From owner-freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 24 11:07:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51CD3106564A for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:07:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B90D8FC16 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q8OB7JhF085906 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:07:19 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q8OB7I0Q085904 for freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:07:18 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:07:18 GMT Message-Id: <201209241107.q8OB7I0Q085904@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: gnats set sender to owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:07:19 -0000 Note: to view an individual PR, use: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=(number). The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o misc/52256 embedded [picobsd] picobsd build script does not read in user/s o kern/42728 embedded [picobsd] many problems in src/usr.sbin/ppp/* after c 2 problems total. From owner-freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 25 02:00:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F49F106564A for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 02:00:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pa0-f54.google.com (mail-pa0-f54.google.com [209.85.220.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE578FC12 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 02:00:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by padbi1 with SMTP id bi1so1963461pad.13 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:00:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=GjIA+AUa14eTtHh2i98Ep6M+HzwZBjS5yh19UnO/7eo=; b=nlORyVQmk2+V22zwkELUHCb9JEQkAf1/Hd4luL25K2tF+Sj+ctHGS7E8mygsqMltvP O10XjXHut02yTyY07k7B9tHjTY0NH66ygroUN9kKWg28Um75U0T2wWIC6gNo12UA0G8g LJU8XZOumjnR3sTfIHSAImz/m/5IIhITEe9eXO5EfBjIKAuyl20bLGF/kNKWnx/W6po5 Ewv6P3F9xA7fiYQtKvdS47IX4hF7QzET1DBVMgVAcIN/D0XBJ//OV9afjhtvIkE2L1I6 OXBnI24qYj/7EycFzv/YqLHJ/FpXfVGc0zfzHPaOtfwoIIAEpQC38kP3vFEY01tAGyBo ab+A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.197.167 with SMTP id iv7mr41448554pbc.113.1348538425805; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.68.36.106 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:00:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1348527508.22060.YahooMailNeo@web161302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1345450827.44038.YahooMailNeo@web130101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1345487930.993.YahooMailNeo@web130105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1345932705.39927.YahooMailNeo@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1348527508.22060.YahooMailNeo@web161302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:00:25 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8emuaGc2YJXC0rffBNcrQuDv0Dk Message-ID: From: Adrian Chadd To: Biryani Niharee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Subject: Re: switch ports on AR71xx platforms X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 02:00:32 -0000 On 24 September 2012 15:58, Biryani Niharee wrote: > > hi Adrian, > I am back with another question. So I need to put the etherswitch code > into a 9.0 based router with AR7161. The ethernet switch chipset is > AR8316. Same as RSPRO station. Is there a one single patch somewhere, > that was used in -CURRENT that I can try out to see if it patches cleanly > on 9.0 ? Hi! I unfortunately don't have the time to backport this to 9.0. It should be relatively easy to do. I'm all for someone MFC'ing this stuff back to -9 but I was hoping that Ray and Stefan could flesh out the API a little more first. Adrian From owner-freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 27 16:31:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB7D106564A for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 16:31:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@grabthar.secnetix.de) Received: from grabthar.secnetix.de (grabthar.secnetix.de [212.17.241.225]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEFB48FC16 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 16:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from grabthar.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grabthar.secnetix.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q8RGQ6S4011608; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 18:26:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by grabthar.secnetix.de (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q8RGQ6nS011607; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 18:26:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 18:26:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <201209271626.q8RGQ6nS011607@grabthar.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-embedded User-Agent: tin/2.0.1-20111224 ("Achenvoir") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/9.1-PRERELEASE-20120811 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Looking for hardware advice X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 16:31:51 -0000 Hi, I'm sorry, this is probably off-topic, but I couldn't find much useful information on the web. I'm looking for a small board that's well supported by FreeBSD (head or stable/9). It should ... - ... be as small as possible (physical size). - ... be available to the public without having to order a crate of 1000. I need only one, maybe two. - ... work out of the box with head or stable/9, without requiring a soldering iron, without having to patch firmware with a hex editor and similar adventures. :-) - ... run from a single power line, preferably 12V DC or something like