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Subject: Re: [CFT] lang/python becoming a python binary wrapper
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On 2013-08-17 09:55, Marcus von Appen wrote:
> On 17.08.2013, at 11:22, Kubilay Kocak <koobs.freebsd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 17/08/2013 7:01 PM, Marcus von Appen wrote:
>>> On, Sat Aug 17, 2013, Kubilay Kocak wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 17/08/2013 6:13 PM, Marcus von Appen wrote:
>>>>> The relevant UPDATING entry for the change will look like:
>>>>>
>>>>> 20130817:
>>>>> AFFECTS: users of lang/python*
>>>>> AUTHOR: mva@FreeBSD.org
>>>>>
>>>>> The lang/python* ports do not install links to 2to3, idle, pydoc,
>>>>> python
>>>>> and other binaries anymore. Those were moved into the lang/python2 and
>>>>> lang/python3 ports. If you have lang/python2* or lang/python3*
>>>>> installed,
>>>>> please also install the associated lang/python2 or lang/python3 port.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. update lang/python2* and/or lang/python3*
>>>>> 2. install lang/python2 and/or lang/python3
>>>>> 3. reinstall lang/python (if installed).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think, the instructions should suffice. Please let me know, if you
>>>>> feel that more details are necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>> Minor tweak:
>>>>
>>>> The lang/python* ports no longer install links to 2to3, idle, pydoc,
>>>> python and other binaries. These have been moved into lang/python2 and
>>>> lang/python3 ports respectively. This change allows ... brief
>>>> explanation of benefit here.
>>>>
>>>> Also, what are the "other" binaries, and are they worth mentioning
>>>> explicitly?
>>>
>>> They are not worth mentioning in my opinion, since those would be the
>>> shared builds (python-shared) and config binaries
>>> (python-{shared}-config).
>>>
>>> Right now I would not want to name any specific benefit, since this
>>> could give users the wrong impression that it is available already and
>>> something like
>>>
>>> This change allows the FreeBSD python ports to be used with different
>>> Python versions at the same time as a mid-term goal.
>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>> This change will enable other Python implementations to act as default
>>> Python interpreter in the future.
>>>
>>> feels to vague to me. If you think, it's worth mentioning, I'll put it
>>> in, though.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Marcus
>>
>> Concur, it ought to be clear. How's this:
>>
>> This change brings us closer to the goal of making Python ports usable
>> with different Python versions at the same time.
>>
>
> Sounds good, thanks.
What wasn't clear was that this applied to everybody, whether they knowingly
installed lang/python2* or lang/python3*, or not. Since, installing a port
that wants the python results in lang/python27 being installed by default
(and still does.)
So, when I tried updating www/firefox with portmaster this morning, it broke
python for everything by updating only lang/python27 for me. What happens to
the many other fresh systems when somebody builds their first port that pulls
in the default python, which is lang/python27, but that's not enough for
satisfy the dependency?
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On, Sun Aug 18, 2013, The BSD Dreamer wrote:
[...]
> What wasn't clear was that this applied to everybody, whether they knowingly
> installed lang/python2* or lang/python3*, or not. Since, installing a port
> that wants the python results in lang/python27 being installed by default
> (and still does.)
>
> So, when I tried updating www/firefox with portmaster this morning, it broke
> python for everything by updating only lang/python27 for me. What happens to
> the many other fresh systems when somebody builds their first port that pulls
> in the default python, which is lang/python27, but that's not enough for
> satisfy the dependency?
This was a serious issue in my tests, causing quite some problems and
which was fixed later on that day. It should not be a problem anymore at
the moment.
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Dear all,
after creating quite some fuss with the update yesterday, most issues
could be fixed with pulling in lang/python as run-time and build
dependency on a temporary basis.
The good thing is that everything should work at the moment. The bad
thing is that we have a lot of ports
a) being not compatible with different python versions, but using
${PREFIX}/bin/python
b) suffering from cross-port dependency issues, which cause some
dependency of the ports to be built pulling in a python version,
which the port implicitly expects at build and run-time.
Let's look at a) first. www/node requires the fixed python version 2.7
at build time. Within its build infrastructure it uses
${PREFIX}/bin/python, though, expecting the system that this python
version will be the correct one.
Users specifying python3.x as default won't be able to build that port
at the moment. Several other ports suffer from a similar problem, either
at build or run-time, making it impossible (at the moment), to use a
python version different from our pre-defined default (2.7) properly.
Several ports allow us to override the python version, either by
defining --with-python (for many autotools configure scripts) or setting
a PYTHON environment variable. Several do not, but use `python`
hard-coded in their files or use shebang lines such as
`#!/usr/bin/env python`.
Those ports need to be fixed to properly pull in the correct python
version. Many of them can be fixed quite easily by adding post-patch
targets, specifying CONFIGURE_ARGS or setting a MAKE_ENV variable to use
the correct ${PYTHON_CMD}.
