From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 17 01:46:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5854DC8 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 01:46:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from ozzie.tundraware.com (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F059B66 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 01:46:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (viper.tundraware.com [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by ozzie.tundraware.com (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r2H1ke6s004524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 20:46:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Message-ID: <51452080.7090909@tundraware.com> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 20:46:40 -0500 From: Tim Daneliuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130308 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: NFS Performance: Weirder And Weirder References: <5144BEB7.3090906@tundraware.com> <5144ED13.7020808@tundraware.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (ozzie.tundraware.com [192.168.0.1]); Sat, 16 Mar 2013 20:46:40 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: r2H1ke6s004524 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 01:46:58 -0000 On 03/16/2013 05:43 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > Michael W. Lucas in Absolute FeeBSD , 2nd Edition , ( ISBN : 978-1-59327-151-0 ) , > is suggesting the following ( p. 248 ) : > > In client ( mount , or , fstab ) , use options ( -o tcp , intr , soft , -w=32768 , -r=32768 ) > > tcp option will request a TCP mount instead of UDP mount , because FreeBSD NFS defaults to running over UDF . > > This subject may be another check point . > Another very good suggestion but ... to no avail. Thanks for pointing this out. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 17 03:15:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C156F5C9 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 03:15:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ve0-f174.google.com (mail-ve0-f174.google.com [209.85.128.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F83AEA0 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 03:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f174.google.com with SMTP id pb11so3605662veb.33 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 20:15:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=SXJ1GsChoLxKpDT6U6hapL7XWTvYVwA6lMIG6MkCHUQ=; b=X1BGju9wPVH8IspD7G3Wd5k5DSKglf5+wjAn/IpNAe4Wg6SWexF8lj0FmeMkS0Sqp2 lfcC5Wc00pP1veAotI45zAhtdYgHNT/ZcVtgGmyro1EB5AaQ1tRhvN3fmjok8ZnDLs7W nulQYoedjwj57YxSjmUPphSo9uZYmoV+vaE3kpCWcnk3Qk+cbGR18Ptr66wi4NkB2Mxj dHD+rm0w4d3/XnUYriQ8bytjs7GHPVtKbYF9GzqXuaEqbDG+9ftEWYoB31n9cqgevuvm qqSf1UYrt8sPhx6B4Y4W848ryoRxioQGQGBZH8J5HsdAucB/Q+106RplThkBoTuP5sSn Y13w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.40.9 with SMTP id i9mr13771921vce.23.1363490109720; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 20:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.132.203 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 20:15:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51452080.7090909@tundraware.com> References: <5144BEB7.3090906@tundraware.com> <5144ED13.7020808@tundraware.com> <51452080.7090909@tundraware.com> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 20:15:09 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: NFS Performance: Weirder And Weirder From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Tim Daneliuk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 03:15:16 -0000 On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 03/16/2013 05:43 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > >> >> > Michael W. Lucas in Absolute FeeBSD , 2nd Edition , ( ISBN : >> 978-1-59327-151-0 ) , >> is suggesting the following ( p. 248 ) : >> >> In client ( mount , or , fstab ) , use options ( -o tcp , intr , soft , >> -w=32768 , -r=32768 ) >> >> tcp option will request a TCP mount instead of UDP mount , because >> FreeBSD NFS defaults to running over UDF . >> >> This subject may be another check point . >> >> > > Another very good suggestion but ... to no avail. Thanks for pointing > this out. > > -- > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > ---------------- > Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com > PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ > > I have read messages once more . There is a phrase : Linux Mint 12 machineS ( plural ) . In your descriptions , there is no any information about network setup : Single client , multiple clients , etc . Then , with some assumptions : If there is ONLY ONE client , and all of the tests are performed on this ONLY client , problem may be attributed to FreeBSD server or kind of file(s) in different directories : One of the is encrypted ( requires decryption ) , another is plain file , etc. . If there is MORE than ONE client , problem may be attributed to any one the components of the network ( server , clients , switch , cable , NICs , interfering other software , etc. ) . Assume there is MULTIPLE clients : Take two clients of them : (A) Client 1 : Mount two directories . (B) Client 2 : Mount two directories . Test transmission performance : If they are similar , inspect server settings , directory privileges , etc . , file systems ( one is ZFS , other is UFS2 , etc. ) . All of the hardware may work properly , but if the file reading is not able to feed NIC sufficiently fast , it may show up as degraded performance . Increasing NIC buffer size ( as standard it is around 1000 bytes ) to maximum available , may offset latency of supply of data to NIC . If they are different : Check client specialties : A cable may be CAT5 ( only maximum 100 Mbits transfer . Network cards are adaptive , they try 1 Gbits , if it is not achievable , it reduces to speed to 100 Mbits , even to 10 Mbits ) . In that case either use CAT6 cable or CAT5x ( for 1 Gbit transmission , I do not remember x now ) The cable kind should be written on cable , if it is not written , select a properly labelled cable . Interchange cable tips to clients : If performance interchanges also : Cable or SWITCH port is faulty : Check switch port : It may be a 100 Mbits , be sure that it is also 1 Gbits and working properly . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 17 03:46:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB67A82A for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 03:46:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from ozzie.tundraware.com (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E111F42 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 03:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (viper.tundraware.com [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by ozzie.tundraware.com (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r2H3kl9a007310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 22:46:47 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Message-ID: <51453CA6.4060004@tundraware.com> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 22:46:46 -0500 From: Tim Daneliuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130308 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: NFS Performance: Weirder And Weirder References: <5144BEB7.3090906@tundraware.com> <5144ED13.7020808@tundraware.com> <51452080.7090909@tundraware.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (ozzie.tundraware.com [192.168.0.1]); Sat, 16 Mar 2013 22:46:47 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: r2H3kl9a007310 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 03:46:59 -0000 On 03/16/2013 10:15 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Tim Daneliuk > wrote: > > On 03/16/2013 05:43 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > > > Michael W. Lucas in Absolute FeeBSD , 2nd Edition , ( ISBN : 978-1-59327-151-0 ) , > is suggesting the following ( p. 248 ) : > > In client ( mount , or , fstab ) , use options ( -o tcp , intr , soft , -w=32768 , -r=32768 ) > > tcp option will request a TCP mount instead of UDP mount , because FreeBSD NFS defaults to running over UDF . > > This subject may be another check point . > > > > Another very good suggestion but ... to no avail. Thanks for pointing > this out. > > -- > ------------------------------__------------------------------__---------------- > Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com > PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ > > > > I have read messages once more . > > There is a phrase : Linux Mint 12 machineS ( plural ) . > > In your descriptions , there is no any information about network setup : > > Single client , > multiple clients , etc . > > Then , with some assumptions : > > If there is ONLY ONE client , and all of the tests are performed on this ONLY client , > problem may be attributed to FreeBSD server or kind of file(s) in different directories : > One of the is encrypted ( requires decryption ) , another is plain file , etc. . There is one server - FreeBSD, and one client - LM12. Both have had their cables replaced with new CAT6 wiring. Copying the exact same file to each of the NFS mounts exhibits the problem. Reading from the two NFS mount is fast and as expected, so I do not suspect network issues. The two drives used on the server show similar disk performance locally. The server side exports are identical for both mounts as are the client side mounts. The ONLY difference is that the "fast" NFS mount has server side permissions of 777 whereas the "slow" NFS mount has server side permissions of 775. Both are owned by root:wheel. The contents of each filesystem are owned by a user in the wheel group. The one other difference is that all the contents of the slow mount are in a particular user group, and all the ones in the fast mount are in the wheel group. Changing the group ownership of all the stuff in the slow mount to wheel makes no difference. The problem appears to be size related on the slow mount. When I copy, say, a 100MB file to it, performance is just fine. When I copy a 1G file, it's 1/20 the throughput (45MB/sec vs 2MB/sec). This feels like some kind of buffer starvation but the fact that I can run at full speed against another mount point leaves me scratching my head as to just where. It's almost like there's some kind of halting going on during the transfer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 17 04:56:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 044D5176 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 04:56:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ve0-f171.google.com (mail-ve0-f171.google.com [209.85.128.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC2910A for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 04:56:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f171.google.com with SMTP id b10so3598904vea.2 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 21:56:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=NCM4EMcd1hX2KFNirVBB2mL7KkKL6FXfwJlF3WL2se8=; b=YM8uKdcIIwMgcg/ABfQo8lmYNty5fF+OQnVZvG8m0mxkDuQcfmeznfCcTOvewuejtv TPpJM2yqSTDazz/QHpyi4hbAevvTl8hbfCIbFGLLbWDw4+hKTkgiRdanT9rMQkGUpGQq TLNnlLMRNDWIg/Q/480yaqoIL/3CpF9IViSFZdBOEu+HyO6mss0LUI+7ksW+cvVpsaY5 mm/I6yunD9XERrqXlZVnOq4JFnCEXHRxSyb/bni6vxiJs/BvKosNS/gYcOaiURsJwIQw bnvC16lsLWMtBVP+mW/D8Kf7Akoa5BERjEaWQoG57dvAeN4zEuZJUSTYNK6NWQtL65A8 V1CA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.222.8 with SMTP id ie8mr14011059vcb.27.1363496164111; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 21:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.132.203 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 21:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 21:56:04 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: NFS Performance: Weirder And Weirder From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 04:56:11 -0000 There is one more point to check : >From your mount information , in the server , directories are on DIFFERENT drives . Assume one of the drives is very "INTELLIGENT" to save power . During local reading , due to reading speed , it may not go to "SLEEP" , but during network access , it may go to sleep due to its exceeded waiting time . If this is the case , please stay away from INTELLIGENT drives in a server : These are designed and produced by very IGNORANT entities . For simple , personal applications , their latency may not be noticed very much , but in a server , they can not be used . Another point may be file sizes . To check effect of file size , into the two different directories copy a large ( for example , 5 GB , or a 4.n GB .iso file ) and transmit these same files from their directories to a single client . If directory structure makes a difference , assuming hardware parts and client does not behave differently to these files , performance difference may be attributed to server side . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 17 08:37:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92C1170 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 08:37:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ted.reynard@yahoo.com) Received: from nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F3CD17CD for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 08:37:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [77.238.189.55] by nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2013 08:37:43 -0000 Received: from [212.82.98.65] by tm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2013 08:37:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2013 08:37:43 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 30148.94983.bm@omp1002.mail.ir2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 17955 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Mar 2013 08:37:42 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1363509462; bh=pixr5j6jJUGkN9iIY3ydCE1vcla3VtbSAUEWOkaeMhY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vnJqaAY9aF2F+FEhYH1YJbP+fB+iNy4wKfdQxMuEld/nQNx9+qgRGO07E16UrC6ZJcbkettQXfke3BCpWYraJxRU+pEl09KEpqw8pVa4kehYtEiOAmmFgIlN1gB6arp5/PUKsxrTAKEH+noxVJdqNt0XkLjvO0jcFA7O/iagj9U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iaeEYtEMTNjxNoumrSbjib0dvrjK/A/mYu/1VQeuUdjX0BSczpvv/EvJeAIbdf0kxYzceY3DV3LBrIvFJXhvnieHSAHrsFlJkdxXMkXtsnpt+BLYS/YHSKc+sPdpe5y3AUv0wgWewwD8/ejzn34IqrxEuiLJylKbjM3uvB8Rxek=; X-YMail-OSG: dufLWSMVM1kYoNmpoNHJOdrHaheYhlmg73pxaPXCbeXKIcr y_UPBNFMGiqc044OHftZMllgxVJP1Oknt2qFBKH1VELIpXKqEKQlEFGnI8dg yPUdjVeuFsw8oUAmSk0gS_UIaHZSukzaiPTl.ry.ftDTckIPvwePsO9FMhWw OOx8msLXH991hAjjQefhCGLBUs9PHs0gAwAKytOvKsrmgqhn370J3bhjc7qA 4vTNhSBy5z2mMF5CaHiCV1HZ6yylSucpNcOGxEJuxkWJfFEDQSOpVtxEWXbE UpyBaqgZCVxSWWLzwGCs2oUfGP4MkOOqJ.DQ_1k_ApwhETrsMXmpylbud4bU aHnocWR3emSE5Srk4vkoLiTAY8SQN2_yn2HuLUwuTnnqic4P5zFH2qQlx.yV NCRDcXmvbJ3b5hDJOes1VRS4iBkp.H6Nz1g-- Received: from [94.183.246.198] by web133106.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 08:37:42 GMT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001, SGkgZmVsbGFzCkknbSB0cnlpbmcgdG8gY29ubmVjdCB0byBhIENJU0NPIHJvdXRlciBieSBhIHByb2dyYW0gd2hpY2ggSSBkZXZlbG9wZWQgdXNpbmcgdGVybWlvcy4KRmlyc3QgSSBjb25maWd1cmUgdGhlIGxvY2FsIFRUWSB0byByaWdodCBzZXR0aW5ncyA6CsKgwqDCoCBzdHJ1Y3QgdGVybWlvcyBvbGQgPSB7MH07CsKgwqDCoCAvKmdldCBjdXJyZW50IFRUWSBzZXR0aW5ncyovCsKgwqDCoCBpZiAodGNnZXRhdHRyKFNURElOX0ZJTEVOTywgJm9sZCkgPCAwKQrCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoCBwZXJyb3IoInRjc2UBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.137.519 Message-ID: <1363509462.77245.YahooMailNeo@web133106.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 08:37:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Ted Reynard Subject: serial programming using terios To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ted Reynard List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 08:37:50 -0000 Hi fellas=0AI'm trying to connect to a CISCO router by a program which I de= veloped using termios.=0AFirst I configure the local TTY to right settings = :=0A=A0=A0=A0 struct termios old =3D {0};=0A=A0=A0=A0 /*get current TTY set= tings*/=0A=A0=A0=A0 if (tcgetattr(STDIN_FILENO, &old) < 0)=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 perror("tcsetattr()");=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 old.c_iflag &=3D ~= (ISTRIP|ICRNL);=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 old.c_oflag &=3D ~OPOST;=0A=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 old.c_lflag &=3D ~(ICANON|IEXTEN|ECHO|ECHONL);=0A=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0 old.c_cc[VMIN] =3D 1;=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 old.c_cc[VTIME] = =3D 0;=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 if (tcsetattr(0, TCSANOW/*TCSAFLUSH*/, &old)= < 0)=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 perror("tcsetattr ICA= NON");=0A=0A=0AAnd then the TTY which users want to use=A0=0A=A0=A0=A0 stru= ct termios dev;=0Astatic int port=3Datoi(argv[1]);=0A=0A=A0int fd =3D open_= port(port);=0A=0Afcntl(fd, F_SETFL, FNDELAY); =0Atcgetattr(mainfd, &dev);= =0Acfsetspeed(&dev, speed);=0Adev.c_cflag |=3D (CLOCAL | CREAD);=0Adev.c_cf= lag &=3D ~PARENB;=0Adev.c_cflag |=3D CSTOPB;=0A=0Adev.c_cflag &=3D ~CSIZE;= =0Adev.c_cflag |=3D CS8;=0Adev.c_cflag &=3D ~CRTSCTS;=0Adev.c_iflag &=3D ~= (ISTRIP|ICRNL);=0Adev.c_oflag &=3D ~OPOST;=0Adev.c_lflag &=3D ~(ICANON|ISIG= |IEXTEN|ECHO);=0Adev.c_cc[VMIN] =3D 1;=0Adev.c_cc[VTIME] =3D 0;=0A=0AAnd I = have two threads to handle read and write simultaneously. The problem is I = have to add at least 2 seconds delay =0Aafter writing user input to the por= t, otherwise the output would not be what I expect. Without this sleep=0Aco= mmand, every character I type, the output is shown with next character; not= at time :=0A=0ARouter>=0ARouter>abc // While I typed "abcd". If I continue= with typing "e", then the output will be "abcd" and so on ...=0A=0AAm I mi= ssing something?=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 17 08:45:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A149240 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 08:45:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sam.gh1986@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-x235.google.com (mail-la0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A9C7F7 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 08:45:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f53.google.com with SMTP id fr10so5113732lab.12 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 01:45:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+Cub6NHPFUt+zVPRj8ve7qaAgG9wNyjZFPmIaT7RslA=; b=hAU7b4RYRJhbONCjTnMZAQwlTVsCcEex+y5JHLWg3kr2EW3mUzL9jfemdxJGLVDe1C mPuYfE1lwTmAOJBbpdxjIKjCi0X9pblCTOlpKywTlRYKxCuB/mni1f2kxwdHExRrPXpp FYikO8u21uR6Tp10uiRFwHf6K4ULmsO//imz1aTUueiEx3N+3yVE1thH2zL34VQN95y7 uoqGPWXi3kOqNRCQfeOKqoWvkEnohzZjvWAKn8LyqNcu6JKbfLEzmo5hv0MZueC+D4LB MrPvGVag/nvhavwM06HJtJ0Zdkz4Wx6dxcNqSMWC05GmZBN5hXeKVNL2qae5k5iY9I5T 8cSw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.23.35 with SMTP id j3mr4733706lbf.60.1363509954002; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 01:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.143.201 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 01:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 12:15:53 +0330 Message-ID: Subject: how run snort in quiet and deamon mode From: s m To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 08:45:56 -0000 hello guys i have a freebsd8.2 and wanna run snort on it. my snort version is 2.9.3.1. i want to run snort in deamon mode and quietly. man page says that "D" flag is for running snort in deamon mode and "q" flag is to run it quietly(do not show startup message). my problem is, these two flag can not work together. when i run "snort -q -D" or "snort -D -q", snort run in deamon mode but some startup messages are shown. when i run "snort -q" no message is shown. i know it is so simple issue but i do not know how to do that. any hints or comments are appreciated. sam From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 17 18:05:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4DB726 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:05:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C057B66 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:05:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UHHxa-0007Yt-45 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:05:30 +0100 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:05:30 +0100 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:05:30 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Subject: Problem with news/pan Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:04:54 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 14 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.139 (Sexual Chocolate; GIT bf56508 git://git.gnome.org/pan2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:05:15 -0000 This port (pan-0.139_1) will again not compile on 9.1-RELEASE (amd64). There are problems (with gtkspell) when using the default options, which are: GTK3 off gtkspell on The only way I dould get it to compile was by using 'make config' to turn the gtkspell option off. I hope Lowell Gilbert sees this, as he did such a splendid (and quick) job tracking down and applying the patch for a previous (different) problem. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 17 18:24:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84619E1A for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:24:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DD7CEB for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:24:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UHIG4-0005lg-Hs for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:24:36 +0100 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:24:36 +0100 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:24:36 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Subject: Re: Problem with news/pan Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.139 (Sexual Chocolate; GIT bf56508 git://git.gnome.org/pan2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:24:15 -0000 On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:04:54 +0000, Walter Hurry wrote: > dould s/dould/could/. No spell checker! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 17 18:46:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C5C42A for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:46:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F09ADA7 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-1-27.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.1.27]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7270F24856; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:46:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r2HIkPeT001931; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:46:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:46:25 +0100 From: Polytropon To: s m Subject: Re: how run snort in quiet and deamon mode Message-Id: <20130317194625.3c4307c6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:46:26 -0000 On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 12:15:53 +0330, s m wrote: > hello guys > > i have a freebsd8.2 and wanna run snort on it. my snort version is > 2.9.3.1. i want to run snort in deamon mode and quietly. man page says > that "D" flag is for running snort in deamon mode and "q" flag is to > run it quietly(do not show startup message). my problem is, these two > flag can not work together. when i run "snort -q -D" or "snort -D -q", > snort run in deamon mode but some startup messages are shown. when i > run "snort -q" no message is shown. > > i know it is so simple issue but i do not know how to do that. any > hints or comments are appreciated. Maybe you can start the program as a (quite) background process? snort -q & If you encounter issues related to "controlling terminal disconnect", you can use the system's "daemon" command to basically do what -D would do, or use the port "detach". daemon snort -q See "man daemon" for options you might need to add. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 17 19:36:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF4F283 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:36:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from ozzie.tundraware.com (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B815EF3 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:36:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (viper.tundraware.com [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by ozzie.tundraware.com (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r2HJajq0068703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 14:36:45 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Message-ID: <51461B4D.2070806@tundraware.com> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 14:36:45 -0500 From: Tim Daneliuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130308 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Looks Like New Changes To 'install' Break Mergemaster Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (ozzie.tundraware.com [192.168.0.1]); Sun, 17 Mar 2013 14:36:45 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: r2HJajq0068703 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:36:59 -0000 $ mergemaster -Fi *** The directory specified for the temporary root environment, /var/tmp/temproot, exists. This can be a security risk if untrusted users have access to the system. Use 'd' to delete the old /var/tmp/temproot and continue Use 't' to select a new temporary root directory Use 'e' to exit mergemaster Default is to use /var/tmp/temproot as is How should I deal with this? [Use the existing /var/tmp/temproot] d *** Deleting the old /var/tmp/temproot *** Creating the temporary root environment in /var/tmp/temproot *** /var/tmp/temproot ready for use *** Creating and populating directory structure in /var/tmp/temproot install: illegal option -- l usage: install [-bCcMpSsv] [-B suffix] [-f flags] [-g group] [-m mode] [-o owner] file1 file2 install [-bCcMpSsv] [-B suffix] [-f flags] [-g group] [-m mode] [-o owner] file1 ... fileN directory install -d [-v] [-g group] [-m mode] [-o owner] directory ... *** FATAL ERROR: Cannot 'cd' to /usr/src and install files to the temproot environment From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 17 19:52:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A6234D4 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:52:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from ozzie.tundraware.com (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3155BF62 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:52:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (viper.tundraware.com [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by ozzie.tundraware.com (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r2HJqOl7069993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 14:52:24 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Message-ID: <51461EF8.9020106@tundraware.com> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 14:52:24 -0500 From: Tim Daneliuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130308 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Looks Like New Changes To 'install' Break Mergemaster References: <51461B4D.2070806@tundraware.com> In-Reply-To: <51461B4D.2070806@tundraware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (ozzie.tundraware.com [192.168.0.1]); Sun, 17 Mar 2013 14:52:24 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: r2HJqOl7069993 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:52:38 -0000 On 03/17/2013 02:36 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > $ mergemaster -Fi > > *** The directory specified for the temporary root environment, > /var/tmp/temproot, exists. This can be a security risk if untrusted > users have access to the system. > > Use 'd' to delete the old /var/tmp/temproot and continue > Use 't' to select a new temporary root directory > Use 'e' to exit mergemaster > > Default is to use /var/tmp/temproot as is > > How should I deal with this? [Use the existing /var/tmp/temproot] d > > *** Deleting the old /var/tmp/temproot > > *** Creating the temporary root environment in /var/tmp/temproot > *** /var/tmp/temproot ready for use > *** Creating and populating directory structure in /var/tmp/temproot > > install: illegal option -- l > usage: install [-bCcMpSsv] [-B suffix] [-f flags] [-g group] [-m mode] > [-o owner] file1 file2 > install [-bCcMpSsv] [-B suffix] [-f flags] [-g group] [-m mode] > [-o owner] file1 ... fileN directory > install -d [-v] [-g group] [-m mode] [-o owner] directory ... > > *** FATAL ERROR: Cannot 'cd' to /usr/src and install files to > the temproot environment > More specifically, running 'sh -x mergemaster' show us this: > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" + cd /usr/src + od=/var/tmp/temproot/usr/obj + make -m /usr/src/share/mk DESTDIR=/var/tmp/temproot distrib-dirs + MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/var/tmp/temproot/usr/obj make -m /usr/src/share/mk _obj SUBDIR_OVERRIDE=etc + MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/var/tmp/temproot/usr/obj make -m /usr/src/share/mk everything SUBDIR_OVERRIDE=etc + MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/var/tmp/temproot/usr/obj make -m /usr/src/share/mk DESTDIR=/var/tmp/temproot distribution install: illegal option -- l usage: install [-bCcMpSsv] [-B suffix] [-f flags] [-g group] [-m mode] [-o owner] file1 file2 install [-bCcMpSsv] [-B suffix] [-f flags] [-g group] [-m mode] [-o owner] file1 ... fileN directory install -d [-v] [-g group] [-m mode] [-o owner] directory ... + echo '' + echo ' *** FATAL ERROR: Cannot '\''cd'\'' to /usr/src and install files to' *** FATAL ERROR: Cannot 'cd' to /usr/src and install files to + echo ' the temproot environment' the temproot environment + echo '' + exit 1 -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 17 20:01:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E40C7D4 for ; 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Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:36:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from rc3.surewest.net (rc3.surewest.net [66.60.130.52]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8FF018A for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp4.surewest.net ([66.60.130.145]) by rc3.surewest.net ({89e988b2-2a53-469e-91f0-3e9924092bec}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20130317203619855; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:36:19 +0000 X-RC-FROM: Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by smtp4.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F023E893E0; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 13:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (mykitchentable.net [69.62.230.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D5BA79C1AD; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 13:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (tagalong-II.mykitchentable.net [192.168.1.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7ADC11655F8; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 13:36:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=mykitchentable.net; s=default; t=1363552578; bh=gKg0lWgAdNgLU8nO1gI2+QYc/uh867ns2D1kI3e2rl8=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gy44ENquPZQf8Am84BM2Ff7lSywP8tFFJ1RlD2tfVSvEfeJcdaOVX+TZzunGtFrHx 6nmNs5tj2Y31q0FWw5Iad+/nN8X04/u0MDo8IK2EdOG2e8gsr/Pzs68poeTxDuQK66 Mx6E0BjDIqQwOGSNVfb3zm5/vpr3zA5q3den6sfU= Message-ID: <51462939.1080609@mykitchentable.net> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 13:36:09 -0700 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fbsd8 , Dan Nelson , odhiambo@gmail.com Subject: Re: Upgrade from 6.4 to 9.1? References: <5144CB0A.6010801@mykitchentable.net> <20130316200152.GD80810@dan.emsphone.com> <5144F65B.6080302@a1poweruser.com> In-Reply-To: <5144F65B.6080302@a1poweruser.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130317-0, 03/17/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-MAG-OUTBOUND: surewest.redcondor.net@66.60.130.145/32 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:36:30 -0000 On 3/16/2013 3:46 PM, Fbsd8 wrote: > Dan Nelson wrote: >> In the last episode (Mar 16), Drew Tomlinson said: >>> I have an old system happily running 6.4 but am finding that it can no >>> longer download or build a ports index. Thus I guess it's time to >>> upgrade. >>> >>> What "gotchas" do I need to look out for? In the past my upgrades have >>> always been simply downloading new source, reviewing kernel config >>> file, >>> and then rebuilding the system. Any ports that didn't work after >>> that I >>> would just rebuild as well. However I've never waited this long to >>> upgrade. Do I need to do anything different? >> >> You won't be able to do a straight source build from 6.4 to 9.1; too >> many >> low-level changes like Makefile syntax and compiler options have >> changed. If you are comfortable with temporarily disabling >> non-essential things that >> fail to build, it is definitely possible to do a long jump to 9.1, >> but it'd >> be safer to either hop from 6.4 -> (7-stable or 8-stable) -> 9 doing >> buildkernels and buildworlds, or just do a binary upgrade of kernel >> and base >> system to 9.1. >> > > The best approach is to backup your user data and do a fresh install > from 9.1 cdrom. You will bypass a bunch of headaches which may in the > end force you to do a fresh install anyway. And it will save you a lot > of compile time. It's alway a good feeling to know you have a pristine > system when you start having problems. Thanks for the suggestions. I'll give these a try. Cheers, Drew -- Like card tricks? Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse to learn card magic secrets for free! http://alchemistswarehouse.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 17 22:07:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E62E30 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:07:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from rc3.surewest.net (rc3.surewest.net [66.60.130.52]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46AB61F for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp2.surewest.net ([66.60.130.145]) by rc3.surewest.net ({89e988b2-2a53-469e-91f0-3e9924092bec}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20130317220738811 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:07:38 +0000 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by smtp2.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74675896A0 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 15:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (mykitchentable.net [69.62.230.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BCE69C267 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 15:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (tagalong-II.mykitchentable.net [192.168.1.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2CA20165601 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 15:07:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=mykitchentable.net; s=default; t=1363558058; bh=0IYgijSLvABjz9+YqnDE/tSaYtgp8uTOkAHsDKNeX5k=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gQT0vsKDrfwDfJ2GGjiwzla+fJGY96UCx7+jGhHkPQH4VNlE6eFdABnK74aP0LwGL s/h779bXWcKD2sWWzByVHxiP045I/HRW7VqLfq9mDpDmbAAQjlsvW7byxYOtvZ9/W6 hJNYz+9vkYsLz8Tuuiq08cLsFNWxnZodC0Zy5olg= Message-ID: <51463EA7.2070108@mykitchentable.net> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 15:07:35 -0700 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Current Way To Update Sources & Rebuild World/Kernel? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130317-0, 03/17/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-MAG-OUTBOUND: surewest.redcondor.net@66.60.130.145/32 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:07:41 -0000 I've been away for a while. In the past, the proper way to update a system was to grab current sources via cvsup and then rebuild world and kernel. But now I see cvsup is no longer supported. The handbook talks about freebsd-update. I do not want binary upgrades but is this the tool to replace cvsup to update sources? How do I use it to replace the old way that went something like this: cvsup sources make buildworld make buildkernel make installkernel mergemaster make installworld (I'm not sure I have that in the exact proper order but it was something like that). So is freebsd-update what I need? Is there a page that describes the steps to accomplish this? Thanks, Drew -- Like card tricks? Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse to learn card magic secrets for free! http://alchemistswarehouse.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 17 22:16:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFDA3153 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:16:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D79F678 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:16:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-1-27.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.1.27]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17CF33CC4C; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 23:16:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r2HMGbfW002478; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 23:16:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 23:16:37 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Drew Tomlinson Subject: Re: Current Way To Update Sources & Rebuild World/Kernel? Message-Id: <20130317231637.555b1711.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <51463EA7.2070108@mykitchentable.net> References: <51463EA7.2070108@mykitchentable.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:16:39 -0000 On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 15:07:35 -0700, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > I've been away for a while. In the past, the proper way to update a > system was to grab current sources via cvsup and then rebuild world and > kernel. But now I see cvsup is no longer supported. Correct. The new way to obtain sources is via Subversion. The OS will hopefully soon get a csup equivalent (svnup) so you don't need to install a port with heavy dependencies. > The handbook talks > about freebsd-update. I do not want binary upgrades but is this the > tool to replace cvsup to update sources? Basically freebsd-update updates the system binarily, as you said. But it can also be used to only update sources. In order to do this, edit /etc/freebsd-update.conf to contain the line "Components src" (means: you remove all the other components such as "world" and "kernel"). Then you proceed to reinstall from source as known. > How do I use it to replace the > old way that went something like this: > > cvsup sources > make buildworld > make buildkernel > make installkernel > mergemaster > make installworld > > (I'm not sure I have that in the exact proper order but it was something > like that). The exact proper order can be found in the comment header of /usr/src/Makefile. You should stick to that order to avoid problems. Also see the corresponding handbook section. > So is freebsd-update what I need? As explained above - or make yourself familiar with SVN, which is the CVSup / csup replacement. > Is there a page that describes the > steps to accomplish this? See "man freebsd-update" and the comments in /etc/freebsd-update.conf for details. Also see the Handbook's section about updating. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 17 22:37:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78B7D630 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:37:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leeoliveshackelford@surewest.net) Received: from rc1.surewest.net (rc1.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB5F715 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp1.surewest.net ([66.60.130.145]) by rc1.surewest.net ({dfaaa318-551d-4a0a-8038-7c31cf31c4f6}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20130317223744854 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:37:44 +0000 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from ms5.mc.surewest.net (hansolo.surewest.net [64.30.98.104]) by smtp1.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F1189528 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 15:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ms5.mc.surewest.net [192.168.60.102]) by ms5.mc.surewest.net (MOS 4.1.10-GA) with HTTP/1.1 id DEQ57782 (AUTH leeoliveshackelford@surewest.net); Sun, 17 Mar 2013 15:37:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: Fwd: Re: Installing 9.1 without re-partitioning hard drive To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 4.1.10-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-----451b9f82a37dca2bc21130b25db893cf" Message-Id: <20130317153744.DEQ57782@ms5.mc.surewest.net> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 15:37:44 -0700 (PDT) X-MAG-OUTBOUND: surewest.redcondor.net@66.60.130.145/32 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:37:51 -0000 -------451b9f82a37dca2bc21130b25db893cf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -------451b9f82a37dca2bc21130b25db893cf Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Message 1321.eml" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Message 1321.eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-Path: Received: from 192.168.60.103 (EHLO rg3.mc.surewest.net) ([192.168.60.103]) by ms5.mc.surewest.net (MOS 4.1.10-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DEP63578; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 18:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ewin4.surewest.net (EHLO ewin4.surewest.net) ([66.60.130.56]) by rg3.mc.surewest.net (MOS 4.2.4-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id PFO61200; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 18:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wonkity.com ([67.158.26.137]) by ewin4.surewest.net ({78947569-6409-42f5-816b-e3ec0e580c6b}) via TCP (inbound) with ESMTPS id 20130317012940853 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 01:29:40 +0000 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r2H1TY0H004122 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 19:29:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.6/8.14.6/Submit) with ESMTP id r2H1TXmo004119 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 19:29:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 19:29:33 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: leeoliveshackelford@surewest.net Subject: Re: Installing 9.1 without re-partitioning hard drive In-Reply-To: <20130316151719.DEP56114@ms5.mc.surewest.net> Message-ID: References: <20130315201124.DEO31912@ms5.mc.surewest.net> <20130316151719.DEP56114@ms5.mc.surewest.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 16 Mar 2013 19:29:34 -0600 (MDT) On Sat, 16 Mar 2013, leeoliveshackelford@surewest.net wrote: > Dear Mr. Block, Greetings. Thank you for your response to my message. > Your instruction to change the name of the disk drive from ah0 to aha0 > worked. I can now boot FreeBSD. The next trick will be to attempt to > load X-windows, then gnome. Even in "man gpart," some paragraphs > refer to the first disk drive as "ah0," while other paragraphs refer > to the first disk drive as "aha0." Currently, I am trying to > determine how to change my login shell to BASH. I get the error > message that BASH is not an approved shell. (Apparently, I must > somehow download it from some unspecified place.) Please Cc responses to the mailing list, so others can help and learn. See http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html about installing applications. All of these applications are available in ports. -------451b9f82a37dca2bc21130b25db893cf-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 18 10:58:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F071FD2 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:58:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from smtp-out04.alice-dsl.net (smtp-out04.alice-dsl.net [88.44.63.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976988B3 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:58:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out.alice-dsl.de ([192.168.125.60]) by smtp-out04.alice-dsl.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 18 Mar 2013 09:15:56 +0100 Received: from [85.182.17.203] ([85.182.17.203]) by out.alice-dsl.de over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 18 Mar 2013 09:15:44 +0100 Message-ID: <1363594543.1496.69.camel@archlinux> Subject: OT: Installing 9.1 without re-partitioning hard drive From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 09:15:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20130317153744.DEQ57782@ms5.mc.surewest.net> References: <20130317153744.DEQ57782@ms5.mc.surewest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2013 08:15:44.0571 (UTC) FILETIME=[C9B658B0:01CE23B0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:58:08 -0000 On Sun, 2013-03-17 at 15:37 -0700, leeoliveshackelford@surewest.net wrote: > Please Cc responses to the mailing list I know that it's tolerated by the FreeBSD lists, but for most mailing lists nowadays it's common to reply to the list only. Most MUA nowadays provide an option to automatically reply to the list only. So IMO even for this list the advice should at least be, "_if possible_ reply to the list only", if you want receive a copy directly, than ask the OP "reply to the list and (carbon copy) me, but don't address it to somebody else". 2 Cents, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 18 11:12:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E64AD1 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:12:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sam.gh1986@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-f171.google.com (mail-lb0-f171.google.com [209.85.217.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3985D9E for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:12:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f171.google.com with SMTP id gg13so4535843lbb.16 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 04:12:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=DiR1eS/iRhesEHjZmLOcOSsfAEN0i1POHe1Tk1DkSuU=; b=DHJNeRG4brJ+2ULoV2949+w+SxIP//cRSESdU2Tgf1aKDVORprI0mDp3rOVnqhZNOR OAQdUxLJaT2HzQoy8YOT1epTenQA0lYj6M+JS4O7/HlwKvNfFSwveL+BSZ6ryVzWeOyw kw73koqLo2yerhjFMmgNq3OV+q/HRKWc8mPbBVkbDeJsQ83OmVwn0FB9G+n1XMTxrbNI h4/KGQGHDp9ePpXSWq0oAg6isP5bHEH09V6/mtzGr62dT453hqS3t0ExnUeWCdggRouB ZZKU60IJ7Mk2ifF1MCWNWgphEvm9i97BGYipkoWtIxdPsroOHFX+ni+/7enJdHZgx5hc EGcQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.87.177 with SMTP id az17mr12324416lab.2.1363598550394; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 02:22:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.143.201 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 02:22:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130317194625.3c4307c6.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20130317194625.3c4307c6.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:52:29 +0330 Message-ID: Subject: Re: how run snort in quiet and deamon mode From: s m To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:12:45 -0000 great!! "snort -q &" runs snort in daemon and silent mode as i expected:) thank you so much On 3/17/13, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 12:15:53 +0330, s m wrote: >> hello guys >> >> i have a freebsd8.2 and wanna run snort on it. my snort version is >> 2.9.3.1. i want to run snort in deamon mode and quietly. man page says >> that "D" flag is for running snort in deamon mode and "q" flag is to >> run it quietly(do not show startup message). my problem is, these two >> flag can not work together. when i run "snort -q -D" or "snort -D -q", >> snort run in deamon mode but some startup messages are shown. when i >> run "snort -q" no message is shown. >> >> i know it is so simple issue but i do not know how to do that. any >> hints or comments are appreciated. > > Maybe you can start the program as a (quite) background process? > > snort -q & > > If you encounter issues related to "controlling terminal disconnect", > you can use the system's "daemon" command to basically do what -D > would do, or use the port "detach". > > daemon snort -q > > See "man daemon" for options you might need to add. > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 18 12:43:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3AFF06 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:43:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from eris.bzerk.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:980:18dd:1:192:168:179:45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF6B889 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:43:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eris.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eris.bzerk.org (8.14.6/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2ICh6ZP052866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:43:07 GMT (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by eris.bzerk.org (8.14.6/8.14.6/Submit) id r2ICh4lv052865; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:43:04 GMT (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) X-Authentication-Warning: eris.bzerk.org: bulk set sender to mail25@bzerk.org using -f Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:43:04 +0000 From: Ruben de Groot To: Lowell Gilbert Subject: Re: Can an ISO file be mounted from /etc/fstab at boot? Message-ID: <20130318124303.GA51760@eris.bzerk.org> References: <44r4jgv394.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44r4jgv394.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AUTHD_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eris.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (eris.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:43:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , Oscar Hodgson X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:43:15 -0000 On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 04:04:23PM -0400, Lowell Gilbert typed: > Oscar Hodgson writes: > > > I'm pretty sure the answer is "no, just write a local rc script to do > > that", but thought I'd check. > > > > Can't see any hint of that capability in the handbook or fstab(5). > > > > Really just looking for a single point of management for file systems .... > > I don't see a way offhand. You need to do the mdconfig before you can > mount, and I don't think that can be done inside of fstab. > > I think that adding such a capability to mount(8) as a program option > would be a fairly minor hack. If it was a standard (UFS) filesystem image (not ISO9600) it would be possible to mount from fstab with something like this: /dev/md0 /data/mfs mfs rw,-PF/path/to/some.img,async 0 0 Ruben From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 18 15:00:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 281973CE for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:00:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9BA690 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:00:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r2IF0VTt017776; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 09:00:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.6/8.14.6/Submit) with ESMTP id r2IF0Vat017773; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 09:00:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 09:00:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: OT: Installing 9.1 without re-partitioning hard drive In-Reply-To: <1363594543.1496.69.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: References: <20130317153744.DEQ57782@ms5.mc.surewest.net> <1363594543.1496.69.camel@archlinux> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 18 Mar 2013 09:00:31 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:00:42 -0000 On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2013-03-17 at 15:37 -0700, leeoliveshackelford@surewest.net wrote: >> Please Cc responses to the mailing list Actually, I had written that in a reply. > I know that it's tolerated by the FreeBSD lists, but for most mailing > lists nowadays it's common to reply to the list only. Most MUA nowadays > provide an option to automatically reply to the list only. So IMO even > for this list the advice should at least be, "_if possible_ reply to the > list only", if you want receive a copy directly, than ask the OP "reply > to the list and (carbon copy) me, but don't address it to somebody > else". Standard practice for this list is to Cc the responder and the list, because people are not required to subscribe to post. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 18 15:29:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4D5715 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:29:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm10.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm10.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ECD9D282 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.82.105.246] by nm10.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2013 15:29:10 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.110] by tm18.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2013 15:29:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp147.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2013 15:29:10 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1363620550; bh=uVMcDfnlTU9usdXucxQ2pKppsa2t/pZIbOz5ijAQ8rU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Y7F0fsusA91jwo7wg7THX3UpvR8+TvF9Dc9wHzs0bMzf/BePO60Z2KxKtBJMIBodEz8kQihSYrF0NKKV+wEr/xOZNjgdaQajJ7QhmMbcvbl5q4ELQGgNQG226MGDoTfc87I0IMEC4UAGV49V8lnejUXu+GOvm07hzZGzcm3K2hI= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 696074.79399.bm@smtp147.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: RsoKhL8VM1mid0sTkXpW2h3xvQHDEe_2nuv289TVFFFJYxR DfDVSBE29vo.6gc8OiimGy9du2sxMSEaI73O3sW6KwFY1emvpWXcQC6.1lC9 6zEkSVC4_nG71wYH1UMtvl5tCQUzhsFDQCgIPTgqKQ0ZNGPzusQOpnNa7XCw 5hLDtQTPXenzZtYrM8Df8Rp_RtgUojlOW7BdULe61jUdLbQcDARly50HGaN_ GsYgvnB8BhlD7esrRlkzRewvbZZKmd9lwuZ1rggMJh7vAGhegQ_MORYozy39 Q8u2QKnkwPrIfGMgG8xbAshOEeQmGaZTMMQZlNn6y_Qj7VxCtBA_5HBj_P3N 4v29qnMmq8cmfkA.4L1phqcF1EMryRxsR9pDawXMXyjPjwHRW7cBl7bd9Xmi 7tRpxUUtM6rBcjTnyqKb1H1XnWHxTGfYdsf4zw_HzGg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- X-Rocket-Received: from [92.231.6.64] (ralf.mardorf@92.231.6.64 with login) by smtp147.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2013 15:29:10 +0000 UTC Message-ID: <1363620549.604.85.camel@archlinux> Subject: Re: OT: Installing 9.1 without re-partitioning hard drive From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:29:09 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <20130317153744.DEQ57782@ms5.mc.surewest.net> <1363594543.1496.69.camel@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:29:18 -0000 On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 09:00 -0600, Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Standard practice for this list is to Cc the responder and the list, > because people are not required to subscribe to post. That makes sense and does explain why my last mail came through the list, while my broken MUA didn't use the address, I used to subscribe to this list. So a smarter MUA should provide different reply settings for replying to different lists. I should take a look at the mailman settings, since at the moment I receive 2 mails in case of Cc'ing, IIRC this can be disabled. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 18 16:57:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF27500; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:57:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2093985; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:57:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.10.1] ([173.88.202.176]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 18 Mar 2013 09:58:00 -0700 Message-ID: <51474796.1030808@a1poweruser.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:57:58 -0400 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD questions , freebsd-current , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Handbook Jail Chapter rewrite available for critique Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2013 16:58:00.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF6C55A0:01CE23F9] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Authenticated-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-EchoSenderHash: [fbsd8]-[a1poweruser*com] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:58:00 -0000 To all interested parties; I have completed the final draft of the total rewrite of FreeBSD's handbook Chapter 16 on Jails. Before submitting my work for submission to the documentation group for insertion in the handbook I am looking for critique of the work to find errors in concept, wrong use of words, or anything to make it better. All feedback welcomed. Use this URL to access it http://www.jails.a1poweruser.com/ Thank You. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 18 17:30:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D617F1A3; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:30:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ike@blackskyresearch.net) Received: from rs149.luxsci.com (rs149.luxsci.com [64.49.224.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9486EB6C; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rs149.luxsci.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by rs149.luxsci.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r2IHUioG000619; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:30:45 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs149.luxsci.com (8.14.4/8.13.8/Submit) id r2IHU2IW031608; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:30:02 GMT Received: (from sender 74627) (rs149.luxsci.com [127.0.0.1]) by LuxSci SP; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:30:02 +0000 Subject: Re: Handbook Jail Chapter rewrite available for critique Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: "Isaac (.ike) Levy" In-Reply-To: <51474796.1030808@a1poweruser.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:29:18 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <51474796.1030808@a1poweruser.com> To: Fbsd8 X-Lux-Comment: Message r2IHTIkR030230 sent by user #74627 Message-Id: <1363627802-7836632.18463322.fr2IHTIkR030230@rs149.luxsci.com> X-Comment: LuxSci SP Message ID - 1363627802-7836632.18463322 Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, FreeBSD questions , freebsd-current X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:30:52 -0000 Pretty heavy cross-posting here, could you perhaps reign this in to the = freebsd-jail@ list, where it can be discussed in-context? This will = help keep the noise down. On Mar 18, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Fbsd8 wrote: > To all interested parties; >=20 > I have completed the final draft of the total rewrite of FreeBSD's = handbook Chapter 16 on Jails. >=20 > Before submitting my work for submission to the documentation group = for insertion in the handbook I am looking for critique of the work to = find errors in concept, wrong use of words, or anything to make it = better. >=20 > All feedback welcomed. >=20 > Use this URL to access it http://www.jails.a1poweruser.com/ >=20 >=20 > Thank You. Wow, overall that's really quite cool. - Do you have a rough timeframe for when you want feedback? (I would = like to give this the time it deserves). -- Feedback right off the bat, (please tell me if I'm off track here): - After a short skim- I do not believe the qjail utilities referenced = are appropriate for the FreeBSD handbook. There are many 3rd party = approaches to handling/managing jails, some of them with quite long = histories and loyal user bases- it is impractical and not appropriate to = try to cover any/all of them here. - The "Jail Cell" vocabulary is a serious departure- and may create some = confusion- I'll read thoroughly to get your context right. In what I = understand to be the majority of uses, it's confusing to think of the = hardware host as the 'jail' and the jailed instance as the 'cell'. - The references and history cite some works, but do not cite the = original (and possibly most important) document on jailing, = http://docs.freebsd.org/44doc/papers/jail/jail.ps.gz - There are a number of common lexical errors right off the bat, (There = instead of Their), etc=85 -- I look foreword to reading this on my subway commute this week- Best, .ike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 18 17:45:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D518D5 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:45:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A96D2A for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:45:52 +0000 (UTC) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=EehKsYaC c=1 sm=0 a=0NJkuBbZY5VCdgJ+v5fl0w==:17 a=zlqUEQRlq4EA:10 a=AaUjGI9IrlcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=OA2lqS22AAAA:8 a=sIt-5M63AAAA:8 a=z7-fl8PHoGEA:10 a=nHIcmVGWnHiVvRmFFYUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=0NJkuBbZY5VCdgJ+v5fl0w==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=roberthuff@rcn.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=roberthuff@rcn.com; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 209.6.84.183 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of rcn.com) Received: from [209.6.84.183] ([209.6.84.183:32488] helo=jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTP id E0/C2-28841-9C257415; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:45:46 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20807.21192.655076.142290@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:45:44 -0400 To: "Isaac (.ike) Levy" Subject: Re: Handbook Jail Chapter rewrite available for critique In-Reply-To: <1363627802-7836632.18463322.fr2IHTIkR030230@rs149.luxsci.com> References: <51474796.1030808@a1poweruser.com> <1363627802-7836632.18463322.fr2IHTIkR030230@rs149.luxsci.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 22) "Instant Classic" XEmacs Lucid Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Fbsd8 , FreeBSD questions , freebsd-current X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:45:53 -0000 Isaac (.ike) Levy writes: > Pretty heavy cross-posting here, could you perhaps reign this in > to the freebsd-jail@ list, where it can be discussed in-context? > This will help keep the noise down. It will also keep down the signal from people who use or are interested in jails, but do not (and do not plan to) subscribe to that list. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 18 18:51:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3D3D3F for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:51:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB1916C for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.41]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA2DB33C1E; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id A61313985E; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:51:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Walter Hurry Subject: Re: Problem with news/pan References: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:51:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Walter Hurry's message of "Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:04:54 +0000 (UTC)") Message-ID: <44sj3s5yp3.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:51:22 -0000 Walter Hurry writes: > This port (pan-0.139_1) will again not compile on 9.1-RELEASE (amd64). When did you last try it? It was last updated Saturday, and it builds fine for me. If it's still failing, post the error messages. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 18 21:53:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9975C392 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:53:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [94.23.254.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D70EF18 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from roxette.lamaiziere.net (50.9.74.86.rev.sfr.net [86.74.9.50]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C19048396; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 22:53:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by roxette.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F68164B; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 23:17:47 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 23:17:46 +0100 From: Patrick Lamaiziere To: Drew Tomlinson Subject: Re: Current Way To Update Sources & Rebuild World/Kernel? Message-ID: <20130317231746.3feca323@davenulle.org> In-Reply-To: <51463EA7.2070108@mykitchentable.net> References: <51463EA7.2070108@mykitchentable.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.17; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:53:28 -0000 Le Sun, 17 Mar 2013 15:07:35 -0700, Drew Tomlinson a écrit : > I've been away for a while. In the past, the proper way to update a > system was to grab current sources via cvsup and then rebuild world > and kernel. But now I see cvsup is no longer supported. The > handbook talks about freebsd-update. I do not want binary upgrades > but is this the tool to replace cvsup to update sources? How do I > use it to replace the old way that went something like this: > > cvsup sources > make buildworld > make buildkernel > make installkernel > mergemaster > make installworld Instead cvsup you have to use svn to retrieve the sources : http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/svn.html The good way is (and was) mergemaster -p before make installworld and mergemaster after. regards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 18 22:12:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7F5EB5 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 22:12:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C9DBCD for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 22:12:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UHiI8-0007nM-Pq for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 23:12:28 +0100 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 23:12:28 +0100 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 23:12:28 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Subject: Re: Problem with news/pan Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 22:11:48 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <44sj3s5yp3.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.139 (Sexual Chocolate; GIT bf56508 git://git.gnome.org/pan2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 22:12:13 -0000 On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:51:04 -0400, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Walter Hurry writes: > >> This port (pan-0.139_1) will again not compile on 9.1-RELEASE (amd64). > > When did you last try it? > > It was last updated Saturday, and it builds fine for me. > > If it's still failing, post the error messages. Weird. I last tried yesterday (Sunday). However, having re-enabled the GTKSPELL option (i.e. set it back to defaults), it compiles and builds fine. The port (I always use portsnap before updating) has *not* been updated between then and now. However, it's too difficult to pin down the issue at this point. Sorry for the noise. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 18 21:41:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76EB3B02; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:41:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrnils@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-x232.google.com (mail-ob0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2A4DA7; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:41:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f178.google.com with SMTP id wd20so5921155obb.9 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:41:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=W3Dsy9YSVX70y5vYtHEN3rpPjACWZ5c+BI644aJcotY=; b=FjcrWGne37y9NyRCRsPYkAxHJPt/z0+nsGUkjvSUq2BORTA5G/lbuOwksmqP+hOWbE ajnawByYuntCkvg0Ev0++ou35oY0vi3CD9D2Us0yd4HivmrLvgZy5JZVwJifj8k5lpBn 1RoTI/D04Y2G8s3q9H+pLPmHI2Y7VN9r6aSJdPJNMKfU4/kWkCMD1Qbp3IoCtZgPtAfo E/iBnXiQn/6Ay2hmtR0NwZlm0RiFMNUBiCLpg4MbsDR4BkOHf0m6r2uu9jXJpooPQ07K w7XzhBBS0WblV2KGgxncf7hb0PR3Xncg0mOALZ/AQDMLVVWXqFp+jXz4fW1xwDtSdhD5 bXaA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.98.109 with SMTP id eh13mr7703972obb.50.1363642916590; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.94.12 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:41:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20807.21192.655076.142290@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <51474796.1030808@a1poweruser.com> <1363627802-7836632.18463322.fr2IHTIkR030230@rs149.luxsci.com> <20807.21192.655076.142290@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 22:41:56 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Handbook Jail Chapter rewrite available for critique From: Andreas Nilsson To: Robert Huff X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 22:24:04 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Fbsd8 , FreeBSD questions , freebsd-current , "Isaac \(.ike\) Levy" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:41:57 -0000 On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Robert Huff wrote: > > Isaac (.ike) Levy writes: > > > Pretty heavy cross-posting here, could you perhaps reign this in > > to the freebsd-jail@ list, where it can be discussed in-context? > > This will help keep the noise down. > > It will also keep down the signal from people who use or are > interested in jails, but do not (and do not plan to) subscribe to > that list. > Respectfully, > > > Robert Huff > > Great! There really was a need to modernize the handbook with regards to jails. Since I'm not a native English speaker I'll leave grammar and spelling for those who are ;) My first impressions are along the lines: To much scripts, to few examples/scenarios. Our users are smart, show them what can be accomplished with "high-level" config, leave minutiae to some part of the appendix. Also the exclusion of zfs and vnet is surprising, as those really make jails shine, imo ( although jails really need to be thought about the "gray" area visa-vi networking in rc-scripts that vnet provides ). How about the resource control, which further makes jails really spiffy. I would have preferred top-level separation of the different methods, ie after the introduction there was one "track" manual, one for old-school rc-, one for new-school rc- and one for jail.conf-style jails. More specifically I agree with Isaac Levy's, especially in regards to the "jail cell" terminology: "16.1 Synopsis": the term jail cell is used, long before being defined. "16.2 Introduction": Mentioning jail cells in a historic contest is imho a "blatant" lie ( they were never known as such ). As far as I know, no official documentation has called them cells, either. That does not mean that it's not an appropriate term, though. As a contrast there is Solaris vocabulary of zones ( "cells" ) and global zone ( "jail system" ). In this regard I prefer the solaris one. Most importantly, a large chunk of 16.2 would imo fit much better as a "history"-appendix. Current and new users don't need to know and consider the limitations of earlier implementations. The "generations" talked about could perhaps be quantified with a release version :) There are, as stated by Isaac Levy, many (good) utils for managing jails. Why the focus on qjail? I also think that most of the strong points of jails are rendered moot without, in order, zfs and vimage. Linux jails might also interest quite a few people. Best regards Andreas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 00:01:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6F2182 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 00:01:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@jerrymc.net) Received: from jerrymc.net (jerrymc.net [75.75.214.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294A16F0 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 00:01:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jerrymc.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jerrymc.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2INYCL1049939; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:34:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@jerrymc.net) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by jerrymc.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id r2INYASS049938; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:34:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:34:10 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: OT: Installing 9.1 without re-partitioning hard drive Message-ID: <20130318233410.GA49915@jerrymc.net> References: <20130317153744.DEQ57782@ms5.mc.surewest.net> <1363594543.1496.69.camel@archlinux> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1363594543.1496.69.camel@archlinux> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 00:01:56 -0000 On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:15:43AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2013-03-17 at 15:37 -0700, leeoliveshackelford@surewest.net wrote: > > Please Cc responses to the mailing list > > I know that it's tolerated by the FreeBSD lists, but for most mailing > lists nowadays it's common to reply to the list only. 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From: Damien Fleuriot To: Drew Tomlinson X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkxCzJdwDx4+id3ZhYiaU1hpU5U7hNk0JwZE1mBtiZFFm9+sac/kmNBZ+7Q/S+esv1ferrd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 00:13:18 -0000 On Mar 17, 2013 11:07 PM, "Drew Tomlinson" wrote: > > I've been away for a while. In the past, the proper way to update a system was to grab current sources via cvsup and then rebuild world and kernel. But now I see cvsup is no longer supported. The handbook talks about freebsd-update. I do not want binary upgrades but is this the tool to replace cvsup to update sources? How do I use it to replace the old way that went something like this: > > cvsup sources > make buildworld > make buildkernel > make installkernel > mergemaster > make installworld > > (I'm not sure I have that in the exact proper order but it was something like that). > > So is freebsd-update what I need? Is there a page that describes the steps to accomplish this? > > Thanks, > > Drew > http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/stable.html Buildworld Buildkernel Installkernel Reboot Mergemaster -p Installworld Mergemaster Rebuild ports Delete-old Delete-old-libs Delete-old-dirs Less /usr/src/Makefile From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 01:46:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A7B448 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 01:46:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bujinkanninpo@live.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s26.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s26.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F2B8A2A for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 01:46:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY405-EAS147 ([65.54.190.124]) by bay0-omc2-s26.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:45:02 -0700 X-EIP: [CCZyDpTIgoMun4Ns4rDXDCGYKoPGDmZg] X-Originating-Email: [bujinkanninpo@live.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: About freebsd From: Bujinkan Ninpo Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:44:59 -0400 To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2013 01:45:02.0974 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FD841E0:01CE2443] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 01:46:08 -0000 Hello I was thinking about buying a new laptop I was looking at the dell Ins= piron 15 3521 and I was wanting to order a cd copy of freebsd 9.1 and I was= wondering how it would work running a dual boot win8 w/ freebsd 9.1 Thank you for you time and have a good day= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 03:59:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A6D98 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 03:59:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from "") Received: from mail.dfds.com (mail.dfds.com [193.9.230.150]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E16F30 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 03:59:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DKCPH-DKMAIL2.dk.dfds.root ([193.9.192.249]) by dkcph-dkmail1.dk.dfds.root with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 19 Mar 2013 04:44:07 +0100 Received: from DKCPH-DKMAIL2.dk.dfds.root ([fe80::d833:a772:d499:cde8%11]) by dkcph-dkmail2.dk.dfds.root ([fe80::d833:a772:d499:cde8%11]) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.02.0328.009; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 04:44:07 +0100 From: "Lost Property Dover (DFDS Seaways)" To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Automatisk svar: report Thread-Topic: report Thread-Index: AQHOJFQCjbnQKQslX0qnogWCLcNmjQ== Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 03:44:07 +0000 Message-ID: <89f29b03d1064f53a7c7e87b1b6bba25@DKCPH-DKMAIL2.dk.dfds.root> References: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-MS-Exchange-Inbox-Rules-Loop: Lost.PropertyDover@dfds.com X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2013 03:44:07.0016 (UTC) FILETIME=[02068E80:01CE2454] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 03:59:16 -0000 lostproperty.dover@dfds.com Auto Response Thank you for contacting DFDS Seaways Lost Property Office. 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Lost Property Office DFDS Seaways Eastern Docks Dover CT16 1JA Company Number: 271116770000 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 05:28:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A16E1E for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:28:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from smtp-out03.alice-dsl.net (smtp-out03.alice-dsl.net [88.44.63.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383F1291 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:28:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out.alice-dsl.de ([192.168.125.61]) by smtp-out03.alice-dsl.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 19 Mar 2013 06:25:32 +0100 Received: from [92.231.4.67] ([92.231.4.67]) by out.alice-dsl.de over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 19 Mar 2013 06:25:11 +0100 Message-ID: <1363670710.603.2.camel@archlinux> Subject: Re: About freebsd From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 06:25:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2013 05:25:11.0533 (UTC) FILETIME=[20C269D0:01CE2462] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:28:15 -0000 On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 21:44 -0400, Bujinkan Ninpo wrote: > Hello I was thinking about buying a new laptop I was looking at the dell Inspiron 15 3521 and I was wanting to order a cd copy of freebsd 9.1 and I was wondering how it would work running a dual boot win8 w/ freebsd 9.1 > Thank you for you time and have a good day I don't have knowledge about this, but there's a Wiki about UEFI that might answer your question, didn't read it myself. https://wiki.freebsd.org/UEFI Hth, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 07:54:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FBAEFF4 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 07:54:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robnav247@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pd0-f175.google.com (mail-pd0-f175.google.com [209.85.192.