that, with as low power consumption as possible. I wouldn't mind if it could run from a bunch of batteries either. - ... Support USB and some kind of wireless communication, preferably Bluetooth (either built-in or via a USB-to- Bluetooth adapter). - ... boot from flash (SD card, CF card or USB stick). - ... have a bunch of GPIO pins to play with. Actually I would like to port an old piece of software that used the good old parallel port (in bit-bang mode), so I need at least 12 or 13 I/O pins. Alternatively I could use a USB parallel port adapter, but I'm not sure if those support bit-bang mode. (And such an adapter would add to the overall size, so I'd like to avoid that.) I do NOT need ethernet, VGA, audio, and so on. In fact I'll probably compile a kernel without networking support. Performance is not an issue, I don't intend to run number crunching stuff or folding@home. ;-) RAM should be sufficient to boot a stripped-down kernel with the modules and software that I need (Bluetooth stuff, a shell, some small programs). Something like the Raspberry Pi would be cool (except that the Pi has many features that I don't need, and it's not supported by FreeBSD as of today). Any advice will be appreciated! Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd With Perl you can manipulate text, interact with programs, talk over networks, drive Web pages, perform arbitrary precision arithmetic, and write programs that look like Snoopy swearing. From owner-freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 27 17:06:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31576106564A for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:06:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dmitriy@radier.ca) Received: from server.radier.ca (old.radier.ca [76.10.149.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9378FC16 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:06:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by server.radier.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D835D15BE2C2; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 12:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.radier.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (server.radier.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b2h4et6xPt7N; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 12:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.22.176] (unknown [206.47.153.50]) by server.radier.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B538715BE2A2; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 12:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.1 \(1498\)) From: Dmitriy Fitisov In-Reply-To: <201209271626.q8RGQ6nS011607@grabthar.secnetix.de> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 12:56:11 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <201209271626.q8RGQ6nS011607@grabthar.secnetix.de> To: Oliver Fromme X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1498) Cc: freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Looking for hardware advice X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:06:18 -0000 Hello Oliver, may I ask why FreeBSD? You may take a look at Soekris website. They used to support FreeBSD very well, AFAIK. But if you want GPIO, would not it better to go lower level something = like ARM boards from Olimex or similar? Thank you. Dmitriy On 2012-09-27, at 12:26 PM, Oliver Fromme = wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I'm sorry, this is probably off-topic, but I couldn't find > much useful information on the web. >=20 > I'm looking for a small board that's well supported by > FreeBSD (head or stable/9). >=20 > It should ... >=20 > - ... be as small as possible (physical size). > - ... be available to the public without having to order > a crate of 1000. I need only one, maybe two. > - ... work out of the box with head or stable/9, without > requiring a soldering iron, without having to patch > firmware with a hex editor and similar adventures. :-) > - ... run from a single power line, preferably 12V DC or > something like that, with as low power consumption as > possible. I wouldn't mind if it could run from a bunch > of batteries either. > - ... Support USB and some kind of wireless communication, > preferably Bluetooth (either built-in or via a USB-to- > Bluetooth adapter). > - ... boot from flash (SD card, CF card or USB stick). > - ... have a bunch of GPIO pins to play with. Actually I > would like to port an old piece of software that used > the good old parallel port (in bit-bang mode), so I need > at least 12 or 13 I/O pins. Alternatively I could use a > USB parallel port adapter, but I'm not sure if those > support bit-bang mode. (And such an adapter would add > to the overall size, so I'd like to avoid that.) >=20 > I do NOT need ethernet, VGA, audio, and so on. In fact > I'll probably compile a kernel without networking support. > Performance is not an issue, I don't intend to run number > crunching stuff or folding@home. ;-) RAM should be > sufficient to boot a stripped-down kernel with the modules > and software that I need (Bluetooth stuff, a shell, some > small programs). >=20 > Something like the Raspberry Pi would be cool (except that > the Pi has many features that I don't need, and it's not > supported by FreeBSD as of today). >=20 > Any advice will be appreciated! >=20 > Best regards > Oliver >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. = M. > Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, = Gesch=E4ftsfuehrung: > secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht = M=FCn- > chen, HRB 125758, Gesch=E4ftsf=FChrer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf = Gebhart >=20 > FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: = http://www.secnetix.de/bsd >=20 > With Perl you can manipulate text, interact with programs, talk over > networks, drive Web pages, perform arbitrary precision arithmetic, > and write programs that look like Snoopy swearing. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-embedded > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-embedded-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 27 17:24:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247E6106566B for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:24:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmg@h2.funkthat.com) Received: from h2.funkthat.com (gate2.funkthat.com [208.87.223.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0AD68FC0A for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:24:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from h2.funkthat.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by h2.funkthat.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q8RHOGoH010164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 27 Sep 2012 10:24:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg@h2.funkthat.com) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by h2.funkthat.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id q8RHOGqU010163; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 10:24:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 10:24:15 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Oliver Fromme Message-ID: <20120927172415.GO19036@funkthat.com> Mail-Followup-To: Oliver Fromme , freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org References: <201209271626.q8RGQ6nS011607@grabthar.secnetix.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201209271626.q8RGQ6nS011607@grabthar.secnetix.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 54BA 873B 6515 3F10 9E88 9322 9CB1 8F74 6D3F A396 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ X-Resume: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/resume.html X-to-the-FBI-CIA-and-NSA: HI! HOW YA DOIN? can i haz chizburger? X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (h2.funkthat.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 27 Sep 2012 10:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for hardware advice X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:24:24 -0000 Oliver Fromme wrote this message on Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 18:26 +0200: > I'm sorry, this is probably off-topic, but I couldn't find > much useful information on the web. > > I'm looking for a small board that's well supported by > FreeBSD (head or stable/9). I recently picked up a BeagleBONE and I haven't done much with it, but it's working good... It's pretty darn small and has all the features your talking about.. Using Tim Kientzle's scripts[1], building an image from -HEAD is very easy... I'm even building the image from PCBSD9 VM... > It should ... > > - ... be as small as possible (physical size). 3.4" x 2.1" small enough for you? > - ... be available to the public without having to order > a crate of 1000. I need only one, maybe two. I picked up one from Digikey for $89 + shipping... > - ... work out of the box with head or stable/9, without > requiring a soldering iron, without having to patch > firmware with a hex editor and similar adventures. :-) It worked out of the box for me the first time... Right now there are a few issues w/ U-boot and USB power that I'm tracking down, but it shouldn't be hard... Just need to find the time... > - ... run from a single power line, preferably 12V DC or > something like that, with as low power consumption as > possible. I wouldn't mind if it could run from a bunch > of batteries either. I'm running of the USB power, but it has a 5V DC jack, and there is even a cape that will do battery power iirc... > - ... Support USB and some kind of wireless communication, > preferably Bluetooth (either built-in or via a USB-to- > Bluetooth adapter). No bluetooth, and I haven't tried a USB bluetooth adapter but I don't see why it wouldn't work... > - ... boot from flash (SD card, CF card or USB stick). Uses a micro SD card, and comes w/ a micro->normal SD adapter... > - ... have a bunch of GPIO pins to play with. Actually I > would like to port an old piece of software that used > the good old parallel port (in bit-bang mode), so I need > at least 12 or 13 I/O pins. Alternatively I could use a > USB parallel port adapter, but I'm not sure if those > support bit-bang mode. (And such an adapter would add > to the overall size, so I'd like to avoid that.) The expansion part has 65 GPIO according to the system reference manual... There are capes that make the GPIO's and other stuff easily accessable.. There is even one that includes a breadboard on it, also available from DigiKey.. > I do NOT need ethernet, VGA, audio, and so on. In fact > I'll probably compile a kernel without networking support. > Performance is not an issue, I don't intend to run number > crunching stuff or folding@home. ;-) RAM should be > sufficient to boot a stripped-down kernel with the modules > and software that I need (Bluetooth stuff, a shell, some > small programs). It's good you don't need etherenet as it freezes every 30 seconds or so... I haven't had time to try to debug it yet... One nice thing is that is has 256MB of ram, so you don't have to strip down the image that much... > Something like the Raspberry Pi would be cool (except that > the Pi has many features that I don't need, and it's not > supported by FreeBSD as of today). > > Any advice will be appreciated! Come over to freebsd-arm if you want to see more of what's going on... [1] https://github.com/kientzle/freebsd-beaglebone/ -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not." From owner-freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 27 20:23:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B572D106564A for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 20:23:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-oa0-f54.google.com (mail-oa0-f54.google.com [209.85.219.