From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 02:09:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46AC1065673 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 02:09:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 989448FC12 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 02:09:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-14-151.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.14.151]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 062C01E600; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 04:09:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p8B29d2A001906; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 04:09:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 04:09:39 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Graeme Dargie Message-Id: <20110911040939.78360716.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <0EE458C34045A44DBC2CA2DC5CEB42B5232131B947@mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl> References: <0EE458C34045A44DBC2CA2DC5CEB42B5232131B947@mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Samba question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 02:09:42 -0000 On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 11:53:48 +0100, Graeme Dargie wrote: > I am trying to mount a samba share that is on a FreeBSD 8.2 > server to another FreeBSD 8.2 server, > > Mount_smbfs -I //user@host/share /mountpoint > > It then asks for a password, I enter the users password > and then get mount_smbfs: unable to open connection: > syserr = Authentication error > > Dmesg is showing smb_co_lock: recursive lock for object 1 > > I have samba integrated with Active Directory, so I then thought > ah maybe adding the user to AD would help, so I have done so > using the same password etc still no joy, I have make sure the > user has access rights on the samba share, restarted samba and > the same error persists, any ideas ? Sorry, my indivudal knowledge on "Windows" related things is very limited, but maybe you need to add some information into /etc/nsmb.conf? Maybe like this: [default] workgroup=YOUR_WORKGROUP_NAME [SERVERNAME] addr=192.168.2.2 [SERVERNAME:USERNAME] password=TOPSECRET where SERVERNAME and USERNAME correspond to the server's name and the username you use to access the share (with the proper password). See "man nsmb.conf" for details. Parts of those information should then be reflected in /etc/fstab, maybe like this: //user@SERVERNAME/share /smb/share smbfs rw,noauto 0 0 This should allow you to use # mount /smb/share a bit easier (and automatically, if desired). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 02:56:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4977106566C for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 02:56:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732AD8FC0A for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 02:56:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R2aDj-00006w-6t for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 04:56:35 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.85.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 04:56:35 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 04:56:35 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:03:27 -0400 Lines: 60 Message-ID: References: <0EE458C34045A44DBC2CA2DC5CEB42B5232131B947@mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl> <20110911040939.78360716.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: Samba question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 02:56:37 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 11:53:48 +0100, Graeme Dargie wrote: >> I am trying to mount a samba share that is on a FreeBSD 8.2 >> server to another FreeBSD 8.2 server, >> >> Mount_smbfs -I //user@host/share /mountpoint >> >> It then asks for a password, I enter the users password >> and then get mount_smbfs: unable to open connection: >> syserr = Authentication error >> >> Dmesg is showing smb_co_lock: recursive lock for object 1 >> >> I have samba integrated with Active Directory, so I then thought >> ah maybe adding the user to AD would help, so I have done so >> using the same password etc still no joy, I have make sure the >> user has access rights on the samba share, restarted samba and >> the same error persists, any ideas ? > > Sorry, my indivudal knowledge on "Windows" related things > is very limited, but maybe you need to add some information > into /etc/nsmb.conf? > > Maybe like this: > > [default] > workgroup=YOUR_WORKGROUP_NAME > > [SERVERNAME] > addr=192.168.2.2 > > [SERVERNAME:USERNAME] > password=TOPSECRET > > where SERVERNAME and USERNAME correspond to the server's name > and the username you use to access the share (with the proper > password). > > See "man nsmb.conf" for details. > > Parts of those information should then be reflected in /etc/fstab, > maybe like this: > > //user@SERVERNAME/share /smb/share smbfs rw,noauto 0 0 > > This should allow you to use > > # mount /smb/share > > a bit easier (and automatically, if desired). > Although it has been ages since I played with this, one thing I do recall: It matters that where indicated above the characters _must_ be in upper case. When I used to use such a setup I found it wouldn't work without it. Never knew exactly quite why. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 10 19:39:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6DA106564A for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 19:39:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mikelectronic@sapo.pt) Received: from sapo.pt (relay1.ptmail.sapo.pt [212.55.154.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AFEB88FC14 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 19:39:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 19492 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2011 19:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php07) (10.134.37.56) by relay1 with SMTP; 10 Sep 2011 19:12:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 23290 invoked by uid 64140); 10 Sep 2011 19:12:47 -0000 Received: from bl17-35-74.dsl.telepac.pt (bl17-35-74.dsl.telepac.pt [188.82.35.74]) by mail.sapo.pt (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 20:12:47 +0100 Message-ID: <20110910201247.81625pef4npfrxrj@mail.sapo.pt> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 20:12:47 +0100 From: mikelectronic@sapo.pt To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Dynamic Internet Messaging Program (DIMP) PTMail (3.3.3) X-Originating-IP: 188.82.35.74 X-PTMail-Version: 3.3.3 X-PTMail-User: as3560514@sapo.pt X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 03:01:50 +0000 Cc: Subject: Free BSD 9.0 Beta question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 19:39:32 -0000 Hi, I'm from Portugal, I see this software on the net, and I make a Live cd to test him, But, when I try to run it, it ask me for a Login and Password, so my question is where can I get Login and Password? 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Br Miguel Ferreira Portugal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 03:24:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7FB51065670 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 03:24:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9838FC0A for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 03:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-14-151.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.14.151]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0427C1EEE2; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 05:24:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p8B3OhK3002103; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 05:24:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 05:24:43 +0200 From: Polytropon To: mikelectronic@sapo.pt Message-Id: <20110911052443.b169ffd8.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110910201247.81625pef4npfrxrj@mail.sapo.pt> References: <20110910201247.81625pef4npfrxrj@mail.sapo.pt> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Free BSD 9.0 Beta question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 03:24:45 -0000 On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 20:12:47 +0100, mikelectronic@sapo.pt wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm from Portugal, I see this software on the net, and I make a Live > cd to test him, But, when I try to run it, it ask me for a Login and > Password, so my question is where can I get Login and Password? Per default, the username "root" is defined for the system administrator, and has an _empty_ password. You can add a username for yourself (see "adduser" command) and define your own password. Password changes are done using the "passwd" interactive command; see "man passwd" for details. You'll find excellent documentation about FreeBSD on the main web site. The FreeBSD Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ The FreeBSD FAQ: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/ Maybe I may also recommend this one for beginners: Introduction to FreeBSD. An Absolute Beginners Guide to FreeBSD: http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/book.phtml In your case, refer to 15.1. User Names and Passwords -- Logging In: http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/book.phtml#s1-15-1 -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Neraudi, skaties, kā par biezuci var kļūt: http://lovejitsu.com/store/images/biezucis.php Klauss UldisMartins From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 04:11:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA76106566C for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 04:11:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6727@bellsouth.net) Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [207.115.11.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE128FC16 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 04:11:28 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 04:11:26 +0000 (GMT) X-Comment: Sending client does not conform to RFC822 minimum requirements X-Comment: Date has been added by Maillennium Received: from localhost (adsl-68-18-76-188.sdf.bellsouth.net[68.18.76.188]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20110911041124H0600a73uqe>; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 04:11:26 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.18.76.188] From: "Thomas Mueller" Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: get rel 9.0 iso X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 04:11:28 -0000 To build FreeBSD 9.0 on USB stick for the old computer, host computer would be new amd64, cross-compiling for i386. I see default /var partition size for new FreeBSD installations was to be 4 GB, so I might be safer with 16 GB rather than 8 GB USB stick, even though there would be no need to install system source and ports tree on the USB stick. But I had already decided that I was not going to have separate partitions for /tmp, /var and /usr, but would want a separate partition for /home, except possibly on a USB stick. Now it looks like FreeBSD 9.0-to-be is pushing the idea of installing on GPT; even the memstick installation disk, where traditional MBR partitioning scheme would fit comfortably, uses GPT. I could build one kernel that would support the hardware on both computers, or one kernel for each computer. FreeBSD itself can run comfortably in well under 256 MB RAM. Resource hogs are the big applications: KDE, GNOME, bigger web browsers, multimedia, Adobe Flash Player, printers. Servers, not needing all the fancy stuff, can be set up on old computers as long as they're in good condition. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 05:23:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D96106564A for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 05:23:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90CFF8FC1B for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 05:23:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-14-151.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.14.151]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D933E5FD; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 07:23:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p8B5NU8J002602; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 07:23:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 07:23:30 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Thomas Mueller" Message-Id: <20110911072330.8906bdfa.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <0LzIOX-1RGENc1Hub-0140FM@mx.kundenserver.de> References: <0LzIOX-1RGENc1Hub-0140FM@mx.kundenserver.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: get rel 9.0 iso X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 05:23:33 -0000 On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 04:11:26 +0000 (GMT), Thomas Mueller wrote: > To build FreeBSD 9.0 on USB stick for the old computer, host > computer would be new amd64, cross-compiling for i386. Yes, in this case you would need to cross-compile. > I see default /var partition size for new FreeBSD installations > was to be 4 GB, so I might be safer with 16 GB rather than 8 GB > USB stick, even though there would be no need to install system > source and ports tree on the USB stick. Those would have been installed on the /usr partition, not on /var. I think 8 GB might be a quite huge partition, but that will depend on what you intend to use your server for. In some cases /var won't get bigger than 1 GB, on other cases it might fill up quite quickly. % df -h /var Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad4s1e 989M 133M 776M 15% /var This is an example from my home system - you can see that /var is hardly used. > But I had already decided that I was not going to have > separate partitions for /tmp, /var and /usr, but would > want a separate partition for /home, except possibly > on a USB stick. That's a good idea, so you can get rid of partition size calculations. But note that some temporary process might fill /tmp and therefore affect the _whole_ partition that also contains /usr. But maybe that won't be a problem as you put /home somewhere else. > Now it looks like FreeBSD 9.0-to-be is pushing the idea > of installing on GPT; even the memstick installation disk, > where traditional MBR partitioning scheme would fit > comfortably, uses GPT. You can easily apply GTP partitions for the same purpose, e. g. da0p1 for / (including /tmp, /var and /usr subtrees) and da0p2 for /home if you want them on _one_ media - or put da0p1 covering the whole stick to be mounted as /, and da1p1 (second USB media) for /home. > I could build one kernel that would support the hardware > on both computers, or one kernel for each computer. One for each, as you probably will use AMD64 kernel on the "bigger" machine. But you still _can_ use i386 on both of them except you intendedly _require_ AMD64 functionality on the "bigger" machine. > FreeBSD itself can run comfortably in well under 256 MB RAM. Yes, the OS has no problem booting fast even on such limited hardware. > Resource hogs are the big applications: KDE, GNOME, bigger > web browsers, multimedia, Adobe Flash Player, printers. Uhm... printers??? Oh, maybe CUPS, yes. :-) You can _still_ build workstation systems on limited hardware, but you have to be _very_ picky about the applications you use. For example, I have a 300 MHz P2 workstation that runs XFCE 3, Opera 8, mplayer (compiled because of getting the best optimization!), OpenOffice 2, xmms and LaTeX. This system runs well and is still quite usable. > Servers, not needing all the fancy stuff, can be set up on > old computers as long as they're in good condition. I completely agree, as I'm following this philosophy myself. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 06:35:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE7C1065675 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 06:35:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5E038FC08 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 06:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04B75E17F; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 08:35:59 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.458 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.458 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.142, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 8lkshyHB-ukU; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 08:35:58 +0200 (CEST) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (c-195-216-040-164.static.bjare.net [195.216.40.164]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5445E17B; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 08:35:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E6C56D5.4030600@eskk.nu> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 08:36:05 +0200 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110907 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD References: <4E6A3504.6020002@eskk.nu> <20110909191726.4af3e660@debiand1.localdom.ain> <4E6A6152.5070703@eskk.nu> <20110909222951.45a29861.freebsd@edvax.de> <4E6B324F.8030700@eskk.nu> <20110910082446.0e8280eb@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20110910082446.0e8280eb@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jerry Subject: Re: Printing from Firefox broken after update. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 06:35:45 -0000 > > I am not sure exactly what your problem is; however, after the Firefox > update, printing now takes forever. I use to be able to click on print > and have a document print virtually immediately. Now, I click print and > have time to eat breakfast, take a shower and get dressed before the > frigging thing prints out. This is definitely NOT a printer problem > since the printer is connected via a network to a Windows machine. > Clicking on the same document in IE results in the document being > printed immediately. Somehow, somewhere, something got seriously > broken in Firefox. > I do also get a print if I wait, but it's a one liner saying: Unrecoverable error: rangecheck in setpagedevice Operand stack: true --nostri /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 06:53:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BCB3106564A for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 06:53:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1FCC8FC15 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 06:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-14-151.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.14.151]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597C01E68D; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 08:53:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p8B6rgZ7003057; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 08:53:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 08:53:42 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Leslie Jensen Message-Id: <20110911085342.3c820f79.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4E6C56D5.4030600@eskk.nu> References: <4E6A3504.6020002@eskk.nu> <20110909191726.4af3e660@debiand1.localdom.ain> <4E6A6152.5070703@eskk.nu> <20110909222951.45a29861.freebsd@edvax.de> <4E6B324F.8030700@eskk.nu> <20110910082446.0e8280eb@scorpio> <4E6C56D5.4030600@eskk.nu> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Printing from Firefox broken after update. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 06:53:45 -0000 On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 08:36:05 +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote: > > > > > I am not sure exactly what your problem is; however, after the Firefox > > update, printing now takes forever. I use to be able to click on print > > and have a document print virtually immediately. Now, I click print and > > have time to eat breakfast, take a shower and get dressed before the > > frigging thing prints out. This is definitely NOT a printer problem > > since the printer is connected via a network to a Windows machine. > > Clicking on the same document in IE results in the document being > > printed immediately. Somehow, somewhere, something got seriously > > broken in Firefox. > > > > I do also get a print if I wait, but it's a one liner saying: > > Unrecoverable error: rangecheck in setpagedevice > Operand stack: > true --nostri Do you get better results when printing to a file (PS) and then sending it directly to the printer (via lpr)? Maybe this problem is comparable to my Opera printing problem (where I could identify Opera being the source of invalid PS data). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 07:10:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B881E106564A for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 07:10:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=k+WM9+=34=sanbe-farma.com=thomas@srs.bis3.ap.blackberry.com) Received: from smtp02.bis.ap.blackberry.com (smtp02.bis.ap.blackberry.com [216.9.247.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D218FC0C for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 07:10:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from b11.c4.bise3.blackberry ([192.168.0.111]) by srs.bis3.ap.blackberry.com (8.13.7 TEAMON/8.13.7) with ESMTP id p8B6fgjX029354 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 06:41:42 GMT Received: from 172.22.79.173 (cmp3.c4.bise3.blackberry [172.22.79.173]) by b11.c4.bise3.blackberry (8.13.7 TEAMON/8.13.7) with ESMTP id p8B6ffOj002933 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 06:41:41 GMT X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 1727775174 Message-ID: <1727775174-1315723297-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-975833377-@b14.c4.bise3.blackberry> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: Normal References: <4E6A3504.6020002@eskk.nu> <20110909191726.4af3e660@debiand1.localdom.ain> <4E6A6152.5070703@eskk.nu> <20110909222951.45a29861.freebsd@edvax.de> <4E6B324F.8030700@eskk.nu> <20110910082446.0e8280eb@scorpio> <4E6C56D5.4030600@eskk.nu> In-Reply-To: <4E6C56D5.4030600@eskk.nu> Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: thomas@sanbe-farma.com Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 06:41:28 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Printing from Firefox broken after update. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: thomas@sanbe-farma.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 07:10:20 -0000 T24gd2luZG93cyBpdCBkZWxheSBtdWNoIGxvbmdlciB0aGFuIHVzdWFsLCB5ZWEgc29tZXRoaW5n IGNoYW5nZSBpbiBmaXJlZm94LCBhZmZlY3QgdGhhdCAgDQpSZWdhcmRzDQoNCi0tLS0tT3JpZ2lu YWwgTWVzc2FnZS0tLS0tDQpGcm9tOiBMZXNsaWUgSmVuc2VuIDxsZXNsaWVAZXNray5udT4NClNl bmRlcjogb3duZXItZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnNAZnJlZWJzZC5vcmcNCkRhdGU6IFN1biwgMTEg U2VwIDIwMTEgMDg6MzY6MDUgDQpUbzogRnJlZUJTRDxmcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9uc0BmcmVlYnNk Lm9yZz4NCkNjOiBKZXJyeTxqZXJyeUBzZWliZXJjb20ubmV0Pg0KU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFByaW50 aW5nIGZyb20gRmlyZWZveCBicm9rZW4gYWZ0ZXIgdXBkYXRlLg0KDQoNCj4NCj4gSSBhbSBub3Qg c3VyZSBleGFjdGx5IHdoYXQgeW91ciBwcm9ibGVtIGlzOyBob3dldmVyLCBhZnRlciB0aGUgRmly ZWZveA0KPiB1cGRhdGUsIHByaW50aW5nIG5vdyB0YWtlcyBmb3JldmVyLiBJIHVzZSB0byBiZSBh YmxlIHRvIGNsaWNrIG9uIHByaW50DQo+IGFuZCBoYXZlIGEgZG9jdW1lbnQgcHJpbnQgdmlydHVh bGx5IGltbWVkaWF0ZWx5LiBOb3csIEkgY2xpY2sgcHJpbnQgYW5kDQo+IGhhdmUgdGltZSB0byBl YXQgYnJlYWtmYXN0LCB0YWtlIGEgc2hvd2VyIGFuZCBnZXQgZHJlc3NlZCBiZWZvcmUgdGhlDQo+ IGZyaWdnaW5nIHRoaW5nIHByaW50cyBvdXQuIFRoaXMgaXMgZGVmaW5pdGVseSBOT1QgYSBwcmlu dGVyIHByb2JsZW0NCj4gc2luY2UgdGhlIHByaW50ZXIgaXMgY29ubmVjdGVkIHZpYSBhIG5ldHdv cmsgdG8gYSBXaW5kb3dzIG1hY2hpbmUuDQo+IENsaWNraW5nIG9uIHRoZSBzYW1lIGRvY3VtZW50 IGluIElFIHJlc3VsdHMgaW4gdGhlIGRvY3VtZW50IGJlaW5nDQo+IHByaW50ZWQgaW1tZWRpYXRl bHkuIFNvbWVob3csIHNvbWV3aGVyZSwgc29tZXRoaW5nIGdvdCBzZXJpb3VzbHkNCj4gYnJva2Vu IGluIEZpcmVmb3guDQo+DQoNCkkgZG8gYWxzbyBnZXQgYSBwcmludCBpZiBJIHdhaXQsIGJ1dCBp dCdzIGEgb25lIGxpbmVyIHNheWluZzoNCg0KVW5yZWNvdmVyYWJsZSBlcnJvcjogcmFuZ2VjaGVj ayBpbiBzZXRwYWdlZGV2aWNlDQogICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICBPcGVyYW5kIHN0YWNrOg0KICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICB0cnVlICAtLW5vc3RyaQ0KDQovTGVzbGllDQpf X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXw0KZnJlZWJzZC1x dWVzdGlvbnNAZnJlZWJzZC5vcmcgbWFpbGluZyBsaXN0DQpodHRwOi8vbGlzdHMuZnJlZWJzZC5v cmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucw0KVG8gdW5zdWJzY3JpYmUsIHNl bmQgYW55IG1haWwgdG8gImZyZWVic2QtcXVlc3Rpb25zLXVuc3Vic2NyaWJlQGZyZWVic2Qub3Jn Ig0K From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 08:10:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD7C106566C for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 08:10:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6727@bellsouth.net) Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [204.127.217.106]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8578FC08 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 08:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 08:10:38 +0000 (GMT) X-Comment: Sending client does not conform to RFC822 minimum requirements X-Comment: Date has been added by Maillennium Received: from localhost (adsl-68-18-68-99.sdf.bellsouth.net[68.18.68.99]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20110911081038H0600a72rae>; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 08:10:38 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.18.68.99] From: "Thomas Mueller" Message-Id: <20110911081055.8DD7C106566C@hub.freebsd.org> Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: get rel 9.0 iso X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 08:10:55 -0000 I could build one kernel that would support the hardware on both computers, or one kernel for each computer. This would be the USB-stick i386 install. I would also have FreeBSD 9.0 amd64 on the new computer hard drive; would put the system source and ports tree on the hard-drive installation. I might put /home together with root and /usr on the main (USB-stick installation) partition. X Window manager would be IceWM. FreeBSD itself can run comfortably in well under 256 MB RAM. Resource hogs are the big applications: KDE, GNOME, bigger web browsers, multimedia, Adobe Flash Player, printers. Servers, not needing all the fancy stuff, can be set up on old computers as long as they're in good condition. By printers, I mean not only CUPS, but hplip which depends on cups. On BETA1, hplip build failed in cups because of undefined variable, I believe. Other failed port was fuse. On the computer from 2001, FreeBSD 8.1 and 8.2 /var got over 800 MB; I became nervous as /var data grew during the freebsd-update from 8.1 to 8.2. Most iso-downloadable (CD or DVD) Linux distributions now require 512 MB RAM or more; I believe PC-BSD requires at least 512 MB RAM. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 11:21:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 070C0106564A for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 11:21:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99478FC16 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 11:21:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxi39 with SMTP id 39so3087825vxi.13 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 04:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.148.193 with SMTP id q1mr1070600vcv.226.1315740104132; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 04:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-105-057.nc.res.rr.com [76.182.105.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q5sm8301196vdu.23.2011.09.11.04.21.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 11 Sep 2011 04:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3RxVGF3BpHz2CG4h for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 07:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 07:21:40 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110911072140.17d8ec2d@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20110911085342.3c820f79.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <4E6A3504.6020002@eskk.nu> <20110909191726.4af3e660@debiand1.localdom.ain> <4E6A6152.5070703@eskk.nu> <20110909222951.45a29861.freebsd@edvax.de> <4E6B324F.8030700@eskk.nu> <20110910082446.0e8280eb@scorpio> <4E6C56D5.4030600@eskk.nu> <20110911085342.3c820f79.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Printing from Firefox broken after update. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 11:21:46 -0000 On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 08:53:42 +0200 Polytropon articulated: > Do you get better results when printing to a file (PS) and > then sending it directly to the printer (via lpr)? Maybe > this problem is comparable to my Opera printing problem > (where I could identify Opera being the source of invalid > PS data). Wow, what a waste of time that is. I just use MS Windows when I have to print and avoid all that rigmarole. Firefox use to work correctly; however, it no longer does. At first I thought it was a localized phenomena; however, after checking on several different forums I have concluded that it is far more wide spread than I had originally thought. There have been reports filed against this behavior. If and when they are acted upon is anyone's guess. In the mean time, I just use what is convenient and works reliably without adding an undo burden upon myself. Continual use of broken software effectively makes the end user and enabler; something I have no desire to invest my time in. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 12:07:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D1B106564A for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 12:07:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 324DD8FC08 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 12:07:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-14-151.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.14.151]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09BA61D8ED for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:07:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p8BC7UqK004193 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:07:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:07:30 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Message-Id: <20110911140730.4a86ae49.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110911072140.17d8ec2d@scorpio> References: <4E6A3504.6020002@eskk.nu> <20110909191726.4af3e660@debiand1.localdom.ain> <4E6A6152.5070703@eskk.nu> <20110909222951.45a29861.freebsd@edvax.de> <4E6B324F.8030700@eskk.nu> <20110910082446.0e8280eb@scorpio> <4E6C56D5.4030600@eskk.nu> <20110911085342.3c820f79.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110911072140.17d8ec2d@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Printing from Firefox broken after update. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 12:07:38 -0000 On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 07:21:40 -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 08:53:42 +0200 > Polytropon articulated: > > > Do you get better results when printing to a file (PS) and > > then sending it directly to the printer (via lpr)? Maybe > > this problem is comparable to my Opera printing problem > > (where I could identify Opera being the source of invalid > > PS data). > > Wow, what a waste of time that is. I just use MS Windows when I have to > print and avoid all that rigmarole. Fully agree. I just use a PS printer (networked) and can print directly from any system and any application, no need for any rigmaroles. :-) > Firefox use to work correctly; however, it no longer does. At first I > thought it was a localized phenomena; however, after checking on > several different forums I have concluded that it is far more wide > spread than I had originally thought. This seems to be typical for development project that focus on "development at any cost", dropping functionality or accidentally losing some. Sadly such behaviour is not limited to Firefox, but also to other programs many users consider essential. > There have been reports filed against this behavior. If and when they > are acted upon is anyone's guess. In the mean time, I just use what is > convenient and works reliably without adding an undo burden upon > myself. Well, I always have problems understanding why functionality that has been working perfectly for years stops working, especially when changes that programmers made are in _no_ obvious relation to that functionality... This means: Don't update your software if you want to keep it working. And use a real printer that JUST WORKS. :-) > Continual use of broken software effectively makes the end > user and enabler; something I have no desire to invest my time in. Also agree. Firefox is not the only web browser available and usable (although it might be the world's favourite one). And finally, it wouldn't be the first product that users abandon due to such lack of... quality? Is this correct? I'd say yes. Coming back on topic: It would be useful to identify Firefox as initiator of the printing problems (if that isn't clear yet), just to make sure that it isn't CUPS (which often is used for its printer filters when using "winprinters"). That's why involving the "Print to file" step sounds useful here. In case Firefox produces defective Postscript, that would indicate that it's really a Firefox thing that should be fixed as soon as possible. This step of diagnostics should help to be sure _what_ to fix. By the way, I'm still using Firefox 6.0.1 here and don't have printing problems, even using with CUPS 1.4.6. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 13:03:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2CDA106564A for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:03:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc4-s26.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s26.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545568FC14 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:03:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP6 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s26.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 11 Sep 2011 06:03:20 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [76.182.105.57] X-Originating-Email: [carmel_ny@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ([76.182.105.57]) by BLU0-SMTP6.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 11 Sep 2011 06:03:19 -0700 Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3RxXWV1vcvz2CG4h for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:03:17 -0400 From: Carmel To: FreeBSD Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2011 13:03:19.0550 (UTC) FILETIME=[2DA1B1E0:01CC7083] Subject: KVM switch with FreeBSD-8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:03:21 -0000 I am thinking of using a "TRENDnet 2-Port DVI USB KVM Switch Kit with Audio TK-214i" with a FreeBSD-8.2 amd64 PC and a Windows 7 machine. I presently have a Samsung 24" digital monitor and a Logitech S510 cordless keyboard & mouse combination. The keyboard, mouse and monitor presently work fine on FreeBSD. I am wondering if anyone has any personal experience with using KVM switches with FreeBSD and what that experience might be. I would really like to integrate these two PC into using just one common monitor, etcetera mostly due to space considerations. -- Carmel ✌ carmel_ny@hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 16:11:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D0B1065670 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:11:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arab@tangerine-army.co.uk) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556CE8FC0A for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:11:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.4]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20110911161114.YIRR9871.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:11:14 +0100 Received: from [94.168.169.90] (helo=mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1R2mck-0004Fk-GC for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:11:14 +0100 Received: from mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl ([::1]) by mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl ([::1]) with mapi; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:07:04 +0100 From: Graeme Dargie To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:07:04 +0100 Thread-Topic: Media streaming software. Thread-Index: AcxwnM5oiErEv8W2QwaHiRDCttJR5g== Message-ID: <0EE458C34045A44DBC2CA2DC5CEB42B5232131B94B@mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=Ux-H4r9OzTcA:10 a=OMdUhd4NiskA:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=477ondHQLs99JiwimeQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=_3yX2_lghcfSvQUuyvIA:7 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Media streaming software. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:11:19 -0000 Hi All Must be a year or so ago I posted looking for some advice on media streamin= g software that had a some specific requirements, mainly that it would tran= scode media on the fly to an MPEG2 stream so the dlna enabled TV could disp= lay the stream, I did get some good advice at the time but ultimately nothi= ng quite fitted the bill. That was until someone mentioned serviio to me, so I looked in ports and su= re it enough it is there (/usr/ports/net/serviio) it works great happily my= TV will now play an MKV file and pretty much anything else I have thrown a= t it. So if you are looking for something that will work on a headless serv= er to allow you stream media .. I would check this one out. Regards Graeme From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 16:14:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A18106566B for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:14:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87AB8FC0A for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:14:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.37]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 11 Sep 2011 12:14:37 -0400 Received: from smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.104]) by mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.2.3-GA) with ESMTP id BBN37032; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 12:14:37 -0400 Received: from 209-6-41-114.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.41.114]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 11 Sep 2011 12:14:37 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20076.56940.849206.283586@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 12:14:36 -0400 To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Subject: KVM switch with FreeBSD-8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:14:39 -0000 Carmel writes: > I am thinking of using a "TRENDnet 2-Port DVI USB KVM Switch Kit with > Audio TK-214i" with a FreeBSD-8.2 amd64 PC and a Windows 7 machine. I > presently have a Samsung 24" digital monitor and a Logitech S510 > cordless keyboard & mouse combination. The keyboard, mouse and monitor > presently work fine on FreeBSD. > > I am wondering if anyone has any personal experience with using KVM > switches with FreeBSD and what that experience might be. I would really > like to integrate these two PC into using just one common monitor, > etcetera mostly due to space considerations. I have not used that particular make/model, but I have used a KVM and it worked. I vaguely remember accounts of people who had problems; a search of the mailing-list archives is advisable. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 16:20:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B44D3106566B for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:20:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42BBC8FC15 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:20:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxg9 with SMTP id 9so420894fxg.13 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:20:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=d2t3QnJR1XF8NU0HyH9E4YPeurVvaFwCnJkeokfmzOg=; b=ED/7B+QYNBP6jJZ2ouai9HMDP7Bhzmv3Wsh30l+KWlnerD4cIMXMfJXM3QmOLlPJAe X8LJ3lYqG7x5mEJ2wHSZBYbXJ8THW8fAf8RRmUq3yhxmdch4x8WNYkuAAWcgXFjuHysb 2t9Ri1wPq/pJf9zY9Pq6pbwRgK5qhU6OPcSXY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.94.147 with SMTP id z19mr2053547fam.107.1315758019989; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.119.196 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:20:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 11:20:19 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: KVM switch with FreeBSD-8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:20:21 -0000 On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Carmel wrote: > I am wondering if anyone has any personal experience with using KVM > switches with FreeBSD and what that experience might be. I would really > like to integrate these two PC into using just one common monitor, > etcetera mostly due to space considerations. > My experience with this is limited, but good. It's been sometime since I've used this setup, but I recall the FreeBSD was actually PCBSD and for it to work correctly I have to have them KVM switched to it when X was starting. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 17:14:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE5F6106564A for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:14:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8658FC12 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:14:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.93.1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (account sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.125.240] verified) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.13) with ESMTPSA id 20327023 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 00:14:09 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p8BHE89n062650 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 00:14:09 +0700 (OMSST) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id p8BHE8b1062649 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 00:14:08 +0700 (OMSST) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 00:14:08 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110911171408.GA62500@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mail-Followup-To: Victor Sudakov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110909062121.GA28440@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.livejournal.com/pubkey.bml?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 Subject: Re: Need an audio multicasting solution X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:14:12 -0000 Alejandro Imass wrote: > > > > I need a solution to read sound from a soundcard (/dev/dsp) and > > multicast it into the network, for the multicast audio stream to be > > played on FreeBSD, Linux and Windows workstations. No sophisticated > > codecs needed, plain PCM would do. > > > > Can you advise something? I know that in theory there are many ways to > > implement this, but I am especially interested in personal first-hand > > experience, success stories or good white papers. Please no > > lmgtfu-type replies. Thanks very much in advance. > > > > I doubt people in this list are the lmgtfu type! > > I use Icecast on FBSD and it works great. Alejandro, correct me if I am wrong but AFAIK Icecast works with mp3 files. Can it really read audio from /dev/dsp? I don't need mp3, I would prefer to multicast simple PCM data. Even 8 bit PCM (64 Kbit/s) would do. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 17:01:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3085C106566B for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:01:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ayaz.bagirov@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E6C8FC13 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:01:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyf2 with SMTP id 2so3271700gyf.13 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 10:01:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Q3ZXMQSjrDvN1+nMzX3iOUIccMWIPAGhC0QfephJUUs=; b=u4oHikM+vUgKiG8yq6/seBtvUHoR2pz1k04FuhAJh0/30lEAdvXeexbfC/qlV8RRRj Zi3pYY+rP/FXmo2eEDBs5sCqWHVjkT3ThhzAY6JcN+swH2glSscAlKzITfExckIeaFqN EWkNOcKl3Nc25Irammlolyc+px+05nw7cdOa0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.177.69 with SMTP id c45mr21443410yhm.97.1315759074943; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.202.226 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:37:54 +0200 Message-ID: From: Ayaz Baghirov To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:47:15 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Create official mirror of FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:01:31 -0000 Good day my dear colleagues! My name is Ayaz Baghirov, I live in Azerbaijan and work in IT sector about 3 years. I got acquainted with open systems and software not a time ago. But liked them immediately. Especially *nix and *BSD systems. It's so exciting to have a deal with a stable systems! So that's why I decided to write you a letter concerning creating an official mirror of FreeBSD server in my country. That all need to know is what procedures should I make? And what demands to server and internet channel is required? At the end I'd like to wish success and good luck to all FreeBSD team! I hope to get detailed answer from you! Looking forward to your response,Yours sincerely Ayaz Baghirov. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 18:01:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFFD81065673 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:01:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31BB8FC0C for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywp17 with SMTP id 17so371091ywp.13 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 11:01:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dG2ZJvusDeG9U0h5FfU/s8/P8H0KA85VWQAtOdnrbVM=; b=qEstwM/biMGBv4h7pmwxzIMUfPYtK+CYGOt4K9tpze/zOZbNO0Oh18AdwGuT9xHRXP bOC+VEISwFL0w1mF9ZU655cBsTuwmT9YIahFNuQPC97tR0kWnWsSDkSt9Ud+zmLcjX3K jkzadPK066rePxZjDLVy39qE1llg8FRzpYYlU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.49.69 with SMTP id uz5mr615488icb.446.1315764072826; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 11:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.177.3 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 11:01:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:01:12 -0500 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: Ayaz Baghirov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Create official mirror of FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:01:14 -0000 On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Ayaz Baghirov wr= ote: > Good day my dear colleagues! > > My name is Ayaz Baghirov, I live in Azerbaijan and work in IT sector abou= t 3 > years. I got acquainted with open systems and software not a time ago. Bu= t > liked them immediately. Especially *nix and *BSD systems. It's so excitin= g > to have a deal with a stable systems! =A0So that's why I decided to write= you > a letter concerning creating an official mirror of FreeBSD server in my > country. That all need to know is what procedures should I make? And what > demands to server and internet channel is required? > At the end I'd like to wish success and good luck to all FreeBSD team! > > I hope to get detailed answer from you! > > Looking forward to your response,Yours sincerely Ayaz Baghirov. > _______________________________________________ You may refer to the following document: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/hubs/index.html Hope it helps. Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 18:28:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 193931065672 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:28:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [66.251.72.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 925A58FC08 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:28:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nber6.nber.org (nber6.nber.org [66.251.72.76]) by mail2.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p8BISnL4036755; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:28:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from localhost (feenberg@localhost) by nber6.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p8BISgog022645; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:28:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: nber6.nber.org: feenberg owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:28:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg X-X-Sender: feenberg@nber6 To: Robert Huff In-Reply-To: <20076.56940.849206.283586@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Message-ID: References: <20076.56940.849206.283586@jerusalem.litteratus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Anti-Virus: Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux Mail Server 5.6.39/RELEASE, bases: 20110911 #6211799, check: 20110911 clean Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: KVM switch with FreeBSD-8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:28:53 -0000 On Sun, 11 Sep 2011, Robert Huff wrote: > > Carmel writes: > >> I am thinking of using a "TRENDnet 2-Port DVI USB KVM Switch Kit with >> Audio TK-214i" with a FreeBSD-8.2 amd64 PC and a Windows 7 machine. I >> presently have a Samsung 24" digital monitor and a Logitech S510 >> cordless keyboard & mouse combination. The keyboard, mouse and monitor >> presently work fine on FreeBSD. >> >> I am wondering if anyone has any personal experience with using KVM >> switches with FreeBSD and what that experience might be. I would really >> like to integrate these two PC into using just one common monitor, >> etcetera mostly due to space considerations. > > I have not used that particular make/model, but I have used a > KVM and it worked. I vaguely remember accounts of people who had > problems; a search of the mailing-list archives is advisable. The problem I have heard of relates to "what happens if the machine boots with the KVM switched to another machine?" The KVM may need to pretend there is a keyboard connected at that point. You certainly can't tell by looking at the box, but the Trendnet TK-407 I have (which is a 4-port USB KVM from the vendor you mention) works fine with FreeBSD and Windows. We haven't tested the mouse in FreeBSD. Since any USB KVM would be fairly recent, you might just want to take a chance. Solaris Sparc systems had worse problems. Daniel Feenberg > > > Robert Huff > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 18:32:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34F8106564A for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:32:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA538FC15 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:32:28 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; s=DKIM-NAME-SERVICES; d=a1poweruser.com; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:X-Sender:X-Envelope-From; l=500; bh=8oD6X166w9erRKZOVX5idfhBBm+6nTbL3qgoF2gmDY4=; b=SnNZ8UfwxPJIGiOVHHfkduVF6hKciJ9DD1Sz9MLt4UOEB+jl25exosok5pUzmVTOo6WGhh9DKkwg1rILYmVZxW8CEycUDMEkNSaxZ9vcKDaVFRZcdH6HM+xlWJJNPMMUxkLxncTyqxWMJR7ci9JaVV9MA1Qgl76nRaTNUTCc63c= Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([76.240.47.196]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 11 Sep 2011 11:32:28 -0700 Message-ID: <4E6CFEBA.9090000@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:32:26 -0400 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2011 18:32:28.0365 (UTC) FILETIME=[28D7B7D0:01CC70B1] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Envelope-From: fbsd8*a1poweruser.com Subject: 9.0 beta2 & the new bsdinstaller X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:32:28 -0000 Here are some problems that need to be addressed in 9.0. If this list is not the correct list to notify the release team then please post to the correct list. 1. During the transitional phase to using the new installer, the bsdinstaller welcome screen should have option to select to use the old sysinstall instead of continuing with the new bsdinstaller. Selecting the shell option and entering sysinstall on the command line does launch the previous installer but it does not really work. 2. On the select a keyboard language menu screen, there are 9 options for USA and none of them is the 101 keyboard layout. I've been installing FBSD since release 4.0 and have never changed the keyboard from what ever the default was. This keyboard menu should list the first entry in the list as (default and use the keyboard language as used in all previous releases. Also the keymap= statement that is placed in /etc/rc.conf should have a default setting in /etc/defaults/rc.conf. The system hangs if the keymap= statement is missing from /etc/rc.conf on boot. 3.Following the keyboard language menu screen is the "set host name" screen. It seems that the keyboard language selected in the previous menu is now in effect and if the keys layout does not line up with the keyboard you have, then what ever you enter for the host name is scrambled, (IE. type in "home" and "dwkc" is what shows on the screen). There is no option to return to previous keyboard language menu screen to select different keyboard language. Only option is to reboot and start all over again from the beginning of the new bsdinstaller. 4. Distribution selection menu screen. The games & ports options are checked with an asterisk meaning these are the defaults. All the options on this menu should be blank so user has to make selection. Default should be no selections. 5. Final configuration screen has the "add user" option and the OK button highlighted. Hitting keyboard enter key takes you into add user function as the default. The exit option should be first in the list so its highlighted and hitting enter on your keyboard moves you to next menu screen just like all the other bsdinataller screens do. 6. At the "Complete screen" when the reboot option is selected the cd/dvd drive should automatically open so the install media can be removed just like sysinstall does. If disc1.iso or dvd.iso was installed to memstick and used to boot from to install the system, then a message screen should pop out saying the memstick has to be removed now before the reboot starts. Don't let the reboot occur until the memstick is removed. 7. On the partition editor screen the option should be the first in the list (ie; left most side) so if user accepts this config, hitting enter moves to next menu screen instead of having to tab over taking more time and effort. 8. No where in the bsdinstaller is any help available. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 18:33:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A081065670 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:33:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from editor@d3photography.com) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C15C8FC08 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:33:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A5C26D94F9; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:35:16 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZEOvAYzAg+sj; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:35:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.0.1.198] (70-89-202-1-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47CC926D94F8; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:35:04 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: <4E6CFEBA.9090000@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:33:39 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <4E6CFEBA.9090000@a1poweruser.com> To: Fbsd8 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: 9.0 beta2 & the new bsdinstaller X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:33:54 -0000 On Sep 11, 2011, at 1:32 PM, Fbsd8 wrote: > Here are some problems that need to be addressed in 9.0. > If this list is not the correct list to notify the release team > then please post to the correct list. I suggest you find the right list and do that yourself. :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 19:09:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE4C106564A for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 19:09:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc4-s26.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s26.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357638FC12 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 19:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP467 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s26.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 11 Sep 2011 12:09:04 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [76.182.105.57] X-Originating-Email: [carmel_ny@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ([76.182.105.57]) by BLU0-SMTP467.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 11 Sep 2011 12:09:02 -0700 Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3RxhdT3xXGz2CG4h for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:09:01 -0400 From: Carmel To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: <20076.56940.849206.283586@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2011 19:09:02.0427 (UTC) FILETIME=[449B02B0:01CC70B6] Subject: Re: KVM switch with FreeBSD-8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 19:09:04 -0000 On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Daniel Feenberg articulated: > The problem I have heard of relates to "what happens if the machine > boots with the KVM switched to another machine?" The KVM may need to > pretend there is a keyboard connected at that point. You certainly > can't tell by looking at the box, but the Trendnet TK-407 I have > (which is a 4-port USB KVM from the vendor you mention) works fine > with FreeBSD and Windows. We haven't tested the mouse in FreeBSD. > Since any USB KVM would be fairly recent, you might just want to take > a chance. There is a Windows configuration utility that can be used to setup the switch. The way I figure it, if I cannot get it to work satisfactory, I can always return it. Does your switch work when "X" is not loaded? I have not been able to get a satisfactory answer regarding that. Someone mentioned that "X" has to be loaded first. That would definitely be a deal breaker. Thanks for your feedback. -- Carmel ✌ carmel_ny@hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 19:21:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 345BB106566C for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 19:21:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7F898FC08 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 19:21:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxg9 with SMTP id 9so530028fxg.13 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 12:21:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=dVrLJOOGlhgNqEqYLhekuyXfTRwPoOcLbG++R31IfLU=; b=wCLGXR6y2ZZEJvKcmKSmtNsB5he4kLDMFNUQn9A/+UtklbqM+d3vSktrEwsBK0HQP9 x88qw7J5h8pI5w4V3m6qcRlDmjWp4ggJNDpVADZVOyP8MMfMoh8ly8G1BiZDa8WBiQFU qNt9kKi2G+5ihgETueJQgw0cPREn+U7XMb+rI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.94.147 with SMTP id z19mr2293030fam.107.1315768885354; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 12:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.119.196 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 12:21:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20076.56940.849206.283586@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:21:25 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: KVM switch with FreeBSD-8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 19:21:27 -0000 On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Carmel wrote: > > > Does your switch work when "X" is not loaded? I have not been able to > get a satisfactory answer regarding that. Someone mentioned that "X" > has to be loaded first. That would definitely be a deal breaker. > What I said is that the KVM, in my case, had to be set to the FreeBSD system when X was started for the KVM/FreeBSD system interaction to be correct. That's a much different circumstance that X has to be loaded first which is something I did not say. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 20:28:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B226F106566C for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:28:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [66.251.72.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 430808FC12 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:28:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nber7.nber.org (nber7.nber.org [66.251.72.41]) by mail2.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p8BKSPMZ065923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:28:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from localhost (feenberg@localhost) by nber7.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p8BKSOKM006066; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:28:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: nber7.nber.org: feenberg owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:28:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20076.56940.849206.283586@jerusalem.litteratus.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LFD 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-79550136-633066391-1315772904=:4016" X-Anti-Virus: Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux Mail Server 5.6.39/RELEASE, bases: 20110911 #6211799, check: 20110911 clean Subject: Re: KVM switch with FreeBSD-8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:28:28 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---79550136-633066391-1315772904=:4016 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sun, 11 Sep 2011, Carmel wrote: > On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:28:42 -0400 (EDT) > Daniel Feenberg articulated: > >> The problem I have heard of relates to "what happens if the machine >> boots with the KVM switched to another machine?" The KVM may need to >> pretend there is a keyboard connected at that point. You certainly >> can't tell by looking at the box, but the Trendnet TK-407 I have >> (which is a 4-port USB KVM from the vendor you mention) works fine >> with FreeBSD and Windows. We haven't tested the mouse in FreeBSD. >> Since any USB KVM would be fairly recent, you might just want to take >> a chance. > > There is a Windows configuration utility that can be used to setup the > switch. The way I figure it, if I cannot get it to work satisfactory, I > can always return it. > > Does your switch work when "X" is not loaded? I have not been able to > get a satisfactory answer regarding that. Someone mentioned that "X" > has to be loaded first. That would definitely be a deal breaker. > If you are asking, "Is there a FreeBSD command to cause the KVM switch to move to the next system?" then the answer is "I don't know and it would amaze me if there were." If the question is "Does the switch care what the OS is?" then the answer is, you can press the physical button on the switch to change the system connected. The OS doesn't know it doesn't have the screen and keyboard, and is in no way affected by the KVM switch, just as the KVM doesn't know or care what the OS is. I just looked at the manual for the 207K online, and it indeed comes with a utility that runs under windows. That won't work with FreeBSD but the switch has actual buttons on it, and they will work fine. Daniel Feenberg > Thanks for your feedback. > > -- > Carmel ✌ > carmel_ny@hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ---79550136-633066391-1315772904=:4016-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 21:19:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B34106564A for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 21:19:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B1D8FC13 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 21:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p8BLAmBE011222; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:10:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p8BLAmMP011219; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:10:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:10:48 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Daniel Feenberg In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20076.56940.849206.283586@jerusalem.litteratus.