From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 22 00:09:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA63106564A for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 00:09:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA048FC08 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 00:09:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id q3M0ANH6081375 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:10:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:10:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201204220010.q3M0ANH6081375@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20120421220703.86683bc9.freebsd@edvax.de> Subject: Re: converting UTF-8 to HTML X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 00:09:57 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 09:10:03 -0500 (CDT), Lars Eighner wrote: > > On Sat, 21 Apr 2012, Erik Nurgaard wrote: > > > > > When characters show up wrong in the users browser it's usually > > > because the browser is set to use a non-UTF-8 charset by default > > > such as windows-1252, the web server sends the charset=ascii in > > > the http header and there is no or incorrect meta tag to resolve > > > the problem. Non UTF-8 charsets are a leftover from last millenia > > > that we sometimes still choke on .. sorry the rant ;) > > > > UTF-8 is a waste of storage for most people and is incompatiple with > > text-mode tools: it's simple another bid to make it impossible to run > > without a GUI. > > Regarding the fun of encodings, endianness, representation, > use ("fi" the two letters vs. "fi" the ligature, or "a" > the 1-byte sequence vs. "a" the two-byte sequence), see > the following document: > > Matt Mayer: Love Hotels and Unicode > http://www.reigndesign.com/blog/love-hotels-and-unicode/ > > And finally it offers an interesting attack vector, given > the fact that several unicode characters "look" the same, > but in fact are different. So "two files with the 'same' > name" is a possible means that malware implementers can > utilize to mislead the users. > > Short example from MICROS~1 land here: > http://blogs.technet.com/b/mmpc/archive/2011/08/10/can-we-believe-our-eyes.aspx > > But this all doesn't negate the usefulness of unicode / UTF-8 > in general. Especially when you have collaborative settings > with multi-language document processing requirements, it > is a helpful thing, as working with "normal" (ASCII) letters, > cyrillic ones, chinese and japanese symbols, arabic writing > is no big deal as long as all the tools do properly support > it the _same_ way. > Sorry, but UTF-8 is a *botch*, to put it charitably. Correction -- UTF-8 is a particular implementation of the botch that is 'variable-width encoding' representation of the glyphs used to represent printed information. "Variable-width ecoding" destroys the concept of addressibility -within- a text. And, therefore, 'random access'/'direct access' is impossible. Ditto for concepts like 'read backwards'. Not to mention the inevitable, and UNAVOIDABLE problems that occur when the 'encoding' used for a particular set of data is not represented *IN* the dataset (or in inextricably-coupled 'metadata'). When one has to 'guess' what the encoding for a particular file is. 'Assume' -- with all that -that- word implies -- a particular encoding, when the data is actually encoded with something 'different', and you can encounter 'illegal' (in the 'assumed' encoding) byte sequences, from which there is *NO* means of recovery -- since the 'interpreter' can't tell how long the 'illegal' code is, it can't tell where the 'next' symbol should start, and and it just _stops_cold_ ... an apparent 'end of file'. I have had _that_ particular ufortunate experience, with an 'encoding-aware' text editor (On a Debain Linux system, if it matters), which, on exit _SILENTLY_ *truncated* the originl file at the point of the 'illegal' symbol. The -correct- solution -- if you are in an environment where you need more glyphs than can be represented by a single byte -- is to use *fixed-width* multi-byte symbols for _everything_. This is "relatively easy" to implement within a single 'system' (be it a single machine, or 'corporate wide'), but makes for major difficulities when 'external' communication is involved. There is, unfortunately, simply -no- simple solution for that problem. :(( From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 22 00:12:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FF3106566C for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 00:12:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3528FC17 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 00:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SLkPJ-0002X0-Lo for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 02:12:01 +0200 Received: from dtmd-4d052b23.pool.mediaways.net ([77.5.43.35]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 02:12:01 +0200 Received: from christian.baer by dtmd-4d052b23.pool.mediaways.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 02:12:01 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Baer Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 02:11:49 +0200 Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <4F917E90.9000205@uni-dortmund.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: dtmd-4d052b23.pool.mediaways.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101125 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.11 In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: recommendation(s) for new computer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 00:12:05 -0000 On 22.04.2012 01:04, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > REALLY - i an for a long time not up to date what is "modern" today, as > FreeBSD and software i use works lightning fast on ANY new computer you > can buy today - if it works at all. [...] > The real problem is graphics. I do not have any need of high performance > 3D, my laptop and my intel atom based desktop both have integrated intel > based GFX. it just works. no tweaking, no messing, no binary drivers, no > trash, no 32-bit only etc. > i am not sure if dual core intel atom E525 would keep up with full HD > video playing. Probably but i am not sure. Anything stronger will for sure. Thanks for your post, but I am not sure what you are trying to tell me. I wrote down the (more or less) complete configuration to give people a chance to comment on it - should they see a need. The main question was about the graphics part. If you do not use or require high performance 3D, that is fine. I intend to use it - mainly for gaming unter Windows. And if I have an expensive graphics board in my computer I want it to be at least of some use and fun under FreeBSD. Regards, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 22 04:52:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25069106566C for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 04:52:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounce@howtorubit.com) Received: from ironport.genesisadaptive.net (ironport.genesisadaptive.net [64.250.112.60]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDB98FC0C for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 04:52:00 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,461,1330927200"; d="scan'208,217";a="23570019" Received: from unknown (HELO www.howtorubit.com) ([204.93.166.32]) by ironport.genesisadaptive.net with ESMTP; 21 Apr 2012 23:52:46 -0500 To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <511d6108ab7bd170f12b9af1be4b9c00@www.howtorubit.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 02:18:24 +0000 From: "gbmovie" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer-LID: 27 X-Mailer-RecptId: 1283799 X-Mailer-SID: 31 X-Mailer-Sent-By: 1 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: The biggest mag^ic ga^me since the beginning of time, which is making the entire world go crazy X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: game@gbmovie.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 04:52:01 -0000 In the following text, you will find many many names. You can choose only… 5… no more… no less. You have only one sh^ot to choose them. The second time it will not work, the mag^ic will be gone. The names you have chosen will give you the answers to some questions you have been dealing with for a very long time that only you know about. You will not believe what is happening in front of your eyes. Don’t even try to understand how it works, you stand no cha^nce. The best minds are busy trying, and nobody is even close. Choose the names you want then copy and paste them, follow the instructions after the following lists (some names are with ^ sign in them; please ignore it and delete it when you copy them): Names: Michael; Jessica; Christopher; Ashley; Matthew; Brittany; Joshua; Amanda; Daniel; Samantha; David; Sarah; Andrew; Stephanie; Ames; Jennifer; Justin; Elizabeth; Joseph; Lauren; Ryan; Megan; John; Emily; Robert; Nicole; Nicholas; Kayla; Anthony; Amber; William; Rachel; Jonathan; Courtney; Kyle; Danielle; Brandon; Heather; Jacob; Melissa; Tyler; Rebecca; Chary; Michelle; Kevin; Tiffany; Eric; Chelsea; Steven; Christina; Thomas; Katherine; Brian; Alyssa; Alexander; Jasmine; Jordan; Laura; Timothy; Hannah; Cody; Kimberly; Adam; Kelsey; Benjamin; Victoria; Aaron; Sara; Richard; Mary; Patrick; Erica; Sean; Alexandra; Charles; Amy; Stephen; Crystal; Jeremy; Andrea; Jose; Kelly; Travis; Kristen; Jeffrey; Erin; Nathan; Brittney; Samuel; Anna; Mark; Taylor; Jason; Maria; Jesse; Allison; Paul; Cassandra; Dustin; Caitlin. Movies: Bruce Almighty; Forest Gump; Big; Koyaanisqatsi; What the Bleep Do We Know!?; Amadeus; Gandhi; Siddhartha; Requiem for a Dream; Hit^ler: The Rise of Evil; Schindler's List; The Pianist; Monty Python; The Phantom of the Ope^ra; Close Encounters of the Third Kind; Threshold; Doc^tor Who; Billy Elliot; Waterland; Flying High; The Mask; Timecop; 9.5 Weeks; Paycheck; Men in Black; Ghostbusters; Dune; 24; Vanilla Sky; Taken; Andromeda; Spanglish; E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial; A.I. Artificial Intelligence; 2001: A Space Odyssey; Brazil; Scarface; The Godfather; Legally Blond; The Princess Diaries; Cinderella Man; Rocky; The Double Life of Veronique; Cine^ma Paradiso; Green Card; Pulp Fiction; Saturday Night Fever; Grease; Dawson's Creek; I Robot; The Hitchhiker's Gui^de to the Galaxy; Hair; Marry Poppins; Casablanca; 1984; Planet of the Apes; Basic Instinct; Species; Gladiator; Rain Man; Finding Neverland; The Chronicles of Narnia; Heroes; The X-Files; Ally McBeal; The West Wing; Pretty Woman. Companies: Starbucks; Dunkin’; McDonald's; KFC; Costco; Chase; JetBlue; Samsung; Google; Microsoft; Calvin Klein; Hugo Boss; Honda; Sony; Kellogg’s; Coca-Cola; Kraft foods; AT&T; Netflix; Lenovo; Logitech; Delta. Actors: David Duchovny; Brooke Skye; Ben Stiller; John Travolta; Liv Tyler; Richard Gere; Nicole Kidman; Michelle Pfeiffer; Sylvester Stallone; Van Damme; Harrison Ford; Cher; Jack Nicholson; Jennifer Ariston; Woody Allen. Mu^sic: Enigma; Deep Forest, Era; Bowie; Genesis; Yes; Minimal Compact; Peter Hammill; Faithless; Yahel; Infected Mushroom; The Cure; Kate Bush; Air Supply; Bee Gees; Robert Wyatt; The Velvet Underg^round; The Legendary Pi^nk Dots; Nick Cave; Adiemus; Buddha Bar; Seal, Vengo; Bartok, Purcell. Stockhausen; Philip Glass; Arvo Part; Eminem; Alphaville; Madonna; The Alan Parsons Project; Enya; Emma Shapplin; Thomas Otten; Steve Reich; Julee Cru^ise; Sarah Brightman; Made To Measure; Tuxedomoon; Oliver Shanti; Sacred Spirit; Mike Oldfield; Dao Dezi; Abba; Poliker; Jasmin Even; Hair; Pixies; The Doors; Peter Gabriel; Project Pitchfork; John Cale. General: love; ha^te; dan^ce; hot; dark; mother; guitar; mu^sic; sugar. Now you have your 5 words. Remember that the mag^ic works only one time and only if you follow the rules of the ga^me exactly as they are presented. The place you will be directed to has 5 blank fields. In each one copy and paste one of your choosing. Then hit the search key. You will get 5 paragraphs to read. Together they are joined into a short story, built especially for… you. Good lu^ck - But just remember one thing; there is no such thing. Follow the link: http://www.howtorubit.com/link.php?M=1283799&N=31&L=29&F=T http://www.howtorubit.com/unsubscribe.php?M=1283799&C=ba7c209c779deed02e8854286befbda0&L=27&N=31 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 22 09:17:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09441106564A for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 09:17:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD24A8FC12 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 09:17:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gamma.lan.locolomo.org (gamma.lan.locolomo.org [192.168.0.33]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 01A121C0841; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:17:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4F93CC95.5050209@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:17:09 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Erik_N=F8rgaard?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Eighner References: <20120421055823.GA6788@tinyCurrent> <4F9253D7.7010609@locolomo.org> <4F9278A2.1020301@locolomo.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: converting UTF-8 to HTML X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 09:17:19 -0000 On 21/04/2012 16:10, Lars Eighner wrote: > UTF-8 is a waste of storage for most people and is incompatiple with > text-mode tools: it's simple another bid to make it impossible to run > without a GUI. UTF-8 is variable with, ascii characters are stored as single bytes (not sure about iso-8859-1) while other characters are stored as two byte chars. If your text tools cannot display certain or all UTF-8 characters it is for one of the following reasons: it is either because the application does not support UTF-8, the display table is missing some characters, or the limited display capabilities of terminal/console mode and the complexity of that particular glyph. Neither of the first two cases are an agument against UTF-8, it's a it's an implementation issue, send a bug report or feature request to the developer. In the last case, I hope you're not saying that we should limit the fredom of expression to what can be expressed in console mode? :P Cheers, Erik -- M: +34 666 334 818 T: +34 915 211 157 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 22 10:45:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 505D01065675 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:45:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A480B8FC12 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3MAjr5x073833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:45:54 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q3MAjr5x073833 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1335091554; bh=X3u5tuakToPBxhUtkBAiENEaM9Q5R5ZcZE/MUVOQ7UI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Cc:Content-Type: Message-ID:Mime-Version; b=H1apqH3BGq/FANTxgwsglc39kZBo29e4TpNl37MTiA1obThTGS/UVqJJ2cvihPwXK NT84OFezsj+i2O38aeLYb9DHIY4SbxjHce2SV9JfXXU/Q67ZHX8f62TUXXrDzydUxG K2/8tGK5RLR8nrx9hGB9XmbFj8lvZ+zyJwjjVgIs= Message-ID: <4F93E159.7020807@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:45:45 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120421055823.GA6788@tinyCurrent> <4F9253D7.7010609@locolomo.org> <4F9278A2.1020301@locolomo.org> <4F93CC95.5050209@locolomo.org> In-Reply-To: <4F93CC95.5050209@locolomo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigBE8224C100E6251ECE879E77" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.4 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_ADSP_ALL,DKIM_SIGNED,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: converting UTF-8 to HTML X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:45:59 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigBE8224C100E6251ECE879E77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 22/04/2012 10:17, Erik N=F8rgaard wrote: > UTF-8 is variable with, ascii characters are stored as single bytes (no= t > sure about iso-8859-1) while other characters are stored as two byte ch= ars. ascii uses the low 128 values that you can assign to an unsigned char, ie. those where the high-order bit is zero. iso-8859-1 and the various other iso-8859-X character sets fill in the remaining 128 characters with various other glyphs useful in latin alphabets, so it's still one char per glyph. Other alphabets (greek, cyrillic, etc) have similar one byte-per glyph encodings. But you have to know what the encoding is to display the content correctly, and it is difficult to mix chunks of text in different encodings in the same docume= nt. UTF has various different forms, based on different word sizes, but the commonly used UTF-8 works in units of 1-byte chars. However, glyphs may be represented by sequences of from 1 to 4 bytes. The 1-byte glyphs are identical to ascii. Any byte with the high-order bit set indicates the beginning of a multibyte glyph -- the number of bytes is indicated by the bit pattern of the first byte and all the other bytes of that glyph will have the high order bit set. All million-plus glyphs available through Unicode can be expressed this way, so the encoding is universal and suitable for all languages and alphabets or non-alphabetic languages.= Not all possible byte sequences are valid UTF-8 text, but the design of the encoding means that an interpreter can skip over an invalid sequence of bytes and find the beginning of the next valid sequence easily. Whoever it was upthread had the misfortune to run into a text editor that just gave up and truncated their document at an invalid sequence needs to vent their ire on the lazy and stupid programmers of whatever app it was, rather than on the concept of UTF-8 itself. Yes, with UTF-8 encoded text, you can no-longer equate the number of glyphs[*] in a piece of text (and hence the space required to display the text) with the memory required to store that text. There's a lot of legacy code out there which makes this assumption, but this is overshadowed by the amount of legacy code out there which can only handle ascii text. Fixing all that code is pretty long-winded, but not conceptually too difficult. Programming a text-only display to assume everything is UTF-8 would be quite viable, and backwardly compatible with ascii-only displays. The hard part is creating a font with a more-or-less complete set of Unicode glyphs. Cheers, Matthew [*] Let's not even mention the concept of 'combining characters' here. --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigBE8224C100E6251ECE879E77 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+T4WAACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzOmgCfUBg1eIOuCYblRHCct3xBX7MZ eLYAn1oBBmoAi6DGL37siUceAboi9aGA =VQj4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigBE8224C100E6251ECE879E77-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 22 11:06:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D29106566B for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:06:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E181D8FC43 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-124-250.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.124.250]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D591E923; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:06:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q3MB6gou010707; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:06:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:06:42 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Matthew Seaman Message-Id: <20120422130642.cb5b09c2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4F93E159.7020807@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <20120421055823.GA6788@tinyCurrent> <4F9253D7.7010609@locolomo.org> <4F9278A2.1020301@locolomo.org> <4F93CC95.5050209@locolomo.org> <4F93E159.7020807@infracaninophile.co.uk> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: converting UTF-8 to HTML X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:06:50 -0000 On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:45:45 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 22/04/2012 10:17, Erik N=F8rgaard wrote: > > UTF-8 is variable with, ascii characters are stored as single bytes (not > > sure about iso-8859-1) while other characters are stored as two byte ch= ars. >=20 > ascii uses the low 128 values that you can assign to an unsigned char, > ie. those where the high-order bit is zero. >=20 > iso-8859-1 and the various other iso-8859-X character sets fill in the > remaining 128 characters with various other glyphs useful in latin > alphabets, so it's still one char per glyph. Other alphabets (greek, > cyrillic, etc) have similar one byte-per glyph encodings. But you have > to know what the encoding is to display the content correctly, and it is > difficult to mix chunks of text in different encodings in the same docume= nt. How about the "extended ASCII character set" that has a mixture of "non-US glyphs" and semi-graphic symbols? http://asciiset.com/extended.gif This default layout isn't tied to a specific encoding, if I remember correctly, or is it? Accessing the set as seen in the picture allows using "special character" from many languages, such as german umlauts and eszett, greek gamma and phi, danish o-slash, swedish a-circle and even the yen symbol. And the nice semi-graphic symbols to draw boxes and backgrounds, as well as card deck symbols or the "lazy L". Of course, there are no arabic or chinese letters in there, so it can be seen as a "roman-derived language" centrism (targeting europe and america in the first place). All of them are natively supported by graphic cards when running in text mode, if my assumption is correct. So this "extended set of capabilities" still is the most-minimum common functionality that one can rely on. (FreeBSD remaps some of the characters in text mode to display the semi-graphic mouse pointer, so the full set cannot be used all the time.) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d63sm55233982yhh.17.2012.04.22.04.47.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 22 Apr 2012 04:47:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3Vb8D51LSQz2CG5d for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 07:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 07:47:00 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120422074700.57b8b5d7@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <4F902748.7050400@ShaneWare.Biz> <20120420112612.18b71440@scorpio> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnyeiVIl/tRQP4mNBuDN6ug0i1jlPvNaZpJlWwIyCXV0dsMLU3jsC9IyCpRpUnjVtZpi1Sm Subject: Re: blu ray recorders X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:47:11 -0000 On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 01:08:02 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: >>> Even Windows can then see it properly, but FreeBSD shows multiple >>> files. >> >> Try filing a PR against it. Perhaps somebody might actually look into >> it. >> > >i've got info it is already known, but thanks anyway. Really, what PR is that? I could not find one that specifically dealt with it; although I most probably missed it. Obviously you must know which one it is. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 22 12:04:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7EC106567A for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:04:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kenneth.hatteland@kleppnett.no) Received: from asav4.lyse.net (asav4.lyse.net [81.167.36.150]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB098FC0C for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:04:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asav4.lyse.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19A66C0B3 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:43:37 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at lyse.net Received: from terra.hatteland1.org (129.81-166-80.customer.lyse.net [81.166.80.129]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: kenneth.hatteland@kleppnett.no) by asav4.lyse.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637236C097 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:43:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4F93EEE3.5040809@kleppnett.no> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:43:31 +0200 From: Kenneth Hatteland User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.3) Gecko/20120321 Thunderbird/10.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Dual monitors ok, but no mouse and keyboard action on the slave screen X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:04:41 -0000 I`ve gotten a 17 inch monitor in addition to my 22 inch working with 2 separate desktops. I plan to have stuff like wireshark etc on the smallest. But I have a problem, I can get no work done since I have no mouse or keyboard working on the 17"... Anyone have somewhere with a solution to point me towards ? Blessed be.. Kenneth Hatteland From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 22 12:33:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECDD0106564A for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:33:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639AF8FC15 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:33:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3MCXfub075497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:33:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q3MCXfub075497 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1335098022; bh=aQX5BSXOZDr8Apg55I63HzcL6DOhsbfmkEdrdqInNlY=; h=Date:From:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type: Message-ID:Mime-Version; b=Ys2/TOg0pFWZCFK5Y+ER9BjAHzBzUeQahHvv7vXI3xprJgz2X8n0yNqwIsVMgxZPJ 8c77UWLWcrKaBvERqxOt86tt9Ho1ll9DKl22apSbhihIg7Imtwlrd6dBoqSDv6ld3O Rf7rqo9q/3UUeoQBWQSrW58zI7AVBC1FbpiP5DjI= Message-ID: <4F93FA9E.80309@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:33:34 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <20120421055823.GA6788@tinyCurrent> <4F9253D7.7010609@locolomo.org> <4F9278A2.1020301@locolomo.org> <4F93CC95.5050209@locolomo.org> <4F93E159.7020807@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20120422130642.cb5b09c2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120422130642.cb5b09c2.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigDB004D3DB89819382AE7D2A5" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.4 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_ADSP_ALL,DKIM_SIGNED,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: converting UTF-8 to HTML X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:33:52 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigDB004D3DB89819382AE7D2A5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 22/04/2012 12:06, Polytropon wrote: > How about the "extended ASCII character set" that has a mixture > of "non-US glyphs" and semi-graphic symbols? >=20 > http://asciiset.com/extended.gif >=20 > This default layout isn't tied to a specific encoding, if I > remember correctly, or is it? Accessing the set as seen in the > picture allows using "special character" from many languages, > such as german umlauts and eszett, greek gamma and phi, > danish o-slash, swedish a-circle and even the yen symbol. > And the nice semi-graphic symbols to draw boxes and backgrounds, > as well as card deck symbols or the "lazy L". Yeah. It's just a compromise 1-byte per glyph character set designed to support the wealthier bits of Western Europe as well as the USA, from back when the cost of supporting all sorts of different locales was really expensive compared to the expected sales of equipment in them. Doesn't have a =E2=82=AC symbol as far as I can see. I doubt it would go= down well in =C5=81=C3=B3d=C5=BA either. Nor =CE=91=CE=B8=CE=AE=CE=BD=CE=B1 a= s it doesn't have a complete Greek alphabet. Most of the Greek letters are there to support their use as mathematical symbols. It was a reasonable compromise back in the late 1980's but if anyone came up with this as a serious proposal today, they'd just get laughed at= =2E Given that China and India are going to become /the/ big economies within the next several years, only having a limited anglo-centric system like that will be a significant obstacle to future popularity. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigDB004D3DB89819382AE7D2A5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+T+qUACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxvuACggsymac1T3ZfL8JUYMld/ryjC 0nEAn3rxsE8xdStLBn5f0k3mSiYhT5ZG =MxsY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigDB004D3DB89819382AE7D2A5-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 22 12:56:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 380331065670 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:56:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8AE8FC16 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:56:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gamma.lan.locolomo.org (gamma.lan.locolomo.org [192.168.0.33]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D47EF1C0841 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:56:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4F93FFEE.4040905@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:56:14 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Erik_N=F8rgaard?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120421055823.GA6788@tinyCurrent> <4F9253D7.7010609@locolomo.org> <4F9278A2.1020301@locolomo.org> <4F93CC95.5050209@locolomo.org> <4F93E159.7020807@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20120422130642.cb5b09c2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120422130642.cb5b09c2.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: converting UTF-8 to HTML X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:56:16 -0000 On 22/04/2012 13:06, Polytropon wrote: > How about the "extended ASCII character set" that has a mixture > of "non-US glyphs" and semi-graphic symbols? > > http://asciiset.com/extended.gif I can't even write my name in that character set. As long as there are multiple charactersets you will have the problem of some characters being shown wrong. This is nothing particular for UTF-8, you have the problem even when choosing between the 10+ different ISO-8859. The only thing that UTF-8 introduce is the variable byte length characters so you can't equate no. bytes with no. characters. Cheers, Erik -- M: +34 666 334 818 T: +34 915 211 157 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 22 14:30:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D08B106564A for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:30:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099268FC14 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:30:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.72]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 048B816B4BB; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 09:30:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 09:29:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 09:29:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.6dollardialup.com To: Matthew Seaman In-Reply-To: <4F93E159.7020807@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: References: <20120421055823.GA6788@tinyCurrent> <4F9253D7.7010609@locolomo.org> <4F9278A2.1020301@locolomo.org> <4F93CC95.5050209@locolomo.org> <4F93E159.7020807@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="21774345-661023907-1335104970=:9143" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: converting UTF-8 to HTML X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:30:26 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --21774345-661023907-1335104970=:9143 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Sun, 22 Apr 2012, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 22/04/2012 10:17, Erik N=F8rgaard wrote: >> UTF-8 is variable with, ascii characters are stored as single bytes (not >> sure about iso-8859-1) while other characters are stored as two byte cha= rs. > > ascii uses the low 128 values that you can assign to an unsigned char, > ie. those where the high-order bit is zero. > > Programming a text-only display to assume > everything is UTF-8 would be quite viable, and backwardly compatible > with ascii-only displays. The hardware doesn't exist to display UTF-8 characters in text MODE. The whole point of avoiding GUIs is rasterized and GUI fonts cannot put 4000 characters on a screen as legibly as VGA does (not to mention the performance hit the rasterization and GUIs deliver). One look at recent Linux distributions which make it all but impossible to reach text MODE because they had the thought that sticking a rasterized white-on-black font on the screen (via yet another kernel module) would be "just as good" as VGA should amply demonstrate the point. 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If you wish to unsubscribe, here you are.=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 22 20:56:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89E8A106566C for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:56:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net [207.145.128.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A548FC12 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.53]) by asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C298CA70368 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 16:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18523 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2012 20:56:02 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 14994, pid: 1130, t: 0.1394s scanners: clamav: 0.88.2/m:52/d:13495 Received: from unknown (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 22 Apr 2012 20:56:02 -0000 Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.8]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB4833C1E; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 16:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id F200B39849; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 16:55:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Antonio Olivares References: Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 16:55:55 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Antonio Olivares's message of "Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:06:48 -0500") Message-ID: <44wr57ebac.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: find sources to build Handbook and FAQ for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:56:09 -0000 Antonio Olivares writes: > Does anyone know where the source(s) for the FreeBSD Handbook and > FreeBSD FAQ are found? The best approach for you is probably the supfile in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/doc-supfile Which is documented in the in the fdp-primer, the FreeBSD Handbook... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 22 23:53:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1313D106566B for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:53:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64EB8FC0A for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-124-250.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.124.250]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C722524E; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 01:53:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q3MNr7Fe001933; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 01:53:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 01:53:07 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Kenneth Hatteland Message-Id: <20120423015307.91d26d6c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4F93EEE3.5040809@kleppnett.no> References: <4F93EEE3.5040809@kleppnett.no> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dual monitors ok, but no mouse and keyboard action on the slave screen X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:53:10 -0000 On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:43:31 +0200, Kenneth Hatteland wrote: > I`ve gotten a 17 inch monitor in addition to my 22 inch working with 2 > separate desktops. I plan to have stuff like wireshark etc on the > smallest. But I have a problem, I can get no work done since I have no > mouse or keyboard working on the 17"... > > Anyone have somewhere with a solution to point me towards ? There are basically two kind of two-monitor settings: One is to have the WM manage them, the other one is to "concatenate" them to one "logical screen". I've been using the "concatenated screen" with two 21" CRTs, each running at 1400x1050, so the result was a 2800x1050 ultra extended extraordinary super hyper big wide screen. :-) You can configure this in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf (which you can have X auto-generate). For example, "ServerLayout" could contain Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 Screen 1 "Screen1" LeftOf "Screen0" Option "Xinerama" "on" Then add the two "Monitor" sections according to the screen parameters (in my case, identical data). In the final "Screen" section, you can then experiment with Option "TwinView" Option "TwinViewOrientation" "LeftOf" Option "ConnectedMonitor" "CRT, CRT" depending on your actual connection setup. You can find more inspiration here: Dual head issues, non-xinerama setup possible? http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=11567 Dual monitor setup http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/2005-January/005613.html Dual monitors xorg.conf http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2005-May/087929.html Using two monitors with X.org http://www.freebsddiary.org/xorg-two-screens.php Many things to consider depend on your actual setting (which hardware you have, what WM you use and which behaviour you want). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 23 00:04:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F6631065674 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:04:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 260E78FC0C for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:04:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q3MNe5n8061362; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:40:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id q3MNe4XG061356; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:40:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:40:04 -0400 (EDT) From: doug To: Mark Felder In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4F917E90.9000205@uni-dortmund.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: recommendation(s) for new computer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: doug@safeport.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:04:09 -0000 On Fri, 20 Apr 2012, Mark Felder wrote: > On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:34:11 -0500, Dale Scott wrote: > >> As do Intel (video) drivers.... > > Not if they require GEM/KMS like all the modern variants do; they're not > supported in FreeBSD yet. I have a laptop (Google CR48) that's running the > very experimental GEM/KMS code because otherwise it's stuck with a horrible > resolution. Even with a custom kernel and custom ports/X11 patches it still > has quirks like not being able to get your vty back after you start X. Is there a PR on this, or at least are the developers aware of it? I could not find a PR. I am running an out-of-the-box 9.0. I tested xorg 7.5 with nothing else other than xdm installed does and got this result. This makes it impossible to investigate any other issues that might arise. My setup: FreeBSD artemis.boltsys.com 9.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE #0: Tue Jan 3 07:46:30 UTC 2012 root@farrell.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 xorg-7.5.1 xdm-1.1.11 twm-1.0.7 xorg.conf Section "Monitor" #DisplaySize 410 260 # mm Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "ACR" ModelName "AL1916W" HorizSync 30.0 - 82.0 VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0 Option "DPMS" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Card0" Driver "radeon" VendorName "ATI Technologies Inc" BoardName "Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310]" BusID "PCI:0:1:0" EndSection From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 23 02:44:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91B91065673 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 02:44:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69ED98FC0C for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 02:44:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3N2i6C2066008; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:44:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q3N2i65g066005; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:44:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:44:06 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20120423015307.91d26d6c.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <4F93EEE3.5040809@kleppnett.no> <20120423015307.91d26d6c.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:44:06 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Kenneth Hatteland , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dual monitors ok, but no mouse and keyboard action on the slave screen X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 02:44:11 -0000 On Mon, 23 Apr 2012, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:43:31 +0200, Kenneth Hatteland wrote: >> I`ve gotten a 17 inch monitor in addition to my 22 inch working with 2 >> separate desktops. I plan to have stuff like wireshark etc on the >> smallest. But I have a problem, I can get no work done since I have no >> mouse or keyboard working on the 17"... >> >> Anyone have somewhere with a solution to point me towards ? > > There are basically two kind of two-monitor settings: One > is to have the WM manage them, the other one is to "concatenate" > them to one "logical screen". > > I've been using the "concatenated screen" with two 21" CRTs, > each running at 1400x1050, so the result was a 2800x1050 > ultra extended extraordinary super hyper big wide screen. :-) > > You can configure this in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf (which you > can have X auto-generate). > > For example, "ServerLayout" could contain > > Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 > Screen 1 "Screen1" LeftOf "Screen0" > Option "Xinerama" "on" The newer way to do this is with a Virtual entry in the Screen section: Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "HWP" ModelName "2615" Option "PreferredMode" "1920x1200" Option "Position" "1280 0" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor1" VendorName "SAM" ModelName "215" Option "PreferredMode" "1280x1024" Option "Position" "0 0" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Card0" Monitor "Monitor0" SubSection "Display" Virtual 3200 1200 EndSubSection EndSection From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 23 07:43:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4FCC106564A for ; 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Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:43:00 +0200 Message-ID: From: n dhert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: upgrade of portupgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:43:01 -0000 Today, my nightly run of portsnap informed me there is un update for: # pkg_version -vIL= portupgrade-2.4.9.3.2 < needs updating (index has 2.4.9.3_1,2) Since there is no special entry in /usr/ports/UPDATING about the portupgrade update, I started my weekly # portupgrade -yaRrpb this gives: ... ---> Upgrade of ports-mgmt/portupgrade started at: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:37:14 +0 200 ---> Upgrading 'portupgrade-2.4.9.3,2' to 'portupgrade-2.4.9.3_1,2' (ports-mgmt /portupgrade) ---> Build of ports-mgmt/portupgrade started at: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:37:14 +020 0 ---> Building '/usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade' ===> Cleaning for portupgrade-2.4.9.3_1,2^M ===> License BSD accepted by the user^M ===> Found saved configuration for portupgrade-2.4.6,2^M ===> Extracting for portupgrade-2.4.9.3_1,2^M => SHA256 Checksum mismatch for pkgtools-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2.^M ===> Refetch for 1 more times files: pkgtools-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2 ^M ===> License BSD accepted by the user^M ===> Found saved configuration for portupgrade-2.4.6,2^M => pkgtools-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2 doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/.^M => Attempting to fetch http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/project/portupgrade/pkgt ools/2.4.9.3/pkgtools-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2^M fetch: http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/project/portupgrade/pkgtools/2.4.9.3/pkg tools-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2: Moved Temporarily^M it does 5 more at other places, then => Attempting to fetch http://freefr.dl.sourceforge.net/project/portupgrade/pkgt ools/2.4.9.3/pkgtools-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2^M fetch: pkgtools-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2: local file (79394 bytes) is longer than remote file (79377 bytes)^M ... then 10 more 'Attempting to fetch' with Moved temporarily then => Attempting to fetch ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/pkgtool s-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2^M ===> License BSD accepted by the user^M ===> Found saved configuration for portupgrade-2.4.6,2^M => SHA256 Checksum mismatch for pkgtools-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2.^M ===> Giving up on fetching files: pkgtools-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2 ^M Make sure the Makefile and distinfo file (/usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade/dist info)^M are up to date. If you are absolutely sure you want to override this^M check, type "make NO_CHECKSUM=yes [other args]".^M *** Error code 1^M ^M Stop in /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade.^M *** Error code 1^M ^M Stop in /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade.^M *** Error code 1^M ^M Stop in /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade.^M ---> Build of ports-mgmt/portupgrade ended at: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:37:45 +0200 (consumed 00:00:30) ---> Upgrade of ports-mgmt/portupgrade ended at: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:37:45 +020 0 (consumed 00:00:30) What's this problem with pkgtools ??? I have a $ ls -la /usr/ports/distfiles/pkgtools-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 79394 Aug 23 2011 /usr/ports/distfiles/pkgtools-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2 but no 2.4.9.3_1,2 version And, strange: if I try http://www.freebsd.org/ports, Search for pkgtools in All it finds nothing ??? Isn't that package described ?? What's going on here and how to solve it ?? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 23 09:24:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA93106566C for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:24:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:44b8:8060:ff02:300:1:6:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 430AB8FC15 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:24:31 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap4EANselU/LevdH/2dsb2JhbABEskuCCQEBBAE4QRALGAkTAw8JAwIBAgFFBg0BBwEBBYgBBLlvkTMEiGGYWYR+gnmBTA Received: from ppp247-71.static.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([203.122.247.71]) by ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 23 Apr 2012 18:54:29 +0930 Message-ID: <4F951F1D.3030604@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:51:33 +0930 From: Shane Ambler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.3) Gecko/20120322 Thunderbird/10.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: n dhert References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrade of portupgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:24:32 -0000 On 23/04/2012 17:13, n dhert wrote: > Today, my nightly run of portsnap informed me there is un update > for: # pkg_version -vIL= portupgrade-2.4.9.3.2< needs updating > (index has 2.4.9.3_1,2) > => SHA256 Checksum mismatch for pkgtools-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2.^M ===> > Giving up on fetching files: pkgtools-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2 ^M Make sure > the Makefile and distinfo file > (/usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade/dist info)^M are up to date. If > you are absolutely sure you want to override this^M check, type "make > NO_CHECKSUM=yes [other args]".^M *** Error code 1^M > > What's this problem with pkgtools ??? I have a $ ls -la > /usr/ports/distfiles/pkgtools-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root > wheel 79394 Aug 23 2011 > /usr/ports/distfiles/pkgtools-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2 but no 2.4.9.3_1,2 > version > > And, strange: if I try http://www.freebsd.org/ports, Search for > pkgtools in All it finds nothing ??? Isn't that package described > ?? > > What's going on here and how to solve it ?? The issue would appear to be the recent update was messed up. You are getting an error as the distfile you have has a different md5sum than what was saved to the port files. pkgtools is the name of the project, even though the sourceforge project name and the port name is portupgrade. On github it is pkgtools. I would guess the port name was chosen to prevent conflicts with pkg_* named tools in the base system. I would wait for the maintainer to sort things out. Currently you can download a tar.gz from github or a tar.bz from sourceforge both identified as 2.4.9.3 but there is some file differences between them. As this is a new maintainer just taken over the port about a week ago you may want to email them or submit a pr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 23 11:13:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FFE6106564A; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:13:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.207]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9E7F8FC1C; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:13:33 +0000 (UTC) From: vermaden To: andrnils@gmail.com X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 In-Reply-To: References: <4F8A9918.3080607@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1335179606; bh=UIhmDf0ADr1EUTiB8UoR/QpdtSeqYcU+WIeEP5YoB5s=; h=From:Subject:To:Cc:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TdnVNREb92r3n7Y1dt0Z9X4FEZ/BA+Z8f/T79jL8nGoI2MDbRvbjl1tPzOcXgKwcR uCNs5QznVDSqYQQFJQGGFQyF+dgmmISwyyQp0B+e7mFFm+2oeViwEecjT5qHpaAuyq Sin4vXhFfvbTpiAvNVOUhRvFVEPJs1+ILZuZ7p/Y= Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:13:26 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Mounting from zfs:system/ROOT/nch failed with error 2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:13:34 -0000 > If you move the dataset to a new machine you should also fix > the zpool.cache on the new machine. Boot it with f.e. mfsbsd > cd import the pool and copy the zpool.cache file. >=20 > Best regards > Andreas I have solved it by copying the /boot/zfs/zpool.cache from the working/running system to the just imported ZFS snapshot, for example to /mnt/boot/zfs/zpool.cache if You set mountpoint to /mnt for that dataset, works like a charm ;) Regards, vermaden --=20 ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 23 11:57:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3D6106566B for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:57:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7070C8FC1A for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:57:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D845E294 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:57:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.658 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.658 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.660, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.596] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Nxj5uN7PG9Yh for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:57:23 +0200 (CEST) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (c-195-216-041-102.ekt.thalamus.net [195.216.41.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 349685E119 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:57:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4F9543A9.5030005@eskk.nu> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:57:29 +0200 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120419 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Lots of lagging after upgrade of xorg. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:57:44 -0000 Hello list. I'm experiencing a lot of lagging after I've upgraded xorg. I use XFCE and just changing from one desktop to another now feels really slow. If I click on a button in an application I have to move the mouse pointer before there's a reaction to the click. In a terminal window I also have to move the pointer outside before the input from the keyboard is registered. Maybe it's a mouse problem. Anyway I need some help if it's a setting that has to be changed. My system, 8.2-RELEASE-p6, worked well before the upgrade of xorg. Thanks /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 23 12:13:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2432A1065675 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:13:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D822E8FC12 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:13:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-124-250.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.124.250]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D1E3CC4D; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:13:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q3NCDlca005407; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:13:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:13:47 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Leslie Jensen Message-Id: <20120423141347.1d7e3243.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4F9543A9.5030005@eskk.nu> References: <4F9543A9.5030005@eskk.nu> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Lots of lagging after upgrade of xorg. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:13:56 -0000 On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:57:29 +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote: > > Hello list. > > I'm experiencing a lot of lagging after I've upgraded xorg. I use XFCE > and just changing from one desktop to another now feels really slow. > > If I click on a button in an application I have to move the mouse > pointer before there's a reaction to the click. > > In a terminal window I also have to move the pointer outside before the > input from the keyboard is registered. > > Maybe it's a mouse problem. Anyway I need some help if it's a setting > that has to be changed. > > My system, 8.2-RELEASE-p6, worked well before the upgrade of xorg. Did you done any changes to the possible HAL settings (with or without - needs to be set at compile time, and maybe xorg.conf with some options)? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 23 13:16:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18492106564A for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:16:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4378FC12 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:16:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87FD35E292; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:16:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.658 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.658 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.660, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.596] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id OWA-cPozwaei; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:16:06 +0200 (CEST) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (c-195-216-041-102.ekt.thalamus.net [195.216.41.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7897D5E207; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:16:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4F95561E.4000802@eskk.nu> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:16:14 +0200 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120419 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <4F9543A9.5030005@eskk.nu> <20120423141347.1d7e3243.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120423141347.1d7e3243.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Lots of lagging after upgrade of xorg. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:16:21 -0000 2012-04-23 14:13, Polytropon skrev: > On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:57:29 +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote: >> >> Hello list. >> >> I'm experiencing a lot of lagging after I've upgraded xorg. I use XFCE >> and just changing from one desktop to another now feels really slow. >> >> If I click on a button in an application I have to move the mouse >> pointer before there's a reaction to the click. >> >> In a terminal window I also have to move the pointer outside before the >> input from the keyboard is registered. >> >> Maybe it's a mouse problem. Anyway I need some help if it's a setting >> that has to be changed. >> >> My system, 8.2-RELEASE-p6, worked well before the upgrade of xorg. > > Did you done any changes to the possible HAL settings (with > or without - needs to be set at compile time, and maybe xorg.conf > with some options)? > > No Sir. No changes what so ever. Just upgrading. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:33:14 -0000 At 13:57 23/04/2012, you wrote: >Hello list. > >I'm experiencing a lot of lagging after I've upgraded xorg. I use >XFCE and just changing from one desktop to another now feels really slow. > >If I click on a button in an application I have to move the mouse >pointer before there's a reaction to the click. > >In a terminal window I also have to move the pointer outside before >the input from the keyboard is registered. > >Maybe it's a mouse problem. Anyway I need some help if it's a >setting that has to be changed. > >My system, 8.2-RELEASE-p6, worked well before the upgrade of xorg. > >Thanks Have you reinstalled the graphic card drivers? >/Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 23 13:39:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5491065673 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:39:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E2C8FC12 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:39:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB6E5E167; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:39:45 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.658 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.658 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.660, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.596] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id EaMA+KgjeiWo; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:39:43 +0200 (CEST) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (c-195-216-041-102.ekt.thalamus.net [195.216.41.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BAC525E197; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:39:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4F955BA7.4020905@eskk.nu> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:39:51 +0200 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120419 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eduardo Morras References: <4EFDA3B501D40AFA@> (added by postmaster@resmaa12.ono.com) In-Reply-To: <4EFDA3B501D40AFA@> (added by postmaster@resmaa12.ono.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Lots of lagging after upgrade of xorg. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:39:54 -0000 2012-04-23 15:29, Eduardo Morras skrev: > At 13:57 23/04/2012, you wrote: > >> Hello list. >> >> I'm experiencing a lot of lagging after I've upgraded xorg. I use XFCE >> and just changing from one desktop to another now feels really slow. >> >> If I click on a button in an application I have to move the mouse >> pointer before there's a reaction to the click. >> >> In a terminal window I also have to move the pointer outside before >> the input from the keyboard is registered. >> >> Maybe it's a mouse problem. Anyway I need some help if it's a setting >> that has to be changed. >> >> My system, 8.2-RELEASE-p6, worked well before the upgrade of xorg. >> >> Thanks > > Have you reinstalled the graphic card drivers? > >> /Leslie > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I'm using the built in nv driver. /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 23 16:29:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDDDA106564A for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:29:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB408FC08 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:29:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3NGTUVh069817; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:29:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q3NGTUdi069814; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:29:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:29:30 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Leslie Jensen In-Reply-To: <4F9543A9.5030005@eskk.nu> Message-ID: References: <4F9543A9.5030005@eskk.nu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:29:30 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Lots of lagging after upgrade of xorg. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:29:38 -0000 On Mon, 23 Apr 2012, Leslie Jensen wrote: > > Hello list. > > I'm experiencing a lot of lagging after I've upgraded xorg. I use XFCE and > just changing from one desktop to another now feels really slow. > > If I click on a button in an application I have to move the mouse pointer > before there's a reaction to the click. > > In a terminal window I also have to move the pointer outside before the input > from the keyboard is registered. That is often a symptom of setting Option "AllowEmptyInput" "Off". If you have AEI settings in xorg.conf, remove them. Use Option "AutoAddDevices" "Off" to disable HAL input device detection. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 23 17:56:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3311065672 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:56:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5518FC14 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:56:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 632905E207; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:56:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.657 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.657 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.659, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.596] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id FaOPjxC5fRMq; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:56:09 +0200 (CEST) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (c-195-216-041-102.ekt.thalamus.net [195.216.41.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71B3E5E275; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:56:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4F9597C2.4030406@eskk.nu> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:56:18 +0200 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120419 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block References: <4F9543A9.5030005@eskk.nu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Lots of lagging after upgrade of xorg. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:56:22 -0000 2012-04-23 18:29, Warren Block skrev: > On Mon, 23 Apr 2012, Leslie Jensen wrote: > >> >> Hello list. >> >> I'm experiencing a lot of lagging after I've upgraded xorg. I use XFCE >> and just changing from one desktop to another now feels really slow. >> >> If I click on a button in an application I have to move the mouse >> pointer before there's a reaction to the click. >> >> In a terminal window I also have to move the pointer outside before >> the input from the keyboard is registered. > > That is often a symptom of setting Option "AllowEmptyInput" "Off". > > If you have AEI settings in xorg.conf, remove them. Use Option > "AutoAddDevices" "Off" to disable HAL input device detection. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Thank you Warren. I found the page where you explain this in great detail a little while before I got you reply. I'll have to reconfigure my Swedish keyboard because the mapping disappeared in the process. I'll post the link to your page for reference to others that might experience the same problem. http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/aei.html /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 23 18:13:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD415106566C for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:13:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (24-240-198-187.static.stls.mo.charter.com [24.240.198.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E058FC08 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:13:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.dweimer.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3NIDnpN026517 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:13:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:13:49 -0500 From: "Dean E. Weimer" To: Mail-Reply-To: Message-ID: <15eb19d114c2b3d3b0469bc2f9fbdb33@www.dweimer.net> X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.6 Subject: ntpd problems after port updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:13:55 -0000 I am running NTPD built from ports on system that has had world rebuilt without ntp. After doing some port updates this morning to the latest OpenSSL which caused ntp to rebuild as its built against the OpenSSL port. ntpd now core dumps at start, in order to attempt and resolve the issue I tried starting ntpd with the -d switch added, at which point it loads fine without any problems. NTP options set in rc.conf # Enable NTP Daemon ntpd_enable="YES" ntpd_flags="-p /var/run/ntpd.pid" ntpd_program="/usr/local/bin/ntpd" Only option checked when doing make config on the port is the with OpenSSL option. if I execute: /usr/local/bin/ntpd -p /var/run/ntpd.pid The result is a signal 11 core dump. if I execute: /usr/local/bin/ntpd -d -p /var/run/ntpd.pid The result is a successful launch, but of course it doesn't detach from the terminal and it start showing debugging logs on the terminal. Anyone have any clue how I can determine what's causing it to crash when started without the -d? -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 23 18:19:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370B01065672 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:19:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from nk11p00mm-asmtp003.mac.com (nk11p00mm-asmtp003.mac.com [17.158.161.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0E68FC15 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:19:41 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com (unknown [17.209.4.71]) by nk11p00mm-asmtp003.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0M2Y00IAW2WFDR60@nk11p00mm-asmtp003.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:19:35 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-23_06:2012-04-23, 2012-04-23, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1204230180 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <15eb19d114c2b3d3b0469bc2f9fbdb33@www.dweimer.net> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:19:27 -0700 Message-id: References: <15eb19d114c2b3d3b0469bc2f9fbdb33@www.dweimer.net> To: dweimer@dweimer.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ntpd problems after port updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:19:41 -0000 On Apr 23, 2012, at 11:13 AM, Dean E. Weimer wrote: > I am running NTPD built from ports on system that has had world rebuilt without ntp. After doing some port updates this morning to the latest OpenSSL which caused ntp to rebuild as its built against the OpenSSL port. ntpd now core dumps at start, in order to attempt and resolve the issue I tried starting ntpd with the -d switch added, at which point it loads fine without any problems. If you run 'ldd /usr/local/bin/ntpd', that might be informative. > Only option checked when doing make config on the port is the with OpenSSL option. Consider not doing this-- OpenSSL has a much worse security history than ntpd itself does. In particular, the ASN.1 parser is infamous for trouble, such as CVE-2012-2110. > if I execute: /usr/local/bin/ntpd -p /var/run/ntpd.pid > The result is a signal 11 core dump. Run gdb against ntpd and the coredump you've gotten to see the crash backtrace. Or run ntpd under gdb. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 23 19:04:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9DD106564A for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:04:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 594A58FC0A for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:04:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SMOZ3-00042Z-1G for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:04:45 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-99-96.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.99.96]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:04:44 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-99-96.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:04:44 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:04:46 -0400 Lines: 110 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-99-96.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: upgrade of portupgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:04:52 -0000 n dhert wrote: > Today, my nightly run of portsnap informed me there is un update for: > # pkg_version -vIL= > portupgrade-2.4.9.3.2 < needs updating (index has 2.4.9.3_1,2) > > Since there is no special entry in /usr/ports/UPDATING about the > portupgrade update, > I started my weekly > # portupgrade -yaRrpb > > this gives: > ... > ---> Upgrade of ports-mgmt/portupgrade started at: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 > 08:37:14 +0 > 200 > ---> Upgrading 'portupgrade-2.4.9.3,2' to 'portupgrade-2.4.9.3_1,2' > (ports-mgmt > /portupgrade) > ---> Build of ports-mgmt/portupgrade started at: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 > 08:37:14 +020 > 0 > ---> Building '/usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade' > ===> Cleaning for portupgrade-2.4.9.3_1,2^M > ===> License BSD accepted by the user^M > ===> Found saved configuration for portupgrade-2.4.6,2^M > ===> Extracting for portupgrade-2.4.9.3_1,2^M > => SHA256 Checksum mismatch for pkgtools-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2.^M > ===> Refetch for 1 more times files: pkgtools-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2 ^M > ===> License BSD accepted by the user^M > ===> Found saved configuration for portupgrade-2.4.6,2^M > => pkgtools-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2 doesn't seem to exist in > /usr/ports/distfiles/.^M > => Attempting to fetch > http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/project/portupgrade/pkgt > ools/2.4.9.3/pkgtools-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2^M > fetch: > http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/project/portupgrade/pkgtools/2.4.9.3/pkg > tools-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2: Moved Temporarily^M > it does 5 more at other places, then > => Attempting to fetch > http://freefr.dl.sourceforge.net/project/portupgrade/pkgt > ools/2.4.9.3/pkgtools-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2^M > fetch: pkgtools-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2: local file (79394 bytes) is longer than > remote > file (79377 bytes)^M > ... > then 10 more 'Attempting to fetch' with Moved temporarily > then > => Attempting to fetch > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/pkgtool > s-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2^M > ===> License BSD accepted by the user^M > ===> Found saved configuration for portupgrade-2.4.6,2^M > => SHA256 Checksum mismatch for pkgtools-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2.^M > ===> Giving up on fetching files: pkgtools-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2 ^M > Make sure the Makefile and distinfo file > (/usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade/dist > info)^M > are up to date. If you are absolutely sure you want to override this^M > check, type "make NO_CHECKSUM=yes [other args]".^M > *** Error code 1^M > ^M > Stop in /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade.^M > *** Error code 1^M > ^M > Stop in /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade.^M > *** Error code 1^M > ^M > Stop in /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade.^M > ---> Build of ports-mgmt/portupgrade ended at: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:37:45 > +0200 > (consumed 00:00:30) > ---> Upgrade of ports-mgmt/portupgrade ended at: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 > 08:37:45 +020 > 0 (consumed 00:00:30) > > What's this problem with pkgtools ??? > I have a > $ ls -la /usr/ports/distfiles/pkgtools-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2 > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 79394 Aug 23 2011 > /usr/ports/distfiles/pkgtools-2.4.9.3.tar.bz2 > but no 2.4.9.3_1,2 version > > And, strange: if I try > http://www.freebsd.org/ports, Search for pkgtools in All > it finds nothing ??? Isn't that package described ?? Search for portupgrade instead. > What's going on here and how to solve it ?? I just did this upgrade utilizing portupgrade 2 days ago - 04/20/12 03:34 and did not experience any trouble. However, I noticed the name of the file that was downloaded here was: pkgtools-pkgtools-b99f3ce.tar.gz. This file was 98949 bytes in size. Today I have csup'd my ports tree and did a make fetch for this port and it downloaded a file of the same name as you have described. This file is 79377 bytes in size. I did a make for the port and it again built without error. Sounds like something was out of sync at the time you tried this. Try refreshing your ports again and see if it has been fixed. Also consider the possibility that the mirror you were using wasn't completely up to date. Either the mirror will have caught up since then, or try another mirror. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 23 19:08:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC62106566B for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:08:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (24-240-198-187.static.stls.mo.charter.com [24.240.198.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B03128FC1C for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:08:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.dweimer.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3NJ8GHo028585; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:08:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:08:16 -0500 From: "Dean E. Weimer" To: Chuck Swiger Mail-Reply-To: In-Reply-To: References: <15eb19d114c2b3d3b0469bc2f9fbdb33@www.dweimer.net> Message-ID: <7feaa1faeb71b57e89b8f6935f90d4b3@www.dweimer.net> X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.6 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ntpd problems after port updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:08:17 -0000 On 23.04.2012 13:19, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Apr 23, 2012, at 11:13 AM, Dean E. Weimer wrote: >> I am running NTPD built from ports on system that has had world >> rebuilt without ntp. After doing some port updates this morning to >> the latest OpenSSL which caused ntp to rebuild as its built against >> the OpenSSL port. ntpd now core dumps at start, in order to attempt >> and resolve the issue I tried starting ntpd with the -d switch added, >> at which point it loads fine without any problems. > > If you run 'ldd /usr/local/bin/ntpd', that might be informative. > >> Only option checked when doing make config on the port is the with >> OpenSSL option. > > Consider not doing this-- OpenSSL has a much worse security history > than ntpd itself does. In particular, the ASN.1 parser is infamous > for trouble, such as CVE-2012-2110. > >> if I execute: /usr/local/bin/ntpd -p /var/run/ntpd.pid >> The result is a signal 11 core dump. > > Run gdb against ntpd and the coredump you've gotten to see the crash > backtrace. Or run ntpd under gdb. > Tried rebuilding without the with SSL option set, oddly it started once after that, but a restart caused same behavior. gdb doesn't give me anything that I know how to interpret, gdb -c /ntpd.core. (I haven't really used gdb before, so if I am not doing something correctly with it, please feel free to let me know) GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "amd64-marcel-freebsd". Core was generated by `ntpd'. Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. #0 0x00000008006878c0 in ?? () (gdb) bt #0 0x00000008006878c0 in ?? () #1 0x0000000000000c78 in ?? () #2 0x00000008006bf800 in ?? () #3 0x00007fff00000001 in ?? () #4 0x0000000800687836 in ?? () #5 0x00007fffffffcb60 in ?? () #6 0x00007fffffffcb48 in ?? () #7 0x0000000000000066 in ?? () #8 0x000000080142b570 in ?? () #9 0x00007fffffffcf80 in ?? () #10 0x0000000000000003 in ?? () #11 0x00007fffffffcfc0 in ?? () #12 0x000000080166037f in ?? () #13 0x00007fffffffcd70 in ?? () #14 0x00000008006bf800 in ?? () [..snip..] #532 0x0000000000000008 in ?? () #533 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #534 0x0000000000000009 in ?? () #535 0x00000000004040d0 in ?? () #536 0x0000000000000007 in ?? () #537 0x000000080067f000 in ?? () #538 0x000000000000000f in ?? () #539 #540 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?) Running from within gdb didn't give me much either. proxy1# gdb GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "amd64-marcel-freebsd". (gdb) set args -c /etc/ntp.conf (gdb) file /usr/local/bin/ntpd Reading symbols from /usr/local/bin/ntpd...(no debugging symbols found)...done. (gdb) run Starting program: /usr/local/bin/ntpd -c /etc/ntp.conf (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...[New LWP 100873] (no debugging symbols found)...[New Thread 801c07400 (LWP 100873/ntpd)] Program exited normally. (gdb) quit proxy1# tail -f /var/log/messages [..snip..] Apr 23 13:55:43 proxy1 ntpd[95834]: ntpd 4.2.6p5@1.2349 Mon Apr 23 18:23:07 UTC 2012 (1) Apr 23 13:55:43 proxy1 ntpd[95836]: proto: precision = 0.699 usec Apr 23 13:55:43 proxy1 kernel: pid 95836 (ntpd), uid 0: exited on signal 5 (core dumped) However it seems to have made it farther before crashing. gdb -c /ntpd.core [..snip..] #832 0x0000000000000005 in ?? () #833 0x0000000000000008 in ?? () #834 0x0000000000000006 in ?? () #835 0x0000000000001000 in ?? () #836 0x0000000000000008 in ?? () #837 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #838 0x0000000000000009 in ?? () #839 0x00000000004040d0 in ?? () #840 0x0000000000000007 in ?? () #841 0x000000080067f000 in ?? () #842 0x000000000000000f in ?? () #843 #844 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?) Of course it still runs fine with the -d option set. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 23 19:10:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F25B106566B for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:10:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from nk11p00mm-asmtp010.mac.com (nk11p00mm-asmtp010.mac.com [17.158.161.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002028FC14 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:10:13 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com (unknown [17.209.4.71]) by nk11p00mm-asmtp010.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0M2Y006JK590RW80@nk11p00mm-asmtp010.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:10:13 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-23_06:2012-04-23, 2012-04-23, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1204230194 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <7feaa1faeb71b57e89b8f6935f90d4b3@www.dweimer.net> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:10:12 -0700 Message-id: References: <15eb19d114c2b3d3b0469bc2f9fbdb33@www.dweimer.net> <7feaa1faeb71b57e89b8f6935f90d4b3@www.dweimer.net> To: dweimer@dweimer.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ntpd problems after port updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:10:14 -0000 On Apr 23, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Dean E. Weimer wrote: > Tried rebuilding without the with SSL option set, oddly it started once after that, but a restart caused same behavior. gdb doesn't give me anything that I know how to interpret, gdb -c /ntpd.core. (I haven't really used gdb before, so if I am not doing something correctly with it, please feel free to let me know) Ah, you need to build ntpd with -g in CFLAGS & LDFLAGS for debugging symbols to be present.... Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 23 19:52:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AEE9106566B for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:52:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (24-240-198-187.static.stls.mo.charter.com [24.240.198.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 314658FC0C for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:52:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.dweimer.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3NJqYac030334; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:52:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:52:34 -0500 From: "Dean E. Weimer" To: Chuck Swiger Mail-Reply-To: In-Reply-To: References: <15eb19d114c2b3d3b0469bc2f9fbdb33@www.dweimer.net> <7feaa1faeb71b57e89b8f6935f90d4b3@www.dweimer.net> Message-ID: <9b0a9a920c5e70508e78cfa0e7e00db1@www.dweimer.net> X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.6 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ntpd problems after port updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:52:36 -0000 On 23.04.2012 14:10, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Apr 23, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Dean E. Weimer wrote: >> Tried rebuilding without the with SSL option set, oddly it started >> once after that, but a restart caused same behavior. gdb doesn't give >> me anything that I know how to interpret, gdb -c /ntpd.core. (I >> haven't really used gdb before, so if I am not doing something >> correctly with it, please feel free to let me know) > > Ah, you need to build ntpd with -g in CFLAGS & LDFLAGS for debugging > symbols to be present.... > at the risk of sounding like an complete n00b, how do I do that? After reading through the make man page, I decided on trying to build the port with "make CFLAGS+=-g LDFLAGS+=-g install clean" however I still get the no debugging symbols found message. Does the information in in the Makefile for the port overwrite this option from the command line? Or am I just using the incorrect syntax here? (gdb) file /usr/local/bin/ntpd Reading symbols from /usr/local/bin/ntpd...(no debugging symbols found)...done. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 23 23:40:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CECF106564A for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 23:40:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougs@dawnsign.com) Received: from mailfilter.dawnsign.com (hydra.dawnsign.com [69.198.101.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682238FC08 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 23:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailfilter.dawnsign.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailfilter.dawnsign.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EFF095833 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Draco.dawnsign.com (draco.dawnsign.com [192.168.101.33]) by mailfilter.dawnsign.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0432E95831 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DRACO.dawnsign.com ([fe80::6062:7fef:2376:a729]) by Draco.dawnsign.com ([fe80::6062:7fef:2376:a729%10]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:33:21 -0700 From: Doug Sampson To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Thread-Topic: LaCie P'9230 Is Not Recognized Thread-Index: Ac0hqW7gb7u0zI5fTkKK98KEBcH4gg== Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 23:33:20 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.101.149] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: LaCie P'9230 Is Not Recognized X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 23:40:00 -0000 I went out and got a LaCie P'9230 drive, an external USB 3.0/2.0 2TB drive = (http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?id=3D10559). FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE = #5 running on an Intel D845GEBV2L motherboard does not recognize it. Apr 23 15:57:11 test kernel: usb_alloc_device: set address 2 failed (USB_ER= R_STALLED, ignored) Apr 23 15:57:11 test kernel: usbd_setup_device_desc: getting device descrip= tor at addr 2 failed, USB_ERR_STALLED Apr 23 15:57:12 test kernel: usbd_req_re_enumerate: addr=3D2, set address f= ailed! (USB_ERR_STALLED, ignored) Apr 23 15:57:12 test kernel: usbd_setup_device_desc: getting device descrip= tor at addr 2 failed, USB_ERR_STALLED Apr 23 15:57:13 test kernel: usbd_req_re_enumerate: addr=3D2, set address f= ailed! (USB_ERR_STALLED, ignored) Apr 23 15:57:13 test kernel: usbd_setup_device_desc: getting device descrip= tor at addr 2 failed, USB_ERR_STALLED Apr 23 15:57:13 test kernel: ugen3.2: at usbus3 (disconnected) Apr 23 15:57:13 test kernel: uhub_reattach_port: could not allocate new dev= ice root@test:/usr/home/install# 'camcontrol devlist -v' does not indicate any daX devices. I've used a variety of smaller external LaCie USB 2.0 drives with this moth= erboard successfully in the past. A link at the LaCie web site (http://www.lacie.com/more/index.htm?id=3D1011= 2) indicates that a driver needs to be installed on a Mac in order to reali= ze true USB 3.0 speeds. Does this mean that for me to use this drive, I nee= d a special driver? I've consulted the hardware compatibility list but it appears to not have b= een updated to reflect newer hardware. Any advice would be appreciated. ~Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 24 02:51:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86817106564A for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 02:51:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tjg@tgustafson.com) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0938FC08 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 02:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lagv3 with SMTP id v3so179242lag.13 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:50:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=LRef+k3FhA5bKF4jC8WwecSl5Tj39dD+f5wTl4RszI0=; b=mPniWXZhqYVL2DSfdcTSmiCJRWyQWObU4HaUUrbzOp+syzI4AGF83YZGq2MrlQ8jGY EJj6jB/vIJqyx3od8HXALqkPDLl04APKvdUszR1FXF+41QM74HJy++n/aVmI8hTfgMvi TPVGr+TIs12sDkXN1GAALFUecRajNaPLXtyh19zuDsx3YDv5ht121vxYVFpyBQgC6Q55 ppq9rCEnXk9xXkN6nBNJy6lYGDDJnMpN0rC2Ow0156EXfaQYbelkzrEFi5TSTQ2fP5p/ IcOJ9H5SlDamPJ8I/uhL17d2H28w+iX6B2u4upwSyGeI1E/1CcEdF3nAPDSpp39DvyLK c5UQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.132.166 with SMTP id ov6mr18957067lab.35.1335235859732; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.18.201 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:50:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [50.136.209.89] Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:50:59 -0700 Message-ID: From: Tim Gustafson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmP3bwu2TOcjaUt3Ghv5CenOitl3jtKpDFDrII2ftyMwhB2t6TWAppybmD1boEtOJibOY8N Subject: Cron Problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 02:51:01 -0000 I've recently installed a FreeBSD 9.0 jail server, and inside each of my jails I am getting the following errors in my log about every 5 minutes: cron[7635]: NSSWITCH(_nsdispatch): ldap, group, setgrent, not found, and no fallback provided cron[7635]: NSSWITCH(_nsdispatch): ldap, group, getgrent_r, not found, and no fallback provided cron[7635]: NSSWITCH(_nsdispatch): ldap, group, endgrent, not found, and no fallback provided cron[7635]: NSSWITCH(_nsdispatch): ldap, passwd, endpwent, not found, and no fallback provided /usr/sbin/cron[7673]: (CRON) WARNING (madvise() failed) I'm using nss_ldap and pam_ldap on these systems, so I suspect and error in my /etc/pam.d configuration or my nsswitch.conf configuration. I've added some configuration to /etc/pam.d/sshd and /etc/pam.d/other but have left the other files unmolested. Now, this seems like an nsswitch problem, but my nsswitch.conf is fairly straightforward: group: files ldap hosts: files dns networks: files passwd: files ldap shells: files services: files protocols: files rpc: files I'm able to get user ID information without a problem using "id" or "finger". Authentication is working. LDAP groups are working. Pretty much everything seems like it ought to work, except for those error messages. I don't think this is a PAM issue, but just in case, here's my /etc/pam.d/sshd: auth sufficient /usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so auth required pam_unix.so account required pam_nologin.so account required pam_login_access.so account required pam_unix.so session required pam_permit.so password required pam_unix.so no_warn try_first_pass And here is /etc/pam.d/other: auth sufficient /usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so auth required pam_unix.so no_warn try_first_pass account required pam_nologin.so account required pam_login_access.so account required pam_unix.so session required pam_permit.so password required pam_permit.so I note that there is an /etc/pam.d/cron but it's not clear to me what I might add to this file, as it is quite different than the others: account required pam_nologin.so account required pam_unix.so So, what am I missing? -- Tim Gustafson tjg@tgustafson.com http://tgustafson.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 24 05:13:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1793F1065672 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 05:13:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914368FC12 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 05:13:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADDBB5E2F9 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 07:13:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.657 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.657 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.659, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.596] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id yu1DkdowLq2a for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 07:13:13 +0200 (CEST) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (c-195-216-041-102.ekt.thalamus.net [195.216.41.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 395BE5E29C for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 07:13:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4F963670.9060409@eskk.nu> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 07:13:20 +0200 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120419 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F9543A9.5030005@eskk.nu> <4F9597C2.4030406@eskk.nu> In-Reply-To: <4F9597C2.4030406@eskk.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Was..... Lots of lagging after upgrade of xorg. Now keyboard layout is lost X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 05:13:32 -0000 2012-04-23 19:56, Leslie Jensen skrev: > > > 2012-04-23 18:29, Warren Block skrev: >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2012, Leslie Jensen wrote: >> >>> Use Option >> "AutoAddDevices" "Off" to disable HAL input device detection. >> _______________________________________________ > > http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/aei.html > After adding the above Option I lost the Swedish layout of my keyboard. Following the instructions and editing the /usr/local/etc/hal/fdi/policy/x11-input.fdi I already have the file in place with the following setup: terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp< /merge> latitude se Where else can I control the setting for Swedish? I can see in /usr/local/share/X11/xkb/rules/base.lst that there is the ! variant parameters. Any hints appreciated. Thanks /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 24 06:18:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7254B1065674 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 06:18:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF118FC12 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 06:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-124-250.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.124.250]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874701E560; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:18:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q3O6IMHc002955; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:18:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:18:22 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Leslie Jensen Message-Id: <20120424081822.2e1e91fd.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4F963670.9060409@eskk.nu> References: <4F9543A9.5030005@eskk.nu> <4F9597C2.4030406@eskk.nu> <4F963670.9060409@eskk.nu> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Was..... Lots of lagging after upgrade of xorg. Now keyboard layout is lost X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 06:18:31 -0000 On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 07:13:20 +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote: > > > 2012-04-23 19:56, Leslie Jensen skrev: > > > > > > 2012-04-23 18:29, Warren Block skrev: > >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2012, Leslie Jensen wrote: > >> > >>> > Use Option > >> "AutoAddDevices" "Off" to disable HAL input device detection. > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/aei.html > > > > > > After adding the above Option I lost the Swedish layout of my keyboard. > > Following the instructions and editing the > > /usr/local/etc/hal/fdi/policy/x11-input.fdi > > > I already have the file in place with the following setup: > > > > > > > type="string">terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp< > /merge> > type="string">latitude > se > > > > > > Where else can I control the setting for Swedish? You could use the default method: /etc/X11/xorg.conf which is designed to _centralize_ X-related settings. Keyboard settings can also be put there. For example, this is what I use to define a german keyboard layout (and which applies everywhere in X, as intended): Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "de" Option "XkbOptions" "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" EndSection You can employ this approach, changing it to swedish language. Note that I'm using the X setup "without HAL and DBUS" here. Additionally, there's the method of using xmodmap with a custom ~/.xmodmaprc file which can be used to make keyboard language settings work _independently_ from both xorg.conf and XML files scattered across the local/ subtree. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Lots of lagging after upgrade of xorg. Now keyboard layout is lost X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:01:54 -0000 On Tue, 24 Apr 2012, Leslie Jensen wrote: > 2012-04-23 19:56, Leslie Jensen skrev: >> 2012-04-23 18:29, Warren Block skrev: >>> On Mon, 23 Apr 2012, Leslie Jensen wrote: >>> >>>> > Use Option >>> "AutoAddDevices" "Off" to disable HAL input device detection. >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >> http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/aei.html >> > > After adding the above Option I lost the Swedish layout of my keyboard. It's not required to disable HAL, but that's usually what people are trying to do when they turn off AEI. To leave HAL enabled, remove the AutoAddDevices option. Keyboard layout will come from the HAL fdi file. Keyboard layout can also be set with setxkbmap in .xinitrc or .xsession, or in the keyboard InputDevice section as Polytropon shows. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 24 14:17:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F011065670 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:17:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF90E8FC1A for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:17:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7AC5E317; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:17:05 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.656 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.656 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.658, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.596] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id hg8TAe-yinnT; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:17:00 +0200 (CEST) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (c-195-216-041-102.ekt.thalamus.net [195.216.41.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 177905E1A4; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:17:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4F96B5FB.6040903@eskk.nu> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:17:31 +0200 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120419 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block References: <4F9543A9.5030005@eskk.nu> <4F9597C2.4030406@eskk.nu> <4F963670.9060409@eskk.nu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Was..... Lots of lagging after upgrade of xorg. Now keyboard layout is lost X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:17:38 -0000 2012-04-24 16:01, Warren Block skrev: > On Tue, 24 Apr 2012, Leslie Jensen wrote: >> 2012-04-23 19:56, Leslie Jensen skrev: >>> 2012-04-23 18:29, Warren Block skrev: >>>> On Mon, 23 Apr 2012, Leslie Jensen wrote: >>>> >>>>> >> Use Option >>>> "AutoAddDevices" "Off" to disable HAL input device detection. >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> >>> http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/aei.html >>> >> >> After adding the above Option I lost the Swedish layout of my keyboard. > > It's not required to disable HAL, but that's usually what people are > trying to do when they turn off AEI. > > To leave HAL enabled, remove the AutoAddDevices option. Keyboard layout > will come from the HAL fdi file. > > Keyboard layout can also be set with setxkbmap in .xinitrc or .xsession, > or in the keyboard InputDevice section as Polytropon shows. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Yes, thank you. Polytropon solution works for me :-) /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 24 15:08:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068621065676 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:08:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from c_longfoot@hotmail.com) Received: from snt0-omc4-s40.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc4-s40.snt0.hotmail.com [65.54.51.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04B58FC16 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:08:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SNT121-W12 ([65.55.90.199]) by snt0-omc4-s40.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:07:46 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [95.112.133.24] From: Carolyn Longfoot To: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:07:45 +0000 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2012 15:07:46.0030 (UTC) FILETIME=[015BA0E0:01CD222C] Subject: Ports Libraries - Shared object "libz.so.5" not found X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:08:52 -0000 I'm on 9.0 Release AMD64 and did not have Compat8x installed from ports whi= ch fixed the issue=2C but I am wondering what (apart from upgrading *all* p= orts) would be the correct approach to find out which port needs to be upda= ted so that whatever references the libz.so.5 version instead of libz.so.6 = gets updated? This is very confusing to me because I got the error with php=2C and I am o= n the very latest php5-5.3.10_1 version which I would expect to reference c= urrent libraries. Now I also have a problem with libssl.so.7=2C which popped up with Samba36.= Again I'm wondering what version provides the .7 incarnation. I found a comment (http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=3D21886) that= this library is part of security/openssl but a reinstall just now of opens= sl only gave me libssl.so.8=2C so that's no longer valid. Creating a link t= o libssl.so.7 fixes the problem but is probably not the correct approach. I guess the summary of the above is the question how one should go about ke= eping/getting the right library versions. Or is that really a port problem = because they do not keep step with dependencies? An explanation in layman's terms would be appreciated :-) Thanks=2C Caro = From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 24 15:39:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC479106564A for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:39:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (24-240-198-187.static.stls.mo.charter.com [24.240.198.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB6C8FC0C for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.dweimer.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3OFdYS9088516 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:39:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:39:34 -0500 From: "Dean E. Weimer" To: Mail-Reply-To: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.6 Subject: Re: Ports Libraries - Shared object "libz.so.5" not found X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:39:35 -0000 On 24.04.2012 10:07, Carolyn Longfoot wrote: > I'm on 9.0 Release AMD64 and did not have Compat8x installed from > ports which fixed the issue, but I am wondering what (apart from > upgrading *all* ports) would be the correct approach to find out > which > port needs to be updated so that whatever references the libz.so.5 > version instead of libz.so.6 gets updated? > > This is very confusing to me because I got the error with php, and I > am on the very latest php5-5.3.10_1 version which I would expect to > reference current libraries. > > Now I also have a problem with libssl.so.7, which popped up with > Samba36. Again I'm wondering what version provides the .7 > incarnation. > I found a comment (http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=21886) > that this library is part of security/openssl but a reinstall just > now > of openssl only gave me libssl.so.8, so that's no longer valid. > Creating a link to libssl.so.7 fixes the problem but is probably not > the correct approach. > > I guess the summary of the above is the question how one should go > about keeping/getting the right library versions. Or is that really a > port problem because they do not keep step with dependencies? > > An explanation in layman's terms would be appreciated :-) > > > Thanks, > > Caro > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" pkg_libchk from the sysutils/bsdadminscripts port should show you anything that is pointing to a missing shared library. Yes you should rebuild the samba36 port so that it links against the new libssl.so.8 library. I ran into a few of these when upgrading from openssl-1.0.0_10 to openssl-1.0.1, I also believe I hit the libcrypto.so.7 missing as well. I temporary linked them as you did, then rebuilt all ports just to be safe. if you use portmaster to update ports, doing a -r on the openssl port would have recompiled all the ports dependent on it. However in my case it blew up because of these missing libraries, adding a -w (causes shared libraries to be kept) as well resolved this on the additional machines I updated. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer dweimer@dweimer.net http://www.dweimer.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 24 15:50:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4156D106577C for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:50:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougs@dawnsign.com) Received: from mailfilter.dawnsign.com (pyxis.dawnsign.com [69.198.101.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66DB8FC15 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailfilter.dawnsign.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailfilter.dawnsign.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB0E9586C for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:50:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Draco.dawnsign.com (draco.dawnsign.com [192.168.101.33]) by mailfilter.dawnsign.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D6095831 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:50:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DRACO.dawnsign.com ([fe80::6062:7fef:2376:a729]) by Draco.dawnsign.com ([fe80::6062:7fef:2376:a729%10]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:49:44 -0700 From: Doug Sampson To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Thread-Topic: LaCie P'9230 Is Not Recognized Thread-Index: Ac0hqW7gb7u0zI5fTkKK98KEBcH4ggAiC9IQ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:49:43 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [68.105.82.218] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: RE: LaCie P'9230 Is Not Recognized X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:50:28 -0000 > I went out and got a LaCie P'9230 drive, an external USB 3.0/2.0 2TB driv= e > (http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?id=3D10559). FreeBSD 9.0-STABL= E > #5 running on an Intel D845GEBV2L motherboard does not recognize it. >=20 > Apr 23 15:57:11 test kernel: usb_alloc_device: set address 2 failed > (USB_ERR_STALLED, ignored) > Apr 23 15:57:11 test kernel: usbd_setup_device_desc: getting device > descriptor at addr 2 failed, USB_ERR_STALLED > Apr 23 15:57:12 test kernel: usbd_req_re_enumerate: addr=3D2, set address > failed! (USB_ERR_STALLED, ignored) > Apr 23 15:57:12 test kernel: usbd_setup_device_desc: getting device > descriptor at addr 2 failed, USB_ERR_STALLED > Apr 23 15:57:13 test kernel: usbd_req_re_enumerate: addr=3D2, set address > failed! (USB_ERR_STALLED, ignored) > Apr 23 15:57:13 test kernel: usbd_setup_device_desc: getting device > descriptor at addr 2 failed, USB_ERR_STALLED > Apr 23 15:57:13 test kernel: ugen3.2: at usbus3 (disconnected) > Apr 23 15:57:13 test kernel: uhub_reattach_port: could not allocate new > device > root@test:/usr/home/install# >=20 > 'camcontrol devlist -v' does not indicate any daX devices. >=20 > I've used a variety of smaller external LaCie USB 2.0 drives with this > motherboard successfully in the past. >=20 > A link at the LaCie web site > (http://www.lacie.com/more/index.htm?id=3D10112) indicates that a driver > needs to be installed on a Mac in order to realize true USB 3.0 speeds. > Does this mean that for me to use this drive, I need a special driver? >=20 > I've consulted the hardware compatibility list but it appears to not have > been updated to reflect newer hardware. >=20 > Any advice would be appreciated. >=20 So I sent an email to Technical Support. They basically said they do not su= pport any OSes other than Windows and Mac OS X and not even Windows Server.= That was expected. That said, are there any USB 3.0/2.0 2TB drives that you are currently usin= g with FreeBSD 9.0 or even 8.3? ~Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 24 17:50:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000E8106564A for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:50:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA1FC8FC15 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:50:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncsd.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.59] helo=ncs.bris.ac.uk) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SMjsh-0004E1-4D for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:50:27 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncs.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SMjsh-0000yL-0t for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:50:27 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3OHoQ94001359 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:50:26 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q3OHoQdj001358 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:50:26 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bris.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bris.ac.uk using -f Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:50:26 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:50:34 -0000 My daughter is doing a touch typing course that presumes MS Word. So far she was fine with pico, but now they want the kids to practice CTRL/B (bold), CTRL/I (italic), CTRL/U (underline). She really needs to use these particular combinations because that is how the on-line assessment tool is set out. I use nothing but vi, so have no clue which, if any, editor from ports/editors will have these particular combinations implemented. Please recommend one, preferably as simple and as small as possible. Thanks -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 24 18:10:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D521065674 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:10:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vrwmiller@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C59398FC19 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbuo13 with SMTP id uo13so1657866obb.13 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:10:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=7mA6EHf3Pg9ozt3VY3NQHLJ98eF03C3ssh/ty/fdqiE=; b=i5wX3jt8FtfmRwkHJit0OjcU/ELsBG1nb5311jtUXVyoFZZAdEx2BQP9g8nBtZXV3+ v0vVc6Cmuo/lyS+Iu48NTK4L4FdP8pY5i6O3QLwf0s60zzJMXnoUmAxw9JEZUnVPZ+IK tsYZDdYakthC5cfxnrTYlV/pTx0rixfV8fT/1ivx0EwUijErPb/Sdjc//PYLUPUmaFY6 Z01mvq5pau5dlKNzXg3d+rwz8kovLs7+7TTQQuBkpnC+CYAezkO53kulgp4zrb5zqtpM asfkzMBjUqcLm5+meRVa+xNehC+Q9M2Zlkt3BSLGQO9ZFLq0BWW63OiF3Q2irh1vVsj9 5RHg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.182.40 with SMTP id eb8mr5738715obc.34.1335291057305; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:10:57 -0700 (PDT) Sender: vrwmiller@gmail.com Received: by 10.182.187.102 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:10:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:10:57 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: aWIDIeZ0iIxqha35GIkgmZjQ9MM Message-ID: From: Rick Miller To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: pxegrub + FreeBSD install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:10:58 -0000 Hi All, I am attempting to build FreeBSD 8.x-RELEASE over the network via PXE. I chain pxegrub to pxelinux and load the FreeBSD kernel and mfsroot through pxegrub with the following: menuentry "freebsd-x86_64" { kfreebsd /boot/kernel/kernel kfreebsd_loadenv /boot/device.hints kfreebsd_module /boot/mfsroot.gz type=mfs_root set kFreeBSD.vfs.root.mountfrom=ufs:/dev/md0c } The mfsroot.gz is from the installation DVD with a couple of scripts and an install.cfg which result in a non-interactive install. I set variables necessary to allow sysinstall to retrieve the expected files. The variables (previously) are populated as follows: server=`kenv -q boot.nfsroot.server` mac=`kenv -q boot.netif.hwaddr` ip=`kenv -q boot.netif.ip` nm=`kenv -q boot.netif.netmask` gw=`kenv -q boot.netif.gateway` name=`kenv -q dhcp.host-name` route=`kenv -q dhcp.routers` The mfsroot.gz does not see these as set when the environment loads through pxegrub. If I load the environment through pxeboot.bs, the variables populate ok. Unfortunately, with pxeboot.bs I experience extremely high tftp failure rates when compared to pxegrub. My question is how should I populate these variables in the mfsroot.gz when loading via pxegrub? -- Take care Rick Miller From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 24 18:15:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FAE5106564A for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:15:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from ozzie.tundraware.com (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CFD08FC0A for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:15:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.2.196] ([12.106.254.160]) (authenticated bits=0) by ozzie.tundraware.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3OIA5T4082208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:10:05 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Message-ID: <4F96EC78.60405@tundraware.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:10:00 -0500 From: Tim Daneliuk Organization: TundraWare Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120329 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]); Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:10:06 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: q3OIA5T4082208 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: tundra@tundraware.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:15:41 -0000 On 04/24/2012 12:50 PM, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > My daughter is doing a touch typing course > that presumes MS Word. So far she was fine > with pico, but now they want the kids to > practice CTRL/B (bold), CTRL/I (italic), > CTRL/U (underline). She really needs to use > these particular combinations because that > is how the on-line assessment tool is set out. > > I use nothing but vi, so have no clue which, > if any, editor from ports/editors will have > these particular combinations implemented. > > Please recommend one, preferably as simple > and as small as possible. > > Thanks > I am not certain, but I think it is possible to create your own keyboard maps in both joe and vim... -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 24 18:24:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B487B106566C for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:24:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike.jeays@rogers.com) Received: from nm21.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm21.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 82A9F8FC1A for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:24:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.62] by nm21.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2012 18:24:53 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.88] by tm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2012 18:24:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2012 18:24:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 397587.18582.bm@omp1025.