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9378FC0A for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 20:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by oagn9 with SMTP id n9so1073728oag.13 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 13:23:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=R36Y1yzwXyL+iVIljTU9uBW8QaaqZtJWGqCGgbdeb/U=; b=APX5fswG+xn0uL1zG57umX/Tmb1obe6HYNC8Ksx+/AJGsdQTkrzX2FtsFsRnzl4ff8 ULOKwJr0egj8zxXcFZ4WlJTjCM57Vlu+T34bHs2EsrCnFEMRx7UlU2Hy2CpVojGsAdZI Smk0dwcfZpucXU/F0hFEKRuWRilnMTu+NIMVTuODvdycAeF9O5AqsUevAuaSzYK8sSLH hcYAT7s/iiDXjwAvs4MIYwz2vmwvzkKbJGw2X0DSRCaihrCrYeIvyHUVgIuN/fkXtAPU WKe74Hztj9CavVCaJqNAsZWoc1AgWFgRYwQ6z6OAlduR7kypyQlEuMb4iu4rsQ9rYKcC 97jg== Received: by 10.60.5.129 with SMTP id s1mr4079763oes.85.1348777409197; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 13:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.30.101.53] ([209.117.142.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm6511138obi.22.2012.09.27.13.23.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 27 Sep 2012 13:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Warner Losh Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <201209271626.q8RGQ6nS011607@grabthar.secnetix.de> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 14:23:23 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <52300353-8F6F-48A7-82AC-D2BC1138E32F@bsdimp.com> References: <201209271626.q8RGQ6nS011607@grabthar.secnetix.de> To: Oliver Fromme X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkg2m6v5nICqkdLACyWz0QuU25/KvWHkg2YACwjKBVPIyxba3spgZi9VTPyBnThaFbtFOS3 Cc: "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Looking for hardware advice X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 20:23:30 -0000 The Atmel processors look good for this sort of thing. I've recently = found either the Glomation SBC-9G20u or the Pico SAM9g45 to be good and = not too expensive (the former is $55 and the latter is $70, at least = shipping to the US). Although come to think of it the former runs on = 5V. Warner On Sep 27, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Oliver Fromme wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I'm sorry, this is probably off-topic, but I couldn't find > much useful information on the web. >=20 > I'm looking for a small board that's well supported by > FreeBSD (head or stable/9). >=20 > It should ... >=20 > - ... be as small as possible (physical size). > - ... be available to the public without having to order > a crate of 1000. I need only one, maybe two. > - ... work out of the box with head or stable/9, without > requiring a soldering iron, without having to patch > firmware with a hex editor and similar adventures. :-) > - ... run from a single power line, preferably 12V DC or > something like that, with as low power consumption as > possible. I wouldn't mind if it could run from a bunch > of batteries either. > - ... Support USB and some kind of wireless communication, > preferably Bluetooth (either built-in or via a USB-to- > Bluetooth adapter). > - ... boot from flash (SD card, CF card or USB stick). > - ... have a bunch of GPIO pins to play with. Actually I > would like to port an old piece of software that used > the good old parallel port (in bit-bang mode), so I need > at least 12 or 13 I/O pins. Alternatively I could use a > USB parallel port adapter, but I'm not sure if those > support bit-bang mode. (And such an adapter would add > to the overall size, so I'd like to avoid that.) >=20 > I do NOT need ethernet, VGA, audio, and so on. In fact > I'll probably compile a kernel without networking support. > Performance is not an issue, I don't intend to run number > crunching stuff or folding@home. ;-) RAM should be > sufficient to boot a stripped-down kernel with the modules > and software that I need (Bluetooth stuff, a shell, some > small programs). >=20 > Something like the Raspberry Pi would be cool (except that > the Pi has many features that I don't need, and it's not > supported by FreeBSD as of today). >=20 > Any advice will be appreciated! >=20 > Best regards > Oliver >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. = M. > Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, = Gesch=E4ftsfuehrung: > secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht = M=FCn- > chen, HRB 125758, Gesch=E4ftsf=FChrer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf = Gebhart >=20 > FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: = http://www.secnetix.de/bsd >=20 > With Perl you can manipulate text, interact with programs, talk over > networks, drive Web pages, perform arbitrary precision arithmetic, > and write programs that look like Snoopy swearing. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-embedded > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-embedded-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 28 16:57:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E743C106564A for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 16:57:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@grabthar.secnetix.de) Received: from grabthar.secnetix.de (grabthar.secnetix.de [212.17.241.225]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FBC38FC15 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 16:57:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from grabthar.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grabthar.secnetix.