From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 2 18:24:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EAE51065672; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:24:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 557A18FC14; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p02IOU1Z034677; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:24:30 GMT (envelope-from linimon@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from linimon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p02IOU7D034671; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:24:30 GMT (envelope-from linimon) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:24:30 GMT Message-Id: <201101021824.p02IOU7D034671@freefall.freebsd.org> To: linimon@FreeBSD.org, x11@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org From: linimon@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: ports/153593: graphics/dri: clutter segfault, something to do with intelCalcViewport call by mesa X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 18:24:30 -0000 Synopsis: graphics/dri: clutter segfault, something to do with intelCalcViewport call by mesa Responsible-Changed-From-To: x11->freebsd-x11 Responsible-Changed-By: linimon Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Jan 2 18:24:19 UTC 2011 Responsible-Changed-Why: Canonicalize assignment. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=153593 From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 2 18:24:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: x11@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EAE51065672; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:24:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 557A18FC14; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p02IOU1Z034677; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:24:30 GMT (envelope-from linimon@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from linimon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p02IOU7D034671; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:24:30 GMT (envelope-from linimon) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:24:30 GMT Message-Id: <201101021824.p02IOU7D034671@freefall.freebsd.org> To: linimon@FreeBSD.org, x11@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org From: linimon@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: ports/153593: graphics/dri: clutter segfault, something to do with intelCalcViewport call by mesa X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 18:24:30 -0000 Synopsis: graphics/dri: clutter segfault, something to do with intelCalcViewport call by mesa Responsible-Changed-From-To: x11->freebsd-x11 Responsible-Changed-By: linimon Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Jan 2 18:24:19 UTC 2011 Responsible-Changed-Why: Canonicalize assignment. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=153593 From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 3 11:07:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 548ED1065704 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 11:07:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A068FC27 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 11:07:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p03B7HQ4046679 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 11:07:17 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p03B7G05046677 for freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 11:07:16 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 11:07:16 GMT Message-Id: <201101031107.p03B7G05046677@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: gnats set sender to owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 11:07:17 -0000 Note: to view an individual PR, use: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=(number). The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o ports/153593 x11 graphics/dri: clutter segfault, something to do with i o ports/153451 x11 [PATCH] graphics/libGL remove mesa-demos as component o ports/153120 x11 x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati: Xserver/xdm crashes and fr o ports/152889 x11 [patch] x11-drivers/xorg-drivers default options kill o ports/152564 x11 I have updated x11-drivers/xf86-input-vmmouse to 12.6. o ports/152563 x11 I have updated the x11-drivers/xf86-video-vmware port o ports/152159 x11 [hang] xorg/x11: X11 freezes with Intel Mobile 965 and o ports/151596 x11 x11/xorg: wacom bamboo button 1 no longer works o ports/151373 x11 Please upgrade x11-drivers/xf86-video-neomagic to 1.2. o ports/150633 x11 x11-servers/xorg-server: KVM switching causing X serve o ports/150594 x11 [patch] graphics/dri: add support for ATI Radeon HD 42 o ports/150223 x11 [patch] x11-drivers/xorg-drivers/Makefile refers nonex o ports/150155 x11 x11/xorg hangs after xrandr(1) usage o ports/149743 x11 x11/xorg: garbled window since Xorg-7.5 o ports/149636 x11 x11/xorg: buffer overflow in pci_device_freebsd_read_r o ports/149537 x11 I have updated the x11/pixman port to release 0.18.2 o ports/148744 x11 Add more x11 applications to x11/xorg-apps o ports/148652 x11 x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel support for HM55 o ports/148591 x11 information note for x11-drivers/xf86-input-synaptics o ports/148444 x11 [hang] x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel: intel driver free o ports/148340 x11 x11-drivers/xf86-video-neomagic: unresolved symbol xf8 o ports/148095 x11 Regression / bug in x11-servers/xorg-server o ports/148035 x11 [patch] x11/xdm Fix auth in case of ro /usr o ports/148029 x11 Unable to build graphics/libGL o ports/147646 x11 [PATCH] graphics/libGL: fix linking with newer gcc and o ports/147568 x11 [patch] powerpc64 support for x11-servers/xorg-server o ports/147318 x11 [Patch]graphics/libdrm:Fix the PLIST when define WITHO o ports/147267 x11 PORT graphics/libglut should conflict with graphics/fr o ports/147149 x11 x11/xorg: Xorg 7.5 hangs o ports/147125 x11 x11-servers/xorg-vfbserver missing dependency o ports/146473 x11 keysym names are unavailable to x11/xmodmap after upgr o ports/146460 x11 x11/xorg: crash after upgrade to v7.5 with radeon driv o ports/146364 x11 x11/xeyes does not run, and destroy X o ports/146321 x11 x11/libSM picks the wrong uuid.h o ports/146264 x11 [regression] x11-servers/xorg-server 1.7.5,1 xorg.conf o ports/146256 x11 x11/xorg does fails to start after upgrade from 7.4 to o ports/145658 x11 x11-servers/xephyr: XGetVisualInfo returns multiple XV o ports/145649 x11 x11/xorg: X server crashes when starting opengl compos o ports/145218 x11 x11/xorg and x11/xorg-minimal fail to build on a fresh o ports/144598 x11 Makefile / pkg-plist issue with x11-drivers/xf86-video o ports/144287 x11 [PATCH] graphics/libGL and friends: Fix build with new o ports/142069 x11 x11/xorg: After adding on a laptop Toshiba Sattelite L o ports/141660 x11 x11/xorg: X can't determine amount of video memory on o ports/141386 x11 x11/xorg won't build from ports o ports/141272 x11 x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati and x11-drivers/xf86-video- o ports/141223 x11 x11-drivers/xf86-video-chips needs to be updated to 1. o ports/141145 x11 devel/makedepend: causes problem with openssl & X o ports/141116 x11 [hang] x11/xorg: ATI radeon xorg freezes [regression] o ports/140809 x11 x11/xorg: Xorg 7.4 radeon drm crashes 8.0 o ports/140775 x11 x11/xorg: fatal trap 12 after closing XORG with CTRL-A o ports/140764 x11 x11-drivers/xf86-video-openchrome segfaults with VIA K o ports/140254 x11 x11-drivers/xf86-video-cirrus: Black Screen with Cirru o ports/139011 x11 [patch] Add options to support GLX TLS in x11-servers o ports/137748 x11 x11/xorg: "unprocessed" mouse click results in effecti o ports/137731 x11 [patch] x11-drivers/xf86-input-vmmouse o ports/135276 x11 x11/xorg: GUI running first time only while using Free o ports/134643 x11 [patch] x11-servers/xorg-server - Unbreak Xorg 7.4 ser o ports/134244 x11 x11/xorg: "intel" driver for Xorg is very broken o ports/134132 x11 x11-servers/xorg-server: Intel i845 - xorg.conf with U o ports/134082 x11 x11/xdriinfo: xdriinfo-1.0.2 build fail o ports/133946 x11 x11-servers/xorg-server [patch] X crashes in xinerama o ports/133482 x11 x11/libXext "Generic Event Extension not available" er o ports/133465 x11 x11/xorg: X crashes with mplayer -vo xv with xf86-vide o ports/132621 x11 x11/xorg tries to install event when deselected o ports/132403 x11 x11/xorg with Radeon X600 (R370): cannot re-initialize o ports/131930 x11 [PATCH] x11-servers/xorg-server coredumps on exit o ports/131726 x11 x11-servers/xorg-server: xorg server messes with my eh s kern/130478 x11 [request] Port Linux kernel stub of nouveau to FreeBSD o ports/125883 x11 x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-cyrillic is installed, but fonts o ports/122830 x11 x11/xorg: Error in I830WaitLpRing() o ports/120947 x11 x11/xsm ignores system.xsm and .xsmstartup s ports/117907 x11 x11-servers/mga_hal broken on 7.0-BETA (GLIBC error) 72 problems total. From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 3 11:10:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: x11@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2036410656BD; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 11:10:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arved@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4E38FC18; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 11:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p03BAe90051482; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 11:10:40 GMT (envelope-from arved@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from arved@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p03BAedc051472; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 11:10:40 GMT (envelope-from arved) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 11:10:40 GMT Message-Id: <201101031110.p03BAedc051472@freefall.freebsd.org> To: arved@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ports-bugs@FreeBSD.org, x11@FreeBSD.org From: arved@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: ports/153644: patch for Xorg on powerpc needs to also be applied for powerpc64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 11:10:41 -0000 Synopsis: patch for Xorg on powerpc needs to also be applied for powerpc64 Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-ports-bugs->x11 Responsible-Changed-By: arved Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Jan 3 11:10:21 UTC 2011 Responsible-Changed-Why: Over to maintainers http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=153644 From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 3 18:53:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: x11@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139A6106566C; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:53:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE4928FC0C; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:52:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p03Iqx0W060679; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:52:59 GMT (envelope-from linimon@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from linimon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p03IqxJ4060675; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:52:59 GMT (envelope-from linimon) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:52:59 GMT Message-Id: <201101031852.p03IqxJ4060675@freefall.freebsd.org> To: linimon@FreeBSD.org, x11@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org From: linimon@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: ports/153644: patch for x11/xorg on powerpc needs to also be applied for powerpc64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 18:53:00 -0000 Old Synopsis: patch for Xorg on powerpc needs to also be applied for powerpc64 New Synopsis: patch for x11/xorg on powerpc needs to also be applied for powerpc64 Responsible-Changed-From-To: x11->freebsd-x11 Responsible-Changed-By: linimon Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Jan 3 18:52:45 UTC 2011 Responsible-Changed-Why: Canonicalize assignment. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=153644 From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 3 18:53:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139A6106566C; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:53:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE4928FC0C; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:52:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p03Iqx0W060679; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:52:59 GMT (envelope-from linimon@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from linimon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p03IqxJ4060675; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:52:59 GMT (envelope-from linimon) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:52:59 GMT Message-Id: <201101031852.p03IqxJ4060675@freefall.freebsd.org> To: linimon@FreeBSD.org, x11@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org From: linimon@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: ports/153644: patch for x11/xorg on powerpc needs to also be applied for powerpc64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 18:53:00 -0000 Old Synopsis: patch for Xorg on powerpc needs to also be applied for powerpc64 New Synopsis: patch for x11/xorg on powerpc needs to also be applied for powerpc64 Responsible-Changed-From-To: x11->freebsd-x11 Responsible-Changed-By: linimon Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Jan 3 18:52:45 UTC 2011 Responsible-Changed-Why: Canonicalize assignment. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=153644 From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 3 20:55:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DA6106566C; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 20:55:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B97E8FC0C; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 20:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p03KtHUQ090376; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 20:55:17 GMT (envelope-from linimon@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from linimon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p03KtHvv090372; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 20:55:17 GMT (envelope-from linimon) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 20:55:17 GMT Message-Id: <201101032055.p03KtHvv090372@freefall.freebsd.org> To: linimon@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-amd64@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org From: linimon@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: ports/153495: x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati wavy line problem for lenovo g555 X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 20:55:17 -0000 Old Synopsis: xf86-video-ati wavy line problem for lenovo g555 New Synopsis: x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati wavy line problem for lenovo g555 Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-amd64->freebsd-x11 Responsible-Changed-By: linimon Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Jan 3 20:54:39 UTC 2011 Responsible-Changed-Why: ports PR. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=153495 From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 3 21:06:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19DD8106566B; 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U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Subject: Nvidia driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 02:05:33 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigFA37F29D731C920D7275C8E9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For ages now I've been buying ATI cards for my home dual-boot machine, but it looks like the driver situation is only getting worse so I'm thinking of switching camps to nvidia. How good, well supported and easy to setup is the binary nvidia driver for FreeBSD? Is amd64 supported? How about 9-current / HEAD? (and an almost offtopic question - what is the NV equivalent of a [45]6xx mid-range card?) --------------enigFA37F29D731C920D7275C8E9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0ifKsACgkQldnAQVacBch5pQCeM/Tkin07KBiaVDSuE4yrKgSn 2VoAniFpcBNU+IoPJ9jha4OTHFHq4tTk =XKAD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigFA37F29D731C920D7275C8E9-- From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 4 04:54:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36432106566B; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 04:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from varga.michal@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893898FC13; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 04:54:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so6879362bwz.13 for ; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 20:54:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:cc :in-reply-to:references:content-type:organization:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mQdyzGXvD5imjmK45nRmha5qB4TTU99MOyw+EvbRxBo=; b=nJFd8Tvp4uYBN4Zj22jojVRDrJN8WgQIgjTFWG9XfiD+5m8GPfZiokBi+i8BEcqFG7 9KpkY7z7szSGVD9GneLiWn3WmIn06OfevT8CU7U023D+5ZtJ4Wz50ZfjUyyI92ImZT6B kKSLOXPOiggfasXr6WI8WAsPw2+ePCzqa8OkQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:organization :date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=EGHrQB2t9Giz/dka/t7uYFs2KmvxQPvjI9fK/tmbPwcL/uvKGeI2kviPI3lzDh9Plr mPjuEdOEgirTY2tqnkN3NE0NQus34owErXhWPKuNxNkXwlLxT9aQnDqMWucbUT2ny48X hU0za+jD316C4cGhSKS9EOwAUVs6oDdHrPPcc= Received: by 10.204.62.73 with SMTP id w9mr4014345bkh.11.1294115041308; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 20:24:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.101.2] (254.166.broadband10.iol.cz [90.177.166.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b17sm11810035bku.8.2011.01.03.20.23.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 Jan 2011 20:24:00 -0800 (PST) From: Michal Varga To: Ivan Voras In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Organization: Stonehenge Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 05:23:57 +0100 Message-ID: <1294115037.1500.36.camel@xenon> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nvidia driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 04:54:45 -0000 On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 02:49 +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: > For ages now I've been buying ATI cards for my home dual-boot machine, Ow. > but it looks like the driver situation is only getting worse so I'm > thinking of switching camps to nvidia. > Well as a long time nvidia user (counting back to Riva 128 days and iirc owned a few pieces from about every single nvidia generation), I could probably answer some of your questions, if that's ok. > How good, well supported and easy to setup is the binary nvidia driver > for FreeBSD? As for good - it's amazing, always has been (and I'm not a fanboy, just someone who can easily tell). 