From owner-freebsd-sysinstall@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 31 02:50:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sysinstall@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 644C5106566C for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 02:50:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39FD28FC16 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 02:50:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9V2oAbZ058116 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 02:50:10 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9V2oA47058115; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 02:50:10 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 02:50:10 GMT Message-Id: <201110310250.p9V2oA47058115@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-sysinstall@FreeBSD.org From: "deeptech71@gmail.com" Cc: Subject: Re: bin/161924: bsdinstall(8): add msg box telling user to remove install media X-BeenThere: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: "deeptech71@gmail.com" List-Id: Sysinstall Work List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 02:50:10 -0000 The following reply was made to PR bin/161924; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "deeptech71@gmail.com" To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: bin/161924: bsdinstall(8): add msg box telling user to remove install media Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 03:19:25 +0100 See my mailing list post [1] and Garrett Cooper's bug followup post [2] for reasons why this should be approached very conservatively, if at all. [1] http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2011-September/027715.html [2] http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=bin/160913#reply1 From owner-freebsd-sysinstall@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 31 04:00:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68EB8106564A for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 04:00:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanegomi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DF18FC12 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 04:00:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iabz21 with SMTP id z21so623959iab.13 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 21:00:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=FQjoOZp2D6KApwwXamCLb+En7+9kqzPW0RxqLroy9Po=; b=EJRd3Uu7k1JWZFkfkBVw0wDEDGvpL1kFe4O3+hLjjW5To/V00zRV3+n18QLO2T8NyP 6Q3Zuq6hD3SXvLtBRQWNJyUSY1P2OVvWym5ebeRUyDbIDu3ld/wx/6f5FDkMLSy1/EJL JFmGjLtRNgOFfUACgommbx/22EF/JQEIM7gVM= Received: by 10.68.66.36 with SMTP id c4mr20779097pbt.39.1320032043062; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 20:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.20.5] (c-24-6-49-154.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [24.6.49.154]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g1sm46794743pbv.2.2011.10.30.20.34.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 30 Oct 2011 20:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Garrett Cooper In-Reply-To: <201110310250.p9V2oA47058115@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 20:33:59 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <61F70548-23BE-4847-8007-71FBF153A499@gmail.com> References: <201110310250.p9V2oA47058115@freefall.freebsd.org> To: "deeptech71@gmail.com" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-sysinstall@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: bin/161924: bsdinstall(8): add msg box telling user to remove install media X-BeenThere: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Sysinstall Work List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 04:00:41 -0000 On Oct 30, 2011, at 7:50 PM, deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > The following reply was made to PR bin/161924; it has been noted by = GNATS. >=20 > From: "deeptech71@gmail.com" > To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org > Cc: =20 > Subject: Re: bin/161924: bsdinstall(8): add msg box telling user to = remove > install media > Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 03:19:25 +0100 >=20 > See my mailing list post [1] and Garrett Cooper's bug followup post > [2] for reasons why this should be approached very conservatively, if > at all. >=20 > [1] = http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2011-September/027715.h= tml > [2] http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3Dbin/160913#reply1 If one really wants eject functionality, the install media needs to be = redone with a memory disk image like sysinstall. Otherwise there isn't = any way for it to be done reliably as noted in the above two links. -Garrett From owner-freebsd-sysinstall@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 31 04:31:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sysinstall@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874441065672; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 04:31:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F44D8FC21; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 04:31:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9V4VZmi054798; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 