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q8SGvVLF075795; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 18:57:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by grabthar.secnetix.de (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q8SGvVWv075794; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 18:57:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 18:57:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <201209281657.q8SGvVWv075794@grabthar.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG, Dmitriy Fitisov In-Reply-To: X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-embedded User-Agent: tin/2.0.1-20111224 ("Achenvoir") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/9.1-PRERELEASE-20120811 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Re: Looking for hardware advice X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 16:57:40 -0000 Dmitriy Fitisov wrote: > Hello Oliver, > may I ask why FreeBSD? Because it's the system I'm most familiar with. I want this to "just work" and not spend more time than necessary. > You may take a look at Soekris website. > They used to support FreeBSD very well, AFAIK. Well, Soekris, ALIX etc. are just normal PC boards in ITX form factor or just slightly smaller. They're not much different from boards like the Intel D425KT (Mini-ITX with Atom processor). But that's not what I'm looking for. > But if you want GPIO, would not it better to go lower level something > like ARM boards from Olimex or similar? Yes, actually that's exactly what I had in mind, i.e. some really small board with ARM or MIPS. I've just looked at the Olimex site, thanks for the pointer. Their "iMX233-OLinuXino-MICRO" looks very cool, it's only 3.4" x 1.7" and seems to have exactly the features that I need: https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/iMX233/iMX233-OLinuXino-MICRO/ But I don't think FreeBSD supports it. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "In My Egoistical Opinion, most people's C programs should be indented six feet downward and covered with dirt." -- Blair P. Houghton From owner-freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 28 17:01:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C15B106564A for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:01:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@grabthar.secnetix.de) Received: from grabthar.secnetix.de (grabthar.secnetix.de [212.17.241.225]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 147848FC0C for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:01:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from grabthar.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grabthar.secnetix.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q8SH1Biv076192; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 19:01:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by grabthar.secnetix.de (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q8SH1AGt076191; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 19:01:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 19:01:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <201209281701.q8SH1AGt076191@grabthar.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG, John-Mark Gurney In-Reply-To: <20120927172415.GO19036@funkthat.com> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-embedded User-Agent: tin/2.0.1-20111224 ("Achenvoir") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/9.1-PRERELEASE-20120811 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Re: Looking for hardware advice X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:01:13 -0000 John-Mark Gurney wrote: > Oliver Fromme wrote this message on Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 18:26 +0200: > > I'm sorry, this is probably off-topic, but I couldn't find > > much useful information on the web. > > > > I'm looking for a small board that's well supported by > > FreeBSD (head or stable/9). > > I recently picked up a BeagleBONE and I haven't done much with it, but > it's working good... It's pretty darn small and has all the features > your talking about.. Using Tim Kientzle's scripts[1], building an > image from -HEAD is very easy... I'm even building the image from > PCBSD9 VM... Sounds good. > > It should ... > > > > - ... be as small as possible (physical size). > > 3.4" x 2.1" small enough for you? Yes, that's pretty good. I've skimmed through the messages on the -arm list of the past few weeks ... It seems that USB support isn't there yet, and I haven't seen any indication of GPIO working. Both of them are a must for me. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs." -- Robert Firth From owner-freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 28 17:06:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8DD106566B for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:06:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@grabthar.secnetix.de) Received: from grabthar.secnetix.de (grabthar.secnetix.de [212.17.241.225]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E00158FC14 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from grabthar.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grabthar.secnetix.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q8SH6Onl076350; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 19:06:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by grabthar.secnetix.de (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q8SH6Otr076349; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 19:06:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 19:06:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <201209281706.q8SH6Otr076349@grabthar.