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 38374 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2012 18:24:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=N0hVjAdKt/6Ob/bZu3yRxXcZGbBrAgYg+sg6eWHAJjWMjgAgTwV/+0z5Qm5xORkkSDN+yhaz1dg32RQdb1X0t69wQV5Wy4C5yHToDF4ZddpbHg76rmLg6fBkq7aGc9wIZaiuy2E0XgiKG07OX+zx6OHrK6khWdpc13DSRr9MN0c= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1335291892; bh=qK6DCrpBcjuOp3O1gzF+Sttx7A59nFa8Ch6Yq0Wxafs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kAVSa3wpGMzYaiCCUf2QEf9gneLeGf8jZBsgKt/nNStZ/pOsaNiDJrXN9aGs1ODw20JAYdbcXn/U7xSFToAbb8ZiOBBS3McmBQGHAuE1tKS+2ITE6dib8g08P1vF3Ak/bKJB0X3pS99pirDmrYyNLI5mGyEvPfP9qisY4X22RXc= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 0UghLzIVM1ly0jGwDzrh3rsx8Q4v41M_qy2BxHitLS.2Gy. fMDDvnmKfys1P48hY1QaFn1Xc5.7bPmwL95M0oqWnYYdCHSPy6pzxcvV.xLe IguFVXoHeOCJRF.tJGd4ZKKbRjDIBdo0uQ9ptZ1w_yUDJ6dvglWiFdAmK30d hTOOmxEaxjzkRzf5bMlA.ZWO6gK.PbaK2W4XcGiDosjdGWD7CQ9al16hmAkF .6QeFsjK8dwp0o9yzzb65QCDqRFFug5..d84P97Axi0TsjOmPg7TQHB.mz1a 55fiC9M7K6EE6mjs3X5eK8fCx2StRVn2UipImL8MSYkj7v4vw5jVUX36mbnP FRtXnD6Oy9fsUckJZo9CIWhXM8CAXJq1O0fdOaau2zU6gIENFigZ7bNu.0WY 1nujtyb6N3TjsWXpMltEz8eLQyHcWx8DXf2ZZ1g0wOO5YbIc- X-Yahoo-SMTP: N82WFx6swBBjwcHWPFR2CGt6udzA8RPrA.xm0enFFXaK2g-- Received: from europa (mike.jeays@99.224.68.20 with login) by smtp108.rog.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2012 11:24:52 -0700 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:24:51 -0400 From: Mike Jeays To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120424142451.72943710@europa> In-Reply-To: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.24.4; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:24:53 -0000 On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:50:26 +0100 Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > My daughter is doing a touch typing course > that presumes MS Word. So far she was fine > with pico, but now they want the kids to > practice CTRL/B (bold), CTRL/I (italic), > CTRL/U (underline). She really needs to use > these particular combinations because that > is how the on-line assessment tool is set out. > > I use nothing but vi, so have no clue which, > if any, editor from ports/editors will have > these particular combinations implemented. > > Please recommend one, preferably as simple > and as small as possible. > > Thanks > > -- > Anton Shterenlikht > Room 2.6, Queen's Building > Mech Eng Dept > Bristol University > University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK > Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 > Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Abiword will do this. It is a good bit bigger than vi, but if your daughter is being schooled in MS WORD, it is a good substitute. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 24 18:25:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3584106566C for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:25:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743508FC19 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:25:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f182.google.com with SMTP id t57so790988wey.13 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:25:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=o4jcLO8MkOnY65MqN3cs+sRfuUMN8UcNHSgi57UM2fI=; b=IJfTfZrCAsn1vzYuSoa3PQ7q7YQPOp5eacz3mzQU5pJk7jsPL8g6vWkmGWkSMxlBPF J0XO2GLGlyVk/xAvSP8cQSjsnQPj/4cpxTNYRoQWSxzu1g9zNw8/ykpWrBXbyAY+W4pD 6I4jikwJaTEOxhZVnasUg+BK5+mCIQfybiUcMwVOwVpKIfvOjJYnk9SsKYy0AQpABSD9 /E4ebaZgT0JZn3vEQ49yv03wsS3kbNrc4VDoBMlIPfC0gpRDBH6JF5f6Ri9DlvYGgDU1 lq0DQ3oggAW0oxi7UOexOGizylz8zeXzSmLB4YqHTdNsY/MWVeeiVpRrUmsACpf3gEuj Yb2Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.205.35 with SMTP id i35mr4476119weo.17.1335291922113; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.13.206 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:25:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4F96EC78.60405@tundraware.com> References: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <4F96EC78.60405@tundraware.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:25:21 -0700 Message-ID: From: Waitman Gobble To: tundra@tundraware.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:25:23 -0000 On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 04/24/2012 12:50 PM, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > >> My daughter is doing a touch typing course >> that presumes MS Word. So far she was fine >> with pico, but now they want the kids to >> practice CTRL/B (bold), CTRL/I (italic), >> CTRL/U (underline). She really needs to use >> these particular combinations because that >> is how the on-line assessment tool is set out. >> >> I use nothing but vi, so have no clue which, >> if any, editor from ports/editors will have >> these particular combinations implemented. >> >> Please recommend one, preferably as simple >> and as small as possible. >> >> Thanks >> >> > I am not certain, but I think it is possible to create your own > keyboard maps in both joe and vim... > > -- > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > ----------- > Tim Daneliuk > > ______________________________**_________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-** > unsubscribe@freebsd.org " > try AbiWord, /usr/*ports*/editors/*abiword* should be 'close match' to ms word... Waitman Gobble San Jose California USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 24 19:17:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8162C106564A for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:17:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirj.bris.ac.uk (dirj.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 345C88FC08 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncsc.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.41]) by dirj.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SMl0N-0002yT-PU; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:02:27 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncsc.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SMl0N-0002Nu-Fe; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:02:27 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3OJ2RtO001836; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:02:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q3OJ2RHl001835; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:02:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bris.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bris.ac.uk using -f Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:02:27 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <20120424190227.GA1773@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Robert Bonomi , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <201204241833.q3OIXwTR013401@mail.r-bonomi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201204241833.q3OIXwTR013401@mail.r-bonomi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:17:49 -0000 On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 01:33:58PM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:50:26 +0100 > > From: Anton Shterenlikht > > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Subject: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U > > > > My daughter is doing a touch typing course > > that presumes MS Word. So far she was fine > > with pico, but now they want the kids to > > practice CTRL/B (bold), CTRL/I (italic), > > CTRL/U (underline). She really needs to use > > these particular combinations because that > > is how the on-line assessment tool is set out. > > > > I use nothing but vi, so have no clue which, > > if any, editor from ports/editors will have > > these particular combinations implemented. > > > > Please recommend one, preferably as simple > > and as small as possible. > > Sorry *NO* 'text editor' has those capabilities, let alone has > them on those key sequences. > > Those are 'word processor' functions. word processor' software > is required. I know, I know.. I don't know why in a touchtyping course you need to teach kids this, but.. Anyway, abiword seems to do what I need. Let me know if there's anything lighter. Many thanks -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 24 19:35:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B2F106566B for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:35:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from moku60.aloha50.net (moku60.aloha50.net [66.180.132.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731F28FC0A for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:35:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by moku60.aloha50.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75AA1703E for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:26:48 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <4F96FE78.3000006@hdk5.net> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:26:48 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <201204241833.q3OIXwTR013401@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120424190227.GA1773@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <20120424190227.GA1773@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: noc@hdk5.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:35:31 -0000 Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 01:33:58PM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote: >>> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:50:26 +0100 >>> From: Anton Shterenlikht >>> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>> Subject: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U >>> >>> My daughter is doing a touch typing course >>> that presumes MS Word. So far she was fine >>> with pico, but now they want the kids to >>> practice CTRL/B (bold), CTRL/I (italic), >>> CTRL/U (underline). She really needs to use >>> these particular combinations because that >>> is how the on-line assessment tool is set out. >>> >>> I use nothing but vi, so have no clue which, >>> if any, editor from ports/editors will have >>> these particular combinations implemented. >>> >>> Please recommend one, preferably as simple >>> and as small as possible. >> Sorry *NO* 'text editor' has those capabilities, let alone has >> them on those key sequences. >> >> Those are 'word processor' functions. word processor' software >> is required. > > I know, I know.. > > I don't know why in a touchtyping course > you need to teach kids this, but.. > > Anyway, abiword seems to do what I need. > > Let me know if there's anything lighter. > > Many thanks > > Aloha I use abiword and send files in "word" or "text" to my wifes Windows box for her to use as needed. abiword translates to the MS format if you daughter has to turn in a file for an assignment. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 25 02:07:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122C6106566C for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:07:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emmakhaze@gmail.com) Received: from emailsaurus.com (emailsaurus.com [50.116.52.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D415D8FC14 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:07:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emailsaurus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by emailsaurus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A57EB22 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:07:31 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple; d=emailsaurus.com; h= message-id:mime-version:from:to:subject:date:content-type; s= postfix; bh=FC9vmRfHwbDWDRA3x3eS1QXk1z8=; b=QxDyrvMpiNHhm6ceklYK Jn10lH9dNFqR59/mULSvLBM3+3m7roE2g+jlkNizIck4gwgm9H6SI30UMmia0/E4 CuPdes+fa4B6zTLD3YUKnzZ3d/z5Obc+Qryf04+V8GZeH9JhipFzvgtsmTDSxtXO mNCP5hxhVh/4crL7JvXddgo= Message-Id: <9fHxxzFR6De3RmJesPRTYqJOsyqHqiVpuRClCrjbvYsi@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Emma Haze To: "there" Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:07:23 -0700 X-Bounce-Tracking-Info: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Broken link on your page X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:07:32 -0000 Hi there, I came across your website and wanted to notify you about a broken link on = your page in case you weren't aware of it=2E The link on cybershade=2Eus/fr= eebsd/www/security which links to http://www=2Eshmoo=2Ecom/securecode/ is n= o longer working=2E I've included a link to a useful page on Secure Programming that you could = replace the broken link with if you're interested in updating your website= =2E Thanks for providing a great resource! Link: http://www=2Eonlineitdegree=2Enet/resources/secure-programming/ Best, Emma From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 25 03:23:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7CA1065739 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 03:23:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789238FC0C for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 03:23:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-124-250.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.124.250]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1261C3CF86; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:23:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q3P3NdqX001930; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:23:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:23:39 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <20120425052339.28c5374f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 03:23:48 -0000 On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:50:26 +0100, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > My daughter is doing a touch typing course > that presumes MS Word. So far she was fine > with pico, but now they want the kids to > practice CTRL/B (bold), CTRL/I (italic), > CTRL/U (underline). She really needs to use > these particular combinations because that > is how the on-line assessment tool is set out. > > I use nothing but vi, so have no clue which, > if any, editor from ports/editors will have > these particular combinations implemented. > > Please recommend one, preferably as simple > and as small as possible. The subject says "editor", but bold, italics and underline do belong to the realm of microformatting, being part of old-fashioned WYSIWYG word processing. :-) If you want a small solution, I'd suggest using joe (Joe's Own Editor). It can be configured to use those keyboard shortcuts, but I'm not sure if it does support _displaying_ bold, italic or underlined text. As I said, that's _not_ what editors do. For _training purposes_, displaying the text with a kind of markup would be possible (and configurabe in the editor), e. g. This is bold text. -> *bold* This is italics text. -> /italics/ This is underlined text. -> _underlined_ In worst case, get "Wordpad" from a "Windows" install and use it with wine. That should be enough for practicing, but it requires a GUI setup. So does OpenOffice (or LibreOffice, KOffice or AbiWord), if you've already installed one of them. However, I'm questioning the _learning approach_ your daughter is experiencing. I can't think of anything _useful_ she would learn from that. It emphasizes the "what it looks like" more than "what it is" of text which has _proven_ to be the wrong approach. Using text block templates and applying them to "kinds of text" should be the preferred method. Yes, that is even possible in WYSIWYG word processors (such as OpenOffice). Teaching users (children, adults) some arbitrary key combinations to make "text look like" something will get them into trouble as soon as they want to do real work. MICROFORMATTING IS BAD. And key combinations may not be portable. I remember that some older german versions of "Word" did use CTRL/F, CTRL/K and CTRL/U for the same attributes, and that changed during the "evolution" of the program. Been there, seen it, seeing it every day; can't even eat as much as I want to vomit. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 25 03:30:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 817B31065670 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 03:30:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from czsq888@163.com) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590728FC0C for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 03:30:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SMswD-00041D-A1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:30:41 -0700 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:30:41 -0700 (PDT) From: sw2wolf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1335324641297-5663803.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Ports Libraries - Shared object "libz.so.5" not found X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 03:30:42 -0000 >ls -l /lib/libz* lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 9 4 22 09:00 /lib/libz.so.5@ -> libz.so.6 When i installed wine, it reported the same error which is fixed simply by = a symbolic link. ----- e^(=CF=80.i) + 1 =3D 0 -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Ports-Li= braries-Shared-object-libz-so-5-not-found-tp5662329p5663803.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 25 03:31:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651821065670 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 03:31:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 215B78FC0C for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 03:31:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-124-250.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.124.250]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E2113CD8A; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:31:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q3P3VXLv001940; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:31:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:31:33 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <20120425053133.e920b091.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120424190227.GA1773@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <201204241833.q3OIXwTR013401@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120424190227.GA1773@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 03:31:35 -0000 On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:02:27 +0100, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 01:33:58PM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote: > > > > > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:50:26 +0100 > > > From: Anton Shterenlikht > > > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > > Subject: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U > > > > > > My daughter is doing a touch typing course > > > that presumes MS Word. So far she was fine > > > with pico, but now they want the kids to > > > practice CTRL/B (bold), CTRL/I (italic), > > > CTRL/U (underline). She really needs to use > > > these particular combinations because that > > > is how the on-line assessment tool is set out. > > > > > > I use nothing but vi, so have no clue which, > > > if any, editor from ports/editors will have > > > these particular combinations implemented. > > > > > > Please recommend one, preferably as simple > > > and as small as possible. > > > > Sorry *NO* 'text editor' has those capabilities, let alone has > > them on those key sequences. > > > > Those are 'word processor' functions. word processor' software > > is required. > > I know, I know.. Seems that your "better paid friends" at the board of education do _not_ know. :-) > I don't know why in a touchtyping course > you need to teach kids this, but.. WHAT? Let me get some food, I need to barf. What does this have to do with touchtyping? What an educational ballast are they teaching? > Anyway, abiword seems to do what I need. > > Let me know if there's anything lighter. I'm not aware of anything lighter in the realm of word processors. All "alternatives" are full office suites, so the "single purpose" AbiWord (with less dependencies) should be the closest match and the most efficient one. It is even "file-compatible" with proprietary MICROS~1 products and offers a lot of the look & feel (which contradicts "blind" touchtyping) of "Word", at least some _older_ versions of it. Teaching children an outdated version of some program (which it _will_ be when they leave school) is not a good idea. It creates confision and inefficient handling of the wrong tools to do a job. "I want this to be a heading, I'm at... chapter 3.5 now, okay... this is 3.6 then. Then I select the text with the mouse... wait... okay, now [B] as I need a fat typeface, and maybe... make the text bigger... 15pt should be fine, no, 17 pt is better. Some spaces here... space space space space space, now it is centered. Good. Return Return Return, and now I can start with the text." Compare that _typical_ approach to simply applying the style "Heading 2". And imagine the fun of changing font face, font size or enumeration. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Mentions L=C3=A9gales : http://news.skoopon.fr/re?l=3Dot2c51I6wj553oI5 Conditions g=C3=A9n=C3=A9rales de ventes : http://news.skoopon.fr/re?l=3Dot= 2c51I6wj553oI6 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 25 06:45:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA33106564A for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:45:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AA68FC12 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:45:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncsc.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.41]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SMvyO-0006rG-Ef; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 07:45:09 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncsc.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SMvyO-0000Ib-7y; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 07:45:08 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3P6j7Ki004731; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 07:45:07 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q3P6j7xV004730; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 07:45:07 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bris.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bris.ac.uk using -f Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 07:45:07 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20120425064507.GA4673@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Polytropon , Anton Shterenlikht , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <201204241833.q3OIXwTR013401@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120424190227.GA1773@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425053133.e920b091.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120425053133.e920b091.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Anton Shterenlikht , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:45:10 -0000 On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 05:31:33AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:02:27 +0100, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 01:33:58PM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote: > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:50:26 +0100 > > > > From: Anton Shterenlikht > > > > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > > > Subject: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U > > > > > > > > My daughter is doing a touch typing course > > > > that presumes MS Word. So far she was fine > > > > with pico, but now they want the kids to > > > > practice CTRL/B (bold), CTRL/I (italic), > > > > CTRL/U (underline). She really needs to use > > > > these particular combinations because that > > > > is how the on-line assessment tool is set out. > > > > > > > > I use nothing but vi, so have no clue which, > > > > if any, editor from ports/editors will have > > > > these particular combinations implemented. > > > > > > > > Please recommend one, preferably as simple > > > > and as small as possible. > > > > > > Sorry *NO* 'text editor' has those capabilities, let alone has > > > them on those key sequences. > > > > > > Those are 'word processor' functions. word processor' software > > > is required. > > > > I know, I know.. > > Seems that your "better paid friends" at the board of > education do _not_ know. :-) > > > > > I don't know why in a touchtyping course > > you need to teach kids this, but.. > > WHAT? Let me get some food, I need to barf. What does this > have to do with touchtyping? What an educational ballast > are they teaching? > > > > > Anyway, abiword seems to do what I need. > > > > Let me know if there's anything lighter. > > I'm not aware of anything lighter in the realm of word > processors. All "alternatives" are full office suites, > so the "single purpose" AbiWord (with less dependencies) > should be the closest match and the most efficient one. > > It is even "file-compatible" with proprietary MICROS~1 > products and offers a lot of the look & feel (which > contradicts "blind" touchtyping) of "Word", at least > some _older_ versions of it. > > Teaching children an outdated version of some program > (which it _will_ be when they leave school) is not a good > idea. It creates confision and inefficient handling of > the wrong tools to do a job. > > "I want this to be a heading, I'm at... chapter 3.5 now, > okay... this is 3.6 then. Then I select the text with the > mouse... wait... okay, now [B] as I need a fat typeface, > and maybe... make the text bigger... 15pt should be fine, > no, 17 pt is better. Some spaces here... space space space > space space, now it is centered. Good. Return Return Return, > and now I can start with the text." > > Compare that _typical_ approach to simply applying the style > "Heading 2". And imagine the fun of changing font face, font > size or enumeration. :-) calm down man.. It's not too bad. On the positive side, she only needed this 2/3 into the course, when she can touch type already. Other extra things they teach kids in the course are how to write an informal letter or a job application - skills that most UK school leavers haven't got. sure, if I were designing the touch typing course, it would be different - I taught myself with games/gtypist, but.. On the other side, I have to admit, that overall things with computer education in the UK are bad. A report published by the Royal Society (UK equivalent of an Academy of Sciences in other countries) in January 2012 is tellingly entitled: Computing in Schools: Shut down or restart? and starts with: The current delivery of Computing education in many UK schools is highly unsatisfactory. and then goes: many pupils are not inspired by what they are taught and gain nothing beyond basic digital literacy skills such as how to use a word-processor or a database. It's a pretty depressing read: http://royalsociety.org/education/policy/computing-in-schools/report/ Anyway, those of us in a position to affect kids computer education, should do it, but it's an uphill battle. -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 25 06:55:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BF1106566C for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:55:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201EF8FC0A for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-124-250.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.124.250]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805113CB15; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:55:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q3P6ttvM002626; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:55:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:55:55 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <20120425085555.36f91b3a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120425064507.GA4673@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <201204241833.q3OIXwTR013401@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120424190227.GA1773@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425053133.e920b091.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120425064507.GA4673@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:55:58 -0000 On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 07:45:07 +0100, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 05:31:33AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:02:27 +0100, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 01:33:58PM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote: > > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:50:26 +0100 > > > > > From: Anton Shterenlikht > > > > > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > > > > Subject: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U > > > > > > > > > > My daughter is doing a touch typing course > > > > > that presumes MS Word. So far she was fine > > > > > with pico, but now they want the kids to > > > > > practice CTRL/B (bold), CTRL/I (italic), > > > > > CTRL/U (underline). She really needs to use > > > > > these particular combinations because that > > > > > is how the on-line assessment tool is set out. > > > > > > > > > > I use nothing but vi, so have no clue which, > > > > > if any, editor from ports/editors will have > > > > > these particular combinations implemented. > > > > > > > > > > Please recommend one, preferably as simple > > > > > and as small as possible. > > > > > > > > Sorry *NO* 'text editor' has those capabilities, let alone has > > > > them on those key sequences. > > > > > > > > Those are 'word processor' functions. word processor' software > > > > is required. > > > > > > I know, I know.. > > > > Seems that your "better paid friends" at the board of > > education do _not_ know. :-) > > > > > > > > > I don't know why in a touchtyping course > > > you need to teach kids this, but.. > > > > WHAT? Let me get some food, I need to barf. What does this > > have to do with touchtyping? What an educational ballast > > are they teaching? > > > > > > > > > Anyway, abiword seems to do what I need. > > > > > > Let me know if there's anything lighter. > > > > I'm not aware of anything lighter in the realm of word > > processors. All "alternatives" are full office suites, > > so the "single purpose" AbiWord (with less dependencies) > > should be the closest match and the most efficient one. > > > > It is even "file-compatible" with proprietary MICROS~1 > > products and offers a lot of the look & feel (which > > contradicts "blind" touchtyping) of "Word", at least > > some _older_ versions of it. > > > > Teaching children an outdated version of some program > > (which it _will_ be when they leave school) is not a good > > idea. It creates confision and inefficient handling of > > the wrong tools to do a job. > > > > "I want this to be a heading, I'm at... chapter 3.5 now, > > okay... this is 3.6 then. Then I select the text with the > > mouse... wait... okay, now [B] as I need a fat typeface, > > and maybe... make the text bigger... 15pt should be fine, > > no, 17 pt is better. Some spaces here... space space space > > space space, now it is centered. Good. Return Return Return, > > and now I can start with the text." > > > > Compare that _typical_ approach to simply applying the style > > "Heading 2". And imagine the fun of changing font face, font > > size or enumeration. :-) > > calm down man.. I'll keep calm and carry on. :-) > It's not too bad. > > On the positive side, she only needed this 2/3 into > the course, when she can touch type already. Other > extra things they teach kids in the course are how > to write an informal letter or a job application - skills > that most UK school leavers haven't got. Really? And I thought Germany was bad in this regards... Encouraging those skills is a very positive aspects, and touchtyping will be handy for everyone who will work with computers in a professional career. > sure, if I were designing the touch typing course, > it would be different - I taught myself with > games/gtypist, but.. I taught myself with a mechanical typewriter. :-) > On the other side, I have to admit, that overall > things with computer education in the UK are bad. > A report published by the Royal Society (UK > equivalent of an Academy of Sciences in other > countries) in January 2012 is tellingly entitled: > > Computing in Schools: Shut down or restart? > > and starts with: > > The current delivery of Computing education > in many UK schools is highly unsatisfactory. > > and then goes: > > many pupils are not inspired by what they > are taught and gain nothing beyond basic > digital literacy skills such as how to use > a word-processor or a database. > > It's a pretty depressing read: > > http://royalsociety.org/education/policy/computing-in-schools/report/ > > Anyway, those of us in a position to affect > kids computer education, should do it, but > it's an uphill battle. Thanks for that article, it's really sad. One of the main problems is (in my opinion) that GENERIC SKILLS aren't recognozed with the big importane they have. With them, a pupil can educate himself _regardless_ of the current program or operating system. Understanding the basic things "under the hood" is important to get those skills. They include even such stupid things like reading and understanding, as well as concluding or extrapolating. Being tied to _one_ specific implementation of some kind of program (e. g. _one_ outdated word processor) does not grow those skills. However, there is no real way to raise the _interest_ of a pupil in those things, given the fact that we live in a world of PCs and smart- phones everywhere, a world of arbitraryness, of "just works" and of "even stupid can do it". There seems to be no understanding of the fact that when "just works" fails, only generic knowledge will lead to a solution of a problem. This continues in the "professional" world where the belief that you can "buy everything" extends to knowledge, experience, time and success. Less and less "knowing" persons will be present in such a system, leading to the development of IT being a "mysterious thing of magic". This will of course be something that will materialize in the "long run", not right today. But the decisions of today will determine the future. (It can be different - I know it, I did live in a country that _was_ different.) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 25 07:56:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEFEC106566B for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 07:56:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq3.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq3.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.166]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935D88FC08 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 07:56:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.42.132] (helo=smtp1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq3.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SMwV5-0006UL-Tq for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:18:55 +0200 Received: from 5419839c.cm-5-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([84.25.131.156] helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SMwV5-0006KB-Lr for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:18:55 +0200 Received: from mbp.egypt.nl (mbp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.33]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7505339868 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:18:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Peter Boosten Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:18:55 +0200 Message-Id: To: Questions FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Ziggo-spambar: / X-Ziggo-spamscore: 0.4 X-Ziggo-spamreport: HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, KHOP_DYNAMIC=0.001, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.363, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Flag: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: slapd won't start anymore X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 07:56:50 -0000 Hi all, I'm wondering if anyone else is experiencing this: After portupgrading openldap-server24 from 2.4.30 to 2.4.31 slapd won't = start anymore, because of: "read_config: no serverID / URL match found. Check slapd -h arguments." Since this is in my rc.conf: slapd_flags=3D'-h "ldapi://%2fvar%2frun%2fopenldap%2fldapi/ = ldap://192.168.13.15/ ldaps://192.168.13.15/"' I thought the rc script was not correct anymore. But it turned out that = slapd somehow ignores the -h parameter: # /usr/local/libexec/slapd -h "ldapi://%2fvar%2frun%2fopenldap%2fldapi/ = ldap://192.168.13.15/ ldaps://192.168.13.15/" results in the same error message (in the log, it doesn't report = something wrong on the command line). --=20 Peter Boosten http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 25 08:32:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B251065672 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:32:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9420E8FC15 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:32:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3P89BWn028723; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:09:11 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <4F97B127.3020100@qeng-ho.org> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:09:11 +0100 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120423 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anton Shterenlikht , FreeBSD-Questions References: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <201204241833.q3OIXwTR013401@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120424190227.GA1773@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <20120424190227.GA1773@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:32:22 -0000 On 04/24/12 20:02, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 01:33:58PM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote: >> >>> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:50:26 +0100 >>> From: Anton Shterenlikht >>> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>> Subject: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U >>> >>> My daughter is doing a touch typing course >>> that presumes MS Word. So far she was fine >>> with pico, but now they want the kids to >>> practice CTRL/B (bold), CTRL/I (italic), >>> CTRL/U (underline). She really needs to use >>> these particular combinations because that >>> is how the on-line assessment tool is set out. >>> >>> I use nothing but vi, so have no clue which, >>> if any, editor from ports/editors will have >>> these particular combinations implemented. >>> >>> Please recommend one, preferably as simple >>> and as small as possible. >> >> Sorry *NO* 'text editor' has those capabilities, let alone has >> them on those key sequences. >> >> Those are 'word processor' functions. word processor' software >> is required. > > I know, I know.. > > I don't know why in a touchtyping course > you need to teach kids this, but.. > > Anyway, abiword seems to do what I need. > > Let me know if there's anything lighter. For a no brain, no effort solution, how about Google Docs? Otherwise, you might want to take a look at the port www/tinymce3. It's a JavaScript editor that runs in a browser and does word processorish things. You can see what it's like at http://www.tinymce.com/tryit/full.php (Javascript needed, fairly obviously :-) Caveat: I've never used it seriously, Abiword and/or Google Docs cover the few times I need to be compatible with the Windows world. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 25 11:22:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB15106564A for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:22:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vrwmiller@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 834788FC0C for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so332699obh.13 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 04:22:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5q+JIJJi7g78MH3GxD7p7wf52hF/AsFPm7heXsCnddE=; b=Ltdy6n+OThWnptQuMtem1mp/h4COuF/HUTL56rfZDB1dZVS915XwTr+C60A1vHMQXs HUGAVGelTbg96fomRFMXvKtrntDLNY+S1eodwVQLyCCpCyoVFgcteW/y1FCzGU21dUWe reRS6uctpR/PQe2kAv2ikHlWdR5sOLkO4RgGSO+tXoVzZwi3naFQK33swmQVqhhnhhgZ thcS6PzQWHTwg9fyvSch+OfMmNv/1tNtT5d3B93oGdgiTH2a2F1B7TKCSE9Nlrsg8ZbU QUtBsdic7KF+8UhrhxPUHJAtcVbiNBlnhU1QmOP7daDjytH2A1KgAZgfmBIDuUlnjQ6x vCNw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.169.67 with SMTP id ac3mr2669690obc.4.1335352942203; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 04:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Sender: vrwmiller@gmail.com Received: by 10.182.187.102 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 07:22:21 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: gkz34cK-PxtXLaeS06gWYaefqr8 Message-ID: From: Rick Miller To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: pxegrub + FreeBSD install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:22:23 -0000 I was able to figure out how to pass the variables to the FreeBSD mfsroot. I did so by modifying the grub.cfg file like the below: menuentry "freebsd82-x86_64" { kfreebsd /boot/kernel/kernel kfreebsd_loadenv /boot/device.hints kfreebsd_module /boot/mfsroot.gz type=3Dmfs_root set kFreeBSD.vfs.root.mountfrom=3Dufs:/dev/md0c set kFreeBSD.boot.nfsroot.server=3D$pxe_default_server set kFreeBSD.boot.netif.hwaddr=3D$net_pxe_mac set kFreeBSD.boot.netif.ip=3D$net_pxe_ip set kFreeBSD.dhcp.host-name=3D$net_pxe_hostname } On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Rick Miller wro= te: > Hi All, > > I am attempting to build FreeBSD 8.x-RELEASE over the network via PXE. > =A0I chain pxegrub to pxelinux and load the FreeBSD kernel and mfsroot > through pxegrub with the following: > > menuentry "freebsd-x86_64" { > =A0 kfreebsd /boot/kernel/kernel > =A0 kfreebsd_loadenv /boot/device.hints > =A0 kfreebsd_module /boot/mfsroot.gz type=3Dmfs_root > =A0 set kFreeBSD.vfs.root.mountfrom=3Dufs:/dev/md0c > } > > The mfsroot.gz is from the installation DVD with a couple of scripts > and an install.cfg which result in a non-interactive install. =A0I set > variables necessary to allow sysinstall to retrieve the expected > files. =A0The variables (previously) are populated as follows: > > server=3D`kenv -q boot.nfsroot.server` > mac=3D`kenv -q boot.netif.hwaddr` > ip=3D`kenv -q boot.netif.ip` > nm=3D`kenv -q boot.netif.netmask` > gw=3D`kenv -q boot.netif.gateway` > name=3D`kenv -q dhcp.host-name` > route=3D`kenv -q dhcp.routers` > > > The mfsroot.gz does not see these as set when the environment loads > through pxegrub. =A0If I load the environment through pxeboot.bs, the > variables populate ok. =A0Unfortunately, with pxeboot.bs I experience > extremely high tftp failure rates when compared to pxegrub. > > My question is how should I populate these variables in the mfsroot.gz > when loading via pxegrub? > > > -- > Take care > Rick Miller --=20 Take care Rick Miller From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 25 12:03:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27551065673 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:03:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xavierfreebsdquestions@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7190A8FC25 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:03:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl9 with SMTP id l9so1288299yen.13 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:03:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=qmzNRYGOxoKSPNtx9PVuIqNEubEtiGaYxklJNuQQCsI=; b=X4U+/457Pli/yU6n8PDd45zMRHdQlj2xb/HY5eOQbtHeKLb3kcxad7ewDaRTb6bGW3 6aEsYAPImTvqvLZEe9drIhxUMx8314vySkrU7ystPRnkmv5xLBRlt2nGLpXmMwgXpUjS orTgUCTe6+eEyUsVdVBdwzumGRHv9x6CnqPyG2POBZ84xjHfnSUZCLQh5gZZ1RPi5NHa GCRs/PvaxJO5F9Cv47i82SNUkKjRctp5FIEsp6fIwyGgyoUKLJAXaBOeUi+Y7JlYPjyz PBTBC/6mIx17fvFnGiBE5rp7E8u25H9FxgaWRnx4h+rVjIMxFVqdtzXz8BaRLAhTFl03 m2tQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.73.99 with SMTP id u63mr2163339yhd.102.1335355405828; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.147.153.12 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:03:25 +0200 Message-ID: From: Xavier To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Is ready for use an USB bluetooth adapter ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:03:26 -0000 Hi, I plug-in an USB bluetooth adapter to 9.0-RELEASE. I get the *ONLY* logs: ugen2.2: at usbus2 ubt0: on usbus2 I test: % uname -a FreeBSD casa 9.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE #0: Tue Jan 3 07:15:25 UTC 2012 root@obrian.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 # ngctl li There are 8 total nodes: Name: btsock_l2c_raw Type: btsock_l2c_raw ID: 00000004 Num hooks: 1 Name: ngctl94816 Type: socket ID: 00000020 Num hooks: 0 Name: btsock_sco Type: btsock_sco ID: 00000006 Num hooks: 0 Name: ubt0hci Type: hci ID: 00000016 Num hooks: 3 Name: btsock_hci_raw Type: btsock_hci_raw ID: 00000003 Num hooks: 1 Name: ubt0l2cap Type: l2cap ID: 0000001a Num hooks: 3 Name: btsock_l2c Type: btsock_l2c ID: 00000005 Num hooks: 1 Name: ubt0 Type: ubt ID: 00000014 Num hooks: 1 My question is: the USB bluetooth adapter is ready for work with FreeBSD at the moment ? Thanks, see you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 25 12:31:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 724CB106566B for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:31:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CBF38FC16 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:31:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SN1NU-0005RC-8F for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:31:24 +0200 Received: from np-19-75.prenet.pl ([np-19-75.prenet.pl]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:31:24 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by np-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:31:24 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:31:14 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 15 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/10.0.2) Subject: FreeBSD vice OS X memory management X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:31:27 -0000 Hi, does OS X kernel share any code with FreeBSD kernel's memory management subsystem ? Something is deeply broken in OS X memory management http://workstuff.tumblr.com/post/20464780085/something-is-deeply-broken-in-os-x- memory-management One of the problems that caught my eyes was inactive memory reclamation. I remember some time ago there was a thread here with similar topic. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2012-March/239121.html jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 25 13:02:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471351065673 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:02:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) Received: from mxin.ulb.ac.be (mxin.ulb.ac.be [164.15.128.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C684C8FC14 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:02:34 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAMj0l0+kD30E/2dsb2JhbAANOIVorx1VPRYLAgQHAwIBAgFLDQgBAbAoigmJCY9fgRgEjnWBI4tEjUg Received: from bebif01.ulb.ac.be (HELO [10.0.0.194]) ([164.15.125.4]) by smtp.ulb.ac.be with ESMTP; 25 Apr 2012 15:01:25 +0200 Message-ID: <4F97F5A5.9080807@ulb.ac.be> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:01:25 +0200 From: Julien Cigar Organization: Belgian Biodiversity Platform User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120314 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010408090706040002030909" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: GPT + gmirror X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:02:35 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010408090706040002030909 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, I wondered if there is a way to gmirroring the whole disk (not slices separately) when using GPT? GPT puts its metadata at the end of the disk, and when I start to use gmirror it overwrites the GPT metadata (... as gmirror puts also its metadata at the end of the disk ...). I noticed a new option in the newfs manpage: -r reserved The size, in sectors, of reserved space at the end of the parti‐ tion specified in special. This space will not be occupied by the file system; it can be used by other consumers such as geom(4). Defaults to 0. I wondered if it could help .. ? Why does it default to 0? Thanks, Julien -- No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. --------------010408090706040002030909-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 25 13:24:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7241A106566C for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:24:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mtv.lviv@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48AEE8FC15 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbcwz17 with SMTP id wz17so1562548pbc.13 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:24:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=e8o8kWqgVlWa70tde3oKn1AV2+A37jCSTZ2EvonhFEg=; b=reyyZlFPDYyM07BlmNSlyofmnk+gw+o7vDRzPtvnuoqT6pFFVanw2TCw3MQ5+0A2+Q qMD+HtkGfe6REmVPDg7cfChoQyAoRMIv02FR+y1qxYKQ+D6UxbLeApQaMwKWG+xNGrkp RNR6R0kyPBKQ/3rFwwoWBUksbvpOaztjKuQu0H7U+DYmahdYRB5S4TqMmWdxkdDGZZEF VuuRsUoGPHcmCL1Nuqwka0Qh7umDIwt0COSpCnMrCcP+8nJP1av21ki0Lf/Mg5r5h3wj KOH03Oy+5Ty9xnKCO1FondDxO9nM9uaImoc9nn4Yk6PWmh3vBxVuOcEP15pjo2sXSWrf a2FQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.194.72 with SMTP id hu8mr7478216pbc.26.1335360282867; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.241.233 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:24:42 +0300 Message-ID: From: Taras Marusin To: questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: FreeBSD problem reports - bin/167156 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:24:43 -0000 Hello! How can I track the solution to this problem? T.Marusin ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: 2012/4/21 Subject: Re: bin/167156: looping process mksnap_ffs when run in a chroot environment named. CPU 100% To: Taras Marusin Thank you very much for your problem report. It has the internal identification `bin/167156'. The individual assigned to look at your report is: freebsd-bugs. You can access the state of your problem report at any time via this link: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=167156 >Category: bin >Responsible: freebsd-bugs >Synopsis: looping process mksnap_ffs when run in a chroot environment named. CPU 100% >Arrival-Date: Sat Apr 21 07:10:10 UTC 2012 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 25 13:29:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495B01065675 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:29:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from c_longfoot@hotmail.com) Received: from snt0-omc4-s4.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc4-s4.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.207]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DA608FC12 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:29:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SNT121-W44 ([65.55.90.199]) by snt0-omc4-s4.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:28:26 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [15.195.185.83] From: Carolyn Longfoot To: Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:28:26 +0000 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2012 13:28:26.0725 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BBF9950:01CD22E7] Subject: Thumbnail Image Viewer for Large Number of Files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:29:32 -0000 Hello! I'm looking for recommendations for an image viewer that does not choke on = a large number of files=2C I tried fotoxx but that dies on > 20=2C000 files= and other tools (like danpei) seem to want to read all files first before = displaying any thumbnails. Is there a tool that just dynamically reads the = files and builds thumbnails as one pages through the collection? I do reali= ze that this is not quite as fast as pre-cached thumbnails but with >300k i= mages that's just not an option=2C anything I tried either crashes or just = sits there for hours. The images are about 50k each=2C coming from a networ= k camera. Ideally I would like to choose a thumbnail size that suits me=2C fill the s= creen with them and then select the ones that are uninteresting (could be a= cross several screens/pages) and delete the original files. Maybe somebody had and solved a similar challenge. Or should I just be smar= ter and collect each day into it's own directory? 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[1] ftp://ftp.kworld.com.tw/kworld/manual/manual_install/dvd_maker_usb2.0/DVD_MKAER_Installation_Eng%20V1.0.pdf # usbconfig | grep ugen4.6 ugen4.6: at usbus4, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=HIGH (480Mb ps) pwr=ON >From em28xx(4) man page, I see: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Em28xx_devices web site and I don't recognize my device, but the more identically is "KWorld PVRTV 300U". Thanks, see you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 25 16:35:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD26106566B for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:35:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F7C8FC17 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:35:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa03 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa03.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q3PGZ9rp030980; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:35:20 -0500 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.16]) by ltcfislmsgpa03.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 14emwv8002-24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:35:20 -0500 Received: from dtwin (10.14.152.15) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.16) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.283.3; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:35:09 -0500 From: Sender: Devin Teske To: "'Carolyn Longfoot'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:35:36 -0700 Message-ID: <051a01cd2301$71c50850$554f18f0$@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHgyxS6t6sjfGPnEibV/XPIgo+FTpaEa/+w Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.15] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580, 1.0.260, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-25_05:2012-04-25, 2012-04-25, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: Subject: RE: Thumbnail Image Viewer for Large Number of Files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:35:21 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Carolyn Longfoot > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:28 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Thumbnail Image Viewer for Large Number of Files > > > > Hello! > > I'm looking for recommendations for an image viewer that does not choke on a > large number of files, I tried fotoxx but that dies on > 20,000 files and other tools > (like danpei) seem to want to read all files first before displaying any thumbnails. > Is there a tool that just dynamically reads the files and builds thumbnails as one > pages through the collection? I do realize that this is not quite as fast as pre- > cached thumbnails but with >300k images that's just not an option, anything I > tried either crashes or just sits there for hours. The images are about 50k each, > coming from a network camera. > > Ideally I would like to choose a thumbnail size that suits me, fill the screen with > them and then select the ones that are uninteresting (could be across several > screens/pages) and delete the original files. > > Maybe somebody had and solved a similar challenge. Or should I just be smarter > and collect each day into it's own directory? > As a test, I created 50,000 JPG's in one directory. Then I ran "gthumb -" Then I navigated to the folder containing 50,000 images. Took about 45 seconds to initially display the contents of the folder. Application remained usable and used only 100MB of RAM (stable/steady). NOTE: You have to invoke it in the above manner because obviously attempting to pass 50,000 arguments to any application on the command-line will exceed the maximum number of arguments. So there you go. graphics/gthumb from ports is your answer. -- Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 25 17:44:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B937106567D for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:44:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from nk11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.158.161.0]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66FA48FC0A for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:44:20 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_6dVzY0xqeRbHMRijyOhwCQ)" Received: from cswiger1.apple.com (unknown [17.209.4.71]) by nk11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0M31004CIQLEL450@nk11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:44:03 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-25_05:2012-04-25, 2012-04-25, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1204250165 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:44:02 -0700 Message-id: <2FCC4ECF-DAC2-4701-B392-B0415528A4C7@mac.com> References: To: jb X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD vice OS X memory management X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:44:20 -0000 --Boundary_(ID_6dVzY0xqeRbHMRijyOhwCQ) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:31 AM, jb wrote: > does OS X kernel share any code with FreeBSD kernel's memory management subsystem ? The simple answer is no. A more complex answer: % grep -ri freebsd xnu-1699.24.23 | wc -l 520 % grep -ril freebsd xnu-1699.24.23 | sort | uniq --Boundary_(ID_6dVzY0xqeRbHMRijyOhwCQ) Content-type: text/plain; name=xnu_1699_FreeBSD_list.txt Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: attachment; filename=xnu_1699_FreeBSD_list.txt % grep -ril freebsd xnu-1699.24.23 | sort | uniq ~/Downloads xnu-1699.24.23/EXTERNAL_HEADERS/stdbool.h xnu-1699.24.23/bsd/bsm/audit.h xnu-1699.24.23/bsd/bsm/audit_domain.h xnu-1699.24.23/bsd/bsm/audit_errno.h xnu-1699.24.23/bsd/bsm/audit_fcntl.h xnu-1699.24.23/bsd/bsm/audit_kevents.h xnu-1699.24.23/bsd/crypto/aes/gen/aesopt.h xnu-1699.24.23/bsd/crypto/blowfish/bf_enc.c xnu-1699.24.23/bsd/crypto/blowfish/bf_locl.h xnu-1699.24.23/bsd/crypto/blowfish/bf_pi.h xnu-1699.24.23/bsd/crypto/blowfish/bf_skey.c xnu-1699.24.23/bsd/crypto/blowfish/blowfish.h xnu-1699.24.23/bsd/crypto/cast128/cast128.c xnu-1699.24.23/bsd/crypto/cast128/cast128.h 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Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Something is deeply broken in OS X memory management > http://workstuff.tumblr.com/post/20464780085/something-is-deeply-broken-in-os-x- > memory-management Hmm. Certainly it is true that things like mds and the Safari Web Content are rather memory hungry, and having mds generating initial indexes or doing a big update will slow down Time Machine due to disk I/O contention. Flushing the inactive pages and blowing away disk caching can help performance of a foreground task at the expense of background tasks, but tuning for overall throughput and avoiding deadlock / livelock is probably a wiser design decision than concentrating purely on foreground tasks. Killing off the VM pager is extreme: most folks prefer a program to continue to run rather than crash, although the latter behavior is also a sign that the program itself is not well-written. > One of the problems that caught my eyes was inactive memory reclamation. > I remember some time ago there was a thread here with similar topic. > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2012-March/239121.html Yes. Understanding VM takes a fair amount of background knowledge and making useful comparisons (ie, testable, repeatable, etc) involves gathering data. Filing good bug reports with data and reproducible test cases helps problems get resolved. Regards, -- -Chuck --Boundary_(ID_6dVzY0xqeRbHMRijyOhwCQ)-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 25 17:52:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5209B1065670 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:52:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (24-240-198-187.static.stls.mo.charter.com [24.240.198.