50% of reasons why you buy an nvidia card is their driver support (the other 50% being that it's nvidia and not ATI crap, but I doubt you would want to hear that part). Easy to setup - very. FreeBSD's nvidia ports use to lag behind official nvidia releases, but nvidia drivers are fairly clean and straightforward (and distfile structure rarely changes), so people just make their own ports whenever needed (sadly that's most the time, as nvidia doesn't release new drivers without any reason). Anyway - most the time it's as much work as editing a new version number in makefile, make makesum and upgrade/reinstall if you want to keep pace with nvidia and port maintainers are getting sleepy again. > Is amd64 supported? How about 9-current / HEAD? ADM64 - yes. Personally I don't run any amd64 systems for reasons unrelated, but a fair share of nvidia users do (still, far from majority). Anyway, as far as I can tell, works about the same as i386 drivers. CURRENT/HEAD - no idea, sorry. > (and an almost offtopic question - what is the NV equivalent of a > [45]6xx mid-range card?) I could probably answer that if you were more specific about your needs, as I have no idea what ATI model numbers mean (despite that I own some, just can't force myself to care - I mean it's ATI after all. That's all one needs to know). So, if you could be more specific about your preferences, from say, gaming/3d/opengl/video/movie acceleration/desktop performance/heat buildup/power consumption/price range/I don't want to be your betatester k thanks bye/ aspects, I could probably easily elaborate, but usually when ex-ATI owners just ask about their model numbers, all I have to offer is a sad look. And that wouldn't help you much :) m. -- Michal Varga, Stonehenge (Gmail account) From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 4 05:27:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C711D106566C; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 05:27:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328218FC19; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 05:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16so13651349fxm.13 for ; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 21:27:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=z3/A+Q9Ih0IPgiena2sAE4C+w++5SI3NAuwvGFRDt28=; b=hOTG6B5H9hA0De7d67MF11lN+6RstAp7zNxdn5HQxuxBlfI4KQNZCKzivn/jU+HvMr Eya+SV1UHpE47C+m3UL5zT6WhNyO0jCoecn2ufn3dUkWYecfv5Nt/mdqlb/qpsZ+ITCz +s/2Yck3cgbvyGGkPvPGaak/F2rdWXAav20Ec= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=of5zW0MP0kNwV3Wdw5NxOk2P4PmtpJVpUCuQDZNQ3x/JKq42EHm4/BVCiC+HsL/1DW 8SwAEY+fTwmob19y6fVbg1KqQabmfQM6TMHWdnNDlba54z8jKlxETmxd87rkKYU2/9Mv 4DFMK1YsHW6MZ1dzqCSnBZR5Z1zNFm8sJOdTU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.106.129 with SMTP id x1mr1485336fao.13.1294117509194; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 21:05:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.114.4 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 21:05:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1294115037.1500.36.camel@xenon> References: <1294115037.1500.36.camel@xenon> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 23:05:09 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Michal Varga Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, Ivan Voras Subject: Re: Nvidia driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 05:27:29 -0000 On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Michal Varga wrote > > > > Is amd64 supported? How about 9-current / HEAD? > > ADM64 - yes. Personally I don't run any amd64 systems for reasons > unrelated, but a fair share of nvidia users do (still, far from > majority). Anyway, as far as I can tell, works about the same as i386 > drivers. > amd64 runs great for me, there aren't any differences as far a configuration/ports/upgrading/etc from an end user perspective. FreeBSD amd64 binary Nvidia driver support is relatively new but I've never had a single issue with it although my needs are pretty basic. CURRENT/HEAD - no idea, sorry. > It's kinda like everything else on CURRENT, it works the majority of the time. However when it does break it can be painful. > > > (and an almost offtopic question - what is the NV equivalent of a > > [45]6xx mid-range card?) > > I could probably answer that if you were more specific about your needs, > as I have no idea what ATI model numbers mean (despite that I own some, > just can't force myself to care - I mean it's ATI after all. That's all > one needs to know). > > So, if you could be more specific about your preferences, from say, > gaming/3d/opengl/video/movie acceleration/desktop performance/heat > buildup/power consumption/price range/I don't want to be your betatester > k thanks bye/ aspects, I could probably easily elaborate, but usually > when ex-ATI owners just ask about their model numbers, all I have to > offer is a sad look. And that wouldn't help you much :) > > m. > > > -- > Michal Varga, > Stonehenge (Gmail account) > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-x11@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-x11 > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-x11-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 4 06:02:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23286106564A for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 06:02:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zeus@relay.ibs.dn.ua) Received: from relay.ibs.dn.ua (relay.ibs.dn.ua [91.216.196.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F568FC0A for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 06:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay.ibs.dn.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.ibs.dn.ua with ESMTP id p0462cvg050317; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 08:02:38 +0200 (EET) Received: (from zeus@localhost) by relay.ibs.dn.ua (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p0462cJx050316; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 08:02:38 +0200 (EET) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 08:02:38 +0200 From: Zeus V Panchenko To: Michal Varga Message-ID: <20110104060237.GA48298@relay.ibs.dn.ua> References: <1294115037.1500.36.camel@xenon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1294115037.1500.36.camel@xenon> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE X-Editor: GNU Emacs 23.2.1 Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nvidia driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: zeus@ibs.dn.ua List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 06:02:41 -0000 Michal Varga (varga.michal@gmail.com) [11.01.04 06:54] wrote: > > > (and an almost offtopic question - what is the NV equivalent of a > > [45]6xx mid-range card?) > > So, if you could be more specific about your preferences, from say, > gaming/3d/opengl/video/movie acceleration/desktop performance/heat > buildup/power consumption/price range/I don't want to be your betatester > k thanks bye/ aspects, I could probably easily elaborate, but usually > when ex-ATI owners just ask about their model numbers, all I have to > offer is a sad look. And that wouldn't help you much :) > is there way to get OpenCL working with nv drivers? if yes than which nv cards to choose for namely that - RAW images processing with use of GPU? -- Zeus V. Panchenko IT Dpt., IBS ltd GMT+2 (EET) From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 4 06:44:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6502A106564A for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 06:44:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from varga.michal@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8DD38FC12 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 06:44:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwf26 with SMTP id 26so13845658wwf.31 for ; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:44:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:cc :in-reply-to:references:content-type:organization:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BAVLRl48J3HeRuNbsThr+Yn0/SQXSpaShBi9CdooksE=; b=cf1DoboTeluDf0Xkm2JOMacvxrirgWUvFzDGXxH3rLNL2UYvg3IfmwO388S42f6QCM bM9eXUtBUaVJ2FR3kim/65fzBLPxzkbO8moePYC/2l9fF9j9/5M+O/J/ZllctW00Iom6 yffvUPjPgV+gNJvKD1tbBIB3i8FpTI1yDG1EE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:organization :date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=bU/UEMIJKDwUJISY+XQ2+iXG8MHDCF2zrrsneqmaJEv3VReR8aP6DyMP3V+13nWJSm HPaqjIP4YrcB38+BgKIM/qHN4XlCVwyRWtkxJK0pMm94VUPmaRR311T36KRXsXJG+XU6 PqY5xWlqMMkUm+vih1m0iMSkOf6tpFrABizLY= Received: by 10.216.59.143 with SMTP id s15mr4894935wec.49.1294123493810; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:44:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.101.2] (254.166.broadband10.iol.cz [90.177.166.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r6sm10309922weq.44.2011.01.03.22.44.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:44:53 -0800 (PST) From: Michal Varga To: zeus@ibs.dn.ua In-Reply-To: <20110104060237.GA48298@relay.ibs.dn.ua> References: <1294115037.1500.36.camel@xenon> <20110104060237.GA48298@relay.ibs.dn.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Organization: Stonehenge Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 07:44:50 +0100 Message-ID: <1294123490.1500.53.camel@xenon> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nvidia driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 06:44:55 -0000 On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 08:02 +0200, Zeus V Panchenko wrote: > is there way to get OpenCL working with nv drivers? if yes than which > nv cards to choose for namely that - RAW images processing with use of GPU? > Sadly I know of no plans for CUDA/OpenCL support within FreeBSD driver, the current state of affairs being somewhere around "there is no market for it". Basically, nvidia doesn't want to throw money on components that five FreeBSD people will use (and none of their corporate customers, I guess), but then of course, I could hardly speak for them. Just my observations while lurking on forums here and there.. So as far as I know, there is no way to run OpenCL natively on FreeBSD and probably won't be for a long time, unless someone big enough pushes them to (Solaris drivers too don't ship with OpenCL support). Still, FreeBSD driver currently installs - /compat/linux/usr/lib/libcuda.so.1 /compat/linux/usr/lib/libcuda.so.260.19.29 - so technically, Linux OpenCL programs *MIGHT* still work under compatibility layer if someone tried hard enough. Could you point me to some simple Linux OpenCL demos (binaries) that I coud try, for the sake of curiosity? m. -- Michal Varga, Stonehenge (Gmail account) From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 4 06:59:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 185261065693 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 06:59:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zeus@relay.ibs.dn.ua) Received: from relay.ibs.dn.ua (relay.ibs.dn.ua [91.216.196.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7649F8FC1F for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 06:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay.ibs.dn.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.ibs.dn.ua with ESMTP id p046xK5T062815; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 08:59:20 +0200 (EET) Received: (from zeus@localhost) by relay.ibs.dn.ua (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p046xIZK062811; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 08:59:18 +0200 (EET) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 08:59:18 +0200 From: Zeus V Panchenko To: Michal Varga Message-ID: <20110104065918.GB48298@relay.ibs.dn.ua> References: <1294115037.1500.36.camel@xenon> <20110104060237.GA48298@relay.ibs.dn.ua> <1294123490.1500.53.camel@xenon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1294123490.1500.53.camel@xenon> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE X-Editor: GNU Emacs 23.2.1 Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nvidia driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: zeus@ibs.dn.ua List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 06:59:24 -0000 Michal Varga (varga.michal@gmail.com) [11.01.04 08:45] wrote: > - so technically, Linux OpenCL programs *MIGHT* still work under > compatibility layer if someone tried hard enough. Could you point me to > some simple Linux OpenCL demos (binaries) that I coud try, for the sake > of curiosity? > really i do not know simple sample ... what i was thinking about when askied, was the best in the world RAW processor for xNIX-es: http://darktable.sourceforge.net in git they implement processing with OpenCL ... (sigh) -- Zeus V. Panchenko IT Dpt., IBS ltd GMT+2 (EET) From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 4 07:47:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13551106566C for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 07:47:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from varga.michal@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 908E98FC0A for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 07:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so6934592bwz.13 for ; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 23:47:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:cc :in-reply-to:references:content-type:organization:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YEe9WpqHmEeEEvqxbGHoTktzHGpn/6ZC57vBtuYGg6Q=; b=aVx5at59xTqhABMUNwA0pjBio6PgSO88zWWlHpW846SsHpcOOsrwjcxna6T4SizVH4 6sq2as78tjZKtDHmheUCweE5b7BytuoNXfQPMj02IYwELHZOr5jZpfVb1GNTBT34R08t R4dE86sxkY+YkymAaQSW2pD//GmxfOLtAMZwU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:organization :date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=cve2jU6j96T+8KzBBUV1xd0jARCbsFB8PkudU1QdkQtKQecC+/a7ObRh8DPr3V3SQ6 NdiVXg53jkaRqkQfHkf4qSpMbZeAUTqHUiCRXTS6ac6I7NvTmCr6J62hNMXg1HaFYAGK Ij71QYFc3Ce3VLvyGIl2ClieD90tqpEvAbApI= Received: by 10.204.51.11 with SMTP id b11mr10029700bkg.129.1294127227281; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 23:47:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.101.2] (254.166.broadband10.iol.cz [90.177.166.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 12sm11882370bki.7.2011.01.03.23.47.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 Jan 2011 23:47:06 -0800 (PST) From: Michal Varga To: zeus@ibs.dn.ua In-Reply-To: <20110104065918.GB48298@relay.ibs.dn.ua> References: <1294115037.1500.36.camel@xenon> <20110104060237.GA48298@relay.ibs.dn.ua> <1294123490.1500.53.camel@xenon> <20110104065918.GB48298@relay.ibs.dn.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Organization: Stonehenge Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 08:47:03 +0100 Message-ID: <1294127223.1500.70.camel@xenon> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nvidia driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 07:47:09 -0000 On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 08:59 +0200, Zeus V Panchenko wrote: > in git they implement processing with OpenCL ... (sigh) > Mmm, that would first require a Linux machine to build it, which I don't have handy here. Still would be much easier to start with a simple demo just to see if OpenCL integration could be made working (which I'm far from sure at this moment). By the way, I've just been playing for a while here with a native version of darktable, and thank you for pointing it out, that's one impressive piece of software (and quite slow, I can see where that OpenCL support would come really useful, oh well). m. -- Michal Varga, Stonehenge (Gmail account) From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 4 12:52:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB8C106564A; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 12:52:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FAB8FC1B; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 12:51:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p04CpgwJ087235; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 13:51:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id p04Cpgv4087234; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 13:51:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 13:51:42 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <201101041251.p04Cpgv4087234@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG, ivoras@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-x11 User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.4-PRERELEASE-20080904 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 04 Jan 2011 13:51:57 +0100 (CET) Cc: Subject: Re: Nvidia driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG, ivoras@FreeBSD.ORG List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 12:52:00 -0000 Ivan Voras wrote: > For ages now I've been buying ATI cards for my home dual-boot machine, > but it looks like the driver situation is only getting worse so I'm > thinking of switching camps to nvidia. Is it really that bad? I never cared much about ATI (AMD) vs. Nvidia, because it seemed that both of them have their share of advantages and disadvantages. A few months ago I bought a new box that happened to have ATI/AMD inside (it really didn't matter to me when I bought it), and it's working without any problems, including video acceleration (can play 1080p full-screen at low CPU usage) and 3D / GL stuff. More than enough for me. Unfortunately I can't say the same about my workstation at the office which has some Nvidia chip; it has problems with 3D support, I never got it to work stable in 64bit mode. I spent several hours, now I'm fed up with it and decided to simply run the darned thing in i386 mode (doesn't matter much, it has < 4 GB RAM anyway). As things stand today, according to my personal experience, I'd rather buy ATI/AMD again instead of Nvidia. Of course, my experience may not be representative. Your mileage may vary ... Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead." -- RFC 1925 From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 4 16:13:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37D1106566B; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 16:13:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from geo.liaskos@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6988FC27; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 16:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yie19 with SMTP id 19so3805813yie.13 for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 08:13:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=3hPgUoGMoPduDpjAqr6iyErifPr5i4l2/shvQSr5nKU=; b=HEK4g6h8SAiEndDpoIuzTfBWNqC1t7W5wdGCgRJugd4yrCBu+TXf2PziuQg4a7t9M8 unvWZB4fNhdkdJfocbOsdE08C/z4O117eOirLs1Zsqg00xV8IM/ZpWltKWppfG1dj6Ae CgJ8ayNaaBpEqECkWyxsRDwpeRJTscuOefgtU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=YYOG3P784ICBdCMlcww23UH87XpiBAyQa0ks5XGEf9KBRxPCnAtYtaFLKRTVMJYV9b +528eOgo10YaG8Fu1dERiJvV5Wl9fWjDVwB6yj6bstltKUpttQ/HVWfMh9OXEt6xKVki M6cIsyFJk/sc6xXagZDWSC1QKL4TxKc9DABq0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.42.12 with SMTP id p12mr12534805anp.32.1294156293665; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 07:51:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.226.5 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 07:51:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 17:51:33 +0200 Message-ID: From: George Liaskos To: Ivan Voras Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nvidia driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 16:13:41 -0000 On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 3:49 AM, Ivan Voras wrote: > For ages now I've been buying ATI cards for my home dual-boot machine, > but it looks like the driver situation is only getting worse so I'm > thinking of switching camps to nvidia. > > How good, well supported and easy to setup is the binary nvidia driver > for FreeBSD? Is amd64 supported? How about 9-current / HEAD? > > (and an almost offtopic question - what is the NV equivalent of a > [45]6xx mid-range card?) Never had an issue with the binary driver, i am using it for almost two years now. I switched to amd64 from day one that the beta driver became available. After clang got committed to HEAD i follow CURRENT (amd64) with zero problems too. There is a port for the binary driver, couldn't be easier to install. Try a GT240 based card, it has support for VDPAU feature set C too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_PureVideo#Table_of_PureVideo_.28HD.29_GPUs From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 4 19:28:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D9B1065742 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 19:28:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivoras@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6092F8FC1B for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 19:28:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36so14163062qyk.13 for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 11:28:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=vKUr8mdXrYMvzWuECteCbx9uvF5qTVn6eSRrFgGkM6I=; b=hYJ7OOjItn42Z3kxeGnP3ipxCX0czEz78O5ueR1y83ckuYwArnvwKHPNnYlJyiOI3l j6s/Um1L6hF3hTEVwngEpGI+VW/BM070hXXc0QI1+S3kMG81T4sEibzLWeQppjxJdwyF CGBW2JvTgY/cLMTq0Tfrct68O2nyg9vgrROzE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; b=xaR3TwwW0JvCTbP495dTFmtoRBNPAqDwRkIgN5Qs8lOIjXgALniBJU17v9wHVCwUTR YezSdQJp9HBC3NcV/HEiBd6k+qzA40infjKPPnxU9NY7zi9Ere3ksufVhmYVZ+HxLUGr X8UmBdnk3XqhNbk84wICE/QdofolvUuBg0Qx4= Received: by 10.229.246.79 with SMTP id lx15mr19743404qcb.25.1294168855118; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 11:20:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: ivoras@gmail.com Received: by 10.229.44.70 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 11:20:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Ivan Voras Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 20:20:09 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: KHUXMG1brRFvNcgbk1n2DEsajcQ Message-ID: To: George Liaskos Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nvidia driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 19:28:32 -0000 On 4 January 2011 16:51, George Liaskos wrote: > > There is a port for the binary driver, couldn't be easier to install. thanks! > Try a GT240 based card, it has support for VDPAU feature set C too. The GT240 seems to be within my price range, it looks ok. Only one thing sticks out: it says in the description "DirectX 10.1" - I have no specific wish for anything better but 10.1 was supported by ATI's 4xxx card, practically two generations ago - is GT240 that old? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_PureVideo#Table_of_PureVideo_.28HD.29_GPUs Is it supported by common software like VLC (in X11)? From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 4 19:39:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7F7106564A for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 19:39:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivoras@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E53A8FC23 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 19:39:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so14312613qwj.13 for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 11:39:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SJlsQGvTEVKRVzjror8uMKVJB1Tx8ePFtZdaA2uFaDc=; b=JXKiHR8ufjvsKLXNOzDtCAI365/AQnSd4wscS7SypA2LZIdwxoML+A0DPFnHZJr6lX 4fL8Wks+n1OpWpTSRWvmH5TSTHkAIlJQGpzg5+9KYEnSha/b5AR7tTqDDNGrmBTBVWFr xDAgcLHYBJvVHcuci+h7tRc60YlgxxAIw7/8M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=tUf2uQ3WioLQEzEqDYk/Xx8ZUMaiIdrZz5PyzvMDdFKtMYUPjGMS8xMtlDSCieR+uR u8qdesDgWgS0e4A5sfIFUip5E2+uvgQTvqxwhETQZCa2X1NbmebhwNKh3Jcnmn0G2QUK z8GAkHAwxRV/kgkh4g2NgII3UXP504rIRbn4I= Received: by 10.229.43.195 with SMTP id x3mr19040484qce.291.1294168506678; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 11:15:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: ivoras@gmail.com Received: by 10.229.44.70 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 11:14:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201101041251.p04Cpgv4087234@lurza.secnetix.de> References: <201101041251.p04Cpgv4087234@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Ivan Voras Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 20:14:26 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: dCwnsiOGq9hvu2hiRtZqHTV8UCA Message-ID: To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Nvidia driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 19:39:30 -0000 On 4 January 2011 13:51, Oliver Fromme wrote: > Ivan Voras wrote: > =C2=A0> For ages now I've been buying ATI cards for my home dual-boot mac= hine, > =C2=A0> but it looks like the driver situation is only getting worse so I= 'm > =C2=A0> thinking of switching camps to nvidia. > > Is it really that bad? Perhaps I'm getting even more impatient :) Basically, ATI has two generations of card widely present on the market: the 4xxx and the 5xxx, with 6xxx starting to ship and 7xxx will probably come out at the end of 2011 (luckily, the naming scheme is simple with ATI). The 4xxx generation started to ship in 2008 and is currently the last one for which open-source 3D-capable drivers exist. It's simple: I have a 3600 card from 2008 and though I'm not a big gamer, it's time to upgrade (also I suspect overheating problems with it). I'm also very much used to having a 3D desktop in X so the next card must support it or it will seem like a step backward. > I never cared much about ATI (AMD) vs. Nvidia, because it > seemed that both of them have their share of advantages > and disadvantages. =C2=A0A few months ago I bought a new box > that happened to have ATI/AMD inside (it really didn't > matter to me when I bought it), and it's working without > any problems, including video acceleration (can play 1080p > full-screen at low CPU usage) and 3D / GL stuff. =C2=A0More > than enough for me. =C2=A0Unfortunately I can't say the same > about my workstation at the office which has some Nvidia > chip; it has problems with 3D support, I never got it to > work stable in 64bit mode. =C2=A0I spent several hours, now > I'm fed up with it and decided to simply run the darned > thing in i386 mode (doesn't matter much, it has < 4 GB > RAM anyway). > > As things stand today, according to my personal experience, > I'd rather buy ATI/AMD again instead of Nvidia. So would I. I know everyone has his own experiences but I had much less problems with ATI cards than some of my friends with nvidia (excluding the whole "open source" issue :) ). But I concluded I'll not buy a two generations old card just because there are no new drivers available, it's easier to try switching. Since my requirements are low, my target price class is also low, it will not be a critical issue if it doesn't work out. From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 4 19:53:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B7B1065673 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 19:53:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@usermode.org) Received: from vps.hungerhost.com (vps.hungerhost.com [216.38.53.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05048FC1B for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 19:53:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from netblock-66-245-217-187.dslextreme.com ([66.245.217.187] helo=[192.168.1.5]) by vps.hungerhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PaAiP-0007lo-3V for freebsd-x11@freebsd.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 12:30:33 -0500 Message-ID: <4D235937.6080708@usermode.org> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 09:30:31 -0800 From: David Johnson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101209 Fedora/3.1.7-0.35.b3pre.fc14 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org References: <201101041251.p04Cpgv4087234@lurza.secnetix.de> In-Reply-To: <201101041251.p04Cpgv4087234@lurza.secnetix.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.hungerhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - usermode.org Subject: Re: Nvidia driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 19:53:12 -0000 On 01/04/2011 04:51 AM, Oliver Fromme wrote: > Ivan Voras wrote: > > For ages now I've been buying ATI cards for my home dual-boot machine, > > but it looks like the driver situation is only getting worse so I'm > > thinking of switching camps to nvidia. > > Is it really that bad? I once bought an nvidia because of it's FreeBSD support. After about three months I realized that they didn't really support FreeBSD all that well. The drivers were old, and frequently kept me from upgrading my kernel. I was also getting a lot of kernel panics. I switched to ATI and have never looked back. The drivers are open source, and support the functionality I need. They don't support the latest HD5xxx cards, but that's okay because I'm perfectly happy running HD4xxx cards. -- David Johnson From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 4 20:29:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB77C1065674; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 20:29:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from geo.liaskos@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82EBD8FC1A; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 20:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8so6115040gxk.13 for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 12:29:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=yxQcvsaI9mT+Bb6p5Bo5KZ78NvyV4ouXolq3a2bC6Ho=; b=icSAruNK7ZtdY3Xmj3E8l8Uj3qMSVEfE/cgXr03CmUKpyCvpPvoOJCuKIAZFIvbF7U KfT5zq+EwDKfQ7+6n+BXztNRHACfh1owY/QZw+sR9gNfOjigsfuP3Hv/uxUIA8BRB+4c obcuVvaohrjMG5LLeoHoGqvfmjJvTvduFxR94= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=lRMiUxvWDOIGH5bSVAK7GDEtugFNj/d1AksvLfT2swAaIEkqicX30jdoH0WtVYWuIa FjeijDHHYju08rerlPGFkCGQAnYngmzRyyJDf7UFRv3MiXQdVB08KAKRS/GBYMw/45XW ui4DAPOTLl6eNxFPM/4PQRpr9Fz1ciscydQlc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.71.13 with SMTP id y13mr116307ank.100.1294172949904; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 12:29:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.226.5 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 12:29:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 22:29:09 +0200 Message-ID: From: George Liaskos To: Ivan Voras Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nvidia driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 20:29:10 -0000 > The GT240 seems to be within my price range, it looks ok. Only one > thing sticks out: it says in the description "DirectX 10.1" - I have > no specific wish for anything better but 10.1 was supported by ATI's > 4xxx card, practically two generations ago - is GT240 that old? Yes it's old, do a research about GTS450. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_PureVideo#Table_of_PureVideo_.28HD.29_GPUs > > Is it supported by common software like VLC (in X11)? multimedia/ffmpeg has a configuration option for VDPAU, VLC / Mplayer / XBMC etc use ffmpeg for decoding, so yes. I have an ATI 3650HD on my laptop, obviously the open source driver offers a cleaner solution but after all these years it doesn't provide basic features like proper power management. The card works at 100% all the time and it gets pretty hot. I don't even touch topics like 3D performance and CPU offloading. If nvidia doesn't support FreeBSD then who does, intel or amd? Who works for those opensource drivers to become better on freebsd, i am all for donating. From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 4 21:35:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 260F61065675 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 21:35:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivoras@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D05148FC16 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 21:35:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so14421172qwj.13 for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 13:35:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=fnPh3HCurEqk3KQxo5tv2JSGXk3HLOKz8nWb2Wy1Vxs=; b=vYdEyl6P7b89MhAGFA+GRg2pKugOmNSZlEy35QgVAH9D3JbUGW0BdfMyKwGaUWdDTu 2mE1IFCInJ0ZPOfCvuVHlzacNAW/DW6y7z9nwQWw2wJWErobqAoPrYjaw7/6E0PvvuPK kJ9LkcGEpPAnWfBemni0sJk8QzpxT8G2zjrnQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; b=HO6t1bhrDLsxcQ5jwI84DRcX9I+1QgPJhXzC4s0SPBO5v/FQVQj1AsPZhRdde39doG qlkdraGoJ7SKSovBzm2jObqHDmSjRvKPGq39s6gqLLfThqfChJBXHzaTaBTPgxhPkb5O em+Q2nv2m36RaF5JDcxFZ/0D5Ekby3fbi/9MY= Received: by 10.229.213.130 with SMTP id gw2mr4826516qcb.253.1294176915859; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 13:35:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: ivoras@gmail.com Received: by 10.229.44.70 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 13:34:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Ivan Voras Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 22:34:35 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8HrHRaw9Th74hN1QbNlLevaYvv4 Message-ID: To: George Liaskos Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nvidia driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 21:35:17 -0000 On 4 January 2011 21:29, George Liaskos wrote: > Who works for those opensource drivers to become better on freebsd, i > am all for donating. Most open source X11 drivers are (luckily) developed the same for Linux and FreeBSD: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ AFAIK the Open source effort for nvidia drivers is not very popular (develops even more slowly than for ATI cards) because the binary drivers work good enough for most users. It's a very sorry situation. It gets even more complicated every couple of years when the Linux guys introduce "revolutionary" technology which breaks compatibility with everything else (and other OSes). In the recent years there have been several "innovations" which fragment the whole situation into oblivion: * Abandoning HAL : http://www.x.org/wiki/Other/Press/X11R76Released * GEM : http://lwn.net/Articles/283798/ * Gallium3D : http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/gallium * Kernel mode setting : http://www.x.org/wiki/ModeSetting Most of these are well intended and good in long term but for now, the situation with X.Org drivers looks like an uncoordinated mess. From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 4 23:06:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 081E8106566C for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 23:06:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B459D8FC13 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 23:06:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c83-255-61-120.bredband.comhem.se ([83.255.61.120]:64668 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PaFjn-0005gw-71 for freebsd-x11@freebsd.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 23:52:21 +0100 Received: (qmail 21670 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2011 23:52:18 +0100 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 4 Jan 2011 23:52:18 +0100 Received: (qmail 65575 invoked by uid 1001); 4 Jan 2011 23:52:18 +0100 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 23:52:18 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: Ivan Voras Message-ID: <20110104225217.GA65512@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Originating-IP: 83.255.61.120 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1PaFjn-0005gw-71. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1PaFjn-0005gw-71 67609aa4e195ddbb4ec05ae77395b0d6 Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nvidia driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 23:06:55 -0000 On Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 10:34:35PM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: > On 4 January 2011 21:29, George Liaskos wrote: > > > Who works for those opensource drivers to become better on freebsd, i > > am all for donating. > > Most open source X11 drivers are (luckily) developed the same for > Linux and FreeBSD: > > http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ > > AFAIK the Open source effort for nvidia drivers is not very popular > (develops even more slowly than for ATI cards) because the binary > drivers work good enough for most users. That is also because Nvidia is notorious for not releasing any documentation for any of their hardware, while ATI/AMD has provided lots of documentation for their chips. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 00:25:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACCE6106567A for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 00:25:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markiyan.kushnir@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D778FC12 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 00:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so15086185iwn.13 for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 16:25:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=WeSHAmYmQoY1i9+EOml5huENA8TczoIgA2CAa7ZcFLU=; b=kkJokI+aQvm3CxlzBF5gthWENus+xIOfIils3aeKjDhOcyA1UpM14LPzX+f33QRjVL GzbrpI9Atj3gR2GA8ogXOcH7HYqYnv14UKp5Xdi+TVZ5DMha+mqht0rFfh5rlvBF58AM q7nlRpnktopF1opMgl+4WKtU9WU/6G2SK2rsg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=nPBftIyEHQHoA5WQhOc6obSDh76SD6GQgPMEdbQfaZ23iCtQcBairVA+SSgm1vno/8 EuWn2ayIW9s3asXuFbfYRD7WIYobJvmP1debp8JiXBNMjw9j7Z+lL+AzJ8RvfHpvSx1K 8u9TtW76xKjzYdsATLasAiLXdDMduOe7C00co= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.32.76 with SMTP id b12mr6087825ibd.162.1294185312401; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 15:55:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.147.131 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 15:55:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 01:55:12 +0200 Message-ID: From: Markiyan Kushnir To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: ATI Radeon HD 4350 (RV710) on ASUS P5K Deluxe hang at Xorg startup. X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 00:25:29 -0000 Another DRI-related freeze ... ATI Radeon HD 4350 (RV710) on ASUS P5K Deluxe hangs at the startup of the Xorg with DRI enabled. Hard freeze, the Power Button does not bring the system down. I could only use the Reset Button. % uname -a FreeBSD localhost.test 8.2-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 8.2-PRERELEASE #0: Mon Jan 3 17:29:21 EET 2011 root@localhost.test:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MAREK i386 An older Radeon R200 on an Intel 945PRN worked OK running the same FreeBSD release. This older Radeon, when plugged in the ASUS P5K, hits the same hard freeze (I actually moved the hard drive and the video card from that Intel 945PRM to the ASUS P5K). This ASUS board has two PCI-E alots, so I tried a different slot, no success. As another exercise, I forced a separate IRQ to the video card using "hw.pci0.2.0.INTA.irq=3" loader tunable (based on the $PIR table). With this separate irq, still no luck, not sure if I should try it at all, since the card gets an MSI any way. I also tried a trick with forcing the libthr.so.3 linking into the Xorg binary, discussed a year ago at: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-x11/2010-February/009362.html I built the xorg-server with the HAL support, no luck. As a side note, each test of the Xorg was done on a newly started-up system, that is no previous "successful" X session took place. Since no Xorg.log.0 in such cases was normally available, I have collected output from /var/log/messages. Because of the "hw.dri.0.debug: 1", the output is quite huge, here are a couple of cases: http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/1960.tgz http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/1991.tgz http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/3238.tgz http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/3239.tgz http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/3249.tgz Additional info: % devinfo -rv: http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/devinfo-rv.tgz % pciconf -lvc http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/pciconf-lvc.tgz The output of dmesg: http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/dmesg.tgz The Xorg configuration: http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/xorg.conf.tgz I am aware that some video card + motherboard ensembles have issues like this one, so I am curious if anyone could suggest a hint. Thanks, Markiyan. From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 04:39:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF19106566B for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 04:39:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3F48FC17 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 04:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so15219361iwn.13 for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 20:39:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=p3NSfLCfOsoBHeM7nDhyYp711S37C5VVAFkCvDnwNyc=; b=f2RnQE3ydlL2PuZrIrBs//0XTswzY62hIzTwvDpP7qaGPaUp8RpraXJwWFCzkQU6Xt 8lJo3IaP40e8J+FIwDntBkV8EgttEecIs/8K1c6BHcsE8Tw9N2WR8jmwJD5gJEC1NjkG Nu9x6rcWHI8YhuZpgN0hFC6TinpHcUVs+b10E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=bL9JA376FuoIm1eaBA6kovZJAx1ybEpOUxRh8Xtw5gAdUZUJckaBA2FI+ZRAKztRZp z/E/73Kr6f8xBUbr08ZGWwpXUQfMvV4dv5M6LNG1MJTSsiON+g7ZeOk0WNmPs1eN0Iux DAqrRHtAOEI8B0+V8O+qwkg/bSPy1luDbUICk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.39.200 with SMTP id h8mr22570177ibe.150.1294200967179; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 20:16:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.79.197 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 20:16:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 23:16:07 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Markiyan Kushnir Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ATI Radeon HD 4350 (RV710) on ASUS P5K Deluxe hang at Xorg startup. X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 04:39:47 -0000 On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Markiyan Kushnir wrote: > Another DRI-related freeze ... > > ATI Radeon HD 4350 (RV710) on ASUS P5K Deluxe hangs at the > startup of the Xorg with DRI enabled. Hard freeze, the Power Button > does not bring the system down. I could only use the Reset Button. > > % uname -a > FreeBSD localhost.test 8.2-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 8.2-PRERELEASE #0: Mon > Jan 3 17:29:21 EET 2011 > root@localhost.test:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MAREK i386 > > An older Radeon R200 on an Intel 945PRN worked OK running the same FreeBS= D > release. This older Radeon, when plugged in the ASUS P5K, hits the same > hard freeze (I actually moved the hard drive and the video card from > that Intel 945PRM to the ASUS P5K). > > This ASUS board has two PCI-E alots, so I tried a different slot, > no success. As another exercise, I forced a separate IRQ to the video > card using "hw.pci0.2.0.INTA.irq=3D3" loader tunable (based on the > $PIR table). With this separate irq, still no luck, not sure if I should > try it at all, since the card gets an MSI any way. > > I also tried a trick with forcing the libthr.so.3 linking into the Xorg > binary, discussed a year ago at: > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-x11/2010-February/009362.html > > I built the xorg-server with the HAL support, no luck. > > As a side note, each test of the Xorg was done on a newly started-up > system, > that is no previous "successful" X session took place. > > Since no Xorg.log.0 in such cases was normally available, I have collecte= d > output from /var/log/messages. Because of the "hw.dri.0.debug: 1", the > output is quite huge, here are a couple of cases: > > > http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/196= 0.tgz > > http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/199= 1.tgz > > http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/323= 8.tgz > > http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/323= 9.tgz > > http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/324= 9.tgz > > Additional info: > > % devinfo -rv: > > http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/dev= info-rv.tgz > > % pciconf -lvc > > http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/pci= conf-lvc.tgz > > The output of dmesg: > > http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/dme= sg.tgz > > The Xorg configuration: > > http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/xor= g.conf.tgz > > I am aware that some video card + motherboard ensembles have issues > like this one, so I am curious if anyone could suggest a hint. > > Thanks, > Markiyan. > There is the following list : http://www.asus.com/websites/global/aboutasus/OS/Linux.pdf The mother board P5K Deluxe does not appear in that list . It means that it is not tested and listed for Linux ( which is an indicator about usability by Unix like operating systems ) . Also there is no any such name among =C2=A8All products=C2=A8 list about M= ain boards : http://www.asus.com/AllProducts.aspx?PG_ID=3DmKyCKlQ4oSEtSu5m The following board ( if your board is exactly that one ) P5K Deluxe/WiFi-AP( exact match of names is very important ) is for only XP and Vista : http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=3D0e9NyGEDLjtBRtyB If name of your board is exactly P5K Deluxe these are different from each other ( in the sense that , if one is working with a Unix-like operating system , it does not make a guaranty that the other will work ( Please see the above Linux.pdf list and products in All Products list for similar sounding names )) . It could not be possible to see your dmesg because access to sites.google.com is prohibited in Turkey . To test your main board , you may install one of the Linux ( Asus is using Ubuntu , RedHat , SuSe , Fedora ) distributions . If it works well , this may mean that FreeBSD related driver(s) has(have) problems . My expectation is that FreeBSD or any Linux will NOT work satisfactorily on that board because it is mainly produced for Windows means some circuits are not suitable for Unix-like operating systems . It may work for a while but it i= s very likely that , at some point it will crash ( from my personal experienc= e from another board ). It is not clear from you message that whether FreeBSD is installed in that board , or an installed hard disk in another board is moved to that board . If previously installed hard disk moved without new install in the new main board ( I think , this is not the case ), it will surely not work . ( If the above links do not work , please access directly to Asus site and follow links in their pages . ) Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 09:45:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37246106564A for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 09:45:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: from uriah.heep.sax.de (uriah.heep.sax.de [213.240.137.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E028FC0A for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 09:45:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by uriah.heep.sax.de (Postfix, from userid 107) id 383D51C; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:12:40 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:12:40 +0100 From: Joerg Wunsch To: x11@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110105091240.GF1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-GPG-Fingerprint: 5E84 F980 C3CA FD4B B584 1070 F48C A81B 69A8 5873 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: Subject: xf86-video-intel upgrade, anyone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Joerg Wunsch List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 09:45:39 -0000 Hello, my wife bought a new laptop as here old one is breaking into pieces. It's a Dell laptop using a graphics device that is intetgrated into the CPU package (PCI ID 0x0046/0x8086). Some investigation reveals that X.org's Intel driver branch 2.8 appears to offer support for this, while the FreeBSD port is still at 2.7.1. I tried to do a "quick upgrade" of the port locally, but cannot get it to either patch (several patches fail to apply), or after removing all patches, to compile. Before I start a hunk-to-hunk analysis of the existing patches to see what's needed and what has to be removed (because it's already part of the X.org sources), did anyone already do this? The issue is moderately urgent, because if I cannot get X.org to run on the laptop, we have to return it to the seller within a couple of weeks. -- cheers, J"org .-.-. --... ...-- -.. . DL8DTL http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 13:16:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1471065673 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 13:16:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markiyan.kushnir@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17CB58FC0C for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 13:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb26 with SMTP id 26so14501064iyb.13 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 05:16:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2KqkqWiHMt7DGraXs+Zv3l+IL6L07umRdX+0KdC/HbE=; b=vRVmiL569JtezH/yMOchTY62S/PbUxNMb7ts1r8pXNRGVJRkm+RpN4L3lgljsR5okR sHa/OXIpq1ZuQSXJvU3mQlmEPYqcdh/zt1lOoHVO/9cM0yBjWsDOK3PjB7qaMexmp5wK lzxpwGP5HTYkhZyI2d/XEg/vtxneRKP/8rGiM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=uvaw3TpiAtwkMOBEZeWj0wuLzGx7g7gj+L2EqSpbeIhQdFLwf6HvpwFE7o+gbov2UR I5FcsygiqG2jT0Jvi3GMBHOrBnY1ygXLG3Hx7TmTb3jitblf3rvkA7BpU8DM+EgtOjYu cMPlHiJHE+z7XtH8o9QmWodfNt50K6JR/CtlA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.15.133 with SMTP id k5mr22391355iba.187.1294233384377; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 05:16:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.147.131 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 05:16:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 15:16:23 +0200 Message-ID: From: Markiyan Kushnir To: freebsd-x11 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=00032555f11a21e08604991931cb X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: ATI Radeon HD 4350 (RV710) on ASUS P5K Deluxe/WiFi-AP hang at Xorg startup. X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 13:16:25 -0000 --00032555f11a21e08604991931cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2011/1/5, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk : > On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Markiyan Kushnir > wrote: > >> Another DRI-related freeze ... >> >> ATI Radeon HD 4350 (RV710) on ASUS P5K Deluxe hangs at the >> startup of the Xorg with DRI enabled. Hard freeze, the Power Button >> does not bring the system down. I could only use the Reset Button. >> >> % uname -a >> FreeBSD localhost.test 8.2-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 8.2-PRERELEASE #0: Mon >> Jan 3 17:29:21 EET 2011 >> root@localhost.test:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MAREK i386 >> >> An older Radeon R200 on an Intel 945PRN worked OK running the same FreeB= SD >> release. This older Radeon, when plugged in the ASUS P5K, hits the same >> hard freeze (I actually moved the hard drive and the video card from >> that Intel 945PRM to the ASUS P5K). >> >> This ASUS board has two PCI-E alots, so I tried a different slot, >> no success. As another exercise, I forced a separate IRQ to the video >> card using "hw.pci0.2.0.INTA.irq=3D3" loader tunable (based on the >> $PIR table). With this separate irq, still no luck, not sure if I should >> try it at all, since the card gets an MSI any way. >> >> I also tried a trick with forcing the libthr.so.3 linking into the Xorg >> binary, discussed a year ago at: >> >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-x11/2010-February/009362.htm= l >> >> I built the xorg-server with the HAL support, no luck. >> >> As a side note, each test of the Xorg was done on a newly started-up >> system, >> that is no previous "successful" X session took place. >> >> Since no Xorg.log.0 in such cases was normally available, I have collect= ed >> output from /var/log/messages. Because of the "hw.dri.0.debug: 1", the >> output is quite huge, here are a couple of cases: >> >> >> http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/19= 60.tgz >> >> http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/19= 91.tgz >> >> http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/32= 38.tgz >> >> http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/32= 39.tgz >> >> http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/32= 49.tgz >> >> Additional info: >> >> % devinfo -rv: >> >> http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/de= vinfo-rv.tgz >> >> % pciconf -lvc >> >> http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/pc= iconf-lvc.tgz >> >> The output of dmesg: >> >> http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/dm= esg.tgz >> >> The Xorg configuration: >> >> http://sites.google.com/site/markiyankushnir/radeon-dri-freebsd-files/xo= rg.conf.tgz >> >> I am aware that some video card + motherboard ensembles have issues >> like this one, so I am curious if anyone could suggest a hint. >> >> Thanks, >> Markiyan. >> > > > There is the following list : > > http://www.asus.com/websites/global/aboutasus/OS/Linux.pdf > > The mother board P5K Deluxe does not appear in that list . It means that = it > is not tested and listed for Linux ( which is an indicator about usabilit= y > by Unix like operating systems ) . > > > Also there is no any such name among =A8All products=A8 list about Main = boards > : > > > http://www.asus.com/AllProducts.aspx?PG_ID=3DmKyCKlQ4oSEtSu5m > > > The following board ( if your board is exactly that one ) > P5K Deluxe/WiFi-AP( exact match of names is very important ) is for only = XP > and Vista : > > http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=3D0e9NyGEDLjtBRtyB > > You are right, the board is P5K Deluxe/WiFi-AP. I have updated the subject with the full name. > If name of your board is exactly > > P5K Deluxe > these are different from each other ( in the sense that , if one is worki= ng > with a Unix-like operating system , it does not make a guaranty that the > other will work ( Please see the above Linux.pdf list and products in All > Products list for similar sounding names )) . > > > It could not be possible to see your dmesg because access to > sites.google.com is prohibited in Turkey . > Sorry, didn't know of it. I am attaching dmesg, and others with this mail. > > To test your main board , you may install one of the Linux ( Asus is usi= ng > Ubuntu , RedHat , SuSe , Fedora ) distributions . If it works well , this > may mean that FreeBSD > related driver(s) has(have) problems . > > I bought this board from my friend. He was successfully running Linux on it, including Xorg + DRI. So looks like it's an issue with the FreeBSD handling this board? I have just got an idea to try an NVIDIA card with this motherboard. Will let you know if it works. > My expectation is that FreeBSD or any Linux will NOT work satisfactorily = on > that board > because it is mainly produced for Windows means some circuits are not > suitable for Unix-like operating systems . It may work for a while but it= is > very likely that , at some point it will crash ( from my personal experie= nce > from another board ). > > I also have the same feeling, but cannot certainly tell. I don't know which details to give to help fix it. From the message logs (all they are kernel-side) it's clear that some initial step went OK, and in all cases the last message before the hanging is [drm:pid1960:drm_ioctl] pid=3D1960, cmd=3D0x800c6459, nr=3D0x59, dev 0x86f0a880, auth=3D1 The ioctl number (0x59, vendor specific) is defined as DRM_RADEON_SETPARAM in the xorg ati driver's radeon_drm.h. This ioctl is called in several places to set GART parameters, tiling, etc... in the driver code. Looks like an attempt to set some video card parameter makes the system freeze. I don't know which point is it in the overall initialization path. I think I could trace it, if needed. > It is not clear from you message that whether FreeBSD is installed in tha= t > board , or an installed hard disk in another board is moved to that board= . > If previously installed hard disk moved without new install in the new ma= in > board ( I think , this is not the case ), it will surely not work . > > Here I am not so sure on this point, since I widely use this approach. I have a home file server, which runs OK both on a removable system drive, which I prepared on a different system, or, if needed, it runs on a network-mounted system drive, that is completely without its own system drive. In the case being discussed here, only couple of things is needed: adjust the names of FreeBSD slices in the /etc/fstab file, unless they were previously labeled with glabel, and "position independent" labels are used; names of network interfaces in the /etc/rc.conf[.local] -- all this is pretty obvious in FreeBSD. Before posting to the list, I also made a clean install on the system without any hardware manipulation, and ran several attempts, so I am pretty sure, the drive should not be an issue here. > ( If the above links do not work , please access directly to Asus site an= d > follow links in their pages . ) > > Thank you for your suggestion, I will explore the possibility to try different motherboard (and different video card). I will also think of finding a way to fix the problem on the P5K Deluxe/WiFi-AP. I am also considering to post to freebsd-hardware@ and freebsd-drivers@ ... > Thank you very much . > > Mehmet Erol Sanliturk > --00032555f11a21e08604991931cb-- From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 13:23:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E5EB106564A for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 13:23:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: from uriah.heep.sax.de (uriah.heep.sax.de [213.240.137.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB4E68FC16 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 13:23:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by uriah.heep.sax.de (Postfix, from userid 107) id 29F261C; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:23:02 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:23:02 +0100 From: Joerg Wunsch To: Ingvar Harjaks Message-ID: <20110105132302.GG1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> References: <20110105091240.GF1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <20110105082509.GA57232@somecodehere.