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII; FORMAT=flowed Content-ID: X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:10:48 -0600 (MDT) Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: KVM switch with FreeBSD-8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 21:19:52 -0000 On Sun, 11 Sep 2011, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > If you are asking, "Is there a FreeBSD command to cause the KVM switch to > move to the next system?" then the answer is "I don't know and it would amaze > me if there were." There's often a key sequence to advance to the next port or a specific port. > If the question is "Does the switch care what the OS is?" then the answer is, > you can press the physical button on the switch to change the system > connected. The OS doesn't know it doesn't have the screen and keyboard, and > is in no way affected by the KVM switch, just as the KVM doesn't know or care > what the OS is. Well... there's monitor detection by the video card. That can cause problems. Also, going through the KVM can reduce video quality with VGA and high resolutions. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 22:18:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C8F8106564A for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:18:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexus@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7ED48FC14 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:18:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywp17 with SMTP id 17so465235ywp.13 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:18:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0YD2CvT70/qkFHM15nq+a8j7t3X0XoZ/g9ifIODhA+U=; b=dfVFcWlnnVTofQgU5FCgs8SAChq1XND/jfeyuehymDOunfonfAdA3BIhOtXlPJ0hw2 oaZn/CoBiKajaFbup7p74dq6UT0ZKQLrWeKVIiTEip7tJxSEBBSd6tOwYaYEtyMAZBHS OvGesGjTROW7HApKvv0H6S/i1Zmtoncmq7uII= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.41.5 with SMTP id b5mr107472pbl.184.1315779490540; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.164.7 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:18:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: alexus To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: traffic shaping freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:18:12 -0000 can someone provide a real (working) live example of traffic shaping with ipfw i just can't get mine to work no matter what... -- http://alexus.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 22:23:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E909106566B for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:23:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward6.mail.yandex.net (forward6.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:202::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929BC8FC12 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:23:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp7.mail.yandex.net (smtp7.mail.yandex.net [77.88.61.55]) by forward6.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 7ECA8F817F0 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 02:23:43 +0400 (MSD) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1315779823; bh=kC+OVza4VZRayUgyCtwtKu3nLP1DyZBfX8enbGerqvg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=U5fy5ut2HI7TVWgfAtQZPM5EE/7jBVfFBNXtQvgJ9OAkjrGgtVRevVhVM2PoSOaWN gild+qKFTJbhfTkLGRmDbCw2wqVUa7ecxpra+yxzpoyJuT+IpwC5ZToWFFn3DErkgI gWaKtCtA1ULkWej7DDteSvDmWPil4sdCYGDvgDuw= Received: from smtp7.mail.yandex.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp7.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 6ACBA15803CC for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 02:23:43 +0400 (MSD) Received: from 46-185-28-188-mltp.broadband.kyivstar.net (46-185-28-188-mltp.broadband.kyivstar.net [46.185.28.188]) by smtp7.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id NgFqnmd6-NhFeUdPB; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 02:23:43 +0400 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 01:23:32 +0300 From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?windows-1251?B?188gyu7t/Oru4iwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <955223604.20110912012332@yandex.ru> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: How to check where space is LOST X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:23:45 -0000 Hi. I notice that some times /var is overfull # df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad1s1a 496M 239M 217M 52% / devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev /dev/ad1s1e 124M 40K 114M 0% /tmp /dev/ad1s1f 1.8G 1.1G 596M 65% /usr /dev/ad1s1d 989M 349M 561M 38% /var devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /var/named/dev # cd /var/ # du -h -d 1 2.0K ./.snap 2.0K ./account 6.0K ./at 2.0K ./audit 12K ./backups 4.0K ./crash 4.0K ./cron 2.0K ./empty 2.0K ./heimdal 79M ./log 19M ./mail 4.0K ./msgs 159K ./named 2.0K ./preserve 60K ./run 2.0K ./rwho 70K ./spool 14K ./tmp 24K ./yp 2.0K ./games 2.0K ./agentx 22K ./net-snmp 4.0K ./lost+found 98M . If I just #reboot system. I get that on /var is only 98M used. # df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad1s1a 496M 239M 217M 52% / devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev /dev/ad1s1e 124M 40K 114M 0% /tmp /dev/ad1s1f 1.8G 1.1G 596M 65% /usr /dev/ad1s1d 989M 98M 891M 12% /var devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /var/named/dev How to obtain what take space on /var -- , mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 22:28:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11CE31065672 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:28:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward10.mail.yandex.net (forward10.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:202::5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E138FC0C for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:28:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp8.mail.yandex.net (smtp8.mail.yandex.net [77.88.61.54]) by forward10.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id CCC6F1020B91; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 02:28:20 +0400 (MSD) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1315780100; bh=qYDxXRZroPY2YKMxqE4Jk94sa4fSJzAFPDgXpZ1tXaw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To: References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XMoagtn7LKYSvXEP9YvgvrZ3XSrpZQSFxq7OUvyEnhuRFaHkBJ78u+Z95RQ0i9VVZ FXYy2HmvLvuqnCPhCHN3ON7SkI+9RXMGhjwnaunE0qD7L0lsFHLjREzcGLDnXc85AN 7DGIxBccgd2RthQjZLIa+5YhLe/B5+VBzLB5Kim8= Received: from smtp8.mail.yandex.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp8.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id B7C1D1B603D3; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 02:28:20 +0400 (MSD) Received: from 46-185-28-188-mltp.broadband.kyivstar.net (46-185-28-188-mltp.broadband.kyivstar.net [46.185.28.188]) by smtp8.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id SKkWV6BJ-SKkeDs36; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 02:28:20 +0400 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 01:28:09 +0300 From: =?utf-8?B?0JrQvtC90YzQutC+0LIg0JXQstCz0LXQvdC40Lk=?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KfQnyDQmtC+0L3RjNC60L7QsiwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <108373957.20110912012809@yandex.ru> To: alexus In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: traffic shaping freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?utf-8?B?0JrQvtC90YzQutC+0LIg0JXQstCz0LXQvdC40Lk=?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:28:28 -0000 Здравствуйте, alexus. Вы писали 12 сентября 2011 г., 1:18:10: a> can someone provide a real (working) live example of traffic shaping with ipfw a> i just can't get mine to work no matter what... you can try this http://translate.google.com.ua/translate?hl=ru&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fkes.net.ua%2Fsoftdev%2Fadvanced_firewall.html -- С уважением, Коньков mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 22:29:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E9D1065673 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:29:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5438FC1E for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:29:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C69AAF4 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:29:00 -0400 From: Daniel Staal To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <7D6A3DAD2264365225EBAB1E@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: KVM switch with FreeBSD-8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:29:02 -0000 --As of September 11, 2011 9:03:17 AM -0400, Carmel is alleged to have said: > I am thinking of using a "TRENDnet 2-Port DVI USB KVM Switch Kit with > Audio TK-214i" with a FreeBSD-8.2 amd64 PC and a Windows 7 machine. I > presently have a Samsung 24" digital monitor and a Logitech S510 > cordless keyboard & mouse combination. The keyboard, mouse and monitor > presently work fine on FreeBSD. > > I am wondering if anyone has any personal experience with using KVM > switches with FreeBSD and what that experience might be. I would really > like to integrate these two PC into using just one common monitor, > etcetera mostly due to space considerations. --As for the rest, it is mine. In my experience, the OS isn't all that relevant. The main question is if the hardware works well together. Many KVMs don't do a great job of emulating a connection if the computer isn't the currently active one, and this can cause problems when something wants to see if a monitor is present (and wants to check what it's specs are), but that's not a FreeBSD problem per se: It's just a problem with the hardware. I'm sorry I don't have any good, cheap, KVM recommendations at this time. Enterprize-grade hardware usually doesn't have this problem (although it might), and I haven't needed to use a small KVM for a while. Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 22:38:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1CED106564A for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:38:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexus@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f45.google.com (mail-pz0-f45.google.com [209.85.210.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD37C8FC12 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:38:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33so20616345pzk.18 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:38:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VojH+o6t8cwBp2Tn/yDtWh8/tFA5PLVQ1xFSifXjmoY=; b=GPPYeFFWgCOaXD52LEpNiUD6yXF1o4MFvB6p8mPM0+OmurxIicM+h/2s7PioW7oWce laZTzX0HWUReggx1BkgfXjy4EifHmgrujLjUdS+uNZVEN74jOA6Hq/c+nGAP1d+sTM/+ WTtf/VSmniss0GpnMditAcXI2FdrU3uBg+sJQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.4.97 with SMTP id j1mr4632841pbj.50.1315780710951; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.164.7 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:38:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <108373957.20110912012809@yandex.ru> References: <108373957.20110912012809@yandex.ru> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:38:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: alexus To: =?UTF-8?B?0JrQvtC90YzQutC+0LIg0JXQstCz0LXQvdC40Lk=?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: traffic shaping freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:38:32 -0000 dGhhbmtzLCBidXQgZGlkIHUgYWN0dWFsbHkgdHJpZWQgaXQ/IGknZCBwcmVmZXIgYW4gZXhhbXBs ZSBmcm9tIGEgbGl2ZQpzeXN0ZW0gaWYgcG9zc2libGUKaXRzIGp1c3QgaXRzIG5vdCB3b3JraW5n IGZvciBtZSwgc28gbWF5YmUgaSdtIGRvaW5nIHNvbWV0aGluZyBvZmYsIHNvCnRoYXRzIHdoeSBp IHdhbnRlZCB0byBzZWUgYSB3b3JraW5nIGV4YW1wbGUgZnJvbSBzb21lb25lJ3Mgc3lzdGVtCgoy MDExLzkvMTEg0JrQvtC90YzQutC+0LIg0JXQstCz0LXQvdC40LkgPGtlcy1rZXNAeWFuZGV4LnJ1 PjoKPiDQl9C00YDQsNCy0YHRgtCy0YPQudGC0LUsIGFsZXh1cy4KPgo+INCS0Ysg0L/QuNGB0LDQ u9C4IDEyINGB0LXQvdGC0Y/QsdGA0Y8gMjAxMSDQsy4sIDE6MTg6MTA6Cj4KPiBhPiBjYW4gc29t ZW9uZSBwcm92aWRlIGEgcmVhbCAod29ya2luZykgbGl2ZSBleGFtcGxlIG9mIHRyYWZmaWMgc2hh cGluZyB3aXRoIGlwZncKPiBhPiBpIGp1c3QgY2FuJ3QgZ2V0IG1pbmUgdG8gd29yayBubyBtYXR0 ZXIgd2hhdC4uLgo+Cj4KPiB5b3UgY2FuIHRyeSB0aGlzCj4gaHR0cDovL3RyYW5zbGF0ZS5nb29n bGUuY29tLnVhL3RyYW5zbGF0ZT9obD1ydSZzbD1ydSZ0bD1lbiZ1PWh0dHAlM0ElMkYlMkZrZXMu bmV0LnVhJTJGc29mdGRldiUyRmFkdmFuY2VkX2ZpcmV3YWxsLmh0bWwKPgo+IC0tCj4g0KEg0YPQ stCw0LbQtdC90LjQtdC8LAo+IMKg0JrQvtC90YzQutC+0LIgwqAgwqAgwqAgwqAgwqAgwqAgwqAg wqAgwqAgwqAgwqAgwqAgwqBtYWlsdG86a2VzLWtlc0B5YW5kZXgucnUKPgo+CgoKCi0tIApodHRw Oi8vYWxleHVzLm9yZy8K From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 22:47:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F561106566B for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:47:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward17.mail.yandex.net (forward17.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1402::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFBEF8FC16 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:47:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp17.mail.yandex.net (smtp17.mail.yandex.net [95.108.252.17]) by forward17.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 23583106124E; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 02:47:39 +0400 (MSD) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1315781259; bh=FuKtAVRNQisWWF7AVZNSYoPi5Ez0K2tWAW3s2UipHhM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To: References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FVcmthyJfpU7s0qAZ92N8UxhuDP2MkzI6q86dZvcuToorTV8rz1kO0a9zNIt4oycG 0ADZqCj533rTHKIhucZzX09PqKEScLP85jLfASc7zqXxwI96C5hnsvvVJ+/UNc5+MC W36NLnS+wSP36u3io8G8t/A1/2s/Vd7QwbzNRdz8= Received: from smtp17.mail.yandex.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp17.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 0F24D1900142; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 02:47:39 +0400 (MSD) Received: from 46-185-28-188-mltp.broadband.kyivstar.net (46-185-28-188-mltp.broadband.kyivstar.net [46.185.28.188]) by smtp17.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id lcN8tNrb-lcNKPjTQ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 02:47:38 +0400 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 01:47:27 +0300 From: =?utf-8?B?0JrQvtC90YzQutC+0LIg0JXQstCz0LXQvdC40Lk=?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KfQnyDQmtC+0L3RjNC60L7QsiwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <576463782.20110912014727@yandex.ru> To: alexus In-Reply-To: References: <108373957.20110912012809@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: traffic shaping freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?utf-8?B?0JrQvtC90YzQutC+0LIg0JXQstCz0LXQvdC40Lk=?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:47:41 -0000 Здравствуйте, alexus. That is my article. I have wrote it when I configure my VPN server to shape home users. If questions - ask. Вы писали 12 сентября 2011 г., 1:38:30: a> thanks, but did u actually tried it? i'd prefer an example from a live a> system if possible a> its just its not working for me, so maybe i'm doing something off, so a> thats why i wanted to see a working example from someone's system a> 2011/9/11 Коньков Евгений : >> Здравствуйте, alexus. >> >> Вы писали 12 сентября 2011 г., 1:18:10: >> >> a> can someone provide a real (working) live example of traffic shaping with ipfw >> a> i just can't get mine to work no matter what... >> >> >> you can try this >> http://translate.google.com.ua/translate?hl=ru&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fkes.net.ua%2Fsoftdev%2Fadvanced_firewall.html >> >> -- >> С уважением, >>  Коньков                          mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru >> >> -- С уважением, Коньков mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 23:05:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44355106564A for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:05:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82D38FC0A for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:05:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxg9 with SMTP id 9so650898fxg.13 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:05:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RgahFUhS7Y1G16IlW01O/dr7zHdz/0hrorlMW2EOvs0=; b=jeX7XCySkuSM/IB4DiC0TYHpY6KZLW8mPx4zUdfrrAOom1UKPUqFt7iPNxbt7LHjHW T71EiXN1TOAzl+Naiw57G/mqymt4OOkxXygEJb25mpJQyFv24HpgP+/Uerf8tv/6q/Ml PLXPCt8sEIJpKi8Narz9mA9PPMuwnMEauz4v8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.62.212 with SMTP id y20mr364522fah.111.1315780433925; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.75.205 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:33:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <955223604.20110912012332@yandex.ru> References: <955223604.20110912012332@yandex.ru> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:33:53 -0400 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: =?KOI8-R?B?68/O2MvP1yDl18fFzsnK?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to check where space is LOST X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:05:03 -0000 2011/9/11 =EB=CF=CE=D8=CB=CF=D7 =E5=D7=C7=C5=CE=C9=CA : > Hi. > > I notice that some times /var is overfull > > # df -h > Filesystem =9A =9A Size =9A =9AUsed =9A Avail Capacity =9AMounted on > /dev/ad1s1a =9A =9A496M =9A =9A239M =9A =9A217M =9A =9A52% =9A =9A/ > devfs =9A =9A =9A =9A =9A1.0K =9A =9A1.0K =9A =9A =9A0B =9A 100% =9A =9A/= dev > /dev/ad1s1e =9A =9A124M =9A =9A 40K =9A =9A114M =9A =9A 0% =9A =9A/tmp > /dev/ad1s1f =9A =9A1.8G =9A =9A1.1G =9A =9A596M =9A =9A65% =9A =9A/usr > /dev/ad1s1d =9A =9A989M =9A =9A349M =9A =9A561M =9A =9A38% =9A =9A/var > devfs =9A =9A =9A =9A =9A1.0K =9A =9A1.0K =9A =9A =9A0B =9A 100% =9A =9A/= var/named/dev > > # cd /var/ > > # du -h -d 1 > 2.0K =9A =9A./.snap > 2.0K =9A =9A./account > 6.0K =9A =9A./at > 2.0K =9A =9A./audit > =9A12K =9A =9A./backups > 4.0K =9A =9A./crash > 4.0K =9A =9A./cron > 2.0K =9A =9A./empty > 2.0K =9A =9A./heimdal > =9A79M =9A =9A./log > =9A19M =9A =9A./mail > 4.0K =9A =9A./msgs > 159K =9A =9A./named > 2.0K =9A =9A./preserve > =9A60K =9A =9A./run > 2.0K =9A =9A./rwho > =9A70K =9A =9A./spool > =9A14K =9A =9A./tmp > =9A24K =9A =9A./yp > 2.0K =9A =9A./games > 2.0K =9A =9A./agentx > =9A22K =9A =9A./net-snmp > 4.0K =9A =9A./lost+found > =9A98M =9A =9A. > > If I just #reboot system. I get that on /var is only 98M used. > > # df -h > Filesystem =9A =9A Size =9A =9AUsed =9A Avail Capacity =9AMounted on > /dev/ad1s1a =9A =9A496M =9A =9A239M =9A =9A217M =9A =9A52% =9A =9A/ > devfs =9A =9A =9A =9A =9A1.0K =9A =9A1.0K =9A =9A =9A0B =9A 100% =9A =9A/= dev > /dev/ad1s1e =9A =9A124M =9A =9A 40K =9A =9A114M =9A =9A 0% =9A =9A/tmp > /dev/ad1s1f =9A =9A1.8G =9A =9A1.1G =9A =9A596M =9A =9A65% =9A =9A/usr > /dev/ad1s1d =9A =9A989M =9A =9A 98M =9A =9A891M =9A =9A12% =9A =9A/var > devfs =9A =9A =9A =9A =9A1.0K =9A =9A1.0K =9A =9A =9A0B =9A 100% =9A =9A/= var/named/dev > > How to obtain what take space on /var > You probably have a process that is holding a file open that has been rotated or deleted. Probably a log file. sysutils/lsof can help. Also, once you track down which process is holding open files, you should try to find out why (/etc/syslog.conf is a suspect, obviously). --=20 -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 23:06:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 940DB106566B for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:06:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349228FC08 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyh15 with SMTP id 15so3741444wyh.13 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:06:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.189.31 with SMTP id b31mr1411424wen.38.1315782381319; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.156.140 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:06:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <108373957.20110912012809@yandex.ru> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:06:21 -0700 Message-ID: From: Michael Sierchio To: alexus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: =?KOI8-R?B?68/O2MvP1yDl18fFzsnK?= , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: traffic shaping freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:06:24 -0000 On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 3:38 PM, alexus wrote: > thanks, but did u actually tried it? If what you're asking is, "does traffic shaping work?" the answer is yes. There are some provisos - you must create an outbound pipe and an inbound pipe that accurately reflect the observed network performance (not what your ISP told you). This is because when you create queues of different weights, the weights are only imposed when one or more queues are full. See http://info.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/dummynet/ The place to start is to find out what kind of upload and download throughput you get, then create pipes that are 95% of those observed values (one up, one down), then instantiate queues with different weights on each pipe, then create rules that match packets according to which pipe they should go in. Also consider that the sysctl variable, net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass, might need to be 0 and not 1, depending on whether queued packets need further processing. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 23:07:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2F9106566B for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:07:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsdlisten@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639E98FC0A for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:07:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxg9 with SMTP id 9so652359fxg.13 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:07:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :user-agent:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=cBX8b2rYrruaeoChyWZh1pVVShM1y9Ow9MWmSr6uXm0=; b=VKKbwJLpRbdjaZEYEiQzA0q/jYtz01MEFssyEqYO0BY3tgEB8ArHPFYBFqT8Ccj4rp joD/6Wu8FdCIfhQY5xMP36GgCWzbit9X+Ccxo8f3ippi0egPgakmCwVoDRfeKl/8Lq/T yPHjXEHSKG4bQH12uixJfeug6pXHjQSXaIn1w= Received: by 10.223.5.139 with SMTP id 11mr831572fav.138.1315782455555; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from debiand1.localdom.ain ([89.47.83.116]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c12sm7681625fad.14.2011.09.11.16.07.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 02:07:44 +0300 From: Rares Aioanei To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110912020744.4dd9c57f@debiand1.localdom.ain> In-Reply-To: <955223604.20110912012332@yandex.ru> References: <955223604.20110912012332@yandex.ru> User-Agent: my user agent X-Mailer: my x-mailer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: =?UTF-8?B?0JrQvtC90YzQutC+0LIg0JXQstCz0LXQvdC40Lk=?= Subject: Re: How to check where space is LOST X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:07:38 -0000 On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 01:23:32 +0300 =D0=9A=D0=BE=D0=BD=D1=8C=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=B2 =D0=95=D0=B2=D0=B3=D0=B5=D0=BD= =D0=B8=D0=B9 wrote: > Hi. >=20 > I notice that some times /var is overfull >=20 > # df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/ad1s1a 496M 239M 217M 52% / > devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev > /dev/ad1s1e 124M 40K 114M 0% /tmp > /dev/ad1s1f 1.8G 1.1G 596M 65% /usr > /dev/ad1s1d 989M 349M 561M 38% /var > devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /var/named/dev >=20 > # cd /var/ >=20 > # du -h -d 1 > 2.0K ./.snap > 2.0K ./account > 6.0K ./at > 2.0K ./audit > 12K ./backups > 4.0K ./crash > 4.0K ./cron > 2.0K ./empty > 2.0K ./heimdal > 79M ./log > 19M ./mail > 4.0K ./msgs > 159K ./named > 2.0K ./preserve > 60K ./run > 2.0K ./rwho > 70K ./spool > 14K ./tmp > 24K ./yp > 2.0K ./games > 2.0K ./agentx > 22K ./net-snmp > 4.0K ./lost+found > 98M . >=20 > If I just #reboot system. I get that on /var is only 98M used. >=20 > # df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/ad1s1a 496M 239M 217M 52% / > devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev > /dev/ad1s1e 124M 40K 114M 0% /tmp > /dev/ad1s1f 1.8G 1.1G 596M 65% /usr > /dev/ad1s1d 989M 98M 891M 12% /var > devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /var/named/dev >=20 > How to obtain what take space on /var >=20 > --=20 > =D0=A1 =D1=83=D0=B2=D0=B0=D0=B6=D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=B5=D0=BC, > =D0=9A=D0=BE=D0=BD=D1=8C=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=B2 mail= to:kes-kes@yandex.ru >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" http://www.freebsddiary.org/file-system-full.php It really depends IMHO what you use your computer for (server ore workstati= on...). I'd bet on /var/tmp somehow . --=20 Rares Aioanei From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 23:24:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A4D106564A for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:24:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98768FC13 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-14-151.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.14.151]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D39EA1E211; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 01:24:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p8BNOZS0066115; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 01:24:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 01:24:35 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Adam Vande More Message-Id: <20110912012435.9d4c76bf.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: KVM switch with FreeBSD-8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:24:39 -0000 On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 11:20:19 -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Carmel wrote: > > > I am wondering if anyone has any personal experience with using KVM > > switches with FreeBSD and what that experience might be. I would really > > like to integrate these two PC into using just one common monitor, > > etcetera mostly due to space considerations. > > > > My experience with this is limited, but good. It's been sometime since I've > used this setup, but I recall the FreeBSD was actually PCBSD and for it to > work correctly I have to have them KVM switched to it when X was starting. I have ben using a similar approach in the past, but in order to get rid of the requirement "when X is started, console must be attached" I had hardcoded the neccessary screen settings in xorg.conf so X would start even if nothing would have been connected. Sadly I can't remember the particular model that I had, but it had buttons to select one of the 8 "console channels" on its front. I found this was better than using something that required some weird keyboard shortcut as those are traditionally handled by the OS or by X. A LED indicator next to the buttons on the device's front indicated which system the console was connected to and if the system was online. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 23:43:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06621065673 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:43:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B118FC0C for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:43:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-14-151.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.14.151]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2D21E227; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 01:43:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p8BNhtEm072703; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 01:43:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 01:43:55 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Message-Id: <20110912014355.19f3efa6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20076.56940.849206.283586@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Daniel Feenberg , FreeBSD Subject: Re: KVM switch with FreeBSD-8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:43:58 -0000 On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:10:48 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > On Sun, 11 Sep 2011, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > > > If you are asking, "Is there a FreeBSD command to cause the KVM switch to > > move to the next system?" then the answer is "I don't know and it would amaze > > me if there were." > > There's often a key sequence to advance to the next port or a specific > port. That can _sometimes_ be a problem when the KVM switch doesn't properly detect this sequence - or maybe the user has already defined that sequence for some action in X, so X "catches" the sequence and acts properly. My preferred solution was to get a switch that was _fully_ independent from keyboard in regards of its main functionality, i. e. switching. Another advantage of that particular one was that you could DIRECTLY switch from system #1 to system #8 without visiting systems #2, #3, #4, #5, #6 and #7, :-) > > If the question is "Does the switch care what the OS is?" then the answer is, > > you can press the physical button on the switch to change the system > > connected. The OS doesn't know it doesn't have the screen and keyboard, and > > is in no way affected by the KVM switch, just as the KVM doesn't know or care > > what the OS is. > > Well... there's monitor detection by the video card. That can cause > problems. I'm not sure in how far this sill applies to "modern" hardware. Absence of a video card vs. present video card with no monitor attached _could_ prevent a system from booting. The next step, starting X which obtains display information by querying the monitor ("through" the card), can easily be dealt with by putting the proper settings into xorg.conf. This will make X start even if no monitor is attached to the card. > Also, going through the KVM can reduce video quality with VGA > and high resolutions. I've seen that with some cheap cabling on analog VGA. However, when using DVI this problem should not be present, and it's "common practice" today to use DVI to attach digital displays (means: flatscreens). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 11 23:54:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDFDD1065674 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:54:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexus@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f45.google.com (mail-pz0-f45.google.com [209.85.210.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C572D8FC14 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:54:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33so20844394pzk.18 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:54:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=X8RZNaYa1XjriLYFWN2WukVNf4rZd/qXoGvYSFoTUtI=; b=oAoaEcN+coKYfCvV5iJS+/tiQMyO3cQNeql6QG+2WIdCM1Hb27H21kXhPq/VJjh/38 xWrdrVUlocqASWpi6O2A3TLy5UGg3oWr9d9ZM0GEEj8q+/SPmKN7zh9yDFQSCKqccUvW rO/zLEnpuLso3cSpjXc4dbe0td7KX71b/MWKM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.41.5 with SMTP id b5mr236177pbl.184.1315785269167; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.164.7 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:54:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <108373957.20110912012809@yandex.ru> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 19:54:29 -0400 Message-ID: From: alexus To: Michael Sierchio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: =?UTF-8?B?0JrQvtC90YzQutC+0LIg0JXQstCz0LXQvdC40Lk=?= , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: traffic shaping freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:54:30 -0000 su-4.2# grep pipe /etc/ipfw.rules pipe flush pipe 1 config bw 1Mbit/s mask dst-port www pipe 2 config bw 1Mbit/s mask src-port www pipe 3 config bw 1Mbit/s mask dst-port 3128 add 3128 pipe 3 tcp from any to any src-port 3128 uid root add 8381 pipe 1 tcp from any to any dst-port www uid daemon add 8382 pipe 2 tcp from any to any src-port www uid daemon su-4.2# su-4.2# ipfw show | grep -E 'pipe 1|pipe 2' && ipfw pipe show 1 ; ipfw pipe show 2 08381 11190 815447 pipe 1 tcp from any to any dst-port 80 uid daemon 08382 14394 16926849 pipe 2 tcp from any 80 to any uid daemon 00001: 1.000 Mbit/s 0 ms 50 sl. 1 queues (1 buckets) droptail mask: 0x00 0x00000000/0x0000 -> 0x00000000/0x0000 BKT Prot ___Source IP/port____ ____Dest. IP/port____ Tot_pkt/bytes Pkt/Byte= Drp 0 tcp 64.237.55.83/64730 69.10.58.25/80 11190 815447 0 0= 0 00002: 1.000 Mbit/s 0 ms 50 sl. 1 queues (1 buckets) droptail mask: 0x00 0x00000000/0x0000 -> 0x00000000/0x0000 BKT Prot ___Source IP/port____ ____Dest. IP/port____ Tot_pkt/bytes Pkt/Byte= Drp 0 tcp 69.10.58.25/80 64.237.55.83/64730 14394 16926849 0 0= 10 su-4.2# ipfw show | grep -E 'pipe 1|pipe 2' && ipfw pipe show 1 ; ipfw pipe show 2 08381 11218 817225 pipe 1 tcp from any to any dst-port 80 uid daemon 08382 14434 16979213 pipe 2 tcp from any 80 to any uid daemon 00001: 1.000 Mbit/s 0 ms 50 sl. 1 queues (1 buckets) droptail mask: 0x00 0x00000000/0x0000 -> 0x00000000/0x0000 BKT Prot ___Source IP/port____ ____Dest. IP/port____ Tot_pkt/bytes Pkt/Byte= Drp 0 tcp 64.237.55.83/64730 69.10.58.25/80 11218 817225 0 0= 0 00002: 1.000 Mbit/s 0 ms 50 sl. 1 queues (1 buckets) droptail mask: 0x00 0x00000000/0x0000 -> 0x00000000/0x0000 BKT Prot ___Source IP/port____ ____Dest. IP/port____ Tot_pkt/bytes Pkt/Byte= Drp 0 tcp 69.10.58.25/80 64.237.55.83/64730 14434 16979213 0 0= 10 su-4.2# as you see ipfw rules matches as count is increasing, yet pipe i'm not seeing any difference at all, its like it matched first time and that's it... yet pipe shows different output su-4.2# ipfw show | grep 'pipe 3' && ipfw pipe show 3 03128 37483 71276160 pipe 3 tcp from any 3128 to any uid root 00003: 1.000 Mbit/s 0 ms 50 sl. 4 queues (64 buckets) droptail mask: 0x00 0x00000000/0x0000 -> 0x00000000/0x0c38 BKT Prot ___Source IP/port____ ____Dest. IP/port____ Tot_pkt/bytes Pkt/Byte= Drp 0 ip 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/1056 16 2383 0 0 = 0 16 ip 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/1032 8 9398 0 0 = 0 32 ip 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/2096 41 43167 0 0 = 0 48 ip 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/56 2 7074 0 0 = 0 su-4.2# !! ipfw show | grep 'pipe 3' && ipfw pipe show 3 03128 39285 74616912 pipe 3 tcp from any 3128 to any uid root 00003: 1.000 Mbit/s 0 ms 50 sl. 4 queues (64 buckets) droptail mask: 0x00 0x00000000/0x0000 -> 0x00000000/0x0c38 BKT Prot ___Source IP/port____ ____Dest. IP/port____ Tot_pkt/bytes Pkt/Byte= Drp 0 ip 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/1056 19 20651 0 0 = 0 16 ip 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/1064 36 41781 0 0 = 0 32 ip 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/1072 43 53920 0 0 = 0 48 ip 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/2104 3 595 0 0 = 0 su-4.2# why is it seeing source ip/port as 0/0 and dest 0/? i dont understand that at all On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Michael Sierchio wrot= e: > On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 3:38 PM, alexus wrote: >> thanks, but did u actually tried it? > > If what you're asking is, "does traffic shaping work?" =C2=A0the answer i= s > yes. =C2=A0There are some provisos - you must create an outbound pipe and > an inbound pipe that accurately reflect the observed network > performance (not what your ISP told you). =C2=A0This is because when you > create queues of different weights, the weights are only imposed when > one or more queues are full. > > See http://info.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/dummynet/ > > The place to start is to find out what kind of upload and download > throughput you get, then create pipes that are 95% of those observed > values (one up, one down), then instantiate queues with different > weights on each pipe, then create rules that match packets according > to which pipe they should go in. =C2=A0Also consider that the sysctl > variable, net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass, might need to be 0 and not 1, > depending on whether queued packets need further processing. > --=20 http://alexus.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 12 00:32:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E22D31065672 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 00:32:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774538FC18 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 00:32:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxg9 with SMTP id 9so695678fxg.13 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:32:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=FrH5fPbQabuVEh66Rp1dnelcIqo3gWPK5mFTzplXmxo=; b=lboahXJTM5wgoGB6iMQp7kYNKUbuw4ltlHr019jE8sk/8QDcy81Ci+hHC6K4zmYnOr X/2SJMh7IcC7N/wwPbECBCmy7PxkZxP+qHc6BnHFaPyv+apToETvN6L+ThnVEhRvDvwP 8RFoWE8ZCXcvfgE75HVmeO7dJerYiWufvJ7VI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.14.133 with SMTP id g5mr3970066faa.69.1315787526329; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.119.196 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:32:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <955223604.20110912012332@yandex.ru> References: <955223604.20110912012332@yandex.ru> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 19:32:06 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: =?KOI8-R?B?68/O2MvP1yDl18fFzsnK?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to check where space is LOST X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 00:32:08 -0000 2011/9/11 =EB=CF=CE=D8=CB=CF=D7 =E5=D7=C7=C5=CE=C9=CA > If I just #reboot system. I get that on /var is only 98M used. > > # df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/ad1s1a 496M 239M 217M 52% / > devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev > /dev/ad1s1e 124M 40K 114M 0% /tmp > /dev/ad1s1f 1.8G 1.1G 596M 65% /usr > /dev/ad1s1d 989M 98M 891M 12% /var > devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /var/named/dev > > How to obtain what take space on /var > fstat -f /var --=20 Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 12 01:16:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB2D106566C for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 01:16:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8AC8FC13 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 01:16:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwe3 with SMTP id 3so1430230wwe.31 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:16:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.191.222 with SMTP id g72mr1441769wen.23.1315790215719; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.156.140 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:16:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <108373957.20110912012809@yandex.ru> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:16:55 -0700 Message-ID: From: Michael Sierchio To: alexus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: =?KOI8-R?B?68/O2MvP1yDl18fFzsnK?= , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: traffic shaping freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 01:16:57 -0000 You don't seem to have any rules that match packets. This won't work. On Sunday, September 11, 2011, alexus wrote: > su-4.2# grep pipe /etc/ipfw.rules > pipe flush > pipe 1 config bw 1Mbit/s mask dst-port www > pipe 2 config bw 1Mbit/s mask src-port www > pipe 3 config bw 1Mbit/s mask dst-port 3128 > add 3128 pipe 3 tcp from any to any src-port 3128 uid root > add 8381 pipe 1 tcp from any to any dst-port www uid daemon > add 8382 pipe 2 tcp from any to any src-port www uid daemon > su-4.2# > > > su-4.2# ipfw show | grep -E 'pipe 1|pipe 2' && ipfw pipe show 1 ; ipfw > pipe show 2 > 08381 11190 815447 pipe 1 tcp from any to any dst-port 80 uid daemon > 08382 14394 16926849 pipe 2 tcp from any 80 to any uid daemon > 00001: 1.000 Mbit/s 0 ms 50 sl. 1 queues (1 buckets) droptail > mask: 0x00 0x00000000/0x0000 -> 0x00000000/0x0000 > BKT Prot ___Source IP/port____ ____Dest. IP/port____ Tot_pkt/bytes Pkt/Byte Drp > 0 tcp 64.237.55.83/64730 69.10.58.25/80 11190 815447 0 0 0 > 00002: 1.000 Mbit/s 0 ms 50 sl. 1 queues (1 buckets) droptail > mask: 0x00 0x00000000/0x0000 -> 0x00000000/0x0000 > BKT Prot ___Source IP/port____ ____Dest. IP/port____ Tot_pkt/bytes Pkt/Byte Drp > 0 tcp 69.10.58.25/80 64.237.55.83/64730 14394 16926849 0 0 10 > su-4.2# ipfw show | grep -E 'pipe 1|pipe 2' && ipfw pipe show 1 ; ipfw > pipe show 2 > 08381 11218 817225 pipe 1 tcp from any to any dst-port 80 uid daemon > 08382 14434 16979213 pipe 2 tcp from any 80 to any uid daemon > 00001: 1.000 Mbit/s 0 ms 50 sl. 1 queues (1 buckets) droptail > mask: 0x00 0x00000000/0x0000 -> 0x00000000/0x0000 > BKT Prot ___Source IP/port____ ____Dest. IP/port____ Tot_pkt/bytes Pkt/Byte Drp > 0 tcp 64.237.55.83/64730 69.10.58.25/80 11218 817225 0 0 0 > 00002: 1.000 Mbit/s 0 ms 50 sl. 1 queues (1 buckets) droptail > mask: 0x00 0x00000000/0x0000 -> 0x00000000/0x0000 > BKT Prot ___Source IP/port____ ____Dest. IP/port____ Tot_pkt/bytes Pkt/Byte Drp > 0 tcp 69.10.58.25/80 64.237.55.83/64730 14434 16979213 0 0 10 > su-4.2# > > as you see ipfw rules matches as count is increasing, yet pipe i'm not > seeing any difference at all, its like it matched first time and > that's it... > > yet pipe shows different output > > su-4.2# ipfw show | grep 'pipe 3' && ipfw pipe show 3 > 03128 37483 71276160 pipe 3 tcp from any 3128 to any uid root > 00003: 1.000 Mbit/s 0 ms 50 sl. 4 queues (64 buckets) droptail > mask: 0x00 0x00000000/0x0000 -> 0x00000000/0x0c38 > BKT Prot ___Source IP/port____ ____Dest. IP/port____ Tot_pkt/bytes Pkt/Byte Drp > 0 ip 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/1056 16 2383 0 0 0 > 16 ip 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/1032 8 9398 0 0 0 > 32 ip 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/2096 41 43167 0 0 0 > 48 ip 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/56 2 7074 0 0 0 > su-4.2# !! > ipfw show | grep 'pipe 3' && ipfw pipe show 3 > 03128 39285 74616912 pipe 3 tcp from any 3128 to any uid root > 00003: 1.000 Mbit/s 0 ms 50 sl. 4 queues (64 buckets) droptail > mask: 0x00 0x00000000/0x0000 -> 0x00000000/0x0c38 > BKT Prot ___Source IP/port____ ____Dest. IP/port____ Tot_pkt/bytes Pkt/Byte Drp > 0 ip 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/1056 19 20651 0 0 0 > 16 ip 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/1064 36 41781 0 0 0 > 32 ip 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/1072 43 53920 0 0 0 > 48 ip 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/2104 3 595 0 0 0 > su-4.2# > > why is it seeing source ip/port as 0/0 and dest 0/? i dont understand > that at all > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Michael Sierchio wrote: >> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 3:38 PM, alexus wrote: >>> thanks, but did u actually tried it? >> >> If what you're asking is, "does traffic shaping work?" the answer is >> yes. There are some provisos - you must create an outbound pipe and >> an inbound pipe that accurately reflect the observed network >> performance (not what your ISP told you). This is because when you >> create queues of different weights, the weights are only imposed when >> one or more queues are full. >> >> See http://info.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/dummynet/ >> >> The place to start is to find out what kind of upload and download >> throughput you get, then create pipes that are 95% of those observed >> values (one up, one down), then instantiate queues with different >> weights on each pipe, then create rules that match packets according >> to which pipe they should go in. Also consider that the sysctl >> variable, net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass, might need to be 0 and not 1, >> depending on whether queued packets need further processing. >> > > > > -- > http://alexus.org/ > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 12 01:19:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C91106566B for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 01:19:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3AC48FC0C for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 01:19:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyh15 with SMTP id 15so3816623wyh.13 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:19:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.220.218 with SMTP id o68mr1785052wep.53.1315790350435; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.156.140 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:19:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <108373957.20110912012809@yandex.ru> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:19:10 -0700 Message-ID: From: Michael Sierchio To: alexus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: =?KOI8-R?B?68/O2MvP1yDl18fFzsnK?= , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: traffic shaping freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 01:19:12 -0000 amending my remark... UID matching is problematic. Why are you trying to classify packets based on that? On Sunday, September 11, 2011, Michael Sierchio wrote: > You don't seem to have any rules that match packets. This won't work. > > On Sunday, September 11, 2011, alexus wrote: >> su-4.2# grep pipe /etc/ipfw.rules >> pipe flush >> pipe 1 config bw 1Mbit/s mask dst-port www >> pipe 2 config bw 1Mbit/s mask src-port www >> pipe 3 config bw 1Mbit/s mask dst-port 3128 >> add 3128 pipe 3 tcp from any to any src-port 3128 uid root >> add 8381 pipe 1 tcp from any to any dst-port www uid daemon >> add 8382 pipe 2 tcp from any to any src-port www uid daemon >> su-4.2# >> >> >> su-4.2# ipfw show | grep -E 'pipe 1|pipe 2' && ipfw pipe show 1 ; ipfw >> pipe show 2 >> 08381 11190 815447 pipe 1 tcp from any to any dst-port 80 uid daemon >> 08382 14394 16926849 pipe 2 tcp from any 80 to any uid daemon >> 00001: 1.000 Mbit/s 0 ms 50 sl. 1 queues (1 buckets) droptail >> mask: 0x00 0x00000000/0x0000 -> 0x00000000/0x0000 >> BKT Prot ___Source IP/port____ ____Dest. IP/port____ Tot_pkt/bytes Pkt/Byte Drp >> 0 tcp 64.237.55.83/64730 69.10.58.25/80 11190 815447 0 0 0 >> 00002: 1.000 Mbit/s 0 ms 50 sl. 1 queues (1 buckets) droptail >> mask: 0x00 0x00000000/0x0000 -> 0x00000000/0x0000 >> BKT Prot ___Source IP/port____ ____Dest. IP/port____ Tot_pkt/bytes Pkt/Byte Drp >> 0 tcp 69.10.58.25/80 64.237.55.83/64730 14394 16926849 0 0 10 >> su-4.2# ipfw show | grep -E 'pipe 1|pipe 2' && ipfw pipe show 1 ; ipfw >> pipe show 2 >> 08381 11218 817225 pipe 1 tcp from any to any dst-port 80 uid daemon >> 08382 14434 16979213 pipe 2 tcp from any 80 to any uid daemon >> 00001: 1.000 Mbit/s 0 ms 50 sl. 1 queues (1 buckets) droptail >> mask: 0x00 0x00000000/0x0000 -> 0x00000000/0x0000 >> BKT Prot ___Source IP/port____ ____Dest. IP/port____ Tot_pkt/bytes Pkt/Byte Drp >> 0 tcp 64.237.55.83/64730 69.10.58.25/80 11218 817225 0 0 0 >> 00002: 1.000 Mbit/s 0 ms 50 sl. 1 queues (1 buckets) droptail >> mask: 0x00 0x00000000/0x0000 -> 0x00000000/0x0000 >> BKT Prot ___Source IP/port____ ____Dest. IP/port____ Tot_pkt/bytes Pkt/Byte Drp >> 0 tcp 69.10.58.25/80 64.237.55.83/64730 14434 16979213 0 0 10 >> su-4.2# >> >> as you see ipfw rules matches as count is increasing, yet pipe i'm not >> seeing any difference at all, its like it matched first time and >> that's it... >> >> yet pipe shows different output >> >> su-4.2# ipfw show | grep 'pipe 3' && ipfw pipe show 3 >> 03128 37483 71276160 pipe 3 tcp from any 3128 to any uid root >> 00003: 1.000 Mbit/s 0 ms 50 sl. 4 queues (64 buckets) droptail >> mask: 0x00 0x00000000/0x0000 -> 0x00000000/0x0c38 >> BKT Prot ___Source IP/port____ ____Dest. IP/port____ Tot_pkt/bytes Pkt/Byte Drp >> 0 ip 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/1056 16 2383 0 0 0 >> 16 ip 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/1032 8 9398 0 0 0 >> 32 ip 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/2096 41 43167 0 0 0 >> 48 ip 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/56 2 7074 0 0 0 >> su-4.2# !! >> ipfw show | grep 'pipe 3' && ipfw pipe show 3 >> 03128 39285 74616912 pipe 3 tcp from any 3128 to any uid root >> 00003: 1.000 Mbit/s 0 ms 50 sl. 4 queues (64 buckets) droptail >> mask: 0x00 0x00000000/0x0000 -> 0x00000000/0x0c38 >> BKT Prot ___Source IP/port____ ____Dest. IP/port____ Tot_pkt/bytes Pkt/Byte Drp >> 0 ip 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/1056 19 20651 0 0 0 >> 16 ip 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/1064 36 41781 0 0 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 12 05:58:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12EF0106566C for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:58:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D7D48FC0A for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:57:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.93.1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (account sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.125.240] verified) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.13) with ESMTPSA id 20335126 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:57:57 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p8C5vu7q079291 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:57:56 +0700 (OMSST) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id p8C5vu1f079290 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:57:56 +0700 (OMSST) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:57:56 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110912055755.GA79151@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mail-Followup-To: Victor Sudakov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110909062121.GA28440@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.livejournal.com/pubkey.bml?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 Subject: Re: Need an audio multicasting solution X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:58:01 -0000 Alejandro Imass wrote: > > > > I need a solution to read sound from a soundcard (/dev/dsp) and > > multicast it into the network, for the multicast audio stream to be > > played on FreeBSD, Linux and Windows workstations. No sophisticated > > codecs needed, plain PCM would do. > > > > Can you advise something? I know that in theory there are many ways to > > implement this, but I am especially interested in personal first-hand > > experience, success stories or good white papers. Please no > > lmgtfu-type replies. Thanks very much in advance. > > > > I doubt people in this list are the lmgtfu type! > > I use Icecast on FBSD and it works great. A quick look at Icecast showed that it does not support multicast either. It this true? If so, Icecast is completely useless for my scenario. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 12 06:37:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44244106566C for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 06:37:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9CD8FC08 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 06:37:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxg9 with SMTP id 9so968328fxg.13 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:37:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ujMETFjR0xITHd9iee2ttpeVROv2NTnM7S/EgQ7e4K4=; b=j1C++zMbCAV2/gzDEiD24d4rZP7WSm1Mx2HsHdNepNrkP1MVQ2hKzLWNkPV4ucs+1j MGAWfCMx73m2fvihO9ovTIDiiE/e2nzf+l/m//K5EDjQzmfg+/FnC+xzO1Kl7t3+o7Hu 44xmvytj5C/RI6ZGjS/x0zEySytfSgM+RAyd4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.26.20 with SMTP id b20mr1708993fac.50.1315809459243; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.119.196 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:37:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1395681231.20110912084617@yandex.ru> References: <955223604.20110912012332@yandex.ru> <1395681231.20110912084617@yandex.ru> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 01:37:39 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: =?KOI8-R?B?68/O2MvP1yDl18fFzsnK?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re[2]: How to check where space is LOST X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 06:37:43 -0000 2011/9/12 =EB=CF=CE=D8=CB=CF=D7 =E5=D7=C7=C5=CE=C9=CA > ** > > # fstat -f /var > > USER CMD PID FD MOUNT INUM MODE SZ|DV R/W > > clamav clamd 19682 3 /var 47113 -rw-r----- 767747 w > > clamav smtp-gated 9428 wd /var 23569 drwxr-xr-x 512 r > > >>> root snmpd 8948 3 /var 47171 -rw------- 282447082 = w > > That is FD #3, how to find what file is that? > find /var -inum 47171 -ls --=20 Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 12 08:07:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE5A106564A for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 08:07:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from i.tanusheff@procreditbank.bg) Received: from mailgate.procreditbank.bg (mailgate.procreditbank.bg [193.26.216.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A1898FC14 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 08:07:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 18628 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2011 10:40:48 +0300 Received: from unknown (HELO domino-archive.procreditbank.bg) (10.0.0.60) by 192.168.1.3 with SMTP; 12 Sep 2011 10:40:48 +0300 Received: from domino.procreditbank.bg ([10.0.0.15]) by domino-archive.procreditbank.bg (Lotus Domino Release 8.5.1FP5) with ESMTP id 2011091210404766-4951 ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:40:47 +0300 In-Reply-To: <4E6A0C1F.7090505@visi.com> References: <4E6A0C1F.7090505@visi.com> X-Disclaimed: 1182 To: Paul Keusemann MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KeepSent: E9735D29:0DDC3FE1-C2257909:002A15B6; type=4; flags=0; name=$KeepSent X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 8.5.1 September 28, 2009 From: Ivailo Tanusheff Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:40:47 +0300 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DOMINO/BULGARIA/PROCREDITBANK(Release 8.5.1FP5|September 29, 2010) at 09/12/2011 10:40:48 AM, Serialize complete at 09/12/2011 10:40:48 AM, Itemize by SMTP Server on DOMINO-ARCHIVE/BULGARIA/PROCREDITBANK(Release 8.5.1FP5|September 29, 2010) at 09/12/2011 10:40:47 AM, Serialize by Router on DOMINO-ARCHIVE/BULGARIA/PROCREDITBANK(Release 8.5.1FP5|September 29, 2010) at 09/12/2011 10:40:47 AM, Serialize complete at 09/12/2011 10:40:47 AM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can't log in as toor since package update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 08:07:31 -0000 I don't really believe that toor user should be used like that - check the handbook for example. You better use normal user or the root itself. In 8.x the described is a normal behaviour. Regards, Ivailo Tanusheff Paul Keusemann Sent by: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org 09.09.2011 16:14 To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc Subject Can't log in as toor since package update I use the toor login on my FreeBSD systems to log in with the korn shell. Since August 22, When I try to log in as toor or even when I try to "su - toor", I get logged in as root. For example: ushers# ssh -l toor woodstock Password: Last login: Fri Sep 9 06:30:23 2011 from 172.16.175.216 Copyright (c) 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE-p1 (WOODSTOCK) #1: Mon Jul 11 09:05:07 CDT 2011 woodstock# who am i root 0 Sep 9 07:46 woodstock# su - toor woodstock# who am i root 0 Sep 9 07:47 Unfortunately, I haven't tried to log in since a package update I did around August 22, so I didn't notice this problem until now. Does anybody have any idea what might be causing this? -- Paul Keusemann pkeusem@visi.com 4266 Joppa Court (952) 894-7805 Savage, MN 55378 _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Disclaimer: The information contained in this message is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and to others authorised to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. It you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or taking any action based on the contents of this message is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by responding to this e-mail and then delete it from your system. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 12 11:20:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A5310657C0 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:20:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pkeusem@visi.com) Received: from g2host.com (mailfront3.g2host.com [208.42.184.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5638FC13 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:20:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [173.30.51.17] (account pkeusem@visi.com HELO [172.16.175.217]) by mailfront3.g2host.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with ESMTPSA id 27876161 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 06:20:09 -0500 Message-ID: <4E6DEAE8.40509@visi.com> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 06:20:08 -0500 From: Paul Keusemann User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.9.2.20) Gecko/20110810 Thunderbird/3.1.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4E6A0C1F.7090505@visi.com> In-Reply-To: <4E6A0C1F.7090505@visi.com> X-Is-From-Me: yes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Can't log in as toor since package update -- solved X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:20:11 -0000 On 09/09/11 07:52, Paul Keusemann wrote: > I use the toor login on my FreeBSD systems to log in with the korn > shell. Since August 22, When I try to log in as toor or even when I > try to "su - toor", I get logged in as root. For example: > > ushers# ssh -l toor woodstock > > Password: > > Last login: Fri Sep 9 06:30:23 2011 from 172.16.175.216 > > Copyright (c) 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1994 > > The Regents of the University of California. All rights > reserved. > > FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE-p1 (WOODSTOCK) #1: Mon Jul 11 09:05:07 CDT 2011 > > woodstock# who am i > > root 0 Sep 9 07:46 > > woodstock# su - toor > > woodstock# who am i > > root 0 Sep 9 07:47 > > > Unfortunately, I haven't tried to log in since a package update I did > around August 22, so I didn't notice this problem until now. Does > anybody have any idea what might be causing this? > It turns out this was a bug introduced in version 272 of xterm which was one of the packages I updated. The maintainer was able to reproduce and fix the bug which will be in version 275 of xterm. -- Paul Keusemann pkeusem@visi.com 4266 Joppa Court (952) 894-7805 Savage, MN 55378 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 12 05:46:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B7C1065675 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:46:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward10.mail.yandex.net (forward10.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:202::5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD05B8FC15 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp9.mail.yandex.net (smtp9.mail.yandex.net [77.88.61.35]) by forward10.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 524AF1021352; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:46:19 +0400 (MSD) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1315806379; bh=MXsNEW8Eig/yuqad//l5lPzr4GxFI9oze9OO+QIOyRc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To: References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OdQgqS0fUV0AeFN5CFU7yiC7EQY15/z+PBuABM3PtkNuIsZLeXgFZy7gwL0vGZPjf xivU9exEimQ7sRHDG/ttMJsu66XBfZfPbVkASsbyVH1bND2cMD1+hrvddqnEGZPGLK COILxgKeUSNCbQPy55qCfQdcFdExXMTiAD8LBGF4= Received: from smtp9.mail.yandex.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp9.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 3C1EF15204C1; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:46:19 +0400 (MSD) Received: from 46-185-28-188-mltp.broadband.kyivstar.net (46-185-28-188-mltp.broadband.kyivstar.net [46.185.28.188]) by smtp9.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id kIAOHfmu-kIAOTLSf; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:46:19 +0400 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 08:46:17 +0300 From: =?koi8-r?B?68/O2MvP1yDl18fFzsnK?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?koi8-r?B?/vAg68/O2MvP1ywgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1395681231.20110912084617@yandex.ru> To: Adam Vande More In-Reply-To: References: <955223604.20110912012332@yandex.ru> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:23:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: How to check where space is LOST X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?koi8-r?B?68/O2MvP1yDl18fFzsnK?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:46:22 -0000 Zdravstvujte, Adam. Vy pisali 12 sentyabrya 2011 g., 3:32:06: > 2011/9/11 Kon'kov Evgenij <[1]kes-kes@yandex.ru> If I just #reboot system. I get that on /var is only 98M used. # df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad1s1a 496M 239M 217M 52% / devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev /dev/ad1s1e 124M 40K 114M 0% /tmp /dev/ad1s1f 1.8G 1.1G 596M 65% /usr /dev/ad1s1d 989M 98M 891M 12% /var devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /var/named/dev How to obtain what take space on /var fstat -f /var -- Adam Vande More # fstat -f /var USER CMD PID FD MOUNT INUM MODE SZ|DV R/W root cron 20455 wd /var 47105 drwxr-x--- 512 r root cron 20455 3 /var 94235 -rw------- 5 w smmsp sendmail 20432 wd /var 23564 drwxrwx--- 8192 r smmsp sendmail 20432 4 /var 23567 -rw------- 51 w root sendmail 20418 wd /var 23561 drwxr-xr-x 512 r root sendmail 20418 5 /var 94226 -rw------- 80 w clamav clamd 19682 3 /var 47113 -rw-r----- 767747 w clamav smtp-gated 9428 wd /var 23569 drwxr-xr-x 512 r >>> root snmpd 8948 3 /var 47171 -rw------- 282447082 w root snmpd 8948 8 /var 47187 -rw-r----- 728 r bind named 7738 root /var 70659 drwxr-xr-x 512 r bind named 7738 wd /var 70672 drwxr-xr-x 512 r bind named 7738 jail /var 70659 drwxr-xr-x 512 r root mpd5 3761 4 /var 94245 -rw-r--r-- 5 rw root syslogd 3742 3 /var 94231 -rw------- 4 w root syslogd 3742 13 /var 47122 -rw-r--r-- 182 w root syslogd 3742 14 /var 47131 -rw------- 99770 w root syslogd 3742 15 /var 47114 -rw------- 79173 w root syslogd 3742 16 /var 47136 -rw-r----- 360039 w root syslogd 3742 17 /var 47134 -rw-r--r-- 56 w root syslogd 3742 18 /var 47194 -rw------- 56 w root syslogd 3742 19 /var 47127 -rw------- 90695 w root syslogd 3742 20 /var 47128 -rw------- 99531 w root syslogd 3742 21 /var 47157 -rw-r----- 56 w root syslogd 3742 22 /var 47153 -rw------- 69165428 w root syslogd 3742 23 /var 47144 -rwxr-xr-x 10941641 w root devd 3683 5 /var 94230 -rw------- 4 w That is FD #3, how to find what file is that? -- S uvazheniem, Kon'kov [2]mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru References 1. mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru 2. mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 12 15:06:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8751065670 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:06:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from the.lists@mgm51.com) Received: from oneyou.mcmli.com (oneyou.mcmli.com [216.194.67.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B32758FC1D for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:06:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sentry.24cl.com (c-71-234-201-146.hsd1.ct.comcast.net [71.234.201.146]) by oneyou.mcmli.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7170E2843A for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BigBloat (unknown [10.23.90.4]) by sentry.24cl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F02942 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <201109121048000677.0050B4EE@sentry.24cl.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20076.56940.849206.283586@jerusalem.litteratus.org> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:48:00 -0400 From: "Mike." To: "FreeBSD" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: KVM switch with FreeBSD-8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:06:05 -0000 On 9/11/2011 at 2:28 PM Daniel Feenberg wrote: |The problem I have heard of relates to "what happens if the machine boots |with the KVM switched to another machine?" The KVM may need to pretend |there is a keyboard connected at that point. ============= I've used Avocent KVMs and this does not seem to be an issue with them. Currently I have a Avocent Switchview 100 PS/2 two-port sharing the console between FreeBSD 8.2 and OpenBSD 4.9 boxen. No issues regarding where the switch is pointing and which is booting. I do not use a GUI on either of those. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 12 15:40:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 339E0106564A for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:40:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from mwi1.coffeenet.org (unknown [IPv6:2607:f4e0:100:300::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F9E8FC13 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:40:48 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=In-Reply-To:Message-Id:From:Mime-Version:Date:References:Subject:To:Content-Type; bh=PHHXEsS07nNc8j/dxYWdL0rrcGVFcGZ927hrkT8jIxY=; b=IgAklN4q0MUXf09vmK137UNMAtNMyLApfKPDn1OXS2Ts+voIz/zcm1Svcse5FlCi8aWG1JUHcwfOisPu7VYe4xG8w0QF4ciOE6d2Ggp0uS7PdD1EV9WG4ejRLmiHcCLn; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by mwi1.coffeenet.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1R38cp-000LKM-An for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:40:48 -0500 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.3) with esmtpsa id 1315842041-11012-11011/4/6; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:40:41 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1315637534.28439.YahooMailNeo@web112002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:40:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Felder Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1315637534.28439.YahooMailNeo@web112002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.51 (FreeBSD) X-SA-Score: -1.0 Subject: Re: Mumble X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:40:49 -0000 On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 01:52:14 -0500, Mr. Darren wrote: > I am trying to install Mumble on a headless FreeBSD server which has no > need for X11. Why is this port trying to install X11? Seems like it > shouldn't be needed. > QT4. It's required for the server still. Sorry. There's a non-QT server but it's for the 1.1.x series, not the 1.2.x mumble version which is greatly improved. Regards, Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 12 17:46:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C33106566B for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:46:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5822E8FC14 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:46:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so2188558ewy.13 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:46:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.152.24 with SMTP id e24mr956339bkw.324.1315849560028; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.67.14 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:45:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.17.221] In-Reply-To: <20110912014355.19f3efa6.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20076.56940.849206.283586@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20110912014355.19f3efa6.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:45:59 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: KVM switch with FreeBSD-8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:46:01 -0000 On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:10:48 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: >> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011, Daniel Feenberg wrote: >> >> > If you are asking, "Is there a FreeBSD command to cause the KVM switch to >> > move to the next system?" then the answer is "I don't know and it would amaze >> > me if there were." >> >> There's often a key sequence to advance to the next port or a specific >> port. > > That can _sometimes_ be a problem when the KVM switch > doesn't properly detect this sequence - or maybe the > user has already defined that sequence for some action > in X, so X "catches" the sequence and acts properly. X "catching" the sequence won't stop the switch from reacting to it -- it's done in hardware in the switch. But of course X may do something undesirable if the switch passes the key combination through. The two most common ones are Ctrl, Alt, Shift (rapidly in sequence) followed by a port number, or Ctrl twice. The latter can be a little too easy to trigger accidentally. The USB switches generally emulate a generic USB keyboard and mouse, so drivers aren't a problem. Sometimes they work by simulating a USB disconnect from the machine they're switching to, though, so you need good keyboard and mouse hotplug support in the OS. Generally these switches don't react well to having anything but a keyboard in the keyboard port and a mouse in the mouse port. If you have a hub built into your keyboard the hub will be useless when you're using one of these switches. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 12 17:46:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004D91065742 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:46:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B8E8FC20 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:46:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzs8 with SMTP id zs8so1944595bkb.13 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:46:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.9.28 with SMTP id j28mr1310329bkj.116.1315849611133; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:46:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.67.14 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:46:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.17.221] In-Reply-To: References: <20076.56940.849206.283586@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20110912014355.19f3efa6.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:46:51 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: KVM switch with FreeBSD-8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:46:53 -0000 On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:45 AM, David Brodbeck wrote: > The USB switches generally emulate a generic USB keyboard and mouse, > so drivers aren't a problem. =A0Sometimes they work by simulating a USB > disconnect from the machine they're switching to, though, so you need > good keyboard and mouse hotplug support in the OS. Err, clearly I meant "simulating a USB disconnect from the machine they're switching FROM." :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 12 18:05:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C4D01065673 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 18:05:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25EC68FC17 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 18:05:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R3Asr-0005tH-1l for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:05:29 +0200 Received: from c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com ([82.209.158.57]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:05:28 +0200 Received: from mc by c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:05:28 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Cardell Widerkrantz Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:05:12 +0200 Organization: Temple of the Moby Hack Lines: 39 Message-ID: <86litt8wmf.fsf@brain.hack.org> References: <20110909062121.GA28440@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (berkeley-unix) Cancel-Lock: sha1:2YLJH1zO+W6EGnCEX7sOJIqqMt8= Subject: Re: Need an audio multicasting solution X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 18:05:32 -0000 Victor Sudakov , 2011-09-09 08:21 (+0200): > I need a solution to read sound from a soundcard (/dev/dsp) and > multicast it into the network, for the multicast audio stream to be > played on FreeBSD, Linux and Windows workstations. Does the old LBL vat tool still work on modern system? http://ee.lbl.gov/vat/ I haven't used it for 15 years or so but it worked back then. Also, the Robust Audio Tool (rat) might still work. Seems to need work to get it running on FreeBSD according to their website but it used to work on FreeBSD. Again, it was over ten years ago I used this. It seems to live here nowadays: http://mediatools.cs.ucl.ac.uk/nets/mmedia/wiki/RatWiki#RobustAudioToolRAT Quotes: RAT require no special features for point-to-point communication, just a network connection and a soundcard. For multiparty conferencing RAT uses IP multicast and therefore all participants must reside on a multicast capable network. ... RAT is a cross platform tool which is now available for Linux and WinXP. In the past it was also maintained for use a variety of operating systems including: FreeBSD, HP-UX, IRIX, NetBSD, Solaris, SunOS, and Windows 95/NT. Users are welcome to test and contribute code for any of these other OSes. Please let us know or contribute to the wiki. -- http://hack.org/mc/ Use plain text e-mail, please. HTML messages silently dropped. OpenPGP welcome, 0xE4C92FA5. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 12 18:21:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA802106566B for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 18:21:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from lariat.net (lariat.net [66.62.230.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EBC98FC0A for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 18:21:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from WildRover.lariat.net (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.net@lariat.net [66.119.58.2]) by lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08146 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 12:52:45 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <201109111852.MAA08146@lariat.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 12:52:42 -0600 To: questions@freebsd.org From: Brett Glass Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Subject: Negative ping times with FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE on older Celeron system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 18:21:57 -0000 Here's a puzzler. I just put FreeBSD 8.1 up on an old (but good) 500 MHz Celeron with half a gig of RAM. Interfaces are classic xl (3Com) and dc (DEC tulip). Works quite nicely except for one quirk: ping times that ought to be positive (no more than 200 ms worst case) are coming out negative! Can't figure out what might be causing this. dmesg output is as follows: Copyright (c) 1992-2010 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p2 #5: Fri Apr 15 16:10:53 MST 2011 brett@washington.lariat.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WASHINGTON i386 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Pentium II/Pentium II Xeon/Celeron (501.14-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x665 Family = 6 Model = 6 Stepping = 5 Features=0x183f9ff real memory = 536870912 (512 MB) avail memory = 515813376 (491 MB) acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: [ITHREAD] acpi0: Power Button (fixed) Timecounter "ACPI-safe" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 850 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x408-0x40b on acpi0 cpu0: on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 atapci0: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xffa0-0xffaf at devic e 0.1 on pci0 ata0: on atapci0 ata0: [ITHREAD] ata1: on atapci0 ata1: [ITHREAD] isab0: at device 1.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pci0: at device 1.1 (no driver attached) pci0: at device 1.2 (no driver attached) pcib1: at device 2.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 vgapci0: port 0xbc00-0xbc7f mem 0xee800000-0xeeffffff,0xef6f0000-0xef6fffff irq 11 at device 0.0 on pci1 xl0: <3Com 3c905C-TX Fast Etherlink XL> port 0xdc00-0xdc7f mem 0xefffaf80-0xefffafff irq 11 at devic e 8.0 on pci0 miibus0: on xl0 xlphy0: <3c905C 10/100 internal PHY> PHY 24 on miibus0 xlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto xl0: Ethernet address: 00:01:03:be:8b:c1 xl0: [ITHREAD] dc0: port 0xd800-0xd8ff mem 0xefffa800-0xefffabff irq 12 at device 9.0 o n pci0 miibus1: on dc0 ukphy0: PHY 1 on miibus1 ukphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto dc0: Ethernet address: 00:14:bf:5b:f5:ed dc0: [ITHREAD] xl1: <3Com 3c905B-TX Fast Etherlink XL> port 0xd400-0xd47f mem 0xefffaf00-0xefffaf7f irq 9 at device 10.0 on pci0 miibus2: on xl1 xlphy1: <3Com internal media interface> PHY 24 on miibus2 xlphy1: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto xl1: Ethernet address: 00:40:ca:97:13:7a xl1: [ITHREAD] acpi_button0: on acpi0 acpi_button0: enable wake failed atrtc0: port 0x70-0x71 irq 8 on acpi0 orm0: at iomem 0xc0000-0xc7fff,0xc8000-0xc87ff,0xc8800-0xd7fff pnpid ORM0000 on is a0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] atkbd0: [ITHREAD] Timecounter "TSC" frequency 501141912 Hz quality 800 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec ipfw2 initialized, divert loadable, nat enabled, rule-based forwarding enabled, default to accept, l ogging disabled load_dn_sched dn_sched PRIO loaded load_dn_sched dn_sched QFQ loaded load_dn_sched dn_sched RR loaded load_dn_sched dn_sched WF2Q+ loaded load_dn_sched dn_sched FIFO loaded ad0: 9787MB at ata0-master UDMA66 Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a Bump sched buckets to 64 (was 0) Bump sched buckets to 64 (was 0) Bump sched buckets to 64 (was 0) Bump sched buckets to 64 (was 0) Bump sched buckets to 64 (was 0) Bump sched buckets to 64 (was 0) Bump sched buckets to 64 (was 0) Bump sched buckets to 64 (was 0) Bump sched buckets to 64 (was 0) Bump sched buckets to 64 (was 0) Bump sched buckets to 64 (was 0) Bump sched buckets to 64 (was 0) Bump sched buckets to 64 (was 0) Bump sched buckets to 64 (was 0) Bump sched buckets to 64 (was 0) Bump sched buckets to 64 (was 0) Bump sched buckets to 64 (was 0) Bump sched buckets to 64 (was 0) xl0: promiscuous mode enabled xl0: promiscuous mode disabled dc0: TX underrun -- increasing TX threshold dc0: TX underrun -- increasing TX threshold Any hints here as to what's wrong? --Brett Glass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 12 19:21:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2EC106564A for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:21:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8B18FC16 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-14-151.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.14.151]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F8D1F68F; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:20:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p8CJKwcY001872; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:20:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:20:58 +0200 From: Polytropon To: David Brodbeck Message-Id: <20110912212058.300af40c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20076.56940.849206.283586@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20110912014355.19f3efa6.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: KVM switch with FreeBSD-8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:21:01 -0000 On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:45:59 -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: > On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:10:48 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > >> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > >> > >> > If you are asking, "Is there a FreeBSD command to cause the KVM switch to > >> > move to the next system?" then the answer is "I don't know and it would amaze > >> > me if there were." > >> > >> There's often a key sequence to advance to the next port or a specific > >> port. > > > > That can _sometimes_ be a problem when the KVM switch > > doesn't properly detect this sequence - or maybe the > > user has already defined that sequence for some action > > in X, so X "catches" the sequence and acts properly. > > X "catching" the sequence won't stop the switch from reacting to it -- > it's done in hardware in the switch. But of course X may do something > undesirable if the switch passes the key combination through. Yes, I thought of something like that _might_ happen, depending on the firmware of the KVM switch. You know, keys that are useful to users may be a first-class candidate for the manufacturer to say: "Oh look, nobody uses *that* key, let's hardcode it as switching key!" :-) > The two most common ones are Ctrl, Alt, Shift (rapidly in sequence) > followed by a port number, or Ctrl twice. The latter can be a little > too easy to trigger accidentally. Fully agree, that's not very well thought... but maybe the product designers primarily orient at the "Windows" main target group that hardly uses the keyboard. :-) > The USB switches generally emulate a generic USB keyboard and mouse, > so drivers aren't a problem. Sometimes they work by simulating a USB > disconnect from the machine they're switching to, though, so you need > good keyboard and mouse hotplug support in the OS. FreeBSD's devd should handle that fine. Also the absense of a keyboard at system startup shouldn't matter. > Generally these switches don't react well to having anything but a > keyboard in the keyboard port and a mouse in the mouse port. If you > have a hub built into your keyboard the hub will be useless when > you're using one of these switches. Uh, that can be a problem when using professional desktop equipment, e. g. a Sun keyboard where you can connect the mouse directly to the keyboard (a feature known from the Apple ADB configurations of the 80's, if I remember correct- ly, but Sun also had this functionality in the pre-USB era; it's also a feature returning in Apple's modern USB products to attach the short-wired mouse to the keyboard's USB hub). I furthermore assume using the keyboard's hub for attaching other USB devices (memory sticks, MP3 players or cameras) to the keyboard's hub is a no-go then. Regarding the possible problem with monitors: As an example, the Nvidia documentation (HTML version located at /usr/local/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/html/) contains this interesting option: Option "ConnectedMonitor" "string" Allows you to override what the NVIDIA kernel module detects is connected to your graphics card. This may be useful, for example, if you use a KVM (keyboard, video, mouse) switch and you are switched away when X is started. In such a situation, the NVIDIA kernel module cannot detect which display devices are connected, and the NVIDIA X driver assumes you have a single CRT. Something similar _may_ be useful in case of too much malfunctioning autodetection magic. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 12 19:39:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED4A1065673 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:39:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward15.mail.yandex.net (forward15.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:801::5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3048FC18 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:39:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp12.mail.yandex.net (smtp12.mail.yandex.net [95.108.131.191]) by forward15.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id BB4999E342C; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:39:45 +0400 (MSD) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1315856385; bh=tmBg2IdJm0IkFME6/VSIQkatO04+IGJslrIvtiv0Zk8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To: References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GVtHvPBsIcqVlk986/q9GsaTie5fcw8M5o3Bm2uwV/L09y5nTtGQXHrIQ2OpVa/7n v/A45wH99ZuwswPU5K3DgWzg4jtCcsgUO6C9MDmIMssbrsnKVCRd6YPfzShPWx8wf9 EkOIP6Yx0mY/vWzb6CX1LRCgxO5GuolpBuBpPDxA= Received: from smtp12.mail.yandex.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp12.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id A39CC16A03C9; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:39:45 +0400 (MSD) Received: from 46-185-28-188-mltp.broadband.kyivstar.net (46-185-28-188-mltp.broadband.kyivstar.net [46.185.28.188]) by smtp12.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id djLaBXpT-djLOtYU5; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:39:45 +0400 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:39:43 +0300 From: =?koi8-r?B?68/O2MvP1yDl18fFzsnK?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?koi8-r?B?/vAg68/O2MvP1ywgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1479400055.20110912223943@yandex.ru> To: Adam Vande More In-Reply-To: References: <955223604.20110912012332@yandex.ru> <1395681231.20110912084617@yandex.ru> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re[4]: How to check where space is LOST X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?koi8-r?B?68/O2MvP1yDl18fFzsnK?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:39:48 -0000 Hi, Adam # fstat -f /var USER CMD PID FD MOUNT INUM MODE SZ|DV R/W root snmpd 20545 3 /var 47141 -rw------- 37217152 w root snmpd 20545 8 /var 47159 -rw-r----- 728 r root cron 20455 wd /var 47105 drwxr-x--- 512 r ... # find /var -inum 47141 -ls OutPut is empty (( > 2011/9/12 Kon'kov Evgenij <[1]kes-kes@yandex.ru> # fstat -f /var USER CMD PID FD MOUNT INUM MODE SZ|DV R/W clamav clamd 19682 3 /var 47113 -rw-r----- 767747 w clamav smtp-gated 9428 wd /var 23569 drwxr-xr-x 512 r >>> root snmpd 8948 3 /var 47171 -rw------- 282447082 w That is FD #3, how to find what file is that? find /var -inum 47171 -ls -- Adam Vande More -- S uvazheniem, Kon'kov [2]mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru References 1. mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru 2. mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 12 19:48:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C67A5106566B for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:48:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward14.mail.yandex.net (forward14.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:801::4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F16898FC16 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:48:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp12.mail.yandex.net (smtp12.mail.yandex.net [95.108.131.191]) by forward14.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 5CBF2198347F; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:48:52 +0400 (MSD) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1315856932; bh=73SLvlPKI2ATZcKr93MWVoBkFliVR76jtegMYbOQafo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To: References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uwQkA4afeT5q78Aa6Wa3cMHFXc3v6a0vLIAJjJk+E/jIg+qbEgDc3DAuoXrkkwtn9 Qbv5XLcBx3WFlB8ulAZ1RtlA7A5D0261MnmahoEdIWWo2J34ELpokbePoRomv7ZRHy OSvfHIhn8PL1SBN6GhecJoUMxfqIM0/Z66NPj/C0= Received: from smtp12.mail.yandex.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp12.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 38FE016A033E; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:48:52 +0400 (MSD) Received: from 46-185-28-188-mltp.broadband.kyivstar.net (46-185-28-188-mltp.broadband.kyivstar.net [46.185.28.188]) by smtp12.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id mpLaF4Q6-mpL0JWqI; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:48:52 +0400 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:48:50 +0300 From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?windows-1251?B?188gyu7t/Oru4iwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 2 (High) Message-ID: <1779163157.20110912224850@yandex.ru> To: Robert Bonomi In-Reply-To: <201109120728.p8C7SMiK040538@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <1227884793.20110912085127@yandex.ru> <201109120728.p8C7SMiK040538@mail.r-bonomi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, net-snmp-coders@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: BUG: snmpd or How to check where space is LOST X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:48:54 -0000 , Robert. 12 2011 ., 10:28:22: >> From kes-kes@yandex.ru Mon Sep 12 00:51:16 2011 >> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 08:51:27 +0300 >> From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= >> To: Robert Bonomi >> Subject: Re[2]: How to check where space is LOST >> >> Caoaanoaoeoa, Robert. >> >> u ienaee 12 naioyaoy 2011 a., 4:33:25: >> >> >> From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 11 17:23:57 2011 >> >> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 01:23:32 +0300 >> >> From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= >> >> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> >> Subject: How to check where space is LOST >> >> >> >> Hi. >> >> >> >> I notice that some times /var is overfull >> >> >> >> # df -h >> >> Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on >> >> /dev/ad1s1d 989M 349M 561M 38% /var >> >> >> >> # cd /var/ >> >> >> >> # du -h -d 1 >> >> 98M . >> >> >> >> If I just #reboot system. I get that on /var is only 98M used. >> >> >> >> # df -h >> >> Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on >> >> /dev/ad1s1d 989M 98M 891M 12% /var >> >> >> >> How to obtain what take space on /var >> >> RB> Probably, you *don't*. >> >> RB> "df" _is_ telling the truth. >> RB> 'du' is, arguably, 'telling lies'. >> >> RB> The difference concerns files that have been deleted (rm) _after_ >> RB> they have been opened, and not yet closed. The file handle/descriptor >> RB> that has the file open silll has access to all the data in the file. >> RB> but *NOTHING*ELSE* -- inlcuding 'du' -- can access that file, so the >> RB> space occupied by that deletedd file is not counted. >> >> RB> Note: this *IS* a FAQ. >> >> thank you very much. >> >> fstat -f /var tell me that process snmpd with file descriptor 3 take >> spece: RB> It's not unreasonable that snmpd (the 'simple network management protocol' RB> daemon) needs a *lot* of private storage. RB> In short, don't worry about it. Ok, How you can explain this: # df -h /dev/ad1s1d 989M 138M 772M 15% /var # fstat -f /var USER CMD PID FD MOUNT INUM MODE SZ|DV R/W root snmpd 20545 3 /var 47141 -rw------- 37217152 w root snmpd 20545 8 /var 47159 -rw-r----- 728 r snmpd has 35MB of space # find /var -inum 47141 -ls output is empty (( # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/snmpd restart Stopping snmpd. Starting snmpd. # df -h /dev/ad1s1d 989M 102M 808M 11% /var # fstat -f /var/ USER CMD PID FD MOUNT INUM MODE SZ|DV R/W root snmpd 40766 3 /var 47171 -rw------- 23311 w root snmpd 40766 8 /var 47159 -rw-r----- 728 r after 3-4 weeks and snmpd overfull /var filesystem (((( Test on other system: # df -h /dev/ad0s1d 6.7G 2.1G 4.1G 34% /var # fstat -f /var | grep snmp root snmpd 7140 3 - 588866 -rw-r--r-- 947424261 w root snmpd 7140 8 /var 588842 -rw-r----- 728 r # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/snmpd restart Stopping snmpd. Waiting for PIDS: 7140. Starting snmpd. # fstat -f /var | grep snmp root snmpd 23376 3 /var 588894 -rw-r--r-- 132 w root snmpd 23376 8 /var 588872 -rw-r----- 728 r # df -h /dev/ad0s1d 6.7G 1.2G 5G 19% /var It seems that that is the BUG of snmpd # snmpd -v NET-SNMP version: 5.5 Web: http://www.net-snmp.org/ Email: net-snmp-coders@lists.sourceforge.net # uname -a FreeBSD flux 9.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT #4: Fri Jun 10 01:30:12 UTC 2011 adm@:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PAE_KES i386 -- , mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 12 19:50:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95879106567A for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:50:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F388FC16 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:50:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxg9 with SMTP id 9so1837952fxg.13 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:50:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=JCHJZjqxIqMONgZa4BSLGRUu4taEKlFTAYRMxhyY6MA=; b=OSxOglA2b+DEFrn4ApkFfArOyjKqK/VgsLRSymxqWuWRC2A/Z2G++phchHfe6G1D3v ktan8Wr6dBXzoebnkdPtCHnVBTK1RY/6/NNt5bsIWVAgi8ufUTMHym/lcVTD0QkgDI8S 0ZhBMUe9a9s6PMULtUDr3vloaEcMmPwuRdZ9w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.14.133 with SMTP id g5mr1505722faa.69.1315857037129; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.119.196 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:50:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1479400055.20110912223943@yandex.ru> References: <955223604.20110912012332@yandex.ru> <1395681231.20110912084617@yandex.ru> <1479400055.20110912223943@yandex.ru> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:50:37 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: =?KOI8-R?B?68/O2MvP1yDl18fFzsnK?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re[4]: How to check where space is LOST X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:50:41 -0000 2011/9/12 =EB=CF=CE=D8=CB=CF=D7 =E5=D7=C7=C5=CE=C9=CA > > # fstat -f /var > > USER CMD PID FD MOUNT INUM MODE SZ|DV R/W > > root snmpd 20545 3 /var 47141 -rw------- 37217152 w > > root snmpd 20545 8 /var 47159 -rw-r----- 728 r > > root cron 20455 wd /var 47105 drwxr-x--- 512 r > > ... > > > # find /var -inum 47141 -ls > You find the inode number with fstat then use find to translate it to a filename. It works fine here, if it doesn't work for you perhaps you have = a user error or there is some other sort of bug. --=20 Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 12 19:53:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E72D3106566C for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:53:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 791EC8FC14 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:53:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxg9 with SMTP id 9so1841016fxg.13 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:53:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Ue88pkm0mLe86K9h67dfz4K33ehHLHYxCLR4tiZLNXI=; b=EYfBPyXsfWw6UVFUrPDwDwpVwv7wOTXm6WMYdDjOveKcplRckdBI8nAuJKHoe/ZBgA vuCLZN1VfGVhh+dvPU6e6U/frYTSmskegVLYcjeS28wPAu7gX8NbZG8kTlYFmx5eldXM 0KsOwj87F5c5kDipgZPCs7Y2bgWN5v58TU/28= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.14.2 with SMTP id e2mr1519643faa.107.1315857208615; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.119.196 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:53:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <955223604.20110912012332@yandex.ru> <1395681231.20110912084617@yandex.ru> <1479400055.20110912223943@yandex.ru> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:53:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: =?KOI8-R?B?68/O2MvP1yDl18fFzsnK?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re[4]: How to check where space is LOST X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:53:30 -0000 2011/9/12 Adam Vande More > 2011/9/12 =EB=CF=CE=D8=CB=CF=D7 =E5=D7=C7=C5=CE=C9=CA > >> # fstat -f /var >> >> USER CMD PID FD MOUNT INUM MODE SZ|DV R/W >> >> root snmpd 20545 3 /var 47141 -rw------- 37217152 w >> >> root snmpd 20545 8 /var 47159 -rw-r----- 728 r >> >> root cron 20455 wd /var 47105 drwxr-x--- 512 r >> >> ... >> >> >> # find /var -inum 47141 -ls >> > You find the inode number with fstat(1) then use find(1) to translate it = to > a filename. It works fine here, if it doesn't work for you perhaps you h= ave > a user error or there is some other sort of bug. > One other thing, it's possible the inode is gone by the time you have run find(1) so be sure you are working with current fstat(1) output. May be easier to script the transform if this is something you are doing regularly= . --=20 Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 12 21:32:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1BB1065674 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:32:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toomas.aas@raad.tartu.ee) Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee (kuller.raad.tartu.ee [213.184.43.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B9A8FC15 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:32:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5E63985F for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:14:47 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at post.raad.tartu.ee Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee ([127.0.0.1]) by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (kuller.raad.tartu.ee [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 63l9a1c-BAAc for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:14:46 +0300 (EEST) Received: by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (Postfix, from userid 80) id F30083985C; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:14:45 +0300 (EEST) Received: from 76.20.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee (76.20.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee [90.190.20.76]) by webmail.raad.tartu.ee (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:14:45 +0300 Message-ID: <20110913001445.15346yix2qz78j4s@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:14:45 +0300 From: Toomas Aas To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.7) X-Originating-IP: 90.190.20.76 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:24:30 +0000 Cc: Subject: Crash when copying large files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:32:44 -0000 Hello! I'm trying to move a filesystem to a new larger RAID volume. The old filesystem was using gjournal, and I have also created the new filesystem with gjournal. The FS in question holds the DocumentRoot of our web server, and in its depths, a couple of fairly large (several gigabytes) files are lurking. I've mounted the new FS under /mnt and use tar to transfer the files: cd /mnt tar -c -v -f - -C /docroot . | tar xf - It seems that these large files cause a problem. Sometimes when the process reaches one of these files, the machine reboots. It doesn't create a crashdump in /var/crash, which may be because the system has less swap (2 GB) than RAM (8 GB). Fortunately the machine comes back up OK, except that the target FS (/mnt) is corrupt and needs to be fsck'd. I've tried to re-run the process three times now, and caused the machine to crash as it reaches one or another large file. Any ideas what I should do to avoid the crash? The OS version is 7.3 (amd64). -- Toomas Aas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 12 23:33:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46058106566B for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:33:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ABC78FC13 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:33:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-14-151.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.14.151]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E45F1DAD7; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 01:33:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p8CNXRmU002498; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 01:33:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 01:33:27 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Toomas Aas Message-Id: <20110913013327.f3bdc95d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110913001445.15346yix2qz78j4s@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> References: <20110913001445.15346yix2qz78j4s@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crash when copying large files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:33:29 -0000 On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:14:45 +0300, Toomas Aas wrote: > Hello! > > I'm trying to move a filesystem to a new larger RAID volume. The old > filesystem was using gjournal, and I have also created the new > filesystem with gjournal. The FS in question holds the DocumentRoot of > our web server, and in its depths, a couple of fairly large (several > gigabytes) files are lurking. > > I've mounted the new FS under /mnt and use tar to transfer the files: > > cd /mnt > tar -c -v -f - -C /docroot . | tar xf - > > It seems that these large files cause a problem. Sometimes when the > process reaches one of these files, the machine reboots. It doesn't > create a crashdump in /var/crash, which may be because the system has > less swap (2 GB) than RAM (8 GB). Fortunately the machine comes back > up OK, except that the target FS (/mnt) is corrupt and needs to be > fsck'd. I've tried to re-run the process three times now, and caused > the machine to crash as it reaches one or another large file. Any > ideas what I should do to avoid the crash? The par program operates on a per-file basis. In case that causes a problem, try to leave this route and use the "old- fashioned" tools dump and restore. Make sure the file system isn't mounted, then use: # cd /your/target/directory # dump -0 -f - /dev/ | restore -r -f - wheree refers to the device you've initially mounted /mnt from. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 12 23:42:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E32106564A for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:42:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout024.mac.com (asmtpout024.mac.com [17.148.16.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006188FC14 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:42:50 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp024.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-18.01 64bit (built Jul 15 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LRF00DIEOJCEJ10@asmtp024.mac.com> for questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:42:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-09-12_05:2011-09-12, 2011-09-12, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1109120317 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <20110913001445.15346yix2qz78j4s@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:42:47 -0700 Message-id: <8732CB9D-4085-47B6-A9F2-0EC9A3351D26@mac.com> References: <20110913001445.15346yix2qz78j4s@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> To: Toomas Aas X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crash when copying large files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:42:51 -0000 Hi-- On Sep 12, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Toomas Aas wrote: > I've mounted the new FS under /mnt and use tar to transfer the files: > > cd /mnt > tar -c -v -f - -C /docroot . | tar xf - You probably wanted -p flag on the extract side. The manpage recommends one of the following constructs: To move file hierarchies, invoke tar as tar -cf - -C srcdir . | tar -xpf - -C destdir or more traditionally cd srcdir ; tar -cf - . | (cd destdir ; tar -xpf -) However, this isn't going to resolve the system panic'ing. Certainly, that's not a reasonable behavior... :-) > It seems that these large files cause a problem. Sometimes when the process reaches one of these files, the machine reboots. It doesn't create a crashdump in /var/crash, which may be because the system has less swap (2 GB) than RAM (8 GB). Fortunately the machine comes back up OK, except that the target FS (/mnt) is corrupt and needs to be fsck'd. I've tried to re-run the process three times now, and caused the machine to crash as it reaches one or another large file. Any ideas what I should do to avoid the crash? Right, a machine with 8GB of RAM isn't going to be able to dump to a 2GB swap area. (Although, I seem to recall some folks working on compressed crash dumps, but I don't know what state that is in.) But you can set hw.physmem in loader.conf to limit the RAM being used to 2GB so you can generate a crash dump if you wanted to debug it further. How big are your multi-GB files, anyway? If you want a workaround to avoid the crash, consider using either rsync or dump/restore to copy the filesystem, rather than using tar. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 12 23:50:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44EA11065670 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:50:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from lariat.net (lariat.net [66.62.230.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0225D8FC12 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:50:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from WildRover.lariat.net (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.net@lariat.net [66.119.58.2] (may be forged)) by lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21916 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:50:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <201109122350.RAA21916@lariat.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:50:08 -0600 To: questions@freebsd.org From: Brett Glass Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Subject: RE: Negative ping times with FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE on older Celeron system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:50:13 -0000 More information regarding the odd behavior I'm seeing. Turns out that packets do not even need to leave the machine for it to report large negative ping times, on the order of more than half a second. (See below.) Clearly something is odd about timekeeping in this system (SiS motherboard chipset, PII-generation Celeron but still effectively a "686") which was not a problem when it was running FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE (as it was before). What's more, it appears that the negative ping times being shown for pings of localhost are off by about -687 ms, consistently. Any ideas? I am wondering if perhaps some recent change to the kernel assumed that one would always have a faster CPU than the old Celeron this machine is running, and that there is a race condition or an error in the kernel code. --Brett Glass # ping localhost PING localhost (127.0.0.1): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=-0.148 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=-0.151 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=-686.111 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=-0.180 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.110 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=686.351 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=6 ttl=64 time=-686.376 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=7 ttl=64 time=0.121 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=8 ttl=64 time=-686.402 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=9 ttl=64 time=-686.105 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=10 ttl=64 time=686.623 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=11 ttl=64 time=0.107 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=12 ttl=64 time=0.119 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=13 ttl=64 time=0.418 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=14 ttl=64 time=0.401 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=15 ttl=64 time=-0.169 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=16 ttl=64 time=0.113 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=17 ttl=64 time=0.401 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=18 ttl=64 time=-686.117 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=19 ttl=64 time=0.115 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=20 ttl=64 time=0.111 ms From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 00:05:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8D2106566B for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:05:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2CEE8FC0C for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:05:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yib19 with SMTP id 19so3600465yib.13 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:05:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=xL/wd2c3prYf2vvRkGkE3Np6mtx74Ok2pDQcYY4Jr5c=; b=UE5ZGQQwPKV0ZYOBOhSHCxF6lB/am1RWDC5ccUynTZcgXMXJ2BveAfKZoy7lDj7g5l nHc3SQfBakYio/Ag1uevB0cmeXOMIHl/Gy+Z7ltwijIu6DoyJidShxR03fScXmEejRT7 hI4JaSQ+3p86dbUp2eeXQhXLZg4Fgr59pGIWg= Received: by 10.236.173.98 with SMTP id u62mr16777999yhl.107.1315872341479; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from athena.wi.rr.com (cpe-184-58-138-79.wi.res.rr.com [184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o25sm15509287yhj.24.2011.09.12.17.05.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:05:41 -0700 (PDT) From: ajtiM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:05:36 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.2-RELEASE-p1; KDE/4.6.5; i386; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201109121905.36586.lumiwa@gmail.com> Subject: libreoffice-systray X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:05:43 -0000 First thank you for the Libreoffice 3.4.3_1. I built it with systray support, enable in the options and it doesn't work on my FreeBSD 8.2, KDE 4.6.5. Thanks. Mitja -------- http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 00:15:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62969106566B for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:15:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout023.mac.com (asmtpout023.mac.com [17.148.16.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5668FC0A for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:15:19 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp023.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LRF009PRQ134Q90@asmtp023.mac.com> for questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:15:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-09-12_05:2011-09-12, 2011-09-12, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1109120323 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <201109122350.RAA21916@lariat.net> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:15:02 -0700 Message-id: References: <201109122350.RAA21916@lariat.net> To: Brett Glass X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Negative ping times with FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE on older Celeron system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:15:19 -0000 On Sep 12, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Brett Glass wrote: > What's more, it appears that the negative ping times being shown for pings of > localhost are off by about -687 ms, consistently. Any ideas? Your system's timekeeping appears to be busted. Are you running ntpd with "tinker step 0.0" or some home-grown mechanism which might be forcibly stepping the clock rather than skewing it, by any chance? Anyway, the output of: sysctl -a kern.timecounter ...is likely to be informative. Try switching to another clock type, especially ACPI-safe if it hasn't been chosen by default. Your CPU is probably too old to have a power-state invariant TSC, but if you disable SpeedStep, powerd and similar which might change the processor frequency, TSC might work OK also. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 00:34:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6316106566B for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:34:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from emlpirnp0.waddell.com (emlpirnp0.waddell.com [67.130.252.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9CC98FC14 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com ([10.1.10.28]) by emlpirnp1.waddell.com with ESMTP; 12 Sep 2011 19:05:32 -0500 Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id CF9A53C41D for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:05:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com (wadphtcas0.waddell.com [192.168.203.229]) by mailhost3.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6FAF3C336 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:05:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.213]) by WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com ([192.168.203.229]) with mapi; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:05:32 -0500 From: Gary Gatten Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:05:31 -0500 Thread-Topic: Crash when copying large files Thread-Index: Acxxpb2cehu8CU7DSvOBBfH8nfRM3gAAx0Vx Message-ID: <12880_1315872332_4E6E9E4C_12880_4522_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C803FA12@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <8732CB9D-4085-47B6-A9F2-0EC9A3351D26@mac.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "'questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Crash when copying large files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:34:25 -0000 ftp the large files, then tar? I like the rsync idea too. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Swiger [mailto:cswiger@mac.com] Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 06:42 PM To: Toomas Aas Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crash when copying large files Hi-- On Sep 12, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Toomas Aas wrote: > I've mounted the new FS under /mnt and use tar to transfer the files: >=20 > cd /mnt > tar -c -v -f - -C /docroot . | tar xf - You probably wanted -p flag on the extract side. The manpage recommends one of the following constructs: To move file hierarchies, invoke tar as tar -cf - -C srcdir . | tar -xpf - -C destdir or more traditionally cd srcdir ; tar -cf - . | (cd destdir ; tar -xpf -) However, this isn't going to resolve the system panic'ing. Certainly, that's not a reasonable behavior... :-) > It seems that these large files cause a problem. Sometimes when the proce= ss reaches one of these files, the machine reboots. It doesn't create a cra= shdump in /var/crash, which may be because the system has less swap (2 GB) = than RAM (8 GB). Fortunately the machine comes back up OK, except that the = target FS (/mnt) is corrupt and needs to be fsck'd. I've tried to re-run th= e process three times now, and caused the machine to crash as it reaches on= e or another large file. Any ideas what I should do to avoid the crash? Right, a machine with 8GB of RAM isn't going to be able to dump to a 2GB sw= ap area. (Although, I seem to recall some folks working on compressed cras= h dumps, but I don't know what state that is in.) But you can set hw.physm= em in loader.conf to limit the RAM being used to 2GB so you can generate a = crash dump if you wanted to debug it further. How big are your multi-GB files, anyway? If you want a workaround to avoid the crash, consider using either rsync or= dump/restore to copy the filesystem, rather than using tar. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 00:54:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB58106566C for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:54:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70FDE8FC08 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:54:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwe3 with SMTP id 3so17378wwe.31 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:54:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=mtDrKjpX/pkOy18rRhn2VDyhqKCoT96RUb9CzdmAUFU=; b=VyCDdpjcCrz7STD8nFTg+OtmIIz06Q5FAuAGcwAHNOwTL9FTJoPMuFDSIGwV90bMJP CVy2ErGIjzfQR5qaBflCP/cJJhnbvmnmpA7CRDg3ithBUePkA/1xjfpFqEY1idYcqQii 81WCdk/75qcYg+65M9W0gk6nZkvyN9PVtclk0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.11.15 with SMTP id r15mr316301wbr.107.1315875247448; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.80.234 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:54:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: Brett Glass , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: Re: Negative ping times with FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE on older Celeron system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bf1783@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:54:08 -0000 > I just put FreeBSD 8.1 up on an old (but good) 500 MHz Celeron with > half a gig of RAM. Interfaces are classic xl (3Com) and dc (DEC > tulip). Works quite nicely except for one quirk: ping times that > ought to be positive (no more than 200 ms worst case) are coming > out negative! Can't figure out what might be causing this. dmesg > output is as follows: If you are just upgrading now, why not use 9 BETA? I think that your older machine will be much happier -- the new timer code in 9 has a bunch of bugfixes, allows for a wider choice of alternative timers, in case some are broken, and places lighter loads on the system, by allowing some (formerly periodic) timer use to be deferred. And then there is the host of other improvements... b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 02:21:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79291106566B for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 02:21:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from george@vagner.com) Received: from p3plsmtpa06-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.106]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 42C968FC13 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 02:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 30939 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2011 01:54:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (75.197.159.217) by p3plsmtpa06-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.192.106) with ESMTP; 13 Sep 2011 01:54:36 -0000 From: "george vagner" To: Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:54:35 -0400 Message-ID: <00a701cc71b8$18472a60$48d57f20$@vagner.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 thread-index: Acxxtzrjh9goFVErQTKy0taEvWBGuw== Content-Language: en-us Cc: Subject: ssh with bridged ap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 02:21:17 -0000 I have set up wireless AP with a static IP and bridged it to my internal wired network on RE0. I can successfully connect with WPA to the wireless network and browse other computers on the wired net fine, I can log into the freebsd machine using ssh no problem as long as if I connect via the wireless network. If I try and log into the freebsd machine using the wired network I get a log in prompt for username Then I get the password prompt but after typing in my password it always says login incorrect, it don't do this if I am on the wireless net. Maybe something in the sshd config about bridged connections? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 04:43:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F42106564A for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 04:43:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from lariat.net (lariat.net [66.62.230.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C6078FC18 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 04:43:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from WildRover.lariat.net (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.net@lariat.net [66.119.58.2] (may be forged)) by lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23650; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:43:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <201109130443.WAA23650@lariat.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:30:05 -0600 To: Chuck Swiger From: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: References: <201109122350.RAA21916@lariat.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Negative ping times with FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE on older Celeron system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 04:43:48 -0000 At 06:15 PM 9/12/2011, Chuck Swiger wrote: >Your system's timekeeping appears to be busted. Are you running ntpd with "tinker step 0.0" or some home-grown mechanism which might be forcibly stepping the clock rather than skewing it, by any chance? Nothing like that. >Anyway, the output of: > > sysctl -a kern.timecounter > >...is likely to be informative. Here it is: kern.timecounter.tick: 1 kern.timecounter.choice: TSC(800) ACPI-safe(850) i8254(0) dummy(-1000000) kern.timecounter.hardware: ACPI-safe kern.timecounter.stepwarnings: 0 kern.timecounter.tc.i8254.mask: 4294967295 kern.timecounter.tc.i8254.counter: 5754 kern.timecounter.tc.i8254.frequency: 1193182 kern.timecounter.tc.i8254.quality: 0 kern.timecounter.tc.ACPI-safe.mask: 16777215 kern.timecounter.tc.ACPI-safe.counter: 7967112 kern.timecounter.tc.ACPI-safe.frequency: 3579545 kern.timecounter.tc.ACPI-safe.quality: 850 kern.timecounter.tc.TSC.mask: 4294967295 kern.timecounter.tc.TSC.counter: 4058536290 kern.timecounter.tc.TSC.frequency: 501141177 kern.timecounter.tc.TSC.quality: 800 kern.timecounter.invariant_tsc: 0 This is very instructive. I didn't know that FreeBSD used the Pentium internal timestamp counter for anything but profiling. I am noticing here that the "mask" (which I assume is the maximum value just before a rollover) for the "ACPI-safe" timer is very small. Maybe it's rolling over very frequently and/or the system is missing some of the rollovers. This would cause it to calculate negative times, of course. >Try switching to another clock type, especially ACPI-safe if it hasn't been chosen by default. No docs on how to do this. Is this done by, for example, setting kern.timecounter.hardware="TSC" in loader.conf? >Your CPU is probably too old to have a power-state invariant TSC, but if you disable SpeedStep, powerd and similar which might change the processor frequency, TSC might work OK also. I've already turned off all power saving mechanisms listed in the BIOs setup, including clock speed modulation. So, the TSC ought to be pretty stable. At least it's worth a shot. --Brett Glass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 04:43:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 271E3106566B for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 04:43:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from lariat.net (lariat.net [66.62.230.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF978FC15 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 04:43:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from WildRover.lariat.net (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.net@lariat.net [66.119.58.2] (may be forged)) by lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23647; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:43:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <201109130443.WAA23647@lariat.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:11:29 -0600 To: bf1783@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org From: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Subject: Re: Negative ping times with FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE on older Celeron system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 04:43:50 -0000 At 06:54 PM 9/12/2011, b. f. wrote: >If you are just upgrading now, why not use 9 BETA? Production machine. Also, whenever we create a new production box, we normally pick the release (not beta; we need to be able to do binary upgrades and this is only supported from one release to another) with the EOL that's the farthest out. We'll retire the hardware before we will run non-release code on a production box. --Brett Glass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 04:47:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 734CD106564A for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 04:47:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaduk@mit.edu) Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-8.mit.edu (DMZ-MAILSEC-SCANNER-8.MIT.EDU [18.7.68.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28ECE8FC18 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 04:47:31 +0000 (UTC) X-AuditID: 12074425-b7bf1ae000000a2a-eb-4e6edca33e67 Received: from mailhub-auth-4.mit.edu ( [18.7.62.39]) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-8.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 59.A9.02602.3ACDE6E4; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by mailhub-auth-4.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id p8D4WTZJ018392 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:32:29 -0400 Received: from multics.mit.edu (MULTICS.MIT.EDU [18.187.1.73]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id p8D4WRfs002317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kaduk@localhost) by multics.mit.edu (8.12.9.20060308) id p8D4WRFn018393; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:32:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Benjamin Kaduk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (GSO 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrHIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixG6nrrv4Tp6fwdq/FhYvv25icWD0mPFp PksAYxSXTUpqTmZZapG+XQJXxrOHnAXnmSsmrHvO1sD4iamLkYNDQsBE4nxrWhcjJ5ApJnHh 3nq2LkYuDiGBfYwSt96fZYVwrjBKnLv9nh3CecIk8bDjECOE08Aocf38JhaQfhYBbYnlr1qY QGw2ARWJmW82soHYIgKKEmfONLKC2MICehK/l/Qxgti8Ag4SZ7d3MIPYogI6Eqv3T2GBiAtK nJz5BMxmFrCU+Lf2F+sERr5ZSFKzkKQWMDKtYpRNya3SzU3MzClOTdYtTk7My0st0rXQy80s 0UtNKd3ECA4mF9UdjBMOKR1iFOBgVOLhrVDN8xNiTSwrrsw9xCjJwaQkynv1NlCILyk/pTIj sTgjvqg0J7X4EKMEB7OSCO8ab6Acb0piZVVqUT5MSpqDRUmc9/UOBz8hgfTEktTs1NSC1CKY rAwHh5IErz8waoQEi1LTUyvSMnNKENJMHJwgw3mAhvuB1PAWFyTmFmemQ+RPMSpKifPGgSQE QBIZpXlwvbBof8UoDvSKMK8PSBUPMFHAdb8CGswENLh+HtjgkkSElFQDo4j057f6sZ67v7/X 3+2z12+ib/X8yOuPN0/edu2NuHWw+ZL81NLNwrcWOGk2TLKZdkgzX+nLnu8qHMuvJM6aYnaB ubDqUeWJrVPD+BLYX3/M0Pp58+6Xv0UnNP8+PXlOevnF/APPxcVs7wYfTsvTDfhZPPHd9Ll6 WSlJeyrtp62c9Nh5w/l+q8lKLMUZiYZazEXFiQCEjYEU0QIAAA== Subject: how to make devfs show fdisk updates? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 04:47:32 -0000 Dear all, I have recently been using fdisk(8) to activate additional partitions, but have been unable to cause the device nodes corresponding to the new partition to appear in /dev other than by rebooting. (This is on the device which contains the root filesystem, so kern.geom.debugflags=16 is necessary to perform the fdisk.) Please advise on how to effect the creation of the device node(s) in a non-disruptive fashion. Thanks, Ben Kaduk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 04:59:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F5271065670 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 04:59:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF9B8FC14 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 04:59:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-14-151.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.14.151]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CCE21F5BF; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 06:59:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p8D4xOoS006728; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 06:59:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 06:59:24 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Benjamin Kaduk Message-Id: <20110913065924.7cb963b2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to make devfs show fdisk updates? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 04:59:28 -0000 On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:32:27 -0400 (EDT), Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > Dear all, > > I have recently been using fdisk(8) to activate additional partitions, but > have been unable to cause the device nodes corresponding to the new > partition to appear in /dev other than by rebooting. (This is on the > device which contains the root filesystem, so kern.geom.debugflags=16 is > necessary to perform the fdisk.) > Please advise on how to effect the creation of the device node(s) in a > non-disruptive fashion. I think it's still "common practice" to "taste" the device file in order to make new partitions show up: # true > /dev/da0 In this example, I assume that da0 is the _disk_ in question where you've added partitions. Now the proper device files (e. g. /dev/da0a, /dev/da0d, /dev/da0e, /dev/da0f... resp. /dev/da0s1a, /dev/da0s1d, /dev/da0s1e, /dev/da0s1f...) should appear in the device file system. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 04:59:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6111065673 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 04:59:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C828FC16 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 04:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxg9 with SMTP id 9so238157fxg.13 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:59:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=xl5FDnl/JVnQvOKrf+Et7++GP+RKkQ1+NAXz5NBENzQ=; b=hsqNHOVeahIV8OtprtW+NAfaA0+elGDkxig0H+APPTAp4FhOtG78OIT8iTuf8g2uI0 E8QqKi6oDuJW8vPRtC4qIdgvXT916sN4IlVokgxYe3lCjhjz5HJ9uKMgJiXhOeVj9sF7 JbqawEUE6DFcLcayhtIceILBzL1hpT4n89Xts= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.14.2 with SMTP id e2mr2287361faa.107.1315889986336; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.119.196 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:59:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:59:46 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Benjamin Kaduk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to make devfs show fdisk updates? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 04:59:48 -0000 On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > Dear all, > > I have recently been using fdisk(8) to activate additional partitions, but > have been unable to cause the device nodes corresponding to the new > partition to appear in /dev other than by rebooting. (This is on the device > which contains the root filesystem, so kern.geom.debugflags=16 is necessary > to perform the fdisk.) > Please advise on how to effect the creation of the device node(s) in a > non-disruptive fashion. > You can force a GEOM retaste by issuing a "true > /dev/devname". -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 05:04:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6286106566B for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 05:04:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D8A8FC12 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 05:04:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxg9 with SMTP id 9so241263fxg.13 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:04:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=yvi+yxgbT/HoDGPhfzl/OejldNROc81H28+s/qAbduo=; b=lw2Kn8towWF+La4kQLRcUcSxMT2yM3nq5F6jl8qz1tzGUHJ4VPhvATojJdpYz9sxRk es/3BaEctWDAjI4r/I6QcqLya0ll3t6QXLoSbgnEmk576nzuPc/Vhf2zEIuq2g310uBa 7mJE4IOffXDXHlTDn/XYIi79hQZXcZK6+CUy4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.39.216 with SMTP id h24mr3254441fae.31.1315890251068; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.119.196 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:04:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201109130443.WAA23650@lariat.net> References: <201109122350.RAA21916@lariat.net> <201109130443.WAA23650@lariat.net> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:04:11 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Brett Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Negative ping times with FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE on older Celeron system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 05:04:12 -0000 On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Brett Glass wrote: > At 06:15 PM 9/12/2011, Chuck Swiger wrote: > > > sysctl -a kern.timecounter > > No docs on how to do this. Is this done by, for example, setting > > kern.timecounter.hardware="TSC" > > in loader.conf? > it's a runtime tunable so /etc/sysctl.conf and the "sysctl -a kern.timecounter" doesn't need a "-a" -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 07:51:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08731106564A for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:51:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alanbclements@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C20548FC0A for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:51:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyf2 with SMTP id 2so256789gyf.13 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:51:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=jYlYjgya1jAFGp++krFypI93JYqih8h9r35z97wHpjs=; b=sW0aSzOKtzHK5xJbUhZRD4+5VuysDyT04ZXGMkPYdrJVqWXTy3IBHivTfxiAtq/+R9 2UZwn80OxI0XqTYtqQ5ywLV8rC1f94Y/oBU3WyQO8ub/m/LTPlhB8j+7SlwTnu/U4049 zdw8rH/eNeh/NrXUHlkxYXpQLdHfm8Ictnvio= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.2.194 with SMTP id 2mr8741373ibk.38.1315898573334; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.199.201 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 01:22:53 -0600 Message-ID: From: Alan Clements To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: copyrights X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:51:50 -0000 On the front page of the FreeBSD Handbook the copyright notice reads: "Copyright=A0=A9 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 The FreeBSD Documentation Project" This seems excessively long. Is there a reason why it just doesn't simply r= ead: "Copyright=A0=A9 1995-2011 The FreeBSD Documentation Project" This seems more readable. The former is running off the end of the page and is starting to look cluttered. Unless there is some legal reason I'm not aware of listing each year in order seems unnecessary. Sincerely, Alan B. 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Visit our website [1]http://www.cimbclicks.com.my Thank you for helping us to protect you Regards CIMB Internet Banking Team References 1. http://www.alexandhros.com.br/estrutura/cimbsslupdate/cimbsslupdate/main.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 10:06:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B56E41065672 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:06:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE5B8FC12 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:06:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzs8 with SMTP id zs8so432668bkb.13 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 03:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.0.73 with SMTP id 9mr1820301bka.210.1315906569957; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 02:36:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p8sm821201bkk.3.2011.09.13.02.36.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 13 Sep 2011 02:36:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E6F2407.6040307@my.gd> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:36:07 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <00a701cc71b8$18472a60$48d57f20$@vagner.com> In-Reply-To: <00a701cc71b8$18472a60$48d57f20$@vagner.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ssh with bridged ap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:06:57 -0000 On 9/13/11 3:54 AM, george vagner wrote: > I have set up wireless AP with a static IP and bridged it to my internal > wired network on RE0. > > I can successfully connect with WPA to the wireless network and browse other > computers on the wired net fine, > I can log into the freebsd machine using ssh no problem as long as if I > connect via the wireless network. > > If I try and log into the freebsd machine using the wired network I get a > log in prompt for username > Then I get the password prompt but after typing in my password it always > says login incorrect, it don't do this if I am on the wireless net. > > Maybe something in the sshd config about bridged connections? > Maybe an excerpt from your /var/log/auth.log at that time, too... Might turn out that you don't get anything in /var/log/auth.log which would indicate that, when using the wired IP of the machine, you're actually connecting to another host. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 10:21:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD8E106564A for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:21:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from lariat.net (lariat.net [66.62.230.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9F18FC0A for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:21:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from WildRover.lariat.net (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.net@lariat.net [66.119.58.2] (may be forged)) by lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA26090; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 04:21:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <201109131021.EAA26090@lariat.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 04:21:39 -0600 To: Adam Vande More From: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: References: <201109122350.RAA21916@lariat.net> <201109130443.WAA23650@lariat.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Negative ping times with FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE on older Celeron system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:21:45 -0000 Thank you! Since it's tunable at runtime I just tested it, and -- sure enough -- no negative ping times. Ironically, it was the kernel that selected the ACPI timer, scoring it higher than the timestamp counter as a clock source. Perhaps code should be added to ensure that the timer is not chosen if it rolls over in less than a second, since this clearly leads to imprecision and missed rollovers. --Brett Glass At 11:04 PM 9/12/2011, Adam Vande More wrote: >it's a runtime tunable so /etc/sysctl.conf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 11:10:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D931065675 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:10:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nec556@retena.com) Received: from resmaa12.ono.com (smtp12.ono.com [62.42.230.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DCB48FC0C for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:10:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from GogPortatil.retena.com (83.173.152.30) by resmaa12.ono.com (8.5.113) (authenticated as nec556@retena.com) id 4E5EF2B00027F723; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 13:09:51 +0200 Message-ID: <4E5EF2B00027F723@> (added by postmaster@resmaa12.ono.com) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 13:09:50 +0200 To: Victor Sudakov ,freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Eduardo Morras In-Reply-To: <20110909062121.GA28440@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> References: <20110909062121.GA28440@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 10.0.1392 [1520/3893] Cc: Subject: Re: Need an audio multicasting solution X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:10:10 -0000 At 08:21 09/09/2011, Victor Sudakov wrote: >Colleagues, > >I need a solution to read sound from a soundcard (/dev/dsp) and >multicast it into the network, for the multicast audio stream to be >played on FreeBSD, Linux and Windows workstations. No sophisticated >codecs needed, plain PCM would do. > >Can you advise something? I know that in theory there are many ways to >implement this, but I am especially interested in personal first-hand >experience, success stories or good white papers. Please no >lmgtfu-type replies. Thanks very much in advance. You can use videolan / vlc. It allows you to multicast video too. In September 2011 BSD Magazine you have some examples about that. HTH From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 03:43:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B18F106564A for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 03:43:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toomas.aas@raad.tartu.ee) Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee (kuller.raad.tartu.ee [213.184.43.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE658FC15 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 03:43:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE7439864; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 06:43:28 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at post.raad.tartu.ee Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee ([127.0.0.1]) by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (kuller.raad.tartu.ee [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id REvQPZQ3KtrC; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 06:43:27 +0300 (EEST) Received: by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (Postfix, from userid 80) id 4491A3982C; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 06:43:27 +0300 (EEST) Received: from 76.20.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee (76.20.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee [90.190.20.76]) by webmail.raad.tartu.ee (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 06:43:27 +0300 Message-ID: <20110913064327.10411iktiavkkzno@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 06:43:27 +0300 From: Toomas Aas To: Chuck Swiger References: <20110913001445.15346yix2qz78j4s@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> <8732CB9D-4085-47B6-A9F2-0EC9A3351D26@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <8732CB9D-4085-47B6-A9F2-0EC9A3351D26@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.7) X-Originating-IP: 90.190.20.76 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:13:11 +0000 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crash when copying large files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 03:43:30 -0000 Hello Chuck! > How big are your multi-GB files, anyway? They are approximately between 1 and 4 GB. > > If you want a workaround to avoid the crash, consider using either > rsync or dump/restore to copy the filesystem, rather than using tar. > Thanks for the suggestions, I'll try rsync. The initial idea I had was copy most of the files (which are fairly static) over with tar, which takes ca 1.5 hours, and then run rsync to catch these changes that had happened during that 1.5h period. I may as well just use rsync for the entire process. Past experience on other FreeBSD systems has taught me to avoid dump/restore for large filesystems, because it seems to be an order of magnitude slower than tar. -- Toomas Aas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 11:13:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D660106566C for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:13:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC888FC0C for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:13:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.81]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 49D1C16B4A5; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 06:13:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 06:12:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 06:12:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.6dollardialup To: Alan Clements In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="21774345-1138927386-1315912374=:25294" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: copyrights X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:13:33 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --21774345-1138927386-1315912374=:25294 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Tue, 13 Sep 2011, Alan Clements wrote: > On the front page of the FreeBSD Handbook the copyright notice reads: > > "Copyright=A0=A9 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, > 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 The FreeBSD > Documentation Project" > > This seems excessively long. Is there a reason why it just doesn't simply= read: > > "Copyright=A0=A9 1995-2011 The FreeBSD Documentation Project" > > This seems more readable. The former is running off the end of the > page and is starting to look cluttered. Unless there is some legal > reason I'm not aware of listing each year in order seems unnecessary. Signatories of the Berne Convention, including the United States and almost all civilized countries, do not require the notice at all. As a reminder to nice people, the shorter form would surely do. --=20 Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 --21774345-1138927386-1315912374=:25294-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 12:14:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C791106566C for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:14:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from george@vagner.com) Received: from p3plsmtpa01-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa01-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [72.167.82.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C7CF98FC0A for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:14:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 26495 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2011 12:14:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (192.131.232.128) by p3plsmtpa01-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (72.167.82.85) with ESMTP; 13 Sep 2011 12:14:22 -0000 From: "George Vagner" To: References: <00a701cc71b8$18472a60$48d57f20$@vagner.com> <4E6F2407.6040307@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4E6F2407.6040307@my.gd> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 08:14:20 -0400 Message-ID: <008e01cc720e$ab9f3c70$02ddb550$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-index: Acxx/PHXb89WmVYyS1WlO6RxC02NygAEWwqg Content-language: en-us Subject: RE: ssh with bridged ap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:14:23 -0000 I was thinking that maybe because the wired interface doesn't actually have An IP address it is a reverse lookup thing. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Damien Fleuriot Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 5:36 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ssh with bridged ap On 9/13/11 3:54 AM, george vagner wrote: > I have set up wireless AP with a static IP and bridged it to my internal > wired network on RE0. > > I can successfully connect with WPA to the wireless network and browse other > computers on the wired net fine, > I can log into the freebsd machine using ssh no problem as long as if I > connect via the wireless network. > > If I try and log into the freebsd machine using the wired network I get a > log in prompt for username > Then I get the password prompt but after typing in my password it always > says login incorrect, it don't do this if I am on the wireless net. > > Maybe something in the sshd config about bridged connections? > Maybe an excerpt from your /var/log/auth.log at that time, too... Might turn out that you don't get anything in /var/log/auth.log which would indicate that, when using the wired IP of the machine, you're actually connecting to another host. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 16:49:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8691065676 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 16:49:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from lariat.net (lariat.net [66.62.230.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1C08FC17 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 16:49:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from WildRover.lariat.net (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.net@lariat.net [66.119.58.2] (may be forged)) by lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00227; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:49:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <201109131649.KAA00227@lariat.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:49:50 -0600 To: Dan Nelson From: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: <20110913151650.GF9801@dan.emsphone.com> References: <201109122350.RAA21916@lariat.net> <201109130443.WAA23650@lariat.net> <201109131021.EAA26090@lariat.net> <20110913151650.GF9801@dan.emsphone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Adam Vande More , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Negative ping times with FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE on older Celeron system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 16:49:53 -0000 At 09:16 AM 9/13/2011, Dan Nelson wrote: >It doesn't roll over in less than a second; it rolls over in 16777215 / >3579545 = 4.6 seconds. Your negative time delta problem isn't due to >rollover. If that's indeed the case, the kernel must be doing the math wrong. I wonder how many other systems this is affecting. --Brett Glass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 17:24:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 761C8106566B for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:24:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout028.mac.com (asmtpout028.mac.com [17.148.16.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A65B8FC1A for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:24:57 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp028.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LRH00ACZ1PJR250@asmtp028.mac.com> for questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:24:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-09-13_06:2011-09-13, 2011-09-13, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1109130195 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <201109131649.KAA00227@lariat.net> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:24:55 -0700 Message-id: <80A6E751-9A62-4E58-A0DD-707B39C006DB@mac.com> References: <201109122350.RAA21916@lariat.net> <201109130443.WAA23650@lariat.net> <201109131021.EAA26090@lariat.net> <20110913151650.GF9801@dan.emsphone.com> <201109131649.KAA00227@lariat.net> To: Brett Glass X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: FreeBSD Questions List Subject: Re: Negative ping times with FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE on older Celeron system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:24:57 -0000 [ ...combining two emails... ] On Sep 13, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Brett Glass wrote: > If that's indeed the case, the kernel must be doing the math wrong. While there have undoubtedly have been kernel bugs with timekeeping (and there may be more still present), it's not uncommon for hardware issues to cause one or more of the available time sources to be broken. On a good day, the clock source is broken obviously enough that the kernel notices it during testing during boot and gives it a negative quality score. Other times, the clock becomes broken only after the box suspends and resumes from an ACPI S# state, or does frequency changes for power/thermal management, etc. > Ironically, it was the kernel that selected the ACPI timer, scoring it higher > than the timestamp counter as a clock source. Perhaps code should be added to > ensure that the timer is not chosen if it rolls over in less than a second, > since this clearly leads to imprecision and missed rollovers. The kernel attempts to notice problems when it probes for the various clocks during boot (ie, dev/acpica/acpi_hpet.c, dev/acpica/acpi_timer.c, etc); for ACPI, see acpi_timer_probe() & acpi_timer_test(). Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 17:36:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9ADB1065677 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:36:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rnavaza@hotmail.com) Received: from dub0-omc4-s3.dub0.hotmail.com (dub0-omc4-s3.dub0.hotmail.com [157.55.2.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57ACE8FC24 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:36:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DUB102-W33 ([157.55.2.71]) by dub0-omc4-s3.dub0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:24:03 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [81.194.42.137] From: Rafael NAVAZA To: Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:24:02 +0200 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2011 17:24:03.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[EEDCECA0:01CC7239] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Intel 82573E NIC and BMC with FreeBSD 8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:36:10 -0000 Hi there=2C I added a M3291 BMC on a TYAN S5197 motherboard and I'm trying to make it w= ork with FreeBSD 8. I first tried to set it up with Linux=2C and it was pretty annoying ... What TYAN DID say to do is : - DOS=2C flash the S5197 Motherboard with the latest BIOS=20 - DOS=2C flash the M3291 BMC with the correct Firmware - DOS=2C flash the Intel NIC (82573E) EEProm to enable IPMI - DOS=2C configure the MAC/IP of the BMC (I choose a BMC MAC different from= the NIC MAC=2C and of course an IP different from the host) - LINUX=2C "modprobe ipmi_si type=3Dkcs ports=3D0xca8 irqs=3D0 regspacings= =3D4" All that is correct but not sufficient because I can only access to the BMC= locally !!! WHAT TYAN FORGOT TO SAY IS : - DOS=2C declare the BMC MAC on the Intel NIC (82573E) EEProm "eeupdate.exe= /NIC=3D1 /MNGMAC=3D00:E0:81:XX:XX:XX" - LINUX=2C "modprobe e1000e CrcStripping=3D0" Now it works with Linux :D Now it is the FreeBSD turn :) Well=2C it doesn't work "as is" ... : - FREEBSD=2C "kldload ipmi" -> doesn't give access to the BMC locally - FREEBSD=2C "ifconfig_em0=3DDHCP" -> makes the BMC to stop responding My question : is there any equivalent in FreeBSD of the Linux kernel parame= ters that I have previously used ? Any help would be appreciated =3B)=20 Regards=2C Rafael NAVAZA. = From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 18:34:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB0DD1065672 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:34:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toomas.aas@raad.tartu.ee) Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee (kuller.raad.tartu.ee [213.184.43.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C998FC14 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:34:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id E667C3982C; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:34:56 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at post.raad.tartu.ee Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee ([127.0.0.1]) by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (kuller.raad.tartu.ee [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id c3CkDXpd-DFx; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:34:56 +0300 (EEST) Received: by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (Postfix, from userid 80) id 84E1D39825; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:34:55 +0300 (EEST) Received: from 76.20.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee (76.20.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee [90.190.20.76]) by webmail.raad.tartu.ee (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:34:55 +0300 Message-ID: <20110913213455.13173j2cbkatj4g0@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:34:55 +0300 From: Toomas Aas To: Chuck Swiger References: <20110913001445.15346yix2qz78j4s@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> <8732CB9D-4085-47B6-A9F2-0EC9A3351D26@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <8732CB9D-4085-47B6-A9F2-0EC9A3351D26@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.7) X-Originating-IP: 90.190.20.76 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:55:04 +0000 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crash when copying large files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:34:58 -0000 T, 13 sept 2011 kirjutas Chuck Swiger : > If you want a workaround to avoid the crash, consider using either > rsync or dump/restore to copy the filesystem, rather than using tar. Just to let everyone know, rsync worked fine. Of course there is still some underlying problem, because the system shouldn't panic when using tar, but considering that this is FreeBSD 7.3 it is probably not worth investigating now that 9 is almost released. Thanks everyone for the suggestions. -- Toomas Aas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 19:04:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAAD81065670 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:04:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 940AB8FC1B for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:04:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyf2 with SMTP id 2so901689gyf.13 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:04:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.42.87 with SMTP id r23mr9684118ibe.75.1315940689934; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.231.33.10 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:04:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110911171408.GA62500@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> References: <20110909062121.GA28440@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20110911171408.GA62500@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:04:49 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: R1Nh4yLBwmoji3njFvZNZh6bEYk Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: Victor Sudakov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: Re: Need an audio multicasting solution X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:04:51 -0000 On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Alejandro Imass wrote: >> > >> > I need a solution to read sound from a soundcard (/dev/dsp) and [...] > Alejandro, correct me if I am wrong but AFAIK Icecast works with mp3 Yep, actually ogg Vorbis and Theora basically and also MP3 ano other over shoutcast, AFAIK, > files. Can it really read audio from /dev/dsp? I don't need mp3, I Icecast needs a "source client" to feed the stream. I use Internet DJ on a separate machine to feed to the Icecast server and distribute from there to almost any player. [...] -- Alejandro From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 19:11:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4367D106564A for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:11:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE478FC15 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:11:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyf2 with SMTP id 2so908483gyf.13 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:11:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.20.159 with SMTP id f31mr9604798ibb.26.1315941084032; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.231.33.10 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:11:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110912055755.GA79151@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> References: <20110909062121.GA28440@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20110912055755.GA79151@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:11:23 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ye5PEmZp4jYbPp4zfT4Kbum9WSg Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: Victor Sudakov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: Re: Need an audio multicasting solution X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:11:25 -0000 On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:57 AM, Victor Sudakov wrote: [...] > > A quick look at Icecast showed that it does not support multicast either. > It this true? If so, Icecast is completely useless for my scenario. > AFAIK very few media streamers (or none) actually support real IPv4 (Class D) Multicast. They support what is known as "application multicast" akin to a multi-process/multi-threaded Web server. I don't know much about real IPv4 Multicast but I've heard it's not that easy to do in the real world and would probably require coordination with your ISP unless you're multicasting in a private networks. Again, IMHO because I've never even attempted multicasting. Why do you need multicasting anyway? -- Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 19:34:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A92106566B for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:34:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1928FC14 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:34:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6AB28E80502; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:34:45 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110913193442.GA11369@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 25 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Subject: *caution* severely OT!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:34:46 -0000 guys, can anyone start me on the way of porting a python program to C? tia, gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 19:41:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D385106566B for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:41:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout026.mac.com (asmtpout026.mac.com [17.148.16.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 763C88FC14 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:41:26 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp026.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LRH008T780I8Z20@asmtp026.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:41:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-09-13_06:2011-09-13, 2011-09-13, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1109130228 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <20110913193442.GA11369@thought.org> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:41:06 -0700 Message-id: <3096803A-0498-4DBC-9C59-76DECE2EC3EB@mac.com> References: <20110913193442.GA11369@thought.org> To: Gary Kline X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: *caution* severely OT!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:41:26 -0000 On Sep 13, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > can anyone start me on the way of porting a python program to C? Learn Python. Learn C. Analyze the Python program and document its functionality. Use this document as the functional spec for writing the C program. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 19:46:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B964106566B for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:46:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047028FC0A for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:46:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-64-49.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.64.49]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p8DJk3sM044028; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:46:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <4E6FB2FB.7080605@bananmonarki.se> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:46:03 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110821 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ofloo References: <1315401205523-4778460.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <1315401205523-4778460.post@n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hellanzb, segmentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:46:07 -0000 2011-09-07 15:13, Ofloo skrev: > For some reason, hellanzb keeps segmentating whenever it is processing > something, .. now i was wondering how i could debug it, .. cause nothing > other then except segmentation doesn't show up anywhere. So at least i can > find out what is going on, .. > > I’m using python2.7, .. and the latest hellanzb from FreeBSD8.2 ports tree. Have set this config option? # Uncomment this line to log DEBUG messages to the specified file #Hellanzb.DEBUG_MODE = '/var/tmp/hellanzb-debug.log' From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 19:51:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A54106566C for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:51:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f177.google.com (mail-gx0-f177.google.com [209.85.161.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C62B98FC13 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:51:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk23 with SMTP id 23so1302604gxk.36 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:51:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.20.159 with SMTP id f31mr9659606ibb.26.1315943470064; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.231.33.10 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:51:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110913193442.GA11369@thought.org> References: <20110913193442.GA11369@thought.org> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:51:10 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: yiUAVb3yIh2D-EeNzlgdGDp-hZY Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: Gary Kline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: *caution* severely OT!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:51:11 -0000 On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > guys, > > can anyone start me on the way of porting a python program to C? > tia, > Porting as in re-write and it will depend on the complexity and perhaps objective/motivation of such rewrite. In any case, you will have to re-write the program in C from scratch using the original program only as reference. If your objective is performance, perhaps it's better analyze the bottle necks of the current program and port only those section to C by means of a shared-object lib. I do this with Perl and XS. I dunno how it's done in Python but I understand it's just as easy. Python and Perl and many of the so-called "scripting languages"are actually byte compiled and have very good performance so it may make more economic sense to go for hybrid solution instead of a full re-write to C. If your objective is having a single executable with a few dependencies, then you could settle for something like Perl PAR but for Python. If your objective is distributing closed-source binaries then you have to re-write to a fully compiled language such as C. Can you shed some light on why you want to do this? --=20 Alejandro > gary > > > -- > =A0Gary Kline =A0kline@thought.org =A0http://www.thought.org =A0Public Se= rvice Unix > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.o= rg > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought= .org > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 20:07:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC2F106566B for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 20:07:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sarang.chepe@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854E28FC0C for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 20:07:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yib19 with SMTP id 19so966074yib.13 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 13:07:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=PjGyTHDmIQfUZohCsXIry8NCrUCwnmVnlwaXP+BisRI=; b=THA4BHJdZ2Xqlz/PjJlQrNphLirLnozmHZwYOdgCml/v/nOOF8x2S3lOXkTXMmoiJO gAMN9s1b/6p54hF4A5jIWkJk3m2IiApFD6KkNPbshy1/7QgLuVKHUlMdPEBbbd3Tn1Jd W6GQ5AsIwn7OtvX/5cxlVjQ+tSkhpYVZ7seKk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.161.3 with SMTP id r3mr1557073icx.186.1315943023027; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.223.9 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 01:13:42 +0530 Message-ID: From: "Sarang........." 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 20:42:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC521065670 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 20:42:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-vw0-f44.google.com (mail-vw0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BBD38FC08 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 20:42:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws12 with SMTP id 12so1233000vws.17 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 13:42:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.151.67 with SMTP id b3mr1021058vcw.49.1315946558433; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 13:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.86.77 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 13:42:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.177.157] In-Reply-To: <20110913193442.GA11369@thought.org> References: <20110913193442.GA11369@thought.org> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 22:42:38 +0200 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: Gary Kline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: *caution* severely OT!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 20:42:39 -0000 On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > guys, > > can anyone start me on the way of porting a python program to C? > tia, Gary, if you experience a performance bottleneck somewhere, you may be better off performing some timings to determine the exact cause, and then to port the specific function(s) to a C module. Hints: ctypes, SWIG. Porting the whole program may not be necessary. Save yourself some quality time for other more pleasant tasks in life. ;-) But if you really must, I suggest to port the program to C++ instead of C, because there, you can make use of the excellent STL data types and containers, that match Python's somewhat. You may also consider using boost libraries, if the STL isn't enough. Good luck. > gary -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 21:38:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB038106566C for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:38:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C618FC18 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:38:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.1]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.14.4/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id p8DLboTM026577 ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 23:38:03 +0200 (CEST) X-Ids: 165 Received: from niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.41]) by parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F382321C7D; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 23:37:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: by niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix, from userid 2005) id E0E5D42AE; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 23:37:48 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 23:37:48 +0200 From: Michel Talon To: Gary Kline , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110913213748.GA47026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Miltered: at jchkmail.jussieu.fr with ID 4E6FCD2E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 4E6FCD2E.000/134.157.10.1/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/ Cc: Subject: Re: *caution* severely OT!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: 20110913193442.GA11369@thought.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:38:25 -0000 "C. P. Ghost" wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > > guys, > > > > can anyone start me on the way of porting a python program to C? > > tia, > > Gary, > > if you experience a performance bottleneck somewhere, > you may be better off performing some timings to > determine the exact cause, and then to port the specific > function(s) to a C module. Hints: ctypes, SWIG. Porting > the whole program may not be necessary. Save yourself > some quality time for other more pleasant tasks in life. ;-) > > But if you really must, I suggest to port the program to > C++ instead of C, because there, you can make use of > the excellent STL data types and containers, that match > Python's somewhat. You may also consider using boost > libraries, if the STL isn't enough. I concur with you. If you want just to resolve a bottleneck in python there are very low cost solutions such as using things like pyrex. You have a nice discussion here: http://www.scipy.org/PerformancePython Using pyrex is very similar to programming python but at a single stroke you get huge performance boost. If you want to rewrite the thing entirely, the problem is that python has many high level constructs, like dictionaries, etc. which are very convenient, but that you would need to simulate in C with huge programming cost. While C++ has such things in standard extensions, so, if you are not afraid by the syntactic difficulties of C++ it is a cheaper solution, otherwise it may be terrible. In the case of the example cited above, there was 0 performance benefit of using C++ over pyrex. There is a language which is syntactically very close to python and has the same facilities, but ends up in machine code, this could interest you, it is Common Lisp. Here the translation would be cheap and direct. It may be that the end result is very fast, C-like, or it may be that the end result is almost as slow as python, there is black magic here. -- Michel TALON From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 21:48:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7827D1065673 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:48:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F698FC19 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4C93BE8207D; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 14:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 14:47:59 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: 20110913193442.GA11369@thought.org Message-ID: <20110913214759.GD12076@thought.org> References: <20110913213748.GA47026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110913213748.GA47026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 25 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: *caution* severely OT!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:48:00 -0000 On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:37:48PM +0200, Michel Talon wrote: > Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 23:37:48 +0200 > From: Michel Talon > Subject: Re: *caution* severely OT!! > To: Gary Kline , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > "C. P. Ghost" wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > > > guys, > > > > > > can anyone start me on the way of porting a python program to C? > > > tia, > > > > Gary, > > > > if you experience a performance bottleneck somewhere, > > you may be better off performing some timings to > > determine the exact cause, and then to port the specific > > function(s) to a C module. Hints: ctypes, SWIG. Porting > > the whole program may not be necessary. Save yourself > > some quality time for other more pleasant tasks in life. ;-) > > > > But if you really must, I suggest to port the program to > > C++ instead of C, because there, you can make use of > > the excellent STL data types and containers, that match > > Python's somewhat. You may also consider using boost > > libraries, if the STL isn't enough. > > I concur with you. If you want just to resolve a bottleneck in python > there are very low cost solutions such as using things like pyrex. > You have a nice discussion here: > http://www.scipy.org/PerformancePython > Using pyrex is very similar to programming python but at a single stroke > you get huge performance boost. > > If you want to rewrite the thing entirely, the problem is that python > has many high level constructs, like dictionaries, etc. which are very > convenient, but that you would need to simulate in C with huge > programming cost. While C++ has such things in standard extensions, so, > if you are not afraid by the syntactic difficulties of C++ it is a > cheaper solution, otherwise it may be terrible. > > In the case of the example cited above, there was 0 performance benefit of > using C++ over pyrex. There is a language which is syntactically very > close to python and has the same facilities, but ends up in machine > code, this could interest you, it is Common Lisp. Here the translation > would be cheap and direct. It may be that the end result is very fast, > C-like, or it may be that the end result is almost as slow as python, > there is black magic here. > > > > -- > > Michel TALON Thanks to everyone who replied on and off list. i shoulf have said C or C++. gary > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 22:00:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0069A1065670 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 22:00:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B75B98FC16 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 22:00:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 20702 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 2011 22:00:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2011 22:00:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=oQR2PYL9NrbdjDBWkbAQIPbOI5z3Dp0jkks6R7fiJ9E=; b=cxVCv0mQYZya8BJG68YB1uevR7vI+5zyps4hNQB75SXW3r75F759PR6RaNKWFhWmsW9MIyf5C29g41woeDkvKCimWURrnAp+UOFPbrp8mWDq2bqpozZxIY8h2RNfYGcg; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1R3b1u-0008Il-Aw for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 16:00:35 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:41:31 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:41:31 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110913214131.GA38158@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110913213748.GA47026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ibTvN161/egqYuK8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110913213748.GA47026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: *caution* severely OT!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 22:00:36 -0000 --ibTvN161/egqYuK8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:37:48PM +0200, Michel Talon wrote: >=20 > In the case of the example cited above, there was 0 performance benefit > of using C++ over pyrex. There is a language which is syntactically > very close to python and has the same facilities, but ends up in > machine code, this could interest you, it is Common Lisp. Here the > translation would be cheap and direct. It may be that the end result is > very fast, C-like, or it may be that the end result is almost as slow > as python, there is black magic here. I really don't think I'd say that Common Lisp is "syntactically very close to python [sic]". It's not fair to either Common Lisp or Python, and in any case it really does not strike me as being very accurate at all. Given the deep semantic differences between Common Lisp and Python, I wouldn't say it would be as "cheap and direct" a translation as you describe it, either. I'm not saying Common Lisp would be a bad choice for translation of a Python program to a language that compiles to a binary executable, but your description of the language does not strike me as accurate. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --ibTvN161/egqYuK8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk5vzgsACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWj+QCg1A5mRF+l0LRZWS0MrjqvGQWt J7AAn1ubvcvAUhUlzL1IYvJk82DkGfpC =LDd9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ibTvN161/egqYuK8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 22:17:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F661065673 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 22:17:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F3C8FC15 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 22:17:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyf2 with SMTP id 2so1083267gyf.13 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:17:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.155.137 with SMTP id u9mr317105icw.31.1315952249603; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.231.33.10 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:17:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20110913193442.GA11369@thought.org> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:17:29 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: x2PgNPGhnKjcgMOzRDCk3SMlMQA Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: "C. P. Ghost" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: *caution* severely OT!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 22:17:31 -0000 On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:42 PM, C. P. Ghost wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Gary Kline wrote: >> guys, >> [...] > But if you really must, I suggest to port the program to > C++ instead of C, because there, you can make use of > the excellent STL data types and containers, that match > Python's somewhat. You may also consider using boost > libraries, if the STL isn't enough. I disagree. I wouldn't touch C++ or it's ugly cousin Java with a ten foot pole and, if the matter is a higher-level C-flavor I'd recommend Objective-C instead. Anyway, the OP's issue seems to be a low-level keyboard hack and C is definitively the better choice there, and probably with some required in-line assembly ;-) -- Alejandro Imass > > Good luck. > -- Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 23:10:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B413106564A for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 23:10:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from george@vagner.com) Received: from smtpauth16.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth16.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E7238FC0A for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 23:10:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 30081 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2011 23:03:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (75.197.42.188) by smtpauth16.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.22) with ESMTP; 13 Sep 2011 23:03:40 -0000 From: "george vagner" To: Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:10:14 -0400 Message-ID: <002601cc726a$4daac9c0$e9005d40$@vagner.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 thread-index: AcxyajS5/UhENhjnR0CoaV41LFJD3w== Content-Language: en-us Subject: RE: ssh with bridged ap solved X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 23:10:15 -0000 Allow connections to forwarded ports in sshd config -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of George Vagner Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 8:14 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: ssh with bridged ap I was thinking that maybe because the wired interface doesn't actually have An IP address it is a reverse lookup thing. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Damien Fleuriot Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 5:36 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ssh with bridged ap On 9/13/11 3:54 AM, george vagner wrote: > I have set up wireless AP with a static IP and bridged it to my > internal wired network on RE0. > > I can successfully connect with WPA to the wireless network and browse other > computers on the wired net fine, > I can log into the freebsd machine using ssh no problem as long as if > I connect via the wireless network. > > If I try and log into the freebsd machine using the wired network I > get a log in prompt for username Then I get the password prompt but > after typing in my password it always says login incorrect, it don't > do this if I am on the wireless net. > > Maybe something in the sshd config about bridged connections? > Maybe an excerpt from your /var/log/auth.log at that time, too... Might turn out that you don't get anything in /var/log/auth.log which would indicate that, when using the wired IP of the machine, you're actually connecting to another host. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 09:03:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F78106566C for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 09:03:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591998FC14 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 09:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.1]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.14.4/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id p8E92C8X081651 ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:02:26 +0200 (CEST) X-Ids: 168 Received: from niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.41]) by parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208081FEF1; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:02:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: by niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix, from userid 2005) id 015EC4179; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:02:45 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:02:45 +0200 From: Michel Talon To: Chad Perrin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110914090245.GA65375@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Miltered: at jchkmail.jussieu.fr with ID 4E706DB7.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 4E706DB7.004/134.157.10.1/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/ Cc: Subject: Re: *caution* severely OT!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 09:03:20 -0000 Chad wrote: > I really don't think I'd say that Common Lisp is "syntactically very > close to python [sic]". It's not fair to either Common Lisp or Python, On the contrary python is strikingly similar to a simplified version of lisp without parentesis. It is not an original opinion by far, see the following post of an eminent lisp hacker: http://norvig.com/python-lisp.html Of course lisp is considerably more complex if you begin to use more exotic features, but if you confine yourself to translating python code, it may be almost litteral translation, as explained in the link above. -- Michel TALON From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 09:57:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE47106566B for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 09:57:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nec556@retena.com) Received: from resmaa13.ono.com (smtp13.ono.com [62.42.230.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D76AE8FC16 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 09:57:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from GogPortatil.retena.com (85.219.71.98) by resmaa13.ono.com (8.5.113) (authenticated as nec556@retena.com) id 4E5EF2B0002E5440 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:57:47 +0200 Message-ID: <4E5EF2B0002E5440@> (added by postmaster@resmaa13.ono.com) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:57:47 +0200 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org From: Eduardo Morras In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 10.0.1392 [1520/3896] Cc: Subject: Re: Please secure your FTP access X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 09:57:50 -0000 At 21:43 13/09/2011, Sarang......... wrote: >H! there, > >I have seen your site and also got ftp access.. > >Please secure your ftp acces otherwise anyone can delete your data.... > >Why anyone? even I am also interested in it.. please move your ass >otherwise it will cost you. > >If you are not going to fix this problem then I will delete all the >files tommorrow... > >Take care.. You log in as anonymous user but the user whom owns the ftp is another one (perhaps ftp). The permises you get are r-x (thh last ones) not rwx. HTH >Ethical but Bad Hacker... >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 10:15:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C661065674 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:15:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F25948FC14 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:15:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzs8 with SMTP id zs8so1689379bkb.13 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 03:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.130.131 with SMTP id t3mr2810166bks.360.1315995335810; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 03:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m18sm3361913bkt.12.2011.09.14.03.15.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 14 Sep 2011 03:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E707EC4.8000706@my.gd> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:15:32 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <00a701cc71b8$18472a60$48d57f20$@vagner.com> <4E6F2407.6040307@my.gd> <008e01cc720e$ab9f3c70$02ddb550$@com> In-Reply-To: <008e01cc720e$ab9f3c70$02ddb550$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ssh with bridged ap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:15:37 -0000 Again, your /var/log/auth.log should be very helpful in this matter. Connect on your server with WIFI then do this: tail -f /var/log/auth.log Then, try to connect using the wired connection and see if you get any logs. If you do, post them here :) If you're connecting from a non-windows box, please pass the -v flag to your ssh client to toggle verbose output and post that here too. On 9/13/11 2:14 PM, George Vagner wrote: > I was thinking that maybe because the wired interface doesn't actually have > An IP address it is a reverse lookup thing. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Damien Fleuriot > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 5:36 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: ssh with bridged ap > > On 9/13/11 3:54 AM, george vagner wrote: >> I have set up wireless AP with a static IP and bridged it to my internal >> wired network on RE0. >> >> I can successfully connect with WPA to the wireless network and browse > other >> computers on the wired net fine, >> I can log into the freebsd machine using ssh no problem as long as if I >> connect via the wireless network. >> >> If I try and log into the freebsd machine using the wired network I get a >> log in prompt for username >> Then I get the password prompt but after typing in my password it always >> says login incorrect, it don't do this if I am on the wireless net. >> >> Maybe something in the sshd config about bridged connections? >> > > Maybe an excerpt from your /var/log/auth.log at that time, too... > > Might turn out that you don't get anything in /var/log/auth.log which > would indicate that, when using the wired IP of the machine, you're > actually connecting to another host. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 12:44:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D18106566C for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:44:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495358FC14 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:44:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzs8 with SMTP id zs8so1844160bkb.13 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 05:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.2.139 with SMTP id 11mr2311392bkj.67.1316004278270; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 05:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m18sm91460bkt.12.2011.09.14.05.44.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 14 Sep 2011 05:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E70A1B0.8020103@my.gd> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:44:32 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1315401205523-4778460.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <1315401205523-4778460.post@n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Hellanzb, segmentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:44:40 -0000 On 9/7/11 3:13 PM, Ofloo wrote: > For some reason, hellanzb keeps segmentating whenever it is processing > something, .. now i was wondering how i could debug it, .. cause nothing > other then except segmentation doesn't show up anywhere. So at least i can > find out what is going on, .. > > I’m using python2.7, .. and the latest hellanzb from FreeBSD8.2 ports tree. > > Regards, .. > > -- > View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Hellanzb-segmentation-tp4778460p4778460.html > Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Indirect answer to your question: do like me, switch to sabnzbd . Serving it with an nginx frontend doing PAM authentication, works pretty nicely. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 12:56:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D072D106566B for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:56:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from juvix88@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3508FC14 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk4 with SMTP id 4so1750205qyk.13 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 05:56:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ixytt5RZL1tJdP4bVf0rSViBy6xeXUuvkTqPHuWFd5Q=; b=u/dxhLEMKZIJ2bQvFzBlEr28wyHDAy9iSV5VGyyRrb8KcvPrGxHC07X1+0JFtnQrm9 eNalSm5na1mUQXhWPejKur+vve/MZY7MrpJQBV601kxRpACt9SuVE+6z17lexgNdkq+/ aL65Ob+S0ggU3VoHK9BYsH4eWLFsNM3mB2A2Q= Received: by 10.224.196.73 with SMTP id ef9mr2246724qab.183.1316003685234; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 05:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (ool-18ba4338.dyn.optonline.net. [24.186.67.56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bu8sm1291802qab.4.2011.09.14.05.34.