ioQflr4z3AQ97Zv oJpdjT8m9kyzGHLqjYrqCbFoGFTtC+CygEvDNitHo68tx7e8QDM2fE9wYzTAwqaz wdxXysGZC6K8GZczA00zN+jeJdShAALr7nzNUOAy8N27l8N0I9UQ2G8VQph/lHkH 6cDAoPFN361eRp+YHVwr+g4DPK66xw+ecUjFjA0BGveXaED1nAqZ/hd9uIBzNe03 m+623YwknWNmVOdNFSfb =fyYm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Tue__23_Aug_2011_02_11_10_-0700_jwlm61thSuIx.ehx-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 09:12:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B3E1065674 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:12:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a.spinella@rfc1925.net) Received: from joy.rfc1925.net (host10-102-static.12-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it [87.12.102.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DFD8FC16 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:12:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from joy.rfc1925.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by joy.rfc1925.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33BB125618 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:12:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc1925.net Received: from joy.rfc1925.net ([127.0.0.1]) by joy.rfc1925.net (joy.rfc1925.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id fH5TJo-zpO+G for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:12:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from LSD25.communicationvalley.it (unknown [194.246.127.224]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: a.spinella@rfc1925.net) by joy.rfc1925.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 41F241255BC for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:12:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E536F05.6090000@rfc1925.net> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:12:37 +0200 From: Alessandro Spinella User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110818 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3396736345-1119661735@intranet.com.mx> <8D1916B6-889F-4ECB-8455-17FE27F52684@d3photography.com> <3396744913-1119661742@intranet.com.mx> <20110823102439.e0e71e0d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110823102439.e0e71e0d.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:12:21 -0000 On 08/23/11 10:24, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:13:32 -0500, Jorge Biquez wrote: >> Seriously I would like to see or hear about the comparison chart >> between all OSs. And a question arrive to my mind... if for some >> reason, I know it is impossible, but if for some reason FreeBSD would >> stop existing... serious users of FreeBSD, what would be your next OS? Why? > > Surely one of the other BSDs (OpenBSD as 1st choice, NetBSD as > second), maybe some of the more "UNIX-like" Linusi (the "too > complicated" ones, maybe those relying on source), and of course > Solaris and Mac OS X are worth mentioning here. Those systems > could be productive and good to maintain if FreeBSD should ever > disappear. > ciao, i reference to rule #10 of RFC1925 that states : <> from my point of view it is a truth also in OS, not only in networking. as long as my goal is a videogame station the "quality" OS maybe very different from the one i will consider "qualitative" for a webfarm. in short the goal drives choice, and from my experience (over 35 years in IT) FreeBSD is the best-fit for use in internetworking, partially due to his resilence, partially for the overall quality of the kernel, partially for the ease-of-use, the ease-to-understood, open-source software availability and more "minor" properties it is relatively simple to build and maintain a webfarm with FreeBSD as the *exclusive* OS without fear of "hackers", spam, virus and almost all internet-zoo. in short : i *love* FreeBSD, if ever it will die feel there are more and more volunteers to bulid a new one that will honour the "twelve networking rules" cheers Alessandro From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 09:42:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 710BC106564A for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:42:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@a-berg.se) Received: from mammoth.unixsh.net (mammoth.unixsh.net [195.35.83.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C5ED8FC21 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:42:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 17281 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2011 09:15:23 -0000 Received: from localhost.maniacs.se (HELO mammoth.unixsh.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.maniacs.se with SMTP; 23 Aug 2011 09:15:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:15:23 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Andr=C3=A9as_Berg?= To: In-Reply-To: <4E536C40.8080305@netfence.it> References: "" <4E5105A4.1060706@netfence.it> <20110823005850.a60d433e.stas@FreeBSD.org> <4E536C40.8080305@netfence.it> Message-ID: <238211d9fceca7742b963eef057837da@mammoth.unixsh.net> X-Sender: freebsd@a-berg.se User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: upgrade of portupgrade to 2.4.9,2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:42:06 -0000 This ruby+portupgrade upgrade seems to be quite a mess. My systems fetch new ports tree nightly and I upgrade during the day when I have some spare time. So, this morning my systems had the new ruby versions and the UPDATING instruction, but not the new portupgrade port version (not that it had helped, but anyway). So, portupgrade -fr lang/ruby18 failed. Right now, I've got one system (the less critical one) upgraded with the latest and portupgrade is still failing. The other I backed down to ruby18 and portupgrade-2.4.8_1,2 and that works. Information from the upgraded system: # pkg_info -Ia | egrep 'ruby|portupgrade' portupgrade-2.4.9.2_2,2 FreeBSD ports/packages administration and management tool s ruby-1.9.2.290,1 An object-oriented interpreted scripting language ruby19-bdb-0.6.6 Ruby interface to Sleepycat's Berkeley DB revision 2 or lat Here's an example failure output. I get the same errors whatever port I try to upgrade.. # portupgrade -f portupgrade-2.4.9.2_2,2 ---> Session started at: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:10:02 +0200 ---> ** Upgrade tasks 1: 0 done, 0 ignored, 0 skipped and 1 failed ---> Listing the results (+:done / -:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) ! ports-mgmt/portupgrade (portupgrade-2.4.9.2_2,2) (can't modify frozen string) ---> Packages processed: 0 done, 0 ignored, 0 skipped and 1 failed ---> Saving the results to '/var/log/portupgrade.results' ** Failed to save the results: undefined method `install_data' for # ---> Session ended at: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:10:08 +0200 (consumed 00:00:05) Regards, Andréas On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:00:48 +0200, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > On 08/23/11 09:58, Stanislav Sedov wrote: > >> On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:18:28 +0200 Andrea Venturoli mentioned: >> >>> On 08/21/11 08:26, n dhert wrote: >>> >>>> I did a portupgrade on a freebsd 8.2-RELEASE of the portupgrade program itself portupgrade-2.4.8_1,2< needs updating (index has 2.4.9,2) (that upgraded also ruby to 1.9: >>> I did the same on some boxes and I'm having a lot of troubles too... # pkgdb -L Look for lost dependencies: undefined method `map' for # >> Hi! Can you, please, try the portupgrade version from the ports? It should fix those issues. > > Not really. > > I tried "portupgrade -R portupgrade", but still had a messed-up system. > Since I don't use Ruby for much and had only portupgrade and libchk > using it, I wiped them all and reinstalled portupgrade from scratch. > This also reinstalled ruby. > I'm still getting "undefined method `map'..." when I run pkgdb, however. > >> # pkg_info -r portupgrade* Information for portupgrade-2.4.9.2,2: Depends on: Dependency: libyaml-0.1.4_1 Dependency: openssl-1.0.0_5 Dependency: pkg-config-0.25_1 Dependency: libffi-3.0.9 Dependency: ruby-1.9.2.290,1 > Sorry for the inconvinences! > > You're welcome, I appreciate your work and help. > > bye & Thanks > av. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@free> freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo > tions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org [2]" Links: ------ [1] mailto:ml@netfence.it [2] mailto:freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 10:16:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D59106566B; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:16:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from cp-out8.libero.it (cp-out8.libero.it [212.52.84.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7BA8FC17; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:16:46 +0000 (UTC) X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0206.4E537E0D.0155,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-libjamoibt: 1555 Received: from soth.ventu (151.41.231.50) by cp-out8.libero.it (8.5.133) id 4E301F150322719D; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:16:45 +0200 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7NAGZOt010770; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:16:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Message-ID: <4E537E03.8060607@netfence.it> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:16:35 +0200 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; it-IT; rv:1.9.2.20) Gecko/20110817 Thunderbird/3.1.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stanislav Sedov References: <4E5105A4.1060706@netfence.it> <20110823005850.a60d433e.stas@FreeBSD.org> <4E536C40.8080305@netfence.it> <20110823021110.969c9a41.stas@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20110823021110.969c9a41.stas@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.72 on 10.1.2.13 Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: upgrade of portupgrade to 2.4.9,2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:16:47 -0000 On 08/23/11 11:11, Stanislav Sedov wrote: > Are you sure you have the latest one (2.4.9.2_2,2). > If not, you can grab it from here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade/ (the page has a small "download as a tarball" link > at the bottom). You are right: I had just "csupped", and saw a portupgrade update, but it was not _2. Probably it.cvsup.freebsd.org is a little behind :-) > Let me know if it works! For pkgdb, so far, so fine. I'm still getting "stack level too deep" (see other post), but this is not on all boxes and I'm investigating it. Thanks a lot. bye av. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 12:32:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09086106566C for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:32:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECA68FC1C for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.96]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 901F816B4AF; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:32:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:31:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:31:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.6dollardialup.com To: Robert Bonomi In-Reply-To: <201108222333.p7MNXhbh096674@mail.r-bonomi.com> Message-ID: References: <201108222333.p7MNXhbh096674@mail.r-bonomi.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What dialup modem WILL work with 8.x and uart? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:32:11 -0000 On Mon, 22 Aug 2011, Robert Bonomi wrote: >> From: Lars Eighner >> That's why I sprang for the 3Com which WAS supported by sio for years and is >> NOT supported by uart since 8.x. Why it is this device could be supported >> for so many years, but somehow it is impossible on 8.x? > > The answer is "because it *iS*". Whether or not you understand 'why' does't > change that real-world FACT. > > The world changed. The old driver -doesn't- work any more. Because of > architectural changes to other parts of the system. It is only natural for me to resist the conclusion that I have wasted years of my time and poured trasure down a rat hole. >> I'll look at anything, but if I have to buy something, I want to know it is >> actually IS working with uart, not that sort of should've. > > *sigh* > > If it is a USB serial port, it _doesn't_ use the uart driver. And you avoid > any limitations that it might have. > >> "drop-in repIacement" were the exact words used when I asked about it the >> first time I heard sio was being dropped and was assured uart would be a >> "drop-in replacement." But it is not, so theoretical "ought to work"s are >> not helpful. I'm looking for really actually does work. > > You've been told what actually does work. I'm running 8.2 on several > machines -- *with* working serial ports that live directly on the legacy > ISA bus. Using only the standard kernel drivers. And doing PPP over > those ports. I'm not using a modem, just a null-modem cable but I could > swap in a pair of _any_ type of hardware modems. Well, see, my question was about dialup, not null modem. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 13:51:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76077106566C for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:51:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1-6.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39ECA8FC08 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:51:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a] (saphire3.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7NDosOr093198; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:50:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-ID: <4E53B03F.7090109@sentex.net> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:50:55 -0400 From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Eighner References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What dialup modem WILL work with 8.x and uart? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:51:03 -0000 On 8/21/2011 12:34 PM, Lars Eighner wrote: > > Since uart in 8.x will not support my PCI 3com hardware modem (as FreeBSD > sio has since 4.x) and my PR is gathering dust, before I buy any more > coaster sets from osdisc.com, it behooves to ask if there are any dialup > modems that 8.x uart actually supports for ppp on demand? A number of people have asked a number of times for you to provide details as to what exactly does not work given that a number of people use the same 3com modem you claim is totally broken. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2011-May/062731.html I have the following modem is a few dozen locations that works just fine on RELENG_7 and RELENG_8 using uart. uart2@pci0:0:14:0: class=0x070002 card=0x00d312b9 chip=0x100812b9 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = '3COM Corp, Modem Division (Formerly US Robotics)' device = 'USR5610B (0005610-02) 56K Performance Pro Modem (PCI Internal) (USR5610B)' class = simple comms subclass = UART bar [10] = type I/O Port, range 32, base 0xe500, size 8, enabled cap 01[dc] = powerspec 2 supports D0 D2 D3 current D0 # cu -l /dev/cuau2 Connected ati3 U.S. Robotics 56K FAX INT V5.22.91 OK ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 13:50:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A08106564A for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:50:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timp87@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85A308FC08 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:50:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so427172iye.17 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 06:50:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8Gdq1+kFN0r8LiizKQKA5TpjSlGyycjdMq5M4fS/BJw=; b=kHtH/G8EQfm2rjoZU/BkqtBTqS+Gg1jcUcymtPqA769Xpf7k7q8/ZQSvM69TWYrZ7H 4SV+6HLPZ9nmJVTaVIpMST5P6X+z1OzrMcqU70CQ9dKJUtyXka5V4G7TZWplroYHjPnb FJPRurn/P8Vs8qRtAiDR8J4oGAmWoJnm8koNw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.81.205 with SMTP id y13mr8249757ibk.91.1314107443999; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 06:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.36.66 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 06:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:50:43 +0400 Message-ID: From: Pavel Timofeev To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:24:07 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Can carp(4) run daemons or scripts? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:50:44 -0000 Can carp(4) run daemons or scripts when backup server come into the work? As I know ucarp and heartbeat can do this. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 15:26:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B294B106567E for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:26:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@psconsult.nl) Received: from mx1.psconsult.nl (mx1.psconsult.nl [80.89.238.138]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399708FC2D for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:26:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.psconsult.nl ([80.89.238.138]) by mx1.psconsult.nl (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7NFQOvP016503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:26:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@psconsult.nl) Received: (from paul@localhost) by mx1.psconsult.nl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p7NFQOGP016502; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:26:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@psconsult.nl) X-Authentication-Warning: mx1.psconsult.nl: paul set sender to freebsd@psconsult.nl using -f Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:26:24 +0200 From: Paul Schenkeveld To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110823152624.GA4573@psconsult.nl> References: <20110819141030.GA31338@psconsult.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110819141030.GA31338@psconsult.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Peter Andreev , Johan Hendriks Subject: Re: freebsd-update, fetch once upgrade many machines X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:26:32 -0000 On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 04:10:30PM +0200, Paul Schenkeveld wrote: > Hi, > > Is it possible to fetch files needed for freebsd-update once and put > them on a local fileserver to update many machines? Thanks for the pointers on how to set up my own build servers for freebsd-update but I'm not really interested in building locally, I just want to mirror the releases and patches that we're interested in locally and point freebsd-update at my local mirror. Meanwhile I've been reading parts of the freebsd-update script to see how updates are distributed. It looks like stuff gets moved around in /var/db/freebsd-update during the whole process and what exactly gets downloaded depends on what's installed on the machine fetching the files. Ideally I'd like to be able to do something like: 'wget -r http://update.freebsd.org/x.y-RELEASE/amd64' to fill my cache, even if x.y is a lower release number than the current release that my mirror server runs at, i.e. on a 8.2-R server I'd like to mirror updates for servers I'd like to upgrade from 7.2 to 7.4. > The reason for asking is that all these machines are on secure > networks and are not allowed to have Internet access but can all > access a common fileserver (using FTP, HTTP, SSH but not NFS). > > I can safely assume that all these machines run the same version of > FreeBSD, installed from binary distributions, GENERIC kernel and only > upgraded using freebsd-update. Thanks, Paul Schenkeveld From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 15:39:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5571065670 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:39:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [91.121.44.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D52A28FC12 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr12941.univ-rennes1.fr (mr129041.cri.univ-rennes1.fr [129.20.129.41]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 77C97FAA2DD3; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:39:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mr12941 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mr12941.univ-rennes1.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28AC87A000B; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:39:44 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:39:43 +0200 From: Patrick Lamaiziere To: Pavel Timofeev Message-ID: <20110823173943.0f17d4c5@mr12941> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.24.4; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can carp(4) run daemons or scripts? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:39:46 -0000 Le Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:50:43 +0400, Pavel Timofeev a écrit : Hello, > Can carp(4) run daemons or scripts when backup server come into the > work? As I know ucarp and heartbeat can do this. No, carp only works at the interface level. In ports you will find ifstated(8) (from OpenBSD). It can react to a change on an interface and run tests. Also may be with devd, but imo ifstated will do the trick. Regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 15:59:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E6D1065670 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:59:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8E28FC19 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:59:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.74]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C3E0D16B4AF; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:59:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:59:19 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:59:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.6dollardialup.com To: Paul Schenkeveld In-Reply-To: <20110823152624.GA4573@psconsult.nl> Message-ID: References: <20110819141030.GA31338@psconsult.nl> <20110823152624.GA4573@psconsult.nl> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-update, fetch once upgrade many machines X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:59:38 -0000 On Tue, 23 Aug 2011, Paul Schenkeveld wrote: > On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 04:10:30PM +0200, Paul Schenkeveld wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Is it possible to fetch files needed for freebsd-update once and put >> them on a local fileserver to update many machines? > > Thanks for the pointers on how to set up my own build servers for > freebsd-update but I'm not really interested in building locally, I > just want to mirror the releases and patches that we're interested in > locally and point freebsd-update at my local mirror. I'm coming in late to this, so this may not be pertinent or may already have been suggested. The cvs-supfile in /usr/share/examples/cvsup if you have installed cvsup, seems to say it will reproduce the entire CVS tree on your machine. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 16:30:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B155106566C for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 16:30:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timp87@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4285C8FC0A for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 16:30:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywo32 with SMTP id 32so264599ywo.13 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:30:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=e/0Qh9PAlRXx24jmIc7YoJ3UOQSWfX15ticHn5quVMg=; b=x23AUWpqbKOvbMzy/vJ40Mw1E8kz1dVGWsZ7fC+EoJ9VCZuzYgOAH+0UL/HDml+S4U TUXjNqjp/C5bSGBEcKxZplbgQVf+AfObFUQ+Is+esWWyKacG0+rLJ8mw0euAnZycpXlv EvdqtPapnsBytCQIbPz+84eBpsgf7/0kExge4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.168.194 with SMTP id x2mr679252icy.42.1314116512950; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.36.66 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:21:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110823173943.0f17d4c5@mr12941> References: <20110823173943.0f17d4c5@mr12941> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:21:52 +0400 Message-ID: From: Pavel Timofeev To: Patrick Lamaiziere Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can carp(4) run daemons or scripts? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 16:30:03 -0000 Oh, thank you very much! I didn't know about ifstated. I'll try it. > Also may be with devd How? What do you mean? 2011/8/23 Patrick Lamaiziere > Le Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:50:43 +0400, > Pavel Timofeev a =C3=A9crit : > > Hello, > > > Can carp(4) run daemons or scripts when backup server come into the > > work? As I know ucarp and heartbeat can do this. > > No, carp only works at the interface level. In ports you will find > ifstated(8) (from OpenBSD). It can react to a change on an > interface and run tests. > > Also may be with devd, but imo ifstated will do the trick. > > Regards. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 16:31:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 152AC106567D for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 16:31:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B938FC0C for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 16:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from russet.local (reflex.squiz.co.uk [83.217.109.164]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7NGUw4B099472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:31:03 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p7NGUw4B099472 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1314117064; bh=S8NmhYWQUW5q6MfCKca6XiSPyoOyWemL0hvk2prXuDI=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4E53D5C0.8080506@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20T ue,=2023=20Aug=202011=2017:30:56=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20rv:6.0)=20Gecko/201 10812=20Thunderbird/6.0|MIME-Version:=201.0|To:=20freebsd-question s@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20freebsd-update,=20fetch=20once=20up grade=20many=20machines|References:=20<20110819141030.GA31338@psco nsult.nl>=20<20110823152624.GA4573@psconsult.nl>|In-Reply-To:=20<2 0110823152624.GA4573@psconsult.nl>|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.3|Conte nt-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20prot ocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"-------- ----enig44772666417EFF6229E2A7FF"; b=O3fNNaLDy7kM9G1oeKCwbyP5403v8STqyObjxNJlIFdnjY5wQGNtYhzXhanRhoG3w gB/wczEsOLV46pIBKiCaxe26EoJ3PShX5AlcPLBIVe0MHdIhuuYy2RHqwhkaoWCpPT EYb2TfGlPoUf+4ZtKlYRdWVy7futxidbJ9SbLtt4= X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host reflex.squiz.co.uk [83.217.109.164] claimed to be russet.local Message-ID: <4E53D5C0.8080506@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:30:56 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110819141030.GA31338@psconsult.nl> <20110823152624.GA4573@psconsult.nl> In-Reply-To: <20110823152624.GA4573@psconsult.nl> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig44772666417EFF6229E2A7FF" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.2 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: freebsd-update, fetch once upgrade many machines X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 16:31:08 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig44772666417EFF6229E2A7FF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 23/08/2011 16:26, Paul Schenkeveld wrote: > Thanks for the pointers on how to set up my own build servers for > freebsd-update but I'm not really interested in building locally, I > just want to mirror the releases and patches that we're interested in > locally and point freebsd-update at my local mirror. Implement a local squid proxy just for freebsd-update ? Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig44772666417EFF6229E2A7FF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5T1cAACgkQ8Mjk52CukIyR9gCfZGOTfFxLYISZJmMLN04qOisb XfMAn2grWffAPDQBMd8CJq7FwT42XW76 =n2xb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig44772666417EFF6229E2A7FF-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 18:05:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC9C1065670 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:05:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864E48FC14 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:05:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p7NI6IZw002648; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:06:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:06:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201108231806.p7NI6IZw002648@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: luvbeastie@larseighner.com In-Reply-To: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What dialup modem WILL work with 8.x and uart? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:05:12 -0000 > From lars@larseighner.com Tue Aug 23 07:33:23 2011 > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:31:50 -0500 (CDT) > From: Lars Eighner > To: Robert Bonomi > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: What dialup modem WILL work with 8.x and uart? > > On Mon, 22 Aug 2011, Robert Bonomi wrote: > > >> From: Lars Eighner > > >> That's why I sprang for the 3Com which WAS supported by sio for years > >> and is NOT supported by uart since 8.x. Why it is this device could > >> be supported for so many years, but somehow it is impossible on 8.x? > > > > The answer is "because it *iS*". Whether or not you understand 'why' > > does't change that real-world FACT. > > > > The world changed. The old driver -doesn't- work any more. Because of > > architectural changes to other parts of the system. > > It is only natural for me to resist the conclusion that I have wasted > years of my time and poured trasure down a rat hole. "Sh*t happens." Live with it. > >> I'll look at anything, but if I have to buy something, I want to know > >> it is actually IS working with uart, not that sort of should've. > > > > *sigh* > > > > If it is a USB serial port, it _doesn't_ use the uart driver. And you > > avoid any limitations that it might have. > > > >> "drop-in repIacement" were the exact words used when I asked about it > >> the first time I heard sio was being dropped and was assured uart > >> would be a "drop-in replacement." But it is not, so theoretical "ought > >> to work"s are not helpful. I'm looking for really actually does work. > > > > You've been told what actually does work. I'm running 8.2 on several > > machines -- *with* working serial ports that live directly on the > > legacy ISA bus. Using only the standard kernel drivers. And doing PPP > > over those ports. I'm not using a modem, just a null-modem cable but I > > could swap in a pair of _any_ type of hardware modems. > > Well, see, my question was about dialup, not null modem. There is absolutely *zero* difference between a serial port using a null modem and a RS-232 interface modem on that same serial port, as far as the operating system is concerned. I've tried to tell you what *will* work, and how to find appropriate hardware, and all you want to do is argue with the help you're being given. What you need to do is hire somebody to *do*the*programming* to port the device driver you "require' to the newer version of the O/S. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 19:27:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F836106566C for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:27:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 206F58FC0C for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:27:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vhoffman-macbooklocal.local ([10.10.10.20]) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7NJRtCE000193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:27:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <4E53FF3B.40606@unsane.co.uk> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:27:55 +0100 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pavel Timofeev References: <20110823173943.0f17d4c5@mr12941> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Patrick Lamaiziere , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can carp(4) run daemons or scripts? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:27:59 -0000 On 23/08/2011 17:21, Pavel Timofeev wrote: > Oh, thank you very much! > I didn't know about ifstated. I'll try it. > >> Also may be with devd > How? What do you mean? devd is the freebsd device state change daemon, it will track device state changes and you can tell it to act on them. A quick google for devd and carp gives http://blather.michaelwlucas.com/archives/224 which looks like it covers the kind of thing you want. Vince > > 2011/8/23 Patrick Lamaiziere > >> Le Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:50:43 +0400, >> Pavel Timofeev a écrit : >> >> Hello, >> >>> Can carp(4) run daemons or scripts when backup server come into the >>> work? As I know ucarp and heartbeat can do this. >> No, carp only works at the interface level. In ports you will find >> ifstated(8) (from OpenBSD). It can react to a change on an >> interface and run tests. >> >> Also may be with devd, but imo ifstated will do the trick. >> >> Regards. >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 19:42:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FBA3106566B for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:42:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apache@pemlinweb04.crystone.net) Received: from pemlinweb04.crystone.net (pemlinweb04.crystone.net [83.168.226.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E86E88FC08 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pemlinweb04.crystone.net (pemlinweb04.crystone.net [127.0.0.1]) by pemlinweb04.crystone.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p7NHXTFi009430 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:33:29 +0200 Received: (from apache@localhost) by pemlinweb04.crystone.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id p7NHXTAM009428; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:33:29 +0200 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:33:29 +0200 To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: Lloyds TSB Message-Id: <1307461571.480@lloydstsb.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Update your personal data X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:42:09 -0000 [1]Lloyds TSB home Bank Secure Logo Dear customer, Lloyds TSB is constantly working to ensure security by regularly screening the accounts in our system. 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References 1. http://www.lloydstsb.com/personal.asp 2. http://hi-fi.mn/libraries/phputf8/native/index1.html 3. http://www.fsa.gov.uk/register/%2520 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 19:50:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB19A1065678 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:50:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from REMORSE@PARTNERS.ORG) Received: from phsmgmx12.partners.org (phsmgmx12.partners.org [155.52.251.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 715E38FC16 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:50:10 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsUDAHr8U06Et4IpkWdsb2JhbABCp2UUAQEBARQSFCWBRzpRAT4vEycEpHWgfYVpXwSLYIxPi2Q Received: from phsxcon3.partners.org ([132.183.130.41]) by phsmgmx12-out.partners.org with ESMTP; 23 Aug 2011 15:20:42 -0400 Received: from PHSXMB44.partners.org ([172.27.31.7]) by PHSXCON3.partners.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:20:33 -0400 Received: from PHSX10HT2.partners.org ([172.27.168.178]) by PHSXMB44.partners.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:20:33 -0400 Received: from PHSX10MB1.partners.org ([169.254.1.185]) by PHSX10HT2.partners.org ([172.27.168.178]) with mapi id 14.01.0289.001; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:20:33 -0400 From: "Morse, Richard E.MGH" To: "questions@freebsd.org" Thread-Topic: How to allow Amanda to install as operator? Thread-Index: AQHMYcm5BsLoGOnPnEGpz1eRAh825g== Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:20:32 +0000 Message-ID: <58E4DB08-95B1-4931-83EA-848D6FCE7FA2@partners.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.2.0.10] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2011 19:20:33.0603 (UTC) FILETIME=[BABAD930:01CC61C9] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: How to allow Amanda to install as operator? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:50:10 -0000 Hi! I'm trying to upgrade my Amanda installation from a v2.6 to v3.2 via po= rts. I had configured Amanda previously to be installed as the user `operat= or`. The upgraded version wants to install as the user `amanda`; however th= is presents all kinds of problems: - the `amanda` user has no home directory, one is needed to put the access= file in - I already have all of the directories set up as owned by operator - I have a number of clients that are all set up to allow operator to acce= ss them, but not "amanda". I have tried setting AMANDA_USER and AMANDA_GROUP to be `operator`, but thi= s then complains that `operator` is not found in `/usr/ports/GIDs` and `/us= r/ports/UIDs`. Since these are part of the base system, I don't want to mes= s with them, so I groveled through the .mk files, and determined that I sho= uld be able to provide my own user and group files by setting the GID_FILES= and UID_FILES environment variable. I tried this. I created the necessary files (greping out the data from /etc= /passwd and /etc/group), put them in the same directory as GIDs and UIDs, a= nd ran the make command: GID_FILES=3D"/usr/ports/OP_GROUP" UID_FILES=3D"/usr/ports/OP_USER" AMANDA_= USER=3D"operator" AMANDA_GROUP=3D"operator" make install This runs along for a while, then dies with the note: ** /usr/ports/OP_GROUP doesn't exist. Exiting. *** Error code 1 If I do a `less /usr/ports/OP_GROUP` (copying exactly from the error messag= e), I can see the file I created just fine. Is there something that I'm missing? How am I supposed to install a port as= a user that already exists? Why doesn't make see that the file exists? Thanks, Ricky The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error and the e-ma= il contains patient information, please contact the Partners Compliance HelpLi= ne at http://www.partners.org/complianceline . 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User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: "questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: How to allow Amanda to install as operator? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:29:29 -0000 On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 07:20:32PM +0000, Morse, Richard E.MGH thus spake: >Hi! I'm trying to upgrade my Amanda installation from a v2.6 to v3.2 via ports. I had configured Amanda previously to be installed as the user `operator`. The upgraded version wants to install as the user `amanda`; however this presents all kinds of problems: > - the `amanda` user has no home directory, one is needed to put the access file in > - I already have all of the directories set up as owned by operator > - I have a number of clients that are all set up to allow operator to access them, but not "amanda". > >I have tried setting AMANDA_USER and AMANDA_GROUP to be `operator`, but this then complains that `operator` is not found in `/usr/ports/GIDs` and `/usr/ports/UIDs`. Since these are part of the base system, I don't want to mess with them, so I groveled through the .mk files, and determined that I should be able to provide my own user and group files by setting the GID_FILES and UID_FILES environment variable. > >I tried this. I created the necessary files (greping out the data from /etc/passwd and /etc/group), put them in the same directory as GIDs and UIDs, and ran the make command: > > GID_FILES="/usr/ports/OP_GROUP" UID_FILES="/usr/ports/OP_USER" AMANDA_USER="operator" AMANDA_GROUP="operator" make install > >This runs along for a while, then dies with the note: > > ** /usr/ports/OP_GROUP doesn't exist. Exiting. > *** Error code 1 > > >If I do a `less /usr/ports/OP_GROUP` (copying exactly from the error message), I can see the file I created just fine. > >Is there something that I'm missing? How am I supposed to install a port as a user that already exists? Why doesn't make see that the file exists? > >Thanks, >Ricky > > If you update your portstree, this should be fixed now. I notificed crees@ and he committed to UIDs/GIDs the operator user and group, so they may be used for installing. -jgh -- Jason Helfman System Administrator experts-exchange.com http://www.experts-exchange.com/M_4830110.html E4AD 7CF1 1396 27F6 79DD 4342 5E92 AD66 8C8C FBA5 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 20:31:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B72CD106564A for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:31:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BED08FC12 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:31:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so1468582iye.17 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:31:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=XYviuy907OKdTYdtuNBi2EkmmFlT0cgLQe4JRh6uBS8=; b=LFtOrFaBRVV3GtfS9cF9xhjKFNhYNGiD03ySM6pK/uFygDneIy6Kr4pi9JkiPvjR70 jYEztRNImSiOid9bX7xmdX7r+V2uJGla4ajzi6VBJPgDXmwjJXYpSi1eTA0xX6dPZPhK mqTD/3GRmiT+TShgMQqR1kQvfaDawpUNGZJro= Received: by 10.231.4.99 with SMTP id 35mr8360983ibq.85.1314129725139; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:02:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.42.4 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:01:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Rees Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 21:01:35 +0100 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Morse, Richard E.MGH" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: How to allow Amanda to install as operator? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:31:31 -0000 Please CC me in replies, this was passed on to me by someone subscribed. "Morse, Richard E.MGH" wrote: > Hi! I'm trying to upgrade my Amanda installation from a v2.6 to v3.2 via > ports. I had configured Amanda previously to be installed as the user > `operator`. The upgraded version wants to install as the user `amanda`; > however this presents all kinds of problems: > - the `amanda` user has no home directory, one is needed to put th= e > access file in > - I already have all of the directories set up as owned by operato= r > - I have a number of clients that are all set up to allow operator= to > access them, but not "amanda". > > I have tried setting AMANDA_USER and AMANDA_GROUP to be `operator`, but t= his > then complains that `operator` is not found in `/usr/ports/GIDs` and > `/usr/ports/UIDs`. Since these are part of the base system, I don't want = to > mess with them, so I groveled through the .mk files, and determined that = I > should be able to provide my own user and group files by setting the > GID_FILES and UID_FILES environment variable. > > I tried this. I created the necessary files (greping out the data from > /etc/passwd and /etc/group), put them in the same directory as GIDs and > UIDs, and ran the make command: > > GID_FILES=3D"/usr/ports/OP_GROUP" UID_FILES=3D"/usr/ports/OP_USER" > AMANDA_USER=3D"operator" AMANDA_GROUP=3D"operator" make install > > This runs along for a while, then dies with the note: > > ** /usr/ports/OP_GROUP doesn't exist. Exiting. > *** Error code 1 > > > If I do a `less /usr/ports/OP_GROUP` (copying exactly from the error > message), I can see the file I created just fine. > > Is there something that I'm missing? How am I supposed to install a port = as > a user that already exists? Why doesn't make see that the file exists? > Update your ports tree and try again. Let me know if it doesn't work! http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/cvs-ports/2011-August/224032.html Chris --=20 Chris Rees =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| FreeBSD Developer crees@FreeBSD.org =A0 | http://people.freebsd.org/~crees From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 21:11:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC33106566B for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 21:11:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from REMORSE@PARTNERS.ORG) Received: from phsmgmx12.partners.org (phsmgmx12.partners.org [155.52.251.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125F78FC0C for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 21:11:33 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsUDAD4QVE6Et4IpkWdsb2JhbABCp2UUAQEBARQSFCWBQAEBAQEDAQI3PxACAQgYHhAfCQolAgQOh3q9Q4VpXwSLYIUphyaLZA Received: from phsxcon3.partners.org ([132.183.130.41]) by phsmgmx12-out.partners.org with ESMTP; 23 Aug 2011 16:42:41 -0400 Received: from PHSXMB44.partners.org ([172.27.31.7]) by PHSXCON3.partners.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 23 Aug 2011 16:42:41 -0400 Received: from PHSX10HT2.partners.org ([172.27.168.178]) by PHSXMB44.partners.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 23 Aug 2011 16:42:41 -0400 Received: from PHSX10MB1.partners.org ([169.254.1.185]) by PHSX10HT2.partners.org ([172.27.168.178]) with mapi id 14.01.0289.001; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 16:42:41 -0400 From: "Morse, Richard E.MGH" To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Thread-Topic: How to allow Amanda to install as operator? Thread-Index: AQHMYc91BsLoGOnPnEGpz1eRAh825pUrKdUA Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:42:40 +0000 Message-ID: <4169877D-ADC9-4647-AFBE-78C409156EDF@partners.org> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.2.0.10] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <92E1CA7B5370F24584EC0F9D52D6D3E4@partners.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2011 20:42:41.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[3400FCB0:01CC61D5] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Chris Rees Subject: Re: How to allow Amanda to install as operator? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 21:11:34 -0000 On Aug 23, 2011, at 4:01 PM, Chris Rees wrote: > "Morse, Richard E.MGH" wrote: >> GID_FILES=3D"/usr/ports/OP_GROUP" UID_FILES=3D"/usr/ports/OP_USER" >> AMANDA_USER=3D"operator" AMANDA_GROUP=3D"operator" make install >>=20 >> This runs along for a while, then dies with the note: >>=20 >> ** /usr/ports/OP_GROUP doesn't exist. Exiting. >> *** Error code 1 >>=20 >>=20 >> If I do a `less /usr/ports/OP_GROUP` (copying exactly from the error >> message), I can see the file I created just fine. >>=20 >> Is there something that I'm missing? How am I supposed to install a port= as >> a user that already exists? Why doesn't make see that the file exists? >>=20 >=20 > Update your ports tree and try again. Let me know if it doesn't work! >=20 > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/cvs-ports/2011-August/224032.html Thanks! This change made the install happen OK. I am still wondering if there was something I should have done to make over= riding GID_FILES and UID_FILES work? Thanks, Ricky The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error and the e-ma= il contains patient information, please contact the Partners Compliance HelpLi= ne at http://www.partners.org/complianceline . If the e-mail was sent to you in e= rror but does not contain patient information, please contact the sender and pro= perly dispose of the e-mail. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 22:30:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8D2106566B for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:30:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 339698FC1A for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:30:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so1777197iye.17 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:30:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=dxX9Z3Q0xlfNvswg/qPM0W02QaDFUVvfQr6c6AjKBR0=; b=w2AEEvm+v3LOC8YQ2DlC3d4gCgOeZKVyuLIpHglgOEFLWVhcbdzeVz/l9TU/oN0N6T BITyuao5oQMJz1nWOTGgh+uq8j/SWCHmnJWoDH6y0Xt/pfDQqtt6HiuBw+CKyYf8uGiB 4F55vl0EYbE3TxZdoGf833u9igDyBSzD6xTtc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.56.75 with SMTP id x11mr8486551ibg.98.1314138635625; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.42.4 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.42.4 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:30:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4169877D-ADC9-4647-AFBE-78C409156EDF@partners.org> References: <4169877D-ADC9-4647-AFBE-78C409156EDF@partners.org> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 23:30:35 +0100 Message-ID: From: Chris Rees To: "Morse, Richard E.MGH" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: How to allow Amanda to install as operator? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:30:36 -0000 On 23 Aug 2011 21:42, "Morse, Richard E.MGH" wrote: > > On Aug 23, 2011, at 4:01 PM, Chris Rees wrote: > > > "Morse, Richard E.MGH" wrote: > >> GID_FILES="/usr/ports/OP_GROUP" UID_FILES="/usr/ports/OP_USER" > >> AMANDA_USER="operator" AMANDA_GROUP="operator" make install > >> > >> This runs along for a while, then dies with the note: > >> > >> ** /usr/ports/OP_GROUP doesn't exist. Exiting. > >> *** Error code 1 > >> > >> > >> If I do a `less /usr/ports/OP_GROUP` (copying exactly from the error > >> message), I can see the file I created just fine. > >> > >> Is there something that I'm missing? How am I supposed to install a port as > >> a user that already exists? Why doesn't make see that the file exists? > >> > > > > Update your ports tree and try again. Let me know if it doesn't work! > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/cvs-ports/2011-August/224032.html > > Thanks! This change made the install happen OK. > > I am still wondering if there was something I should have done to make overriding GID_FILES and UID_FILES work? > Lose the quotes ;) Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 23:22:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78A5106566B for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 23:22:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhall@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1g.socket.net [216.106.88.