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110105082509.GA57232@somecodehere.com> X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-GPG-Fingerprint: 5E84 F980 C3CA FD4B B584 1070 F48C A81B 69A8 5873 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xf86-video-intel upgrade, anyone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Joerg Wunsch List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 13:23:05 -0000 As Ingvar Harjaks wrote: > Which chipset? I have troubles figuring out what all the different names actually stand for ... If I figured it out correctly, it's either G45 or GMA X4500. > I guess it probably needs GEM support to work. > Currenty there's no support for it on FreeBSD. OK, that would mean to return the laptop then. I don't want to start maintaining a different OS just for that. Does perhaps anyone have another recommendation for a stat-of-the-art Dell notebook that works well with FreeBSD (at least from the X11 perspective)? That way, we could perhaps have it replaced at the dealer, rather than a complete return. -- cheers, J"org .-.-. --... ...-- -.. . DL8DTL http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 13:23:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914B810656C6 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 13:23:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ingvar@somecodehere.com) Received: from somecodehere.com (somecodehere.com [195.250.189.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 038C38FC1C for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 13:23:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.somecodehere.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by somecodehere.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p058PAqb057281; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:25:10 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ingvar@somecodehere.com) Received: (from ingvar@localhost) by www.somecodehere.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p058P96X057280; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:25:09 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ingvar) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:25:09 +0200 From: Ingvar Harjaks To: Joerg Wunsch Message-ID: <20110105082509.GA57232@somecodehere.com> References: <20110105091240.GF1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110105091240.GF1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xf86-video-intel upgrade, anyone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 13:23:13 -0000 On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 10:12:40AM +0100, Joerg Wunsch wrote: > Hello, > > my wife bought a new laptop as here old one is breaking into pieces. > It's a Dell laptop using a graphics device that is intetgrated into > the CPU package (PCI ID 0x0046/0x8086). Some investigation reveals > that X.org's Intel driver branch 2.8 appears to offer support for > this, while the FreeBSD port is still at 2.7.1. I tried to do a > "quick upgrade" of the port locally, but cannot get it to either patch > (several patches fail to apply), or after removing all patches, to > compile. > > Before I start a hunk-to-hunk analysis of the existing patches to see > what's needed and what has to be removed (because it's already part of > the X.org sources), did anyone already do this? > > The issue is moderately urgent, because if I cannot get X.org to run > on the laptop, we have to return it to the seller within a couple of > weeks. > -- > cheers, J"org .-.-. --... ...-- -.. . DL8DTL > > http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ NIC: JW11-RIPE > Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) Which chipset? I guess it probably needs GEM support to work. Currenty there's no support for it on FreeBSD. Nice summary about GEM here: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=25122+0+archive/2010/freebsd-x11/20101031.freebsd-x11 Ingvar From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 13:43:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A231065670 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 13:43:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zeus@relay.ibs.dn.ua) Received: from relay.ibs.dn.ua (relay.ibs.dn.ua [91.216.196.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0383D8FC13 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 13:43:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay.ibs.dn.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.ibs.dn.ua with ESMTP id p05DhCxY032972 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 15:43:12 +0200 (EET) Received: (from zeus@localhost) by relay.ibs.dn.ua (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p05DhC1A032971 for freebsd-x11@freebsd.org; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 15:43:12 +0200 (EET) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 15:43:12 +0200 From: Zeus V Panchenko To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110105134312.GC89542@relay.ibs.dn.ua> References: <20110105091240.GF1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <20110105082509.GA57232@somecodehere.com> <20110105132302.GG1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110105132302.GG1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE X-Editor: GNU Emacs 23.2.1 Subject: Re: xf86-video-intel upgrade, anyone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: zeus@ibs.dn.ua List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 13:43:15 -0000 Joerg Wunsch (j@uriah.heep.sax.de) [11.01.05 15:23] wrote: > Does perhaps anyone have another recommendation for a stat-of-the-art > Dell notebook that works well with FreeBSD (at least from the X11 > perspective)? That way, we could perhaps have it replaced at the > dealer, rather than a complete return. > may be it's stupid but what about vesa driver? should work i faced the same problem about one year with asus eeepc 1001p ... and was forced to install there slackware (since it is much like freebsd) ... and now waiting for native freebsd support to change the os :) it's sad to know the issue is not changed :( -- Zeus V. Panchenko IT Dpt., IBS ltd GMT+2 (EET) From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 15:01:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F029C106566B for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 15:01:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pldrouin@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f68.google.com (mail-bw0-f68.google.com [209.85.214.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB208FC0C for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 15:01:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so6355227bwz.7 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 07:01:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MHRiuJbdi8YuUk2eQ/isNJoMUpLetX7Hc56skklLnZw=; b=xdKFAuFdQs7yrRZKsti8fk9sopO/lo7jBhBDw/gbyLIgEqWa9SE7W4ISl/XNQEKKDZ Abh490UOdLhctIYKo56BE8xDsgfFf+Sfl5BIC3YKdyzYlsBrg/KKTJT2oQkqF4O0O3Wr isn5Cdu0pk6NREead3Dojl7eHGZHYLWAJAQ7Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Ve6iDM0SXHZynGvI/SZdPukwLMGXp4sLrIn6NXxbf1qofQXa7GP22h1/zNd2tkO3r+ fblGHi7Vkj7wtCRqULRnT7jbbeDdFNeWlIcGr5FGvA+yK39iF63kuNC9lkopZ06I9K2f f2VuHe73Ba1YpdZl7bga+CG44W/7wQUaDNHgc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.99.145 with SMTP id u17mr17544531bkn.1.1294237795923; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 06:29:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.118.194 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 06:29:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110105132302.GG1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> References: <20110105091240.GF1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <20110105082509.GA57232@somecodehere.com> <20110105132302.GG1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 09:29:55 -0500 Message-ID: From: Pierre-Luc Drouin To: Joerg Wunsch , freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: xf86-video-intel upgrade, anyone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:01:13 -0000 I have been told on another thread that FreeBSD does not support any recent laptop. NVidia switchable graphics is not supported, any recent ATI video cards are not supported and any graphic card that comes with i-series CPUs are not supported either. So we are basically in big trouble until this get fixed (hopefully this will happen very very soon, but I have no clue). The only solution right now is to use the Vesa driver, but this is pretty useless to get a new laptop and not being able to use its GPU... On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Joerg Wunsch wrote: > As Ingvar Harjaks wrote: > > > Which chipset? > > I have troubles figuring out what all the different names actually > stand for ... If I figured it out correctly, it's either G45 or > GMA X4500. > > > I guess it probably needs GEM support to work. > > Currenty there's no support for it on FreeBSD. > > OK, that would mean to return the laptop then. I don't want to start > maintaining a different OS just for that. > > Does perhaps anyone have another recommendation for a stat-of-the-art > Dell notebook that works well with FreeBSD (at least from the X11 > perspective)? That way, we could perhaps have it replaced at the > dealer, rather than a complete return. > > -- > cheers, J"org .-.-. --... ...-- -.. . DL8DTL > > http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ NIC: JW11-RIPE > Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-x11@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-x11 > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-x11-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 16:12:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F08F01065670 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 16:12:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ingvar@somecodehere.com) Received: from somecodehere.com (somecodehere.com [195.250.189.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AFD38FC25 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 16:12:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.somecodehere.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by somecodehere.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p05BWqwp058145; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 13:32:52 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ingvar@somecodehere.com) Received: (from ingvar@localhost) by www.somecodehere.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p05BWqI2058144; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 13:32:52 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ingvar) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 13:32:52 +0200 From: Ingvar Harjaks To: Joerg Wunsch Message-ID: <20110105113252.GA58069@somecodehere.com> References: <20110105091240.GF1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <20110105082509.GA57232@somecodehere.com> <20110105132302.GG1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110105132302.GG1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xf86-video-intel upgrade, anyone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:12:19 -0000 On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 02:23:02PM +0100, Joerg Wunsch wrote: > As Ingvar Harjaks wrote: > > > Which chipset? > > I have troubles figuring out what all the different names actually > stand for ... If I figured it out correctly, it's either G45 or > GMA X4500. > > > I guess it probably needs GEM support to work. > > Currenty there's no support for it on FreeBSD. > > OK, that would mean to return the laptop then. I don't want to start > maintaining a different OS just for that. > > Does perhaps anyone have another recommendation for a stat-of-the-art > Dell notebook that works well with FreeBSD (at least from the X11 > perspective)? That way, we could perhaps have it replaced at the > dealer, rather than a complete return. > Check the release notes and man pages for new hardware before buying it. Radeon looks the most supported driver on FreeBSD. Ingvar From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 16:24:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9997C106566C for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 16:24:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554688FC15 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 16:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p05FwrBJ017773; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 08:58:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p05FwrE4017770; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 08:58:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 08:58:53 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Pierre-Luc Drouin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20110105091240.GF1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <20110105082509.GA57232@somecodehere.com> <20110105132302.GG1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 05 Jan 2011 08:58:53 -0700 (MST) Cc: Joerg Wunsch , freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xf86-video-intel upgrade, anyone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:24:10 -0000 On Wed, 5 Jan 2011, Pierre-Luc Drouin wrote: > I have been told on another thread that FreeBSD does not support any recent > laptop. NVidia switchable graphics is not supported, any recent ATI video > cards are not supported and any graphic card that comes with i-series CPUs > are not supported either. "Recent" is relative. Radeon 4xxx-series graphics should work, 5xxx-series should be better than vesa. A dive into the horrible Dell web site seems to indicate a Vostro 1088 has a Radeon 4530. Web searching indicates some of the Inspirons with i3 processors can be had with Radeon 4xxx-series graphics. Many Dells have nVidia, but I have not paid attention to which of those work and which do not. From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 17:27:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D714F106564A for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:27:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@usermode.org) Received: from vps.hungerhost.com (vps.hungerhost.com [216.38.53.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75E48FC19 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:27:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from netblock-66-245-217-85.dslextreme.com ([66.245.217.85] helo=[192.168.1.5]) by vps.hungerhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PaX8Z-0004lz-SD for freebsd-x11@freebsd.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:27:04 -0500 Message-ID: <4D24A9E6.6050105@usermode.org> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 09:27:02 -0800 From: David Johnson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101209 Fedora/3.1.7-0.35.b3pre.fc14 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org References: <20110105091240.GF1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <20110105082509.GA57232@somecodehere.com> <20110105132302.GG1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.hungerhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - usermode.org Subject: Re: xf86-video-intel upgrade, anyone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 17:27:04 -0000 On 01/05/2011 06:29 AM, Pierre-Luc Drouin wrote: > I have been told on another thread that FreeBSD does not support any recent > laptop. NVidia switchable graphics is not supported, any recent ATI video > cards are not supported and any graphic card that comes with i-series CPUs > are not supported either. So we are basically in big trouble until this get > fixed (hopefully this will happen very very soon, but I have no clue). The > only solution right now is to use the Vesa driver, but this is pretty > useless to get a new laptop and not being able to use its GPU... This is nothing new. Laptops tend to use bleeding edge hardware and FreeBSD doesn't support bleeding edge very well. We are constantly playing catchup. It's not that we don't support the hardware, it's that the hardware manufacturers do not support FreeBSD, or even Open Source for that matter. Linux does not have this problem to the same degree since there are current proprietary drivers to fall back on. Please don't blame FreeBSD for this, blame the hardware manufacturers. -- David Johnson From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 17:53:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0527D1065672 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:53:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C00898FC19 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:53:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb26 with SMTP id 26so14754703iyb.13 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 09:53:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=7MsHhY3sucYVBc0srvp25cCVG4LVQgerc0/8pMTRIeA=; b=sfkLUKKsR3RMoZdQLr+0L4+roECHRpriPMxky5/kt9Zj7CMjq1vRk/Yk6pfVtgQfro I2E0YoF/vjYyTkKqRUFj90qCFtxlli3Oa+FCI5X9OWhRaSHf39CUD101050EG4t/6ed/ 7sHCU8pGiDFhZdWKJs0ASnz7WfhUlvaj4I72M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=fIWU+73UBXxl+MqFE7K9Wqd6ZA5fBuPF86dGLbEQWnRGk0+BPrhrmxrj69kfCZWH9l o2+c4jqLsj1+tYxiH0pagjlHkqGBUqGPpaQgw7P4387EQT1X0REnFB4J11/sx/deVHba raMDqZ5CmxpNMj4Yo4TDF3ISd4er6JZcrOExA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.59.197 with SMTP id m5mr23521616ibh.25.1294248536000; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 09:28:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.79.197 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 09:28:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110105091240.GF1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> References: <20110105091240.GF1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 12:28:55 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Joerg Wunsch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xf86-video-intel upgrade, anyone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 17:53:59 -0000 On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:12 AM, Joerg Wunsch wrote: > Hello, > > my wife bought a new laptop as here old one is breaking into pieces. > It's a Dell laptop using a graphics device that is intetgrated into > the CPU package (PCI ID 0x0046/0x8086). Some investigation reveals > that X.org's Intel driver branch 2.8 appears to offer support for > this, while the FreeBSD port is still at 2.7.1. I tried to do a > "quick upgrade" of the port locally, but cannot get it to either patch > (several patches fail to apply), or after removing all patches, to > compile. > > Before I start a hunk-to-hunk analysis of the existing patches to see > what's needed and what has to be removed (because it's already part of > the X.org sources), did anyone already do this? > > The issue is moderately urgent, because if I cannot get X.org to run > on the laptop, we have to return it to the seller within a couple of > weeks. > -- > cheers, J"org If you write exact name of your CPU such as ones specified on pages http://www.intel.com/products/processor/corei7ee/mobile/index.htm http://www.intel.com/products/processor/corei7/mobile/index.htm http://www.intel.com/products/processor/corei5/mobile/index.htm http://www.intel.com/products/processor/corei3/mobile/index.htm These processors have integrated graphics . Then , it will be possible that the persons knowing these processors and their integrated graphics chips , will be able to give satisfactory answers to your questions . Also exact model name of laptop will be useful . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 19:06:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 888EB1065696 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 19:06:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: from uriah.heep.sax.de (uriah.heep.sax.de [213.240.137.