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 14 Sep 2011 05:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E709F62.60705@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:34:42 -0400 From: Jonathan Vomacka User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Recommended SWAP space for large amounts of ram (8GB) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:56:33 -0000 Good morning all, Each operating system seems to have different documentation regarding what a decent swap size is for systems with large amounts of RAM. My system only has 8GB of RAM. Some people have gone with the general idea that 2X the amount of RAM is sufficient but for systems with large amounts of memory 1X the amount of RAM is fine. I was also told that anything over 2GB of SWAP space will cause performance issues on the system and that it is not recommended. Either from the FreeBSD docs, or based on personal experiences, what is the recommended swap space for a 8GB system? Your opinions are greatly appreciated Kind Regards, Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 13:15:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0405106566B for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:15:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from mwi1.coffeenet.org (unknown [IPv6:2607:f4e0:100:300::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC3098FC1E for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:15:33 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=In-Reply-To:Message-Id:From:Mime-Version:Date:References:Subject:To:Content-Type; bh=CETHLZhfWxrbH56y+nR05G9zliIF997eoJ6WUfQTU3s=; b=le6wK1mfM5cCG8+mm0S0UgaqwQqJBRz2Vu9QpzqKhc/bRVob59Txu6oPuTOhMW6ZxwwC82JY5twAuTUmzK/YTmJrxaB7NfN0eYKJkpKOOtijOBtWHbUEGSPjlPlBTCda; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by mwi1.coffeenet.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1R3pJI-0003im-Ec for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:15:33 -0500 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.3) with esmtpsa id 1316006122-52523-52522/4/1; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:15:22 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <1315401205523-4778460.post@n5.nabble.com> <4E70A1B0.8020103@my.gd> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:15:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Felder Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4E70A1B0.8020103@my.gd> User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.51 (FreeBSD) X-SA-Score: -1.0 Cc: Subject: Re: Hellanzb, segmentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:15:34 -0000 On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 07:44:32 -0500, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > Indirect answer to your question: do like me, switch to sabnzbd . > Serving it with an nginx frontend doing PAM authentication, works pretty > nicely. You can serve sabnzbd without using its own built-in webserver? Or are you proxying with password auth? Regards, Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 13:56:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79AF2106564A for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:56:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71EF8FC0A for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:56:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p8EDu231035048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:56:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p8EDu231035048 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1316008562; bh=Hs1fHZZU0BX/PQOX8rQ7P+A9my7CotnSnLxk6H/jxas=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4E70B269.4020900@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20W ed,=2014=20Sep=202011=2014:55:53=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20rv:6.0.2)=20Gecko/2 0110902=20Thunderbird/6.0.2|MIME-Version:=201.0|To:=20Jonathan=20V omacka=20|CC:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|S ubject:=20Re:=20Recommended=20SWAP=20space=20for=20large=20amounts =20of=20ram=20(8GB)|References:=20<4E709F62.60705@gmail.com>|In-Re ply-To:=20<4E709F62.60705@gmail.com>|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.3.1|O penPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20mica lg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B =0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enigF5799931A0D46E8F1C78C2B2"; b=pU2kVuXgPjTDAI0muhaI9aef4+erwjkPwJWYW95lQY3X/7a9tVE/cq84TUF5f9sdT OaqriToFboNpj4vi2FvlQb1Xekg6ewPB//GtqlwLdJNoTE+Os9LUXOsfq8ooVMqSOs nCkqB8s6sO7WhbXG9P+mHInaO+v8pwNA14RmCtjk= Message-ID: <4E70B269.4020900@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:55:53 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Vomacka References: <4E709F62.60705@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E709F62.60705@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigF5799931A0D46E8F1C78C2B2" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.2 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recommended SWAP space for large amounts of ram (8GB) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:56:08 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigF5799931A0D46E8F1C78C2B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 14/09/2011 13:34, Jonathan Vomacka wrote: > Each operating system seems to have different documentation regarding > what a decent swap size is for systems with large amounts of RAM. My > system only has 8GB of RAM. Some people have gone with the general idea= > that 2X the amount of RAM is sufficient but for systems with large > amounts of memory 1X the amount of RAM is fine. I was also told that > anything over 2GB of SWAP space will cause performance issues on the > system and that it is not recommended. >=20 > Either from the FreeBSD docs, or based on personal experiences, what is= > the recommended swap space for a 8GB system? Your opinions are greatly > appreciated The old rule of thumb of swap =3D 2 x RAM dates back to the days when 128MB RAM was a big deal. Nowadays, you're likely to have that much in your phone, and systems with 128GB RAM are not unknown. In these days of plentiful RAM, the new rule of thumb is "if you're swapping, then you're doing it wrong." You don't need anything like as much swap nowadays, at least, not as compensation for lack of RAM. You may need swap to back eg. tmpfs filesystems. You don't need swap nowadays for system dumps -- any partition with ephemeral data (or no data at all) can be used for dumping, and given that minidump capability exists now, you don't even need to supply the 1 x RAM + delta required for a full dump. That swap > 2GB resulted in performance problems was certainly true once, but I doubt very much that it is still the case in HEAD or the upcoming 9.0-RELEASE, nor probably in {7,8}-STABLE. IIRC the problem was due to avoiding integer overflow in some calculations deep inside the VM system, which is usually not a hugely difficult problem to fix. My recommendation: for systems with 1GB RAM or more, and that don't make heavy use of memory filesystems and the like, then 2GB swap is ample, and you can probably get away with as little as 1GB at need. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigF5799931A0D46E8F1C78C2B2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5wsnEACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxgBwCcCZtzerhFhjMas6QRfN0fRLL6 5y4AoIjXSIuMTrWfz4xe8Sl0gajmZmaV =o2No -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigF5799931A0D46E8F1C78C2B2-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 13:57:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195DE106566B for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:57:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from juvix88@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971BD8FC19 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyh15 with SMTP id 15so2205824wyh.13 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 06:57:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=O0Mn2zAJpeTw4VFkFSEQxNBlkAIXP504tZ0odYzzpyA=; b=SoiKRN9hRPIgCxizZJclaMDIuaetOvelEljH2hnfAnpb+jqyESgqhxSgCG3jm4RV23 7oQj/KsY9r2HgBM5M9GebDbL5BzjQ9/c7JRcGMRHe73XMtuip2Irfa2SLRQNjKe45sIx roPmX+qLTXXMerKMfA/v5ObU3/HpKv5ulxDh4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.196.194 with SMTP id eh2mr1133975wbb.52.1316008666534; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 06:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.24.200 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 06:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.24.200 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 06:57:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E70B269.4020900@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <4E709F62.60705@gmail.com> <4E70B269.4020900@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 09:57:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: Jonathan Vomacka To: Matthew Seaman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recommended SWAP space for large amounts of ram (8GB) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:57:48 -0000 Excellent response. Thank you so much. On Sep 14, 2011 9:56 AM, "Matthew Seaman" wrote: > > On 14/09/2011 13:34, Jonathan Vomacka wrote: > > Each operating system seems to have different documentation regarding > > what a decent swap size is for systems with large amounts of RAM. My > > system only has 8GB of RAM. Some people have gone with the general idea > > that 2X the amount of RAM is sufficient but for systems with large > > amounts of memory 1X the amount of RAM is fine. I was also told that > > anything over 2GB of SWAP space will cause performance issues on the > > system and that it is not recommended. > > > > Either from the FreeBSD docs, or based on personal experiences, what is > > the recommended swap space for a 8GB system? Your opinions are greatly > > appreciated > > The old rule of thumb of swap = 2 x RAM dates back to the days when > 128MB RAM was a big deal. Nowadays, you're likely to have that much in > your phone, and systems with 128GB RAM are not unknown. > > In these days of plentiful RAM, the new rule of thumb is "if you're > swapping, then you're doing it wrong." You don't need anything like as > much swap nowadays, at least, not as compensation for lack of RAM. You > may need swap to back eg. tmpfs filesystems. You don't need swap > nowadays for system dumps -- any partition with ephemeral data (or no > data at all) can be used for dumping, and given that minidump capability > exists now, you don't even need to supply the 1 x RAM + delta required > for a full dump. > > That swap > 2GB resulted in performance problems was certainly true > once, but I doubt very much that it is still the case in HEAD or the > upcoming 9.0-RELEASE, nor probably in {7,8}-STABLE. IIRC the problem > was due to avoiding integer overflow in some calculations deep inside > the VM system, which is usually not a hugely difficult problem to fix. > > My recommendation: for systems with 1GB RAM or more, and that don't make > heavy use of memory filesystems and the like, then 2GB swap is ample, > and you can probably get away with as little as 1GB at need. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > -- > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard > Flat 3 > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate > JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 14:10:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7B2106566B for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:10:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@umich.edu) Received: from 28dayslater.mr.itd.umich.edu (28dayslater.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.12.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E498FC0A for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:10:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: FROM hackers.mr.itd.umich.edu (smtp.mail.umich.edu [141.211.14.81]) By 28dayslater.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 4E70AFD0.537A2.17642 ; 14 Sep 2011 09:44:48 EDT Received: FROM itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu (itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu [141.213.135.249]) By hackers.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 4E70AFCF.5D9B.26869 ; Authuser web; 14 Sep 2011 09:44:47 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 09:44:46 -0400 From: William Bulley To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110914134446.GA9714@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Thinkpad audio question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:10:48 -0000 A friend of mine has an IBM T500 Thinkpad which is nearly identical to the one I have. We both have interesting audio issues. Any ideas as to why the problems explained below exist would be greatly appreciated. My T500 shows two devices /dev/mixer0 and /dev/mixer1 corresponding to pcm0 and pcm1 as displayed by % cat /dev/sndstat in 8.2-PRERELEASE from January 2011. I am able to hear audio on the built-in speakers using /dev/mixer1 but not able to hear audio when plugging stereo headphones into the green "audio out" jack. However, the speaker audio is muted when the headphones are plugged in. I have tried two different head sets to rule out flawed hardware. My friend's T500 is more up-to-date than mine (likely 8.2-STABLE) but in his case headphone audio works perfectly and he has had no luck in getting audio out of his built-in laptop speakers. Very weird... This situation sucks, but we have not been able to suss out what the problem is. He and I have been running FreeBSD for over a decade, so we are not clueless, but this laptop audio weirdness has us stumped. Regards, web... -- William Bulley Email: web@umich.edu 72 characters width template ----------------------------------------->| From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 14:20:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A1D01065670 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:20:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8558FC18 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.magehandbook.com (www.darkmindweb.net [192.168.1.100]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A84B262 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 152.121.16.254 (SquirrelMail authenticated user daniel) by www.magehandbook.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:20:53 -0400 Message-ID: <0eb2d303a45322b2e3054f3a31e7c7c4.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <20110914134446.GA9714@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> References: <20110914134446.GA9714@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:20:53 -0400 From: "Daniel Staal" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: Re: Thinkpad audio question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:20:54 -0000 On Wed, September 14, 2011 9:44 am, William Bulley wrote: > A friend of mine has an IBM T500 Thinkpad which is nearly identical to > the one I have. We both have interesting audio issues. Any ideas as > to why the problems explained below exist would be greatly appreciated. > > My T500 shows two devices /dev/mixer0 and /dev/mixer1 corresponding to > pcm0 and pcm1 as displayed by % cat /dev/sndstat in 8.2-PRERELEASE from > January 2011. I am able to hear audio on the built-in speakers using > /dev/mixer1 but not able to hear audio when plugging stereo headphones > into the green "audio out" jack. However, the speaker audio is muted > when the headphones are plugged in. I have tried two different head > sets to rule out flawed hardware. > > My friend's T500 is more up-to-date than mine (likely 8.2-STABLE) but > in his case headphone audio works perfectly and he has had no luck in > getting audio out of his built-in laptop speakers. Very weird... > > This situation sucks, but we have not been able to suss out what the > problem is. He and I have been running FreeBSD for over a decade, so > we are not clueless, but this laptop audio weirdness has us stumped. Quick thought: What versions of the BIOS are each of you running? Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 14:48:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696FB1065672 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:48:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@umich.edu) Received: from tombraider.mr.itd.umich.edu (smtp.mail.umich.edu [141.211.12.86]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 273A78FC15 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:48:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: FROM itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu (itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu [141.213.135.249]) By tombraider.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 4E70BED9.CA500.27600 ; Authuser web; 14 Sep 2011 10:48:57 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:48:57 -0400 From: William Bulley To: Daniel Staal Message-ID: <20110914144857.GF8783@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Daniel Staal , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thinkpad audio question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:48:59 -0000 According to Daniel Staal on Wed, 09/14/11 at 10:20: > > Quick thought: What versions of the BIOS are each of you running? Can't speak for him, but here is the output from biosdecode(8): thinkpad% biosdecode | m # biosdecode 2.10 VPD present. BIOS Build ID: 6FET66WW Box Serial Number: R8XYZ03 Motherboard Serial Number: VQ0VP98J5WA Machine Type/Model: 2081CTO SMBIOS 2.4 present. Structure Table Length: 2627 bytes Structure Table Address: 0x000E0010 Number Of Structures: 74 Maximum Structure Size: 120 bytes BIOS32 Service Directory present. Revision: 0 Calling Interface Address: 0x000FDC80 ACPI 2.0 present. OEM Identifier: LENOVO RSD Table 32-bit Address: 0x7CB6A207 XSD Table 64-bit Address: 0x000000007CB6A273 PNP BIOS 1.0 present. Event Notification: Not Supported Real Mode 16-bit Code Address: E192:1920 Real Mode 16-bit Data Address: 0040:0000 16-bit Protected Mode Code Address: 0x000F8AD7 16-bit Protected Mode Data Address: 0x00000400 I don't know what to make of all this. I hope this answers your above question. :-) Regards, web... -- William Bulley Email: web@umich.edu 72 characters width template ----------------------------------------->| From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 14:49:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC0F1065687 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:49:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh1.interactivevillages.com (ca.2e.7bae.static.theplanet.com [174.123.46.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCCC98FC16 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 184-78-197-203.war.clearwire-wmx.net ([184.78.197.203] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh1.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R3qm7-00086i-B2 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 07:48:56 -0700 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 14 Sep 2011 07:49:17 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 07:49:17 -0700 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110914144916.GB67869@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110914090245.GA65375@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xgyAXRrhYN0wYx8y" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110914090245.GA65375@lpthe.jussieu.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh1.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: *caution* severely OT!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:49:23 -0000 --xgyAXRrhYN0wYx8y Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Michel Talon on Wednesday, 14 September 2011: > Chad wrote: >=20 > > I really don't think I'd say that Common Lisp is "syntactically very > > close to python [sic]". It's not fair to either Common Lisp or Python, >=20 > On the contrary python is strikingly similar to a simplified version of > lisp without parentesis. It is not an original opinion by far, see the > following post of an eminent lisp hacker: > http://norvig.com/python-lisp.html > Of course lisp is considerably more complex if you begin to use more > exotic features, but if you confine yourself to translating python code, > it may be almost litteral translation, as explained in the link above. >=20 The OO systems are quite different. As long as the Python code confines itself to a functional style, then translating to Lisp shouldn't be hard. But rewriting Python classes in CLOS would not be a simple translation. --=20 =2EO. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com =2E.O | sterling@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com OOO | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com --xgyAXRrhYN0wYx8y Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOcL7sAAoJEIpckszW26+RQXwH/iXJ5qARy+qj+Pvo3WDI+vCj z1H3eKqNSHIcm2SO32BjVAGv5Fh3JJ5axQgxfLXjo2GRK5p1ao5ZF+TAeO4vhTKJ 4cfWJa4AmT/lEVp1EaZXJaZvKW6XXle5EEmS8C1jwK9zFrpWS/yLM0VeDDEAs/SB ZCezHYtE0IKuCq0M5qJfmH3YdhRJ7gx8kvqH0a5kUX79RY0z48Dql0jY8XF6HU4X 6MZOcg+oqyadvmMamQzceUd6XTXwJ4WQk6LcV4mCVpQWhm29+PodAwZI5VaQXLLR 51LPqkVor7w+GejCYSxaFa6RVbfCUp1dJu6UzumSt9FatOJBVvpUXBukvbNuwfs= =qJDK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xgyAXRrhYN0wYx8y-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 15:05:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5454106564A for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 15:05:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB8B8FC0C for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 15:05:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzs8 with SMTP id zs8so2004552bkb.13 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.146.83 with SMTP id g19mr108023bkv.349.1316012731790; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z9sm520317bkn.7.2011.09.14.08.05.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E70C2B8.7080908@my.gd> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:05:28 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1315401205523-4778460.post@n5.nabble.com> <4E70A1B0.8020103@my.gd> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Hellanzb, segmentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 15:05:36 -0000 On 9/14/11 3:15 PM, Mark Felder wrote: > On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 07:44:32 -0500, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > >> Indirect answer to your question: do like me, switch to sabnzbd . >> Serving it with an nginx frontend doing PAM authentication, works pretty >> nicely. > > You can serve sabnzbd without using its own built-in webserver? > > Or are you proxying with password auth? > It uses its built-in web server. So what I do is make it bind only on 127.0.0.1:2080 (or whatever port). Then I set nginx up as a frontend, forcing the use of HTTPS and PAM authentication. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 17:10:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18EBE106564A for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:10:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jakub_lach@mailplus.pl) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B053B8FC15 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:10:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R3syz-0001Aq-Sg for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:10:45 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:10:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jakub Lach To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1316020245877-4803609.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <20110914134446.GA9714@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> References: <20110914134446.GA9714@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad audio question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:10:47 -0000 See man snd_hda, you probably need to set device.hints. For example, I with T400 have something like this in device hints: hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid22.config="as=1 seq=15" hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid24.config="as=3" hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid26.config="as=1" hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid29.config="as=2" best regards, Jakub Lach -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Thinkpad-audio-question-tp4802936p4803609.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 17:27:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A0F106564A for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:27:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B408FC0A for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:27:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyh15 with SMTP id 15so2465633wyh.13 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:27:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.179.130 with SMTP id h2mr132370wem.8.1316021241451; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.156.140 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:27:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E70B269.4020900@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <4E709F62.60705@gmail.com> <4E70B269.4020900@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:27:21 -0700 Message-ID: From: Michael Sierchio To: Matthew Seaman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Jonathan Vomacka , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recommended SWAP space for large amounts of ram (8GB) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:27:23 -0000 On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > ... In these days of plentiful RAM, the new rule of thumb is "if you're > swapping, then you're doing it wrong." I think your response follows the excellent pedagogical principle: "a little inaccuracy saves a lot of explanation." But... disk is still (by far) the cheapest commodity, and the opportunistic paging algorithm manages VM very well. VM is not by any means obsolete, and seeing paging behavior is not a sign of a misconfigured system. Regards, - Michael From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 18:10:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58245106566C for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:10:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email2.allantgroup.com (email2.emsphone.com [199.67.51.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E38C88FC08 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:10:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email2.allantgroup.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p8DFGoBK069932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:16:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p8DFGoYj034298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:16:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id p8DFGorG034297; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:16:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:16:50 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Brett Glass Message-ID: <20110913151650.GF9801@dan.emsphone.com> References: <201109122350.RAA21916@lariat.net> <201109130443.WAA23650@lariat.net> <201109131021.EAA26090@lariat.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201109131021.EAA26090@lariat.net> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.2 at email2.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (email2.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:16:51 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 199.67.51.78 Cc: Adam Vande More , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Negative ping times with FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE on older Celeron system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:10:51 -0000 In the last episode (Sep 13), Brett Glass said: > Thank you! Since it's tunable at runtime I just tested it, and -- sure > enough -- no negative ping times. > > Ironically, it was the kernel that selected the ACPI timer, scoring it > higher than the timestamp counter as a clock source. Perhaps code should > be added to ensure that the timer is not chosen if it rolls over in less > than a second, since this clearly leads to imprecision and missed > rollovers. > > kern.timecounter.tc.ACPI-safe.mask: 16777215 > kern.timecounter.tc.ACPI-safe.counter: 7967112 > kern.timecounter.tc.ACPI-safe.frequency: 3579545 > kern.timecounter.tc.ACPI-safe.quality: 850 It doesn't roll over in less than a second; it rolls over in 16777215 / 3579545 = 4.6 seconds. Your negative time delta problem isn't due to rollover. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 18:27:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F8771065672 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:27:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from juvix88@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f49.google.com (mail-qw0-f49.google.com [209.85.216.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6134A8FC12 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:27:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwm25 with SMTP id 25so2351133qwm.22 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:27:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bUVFeUPmEuDkVlmXWID+NMKNAw35upV9yQ9397ZLiI4=; b=YyZXNdehr6E89zTraYZUkv8IP+oV6rxMpp1fQxdrUB8mN8wJkvLNairnteix87aYMJ 81MhvyFYyaRy1t8cmRkRLNJWNo5oD/DqBH4xFhTmiKiN4J2dIlZMgsqCvqCQj22bq2cU OtjJ8V8oBcxUnv8Iltd75jufrP6Tk6+zQQEOs= Received: by 10.224.173.131 with SMTP id p3mr159303qaz.150.1316024829555; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (ool-18ba4338.dyn.optonline.net. [24.186.67.56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dv3sm5261735qab.12.2011.09.14.11.27.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E70F1FA.1040407@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:27:06 -0400 From: Jonathan Vomacka User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD 8.2 Partition Sizing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:27:10 -0000 Good afternoon, In regards to partitioning, I have a question regarding a "rumor" that has been told to me by various different linux experts, and I wanted to confirm if this also takes place with FreeBSD Unix. In the past, I have always had the root filesystem (/) and the /usr filesystem all on seperate partitions. I was told that having /usr on a seperate partition is an "old" way of doing things and actually causes issues when /usr is mounted separately from root (/). Does this play true in FreeBSD or is that thought process nonsense? I was told to create a larger root filesystem and NOT create usr seperately as /usr will mount off the root filesystem anyway. Will there be any issues by having /usr on a separate partition then root? I will like to know any opinions on this, as well as suggestions based on how other FreeBSD guru's have their server setups. Any suggestions on partitioning schema's for a general LAMP stack server, and maybe some gameservers would be GREATLY appreciated. Kind Regards, Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 18:31:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F12B106564A for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:31:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout028.mac.com (asmtpout028.mac.com [17.148.16.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC658FC08 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:31:46 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp028.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LRI00GO5ZGMZ650@asmtp028.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:31:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-09-14_05:2011-09-14, 2011-09-14, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1109140216 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <4E70F1FA.1040407@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:31:34 -0700 Message-id: <957E5375-556A-4145-9508-4354B31DCB25@mac.com> References: <4E70F1FA.1040407@gmail.com> To: Jonathan Vomacka X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 8.2 Partition Sizing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:31:47 -0000 On Sep 14, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Jonathan Vomacka wrote: > In regards to partitioning, I have a question regarding a "rumor" that has been told to me by various different linux experts, and I wanted to confirm if this also takes place with FreeBSD Unix. In the past, I have always had the root filesystem (/) and the /usr filesystem all on seperate partitions. I was told that having /usr on a seperate partition is an "old" way of doing things and actually causes issues when /usr is mounted separately from root (/). Does this play true in FreeBSD or is that thought process nonsense? I was told to create a larger root filesystem and NOT create usr seperately as /usr will mount off the root filesystem anyway. Will there be any issues by having /usr on a separate partition then root? I will like to know any opinions on this, as well as suggestions based on how other FreeBSD guru's have their server setups. There is nothing wrong with having / and /usr on separate partitions; in fact, there are some mild advantages to fine-grained partitioning for folks who pay attention to their filesystem space usage. However, there is nothing wrong with a single root partition (well, and swap partition), either. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 18:51:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DD1106564A for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:51:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44BE28FC0A for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p8EIpE1U038964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 14 Sep 2011 19:51:20 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p8EIpE1U038964 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1316026280; bh=QE77antiX+YUtz9iFBfAcWFHD6SIBqMxliVJzFeksNM=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4E70F79A.3090806@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20W ed,=2014=20Sep=202011=2019:51:06=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20rv:6.0.2)=20Gecko/2 0110902=20Thunderbird/6.0.2|MIME-Version:=201.0|To:=20Michael=20Si erchio=20|CC:=20Jonathan=20Vomacka=20,=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Recom mended=20SWAP=20space=20for=20large=20amounts=20of=20ram=20(8GB)|R eferences:=20<4E709F62.60705@gmail.com>=20<4E70B269.4020900@infrac aninophile.co.uk>=20|In-Reply-To:=20|X-Enigmail-Versio n:=201.3.1|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Content-Type:=20multipart/sign ed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-s ignature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enigFA081D3548B0033F9 C0CCC4C"; b=r7Wiqn52YSnn/HgLRCcGOpndGoz5YPw6AYiRyYmQW/KYMxN6EIFjQ3z0j0rFiuNuI 2AyDCnoenaVbF76l0UKVblJqguD807YFxiLy7H8X5XaTXAKRfzlUa3u1pdlrpWjxMN JifuFdik85kQ+gc0EM8/3jhLIaAaKfsRAjp8QdkA= Message-ID: <4E70F79A.3090806@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 19:51:06 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Sierchio References: <4E709F62.60705@gmail.com> <4E70B269.4020900@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigFA081D3548B0033F9C0CCC4C" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.2 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Jonathan Vomacka , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recommended SWAP space for large amounts of ram (8GB) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:51:24 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigFA081D3548B0033F9C0CCC4C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 14/09/2011 18:27, Michael Sierchio wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Matthew Seaman > wrote: >=20 >> > ... In these days of plentiful RAM, the new rule of thumb is "if you= 're >> > swapping, then you're doing it wrong." > I think your response follows the excellent pedagogical principle: "a > little inaccuracy saves a lot of explanation." But... disk is still > (by far) the cheapest commodity, and the opportunistic paging > algorithm manages VM very well. VM is not by any means obsolete, and > seeing paging behavior is not a sign of a misconfigured system. Well, yes. I was certainly glossing over a lot of complexity -- but I would maintain that I am fundamentally correct. Having some pages swapped out is absolutely not a problem. True. In fact, it's a positive benefit: swapping out memory pages that are exceedingly rarely referenced makes more room in RAM for more actively used pages. On the other hand, having pages continually swapping in and out definitely is a problem in terms of performance, given that disk IO takes of the order of milliseconds, while reference to main RAM is of the order of microseconds or less. Orders of magnitude faster. Now, while disk may well be the much the cheapest storage medium available, that's only part of the expense. In fact, up-front capital expenditure on the kit (perhaps several thousand pounds/euros/dollars) is outweighed by the operational expense (power, cooling, hardware support etc.) over the life of the equipment, so spending a bit more (capex) on components that run at lower power (opex) makes a lot of sense. Even more, if the server is being used for eg. e-Commerce, then the volume of the transactions and the data processed by the server makes all the difference to your margin: the more you can do with the same hardware - viz, the more efficiently and faster you can make the hardware run - then the more profit you make. Buying more RAM is peanuts on that scale. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigFA081D3548B0033F9C0CCC4C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5w96IACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxIhgCdHpcHs3jMkJ2ZxiP8rBBP3Kp1 gKEAn2NLULVNc2fcGaY9/lSCPnkNXVlv =dGy2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigFA081D3548B0033F9C0CCC4C-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 18:55:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E660106566B for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:55:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1E28FC12 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:55:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p8EItVHt039061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 14 Sep 2011 19:55:32 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p8EItVHt039061 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1316026532; bh=QdBIJlYwfBkEWhWRtXTq55QNsP+MPE8lekUUbwgx/3Q=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4E70F8A3.4010700@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20W ed,=2014=20Sep=202011=2019:55:31=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20rv:6.0.2)=20Gecko/2 0110902=20Thunderbird/6.0.2|MIME-Version:=201.0|To:=20freebsd-ques tions@freebsd.org|CC:=20Chuck=20Swiger=20,=20Jona than=20Vomacka=20|Subject:=20Re:=20FreeBSD=208. 2=20Partition=20Sizing=20question|References:=20<4E70F1FA.1040407@ gmail.com>=20<957E5375-556A-4145-9508-4354B31DCB25@mac.com>|In-Rep ly-To:=20<957E5375-556A-4145-9508-4354B31DCB25@mac.com>|X-Enigmail -Version:=201.3.1|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Content-Type:=20multipa rt/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"applicatio n/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig4E5912762F BC4D3781E83DC7"; b=p7HkeY7Yjk4SVMnvaK2nhN1D97v6IwZaIXnatNuN+LJxPKhF/K5Q3v7gWB5IUFaPl S9epvqtWkhHYH2Jqu34vKHT7X8f6I+iXpqgyfLY3oUlL3dfAjWVldCOPkzkUMCYYxj TFDfEMT4ZJYMHbUcZG1yVD9Dbquvay/HjAvsZ//k= Message-ID: <4E70F8A3.4010700@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 19:55:31 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4E70F1FA.1040407@gmail.com> <957E5375-556A-4145-9508-4354B31DCB25@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <957E5375-556A-4145-9508-4354B31DCB25@mac.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig4E5912762FBC4D3781E83DC7" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.2 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Jonathan Vomacka Subject: Re: FreeBSD 8.2 Partition Sizing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:55:36 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig4E5912762FBC4D3781E83DC7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 14/09/2011 19:31, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Sep 14, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Jonathan Vomacka wrote: >>> In regards to partitioning, I have a question regarding a "rumor" >>> that has been told to me by various different linux experts, and >>> I wanted to confirm if this also takes place with FreeBSD Unix. >>> In the past, I have always had the root filesystem (/) and the >>> /usr filesystem all on seperate partitions. I was told that >>> having /usr on a seperate partition is an "old" way of doing >>> things and actually causes issues when /usr is mounted separately >>> from root (/). Does this play true in FreeBSD or is that thought >>> process nonsense? I was told to create a larger root filesystem >>> and NOT create usr seperately as /usr will mount off the root >>> filesystem anyway. Will there be any issues by having /usr on a >>> separate partition then root? I will like to know any opinions on >>> this, as well as suggestions based on how other FreeBSD guru's >>> have their server setups. > There is nothing wrong with having / and /usr on separate partitions; > in fact, there are some mild advantages to fine-grained partitioning > for folks who pay attention to their filesystem space usage. > However, there is nothing wrong with a single root partition (well, > and swap partition), either. Use ZFS and you can put / and /usr on different filesystems (zfses), without any need to worry about not having made any of those filesystems big enough. (Since all the free space is held in common for all of the zfses on the same zpool.) The best of both worlds. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig4E5912762FBC4D3781E83DC7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5w+KMACgkQ8Mjk52CukIx6VACfe/zLZRWf0Lvli3nVQqFJoRWQ hUsAnjhhAUnRHrZIWPwXTy4JU/fcc3bm =6TM8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig4E5912762FBC4D3781E83DC7-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 18:56:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8F71065670 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:56:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D320C8FC13 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:56:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk4 with SMTP id 4so2200032qyk.13 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.214.9 with SMTP id gy9mr197655qab.79.1316026594565; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-105-057.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.105.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id du5sm5325672qab.14.2011.09.14.11.56.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3RzXCh19MJz2CG54 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:56:31 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110914145631.56603a09@scorpio> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Brother MFC-8890DW printer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:56:36 -0000 I have an opportunity to pick up a Brother MFC-8890DW printer at a fantastic price. There is a Linux driver for CUPS available at: This is obviously not a high end unit; however, I feel I could probably get fair results out of it. It is not a "color" printer so it will only be used for normal b/w documents. I plan to hook it up to my router using a wireless setup on my home network. I am not worried about my Windows machines since it will obviously work; however, I want to know it this printer works as designed with FreeBSD. I doubt that the FAX function would be used at all via FreeBSD, if it is used at all. I have a dedicated FAX. However, the copy and scan functions would be important. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 19:35:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF07106566B for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 19:35:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 101C98FC12 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 19:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iadk27 with SMTP id k27so674820iad.13 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:35:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.81.198 with SMTP id y6mr310584ibk.62.1316028935409; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.231.33.10 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:35:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110914145631.56603a09@scorpio> References: <20110914145631.56603a09@scorpio> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 15:35:35 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1a5pBkhgI29lq_n5hqRTSUKQWr4 Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Brother MFC-8890DW printer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 19:35:36 -0000 On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Jerry wrote: > I have an opportunity to pick up a Brother MFC-8890DW printer at a > fantastic price. There is a Linux driver for CUPS available at: > > > This is obviously not a high end unit; however, I feel I could > probably get fair results out of it. It is not a "color" printer so > it will only be used for normal b/w documents. I plan to hook it up to > my router using a wireless setup on my home network. > > I am not worried about my Windows machines since it will obviously work; > however, I want to know it this printer works as designed with FreeBSD. > I doubt that the FAX function would be used at all via FreeBSD, if it > is used at all. I have a dedicated FAX. However, the copy and scan > functions would be important. > My 0.02: For printing you will most likely get IPP printing a generic PostScript driver to work with this printer, and obviously by using the provided PPD by Brother. In this case FreeBSD CUPS server will act as a client to the printer which really is it's own print server. If you get it to work with IPP you shouldn't really need a driver as such, just the appropriate filter to work (i.e. the PPD file). Scanning is probably going to be harder. All front-end sane programs support the "net" driver but I think that is limited to saned, the networked version of sane. I have used saned and I scan remotely with saned but the actual sane driver is running on the machine that has the device physically attached to it. Again in your case, the scanner itself provides some scanner protocol (i.e. the scanner is the scanning server sever) and it's probably not open nor compatible with the front-end sane applications. Sane as such has poor support for Brother: http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-BROTHER But, many times these multi-function machines are OEM by others (Samsung, Xerox, etc) especially if the scanner is ADF maybe the hw is actually Canon or Fujitsu. So maybe the chipset is actually compatible with other sane drivers. On the other hand, Brother seems to be quite Linux friendly: http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/index.html >From what I saw real quick it could be quite possible to get the Linux Brother network scanner driver to work on FBSD/Sane by means of Linuxator, even the "network" scanning: http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/instruction_s= cn1b.html So resuming: - It's very probable that a CUPS server (actually client in this case) will print on this network device. Probably via IPP using the provided PPD by Brother or generic Postscript I think will work for sure. - The networks scanner seems to be supported by Brother on Linux, IMO if you set-up sane at the linuxator level and you get scanimage to work inside linuxator, it will be a breeze to enable saned and scan natively from sane on FBSD. In this scenario, the native front-end sane programs (scanimage, xsane, etc.) will talk to a saned network driver daemon in Linuxator and this one in turn will talk to the networked scanner. --=20 Alejandro > -- > Jerry =E2=9C=8C > jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net > > Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. > Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. > > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 19:38:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5D4106566B for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 19:38:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50F98FC08 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 19:38:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyh15 with SMTP id 15so2622797wyh.13 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:38:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qSsND1E2JiVlxJweEiEMD47VIczgSWsMtx8hm4huhks=; b=uBT/x7uM7zoNi1Jc4OG7+Kox4hMYvgRAXtNY92UTbNJUaqcqCn3bpxg6/V158xSXHj bRofeP1lrSpuAs4nvX973WIBdpqkE3PlGpN+CJbwef8K+pW6RiMES1nvSF+E541Skc29 wQjx30FKiJKAurtsEJJGDh80F2UcGibdG/o/I= Received: by 10.227.6.11 with SMTP id 11mr224120wbx.87.1316029136691; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r27sm5202517wbn.10.2011.09.14.12.38.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:38:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:38:51 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110914203851.41fa717a@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <4E70B269.4020900@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <4E709F62.60705@gmail.com> <4E70B269.4020900@infracaninophile.co.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Recommended SWAP space for large amounts of ram (8GB) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 19:38:58 -0000 On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:55:53 +0100 Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 14/09/2011 13:34, Jonathan Vomacka wrote: > > Either from the FreeBSD docs, or based on personal experiences, > > what is the recommended swap space for a 8GB system? Your opinions > > are greatly appreciated > > The old rule of thumb of swap = 2 x RAM dates back to the days when > 128MB RAM was a big deal. Nowadays, you're likely to have that much > in your phone, and systems with 128GB RAM are not unknown. > > In these days of plentiful RAM, the new rule of thumb is "if you're > swapping, then you're doing it wrong." There is a caveat that on desktop grade motherboards, expanding beyond 8GB can slow the system down, as populating 4 slots can cause the memory to run at a slower speed. > My recommendation: for systems with 1GB RAM or more, and that don't > make heavy use of memory filesystems and the like, then 2GB swap is > ample, and you can probably get away with as little as 1GB at need. If you have 8GB of ram and you can get away with 1GB of swap, then you presumably could get away with none. This question recently came up on "hackers", and someone posted top output from a 12GB system showing a 23GB openoffice process and 21GB of swap in use after opening a large spreadsheet file. I think there's a reasonable case for providing enough swap to cope with abnormal memory use. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 20:06:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F787106566B for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:06:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@umich.edu) Received: from hackers.mr.itd.umich.edu (smtp.mail.umich.edu [141.211.14.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9FB8FC1A for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:06:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: FROM itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu (itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu [141.213.135.249]) By hackers.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 4E71093A.C099F.13588 ; Authuser web; 14 Sep 2011 16:06:18 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:06:18 -0400 From: William Bulley To: Jakub Lach Message-ID: <20110914200618.GA12098@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Jakub Lach , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thinkpad audio question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:06:20 -0000 According to Jakub Lach on Wed, 09/14/11 at 13:10: > > See man snd_hda, you probably need to set device.hints. > > For example, I with T400 have something like this in > device hints: > > hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid22.config="as=1 seq=15" > hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid24.config="as=3" > hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid26.config="as=1" > hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid29.config="as=2" Thanks. This looks very promising. It is too bad the man page is so "busy" and complex... :-( I had viewed this man page before, but I hoped I would never have to deal with the details. And I haven't until now... :-) One thing that could be made more clear is the lack of how to invoke the "verbose" or "report"ing mode. The word "verbose" appears just three (3!) times in the man page, but there is no explicit description of how to get the driver to provide a verbose report. The word "report" in the EXAMPLES section refers to an HP/Compaq system housing a Realtek ALC888 HDA codec whose "driver" can list the default pin configuration as show. Except the man page never explains how. :-( After a great deal of back and forth, I finally "discovered" the "hint" dev.hdac.%d.pindump just above the EXAMPLES section. As soon as I put that entry in my /etc/sysctl.conf file (dev.hdac.0.pindump=1) and did a reboot, the following appeared in my dmesg(8) output: :-) mem 0xfc020000-0xfc023fff irq 17 at device 27.0 on pci0 High Definition Audio Controller Driver Revision: 20100226_0142 HDA Codec #0: Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa) HDA Codec #1: Conexant (Unknown) <<<<<===== this seems confusing... Dumping AFG cad=0 nid=1 pins: nid 22 0x022140f0 as 15 seq 0 Headphones Jack jack 1 loc 2 color Green misc 0 Caps: OUT HP Sense: 0x7fffffff nid 23 0x61a190f0 as 15 seq 0 Mic None jack 1 loc 33 color Pink misc 0 [DISABLED] Caps: IN VREF Sense: 0x7fffffff nid 24 0x02a190f0 as 15 seq 0 Mic Jack jack 1 loc 2 color Pink misc 0 Caps: IN VREF Sense: 0x7fffffff nid 25 0x40f000f0 as 15 seq 0 Other None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 0 [DISABLED] Caps: OUT Sense: 0x7fffffff nid 26 0x901701f0 as 15 seq 0 Speaker Fixed jack 7 loc 16 color Unknown misc 1 Caps: OUT EAPD nid 27 0x40f001f0 as 15 seq 0 Other None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 1 [DISABLED] Caps: OUT EAPD nid 28 0x40f001f0 as 15 seq 0 Other None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 1 [DISABLED] Caps: OUT nid 29 0x90a601f0 as 15 seq 0 Mic Fixed jack 6 loc 16 color Unknown misc 1 Caps: IN NumGPIO=4 NumGPO=0 NumGPI=0 GPIWake=0 GPIUnsol=1 GPIO: data=0x00000000 enable=0x00000000 direction=0x00000000 wake=0x00000000 unsol=0x00000000 sticky=0x00000000 Dumping AFG cad=0 nid=1 pins: nid 22 0x022140f0 as 15 seq 0 Headphones Jack jack 1 loc 2 color Green misc 0 Caps: OUT HP Sense: 0x7fffffff nid 23 0x61a190f0 as 15 seq 0 Mic None jack 1 loc 33 color Pink misc 0 [DISABLED] Caps: IN VREF Sense: 0x7fffffff nid 24 0x02a190f0 as 15 seq 0 Mic Jack jack 1 loc 2 color Pink misc 0 Caps: IN VREF Sense: 0x7fffffff nid 25 0x40f000f0 as 15 seq 0 Other None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 0 [DISABLED] Caps: OUT Sense: 0x7fffffff nid 26 0x901701f0 as 15 seq 0 Speaker Fixed jack 7 loc 16 color Unknown misc 1 Caps: OUT EAPD nid 27 0x40f001f0 as 15 seq 0 Other None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 1 [DISABLED] Caps: OUT EAPD nid 28 0x40f001f0 as 15 seq 0 Other None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 1 [DISABLED] Caps: OUT nid 29 0x90a601f0 as 15 seq 0 Mic Fixed jack 6 loc 16 color Unknown misc 1 Caps: IN NumGPIO=4 NumGPO=0 NumGPI=0 GPIWake=0 GPIUnsol=1 GPIO: data=0x00000000 enable=0x00000000 direction=0x00000000 wake=0x00000000 unsol=0x00000000 sticky=0x00000000 Now, re-reading the snd_hda man page with the above in hand, I just may be able to make changes similar to what you have shown above provided I can make sense of the above "verbose" output. Thanks for all your help. :-) Regards, web... -- William Bulley Email: web@umich.edu 72 characters width template ----------------------------------------->| From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 20:25:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16D62106564A for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:25:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jakub_lach@mailplus.pl) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F6B8FC16 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:25:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R3w1Y-0004NP-BC for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:25:36 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:25:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jakub Lach To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1316031936339-4804292.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <20110914200618.GA12098@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> References: <20110914134446.GA9714@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> <20110914200618.GA12098@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad audio question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:25:37 -0000 For maximum verbosity you can also try setting in sysctl.conf hw.snd.verbose=3 and $ cat /dev/sndstat then. Not sure if you really need it though. As for man page, that was my experience as well, and I just shamelessly copied device.hints some kind spirit provided, so I'm not exactly pinout expert either :) On a lighter note, once correct pinout will be set, you shouldn't have any more problems with CX20561, it's common and well supported chip. regards, - Jakub Lach -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Thinkpad-audio-question-tp4802936p4804292.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 20:46:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67FF9106564A for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:46:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@umich.edu) Received: from hellskitchen.mr.itd.umich.edu (smtp.mail.umich.edu [141.211.14.82]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33CAB8FC0C for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:46:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: FROM itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu (itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu [141.213.135.249]) By hellskitchen.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 4E7112C0.AD337.743 ; Authuser web; 14 Sep 2011 16:46:56 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:46:56 -0400 From: William Bulley To: Jakub Lach Message-ID: <20110914204656.GD12098@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Jakub Lach , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thinkpad audio question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:46:58 -0000 According to Jakub Lach on Wed, 09/14/11 at 16:25: > > For maximum verbosity you > can also try setting in sysctl.conf > > hw.snd.verbose=3 I've had that setting for years, but it didn't help in this case, sigh... :-( > and > > $ cat /dev/sndstat then. Sure, that is what I always do to check which sound driver I have. > Not sure if you really need it though. True, it wasn't any help for this problem. > As for man page, that was my experience > as well, and I just shamelessly copied > device.hints some kind spirit provided, > so I'm not exactly pinout expert either :) Heh... :-) > On a lighter note, once correct pinout > will be set, you shouldn't have any > more problems with CX20561, it's > common and well supported chip. That is nice to know... Here is the deal: when I "% cat /dev/sndstat" it shows both pcm0 and psm1 as: HDA Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa) but not in the "verbose" output below from dmesg(8). Right now I have this (after some reformatting - no TABs either!): HDA Codec #0: Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa) HDA Codec #1: Conexant (Unknown) <<<<<===== not sure why this is Dumping AFG cad=0 nid=1 pins: nid 22 0x022140f0 as 15 seq 0 Headphones Jack jack 1 loc 2 color Green misc 0 Caps: OUT HP Sense: 0x 7fffffff nid 23 0x61a190f0 as 15 seq 0 Mic None jack 1 loc 33 color Pink misc 0 [DISABLED] Caps: IN VREF Sense: 0x 7fffffff nid 24 0x02a190f0 as 15 seq 0 Mic Jack jack 1 loc 2 color Pink misc 0 Caps: IN VREF Sense: 0x 7fffffff nid 25 0x40f000f0 as 15 seq 0 Other None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 0 [DISABLED] Caps: OUT Sense: 0x 7fffffff nid 26 0x901701f0 as 15 seq 0 Speaker Fixed jack 7 loc 16 color Unknown misc 1 Caps: OUT EAPD nid 27 0x40f001f0 as 15 seq 0 Other None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 1 [DISABLED] Caps: OUT EAPD nid 28 0x40f001f0 as 15 seq 0 Other None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 1 [DISABLED] Caps: OUT nid 29 0x90a601f0 as 15 seq 0 Mic Fixed jack 6 loc 16 color Unknown misc 1 Caps: IN After disregarding the DISABLED lines I have this: nid 22 0x022140f0 as 15 seq 0 Headphones Jack jack 1 loc 2 color Green misc 0 Caps: OUT HP Sense: 0x 7fffffff nid 24 0x02a190f0 as 15 seq 0 Mic Jack jack 1 loc 2 color Pink misc 0 Caps: IN VREF Sense: 0x 7fffffff nid 26 0x901701f0 as 15 seq 0 Speaker Fixed jack 7 loc 16 color Unknown misc 1 Caps: OUT EAPD nid 29 0x90a601f0 as 15 seq 0 Mic Fixed jack 6 loc 16 color Unknown misc 1 Caps: IN The snd_hda(4) man page does not discuss what "EAPD" is, nor what "VREF" is, nor what "HP" is. It also does not discuss "Caps:" but I can infer what "IN" and "OUT" are. :-) So, I have a speaker (big whoop) and two "jacks": one pink and one green (but I already knew that, too). I note that there is only one AS (15, or is that 14?) and only one "seq" (0) which doesn't mesh well with your earlier T400 suggestion: > hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid22.config="as=1 seq=15" > hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid24.config="as=3" > hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid26.config="as=1" > hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid29.config="as=2" For example, where did 'AS'es 1, 2, 3 come from? And where did "seq" 15 come from? :-( However, it is mighty curious that your four "nid"s match my four non-DISABLED "nid"s - hmmm... :-) Recognizing from your comments above that you may not be able to answer these rhetorical questions, but if I just try your suggestions "blind" what are the chances it will "just work" for me? I do hate just copying something without knowing what the heck it means -- just the pedantic engineer in me, I reckon... :-) The snd_hda(4) man page is not very helpful in explaining what your four hints would do for my T500 problem, but I guess it is worth a try. Regards, web... -- William Bulley Email: web@umich.edu 72 characters width template ----------------------------------------->| From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 20:56:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDAA91065674 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:56:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B1F8FC0A for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk4 with SMTP id 4so2347943qyk.13 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.69.177 with SMTP id f17mr27881vdu.150.1316033768065; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-105-057.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.105.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e7sm3577032vdh.25.2011.09.14.13.56.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3RzZsd4ZjRz2CG54 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:56:05 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110914165605.32679c68@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <20110914145631.56603a09@scorpio> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Brother MFC-8890DW printer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:56:10 -0000 On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 15:35:35 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: > On the other hand, Brother seems to be quite Linux friendly: > > http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/index.html I have visited that link previously. There are several examples of how to install the various linux drivers for several operating systems. Sadly, though not surprisingly, FreeBSD is not an included OS. If I actually do purchase the device, I think I will be able to get it working with the info provided. Then again, on rare occasions, I have been known to be wrong. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Life sucks, but death doesn't put out at all. Thomas J. Kopp From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 21:01:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55792106566B for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 21:01:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jakub_lach@mailplus.pl) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325B08FC0C for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 21:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R3wZp-0007Gz-Hl for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:01:01 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:01:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Jakub Lach To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1316034061543-4804434.