From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 01:36:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5BD1665 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 01:36:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net [IPv6:2001:44b8:8060:ff02:300:1:6:4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20E128FC0C for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 01:36:06 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqgEAD06qFDLevdH/2dsb2JhbABFv1GEZoIeAQEEAThBBQsLIRMSDwJGBg0BBwEBiAMFvwaMNBqEcwOmP4MCgVEX Received: from ppp247-71.static.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([203.122.247.71]) by ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 18 Nov 2012 12:06:06 +1030 Message-ID: <50A83993.50401@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:57:47 +1030 From: Shane Ambler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121030 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Snow Mountains Subject: Re: FreeBSD on SSD on ASUS P5KPL-C References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "illoai@gmail.com" , freebsd questions list X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 01:36:07 -0000 On 18/11/2012 06:49, Snow Mountains wrote: > Could you recommend a reliable document on how to do a correct block > alignment for new FreeBSD 9 install? FreeBSD Handbook doesn't > mention this at all, although I can find a lot of (not quite > consistent) advises on the net on how to do it with gpart/newfs. > Over the last week there has been a discussion with the subject "Advanced Format Drive ?" on this list that has been discussing that. If you only just signed up then you can search for it in the mail archives. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 02:50:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA724408 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 02:50:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE948FC08 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 02:50:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAI2o2fS011725; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:50:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAI2o2dh011722; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:50:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:50:02 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Gary Aitken Subject: Re: 9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem? In-Reply-To: <50A80DCB.7030500@dreamchaser.org> Message-ID: References: <50A53FF1.7050806@dreamchaser.org> <50A602AB.2060307@dreamchaser.org> <50A66659.5040406@dreamchaser.org> <50A6FFC0.3050902@dreamchaser.org> <50A7EE9B.4070003@dreamchaser.org> <50A80DCB.7030500@dreamchaser.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:50:02 -0700 (MST) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 02:50:05 -0000 On Sat, 17 Nov 2012, Gary Aitken wrote: >> There was a nice Sun white paper by Peter Snyder on tmpfs. It's linked on the Wikipedia tmpfs page, but Oracle has broken the link. Google has a rendered version of a PostScript copy (long URL): >> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:EXMeqvhFfrsJ:www.sun3arc.org/papers/OS/tmpfs_virtual_memory_filesystem.ps.gz+tmpfs+white+paper&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us > > Thanks. > Interesting, I would have thought swap space for something in a tmpfs was > not allocated until it needed to be swapped out. As I read it, used tmpfs > space reserves space in swap. It uses VM, so tmpfs is a memory disk until you run low on memory, then it gets swapped out. But until then, it's a RAM disk, with the added benefit of not eating a fixed chunk of RAM all the time. Oh, and unless you have a very recent -STABLE or -HEAD, see http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=bin/168544 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 03:15:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568CCA79 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 03:15:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0E18FC13 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 03:15:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id qAI3FDal045632; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:15:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <50A852C1.4010004@dreamchaser.org> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:15:13 -0700 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121116 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block Subject: Re: 9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem? References: <50A53FF1.7050806@dreamchaser.org> <50A602AB.2060307@dreamchaser.org> <50A66659.5040406@dreamchaser.org> <50A6FFC0.3050902@dreamchaser.org> <50A7EE9B.4070003@dreamchaser.org> <50A80DCB.7030500@dreamchaser.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:15:13 -0700 (MST) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 03:15:21 -0000 On 11/17/12 19:50, Warren Block wrote: > On Sat, 17 Nov 2012, Gary Aitken wrote: > >>> There was a nice Sun white paper by Peter Snyder on tmpfs. It's linked on the Wikipedia tmpfs page, but Oracle has broken the link. Google has a rendered version of a PostScript copy (long URL): >>> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:EXMeqvhFfrsJ:www.sun3arc.org/papers/OS/tmpfs_virtual_memory_filesystem.ps.gz+tmpfs+white+paper&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us >> >> Thanks. >> Interesting, I would have thought swap space for something in a tmpfs was >> not allocated until it needed to be swapped out. As I read it, used tmpfs >> space reserves space in swap. > > It uses VM, so tmpfs is a memory disk until you run low on memory, then > it gets swapped out. But until then, it's a RAM disk, with the added > benefit of not eating a fixed chunk of RAM all the time. I understand that. What surprised me was that the swap space is *allocated* up front along with the memory allocation. It's not written, but it is allocated. Which would imply swap has to be at least as large as the largest tmp file actually written. So one can't have a memory tmp space larger than the swap file. If what the paper says still holds: para 4.4: "The location of swap space for an anonymous page is determined when the anonymous memory is allocated." While out chopping on the woodpile, I decided that was probably for deadlock prevention. > Oh, and unless you have a very recent -STABLE or -HEAD, see > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=bin/168544 I'll try not to shutdown :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 04:18:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76ACE12F for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 04:18:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71A88FC13 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 04:18:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.news4all.se (c80-217-70-175.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.70.175]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id qAI4I1hq066572; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 05:18:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <50A860BA.6010901@bananmonarki.se> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 05:14:50 +0100 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120929 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: how to correct corrupted ports tree? References: <50A718F5.8040806@dreamchaser.org> In-Reply-To: <50A718F5.8040806@dreamchaser.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 04:18:17 -0000 2012-11-17 05:56, Gary Aitken skrev: > so, after updating bios, repartitioning, etc, > things seem to be stable, modulo the following: > > decided to rebuild ports for peace of mind, > but my basic ports tree is hosed: > > # portmaster -t --clean-distfiles > ... > "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.php.mk", line 335: Malformed conditional (${_USE_PHP_VER${PHP_VER}:Myes} != "") > ... > make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue > > ===>>> No DISTINFO_FILE in /usr/ports/lang/php4-extensions > > "Makefile", line 20: Could not find /usr/ports/mail/enigmail-thunderbird3/../enigmail/Makefile > make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue > > Sure enough: > > # ls /usr/ports/lang/php4-extensions > CVS Makefile pkg-descr > > I didn't see anything in the handbook about how to get the ports tree itself > back to a sane condition. Do I have to blow the whole thing away and do a > fresh extract? I don't see a way to force refetch of the actual ports files > like "distinfo" when portsnap thinks the port is up to date. I would do: portsnap fetch update extract or download the ports tarball. ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/FreeBSD/ports/ports/ports.tar.gz From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 04:49:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 956CB51B for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 04:49:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mpope@teksavvy.com) Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533648FC13 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 04:49:58 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAG6Zu0/O+KvQ/2dsb2JhbAANN7cuAQEBAQM4QAEQCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFBg0BBQIBAcITkEQDiEKacYRf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,637,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="207886594" Received: from 206-248-171-208.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO [192.168.111.111]) ([206.248.171.208]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA; 17 Nov 2012 23:49:56 -0500 Message-ID: <50A868F2.2040403@teksavvy.com> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 23:49:54 -0500 From: Matthew Pope User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121028 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andrew clarke Subject: Re: confessions of a FreeBSD purist References: <50A72E72.1000205@teksavvy.com> <20121117140705.GA12313@ozzmosis.com> In-Reply-To: <20121117140705.GA12313@ozzmosis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD , pulley@dabus.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 04:49:58 -0000 On 12-11-17 09:07 AM, andrew clarke wrote: > On Sat 2012-11-17 01:28:02 UTC-0500, Matthew Pope (mpope@teksavvy.com) wrote: > >> Could anyone be kind enough to recommend a free, or share their own >> FreeBSD VM image that has bind pre-configured in a jail, and / or an >> Apache web server pre-configured in a jail, for a non-commercial site? > I'd be very hesitant to use a VM image provided by an untrusted third > party. > > Is there a reason you don't want to build your own? > Andrew, avoiding effort is the only reason. Setting up Apache and bind in jails on FreeBSD was not that easy the last time I tried it a few years ago, perhaps the User Manual has been clarified. I am casting a line to see if there is a 'reasonably trusted' source of FreeBSD VMs, with jails configured, free for non-commercial use. As for personal VMs, I would not trust just anyone's VM I would do some due diligence. I appreciate the risks of running un-trusted code on processors. Matthew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 04:56:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96084956; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 04:56:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-da0-f54.google.com (mail-da0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC518FC0C; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 04:56:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-da0-f54.google.com with SMTP id z9so1806751dad.13 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:55:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=r4Spnbd7JOUMfsBpUZ/uOQlZGUob0EWVY4OIQYmJxBw=; b=GDJSKEIiK+yGTAgOyhKwDJR+iBD1vp41mNsyMMMCnV3ve8E8n1g+uELrV3E3Do4sCx 4ndMeHdZEi/2QfpwFPlsqpggr6dOXWzmGOswkq5s5S3xTrHtC0HLPZSG0LE9zGL2ZeQS HIQw38MXcBO27HcuAkXtN9qVC1INkZXuOYHHbq2j3AybuBGGA5BMy+q1TOF5t7g+S0cd 5npXVgmg4qLkzhY/qX0CcEbErM2PhWxI3+2C1NRjeSR65f/2PI/isw2N8rDEH5SpTB73 wM+a0q8irQWSK+oZkJbaDVpM95p+7LO7s5HqhuJ9tioEK7DBYGEvcrMAkRbw7sZTh+MO /D6A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.137.41 with SMTP id qf9mr28898631pbb.103.1353214554609; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:55:54 -0800 (PST) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.68.124.130 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:55:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:55:54 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: tMFF_cYfztIW57aV4vV_M78FNAU Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs Git to ensure repo integrity [was: 2012 incident] From: Adrian Chadd To: grarpamp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 04:56:00 -0000 [snip] There's a git repository. It's public. You can look at what goes into the FreeBSD git clone to get your assurance that things aren't being snuck in. People are using it, right now. Honestly, I'd rather see subversion grow this kind of cryptographic signing of each commit in the short term then migrate everyone over to git. Those who want to use git can use it, right now. Honest. Adrian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 05:00:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C2AEB70 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 05:00:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C588FC13 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 05:00:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.news4all.se (c80-217-70-175.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.70.175]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id qAI50qPB067566; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 06:00:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <50A86AC4.8010107@bananmonarki.se> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 05:57:40 +0100 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120929 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: how to correct corrupted ports tree? References: <50A718F5.8040806@dreamchaser.org> <50A860BA.6010901@bananmonarki.se> In-Reply-To: <50A860BA.6010901@bananmonarki.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 05:00:57 -0000 2012-11-18 05:14, Bernt Hansson skrev: There is a readme file too. ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/FreeBSD/ports/ports/README.TXT From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 05:21:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0253DEB2; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 05:21:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E4F78FC08; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 05:21:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id go10so1113897lbb.13 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 21:21:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=cFFz8NUEKjvvnWESvbfeMldTh3XXNvPljiBnbVgHkfI=; b=xj0yJOtCRqhSGj0ruH9AUzTepAQH72wa3NzWdScNEhMt4SMg5iBy59WRHDAXdSxTPB xF44F8DuG5jdY8inR+T1qNZnHE1+pKLmngyM0fgRH8i9yUzsKOm6F3QpS2t+Fb3aqmWq 33P/KzWmoyVVMWXdol+FiAuTr2dWCPju3np387VDKY80g3MD/41Xis1oid/4ItUtKrT8 S/rcJKdgfv8/FxlXnj9G1+GAd2TfS2/u65EhkkjmlAHEB8Jp3s9dVhIaBhbaSIUBr+BK E2sZHvY9sS8JbUhpluR8EGA9vX7qCfXu6pD1V/YUxDG0MIYrsdXNanhAGDyuR6+bGYVN 8EuQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.162.1 with SMTP id xw1mr8449830lab.3.1353216081458; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 21:21:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.135.104 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 21:21:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 00:21:21 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs Git to ensure repo integrity [was: 2012 incident] From: Robert Simmons To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-security@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 05:21:24 -0000 On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > Those who want to use git can use it, right now. Honest. Yup: https://github.com/freebsd/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 05:58:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362F35E9 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 05:58:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06A28FC12 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 05:58:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C3C2487D; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 06:58:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAI5wTFK001944; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 06:58:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 06:58:29 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "C. P. Ghost" Subject: Re: how to correct corrupted ports tree? Message-Id: <20121118065829.7a20efe6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <50A718F5.8040806@dreamchaser.org> <20121117110203.38708832.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 05:58:36 -0000 On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:51:11 +0100, C. P. Ghost wrote: > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Polytropon wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:56:21 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: > >> I don't see a way to force refetch of the actual ports files > >> like "distinfo" when portsnap thinks the port is up to date. > > > > You cansolve the problem of "few per-file mismatches" by > > using the traditional CVS approach of updating the ports > > tree. Only files not matching the current (on-server) content > > will be updated. > > CVSup/csup is deprecated now and shouldn't be used anymore: > > http://www.freebsd.org/news/2012-compromise.html > > We should stop advertizing it as a way to update the ports tree. > svn or portsnap is the way to go now. Thank you for changing my inner attitude toward the new technology. I will try to avoid what "just works" (and now "worked", past tense). :-) I really hope a SVN equivalent like csup (a CVS implementation that is part of the _base_ system) will appear so there is no need to install something from ports (like cvsup-without-gui in the past). It should be efficient, fast, and free of bloat. It should also be easy to integrate it into basic operations (as shown in my example with the sup/ config file and the entry in /etc/make.conf, making "make update" a simple task, both for OS sources and ports). When this is _granted_, one could think about removing it from the base OS install. Note that I did mention it because it worked all the years fast and flawlessly, and I'm using CVS myself for "archiving" configuration files of different systems locally. I never thought about migrating this stuff over to SVN, because I consider it "too voluminous". Maybe I'm wrong, and I should be corrected. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 05:59:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96998692; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 05:59:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oa0-f54.google.com (mail-oa0-f54.google.com [209.85.219.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A728FC0C; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 05:59:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id n9so5031298oag.13 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 21:59:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=VW9onU10Oem2f9wEymQEk3reHmTphEOSEF1aTtEShFQ=; b=k7qUm0iKKBYQoZp0NXC+ERnK6mo3J/fXIfsUvt5JH1X3pG+oTIFPZYBRsqsJeCThLq dxqHMKF5FNPmWpLgIrjT5SWRipL6eJuXCLGwPOpmOF61TsLdWGrxhs79+zMFAt9wuR21 kqV/FeM4R3JbEVFCeOOkB6kBbk0082nUkBEu6aTRr3mSOrT6oYO+eFfUYdA8GtFcq7pv MvOq2TXq7egCZ09AyMJeT+zO2/+37wi7gXQVh/RHPfeuGod/8hUPJ9LSrNvA2+7dhkky 1LTH25kQf1Iul++W7EJCgGUplgXwGYf44D04yyRbhyo44OEM6P8OVxF7X5q+LC7glrTk Wv3g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.2.103 with SMTP id 7mr7825076oet.79.1353218395069; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 21:59:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.68.39 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 21:59:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 00:59:54 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs Git to ensure repo integrity [was: 2012 incident] From: grarpamp To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org, freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 05:59:56 -0000 >> joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de > You don't even have a name Your domain indicates Germany, please have a chat with CCC.de about the various good uses for nyms. And consult your library for some fine historical use cases. If that's counter to your beliefs, you are free to show us the way and post all your personal infos to the list. > spamming a large number of FreeBSD mailinglists with your advocacy? This topic would benefit from the review and involvement of users (questions), committers (hackers), security (security), and distribution (hubs). > -- > Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) As well summarized by this (your signature) ... sources you can't verify to the master are, also, sources you can't trust. >> fidaj@ukr.net > LOL And how will this help Linux? > http://lwn.net/Articles/457142/ How will what help Linux? Please quote a relevant snippet instead of the entire message. Seems pretty clear from the above link that having hashes/crypto as an intrinsic feature of the SCM tool does in fact help Linux. If you're asking about distribution of things traceable back to the master repo, at least your security officer can sign the initial repository commit and then include the various distribution keys and subsequent updates, signed tags, etc in the repo. >> utisoft@gmail.com > Yes, but git doesn't work with our workflow. There's usually a larger than head sized sandbox near everyone's local neighborhood. Will people elect to visit it, or to learn, grow, and change for the better? Prioe workflow is often forced by and derived from the tools being used. Different tools could enable different, more useful workflows. SVN required workflow change from CVS, people managed just fine. > It's been discussed several times I will look for these. Can you point to a couple main threads? > [git] ... is GPL btw FreeBSD does not include this sort-of-BSD licensed SCM tool in its base either... # https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/subversion/trunk/LICENSE # ls /*bin/svn /usr/*bin/svn ls: No such file or directory But it does include this GPL licensed one... # http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/cvs/ccvs/COPYING?revision=HEAD # ls /*bin/cvs /usr/*bin/cvs' /usr/bin/cvs And of course we have this in use as well... # perforce http://www.perforce.com/purchase/pricing-licensing So it seems license is not an obstacle to inclusion, and certainly not the use via ports, of any particular SCM with the FreeBSD project. >> rsimmons0@gmail.com > https://github.com/freebsd/ >> adrian@freebsd.org > You can look at what goes into the FreeBSD Git clone to get your > assurance that things aren't being snuck in. The same could be said for the CVS clone. Again... Any copy of something that is itself not verifiable provides no such assurance. > Those who want to use git can use it, right now. Honest. Yes, Git does seem to me to be leading the other distributed, hash based, SCM tools such as Hg. Thus Git is suggested. Yes, Git would fill the purpose. I only suggest Git, as to some other choices that use hashes (as usual, please verify with current releases)... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_revision_control_software But this is not really about using Git in particular... These replies are all dodging around the base issue raised... - That FreeBSD has no verifiable source repo - Which is not only a problem for the repo itself, but for everything attempted to be spawned downstream off of that root (no verifiable distribution system/tools distributing that repo, etc). Sorry to reply to these sorts of replies this way, but please, this isn't a troll or a shed. No need to do that around the issue raised. Hash [ :-) ] it out and solve it. Why wait for a costlier breach? Why not provide the assurance beforehand? No better time than now. >> gmx@ross.cx > http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/171-jonathan-corbet/491001-the-cracking-of-kernelorg Yes, another good link outlining the issue. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 06:15:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ADEAB6F for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 06:15:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3D68FC08 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 06:15:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699FB244EF; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:14:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAI6F0rk002007; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:15:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:15:00 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Bernt Hansson Subject: Re: how to correct corrupted ports tree? Message-Id: <20121118071500.b2d368b2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <50A86AC4.8010107@bananmonarki.se> References: <50A718F5.8040806@dreamchaser.org> <50A860BA.6010901@bananmonarki.se> <50A86AC4.8010107@bananmonarki.se> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd@dreamchaser.org, FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 06:15:01 -0000 On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 05:57:40 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote: > 2012-11-18 05:14, Bernt Hansson skrev: > > There is a readme file too. > > ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/FreeBSD/ports/ports/README.TXT Which mentions the evil cvsup... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 06:15:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5C0B8A for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 06:15:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc1-s26.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s26.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662008FC16 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 06:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP351 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s26.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 17 Nov 2012 22:14:49 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [14.97.158.132] X-EIP: [ul9Mloc/mR1psdCALlY+q4jkT1uOYVKm] X-Originating-Email: [bourne.identity@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([14.97.158.132]) by BLU0-SMTP351.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 17 Nov 2012 22:14:48 -0800 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:44:47 +0530 From: Manish Jain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Problem with installing coreutils port References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2012 06:14:49.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[03DB2270:01CDC554] Cc: jharris@widomaker.