From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 25 14:00:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 535C199B for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:00:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A263E25 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:00:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by smtp-int.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id E942F85FC; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9C665997A; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:00:24 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: "Jeremy C. Reed" Subject: Re: including generated documentation with source References: <867gmdhnu9.fsf@ds4.des.no> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:00:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Jeremy C. Reed's message of "Fri, 22 Feb 2013 08:25:18 -0600 (CST)") Message-ID: <86hal0ebnr.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: chat@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:00:26 -0000 "Jeremy C. Reed" writes: > Thank you for the examples. This is similar to what I already do, but=20 > has one advantage that I don't currently have: its source includes the=20 > generation tool (misc/gendoc.pl). What happens if a make clean is done=20 > and no perl is available to regenerate? The build fails. However, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to have Perl installed, and in any case, there is a configure switch to disable the documentation. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 28 19:53:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7769D65; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 19:53:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sib@tormail.org) Received: from outgoing.tormail.org (outgoing.tormail.org [82.221.96.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78029EE4; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 19:53:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=internal.tormail.org) by outgoing.tormail.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UB9Xh-0002PJ-P3; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 22:53:29 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tormail.org; s=tm; h=Message-Id:X-TorMail-User:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Cc:To:From:Subject:Date; bh=FusOKvF6S4GcDbEwkrS+EkT1QNxybUqnP9lqeZl8WOk=; b=ms/+7cr9yGiB1a9Z2NLW7K/tWcx+tDog4ChhCF1UkqflCkGOt5wiCuPemTZVPZ777t8CfeL7807S+ATrVzIL/yRYYnwIm6RnvwAFZ9Nuhq1t/2auEdiBBCqazaAlo+ytsHQKVOLobUPd3IQcxWcze2G3atCjlkVyj8LEFIMRDes=; Received: from sib by internal.tormail.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1UB9VE-0002eY-EQ; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 19:50:52 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 19:50:52 -0000 Subject: BSD For Linux Users (update) From: sib@tormail.org To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Importance: High X-TorMail-User: sib Message-Id: <1UB9VE-0002eY-EQ@internal.tormail.org> Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 19:53:38 -0000 Hi -advocacy, -chat, -doc. I'm sure most of you are familiar with this page: https://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/01 Since I started using FreeBSD, it's been the go-to link to send to people asking "why should I use BSD over Linux" or "what makes FreeBSD so great?" or even just "what are the differences?" I still send this link to new users because a lot of it has withstood the test of time, and still applies to today's environment. However, there are some things that have definitely changed in our OS that I think should be added. This article really needs to be modernized to today's standards with a list of updated tools and methods. I've tried contacting the person who wrote it about getting it updated, even offering to do so myself, but never got a reply. My question to you: Would anyone here be interested in updating it (or just helping a bit) to be more accurate with the modern FreeBSD world, and has a place to host it that we can link to? I think this would really be a nice improvement and help us teach more new users about how we do things. Also, a few official pages on freebsd.org are growing a bit old (references to CVS, etc.) and might need similar treatment: FreeBSD: An Open Source Alternative to Linux https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/linux-comparison/article.html FreeBSD Quickstart Guide for Linux Users https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/linux-users/index.html Comparing BSD and Linux https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/explaining-bsd/comparing-bsd-and-linux.html I'm going to begin going through all of these pages in the next few days and see what needs to be updated and how much work this will be, but I would greatly appreciate any help from the community! From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 2 00:59:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CED87BC; Sat, 2 Mar 2013 00:59:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from thyme.infocus-llc.com (server.infocus-llc.com [206.156.254.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D53EE1F8B; Sat, 2 Mar 2013 00:59:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from draco.over-yonder.net (c-75-65-60-66.hsd1.ms.comcast.net [75.65.60.66]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by thyme.infocus-llc.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5AAD137B4E4; Fri, 1 Mar 2013 18:53:34 -0600 (CST) Received: by draco.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 3ZHps93xR4zDcp; Fri, 1 Mar 2013 18:53:33 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 18:53:33 -0600 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: sib@tormail.org Subject: Re: BSD For Linux Users (update) Message-ID: <20130302005333.GI22008@over-yonder.net> References: <1UB9VE-0002eY-EQ@internal.tormail.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1UB9VE-0002eY-EQ@internal.tormail.org> X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21-fullermd.4 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at thyme.infocus-llc.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 00:59:23 -0000 On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 07:50:52PM -0000 I heard the voice of sib@tormail.org, and lo! it spake thus: > > However, there are some things that have definitely changed in our > OS that I think should be added. This article really needs to be > modernized to today's standards with a list of updated tools and > methods. I've tried contacting the person who wrote it about getting > it updated, even offering to do so myself, but never got a reply. "'e's not dead, 'e's resting." It is on my todo list to do a round of updates on it. Sadly, it has been for a while; I've been kept too busy lately to do much more than get through the day. On the upside, I don't expect it to be a huge amount of work to update. By its nature, it's oriented on the broad sweeps and philosophical differences, and those don't change. The history is rather flown by, and there are a few details that call for update, to be sure. But by and large, the points I wanted to make with it are just the same now (near a decade later) as they were at the time; FreeBSD is still FreeBSD, and Linux is still Linux. -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ On the Internet, nobody can hear you scream.