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106838FC0C for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:52:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.dweimer.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3PHq3NV004223 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:52:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:52:02 -0500 From: "Dean E. Weimer" To: Mail-Reply-To: In-Reply-To: <9b0a9a920c5e70508e78cfa0e7e00db1@www.dweimer.net> References: <15eb19d114c2b3d3b0469bc2f9fbdb33@www.dweimer.net> <7feaa1faeb71b57e89b8f6935f90d4b3@www.dweimer.net> <9b0a9a920c5e70508e78cfa0e7e00db1@www.dweimer.net> Message-ID: <908b7571c8a709177a25cde907e0fa70@www.dweimer.net> X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.6 Subject: Re: ntpd problems after port updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:52:10 -0000 On 23.04.2012 14:52, Dean E. Weimer wrote: > On 23.04.2012 14:10, Chuck Swiger wrote: >> On Apr 23, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Dean E. Weimer wrote: >>> Tried rebuilding without the with SSL option set, oddly it started >>> once after that, but a restart caused same behavior. gdb doesn't >>> give me anything that I know how to interpret, gdb -c /ntpd.core. (I >>> haven't really used gdb before, so if I am not doing something >>> correctly with it, please feel free to let me know) >> >> Ah, you need to build ntpd with -g in CFLAGS & LDFLAGS for debugging >> symbols to be present.... >> > > at the risk of sounding like an complete n00b, how do I do that? > After reading through the make man page, I decided on trying to build > the port with "make CFLAGS+=-g LDFLAGS+=-g install clean" however I > still get the no debugging symbols found message. Does the > information in in the Makefile for the port overwrite this option > from > the command line? Or am I just using the incorrect syntax here? > > (gdb) file /usr/local/bin/ntpd > Reading symbols from /usr/local/bin/ntpd...(no debugging symbols > found)...done. Even more odd, I decided to go ahead and try a couple more systems, as this was working fine on my test system and one production system before I got to the one that broke. I now have it running on 4 production systems and 1 test system. The problem is on 2 production systems one with the openssl option one without, both these systems are running on identical hardware (Dell PowerEdge R310 purchased on same order). The other two production systems are both totally different hardware wise, one is virtual on an ESX4 server, the other is on a custom built machine. The first of which had the problem I did a fresh make buildworld and install last night as well as a rebuild of all ports. Problem still persists. I am not sure what it is about these servers that's causing the problem, all other applications are running fine the configurations on these systems are all very similar, almost all the same ports installed. One of the systems has a few more ports installed as its has more web based applications, but the virtual production server has the same ports installed, built with the same /etc/make.conf and /etc/src.conf options against the same /var/db/ports/ directory so they ports were installed with the same settings, only difference is the run time configuration, however the ntpd configuration is the same on all systems. I have also discovered since the last email that the -d option isn't necessary to keep it running, the -n option which keeps it from detaching from the session will work as well. I worked around the issue for now by manually running it with daemon and adding the -n so its detached and running. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 25 18:48:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67101106566B for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:48:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA578FC12 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:48:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SN7GL-0003nC-7D for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:48:25 +0200 Received: from np-19-75.prenet.pl ([np-19-75.prenet.pl]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:48:25 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by np-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:48:25 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:48:13 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 57 Message-ID: References: <2FCC4ECF-DAC2-4701-B392-B0415528A4C7@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/10.0.2) Subject: Re: FreeBSD vice OS X memory management X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:48:32 -0000 Chuck Swiger mac.com> writes: > > On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:31 AM, jb wrote: > > does OS X kernel share any code with FreeBSD kernel's memory management subsystem ? > > The simple answer is no. A more complex answer: > > % grep -ri freebsd xnu-1699.24.23 | wc -l > 520 > > % grep -ril freebsd xnu-1699.24.23 | sort | uniq > > > > % grep -ril freebsd xnu-1699.24.23 | sort | uniq > ~/Downloads > xnu-1699.24.23/EXTERNAL_HEADERS/stdbool.h > xnu-1699.24.23/bsd/bsm/audit.h > ... Right, MM subsys is not part of BSD import. But XNU kernel is a combo of Mach and old BSD kernel parts. There was some discussion here: http://www.osnews.com/comments/25861 where two comments are of interest: "I'm quite sure that the memory manager of OSX wasn't derived from BSD, but from Mach. Actually, FreeBSD has adapted that memory manager, so it's rather the other way around. But Apple might learn from the way FreeBSD does things. If it is feasible, as the kernel is quite different." "The related implementation in FreeBSD seems to have a similar problem: NetBSD users have also reported that UVM’s im- provements have had a positive effect on their applica- tions. This is most noticeable when physical memory becomes scarce and the VM system must page out data to free up memory. Under BSD VM this type of paging causes the system to become highly unresponsive, while under UVM the system slows while paging but does not become unresponsive. http://static.usenix.org/event/usenix99/full_papers/cranor/cranor.p... Should be easy to fix: just start to page out some stuff in time before there is no memory left." When I browsed the USENIX paper (dated 1999) I understood that it is indeed possible that FreeBSD may have imported some Mach's MM code in those early BSD VM days. And over time since then some ideas (if not exact code) may have migrated between OS X and FreeBSD MM subsystems. If so, the problems experienced may be similar or identical even today. jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 26 05:04:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBCE61065670 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 05:04:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738738FC14 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 05:04:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SNGsq-0008MT-Ex for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 07:04:48 +0200 Received: from np-19-75.prenet.pl ([np-19-75.prenet.pl]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 07:04:48 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by np-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 07:04:48 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 05:04:34 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <2FCC4ECF-DAC2-4701-B392-B0415528A4C7@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/10.0.2) Subject: Re: FreeBSD vice OS X memory management X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 05:04:51 -0000 jb gmail.com> writes: > ... > "The related implementation in FreeBSD seems to have a similar problem: > > NetBSD users have also reported that UVM’s im- provements have had a positive > effect on their applica- tions. This is most noticeable when physical memory > becomes scarce and the VM system must page out data to free up memory. > Under BSD VM this type of paging causes the system to become highly > unresponsive, while > under UVM the system slows while paging but does not become unresponsive. > http://static.usenix.org/event/usenix99/full_papers/cranor/cranor.p... > > Should be easy to fix: just start to page out some stuff in time before > there is no memory left." > ... Would this mean that FreeBSD's (and Mach's ?) MM subsys are behind NetBSD's ? If so, should FreeBSD adopt NetBSD's MM subsys, or just improve itself surgically ? jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 26 05:57:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA176106566C for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 05:57:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 216F98FC0C for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 05:57:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.93.1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (account sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.125.240] verified) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPSA id 26030882 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:57:36 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3Q4vZuu037662 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:57:36 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q3Q4vZZD037659 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:57:35 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:57:35 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120426045735.GA37515@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.livejournal.com/pubkey.bml?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: getty + cu, blocking mode, dialout X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 05:57:45 -0000 Colleagues, If there is a getty on /dev/ttyu0, should I be able to dialout from the /dev/cuau0 device? I remember that several years ago a getty did not interfere with dialout if you used a special dialout device, but now it does not seem to be the case: # cu -s 9600 -l /dev/cuau0 link down # grep ttyu0 /etc/ttys ttyu0 "/usr/libexec/getty ppp.57600" dialup on insecure # # grep -A4 ppp.57600 /etc/gettytab ppp.57600:\ :im=User Access Verification\n\n:\ :pp=/etc/ppp/ppplogin:\ :tc=std.57600: # I can only dialout after setting ttyu0 to off and "init q". It is all happening on 8.2-RELEASE-p6 i386. There is an external modem attached to the ttyu0 line. Here is a ktrace of cu: http://zalil.ru/33111377 Thank you very much for any input. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 26 06:57:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D97E106564A for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 06:57:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19E88FC08 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 06:57:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by weyt57 with SMTP id t57so692576wey.13 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:57:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=F/xR49ELrwXRIrXwte2eGOw5TtM9h4IHshLBNxr9wBM=; b=x2HGCXYy5aET4uYkEU8dyR+Gdu+oOv8PswBPnNBH7R5BYzP3Z2TBrCpCvrZ4L4SKEx NX866dnMfr3O96qgpBlrZCGkiNitkjGV2E8b18iTFLGQ0mmBv7SbnRqNJf08KHHaaZUF NmRxXAOGLvH7TCIpTiHiqpCGWGMvukzYaIUQBgbsOhp71sM5/f4ULQ5SLQr4T5/srg3I ZEENeNvJnLhTIHQgpAcjEtSE2J142HiMhiOqkrSih53Bm+3WkdcjMBup6P9d47Ke/UF0 +DJfF/hrpn5gfXoZ2FBTjKp5ecx/1rCxpYUm6RLzGqw1QU41ih88nKUIu9L3w5SudjNc cBbg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.24.35 with SMTP id r3mr48046465wif.7.1335423074223; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.96.140 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:51:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <2FCC4ECF-DAC2-4701-B392-B0415528A4C7@mac.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 01:51:14 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: jb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD vice OS X memory management X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 06:57:01 -0000 On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:04 AM, jb wrote: > If so, should FreeBSD adopt NetBSD's MM subsys, or just improve itself > surgically ? > You ought first establish there is a problem. What you have cited is recently reinvigorated trend that has taken on the air of the "BDS is dying" troll. What you have is a set of computer users with no understanding of kernel internals attempting to diagnose some sort of possibly legitimate problem by reaching conclusion via rumor and guesswork. These people can be taken about as seriously as those who insist the moon landing was fake and other bizarre ignorant pseudo-science. http://workstuff.tumblr.com/post/19036310553/two-things-that-really-helped-speed-up-my-mac-and http://dywypi.org/2012/02/back-on-linux.html When you have a test case illustrating your feared FreeBSD VM shortcomings, you may at that point begin to attract developer interest. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 26 08:32:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6ED106564A for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:32:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E398FC12 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:32:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SNK8A-0002xH-Jl for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:32:50 +0200 Received: from np-19-75.prenet.pl ([np-19-75.prenet.pl]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:32:50 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by np-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:32:50 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:32:39 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <2FCC4ECF-DAC2-4701-B392-B0415528A4C7@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/10.0.2) Subject: Re: FreeBSD vice OS X memory management X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:32:54 -0000 Adam Vande More gmail.com> writes: > ... > http://workstuff.tumblr.com/post/19036310553/two-things-that-really-helped- > speed-up-my-mac-and > http://dywypi.org/2012/02/back-on-linux.html > "2) Inactive memory (which is memory that has been recently used but is no longer) is supposed to be seamlessly reclaimed automatically by the OS when needed for new programs. In practice, I’ve found that this isn’t the case, and my system slows to a crawl and starts paging out to disk when free memory drops to zero, even as half of the available RAM (which is a lot) is marked as inactive. ..." Well, this is not a case of a "BSD is dying" troll (you can safely ignore those). The above and the past FreeBSD thread here, both I referred to, have something in common - the system seems to progressively come under stress due to what one user experienced as "missing memory", and other two users experienced (as shown here above) as inefficient (or lack of) early reclamation of inactive pages. We just want the devs and users make aware of things. jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 26 09:48:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 147D2106564A for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:48:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCE08FC0C for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:48:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SNL52-0006Mp-8y for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:33:40 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-99-96.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.99.96]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:33:40 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-99-96.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:33:40 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 05:33:24 -0400 Lines: 57 Message-ID: References: <2FCC4ECF-DAC2-4701-B392-B0415528A4C7@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-99-96.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: FreeBSD vice OS X memory management X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:48:43 -0000 Adam Vande More wrote: > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:04 AM, jb wrote: > >> If so, should FreeBSD adopt NetBSD's MM subsys, or just improve itself >> surgically ? >> > > You ought first establish there is a problem. What you have cited is > recently reinvigorated trend that has taken on the air of the "BDS is > dying" troll. What you have is a set of computer users with no > understanding of kernel internals attempting to diagnose some sort of > possibly legitimate problem by reaching conclusion via rumor and > guesswork. These people can be taken about as seriously as those who > insist the moon landing was fake and other bizarre ignorant > pseudo-science. > > http://workstuff.tumblr.com/post/19036310553/two-things-that-really-helped- speed-up-my-mac-and > http://dywypi.org/2012/02/back-on-linux.html > > When you have a test case illustrating your feared FreeBSD VM > shortcomings, you may at that point begin to attract developer interest. > To the OP: A potential first test case where the symptom is "my system slows to a crawl and starts paging out to disk" might be to build a kernel with the SCHED_4BSD scheduler. There have been a couple of edge/corner cases that sound like this. That is, if you really have a problem and want to try eliminating one possibility. Another thing that shows up in things like top is it breaks and does not report accurate values for anything when userland and kernel are out of sync, that is if it runs at all without segfaulting. World and kernel being out of sync would be operator error. In this case the values you are using to somehow relate the symptom to memory management would be false. As far as all the rest, such as something being "deeply broken in OS X memory management", mentions of NetBSD memory management, etc, are all irrelevant. It is this wild mix of stuff seemingly non-related to any problem in FreeBSD per se, that makes this look like a troll. If you really are having a problem with FreeBSD you are going to have to do a lot better than this in terms of providing some data points which define the problem. I am in agreement with Adam here: either you can work the problem or you can troll. I don't see any indication yet of any real problem analysis, only a wild mix of stuff non-related to FreeBSD sprinkled with some magic 'memory management' dust. Sorry if this comes across the wrong way, but this really looks like troll material to me too - it has a great resemblance to a pattern trolls have used for many years. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 26 14:25:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D7C106566B for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:25:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6138FC16 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SNPd5-0003vm-IN for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:25:07 +0200 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:25:07 +0200 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:25:07 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:37:44 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 10 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.135 (Tomorrow I'll Wake Up and Scald Myself with Tea; GIT 30dc37b master) Subject: Python module wnck? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:25:09 -0000 I'm trying to get screenlets up and running on 9.0, but I'm getting the following Python error: ImportError: No module named wnck I believe that this should be supplied by a a package or port named something like py27-wnck, but am unable to trace any such. Can anyone point me in the right direction please? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 26 14:37:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DF9106564A for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:37:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35B8A8FC16 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:37:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-124-250.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.124.250]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D6F1D942; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:37:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q3QEb6Os004939; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:37:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:37:06 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Walter Hurry Message-Id: <20120426163706.1de4534d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Python module wnck? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:37:15 -0000 On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:37:44 +0000 (UTC), Walter Hurry wrote: > I'm trying to get screenlets up and running on 9.0, but I'm getting the > following Python error: > > ImportError: No module named wnck > > I believe that this should be supplied by a a package or port named > something like py27-wnck, but am unable to trace any such. > > Can anyone point me in the right direction please? Use the ports, Luke. :-) % cd /usr/ports % make search name=wnck And a result: Port: libwnck-2.30.6 Path: /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/libwnck Info: Library used for writing pagers and taskslists More checks: % cat less x11-toolkits/libwnck/pkg-descr "libwnck is a Window Navigator Construction Kit, i.e. a library used for writing pagers and taskslists. It is needed for the GNOME 2.0 desktop." Does this look like what you're searchin for? I know it's not specified to be a Python module, but maybe it interfaces with Python somehow? You can also use "make search key=wnck" to bring up a list of keyword search results. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 26 14:51:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA527106566B for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:51:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rodperson@rodperson.com) Received: from www6.pairlite.com (www6.pairlite.com [64.130.10.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963C48FC0C for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from unknown (unknown-ip-614.ccbh.upmc.edu [128.147.110.113]) by www6.pairlite.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 41A04B829; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:43:23 -0400 From: Rod Person To: Walter Hurry Message-ID: <20120426104323.000031e3@unknown> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10cvs7 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Python module wnck? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:51:09 -0000 On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:37:44 +0000 (UTC) Walter Hurry wrote: > I'm trying to get screenlets up and running on 9.0, but I'm getting > the following Python error: > > ImportError: No module named wnck > > I believe that this should be supplied by a a package or port named > something like py27-wnck, but am unable to trace any such. > > Can anyone point me in the right direction please? It's been a year or two since I tried to get screenlets running, but as I recall you need to get python wnck module yourself. libwnck is in the ports which is needed for the python module. -- Rod Person http://www.rodperson.com rodperson@rodperson.com 'Silence is a fence around wisdom' From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 26 17:21:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688E8106566C for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:21:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 212148FC14 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SNSNG-0005GW-ER for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:20:58 +0200 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:20:58 +0200 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:20:58 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:20:46 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <20120426104323.000031e3@unknown> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.135 (Tomorrow I'll Wake Up and Scald Myself with Tea; GIT 30dc37b master) Subject: Re: Python module wnck? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:21:00 -0000 On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:43:23 -0400, Rod Person wrote: > On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:37:44 +0000 (UTC) > Walter Hurry wrote: > >> I'm trying to get screenlets up and running on 9.0, but I'm getting the >> following Python error: >> >> ImportError: No module named wnck >> >> I believe that this should be supplied by a a package or port named >> something like py27-wnck, but am unable to trace any such. >> >> Can anyone point me in the right direction please? > > > It's been a year or two since I tried to get screenlets running, but as > I recall you need to get python wnck module yourself. libwnck is in the > ports which is needed for the python module. Thanks. libwnck is already installed, so I downloaded gnome-python- desktop-2.32.0.tar.bz2 from ftp.gnome.org, which apparently contains the Python wnck module. I was intending to make the whole thing, but then install only the bit I need. Unfortunately when it came to compile wnck, the following error was displayed: libtool: link: `/usr/local/lib/libxcb-aux.la' is not a valid libtool archive Indeed it isn't. There is no such file, even though libxcb is installed. Any thoughts? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 26 17:29:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014CE1065670 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:29:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B30CC8FC16 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:29:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3QHTidA021462; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:29:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q3QHTiA9021459; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:29:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:29:44 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Walter Hurry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20120426104323.000031e3@unknown> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:29:44 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Python module wnck? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:29:45 -0000 On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, Walter Hurry wrote: > On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:43:23 -0400, Rod Person wrote: > >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:37:44 +0000 (UTC) >> Walter Hurry wrote: >> >>> I'm trying to get screenlets up and running on 9.0, but I'm getting the >>> following Python error: >>> >>> ImportError: No module named wnck >>> >>> I believe that this should be supplied by a a package or port named >>> something like py27-wnck, but am unable to trace any such. >>> >>> Can anyone point me in the right direction please? >> >> >> It's been a year or two since I tried to get screenlets running, but as >> I recall you need to get python wnck module yourself. libwnck is in the >> ports which is needed for the python module. > > Thanks. libwnck is already installed, so I downloaded gnome-python- > desktop-2.32.0.tar.bz2 from ftp.gnome.org, which apparently contains the > Python wnck module. > > I was intending to make the whole thing, but then install only the bit I > need. Unfortunately when it came to compile wnck, the following error was > displayed: > > libtool: link: `/usr/local/lib/libxcb-aux.la' is not a valid libtool > archive > > Indeed it isn't. There is no such file, even though libxcb is installed. http://forums.freebsd.org/showpost.php?p=163415&postcount=17 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 26 18:03:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6741065670 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:03:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E81EA8FC0A for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:03:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eekd17 with SMTP id d17so780076eek.13 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:03:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=j1S8RDLsEuIe5/q1yJl4rZB1rOod4T/s1MnzQYD0eT4=; b=FFrxIGs4N9EIfr8BOX8PZm4ZUtWp5EkUSTMA+lPa15na84YLoztmjtwF9V35d+fB+D nfQ7U+wUpKo1UH09V0AOqOxz0wOMMOtk1RhvRDt18z5ob5L84x/RY7rW927YpGrc8dZR sRGOErRkWUmCDc7lLDxBzHcVkJaZbOsY0N91gaCrH+chmcuHBSrGml3W7sZyWpw9zXqV vT91ZV/cfvmQFYgYuqg0z5xAWna9EMtLNKh4+3/Vk+n2b6JVukpO+2z3wHut77IYsAOK V9J2Q1mWLWp/aDOEfH4Fi3RY0P72b1g+pq8AM1VDA0MuvgTddEVD2nw/TOyTJ7l/NDWr 8n9Q== Received: by 10.14.101.12 with SMTP id a12mr1980324eeg.55.1335463391791; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p57sm17947801eei.8.2012.04.26.11.03.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:03:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:03:04 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120426190304.0ec3330f@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <2FCC4ECF-DAC2-4701-B392-B0415528A4C7@mac.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: FreeBSD vice OS X memory management X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:03:13 -0000 On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:32:39 +0000 (UTC) jb wrote: > Adam Vande More gmail.com> writes: >=20 > > ...=20 > > http://workstuff.tumblr.com/post/19036310553/two-things-that-really-hel= ped- > > speed-up-my-mac-and > > http://dywypi.org/2012/02/back-on-linux.html > >=20 >=20 > "2) Inactive memory (which is memory that has been recently used but > is no longer) is supposed to be seamlessly reclaimed automatically by > the OS when needed for new programs. In practice, I=E2=80=99ve found that > this isn=E2=80=99t the case, and my system slows to a crawl and starts pa= ging > out to disk when free memory drops to zero, even as half of the > available RAM (which is a lot) is marked as inactive. ..." That's not a good description of inactive memory, most of which contains useful data. The situation described is undesirable, but not abnormal. It can happen when your physical memory is spread thinly, but most of it isn't being frequently accessed. In that case the inactive queue can be dominated by dirty swap-backed pages.=20 > The above and the past FreeBSD thread here, both I referred to, have > something in common - the system seems to progressively come under > stress due to what one user experienced as "missing memory", The FreeBSD link involved ZFS which manages its own disk caching and is relatively new. My guess is that if there is a problem it's ZFS specific. If it were a more general problem I think we'd see a lot more complaints, whereas ZFS already has a reputation for needing lots of memory. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 26 19:41:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3325106566C for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:41:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 897458FC15 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:41:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SNUZE-0004vV-VQ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:41:29 +0200 Received: from np-19-75.prenet.pl ([np-19-75.prenet.pl]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:41:28 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by np-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:41:28 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:41:16 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <2FCC4ECF-DAC2-4701-B392-B0415528A4C7@mac.com> <20120426190304.0ec3330f@gumby.homeunix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/10.0.2) Subject: Re: FreeBSD vice OS X memory management X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:41:35 -0000 RW googlemail.com> writes: > ... > > ... > > "2) Inactive memory (which is memory that has been recently used but > > is no longer) is supposed to be seamlessly reclaimed automatically by > > the OS when needed for new programs. In practice, I’ve found that > > this isn’t the case, and my system slows to a crawl and starts paging > > out to disk when free memory drops to zero, even as half of the > > available RAM (which is a lot) is marked as inactive. ..." > > That's not a good description of inactive memory, most of which > contains useful data. The situation described is undesirable, but not > abnormal. It can happen when your physical memory is spread thinly, but > most of it isn't being frequently accessed. In that case the inactive > queue can be dominated by dirty swap-backed pages. > ... Would implementing the VM pageout algorithm in such a way that it would mix in equal proportion the current least-actively used algo and the old least-recently used algo help the situation ? jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 26 21:45:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8E1106566B for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:45:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1EE48FC17 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:45:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by weyt57 with SMTP id t57so61017wey.13 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:45:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=ImDTmCmb269QGt8EsmYAnpBbolkgf8daHtLuomKC7Is=; b=b1xu3ssOoYyb60sxvhxREdapFGO2agxKM7LdeUfKv0Qchp09Jz8shL3vbvM/cYBlLG 9XRc14W3GrZuKXkmblTo0kIgmZwig3/D2vpmtyfFZGW1MI/LBH6JmZ1p+1nGxBmaZEKe HIcoupt0xxYEI15xCuOpjej9bOPnT8BC6OoXC/z9vx5x0n98HDJjzNymXRDYfcmDo+2k D5SGlKk6o8sR6yKopzW7Zf2uyd3jomPLWn9x1D4Fu8c2PP3U6vVzQq4PgnQxZBFpQ6f+ m5/6ljQDA2DEJBDgBWdyvsx8aLd+UxY1knCJbV0H5ffigmPzYuJfPuXiq3NaezRxy2pB 8Fug== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.87.106 with SMTP id w10mr20571986wiz.2.1335476753841; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.180.67 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:45:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [76.104.147.221] In-Reply-To: <20120425085555.36f91b3a.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <201204241833.q3OIXwTR013401@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120424190227.GA1773@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425053133.e920b091.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120425064507.GA4673@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425085555.36f91b3a.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:45:53 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlYWI2IzMRqGA8YWfqlveKgtLOc9iMxCY1aRPneS6QxtRCsTgWmTX0am4eMm35inIWqvXOG Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:45:55 -0000 On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Polytropon wrote: > Thanks for that article, it's really sad. One of the main > problems is (in my opinion) that GENERIC SKILLS aren't > recognozed with the big importane they have. This applies to hiring as well as education. When they read a job application, HR people seem to basically do keyword matching. They don't know or care about generic skills. If the posting says 'Microsoft Word experience' the words 'Microsoft Word' better appear somewhere in the resume. Likewise, if they want experience with a particular programming language, you'd better have experience with THAT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE...never mind if you already know five and can pick up another in a week's time. Generic skills aren't recognized because they're hard to judge and test for. People want quantifiable, objective things to weed out applicants. This is also why credit scoring has become so popular -- sure, someone's credit score may not tell whether they'd be a good employee or not, but it's a convenient, objective way to throw out a bunch of resumes. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 26 21:52:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36FF0106564A for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:52:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E7A388FC0A for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:52:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 8061 invoked by uid 0); 26 Apr 2012 21:52:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2012 21:52:57 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=hBWD4NZjyx7IJWxVpa5IGhqztZH0h1ReY8FvJO9uGhE=; b=U7To4t8U+TWUWyy+C46+LzW51BrqoErfD+edMYo1Jq6YcOD32c5UcUb2Xx4RIyQ0SNmqYtcc6sSeGTIsghERkcHlq3I/J4bgm8q4gMLPKjvyeTgrfhV6SCzPBnm4GLft; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SNWcT-0003bs-8d for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:52:57 -0600 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:52:56 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120426215256.GA30059@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <201204241833.q3OIXwTR013401@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120424190227.GA1773@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425053133.e920b091.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120425064507.GA4673@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425085555.36f91b3a.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:52:58 -0000 On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 02:45:53PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: > > Generic skills aren't recognized because they're hard to judge and > test for. People want quantifiable, objective things to weed out > applicants. This is also why credit scoring has become so popular -- > sure, someone's credit score may not tell whether they'd be a good > employee or not, but it's a convenient, objective way to throw out a > bunch of resumes. Indeed -- and the employer who bucks this trend does him/her self a huge service, because large numbers of very skilled and/or talented people are being rejected on entirely arbitrary criteria that have little or no correlation to their ability to do the job. People who use such critera are forcing themselves to compete with everyone else in the industry using the same criteria, leaving a glut of job candidates who would be great at the job waiting for someone else to give them a chance. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 26 22:15:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11600106564A for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:15:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB748FC08 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:15:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SNWxt-0003IN-4T for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 00:15:05 +0200 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 00:15:05 +0200 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 00:15:05 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:14:53 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <20120426104323.000031e3@unknown> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.135 (Tomorrow I'll Wake Up and Scald Myself with Tea; GIT 30dc37b master) Subject: Re: Python module wnck? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:15:07 -0000 On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:29:44 -0600, Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, Walter Hurry wrote: > >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:43:23 -0400, Rod Person wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:37:44 +0000 (UTC) >>> Walter Hurry wrote: >>> >>>> I'm trying to get screenlets up and running on 9.0, but I'm getting >>>> the following Python error: >>>> >>>> ImportError: No module named wnck >>>> >>>> I believe that this should be supplied by a a package or port named >>>> something like py27-wnck, but am unable to trace any such. >>>> >>>> Can anyone point me in the right direction please? >>> >>> >>> It's been a year or two since I tried to get screenlets running, but >>> as I recall you need to get python wnck module yourself. libwnck is in >>> the ports which is needed for the python module. >> >> Thanks. libwnck is already installed, so I downloaded gnome-python- >> desktop-2.32.0.tar.bz2 from ftp.gnome.org, which apparently contains >> the Python wnck module. >> >> I was intending to make the whole thing, but then install only the bit >> I need. Unfortunately when it came to compile wnck, the following error >> was displayed: >> >> libtool: link: `/usr/local/lib/libxcb-aux.la' is not a valid libtool >> archive >> >> Indeed it isn't. There is no such file, even though libxcb is >> installed. > > http://forums.freebsd.org/showpost.php?p=163415&postcount=17 Thanks for that link! And thanks to Rod and Poly too. I now have screenlets up and running perfectly. I have kept notes in case any other soul needs assistance. What a suerb list!. As I gain experience with FreeBSD I hope I shall be able to contribute something in return. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 26 22:41:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E25AA1065677 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:41:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rodperson@rodperson.com) Received: from www6.pairlite.com (www6.pairlite.com [64.130.10.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAED48FC08 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:41:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from atomizer64 (c-67-186-61-206.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [67.186.61.206]) by www6.pairlite.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 11F22B829; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:41:35 -0400 From: Rod Person To: Walter Hurry Message-ID: <20120426184135.51e54718@atomizer64> In-Reply-To: References: <20120426104323.000031e3@unknown> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Python module wnck? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:41:38 -0000 On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:14:53 +0000 (UTC) Walter Hurry wrote: > > Thanks for that link! And thanks to Rod and Poly too. > I now have screenlets up and running perfectly. I have kept notes in > case any other soul needs assistance. > > What a suerb list!. As I gain experience with FreeBSD I hope I shall > be able to contribute something in return. How many of the screenlets actually work? When I was working on this I found that a number of them where too linux specific to work. I have a screenshot of the sticky note and weather working but that's about all I can recall working. -- Rod Person http://www.rodperson.com rodperson@rodperson.com "Let us in the name of the Holy Trinity, go on sending all the slaves that can be sold." - Letter from Christopher Columbus. J.A. Rawley, The Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade: A History. 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People want quantifiable, objective things to weed out >> applicants. This is also why credit scoring has become so popular -- >> sure, someone's credit score may not tell whether they'd be a good >> employee or not, but it's a convenient, objective way to throw out a >> bunch of resumes. > >Indeed -- and the employer who bucks this trend does him/her self a >huge service, because large numbers of very skilled and/or talented >people are being rejected on entirely arbitrary criteria that have >little or no correlation to their ability to do the job. People who >use such critera are forcing themselves to compete with everyone else >in the industry using the same criteria, leaving a glut of job >candidates who would be great at the job waiting for someone else to >give them a chance. Wouldn't it be far easier for this "glut of job applicants" to either become proficient in the skills stated in the job description for which they are applying or do what everyone else does; i.e. lie on their résumé. If the mountain will not come to Mahomet, Mahomet must go to the mountain. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 26 23:14:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3BE5106566C for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:14:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from forrie@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-f182.google.com (mail-qc0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5FDD8FC0C for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:14:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qcsg15 with SMTP id g15so98665qcs.13 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:14:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type; bh=6Cza0U1Gd9uRbjX6Et0vmxs6Nb7n0z/3Lq4NTmFYXk0=; b=gIOPavXoWLLDo85sgUFNc5xYCQKGSKbZqOkNAKV0CvKRjBQil439yBYrDlWZnRJWGa F0uBUh1JYGTgvQaSmH2DAkhUTzVFQKyRN2j9AMxjspBTaCbHUPXMAY5DlHWPPW+Z1nH3 4rwzxUwUutPdwOso/ElJjv6c9C+NtrzcpwP2rgVQa/i1iMoPOOmVX4dmIv3e9u+1sFHF cANkEajxIVZ5lDF+PTiRThZy0vo0u8s3bh+auiRfsHR7eQwngtb25fxjidtYqjjQXIo1 AA4Tye0QWkLLOVUXM9Qanz/dmOgrENxHvl8jl4mARI9mdrE88Ame52Ot1kxvmVzqZXe2 x6+A== Received: by 10.224.100.71 with SMTP id x7mr6972565qan.92.1335482083223; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gump.de-prod.harvard.edu (1story-vpn-gw.dce.harvard.edu. [140.247.198.51]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bm15sm7519440qab.17.2012.04.26.16.14.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4F99D6AC.8050403@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:13:48 -0400 From: Forrest Aldrich User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120420 Thunderbird/12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Installing VMware Tools on FreeBSD 9, amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:14:50 -0000 I've installed the compat6x libraries and made a symlink to /lib for libc.so.6 as per some docs I found; however, the vmware tools installation is still failing with: Unable to copy the source file /usr/local/lib/vmware-tools/modules/binary/FreeBSD8.0-amd64/vmxnet.ko to the destination file /boot/modules/vmxnet.ko. The reason being is that /usr/local/lib/vmware-tools/modules/binary/ only contains: FreeBSD6.0-amd64 FreeBSD6.0-i386 FreeBSD7.0-amd64 FreeBSD7.0-i386 Is this a bug in the vmware install script or have I missed something--or can I use a different option? Thing is, I'm on 9.0 RELEASE. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 26 23:28:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA611065670; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:28:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.208]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A7D08FC08; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:28:49 +0000 (UTC) From: vermaden To: freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1335481713; bh=+QP7Db2ePeUjlSOaVGiicFSmQi1Ac/lkOLsN7U9JcsQ=; h=From:Subject:To:Cc:X-Mailer:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LhcMs5Xgqg5cq7dYsItyHDskE0ICg+fsp/JccepM+XQ4HnQE95ckzrmW6ROZvM63q cOWYk6eC/32ML1kB7ote6mtbekXuWvqqFRgwf2UHMuOOUQrXmesUuO5INAyC28+3Kn ZetKNnOsnVtUFyT1fVpfNXvMAtXGWZBzGbyBTWhM= Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 01:08:33 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: HOWTO: FreeBSD ZFS Madness (Boot Environments) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:28:49 -0000 Hi, I have just created new HOWTO [1] on how to use Boot Environments on FreeBSD with new created utility *beadm* that I put on SourceForge [2]. Feel free to send Your ideas/critique about it. [1] http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=3D31662 [2] https://sourceforge.net/projects/beadm/ Regards, vermaden ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 00:27:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21255106566B for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 00:27:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF4F8FC12 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 00:27:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SNZ1x-0001Q8-Bj for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 02:27:25 +0200 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 02:27:25 +0200 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 02:27:25 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 00:27:08 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <20120426104323.000031e3@unknown> <20120426184135.51e54718@atomizer64> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.135 (Tomorrow I'll Wake Up and Scald Myself with Tea; GIT 30dc37b master) Subject: Re: Python module wnck? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 00:27:35 -0000 On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:41:35 -0400, Rod Person wrote: > On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:14:53 +0000 (UTC) > Walter Hurry wrote: >> >> Thanks for that link! And thanks to Rod and Poly too. >> I now have screenlets up and running perfectly. I have kept notes in >> case any other soul needs assistance. >> >> What a suerb list!. As I gain experience with FreeBSD I hope I shall be >> able to contribute something in return. > > How many of the screenlets actually work? When I was working on this I > found that a number of them where too linux specific to work. I have a > screenshot of the sticky note and weather working but that's about all I > can recall working. I only wanted three: Clock, ClearCalendar and ClearWeather. They work perfectly. I haven't tried any of the others. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 01:51:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161BD1065670 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 01:51:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E728FC12 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 01:51:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3R1pnd9026405; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:51:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q3R1pno4026402; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:51:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:51:49 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Walter Hurry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20120426104323.000031e3@unknown> <20120426184135.51e54718@atomizer64> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:51:49 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Python module wnck? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 01:51:50 -0000 On Fri, 27 Apr 2012, Walter Hurry wrote: > On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:41:35 -0400, Rod Person wrote: > >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:14:53 +0000 (UTC) >> Walter Hurry wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for that link! And thanks to Rod and Poly too. >>> I now have screenlets up and running perfectly. I have kept notes in >>> case any other soul needs assistance. >>> >>> What a suerb list!. As I gain experience with FreeBSD I hope I shall be >>> able to contribute something in return. >> >> How many of the screenlets actually work? When I was working on this I >> found that a number of them where too linux specific to work. I have a >> screenshot of the sticky note and weather working but that's about all I >> can recall working. > > I only wanted three: Clock, ClearCalendar and ClearWeather. They work > perfectly. I haven't tried any of the others. Consider making a port. Clearly there is some demand. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 03:54:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02CC106566C for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 03:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746D08FC18 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 03:54:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SNcGX-0004Wf-6Z for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:54:41 +0200 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:54:41 +0200 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:54:41 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 03:54:29 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <20120426104323.000031e3@unknown> <20120426184135.51e54718@atomizer64> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.135 (Tomorrow I'll Wake Up and Scald Myself with Tea; GIT 30dc37b master) Subject: Re: Python module wnck? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 03:54:45 -0000 On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:51:49 -0600, Warren Block wrote: > On Fri, 27 Apr 2012, Walter Hurry wrote: > >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:41:35 -0400, Rod Person wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:14:53 +0000 (UTC) >>> Walter Hurry wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks for that link! And thanks to Rod and Poly too. >>>> I now have screenlets up and running perfectly. I have kept notes in >>>> case any other soul needs assistance. >>>> >>>> What a suerb list!. As I gain experience with FreeBSD I hope I shall >>>> be able to contribute something in return. >>> >>> How many of the screenlets actually work? When I was working on this I >>> found that a number of them where too linux specific to work. I have a >>> screenshot of the sticky note and weather working but that's about all >>> I can recall working. >> >> I only wanted three: Clock, ClearCalendar and ClearWeather. They work >> perfectly. I haven't tried any of the others. > > Consider making a port. Clearly there is some demand. > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/ For the Python wnck module, or for screenlets? I'm afraid that technically I am well short of the ability to do either. I am more than willing to help anyone who elects to so, though. Incidentally (and this is addressed to Rod mainly), the ClearWeather module was broken. I had to hack it a bit to get it to work properly. It got confused over proxies, but since I am not unfamiliar with Python, that presented no difficulty. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 05:27:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 977BD106564A for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:27:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D5D8FC15 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-124-250.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.124.250]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B773B1E249 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:27:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q3R5Rgsb001976 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:27:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:27:41 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20120427072741.190e2408.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <201204241833.q3OIXwTR013401@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120424190227.GA1773@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425053133.e920b091.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120425064507.GA4673@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425085555.36f91b3a.