04:31:35 GMT (envelope-from linimon@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from linimon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9V4VZp7054792; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 04:31:35 GMT (envelope-from linimon) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 04:31:35 GMT Message-Id: <201110310431.p9V4VZp7054792@freefall.freebsd.org> To: linimon@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-sysinstall@FreeBSD.org From: linimon@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: bin/162175: [patch] bsdinstall(8): add keymap selection loop and testing X-BeenThere: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Sysinstall Work List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 04:31:35 -0000 Old Synopsis: [patch] bsdinstall: add keymap selection loop and testing New Synopsis: [patch] bsdinstall(8): add keymap selection loop and testing Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-sysinstall Responsible-Changed-By: linimon Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Oct 31 04:31:16 UTC 2011 Responsible-Changed-Why: Over to maintainer(s). http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=162175 From owner-freebsd-sysinstall@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 31 11:07:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sysinstall@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3E31065672 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:07:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F17CF8FC08 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:07:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9VB7DD0056896 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:07:13 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9VB7DpT056894 for freebsd-sysinstall@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:07:13 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:07:13 GMT Message-Id: <201110311107.p9VB7DpT056894@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: gnats set sender to owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-sysinstall@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-sysinstall@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Sysinstall Work List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:07:14 -0000 Note: to view an individual PR, use: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=(number). The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o bin/162175 sysinstall [patch] bsdinstall(8): add keymap selection loop and t o bin/162152 sysinstall No up-to-date IPv6 French mirror in bsdinstall(8) f bin/161931 sysinstall bsdinstall(8): (add sysinstall partition config as opt o bin/161929 sysinstall bsdinstall(8): (change partition editor screen default o bin/161928 sysinstall bsdinstall(8): (add option to enable 2 button mouse co o bin/161926 sysinstall bsdinstall(8): disk layout trouble o bin/161924 sysinstall bsdinstall(8): add msg box telling user to remove inst o bin/161923 sysinstall bsdinstall(8) games & ports install options o kern/161837 sysinstall [libdisk] [patch] sysinstall(8) has a 32 disk limit o bin/161720 sysinstall bsdinstall(8): partition editor does not put partition o bin/161547 sysinstall [patch] bsdinstall(8) should identify wireless network f bin/161113 sysinstall bsdinstall(8): 9.0-BETA3: overwrites Win*-bootcodes wi o bin/161101 sysinstall bsdinstall(8): 9.0-BETA3: partition editor: UFS-option o bin/161100 sysinstall bsdinstall(8): 9.0-BETA3: Add User but no Add Group o bin/161056 sysinstall bsdinstall(8): could allow full control over newfs arg o bin/161055 sysinstall bsdinstall(8): partitioner should auto-populate GPT la f bin/161054 sysinstall bsdinstall(8): partitioner should list valid "type"s o bin/161053 sysinstall bsdinstall(8): network setup dialog is hard to navigat o bin/161052 sysinstall bsdinstall(8): should be consistent about saving confi o bin/161050 sysinstall bsdinstall(8): should use new syntax for IPv4 in rc.co o bin/161049 sysinstall bsdinstall(8): could try to tell if SSDs support TRIM o bin/161048 sysinstall bsdinstall(8): should run a concurrent shell on anothe o bin/161047 sysinstall bsdinstall(8): should not run on vt0 o bin/157635 sysinstall sysinstall(8): "none" Do not install a boot manager - o bin/157117 sysinstall sysinstall(8): Add ftp4.se.freebsd.org to list of IPv6 o bin/154788 sysinstall sysinstall(8) crashes if no network interface found o bin/154613 sysinstall sysinstall(8) does not rescan USB automatically o bin/151229 sysinstall sysinstall(8) - shift-tab doesn't work as expected o bin/150995 sysinstall sysinstall(8): corruption of partition table s bin/150237 sysinstall sysinstall(8): Suggestion: installer should suggest th o bin/148805 sysinstall [hang] FreeBSD 7.2, 8.0, and 9.0 hang during install a f bin/148220 sysinstall sysinstall(8): 9.0-current gets "Cannot resolv hostnam o bin/148201 sysinstall sysinstall(8): core dump (Error 10) while trying to in o bin/148053 sysinstall sysinstall(8) labeling o bin/146299 sysinstall sysinstall(8): cannot create slice o bin/145735 sysinstall sysinstall(8) trashes Vista-created partition tables o bin/145027 