From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 29 14:23:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 028499F3 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:23:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kpielorz_lst@tdx.co.uk) Received: from mail.tdx.com (mail.tdx.com [62.13.128.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF56F2988 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Mail-PC.tdx.co.uk (storm.tdx.co.uk [62.13.130.251]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.tdx.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/) with ESMTP id r6TENcDP013082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:23:38 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:23:42 +0100 From: Karl Pielorz To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Virtualizing FreeBSD... Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:23:40 -0000 Hi, Anyone got any recommended / "works for them" advice on what's the best virtualization platform to run FreeBSD under? (apart from FreeBSD itself) - we're looking for something commercial / with management etc. (e.g. HyperV/ESXi etc.) We've got some experience running it under VMware - but are looking for one that offers good driver support (i.e. not 'emulated hardware' for NIC / disks)? The experience we've had so far hasn't been brilliant from an I/O point of view (hence the push to find out who/what supports FreeBSD better for I/O drivers) - there's only so far an emulated E1000 can go :) Thanks, -Karl From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 29 14:34:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D41EE6A for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:34:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@FreeBSD.org) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4231C2A46 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.42]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2672420E39 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3 ([10.202.2.213]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:34:35 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=message-id:from:to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:in-reply-to:references :subject:date; s=smtpout; bh=e6vW4sBSoWm8SXfDRx+IOwY/0pE=; b=dU7 rbqaLK8exTtHGMXK6bbtPbA6a4PY52U2V0WPDSDXz4Fb5p3mfuYx/wW2F7ZI3l7w kaszjBsRydBPUcWdqMOqixAyNcsCfU4u5VQWDc9SLTpnxWH/h28//J+x541MH0Aw ctjdvIjm3uL+tiaKaiSD+tnzGUHCwcW8Mbus6yRg= Received: by web3.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix, from userid 99) id 0A873B01E77; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1375108474.25849.2831127.466496C6@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: AXWUkNd+wi9sjLqWkKsjcUjDqAB+zmQgrZiYaoajLIsp 1375108474 From: Mark Felder To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-23e62cd3 In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: Virtualizing FreeBSD... Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 09:34:34 -0500 X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:34:43 -0000 We moved from VMWare to Xen. Xen has a lot of momentum behind it -- Citrix is on board to get FreeBSD the best support possible. It's actively hacked on in HEAD. We run 9.1-RELEASE with a XENHVM kernel without any major issues. All of our VMWare crashes have gone away. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 29 14:40:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CACB5FE1 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:40:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@opus30.register.it) Received: from hostingsmtp.register.it (hostingsmtp07.register.it [81.88.50.248]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223E82AAB for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 10697 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2013 14:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO opus30.register.it) by hostingsmtp.register.it with ESMTP; 29 Jul 2013 14:40:38 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by opus30.register.it (8.14.3/8.12.11/Submit) id r6TEecOf007895; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:40:38 +0200 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:40:38 +0200 X-RID: 7OnsJ3NuKzt0JW1yK2ZuOy9zbjtn6CjsL3RuI3RuK2Mt7FsvYiNbL3NjK2R06S8K|dDsnbSVjJW0jZCdbW1sK|MCwnLPkn4F0nXeDgCg==|WE5MR05JVFNPSAo= To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: =?utf-8?B?0JHQtdC3INGC0LXQvNGL?= X-PHP-Originating-Script: 99:informations.php From: =?utf-8?B?0JLQsNC90Y8g0KHRi9GB0L7QtdCy?= Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:40:40 -0000 Добрый день! 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PS Могу сделать не только для Турции. с уважением, Людмила From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 29 15:48:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E08E05F5 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:48:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjo-lists@ogris.de) Received: from ns1.ogris.net (ns1.ogris.net [IPv6:2a00:1348::17:0:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62B32E3C for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:48:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2a00:1348:0:5::a] (core7.intra.ogris.net [IPv6:2a00:1348:0:5::a]) by ns1.ogris.