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <20110914204656.GD12098@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> References: <20110914134446.GA9714@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> <20110914204656.GD12098@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad audio question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 21:01:02 -0000 I would love to investigate it properly further, however I'm critically low on time, so I can only offer pinout dump with my device.hints at this time, sorry http://pastebin.com/ig54CwT9 good luck, - Jakub Lach -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Thinkpad-audio-question-tp4802936p4804434.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 21:13:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 128B8106566C for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 21:13:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from f92902@hushmail.com) Received: from smtp10.hushmail.com (smtp10.hushmail.com [65.39.178.143]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF1A18FC13 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 21:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp10.hushmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp10.hushmail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 92449BEE0B for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:12:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Hush-Verified-Domain: hushmail.com Received: from smtp.hushmail.com (w5.hushmail.com [65.39.178.80]) by smtp10.hushmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:12:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.hushmail.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 63962E671D; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:12:14 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:12:14 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: f92902@hushmail.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20110914201214.63962E671D@smtp.hushmail.com> Subject: GTK file chooser dialog does not open in current directory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 21:13:41 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I updated my system and now have gtk-2.24.6. Now when I open a file in, for example, scite-2.28, and then open another file the file chooser dialog opens "Recently Used" view whereas previously it showed directory listing for the directory in which the current file was. As you might imagine this is very annoying as I have to navigate to the same directory over and over again. How can I restore the old behavior of opening directory listing of the current/last opened directory? I found some references to a "filechooser.ini" on the Internet but I've been unable to find any documentation for this file. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Charset: UTF8 Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Version: Hush 3.0 wsBcBAEBAgAGBQJOcQqeAAoJECOi9ArdI/mVr5cH+gPHIvCzrnZOx6vR24AuJn/hfs7H SWAnz8/rinuUXWiOOvh4P43WluXP6gj/aguvyF0onQs6vhHhtm70s7xehaf15hOk6XrG 8mWKHH114ttBsTdsOv3PT+t+XJ+Tqam3ro3TNmGgpyuVCzZBA8sLUoWJMntm1ILghKKU VUhlR2QF8awUchnPiYDgMkJCkJF7Rq644aQpVCfliBqrrUXR28L6lSlBQGk3WwA8FzGN qDhLzYHZRoF9liYPePHe1nBCson7uZ34U3h+CRFsY89xkpJvemwT4OIKK6DNnsbbkEHJ 0mTcBATPChddtMqeDflRmzpHYLSe1i/fzv3/JWnVDPw= =iMhM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 14 23:10:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3183106564A for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 23:10:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@umich.edu) Received: from tombraider.mr.itd.umich.edu (smtp.mail.umich.edu [141.211.12.86]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67AE88FC13 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 23:10:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: FROM itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu (itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu [141.213.135.249]) By tombraider.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 4E71347D.DCFCA.845 ; Authuser web; 14 Sep 2011 19:10:53 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 19:10:53 -0400 From: William Bulley To: Jakub Lach Message-ID: <20110914231053.GE12098@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Jakub Lach , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thinkpad audio question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 23:10:55 -0000 According to Jakub Lach on Wed, 09/14/11 at 17:01: > > I would love to investigate it properly further, > however I'm critically low on time, so I can only > offer pinout dump with my device.hints at this > time, sorry > > http://pastebin.com/ig54CwT9 > > good luck, Thanks! But no thanks -- because I got it to work with your T400 hints! :-) You have been most helpful and I really appreciate it. I wonder just who came up with those in the first place? :-) Regards, web... -- William Bulley Email: web@umich.edu 72 characters width template ----------------------------------------->| From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 15 00:21:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5616106566C for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 00:21:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1F798FC12 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 00:21:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p8F0Lv89002343; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:21:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p8F0Lv6t002340; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:21:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:21:57 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: William Bulley In-Reply-To: <20110914231053.GE12098@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Message-ID: References: <20110914231053.GE12098@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:21:57 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Jakub Lach , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thinkpad audio question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 00:21:59 -0000 On Wed, 14 Sep 2011, William Bulley wrote: > According to Jakub Lach on Wed, 09/14/11 at 17:01: >> >> I would love to investigate it properly further, >> however I'm critically low on time, so I can only >> offer pinout dump with my device.hints at this >> time, sorry >> >> http://pastebin.com/ig54CwT9 >> >> good luck, > > Thanks! But no thanks -- because I got it to work with your T400 > hints! :-) > > You have been most helpful and I really appreciate it. I wonder > just who came up with those in the first place? :-) Two things you can do to improve the situation. First, describe the appropriate settings and files on http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ Then write some updates to the man page, or at least describe what is missing, and submit a PR. This can be worthwhile doing just for yourself. If a man page is missing something for me once, chances are I'll hit it again later. Helping others is a side benefit. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 15 03:11:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6162106566B for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 03:11:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jakub_lach@mailplus.pl) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916988FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 03:11:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R42M3-0003IG-F1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:11:11 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:11:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jakub Lach To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1316056271343-4805409.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20110914134446.GA9714@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> <20110914231053.GE12098@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad audio question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 03:11:12 -0000 It was mav (Alexander Motin), he proposed those hints after I complained that sound stopped working after update. He wondered how I got sound to work in the first place, with hints I had previously. I don't think pushing those specific hints somewhere would be so beneficial, subtle hardware revision could change pin associations. (e.g. Your friend's T500?) I don't think man page is missing something, it's verbose and exhaustive, with 4 examples of hints for various purposes. (The truth is out there! heh.) The problem is, most people don't want (or don't know they need) to swap line-out and speaker functions, to split headphones and mic to separate device etc. They do not know why default pinout is not working as it should, and what they should change. They just want to have headphones and speakers working as intended :) But I'm afraid this can't be directly addressed, as possibilities of default wrong pin associations are "endless". If you think otherwise you are free to submit PR as well :) best regards, - Jakub Lach PS. I suspected that If by chance my device.hints will "just work", the "pedantic engineer" in you would be silenced somehow :P -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Thinkpad-audio-question-tp4802936p4805409.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 15 08:34:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DAAE1065670 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:34:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [75.101.116.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDEA08FC12 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:34:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (pool-108-23-64-87.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [108.23.64.87]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p8F8Yca2082245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 01:34:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) From: Doug Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 01:34:37 -0700 Message-Id: <5F905B11-01BE-4A01-BAF2-2FFB189F554A@lafn.org> To: FreeBSD Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Hardware booting problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:34:47 -0000 I encountered a situation today that I do not understand. This is a = very old i386 PC that does not have a usable CD drive. The existing = drive uses a very funky SCSI connector that I have nothing for. The = system disk is SCSI and there was one additional PATA drive used for = additional storage. The PATA drive failed. It won't even stick around = in /dev for more than a couple minutes after boot and there are lots of = messages about bad sectors. The data is completely backed up and the = that drive is over 5 years old. I removed the old drive and installed a new one. System will not boot. = It hangs in the BIOS. Never gets around to installing the SCSI BIOS. = My first guess was there was no boot sector on the SCSI drive. That = seems unusual since my other systems boot off the SCSI drives just fine. = This one used to also before I added the PATA drive. However, if I put = the dead drive back in along with the new one, then it boots. This also = implies that the boot sector was only on the PATA drive. But the PATA = drive is for all intents and purposes dead. So how is it booting? Is = there any way to look into the SCSI drive and see if there is a boot = sector there? This is more a curiosity item as there are additional failures starting = to occur in that computer. We are going to replace it. Its around 10 = years old. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 15 08:56:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7CF1065670 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:56:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rnavaza@hotmail.com) Received: from dub0-omc4-s11.dub0.hotmail.com (dub0-omc4-s11.dub0.hotmail.com [157.55.2.86]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5FC08FC0C for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:56:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DUB102-W62 ([157.55.2.71]) by dub0-omc4-s11.dub0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 15 Sep 2011 01:56:01 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [81.194.42.137] From: Rafael NAVAZA To: Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 10:56:00 +0200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Sep 2011 08:56:01.0079 (UTC) FILETIME=[4ADDB470:01CC7385] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: RE: Intel 82573E NIC and BMC with FreeBSD 8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:56:03 -0000 Ok I got the BMC responding when the "em" driver is loaded. I had to comment out the line corresponding to the "CRC Stripping" (#4153) in /usr/src/sys/dev/e1000/if_em.c and compile/install/loader.conf the=20 driver. I know (from my google searches) that by doing it some=20 other intel nics will not function properly with the driver. The only=20 way to make every one happy would be to add a sysctl param to the driver=2C= something like "hw.em.disable_crc_stripping" . Where can I commit such thing ? Rafael. > From: rnavaza@hotmail.com > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Date: Tue=2C 13 Sep 2011 19:24:02 +0200 > Subject: Intel 82573E NIC and BMC with FreeBSD 8 >=20 >=20 > Hi there=2C >=20 > I added a M3291 BMC on a TYAN S5197 motherboard and I'm trying to make it= work with FreeBSD 8. >=20 > I first tried to set it up with Linux=2C and it was pretty annoying ... > What TYAN DID say to do is : >=20 > - DOS=2C flash the S5197 Motherboard with the latest BIOS=20 > - DOS=2C flash the M3291 BMC with the correct Firmware > - DOS=2C flash the Intel NIC (82573E) EEProm to enable IPMI > - DOS=2C configure the MAC/IP of the BMC (I choose a BMC MAC different fr= om the NIC MAC=2C and of course an IP different from the host) > - LINUX=2C "modprobe ipmi_si type=3Dkcs ports=3D0xca8 irqs=3D0 regspacing= s=3D4" >=20 > All that is correct but not sufficient because I can only access to the B= MC locally !!! > WHAT TYAN FORGOT TO SAY IS : >=20 > - DOS=2C declare the BMC MAC on the Intel NIC (82573E) EEProm "eeupdate.e= xe /NIC=3D1 /MNGMAC=3D00:E0:81:XX:XX:XX" > - LINUX=2C "modprobe e1000e CrcStripping=3D0" >=20 > Now it works with Linux :D >=20 > Now it is the FreeBSD turn :) >=20 > Well=2C it doesn't work "as is" ... : >=20 > - FREEBSD=2C "kldload ipmi" -> doesn't give access to the BMC locally > - FREEBSD=2C "ifconfig_em0=3DDHCP" -> makes the BMC to stop responding >=20 > My question : is there any equivalent in FreeBSD of the Linux kernel para= meters that I have previously used ? >=20 > Any help would be appreciated =3B)=20 >=20 > Regards=2C > Rafael NAVAZA. >=20 = From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 15 09:21:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC92C1065672 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:21:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from f92902@hushmail.com) Received: from smtp10.hushmail.com (smtp10.hushmail.com [65.39.178.143]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43FD8FC14 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp10.hushmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp10.hushmail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E4E34BEE11 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:19:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Hush-Verified-Domain: hushmail.com Received: from smtp.hushmail.com (w4.hushmail.com [65.39.178.50]) by smtp10.hushmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:19:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.hushmail.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 60BAD10E2D6; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:19:11 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 05:19:11 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: f92902@hushmail.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20110915091911.60BAD10E2D6@smtp.hushmail.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 8.2 Partition Sizing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:21:00 -0000 > There is nothing wrong with having / and /usr on separate partitions; in fact, there are some mild advantages to fine-grained partitioning for folks who pay attention to their filesystem space usage. To elaborate on this: Assuming you have separate /var, /tmp, /usr and /home partitions, the only files that should be on / are: 1. Part of base system not in /usr 2. Kernels (/boot/kernel) 3. root home directory (/root) Therefore the size of / does not grow with time on most systems. It also tends to be independent of what the system is used for, unlike the size of /usr for example. On my systems / is between 1.5 gb to 2 gb depending on overall disk size. /usr is up to 10 gb on desktop systems. A benefit of having / on its own partition is that it becomes much harder to run / out of disk space by accident. Checking out source trees (/usr/ports, /usr/src), building world (/usr/obj), building ports (/usr/ports), running software that uses /usr/local//logs for storing its log files, etc. all have potential to write to /usr if you don't have appropriate configuration/symlinks/partitions set up to redirect them to the right places. If your /usr is separate from / then running out of disk space on /usr is usually harmless. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 15 09:45:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840A7106566C for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:45:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from betty.computinginnovations.com (mail.computinginnovations.com [64.81.227.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3DF8FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from i7-quad-PC.computinginnovations.com (dhcp-10-20-30-142.computinginnovations.com [10.20.30.142]) (authenticated bits=0) by betty.computinginnovations.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p8F9XgpI098920; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 04:33:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20110915043140.05a6bad8@mail.computinginnovations.com> X-Sender: derek@mail.computinginnovations.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 04:33:32 -0500 To: Doug Hardie , FreeBSD Mailing List From: Derek Ragona In-Reply-To: <5F905B11-01BE-4A01-BAF2-2FFB189F554A@lafn.org> References: <5F905B11-01BE-4A01-BAF2-2FFB189F554A@lafn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110914-1, 09/14/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: p8F9XgpI098920 X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-From: derek@computinginnovations.com X-Spam-Status: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Hardware booting problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:45:47 -0000 At 03:34 AM 9/15/2011, Doug Hardie wrote: >I encountered a situation today that I do not understand. This is a very >old i386 PC that does not have a usable CD drive. The existing drive uses >a very funky SCSI connector that I have nothing for. The system disk is >SCSI and there was one additional PATA drive used for additional >storage. The PATA drive failed. It won't even stick around in /dev for >more than a couple minutes after boot and there are lots of messages about >bad sectors. The data is completely backed up and the that drive is over >5 years old. > >I removed the old drive and installed a new one. System will not >boot. It hangs in the BIOS. Never gets around to installing the SCSI >BIOS. My first guess was there was no boot sector on the SCSI >drive. That seems unusual since my other systems boot off the SCSI drives >just fine. This one used to also before I added the PATA drive. However, >if I put the dead drive back in along with the new one, then it >boots. This also implies that the boot sector was only on the PATA >drive. But the PATA drive is for all intents and purposes dead. So how >is it booting? Is there any way to look into the SCSI drive and see if >there is a boot sector there? > >This is more a curiosity item as there are additional failures starting to >occur in that computer. We are going to replace it. Its around 10 years old. Depending on your SCSI card BIOS, some allow you to set which LUN it boots. You may want to explore the SCSI settings, and try to set the new drive as the first boot device, then try removing the old drive. -Derek -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 15 10:09:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B911065674 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 10:09:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6727@bellsouth.net) Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [207.115.11.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045B78FC16 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 10:09:55 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 10:04:31 +0000 (GMT) X-Comment: Sending client does not conform to RFC822 minimum requirements X-Comment: Date has been added by Maillennium Received: from localhost (adsl-65-80-91-163.sdf.bellsouth.net[65.80.91.163]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20110915100430H0100n3n9pe>; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 10:04:31 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.80.91.163] From: "Thomas Mueller" Message-Id: <20110915100956.14B911065674@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 8.2 Partition Sizing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 10:09:56 -0000 I can't really see the rationale for putting / and /usr on separate partitions. Swap would go on a different partition because it does not use the same file system. I like to put /home on a separate partition, and don't like the idea of /usr/home. I also don't like to put /var and /tmp on separate partitions: problems with size and fitting the disk space. Putting /home on a separate partition allows the whole system to be upgraded, even newfs and reinstall, without touching user data. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 15 11:02:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7EA2106566B for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 11:02:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656DB8FC19 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 11:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [89.204.137.209] (helo=tiny.Sisis.de.) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R49i3-0005db-P4 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:02:26 +0200 Received: from tiny.Sisis.de. (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiny.Sisis.de. (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p8FB2DV6001155 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:02:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by tiny.Sisis.de. (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id p8FB2BIV001154 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:02:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: tiny.Sisis.de.: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:02:11 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110915110211.GA1140@tiny> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd" Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Originating-IP: 89.204.137.209 Subject: ppp with mode -auto X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 11:02:37 -0000 --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hello, I'm using ppp(1) with mode -auto in a FreeBSD 8.x (an older 8-CURRENT); I'm reading in the man page that the link is not coming up until packages for the tun interface are arriving... But my ppp starts chatting and LCP... just when it is started. My ppp.conf file is attached; any ideas? Thanks in advance matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ppp.conf" # # default: set log Phase Chat LCP IPCP CCP tun command umts: set device /dev/cuaU0.0 # device name in CURRENT set speed 230400 # set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \ \"\" AT OK-AT-OK ATZ OK \ AT+CFUN=1 OK \ AT+COPS=0 OK \ AT+CGDCONT=1,\\\"IP\\\",\\\"pinternet.interkom.de\\\" OK \ \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 40 CONNECT" set logout "ABORT BUSY ABORT ERROR TIMEOUT 30 \"\" +++ATH O ATH OK" set phone *99*1\# set authname "fonic" set authkey "fonic" set timeout 300 set ifaddr 0.0.0.0/0 10.64.64.64/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0 add default HISADDR enable dns disable ipv6cp --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 15 12:41:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B551065673 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:41:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@umich.edu) Received: from hackers.mr.itd.umich.edu (smtp.mail.umich.edu [141.211.14.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6DC08FC16 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:41:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: FROM itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu (itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu [141.213.135.249]) By hackers.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 4E71F26E.EA0EF.15478 ; Authuser web; 15 Sep 2011 08:41:18 EDT Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:41:18 -0400 From: William Bulley To: Warren Block Message-ID: <20110915124118.GC19017@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Warren Block , Jakub Lach , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Jakub Lach , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thinkpad audio question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:41:21 -0000 According to Warren Block on Wed, 09/14/11 at 20:21: > > Two things you can do to improve the situation. Thanks. > First, describe the appropriate settings and files on > http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ Done. > Then write some updates to the man page, or at least describe what is > missing, and submit a PR. I will do this, but I first have to go through the procedure of how to do this (by reading the handbook, very likely). > This can be worthwhile doing just for yourself. If a man page is > missing something for me once, chances are I'll hit it again later. > Helping others is a side benefit. It isn't for me that I am doing this. It is to help others - really. :-) Regards, web... -- William Bulley Email: web@umich.edu 72 characters width template ----------------------------------------->| From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 15 12:50:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA9D0106564A for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:50:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@umich.edu) Received: from tombraider.mr.itd.umich.edu (smtp.mail.umich.edu [141.211.12.86]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F928FC0A for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:50:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: FROM itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu (itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu [141.213.135.249]) By tombraider.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 4E71F49C.D6381.10634 ; Authuser web; 15 Sep 2011 08:50:36 EDT Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:50:36 -0400 From: William Bulley To: Jakub Lach Message-ID: <20110915125036.GD19017@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Jakub Lach , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thinkpad audio question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:50:38 -0000 According to Jakub Lach on Wed, 09/14/11 at 23:11: > > It was mav (Alexander Motin), he proposed those hints > after I complained that sound stopped working after > update. He wondered how I got sound to work > in the first place, with hints I had previously. I would have wondered the same. The question that remains to be answered is: how did mav (Alexander Motin) suss out the details of how to do this in the first place? :-) > I don't think pushing those specific hints somewhere > would be so beneficial, subtle hardware revision could > change pin associations. (e.g. Your friend's T500?) True, but it might give someone an idea of where to start looking... > I don't think man page is missing something, it's > verbose and exhaustive, with 4 examples of hints > for various purposes. (The truth is out there! heh.) We can agree to disagree, perhaps. The man page is complete, I agree, but it isn't a great read for a user who doesn't understand audio hardware, has never dealt with anything other than stereo speakers and stereo headphones (with or without microphone). The four (4!) examples all refer to the one (1!) HP Compaq system. And these explanations don't give a good description of the connection between "AS", "NID", "SEQ", etc. That is, there are examples there, but the explainations assume that the reader knows more about the underlying hardware and how audio systems and chips work in general than is likely the case for most users with laptops using the snd_hda(4) driver supported hardware. I hope that run-on sentence is comprehensible to folks... :-) > The problem is, most people don't want (or don't > know they need) to swap line-out and speaker > functions, to split headphones and mic to separate > device etc. This is completly true - I agree wholeheartedly with this. > They do not know why default pinout is not working > as it should, and what they should change. Yep. > They just want to have headphones and speakers > working as intended :) Well, d'oh! :-) > But I'm afraid this can't be directly addressed, as > possibilities of default wrong pin associations are > "endless". Sadly, I must agree with you here also, sigh... :-( > If you think otherwise you are free to submit PR > as well :) I am going to submit a PR (when I learn how from the handbook), but not to suggest new text or wording. Rather, I will make suggestions of areas that could be improved for readability and understanding. > best regards, > - Jakub Lach > > PS. I suspected that If by chance my device.hints > will "just work", the "pedantic engineer" in > you would be silenced somehow :P Well, then you don't know me very well then, do you?? ;^) Regards, web... -- William Bulley Email: web@umich.edu 72 characters width template ----------------------------------------->| From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 15 12:57:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23936106564A; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:57:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C06F18FC0C; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:57:43 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; s=DKIM-NAME-SERVICES; d=a1poweruser.com; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:X-Sender:X-Envelope-From; l=500; bh=uFCS4g1vk5xNqDdBXMwtlrqCI0uLaUZnqB9Pl6+goB0=; b=CPx/IA7JcaUfpSjS6WSqqbSN84Cj0EwyrbEem+FIW85HfFCfvJqpYm9gFY+XXtl1+C73nyB1XF3VUortMcHopVkq5R3OYvNFXQuPngn9mdiEFP4vJGj8dAsWRdSDkgDdA29BnW92KAcZdpgrJ4AbzqtFVe2IVUC00RP0XrIuh7k= Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([76.240.47.196]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 15 Sep 2011 05:57:43 -0700 Message-ID: <4E71F647.2050007@a1poweruser.com> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:57:43 -0400 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Sep 2011 12:57:43.0902 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F38DFE0:01CC73A7] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Envelope-From: fbsd8*a1poweruser.com Cc: Subject: 9.0 bata2 & keymap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:57:44 -0000 Out of the 9 USA maps only "us.iso.acc.kbd" worked somewhat. The keyboard 9 key block above the arrow keys don't function. Issuing the "man cmd_name" command doe's display the man page, but the {Page up, Page down keys } don't work. Also when using the "ee" edit command the {delete, Page up, Page down keys } don't work. This does not happen in any of the previous releases. Further more, localization of the keyboard should not be forced on the user during the install process. This BSDinstall option should be disabled or removed. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 15 15:35:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49810106564A for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:35:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from juvix88@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00C468FC12 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:35:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk4 with SMTP id 4so3308775qyk.13 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:35:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=PFLjjnVnL3Sq6ry2sYyVOPp5FsTR2SL+t5nSNGwmgZo=; b=beriHN9y44UBCFnRXv6SZfzhmikLNzTqKo18uAcVvyKUarY47hn86Ebprd5ahCsgbj 9FaEf5jJkl0xiD8Xt/dVJ5KlZfupWatS0+dREq/oIuHq7IZtH1Cz2zZ8lTR5hSXe/M4O FcNCZrJIqI87WPHD+QYfV4mOT69FcErzFv1og= Received: by 10.229.43.150 with SMTP id w22mr1061246qce.156.1316100902035; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (ool-18ba4338.dyn.optonline.net. [24.186.67.56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ic20sm7738582qab.24.2011.09.15.08.34.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E721B21.1000303@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 11:34:57 -0400 From: Jonathan Vomacka User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: f92902@hushmail.com References: <20110915091911.60BAD10E2D6@smtp.hushmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20110915091911.60BAD10E2D6@smtp.hushmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 8.2 Partition Sizing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:35:03 -0000 Thanks bud. On 9/15/2011 5:19 AM, f92902@hushmail.com wrote: >> There is nothing wrong with having / and /usr on separate > partitions; in fact, there are some mild advantages to fine-grained > partitioning for folks who pay attention to their filesystem space > usage. > > To elaborate on this: > > Assuming you have separate /var, /tmp, /usr and /home partitions, > the only files that should be on / are: > > 1. Part of base system not in /usr > 2. Kernels (/boot/kernel) > 3. root home directory (/root) > > Therefore the size of / does not grow with time on most systems. It > also tends to be independent of what the system is used for, unlike > the size of /usr for example. > > On my systems / is between 1.5 gb to 2 gb depending on overall disk > size. /usr is up to 10 gb on desktop systems. > > A benefit of having / on its own partition is that it becomes much > harder to run / out of disk space by accident. Checking out source > trees (/usr/ports, /usr/src), building world (/usr/obj), building > ports (/usr/ports), running software that uses > /usr/local//logs for storing its log files, etc. all > have potential to write to /usr if you don't have appropriate > configuration/symlinks/partitions set up to redirect them to the > right places. If your /usr is separate from / then running out of > disk space on /usr is usually harmless. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 15 15:37:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F17106564A for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:37:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from juvix88@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28EF98FC0C for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk10 with SMTP id 10so5475859qyk.13 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:37:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=gKwo4nt6GyF+cyISUQjdY0kD+MKZmM4gNQ1z9QJPBk8=; b=YQIGNqE8vV3z/QFgOPSL1u41QPE+9VAdXlab9CfvtC8Q81Ip7Zk9yVXznkZ7H8APXy nO+SoC8BfgkbYfTAOFshSJGU3ldLdOvtqRujKgtawE/CIIXOtirmriEdYhaWGCxOXg0J 3qliJmg6iFuvZrMxX++nlFrC+hWK6oSarQ200= Received: by 10.224.202.72 with SMTP id fd8mr1127264qab.184.1316101021531; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (ool-18ba4338.dyn.optonline.net. [24.186.67.56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cc12sm7757993qab.16.2011.09.15.08.37.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:37:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E721B9B.2020300@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 11:36:59 -0400 From: Jonathan Vomacka User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Seaman References: <4E709F62.60705@gmail.com> <4E70B269.4020900@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4E70F79A.3090806@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4E70F79A.3090806@infracaninophile.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Michael Sierchio , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recommended SWAP space for large amounts of ram (8GB) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:37:02 -0000 Thanks Matthew / Michael for your responses on this. On 9/14/2011 2:51 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 14/09/2011 18:27, Michael Sierchio wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Matthew Seaman >> wrote: >> >>>> ... In these days of plentiful RAM, the new rule of thumb is "if you're >>>> swapping, then you're doing it wrong." > >> I think your response follows the excellent pedagogical principle: "a >> little inaccuracy saves a lot of explanation." But... disk is still >> (by far) the cheapest commodity, and the opportunistic paging >> algorithm manages VM very well. VM is not by any means obsolete, and >> seeing paging behavior is not a sign of a misconfigured system. > > Well, yes. I was certainly glossing over a lot of complexity -- but I > would maintain that I am fundamentally correct. > > Having some pages swapped out is absolutely not a problem. True. In > fact, it's a positive benefit: swapping out memory pages that are > exceedingly rarely referenced makes more room in RAM for more actively > used pages. > > On the other hand, having pages continually swapping in and out > definitely is a problem in terms of performance, given that disk IO > takes of the order of milliseconds, while reference to main RAM is of > the order of microseconds or less. Orders of magnitude faster. > > Now, while disk may well be the much the cheapest storage medium > available, that's only part of the expense. In fact, up-front capital > expenditure on the kit (perhaps several thousand pounds/euros/dollars) > is outweighed by the operational expense (power, cooling, hardware > support etc.) over the life of the equipment, so spending a bit more > (capex) on components that run at lower power (opex) makes a lot of > sense. Even more, if the server is being used for eg. e-Commerce, then > the volume of the transactions and the data processed by the server > makes all the difference to your margin: the more you can do with the > same hardware - viz, the more efficiently and faster you can make the > hardware run - then the more profit you make. Buying more RAM is > peanuts on that scale. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 15 15:37:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C101065673 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:37:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from juvix88@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E8D18FC16 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qy0-f175.google.com with SMTP id 10so5475859qyk.13 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:37:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ngCA07DwC3VcbzeY9H87YbFoDuWq5lWooevuve4UXls=; b=K4hsNwUyUmvHXz4r13EYOtmBGBXMK94UibLaOOJbiK66xsoAG+Eej65EmyAmy6ePdk qMrUO72oGGVX8Ng9uNGpe11EZwEZSHR3xs/D/8hVeOKW1vpCiccPJyeo4iwTCMQXQC6l LXQ9n8415ffJrb1jjTwCNVjVk5qeQuVEmsIcg= Received: by 10.229.90.97 with SMTP id h33mr1043807qcm.185.1316101032300; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (ool-18ba4338.dyn.optonline.net. [24.186.67.56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cg14sm7793636qab.0.2011.09.15.08.37.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E721BA6.3090701@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 11:37:10 -0400 From: Jonathan Vomacka User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Seaman References: <4E70F1FA.1040407@gmail.com> <957E5375-556A-4145-9508-4354B31DCB25@mac.com> <4E70F8A3.4010700@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4E70F8A3.4010700@infracaninophile.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 8.2 Partition Sizing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:37:15 -0000 Thanks again Matthew On 9/14/2011 2:55 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 14/09/2011 19:31, Chuck Swiger wrote: >> On Sep 14, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Jonathan Vomacka wrote: >>>> In regards to partitioning, I have a question regarding a "rumor" >>>> that has been told to me by various different linux experts, and >>>> I wanted to confirm if this also takes place with FreeBSD Unix. >>>> In the past, I have always had the root filesystem (/) and the >>>> /usr filesystem all on seperate partitions. I was told that >>>> having /usr on a seperate partition is an "old" way of doing >>>> things and actually causes issues when /usr is mounted separately >>>> from root (/). Does this play true in FreeBSD or is that thought >>>> process nonsense? I was told to create a larger root filesystem >>>> and NOT create usr seperately as /usr will mount off the root >>>> filesystem anyway. Will there be any issues by having /usr on a >>>> separate partition then root? I will like to know any opinions on >>>> this, as well as suggestions based on how other FreeBSD guru's >>>> have their server setups. > >> There is nothing wrong with having / and /usr on separate partitions; >> in fact, there are some mild advantages to fine-grained partitioning >> for folks who pay attention to their filesystem space usage. >> However, there is nothing wrong with a single root partition (well, >> and swap partition), either. > > Use ZFS and you can put / and /usr on different filesystems (zfses), > without any need to worry about not having made any of those filesystems > big enough. (Since all the free space is held in common for all of the > zfses on the same zpool.) The best of both worlds. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 15 19:26:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D8D106566B for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 19:26:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jan0sch@gmx.net) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5115C8FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 19:26:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Sep 2011 19:00:07 -0000 Received: from dslb-088-074-050-162.pools.arcor-ip.net (EHLO magni.rostock.home) [88.74.50.162] by mail.gmx.net (mp023) with SMTP; 15 Sep 2011 21:00:07 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1545395 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/qKuNRwrnqRnkxrLY0kFGe4bLdIeNE2fqmdOM9o8 6aHS4ZImGbZ9Ho Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:00:06 +0200 From: Jens Jahnke To: freebsd questions Message-Id: <20110915210006.cb4f5845f1d6787bee714485@gmx.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.2.0beta2 (GTK+ 2.24.6; x86_64-unknown-freebsd8.2) X-Face: &?!P`87-36gaG)/K:yi&ixw=uy]y'?$vrc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="PGP-SHA512"; boundary="Signature=_Thu__15_Sep_2011_21_00_06_+0200_X5/v4d/qK6GWKVji" X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: gem19 missing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 19:26:51 -0000 --Signature=_Thu__15_Sep_2011_21_00_06_+0200_X5/v4d/qK6GWKVji Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I just installed lang/ruby19 on my freebsd 8.2 box and I'm missing the gem command (gem19). If I do install devel/ruby-gems I get ruby18 and gem18. :-| Any ideas? Regards, Jens --=20 15. Scheiding 2011, 20:58 Homepage : http://www.jan0sch.de Try to relax and enjoy the crisis. -- Ashleigh Brilliant --Signature=_Thu__15_Sep_2011_21_00_06_+0200_X5/v4d/qK6GWKVji Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (FreeBSD) iQG8BAEBCgAGBQJOcks2AAoJED2+SXzzbciGQbsM+wQTNsPpgV/MB4TR7aLUOA23 zgPjAtL3nioCWdSCUictOWGcegnv1kzz8VD94xlEvAkiPXHwHtBlFFmfR8Azgigb eIsnP6jPNNsKgekuft8u1610yD70IhVlPykUL5rIv75mH/CVCjTkFnAnsAtX39k2 j1RbCIjdzJ06JjJQuHJjgWyzvTHfyli1qyfsAHrj5Bx1Zwf7dOVBX1bTrIPXIoEH kRw/JJ8v80+jMYM+C8WzlC2pgaL8O8RiZ0jp3raDuHzLWXyMUAEmcTTZrx6x2F+F cSe2HIi92ZuEjrkqAD2osKGBco0/6GUr4TFX5w6QYUbNQcRePl7w5jWZvry7Dowi 068D+qxFvyDKwct17uvg0oEE8LHc5yuNuJrIZRamOKAF1Z+TNiptAMVcotm/WmTq XKAUm/w6YBNqipxy2lpRZQIahdj9fY1jBTBUn4QnuH2wK3D1g++0Taa4glaIe3TJ irilW5ectYQGVPcgnlc/VINHTVA67YTBDBCdXxujxH5OVqR6uIu1nos68xvLks2u kusKzGylMUXNkpcB3ufe =qayG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Thu__15_Sep_2011_21_00_06_+0200_X5/v4d/qK6GWKVji-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 15 19:40:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47197106566B for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 19:40:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jan0sch@gmx.net) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A81C78FC15 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 19:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Sep 2011 19:40:29 -0000 Received: from dslb-088-074-050-162.pools.arcor-ip.net (EHLO magni.rostock.home) [88.74.50.162] by mail.gmx.net (mp070) with SMTP; 15 Sep 2011 21:40:29 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1545395 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+CqIx0MBKC7B/TkYbIQXVviqwqYBvQFc4MA7A7n+ YuC7nVdopPeymo Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:40:28 +0200 From: Jens Jahnke To: freebsd questions Message-Id: <20110915214028.ec7ee7e8de3ecc6182a1da25@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20110915210006.cb4f5845f1d6787bee714485@gmx.net> References: <20110915210006.cb4f5845f1d6787bee714485@gmx.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.2.0beta2 (GTK+ 2.24.6; x86_64-unknown-freebsd8.2) X-Face: &?!P`87-36gaG)/K:yi&ixw=uy]y'?$vrc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="PGP-SHA512"; boundary="Signature=_Thu__15_Sep_2011_21_40_28_+0200_TXKtCL=YlT8YTi1q" X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: gem19 missing (solved) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 19:40:31 -0000 --Signature=_Thu__15_Sep_2011_21_40_28_+0200_TXKtCL=YlT8YTi1q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:00:06 +0200 Jens Jahnke wrote: JJ> If I do install devel/ruby-gems I get ruby18 and gem18. :-| After adding RUBY_DEFAULT_VER=3D1.9 to /etc/make.conf and rebuilding ruby19 and ruby-gems it finally works. :) Regards, Jens --=20 15. Scheiding 2011, 21:29 Homepage : http://www.jan0sch.de Who does not trust enough will not be trusted. -- Lao Tsu --Signature=_Thu__15_Sep_2011_21_40_28_+0200_TXKtCL=YlT8YTi1q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (FreeBSD) iQG8BAEBCgAGBQJOclSsAAoJED2+SXzzbciGEekNALTO3anEQoPsYpH8+/0xAf9k w5Z9sgCiJzqmI2Qn4iqZLkT7VfoHjWk2fFXca+FK4rqZC1YYvUXVgRYDpGFzFuQQ K+gLcrAJ5Kv/t7qi/caBBvoDyPje2zUmBTMyyVIwBN+BBQnVz6hBqIcpmVQcbY3x saLf5ptRltIF4IF5rNEtrsRIiM34EzcaQXr5IOnKTghtYkq/2F9+LLYxybQxXSnS tY7ScNVY1e1LlyAXogEDUI4zi03yd+hGWOsoHp20P6b3m7O7GLNMLyBzG/bVn0WH RXN3NoVgkc1wNHX0fGMxqfk5S26LBNOGXivzRMuEnjz0kdTXW+CYbvcE2eKnkBj3 CFZdSJqU5RelOsj1lTeWnyrVQzN6yIYYco9TrbIneZ7RRv6v+YMMBTCjAMd5G5bn bSBZVkaWSPxQ7c/KfDXWSN/hKSX1TT2uHImwa6MSb1rCDXbgnra2fPFVgrMlmdCg kSGyrmFp5zx2/0jR5s9t98LVgIl3GSDSOYCDuPvrPbjmaY9YNVRjKuT+C86u/4tC a+sI+uMWb1SGK/0MxA4E =r8Lf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Thu__15_Sep_2011_21_40_28_+0200_TXKtCL=YlT8YTi1q-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 15 21:21:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@Freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2D21065701 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:21:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sdb@ssr.com) Received: from mailhost.ssr.com (mailhost.ssr.com [199.4.235.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 247AD8FC13 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:21:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 27964 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2011 21:16:42 -0000 Received: from pool-72-89-110-241.nycmny.east.verizon.net (HELO irelay.ssr.com) (sdb@72.89.110.241) by 199.4.235.5 with SMTP; 15 Sep 2011 21:16:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 58840 invoked by uid 103); 15 Sep 2011 21:06:44 -0000 Date: 15 Sep 2011 21:06:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20110915210644.58839.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> From: Scott Ballantyne To: freebsd-questions@Freebsd.org Cc: Subject: Java6 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:21:43 -0000 Hi, After upgrading to Java6, I am having a problem when I launch the Java application that my bank/broker uses. It halts with "Start: applet not initialized." Unfortunately, FreeBSD is not a 'supported platform' for my bank/broker, and they won't provide any support. It does work on Windows platforms, but I would prefer to use it on FreeBSD. Any suggestions? Thanks very much, Scott -- sdb@ssr.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 15 21:46:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2262106564A for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:46:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unix.hacker@comcast.net) Received: from qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D478FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:46:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Z3q31h00B1ei1Bg569mbLG; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:46:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([68.43.224.227]) by omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Z9ma1h0124uzdYs3k9mbj1; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:46:35 +0000 Message-ID: <4E72723B.4020309@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 17:46:35 -0400 From: Allen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4E5EF2B0002E5440@> (added by postmaster@resmaa13.ono.com) In-Reply-To: <4E5EF2B0002E5440@> (added by postmaster@resmaa13.ono.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please secure your FTP access X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:46:35 -0000 Sorry for top posting but can anyone send this to "Computer Stupidities" ? It seems to good to waste like this. Anyone who thinks they're a Hacker yet doesn't know how FTP works is not only funny, it's entertainment. And also, the web site I'm speaking of, has a similar story sent in from another reader, where they talked about back when they were in a Web Development class once, the teacher partnered everyone up with someone else, and so, since he had already made his own web site, he figured he'd show it to his new partner, and said "This is my web site here" and the guy, like a moron, highlighted ALL of the text with a Mouse, and threatened to hit the "Delete" button on the Keyboard... This reminds me of that quite a bit lol. On 9/14/2011 5:57 AM, Eduardo Morras wrote: > At 21:43 13/09/2011, Sarang......... wrote: >> H! there, >> >> I have seen your site and also got ftp access.. >> >> Please secure your ftp acces otherwise anyone can delete your data.... >> >> Why anyone? even I am also interested in it.. please move your ass >> otherwise it will cost you. >> >> If you are not going to fix this problem then I will delete all the >> files tommorrow... >> >> Take care.. > > You log in as anonymous user but the user whom owns the ftp is another > one (perhaps ftp). The permises you get are r-x (thh last ones) not rwx. > > HTH > >> Ethical but Bad Hacker... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 15 22:28:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8E81065672 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 22:28:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from openslateproj@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10EAD8FC1A for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 22:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxk36 with SMTP id 36so3148424yxk.13 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:28:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Msh+X27uyc1YxO0U2JK1ErbciVbyMy8w2rXxjms6Vg8=; b=gMhfJkomrqeyId3iQNKQBzjGQshLhBAk8qyTaCg+QOfDhufvUurlkOU74AYwn9aAUA BaxichqRUOLHqY7y5SslxNAV47nR9ubArX8dZjh3Z1BYuk+UzgCWS0WqjVMSnufGaNjk Tqv5PqQaSfAnxv4kvDGyf3fcsRsH8z2P4gruk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.15.232 with SMTP id a8mr2369398pbd.407.1316124044807; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.58.70 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:00:44 -1000 Message-ID: From: Open Slate To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Thank you for excellent support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 22:28:14 -0000 Recently the address I have used for years to post here stopped working. After several pleas for help some nice list owner forwarded by mail to the postmaster, who spent a lot of time tracking down the problem. My ISP has been bought and sold several times, so that my address no longer passes the test for validity. So now I am using a new gmail account. This is the kind of service that is all too often lacking these days. Thank you, whoever you were, for doing such a great job. Makes me proud to be associated with FreeBSD ... have been since 2.x. Gary Dunn Open Slate Project From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 15 23:25:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5581065670 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 23:25:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from root1101@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D498FC16 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 23:25:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzs8 with SMTP id zs8so3707212bkb.13 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:25:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1zOUCh+2w+qUEZza9Iwu62/s5Qqo3Q/AeZEGLOrherg=; b=w7n0v3tvsN5ayD/D3NBNMTlYztwWmL6KrHKPQ+L6QsOLL+z+cu6HfIYHNio1sPKAGU sjt4iLWmV7eNcG8ZRkgl4CgOFT+lo3SylGCUPydbzS7i+gWMVcay/QEizDTi4J/eHKj/ INahgD4F7yQWvAJBsaDda0DDsSCeXaRiE6pNE= Received: by 10.204.157.18 with SMTP id z18mr1070371bkw.7.1316127749190; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([91.79.242.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m18sm4609314bkt.12.2011.09.15.16.02.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E728403.6040709@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 03:02:27 +0400 From: =?UTF-8?B?0JXQstCz0LXQvdC40Lkg0JvQsNC60YLQsNC90L7Qsg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110822 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: A FreeBSD HTPC X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 23:25:13 -0000 Thinking about doing an HTPC project, however I remember having problems with an avermedia tuner way back (damn I am old). Browsed through the hardware notes to the 8.2 and the situations seems to be pretty desperate, I've checked GNU/Linux and it is years ahead in this department. I also wonder if FreeBSD supports processor features like Intel's QuickSync (it is does depend on the app, however I imagine it does require some kernel support). So is the use of FreeBSD as an HTPC OS is illogical and I should use another one? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 15 23:39:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2151065670 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 23:39:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from btillman99@yahoo.com) Received: from nm19-vm1.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm19-vm1.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.53.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 55F658FC12 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 23:39:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.52.190] by nm19.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2011 23:39:49 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.136] by tm3.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2011 23:39:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1019.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2011 23:39:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 255369.2575.bm@omp1019.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 95784 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Sep 2011 23:39:48 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1316129988; bh=pHmqlhDF+B+MmRIa94TfM04sAyuzV9IXVvbH4nzXslY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WvTfKeCNjDwZq7HQMnS9Gyguosheu3SJ2+0l9aybb+wBln9Xr8VpiHYmcYFxPSGce60nFuYMMTKsFug2cKnR99g8TkkMwuqO0xQjZixmhKxIgtLf2thQYLvuY3PhyRag/E3RqLlrWibim92v8zV3ZoxadykC1DrArSK71gsJsUw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VAD9EyJWhdK0X6ewhYoiDxa3KwQx+9aEQVrctgHqylFOSNZN76nFJiq4/PATCiStzggGAQ5+lNZuG+9MGY/VNWMR3DBX6jToKcUR27540UV+d2hsbhc6PW8Z+dyRABGZH9d4tO06Fy4+VRapR8aJK8xXxH+99c/Xs818/4uSFYs=; X-YMail-OSG: WGWmjj0VM1nAeJDMv31aAxlSLoAGpD0RWxvMu2K8ubxbrkA dSaFAOm.4 Received: from [208.125.219.194] by web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:39:48 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.113.315625 References: Message-ID: <1316129988.95594.YahooMailNeo@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:39:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Tillman To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 00:05:56 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Please secure your FTP access X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bill Tillman List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 23:39:50 -0000 From: Sarang......... To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 3:43 PM Subject: Please secure your FTP access Oooh! This big bad but ethical hacker is going to erase all the FTP files.... I'm shaking in my boots. Please Mr. Big Bad, don't hurt us! Now close your cup holder and take this advice. Don't go away mad....just go away! H! there, I have seen your site and also got ftp access.. Please secure your ftp acces otherwise anyone can delete your data.... Why anyone? even I am also interested in it.. please move your ass otherwise it will cost you. If you are not going to fix this problem then I will delete all the files tommorrow... Take care.. Ethical but Bad Hacker... _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 00:24:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D55106566C for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 00:24:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ashley.wil@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f45.google.com (mail-vw0-f45.google.com [209.85.212.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5277B8FC0C for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 00:24:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws17 with SMTP id 17so5635537vws.18 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 17:24:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=cGEOLPfAkTXudcINPTv7nxDMBfk8uJsKvYc8mzZRekU=; b=swVgmKocuWGY2lyljuF268BGKR3ZRDZJQ+NhileLtkMbgjeaNmbMxNsTF1wWgU1nXy IiEXi9hdyxEAS/45FGC1AKG8hAb9GTx4vXqxyTBbhly2zfR+WBhQdkBR3LTLSlTTLekX +/vP2rbE0dsc7xyien2h6s6tzHH6SOh0Z0orY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.89.165 with SMTP id bp5mr136535vdb.339.1316132679645; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 17:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.108.133 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 17:24:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110915210644.58839.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> References: <20110915210644.58839.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:24:39 +1000 Message-ID: From: Ashley Williams To: Scott Ballantyne Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Java6 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 00:24:40 -0000 On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Scott Ballantyne wrote: > Hi, > > After upgrading to Java6, I am having a problem when I launch the Java > application that my bank/broker uses. It halts with "Start: applet not > initialized." Unfortunately, FreeBSD is not a 'supported platform' > for my bank/broker, and they won't provide any support. > > It does work on Windows platforms, but I would prefer to use it on FreeBSD. > > Any suggestions? > Can you provide any console output ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 01:01:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4359B1065670 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 01:01:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F2C8FC0A for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 01:01:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p8G11Ju3004853; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:01:19 +0100 Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (host-92-22-130-66.as13285.net [92.22.130.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p8G11IBo004846; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:01:19 +0100 Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B2D6233C1F; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:01:18 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:01:18 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: Scott Ballantyne Message-ID: <20110916010118.GA41952@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <20110915210644.58839.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jI8keyz6grp/JLjh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110915210644.58839.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Java6 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 01:01:22 -0000 --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 09:06:44PM -0000, Scott Ballantyne wrote: > > Hi, >=20 > After upgrading to Java6, I am having a problem when I launch the Java > application that my bank/broker uses. It halts with "Start: applet not > initialized." Unfortunately, FreeBSD is not a 'supported platform' > for my bank/broker, and they won't provide any support.=20 >=20 > It does work on Windows platforms, but I would prefer to use it on FreeBS= D. >=20 > Any suggestions? >=20 Did you register your new Java VM? See: javavm(1) and the manpages referenced in the "See also:" section of that manpage. Regards, --=20 Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk5yn9YACgkQHduKvUAgeK4SEwCeJ8TQseyFtyeqGOlBI3WAY5FY AowAn1sZzx32F5zmwKhJN5n7ziIvxqX1 =QGn7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 01:06:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F861065670 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 01:06:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7E08FC13 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 01:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p8G1605A005263; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:06:00 +0100 Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (host-92-22-130-66.as13285.net [92.22.130.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p8G15xsk005256; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:05:59 +0100 Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9E2BF33C1F; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:05:59 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:05:59 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: Allen Message-ID: <20110916010559.GB41952@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <4E5EF2B0002E5440@> <4E72723B.4020309@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E72723B.4020309@comcast.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please secure your FTP access X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 01:06:03 -0000 --ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 05:46:35PM -0400, Allen wrote: > > Sorry for top posting but can anyone send this to "Computer Stupidities" > ? It seems to good to waste like this. Anyone who thinks they're a > Hacker yet doesn't know how FTP works is not only funny, it's > entertainment. And also, the web site I'm speaking of, has a similar > story sent in from another reader, where they talked about back when > they were in a Web Development class once, the teacher partnered > everyone up with someone else, and so, since he had already made his own > web site, he figured he'd show it to his new partner, and said "This is > my web site here" and the guy, like a moron, highlighted ALL of the text > with a Mouse, and threatened to hit the "Delete" button on the Keyboard... >=20 > This reminds me of that quite a bit lol. >=20 You may mock him now but wait until he discovers csup. With his uber skills he'll be able to delete all our source files! Will you be laughing then?