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 06:15:56 -0000 Hello All, I recently had to re-install FreeBSD on my system. I installed FreeBSD-8.3-i386 and successfully managed to install all ports except one - the sysutils/coreutils port. Underneath is the error I get : gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/sysutils/coreutils/work/coreutils-8.20' CCLD src/factor lib/libcoreutils.a(striconv.o)(.text+0x68): In function `str_cd_iconv': : undefined reference to `libiconv' lib/libcoreutils.a(striconv.o)(.text+0xfa): In function `str_cd_iconv': : undefined reference to `libiconv' lib/libcoreutils.a(striconv.o)(.text+0x180): In function `str_cd_iconv': : undefined reference to `libiconv' lib/libcoreutils.a(striconv.o)(.text+0x26d): In function `str_iconv': : undefined reference to `libiconv_open' lib/libcoreutils.a(striconv.o)(.text+0x290): In function `str_iconv': : undefined reference to `libiconv_close' lib/libcoreutils.a(striconv.o)(.text+0x2bd): In function `str_iconv': : undefined reference to `libiconv_close' lib/libcoreutils.a(striconv.o)(.text+0x303): In function `mem_cd_iconv': : undefined reference to `libiconv' lib/libcoreutils.a(striconv.o)(.text+0x35e): In function `mem_cd_iconv': : undefined reference to `libiconv' lib/libcoreutils.a(striconv.o)(.text+0x3af): In function `mem_cd_iconv': : undefined reference to `libiconv' lib/libcoreutils.a(striconv.o)(.text+0x41b): In function `mem_cd_iconv': : undefined reference to `libiconv' lib/libcoreutils.a(striconv.o)(.text+0x458): In function `mem_cd_iconv': : undefined reference to `libiconv' lib/libcoreutils.a(striconv.o)(.text+0x4d2): more undefined references to `libiconv' follow gmake[2]: *** [src/factor] Error 1 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/sysutils/coreutils/work/coreutils-8.20' gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/sysutils/coreutils/work/coreutils-8.20' gmake: *** [all] Error 2 *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/sysutils/coreutils. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/sysutils/coreutils. I tried deinstall followed by reinstall of the iconv port. But even that does not solve the problem listed above. Can anyone please point out what might be the error and any possible solution ? I personally think the port is either broken, or the Makefile does not use the correct link options. 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Sun, 18 Nov 2012 06:29:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A1D18FC0C for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 06:29:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 167F1244EF; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:29:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAI6TkWR002037; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:29:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:29:46 +0100 From: Polytropon To: grarpamp Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs Git to ensure repo integrity [was: 2012 incident] Message-Id: <20121118072946.69de35bb.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 06:29:52 -0000 On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 00:59:54 -0500, grarpamp wrote: > > Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) > > As well summarized by this (your signature) ... sources you can't > verify to the master are, also, sources you can't trust. Unless. of couse, you are able to "use the source Luke" and spot malicious portions by yourself. This of course is usually possible to subsets only, and mostly to the gurus of our guild. The "ordinary user" won't be able to do this. > >> fidaj@ukr.net > > LOL And how will this help Linux? > > http://lwn.net/Articles/457142/ > > How will what help Linux? Please quote a relevant snippet instead > of the entire message. > > Seems pretty clear from the above link that having hashes/crypto > as an intrinsic feature of the SCM tool does in fact help Linux. The article's headline is "kernel.org compromised", and the significant part (as of August 2011!) is: Earlier this month, a number of servers in the kernel.org infrastructure were compromised. We discovered this August 28th. While we currently believe that the source code repositories were unaffected, we are in the process of verifying this and taking steps to enhance security across the kernel.org infrastructure. However, this is a Linux problem, not a FreeBSD one, regarding repository infrastructure. > >> utisoft@gmail.com > > Yes, but git doesn't work with our workflow. > > There's usually a larger than head sized sandbox near everyone's > local neighborhood. Will people elect to visit it, or to learn, > grow, and change for the better? In many contexts, "better" _depends_. > Prioe workflow is often forced by > and derived from the tools being used. That is _one_ (valid!) way to see it. Another way is that tools will be chosen according to established workflows, or tools will adapt those workflows to better support them. > Different tools could enable > different, more useful workflows. SVN required workflow change from > CVS, people managed just fine. If the required programs will be integrated in the OS, accompanied by proper documentation, and the backend infrastructures being instantiated, up and running, I don't see a big problem. Unlike in other "OS countries", FreeBSD people are able to adapt to new methods and tools. > > [git] ... is GPL btw > > FreeBSD does not include this sort-of-BSD licensed SCM tool in its > base either... > > # https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/subversion/trunk/LICENSE > # ls /*bin/svn /usr/*bin/svn > ls: No such file or directory > > But it does include this GPL licensed one... > > # http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/cvs/ccvs/COPYING?revision=HEAD > # ls /*bin/cvs /usr/*bin/cvs' > /usr/bin/cvs > > And of course we have this in use as well... > > # perforce > http://www.perforce.com/purchase/pricing-licensing > > So it seems license is not an obstacle to inclusion, and certainly > not the use via ports, of any particular SCM with the FreeBSD > project. As far as I know, FreeBSD team puts much work into getting the OS into a "BSD license only" state, making it more appealing to commercial use where the (often so called) "rape me license" BSDL is very welcome. But as for "being part of the OS installation", you are right: Whatever tool will be required (or at least suggested) for the purpose of managing "CVS-like" functionality for sources and the ports collection should be part of the basic installation. That's why "pkg_add -r cvsup-without-gui" (if I remember correctly) has been the way in the past, but then, a rewrite called csup became part of the default installation, so you could use the known cvs command _and_ have a nice integration with system functionality, like entries in /etc/make.conf and configuration files for _how_ to update sources, ports, documentation and so on (e. g. in /etc/sup, with /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ as examples), so "make update" would do whatever you wanted. Exactly that kind of productive (!) behaviour is what I would expect (or at least wish) for any replacement of CVS, be it SVN or Git. > Sorry to reply to these sorts of replies this way, but please, this > isn't a troll or a shed. No need to do that around the issue raised. > Hash [ :-) ] it out and solve it. With some salt, please. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 07:44:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA121992 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:44:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 453ED8FC12 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:44:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4576E65DE; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:49:02 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cran.org.uk; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mail; bh=GPt3JMpkBHFI D94Rd9wfCRndAC8=; b=nUmv98e7sDxh27L2Nq9T9lyB5y3m+c1AmY6cDbidiUbh RYQLeLjoAcT4bJOc7qXhoQTbTLQl+i/+AJM45IyZOPMQxv8JDT4PU+hCYz1ZMnri RKWfCL5xoNPIoDgvKmw6mFHzhhkdHEMStMAuHrxiZPML1gWYTM45TQzHd1XEWyI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cran.org.uk; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=mail; b=aE/yur BliPzzOEP4KscporKh1WQIT9BgKscTrN9PGKLz8WEavNJGrQy+csX2uKh2O4DlZ1 Sg081FkmPaNnMhMUmCgDQtSrBFZWbh4KgaanDcaoqvAyi+QyV/wI6bYOHiCwA5Xp xfqVQg31iijGPBDDf73Ts8uy8QvFN7XtnTFp0= Received: from [IPv6:2a01:348:301:2:2827:2d9e:7939:abfb] (unknown [IPv6:2a01:348:301:2:2827:2d9e:7939:abfb]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 65B2AE65B7; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:49:02 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <50A891E8.4050307@cran.org.uk> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:44:40 +0000 From: Bruce Cran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Simmons Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs Git to ensure repo integrity [was: 2012 incident] References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:44:54 -0000 On 18/11/2012 05:21, Robert Simmons wrote: > Yup: > https://github.com/freebsd/ There's also git.freebsd.org. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 09:01:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89CDC282 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 09:01:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688C28FC13 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 09:01:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id Qwyd1k0094XeM0101wyeZZ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 01:58:38 -0700 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 00:58:38 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Anybody use the Dell 3010?? Message-ID: <20121118085838.GA7267@ethic.thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 09:01:14 -0000 I probably should cc the hardward guys about this. first, see if it geta any traction here, tho. my tech guy got me a Delll 3010 that has an "improved" [[meaning screwed up]] BIOS with some hardware mess called the UEFI. Trying to get ssh to work *bi-directionally* i royally f'ked up my installation for well over 27 hours. ssh still fails to connect going in to my "new tao"; but this time I know what to avoid. my question is simple: of what use is this new/improved POS setup? im sure its the same for every flavor of unix. my view is that it mjust makes using non-windozw that much more painful. gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 11:18:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D993BB for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:18:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsdlisten@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ea0-f182.google.com (mail-ea0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1008B8FC08 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ea0-f182.google.com with SMTP id a14so108990eaa.13 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 03:18:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5ZksdEy5gzXZZU3FDNyNCG7oCwLTTV8w4ubZA5qLLUg=; b=WYP7zA/TsOfvON5FK+j/GBfDF278ett5WSAZDwUnXPzYlhA9lG1bmYGFMN2ITuDxb4 +QxgFU+krIsuVrxX6r3DFfMPHuXaZJroD08liDakgGAhfy3K20KLgmju4ei4IVwYFaOz +Rrj5Ajt2K8n18fP//EQ5hQLno/mcUgU1o9PQLfqyBe4U97u2+da8Zaqxbvj17nAO+8X Umg1ZgHv2jlrVn3ve8kXIlkAhy2JLCTMA2xY9UmRaAoTGIMXxgEDiS9jVhBTnajInbAN 1/f7Kl5RGTGkkaY5IJb9mCzZ4AlxAerFwmGSGx8HAT9z+O/t+UVDr3IhAtnIKXEUigHt Li4Q== Received: by 10.14.211.135 with SMTP id w7mr6455036eeo.4.1353237497528; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 03:18:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from hplap.localdom.ain ([89.47.83.116]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k2sm16792530eep.15.2012.11.18.03.18.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 18 Nov 2012 03:18:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:18:12 +0200 From: Rares Aioanei To: Matthew Pope Subject: Re: confessions of a FreeBSD purist Message-ID: <20121118131812.1562c421@hplap.localdom.ain> In-Reply-To: <50A868F2.2040403@teksavvy.com> References: <50A72E72.1000205@teksavvy.com> <20121117140705.GA12313@ozzmosis.com> <50A868F2.2040403@teksavvy.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.13; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: pulley@dabus.com, andrew clarke , FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:18:24 -0000 On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 23:49:54 -0500 Matthew Pope wrote: > On 12-11-17 09:07 AM, andrew clarke wrote: > > On Sat 2012-11-17 01:28:02 UTC-0500, Matthew Pope > > (mpope@teksavvy.com) wrote: > > > >> Could anyone be kind enough to recommend a free, or share their own > >> FreeBSD VM image that has bind pre-configured in a jail, and / or > >> an Apache web server pre-configured in a jail, for a > >> non-commercial site? > > I'd be very hesitant to use a VM image provided by an untrusted > > third party. > > > > Is there a reason you don't want to build your own? > > > Andrew, avoiding effort is the only reason. Setting up Apache and > bind in jails on FreeBSD was not that easy the last time I tried it a > few years ago, perhaps the User Manual has been clarified. So in fewer words, you're so lazy you prefer some image some guy gives you. -- Rares Aioanei From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 11:45:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF913808 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:45:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller23@insightbb.com) Received: from mail.insightbb.com (smtp.insight.synacor.com [208.47.185.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779448FC0C for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:45:23 +0000 (UTC) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=O+27TWBW c=1 sm=0 a=Dm9TOXL4taQ+Gy1KovpL+A==:17 a=ZGRFnZtxdSgA:10 a=jLN7EqiLvroA:10 a=9YQ-1ebCAAAA:8 a=QuqnNikhn_gA:10 a=OYODqzXQ-bQKihyGPv0A:9 a=Dm9TOXL4taQ+Gy1KovpL+A==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.insight.synacor.com header.from=mueller23@insightbb.com; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp02.insight.synacor.com smtp.mail=mueller23@insightbb.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Received-SPF: softfail (smtp02.insight.synacor.com: transitional domain insightbb.com does not designate 74.130.198.7 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.130.198.7] ([74.130.198.7:35700] helo=localhost) by mail.insightbb.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTP id 40/75-25607-E78C8A05; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 06:37:34 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 06:37:34 -0500 Message-ID: <40.75.25607.E78C8A05@smtp02.insight.synacor.com> From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: dd command: BSD analog of conv=fsync? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:45:25 -0000 What is the (Free)BSD counterpart of conv=fsync in dd command? Command in question is dd if=GNOME-3.6.0.iso of=/dev/DRIVE bs=8M conv=fsync This is for writing to a USB stick, and of course DRIVE is replaced by the actual device node; also I believe bs=8M, good for Linux, would be bs=8m in FreeBSD. I don't really know if "conv=fsync" is necessary, but that's what was advised in the GNOME test-drive download page. Do I need to build and install coreutils from ports? Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 11:46:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54418AC for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:46:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD588FC1B for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:46:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.news4all.se (c80-217-70-175.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.70.175]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id qAIBjrLI076723; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 12:45:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <50A8C9B1.7000502@bananmonarki.se> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 12:42:41 +0100 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120929 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon Subject: Re: how to correct corrupted ports tree? References: <50A718F5.8040806@dreamchaser.org> <50A860BA.6010901@bananmonarki.se> <50A86AC4.8010107@bananmonarki.se> <20121118071500.b2d368b2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20121118071500.b2d368b2.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd@dreamchaser.org, FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:46:06 -0000 2012-11-18 07:15, Polytropon skrev: > On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 05:57:40 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote: >> 2012-11-18 05:14, Bernt Hansson skrev: >> >> There is a readme file too. >> >> ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/FreeBSD/ports/ports/README.TXT > > Which mentions the evil cvsup... :-) > Yes, yes it does. I'm so sorry for that, I'll try not to repeat my mistake. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 11:51:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90272C7F for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:51:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4924D8FC12 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:51:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E0C3CB07; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 12:51:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAIBpPpx003840; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 12:51:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 12:51:25 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Matthew Pope Subject: Re: confessions of a FreeBSD purist Message-Id: <20121118125125.85b2a49f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <50A72E72.1000205@teksavvy.com> References: <50A72E72.1000205@teksavvy.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:51:32 -0000 On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 01:28:02 -0500, Matthew Pope wrote: > However, I do need to run a web site again, and I am more than convinced= =20 > on the superior performance, and hardening possible with FreeBSD bind,=20 > and Apache running in jails. However, I'd like to run FreeBSD in a=20 > VMWare or VirtualBox VMs. This gives me the ability to take snapshots=20 > to recover easily when I break something. Computing resources are like=20 > candy these days. My fast box has 4 screaming fast processors with 8 GB= =20 > of RAM, and that is a three year old machine. There is no reason=20 > FreeBSD cannot run with adequate performance in a VM and run bind, and=20 > perhaps on another physical box, have a FreeBSD VM running Apache, both=20 > in jails. I know others are doing it. >=20 > Could anyone be kind enough to recommend a free, or share their own=20 > FreeBSD VM image that has bind pre-configured in a jail, and / or an=20 > Apache web server pre-configured in a jail, for a non-commercial site? =20 > With this configuration I can revert after breaking something as an=20 > over-eager, semi-qualified system administrator. You should really invest the time needed to build and configure the server software (!) you're going to use. In my opinion, it is your responsibility to provide a secure service, as any idiot can provide an insecure service. :-) The time you invest is well spent. Also note that there are tools like ezjail and warden (PC-BSD's tool for managing jails, with GUI). Of course there is sufficient documentation for installing and configuring Apache. Nobody else than _you_ knows your requirements best. You will benefit from tuning the required software yourself. Security is a process, not a state. Do not trust "3rd party VM images", especially when you're going to instantiate a service (like a web server) using them. Use paranoia for good. :-) Some hints: http://erdgeist.org/arts/software/ezjail/ http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-setup-freebsd-jail-with-ezjail/ http://wiki.pcbsd.org/index.php/Warden=AE Again, you should reconsider using VM images provided by others. There is basically nothing wrong in running a FreeBSD server in a VM on Linux, even though it might be valid as well to run FreeBSD on "bare metal". But that depends on your requirements, intentions, and energy bill. :-) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 13:16:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08DDDD8 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:16:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from graudeejs@yandex.ru) Received: from forward4h.mail.yandex.net (forward4h.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:f05::4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 762D68FC12 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from web29h.yandex.ru (web29h.yandex.ru [84.201.187.163]) by forward4h.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 855C31B213CE for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:16:30 +0400 (MSK) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by web29h.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id 483673384F0; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:16:30 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1353244590; bh=Gcfm268sigTTrPVUrCCR6uqYHJD64guL2rBXwZz+uM8=; h=From:To:Subject:Date; b=oWjrIGRlfPTNhzOgZWn9up8ib8730T41oT+pF2O73sWFh0yJRgqXyjEjzsvEMeiXk fn+xrXsWODtgllvGfzikT/WStRiv23Ev00SnuIbiPC0wBNU39cBemsxWt6OcjkP0UE JxUlIZzjfydoQ+jUxfvrBCylkkURD/8oXxK69lsY= Received: from mpe-11-155.mpe.lv (mpe-11-155.mpe.lv [83.241.11.155]) by web29h.yandex.ru with HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:16:30 +0400 From: Aldis Berjoza To: freebsd-questions Subject: Why do we need vfs.root.mountfrom for zfs MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <826091353244590@web29h.yandex.ru> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:16:30 +0200 X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:16:33 -0000 I was wondering why oh, why do we need to set vfs.root.mountfrom in /boot/loader.conf in order to boot from zfs. zpools have bootfs option. This info is redundant. I think one of two could be totally avoided at least in case when we boot form gptzfsboot. What I'm missing? -- Aldis Berjoza FreeBSD addict From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 10:44:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43FF2A6A; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 10:44:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lev@FreeBSD.org) Received: from onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru [IPv6:2a01:4f8:131:60a2::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A0E8FC0C; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 10:44:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lion.home.serebryakov.spb.ru (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:923f:1:cc83:142f:c735:4700]) (Authenticated sender: lev@serebryakov.spb.ru) by onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 19D234AC1C; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 14:44:43 +0400 (MSK) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 14:44:41 +0400 From: Lev Serebryakov X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <583715708.20121118144441@serebryakov.spb.ru> To: Adrian Chadd Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs Git to ensure repo integrity [was: 2012 incident] In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:20:20 +0000 Cc: freebsd-security@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org, grarpamp , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 10:44:45 -0000 Hello, Adrian. You wrote 18 =D0=BD=D0=BE=D1=8F=D0=B1=D1=80=D1=8F 2012 =D0=B3., 8:55:54: AC> There's a git repository. It's public. You can look at what goes into AC> the FreeBSD git clone to get your assurance that things aren't being AC> snuck in. People are using it, right now. But commits in this repo aren't signed by developers../ --=20 // Black Lion AKA Lev Serebryakov From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 13:29:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F517387 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:29:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EBF98FC14 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:29:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.10.3] ([173.88.197.103]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 18 Nov 2012 05:29:33 -0800 Message-ID: <50A8E2B4.9020806@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 08:29:24 -0500 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon Subject: Re: confessions of a FreeBSD purist References: <50A72E72.1000205@teksavvy.com> <20121118125125.85b2a49f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20121118125125.85b2a49f.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2012 13:29:33.0638 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF23F660:01CDC590] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Authenticated-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-EchoSenderHash: [fbsd8]-[a1poweruser*com] Cc: Matthew Pope , FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:29:46 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 01:28:02 -0500, Matthew Pope wrote: >> However, I do need to run a web site again, and I am more than convinced >> on the superior performance, and hardening possible with FreeBSD bind, >> and Apache running in jails. However, I'd like to run FreeBSD in a >> VMWare or VirtualBox VMs. This gives me the ability to take snapshots >> to recover easily when I break something. Computing resources are like >> candy these days. My fast box has 4 screaming fast processors with 8 GB >> of RAM, and that is a three year old machine. There is no reason >> FreeBSD cannot run with adequate performance in a VM and run bind, and >> perhaps on another physical box, have a FreeBSD VM running Apache, both >> in jails. I know others are doing it. >> >> Could anyone be kind enough to recommend a free, or share their own >> FreeBSD VM image that has bind pre-configured in a jail, and / or an >> Apache web server pre-configured in a jail, for a non-commercial site? >> With this configuration I can revert after breaking something as an >> over-eager, semi-qualified system administrator. > > You should really invest the time needed to build and configure > the server software (!) you're going to use. In my opinion, it > is your responsibility to provide a secure service, as any idiot > can provide an insecure service. :-) > > The time you invest is well spent. Also note that there are tools > like ezjail and warden (PC-BSD's tool for managing jails, with GUI). > Of course there is sufficient documentation for installing and > configuring Apache. Nobody else than _you_ knows your requirements > best. You will benefit from tuning the required software yourself. > > Security is a process, not a state. Do not trust "3rd party VM > images", especially when you're going to instantiate a service > (like a web server) using them. Use paranoia for good. :-) > > Some hints: > > http://erdgeist.org/arts/software/ezjail/ > > http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-setup-freebsd-jail-with-ezjail/ > > http://wiki.pcbsd.org/index.php/Warden® > > Again, you should reconsider using VM images provided by others. > There is basically nothing wrong in running a FreeBSD server in > a VM on Linux, even though it might be valid as well to run > FreeBSD on "bare metal". But that depends on your requirements, > intentions, and energy bill. :-) > > > A far better tool to build jails is qjail, give it a try. http://qjail.sourceforge.net/ http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=qjail&stype=all From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 13:50:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A48C07 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:50:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87FD08FC0C for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.10.3] ([173.88.197.103]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 18 Nov 2012 05:50:40 -0800 Message-ID: <50A8E7AA.6090906@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 08:50:34 -0500 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mario Lobo Subject: Re: virtualbox with FreeBSD as host References: <50A65471.7050706@a1poweruser.com> <20121116121408.71d86341@papi> <50A65F76.2060009@a1poweruser.com> <20121116130302.37a87580@papi> <50A6AD92.2000904@a1poweruser.com> <50a7547f.pE0dkKlRM7DyQvw3%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20121117103708.1cb34db4@papi> In-Reply-To: <20121117103708.1cb34db4@papi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2012 13:50:41.0064 (UTC) FILETIME=[B295D280:01CDC593] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Authenticated-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-EchoSenderHash: [fbsd8]-[a1poweruser*com] Cc: perryh@pluto.rain.