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id AFCB92B6031 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:48:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <51F68EBA.104@ogris.de> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:48:10 +0200 From: "Felix J. Ogris" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130720 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Virtualizing FreeBSD... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:48:13 -0000 On 07/29/13 16:23, Karl Pielorz wrote: > Anyone got any recommended / "works for them" advice on what's the best > virtualization platform to run FreeBSD under? (apart from FreeBSD > itself) - we're looking for something commercial / with management etc. > (e.g. HyperV/ESXi etc.) Hi, we've run FreeBSD 7 to 9 amd64 under ESXi for the last years. We had some issues with emulators/open-vm-tools (stalled network connections resulting in high load, but no crashes). I'd either choose native VMware tools (available, stable, and decent performance with FreeBSD 9.x under ESXi 5.x, though I haven't benchmarked this) or stick to em0. I've never tried Vmware's paravirtualized disk controller, though. --Felix > We've got some experience running it under VMware - but are looking for > one that offers good driver support (i.e. not 'emulated hardware' for > NIC / disks)? > > The experience we've had so far hasn't been brilliant from an I/O point > of view (hence the push to find out who/what supports FreeBSD better for > I/O drivers) - there's only so far an emulated E1000 can go :) > > Thanks, > > -Karl > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 29 16:45:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711792B8 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:45:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vandj@securenet.net) Received: from ms.securenet.net (ms.securenet.net [205.236.147.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB362173 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:45:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ms.securenet.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms.securenet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556F1BCA2; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:39:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by f-prot anti-virus, and clamav anti-virus at SecureNet Inc. Received: from ms.securenet.net ([127.0.0.1]) by ms.securenet.net (ms.securenet.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10025) with ESMTP id 0s7Sy8MR+Of0; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HomePC (mtl-pppoe-adsl245.securenet.net [66.38.236.245]) by ms.securenet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9EA3BCCE; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:39:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jean M. Vandette" To: "'Felix J. Ogris'" , References: <51F68EBA.104@ogris.de> In-Reply-To: <51F68EBA.104@ogris.de> Subject: RE: Virtualizing FreeBSD... Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:39:02 -0400 Organization: SecureNet Information Services Message-ID: <156901ce8c7a$22193860$664ba920$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac6McxFRKqUa689SSg2YxzL9WLkO3gABeAnw Content-Language: en-us X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: vandj@securenet.net List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:45:14 -0000 Greetings I asked the same question, we settled on XEN server The process to virtualize FreeBSD is not very hard but takes a few steps. We have 8.4 (32 & 64) and 9.x (32 & 64) running on=20 different machines. XEN server ISO can be had at http://www.xenserver.org/ there are a few how-to's on the virtualization process. Regards Jean M. Vandette SecureNet Information Services Divisions 159272 Canada Inc. 283-100 Alexis Nihon Blvd St Laurent, Quebec H4M 2N7 514-744-4242 800-469-7774 514-744-1552 Fax IMPORTANT: Les informations contenues au pr=E9sent courriel ainsi que dans tout = document annex=E9 sont de nature privil=E9gi=E9e et confidentielle et ne peuvent = =EAtre utilis=E9es que par la ou les personnes ou entit=E9s dont le nom = para=EEt ci-dessus. Si le lecteur du pr=E9sent message n'est pas le destinataire = pr=E9vu ou n'a pas =E9t=E9 mis en copie, il est par les pr=E9sentes pri=E9 de = noter qu'il est strictement interdit de divulguer, de distribuer de copier ou = d'utiliser de quelconque fa=E7on ce message ou ses annexes. Si ceux-ci vous ont = =E9t=E9 transmis par m=E9garde, veuillez les effacer et nous en aviser = imm=E9diatement. This E-mail along with its attachments, if any, contain privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individuals or entities named above. Any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of = the same by anyone other than the intended recipients is strictly = prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please delete both E-mail = and attachments and notify us immediately. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org = [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Felix J. Ogris Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:48 AM To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Virtualizing FreeBSD... On 07/29/13 16:23, Karl Pielorz wrote: > Anyone got any recommended / "works for them" advice on what's the=20 > best virtualization platform to run FreeBSD under? (apart from FreeBSD > itself) - we're looking for something commercial / with management = etc. > (e.g. HyperV/ESXi etc.) Hi, we've run FreeBSD 7 to 9 amd64 under ESXi for the last years. We had = some issues with emulators/open-vm-tools (stalled network connections = resulting in high load, but no crashes). I'd either choose native VMware tools (available, stable, and decent performance with FreeBSD 9.x under ESXi = 5.x, though I haven't benchmarked this) or stick to em0. I've never tried Vmware's paravirtualized disk controller, though. --Felix > We've got some experience running it under VMware - but are looking=20 > for one that offers good driver support (i.e. not 'emulated hardware'=20 > for NIC / disks)? > > The experience we've had so far hasn't been brilliant from an I/O=20 > point of view (hence the push to find out who/what supports FreeBSD=20 > better for I/O drivers) - there's only so far an emulated E1000 can go = > :) > > Thanks, > > -Karl > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 29 17:50:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35482C0B for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:50:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-x236.google.com (mail-ob0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2D5C254E for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f182.google.com with SMTP id wo10so9919161obc.41 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:50:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=433/+DOzfk9nvKPawDSrZpt4U47aMsTk8dD3Yn85gaU=; b=KnCP3IrvptQ80XYaFzjpgtSfdEMkm7NGqhurpcj2d6wh/pahcjVhhs8zMPbpf6GQIb IPqvJgzpfpd0KFDf9kSD2CzJyRl52ebqOYBSsx5LNka4KRBmPK8Prxe/z1QZLD0kpgLu 3zHgXujTkFvbWlQZl58r3kRo2AHoxaOC/SOWGYb59XVmwKSQo/zkpO41uxr9puFneBKO Vkmq86Fh7lxeCHF9JT7XQMr1ykxhTzokJM+V29avLnxgP6skFYe/PnSalEWPD6VeReWi Mz8xc5R9JkcJaQ+57IX0Zi9K0jXVblTaH+AHyEvBheA+yUcx0+rKiBRQzhhtc/tTCk5P Xrbg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.145.173 with SMTP id sv13mr58738810oeb.63.1375120228268; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.90.197 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:50:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <156901ce8c7a$22193860$664ba920$@net> References: <51F68EBA.104@ogris.de> <156901ce8c7a$22193860$664ba920$@net> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 13:50:28 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Virtualizing FreeBSD... From: Outback Dingo To: vandj@securenet.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, "Felix J. Ogris" X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:50:29 -0000 On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Jean M. Vandette wro= te: > Greetings > > I asked the same question, we settled on XEN server > The process to virtualize FreeBSD is not very hard but > takes a few steps. > > We have 8.4 (32 & 64) and 9.x (32 & 64) running on > different machines. > > XEN server ISO can be had at http://www.xenserver.org/ > there are a few how-to's on the virtualization process. > > Ive also chosen XEN, XCP specifically, and XENHVM kernels work great on 9.1, 9.2-BETA2, and CURRENT Personally I wount go anywhere near VMWare > > Regards > > Jean M. Vandette > > SecureNet Information Services > Divisions 159272 Canada Inc. > 283-100 Alexis Nihon Blvd > St Laurent, Quebec H4M 2N7 > 514-744-4242 > 800-469-7774 > 514-744-1552 Fax > > IMPORTANT: > Les informations contenues au pr=E9sent courriel ainsi que dans tout docu= ment > annex=E9 sont de nature privil=E9gi=E9e et confidentielle et ne peuvent = =EAtre > utilis=E9es que par la ou les personnes ou entit=E9s dont le nom para=EEt > ci-dessus. Si le lecteur du pr=E9sent message n'est pas le destinataire p= r=E9vu > ou n'a pas =E9t=E9 mis en copie, il est par les pr=E9sentes pri=E9 de not= er qu'il > est strictement interdit de divulguer, de distribuer de copier ou > d'utiliser > de quelconque fa=E7on ce message ou ses annexes. Si ceux-ci vous ont =E9t= =E9 > transmis par m=E9garde, veuillez les effacer et nous en aviser imm=E9diat= ement. > > This E-mail along with its attachments, if any, contain privileged and > confidential information intended only for the use of the individuals or > entities named above. Any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of > the > same by anyone other than the intended recipients is strictly prohibited. > If > you have received this communication in error, please delete both E-mail > and > attachments and notify us immediately. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org= ] > On Behalf Of Felix J. Ogris > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:48 AM > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Virtualizing FreeBSD... > > On 07/29/13 16:23, Karl Pielorz wrote: > > > Anyone got any recommended / "works for them" advice on what's the > > best virtualization platform to run FreeBSD under? (apart from FreeBSD > > itself) - we're looking for something commercial / with management etc. > > (e.g. HyperV/ESXi etc.) > > Hi, > > we've run FreeBSD 7 to 9 amd64 under ESXi for the last years. We had some > issues with emulators/open-vm-tools (stalled network connections resultin= g > in high load, but no crashes). I'd either choose native VMware tools > (available, stable, and decent performance with FreeBSD 9.x under ESXi 5.