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:27:44 -0000 On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:45:53 -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > Thanks for that article, it's really sad. One of the main > > problems is (in my opinion) that GENERIC SKILLS aren't > > recognozed with the big importane they have. >=20 > This applies to hiring as well as education. When they read a job > application, HR people seem to basically do keyword matching. They > don't know or care about generic skills.=20 That's a shortsightet view, especially when you consider the typical lifecyle of software. Being "educated" on one specific version that doesn't share many similarities with competitor's products or own follow-up versions, you're lost. Generic skills (such as "generic Linux and UNIX skills") enable you to become familiar with _any_ Unix-like operating system very quickly, and in a world software changing dayly this is an important skill. Additionally, generic skills enable you to learn _anything_ quickly, such as a new scripting language, or a DTP application. They all share generic concepts (like some kind of syntax for a programming language, or some kind of UI design for a GUI based program). And you're right: HR people don't do more than keyword matching. That's the only thing they have time for. > If the posting says > 'Microsoft Word experience' the words 'Microsoft Word' better appear > somewhere in the resume.=20 It's even worse. There are some "standardized skill profiles" (which aren't standardized) that one is expected to include. I currently have an example here. It contains >100 times the word "Microsoft", but lacks essential stuff that one would assume when applying for a job as a virtualisation / system administrator. Some non-MICROS~1 stuff is mentioned in footnotes, most of it even improperly spelled or not attributed to the proper company. For example, if you're familiar with StarOffice, OpenOffice and LibreOffice (which you can acquire knowledge in _for free_), you should be able to conclude how the MICROS~1 products work, any version of them (even though they are very different and incon- sistent, and you _cannot_ learn them for free). So this would match the skill "office applications", but maybe because the word "Microsoft" doesn't appear several times, this skill is rejected. This also works with commercial UNIXes that are hard to try for free. But with your generic skills, you can find out how things work, because the basics are the same everywhere. You can even install "Hercules" on your FreeBSD machine and find out how an IBM /360 mainframe is operated - teaching you basic skills how to deal with z/OS, CMS, TSO, REXX, ISPF and other (primarily commercial) applications you might encounter). > Likewise, if they want experience with a > particular programming language, you'd better have experience with > THAT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE...never mind if you already know five and can > pick up another in a week's time. That is correct. But being able to do so depends on the employer to _publish_ his expectations in an understandable format. In a setting where job applications are typically filtered by an external HR company which _also_ makes the job announcement, you'll hardly find them. Instead, there's lots of blahblah like "we're an established company", "a prominent market leader" or "young and dynamic expanding service provider" - and then "programmer" or "system administrator". You often don't find any hint who the _real_ employer would be. And in the end, it turns out that they are searching for a phone monkey in 1st level customer support. :-) > Generic skills aren't recognized because they're hard to judge and > test for.=20 Hard to judge - no, but only by "try and watch" which often is not possible or not intended. Hard to test for - true, as proper test would have to be developed first, and I assume that's rather expensive. There are generic tests like FizzBuzz, but it doesn't say _that_ much, and it's not enough to use _only_ this test. However, it's a nice "fall-through" test if you want to hire a programmer and he doesn't get it done by any programming language _he_ may choose. :-) Generic skills are _the_ skills you need to learn something new. Stupidly repeating things doesn't work. Being tied to "the one" way of doing things doesn't fit a quickly changing world. You can't "rely on" vendor lock-in everywhere. > People want quantifiable, objective things to weed out > applicants.=20 They often _assume_ that this is provided by colorful paper, typically hanging on a wall in your back, the "wall of fame". There are many certificates that state you actually know something, but there are more than enough that just cost money, and you get them, no matter what you know ("certificate spam", if I may say that) - those are _worthless_. I think "objective" is very hard to find here. Many considerations depend on assumptions and expectations. For example, you want a programmer. You don't state for what precisely (kind of project and programming language). In the end, it turns out to be some proprietary system where even _learning_ it costs lots of money because there is not much public stuff for autodidacts (and of course no way to try it for free). You expect a "kind of geek" (because that's the established stereotype for a good and skilled programmer), but you expect him to "obey corporate dresscode". You expect him to work in an environment he may not feel comfortable (e. g. proprietary environment, fixed working times, I mean, come on, that's so 1900-ish). He should be between 18 and 25 years old, and he should have successfully finished unversity with a high-level degree. He also should have business experiences of 5 or more years. He should also have worked in a company like yours in the past years, with no "big break" of unemployment. He should have learned (on his costs!) what you are expecting. You are willing to pay him the same money he would get when he would be unemployed, because "that's what everyone pays". And he won't work for your company. He will work for another comany so your company can get an invoice for his work by the company he works for instead - "material costs goooood, personnel costs baaaaaad" (you need that for tax magic later on). (Okay, that's a typical description of the job market in IT you currently find in Germany. US and other countries may be different and not that retarded.) Quantifying such skills is very hard. "Self-estimating" one's skills is the thing applicants typically do in their applications. Is this objective? No, it's mostly highly subjective depending on individual experiences and findings. To turn that into _comparable_ numbers would require scientists (psychologists, mathematicians, sociologists, IT researchers) to construct tests that exactly map that. I know there are several standardized tests, but some of them are relatively old. In our IT world, "old" starts at 12 months (or maybe even earlier). And getting generic skills into those scales looks nearly impossible to me... On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:52:56 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > Indeed -- and the employer who bucks this trend does him/her self a huge > service, because large numbers of very skilled and/or talented people are > being rejected on entirely arbitrary criteria that have little or no > correlation to their ability to do the job.=20 A main problem here as that many (maybe most?) of the _really_ skilled applicants don't waste their time on certificates. They have many qualities and abilities, several man's lives worth of knowledge, and long experience. But they don't have certificates that _say so_. Especially those not being directly employed may find it problematic to get any piece of paper stating _what_ they did for their customers. I do not deny that employing a new guy in the company would be cheap. It's not. It requires time and money. Reading applications, judging qualifications, doing interviews and so on. That's why companies tend to externalize this task to HR services. The result however is highly debatable, and the "money argument" is weak. Companies spend _lots_ of money for "certified processes", for extraordinary expensive licensing, for hardware, for software, for energy. This money "is available" and is spent regardless of existing alternatives. So _if_ they would become more efficient on those expenses, they could _invest_ in a thing that's much more valuable than software licenses or service contracts: I'm obviously talking about skilled and motivated personnel, because let's face it: "money works" doesn't work. Money does not work. People do work. And if you don't treat them well, they'll leave the company sooner or later. You can externalize a lot, but not everything. Companies should judge how important their "human capital" is to them, because _that_ is what's primarily driving the markets (okay, at least the consumer markets and the sectors where R&D and inventions are made). On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:43:06 -0400, Jerry wrote: > Wouldn't it be far easier for this "glut of job applicants" to either > become proficient in the skills stated in the job description for which > they are applying or do what everyone else does; i.e. lie on their > r=E9sum=E9. If the mountain will not come to Mahomet, Mahomet must go to > the mountain. Here the circle closes. I think many applicants actually do what Jerry suggested: Lie in their "skill profile" or resume. The result? Quite simple: People _not_ being qualified for a job occupying this precious workspace where someone with the proper skills could have find a job. You often find this in office-related jobs: People who are evidently unable to do the simplest PC stuff - but those are employed! Even more, they cost the employer lots of money (by wasting time and not getting the work done), but nobody fires them. And because the positions _are_ occupied, applicants are rejected not because they're "not qualified enough", but because the job already "is in use". You often wonder _how_ certain people got the jobs they have... Honestly, I've got a lot to learn about how business works. :-) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 09:06:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859C010657F9; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:06:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.208]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4AE8FC15; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:06:36 +0000 (UTC) From: vermaden To: Alexander Leidinger X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1335517594; bh=rU2KbEtKk80OFlXGvv3raUz+xGBa3w926WBeNbkAYPE=; h=From:Subject:To:Cc:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=M+qN7Xr4pyx3mbXUbuMtkoJRCju6S9BH5zayXoZ9sbpKDHIuG/fRzGg2GGRXmk5A5 WtMzA8LAKU4/RyBG68hN4vy0FUdMYlCxmMNYHrxSwJvQ7XeGeC+0oVtQXxg1Dh7274 7hdVvcXQPIt8W/G+QXgoMgyJiAQZCsjyBFBePxP0= Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:06:35 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, bryan@shatow.net Subject: Re: HOWTO: FreeBSD ZFS Madness (Boot Environments) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:06:36 -0000 > Hi, >=20 > do you know manageBE? Google for it, it is the first > hit. This works for me like a charm since about a year. >=20 > Bye, > Alexander. Hi, yes I know and used manageBE for a while, I even mentioned it in the HOWTO (quote below) but thought that making *beadm* that is compatible with Illumos/Solaris version would be nice idea, *beadm* is also more comfortable to use, at least for me. Mine *beadm* has also a feature to activate BE's from other machines. =20 > Illumos/Solaris has the beadm(1M) [4] utility and while > Philipp Wuensche wrote the manageBE script as > replacement [5], it uses older style used at times when > OpenSolaris (and SUN) were still having a great time. > I last couple of days writing an up-to-date replacement for > FreeBSD compatible beadm utility, and with some tweaks > from today I just made it available at SourceForge [6] if You > wish to test it. Currently its about 200 lines long, so it should > be pretty simple to take a look at it. I tried to make it as > compatible as possible with the 'upstream' version, along > with some small improvements, it currently supports basic > functions like list, create, destroy and activate. (...) > There are several subtle differences between mine > implementation and Philipp's one, he defines and then relies > upon ZFS property called freebsd:boot-environment=3D1 for > each boot environment, I do not set any other additional > ZFS properties. There is already org.freebsd:swap property > used for SWAP on FreeBSD, so we may use org.freebsd:be in > the future, but is just a thought, right now its not used. My > version also supports activating boot environments received > with zfs recv command from other systems (it just updates > appreciate /boot/zfs/zpool.cache file). Regards, vermaden ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 11:08:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A9AE106564A for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:08:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rodperson@rodperson.com) Received: from www6.pairlite.com (www6.pairlite.com [64.130.10.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D5A8FC08 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:08:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from unknown (unknown-ip-614.ccbh.upmc.edu [128.147.110.113]) by www6.pairlite.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BE0C8B829; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:07:59 -0400 From: Rod Person To: Walter Hurry Message-ID: <20120427070759.000019f7@unknown> In-Reply-To: References: <20120426104323.000031e3@unknown> <20120426184135.51e54718@atomizer64> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10cvs7 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Python module wnck? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:08:01 -0000 On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 03:54:29 +0000 (UTC) Walter Hurry wrote: > >>> > >>> How many of the screenlets actually work? When I was working on > >>> this I found that a number of them where too linux specific to > >>> work. I have a screenshot of the sticky note and weather working > >>> but that's about all I can recall working. > >> > >> I only wanted three: Clock, ClearCalendar and ClearWeather. They > >> work perfectly. I haven't tried any of the others. > > > > Consider making a port. Clearly there is some demand. > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/ > > For the Python wnck module, or for screenlets? I'm afraid that > technically I am well short of the ability to do either. I am more > than willing to help anyone who elects to so, though. > > Incidentally (and this is addressed to Rod mainly), the ClearWeather > module was broken. I had to hack it a bit to get it to work properly. > It got confused over proxies, but since I am not unfamiliar with > Python, that presented no difficulty. > Creating a port itself is rather simple...it the porting of the code from Linux to FreeBSD that is the hard part. I have one official port that I made as a way to brush off my C skills, it works but it was hell getting some of the Linux specific translated but thanks to one of the committers it got cleaned up... But anyway, the issues with screenlets is getting any of the screenlets that interface with the system to work such as Mount, MyIP, Netmonitor or the CPU Meter, when I tried this with FreeBSD 7.2 none of them worked because of all the Linux device names. If you know python this should not be too hard just time consuming. The only reason I stopped working on this was I moved from using OpenBox to using the i3 window manager. I can check around and see if I still have any thing I worked on laying around but I'm not sure about that...I changed hard disks since then. I do love python so I would not be adversed to working on some of the individual screenlet modules. -- Rod Person http://www.rodperson.com rodperson@rodperson.com 'Silence is a fence around wisdom' From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 11:51:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF6A106564A for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:51:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from e.schuele@computer.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa01-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa01-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [72.167.82.83]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ED25C8FC0A for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:51:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 22400 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2012 11:44:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (71.170.154.125) by p3plsmtpa01-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (72.167.82.83) with ESMTP; 27 Apr 2012 11:44:51 -0000 Message-ID: <4F9A86B2.4070806@computer.org> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:44:50 -0500 From: Eric Schuele User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.3) Gecko/20120315 Thunderbird/10.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 OpenPGP: url=http://www.ravenlock.us/keys/pub_schuele.pgp Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigA43CF6F20D65479B1AD08830" Subject: fusefs-ntfs panic after update to 9.0-RELEASE.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:51:32 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigA43CF6F20D65479B1AD08830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, I've been using fusefs-ntfs for quite a while with no issues for my ntfs needs in 8.x I recently updated to 9.0-RELEASE, and now my machine panics upon writing to an ntfs mount. I did rebuild all fusefs-ntfs ports after the upgrade. 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More specifically, I would like to keep/maintain an exact copy of a given jail. As an example: Suppose I build a jail A on some system (in my particular case build with ezjail) , and I copy the jail into jail B on some other system (using tar, as is mentioned here: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=17813). Now stuff happens in Jail A, e.g. files change, new stuff is installed etc. I would like to propagate these changes to jail B, but since the transfer is over WAN I would like not to have to copy the entire jail again, just the stuff that has changed since the last backup. It is safe to assume nothing in Jail B changes: I basically want to maintain the exact copy so if something would happen to the system running Jail A I can immediately switch to jail B without much hassle. Normally I would say this a perfect use case for rsync. But as the aforementioned thread mentions ``scp or similar wont work to copy a jail'', and I consider rsync similar to scp, I am under the impression that rsync would not be usable in this situation. Can anyone shed some light on this, or suggest an alternative to synchronise the jails? Regards, -- - Frank From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 16:14:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F4024106564A for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:14:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from smtp-int-m.obspm.fr (smtp-int-m.obspm.fr [145.238.187.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A1238FC08 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:14:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pcjas.obspm.fr (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by smtp-int-m.obspm.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/SIO Observatoire de Paris - 07/2009) with ESMTP id q3RGDGaA029474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:13:17 +0200 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:13:16 +0200 From: Albert Shih To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120427161316.GA60361@pcjas.obspm.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Miltered: at smtp-int-m.obspm.fr with ID 4F9AC59C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 4F9AC59C.000/145.238.184.233/pcjas.obspm.fr/pcjas.obspm.fr/ Subject: Performance and mouse problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:14:25 -0000 Hi all I've got two very strange problem I'm running 9-stable on a Dell Laptop E4200. Since this morning when I put a USB mouse (I've try three mouses to be sure) it's not working. The kernel and HAL see the mouse but Xorg don't seem do anything. The second point is the load of the system is alway more than 1 (~1.5-2) event I do nothing. I kill all services, daemon, software and the load never drop. I've stop : hald dbus powerd etc... and ps don't show any process eating some ressource. But the load is high (and the laptop is very hot). I make a csup of world and build new userland, and news kernel. And nothing change.... HELP...please. Regards. -- Albert SHIH DIO btiment 15 Observatoire de Paris 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Tlphone : 01 45 07 76 26/06 86 69 95 71 xmpp: jas@obspm.fr Heure local/Local time: ven 27 avr 2012 18:08:24 CEST From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 16:32:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4CD106564A for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:32:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5A42F8FC08 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:32:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 18583 invoked by uid 0); 27 Apr 2012 16:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2012 16:32:30 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=7Z+tJn1aWucZYVS2pev8UcLG2P362yirRgQ98qaJCzY=; b=TXDeNUFa3cSBPLYQOnMW5/DtT33gXU94gWNZrsdgoFh4d4y9DhE3tbkdU2jUbxRe9f1yvKD27ZcGmtuWiuddXy6f7jCLmzJinPBy3m9s0JMVKZZPTwO7AcPWPy9G0Eo1; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SNo5u-0000YE-6o for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:32:30 -0600 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:32:24 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120427163224.GA29149@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <201204241833.q3OIXwTR013401@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120424190227.GA1773@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425053133.e920b091.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120425064507.GA4673@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425085555.36f91b3a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120426215256.GA30059@hemlock.hydra> <20120426184306.783f9b4b@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20120426184306.783f9b4b@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:32:31 -0000 On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 06:43:06PM -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:52:56 -0600 > Chad Perrin articulated: > > >On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 02:45:53PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: > >> > >> Generic skills aren't recognized because they're hard to judge and > >> test for. People want quantifiable, objective things to weed out > >> applicants. This is also why credit scoring has become so popular -- > >> sure, someone's credit score may not tell whether they'd be a good > >> employee or not, but it's a convenient, objective way to throw out a > >> bunch of resumes. > > > >Indeed -- and the employer who bucks this trend does him/her self a > >huge service, because large numbers of very skilled and/or talented > >people are being rejected on entirely arbitrary criteria that have > >little or no correlation to their ability to do the job. People who > >use such critera are forcing themselves to compete with everyone else > >in the industry using the same criteria, leaving a glut of job > >candidates who would be great at the job waiting for someone else to > >give them a chance. > > Wouldn't it be far easier for this "glut of job applicants" to either > become proficient in the skills stated in the job description for which > they are applying or do what everyone else does; i.e. lie on their > rsum. If the mountain will not come to Mahomet, Mahomet must go to > the mountain. 1. Pretty much every employer has a slightly different list of keywords. I guess you think all these job candidates should learn every skill in the world. 2. Lying is bad. Go fall in a hole, now. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 17:14:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C8D4106566B for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:14:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f172.google.com (mail-wi0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4DD8FC0C for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhj6 with SMTP id hj6so660033wib.13 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:14:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=8HlHBH1g2USbjSnA+1wpIez5C2jdgdNus6Ml6G+1zak=; b=hvzEFEg0FLYzAfTqcXHmGL+gpJphCpJIjv1iFJ60n2n5oaTZJ7nm107D8nkS+zJOfY HedU21gwaXcMELHJ1Hza/V8ucWuju7E+QoH/65Bf/CmxEvGmtaTkpjxKyBenxKeygzQP l392oXjir0FKAMdisEeFD1C0CQMKRREPEUgScPJPxk7IQW6i9anSvs3vawijyLCZCPNf cAW0zbI8YP/RWONA33IhiefamNRM0RozLVtUYlxSvUh0USLHcp3t0muJfcgBUNPSZcz/ Gevopu9Sa4iybst+3ZJ4rajrxeMdo/yt1UV+zrMMp1ODQGJtd5p63vQ4qUWi6RTzQFkh ie2w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.24.66 with SMTP id s2mr7893125wif.7.1335546844811; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:14:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.96.140 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:14:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120427161316.GA60361@pcjas.obspm.fr> References: <20120427161316.GA60361@pcjas.obspm.fr> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:14:04 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Albert Shih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Performance and mouse problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:14:07 -0000 On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Albert Shih wrote: > Hi all > > I've got two very strange problem > > I'm running 9-stable on a Dell Laptop E4200. > > Since this morning when I put a USB mouse (I've try three mouses to be > sure) it's not working. The kernel and HAL see the mouse but Xorg don't > seem do anything. > > The second point is the load of the system is alway more than 1 (~1.5-2) > event I do nothing. I kill all services, daemon, software and the load > never drop. > > I've stop : > > hald > dbus > powerd > etc... > > and ps don't show any process eating some ressource. But the load is high > (and the laptop is very hot). > > I make a csup of world and build new userland, and news kernel. And nothing > change.... > http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/aei.html -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 17:49:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C5A41065670 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:49:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B0BD8FC08 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:49:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q3RHnO8X020084; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:49:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id q3RHnORO020077; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:49:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:49:24 -0400 (EDT) From: doug To: Eric Schuele In-Reply-To: <4F9A86B2.4070806@computer.org> Message-ID: References: <4F9A86B2.4070806@computer.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fusefs-ntfs panic after update to 9.0-RELEASE.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: doug@safeport.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:49:37 -0000 On Fri, 27 Apr 2012, Eric Schuele wrote: > All, > > I've been using fusefs-ntfs for quite a while with no issues for my ntfs > needs in 8.x > > I recently updated to 9.0-RELEASE, and now my machine panics upon > writing to an ntfs mount. I did rebuild all fusefs-ntfs ports after the > upgrade. > > Anyone else experiencing this or similar? > Similar maybe, I moved from kde 3.5 ==> xfce 4.8. When upgrading my workstation to 9.0, I installed the following fusefs packages: fusefs-kmod-0.3.9.p1.20080208_8 fusefs-libs-2.7.4 fusefs-sshfs-2.2 Every so often various errors come up. Unfortunately I can not diagnose the various issues because xorg 7.5 removes the ability to switch to a vty. I get no kernel panics and no core dumps. My symptoms are various low level services cease. Last time I could not terminate any tasks. I had thought this one was related to geany as I had just opened a file. However I routinely have at least one sshfs mount going, sometimes 2. As I recall, my symptoms to date have been: no task can terminate, mouse stops working, and a total system lockup. These events were seemingly random. I will stop using sshfs for a bit and see what happens. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 17:57:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 666D6106564A for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:57:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7618FC08 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:57:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhgm50 with SMTP id m50so715069yhg.13 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:57:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:x-mailer:face:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4s76bHxXfDqD+QxEwCUJoeoX5JlIFKN1jnJjQ2DoXsM=; b=Jz/pwqWZwKoUUskna3SkWHwqqCAA3iVEXviO4HevfB69Pr0LLGT24NnqIBoGDOvORR cUCoVRrnhC5nbOfBtxs9gwIq3NzqAWaRGYq62+9XgLABiN/9cVBHJu+ee+dPaBzNK99j fBFaM5ny+xlAZ+nnR5XAYEGryGoAVizPZJ5nQ= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:x-mailer:face:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=4s76bHxXfDqD+QxEwCUJoeoX5JlIFKN1jnJjQ2DoXsM=; b=i0WaIfUcYTOpcXiZUjfEpgfp20AkNTzayBrilhJbOg+yunsfaZvkdbidwG85c8h3yx VqByBlkRLjF149z6YXRWI8JG5pdeSbhMRsbzDe8cjHNj24dvguTolDfviHXtj8AluZAa o91Byfylov8wPUngt9dL4h/sAJUa/F6HtEDvdV0UK/5+utXVexbYp0UEhaiUm74aBZdi Wc6Y+rAr3oRjnbZ3+4RIV7RWGhgeYKnBkJWD+SOezD6agMrpalfdSx8w2FjuS/MPooCv lEV9NswYwn/P1keh3qLQ6Q2HmpxNhGzWGhyQAAbY6NYpoFghNiMfxNcKP3Efpnh0h69e fHAA== Received: by 10.236.75.195 with SMTP id z43mr2774225yhd.4.1335549433243; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q1sm6123352ane.21.2012.04.27.10.57.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3VfNBt3dP2z2CG5r for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:57:10 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120427135710.2f66d2ac@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120427163224.GA29149@hemlock.hydra> References: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <201204241833.q3OIXwTR013401@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120424190227.GA1773@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425053133.e920b091.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120425064507.GA4673@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425085555.36f91b3a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120426215256.GA30059@hemlock.hydra> <20120426184306.783f9b4b@scorpio> <20120427163224.GA29149@hemlock.hydra> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnRHNq1t4ZnyssY6jghalG2VPMqMTbS+vPjj+SrO/wSyOUTm8MN6rA7WV7FHNicHoujlkiX Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:57:14 -0000 On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:32:24 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: >On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 06:43:06PM -0400, Jerry wrote: >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:52:56 -0600 >> Chad Perrin articulated: >> >> >On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 02:45:53PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: >> >> >> >> Generic skills aren't recognized because they're hard to judge and >> >> test for. People want quantifiable, objective things to weed out >> >> applicants. This is also why credit scoring has become so >> >> popular -- sure, someone's credit score may not tell whether >> >> they'd be a good employee or not, but it's a convenient, >> >> objective way to throw out a bunch of resumes. >> > >> >Indeed -- and the employer who bucks this trend does him/her self a >> >huge service, because large numbers of very skilled and/or talented >> >people are being rejected on entirely arbitrary criteria that have >> >little or no correlation to their ability to do the job. People who >> >use such critera are forcing themselves to compete with everyone >> >else in the industry using the same criteria, leaving a glut of job >> >candidates who would be great at the job waiting for someone else to >> >give them a chance. >> >> Wouldn't it be far easier for this "glut of job applicants" to either >> become proficient in the skills stated in the job description for >> which they are applying or do what everyone else does; i.e. lie on >> their résumé. If the mountain will not come to Mahomet, Mahomet must >> go to the mountain. > >1. Pretty much every employer has a slightly different list of >keywords. I guess you think all these job candidates should learn >every skill in the world. No, I think they should learn the one(s) most sought after in their chosen field. If 90% of the potential openings in a specific field are requesting proficiency with MS Word, what do you think any legitimate applicants should become proficient in? >2. Lying is bad. Go fall in a hole, now. Yes, but it is never-the-less the norm on way too many resumes. I have read where it is estimated that 1 out of every 3 is either a gross over statement of fact or just a complete fabrication. My own (original) resume, written by a professional resume writer many years ago, absolutely astounded me. I had no idea I was as proficient and skilled in so many areas. As the writer explained, it is not what you say but how you say it. Just because I once wrote a two page article that got published in a cheap magazine does not mean that I am an accomplished author with numerous credits to my name -- or does it? -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 18:03:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DCD510656D6 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:03:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 29D8A8FC1D for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:03:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 1235 invoked by uid 0); 27 Apr 2012 18:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2012 18:03:44 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=aG+S742eomQ79zEFa5oRiGENZsbzzqkUZpili+Gy01A=; b=AsTdp/1y16/c2SZbvHYu7bpT9uPLZF7Nd7WNuMAcWXro2S8ghF3uJLH8U7DC+4T4dz7J6+kNP/ZOIzRfbPJZOUKT4569c9XTDQbpTIl1qm5EZdQiCrJs2NQ42XYdVM2n; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SNpWB-0004z1-L6 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:03:43 -0600 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:03:43 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120427180343.GA8943@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <201204241833.q3OIXwTR013401@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120424190227.GA1773@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425053133.e920b091.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120425064507.GA4673@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425085555.36f91b3a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120426215256.GA30059@hemlock.hydra> <20120426184306.783f9b4b@scorpio> <20120427163224.GA29149@hemlock.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20120427163224.GA29149@hemlock.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:03:45 -0000 On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:32:24AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 06:43:06PM -0400, Jerry wrote: > > On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:52:56 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: > > >On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 02:45:53PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: > > >> > > >> Generic skills aren't recognized because they're hard to judge and > > >> test for. People want quantifiable, objective things to weed out > > >> applicants. This is also why credit scoring has become so popular -- > > >> sure, someone's credit score may not tell whether they'd be a good > > >> employee or not, but it's a convenient, objective way to throw out a > > >> bunch of resumes. > > > > > >Indeed -- and the employer who bucks this trend does him/her self a > > >huge service, because large numbers of very skilled and/or talented > > >people are being rejected on entirely arbitrary criteria that have > > >little or no correlation to their ability to do the job. People who > > >use such critera are forcing themselves to compete with everyone else > > >in the industry using the same criteria, leaving a glut of job > > >candidates who would be great at the job waiting for someone else to > > >give them a chance. > > > > Wouldn't it be far easier for this "glut of job applicants" to either > > become proficient in the skills stated in the job description for which > > they are applying or do what everyone else does; i.e. lie on their > > rsum. If the mountain will not come to Mahomet, Mahomet must go to > > the mountain. > > 1. Pretty much every employer has a slightly different list of keywords. > I guess you think all these job candidates should learn every skill in > the world. > > 2. Lying is bad. Go fall in a hole, now. I appear to have forgotten about point 3. 3. This was about employers going to the mountain, by the way, so your point is null and void in any case. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 18:11:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B685106564A for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:11:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from e.schuele@computer.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa06-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3252D8FC15 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 21138 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2012 18:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (199.254.197.8) by p3plsmtpa06-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.192.110) with ESMTP; 27 Apr 2012 18:04:50 -0000 Message-ID: <4F9ADFC1.608@computer.org> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:04:49 -0500 From: Eric Schuele User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.3) Gecko/20120315 Thunderbird/10.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 OpenPGP: url=http://www.ravenlock.us/keys/pub_schuele.pgp Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig533F5EC141983A114508439E" Subject: Re: Synchronising jails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:11:30 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig533F5EC141983A114508439E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 04/27/2012 09:35, Frank Staals wrote: >=20 > Hey Everyone, >=20 > I'm looking for a way to synchronise two jails. More specifically, I > would like to keep/maintain an exact copy of a given jail. As an > example: Suppose I build a jail A on some system (in my particular case= > build with ezjail) , and I copy the jail > into jail B on some other system (using tar, as is mentioned > here: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=3D17813). Now stuff > happens in Jail A, e.g. files change, new stuff is installed etc. I > would like to propagate these changes to jail B, but since the transfer= > is over WAN I would like not to have to copy the entire jail again, jus= t > the stuff that has changed since the last backup. It is safe to assume > nothing in Jail B changes: I basically want to maintain the exact copy > so if something would happen to the system running Jail A I can > immediately switch to jail B without much hassle.=20 >=20 > Normally I would say this a perfect use case for rsync. But as the > aforementioned thread mentions ``scp or similar wont work to copy a > jail'', and I consider rsync similar to scp, rsync is dissimilar in that it is capable of preserving links. It may likely do the job? > I am under the impression > that rsync would not be usable in this situation. Can anyone shed some > light on this, or suggest an alternative to synchronise the jails? =20 >=20 >=20 > Regards,=20 >=20 --------------enig533F5EC141983A114508439E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+a38EACgkQngSDRM3IXUpmNgCdEm9SMTX+xIaqRAKJi+3Hsg4a w44AniMkQvou52o/VNl7soxkJ9ZAgDI7 =Oblk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig533F5EC141983A114508439E-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 19:58:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427F11065677 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:58:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDE08FC12 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:58:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SNrIs-00015i-Rz for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:58:06 +0200 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:58:06 +0200 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:58:06 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:57:54 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <20120426104323.000031e3@unknown> <20120426184135.51e54718@atomizer64> <20120427070759.000019f7@unknown> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.135 (Tomorrow I'll Wake Up and Scald Myself with Tea; GIT 30dc37b master) Subject: Re: Python module wnck? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:58:10 -0000 On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:07:59 -0400, Rod Person wrote: > On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 03:54:29 +0000 (UTC) > Walter Hurry wrote: >> >>> >> >>> How many of the screenlets actually work? When I was working on >> >>> this I found that a number of them where too linux specific to >> >>> work. I have a screenshot of the sticky note and weather working >> >>> but that's about all I can recall working. >> >> >> >> I only wanted three: Clock, ClearCalendar and ClearWeather. They >> >> work perfectly. I haven't tried any of the others. >> > >> > Consider making a port. Clearly there is some demand. >> > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/ >> >> For the Python wnck module, or for screenlets? I'm afraid that >> technically I am well short of the ability to do either. I am more than >> willing to help anyone who elects to so, though. >> >> Incidentally (and this is addressed to Rod mainly), the ClearWeather >> module was broken. I had to hack it a bit to get it to work properly. >> It got confused over proxies, but since I am not unfamiliar with >> Python, that presented no difficulty. >> >> > Creating a port itself is rather simple...it the porting of the code > from Linux to FreeBSD that is the hard part. I have one official port > that I made as a way to brush off my C skills, it works but it was hell > getting some of the Linux specific translated but thanks to one of the > committers it got cleaned up... > > But anyway, the issues with screenlets is getting any of the screenlets > that interface with the system to work such as Mount, MyIP, Netmonitor > or the CPU Meter, when I tried this with FreeBSD 7.2 none of them worked > because of all the Linux device names. > > If you know python this should not be too hard just time consuming. The > only reason I stopped working on this was I moved from using OpenBox to > using the i3 window manager. > > I can check around and see if I still have any thing I worked on laying > around but I'm not sure about that...I changed hard disks since then. > > I do love python so I would not be adversed to working on some of the > individual screenlet modules. Thanks for the encouragement, but my skills really are not up to that. Cheers, anyway. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 19:58:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5432F1065673 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:58:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0FEC58FC12 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:58:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 28392 invoked by uid 0); 27 Apr 2012 19:58:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2012 19:58:41 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=X/M11J5MDjenhi5YS6VlSrQIN2T9ob8M3SbF0p0uIgo=; b=cLJ2aUUnyImmpSqrOE/yifLLOz8Sadu/bsu+nq6OUHJpaLVWqko3/1YfGy90a+iaCrzBEv3++Qna8TTDcWV9hC/HRAEQ2eCaDiOHTFAAu4t2MY3oDcDnkKAO3fkW3tqm; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SNrJR-000402-5d for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:58:41 -0600 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:58:40 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120427195840.GA15455@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <201204241833.q3OIXwTR013401@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120424190227.GA1773@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425053133.e920b091.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120425064507.GA4673@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425085555.36f91b3a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120426215256.GA30059@hemlock.hydra> <20120426184306.783f9b4b@scorpio> <20120427163224.GA29149@hemlock.hydra> <20120427135710.2f66d2ac@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20120427135710.2f66d2ac@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:58:42 -0000 On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 01:57:10PM -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:32:24 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: > >On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 06:43:06PM -0400, Jerry wrote: > >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:52:56 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: > >> >On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 02:45:53PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Generic skills aren't recognized because they're hard to judge and > >> >> test for. People want quantifiable, objective things to weed out > >> >> applicants. This is also why credit scoring has become so > >> >> popular -- sure, someone's credit score may not tell whether > >> >> they'd be a good employee or not, but it's a convenient, > >> >> objective way to throw out a bunch of resumes. > >> > > >> >Indeed -- and the employer who bucks this trend does him/her self a > >> >huge service, because large numbers of very skilled and/or talented > >> >people are being rejected on entirely arbitrary criteria that have > >> >little or no correlation to their ability to do the job. People who > >> >use such critera are forcing themselves to compete with everyone > >> >else in the industry using the same criteria, leaving a glut of job > >> >candidates who would be great at the job waiting for someone else to > >> >give them a chance. > >> > >> Wouldn't it be far easier for this "glut of job applicants" to either > >> become proficient in the skills stated in the job description for > >> which they are applying or do what everyone else does; i.e. lie on > >> their rsum. If the mountain will not come to Mahomet, Mahomet must > >> go to the mountain. > > > >1. Pretty much every employer has a slightly different list of > >keywords. I guess you think all these job candidates should learn > >every skill in the world. > > No, I think they should learn the one(s) most sought after in their > chosen field. If 90% of the potential openings in a specific field are > requesting proficiency with MS Word, what do you think any legitimate > applicants should become proficient in? Right -- because all the keywords you need will always be Microsoft Word. Admit it: you're just making up half-baked excuses to disagree now. > > > >2. Lying is bad. Go fall in a hole, now. > > Yes, but it is never-the-less the norm on way too many resumes. I have > read where it is estimated that 1 out of every 3 is either a gross over > statement of fact or just a complete fabrication. My own (original) > resume, written by a professional resume writer many years ago, > absolutely astounded me. I had no idea I was as proficient and skilled > in so many areas. As the writer explained, it is not what you say > but how you say it. Just because I once wrote a two page article that > got published in a cheap magazine does not mean that I am an > accomplished author with numerous credits to my name -- or does it? No, it doesn't. Maybe "an accomplished author with one credit" to your name. Amusingly, that'll turn out to be a great way for employers to notice you're exaggerating with that "accopmlished author" bit, too. Only by lying ("numerous credits") can you allay suspicions for a moment in those credulous enough to not ask for samples (which absolutely does not make it okay). -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 20:47:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52DF6106564A for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:47:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBB08FC18 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:47:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl9 with SMTP id l9so851921yen.13 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:46:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:x-mailer:face:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=RoTKCmGmlmbY+imEIdYyZhHFZI5M0m/CyDcJqIw22PU=; b=H3Go86R2ZMNcBUtRZ8mpcQ1dhutGxHwBt9mBWeAIMhYJ/v+pJpZ4ekGr2HQgVvkip0 HXKBma6kq70WcGLbGiSQ4EelyI4Tq1JuDLtUi+5irndGLTBeGkB7FfwPScde/LfvVnKp a93nVyvC4MfmkrZQk00ZNk461YEIC3wspz1qg= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:x-mailer:face:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=RoTKCmGmlmbY+imEIdYyZhHFZI5M0m/CyDcJqIw22PU=; b=lFs47zPiuw6mrnukpOejrtsl8k5h46CKkVCDmCnMjhIg/XPv9gscfs1E44wwRkYqrt FuprD1aiE8awjTTa7mjYoxgfUSTl6cXHJh8Q8HL/PInlxh66KCOSfiWMoTYEppSU4nhf eC1NSsVEg1o0EsjfVxedUFwvfsUFWTOQNijegg1k0FjOvaKNGRBu4JECwlpy1O/E7AgW T5gDAU5DllnpbdgOEf6lCGRpCulaLXIecc2wpdeM6UPWx9GD8zTq62ePKLxtJ+QbdO+f Zzd42XPvi80J0pRkknw5S02JcC2icl/fFHYg3WYYtPBzjTdQ3t3mrGYozZuhJuOlpQvb M4Gg== Received: by 10.236.152.98 with SMTP id c62mr12259778yhk.35.1335559616350; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k8sm6695701anl.12.2012.04.27.13.46.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3VfRyj2pR9z2CG5r for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:46:52 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120427164652.4f021ab1@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120427195840.GA15455@hemlock.hydra> References: <201204241833.q3OIXwTR013401@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120424190227.GA1773@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425053133.e920b091.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120425064507.GA4673@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425085555.36f91b3a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120426215256.GA30059@hemlock.hydra> <20120426184306.783f9b4b@scorpio> <20120427163224.GA29149@hemlock.hydra> <20120427135710.2f66d2ac@scorpio> <20120427195840.GA15455@hemlock.hydra> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm+XHajAeqUqv1E79/0FhoKiCKzpl9phLspSy4doujQg2AOiXfvGfM5kNvcsxZ1/fcKbshZ Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:47:03 -0000 On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:58:40 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: >On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 01:57:10PM -0400, Jerry wrote: >> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:32:24 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: >> >On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 06:43:06PM -0400, Jerry wrote: >> >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:52:56 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: >> >> >On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 02:45:53PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Generic skills aren't recognized because they're hard to judge >> >> >> and test for. People want quantifiable, objective things to >> >> >> weed out applicants. This is also why credit scoring has >> >> >> become so popular -- sure, someone's credit score may not tell >> >> >> whether they'd be a good employee or not, but it's a >> >> >> convenient, objective way to throw out a bunch of resumes. >> >> > >> >> >Indeed -- and the employer who bucks this trend does him/her >> >> >self a huge service, because large numbers of very skilled >> >> >and/or talented people are being rejected on entirely arbitrary >> >> >criteria that have little or no correlation to their ability to >> >> >do the job. People who use such critera are forcing themselves >> >> >to compete with everyone else in the industry using the same >> >> >criteria, leaving a glut of job candidates who would be great at >> >> >the job waiting for someone else to give them a chance. >> >> >> >> Wouldn't it be far easier for this "glut of job applicants" to >> >> either become proficient in the skills stated in the job >> >> description for which they are applying or do what everyone else >> >> does; i.e. lie on their résumé. If the mountain will not come to >> >> Mahomet, Mahomet must go to the mountain. >> > >> >1. Pretty much every employer has a slightly different list of >> >keywords. I guess you think all these job candidates should learn >> >every skill in the world. >> >> No, I think they should learn the one(s) most sought after in their >> chosen field. If 90% of the potential openings in a specific field >> are requesting proficiency with MS Word, what do you think any >> legitimate applicants should become proficient in? > >Right -- because all the keywords you need will always be Microsoft >Word. > >Admit it: you're just making up half-baked excuses to disagree now. If the requirement is for proficiency in MS Word, Excel or whatever and you lack those skills then you are not qualified for the job. Period. If those skills are the ones most requested then the applicant should learn them. It doesn't get any simpler than that. If a job required proficiency with 3+ years minimum experience in c++ and you only had knowledge of Pascal, would you still believe you were qualified? >> >2. Lying is bad. Go fall in a hole, now. >> >> Yes, but it is never-the-less the norm on way too many resumes. I >> have read where it is estimated that 1 out of every 3 is either a >> gross over statement of fact or just a complete fabrication. My own >> (original) resume, written by a professional resume writer many >> years ago, absolutely astounded me. I had no idea I was as >> proficient and skilled in so many areas. As the writer explained, it >> is not what you say but how you say it. Just because I once wrote a >> two page article that got published in a cheap magazine does not >> mean that I am an accomplished author with numerous credits to my >> name -- or does it? > >No, it doesn't. Maybe "an accomplished author with one credit" to your >name. Amusingly, that'll turn out to be a great way for employers to >notice you're exaggerating with that "accopmlished author" bit, too. >Only by lying ("numerous credits") can you allay suspicions for a >moment in those credulous enough to not ask for samples (which >absolutely does not make it okay). Now you are being naive. There are numerous examples of people in both corporate and government jobs that have made out right lies as to their education, etcetera. Some of those frauds have gone undetected for years. The majority of resumes for entry level jobs are rarely if ever given more than a perfunctory look. The bottom line is if you want a job, you either learn or acquire the criteria required for the job, or find a way to BS your way into it and hope you can pull it off. No legitimate employer is going to change his criteria to accommodate your skills. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 21:19:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E473D106564A for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:19:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net [207.145.128.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07948FC08 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:19:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.39]) by asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEAA8A73097 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27697 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2012 21:19:21 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 10648, pid: 25634, t: 0.1794s scanners: clamav: m: Received: from unknown (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 27 Apr 2012 21:19:20 -0000 Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.8]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB84033C1D; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 5BC0D39869; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:19:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Frank Staals References: Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:19:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Frank Staals's message of "Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:35:10 +0200") Message-ID: <44ipgkg9f1.