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:50:40 -0000 Mario Lobo wrote: > On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 01:10:23 -0800 > perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > >> Adam Vande More wrote: >>> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Fbsd8 >>> wrote: >>>> I do not run x11 or any desktop on my 9.0 host. >>> This would be your problem. >> How so? Surely virtualbox _should_ be able to hand off a VT to the >> XP guest, for it to use as a keyboard, mouse, and display. (This >> supposes that the FreeBSD box in question _has_ a keyboard, mouse, >> and display, and thus has a VT that it can hand off.) >> >> Fbsd8 wrote: >>> I have 9.0 installed on my 200gb hard drive, it's configured to use >>> the first 100gb leaving the second 100gb free. I was going to >>> install XP in the second half and have a duel boot config. Then I >>> find out XP has to be install first on the HD ... >> The easiest solution might be to dd the first 100gb (containing >> the FreeBSD installation) to the second 100gb, mark the first 100gb >> as unused, and install XP there if it needs to be in the lowest- >> addressed part of the disk. Back up the FreeBSD installation first! >> >> Mario Lobo wrote: >>> To access the XP graphics interface, you NEED a graphics >>> environment! >> XP itself, when running directly on the hardware, provides its own >> graphics environment. > > It also does that when running on a VM but it does not provide a > graphics environment for the host. > >> It should be able to do the same running on >> a VM with a virtualized keyboard, mouse, and display. > > To show a window you need a display that can show it, be it head or > headless. To diaplay a head, be it local or remote, the display must be > able to handle graphics to properly show the VM screen (head), and like > I said, I have no idea on how to do that on a text console screen. > So I was barking up the wrong tree. By design virtualbox requires a desktop on the host to use the virtualbox built in config screens and the only way to access a configured and installed guest VM is from a remote PC with a desktop. So the bottom line is virtualbox=desktop. Not the outcome I was desiring. Duel boot config is the solution for me. Thanks to all that contributed to this thread. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 13:59:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD577D62 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:59:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oa0-f54.google.com (mail-oa0-f54.google.com [209.85.219.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929528FC12 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id n9so5218032oag.13 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 05:59:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=bpeERHlY0vhzlmZWf4WCprr30AgxkXWcydS5Zi9qbSA=; b=nFHcAdinPlePWlHdyeOS5e/TUJjZIRrOD27o9zEaa63RfMy660GCKkAHnDoVo+R20X 6RfVIKcuKUEdHUwoLu1T86Y0m9jN9caAoSGQWAjBX+YNEAk/YsolkA26hY9Ls4jvYnCW MdsqSZm/HhXcD2PhXUOCEL/YCVYlXiwKgehHrH72N8mpReu7NJLmWv946o77E8p5Ixbj MIM6unk9geOfqiYwPvpl18Lki9/rNF+AXm6+1l8HgrmkbQcpQbaQHBracH5Btosh4tIg pPmuEnwyb/qPgEhHPWAIYCdMaj+liIrvFbxSHH3S6Zr2gP6cD6n19wf/xGcFhC7jOjC1 v/2w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.14.200 with SMTP id r8mr8510189oec.45.1353247152598; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 05:59:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.80.104 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 05:59:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50A8E7AA.6090906@a1poweruser.com> References: <50A65471.7050706@a1poweruser.com> <20121116121408.71d86341@papi> <50A65F76.2060009@a1poweruser.com> <20121116130302.37a87580@papi> <50A6AD92.2000904@a1poweruser.com> <50a7547f.pE0dkKlRM7DyQvw3%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20121117103708.1cb34db4@papi> <50A8E7AA.6090906@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:59:12 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: virtualbox with FreeBSD as host From: Adam Vande More To: Fbsd8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Mario Lobo , perryh@pluto.rain.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:59:19 -0000 On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Fbsd8 wrote: > > So I was barking up the wrong tree. By design virtualbox requires a > desktop on the host to use the virtualbox built in config screens False > So the bottom line is virtualbox=desktop. > Since you can access it only by traditional server means, it's a desktop app? -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 14:08:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4FD42B for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 14:08:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from icp-osb-irony-out4.external.iinet.net.au (icp-osb-irony-out4.external.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A72F8FC1C for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 14:08:04 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnEIAOfqqFDL2Ruq/2dsb2JhbABFhTe9DWuBCIIeAQEEATo/BQsLDTkUGESIBwW/DpBgYQOVe4VZNYo2gwM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.83,275,1352044800"; d="scan'208";a="58868585" Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.phoenix) ([203.217.27.170]) by icp-osb-irony-out4.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 18 Nov 2012 22:08:02 +0800 Received: by smtp.phoenix (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4CB02EF6; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:08:01 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:08:01 +1100 From: andrew clarke Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: virtualbox with FreeBSD as host Message-ID: <20121118140801.GA51290@ozzmosis.com> References: <50A65471.7050706@a1poweruser.com> <20121116121408.71d86341@papi> <50A65F76.2060009@a1poweruser.com> <20121116130302.37a87580@papi> <50A6AD92.2000904@a1poweruser.com> <50a7547f.pE0dkKlRM7DyQvw3%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20121117103708.1cb34db4@papi> <50A8E7AA.6090906@a1poweruser.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <50A8E7AA.6090906@a1poweruser.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 14:08:05 -0000 On Sun 2012-11-18 08:50:34 UTC-0500, Fbsd8 (fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) wrote: > By design virtualbox requires a desktop on the host to use the > virtualbox built in config screens and the only way to access a > configured and installed guest VM is from a remote PC with a desktop. No, you can create and configure VirtualBox VMs using the command-line VBoxManage. I do this over SSH. See the VirtualBox manual (PDF). Incidentally it's possible to use RDP (Remote Desktop Protocol) to connect and control any VirtualBox guest - including OSes that don't natively support RDP connections - provided VRDP is enabled for that guest VM. I do this running when VirtualBox on a Linux host, and can't confirm it works for FreeBSD hosts, but assume it does. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 14:51:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F192858 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 14:51:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email2.allantgroup.com (email2.emsphone.com [199.67.51.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF5F8FC08 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 14:51:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [172.17.17.101]) by email2.allantgroup.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAIEpiiB088953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 18 Nov 2012 08:51:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAIEpipC003208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 18 Nov 2012 08:51:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id qAIEpira003207; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 08:51:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 08:51:44 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Thomas Mueller Subject: Re: dd command: BSD analog of conv=fsync? Message-ID: <20121118145144.GA45483@dan.emsphone.com> References: <40.75.25607.E78C8A05@smtp02.insight.synacor.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <40.75.25607.E78C8A05@smtp02.insight.synacor.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.3-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at email2.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (email2.allantgroup.com [172.17.19.78]); Sun, 18 Nov 2012 08:51:45 -0600 (CST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on email2.allantgroup.com X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.73 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 14:51:53 -0000 In the last episode (Nov 18), Thomas Mueller said: > What is the (Free)BSD counterpart of conv=fsync in dd command? > > Command in question is > > dd if=GNOME-3.6.0.iso of=/dev/DRIVE bs=8M conv=fsync > > This is for writing to a USB stick, and of course DRIVE is replaced by the > actual device node; also I believe bs=8M, good for Linux, would be bs=8m > in FreeBSD. > > I don't really know if "conv=fsync" is necessary, but that's what was > advised in the GNOME test-drive download page. It isn't. Writing to raw devices in FreeBSD immediately writes to the physical media. No flushing is needed. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 15:38:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1516B6 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:38:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from blue.seahorse.syndicate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B9C8FC0C for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:38:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id fo13so5647892vcb.13 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:38:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:date:to:subject:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :from:organization:message-id:user-agent; bh=s9KQ0/VyduHT5Gj1H+wpjoP21CwD7JEw/8C/lIDwPig=; b=J2XqyVvtC2JTfOcsUMcS696DuHzdb6pSHfg53c4JyEDi1oNZseEwDFTLDrAigVQwTJ maFMxjo/sT64eSEdde6qHE1V1Xr86oJ1sw9Md0EIROC6k7LY6GYqZbH3dHyTKdz9ZJDg gtNTEKFQvJFdW2VNRnOg24rUhBea+IEtT4FRNImzDFBHItoZr+Nl4hQgBYaePngdjVjY n1QXUs/K00cU9aCHAz8gm68jXsJGagpoakAXFRVEhs05cF5D7doIK21cAmid2kAcq0dL 5/bSrB/LlwvJNflIT6oE9ScOCp42svtTFQydcXPRTMKGde1CyGigbRuVSxSgF3STB2fJ f/Cw== Received: by 10.52.66.48 with SMTP id c16mr7541613vdt.14.1353253126359; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:38:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (pool-64-222-253-114.port.east.myfairpoint.net. [64.222.253.114]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dl18sm742223vdb.2.2012.11.18.07.38.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:38:45 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 10:38:43 -0500 To: FreeBSD Subject: How is zfs file system known in fsck? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lynn Steven Killingsworth" Organization: Blue Seahorse Syndicate Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.10 (FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:38:49 -0000 Hi FreeBSD - On my PC-BSD 9.1 RC3 I need to run fsck on my internal storage drive. I would like to use I think: fsck -y -F -t ufs /dev.... The question is what should I place for 'ufs' since I have zfs. My guesses just generate similar to 'directories unknown' My disk is also gpt. If I leave out the file system type after -t my machine apparently accepts a command to do something, but it of course does not do what is needed. Thanks -- Steve Poetry and commentary on the war; http://www.blueleafsyndicate.org Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 15:45:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3BBC87E for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:45:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from graudeejs@yandex.ru) Received: from forward4h.mail.yandex.net (forward4h.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:f05::4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485388FC14 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:45:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from web26h.yandex.ru (web26h.yandex.ru [84.201.187.160]) by forward4h.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id BF5991B218C2; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:45:52 +0400 (MSK) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by web26h.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id 6B33334D12E8; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:45:52 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1353253552; bh=oRK16emkIotX4o6Lh4lbXcI7FN1u/AByXJGpg2CdnDA=; h=From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:Date; b=d7zMDyQUNA9bwWK12fCIZt8Foaaq3RP3jpN3BDfJXGGtlJIIYa6UWb88o6SPaPZwp YKZAUuik4ym0Bh27u3//t5FFyiT5+jpYzre+4fSs8WkHncv/nzRw2WosXFpQ614I3j vlmDfKp81+StrhB/kv5BLjJ7A6lwjVbMn1Oea0Qs= Received: from mpe-11-155.mpe.lv (mpe-11-155.mpe.lv [83.241.11.155]) by web26h.yandex.ru with HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:45:52 +0400 From: Aldis Berjoza To: Lynn Steven Killingsworth , FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: How is zfs file system known in fsck? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <372191353253552@web26h.yandex.ru> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:45:52 +0200 X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:45:55 -0000 18.11.2012, 17:39, "Lynn Steven Killingsworth" : > Hi FreeBSD - > > On my PC-BSD 9.1 RC3 I need to run fsck on my internal storage drive. > > I would like to use I think: > > fsck -y -F -t ufs /dev.... > > The question is what should I place for 'ufs' since I have zfs. šMy > guesses just generate similar to 'directories unknown' šMy disk is also > gpt. If I leave out the file system type after -t my machine apparently > accepts a command to do something, but it of course does not do what is > needed. There is no fsck for ZFS. -- Aldis Berjoza FreeBSD addict From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 15:50:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59914FB2 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:50:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1658C8FC15 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:50:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E983CBA1; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:50:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAIFoExD005495; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:50:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:50:14 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Lynn Steven Killingsworth" Subject: Re: How is zfs file system known in fsck? Message-Id: <20121118165014.ba176abc.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:50:15 -0000 On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 10:38:43 -0500, Lynn Steven Killingsworth wrote: > Hi FreeBSD - > > On my PC-BSD 9.1 RC3 I need to run fsck on my internal storage drive. > > I would like to use I think: > > fsck -y -F -t ufs /dev.... > > The question is what should I place for 'ufs' since I have zfs. My > guesses just generate similar to 'directories unknown' My disk is also > gpt. If I leave out the file system type after -t my machine apparently > accepts a command to do something, but it of course does not do what is > needed. ZFS is "self healing" so there is no separate fsck_zfs tool provided in the base system (or in any other place). You will need to use the ZFS tools to check data integrity and make sure everything is alright (e. g. "zpool scrub"). That is not a bug. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[78.25.13.129]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j10sm176720lbh.17.2012.11.18.09.01.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 18 Nov 2012 09:01:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50A91484.3060501@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:01:56 +0200 From: Alexander Kapshuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20121027 Icedove/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Schmehl Subject: Re: ports: deinstall-all References: <50A16467.6090406@dreamchaser.org> <50A1F06F.7080602@bananmonarki.se> <50A800B7.7080809@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd@dreamchaser.org, FreeBSD Mailing List , Bernt Hansson X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:02:00 -0000 On 11/18/2012 12:18 AM, Paul Schmehl wrote: >> # for p >> in `pkg_info -ao | grep '.*/.*' | sed 's;.*;/usr/ports/&;'` >> { >> cd $p && make deinstall >> } >> > > All that to accomplish this? pkg_deinstall -fa Good one. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 17:46:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85C7D2E for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:46:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ateve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net [217.69.40.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BEB58FC0C for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [31.186.37.179] (helo=rpi-1.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ta8xY-0004dA-Vc for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:47:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.marelmo.com) by rpi-1.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ta8xP-0001gr-AN for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:46:59 +0000 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:46:07 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: virtualbox with FreeBSD as host Message-Id: <20121118174607.dbf7312a9da1595845592f8b@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20121118140801.GA51290@ozzmosis.com> References: <50A65471.7050706@a1poweruser.com> <20121116121408.71d86341@papi> <50A65F76.2060009@a1poweruser.com> <20121116130302.37a87580@papi> <50A6AD92.2000904@a1poweruser.com> <50a7547f.pE0dkKlRM7DyQvw3%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20121117103708.1cb34db4@papi> <50A8E7AA.6090906@a1poweruser.com> <20121118140801.GA51290@ozzmosis.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.2.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 15567@permanet.ie (plain) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:46:28 -0000 On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:08:01 +1100 andrew clarke wrote: > On Sun 2012-11-18 08:50:34 UTC-0500, Fbsd8 (fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) wrote: > > > By design virtualbox requires a desktop on the host to use the > > virtualbox built in config screens and the only way to access a > > configured and installed guest VM is from a remote PC with a desktop. > > No, you can create and configure VirtualBox VMs using the command-line > VBoxManage. I do this over SSH. See the VirtualBox manual (PDF). There are even command line tools such as Vagrant for managing virtual box VMs using baseline images and definition files to create VMs on the fly in response to a simple command. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 17:47:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2694EDCB for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:47:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pulley@dabus.com) Received: from aegir.dabus.com (aegir.dabus.com [173.14.229.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC19B8FC12 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:47:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aegir.dabus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aegir.dabus.com (Processor) with ESMTP id C6F865F322 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 10:47:04 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; b=lm5GuM2j+ZhgJVjQg3ot2GmW7ob3T0mpgUtQGYUnJZrDuTaM+qroyDQ4qIgJo/X5YRGpWXYsTXcYetM+BqHh/PjQnXMXksyG8ZtcLh1a8B07GUSVojVf65NRxGfIAKFIMr5EynkMEJJjJpW2F+S6aaPuXuphau3Oh24vZoN3GzU=; c=nofws; d=dabus.com; q=dns; s=aegir1 Received: from [192.168.10.10] (unknown [192.168.10.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aegir.dabus.com (Dabus) with ESMTPSA id D67155F318 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 10:47:03 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 10:47:01 -0700 From: Eric S Pulley To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: How is zfs file system known in fsck? Message-ID: <40E60258708D6FF63A5EDF6B@morbius.dabus.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:47:06 -0000 --On November 18, 2012 10:38:43 AM -0500 Lynn Steven Killingsworth wrote: > Hi FreeBSD - > > On my PC-BSD 9.1 RC3 I need to run fsck on my internal storage drive. > > I would like to use I think: > > fsck -y -F -t ufs /dev.... > > The question is what should I place for 'ufs' since I have zfs. My > guesses just generate similar to 'directories unknown' My disk is also > gpt. If I leave out the file system type after -t my machine apparently > accepts a command to do something, but it of course does not do what is > needed. > > Thanks If you're going to run "advanced" filesystems you really should try to understand how they work. There is no fsck tool and no need for one on zfs. If you have managed to loose data while running zfs you'd better have a backup. Read zpool(8) zfs(8) and possibly From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 18:46:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A408C4 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 18:46:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1151E8FC13 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 18:46:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id k10so7450044iea.13 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 10:46:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=Kvb6ujav9oZjwaspmn1CIrirXIK9FtNfxXNRVndZ8Ag=; b=eUb/pMaGTEBSwJU7RJcascadfUi/guK9eSDgxtmCMAa9RllRfKAqTEbHC7GUCO/c9s EAvndKv6lluI2biDj+dUO2XgOYFA1rUvQLFclNMcOJN/fv/Y2GVoJba9PXnDA1pzv/FQ QVyH62DG1bMOY3I6/HL5qRdC7Mg7xO99182dZvrXk7QmxdfohUHOdkcEwzVbmwbOnO/C 0hBQmUWY8XTS9m0pLfELOWxF8PoG/JIhvhysMQSoMFpM15wlSFuFxl0Rgvlr9K1fMOeE TE9mrdhy8pvQjGo2q7EH0HUIHM3LAAlzE5ia9Vg9oN7zuBVljrOOQwZ3c7T657bLcJ8E Hg0g== Received: by 10.50.95.161 with SMTP id dl1mr6649401igb.0.1353264367383; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 10:46:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from luna.wi.rr.com (cpe-184-58-138-79.wi.res.rr.com. [184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id kp4sm5788923igc.1.2012.11.18.10.46.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 18 Nov 2012 10:46:06 -0800 (PST) From: ajtiM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: skype Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 12:45:54 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.1-RC3; KDE/4.8.4; i386; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201211181245.54986.lumiwa@gmail.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 18:46:08 -0000 When using Skype on FreeBSD (.1-RC3, the call often (every 1-5 minutes) gets disconnected or better I hear but the other side doesn't hear me If I remember correct kern.hz=100 in loader.conf solved this problem before I I had this line but it doesn't help me. I have Skype-2.1.0.81 installed. Mitja -------- http://www.redbubble.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 18:57:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0940C34 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 18:57:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 671278FC12 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 18:57:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [89.204.154.244] (helo=tiny.Sisis.de) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TaA3X-0003Gb-QX; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:57:24 +0100 Received: from tiny.Sisis.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id qAIIvISi001312; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:57:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3/Submit) id qAIIvFjm001311; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:57:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: tiny.Sisis.de: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:57:14 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: ajtiM Subject: Re: skype Message-ID: <20121118185713.GA1267@tiny.Sisis.de> References: <201211181245.54986.lumiwa@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <201211181245.54986.lumiwa@gmail.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT r226986 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 89.204.154.244 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 18:57:31 -0000 El día Sunday, November 18, 2012 a las 12:45:54PM -0600, ajtiM escribió: > When using Skype on FreeBSD (.1-RC3, the call often (every 1-5 minutes) gets > disconnected or better I hear but the other side doesn't hear me > > If I remember correct kern.hz=100 in loader.conf solved this problem before I > I had this line but it doesn't help me. > I have Skype-2.1.0.81 installed. I know that this does not help much, but I'm using the same Sk in 10-CURRENT very often (also with video), and do not face this problem. Are yo sure that this is caused by FreeBSD or at your end of the call at all? matthias -- Sent from my FreeBSD netbook Matthias Apitz | - No system with backdoors like Apple/Android E-mail: guru@unixarea.de | - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | - Respect for open standards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 21:49:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CDA90D for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 21:49:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ia0-f182.google.com (mail-ia0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F598FC14 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 21:49:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ia0-f182.google.com with SMTP id x2so3761344iad.13 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:49:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=dJ3aJZYYjKZmx1I0vwWc/xV22z5jqS27DFHNfKQQ0dE=; b=cF9uAeexMHqFm/m3iBf8B3lxjn5fWP2M2ir/ZcHHKoUfwcuFKulNAZx5JZJLQ5mSHp 5RkXVoheu0JWkLQCnXyUEGehAqJ8nXWBjsb28u+Q0NgHuRmntMBdP8KC2cu3wDTtzUpX MaTlLBgW8dyRJA476/Al1D98qcNRFJumXLsnw1AvzTCjBO14fUnhE+lGEeCqJhP2C7Cp SNGjlhYQV8lPzhluD9oQRc1buk0/0GjZ3rPtk4vSE9MoZwGeAwPgSgo0QlhYIUzefhGF 4GARbEVYJvmFiyp8X5fX97PvA0nRi32u4phI47WFu4EbbDq5PPTyRNN0HDVNm2Gi2WTJ 1wtA== Received: by 10.50.159.229 with SMTP id xf5mr5100350igb.0.1353275351328; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:49:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from luna.wi.rr.com (cpe-184-58-138-79.wi.res.rr.com. [184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rd10sm5586463igb.1.2012.11.18.13.49.