= x, > though I haven't benchmarked this) or stick to em0. > I've never tried Vmware's paravirtualized disk controller, though. > > --Felix > > > We've got some experience running it under VMware - but are looking > > for one that offers good driver support (i.e. not 'emulated hardware' > > for NIC / disks)? > > > > The experience we've had so far hasn't been brilliant from an I/O > > point of view (hence the push to find out who/what supports FreeBSD > > better for I/O drivers) - there's only so far an emulated E1000 can go > > :) > > > > Thanks, > > > > -Karl > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 29 18:22:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C480753 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:22:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@FreeBSD.org) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40C0226F9 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:22:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.44]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB26F20AF0 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3 ([10.202.2.213]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:21:58 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=message-id:from:to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:in-reply-to:references :subject:date; s=smtpout; bh=w7vsvQkQnSbTXbZPSJF+V+qxffI=; b=Adk wcEkwgqo5c6rjBgmh9X2lMO7YvQKuY/Q3MQY/Husr425Ib26VGJ+Teyu+IkdafPy 2qznVIlhEC5x1GbSDpakv778F3XiLHfhhMhtFRMoVK5PtNxCG8HqF0AB7j5jz1Ip vrNA4MTmsaB3RC0w+s3LquYVizPIPiscj7yZw5Po= Received: by web3.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix, from userid 99) id 986B8B01E8F; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1375122118.8616.2922019.77F4C2B2@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: NEk04M0CIgrAjUE315Ef3YD4GVX3Do7jaS9pgIpfR3Im 1375122118 From: Mark Felder To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-23e62cd3 In-Reply-To: References: <51F68EBA.104@ogris.de> <156901ce8c7a$22193860$664ba920$@net> Subject: Re: Virtualizing FreeBSD... Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 13:21:58 -0500 X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:22:00 -0000 On Mon, Jul 29, 2013, at 12:50, Outback Dingo wrote: > Ive also chosen XEN, XCP specifically, and XENHVM kernels work great on > 9.1, 9.2-BETA2, and CURRENT > Personally I wount go anywhere near VMWare > FYI, XCP has been superceded by XenServer 6.2 -- XCP no longer exists. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 29 18:35:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B7B9C7; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:35:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oa0-x230.google.com (mail-oa0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c02::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67AC527B2; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:35:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id f4so14012033oah.35 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Fle2ftKfW/ovuiq88hvkjX8L8J/PlA2NN8nFVnKv5L0=; b=RKpncxTEGQUIokZplzu2OTXA8/NyXIKrF385idtE3GqWpTTdRdOwLYymsKiL+fR0LW ZriHx7a4e3UPWNc91g9cL5vW5HI2rJ1b4faJuEO/nz9Be/vx2Aakbf+1nyFtd/RtVIOO yQ+57Cabgll2l3p2no3jy9GN7cdToFHFGtHFiu0hzvK04IIa8MUPV+EuBBBGBWRytO6f cUywmLvftlDOwdxkQuXUiIiSLBVlQXyuwbM5SKmbTqoe5siEhXxDMGhl5HtchYSlNIXX qr/pY20RlSDtnnHV745fmrnl39zqukq+KKUPNAFO6rq2sCMqsKKWryLutcWeOxQPbYYk Htcw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.146.134 with SMTP id tc6mr7983599oeb.95.1375122928789; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.90.197 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1375122118.8616.2922019.77F4C2B2@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <51F68EBA.104@ogris.de> <156901ce8c7a$22193860$664ba920$@net> <1375122118.8616.2922019.77F4C2B2@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:35:28 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Virtualizing FreeBSD... From: Outback Dingo To: Mark Felder Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:35:29 -0000 On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Mark Felder wrote: > On Mon, Jul 29, 2013, at 12:50, Outback Dingo wrote: > > Ive also chosen XEN, XCP specifically, and XENHVM kernels work great on > > 9.1, 9.2-BETA2, and CURRENT > > Personally I wount go anywhere near VMWare > > > > FYI, XCP has been superceded by XenServer 6.2 -- XCP no longer exists > Yupp, This is true also... forgot to mention it :) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 29 18:51:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27018299 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:51:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from florian.heigl@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-x22e.google.com (mail-bk0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4008:c01::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB2232883 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:51:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bk0-f46.google.com with SMTP id 6so422322bkj.5 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:51:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=OKddDSqWUzkmsZsELpQpfg937IZyZKH6dQ4Grm4OVzA=; b=CB5OVyxbrXZBI6Z3K/fzpxDib+lk3l2pi5QJkOOgwoGNAAGuXXTpt84fC+YegnaDRk JHiIjehALgyZcNbyjDXYyPIDNliDoXYPh7Vxs0cSp0q7dBUjaO94iylIy5pRQRM/LmHu JsP4LojXKmlId9QlNVW5ru/BNOZJZIcWwlJ7TtQvkkeYOCfFfIDFtjz4AW4X5kC3/s4M gAV8EovqD5AU6CtwEaPiDHfImp8k2w5PTGsy0dj6YoVJlP8OIIJPmYMgnwajkDhDpBKi hdWkKZpXcReROm82ALak+pPVn0hoYGsNHY7i24ErE7AkAsXnz6qcouf7adzzQ4qnO80M qgcg== X-Received: by 10.204.70.1 with SMTP id b1mr8910300bkj.3.1375123913932; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:a60:113f:b801:a934:fd8b:334c:3078? 