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988AA8FC0A for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 23:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [216.106.88.17]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DD5524592C for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:22:39 -0500 (CDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jhall@socket.net X-Apparently-from: jhall@mail.socket.net X-Remote-Host: 208.64.51.10 User-Agent: Socket WebMail Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:22:39 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20110823232242.B78A5106566B@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Racoon to Cisco ASA 5505 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jhall@socket.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 23:22:42 -0000 I have run into a weird situation, and I do not know if the problem lies on my side of the connection or my vendors. The tunnel comes up only after the vendor sends traffic to me. My side of the tunnel shows up and using tcpdump, I see packets flowing out the correct interface, to the correct IP address, but nothing is returned until the device(s) behind the vendor's ASA attempt to send traffic to me. Attached is the relevant output from setkey -DP 10.129.10.0/24[any] 192.168.100.0/22[any] any out ipsec esp/tunnel/1.1.1.1-2.2.2.2/use spid=357 seq=7 pid=12885 refcnt=1 10.129.80.0/24[any] 192.168.100.0/22[any] any out ipsec esp/tunnel/1.1.1.1-2.2.2.2/use spid=359 seq=6 pid=12885 refcnt=1 10.129.20.0/24[any] 192.168.100.0/22[any] any out ipsec esp/tunnel/1.1.1.1-2.2.2.2/use spid=361 seq=5 pid=12885 refcnt=1 10.129.30.0/24[any] 192.168.100.0/22[any] any out ipsec esp/tunnel/1.1.1.1-2.2.2.2/use spid=363 seq=4 pid=12885 refcnt=1 10.129.40.0/24[any] 192.168.100.0/22[any] any out ipsec esp/tunnel/1.1.1.1-2.2.2.2/use spid=365 seq=3 pid=12885 refcnt=1 10.129.60.0/24[any] 192.168.100.0/22[any] any out ipsec esp/tunnel/1.1.1.1-2.2.2.2/use spid=367 seq=2 pid=12885 refcnt=1 10.129.50.0/24[any] 192.168.100.0/22[any] any out ipsec esp/tunnel/1.1.1.1-2.2.2.2/use spid=369 seq=1 pid=12885 refcnt=1 10.129.70.0/24[any] 192.168.100.0/22[any] any out ipsec esp/tunnel/1.1.1.1-2.2.2.2/use spid=371 seq=0 pid=12885 refcnt=1 192.168.100.0/22[any] 10.129.10.0/24[any] any in ipsec esp/tunnel/2.2.2.2-1.1.1.1/use spid=358 seq=18 pid=12885 refcnt=1 192.168.100.0/22[any] 10.129.80.0/24[any] any in ipsec esp/tunnel/2.2.2.2-1.1.1.1/use spid=360 seq=17 pid=12885 refcnt=1 192.168.100.0/22[any] 10.129.20.0/24[any] any in ipsec esp/tunnel/2.2.2.2-1.1.1.1/use spid=362 seq=16 pid=12885 refcnt=1 192.168.100.0/22[any] 10.129.30.0/24[any] any in ipsec esp/tunnel/2.2.2.2-1.1.1.1/use spid=364 seq=15 pid=12885 refcnt=1 192.168.100.0/22[any] 10.129.40.0/24[any] any in ipsec esp/tunnel/2.2.2.2-1.1.1.1/use spid=366 seq=14 pid=12885 refcnt=1 192.168.100.0/22[any] 10.129.50.0/24[any] any in ipsec esp/tunnel/2.2.2.2-1.1.1.1/use spid=368 seq=13 pid=12885 refcnt=1 192.168.100.0/22[any] 10.129.60.0/24[any] any in ipsec esp/tunnel/2.2.2.2-1.1.1.1/use spid=370 seq=12 pid=12885 refcnt=1 192.168.100.0/22[any] 10.129.70.0/24[any] any in ipsec esp/tunnel/2.2.2.2-1.1.1.1/use spid=372 seq=11 pid=12885 Following are the entries from racoon.conf. The padding, etc. was left at the default. remote anonymous { exchange_mode main,base,aggressive; # exchange_mode main,passive; doi ipsec_doi; proposal_check obey; situation identity_only; mode_cfg on; my_identifier address ; # certificate_type x509 "my.cert.pem" "my.key.pem"; # nonce_size 16; # initial_contact on; proposal_check obey; # obey, strict, or claim lifetime time 86400 secs; proposal { encryption_algorithm 3des; hash_algorithm sha1; authentication_method pre_shared_key; dh_group 2; } } sainfo anonymous { pfs_group 2; encryption_algorithm 3des; lifetime time 28800 secs; authentication_algorithm hmac_sha1, hmac_md5; compression_algorithm deflate; } I am using anonymous because, if I am reading the logs right, that is being requested. I am using a PF firewall with pass in quick and pass out quick rules. This is just for testing and will be tightened later. What additional information is needed? Thanks in advance for all your help. Jay From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 24 01:49:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 810E7106564A for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 01:49:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1-6.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463E08FC12 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 01:49:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a] (saphire3.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7O1nDrp093813; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 21:49:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-ID: <4E545899.6090800@sentex.net> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 21:49:13 -0400 From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jhall@socket.net References: <20110823232242.B78A5106566B@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20110823232242.B78A5106566B@hub.freebsd.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Racoon to Cisco ASA 5505 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 01:49:16 -0000 On 8/23/2011 7:22 PM, jhall@socket.net wrote: > I have run into a weird situation, and I do not know if the problem lies > on my side of the connection or my vendors. > > The tunnel comes up only after the vendor sends traffic to me. My side of > the tunnel shows up and using tcpdump, I see packets flowing out the > correct interface, to the correct IP address, but nothing is returned > until the device(s) behind the vendor's ASA attempt to send traffic to me. > > Attached is the relevant output from setkey -DP > > 10.129.10.0/24[any] 192.168.100.0/22[any] any > out ipsec > esp/tunnel/1.1.1.1-2.2.2.2/use > spid=357 seq=7 pid=12885 > refcnt=1 > 10.129.80.0/24[any] 192.168.100.0/22[any] any > out ipsec > esp/tunnel/1.1.1.1-2.2.2.2/use > spid=359 seq=6 pid=12885 > refcnt=1 > > I am using anonymous because, if I am reading the logs right, that is > being requested. > > I am using a PF firewall with pass in quick and pass out quick rules. > This is just for testing and will be tightened later. > > What additional information is needed? > pfctl -d and then try just to totally rule out pf. Also, which pf its helpful to always log everything, including pass as it helps in to narrow down issues. If its still not working, show the output of the tunnel coming up when the other side initiates the tunnel and then show the tcdump of when you try and initiate it. tcpdump -s0 -vvv -ni port 500 I find wireshark helpful in these cases as it nicely decodes what options are being set. Your racoon conf is set to obey. Its possible they are proposing something different to you that you accept, where as what you are proposing might not be acceptable ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 24 04:39:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B003106564A for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 04:39:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timp87@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C816F8FC08 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 04:39:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so2644722iye.17 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 21:39:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=T+rvViS6vTX8lUNK6ybogK/gRA7/6B6rIlms7Y1HFn8=; b=oFB+8vRDjczAv01G+3e2dUCt9MeVf3FysjI34xjWCURIi6LbqdHtOGRIpT1aHXh41r EUrTGr/BG7kDiI+NMgR7CBgvKuWmC+a0nHZJSTxIQ/L+YJD3F5f/XZ6TbyWWaLM8IfoB N+lv3HH9DqxvydBxIQNQhchGHPQNUxlZm0/eo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.62.149 with SMTP id x21mr9239825ibh.96.1314160776985; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 21:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.36.66 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 21:39:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E53FF3B.40606@unsane.co.uk> References: <20110823173943.0f17d4c5@mr12941> <4E53FF3B.40606@unsane.co.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:39:36 +0400 Message-ID: From: Pavel Timofeev To: Vincent Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Patrick Lamaiziere , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can carp(4) run daemons or scripts? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 04:39:38 -0000 Big thanks! I'll stop on carp and devd! I think such example (from your link) must be in handbook. Because it's goo= d native solution from base system. Or at least link from carp section to devd section. Who do I need to write with this idea? 2011/8/23 Vincent Hoffman > On 23/08/2011 17:21, Pavel Timofeev wrote: > > Oh, thank you very much! > > I didn't know about ifstated. I'll try it. > > > >> Also may be with devd > > How? What do you mean? > devd is the freebsd device state change daemon, it will track device > state changes and you can tell it to act on them. > A quick google for devd and carp gives > http://blather.michaelwlucas.com/archives/224 > which looks like it covers the kind of thing you want. > > Vince > > > > > 2011/8/23 Patrick Lamaiziere > > > >> Le Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:50:43 +0400, > >> Pavel Timofeev a =C3=A9crit : > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >>> Can carp(4) run daemons or scripts when backup server come into the > >>> work? As I know ucarp and heartbeat can do this. > >> No, carp only works at the interface level. In ports you will find > >> ifstated(8) (from OpenBSD). It can react to a change on an > >> interface and run tests. > >> > >> Also may be with devd, but imo ifstated will do the trick. > >> > >> Regards. > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 24 06:50:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B9A106566C for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 06:50:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mihamina@rktmb.org) Received: from smtp-out.orange.net (out2.laposte.net [193.251.214.119]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E17E8FC13 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 06:50:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from meplus.info (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6501.orange.lu (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D3F803800068 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:34:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6501.orange.lu (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C1CE93800132 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:34:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.111] (unknown [41.190.237.66]) by mwinf6501.orange.lu (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 336203800068 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:34:05 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20110824063406210.336203800068@mwinf6501.orange.lu Message-ID: <4E549B5D.4080807@rktmb.org> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:34:05 +0300 From: Mihamina Rakotomandimby User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110801 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-me-spamlevel: not-spam Subject: to come from Linux to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 06:50:56 -0000 Hi all, I am from Linux (Debian & Ubuntu) and I will have to intensively use FreeBSD on servers (DNS, Database, Routing...) I would like to install a FreeBSD on my laptop (Dell Inspiron, or some Asus not defined yet) and then virtualize a lot (KVM seems OK) in order to get used. For the install on a laptop: If my Wifi chipset is ever unsupported is it probably the same status if I try to switch to a FreeBSD derivative? Or more precisely: What FreeBSD derivative would you recommend if wanting to have a usable laptop that can virtualize several flavors of FreeBSD derivatives? Thank you all. -- RMA. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 24 07:54:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5A7106566C for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 07:54:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B858FC0C for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 07:54:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-72-156.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.72.156]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317AB3D7A4 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:54:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7O7sQgw017190 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:54:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:54:26 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Questions Message-Id: <20110824095426.d6e1aa8a.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: PCI TV card with bktr kernel device X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 07:54:29 -0000 In the past years, I could use a very simple PCI TV card with FreeBSD. It's a Haupauge WinTV supported by the bktr driver (BT878) that I've always included in my system kernel. I have copied this from my previous configuration: # TV device bktr options BROOKTREE_SYSTEM_DEFAULT=BROOKTREE_PAL options BKTR_USE_PLL options BKTR_GPIO_ACCESS options BKTR_USE_FREEBSD_SMBUS I also paid attention to include this which I think was a requirement: # System management bus device smbus device iicbus device iicsmb device iicbb device iic Sadly, the kernel of 8.2-STABLE doesn't successfully compile with those settings, Those are the errors reported when building the kernel: ===> bktr (obj) ===> bktr/bktr (obj) [...] ===> bktr (depend) ===> bktr/bktr (depend) [...] cc -c -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -march=prescott -std=c99 -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -nostdinc -I. -I/usr/src/sys -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/altq -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c cc1: warnings being treated as errors /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c: In function 'bti2c_smb_callback': /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:131: warning: implicit declaration of function 'mtx_lock' /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:131: warning: nested extern declaration of 'mtx_lock' /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:131: error: 'Giant' undeclared (first use in this function) /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:131: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:131: error: for each function it appears in.) /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:136: warning: implicit declaration of function 'mtx_unlock' /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:136: warning: nested extern declaration of 'mtx_unlock' /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c: In function 'bti2c_iic_callback': /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:168: error: 'Giant' undeclared (first use in this function) /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c: In function 'bti2c_iic_reset': /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:195: error: 'Giant' undeclared (first use in this function) /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c: In function 'bti2c_iic_setsda': /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:208: error: 'Giant' undeclared (first use in this function) /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c: In function 'bti2c_iic_setscl': /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:225: error: 'Giant' undeclared (first use in this function) /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c: In function 'bti2c_iic_getsda': /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:243: error: 'Giant' undeclared (first use in this function) /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c: In function 'bti2c_write': /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:260: error: 'Giant' undeclared (first use in this function) /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c: In function 'bti2c_smb_readb': /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:330: error: 'Giant' undeclared (first use in this function) *** Error code 1 There were no problems on 5.x and 7.x with this kind of configuration. Is this also a functionality that is not present anymore, or am I missing some change that has to be made on current 8.x systems? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 24 07:58:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521DB106564A for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 07:58:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27D08FC08 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 07:58:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-72-156.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.72.156]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1C43D9E0 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:58:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7O7wffJ020122 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:58:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:58:41 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Questions Message-Id: <20110824095841.0f614b67.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Printing from Opera X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 07:58:43 -0000 I'm currently trying to get my printing subsystem working again. Luckily I can use a networked office-class printer that does understand PS; it's a HP Laserjet 4000 duplex (networked, has parallel, no USB). On installing Opera, I encountered the following dialog: +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Options for opera 11.50 | | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | [X] CUPS Enable support for printing (requires CUPS) | | <=== | | [X] VIDEO Enable support for HTML5 video (requires GStreamer) | | | | [ ] GTK Use GTK backend | | | | [ ] KDE4 Use KDE4 backend | | +-+----------------------------------------------------------------+-+ | [ OK ] Cancel | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ What does this mean? Do I read that correctly? In order to print from Opera, you _need_ to use CUPS? Oh come on! Honestly! In the past it was possible to print without that stuff! Really... "modern" software seems to get worse and worse... But back on topic. Because of the printer I use, I do not have any _need_ for printer filters (like apsfilter or gs), and surely I do not need a system that mimics the strange "Windows" ways of handling the printer. I did not install CUPS, and therefore the Opera printing dialog did not show any printer to use. Not even the system's standard printer (handled by lpr and printcap) was listed. I can use it from everywhere - except from Opera. So I took some time to install CUPS and all the parts that come with it (Gutenprint, foomatic, hpijs, hplip, all the stuff I don't even know what it is). Configuring took some time, but now it prints from Gimp, from the command line, from gv, from xpdf - just as it should be (and as it was without CUPS before). But not from Opera. Sometimes a job is listed in the lpq output, sometimes not. But nothing is received by the printer. And even if I defined "Laserjet" to be CUPS's default printer, Opera's default is "Laserjet-nodup" (same configuration, just with duplexer disabled). For further testing today, I had to re-install the printer in CUPS again because the settings didn't survive a reboot. Oh wow... My question to the list now: Did anybody get Opera working with CUPS or (better) without it? Maybe did I miss something important at installation time? A first idea for a workaround: Opera can print to a file. This is the default PS output. What about creating a file that can be put into the "Print to file" dialog, but this file is not a file, it somehow transfers the data written to it to the system's lpr standard input, just as if you would do "ls | lpr"? I have "named pipe" in mind, but I'm almost sure that is _not_ what I need. Does anyone have some pointers what I should read to get that working, if possible? Or am I thinking into the wrong direction? Installed stuff: opera-11.50 opera-linuxplugins-11.50 cups-1.4.6 cups-base-1.4.6_5 cups-client-1.4.6 cups-image-1.4.6 cups-pstoraster-8.15.4_6 gutenprint-cups-5.2.4_2 As I said, printing worked from everywhere - at least yesterday it did. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 24 08:41:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E14A1065703 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:41:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC088FC12 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from russet.local (reflex.squiz.co.uk [83.217.109.164]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7O8fDDH026776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:41:14 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p7O8fDDH026776 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1314175274; bh=l3ZqXkjo+kfE7+gXOXZybBuTnrDIhAU7urXsdjPz6HE=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4E54B929.5010801@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20W ed,=2024=20Aug=202011=2009:41:13=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20rv:6.0)=20Gecko/201 10812=20Thunderbird/6.0|MIME-Version:=201.0|To:=20Mihamina=20Rakot omandimby=20|CC:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.o rg|Subject:=20Re:=20to=20come=20from=20Linux=20to=20FreeBSD|Refere nces:=20<4E549B5D.4080807@rktmb.org>|In-Reply-To:=20<4E549B5D.4080 807@rktmb.org>|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.3.1|Content-Type:=20multipa rt/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"applicatio n/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig23808149BB 6DA7B3C0DA2C21"; b=CobMrqcq9ocRWZsWPYrWYNsqnEW2nAIYoRa4xrnmCSCRQ6IORdsnCm4WKkfBj+gYZ u/pm5xUcWVxb1L3LNXdW06krYF7A6sdL/5XKtfo+VInwEebyeJWZNMbOAMWw2aNEWS ENkJr2iMwL3HL3Sp3rrxv0rhBuAbpg+DHgkwbyko= X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host reflex.squiz.co.uk [83.217.109.164] claimed to be russet.local Message-ID: <4E54B929.5010801@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:41:13 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mihamina Rakotomandimby References: <4E549B5D.4080807@rktmb.org> In-Reply-To: <4E549B5D.4080807@rktmb.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig23808149BB6DA7B3C0DA2C21" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.2 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: to come from Linux to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:41:18 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig23808149BB6DA7B3C0DA2C21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 24/08/2011 07:34, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: > I am from Linux (Debian & Ubuntu) and I will have to intensively use > FreeBSD on servers (DNS, Database, Routing...) >=20 > I would like to install a FreeBSD on my laptop (Dell Inspiron, or some > Asus not defined yet) and then virtualize a lot (KVM seems OK) in order= > to get used. >=20 > For the install on a laptop: > If my Wifi chipset is ever unsupported is it probably the same status i= f > I try to switch to a FreeBSD derivative? >=20 > Or more precisely: What FreeBSD derivative would you recommend if > wanting to have a usable laptop that can virtualize several flavors of > FreeBSD derivatives? Probably start by installing PC-BSD -- that's based on FreeBSD but tailored to providing the sort of desktop environment you'ld want on a laptop. Virtualization is actually a bit of a tricky thing with FreeBSD. There's Jail, which is excellent -- very light weight, but it only works with FreeBSD guests. There's VirtualBox, but that runs the guest OSes as a standard client application and it tends to be slow, or there's Xen, where dom0 support by FreeBSD is in the works, but probably not good enough for production use yet. Running FreeBSD as a guest under most virtualization software works well -- it's fine with Linux KVM for instance. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig23808149BB6DA7B3C0DA2C21 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5UuSkACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwbaACfQG54H3nJ9pbnFnLCgVOpm7EX pT4An2oMo0BFkWcCJZYUaj/s3XwzYXf7 =ZDWf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig23808149BB6DA7B3C0DA2C21-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 24 08:56:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B51F106564A for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:56:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mihamina@rktmb.org) Received: from smtp-out.orange.net (out2.laposte.net [193.251.214.119]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3628FC15 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:56:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from meplus.info (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6502.orange.lu (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 837DE380009B for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:56:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6502.orange.lu (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 71DF938000C7 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:56:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.111] (unknown [41.190.237.66]) by mwinf6502.orange.lu (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D635F380009B for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:56:17 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20110824085618877.D635F380009B@mwinf6502.orange.lu Message-ID: <4E54BCB0.70808@rktmb.org> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:56:16 +0300 From: Mihamina Rakotomandimby User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110801 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4E549B5D.4080807@rktmb.org> <4E54B929.5010801@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4E54B929.5010801@infracaninophile.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-me-spamlevel: not-spam Subject: Re: to come from Linux to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:56:22 -0000 On 08/24/2011 11:41 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > Probably start by installing PC-BSD -- that's based on FreeBSD but > tailored to providing the sort of desktop environment you'ld want on a > laptop. I made search before posting and it also seems a good directoin to take. > Virtualization is actually a bit of a tricky thing with FreeBSD. > There's Jail, which is excellent -- very light weight, but it only works > with FreeBSD guests. That will be alright for experimenting FreeBSD and learning. Will I be able to jail a FreeBSD within a PC-BSD host? > There's VirtualBox, but that runs the guest OSes > as a standard client application and it tends to be slow, Mmmh, even on Linux I dont really like VirtualBox. I'd rather KVM. > or there's > Xen, where dom0 support by FreeBSD is in the works, but probably not > good enough for production use yet. According to http://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/Xen, I think I could be able to use Xen for learning purpose. I used some Xen 3.0.x on Linux a long time ago then switched to KVM. What about http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/BSD? Some users in here? It's just to use a PCBSD as host, then virtualize some Linuxes or Windows for presentation purposes (not production). The FreeBSDs will be "jailed". > Running FreeBSD as a guest under most virtualization software works well > -- it's fine with Linux KVM for instance. Thank you. -- RMA. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 24 08:59:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A30B106566C for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:59:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37668FC0C for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:59:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-64-49.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.64.49]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p7O8xkJE027387; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:59:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <4E54BD82.508@bananmonarki.se> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:59:46 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110821 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <20110824095426.d6e1aa8a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110824095426.d6e1aa8a.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: PCI TV card with bktr kernel device X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:59:53 -0000 2011-08-24 09:54, Polytropon skrev: > In the past years, I could use a very simple PCI TV card > with FreeBSD. It's a Haupauge WinTV supported by the > bktr driver (BT878) that I've always included in my > system kernel. I have a winfast tv2000 > I have copied this from my previous configuration: > > # TV > device bktr > options BROOKTREE_SYSTEM_DEFAULT=BROOKTREE_PAL > options BKTR_USE_PLL > options BKTR_GPIO_ACCESS > options BKTR_USE_FREEBSD_SMBUS I don't have any of that. > I also paid attention to include this which I think > was a requirement: > > # System management bus > device smbus > device iicbus > device iicsmb > device iicbb > device iic None of it. The only thing I have is bktr_load="YES" in /boot/loader.conf. Running 8.2-STABLE #0 AMD64 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 24 09:23:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24C92106566B for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:23:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0C58FC14 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:23:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vhoffman.lon.namesco.net (lon.namesco.net [195.7.254.102]) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7O9NqF7032055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:23:52 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <4E54C328.5000202@unsane.co.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:23:52 +0100 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110823173943.0f17d4c5@mr12941> <4E53FF3B.40606@unsane.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Can carp(4) run daemons or scripts? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:23:54 -0000 On 24/08/2011 05:39, Pavel Timofeev wrote: > Big thanks! I'll stop on carp and devd! > I think such example (from your link) must be in handbook. Because it's good > native solution from base system. > Or at least link from carp section to devd section. > Who do I need to write with this idea? Too late :) I should have looked here first but i just did a quick Google. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/disks-hast.html You could suggest on freebsd-doc@ to have a link from the carp section though. Vince > > 2011/8/23 Vincent Hoffman > >> On 23/08/2011 17:21, Pavel Timofeev wrote: >>> Oh, thank you very much! >>> I didn't know about ifstated. I'll try it. >>> >>>> Also may be with devd >>> How? What do you mean? >> devd is the freebsd device state change daemon, it will track device >> state changes and you can tell it to act on them. >> A quick google for devd and carp gives >> http://blather.michaelwlucas.com/archives/224 >> which looks like it covers the kind of thing you want. >> >> Vince >> >>> 2011/8/23 Patrick Lamaiziere >>> >>>> Le Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:50:43 +0400, >>>> Pavel Timofeev a écrit : >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>>> Can carp(4) run daemons or scripts when backup server come into the >>>>> work? As I know ucarp and heartbeat can do this. >>>> No, carp only works at the interface level. In ports you will find >>>> ifstated(8) (from OpenBSD). It can react to a change on an >>>> interface and run tests. >>>> >>>> Also may be with devd, but imo ifstated will do the trick. >>>> >>>> Regards. >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 24 10:24:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B65C1065672 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:24:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dick@nagual.nl) Received: from smtpq3.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq3.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.166]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86F08FC12 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:24:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.42.136] (helo=smtp5.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq3.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QwAdT-0007Qo-TJ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:24:39 +0200 Received: from 524944af.cm-4-2b.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([82.73.68.175] helo=mail.nagual.nl) by smtp5.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QwAdP-0006XC-I3 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:24:35 +0200 Received: from [192.168.11.34] (192.168.11.34) by yanta (Axigen) with (CAMELLIA256-SHA encrypted) ESMTPSA id 1E183E; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:25:50 +0200 Message-ID: <4E54D165.7090202@nagual.nl> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:24:37 +0200 From: Dick Hoogendijk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4E549B5D.4080807@rktmb.org> <4E54B929.5010801@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4E54B929.5010801@infracaninophile.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AxigenSpam-Level: 4 X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1QwAdP-0006XC-I3 X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: geen spam, SpamAssassin (niet cached, score=0.977, vereist 5, BAYES_00 -1.90, CM_META_TB_NOARR 0.50, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, KHOP_DYNAMIC 0.73, RDNS_DYNAMIC 0.98) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: dick@nagual.nl X-Spam-Status: No Subject: Re: to come from Linux to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:24:42 -0000 Op 24-8-2011 10:41, Matthew Seaman schreef: > Virtualization is actually a bit of a tricky thing with FreeBSD. > There's Jail, which is excellent -- very light weight, but it only > works with FreeBSD guests. There's VirtualBox, but that runs the guest > OSes as a standard client application and it tends to be slow VirtualBox is absolutely not slow. At least not on Solaris nor on windows7 boxes. The VB support from FreeBSD is not that good imho. It is a lot easier to get it going under linux, windows or solaris. I know, fbsd packages do not exist. I wonder why... > Running FreeBSD as a guest under most virtualization software works well This is very true, I agree. I've set up a ZFS root system with four disks lately to try out before doing so on rela hardware and it worked very very well. Dick From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 24 10:55:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C0E1065673 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:55:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rodperson@rodperson.com) Received: from www6.pairlite.com (www6.pairlite.com [64.130.10.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21298FC0A for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:55:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CCBH-194.acct.upmchs.net (inetnar10x.ft28.upmc.edu [128.147.28.1]) by www6.pairlite.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A5F02B803; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 06:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 06:55:34 -0400 From: Rod Person To: Polytropon Message-Id: <20110824065534.9f50178f.rodperson@rodperson.com> In-Reply-To: <20110824095841.0f614b67.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20110824095841.0f614b67.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i686-pc-mingw32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Printing from Opera X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:55:36 -0000 On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:58:41 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > My question to the list now: > > Did anybody get Opera working with CUPS or (better) > without it? Maybe did I miss something important at > installation time? > I've been printing from Opera using this method http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/481/ Since you have a good printer that doesn't need a CUPS you probably can skip that and just make sure tp have the correct /etc/printcap -- Rod From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 24 11:48:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 957C9106566B for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:48:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266438FC0C for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:48:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (pD9FBEA0B.dip.t-dialin.net [217.251.234.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p7OBmsxZ028440 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:48:55 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p7OBmbR8003481 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:48:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7OBmUYo003209 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:48:36 GMT (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201108241148.p7OBmUYo003209@fire.js.berklix.net> to: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:24:37 +0200." <4E54D165.7090202@nagual.nl> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:48:30 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Subject: Re: to come from Linux to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:48:57 -0000 Hi, Reference: > From: Dick Hoogendijk > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:24:37 +0200 > Message-id: <4E54D165.7090202@nagual.nl> Dick Hoogendijk wrote: > Op 24-8-2011 10:41, Matthew Seaman schreef: > > > Virtualization is actually a bit of a tricky thing with FreeBSD. > > There's Jail, which is excellent -- very light weight, but it only > > works with FreeBSD guests. There's VirtualBox, but that runs the guest > > OSes as a standard client application and it tends to be slow > > VirtualBox is absolutely not slow. At least not on Solaris nor on > windows7 boxes. The VB support from FreeBSD is not that good imho. It is > a lot easier to get it going under linux, windows or solaris. I know, > fbsd packages do not exist. I wonder why... > > > Running FreeBSD as a guest under most virtualization software works well > > This is very true, I agree. I've set up a ZFS root system with four > disks lately to try out before doing so on rela hardware and it worked > very very well. I was reading I think it was nebsd-users@betbsd.org a few days back, quite an interesting thread about para-virtualization support, it seems NetBSD may have more support support there &/or with Xen. Best check for yourself though, I'm just a reader. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; Indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 24 12:33:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB9391065673 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:33:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B8E8FC1A for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:33:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyh15 with SMTP id 15so1032428wyh.13 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 05:33:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GZNjTjdMaYb9R5DO7qfr4shfQG/FgiMgs6qzneuqEe8=; b=HDXHLsN1nu9E1tt2thvZLfhadwYbAAYejTlSVwDWsXGsNXlUHNKgtxa5t8b+5xMvZk 9XYwOLKTB17BhH/W3AR+hGPGNkKsXUQWNmrOW5y7QwGcKWdpCSzhRcw2jxfXkzDMPtII KVrq7O3CzlyI5AyEJJQ+eLpuw5gWROBZAJUF0= Received: by 10.227.55.137 with SMTP id u9mr201928wbg.43.1314189237201; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 05:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id eq21sm799704wbb.52.2011.08.24.05.33.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 24 Aug 2011 05:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:33:52 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110824133352.0668ce0a@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <201108241148.p7OBmUYo003209@fire.js.berklix.net> References: <4E54D165.7090202@nagual.nl> <201108241148.p7OBmUYo003209@fire.js.berklix.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: to come from Linux to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:33:58 -0000 On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:48:30 +0200 Julian H. Stacey wrote: > I was reading I think it was nebsd-users@betbsd.org a few days back, > quite an interesting thread about para-virtualization support, > it seems NetBSD may have more support support there &/or with Xen. IIRC the Xen project itself provided host support for NetBSD because of its portability. It allows guest OSs to run on platforms that they don't natively support. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 24 13:25:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF3C01065686 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:25:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mihamina@rktmb.org) Received: from smtp-out.orange.net (out2.laposte.net [193.251.214.119]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB5A8FC0C for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:25:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from meplus.info (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6502.orange.lu (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 23EE7380012C for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:25:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6502.orange.lu (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 12B07380016F for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:25:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.111] (unknown [41.190.237.66]) by mwinf6502.orange.lu (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 87734380012C for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:25:10 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20110824132510554.87734380012C@mwinf6502.orange.lu Message-ID: <4E54FBB4.7020308@rktmb.org> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:25:08 +0300 From: Mihamina Rakotomandimby User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110801 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4E54D165.7090202@nagual.nl> <201108241148.p7OBmUYo003209@fire.js.berklix.net> <20110824133352.0668ce0a@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20110824133352.0668ce0a@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-me-spamlevel: not-spam Subject: Re: to come from Linux to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:25:13 -0000 On 08/24/2011 03:33 PM, RW wrote: >> > I was reading I think it wasnebsd-users@betbsd.org a few days back, >> > quite an interesting thread about para-virtualization support, >> > it seems NetBSD may have more support support there&/or with Xen. > > IIRC the Xen project itself provided host support for NetBSD because of > its portability. It allows guest OSs to run on platforms that they > don't natively support. In my particular case, I think if I must use NetBSD to virtualize a FreeBSD, it's cheaper (in time) to stick with Linux and launch a KVM with FreeBSD inside. Am I wrong? -- RMA. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 24 14:52:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B7A71065670 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:52:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8B28FC1E for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:52:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxe4 with SMTP id 4so1340115fxe.13 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 07:52:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=xY/JvaO4MZJ/OUGoN/QJkMn397RQmVrXJ1s1RxICPJ8=; b=I5IO7q8jf+RK+xngimKik2D4wsg+pLuuW/4wqbvbUaucHtepuW/wb4HFZ54zcBkzM2 rmiqZJnjZSjJ1pfeGnFe5xEWGUEidvGPiAcF/Xv2B4+VlQpdG10u5PpyqG5rhs7fTjcj hanJYIfWZbaFH/2o30bSUyW7RSA8ct56bR6b0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.71.155 with SMTP id h27mr7298417faj.126.1314197547970; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 07:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.120.72 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 07:52:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E54FBB4.7020308@rktmb.org> References: <4E54D165.7090202@nagual.nl> <201108241148.p7OBmUYo003209@fire.js.berklix.net> <20110824133352.0668ce0a@gumby.homeunix.com> <4E54FBB4.7020308@rktmb.org> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:52:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Mihamina Rakotomandimby Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: to come from Linux to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:52:29 -0000 On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: > In my particular case, I think if I must use NetBSD to virtualize a > FreeBSD, it's cheaper (in time) to stick with Linux and launch a KVM with > FreeBSD inside. > Virtualbox isn't slow when compared against XEN, it's rather the other way around(depending on the nature of VM load). http://www.ilsistemista.net/index.php/virtualization/1-virtual-machines-performance-comparison.html?start=18 I think you'd find Vbox to be very much on par with KVM although there are a few of the extension features not available when using FreeBSD as the host OS e.g. hi speed usb, not sure if the pci-passthrough works with 4 on FreeBSD. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 24 15:09:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D011065674 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:09:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4BDF8FC0A for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:09:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-72-156.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.72.156]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34E43FB5E; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:09:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7OF9e3q001876; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:09:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:09:40 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Rod Person Message-Id: <20110824170940.4cd812d2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110824065534.9f50178f.rodperson@rodperson.com> References: <20110824095841.0f614b67.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110824065534.9f50178f.rodperson@rodperson.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Printing from Opera X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:09:44 -0000 On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 06:55:34 -0400, Rod Person wrote: > On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:58:41 +0200 > Polytropon wrote: > > My question to the list now: > > > > Did anybody get Opera working with CUPS or (better) > > without it? Maybe did I miss something important at > > installation time? > > > > I've been printing from Opera using this method > http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/481/ Which version of Opera are you using? I have 11.50/1047 installed; the page you refered to states: Opera for Linux uses Qt to handle the printing. Qt looks in /etc/printcap for available printers, so make sure your printers are listed there. Printers are listed, but they don't appear in the "Printers" list. Then: If you are having problems printing, try adding a custom printer under the "Options" tab in File > Print. This is not possible, as the Options tab doesn't have any function to add a printer. This is what it looks like: +-------------- Print --------------+ | _________ | |_Destination____| Options |________| | | | Paper and Orientation | | A4 (210 x 297 mm) v | | Portrait v | | | | Scale print to 100% v | | [J] Fit to paper width | | | | [ ] Print page background | | [ ] Print headers and footers | | | | Color | | ( ) Print in color if available | | (o) Print in grayscale | | | | Page margins (in centimeters) | | Top 1.00 Bottom 1.00 | | Left 1.00 Right 1.00 | |___________________________________| | | | [ Print] [ Cancel ] [ Apply ] | +-----------------------------------+ There is no means to add a printer. I also checked the Registry... erm... the Configuration editor "opera:config", with the search string "print". Even though the key "PrinterName" is defined as $PRINTER, which points to "Laserjet" (the default printer queue that all other programs can use too), there is no command that could be entered (like "lpr -PLaserjet"), sonsisting of a printer program and a parameter, as described in the article mentioned on top. > Since you have a good printer that doesn't need a CUPS you probably can > skip that and just make sure tp have the correct /etc/printcap I have a correct /etc/rintcap for more than 20 years now, and I never encountered such a situation that cannot be explained or understood... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 24 16:53:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E52C106566B for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:53:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rodperson@rodperson.com) Received: from www6.pairlite.com (www6.pairlite.com [64.130.10.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA378FC14 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:53:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CCBH-194.acct.upmchs.net (inetnar10x.ft28.upmc.edu [128.147.28.1]) by www6.pairlite.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 53DE9B803; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:54:01 -0400 From: Rod Person To: Polytropon Message-Id: <20110824125401.fda42141.rodperson@rodperson.com> In-Reply-To: <20110824170940.4cd812d2.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20110824095841.0f614b67.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110824065534.9f50178f.rodperson@rodperson.com> <20110824170940.4cd812d2.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i686-pc-mingw32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Printing from Opera X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:53:49 -0000 On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:09:40 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > > Which version of Opera are you using? I have 11.50/1047 > installed; the page you refered to states: I have 10.x and Opera-Next installed. > If you are having problems printing, try adding > a custom printer under the "Options" tab in > File > Print. > > This is not possible, as the Options tab doesn't have > any function to add a printer. This is what it looks > like: Sorry, I know Opera-Next does not have this option, but I though the 11.x did. What if you change Dialog Toolkit to 3 in Opera:config, which will give you the KDE type dialogs? -- Rod ============================================================================== This is email was sent by me for the purposes of not promoting global corporations or mindlessness. If you can't figure out how to read the reply, stop being a moron and think...hint how do you normally read a book, magazine or such. Wake the fuck up and think. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 24 17:44:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1027106566C for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:44:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 822648FC13 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:44:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 25898 invoked by uid 0); 24 Aug 2011 17:44:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2011 17:44:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=UVIZB3NPrcstC4mORKOknvynckTNJHuXmuIqq9dFQKE=; b=P7+ioeSuAgvrIGf3arcei1fp67WMvtrIIypqwfs9BaxGmWEriy/Q0XbuVnBHSjAHtjWEdOCtZo/nBax2/dZzggmr0aUBEjS9tTNLEVSCCHli85x11L8NYuREw3/qdVPf; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1QwHVR-00069k-Vg for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:44:51 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:26:39 -0600 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:26:39 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110824172639.GB39921@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4E549B5D.4080807@rktmb.org> <4E54B929.5010801@infracaninophile.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="QTprm0S8XgL7H0Dt" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E54B929.5010801@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: to come from Linux to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:44:51 -0000 --QTprm0S8XgL7H0Dt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 09:41:13AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: >=20 > Probably start by installing PC-BSD -- that's based on FreeBSD but > tailored to providing the sort of desktop environment you'ld want on a > laptop. That's a pretty broad statement. You might want to include another "probably" in there somewhere, perhaps between "you'd" and "want", because there are many people who would not actually like the PC-BSD environment on a laptop (including me). --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --QTprm0S8XgL7H0Dt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk5VNE8ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWh1ACfV7uvxdZ348zC6byozuCwg+QN t6UAoNbNJkkl7Ig/lTngIvXJxV+GDarY =SDas -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --QTprm0S8XgL7H0Dt-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 24 17:45:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267BE1065672 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:45:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DB8058FC22 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:45:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 10768 invoked by uid 0); 24 Aug 2011 17:45:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2011 17:45:52 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=asW6eDf0N1orR4MIDyjA8YuLn6cywtaF1fSmx8oIxnQ=; b=kTGHUUsa8Kr7b99/4h64wL6lLSJspYRPnyGLstbTMn8Dfb4+sgExbmqcdNmxi9eCE9SbapatCVgaCdvNBUYPKwc/Bh23E8xz/S98U5MQuZoEIPYeVoZsDhh9T+FH64gP; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1QwHWR-0007uf-8d for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:45:52 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:27:41 -0600 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:27:41 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110824172741.GC39921@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4E549B5D.4080807@rktmb.org> <4E54B929.5010801@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4E54BCB0.70808@rktmb.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oTHb8nViIGeoXxdp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E54BCB0.70808@rktmb.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: to come from Linux to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:45:53 -0000 --oTHb8nViIGeoXxdp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:56:16AM +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: > On 08/24/2011 11:41 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > > > >Virtualization is actually a bit of a tricky thing with FreeBSD. > >There's Jail, which is excellent -- very light weight, but it only works > >with FreeBSD guests. >=20 > That will be alright for experimenting FreeBSD and learning. > Will I be able to jail a FreeBSD within a PC-BSD host? Yes, you should be able to do so. PC-BSD is basically just FreeBSD with a lot of extra stuff pre-configured. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --oTHb8nViIGeoXxdp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk5VNI0ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKU19QCglA3GvzZTDK5iRAZrje210bQP HwUAoL5spqq3E31dMK0XLfIbOAaj35zS =bIZI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oTHb8nViIGeoXxdp-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 24 18:34:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B957106564A for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 18:34:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAFAE8FC1A for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 18:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QwIHK-0000T0-N2 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:34:18 +0200 Received: from c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com ([82.209.158.57]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:34:18 +0200 Received: from mc by c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:34:18 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Cardell Widerkrantz Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:34:01 +0200 Organization: Temple of the Moby Hack Lines: 39 Message-ID: <86wre2zmjq.fsf@brain.hack.org> References: <20110805191214.GA19848@kar.user-mode.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (berkeley-unix) Cancel-Lock: sha1:JL+lF3xXbZYkdq5j+qu9qukJbpg= Subject: Re: Alternative windowmanagers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 18:34:20 -0000 Christian Barthel , 2011-08-05 21:12 (+0200): > What is your window manager? Obviously, I use x11-wm/mcwm. More about it here, including a screenshot: http://hack.org/mc/hacks/mcwm/ Be sure to update your ports tree before installing so you get the latest version. Or download the latest tarball from the website. Or use git. mcwm is a minimalist stacking window manager based on the X C Binding (XCB) library, the new (well...) Xlib replacement. mcwm doesn't use Xlib at all. The window manager never draws anything: no window decorations, no menus, no nothing. Windows still get a thin 1 pixel frame as a feature of the X protocol. Configurable. Good keyboard control, including moving and resizing. You will feel right at home if you have played Nethack. Virtual workspaces are supported. Switching is fast even on slow machines. RANDR is supported. mcwm knows about different physical screens. On this machine (an ARM based netbook from Genesi) mcwm uses 668 kBytes resident memory. Before writing mcwm I had a period when I was using evilwm, which shows quite a bit in the key bindings of mcwm, and before that I was mainly a CTWM user. I was also using 9wm for a while, way back, mostly on the X terminal standing next to the real Plan 9 box in my office. -- http://hack.org/mc/ Use plain text e-mail, please. HTML messages silently dropped. OpenPGP welcome, 0xE4C92FA5. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 24 21:35:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F90A106566B for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:35:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from osp@aloha.com) Received: from mail006.50.12.a.static.mtka.securence.com (mail006.50.12.A.static.MTKA.securence.com [216.17.12.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AAA58FC08 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:35:29 +0000 (UTC) received: from usi-web13-mtka.usinternet.com. (216.17.1.153) by mta15.mtka.securence.com (securence); wed, 24 aug 2011 16:21:02 -0500 (cdt) Received: from webmail.pixi.com (webmail.pixi.com [216.17.1.156]) by usi-web13-mtka.usinternet.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id p7OLKgR1011852 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:20:47 -0500 Message-Id: <201108242120.p7OLKgR1011852@usi-web13-mtka.usinternet.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: osp@aloha.com Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:20:47 HST X-Posting-IP: 141.190.32.9 X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.2.19 x-securence-id: 1314220862307-015-03228688 x-securence-country-code: us - united states x-securence-odset: main.outbound.usinternet.com x-securence-tls-suite-incoming: tls_dhe_rsa_with_aes_256_cbc_sha x-securence-remote-host: usi-web13-mtka.usinternet.com. x-securence-remote-addr: 216.17.1.153 x-securence-rfc2821-mail-from: osp@aloha.com x-securence-pp1t: 0 x-securence-trat: 1 x-securence-omc: 0 x-securence-tsist: 2 x-securence-urt: 101 x-securence-art: 0 x-securence-drt: 102 x-securence-info: d41; 0orl0; 95otrp0; 19opp10; 82osrb481; 29ous1360; 30oavs0; 0ovxr0; 100oclm101; 99ocom0; 100obsp0; 0ovrc0; 99ophc0; 1isd0; 99dds0; 100domsplt0; 0vac0; 100dogp0; 0med0; 100fsqd0; 2fsdd0; 98dod0; 0dds0; 99domsplt0; 100vac0; 1dogp0; 1med0; 21fsqd0; 84fsdd0; 94dod0; 3cld0; 98lrd0; 4dlv1; dmqq48; s404; t404 x-securence-defer-note-1: attempted to deliver at 2011-08-24 16:21:06 (cdt) x-securence-defer-note-2: attempted to deliver at 2011-08-24 16:22:27 (cdt) x-securence-defer-note-3: attempted to deliver at 2011-08-24 16:24:27 (cdt) x-securence-defer-note-4: attempted to deliver at 2011-08-24 16:28:27 (cdt) X-Securence-Latseq: <15-1314220864918> Subject: portupgrade 2.4.9.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:35:30 -0000 I too am stuck in ruby-portupgrade swamp :-) After a fresh install of FreeBSD 8.2 I built potupgrade, then did a portsnap and a portupgrade -a, in preparation to install Gnome2. When it stopped I followed the instructions in UPDATING, but when I try to upgrade portupgrade it fails because it cannot find the first server listed and the only other one, ftp.freebsd.org, does not have pkgtools- 2.4.9.3.tar.bz2. I verified by manual ftp connection. Do I just wait for ftp.freebsd.org to sync, or does someone need to do something? Thanks for all that you do!! Gary Dunn Honolulu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 24 21:48:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E4151065673 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:48:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rodperson@rodperson.com) Received: from www6.pairlite.com (www6.pairlite.com [64.130.10.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF2D8FC12 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:48:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from atomizer (pool-72-77-28-206.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net [72.77.28.206]) by www6.pairlite.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5D183B803; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:48:40 -0400 From: Rod Person To: Polytropon Message-Id: <20110824174840.249a71b6.rodperson@rodperson.com> In-Reply-To: <20110824125401.fda42141.rodperson@rodperson.com> References: <20110824095841.0f614b67.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110824065534.9f50178f.rodperson@rodperson.com> <20110824170940.4cd812d2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110824125401.fda42141.rodperson@rodperson.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Printing from Opera X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:48:39 -0000 On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:54:01 -0400 Rod Person wrote: > On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:09:40 +0200 > Polytropon wrote: > > > > Which version of Opera are you using? I have 11.50/1047 > > installed; the page you refered to states: > > I have 10.x and Opera-Next installed. Out of curiosity, when I got how I fired up Opera 11.50 and took these screen shots. You can see that I have a Print to LPR option and you can set the command line. But it seem it does stay saved and you have to type in the command every time. Dialog: http://rodperson.com/DL/2011-08-24-174109_1680x1050_scrot.png Version Info: http://rodperson.com/DL/2011-08-24-174126_1680x1050_scrot.png Dialog Toolkit setting: http://rodperson.com/DL/2011-08-24-174152_1680x1050_scrot.png -- Rod Person http://www.rodperson.com When you step on some toes and offend people you're a radical these days... And people's toes are very long -aap From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 24 23:16:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067E01065678 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 23:16:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1B88FC16 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 23:16:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywo32 with SMTP id 32so1484229ywo.13 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.137.6 with SMTP id p6mr35000ybn.264.1314227801990; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from papi.localnet ([186.212.135.235]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p7sm101394ybd.27.2011.08.24.16.16.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:16:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:16:36 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.2-STABLE; KDE/4.6.2; amd64; ; ) References: <201108241148.p7OBmUYo003209@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: <201108241148.p7OBmUYo003209@fire.js.berklix.net> X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201108242016.37102.lobo@bsd.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: to come from Linux to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 23:16:43 -0000 On Wednesday 24 August 2011 08:48:30 Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Hi, > > Reference: > > From: Dick Hoogendijk > > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:24:37 +0200 > > Message-id: <4E54D165.7090202@nagual.nl> > > Dick Hoogendijk wrote: > > Op 24-8-2011 10:41, Matthew Seaman schreef: > > > Virtualization is actually a bit of a tricky thing with FreeBSD. > > > There's Jail, which is excellent -- very light weight, but it only > > > works with FreeBSD guests. There's VirtualBox, but that runs the guest > > > OSes as a standard client application and it tends to be slow > > > > VirtualBox is absolutely not slow. At least not on Solaris nor on > > windows7 boxes. The VB support from FreeBSD is not that good imho. It is > > a lot easier to get it going under linux, windows or solaris. I know, > > fbsd packages do not exist. I wonder why... > > I don't know how you guys have been installing Virtualbox on FreeBSD but I have been using it since 3.x.x, Always compiling it from ports (using 4.1.2 now), almost without glitch. The "almost" is on account of a long gone bug with nvidia driver versions 1.7.something. Nothing to do with VB. After that, no glitches anymore. As how it runs on my 8-STABLE amd64, I've been able to compare it to vmware and hiper-v and as far as running the same things on the 3 of them, to me, VBox outperformed both in terms of speed and responsiveness. All 3 are pretty stable and hiper-v needs a monster machine to run, contrary to VB and VW. I have linux (fedora, centos and ubuntu), OS-x (hackintosh and SL), Os/2, Android, Xp (32/64),Win 2003 and win7 (32/64) vms, all jumping from VB version to VB version, all without a single glitch, and all performing better with each new version. I went as far as installing a background VB Xp vm on my firewall (which is a small FBSD 8-STABLE i386 ) for application testing purposes. I can't say how VB runs on huge environments because I don't have access to any. As for support for VB in general, just stay tunned to VBox-users-community@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vbox-users-community and vbox-dev@virtualbox.org http://vbox.innotek.de/mailman/listinfo/vbox-dev and http://forums.virtualbox.org/ I'm sure anyone will find all questions answered. and specific to FreeBSD. Bernhard Froehlich has been doing a wonderful job, constantly updating the VB ports. Check out https://svn.bluelife.at/index.cgi/blueports under emulators. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 00:25:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10141065670 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 00:25:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobledb@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933408FC13 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 00:25:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywo32 with SMTP id 32so1527435ywo.13 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:25:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:x-google-sender-delegation:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qXRsBvrYyVnHBWVjBbx04TZ2tCQhTNiXbe63LYmNGno=; b=LyHfHLHQxkron7qsXIxm35dRFW8+EZJ/uC4IK+Gz8KZyh93ZwGVjIEhSP2Y9KfWZLf 30ctkfFOTk63iytY0BR2/XpBQhg9DTY4hm0929MQR5Mo1HkQNJTlUwL6vs3yQUXLD1Ff BajGpfYKD8l5Bp5XZpm1XhX9vdQSAOQ63rKUU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.197.4 with SMTP id s4mr34323392yhn.95.1314231949894; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Sender: netsys.h@gmail.com X-Google-Sender-Delegation: netsys.h@gmail.com Received: by 10.236.203.129 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 01:25:49 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7UcIgziyHAjVGeX1_nV1c_l-Gac Message-ID: From: Alvaro Castillo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Dvorak keyboard (Spanish) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 00:25:50 -0000 Can add Dvorak spanish variant for syscons? http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archivo:Teclado_Dvorak_Espa=F1ol.png Cheers! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------- netSys------ http://www.byteandbit.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 02:02:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F41091065680 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 02:02:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from antiequality@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4D08FC0C for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 02:02:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwi36 with SMTP id 36so1861927wwi.31 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 19:02:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SXAJD1oCnROUDMzCh62Hj2A7sD6sQNclrHimvber0LU=; b=f811ork5EoA+WIsfI6IbMFZWK1LicNacxGoiQooeUR7Ldm9Tlwq5SSGraCub2GA+Wq dmHxIddZF8DUGGFN02FEk8Df1ZDCNOf2ztdcrH6HOmzqL5nz8HML3T7Iqr9G/d8BGoQf Lire7FenEyVEi3m4eP2RJTt51mbBeY5QipcYo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.133.8 with SMTP id p8mr58257wei.75.1314237738261; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 19:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.66.201 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 19:02:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <16851_1313817220_4E4F4284_16851_6517_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C521886E@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: <16851_1313817220_4E4F4284_16851_6517_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C521886E@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:02:18 -0500 Message-ID: From: Evan Busch To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 02:02:20 -0000 I didn't expect this much response. Some interesting stuff: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 1:49 AM, Test Rat wrote: > > There is an ongoing discussion on arch@ about this. > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2011-August/011412.html This is an excellent discussion. Thank you. On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Dave Pooser wrote: > > My own take: > > 1) I really don't see the Handbook as all that great. It's Every professional documentarian I've encountered agrees with you. It's inconsistent, wordy, and has no concept of the order of introduction of its concepts. No professional software package would ship with documentation this bad. The multiple grammatical errors only enhance the sense of its fundamentally confused nature as a document. On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > Well, in _this_ area, I would also agree that work should be > done to concentrate documentation, e. g. make an "essence" from > knowledge and examples in mailing lists, web forums and so on. > But there are too many of them, and you simply cannot put all > the possible things into "the one documentation" project. This isn't as big of a project as you make it seem. In fact, it will reduce your workload and that of your users. I think the comments above provide a good starting point for actual discuss= ion. As far as people proving my point about the BSD community being reactionary= : (1) This is a good discussion. Thank you for mentioning it. On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Odhiambo Washington w= rote: > > That whole paragraph is some irrelevant assertion. (2) On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Open Slate Project wrote: > > Perhaps you would be happier at an Apple Store. (3) On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 7:30 AM, Hasse Hansson wro= te: > Happy Trolling :-) (4) On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Michael Sierchio wrot= e: > > Are you lazy, or stupid? man freebsd-update (5) On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 1:31 PM, mikel king wrote: > > I do not think it is worth wasting important list bandwidth on your flame= fodder. These angry non-sequiturs just reek of defensiveness. I think I predicted these behaviors when I spoke of "cliques" and the nasty, elitist side of geek culture. On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:13 AM, Gary Gatten wrote: > Well.... =A0This should spawn some interesting responses. =A0I shall sit = back and enjoy.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Evan Busch [mailto:antiequality@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 11:47 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: A quality operating system > > Hi, > > I make decisions about hardware and software for those who work with me. > > Talking with my second in command this morning, we reached a quandary. > Ron is completely pro-Linux and pro-Windows, and against FreeBSD. > > What is odd about this is that he's the biggest UNIX fanatic I know, > not only all types of UNIX (dating back quite some time) but also all > Unix-like OSen. > > I told him I was considering FreeBSD because of greater stability and sec= urity. > > He asked me a question that stopped me dead: > > "What is a quality operating system?" > > > In his view, and now mine, a quality operating system is reliable, > streamlined and clearly organized. > > Over the past few years, FreeBSD has drifted off-course in this > department, in his view. > > Let me share the points he made that I consider valid (I have deleted > two as trivial, and added one of my own): > > (1) Lack of direction. > > FreeBSD is still not sure whether it is a desktop OS, or a server OS. > It is easy for the developers to say "well, it's whatever you want," > but this makes the configuration process more involved. This works > against people who have to use these operating systems to get anything > done. > > In his view, a crucial metric here is the ability to estimate time > required for any task. It may be a wide window, but it should not be > as wide as "anywhere from 30 minutes to 96 hours." In his experience, > FreeBSD varies widely on this front because in the name of keeping > options open, standardization of interface and process has been > deprecated. > > (2) Geek culture. > > Geek culture is the oldest clique on the internet. Their goal is to > make friends with no one who is not like them. As a result, they > specialize in the arcane, disorganized and ambiguous. This forces > people to go through the same hoops they went through. This makes them > happy, and drives away people who need to use operating systems to > achieve real-world results. They reduce a community to hobbyists only. > > (3) Horrible documentation. > > This is my specialty and has been since the early 1980s. The FreeBSD > documentation is wordy, disorganized, inconsistent and highly > selective in what it mentions. It is not the product of professionals > but it also not the product of volunteers with a focus on > communication. It seems pro-forma, as in, "it's in the documentation, > so don't bother me." The web site compounds this error by pointing us > in multiple directions instead of to a singular resource. It is bad > enough that man pages are separate from your main documentation tree, > but now you have doubled or trebled the workload required of you > without any benefit to the end user. > > (4) Elitism. > > To a developer, looking at some inconsistent or buggy interface and > thinking, "If they can't do this, they don't belong using FreeBSD > anyway" is too easy of a thought. Yet it looks to me like this happens > quite a bit, and "this is for the elite" has become the default > orientation. This is problematic in that there are people out there > who are every bit as smart as you, or smarter, but are not specialized > in computers. They want to use computers to achieve results; you may > want to play around with your computer as an activity, but that is not > so for everyone. > > (5) Hostile community. > > For the last several weeks, I have been observing the FreeBSD > community. Two things stand out: many legitimate questions go ignored, > and for others, response is hostile resulting in either incorrect > answers, haughty snubs, and in many cases, a refusal to admit when the > problem is FreeBSD and not the user. In particular, the community is > oblivious to interfaces and chunks of code that have illogical or > inconsistent interfaces, are buggy, or whose function does not > correspond to what is documented (even in the manpages). > > (6) Selective fixes. > > I am guilty of this too, sometimes, but when you hope to build an > operating system, it is a poor idea. Programmers work on what they > want to work on. This leaves much of the unexciting stuff in a literal > non-working state, and the entire community oblivious to it or > uncaring. As Ron detailed, huge parts of FreeBSD are like buried land > mines just waiting to detonate. They are details that can invoke that > 30 minute to 96 hour time period instantly, usually right before you > need to get something done. > > (7) Disorganized website. > > The part of the FreeBSD project that should set the tone for the > community, the FreeBSD website, reflects every one of these > criticisms. It is inconsistent and often disorganized; there is no > clear path; resources are duplicated and squirreled away instead of > organized and made into a process for others to follow. It is arcane, > nuanced and cryptic for the purpose of keeping the community elitist, > hobbyist and hostile to outsiders. > > In addition, huge portions of it break on a regular basis and seem to > go unnoticed. The attitude of "that's for beginners, so we don't need > it" persists even there. With the graphic design of the website I have > no problem, but the arrangement of resources on it reflects a lack of > presence of mind, or paying attention to the user experience. > > > All of this adds up to a quality operating system in theory that does > not translate into quality in reality. > > You alienate users and place the burden upon them to sort through your > mess, then sneer at them. > > You alienate business, professional and artistic users with your > insistence on hobbyism. These people have full lives; 48 hour sessions > of trying to configure audio drivers, network cards or drive arrays > are not in their interest. > > Even when you get big parts of the operating system correct, it's the > thousand little details that have been forgotten, ignored or snootily > written off that add up to many hours of frustration for the end user. > This is not necessary frustration, and they get nothing out of it. It > seems to exist because of the emotional and social attitudes of the > FreeBSD team. > > > Sadly, Ron is right. FreeBSD is not right for us, or any others who > care about using an operating system as a means to an end. FreeBSD is > a hobby and you have to use it because you like using it for the > purpose of using it, and anything else will be incidental. > > That is the condition of FreeBSD now. If these criticisms were taken > seriously, I believe the situation could change, and I hope it does. > > Fondly, > Evan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > > > > > > >
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You always get what you deserve on this list. :-) No, seriously: There are participants of this list who understand complains and other statements in a critical tone as inspiration for improvement. But allow me to say that _if_ you are interested in contributing in _that_ way, you should always bring examples and name _concrete_ points you're criticizing, instead of just mentioning wide ranges of "this doesn't conform to my interpretation of what 'professional' should look like". As long as you are professional and fair, you will get a polite and substantial (!) response. > Every professional documentarian I've encountered agrees with you. > It's inconsistent, wordy, and has no concept of the order of > introduction of its concepts. No professional software package would > ship with documentation this bad. Depends. Have a look at IBM's mainframe or midrange documentation. For those who are working with this very special kind of documentation, it may appear fully understandable, helpful and direct. For hobbyists or newbies, it may look to be the complete opposite: Not understandable, no structure, way too verbose, and not helpful at all. You can also see how Sun publishes documentation for their Solaris OS. Did publish. Past tense. :-) In most cases, documentation requires you to have a minimal clue of what you're doing. There's terminology you simply have to know, and concepts to understand in order to use the documentation. Different kinds of users have different preferences. Some like to use the web, like to use Wikis and discussion boards. Others like to use structured web pages. Again, other like web pages too, but want to have as much information in _one_ (long) page. And there are those who do not want to depend on the web - those like man pages. If you're used to some specific _way_ of documentation, you will maybe value anything that's _different_ from that way as being inferior, non-professional, or less helpful. Also keep in mind that especially for developers, the SOURCE CODE also is an important piece of documentation. Here FreeBSD is very good, compared to other systems. > The multiple grammatical errors only > enhance the sense of its fundamentally confused nature as a document. Oh, then don't visit the non-english translations of the documentation. :-) > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > > > Well, in _this_ area, I would also agree that work should be > > done to concentrate documentation, e. g. make an "essence" from > > knowledge and examples in mailing lists, web forums and so on. > > But there are too many of them, and you simply cannot put all > > the possible things into "the one documentation" project. > > This isn't as big of a project as you make it seem. In fact, it will > reduce your workload and that of your users. I have worked on documentation projects (in the medical and technical sector) before, and it was relatively easy because you KNEW enough, e. g. who your clients are, how they read, what they need to know, and what they already do know, so you had a good basis for creating documentation that fits there needs. Here the "one size fits all" problem arises. It's really hard to make documentation "for everybody". What should be in there? How much detail is needed? What can the reader conclude himself? Which terminology is he already familiar with? > I think the comments above provide a good starting point for > actual discussion. It would help if you could just bring some examples for what is lacking in your opinion. > As far as people proving my point about the BSD community being reactionary: > [...] > These angry non-sequiturs just reek of defensiveness. Note the presence of ":-)" and the abilities of english native speakers who are much more able to express "between the lines" than I am, for example. > I think I predicted these behaviors when I spoke of "cliques" and the > nasty, elitist side of geek culture. You can "predict" that everywhere. Just go to any halfway specialized setting and make claims about something not meeting your requirements, telling the people they are not professional and lack the most fundamental things. Of course there will be some who thing you're just trolling them, because to _them_, that's exactly what you do, even if you have other intentions. Interpretation heavily depends on specific discussion cultures. The way you communicate on this list, for example, is very different from how you write Twitter messages, SMS, or act in a different "online community" (e. g. like WoW gamers with their terminology and "cultural techniques"). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 02:48:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6074106564A for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 02:48:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from henry.olyer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE8E8FC12 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 02:48:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyh15 with SMTP id 15so1673500wyh.13 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 19:48:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=zsSBilzlDnYPldDfQT9iOvBuuRRqFZ5SZDasiH+J10g=; b=bM8kjfI/xKJLqVuNVQgtATW/becj/kO682jxNThIDzMfMGHUzpJ/n/DiWDC1qh/X7a 1m+GhB/1qN7qst5vW41B7/f4gEcNXApOqJgVrRpYuT8FI9D5ZxS6Ip1Rlzrf06I4TtyR x70HJB8SiDzE5i0sp7l6k4NMuB5RQOO+PjH9o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.230.6 with SMTP id i6mr85112weq.80.1314240526211; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 19:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.177.69 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 19:48:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110825043208.fe201707.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <16851_1313817220_4E4F4284_16851_6517_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C521886E@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110825043208.fe201707.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:48:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: Henry Olyer To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Evan Busch , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 02:48:47 -0000 Baloney. Sure, nothing human is perfect, that includes the people behind FreeBSD and also the OS. But compared to (gasp!,) windoz and linux, (not too bad, but it's as non-secure as windoz!,) FreeBSD and OpenBSD standout for one reason, their better. I would like to see negotiate a deal to give us pre-built java-enabled browsers. A few other things, too. On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:32 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:02:18 -0500, Evan Busch wrote: > > I didn't expect this much response. > > You always get what you deserve on this list. :-) > > No, seriously: There are participants of this list who > understand complains and other statements in a critical > tone as inspiration for improvement. But allow me to say > that _if_ you are interested in contributing in _that_ > way, you should always bring examples and name _concrete_ > points you're criticizing, instead of just mentioning > wide ranges of "this doesn't conform to my interpretation > of what 'professional' should look like". > > As long as you are professional and fair, you will get > a polite and substantial (!) response. > > > > > Every professional documentarian I've encountered agrees with you. > > It's inconsistent, wordy, and has no concept of the order of > > introduction of its concepts. No professional software package would > > ship with documentation this bad. > > Depends. > > Have a look at IBM's mainframe or midrange documentation. > For those who are working with this very special kind of > documentation, it may appear fully understandable, helpful > and direct. For hobbyists or newbies, it may look to be > the complete opposite: Not understandable, no structure, > way too verbose, and not helpful at all. > > You can also see how Sun publishes documentation for their > Solaris OS. Did publish. Past tense. :-) > > In most cases, documentation requires you to have a minimal > clue of what you're doing. There's terminology you simply > have to know, and concepts to understand in order to use > the documentation. > > Different kinds of users have different preferences. Some > like to use the web, like to use Wikis and discussion boards. > Others like to use structured web pages. Again, other like > web pages too, but want to have as much information in _one_ > (long) page. And there are those who do not want to depend > on the web - those like man pages. > > If you're used to some specific _way_ of documentation, you > will maybe value anything that's _different_ from that way > as being inferior, non-professional, or less helpful. > > Also keep in mind that especially for developers, the SOURCE > CODE also is an important piece of documentation. Here FreeBSD > is very good, compared to other systems. > > > > > The multiple grammatical errors only > > enhance the sense of its fundamentally confused nature as a document. > > Oh, then don't visit the non-english translations of the > documentation. :-) > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > > > > > Well, in _this_ area, I would also agree that work should be > > > done to concentrate documentation, e. g. make an "essence" from > > > knowledge and examples in mailing lists, web forums and so on. > > > But there are too many of them, and you simply cannot put all > > > the possible things into "the one documentation" project. > > > > This isn't as big of a project as you make it seem. In fact, it will > > reduce your workload and that of your users. > > I have worked on documentation projects (in the medical and > technical sector) before, and it was relatively easy because > you KNEW enough, e. g. who your clients are, how they read, > what they need to know, and what they already do know, so > you had a good basis for creating documentation that fits > there needs. > > Here the "one size fits all" problem arises. It's really hard > to make documentation "for everybody". What should be in there? > How much detail is needed? What can the reader conclude himself? > Which terminology is he already familiar with? > > > > > I think the comments above provide a good starting point for > > actual discussion. > > It would help if you could just bring some examples for what > is lacking in your opinion. > > > > > As far as people proving my point about the BSD community being > reactionary: > > [...] > > These angry non-sequiturs just reek of defensiveness. > > Note the presence of ":-)" and the abilities of english native > speakers who are much more able to express "between the lines" > than I am, for example. > > > > > I think I predicted these behaviors when I spoke of "cliques" and the > > nasty, elitist side of geek culture. > > You can "predict" that everywhere. Just go to any halfway > specialized setting and make claims about something not > meeting your requirements, telling the people they are > not professional and lack the most fundamental things. > Of course there will be some who thing you're just trolling > them, because to _them_, that's exactly what you do, even > if you have other intentions. Interpretation heavily depends > on specific discussion cultures. The way you communicate on > this list, for example, is very different from how you > write Twitter messages, SMS, or act in a different "online > community" (e. g. like WoW gamers with their terminology > and "cultural techniques"). > > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 03:39:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70577106564A for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 03:39:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3024E8FC16 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 03:39:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-72-156.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.72.156]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EBFD3D7F8; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 05:39:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7P3dIK2089208; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 05:39:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 05:39:18 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Henry Olyer Message-Id: <20110825053918.11ad8434.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <16851_1313817220_4E4F4284_16851_6517_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C521886E@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110825043208.fe201707.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 03:39:21 -0000 On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:48:46 -0400, Henry Olyer wrote: > Sure, nothing human is perfect, that includes the people behind FreeBSD and > also the OS. And even if the OS is perfect, its 3rd party applications may be not. > But compared to (gasp!,) windoz and linux, (not too bad, but it's as > non-secure as windoz!,) FreeBSD and OpenBSD standout for one reason, their > better. In security-related settings, you're _happy_ about this attitude. If you want a special feature, you're smart enough to enable it yourself. This often is better than stuffing all the visible holes and hoping there's just a limited amount of invisible ones that don't harm your security. In most real-life cases, that's just a nice wish, but not reality. :-) > I would like to see negotiate a deal to give us pre-built java-enabled > browsers. A few other things, too. But that's where politics and lawyer-blahblah enter the field. Why is there no browser with _all_ the available plugins (and even if they just run per compatibility layer) available? Or a media player (as a package) that plays _all_ types of media? Why are non-english languages often a task with trouble? Why doesn't OpenOffice come with dictionaries? And so on. I could complain all day long. :-) People complain that some things don't work out of the box. But in many cases, the FreeBSD OS is the wrong party to address. There are other parties who are interested in _not_ allowing others to include Java, media codecs and so on in a default install, and some software manufacturers refuse to support FreeBSD (which is their right, but doesn't make it any better). The same applies to restricted support for incompatible hardware. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 04:24:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7388C106568A for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 04:24:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9668FC1D for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 04:24:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywo32 with SMTP id 32so1668644ywo.13 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.51.12 with SMTP id y12mr357741yby.33.1314246293390; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from papi.localnet ([186.212.135.235]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o9sm897966ybm.4.2011.08.24.21.24.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:24:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 01:24:51 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.2-STABLE; KDE/4.6.2; amd64; ; ) References: <16851_1313817220_4E4F4284_16851_6517_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C521886E@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201108250124.51558.lobo@bsd.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Evan Busch Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 04:24:54 -0000 Hi Evan; Please allow me some comments. On Wednesday 24 August 2011 23:02:18 Evan Busch wrote: > I didn't expect this much response. That's a bit naive and shows how much you don't know this list. > Some interesting stuff: Here, this is mostly the case. Even the trolls are so. > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 1:49 AM, Test Rat wrote: > > There is an ongoing discussion on arch@ about this. > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2011-August/011412.html > > This is an excellent discussion. Thank you. > You bet! Full of technical details and concrete arguments. > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Dave Pooser > > wrote: > > My own take: > > > > 1) I really don't see the Handbook as all that great. It's > > Every professional documentarian I've encountered agrees with you. > It's inconsistent, wordy, and has no concept of the order of > introduction of its concepts. No professional software package would > ship with documentation this bad. The multiple grammatical errors only > enhance the sense of its fundamentally confused nature as a document. > Well, I think the handbook has got its name wrong. To me, it should have been called handybook. What you're saying sounds more like you wanted the handbook to be a usage tutorial, which it's NOT what it is supposed to be. If you put micro$oft's docs into this picture, prepare you wallet for tons of books. And in microsoft's case, it has an obligation to take you by the hand, and IT DOESN'T !. I've been using FBSD since 2.2.8. When I first heard of it, I first did my homework: Googled for its history, its architecture, its inner workings, compatibility, etc.. (all of these are IN the handbook, by the way!) and opinions/usage by others. When I went to the handbook for the first time (not straight to it but by chance while googling for some "solution"), I was already a user for a good while. I already knew what FreeBSD was about, so whatever I found on the handbook was already familiar to me!. The only time I resort straight to the handbook is to the hardware compatibility list whenever I'm thinking of buying something new for the server/desktop, but BEFORE I actually buy it. For everything else, man pages and the lists are my lord and my shepard. I think Polytropon put it very well: "In most cases, documentation requires you to have a minimal clue of what you're doing. There's terminology you simply have to know, and concepts to understand in order to use the documentation." > > As far as people proving my point about the BSD community being > reactionary: > > (1) [snip..] Let's ponder over this in a rational and cold way. First: You never mentioned in your post for how long you have been using FreeBSD or if you have even used it at all, which its obvious simply by lack of specific details, so your critique looses the "by experience" tag from the start. That's a no-no for this list, which will not measure distances to help people that already tried to help themselves. Second, throughout your post, it sounds like your thoughts sprung up, not from your own quest and research, but from somebody (Ron) who "is completely pro- Linux and pro-Windows, and against FreeBSD" (hummm...) and that is "the biggest UNIX fanatic I know"(100x hummm...). And Ron's millage with FreeBSD is never mentioned also, so that kinda drops the critique's "credibility" tag to the floor. Last, suppose you issue a general invitation for people to go over to your house for a free dinner, with food that you know (because you helped in preparing it!) in your heart and taste to be excellent, well prepared and nutritious. And all of a sudden I storm at your door and yell for all the guests that already know what you know about the food, without even tasting anything, that a "very good and knowledgeable" friend of mine told me that the kitchen is as dirty as hell, the food tastes terrible and that all the guests will get diarrhea and probably die if they eat anything. What would you do? -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 04:39:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1D5106564A for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 04:39:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE93E8FC08 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 04:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-72-156.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.72.156]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9121DCAB; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:39:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7P4dsUw089368; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:39:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:39:54 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Mario Lobo Message-Id: <20110825063954.ac5b6625.