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 114B58FC0C for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 19:06:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by uriah.heep.sax.de (Postfix, from userid 107) id 984F01F; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:06:14 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:06:14 +0100 From: Joerg Wunsch To: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Message-ID: <20110105190614.GJ1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> References: <20110105091240.GF1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-GPG-Fingerprint: 5E84 F980 C3CA FD4B B584 1070 F48C A81B 69A8 5873 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xf86-video-intel upgrade, anyone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Joerg Wunsch List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 19:06:18 -0000 As Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > If you write exact name of your CPU such as ones specified on pages > > http://www.intel.com/products/processor/corei7ee/mobile/index.htm > http://www.intel.com/products/processor/corei7/mobile/index.htm > http://www.intel.com/products/processor/corei5/mobile/index.htm > http://www.intel.com/products/processor/corei3/mobile/index.htm The laptop is labelled "Core i5", and the boot messages say: CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU M 460 @ 2.53GHz (2537.13-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x20655 Stepping = 5 Features=0xbfebfbff Features2=0x9ae3bd,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,POPCNT> AMD Features=0x28100000 AMD Features2=0x1 TSC: P-state invariant The link you gave mentions "2nd generation", and availability as of 02-2011, so I looked around a bit, and found: http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?familyID=43483&MarketSegment=MBL So I think it's an i5-460M. (If anyone wants the full boot messages, I can of course sent those.) > Also exact model name of laptop will be useful . When I wrote the first message, I haven't been at home so I could not lookup the exact model. Now, back home, I can. It's a DELL Vostro 3700. Googling for it reveals that apparently, some of those are sold with a "hybrid graphics" where the CPU-internal graphics is accompanied by another nVidia graphics board, but our model doesn't appear to feature this. The pciconf -lv entry of the VGA is: vgapci0@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x030000 card=0x04421028 chip=0x00468086 rev=0x18 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' class = display subclass = VGA I see a mention of this PCI ID in the X.org driver code starting with the Intel video driver version 2.8: (src/common.h) #ifndef PCI_CHIP_IGDNG_M_G #define PCI_CHIP_IGDNG_M_G 0x0046 #define PCI_CHIP_IGDNG_M_G_BRIDGE 0x0044 #endif (And it's not only these #defines, they are actually used in the code then.) That's why I assumed it would perhaps be possible to tweak that 2.8 driver (even though I know it's still far behind the current X.org version) to compile. The VESA driver doesn't start up because it cannot find any usable mode. That's probably due to the widescreen mode this display has (1600 x 900 pixels). Maybe I could generate a modeline for that to make it work as a start, to bridge the time until the more recent X.org support is available in FreeBSD. However, for obvious reasons, I'd only do that as a stop-gap measure, if it's clear that it will eventually be supported in the forseeable future. (3D acceleration support is not crucial for us, it's basically an office machine, but 2D is.) Thanks for all the help and ideas so far! -- cheers, J"org .-.-. --... ...-- -.. . DL8DTL http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 19:28:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DCB1065696 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 19:28:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: from uriah.heep.sax.de (uriah.heep.sax.de [213.240.137.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1648FC16 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 19:28:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by uriah.heep.sax.de (Postfix, from userid 107) id 0B2DA1C; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:28:26 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:28:26 +0100 From: Joerg Wunsch To: Ingvar Harjaks Message-ID: <20110105192826.GL1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> References: <20110105091240.GF1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <20110105082509.GA57232@somecodehere.com> <20110105132302.GG1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <20110105113252.GA58069@somecodehere.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110105113252.GA58069@somecodehere.com> X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-GPG-Fingerprint: 5E84 F980 C3CA FD4B B584 1070 F48C A81B 69A8 5873 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xf86-video-intel upgrade, anyone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Joerg Wunsch List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 19:28:28 -0000 As Ingvar Harjaks wrote: > Check the release notes and man pages for new hardware before buying > it. Well, it's been a kind of "last minute buy", to save some taxes by buying it in the old financial year still. Otherwise, I'd have researched a little more beforehand. > Radeon looks the most supported driver on FreeBSD. OK, in case we have to return the current device, I'll keep an eye on that. -- cheers, J"org .-.-. --... ...-- -.. . DL8DTL http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 20:19:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71AA610656B7 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:19:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343028FC14 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:19:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so15902125iwn.13 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:19:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=k3XNQO3t3OIc6oJcDM9oZXXqEePJBq814x4RYj6Klco=; b=aKuSRUIfQ2Smdnac6YhFicEwcouQTU8jchxMGuTmnQI6Gc1ysxFM6yN0SBS/+zPHbJ L/V6aIJquQEJvcSWVKSHrwC3TmdiJIUl+U2HdlSdqBDcYFjqbP3L4ZS1QDJsWeZ4d1Rx jpLlJuWESV63pX5ShZgSjEItZIHSAp73ecLw0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=l4DScm7RBrbSMxGlRJg5lbke3X2hQbmBiNoAhHpBw0/aqRUpUPDNjbDLbFInfHLsuB BgHq4kNx/X3LR6eC6QntNJ8uC9W0sYuxHNjLSPTq1mYxp70U5aLHpOUhr+4MbyFFB1xP s7sls2S8f/a8Evj+hJFIOETx7DKoIwgMb7SLE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.59.197 with SMTP id m5mr23709179ibh.25.1294258745051; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:19:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.79.197 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 12:19:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110105190614.GJ1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> References: <20110105091240.GF1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <20110105190614.GJ1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 15:19:05 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Joerg Wunsch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xf86-video-intel upgrade, anyone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:19:07 -0000 On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Joerg Wunsch wrote: > As Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > > If you write exact name of your CPU such as ones specified on pages > > > > http://www.intel.com/products/processor/corei7ee/mobile/index.htm > > http://www.intel.com/products/processor/corei7/mobile/index.htm > > http://www.intel.com/products/processor/corei5/mobile/index.htm > > http://www.intel.com/products/processor/corei3/mobile/index.htm > > The laptop is labelled "Core i5", and the boot messages say: > > CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU M 460 @ 2.53GHz (2537.13-MHz 686-class > CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x20655 Stepping = 5 > > Features=0xbfebfbff > > Features2=0x9ae3bd,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,POPCNT> > AMD Features=0x28100000 > AMD Features2=0x1 > TSC: P-state invariant > > The link you gave mentions "2nd generation", and availability as of > 02-2011, so I looked around a bit, and found: > > > http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?familyID=43483&MarketSegment=MBL > > So I think it's an i5-460M. > > (If anyone wants the full boot messages, I can of course sent those.) > > > Also exact model name of laptop will be useful . > > When I wrote the first message, I haven't been at home so I could not > lookup the exact model. Now, back home, I can. It's a DELL Vostro > 3700. Googling for it reveals that apparently, some of those are sold > with a "hybrid graphics" where the CPU-internal graphics is > accompanied by another nVidia graphics board, but our model doesn't > appear to feature this. > > The pciconf -lv entry of the VGA is: > > vgapci0@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x030000 card=0x04421028 chip=0x00468086 > rev=0x18 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > class = display > subclass = VGA > > I see a mention of this PCI ID in the X.org driver code starting with > the Intel video driver version 2.8: > > (src/common.h) > > #ifndef PCI_CHIP_IGDNG_M_G > #define PCI_CHIP_IGDNG_M_G 0x0046 > #define PCI_CHIP_IGDNG_M_G_BRIDGE 0x0044 > #endif > > (And it's not only these #defines, they are actually used in the code > then.) > > That's why I assumed it would perhaps be possible to tweak that 2.8 > driver (even though I know it's still far behind the current X.org > version) to compile. > > The VESA driver doesn't start up because it cannot find any usable > mode. That's probably due to the widescreen mode this display has > (1600 x 900 pixels). Maybe I could generate a modeline for that to > make it work as a start, to bridge the time until the more recent > X.org support is available in FreeBSD. However, for obvious reasons, > I'd only do that as a stop-gap measure, if it's clear that it will > eventually be supported in the forseeable future. (3D acceleration > support is not crucial for us, it's basically an office machine, but > 2D is.) > > Thanks for all the help and ideas so far! > -- > cheers, J"org > Asus in the following page is listing main board names which they are usable by some ( Fedora , OpenSuse , RedHat , Ubuntu ) Linux distributions : http://www.asus.com/websites/global/aboutasus/OS/Linux.pdf Boards , for example , P7H55D-M EVO http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=LZtx6p7WKTP77rsk&templete=2 P7H55D-M PRO http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=qWmZUAdNKeozTOXb&templete=2 P7H55-Mhttp://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=LMLbQEr6R3s5yCLg&templete=2 are using graphics integrated CPUs . This means that , if you install a suitable Linux , its name selected from the above Linux.pdf , you may be able to use a graphical environment for a while . Later on , when you verify that FreeBSD may use your current hardware , you may switch to it . KDE or GNOME environments are similar in FreeBSD and Linux . If it is suitable for you , you may create a partition about FreeBSD ( up to now never I did it , I do not know how can it be done ) and , by using information from Linux drivers , you may develop a working FreeBSD driver set . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 20:52:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01B9106566C for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:52:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: from uriah.heep.sax.de (uriah.heep.sax.de [213.240.137.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D11238FC18 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:52:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by uriah.heep.sax.de (Postfix, from userid 107) id 9E9DA1F; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 21:51:54 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 21:51:54 +0100 From: Joerg Wunsch To: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Message-ID: <20110105205154.GM1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> References: <20110105091240.GF1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <20110105190614.GJ1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-GPG-Fingerprint: 5E84 F980 C3CA FD4B B584 1070 F48C A81B 69A8 5873 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xf86-video-intel upgrade, anyone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Joerg Wunsch List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:52:39 -0000 As Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > This means that , if you install a suitable Linux , its name > selected from the above Linux.pdf , you may be able to use a > graphical environment for a while . Well, that might be used for some development work, but when the laptop goes into productional work for my wife, it has to run FreeBSD as otherwise, I'd have to learn all the maintenance stuff anew, have to find where I get all the packages she needs, have to learn how to integrate it into my site backup, etc. pp. By staying with FreeBSD, however I could easily migrate her current environment without much hassle. > KDE or GNOME environments are similar in FreeBSD and > Linux . KDE or Gnome are not even used here (she uses plain fvwm, believe it or not ;-). It's all the other stuff around, each and every of the current applications. > If it is suitable for you , you may create a partition about FreeBSD > ( up to now never I did it , I do not know how can it be done ) and > , by using information from Linux drivers , you may develop a > working FreeBSD driver set . The question is how much work this would likely going to be. If nobody even started, and I have to start from scratch developing a kernel driver, I'm afraid this is far beyond the resources I could spend into this. Spending all my sparetime for a couple of weeks is OK, spending half a year isn't. How would I know whether the Intel driver version 2.8 requires GEM support or not? The only mention I can find in the NEWS file for GEM is: Some of the major fixes in this snapshot include: ... * Fix X server failure when running old (non-GEM) kernel That would suggest to me this version can work without GEM support. -- cheers, J"org .-.-. --... ...-- -.. . DL8DTL http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 21:01:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15DE106566B for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 21:01:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from me@janh.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-hamburg.de (mailhost.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.32.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFEF8FC13 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 21:01:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.uni-hamburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5720D90100; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 21:43:59 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by University of Hamburg (RRZ/mailhost) Received: from mailhost.uni-hamburg.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailhost.uni-hamburg.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id G8Cv3FxnIWX2; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 21:43:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from pc911.math.uni-hamburg.de (pc911.math.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.220.198]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: fmjv004) by mailhost.uni-hamburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 26E5990017; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 21:43:59 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D24D817.9050009@janh.de> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 21:44:07 +0100 From: Jan Henrik Sylvester User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101219 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pierre-Luc Drouin References: <20110105091240.GF1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <20110105082509.GA57232@somecodehere.com> <20110105132302.GG1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: x11-list freebsd Subject: Re: Re: xf86-video-intel upgrade, anyone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 21:01:43 -0000 On 01/-10/-28163 20:59, Pierre-Luc Drouin wrote: > I have been told on another thread that FreeBSD does not support any recent > laptop. NVidia switchable graphics is not supported, any recent ATI video > cards are not supported and any graphic card that comes with i-series CPUs > are not supported either. So we are basically in big trouble until this get > fixed (hopefully this will happen very very soon, but I have no clue). The > only solution right now is to use the Vesa driver, but this is pretty > useless to get a new laptop and not being able to use its GPU... That is not true. I have FreeBSD running on a Lenovo Thinkpad T510 with Nvidia graphics (8.2-RC1/amd64). Most of it works. Switchable graphics is of course not working at all, same goes for the Intel processor graphics alone with non-vesa, but setting the graphics in BIOS to Nvidia only, it runs very well with the proprietary Nvidia driver. For a few month (since Nvidia 256.53), graphics works even after resuming from suspend. I dislike the "proprietary" on principle and the need for the weird nvidia-settings in particular, but it works. The rest of this mail is unrelated to graphics in case anyone is interested in that particular notebook. Except for Firewire, which prints out a string of errors about the hardware physically disappearing, all the hardware seems to work after resume from suspend -- I have never had that with FreeBSD before. In contrast to my earlier reports on freebsd-mobile, besides supend/resume the build-in microphone is now working, too, if I stick to the build-in speakers at the same time (more complex HDA setups probably would take me some time). Remaining problems: Sound over DisplayPort still does not work at all, the build-in UMTS (Gobi 2000) does not work due to the firmware loader not being available for FreeBSD, and the build-in SD slot is slower than the one of my Eee PC. For my previous laptops, I have always replaced the build-in wlan with an ath based card. The iwn device of the T510 works better than any other wlan device I have used before (ipw, iwi, wpi, iwn, ral, ath, ural, rum, zyd): It never goes down by itself and is back few seconds after resume from suspend. It took some tweaking in the beginning, but some has become obsolete with 8.1-RELEASE (or 8-STABLE a few weeks after 8.1-RELEASE). The fan is quiet enough for me on idle and still acceptable on high graphics+CPU load. (This is a huge contrast to a consumer line Dell notebook I tried a little over a year ago, which was much louder on idle than the Thinkpad on high load on FreeBSD, while the idle state was better on Windows: Most likely broken ACPI by Dell.) Of course, due to not being able to switch to the Intel graphics, some hardware drawing more power than necessary unused with just the module loaded for convenience, FreeBSD 8 not having a "tickless" kernel, and so on, the battery does not last as long as it would be possible from the hardware alone. With a nine cells battery, it is long enough for my needs. Overall, this recent laptop is the best FreeBSD on Laptop experience I have had so far (compared to a 2003 Acer, 2007 Lenovo, 2008 Asus Netbook, and the late 2009 Dell that I returned due to the noise). Unrelated to FreeBSD: The bright, non-glare, 1920x1080 display is also great and I am slowly getting used to the 16x9 aspect ratio. The display had to be repaired once, though, and the mainboard died for an earlier T510 -- overall, 5 of about 30 T410/T510/X201(T) we bought here in 2010 already had to be repaired in some way, which is supposed to be an unusual high rate for Lenovo according to the retailer. Cheers, Jan Henrik From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 21:02:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11CA3106566C for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 21:02:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pldrouin@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f68.google.com (mail-bw0-f68.google.com [209.85.214.