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Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Florian Heigl In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 20:51:49 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <91400827-DCA1-4B2F-AC6F-3287E0C85600@gmail.com> References: To: Karl Pielorz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:51:57 -0000 Hi, On 29.07.2013, at 16:23, Karl Pielorz wrote: > Anyone got any recommended / "works for them" advice on what's the = best virtualization platform to run FreeBSD under? (apart from FreeBSD = itself) - we're looking for something commercial / with management etc. = (e.g. HyperV/ESXi etc.) >=20 > We've got some experience running it under VMware - but are looking = for one that offers good driver support (i.e. not 'emulated hardware' = for NIC / disks)? >=20 > The experience we've had so far hasn't been brilliant from an I/O = point of view (hence the push to find out who/what supports FreeBSD = better for I/O drivers) - there's only so far an emulated E1000 can go = :) I've been running FreeBSD on two platforms so far: - Xen (non-support "real" Xen) in paravirtualized and HVM modes; for my = own use I've sticked with that since the days of Xen2. The performance and low of PV mode was what kept me trying it, but most = of the times there have been intolerable bugs, regressions etc. that = were unfixed for years. The worst thing is that bugs generally tend to not get fixed for years = until the next FreeBSD or Xen version somehow makes them go away. This may sound bitter, but I've been working with FreeBSD on Xen for 8 = years now and I'm just saying I've seen this happen. PV Benefits that I also cared about were i.e. online RAM = increase/decrease, that at least worked some time during those years; = with HVM it's not possible. PV is still mostly dead / bugged so it's out of the question. (FYI = XenServer can run both modes too) So, if I want a FreeBSD VM for compiling, testing etc. I'll fire up a = Xen HVM domU; this is exactly what you'd have in XenServer, too. Running XENHVM is something that has worked nicely for me ever since = FreeBSD 8 with performance being very good for networking and "ok" for = disk IO. A really stupid fact is that those two tiny net/disk drivers that you = need for Xen HVM didn't make it into GENERIC in more than two years. You still need to run GENERIC off horribly slow emulated disk devices so = you can finally build your real kernel. Really, there's no single non-stupid reason for that. Xen(Server) has a nice advantage over VMWare in not having per-CPU = memory overhead. I'll also add that I've supported a XenServer farm from 3.x to 6.x and = the time we spent in supporting / fixing it was significantly more than = expected.=20 - VMWare ESXi This is what I have also tried. I'm quite sure I have had the = e1000/vmxnet autoswitching working fine and the overall experience was = just fine. No bugs, no troubles. The platform is perfectly robust and plays nice with FreeBSD (what I'm = trying to say: You can completely skip worrying about platform issues) I've now also inherited management of a medium sized platform running = FreeBSD on ESXi, some 45 VMs I guess. What I notice there is disk throughput being not great and disk IO = latency feels abysmal, especially to someone used PV Xen VMs. My tinderboxes run around 2 days for under 1500 packages. I suspect that my own servers are a bit more powerful than what's under = those VMs. Still, often it's wiser to have a physical, super-responsive FreeBSD box = with jails than many tiny but not snappy FreeBSD VMs on VMWare. Pro sides I didn't mention, for VMWare: - Page sharing will be easier to use than in Xen (and HyperV just went = to a corner, crying) - Snapshots, stuff like VEEAM, VAAI, or better Filer-side snapshots on = NFS and freezing the VM is aeons ahead of XenServer (imho) - HA really exists, if you afford it. (XenServer HA exists but the scope = differs) That brings me to the last points, lessons learned: - Alignment:=20 For all I can tell stock 9.x FreeBSD hasn't gotten the news about disk = alignment, meaning you need to invest some time to fix that, or you = would waste a lot of your performance. - Avoid optimized CFlags if you go with XenServer, or you might run into = bad surprises i.e. if you change your hardware platform. I ended up needing to recompile for AMD on the old server before being = able to move to new hosts. VMWare would have just run GENERIC and never have caused me that trouble = in the first place. Greetings, Florian= From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 29 19:10:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6E248BB for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:10:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@FreeBSD.org) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC5C229AB for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:10:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.45]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8445B20E08 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3 ([10.202.2.213]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:10:21 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=message-id:from:to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to :references; s=smtpout; bh=x0UWJ3sCEZwzMYZXPfNLaashTYY=; b=o5AUB C1f1/Mw7kveRjHXm5zc/e8HQeivv3ElNpA87Abqiw+HHMTkO8/z9nWJO6Lpp6Gr/ 3+nUtGN5x8WUCu2Nr+oOMjPb58DUpaeVRLHneXaze9hcoz9U3a1PmDzIsQdVfytr oj8dbYUV0dQz0oKLRjEy8jfSlbg+kgIHsyqPiU= Received: by web3.