=20 ;) Regards, --=20 Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html --ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk5yoPUACgkQHduKvUAgeK5liwCfRiHZFfEi+H+E0oyLzm6wEObt sVoAniTWm6FT1MG+0m475UD7ZN4CpRSO =oO35 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 02:46:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E2371065670 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:46:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sdb@ssr.com) Received: from mailhost.ssr.com (mailhost.ssr.com [199.4.235.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E35E88FC14 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:46:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 69096 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2011 02:41:09 -0000 Received: from pool-72-89-110-241.nycmny.east.verizon.net (HELO irelay.ssr.com) (sdb@72.89.110.241) by 199.4.235.5 with SMTP; 16 Sep 2011 02:41:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 59756 invoked by uid 103); 16 Sep 2011 02:31:10 -0000 Date: 16 Sep 2011 02:31:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20110916023110.59755.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> From: Scott Ballantyne To: Frank Shute In-reply-to: <20110916010118.GA41952@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> (message from Frank Shute on Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:01:18 +0100) References: <20110915210644.58839.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> <20110916010118.GA41952@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Java6 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:46:07 -0000 > [1:text/plain Hide] > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 09:06:44PM -0000, Scott Ballantyne wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > After upgrading to Java6, I am having a problem when I launch the Java > > application that my bank/broker uses. It halts with "Start: applet not > > initialized." Unfortunately, FreeBSD is not a 'supported platform' > > for my bank/broker, and they won't provide any support. > > > > It does work on Windows platforms, but I would prefer to use it on FreeBSD. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Did you register your new Java VM? See: javavm(1) and the manpages > referenced in the "See also:" section of that manpage. > Hi Frank, Thank you. That was apparently already taken care of by the installation: registervm: warning: JavaVM "/usr/local/diablo-jdk1.6.0/bin/java" is already registered Thanks again, Scott -- sdb@ssr.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 02:49:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6371065672 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:49:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sdb@ssr.com) Received: from mailhost.ssr.com (mailhost.ssr.com [199.4.235.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D04B68FC08 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 69167 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2011 02:44:36 -0000 Received: from pool-72-89-110-241.nycmny.east.verizon.net (HELO irelay.ssr.com) (sdb@72.89.110.241) by 199.4.235.5 with SMTP; 16 Sep 2011 02:44:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 59772 invoked by uid 103); 16 Sep 2011 02:34:37 -0000 Date: 16 Sep 2011 02:34:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20110916023437.59771.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> From: Scott Ballantyne To: Ashley Williams In-reply-to: (message from Ashley Williams on Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:24:39 +1000) References: <20110915210644.58839.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Java6 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:49:34 -0000 > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Scott Ballantyne wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > After upgrading to Java6, I am having a problem when I launch the Java > > application that my bank/broker uses. It halts with "Start: applet not > > initialized." Unfortunately, FreeBSD is not a 'supported platform' > > for my bank/broker, and they won't provide any support. > > > > It does work on Windows platforms, but I would prefer to use it on FreeBSD. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > > Can you provide any console output ? Hi Ashley, There is only one on the 'messages' console: www.webschwab.com : server does not support RFC 5746, see CVE-2009-3555 It worked with earlier versions, however. Thanks for any assistance you can provide. Scott -- sdb@ssr.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 03:21:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433BA106566B for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 03:21:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB198FC14 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 03:21:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxg9 with SMTP id 9so1727602fxg.13 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:21:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GSBKk144vzPE3bqPMl6F8ejU2V7Bn40pbJbWU+JVvMo=; b=MVJV4jrcXDZmR1j2CxdxCxy1ckoMZ9BckdyET3tQzaz6WaJ2ovjEGokdJKCNPpsR2e bvF4tgAJVQveGh0QJ9B3SmAbFnDtptGoEkHNxD0L/rvUWcn0yIAXkeUEWiyh9eRsrCUp Y/IJSmJ93D+HyNRycrbUwKz/frfS3YgZdwmL4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.47.216 with SMTP id o24mr710499faf.145.1316143291715; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.75.205 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:21:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110916010559.GB41952@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <4E72723B.4020309@comcast.net> <20110916010559.GB41952@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 23:21:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Frank Shute Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Allen , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please secure your FTP access X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 03:21:33 -0000 On 15 September 2011 21:05, Frank Shute wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 05:46:35PM -0400, Allen wrote: >> >> Sorry for top posting but can anyone send this to "Computer Stupidities" >> ? It seems to good to waste like this. =A0Anyone who thinks they're a >> Hacker yet doesn't know how FTP works is not only funny, it's >> entertainment. And also, the web site I'm speaking of, has a similar >> story sent in from another reader, where they talked about back when >> they were in a Web Development class once, the teacher partnered >> everyone up with someone else, and so, since he had already made his own >> web site, he figured he'd show it to his new partner, and said "This is >> my web site here" and the guy, like a moron, highlighted ALL of the text >> with a Mouse, and threatened to hit the "Delete" button on the Keyboard.= .. >> >> This reminds me of that quite a bit lol. >> > > You may mock him now but wait until he discovers csup. With his uber > skills he'll be able to delete all our source files! > > Will you be laughing then? > > ;) > I just ran svn co on your source repository and then symlinked to /dev/null Send me $45 and a Journey T-shirt or I'll run svn ci . . . --=20 -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 03:52:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9CF106566B for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 03:52:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB5018FC13 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 03:52:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.93.1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (account sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.125.240] verified) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.13) with ESMTPSA id 20426673 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:52:55 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p8G3qshm093775 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:52:55 +0700 (OMSST) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id p8G3qsK9093774 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:52:54 +0700 (OMSST) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:52:54 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110916035254.GC92792@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mail-Followup-To: Victor Sudakov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110909062121.GA28440@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20110912055755.GA79151@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.livejournal.com/pubkey.bml?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 Subject: Re: Need an audio multicasting solution X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 03:52:58 -0000 Alejandro Imass wrote: > > > > > A quick look at Icecast showed that it does not support multicast either. > > It this true? If so, Icecast is completely useless for my scenario. > > > > AFAIK very few media streamers (or none) actually support real IPv4 > (Class D) Multicast. They support what is known as "application > multicast" akin to a multi-process/multi-threaded Web server. > > I don't know much about real IPv4 Multicast but I've heard it's not > that easy to do in the real world and would probably require > coordination with your ISP unless you're multicasting in a private > networks. I use multicasting in a corporate network. > Again, IMHO because I've never even attempted multicasting. It's fun and very pleasing aesthetically :) At least on Cisco. As to the original question. I have had some success with multimedia/ffmpeg, at least this: ffmpeg -i file.mp3 -acodec copy -f rtp rtp://239.8.8.8:5000 -re does send a multicast stream which can be listened to with VLC (but not mplayer for some reason) on multiple hosts. Now I need to figure out how to stream live sound from /dev/dsp. All my attemps to record sound from a USB audio interface have resulted so far in a severely distorted growl instead of normal voice. Does anybody know how to figure out the sampling rate and other parameters of the sound card? "cat /dev/sndstat" does not output anything really useful. > > Why do you need multicasting anyway? To save bandwidth mostly, and it's fun to setup :). Taking into account that I have PIM working across all our WAN links (an in-house monitoring/alarm system relies thereupon), it would be nice to use this infrastructure for sound too. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 03:57:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0FD1065672 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 03:57:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3898FC12 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 03:57:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.93.1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (account sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.125.240] verified) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.13) with ESMTPSA id 20426756 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:57:05 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p8G3v5GW093853 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:57:05 +0700 (OMSST) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id p8G3v4tJ093852 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:57:04 +0700 (OMSST) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:57:04 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110916035704.GD92792@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mail-Followup-To: Victor Sudakov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110909062121.GA28440@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <4E5EF2B00027F723@> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E5EF2B00027F723@> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.livejournal.com/pubkey.bml?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 Subject: Re: Need an audio multicasting solution X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 03:57:08 -0000 Eduardo Morras wrote: > > > >I need a solution to read sound from a soundcard (/dev/dsp) and > >multicast it into the network, for the multicast audio stream to be > >played on FreeBSD, Linux and Windows workstations. No sophisticated > >codecs needed, plain PCM would do. > > > >Can you advise something? I know that in theory there are many ways to > >implement this, but I am especially interested in personal first-hand > >experience, success stories or good white papers. Please no > >lmgtfu-type replies. Thanks very much in advance. > > You can use videolan / vlc. It allows you to multicast video too. In > September 2011 BSD Magazine you have some examples about that. I like vlc on Linux/Windows machines. But installing it to a streaming server is a pain. Even if you disable all options in "make config", it still tries to build scores of dependencies including some components of the X Window system. Not nice. Now I am experimenting with ffmpeg (with ffserver and without) with moderate success. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 08:16:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72DCA106564A for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 08:16:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) Received: from mxin.ulb.ac.be (mxin.ulb.ac.be [164.15.128.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1CB38FC14 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 08:16:08 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqsBAKr5ck6kD30E/2dsb2JhbAAMNYRVoQeEclU9FgsCCwMCAQIBSw0IAQGqcJFXhWeBEQSON4odjCM Received: from bebif01.ulb.ac.be (HELO [10.0.0.194]) ([164.15.125.4]) by smtp.ulb.ac.be with ESMTP; 16 Sep 2011 10:16:07 +0200 Message-ID: <4E7305C6.1020107@ulb.ac.be> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:16:06 +0200 From: Julien Cigar Organization: Belgian Biodiversity Platform User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110908 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000603020202030909090708" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: AHCI: Error while READ LOG EXT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 08:16:09 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000603020202030909090708 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I got strange errors from ahci this morning (on a 8.2-RELEASE box): +ahcich3: Error while READ LOG EXT +ahcich3: Error while READ LOG EXT +GEOM_MIRROR: Request failed (error=5). ada1[READ(offset=457644130304, length=16384)] +GEOM_MIRROR: Device backup: provider ada1 disconnected. +(ada1:ahcich3:0:0:0): Synchronize cache failed +ahcich3: Error while READ LOG EXT +ahcich3: Error while READ LOG EXT +ahcich3: Error while READ LOG EXT The disks are quite recent, so I wondered if it could be a bug in the ahci driver .. ? The controller is a JMicron: ahci1@pci0:0:31:2: class=0x010601 card=0x81ec1043 chip=0x28248086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801HR/HO/HH (ICH8R/DO/DH) SATA AHCI Controller' class = mass storage subclass = SATA ahci0@pci0:2:0:0: class=0x010601 card=0x81e41043 chip=0x2363197b rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'JMicron Technology Corp.' device = 'JMicron JMB362/JMB363 AHCI Controller (JMB36X)' class = mass storage subclass = SATA atapci0@pci0:2:0:1: class=0x010185 card=0x81e41043 chip=0x2363197b rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'JMicron Technology Corp.' device = 'JMicron JMB362/JMB363 AHCI Controller (JMB36X)' class = mass storage subclass = ATA thank you, Julien -- No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. --------------000603020202030909090708-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 09:43:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CADF61065673 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 09:43:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oiseaumer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B948FC0C for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 09:43:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwe3 with SMTP id 3so4568566wwe.31 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:43:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jn9pVi0xkYuArkoBQB1HOCTgUMkJNytt9F8lfudVFy4=; b=Y05HfzhInLuJRM9yNSP5sVAMSOnu3hwso2v77f1h6oOxslXzfXJkTyLkX/+9ej4lsJ 1921M0vn6PwcCyuoShwxZmMcATD2tJAPKpwESZWHxR96awlt8O2d/PqQdnXWxIZcGP+8 IS7CTZJpKCmV/Lp8aig5e9RMtWDZJbN/R2qW4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.136.159 with SMTP id w31mr460485wei.53.1316164342634; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.171.138 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:12:22 +0800 Message-ID: From: "L'oiseau de mer" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: About swap_pager I/O error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 09:43:01 -0000 My FreeBSD Machine sometimes appear these messages: swap_pager: I/O error - pageout failed; blkno 2097158,size 4096, error 6 (or error 11) swap_pager: I/O error - pageout failed; blkno 1048581,size 4096, error 6 swap_pager: I/O error - pageout failed; blkno 2097167,size 8192, error 6 ... This error messages often destroy some normal process or demond. If not do reboot my system, i don't know how to deal with this problem. our work is dump/restore these systems, and the methode that add/remove these new disk is "camcontrol rescan all". But i don't know whether it is this reason that device not configured or not. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 10:57:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07059106564A for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:57:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com (mail-wy0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807B48FC0C for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyg24 with SMTP id 24so4898175wyg.17 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 03:57:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZixPxBWHjGBX4XhSOA+dx2KKma8jsH1Cws6JHB8/UIE=; b=H9d2XaRc/1UgaUCDlRKsSDAxSUrVpBdu324CMxu/4XKfLEvokCaIfrAA6T3dSNYTPU g2k+ncMZ1wdksU26iKsB3fLgnmYqzKZLXJbnSLl1EILY1zZaA/3QGEAOW9iVU/IjR5em UM8JT5qviSyE37jNE33Xpzqzh7ONCrC4izWc8= Received: by 10.216.137.76 with SMTP id x54mr578119wei.44.1316170654512; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 03:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fp17sm11913729wbb.6.2011.09.16.03.57.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 16 Sep 2011 03:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:57:21 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110916115721.2c9859b2@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20110916035704.GD92792@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> References: <20110909062121.GA28440@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <4E5EF2B00027F723@> <20110916035704.GD92792@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Need an audio multicasting solution X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:57:36 -0000 On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:57:04 +0700 Victor Sudakov wrote: > > You can use videolan / vlc. It allows you to multicast video too. > > In September 2011 BSD Magazine you have some examples about that. > > I like vlc on Linux/Windows machines. But installing it to a streaming > server is a pain. Even if you disable all options in "make config", it > still tries to build scores of dependencies including some components > of the X Window system. Not nice. did you try setting WITH_SERVER_ONLY? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 10:58:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE29A1065672 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:58:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@top-consulting.net) Received: from smtp3.emailarray.com (smtp3.emailarray.com [65.39.216.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854248FC22 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:58:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 31383 invoked by uid 89); 16 Sep 2011 10:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (freebsd@top-consulting.net@192.168.1.6) (POLARISLOCAL) by smtp3.emailarray.com with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 16 Sep 2011 10:31:54 -0000 Received: from modemcable238.94-200-24.mc.videotron.ca (modemcable238.94-200-24.mc.videotron.ca [24.200.94.238]) by mail.top-consulting.net (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 06:31:53 -0400 Message-ID: <20110916063153.200375qdq59crf8c@mail.top-consulting.net> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 06:31:53 -0400 From: freebsd@top-consulting.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.7) X-Originating-IP: 24.200.94.238 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 16 06:31:55 2011 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.7501 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 301 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 1,4e73259b11841871514974 X-DSPAM-Factors: 27, NFS, 0.01000, /data, 0.01000, /data, 0.01000, 2+93, 0.99000, tests+with, 0.05795, )+I, 0.06572, system+but, 0.07370, server, 0.07822, FreeBSD, 0.09467, FreeBSD, 0.09467, setup, 0.09893, file+system, 0.09916, Subject*(, 0.10954, installed, 0.11134, ?, 0.11976, ?, 0.11976, I+can't, 0.12002, when+doing, 0.13232, options+for, 0.13406, I'm+looking, 0.13513, to+boot, 0.86252, best+choice, 0.13858, I+only, 0.14079, max, 0.14362, the+box, 0.14473, back+end, 0.14841, to+configure, 0.14841 X-PolarisMail-Flags: x Subject: FS of choice for max random iops ( Maildir ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:58:38 -0000 I have a new server that I would like to use as a back-end Maildir storage shared through NFS. The specs are: FreeBSD 9.0 Beta 2 Xeon x3470 @ 2.93 quad-core CPU 4 GB Ram @ 1333mhz ( upgrading to 12GB tomorrow ) 3WARE 9650SE-16LP card with write cache enabled ( battery is installed ) 16 x WD RE3 1TB drives RAID 10 setup Right now I defined an entire array of 8TB ( all 16 disks ) separated in two pieces. 50 GB for FreeBSD to boot and the rest available to configure as storage. I've tried three options for the storage file system but I'm not sure which one is the best option since I can't really reproduce production conditions. I only ran tests with dd and bonnie and here's what I found: A. TEST1: dd bs=1024 if=/dev/zero of=/data/t1 count=1M 1. ZFS performed the worst, averaging 67MB/sec 2. UFS + gjournal did around 130MB/sec 3. UFS did around 190MB/sec B. TEST2 ( random file creation ): bonnie++ -d /data -c 10 -s 0 -n 50 -u 0 1. UFS + gjournal performed the worst 2. ZFS performed somewhat better 3. UFS performed the best again ( about 50% better ) C. TEST3 ( sequential writing ): bonnie++ -d /data -c 10 -s 8088 -n 0 -u 0 1. UFS + gjournal crashed the box 2. ZFS performed average 3. UFS performed better than ZFS ( about 50% better ) I really like the concepts behind ZFS and UFS + Journaling but the performance hit is quite drastic when compared to UFS. What I'm looking for here is max IOPS when doing random read/writes. Is UFS the best choice for this ? Do my results make sense ? 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[80.126.205.144]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u14sm17585986eeh.1.2011.09.16.04.15.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 16 Sep 2011 04:15:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E732FDF.9080307@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:15:43 +0200 From: Johan Hendriks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd@top-consulting.net References: <20110916063153.200375qdq59crf8c@mail.top-consulting.net> In-Reply-To: <20110916063153.200375qdq59crf8c@mail.top-consulting.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FS of choice for max random iops ( Maildir ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:15:49 -0000 freebsd@top-consulting.net schreef: > I have a new server that I would like to use as a back-end Maildir > storage shared through NFS. The specs are: > > FreeBSD 9.0 Beta 2 > Xeon x3470 @ 2.93 quad-core CPU > 4 GB Ram @ 1333mhz ( upgrading to 12GB tomorrow ) > 3WARE 9650SE-16LP card with write cache enabled ( battery is installed ) > 16 x WD RE3 1TB drives > RAID 10 setup > > Right now I defined an entire array of 8TB ( all 16 disks ) separated > in two pieces. 50 GB for FreeBSD to boot and the rest available to > configure as storage. > > I've tried three options for the storage file system but I'm not sure > which one is the best option since I can't really reproduce production > conditions. I only ran tests with dd and bonnie and here's what I found: > > A. TEST1: dd bs=1024 if=/dev/zero of=/data/t1 count=1M > > 1. ZFS performed the worst, averaging 67MB/sec > 2. UFS + gjournal did around 130MB/sec > 3. UFS did around 190MB/sec > > B. TEST2 ( random file creation ): bonnie++ -d /data -c 10 -s 0 -n 50 > -u 0 > > 1. UFS + gjournal performed the worst > 2. ZFS performed somewhat better > 3. UFS performed the best again ( about 50% better ) > > C. TEST3 ( sequential writing ): bonnie++ -d /data -c 10 -s 8088 -n 0 > -u 0 > > 1. UFS + gjournal crashed the box > 2. ZFS performed average > 3. UFS performed better than ZFS ( about 50% better ) > > > I really like the concepts behind ZFS and UFS + Journaling but the > performance hit is quite drastic when compared to UFS. > > What I'm looking for here is max IOPS when doing random read/writes. > Is UFS the best choice for this ? Do my results make sense ? > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Did you use raidz1 2 or 3 or mirror for the ZFS ppol. I believe that ZFS mirror gives you the best performance, but the least actual space. If you did make a raidz[1,2,3] try it with a mirror pool. Also do not use the raid function of your raid controller if you use ZFS, this way you loose the goodies of zfs. If you setup ZFS use JBOD on the raid controller. Gr Johan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 11:30:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 315061065675 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:30:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@top-consulting.net) Received: from smtp1.emailarray.com (smtp1.emailarray.com [65.39.216.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCCD08FC18 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:30:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 7152 invoked by uid 89); 16 Sep 2011 11:30:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (freebsd@top-consulting.net@192.168.1.6) (POLARISLOCAL) by smtp1.emailarray.com with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 16 Sep 2011 11:30:13 -0000 Received: from modemcable238.94-200-24.mc.videotron.ca (modemcable238.94-200-24.mc.videotron.ca [24.200.94.238]) by mail.top-consulting.net (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 07:30:13 -0400 Message-ID: <20110916073013.37776ih29rdcux8o@mail.top-consulting.net> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 07:30:13 -0400 From: freebsd@top-consulting.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110916063153.200375qdq59crf8c@mail.top-consulting.net> <4E732FDF.9080307@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E732FDF.9080307@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.7) X-Originating-IP: 24.200.94.238 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 16 07:30:14 2011 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.7416 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 288 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 1,4e73334611845090116656 X-DSPAM-Factors: 27, compression+and, 0.01000, NFS, 0.01000, use+>, 0.01000, /data, 0.01000, /data, 0.01000, References*gmail.com>, 0.01000, Url*questions, 0.99000, 2+93, 0.99000, bad+Is, 0.01000, a+mirror, 0.01432, Also+do, 0.02467, the+disks, 0.02748, >>+To, 0.02771, >+Did, 0.02984, and+>>, 0.04394, >>+>>, 0.04503, >>+>>, 0.04503, _______________________________________________, 0.04659, tests+with, 0.05794, system+but, 0.07370, server, 0.07822, FreeBSD, 0.09467, FreeBSD, 0.09467, Subject*Re, 0.09826, setup, 0.09893, setup, 0.09893, file+system, 0.09915 X-PolarisMail-Flags: x Subject: Re: FS of choice for max random iops ( Maildir ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:30:17 -0000 Quoting Johan Hendriks : > freebsd@top-consulting.net schreef: >> I have a new server that I would like to use as a back-end Maildir >> storage shared through NFS. The specs are: >> >> FreeBSD 9.0 Beta 2 >> Xeon x3470 @ 2.93 quad-core CPU >> 4 GB Ram @ 1333mhz ( upgrading to 12GB tomorrow ) >> 3WARE 9650SE-16LP card with write cache enabled ( battery is installed ) >> 16 x WD RE3 1TB drives >> RAID 10 setup >> >> Right now I defined an entire array of 8TB ( all 16 disks ) >> separated in two pieces. 50 GB for FreeBSD to boot and the rest >> available to configure as storage. >> >> I've tried three options for the storage file system but I'm not >> sure which one is the best option since I can't really reproduce >> production conditions. I only ran tests with dd and bonnie and >> here's what I found: >> >> A. TEST1: dd bs=1024 if=/dev/zero of=/data/t1 count=1M >> >> 1. ZFS performed the worst, averaging 67MB/sec >> 2. UFS + gjournal did around 130MB/sec >> 3. UFS did around 190MB/sec >> >> B. TEST2 ( random file creation ): bonnie++ -d /data -c 10 -s 0 -n 50 -u 0 >> >> 1. UFS + gjournal performed the worst >> 2. ZFS performed somewhat better >> 3. UFS performed the best again ( about 50% better ) >> >> C. TEST3 ( sequential writing ): bonnie++ -d /data -c 10 -s 8088 -n 0 -u 0 >> >> 1. UFS + gjournal crashed the box >> 2. ZFS performed average >> 3. UFS performed better than ZFS ( about 50% better ) >> >> >> I really like the concepts behind ZFS and UFS + Journaling but the >> performance hit is quite drastic when compared to UFS. >> >> What I'm looking for here is max IOPS when doing random >> read/writes. Is UFS the best choice for this ? Do my results make >> sense ? >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Did you use raidz1 2 or 3 or mirror for the ZFS ppol. > I believe that ZFS mirror gives you the best performance, but the > least actual space. > > If you did make a raidz[1,2,3] try it with a mirror pool. > > Also do not use the raid function of your raid controller if you use > ZFS, this way you loose the goodies of zfs. > If you setup ZFS use JBOD on the raid controller. > > > Gr > Johan > > I simply did a : zpool create data da1 and no zfs-level raid. I also created a dataset - tried both with lzjb compression and without - but the results were similar, aka bad. Is zfs supposed to be faster if you let it manage the disks directly ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 11:43:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FB5106564A for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:43:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4EF58FC08 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:43:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R4Wpj-0006zU-Ad for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:43:51 +0200 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:43:51 +0200 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:43:51 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:43:36 +0200 Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <20110916063153.200375qdq59crf8c@mail.top-consulting.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:6.0.1) Gecko/20110907 Thunderbird/6.0.1 In-Reply-To: <20110916063153.200375qdq59crf8c@mail.top-consulting.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Subject: Re: FS of choice for max random iops ( Maildir ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:43:53 -0000 On 16/09/2011 12:31, freebsd@top-consulting.net wrote: > A. TEST1: dd bs=1024 if=/dev/zero of=/data/t1 count=1M > > 1. ZFS performed the worst, averaging 67MB/sec > 2. UFS + gjournal did around 130MB/sec > 3. UFS did around 190MB/sec > > B. TEST2 ( random file creation ): bonnie++ -d /data -c 10 -s 0 -n 50 -u 0 > > 1. UFS + gjournal performed the worst > 2. ZFS performed somewhat better > 3. UFS performed the best again ( about 50% better ) > > C. TEST3 ( sequential writing ): bonnie++ -d /data -c 10 -s 8088 -n 0 -u 0 > > 1. UFS + gjournal crashed the box > 2. ZFS performed average > 3. UFS performed better than ZFS ( about 50% better ) > > > I really like the concepts behind ZFS and UFS + Journaling but the > performance hit is quite drastic when compared to UFS. > > What I'm looking for here is max IOPS when doing random read/writes. Is > UFS the best choice for this ? Do my results make sense ? Your tests do look a bit odd - ZFS usually does better on sequential and UFS on random IO (rw mix). For random IO I'd go with UFS. Try comparing with blogbench. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 13:14:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D70CA1065679 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:14:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 925898FC1A for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:14:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R4YF5-00044w-Q9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:14:07 +0200 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:14:07 +0200 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:14:07 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:13:53 +0200 Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <20110916063153.200375qdq59crf8c@mail.top-consulting.net> <4E732FDF.9080307@gmail.com> <20110916073013.37776ih29rdcux8o@mail.top-consulting.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:6.0.1) Gecko/20110907 Thunderbird/6.0.1 In-Reply-To: <20110916073013.37776ih29rdcux8o@mail.top-consulting.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Subject: Re: FS of choice for max random iops ( Maildir ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:14:09 -0000 On 16/09/2011 13:30, freebsd@top-consulting.net wrote: > Is zfs supposed to be faster if you let it manage the disks directly ? > Not necessarily faster (in fact, RAID-Z variants have known limitations which are not so pronounced in RAID5/6), but definitely more convenient and in some respects safer. I would test very carefully if you need speed and stability from ZFS. For one thing, you will probably want to reduce the block size in ZFS to 8K or such. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 13:36:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D62E106564A for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:36:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from terje@elde.net) Received: from keepquiet.net (keepquiet.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:130:84c1::deaf:babe]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605678FC0A for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:36:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [46.66.20.205] (46.66.20.205.tmi.telenormobil.no [46.66.20.205]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: terje@elde.net) by keepquiet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B9D2A2E1C8; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:36:06 +0200 (CEST) References: <20110916063153.200375qdq59crf8c@mail.top-consulting.net> In-Reply-To: <20110916063153.200375qdq59crf8c@mail.top-consulting.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <32990703-D068-4B0D-AF3A-C1E6EA0A4100@elde.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8C148) From: Terje Elde Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:35:54 +0200 To: "freebsd@top-consulting.net" Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: FS of choice for max random iops ( Maildir ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:36:11 -0000 On 16. sep. 2011, at 12:31, freebsd@top-consulting.net wrote: > Right now I defined an entire array of 8TB ( all 16 disks ) separated in t= wo pieces. 50 GB for FreeBSD to boot and the rest available to configure as s= torage. ZFS will want to write to it's ZIL (zfs intent log) before writing to the fi= nal location of the data. Even if you're not waiting for the ZIL-write to di= sk (because of the controller ram), those writes will probably make it throu= gh to disk. That gives you twice as many writes to disk, and a lot more seek= .=20 If you want to take zfs for a proper spin, I'd like to sugget adding two sma= ll SSDs to the setup, mirrored by zfs. You can use those both for the ZIL, a= nd also as cache, for the array. That's a fairly small investment these days= , and I would be surprised if it didn't significantly improve performance, b= oth for your benchmark, and real load.=20 Note: you might be in trouble if you loose your ZIL, thus the doubling up. I= *think* you can SSD a cache without risking dataloss, but don't take my wor= d for it.=20 Terje= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 13:51:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7370106564A for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:51:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevin.wilcox@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f45.google.com (mail-pz0-f45.google.com [209.85.210.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58028FC0A for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:51:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33so2460194pzk.4 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 06:51:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=IoF9n+yBXFY3CorFHu5NE41r281dFhRIbpo6de/Bx1A=; b=rokL+pvNwXZE7umU9/g65DbsTmM/2n9QGBN9ZCLxV4ORN+TZ6DmkSmJxzR1nmcUeKO hqWB1mDYfTlbiF96aeHCQvRr+GEkAIxJxihqHWr1fVFj3GVGcDkwmLBVAUV0meA9l2oW 6h7JElRshaBm2Fiy5kTycRTizTfl7/fQMQ7Mg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.43.195 with SMTP id y3mr1331953pbl.193.1316179688687; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 06:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.52.230 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 06:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 09:28:08 -0400 Message-ID: From: Kevin Wilcox To: Free BSD Questions list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: PF and dup-to? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:51:17 -0000 Hi folks, I have the following pf.conf on FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE *and* 8.2-RELEASE =============================== set block-policy return set skip on lo int_if=bge1 ext_if=bge0 dup_if=dc0 # NAT rule nat on $ext_if from $int_if:network to any -> ($ext_if) sticky-address # # Windows RDP redirection... # # we have to stick a pass rule inside the rdr rule. # I think it's nasty but it works. # rdr pass on $ext_if proto tcp from any to $ext_if port rdp -> 10.201.201.101 # same for the Apache test instance rdr pass on $ext_if proto tcp from any to $ext_if port http -> 10.201.201.102 # And to proxy web traffic from the inside # disabled temporarily # rdr pass on $int_if proto tcp from any to any port 80 -> 127.0.0.1 port 3128 # block everything block in all block out all pass out quick on dc0 # allow everything from the NAT and any outbound connections from the FW pass in on $int_if from any to any keep state pass out on $ext_if from any to any keep state # # SSH # # allow inbound on the external interface pass in on $ext_if proto tcp from any to ($ext_if) port ssh keep state # # Windows Remote Desktop # pass out on $int_if proto tcp from any to 10.201.201.101 port rdp keep state # # Apache test instance # pass out on $int_if proto tcp from any to 10.201.201.102 port http keep state # # temp to allow any connections from the FW to come to the internal net; # note this is inclusive of the above two pass out rules pass out on $int_if from ($int_if) to 10.201.201.0/24 =============================== When I change pass in on $int_if from any to any keep state to pass in on $int_if dup-to $dup_if from any to any keep state or pass in on $int_if dup-to ($dup_if 192.168.1.2) all all traffic to the outside stops passing. In addition, I get a TON of kernel messages: arpresolve: can't allocate llinfo for 10.201.201.1 arpresolve: can't allocate llinfo for 10.201.201.1 arpresolve: can't allocate llinfo for 152.10.2.222 arpresolve: can't allocate llinfo for 10.201.201.1 arpresolve: can't allocate llinfo for 10.201.201.1 arpresolve: can't allocate llinfo for 10.201.201.1 arpresolve: can't allocate llinfo for 10.201.201.1 arpresolve: can't allocate llianrfpor efsoorl v1e0:. 2c0a1n.'2t0 1a.l1l o cate llinfo for 10.201.201.1 arpresolve: can't allocate llinfo for 10.201.201.1 arpresolve: can't allocate llinfo for 152.10.2.222 arpresolve: can't allocate llinfo for 10.201.201.1 arpresolve: can't allocate llinfo for 10.201.201.1 arpresolve: can't allocate llinfo for 152.10.2.222 My understanding of dup-to is that it should allow the interface to basically act as a span port - the original traffic gets passed via normal routing rules and a copy of each packet gets sent out $dup_if and should be visible via tcpdump on the other end but a tcpdump of dc0 doesn't see the traffic ever leaving the interface. Apparently I have a fundamental misunderstanding somewhere along the way or I've been looking at this for far too long over the last few days and I'm missing something extremely basic. I'll test with another laptop with a different configuration and reply back with any success I find. Thanks! kmw From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 13:57:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0A8106564A for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:57:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@top-consulting.net) Received: from smtp3.emailarray.com (smtp3.emailarray.com [65.39.216.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F6F8FC0C for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:57:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 70120 invoked by uid 89); 16 Sep 2011 13:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (freebsd@top-consulting.net@192.168.1.6) (POLARISLOCAL) by smtp3.emailarray.com with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 16 Sep 2011 13:57:51 -0000 Received: from modemcable238.94-200-24.mc.videotron.ca (modemcable238.94-200-24.mc.videotron.ca [24.200.94.238]) by mail.top-consulting.net (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 09:57:45 -0400 Message-ID: <20110916095745.872947fg6vym1vy8@mail.top-consulting.net> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 09:57:45 -0400 From: freebsd@top-consulting.net To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <20110916063153.200375qdq59crf8c@mail.top-consulting.net> <32990703-D068-4B0D-AF3A-C1E6EA0A4100@elde.net> In-Reply-To: <32990703-D068-4B0D-AF3A-C1E6EA0A4100@elde.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.7) X-Originating-IP: 24.200.94.238 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 16 09:57:52 2011 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9284 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 1297 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 1,4e7355e011841930556863 X-DSPAM-Factors: 27, net>+>, 0.01000, the+setup, 0.01000, net+wrote, 0.01000, >+two, 0.01000, Note+you, 0.01000, trouble+if, 0.01000, >+On, 0.02929, (because, 0.06134, surprised+if, 0.06134, wrote, 0.06330, to+it's, 0.06950, two+small, 0.08225, in+trouble, 0.08523, up+I, 0.09383, FreeBSD, 0.09467, a+fairly, 0.09656, Subject*Re, 0.09826, setup, 0.09893, at+12, 0.10225, Subject*(, 0.10954, the+raid, 0.11560, >+Note, 0.11560, ?, 0.11976, I+think, 0.12153, but+since, 0.12236, wrote+>>, 0.12814, before+writing, 0.13558 X-PolarisMail-Flags: x Subject: Re: FS of choice for max random iops ( Maildir ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:57:54 -0000 Quoting Terje Elde : > On 16. sep. 2011, at 12:31, freebsd@top-consulting.net wrote: >> Right now I defined an entire array of 8TB ( all 16 disks ) >> separated in two pieces. 50 GB for FreeBSD to boot and the rest >> available to configure as storage. > > ZFS will want to write to it's ZIL (zfs intent log) before writing > to the final location of the data. Even if you're not waiting for > the ZIL-write to disk (because of the controller ram), those writes > will probably make it through to disk. That gives you twice as many > writes to disk, and a lot more seek. > > If you want to take zfs for a proper spin, I'd like to sugget adding > two small SSDs to the setup, mirrored by zfs. You can use those both > for the ZIL, and also as cache, for the array. That's a fairly small > investment these days, and I would be surprised if it didn't > significantly improve performance, both for your benchmark, and real > load. > > Note: you might be in trouble if you loose your ZIL, thus the > doubling up. I *think* you can SSD a cache without risking dataloss, > but don't take my word for it. > > Terje I know it's usually a big no-no but since I have the battery backed-up write cache from the raid card, can't I just disable the ZIL entirely ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 14:10:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1EA5106564A for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:10:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from mwi1.coffeenet.org (unknown [IPv6:2607:f4e0:100:300::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2CC8FC08 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:10:59 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=In-Reply-To:Message-Id:From:Mime-Version:Date:References:Subject:To:Content-Type; bh=7MVOnGNGQWz8NfDNps1TUUTCqjpXb1/w9lPmW7yhweQ=; b=tlf4jOTEe4Falm2RG4nibzm5DP6UeDBJSmoUSV1zaOcCUO0LAeMCo8Eap8/HUNvRNwsLfHt2/4H9FSXYpvWKE8OE73301BmWf77mRXZl4Y58/vGaOSqpxFFtaCYYfdKg; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by mwi1.coffeenet.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1R4Z85-0005FE-D8 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 09:10:58 -0500 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.3) with esmtpsa id 1316182251-52523-52522/4/4; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:10:51 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110916063153.200375qdq59crf8c@mail.top-consulting.net> <32990703-D068-4B0D-AF3A-C1E6EA0A4100@elde.net> <20110916095745.872947fg6vym1vy8@mail.top-consulting.net> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 09:10:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Felder Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20110916095745.872947fg6vym1vy8@mail.top-consulting.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.51 (FreeBSD) X-SA-Score: -1.0 Subject: Re: FS of choice for max random iops ( Maildir ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:10:59 -0000 On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 08:57:45 -0500, wrote: > > I know it's usually a big no-no but since I have the battery backed-up > write cache from the raid card, can't I just disable the ZIL entirely ? No. ZFS doesn't work the way traditional filesystems do. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 14:18:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970BA106566B for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:18:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@top-consulting.net) Received: from smtp.emailarray.com (mail.emailarray.com [69.28.212.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E698FC1D for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:18:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 68480 invoked by uid 89); 16 Sep 2011 14:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (freebsd@top-consulting.net@192.168.1.6) (POLARISLOCAL) by smtp.emailarray.com with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 16 Sep 2011 14:18:38 -0000 Received: from modemcable238.94-200-24.mc.videotron.ca (modemcable238.94-200-24.mc.videotron.ca [24.200.94.238]) by mail.top-consulting.net (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:18:33 -0400 Message-ID: <20110916101833.17485ybnq5srjbc4@mail.top-consulting.net> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:18:33 -0400 From: freebsd@top-consulting.net Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110916063153.200375qdq59crf8c@mail.top-consulting.net> <32990703-D068-4B0D-AF3A-C1E6EA0A4100@elde.net> In-Reply-To: <32990703-D068-4B0D-AF3A-C1E6EA0A4100@elde.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.7) X-Originating-IP: 24.200.94.238 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 16 10:18:39 2011 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9419 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 1623 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 1,4e735abf11847029613501 X-DSPAM-Factors: 27, net>+>, 0.01000, the+setup, 0.01000, net+wrote, 0.01000, is+configured, 0.01000, >+two, 0.01000, Note+you, 0.01000, p9, 0.01000, trouble+if, 0.01000, >+On, 0.02929, commands+that, 0.06134, (because, 0.06134, surprised+if, 0.06134, wrote, 0.06330, p12, 0.06384, to+it's, 0.06950, two+small, 0.08225, in+trouble, 0.08523, up+I, 0.09383, FreeBSD, 0.09467, a+fairly, 0.09656, Subject*Re, 0.09826, setup, 0.09893, at+12, 0.10225, synchronous, 0.10409, Subject*(, 0.10954, in+14, 0.11560, >+Note, 0.11560 X-PolarisMail-Flags: x Subject: Re: FS of choice for max random iops ( Maildir ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:18:41 -0000 Quoting Terje Elde : > On 16. sep. 2011, at 12:31, freebsd@top-consulting.net wrote: >> Right now I defined an entire array of 8TB ( all 16 disks ) >> separated in two pieces. 50 GB for FreeBSD to boot and the rest >> available to configure as storage. > > ZFS will want to write to it's ZIL (zfs intent log) before writing > to the final location of the data. Even if you're not waiting for > the ZIL-write to disk (because of the controller ram), those writes > will probably make it through to disk. That gives you twice as many > writes to disk, and a lot more seek. > > If you want to take zfs for a proper spin, I'd like to sugget adding > two small SSDs to the setup, mirrored by zfs. You can use those both > for the ZIL, and also as cache, for the array. That's a fairly small > investment these days, and I would be surprised if it didn't > significantly improve performance, both for your benchmark, and real > load. > > Note: you might be in trouble if you loose your ZIL, thus the > doubling up. I *think* you can SSD a cache without risking dataloss, > but don't take my word for it. > > Terje Well, I tried disabling the ZIL on a new dataset. These are the commands that I ran: zpool create data da1 zfs create data/maildomains zfs set sync=disabled data/maildomains dd bs=1024 if=/dev/zero of=/data/maildomains/t1 count=1M 1048576+0 records in 1048576+0 records out 1073741824 bytes transferred in 14.537711 secs (73859071 bytes/sec) Got a measly 74MB/sec. On the UFS partition however... dd bs=1024 if=/dev/zero of=/usr/t1 count=1M 1048576+0 records in 1048576+0 records out 1073741824 bytes transferred in 5.828395 secs (184225983 bytes/sec) 184MB/sec! And this is synchronous writing, not random! So what is ZFS good for finally ? Synchronous writing or small random iops ? By the way, this is how the array is configured with 3ware: Unit UnitType Status %RCmpl %V/I/M Stripe Size(GB) Cache AVrfy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ u0 RAID-10 OK - - 64K 7450.5 ON ON VPort Status Unit Size Type Phy Encl-Slot Model ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ p0 OK u0 931.51 GB SATA 0 - WDC WD1002FBYS-01A6 p1 OK u0 931.51 GB SATA 1 - WDC WD1002FBYS-01A6 p2 OK u0 931.51 GB SATA 2 - WDC WD1002FBYS-01A6 p3 OK u0 931.51 GB SATA 3 - WDC WD1002FBYS-01A6 p4 OK u0 931.51 GB SATA 4 - WDC WD1002FBYS-01A6 p5 OK u0 931.51 GB SATA 5 - WDC WD1002FBYS-01A6 p6 OK u0 931.51 GB SATA 6 - WDC WD1002FBYS-01A6 p7 OK u0 931.51 GB SATA 7 - WDC WD1002FBYS-01A6 p8 OK u0 931.51 GB SATA 8 - WDC WD1002FBYS-01A6 p9 OK u0 931.51 GB SATA 9 - WDC WD1002FBYS-01A6 p10 OK u0 931.51 GB SATA 10 - WDC WD1002FBYS-01A6 p11 OK u0 931.51 GB SATA 11 - WDC WD1002FBYS-01A6 p12 OK u0 931.51 GB SATA 12 - WDC WD1002FBYS-01A6 p13 OK u0 931.51 GB SATA 13 - WDC WD1002FBYS-01A6 p14 OK u0 931.51 GB SATA 14 - WDC WD1002FBYS-01A6 p15 OK u0 931.51 GB SATA 15 - WDC WD1002FBYS-01A6 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 14:27:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61365106564A for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:27:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from svein-listmail@stillbilde.net) Received: from mail.stillbilde.net (d80.iso100.no [81.175.61.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26748FC18 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:27:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.12.4] (unknown [192.168.12.4]) (Authenticated sender: svein-listmail) by mail.stillbilde.net (Familien Skogens mail) with ESMTPSA id 603DF39834 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:08:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E735861.3040302@stillbilde.net> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:08:33 +0200 From: "Svein Skogen (Listmail account)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110916063153.200375qdq59crf8c@mail.top-consulting.net> <32990703-D068-4B0D-AF3A-C1E6EA0A4100@elde.net> <20110916095745.872947fg6vym1vy8@mail.top-consulting.net> In-Reply-To: <20110916095745.872947fg6vym1vy8@mail.top-consulting.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig8D7E4D6D14FED212CD19F39A" Subject: Re: FS of choice for max random iops ( Maildir ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:27:23 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig8D7E4D6D14FED212CD19F39A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 16.09.2011 15:57, freebsd@top-consulting.net wrote: > Quoting Terje Elde : >=20 >> On 16. sep. 2011, at 12:31, freebsd@top-consulting.net wrote: >>> Right now I defined an entire array of 8TB ( all 16 disks ) separated= >>> in two pieces. 50 GB for FreeBSD to boot and the rest available to >>> configure as storage. >> >> ZFS will want to write to it's ZIL (zfs intent log) before writing to >> the final location of the data. Even if you're not waiting for the >> ZIL-write to disk (because of the controller ram), those writes will >> probably make it through to disk. That gives you twice as many writes >> to disk, and a lot more seek. >> >> If you want to take zfs for a proper spin, I'd like to sugget adding >> two small SSDs to the setup, mirrored by zfs. You can use those both >> for the ZIL, and also as cache, for the array. That's a fairly small >> investment these days, and I would be surprised if it didn't >> significantly improve performance, both for your benchmark, and real >> load. >> >> Note: you might be in trouble if you loose your ZIL, thus the doubling= >> up. I *think* you can SSD a cache without risking dataloss, but don't >> take my word for it. >> >> Terje >=20 > I know it's usually a big no-no but since I have the battery backed-up > write cache from the raid card, can't I just disable the ZIL entirely ?= No. However, you could allow the ZIL to be written to a logical disk with the battery-backed cache. //Svein --=20 --------+-------------------+------------------------------- /"\ |Svein Skogen | svein@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg =D8stli 9 | PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X |2020 Skedsmokorset | svein@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | svein@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listmail@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +-------------------+------------------------------- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |svein@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle: SS16503-RIPE --------+-------------------+------------------------------- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ------------------------------------------------------------ Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------enig8D7E4D6D14FED212CD19F39A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5zWGYACgkQODUnwSLUlKTIXACgjJK/NgvHpk1V3JrVw8wY16ZP Q3IAoI2NhULyqnIsyp28QJ8wUjzA9EEI =UzHD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig8D7E4D6D14FED212CD19F39A-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 16:04:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FCF106566C for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:04:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beech@freebsd.org) Received: from bsdevel2.freebsdnorth.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:7:d77::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35EC68FC29 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:04:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from maximum3.maximumdata.biz (akbeech-2-pt.tunnel.tserv14.sea1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:a:2e9::2]) by bsdevel2.freebsdnorth.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD83C3B0D for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:00:42 +0000 (UTC) From: Beech Rintoul Organization: FreeBSD To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 08:04:32 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.0-BETA2; KDE/4.6.5; i386; ; ) References: <4E5EF2B0002E5440@> <4E72723B.4020309@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4E72723B.4020309@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201109160804.32659.beech@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Please secure your FTP access X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:04:35 -0000 On Thursday 15 September 2011 13:46:35 Allen wrote: > Sorry for top posting but can anyone send this to "Computer Stupidities" > ? It seems to good to waste like this. Anyone who thinks they're a > Hacker yet doesn't know how FTP works is not only funny, it's > entertainment. And also, the web site I'm speaking of, has a similar > story sent in from another reader, where they talked about back when > they were in a Web Development class once, the teacher partnered > everyone up with someone else, and so, since he had already made his own > web site, he figured he'd show it to his new partner, and said "This is > my web site here" and the guy, like a moron, highlighted ALL of the text > with a Mouse, and threatened to hit the "Delete" button on the Keyboard... > > This reminds me of that quite a bit lol. > > On 9/14/2011 5:57 AM, Eduardo Morras wrote: > > At 21:43 13/09/2011, Sarang......... wrote: > >> H! there, > >> > >> I have seen your site and also got ftp access.. > >> > >> Please secure your ftp acces otherwise anyone can delete your data.... > >> > >> Why anyone? even I am also interested in it.. please move your ass > >> otherwise it will cost you. > >> > >> If you are not going to fix this problem then I will delete all the > >> files tommorrow... > >> > >> Take care.. > > > > You log in as anonymous user but the user whom owns the ftp is another > > one (perhaps ftp). The permises you get are r-x (thh last ones) not rwx. > > > > HTH > > > >> Ethical but Bad Hacker... All your files are now belong to us :-P -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Beech Rintoul - FreeBSD Developer - beech@FreeBSD.org /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | FreeBSD Since 4.x \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | http://people.freebsd.org/~beech X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Skype: akbeech / \ - http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/8.2R/announce.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 17:38:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6F9106566B for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:38:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96CC48FC08 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:38:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwe3 with SMTP id 3so5128805wwe.31 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:38:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CnfnO/ROyU89qfspYJ4RONXUc5EONjnsvyOevBFvmR4=; b=jk3RrkjiGcp7SJG3A4/mvETlnNGbWD+8wBDXgfjqySYeZS1wAQVQs3oIlY2UyhgWhe cNicgP40mLifNJ8t5ETeVOOR8ztIuUcIPiZ9ra0g/+q+1lsiAgLQ0u6yyw8TlbbCT6Gw wqve2PVj43UnBRczFWiK9TAsnlLCOKK5JsR8Q= Received: by 10.227.38.224 with SMTP id c32mr1328848wbe.112.1316194734467; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Melon.malikania.fr (197.21.102.84.rev.sfr.net. [84.102.21.197]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p8sm10234820wbo.20.2011.09.16.10.38.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E73896D.6010504@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 19:37:49 +0200 From: David Demelier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110909 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4E5EF2B0002E5440@> (added by postmaster@resmaa13.ono.com) <4E72723B.4020309@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4E72723B.4020309@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please secure your FTP access X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:38:56 -0000 On 15/09/2011 23:46, Allen wrote: > Sorry for top posting I have never understood why people apologise when they top post. Is your client mail so bad that you can't move your cursor selector under the last message? For me, I have tested a lot of client mails and I was always able to write text under the last message. And even microsoft outlook. :) > but can anyone send this to "Computer Stupidities" > ? It seems to good to waste like this. Anyone who thinks they're a > Hacker yet doesn't know how FTP works is not only funny, it's > entertainment. And also, the web site I'm speaking of, has a similar > story sent in from another reader, where they talked about back when > they were in a Web Development class once, the teacher partnered > everyone up with someone else, and so, since he had already made his own > web site, he figured he'd show it to his new partner, and said "This is > my web site here" and the guy, like a moron, highlighted ALL of the text > with a Mouse, and threatened to hit the "Delete" button on the Keyboard... > > This reminds me of that quite a bit lol. > > On 9/14/2011 5:57 AM, Eduardo Morras wrote: >> At 21:43 13/09/2011, Sarang......... wrote: >>> H! there, >>> >>> I have seen your site and also got ftp access.. >>> >>> Please secure your ftp acces otherwise anyone can delete your data.... >>> >>> Why anyone? even I am also interested in it.. please move your ass >>> otherwise it will cost you. >>> >>> If you are not going to fix this problem then I will delete all the >>> files tommorrow... >>> >>> Take care.. >> >> You log in as anonymous user but the user whom owns the ftp is another >> one (perhaps ftp). The permises you get are r-x (thh last ones) not rwx. >> >> HTH >> >>> Ethical but Bad Hacker... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- David Demelier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 18:03:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B760106566B for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:03:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DA48FC0C for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:03:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SBHFISLREXT03 ([10.132.254.62]) by SCSFISLTC02 (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p8GI3h5A018641; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:03:43 -0500 Received: from SBHFISLTCGW04.FNFIS.COM (Not Verified[10.132.248.123]) by SBHFISLREXT03 with MailMarshal (v6, 5, 4, 7535) id ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:04:05 -0500 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.15]) by SBHFISLTCGW04.FNFIS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:03:42 -0500 Received: from dtwin (10.14.152.43) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:03:42 -0500 From: Devin Teske To: "'David Demelier'" , References: <4E5EF2B0002E5440@> (added by postmaster@resmaa13.ono.com) <4E72723B.4020309@comcast.net> <4E73896D.6010504@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E73896D.6010504@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:03:40 -0700 Message-ID: <021901cc749a$f8594f90$e90beeb0$@fisglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-index: AQJlXRQKqiqUmUa2f67O7f537UqFwwLHJYwSAt/5WnwBloZcPJPkjN4g X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.43] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2011 18:03:42.0901 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8738E50:01CC749A] Cc: Subject: RE: Please secure your FTP access X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:03:44 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of David Demelier > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:38 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Please secure your FTP access > > On 15/09/2011 23:46, Allen wrote: > > Sorry for top posting > > I have never understood why people apologise when they top post. Is your client > mail so bad that you can't move your cursor selector under the last message? Preamble: Not making excuses for others' actions, but airing grievances because I'd really like Microsoft to fix this one. Observation: Microsoft Outlook 2010 has a nasty nasty bug (or at least, I consider it to be a bug). If the e-mail that you are responding to is in HTML format and your reply is also in HTML format, then you cannot insert text in the middle of the reply-text. The expectation that you can insert text in the middle of the reply-text at a different indentation-level fails miserably. As a work-around you can change the reply-mail to be in either Rich Text or Plain Text format, but that removes the indentation-level of the reply-text (yuck). It's rather frustrating and whenever I am faced with top-posting because of Outlook's iniquities or using another mail client ... I simply use another mail client (period). Just sharing... Devin > > For me, I have tested a lot of client mails and I was always able to write text > under the last message. And even microsoft outlook. > > :) > > > but can anyone send this to "Computer Stupidities" > > ? It seems to good to waste like this. Anyone who thinks they're a > > Hacker yet doesn't know how FTP works is not only funny, it's > > entertainment. And also, the web site I'm speaking of, has a similar > > story sent in from another reader, where they talked about back when > > they were in a Web Development class once, the teacher partnered > > everyone up with someone else, and so, since he had already made his > > own web site, he figured he'd show it to his new partner, and said > > "This is my web site here" and the guy, like a moron, highlighted ALL > > of the text with a Mouse, and threatened to hit the "Delete" button on the > Keyboard... > > > > This reminds me of that quite a bit lol. > > > > On 9/14/2011 5:57 AM, Eduardo Morras wrote: > >> At 21:43 13/09/2011, Sarang......... wrote: > >>> H! there, > >>> > >>> I have seen your site and also got ftp access.. > >>> > >>> Please secure your ftp acces otherwise anyone can delete your data.... > >>> > >>> Why anyone? even I am also interested in it.. please move your ass > >>> otherwise it will cost you. > >>> > >>> If you are not going to fix this problem then I will delete all the > >>> files tommorrow... > >>> > >>> Take care.. > >> > >> You log in as anonymous user but the user whom owns the ftp is > >> another one (perhaps ftp). The permises you get are r-x (thh last ones) not > rwx. > >> > >> HTH > >> > >>> Ethical but Bad Hacker... > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > -- > David Demelier > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. 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Thank you. _____________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 18:07:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43865106564A for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:07:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from wave.radel.com (wave.radel.com [216.143.151.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7D18FC0C for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:07:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1.6) with PIPE id 10348139; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:07:49 -0400 Received: from [192.168.43.221] (account jon@radel.com HELO braeburn.local) by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 10348137 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:07:43 -0400 Message-ID: <4E73906E.7080509@radel.com> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:07:42 -0400 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.21) Gecko/20110830 Thunderbird/3.1.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4E5EF2B0002E5440@> (added by postmaster@resmaa13.ono.com) <4E72723B.4020309@comcast.net> <4E73896D.6010504@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E73896D.6010504@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms090307090602070206080104" X-Radel.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Jon for more information X-Radel.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Please secure your FTP access X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:07:50 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090307090602070206080104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 9/16/11 1:37 PM, David Demelier wrote: > > > For me, I have tested a lot of client mails and I was always able to > write text under the last message. And even microsoft outlook. Though your current client does appear to keep you from trimming. --=20 --Jon Radel jon@radel.com --------------ms090307090602070206080104-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 18:14:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125E9106564A for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:14:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5048FC13 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:14:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.magehandbook.com (rackstore.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.100]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9533A4D for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 152.121.16.252 (SquirrelMail authenticated user daniel) by www.magehandbook.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:14:42 -0400 Message-ID: <24afc9ce63a9c1a59ac5dd457f7ce55a.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <021901cc749a$f8594f90$e90beeb0$@fisglobal.com> References: <4E5EF2B0002E5440@> <4E72723B.4020309@comcast.net> <4E73896D.6010504@gmail.com> <021901cc749a$f8594f90$e90beeb0$@fisglobal.com> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:14:42 -0400 From: "Daniel Staal" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Please secure your FTP access X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:14:44 -0000 On Fri, September 16, 2011 2:03 pm, Devin Teske wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- >> questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of David Demelier >> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:38 AM >> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: Please secure your FTP access >> >> On 15/09/2011 23:46, Allen wrote: >> > Sorry for top posting >> >> I have never understood why people apologise when they top post. Is your > client >> mail so bad that you can't move your cursor selector under the last >> message? > > Preamble: Not making excuses for others' actions, but airing grievances > because > I'd really like Microsoft to fix this one. > > Observation: > Microsoft Outlook 2010 has a nasty nasty bug (or at least, I consider it > to be a > bug). If the e-mail that you are responding to is in HTML format and your > reply > is also in HTML format, then you cannot insert text in the middle of the > reply-text. The expectation that you can insert text in the middle of the > reply-text at a different indentation-level fails miserably. As a > work-around > you can change the reply-mail to be in either Rich Text or Plain Text > format, > but that removes the indentation-level of the reply-text (yuck). It's > rather > frustrating and whenever I am faced with top-posting because of Outlook's > iniquities or using another mail client ... I simply use another mail > client > (period). > > Just sharing... > Devin Also many smartphone and tablet mailers automatically top-post, and make it significantly harder to move the cursor around inside the text with any accuracy. Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. 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[76.182.105.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ch14sm8091014vdb.9.2011.09.16.12.02.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 16 Sep 2011 12:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3S0mFF3F24z2CG4h for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:02:08 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110916150208.784c0545@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <021901cc749a$f8594f90$e90beeb0$@fisglobal.com> References: <4E5EF2B0002E5440@> <4E72723B.4020309@comcast.net> <4E73896D.6010504@gmail.com> <021901cc749a$f8594f90$e90beeb0$@fisglobal.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Please secure your FTP access X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 19:02:13 -0000 On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:03:40 -0700 Devin Teske articulated: Between Top/Bottom and in-line posting, this thread is getting harder to read by the minute. I am not at my Windows machine at the moment; however, I know from past experience that I CAN enter text, plain or HTML, after the last entry in a message. It always did work in-line; however since I don't use Outlook for replying to forum mail I cannot swear that it doesn't cause a problem with in-line posting. That then brings up the next question, why is the OP or any of the subsequent posters using HTML to begin with? It certainly does not belong in forum posts. Furthermore, Outlook will send in plain ASCII text if configured to do so. It can also be configured to reply after the text rather than before if configured to do so. Most users don't bother to configure it correctly and then blame the product for their own inadequacies. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 20:52:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3BB106566C for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 20:52:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gautham@lisphacker.org) Received: from mail-vw0-f45.google.com (mail-vw0-f45.google.com [209.85.212.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C668FC14 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 20:52:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws17 with SMTP id 17so9518522vws.18 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:52:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.29.51 with SMTP id g19mr105643vdh.381.1316204566035; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Sender: gautham@lisphacker.org Received: by 10.52.181.65 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:22:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E72723B.4020309@comcast.net> References: <4E72723B.4020309@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 21:22:45 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: qmJl9Qv7IXiV-5u-hFurGrLjiTA Message-ID: From: Gautham Ganapathy To: Allen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please secure your FTP access X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 20:52:15 -0000 On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Allen wrote: > Sorry for top posting but can anyone send this to "Computer Stupidities" > ? It seems to good to waste like this. =A0Anyone who thinks they're a > Hacker yet doesn't know how FTP works is not only funny, it's > entertainment. And also, the web site I'm speaking of, has a similar > story sent in from another reader, where they talked about back when > they were in a Web Development class once, the teacher partnered > everyone up with someone else, and so, since he had already made his own > web site, he figured he'd show it to his new partner, and said "This is > my web site here" and the guy, like a moron, highlighted ALL of the text > with a Mouse, and threatened to hit the "Delete" button on the Keyboard..= . > > This reminds me of that quite a bit lol. > > On 9/14/2011 5:57 AM, Eduardo Morras wrote: >> At 21:43 13/09/2011, Sarang......... wrote: >>> H! there, >>> >>> I have seen your site and also got ftp access.. >>> >>> Please secure your ftp acces otherwise anyone can delete your data.... >>> >>> Why anyone? even I am also interested in it.. please move your ass >>> otherwise it will cost you. >>> >>> If you are not going to fix this problem then I will delete all the >>> files tommorrow... >>> >>> Take care.. >> >> You log in as anonymous user but the user whom owns the ftp is another >> one (perhaps ftp). The permises you get are r-x (thh last ones) not rwx. >> >> HTH >> >>> Ethical but Bad Hacker... He may have actually used his real name too :) - https://www.facebook.com/sarang.chepe From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 21:22:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CACAF106566C for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 21:22:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from terje@elde.net) Received: from keepquiet.net (keepquiet.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:130:84c1::deaf:babe]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0488FC0C for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 21:22:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.0.30] (13.80-203-88.nextgentel.com [80.203.88.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: terje@elde.net) by keepquiet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A7FDC2E1C8; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 23:22:43 +0200 (CEST) References: <20110916063153.200375qdq59crf8c@mail.top-consulting.net> <32990703-D068-4B0D-AF3A-C1E6EA0A4100@elde.net> <20110916101833.17485ybnq5srjbc4@mail.top-consulting.net> In-Reply-To: <20110916101833.17485ybnq5srjbc4@mail.top-consulting.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8C148) From: Terje Elde Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 23:22:30 +0200 To: "freebsd@top-consulting.net" Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: FS of choice for max random iops ( Maildir ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 21:22:48 -0000 On 16. sep. 2011, at 16:18, freebsd@top-consulting.net wrote: > Got a measly 74MB/sec. You can't ask for advice, get it, do something completely different, and the= n complain that it didn't work.=20 Neither can you ask people to donate their time, if you won't spend yours.=20= In other words: if you won't listen, there's no point in us talking.=20 However: Don't disable ZIL. Just don't. It's not the way to go. If you want to know w= hy, google will help.=20 Also, you're making some assumptions, such as the ZIL being bad for performa= nce. That's not always the case. ZIL-writes are a rather nice load for spinn= ing metal storage. Even if you write through cache, that can give you a boos= t on your real world workload.=20 Which brings us to the third bit. You're benchmarking, not trying real world= loads. That's the load you'll have to worry about, and it's the load zfs sh= ines at.=20 Thanks to the ZIL (the thing you're trying to kill, remember?) you can conve= rt seek heavy writes to sequential zil-writes, freeing up disk bandwith for c= oncurrent reads.=20 If you want to test before spending money, try what Svein said. Set up a sma= ll logical volume (preferrably smaller than your controller cache, if it's l= arge enough), then try that as a dedicated zil-device.=20 Never tried that, but worth a shot.=20 Terje= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 21:39:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B564B106566B for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 21:39:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@top-consulting.net) Received: from smtp.emailarray.com (mail.emailarray.com [69.28.212.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE6E8FC17 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 21:39:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 70673 invoked by uid 89); 16 Sep 2011 21:39:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (freebsd@top-consulting.net@192.168.1.6) (POLARISLOCAL) by smtp.emailarray.com with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 16 Sep 2011 21:39:57 -0000 Received: from modemcable238.94-200-24.mc.videotron.ca (modemcable238.94-200-24.mc.videotron.ca [24.200.94.238]) by mail.top-consulting.net (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:39:56 -0400 Message-ID: <20110916173956.18133qtvqi91m3wg@mail.top-consulting.net> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:39:56 -0400 From: freebsd@top-consulting.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110916063153.200375qdq59crf8c@mail.top-consulting.net> <32990703-D068-4B0D-AF3A-C1E6EA0A4100@elde.net> <20110916101833.17485ybnq5srjbc4@mail.top-consulting.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.7) X-Originating-IP: 24.200.94.238 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Sep 16 17:39:58 2011 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.8436 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 540 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 1,4e73c22e11842591782742 X-DSPAM-Factors: 27, wrote+>, 0.00745, ignoring+the, 0.99000, help+>, 0.01000, NFS, 0.01000, NFS, 0.01000, net>+>, 0.01000, the+load, 0.01000, the+load, 0.01000, net+wrote, 0.01000, a+grain, 0.01000, no+point, 0.01000, complain+that, 0.01000, Yes+they, 0.01000, My+point, 0.01000, 1+since, 0.01000, missing+something, 0.01000, in+slower, 0.01000, I've+also, 0.01000, As+per, 0.01900, That's+not, 0.02548, >+On, 0.02929, >+>>, 0.04438, but+according, 0.04537, case+I, 0.04968, of+messages, 0.05116, bad+for, 0.05490, good+fit, 0.05490 X-PolarisMail-Flags: x Subject: Re: FS of choice for max random iops ( Maildir ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 21:39:59 -0000 Quoting Terje Elde : > On 16. sep. 2011, at 16:18, freebsd@top-consulting.net wrote: > >> Got a measly 74MB/sec. > > You can't ask for advice, get it, do something completely different, > and then complain that it didn't work. > > Neither can you ask people to donate their time, if you won't spend yours. > > In other words: if you won't listen, there's no point in us talking. > > However: > > Don't disable ZIL. Just don't. It's not the way to go. If you want > to know why, google will help. > > Also, you're making some assumptions, such as the ZIL being bad for > performance. That's not always the case. ZIL-writes are a rather > nice load for spinning metal storage. Even if you write through > cache, that can give you a boost on your real world workload. > > Which brings us to the third bit. You're benchmarking, not trying > real world loads. That's the load you'll have to worry about, and > it's the load zfs shines at. > > Thanks to the ZIL (the thing you're trying to kill, remember?) you > can convert seek heavy writes to sequential zil-writes, freeing up > disk bandwith for concurrent reads. > > If you want to test before spending money, try what Svein said. Set > up a small logical volume (preferrably smaller than your controller > cache, if it's large enough), then try that as a dedicated zil-device. > > Never tried that, but worth a shot. > > Terje It's not about spending money or not. I really want to use ZFS for some of its features ( journaled, snapshots, etc ) but it has to be a good fit for me. I'm not ignoring the advice I am given, just taking it with a grain of salt disabling the ZIL is recommended - sometimes - for NFS. As per hundreds of messages I've read from the Archive along with this page, http://wiki.freebsd.org/ZFSTuningGuide, it does appear that disabling the ZIL is a solution for NFS. Yes, they still recommend SSD drives and I fully understand that. My point was the following: Why is a sequential write test like dd slower on ZFS than on UFS ? The writes is already serialized so enabling/disabling the ZIL should have very little impact - which is indeed the case. I even went as far as disabling the cache flush option of ZFS through this variable: vfs.zfs.cache_flush_disable: 1, since I already have the write cache of the controller. I've also set some other variables as per the Tuning guide but according to several benchmarks ( iozone, bonnie++, dd ) ZFS still comes in slower than UFS at pretty much everything. Either I am missing something or there is something wrong with my setup. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 21:47:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4555D106564A for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 21:47:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from terje@elde.net) Received: from keepquiet.net (keepquiet.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:130:84c1::deaf:babe]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05DE48FC14 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 21:47:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.0.30] (13.80-203-88.nextgentel.com [80.203.88.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: terje@elde.net) by keepquiet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 28D072E1C8; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 23:47:11 +0200 (CEST) References: <20110916063153.200375qdq59crf8c@mail.top-consulting.net> <32990703-D068-4B0D-AF3A-C1E6EA0A4100@elde.net> <20110916101833.17485ybnq5srjbc4@mail.top-consulting.net> In-Reply-To: <20110916101833.17485ybnq5srjbc4@mail.top-consulting.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <685DC833-382F-4AD6-B2F9-307645E7FB39@elde.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8C148) From: Terje Elde Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 23:47:00 +0200 To: "freebsd@top-consulting.net" Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: FS of choice for max random iops ( Maildir ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 21:47:15 -0000 On 16. sep. 2011, at 16:18, freebsd@top-consulting.net wrote: > zpool create data da1 > zfs create data/maildomains > zfs set sync=3Ddisabled data/maildomains Just for the archives... sync=3Ddisabled won't disable disable the zil, it'l= l disable waiting for a disk-flush on fsync etc. With a battery backed contr= oller cache, those flushes should go to cache, and be pretty mich free. You e= nd up tossing away something for nothing.=20 You're getting about half the performance on a sequential write to the zfs, a= s you get with raw ufs. That makes perfect sense, doesn't it? Ufs writes raw, zfs writes to zil, then final restingplace forthe data. Acco= unt for the seeks between, and you're seeing what you should.=20 Move the zil if you don't want both those sets of writes on the same array, o= r do what Svein said, and get funk^w logical.=20 (a tad simplified, but I think the logic will hold. (yes, pun intended)) Terje= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 22:05:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D96E2106566B for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:05:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unix.hacker@comcast.net) Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877E78FC1F for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:05:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ZMcc1h0051ei1Bg51a5em5; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:05:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([68.43.224.227]) by omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Za5d1h0044uzdYs3ka5egW; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:05:38 +0000 Message-ID: <4E73C832.50505@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:05:38 -0400 From: Allen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4E5EF2B0002E5440@> (added by postmaster@resmaa13.ono.com) <4E72723B.4020309@comcast.net> <4E73896D.6010504@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E73896D.6010504@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please secure your FTP access X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:05:38 -0000 On 9/16/2011 1:37 PM, David Demelier wrote: > On 15/09/2011 23:46, Allen wrote: >> Sorry for top posting > > I have never understood why people apologise when they top post. Is your > client mail so bad that you can't move your cursor selector under the > last message? I top posted on purpose. Of course my mail client allows me to post normally. The REASON I top posted, was to say something that was not part of the reply I quoted. See, I wanted to say something first, and THEN I wanted to reply to a few things. So, I top posted the part that wasn't related to what was said, and I then posted the rest normally. Clear it up yet? > For me, I have tested a lot of client mails and I was always able to > write text under the last message. And even microsoft outlook. My message was sent with Thunderbird. I don't normally use that because it's a resource hog and a half, but since my ISP decided to be stupid and no longer allow direct access, instantly making Mutt and Fetchmail impossible to use anymore, I have to use something else. I miss Mutt and Fetchmail, but my ISP is acting stupid. So now, I use Thunderbird sometimes, Opera's Mail client a lot more, and Kamil, and others, whenever. Sylpheed and the other one related to it get some use from me, along with Opera and Kmail, as my main clients now. Still miss Mutt though. I trimmed the rest of this message since that's something another person brought up about your client ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 22:27:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990461065673 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:27:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy4-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy4.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 56E808FC0C for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:27:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 32089 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2011 22:27:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2011 22:27:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=8x99bP07tVRLwQXpoKhQ0ybYpfrYrT/Q1p5la39vX8Q=; b=dpYap+xI0NBvUzVL83E3sJEwO9HY7kE7XLXcw2OZvDXgAQDWONz0TtjYIeXue4PRTQKAct3JnWGFcHSt4R0e7QjoRbxeikBplQP3r3XudJddg0DeZzgAHQPwRSHDamvm; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1R4gsS-0005yw-Qc for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:27:21 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:27:16 -0600 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:27:16 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110916222716.GA52839@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4E5EF2B0002E5440@> <4E72723B.4020309@comcast.net> <4E73896D.6010504@gmail.com> <021901cc749a$f8594f90$e90beeb0$@fisglobal.com> <24afc9ce63a9c1a59ac5dd457f7ce55a.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/04w6evG8XlLl3ft" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <24afc9ce63a9c1a59ac5dd457f7ce55a.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Please secure your FTP access X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:27:22 -0000 --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:14:42PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote: >=20 > Also many smartphone and tablet mailers automatically top-post, and make > it significantly harder to move the cursor around inside the text with any > accuracy. This is why I don't deal with email on my Android smartphone. The mail client is a bucket of ass. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk5zzUQACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUe2ACgsRNEa1X0jT5xz9zMA2XzuNgl CCgAmwa22CKi7Q1mKX16fTi7vZgj+kmk =/w5A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 16 23:55:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A95106564A for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 23:55:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from editor@d3photography.com) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134D18FC0C for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 23:55:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0ED326D9BFC; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:57:04 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id blLBngBlVJGO; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:56:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.0.51] (184-100-90-26.mpls.qwest.net [184.100.90.26]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E95F026D9BFB; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:56:51 -0500 (CDT) References: <4E5EF2B0002E5440@> <4E72723B.4020309@comcast.net> <4E73896D.6010504@gmail.com> <021901cc749a$f8594f90$e90beeb0$@fisglobal.com> <24afc9ce63a9c1a59ac5dd457f7ce55a.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <20110916222716.GA52839@guilt.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20110916222716.GA52839@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8E600) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8E600) From: Ryan Coleman Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:55:05 -0500 To: Chad Perrin Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Please secure your FTP access X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 23:55:25 -0000 On Sep 16, 2011, at 17:27, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:14:42PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote: >> >> Also many smartphone and tablet mailers automatically top-post, and make >> it significantly harder to move the cursor around inside the text with any >> accuracy. > > This is why I don't deal with email on my Android smartphone. The mail > client is a bucket of ass. +1. That's why I have an iPhone now. :-) -- Ryan Coleman From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 17 00:15:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D9F106564A for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 00:15:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B05CF8FC16 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 00:15:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 17342 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2011 00:15:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2011 00:15:16 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=cHqeapNVAHx0yD7m1eiPrhWbXIHQU8Cl1qBHBoeqLcc=; b=D3sjalMbL4Bn8g/IgdsaY4KsPlA4Vugv3Oclew/GrzGnMbfQM4HRZqrta5J3Tm2j3S3MOrYmn3WgD3yjYMAiBRBv4KBPKvd50irph+0haVFf/C8DHsh1NyohtRmmDD2W; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1R4iYt-0004M0-7X for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:15:16 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:15:11 -0600 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:15:11 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <20110917001510.GA53246@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <4E5EF2B0002E5440@> <4E72723B.4020309@comcast.net> <4E73896D.6010504@gmail.com> <021901cc749a$f8594f90$e90beeb0$@fisglobal.com> <24afc9ce63a9c1a59ac5dd457f7ce55a.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <20110916222716.GA52839@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Please secure your FTP access X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 00:15:17 -0000 --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 06:55:05PM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: > On Sep 16, 2011, at 17:27, Chad Perrin wrote: >=20 > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:14:42PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote: > >>=20 > >> Also many smartphone and tablet mailers automatically top-post, and ma= ke > >> it significantly harder to move the cursor around inside the text with= any > >> accuracy. > >=20 > > This is why I don't deal with email on my Android smartphone. The mail > > client is a bucket of ass. >=20 > +1. That's why I have an iPhone now. :-) Seriously . . . ? You have an iPhone because the mail client on an Android smartphone sucks. That's odd. I still prefer my iPhone, and have some hope that some day I'll be able to install some kind of BSD Unix system on an Android device. Unlike with the iPhone, I probably wouldn't get sued for doing so. Also, I get to have a keyboard with an Android device. Even before I can shoehorn BSD Unix onto it, at least it's possible to root some Android smartphones without getting sued. Et cetera. =2E . . but I'm pretty mystified at the idea of getting an iPhone just because of the mail client. Trying to deal with email on *any* smartphone client would be a pain in my fourth point of contact. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk5z5o4ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXh6QCfUj3Eenty+SYPSTZ9kg2DBhHm pIsAoJmJUoXULzqE/8vqeZJ566LUr4sh =5UNL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 17 07:16:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A2EE106564A for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:16:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF9C38FC16 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:16:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-14-151.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.14.151]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 841723CCFD; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:16:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p8H7GJZX001848; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:16:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:16:19 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Allen Message-Id: <20110917091619.aab5c79d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4E73C832.50505@comcast.net> References: <4E5EF2B0002E5440@> <4E72723B.4020309@comcast.net> <4E73896D.6010504@gmail.com> <4E73C832.50505@comcast.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please secure your FTP access X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:16:21 -0000 Even if this might get more off-topic now, allow me the following idea: On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:05:38 -0400, Allen wrote: > My message was sent with Thunderbird. I don't normally use that because > it's a resource hog and a half, but since my ISP decided to be stupid > and no longer allow direct access, instantly making Mutt and Fetchmail > impossible to use anymore, I have to use something else. I miss Mutt and > Fetchmail, but my ISP is acting stupid. So now, I use Thunderbird > sometimes, Opera's Mail client a lot more, and Kamil, and others, > whenever. Sylpheed and the other one related to it get some use from me, > along with Opera and Kmail, as my main clients now. Still miss Mutt though. According to what your ISP does wrong, and what your current solution is (IMAP -or- POP+SMTP), there's a nice suggestion if you want to handle your mail locally (use of program of choice, getting messages from server and storing them on _your_ machine): You've mentioned fetchmail which does regular POP3 mail incorporation and can also add many authentification features an ISP might require. If this does _not_ work anymore for you, does this mean your ISP blocks POP3, or your mail provider doesn't offer that _essential_ feature anymore? Depending on your local storing format (mbox, MH, MailDir), you can use _any_ client that understands that format (i. e. all clients use the _same_ local storage structure), so it's easy to switch clients depending on requirements. For _sending_ mail: If you run the system's sendmail mailer subsystem properly, you could directly send messages by locally enqueuing them. Many ISPs refuse to accept messages from dynamic IP, as they are considered spam. So if your ISP offers you to relay your mail through one of ITS servers (with a _static_ IP), you can easily configure a statement "define(`SMART_HOST', `mx.your-isp.foo')" in your mc file. In the end, you don't need to configure POP & SMTP in all your different programs, but only as ~/.fetchmailrc for fetchmail (for POP), and your sendmail as described above (for SMTP). Your applications get messages from local spool and send directly to local sendmail. This allows you flexibility in case you cannot use IMAP (or intendedly want to use a program that's not capable of using IMAP). The solution described may be sufficient if your system is the only (or at least primary) one you deal with mail on. PS. This message illustrates the proper use of top-posting. appending replies to quotes, and trimming. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 17 07:34:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E3A106566C for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:34:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C98E48FC16 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:34:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-14-151.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.14.151]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16303CC58; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:34:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p8H7YQZp001930; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:34:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:34:26 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Thomas Mueller In-Reply-To: <20110915100956.14B911065674@hub.freebsd.org> References: <4E70F1FA.1040407@gmail.com> <20110915100956.14B911065674@hub.freebsd.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 8.2 Partition Sizing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:34:28 -0000 On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 10:04:31 +0000 (GMT), Thomas Mueller I can't really see the rationale for putting / and /usr > on separate partitions. The idea is that even if /usr partition gets some problems (e. g. filesystem defects), / will be enough to bring the system up in SUM, and maybe do some backup or recovery in this (limited) state. > I like to put /home on a separate partition, and don't like > the idea of /usr/home. I agree with that. I've also created systems where /home was on a physically different disk, so being fully independent of the OS disk. > I also don't like to put /var and /tmp on separate partitions: > problems with size and fitting the disk space. But that can turn against you: Imagine some user is filling /tmp with big files until the disk is full. Now logs to /var cannot be written anymore. Even operations that go to / can't be successfully finished. On the other hand: If you "connect" /tmp to a file with a static size that is located on /, this problem would not occur. In cases where you can't predict how the usage of /tmp, /var or /usr will develop in the future, putting everything into one partition might be the best solution - expect, of course, using ZFS instead. :-) > Putting /home on a separate partition allows the whole system > to be upgraded, even newfs and reinstall, without touching > user data. Correct, and this can be very useful sometimes. The "second disk approach" even enables you to change partitioning type (fdisk / GPT) and scheme without dealing with the data on the /home disk. Using diffrent partitions allows you to accomodate to differences in UFS formatting options (e. g. inode size to reflect if it will store many small files or just some very big files), as well as mount options (e. g. noexec) which may be requirements for performance or security. But this depends on your specific setting. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 17 08:27:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B141065678 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 08:27:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7E58FC12 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 08:27:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywp17 with SMTP id 17so4191441ywp.13 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 01:27:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Jy4BpyFSGNqM3TZevNtkToXOSyRVhaLzzhheAujGF2o=; b=hsfGBNxAnA+hrlqqWOdc9g6m0hUj5e03ONxkjgu6UqZu+vV/Ua41gEmW3SxO682+hl R8/C/HPcsTZ/TSAMRk945vregRPHSircu8NmOuSUVSTiiFQr2Ti6oy00TkaNdKUcU7yT vkBmZ2uUf5zfSyYOtOsDCRyZqMWURwYPZZGjs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.185.195 with SMTP id u43mr1405932yhm.106.1316246642676; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 01:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.236.111.42 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 01:04:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E7453CB.1040908@freebsd.org> References: <4E71F647.2050007@a1poweruser.com> <4E7453CB.1040908@freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 16:04:02 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: JXHCto5XnAgzuqg_nV5F_AfSLbA Message-ID: From: Adrian Chadd To: Nathan Whitehorn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Fbsd8 , FreeBSD Questions , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 9.0 bata2 & keymap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 08:27:53 -0000 .. maybe name that button "skip" then? Adrian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 17 08:52:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB800106564A for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 08:52:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnixua@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A228FC16 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 08:52:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxg9 with SMTP id 9so3268386fxg.13 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 01:52:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nOGzlJAMPo1V2wFG6MEZpTZVptgHwiTDOQ1Z6Iq4yJA=; b=uAOu2ir3XzGlxmu63zqXq8dWOw0UXm0YjXdBgWcOEbs/xE3J8wjag2HMm2hagRfEiE /QhV/X0rSlbv7Xm/xooTLllckfl0M6ExhEhIEU3fr6/Wxlb3K0IyJxnsfrETR90Nn2E0 f7dF09NUeuA4nSn1prfj8phL1igzau//5gCHY= Received: by 10.223.46.89 with SMTP id i25mr772384faf.34.1316247781741; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 01:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gx.laptop.net (pptp-dm2010060102.domashka.kiev.ua. [94.45.36.125]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r3sm13513791fam.26.2011.09.17.01.23.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 17 Sep 2011 01:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E7458E0.9080208@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:22:56 +0300 From: Anton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110817 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: max entries for table of ipfw? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: gnixua@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 08:52:47 -0000 What's the limit of entries for table of ipfw? Thanks in advance. -- best regards, Anton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 17 09:01:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E70C7106564A for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:01:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nwhitehorn@freebsd.org) Received: from agogare.doit.wisc.edu (agogare.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8AB8FC13 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:01:19 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Received: from avs-daemon.smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu by smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.05 32bit (built Jul 30 2009)) id <0LRN00I00QA6WJ00@smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu>; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 03:01:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wanderer.tachypleus.net (AAnnecy-157-1-38-242.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.219.5.242]) by smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.05 32bit (built Jul 30 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0LRN00AUIQA4OR20@smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu>; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 03:01:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 10:01:15 +0200 From: Nathan Whitehorn In-reply-to: <4E71F647.2050007@a1poweruser.com> To: Fbsd8 Message-id: <4E7453CB.1040908@freebsd.org> X-Spam-Report: AuthenticatedSender=yes, SenderIP=86.219.5.242 X-Spam-PmxInfo: Server=avs-9, Version=5.6.1.2065439, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2011.9.17.74815, SenderIP=86.219.5.242 References: <4E71F647.2050007@a1poweruser.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:6.0.1) Gecko/20110905 Thunderbird/6.0.1 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:16:11 +0000 Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: 9.0 bata2 & keymap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:01:20 -0000 On 09/15/11 14:57, Fbsd8 wrote: > Out of the 9 USA maps only "us.iso.acc.kbd" worked somewhat. > The keyboard 9 key block above the arrow keys don't function. > Issuing the "man cmd_name" command doe's display the man page, > but the {Page up, Page down keys } don't work. > Also when using the "ee" edit command the {delete, Page up, Page down > keys } don't work. This does not happen in any of the previous releases. > > Further more, localization of the keyboard should not be forced on the > user during the install process. This BSDinstall option should be > disabled or removed. You can press "Cancel" there, which will cancel keymap selection and keep the default. The utility being invoked is just kbdmap(1), and any changes to it need to go there. -Nathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 17 09:07:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFBC2106566B for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:07:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nwhitehorn@freebsd.org) Received: from argol.doit.wisc.edu (argol.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B278FC0A for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:07:06 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Received: from avs-daemon.smtpauth3.wiscmail.wisc.edu by smtpauth3.wiscmail.wisc.edu (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.05 32bit (built Jul 30 2009)) id <0LRN00I00QJTQG00@smtpauth3.wiscmail.wisc.edu>; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 03:07:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wanderer.tachypleus.net (AAnnecy-157-1-38-242.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.219.5.242]) by smtpauth3.wiscmail.wisc.edu (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.05 32bit (built Jul 30 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0LRN00FT7QJQ0K10@smtpauth3.wiscmail.wisc.edu>; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 03:07:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 10:07:01 +0200 From: Nathan Whitehorn In-reply-to: To: Adrian Chadd Message-id: <4E745525.1010906@freebsd.org> X-Spam-Report: AuthenticatedSender=yes, SenderIP=86.219.5.242 X-Spam-PmxInfo: Server=avs-11, Version=5.6.1.2065439, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2011.9.17.75414, SenderIP=86.219.5.242 References: <4E71F647.2050007@a1poweruser.com> <4E7453CB.1040908@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:6.0.1) Gecko/20110905 Thunderbird/6.0.1 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:16:25 +0000 Cc: Fbsd8 , FreeBSD Questions , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 9.0 bata2 & keymap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:07:06 -0000 On 09/17/11 10:04, Adrian Chadd wrote: > .. maybe name that button "skip" then? > The button is provided by kbdmap, as is the entire screen. We could add an "installer" mode to kbdmap that names it skip instead of cancel, of course. I'm traveling for another 2 weeks and won't have time to do that, however. -Nathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 17 12:41:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7A91065670 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:41:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from c.kworr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35418FC17 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:41:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxg9 with SMTP id 9so3396479fxg.13 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 05:41:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=R3KXh4LEizru15S21eXwbAA67LSmfa4U9fy310lC6Yk=; b=XWcZFxPYDJDPtgKHYv1EJGcGbbc5U/GLrHeFfMvVw+LIpK4wDc2LjXIxwRxYVsC5fk JgYVTw6ELGqkbFNYZNMDdxIF8dRNiFW+XldJyOalt/fB2Oo0o1atqR/O4lctRuqqJ/UL +DjYnQrwX5E1lA9rrOd6QWd2hnY5SqqHpKah0= Received: by 10.223.75.24 with SMTP id w24mr1056574faj.132.1316262808758; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 05:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from limbo.lan ([195.225.157.86]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n12sm10937530fan.9.2011.09.17.05.33.26 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 17 Sep 2011 05:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E749394.1090607@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 15:33:24 +0300 From: Volodymyr Kostyrko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110907 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd@top-consulting.net References: <20110916063153.200375qdq59crf8c@mail.top-consulting.net> <32990703-D068-4B0D-AF3A-C1E6EA0A4100@elde.net> <20110916101833.17485ybnq5srjbc4@mail.top-consulting.net> <20110916173956.18133qtvqi91m3wg@mail.top-consulting.net> In-Reply-To: <20110916173956.18133qtvqi91m3wg@mail.top-consulting.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FS of choice for max random iops ( Maildir ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:41:07 -0000 17.09.2011 00:39, freebsd@top-consulting.net wrote: > I even went as far as disabling the cache flush option of ZFS through > this variable: vfs.zfs.cache_flush_disable: 1, since I already have the > write cache of the controller. I've also set some other variables as per > the Tuning guide but according to several benchmarks ( iozone, bonnie++, > dd ) ZFS still comes in slower than UFS at pretty much everything. Oh, so you are making setup for running iozone, bonnie++ and dd continuously? You really like to wait for hours before fsck will finish checking for your volume? Listen to the others, you need real world benchmark, not some stress-tests. -- Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 17 12:56:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93922106566B for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:56:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from c.kworr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7FE8FC14 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:56:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxg9 with SMTP id 9so3406231fxg.13 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 05:56:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xXvRJVbVqVd4ZF0z+Gf8WX8Emd9LdlTD9BS1BSC4OQE=; b=RlIKf6bzH2h1cOdZBhY7FcELSfMzvh/w49UqQ6cJDsnivUt+gUNjmZ+Df8af6yFQi1 jlCcEy4OWKIAy9aP0SSb0vsdpD166qfYve5dhlgldQcUQslr8zfqSci0itbQCh+87M3I xf5Qx19jr7K1M8Sn3IyR6KfesZs1tW1kcsBNc= Received: by 10.223.36.25 with SMTP id r25mr1070606fad.125.1316262284068; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 05:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from limbo.lan ([195.225.157.86]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t19sm14330910faj.23.2011.09.17.05.24.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 17 Sep 2011 05:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E749188.8050608@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 15:24:40 +0300 From: Volodymyr Kostyrko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110907 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terje Elde References: <20110916063153.200375qdq59crf8c@mail.top-consulting.net> <32990703-D068-4B0D-AF3A-C1E6EA0A4100@elde.net> In-Reply-To: <32990703-D068-4B0D-AF3A-C1E6EA0A4100@elde.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd@top-consulting.net" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: FS of choice for max random iops ( Maildir ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:56:18 -0000 16.09.2011 16:35, Terje Elde wrote: > Note: you might be in trouble if you loose your ZIL, thus the doubling up. I *think* you can SSD a cache without risking dataloss, but don't take my word for it. Let me summarize this. ZFS will work even without ZIL or cache. Losing ZIL will make you LOSE DATA. It would be last 0 to 30 seconds of work. Losing cache gives you nothing bad. I didn't tested but I think ZFS will panic when losing log device. -- Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 17 16:24:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DE0106566C; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 16:24:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D3E8FC0C; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 16:24:22 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; s=DKIM-NAME-SERVICES; d=a1poweruser.com; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:X-Sender:X-Envelope-From; l=500; bh=ZRc+xZyBbEcH0lG7bp0i10pSCim+4NjhkB9CWJvlq9Q=; b=J+bhPH5uybdPMvSmAlwJORnZJgVFRzAnEXpcRvBsR1ALJMuSiAlqPGD+3N0FRyqUbQXEyEu1bGLrqkRI2XUzRmMVZSFere6DERetWscFkrL/UIADzllng0Bg/VOMJCLgot2DobtWSscRZQWXvDre9nWxVmqfm+W7WYu9MU9YJZY= Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([76.240.47.196]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:24:22 -0700 Message-ID: <4E74C9B7.2090901@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:24:23 -0400 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nathan Whitehorn References: <4E71F647.2050007@a1poweruser.com> <4E7453CB.1040908@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <4E7453CB.1040908@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2011 16:24:22.0560 (UTC) FILETIME=[42397200:01CC7556] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Envelope-From: fbsd8*a1poweruser.com Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: 9.0 bata2 & keymap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 16:24:22 -0000 Nathan Whitehorn wrote: >>>> On 09/15/11 14:57, Fbsd8 wrote: >>>> Out of the 9 USA maps only "us.iso.acc.kbd" worked somewhat. >>>> The keyboard 9 key block above the arrow keys don't function. >>>> Issuing the "man cmd_name" command doe's display the man page, >>>> but the {Page up, Page down keys } don't work. >>>> Also when using the "ee" edit command the {delete, Page up, Page down >>>> keys } don't work. This does not happen in any of the previous releases. >>>> >>>> Further more, localization of the keyboard should not be forced on the >>>> user during the install process. This BSDinstall option should be >>>> disabled or removed. >>> >>> You can press "Cancel" there, which will cancel keymap selection and >>> keep the default. The utility being invoked is just kbdmap(1), and any >>> changes to it need to go there. >>> -Nathan >> >> >> .. maybe name that button "skip" then? >> > >The button is provided by kbdmap, as is the entire screen. We could add >an "installer" mode to kbdmap that names it skip instead of cancel, of >course. I'm traveling for another 2 weeks and won't have time to do >that, however. >-Nathan > Nathan Its good to be talking directly with the bsdinstall author. Changing the cancel button in the kbdmap command to skip, does not address the problem, which is the lack of knowledge of the standard bsdinstall user. I've been using Freebsd since 4.0 and never used the kbdmap command or for that matter even knew it existed. The real question is not "how to change the kbdmap command" but one of should bsdinstall even be presenting this option? Localization of Freebsd has all ways been a advanced configuration task in previous releases and maybe it should remain that way. Even in the comments of bsdinstall you call this option as optional. The easiest solution is just to comment out this code in bsdinstall. As you stated above "selecting the cancel button will keep the default". How is the bsdinstall user suppose to know this? Changing 'cancel" to "skip" still does not address the problem that users are NOT going to know that doing so will give them the old default. This is a good case for a help dialog screen. One way to keep the localization option is to add an informational bsdinstall dialog screen asking the user if they want to modify this install to use a keyboard that is language specific, (ie: Japanese keyboard, Russian keyboard, ect). Including a statement saying that selecting localization will launch the system kbdmap command, and then selecting the cancel button will result in the default used in previous releases to be used. This gives the user the information needed to base a intelligent decision on and keeps the kbdmap command unchanged. Another way would be to add an entry to the top of kbdmap command database labeled "(default) description" so its highlighted on the initial display and hitting enter will take this selection. Now I must point out that I tested hitting the cancel button in the kbdmap command. It worked in that no keymap= statement was inserted into /etc/rc.conf but it must also make some other changes some where else in the system because if you do select an entry from the kbdmap database and them remove the keymap= statement that was inserted into /etc/rc.conf and then reboot the system, it will hang on reboot. Another point of interest is when selecting "cancel for the default keyboard" still results in the block of 9 keys above the arrow keys to not function. Issuing the "man cmd_name" command does display the man page, but the {Page up, Page down keys } don't work. Also when using the "ee" edit command the {delete, Page up, Page down don't work. There may be more system utility commands with the same flaw. This may indicate that the default keyboard map in kbdmap command has changed, is not the same as in previous releases or some thing else in the 9.0 system has changed. In either case this needs research. Joe From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 17 20:43:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A178106564A; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:43:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35DBC8FC08; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:43:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iadk27 with SMTP id k27so5832702iad.13 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 13:43:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=zV0tWtQo9Pa0lpU4FMcZUDN1F87BiloBDRLMX3oKPfQ=; b=MUPeIRAuPa+6e5htZe3+LVGcUIkY5u1sO19+NdwcDe5fPOaJBN+jcuPAKSYQBRpAb7 VV4D26n6Y1rYioxFoW8cQWJRXm6P+orK3PIa0Mc8lLFZ+ib7L8DWyG2NNPPGKMSg1AT4 8eL5GokWwdVVXJ9WQN/npgvz421x6tVv/kD3I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.65.72 with SMTP id h8mr1316003ibi.47.1316292219413; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 13:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.35.194 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 13:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.35.194 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 13:43:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E74C9B7.2090901@a1poweruser.com> References: <4E71F647.2050007@a1poweruser.com> <4E7453CB.1040908@freebsd.org> <4E74C9B7.2090901@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:43:39 +0100 Message-ID: From: Chris Rees To: Fbsd8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Questions , Nathan Whitehorn Subject: Re: 9.0 bata2 & keymap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:43:40 -0000 On 17 Sep 2011 17:25, "Fbsd8" wrote: > > Nathan Whitehorn wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 09/15/11 14:57, Fbsd8 wrote: >>>>> Out of the 9 USA maps only "us.iso.acc.kbd" worked somewhat. >>>>> The keyboard 9 key block above the arrow keys don't function. >>>>> Issuing the "man cmd_name" command doe's display the man page, >>>>> but the {Page up, Page down keys } don't work. >>>>> Also when using the "ee" edit command the {delete, Page up, Page down >>>>> keys } don't work. This does not happen in any of the previous releases. >>>>> >>>>> Further more, localization of the keyboard should not be forced on the >>>>> user during the install process. This BSDinstall option should be >>>>> disabled or removed. >>>> >>>> >>>> You can press "Cancel" there, which will cancel keymap selection and keep the default. The utility being invoked is just kbdmap(1), and any changes to it need to go there. >>>> -Nathan >>> >>> >>> > >> .. maybe name that button "skip" then? > >> > > > >The button is provided by kbdmap, as is the entire screen. We could add >an "installer" mode to kbdmap that names it skip instead of cancel, of >course. I'm traveling for another 2 weeks and won't have time to do >that, however. > >-Nathan > > > > Nathan > > Its good to be talking directly with the bsdinstall author. > > Changing the cancel button in the kbdmap command to skip, does not address the problem, which is the lack of knowledge of the standard bsdinstall user. I've been using Freebsd since 4.0 and never used the kbdmap command or for that matter even knew it existed. > Wait, are you suggesting that everyone on Earth can "make do" with the "standard" keyboard layout until they learn rc.conf syntax? I would strongly object if localisation of the keyboard were not "forced on" the user; we don't all use pc105-us, and the ability to use the keyboard properly early on is kinda helpful. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 17 21:41:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45BD106564A; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:41:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5FBB8FC0A; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:41:57 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; s=DKIM-NAME-SERVICES; d=a1poweruser.com; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:X-Sender:X-Envelope-From; l=500; bh=MvxZxY9dKbF8AaFfQ1Sf3lf0ci2PlzubAS5ceEXK/5Q=; b=A0bdGNMO+6idB7IEzYhHMgqAbPQSW/WsuULq/aJVn+h/h/DLSfKXlNqTHVFQ5q5txykjqDRJ722rDRFoRgIwzwhSa+DKFWyCUQIjSGcjj4HRPaJkQxCrrY2MWZ1c0Y5UzasVUTdIaDQwQcIYwBpW868OH1pHKO7CMqzWtEitnw0= Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([76.240.47.196]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 17 Sep 2011 14:41:57 -0700 Message-ID: <4E751428.7040609@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 17:42:00 -0400 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Rees References: <4E71F647.2050007@a1poweruser.com> <4E7453CB.1040908@freebsd.org> <4E74C9B7.2090901@a1poweruser.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2011 21:41:57.0943 (UTC) FILETIME=[A01E2470:01CC7582] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Envelope-From: fbsd8*a1poweruser.com Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: 9.0 bata2 & keymap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:41:57 -0000 Chris Rees wrote: > On 17 Sep 2011 17:25, "Fbsd8" wrote: >> Nathan Whitehorn wrote: >>>>>> On 09/15/11 14:57, Fbsd8 wrote: >>>>>> Out of the 9 USA maps only "us.iso.acc.kbd" worked somewhat. >>>>>> The keyboard 9 key block above the arrow keys don't function. >>>>>> Issuing the "man cmd_name" command doe's display the man page, >>>>>> but the {Page up, Page down keys } don't work. >>>>>> Also when using the "ee" edit command the {delete, Page up, Page down >>>>>> keys } don't work. This does not happen in any of the previous > releases. >>>>>> Further more, localization of the keyboard should not be forced on the >>>>>> user during the install process. This BSDinstall option should be >>>>>> disabled or removed. >>>>> >>>>> You can press "Cancel" there, which will cancel keymap selection and > keep the default. The utility being invoked is just kbdmap(1), and any > changes to it need to go there. >>>>> -Nathan >>>> >>>> >>>> .. maybe name that button "skip" then? >>>> >>> The button is provided by kbdmap, as is the entire screen. We could add >> an "installer" mode to kbdmap that names it skip instead of cancel, of >> course. I'm traveling for another 2 weeks and won't have time to do >that, > however. >>> -Nathan >>> >> Nathan >> >> Its good to be talking directly with the bsdinstall author. >> >> Changing the cancel button in the kbdmap command to skip, does not address > the problem, which is the lack of knowledge of the standard bsdinstall user. > I've been using Freebsd since 4.0 and never used the kbdmap command or for > that matter even knew it existed. > > Wait, are you suggesting that everyone on Earth can "make do" with the > "standard" keyboard layout until they learn rc.conf syntax? > > I would strongly object if localisation of the keyboard were not "forced on" > the user; we don't all use pc105-us, and the ability to use the keyboard > properly early on is kinda helpful. > > Chris > > You would help yourself a great deal if you read the complete post before jumping in. The rest of the post (ie: the part you neglected to include in your post) clearly describes what I am suggesting.