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <201108250124.51558.lobo@bsd.com.br> References: <16851_1313817220_4E4F4284_16851_6517_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C521886E@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <201108250124.51558.lobo@bsd.com.br> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 04:39:57 -0000 On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 01:24:51 -0300, Mario Lobo wrote: > Well, I think the handbook has got its name wrong. To me, it should have been > called handybook. What you're saying sounds more like you wanted the handbook > to be a usage tutorial, which it's NOT what it is supposed to be. That's a valid point of view. When you compare how other publications, named "Handbook" look like e. g. in the mainframe area, you'll be surprised what "quality" they are: They're aimed at a totally different audience, and they have different concepts of how to present information. > If you put > micro$oft's docs into this picture, prepare you wallet for tons of books. And > in microsoft's case, it has an obligation to take you by the hand, and IT > DOESN'T !. Additionally, keep in mind to buy the whole set _new_ with each version of "Windows" being sold. "Windows" knowledge has the habit of not being portable, so what you knew from, let's say, almost 10 years old "Windows XP" doesn't apply in newer versions anymore. You have to relearn many things. This shows: NO kind of documentation frees you from constant learning - if you want to keep using new technology. > The only time I resort straight to the handbook is to the hardware > compatibility list whenever I'm thinking of buying something new for the > server/desktop, but BEFORE I actually buy it. Shoudln't it be mandatory to _think_ BEFORE acting in any regards? Oh sorry, I forgot: PC on, brain off. :-) > I think Polytropon put it very well: > > "In most cases, documentation requires you to have a minimal > clue of what you're doing. There's terminology you simply > have to know, and concepts to understand in order to use > the documentation." Thanks. I did have to learn this the hard way: In order to really profit from good documentation, you need to understand what it says. Even in "Windows" land, where you have to learn new and arbitrary vocabulary for established things (that everyone else can name correctly), and you have to get all the strange concepts in line, beginning with "drive letters" and ending in reboots after few changes. :-) The FreeBSD documentation even keeps that in mind: It mentions the "Windows" terms for things just in case some reader is already spoiled with those deviant terminology (e. g. when explaining what a slice is). > Second, throughout your post, it sounds like your thoughts sprung up, not from > your own quest and research, but from somebody (Ron) who "is completely pro- > Linux and pro-Windows, and against FreeBSD" (hummm...) and that is "the > biggest UNIX fanatic I know"(100x hummm...). And Ron's millage with FreeBSD is > never mentioned also, so that kinda drops the critique's "credibility" tag to > the floor. What's the word that may apply here? Prejudice? > Last, suppose you issue a general invitation for people to go over to your > house for a free dinner, with food that you know (because you helped in > preparing it!) in your heart and taste to be excellent, well prepared and > nutritious. And all of a sudden I storm at your door and yell for all the > guests that already know what you know about the food, without even tasting > anything, that a "very good and knowledgeable" friend of mine told me that the > kitchen is as dirty as hell, the food tastes terrible and that all the guests > will get diarrhea and probably die if they eat anything. > > What would you do? Wow, what a nice analogy! =^_^= -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 04:56:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785F1106564A for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 04:56:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351C98FC17 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 04:56:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QwRzh-00074j-So for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:56:45 +0200 Received: from c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com ([82.209.158.57]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:56:45 +0200 Received: from mc by c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:56:45 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Cardell Widerkrantz Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:56:29 +0200 Organization: Temple of the Moby Hack Lines: 46 Message-ID: <86sjoqrsw2.fsf@brain.hack.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (berkeley-unix) Cancel-Lock: sha1:V9JT9sU3ooAGCQx7XKfpnsGmffY= Subject: Re: Dvorak keyboard (Spanish) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 04:56:47 -0000 Alvaro Castillo , 2011-08-25 02:25 (+0200): > Can add Dvorak spanish variant for syscons? > > http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archivo:Teclado_Dvorak_Español.png Copy /usr/share/syscons/keymaps/us.dvorak.kbd to your home directory. Start the editor of your choice and edit the file to add the keys you need for a Spanish keyboard. If you're uncertain what keycode a certain key generates, use the misc/kbdscan port [1] to find out. When you're done editing load the new keyboard with kbdcontrol -l your-spanish-dvorak.kbd When you're satisfied you can copy the file to /usr/share/syscons/keymaps/ and edit rc.conf and add keymap="your-spanish-dvorak" If everything works out right you can think about using send-pr(1) or http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html and send the new keyboard layout to be included in FreeBSD. [1] I wrote the program but I didn't submit it to ports. I would have gone for the sysutils category, I think. Happy hacking, MC. -- http://hack.org/mc/ Use plain text e-mail, please. HTML messages silently dropped. OpenPGP welcome, 0xE4C92FA5. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 05:57:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F859106566B for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 05:57:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ulrich@pukruppa.de) Received: from pukruppa.de (pd95cabe3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.92.171.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867948FC1D for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 05:57:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pukruppa.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pukruppa.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7P61o5a072863; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:01:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ulrich@pukruppa.de) Message-ID: <4E55E54E.6000307@pukruppa.de> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:01:50 +0200 From: "Kruppa, Peter Ulrich" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110728 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110824095841.0f614b67.freebsd@edvax.de> <4E54E2C5.2030408@pukruppa.de> <20110824171956.56654528.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110824171956.56654528.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Printing from Opera X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 05:57:47 -0000 Sorry, I forgot to include the list - Am 24.08.2011 17:19, schrieb Polytropon: > On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:38:45 +0200, Kruppa, Peter Ulrich wrote: >> Opera really does work with Cups - you will see your printer's >> network name in the printer dialog. > > I've installed CUPS and actually _can_ see the printer > names in the dialog, but no printing takes place. > > Test: I loaded google's homepage and pressed Ctrl+P Enter. > > % lpq > HP_LaserJet_4000_Series is ready and printing > Rank Owner Job File(s) Total Size > active poly 20 Google - Opera 419840 bytes > > And few seconds later: > > % lpq > HP_LaserJet_4000_Series is ready > no entries > > But nothing appear in the printer. It works from any > other application, even from command line. > > Note that _those_ lp* tools are belonging to CUPS. Which means - you really do use /usr/local/bin/lp and removed the system's /usr/bin/lp* stuff? Just to be sure Greetings Peter. > > >> If you really want to use Cups [...] > > Want? There's no such thing as wanting in relation to CUPS. :-) > > > >> [...] you have to set it up manually > > Really? It was always advertised as doing everything totally > automatically. > > > >> - there isn't any automagic. > > It recognized the printer (by scanning the network) correctly > and did even suggest the proper driver that allows me to > enable or disable the printer's special functions, such as > which tray to use, or if to duplex. > > > >> Can you print from the command-line >> # lpr document.ps >> ? > > Without problems. Even the pre-filters do work, e. g. > > % lpr bla.c > > or even > > % lpr foo.jpg > > CUPS does the preprocessing, the printer shows "JOB PROCESSING", > loads the paper and prints - just as expected, even like > without CUPS. :-) > > (I've been using that "magic" with apsfilter before which > uses some pre-filters for various "non-printable" file > types, and then generates PCL using gs, which also allows > me to set printer-specific options.) > > Oh, and I even wrote my own "PS only" printer filters, > also using gs, and putting them into /etc/printcap does > work. > > % cat /opt/libexec/ps2pcl-dup.sh > #!/bin/sh > printf "\033&k2G" || exit 2 > gs -q -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -dPARANOIDSAFER -dSAFER -sPAPERSIZE=a4 > -r600x600 -sDEVICE=ljet4d -dDuplex=true > -sOutputFile=- -&& exit 0 > exit 2 > > Corresponding printcap entry: > > Laserjet|ljet4d;r=600x600;q=high;c=full;p=a4;m=auto:\ > :rm=192.168.100.100:\ > :rp=raw:\ > :lp=:\ > :if=/opt/libexec/ps2pcl-dup.sh:\ > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/Laserjet:\ > :lf=/var/spool/lpd/Laserjet/log:\ > :af=/var/spool/lpd/Laserjet/acct:\ > :mx#0:\ > :sh: > > Of course in _this_ case print data has to be in PS format, > but that's no problem as it is the default output format > by all the programs that intend to print. > > > -- Peter Ulrich Kruppa Wuppertal Germany From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 06:09:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2112D106564A for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:09:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9AE08FC13 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:09:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-72-156.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.72.156]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9863D954; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:09:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7P69fcJ089605; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:09:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:09:41 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Kruppa, Peter Ulrich" Message-Id: <20110825080941.dcb7c598.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4E55E54E.6000307@pukruppa.de> References: <20110824095841.0f614b67.freebsd@edvax.de> <4E54E2C5.2030408@pukruppa.de> <20110824171956.56654528.freebsd@edvax.de> <4E55E54E.6000307@pukruppa.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Printing from Opera X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:09:44 -0000 On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:01:50 +0200, Kruppa, Peter Ulrich wrote: > Sorry, I forgot to include the list - > > Am 24.08.2011 17:19, schrieb Polytropon: > > On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:38:45 +0200, Kruppa, Peter Ulrich wrote: > >> Opera really does work with Cups - you will see your printer's > >> network name in the printer dialog. > > > > I've installed CUPS and actually _can_ see the printer > > names in the dialog, but no printing takes place. > > > > Test: I loaded google's homepage and pressed Ctrl+P Enter. > > > > % lpq > > HP_LaserJet_4000_Series is ready and printing > > Rank Owner Job File(s) Total Size > > active poly 20 Google - Opera 419840 bytes > > > > And few seconds later: > > > > % lpq > > HP_LaserJet_4000_Series is ready > > no entries > > > > But nothing appear in the printer. It works from any > > other application, even from command line. > > > > Note that _those_ lp* tools are belonging to CUPS. > > Which means - you really do use /usr/local/bin/lp and removed the system's > /usr/bin/lp* stuff? > > Just to be sure Just checked again. Even though I did not have CUPS_OVERWRITE_BASE=YES in /etc/make.conf when installing cups, I renamed the system's lp* tools so those of CUPS are being used: % which lpq lpr lprm lp /usr/local/bin/lpq /usr/local/bin/lpr /usr/local/bin/lprm /usr/local/bin/lp The system's tools are out of scope now. % ls /usr/bin/lp* /usr/bin/lp.bsd /usr/bin/lpq.bsd /usr/bin/lpr.bsd /usr/bin/lprm.bsd As I made sure from various programs, CUPS _can_ actually print. It just doesn't print from Opera. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 06:53:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF38106566B for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:53:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ulrich@pukruppa.de) Received: from pukruppa.de (pd95cabe3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.92.171.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 623458FC08 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:53:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pukruppa.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pukruppa.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7P6vf0K091854; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:57:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ulrich@pukruppa.de) Message-ID: <4E55F265.1060008@pukruppa.de> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:57:41 +0200 From: "Kruppa, Peter Ulrich" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110728 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <20110824095841.0f614b67.freebsd@edvax.de> <4E54E2C5.2030408@pukruppa.de> <20110824171956.56654528.freebsd@edvax.de> <4E55E54E.6000307@pukruppa.de> <20110825080941.dcb7c598.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110825080941.dcb7c598.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Printing from Opera X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:53:37 -0000 Am 25.08.2011 08:09, schrieb Polytropon: > On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:01:50 +0200, Kruppa, Peter Ulrich wrote: >> Sorry, I forgot to include the list - >> >> Am 24.08.2011 17:19, schrieb Polytropon: >>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:38:45 +0200, Kruppa, Peter Ulrich wrote: >>>> Opera really does work with Cups - you will see your printer's >>>> network name in the printer dialog. >>> >>> I've installed CUPS and actually _can_ see the printer >>> names in the dialog, but no printing takes place. >>> >>> Test: I loaded google's homepage and pressed Ctrl+P Enter. >>> >>> % lpq >>> HP_LaserJet_4000_Series is ready and printing >>> Rank Owner Job File(s) Total Size >>> active poly 20 Google - Opera 419840 bytes >>> >>> And few seconds later: >>> >>> % lpq >>> HP_LaserJet_4000_Series is ready >>> no entries >>> >>> But nothing appear in the printer. It works from any >>> other application, even from command line. >>> >>> Note that _those_ lp* tools are belonging to CUPS. >> >> Which means - you really do use /usr/local/bin/lp and removed the system's >> /usr/bin/lp* stuff? >> >> Just to be sure > > Just checked again. Even though I did not have CUPS_OVERWRITE_BASE=YES > in /etc/make.conf when installing cups, I renamed the system's lp* > tools so those of CUPS are being used: > > % which lpq lpr lprm lp > /usr/local/bin/lpq > /usr/local/bin/lpr > /usr/local/bin/lprm > /usr/local/bin/lp > > The system's tools are out of scope now. > > % ls /usr/bin/lp* > /usr/bin/lp.bsd > /usr/bin/lpq.bsd > /usr/bin/lpr.bsd > /usr/bin/lprm.bsd > > As I made sure from various programs, CUPS _can_ actually print. > It just doesn't print from Opera. Do opera's print jobs show up in the queue (With # lpq) or via browser http://localhost:631 ? Greetings Peter. > > > -- Peter Ulrich Kruppa Wuppertal Germany From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 07:17:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F7F106566B for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:17:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6D68FC0A for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-72-156.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.72.156]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4865E3D719; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:17:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7P7HEpq096394; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:17:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:17:14 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Rod Person Message-Id: <20110825091714.adc1007f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110824174840.249a71b6.rodperson@rodperson.com> References: <20110824095841.0f614b67.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110824065534.9f50178f.rodperson@rodperson.com> <20110824170940.4cd812d2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110824125401.fda42141.rodperson@rodperson.com> <20110824174840.249a71b6.rodperson@rodperson.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Printing from Opera X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:17:17 -0000 On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:48:40 -0400, Rod Person wrote: > Out of curiosity, when I got how I fired up Opera 11.50 and took these sc= reen shots. >=20 > You can see that I have a Print to LPR option and you can set the command= line. Yes - that seems to be the KDE printing dialog. I did just rebuild Opera (which installed _lots_ of stuff, kdelibs and other KDE and Qt related things, and stuff that I've never heared of, no idea what it is and what I should need it for, e. g. Sesame, Rasqal, Soprano, Botan and Grantlee - it's just you're talking how to solve "Maniac Mansion II: Day Of The Tentacle" with a friend on a public bus!). Really, naming "modern" software products makes you sound silly. :-) > But it seem it does stay saved and you have to type in the command every = time. The standard command _is_ lpr, so this should be fine. I've tried _all_ the dialogs, going to "opera:config" Registry, and changing numerical values. The explainations for "Dialog Toolkit" are a bit scary: 0 =3D Autodetect toolkit to use for file selector 1 =3D Use Qt for file selector (dprecated, will fall back to KDE) 2 =3D Use GTK for file selector 3 =3D Use KDE for file selector 4 =3D Use X11 for file selector Note that althoug the key "Dialog Toolkit" is categorized in "File Selector", it does _also_ affect the printing dialog! Furthermore, it affects how the menus and colors look like. Oh... deprecated!!! The only file saving dialog that worked in a halfway accessible manner is now DEPRECATED! Great! I tried the Gtk file dialog, it has bad keyboard support, is slow and doesn't allow fast actions. The KDE dialog is also unusable. And if Opera starts, there are a lot of error messages related to KDE (as I'm not using it maybe?). There is no ".." entry anymore (too complicated for "average users"?), and the GTK file dialog doesn't even allow easy overwriting a file name (selection just covers prefix, not full entry). This is how it looked like in previous versions: +-------------------------- Save as ---------------------------+ | | | Look in: _#_/var/tmp_________________ [<] [^] [=B0] [::][=3D] | | | | # .. * a_saved_file.html | | # some_directory * another_file_html | | # another one | | | | File name: blabla.html_________________________ [ Save ] | | | | File type: HTML file (*.htm, *.html) [ Cancel ] | | | +--------------------------------------------------------------+ Note that the upper field can be addressed per keyboard, so you can change the path there - or you enter a path (as prefix or only entry) in the lower field. The dialog I got after installation with KDE and GTK backends _not_ selected was a poor implementation of that dialog, but it worked, even though there are strange things like Places and File system that I don't understand what they are to be used for. Waste of space on screen seems to be "modern". The old Opera 8.54 printing dialog had a tab to specify a printer program and its parameters. This seems also DEPRECATED, so if you want it, you need KDE... or what? > Dialog: > http://rodperson.com/DL/2011-08-24-174109_1680x1050_scrot.png Exactly that's what I get, and if I enter a job, it is shown for a short time in the lpq output, but the printer does not print anything. Then the queue is empty. And even as I now have those dialogs, and made all settings as one would expect, in the _result_, nothing is printed. No error messages (checked xterm calling Opera) appear. There is just one printer. It's the only one on the list. It _has_ to be manually (!) selected before I am able to send the print job. Standard procedure ^P and Enter also seems to be DEPRECATED... Summary: Printing still does not work. And file dialog got worse. I will try to make a workaround by using the "Print to file" mechanism to pipe it directly into the printer somehow. --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 07:22:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7822C106564A for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:22:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2548FC14 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:22:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-72-156.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.72.156]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D1B3D81A; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:22:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7P7MqjN097401; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:22:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:22:52 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Kruppa, Peter Ulrich" Message-Id: <20110825092252.fa8fd1f1.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4E55F265.1060008@pukruppa.de> References: <20110824095841.0f614b67.freebsd@edvax.de> <4E54E2C5.2030408@pukruppa.de> <20110824171956.56654528.freebsd@edvax.de> <4E55E54E.6000307@pukruppa.de> <20110825080941.dcb7c598.freebsd@edvax.de> <4E55F265.1060008@pukruppa.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Printing from Opera X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:22:54 -0000 On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:57:41 +0200, Kruppa, Peter Ulrich wrote: > Do opera's print jobs show up in the queue (With # lpq) or via browser > http://localhost:631 ? In both, for a very short time. The command line lpr report looks like this: % lpq HP_LaserJet_4000_Series is ready and printing Rank Owner Job File(s) Total Size active poly 20 Google - Opera 419840 bytes Then it disappears after a few seconds % lpq HP_LaserJet_4000_Series is ready no entries The printer doesn't start to print. If I try this from other programs (e. g. Gimp, the Sylpheed MUA, or OpenOffice), the entry is listed, and the printer starts to work. In the web administration, all jobs are listed as "completed", except that the Opera printing jobs didn't result in printing, while the other ones did. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 07:35:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E551065670 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:35:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mihamina@rktmb.org) Received: from slow3-v.mail.gandi.net (slow3-v.mail.gandi.net [217.70.178.89]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33FB8FC15 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:35:54 +0000 (UTC) X-WhiteListed: mail was accepted with no delay X-WhiteListed: mail was accepted with no delay Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (relay4-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.196]) by slow3-v.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B484D38F66 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:11:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Originating-IP: 217.70.178.131 Received: from mfilter11-d.gandi.net (mfilter11-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.131]) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920BD1720A2 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:11:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter11-d.gandi.net Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]) by mfilter11-d.gandi.net (mfilter11-d.gandi.net [10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uruXGrWRBPRy for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:11:21 +0200 (CEST) X-Originating-IP: 41.190.237.66 Received: from [192.168.0.111] (unknown [41.190.237.66]) (Authenticated sender: out@rktmb.org) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 730E41720BC for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:11:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E55F593.6030802@rktmb.org> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 10:11:15 +0300 From: Mihamina Rakotomandimby User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110801 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <16851_1313817220_4E4F4284_16851_6517_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C521886E@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <201108250124.51558.lobo@bsd.com.br> <20110825063954.ac5b6625.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110825063954.ac5b6625.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:35:55 -0000 On 08/25/2011 07:39 AM, Polytropon wrote: > [...] > and you have to get all > the strange concepts in line, beginning with "drive letters" > and ending in reboots after few changes.:-) > > The FreeBSD documentation even keeps that in mind: It mentions > the "Windows" terms for things just in case some reader is > already spoiled with those deviant terminology (e. g. when > explaining what a slice is). > [...] Uhuh! Just noticed it. Good tolerance point :-) -- RMA. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 07:44:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1349F106566C for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:44:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9CF8FC1A for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:44:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-72-156.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.72.156]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55AF93D520; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:44:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7P7ibaD097468; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:44:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:44:37 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Bernt Hansson Message-Id: <20110825094437.782c7023.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4E54BD82.508@bananmonarki.se> References: <20110824095426.d6e1aa8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <4E54BD82.508@bananmonarki.se> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: PCI TV card with bktr kernel device X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:44:41 -0000 On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:59:46 +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote: > The only thing I have is bktr_load="YES" in /boot/loader.conf. I've seen that the modules have been successfully built, so I did assume that _everything_ still works. But modules seem to be quite different from what is required to get things working directly inside the kernel, such as the "Giant" locking mechanism which doesn't seem to be supported anymore (according to the compiler error messages). The only thing I'm not sure is: How am I supposed to change former kernel options such as options BROOKTREE_SYSTEM_DEFAULT=BROOKTREE_PAL in order to define how the card works, as I need PAL support and not NTSC. Is there a mechanism to change this for the module? Or per loader tunable, or a sysctl? Or maybe I don't even need that setting, as it is the default? Just like A4 is the default paper size? :-) > Running 8.2-STABLE #0 AMD64 Also 8.2-STABLE here, but i386 after nVidia problems with AMD64. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Belgium BE0859635972. abuse-en@netlog.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 08:37:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C7C106566C for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:37:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78198FC13 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:37:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-72-156.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.72.156]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF243D2D9; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 10:37:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7P8bVuG000708; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 10:37:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 10:37:31 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Conrad J. Sabatier" Message-Id: <20110825103731.4cddea94.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110816141503.16603a52@serene.no-ip.org> References: <20110814032206.49ad7062.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110814025520.GA75595@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110814052211.02213877.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110814054942.5e08fb77.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110816141503.16603a52@serene.no-ip.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: System lockups in X with nVidia GeForce 7600 GS (G73) and Gtk+ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:37:34 -0000 On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:15:03 -0500, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 05:49:42 +0200 > Polytropon wrote: > > > Meanwhile, I got the "nvidia" driver compiled, installed > > and running. Tests like > > > > % xlock -nolock -mode lament > > > > or > > > > % xlock -nolock -mode fire > > > > show the FPS rate I've expected (no comparison to the 3 > > fps I got with "nv"). In "gears" there are > 5000 FPS, > > that's _magnitudes_ better than with "nv". > > Yes, the driver performs quite admirably. :-) No more gnashing my > teeth in envy of others with true hardware-accelerated drivers. I'm currently using that driver, and everything seems to work as intended. The only problem I have is that the driver has different DPI opinions as the previous ones. This makes some fonts unreadable. I found that I can easily change the Gtk+ base font by a ~/.gtkrc-2.0 with something like ``gtk-font-name="Tahoma 12"'' in it, but this of course doesn't apply everywhere. There seems to be a solution to handle DPI settings in X directly, so I put "DisplaySize 410 305" in the monitor section of xorg.conf. The monitor is an Eizo FlexScan F980 21" CRT with BNC cabling, so no autodetect magic. But some things still are wrong, maybe I should try ``Option "DPI" "96 x 96"'' in the device section - I'm not sure which values should be used, 72 or 75 or 96 or 115... Additionally, the gv program has a problem (but it already had that on _each_ of the three drivers): The keys for selecting pages are squished. This is how they should look like: http://t16web.lanl.gov/Kawano/gnuplot/intro/plotcalc7.png They are like this: +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ |* ===| | ===| | ===| | ===| | ===| |* ===| | ===| | ===| |* ===| | ===| |* ===| | ===| | ===| |* ===| | ===| | ===| +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ SHOULD like. Currently, they look like this: +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ |#####| |#####| |#####| |#####| +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ You can't tell which is which. The gv program uses Xaw3d for the display elements. Maybe nVidia is not compatible with that? Or it's also a "wrong DPI" effect? Everything else in gv works as intended. On the other hand, mplayer can now change brightness and contrast again; I have put "vo=gl" in ~/.mplayer/config and it works. :-) > > I'd like to point out that the nvidia driver comes with > > nice documentation: /usr/local/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/README > > contains lots of great stuff. > > The html version is even nicer to work with: > > file:///usr/local/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/html/index.html Thanks for the pointer, yes, that's really informative. During the near future, I'm interested in getting Twinview + Xinerama working (as I actually have _two_ 21" CRTs of the same type) and TV out working. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Sabatier" To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20110825042158.3644b0d6@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20110825103731.4cddea94.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20110814032206.49ad7062.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110814025520.GA75595@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110814052211.02213877.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110814054942.5e08fb77.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110816141503.16603a52@serene.no-ip.org> <20110825103731.4cddea94.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: System lockups in X with nVidia GeForce 7600 GS (G73) and Gtk+ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:22:14 -0000 On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 10:37:31 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:15:03 -0500, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > > > > Yes, the driver performs quite admirably. :-) No more gnashing my > > teeth in envy of others with true hardware-accelerated drivers. > > I'm currently using that driver, and everything seems to > work as intended. The only problem I have is that the > driver has different DPI opinions as the previous ones. > This makes some fonts unreadable. I found that I can > easily change the Gtk+ base font by a ~/.gtkrc-2.0 > with something like ``gtk-font-name="Tahoma 12"'' in > it, but this of course doesn't apply everywhere. Yes, I noticed this, too, as soon as I switched to using this driver. Fonts shrank all over the place. :-) I hadn't considered adjusting the DPI. That sounds like an interesting possibility. > There seems to be a solution to handle DPI settings in > X directly, so I put "DisplaySize 410 305" in the monitor > section of xorg.conf. The monitor is an Eizo FlexScan F980 > 21" CRT with BNC cabling, so no autodetect magic. But some > things still are wrong, maybe I should try ``Option "DPI" > "96 x 96"'' in the device section - I'm not sure which > values should be used, 72 or 75 or 96 or 115... > > Additionally, the gv program has a problem (but it already > had that on _each_ of the three drivers): The keys for > selecting pages are squished. > > This is how they should look like: > > http://t16web.lanl.gov/Kawano/gnuplot/intro/plotcalc7.png > > They are like this: > > +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ > |* ===| | ===| | ===| | ===| > | ===| |* ===| | ===| | ===| > |* ===| | ===| |* ===| | ===| > | ===| |* ===| | ===| | ===| > +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ > > SHOULD like. Currently, they look like this: > > +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ > |#####| |#####| |#####| |#####| > +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ > > You can't tell which is which. > > The gv program uses Xaw3d for the display elements. Maybe nVidia > is not compatible with that? Or it's also a "wrong DPI" effect? > Everything else in gv works as intended. Hmm, sorry, I don't know about that. You may find the following link helpful: http://www.retrevo.com/support/Eizo-F980-Monitors-manual/id/1360bh645/t/2/ > On the other hand, mplayer can now change brightness and contrast > again; I have put "vo=gl" in ~/.mplayer/config and it works. :-) Cool, I'll have to try that. > > > I'd like to point out that the nvidia driver comes with > > > nice documentation: /usr/local/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/README > > > contains lots of great stuff. > > > > The html version is even nicer to work with: > > > > file:///usr/local/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/html/index.html > > Thanks for the pointer, yes, that's really informative. During > the near future, I'm interested in getting Twinview + Xinerama > working (as I actually have _two_ 21" CRTs of the same type) > and TV out working. There's almost too much documentation for this driver. So much to look at and tinker with. Great fun it is, though. :-) -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 09:59:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22ABC1065676 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:59:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB028FC15 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:59:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-64-49.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.64.49]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p7P9xL9S053502; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:59:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <4E561CF9.7040401@bananmonarki.se> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:59:21 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110821 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <20110824095426.d6e1aa8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <4E54BD82.508@bananmonarki.se> <20110825094437.782c7023.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110825094437.782c7023.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: PCI TV card with bktr kernel device X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:59:31 -0000 2011-08-25 09:44, Polytropon skrev: > On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:59:46 +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote: >> The only thing I have is bktr_load="YES" in /boot/loader.conf. > > I've seen that the modules have been successfully built, so I > did assume that _everything_ still works. But modules seem to > be quite different from what is required to get things working > directly inside the kernel, such as the "Giant" locking mechanism > which doesn't seem to be supported anymore (according to the > compiler error messages). > > The only thing I'm not sure is: > > How am I supposed to change former kernel options such as > > options BROOKTREE_SYSTEM_DEFAULT=BROOKTREE_PAL I have never used that setting and where I live it's PAL/* > in order to define how the card works, as I need PAL support > and not NTSC. Is there a mechanism to change this for the > module? Or per loader tunable, or a sysctl? This is from my dmesg: pci3: on pcib3 pci3: at device 6.0 (no driver attached) bktr0: mem 0xfdcff000-0xfdcfffff irq 21 at device 7.0 on pci3 bktr0: [GIANT-LOCKED] bktr0: [ITHREAD] bktr0: Leadtek Winfast TV 2000, Philips FR1236 NTSC FM tuner. pci3: at device 7.1 (no driver attached) sysctl -a | grep hw.bt848 hw.bt848.slow_msp_audio: -1 hw.bt848.format: -1 hw.bt848.reverse_mute: -1 hw.bt848.tuner: -1 hw.bt848.card: -1 Never changed those settings because I don't know what they mean. > Or maybe I don't even need that setting, as it is the default? > Just like A4 is the default paper size? :-) Not impossible. When I start mplayer it understand PAL. >> Running 8.2-STABLE #0 AMD64 > > Also 8.2-STABLE here, but i386 after nVidia problems with AMD64. :-) > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 10:36:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7101065674 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 10:36:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tzhuan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465978FC1A for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 10:36:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so2460618vws.13 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 03:36:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=jXDsRRMdrnKA5CJ+sZegWY4hR6dCFp7Cw3UE3HG4puI=; b=LUM+dxmj1yTdQSQuN6+NZaSGF7Y9ZamIrRxtnLbKC09EU+gI0myi6hQJeD4xhu26sh iSRlRtx3EHxmh2xSiDnYVsQ/xduwiLluoLmk6C0FfffcsqmtFNIKg6JDGGTjB1dXCNqd d4VoCLt3gmTgClrRtEA80YdsoQa4iUJ4Zsu7w= Received: by 10.52.92.83 with SMTP id ck19mr3594748vdb.81.1314267038287; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 03:10:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.161.234 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 03:10:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tz-Huan Huang Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:10:18 +0800 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: mkdir and umask on FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 10:36:02 -0000 (Please CC. me because I'm not in freebsd-question@, thanks.) We have a ftp site runs pure-ftpd-1.0.32 on a FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p8 i386 box. (I know 7.2 is very old, but that machine doesn't boot on later version...) We find that the permission of newly created directory/files are always 750 and 640 (we set the umask to 022/133 for dir/file in pure-ftpd). I try to trace the codes to figure it out. In order to find the problem, I add some codes to print more information. Here is the code for making a directory (FTP command MKD): /* my codes for debugging */ fprintf(stderr, "getuid: %d\n", getuid()); fprintf(stderr, "original umask: %o\n", umask((mode_t)0)); fprintf(stderr, "umask: %o, mode: %o\n", u_mask_d, 0777 & ~u_mask_d); /* end of my codes */ if ((mkdir(name, (mode_t) (0777 & ~u_mask_d))) < 0) { #ifdef QUOTAS (void) quota_update("a, -1LL, 0LL, NULL); #endif error(550, MSG_MKD_FAILURE); } else { addreply(257, "\"%s\" : " MSG_MKD_SUCCESS, name); #ifndef MINIMAL cwd_failures = 0UL; #endif } /* my codes for debugging */ struct stat *tmp; stat(name, tmp); fprintf(stderr, "st_mode: %o\n", tmp->st_mode); /* end of my code */ When making the dir via ftp, the output is getuid: 7000 original umask: 0 umask: 22, mode: 755 st_mode: 40750 I'm curious that why the st_mode is 750 not 755? Is it normal or do I miss something? Thanks! Tz-Huan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 11:16:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C2D106564A for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:16:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kpielorz_lst@tdx.co.uk) Received: from mail.tdx.com (mail.tdx.com [62.13.128.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 154B48FC13 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from HexaDeca64.dmpriest.net.uk (HPQuadro64.dmpriest.net.uk [62.13.130.30]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.tdx.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Kp) with ESMTP id p7PB5RuL034826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:05:27 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:04:57 +0100 From: Karl Pielorz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <67B337AF3989136597BA2AB6@HexaDeca64.dmpriest.net.uk> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Using both ar0 and underlying ad12/ad14 'at the same time' (smartmontools) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:16:27 -0000 Hi, I have a couple of FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE (as of 25/08) boxes. These have onboard RAID 'type' controllers. The OS is installed on 'ar0' (e.g. /dev/ar0s1d et'al). Additionally I've installed the smartmontools port - which monitors drive SMART attributes. Am I ok setting this up to access the 'underlying' devices for ar0 (which are also exposed by the OS) - e.g. as '/dev/ad12' and '/dev/ad14' - at the same time as obviously data is being read / written to '/dev/ar0' (which comprises both those disks as a RAID1 array)? Cheers, -Karl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 12:43:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E996106564A for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:43:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD59D8FC0A for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:43:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7PCh1fK005203; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:43:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p7PCh1rK005200; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:43:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:43:01 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20110825092252.fa8fd1f1.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20110824095841.0f614b67.freebsd@edvax.de> <4E54E2C5.2030408@pukruppa.de> <20110824171956.56654528.freebsd@edvax.de> <4E55E54E.6000307@pukruppa.de> <20110825080941.dcb7c598.freebsd@edvax.de> <4E55F265.1060008@pukruppa.de> <20110825092252.fa8fd1f1.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Cc: "Kruppa, Peter Ulrich" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Printing from Opera X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:43:05 -0000 On Thu, 25 Aug 2011, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:57:41 +0200, Kruppa, Peter Ulrich wrote: >> Do opera's print jobs show up in the queue (With # lpq) or via browser >> http://localhost:631 ? > > In both, for a very short time. The command line lpr report > looks like this: > > % lpq > HP_LaserJet_4000_Series is ready and printing > Rank Owner Job File(s) Total Size > active poly 20 Google - Opera 419840 bytes > > Then it disappears after a few seconds > > % lpq > HP_LaserJet_4000_Series is ready > no entries > > The printer doesn't start to print. If the print job has a PostScript error, it would be received and then just disappear. Unless you have the printer set to "print PostScript errors", anyway. Watch the printer lights for a quick flash when (if) the job is actually sent. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 14:10:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B0D61065670 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:10:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from geoff@apro.com.au) Received: from mail.ricksure.com.au (mail.ricksure.com.au [203.98.89.150]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E40A8FC08 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 171.78.233.220.static.exetel.com.au [220.233.78.171] by mail.ricksure.com.au with SMTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 23:54:32 +1000 From: Geoff Roberts Organization: Australian Projects To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 23:54:42 +1000 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.32-33-generic; KDE/4.4.5; x86_64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201108252354.42943.geoff@apro.com.au> X-Declude-Sender: geoff@apro.com.au [220.233.78.171] X-Declude-Spoolname: 46140865.eml X-Declude-RefID: X-Declude-Note: Scanned by Declude 4.6.35 "http://www.declude.com/x-note.htm" X-Declude-Scan: Outgoing Score [0] at 23:54:35 on 25 Aug 2011 X-Declude-Tests: Whitelisted X-Country-Chain: X-Declude-Code: 0 X-Declude-Recipcount: 1 Organization: Declude, Inc. X-Helo: ubuntutest-01.localnet X-RevDNS: Subject: Wireless PCI or PCIe card recommendations X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: geoff@apro.com.au List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:10:11 -0000 Hi, Since upgrading my hardware, my old Netgear WG311T PCI card causes the FreeBSD 8 kernel to freeze at boot time. I've also tested FreeBSD 9 beta 1. I'm looking for a replacement card - either PCI, or PCI Express. I need a card that can do Multi-Base Station or Virtual Access Points. 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Belgium BE0859635972. abuse-en@netlog.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 15:52:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D131065670 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:52:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhall@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1g.socket.net [216.106.88.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820518FC0C for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:52:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [216.106.88.17]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6AF1B45930; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 10:52:04 -0500 (CDT) To: mike@sentex.net From: jhall@socket.net X-Apparently-from: jhall@mail.socket.net X-Remote-Host: 174.34.27.163 User-Agent: Socket WebMail References: <20110823232242.B78A5106566B@hub.freebsd.org> <4E545899.6090800@sentex.net> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 10:52:04 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20110825155205.A0D131065670@hub.freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: Racoon to Cisco ASA 5505 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jhall@socket.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:52:05 -0000 > I find wireshark helpful in these cases as it nicely decodes what > options are being set. Your racoon conf is set to obey. Its possible > they are proposing something different to you that you accept, where as > what you are proposing might not be acceptable > > ---Mike My vendor came back to me today and stated they found a configuration error on their end. Their most recent message states the traffic I am sending to them through the IPSec tunnel is not encrypted. Following is what they sent me from the ASA. Crypto map tag: rackmap, seq num: 201, local addr: 184.106.120.244 access-list 201 extended permit ip 192.168.100.0 255.255.252.0 10.129.30.0 255.255.255.0 local ident (addr/mask/prot/port): (192.168.100.0/255.255.252.0/0/0) remote ident (addr/mask/prot/port): (10.129.30.0/255.255.255.0/0/0) current_peer: Jefferson_City #pkts encaps: 0, #pkts encrypt: 0, #pkts digest: 0 #pkts decaps: 789, #pkts decrypt: 789, #pkts verify: 789 Crypto map tag: rackmap, seq num: 201, local addr: 184.106.120.244 access-list 201 extended permit ip 192.168.100.0 255.255.252.0 10.129.10.0 255.255.255.0 local ident (addr/mask/prot/port): (192.168.100.0/255.255.252.0/0/0) remote ident (addr/mask/prot/port): (10.129.10.0/255.255.255.0/0/0) current_peer: Jefferson_City #pkts encaps: 112, #pkts encrypt: 112, #pkts digest: 112 #pkts decaps: 0, #pkts decrypt: 0, #pkts verify: 0 Usually this indicates that the encryption domains on both sides of the VPN are not matched up exactly. If possible, please send us the encryption domains and nat-exemptions you currently have configured on the other side of the tunnel. What concerns me is, if I am reading this correctly, traffic from 10.129.10.0/24 is not being encrypted and 10.129.10.40 is my end of the tunnel. 10.129.30.0/24 lies behind the the 10.129.10.40 server. Is it possible for me to check if traffic being sent over the IPSec tunnel is being encrypted? I am sorry if this is an extremely easy question, but I am really new to IPSec. Thank you to everyone for their help. Jay From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 17:30:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A1C1065674 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 17:30:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timothyk@wallnet.com) Received: from mail-gw6.njit.edu (mail.njit.edu [128.235.251.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D37F8FC0C for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 17:30:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from beta.maestro.njit.edu (dhcp114-27.njit.edu [128.235.114.27]) by mail-gw6.njit.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p7PGjIUi006176 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4E567C14.7070909@wallnet.