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix, from userid 99) id 6814BB01E9D; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1375125021.26149.2939727.6C668A92@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: 6AyJ3unODFWLS5Ro90FqzY3zCI5HSygU+xsqbxcF6rG9 1375125021 From: Mark Felder To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-23e62cd3 Subject: Re: Virtualizing FreeBSD... Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:10:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: <91400827-DCA1-4B2F-AC6F-3287E0C85600@gmail.com> References: <91400827-DCA1-4B2F-AC6F-3287E0C85600@gmail.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:10:23 -0000 On Mon, Jul 29, 2013, at 13:51, Florian Heigl wrote: > - VMWare ESXi > This is what I have also tried. I'm quite sure I have had the > e1000/vmxnet autoswitching working fine and the overall experience was > just fine. > No bugs, no troubles. > The platform is perfectly robust and plays nice with FreeBSD (what I'm > trying to say: You can completely skip worrying about platform issues) > I completely disagree. I've even started a ridiculously long thread about FreeBSD's nonstop crashing on VMWare ESXi. We moved to entirely new hardware, rebuilt the VMs from scratch, new SANs, different ESXi versions, etc. Never fixed it. VMWare kept saying "not a bug" and refused to support FreeBSD, even though they claim to. > I've now also inherited management of a medium sized platform running > FreeBSD on ESXi, some 45 VMs I guess. > What I notice there is disk throughput being not great and disk IO > latency feels abysmal, especially to someone used PV Xen VMs. > > My tinderboxes run around 2 days for under 1500 packages. > > I suspect that my own servers are a bit more powerful than what's under > those VMs. > Still, often it's wiser to have a physical, super-responsive FreeBSD box > with jails than many tiny but not snappy FreeBSD VMs on VMWare. > > Pro sides I didn't mention, for VMWare: > - Page sharing will be easier to use than in Xen (and HyperV just went to > a corner, crying) > - Snapshots, stuff like VEEAM, VAAI, or better Filer-side snapshots on > NFS and freezing the VM is aeons ahead of XenServer (imho) > - HA really exists, if you afford it. (XenServer HA exists but the scope > differs) > > > That brings me to the last points, lessons learned: > - Alignment: > For all I can tell stock 9.x FreeBSD hasn't gotten the news about disk > alignment, meaning you need to invest some time to fix that, or you would > waste a lot of your performance. > - Avoid optimized CFlags if you go with XenServer, or you might run into > bad surprises i.e. if you change your hardware platform. > I ended up needing to recompile for AMD on the old server before being > able to move to new hosts. > VMWare would have just run GENERIC and never have caused me that trouble > in the first place. > > > > Greetings, > Florian > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 29 19:19:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520C5DDE for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:19:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rasmus@postboks.org) Received: from smtp.easyisp.no (smtp.easyisp.no [IPv6:2a02:1660:4104:2b:62:50:189:4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F0CF2A2A for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:19:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2a02:1660:4001:c000:4504:c5e8:2b3b:f60d] (unknown [IPv6:2a02:1660:4001:c000:4504:c5e8:2b3b:f60d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.easyisp.no (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8EB012FB43 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 21:19:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <51F6C03A.3050508@postboks.org> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 21:19:22 +0200 From: Rasmus Fauske User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Virtualizing FreeBSD... References: <91400827-DCA1-4B2F-AC6F-3287E0C85600@gmail.com> <1375125021.26149.2939727.6C668A92@webmail.messagingengine.com> In-Reply-To: <1375125021.26149.2939727.6C668A92@webmail.messagingengine.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:19:25 -0000 Den 29.07.2013 21:10, skrev Mark Felder: > On Mon, Jul 29, 2013, at 13:51, Florian Heigl wrote: >> - VMWare ESXi >> This is what I have also tried. I'm quite sure I have had the >> e1000/vmxnet autoswitching working fine and the overall experience was >> just fine. >> No bugs, no troubles. >> The platform is perfectly robust and plays nice with FreeBSD (what I'm >> trying to say: You can completely skip worrying about platform issues) >> > I completely disagree. I've even started a ridiculously long thread > about FreeBSD's nonstop crashing on VMWare ESXi. We moved to entirely > new hardware, rebuilt the VMs from scratch, new SANs, different ESXi > versions, etc. Never fixed it. VMWare kept saying "not a bug" and > refused to support FreeBSD, even though they claim to. > I have been running FreeBSD on several ESXi setups and have never had any other problem then not so speedy io. No crashes or anything. What problems did you have ? -- RF From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 29 19:44:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC7668D for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:44:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rblayzor.bulk@inoc.net) Received: from mail2.albyny.inoc.net (mail2.albyny.inoc.net [64.22.32.