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG, Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <52300353-8F6F-48A7-82AC-D2BC1138E32F@bsdimp.com> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-embedded User-Agent: tin/2.0.1-20111224 ("Achenvoir") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/9.1-PRERELEASE-20120811 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Re: Looking for hardware advice X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:06:28 -0000 Warner Losh wrote: > The Atmel processors look good for this sort of thing. I've recently > found either the Glomation SBC-9G20u or the Pico SAM9g45 to be good > and not too expensive (the former is $55 and the latter is $70, at > least shipping to the US). Although come to think of it the former > runs on 5V. Thanks for the pointers. They're a little larger than I envisioned, but it should work if I don't find any better options. Does FreeBSD support both of those boards out of the box, including USB host ports and the GPIO pins? Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "A language that doesn't have everything is actually easier to program in than some that do." -- Dennis M. Ritchie From owner-freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 28 17:13:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228C7106566B for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:13:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org) Received: from duck.symmetricom.us (duck.symmetricom.us [206.168.13.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C1CA8FC15 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:13:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from damnhippie.dyndns.org (daffy.symmetricom.us [206.168.13.218]) by duck.symmetricom.us (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q8SHDNig049917 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 11:13:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org) Received: from [172.22.42.240] (revolution.hippie.lan [172.22.42.240]) by damnhippie.dyndns.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q8SHDLUp068776; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 11:13:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org) From: Ian Lepore To: Oliver Fromme In-Reply-To: <201209281706.q8SH6Otr076349@grabthar.secnetix.de> References: <201209281706.q8SH6Otr076349@grabthar.secnetix.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 11:13:21 -0600 Message-ID: <1348852401.1113.47.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for hardware advice X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:13:31 -0000 On Fri, 2012-09-28 at 19:06 +0200, Oliver Fromme wrote: > Warner Losh wrote: > > The Atmel processors look good for this sort of thing. I've recently > > found either the Glomation SBC-9G20u or the Pico SAM9g45 to be good > > and not too expensive (the former is $55 and the latter is $70, at > > least shipping to the US). Although come to think of it the former > > runs on 5V. > > Thanks for the pointers. They're a little larger than I > envisioned, but it should work if I don't find any better > options. > > Does FreeBSD support both of those boards out of the box, > including USB host ports and the GPIO pins? > > Best regards > Oliver > > I have the pico sam9g45 board, and I spent some time last weekend trying to get freebsd up on it. It boots to the point where it launches init then spews some garbage chars to the console and goes comatose. I have a feeling that's being caused by something simple and dumb on my part, and once I figure out what, then the board will be in the "just works" category. In general, we have pretty good support for Atmel ARM stuff. -- Ian From owner-freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 28 17:28:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF99106564A for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:28:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A41DE8FC14 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:28:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbwc20 with SMTP id wc20so2874141obb.13 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:28:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=xPLGwTAZYktkxd/2OJ534r3HXKTU5CQpoRQs6HGGOTE=; b=emqm0WJoA+AkJr2tJ5Y9YKXVNpCtbTAvuWNuaF1Nb/cvoGYKhZXlKN29F/IlgCxF3y S5Sn4JnKYv5Dete2wg/lu3dCk3C8xCNYy+cxUBsU/QlXfcgOszIvYiOgDb6aJSw1N7gH 831+Kc0847SCWwWxeJEgrWwkhA9PK5WFN7VpsAmundGPe5HfXtvHLa+uBNmxIL16dWyK TfDx7uN3c4gWEllUNI0nVcHB7dHeO+ZJGfe3gMfd8/6w1LfYClQA9UjN7FicZtNYD6Or 2EKcsq/W8SBgYcq3vlbz3I1mWPufgcdwsLsQEONz+FkV+12A6AS5O2YMCwqWaleMuHeX bSJw== Received: by 10.60.8.71 with SMTP id p7mr6516558oea.56.1348853326650; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fusionlt2834a.int.fusionio.com ([209.117.142.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm8859338obi.22.2012.09.28.10.28.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Warner Losh Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <201209281706.q8SH6Otr076349@grabthar.secnetix.de> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 11:28:40 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1574765E-53D7-47B0-AB34-1A948F7251CB@bsdimp.com> References: <201209281706.q8SH6Otr076349@grabthar.secnetix.de> To: Oliver Fromme X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmMfbw2FyDpq94xTPNXU2u2oGc3n3q2hRZXaw/LDSW/YAqppaqnrrXXVJ07SXfkS90A4MDu Cc: freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Looking for hardware advice X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:28:48 -0000 On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:06 AM, Oliver Fromme wrote: > Warner Losh wrote: >> The Atmel processors look good for this sort of thing. I've recently >> found either the Glomation SBC-9G20u or the Pico SAM9g45 to be