This is a necessary task to be done and requires us to test each port,
which adds python as dependency via USE_PYTHON.
b) is a bit more complicated. A prominent example, that broke several
ports at once, is x11-toolkits/gtk20. It installs a script
/usr/local/bin/gtk-builder-convert, which uses the
`#!/usr/bin/env python` shebang. gtk20 did not define a run-time
dependency on python, though. This caused several gnome ports to fail on
build, since lang/python was not pulled in as dependency and hence no
${PREFIX}/bin/python could be used by the script. The whole construct
worked, because some other port added lang/python27 before, so that this
flaw remained undiscovered.
If we want to support different python versions for package building, we
have to take the bitter pill and check the ports for those
cross-dependency issues. This basically means lang/python may only be
added as dependency by a port, if it is guaranteed that the port works
with _every_ python version.
Both variations can be tested more or less easily. The last hack I added
yesterday, was to add lang/python in bsd.python.mk, so that it is
guaranteed to be around now.
Removing it from bsd.python.mk should reveal those issues again. On
testing, it must be assured, that no port uses lang/python directly, so
that it is not added as dependency and thus neither bin/python nor
bin/python2 or bin/python3 are around.
Those both parts are high priority tasks on my agenda before moving on
with everything else. It will be time consuming, though, since we have
to inform maintainers about those changes prior to get the commit
approval. The status quo of pulling in lang/python can be preserved a
the same time, since the change can be tested locally and should not
have any impact on the upstream ports tree.
How would the testing look like?
1. Remove the lang/python dependency from bsd.python.mk in a local ports
tree.
2. Inspect, build and install the port to check
3. If it fails to build or run, fix it
4. Report the fix to the maintainer (and to the upstream developers,
where possible)
5. Get the commit approval, sanity-test on the upstream ports tree
6. Commit
I think, we also should let maintainers know on ports@ about that, with
a brief guide to test their ports for those flaws, so they can assist in
testing and fixing their own ports. Maybe we can even get a redports
build server with the necessary modifications, so we and the maintainers
can test the ports.
Cheers
Marcus
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Note: to view an individual PR, use:
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The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users.
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S Tracker Resp. Description
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f ports/181043 python [patch] databases/py-carbon: Enhance the init script
f ports/181042 python [patch] www/py-graphite-web: Correct setup directions
o ports/181008 python [maintainer update] for graphics/py-openimageio
f ports/180549 python databases/py-swift: update to 1.9.0
o ports/180464 python [patch] Update astro/py-pyfits to 3.1.2
f ports/180327 python bug fix: bugfixes for security/py-fail2ban port
o ports/180165 python [PATCH] devel/py27-distribute: Fix install and deinsta
o ports/179558 python Using portupgrade to (forcefully) upgrade devel/py-dis
o ports/178748 python [patch] lang/python27: dbm module fails to build
o ports/178301 python [patch] lang/python2[67]: SEM option is inconsistent
o ports/178242 python bsd.python.mk injection of @exec easy_install to PLIST
f ports/178094 python math/py-numpy dependency on atlas assumes existing ins
o ports/176714 python games/py-fife: fixed make package
o ports/171584 python lang/python32 built in a clean enviroment produces a p
o ports/171246 python [patch] lang/python27: make python curses module work
o ports/170788 python lang/python27: PyQT applications crash Python 2.7 (cor
o ports/170566 python update graphics/py-opengl depends on old version of gc
f ports/167530 python [patch] security/py-fail2ban will never ever start wit
o ports/167368 python [bsd.python.mk] [patch] Python version propagation bre
f ports/165545 python [patch]: net-mgmt/collectd5 doesn't compile against la
o ports/163467 python lang/python27: Ports using python 2.7 and "waf" interm
o ports/156759 python [patch] lang/python: kevent does not accept KQ_NOTE_EX
o ports/155526 python [PATCH] devel/py-elementtree: ignore if python >= 2.5
f ports/154209 python [PATCH] lang/python: Install symlink for ptags
o ports/149167 python lang/python26 fails to build _ctypes on Sheevaplug (AR
o ports/146823 python [patch] lang/python26: knob to build _ctypes module ag
26 problems total.
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Maintainer of sysutils/py-salt-api,
Please note that PR ports/181440 has just been submitted.
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Looks good. Thanks for taking care of this.
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Edwin Groothuis <edwin@freebsd.org> wrote:
> Maintainer of sysutils/py-salt-api,
>
> Please note that PR ports/181440 has just been submitted.
>
> If it contains a patch for an upgrade, an enhancement or a bug fix
> you agree on, reply to this email stating that you approve the patch
> and a committer will take care of it.
>
> The full text of the PR can be found at:
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/181440
>
> --
> Edwin Groothuis via the GNATS Auto Assign Tool
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Looks good. Thanks for taking care of this.</div><div clas=
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t 5:40 PM, Edwin Groothuis <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:edwin@fr=
eebsd.org" target=3D"_blank">edwin@freebsd.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Maintainer of sysutils/py-salt-api,<br>
<br>
Please note that PR ports/181440 has just been submitted.<br>
<br>
If it contains a patch for an upgrade, an enhancement or a bug fix<br>
you agree on, reply to this email stating that you approve the patch<br>
and a committer will take care of it.<br>
<br>
The full text of the PR can be found at:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3Dports=
/181440" target=3D"_blank">http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3Dpor=
ts/181440</a><br>
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Dear FreeBSD port maintainer:
As part of an ongoing effort to reduce the number of problems in
the FreeBSD ports system, we periodically schedule removal of ports
that have been judged to have outlived their usefulness. Often,
this is due to a better alternative having become available and/or
the cessation of development on the existing port. In some cases,
ports are marked for removal because they fail to build and install
correctly from their sources, or otherwise fail in operation.