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72AA32B99 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:44:44 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=inoc.net; h=Received:Subject:From:Date:To; b=Mo0YQucgK1kVFE4fAwAc9RroM5WP9ZQkmcPDvMVowKOKUKY6T2E8eCUedEBQ9K5Dev4jRWpGFCFo1EdjOZz0QeylCrajvrYwwPL5hWwroKzVEdRAaTU8XaN+Xm7uJtZO9rEly2Ji+HYm1gjPnvOpUjotqqWZGcusF1UfisoI3uQ=; X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)); Received: from void.ops.inoc.net (catbox.noc.albyny.inoc.net [64.246.135.7]) by mail2.albyny.inoc.net (build v13.6.23) with ESMTP id 3029544-1941382 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:28:23 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Subject: Re: Virtualizing FreeBSD... From: Robert Blayzor In-Reply-To: <51F6C03A.3050508@postboks.org> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:28:23 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4175937E-67BB-4A29-AC13-81ABFBC19E03@inoc.net> References: <91400827-DCA1-4B2F-AC6F-3287E0C85600@gmail.com> <1375125021.26149.2939727.6C668A92@webmail.messagingengine.com> <51F6C03A.3050508@postboks.org> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) X-Authenticated-User: rblayzor@inoc.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:44:44 -0000 On Jul 29, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Rasmus Fauske wrote: >> I completely disagree. I've even started a ridiculously long thread >> about FreeBSD's nonstop crashing on VMWare ESXi. We moved to entirely >> new hardware, rebuilt the VMs from scratch, new SANs, different ESXi >> versions, etc. Never fixed it. VMWare kept saying "not a bug" and >> refused to support FreeBSD, even though they claim to. >>=20 > I have been running FreeBSD on several ESXi setups and have never had = any other problem then not so speedy io. No crashes or anything. >=20 > What problems did you have ? I have to second that. I've not had any problems with FreeBSD 8.x or = 9.x on ESXi 5.x. The only issue I've run into is lack of support for = jumbo frames using the e1000 driver. --=20 Robert Blayzor INOC, LLC rblayzor@inoc.net http://www.inoc.net/~rblayzor/ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 29 19:50:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D4C89C for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:50:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@FreeBSD.org) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE8032BEC for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.42]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E837212EE for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3 ([10.202.2.213]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:50:04 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=message-id:from:to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:in-reply-to:references :subject:date; s=smtpout; bh=40nOskHRZUaCX2TpRt301AV2olo=; b=e4c +8dAVgtLZM3Nw1WWlYd953QSZw7HhNnMa4lUSHYI0kkKpaXpJTXBYkYawiNHSMcr VKxDpKU7DOiVN8KCdVQn03xVsVAWViAKvKiJTXZRUL8crUur3DIeViCtp+JoFPIq pNOuyygOAD/MKz7laO/j3x+MROek+UETsax/S2QM= Received: by web3.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix, from userid 99) id 5236BB01E9F; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1375127404.6230.2955695.0E397D86@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: UwV+UUt2OVAuC2Flm5UeMNIIW9xASrhtrFAutCqWBexg 1375127404 From: Mark Felder To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-23e62cd3 In-Reply-To: <4175937E-67BB-4A29-AC13-81ABFBC19E03@inoc.net> References: <91400827-DCA1-4B2F-AC6F-3287E0C85600@gmail.com> <1375125021.26149.2939727.6C668A92@webmail.messagingengine.com> <51F6C03A.3050508@postboks.org> <4175937E-67BB-4A29-AC13-81ABFBC19E03@inoc.net> Subject: Re: Virtualizing FreeBSD... Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:50:04 -0500 X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:50:08 -0000 I don't know what happened to my long reply I was writing but somehow I sent a partially written draft. Odd. Look here for crazy crash info -- thread goes on for months with no resolve. VMWare refused to acknowledge the bug. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2012-March/239694.html As far as alignment goes -- every OS you use non-local block storage has had step #1 "align your partitions/filesystems". That's been true for at least 20 years; I'm not sure why people would think this is a new development. The good news is that 9.x+ uses GPT by default so the hard work is done for you. If you're having success on VMWare count yourself lucky -- I had a lot of people contact me off-list who couldn't publicly discuss this asking me for help as well. I still occasionally get an email asking if I ever fixed it. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 29 19:52:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38F0AB9 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:52:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from spork@bway.net) Received: from smtp1.bway.net (smtp1.v6.bway.net [IPv6:2607:d300:1::27]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A31AA2C18 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:52:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from toasty.sporklab.com (foon.sporktines.com [96.57.144.66]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: spork@bway.net) by smtp1.bway.