good >> and not too expensive (the former is $55 and the latter is $70, at >> least shipping to the US). Although come to think of it the former >> runs on 5V. >=20 > Thanks for the pointers. They're a little larger than I > envisioned, but it should work if I don't find any better > options. The 9g20u is really small only 2.5" x 2.5". It supports USB for sure, = and GPIO I think (need to double check: the drivers are there don't know = if they are wired to userland). I have the larger 9g20 that's 3.75x3.5 = inches. It is USB 1 speeds through. The g45 has USB2 speed ports. If you don't need ethernet, there's a number of systems based on the = AT91SAM9RL, but I have no air miles on them since they don't have = ethernet. > Does FreeBSD support both of those boards out of the box, > including USB host ports and the GPIO pins? I believe so on the g20. Less sure what the state is on the g45 since I = just got mine recently. Warner > Best regards > Oliver >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. = M. > Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, = Gesch=E4ftsfuehrung: > secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht = M=FCn- > chen, HRB 125758, Gesch=E4ftsf=FChrer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf = Gebhart >=20 > FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: = http://www.secnetix.de/bsd >=20 > "A language that doesn't have everything is actually easier > to program in than some that do." > -- Dennis M. Ritchie From owner-freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 28 17:49:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D1B106566C for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:49:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org) Received: from duck.symmetricom.us (duck.symmetricom.us [206.168.13.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12CBB8FC08 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:49:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from damnhippie.dyndns.org (daffy.symmetricom.us [206.168.13.218]) by duck.symmetricom.us (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q8SHnf9Q050816 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 11:49:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org) Received: from [172.22.42.240] (revolution.hippie.lan [172.22.42.240]) by damnhippie.dyndns.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q8SHndWq068826; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 11:49:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org) From: Ian Lepore To: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <1574765E-53D7-47B0-AB34-1A948F7251CB@bsdimp.com> References: <201209281706.q8SH6Otr076349@grabthar.secnetix.de> <1574765E-53D7-47B0-AB34-1A948F7251CB@bsdimp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 11:49:39 -0600 Message-ID: <1348854579.1113.61.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Oliver Fromme , freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for hardware advice X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:49:42 -0000 On Fri, 2012-09-28 at 11:28 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > It supports USB for sure, and GPIO I think (need to double check: the drivers are there don't know if they are wired to userland). I have the larger 9g20 that's 3.75x3.5 inches. It is USB 1 speeds through. The g45 has USB2 speed ports. The atmel stuff doesn't export gpio access to userland right now (we should fix that soon), but I can hand off a patchset to anyone who needs it that adds a handful of IOCTLs to the at91_pio driver so that userland can access pretty much all the gpio features (but not in a way that maps into the standard /dev/gpio stuff). -- Ian From owner-freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 28 17:51:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B0FD106564A for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:51:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-oa0-f54.google.com (mail-oa0-f54.google.com [209.85.219.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71038FC0A for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:51:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by oagn9 with SMTP id n9so2378603oag.13 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:51:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=CGTXgMReFP18Am8r6HEo7T9CYoBg6E1pP8SmPb7h4fs=; b=nQY32+zv7Kr5xBNvqZieYR7eE82BLsLOjXHQm595/2JGfdbsRRZ3TyWbHihwSOi7Gn j6s4c+lZIVr4fuK1TQH4POYbl5BXNqRbo/qNCRS4S5rFq7bCtxhOA7JXwBoTVByBNRWw +1GUGHG+2WwL2FQ3T0QUFNdbwlUvi6FMyQE3MqNoxzuFA1p3Nsa8c4jME9Ewe2X1tude gZcUd2+6fH5pf4N/emZWn7jqJkj49PfK1gOYdcUciZ+VYXBw/gyYzgFR/DuCW5u4MoK4 qsbW1X63ikhSUAZdtzABq7T1lFa7bjl1Prb/zFmbqGFhCKiMd1f3rWrx3rCpxpbXerUR iFzQ== Received: by 10.60.12.167 with SMTP id z7mr6525342oeb.121.1348854686927; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fusionlt2834a.int.fusionio.com ([209.117.142.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g8sm8848594obc.11.2012.09.28.10.51.