sysinstall Remove all sysinstall(8) references to floppy and slip o bin/144278 sysinstall [install] Fixit from USB dont work o bin/142867 sysinstall sysinstall(8): in a custom installation re-entering th o misc/142335 sysinstall Download of Release 8.0 LIVE is NOT a "live" from CD p o bin/140843 sysinstall sysinstall(8): cannot software install from usb o bin/140842 sysinstall sysinstall(8): destroyed ncurses interface with FBSD8. o bin/140595 sysinstall [request] sysinstall(8): Replace "Country Selection" w o bin/138423 sysinstall sysinstall(8): Installer (and sade) get wrong number o o bin/138025 sysinstall sysinstall(8) fails to create big partition o bin/137864 sysinstall [patch] sysinstall(8): add possibility to shutdown/pow o bin/137713 sysinstall sysinstall(8): installer partition editor generates in o bin/134425 sysinstall sysinstall(8) custom distributions select all and dese o bin/129762 sysinstall sysinstall(8) doesn't seem to support GPT for EFI boar s bin/123304 sysinstall sysinstall(8): missing sensible and user friendly prog o bin/121503 sysinstall sysinstall(8): 7.0 upgrade doesn't let me mount all of a bin/121124 sysinstall sysinstall(8): FreeBSD 6.3 installation deletes MBR pa o bin/119077 sysinstall [patch] sysinstall(8) - reading packages from index is o bin/113682 sysinstall [patch] sysinstall(8) warns for invalid geometry which o bin/112757 sysinstall sysinstall(8): sysinstall(8): in the FDISK tool we can o bin/110151 sysinstall sysinstall(8): sysinstall(8) don't respects install ro o bin/108191 sysinstall sysinstall(8): Disklabel editor help text (by F1 key) o bin/107830 sysinstall sysinstall(8): Change Units (Z) in fdisk doesn't work p bin/102638 sysinstall [patch] sysinstall(8): custom dist set always install o bin/102498 sysinstall sysinstall(8): Cursor doesn't track sysinstall hilight a bin/101762 sysinstall sysinstall(8) does not obey /usr/ports symlink while i o bin/97108 sysinstall sysinstall(8): write failure on transfer (wrote -1 byt o bin/93275 sysinstall sysinstall(8): Failure to install after restarting ins o bin/90656 sysinstall sysinstall(8): 6.0-RELEASE (i386) cannot be installed s bin/86859 sysinstall sysinstall(8): Installer should ask about Linux earlie o bin/86454 sysinstall sysinstall(8): sysinstall terminates with signal 10 if o bin/79910 sysinstall sysinstall(8): Cannot escape from failed port/package o bin/79840 sysinstall sysinstall(8): Partitioning and formating a new disk f o bin/79621 sysinstall sysinstall(8): sysinstall(8) does not create a device o bin/78964 sysinstall sysinstall(8): can not write labels to hdd on installa s bin/73617 sysinstall sysinstall(8): fdisk editor unmarks active partition o bin/73410 sysinstall sysinstall(8): Sysinstall could not allocate disklabel o bin/72895 sysinstall sysinstall(8): Sysinstall generates invalid partition o bin/70002 sysinstall sysinstall(8): fails to locate FTP dirs if the OS has o bin/69986 sysinstall sysinstall(8): [patch] no job control in fixit shell o o bin/69942 sysinstall sysinstall(8): sysinstall changes /etc/rc.conf after i o bin/69723 sysinstall sysinstall(8): [request] allow to continue from packag o bin/62702 sysinstall sysinstall(8): backup of /etc and /root during sysinst o bin/62367 sysinstall sysinstall(8): 5.2.1-RC installation problems o bin/61890 sysinstall sysinstall(8): fdisk(8) uses incorrect calculations fo o bin/61603 sysinstall sysinstall(8): wrong geometry guessed o bin/60632 sysinstall sysinstall(8): UI bug in partition label screen in sys o bin/53341 sysinstall sysinstall(8): [patch] dump frequency in sysinstall is o bin/48989 sysinstall sysinstall(8): Sysinstall's partition editor gets con s bin/48341 sysinstall sysinstall(8): changes the active slice flag when it p o bin/46905 sysinstall sysinstall(8): FreeBSD 5.x cannot be installed from mu o bin/46235 sysinstall sysinstall(8): NTP servers for Finland require updatin o bin/42162 sysinstall sysinstall(8): after restart, installation crashes, md o bin/41949 sysinstall sysinstall(8): sysinstall sorts /etc/rc.conf during ne o bin/41850 sysinstall sysinstall(8): sysinstall fails to create root filesys f bin/40260 sysinstall sysinstall(8): hang when detecting devices (No CD/DVD s conf/39580 sysinstall sysinstall(8): [request] more secure mount options o bin/38854 sysinstall sysinstall(8): resetting during setup causes the targe s bin/38609 sysinstall sysinstall(8): [request] sysinstall should know the si o bin/38478 sysinstall sysinstall(8): In Choose Distributions screen, it's di o bin/38057 sysinstall sysinstall(8): "install" document doesn't display corr o bin/38056 sysinstall sysinstall(8): User (creation)'s "Member groups" item o bin/38055 sysinstall sysinstall(8): Groups (creation) item should be before o bin/37710 sysinstall sysinstall(8): LAN interface in wrong state after atte a bin/32375 sysinstall sysinstall(8): sysinstall doesn't respect User generat o bin/31363 sysinstall sysinstall(8): "partition editor" silently corrects pa a bin/30737 sysinstall sysinstall(8): sysinstall leaks file descriptors on re o bin/29375 sysinstall sysinstall(8): disk editor gets confused by slices tha a bin/23402 sysinstall sysinstall(8): upgrade ought to check partition sizes o bin/16948 