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349DE9DE for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 07:54:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f175.google.com with SMTP id r11so84904pdi.20 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 00:54:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=B9Z6OOZgqn43pkYh36jdhLXj/zgSVv5eM85/kBH/Jwk=; b=KGTZcrWSdgkAkiv/K3+g9ff+NZfNmUEH9p/FJwPVR6jMA/WiH9nYHidevwxImOTZBI 3u7BK1rdzMPXSlCtErCA+Jy0AhJrGtpxSN6hvMt+UTd9Gf7tlv8dVN8YDeXtsCArT8UW TQQ4CQPqvcyeKHsqj3hQJOWdOjnOKtiAU8EmDvpvHLyJIRbVSFV4iEMLLfneQUhDivi4 +apZzcTg7y+DhRwpN75kIXgi6aG0yrLDGOPx1UvFrEwdC1RnoF2MANou12xeqiJpLTpH dgJbCS5TE4zXPFPDkrah2bxD08UChfqUamF5KblpTUiTd66X5ncsVs79dBZ3oWbIzXHT 4t7Q== X-Received: by 10.67.10.131 with SMTP id ea3mr1816318pad.135.1363679661541; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 00:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-71-198-0-41.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [71.198.0.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gf1sm1968465pbc.24.2013.03.19.00.54.19 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Mar 2013 00:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <514819A7.1080100@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 00:54:15 -0700 From: Rob Navarro User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: "make deinstall" within /usr/ports/lang - need to recover default language installs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 07:54:27 -0000 Hi Chaps, I typed "make deinstall" within the /usr/ports/lang directory of a FreeBSD 9.0 and mistakenly lost Perl, Python, Ruby and a whole host of default compiled languages. How can I get back to the default FreeBSD default installed language state (with Perl installed etc)? Crossing my fingers that I need not re-install the OS... Kind regards, Rob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 08:14:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B01A743 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:14:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-f43.google.com (mail-wg0-f43.google.com [74.125.82.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 382D2A9B for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:14:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id e12so122720wge.34 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 01:14:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=zfbBNGwaREn6ZC8UZFXKaEMBbwOvkgkrjFcEvitFFUw=; b=VQIczeBIYfxANUTd7FBOAVVHQfm6yddxEzlgNBbDJbgisfIuafy4UIf0i88TzYmH8t D00BbPIqGVY6wU77ord3c4gUZQ9Ylpj+BSq9DXe8M0WX3w2FIrBQntzg4YcCC6OIVyDC Ik7rJiOI/lxAbOXK0xkxOwFr5OFNGS5ZnFAOEomPGC9I3zgqLX90Fhyn5uFmxLfShN8B 2zx1ic0ywCsVqoo2BTMsEFdL63kKy9ub6yfKRAZfr+5sfZkx7UFb2i/127v2FYpdg3ev ro+gJj7zkAQEA0sQfqzHQA9cy9lsGMkz0xhQlBB4G5SRB870akF4Z1FcbERdq6wQENAB 0zMA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.92.97 with SMTP id cl1mr3040631wib.19.1363680842916; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 01:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.60.147 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 01:14:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <514819A7.1080100@gmail.com> References: <514819A7.1080100@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 09:14:02 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: "make deinstall" within /usr/ports/lang - need to recover default language installs From: David Demelier To: Rob Navarro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:14:04 -0000 lang/ contains all languages and so on ruby, lua, python, perl.. Of course you removed perl since you typed make deinstall in that parent port tree. You can type make install in /usr/ports/lang/perl5.14 to install it again. You don't need to reinstall FreeBSD, you're not on Windows here, you can repair everything :) Note: there is no perl installed by default, it's in the ports for few years now. Regards, 2013/3/19 Rob Navarro > Hi Chaps, > > I typed "make deinstall" within the /usr/ports/lang directory of a > FreeBSD 9.0 and mistakenly lost Perl, Python, Ruby and a whole host of > default compiled languages. > > How can I get back to the default FreeBSD default installed language > state (with Perl installed etc)? > > Crossing my fingers that I need not re-install the OS... > > Kind regards, > > Rob > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Demelier David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 08:19:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579E0897 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:19:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D17DCAD7 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:19:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rufus.webfusion.com (mail.heartinternet.co.uk [79.170.40.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r2J8JO5Y058289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:19:32 GMT (envelope-from matthew@freebsd.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.8.0 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk r2J8JO5Y058289 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/r2J8JO5Y058289; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none (unprotected policy) X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host mail.heartinternet.co.uk [79.170.40.31] claimed to be rufus.webfusion.com Message-ID: <51481F8B.6010206@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:19:23 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130312 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "make deinstall" within /usr/ports/lang - need to recover default language installs References: <514819A7.1080100@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <514819A7.1080100@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:19:42 -0000 On 19/03/2013 07:54, Rob Navarro wrote: > Hi Chaps, > > I typed "make deinstall" within the /usr/ports/lang directory of a > FreeBSD 9.0 and mistakenly lost Perl, Python, Ruby and a whole host of > default compiled languages. > > How can I get back to the default FreeBSD default installed language > state (with Perl installed etc)? Ummm.... the default state is with just the base system installed: no extra languages like perl or python and no other additional software packages. > Crossing my fingers that I need not re-install the OS... Nope. You absolutely do not need to do that -- all you did will have affected the ports, which on FreeBSD is a distinct entity from the base system. To recover, you simply need to re-install the appropriate ports. If you know what you want installed, then it's easy: you can just feed a list of those ports into portmaster(8) or portupgrade(8). If you don't know what you need installed in order to support various end user programs, then there are various ways of checking that the dependencies of the required ports are installed. For instance, if you're using pkgng, you could run 'pkg check -da' At worst, and requiring the least amount of extra software, just try re-installing the packages in question. This should work, but you might end up doing a lot of strictly unnecessary recompiling. Matthew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 08:37:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45AB1D5 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:37:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robnav247@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pb0-f42.google.com (mail-pb0-f42.google.com [209.85.160.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3355E2D for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:37:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pb0-f42.google.com with SMTP id xb4so240476pbc.15 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 01:37:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oatLFwFulwvqaxOaSMmBiHRzeesE6xttAhorCo+a2ls=; b=xmsDPlzEQJngL1OBdYujsGqy6qTPKkrdpUAeYfVZ0TvxUQ8qhMrH1c5Bsbu95U9Hmo 1PDsDqKLGG2WHjncfoYebJl9THkuXiBaMYeeH/AJjttWFUZDrNIz+W/ga85yhZr60vme GqimyLeFHdMWxjDmS2yLuULrlF/F8R5lHCCBYtsUxoPhiec79GjgrzBARxGLyyoAtpcY dWWBFQ5qRdE5FNZ8M2AW8vAgxlOBVMxaZFX44Lv0HzP56UrQMeSSa6CBvlfrIIPY9aZ/ WmhUxCI2jS3qNSdsHcOW3KxrXu9W54uRVxs7b+3O8ToqDsbYpPInu6WEZ9hKCXiIpwW1 Pjcw== X-Received: by 10.68.225.73 with SMTP id ri9mr1829176pbc.70.1363682248226; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 01:37:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-71-198-0-41.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [71.198.0.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id vc4sm11727110pab.10.2013.03.19.01.37.26 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Mar 2013 01:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <514823C2.1050406@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 01:37:22 -0700 From: Rob Navarro User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "make deinstall" within /usr/ports/lang - need to recover default language installs References: <514819A7.1080100@gmail.com> <51481F8B.6010206@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <51481F8B.6010206@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:37:28 -0000 Dear Chaps, Thank you very much for responding so quickly. Curiously the freeBSD 9.0 was installed with the standard answers to a sysinstall session and did contain a version of perl. I now seem to be in the state of discovering which languages I need and then re-installing. Is there a list/database for freeBSD 9.0 standard sysinstalls languages that I can view and use to re-install (via pkg_add -v -r perl etc) ? [there must a config file for sysinstall to use itself] Kind regards, Rob > lang/ contains all languages and so on ruby, lua, python, perl.. Of > course you removed perl since you typed make deinstall in that parent > port tree. > > You can type make install in /usr/ports/lang/perl5.14 to install it > again. You don't need to reinstall FreeBSD, you're not on Windows > here, you can repair everything :) > > Note: there is no perl installed by default, it's in the ports for few > years now. > > Regards, On 19/03/2013 01:19, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 19/03/2013 07:54, Rob Navarro wrote: >> Hi Chaps, >> >> I typed "make deinstall" within the /usr/ports/lang directory of a >> FreeBSD 9.0 and mistakenly lost Perl, Python, Ruby and a whole host of >> default compiled languages. >> >> How can I get back to the default FreeBSD default installed language >> state (with Perl installed etc)? > Ummm.... the default state is with just the base system installed: no > extra languages like perl or python and no other additional software > packages. > >> Crossing my fingers that I need not re-install the OS... > Nope. You absolutely do not need to do that -- all you did will have > affected the ports, which on FreeBSD is a distinct entity from the base > system. > > To recover, you simply need to re-install the appropriate ports. If you > know what you want installed, then it's easy: you can just feed a list > of those ports into portmaster(8) or portupgrade(8). > > If you don't know what you need installed in order to support various > end user programs, then there are various ways of checking that the > dependencies of the required ports are installed. For instance, if > you're using pkgng, you could run 'pkg check -da' At worst, and > requiring the least amount of extra software, just try re-installing the > packages in question. This should work, but you might end up doing a > lot of strictly unnecessary recompiling. > > Matthew > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 10:12:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15DB92C for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:12:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 555A271F for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.82.105.247] by nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2013 10:12:04 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.48] by tm19.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2013 10:12:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp181.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2013 10:12:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1363687924; bh=Boebo86u8uHwd0yN7K6Ua5b/U7f2Dlhs4+nfKRHynLk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DIO3ilqNdej9UBymBHdAT/TGpZNreH4ZwwJKUTLFioqxS+7liMbH+cjD14z2SQn94khoWWm1XFWShe6/prmcFDc4fiebkEFePwCbj62RrtRMJWTPCOiTCd3vPCEQfbuv8sV9CN3Vh6SU0ldKDBP/npazhJ1zLh+9aNhbaPK/Pu4= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 774726.5603.bm@smtp181.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: EPpo714VM1kwBGzjxJcGJcRIg6JnUGWdscuNLWK9eWtZY53 DgCNrpQPqvmoXlPLVdttFfDz62xSnL8.mbUYqIqGXWQLnnQ.P5LKtFN4bNol dYKMH2y0KsExpnlQh29EKQb_UDc6PxPlSfw_2LLrKGDrd8zdqauM4vIaOJ_7 .CXPAE314gCfS_0wTIL1enXmhiGiZM6JVbBGk4yTj9HuTecvn54CF_4nQHSl mVnyqqD8mswPnf_1RjWPAIfxk9JaODo2bEuVjtdaaXurn6FGwOC8gNnTGwFn htX6aDdyExmKrq5d7b5ciHSgDeVe0CTDrIc4G9PfrYgKs0X5h7kuPGMSi1ic opzbaTUZ0CVNcByhbGwDA1VYboS8pwEtjz44w65oh1P8Y.nkfiOXHZ9RDvgI BchJX2LNiZLfc06IttVteilelE3Hg1YY1soT4o1ishu_7vY00qKknyL0Y1dr V24ItCCxNTT05hxq2Du4q8QP4rYnSVLtKhVqViFIzHKXtRF3351enZLP_BUn BnGFASnr2k8SvL6Hk1qexS7PIw2ro.SxqDmRKOqpD8uAMI03azBIkY6z8v8I GGpgEwXSPRaG5UeVjZZcG4WYAG.PX7xaqOewEwtHmuV.B1yrlZgTu9FWYGur 4IDPV198bKpMYT.jUJR0.pn8BbyU6I9Q- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- X-Rocket-Received: from [92.231.5.0] (ralf.mardorf@92.231.5.0 with login) by smtp181.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2013 10:12:04 +0000 UTC Message-ID: <1363687923.586.32.camel@archlinux> Subject: EU Regulation and gvfs From: Ralf Mardorf To: FreeBSD Questions Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 11:12:03 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:12:06 -0000 Hi, there's an issue with gvfs. Regarding to an EU Regulation external drives must spin down after a while, but gvfs make external drives spin up and down again and again so they don't stay asleep. I own a new WD Elements and within one week it aged by years. I marked a thread about this issue as solved, but it isn't, it's just a workaround. For some drives it's possible to disable it, but for drives where you can't open the case it can be impossible to do it. One way to safe lifetime then is to touch the drive in short intervals, to avoid a spin down and the other way is to remove gvfs and to mount block devices, not only USB devices, by a workaround. Other USB gear, but block devices, don't need gvfs, such as WiFi adapters. Since I'm short in time at the moment, I only tested Arch Linux and Ubuntu Linux intensively [1]. I'm cross-posting this information, hopefully you understand why I'm doing this. Regards, Ralf [1] From: Ralf Mardorf To: linux-audio-user Subject: [solved] External USB 2 HD for real-time recording Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:43:57 +0100 On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 18:12 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > The issue that the drive will spin up and down again and again can be > avoided. > > I removed > > - thunar-volman > - tumbler > - gvfs > > on Arch Linux. No packages depend on those packages for my Arch Linux. > The drive keeps asleep, even with still one partition mounted. > Later I'll add one package after the other, to find out what does cause > the access and I also will take a look at Ubuntu. Arch Linux: Only gvfs needs to be removed, no need to remove thunar-volman and tumbler. However, thunar-volman without gvfs seems to be useless. Tumbler doesn't cause issues, but I don't know what it's good for. To see thumbnails with Thunar it isn't needed. I keep thunar-volman and tumbler on Arch and only removed gvfs. For my Arch nothing depends on gvfs, so it was the only package I had to remove. Ubuntu Quantal: root@q:~# apt-get purge gvfs The following packages will be REMOVED: brasero* gvfs* gvfs-backends* gvfs-fuse* nautilus* nautilus-sendto* nautilus-share* Who cares about the packages that depend on it? I anyway use Thunar instead of Nautilus and K3b instead of Brasero. Résumé: So who is to blame? By EU Regulation external drives must spin down. I even didn't completely read the German blah blah blah, http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Ab-2010-Maximal-2-Watt-im-Standby-Betrieb-von-Haushaltsgeraeten-PCs-und-Unterhaltungselektronik-Update-193947.html and I won't search for links in English. Xfce doesn't depend on gvfs, neither the Arch, nor the Ubuntu packages. Until now it seems to be, that without gvfs, partitions can't be mounted with a file browser, they have to be mounted by CLI. It's not only an issue for the USB drive, but also for USB sticks. It takes 30 minutes, then the WD Elements spins down and stays asleep. If you don't like this,than blame the EU. If you like it, then blame gvfs. Does VirtualBox still see my iPad 2 connected by USB when gvfs is removed? No problem, even an USB stick and even the external USB hard disk are available by VirtualBox. Is my KORG nanoKONTROL still accessible after removing gvfs? It still does show up in QjackCtl's ALSA tab. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 12:29:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 753F1FB7 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:29:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vagner@bsdway.ru) Received: from bsdway.ru (bsdway.ru [62.109.17.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005EAF1A for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:29:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (off-40.addr.fotocdn.net [193.105.179.40]) (authenticated bits=0) by bsdway.ru (8.14.4/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2JC6HhA024150 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:06:18 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from vagner@bsdway.ru) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:06:17 +0400 From: Vagner To: FreeBSD questions Mail List Subject: IPC Shared memory segment Message-ID: <20130319120617.GA6934@vagner-wrk.bsdway.ru> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD questions Mail List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (bsdway.ru [62.109.17.46]); Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:06:18 +0300 (MSK) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:29:51 -0000 Hi all! Tell me please, how may I remove shared memory segment like this: T:m shmid:65537 shmkey:0 mode:--rw-rw-rw- owner:root group:wheel creator:root cgroup:wheel NATTCH:2 SEGSZ:1048576000 CPID:2982 LPID:54375 ATIME:10:29:12 DTIME:15:56:14 CTIME:10:51:00 Pid 2982 and pid 54375 is killed. -- Respectfully, Stanislav Putrya System administrator FotoStrana.Ru Ltd. ICQ IM: 328585847 Jabber-GoogleTalk: root.vagner mob.phone SPB: +79215788755 mob.phone RND: +79525600664 email: vagner@bsdway.ru email: putrya@playform.ru email: root.vagner@gmail.com site: bsdway.ru site: fotostrana.ru ---------------------------------------- ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign X - against HTML, vCards and / \ - proprietary attachments in e-mail From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 12:47:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471E482F for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:47:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) Received: from mxin.ulb.ac.be (mxin.ulb.ac.be [164.15.128.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDEF4CA for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:47:52 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjgDAMxcSFGkD30E/2dsb2JhbAANNsI1gmYEAwGBeIMYAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRMIAQG3G4MxhxOJD48VFoMqA5xJjiM Received: from bebif01.ulb.ac.be (HELO [192.168.0.50]) ([164.15.125.4]) by smtp.ulb.ac.be with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA; 19 Mar 2013 13:46:44 +0100 Message-ID: <51485E33.1050807@ulb.ac.be> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 13:46:43 +0100 From: Julien Cigar User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130211 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IPC Shared memory segment References: <20130319120617.GA6934@vagner-wrk.bsdway.ru> In-Reply-To: <20130319120617.GA6934@vagner-wrk.bsdway.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:47:53 -0000 On 03/19/2013 13:06, Vagner wrote: > Hi all! > Tell me please, how may I remove shared memory segment like this: > > T:m shmid:65537 shmkey:0 mode:--rw-rw-rw- owner:root group:wheel creator:root cgroup:wheel > NATTCH:2 SEGSZ:1048576000 CPID:2982 LPID:54375 ATIME:10:29:12 DTIME:15:56:14 CTIME:10:51:00 > > Pid 2982 and pid 54375 is killed. > man ipcrm -- No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 14:44:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4803464A; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:44:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zhao6014@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-f54.google.com (mail-wg0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83BFCB3B; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id fm10so424461wgb.21 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 07:44:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=uXF+1+13j/YtdnDXUrPXaNqShIvplRclOz59YssIF54=; b=AtnfsG5i1rW1CT5qwyLX9o3vcxrd55l5Vlpc2RWhwQoBSkeSe7Bpzye3pKPgg9dN20 cky2rr1XTzQ36fF9CUU87+CWgruB9Jl8PsiFupcV992SloFSs/htTGu74PGOsKsv1iI5 36O1rS5Goe4nWCaCvpwgKdyzLpOaG5yTjS6u7iBTE1xYTBsvz9GlsMG/YGp72H1JnI7c HVrb9uEm6/7ipMpCtURiboy5c1GNHTReIBUOyJv1mv55skLtaKEXHKZ9Buxl/3oWKNyC QR9azYsho1ixQn5njf73r9lDPRKSYAzzBj3TZ0okcZe+Ik+aO2RH8WoTIjbD3XVk6AUo crsA== X-Received: by 10.180.74.131 with SMTP id t3mr3670598wiv.26.1363704267319; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 07:44:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: zhao6014@gmail.com Received: by 10.194.153.98 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 07:44:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51474796.1030808@a1poweruser.com> References: <51474796.1030808@a1poweruser.com> From: Jov Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:44:07 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: rKNwB-9oUbKMy70PmGgcOucpza0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Handbook Jail Chapter rewrite available for critique To: Fbsd8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, FreeBSD questions , freebsd-current X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:44:35 -0000 useful doc=EF=BC=8Cgreate job=EF=BC=81 find a mybe copy/past mistake in 16.7.1=EF=BC=9A > *exec.stop* This is the normal script used to *start *the jail. should be=EF=BC=9A *exec.stop* This is the normal script used to *stop *the jail. regards, 2013/3/19 Fbsd8 > To all interested parties; > > I have completed the final draft of the total rewrite of FreeBSD's > handbook Chapter 16 on Jails. > > Before submitting my work for submission to the documentation group for > insertion in the handbook I am looking for critique of the work to find > errors in concept, wrong use of words, or anything to make it better. > > All feedback welcomed. > > Use this URL to access it http://www.jails.a1poweruser.**com/ > > > Thank You. > > ______________________________**_________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@** > freebsd.org " > --=20 Jov blog: http:amutu.com/blog From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 15:46:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227F57FE; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:46:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4FBD6D; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:46:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [46.244.132.178] (helo=localhost.my.domain) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UHyjl-0007aP-Mi; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:46:06 +0100 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r2JFk4ci005527; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:46:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.4/8.14.3/Submit) id r2JFk3vw005526; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:46:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:46:03 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: adding a TrueType font Message-ID: <20130319154603.GA5474@tinyCurrent> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT r214444 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 46.244.132.178 Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:46:15 -0000 Hello, I have a need for a very special font (which is used for the chars how they are teached to my son in school in first grade). I have found the TTF file and installed it as: $ file /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType/DruckschriftBayern.ttf /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType/DruckschriftBayern.ttf: TrueType font data and did the additional steps as described in the handbook http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-fonts.html The new font shows up fine in some KDE apps, in firefox etc.; as well I can see it with fc-list(1) as: $ fc-list | fgrep BY Druckschrift BY WOK:style=Medium but I can't use is, for example with xterm, it says: $ xterm -fn 'Druckschrift BY WOK' xterm: cannot load font Druckschrift BY WOK and even more magic: I can set it in 'kedit' via preferences, but when I launch it from cmd line it says: $ kedit --fn 'Druckschrift BY WOK' QFont::setRawName(): Invalid XLFD: "Druckschrift BY WOK" Any idea why is this? I'd like to have it in xterm or in uRxvt, even better. Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz | /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign: www.asciiribbon.org E-mail: guru@unixarea.de | \ / - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | X - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | / \ - Respect for open standards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 16:00:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F04FA68 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:00:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from suseuser04@lajt.hu) Received: from mailout2.bwave.pl (mailout2.bwave.pl [37.233.100.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFAB9166 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:59:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=drone-mailout2) by mailout2.bwave.pl with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UHyxB-0002QL-MA for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:59:57 +0100 Received: from [10.2.1.187] by drone-mailout2 with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UHyxB-0002QI-J1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:59:57 +0100 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?w_and_who_don't_list_users_in_FreeBSD?= =?UTF-8?Q?_9.0_and_9.1?= From: =?UTF-8?Q?Istvan_Gabor?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <56707a03.4dd020e4.51488b7c.7858d@lajt.hu> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:59:56 +0100 X-Originator: 193.6.63.109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:00:00 -0000 Hello: I=20have=20both=20FreeBSD=209.0=20and=209.1=20on=20two=20different=20comp= uters. w=20and=20who=20commands=20do=20not=20list=20logged=20in=20users=20in=20a= ny=20of=20them (either=20for=20root=20or=20a=20regular=20user). The=20output=20of=20w=20is: root@:/root=20#=20w =204:56PM=20=20up=2010=20mins,=200=20users,=20load=20averages:=200.18,=20= 0.26,=200.20 USER=20=20=20=20=20=20=20TTY=20=20=20=20=20=20FROM=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20= =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20LOGIN@=20=20IDLE=20WHAT root@:/root=20# And=20the=20output=20of=20who: root@:/root=20#=20who root@:/root=20# Why=20is=20this=20and=20how=20can=20I=20fix=20it? Thanks, Istvan ps:=20I=20tried=20google=20search=20but=20w=20and=20who=20are=20not=20goo= d=20search=20terms. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 16:00:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F23DB08; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:00:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ukaszg@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-x235.google.com (mail-qc0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5813117A; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:00:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id a22so296625qcs.40 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 09:00:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=1B0rsMKUwizqJ1ZUuGbjXvLHYQygnKfVgbgl5Ky/Ytw=; b=XY+Yioz/InkAsdUdWty/xwlYLq5H0NN0mmE+hAVpwacIXG3i9v5X5Sl/INt+ysWODn Z/UtCrx4Us1CIVby8TYCw8h3+F8Hl0xlGz/2BQn/NT5n44ETrjjiTGAplqCgbW3Wf8jS 5OX+qB517c7sMaVqARxXa7C1RJMZIxr0aOInrVpjMhIKvx+h+yM2kRScN3OjojVacWNI qrHP4mmuNieOTABAIKxja7EeZ3zhpYtE5GtN4WytDTFX8RVJJJM1VG4iTnhj8+uZQ4Pw tr5kzBG6TuBnR92bX/Grpm6bNRAlpN+aV0YjXXEGo2y9ScPi0Uv06jFsImSdvsgppf5L 3J4A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.178.148 with SMTP id bm20mr2734211qab.30.1363708499630; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.127.38 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:54:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130319154603.GA5474@tinyCurrent> References: <20130319154603.GA5474@tinyCurrent> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:54:59 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: adding a TrueType font From: uki To: Matthias Apitz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:00:29 -0000 2013/3/19 Matthias Apitz : > I have a need for a very special font (which is used for the chars how > they are teached to my son in school in first grade). For such unusual fonts, or fonts that are not in package of some kind I pu them into ~/.fonts and have the following in my .xinitrc (don't know how that applies to gnome or kde): xset +fp $HOME/.fonts xset fp rehash You might have to run mkfontdir if your ~/.fonts is not 'a font dir' yet. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 16:03:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66202C15 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:03:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from eris.bzerk.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:980:18dd:1:192:168:179:45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEBA91AF for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:03:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eris.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eris.bzerk.org (8.14.6/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2JG3PRT063775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:03:25 GMT (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by eris.bzerk.org (8.14.6/8.14.6/Submit) id r2JG3OZZ063774; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:03:24 GMT (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) X-Authentication-Warning: eris.bzerk.org: bulk set sender to mail25@bzerk.org using -f Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:03:24 +0000 From: Ruben de Groot To: Istvan Gabor Subject: Re: w and who don't list users in FreeBSD 9.0 and 9.1 Message-ID: <20130319160324.GA63756@eris.bzerk.org> References: <56707a03.4dd020e4.51488b7c.7858d@lajt.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <56707a03.4dd020e4.51488b7c.7858d@lajt.hu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AUTHD_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eris.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (eris.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:03:30 -0000 On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 04:59:56PM +0100, Istvan Gabor typed: > Hello: > > I have both FreeBSD 9.0 and 9.1 on two different computers. > w and who commands do not list logged in users in any of them > (either for root or a regular user). > > The output of w is: > > root@:/root # w > 4:56PM up 10 mins, 0 users, load averages: 0.18, 0.26, 0.20 > USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT > root@:/root # > > And the output of who: > > root@:/root # who > root@:/root # > > Why is this and how can I fix it? This can happen if your kernel and world are out of sync. Ruben From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 16:12:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29FA8FF5 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:12:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.193]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 638B9232 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:12:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.82.105.224] by nm14.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2013 16:12:18 -0000 Received: from [217.146.188.175] by tm20.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2013 16:12:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp143.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2013 16:12:18 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1363709538; bh=dK48KZcRvaH+iUXoRP7EpQAzeDZXT9QvrQxKFKSO2PY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ro5/NK0UAeyKPoMPZAnAN1ASW3soJQ8ORcMPfkqyAk660FEB28jjlS01StaeIdOPT1iCau3LdufokHX44954hGhMRqIWYlU4GKYsAdxNin0gK1UWsR7rcE5WgnpqmExUojQfqni97w78LaKOqEy+/+fj2yaojMiAGDj6V9q/ofg= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 483218.81088.bm@smtp143.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: wBy2CtwVM1ktBUsVhYEBJR4BZv3eyb7UPMx.9TE4bqx9w1B MEOB.F3i2uRvhl07Wlur4PFfjy9OBxWt2Bi6_.lOtUW062taUtSwOSVWvLSz _qie7_qohXlP3MkgqzJ1vD9WEUULdyqSvUWjksmXcQi.pcjK2Ka0k7xjyCAB nsugfdzLAhrshN5ByiUA3uHY46kPErgUWNIYe8ZQPZ4d.hanbXPkimCdRdLC WiSRZsVOjXFGzziW_GLxcimwhAwnyCf8Z_H8iBO4MfAkU2KCtXhyNQaIo5rp 5ljCr10xoXHsDabmhUTResUDjIRFhTnRncUSUiAn5Mnb1G2xm35Zmji86t5P SMf5akkIqSC3EwMDHhhCiG7_LV_tuFKSIw.9ePzZ6v7UWp_G_OG3eNQQ1v44 SdcgXlOPNUzEvOutAIUY8CBlSTcMOqCK_1UMwRe7dJKK4HeQ4aEuOmmZ7rkX wcJCtsm0tX0WsixwwldgDHl5jm2G6kobrk9_p03b1a2OtijrTxTZsQtHoOAs 59A5khZZp1ds- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- X-Rocket-Received: from [92.231.5.0] (ralf.mardorf@92.231.5.0 with login) by smtp143.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2013 09:12:18 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <1363709537.2602.20.camel@archlinux> Subject: Re: w and who don't list users in FreeBSD 9.0 and 9.1 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 17:12:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: <56707a03.4dd020e4.51488b7c.7858d@lajt.hu> References: <56707a03.4dd020e4.51488b7c.7858d@lajt.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:12:26 -0000 On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 16:59 +0100, Istvan Gabor wrote: > I tried google search but w and who are not good search terms. Indeed, it for sure isn't easy, but did you try with quotes and other options? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=freebsd+%22who+command%22 I don't know if there is a solution, but you're at least not the first who experienced this issue. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 16:22:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9625C4D8 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:22:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-f54.google.com (mail-qa0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60AC52C1 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id hg5so410382qab.6 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 09:22:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4vU8qMLjUMA5/9wx6kvxcTAts+02w6b4Sgy6BF3NnrE=; b=hZkCjMF9WkPg6qydZv3SW7thxDdL5ZvHhhpwc92EOSTvqkyc2vo6YrPBekf2bGUo/Q xlO3adAtlhUHObewOhLjY8PZNL9hHtPZv/lB+Q0pBXETUSo6YHFNLqwzlD3Wuy6af1D/ vFJCaeA0wZLFBwI1FL5GVTWuK00MQkDex0EQN7ORSBzUdDcLyAKWuowTEVogPI2qfcD3 Azn5ZrYuKG/YsUtaRaxuIv/xtOjAoMYykgkyS3qXuGLd6fTnl9MktJdO8TaMEaAK826Q WzUwOxrKE6tt4XUFkA+Iggwc2dtoCAhpLXteSXrb+UxfuoVGUFxauD9XNhXcEoGvURw/ u2tA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.34.140 with SMTP id z12mr3020553qei.10.1363709765917; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 09:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Sender: tomek.cedro@gmail.com Received: by 10.49.120.7 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 09:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 17:16:05 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0Ulvl6bcR01JiMi3umC5ND3UDl0 Message-ID: Subject: fresh binary packages for 9.1 / 9 stable From: CeDeROM To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:22:33 -0000 Hey hey :-) Are there any news on fresh binary packages for 9.1-RELEASE / 9-STABLE? :-) Best regards, Tomek -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 17:44:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2AFF27 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 17:44:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@gmx.com) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDCDB946 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 17:44:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout-eu.gmx.com ([10.1.101.213]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MYIEJ-1UDw8r3ZGT-00VCJr for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:44:52 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 19 Mar 2013 17:44:52 -0000 Received: from 62.1.121.60.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr (EHLO [127.0.0.1]) [62.1.121.60] by mail.gmx.com (mp-eu013) with SMTP; 19 Mar 2013 18:44:52 +0100 X-Authenticated: #46156728 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+iDUgWA9qilaTD7BC8mbyrd41Vzk/oK3DGTMtEbS gs5V8N3hSGpdGF Message-ID: <5148A40C.3090003@gmx.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:44:44 +0200 From: Nikos Vassiliadis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ruben de Groot Subject: Re: w and who don't list users in FreeBSD 9.0 and 9.1 References: <56707a03.4dd020e4.51488b7c.7858d@lajt.hu> <20130319160324.GA63756@eris.bzerk.org> In-Reply-To: <20130319160324.GA63756@eris.bzerk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Istvan Gabor , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 17:44:54 -0000 On 19/3/2013 6:03 μμ, Ruben de Groot wrote: > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 04:59:56PM +0100, Istvan Gabor typed: >> Hello: >> >> I have both FreeBSD 9.0 and 9.1 on two different computers. >> w and who commands do not list logged in users in any of them >> (either for root or a regular user). >> >> The output of w is: >> >> root@:/root # w >> 4:56PM up 10 mins, 0 users, load averages: 0.18, 0.26, 0.20 >> USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT >> root@:/root # >> >> And the output of who: >> >> root@:/root # who >> root@:/root # >> >> Why is this and how can I fix it? > > This can happen if your kernel and world are out of sync. It can also happen if /var/run/utx.active is corrupt. Could you try deleting it? It will be re-created after a successful login. Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 20:02:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 832EE33D for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:02:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458381AF for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:02:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r2JK2t5m093866; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:02:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.6/8.14.6/Submit) with ESMTP id r2JK2t9s093863; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:02:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:02:55 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: OT: Installing 9.1 without re-partitioning hard drive In-Reply-To: <1363620549.604.85.