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Warner Losh Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <1574765E-53D7-47B0-AB34-1A948F7251CB@bsdimp.com> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 11:51:23 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <201209281706.q8SH6Otr076349@grabthar.secnetix.de> <1574765E-53D7-47B0-AB34-1A948F7251CB@bsdimp.com> To: Warner Losh X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnHk/J4MajeB+N4OP5oHUsCj61DyY2wQxvTT2fQApWaDp6DYTHEWRygY5+Xgxhn9A2sIRaJ Cc: Oliver Fromme , freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Looking for hardware advice X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:51:28 -0000 On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Warner Losh wrote: >=20 > On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:06 AM, Oliver Fromme wrote: >=20 >> Warner Losh wrote: >>> The Atmel processors look good for this sort of thing. I've = recently >>> found either the Glomation SBC-9G20u or the Pico SAM9g45 to be good >>> and not too expensive (the former is $55 and the latter is $70, at >>> least shipping to the US). Although come to think of it the former >>> runs on 5V. >>=20 >> Thanks for the pointers. They're a little larger than I >> envisioned, but it should work if I don't find any better >> options. >=20 > The 9g20u is really small only 2.5" x 2.5". It supports USB for sure, = and GPIO I think (need to double check: the drivers are there don't know = if they are wired to userland). I have the larger 9g20 that's 3.75x3.5 = inches. It is USB 1 speeds through. The g45 has USB2 speed ports. >=20 > If you don't need ethernet, there's a number of systems based on the = AT91SAM9RL, but I have no air miles on them since they don't have = ethernet. I thought about getting FreeBSD up on the FEZ Hydra main board, but it = is kinda small with only 4MB flash and 16MB of RAM. = http://www.ghielectronics.com/catalog/product/328 has more details. But = the hydra board is a bit larger. Also, if you want smaller, there's the Snapper 9g45 SODIMM shaped = module. = http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Blue-Water-Systems-Snapper-9G45, = which is only 2.7x1.0 inch. There's also a few on USB-sticks, but I = don't have time to look for them. = http://www.calao-systems.com/articles.php?lng=3Den&pg=3D5940 is a quick = pointer that might be supported by the QILA9G20 config. >> Does FreeBSD support both of those boards out of the box, >> including USB host ports and the GPIO pins? >=20 > I believe so on the g20. Less sure what the state is on the g45 since = I just got mine recently. >=20 > Warner >=20 >=20 >> Best regards >> Oliver >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing = b. M. >> Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, = Gesch=E4ftsfuehrung: >> secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht = M=FCn- >> chen, HRB 125758, Gesch=E4ftsf=FChrer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf = Gebhart >>=20 >> FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: = http://www.secnetix.de/bsd >>=20 >> "A language that doesn't have everything is actually easier >> to program in than some that do." >> -- Dennis M. Ritchie >=20 From owner-freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 29 21:24:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B901065673 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 21:24:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@grabthar.secnetix.de) Received: from grabthar.secnetix.de (grabthar.secnetix.de [212.17.241.225]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871B98FC14 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 21:24:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from grabthar.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grabthar.secnetix.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q8TLO1tC048432; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 23:24:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by grabthar.secnetix.de (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q8TLO0se048431; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 23:24:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 23:24:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <201209292124.q8TLO0se048431@grabthar.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.ORG, Warner Losh In-Reply-To: X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-embedded User-Agent: tin/2.0.1-20111224 ("Achenvoir") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/9.1-PRERELEASE-20120811 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Re: Looking for hardware advice X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 21:24:11 -0000 Warner Losh wrote: > On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Warner Losh wrote: > > On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:06 AM, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > > Thanks for the pointers. They're a little larger than I > > > envisioned, but it should work if I don't find any better > > > options. > > > > The 9g20u is really small only 2.5" x 2.5". It supports USB for > > sure, and GPIO I think (need to double check: the drivers are there > > don't know if they are wired to userland). I have the larger 9g20 > > that's 3.75x3.5 inches. It is USB 1 speeds through. The g45 has > > USB2 speed ports. Oh, sorry, I only saw the larger 9g20. I didn't notice the 9g20u; 2.5" x 2.5" is definitely better. Well, the smaller the better. :-) > I thought about getting FreeBSD up on the FEZ Hydra main board, > but it is kinda small with only 4MB flash and 16MB of RAM. I think 16 MB is a little tight. It might be doable, but I'd prefer to avoid having to spend extra time to squeeze everything in that space. 64 MB is more like what I had in mind. > Also, if you want smaller, there's the Snapper 9g45 SODIMM shaped > module. > http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Blue-Water-Systems-Snapper-9G45, > which is only 2.7x1.0 inch. There's also a few on USB-sticks, but > I don't have time to look for them. > http://www.calao-systems.com/articles.php?lng=en&pg=5940 is a quick > pointer that might be supported by the QILA9G20 config. Wow. 2.7 x 1.0 ist great, that would give me a lot more flexibility with my project. I'd be interested to hear if anybody is actually running FreeBSD on such a small thing successfully. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "C is quirky, flawed, and an enormous success." -- Dennis M. Ritchie.