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 06B5F95858; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:52:10 -0400 (EDT) References: <91400827-DCA1-4B2F-AC6F-3287E0C85600@gmail.com> <1375125021.26149.2939727.6C668A92@webmail.messagingengine.com> <51F6C03A.3050508@postboks.org> <4175937E-67BB-4A29-AC13-81ABFBC19E03@inoc.net> In-Reply-To: <4175937E-67BB-4A29-AC13-81ABFBC19E03@inoc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <2567535E-A359-4D23-8D9C-B82A13B642CE@bway.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Charles Sprickman Subject: Re: Virtualizing FreeBSD... Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:52:08 -0400 To: Robert Blayzor X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:52:18 -0000 On Jul 29, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Robert Blayzor wrote: > On Jul 29, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Rasmus Fauske = wrote: >>> I completely disagree. I've even started a ridiculously long thread >>> about FreeBSD's nonstop crashing on VMWare ESXi. We moved to = entirely >>> new hardware, rebuilt the VMs from scratch, new SANs, different ESXi >>> versions, etc. Never fixed it. VMWare kept saying "not a bug" and >>> refused to support FreeBSD, even though they claim to. >>>=20 >> I have been running FreeBSD on several ESXi setups and have never had = any other problem then not so speedy io. No crashes or anything. >>=20 >> What problems did you have ? >=20 >=20 > I have to second that. I've not had any problems with FreeBSD 8.x or = 9.x on ESXi 5.x. The only issue I've run into is lack of support for = jumbo frames using the e1000 driver. I'll third that except for this one, which was quite fun to troubleshoot = (only big symptom was that pf was running out of states, and I couldn't = see the traffic that would drive it to that 'state'): http://kb.vmware.com/kb/2032586 Disk IO isn't super impressive, but I have little to compare it to. Also not thrilled about having to use vmware tools built for FreeBSD = 6.x, or not being able to quiesce writes during snapshots. But it works, and with less cursing than I've heard from people running = Xen and all the confusing variants thereof. 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Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Florian Heigl In-Reply-To: <1375127404.6230.2955695.0E397D86@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 22:28:20 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <58B07564-EFD8-4912-822D-E7FF73B5E6C1@gmail.com> References: <91400827-DCA1-4B2F-AC6F-3287E0C85600@gmail.com> <1375125021.26149.2939727.6C668A92@webmail.messagingengine.com> <51F6C03A.3050508@postboks.org> <4175937E-67BB-4A29-AC13-81ABFBC19E03@inoc.net> <1375127404.6230.2955695.0E397D86@webmail.messagingengine.com> To: Mark Felder X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 20:28:26 -0000 On 29.07.2013, at 21:50, Mark Felder wrote: > I don't know what happened to my long reply I was writing but somehow I > sent a partially written draft. Odd. > > Look here for crazy crash info -- thread goes on for months with no > resolve. VMWare refused to acknowledge the bug. > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2012-March/239694.html Thanks. Good to be aware of. > As far as alignment goes -- every OS you use non-local block storage has > had step #1 "align your partitions/filesystems". That's been true for at > least 20 years; I'm not sure why people would think this is a new > development. The good news is that 9.x+ uses GPT by default so the hard > work is done for you. Ok, then I just gotta check whats wrong on my end. And yeah, these days I tend to expect it'll be correct out of the box :) > If you're having success on VMWare count yourself lucky -- I had a lot > of people contact me off-list who couldn't publicly discuss this asking > me for help as well. I still occasionally get an email asking if I ever > fixed it Would you mind sharing the VMWare bug ID? Don't need it myself, since I don't have the error, but: It would help people running into the same thing build up more pressure. Florian From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 31 09:33:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2481E3E for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:33:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kpielorz_lst@tdx.co.uk) Received: from mail.tdx.com (mail.tdx.com [62.13.128.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6729525E1 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:33:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Mail-PC.tdx.co.uk (storm.tdx.co.uk [62.13.130.251]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.tdx.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/) with ESMTP id r6V9WwlF017649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:32:59 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:33:00 +0100 From: Karl Pielorz To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Virtualizing FreeBSD... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <58B07564-EFD8-4912-822D-E7FF73B5E6C1@gmail.com> References: <91400827-DCA1-4B2F-AC6F-3287E0C85600@gmail.com> <1375125021.26149.2939727.6C668A92@webmail.messagingengine.com> <51F6C03A.3050508@postboks.org> <4175937E-67BB-4A29-AC13-81ABFBC19E03@inoc.net> <1375127404.6230.2955695.0E397D86@webmail.messagingengine.com> <58B07564-EFD8-4912-822D-E7FF73B5E6C1@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:33:06 -0000 Thanks to everyone who replied - we've certainly got a lot more info / options to look at now, than we originally had, Regards, -Karl