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: References: <20130317153744.DEQ57782@ms5.mc.surewest.net> <1363594543.1496.69.camel@archlinux> <1363620549.604.85.camel@archlinux> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:02:55 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:02:56 -0000 On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 09:00 -0600, Warren Block wrote: >> On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> Standard practice for this list is to Cc the responder and the list, >> because people are not required to subscribe to post. > > That makes sense and does explain why my last mail came through the > list, while my broken MUA didn't use the address, I used to subscribe to > this list. So a smarter MUA should provide different reply settings for > replying to different lists. I should take a look at the mailman > settings, since at the moment I receive 2 mails in case of Cc'ing, IIRC > this can be disabled. Mailing list settings may not help, since it's really up to the sender. But it's easy to filter out duplicates with maildrop or procmail. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 21:07:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD33446E for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:07:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from rc1.surewest.net (rc1.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961D7758 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:07:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp2.surewest.net ([66.60.130.145]) by rc1.surewest.net ({dfaaa318-551d-4a0a-8038-7c31cf31c4f6}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20130319210652017; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:06:52 +0000 X-RC-FROM: Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by smtp2.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E3989458; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (mykitchentable.net [69.62.230.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 90A759C2DD; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (tagalong-II.mykitchentable.net [192.168.1.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E1343165746; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:06:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=mykitchentable.net; s=default; t=1363727209; bh=o1KMrLTPxsUhiEOBqTHUDhNSVMV9YnQkSrEDxw2aiog=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=15EF+NRIkE/yNKEGpfqJ0iVr6EjjFWNtMcUahhWRzdcUkBPlWBMm+w9qoXCp6HGhK 2xkIFPMzilEm9f/w8f8cfSu53PL6nrtznkv8UaoIrq20Y2f3QnKQqvL3y5UO+ENE1y cqO/8Dt83N5R50hdzpzBUf2DB6EQYrfZgYf0u8F0= Message-ID: <5148D361.8040102@mykitchentable.net> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:06:41 -0700 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon Subject: Re: Current Way To Update Sources & Rebuild World/Kernel? -- SOLVED References: <51463EA7.2070108@mykitchentable.net> <20130317231637.555b1711.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20130317231637.555b1711.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130319-0, 03/19/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-MAG-OUTBOUND: surewest.redcondor.net@66.60.130.145/32 Cc: ml@my.gd, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, patfbsd@davenulle.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:07:50 -0000 On 3/17/2013 3:16 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 15:07:35 -0700, Drew Tomlinson wrote: >> I've been away for a while. In the past, the proper way to update a >> system was to grab current sources via cvsup and then rebuild world and >> kernel. But now I see cvsup is no longer supported. > Correct. The new way to obtain sources is via Subversion. > The OS will hopefully soon get a csup equivalent (svnup) > so you don't need to install a port with heavy dependencies. > > > >> The handbook talks >> about freebsd-update. I do not want binary upgrades but is this the >> tool to replace cvsup to update sources? > Basically freebsd-update updates the system binarily, as you > said. But it can also be used to only update sources. In order > to do this, edit /etc/freebsd-update.conf to contain the line > "Components src" (means: you remove all the other components > such as "world" and "kernel"). Then you proceed to reinstall > from source as known. > > > >> How do I use it to replace the >> old way that went something like this: >> >> cvsup sources >> make buildworld >> make buildkernel >> make installkernel >> mergemaster >> make installworld >> >> (I'm not sure I have that in the exact proper order but it was something >> like that). > The exact proper order can be found in the comment header of > /usr/src/Makefile. You should stick to that order to avoid > problems. Also see the corresponding handbook section. > > > >> So is freebsd-update what I need? > As explained above - or make yourself familiar with SVN, which > is the CVSup / csup replacement. > > > >> Is there a page that describes the >> steps to accomplish this? > See "man freebsd-update" and the comments in /etc/freebsd-update.conf > for details. Also see the Handbook's section about updating. Thanks for the replies. Using freebsd-update seemed the simplest method since it was already included. Worked just fine for getting the sources. And following the steps listed in comments in /usr/src/Makefile worked for building and installing the sources. Cheers, Drew -- Like card tricks? Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse to learn card magic secrets for free! http://alchemistswarehouse.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 21:13:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43DA5D5 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:13:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from rc2.surewest.net (rc2.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84AC2796 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:13:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp1.surewest.net ([66.60.130.145]) by rc2.surewest.net ({af05c03d-e86d-4922-90cb-b2bd72ac7e37}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20130319211305959 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:13:05 +0000 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by smtp1.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9569A89617 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (mykitchentable.net [69.62.230.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 760CC9C1DF for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (tagalong-II.mykitchentable.net [192.168.1.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1E0D0165746 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:13:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=mykitchentable.net; s=default; t=1363727585; bh=PkGfMnYuZzVX2jGBucal7KgFMjyoWXRCJfs4K8prsnw=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vX5gIF3be+M2Puv8hd83leX5kR/lverWuDMxyzbpiW0LlAQnSVEhg6cZnp2QXA/iD ijbsqZBS1ej9HQTNksXP4M3z/IhDXzDIDN/nSOshIELd4Vwqs/n+IruH5zyE41joxO fnFNh3S9O44ofrWXMQwgyWOMdLBEPo225rM5neuo= Message-ID: <5148D4DD.7010703@mykitchentable.net> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:13:01 -0700 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: How To Get App To Start At Boot? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130319-0, 03/19/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-MAG-OUTBOUND: surewest.redcondor.net@66.60.130.145/32 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:13:17 -0000 I installed Splunk which is not part of the ports tree. It's a proprietary app that I downloaded and installed on it's own. I start it with '/usr/local/splunk/bin/splunk start'. It should also be stopped with '/usr/local/splunk/bin/splunk stop'. In an attempt to automate it, I created this symlink in /usr/local/etc/rc.d: lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 28 Mar 3 12:32 splunk -> /usr/local/splunk/bin/splunk However it's still not automatic. I can run '/usr/local/etc/rc.d/splunk start' at the command line and that works. What do I need to do to get this automated? Thanks, Drew -- Like card tricks? Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse to learn card magic secrets for free! http://alchemistswarehouse.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 21:33:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3328837 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:33:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-ob0-x22f.google.com (mail-ob0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22f]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C0985F for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f175.google.com with SMTP id uz6so960080obc.20 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:33:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=VDfAxWeeDMMP99Zlule0wkWjJ6jDT6bzbNIOy/6dK5M=; b=ba/f5nGQwBxsrHqmZclhoua+0lHp2xf1o2LKp3thqnVYB+lYuPQh9MpZDwC8hAz/uo iGPAjdYwwBpxL/cJC+5oKUJJkP+yepsD3d8eTUwNhCJyUzLmYcm/2/Z7ZHGRC2nC79ki Ewzgw56bJoYqk1mC6n90T9l9HuKp0mBIPUUCmdKwCXTaZECIKFpNu8nVDydd3V4ZsBz2 KbJDM2ODORG+yHWa2L/OzXLTN4vuVEoJMFE4dHLLJqOe3VXLXd343j632XaDd/zajHMa Hf+MYjRBQ29XI+44jQUCD7VG5dKipYfBMCxaS0JghiwMrNBvQtc/TgAzludzYswYwaOh NFUg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.192.3 with SMTP id hc3mr2548033obc.41.1363728814083; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.20.34 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:33:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5148D4DD.7010703@mykitchentable.net> References: <5148D4DD.7010703@mykitchentable.net> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:33:33 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How To Get App To Start At Boot? From: Michael Sierchio To: Drew Tomlinson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQktADFxjJDxybBq49Z0qpppfO4lNtCqL+bkWFjHW0DAu5jjY59YgHmG7derNFoVy9zrg//Q Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:33:34 -0000 On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > I installed Splunk which is not part of the ports tree. It's a proprietary > app that I downloaded and installed on it's own. I start it with > '/usr/local/splunk/bin/splunk start'. It should also be stopped with > '/usr/local/splunk/bin/splunk stop'. In an attempt to automate it, I > created this symlink in /usr/local/etc/rc.d: Not the way to do it at all. ;-) (assuming /opt/splunk*/bin is in your path) # splunk enable boot-start This installs the script below as /etc/rc.d/splunk. You then merely need to put splunk_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf Questions like this are better answered by searching the splunk FAQs, etc. Lots of good info there. #!/bin/sh # PROVIDE: splunkd # REQUIRE: LOGIN # KEYWORD: shutdown # /etc/rc.d/splunk # init script for Splunk. # generated by 'splunk enable boot-start'. . /etc/rc.subr name=splunk extra_commands="status" rcvar=`set_rcvar` eval "${rcvar}=\${${rcvar}:-'NO'}" splunk_start() { "${splunk_home:-/opt/splunkforwarder}/bin/splunk" start --no-prompt --answer-yes "$@" } start_cmd=splunk_start splunk_stop() { "${splunk_home:-/opt/splunkforwarder}/bin/splunk" stop "$@" } stop_cmd=splunk_stop splunk_restart() { "${splunk_home:-/opt/splunkforwarder}/bin/splunk" restart "$@" } restart_cmd=splunk_restart splunk_status() { "${splunk_home:-/opt/splunkforwarder}/bin/splunk" status "$@" } status_cmd=splunk_status load_rc_config $name run_rc_command "$@" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 21:34:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ADDB8D1 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:34:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from rc3.surewest.net (rc3.surewest.net [66.60.130.52]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36998870 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:34:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp2.surewest.net ([66.60.130.145]) by rc3.surewest.net ({89e988b2-2a53-469e-91f0-3e9924092bec}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20130319213400619; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:34:00 +0000 X-RC-FROM: Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by smtp2.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642EE893B9; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (mykitchentable.net [69.62.230.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 132B49C276; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (tagalong-II.mykitchentable.net [192.168.1.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 539FB165747; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:33:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=mykitchentable.net; s=default; t=1363728837; bh=Q40VORuki/Y6dbsCEEARO+vW2F7Z7iS4riNr3BRJ2fo=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BNGen1xrfZut9iEBFUiEQA1g3A5QLHTXOZ6XJ0wPxDs2UIvK+zth0iAsPSQxcfKgL l6FPeY9GjN7AtKvdZG0QNuUsKAQlQalYV5Zw7+aIomqjDeyvMjIuijNP+O8d0gHGuO OPbeMfKDev6aW9kz9TQgkkHvlqeLeuDdbUiTZGbo= Message-ID: <5148D9BF.5000006@mykitchentable.net> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:33:51 -0700 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mexas@bristol.ac.uk Subject: Re: cannot ssh into a box with DHCP assigned IP address References: <201302201355.r1KDt8Lt063091@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <201302201355.r1KDt8Lt063091@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130319-0, 03/19/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-MAG-OUTBOUND: surewest.redcondor.net@66.60.130.145/32 Cc: ml@my.gd, feenberg@nber.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:34:13 -0000 On 2/20/2013 5:55 AM, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > From feenberg@nber.org Wed Feb 20 13:39:28 2013 > > > From: Fleuriot Damien > > To: mexas@bristol.ac.uk > > Subject: Re: cannot ssh into a box with DHCP assigned IP address > > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:31:22 +0100 > > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > > > On Feb 20, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > > > > I have a laptop with FreeBSD -current, > > > with ip address assigned via DHCP. > > > The laptop has neither a static ip address, > > > nor a domain. > > > > > > I can ping the laptop fine, but cannot I doubt that you can ping 172.21.220.12 from 137.222.187.241 as 172.21.220.12 is private IP address space and is not routed across the Internet. > > > ssh into it. The sshd is running, /etc/ssh/ssd_config > > > seems fine, /etc/hosts.allow is fine. > > > However, /etc/hosts is just the default: > > While on the problem machine, can you ssh to localhost? ssh to the IP > address? > > yes to both > > I would suspect the problem is in /etc/hosts.allow > or /etc/hosts.deny, > > The first non-comment line in /etc/hosts.allow is > ALL : ALL : allow > > and I don't have /etc/hosts.deny: > > root@zzz:~ # ls /etc/hosts* > /etc/hosts /etc/hosts.equiv > /etc/hosts.allow /etc/hosts.lpd > root@zzz:~ # > > or perhaps the subnet mask is incorrect. > > Well.. what should it be? > I have on the problem box (ssh server): > > wlan0: flags=8943 metric 0 mtu 1 > 500 > ether 00:21:5c:50:68:c3 > inet 172.21.220.12 netmask 0xfffffc00 broadcast 255.255.255.255 > nd6 options=29 > media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet OFDM/54Mbps mode 11g > status: associated > ssid eduroam channel 1 (2412 MHz 11g) bssid 00:3a:98:62:cd:a0 > country US authmode WPA2/802.11i privacy ON deftxkey UNDEF > AES-CCM 2:128-bit AES-CCM 3:128-bit txpower 14 bmiss 10 scanvalid 450 > bgscan bgscanintvl 300 bgscanidle 250 roam:rssi 7 roam:rate 5 > protmode CTS wme roaming MANUAL > > I'm trying to ssh from 137.222.187.241. > > I wonder, perhaps it somehow built into the > Eduroam wireless, provided by the University, > that the devices connected to it cannot be > accessible. They can only initiate outgoing > connections, but all incoming connections are > somehow blocked? Given that the majority of > the devices will be unsecured MS boxes, maybe > the university thought that this is wise idea > for safety. Perhaps I can investigate this > with my IT guys. > > Or I might be talking complete nonsense here, not my area at all. It is kind of "built in" as you say. The Eduroam wireless network appears to be a private network sitting behind a NAT gateway. Thus what happens when you access the Internet is that your laptop sends that request to the NAT gateway on the Eduroam network. The NAT gateway strips off your private IP address and replaces it with a public IP address , marks the connection in its table, and sends it on it's way. Then when the answer comes back from the Internet, the NAT gateway strips off the public IP address and replaces with your private IP address, and sends it to your laptop. While on the Eduroam network, go to http://whatismyip.com. You will see that your IP is not 172.21.220.12. It will be a public IP address that Eduroam uses. Bottom line is that the only way you could ssh to your laptop from the Internet is if you got the university to give you a public IP address and port and then they set up NAT and port forwarding on their network to point that public IP address to your laptop private IP address ssh port. Since I doubt you will have much luck with that, I suspect the short answer is "you can't ssh to your laptop from the Internet when it's connected to your university network". I'm sure this isn't the answer you wanted but hopefully this will save you some frustration. Cheers, Drew -- Like card tricks? Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse to learn card magic secrets for free! http://alchemistswarehouse.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 22:06:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872A9300 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:06:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaltheat@zoho.com) Received: from sender1.zohomail.com (sender1.zohomail.com [72.5.230.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F60499B for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:06:36 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=zapps768; d=zoho.com; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type:user-agent:sender; b=G9yvuNp57dn+MWOjyuK/hiskqHHsg78EwNhkedO2wZBX+07p8IjMeQxo+GXmVqWNIb3srBt+EPHG rv85a8ZI3LVjEjV8cQEq/5m7EI+WFACg8r6JNagaLoG6DEJaGGhx Received: from sol (95-154-103-86.dynamic.dsl.tng.de [86.103.154.95]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1363730789347796.6853305771597; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:06:25 +0100 From: kaltheat@googlemail.com To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Intel microcode update Message-ID: <20130319220625.GB5368@sol> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: kaltheat@zoho.com X-ZohoMailClient: External X-Zoho-Virus-Status: 2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:06:36 -0000 Hi, I was wondering how to update microcode of an Intel CPU and came across cpucontrol and sysutils/devcpu-data . But last mentioned port is not up-to-date anymore. I searched Intel's webpages for microcode updates and found archives for Linux containing one single microcode.dat file. Could someone tell me if that file is compatible with FreeBSD? As devcpu-data installs .fw files it might be proper to convert/compile microcode.dat in some way. How? Regards, kaltheat From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 19 22:32:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79793B86 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:32:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaltheat@zoho.com) Received: from sender1.zohomail.com (sender1.zohomail.com [72.5.230.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4997FAAF for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:32:06 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=zapps768; d=zoho.com; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:in-reply-to:user-agent:sender; b=UsbGgMTl2ELGtRvFaIa/x/rsiaJD+M/BqNWXXFcdBD5TsNBg5/9VTGvxRUovuN7VmO8zJI754v2r yp4R1MtC9MQF6l28gXLSR6E/lVr76lrNqVogfsJg9M71xQVDatx9 Received: from sol (95-154-103-86.dynamic.dsl.tng.de [86.103.154.95]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1363732325350937.2832419049121; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:32:00 +0100 From: kaltheat@googlemail.com To: Istvan Gabor Subject: Re: configure recursively and build question Message-ID: <20130319223200.GC5368@sol> References: <33e0ec72.507f04c6.513f5b93.143fa@lajt.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <33e0ec72.507f04c6.513f5b93.143fa@lajt.hu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: kaltheat@zoho.com X-ZohoMailClient: External X-Zoho-Virus-Status: 2 Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:32:06 -0000 On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 05:45:07PM +0100, Istvan Gabor wrote: > Hello: > > As there are no compiled FreeBSD 9.1 packages for pkg_tools I decided to build them. > Last I started to build kde3. First I issued make configure-recursive in > /usr/ports/x11/kde3, then make install clean, and left the computer for overnight to work. > I expected a successful build by the morning but instead I found a screen requiring some > config options (for apache). I selected the options and the build went on. > But later other config windows came up, so far for mysqlclient, sane-backends, > tk, tcl, libxine and sdl. So my question are: > > What is configure-recursive good for then? I thought it is for preventing interactions > during the build process. Ho can I really configure everything in one step and leave > the computer alone? > > Second, after I've done a configure-recursive, how can I start it over from scratch in case > I want to change some config option? If I reissue make configure-recursive, > I get only no configuration needed messages. > > Thanks, > > Istvan make config-recursive seems to be buggy. It seems not to be recursive as this would mean that with every change of an option of the root port or it's dependencies dependencies of the root port might change. This could mean that make config needs to be invoked for a port that wasn't in the inital dependecy list of root port. The "root of all evil" seems to be in /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk line 6187 ff. You might want to use ports-mgmt/portmaster. It creates options-files of a port and it's dependencies in a better way before starting to compile ports. 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I have 2 other (non Smart) ones working with FreeBSD just fine in my rack and need to have the new one connect with a DSL modem on a static address. The instructions they sent me along with the switch that was a replacement for a non smart one at no charge is the type for using a DHCP service on Microsoft. (I cant complain about the up grade but its over kill for my purpose. 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(Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C1F812; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from irix.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.39] helo=ncs.bris.ac.uk) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UIF2k-0005Cm-9R; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:10:53 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncs.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UIF2k-0003yS-2w; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:10:46 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r2K9Ajg1041941; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:10:45 GMT (envelope-from mexas@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.6/8.14.6/Submit) id r2K9AjTN041940; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:10:45 GMT (envelope-from mexas) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:10:45 GMT From: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <201303200910.r2K9AjTN041940@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: USB host controllers on a server that does not use USB devices? X-Spam-Score: -4.7 X-Spam-Level: ---- X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mexas@bristol.ac.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:11:00 -0000 This is on an ia64 server. Do I need these devices in kernel: device ehci # EHCI host controller device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface if I don't ever attach any usb devices to it? 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Istvan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 20 09:36:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE72D3F4 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:36:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from suseuser04@lajt.hu) Received: from mailout3.bwave.pl (mailout3.bwave.pl [37.233.100.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A0A29EC for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:36:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=drone-mailout3) by mailout3.bwave.pl with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UIFRZ-0003LD-Cm for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:36:25 +0100 Received: from [10.2.1.187] by drone-mailout3 with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UIFRZ-0003L9-Aw for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:36:25 +0100 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_w_and_who_don't_list_users_in?= =?UTF-8?Q?_FreeBSD_9.0_and_9.1?= From: =?UTF-8?Q?Istvan_Gabor?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1363709537.2602.20.camel@archlinux> References: <56707a03.4dd020e4.51488b7c.7858d@lajt.hu> <1363709537.2602.20.camel@archlinux> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2d488c97.232b3b66.51498318.511af@lajt.hu> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:36:24 +0100 X-Originator: 193.6.63.109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:36:27 -0000 2013.=20m=C3=A1rcius=2019.=2017:12=20napon=20Ralf=20Mardorf=20=20=C3=ADrta: >=20On=20Tue,=202013-03-19=20at=2016:59=20+0100,=20Istvan=20Gabor=20wrote= : >=20>=20I=20tried=20google=20search=20but=20w=20and=20who=20are=20not=20g= ood=20search=20terms. >=20 >=20Indeed,=20it=20for=20sure=20isn't=20easy,=20but=20did=20you=20try=20w= ith=20quotes=20and=20other >=20options? >=20 >=20http://lmgtfy.com/?q=3Dfreebsd+%22who+command%22 >=20 >=20I=20don't=20know=20if=20there=20is=20a=20solution,=20but=20you're=20a= t=20least=20not=20the=20first >=20who=20experienced=20this=20issue. 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Istvan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 20 09:37:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63DC949A for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:37:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from suseuser04@lajt.hu) Received: from mailout2.bwave.pl (mailout2.bwave.pl [37.233.100.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285F1A04 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=drone-mailout2) by mailout2.bwave.pl with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UIFSG-00080Z-1t; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:37:08 +0100 Received: from [10.2.1.186] by drone-mailout2 with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UIFMp-0007Ws-Vc; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:31:32 +0100 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_w_and_who_don't_list_users_in?= =?UTF-8?Q?_FreeBSD_9.0_and_9.1?= From: =?UTF-8?Q?Istvan_Gabor?= To: =?UTF-8?Q?Ruben_de_Groot?=, =?UTF-8?Q?Ruben_de_Groot?= In-Reply-To: <20130319160324.GA63756@eris.bzerk.org> References: <56707a03.4dd020e4.51488b7c.7858d@lajt.hu> <20130319160324.GA63756@eris.bzerk.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7143c3e1.5f870c49.514981f1.d9ec5@lajt.hu> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:31:29 +0100 X-Originator: 193.6.63.109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:37:09 -0000 2013.=20m=C3=A1rcius=2019.=2017:03=20napon=20Ruben=20de=20Groot=20=20=C3=ADrta: >=20On=20Tue,=20Mar=2019,=202013=20at=2004:59:56PM=20+0100,=20Istvan=20Ga= bor=20typed: >=20>=20Hello: >=20>=20 >=20>=20I=20have=20both=20FreeBSD=209.0=20and=209.1=20on=20two=20differen= t=20computers. >=20>=20w=20and=20who=20commands=20do=20not=20list=20logged=20in=20users=20= in=20any=20of=20them >=20>=20(either=20for=20root=20or=20a=20regular=20user). >=20>=20 >=20>=20The=20output=20of=20w=20is: >=20>=20 >=20>=20root@:/root=20#=20w >=20>=20=204:56PM=20=20up=2010=20mins,=200=20users,=20load=20averages:=20= 0.18,=200.26,=200.20 >=20>=20USER=20=20=20=20=20=20=20TTY=20=20=20=20=20=20FROM=20=20=20=20=20= =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20LOGIN@=20=20IDLE=20WHA= T >=20>=20root@:/root=20# >=20>=20 >=20>=20And=20the=20output=20of=20who: >=20>=20 >=20>=20root@:/root=20#=20who >=20>=20root@:/root=20# >=20>=20 >=20>=20Why=20is=20this=20and=20how=20can=20I=20fix=20it? >=20 >=20This=20can=20happen=20if=20your=20kernel=20and=20world=20are=20out=20= of=20sync. 1.=20How=20could=20I=20check=20this? 2.=20I=20found=20that=20users=20are=20reported=20if=20they=20are=20logged= =20in=20on=20terminal=20session=20or=20through=20ssh. 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Thanks, Istvan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 20 09:39:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 117F4631 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:39:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from suseuser04@lajt.hu) Received: from mailout2.bwave.pl (mailout2.bwave.pl [37.233.100.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C92A8A2E for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:39:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=drone-mailout2) by mailout2.bwave.pl with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UIFUL-000882-17 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:39:17 +0100 Received: from [10.2.1.173] by drone-mailout2 with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UIFUK-00087z-Vz for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:39:17 +0100 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_w_and_who_don't_list_users_in?= =?UTF-8?Q?_FreeBSD_9.0_and_9.1?= From: =?UTF-8?Q?Istvan_Gabor?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <5148A40C.3090003@gmx.com> References: <56707a03.4dd020e4.51488b7c.7858d@lajt.hu> <20130319160324.GA63756@eris.bzerk.org> <5148A40C.3090003@gmx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1a0644d8.76b3142c.514983c4.8f113@lajt.hu> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:39:16 +0100 X-Originator: 193.6.63.109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:39:18 -0000 2013.=20m=C3=A1rcius=2019.=2018:44=20napon=20Nikos=20Vassiliadis=20=20=C3=ADrta: >=20On=2019/3/2013=206:03=20=CE=BC=CE=BC,=20Ruben=20de=20Groot=20wrote: >=20>=20On=20Tue,=20Mar=2019,=202013=20at=2004:59:56PM=20+0100,=20Istvan=20= Gabor=20typed: >=20>>=20Hello: >=20>> >=20>>=20I=20have=20both=20FreeBSD=209.0=20and=209.1=20on=20two=20differe= nt=20computers. >=20>>=20w=20and=20who=20commands=20do=20not=20list=20logged=20in=20users= =20in=20any=20of=20them >=20>>=20(either=20for=20root=20or=20a=20regular=20user). >=20>> >=20>>=20The=20output=20of=20w=20is: >=20>> >=20>>=20root@:/root=20#=20w >=20>>=20=20=204:56PM=20=20up=2010=20mins,=200=20users,=20load=20averages= :=200.18,=200.26,=200.20 >=20>>=20USER=20=20=20=20=20=20=20TTY=20=20=20=20=20=20FROM=20=20=20=20=20= =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20LOGIN@=20=20IDLE=20WHA= T >=20>>=20root@:/root=20# >=20>> >=20>>=20And=20the=20output=20of=20who: >=20>> >=20>>=20root@:/root=20#=20who >=20>>=20root@:/root=20# >=20>> >=20>>=20Why=20is=20this=20and=20how=20can=20I=20fix=20it? >=20> >=20>=20This=20can=20happen=20if=20your=20kernel=20and=20world=20are=20ou= t=20of=20sync. >=20 >=20It=20can=20also=20happen=20if=20/var/run/utx.active=20is=20corrupt.=20= Could=20you >=20try=20deleting=20it?=20It=20will=20be=20re-created=20after=20a=20succ= essful=20login. 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Thanks, Istvan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 20 11:38:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3165529 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:38:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi.sergio@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com (mail-qa0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9F6E1 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:38:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id bs12so3014328qab.0 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 04:38:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references :disposition-notification-to:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; bh=Umkrr97HayBvqSKNIXqtRsCj3RwAZy7NtGoFzY0GK8M=; b=DZcjJoPKe3u5TSp/9Uzu1pKAN9uNdsyQMBYg7Ih32cMcQb0E6ylZhqJAO+Wgmx6vQL 34Hsu/YgH5A8V7VbPhLnEswMGz1tF/XNHxRfYTfpnUy87a/o7yLosieadrkJPbT8aGA/ GcX+bmlKW6g6lGKlivtBLOcM7EtEaLVtE1yPH5AWRfg/zgfWX9QlawDe5hPjK8zuA/k+ TuKOutTwR5OdCArjWurMBedUrTyJkKCeZChwsN/vh/NAfsP+W+vyo+860M/9ZQrlDQVF +k8VQ+BlEtGB5HWABgUoxyoWh2YEBkm1p9Y0ozUmO03vohYrDV/PNYgHvoUEeCTLyWEJ rpHg== X-Received: by 10.224.216.200 with SMTP id hj8mr5655172qab.93.1363779484720; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 04:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.6.230] ([189.123.220.17]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t7sm45674165qey.2.2013.03.20.04.38.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 20 Mar 2013 04:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Dumb down a Netgear Smart Switch From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: noc@hdk5.net In-Reply-To: <51492872.7040400@hdk5.net> References: <51492872.7040400@hdk5.net> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 08:37:59 -0300 Message-ID: <1363779479.15852.26.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:38:05 -0000 Em Ter, 2013-03-19 às 17:09 -1000, Al Plant escreveu: > Aloha, > > Anybody on our list who can tell me how to set a Netgear GS108T 8 Port > Smart Switch (Gigabit) to pass thru to a modem under FreeBSD. I have 2 > other (non Smart) ones working with FreeBSD just fine in my rack and > need to have the new one connect with a DSL modem on a static address. > > The instructions they sent me along with the switch that was a > replacement for a non smart one at no charge is the type for using a > DHCP service on Microsoft. (I cant complain about the up grade but its > over kill for my purpose. > > Any help would be appreciated. Hello, My experience with "smart" switches is at minimum "not good" they sometimes "block", they need "programming", I had an experience with a dell smart switch that blocks the entire network of servers when a set of diskless stations boots, the only solution is to make it dumber. finally we changed that one for about 3 cisco gigabit 48 ports dumb switches and never ever heard about network problems again... Sergio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 20 11:49:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E636D2 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:49:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Belle_Kuo@wiwynn.com) Received: from TWNHUMSW2.wistron.com (twnhumsw2.wistron.com [220.128.89.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C97315E for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:49:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from GDC-CLDCAS-P01.whq.wistron (unverified [10.37.38.62]) by TWNHUMSW2.wistron.com (Clearswift SMTPRS 5.4.0) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 19:46:51 +0800 Received: from GDC-CLDMBX-P02.whq.wistron ([fe80::8d1b:aeb9:5dbb:4d88]) by GDC-CLDCAS-P01.whq.wistron ([fe80::b88d:6f94:9305:6f0f%13]) with mapi id 14.02.0298.004; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 19:44:22 +0800 From: To: Subject: FreeBSD 8.1 install on Intel Romley platform Thread-Topic: FreeBSD 8.1 install on Intel Romley platform Thread-Index: Ac4lYEI2R8I7a1QfQz2manCXuyh7UQ== Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:44:21 +0000 Message-ID: <768FC1F11AB93D4094E46B651C58EE171A0665@GDC-CLDMBX-P02.whq.wistron> Accept-Language: zh-TW, en-US Content-Language: zh-TW X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.22.213] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 12:03:23 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Evan_Chang@wiwynn.com, Steven_Lu@wiwynn.com, ALDOFO_LIN@wiwynn.com, TOMMY_CHEN@wiwynn.com, Chien_Liang@wiwynn.com, Gary_Yang@wiwynn.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:49:33 -0000 Dear Sir/Madam, We are facing a problem to install FreeBSD8.1 on Intel Romley platform, SAS= HDD could not be detected. While we tried FreeBSD 9.1, it has no problem. = However, our Firewall application only work on FreeBSD 8.1 and 8.3. Is ther= e any driver or kernel update that we can integrate to let FreeBSD 8.1 inst= all successfully? Best Regards, Belle Kuo Product Management Wiwynn Corporation Address: 8F, No. 90, Sec. 1, Xintai 5th Rd., Xizhi Dist., New Taipei City 2= 2102, Taiwan Direct: +886 2-6612-3010 Mobile: +886 933 667688 Facsimile: +886 2 6615-8999 Email: Belle_Kuo@wiwynn.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 20 13:26:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D0F62E9 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:26:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from mail-in-04.arcor-online.net (mail-in-04.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E032B856 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:26:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-in-13-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-13-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.30]) by mx.arcor.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ED86AAB40 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:55:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail-in-09.arcor-online.net (mail-in-09.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.49]) by mail-in-13-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1875814AEAA for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:55:57 +0100 (CET) X-Greylist: Passed host: 188.105.84.132 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 mail-in-09.arcor-online.net E2F8E1985D7 Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (dslb-188-105-084-132.pools.arcor-ip.net [188.105.84.132]) by mail-in-09.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2F8E1985D7 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:55:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r2KCtuN7077031 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:55:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mailnull@lorvorc.mips.inka.de) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.14.6/8.14.6/Submit) id r2KCtuXa077030 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:55:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mailnull) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: fetchmail/sendmail: Domain of sender address does not exist Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 12:55:56 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <201303070940.r279elHS001082@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:26:39 -0000 Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > I sometimes see fetchmail complain: > > fetchmail: SMTP error: 553 5.1.8 ... Domain of sender > address admin@system.mail does not exist Add FEATURE(accept_unresolvable_domains) to your sendmail configuration. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 20 13:40:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62D7726 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:40:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F57902 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.41]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95FAB33C1D; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 3241C39829; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:40:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Istvan Gabor Subject: Re: w and who don't list users in FreeBSD 9.0 and 9.1 References: <56707a03.4dd020e4.51488b7c.7858d@lajt.hu> <20130319160324.GA63756@eris.bzerk.org> <7143c3e1.5f870c49.514981f1.d9ec5@lajt.hu> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:40:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: <7143c3e1.5f870c49.514981f1.d9ec5@lajt.hu> (Istvan Gabor's message of "Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:31:29 +0100") Message-ID: <448v5i2nqi.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: Ruben de Groot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:40:49 -0000 Istvan Gabor writes: > 2. I found that users are reported if they are logged in on terminal session or through ssh. > User who is logged in through KDM3 into KDE3 session is not shown. > Does this change the above diagnosis? Can it be something else, maybe? Well, if they don't start a login shell, they're not going to show up as logged in. Most terminal programs have an option to start them as login shells, but I don't know KDE well enough to know what the normal practice there would be. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 20 13:53:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C189F0 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:53:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [66.251.72.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336DA981 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:53:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nber7.nber.org (nber7.nber.org [66.251.72.41]) by mail2.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r2KDQWG5025422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:26:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:26:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg To: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi Subject: Re: Dumb down a Netgear Smart Switch In-Reply-To: <1363779479.15852.26.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Message-ID: References: <51492872.7040400@hdk5.net> <1363779479.15852.26.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (LRH 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-79550136-2008184444-1363785993=:13117" X-Anti-Virus: Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux Mail Server 5.6.39/RELEASE, bases: 20130320 #9759668, check: 20130320 clean Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, noc@hdk5.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:53:43 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---79550136-2008184444-1363785993=:13117 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 20 Mar 2013, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: > Em Ter, 2013-03-19 às 17:09 -1000, Al Plant escreveu: > >> Aloha, >> >> Anybody on our list who can tell me how to set a Netgear GS108T 8 Port >> Smart Switch (Gigabit) to pass thru to a modem under FreeBSD. I have 2 >> other (non Smart) ones working with FreeBSD just fine in my rack and >> need to have the new one connect with a DSL modem on a static address. I have one of that model, and if you reset to factory defaults it should act as a dumb switch. There are some options that could be set that would interfere with operation (flow control, port negotiation, etc) but I am confident that none are set in the factory default configuration. (Stick a pin in the hole while power cycling). daniel feenberg ---79550136-2008184444-1363785993=:13117-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 20 14:06:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61062C0E; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:06:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3B9A2F; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:06:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id rr4so1377273pbb.41 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:06:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=XIRRxWcM7/lNp+4VNBD9RRr+a3tmt+3cb4sKqJ/tAVQ=; b=qydyl7293QZuHpTvbN5bzfGyHKK/sfkBhSuil6OkHzGAiZF+J2cU4d1usW4QfwhqWM VnCwrSv39BA/xGEA8BBWsYHJa235UKZTg83k7M4m3pkzD2sGP2ABuNUnE6V1iC/XXJ+n Zqa0Ib46tyyl8bOqcWwI1h7t97YyDDhVq14xSSy7MrKN5F03vtjLFkLtICaK3rLdCs3H 0taIFGQRP8lW4ni62PJAAISgOpFQwwpnmRoQ3pXPWUyLWGNa3Bs3I7Tp0k7bvVy4zJnK vQ782AyfEkXRkLOFZ+8EcED4DUy6sh9TjIq2XvRljKJxkhpvK0ca2NoQBaKpwyCnFA0s QYoQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.16.194 with SMTP id i2mr9116396pad.112.1363787965584; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 06:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.82.106 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 06:59:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201303200910.r2K9AjTN041940@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <201303200910.r2K9AjTN041940@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:59:25 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: USB host controllers on a server that does not use USB devices? From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: mexas@bristol.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:06:55 -0000 On 20 March 2013 05:10, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > This is on an ia64 server. > > Do I need these devices in kernel: > > device ehci # EHCI host controller > device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface > device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface > > if I don't ever attach any usb devices to it? Probably not on a server, but there are some built-in devices in some notebooks (webcam & bluetooth) that are run through a usb bus. usbconfig(8) may be helpful. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 20 14:11:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98001DAE for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:11:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from smtp.eutelia.it (mp1-smtp-6.eutelia.it [62.94.10.166]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE22A7B for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:11:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ns2.biolchim.it (ip-188-188.sn2.eutelia.it [83.211.188.188]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eutelia.it (Eutelia) with ESMTP id 4446D64C286 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:50:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from soth.ventu (adsl-ull-141-159.41-151.net24.it [151.41.159.141]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns2.biolchim.it (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r2KDnriE065545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:49:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.14.6/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2KDnRmu041801; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:49:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Message-ID: <5149BE67.60201@netfence.it> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:49:27 +0100 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130312 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Belle_Kuo@wiwynn.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 8.1 install on Intel Romley platform References: <768FC1F11AB93D4094E46B651C58EE171A0665@GDC-CLDMBX-P02.whq.wistron> In-Reply-To: <768FC1F11AB93D4094E46B651C58EE171A0665@GDC-CLDMBX-P02.whq.wistron> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.73 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.73 on 10.1.2.13 X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.1 (ns2.biolchim.it [192.168.2.203]); Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:49:57 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Score: 5.128 (*****) BAYES_05, RCVD_IN_PBL, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL, RDNS_DYNAMIC X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:11:50 -0000 On 03/20/13 12:44, Belle_Kuo@wiwynn.com wrote: > We are facing a problem to install FreeBSD8.1 8.1 is not supported anymore; I don't think you'll get much help. > our Firewall application only work on FreeBSD 8.1 and 8.3. 8.3 is still supported, so I'd move on to that one. > SAS HDD could not be detected. > While we tried FreeBSD 9.1, it has no problem. So, how does 9.1 detect it? > However, Is there any driver or kernel update that we can integrate > to let FreeBSD 8.1 install successfully? Perhaps you could post the dmesg at boot from 9.1. This could give the list some useful info. bye av. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 20 14:33:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BCDF59C for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:33:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from smtp.eutelia.it (mp1-smtp-5.eutelia.it [62.94.10.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A2DB9E for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ns2.biolchim.it (ip-188-188.sn2.eutelia.it [83.211.188.188]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eutelia.it (Eutelia) with ESMTP id 13D09153B54 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:13:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from soth.ventu (adsl-ull-141-159.41-151.net24.it [151.41.159.141]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns2.biolchim.it (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r2KECsGH069411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:12:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.14.6/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2KEChGj056773 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:12:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Message-ID: <5149C3DB.90506@netfence.it> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:12:43 +0100 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130312 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: USB host controllers on a server that does not use USB devices? References: <201303200910.r2K9AjTN041940@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.73 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.73 on 10.1.2.13 X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.1 (ns2.biolchim.it [192.168.2.203]); Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:12:57 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Score: 5.128 (*****) BAYES_05, RCVD_IN_PBL, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL, RDNS_DYNAMIC X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:33:20 -0000 On 03/20/13 14:59, illoai@gmail.com wrote: > Probably not on a server, but there are some built-in > devices in some notebooks (webcam & bluetooth) > that are run through a usb bus. It happened to me to see an internal USB tape drive, connected to an USB port on the motherboard. bye av. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 20 15:30:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59FA45C2 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:30:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from godders@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-x22e.google.com (mail-qc0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22e]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E2BEF3 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:30:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id z24so884575qcq.19 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 08:30:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=DaaxNGzHRHDm5/E3P7fxOXG1i1AE12Og5+AaFLY8wkY=; b=D+DYDb/p3Scpqb/nEQhuRX6MYoKugGI+rCxAOCIPktscb5SLWs8tHemYbW0P/B89nP yxIDP2q2xb7q0/JMAhTW6hZeEpv2mKoJyqVl3wg2EazJlU/FP3bSsCYIqoQPQtWziFRo P33L7sjdLhCWrMZ4SGpzSCPide6FU6gOx7E6f4cu0Xrs3e5pcnSCam6qGlf8G4+mD9/C NBcyxwOHO7h3+MPzEUohX09HpUwA4a+M21D6/pmUxQ8N4wgBYuSxq7v6DVMrLKj3XXJK +Nmk4rah22HUANGv58V0er9+Kp1LJBAJ8THzuwNJxWw5FowBmQxK2TMngtOSaXdLFA6f T9Og== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.12.143 with SMTP id y15mr7275744qeb.27.1363792998782; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 08:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.71.145 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 08:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:23:18 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: "Leaking" disk space From: Dan Thomas To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:30:08 -0000 Hi Guys, We're seeing a problem with some of our FreeBSD/PostgreSQL servers "leaking" quite significant amounts of disk space: > df -h /usr/local/pgsql/ Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/mfid1s1d 1.1T 772G 222G 78% /usr/local/pgsql > du -sh /usr/local/pgsql/ 741G /usr/local/pgsql/ Stopping Postgres doesn't fix it, but rebooting does which points at the OS rather than PG to me. However, the leak is only apparent in the dedicated pgsql partition, and only on our database servers, so PostgreSQL seems to at least be involved. The partition itself is a relatively standard UFS partition: > grep /usr/local/pgsql /etc/fstab /dev/mfid1s1d /usr/local/pgsql ufs rw 2 2 > tunefs -p /usr/local/pgsql/ tunefs: POSIX.1e ACLs: (-a) disabled tunefs: NFSv4 ACLs: (-N) disabled tunefs: MAC multilabel: (-l) disabled tunefs: soft updates: (-n) enabled tunefs: gjournal: (-J) disabled tunefs: trim: (-t) disabled tunefs: maximum blocks per file in a cylinder group: (-e) 2048 tunefs: average file size: (-f) 16384 tunefs: average number of files in a directory: (-s) 64 tunefs: minimum percentage of free space: (-m) 8% tunefs: optimization preference: (-o) time tunefs: volume label: (-L) LSOF isn't showing any open files: > lsof +L /usr/local/pgsql/ | awk '{ print $8 }' | grep 0 | wc -l 0 We're not creating filesystem snapshots: > find /usr/local/pgsql/ -flags snapshot > Not all of our servers are leaking space, it's only the more recently-installed systems. Here's a quick breakdown of versions: FreeBSD PostgreSQL Leaking? 8.0 8.4.4 no 8.2 9.0.4 no 8.3 9.1.4 yes 8.3 9.2.3 yes 9.1 9.2.3 yes Any ideas what's going on here, or where we could start debugging? Thanks, Dan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 20 16:02:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB59EFB0 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:02:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emorrasg@yahoo.es) Received: from nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E51FE133 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.82.105.224] by nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 16:02:45 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.68] by tm20.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 16:02:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 16:02:45 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.es; s=s1024; t=1363795365; bh=7a/NeVlhpsndrBrkdN2W4HhLFbcJiaJzfbih1bVMIjw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=u42Hf0VS9Psz/ZEF+B0AWSgkapChyfVF8AcAkdkLfDzhVSSQVaSEU/PCTfSYsIUfojt5dRtcyytlBsG8+r9ecEkoQMP9thmLMi8ZaYzRj9A0R+niJwQU0JrsH4j7dZzehB1oNa4IFl8FRSjQdhKa+thK5uhnxik/7ikU/3hpemA= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 322594.16178.bm@smtp105.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: oPPY83cVM1mxZP65h4hciAcaoAteFld_7v45CBqa98.mley xBGeJNIbBizJrTaL88LDE9wO47w0wUt.yiyLXsOMPVrzUDEOvA.3Fy9Eqk93 vHhKoRsiRDRnhCVAGdCw8PXS3V_c_7km0QOE5lypSX3Bgou1f1QxJuhSDr6g 6lAQ99EFlnCHZ9IYD9saoc.H8zKD4rJQFMYsh2jhw7SYDZxLyJRlAXOgKjCL S0bUv9DpT_ggCGvTgRZ.Hdgutz3jgA9v7up7p7aDBRPUe.H8wnF9FURdU.7E bgg2SzhbyVqcQ815oA7IL8MLoXZy7L5yeC1U1C3cSKRCPYgkWEZLyI8kB.yc IMLzVRX742a0i7znHqV6cC40uoftwKI3n_82QhVCFfrrpDLj6Zx7um56mAGB FE6Ki52DfO8LX X-Yahoo-SMTP: mX392iiswBAeJNdO_s.EW62LZDJR X-Rocket-Received: from camibar.emorras.eu (emorrasg@85.219.45.167 with plain) by smtp105.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2013 16:02:42 +0000 UTC Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:02:41 +0100 From: Eduardo Morras To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Leaking" disk space Message-Id: <20130320170241.278d4fb515536cb6669ae0bf@yahoo.es> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:02:49 -0000 On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:23:18 +0000 Dan Thomas wrote: > Hi Guys, > > We're seeing a problem with some of our FreeBSD/PostgreSQL servers > "leaking" quite significant amounts of disk space: > > > df -h /usr/local/pgsql/ > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/mfid1s1d 1.1T 772G 222G 78% /usr/local/pgsql > > > du -sh /usr/local/pgsql/ > 741G /usr/local/pgsql/ > > Stopping Postgres doesn't fix it, but rebooting does which points at > the OS rather than PG to me. However, the leak is only apparent in the > dedicated pgsql partition, and only on our database servers, so > PostgreSQL seems to at least be involved. The partition itself is a > relatively standard UFS partition: > > > grep /usr/local/pgsql /etc/fstab > /dev/mfid1s1d /usr/local/pgsql ufs rw 2 2 > > > tunefs -p /usr/local/pgsql/ > tunefs: POSIX.1e ACLs: (-a) disabled > tunefs: NFSv4 ACLs: (-N) disabled > tunefs: MAC multilabel: (-l) disabled > tunefs: soft updates: (-n) enabled > tunefs: gjournal: (-J) disabled > tunefs: trim: (-t) disabled > tunefs: maximum blocks per file in a cylinder group: (-e) 2048 > tunefs: average file size: (-f) 16384 > tunefs: average number of files in a directory: (-s) 64 > tunefs: minimum percentage of free space: (-m) 8% > tunefs: optimization preference: (-o) time > tunefs: volume label: (-L) > > LSOF isn't showing any open files: > > > lsof +L /usr/local/pgsql/ | awk '{ print $8 }' | grep 0 | wc -l > 0 > > We're not creating filesystem snapshots: > > > find /usr/local/pgsql/ -flags snapshot > > > > Not all of our servers are leaking space, it's only the more > recently-installed systems. Here's a quick breakdown of versions: > > FreeBSD PostgreSQL Leaking? > 8.0 8.4.4 no > 8.2 9.0.4 no > 8.3 9.1.4 yes > 8.3 9.2.3 yes > 9.1 9.2.3 yes > > Any ideas what's going on here, or where we could start debugging? Somethings to check: a) Where do you have the wal files? b) Are you sure that unused/old wal files are erased? c) Do you have any postgres log level activated (like the ones used for long queries)? d) Does your queries have GROUP BY on very big data sets? Those create big temporal data files. e) With question a) and b), do you use streaming replication? > > Thanks, > > Dan --- --- Eduardo Morras From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 20 16:09:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9B9472 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:09:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E145F1D3 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:09:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rufus.webfusion.com (mail.heartinternet.co.uk [79.170.40.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r2KG9snW060928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:09:55 GMT (envelope-from matthew@freebsd.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.8.0 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk r2KG9snW060928 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/r2KG9snW060928; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none (unprotected policy) X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host mail.heartinternet.co.uk [79.170.40.31] claimed to be rufus.webfusion.com Message-ID: <5149DF52.5040804@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:09:54 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130312 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Leaking" disk space References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: mckusick@mckusick.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:09:59 -0000 On 20/03/2013 15:23, Dan Thomas wrote: > Hi Guys, > > We're seeing a problem with some of our FreeBSD/PostgreSQL servers > "leaking" quite significant amounts of disk space: > > > df -h /usr/local/pgsql/ > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/mfid1s1d 1.1T 772G 222G 78% /usr/local/pgsql > > > du -sh /usr/local/pgsql/ > 741G /usr/local/pgsql/ > > Stopping Postgres doesn't fix it, but rebooting does which points at > the OS rather than PG to me. However, the leak is only apparent in the > dedicated pgsql partition, and only on our database servers, so > PostgreSQL seems to at least be involved. The partition itself is a > relatively standard UFS partition: Hi, Dan You're not the first person to report that. Please see the thread: "leaking lots of unreferenced inodes (pg_xlog files?), maybe after moving tables and indexes to tablespace on different volume" on the freebsd-fs@freebsd.org mailing list. Kirk McKusick was investigating the original report: CC'd. Cheers, Matthew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 20 16:55:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB083BC for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:55:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from godders@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-f42.google.com (mail-qa0-f42.google.com [209.85.216.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A8C5FD for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:55:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id bv4so781239qab.1 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:55:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=tBJmeLPyi1K13yd6RJWGiumQKapeyLdXk2Awh1XqYVc=; b=n7d0PhaMqfFO1qAJw0NSyhkh9lYkcGdvuSLTk1wX6ISR2BiE6D7nRlOErK+J/fmgCr gwSLNA8JRcRrotmlCwZ9bNosY6/bG6H5jBXcMC0/8bI0vKI6sOdZ42RDIOp1HYDO0qxu G54iNOtV5ZIGKqUCQBCDNhhNh51WdWxOCH7xC2pXT2OeIH35ihmpXLVuh7FQNJbwmn9e 6T26ViDWNgxlrjzpbwnW8n0Wny8brQcZOU4uhp61sdh1/dHNKbJh1W+kQLnbCu7X1F6v Crahvc+XS5859LCr/I8C+U48QZwLA0xPxA/ss3pJxjmfX/vx7ZixuOxG2mn9nYc7RScf oQLg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.61.65 with SMTP id s1mr48685qch.114.1363798534734; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.71.145 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:55:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130320170241.278d4fb515536cb6669ae0bf@yahoo.es> References: <20130320170241.278d4fb515536cb6669ae0bf@yahoo.es> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:55:34 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: "Leaking" disk space From: Dan Thomas To: Eduardo Morras Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:55:41 -0000 > a) Where do you have the wal files? pg_xlog is symlinked to /usr/local/pglog/pg_xlog (ie, out of the partition mounted as /usr/local/pgsql which is exhibiting this behaviour). b) Are you sure that unused/old wal files are erased? As above, but yes they seem to be being deleted properly c) Do you have any postgres log level activated (like the ones used for long queries)? Yes we have slow query logging enabled. pg_log is symlinked out of that partition to /usr/local/pglog/pg_log as well. d) Does your queries have GROUP BY on very big data sets? Those create big temporal data files. Yes we do a lot of that! However there are definitely no unlinked files, and the problem doesn't go away when pg is shut down. However a reboot does fix it. e) With question a) and b), do you use streaming replication? Yes we do. This problem is not present on the warm standby servers that are being streamed to. We have failed over to the warm standbys previously (we're currently doing this regularly to work around the problem without too much downtime). Once we switch the warm standby to primary, it begins leaking space. On 20 March 2013 16:02, Eduardo Morras wrote: > On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:23:18 +0000 > Dan Thomas wrote: > >> Hi Guys, >> >> We're seeing a problem with some of our FreeBSD/PostgreSQL servers >> "leaking" quite significant amounts of disk space: >> >> > df -h /usr/local/pgsql/ >> Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on >> /dev/mfid1s1d 1.1T 772G 222G 78% /usr/local/pgsql >> >> > du -sh /usr/local/pgsql/ >> 741G /usr/local/pgsql/ >> >> Stopping Postgres doesn't fix it, but rebooting does which points at >> the OS rather than PG to me. However, the leak is only apparent in the >> dedicated pgsql partition, and only on our database servers, so >> PostgreSQL seems to at least be involved. The partition itself is a >> relatively standard UFS partition: >> >> > grep /usr/local/pgsql /etc/fstab >> /dev/mfid1s1d /usr/local/pgsql ufs rw 2 2 >> >> > tunefs -p /usr/local/pgsql/ >> tunefs: POSIX.1e ACLs: (-a) disabled >> tunefs: NFSv4 ACLs: (-N) disabled >> tunefs: MAC multilabel: (-l) disabled >> tunefs: soft updates: (-n) enabled >> tunefs: gjournal: (-J) disabled >> tunefs: trim: (-t) disabled >> tunefs: maximum blocks per file in a cylinder group: (-e) 2048 >> tunefs: average file size: (-f) 16384 >> tunefs: average number of files in a directory: (-s) 64 >> tunefs: minimum percentage of free space: (-m) 8% >> tunefs: optimization preference: (-o) time >> tunefs: volume label: (-L) >> >> LSOF isn't showing any open files: >> >> > lsof +L /usr/local/pgsql/ | awk '{ print $8 }' | grep 0 | wc -l >> 0 >> >> We're not creating filesystem snapshots: >> >> > find /usr/local/pgsql/ -flags snapshot >> > >> >> Not all of our servers are leaking space, it's only the more >> recently-installed systems. Here's a quick breakdown of versions: >> >> FreeBSD PostgreSQL Leaking? >> 8.0 8.4.4 no >> 8.2 9.0.4 no >> 8.3 9.1.4 yes >> 8.3 9.2.3 yes >> 9.1 9.2.3 yes >> >> Any ideas what's going on here, or where we could start debugging? > > Somethings to check: > > a) Where do you have the wal files? > b) Are you sure that unused/old wal files are erased? > c) Do you have any postgres log level activated (like the ones used for long queries)? > d) Does your queries have GROUP BY on very big data sets? Those create big temporal data files. > e) With question a) and b), do you use streaming replication? > >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dan > > --- --- > Eduardo Morras > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 20 17:43:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65DB684 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:43:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from suseuser04@lajt.hu) Received: from mailout3.bwave.pl (mailout3.bwave.pl [37.233.100.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94E689D for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:43:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=drone-mailout3) by mailout3.bwave.pl with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UIN3M-00067m-8x for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 18:43:56 +0100 Received: from [10.2.1.186] by drone-mailout3 with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UIN3M-00067a-2f for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 18:43:56 +0100 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?getopt_port_in_FreeBSD-9.1?= From: =?UTF-8?Q?Istvan_Gabor?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5c57e72e.462568ef.5149f558.38431@lajt.hu> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 18:43:52 +0100 X-Originator: 193.6.63.109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:43:59 -0000 Hello: I=20would=20like=20to=20install=20firefox-esr-i18n=20port=20but=20is=20st= ops=20at=20getopt=20install. 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Thanks, Istvan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 20 19:51:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F105D214 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 19:51:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vagner@bsdway.ru) Received: from bsdway.ru (bsdway.ru [62.109.17.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB9A113 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 19:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([188.134.95.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by bsdway.ru (8.14.4/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2KJorom001244; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:50:54 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from vagner@bsdway.ru) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 23:50:48 +0400 From: Vagner To: Julien Cigar Subject: Re: IPC Shared memory segment Message-ID: <20130320195048.GA6479@vagner-wrk.bsdway.ru> Mail-Followup-To: Julien Cigar , FreeBSD questions Mail List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (bsdway.ru [62.109.17.46]); Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:50:54 +0300 (MSK) Cc: FreeBSD questions Mail List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 19:51:04 -0000 The solution was given at revision 233760. Link for description: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=233760 Thanks to all! -- Respectfully, Stanislav Putrya System administrator FotoStrana.Ru Ltd. ICQ IM: 328585847 Jabber-GoogleTalk: root.vagner mob.phone SPB: +79215788755 mob.phone RND: +79525600664 email: vagner@bsdway.ru email: putrya@playform.ru email: root.vagner@gmail.com site: bsdway.ru site: fotostrana.ru ---------------------------------------- ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign X - against HTML, vCards and / \ - proprietary attachments in e-mail From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 20 21:13:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E7A716 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:13:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9DC61D for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:13:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-88-89.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.88.89]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A65C13CFD0; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:13:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r2KLDjFt002018; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:13:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:13:45 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Drew Tomlinson Subject: Re: Current Way To Update Sources & Rebuild World/Kernel? -- SOLVED Message-Id: <20130320221345.79333adb.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5148D361.8040102@mykitchentable.net> References: <51463EA7.2070108@mykitchentable.net> <20130317231637.555b1711.freebsd@edvax.de> <5148D361.8040102@mykitchentable.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:13:48 -0000 On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:06:41 -0700, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > Thanks for the replies. Using freebsd-update seemed the simplest method > since it was already included. Worked just fine for getting the > sources. Probably in the future there will be a csup-equivalent included with the OS, plus configuration templates that can be used to do a source incorporation via SVN. > And following the steps listed in comments in > /usr/src/Makefile worked for building and installing the sources. I've relied on them for many years, and they seem to work happily. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 20 22:18:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA741A2C for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:18:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexmiroslav@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ve0-f172.google.com (mail-ve0-f172.google.com [209.85.128.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B375B857 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:18:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f172.google.com with SMTP id cz11so1896957veb.31 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:18:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=IlFMjScS/mRcAoO8Ex4XW3T0/+YrfAfGh40mY6zQTjA=; b=XgevTsraMRCru8cjTqGPGp/PVI8hh76uBIqzvnNObhadwrMFS4Zv3yEia4P+/gtDqt +CIeuWn8hnTtMTisVq7Hly0qEQupiK2R/DO6KwaAy+aS8/rAK/7EassnkUTVz6mitCM6 PKOOT8SHI+988mlZWdW7CkmB00/t4SqbGg5CgPidtd59LGWqTBSor5pUFBozLo2gn1EE NLZStUaJ6CgKcUSiCB3WCmtttfuBPPgzpUq3FhHu1GfDfE6KwAsh2v4mz2xx/0uJTegJ OlQZpNPQrUHfxNSH19vZ1+udLNEBUugf+XgtSRg8EYJXPEIfNAQGrzF+tOyXnEMIiQEv P0jA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.240.237 with SMTP id wd13mr8789632vdc.18.1363817885706; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.84.226 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 18:18:05 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: ports issue: delete upstream perl dependencies by mistake From: Aleksandr Miroslav To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:18:07 -0000 I did something dumb I think with ports on my box. In the process of upgrading Perl, for every package that depended on Perl, via pkgdb, I somehow managed to delete the fact that the package depends on Perl itself. So now I have a bunch of packages that no longer reference Perl in it's upstream dependency listing. e.g. $ pkg_info -R p5-Mail-SpamAssassin-3.3.2_8 Information for p5-Mail-SpamAssassin-3.3.2_8: $ How can I fix this? Short of deleting all the packages (which I don't even know all they are, except for the p5-ones) and rebuilding? Thanks in advance, Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 20 23:09:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35B8C5DE for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 23:09:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@clari.net.au) Received: from fallbackmx07.syd.optusnet.com.au (fallbackmx07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5943A1A for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 23:09:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by fallbackmx07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r2KN920W028126 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:09:02 +1100 Received: from [192.168.100.102] (c114-76-1-137.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au [114.76.1.137]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r2KN8qti017372 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:08:53 +1100 Message-ID: <514A416C.1040706@clari.net.au> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:08:28 +1100 From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Leaking" disk space References: <20130320170241.278d4fb515536cb6669ae0bf@yahoo.es> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Optus-CM-Score: 0 X-Optus-CM-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Zs61sKHG c=1 sm=1 a=rXgAR6YtUHgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ejE0-8HIAAAA:8 a=ynHq8t7Mvk8A:10 a=t-ZmQhEZvBYsgfOH9kUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=+rVrtY7z3DVyADW7HUk29Q==:117 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 23:09:11 -0000 On 21/03/2013 3:55 AM, Dan Thomas wrote: > Stopping Postgres doesn't fix it, but rebooting does which points at Have you used fstat to identify the big growing file which is taking up the space, and which process has the file open? A file which has been unlinked from all directories won't be seen by du, but it does not free disk space until no process has it open. USER CMD PID FD MOUNT INUM MODE SZ|DV R/W root syslogd 47648 8 / 4317027 -rw-r--r-- 19776 w root syslogd 47648 9 / 4317041 -rw------- 63 w That might help to track it down. Danny From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 21 00:49:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2EA2DA for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 00:49:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from relay01.pair.com (relay01.pair.com [209.68.5.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D40EE25 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 00:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 13276 invoked by uid 0); 21 Mar 2013 00:49:25 -0000 Received: from 173.48.104.62 (HELO ?10.2.2.1?) (173.48.104.62) by relay01.pair.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2013 00:49:25 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 173.48.104.62 Message-ID: <514A5915.1050409@sneakertech.com> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:49:25 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: ZFS question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 00:49:33 -0000 I'm experiencing fatal issues with pools hanging my machine requiring a hard-reset. I'm new to freebsd and these mailing lists in particular, is this the place to ask for help? ______________________________________ it has a certain smooth-brained appeal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 21 02:51:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE208429 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:51:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rcartwri@asu.edu) Received: from mail-oa0-f49.google.com (mail-oa0-f49.google.com [209.85.219.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A930214 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:51:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id j6so2570051oag.22 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 19:51:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=25v6h/VFByQWrzVcnJHm7+YwXWSpE93ormotgVcZRYo=; b=HZUSCgyUICnVnCUmxkw4XTCbPq03ir194OV/KFNg/yPINazsjJoBomtO87IN/l0q+v pRNFJA9Ey5knGrLbgsdr97Yg+m1Va3S7RLGmIVU7j4FzCGGpG4Gzz7QPKEIWM+0D7AwY pZAXNOBTRaPFAAV7eA+23MiBv96+fj8VVaqwwhlRVNOGWpJOOpwCpMioLKJ0Mj4qpFId B+mKOWu44Ghwx96pbgulzsHm5wZExAwoipjJiaj55C+saZkEf+qq96vELY/IDF56tZuz 5cWpzWwjfLrmselrqVan0zbObYKmlNrxz+bRy89c+J0TvOl1SJ0eu9XC9UxP4DIsaAGA sV1Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.5.165 with SMTP id t5mr5858717oet.117.1363834308462; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 19:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.150.136 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 19:51:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <514A5915.1050409@sneakertech.com> References: <514A5915.1050409@sneakertech.com> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 19:51:48 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ZFS question From: "Reed A. Cartwright" To: Quartz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmVUWUzHBWPDG+5jEWwCIXqmrCBHSFOCXdVty/NIUTmpCJIVFe6+FhRdKRlsy3xxija8XeG Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:51:49 -0000 Several people, including me, have an issue like this with 9.1. Your best bet is to try 9.0. On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Quartz wrote: > I'm experiencing fatal issues with pools hanging my machine requiring a > hard-reset. I'm new to freebsd and these mailing lists in particular, is > this the place to ask for help? > > ______________________________________ > it has a certain smooth-brained appeal > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Reed A. 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(173.48.104.62) by relay00.pair.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2013 03:45:28 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 173.48.104.62 Message-ID: <514A8257.9020102@sneakertech.com> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 23:45:27 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Reed A. Cartwright" Subject: Re: ZFS question References: <514A5915.1050409@sneakertech.