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: Synchronising jails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD-Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:19:29 -0000 Frank Staals writes: > Hey Everyone, > > I'm looking for a way to synchronise two jails. More specifically, I > would like to keep/maintain an exact copy of a given jail. As an > example: Suppose I build a jail A on some system (in my particular case > build with ezjail) , and I copy the jail > into jail B on some other system (using tar, as is mentioned > here: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=17813). Now stuff > happens in Jail A, e.g. files change, new stuff is installed etc. I > would like to propagate these changes to jail B, but since the transfer > is over WAN I would like not to have to copy the entire jail again, just > the stuff that has changed since the last backup. It is safe to assume > nothing in Jail B changes: I basically want to maintain the exact copy > so if something would happen to the system running Jail A I can > immediately switch to jail B without much hassle. > > Normally I would say this a perfect use case for rsync. But as the > aforementioned thread mentions ``scp or similar wont work to copy a > jail'', and I consider rsync similar to scp, I am under the impression > that rsync would not be usable in this situation. Can anyone shed some > light on this, or suggest an alternative to synchronise the jails? I didn't don't know of any problem with using rsync (over ssh) for this, and after reading the thread to which you refer, I still don't. Set up a testbed using rsync and see if it works for you. If it doesn't, *then* you'll have something we can try to solve. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 21:33:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E06106566B for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:33:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FFC8FC12 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds12 with SMTP id ds12so1058826wgb.31 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:33:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=aEIP/BGpWqXBP5ZgeDZf8wBdOHSOYbMtxI6z/wpBzLY=; b=R9ydfvuK/VYqY5c9jjpGawZWIEJ4dDAsV/7E8zMu3nQz/8/LMQj7th3kx0Kr/g4NYN ug1nNlpquFpLaNQmtuQX6JiPu9lhMNHni5BArsTL44jcRjRORhNnZqpYB0vjRj+Vv6iM ppit1JL2dZJESOExNCPo0/rueY1zWMrZUm5bKm1O1uBl0UvBvy+EjA+eJIwDcw/iA8bq 3jPQnHRyytY20OyyVYwd1i5mhNd87EjU7opTf0GK1Yw6dP5MOIxRVwFjsLKE42axHk40 9xo1svIjgtnFHqo4mLbdOQ3v30wMxn3g0TWyvg9agQ1ICnGjgVDnA4CAvbdmuJUXBlm5 KodA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.139.129 with SMTP id c1mr3328370wej.48.1335562409570; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:33:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.180.67 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:33:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.17.211] In-Reply-To: <20120426215256.GA30059@hemlock.hydra> References: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <201204241833.q3OIXwTR013401@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120424190227.GA1773@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425053133.e920b091.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120425064507.GA4673@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425085555.36f91b3a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120426215256.GA30059@hemlock.hydra> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:33:29 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmNBFHEOTQGJXonY8317gqgzWCYa5OmeX9pW+1FQA3Q72gpMsdJOKFgZhCJY+ezDUEK/G3Y Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:33:31 -0000 On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > Indeed -- and the employer who bucks this trend does him/her self a huge > service, because large numbers of very skilled and/or talented people are > being rejected on entirely arbitrary criteria that have little or no > correlation to their ability to do the job. Keep in mind in today's job market, and given Internet methods of advertising positions, the problem isn't in finding qualified people -- the problem is in whittling down the couple thousand or so resumes you get to a manageable pile. You can afford to reject some qualified applicants in that process because there are always more looking. Again, this is one of the reasons credit scoring is becoming so popular -- it's an almost automatic way to narrow down the pile. Another method in common use right now is to throw out applications from anyone who's currently unemployed, and only look at ones who already have a position and are looking to change jobs. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 21:42:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257361065670 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:42:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joh.hendriks@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F4028FC0A for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:42:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eekd17 with SMTP id d17so328167eek.13 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:42:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=0O8dlM3ZhAjXNwvuyBkWiVrC85UGMoMDazVh3Tahd+w=; b=0XoaY5sKsttDaxEEeuYVhLhQeFskcm7Kkax1IBNLpD9A/+GfCaLMBbdJKm6owmsj1T WuLPEyuUFyPnDaL+tQTJGwn5FKUPSoPHWIX0E2jqiThoV3+3rj3PNKLYgMKRTVEF2PPc vXBrovT8aVIEtVJKlxQhKWm83Oa4tSR2BviX+AuejjqiOPU0IPAcTYQuNZS4WWgavqG/ mezhlu+GeTFhnk5FyKWELBXuwcrYRQjkrxnvcN9Uw8k7t0scYAQjHbdywvBQvmqnbQ3x ntiQ7GEELrNfXmdl33uZRU8tvAdgBIiRUXAcYzvh+dbZKUM5go45Ogofdbx6JG6+/1ib Q91w== Received: by 10.213.112.143 with SMTP id w15mr867042ebp.270.1335562632876; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.13] (5ED0E470.cm-7-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl. [94.208.228.112]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z47sm35955636een.5.2012.04.27.14.37.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:37:11 -0700 (PDT) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <7D6B2E86-2318-495C-A13C-87E122F013FD@gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) From: Johan Hendriks Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:37:13 +0200 To: Frank Staals Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Synchronising jails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:42:41 -0000 >=20 > Hey Everyone, >=20 > I'm looking for a way to synchronise two jails. More specifically, I > would like to keep/maintain an exact copy of a given jail. As an > example: Suppose I build a jail A on some system (in my particular case > build with ezjail) , and I copy the jail > into jail B on some other system (using tar, as is mentioned > here: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=3D17813). Now stuff > happens in Jail A, e.g. files change, new stuff is installed etc. I > would like to propagate these changes to jail B, but since the transfer > is over WAN I would like not to have to copy the entire jail again, just > the stuff that has changed since the last backup. It is safe to assume > nothing in Jail B changes: I basically want to maintain the exact copy > so if something would happen to the system running Jail A I can > immediately switch to jail B without much hassle.=20 >=20 > Normally I would say this a perfect use case for rsync. But as the > aforementioned thread mentions ``scp or similar wont work to copy a > jail'', and I consider rsync similar to scp, I am under the impression > that rsync would not be usable in this situation. Can anyone shed some > light on this, or suggest an alternative to synchronise the jails? =20 >=20 >=20 > Regards,=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > - Frank > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" Maybe you can store your jails on a per jail zfs filesystem. Then use zfs send/receive to send the incremental changes to the remote mach= ine. Regards, Johan Hendriks= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 21:59:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16D00106566C for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:59:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C52EA8FC12 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SNtCB-0005lJ-Gk for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:59:19 +0200 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:59:19 +0200 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:59:19 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 43 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.135 (Tomorrow I'll Wake Up and Scald Myself with Tea; GIT 30dc37b master) Subject: Unresolvable links X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:59:22 -0000 Arising from a very useful link posted by Warren Block in another thread: http://forums.freebsd.org/showpost.php?p=163415&postcount=17 , I have been running libchk. It now gives the following (relevant) output: Unresolvable link(s) found in: /usr/local/lib/libreoffice/program/ configmgr.uno.so libxmlreader.so Unresolvable link(s) found in: /usr/local/lib/firefox/sdk/lib/libxul.so libmozsqlite3.so Unresolvable link(s) found in: /usr/local/lib/firefox/components/ libmozgnome.so libmozalloc.so libxpcom.so Unresolvable link(s) found in: /usr/local/lib/firefox/components/ libdbusservice.so libmozalloc.so libxpcom.so Unresolvable link(s) found in: /usr/local/lib/firefox/components/ libbrowsercomps.so libmozalloc.so libxul.so libxpcom.so All these shared object files are present in one lib or another, so my suspicion is that somehow the 'parent' shared objects are looking for them in the wrong place. Any ideas on fixing this please? 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m30sm34393927yhe.15.2012.04.27.15.00.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3VfTc414D8z2CG5r for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:00:51 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120427180051.4260a9f5@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <201204241833.q3OIXwTR013401@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120424190227.GA1773@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425053133.e920b091.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120425064507.GA4673@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425085555.36f91b3a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120426215256.GA30059@hemlock.hydra> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkdSoY2+6WRgwyhvSIjVaREn6DXkpy0FQOQ/7hG1dRhbEplSyWKnrJtVIHInoxJkd/nCJ+z Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:00:56 -0000 On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:33:29 -0700 David Brodbeck articulated: >Again, this is one of the reasons credit scoring is becoming so >popular -- it's an almost automatic way to narrow down the pile. >Another method in common use right now is to throw out applications >from anyone who's currently unemployed, and only look at ones who >already have a position and are looking to change jobs. I have been told by several people in HR that the trend to give preference to those all ready working as opposed to the unemployed is based on the philosophy that if no one else will hire them, then why should we. While we could argue whether that logic is flawed, it is never-the-less presently in use. However, it doesn't really pertain to entry level openings. With the glut of individuals entering the job market, for an applicant to not be proficient in the skills being advertised for by the prospective employer is just a waste of time. If the employer is looking for skill "A" and "B", crying to him/her that you have skill "C" is just a waste of both your times. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 22:01:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2210F1065679 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:01:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from delon78@yahoo.com) Received: from nm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.63]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6BF698FC1C for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:01:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [77.238.189.230] by nm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2012 22:01:28 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.120] by tm11.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2012 22:01:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2012 22:01:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 255817.36980.bm@omp1029.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 81251 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2012 22:01:28 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1335564088; bh=jHfGbJ8Tk/47uq8bbgaO3Iqhm5wNyoDA1eNbGthJzqE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pXVVXU2FdbWPlCwiBsmM7ApNDNEc3BsFMvwy67eMKpHrI/uxOsqE94CBTFq5hb9daOwDjiJaibdizsZn0oMDzN0hJ+VprQBPCduVKMrEetiixO19rf+s2DoDVTUAfWPOB6WI30Kar+n0MHpzE1/fscNlhlo2YMUQj7IJeH7/NyI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=slHh91jnBsyozZw6RXPlSrj2Fn2MxBPpdlWRR0U56sl4ISEKA8WEVRc/TaFjkyXJnQH/J9lcE2dVzx+OEZB2jVpJaprTR9QKlmfDf2jyzCl/zvq1zY/gxKgH4AonT4LaCFJNyp2z7cxLTLJzsO908Vm/aeJzGZfe8sx+H58HwbQ=; X-YMail-OSG: voL6jPMVM1mPQkiOGY41zQynTiuLxBd_vfO4aVGIeuknZb4 ZHAWqoeUgwKDobVDD7sFkMmr1V3IfDUQ5ecM7I8.ksDjHr_eC4NU8lyvcRjU yMW9XcaJ3JCpJvv04yGzDhUkKJ5BKvBI3uU_UivlKD3bpwat7na5PTc76nDo SgFgiYauBifzPVT2zaFdj_yLFpu84JrBvSq7LzPt_Zz_krxKbCAlwNoju6Zc x3WXy_bBvaWWrHLLzb8VzoeQ0jlPjOTuxdcB4R1ruXcXcmyd8pvsrpLzNalQ biyJXpyIYr9WLFdhjChEqQCwJsaxwjyjOXA_5Q8rvyBxTy1wYgCe2Uvzb3r. 36AB_ogkJyUKBT3LifXaUnHklpt5EXeZgGK86m2wueGkHUVhdqwhqn6AXTdH JD52KEka5O3Qbh50TaeQc7Zmk6Igc2oRG Received: from [90.193.33.204] by web29703.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:01:28 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1335564088.81017.YahooMailNeo@web29703.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:01:28 +0100 (BST) From: dhillon sandeep To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:44:18 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: need help on installing bsd in virtual box X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dhillon sandeep List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:01:30 -0000 Hi,=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 I am struggling in installing the bsd in virtualbo= x=0Ai am totally new to unix, but have previously installed=0AUbuntu linux = in my virtual box, i have dounloaded both the images bootonly and release i= so, after creating the new virtual machine and starting it for first time a= nd by selecting the iso image nothing is happening or getting installed in = the virtual machine. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 23:52:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B74E106566B for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:52:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16FD28FC12 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:52:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so2182009iah.13 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:52:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=qmh0gLxC9RuJ49vU3P/vGntEm/9hl2HQ2uJGM9f3lI0=; b=UPKeUundECSQUEFfI7hd9c11pM8M0JWjf9DF/16MYPIexAFyC1HvoUysLhCA45uA8Z B42uWgayYIIS8CvFkZJaCHeq4+oxZdP2024ZKXRggf6Ca8MM0mwQ4Y3X6D5xdfORTZVC tztlqMBVh/uZirbKf0cSbjsCVbFNhOyBUMeBQaoUFq1XMcogNlpNwKReKgkXr1ezghH3 ECZcz01ZOUoiTs4pvVRge6K+x2dOM3Kb/MVSzmXz8JTgoKZyyDHpdI6EPLXZuF0P5CNp TqEV7o7ovm7VPQfD55rnx1pINeZAZA1Uznq041nLjEiA8KnfjPLyUNdTRSAhSgbrMqQa 2U1Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.142.71 with SMTP id r7mr10680202icu.7.1335570756746; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.74.138 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:52:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnn/jgiuKT0HKIKWKoOwYli+RFmRJBiCETeRrAeppl+JoJMplK+0TOhLMC1y0Qju2S9cj51 Subject: UFS Crash and directories now missing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:52:38 -0000 Hi folks, We had a server crash and required a hard reboot. The system is on one disk and another disc mounts /usr/jails and everything runs in jails, pristine base system, and the base system is working perfectly. The second volume, the one with the jails mounted but every jail directory disappeared except one. df still shows the data being used so I'm guessing it's a logical error in the directory structure or something. I unmounted the drive and ran fsck and reported no problems. df shows the data being use so where is the data?? This is FreeBSD 8.2 updated, patched etc. The volume was UFS + Journal Any help is GREATLY appreciated! Thanks! -- Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 23:54:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F121D1065670 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:54:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from betty.computinginnovations.com (mail.computinginnovations.com [64.81.227.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B1008FC16 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:54:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from i7-quad-PC.computinginnovations.com (dhcp-10-20-30-142.computinginnovations.com [10.20.30.142]) by betty.computinginnovations.com (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q3RNp47l074721; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:51:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20120427184836.058993d0@mail.computinginnovations.com> X-Sender: derek@mail.computinginnovations.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:50:49 -0500 To: dhillon sandeep , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" From: Derek Ragona In-Reply-To: <1335564088.81017.YahooMailNeo@web29703.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <1335564088.81017.YahooMailNeo@web29703.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120427-1, 04/27/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-yoursite-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-yoursite-MailScanner-ID: q3RNp47l074721 X-yoursite-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-yoursite-MailScanner-From: derek@computinginnovations.com X-Spam-Status: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: need help on installing bsd in virtual box X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:54:15 -0000 At 05:01 PM 4/27/2012, dhillon sandeep wrote: >Hi, > I am struggling in installing the bsd in virtualbox >i am totally new to unix, but have previously installed >Ubuntu linux in my virtual box, i have dounloaded both the images bootonly >and release iso, after creating the new virtual machine and starting it >for first time and by selecting the iso image nothing is happening or >getting installed in the virtual machine. I downloaded the iso images from >your BSD website. Please let me know what i am doing wrong or what do i >need to do to install bsd. > > >Thanks >Sandeep. You need to be specific on which version of virtualbox you are using and which version of FreeBSD. I have had no problem install FreeBSD in virtualbox, and in other virtual environments. I use the disk1 iso and boot that which brings up the FreeBSD installer. -Derek -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 00:28:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA0A106566C for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 00:28:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 692B08FC08 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 00:28:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 22942 invoked by uid 0); 28 Apr 2012 00:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2012 00:28:20 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=LTPqT4bADRF2cxInG0Bb3Xs+yiNwydh5B2jX0hUUV04=; b=n3vtm7aGkV9HAf9DsV+WgaICFBXBgmiRw6qMju2CoMtIp0CFhNPWjERKeFDZKsOydAoj3pI5EcaPjvSZPpd/Tflq2boIwlYuUBtxcWIcRQ7OuDC2LfOoL4j8Ke4KizQr; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SNvWN-0007b2-IK for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:28:19 -0600 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:28:19 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120428002819.GA22822@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20120425053133.e920b091.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120425064507.GA4673@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425085555.36f91b3a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120426215256.GA30059@hemlock.hydra> <20120426184306.783f9b4b@scorpio> <20120427163224.GA29149@hemlock.hydra> <20120427135710.2f66d2ac@scorpio> <20120427195840.GA15455@hemlock.hydra> <20120427164652.4f021ab1@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120427164652.4f021ab1@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 00:28:20 -0000 On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 04:46:52PM -0400, Jerry wrote: > > Now you are being naive. There are numerous examples of people in both > corporate and government jobs that have made out right lies as to > their education, etcetera. Some of those frauds have gone undetected > for years. The majority of resumes for entry level jobs are rarely if > ever given more than a perfunctory look. You say that as though I somehow argued that people don't lie, or that all people who lie get caught. I made no such statements. If you're going to argue against things I didn't say, you should just send the emails to yourself and leave both me and the rest of the mailing list out of the discussion. > > The bottom line is if you want a job, you either learn or acquire the > criteria required for the job, or find a way to BS your way into it > and hope you can pull it off. No legitimate employer is going to change > his criteria to accommodate your skills. Good job completely bypassing my actual statements to make a point about something else entirely. Congratulations on your irrelevance. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 00:33:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE3BC106564A for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 00:33:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8819C8FC19 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 00:33:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 6473 invoked by uid 0); 28 Apr 2012 00:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2012 00:33:41 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=uJzVAQ0FDgeuvtuR4WQNIZ/Yz0wqa72bPV9jhGM8t2I=; b=kXOkp5/V55kGPbEDKwpLptKsb48evJZXt5gSb+smUgK5pn0gc/Spay2UjmQNX8MjIOY8tvma78oncAANEHWx4H5wDseQo5xCjKa+H8svuiUzZHXn+S/NgKk2xImxBA1O; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SNvbY-0004MN-Ks for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:33:40 -0600 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:33:40 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120428003340.GB22822@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <201204241833.q3OIXwTR013401@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120424190227.GA1773@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425053133.e920b091.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120425064507.GA4673@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425085555.36f91b3a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120426215256.GA30059@hemlock.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 00:33:42 -0000 On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 02:33:29PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > Indeed -- and the employer who bucks this trend does him/her self a huge > > service, because large numbers of very skilled and/or talented people are > > being rejected on entirely arbitrary criteria that have little or no > > correlation to their ability to do the job. > > Keep in mind in today's job market, and given Internet methods of > advertising positions, the problem isn't in finding qualified people > -- the problem is in whittling down the couple thousand or so resumes > you get to a manageable pile. You can afford to reject some qualified > applicants in that process because there are always more looking. That's not exactly true. The problem is cutting out the people who only *claim* to be qualified, and end up with the best candidate for the job (or to get as close to that as possible). The fact that most organizations' "responsible" parties in the hiring process just punt on that and go straight toward "I don't care if he's good at the job -- I only care that I do things in a way that ensures I don't get blamed for any failures" does not change that fact. That also completely ignores the fact that many employers complain that they can't find qualified candidates, ever, for skilled technical positions. > > Again, this is one of the reasons credit scoring is becoming so > popular -- it's an almost automatic way to narrow down the pile. > Another method in common use right now is to throw out applications > from anyone who's currently unemployed, and only look at ones who > already have a position and are looking to change jobs. . . . which just reinforces the point that most organizations are optimizing for finding people who land around the fiftieth percentile in terms of a good fit for the job, when they could benefit much more from getting somewhere up around the range of the ninety-eighth percentile. Luckily for those who buck the trends, it's a lot easier to get someone in that range than it should be, because many employers are cutting a lot of those candidates out of their job searches based on essentially arbitrary criteria. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 00:36:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E202106564A for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 00:36:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4ABBF8FC08 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 00:36:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14571 invoked by uid 0); 28 Apr 2012 00:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2012 00:36:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=C6ejof0pap1//Wl12wrdjje3XDwZ5VQ0zdPgzeKClZI=; b=ZJkRqk6fsaXDoXLxQaJdOq9dZ+dpEJckXAsE/98op32ZhEBpVmhk5WLyWRK/zBlh1b7ZWMIMS/2w5Bhjr5QglfDp/1GtsUSwzdgY/YSUC+ZmXPydj1AFv0ob6x/5NeYN; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SNve1-00074H-JS for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:36:13 -0600 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:36:13 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120428003613.GC22822@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <201204241833.q3OIXwTR013401@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120424190227.GA1773@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425053133.e920b091.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120425064507.GA4673@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425085555.36f91b3a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120426215256.GA30059@hemlock.hydra> <20120427180051.4260a9f5@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120427180051.4260a9f5@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 00:36:14 -0000 On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 06:00:51PM -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:33:29 -0700 David Brodbeck articulated: > > > >Again, this is one of the reasons credit scoring is becoming so > >popular -- it's an almost automatic way to narrow down the pile. > >Another method in common use right now is to throw out applications > >from anyone who's currently unemployed, and only look at ones who > >already have a position and are looking to change jobs. > > I have been told by several people in HR that the trend to give > preference to those all ready working as opposed to the unemployed is > based on the philosophy that if no one else will hire them, then why > should we. While we could argue whether that logic is flawed, it is > never-the-less presently in use. However, it doesn't really pertain to > entry level openings. With the glut of individuals entering the job > market, for an applicant to not be proficient in the skills being > advertised for by the prospective employer is just a waste of time. If > the employer is looking for skill "A" and "B", crying to him/her that > you have skill "C" is just a waste of both your times. It *does* pertain to "entry level" positions, because (from what I have seen) most "entry level" positions come with an experience requirement of at least two years. You speak as though you think they're correctly identifying the skills they actually need from their employees. A big part of this entire discussion has been about the fact that many "responsible" parties in the hiring process are utterly without capacity for correctly identifying the skills they actually need to optimally fill the open positions. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 02:27:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFDCB106564A for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 02:27:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313168FC0A for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 02:27:57 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; s=DKIM-NAME-SERVICES; d=a1poweruser.com; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:X-Sender:X-Envelope-From; l=500; bh=myLybDkuPob5rB2ebX/U7+47frcH8GH8MlVeydALjnM=; b=FAFXBlm+M38uSFmEFL8pNWalPsl5qZ65Jhm53yf3MOxaLftMSX6vOWsRQOv8+g9izU7jKo2qAQsMVIO1d7GOM6NhaK4jIen18I0JF8IzCZdPx9fJJbehGfKRPUmHLiPMycNdxRUYm7pkOAefiO3OzmhiVqmsXdW84AlATNLp/2Q= Received: from [10.0.10.1] ([173.88.208.155]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:26:52 -0700 Message-ID: <4F9B5571.3040808@a1poweruser.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:26:57 -0400 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Staals References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2012 02:26:52.0372 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F4F4140:01CD24E6] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Authenticated-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-EchoSenderHash: [fbsd8]-[a1poweruser*com] X-Envelope-From: fbsd8*a1poweruser.com Cc: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: Synchronising jails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 02:27:58 -0000 Frank Staals wrote: > Hey Everyone, > > I'm looking for a way to synchronise two jails. More specifically, I > would like to keep/maintain an exact copy of a given jail. As an > example: Suppose I build a jail A on some system (in my particular case > build with ezjail) , and I copy the jail > into jail B on some other system (using tar, as is mentioned > here: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=17813). Now stuff > happens in Jail A, e.g. files change, new stuff is installed etc. I > would like to propagate these changes to jail B, but since the transfer > is over WAN I would like not to have to copy the entire jail again, just > the stuff that has changed since the last backup. It is safe to assume > nothing in Jail B changes: I basically want to maintain the exact copy > so if something would happen to the system running Jail A I can > immediately switch to jail B without much hassle. > > Normally I would say this a perfect use case for rsync. But as the > aforementioned thread mentions ``scp or similar wont work to copy a > jail'', and I consider rsync similar to scp, I am under the impression > that rsync would not be usable in this situation. Can anyone shed some > light on this, or suggest an alternative to synchronise the jails? > > > Regards, > I have 3 different ideas that would work. Method 1. move changes to basejail. Use qjail to create your hosta-jaila and hostb-jaila. Qjail has a bkup function that you can backup the hosta-jaila basejail in compressed dump format and move that file to hostb any way you want and then use qjail restore function to restore that dump file to hostb-jaila basejail. bkuping up basejail takes less than one minute. method 2. move user data changes to jaila. create hosta-jaila and hosta-jailb both being the same. After changes to hosta-jaila run diff on hosta-jaila, hosta-jailb and them move the diff file to hostb and apply the diff to hostb-jaila. method 3. move user data changes to jaila. Use qjail to backup hosta-jaila and restore it to hostb-jaila. Backing up a jail takes less than 15 seconds. Note, Both hosta and hostb must be at same operating system version level. Ezjail also has function to bkup a jail but no way to bkup basejail. You can issue a "dump" command on the command line to create one after all jails are stopped. In my book rsync is the automated way to keep two live system in sync real time. Maybe overkill in something that is pretty much stable. If say hosta/jaila is running a mail server or a website that remote users enter info into, then rsync is the only solution. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 02:33:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D36CB106566C for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 02:33:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4BE8FC0A for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 02:33:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so2352352iah.13 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:33:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=xOtADDpg9C4x5YrjF4CxO48Fp9fN3g9FKt3B8pcqbNs=; b=hgxsNyQGQisqWExHVMwZSqOSpHiHXIMO5E2WtJpeMB9NBos0q8BAKFyvyDMngpe1Nk VqrGW8ntZtDkjwd94EsvdOyB6CW266Kt8thgy6+gsX4wg2AN5ELEFk487/TzJ0VIEOLs XBoKp7ik6vU/lLmKn4hWhjbjPKYI39+kibNadLAvPOeaHin9Umcygkq+9AdfpeTCN9F2 auv/9FOZ4IKXUwh8Q9CeuMIyf2bdRJrSYsP+C8bOGZOV6+nsnZv8qfggatEaP1zN7ZlV KM/JB4ksUnafZDWr1QEzVEng8UbACJoQiFttPut/sw1668GXVaSPCAMsuNHklGfbx6bf WEvw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.88.199 with SMTP id bi7mr4469249igb.26.1335580427989; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.74.138 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:33:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:33:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnKBYRLRmcjnMCi3afvzU/hyQ6t2N31LGQB6Kr9yUp6OB1wZvZYI3GXjeqvGWYtsbYWcDWa Subject: Re: UFS Crash and directories now missing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 02:33:48 -0000 On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Alejandro Imass wrote: > Hi folks, > > We had a server crash and required a hard reboot. The system is on one > disk and another disc mounts /usr/jails and everything runs in jails, > pristine base system, and the base system is working perfectly. > > The second volume, the one with the jails mounted but every jail > directory disappeared except one. df still shows the data being used > so I'm guessing it's a logical error in the directory structure or > something. I unmounted the drive and ran fsck and reported no > problems. df shows the data being use so where is the data?? > OK, so here is an update, maybe someone has some clue here.... All the jails wound up in the /usr/local/etc/apache22 of the only surviving jail which is the http proxy to all the other jails. Right before the server crashed I noticed MySQL at 100% o several CPUs and the server was on it's knees, so I'm wondering.... was this an attack? is it possible that Apache or MySQL moved the files?? I mean the jails are there, I'm even backing them up right now.... but how did these directories move here????? Anybody has ANY logical explanation??? Thanks, -- Alejandro Imass > This is FreeBSD 8.2 updated, patched etc. The volume was UFS + Journal > > Any help is GREATLY appreciated! > > Thanks! > > -- > Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 03:00:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C86B106566B for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 03:00:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (asmtp4.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7038FC15 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 03:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q3S2NRLq023744; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 03:23:27 +0100 Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (host-92-22-211-66.as13285.net [92.22.211.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q3S2NRsR023737; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 03:23:27 +0100 Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DB48E33C52; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 03:23:26 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 03:23:26 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: David Brodbeck Message-ID: <20120428022326.GA71425@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <201204241833.q3OIXwTR013401@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120424190227.GA1773@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425053133.e920b091.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120425064507.GA4673@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425085555.36f91b3a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120426215256.GA30059@hemlock.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.3-RC1 amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 03:00:06 -0000 --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 02:33:29PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > Indeed -- and the employer who bucks this trend does him/her self a huge > > service, because large numbers of very skilled and/or talented people a= re > > being rejected on entirely arbitrary criteria that have little or no > > correlation to their ability to do the job. >=20 > Keep in mind in today's job market, and given Internet methods of > advertising positions, the problem isn't in finding qualified people > -- the problem is in whittling down the couple thousand or so resumes > you get to a manageable pile. You can afford to reject some qualified > applicants in that process because there are always more looking. >=20 > Again, this is one of the reasons credit scoring is becoming so > popular -- it's an almost automatic way to narrow down the pile. > Another method in common use right now is to throw out applications > from anyone who's currently unemployed, and only look at ones who > already have a position and are looking to change jobs. Reminds me of an episode of "The Office". The manager gets a pile of resumes/CVs and immediately bungs half of them in the trash. His reasoning: he doesn't like employing "unlucky" people :) Regards, --=20 Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk+bVJ0ACgkQHduKvUAgeK7GmACdGBaP2m+l7WosVmKWeb+VZaEa RWcAoMhSwr2Iru4Hs20dAroEeTFDXwrr =Q0M6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 02:59:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D213D1065673 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 02:59:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@alogreentechnologies.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E5D48FC14 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 02:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amd620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q3S2xk5M004794; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:59:49 -0600 From: Erich Dollansky Organization: ALO Green Technologies Pte Ltd To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:00:05 +0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.3-STABLE; KDE/4.7.4; amd64; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201204281000.05551.erich@alogreentechnologies.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 03:06:54 +0000 Cc: Alejandro Imass Subject: Re: UFS Crash and directories now missing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 02:59:50 -0000 Hi, On Saturday 28 April 2012 09:33:47 Alejandro Imass wrote: > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Alejandro Imass wrote: > > > > We had a server crash and required a hard reboot. The system is on one > > disk and another disc mounts /usr/jails and everything runs in jails, > > pristine base system, and the base system is working perfectly. > > > > The second volume, the one with the jails mounted but every jail > > directory disappeared except one. df still shows the data being used > > so I'm guessing it's a logical error in the directory structure or > > something. I unmounted the drive and ran fsck and reported no > > problems. df shows the data being use so where is the data?? > > what is du saying? > > OK, so here is an update, maybe someone has some clue here.... > > All the jails wound up in the /usr/local/etc/apache22 of the only > surviving jail which is the http proxy to all the other jails. You want to say that all the data you were looking for have been moved to this directory? > > Right before the server crashed I noticed MySQL at 100% o several CPUs > and the server was on it's knees, so I'm wondering.... was this an > attack? is it possible that Apache or MySQL moved the files?? > > I mean the jails are there, I'm even backing them up right now.... but > how did these directories move here????? > > Anybody has ANY logical explanation??? Journaling is new to me. Could this be the cause? Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 03:07:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17BD106578C for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 03:07:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744998FC16 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 03:07:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so2384634iah.13 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:07:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=RlTMYPmpFDdSXLPj6L8Z1JokFULoz9B3raxQ9RIpFrQ=; b=Uwb1Lf0PhyFpGjZI3Qyzm58nXLoJWqwcIkribRCZggy7fndRvY/4X8gsPYUcE5Vc+Q 13WAMZkGa/N8VxbLxlK/1yOxcxSQ8CxekvBmGOiBynKzo0ISEVVxNG6m4XKR+1NTef5G bYHkJPY8KjJd+fidoeFLl+KojL3aeiX+Qagb+gzKlWy5wVwG6T31Vi0YS1GZZ5VzuWqd EcOJuUKwDQRKHXtLmz9pFEghBxvxI2RBzIsNoV4J+0kEGSwQPhqN36gFLuPOwjBB6A4U 9gIFjGnG99JE0o+l6g2K74/txSAWFqRHbTsE4OaQSp3SvslXIJvFoIy0opL3OzOXoBVt YWbw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.88.199 with SMTP id bi7mr4512894igb.26.1335582471030; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.74.138 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:07:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201204281000.05551.erich@alogreentechnologies.com> References: <201204281000.05551.erich@alogreentechnologies.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:07:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: Erich Dollansky Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnsYIGjzDBz7K3rZpnNhFJOXjqRPqL1UBTVb2x8M+7ypok4jT9p0In+ncCYzQPOtmxOQnOZ Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UFS Crash and directories now missing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 03:07:51 -0000 On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:00 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Saturday 28 April 2012 09:33:47 Alejandro Imass wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Alejandro Imass wrote: >> > >> > We had a server crash and required a hard reboot. The system is on one >> > disk and another disc mounts /usr/jails and everything runs in jails, >> > pristine base system, and the base system is working perfectly. >> > >> > The second volume, the one with the jails mounted but every jail >> > directory disappeared except one. df still shows the data being used >> > so I'm guessing it's a logical error in the directory structure or >> > something. I unmounted the drive and ran fsck and reported no >> > problems. df shows the data being use so where is the data?? >> > > > what is du saying? >> >> OK, so here is an update, maybe someone has some clue here.... >> >> All the jails wound up in the /usr/local/etc/apache22 of the only >> surviving jail which is the http proxy to all the other jails. > > You want to say that all the data you were looking for have been moved to this directory? >> EXACTLY THAT. In fact the data is intact and I have already backed-up everything to another disk. >> Right before the server crashed I noticed MySQL at 100% o several CPUs >> and the server was on it's knees, so I'm wondering.... was this an >> attack? is it possible that Apache or MySQL moved the files?? >> >> I mean the jails are there, I'm even backing them up right now.... but >> how did these directories move here????? >> >> Anybody has ANY logical explanation??? > > Journaling is new to me. Could this be the cause? > Maybe so, I have no idea. Maybe it's because EzJail mount volumes with each jail or some other wild explanation. I honestly have never seen this before. I am just glad that UFS was nice enough to keep my data somewhere at least, and after my bad experiences with ZFS I can now say with a lot more certainty that UFS rocks. I mean something got screwed up but the data was not lost. Hope someone can shed some light here.. -- Alejandro > Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 04:20:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79502106566B for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 04:20:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 269098FC08 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 04:20:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amd620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q3S4KTAD024819; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:20:33 -0600 From: Erich Dollansky To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Frank Shute Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:20:48 +0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.3-STABLE; KDE/4.7.4; amd64; ; ) References: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120428022326.GA71425@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20120428022326.GA71425@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201204281120.49089.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Cc: David Brodbeck Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 04:20:35 -0000 Hi, On Saturday 28 April 2012 09:23:26 Frank Shute wrote: > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 02:33:29PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: > > > > Reminds me of an episode of "The Office". sounds more like real life to me. > > The manager gets a pile of resumes/CVs and immediately bungs half of > them in the trash. > > His reasoning: he doesn't like employing "unlucky" people :) > we have been called once to assist a MNC you all know with a simple software problem problem. A guy from India was working on the problem since weeks, months or years without result. When I asked him for the sources, he showed me the executable. You think now that this was a misunderstanding. No, he thought that the executable is what is needed to debug the program. He could not show me the source code of the executable. I could not stop laughing what did not make the people very happy there. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 05:41:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C051065787 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:41:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D54048FC12 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:41:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-124-250.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.124.250]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91BDD1E1F2 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:41:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q3S5fIDi001925 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:41:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:41:18 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Message-Id: <20120428074118.298c2c04.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120427164652.4f021ab1@scorpio> References: <201204241833.q3OIXwTR013401@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120424190227.GA1773@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425053133.e920b091.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120425064507.GA4673@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425085555.36f91b3a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120426215256.GA30059@hemlock.hydra> <20120426184306.783f9b4b@scorpio> <20120427163224.GA29149@hemlock.hydra> <20120427135710.2f66d2ac@scorpio> <20120427195840.GA15455@hemlock.hydra> <20120427164652.4f021ab1@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:41:26 -0000 On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:46:52 -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:58:40 -0600 > Chad Perrin articulated: >=20 > >On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 01:57:10PM -0400, Jerry wrote: > >> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:32:24 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: > >> >On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 06:43:06PM -0400, Jerry wrote: > >> >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:52:56 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: > >> >> >On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 02:45:53PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: > >> >> >>=20 > >> >> >> Generic skills aren't recognized because they're hard to judge > >> >> >> and test for. People want quantifiable, objective things to > >> >> >> weed out applicants. This is also why credit scoring has > >> >> >> become so popular -- sure, someone's credit score may not tell > >> >> >> whether they'd be a good employee or not, but it's a > >> >> >> convenient, objective way to throw out a bunch of resumes. > >> >> > > >> >> >Indeed -- and the employer who bucks this trend does him/her > >> >> >self a huge service, because large numbers of very skilled > >> >> >and/or talented people are being rejected on entirely arbitrary > >> >> >criteria that have little or no correlation to their ability to > >> >> >do the job. People who use such critera are forcing themselves > >> >> >to compete with everyone else in the industry using the same > >> >> >criteria, leaving a glut of job candidates who would be great at > >> >> >the job waiting for someone else to give them a chance. > >> >>=20 > >> >> Wouldn't it be far easier for this "glut of job applicants" to > >> >> either become proficient in the skills stated in the job > >> >> description for which they are applying or do what everyone else > >> >> does; i.e. lie on their r=E9sum=E9. If the mountain will not come to > >> >> Mahomet, Mahomet must go to the mountain. > >> > > >> >1. Pretty much every employer has a slightly different list of > >> >keywords. I guess you think all these job candidates should learn > >> >every skill in the world. > >>=20 > >> No, I think they should learn the one(s) most sought after in their > >> chosen field. If 90% of the potential openings in a specific field > >> are requesting proficiency with MS Word, what do you think any > >> legitimate applicants should become proficient in? > > > >Right -- because all the keywords you need will always be Microsoft > >Word. > > > >Admit it: you're just making up half-baked excuses to disagree now. >=20 > If the requirement is for proficiency in MS Word, Excel or whatever and > you lack those skills then you are not qualified for the job. Period. There are two problems "hidden": 1. You typically cannot learn proprietary products for free. Of course there are books and online material to help you, but you cannot try the software. You have to buy it, and you have to buy the OS that supports it. There is no (legal) way for autodidacts to make theirselves familiar by "learning and doing". 2. There are many different versions, so when you encounter "Microsoft Word" as a required skill, you cannot be sure that the skill _you_ have will be the right one. You know that products like "Word" differ from version to version. And of course they highly differ from established and standardized ways of doing things, so your generic knowledge (e. g. acquired by "learning and doing" OpenOffice or StarOffice or Abiword) isn't fully portable simply because of the arbitraryness of how "Word" does things. But let's rest the "Word" case. There is other software much more expensive and far less present on home systems to "do and learn". Oracle databases, Enterprise Java Frameworks or SAP are just a few examples. There are _courses_ that you can attend in order to learn more. For example, such courses cost 2000-10,000 Euro here. This is nothing that "poor" people can afford, even though they are highly skilled "IT nerds". > If those skills are the ones most requested then the applicant should > learn them. It doesn't get any simpler than that. I fully agree with you here. If the employer is _precise_ on what he expects, you can "trim" your resume or your skill profile to make a good match. You can even acquire requested skills (if possible). However, at least on the german job market you won't find such situations. As I wrote in a previous message, externalized HR services do most of the pre-employment work, and they are not very specific in their application requirements they publish. "Programmer" and "Office" can mean anything. > If a job required > proficiency with 3+ years minimum experience in c++ and you only had > knowledge of Pascal, would you still believe you were qualified? Depends. If your intelligency is high enough, your ability to learn and to conclude is good, then maybe you have the chance to learn the required C++ skills that are _equivalent_ to 3+ years of experience. But that's only an assumption, and you will face the problem that you cannot "prove" it (by shiny paper with signature and rubber stamp). > >> >2. Lying is bad. Go fall in a hole, now. > >>=20 > >> Yes, but it is never-the-less the norm on way too many resumes. I > >> have read where it is estimated that 1 out of every 3 is either a > >> gross over statement of fact or just a complete fabrication. My own > >> (original) resume, written by a professional resume writer many > >> years ago, absolutely astounded me. I had no idea I was as > >> proficient and skilled in so many areas. As the writer explained, it > >> is not what you say but how you say it. Just because I once wrote a > >> two page article that got published in a cheap magazine does not > >> mean that I am an accomplished author with numerous credits to my > >> name -- or does it? > > > >No, it doesn't. Maybe "an accomplished author with one credit" to your > >name. Amusingly, that'll turn out to be a great way for employers to > >notice you're exaggerating with that "accopmlished author" bit, too. > >Only by lying ("numerous credits") can you allay suspicions for a > >moment in those credulous enough to not ask for samples (which > >absolutely does not make it okay). >=20 > Now you are being naive. There are numerous examples of people in both > corporate and government jobs that have made out right lies as to > their education, etcetera. Some of those frauds have gone undetected > for years. The majority of resumes for entry level jobs are rarely if > ever given more than a perfunctory look. Again, I fully agree with you. "Selling yourself" on the HR market includes the typical aspects of selling you'll find in consumer products. For example, in marketing... let's say a tablet, the manufacturer doesn't say you cannot remove the battery (which will be flat line after 1 year of use), and the device will be unsupported after 2 years of use; no, the manufacturer will only show positive aspects of the tablet: it's shiny, slim, lightweight, entertaining and so on. He will also exxagerate, e. g. it's the world's most popular, future-proof, revolutionary and so on. Doing something _comparable_ is fully valid in applications. Of course there's also fraud to be noticed, e. g. doctors who haven't studied medicine (happened in Germany), people who are dumb as bread and too stupid to hammer a nail into the wall, but being awarded "manager of the year" and applying for an important position. In the end, maybe they'll be successful in their positions, but in many cases (and I also wrote this before) you'll find people in workplaces they are _not remotely_ qualified for. Employers have recognized that. They've risen the barrier for entry. Even lower-end jobs now require higher levels of education. For example, I've recently encountered a job offer for a thing called "virtualization administrator (system administrator)" which turned out to be phone 1st level support. The requirement however was: university degree or professional education with experience. Interesting for something that even Timmy Dumbass could do: Read questions from a flowchart and mark the YES/NO answers before transfering the call to 2nd level. Of couse I don't have to tell you that this particular job won't be paid as other jobs typically done by people successfully leaving a university. This particular job was underpaid. > The bottom line is if you want a job, you either learn or acquire the > criteria required for the job, or find a way to BS your way into it > and hope you can pull it off. No legitimate employer is going to change > his criteria to accommodate your skills. Employers often have strange expectations. I also wrote that some of them, because a "shortage of skilled programmers", suddenly want the "geek" (who trained himself lots of programming languages and development methods in his free time), but they want him to have certificates and university degrees. Reality shows that the _really_, I mean ***REALLY*** good programmers often don't have any degrees at all, sometimes even no professional education! Those promising candidates drop out at the beginning if they don't "improve" their CV or resume. It's the only chance they can turn their knowledge and experience into money (by being employed by a boss who _recognizes_ what he can get). Needless to say that such skills aren't taught in schools, universities, professional education and IT courses. You can only teach them to yourself. --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 05:42:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF2B1065676 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:42:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5120A8FC16 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:42:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3S5gBtr008857; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:42:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q3S5gAID008854; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:42:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:42:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Alejandro Imass In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:42:11 +0200 (CEST) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: UFS Crash and directories now missing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:42:13 -0000 > something. I unmounted the drive and ran fsck and reported no > problems. df shows the data being use so where is the data?? your data is here as df shown usage and fsck see no errors. most probably root directory of that volume got corrupted and subdirs were found and put in lost+found From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 05:43:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90200106566B for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:43:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F168C8FC20 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:43:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3S5hceH008878; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:43:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q3S5hbhl008875; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:43:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:43:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Alejandro Imass In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:43:38 +0200 (CEST) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: UFS Crash and directories now missing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:43:40 -0000 > > All the jails wound up in the /usr/local/etc/apache22 of the only > surviving jail which is the http proxy to all the other jails. > > Right before the server crashed I noticed MySQL at 100% o several CPUs > and the server was on it's knees, so I'm wondering.... was this an > attack? is it possible that Apache or MySQL moved the files?? > > I mean the jails are there, I'm even backing them up right now.... but > how did these directories move here????? > > Anybody has ANY logical explanation??? > 99% - someone did moved them. 1% - hardware problem possibly memory. without this there is no way for directory to be "accidentally" moved From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 05:49:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BA05106564A for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:49:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2897B8FC0A for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:49:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-124-250.