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:45:08 -0400 From: Tim Kellers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110822 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: shopping for a new server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 17:30:36 -0000 Dell 2500 from 10 years back is soon to be very dead in the machine room at work. I'm thinking about replacing it with a Rack mount Dell R610 has anyone used that and has compatibility issues or successes? I'll be using a RAID 5 setup and PERC version is up to 6i in this box, any issues with this PERC? The specs indicate R610 will way outperform the old 2500. The 2500 currently supports mail (sendmail), web, db (pgsql and mysql), samba, etc. I Googled and found a bunch of somewhat older posts that showed some NIC issues and some PERC issues but it looked like most issues had been corrected by the beginning of 2011. Does anyone have any recent duccess/failure stories? I'd probably be looking to run 8.2 RELEASE AMD or 9.0 AMD when it becomes release. Thanks Tim From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 18:08:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872B31065673 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:08:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timothyk@wallnet.com) Received: from mail-gw5.njit.edu (mail-gw5.njit.edu [128.235.251.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2B08FC1A for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:08:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from beta.maestro.njit.edu (dhcp114-27.njit.edu [128.235.114.27]) by mail-gw5.njit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7PI8Req020966; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4E568F9C.7090403@wallnet.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:08:28 -0400 From: Tim Kellers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110822 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Maxim Khitrov References: <4E567C14.7070909@wallnet.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: shopping for a new server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:08:30 -0000 Thank you Max, that sounds like good news so far. Tim Kellers On 08/25/11 13:57, Maxim Khitrov wrote: > On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Tim Kellers wrote: >> Dell 2500 from 10 years back is soon to be very dead in the machine room at >> work. I'm thinking about replacing it with a Rack mount Dell R610 has >> anyone used that and has compatibility issues or successes? I'll be using a >> RAID 5 setup and PERC version is up to 6i in this box, any issues with this >> PERC? The specs indicate R610 will way outperform the old 2500. The 2500 >> currently supports mail (sendmail), web, db (pgsql and mysql), samba, etc. >> >> I Googled and found a bunch of somewhat older posts that showed some NIC >> issues and some PERC issues but it looked like most issues had been >> corrected by the beginning of 2011. Does anyone have any recent >> duccess/failure stories? >> >> I'd probably be looking to run 8.2 RELEASE AMD or 9.0 AMD when it becomes >> release. >> >> Thanks >> >> Tim > I'm currently configuring FreeBSD 8.2 amd64 on an R610 with PERC H700 > RAID controller. H700 uses the mfi(4) driver, I think that also goes > for PERC 6/I. Network uses the bce(4) driver. No real problems to > report. > > One minor issue I ran into is that disabling serial ports in BIOS > causes FreeBSD to freeze when booting. The solution is simply to set > serial ports to be "On without Console Redirection." You should also > leave Intel I/OAT disabled, since FreeBSD has no support for it. > > - Max > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 18:20:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7BB1106566B for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:20:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from max@mxcrypt.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4481B8FC14 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:20:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyh15 with SMTP id 15so2366904wyh.13 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.133.5 with SMTP id p5mr970227wei.87.1314295096194; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 10:58:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.208.211 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 10:57:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E567C14.7070909@wallnet.com> References: <4E567C14.7070909@wallnet.com> From: Maxim Khitrov Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:57:45 -0400 Message-ID: To: Tim Kellers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: shopping for a new server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:20:20 -0000 On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Tim Kellers wrote: > Dell 2500 from 10 years back is soon to be very dead in the machine room = at > work. =C2=A0I'm thinking about replacing it with a Rack mount Dell R610 = =C2=A0has > anyone used that and has compatibility issues or successes? =C2=A0I'll be= using a > RAID 5 setup and PERC version is up to 6i in this box, any issues with th= is > PERC? =C2=A0The specs indicate R610 will way outperform the old 2500. =C2= =A0The 2500 > currently supports mail (sendmail), web, db (pgsql and mysql), samba, etc= . > > I Googled and found a bunch of somewhat older posts that showed some NIC > issues and some PERC issues but it looked like most issues had been > corrected by the beginning of 2011. =C2=A0Does anyone have any recent > duccess/failure stories? > > I'd probably be looking to run 8.2 RELEASE AMD or 9.0 AMD when it becomes > release. > > Thanks > > Tim I'm currently configuring FreeBSD 8.2 amd64 on an R610 with PERC H700 RAID controller. H700 uses the mfi(4) driver, I think that also goes for PERC 6/I. Network uses the bce(4) driver. No real problems to report. One minor issue I ran into is that disabling serial ports in BIOS causes FreeBSD to freeze when booting. The solution is simply to set serial ports to be "On without Console Redirection." You should also leave Intel I/OAT disabled, since FreeBSD has no support for it. - Max From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 18:33:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37AF0106566B for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:33:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5718FC08 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:33:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so2380382gwb.13 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:33:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.104.6 with SMTP id b6mr1305968ybc.21.1314297221611; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f4sm237649yhn.69.2011.08.25.11.33.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3RlDfW3WWhz2CG4y for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:33:38 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110825143338.536ef267@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <4E568F9C.7090403@wallnet.com> References: <4E567C14.7070909@wallnet.com> <4E568F9C.7090403@wallnet.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: shopping for a new server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:33:44 -0000 On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:08:28 -0400 Tim Kellers articulated: > Thank you Max, that sounds like good news so far. > > > > One minor issue I ran into is that disabling serial ports in BIOS > > causes FreeBSD to freeze when booting. The solution is simply to set > > serial ports to be "On without Console Redirection." You should also > > leave Intel I/OAT disabled, since FreeBSD has no support for it. Is anyone working on integrating support into FreeBSD? There is an abundance of info available and drivers for both Windows (obviously) and Linux. http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/network/IntelPRO/R167266/en/ioat.htm http://www.intel.com/support/network/adapter/pro100/sb/CS-023725.htm -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 18:38:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C821065672 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:38:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88F98FC18 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:38:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxe4 with SMTP id 4so2554608fxe.13 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:38:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=7Kbm7A08zLhm8RsYB0JsV0XlVWkg8pZDfwrQmo18qBc=; b=O4lL9YKmzjPAKFuQZAlOECdT30NWyE7hhCTeKM7OR1xYUStjsJ5p4pL+T/FBYlMgqV XlQGGh3Wneont4ABJmfPJBngvPyUYf52U0gkcdKjd8QP6Fknk/S+OkiGA38ryPTgzLKL crtRjCl6wXu/ISQqvUI0KGy6Gxc4pZYRrOHNY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.76.137 with SMTP id c9mr122415fak.62.1314297506566; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.23.135 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:38:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110825143338.536ef267@scorpio> References: <4E567C14.7070909@wallnet.com> <4E568F9C.7090403@wallnet.com> <20110825143338.536ef267@scorpio> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:38:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: Outback Dingo To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: shopping for a new server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:38:28 -0000 On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jerry wrote: > On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:08:28 -0400 > Tim Kellers articulated: > > > Thank you Max, that sounds like good news so far. > > > > > > One minor issue I ran into is that disabling serial ports in BIOS > > > causes FreeBSD to freeze when booting. The solution is simply to set > > > serial ports to be "On without Console Redirection." You should also > > > leave Intel I/OAT disabled, since FreeBSD has no support for it. > > > Is anyone working on integrating support into FreeBSD? There is an > abundance of info available and drivers for both Windows (obviously) > and Linux. > > http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/network/IntelPRO/R167266/en/ioat.ht= m > http://www.intel.com/support/network/adapter/pro100/sb/CS-023725.htm > > Just one more reason NOT to buy anything from Dell > -- > Jerry =E2=9C=8C > jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net > > Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. > Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. > > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 18:39:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF43C1065675 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:39:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1-6.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728848FC16 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a] (saphire3.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7PIdGGc062713; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:39:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-ID: <4E5696D0.3000205@sentex.net> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:39:12 -0400 From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jhall@socket.net References: <20110823232242.B78A5106566B@hub.freebsd.org> <4E545899.6090800@sentex.net> <20110825155205.A0D131065670@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20110825155205.A0D131065670@hub.freebsd.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Racoon to Cisco ASA 5505 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:39:18 -0000 On 8/25/2011 11:52 AM, jhall@socket.net wrote: >> I find wireshark helpful in these cases as it nicely decodes what >> options are being set. Your racoon conf is set to obey. Its possible >> they are proposing something different to you that you accept, where as >> what you are proposing might not be acceptable > > My vendor came back to me today and stated they found a configuration > error on their end. Their most recent message states the traffic I am > sending to them through the IPSec tunnel is not encrypted. What does your actual policy look like ? Is this the only ipsec config on your box ? If so, lets say your public IP is 1.1.1.1 and their ip is 184.106.120.244 try adding this to /etc/ipsec.conf spdadd 10.129.30.0/24 192.168.100.0/22 any -P out ipsec esp/tunnel/1.1.1.1-184.106.120.244/unique; spdadd 192.168.100.0/22 10.129.30.0/24 any -P in ipsec esp/tunnel/184.106.120.244-1.1.1.1/unique; do a setkey -F setkey -FP setkey -f /etc/ipsec.conf This is saying that you will create an ipsec policy between 2 networks. Your side behind 1.1.1.1 and their side behind 184.106.120.244. The policy states that packets with a source address of 10.129.30.0/24 destined to 192.168.100.0/22 will be encapsulated in an ipsec tunnel. Similarly, everything going the other direction - 192.168.100.0/22 going to 10.129.30.0/24... And *only* those packets. If you have a packet with a source address of 10.0.0.1 destined to 192.168.100.0/22, it will not be passed through the tunnel. > > Following is what they sent me from the ASA. > > Crypto map tag: rackmap, seq num: 201, local addr: 184.106.120.244 > > access-list 201 extended permit ip 192.168.100.0 255.255.252.0 > 10.129.30.0 255.255.255.0 > local ident (addr/mask/prot/port): (192.168.100.0/255.255.252.0/0/0) > remote ident (addr/mask/prot/port): (10.129.30.0/255.255.255.0/0/0) > current_peer: Jefferson_City You then need to make sure your key exchange settings agree. Ask them for that portion of the ASA's config. You are proposing exchange_mode main,base,aggressive; You are known to them by IP (my_identifier address) You should probably add peers_identifier address; and then make sure in your psk.txt file you have something like 184.106.120.244 the-secret-psk-you-agreed-on Also, make sure their side is expecting 3des and hmac is sha1 or md5 as you posted in your original config. On your public wan interface, do a tcpdump of the remote IP. e.g. if its em0, do tcpdump -ni em0 -s0 -w /tmp/186.pcap host 184.106.120.244 startup racoon with the debug flag and from your network, try and ping an IP in their private network from your private network e.g. ping -S 10.129.30.1 192.168.100.1 When testing ipsec, get in the habbit of ALWAYS specifying the source IP so that you know the packet you are generating falls within the policy you have specified. If things dont work, look at the racoon logs for clues as well as look at the pcap afterwards with -vvvv tcpdump -vvvv -nr /tmp/186.pcap port 500 if it worked and you get a ping response, look at the full traffic to make sure its ESP and that the contents are indeed encrypted. ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 18:46:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCAFF106564A for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:46:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevin.wilcox@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f45.google.com (mail-pz0-f45.google.com [209.85.210.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FB28FC0A for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:46:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33so6831225pzk.18 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:46:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/PRj0b67WR+j0DtzGOaHbWaJHSHIOs2iCAnXz39RqQw=; b=EB+4tQz3w+dv5PBMtLUxgoBgj8mF5UznO1GPVzg8CdVsNItbpB5YQ8UshZO0vsZYoO FIc7lymqIPfKBBhh3E0Ee9Pl4S3ZG0Tl9NA4WMFhl9Ky90jyjBmDymevdvFFdDaneX41 Kwr49xJbO7+l2yODbWrY0lcjXbr94lArTn2WA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.154.6 with SMTP id b6mr21997wfe.378.1314296667405; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.57.100 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:24:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E567C14.7070909@wallnet.com> References: <4E567C14.7070909@wallnet.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:24:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: Kevin Wilcox To: Tim Kellers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: shopping for a new server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:46:17 -0000 On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 12:45, Tim Kellers wrote: > Dell 2500 from 10 years back is soon to be very dead in the machine room = at > work. =C2=A0I'm thinking about replacing it with a Rack mount Dell R610 = =C2=A0has > anyone used that and has compatibility issues or successes? =C2=A0I'll be= using a > RAID 5 setup and PERC version is up to 6i in this box, any issues with th= is > PERC? =C2=A0The specs indicate R610 will way outperform the old 2500. =C2= =A0The 2500 > currently supports mail (sendmail), web, db (pgsql and mysql), samba, etc= . I can't recommend the R610 highly enough. I have them as firewall/routers and DNS servers and they are fantastic. 8.2-RELEASE amd64. As Maxim pointed out, they use the mfi and bce drivers...I've added some Intel quad-port fibre NICs using the igb driver to the firewalls and haven't had any issues. My only suggestion is to pay attention to disk speed and RAID type if you're going to do heavy database work. I have a 200GB PostGreSQL database on RAID5 with 10K disks that crawls on data loads so I'm in the process of verifying to RAID 1+0 performance (we're neither CPU- nor memory-bound but the reported disk I/O via iostat is atrocious). dmesg for any of our R610s available on request if you want specifics. kmw From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 18:55:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 879171065672 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:55:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd-ml@gehlbach.com) Received: from element.websitewelcome.com (element.websitewelcome.com [74.53.26.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B508FC18 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:55:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [64.253.112.88] (port=56696 helo=[192.168.50.97]) by element.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qwebu-00028L-Rg for questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:25:03 -0500 Message-ID: <4E569379.4070005@gehlbach.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:24:57 -0400 From: Renee Gehlbach User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - element.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gehlbach.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: lexdsl01.4.0.0.178.a.iglou.com ([192.168.50.97]) [64.253.112.88]:56696 X-Source-Auth: krgehlba@support.gehlbach.com X-Email-Count: 4 X-Source-Cap: cmRnZWhsYmE7cmRnZWhsYmE7ZWxlbWVudC53ZWJzaXRld2VsY29tZS5jb20= Cc: Subject: Problem reading from tape drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:55:42 -0000 I recently purchased a FreeBSD-compatible SAS card (an Adaptec ASR 2045) and moved our backup server from Ubuntu to FreeBSD 8.2. I am trying to set up the backup software, but am having problems with the tape drive. Hopefully this is a "duh" type question, since I have a lot more experience working with tape drives in Ubuntu than FreeBSD. I installed bacula, and ran the test function in the btape utility. It wrote 10000 blocks, wrote EOF, wrote 10000 blocks, wrote EOF, wrote EOF. Rewound the tape. Read 10000 blocks, failed reading the second 10000 blocks. I had no luck researching the bacula error message, so I switched to mt and tar for further troubleshooting. camcontrol devlist does show the tape drive: backup# camcontrol devlist at scbus2 target 0 lun 0 (sa0,pass0) So then I went into a directory that had one subdirectory, which contained several plain text logfiles. I did four tars, alternating between that directory and the subdirectory (so I would be able to see a difference between the tar files). backup# mt -f /dev/nsa0 rewind backup# tar -cf /dev/nsa0 * backup# cd log/ backup# tar -cf /dev/nsa0 * backup# cd .. backup# tar -cf /dev/nsa0 * backup# cd log/ backup# tar -cf /dev/nsa0 * So far so good. Then I went back to read those tar files. backup# mt -f /dev/nsa0 rewind backup# tar -tf /dev/nsa0 log/ log/mbw01.log (....insert rest of correct tar listing) backup# tar -tf /dev/nsa0 tar: Unrecognized archive format tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors. So....same results as bacula's tape test utility was giving.....it writes, it reads the first file, then errors on trying to read the second file. However: backup# mt -f /dev/nsa0 rewind backup# tar -tf /dev/nsa0 log/ log/mbw01.log (....insert rest of correct tar listing) backup# mt -f /dev/nsa0 fsf backup# tar -tf /dev/nsa0 mbw01.log (....insert rest of correct tar listing) backup# mt -f /dev/nsa0 fsf backup# tar -tf /dev/nsa0 log/ log/mbw01.log (....insert rest of correct tar listing) backup# mt -f /dev/nsa0 fsf backup# tar -tf /dev/nsa0 mbw01.log (....insert rest of correct tar listing) backup# mt -f /dev/nsa0 fsf So, when I tell it to forward space file at the end of each tar file, it is able to read all four files correctly. This leaves me scratching my head, and wondering what the heck I've set up wrong. Any ideas? Thanks, Renee Gehlbach From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 19:01:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D83106566C for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:01:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vmiller@verisign.com) Received: from exprod6og102.obsmtp.com (exprod6og102.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B378FC1D for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:01:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from osprey.verisign.com ([216.168.239.75]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob102.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKTlacHdEoKLvDnoRqgvUXbGwNZdKck9xs@postini.com; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:01:50 PDT Received: from dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.113]) by osprey.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id p7PJ1mvX015002 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:01:48 -0400 Received: from dul1wnexcn04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.12.139]) by dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:01:48 -0400 Received: from BRN1WNEXCAS01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.173.152.205]) by dul1wnexcn04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:01:48 -0400 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.01.0289.001; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:01:47 -0400 From: "Miller, Vincent (Rick)" To: FreeBSD Thread-Topic: Getting packages/ into a release Thread-Index: AQHMY1lwR9mz4XOYpEiuoy4XzMlRmA== Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:01:47 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.12.0.110505 x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2011 19:01:48.0660 (UTC) FILETIME=[7109AB40:01CC6359] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Getting packages/ into a release X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:01:51 -0000 Hi all, I have built a release and generated a DVD ISO from it. However, upon inst= alling, I found that the packages/ directory was not included in the ISO as= indicated by an error message I received during the install from the DVD. What is the most appropriate way to include the packages/ directory into th= e DVD media? The CD_PACKAGE_TREE environment variable seems appropriate ot= her than the fact it appears to be applicable to CD-ROMs, as opposed to DVD= s. Is it appropriate to grab it from other media and simply copy it into the d= irectory prior to generating the ISO? =3D=3D Vincent (Rick) Miller Systems Engineer vmiller@Verisign.com t: 703-948-4395 21345 Ridgetop Cir Dulles, VA 20166 VerisignInc.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 19:41:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43949106566B for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:41:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@penx.com) Received: from Elmer.dco.penx.com (elmer.dco.penx.com [174.46.214.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9CD18FC14 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:41:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Elmer.dco.penx.com (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7PJfoiY013156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:41:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@penx.com) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:41:50 -0600 (MDT) From: Dennis Glatting X-X-Sender: dennisg@Elmer.dco.penx.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Support for Bigfoot Killer E2100? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:41:53 -0000 A number of motherboards (e.g., GigaByte Guerrilla and Sniper) are sporting a "BIGFOOT Killer E2100" chip, which is also the board's Ethernet. Does FreeBSD support this chipset? Anyone tried it? http://www.bigfootnetworks.com/assets/Company/Media-Center/Datasheets/Final-Killer-E2100-Datasheet.pdf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 20:12:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6320F1065700 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:12:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from mwi1.coffeenet.org (unknown [IPv6:2607:f4e0:100:300::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4F58FC0C for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:12:13 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=In-Reply-To:Message-Id:From:Mime-Version:Date:References:Subject:To:Content-Type; bh=WJn0Yh0nArB0NTEcZuWINdZLgAu9v2WNzO9Ikw4LgPE=; b=KqLKEHImVnFmAPd8rFEQYVM0moXbPSujJuQstgDQcyWcoxAiX6wphFbc1FzYwXI7+TS6mr/Mt/azykBJtMBfXeL7l2JQJ4zDwlxi3AGYCohdCUFNoh7UAOYMlxDG5tur; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by mwi1.coffeenet.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1QwgLA-000Joh-BC for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:15:53 -0500 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.3) with esmtpsa id 1314303346-1948-1947/4/2; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:15:46 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:12:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Felder Message-Id: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.00 (FreeBSD) X-SA-Score: -1.0 Subject: Re: Support for Bigfoot Killer E2100? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:12:13 -0000 On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:41:50 -0500, Dennis Glatting wrote: > A number of motherboards (e.g., GigaByte Guerrilla and Sniper) are > sporting a "BIGFOOT Killer E2100" chip, which is also the board's > Ethernet. Does FreeBSD support this chipset? Anyone tried it? It's a "new" chipset so it likely has no drivers. In Windows it's supposed to "bypass" the Windows TCP/IP stack. Either way it's a scam. Don't buy anything that incorporates BIGFOOT products. http://feld.me/stuff/scammernic.png From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 20:49:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D11106566B for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:49:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC858FC08 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:49:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxh11 with SMTP id 11so2682934vxh.13 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:49:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.92.233 with SMTP id cp9mr263083vdb.513.1314305383573; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:49:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k10sm644044vdi.31.2011.08.25.13.49.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3RlHgS5Llgz2CG4y for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:49:40 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110825164940.0450d7e4@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <4E567C14.7070909@wallnet.com> <4E568F9C.7090403@wallnet.com> <20110825143338.536ef267@scorpio> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: shopping for a new server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:49:44 -0000 On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:38:26 -0400 Outback Dingo articulated: > On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jerry wrote: > > > On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:08:28 -0400 > > Tim Kellers articulated: > > > > > Thank you Max, that sounds like good news so far. > > > > > > > > One minor issue I ran into is that disabling serial ports in > > > > BIOS causes FreeBSD to freeze when booting. The solution is > > > > simply to set serial ports to be "On without Console > > > > Redirection." You should also leave Intel I/OAT disabled, since > > > > FreeBSD has no support for it. > > > > > > Is anyone working on integrating support into FreeBSD? There is an > > abundance of info available and drivers for both Windows (obviously) > > and Linux. > > > > http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/network/IntelPRO/R167266/en/ioat.htm > > http://www.intel.com/support/network/adapter/pro100/sb/CS-023725.htm > > > Just one more reason NOT to buy anything from Dell I fail to see the reasoning behind your statement. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 20:53:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D33A61065672 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:53:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from max@mxcrypt.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 710808FC15 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:53:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwi36 with SMTP id 36so2836099wwi.31 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.70.81 with SMTP id o59mr156946wed.87.1314304011149; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:26:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.208.211 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:26:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110825143338.536ef267@scorpio> References: <4E567C14.7070909@wallnet.com> <4E568F9C.7090403@wallnet.com> <20110825143338.536ef267@scorpio> From: Maxim Khitrov Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:26:21 -0400 Message-ID: To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: shopping for a new server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:53:08 -0000 On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jerry wrote: > On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:08:28 -0400 > Tim Kellers articulated: > >> Thank you Max, that sounds like good news so far. >> > >> > One minor issue I ran into is that disabling serial ports in BIOS >> > causes FreeBSD to freeze when booting. The solution is simply to set >> > serial ports to be "On without Console Redirection." You should also >> > leave Intel I/OAT disabled, since FreeBSD has no support for it. > > > Is anyone working on integrating support into FreeBSD? There is an > abundance of info available and drivers for both Windows (obviously) > and Linux. > > http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/network/IntelPRO/R167266/en/ioat.htm > http://www.intel.com/support/network/adapter/pro100/sb/CS-023725.htm Jack Vogel was working on this a number of years ago, but there wasn't much interest at the time: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-net/2006-August/011574.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-net/2007-November/015911.html Here's a more recent thread on the topic: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2011-June/035573.html - Max From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 21:04:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EBF2106566C for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:04:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317638FC0C for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:04:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwc9 with SMTP id 9so2158487qwc.13 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.251.134 with SMTP id ms6mr300612qcb.158.1314306293251; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h16sm602307qct.44.2011.08.25.14.04.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3RlJ0y4Zd6z2CG4y for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 17:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 17:04:50 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110825170450.20ab1894@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Support for Bigfoot Killer E2100? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:04:54 -0000 On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:12:05 -0500 Mark Felder articulated: > On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:41:50 -0500, Dennis Glatting > wrote: > > > A number of motherboards (e.g., GigaByte Guerrilla and Sniper) are > > sporting a "BIGFOOT Killer E2100" chip, which is also the board's > > Ethernet. Does FreeBSD support this chipset? Anyone tried it? > > It's a "new" chipset so it likely has no drivers. In Windows it's > supposed to > "bypass" the Windows TCP/IP stack. Either way it's a scam. Don't buy > anything > that incorporates BIGFOOT products. It might prove beneficial if you actually took the time to state exactly why you consider it a "scam". I found numerous articles describing this device. One such site: http://www.examiner.com/pc-game-in-national/bigfoot-killer-2100-review-review In any case, the OP can check out this URL for more precise information: http://www.bigfootnetworks.com/killer-2100/ I think it is rather clear that this is not in all probability going to work on a non-windows OS. Nothing surprising there. As Willie Sutton so prominently stated, "Go where the money is... and go there often." I wouldn't want to hold my breath waiting for a driver either. In any case, its your money. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 21:27:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ECC4106566C for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:27:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C168FC19 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sbhfislrext01.fnfis.com ([192.168.249.167]) by SCSFISLTC02 (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p7PLRIBg012237 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:27:18 -0500 Received: from sbhfisltcgw01.FNFIS.COM (Not Verified[10.132.248.121]) by sbhfislrext01.fnfis.com with MailMarshal (v6, 5, 4, 7535) id ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:27:12 -0500 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.31]) by sbhfisltcgw01.FNFIS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:27:17 -0500 Received: from dtwin (10.14.152.43) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.31) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.289.1; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:27:13 -0500 From: Devin Teske To: FreeBSD Questions Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:26:37 -0700 Message-ID: <03f101cc636d$b01bd1a0$105374e0$@fisglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Acxjav6zlUUhgItuQGaBb7gryn0sjQ== Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.43] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2011 21:27:17.0817 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4055290:01CC636D] Cc: devin.teske@fisglobal.com Subject: Broadcom BCM5780 Link-UP before auto-negotiation completes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:27:19 -0000 Hi All, I've got three different workstations each with a Broadcom Gigabit Ethernet card (slightly different models, but all running the bge(4) device driver) on FreeBSD-8.1 RELEASE. We've having a strange problem where each/every single reboot ends up in dropping to single-user mode because the NFS mounts fail in-turn because the bge0 interface claims to be up but hasn't completed auto-negotation of the link-speed yet (and states "no carrier"). After being dropped to single-user mode, you can press ENTER to accept the default shell of /bin/sh and then type ^D to exit -- machine continues booting just fine. I've tried back-porting the recent changes from bge(4) in the RELENG_8_2_0_RELEASE branch and even the RELENG_8 branch to no avail. I was really disappointed because I could have sworn that one of these two SVN revs (both published for RELENG_8_2_0_RELEASE) would have fixed the problem: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=213808 Add more checks for resolved link speed in bge_miibus_statchg(). Link UP state could be reported first before actual completion of auto-negotiation. This change makes bge(4) reprogram BGE_MAC_MODE, BGE_TX_MODE and BGE_RX_MODE register only after controller got a valid link. http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=213711 The IFF_DRV_RUNNING flag is set at the end of bge_init_locked. But before setting the flag, interrupt was already enabled such that interrupt handler could be run before setting IFF_DRV_RUNNING flag. This can lose initial link state change interrupt which in turn make bge(4) think that it still does not have valid link. Fix this race by protecting the taskqueue with a driver lock. While I'm here move reenabling interrupt code after handling of link state change. I'm afraid that our next recourse is going to be (in order of preference): 1. Try back-porting from an even further target (HEAD -> RELENG_8_1_0_RELEASE; RELENG_8 wasn't high enough and bug still occurred). 2. Try firmware upgrade of the Broadcom controller 3. Write a custom rc.d script to detect when bge(4) is in use and sleep for a few seconds before proceeding to NFS mounts And if none of those work... 4. Unceremoniously rip bge(4) from our kernels to prevent usage in production -- requiring the installation of a PCI or PCI-e or PCI-X network card that doesn't suffer this issue. Suggestions welcome. -- Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. _____________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 23:34:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E6C106564A for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 23:34:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noeldude@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E588FC08 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 23:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxn22 with SMTP id 22so2638734yxn.13 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:34:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Z6d82NPKJXBHTGANz5mtgwgeTskcPpMCOuVe5BufRjA=; b=Cy51BahatCkhSjv/4EEcskypEl4ymn4BD6NTwYVqTUc6CMca0IpDc2Y2b8gURLKhbp VgJosNVkFfERCeET19HnCje5IU0XG8YXQ0l8FtYBA4RRSwSBdJ0LPqjAcSkX0gh0ZeYb hY/r7IShhxlMtsoPKFikonVJpQSWSCeCdgZ54= Received: by 10.236.125.170 with SMTP id z30mr2252034yhh.27.1314311962241; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.70.107] ([12.107.221.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c63sm507811yhe.32.2011.08.25.15.39.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E56CF16.4060703@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 17:39:18 -0500 From: Noel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <03f101cc636d$b01bd1a0$105374e0$@fisglobal.com> In-Reply-To: <03f101cc636d$b01bd1a0$105374e0$@fisglobal.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Broadcom BCM5780 Link-UP before auto-negotiation completes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 23:34:23 -0000 On 8/25/2011 4:26 PM, Devin Teske wrote: > Hi All, > > I've got three different workstations each with a Broadcom Gigabit Ethernet card > (slightly different models, but all running the bge(4) device driver) on > FreeBSD-8.1 RELEASE. > > We've having a strange problem where each/every single reboot ends up in > dropping to single-user mode because the NFS mounts fail in-turn because the > bge0 interface claims to be up but hasn't completed auto-negotation of the > link-speed yet (and states "no carrier"). > > After being dropped to single-user mode, you can press ENTER to accept the > default shell of /bin/sh and then type ^D to exit -- machine continues booting > just fine. > > I've tried back-porting the recent changes from bge(4) in the > RELENG_8_2_0_RELEASE branch and even the RELENG_8 branch to no avail. > > I was really disappointed because I could have sworn that one of these two SVN > revs (both published for RELENG_8_2_0_RELEASE) would have fixed the problem: > > http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=213808 > Add more checks for resolved link speed in bge_miibus_statchg(). > Link UP state could be reported first before actual completion of > auto-negotiation. This change makes bge(4) reprogram BGE_MAC_MODE, > BGE_TX_MODE and BGE_RX_MODE register only after controller got a > valid link. > > http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=213711 > The IFF_DRV_RUNNING flag is set at the end of bge_init_locked. But > before setting the flag, interrupt was already enabled such that > interrupt handler could be run before setting IFF_DRV_RUNNING flag. > This can lose initial link state change interrupt which in turn > make bge(4) think that it still does not have valid link. Fix this > race by protecting the taskqueue with a driver lock. > While I'm here move reenabling interrupt code after handling of link > state change. > > I'm afraid that our next recourse is going to be (in order of preference): > > 1. Try back-porting from an even further target (HEAD -> RELENG_8_1_0_RELEASE; > RELENG_8 wasn't high enough and bug still occurred). > 2. Try firmware upgrade of the Broadcom controller > 3. Write a custom rc.d script to detect when bge(4) is in use and sleep for a > few seconds before proceeding to NFS mounts > > And if none of those work... > > 4. Unceremoniously rip bge(4) from our kernels to prevent usage in production -- > requiring the installation of a PCI or PCI-e or PCI-X network card that doesn't > suffer this issue. > > Suggestions welcome. I've found this workaround useful with my bge cards: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2010-April/056400.html -- Noel Jones From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 02:13:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B689B1065675 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 02:13:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (unknown [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E028FC08 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 02:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p7Q2D52i003887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:13:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p7Q2D54X003886; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd81 ([192.168.200.81]) by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA02007; Thu, 25 Aug 11 19:11:23 PDT Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 02:10:53 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: freebsd@penx.com Message-Id: <4e57631d.lnXj4u/L/HFfxRhA%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Support for Bigfoot Killer E2100? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 02:13:07 -0000 Dennis Glatting wrote: > Does FreeBSD support this chipset? > > http://www.bigfootnetworks.com/assets/Company/Media-Center/Datasheets/Final-Killer-E2100-Datasheet.pdf That has got to be the most pathetic excuse for a "Datasheet" I have ever seen. (Any of the major suppliers would have called it a Product Brief or some such.) Vastly more technical detail would be needed to even contemplate writing a driver. The only drivers I found on their site are for Windows. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 05:30:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4F3106564A for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 05:30:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C40B28FC17 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 05:30:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-72-156.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.72.156]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D684B3CD43; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 07:30:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7Q5UKCC001846; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 07:30:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 07:30:20 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Message-Id: <20110826073020.6edf4e97.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20110824095841.0f614b67.freebsd@edvax.de> <4E54E2C5.2030408@pukruppa.de> <20110824171956.56654528.freebsd@edvax.de> <4E55E54E.6000307@pukruppa.de> <20110825080941.dcb7c598.freebsd@edvax.de> <4E55F265.1060008@pukruppa.de> <20110825092252.fa8fd1f1.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Kruppa, Peter Ulrich" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Printing from Opera X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 05:30:23 -0000 Again a system freeze, so I have to write this message for a second time. But I think it's worth it as I made some interesting discoveries. :-) On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:43:01 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > If the print job has a PostScript error, it would be received and then > just disappear. Unless you have the printer set to "print PostScript > errors", anyway. Watch the printer lights for a quick flash when (if) > the job is actually sent. I've tried that from the google search page (no query entered) and could see the display "JOBVERARBEITUNG" (job processing), as well as a short flashing of the "Daten" (data) LED. Nothing got printed, but the printer seemed to receive data. So I thought I should investigate the data. In Opera, I selected "Print to file" and loaded the PS file into gs. It had a black square across the page, as well as scroll bars. Scroll bars? In the PS output? Hmmm... sounds stupid! Printing this file from within gs (which pipes it to lpr), as well as directly printing it with lpr, resulted in the job appearing + disappearing. Okay, I thought it might have something to do with the web page printed... so I opened a simple web page (no images, just text). IT GOT PRINTED!!! So is this local file vs. online file? I opened http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/LEGALNOTICE.html and printed it. It also got printed, but with a black bar across the rear side of the second page. There also were grey bars at the margins of the text (but I could remove them by manually Alt+P = Preferencs, Webpages, Background Color set to white). The output was like this (2nd page): Corel and WordPerfect are trademarks or registered trademarks of Corel Corporation and/or its subsidiaries in Canada, the United States and/or ################################################## ################################################## ################################################## ################################################## And then printing continued normally on the 3rd page (2nd sheet) with SAP, R/3, and mySAP are trademarks or registered trademarks of SAP AG in Germany and in several other countries all over the world. What is this selective printing? Or am I not allowed to print portions of the copyright? :-) Whenever I try to print from Opera, I have to manually select the only selectable printer with the mouse. What about the good old "Ctrl+P Enter"? Already DEPRECATED? Not "modern" enough? Alternative: Firefox. I have version 6.0.1 installed. When I opened the google search page, it got printed, but without the colored Google text. Other web pages with images have the images printed. And suddenly, the system froze. I had to switch it off (with the _real_ power switch on the back). The "freeze virus" has jumped from Sylpheed to Firefox. Summary: PS generation seems to be different among browsers. Sometimes something gets generated that the printer cannot print. Idea: I could configure CUPS _not_ to use PS, but instead convert it to PCL and then send it to the printer, maybe this can bring different results. (Note that my last message contained some more details, e. g. different job sizes when printing the same page from Opera and from Firefox, but due to the reboot the message was lost.) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 07:16:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B07231065688 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 07:16:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nathaniel.torbett@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49D7E8FC08 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 07:16:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxe4 with SMTP id 4so2990240fxe.13 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 00:16:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=6rFKbrpyREzhPKycnUPLRR1ihJhxFv5mFX1i2eYLdQM=; b=bREDcTdhD4SIsd8bGQYk331mn0Hw10e3d8+v1gqYwtYeulejdM4Xa1KQckfuuvbuU/ aQyekxwZ8JskHMkYiNiOzHOtWLjazn62+4ag9J32+kuNOZ17kEYrN9fPr0rrFSp5eSiI 91AVPNxxvGs49cENh0vclsmnSrm9hmIJyVQBw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.50.150 with SMTP id z22mr1148676faf.30.1314341522070; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 23:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.103.73 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 23:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 01:52:02 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nathaniel Torbett To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 11:00:49 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: 9.0-RC1 Release? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 07:16:07 -0000 Hello, Distrowatch has you slated to release 9.0-RC1 on 8/24. I cannot find the release for download. Is this delayed and is there a new release date/schedule? Thank you, Nathaniel Torbett From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 11:29:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 055A6106564A for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 11:29:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ulrich@pukruppa.de) Received: from pukruppa.de (pd95cabe3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.92.171.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0EE8FC15 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 11:29:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pukruppa.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pukruppa.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7QBY1OA059723 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 13:34:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ulrich@pukruppa.de) Message-ID: <4E5784A9.9050702@pukruppa.de> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 13:34:01 +0200 From: "Kruppa, Peter Ulrich" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110728 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4E578373.5020104@pukruppa.de> In-Reply-To: <4E578373.5020104@pukruppa.de> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <4E578373.5020104@pukruppa.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Fwd: Re: 9.0-RC1 Release? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 11:29:54 -0000 Sorry, forgot to include the list! -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: 9.0-RC1 Release? Datum: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 13:28:51 +0200 Von: Kruppa, Peter Ulrich An: Nathaniel Torbett Hi, Am 26.08.2011 08:52, schrieb Nathaniel Torbett: > Hello, > > Distrowatch has you slated to release 9.0-RC1 on 8/24. I cannot find the > release for download. Is this delayed and is there a new release > date/schedule? You will find the "official" release schedule here: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.0R/schedule.html Greetings Uli. > Thank you, > > Nathaniel Torbett > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Peter Ulrich Kruppa Wuppertal Germany -- Peter Ulrich Kruppa Wuppertal Germany From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 11:47:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F419106566B for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 11:47:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) Received: from mxin.ulb.ac.be (mxin.ulb.ac.be [164.15.128.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF098FC1A for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 11:47:52 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkMCAB10V06kD30E/2dsb2JhbAAMNoRMlDORSQcBAQEBAwEBASArIAoRCxgJFgsCAgkDAgECARUBCSYOBQIEAQEBARkEh1WpMZFahTuBEQSOEoJ4hw6MBA Received: from bebif01.ulb.ac.be (HELO [10.0.0.194]) ([164.15.125.4]) by smtp.ulb.ac.be with ESMTP; 26 Aug 2011 13:18:44 +0200 Message-ID: <4E578114.4050305@ulb.ac.be> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 13:18:44 +0200 From: Julien Cigar Organization: Belgian Biodiversity Platform User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110825 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000602090701060209060308" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: 9.0-RC1 Release? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 11:47:53 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000602090701060209060308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://wiki.freebsd.org/Releng/9.0TODO "CAUTION: FreeBSD Release Schedules may slip so the above dates are not guaranteed." On 08/26/2011 08:52, Nathaniel Torbett wrote: > Hello, > > Distrowatch has you slated to release 9.0-RC1 on 8/24. I cannot find the > release for download. Is this delayed and is there a new release > date/schedule? > > Thank you, > > Nathaniel Torbett > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. --------------000602090701060209060308-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 14:26:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981C0106564A for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:26:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDDF68FC12 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from remote.double-l.nl (double-l.xs4all.nl [80.126.205.144]) by smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7QEPl1s082422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:25:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from SRV01.double-l.local ([fe80::1128:e7bc:ba4a:a89a]) by SRV01.double-l.local ([fe80::1128:e7bc:ba4a:a89a%13]) with mapi id 14.01.0218.012; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:26:25 +0200 From: Johan Hendriks To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Thread-Index: Acxj/CKA/H+dDLYjRDaJ6DWoTZ0pYQ== Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:26:24 +0000 Message-ID: <6C3F8332272B7D4DA26909F15F1C90E1E5ABE6@SRV01.double-l.local> Accept-Language: nl-NL, en-US Content-Language: nl-NL X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.50.106] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: (no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:26:20 -0000 I am trying to set up CARP under 9.0 I want to know if my assumptions are right. The master is the server with the lowest advskew, and has the state MASTER,= as where the slave will be in state BACKUP. If the master fails, the slave will be promoted to MASTER. If the master comes backup, the Master wil be Master again, and the slave f= alls back to BACKUP. At least this is what i think should be the case. I now set up 2 FreeBSD 9.0 Beta1 machines. One master, and one slave. /etc/rc.conf on the master ifconfig_bge0=3D"inet 192.168.50.40 netmask 255.255.255.0" defaultrouter=3D"192.168.50.150" # CARP cloned_interfaces=3D"carp0" ifconfig_carp0=3D"vhid 1 advskew 10 pass letmepass 192.168.50.45 netmask 25= 5.255.255.0" On the slave i have the following in /etc/rc.conf ifconfig_bge0=3D"inet 192.168.50.41 netmask 255.255.255.0" defaultrouter=3D"192.168.50.150" # CARP cloned_interfaces=3D"carp0" ifconfig_carp0=3D"vhid 1 advskew 20 pass letmepass 192.168.50.45 netmask 25= 5.255.255.0" And on bothe machines i set net.inet.carp.preempt=3D1 In my assumption, if i raise the advskew value on the master, i could let t= hem flip role=92s So doing ifconfig carp0 advskew 30 on the master should change roles. However it does not happen Ifconfig on the master carp0: flags=3D49 metric 0 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.50.45 netmask 0xffffff00 nd6 options=3D29 carp: MASTER vhid 1 advbase 1 advskew 30 Ifconfig on the slave carp0: flags=3D49 metric 0 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.50.45 netmask 0xffffff00 nd6 options=3D29 carp: BACKUP vhid 1 advbase 1 advskew 20 So even with the higher advskew value the master stays master. Am i doing something wrong. Regards, Johan Hendriks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 14:52:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06648106566C for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:52:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C268FC08 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:52:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p7QEpT7i089992; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:51:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id p7QEpSQU089991; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:51:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:51:28 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Nathaniel Torbett Message-ID: <20110826145128.GE89591@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 9.0-RC1 Release? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:52:49 -0000 On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 01:52:02AM -0500, Nathaniel Torbett wrote: > Hello, > > Distrowatch has you slated to release 9.0-RC1 on 8/24. I cannot find the > release for download. Is this delayed and is there a new release > date/schedule? Anyone, even Distrowatch, who posts a specific date for a release before it happens doesn't know what they are talking about, At best, then are guessing. FreeBSD creates target dates for certain aspects of the work to help focus the work, but these are not official release dates. ////jerry > > Thank you, > > Nathaniel Torbett > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 14:58:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE809106566C for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:58:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8EC798FC0C for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:58:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 10637 invoked by uid 0); 26 Aug 2011 14:58:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2011 14:58:11 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=RjUF6vQPmeQC9e5z/4R3WshsgWGwvPGA+j1K+4QXcGc=; b=DXSCZc6Xh4TheTwvStc7o/Oi3pjIP57lLdg/3B6aqpzJ5Po5UZVkV/6t6RFzpHxeWBEixOLnWPF9ceSAoB027HfCSFXdYIAE3Onbf3HLvtgLUn8l4x366q6MsJ2M4bq9; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1QwxrF-0003mN-UT for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 08:58:11 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 26 Aug 2011 08:39:54 -0600 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 08:39:54 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110826143954.GA50537@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110826145128.GE89591@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110826145128.GE89591@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: 9.0-RC1 Release? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:58:11 -0000 --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:51:28AM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 01:52:02AM -0500, Nathaniel Torbett wrote: > >=20 > > Distrowatch has you slated to release 9.0-RC1 on 8/24. I cannot find t= he > > release for download. Is this delayed and is there a new release > > date/schedule? >=20 > Anyone, even Distrowatch, who posts a specific date for a release before= =20 > it happens doesn't know what they are talking about, At best, then > are guessing. FreeBSD creates target dates for certain aspects of > the work to help focus the work, but these are not official release dates. There's some truth in that. Firefox missed its first deadline in its new six week release schedule by a couple weeks -- and the Mozilla Foundation was *not* suggesting it would be "somewhere around" six weeks. In fact, I wish open source developers would adhere to hard and fast schedules less, and focus more on the quality of what they release. FreeBSD is better about this than many other high-profile projects I could name. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk5XsDoACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWmmwCgiU8zyGxqTUAtD76VPUnUq+Az 3ccAoMIgSGIXnppQqutoLekqcfLJRqd3 =35Ma -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 15:13:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13420106564A for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:13:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [91.121.44.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1258FC0C for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr12941.univ-rennes1.fr (mr129041.cri.univ-rennes1.fr [129.20.129.41]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 32E74FAA2DD3; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:13:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mr12941 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mr12941.univ-rennes1.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD11C7A000B; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:13:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:13:38 +0200 From: Patrick Lamaiziere To: Johan Hendriks Message-ID: <20110826171338.12dab256@mr12941> In-Reply-To: <6C3F8332272B7D4DA26909F15F1C90E1E5ABE6@SRV01.double-l.local> References: <6C3F8332272B7D4DA26909F15F1C90E1E5ABE6@SRV01.double-l.local> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.24.4; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: (no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:13:41 -0000 Le Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:26:24 +0000, Johan Hendriks a écrit : > Ifconfig on the master > carp0: flags=49 metric 0 mtu 1500 > inet 192.168.50.45 netmask 0xffffff00 > nd6 options=29 > carp: MASTER vhid 1 advbase 1 advskew 30 > > Ifconfig on the slave > carp0: flags=49 metric 0 mtu 1500 > inet 192.168.50.45 netmask 0xffffff00 > nd6 options=29 > carp: BACKUP vhid 1 advbase 1 advskew 20 > > So even with the higher advskew value the master stays master. > > Am i doing something wrong. May be the difference is not big enough. Did you try with a greater advskew value ? advskew is added to the advbase with a advskew/256 (see man carp(4)). Regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 15:26:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBDB61065674 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:26:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23DFE8FC1D for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:26:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from remote.double-l.nl (double-l.xs4all.nl [80.126.205.144]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7QFPqC7088077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:25:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from SRV01.double-l.local ([fe80::1128:e7bc:ba4a:a89a]) by SRV01.double-l.local ([fe80::1128:e7bc:ba4a:a89a%13]) with mapi id 14.01.0218.012; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:26:30 +0200 From: Johan Hendriks To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Thread-Topic: CARP on 9.0 (was no subject) Thread-Index: AcxkBIZfpJv14nlbShODG/2S+Y/3sQ== Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:26:28 +0000 Message-ID: <6C3F8332272B7D4DA26909F15F1C90E1E5AC4C@SRV01.double-l.local> Accept-Language: nl-NL, en-US Content-Language: nl-NL X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.50.106] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: CARP on 9.0 (was no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:26:25 -0000 I am trying to set up CARP under 9.0 I want to know if my assumptions are right. The master is the server with the lowest advskew, and has the state MASTER,= as where the slave will be in state BACKUP. If the master fails, the slave will be promoted to MASTER. If the master comes backup, the Master wil be Master again, and the slave f= alls back to BACKUP. At least this is what i think should be the case. I now set up 2 FreeBSD 9.0 Beta1 machines. One master, and one slave. /etc/rc.conf on the master ifconfig_bge0=3D"inet 192.168.50.40 netmask 255.255.255.0" defaultrouter=3D"192.168.50.150" # CARP cloned_interfaces=3D"carp0" ifconfig_carp0=3D"vhid 1 advskew 10 pass letmepass 192.168.50.45 netmask 25= 5.255.255.0" On the slave i have the following in /etc/rc.conf ifconfig_bge0=3D"inet 192.168.50.41 netmask 255.255.255.0" defaultrouter=3D"192.168.50.150" # CARP cloned_interfaces=3D"carp0" ifconfig_carp0=3D"vhid 1 advskew 20 pass letmepass 192.168.50.45 netmask 25= 5.255.255.0" And on bothe machines i set net.inet.carp.preempt=3D1 In my assumption, if i raise the advskew value on the master, i could let t= hem flip role=92s So doing ifconfig carp0 advskew 30 on the master should c= hange roles. However it does not happen Ifconfig on the master carp0: flags=3D49 metric 0 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.50.45 netmask 0xffffff00 nd6 options=3D29 carp: MASTER vhid 1 advbase 1 advskew 30 Ifconfig on the slave carp0: flags=3D49 metric 0 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.50.45 netmask 0xffffff00 nd6 options=3D29 carp: BACKUP vhid 1 advbase 1 advskew 20 So even with the higher advskew value the master stays master. Am i doing something wrong. Also with a higer value like advskew 200 or 254 the role of the servers sta= ys the same. Regards, Johan Hendriks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 16:05:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6BF21065670 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:05:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [91.121.44.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785AD8FC14 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:05:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr12941.univ-rennes1.fr (mr129041.cri.univ-rennes1.fr [129.20.129.41]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A3911FAA2DD3; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:05:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mr12941 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mr12941.univ-rennes1.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68BA67A000B; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:05:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:05:17 +0200 From: Patrick Lamaiziere To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110826180517.4e4e585f@mr12941> In-Reply-To: <6C3F8332272B7D4DA26909F15F1C90E1E5AC4C@SRV01.double-l.local> References: <6C3F8332272B7D4DA26909F15F1C90E1E5AC4C@SRV01.double-l.local> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.24.4; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Johan Hendriks Subject: Re: CARP on 9.0 (was no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:05:18 -0000 Le Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:26:28 +0000, Johan Hendriks a écrit : > I am trying to set up CARP under 9.0 ... > Also with a higer value like advskew 200 or 254 the role of the > servers stays the same. Ok, there is something wrong so. Did you check that the sysctl net.inet.carp.suppress_preempt is equal to zero ? If yes, I don't have any more idea. Regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 15:08:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F3B106564A for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:08:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jimmiejaz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE3DE8FC16 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:08:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so2087130ewy.13 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 08:08:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=I9P7dnB0/e8daomWTdDlljxSnk20NFDV8YHrGLmq2Nc=; b=YkAaFjCxUxo8U/J+Fo7yoeHjQCfPLEuKKTZ5eBHAsu6TyjolLazFkvWHzXSlcVNaGk fqT5JLtn0dtV0zmBogDg2oFE6239koOl4u3ydDXalGl2bwlwZNfBf1N/4QZQrDYkcN3R N6WDjUKRNf88rV1GirnZ8CashmYjpcf4Y+c4A= Received: by 10.213.28.18 with SMTP id k18mr560115ebc.57.1314371294789; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 08:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jimmiejaz.org (bas2-toronto44-3096460822.dsl.bell.ca [184.144.62.22]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u44sm1120571eef.48.2011.08.26.08.08.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 26 Aug 2011 08:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E57B6DB.3040701@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 11:08:11 -0400 From: Jimmie James User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110825 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:14:21 +0000 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: libnotify & notification-daemon oddness X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jimmiejaz@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:08:16 -0000 libnotify-0.7.3_1 notification-daemon-0.7.1 FreeBSD jimmiejaz.org 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #0: Sun Jun 26 08:42:45 EDT 2011 jimmie@jimmiejaz.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FORTYTWO i386 After following the portupgrade steps to update libnotify and libproxy (notification-daemon got rebuild as well), I've lost pop-up notifications in XFCE4. Thunderbird, transmission were rebuilt as well. Before, thunderbird, transmission would show a box with information when they wanted attention, now they don't. All I'm seeing is "libnotify-WARNING **: Failed to connect to proxy" when the event is supposed to happen. The only thing I can really see is: /usr/local/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Notifications.service is no longer installed. From the notification-daemon Makefile is it's not using GTK3. Is anyone else seeing this, have an idea how to restore the expected behavior? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 16:38:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A8C1065670 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:38:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lavalamp@probikesllc.com) Received: from relay02.pair.com (relay02.pair.com [209.68.5.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 21D208FC0A for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:38:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 39754 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2011 16:11:21 -0000 Received: from 216.151.95.152 (HELO vger.digitalfreaks.org) (216.151.95.152) by relay02.pair.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2011 16:11:21 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 216.151.95.152 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 12:11:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian Seklecki (Mobile)" X-X-Sender: lavalamp@vger.digitalfreaks.org To: Patrick Lamaiziere In-Reply-To: <20110826180517.4e4e585f@mr12941> Message-ID: References: <6C3F8332272B7D4DA26909F15F1C90E1E5AC4C@SRV01.double-l.local> <20110826180517.4e4e585f@mr12941> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Johan Hendriks , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CARP on 9.0 (was no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:38:02 -0000 How about: %sudo netstat -s carp ...on both machines. A few years ago I submitted (or maybe it was Steve Polyack) a patch to add debugging to CARP, not sure if it ever got commited. Need-more-Cisco'sih-Debugging. ~BAS On Fri, 26 Aug 2011, Patrick Lamaiziere wrote: > Le Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:26:28 +0000, > Johan Hendriks a ?crit : > >> I am trying to set up CARP under 9.0 > > ... > >> Also with a higer value like advskew 200 or 254 the role of the >> servers stays the same. > > Ok, there is something wrong so. > > Did you check that the sysctl net.inet.carp.suppress_preempt is equal > to zero ? If yes, I don't have any more idea. > > Regards. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 17:42:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7028106566C for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:42:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhall@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1g.socket.net [216.106.88.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AECE88FC22 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [216.106.88.17]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9A55545941; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 12:42:27 -0500 (CDT) To: mike@sentex.net From: jhall@socket.net X-Apparently-from: jhall@mail.socket.net X-Remote-Host: 174.34.27.163 User-Agent: Socket WebMail References: <20110823232242.B78A5106566B@hub.freebsd.org> <4E545899.6090800@sentex.net> <20110825155205.A0D131065670@hub.freebsd.org> <4E5696D0.3000205@sentex.net> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 12:42:27 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20110826174228.E7028106566C@hub.freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: Racoon to Cisco ASA 5505 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jhall@socket.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:42:29 -0000 I am seeing a couple of things that are concerning me. First, I am not seeing any traffic over the gif interface, except return traffic. For example if I ping from one of my sites (e.g. 10.129.30.0/24), I do not see any traffic on the gif interface. Second, I am seeing the following error message, "Header checksum: 0X0000 [incorrect, should be 0x8d84 (maybe caused by "IP Checksum Offload?)]. I spoke to our vendor this morning, an they are seeing encrypted packets flowing to them. However, I am not able to ping their devices until they initiate the traffic. This is when I am not seeing any traffic on the gif interface. Following are the policies I have defined for the 10.129.30 network. All policies are a copy of these with the correct networks added. spdadd 10.129.30.0/24 192.168.100.0/22 any -P out ipsec esp/tunnel/1.1.1.1-184.106.120.244/use; spdadd 192.168.100.0/22 10.129.30.0/24 any -P in ipsec esp/tunnel/184.106.120.244-1.1.1.1/use; spdadd 184.106.120.244/32 10.129.30.0/24 any -P in ipsec esp/tunnel/184.106.120.244-1.1.1.1/use; spdadd 10.129.30.0/24 184.106.120.244/32 any -P out ipsec esp/tunnel/184.106.120.244-1.1.1.1/use; Thank you for all your help. If you would like the results of the capture posted, please let me know and I will post them as well. Jay ---------------------------------------------------- >From : Mike Tancsa To : jhall@socket.net Subject : Re: Racoon to Cisco ASA 5505 Date : Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:39:12 -0400 > On 8/25/2011 11:52 AM, jhall@socket.net wrote: > >> I find wireshark helpful in these cases as it nicely decodes what > >> options are being set. Your racoon conf is set to obey. Its possible > >> they are proposing something different to you that you accept, where as > >> what you are proposing might not be acceptable > > > > My vendor came back to me today and stated they found a configuration > > error on their end. Their most recent message states the traffic I am > > sending to them through the IPSec tunnel is not encrypted. > > What does your actual policy look like ? Is this the only ipsec config > on your box ? If so, lets say your public IP is 1.1.1.1 and their ip is > 184.106.120.244 > > try adding this to /etc/ipsec.conf > > spdadd 10.129.30.0/24 192.168.100.0/22 any -P out ipsec > esp/tunnel/1.1.1.1-184.106.120.244/unique; > spdadd 192.168.100.0/22 10.129.30.0/24 any -P in ipsec > esp/tunnel/184.106.120.244-1.1.1.1/unique; > > > > do a > setkey -F > setkey -FP > setkey -f /etc/ipsec.conf > > This is saying that you will create an ipsec policy between 2 networks. > Your side behind 1.1.1.1 and their side behind 184.106.120.244. > The policy states that packets with a source address of 10.129.30.0/24 > destined to 192.168.100.0/22 will be encapsulated in an ipsec tunnel. > Similarly, everything going the other direction - 192.168.100.0/22 going > to 10.129.30.0/24... And *only* those packets. If you have a packet > with a source address of 10.0.0.1 destined to 192.168.100.0/22, it will > not be passed through the tunnel. > > > > > > Following is what they sent me from the ASA. > > > > Crypto map tag: rackmap, seq num: 201, local addr: 184.106.120.244 > > > > access-list 201 extended permit ip 192.168.100.0 255.255.252.0 > > 10.129.30.0 255.255.255.0 > > local ident (addr/mask/prot/port): (192.168.100.0/255.255.252.0/0/0) > > remote ident (addr/mask/prot/port): (10.129.30.0/255.255.255.0/0/0) > > current_peer: Jefferson_City > > > > You then need to make sure your key exchange settings agree. Ask them > for that portion of the ASA's config. > > You are proposing > exchange_mode main,base,aggressive; > You are known to them by IP (my_identifier address) > You should probably add > peers_identifier address; > and then make sure in your psk.txt file you have something like > > 184.106.120.244 the-secret-psk-you-agreed-on > > Also, make sure their side is expecting 3des and hmac is sha1 or md5 as > you posted in your original config. > > > > On your public wan interface, do a tcpdump of the remote IP. e.g. if its > em0, do > > tcpdump -ni em0 -s0 -w /tmp/186.pcap host 184.106.120.244 > > > startup racoon with the debug flag > and from your network, try and ping an IP in their private network from > your private network > > > e.g. > ping -S 10.129.30.1 192.168.100.1 > > When testing ipsec, get in the habbit of ALWAYS specifying the source IP > so that you know the packet you are generating falls within the policy > you have specified. > > If things dont work, look at the racoon logs for clues as well as look > at the pcap afterwards with -vvvv > tcpdump -vvvv -nr /tmp/186.pcap port 500 > > if it worked and you get a ping response, look at the full traffic to > make sure its ESP and that the contents are indeed encrypted. > > ---Mike > > -- > ------------------- > Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 > Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net > Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net > Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 18:15:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED7AA106564A for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:15:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1-6.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED958FC08 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a] (saphire3.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7QIFJ0N006088; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:15:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-ID: <4E57E2B1.9000508@sentex.net> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:15:13 -0400 From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jhall@socket.net References: <20110823232242.B78A5106566B@hub.freebsd.org> <4E545899.6090800@sentex.net> <20110825155205.A0D131065670@hub.freebsd.org> <4E5696D0.3000205@sentex.net> <201108261742.p7QHgS2H095637@smtp1.sentex.ca> In-Reply-To: <201108261742.p7QHgS2H095637@smtp1.sentex.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Racoon to Cisco ASA 5505 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:15:23 -0000 On 8/26/2011 1:42 PM, jhall@socket.net wrote: > I am seeing a couple of things that are concerning me. > > First, I am not seeing any traffic over the gif interface, except return > traffic. For example if I ping from one of my sites (e.g. > 10.129.30.0/24), I do not see any traffic on the gif interface. IP-IP interface ? (GIF). If you are using that, then you will need very different policies on both sides. You should mention these little "details" when posting your configs. Can you please post your FULL configuration / topology. Otherwise, its kind of impossible to know what the issue might be ---Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 18:22:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1DE106567A; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:22:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CF88FC15; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:22:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from remote.double-l.nl (double-l.xs4all.nl [80.126.205.144]) by smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7QIM3T0038699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:22:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from SRV01.double-l.local ([fe80::1128:e7bc:ba4a:a89a]) by SRV01.double-l.local ([fe80::1128:e7bc:ba4a:a89a%13]) with mapi id 14.01.0218.012; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:22:38 +0200 From: Johan Hendriks To: "Brian Seklecki (Mobile)" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Thread-Topic: CARP on 9.0 (was no subject) Thread-Index: AcxkBIZfpJv14nlbShODG/2S+Y/3sf//6VCAgAABsoCAAEJNew== Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:22:37 +0000 Message-ID: <6C3F8332272B7D4DA26909F15F1C90E1E5ACC4@SRV01.double-l.local> References: <6C3F8332272B7D4DA26909F15F1C90E1E5AC4C@SRV01.double-l.local> <20110826180517.4e4e585f@mr12941>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: nl-NL, en-US Content-Language: nl-NL X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.50.200] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: CARP on 9.0 (was no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:22:36 -0000 >How about: > %sudo netstat -s carp >...on both machines. >A few years ago I submitted (or maybe it was Steve Polyack) a patch to add >debugging to CARP, not sure if it ever got commited. >Need-more-Cisco'sih-Debugging. >~BAS >On Fri, 26 Aug 2011, Patrick Lamaiziere wrote: >> Le Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:26:28 +0000, >> Johan Hendriks a ?crit : >> >>> I am trying to set up CARP under 9.0 >> >> ... >> >>> Also with a higer value like advskew 200 or 254 the role of the >>> servers stays the same. >> >> Ok, there is something wrong so. >> >> Did you check that the sysctl net.inet.carp.suppress_preempt is equal >> to zero ? If yes, I don't have any more idea. >> >> Regards. Hello=20 first off all thanks for your time. sysctl -a | grep carp on both machines give me the following output sysctl -a | grep carp device carp net.inet.ip.same_prefix_carp_only: 0 net.inet.carp.allow: 1 net.inet.carp.preempt: 0 net.inet.carp.log: 2 net.inet.carp.arpbalance: 0 net.inet.carp.suppress_preempt: 0 netstat -s on the master carp: 260 packets received (IPv4) 0 packets received (IPv6) 0 packets discarded for wrong TTL 0 packets shorter than header 0 discarded for bad checksums 0 discarded packets with a bad version 0 discarded because packet too short 0 discarded for bad authentication 0 discarded for bad vhid 0 discarded because of a bad address list 11430 packets sent (IPv4) 0 packets sent (IPv6) 0 send failed due to mbuf memory error netstat -s on the slave carp: 11735 packets received (IPv4) 0 packets received (IPv6) 0 packets discarded for wrong TTL 0 packets shorter than header 0 discarded for bad checksums 0 discarded packets with a bad version 0 discarded because packet too short 0 discarded for bad authentication 0 discarded for bad vhid 0 discarded because of a bad address list 448 packets sent (IPv4) 0 packets sent (IPv6) 0 send failed due to mbuf memory error tcpdump -i bge0 on slave 20:10:48.868200 IP 192.168.50.40 > vrrp.mcast.net: VRRPv2, Advertisement, v= rid 1, prio 50, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36 Here the advskew is set to 50, on the slave it is 20. So the slave should be the master. if i raise the advskew to 254, i see the change in the capture. Both machines are fresh install with nothing changed on them so far just a = fresh build from a csup this morning. And installed bash as the shell.. for freebsd-current@ the /etc/rc.conf file again Master=20 ifconfig_bge0=3D"inet 192.168.50.40 netmask 255.255.255.0" defaultrouter=3D"192.168.50.150" # CARP cloned_interfaces=3D"carp0" ifconfig_carp0=3D"vhid 1 advskew 10 pass letmepass 192.168.50.45 netmask 25= 5.255.255.0" On the slave i have the following in /etc/rc.conf ifconfig_bge0=3D"inet 192.168.50.41 netmask 255.255.255.0" defaultrouter=3D"192.168.50.150" # CARP cloned_interfaces=3D"carp0" ifconfig_carp0=3D"vhid 1 advskew 20 pass letmepass 192.168.50.45 netmask 25= 5.255.255.0" regards, Johan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 18:34:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E81471065672 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:34:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA6978FC08 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:34:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.93]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C0AA716B586 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 13:34:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 13:34:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 13:34:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.6dollardialup.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: What USB dialup modem WILL work with 8.2? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:34:28 -0000 On the basis of what I now believe was malicious advice, I am out of pocket for a USB US Robotics 56k dialup modem. However, this device attaches as a ugen device. I haven't found a way to make ppp on demand work with it attached that way. I do not load umass because I am using hplip and it must be grabbed by ugen. Otherwise my kernel is generic. However, I would be very surprised that umass is necessary for the modem to attach correctly. So I am asking again: does anyone have a dialup modem of any kind which works correctly on 8.x to provide ppp-on-demand? If so what is it? -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 18:39:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B56A106566C for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:39:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470E68FC13 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:39:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [82.113.99.135] (helo=tiny.Sisis.de.) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qx1Jf-00026y-Ka; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:39:45 +0200 Received: from tiny.Sisis.de. (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiny.Sisis.de. (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p7QIebFF001233; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:40:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by tiny.Sisis.de. (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id p7QIeYLo001232; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:40:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: tiny.Sisis.de.: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:40:34 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Lars Eighner Message-ID: <20110826184033.GA1195@tiny> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Originating-IP: 82.113.99.135 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What USB dialup modem WILL work with 8.2? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:39:47 -0000 El día Friday, August 26, 2011 a las 01:34:03PM -0500, Lars Eighner escribió: > > On the basis of what I now believe was malicious advice, I am out of pocket > for a USB US Robotics 56k dialup modem. However, this device attaches as a > ugen device. I haven't found a way to make ppp on demand work with it > attached that way. > > I do not load umass because I am using hplip and it must be grabbed by ugen. > Otherwise my kernel is generic. However, I would be very surprised that > umass is necessary for the modem to attach correctly. > > So I am asking again: does anyone have a dialup modem of any kind which > works correctly on 8.x to provide ppp-on-demand? If so what is it? Check out ucom(4) or ubsa(4) if your device is supported. I'm using USB based UMTS "modems" with ubsa.ko with success. matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 18:40:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 973F11065673 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:40:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhall@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1g.socket.net [216.106.88.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768648FC19 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:40:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [216.106.88.17]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 11D064594C; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 13:40:37 -0500 (CDT) To: mike@sentex.net From: jhall@socket.net X-Apparently-from: jhall@mail.socket.net X-Remote-Host: 174.34.27.163 User-Agent: Socket WebMail References: <20110823232242.B78A5106566B@hub.freebsd.org> <4E545899.6090800@sentex.net> <20110825155205.A0D131065670@hub.freebsd.org> <4E5696D0.3000205@sentex.net> <201108261742.p7QHgS2H095637@smtp1.sentex.ca> <4E57E2B1.9000508@sentex.net> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 13:40:37 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20110826184037.973F11065673@hub.freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: Racoon to Cisco ASA 5505 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jhall@socket.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:40:37 -0000 ---------------------------------------------------- > IP-IP interface ? (GIF). If you are using that, then you will need very > different policies on both sides. You should mention these little > "details" when posting your configs. Can you please post your FULL > configuration / topology. Otherwise, its kind of impossible to know what > the issue might be > > ---Mike Connecting 10.129.0.0/16 to 192.168.100.0/22. Their router is 192.168.100.1, and my BSD box is 10.129.10.40. GIF is configured as follows. gif21: flags=8051 metric 0 mtu 1280 tunnel inet 1.1.1.1 --> 184.106.120.244 inet 10.129.10.40 --> 192.168.100.1 netmask 0xff000000 options=1 racoon.conf remote 184.106.120.244 { exchange_mode main,base,aggressive; # exchange_mode main,passive; doi ipsec_doi; situation identity_only; mode_cfg on; my_identifier address 65.117.48.155; # certificate_type x509 "my.cert.pem" "my.key.pem"; # nonce_size 16; # initial_contact on; lifetime time 86400 secs; proposal { encryption_algorithm 3des; hash_algorithm sha1; authentication_method pre_shared_key; dh_group 2; } } sainfo address 1.1.1.1/32 any address 184.106.120.244 any { pfs_group 2; encryption_algorithm 3des; lifetime time 28800 secs; authentication_algorithm hmac_sha1, hmac_md5; compression_algorithm deflate; } setkey - only one site is shown since others are simply a copy of this one. spdadd 10.129.30.0/24 192.168.100.0/22 any -P out ipsec esp/tunnel/1.1.1.1-184.106.120.244/use; spdadd 192.168.100.0/22 10.129.30.0/24 any -P in ipsec esp/tunnel/184.106.120.244-1.1.1.1/use; spdadd 184.106.120.244/32 10.129.30.0/24 any -P in ipsec esp/tunnel/184.106.120.244-1.1.1.1/use; spdadd 10.129.30.0/24 184.106.120.244/32 any -P out ipsec esp/tunnel/184.106.120.244-1.1.1.1/use; route table - only the routes to the remote network are listed. 192.168.100.0/22 192.168.100.1 UGS 0 131 gif21 192.168.100.1 link#19 UH 0 185 gif21 Packet forwarding is enabled. # sysctl net.inet.ip.forwarding net.inet.ip.forwarding: 1 Firewall rules pass in quick all pass out quick all What else is needed? Thanks for all your help. Jay From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 18:50:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26421065673 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:50:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd-ml@gehlbach.com) Received: from element.websitewelcome.com (element.websitewelcome.com [74.53.26.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AB408FC19 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [64.253.112.88] (port=57357 helo=[192.168.50.97]) by element.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qx1Tt-0001mN-Ot for questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 13:50:18 -0500 Message-ID: <4E57EAEF.1020300@gehlbach.com> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:50:23 -0400 From: Renee Gehlbach User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.20) Gecko/20110805 Thunderbird/3.1.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org References: <201108252238.p7PMcwxQ020019@mail.r-bonomi.com> In-Reply-To: <201108252238.p7PMcwxQ020019@mail.r-bonomi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - element.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gehlbach.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: lexdsl01.4.0.0.178.a.iglou.com ([192.168.50.97]) [64.253.112.88]:57357 X-Source-Auth: krgehlba@support.gehlbach.com X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: cmRnZWhsYmE7cmRnZWhsYmE7ZWxlbWVudC53ZWJzaXRld2VsY29tZS5jb20= Cc: Subject: Re: Problem reading from tape drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:50:20 -0000 On 08/25/2011 06:38 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: >> From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 25 13:57:20 2011 >> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:24:57 -0400 >> From: Renee Gehlbach >> To: questions@freebsd.org >> Cc: >> Subject: Problem reading from tape drive >> >> I recently purchased a FreeBSD-compatible SAS card (an Adaptec ASR >> 2045) and moved our backup server from Ubuntu to FreeBSD 8.2. I am >> trying to set up the backup software, but am having problems with the >> tape drive. Hopefully this is a "duh" type question, since I have a lot >> more experience working with tape drives in Ubuntu than FreeBSD. >> >> I installed bacula, and ran the test function in the btape utility. It >> wrote 10000 blocks, wrote EOF, wrote 10000 blocks, wrote EOF, wrote >> EOF. Rewound the tape. Read 10000 blocks, failed reading the second >> 10000 blocks. I had no luck researching the bacula error message, so I >> switched to mt and tar for further troubleshooting. >> >> camcontrol devlist does show the tape drive: >> backup# camcontrol devlist >> at scbus2 target 0 lun 0 (sa0,pass0) >> >> >> So then I went into a directory that had one subdirectory, which >> contained several plain text logfiles. I did four tars, alternating >> between that directory and the subdirectory (so I would be able to see a >> difference between the tar files). >> >> backup# mt -f /dev/nsa0 rewind >> backup# tar -cf /dev/nsa0 * >> backup# cd log/ >> backup# tar -cf /dev/nsa0 * >> backup# cd .. >> backup# tar -cf /dev/nsa0 * >> backup# cd log/ >> backup# tar -cf /dev/nsa0 * >> >> >> So far so good. Then I went back to read those tar files. >> >> backup# mt -f /dev/nsa0 rewind >> backup# tar -tf /dev/nsa0 >> log/ >> log/mbw01.log >> (....insert rest of correct tar listing) >> backup# tar -tf /dev/nsa0 >> tar: Unrecognized archive format >> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors. >> >> >> So....same results as bacula's tape test utility was giving.....it >> writes, it reads the first file, then errors on trying to read the >> second file. However: >> >> >> backup# mt -f /dev/nsa0 rewind >> backup# tar -tf /dev/nsa0 >> log/ >> log/mbw01.log >> (....insert rest of correct tar listing) >> backup# mt -f /dev/nsa0 fsf >> backup# tar -tf /dev/nsa0 >> mbw01.log >> (....insert rest of correct tar listing) >> backup# mt -f /dev/nsa0 fsf >> backup# tar -tf /dev/nsa0 >> log/ >> log/mbw01.log >> (....insert rest of correct tar listing) >> backup# mt -f /dev/nsa0 fsf >> backup# tar -tf /dev/nsa0 >> mbw01.log >> (....insert rest of correct tar listing) >> backup# mt -f /dev/nsa0 fsf >> >> >> So, when I tell it to forward space file at the end of each tar file, it >> is able to read all four files correctly. This leaves me scratching my >> head, and wondering what the heck I've set up wrong. Any ideas? > Tape drivers _always_ write two EOFs when the tape device is closed. > This ensures there is always a valid 'EOT' on the tape. > > They're _suppoesed_ to backspace over the 2nd EOF mark, so that > a subsequent write has only one EOF between it and the prior file. > > Looks like your drive isn't doing the 'backspace' right. > > I suspect the 'easiest' work around is the one you've discovered -- do > an 'mt -fsf' after avery tape file 'read'. > > > OK, I feel pretty dense.... When you're saying they write two EOFs when the device is closed, would this happen every time you write a file? Or would it be every time the tape is unmounted? Or would that depend on the program you're using? Is there any way I could test to make sure this is in fact what's happening? And would the problem with it not doing the backspace right be an issue with the FreeBSD tape driver? Or SCSI card driver? Or what driver? Obviously not a problem with the drive itself, since I don't have this problem with Ubuntu. Unfortunately, the "workaround" of running mt -fsf after every file read isn't really usable workaround.....I need the tape drive to work with bacula, not just running tars. Where do I go from here? Thanks, Renee From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 18:54:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B33F106566B for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:54:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1-6.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB188FC1A for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:54:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a] (saphire3.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7QIsh6M012833; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:54:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-ID: <4E57EBED.7070900@sentex.net> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:54:37 -0400 From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jhall@socket.net References: <20110823232242.B78A5106566B@hub.freebsd.org> <4E545899.6090800@sentex.net> <20110825155205.A0D131065670@hub.freebsd.org> <4E5696D0.3000205@sentex.net> <201108261742.p7QHgS2H095637@smtp1.sentex.ca> <4E57E2B1.9000508@sentex.net> <201108261840.p7QIebBP015777@smtp2.sentex.ca> In-Reply-To: <201108261840.p7QIebBP015777@smtp2.sentex.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Racoon to Cisco ASA 5505 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:54:47 -0000 On 8/26/2011 2:40 PM, jhall@socket.net wrote: > > ---------------------------------------------------- >> IP-IP interface ? (GIF). If you are using that, then you will need very >> different policies on both sides. You should mention these little >> "details" when posting your configs. Can you please post your FULL >> configuration / topology. Otherwise, its kind of impossible to know what >> the issue might be >> >> ---Mike > > Connecting 10.129.0.0/16 to 192.168.100.0/22. Their router is > 192.168.100.1, and my BSD box is 10.129.10.40. What does their policy look like ? Are they really setting up an IP-IP tunnel on their side too ? Or just a regular ESP IPSEC tunnel. If they are not setting up an IP-IP tunnel, than get rid of the gif interface. -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 18:55:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E28A1065673 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:55:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [91.121.44.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3E98FC18 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (33.169.100.84.rev.sfr.net [84.100.169.33]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 21EFFFAA2DD3; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:55:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F58C73D0C; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:55:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:55:42 +0200 From: Patrick Lamaiziere To: Johan Hendriks Message-ID: <20110826205542.0921edb9@davenulle.org> In-Reply-To: <6C3F8332272B7D4DA26909F15F1C90E1E5ACC4@SRV01.double-l.local> References: <6C3F8332272B7D4DA26909F15F1C90E1E5AC4C@SRV01.double-l.local> <20110826180517.4e4e585f@mr12941> <6C3F8332272B7D4DA26909F15F1C90E1E5ACC4@SRV01.double-l.local> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: CARP on 9.0 (was no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:55:45 -0000 Le Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:22:37 +0000, Johan Hendriks a écrit : > net.inet.carp.preempt: 0 You said it was equal to 1 on both machines. It should be at 1. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 19:10:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8017B106566B for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:10:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr16.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr16.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7748FC0C for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:10:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from remote.double-l.nl (double-l.xs4all.nl [80.126.205.144]) by smtp-vbr16.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7QJ9irZ034600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 Aug 2011 21:09:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from SRV01.double-l.local ([fe80::1128:e7bc:ba4a:a89a]) by SRV01.double-l.local ([fe80::1128:e7bc:ba4a:a89a%13]) with mapi id 14.01.0218.012; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 21:10:22 +0200 From: Johan Hendriks To: Patrick Lamaiziere Thread-Topic: CARP on 9.0 (was no subject) Thread-Index: AcxkBIZfpJv14nlbShODG/2S+Y/3sf//6VCAgAABsoCAAEJNe///654A///cfmA= Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:10:20 +0000 Message-ID: <6C3F8332272B7D4DA26909F15F1C90E1E5AE6D@SRV01.double-l.local> References: <6C3F8332272B7D4DA26909F15F1C90E1E5AC4C@SRV01.double-l.local> <20110826180517.4e4e585f@mr12941> <6C3F8332272B7D4DA26909F15F1C90E1E5ACC4@SRV01.double-l.local> <20110826205542.0921edb9@davenulle.org> In-Reply-To: <20110826205542.0921edb9@davenulle.org> Accept-Language: nl-NL, en-US Content-Language: nl-NL X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.50.106] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: CARP on 9.0 (was no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:10:16 -0000 >Le Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:22:37 +0000, >Johan Hendriks a =E9crit : >> net.inet.carp.preempt: 0 >You said it was equal to 1 on both machines. It should be at 1. Luckely i used the slave for that. :D I need to work on my copy paste techniques. The master had indeed net.inet.carp.preempt=3D1 in the sysctl file. The slave however was mangled to inet.inet.carp.preempt=3D1 in the sysctl f= ile I proberbly het the i twice in vi before the paste. I will sit in the corner and write myself 1000 lines. I will not fall in the copy/paste trap as all GUI users!!! I will not fall in the copy/paste trap as all GUI users!!! I will ....... And i will not use copy/paste for that :D Thanks again for your time. It works as advertised now. Thanks again. Regards Johan Hendriks =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 19:33:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A64106568D for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:33:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp04.