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:49:10 -0800 (PST) From: ajtiM To: Matthias Apitz Subject: Re: skype Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:49:01 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.1-RC3; KDE/4.8.4; i386; ; ) References: <201211181245.54986.lumiwa@gmail.com> <20121118185713.GA1267@tiny.Sisis.de> In-Reply-To: <20121118185713.GA1267@tiny.Sisis.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <201211181549.01959.lumiwa@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 21:49:12 -0000 On Sunday 18 November 2012 12:57:14 Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d=EDa Sunday, November 18, 2012 a las 12:45:54PM -0600, ajtiM escribi= =F3: > > When using Skype on FreeBSD (.1-RC3, the call often (every 1-5 minutes) > > gets disconnected or better I hear but the other side doesn't hear me > >=20 > > If I remember correct kern.hz=3D100 in loader.conf solved this problem > > before I I had this line but it doesn't help me. > > I have Skype-2.1.0.81 installed. >=20 > I know that this does not help much, but I'm using the same Sk in > 10-CURRENT very often (also with video), and do not face this problem. Are > yo sure that this is caused by FreeBSD or at your end of the call at all? >=20 > matthias I am sure that is a problem on my side. Mitja =2D------- http://www.redbubble.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 00:36:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6054B76 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 00:36:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF178FC0C for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 00:36:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.10.3] ([173.88.197.103]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:36:16 -0800 Message-ID: <50A97F00.6080300@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:36:16 -0500 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Vande More Subject: Re: virtualbox with FreeBSD as host References: <50A65471.7050706@a1poweruser.com> <20121116121408.71d86341@papi> <50A65F76.2060009@a1poweruser.com> <20121116130302.37a87580@papi> <50A6AD92.2000904@a1poweruser.com> <50a7547f.pE0dkKlRM7DyQvw3%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20121117103708.1cb34db4@papi> <50A8E7AA.6090906@a1poweruser.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2012 00:36:16.0732 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2D7B1C0:01CDC5ED] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Authenticated-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-EchoSenderHash: [fbsd8]-[a1poweruser*com] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 00:36:16 -0000 Adam Vande More wrote: > On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Fbsd8 wrote: > >> So I was barking up the wrong tree. By design virtualbox requires a >> desktop on the host to use the virtualbox built in config screens > > > False One word answers have no meaning. As I understand the VB manual there is only 2 ways to CREATE virtual machines on a freebsd host. Launch VB from the host x11 desktop which launches the VB config screen or use headless commands from host command line which just creates control files without the VB screens being displayed. If you know of some other ways them explain your self. > > >> So the bottom line is virtualbox=desktop. >> > > Since you can access it only by traditional server means, it's a desktop > app? > Have no idea what you trying to say by the above statement that ends in a question mark. Please clarify. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 01:01:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B85D6C; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:01:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D548FC08; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:01:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 16so5547602obc.13 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:01:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=VRZZ7hDqLcOXRbxmxEpj5Bp23IG/2J7Uk9192K2egv8=; b=NCHmOkJc8EnxmAt+gaDpwkp43lGJ7quLNToO0CVxRLpo07FJpwTvWLZtnFHDmdNoEE 6BFsxz/wh7Y2rRgHVX2PZem2bo7zY5yFoiQWe50A9ok48XHS8szFCSmcAndpQWCFIjnA 9v2yfv8KWqW65jAxvQBx4llvCdhu6Fyw/F/ZtEkgkCRtO6fwRooAL7yiYyyxkP4bw1mD hPRENsyA7wioAyj2NRHRsfXQ81/1jgUJqSn5yqtwhdeD9Y16DhHlAQrShB7bx8S+q+3p U9+ZOODqJjfuUu3BxAAGWeh1PMkV77yo18zpL4nlUOuw1Br1Mb2wXt2YFWSZgKcKMgC3 GRRQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.177.7 with SMTP id cm7mr9339068obc.20.1353286915570; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:01:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.68.39 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:01:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20648.34523.672005.521289@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20648.34523.672005.521289@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 20:01:55 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs Git to ensure repo integrity [was: 2012 incident] From: grarpamp To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:01:56 -0000 On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 1:57 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: >> the various good uses for nyms. > > There are no such uses on the FreeBSD mailing-lists; if you wish for > anyone to pay attention to you, then use a real name. Otherwise, > FOAD. > > -GAWollman It appears you have not reviewed the mailing list archives, otherwise you would have found many such nym holders engaging in good participation. However I do thank you for your opinion, and for your delightful and unwarranted private abuse. A good day to you indeed, Sir. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 01:07:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F3FE46 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:07:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF058FC08 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:07:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.10.3] ([173.88.197.103]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:07:47 -0800 Message-ID: <50A98660.9070709@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 20:07:44 -0500 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andrew clarke Subject: Re: virtualbox with FreeBSD as host References: <50A65471.7050706@a1poweruser.com> <20121116121408.71d86341@papi> <50A65F76.2060009@a1poweruser.com> <20121116130302.37a87580@papi> <50A6AD92.2000904@a1poweruser.com> <50a7547f.pE0dkKlRM7DyQvw3%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20121117103708.1cb34db4@papi> <50A8E7AA.6090906@a1poweruser.com> <20121118140801.GA51290@ozzmosis.com> In-Reply-To: <20121118140801.GA51290@ozzmosis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2012 01:07:47.0301 (UTC) FILETIME=[49B5A150:01CDC5F2] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Authenticated-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-EchoSenderHash: [fbsd8]-[a1poweruser*com] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:07:46 -0000 andrew clarke wrote: > On Sun 2012-11-18 08:50:34 UTC-0500, Fbsd8 (fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) wrote: > >> By design virtualbox requires a desktop on the host to use the >> virtualbox built in config screens and the only way to access a >> configured and installed guest VM is from a remote PC with a desktop. > > No, you can create and configure VirtualBox VMs using the command-line > VBoxManage. I do this over SSH. See the VirtualBox manual (PDF). > You did not pay close attention to what was written. What was written is stands as true. The key works are "virtualbox built in config screens". Using ssh from remote pc only works if ssh is run from a desktop. IE: you can not start ssh from a freebsd host command line to connect to a remote VB to create Virtual machines. > Incidentally it's possible to use RDP (Remote Desktop Protocol) to > connect and control any VirtualBox guest - including OSes that don't > natively support RDP connections - provided VRDP is enabled for that > guest VM. I do this running when VirtualBox on a Linux host, and can't > confirm it works for FreeBSD hosts, but assume it does. > AH now it gets interesting. RDP only talks to a fully configured virtual machine, not to the virtualbox built in config screens. So on a freebsd host without a desktop the vbheadless commands have to be used to create virtual machines. My final goal was to create virtual machines using the vb headless commands, which worked. But then I wanted to run rpd from a second host session [F2] and connect to the newly created VM which was not possible because the rpd program is not contained in the virtualbox-additions port and when installing the virtualbox-additions port had to use the force flag. So how can I run rpd on the freebsd host running the virtualbox server system so I can access the configured vm? I this configuration even possible? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 01:23:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3048204 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:23:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Received: from wilberforce.math.missouri.edu (wilberforce.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 612B88FC13 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (wilberforce.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by wilberforce.math.missouri.edu (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAJ1NXih006117 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:23:34 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Message-ID: <50A98A16.5070309@missouri.edu> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:23:34 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121028 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Question about svn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:23:35 -0000 I was looking at http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ What are csrg and socsvn? Please CC on the answer, as I am not subscribed to this mailing list. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 01:24:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528AA2A8 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:24:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0811C8FC13 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:24:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 16so5559434obc.13 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:24:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=SUjeY9q6VJ/jnxLgRCVyCqsCkDe7Lgcf16WEFcttqW8=; b=oVsTkVBM9eraP+Wl01HNbuP/R5k2SkYSBVukqsbNIgE5Jc+vuDY96A3A9ogbYtfCWc qJgfxmUbZf4b9XmtC84wTM4nPRsA2PnOvdr0ocE3PlzXdyusIKmTDjtSdI2DpyKle/KP KEOmJB5w/8SjVxSX5YSszLmYbbrVqUl/HgGap6g8QWUuDN+WJOIGxnm/ZKSfo/R0wv2w NS/jaKuIadOD9CDRbt8j5vm0XH5Q5Z3tAmgvHjHdTwLYlt02WV9IEMcB5o/+54mdTH5N 2V/RkRjHCx+Mgo5F1OWcgJ45Re3IerhJET2YsyKKR2oq5e30DMpC5dqdPx72YwP13261 wIGw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.32.193 with SMTP id l1mr9043376oei.114.1353288279194; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.80.104 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:24:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50A97F00.6080300@a1poweruser.com> References: <50A65471.7050706@a1poweruser.com> <20121116121408.71d86341@papi> <50A65F76.2060009@a1poweruser.com> <20121116130302.37a87580@papi> <50A6AD92.2000904@a1poweruser.com> <50a7547f.pE0dkKlRM7DyQvw3%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20121117103708.1cb34db4@papi> <50A8E7AA.6090906@a1poweruser.com> <50A97F00.6080300@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:24:39 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: virtualbox with FreeBSD as host From: Adam Vande More To: Fbsd8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:24:40 -0000 On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Fbsd8 wrote: > One word answers have no meaning. > That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. > As I understand the VB manual there is only 2 ways to CREATE virtual > machines on a freebsd host. Launch VB from the host x11 desktop which > launches the VB config screen or use headless commands from host command > line which just creates control files without the VB screens being > displayed. > > If you know of some other ways them explain your self. There is nothing in the VB manual which says the x11 server has to be running on the host system. You do need an x11 server to access the QT4 GUI however it can reside on a remote system and even a Windows Box. Just need the x11 libs locally that is it. > > >> >> So the bottom line is virtualbox=desktop. >>> >>> >> Since you can access it only by traditional server means, it's a desktop >> app? >> >> > Have no idea what you trying to say by the above statement that ends in a > question mark. Please clarify. > Please answer the question as implied by the question mark. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 01:28:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8310A517 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:28:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oroojeny@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-f54.google.com (mail-la0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEFE58FC0C for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:28:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id j13so4119941lah.13 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:28:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=8kGzO0DcqKeJg2+3KeBveKtn8DjvLZq7pZqWMT2qQo8=; b=cmu1Iz8ggToZmdtCdOwzT5uhiOpdA9Rd3eo4m71C62r4GeGJvALGVXeXE3cOkhcEaJ LSq4PlUuiEZT92kdgW6amCvscXlmbdZMCjr3Bqi7mXa3MzE4Tu3ok2OCv73Brokm6sqX gRCer9PB1Bk7DWVkcEznHPoLISeH8BLftzhvsc8/EOOQjyFcIhSRdHmkvnposvmiMK+i vcS8vvD1pisOIXrN5FzKdj1b2N+xsTGKZhZrJGPz7CtepKUuD4F8neXIvrbLH6lrO9Pz XKouPk54iH3UVejZciH0oU1y0kojTCxhmYoAH5/0EMKIh769JOACbjmxAAst4f6rqbYe cR7w== Received: by 10.152.106.162 with SMTP id gv2mr10000987lab.14.1353288515048; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:28:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.131.202 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:28:13 -0800 (PST) From: Hooman Oroojeni Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:28:13 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Freebsd 9 Startx To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=f46d04083aa537d44804cecf0998 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:28:37 -0000 --f46d04083aa537d44804cecf0998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear All, I would like to use GUI in Freebsd 9, but I face with following error. Any idea to help is appreciated. Many thanks, Hooman --f46d04083aa537d44804cecf0998-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 01:29:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504EA5B9 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:29:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1E38FC0C for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:29:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id k10so7749970iea.13 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:29:52 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=aNJYAFySaiJW2IzBHUy6IiuXySAtktx2YZsXPIpDPtU=; b=KJvV6BrUanXQ2wH8is/5Fr8cWpGpGxo/El3EXx22Z4OAlrIy+guZ2zMbGTiXDeSe2Q j1BCGFkQJ4XYvuZ9qCvly1NSxwp+U+rR8PSWb8nqXB1NwPcWw8tA2FsumLieGCvzgMCw ZUFmpVG8e17a+BpDtdRXPsXubGqQ+pondUc8iZEAclaKIlA3jAVZvwiwrmEbjQlqDrVE sFJzDEhtHhdlleZdtJK5YL7gtbIqJK/C8N8yRxE3sMLu44bloEjKeKhtkHHyVb2+lXr/ l9vIQqGTiIpkWAJ4Mz+ylH1f4f+wMmBvRw+EfqE7kOg48OMCgdb1mxTEigFliOkqN5PR PaNg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.169.102 with SMTP id ad6mr5364146igc.10.1353288592066; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:29:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.49.67 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:29:51 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.170.214] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 02:29:51 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs Git to ensure repo integrity [was: 2012 incident] From: "C. P. Ghost" To: grarpamp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnf6xDVN9LbWr9ua4tP8F7gA77RWK2CeF4irLOfPa+F1G+72V/RCOj7T330B3/Geu/meAtL Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:29:53 -0000 On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 6:59 AM, grarpamp wrote: >>> joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de >> You don't even have a name > > Your domain indicates Germany, please have a chat with CCC.de about > the various good uses for nyms. And consult your library for some > fine historical use cases. If that's counter to your beliefs, you > are free to show us the way and post all your personal infos to the > list. Uh-oh grarpamp, I hope you realize whom you're trying to lecture here! Joerg Wunsch is a highly appreciated long-time FreeBSD contributor and was member of the Core Team for a long time (I met him in person in the 90-ies and he's a very kind person). I wouldn't dismiss his advice lightly, unless I had a very good reason. Now, back to our regular programming. Thanks, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 01:43:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E4BA3E for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:43:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nomadlogic@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E328FC16 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:43:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id fo13so5986946vcb.13 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:42:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=N65aeAdJZtuxX21DuXu4dnwkxgYquFz5nLf0YUjp0fE=; b=YHnc5pKiKzEITIEgGh8/W4witeWUixPljhMsTK+t4V7yQu5j05B3eGdzV8S5sf8qfc N60Ipe5hR7RUFSBDLPFAxuEijxUJBLdsIORA5IEKkqRqq0VQI9LetyyoK1ZydKF2LiXy 1iBOnSIqSzdsQCbWPp/M8TbVcWGLI5/uMC4HZ0zlsVb1GQDrPZ6+J9eQ/4TPlqqUzvM/ nI0BcBYPp88YhAbXj1uVwTY4L6/9ElJ6CgL47HjahY6dFzbsd3qiO+mWZl1Wrg3DyOKr KVoABi688JVQUImtaJnT4465Ewl4QM0eFV5IbRySnpdPozESWQTDE+O3eSeKQoIDrEep 21Aw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.59.13.197 with SMTP id fa5mr17676577ved.47.1353289376116; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:42:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.221.230 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:42:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50A98A16.5070309@missouri.edu> References: <50A98A16.5070309@missouri.edu> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:42:56 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Question about svn From: pete wright To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:43:03 -0000 SOn Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > I was looking at http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ > > What are csrg and socsvn? > my best educated guess without taking a look: csrg == Berkley's Computer Systems Research Group historical(?) code socsvn == Google Summer of Code FreeBSD related projects. -pete -- pete wright www.nycbug.org @nomadlogicLA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 02:47:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 895AE504 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 02:47:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@alogreentechnologies.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.224.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348E88FC12 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 02:47:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from X220.ovitrap.com ([122.129.203.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id qAJ2l3IQ000521; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:47:04 -0700 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:47:02 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: Hooman Oroojeni Subject: Re: Freebsd 9 Startx Message-ID: <20121119094702.3d0639f0@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 02:47:12 -0000 Hi, On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:28:13 +0000 Hooman Oroojeni wrote: > Dear All, > I would like to use GUI in Freebsd 9, but I face with following error. I think that you have mist a paste command here. Anyway, what graphics adaptor are you using? Intel? It it is Intel, read about Intel KMS. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 03:11:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D808DA47 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 03:11:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oa0-f54.google.com (mail-oa0-f54.google.com [209.85.219.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9417B8FC14 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 03:11:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id n9so5638181oag.13 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:11:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QPWbCiWy3dIbUZg5s8xioMQuaFs/G2JlsWI/oI5JI0c=; b=mjwywSDsswu+3wDt9r098C84G1XZpntKElk9U/aTd0KO2f0N4dGrqbebOOLaMnygRz gXh8o2NAgAZS7nylxWL34js3nGGPmjHi+1VFE0pdLG/O9jmIGBZbLXVGxgydbalEC/Xv EVw895KXKF5WylA2ln9TCXp+1XVTjORVVZfTgJdzCdQcV22z30FB2JCxpLmOGD6hCRQH Xl/9VM2+THkaZmsdOeAtd+7tIOHSyj1A0o1ZtTLKBLiKePGEW/V2AVKzXCL83fezPSZM YwyMLz5Qq/cbNDnEZ5puHxn4UhvLAYp8lFWJJoRTfZITh+iG5PSSQ/3vd5Y1BMWEyXlY k/kw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.22.5 with SMTP id z5mr9224944oee.88.1353294718822; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:11:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.68.39 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:11:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 22:11:58 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs Git to ensure repo integrity [was: 2012 incident] From: grarpamp To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 03:11:59 -0000 >> grarpamp >> the various good uses for nyms. > cpghost@cordula.ws > I hope you realize whom you're trying to lecture here! > Joerg Wunsch is a highly appreciated long-time FreeBSD contributor Of course. No one here has any question as to anyone's FreeBSD participation. That would be silly :) I merely contest the suggestion that nyms have little to no utility, that people need moderate their usage alone in public, and that those using them are somehow lessers. I won't fail to defend general anti-nym opinion or guidance, particularly when wafted in this general direction. > Now, back to our regular programming. Yes, about this lack of a self-authenticating repo, etc. [1] It is good to see some discussion forming around it :) [1] Or whatever it may better be called. Put another way... we can't yet say, in the strong cryptographic sense, that anyone has a true copy of the repo. Or that the repo is itself internally tamper free and/or tamper proof. And so on as applied down the production and distribution chain. The repo does face certain risks. And Git appears as if it may be one way to mitigate them. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 04:22:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A6BD855 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:22:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oa0-f54.google.com (mail-oa0-f54.google.com [209.85.219.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A478FC0C for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id n9so5675561oag.13 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 20:22:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=LkFbO2eOSFooZG0JdNhVlE6fB1yf9kGzvsnewssV1uA=; b=S/Wg4vr/4KCi6zQ9z9IIusvFyZpcfU3dGWXu8ctSN5Vt8G5JQJDdQsJNOvrSzee2sK PxSzlyq2anemUHH94TMQRiaxPzWupZ38mOV6f2HGAkleTtIsOTFmQ/JNUi8q5BtbqIDt o6oqafO40pmu7kDDbUVrKTsO6yNiSCIVNc5mnIxyLV8Y077xPvnitE+V48E+JToUtMqg +I+W0y8RjuI+Qjn9MYgxfvWzgzGB/rXvcdC9bkNrCJEw+uYKm18kHLvMdhym/L2W/28v Zxz38QC135REVQSN/NeIwjXqZQG+xXNdUbY+G0aOZuRj7LuLV3aNuk/XudTjmrCla2RJ CQnQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.2.103 with SMTP id 7mr9677665oet.79.1353298959706; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 20:22:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.68.39 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 20:22:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 23:22:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs Git to ensure repo integrity [was: 2012 incident] From: grarpamp To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:22:40 -0000 > I won't fail to defend general anti-nym opinion or guidance d-oh, s/defend/defend against/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 06:06:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C78807C6 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:06:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 834898FC0C for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:06:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007ED3CA56; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:06:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAJ66tWl001967; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:06:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:06:55 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Hooman Oroojeni Subject: Re: Freebsd 9 Startx Message-Id: <20121119070655.8a3d385c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:06:56 -0000 On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:28:13 +0000, Hooman Oroojeni wrote: > Dear All, > I would like to use GUI in Freebsd 9, but I face with following error. > Any idea to help is appreciated. You need to show the error message for diagnostics and suggestions better than pure guessing. :-) Meanwhile, allow me to point you do helpful resources that might be worth reading (just in case you didn't follow them yet): http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-config.html http://wiki.freebsd.org/KDE4 http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/faq2.html In case you have different trouble, please name the software you're intending to run (e. g. which window manager), what you have installed, the content of config files (such as .xinitrc or .xsession) and the commands you've entered, plus their output and error messages. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 07:12:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2F1DBF for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:12:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB158FC13 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:12:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id qAJ7Ceeg080849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 18 Nov 2012 23:12:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.14.2/Submit) with UUCP id qAJ7CeOc080848; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 23:12:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from fbsd81 ([192.168.200.81]) by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA00470; Sun, 18 Nov 12 23:02:22 PST Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 23:02:00 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) To: bah@bananmonarki.se Subject: Re: wine-fbsd64 -- no longer in ports Message-Id: <50aa3bd8.YBUNwRI62fWVDOC2%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <50A7F53D.7070408@dreamchaser.org> <50A9823F.9070703@bananmonarki.se> In-Reply-To: <50A9823F.9070703@bananmonarki.se> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd@dreamchaser.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:12:46 -0000 Bernt Hansson wrote: > On 2012-11-17 21:36, Gary Aitken wrote: > > # portmaster -n emulators/wine-fbsd64 > > ===>>> No /usr/ports/emulators/wine-fbsd64 exists, and no information > > ===>>> about emulators/wine-fbsd64 can be found in /usr/ports/MOVED > > hints? > There has never been such a port, you have to install from package. Ordinarily, packages are created by building ports. If this one is an exception, how is it created? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 09:07:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6674E5B5; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:07:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EBC58FC14; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:07:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [82.113.99.79] (helo=tiny.Sisis.de) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TaNKG-0008CN-TM; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:07:33 +0100 Received: from tiny.Sisis.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id qAJ97UlD002648; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:07:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3/Submit) id qAJ97Uv0002647; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:07:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: tiny.Sisis.de: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:07:29 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Skype: local video view with Virtual in xorg.conf Message-ID: <20121119090729.GA2612@tiny.Sisis.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT r226986 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 82.113.99.79 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:07:35 -0000 Hi, I'm using Skype 2.1.0.81 in 10-CURRENT. Recently I have added "Virtual ..." to the Display SubSection in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf: Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Card0" Monitor "Monitor0" SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Virtual 2704 2704 Depth 1 EndSubSection ... to get Xinerama view while having connected an external VGA display. This works fine, but the local view in Skype does not show up, the picture of the remote is fine and my picture at the other side as well, only the local (test) view does not work. When I start Sk in a xterm, it says on probing the local view: $ skype libv4l2: error setting pixformat: Invalid argument libv4l2: error setting pixformat: Invalid argument Any ideas? Thanks matthias -- Sent from my FreeBSD netbook Matthias Apitz | - No system with backdoors like Apple/Android E-mail: guru@unixarea.de | - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | - Respect for open standards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 09:49:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BEBED67 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:49:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lbc@bnrlabs.com) Received: from smtp3-g21.free.fr (smtp3-g21.free.fr [IPv6:2a01:e0c:1:1599::12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E398FC12 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:49:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.bnrlabs.com (unknown [82.224.61.5]) by smtp3-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F71A6250; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:49:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [172.20.96.112]) by mail.bnrlabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B1346063; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:49:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50AA00BA.1040007@bnrlabs.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:49:46 +0100 From: "Lucas B. Cohen" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Kline Subject: Re: Anybody use the Dell 3010?? References: <20121118085838.GA7267@ethic.thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20121118085838.GA7267@ethic.thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:49:47 -0000 On 2012.11.18 09:58, Gary Kline wrote: > > > I probably should cc the hardward guys about this. first, see if it > geta any traction here, tho. my tech guy got me a Delll 3010 > that has an "improved" [[meaning screwed up]] BIOS with some > hardware mess called the UEFI. > > Trying to get ssh to work *bi-directionally* i royally f'ked up my > installation for well over 27 hours. ssh still fails to connect going > in to my "new tao"; but this time I know what to avoid. my > question is simple: of what use is this new/improved POS setup? > > im sure its the same for every flavor of unix. my view is that it > mjust makes using non-windozw that much more painful. > > gary > Gary, UEFI is more than a modified BIOS, it's something to get rid of the BIOS altogether. It's the x86 BIOS that arguably deserves much more to be called a screwed up POS, as it carries with it 30 years worth of legacy weirdness, kludges to go around them in modern systems, and a whole catalog of vendor-specific bugs and non-compliant implementations. UEFI was designed to solve a bunch of problems for manufacturers and advanced users, I'm not so sure that it deserves so much heat. What I'm sure of, is that there's no relationship between your new machine's UEFI and your ssh issues. I'm also sure that this has nothing to do with FreeBSD. Best of luck getting your work done on your new machine. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 10:43:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD60B8B for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:43:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C0D8FC0C for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:43:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AFDD3CB51; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:43:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAJAh6dj002697; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:43:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:43:06 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Lucas B. Cohen" Subject: Re: Anybody use the Dell 3010?? Message-Id: <20121119114306.ff21baa9.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <50AA00BA.1040007@bnrlabs.com> References: <20121118085838.GA7267@ethic.thought.org> <50AA00BA.1040007@bnrlabs.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:43:08 -0000 On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:49:46 +0100, Lucas B. Cohen wrote: > On 2012.11.18 09:58, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > > I probably should cc the hardward guys about this. first, see if it > > geta any traction here, tho. my tech guy got me a Delll 3010 > > that has an "improved" [[meaning screwed up]] BIOS with some > > hardware mess called the UEFI. > > > > Trying to get ssh to work *bi-directionally* i royally f'ked up my > > installation for well over 27 hours. ssh still fails to connect going > > in to my "new tao"; but this time I know what to avoid. my > > question is simple: of what use is this new/improved POS setup? > > > > im sure its the same for every flavor of unix. my view is that it > > mjust makes using non-windozw that much more painful. > > > > gary > > > > Gary, > > UEFI is more than a modified BIOS, it's something to get rid of the BIOS > altogether. It's the x86 BIOS that arguably deserves much more to be > called a screwed up POS, as it carries with it 30 years worth of legacy > weirdness, kludges to go around them in modern systems, and a whole > catalog of vendor-specific bugs and non-compliant implementations. UEFI > was designed to solve a bunch of problems for manufacturers and advanced > users, I'm not so sure that it deserves so much heat. The positive aspects you've mentioned about UEFI, the potential to solve problems originating back to half-baked solutions and "hacks" on BIOS level are well mentioned. Still I fear that UEFI will not bring them to reality. Instead it will be worse. Allow me to provide just one example: More in the series of bizarre UEFI bugs http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/20187.html As the title suggests, there are many more. :-) > What I'm sure of, is that there's no relationship between your new > machine's UEFI and your ssh issues. That sounds possible, but still UEFI _can_ be used to interfere with any level of the machine, as far as I know. As it is somehow a kind of "micro-OS", it can surely detect network traffic and motify or deny it if desired. There are many aspects of "security" that can be realized with UEFI. Avoiding "uncertified" traffic could be one of them. Still in _this_ particular case I would not assume UEFI to be the source of the problem. > I'm also sure that this has nothing to do with FreeBSD. FreeBSD's ssh implementation (client and server) usually are simple to set up, providing a good "out of the box experience". Checking settings on both sides, using the -vvv option or maybe even using tcpdump or Wireshark to examine the traffic could help to spot the problem. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l35sm9354802yhi.12.2012.11.19.03.00.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 19 Nov 2012 03:00:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3Y4nC20YdKz2CG46 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:00:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:00:29 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Anybody use the Dell 3010?? Message-ID: <20121119060029.76b85120@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20121119114306.ff21baa9.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20121118085838.GA7267@ethic.thought.org> <50AA00BA.1040007@bnrlabs.com> <20121119114306.ff21baa9.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnnruotqkBkNuGSZPJEAHqe/Ulwg//fpEP4IfyQ6h5IwmvzNbY62WXr5N6rzSoXfUd7FV1+ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:00:41 -0000 On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:43:06 +0100 Polytropon articulated: > Allow me to provide just one example: > > More in the series of bizarre UEFI bugs > http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/20187.html That doesn't appear to be a bug. It appears that the code is doing exactly what the designer wanted it to do. At best this was an oversight by the designer; at worse just plain incompetence. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 11:18:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 812DFD72 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:18:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB0F8FC08 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A7FF3CC34 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:18:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAJBIWhC002791 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:18:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:18:32 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anybody use the Dell 3010?? Message-Id: <20121119121832.de248106.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20121119060029.76b85120@scorpio> References: <20121118085838.GA7267@ethic.thought.org> <50AA00BA.1040007@bnrlabs.com> <20121119114306.ff21baa9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121119060029.76b85120@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:18:32 -0000 On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:00:29 -0500, Jerry wrote: > On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:43:06 +0100 > Polytropon articulated: > > > Allow me to provide just one example: > > > > More in the series of bizarre UEFI bugs > > http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/20187.html > > That doesn't appear to be a bug. It appears that the code is doing > exactly what the designer wanted it to do. At best this was an > oversight by the designer; at worse just plain incompetence. That's quite possible. We've seen poorly implemented ACPI behaviour in "modern" BIOS as well, or manufacturers intendedly going "their way" to limit hardware in what it can do or what it will support. It's just my fear that UEFI won't do better per se, and that lazy or incompetent people will screw it up, and make it worse. The article mentions "legacy boot" to restore a somewhat "normal" behaviour... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 12:35:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B297E7FB for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:35:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hexhexing@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pa0-f54.google.com (mail-pa0-f54.google.com [209.85.220.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED3D8FC08 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:35:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id kp6so3511549pab.13 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:35:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=J9q0Py6FCSNpuHsEPVmXlpfsAtYJesLqxQKnVeHo5fc=; b=xeKr79RqDqa2L3ssfTu/A9MRgP2wwTo+oITqCgNnaPPqbj1xq+QFGp1OCeEw2YSPR/ FDQLexeHx4fj6SNpeeXQ+Zo+fwwktdl/VnrbzFIwGy6l+gxIdskV8OyRX1CUqmmEVz95 EKfvaNku0mbFKMmksvPi2cgfcr7isj+8f8U75PWnc4wGJYMLHPDQrydUHu4zL1eEURJc wxyrJE7lshkTI/Of3ntI9V+XfZ7iq18Cd4TYoeTiQ0DE7Ub0wCIZvjyTMTT5guqyrg69 uYHberSGhY1B5qOGvdybtMOVp+4azwk36KvwoVjD1tZpNN9fYwB99n9GZgo6OlmRi5dv vnHA== Received: by 10.68.248.10 with SMTP id yi10mr38497000pbc.39.1353328521051; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:35:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from universe.org ([124.42.116.146]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ug6sm6175017pbc.4.2012.11.19.04.35.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:35:20 -0800 (PST) From: Hexing To: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) Subject: Re: wine-fbsd64 -- no longer in ports References: <50A7F53D.7070408@dreamchaser.org> <50A9823F.9070703@bananmonarki.se> <50aa3bd8.YBUNwRI62fWVDOC2%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:31:45 +0800 In-Reply-To: <50aa3bd8.YBUNwRI62fWVDOC2%perryh@pluto.rain.com> (Perry Hutchison's message of "Sun, 18 Nov 2012 23:02:00 -0800") Message-ID: <86r4npixji.fsf@universe.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd@dreamchaser.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, bah@bananmonarki.se X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:35:21 -0000 perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) writes: > Bernt Hansson wrote: >> On 2012-11-17 21:36, Gary Aitken wrote: >> > # portmaster -n emulators/wine-fbsd64 >> > ===>>> No /usr/ports/emulators/wine-fbsd64 exists, and no information >> > ===>>> about emulators/wine-fbsd64 can be found in /usr/ports/MOVED >> > hints? >> There has never been such a port, you have to install from package. > > Ordinarily, packages are created by building ports. > If this one is an exception, how is it created? I guess that just remove it and install /usr/ports/emulators/wine or /usr/ports/emulators/wine-devel would be OK. The name 'wine-fbsd64' looks strange. You installed it before? and when did you find this name? -- Hello, world! 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[92.242.127.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cg5sm2444760igb.8.2012.11.19.04.47.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:47:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50AA2A6C.8060604@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:47:40 +0200 From: Volodymyr Kostyrko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121116 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ivan Voras Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs Git to ensure repo integrity [was: 2012 incident] References: <20121117221143.41c29ba2@nonamehost> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:47:48 -0000 19.11.2012 14:34, Ivan Voras wrote: > On 17/11/2012 22:48, Chris Rees wrote: > >> (and is GPL btw) > > Since we're discussing it, Mercurial is BSDL-ed, and apparently has > proper crypto signing using GPG: > > http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/FAQ#FAQ.2FTechnicalDetails.How_do_Mercurial_hashes_get_calculated.3F :%s/BSD/LGP/ http://mercurial.selenic.com/about/ -- Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 12:48:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD146E12; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:48:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 396548FC14; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:48:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id l1so6406765vba.13 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:48:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=RWYYZ+qZ60CQJ4ahX6jdItyrCSl7GH+lhI2UP6VW5eo=; b=u8GYOoOrVzS/ADdxt/gqBDl4p9cYdosrWSWzlsYRQPUXDEw0ZGym3H7GYctoY3zfS5 /H9YYkotX2ewjTIwqfS/NTqQ3gtpDIGv1QAfKSlQ74ZzYzRj83qlguZ2L6Lk6cdwnEkt Gs7ZMoN3VGemHvpdhxtrmyu0tExivcljsPN+1Es43l1cX8qG+HFOzTLmkRgxkrZwqjP3 XktUdOGZD4QBk9ahRdOBvho31a1fe6J4faAkBsXyYZoSLuGgwXDDWv1Wt3Qez6yCWzm3 vDYfcrWABbK4d09uQ/J+Tg/Ms5Wq1xQDHSI9dnW1wpMiqq1Tc+SA3wSfa8EkULVXHlQW LYgw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.90.212 with SMTP id by20mr16897257vdb.118.1353329332897; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:48:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.218.35 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:48:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20121117221143.41c29ba2@nonamehost> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:48:52 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs Git to ensure repo integrity [was: 2012 incident] From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Ivan Voras Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:48:56 -0000 On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Ivan Voras wrote: > On 17/11/2012 22:48, Chris Rees wrote: > > > (and is GPL btw) > > Since we're discussing it, Mercurial is BSDL-ed, and apparently has > proper crypto signing using GPG: > > > http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/FAQ#FAQ.2FTechnicalDetails.How_do_Mercurial_hashes_get_calculated.3F > > > http://selenic.com/repo/hg/file/fd903f89e42b http://selenic.com/repo/hg/file/fd903f89e42b/COPYING " GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE Version 2, June 1991 " In their repository , it is GPL v2 . Is there any other place which specifies its license as BSDL ? Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 13:03:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808EC5D7 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:03:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-ia0-f182.google.com (mail-ia0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BA48FC17 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:03:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ia0-f182.google.com with SMTP id x2so4244698iad.13 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:03:26 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=wf3XzInaS+wPea8ZC+WoLDzUOD4GfyeJtlCLwR6XSO0=; b=hB+SaPUqYrlyNRULAf0YC8sMLkycU6d+bW+6lyR0nrv7K+YsFRECZR6SMeSlx+9Dlu SNP68+fzMeYxyX9iLyBi0x/BrwFwbpZNhvi/4wk4ftCCw+2Hb+MnWY3kQ1fEE8X5QnGX V/TW5KkO8B53mV7oujaxJax6O4QxWaDstbLwVRouIH5VEoHJZ3vTldMLf6wWtnVlqoBs V66+/iGQD75PDVjpNBFAVmEF1vNgZ3Rw3Xf0ImH+dlPgvKjdDMAIewVpuzKjIS1gH5op 6N6SiAACs3/qQjsJH8hMwNNBE/P+GRl53UAWhoFmMtYGdOppMppv24e2mmrsId76lxMR 0WXA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.169.102 with SMTP id ad6mr6506033igc.10.1353330206346; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:03:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.49.67 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:03:26 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.171.204] In-Reply-To: <86r4npixji.fsf@universe.org> References: <50A7F53D.7070408@dreamchaser.org> <50A9823F.9070703@bananmonarki.se> <50aa3bd8.YBUNwRI62fWVDOC2%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <86r4npixji.fsf@universe.org> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:03:26 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: wine-fbsd64 -- no longer in ports From: "C. P. Ghost" To: Hexing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmOziGXyfpHErffbPfa/GRPhcuHlRctdGFasAnqwbpJYOgeJhMnSxia1K6TcqIWxYgbhtOn Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:03:27 -0000 On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Hexing wrote: > perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) writes: > >> Bernt Hansson wrote: >>> On 2012-11-17 21:36, Gary Aitken wrote: >>> > # portmaster -n emulators/wine-fbsd64 >>> > ===>>> No /usr/ports/emulators/wine-fbsd64 exists, and no information >>> > ===>>> about emulators/wine-fbsd64 can be found in /usr/ports/MOVED >>> > hints? >>> There has never been such a port, you have to install from package. >> >> Ordinarily, packages are created by building ports. >> If this one is an exception, how is it created? > > I guess that just remove it and install /usr/ports/emulators/wine or > /usr/ports/emulators/wine-devel would be OK. Nope, not for amd64: % grep 'ONLY_FOR_ARCHS' /usr/ports/emulators/wine/Makefile ONLY_FOR_ARCHS= i386 % grep 'ONLY_FOR_ARCHS' /usr/ports/emulators/wine-devel/Makefile ONLY_FOR_ARCHS= i386 The wine and wine-devel ports won't even compile on amd64. There was some guy who claims to have managed creating a binary _package_ for amd64 somehow, and wo sent periodic announcement updates about to this list. I don't know if it was legit or not: I never install stuff bypassing ports. But apparently, he didn't create a _port_, nor did he modify/enhance the current i386-only wine ports. > The name 'wine-fbsd64' looks strange. You installed it before? and > when did you find this name? -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 13:10:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2859B8 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:10:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [66.251.72.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E49A88FC12 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:09:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nber6 (nber6.nber.org [66.251.72.76]) by mail2.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qAJD5k89023459; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 08:05:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:55:16 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Feenberg X-X-Sender: feenberg@nber6 To: Polytropon Subject: Re: Anybody use the Dell 3010?? In-Reply-To: <20121119121832.de248106.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20121118085838.GA7267@ethic.thought.org> <50AA00BA.1040007@bnrlabs.com> <20121119114306.ff21baa9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121119060029.76b85120@scorpio> <20121119121832.de248106.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Anti-Virus: Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux Mail Server 5.6.39/RELEASE, bases: 20121119 #8438307, check: 20121119 clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:10:00 -0000 On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:00:29 -0500, Jerry wrote: >> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:43:06 +0100 >> Polytropon articulated: >> >>> Allow me to provide just one example: >>> >>> More in the series of bizarre UEFI bugs >>> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/20187.html >> >> That doesn't appear to be a bug. It appears that the code is doing >> exactly what the designer wanted it to do. At best this was an >> oversight by the designer; at worse just plain incompetence. > > That's quite possible. We've seen poorly implemented ACPI > behaviour in "modern" BIOS as well, or manufacturers > intendedly going "their way" to limit hardware in what > it can do or what it will support. > > It's just my fear that UEFI won't do better per se, and > that lazy or incompetent people will screw it up, and > make it worse. > > The article mentions "legacy boot" to restore a somewhat > "normal" behaviour... > The only way for FreeBSD (or Linux, for that matter) to survive in a world where hardware vendors care only about Windows, is to make sure that FreeBSD only depends upon features that Windows uses. If a hardware or firmware specification requires feature X, but Windows doesn't use feature X, then vendors won't test feature X, and FreeBSD can't depend on it being functional. So it shouldn't be required by FreeBSD. It can be used, provided it isn't required. In this case it may mean that FreeBSD must identify itself as Windows, just as all browsers identify themselves as IE. You might say this was "enabling" vendors to provide buggy systems, but as long as FreeBSD is small it does not have the power to affect vendors. Insisting on correctness from vendors has no effect when it is FreeBSD doing the insisting. It is only when FreeBSD is more widely used that it can adopt the role of enforcing standards on vendors, and it can not become widely used if it starts insisting on standards prematurely. daniel feenberg > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 13:10:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ADCEA56 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:10:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B3A8FC0C for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id s9so159347iec.13 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:10:40 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=/6RYBNtLoqDMG+mcDy4a6K1DqhuZG0Fv3q3z+ZLc24U=; b=U4AOvav8Q0Vy8M1eUH0iCZK1qU7n+PA6cNdOsBeyko8bU9kSWAdq9abFpDM14tffOg Km2gKeu2z6jvIK+nFgbvy+4GwN7yzt+iVbmd/EvjXi/u6Vh30BG62kBABTi5TEpZSg5x ZDe1qcxxS+19g04321dT+h6k2HBom4dt5tTnJb3b7NELSVYLXmNynkL75waCmJ/f7Ehe unRMuKsJLjBM2QGyOptXV8ZElQunV2KeQO6Ou0efB6QaOCadfpv6tlM0YE3aiEKpluHs X7lFAPP24JVJ95POQjernn7RmpSNE2rrVQ0makrfXDQqu+5Ai50GEOooKiBD1eppgG7f XbMQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.140.103 with SMTP id rf7mr6448795igb.56.1353330640756; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:10:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.49.67 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:10:40 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.171.204] In-Reply-To: <50AA2A6C.8060604@gmail.com> References: <20121117221143.41c29ba2@nonamehost> <50AA2A6C.8060604@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:10:40 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs Git to ensure repo integrity [was: 2012 incident] From: "C. P. Ghost" To: Volodymyr Kostyrko Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlDoO/vAmwCszb02vmt0XRTuMsIgEZtKhV7cBroEI4ASbwDny1/WLKXKleB7mRUerEWW7Xx Cc: freebsd-security@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Ivan Voras , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:10:42 -0000 On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote: > 19.11.2012 14:34, Ivan Voras wrote: >> >> On 17/11/2012 22:48, Chris Rees wrote: >> >>> (and is GPL btw) >> >> >> Since we're discussing it, Mercurial is BSDL-ed, and apparently has >> proper crypto signing using GPG: >> >> >> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/FAQ#FAQ.2FTechnicalDetails.How_do_Mercurial_hashes_get_calculated.3F > > > :%s/BSD/LGP/ > > http://mercurial.selenic.com/about/ Even if it was BSD licensed, Mercurial has a huge dependency: Python; and Git is Perl-based. So neither of them is ideal, IMHO. If at all, we'd need a lean and mean distributed SCM program like Mercurial or Git, but written in C that we could add to base. Any volunteers? -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 13:18:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBAEF174; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:18:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416788FC14; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:18:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id fo13so6572038vcb.13 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:18:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=e44nTj0gNhviH1QGqQQ1w/ZuGlBOwxAZDYMwbCG+9IM=; b=oyFr5jqUrVWtF3N7h5TfJBPCez3YfxtYaYp9KWzsgeGdd2069O7XwM/d29OaDChk6G pIsfpYMpMhBt70NcnENl+ld78O8OWaidBYBtL/j/7jbnoh/tMBzo8fWBHeZ872kU7gbO V++FhGnslTq3+SnVPpK1qwAkjYxJ/CoDHLg2IRpfzPnZ0wBfzQYD24JV7c/QkJ2Fbtol fAW/tmh9ZSAUFyXo7Lz9XRC1oQ1Kkm5o1LNdo0JG2OK9RG/glZJ+VvXgf7pHIzqQbeUD 99MPC/ysMQTqE1TiIz7bCMS2YC2+PrkfR1eHb5e4o/mOrf5Dxvfq4HmC6HjT37xtDkw+ i6cA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.161.113 with SMTP id xr17mr17169363veb.3.1353331081128; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:18:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.218.35 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:18:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20121117221143.41c29ba2@nonamehost> <50AA2A6C.8060604@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:18:01 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs Git to ensure repo integrity [was: 2012 incident] From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: "C. P. Ghost" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:28:40 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-security@freebsd.org, Volodymyr Kostyrko , Ivan Voras , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:18:03 -0000 On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:10 AM, C. P. Ghost wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Volodymyr Kostyrko > wrote: > > 19.11.2012 14:34, Ivan Voras wrote: > >> > >> On 17/11/2012 22:48, Chris Rees wrote: > >> > >>> (and is GPL btw) > >> > >> > >> Since we're discussing it, Mercurial is BSDL-ed, and apparently has > >> proper crypto signing using GPG: > >> > >> > >> > http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/FAQ#FAQ.2FTechnicalDetails.How_do_Mercurial_hashes_get_calculated.3F > > > > > > :%s/BSD/LGP/ > > > > http://mercurial.selenic.com/about/ > > Even if it was BSD licensed, Mercurial has a huge dependency: > Python; and Git is Perl-based. So neither of them is ideal, IMHO. > If at all, we'd need a lean and mean distributed SCM program > like Mercurial or Git, but written in C that we could add to base. > Any volunteers? > > -cpghost. > > -- > Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ > http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/License http://selenic.com/hg/file/tip/COPYING http://mercurial.selenic.com/about/ "Mercurial is free software licensed under the terms of the GNU General Public License Version 2 or any later version." No one of them above mentions "BSD license" , or "dual license" , etc. Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Similar projects From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 13:33:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E5AA8D for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:33:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from c.kworr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008558FC16 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:33:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id s9so205172iec.13 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:33:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Fk323x541MWHW3LAB6cTZsIq3C4ttSOtE/xYPynm2gE=; b=0fWd5leShnieG+lxZNKtGim8KS/RdZrngu4nA4650SNgsx3tflt0sLgfPEb56DbKK5 fZNheBBNo2ESaQCtHCgLhTdPa/9w/8/xzO8lfFrdezZFwK1grsyc54sjZn9ZDI0o4AXr IfdnPHTVcW7rm/NW8DU7EjRvBiIJKDGUS1f6HOLq5rOsZNznB0V6X4euRd7Fcs3AwCZ/ IHtyezCtK3cOPOfsb/JDsm4LQoeHzUPxtyljULUvwdarcN5p1gBefzCuftSkKbtkANdh ijTLHdqN/bq68TG/aW70iq84XMqXv7JrdFuu7uxjKTopNfv/+hjp+zm9VjQ3+2rXxZRK 9geg== Received: by 10.43.97.8 with SMTP id ci8mr11017959icc.28.1353332018306; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:33:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.132] (mau.donbass.com. [92.242.127.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ff4sm6975597igc.13.2012.11.19.05.33.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:33:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50AA3526.5090201@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:33:26 +0200 From: Volodymyr Kostyrko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121116 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "C. P. Ghost" Subject: Re: wine-fbsd64 -- no longer in ports References: <50A7F53D.7070408@dreamchaser.org> <50A9823F.9070703@bananmonarki.se> <50aa3bd8.YBUNwRI62fWVDOC2%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <86r4npixji.fsf@universe.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Hexing , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:33:39 -0000 any 19.11.2012 15:03, C. P. Ghost wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Hexing wrote: >> perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) writes: >> >>> Bernt Hansson wrote: >>>> On 2012-11-17 21:36, Gary Aitken wrote: >>>>> # portmaster -n emulators/wine-fbsd64 >>>>> ===>>> No /usr/ports/emulators/wine-fbsd64 exists, and no information >>>>> ===>>> about emulators/wine-fbsd64 can be found in /usr/ports/MOVED >>>>> hints? >>>> There has never been such a port, you have to install from package. >>> >>> Ordinarily, packages are created by building ports. >>> If this one is an exception, how is it created? >> >> I guess that just remove it and install /usr/ports/emulators/wine or >> /usr/ports/emulators/wine-devel would be OK. > > Nope, not for amd64: > > % grep 'ONLY_FOR_ARCHS' /usr/ports/emulators/wine/Makefile > ONLY_FOR_ARCHS= i386 > % grep 'ONLY_FOR_ARCHS' /usr/ports/emulators/wine-devel/Makefile > ONLY_FOR_ARCHS= i386 > > The wine and wine-devel ports won't even compile on amd64. > > There was some guy who claims to have managed creating a > binary _package_ for amd64 somehow, and wo sent periodic > announcement updates about to this list. I don't know if it was > legit or not: I never install stuff bypassing ports. But apparently, > he didn't create a _port_, nor did he modify/enhance the current > i386-only wine ports. He does created a port but didn't like to commit it into ports as this one gobbles all libraries that wine depend upon from local system and other installed ports and installs them as part of wine-fbsd64. And this is not good from a security/maintainability perspective yet it gives everyone a choice to use wine on amd64 machine. The port is freely available and regularly updated on mediafire with guides on how someone can make this package himself without downloading binaries compiled by some third party. -- Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 13:39:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BACBCA9 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:39:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 329678FC0C for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:39:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id l1so6473785vba.13 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:39:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=+8i/wzqMWhZ95GfNs04vPuNaVx+WReH2E/wemGZ0KqU=; b=P/lRNO6nam4obOwZLXRlal2bNDOGaI65roMk/o49h96F4C8p2SBV6qlmw0Sm117tGd 8jqMPuzf0AkOVt+JB/jcAj4d8/ZchQkqa21U6UPsYm6Mk0NjcQRPEn9zDN/ptKRy/Dj3 wAxzXpRsfAByak3JkPivTcZpdbqmIeFiuSELpj4Q1ZEoqipzGm6YFYBWp9UD6/4Rydmp l8cmFHIndqp5cM93Cj8DcQBNXBEkjMsXY7kQ9cn3yk+K9WQmpB/euFCUFH0aZw5UKayf zK2xHgu6XUyVaxb46rVEuYMON8E2ln9VVlARTZvVMIxTuVTodpWAhxsgbcaI/FZ2BbNv rt3w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.156.77 with SMTP id v13mr18595799vcw.62.1353332398248; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:39:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.218.35 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:39:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20121118085838.GA7267@ethic.thought.org> <50AA00BA.1040007@bnrlabs.com> <20121119114306.ff21baa9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121119060029.76b85120@scorpio> <20121119121832.de248106.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:39:58 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Anybody use the Dell 3010?? From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Daniel Feenberg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:39:59 -0000 On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > > > On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Polytropon wrote: > > On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:00:29 -0500, Jerry wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:43:06 +0100 >>> Polytropon articulated: >>> >>> Allow me to provide just one example: >>>> >>>> More in the series of bizarre UEFI bugs >>>> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/**20187.html >>>> >>> >>> That doesn't appear to be a bug. It appears that the code is doing >>> exactly what the designer wanted it to do. At best this was an >>> oversight by the designer; at worse just plain incompetence. >>> >> >> That's quite possible. We've seen poorly implemented ACPI >> behaviour in "modern" BIOS as well, or manufacturers >> intendedly going "their way" to limit hardware in what >> it can do or what it will support. >> >> It's just my fear that UEFI won't do better per se, and >> that lazy or incompetent people will screw it up, and >> make it worse. >> >> The article mentions "legacy boot" to restore a somewhat >> "normal" behaviour... >> >> > The only way for FreeBSD (or Linux, for that matter) to survive > in a world where hardware vendors care only about Windows, is > to make sure that FreeBSD only depends upon features that Windows > uses. If a hardware or firmware specification requires feature X, > but Windows doesn't use feature X, then vendors won't test feature > X, and FreeBSD can't depend on it being functional. So it shouldn't > be required by FreeBSD. It can be used, provided it isn't required. > In this case it may mean that FreeBSD must identify itself as > Windows, just as all browsers identify themselves as IE. > The above paragraph is completely meaningless , because neither *BSD , nor Linux is a marginal operating system . Please see http://www.top500.org/statistics/list/ Select from this "Operating System Family" where in world's 500 super computers , Windows is on ONLY 3 computers , the rest is almost Linux 469 , Unix 20 , BSD-based 1 computers and others . http://www.asus.com/Static_WebPage/OS_Compatibility/ http://www.asus.com/websites/global/aboutasus/OS/Linux.pdf contains Linux distributions supported in ASUS desktop boards . Some trade marked servers excluded , Linux and *BSD run on many server hardware . By not considering these and then saying that *BSD and Linux should follow foot steps of some one is not acceptable . The problem is there is NO any compatible hardware list for FreeBSD maintained continuously . Another problem is vendors are not supplying manuals about their hardware for whatever the reason is which is making to write drivers for them nearly impossible . In such cases , the users should seek compatible hardware without entrapped into proprietary to one operating system hardware . > > You might say this was "enabling" vendors to provide buggy systems, > but as long as FreeBSD is small it does not have the power to affect > vendors. Insisting on correctness from vendors has no effect when > it is FreeBSD doing the insisting. It is only when FreeBSD is more > widely used that it can adopt the role of enforcing standards on > vendors, and it can not become widely used if it starts insisting > on standards prematurely. > > daniel feenberg > > > >> >> -- >> Polytropon >> Magdeburg, Germany >> Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 >> Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... >> > Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 13:42:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC2CEA2 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:42:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from t.mueller1@insightbb.com) Received: from mail.insightbb.com (smtp2.insight.synacor.com [208.47.185.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B7DD8FC14 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:42:46 +0000 (UTC) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=O+27TWBW c=1 sm=0 a=Dm9TOXL4taQ+Gy1KovpL+A==:17 a=0lvjfUfQ8tIA:10 a=jLN7EqiLvroA:10 a=9YQ-1ebCAAAA:8 a=KwsgWi8H5mwA:10 a=zMRIARwpAAAA:8 a=R6QcpChACxYXcoyv2YUA:9 a=OCAqPxjDzhQA:10 a=Dm9TOXL4taQ+Gy1KovpL+A==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.insight.synacor.com smtp.mail=t.mueller1@insightbb.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp02.insight.synacor.com header.from=mueller23@insightbb.com; sender-id=softfail Received-SPF: softfail (smtp02.insight.synacor.com: transitional domain insightbb.com does not designate 74.130.198.7 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.130.198.7] ([74.130.198.7:49218] helo=localhost) by mail.insightbb.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTP id 66/88-25607-0573AA05; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 08:42:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 08:42:40 -0500 Message-ID: <66.88.25607.0573AA05@smtp02.insight.synacor.com> From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dd command: BSD analog of conv=fsync? Cc: Dan Nelson X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:42:47 -0000 > In the last episode (Nov 18), Thomas Mueller said: > > What is the (Free)BSD counterpart of conv=fsync in dd command? > > Command in question is > > dd if=GNOME-3.6.0.iso of=/dev/DRIVE bs=8M conv=fsync > > This is for writing to a USB stick, and of course DRIVE is replaced by the > > actual device node; also I believe bs=8M, good for Linux, would be bs=8m > > in FreeBSD. > > I don't really know if "conv=fsync" is necessary, but that's what was > > advised in the GNOME test-drive download page. > It isn't. Writing to raw devices in FreeBSD immediately writes to the > physical media. No flushing is needed. > -- > Dan Nelson > dnelson@allantgroup.com I was able to dd GNOME-3.6.0.iso to that USB stick, a discontinued Kingston Data Traveler model that was inaccessible to NetBSD until they fixed that USB bug recently. I got CAM SCSI error messages in FreeBSD, couldn't access the USB stick in the normal way, but apparently dd worked. These particular Kingston Data Travelers worked normally with previous builds of FreeBSD. That USB stick proved bootable, so I got a test drive of GNOME 3.6.0. I had a difficult time finding my way around the graphical interface,. When I got to a command prompt, I found first there was no nslookup, and then found there was no man command. I thought these were a standard part of (quasi-)Unix OSes. I didn't really get a good impression. Also, the print/text was very small, a recipe for eyestrain. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 13:40:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99544D96; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:40:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yerenkow@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2195F8FC19; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:40:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 16so6115166obc.13 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:40:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=nXOYt6w37svRL85hqtaDOmxE37Yu3ojBP8SRzn0F6Ag=; b=g2l6z5a0n/lyhJ/7s2tYdnyYOr2+x95djZGKTdMe0S8L8NPvLJBljtl2kj9gCiJ9pk HO/vN1qKftoWeEknShRHcXSXlj0MobSmoerOvxczpISziaNkl2eMM34sl91QPcm+zhGZ qsUqvjHD5QXLt1kNOSO5vvH3DPEyIhUO322CIhOqx1Ej/wCJujF0ANZMdbIfrNb7m5CE ojRrAcKjSW1uZdjZC1sa9tP81nUyg3fIuum6lzSvFYhYK19ieLx/hNAHXyGxf7igFVgv 4EhjqKRSppwa01dZ4bpgqONUmWUKD1zej0xTA9Zi7l85dQSCn+0f4nu+bRxUsP4yBXWJ zdKg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.160.65 with SMTP id xi1mr10402238obb.49.1353332433710; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:40:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.132.50 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:40:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20121117221143.41c29ba2@nonamehost> <50AA2A6C.8060604@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:40:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs Git to ensure repo integrity [was: 2012 incident] From: Alexander Yerenkow To: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:58:24 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: "C. P. Ghost" , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Volodymyr Kostyrko , freebsd-security@freebsd.org, Ivan Voras , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:40:35 -0000 http://www.fossil-scm.org/ I'm not fossil user, but it's BSD licensed in written in C. Baptise Daroussin probably could tell us more about fossil pro and cons. -- Regards, Alexander Yerenkow From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 14:22:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79FCF96C for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:22:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (24-240-198-187.static.stls.mo.charter.com [24.240.198.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E818FC16 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.dweimer.net (webmail.dweimer.net [192.168.5.1]) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAJEMDcp015828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 08:22:13 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 08:22:13 -0600 From: dweimer To: Subject: Re: dd command: BSD analog of =?UTF-8?Q?conv=3Dfsync=3F?= Organization: dweimer.net Mail-Reply-To: In-Reply-To: <66.88.25607.0573AA05@smtp02.insight.synacor.com> References: <66.88.25607.0573AA05@smtp02.insight.synacor.com> Message-ID: X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:22:20 -0000 On 2012-11-19 07:42, Thomas Mueller wrote: >> In the last episode (Nov 18), Thomas Mueller said: >> > What is the (Free)BSD counterpart of conv=fsync in dd command? > >> > Command in question is > >> > dd if=GNOME-3.6.0.iso of=/dev/DRIVE bs=8M conv=fsync > >> > This is for writing to a USB stick, and of course DRIVE is >> replaced by the >> > actual device node; also I believe bs=8M, good for Linux, would be >> bs=8m >> > in FreeBSD. > >> > I don't really know if "conv=fsync" is necessary, but that's what >> was >> > advised in the GNOME test-drive download page. > >> It isn't. Writing to raw devices in FreeBSD immediately writes to >> the >> physical media. No flushing is needed. > >> -- >> Dan Nelson >> dnelson@allantgroup.com > > I was able to dd GNOME-3.6.0.iso to that USB stick, a discontinued > Kingston > Data Traveler model that was inaccessible to NetBSD until they fixed > that > USB bug recently. I got CAM SCSI error messages in FreeBSD, couldn't > access > the USB stick in the normal way, but apparently dd worked. These > particular > Kingston Data Travelers worked normally with previous builds of > FreeBSD. > > That USB stick proved bootable, so I got a test drive of GNOME 3.6.0. > > I had a difficult time finding my way around the graphical > interface,. When > I got to a command prompt, I found first there was no nslookup, and > then found > there was no man command. I thought these were a standard part of > (quasi-)Unix > OSes. I didn't really get a good impression. Also, the print/text > was very > small, a recipe for eyestrain. > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Some Linux distributions tried doing away with nslookup in favor of dig a while back, most have added it back in though. However it looks like you found something that hasn't put it back in. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 15:22:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7CF9E9B for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:22:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8721B8FC13 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:22:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TaTAr-0002Ri-EZ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:22:13 +0100 Received: from 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl ([79.139.19.75]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:22:13 +0100 Received: from jb.1234abcd by 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:22:13 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Subject: portsnap Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:21:19 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 41 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:16.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/16.0) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:22:15 -0000 Hi, have i caught portsnap with its pants down ? # rm -rf /usr/ports # portsnap fetch update Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 6 mirrors found. Fetching snapshot tag from ec2-eu-west-1.portsnap.freebsd.org... done. Fetching snapshot metadata... done. Updating from Sun Nov 11 15:54:03 CET 2012 to Mon Nov 19 15:34:57 CET 2012. Fetching 4 metadata patches... done. Applying metadata patches... done. Fetching 0 metadata files... done. Fetching 24085 patches.....10....20....30....40....50....60....70....80....90... ... 0....24060....24070....24080.. done. Applying patches... done. Fetching 18 new ports or files... done. /usr/ports was not created by portsnap. You must run 'portsnap extract' before running 'portsnap update'. # # ls /usr/ports ls: /usr/ports: No such file or directory # # ls -al /var/db/portsnap/ total 6144 drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512 Nov 19 16:04 . drwxr-xr-x 11 root wheel 512 Nov 4 11:07 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 2063752 Nov 19 15:51 INDEX drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 4113920 Nov 19 16:04 files -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 451 Oct 16 22:50 pub.ssl -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 284 Nov 19 15:51 serverlist -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 284 Nov 19 15:51 serverlist_full -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 48 Nov 19 15:51 serverlist_tried -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 527 Nov 19 15:51 tINDEX -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 85 Nov 19 15:51 tag So, why did it do so much work (ca. 5 min, 24085 patches), even claiming to have applied patches, before telling me the env was not properly set up ? jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 15:41:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D90CA17 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:41:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [66.251.72.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 029F08FC14 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:41:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nber6 (nber6.nber.org [66.251.72.76]) by mail2.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qAJFfExN073160; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:41:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:30:44 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Feenberg X-X-Sender: feenberg@nber6 To: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Subject: Re: Anybody use the Dell 3010?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20121118085838.GA7267@ethic.thought.org> <50AA00BA.1040007@bnrlabs.com> <20121119114306.ff21baa9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121119060029.76b85120@scorpio> <20121119121832.de248106.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Anti-Virus: Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux Mail Server 5.6.39/RELEASE, bases: 20121119 #8441341, check: 20121119 clean Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:41:26 -0000 On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Polytropon wrote: >> >> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:00:29 -0500, Jerry wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:43:06 +0100 >>>> Polytropon articulated: >>>> >>>> Allow me to provide just one example: >>>>> >>>>> More in the series of bizarre UEFI bugs >>>>> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/**20187.html >>>>> >>> >>> >> The only way for FreeBSD (or Linux, for that matter) to survive >> in a world where hardware vendors care only about Windows, is >> to make sure that FreeBSD only depends upon features that Windows >> uses. If a hardware or firmware specification requires feature X, >> but Windows doesn't use feature X, then vendors won't test feature >> X, and FreeBSD can't depend on it being functional. So it shouldn't >> be required by FreeBSD. It can be used, provided it isn't required. >> In this case it may mean that FreeBSD must identify itself as >> Windows, just as all browsers identify themselves as IE. >> > > > The above paragraph is completely meaningless , because neither *BSD , nor > Linux > is a marginal operating system . > > Please see > > http://www.top500.org/statistics/list/ > > > Select from this "Operating System Family" > where in world's 500 super computers , Windows is on ONLY 3 computers , the > rest is > almost Linux 469 , Unix 20 , BSD-based 1 computers and others . > > http://www.asus.com/Static_WebPage/OS_Compatibility/ > http://www.asus.com/websites/global/aboutasus/OS/Linux.pdf > contains Linux distributions supported in ASUS desktop boards . > > Some trade marked servers excluded , Linux and *BSD run on many server > hardware . > It isn't what vendors should care about. I agree they should care about FreeBSD. But by and large they don't. Arguing that they should serves no purpose. They have poor moral character, that is why they don't care and also why they are impervious to argument, except from large customers. The handful of server vendors that are exceptions do not detract from the force of my argument. daniel feenberg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 15:51:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A0EC77 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:51:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B0E8FC0C for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bk0-f54.google.com with SMTP id je9so1292270bkc.13 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:51:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=u0DGLmZ+pgTwwi82VbUkhbrjPkF4AwxuGyRUpuuG/0Y=; b=T5+cztdxhm9ORD5WPCz+OQTtvzfHqku+UO1MC4pJywv0FzO7qOeJS1pFZ1g8/NN6PK 9q/5FdsZrgEiLa3YXF1USEbjNLVzMqYCzbnHujmOQqNZ43z79DqjiVh4WyvSmfwxhOrO kSNU3WHM/U5gJPFKMEPq/LiQEfN0PJs0T7hQ4//RVSAzgVfGI8y8JKEyonqWgGXVbAJu YFl7S9RHlxZlC4FMqpxYx3r5LVJy3ftkVJTX6xxE1L4Q5hpcIU2cZ63n2HlRrudAkTpd YbScNH+nFuakgdyg2ofkFtPSpWV61wYfouRVkcqws5cqzbBc93wFNiHmr2BHK4R5Gcj6 OfJw== Received: by 10.204.151.21 with SMTP id a21mr5020738bkw.124.1353340303893; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:51:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v14sm4867514bkv.10.2012.11.19.07.51.