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 846EE8FC18 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 21:02:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so6452283bwz.7 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 13:02:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=dLYeUFu8Sv0Dw/4W7iac9gnOjyUKQXV4X15ZXlzNB3g=; b=eLJjfyq8A3KjA+AkH91vUyM3fVU5iondk2d7CRCpyQRaWb98xZuBaULAsfjPP447c6 VwlgX1U9bzaSeOxWoxGvkdEpz9i4KON233S4Bcgr4+kCv9VSK9+hdzVLdR2SfF3dysb6 xJnfod0jN0YGQUSGJzKc7scfgEN8CXVa9GHBA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Okm5mbgk/fA02Okko9D467YnS4UztDCYOkkj6sT+QVqntk+DMoPv88pdD6X6hdQeUk OZEdp4tvP19LDQ3Ef2/5huUn7dYc1JlmwFFi9a8EGzHJpBNBC3mvQgmKnbcXOhQAYZlx aLghR9TaCFU/DXL+s0RgFjjtmzSaFm3klj7zQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.148.74 with SMTP id o10mr7374230bkv.109.1294261360113; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 13:02:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.118.194 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 13:02:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D24D817.9050009@janh.de> References: <20110105091240.GF1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <20110105082509.GA57232@somecodehere.com> <20110105132302.GG1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <4D24D817.9050009@janh.de> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 16:02:40 -0500 Message-ID: From: Pierre-Luc Drouin To: Jan Henrik Sylvester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: x11-list freebsd Subject: Re: Re: xf86-video-intel upgrade, anyone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 21:02:42 -0000 Hi, On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Jan Henrik Sylvester wrote: > On 01/-10/-28163 20:59, Pierre-Luc Drouin wrote: > >> I have been told on another thread that FreeBSD does not support any >> recent >> laptop. NVidia switchable graphics is not supported, any recent ATI video >> cards are not supported and any graphic card that comes with i-series CPUs >> are not supported either. So we are basically in big trouble until this >> get >> fixed (hopefully this will happen very very soon, but I have no clue). The >> only solution right now is to use the Vesa driver, but this is pretty >> useless to get a new laptop and not being able to use its GPU... >> > > That is not true. I have FreeBSD running on a Lenovo Thinkpad T510 with > Nvidia graphics (8.2-RC1/amd64). Most of it works. > > Switchable graphics is of course not working at all, same goes for the > Intel processor graphics alone with non-vesa, but setting the graphics in > BIOS to Nvidia only, it runs very well with the proprietary Nvidia driver. > For a few month (since Nvidia 256.53), graphics works even after resuming > from suspend. I dislike the "proprietary" on principle and the need for the > weird nvidia-settings in particular, but it works. > > The rest of this mail is unrelated to graphics in case anyone is interested > in that particular notebook. > > Except for Firewire, which prints out a string of errors about the hardware > physically disappearing, all the hardware seems to work after resume from > suspend -- I have never had that with FreeBSD before. > > In contrast to my earlier reports on freebsd-mobile, besides supend/resume > the build-in microphone is now working, too, if I stick to the build-in > speakers at the same time (more complex HDA setups probably would take me > some time). Remaining problems: Sound over DisplayPort still does not work > at all, the build-in UMTS (Gobi 2000) does not work due to the firmware > loader not being available for FreeBSD, and the build-in SD slot is slower > than the one of my Eee PC. > > For my previous laptops, I have always replaced the build-in wlan with an > ath based card. The iwn device of the T510 works better than any other wlan > device I have used before (ipw, iwi, wpi, iwn, ral, ath, ural, rum, zyd): It > never goes down by itself and is back few seconds after resume from suspend. > > It took some tweaking in the beginning, but some has become obsolete with > 8.1-RELEASE (or 8-STABLE a few weeks after 8.1-RELEASE). > > The fan is quiet enough for me on idle and still acceptable on high > graphics+CPU load. (This is a huge contrast to a consumer line Dell notebook > I tried a little over a year ago, which was much louder on idle than the > Thinkpad on high load on FreeBSD, while the idle state was better on > Windows: Most likely broken ACPI by Dell.) > > Of course, due to not being able to switch to the Intel graphics, some > hardware drawing more power than necessary unused with just the module > loaded for convenience, FreeBSD 8 not having a "tickless" kernel, and so on, > the battery does not last as long as it would be possible from the hardware > alone. With a nine cells battery, it is long enough for my needs. > > Overall, this recent laptop is the best FreeBSD on Laptop experience I have > had so far (compared to a 2003 Acer, 2007 Lenovo, 2008 Asus Netbook, and the > late 2009 Dell that I returned due to the noise). > > Unrelated to FreeBSD: The bright, non-glare, 1920x1080 display is also > great and I am slowly getting used to the 16x9 aspect ratio. The display had > to be repaired once, though, and the mainboard died for an earlier T510 -- > overall, 5 of about 30 T410/T510/X201(T) we bought here in 2010 already had > to be repaired in some way, which is supposed to be an unusual high rate for > Lenovo according to the retailer. > I would be interested by the T410s, that can be ordered with the Intel Centrino Wireless-N 1000 card and the NVIDIA NVS Optimus Graphics 512MB (I am not sure if it is the same GPU that you have). Assuming for now that the Nvidia GPU is the same, do you think that would be a winning combo (for 3D acceleration and suspend+resume)? Thanks! > > Cheers, > Jan Henrik > From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 21:22:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705EA106566C for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 21:22:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from varga.michal@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B238FC0C for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 21:22:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so8575533bwz.13 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 13:22:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:cc :in-reply-to:references:content-type:organization:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=smO1tav3ULCkzqqhO83NJewkexw9mzb2g4JssF5lkdo=; b=cKkSmOtC/PYhPFYfCAzXY62LPH7QmHiRAH/cGmfm/LNfNbJflzjCqRD09YuDNoEolS ZVjzZdjl3s39aBvp1kFYqbZf4yRP2+F97310S8NYxXFbUAUbqDDQ+iqfQewOLH65X4+V mHs6kowZCdwNczfee8QcZzb+RGkSOnfZQjM5Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:organization :date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=IqU502VEBib//x5vY8LAx0AKAozSBtr8s9zbkXKuPUeXp50/F4YU5+fuatopUOOn8j W8YcAdlfODRVjgO2xBZhH8tAz/x8TZAtacSblnxEZcdeRnNsi3th64cOvYDRKVz5Jb7h RG4a6VC2zVhhzKHUIlk8gS4hRro79IYX6X3pI= Received: by 10.204.62.132 with SMTP id x4mr18042359bkh.30.1294262546127; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 13:22:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.101.2] (254.166.broadband10.iol.cz [90.177.166.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 12sm13048771bki.7.2011.01.05.13.22.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 05 Jan 2011 13:22:25 -0800 (PST) From: Michal Varga To: Pierre-Luc Drouin In-Reply-To: References: <20110105091240.GF1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <20110105082509.GA57232@somecodehere.com> <20110105132302.GG1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <4D24D817.9050009@janh.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Organization: Stonehenge Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 22:22:21 +0100 Message-ID: <1294262541.1493.8.camel@xenon> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jan Henrik Sylvester , x11-list freebsd Subject: Re: Re: xf86-video-intel upgrade, anyone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 21:22:28 -0000 On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 16:02 -0500, Pierre-Luc Drouin wrote: > > I would be interested by the T410s, that can be ordered with the Intel > Centrino Wireless-N 1000 card and the NVIDIA NVS Optimus Graphics 512MB (I > am not sure if it is the same GPU that you have). Assuming for now that the > Nvidia GPU is the same, do you think that would be a winning combo (for 3D > acceleration and suspend+resume)? > For a list of currently supported GPUs, see under "Supported products" tab: http://www.nvidia.com/object/freebsd-x86-260.19.29-driver.html With regards for suspend-resume, FreeBSD won't be a viable alternative for notebooks (or laptops if you wish) until proper S4 support is implemented (that is, like, 15 years overdue): https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=hibernate+freebsd If you prefer working mostly while your adapter is plugged into the wall socket, you ar pretty much ok, but in the other case, you actually might prefer some random flavor of Linux (note that I don't run a single Linux system *AND* I still use FreeBSD on a notebook, just that I'm aware of the downsides and can live with them). m. -- Michal Varga, Stonehenge (Gmail account) From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 21:33:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E4B106566C for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 21:33:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pldrouin@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f68.google.com (mail-bw0-f68.google.com [209.85.214.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0992C8FC16 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 21:33:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so6459620bwz.7 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 13:33:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=MwboQOdx1uYuFqkEBZPNC4b34j09azBtUQhoQBvC1b8=; b=n7TiPW/U1W5DaiA+pl8C5xNq5fdLY3n8ti2FED2FmpbQPAvOwk4ElY6Vfbl94r3T6C QSyJDUfYPhQr8psyT0wzD/xTINFMj6zc1Itf31vbTOA+L965/WtCNwnvQsreGes692xX pP8juTNPoTK47or/X3BZaWLMhUSDXB5qKtheI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=HLmHTeqWpk1TEwAt6m3Q+pB0lrcnBUMlPbDRmadRm4SLrRW8UkWFYPD4s2J+w9gbMc 5zqqOUTVVJnYR9su5GdTQ0Kui7LqOgU9ZEC8fdRV5gcNdk1yY32PJfkZBPPeGdw5ktW9 fSTH7AyO7ZtlhYCzX+byGU+ko/CUSWc5CgwyM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.60.17 with SMTP id n17mr10714978bkh.190.1294263194529; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 13:33:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.118.194 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 13:33:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1294262541.1493.8.camel@xenon> References: <20110105091240.GF1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <20110105082509.GA57232@somecodehere.com> <20110105132302.GG1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <4D24D817.9050009@janh.de> <1294262541.1493.8.camel@xenon> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 16:33:14 -0500 Message-ID: From: Pierre-Luc Drouin To: Michal Varga Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Jan Henrik Sylvester , x11-list freebsd Subject: Re: Re: xf86-video-intel upgrade, anyone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 21:33:17 -0000 On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Michal Varga wrote: > On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 16:02 -0500, Pierre-Luc Drouin wrote: > > > > > I would be interested by the T410s, that can be ordered with the Intel > > Centrino Wireless-N 1000 card and the NVIDIA NVS Optimus Graphics 512MB > (I > > am not sure if it is the same GPU that you have). Assuming for now that > the > > Nvidia GPU is the same, do you think that would be a winning combo (for > 3D > > acceleration and suspend+resume)? > > > For a list of currently supported GPUs, see under "Supported products" > tab: > http://www.nvidia.com/object/freebsd-x86-260.19.29-driver.html > > > After more research I have found that the T410s uses the same as the T510 (NVS3100M). With regards for suspend-resume, FreeBSD won't be a viable alternative > for notebooks (or laptops if you wish) until proper S4 support is > implemented (that is, like, 15 years overdue): > > https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=hibernate+freebsd > > If you prefer working mostly while your adapter is plugged into the wall > socket, you ar pretty much ok, but in the other case, you actually might > prefer some random flavor of Linux (note that I don't run a single Linux > system *AND* I still use FreeBSD on a notebook, just that I'm aware of > the downsides and can live with them). > I don't really need hibernate (i.e. suspend to disk). Suspend to RAM would be sufficient for me. This usually works on FreeBSD for Lenovo laptops, right? Thanks! > > m. > > > -- > Michal Varga, > Stonehenge (Gmail account) > > > From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 21:43:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E668106566C for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 21:43:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from me@janh.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-hamburg.de (mailhost.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.32.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07F038FC08 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 21:43:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.uni-hamburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E5DB90023; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 22:43:20 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by University of Hamburg (RRZ/mailhost) Received: from mailhost.uni-hamburg.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailhost.uni-hamburg.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id ke7iIFXY5bi9; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 22:43:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from pc911.math.uni-hamburg.de (pc911.math.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.220.198]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: fmjv004) by mailhost.uni-hamburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 318FA9012D; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 22:43:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D24E600.7040108@janh.de> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 22:43:28 +0100 From: Jan Henrik Sylvester User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101219 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pierre-Luc Drouin References: <20110105091240.GF1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <20110105082509.GA57232@somecodehere.com> <20110105132302.GG1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <4D24D817.9050009@janh.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: x11-list freebsd Subject: Re: xf86-video-intel upgrade, anyone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 21:43:21 -0000 On 01/05/2011 22:02, Pierre-Luc Drouin wrote: > I would be interested by the T410s, that can be ordered with the Intel > Centrino Wireless-N 1000 card and the NVIDIA NVS Optimus Graphics 512MB > (I am not sure if it is the same GPU that you have). Assuming for now > that the Nvidia GPU is the same, do you think that would be a winning > combo (for 3D acceleration and suspend+resume)? My T510 has "NVIDIA NVS 3100M Optimus / 512MB", which is the same as the two T410s with Nvidia I just checked. It is supposed to be a decent entry level discrete notebook graphic. The FreeBSD 3D performance is good enough for what I do work related like occasional Matlab graphics (heck, even a casual game of Starcraft 2 on 1920x1080 is fine with i386 wine on amd64 and GoogleEarth is no problem, either). Of course, the "Quadro FX880M" in the W510 is probably much better, but since you are looking into T410s, you seem to have other priorities. As I said, suspend/resume works currently -- that is of course S3 and not S4 (I do not think there are recent laptops with S4BIOS). As for wlan, I have "Intel WiFi Link 6300 AGN", which is available for T410s, too -- that is some "Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 6000" if you look into if_iwn.c. In 8.1-RELEASE, there are also two lines of "Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 1000" in if_iwn.c -- I would expect "Centrino Wireless-N 1000" to work. Of course, I do not have any experience with that. Do not expect a miracle, though. Many details of notebooks are much easier to get to work on Linux for example, but a mainline OS would be boring. ;-) Cheers, Jan Henrik From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 22:04:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7B4106564A for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 22:04:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pldrouin@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f68.google.com (mail-bw0-f68.google.com [209.85.214.