The ports, and the reason and date that they have been scheduled
for removal, are listed below. If no one has stepped forward before
that time to propose a way to fix the problems (such as via a PR),
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portname: lang/python26
description: Interpreted object-oriented programming language
maintainer: python@FreeBSD.org
deprecated because: This port will reach it's EoL upstream soon, please
migrate to lang/python27
expiration date: 2013-10-01
build errors: none.
overview: http://portsmon.FreeBSD.org/portoverview.py?category=lang&portname=python26
portname: lang/python31
description: Interpreted object-oriented programming language
maintainer: python@FreeBSD.org
deprecated because: This port will reach it's EoL upstream soon, please
migrate to lang/python33
expiration date: 2014-06-01
build errors: none.
overview: http://portsmon.FreeBSD.org/portoverview.py?category=lang&portname=python31
If this problem is one that you are already aware of, please accept
our apologies and ignore this message. On the other hand, if you no
longer wish to maintain this port (or ports), please reply with a
message stating that, and accept our thanks for your efforts in the
past.
Thanks for your efforts to help improve FreeBSD.
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Dear all,
the meta-ports are available and we are ready to move on to bring the
python ports into shape for different python versions and (later on)
different python implementations.
There are a couple of issues (in order to be done) within the ports tree
to sort out before moving on:
- bsd.python.mk private variables are used in port Makefiles
This especially relates to the usage of _PYTHON_VERSION within several
ports and needs to be changed to PYTHON_VERSION.
This is a cleanup task that should not have any impact on the ports.
- USE_PYTHON vs. PYTHON_VERSION. There is no explicit need for a port to
set PYTHON_VERSION to enforce a certain python version. If a port
needs this, it should use USE_PYTHON=<version> instead.
PYTHON_VERSION shall still exist as readonly variable, but not
be reassigned by port Makefiles.
This is a cleanup task, which should lead to a more clear
bsd.python.mk variable usage within the ports.
- fix ports not to use `python` as command at build and in some cases
run-time (see below for the problems with that)
- Introduce support USE_PYTHON=2|3
If a port does not care about a specific Python minor release, it
should pull in the meta ports wherever possible. This is only a
cosmetic behaviour to avoid cross-dependency problems with ports
asking for different python versions (see below for the problems
behind the scenes)
- enhance USE_PYTHON=yes to pull in lang/python and rely on whatever the
user specified as default python version. As before, a cosmetic change
to get rid of the current workaround that always pulls in lang/python.
"The problems with that" / "The problems behind the scenes"
Some ports ask for `python` at build or run-time. This is plainly wrong
for about 99 percent of the ports and only worked in the past, because
at least one python port installed itself as bin/python and noone
changed the default python version with using a lot of ports at the same
time. It is wrong insofar as it relies on the assumption that each
port using `python` works with the current version that identifies
itself as `python`.
Let's assume to have a Python C extension installed (e.g. one of the
million py-XXX ports installing .so files) for the current default
version 2.7. The .so module links against libpython2.7.so, stuff is
installed in lib/python2.7/site-packages, scripts however use
#!/usr/bin/env python and rely on the .so module. Changing the default
python to a different python version will cause the script to be unable
to work anymore, for obvious ABI compatibility reasons.
Thus, every port installing stuff into site-packages or linking against
the python libraries _must_ use the explicit python version for scripts,
binaries and whatnot.
Some ports install scripts without actually using Python itself
(e.g. x11-toolkits/gtk20). For those, it must be ensured that the
scripts work for different python versions without modification or they
have to be changed to use either a meta port python version (python2 or
python3) or an explicit python version.
Fixing ports using `python` is not as hard as it sounds, in my
opinion. Thanks to Uses/shebangfix.mk and the possibility to override
python_OLD_CMD and python_CMD in there, we can fix a huge set of ports
simply by adding
SHEBANG_FILES= <files>
to the port Makefile and
python_CMD= ${PYTHON_VERSION} (or ${PYTHON_CMD})
to bsd.python.mk. This will leave us with a small set of ports that need
a post-patch target or something similar to be fixed.
The first two cleanup task(s) will start as soon as possible and
hopefully will be done in a week or two.
I'm CC'ing kwm@ within this mail, since he has a vivid interest on that
topic (for getting gnome3 into the tree). Please keep him CC'd within
this thread until he tells us not to.
Cheers
Marcus
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Subject: Re: ports/181503: [NEW PORT] devel/py-xmltodict: XML parser that
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freebsd-python@ wants this port PRs (via the GNATS Auto Assign Tool)
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