sysinstall sysinstall(8): sysinstall/disklabel: bad partition tab o bin/15038 sysinstall sysinstall(8): easy to not notice that selection lists s bin/7232 sysinstall sysinstall(8): suggestion for FreeBSD installation dia 107 problems total. From owner-freebsd-sysinstall@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 2 19:59:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2EF0106566B for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:59:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from blake1024@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BFF68FC13 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:59:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyg36 with SMTP id 36so709949wyg.13 for ; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 12:59:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=GW87Nfg8MW6VD4tIDDV+SsmEz0b3Swl/L7BwJONVB9w=; b=MB4mH5rRjMjVZEfTQ/pPil7Bct1dC9lR4O+hok+ZPFRxoTizQ6RHof5uWCh/tAKCtL lbSMZOKSkS6hR0XzemQIlUnXQq8KvfOSm5nqOzwVfXtWiZHeyy/mzM+vBvML4/5CiRj7 e4Cadkm4bGgZTw4n/2tD4mX7Tq3x6BbOQyBDo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.197.197 with SMTP id el5mr7295625wbb.26.1320262674900; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 12:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Sender: blake1024@gmail.com Received: by 10.180.94.7 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 14:37:54 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: k7bn_HlC-I-xU7XSyW4sBLPlnYk Message-ID: From: Blake McBride To: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Long standing problems with sysinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Sysinstall Work List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 19:59:42 -0000 I think the FreeBSD system is a great system. I am writing these comments as I run FreeBSD 9.0 RC1. I use Linux a lot. I have played with Free BSD a bunch of times over many years. When I first started, I noted, what I believed to be, some very significant problems with the install / setup program. I just worked around it, but this often caused me a lot of time on the Internet trying to find ways around some pretty simple things. I just assumed that it was an early draft of the setup routine and that it would be fixed in subsequent releases. Now, here I am with 9.0 RC1, and they are still present! I believe these issues are a very significant barrier to use of FreeBSD and would be easy to fix by someone involved with the maintenance of it. I'm not kidding, I think this is a very significant barrier! For this test I am running FreeBSD on a Mac using VMWare Fusion 4.0.2. I will enumerate my observations as follows: 1. In order to escape the virtual machine (VM) you hit the control key and the command key together. Both keys are supposed to be like the shift key - they don't do anything by themselves, they modify the behavior of another key. Hitting those two keys together should never do anything unless they are pressed with another key. However, in your install program the command key seems to exit the install. This means that if I attempt to do something else on my machine I must hit the control key together with the command key to move my mouse to my other applications but doing so exits the FreeBSD install! Your install program should ignore the command key when pressed by itself or with the control key. Otherwise, it causes an abort of the install if you attempt to do anything else on your computer. 2. On the screen "Distribution Select" the user selects his/her desired distribution set. Selection requires the use of the space bar. Now, this may be obvious to someone who does FreeBSD day-in and day-out, and it would also be obvious to those familiar with the old text based GUI's from the DOS days, but anyone else wouldn't have a clue. Why don't you include a little comment on the screen telling the to perform their selection with the space bar? 3. I now have the system installed and I am attempting to add packages. I go into sysinstall. (Of course if I hit control-command in order to add text to this commend sysinstall exits!) Within sysinstall I go to Configure / Packages / FTP / Main Site. The system responds with: "Can't find the '9.0-RC1' distribution..." or in the case of 8.0 I get "Can't find the '8.0-RELEASE-P2' distribution..." I had to change it to "8.0-RELEASE". or in the case of 8.2 I got something like: "Can't find the '8.2-RELEASE-P2' distribution..." I had to change it to: "8.2-RELEASE" In order to fix this one must go to Configure / Options and take off the "-P2" or "-P1" from the end of that string. The FTP site then works. How are people supposed to know that? No doubt this causes many people to reboot and install Linux. sysinstall should do that automatically when it communicates with your update site. I am shocked that someone would have to research and fix this every time they want to use the system, and that no one has fixed this for years. Oh, and BTW, what should the string be for 9.0-RC1? I tried "9.0" and "9.0-RC1" - neither work. (How can I install individual packages to test? 4. Within sysinstall, go to Configure / Packages / FTP / Main Site This takes you to the "Package Selection" screen. There are two