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 03:45:30 -0000 > Several people, including me, have an issue like this with 9.1. Your > best bet is to try 9.0. Hmm... interesting. Is there any consensus as to what's going on? Before anyone jumps to conclusions though, lemme just post the whole issue so we're on the same page (apologizes if it turns out this isn't the right mailing list for this): I have a raidz2 comprised of six sata drives connected via my motherboard's intel southbridge sata ports. All of the bios raid options are disabled and the drives are in straight ahci mode (hotswap enabled). The system (accounts, home dir, etc) is installed on a separate 7th drive formatted as normal ufs, connected to a separate non-intel motherboard port. As part of my initial stress testing, I'm simulating failures by popping the sata cable to various drives in the 6x pool. If I pop two drives, the pool goes into 'degraded' mode and everything works as expected. I can zero and replace the drives, etc, no problem. However, when I pop a third drive, the machine becomes VERY unstable. I can nose around the boot drive just fine, but anything involving i/o that so much as sneezes in the general direction of the pool hangs the machine. Once this happens I can log in via ssh, but that's pretty much it. I've reinstalled and tested this over a dozen times, and it's perfectly repeatable: `ls` the dir where the pool is mounted? hang. I'm already in the dir, and try to `cd` back to my home dir? hang. zpool destroy? hang. zpool replace? hang. zpool history? hang. shutdown -r now? gets halfway through, then hang. reboot -q? same as shutdown. The machine never recovers (at least, not inside 35 minutes, which is the most I'm willing to wait). Reconnecting the drives has no effect. My only option is to hard reset the machine with the front panel button. Googling for info suggested I try changing the pool's "failmode" setting from "wait" to "continue", but that doesn't appear to make any difference. For reference, this is a virgin 9.1-release installed off the dvd image with no ports or packages or any extra anything. I don't think I'm doing anything wrong procedure wise. I fully understand and accept that a raidz2 with three dead drives is toast, but I will NOT accept having it take down the rest of the machine with it. As it stands, I can't even reliably look at what state the pool is in. I can't even nuke the pool and start over without taking the whole machine offline. ______________________________________ it has a certain smooth-brained appeal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 21 04:45:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5B1339 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 04:45:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.org) Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe2d:43:76:96:30:32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905F1820 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 04:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id E00u1l02R1afHeLA34lygS; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 04:45:58 +0000 Received: from koitsu.strangled.net ([67.180.84.87]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id E4lx1l00K1t3BNj8d4lxAy; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 04:45:57 +0000 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4919F73A1C; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:45:57 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: quartz@sneakertech.com Subject: Re: ZFS question Message-ID: <20130321044557.GA15977@icarus.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20121106; t=1363841158; bh=/yrewiA3W2CgdiNdwiJPMVuiLQTXZ0HOKXZdEUzqBLA=; h=Received:Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LbPAgQ0QSJMRK1VHqS96ci7sBnDMwZSSxiOkCSEMMO22+E/SCarViAOHkemGnbHvC unykuaSMCwxsdttHLeTfcKj94x/Q8FJzd8+9dC6WInoscKw+2mkY2XvKEhenWKbYxy mKTx0jR5jMHpgkW2gWboU4W3bCsZ3cit3VZnO9kJiqOWjC3bWgctUXhBuytx2kTt58 qpbVKALCzunv4eatY/Ho8U7KQeb21hHnlAVOwxdYQFVsKMJbrzmroO+FZNyL5udf1Z vzz/B76ebbx08qerYGt7EpS7nEgLL39MEvudx5+1JU7AHMgTAqHdx6EDCDM+y1eHRU ZYlr24c+Xid8g== Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 04:45:58 -0000 (Please keep me CC'd as I'm not subscribed to -questions) Lots to say about this. 1. freebsd-fs is the proper list for filesystem-oriented questions of this sort, especially for ZFS. 2. The issue you've described is experienced by some, and **not** experienced by even more/just as many, so please keep that in mind. Each/every person's situation/environment/issue has to be treated separately/as unique. 3. You haven't provided any useful details, even in your follow-up post here: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2013-March/249958.html All you've provided is a "general overview" with no technical details, no actual data. You need to provide that data verbatim. You need to provide: - Contents of /boot/loader.conf - Contents of /etc/sysctl.conf - Output from "zpool status" - Output from "zpool get all" - Output from "zfs get all" - Output from "dmesg" (probably the most important) - Output from "sysctl vfs.zfs kstat.zfs" I particularly tend to assist with disk-level problems, so if this turns out to be a disk-level issue (and NOT a controller or controller driver issue), I can help quite a bit with that. 4. I would **not** suggest rolling back to 9.0. This recommendation is solves nothing -- if there is truly a bug/livelock issue, then that needs to be tracked down. By rolling back, if there is an issue, you're effectively ensuring it'll never get investigated or fixed, which means you can probably expect to see this in 9.2, 9.3, or even 10.x onward. If you can't deal with the instability, or don't have the time/cycles/interest to help track it down, that's perfectly okay too: my recommendation is to go back to UFS (there's no shame in that). Else, as always, I strongly recommend running stable/9 (keep reading). 5. stable/9 (a.k.a. FreeBSD 9.1-STABLE) just recently (~5 days ago) MFC'd an Illumos ZFS feature solely to help debug/troubleshoot this exact type of situation: introduction of the ZFS deadmean thread. Reference materials for what that is: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=248369 http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=247265 https://www.illumos.org/issues/3246 The purpose of this feature (enabled by default) is to induce a kernel panic when ZFS I/O stalls/hangs for unexpectedly long periods of time (configurable via vfs.zfs.deadman_synctime). Once the panic happens (assuming your system is configured with a slice dedicated to swap (ZFS-backed swap = bad bad bad) and use of dumpdev="auto" in rc.conf), upon reboot the system should extract the crash dump from swap and save it into /var/crash. At that point kernel developers on the -fs list can help tell you *exactly* what to do with kgdb(1) that can shed some light on what happened/where the issue may lie. All that's assuming that the issue truly is ZFS waiting for I/O and not something else (like ZFS internally spinning hard in its own code). Good luck, and let us know how you want to proceed. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc@koitsu.org | | UNIX Systems Administrator http://jdc.koitsu.org/ | | Mountain View, CA, US | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 21 05:10:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8698BF for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 05:10:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rcartwri@asu.edu) Received: from mail-wi0-x229.google.com (mail-wi0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6EB8F7 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 05:10:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f169.google.com with SMTP id hi8so865002wib.2 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:10:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=i3B7tLjG9TSnjPgoIWHcPjgZkmFJrwKwvyPYRMx7kwk=; b=N3J6BiydKMf74uk+kgGbxwnvUmBPiwA/kM0QeP4iaEFZ87j3Ibvsh7GoneqK9SAeGL jcUmTcEt4rWBVS37PQekJ6YvEiA/FTvkQWmecEm5dMSsbiSbRrgm7oyU2b+/oS6RJBPw 3343IP5uhiIeo5m4TfMK1RLKQ48piNG/FFM78HNZrSXnWkpujOtGzBWKpyug7exT9n6W gneUJVbK5tEAqe8wCkSKU0uWg7Q9m3Dojel5q3CDT64ZA4LqOV4C4epigEs9dHom1z2n L+2jwjpNeCmgpn+on2VfQPtsRNCgD8oeKcl+chX/J+EugQgML5LcUK6jDB2IRmC+m8FO vjcQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.109.35 with SMTP id hp3mr14732953wjb.15.1363842620273; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.198.2 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:10:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130321044557.GA15977@icarus.home.lan> References: <20130321044557.GA15977@icarus.home.lan> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:10:20 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ZFS question From: "Reed A. Cartwright" To: Jeremy Chadwick Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkxE8udeFwQ5ElXDzYliE6HxHCE6mV58/MDoBb2TpkedRJiSp1AybAC8y8PXbDMmFk61kCV Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 05:10:22 -0000 Note that my issue seems to do with an interaction between the CAM system and the MPS driver in 9.1. Thus it is more than likely different than what you are experiencing Quartz. Now that ZFS deadman has been incorporated into stable, I'll probably give a 9.1 (i.e. 9/stable) another try. Jeremy, I have a question about enabling kernel dumps based on my current swap config. I currently have a 1TB drive split into 4 geli encrypted swap partitions (Freebsd doesn't like swap partitions over ~250 GB and I have lots of RAM). These partitions are UFS-swap partitions and are not backed by any mirroing or ZFSing. So, how do I best enable crash dumps? If I need to remove encryption, I can do that. On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > (Please keep me CC'd as I'm not subscribed to -questions) > > > Lots to say about this. > > 1. freebsd-fs is the proper list for filesystem-oriented questions of > this sort, especially for ZFS. > > 2. The issue you've described is experienced by some, and **not** > experienced by even more/just as many, so please keep that in mind. > Each/every person's situation/environment/issue has to be treated > separately/as unique. > > 3. You haven't provided any useful details, even in your follow-up post > here: > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2013-March/249958.html > > All you've provided is a "general overview" with no technical details, > no actual data. You need to provide that data verbatim. You need to > provide: > > - Contents of /boot/loader.conf > - Contents of /etc/sysctl.conf > - Output from "zpool status" > - Output from "zpool get all" > - Output from "zfs get all" > - Output from "dmesg" (probably the most important) > - Output from "sysctl vfs.zfs kstat.zfs" > > I particularly tend to assist with disk-level problems, so if this turns > out to be a disk-level issue (and NOT a controller or controller driver > issue), I can help quite a bit with that. > > 4. I would **not** suggest rolling back to 9.0. This recommendation is > solves nothing -- if there is truly a bug/livelock issue, then that > needs to be tracked down. By rolling back, if there is an issue, you're > effectively ensuring it'll never get investigated or fixed, which means > you can probably expect to see this in 9.2, 9.3, or even 10.x onward. > > If you can't deal with the instability, or don't have the > time/cycles/interest to help track it down, that's perfectly okay too: > my recommendation is to go back to UFS (there's no shame in that). > > Else, as always, I strongly recommend running stable/9 (keep reading). > > 5. stable/9 (a.k.a. FreeBSD 9.1-STABLE) just recently (~5 days ago) > MFC'd an Illumos ZFS feature solely to help debug/troubleshoot this > exact type of situation: introduction of the ZFS deadmean thread. > Reference materials for what that is: > > http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=248369 > http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=247265 > https://www.illumos.org/issues/3246 > > The purpose of this feature (enabled by default) is to induce a kernel > panic when ZFS I/O stalls/hangs for unexpectedly long periods of time > (configurable via vfs.zfs.deadman_synctime). > > Once the panic happens (assuming your system is configured with a slice > dedicated to swap (ZFS-backed swap = bad bad bad) and use of > dumpdev="auto" in rc.conf), upon reboot the system should extract the > crash dump from swap and save it into /var/crash. At that point kernel > developers on the -fs list can help tell you *exactly* what to do with > kgdb(1) that can shed some light on what happened/where the issue may > lie. > > All that's assuming that the issue truly is ZFS waiting for I/O and not > something else (like ZFS internally spinning hard in its own code). > > Good luck, and let us know how you want to proceed. > > -- > | Jeremy Chadwick jdc@koitsu.org | > | UNIX Systems Administrator http://jdc.koitsu.org/ | > | Mountain View, CA, US | > | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP 4BD6C0CB | > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Reed A. Cartwright, PhD Assistant Professor of Genomics, Evolution, and Bioinformatics School of Life Sciences Center for Evolutionary Medicine and Informatics The Biodesign Institute Arizona State University From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 21 05:58:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3C7D9C for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 05:58:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from relay00.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.5.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9BBBDA2E for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 05:58:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 1021 invoked by uid 0); 21 Mar 2013 05:58:42 -0000 Received: from 173.48.104.62 (HELO ?10.2.2.1?) (173.48.104.62) by relay00.pair.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2013 05:58:42 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 173.48.104.62 Message-ID: <514AA192.2090006@sneakertech.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 01:58:42 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Chadwick Subject: Re: ZFS question References: <20130321044557.GA15977@icarus.home.lan> In-Reply-To: <20130321044557.GA15977@icarus.home.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 05:58:45 -0000 > 1. freebsd-fs is the proper list for filesystem-oriented questions of > this sort, especially for ZFS. Ok, I'm assuming I should subscribe to that list and post there then? > 2. The issue you've described is experienced by some, and **not** > experienced by even more/just as many, so please keep that in mind. Well, that's a given. Presumably if zfs was flat out totally broken, 9.x wouldn't have been released or I would've already found a million pages about this via google. I'm assuming my problem is a corner case and there might've been a bug/regression, or I fundamentally don't understand how this works. > 3. You haven't provided any useful details, even in your follow-up post > here: I got the impression that there wasn't a lot of overlap between the mailing lists and the forums, so I wanted to post in both simultaneously. > - Contents of /boot/loader.conf > - Contents of /etc/sysctl.conf > - Output from "zpool get all" > - Output from "zfs get all" > - Output from "sysctl vfs.zfs kstat.zfs" I'm running a *virgin* 9.1 with no installed software or modifications of any kind (past setting up a non-root user). All of these will be at their install defaults (with the possible exception of the "failmode" setting, but that didn't help when I tried it the first time, so I didn't bother during later re-installs). > - Output from "zpool status" There isn't a lot of detail to be had here.... after I pop the 3rd drive, zfs/zpool commands almost always cause the system to hang, so I'm not sure if I can get anything out of them. Prior to the hang it will just tell you I have a six-drive raidz2 with two of the drives "removed", so I'm not sure how that will be terribly useful. I can tell you though that I'm creating the array with the following command: zpool create -f array raidz2 ada{2,3,4,5,6,7} There are eight drives in the machine at the moment, and I'm not messing with partitions yet because I don't want to complicate things. (I will eventually be going that route though as the controller tends to renumber drives in a first-come-first-serve order that makes some things difficult). > - Output from "dmesg" (probably the most important) When? ie; right after boot, or after I've hot plugged a few drives, or yanked them, or created a pool, or what? > I particularly tend to assist with disk-level problems, This machine is using a pile of spare seagate 250gb drives, if that makes any difference. > By rolling back, if there is an issue, you're > effectively ensuring it'll never get investigated or fixed, That's why I asked for clarification, to see if it was a known regression in 9.1 or something similar. >or don't have the > time/cycles/interest to help track it down, I have plenty of all that, for better or worse :) >that's perfectly okay too: > my recommendation is to go back to UFS (there's no shame in that). At the risk of being flamed off the list, I'll switch to debian if it comes to that. I use freebsd exclusively for zfs. > Else, as always, I strongly recommend running stable/9 (keep reading). My problem with tracking -stable is the relative volatility. If I'm trying to debug a problem it's not always easy or possible to keep consistent/known versions of things. With -release I know exactly what I'm getting and it cuts out a lot of variables. >just recently (~5 days ago) > MFC'd an Illumos ZFS feature solely to help debug/troubleshoot this > exact type of situation: introduction of the ZFS deadmean thread. Yes, I already discovered this from various solaris threads I encountered. > The purpose of this feature (enabled by default) is to induce a kernel > panic when ZFS I/O stalls/hangs This doesn't really help my situation though. If I wanted a panic I'd just set failmode=panic. > All that's assuming that the issue truly is ZFS waiting for I/O and not > something else Well, everything I've read so far indicates that zfs has issues when dealing with un-writable pools, so I assume that's what's going on here. ______________________________________ it has a certain smooth-brained appeal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 21 06:06:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31914F8D for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 06:06:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.org) Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe2d:43:76:96:30:80]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E71A93 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 06:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id E66f1l0010x6nqcA866fAL; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 06:06:39 +0000 Received: from koitsu.strangled.net ([67.180.84.87]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id E66e1l00H1t3BNj8Y66eYY; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 06:06:39 +0000 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A860973A1C; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 23:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 23:06:38 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: "Reed A. Cartwright" Subject: Re: ZFS question Message-ID: <20130321060638.GA16997@icarus.home.lan> References: <20130321044557.GA15977@icarus.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20121106; t=1363845999; bh=jWURl9cCVQ/iQZkr2W9H0HhtchnKtuRe0xLji1lZSc4=; h=Received:Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DNXNORFRnoSFSV2Gpum5n9B92jn1RXfzXdh5iSTshjU6+dnqyKSlLMfxc4vqkJUnF lZO3n8ODSFLpqzCtHu5orp4s49sFBmLUltUD8exYYrX+Dn31ld0QYE9RUappsH/fig +cBIFzddhHbCGz1kijKkdkozzHIQCLJ7X/NO4RWb6TyNmmAVuldunIgMJYxJNH9f0f U4VnYdUQIE0t6W0mAvq2smz+UxyK33ufUHRmVKehL9GWC5Bk/mxurNBQee1tzYpRug MQFMsbXfCdIrqpepfoE1uMkyltsGqZEzQfLeo6EcwGdYab4gr9KTeIrKqI4XEOF+OU BRyH1IXRcQ5qA== Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 06:06:40 -0000 On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:10:20PM -0700, Reed A. Cartwright wrote: > {snipped stuff about CAM and mps and ZFS deadman} > > Jeremy, I have a question about enabling kernel dumps based on my > current swap config. > > I currently have a 1TB drive split into 4 geli encrypted swap > partitions (Freebsd doesn't like swap partitions over ~250 GB and I > have lots of RAM). > > These partitions are UFS-swap partitions and are > not backed by any mirroing or ZFSing. > > So, how do I best enable crash dumps? If I need to remove encryption, > I can do that. I have zero familiarity with geli(8), gbde(8), and file-based swap. My gut feeling is that you cannot use this to achieve a proper kernel panic dump, but I have not tried it. You can force a kernel panic via "sysctl debug.kdb.panic=1". I'm not sure if an automatic memory dump to swap happens with the stock GENERIC kernel however. I can talk more about that if needed (it involves adding some options to your kernel config, and one rc.conf variable). Regarding "enabling crash dumps" as a general concept: In rc.conf you need to have dumpdev="auto" (or point it to a specific disk slice, but auto works just fine assuming you have a "swap" or "dump" device defines in /etc/fstab -- see savecore(8) man page). Full details are in rc.conf(5). How this works: After a system reboots, during rc script startup, rc.d/savecore runs savecore which examines the configured dumpdev for headers + tries to detect if there was previously a kernel panic. If it finds one, it begins pulling the data out of swap and writing the results directly to /var/crash in a series of files (again, see savecore(8)). It does this ***before*** swapon(8) is run (reason why should be obvious) via rc.d/swapon. After it finishes, swapon is run (meaning anything previously written to the swap slice is effectively lost), and the system continues through the rest of the rc scripts. Purely for educational purposes: to examine system rc script order, see rcorder(8) or run "rcorder /etc/rc.d/*". -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc@koitsu.org | | UNIX Systems Administrator http://jdc.koitsu.org/ | | Mountain View, CA, US | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 21 07:35:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902F5DB7; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 07:35:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B61E69; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 07:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id r2L7ZMKm042037; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:35:22 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:35:22 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Dirk Engling Subject: Re: Handbook Jail Chapter rewrite available for critique In-Reply-To: <5148980A.1070408@erdgeist.org> Message-ID: <20130321170556.Q32142@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <1UHfYF-000LVV-4Y@internal.tormail.org> <5148980A.1070408@erdgeist.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-jail@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, sib@tormail.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 07:35:37 -0000 On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 17:53:30 +0100, Dirk Engling wrote: > On 18.03.13 20:16, sib@tormail.org wrote: > > > to configure things themselves. In my experience, ezjail is a much better > > solution. I also see that you are the maintainer/author of qjail and like > > to shovel your opinion as the only solution, both in this "rewrite" and > > all over the FreeBSD forums. > > Taking a look at the qjail code I can not help to notice several odd > similarities with the ezjail-admin script, down to the very basic bail > out routines. I would not go so far to claim it was just a global > search/replace job but to me the code looks familiar enough to find the > > # Copyright 2010, Qjail project. All rights reserved. > > offensive. I am usually quite open with the license of my software, > beerware is as permissive as it gets. I just can not take some script > kiddie right out copying my code verbatim and selling it as his, not > even acknowledging me as the original author. > > Anyone here with suggestions how to properly react to this kind of "fork"? Yes. Publicity. Making sure the FreeBSD community gets to finds out. You may be polite and un-selfserving enough to not go so far Dirk, but I will. Huge swathes of qjail are direct copies of your code, in most cases only with the names of the variables changed from ezjail_* to qjail_*. I found it cute renaming 'flavour' to the American spelling. Anyone looking at bin/qjail from qjail-2.1.tbz alongside the latest ezjail-admin (mine downloaded from your cvsweb) cannot fail to notice within the first couple of screens. Sure there are changes, additions and deletions, but to fail to acknowledge the original authorship of this code, and the implication that Joe Barbish (aka 'Qjail project') is its original author is entirely outrageous; not ethical, even if legal. To that end I'm cross-posting this to -questions, where Mr Barbish has also posted about his proposed "rewrite" of Chapter 16 of the Handbook, which is nothing but a huge and poorly written manual for 'the qjail way', with its peculiar assumptions and unique "jailcell" terminology. "Fourth Generation", no less! The idea that the "doc gang" would entertain the idea of removing all of the worthy content of the present Chapter 16 - even if it does need some updating - and replace it with this effort is laughable, yet stranger things have happened if there's any disconnect between developers and documenters .. witness the Handbook firewalls section, by Joe Barbish. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 21 08:56:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68068FD2 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 08:56:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.org) Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe2d:43:76:96:30:56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8B65F4 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 08:56:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id E8wD1l00116AWCUA68wGKf; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 08:56:16 +0000 Received: from koitsu.strangled.net ([67.180.84.87]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id E8wF1l00H1t3BNj8S8wFvx; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 08:56:15 +0000 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4897C73A1C; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 01:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 01:56:15 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS question Message-ID: <20130321085615.GA20791@icarus.home.lan> References: <20130321044557.GA15977@icarus.home.lan> <514AA192.2090006@sneakertech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <514AA192.2090006@sneakertech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20121106; t=1363856176; bh=DmO0XsS/+R9ihOxDNJVqJpHXODeqikq27vcNTEAGmVc=; h=Received:Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TlaHMHNL7QisyyuYSkTlXnHGryGRiXeuQxmF+J7puaUk6+gOJ9e/U4dZuSG9Y2b77 rTAKxZSZ3ENC9bAO747MZ7Z+Ss054SmGoVWPqdTuPJWAntRre/DVeFSB0qemZllrwN FHnAhqAxq6tr1TvzbdxGmcwr0gYBCnK1dZgsceirg3LA/7WA7ei9i+j89HQgNgZkEW uWkXqSIbFAIYAIr7AoXISOtSvgo2toyxfsojJEzLIAy+4TcjRhnVebTGMgJtwZW1V3 sGZAetBUFg+MVLO9tPvN+vD3Ul7C7USf0YJigdn4cAk/4IN9DY2JBKIuDbVe7PBS2T o6U51ORrVd+KA== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 08:56:17 -0000 {thread snip} For those following/interested in this conversation, it's been moved to freebsd-fs: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-fs/2013-March/016812.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-fs/2013-March/016813.html And the long/more recent analysis I did of the problem stated: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-fs/2013-March/016814.html -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc@koitsu.org | | UNIX Systems Administrator http://jdc.koitsu.org/ | | Mountain View, CA, US | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 21 10:40:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4041D1E for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:40:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from godders@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-f52.google.com (mail-qa0-f52.google.com [209.85.216.52]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D857B55 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id p6so165421qad.4 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 03:40:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=bbLRIZAUf5+VT4aQZJOkbCZbdydRrf9P2U+NgyguDQ4=; b=GqxdKmcQFMesNZtFGfaJuR1juL9S2FTpBN8wOv2P73+cXpYDH/JZ8WPZPzuT+Ko0+X UNdvHnE92ivEi/WeNJTbu39jvfVKeUuxNXbDL7fEdEItDMILn9u12dMkrJYm2W9FVV04 hJYXDXtMrTUOe/lRBQYzvNqAP3p3P9tPEaO5u8/W0y6uO6jVh4AuaR0eHchFuii9qpaQ eo2RPgaxhIgHDIIFyllP9HVttKXQWztvjZvtV7KB5UaqZeSPdRIM7AENcIoMSCqdMQsx MwG2trmGEQMgEYzwpQWVPZtrq2gSktRRY8ZgflpbbGNgQlJzEhpOK8YC94SV6qDVcekn LOaQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.27.198 with SMTP id j6mr9552743qac.2.1363862443618; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 03:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.71.145 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 03:40:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <514A416C.1040706@clari.net.au> References: <20130320170241.278d4fb515536cb6669ae0bf@yahoo.es> <514A416C.1040706@clari.net.au> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:40:43 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: "Leaking" disk space From: Dan Thomas To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:40:49 -0000 > Have you used fstat to identify the big growing file which is taking up the space, and which process has the file open? It's not an unlinked file. I've tried using fstat and lsof to identify it, and there's no inodes with zero links or that don't have a matching file on disk. Dan On 20 March 2013 23:08, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > On 21/03/2013 3:55 AM, Dan Thomas wrote: >> >> Stopping Postgres doesn't fix it, but rebooting does which points at > > Have you used fstat to identify the big growing file which is taking up the > space, and which process has the file open? > A file which has been unlinked from all directories won't be seen by du, but > it does not free disk space until no process has it open. > > USER CMD PID FD MOUNT INUM MODE SZ|DV R/W > root syslogd 47648 8 / 4317027 -rw-r--r-- 19776 w > root syslogd 47648 9 / 4317041 -rw------- 63 w > > That might help to track it down. > > Danny > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 21 15:21:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B8A79B for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:21:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-we0-x22a.google.com (mail-we0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::22a]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238CB163 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f170.google.com with SMTP id z2so889662wey.15 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 08:21:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=j1G0t5w1jsYnPALj8V538G862XVEuqPHdg9uF22f8cg=; b=pY4XX6/I8Paz2qcGsCmePAE2ZFym9KaN3Cj2GKyio2pBZEXbahjzkjEMM+sOiSufHM 7G1gz0l5EUzIwMxzhYfTTyxb7/5G/JjaIakmuNiIO2k7toJcKPdpucAayuCsNACE1723 x+oz+GoRNlauDg46q2qu5xPrbrPbPFMSeF/kKiw+MR+6yjuSno34YPp4V1XAQUwyc3pe dSdMVndU5+OO0mEBBKwAF9fC9H1un+KCl8rj83AWhiRmmgzu/pUKvqHr+V1KzEPPI6yC cMdUUyz4LVjxVMkeTcP5AvcdsfkrLcq+hicC+n2dir8J80y6uDREDHjyGJ6q8joPTLcz cS8w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.58.202 with SMTP id t10mr18186298wjq.4.1363879290028; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 08:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.115.135 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 08:21:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130321170556.Q32142@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <1UHfYF-000LVV-4Y@internal.tormail.org> <5148980A.1070408@erdgeist.org> <20130321170556.Q32142@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:21:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Handbook Jail Chapter rewrite available for critique From: Alejandro Imass To: Ian Smith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQku9T0l/JJPNrgNY/AqTJXfKf6rYkD7PjTvgbc12aOR5MXFL8VRmn2ANOWmm0yfBDeNwHn9 Cc: freebsd-jail@freebsd.org, Dirk Engling , FreeBSD Questions , sib@tormail.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:21:31 -0000 On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Ian Smith wrote: > On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 17:53:30 +0100, Dirk Engling wrote: > > On 18.03.13 20:16, sib@tormail.org wrote: > > > > > to configure things themselves. In my experience, ezjail is a much better > > > solution. I also see that you are the maintainer/author of qjail and like > > > to shovel your opinion as the only solution, both in this "rewrite" and > > > all over the FreeBSD forums. [...] > > > > # Copyright 2010, Qjail project. All rights reserved. > > > > offensive. I am usually quite open with the license of my software, > > beerware is as permissive as it gets. I just can not take some script > > kiddie right out copying my code verbatim and selling it as his, not > > even acknowledging me as the original author. > > > > Anyone here with suggestions how to properly react to this kind of "fork"? > > Yes. Publicity. Making sure the FreeBSD community gets to finds out. > [...] > To that end I'm cross-posting this to -questions, where Mr Barbish has > also posted about his proposed "rewrite" of Chapter 16 of the Handbook, > which is nothing but a huge and poorly written manual for 'the qjail > way', with its peculiar assumptions and unique "jailcell" terminology. > "Fourth Generation", no less! > +1 Thank you Ian for cross-posting here. The first thing I did when I got the new chapter for review was search for the work EzJail and I was curious as to why EzJail is not mentioned anywhere in this new proposal and why it isn't mentioned in the current handbook either under in section "16.5.2 High-Level Administrative Tools in the FreeBSD Ports Collection". If there is __any__ tool that should be mentioned in the jails chapter it is EzJail because it's really easy to use and does a damn good job. We've been using it in production __extensively__ since about 2010 and the one and only issue we've had was probably related to some sort of border-line bug with nullfs which has never happened since. We currently run half a dozen servers with anywhere from 12 to 24 jails each and we've only had a single isolated incident and it wasn't even related directly to EzJail. We use flavours extensively and constantly derive jails from others and move jails between servers, much like if we were using VMWare; it's that easy, or easier, and works every time. NOW some things start to make sense to me, when I posted a problem with EzJail here last year that very few people, if any, knew what I was talking about. An how could they? if it's not mentioned anywhere in the handbook or that jail man page(s). In fact, looking back at this thread[1] I can see that great deal of misunderstanding an unnecessary confusion could have been that the term "EzJail" meant nothing to most people commenting on the thread. When I commented the problem to Dirk he immediately recognized that it could have been a problem with nullfs and so did "jb"[2], who not only immediately thought of nulls, but actually found some bugs that were very similar to my situation[3], and which is BTW still open AFAICT. Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that it seems quite odd that EzJail is not very publicized and I would like to see it prominently mentioned in the handbook and man pages as a great tool for Jail administration. Thanks, -- Alejandro Imass [1] http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2012-April/240468.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2012-April/240501.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2012-April/240551.html [2] http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2012-April/240566.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2012-April/240569.html [3] PR#147420 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/147420 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 21 16:57:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F312EF28 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:57:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dannygia90@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-x243.google.com (mail-ob0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C67B4B57 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:57:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f195.google.com with SMTP id tb18so729450obb.2 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 09:57:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=pXdU9rUsPQ8aNJ+SHe+Cu10R+ho275Ccg4za7hKY2vg=; b=kDptiVW4ekZ5PG7vSvr28sXYtwOxJjt4lMvyjXVp6DhkRlUbHMLdE3bdZOL0mCz41O S3aS8ZqVGPLuKZpcGIfZ5unlE/P1QuSkG+qfWftUkwNUBFuXRC/Abqshu1LSMaddnBkX aDpBTtmzp6pcSRoDzTwAX0zy25Ph9tYMpv30mzI+sgMuqQFf1Ajh0oraQp8DjKLXOhef NqA6tPt/ws6WrqIh/Yq9uSOCYE4snMU7TJJ2o1OjeQ+5Y3goddA5ofqereq/UCsncj+2 gM4tRl3JWPF5HCKodduQKTgLH3ugY29B6WZsG7EqrIKNR3nNLe6w+nToXAWryK/w6fve dBKw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.11.132 with SMTP id q4mr7268940oeb.46.1363885073331; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 09:57:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.95.168 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 09:57:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 23:57:53 +0700 Message-ID: Subject: http://localhost/phpmyadmin From: Danny Gia To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:57:54 -0000 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 21 18:06:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26D24B9 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:06:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.ballantine@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pd0-f177.google.com (mail-pd0-f177.google.com [209.85.192.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47B9FD for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f177.google.com with SMTP id y14so1190495pdi.22 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:06:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3hrbTnFO6Y7Htr0FHUZLoqpsF8ADXFArHYR6Z5w0dAk=; b=LTWGppTtyYoWoCiy11BuYyHE3stsKwexqylOAHvyKOgrVEkXApRi3PPycXGfaebBQ3 lm7Ty3AtskHzunJyJGvJn99knTJssM1SNJzP1gJAW8eC0K595IlvY8IdRbGH3QpIL/5V TSAZRs6xZ+o6E2Y6XLseqSaKR5tvwPUeXdt3coH6P5vgM7z44f/nukISmzAk/mV2Jx02 6EzYIdyhdJzVGZpcMouTMoXBFYFNX4Urc5Y3qn67VVa5nIKUNQmHtbvrdv4AAC4n4eIF XKieBBl9s7RxMmUhW5WwRd2kUB6LearkumZQu7qTyxQK8bXlaJZplgr9YHxoZgTUpKXU 4AiQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.183.10 with SMTP id ei10mr9309796pac.39.1363889212288; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.15.99 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 14:06:52 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Installing openssl from ports From: Jim Ballantine To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:06:52 -0000 Hi, I understand that heimdal and openssl are both port of the base system and both install fine with a system build/install. But when I attempt to install the latest openssl for the port system, it fails with a conflict (installs file in the same place) with heimdal. I've search the web for an answer but haven't found one and asked the port owner. So my question is short of editing the Make file to remove the installation of the file in conflict, what do I need to do to install the openssl port? Thanks Jim Ballantine From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 21 19:54:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8FB0535 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:54:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A98437DC for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:54:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.10.1] ([173.88.202.176]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:54:24 -0700 Message-ID: <514B656E.3060106@a1poweruser.