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:51:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:51:41 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portsnap Message-ID: <20121119155141.46107723@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:51:51 -0000 On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:21:19 +0000 (UTC) jb wrote: > Hi, > have i caught portsnap with its pants down ? > > # rm -rf /usr/ports > # portsnap fetch update > Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 6 mirrors found. > Fetching snapshot tag from ec2-eu-west-1.portsnap.freebsd.org... done. > Fetching snapshot metadata... done. > Updating from Sun Nov 11 15:54:03 CET 2012 to Mon Nov 19 15:34:57 CET > 2012. Fetching 4 metadata patches... done. > Applying metadata patches... done. > Fetching 0 metadata files... done. > Fetching 24085 > patches.....10....20....30....40....50....60....70....80....90... ... > 0....24060....24070....24080.. done. > Applying patches... done. > Fetching 18 new ports or files... done. > /usr/ports was not created by portsnap. > You must run 'portsnap extract' before running 'portsnap update'. > # > # ls /usr/ports > ls: /usr/ports: No such file or directory > # > > ... > So, why did it do so much work (ca. 5 min, 24085 patches), even > claiming to have applied patches, before telling me the env was not > properly set up ? jb You gave portsnap two commands - one succeeded and the other failed. "fetch" downloads and applies patches to the compressed snapshot. "update" uses the compressed snapshot to update a pre-existing ports tree created by an "extract" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 16:11:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C6C328 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:11:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785398FC13 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:11:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TaTwE-00039i-1F for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:11:10 +0100 Received: from 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl ([79.139.19.75]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:11:09 +0100 Received: from jb.1234abcd by 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:11:09 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Subject: Re: portsnap Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:10:48 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <20121119155141.46107723@gumby.homeunix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:16.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/16.0) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:11:07 -0000 RW googlemail.com> writes: > ... > > ... > > So, why did it do so much work (ca. 5 min, 24085 patches), even > > claiming to have applied patches, before telling me the env was not > > properly set up ? jb > > You gave portsnap two commands - one succeeded and the other failed. > > "fetch" downloads and applies patches to the compressed > snapshot. "update" uses the compressed snapshot to update a > pre-existing ports tree created by an "extract" > ... OK. But this looks like a flaky entry validation - it should be rejected up front as invalid entry, even if it applied to the second part - "update". Because the effect of processing the entire entry "fetch" plus "update" is lost anyway. jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 17:05:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25307A8 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:05:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hexhexing@gmail.com) Received: from mail-da0-f54.google.com (mail-da0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B6C68FC0C for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:05:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-da0-f54.google.com with SMTP id n2so118499dad.13 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:05:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=rh7cd1ZZLXdIvakDLr8UUAM0IvgQd191xSCv20gjFeE=; b=HnRqbV2118K7zIAaOremp7o9JJ0fwU7dSP3j+w+yfAg6qnAXRXwVw5Mv1DYIUqMyMi NSTPzuLP4HfAun9cCSKyzb7zGm01zBiGxKWSAbqMe2ZKJcw424y1KYJxHwAeYT+L4to6 hGXvqcscfJBAMHegKgmLUTmc6kcI5xohZ6NhQNBPlqIhJsmgSvW/9gegQbgOjZZeLZts GCWv8pEp9HlQzHRcO+V82fUtHDGSvuOz2H2pllalvognP8NQr3hdM8mkHGbCrMGh9aTF 4hQtdQ4ErQd+nlwseySSsl4L2+ELCEMyhd/H10lsRt9r0wVZ8A7ysvbi4GMqS0ujE/t5 B7Jg== Received: by 10.66.72.225 with SMTP id g1mr17038pav.79.1353344716363; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:05:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from universe.org ([124.42.116.146]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id sw1sm6477802pbc.75.2012.11.19.09.05.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:05:15 -0800 (PST) From: Hexing To: "C. P. Ghost" Subject: Re: wine-fbsd64 -- no longer in ports References: <50A7F53D.7070408@dreamchaser.org> <50A9823F.9070703@bananmonarki.se> <50aa3bd8.YBUNwRI62fWVDOC2%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <86r4npixji.fsf@universe.org> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:01:45 +0800 In-Reply-To: (C. P. Ghost's message of "Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:03:26 +0100") Message-ID: <86ehjpil1i.fsf@universe.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:05:22 -0000 "C. P. Ghost" writes: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Hexing wrote: >> I guess that just remove it and install /usr/ports/emulators/wine or >> /usr/ports/emulators/wine-devel would be OK. > > Nope, not for amd64: > > % grep 'ONLY_FOR_ARCHS' /usr/ports/emulators/wine/Makefile > ONLY_FOR_ARCHS= i386 > % grep 'ONLY_FOR_ARCHS' /usr/ports/emulators/wine-devel/Makefile > ONLY_FOR_ARCHS= i386 > > The wine and wine-devel ports won't even compile on amd64. > > There was some guy who claims to have managed creating a > binary _package_ for amd64 somehow, and wo sent periodic > announcement updates about to this list. I don't know if it was > legit or not: I never install stuff bypassing ports. But apparently, > he didn't create a _port_, nor did he modify/enhance the current > i386-only wine ports. > >> The name 'wine-fbsd64' looks strange. You installed it before? and >> when did you find this name? > > -cpghost. Oh, I didn't know that and never try to install wine before. Thanks for your information. -- Hello, world! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 18:40:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B168802 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:40:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98188FC1B for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:40:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id qAJIe0nE052511 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:40:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <50AA7D00.2070300@dreamchaser.org> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:40:00 -0700 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121116 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: dump date and use of -r or -R Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:40:00 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:40:07 -0000 hmmm... I used -R when doing a dump, and I see the dump date is recorded as 1969. Does that mean an incremental dump will dump the whole thing again? on a related note, if dumping to a file and not a linear media such as physical tape, is there any real reason to use -r or -R? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 18:41:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D78EF966 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:41:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A068FC12 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:41:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id s9so920203iec.13 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:41:31 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=FNudWmukxGS4iaYcu1HvKpVT+KC6wQ6yKZW7vERPljw=; b=GGefq7mujWAwpJprhthz2Nb+MYFPIkZY9AF4ncBTHTCSSNZvsG3ANDNLRUAY9duiVW W9aW2RNnqNk6EqddoEHFJtQj7t8RW7he1MU/yfekw5Y47cqbyQtYDZA7DIBzj5J1O9Jb 60d9Rv5zSOvsaEErJG0+PPa7u6ykbk0avLRKwvZ8eoXLhadQT7qdYXb/aGzEV+9fwpCA bDWExg0JeAZsh4iVHRWg3eBH+s0TiIQtSjU1c1HKqw/41kMpRonfLTUaR2uq1MSXx0+0 B6qWcDuwpx2eRsbfdL/bP7SArYbKZi24kyeBsWwwZy5RaXIkZD9MUmzH1OYHMZCWq9Ui 1iXQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.220.166 with SMTP id px6mr7451320igc.8.1353350491541; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:41:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.49.67 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:41:31 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.171.204] In-Reply-To: <86ehjpil1i.fsf@universe.org> References: <50A7F53D.7070408@dreamchaser.org> <50A9823F.9070703@bananmonarki.se> <50aa3bd8.YBUNwRI62fWVDOC2%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <86r4npixji.fsf@universe.org> <86ehjpil1i.fsf@universe.org> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:41:31 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: wine-fbsd64 -- no longer in ports From: "C. P. Ghost" To: Hexing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnuAuk3kTShWIA18+zUpztyuxQcJytsCgwy8nTjSKthUyPlX75RszTTeIuzVMe1ZwLfZlh2 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:41:32 -0000 On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Hexing wrote: > "C. P. Ghost" writes: > >> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Hexing wrote: >>> I guess that just remove it and install /usr/ports/emulators/wine or >>> /usr/ports/emulators/wine-devel would be OK. >> >> Nope, not for amd64: >> >> % grep 'ONLY_FOR_ARCHS' /usr/ports/emulators/wine/Makefile >> ONLY_FOR_ARCHS= i386 >> % grep 'ONLY_FOR_ARCHS' /usr/ports/emulators/wine-devel/Makefile >> ONLY_FOR_ARCHS= i386 >> >> The wine and wine-devel ports won't even compile on amd64. >> >> There was some guy who claims to have managed creating a >> binary _package_ for amd64 somehow, and wo sent periodic >> announcement updates about to this list. I don't know if it was >> legit or not: I never install stuff bypassing ports. But apparently, >> he didn't create a _port_, nor did he modify/enhance the current >> i386-only wine ports. >> >>> The name 'wine-fbsd64' looks strange. You installed it before? and >>> when did you find this name? >> >> -cpghost. > > Oh, I didn't know that and never try to install wine before. Thanks for > your information. Volodymyr has pointed out that this was a port (and not a binary package) that never got committed. As a port, you can examine precisely what it does and it may be worth a try if you feel that it doesn't mess with your installation and doesn't compromise it. I didn't try it, can't say anything at all about it. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 19:20:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE58D6C for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:20:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9E58FC12 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:20:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bk0-f54.google.com with SMTP id je9so1411901bkc.13 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:20:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fa5hI3vbUccUTqorFdPlX+DTdLzlXlmXj2WktwV4PiU=; b=pKmAVR+EpuX4RMcUpxqbp+YixCMQ8f9pxdPCX2b2xeHLg7GuvoGK2fRBM2Qst4PsVM rJ/KDhqk9mppnuKaI03lEvg+By6gZMtxpiYQtRrGYUqbRRX2fFA3wzgMKeVy4h7zDrd6 ACEG2cQ1G+GJnT0jK5YefZcmld8N5azl234Dieju2AN1bKqjv8z/BwdEXpDEilPQE4bg Hi8LVDJr0FjuXQPUwGjvbVq5ER9viICJQtBFTOX4TkqbY4wUCfW0Xk8Cwpe6LA0pPn0w mrPCkbkFXqAcaN4KlAOIm2dWe85b+UQdcM+1o+wYxDxVkoSP6w+hjfOBiq56aAlrhjwX PW3w== Received: by 10.205.130.9 with SMTP id hk9mr5291062bkc.52.1353352803525; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:20:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 1sm5439302bks.3.2012.11.19.11.20.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:20:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:20:00 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portsnap Message-ID: <20121119192000.0e2abfab@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20121119155141.46107723@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:20:05 -0000 On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:10:48 +0000 (UTC) jb wrote: > > You gave portsnap two commands - one succeeded and the other failed. > > > > "fetch" downloads and applies patches to the compressed > > snapshot. "update" uses the compressed snapshot to update a > > pre-existing ports tree created by an "extract" > > ... > > OK. > But this looks like a flaky entry validation - it should be rejected > up front as invalid entry, even if it applied to the second part - > "update". Because the effect of processing the entire entry "fetch" > plus "update" is lost anyway. Not isn't, you've brought the snapshot up to date. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 19:21:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CFBE29 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:21:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from moku60.aloha50.net (moku60.aloha50.net [66.180.132.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A978FC15 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:21:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by moku60.aloha50.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7929517010; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:21:46 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <50AA86C9.6000204@hdk5.net> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:21:45 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ajtiM Subject: Re: skype References: <201211181245.54986.lumiwa@gmail.com> <20121118185713.GA1267@tiny.Sisis.de> <201211181549.01959.lumiwa@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <201211181549.01959.lumiwa@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: noc@hdk5.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:21:54 -0000 ajtiM wrote: > On Sunday 18 November 2012 12:57:14 Matthias Apitz wrote: >> El día Sunday, November 18, 2012 a las 12:45:54PM -0600, ajtiM escribió: >>> When using Skype on FreeBSD (.1-RC3, the call often (every 1-5 minutes) >>> gets disconnected or better I hear but the other side doesn't hear me >>> >>> If I remember correct kern.hz=100 in loader.conf solved this problem >>> before I I had this line but it doesn't help me. >>> I have Skype-2.1.0.81 installed. >> I know that this does not help much, but I'm using the same Sk in >> 10-CURRENT very often (also with video), and do not face this problem. Are >> yo sure that this is caused by FreeBSD or at your end of the call at all? >> >> matthias > > I am sure that is a problem on my side. Mitja , I have noticed that skype drops at "irregular" intervals from some locations that we reach on a regular basis. We know this is bad lines at the other end. Some small communities may limit or time out certain areas. (My brother in law is a small town official in this specific area and he says everybody complains about it.) If your getting it on all calls you may possibly have bad lines on your side. Check to see if any friends experience the same issues on other OS. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 19:34:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2463BAF3 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:34:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from snow.mountains.4@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pa0-f54.google.com (mail-pa0-f54.google.com [209.85.220.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5BCE8FC08 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id kp6so3781893pab.13 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:34:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=4SCBft6zUEWA9Bl9JZDQA8nEgEWm6iZXbzJfRMdk+Ts=; b=L2wHuHDN8JbrsmrHB+g93p0ndZu3yvjA5yO7ncUwumwuYJeSJ53EQfnQPYM74KY1P7 XHm68Ww7Q2tZ7sYSjt2sDLsHggQZcvHJNlitsIbdzCrD9PyLemiKswkk93VvcBFoyQ+p 4kRmfxoyEvi3JAvNEQTInOvbfhvjaBjkJOkc0LPfSmc1DakvUSj79QIOQelyx4Tp2zdB uFgHYQRoRYCHSS/1IBGTaxYVjsK0zIB1BBCTGPj5dYS3xuXMf7CrJ02C0kePvE5ijH7L Hak5IoXUpl7oK0DqsX4jcK3Enc/RMjNeCnh37OYckK5YHt6UuluekllHhI8MUD2H2iGS 3rpQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.247.39 with SMTP id yb7mr36336271pbc.15.1353353662541; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:34:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.20.197 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:34:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50A83993.50401@ShaneWare.Biz> References: <50A83993.50401@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:34:22 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD on SSD on ASUS P5KPL-C From: Snow Mountains To: Shane Ambler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd questions list X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:34:23 -0000 2012/11/18 Shane Ambler : > On 18/11/2012 06:49, Snow Mountains wrote: > >> Could you recommend a reliable document on how to do a correct block >> alignment for new FreeBSD 9 install? FreeBSD Handbook doesn't >> mention this at all, although I can find a lot of (not quite >> consistent) advises on the net on how to do it with gpart/newfs. > > Over the last week there has been a discussion with the subject > "Advanced Format Drive ?" on this list that has been discussing that. > If you only just signed up then you can search for it in the mail archives. There is a lot of useful info there, and I also found a lot of useful tips from Warren Block on how to create swap as a file, how to use tmpfs, about noatime etc. However, nowhere I can found anything that could explain me for sure how to do this BEFORE that: I've got 240G Kingston SSD. I want this: win7: ada2s1 ~ 30G empty (probably for experimental little win7 install in the future) freebsd9: ada2s2a ~3G for / ada2s2d ~80G the for /usr (separated for easier backup) ada2s2f ~ the rest for storage How to do this with gpart, respecting 4g alignment etc? Can anybody share the exact commands to achieve this? SergiM From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 19:50:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA0938B for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:50:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0BC8FC12 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:50:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAJJopNA028797; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:50:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAJJooDj028794; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:50:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:50:50 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Snow Mountains Subject: Re: FreeBSD on SSD on ASUS P5KPL-C In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <50A83993.50401@ShaneWare.Biz> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:50:51 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd questions list , Shane Ambler X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:50:53 -0000 On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Snow Mountains wrote: > 2012/11/18 Shane Ambler : >> On 18/11/2012 06:49, Snow Mountains wrote: >> >>> Could you recommend a reliable document on how to do a correct block >>> alignment for new FreeBSD 9 install? FreeBSD Handbook doesn't >>> mention this at all, although I can find a lot of (not quite >>> consistent) advises on the net on how to do it with gpart/newfs. >> >> Over the last week there has been a discussion with the subject >> "Advanced Format Drive ?" on this list that has been discussing that. >> If you only just signed up then you can search for it in the mail archives. > > There is a lot of useful info there, and I also found a lot of useful > tips from Warren Block on how to create swap as a file, how to use > tmpfs, about noatime etc. I didn't say anything about noatime, and personally have not done that on SSDs. > However, nowhere I can found anything that > could explain me for sure how to do this BEFORE that: > > I've got 240G Kingston SSD. I want this: > > win7: > ada2s1 ~ 30G empty (probably for experimental little win7 install in > the future) > > freebsd9: > ada2s2a ~3G for / > ada2s2d ~80G the for /usr (separated for easier backup) > ada2s2f ~ the rest for storage > > How to do this with gpart, respecting 4g alignment etc? Can anybody > share the exact commands to achieve this? That's "4K". Most of the following is shown in the new Handbook gmirror section: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/geom-mirror.html Create the MBR partitioning scheme: # gpart create -s mbr ada2 Add MBR bootcode: # gpart bootcode -b /boot/mbr ada2 Add the Windows 7 partition, forcing it to start at block 2048 because "-a" is not going to do what is expected for slices because of decades-old CHS stuff: # gpart add -t ntfs -b 2048 -s 30g ada2 Create the FreeBSD slice: # gpart create -s bsd ada2s1 Set this slice active and add FreeBSD bootcode: # gpart set -a active -i 1 ada2s1 # gpart bootcode -b /boot/boot ada2s1 Add the FreeBSD partitions. -a will work here, aligning the partitions. # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -a 4k -l dxrootfs -s 3g ada2s1 # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -a 4k -l dxvarfs -s 1g ada2s1 # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -a 4k -l dxusrfs ada2s1 Note the use of GPT labels. The "dx" is just random go-fast letters added because I believe it is a mistake to have duplicate labels and try to keep them all unique. Pick your own. /etc/fstab entries are /dev/gpt/dxrootfs, /dev/gpt/dxvarfs, /dev/gpt/dxusrfs. 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Thanks --=20 Carmel =E2=9C=8C carmel_ny@hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 20:14:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE57D23 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:14:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE15B8FC14 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:14:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TaXjN-0005V7-F4 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:14:11 +0100 Received: from 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl ([79.139.19.75]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:14:09 +0100 Received: from jb.1234abcd by 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:14:09 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Subject: Re: portsnap Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:13:45 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <20121119155141.46107723@gumby.homeunix.com> <20121119192000.0e2abfab@gumby.homeunix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:16.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/16.0) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:14:05 -0000 RW googlemail.com> writes: > > On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:10:48 +0000 (UTC) > jb wrote: > > > > You gave portsnap two commands - one succeeded and the other failed. Nope. I gave ONE command: 'portsnap fetch update'. > > But this looks like a flaky entry validation - it should be rejected > > up front as invalid entry, even if it applied to the second part - > > "update". Because the effect of processing the entire entry "fetch" > > plus "update" is lost anyway. > > Not isn't, you've brought the snapshot up to date. Well, yes. But as I already explained, there was ONE command. If I wanted to be satisfied with two command outcomes, even if logically linked by sequential execution, then I would do: # portsnap fetch; portsnap update There is a subtle, but important difference. In general, if I wanted to check for command completion code, which is quite common in UNIX CLI or scripting env, it would make a lot of difference if a command failed half way in both cases: 'portsnap fetch update; check-completion-code' and 'portsnap fetch; check-completion-code; portsnap update; check-completion-code' jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 20:53:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F199D654 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:53:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-yh0-f54.google.com (mail-yh0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969C78FC14 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:53:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f54.google.com with SMTP id s35so1027786yhf.13 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:53:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=t5Xm87QvAOCG+RCYFwxBNk1uM/jcxDoNRN1gylIBiNk=; b=IsEd7HVoVNYE8hqbX/gUW3Ejpk+DvIU8E1YdHNKY7uetetXVYEGZIzi0+efXwgLqad d4j/r5x8tauFWXia23lxUR7/B+M1xeXmRK1S7iIrCS3YVdTMHIALbKAVC91GXT+luTLi DX/4szafp2DMj3QAtzZ5VKj8/97PR3XaQ4NKM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=t5Xm87QvAOCG+RCYFwxBNk1uM/jcxDoNRN1gylIBiNk=; b=F06IAyf/NNZD/6pOCpwqSJKyP9e5rLwJRsHHGaXhw+CY+/QkZBmss0ncp+x08oPy9O zsanU22qp21aIlThWoBKuYz4eg3wYZfZT8CC1HJ5igWEg7UeVc3WLoMWAL68q8RFbATy Ct/SRVA5HEX27Oko8uxgnSu7xcgAcxfZZ1cQx5xPhGxdWOni7kmchlFZZtO7lgTTHAKp mOxRP2je1Z9TFlekm98H4eZ9FiC79IN1SZzc2AySyskkYioIpRg8y9OVq6l5UsLhxklC BaA71z0g60SZfmoE041tjGeDWSIADAjj+VZwerj1P8OGZBAA3Eb+OIzfFK8GsxdhLyW7 tTNw== Received: by 10.236.161.233 with SMTP id w69mr12968521yhk.74.1353358432931; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:53:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from papi ([177.158.243.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n20sm9718933anl.19.2012.11.19.12.53.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:53:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:55:13 -0300 From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: virtualbox with FreeBSD as host Message-ID: <20121119175513.2d57eb5b@papi> In-Reply-To: <50A98660.9070709@a1poweruser.com> References: <50A65471.7050706@a1poweruser.com> <20121116121408.71d86341@papi> <50A65F76.2060009@a1poweruser.com> <20121116130302.37a87580@papi> <50A6AD92.2000904@a1poweruser.com> <50a7547f.pE0dkKlRM7DyQvw3%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20121117103708.1cb34db4@papi> <50A8E7AA.6090906@a1poweruser.com> <20121118140801.GA51290@ozzmosis.com> <50A98660.9070709@a1poweruser.com> Organization: BSD X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlzztqPSIyHUmw2lfI7CHSTh/I2LJseauEubr/Ow84gk1vkKeafl6+z4qfQSdncEKYKHeox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:53:55 -0000 On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 20:07:44 -0500 Fbsd8 wrote: Snip ... > So how can I run rpd on the freebsd host running the virtualbox > server system so I can access the configured vm? I this > configuration even possible? > I'll give it one last shot. CREATE/RUNNING <> ACCESSING ! CREATE/RUN guests needs X11 ? NO ! ACCESSING guests needs X11 ? Depends on the guest. a) Guest = Consele head OS (FBSD, Lunux, etc..) => No need for x11/graphics on the local host or any other remote accessing host. b) Guest = Graphic head OS (windose, any *NIX w/ a graphic interface, Macs, etc..) => Yes, You will need x11 or some form of graphic interface running on the local host or any other remote accessing host. I hope this puts an end to it. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 21:08:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F21D9BE4 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:08:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@passap.ru) Received: from forward11.mail.yandex.net (forward11.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:801::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA508FC08 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp13.mail.yandex.net (smtp13.mail.yandex.net [95.108.130.68]) by forward11.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id C1C58E81626; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:08:48 +0400 (MSK) Received: from smtp13.mail.yandex.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp13.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 94404E40502; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:08:48 +0400 (MSK) Received: from 93.91.3.52.tel.ru (93.91.3.52.tel.ru [93.91.3.52]) by smtp13.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id 8ljWL55V-8mj0M6YF; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:08:48 +0400 Message-ID: <50AA9FDF.3090708@passap.ru> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:08:47 +0400 From: Boris Samorodov Organization: =?UTF-8?B?0JfQkNCeICLQktCQ0KDQoiI=?