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp04.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.153.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE208FC16 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:33:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c83-255-51-20.bredband.comhem.se ([83.255.51.20]:41564 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp04.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Qx1xT-0005MA-Ez for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 21:20:53 +0200 Received: (qmail 984 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2011 21:20:49 +0200 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 26 Aug 2011 21:20:49 +0200 Received: (qmail 9146 invoked by uid 1001); 26 Aug 2011 21:21:02 +0200 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 21:21:02 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: Lars Eighner Message-ID: <20110826192102.GA9033@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Originating-IP: 83.255.51.20 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1Qx1xT-0005MA-Ez. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp04.sth.basefarm.net 1Qx1xT-0005MA-Ez af8a2abec0f7c80fb35e0c0ac7859019 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What USB dialup modem WILL work with 8.2? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:33:47 -0000 On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 01:34:03PM -0500, Lars Eighner wrote: > > On the basis of what I now believe was malicious advice, I am out of pocket > for a USB US Robotics 56k dialup modem. However, this device attaches as a > ugen device. I haven't found a way to make ppp on demand work with it > attached that way. > > I do not load umass because I am using hplip and it must be grabbed by ugen. > Otherwise my kernel is generic. However, I would be very surprised that > umass is necessary for the modem to attach correctly. umass should certainly not be needed for a modem to work, it is for hard disks and the like. What probably is needed on the other hand is umodem(4) and/or ucom(4). I do not belive they are included in a GENERIC kernel so you might not have those modules loaded. If you have not already tried it make sure those modules are loaded and see if your modem attaches to umodem. > > So I am asking again: does anyone have a dialup modem of any kind which > works correctly on 8.x to provide ppp-on-demand? If so what is it? IF you have a classic RS-232 serial port that is supported then any external modem that connects via RS-232 should work. As for what serial ports work is another question. Just about all of those built-in on motherboards should work, but unfortunately many modern motherboards do not include serial ports any longer. Expansion cards (PCI or PCI-E) may or may not work depending on exactly what chips are used on the cards. (If that use classic 16550A chips (or a good copy thereof) chances are excellent that it will work. If they use more modern (and more powerful) chips the chances are not quite so excellent.) (As for promises about what *will* 100% guaranteed work, which seems to be what you really want, I am afraid I can't give any. It has been several years since I last used a dialup modem, so I don't know for sure what *will* work with todays software, only what should work.) -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 19:51:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B55D7106566C for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:51:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1-6.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9A48FC08 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a] (saphire3.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7QJpLAX021295; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:51:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-ID: <4E57F933.1080303@sentex.net> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:51:15 -0400 From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erik Trulsson References: <20110826192102.GA9033@owl.midgard.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <20110826192102.GA9033@owl.midgard.homeip.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What USB dialup modem WILL work with 8.2? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:51:24 -0000 On 8/26/2011 3:21 PM, Erik Trulsson wrote: >> So I am asking again: does anyone have a dialup modem of any kind which >> works correctly on 8.x to provide ppp-on-demand? If so what is it? > (As for promises about what *will* 100% guaranteed work, which seems to > be what you really want, I am afraid I can't give any. It has been > several years since I last used a dialup modem, so I don't know for > sure what *will* work with todays software, only what should work.) Works for me once umodem is loaded as a kld... # usbconfig show_ifdrv ugen0.1: at usbus0, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=SAVE ugen0.1.0: uhub0: ugen1.1: at usbus1, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=HIGH (480Mbps) pwr=SAVE ugen1.1.0: uhub1: ugen1.2: at usbus1, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=HIGH (480Mbps) pwr=ON ugen1.2.0: umodem0: ugen1.2: at usbus1, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=HIGH (480Mbps) pwr=ON bLength = 0x0012 bDescriptorType = 0x0001 bcdUSB = 0x0200 bDeviceClass = 0x0002 bDeviceSubClass = 0x0000 bDeviceProtocol = 0x0000 bMaxPacketSize0 = 0x0040 idVendor = 0x0baf idProduct = 0x0303 bcdDevice = 0x0200 iManufacturer = 0x0001 iProduct = 0x0002 iSerialNumber = 0x000a <0000002> bNumConfigurations = 0x0001 # sysctl -a dev.umodem dev.umodem.0.%desc: AltIf0 dev.umodem.0.%driver: umodem dev.umodem.0.%location: bus=1 hubaddr=2 port=1 devaddr=2 interface=0 dev.umodem.0.%pnpinfo: vendor=0x0baf product=0x0303 devclass=0x02 devsubclass=0x00 sernum="0000002" release=0x0200 mode=host intclass=0x02 intsubclass=0x02 intprotocol=0x01 ttyname=U0 ttyports=1 dev.umodem.0.%parent: uhub1 # cu -l /dev/cuaU0 Connected ati 5601 OK ati2 OK ati3 U.S. Robotics 56K FAX USB V1.1.0 OK Also just tried this modem below which I am surprised works! http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=60062&vpn=TFM-561U&manufacture=TRENDnet # usbconfig show_ifdrv ugen0.1: at usbus0, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=SAVE ugen0.1.0: uhub0: ugen1.1: at usbus1, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=HIGH (480Mbps) pwr=SAVE ugen1.1.0: uhub1: ugen0.2: at usbus0, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=ON ugen0.2.0: umodem0: ugen0.2: at usbus0, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=ON bLength = 0x0012 bDescriptorType = 0x0001 bcdUSB = 0x0110 bDeviceClass = 0x0002 bDeviceSubClass = 0x0000 bDeviceProtocol = 0x0000 bMaxPacketSize0 = 0x0040 idVendor = 0x0572 idProduct = 0x1329 bcdDevice = 0x0100 iManufacturer = 0x0001 iProduct = 0x0002 iSerialNumber = 0x0003 <24680246> bNumConfigurations = 0x0002 # cu -l /dev/cuaU0 Connected ati 56000 OK ati2 OK ati3 CX93001-EIS_V0.2002-V92 OK # sysctl -a dev.umodem dev.umodem.0.%desc: Conexant USB Modem, class 2/0, rev 1.10/1.00, addr 2 dev.umodem.0.%driver: umodem dev.umodem.0.%location: bus=1 hubaddr=1 port=0 devaddr=2 interface=0 dev.umodem.0.%pnpinfo: vendor=0x0572 product=0x1329 devclass=0x02 devsubclass=0x00 sernum="24680246" release=0x0100 mode=host intclass=0x02 intsubclass=0x02 intprotocol=0x01 ttyname=U0 ttyports=1 dev.umodem.0.%parent: uhub0 ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 20:52:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B55D61065670 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:52:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhall@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1g.socket.net [216.106.88.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94AC58FC1E for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [216.106.88.17]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C3AE4593D; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:52:50 -0500 (CDT) To: mike@sentex.net From: jhall@socket.net X-Apparently-from: jhall@mail.socket.net X-Remote-Host: 174.34.27.163 User-Agent: Socket WebMail References: <20110823232242.B78A5106566B@hub.freebsd.org> <4E545899.6090800@sentex.net> <20110825155205.A0D131065670@hub.freebsd.org> <4E5696D0.3000205@sentex.net> <201108261742.p7QHgS2H095637@smtp1.sentex.ca> <4E57E2B1.9000508@sentex.net> <201108261840.p7QIebBP015777@smtp2.sentex.ca> <4E57EBED.7070900@sentex.net> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:52:50 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20110826205251.B55D61065670@hub.freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: Racoon to Cisco ASA 5505 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jhall@socket.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:52:51 -0000 What does their policy look like ? Are they really setting up an IP-IP > tunnel on their side too ? Or just a regular ESP IPSEC tunnel. If they > are not setting up an IP-IP tunnel, than get rid of the gif interface. > I have sent them an email, and I am waiting hear from them. I do have the configuration on their Cisco equipment, if that will help. Thank you for all your help. Jay From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 21:09:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31BE1065686 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 21:09:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhall@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1g.socket.net [216.106.88.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C166B8FC12 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 21:09:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [216.106.88.17]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D84A40424; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:09:39 -0500 (CDT) To: mike@sentex.net From: jhall@socket.net X-Apparently-from: jhall@mail.socket.net X-Remote-Host: 174.34.27.163 User-Agent: Socket WebMail References: <20110823232242.B78A5106566B@hub.freebsd.org> <4E545899.6090800@sentex.net> <20110825155205.A0D131065670@hub.freebsd.org> <4E5696D0.3000205@sentex.net> <201108261742.p7QHgS2H095637@smtp1.sentex.ca> <4E57E2B1.9000508@sentex.net> <201108261840.p7QIebBP015777@smtp2.sentex.ca> <4E57EBED.7070900@sentex.net> <201108262052.p7QKqoTE002569@smtp2.sentex.ca> <4E5809A3.6020306@sentex.net> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:09:39 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20110826210940.E31BE1065686@hub.freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: Racoon to Cisco ASA 5505 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jhall@socket.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 21:09:41 -0000 > Yes, post that to the list. > I am not sure if this is the entire configuration or not, but this is what they have posted. crypto ipsec security-association lifetime seconds 28800 crypto ipsec security-association lifetime kilobytes 4608000 crypto map rackmap 201 match address 201 crypto map rackmap 201 set peer Jefferson_City crypto map rackmap 201 set transform-set ESP-3DES-SHA crypto map rackmap interface outside crypto isakmp identity address crypto isakmp enable outside crypto isakmp policy 10 authentication pre-share encryption 3des hash sha group 2 lifetime 86400 access-list 201 line 1 extended permit ip 192.168.100.0 255.255.252.0 10.129.10.0 255.255.255.0 access-list 201 line 2 extended permit ip 192.168.100.0 255.255.252.0 10.129.20.0 255.255.255.0 access-list 201 line 3 extended permit ip 192.168.100.0 255.255.252.0 10.129.30.0 255.255.255.0 access-list 201 line 4 extended permit ip 192.168.100.0 255.255.252.0 10.129.50.0 255.255.255.0 access-list 201 line 5 extended permit ip 192.168.100.0 255.255.252.0 10.129.60.0 255.255.255.0 access-list 201 line 6 extended permit ip 192.168.100.0 255.255.252.0 10.129.70.0 255.255.255.0 access-list 201 line 7 extended permit ip 192.168.100.0 255.255.252.0 10.129.80.0 255.255.255.0 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 23:19:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A50E106566C for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 23:19:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF718FC18 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 23:19:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.75]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C942416B4B9; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:19:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:19:14 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:19:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.6dollardialup.com To: Mike Tancsa In-Reply-To: <4E57F933.1080303@sentex.net> Message-ID: References: <20110826192102.GA9033@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <4E57F933.1080303@sentex.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What USB dialup modem WILL work with 8.2? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 23:19:38 -0000 On Fri, 26 Aug 2011, Mike Tancsa wrote: > On 8/26/2011 3:21 PM, Erik Trulsson wrote: >>> So I am asking again: does anyone have a dialup modem of any kind which >>> works correctly on 8.x to provide ppp-on-demand? If so what is it? >> (As for promises about what *will* 100% guaranteed work, which seems to >> be what you really want, I am afraid I can't give any. It has been >> several years since I last used a dialup modem, so I don't know for >> sure what *will* work with todays software, only what should work.) > > > Works for me once umodem is loaded as a kld... bingo. ucom was in my nearly GENERIC conf, so was ubsa and some other modules mentioned. umodem wasn't - and if the line was in GENERIC or NOTES I must have deleted it for some reason instead of commenting it out. Nonetheless, locate reveals it is being built. Works when it is loaded and creates cuaU0. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 00:07:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08FE4106566C for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 00:07:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67198FC08 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 00:07:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7R07bAb023552 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:07:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p7R07baD023549 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:07:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:07:37 -0400 (EDT) From: doug To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Cc: Subject: Installing Python Packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: doug@safeport.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 00:07:39 -0000 I am teaching myself python and have 2.6 installed. What is the proper way to install py26-setuptools? As 2.7 is the default it appears that I can neither use pkg_add nor build from the ports tree. I can download the source and the 2.6 egg. It appears that I need to configure the egg for FreeBSD. Is that correct? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 00:54:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5461106564A for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 00:54:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9030A8FC1B for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 00:54:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p7R0tGqi028622 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:55:16 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:55:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201108270055.p7R0tGqi028622@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: What USB dialup modem WILL work with 8.2? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 00:54:01 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 26 18:21:24 2011 > Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:19:13 -0500 (CDT) > From: Lars Eighner > To: Mike Tancsa > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: What USB dialup modem WILL work with 8.2? > > On Fri, 26 Aug 2011, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > > On 8/26/2011 3:21 PM, Erik Trulsson wrote: > >>> So I am asking again: does anyone have a dialup modem of any kind which > >>> works correctly on 8.x to provide ppp-on-demand? If so what is it? > >> (As for promises about what *will* 100% guaranteed work, which seems to > >> be what you really want, I am afraid I can't give any. It has been > >> several years since I last used a dialup modem, so I don't know for > >> sure what *will* work with todays software, only what should work.) > > > > > > Works for me once umodem is loaded as a kld... > > > bingo. Now we find out if Lars is man enough to publicly admit that he was absolutely incorrect about his published claim of acting on 'malicious advice' regarding using a USB modem. Five hundred quatloos says he's not. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 00:55:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC154106564A for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 00:55:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630188FC15 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 00:55:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p7R0hul1028575; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:43:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:43:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201108270043.p7R0hul1028575@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: fbsd-ml@gehlbach.com, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4E57EAEF.1020300@gehlbach.com> Cc: Subject: Re: Problem reading from tape drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 00:55:02 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 26 13:51:51 2011 > Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:50:23 -0400 > From: Renee Gehlbach > To: questions@freebsd.org > Cc: > Subject: Re: Problem reading from tape drive > > On 08/25/2011 06:38 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: > >> From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 25 13:57:20 2011 > >> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:24:57 -0400 > >> From: Renee Gehlbach > >> To: questions@freebsd.org > >> Cc: > >> Subject: Problem reading from tape drive [[ sneck ]] > >> So, when I tell it to forward space file at the end of each tar file, it > >> is able to read all four files correctly. This leaves me scratching my > >> head, and wondering what the heck I've set up wrong. Any ideas? > > Tape drivers _always_ write two EOFs when the tape device is closed. > > This ensures there is always a valid 'EOT' on the tape. > > > > They're _suppoesed_ to backspace over the 2nd EOF mark, so that > > a subsequent write has only one EOF between it and the prior file. > > > > Looks like your drive isn't doing the 'backspace' right. > > > > I suspect the 'easiest' work around is the one you've discovered -- do > > an 'mt -fsf' after avery tape file 'read'. > > > OK, I feel pretty dense.... When you're saying they write two EOFs when > the device is closed, would this happen every time you write a file? Authortative answer "it depends". you can 'cat' several files to te tape device, in one invocation, and there will be no EOF marks between the source files. I meant _exactly_ what I said, in describing tape operationss. To wit: Every time an application calls close(2) (or fclose(3), which calls close(2)) *or* exits without closing an open file in which case the O/S invokes close(2) on every open file descrriptor. > Or > would it be every time the tape is unmounted? Or would that depend on > the program you're using? Nope, it's automatic, and internal to th O/S. > Is there any way I could test to make sure this is in fact what's happening? Try writing several files to the tape, each in it's own operation, and issue a 'mt -bsf' between each operation. THEN try reading from the tape. with just successive 'read' operations. *NO* 'mt' positioning If everything is working 'properly', there will be *ONLY*ONE* file on the tape. If there is an O/S failure to 'backspace on close' you'll get all the original files, one on each read attempt. If the O/S has a _complete_ 'failure to backspace', you'll get a tape that functions identially to your earlier tests -- you can find all the file by 'mt -fsf' between reads Other things to try. 1) *write* a multi-file tape under Unbuntu, and try to read it under FreeBSD. 2) *write* a multi-file tape under FreeBSD, and try to read it under Unbuntu. 3) If there are read issues, see if the 'mt -fsf' hack allows you to find everything. > And would the problem with it not doing the backspace right be an issue > with the FreeBSD tape driver? Or SCSI card driver? Or what driver? "Yes." A prime candiate would be sa(4) . See 'filemark handling' at the end of the manpage. mtio(4) is another candidate, see para. 3 of that manpage. And it is _possible_, albeit *unlikely, that somebody screwed up on the scsi card driver and the code for that particular command is broken. > Obviously not a problem with the drive itself, since I don't have this > problem with Ubuntu. To be precise, it is not a case of a _defective_ drive. This does not eliminate the possibiity of 'non standard' behavior (where the drive is 'working as the manufacturer intends'), with Unbuntu having an embedded 'work around'. I've had too much experience with *REALLY*weird* problems to dismiss -anything-, out of hand. 30+ years ago, I discovered inadvertently) a very specific set of circumstances where I could render a mainframe _completely_ unusable -- by simply _rewinding_ a mag tape, as a regular user. The only recovery was a re-boot of the mainframe. If folks caught it _early_enough_, a reboot directive from the operator console was effective. If it developed a bit further, the *only* recourse/remedy was the 'big red button'. To add to the 'fun', this particular vulnerability was *confirmed* to exist on at least three separate, unrelated, operating systems running on _incompatible_ hardware. > Unfortunately, the "workaround" of running mt -fsf > after every file read if it worked, 'mf -bsf' after every _write_ would be a better solution. But it probably suffers from the same 'not really usable' defect. > isn't really usable workaround.....I need the tape > drive to work with bacula, not just running tars. Where do I go from here? All I can contribute it the offspring of an rhinoceros mating with an elephant. In other words, "elephino'. _I_ have no clue what 'bacula' is -- sounds sort-of like a Transylvanian back-up utility. One with 'fangs' init, and issues with mirrors. Further troubleshooting gets _really_ deep, really quickly. Probably involves 'instrumenting' the suspect drivers, to see -exactly- whac calls to what driver are made,and inwhat order. May need an equivalent of 'tcpdump' for the SCSI bus, too. Sorry I can't be more help, I don't know specifics of FreeBSD internals, but I've had a _lot_ of experience with tape handling (as a user) especially tapes in unknown/non-standard formats. I've *seen* so-called 'streaming' tape drives that _did_not_ support any 'reverse' direction action other than rewind'.. The cntroller _in_the_drive_ *lied* to the computer, when two tape marks in a row were 'written' by the computer. the 2nd one wasn't actually put on the tape, although the drive told the computer it had bin. Ditto for the backspace command following the 2nd tape mark. If the next operation was a 'write', everything was copacetic. If a 'reind', or 'rewind and unload', a tape mark was written first. any 'backspace' command _other_ than the one immediately following the attempt to write two tape marks, resulted in a 'hardware error' status, and the drive dropping off-line. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 01:01:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9FFB106566B for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 01:01:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail1.sourcehosting.net (mail1.sourcehosting.net [74.205.51.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A12CC8FC14 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 01:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 68-189-245-235.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com ([68.189.245.235] helo=cube.entropy.prv) by mail1.sourcehosting.net with esmtp (Exim 4.73 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Qx6fX-000Ihg-6e; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:22:44 -0400 Received: from v104.entropy.prv (v104.entropy.prv [192.168.1.104]) by cube.entropy.prv (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8159D51F8572; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4E5838E2.407@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:22:58 -0400 From: Greg Larkin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.20) Gecko/20110804 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doug@safeport.com References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=1C940290 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 68.189.245.235 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: glarkin@FreeBSD.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on mail1.sourcehosting.net X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_PBL, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL, RDNS_DYNAMIC, TVD_RCVD_IP autolearn=no version=3.3.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on mail1.sourcehosting.net) Cc: doug , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Installing Python Packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 01:01:36 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 8/26/11 8:07 PM, doug wrote: > I am teaching myself python and have 2.6 installed. What is the proper > way to install py26-setuptools? As 2.7 is the default it appears that I > can neither use pkg_add nor build from the ports tree. > > I can download the source and the 2.6 egg. It appears that I need to > configure the egg for FreeBSD. Is that correct? Hi Doug, You can do this easily by using the ports tree. First, add the following to your /etc/make.conf (create the file if necessary): PYTHON_DEFAULT_VERSION=python2.6 Next, do this: cd /usr/ports/devel/py-setuptools && make install clean You should be all set, and any other Python port that you install will use the Python 2.6 installation, assuming you installed it from the ports tree. Hope that helps, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. http://twitter.com/cpucycle/ - Follow you, follow me -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5YOOIACgkQ0sRouByUApBG4ACgmgHUk1RhOzADvpgt8FaTOSSf OioAn0k/PSJ6KlUrhy/rXFSJAiniHEeY =29ZS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 01:05:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661881065672; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 01:05:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from oceanpt.safeport.com (oceanpt.safeport.com [65.122.17.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6A58FC08; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 01:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oceanpt.safeport.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p7R0OW71062068; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:24:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:24:31 -0400 (EDT) From: doug@safeport.com To: Greg Larkin In-Reply-To: <4E5838E2.407@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: References: <4E5838E2.407@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (oceanpt.safeport.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Cc: doug , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Installing Python Packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 01:05:00 -0000 On Fri, 26 Aug 2011, Greg Larkin wrote: > On 8/26/11 8:07 PM, doug wrote: >> I am teaching myself python and have 2.6 installed. What is the proper >> way to install py26-setuptools? As 2.7 is the default it appears that I >> can neither use pkg_add nor build from the ports tree. >> >> I can download the source and the 2.6 egg. It appears that I need to >> configure the egg for FreeBSD. Is that correct? > > > Hi Doug, > > You can do this easily by using the ports tree. First, add the > following to your /etc/make.conf (create the file if necessary): > > PYTHON_DEFAULT_VERSION=python2.6 > > Next, do this: > > cd /usr/ports/devel/py-setuptools && make install clean > > You should be all set, and any other Python port that you install will > use the Python 2.6 installation, assuming you installed it from the > ports tree. > > Hope that helps, > Greg Great - I am sure it will, thank you. Where does one find all these 'magic' make variables? _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 01:33:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B78B106566C for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 01:33:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C48F8FC08 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 01:33:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7R19MZn002227 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:09:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p7R19Llk002224 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:09:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:09:21 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:09:22 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Subject: glabel, gmirror, and gpart X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 01:33:44 -0000 Trying to use labeled devices and filesystems where possible, and adding gmirror into the mix. (This is with 8-STABLE, i386.) glabel two disks "primary" and "secondary". gmirror the two: gmirror label -v -b round-robin data /dev/label/primary /dev/label/secondary Use gpart to create *and label* partitions on the mirror device: => 34 1465149099 mirror/data GPT (698G) 34 64 1 gpboot (32k) 98 1950 - free - (975k) 2048 4194304 2 gprootfs (2.0G) 4196352 8388608 3 gpswap (4.0G) 12584960 16777216 4 gpvarfs (8.0G) 29362176 16777216 5 gptmpfs (8.0G) 46139392 251658240 6 gpusrfs (120G) 297797632 419430400 7 gpotherfs (200G) 717228032 747921101 - free - (356G) Then install/restore as usual, refer to /dev/gpt/labelname in /etc/fstab. So far, it works. My concerns are with correctness, doing it right the first time to avoid unpleasant surprises later. Question 1 is whether using slashes in labels is going to be a problem later? gpart can find /dev/mirror/data and mirror/data, but not just "data". gmirror status shows the, uh, path-like labels in both the Name and the Components: Name Status Components mirror/data DEGRADED label/primary (ACTIVE) label/secondary (SYNCHRONIZING, 23%) Question 2 is maybe simpler. On boot, it shows this: gptboot: invalid backup GPT header I can speculate on what causes that (whether the various g-things use the absolute last block of the device, or the last block of their area and provide their total minus one block; or it could be that gptboot is seeing the disk rather than the gmirror device). Can it be fixed? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 01:38:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A93106566B for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 01:38:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1-6.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E548C8FC12 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 01:38:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a] (saphire3.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7R1c3ZG051417; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 21:38:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-ID: <4E584A74.70608@sentex.net> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 21:37:56 -0400 From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jhall@socket.net References: <20110823232242.B78A5106566B@hub.freebsd.org> <4E545899.6090800@sentex.net> <20110825155205.A0D131065670@hub.freebsd.org> <4E5696D0.3000205@sentex.net> <201108261742.p7QHgS2H095637@smtp1.sentex.ca> <4E57E2B1.9000508@sentex.net> <201108261840.p7QIebBP015777@smtp2.sentex.ca> <4E57EBED.7070900@sentex.net> <201108262052.p7QKqoTE002569@smtp2.sentex.ca> <4E5809A3.6020306@sentex.net> <201108262109.p7QL9dvU009914@smtp2.sentex.ca> In-Reply-To: <201108262109.p7QL9dvU009914@smtp2.sentex.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Racoon to Cisco ASA 5505 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 01:38:06 -0000 On 8/26/2011 5:09 PM, jhall@socket.net wrote: >> Yes, post that to the list. >> > > I am not sure if this is the entire configuration or not, but this is what > they have posted. > > > crypto ipsec security-association lifetime seconds 28800 > crypto ipsec security-association lifetime kilobytes 4608000 > > crypto map rackmap 201 match address 201 > crypto map rackmap 201 set peer Jefferson_City > crypto map rackmap 201 set transform-set ESP-3DES-SHA > crypto map rackmap interface outside > > crypto isakmp identity address > crypto isakmp enable outside > crypto isakmp policy 10 > authentication pre-share > encryption 3des > hash sha > group 2 > lifetime 86400 > > access-list 201 line 1 extended permit ip 192.168.100.0 255.255.252.0 > 10.129.10.0 255.255.255.0 > access-list 201 line 2 extended permit ip 192.168.100.0 255.255.252.0 > 10.129.20.0 255.255.255.0 > access-list 201 line 3 extended permit ip 192.168.100.0 255.255.252.0 > 10.129.30.0 255.255.255.0 > access-list 201 line 4 extended permit ip 192.168.100.0 255.255.252.0 > 10.129.50.0 255.255.255.0 > access-list 201 line 5 extended permit ip 192.168.100.0 255.255.252.0 > 10.129.60.0 255.255.255.0 > access-list 201 line 6 extended permit ip 192.168.100.0 255.255.252.0 > 10.129.70.0 255.255.255.0 > access-list 201 line 7 extended permit ip 192.168.100.0 255.255.252.0 > 10.129.80.0 255.255.255.0 Get rid of the gif interface as its not needed and make sure you match their policy's. And of course 1.1.1.1 is your actual public IP. setkey -F setkey -FP setkey -f /etc/ipsec.conf where ipsec.conf has the info below spdadd 10.129.10.0/24 192.168.100.0/22 any -P out ipsec esp/tunnel/1.1.1.1-184.106.120.244/unique; spdadd 192.168.100.0/22 10.129.10.0/24 any -P in ipsec esp/tunnel/184.106.120.244-1.1.1.1/unique; spdadd 10.129.20.0/24 192.168.100.0/22 any -P out ipsec esp/tunnel/1.1.1.1-184.106.120.244/unique; spdadd 192.168.100.0/22 10.129.20.0/24 any -P in ipsec esp/tunnel/184.106.120.244-1.1.1.1/unique; spdadd 10.129.30.0/24 192.168.100.0/22 any -P out ipsec esp/tunnel/1.1.1.1-184.106.120.244/unique; spdadd 192.168.100.0/22 10.129.30.0/24 any -P in ipsec esp/tunnel/184.106.120.244-1.1.1.1/unique; spdadd 10.129.40.0/24 192.168.100.0/22 any -P out ipsec esp/tunnel/1.1.1.1-184.106.120.244/unique; spdadd 192.168.100.0/22 10.129.40.0/24 any -P in ipsec esp/tunnel/184.106.120.244-1.1.1.1/unique; spdadd 10.129.50.0/24 192.168.100.0/22 any -P out ipsec esp/tunnel/1.1.1.1-184.106.120.244/unique; spdadd 192.168.100.0/22 10.129.50.0/24 any -P in ipsec esp/tunnel/184.106.120.244-1.1.1.1/unique; again, startup racoon with -d start tcpdumping the outside interface with the flags -s0 -vvv host 184.106.120.244 >From inside your network, go to a machine that has an IP within the private range. e.g. 10.129.10.1 and ping the other side ping -S 10.129.10.1 192.160.100.1 ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 02:33:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D65C106564A for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 02:33:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8DEB8FC13 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 02:33:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd10 with SMTP id 10so4051312gyd.13 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:33:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=C1/vi8eBuen/uwoyj0II0QV+td+ye4o3YMzxCY+v1uc=; b=oWMYaU4h4xPAPdIPBqsIEIyGisceNGAvFJ9ctS02i47hCSWggHIlmHPZFTxUnPVtC9 OuneFhD9+d7qElI9WNudHqJODCVwOaqqU5KRfzFaT19yBXAmeTFSVPPgYK4+sJtRzUy6 dyYr3RtC5ovnbMsPymiIgx5wzJZhYPUGedG6I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.161.1 with SMTP id r1mr1740739icx.448.1314412426964; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.179.135 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 21:33:46 -0500 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: how can I use portmaster to update but skip a package X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 02:33:48 -0000 Dear folks, I am trying to update one of my machines and I ran portmaster -a and got errors: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?p=145268 I overcome most by unselecting GNUTLS from cups-image and cups-base, and then comes ===>>> Launching child to update libreoffice-3.3.3_2 to libreoffice-3.4.2_1 ===>>> Port directory: /usr/ports/editors/libreoffice ===>>> This port is marked BROKEN ===>>> build is too fragile and break too often -- try libreoffice-legacy ===>>> If you are sure you can build it, remove the BROKEN line in the Makefile and try again. ===>>> Update for libreoffice-3.3.3_2 failed ===>>> Aborting update Is there a way to update most packages except this one? or should I uninstall it and reinstall it again later? This is not optimal, but it would be something I can try. I would prefer not to do this :( Thanks in advance, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 03:17:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720E4106564A for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:17:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail1.sourcehosting.net (mail1.sourcehosting.net [74.205.51.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468658FC08 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:17:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 68-189-245-235.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com ([68.189.245.235] helo=cube.entropy.prv) by mail1.sourcehosting.net with esmtp (Exim 4.73 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Qx9O8-000JnL-Og; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 23:16:58 -0400 Received: from v104.entropy.prv (v104.entropy.prv [192.168.1.104]) by cube.entropy.prv (Postfix) with ESMTP id D721651F9813; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 23:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4E5861BA.8000100@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 23:17:14 -0400 From: Greg Larkin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.20) Gecko/20110804 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doug@safeport.com References: <4E5838E2.407@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=1C940290 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 68.189.245.235 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: glarkin@FreeBSD.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on mail1.sourcehosting.net X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_PBL, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL, RDNS_DYNAMIC, TVD_RCVD_IP autolearn=no version=3.3.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on mail1.sourcehosting.net) Cc: doug , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Installing Python Packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:17:21 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 8/26/11 8:24 PM, doug@safeport.com wrote: > On Fri, 26 Aug 2011, Greg Larkin wrote: > >> On 8/26/11 8:07 PM, doug wrote: >>> I am teaching myself python and have 2.6 installed. What is the proper >>> way to install py26-setuptools? As 2.7 is the default it appears that I >>> can neither use pkg_add nor build from the ports tree. >>> >>> I can download the source and the 2.6 egg. It appears that I need to >>> configure the egg for FreeBSD. Is that correct? >> >> >> Hi Doug, >> >> You can do this easily by using the ports tree. First, add the >> following to your /etc/make.conf (create the file if necessary): >> >> PYTHON_DEFAULT_VERSION=python2.6 >> >> Next, do this: >> >> cd /usr/ports/devel/py-setuptools && make install clean >> >> You should be all set, and any other Python port that you install will >> use the Python 2.6 installation, assuming you installed it from the >> ports tree. >> >> Hope that helps, >> Greg > > Great - I am sure it will, thank you. > > Where does one find all these 'magic' make variables? Hi Doug, The best place to start is by looking through the files /usr/ports/Mk/*.mk. In the header comment of each .mk file, you'll find a long list of variables and what they are used for. Some of the variables are only useful in the context of a port Makefile, but other ones like PYTHON_DEFAULT_VERSION are used in /etc/make.conf. At the moment, I don't know if there's an easy way to enumerate all variables of the latter type, but that would be a good project. I use things like: NOPORTDOCS=yes NOPORTEXAMPLES=yes NO_X11=yes in /etc/make.conf when building server images. Regards, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. http://twitter.com/cpucycle/ - Follow you, follow me -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEUEARECAAYFAk5YYboACgkQ0sRouByUApA0WACeKqc/nO43eTesrdF1WiiKh0qA +oUAmM+tzYNhbXSJ+VtKdRM8CWmL/Is= =e/fR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 03:26:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B0B1065672 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:26:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B038FC12 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:26:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxe4 with SMTP id 4so3897665fxe.13 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:26:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=EKv/hOXjtU3jvDz91Zy246nJ8UAiW7NhUAQd1Th/cMA=; b=hBdWHpy3rwL5IK7fqa9Z0Ci1ary5Bdj7uxrySm85+cDeaL7x2gBZ/47QeWVQ9P4P7g 4hcqPutzvy7DB1UX5gJDQde/avINZs81f2l8ZDqNDgzKqj9MypgZRnZw6aA8JBRe1oj3 //gkUaWoLw1TmOpPRXlVpvPf+8NeLsJTyDXFI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.16.205 with SMTP id p13mr2689687faa.69.1314413822156; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.120.72 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:57:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 21:57:02 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: glabel, gmirror, and gpart X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:26:33 -0000 On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Warren Block wrote: > Question 2 is maybe simpler. On boot, it shows this: > gptboot: invalid backup GPT header > > I can speculate on what causes that (whether the various g-things use the > absolute last block of the device, or the last block of their area and > provide their total minus one block; or it could be that gptboot is seeing > the disk rather than the gmirror device). Can it be fixed? > This is a long standing issue that still isn't fixed to the best of my knowledge. The problem is with gmirror and GPT. http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fbu7cher.blogspot.com%2F2011%2F03%2Ffreebsd-gmirror-gpt-ufs.html&act=url is the best I can do. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 03:38:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62AB2106564A for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:38:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from basarevych@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE588FC18 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:38:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk9 with SMTP id 9so3189683qyk.13 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:38:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BRPm/XHBd856f0sRyrvNHB5mu116atyW3pQXPtNlJ20=; b=nPMv84GkOAQiYfrNXDFQegZh9ruuOez6I/suZxzzxUtehl/2yHroSSmX0+epcMfuah DRlTB6phefw8NDqKFEiIu/feyI8cubBqckR6eiZbhuTMkjKsMfl4DX6miA2f1jzUjvY7 o9VhhkindzNCe/rTXuNF4e7xLn0XAZ3dh4XoY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.62.194 with SMTP id y2mr2589595qch.4.1314416305252; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.233.144 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:38:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 06:38:25 +0300 Message-ID: From: Ross To: Antonio Olivares Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how can I use portmaster to update but skip a package X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:38:26 -0000 On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 5:33 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > Dear folks, > > I am trying to update one of my machines and I ran portmaster -a and got = errors: > > http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?p=3D145268 > > I overcome most by unselecting GNUTLS from cups-image and cups-base, > and then comes > > =3D=3D=3D>>> Launching child to update libreoffice-3.3.3_2 to libreoffice= -3.4.2_1 > > =3D=3D=3D>>> Port directory: /usr/ports/editors/libreoffice > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=3D=3D=3D>>> This port is marked BROKEN > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=3D=3D=3D>>> build is too fragile and break to= o often -- try libreoffice-legacy > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=3D=3D=3D>>> If you are sure you can build it,= remove the > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BROKEN line in the Makef= ile and try again. > > =3D=3D=3D>>> Update for libreoffice-3.3.3_2 failed > =3D=3D=3D>>> Aborting update > > Is there a way to update most packages except this one? > > or should I uninstall it and reinstall it again later? =C2=A0This is not > optimal, but it would be something I can try. =C2=A0I would prefer not to > do this :( > > Thanks in advance, > > Antonio > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > Maybe I spent to little time with portmaster, but I eventually switched to portupgrade. I'ts more mature in my opinion. And portupgrade -a doesn't have the problem you are referring to. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 03:53:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0A0106566B for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:53:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C8C8FC14 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:53:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sbhfislrext02.fnfis.com ([192.168.249.140]) by SCSFISLTC01 (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p7R3rLEQ011743; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:53:21 -0500 Received: from sbhfisltcgw01.FNFIS.COM (Not Verified[10.132.248.121]) by sbhfislrext02.fnfis.com with MailMarshal (v6, 5, 4, 7535) id ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:53:11 -0500 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.15]) by sbhfisltcgw01.FNFIS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:53:20 -0500 Received: from [10.0.0.104] (10.14.152.54) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.289.1; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:53:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Devin Teske In-Reply-To: <4E56CF16.4060703@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:53:18 -0700 Message-ID: <47CEC950-D58F-49B3-9A6E-8D779A25FF70@fisglobal.com> References: <03f101cc636d$b01bd1a0$105374e0$@fisglobal.com> <4E56CF16.4060703@gmail.com> To: Noel X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.54] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2011 03:53:20.0904 (UTC) FILETIME=[DCB5A880:01CC646C] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Broadcom BCM5780 Link-UP before auto-negotiation completes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:53:22 -0000 On Aug 25, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Noel wrote: > On 8/25/2011 4:26 PM, Devin Teske wrote: >> Hi All, >>=20 >> I've got three different workstations each with a Broadcom Gigabit Ether= net card >> (slightly different models, but all running the bge(4) device driver) on >> FreeBSD-8.1 RELEASE. >>=20 >> We've having a strange problem where each/every single reboot ends up in >> dropping to single-user mode [snip] >>=20 >> Suggestions welcome. >=20 >=20 > I've found this workaround useful with my bge cards: > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2010-April/056400.html I see that this solution has been added to HEAD, a little over 2 months ago= (but netwait rather than waitnetwork): http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=3Drevision&revision=3D223310 Thanks Noel for the tip! --=20 Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. 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Thank you. _____________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 04:05:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13B93106564A for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 04:05:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35968FC0A for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 04:04:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7R44wlZ002752; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:04:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p7R44wj3002749; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:04:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:04:58 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Adam Vande More In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-902635197-1888676161-1314417898=:2601" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:04:59 -0600 (MDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: glabel, gmirror, and gpart X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 04:05:00 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---902635197-1888676161-1314417898=:2601 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Fri, 26 Aug 2011, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Warren Block wrote: > Question 2 is maybe simpler.  