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:54:22 -0400 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD questions Subject: kernel config file Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2013 19:54:24.0217 (UTC) FILETIME=[E301F490:01CE266D] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Authenticated-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-EchoSenderHash: [fbsd8]-[a1poweruser*com] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:54:28 -0000 Back around 4.x there was a File that had all the available kernel compile options with their meanings as comments. On 9.1 I don't see that file any more. Where can I find that file that lists all the kernel compile options? The 9.1 NOTES file is not that file. I have "makeoptions NO_MODULES=yes" statement in my kernel config file and the "blanktime" and "warp_saver" load modules don't get created. I need the options statements for those items so I can compile then into the kernel. 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id tf2sm42945366veb.8.2013.03.21.13.08.31 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Mar 2013 13:08:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3ZWzb24p2lz2CG4m for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:08:30 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Installing openssl from ports Message-ID: <20130321160830.7f02479e@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.17; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmY7IbC5qIZ+XvwazabktIflIO7T/17u117KZniQpiXBy2fnJzu4Gx6wBAmqeZkkV+cdSea X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:08:33 -0000 On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 14:06:52 -0400 Jim Ballantine articulated: > Hi, > > I understand that heimdal and openssl are both port of the base > system and both install > fine with a system build/install. But when I attempt to install the > latest openssl for the > port system, it fails with a conflict (installs file in the same > place) with heimdal. I've search > the web for an answer but haven't found one and asked the port owner. > > So my question is short of editing the Make file to remove the > installation of the file in > conflict, what do I need to do to install the openssl port? I have the port version installed also. You need to put this in your /etc/make.conf file sans quotations marks: "WITH_OPENSSL_PORT=yes" and then build the port. Be sure to run "make config" in the port prior to actually building it and that is about it. If you are building it manually, you might want to run "make clean" in the port prior to attempting to build it though. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 21 20:38:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C88F7CC for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:38:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from anakin.london.02.net (anakin.london.02.net [87.194.255.134]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980BB98B for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.2.50] (93.96.236.188) by anakin.london.02.net (8.5.140) id 50D100E101EB58F1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:36:44 +0000 Message-ID: <514B6F5C.8060706@onetel.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:36:44 +0000 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111228 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kernel config file References: <514B656E.3060106@a1poweruser.com> In-Reply-To: <514B656E.3060106@a1poweruser.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:38:29 -0000 On 21/03/2013 19:54, Fbsd8 wrote: > Back around 4.x there was a File that had all the available kernel > compile options with their meanings as comments. On 9.1 I don't see that > file any more. Where can I find that file that lists all the kernel > compile options? The 9.1 NOTES file is not that file. > > I have "makeoptions NO_MODULES=yes" statement in my kernel config file > and the "blanktime" and "warp_saver" load modules don't get created. > > I need the options statements for those items so I can compile then into > the kernel. Would it be /usr/src/sys/conf/NOTES ? %grep warp_saver /usr/src/sys/conf/NOTES device warp_saver And isn't blanktime set in rc.conf? %grep blank /etc/defaults/rc.conf blanktime="300" # blank time (in seconds) or "NO" to turn it off. Chris > > Thanks > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 21 22:27:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEE445D for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:27:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E42EDA for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-88-89.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.88.89]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B47D27625; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 23:27:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r2LMRfCF002057; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 23:27:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 23:27:41 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Fbsd8 Subject: Re: kernel config file Message-Id: <20130321232741.a6f4629a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <514B656E.3060106@a1poweruser.com> References: <514B656E.3060106@a1poweruser.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:27:42 -0000 On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:54:22 -0400, Fbsd8 wrote: > Back around 4.x there was a File that had all the available kernel > compile options with their meanings as comments. On 9.1 I don't see that > file any more. Where can I find that file that lists all the kernel > compile options? The 9.1 NOTES file is not that file. There are several files with such content. For architecture- independent and general settings: /usr/src/sys/conf/NOTES For i386 or amd64 architecture, individual: /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/NOTES /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/NOTES Similarly, you'll find the DEFAULTS and GENERIC files helpful. > I have "makeoptions NO_MODULES=yes" statement in my kernel config file > and the "blanktime" and "warp_saver" load modules don't get created. Have a look at "man src.conf" for dealing with the creation of modules. > I need the options statements for those items so I can compile then into > the kernel. If I remember correctly, you'll need "device sc", "device vga" and "device splash" for the splash screen and screen saver support. Also see /usr/src/sys/conf/NOTES where several savers are listed with options like "device warp_saver". -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[81.105.214.95]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g4sm8227500wib.11.2013.03.21.15.33.28 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by localhost (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 21 Mar 2013 23:42:29 +0000 From: Peter Harrison Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 23:42:29 +0000 To: Michael Ross Subject: Re: No sound with Thinkpad X60 Message-ID: <20130321234229.GA2205@thinkpad.piggybox> References: <20130314225908.GA2157@thinkpad.piggybox> <20130315232827.GA2189@thinkpad.piggybox> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Peter Harrison X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:33:32 -0000 Saturday, 16 March 2013 at 0:17:18 +0100, Michael Ross said: > On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 00:28:27 +0100, Peter Harrison > wrote: > > > Friday, 15 March 2013 at 18:48:24 +0100, Michael Ross said: > >> On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 23:59:09 +0100, Peter Harrison > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Hi list, > >> > > >> > I've a problem with sound on a Thinkpad X60, which has an Intel HDA > >> chip. > >> > > >> > This is what I see in dmesg: > >> > > >> > hdac0: mem 0xee240000-0xee243fff irq 17 > >> at > >> > device 27.0 on pci0 > >> > hdacc0: at cad 0 on hdac0 > >> > hdaa0: at nid 1 on > >> hdacc0 > >> > pcm0: at nid 5 and 25,8 on hdaa0 > >> > hdacc1: at cad 1 on hdac0 > >> > unknown: at nid 2 > >> on > >> > hdacc1 (no driver attached) > >> > > >> > and from sndstat: > >> > > >> > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm: 32bit 2009061500/i386) > >> > Installed devices: > >> > pcm0: (play/rec) default > >> > > >> > and from mixer: > >> > > >> > Mixer vol is currently set to 100:100 > >> > Mixer pcm is currently set to 100:100 > >> > Mixer speaker is currently set to 100:100 > >> > Mixer cd is currently set to 1:1 > >> > Mixer rec is currently set to 1:1 > >> > Mixer igain is currently set to 42:42 > >> > Mixer ogain is currently set to 100:100 > >> > Mixer monitor is currently set to 67:67 > >> > Recording source: cd > >> > > >> > But I have no sound. This is using Gnome 2.32 on 9.1-R. I did > >> initially > >> > accidentally install Pulseaudio, but have subsequently deleted it and > >> > reinstalled everything that depended on it without the Pulseaudio > >> > dependency. > >> > > >> > Any thoughts on what I'm doing wrong? > >> > > >> > Thanks in advance. > >> > >> Possibly not helping a lot: > >> > >> I have a T510 thinkpad with Intel HDA audio, running Windows 7. > >> I need to have the audio driver *and* the modem driver installed for any > >> sound to work. > >> So possibly the modem part has to be initialised or something. > >> You have "no driver attached" on your modem, so maybe that's worth > >> looking > >> at. > >> > >> You could also try if sound works from a terminal without running Gnome > >> at > >> all, > >> just to be sure it's not some Gnome configuration thing. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Michael > > > > Thanks Michael. > > > > Tried turning gnome off. Still no sound from the console. Is there a > > FreeBSD kernel module for the modem? > > > > Don't know. > But stepping back, do you have snd_hda loaded? > ( Silly me, should have been the first question. ) > > Found this: > http://www.bmichelsen.no/blog/2012/01/28/configuring-freebsd-for-x60s/ > > Regards, > > Michael Sorry for the late reply, been away from the keyboard for a while. I'm not loading snd_hda separately, but it's definitely there: root@thinkpad:/home/peter # kldload snd_hda kldload: can't load snd_hda: File exists I've seen that blog and a couple of other sites describing configure FreeBSD on the X60, and they all seem to infer that sound works without a problem. So for the moment at least I'm stumped. Thanks for trying to help. Cheers, Peter Harrison. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 22 01:28:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E386CE for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:28:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jasjus.bwi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x236.google.com (mail-wi0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::236]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA437BA for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:28:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f182.google.com with SMTP id hi18so3791689wib.3 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:28:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+x0a1n63vVwm5qhgRLBP0kBwQDG/v/vw+eUr7JBHcgA=; b=ZknAA0fz5avwbf4m+MVZrOvZ9WXXDsZoGuV/pVx4ndfXFFHktPuy6REsrA5u8a+fQW gbotTtOM2lrclwsv0bUfywwbD7qpvqyUgu8TbFzxRRoIj3gv18vNculi3AVpvh6x0uXF hphEzvaRn/4ZdfNBFUsDiyCc7iIuI0JwVdPXgKz/s0hkdG+M9EwjqCOzbYa3NUpvNNh8 CFWIHTX4HFEpVWvIySfj5YqkUEABxbgo6QRCGt7n2KJxsOMkjNWi+KLhjKcy4Fk4/uwg 1M3TgPsgzHebPTe2LSPj16NXCBOraaQ5xMsD1Q3ZQQwe1TZG5DVHS0oGBGXMkYd550nU k7jA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.242.163 with SMTP id wr3mr20573140wjc.35.1363915687735; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.0.164 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 09:28:07 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: route BGP From: just man man To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:28:09 -0000 dear firiend, do you have configuration routing BGP in freebsd ? thank you From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 22 01:33:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8C3860 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:33:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@clari.net.au) Received: from mail13.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail13.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65EE67DE for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.100.102] (c114-76-1-137.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au [114.76.1.137]) by mail13.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r2M1Wppl006633 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:32:52 +1100 Message-ID: <514BB4C3.2050403@clari.net.au> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:32:51 +1100 From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: route BGP References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Optus-CM-Score: 0 X-Optus-CM-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=D5QfsYtj c=1 sm=1 a=rXgAR6YtUHgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ejE0-8HIAAAA:8 a=E5br63HMjyoA:10 a=q56oFxeYAAAA:8 a=yE7Y8l8rplx-09z89M0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=+rVrtY7z3DVyADW7HUk29Q==:117 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:33:02 -0000 Hi, On 22/03/2013 12:28 PM, just man man wrote: > do you have configuration routing BGP in freebsd ? > thank you I use quagga, because that's what I have been using for the last 10 years. http://www.freshports.org/net/quagga-re/ http://www.freshports.org/net/quagga/ You might also like to try OpenBGPD http://www.freshports.org/net/openbgpd/ Danny From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 22 02:25:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF730673 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 02:25:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from universite@ukr.net) Received: from ffe17.ukr.net (ffe17.ukr.net [195.214.192.83]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C58993B for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 02:25:10 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ukr.net; s=ffe; h=Date:Message-Id:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; bh=i2L1HRmtpEmo6BYGfGhK2WvB9VWlVTdajW38jD+bW1E=; b=Og/8pmVVhaA1T5zn5FqatU3a3a9Fv7iqljFBoU0zAF3xjva3iE1Bph0+bSGGDTDCiiyX8OdatPwoQ7ZoCXVggyVBEo2W61UOROwazW2FTimSo1Y3jHIls9bHNWYeP/BBjFFX6mgiHP1i3dDK3Z34nohEmUe3eXjrY6fHkNGy014=; Received: from mail by ffe17.ukr.net with local ID 1UIrfI-000CUo-Uf for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 04:25:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Subject: Re[2]: route BGP In-Reply-To: <514BB4C3.2050403@clari.net.au> References: <514BB4C3.2050403@clari.net.au> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Vladislav Prodan" X-Mailer: freemail.ukr.net 4.0 Message-Id: <45972.1363919108.100438613963374592@ffe17.ukr.net> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 04:25:08 +0200 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 02:25:10 -0000 > Hi, > > On 22/03/2013 12:28 PM, just man man wrote: > > do you have configuration routing BGP in freebsd ? > > thank you > > I use quagga, because that's what I have been using for the last 10 years. > http://www.freshports.org/net/quagga-re/ > http://www.freshports.org/net/quagga/ > > You might also like to try OpenBGPD > http://www.freshports.org/net/openbgpd/ Or bird http://www.freshports.org/net/bird/ -- Vladislav V. Prodan System & Network Administrator http://support.od.ua +380 67 4584408, +380 99 4060508 VVP88-RIPE From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 22 04:27:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFA9FC7 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 04:27:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228FEF03 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 04:27:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.news4all.se (usenet4all.se [82.182.32.53]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r2M4RqAw080167; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 05:27:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <514BDDAA.5050401@bananmonarki.se> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 05:27:22 +0100 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130301 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Harrison Subject: Re: No sound with Thinkpad X60 References: <20130314225908.GA2157@thinkpad.piggybox> <20130315232827.GA2189@thinkpad.piggybox> <20130321234229.GA2205@thinkpad.piggybox> In-Reply-To: <20130321234229.GA2205@thinkpad.piggybox> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Michael Ross , questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 04:27:57 -0000 2013-03-22 00:42, Peter Harrison skrev: > Sorry for the late reply, been away from the keyboard for a while. > > I'm not loading snd_hda separately, but it's definitely there: > > root@thinkpad:/home/peter # kldload snd_hda > kldload: can't load snd_hda: File exists > > I've seen that blog and a couple of other sites describing configure FreeBSD on the X60, and they all seem to infer that sound works without a problem. > > So for the moment at least I'm stumped. > > Thanks for trying to help. > > Cheers, In your /etc/rc.conf you have mixer_enable="YES" # Run the sound mixer. sound_enable="YES" Dont know if that should be in loader.conf or rc.conf. Not having it myself. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 22 04:40:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF97246 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 04:40:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F99F76 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 04:40:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-88-89.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.88.89]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1BAC3D001 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 05:40:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r2M4eXYJ008527 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 05:40:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 05:40:33 +0100 From: Polytropon To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: No sound with Thinkpad X60 Message-Id: <20130322054033.cdc923cb.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <514BDDAA.5050401@bananmonarki.se> References: <20130314225908.GA2157@thinkpad.piggybox> <20130315232827.GA2189@thinkpad.piggybox> <20130321234229.GA2205@thinkpad.piggybox> <514BDDAA.5050401@bananmonarki.se> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 04:40:35 -0000 On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 05:27:22 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote: > sound_enable="YES" Dont know if that should be in loader.conf or > rc.conf. Not having it myself. That would be /boot/loader.conf, see /boot/defaults/loader.conf for examples (e. g. how to specify snd_hda use). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 22 05:29:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E2ACCF for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 05:29:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE07F20C for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 05:29:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.news4all.se (usenet4all.se [82.182.32.53]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r2M5TRjT081541; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:29:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <514BEC19.2060802@bananmonarki.se> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:28:57 +0100 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130301 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Harrison Subject: Re: No sound with Thinkpad X60 References: <20130314225908.GA2157@thinkpad.piggybox> <20130315232827.GA2189@thinkpad.piggybox> <20130321234229.GA2205@thinkpad.piggybox> In-Reply-To: <20130321234229.GA2205@thinkpad.piggybox> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Michael Ross , questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 05:29:33 -0000 2013-03-22 00:42, Peter Harrison skrev: Put this in your /boot/loader.conf and report back. hw.snd.default_unit="0" Test with other nubers if 0 do not work. 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b9sm2517721vee.3.2013.03.22.04.31.07 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 22 Mar 2013 04:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3ZXN3Z5RCwz2CG5T for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:31:06 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: No sound with Thinkpad X60 Message-ID: <20130322073106.10ab6e89@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <514BEC19.2060802@bananmonarki.se> References: <20130314225908.GA2157@thinkpad.piggybox> <20130315232827.GA2189@thinkpad.piggybox> <20130321234229.GA2205@thinkpad.piggybox> <514BEC19.2060802@bananmonarki.se> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.17; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnF+JBCjca0wVE34aiFPhEphtao3XRBFq+4Fd+Hn89pnbx06uv3/dzYXGgIMg8TMuybn9RB X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:31:15 -0000 On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:28:57 +0100 Bernt Hansson articulated: > 2013-03-22 00:42, Peter Harrison skrev: > > Put this in your /boot/loader.conf and report back. > > hw.snd.default_unit="0" > > Test with other nubers if 0 do not work. Using an nVidia card, I had to do the following: /etc/sysctl.conf hw.snd.default_unit=4 Rebooted and the sound worked. I never found any truly accurate information on it, it was basically just a trail and error experiment. And YES, it sucks that in all to many cases, sound doesn't "just work". -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 22 11:41:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02D8B0C for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:41:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from godders@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-f42.google.com (mail-qa0-f42.google.com [209.85.216.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67727F55 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id bv4so1781221qab.8 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 04:41:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=6/bQBTG0kv7lOeZ+9aTj/bhfJMMH0Oz6Fy8fkelE8nU=; b=HvRCIC5A1JIm15fhEx0YBMGDv8Z8+GcU3m5FtQJpnbwJWHmqRkWBqHfxaA/evnFC+2 hNqRKyb1lrdcHero4nvEYbT9Hu73aqscvDQ9takK7Er6BaW1+RHqp4POfsP7o9ZPUWIe uHymycA4UVLcsyJlmAossoxn4Yz5nke+6bYRtE1W5N2xPiuJtQtnRhEPq0G8H0Mft2iQ ZqNTyAKTMBGScY3n5puMkQNZ9Ir88bB7CZzaWVbMrdSQpuyVTunZX+KAtSgYwPCwHY9V mW/Wnl8hlz7I5VArh54kYRztSOHT50XBBcDlQfRDIcvILk+vHA8rxrxy5PHQBMsWMIU+ s4NA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.61.65 with SMTP id s1mr228909qch.114.1363952512349; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 04:41:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.71.145 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 04:41:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <514B0962.7080606@bananmonarki.se> References: <20130320170241.278d4fb515536cb6669ae0bf@yahoo.es> <514A416C.1040706@clari.net.au> <514B0962.7080606@bananmonarki.se> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:41:52 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: "Leaking" disk space From: Dan Thomas To: Bernt Hansson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Daniel O'Callaghan , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:41:58 -0000 > A stab in the dark, but does # sync change anything Alas, no. On 21 March 2013 13:21, Bernt Hansson wrote: > On 2013-03-21 11:40, Dan Thomas wrote: >>> >>> Have you used fstat to identify the big growing file which is taking up >>> the space, and which process has the file open? >> >> >> It's not an unlinked file. I've tried using fstat and lsof to identify >> it, and there's no inodes with zero links or that don't have a >> matching file on disk. > > > A stab in the dark, but does # sync change anything. > > > >> Dan >> >> On 20 March 2013 23:08, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: >>> >>> On 21/03/2013 3:55 AM, Dan Thomas wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Stopping Postgres doesn't fix it, but rebooting does which points at >>> >>> >>> Have you used fstat to identify the big growing file which is taking up >>> the >>> space, and which process has the file open? >>> A file which has been unlinked from all directories won't be seen by du, >>> but >>> it does not free disk space until no process has it open. >>> >>> USER CMD PID FD MOUNT INUM MODE SZ|DV R/W >>> root syslogd 47648 8 / 4317027 -rw-r--r-- 19776 w >>> root syslogd 47648 9 / 4317041 -rw------- 63 w >>> >>> That might help to track it down. >>> >>> Danny >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 22 12:09:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F307BD9 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:09:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net [IPv6:2001:44b8:8060:ff02:300:1:2:6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AECF9227 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ppp247-71.static.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([203.122.247.71]) by ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 22 Mar 2013 22:39:45 +1030 Message-ID: <514C49FD.90700@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 22:39:33 +1030 From: Shane Ambler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Ballantine Subject: Re: Installing openssl from ports References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:09:49 -0000 On 22/03/2013 04:36, Jim Ballantine wrote: > But when I attempt to install the latest openssl for the > port system, it fails with a conflict (installs file in the same place) > with heimdal. Take a close look at the message and what happens before. openssl only gives a conflict message if the base version is newer than the port. Heimdal conflicts with krb4 krb5 and srp Any other conflicts will be from dependencies, you'll need to check what port brings in a dependency that generates the conflict. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 22 12:59:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD7172 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:59:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emorrasg@yahoo.es) Received: from nm20.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm20.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.77]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4982C777 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [77.238.189.231] by nm20.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2013 12:59:44 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.123] by tm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2013 12:59:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp160.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2013 12:59:44 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.es; s=s1024; t=1363957184; bh=GJjPIXyrkMpkvEcYKDAAi4rAphzS7wlNniWnkR3FVrc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=p0MhpvARkPDsVn3TAjSdE0zujXTYJ7KqkKyiMvRAM4iWveaQunxewmywb9gDxlIke0fJ5m6j0wRGpIVB9JagqQG4BwXJWCVsrcWysqk0pStx+UMjCK6rXU5F0Yc+JHn+vte+BwPNRCNafyVer29UvS2nItxmGQRyhAAOk2KAiQo= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 385588.39509.bm@smtp160.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Zpmihe4VM1mRS__qdvk3P8SOjEgAMiSt7G4L6n4xjMYaMiE uLiVyk5wPxwHgheEE4oyOHkp1yuKgyDpoFA7NJwM5hHrn3XTm4LdLMg.c.lM F70X2VXpUD9AurF0TS0A5Ryqu0IVU_4Bo0E13c9y7AHhy6UnDWo_vvZJFkOG X51wfOgJ_nKdyTTq0YkOcJKt0FiCbjhqk_rzUw5ORdav31vBmLsEa6wKsPh8 xMlV5MoMduIWWB7Te0lBYd2r3L7ZIi5qb.pTKROSLD.8qDpT1D8lSWlZZUVn G_yFER3AOZey3VTDUxU2Sbtmz_gQgfMtv2naLDMkURSq7y_jrRiml8.c5wdn 5faMkpXWUw6crDQlWPFJA7Ile2It47KYXzlq9yWoiVThTQHfCPP82c7hZklI 3d2znvmbRf1Z_2B5yfQ38q3RkCr.B3a66DfOLrOb9aK1ZKIbgYJlRvBTE4WT FgVa3tuOzULm2sR2f53SYkEyf4fO344NXNoSYBYyYp.PcYTrGgkAekNhn2MW cDadkxEE_bQSo X-Yahoo-SMTP: mX392iiswBAeJNdO_s.EW62LZDJR X-Rocket-Received: from camibar.emorras.eu (emorrasg@85.219.46.40 with plain) by smtp160.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2013 12:59:44 +0000 UTC Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:59:45 +0100 From: Eduardo Morras To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Leaking" disk space Message-Id: <20130322135945.3bf78de167d56d8019072626@yahoo.es> In-Reply-To: References: <20130320170241.278d4fb515536cb6669ae0bf@yahoo.es> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.24.17; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:59:52 -0000 On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:55:34 +0000 Dan Thomas wrote: > > a) Where do you have the wal files? > > pg_xlog is symlinked to /usr/local/pglog/pg_xlog (ie, out of the > partition mounted as /usr/local/pgsql which is exhibiting this > behaviour). > As Matthew Seaman says in other answer, this is the problem. Check http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-fs/2013-March/016702.html and next thread messages. It seems that writing file follow the symlink but makes a shadow/ghost file entry in original directory/disk. I see that you don't have trim enabled on the postgres fs, tunefs -p /usr/local/pgsql/ shows option t disabled. Is trim enabled on the fs where the symlink points? (Show the output of tunefs -p /dev/_don't_know_the_dev_entry_name) > b) Are you sure that unused/old wal files are erased? > > As above, but yes they seem to be being deleted properly > > c) Do you have any postgres log level activated (like the ones used > for long queries)? > > Yes we have slow query logging enabled. pg_log is symlinked out of > that partition to /usr/local/pglog/pg_log as well. > > d) Does your queries have GROUP BY on very big data sets? Those create > big temporal data files. > > Yes we do a lot of that! However there are definitely no unlinked > files, and the problem doesn't go away when pg is shut down. However a > reboot does fix it. Those questions were only to check and be sure is not a "normal" temp files problem. What does dmesg show about filesystem check? Does it mark dirty filesystem? # WARNING!! Make a backup first!!! If you stop postgres, and shoot #fsck_ffs -E /dev/mfid1s1d , does the problem solve? # END WARNING!! Please post the output of the fsck_ffs. If the fsck_ffs doesn't solve the problem, check if there exist a lost+found directory on /usr/local/pgsql/ and it's content. > > e) With question a) and b), do you use streaming replication? > > Yes we do. This problem is not present on the warm standby servers > that are being streamed to. We have failed over to the warm standbys > previously (we're currently doing this regularly to work around the > problem without too much downtime). Once we switch the warm standby to > primary, it begins leaking space. It may store old&all wal files, but it seems a bug at filesystem level. Trim support in ufs was added to 9.0 and backported to 8 and may be a candidate to watch. --- --- Eduardo Morras From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 22 13:04:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 234353FC; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:04:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B2F837; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:04:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id r2MD3nx0003177; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 00:03:50 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 00:03:49 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Alejandro Imass Subject: Re: Handbook Jail Chapter rewrite available for critique In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20130322220317.A32142@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <1UHfYF-000LVV-4Y@internal.tormail.org> <5148980A.1070408@erdgeist.org> <20130321170556.Q32142@sola.nimnet.asn.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-jail@freebsd.org, Dirk Engling , FreeBSD Questions , sib@tormail.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:04:06 -0000 On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:21:29 -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote: > On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Ian Smith wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 17:53:30 +0100, Dirk Engling wrote: [.. also chopping mercilessly ..] > > > # Copyright 2010, Qjail project. All rights reserved. > > > > > > offensive. I am usually quite open with the license of my software, > > > beerware is as permissive as it gets. I just can not take some script > > > kiddie right out copying my code verbatim and selling it as his, not > > > even acknowledging me as the original author. > > > > > > Anyone here with suggestions how to properly react to this kind of "fork"? > > > > Yes. Publicity. Making sure the FreeBSD community gets to finds out. > > > > [...] > > > To that end I'm cross-posting this to -questions, where Mr Barbish has > > also posted about his proposed "rewrite" of Chapter 16 of the Handbook, > > which is nothing but a huge and poorly written manual for 'the qjail > > way', with its peculiar assumptions and unique "jailcell" terminology. > > "Fourth Generation", no less! > > > > +1 > > Thank you Ian for cross-posting here. > > The first thing I did when I got the new chapter for review was search > for the work EzJail and I was curious as to why EzJail is not > mentioned anywhere in this new proposal and why it isn't mentioned in > the current handbook either under in section "16.5.2 High-Level > Administrative Tools in the FreeBSD Ports Collection". If there is > __any__ tool that should be mentioned in the jails chapter it is > EzJail because it's really easy to use and does a damn good job. Actually, ezjail has been explicitly mentioned in '16.6 Application of Jails' http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/jails-application.html since revision 30226 by danger, Mon May 28 20:02:46 2007 UTC, which section was just 6 weeks ago updated with a (preceding) similar port reference to qjail: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/doc?view=revision&revision=40900 [..] > NOW some things start to make sense to me, when I posted a problem > with EzJail here last year that very few people, if any, knew what I > was talking about. An how could they? if it's not mentioned anywhere > in the handbook or that jail man page(s). man pages aren't an appropriate place to recommend particular ports; there are others, and there will be more. The above are mentioned in the handbook page in the context of simpler alternatives to following the more detailed procedures presented to actually teach one how jail technology may be implemented, which - in my view - is the Good Stuff. There have been about 20 messages in freebsd-jail@ referring to ezjail this year so far before this thread, as in previous years; try browsing the archives from http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-jail/ OTOH, I've seen no prior posts in jail@ about qjail before this thread. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 22 13:15:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52BFE9A2 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:15:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x22a.google.com (mail-wi0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22a]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7524930 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:15:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f170.google.com with SMTP id hm11so8524669wib.5 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:15:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=ca6qDYPL7Zfk0jQW0ybvuuBX0Z4XQEHx8NTqXoW+dCQ=; b=WWt6DwYIy+MIyX2aP3KiuGXVJW8n5p6A9tumNsdNbVb0lIf+WwXLz10wLCYhaN8QgY D/nQXHktitGkZuovPZLBEe3jSxii/Vw1NHoya3MSnf4OcdbBTuObXSDDEjfe9NTMUT6F ksqOgnZgEcv6LvixNy6mfwlIh6N9NqIH6ikDr86ZL5bRY9ieRcjkTVfKQMCWVCDUgQG0 GVK56Tfq1JXBUMmJeBOUqigDGeJNSt4mBkcmG5M3YJSTuShRzNo+l8/Qwj2TNs55REyw WuUDyH4q7xWOjpF7KnLU+1/+NIlME4fxSDVXmFKQv2ZIu/dQf+lxV4IV7EUYg2+NjNAi eTbg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.80.35 with SMTP id o3mr11422865wix.9.1363958140180; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:15:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.115.135 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:15:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130322220317.A32142@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <1UHfYF-000LVV-4Y@internal.tormail.org> <5148980A.1070408@erdgeist.org> <20130321170556.Q32142@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <20130322220317.A32142@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 09:15:40 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Handbook Jail Chapter rewrite available for critique From: Alejandro Imass To: Ian Smith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnD9x7BxZODSh9C2jZ+F6bs7k/ePClbuoi6xKHXAa7GSwOc3zZTKXWsm7qWP3/dXzL/uQZl Cc: freebsd-jail@freebsd.org, Dirk Engling , FreeBSD Questions , sib@tormail.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:15:41 -0000 On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Ian Smith wrote: > On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:21:29 -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Ian Smith wrote: > > > On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 17:53:30 +0100, Dirk Engling wrote: > [...] >> mentioned anywhere in this new proposal and why it isn't mentioned in >> the current handbook either under in section "16.5.2 High-Level >> Administrative Tools in the FreeBSD Ports Collection". If there is >> __any__ tool that should be mentioned in the jails chapter it is [..] > Actually, ezjail has been explicitly mentioned in '16.6 Application of > Jails' http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/jails-application.html since > revision 30226 by danger, Mon May 28 20:02:46 2007 UTC, which section > was just 6 weeks ago updated with a (preceding) similar port reference > to qjail: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/doc?view=revision&revision=40900 > Never seen it before. First time I read about service jails it wasn't there. Further to my point doesn't it make more sense to mention them under "16.5.2 High-Level Administrative Tools in the FreeBSD Ports Collection" or in both places? [...] > > There have been about 20 messages in freebsd-jail@ referring to ezjail > this year so far before this thread, as in previous years; try browsing > the archives from http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-jail/ > I posted on the wrong list then ;-) Subscribing today, thanks! -- Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 22 13:51:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0191E1A for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:51:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.ballantine@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pb0-f46.google.com (mail-pb0-f46.google.com [209.85.160.