buttons on the bottom. The one labeled "Install" is clear enough, however, what is "OK" supposed to mean? Does it mean "Okay, I'm done with my selection, go a head and install"? No. That's what "Install" is for. After experimenting I see it means "Select the highlighted package for further selection." I think that button would be a lot clearer if it was labeled "Select". This isn't the big problem though. The real big problem is that there is no way (I can find) to exit the screen and return to the prior menu. The only way to exit without performing an install is to hit ^C and tell it to abort. Amazing. There should be some way to decide that's not the screen you want to be on and be able to back up one screen. Assuming that screen is its own program and you can't backup, you should have a button labeled "Restart" that just reloads sysinstall. Don't leave someone stuck. This problem (not being clear how to select, move forward, or move back) is in many places throughout sysinstall. 5. Within sysinstall go to Configure / Packages / CD (with no CD present) The system tells you no CD and take you back to the main menu. However, if you go back to Configure it immediately it tells you no CD. You no longer get the choice of FTP or the other ones. It locks in on CD. You have to exit the program and re-start it to get the option back again. These problems have been with sysinstall for years. It's the first exposure people have with FreeBSD. I think these things would be very easy to fix and go a long way towards minimizing the barrier to entry into the FreeBSD world. Thank you. Blake McBride From owner-freebsd-sysinstall@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 2 21:26:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FBD01065674 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 21:26:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03FCB8FC21 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 21:26:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pA2L3cZC022657; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 15:03:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id pA2L3cPn022654; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 15:03:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 15:03:38 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Blake McBride In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 02 Nov 2011 15:03:38 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Long standing problems with sysinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Sysinstall Work List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 21:26:39 -0000 On Wed, 2 Nov 2011, Blake McBride wrote: > 1. In order to escape the virtual machine (VM) you hit the control key > and the command key together. Which VM? FreeBSD as a guest should not run any different than on real hardware. If the VM host's command key does not work right, that implies a problem with the VM software. And of course the "command" key could differ depending on VM software. Which keys, exactly? Or is this a Mac with an actual "command" key? > Both keys are supposed to be like the shift key - they don't do > anything by themselves, they modify the behavior of another key. > Hitting those two keys together should never do anything unless they > are pressed with another key. However, in your install program the > command key seems to exit the install. This means that if I attempt > to do something else on my machine I must hit the control key together > with the command key to move my mouse to my other applications but > doing so exits the FreeBSD install! Again, this would be up to the VM software. VirtualBox uses the right Control key, and it works as expected, switching the keyboard input focus from the VM guest to the host machine. > 2. On the screen "Distribution Select" the user selects his/her > desired distribution set. Selection requires the use of the space > bar. Now, this may be obvious to someone who does FreeBSD day-in and > day-out, and it would also be obvious to those familiar with the old > text based GUI's from the DOS days, but anyone else wouldn't have a > clue. Why don't you include a little comment on the screen telling > the to perform their selection with the space bar? The curses interface is standard across a lot of software, although I can sympathize with the desire for onscreen help. But if instructions on using space to select/deselect are needed onscreen here, there are lots of other places all throughout the install that should have them also. It's not practical on some screens with space restrictions. Maybe a global "Press F1 for keystroke help". > 3. I now have the system installed and I am attempting to add packages. I > go into sysinstall. See the man page for pkg_add about the PACKAGESITE variable. A value of ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-9-current/Latest would get the latest 9.0 packages for amd64. (Untested, I generally don't use packages.) From owner-freebsd-sysinstall@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 2 21:32:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sysinstall@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B5BB106566C; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 