On boot, it shows this: >  gptboot: invalid backup GPT header > > I can speculate on what causes that (whether the various g-things use the absolute last block of the device, or the last block of their area and provide their total minus > one block; or it could be that gptboot is seeing the disk rather than the gmirror device).  Can it be fixed? > > > This is a long standing issue that still isn't fixed to the best of my knowledge.  The problem is with gmirror and GPT.  > > http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fbu7cher.blogspot.com%2F2011%2F03%2Ffreebsd-gmirror-gpt-ufs.html&act=url > > is the best I can do. Thanks! So it's cosmetic, but not really the kind of message that instills confidence. gptboot needs to be able to tell if it's reading from a gmirror. Or gmirror should provide one block less than it does, so it doesn't overwrite the GPT backup. ---902635197-1888676161-1314417898=:2601-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 04:08:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F33106564A for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 04:08:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060348FC12 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 04:08:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7R48LOQ002764; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:08:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p7R48LFZ002761; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:08:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:08:21 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Antonio Olivares In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:08:21 -0600 (MDT) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: how can I use portmaster to update but skip a package X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 04:08:22 -0000 On Fri, 26 Aug 2011, Antonio Olivares wrote: > Is there a way to update most packages except this one? See man portmaster | less +2/-x From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 05:06:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8093D106566C for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 05:06:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10AA78FC0C for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 05:06:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxe4 with SMTP id 4so3930296fxe.13 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:06:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=xkni0gzIWsYmlyED1dx8g4i2cElpci/w6DZTyYxwpeY=; b=oNk39JAztJ2H3vxb8zJCjq+dO9HxM0zaVne4rZobd2IUFC/st65XwY9uslPQVr381i VP0E5zyUsMdOVQz/YpTYXMsjoMQDAS16rgOLSVik5h0ZSHSg4PouAGaMJupqPcE2ocDH Rrs/yh7s7aqE8acQg5KUUBUdNfxdBRUFE+F/E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.10.143 with SMTP id p15mr2878228fap.12.1314421562873; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.120.72 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:06:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 00:06:02 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: glabel, gmirror, and gpart X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 05:06:04 -0000 On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Warren Block wrote: > So it's cosmetic, but not really the kind of message that instills > confidence. gptboot needs to be able to tell if it's reading from a > gmirror. Or gmirror should provide one block less than it does, so it > doesn't overwrite the GPT backup. I would sort of agree with the latter although I'm afraid of what I don't know. One example is that in a transparent vs hardcoded gmirror, the -1 would have to apply to both to allow "gmirror configure" to continue to work without accidentally destroying something. While we're on the topic of desired gmirror changes I'd like an easier method to "right-size" a mirror so that mirroring similar sized hard drives from different manufacturers doesn't create an Uff Da when the number of bytes isn't consistent. You can do this with gnop, but that requires extra steps. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 05:56:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C136B106564A for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 05:56:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from mail.mroute.net (lax-gw12.mailroute.net [199.89.0.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F668FC14 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 05:56:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lax-gw12.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 972FA32706AD; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 05:56:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by lax-gw12.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7CB732706AB; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 05:56:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D119E13AD; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:56:20 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: Ross References: x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.18.11.17; tzolkin = 2 Caban; haab = 5 Mol Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:56:20 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Ross's message of "Sat, 27 Aug 2011 06:38:25 +0300") Message-ID: <861uw7wg6z.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Antonio Olivares Subject: Re: how can I use portmaster to update but skip a package X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 05:56:23 -0000 >>>>> "Ross" == Ross writes: Ross> Maybe I spent to little time with portmaster, but I eventually Ross> switched to portupgrade. I'ts more mature in my opinion. And Ross> portupgrade -a doesn't have the problem you are referring to. I started with portupgrade, and am now firmly in the portmaster camp. I think this is a "vi vs emacs" or "perl vs python" argument. Just religious. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 08:22:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BBE1065670 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 08:22:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA168FC0C for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 08:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SBHFISLREXT03 ([10.132.254.62]) by SCSFISLTC01 (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p7R8MplA009115 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:22:51 -0500 Received: from sbhfisltcgw02.FNFIS.COM (Not Verified[10.132.248.122]) by SBHFISLREXT03 with MailMarshal (v6, 5, 4, 7535) id ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:23:17 -0500 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.15]) by sbhfisltcgw02.FNFIS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:22:50 -0500 Received: from [10.0.0.104] (10.14.152.54) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.289.1; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:22:44 -0500 From: Devin Teske Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 01:22:48 -0700 Message-ID: <3A1BA4AA-3949-4FD5-AE80-6C3436911414@fisglobal.com> To: FreeBSD Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.54] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2011 08:22:50.0513 (UTC) FILETIME=[828C3010:01CC6492] Cc: Dave Robison , Devin Teske Subject: jail vnet bug X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 08:22:52 -0000 Hi all, Not sure if this is a bug, but I'm using 8.1-RELEASE-p4 with VIMAGE enabled= and am experiencing something odd. I set sysctl security.jail.mount_allowed=3D1 and then fire up a jail, all i= s good (jail has value of 1). I then set sysctl security.jail.enforce_statfs=3D1 and then restart the jai= l. Again, all is good (jail has value of 1). I then fire up my vimage jails, and all is bad. Values still show 0 (mount_= allowed) and 2 (enforce_statfs). So I went into the kernel and forced their default values, which appeared t= o work, but only partly. The following [undesirable] patch was enough to get enforce_statfs working: --- sys/kern/kern_jail.c.orig 2011-08-26 23:41:27.000000000 -0700+++ sys/= kern/kern_jail.c 2011-08-27 00:44:45.000000000 -0700 @@ -202,7 +202,7 @@ #define JAIL_DEFAULT_ALLOW PR_ALLOW_SET_HOSTNAME -#define JAIL_DEFAULT_ENFORCE_STATFS 2 +#define JAIL_DEFAULT_ENFORCE_STATFS 1 static unsigned jail_default_allow =3D JAIL_DEFAULT_ALLOW; static int jail_default_enforce_statfs =3D JAIL_DEFAULT_ENFORCE_STATFS; #if defined(INET) || defined(INET6) However, the following [equally undesirable] patch was NOT enough to get mo= unt(8) to work: @@ -4113,4 +4114,4 @@ SYSCTL_PROC(_security_jail, OID_AUTO, mount_allowed, CTLTYPE_INT | CTLFLAG_RW | CTLFLAG_MPSAFE, - NULL, PR_ALLOW_MOUNT, sysctl_jail_default_allow, "I", + (void *)1, PR_ALLOW_MOUNT, sysctl_jail_default_allow, "I", "Processes in jail can mount/unmount jail-friendly file systems"); Here's what I'm getting for an error... vnettest# ifconfig lo0: flags=3D8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 options=3D3 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000=20 epair0b: flags=3D8843 metric 0 mtu = 1500 ether XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX inet X.X.X.X netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast X.X.X.X vnettest# sysctl security.jail.{jailed,mount_allowed,enforce_statfs} security.jail.jailed: 1 security.jail.mount_allowed: 1 security.jail.enforce_statfs: 1 vnettest# mount build1:/repos /mnt mount_nfs: /mnt, : Operation not permitted Meanwhile, over in the jail (non-vnet): vnettest# ifconfig -l bge0 fxp0 plip0 ipfw0 lo0 epair0a bridge0 vnettest# sysctl security.jail.{jailed,mount_allowed,enforce_statfs} security.jail.jailed: 1 security.jail.mount_allowed: 0 security.jail.enforce_statfs: 1 vnettest# mount build1:/repos /mnt vnettest# df -Th Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad4s1f ufs 137G 4.1G 122G 3% / devfs devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev build1:/repos nfs 99G 63G 29G 69% /mnt vnettest# umount /mnt vnettest# df -Th Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad4s1f ufs 137G 4.1G 122G 3% / devfs devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev Any advice would be helpful. The core issue is that we've finally achieved = NFS mounting within a jail (many thanks to Martin Matuska for his patch), b= ut are not able to replicate our success in a vnet jail. --=20 Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message an= d all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any ma= nner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware= that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and revie= w by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. _____________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 10:57:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D503106564A for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 10:57:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A738FC0C for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 10:57:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywo32 with SMTP id 32so4259731ywo.13 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:57:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nEAf70uCgMO0HzCmLcItVj0Wds6HqngScnsIDbDXbuw=; b=f2/Ro/YqmZQ3jtEbjMT7VZ8VHM1jQcmMFaw2d7dsAJtdF+PJSKiS6rpO7nzi37Dmcf N+v+44f6ZJjWXe0DHXCErBqDf0nuRx4XtjPguEyYhb2AppYD5Ytl0AwrGZV8Or6y0ezo dqNU2tT11ay4uaNDqdQkmKRQpgtHHR5A/U6xc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.161.1 with SMTP id r1mr2200414icx.448.1314442649860; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.179.135 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:57:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 05:57:29 -0500 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: how can I use portmaster to update but skip a package X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 10:57:31 -0000 On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Warren Block wrote: > On Fri, 26 Aug 2011, Antonio Olivares wrote: > >> Is there a way to update most packages except this one? > > See > =A0man portmaster | less +2/-x > Running # portmaster -a -x libreoffice does the trick :) Thanks very much. I ran the man portmaster and could not find the right switch :( It has many options. This is why I asked to be sure. Thanks to all for replying. It makes things easier when there are nice folks that can provide help when one asks for it. Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 11:18:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B3710656FB for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 11:18:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8203E8FC17 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 11:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd10 with SMTP id 10so4281548gyd.13 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 04:18:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=5xy1iIilkEdTaPJE5zN3KwXoGWHRUbi7H9mZy12nrHM=; b=Xb+bvwOBkpcvRkQcLj8mBNQgEI85d6CKttLwkV7dOF6M9TRF/wLoPtmR3x0xcoYOwk bZup7HDkfa1DAHVwGqihuc5vJ4JazfOpzLodO1K2esQRVgQ9NTXd91ujMfAzVx8U1ThJ sW+rfBPOMwLY5s3J8+LjP3EM81PMkMXKUfFI0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.147.65 with SMTP id m1mr2403564icv.46.1314443882694; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 04:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.179.135 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 04:18:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201108270601.43649.lumiwa@gmail.com> References: <861uw7wg6z.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <201108270601.43649.lumiwa@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 06:18:02 -0500 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: ajtiM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Ross , "Randal L. Schwartz" Subject: Re: how can I use portmaster to update but skip a package X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 11:18:03 -0000 On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 6:01 AM, ajtiM wrote: > On Saturday 27 August 2011 00:56:20 Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > I use: > > portmaster -ai > > I ask you if you want to install or not. > > > Mitja > -------- Will it prompt me for every package? Or just for the ones that are failing? @all I succeeded in updating like 5 packages out of 21, but now gnome-mount does not compile :( gnome-mount.c:44:30: error: libnotify/notify.h: No such file or directory gnome-mount.c:1552: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before '*' token gnome-mount.c:1558: error: expected ')' before '*' token gnome-mount.c: In function 'unmount_cache_timeout_func': gnome-mount.c:1578: error: 'unmount_note' undeclared (first use in this function) gnome-mount.c:1578: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once gnome-mount.c:1578: error: for each function it appears in.) gnome-mount.c:1585: error: 'unmount_note_close_func' undeclared (first use in this function) gnome-mount.c: In function 'unmount_cache_timeout_start': gnome-mount.c:1604: error: 'unmount_note' undeclared (first use in this function) gnome-mount.c: In function 'unmount_cache_timeout_cancel': gnome-mount.c:1611: error: 'unmount_note' undeclared (first use in this function) gmake[3]: *** [gnome-mount.o] Error 1 gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/sysutils/gnome-mount/work/gnome-mount-0.8/src' gmake[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/sysutils/gnome-mount/work/gnome-mount-0.8/src' gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/sysutils/gnome-mount/work/gnome-mount-0.8' gmake: *** [all] Error 2 *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/sysutils/gnome-mount. ===>>> make failed for sysutils/gnome-mount ===>>> Aborting update ===>>> Update for sysutils/gnome-mount failed ===>>> Aborting update ===>>> There are messages from installed ports to display, but first take a moment to review the error messages above. Then press Enter when ready to proceed. Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 11:28:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8E1106566B for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 11:28:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86E28FC13 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 11:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yib19 with SMTP id 19so2729778yib.13 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 04:28:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=Bo56FJ5ZuUA8FyAO8h46twYaju/f/kgPPQooKpOF3DY=; b=ByWo+la2gycQnSj2DRX2jGtYPsm0bJSQjd2JNfCC3lPugP2jbl3Wq7y4FqVxWBtImA w4OLD6dJqBha5vuojtbJIQDA1/avI0BxWhsMp7F32dQ7HTNHbGWaFy1cBWLZJzXvI+uT aw/9GkNxgbGNnrx4UUvd9KFCd007cH1HnpFqM= Received: by 10.43.47.202 with SMTP id ut10mr2289459icb.424.1314442902159; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 04:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from athena.wi.rr.com (cpe-184-58-138-79.wi.res.rr.com [184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id lr4sm2826393icb.8.2011.08.27.04.01.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 27 Aug 2011 04:01:41 -0700 (PDT) From: ajtiM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 06:01:43 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.2-RELEASE-p1; KDE/4.6.5; i386; ; ) References: <861uw7wg6z.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> In-Reply-To: <861uw7wg6z.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201108270601.43649.lumiwa@gmail.com> Cc: Ross , Antonio Olivares , "Randal L. Schwartz" Subject: Re: how can I use portmaster to update but skip a package X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 11:28:27 -0000 On Saturday 27 August 2011 00:56:20 Randal L. Schwartz wrote: I use: portmaster -ai I ask you if you want to install or not. Mitja -------- http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 12:03:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5AD21065672 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 12:03:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773AA8FC1D for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 12:03:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from remote.double-l.nl (double-l.xs4all.nl [80.126.205.144]) by smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7RBpGib083076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 Aug 2011 13:51:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from SRV01.double-l.local ([fe80::1128:e7bc:ba4a:a89a]) by SRV01.double-l.local ([fe80::1128:e7bc:ba4a:a89a%13]) with mapi id 14.01.0218.012; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 13:51:57 +0200 From: Johan Hendriks To: Warren Block Thread-Topic: glabel, gmirror, and gpart Thread-Index: AQHMZFmHAv/qo2fusEeos3C6OPQ86pUv38MAgAAS+wCAABEQAIAAjEB6 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 11:51:56 +0000 Message-ID: <6C3F8332272B7D4DA26909F15F1C90E1E5B722@SRV01.double-l.local> References: , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: nl-NL, en-US Content-Language: nl-NL X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [94.208.228.112] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: "questions@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: glabel, gmirror, and gpart X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 12:03:01 -0000 =0A= >On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Warren Block wrote:= =0A= =0A= > So it's cosmetic, but not really the kind of message that instills=0A= > confidence. gptboot needs to be able to tell if it's reading from a=0A= > gmirror. Or gmirror should provide one block less than it does, so it=0A= > doesn't overwrite the GPT backup.=0A= =0A= I use the whole disk to gmirror setup on all my servers.=0A= =0A= And one day i thought i could try the gpart stuff.=0A= I also saw the message at startup, and disgarded it.=0A= This was on 8.1=0A= =0A= But when i did an upgrade to 8.2 later on, the system could not boot.=0A= So i had to find another way.=0A= =0A= So i would not do it like you do now, it could turn against you in the long= run.=0A= The thing i did was to mirror each partition.=0A= Like so http://unix-heaven.org/node/24=0A= that way it worked.=0A= Do not forget to make your second disk bootable also=0A= =0A= regards,=0A= Johan Hendriks= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 13:18:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582411065670 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 13:18:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11FC48FC13 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 13:18:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p7RDIKVd004925; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 07:18:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p7RDIKdN004922; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 07:18:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 07:18:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Johan Hendriks In-Reply-To: <6C3F8332272B7D4DA26909F15F1C90E1E5B722@SRV01.double-l.local> Message-ID: References: , <6C3F8332272B7D4DA26909F15F1C90E1E5B722@SRV01.double-l.local> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 27 Aug 2011 07:18:20 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Adam Vande More , "questions@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: glabel, gmirror, and gpart X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 13:18:23 -0000 On Sat, 27 Aug 2011, Johan Hendriks wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Warren Block wrote: > >> So it's cosmetic, but not really the kind of message that instills >> confidence. gptboot needs to be able to tell if it's reading from a >> gmirror. Or gmirror should provide one block less than it does, so it >> doesn't overwrite the GPT backup. > > I use the whole disk to gmirror setup on all my servers. > > And one day i thought i could try the gpart stuff. > I also saw the message at startup, and disgarded it. > This was on 8.1 > > But when i did an upgrade to 8.2 later on, the system could not boot. > So i had to find another way. > > So i would not do it like you do now, it could turn against you in the long run. > The thing i did was to mirror each partition. > Like so http://unix-heaven.org/node/24 > that way it worked. > Do not forget to make your second disk bootable also That was the idea I had last night trying to go back to sleep. Use gpart to partition the disks, and use gmirror to mirror the partitions. A little more setup, because you have to create multiple mirrors instead of one with partitions inside it. It also addresses Adam's question. For two dissimilar disks, create partitions of the same size and mirror them instead of the whole disk. gmirror apparently doesn't keep a list of outstanding writes, so smaller mirrors should be faster to sync. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 16:44:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FEA2106564A for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 16:44:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulbeard@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f45.google.com (mail-pz0-f45.google.com [209.85.210.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492AA8FC19 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 16:44:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33so13983614pzk.18 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 09:44:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=dRzZKaepGrGhdOypJE9NJ+D6ZW4LOIBraz0vUS0XiR8=; b=rtAEPrMriYCWSLymiq6taU+ebwPjAvD1i0xZT80oSdTziWg6RBwm7CqlVNmB//e4TX UNN/cE4QEOFX3eQ/MwMVkaU8QJEvQkljuRr5XRrR+LqKwYP2FW45WdtihWzdnusWrVm3 XR1o6ISIQPAWdekA/z6OnBF+OgDJJqposdXv4= Received: by 10.142.133.8 with SMTP id g8mr1240854wfd.393.1314462075819; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 09:21:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ivoire.paulbeard.org (c-76-121-105-198.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [76.121.105.198]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g14sm2861438wfh.22.2011.08.27.09.21.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 27 Aug 2011 09:21:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Beard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 09:21:11 -0700 Message-Id: <51754C95-3688-4B33-BD98-7DED5F28DC0E@gmail.com> To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD. ORG" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) Subject: wireless access point in FreeBSD 8.2p2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 16:44:44 -0000 I seem to be missing something, possibly from reading too many HOWTOs. = What I am trying to do is get a system with a wireless card to stand in = as a wireless AP should my aging LinkSys base station develop a tragic = smoke leak.=20 It's an ath0-based card and the following steps suggest it should work = (it has HOSTAP capabilities and offering robust encryption).=20 ifconfig wlan0 create wlandev ath0 ifconfig wlan0 list caps = drivercaps=3D6f85ed41 cryptocaps=3Df But various permutations of rc.conf, hostap.conf and many iterations of = /etc/rc.c/netif restart leave me with two ifconfig entries, one of the = ath0 interface and one for wlan0. None of the examples show this so I = suspect it's wrong. The IP address is pingable from the host it's = installed in but not from anywhere else. And I can see the AP from = another system and attach to it but it doesn't route any traffic.=20 from /etc/rc.conf:=20 wlans_ath0=3D"wlan0" create_args_wlan0=3D"wlanmode hostap" ifconfig_wlan0=3D"inet 192.168.0.26 netmask 255.255.255.0 ssid lower = mode 11g channel 8" from hostap.conf:=20 interface=3Dwlan0 debug=3D1 ctrl_interface=3D/var/run/hostapd ctrl_interface_group=3Dwheel ssid=3Dlower wpa=3D0 redacted results of ifconfig:=20 ath0: flags=3D8843 metric 0 mtu = 2290 ether 00:0d:88:93:21:3a media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect mode 11g = status: running wlan0: flags=3D8843 metric 0 mtu = 1500 ether 00:0d:88:93:21:3a inet 192.168.0.26 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255 inet6 fe80::20d:88ff:fe93:213a%wlan0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x7=20 nd6 options=3D3 media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect mode 11g = status: running ssid lower channel 8 (2447 MHz 11g) bssid 00:0d:88:93:21:3a regdomain FCC indoor ecm authmode AUTO privacy OFF txpower 27 scanvalid 60 protmode CTS wme burst dtimperiod 1 -dfs Yes, I am trying it without any encryption until I see some packets = being passed.=20 It seems like a lot of people are getting this to work but I'm not able = to follow how they did it.=20 -- Paul Beard Are you trying to win an argument or solve a problem?=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 17:20:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA57D106564A for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 17:20:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3C88FC0A for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 17:20:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywo32 with SMTP id 32so4461967ywo.13 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 10:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.116.33 with SMTP id f21mr14528964yhh.45.1314465650799; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 10:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from papi.localnet ([187.112.12.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q25sm833069yhm.48.2011.08.27.10.20.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 27 Aug 2011 10:20:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lobo To: Polytropon Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 14:20:47 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.2-STABLE; KDE/4.6.2; amd64; ; ) References: <201108250124.51558.lobo@bsd.com.br> <20110825063954.ac5b6625.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110825063954.ac5b6625.freebsd@edvax.de> X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201108271420.48208.lobo@bsd.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 17:20:51 -0000 On Thursday 25 August 2011 01:39:54 Polytropon wrote: > > Last, suppose you issue a general invitation for people to go over to > > your house for a free dinner, with food that you know (because you > > helped in preparing it!) in your heart and taste to be excellent, well > > prepared and nutritious. And all of a sudden I storm at your door and > > yell for all the guests that already know what you know about the food, > > without even tasting anything, that a "very good and knowledgeable" > > friend of mine told me that the kitchen is as dirty as hell, the food > > tastes terrible and that all the guests will get diarrhea and probably > > die if they eat anything. > > > > What would you do? > > Wow, what a nice analogy! =^_^= Thanks Man. :) I can almost feel sorry for "poor" Evan. I think he doesn't know what he's missing here. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 18:56:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E981065670 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:56:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from antiequality@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463F08FC08 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:56:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwi36 with SMTP id 36so4529735wwi.31 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 11:56:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4VBpKMA/Bf6BSV51HjWSpGzuwiMNppABKkFEJjokWgc=; b=GqMDQqYS+GIJW1b+OeAoNhNnItRMKMKjan2ZpyBb3YmAzIWDOMpPqjdbdGsF58pV+0 pX5v55JlI4WVPkQLbGZy24LRVOTSK4qGt4wfdHYUIjQD6NQsA2++qw9lxpQZ+64BsoZr 5eLBsi0JsuiUZ2AVZ5ewRShvDeKVX1q39caFw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.171.200 with SMTP id r50mr2029344wel.90.1314471377113; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 11:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.66.201 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 11:56:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110825043208.fe201707.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <16851_1313817220_4E4F4284_16851_6517_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C521886E@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110825043208.fe201707.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 13:56:16 -0500 Message-ID: From: Evan Busch To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:56:18 -0000 I can see this will be important here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Polytropon wrote: > But allow me to say > that _if_ you are interested in contributing in _that_ > way, you should always bring examples and name _concrete_ > points you're criticizing, instead of just mentioning > wide ranges of "this doesn't conform to my interpretation > of what 'professional' should look like". The problem with your statement is that it does not allow for general critique, which is also needed. If something shows up in more than one place, it is a general critique. > In most cases, documentation requires you to have a minimal > clue of what you're doing. There's terminology you simply > have to know, and concepts to understand in order to use > the documentation. See the Wikipedia page above -- the problem isn't one of user competence, but of poorly-written documentation that is fundamentally disorganized. Have you looked at any of the documentation coming out of Redmond right now? How do you think FreeBSD's documentation stands up to that? > Different kinds of users have different preferences. Some > like to use the web, like to use Wikis and discussion boards. > Others like to use structured web pages. Again, other like > web pages too, but want to have as much information in _one_ > (long) page. And there are those who do not want to depend > on the web - those like man pages. The question isn't form, but content. > If you're used to some specific _way_ of documentation, you > will maybe value anything that's _different_ from that way > as being inferior, non-professional, or less helpful. I think I'm talking about professional level documentation, not a specific "style." > Also keep in mind that especially for developers, the SOURCE > CODE also is an important piece of documentation. Here FreeBSD > is very good, compared to other systems. We're talking end-user documentation here. > Here the "one size fits all" problem arises. It's really hard > to make documentation "for everybody". I disagree. It's very clear what must be done because multiple archetypes exist. > Note the presence of ":-)" and the abilities of english native > speakers who are much more able to express "between the lines" > than I am, for example. If so, it's just them trying to cover up the inherently defensive and reactionary nature of their comments. Would they send such an email on a business list? > You can "predict" that everywhere. Just go to any halfway > specialized setting and make claims about something not > meeting your requirements I've never had this problem when the claims have been stated professionally -- only here. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 19:17:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8FB106564A for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 19:17:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh1.interactivevillages.com (ca.2e.7bae.static.theplanet.com [174.123.46.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C72A48FC08 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 19:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 184-78-197-203.war.clearwire-wmx.net ([184.78.197.203] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh1.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QxONq-0001Qk-Vm for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 12:17:12 -0700 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 27 Aug 2011 12:17:33 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 12:17:33 -0700 From: Chip Camden To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <20110827191733.GA8471@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <16851_1313817220_4E4F4284_16851_6517_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C521886E@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110825043208.fe201707.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zYM0uCDKw75PZbzx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh1.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 19:17:39 -0000 --zYM0uCDKw75PZbzx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Evan Busch on Saturday, 27 August 2011: >=20 > > In most cases, documentation requires you to have a minimal > > clue of what you're doing. There's terminology you simply > > have to know, and concepts to understand in order to use > > the documentation. >=20 > See the Wikipedia page above -- the problem isn't one of user > competence, but of poorly-written documentation that is fundamentally > disorganized. >=20 > Have you looked at any of the documentation coming out of Redmond right n= ow? >=20 > How do you think FreeBSD's documentation stands up to that? >=20 Oh please. I have to use that crap that comes out of Redmond on a daily basis. They never think things through and only answer the most shallow questions, and their "How to"s make their little "Was this helpful?" seem sarcastic. --=20 =2EO. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com =2E.O | sterling@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com OOO | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com --zYM0uCDKw75PZbzx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOWULNAAoJEIpckszW26+RL6IH/iQPpsytw3wk1QhNkrLIfYTa NssRr3giO8M6XdhpnNaCT2g1e1n4N25gDRaowNLZFsH8ZmPY9LMplawrmL689lvY s4e4AK5VFoyz5trwnTggqmVMDQeTN0BWqBr7Ipv0y7boQlAPfW14VbHa4AoiEJoS EUiLirB0+IK/NdRQGt3yxaCtoR2T38I6UfyJQ7Z2TIVhSJlAjvHGUigRnMOjJtqr f3AxaHC/3tktB7dS1eu/bWRdEt6AAa/Gsbs/GmMK9axqhR/ct1f6CYD3h9PdmuN3 tExC0qHzxyXlSt85Xa6/G1uOOnjZPBe8jJKWD7ILuzmN4X93MsUpaqjRUokEmok= =q6dS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zYM0uCDKw75PZbzx-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 19:29:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B66106564A for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 19:29:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [130.149.58.146]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF948FC19 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 19:29:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (localhost.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [127.0.0.1]) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7RJTdEa098657 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 21:29:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: (from elon@localhost) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p7RJTbD5098656 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 21:29:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from elon) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 21:29:37 +0200 From: Leon =?iso-8859-15?Q?Me=DFner?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110827192937.GA48651@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110822231152.GT48651@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20110822231152.GT48651@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: NFSv4 directory listing issues. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 19:29:42 -0000 On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 01:11:52AM +0200, Leon Meßner wrote: > Hi, > > i'm just testing a kerberized NFSv4 export of a ZFS-Filesystem. Both > client and server are FreeBSD at the moment. I tried Linux clients, but > could not mount with sec=krb5. If i mount an exported directory with > -o sec=krb5(i|p)i, directory listings with ls do sometimes take a very > long time (about 20times). Example output below. > > > time ls -la > total 8 > drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root wheel 4 Aug 16 13:27 . > drwxr-xr-x 3 locadm locadm 512 Aug 22 23:46 .. > drwxr-xr-x+ 2 root wheel 2 Aug 16 13:27 testdir > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 0 Aug 16 13:27 testfile > 0.003u 0.003s 0:00.23 0.0% 0+0k 0+0io 0pf+0w > > time ls -la > total 8 > drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root wheel 4 Aug 16 13:27 . > drwxr-xr-x 3 locadm locadm 512 Aug 22 23:46 .. > drwxr-xr-x+ 2 root wheel 2 Aug 16 13:27 testdir > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 0 Aug 16 13:27 testfile > 0.000u 0.007s 0:04.27 0.0% 0+0k 0+0io 0pf+0w > > The share is mounted by a local user with a kerberos ticket by > mount -t nfs -o nfsv4,sec=krb5 130.149.58.249:/home mount. > Mounting with sec=sys does not produce this problem. > Has anyone experienced similar issues ? It looks like this could be related to kern/158432 [1] although i'm using IPv4 and amd64. I can't test it at the moment because the testmachine is temp. out of service but i got the same error messages in my kdc's log file. Greetings, Leon [1] http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=158432&cat=kern From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 19:58:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D80106564A for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 19:58:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (asmtp3.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC5F8FC0C for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 19:58:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7RJw7XD027388; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 20:58:08 +0100 Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (host-92-22-213-152.as13285.net [92.22.213.152]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7RJw7TK027379; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 20:58:07 +0100 Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F056533C1F; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 20:58:06 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 20:58:06 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: Evan Busch Message-ID: <20110827195806.GA9802@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <16851_1313817220_4E4F4284_16851_6517_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C521886E@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110825043208.fe201707.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 19:58:10 -0000 --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 01:56:16PM -0500, Evan Busch wrote: > > I can see this will be important here: >=20 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma >=20 > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > But allow me to say > > that _if_ you are interested in contributing in _that_ > > way, you should always bring examples and name _concrete_ > > points you're criticizing, instead of just mentioning > > wide ranges of "this doesn't conform to my interpretation > > of what 'professional' should look like". >=20 > The problem with your statement is that it does not allow for general > critique, which is also needed. If something shows up in more than one > place, it is a general critique. You haven't shown *one* example of inadequate or confusing documentation.=20 >=20 > > In most cases, documentation requires you to have a minimal > > clue of what you're doing. There's terminology you simply > > have to know, and concepts to understand in order to use > > the documentation. >=20 > See the Wikipedia page above -- the problem isn't one of user > competence, but of poorly-written documentation that is fundamentally > disorganized. >=20 > Have you looked at any of the documentation coming out of Redmond right n= ow? >=20 > How do you think FreeBSD's documentation stands up to that? FreeBSD documentation blows away anything Redmond gives you. Where's the documentation for Windows Explorer for Vista on microsoft.com? A link will do. >=20 >=20 > > Different kinds of users have different preferences. Some > > like to use the web, like to use Wikis and discussion boards. > > Others like to use structured web pages. Again, other like > > web pages too, but want to have as much information in _one_ > > (long) page. And there are those who do not want to depend > > on the web - those like man pages. >=20 > The question isn't form, but content. >=20 > > If you're used to some specific _way_ of documentation, you > > will maybe value anything that's _different_ from that way > > as being inferior, non-professional, or less helpful. >=20 > I think I'm talking about professional level documentation, not a > specific "style." By your own admission you don't even use FreeBSD so how on earth can you constructively criticise? Answer: you can't. >=20 > > Also keep in mind that especially for developers, the SOURCE > > CODE also is an important piece of documentation. Here FreeBSD > > is very good, compared to other systems. >=20 > We're talking end-user documentation here. In a lot of cases the source IS end-user documentation? BTW, how does that compare with Redmond? >=20 > > Here the "one size fits all" problem arises. It's really hard > > to make documentation "for everybody". >=20 > I disagree. It's very clear what must be done because multiple archetypes= exist. Well do it. Put up or shut up. >=20 > > Note the presence of ":-)" and the abilities of english native > > speakers who are much more able to express "between the lines" > > than I am, for example. >=20 > If so, it's just them trying to cover up the inherently defensive and > reactionary nature of their comments. They're inherently defensive and reactionary because you're trolling. >=20 > Would they send such an email on a business list? Who cares? It's not a business list. >=20 > > You can "predict" that everywhere. Just go to any halfway > > specialized setting and make claims about something not > > meeting your requirements >=20 > I've never had this problem when the claims have been stated > professionally -- only here. OK, so you'll be able to provide links then? Thought not. --=20 Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk5ZTE0ACgkQHduKvUAgeK5OkwCeId4KZVTjdPtA0436SU3B6ABa mcsAn0jL6XFsSBgcnVcVm07UgDTHSROn =tUQr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 22:09:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2FF1065686 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 22:09:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5198FC0C for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 22:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p7RMAtq9035907 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 17:10:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 17:10:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201108272210.p7RMAtq9035907@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 22:09:39 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 27 13:58:08 2011 > Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 13:56:16 -0500 > From: Evan Busch > To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" > Subject: Re: A quality operating system > > I can see this will be important here: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > But allow me to say that _if_ you are interested in contributing in > > _that_ way, you should always bring examples and name _concrete_ points > > you're criticizing, instead of just mentioning wide ranges of "this > > doesn't conform to my interpretation of what 'professional' should look > > like". > > The problem with your statement is that it does not allow for general > critique, FALSE TO FACT. He did =not= say that _only_ cricicisms of specific points were allowed. One can point to a specific instance, or possibly a small number of them, and _then_ >say something like ,'these are a few examples of this problem, it occurs _throughout_ the document. > ... which is also needed. If something shows up in more than one > place, it is a general critique. If you can't be botheed to identify _even_one_ specific instance of the 'general critique', you're part of the problem, not part of the solution. The latter types are _much_ more likely to get listened to than the former. Your choice. As one of the first-mentioned types, all you are doing it wasting the time of people who might have used that time to 'do something' about it. > > > In most cases, documentation requires you to have a minimal clue of > > what you're doing. There's terminology you simply have to know, and > > concepts to understand in order to use the documentation. > > See the Wikipedia page above -- the problem isn't one of user competence, > but of poorly-written documentation that is fundamentally disorganized. Feel free to demonstrate how you think it _should_ be done. > > Have you looked at any of the documentation coming out of Redmond right > now? Yup. That which comes with the O/S. > How do you think FreeBSD's documentation stands up to that? FAR more comprehensive. FAR more informative. FAR more _useful_. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 22:23:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 570001065672 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 22:23:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A79928FC0A for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 22:23:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F70E6B24; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 23:23:06 +0100 (BST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cran.org.uk; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mail; bh=+DMyAzHbW0yr q6BZ/paD+zeusQ0=; b=gQcsUgE/pbSHPZktoCNbFSAb3g+K/zkOvX3BZ064S/Fl 3Z4mgsyFHouiLuyRQ9WcAoF37LYrzyyXe/5OVG8oNMU12z3kX4+KCwnxib4QLWLO DvnYMrgnGIO+0FOM2mnCTo5tUgbPSudWLRsMYVBioOchKsTTgN9GUQ7erCbIizc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cran.org.uk; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=mail; b=uOT3Pq OQ1IY0Lz3dQk3VnMCSaODo7Nd5JhFVdNjsDE1ZxuSrEBcQjJf3T7EuaomdKi4eTu LCx9Vc0AMHhcGXTRqaHE3O5nrq2wW7EqUT1OP6Xa9eotfeLdd/9hxJ+h6+tSdU0B vZkhCBUNrZX01SCItdwDsmzMmsnl4KoVJ0gTg= Received: from [192.168.1.104] (188-222-18-231.zone13.bethere.co.uk [188.222.18.231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3BFE2E622C; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 23:23:06 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4E596E46.6010704@cran.org.uk> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 23:23:02 +0100 From: Bruce Cran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Shute References: <16851_1313817220_4E4F4284_16851_6517_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C521886E@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110825043208.fe201707.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110827195806.GA9802@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20110827195806.GA9802@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Evan Busch , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 22:23:08 -0000 On 27/08/2011 20:58, Frank Shute wrote: > Where's the documentation for Windows Explorer for Vista on > microsoft.com? > > A link will do. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/help/using ? -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 23:28:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 083A81065673 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 23:28:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from lariat.net (lariat.net [66.119.58.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FC5A8FC14 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 23:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from WildRover.lariat.net (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.net@lariat.net [66.119.58.2]) by lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02327 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 17:01:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <201108272301.RAA02327@lariat.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 17:01:24 -0600 To: questions@freebsd.org From: Brett Glass Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Subject: System hanging, error messages with USB drive on FreeBSD 8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 23:28:01 -0000 I'm working with a FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE/amd64 machine that's attempting to write data to an ordinary Kingston 8 GB microSD card. The card has been inserted into its USB adapter and plugged into a USB port on the machine. The system is locking up repeatedly with messages that say (da1:umass-sim1:1:0:0): SYNCHRONIZE CACHE(10). CDB: 35 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 (da1:umass-sim1:1:0:0): SCSI sense: Error code 0x52 A Web search reveals that problems like this have cropped up for many, many FreeBSD users as far back as 4.x. But I can't seem to find any solution (which amazes me; if there's a bug, one would think it would have gotten some attention). Do I have to abandon the use of FreeBSD with USB thumb drives (or maybe with USB altogether)? Hope not, but I may have to if I can't get this fixed. --Brett Glass