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC3AF8FC18 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 22:04:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so6467021bwz.7 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 14:04:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=h7XFbZzym73MQcA9N4ySgZT07tdJNsBPMhhbBbssCpk=; b=gN7lNIqb3QkZIaTf4OHtF7TAAGjcSNg3obPiug6Sg/w/hfbDuRFVgbqi1h7t9m2KRb 1YCvY8yWPax7REHvgzmhOZ40q9gtDnBa4qS3ZQjcFkF31YBodDWkyhpbPBIBCug6hnPM +wL2uK9sqzWJ2mvLLNEB5Br4/veqy588VioNE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=jjD5pxYF5Kk8MZZ91N1N2hBQHswy6wgbpNPbmmNHHIzkOB+W5PmcJZqLv0TR2hARVA Lyy4DwkasRqXnhRzzfPGf20dRqxv+RI015JgRu7LLFR0WIGDZbbQCFvDIWklfwJszgQe k3YNvv6zZURJZPPQJaO7wnr0F1U24m0DtlkRw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.148.74 with SMTP id o10mr7412859bkv.109.1294265085733; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 14:04:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.118.194 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:04:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D24E600.7040108@janh.de> References: <20110105091240.GF1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <20110105082509.GA57232@somecodehere.com> <20110105132302.GG1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <4D24D817.9050009@janh.de> <4D24E600.7040108@janh.de> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:04:45 -0500 Message-ID: From: Pierre-Luc Drouin To: Jan Henrik Sylvester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: x11-list freebsd Subject: Re: xf86-video-intel upgrade, anyone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 22:04:47 -0000 On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Jan Henrik Sylvester wrote: > On 01/05/2011 22:02, Pierre-Luc Drouin wrote: > >> I would be interested by the T410s, that can be ordered with the Intel >> Centrino Wireless-N 1000 card and the NVIDIA NVS Optimus Graphics 512MB >> (I am not sure if it is the same GPU that you have). Assuming for now >> that the Nvidia GPU is the same, do you think that would be a winning >> combo (for 3D acceleration and suspend+resume)? >> > > My T510 has "NVIDIA NVS 3100M Optimus / 512MB", which is the same as the > two T410s with Nvidia I just checked. It is supposed to be a decent entry > level discrete notebook graphic. The FreeBSD 3D performance is good enough > for what I do work related like occasional Matlab graphics (heck, even a > casual game of Starcraft 2 on 1920x1080 is fine with i386 wine on amd64 and > GoogleEarth is no problem, either). Of course, the "Quadro FX880M" in the > W510 is probably much better, but since you are looking into T410s, you seem > to have other priorities. As I said, suspend/resume works currently -- that > is of course S3 and not S4 (I do not think there are recent laptops with > S4BIOS). > Well, I just want a laptop with a screen of 14" or less. I don't even play games. I just want stuff like Compiz, GoogleEarth and videos to play smoothly without generating too much CPU load... > > As for wlan, I have "Intel WiFi Link 6300 AGN", which is available for > T410s, too -- that is some "Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 6000" if you look into > if_iwn.c. In 8.1-RELEASE, there are also two lines of "Intel(R) PRO/Wireless > 1000" in if_iwn.c -- I would expect "Centrino Wireless-N 1000" to work. Of > course, I do not have any experience with that. > ok thanks for the info. > > Do not expect a miracle, though. Many details of notebooks are much easier > to get to work on Linux for example, but a mainline OS would be boring. ;-) > I don't mind too much if stuff like the camera, the finger print reader or the card reader does not work, as long as 3D acceleration and suspend/resume are stable. The only other thing that would be very useful to me is to be able to use the TouchPad to scroll (either using the right edge or two-finger scroll). Should this work? What kind of battery life do you think I should expect using the Nvidia GPU and the 6 cell battery (if the CPU load is minimal). Lenovo mentions "Up to 4.8 hours of battery life", but it will be less than that obviously without switchable graphics... Thanks > > Cheers, > Jan Henrik > From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 23:48:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F971065672 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 23:48:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from me@janh.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-hamburg.de (mailhost.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.32.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D07A8FC1B for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 23:48:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.uni-hamburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9375390019; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 00:48:43 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by University of Hamburg (RRZ/mailhost) Received: from mailhost.uni-hamburg.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailhost.uni-hamburg.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id BosViwM43FnO; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 00:48:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from nb981.math (g224004200.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.224.4.200]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: fmjv004) by mailhost.uni-hamburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 42D9490016; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 00:48:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D250357.60404@janh.de> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 00:48:39 +0100 From: Jan Henrik Sylvester User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101219 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pierre-Luc Drouin References: <20110105091240.GF1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <20110105082509.GA57232@somecodehere.com> <20110105132302.GG1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <4D24D817.9050009@janh.de> <4D24E600.7040108@janh.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: x11-list freebsd Subject: Re: xf86-video-intel upgrade, anyone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:48:45 -0000 On 01/05/2011 23:04, Pierre-Luc Drouin wrote: > I don't mind too much if stuff like the camera, the finger print reader Camera works fine, but not in Skype, though. Finger print reader is detected by sane-find-scanner, but I doubt there is a driver for it. > or the card reader does not work, as long as 3D acceleration and Card reader works, even if it is not very fast, 3D acceleration works. > suspend/resume are stable. The only other thing that would be very suspend/resume work, even though that is only possible for a few month now. Since then, it has never failed to resume for me, but I rarely use it. > useful to me is to be able to use the TouchPad to scroll (either using > the right edge or two-finger scroll). Should this work? Edge scrolling works reliably, two-finger scrolling and other two-finger gestures basically work for some reason unknown to me simply with hw.psm.synaptics_support="1" in /boot/loader.conf -- but they are not really usable with this setup. Probably, I would have to use the x.org Synaptics driver, which did not work immediately due to the combo track point/touchpad device as far as I remember. > What kind of battery life do you think I should expect using the Nvidia > GPU and the 6 cell battery (if the CPU load is minimal). Lenovo mentions > "Up to 4.8 hours of battery life", but it will be less than that > obviously without switchable graphics... I do not think you will get anywhere near 4.8 hours. It depends very much on tweaking as in http://wiki.freebsd.org/TuningPowerConsumption , turning off wlan, lowering brightness, sending the HD to sleep, and so on. With just the CPU tweaking and not disabling any devices, you will probably not even reach 2 hours. I have never tried to optimize that. Cheers, Jan Henrik From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 6 00:11:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5854F106566C for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 00:11:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from me@janh.de) Received: from mailhost.uni-hamburg.de (mailhost.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.32.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D76E8FC13 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 00:11:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.uni-hamburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1354190032; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 01:11:46 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by University of Hamburg (RRZ/mailhost) Received: from mailhost.uni-hamburg.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailhost.uni-hamburg.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id dt3sVWghwG7c; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 01:11:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from nb981.math (g224004200.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.224.4.200]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: fmjv004) by mailhost.uni-hamburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BB17D90016; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 01:11:45 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D2508C0.1040303@janh.de> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 01:11:44 +0100 From: Jan Henrik Sylvester User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101219 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pierre-Luc Drouin References: <20110105091240.GF1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <20110105082509.GA57232@somecodehere.com> <20110105132302.GG1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <4D24D817.9050009@janh.de> <4D24E600.7040108@janh.de> <4D250357.60404@janh.de> <4D250B2C.3060904@pldrouin.net> In-Reply-To: <4D250B2C.3060904@pldrouin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: x11-list freebsd Subject: Re: xf86-video-intel upgrade, anyone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 00:11:47 -0000 On 01/06/2011 01:22, Pierre-Luc Drouin wrote: > On 01/05/11 18:48, Jan Henrik Sylvester wrote: >> suspend/resume work, even though that is only possible for a few month >> now. Since then, it has never failed to resume for me, but I rarely >> use it. > > When you say that it works, does it require to turn off SMP or anything > that affects performance or battery life? Turning of SMP would not be "it works" for me. As I said, Firewire does not survive suspend/resume and produces many messages about it for the log, but I have not noticed anything else failing, yet. Cheers, Jan Henrik From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 6 00:22:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A7E106564A for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 00:22:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pldrouin@pldrouin.net) Received: from smtp.cyberfingers.net (smtp.cyberfingers.net [198.177.254.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988498FC16 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 00:22:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mdaemon.pldrouin.net (CPE0023695b905f-CM001a666aca96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.245.231.142]) by smtp.cyberfingers.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4202FAB6C0F; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 19:04:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D250B2C.3060904@pldrouin.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 19:22:04 -0500 From: Pierre-Luc Drouin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110104 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Henrik Sylvester References: <20110105091240.GF1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <20110105082509.GA57232@somecodehere.com> <20110105132302.GG1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <4D24D817.9050009@janh.de> <4D24E600.7040108@janh.de> <4D250357.60404@janh.de> In-Reply-To: <4D250357.60404@janh.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: x11-list freebsd Subject: Re: xf86-video-intel upgrade, anyone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 00:22:49 -0000 On 01/05/11 18:48, Jan Henrik Sylvester wrote: > On 01/05/2011 23:04, Pierre-Luc Drouin wrote: >> I don't mind too much if stuff like the camera, the finger print reader > > Camera works fine, but not in Skype, though. Finger print reader is > detected by sane-find-scanner, but I doubt there is a driver for it. > >> or the card reader does not work, as long as 3D acceleration and > > Card reader works, even if it is not very fast, 3D acceleration works. > >> suspend/resume are stable. The only other thing that would be very > > suspend/resume work, even though that is only possible for a few month > now. Since then, it has never failed to resume for me, but I rarely > use it. When you say that it works, does it require to turn off SMP or anything that affects performance or battery life? > >> useful to me is to be able to use the TouchPad to scroll (either using >> the right edge or two-finger scroll). Should this work? > > Edge scrolling works reliably, two-finger scrolling and other > two-finger gestures basically work for some reason unknown to me > simply with hw.psm.synaptics_support="1" in /boot/loader.conf -- but > they are not really usable with this setup. Probably, I would have to > use the x.org Synaptics driver, which did not work immediately due to > the combo track point/touchpad device as far as I remember. ok that's good then... > > >> What kind of battery life do you think I should expect using the Nvidia >> GPU and the 6 cell battery (if the CPU load is minimal). Lenovo mentions >> "Up to 4.8 hours of battery life", but it will be less than that >> obviously without switchable graphics... > > I do not think you will get anywhere near 4.8 hours. It depends very > much on tweaking as in http://wiki.freebsd.org/TuningPowerConsumption > , turning off wlan, lowering brightness, sending the HD to sleep, and > so on. With just the CPU tweaking and not disabling any devices, you > will probably not even reach 2 hours. I have never tried to optimize > that. > > Cheers, > Jan Henrik Thanks From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 6 00:29:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D72CD106566C for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 00:29:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pldrouin@pldrouin.net) Received: from smtp.cyberfingers.net (smtp.cyberfingers.net [198.177.254.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC828FC17 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 00:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mdaemon.pldrouin.net (CPE0023695b905f-CM001a666aca96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.245.231.142]) by smtp.cyberfingers.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A17AB6C0F; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 19:29:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D2510E8.9060607@pldrouin.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 19:46:32 -0500 From: Pierre-Luc Drouin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110104 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Henrik Sylvester References: <20110105091240.GF1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <20110105082509.GA57232@somecodehere.com> <20110105132302.GG1850@uriah.heep.sax.de> <4D24D817.9050009@janh.de> <4D24E600.7040108@janh.de> <4D250357.60404@janh.de> <4D250B2C.3060904@pldrouin.net> <4D2508C0.1040303@janh.de> In-Reply-To: <4D2508C0.1040303@janh.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: x11-list freebsd Subject: Re: xf86-video-intel upgrade, anyone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 00:29:04 -0000 On 01/05/11 19:11, Jan Henrik Sylvester wrote: > On 01/06/2011 01:22, Pierre-Luc Drouin wrote: >> On 01/05/11 18:48, Jan Henrik Sylvester wrote: >>> suspend/resume work, even though that is only possible for a few month >>> now. Since then, it has never failed to resume for me, but I rarely >>> use it. >> >> When you say that it works, does it require to turn off SMP or anything >> that affects performance or battery life? > > Turning of SMP would not be "it works" for me. As I said, Firewire > does not survive suspend/resume and produces many messages about it > for the log, but I have not noticed anything else failing, yet. > > Cheers, > Jan Henrik I don't mind having to unload any kernel module not required by X before suspending. The only thing I want to make sure is that I don't have to boot the computer using only a single core or that I have to exit from X before suspending in order to be able to resume correctly. So that part works, right? Thanks From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 7 07:28:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45D91065693 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 07:28:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from koala.droso.net (koala.droso.net [IPv6:2001:6c8:130:400::6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03628FC1F for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 07:28:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from koala.droso.net (localhost.droso.net [IPv6:::1]) by koala.droso.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B74E1CCB6 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 08:28:41 +0100 (CET) From: linimon@FreeBSD.org To: x11@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20110107072841.0B74E1CCB6@koala.droso.net> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 08:28:41 +0100 (CET) Cc: Subject: FreeBSD ports that you maintain which are currently marked broken X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: portmgr-feedback@FreeBSD.org List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 07:28:41 -0000 Dear FreeBSD port maintainer: As part of an ongoing effort to reduce the number of problems in the FreeBSD ports system, we periodically notify users of ports that are marked as "broken" in their Makefiles. In many cases these ports are failing to compile on some subset of the FreeBSD build environments. The most common problem is that recent versions of -CURRENT include gcc4.2, which is much stricter than older versions. The next most common problem is that compiles succeed on the i386 architecture (e.g. the common Intel PC), but fail on one or more of the other architectures due to assumptions about things such as size of various types, byte-alignment issues, and so forth. In occasional cases we see that the same port may have different errors in different build environments. The script that runs on the build cluster uses heuristics to try to 'guess' the error type to help you isolate problems, but it is only a rough guide. One more note: on occasion, there are transient build errors seen on the build farm. Unfortunately, there is not yet any way for this algorithm to tell the difference (humans are much, much better at this kind of thing.) The errors are listed below. In the case where the same problem exists on more than one build environment, the URL points to the latest errorlog for that type. (By 'build environment' here we mean 'combination of 6.x/7.x/-current with target architecture'.) (Note: the dates are included to help you to gauge whether or not the error still applies to the latest version. The program that generates this report is not yet able to determine this automatically.) portname: x11-drivers/xf86-input-citron broken because: does not compile build errors: none. overview: http://portsmon.FreeBSD.org/portoverview.py?category=x11-drivers&portname=xf86-input-citron portname: x11-drivers/xf86-input-elographics broken because: does not compile build errors: none. overview: http://portsmon.FreeBSD.org/portoverview.py?category=x11-drivers&portname=xf86-input-elographics portname: x11-drivers/xf86-input-fpit broken because: does not compile build errors: none. overview: http://portsmon.FreeBSD.org/portoverview.py?category=x11-drivers&portname=xf86-input-fpit If these errors are ones that you are already aware of, please accept our apologies and ignore this message. On the other hand, if you no longer wish to maintain this port (or ports), please reply with a message stating that, and accept our thanks for your efforts in the past. Every effort has been made to make sure that these error reports really do correspond to a port that you maintain. However, due to the fact that this is an automated process, it may indeed generate false matches. If one of these errors fits that description, please forward this email to the author of this software, Mark Linimon , so that he can attempt to fix the problem in the future. Thanks for your efforts to help improve FreeBSD.