21:32:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eadler@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3360E8FC14; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 21:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pA2LWpp4002858; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 21:32:51 GMT (envelope-from eadler@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from eadler@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id pA2LWp0R002854; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 21:32:51 GMT (envelope-from eadler) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 21:32:51 GMT Message-Id: <201111022132.pA2LWp0R002854@freefall.freebsd.org> To: eadler@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-sysinstall@FreeBSD.org From: eadler@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: bin/162258: sysinstall(8): long-time bugs X-BeenThere: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Sysinstall Work List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 21:32:52 -0000 Old Synopsis: sysinstall long-time bugs New Synopsis: sysinstall(8): long-time bugs Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-sysinstall Responsible-Changed-By: eadler Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Nov 2 21:31:48 UTC 2011 Responsible-Changed-Why: Fix synopsis, reassign. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=162258 From owner-freebsd-sysinstall@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 2 22:13:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 505E01065670 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 22:13:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from blake1024@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2278FC12 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 22:13:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwp14 with SMTP id 14so1007749wwp.31 for ; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 15:13:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=iyy49FwAv4YF4siik+EqU8X4LRhVEsXWZ4DZwgPc6SI=; b=PCZZKrLBy/lcQRLh5At0PfF3BhME8/yVsQyiWKQuEAAgG9PzxwyCmifzWQD0ZX1Uo7 6PWjnLlG3lu3ebnkI6KA2cptLLQTWlvb02awKab8/Yhqc972TNi4xrkaj9RNVq5Y1EzQ zOi1MOtnHE9LInX2BLvlCqvqYURfdKeK854L4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.183.134 with SMTP id q6mr6529242wem.92.1320271987052; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 15:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Sender: blake1024@gmail.com Received: by 10.180.94.7 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 15:13:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 17:13:07 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: dRBCHwh_xSYp6kk8vzfOUpMES8A Message-ID: From: Blake McBride To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Long standing problems with sysinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Sysinstall Work List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:13:16 -0000 On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Warren Block wrote: > On Wed, 2 Nov 2011, Blake McBride wrote: > >> 1. =A0In order to escape the virtual machine (VM) you hit the control ke= y >> and the command key together. > > Which VM? =A0FreeBSD as a guest should not run any different than on real > hardware. =A0If the VM host's command key does not work right, that impli= es a > problem with the VM software. =A0And of course the "command" key could di= ffer > depending on VM software. =A0Which keys, exactly? =A0Or is this a Mac wit= h an > actual "command" key? > >> Both keys are supposed to be like the shift key - they don't do anything >> by themselves, they modify the behavior of another key. Hitting those tw= o >> keys together should never do anything unless they are pressed with anot= her >> key. =A0However, in your install program the command key seems to exit t= he >> install. =A0This means that if I attempt to do something else on my mach= ine I >> must hit the control key together with the command key to move my mouse = to >> my other applications but doing so exits the FreeBSD install! > > Again, this would be up to the VM software. =A0VirtualBox uses the right > Control key, and it works as expected, switching the keyboard input focus > from the VM guest to the host machine. Linux (many versions), Solaris, OpenIndiana, Windows XP & 7, and DOS all work fine. The command key doesn't interfere with any of them. I use VirtualBox and KVM elsewhere. On the machine I am trying to use FreeBSD on I use VMWare. It is quite inconvenient for me to switch on this box because of one OS. (I'd have to load up and configure all the other OS's). Additionally, VMWare is surely the most popular commercial VM software. FreeBSD should work. > >> 2. =A0On the screen "Distribution Select" the user selects his/her >> desired distribution set. =A0Selection requires the use of the space >> bar. =A0Now, this may be obvious to someone who does FreeBSD day-in and >> day-out, and it would also be obvious to those familiar with the old >> text based GUI's from the DOS days, but anyone else wouldn't have a >> clue. =A0Why don't you include a little comment on the screen telling >> the to perform their