From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 9 21:11:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9681065670 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 21:11:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from germaniak@outlook.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s9.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s9.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522208FC0A for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 21:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY002-W36 ([65.54.190.59]) by bay0-omc1-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 9 Sep 2012 14:09:55 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [68.43.224.227] From: Allen Kenner To: "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 17:09:55 -0400 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2012 21:09:55.0608 (UTC) FILETIME=[76339980:01CD8ECF] Subject: Spreading the word X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2012 21:11:02 -0000 Hello all=2C I've been using FreeBSD on and off since 4.0. I have my FreeBSD Mouse Pad= =2C my FreeBSD Stickers that literally cover my Laptop=2C and all of my Com= puters=2C and my two FreeBSD tee shirts I wear with pride=2C and my FreeBSD= boxer Shorts as well. I also have purchased just about every Item availabl= e on the FreeBSD Mall=2C and whenever someone asks me what it is=2C I take = the time to explain to them what it is. I'm just curious if I'm the only one who gets asked a lot about it. See=2C = even though I'm a geeky person who's into the whole BSD and Computer Scienc= e thing=2C not all my friends are. I have some friends who know next to not= hing about Computers=2C and the vast majority of my Family don't know a thi= ng about Computers. My Mom=2C who works at a Hospital here in the town in w= hich I live=2C isn't a Computer person at all. She does work on them of cou= rse doing the job and all=2C but knows next to nothing about Unix other tha= n what I've told Her. Mainly because back when I still lived with Her=2C Sh= e wanted to know why it was that I had spent over 500 dollars on things tha= t said BSD on them.=20 I ended up making it easy on myself=3B I showed my Mom one of my Computers = running FreeBSD=2C and what I could do. She doesn't like Computers=2C and S= he's bored by them pretty fast=2C but She actually took some time to listen= for a change because=2C even though She doesn't like them=2C She did see t= he amazing things possible with this little CD-ROM. And of course=2C She th= ought it was great that the SUPER old POS Computer She had given me because= it wouldn't run the newest Windows stuff=2C was still being used by me bec= ause it ran FreeBSD just fine. I live in Michigan=2C and other than the fact that our economy is crap here= =2C I thought "Why not use the Economy to my advantage?" And that's when I = started to do that very thing: See=2C before this=2C I would show people who awesome it was to be a user o= f FreeBSD=2C and they all loved the idea=2C but as soon as I went over the = way you have to install patches for security and bug fixes=2C I'd literally= lose about 99.999% of the people I'd reeled in.=20 They'd ask if there was another way=2C and I'd end up having to show them L= inux. They liked that because they enjoyed the power inherint in Unix=2C bu= t with a pretty GUI and easy to use tools. But see=2C now=2C we have PC-BSD= ! FreeBSD with a very pretty paint job=2C and all those super nice easy to = use tools=2C all rolled into one. So now=2C when someone asks me about Free= BSD=2C if I lose them at the point where they ask how you install patches= =2C or security fixes=2C I just point them at PC-BSD=2C since it really is = FreeBSD with some nice shiny paint=2C and of course=2C install software=2C = patches=2C security fixes=2C and updates=2C is the same simple point and cl= ick you have on Linux! I'm actually glad I started using it too=3B I installed PC-BSD on my Laptop= =2C and it's been wonderful. I now keep a selection of things around just f= or these occasions=3B I have FreeBSD of course=2C and then I have PC-BSD=2C= because a lot of the problems I ran into were because of what it takes to = patch. Now=2C I admit=2C I too don't exactly enjoy that. I mean=2C if I want to ru= n FreeBSD on a Desktop where I don't need any Server stuff=2C and I don't w= ant to compile anything=2C my options for making sure my Ports get security= fixes=2C are very limited. I think this is something that we really could = fix up. If PC-BSD can do it=2C why not FreeBSD? Is anyone here aware of any work being done to make it so that Updating=2C = Patching=2C and so on=2C on FreeBSD=2C becomes as easy as it is on PC-BSD? = Personally I'm VERY biased towards FreeBSD=2C and I'd switch to it complete= ly and no longer even bother much with Linux if I could just get it to wher= e I could do security fixes on Ports without having to go through such a lo= ng process. How do YOU guys do it? Like just as an example=2C I'd like to know the foll= owing: Lets say you are setting up a new machine. It doesn't matter if it's a Serv= er or a Desktop system=2C but lets just say you guys all got a new Computer= =2C and are installing FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE on it=2C and you have finished w= ith the installation=2C and now you want to get some Ports installed. What = are your next steps? Like I myself for example=2C will generally then run p= ortsnap to make sure they're updated=2C but the what? What do you do if you= then ran sysinstall and installed a bunch of packages as well? What if you installed FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE=2C and then=2C you run up portsna= p=2C install a few ports=2C and then=2C you ran sysinstall=2C and you insta= lled a bunch of software from packages as well? You now start getting those= emails about how there are security patches you need to install. What do y= ou do next? = From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 10 06:08:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1A231065674 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 06:08:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B94F8FC20 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 06:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.local (host31-52-102-169.range31-52.btcentralplus.com [31.52.102.169]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q8A68a4Q037232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Sep 2012 07:08:37 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q8A68a4Q037232 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/q8A68a4Q037232; dkim=none (no signature); dkim-adsp=none X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host host31-52-102-169.range31-52.btcentralplus.com [31.52.102.169] claimed to be seedling.local Message-ID: <504D83DE.1040801@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 07:08:30 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allen Kenner References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.4 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig5317D68431E89740ADA86101" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.5 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_PBL, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL, RDNS_DYNAMIC, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Spreading the word X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 06:08:46 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig5317D68431E89740ADA86101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/09/2012 22:09, Allen Kenner wrote: > Is anyone here aware of any work being done to make it so that > Updating, Patching, and so on, on FreeBSD, becomes as easy as it is > on PC-BSD? Personally I'm VERY biased towards FreeBSD, and I'd switch > to it completely and no longer even bother much with Linux if I could > just get it to where I could do security fixes on Ports without > having to go through such a long process. There is this rather shiny little project: http://wiki.freebsd.org/pkgng I'd call it quietly revolutionary, except that it hasn't been particularly quiet. There's been plenty of discussion in freebsd-ports@ and freebsd-current@ as well as what's linked to from that Wiki page. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey --------------enig5317D68431E89740ADA86101 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlBNg+QACgkQ8Mjk52CukIyA7QCfZsu+UdX/WHKN+ik3jLs1qUD5 NZ4AoIAWTnCU0K5GHGzzRcVttq3s7xwl =HEvl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig5317D68431E89740ADA86101-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 10 14:23:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76520106566B for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:23:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from germaniak@outlook.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s7.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s7.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609E38FC08 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:23:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY002-W17 ([65.54.190.60]) by bay0-omc1-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 10 Sep 2012 07:22:07 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [68.43.224.227] From: Allen Kenner To: FreeBSD Advocacy Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 10:22:08 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <504D83DE.1040801@FreeBSD.org> References: , <504D83DE.1040801@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Sep 2012 14:22:07.0688 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8990C80:01CD8F5F] Subject: RE: Spreading the word X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:23:14 -0000 ---------------------------------------- > Date: Mon=2C 10 Sep 2012 07:08:30 +0100 > From: matthew@FreeBSD.org > To: germaniak@outlook.com > CC: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: Spreading the word > > On 09/09/2012 22:09=2C Allen Kenner wrote: > > Is anyone here aware of any work being done to make it so that > > Updating=2C Patching=2C and so on=2C on FreeBSD=2C becomes as easy as i= t is > > on PC-BSD? Personally I'm VERY biased towards FreeBSD=2C and I'd switch > > to it completely and no longer even bother much with Linux if I could > > just get it to where I could do security fixes on Ports without > > having to go through such a long process. > > There is this rather shiny little project: > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/pkgng > > I'd call it quietly revolutionary=2C except that it hasn't been > particularly quiet. There's been plenty of discussion in freebsd-ports@ > and freebsd-current@ as well as what's linked to from that Wiki page. Hello! Thanks so much for the reply=2C I appreciate it. I actually started reading= about this just a little bit yesterday. I'd never even heard of this thing= before=2C and yesterday=2C it was getting kind of late=2C and I came acros= s that and saved the link I was reading so I could pick up where I left off= again today=2C but I didn't have the Wiki link=2C so thanks much for that. >From what I've read=2C it seems to be what I'm looking for=2C and I appreci= ate it very much! =