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.124.250]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D92C1D8EE; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:49:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q3S5nRBR001952; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:49:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:49:26 +0200 From: Polytropon To: dhillon sandeep Message-Id: <20120428074926.25adc998.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1335564088.81017.YahooMailNeo@web29703.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <1335564088.81017.YahooMailNeo@web29703.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: need help on installing bsd in virtual box X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:49:28 -0000 On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:01:28 +0100 (BST), dhillon sandeep wrote: > Hi, > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 I am struggling in installing the bsd in virtualbox > i am totally new to unix, but have previously installed > Ubuntu linux in my virtual box, i have dounloaded both the > images bootonly and release iso, after creating the new > virtual machine and starting it for first time and by > selecting the iso image nothing is happening or getting > installed in the virtual machine. I downloaded the iso > images from your BSD website. Please let me know what i > am doing wrong or what do i need to do to install bsd. As you have experiences with Ubuntu, maybe you're interested in giving VirtualBSD a try? It's a preinstalled and preconfigured image containing a FreeBSD installation. You can "play" it with Virtualbox. http://www.virtualbsd.info/ You can find instructions and screenshots on that web page. Regarding the installation of a "normal" FreeBSD OS, refer to the handbook with explains the basic steps of installation and configuration. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/index.html You need to properly configure your virtual environment and pay attention to 32/64 bit when doing so. The "bootonly" image is typically used to install the system via network, there are no installation datasets on that media. The CD1 and DVD1 media images will be the ones used in typical installations. --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 06:01:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7261106566C for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:01:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A768FC0C for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:01:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-124-250.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.124.250]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA9C1E427 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:01:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q3S61Dpn001996 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:01:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:01:13 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Message-Id: <20120428080113.bdfe54f4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120428003613.GC22822@hemlock.hydra> References: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <201204241833.q3OIXwTR013401@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120424190227.GA1773@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425053133.e920b091.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120425064507.GA4673@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425085555.36f91b3a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120426215256.GA30059@hemlock.hydra> <20120427180051.4260a9f5@scorpio> <20120428003613.GC22822@hemlock.hydra> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:01:14 -0000 On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:36:13 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 06:00:51PM -0400, Jerry wrote: > > On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:33:29 -0700 David Brodbeck articulated: > > > > > >Again, this is one of the reasons credit scoring is becoming so > > >popular -- it's an almost automatic way to narrow down the pile. > > >Another method in common use right now is to throw out applications > > >from anyone who's currently unemployed, and only look at ones who > > >already have a position and are looking to change jobs. > > > > I have been told by several people in HR that the trend to give > > preference to those all ready working as opposed to the unemployed is > > based on the philosophy that if no one else will hire them, then why > > should we. While we could argue whether that logic is flawed, it is > > never-the-less presently in use. However, it doesn't really pertain to > > entry level openings. With the glut of individuals entering the job > > market, for an applicant to not be proficient in the skills being > > advertised for by the prospective employer is just a waste of time. If > > the employer is looking for skill "A" and "B", crying to him/her that > > you have skill "C" is just a waste of both your times. > > It *does* pertain to "entry level" positions, because (from what I have > seen) most "entry level" positions come with an experience requirement of > at least two years. But then this would invalidate "ENTRY level". How exactly is an applicant supposed to get a job from that "entry level" pool when he doesn't have previous experience because he simply wants to ENTER that field of profession? > You speak as though you think they're correctly identifying the skills > they actually need from their employees. A big part of this entire > discussion has been about the fact that many "responsible" parties in the > hiring process are utterly without capacity for correctly identifying the > skills they actually need to optimally fill the open positions. Correct, at least that's my experience. To give you _few_ examples which are more the norm than exceptions: "good MS standart knowledge" (Yavoll mein Hare Heiny Standart-Leader von Sowercrowd!) "programming knowledge in established programming languages, e. g. OS2" (cc hello.os2, and it's OS/2 with slash) "modern Microsoft operating systems (Windows 98 and XP)" (yes, _very_ modern and current; hey, it's more than 10 years old!) "extended basic knowledge" (so what, basic or extended?) "autonomous team-oriented working" (maybe as a one man team!) It's "funny" when you encounter job offers by recruiters and HR services who _fail_ to properly spell our native language, but think they are in a positition to place _you_ (as a professional) into a good job! Okay, it's NOT funny. It's also not funny if you have to explain to such a "senior consultant permanent placement" how to open a PDF file containing your application documents, and it's even worse when they try to trick you to do their work, e. g. enter all your data again into their (!) HR database. As I said, the problem of the unclear expression _what_ skills actually are needed can make it hard to properly apply for a job. This problem isn't only present for written application, it's also there if you get invited to an interview and the guy across the table is simply asking the wrong questions, or unable to understand your answers. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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LYNXIMGMAP:file://localhost/tmp/tmpD_YBq4.html#cow 4. mailto:webmaster@scbt.com 5. http://www.scbt.com/email_bulletin.php?eid=freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 06:09:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545911065672 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:09:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 172678FC1B for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so2538116iah.13 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:09:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=us6RWdGvW+T74V3z14tq5otawM3NrYVEEzQbar7VEJY=; b=RELXlQOZc7/YfrLTAQmDp5x6toWakyWwX48AZLjSntn54PJsZ0p9okFZ0iSUY6N1Ol vvcqcZxiO4X6Vvn0eQAq14kPR/LxNvUde8v5SvlMiyR2jNzfJz9vTQDTA6e2n69qfw6J X7C++pzA+hWaJYqA1obyvsMWkZEbRpyQbl1hIKHxFpZq3ixFeXkhkJD061VnFnBW5Uzv r5nD7NHsM19P+rBCEeJ7KkIGoxADJG4avS4u777qdB1EEOw2a/6XNnBA+k9KmVGYMOEy /33ksCmncXFN3T/51gVZSyYoIb48GJdgBDeUk5HahxZC61esWp/rxVjkFb2sBeGtEgGS DgDQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.89.200 with SMTP id bq8mr4930534igb.45.1335593383678; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.74.138 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:09:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 02:09:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk+TjjXojBz189LsAqJS5TNltwZGRec3qjfhLTCsELY5o2pQwOk6jkpuLyKduDEZoODyMjI Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: UFS Crash and directories now missing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:09:44 -0000 On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 1:43 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> All the jails wound up in the /usr/local/etc/apache22 of the only >> surviving jail which is the http proxy to all the other jails. >> >> Right before the server crashed I noticed MySQL at 100% o several CPUs >> and the server was on it's knees, so I'm wondering.... was this an >> attack? is it possible that Apache or MySQL moved the files?? >> >> I mean the jails are there, I'm even backing them up right now.... but >> how did these directories move here????? >> >> Anybody has ANY logical explanation??? >> > 99% - someone did moved them. > 1% - hardware problem possibly memory. without this there is no way for > directory to be "accidentally" moved I somewhat agree, but it wasn't a person. I am the only administrator, the only one with root access. The jails were effectively moved to the /usr/local/etc/apache22 of the single that survived at the top level. I'm thinking something between mount, EzJail, the journal and the way MySQL created a great deal of head contention, so something must have gotten corrupted at the directory level like you state, but the strange part is no _data_ corruption as such, because I was able to physically archive the jails, move them to the correct directory and archived them all with ezjail-admin to a different disk. I was thinking of formatting the jails drive, but after all this disk activity and no errors, and everything booted up correctly, I am not so sure now that it's needed it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 07:22:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD790106566B for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:22:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175098FC08 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:22:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3S7MCOF009377; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:22:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q3S7MBhK009374; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:22:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:22:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Alejandro Imass In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:22:12 +0200 (CEST) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: UFS Crash and directories now missing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:22:14 -0000 > I somewhat agree, but it wasn't a person. I am the only administrator, > the only one with root access. The jails were effectively moved to the > /usr/local/etc/apache22 of the single that survived at the top level. > I'm thinking something between mount, EzJail, the journal and the way > MySQL created a great deal of head contention, so something must have > gotten corrupted at the directory level like you state, but the > strange part is no _data_ corruption as such, because I was able to > physically archive the jails, move them to the correct directory and no matter what you do FreeBSD DOES NOT ramdomly move directories. if you are sure you didn't move it yourself then it must be machine hardware problem but still unlikely. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 07:22:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665EB106564A for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:22:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C4F8FC12 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:22:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3S7MdbZ009383; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:22:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q3S7MdND009380; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:22:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:22:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Frank Staals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:22:40 +0200 (CEST) Cc: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: Synchronising jails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:22:42 -0000 /usr/ports/net/rsync On Fri, 27 Apr 2012, Frank Staals wrote: > > Hey Everyone, > > I'm looking for a way to synchronise two jails. More specifically, I > would like to keep/maintain an exact copy of a given jail. As an > example: Suppose I build a jail A on some system (in my particular case > build with ezjail) , and I copy the jail > into jail B on some other system (using tar, as is mentioned > here: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=17813). Now stuff > happens in Jail A, e.g. files change, new stuff is installed etc. I > would like to propagate these changes to jail B, but since the transfer > is over WAN I would like not to have to copy the entire jail again, just > the stuff that has changed since the last backup. It is safe to assume > nothing in Jail B changes: I basically want to maintain the exact copy > so if something would happen to the system running Jail A I can > immediately switch to jail B without much hassle. > > Normally I would say this a perfect use case for rsync. But as the > aforementioned thread mentions ``scp or similar wont work to copy a > jail'', and I consider rsync similar to scp, I am under the impression > that rsync would not be usable in this situation. Can anyone shed some > light on this, or suggest an alternative to synchronise the jails? > > > Regards, > > -- > > - Frank > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 07:23:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C2E1065670 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:23:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807118FC08 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:23:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3S7Nk0x009394; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:23:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q3S7NkcC009391; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:23:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:23:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: jb In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:23:47 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD vice OS X memory management X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:23:49 -0000 > does OS X kernel share any code with FreeBSD kernel's memory management > subsystem ? IMHO no. OSX is somehow-microkernel based, they did take things from FreeBSD but not this IMHO. anyway - who cares > > Something is deeply broken in OS X memory management > http://workstuff.tumblr.com/post/20464780085/something-is-deeply-broken-in-os-x- > memory-management > > One of the problems that caught my eyes was inactive memory reclamation. > I remember some time ago there was a thread here with similar topic. > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2012-March/239121.html > > jb > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 07:25:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E271065676 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:25:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E758FC12 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:25:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3S7Ox6q009406; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:24:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q3S7Oxnh009403; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:24:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:24:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chuck Swiger In-Reply-To: <2FCC4ECF-DAC2-4701-B392-B0415528A4C7@mac.com> Message-ID: References: <2FCC4ECF-DAC2-4701-B392-B0415528A4C7@mac.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:24:59 +0200 (CEST) Cc: jb , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD vice OS X memory management X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:25:01 -0000 most importantly networking but certainly not memory subsystem. On Wed, 25 Apr 2012, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:31 AM, jb wrote: >> does OS X kernel share any code with FreeBSD kernel's memory management subsystem ? > > The simple answer is no. A more complex answer: > > % grep -ri freebsd xnu-1699.24.23 | wc -l > 520 > > % grep -ril freebsd xnu-1699.24.23 | sort | uniq > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 07:26:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81311065670 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:26:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1728F8FC1C for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:26:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3S7QZso009414; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:26:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q3S7QZF3009411; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:26:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:26:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: jb In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <2FCC4ECF-DAC2-4701-B392-B0415528A4C7@mac.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:26:35 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD vice OS X memory management X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:26:37 -0000 > > "2) Inactive memory (which is memory that has been recently used but is no > longer) is supposed to be seamlessly reclaimed automatically by the OS when > needed for new programs. In practice, I?ve found that this isn?t the case, and > my system slows to a crawl and starts paging out to disk when free memory drops > to zero, even as half of the available RAM (which is a lot) is marked as > inactive. ..." > > Well, this is not a case of a "BSD is dying" troll (you can safely ignore > those). > yes it is, just search a bit to know what "inactive" memory in FreeBSD is. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 07:28:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075321065674 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:28:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD5D8FC1C for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:28:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3S7SMgd009427; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:28:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q3S7SMYb009424; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:28:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:28:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Michael Powell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <2FCC4ECF-DAC2-4701-B392-B0415528A4C7@mac.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:28:23 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD vice OS X memory management X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:28:25 -0000 > If you really are having a problem with FreeBSD you are going to have to do > a lot better than this in terms of providing some data points which define > the problem. I am in agreement with Adam here: either you can work the > problem or you can troll. I don't see any indication yet of any real problem > analysis, only a wild mix of stuff non-related to FreeBSD sprinkled with some > magic 'memory management' dust. > The fact that FreeBSD DOES NOT page excessively on the same workload relative to other OS (linux, netbsd) is one of most important thing i decided to use it. If his system is heavily paging then simply he have too large working set. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 07:29:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E23106566B for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:29:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1844F8FC08 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:29:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3S7TVGH009438; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:29:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q3S7TVAp009435; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:29:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:29:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: RW In-Reply-To: <20120426190304.0ec3330f@gumby.homeunix.com> Message-ID: References: <2FCC4ECF-DAC2-4701-B392-B0415528A4C7@mac.com> <20120426190304.0ec3330f@gumby.homeunix.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:29:31 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD vice OS X memory management X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:29:33 -0000 > is relatively new. My guess is that if there is a problem it's ZFS > specific. If it were a more general problem I think we'd see a lot more > complaints, whereas ZFS already has a reputation for needing lots of > memory. you may precisely set up a limits of memory that ZFS would use at most. or just don't use it which i do. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 08:51:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8061065670 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:51:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA2A8FC0C for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SO3Mj-0008DX-Mz for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:50:53 +0200 Received: from np-19-75.prenet.pl ([np-19-75.prenet.pl]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:50:53 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by np-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:50:53 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <2FCC4ECF-DAC2-4701-B392-B0415528A4C7@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/10.0.2) Subject: Re: FreeBSD vice OS X memory management X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:51:02 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> writes: > > > > > "2) Inactive memory (which is memory that has been recently used but is no > > longer) is supposed to be seamlessly reclaimed automatically by the OS when > > needed for new programs. In practice, I?ve found that this isn?t the case, > > and > > my system slows to a crawl and starts paging out to disk when free memory > > drops > > to zero, even as half of the available RAM (which is a lot) is marked as > > inactive. ..." > > > > Well, this is not a case of a "BSD is dying" troll (you can safely ignore > > those). > > > yes it is, just search a bit to know what "inactive" memory in FreeBSD is. His description (the quoted text) is at least of intuitive nature, and in fact in may be correct as it referrs to OS X MM subsys, which may be based on least-recently used pageout algorithm (as FreeBSD originally used to be too). jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 08:56:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43B0106566B for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:56:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B8858FC0C for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:56:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SO3Rr-0004C8-Gp for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:56:11 +0200 Received: from np-19-75.prenet.pl ([np-19-75.prenet.pl]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:56:11 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by np-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:56:11 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:55:57 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/10.0.2) Subject: Re: FreeBSD vice OS X memory management X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:56:14 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> writes: > > > does OS X kernel share any code with FreeBSD kernel's memory management > > subsystem ? > > IMHO no. OSX is somehow-microkernel based, they did take things from > FreeBSD but not this IMHO. > > anyway - who cares > Well, I quoted the source in my 2nd post in this thread. But I will repeat it once again: "I'm quite sure that the memory manager of OSX wasn't derived from BSD, but from Mach. Actually, FreeBSD has adapted that memory manager, so it's rather the other way around...." If so, both OS X and FreeBSD share the same MM subsys base. jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 11:36:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED19106564A for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:36:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3EC08FC0A for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:36:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl9 with SMTP id l9so1022058yen.13 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 04:36:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:x-mailer:face:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=VgZgRAsGp3srYKdZVEmtGY/HAq03f7ReXvS58eF+PDA=; b=oSP2AUL9QqJTG0FaxPVSR4yczQ5eSLw6ka26ylNmWufb5AZY1oW4fyG2dg7RYZHyMZ T0Bn/PQShlgjp/Vyo9zWarXD9EH6wPWJYZut8jd9VBvwgI+InC0oI3DUncfo5z9AD+CQ iTv9IjKTfsUXNHDpUbAG+cza3+6eEuHDmLlfY= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:x-mailer:face:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=VgZgRAsGp3srYKdZVEmtGY/HAq03f7ReXvS58eF+PDA=; b=d8dKckniG9VdivhfgI+XN6BuQs73qlChTrFAdrsEWOcz+PtI1Ovlea3iIOQ06IGi7T 9FljG/IXGHK+2+IKZA3R5YJBX/xIlnaVMi2prwz/Q8HCgjGkTP/9j/LVtSHxU3XSXSDT Q+Ri/LFIFfbogRMZcuv+5pttzCs6rSW2PWZY/Un+050379pvadx9geNShYuEnAupP7D9 qLS8f8jROhMfnt1WrjgQ4QsgzUAxhX2KuoJAOh6tTa6i47ulMfKDPFdNdcXr86S7weAD YV+jbfxRpN8c36EE5VX8yQnhYpXvtCZ/ZWNJt3Iuajon6tpEhheMXNdR0jYjNCcLJhzD M6ZA== Received: by 10.236.181.133 with SMTP id l5mr10239342yhm.71.1335612967689; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 04:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p3sm9163658and.4.2012.04.28.04.36.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 28 Apr 2012 04:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3Vfqhh3Cyvz2CG5r for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:36:03 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120428073603.7767688d@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120428074118.298c2c04.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <201204241833.q3OIXwTR013401@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120424190227.GA1773@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425053133.e920b091.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120425064507.GA4673@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425085555.36f91b3a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120426215256.GA30059@hemlock.hydra> <20120426184306.783f9b4b@scorpio> <20120427163224.GA29149@hemlock.hydra> <20120427135710.2f66d2ac@scorpio> <20120427195840.GA15455@hemlock.hydra> <20120427164652.4f021ab1@scorpio> <20120428074118.298c2c04.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQldtlDwXg40PrXgTkG2Q8EQyXr60/KsKtDWGBIHg6pdmd8V7DGDhFrtLUT/NoUxdXMDbuzp Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:36:09 -0000 On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:41:18 +0200 Polytropon articulated: >On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:46:52 -0400, Jerry wrote: >> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:58:40 -0600 >> Chad Perrin articulated: >> >> >On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 01:57:10PM -0400, Jerry wrote: >> >> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:32:24 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: >> >> >On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 06:43:06PM -0400, Jerry wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:52:56 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: >> >> >> >On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 02:45:53PM -0700, David Brodbeck >> >> >> >wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Generic skills aren't recognized because they're hard to >> >> >> >> judge and test for. People want quantifiable, objective >> >> >> >> things to weed out applicants. This is also why credit >> >> >> >> scoring has become so popular -- sure, someone's credit >> >> >> >> score may not tell whether they'd be a good employee or >> >> >> >> not, but it's a convenient, objective way to throw out a >> >> >> >> bunch of resumes. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Indeed -- and the employer who bucks this trend does him/her >> >> >> >self a huge service, because large numbers of very skilled >> >> >> >and/or talented people are being rejected on entirely >> >> >> >arbitrary criteria that have little or no correlation to >> >> >> >their ability to do the job. People who use such critera are >> >> >> >forcing themselves to compete with everyone else in the >> >> >> >industry using the same criteria, leaving a glut of job >> >> >> >candidates who would be great at the job waiting for someone >> >> >> >else to give them a chance. >> >> >> >> >> >> Wouldn't it be far easier for this "glut of job applicants" to >> >> >> either become proficient in the skills stated in the job >> >> >> description for which they are applying or do what everyone >> >> >> else does; i.e. lie on their résumé. If the mountain will not >> >> >> come to Mahomet, Mahomet must go to the mountain. >> >> > >> >> >1. Pretty much every employer has a slightly different list of >> >> >keywords. I guess you think all these job candidates should learn >> >> >every skill in the world. >> >> >> >> No, I think they should learn the one(s) most sought after in >> >> their chosen field. If 90% of the potential openings in a >> >> specific field are requesting proficiency with MS Word, what do >> >> you think any legitimate applicants should become proficient in? >> > >> >Right -- because all the keywords you need will always be Microsoft >> >Word. >> > >> >Admit it: you're just making up half-baked excuses to disagree now. >> >> If the requirement is for proficiency in MS Word, Excel or whatever >> and you lack those skills then you are not qualified for the job. >> Period. > >There are two problems "hidden": > >1. You typically cannot learn proprietary products for free. >Of course there are books and online material to help you, but >you cannot try the software. You have to buy it, and you have >to buy the OS that supports it. There is no (legal) way for >autodidacts to make theirselves familiar by "learning and doing". Irrelevant. You cannot learn to be a doctor, lawyer, physicist, etcetera sans an education. Unless you have managed to acquire a "free ride", i.e. you are getting the education on someone elses dime, you will need to pay. Quite frankly Poly, I would have expected a better argument from you than that. It was really quite bogus. >2. There are many different versions, so when you encounter >"Microsoft Word" as a required skill, you cannot be sure that >the skill _you_ have will be the right one. You know that >products like "Word" differ from version to version. And of >course they highly differ from established and standardized >ways of doing things, so your generic knowledge (e. g. acquired >by "learning and doing" OpenOffice or StarOffice or Abiword) >isn't fully portable simply because of the arbitraryness of how >"Word" does things. "arbitraryness" [sic} is one way of describing it. Since MS Office is the de facto standard it can be stated that the other entries in the word processing field are guilty of arbitrariness in their approach to the matter. For the record, would you please point me to the RFC that gives the requirements for a word processor. I must have missed it somewhere. By the way, have you noticed that StarOffice, OpenOffice nor Abiword all work exactly the same either? Are they guilty of arbitrariness? Come to think about it, FreeBSD does not work the same as Ubuntu or linux. In fact, none of them work exactly the same. Quick Poly, call the "Arbitrariness Police?. This must be nipped in the bud immediately. >But let's rest the "Word" case. There is other software much more >expensive and far less present on home systems to "do and learn". >Oracle databases, Enterprise Java Frameworks or SAP are just a few >examples. There are _courses_ that you can attend in order to learn >more. For example, such courses cost 2000-10,000 Euro here. This >is nothing that "poor" people can afford, even though they are >highly skilled "IT nerds". For the most part, I fully concur with you. Several years ago my wife was required to take a course in Microsoft Office Access in order to get a promotion in her job. The course only cost $49 and was given over, if I remember correctly, four or six nights over a two week period. A very simple thing to accomplish. Most software courses that I have seen are usually given at community colleges and are very reasonably priced. I have know many individuals who have started learning c++ programming at classes similar to this, although the course is considerably longer and usually runs between $300 and $500. However, since these courses are typically given at night and many of them allow the applicant to schedule the classes to meet his/her schedule making them extremely convenient. >> If those skills are the ones most requested then the applicant should >> learn them. It doesn't get any simpler than that. > >I fully agree with you here. If the employer is _precise_ on what >he expects, you can "trim" your resume or your skill profile to >make a good match. You can even acquire requested skills (if >possible). However, at least on the german job market you won't >find such situations. As I wrote in a previous message, externalized >HR services do most of the pre-employment work, and they are not >very specific in their application requirements they publish. >"Programmer" and "Office" can mean anything. Absolutely, except I am not sure about "trimming". Unless the entry was counter to the job requirements, I would leave it in. The "shock & awe" concept of feeding the interviewer more data than they will have time to digest can work to your advantage. >> If a job required >> proficiency with 3+ years minimum experience in c++ and you only had >> knowledge of Pascal, would you still believe you were qualified? > >Depends. If your intelligency is high enough, your ability to >learn and to conclude is good, then maybe you have the chance >to learn the required C++ skills that are _equivalent_ to 3+ >years of experience. But that's only an assumption, and you will >face the problem that you cannot "prove" it (by shiny paper >with signature and rubber stamp). Honestly Poly, you lost me there. It is probably a language problem. >> >> >2. Lying is bad. Go fall in a hole, now. >> >> >> >> Yes, but it is never-the-less the norm on way too many resumes. I >> >> have read where it is estimated that 1 out of every 3 is either a >> >> gross over statement of fact or just a complete fabrication. My >> >> own (original) resume, written by a professional resume writer >> >> many years ago, absolutely astounded me. I had no idea I was as >> >> proficient and skilled in so many areas. As the writer explained, >> >> it is not what you say but how you say it. Just because I once >> >> wrote a two page article that got published in a cheap magazine >> >> does not mean that I am an accomplished author with numerous >> >> credits to my name -- or does it? >> > >> >No, it doesn't. Maybe "an accomplished author with one credit" to >> >your name. Amusingly, that'll turn out to be a great way for >> >employers to notice you're exaggerating with that "accopmlished >> >author" bit, too. Only by lying ("numerous credits") can you allay >> >suspicions for a moment in those credulous enough to not ask for >> >samples (which absolutely does not make it okay). >> >> Now you are being naive. There are numerous examples of people in >> both corporate and government jobs that have made out right lies as >> to their education, etcetera. Some of those frauds have gone >> undetected for years. The majority of resumes for entry level jobs >> are rarely if ever given more than a perfunctory look. > >Again, I fully agree with you. "Selling yourself" on the HR market >includes the typical aspects of selling you'll find in consumer >products. For example, in marketing... let's say a tablet, the >manufacturer doesn't say you cannot remove the battery (which will >be flat line after 1 year of use), and the device will be unsupported >after 2 years of use; no, the manufacturer will only show positive >aspects of the tablet: it's shiny, slim, lightweight, entertaining >and so on. He will also exxagerate, e. g. it's the world's most >popular, future-proof, revolutionary and so on. "Selling Yourself" is always important, as you stated. You only get one chance to make a good first impression. >Doing something _comparable_ is fully valid in applications. Of >course there's also fraud to be noticed, e. g. doctors who haven't >studied medicine (happened in Germany), people who are dumb as >bread and too stupid to hammer a nail into the wall, but being >awarded "manager of the year" and applying for an important >position. In the end, maybe they'll be successful in their >positions, but in many cases (and I also wrote this before) >you'll find people in workplaces they are _not remotely_ >qualified for. It happens all the time. Forged documentation, especially in the medical profession in poorer areas is becoming a serious matter. A resume is really nothing more than a letter of introduction in many ways now. There is no way to ascertain the validity of the document's contents without physically checking each entry. Due to the number of applicants, and in some cases privacy laws, that is just not going to happen on a very large scale. >Employers have recognized that. They've risen the barrier for >entry. Even lower-end jobs now require higher levels of education. >For example, I've recently encountered a job offer for a thing >called "virtualization administrator (system administrator)" >which turned out to be phone 1st level support. The requirement >however was: university degree or professional education with >experience. Interesting for something that even Timmy Dumbass >could do: Read questions from a flowchart and mark the YES/NO >answers before transfering the call to 2nd level. Of couse I >don't have to tell you that this particular job won't be paid >as other jobs typically done by people successfully leaving a >university. This particular job was underpaid. A sanitation worker in NY City now requires a college degree. That requirement can be waived however. It is used to help weed out the undesirables -- drug addicts, etcetera. >> The bottom line is if you want a job, you either learn or acquire the >> criteria required for the job, or find a way to BS your way into it >> and hope you can pull it off. No legitimate employer is going to >> change his criteria to accommodate your skills. > >Employers often have strange expectations. I also wrote that >some of them, because a "shortage of skilled programmers", >suddenly want the "geek" (who trained himself lots of programming >languages and development methods in his free time), but they >want him to have certificates and university degrees. Reality >shows that the _really_, I mean ***REALLY*** good programmers >often don't have any degrees at all, sometimes even no professional >education! Those promising candidates drop out at the beginning if >they don't "improve" their CV or resume. It's the only chance they >can turn their knowledge and experience into money (by being >employed by a boss who _recognizes_ what he can get). Needless >to say that such skills aren't taught in schools, universities, >professional education and IT courses. You can only teach them >to yourself. True, Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard. Obviously, that never slowed him down. Interestingly enough, Microsoft requires applicants to have a degree(s) for it's various openings. In any case, to quote you, a "***REALLY***" good programmer would have job experience. Without a degree and sans job experience, I would seriously question his qualifications. Lets look at it from this point of view. If I advertise for a job opening, lets call it "XYZ", and you apply for said job, sans any degree(s), certificates of certification or job experience in said field, what, and please be honest now, do you think the odds of you getting hired are? Very few companies are doing the OJT (On Job Training) thing these days, although the associates or candidates programs are alive and well. Unfortunately, many people can not work sans pay for months or longer hoping to land the job opening. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ As Zeus said to Narcissus, "Watch yourself." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 13:15:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8F4106566C for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:15:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F62C8FC0C for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:15:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so2967331iah.13 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:15:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=PvJ4ijmM4Nf3TkTW1J6bDVS0RC9E84dLcCfGjhyb+Bc=; b=DpGIzOB5wP7+nK81n6D/15z5jbKJ+i6wsr3Myieb+2PU5Bj3f+QQ1glJbBOhaIonGH 3yDFBo7SunnnudILr3u69zBVpZ+517fouby9sfbi5D4plAHR87nH123iCDjzQoLh3piG wBj0DE47e2/gO4swnhkESLnLE5luOH/dJcdkV4uzRTRtaVR/2ioJ5mVlilxaHKzkymOa hLUtEaaJP0J4p9lyV/bauwz9WJPc5sU5uK5phaERy/yFkFaukjguFLCFeyGIdl4qdGnd qzTeymhacfPpKB53FqNpIy5bKvY+2AobBkaNjP7sPIk9IbNMQzNJwm7WJz0LuMwldMcs aklg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.149.129 with SMTP id ua1mr5700522igb.43.1335618926023; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.74.138 with HTTP; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:15:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:15:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnYSQQ1NG3nL3Miow3T6HBTQuSdD0bDr4MdSJbvkxNLHQ2H/YYsqkaRDE9RVh4hADl5gML8 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: UFS Crash and directories now missing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:15:32 -0000 On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:22 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> I somewhat agree, but it wasn't a person. I am the only administrator, >> the only one with root access. The jails were effectively moved to the >> /usr/local/etc/apache22 of the single that survived at the top level. >> I'm thinking something between mount, EzJail, the journal and the way >> MySQL created a great deal of head contention, so something must have >> gotten corrupted at the directory level like you state, but the >> strange part is no _data_ corruption as such, because I was able to >> physically archive the jails, move them to the correct directory and > > > no matter what you do FreeBSD DOES NOT ramdomly move directories. if you are > sure you didn't move it yourself then it must be machine hardware problem > but still unlikely. After a little more research, ___it it NOT unlikely at all___ that under high distress and a hard boot, UFS could have somehow corrupted the directory structure, whilst maintaining the data intact. From what I've learned so far, UFS is actually divided into 2 layers: one that controls the directory structure and metadata and a lower layer containing the data, so the directories being screwed up and the data intact it is actually quite possible. What I'm trying to do is figure out is how it happened, and try prevent it from happening again, so instead of dismissing it as impossibility, I think we all should spend a little time figuring out how these things can happen and determine how it can be prevented or reduced. "Should you find your neighbor's beard catch fire, it's wise to soak one's own" -- Alejandro From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 15:39:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5813106566C for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:39:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51DDE8FC15 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id q3SFdtir061045; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:39:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:39:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201204281539.q3SFdtir061045@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: aimass@yabarana.com, wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl In-Reply-To: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UFS Crash and directories now missing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:39:18 -0000 Alejandro Imass wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:22 AM, Wojciech Puchar > wrote: > >> I somewhat agree, but it wasn't a person. I am the only administrator, > >> the only one with root access. The jails were effectively moved to the > >> /usr/local/etc/apache22 of the single that survived at the top level. > >> I'm thinking something between mount, EzJail, the journal and the way > >> MySQL created a great deal of head contention, so something must have > >> gotten corrupted at the directory level like you state, but the > >> strange part is no _data_ corruption as such, because I was able to > >> physically archive the jails, move them to the correct directory and > > > > > > no matter what you do FreeBSD DOES NOT ramdomly move directories. if you are > > sure you didn't move it yourself then it must be machine hardware problem > > but still unlikely. > > After a little more research, ___it it NOT unlikely at all___ that > under high distress and a hard boot, UFS could have somehow corrupted > the directory structure, whilst maintaining the data intact. This is techically accurate, *BUT* the specifics of the quote "corruption" unquote in the case under discussion make it *EXTREMELY* unlikely that this is what happened. 99.99+++% of all UFS filesystem "corruption' issues are the result of a system crash _between_ the time cached 'meta-data' is updated in memory and that data is flushed to disk (a deferred write). The second most common (and vanishingly rare) failure mode is a powerfail _as_ a sector of disk is being written -- resulting in 'garbage data' being written to disk. The next possibility is 'cosmic rays'. If running on 'cheap' hardware (i.e., without 'ECC' memory), this can cause a *SINGLE-BIT* error in data being output. The fact that the 'corrupted' filesystem passed fsck -without- any reported errors shows that everything in the filesystem meta-data was consistent Given *that*, there are precisely *TWO* ways that the 'results' that have been reported could have happened. 1) "Something" did a mv(2) of the various jail directories 'from' their original location to the 'apache' diretory. This involves simply *copying* the diretory entry from the jail's 'parent directory' to the apache directory, and then marking the entry in the original parent as 'unused'. Nothing other than the directory whre the jail 'used to live', and the directory 'where it was found' are touched. This occured _through_ the system 'mv' function, so all the normal 'housekeeping' was done properly. 2) it was -not- done though mv(2) -- but that requires that a whole *series* of "corruptions" of the filesystem, _ALL_ of which had to occur in 'exactly' the right way. They are: 1) The -size- (filesystem metadata) of the orignal parent directory had to be changed to reflect the smaller size. 2) the 'indirect block' info for the original parent directory had to be changed to reflect the absense of the block(s) that are no longer part of that file. 3) the _size_ of the Apache directory had to be increased to reflect the additional block(s) that are now part o that directory. 4) the 'indirect block' info for the apache directory has to be changed to reflect the presense of the new block(s) that are now part of that file. This requires multiple -hundreds- of bits 'in error', in a minimum of FOUR separate disk locations. A -single- failure simply *CANNOT* cause all of this. The probability of a random single-bit error in a gigabyte of RAM is on the order of one such occurance in six months. The odds of having multiple *simultaneous* errors is the probability of a single-bit error raised to the power of the number of bits in error. e.g. the probability of a simultaneous 10-bit radom error is roughly 1 in 30 million years. The odds of it being a -specific- ten bits out of that gigabyte is preposterously small. The odds of the required specific _multiple-hundreds_ of bits in error occuringis (conservatively) 1 in (30 million years)**50 * ((2**30)!) / ((2^9)!) The first factor, alone, is over 7.1E373 years. I think it is safe to conclude that the probabilities -greatly- favor alternative #1. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 16:03:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E84106564A for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:03:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BC88FC0A for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-124-250.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.124.250]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97CD61E9A7 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 17:58:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q3SFwWMC001908 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 17:58:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 17:58:32 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20120428175832.090c92e1.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120428073603.7767688d@scorpio> References: <201204241833.q3OIXwTR013401@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120424190227.GA1773@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425053133.e920b091.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120425064507.GA4673@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20120425085555.36f91b3a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120426215256.GA30059@hemlock.hydra> <20120426184306.783f9b4b@scorpio> <20120427163224.GA29149@hemlock.hydra> <20120427135710.2f66d2ac@scorpio> <20120427195840.GA15455@hemlock.hydra> <20120427164652.4f021ab1@scorpio> <20120428074118.298c2c04.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120428073603.7767688d@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:03:49 -0000 On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:36:03 -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:41:18 +0200 > Polytropon articulated: >=20 > >On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:46:52 -0400, Jerry wrote: > >> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:58:40 -0600 > >> Chad Perrin articulated: > >>=20 > >> >On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 01:57:10PM -0400, Jerry wrote: > >> >> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:32:24 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: > >> >> >On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 06:43:06PM -0400, Jerry wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:52:56 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: > >> >> >> >On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 02:45:53PM -0700, David Brodbeck > >> >> >> >wrote: > >> >> >> >>=20 > >> >> >> >> Generic skills aren't recognized because they're hard to > >> >> >> >> judge and test for. People want quantifiable, objective > >> >> >> >> things to weed out applicants. This is also why credit > >> >> >> >> scoring has become so popular -- sure, someone's credit > >> >> >> >> score may not tell whether they'd be a good employee or > >> >> >> >> not, but it's a convenient, objective way to throw out a > >> >> >> >> bunch of resumes. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Indeed -- and the employer who bucks this trend does him/her > >> >> >> >self a huge service, because large numbers of very skilled > >> >> >> >and/or talented people are being rejected on entirely > >> >> >> >arbitrary criteria that have little or no correlation to > >> >> >> >their ability to do the job. People who use such critera are > >> >> >> >forcing themselves to compete with everyone else in the > >> >> >> >industry using the same criteria, leaving a glut of job > >> >> >> >candidates who would be great at the job waiting for someone > >> >> >> >else to give them a chance. > >> >> >>=20 > >> >> >> Wouldn't it be far easier for this "glut of job applicants" to > >> >> >> either become proficient in the skills stated in the job > >> >> >> description for which they are applying or do what everyone > >> >> >> else does; i.e. lie on their r=E9sum=E9. If the mountain will not > >> >> >> come to Mahomet, Mahomet must go to the mountain. > >> >> > > >> >> >1. Pretty much every employer has a slightly different list of > >> >> >keywords. I guess you think all these job candidates should learn > >> >> >every skill in the world. > >> >>=20 > >> >> No, I think they should learn the one(s) most sought after in > >> >> their chosen field. If 90% of the potential openings in a > >> >> specific field are requesting proficiency with MS Word, what do > >> >> you think any legitimate applicants should become proficient in? > >> > > >> >Right -- because all the keywords you need will always be Microsoft > >> >Word. > >> > > >> >Admit it: you're just making up half-baked excuses to disagree now. > >>=20 > >> If the requirement is for proficiency in MS Word, Excel or whatever > >> and you lack those skills then you are not qualified for the job. > >> Period. > > > >There are two problems "hidden": > > > >1. You typically cannot learn proprietary products for free. > >Of course there are books and online material to help you, but > >you cannot try the software. You have to buy it, and you have > >to buy the OS that supports it. There is no (legal) way for > >autodidacts to make theirselves familiar by "learning and doing". >=20 > Irrelevant. You cannot learn to be a doctor, lawyer, physicist, > etcetera sans an education. Unless you have managed to acquire a "free > ride", i.e. you are getting the education on someone elses dime, you > will need to pay. Quite frankly Poly, I would have expected a better > argument from you than that. It was really quite bogus. >=20 > >2. There are many different versions, so when you encounter > >"Microsoft Word" as a required skill, you cannot be sure that > >the skill _you_ have will be the right one. You know that > >products like "Word" differ from version to version. And of > >course they highly differ from established and standardized > >ways of doing things, so your generic knowledge (e. g. acquired > >by "learning and doing" OpenOffice or StarOffice or Abiword) > >isn't fully portable simply because of the arbitraryness of how > >"Word" does things. >=20 > "arbitraryness" [sic} is one way of describing it. Since MS Office is > the de facto standard it can be stated that the other entries in the > word processing field are guilty of arbitrariness in their approach to > the matter. I don't agree here. The history in UI and behavioural changes in prograns like "Word" made whole generations of its users nearly completely RE-learn what they already could do before, worse or better. During the many versions things massively changed, and there is no _the_ "Word" version you find un business. Putting formatting options into the File menu is one of such things that I call arbitrary, because logic dictates that it would be expected to be where the other formatting options (typeface, selection, paragraph -> page) are found. Something similar can be seen for visualisation settings: some of them are in View, some other aren't. Standard (at least in my idealized opinion) also includes file formats. Instead of memory dump blobs, programs like OpenOffice use a publically documented format which makes it easy to implement "output processors" for OO-files without further problems. > For the record, would you please point me to the RFC that > gives the requirements for a word processor. I must have missed it > somewhere. By the way, have you noticed that StarOffice, OpenOffice nor > Abiword all work exactly the same either? Are they guilty of > arbitrariness? >=20 > Come to think about it, FreeBSD does not work the same as Ubuntu or > linux. Of course, they are different operating systems, even though they share many similarities inherited from UNIX tradition. This is where generic skills enter the stage: They enable you to find your way around AIX or IRIX even if your previous experiences cover only Linux. > In fact, none of them work exactly the same. That's not a problem for someone who can deal with the differences by using the analogies. :-) > Quick Poly, call > the "Arbitrariness Police?. This must be nipped in the bud immediately. I fully agree, I've experienced the "let's put this file somewhere into that stupidly named subtree and expect administrators to find it" attitude you sometimes find in Linux land. :-) > >> If those skills are the ones most requested then the applicant should > >> learn them. It doesn't get any simpler than that. > > > >I fully agree with you here. If the employer is _precise_ on what > >he expects, you can "trim" your resume or your skill profile to > >make a good match. You can even acquire requested skills (if > >possible). However, at least on the german job market you won't > >find such situations. As I wrote in a previous message, externalized > >HR services do most of the pre-employment work, and they are not > >very specific in their application requirements they publish. > >"Programmer" and "Office" can mean anything. >=20 > Absolutely, except I am not sure about "trimming". Unless the entry was > counter to the job requirements, I would leave it in. The "shock & awe" > concept of feeding the interviewer more data than they will have > time to digest can work to your advantage. Attention, that _might_ (depending on viewer!) make the applicant appear as "over-qualified", which has also become a reason for rejection. "He knows too much!" If the employer exactly and precisely states _what_ he expects, you have many chances to make your resume or CV appear fitting precisely. > >> If a job required > >> proficiency with 3+ years minimum experience in c++ and you only had > >> knowledge of Pascal, would you still believe you were qualified? > > > >Depends. If your intelligency is high enough, your ability to > >learn and to conclude is good, then maybe you have the chance > >to learn the required C++ skills that are _equivalent_ to 3+ > >years of experience. But that's only an assumption, and you will > >face the problem that you cannot "prove" it (by shiny paper > >with signature and rubber stamp). >=20 > Honestly Poly, you lost me there. It is probably a language problem. I wanted to use a picture here. Many HR services require you to append your "certificates and proofs of experience and knowledge", which are tyically diploma printed on shiny paper, colorful, with a signature of some important and omnipotent reviewer, and a rubber stamp of an organisation or company that is totally free of any fail. If you have many of those certificates, you become "valuable", even if those certificates are worthless, i. e. they claim you have knowledge that you in fact don't have. This may not be visible in the application, but _might_ become obvious at performing at the real job. The "shiny papers" are the things you typically can see on a "wall of fame" behind an important person in his chair: a wall full of certificates. They look impressive, I admit. But what do they say? Highly debatable. > >Again, I fully agree with you. "Selling yourself" on the HR market > >includes the typical aspects of selling you'll find in consumer > >products. For example, in marketing... let's say a tablet, the > >manufacturer doesn't say you cannot remove the battery (which will > >be flat line after 1 year of use), and the device will be unsupported > >after 2 years of use; no, the manufacturer will only show positive > >aspects of the tablet: it's shiny, slim, lightweight, entertaining > >and so on. He will also exxagerate, e. g. it's the world's most > >popular, future-proof, revolutionary and so on. >=20 > "Selling Yourself" is always important, as you stated. You only get one > chance to make a good first impression. Correct. People have the habit of judging uneducatedly and "out of the stomach", so the first impression is the most important one, even if it's _not_. However, it's hard to predict how your counterpart will judge because... well, people are different. > >Employers often have strange expectations. I also wrote that > >some of them, because a "shortage of skilled programmers", > >suddenly want the "geek" (who trained himself lots of programming > >languages and development methods in his free time), but they > >want him to have certificates and university degrees. Reality > >shows that the _really_, I mean ***REALLY*** good programmers > >often don't have any degrees at all, sometimes even no professional > >education! Those promising candidates drop out at the beginning if > >they don't "improve" their CV or resume. It's the only chance they > >can turn their knowledge and experience into money (by being > >employed by a boss who _recognizes_ what he can get). Needless > >to say that such skills aren't taught in schools, universities, > >professional education and IT courses. You can only teach them > >to yourself. >=20 > True, Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard. Obviously, that never slowed > him down. Many inventors and successful persons (in business or in R&D) seem to have an "atypical career". Maybe this is because the normal (means: average) way of living a life with a predefined course of education and work does not fit those extraordinaty (means: non-average) persons, or, _they_ don't fit into that pattern. As always in social processes: "If you don't play according to the rules, YOOOOU'RE OUT!" And the only thing left is a "non-average" life which can be of success (if you know how to manipulate "the significant others" - no negative connotation here), or you become their victim, which leads to a sad life and early death (or endless suffering, depends). > Interestingly enough, Microsoft requires applicants to have a > degree(s) for it's various openings. In any case, to quote you, a > "***REALLY***" good programmer would have job experience. Without a > degree and sans job experience, I would seriously question his > qualifications. Depends on what you call a good programmer. I know that you know that programming is more than coding. Today, management skills, group-orientation and other "side aspects" do matter. Many of them can only be experienced during work in form of a regular employment. > Lets look at it from this point of view. If I advertise > for a job opening, lets call it "XYZ", and you apply for said job, > sans any degree(s), certificates of certification or job experience in > said field, what, and please be honest now, do you think the odds of > you getting hired are? Very few companies are doing the OJT (On Job > Training) thing these days, although the associates or candidates > programs are alive and well. The problem is: Most jobs aren't the same. You nearly always need to train the new guys. You can't expect them to know your company procedures and internal standards. Being _fixated_ on certificates, many skilled programmers slip out of scope. As I said, it's possible to "buy a certificate" no matter if the knowledge certified is really present. It's also important to judge "established certificates" from "joke certificates" which are seen as a DISqualification if you happen to have one of them. --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 16:36:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B71106566B for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:36:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A058FC08 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:36:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so3200407iah.13 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:36:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=hEWku3VUoWf8Ql3gTuQ39NGxMDbURHFefKMZlKHiW/g=; b=nTiM1kpjkm2iPOgqS7PfA61u3hFCiWCx5EDy3vn8iQECgfEBvriWFts36Nj2jepRle Ta5ac5locYVc0/byzlpS1KklHsQi10UI9c4dwdE+s8ZFwHwkejsGu7CxFDW7iCBWDotg QEHH8yQfohnwok72B/ckoDKtpEtsVvvUvLIHG71lhvvMQSHazjsZ1/b3l7m5nz/kbp9v UvFdRVW06KcRr3A3Z6y6n1yO39TACdikCFl06J8Ln2bX/7Z53ZWEXM0zTchufLE7Q69P h+Ib1mVbsFi9CMjPo0zCNMrYVzCbYCAxYSK6wkI13cGmqIlWOUq0/Aeb+n4/BhAdHbBT GUsg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.197.233 with SMTP id ix9mr6110108igc.26.1335630984834; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:36:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.74.138 with HTTP; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:36:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201204281539.q3SFdtir061045@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <201204281539.q3SFdtir061045@mail.r-bonomi.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:36:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: Robert Bonomi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlj6klNp0RdjRgwyiz7K8n44j7nTYhKsobuqrhP5YA4jeYnz7GhgfQ08E9R0/2ORCBKmV3m Cc: wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UFS Crash and directories now missing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:36:25 -0000 On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Robert Bonomi wrote: > > =A0Alejandro Imass wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:22 AM, Wojciech Puchar >> wrote: >> >> I somewhat agree, but it wasn't a person. I am the only administrator= , >> >> the only one with root access. The jails were effectively moved to th= e >> >> /usr/local/etc/apache22 of the single that survived at the top level. >> >> I'm thinking something between mount, EzJail, the journal and the way >> >> MySQL created a great deal of head contention, so something must have >> >> gotten corrupted at the directory level like you state, but the >> >> strange part is no _data_ corruption as such, because I was able to >> >> physically archive the jails, move them to the correct directory and >> > >> > >> > no matter what you do FreeBSD DOES NOT ramdomly move directories. if y= ou are >> > sure you didn't move it yourself then it must be machine hardware prob= lem >> > but still unlikely. >> >> After a little more research, ___it it NOT unlikely at all___ that >> under high distress and a hard boot, UFS could have somehow corrupted >> the directory structure, whilst maintaining the data intact. > > This is techically accurate, *BUT* the specifics of the quote "corruption= " > unquote in the case under discussion make it *EXTREMELY* unlikely that th= is > is what happened. > > 99.99+++% of all UFS filesystem "corruption' issues are the result of a > system crash _between_ the time cached 'meta-data' is updated in memory > and that data is flushed to disk (a deferred write). > > The second most common (and vanishingly rare) failure mode is a powerfail > _as_ a sector of disk is being written -- resulting in 'garbage data' > being written to disk. > > The next possibility is 'cosmic rays'. =A0If running on 'cheap' hardware = (i.e., > without 'ECC' memory), this can cause a *SINGLE-BIT* error in data being > output. > > The fact that the 'corrupted' filesystem passed fsck -without- any report= ed > errors shows that everything in the filesystem meta-data was consistent > > Given *that*, there are precisely *TWO* ways that the 'results' that have > been reported could have happened. > > =A01) "Something" did a mv(2) of the various jail directories 'from' thei= r > =A0 =A0 original location to the 'apache' diretory. =A0This involves simp= ly > =A0 =A0 *copying* the diretory entry from the jail's 'parent directory' t= o > =A0 =A0 the apache directory, and then marking the entry in the original > =A0 =A0 parent as 'unused'. =A0Nothing other than the =A0directory whre t= he jail > =A0 =A0 'used to live', and the directory 'where it was found' are touche= d. > =A0 =A0 This occured _through_ the system 'mv' function, so all the norma= l > =A0 =A0 'housekeeping' was done properly. > > =A02) it was -not- done though mv(2) -- but that requires that a whole > =A0 =A0 *series* of "corruptions" of the filesystem, _ALL_ of which had t= o > =A0 =A0 occur in 'exactly' the right way. =A0They are: [...] > I think it is safe to conclude that the probabilities -greatly- favor > alternative #1. > OK. So after your comments and further research I concur with you on the mv but if it wasn't a human, then this might be exposing a serious security flaw in the jail system or the way EzJail implements it. The whole point of using jails is to protect things like this from happening. Given that the only jail that survived was the front-end Apache Web server/reverse proxy, then it is also safe to suspect the apache (or other) process running on it was able to perform a mv of the rest of the jails to it's own /usr/local/etc/apache22 directory. Is there no possibility is that after the system crash, the journal recocery process and/or fsck could have moved this directories ? Thanks, --=20 Alejandro From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 16:51:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA431065670 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:51:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D20A8FC16 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:51:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so3216915iah.13 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:51:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=WwEH9gTij9yEhy2Jg56EudqP/o5RpGAZHh/DLZAn4Kg=; b=LywzNQ0WSa1tQJJpaeG0X6YoIwBv+vJDw6jhgovrIFFKnbtJ8dIUymOGc+jhtlVy+Y URiD86gjo6eYvg8dn/LSMQRlJkSyKhrUBx+QJ4cPNIJW6lDAfDJwrhTEt4gGhYjNxCA+ LhVDGHDOr4lqAVU+FhzypawL/ANUXbSy0iUfyOqLLEC6fEH3Sf7im1X46CWY8MION8tG 5a95bwBftJzUFu1h8Y5ObInOetrP2y5dadQ6uOhLEbiK81AiPlQd+MtCHp+XdWkg2bA/ 8DsjIVeUfjSI4P4xDdXmFWXUdj7wA+EpfsQTdnHkVWDB2Hs5K7Q0OpcuOXuq9WgqNEI8 rKcg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.149.170 with SMTP id ub10mr6201254igb.43.1335631871050; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.74.138 with HTTP; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:51:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201204281539.q3SFdtir061045@mail.r-bonomi.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:51:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: Robert Bonomi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlGqi169rcbW9+lwGuRNSC0KpYMA8+KMjxBeC7qSkiGRFNaA1ZOpTQq/+J1FWtMENEqWrqQ Cc: wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UFS Crash and directories now missing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:51:11 -0000 On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Alejandro Imass wro= te: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Robert Bonomi > wrote: >> >> =A0Alejandro Imass wrote: >>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:22 AM, Wojciech Puchar >>> wrote: >>> >> I somewhat agree, but it wasn't a person. I am the only administrato= r, >>> >> the only one with root access. The jails were effectively moved to t= he >>> >> /usr/local/etc/apache22 of the single that survived at the top level= . >>> >> I'm thinking something between mount, EzJail, the journal and the wa= y >>> >> MySQL created a great deal of head contention, so something must hav= e >>> >> gotten corrupted at the directory level like you state, but the >>> >> strange part is no _data_ corruption as such, because I was able to >>> >> physically archive the jails, move them to the correct directory and >>> > >>> > >>> > no matter what you do FreeBSD DOES NOT ramdomly move directories. if = you are >>> > sure you didn't move it yourself then it must be machine hardware pro= blem >>> > but still unlikely. >>> >>> After a little more research, ___it it NOT unlikely at all___ that >>> under high distress and a hard boot, UFS could have somehow corrupted >>> the directory structure, whilst maintaining the data intact. >> >> This is techically accurate, *BUT* the specifics of the quote "corruptio= n" >> unquote in the case under discussion make it *EXTREMELY* unlikely that t= his >> is what happened. >> >> 99.99+++% of all UFS filesystem "corruption' issues are the result of a >> system crash _between_ the time cached 'meta-data' is updated in memory >> and that data is flushed to disk (a deferred write). >> >> The second most common (and vanishingly rare) failure mode is a powerfai= l >> _as_ a sector of disk is being written -- resulting in 'garbage data' >> being written to disk. >> >> The next possibility is 'cosmic rays'. =A0If running on 'cheap' hardware= (i.e., >> without 'ECC' memory), this can cause a *SINGLE-BIT* error in data being >> output. >> >> The fact that the 'corrupted' filesystem passed fsck -without- any repor= ted >> errors shows that everything in the filesystem meta-data was consistent >> >> Given *that*, there are precisely *TWO* ways that the 'results' that hav= e >> been reported could have happened. >> >> =A01) "Something" did a mv(2) of the various jail directories 'from' the= ir >> =A0 =A0 original location to the 'apache' diretory. =A0This involves sim= ply >> =A0 =A0 *copying* the diretory entry from the jail's 'parent directory' = to >> =A0 =A0 the apache directory, and then marking the entry in the original >> =A0 =A0 parent as 'unused'. =A0Nothing other than the =A0directory whre = the jail >> =A0 =A0 'used to live', and the directory 'where it was found' are touch= ed. >> =A0 =A0 This occured _through_ the system 'mv' function, so all the norm= al >> =A0 =A0 'housekeeping' was done properly. >> >> =A02) it was -not- done though mv(2) -- but that requires that a whole >> =A0 =A0 *series* of "corruptions" of the filesystem, _ALL_ of which had = to >> =A0 =A0 occur in 'exactly' the right way. =A0They are: > > [...] > >> I think it is safe to conclude that the probabilities -greatly- favor >> alternative #1. >> > > OK. So after your comments and further research I concur with you on > the mv but if it wasn't a human, then this might be exposing a serious > security flaw in the jail system or the way EzJail implements it. The > whole point of using jails is to protect things like this from > happening. Given that the only jail that survived was the front-end > Apache Web server/reverse proxy, then it is also safe to suspect the > apache (or other) process running on it was able to perform a mv of > the rest of the jails to it's own /usr/local/etc/apache22 directory. > > Is there no possibility is that after the system crash, the journal > recocery process and/or fsck could have moved this directories ? > Also note that even the EzJail basejail was moved also, so it could be a security hole in the way nullfs is used or in nullfs itself. but the curious thing is that the basejail is supposed to be mounted read-only so how did that get moved to the http-proxy jail?? That is why I suspect it could have been something in the boot process like the journal recovery, fsck or something else with that kind of privilege and when the EzJail filesystems were unmounted. --=20 Alejandro From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 17:30:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D325106566B for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 17:30:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D65B58FC18 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 17:30:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id q3SHVaiM061997 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:31:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:31:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201204281731.q3SHVaiM061997@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UFS Crash and directories now missing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 17:30:47 -0000 Alejandro Imass wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Robert Bonomi > wrote: > > Alejandro Imass wrote: > >> After a little more research, ___it it NOT unlikely at all___ that > >> under high distress and a hard boot, UFS could have somehow corrupted > >> the directory structure, whilst maintaining the data intact. > > > > This is techically accurate, *BUT* the specifics of the quote "corruption" > > unquote in the case under discussion make it *EXTREMELY* unlikely that this > > is what happened. > > > > 99.99+++% of all UFS filesystem "corruption' issues are the result of a > > system crash _between_ the time cached 'meta-data' is updated in memory > > and that data is flushed to disk (a deferred write). > > > > The second most common (and vanishingly rare) failure mode is a powerfail > > _as_ a sector of disk is being written -- resulting in 'garbage data' > > being written to disk. > > > > The next possibility is 'cosmic rays'. If running on 'cheap' hardware > > (i.e., without 'ECC' memory), this can cause a *SINGLE-BIT* error in > > data being output. > > > > The fact that the 'corrupted' filesystem passed fsck -without- any reported > > errors shows that everything in the filesystem meta-data was consistent > > > [...] > > > I think it is safe to conclude that the probabilities -greatly- favor > > alternative #1. > > > > OK. So after your comments and further research I concur with you on > the mv but if it wasn't a human, then this might be exposing a serious > security flaw in the jail system or the way EzJail implements it. BOGON ALERT!!! Jails only prevent stuff -inside- the jail from affecting stuff outside the jail. They do *NOT* prevent stuff 'oustide the jail' from affecting stuff INSIDE the jail. "For any fool-proof system, there exists a *sufficiently*determined* fool capable of breaking it." > The > whole point of using jails is to protect things like this from > happening. FALSE TO FACT. > Given that the only jail that survived was the front-end > Apache Web server/reverse proxy, then it is also safe to suspect the > apache (or other) process running on it was able to perform a mv of > the rest of the jails to it's own /usr/local/etc/apache22 directory. FALSE TO FACT. > Is there no possibility is that after the system crash, the journal > recocery process and/or fsck could have moved this directories ? "Anything is 'possible'" -- c.f. 'nasal monkeys'. HOWEVER, if, for example, you would bother to examine the source code for fsck you would discover that it doesn't do -anything- 'significant' without ASKING FIRST. You reported it didn't find any problems -- not even anay of the 'petty' ones it will correct w/o asking -if- the '-p' option is specified. "Journal revovery" _could_, 'theoretically' have done it -- *IF* "something else" did the 'mv' just before the crash, and that operation was journaled, but not yet committed to disk at the time of the crash. However, on a standard UFS filesystem, filesystem metadata updates are written 'synchronously', which should eliminate _that_ wild, unfounded, speculaction. "You sir, don't know what you don't know, and much of what you "think" you know is incorrect." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 17:52:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2FB7106564A for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 17:52:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773B58FC14 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 17:52:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so3280466iah.13 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:52:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=ALGpeWklPTVIgnIj4zaqRE0s8tqu8SAZPu9tRgCUhhY=; b=aLiMTh9TUg/znVLv1NQ1G04H6f+n6AaJ1sK1pLip9GE2T3owYEAadO4FivncbPTDql /jIJZrhaGq2hzZWZ1Wuq6jE7+F1gYc8oqaRFgLRLsH0kIvDAlo5JSLQsfkcIImLWjqwf nPKEkLAECyumGWjEMISIDMXex4IVdkBJ+PwTL5gaG0aGsVVN27uMe6DPWaQ376kPsNL1 Iz7+acCJJaHDbXHyMGe27AwH+u0MitnwchSvnKgCJhIt8R+zWnc62P9+ACH0vhPU7bCF sjfrwHi3UYqhFnTIGrlXLh66FimGzxOss5Xdke5an3ziItz56RmiWkJ/VEcAcN3RX+c6 8AXg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.197.233 with SMTP id ix9mr6230907igc.26.1335635522860; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.231.74.138 with HTTP; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:52:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201204281731.q3SHVaiM061997@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <201204281731.q3SHVaiM061997@mail.r-bonomi.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:52:02 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3TdgvcRn2FxmUbjhX91rw9DYIug Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmTxT/9ZsOh0Laxk4OBDxQI8ZriRH/XNmTO1khGHMW5OyvFXAvHwt9dFOLlTZTI1yG+ywMI Subject: Re: UFS Crash and directories now missing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 17:52:03 -0000 On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Robert Bonomi w= rote: > > Alejandro Imass wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Robert Bonomi >> wrote: >> > =A0Alejandro Imass wrote: >> >> After a little more research, ___it it NOT unlikely at all___ that >> >> under high distress and a hard boot, UFS could have somehow corrupted >> >> the directory structure, whilst maintaining the data intact. >> > >> > This is techically accurate, *BUT* the specifics of the quote "corrupt= ion" >> > unquote in the case under discussion make it *EXTREMELY* unlikely that= this >> > is what happened. >> > >> > 99.99+++% of all UFS filesystem "corruption' issues are the result of = a >> > system crash _between_ the time cached 'meta-data' is updated in memor= y >> > and that data is flushed to disk (a deferred write). >> > >> > The second most common (and vanishingly rare) failure mode is a powerf= ail >> > _as_ a sector of disk is being written -- resulting in 'garbage data' >> > being written to disk. >> > >> > The next possibility is 'cosmic rays'. =A0If running on 'cheap' hardwa= re >> > (i.e., without 'ECC' memory), this can cause a *SINGLE-BIT* error in >> > data being output. >> > >> > The fact that the 'corrupted' filesystem passed fsck -without- any rep= orted >> > errors shows that everything in the filesystem meta-data was consisten= t >> > >> [...] >> >> > I think it is safe to conclude that the probabilities -greatly- favor >> > alternative #1. >> > >> >> OK. So after your comments and further research I concur with you on >> the mv but if it wasn't a human, then this might be exposing a serious >> security flaw in the jail system or the way EzJail implements it. > > BOGON ALERT!!! > I admit my ignorance on how the filesystem works but I don't think your condescending remarks add a lot of value. The issue here is this actually happened and there is a flaw somewhere other than "the stupid administrator did it". From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 18:08:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6670B1065673 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 18:08:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122268FC26 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 18:08:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-62-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.62.131]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4123CC7F; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 20:01:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q3SI1G7K002673; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 20:01:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 20:01:16 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Alejandro Imass Message-Id: <20120428200116.b2f5820e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <201204281731.q3SHVaiM061997@mail.r-bonomi.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UFS Crash and directories now missing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 18:08:11 -0000 On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:52:02 -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Robert Bonomi = wrote: > > > > Alejandro Imass wrote: > >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Robert Bonomi > >> wrote: > >> > =A0Alejandro Imass wrote: > >> >> After a little more research, ___it it NOT unlikely at all___ that > >> >> under high distress and a hard boot, UFS could have somehow corrupt= ed > >> >> the directory structure, whilst maintaining the data intact. > >> > > >> > This is techically accurate, *BUT* the specifics of the quote "corru= ption" > >> > unquote in the case under discussion make it *EXTREMELY* unlikely th= at this > >> > is what happened. > >> > > >> > 99.99+++% of all UFS filesystem "corruption' issues are the result o= f a > >> > system crash _between_ the time cached 'meta-data' is updated in mem= ory > >> > and that data is flushed to disk (a deferred write). > >> > > >> > The second most common (and vanishingly rare) failure mode is a powe= rfail > >> > _as_ a sector of disk is being written -- resulting in 'garbage data' > >> > being written to disk. > >> > > >> > The next possibility is 'cosmic rays'. =A0If running on 'cheap' hard= ware > >> > (i.e., without 'ECC' memory), this can cause a *SINGLE-BIT* error in > >> > data being output. > >> > > >> > The fact that the 'corrupted' filesystem passed fsck -without- any r= eported > >> > errors shows that everything in the filesystem meta-data was consist= ent > >> > > >> [...] > >> > >> > I think it is safe to conclude that the probabilities -greatly- favor > >> > alternative #1. > >> > > >> > >> OK. So after your comments and further research I concur with you on > >> the mv but if it wasn't a human, then this might be exposing a serious > >> security flaw in the jail system or the way EzJail implements it. > > > > BOGON ALERT!!! > > >=20 > I admit my ignorance on how the filesystem works but I don't think > your condescending remarks add a lot of value. The issue here is this > actually happened and there is a flaw somewhere other than "the stupid > administrator did it". If you search the archives of this list, you'll find my _first_ post to that list: I've had a similar problem, df shows data must be there after crash (panic -> reboot -> fsck trouble), but files aren't there (even _not_ in lost+found). It's quite possible that in _exceptional_ moments this can happen. The fsck program is intended to repair the most typical file system faults, but nothing "complicated" will be done without interaction: Altering data on disk will _always_ involve the responsible (!) admin to check if it is really intended "to do so". There can be many reasons. I've never found out what was the reason for the trouble I've had. Some years ago, I found a "make" failing because "/uss/src/blah... something not found", and a quick memtest revealed the secret: defective RAM module that caused a "bit error", and the difference between "r" and "s" is just one bit. Replaced the module - everything worked. Mean soldering rays from outer space. :-) You'll find many useful forensic tools in the ports collection that might help locate "lost" data (quotes intended as long as the data is still on the disk). The more complex your setting is (e. g. striped disks, or ZFS), this can be nearly impossible. "Plain old UFS" can sometimes be your saviour (but BACKUP should be your real friend). --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 18:16:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF443106566C for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 18:16:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A488FC08 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 18:16:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so3305871iah.13 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:16:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=v1nV+RJ77jDhI1pRcFVfEu+NvjkaLXdQvI8rho7w+ig=; b=ddugDpGx1+z4SzzjHOugmzCfaUgfEKpsHzg6uD5bwZBAclyKZMZUf1OTXbvmYDc7tC Ja80btmUYXWU21ydm9GPPBx4N4ZlQj7d8Tu7npQpgPtTO7e8rN6azXLqWv/seKadwLMZ NwbbZ/s949R7Fi1ey1dwoTD1sY2eIFJucI//a8jx1CBTHCds+5IarPpWbFXS+7dEtlYj HmT3bY3LBMarH/8xJBDoOA+ByKkTt1HsiDVyT8JRxbPYPB3FMoHkbx8+fkrtBSb4CHP6 CeuxerbmVj73GwKY/jLe/bj1NH0iheI7C6I7XX5AkmQgeRVuY/qAlJCoa2heAnI1o2ci Swsg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.202.100 with SMTP id kh4mr6283511igc.43.1335637000193; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.231.74.138 with HTTP; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:16:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120428200116.b2f5820e.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <201204281731.q3SHVaiM061997@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120428200116.b2f5820e.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:16:40 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4ymPuip7Z-ceLN_DL9sRmtMMI6A Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkxb+y3a2J/L2GIT2UisDsyK9WsSPQyYBsfRB9PLWOUV+mjDHz+j/t4v9yYOOJ6KZlkoyUz Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UFS Crash and directories now missing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 18:16:40 -0000 On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:52:02 -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: >> > >> > Alejandro Imass wrote: >> >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Robert Bonomi >> >> wrote: >> >> > =A0Alejandro Imass wrote: >> >> >> After a little more research, ___it it NOT unlikely at all___ that >> >> >> under high distress and a hard boot, UFS could have somehow corrup= ted >> >> >> the directory structure, whilst maintaining the data intact. >> >> > >> >> > This is techically accurate, *BUT* the specifics of the quote "corr= uption" >> >> > unquote in the case under discussion make it *EXTREMELY* unlikely t= hat this >> >> > is what happened. >> >> > >> >> > 99.99+++% of all UFS filesystem "corruption' issues are the result = of a >> >> > system crash _between_ the time cached 'meta-data' is updated in me= mory >> >> > and that data is flushed to disk (a deferred write). >> >> > >> >> > The second most common (and vanishingly rare) failure mode is a pow= erfail >> >> > _as_ a sector of disk is being written -- resulting in 'garbage dat= a' >> >> > being written to disk. >> >> > >> >> > The next possibility is 'cosmic rays'. =A0If running on 'cheap' har= dware >> >> > (i.e., without 'ECC' memory), this can cause a *SINGLE-BIT* error i= n >> >> > data being output. >> >> > >> >> > The fact that the 'corrupted' filesystem passed fsck -without- any = reported >> >> > errors shows that everything in the filesystem meta-data was consis= tent >> >> > >> >> [...] >> >> >> >> > I think it is safe to conclude that the probabilities -greatly- fav= or >> >> > alternative #1. >> >> > >> >> >> >> OK. So after your comments and further research I concur with you on >> >> the mv but if it wasn't a human, then this might be exposing a seriou= s >> >> security flaw in the jail system or the way EzJail implements it. >> > >> > BOGON ALERT!!! >> > >> >> I admit my ignorance on how the filesystem works but I don't think >> your condescending remarks add a lot of value. The issue here is this >> actually happened and there is a flaw somewhere other than "the stupid >> administrator did it". > > If you search the archives of this list, you'll find my _first_ > post to that list: I've had a similar problem, df shows data > must be there after crash (panic -> reboot -> fsck trouble), but > files aren't there (even _not_ in lost+found). It's quite possible > that in _exceptional_ moments this can happen. The fsck program > is intended to repair the most typical file system faults, but > nothing "complicated" will be done without interaction: Altering > data on disk will _always_ involve the responsible (!) admin to > check if it is really intended "to do so". > > There can be many reasons. I've never found out what was the [...] > that might help locate "lost" data (quotes intended as long as > the data is still on the disk). The more complex your setting > is (e. g. striped disks, or ZFS), this can be nearly impossible. > "Plain old UFS" can sometimes be your saviour (but BACKUP should > be your real friend). > Thanks for your reply. I can't figure out how there was no data loss and yet the directories moved just like that. We have nightly backups and it's one of the features we love about EzJail and it's archive feature. The base system sits on another disk entirely and it's pristine, we don't install anything except the basic system on the system disk and the other disk is exclusively divided in jails, so the possibility of an outside process doing the mv is unlikely. Everything point to that something or someone executed a mv but how was this done? or if there is a potential problem and could happen again. And contrary to other comments here, and my admitted ignorance, I believe there are actually 3 possibilities: 1) something inside a jail was able to move the other jails into itself 2) something outside the jails moved the jails 3) the directories were moved at reboot by journal recovery, fsck or something else That is what worries me, is that it wasn't just some random bit or cosmic ray, but the potential of happening again. I am not so sure that it is *impossible* that a jail could affect other jails with EzJail. --=20 Alejandro From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 19:24:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44624106566C for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:24:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jherman@dichotomia.fr) Received: from mail.dichotomia.fr (hydrogen.dichotomia.net [91.121.82.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07468FC0A for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:24:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.2.11] (unknown [109.190.13.180]) (Authenticated sender: kha@dichotomia.fr) by sslmail.dichotomia.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E97C03DD08A for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:15:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4F9C41BE.8040307@dichotomia.fr> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:15:10 +0200 From: Jerome Herman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201204281731.q3SHVaiM061997@mail.r-bonomi.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (sslmail.dichotomia.fr); Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:15:04 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: UFS Crash and directories now missing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:24:20 -0000 On 28/04/2012 19:52, Alejandro Imass wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: >> Alejandro Imass wrote: >>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Robert Bonomi >>> wrote: >>>> Alejandro Imass wrote: >>>>> After a little more research, ___it it NOT unlikely at all___ that >>>>> under high distress and a hard boot, UFS could have somehow corrupted >>>>> the directory structure, whilst maintaining the data intact. >>>> This is techically accurate, *BUT* the specifics of the quote "corruption" >>>> unquote in the case under discussion make it *EXTREMELY* unlikely that this >>>> is what happened. >>>> >>>> 99.99+++% of all UFS filesystem "corruption' issues are the result of a >>>> system crash _between_ the time cached 'meta-data' is updated in memory >>>> and that data is flushed to disk (a deferred write). >>>> >>>> The second most common (and vanishingly rare) failure mode is a powerfail >>>> _as_ a sector of disk is being written -- resulting in 'garbage data' >>>> being written to disk. >>>> >>>> The next possibility is 'cosmic rays'. If running on 'cheap' hardware >>>> (i.e., without 'ECC' memory), this can cause a *SINGLE-BIT* error in >>>> data being output. >>>> >>>> The fact that the 'corrupted' filesystem passed fsck -without- any reported >>>> errors shows that everything in the filesystem meta-data was consistent >>>> >>> [...] >>> >>>> I think it is safe to conclude that the probabilities -greatly- favor >>>> alternative #1. >>>> >>> OK. So after your comments and further research I concur with you on >>> the mv but if it wasn't a human, then this might be exposing a serious >>> security flaw in the jail system or the way EzJail implements it. >> BOGON ALERT!!! >> > I admit my ignorance on how the filesystem works but I don't think > your condescending remarks add a lot of value. The issue here is this > actually happened and there is a flaw somewhere other than "the stupid > administrator did it". Ok, Not wanting to take any side in what could end up in personal attacks and nasty things being said about any poster genitors but : - Jails are very widely used, in fact it is probably one of the most used functionnality of FreeBSD. Far beyond ZFS, MAC or any of the other nice thingies FreeBSD has. - Jails are very often misused. Though not overly complex, creating a proper jail and upgrading it can sometime be a bit tricky. - Though not entirely devoid of bug and perfect, FreeBSD 8.2 is probably the best thing there is out there when it comes to system stability. It might be lacking some little nooks and cranies when it comes to perfect compliance with obscure standards, it might not behave as expected in some very few situation, but these are extremely rare. FreeBSD 8.2 is very widely used and this is one of the first time I heard of such a problem in jails. Nothing even remotely rings a bell. Take all these information into account and put yourself in our shoes. When reading your problem description, most of us will be inclined to think that you did something wrong. My personnal guess would be that you probably abused "ln" a bit too much when creating the jails (total shot in the dark here, but it could explain what happened). I don't see how journaling could impact your jails in anyway except if your jails were all extremely new when the crash happened or that the I/O was such that FreeBSD could never sync and commit journal from the time you created your jails to the time where the system crashed. Extremely unlikely. So my question is : where all the jail created properly ? Did you cpdup each and every one of them or were you lazy at some point ? Are all the jails properly declared in rc.conf ? My guess would be that the first jail was created in the right way, but that others were created using cp and ln, resulting in unexpected behaviour in the end. If I am right then the "surviving" jail would be either the first or the last you created. Jerome Herman > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 19:28:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803AB1065672 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:28:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eam1edward@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D0CE8FC0C for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:28:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obcni5 with SMTP id ni5so3159189obc.13 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:28:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=dT10TuZPz26hYpTclyNfi20S6pJehJAxvQne7pNU+dQ=; b=BECc/nqdyehRhGZgBJN274clzDFrPkbSWAWlnbXEvcZ47VeHCqGT7Wm7lKcey9xCyf 0++H8mYwgrr0XTBF9w5zCrjQvZGvTZKQXNIFWmWbkL/3fBL3l7RTQ2H9xmzd7f6WnjGe E3ww+LnYycPA7msbs3INy32IrdLg4XX+CwzzKaFS8kFu89gxYjRBoDNOQYNVcsPv7gEp kXhsr8QvwWKcIk/x4PAdZP5mKjIpgEMHze1e6y2bz0VnV6We4WNdszaV4xcSmRBjsBvJ QUh3+eIw6vvvHZ9w3Y3NsZ24kU4PJYYOQfhVFqHe6/SBqZLyQHvikaFQfb5I8BD6za3I 2j9g== Received: by 10.182.174.71 with SMTP id bq7mr20742164obc.29.1335641327321; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([174.134.109.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w4sm9181036oeg.12.2012.04.28.12.28.46 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4F9C462D.3090509@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:34:05 -0700 From: Edward M User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120329 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201204281731.q3SHVaiM061997@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120428200116.b2f5820e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: UFS Crash and directories now missing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:28:50 -0000 On 04/28/2012 11:16 AM, Alejandro Imass wrote: > That is what worries me, is that it wasn't just some random bit or > cosmic ray, but the potential of happening again. I am not so sure > that it is*impossible* that a jail could affect other jails with > EzJail. Sorry I'm late to the party. How about contacting EZjail and explaining what has happen:-) it may be a bug? http://erdgeist.org/arts/software/ezjail/#Author From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 20:52:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D704106566C for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 20:52:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from smtp-int-m.obspm.fr (smtp-int-m.obspm.fr [145.238.187.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 958248FC1C for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 20:52:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pcjas.obspm.fr (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by smtp-int-m.obspm.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/SIO Observatoire de Paris - 07/2009) with ESMTP id q3SKq1F6016486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 28 Apr 2012 22:52:02 +0200 Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 22:52:01 +0200 From: Albert Shih To: Adam Vande More Message-ID: <20120428205201.GB65903@pcjas.obspm.fr> References: <20120427161316.GA60361@pcjas.obspm.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Miltered: at smtp-int-m.obspm.fr with ID 4F9C5871.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 4F9C5871.000/145.238.184.233/pcjas.obspm.fr/pcjas.obspm.fr/ Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Performance and mouse problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 20:52:04 -0000 Le 27/04/2012 ? 12:14:04-0500, Adam Vande More a crit > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Albert Shih wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > I've got two very strange problem > > > > I'm running 9-stable on a Dell Laptop E4200. > > > > Since this morning when I put a USB mouse (I've try three mouses to be > > sure) it's not working. The kernel and HAL see the mouse but Xorg don't > > seem do anything. > > > > The second point is the load of the system is alway more than 1 (~1.5-2) > > event I do nothing. I kill all services, daemon, software and the load > > never drop. > > > > I've stop : > > > > hald > > dbus > > powerd > > etc... > > > > and ps don't show any process eating some ressource. But the load is high > > (and the laptop is very hot). > > > > I make a csup of world and build new userland, and news kernel. And nothing > > change.... > > > > http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/aei.html Well I don't see why this can be from a misconfiguration, the usb mouse work well before I update hald and world. But I read you link and I don't have those option in my configuration of xorg. Any other idea ? But thanks. For the problem about performance I submit this problem on stable mailing list. Regards JAS -- Albert SHIH DIO btiment 15 Observatoire de Paris 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Tlphone : 01 45 07 76 26/06 86 69 95 71 xmpp: jas@obspm.fr Heure local/Local time: sam 28 avr 2012 22:49:23 CEST From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 21:04:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA59B106564A for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:04:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@alogreentechnologies.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA2D8FC16 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:04:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amd620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q3SL45sf008705; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:04:18 -0600 From: Erich Dollansky Organization: ALO Green Technologies Pte Ltd To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 04:03:58 +0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.3-STABLE; KDE/4.7.4; amd64; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201204290403.58388.erich@alogreentechnologies.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:24:10 +0000 Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Alejandro Imass Subject: Re: UFS Crash and directories now missing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:04:23 -0000 Hi, On Saturday 28 April 2012 20:15:25 Alejandro Imass wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:22 AM, Wojciech Puchar > wrote: > >> I somewhat agree, but it wasn't a person. I am the only administrator, > >> the only one with root access. The jails were effectively moved to the > >> /usr/local/etc/apache22 of the single that survived at the top level. > >> I'm thinking something between mount, EzJail, the journal and the way > >> MySQL created a great deal of head contention, so something must have > >> gotten corrupted at the directory level like you state, but the > >> strange part is no _data_ corruption as such, because I was able to > >> physically archive the jails, move them to the correct directory and > > > > > > no matter what you do FreeBSD DOES NOT ramdomly move directories. if you are > > sure you didn't move it yourself then it must be machine hardware problem > > but still unlikely. > > After a little more research, ___it it NOT unlikely at all___ that > under high distress and a hard boot, UFS could have somehow corrupted > the directory structure, whilst maintaining the data intact. From what > I've learned so far, UFS is actually divided into 2 layers: one that > controls the directory structure and metadata and a lower layer > containing the data, so the directories being screwed up and the data > intact it is actually quite possible. > > What I'm trying to do is figure out is how it happened, and try > prevent it from happening again, so instead of dismissing it as > impossibility, I think we all should spend a little time figuring out > how these things can happen and determine how it can be prevented or > reduced. somebody mentioned the links. Did you use links in the jails to access the data? If then the directories of the jails got screwed, the links are gone but the original data is still there. The damaged directory might got fixed during the first reboot after the crash and you never noticed the fix. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 22:58:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1388A106564A for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 22:58:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jherman@dichotomia.fr) Received: from mail.dichotomia.fr (hydrogen.dichotomia.net [91.121.82.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58E58FC12 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 22:58:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.2.11] (unknown [109.190.13.180]) (Authenticated sender: kha@dichotomia.fr) by sslmail.dichotomia.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D3EDA3DD08A for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 00:57:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4F9C75F9.9070907@dichotomia.fr> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 00:58:01 +0200 From: Jerome Herman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120427161316.GA60361@pcjas.obspm.fr> <20120428205201.GB65903@pcjas.obspm.fr> In-Reply-To: <20120428205201.GB65903@pcjas.obspm.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (sslmail.dichotomia.fr); Sun, 29 Apr 2012 00:57:25 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Performance and mouse problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 22:58:39 -0000 On 28/04/2012 22:52, Albert Shih wrote: > Le 27/04/2012 ? 12:14:04-0500, Adam Vande More a crit >> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Albert Shih wrote: >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> I've got two very strange problem >>> >>> I'm running 9-stable on a Dell Laptop E4200. >>> >>> Since this morning when I put a USB mouse (I've try three mouses to be >>> sure) it's not working. The kernel and HAL see the mouse but Xorg don't >>> seem do anything. >>> >>> The second point is the load of the system is alway more than 1 (~1.5-2) >>> event I do nothing. I kill all services, daemon, software and the load >>> never drop. >>> >>> I've stop : >>> >>> hald >>> dbus >>> powerd >>> etc... >>> >>> and ps don't show any process eating some ressource. But the load is high >>> (and the laptop is very hot). >>> >>> I make a csup of world and build new userland, and news kernel. And nothing >>> change.... >>> >> http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/aei.html > Well I don't see why this can be from a misconfiguration, the usb mouse > work well before I update hald and world. > > But I read you link and I don't have those option in my configuration of > xorg. > > Any other idea ? > > But thanks. > > For the problem about performance I submit this problem on stable mailing > list. > > Regards > > JAS > I was afraid this would happen. And I fear it is just the begining. I assume you did not create any custom hald rule. Did you ? The first thing to do is to add Option "AutoAddDevices" "Off" In your ServerLayout section of xorg.conf. Then restart X and try to plug a mouse again. It may result in your mouse not working in X, but at least it should stop your computer from using all it's CPU trying to map the mouse. If indeed the CPU load does not reach skyhigh levels when you plug a USB mouse, we will be able to conclude that there is a DBus/hald problem. Also could you do the following - Mouse unplugged : # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/hald stop # /usr/local/sbin/hald --daemon=no --verbose=yes>> /tmp/hald_debug.log 2>&1 # dbus-launch lshal>> /tmp/dbus_hal_debug.log 2>&1 - plug mouse # dbus-launch lshal>> /tmp/dbus_hal_debug.log 2>&1 And post the content of both log files ? That should help in understanding what is going on. In the worst case there are mecanism that will keep HAL from tinkering/probing usb mouse. Jerome Herman From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 23:17:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7CA1065670 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 23:17:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve.bertrand@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FFF88FC12 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 23:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbbro2 with SMTP id ro2so959770pbb.13 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:17:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4udd1DzHDtXUCr36dFR5CkuNpuCVEqFxvhqdSohWnE4=; b=EalaZlveigOVa4uLag8OUakfy/kax+VcA5gkCCrorUCyYCeSmgUyQ4shKnbTgjgV3C UHElO7YQM3hBDLbkbMqajrGaI28V+TsVSfhhHyt7JuVbbEe00BTb1UqAhyWx0dTSvD8p F50wzp/yhtfCUzXm8QCHAGZf2LdmNMasDfs8/Q5iHO5L2oUWTddft3M5CQS2YX66nY+k H29l/GnTGDgqipht2p7C5o2NlDBIhw9ipdIbhdT1khQ2sp0ZuEG46SahL14NMtZh6xib Ht79ouAIAAh/Uv42sPxxjFEPFJqATw0upvV3w+Bfy4Po3N5iFYiz2D4db0RG4qMB85kg P8RA== Received: by 10.68.192.10 with SMTP id hc10mr35161204pbc.31.1335655035932; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [101.202.28.11] (S0106e091f51886ca.cg.shawcable.net. [174.0.116.84]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id tv5sm7126209pbc.35.2012.04.28.16.17.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4F9C7A78.7000301@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 17:17:12 -0600 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <20120424175026.GD1303@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: editor that understands CTRL/B, CTRL/I, CTRL/U X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 23:17:16 -0000 On 2012-04-24 11:50, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > My daughter is doing a touch typing course > that presumes MS Word. So far she was fine > with pico, but now they want the kids to > practice CTRL/B (bold), CTRL/I (italic), > CTRL/U (underline). She really needs to use > these particular combinations because that > is how the on-line assessment tool is set out. > > I use nothing but vi, so have no clue which, > if any, editor from ports/editors will have > these particular combinations implemented. > > Please recommend one, preferably as simple > and as small as possible. I'm a serious vi(m) advocate, but in this case, due to the use case, I also ++ Abiword. Steve