selection with the space bar? > > The curses interface is standard across a lot of software, although I can > sympathize with the desire for onscreen help. =A0But if instructions on u= sing > space to select/deselect are needed onscreen here, there are lots of othe= r > places all throughout the install that should have them also. =A0It's not > practical on some screens with space restrictions. Maybe a global "Press = F1 > for keystroke help". I am talking only about the first screen that uses the space bar. Once they see it on the first screen they'll have something to go on. > >> 3. =A0I now have the system installed and I am attempting to add package= s. >> =A0I >> go into sysinstall. > > See the man page for pkg_add about the PACKAGESITE variable. =A0A value o= f > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-9-current/Latest > would get the latest 9.0 packages for amd64. =A0(Untested, I generally do= n't > use packages.) > I don't understand this comment. Yes, I know I can use pkg_add. If sysinstall isn't going to work, get rid of the option. If it's supposed to do something, make it work. My comments were not to solicit help to get anything working. I can do it without suggesting corrections to sysinstall. I am providing feedback a user is experiencing (me). These relatively easy fixes I suggest will make the process much easier for people who are just taking a look and don't have a lot of experience. If they are just looking, many will likely give up if every function requires a research project. Anyone determined can figure it out. The more people you attract to FreeBSD the more investment in time and money will occur. Making the first step a frustrating research project does everything to filter out all but the already devoted. Blake McBride From owner-freebsd-sysinstall@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 2 22:42:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D25B106566B for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 22:42:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40348FC13 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 22:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pA2MgGOD023570; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 16:42:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id pA2MgGcF023567; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 16:42:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 16:42:16 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Blake McBride In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-902635197-50432613-1320273736=:23511" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 02 Nov 2011 16:42:16 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Long standing problems with sysinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Sysinstall Work List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:42:17 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---902635197-50432613-1320273736=:23511 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 2 Nov 2011, Blake McBride wrote: > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Warren Block wrote: >> On Wed, 2 Nov 2011, Blake McBride wrote: >> >>> 1.  In order to escape the virtual machine (VM) you hit the control key >>> and the command key together. >> >> Which VM?  FreeBSD as a guest should not run any different than on real >> hardware.  If the VM host's command key does not work right, that implies a >> problem with the VM software.  And of course the "command" key could differ >> depending on VM software.  Which keys, exactly?  Or is this a Mac with an >> actual "command" key? >> > > Linux (many versions), Solaris, OpenIndiana, Windows XP & 7, and DOS > all work fine. The command key doesn't interfere with any of them. > > I use VirtualBox and KVM elsewhere. On the machine I am trying to use > FreeBSD on I use VMWare. It is quite inconvenient for me to switch on > this box because of one OS. (I'd have to load up and configure all > the other OS's). Additionally, VMWare is surely the most popular > commercial VM software. FreeBSD should work. The VM guest should not be able to interfere with the host, that's the point of a VM. Again, knowing exactly which keys are being pressed might explain the problem. I used VMware with FreeBSD several years ago and don't recall any problems, but it may have changed since then. >>> 3.  I now have the system installed and I am attempting to add packages. >>>  I >>> go into sysinstall. >> >> See the man page for pkg_add about the PACKAGESITE variable.  A value of >> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-9-current/Latest >> would get the latest 9.0 packages for amd64.  (Untested, I generally don't >> use packages.) >> > > I don't understand this comment. Yes, I know I can use pkg_add. If > sysinstall isn't going to work, get rid of the option. If it's > supposed to do something, make it work. Sorry, I inadvertantly edited out a note about sysinstall itself going away. bsdinstall, the new installer, doesn't replace all of sysinstall's functions, and at present there isn't anything else to use for post-install config except the standalone utilities like pkg_add. ---902635197-50432613-1320273736=:23511--