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121106 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC -- Latex Question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Carmel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:08:51 -0000 20.11.2012 00:02, Carmel пишет: > I know this doesn't belong here; however I was hoping someone could > give me a quick answer. > > I have a document I am writing, actually a new set of By Laws for an > organization. The format should be as shown here: > > Article I > Name > > Bla-bla > > section 1 > > section 2 > > Article II > Members \renewcommand{\chaptername}{Article} \renewcommand{\thechapter}{\Roman{chapter}} -- WBR, Boris Samorodov (bsam) FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 21:14:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BC8344 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:14:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from m1plsmtpa01-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8938B8FC12 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:14:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by m1plsmtpa01-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id RZCJ1k00B4XeM0101ZCKFs; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:12:19 -0700 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:12:22 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Subject: Re: Anybody use the Dell 3010?? Message-ID: <20121119211221.GA3936@ethic.thought.org> References: <20121118085838.GA7267@ethic.thought.org> <50AA00BA.1040007@bnrlabs.com> <20121119114306.ff21baa9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121119060029.76b85120@scorpio> <20121119121832.de248106.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20121119121832.de248106.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:14:57 -0000 On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:18:32PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:00:29 -0500, Jerry wrote: > > On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:43:06 +0100 > > Polytropon articulated: > > > > > Allow me to provide just one example: > > > > > > More in the series of bizarre UEFI bugs > > > http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/20187.html > > > > That doesn't appear to be a bug. It appears that the code is doing > > exactly what the designer wanted it to do. At best this was an > > oversight by the designer; at worse just plain incompetence. I heard from "my technician" last night--on his way East for the week. he send the URL for an 18MB file {from Dell} all about this new paradigm. --like I've got the time to much around with that much detail... . someone, I think down-queue said something about the UEFI having been designed to make it all the more difficult to drop on FBSD [or anything *except* Doze. my tech echoed the same thing 8 days ago when he dropped off the box. I'm sure by now the BIOS has been hacked beyond reason--especially with the 64-bit versions. Still, if I were designing a new "BIOS" that supported the vast majority of my users [DOZE], I would use every last trick I could dream of to strongly =discourage= anything but Windows. > > That's quite possible. We've seen poorly implemented ACPI > behaviour in "modern" BIOS as well, or manufacturers > intendedly going "their way" to limit hardware in what > it can do or what it will support. Exactly; not to put to fine a point on this, but this is where I smell "greed" as part of the picture/rationale. > It's just my fear that UEFI won't do better per se, and > that lazy or incompetent people will screw it up, and > make it worse. > > The article mentions "legacy boot" to restore a somewhat > "normal" behaviour... > ha! I tried the "legacy" route for hours without success. only when I selected the UEFI did things start to work. and then, upon reboot, I got the string "Cand Find Boot Sector; press any key to reboot" nutshell, I'll scan thru the 18meg file that I have the pointer to. but will probably ask for a "less-featureful" model. > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 21:18:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760DF518 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:18:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF158FC0C for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:18:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id qAJLIqTi083328 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:18:52 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:18:52 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201211192118.qAJLIqTi083328@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portsnap In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:18:04 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 19 14:15:23 2012 > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > From: jb > Subject: Re: portsnap > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:13:45 +0000 (UTC) > > RW googlemail.com> writes: > > > > > On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:10:48 +0000 (UTC) jb wrote: > > > > > > You gave portsnap two commands - one succeeded and the other > > > > failed. > > Nope. I gave ONE command: 'portsnap fetch update'. FALSE TO FACT. You invoked one executable, 'portsnap', giving IT two commands, 'fetch' and 'update' as parameters. Which is *EXACTlY* the same as if you had invoked that executable twice, giving it one command (in the order above) on each invocation. The 'fetch' command succeeded. The 'update' command failed. > > > > But this looks like a flaky entry validation - it should be rejected > > > up front as invalid entry, even if it applied to the second part - > > > "update". Because the effect of processing the entire entry "fetch" > > > plus "update" is lost anyway. > > > > Not isn't, you've brought the snapshot up to date. > > Well, yes. But as I already explained, there was ONE command. You misunderstood the terminology -- you gave *TWO* commmands _to_the_ _portsnap_program_. when portsnap is given multiple commands as invocation arguments, it processes them sequentially, retuning an 'exit status' for the first command that _fails, or 'success' if none of the commands failed. > If I wanted to be satisfied with two command outcomes, even if logically > linked by sequential execution, then I would do: > # portsnap fetch; portsnap update > > There is a subtle, but important difference. Only in your expectations. > In general, if I wanted to check for command completion code, which is > quite common in UNIX CLI or scripting env, it would make a lot of > difference if a command failed half way in both cases: > 'portsnap fetch update; check-completion-code' > and 'portsnap fetch; check-completion-code; portsnap update; > check-completion-code' 'portsnap fetch update' is the EXACT equivalent of: 'portsnap fetch && portsnap update; `check-completion-code'` Your: 'portsnap fetch; check-completion-code; portsnap update; check-completion-code' is bad/incorrect scripting since it _unconditionally_ executes 'portsnap update', which you do NOT want to do if/when 'fetch' fails. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 21:25:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADEA17BD for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:25:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from openslateproj@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700BD8FC12 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:25:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id s9so1258242iec.13 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:25:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=aEJxrnm9PjEpIw+PGkgZ/SW11dAL88DO3sxt84lZQ0Q=; b=MxeIVHvPiOTKm3L0ORLFiMTbF6D9ls8TxCo0cj/zSNunTXSo2i9+NUx1Q48m8iZ8+u iiTOupjlYtc0GFqk6DElOMYZbmg9o1yttwQJs+3f4hM7CtdRdBa7GYsrwnGSIhDcKWe7 0qBRsGY/y174/I+4diU9amNkRMpD4xvfE2mZnu1YQFMF5+613wA0+rQSL58onry4Njro XwLba12vxAjgwrq/QoYO6XDArIBUBqWHiAHtiWWJePH4eatnJW2yhZX66fi/ZeRkkisE 8uqbeAmbfZ8Zo1xYUcz/QJjxZxz7FX4zCjHePOSdoXsApwapjFajC3IVJvXtTUiQtjSp t1OA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.36.200 with SMTP id s8mr2326851igj.23.1353360341738; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:25:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.37.170 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:25:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:25:41 -1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC -- Latex Question From: Open Slate To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:25:42 -0000 Latex can do what you describe but you would need to create or locate a different document class. The standard classes that ship with (most) versions of Latex are for academic journals, books, and letters. You are more likely to get your question answered on a Latex specific forum or mailing list. Finally, in case you have not already tried it, I highly recommend using Lyx to create Latex documents. If you are in a rush you can use the \section* command to enter your article headings and the \subsection* command for your section headings. The trailing asterisk suppresses automatic numbering, so you will need to add your own. Much nicer to use automatic numbering. On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Carmel wrote: > I know this doesn't belong here; however I was hoping someone could > give me a quick answer. > > I have a document I am writing, actually a new set of By Laws for an > organization. The format should be as shown here: > > Article I > Name > > Bla-bla > > section 1 > > section 2 > > Article II > Members > > > And so on. I can accomplish this easily in MS Word; however, I have not > been able to find a way to make Latex use "Article" as opposed to > "Chapter" in its heading. I have to use "Article" I have Googled for > over a day without success. I find it very strange that Latex doesn't > have an "\article" definition like "\section" and "\chapter". Is there > any way to do this or am I stuck with MS Word. BTW, I did investigate > the "titlesec" package, but I did not see a way to accomplish it. > > Thanks > > -- > Carmel =E2=9C=8C > carmel_ny@hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --=20 Gary Dunn Open Slate Project http://openslate.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 21:26:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509C3971 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:26:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc4-s34.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s34.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D6D8FC17 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP138 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s34.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:25:39 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [76.182.104.150] X-EIP: [hpVidiShzzrwvkvSj60oNO3GnrZNMIKx] X-Originating-Email: [carmel_ny@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ([76.182.104.150]) by BLU0-SMTP138.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:25:38 -0800 Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3Y534K0LHYz2CG47 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:25:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:25:36 -0500 From: Carmel To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC -- Latex Question In-Reply-To: <50AA9FDF.3090708@passap.ru> References: <50AA9FDF.3090708@passap.ru> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2012 21:25:38.0505 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B8A8390:01CDC69C] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:26:46 -0000 On Tue=2C 20 Nov 2012 01:08:47 +0400 Boris Samorodov articulated: > 20.11.2012 00:02=2C Carmel =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: >=20 > > I know this doesn't belong here=3B however I was hoping someone could > > give me a quick answer. > >=20 > > I have a document I am writing=2C actually a new set of By Laws for an > > organization. The format should be as shown here: > >=20 > > Article I > > Name > >=20 > > Bla-bla > >=20 > > section 1 > >=20 > > section 2 > >=20 > > Article II > > Members >=20 > \renewcommand{\chaptername}{Article} > \renewcommand{\thechapter}{\Roman{chapter}} Thank you. I tried "thechapter" and "\chapter". It never occurred to me to use "\chaptername". I couldn't find any documentation on it either=2C although I was certain that it could be done. I am surprised that there is not a fixed style for that in Latex. "Article" is commonly used in legal documents. --=20 Carmel =E2=9C=8C carmel_ny@hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 21:30:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B54B71 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:30:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa06-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A9428FC18 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:30:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by p3plsmtpa06-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id RZTo1k00H4XeM0101ZTpN2; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:27:49 -0700 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:27:52 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Daniel Feenberg Subject: Re: Anybody use the Dell 3010?? Message-ID: <20121119212752.GB3936@ethic.thought.org> References: <20121118085838.GA7267@ethic.thought.org> <50AA00BA.1040007@bnrlabs.com> <20121119114306.ff21baa9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121119060029.76b85120@scorpio> <20121119121832.de248106.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:30:26 -0000 On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 10:30:44AM -0500, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > > > > On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > >On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > > > >> > >> > >>On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Polytropon wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:00:29 -0500, Jerry wrote: > >>> > >>>>On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:43:06 +0100 > >>>>Polytropon articulated: > >>>> > >>>> Allow me to provide just one example: > >>>>> > >>>>> More in the series of bizarre UEFI bugs > >>>>> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/**20187.html > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>The only way for FreeBSD (or Linux, for that matter) to survive > >>in a world where hardware vendors care only about Windows, is > >>to make sure that FreeBSD only depends upon features that Windows > >>uses. If a hardware or firmware specification requires feature X, > >>but Windows doesn't use feature X, then vendors won't test feature > >>X, and FreeBSD can't depend on it being functional. So it shouldn't > >>be required by FreeBSD. It can be used, provided it isn't required. > >>In this case it may mean that FreeBSD must identify itself as > >>Windows, just as all browsers identify themselves as IE. > >> > > > > > >The above paragraph is completely meaningless , because neither *BSD , nor > >Linux > >is a marginal operating system . > > > >Please see > > > >http://www.top500.org/statistics/list/ > > > > > >Select from this "Operating System Family" > >where in world's 500 super computers , Windows is on ONLY 3 computers , the > >rest is > >almost Linux 469 , Unix 20 , BSD-based 1 computers and others . I'll take a bow, or part-of, for the BSD computer. Maybe I shouldn't. 1/500 is nothing to put on my tombstone:-) > >http://www.asus.com/Static_WebPage/OS_Compatibility/ > >http://www.asus.com/websites/global/aboutasus/OS/Linux.pdf > >contains Linux distributions supported in ASUS desktop boards . > > > >Some trade marked servers excluded , Linux and *BSD run on many server > >hardware . > > > > It isn't what vendors should care about. I agree they should care > about FreeBSD. But by and large they don't. Arguing that they should > serves no purpose. They have poor moral character, that is why they > don't care and also why they are impervious to argument, except from > large customers. The handful of server vendors that are exceptions > do not detract from the force of my argument. > > daniel feenberg answer me this, daniel or anybody else:: isn't there a very small group who is devoted to creating a 100% open/free hardware and software? maybe 64-bit only to start? most of us who are still alive and contributing *something* might be interested in this. forget where I read it, but unless I was dreaming, it was for real and would fit the "OPen-*" model... . gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 21:43:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C1EF51 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:43:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from graudeejs@yandex.ru) Received: from forward2h.mail.yandex.net (forward2h.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:f05::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7F38FC13 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from web14h.yandex.ru (web14h.yandex.ru [84.201.186.43]) by forward2h.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 89926700CE6 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:43:38 +0400 (MSK) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by web14h.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id 3A061437007D; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:43:38 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1353361418; bh=/rnVDp1fVTMcpFt8reA9C4sqjvKaVBgII2JehMtztuo=; h=From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:Date; b=TUzp9B4Yv2tHRmGyfeFXRzuMOE8sQDOCetzkKWEPJalfIKqUZMvoHNkrJnMKTO2V1 qnlGkPHQYoKNJr6AmzDE5soL1GOTyykeaM1Xyizz0tg2nH+2nIFhk5SRDOoN/1fk8/ lAGgOKFSyIQzzUohoGPRNRdXB6TUJ5mfeakDyaoc= Received: from mpe-11-155.mpe.lv (mpe-11-155.mpe.lv [83.241.11.155]) by web14h.yandex.ru with HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:43:38 +0400 From: Aldis Berjoza To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: <50AA9FDF.3090708@passap.ru> Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC -- Latex Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <225921353361418@web14h.yandex.ru> X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:43:38 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:43:41 -0000 19.11.2012, 23:27, "Carmel" : > On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:08:47 +0400 > Boris Samorodov articulated: > >> š20.11.2012 00:02, Carmel ÐÉÛÅÔ: >>> šI know this doesn't belong here; however I was hoping someone could >>> šgive me a quick answer. >>> >>> šI have a document I am writing, actually a new set of By Laws for an >>> šorganization. The format should be as shown here: >>> >>> šššššššššššššššššArticle I >>> šššššššššššššššššššName >>> >>> šBla-bla >>> >>> šsection 1 >>> >>> šsection 2 >>> >>> šššššššššššššššššArticle II >>> šššššššššššššššššššMembers >> š\renewcommand{\chaptername}{Article} >> š\renewcommand{\thechapter}{\Roman{chapter}} > > Thank you. I tried "thechapter" and "\chapter". It never occurred to me > to use "\chaptername". I couldn't find any documentation on it either, > although I was certain that it could be done. I am surprised that there > is not a fixed style for that in šLatex. "Article" is commonly used in > legal documents. Well it's written by mathematicians and physicists for mathematicians and physicists (mostly) -- Aldis Berjoza FreeBSD addict From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 21:48:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D410E10B for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:48:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from openslateproj@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935398FC0C for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:48:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id s9so1298780iec.13 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:48:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=3Vifj7ctMNidfGutLi+4P0pM8w3an93d4YS8xhjkxT0=; b=My1gUrt9drZKkkWG2MIBTFLgzuBfTO9fjwszhuaEUNjn0obW2UI+quDTBr80+YMd+8 1Ha7+1k2VnheHI0SMb5j2z/sOiNYd9n1zk1cj0H/KflVrsdfkUhdsY5Z3SNujbqwm2qZ dH9gXM0oxh+z1e6alEMqhZwLXtO5LHooSZRHtSDrIsAzkCAsf8m547aZ5VpwOVkizetx hzlN0KjLbp9YTYfHSIUTIa8Bk136hFl5Zwk5hp93CEGv4FvKwCWV3wxT05H7LuNDjias vLvCTagr9TQhlQKXton9yTRSaLM4SP6fgPjU9PXxjn1QexaZ9RzPYBTdUMa/h+Y5MLfu Ha4A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.0.180 with SMTP id 20mr8234753igf.4.1353361681118; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:48:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.37.170 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:48:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50AA9FDF.3090708@passap.ru> References: <50AA9FDF.3090708@passap.ru> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:48:01 -1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC -- Latex Question From: Open Slate To: Boris Samorodov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Carmel , FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:48:01 -0000 This sort of worked for me, but still had problems. 1) my Latex starts chapters on a new page, which may or may not fit the bill. 2) In Lyx the chapter command wants a title; I could not get just Article I. I'm sure both of these are fixable, Latex can do virtually anything. On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Boris Samorodov wrote: > 20.11.2012 00:02, Carmel =D0=C9=DB=C5=D4: > > > I know this doesn't belong here; however I was hoping someone could > > give me a quick answer. > > > > I have a document I am writing, actually a new set of By Laws for an > > organization. The format should be as shown here: > > > > Article I > > Name > > > > Bla-bla > > > > section 1 > > > > section 2 > > > > Article II > > Members > > \renewcommand{\chaptername}{Article} > \renewcommand{\thechapter}{\Roman{chapter}} > > -- > WBR, Boris Samorodov (bsam) > FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 Gary Dunn Open Slate Project http://openslate.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 21:48:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C5510F for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:48:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@passap.ru) Received: from forward2h.mail.yandex.net (forward2h.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:f05::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071628FC13 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp1h.mail.yandex.net (smtp1h.mail.yandex.net [84.201.187.144]) by forward2h.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id AA100700C4B for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:48:00 +0400 (MSK) Received: from smtp1h.mail.yandex.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1h.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 72F8B13402E7 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:48:00 +0400 (MSK) Received: from 93.91.3.52.tel.ru (93.91.3.52.tel.ru [93.91.3.52]) by smtp1h.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id m01Gt2pG-m01SWnw3; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:48:00 +0400 Message-ID: <50AAA910.1090204@passap.ru> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:48:00 +0400 From: Boris Samorodov Organization: =?UTF-8?B?0JfQkNCeICLQktCQ0KDQoiI=?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121106 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC -- Latex Question References: <50AA9FDF.3090708@passap.ru> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:48:02 -0000 20.11.2012 01:25, Carmel пишет: > I couldn't find any documentation on it either, > although I was certain that it could be done. If you are going to use LaTeX, you definitely should learn it. There are many good free downlodable books out there. > I am surprised that there > is not a fixed style for that in Latex. "Article" is commonly used in > legal documents. Imho there is no sence since it's a matter of one line of code. -- WBR, Boris Samorodov (bsam) FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 21:55:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41DE134D for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:55:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@passap.ru) Received: from forward5h.mail.yandex.net (forward5h.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:f05::5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CEAE8FC0C for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:55:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp1h.mail.yandex.net (smtp1h.mail.yandex.net [84.201.187.144]) by forward5h.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 320C6D01C31; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:55:55 +0400 (MSK) Received: from smtp1h.mail.yandex.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1h.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id E05F7134046C; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:55:54 +0400 (MSK) Received: from 93.91.3.52.tel.ru (93.91.3.52.tel.ru [93.91.3.52]) by smtp1h.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id tq1G4h9m-tq1SgZgi; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:55:54 +0400 Message-ID: <50AAAAE8.7030207@passap.ru> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:55:52 +0400 From: Boris Samorodov Organization: =?UTF-8?B?0JfQkNCeICLQktCQ0KDQoiI=?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121106 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Open Slate Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC -- Latex Question References: <50AA9FDF.3090708@passap.ru> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:55:57 -0000 20.11.2012 01:48, Open Slate пишет: > This sort of worked for me, but still had problems. 1) my Latex starts > chapters on a new page, which may or may not fit the bill. 1. Don't use the book style to write an article. 2. Read the documentation. It's open, free and plenty. > 2) In Lyx the > chapter command wants a title; I could not get just Article I. I'm sure > both of these are fixable, Latex can do virtually anything. Never used Lyx, so no comments here, sorry. -- WBR, Boris Samorodov (bsam) FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 22:06:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D710E7DE for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:06:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7122F8FC0C for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TaZTh-0003H2-2i for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:06:09 +0100 Received: from 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl ([79.139.19.75]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:06:05 +0100 Received: from jb.1234abcd by 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:06:05 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Subject: Re: portsnap Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:05:41 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 87 Message-ID: References: <201211192118.qAJLIqTi083328@mail.r-bonomi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:16.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/16.0) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:06:02 -0000 Robert Bonomi mail.r-bonomi.com> writes: > > > From owner-freebsd-questions freebsd.org Mon Nov 19 14:15:23 2012 > > To: freebsd-questions freebsd.org > > From: jb gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: portsnap > > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:13:45 +0000 (UTC) > > > > RW googlemail.com> writes: > > > > > > > > On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:10:48 +0000 (UTC) jb wrote: > > > > > > > > You gave portsnap two commands - one succeeded and the other > > > > > failed. > > > > Nope. I gave ONE command: 'portsnap fetch update'. > > FALSE TO FACT. No way. UNIX command (on a command line, also called CLI), is anything between prompt (e.g. $) and ENTER, that is in general: $ command