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90361C47 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:51:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id uo15so3061356pbc.5 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:51:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=kDKt3gve6I7FMJjljelxAA/Ncg0/hFH2sth0lhMAQRk=; b=N05u9FUWe1k41jr81T6ggsr1UWytXvW31Kxd8zVaclsbqZqbNcmvtz9nUWzr7Ouwjv wY9KXQ+JrOhhTusdRVIc2yIitm3Ur+Dma/Z1DQ7MyQwrZWRvMuhdUHxfrlpVBzZfu2dO B1aBXd/7u2GloGzHgmByzbDWLjkLrT86nV2u9U86gdOJ1V6Js/cpHo8iMtzqSH8dGFWe 2mjgiktkdAo+MESN5q7gaSNm6rIOmI8xsZ6Z0XCzYnh0yX9JonVWyJGoCb6QXNWnzLNU EgmEztko4DbblVsWQMExXvd0sSkiLBS0CmUK5g2FhGBk6ZBUh1/B/4Ldml69kQ70nbVi AumQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.232.162 with SMTP id tp2mr2668052pbc.192.1363960266099; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.15.99 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:51:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <514C49FD.90700@ShaneWare.Biz> References: <514C49FD.90700@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 09:51:06 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Installing openssl from ports From: Jim Ballantine To: Shane Ambler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:51:12 -0000 The port is newer than the base version: port is 1.0.1_8 and the base is 0.9.2 Both openssl and heimdal install fine from the base system src, it's only when I try to install openssl from the ports, with heimdal installed by the base system that I get the error. When I run make install, what I get before the conflict message is: ===> Compressing manual pages for openssl-1.0.1_8zopenssl-1.0.1_8 ===> Running ldconfig /sbin/ldconfig -m /usr/local/lib Installing openssl-1.0.1_8...pkg: openssl-1.0.1_8 conflicts with heimdal-1.5.2_4 (installs files into the same place). Problematic files: /usr/local/man/man3/DH_generate_key.3.gz *** [fale-pkg] Error code 70 On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Shane Ambler wrote: > On 22/03/2013 04:36, Jim Ballantine wrote: > > But when I attempt to install the latest openssl for the >> port system, it fails with a conflict (installs file in the same place) >> with heimdal. >> > > Take a close look at the message and what happens before. openssl only > gives a conflict message if the base version is newer than the port. > > Heimdal conflicts with krb4 krb5 and srp > > Any other conflicts will be from dependencies, you'll need to check what > port brings in a dependency that generates the conflict. > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 22 14:26:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5810BE8F for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:26:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C6EF11 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.news4all.se (usenet4all.se [82.182.32.53]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r2MEPpT2093785; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 15:25:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <514C69D2.1040409@bananmonarki.se> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 15:25:22 +0100 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130301 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: No sound with Thinkpad X60 References: <20130314225908.GA2157@thinkpad.piggybox> <20130315232827.GA2189@thinkpad.piggybox> <20130321234229.GA2205@thinkpad.piggybox> <514BEC19.2060802@bananmonarki.se> <20130322073106.10ab6e89@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20130322073106.10ab6e89@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jerry X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:26:01 -0000 2013-03-22 12:31, Jerry skrev: > On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:28:57 +0100 > Bernt Hansson articulated: > >> 2013-03-22 00:42, Peter Harrison skrev: >> >> Put this in your /boot/loader.conf and report back. >> >> hw.snd.default_unit="0" >> >> Test with other nubers if 0 do not work. > > Using an nVidia card, I had to do the following: > > /etc/sysctl.conf > hw.snd.default_unit=4 > > Rebooted and the sound worked. I never found any truly accurate > information on it, it was basically just a trail and error experiment. > And YES, it sucks that in all to many cases, sound doesn't "just work". > If it "just work" there is no fun. Tinkering and using a braincell, or at the most two is much more rewarding. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 22 14:33:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FFC0261 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:33:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mla_strick@att.net) Received: from nm30-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm30-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.86]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1657AFBC for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:33:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [66.94.237.192] by nm30.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2013 14:33:39 -0000 Received: from [68.142.198.106] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2013 14:33:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2013 14:33:39 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1363962819; bh=WQlFX5uyqdRLoXQUhPsZ5XcCNBy+9X6LZt8E+ecNGo0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Rocket-Received:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:From:Received:To:Subject:Cc:Message-Id:Date; b=ULCw52ffa3sC4kF4fnzYV+tzkB5fUJ9zpUGuthZSGHyrVNy5PJ57z/ZqNzmPy65WMpkRCJUwiEuaHOKwIP9CyFVz5BuJgCiCnxBa6+9fMBBkIrttJP/rNNtC6oU2p8RbfSGRz3uR2A0GjAg3Yeonh6tJ5Vx5ouCVRFtaYD323GQ= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 42668.818.bm@smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Rocket-Received: from mist.localdomain (mla_strick@69.228.93.144 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2013 07:33:38 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 3jQxztIVM1nArzM1nqKnManhrwX6qoDA7OBeLTl5POTtPG0 2mraCJu.PSExbNzYZG1oTHT_8gTdEdhZEx_skaRUaKgEX1vws_Z0JMCgxUs6 0HR.seAP1t.vseySsNrDi1F62Tlyo7Ar0eAdVbqYGzuRUBCEXUFj9wExp5Mu 5Jv.2lDGEbxZVCd5BrwvjlicM5S0zeABJfgWgKPSqDMK2JpV3PH0y9BmqKA3 h6lwrzCa72PZOU7nr_TqYOFiBTl3WXWixKMcf2GPTlRQB0TX6.EJ0yZlsdt0 K0x16B0GDFd.NiuXf0WFEZprXItotXuIYyDkhu9cI7OHA_UM0mLYTn0UIFTf qinqxGHUgAYabrZphJxxTHdl4z1hb4pURgEzl8TuimIB_KpXgc.t9kv7rSZ4 bwN01T8jDpn_LyUBoZ_XReh5qEpfgc2dHsNKvrwS8mHABMZKblrAQUrf06M8 uqnG20r2ko1m364VEBZhAr1ENbR1m X-Yahoo-SMTP: ppEzeiKswBBq7wHVNDEiPbPsAwzyGELyRI8IdiDYGqsxaD5uQA-- From: mla_strick@att.net Received: by mist.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 5263) id 36D368634; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:33:38 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Is fdisk broken? Message-Id: <20130322143338.36D368634@mist.localdomain> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:33:49 -0000 I recently bought a 4 TB usb disk drive and discovered that it reported a sector size of 4096 bytes instead of the traditional 512 bytes. This is apparently necessary because there may be a 32 bit sector number field somewhere in the usb mass storage protocols. It turns out that disk drive manufacturers have been producing disks with large sector sizes for some years now. The feature goes by the name "Advanced Format" and other things. Look it up in Wikipedia. FreeBSD seems to use the sector size information when interpreting MBR partition offsets and sizes. Unfortunately, when I try to use fdisk to print out the partition table on my new disk drive, fdisk just says "fdisk: could not detect sector size". Otherwise the MBR partition table seems to work correctly and newfs seems to have done the right thing. (It made the file system fragment size a multiple of the sector size and I am not getting any weird error messages out of the disk driver.) It would be nice if fdisk also worked. I do have to share the disk with other operating systems that might not understand other partition table schemes. Is may analysis of what is going on essentially correct? Can fdisk be made happy again? (At least for a few more years?) Dan Strick (mla_strick@att.net) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 22 14:45:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DA3689 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:45:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-ob0-x232.google.com (mail-ob0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5336B162 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:45:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f178.google.com with SMTP id wd20so4051376obb.37 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:45:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=MUKgu28sUbtHtDjYYh4ce3taH/qMbsnx+HXRWQoDJxs=; b=d1bIhSaW/wsLSZF3DvItcXkwb5Mgu8TdWqiU25fT+F1tPV7WXIa9igxXVVg/lecLJe foX8ckSVwljDI3Od9h6RSLq0sYNO5g7+wU+gXlBy+T8Q6h85rBWRPlGwK2cBK0l7QMRd IaSEoqfMh9X6R0oNrv4bUHLrd5UEKHjn4L/Dv+YY8UdUjS4lXSOcdMIpK5hQ2btwJwnG +Oz/5JW0XmZAcGgg77f8Mq260W9I3PenBaTxtFsd05GIqTZMl0xb1mSNO4OjNPIFEGxG mYoyfKY1mkznAh/Pv7iHJQzsksegJBoMZ85oybkWyR/8gKcvv/nzj5QRI+MPI/+zBPfi z/UA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.21.104 with SMTP id u8mr1969715oee.99.1363963533800; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.20.34 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:45:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130322143338.36D368634@mist.localdomain> References: <20130322143338.36D368634@mist.localdomain> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:45:33 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Is fdisk broken? From: Michael Sierchio To: mla_strick@att.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk2US52nwsBq7fcAZoiC+wImnn28QKpubiwZe7H3KeGjCbJz2GrWvsGdcYSIxXulqsj9feH Cc: freebsd-bugs@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:45:34 -0000 On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 7:33 AM, wrote: > Can fdisk be made happy again? (At least for a few more years?) The short answer is: no. Fdisk comes from a world where even 1G drives were not yet on the horizon. Use gpart. The long answer is readily available in the forums - google is your friend. - M From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 22 16:30:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48AEAFED for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 16:30:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225C8B61 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 16:30:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.41]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84BC833C1D for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id AADBF39841; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:30:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: No sound with Thinkpad X60 References: <20130314225908.GA2157@thinkpad.piggybox> <20130315232827.GA2189@thinkpad.piggybox> <20130321234229.GA2205@thinkpad.piggybox> <514BEC19.2060802@bananmonarki.se> <20130322073106.10ab6e89@scorpio> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:30:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20130322073106.10ab6e89@scorpio> (jerry@seibercom.net's message of "Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:31:06 -0400") Message-ID: <444ng3qtw2.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 16:30:51 -0000 Jerry writes: > On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:28:57 +0100 > Bernt Hansson articulated: > >> 2013-03-22 00:42, Peter Harrison skrev: >> >> Put this in your /boot/loader.conf and report back. >> >> hw.snd.default_unit="0" >> >> Test with other nubers if 0 do not work. > > Using an nVidia card, I had to do the following: > > /etc/sysctl.conf > hw.snd.default_unit=4 > > Rebooted and the sound worked. I never found any truly accurate > information on it, it was basically just a trail and error experiment. > And YES, it sucks that in all to many cases, sound doesn't "just work". You don't actually need to reboot for each trial. Running sysctl(8) from the command line will do. And /dev/sndstat would probably tell you the right value to try. These things are covered in the Handbook.. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 22 16:51:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9824B75B; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 16:51:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brde@optusnet.com.au) Received: from mail35.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail35.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B753DF5; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 16:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c211-30-173-106.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au (c211-30-173-106.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.30.173.106]) by mail35.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r2MGpF3E025696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 23 Mar 2013 03:51:16 +1100 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 03:51:14 +1100 (EST) From: Bruce Evans X-X-Sender: bde@besplex.bde.org To: mla_strick@att.net Subject: Re: Is fdisk broken? In-Reply-To: <20130322143338.36D368634@mist.localdomain> Message-ID: <20130323031855.K1757@besplex.bde.org> References: <20130322143338.36D368634@mist.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Optus-CM-Score: 0 X-Optus-CM-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=de/YRgre c=1 sm=1 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=PO7r1zJSAAAA:8 a=JzwRw_2MAAAA:8 a=x-BxpK3xWg8A:10 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=G6uhvWfvEAMJvSA3Q3AA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=TEtd8y5WR3g2ypngnwZWYw==:117 Cc: freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 16:51:27 -0000 On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 mla_strick@att.net wrote: > I recently bought a 4 TB usb disk drive and discovered that it reported > a sector size of 4096 bytes instead of the traditional 512 bytes. This > is apparently necessary because there may be a 32 bit sector number field > somewhere in the usb mass storage protocols. It turns out that disk > drive manufacturers have been producing disks with large sector sizes > for some years now. The feature goes by the name "Advanced Format" and > other things. Look it up in Wikipedia. > > FreeBSD seems to use the sector size information when interpreting MBR > partition offsets and sizes. Unfortunately, when I try to use fdisk to > print out the partition table on my new disk drive, fdisk just says > "fdisk: could not detect sector size". It has the following gratuitous breakage at 2K for its probe of the sector size: #define MAX_SEC_SIZE 2048 /* maximum section size that is supported */ ^^^^ #define MIN_SEC_SIZE 512 /* the sector size to start sensing at */ I used 64K for the probe maximum limit when I fixed fsck_msdosfs (fsck_msdosfs doesn't has a probe and only supports sector sizes of 512 in -current). Most file systems in FreeBSD have gratuitous limits on the size in their probe for there superblock, but the limit is mostly larger than 4K. Most of them don't need to know the sector size and don't have a probe, but they read a fixed size that is larger than their superblock size, so they fail if this size is smaller than the the sector size. > Otherwise the MBR partition > table seems to work correctly and newfs seems to have done the right > thing. (It made the file system fragment size a multiple of the sector > size and I am not getting any weird error messages out of the disk > driver.) It would be nice if fdisk also worked. I do have to share > the disk with other operating systems that might not understand other > partition table schemes. > > Is may analysis of what is going on essentially correct? > Can fdisk be made happy again? (At least for a few more years?) Changing the above should fix fdisk for FreeBSD. A sector size of 4K gives a limit of 16TB for the partition table data structure, which is enough for a few more years with single disks. After that, double the sector size to 8K to work for another year or two. However, to share the disk you need all the other operating systems and BIOS to agree that _this_ partition table scheme (with units of 4K sectors) is what the partition table records. Bruce From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 22 19:53:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737FCA37 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 19:53:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivan1709@netzero.net) Received: from outbound-mail03.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail03.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 247EC123 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 19:53:50 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=netzero.net; s=alpha; t=1363982026; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=c76rZNcnDcFNV/Ybo/wYKvzZzYlqkjxpzZlUMqAheURS/+Lbvu/Way1mBXukZJpHA UpJ7CbI3gUnU8AUn0zWUL3FDMplb2OFF1YCD1Zwjg0HXRuj68k8yCZy/wV+Q0SR2Ob OrYto2xR35DABxlc5nfW3cd1EMgr5/Inzi5RRJVA= X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail03.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.143]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABJW3PWVAVRDVNJ for (sender ); Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [50.123.107.204] by webmail03.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 19:51:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [50.123.107.204] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "ivan1709@netzero.net" Full-Name: "ivan1709@netzero.net" Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 19:51:49 GMT To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: trying freeBSD 9.1 w/o installing X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20130322.125149.14243.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> X-UNTD-BodySize: 696 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:4274177362 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: ZbzR5zXrxv6+LdtBnoPUJEsSy7I2rUsaV08J92b0A5RDUZtb3B1Png== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.143|webmail03.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|ivan1709@netzero.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 19:53:51 -0000 HelloIn command-line form, the disk which i received in linuxpro magazin= e is asking for a login and password, please assist.ThanksSteve ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 53/YO Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/514cb693e7ed036930196st02duc= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 22 21:16:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B358572 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 21:16:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2DFA22 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 21:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UJ9KW-000862-Jw for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 22:16:52 +0100 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 22:16:52 +0100 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 22:16:52 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Subject: Re: trying freeBSD 9.1 w/o installing Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 21:16:16 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: <20130322.125149.14243.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.139 (Sexual Chocolate; GIT bf56508 git://git.gnome.org/pan2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 21:16:41 -0000 On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 19:51:49 +0000, ivan1709@netzero.net wrote: > HelloIn command-line form, the disk which i received in linuxpro > magazine is asking for a login and password, please assist.ThanksSteve If it's a live CD, username is root. Password is not required. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 22 21:37:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA07AE8F for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 21:37:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa09-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93628BDA for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 21:37:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from tao.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by p3plsmtpa09-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id ElcG1l0074XeM0101lcGg1; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:36:16 -0700 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:36:15 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: mutt and http//url??? Message-ID: <20130322213615.GA23467@tao.thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 21:37:53 -0000 guys, ==many== yeears ago when i was running Only FBSD, I asked this list how i could use mutt when somebody included an http://url.com; and i got replies that worked. --sseems like the url string got moved to the end and clicking on the string exec'd firefox. in the past couple years i've sub'd to the nytimes and other places where the http string is several dozens of bytes. in my mutt at least, there are "+" marks embedded at the beginning of each new lines. so that when i mouse lick on the url, i almost invariably get either Nothing from my browswer, or the wrong page. i've googled for days. zero. im finally asking the top list on the web. can anybody clue me in? i'm using linux/gnome/mutt. but it shouldnt make any difference. [?!] tia, everybody, gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 23 00:20:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD2D2EE for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 00:20:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597CDDF6 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 00:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-88-89.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.88.89]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C40C3CADD; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 01:20:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r2N0KIxw002004; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 01:20:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 01:20:18 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Subject: Re: mutt and http//url??? Message-Id: <20130323012018.3aa0235b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20130322213615.GA23467@tao.thought.org> References: <20130322213615.GA23467@tao.thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 00:20:14 -0000 On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:36:15 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > in the past couple years i've sub'd to the nytimes and other places > where the http string is several dozens of bytes. in my mutt > at least, there are "+" marks embedded at the beginning of each > new lines. so that when i mouse lick on the url, i almost > invariably get either Nothing from my browswer, or the wrong > page. That's to be expected. A URL covering several lines _can_ be copied (selected) when the line wrap is "uninterrupted". It will even work for double- or triple-click (select word, select line) with the normal edit buffer (left swipe to select, in Firefox middle click or mousewheel press to go to URL). As the '+' character will be part of the wrapped URL (which can span several lines), the URL will be wrong, as you've seen. > i've googled for days. zero. im finally asking the top list > on the web. can anybody clue me in? i'm using linux/gnome/mutt. > but it shouldnt make any difference. [?!] If I remember correctly, there's a way to disable the line break emphasizer ('+' character) in the display. Have you tried set markers=no in your ~/.muttrc? Or was it unset markers Something with "markers"... I'm not fully sure if this is the setting you're searching for, but go ahead and try it. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 23 00:40:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192B9BF5 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 00:40:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vogelke@hcst.net) Received: from beta.hcst.com (beta.hcst.com [192.52.183.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4A2FD0 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 00:40:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from beta.hcst.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beta.hcst.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r2N0dfLC017439 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 20:39:41 -0400 Received: (from vogelke@localhost) by beta.hcst.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id r2N0deF1017438; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 20:39:40 -0400 Received: by kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil (Postfix, from userid 32768) id C53EBBF82; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 20:39:07 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <20130322213615.GA23467@tao.thought.org> (message from Gary Kline on Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:36:15 -0700) Subject: Re: mutt and http//url??? Organization: Array Infotech X-Disclaimer: I don't speak for the USAF or Array Infotech. X-GPG-ID: 1024D/711752A0 2006-06-27 Karl Vogel X-GPG-Fingerprint: 56EB 6DBF 4224 C953 F417 CC99 4C7C 7D46 7117 52A0 References: <20130322213615.GA23467@tao.thought.org> Message-Id: <20130323003907.C53EBBF82@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 20:39:07 -0400 (EDT) From: vogelke+unix@pobox.com (Karl Vogel) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: vogelke+unix@pobox.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 00:40:27 -0000 >> On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:36:15 -0700, >> Gary Kline said: G> in the past couple years i've sub'd to the nytimes and other places G> where the http string is several dozens of bytes. in my mutt at least, G> there are "+" marks embedded at the beginning of each new lines. so G> that when i mouse lick on the url, Don't lick your mouse. That's gross. G> i almost invariably get either Nothing from my browswer, or the wrong G> page. You might want to try urlview, bound to Ctrl-B in mutt by default. It's a screen-oriented program for extracting URLs from text files, putting them in a menu, and letting you run a command to view a specific item. If you're on a FreeBSD system, it's in /usr/ports/textproc/urlview. -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company Oh, to be only half as wonderful as my child thought I was when he was small, and only half as stupid as my teenager now thinks I am. --Rebecca Richards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 23 01:20:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C5A900 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 01:20:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.236]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86983DE for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 01:20:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from tao.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id EpJx1l0014XeM0101pJxXH; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 18:18:58 -0700 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 18:18:55 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Subject: Re: mutt and http//url??? Message-ID: <20130323011855.GA1983@tao.thought.org> References: <20130322213615.GA23467@tao.thought.org> <20130323012018.3aa0235b.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20130323012018.3aa0235b.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 01:20:34 -0000 On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 01:20:18AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:36:15 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > in the past couple years i've sub'd to the nytimes and other places > > where the http string is several dozens of bytes. in my mutt > > at least, there are "+" marks embedded at the beginning of each > > new lines. so that when i mouse lick on the url, i almost > > invariably get either Nothing from my browswer, or the wrong > > page. > > That's to be expected. A URL covering several lines _can_ be > copied (selected) when the line wrap is "uninterrupted". It > will even work for double- or triple-click (select word, select > line) with the normal edit buffer (left swipe to select, in > Firefox middle click or mousewheel press to go to URL). As the > '+' character will be part of the wrapped URL (which can span > several lines), the URL will be wrong, as you've seen. > > > > > i've googled for days. zero. im finally asking the top list > > on the web. can anybody clue me in? i'm using linux/gnome/mutt. > > but it shouldnt make any difference. [?!] > > If I remember correctly, there's a way to disable the line break > emphasizer ('+' character) in the display. Have you tried > > set markers=no > > in your ~/.muttrc? Or was it > > unset markers > > Something with "markers"... I'm not fully sure if this is the > setting you're searching for, but go ahead and try it. > theres a 'set markers' that defaults to yes. I edited it to no and, presto, no mo' '+' in the url strings. ---how you ever remembered the variable 'markers' is beyound me, but yup. anyway, with my konsole at std size, ~37x80, I moused dead-on the http string. same as before: the string showed up from the 'http://.....' to the eol. and when I clicked, I got garbage. wait, there's more. I blew up the konsole until it filled the entire screen. [i did this once before and got the right page.] it still worked. no '+' line break, but still. it's a bear to have to enlage the xterm/konsole just to read some mail, but it works with the two embedded urls that I've tried so far. why? dunno. > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 23 01:41:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A10E5FDE for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 01:41:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F537EE for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 01:41:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from tao.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id EpgJ1l0094XeM0101pgJgP; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 18:40:19 -0700 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 18:40:16 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Karl Vogel Subject: Re: mutt and http//url??? Message-ID: <20130323014016.GB1983@tao.thought.org> References: <20130322213615.GA23467@tao.thought.org> <20130323003907.C53EBBF82@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20130323003907.C53EBBF82@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 01:41:56 -0000 On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 08:39:07PM -0400, Karl Vogel wrote: > >> On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:36:15 -0700, > >> Gary Kline said: > > G> in the past couple years i've sub'd to the nytimes and other places > G> where the http string is several dozens of bytes. in my mutt at least, > G> there are "+" marks embedded at the beginning of each new lines. so > G> that when i mouse lick on the url, > > Don't lick your mouse. That's gross. but it was so tasty! 'specially with chocolatte syrup. > G> i almost invariably get either Nothing from my browswer, or the wrong > G> page. > > You might want to try urlview, bound to Ctrl-B in mutt by default. It's a > screen-oriented program for extracting URLs from text files, putting > them in a menu, and letting you run a command to view a specific item. > > If you're on a FreeBSD system, it's in /usr/ports/textproc/urlview. this was one of the things I tried. I followed the instructions exactly--with urlview and ^B. eventually I wound up with the list but it was hard to decide which was the text! maybe leave o ne konsole wide open on my 4th workspace > -- > Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company > > Oh, to be only half as wonderful as my child thought I was when he was small, > and only half as stupid as my teenager now thinks I am. --Rebecca Richards > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 23 02:04:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A49B739 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 02:04:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C1A8EA for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 02:04:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-88-89.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.88.89]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008983D03C; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 03:04:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r2N24E78002459; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 03:04:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 03:04:14 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Subject: Re: mutt and http//url??? Message-Id: <20130323030414.31cf0995.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20130323011855.GA1983@tao.thought.org> References: <20130322213615.GA23467@tao.thought.org> <20130323012018.3aa0235b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20130323011855.GA1983@tao.thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 02:04:11 -0000 On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 18:18:55 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > anyway, with my konsole at std size, ~37x80, I moused dead-on > the http string. same as before: the string showed up from the > 'http://.....' to the eol. and when I clicked, I got garbage. The only way I tried (and confirmed) to deal with this particular problem is to make the "select URL" process a bit more complex (in terms of steps involed): Use a triple-click to select the whole (multi-line) URL, OR select it manually. Doing so with a held-down left mouse button will transfer the selected text into the edit buffer. In this specific case where the '+' characters have been eliminated, the line breaks will also _not_ be part of the edit buffer content. I've tried this by selecting a multi-line URL in a normal X terminal (xterm) and pasting it to a GUI text editor - result: one line, as intended. Now if I do a middle-click in the web browser (Opera in my case), it will navigate to that URL in the current tab (or open a new tab for it if I click on an empty space on the tab bar). The same concept applies to Firefox, but you need to have one instance of it started. Click the middle mouse button (or if you don't have one, press down the mouse wheel). Now Firefox will receive the full URL and go to that web page. However, this is, as you see, a bit more complicated. You can still try it and verify if it will work in your setting. > wait, there's more. I blew up the konsole until it filled the > entire screen. [i did this once before and got the right page.] > it still worked. no '+' line break, but still. That's an interesting workaround, but also makes things unneccessarily complicated. An intermediate solution could be to maximize the whole terminal application and use virtual desktops (workspaces) to switch between MUA and web browser. Still that's suboptimum. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 23 05:17:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F6FA43 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 05:17:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F6D157 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 05:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id r2N5Hh5E037714; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 16:17:43 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 16:17:43 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Fbsd8 Subject: Re: Handbook Jail Chapter rewrite available for critique (fwd) Message-ID: <20130323153728.Y32142@sola.nimnet.asn.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 05:17:54 -0000 Joe, your mailer dropped -questions from the ccs on your response. Fixed, Ian ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 18:12:18 -0400 From: Fbsd8 To: freebsd-jail@freebsd.org Cc: Ian Smith , Dirk Engling Subject: Re: Handbook Jail Chapter rewrite available for critique Ian Smith wrote: > On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 17:53:30 +0100, Dirk Engling wrote: > > On 18.03.13 20:16, sib@tormail.org wrote: > > > > to configure things themselves. In my experience, ezjail is a much > better > > > solution. I also see that you are the maintainer/author of qjail and like > > > to shovel your opinion as the only solution, both in this "rewrite" and > > > all over the FreeBSD forums. > > > Taking a look at the qjail code I can not help to notice several odd > > similarities with the ezjail-admin script, down to the very basic bail > > out routines. I would not go so far to claim it was just a global > > search/replace job but to me the code looks familiar enough to find the > > > # Copyright 2010, Qjail project. All rights reserved. > > > offensive. I am usually quite open with the license of my software, > > beerware is as permissive as it gets. I just can not take some script > > kiddie right out copying my code verbatim and selling it as his, not > > even acknowledging me as the original author. > > > Anyone here with suggestions how to properly react to this kind of > "fork"? > > Yes. Publicity. Making sure the FreeBSD community gets to finds out. > > You may be polite and un-selfserving enough to not go so far Dirk, but I will. > Huge swathes of qjail are direct copies of your code, in most cases only with > the names of the variables changed from ezjail_* to qjail_*. I found it cute > renaming 'flavour' to the American spelling. > > Anyone looking at bin/qjail from qjail-2.1.tbz alongside the latest > ezjail-admin (mine downloaded from your cvsweb) cannot fail to notice > within the first couple of screens. Sure there are changes, additions and > deletions, but to fail to acknowledge the original authorship of this code, > and the implication that Joe Barbish (aka 'Qjail project') is its original > author is entirely outrageous; not ethical, even if legal. > > To that end I'm cross-posting this to -questions, where Mr Barbish has also > posted about his proposed "rewrite" of Chapter 16 of the Handbook, which is > nothing but a huge and poorly written manual for 'the qjail way', with its > peculiar assumptions and unique "jailcell" terminology. "Fourth Generation", > no less! > > The idea that the "doc gang" would entertain the idea of removing all of the > worthy content of the present Chapter 16 - even if it does need some updating > - and replace it with this effort is laughable, yet stranger things have > happened if there's any disconnect between developers and documenters .. > witness the Handbook firewalls section, by Joe Barbish. > > cheers, Ian > Boy this simple critique request sure has gotten out of hand. So lets set the record straight. On the subject ezjail not being referenced in the document like it is in the current version of the online handbook is just a writing content error. The document being critiqued is the first public draft. Pointing out over sights like not included ezjail in that section is the type of constructive feedback that is desired. Any inference it was done on purpose is just crazy. When it comes to the question of the handbook jail chapter needing updating, A member of the document team has already offered to partner up with me to get it added to the handbook as fast as possible. To me that means the document team is already aware the current handbook jail chapter is outdated and has just been waiting for someone to write a update which is just what I did. If you people have a beef with that, take it up with the document team not me. If any of you think you can do a better job then NOW is the time to step up or shut up. On the subject of qjail being a fork of ezjail, of course it is. Qjail was developed by the qjail project team who are a group of FreeBSD users who live around Angeles City, Philippines. Of the seven members 2 are foreigners living in the area, one American and one British. Our British member concluded that the author of ezjail must be British based solely on the spelling of the flavour directory. He also convinced us that his Beerware license was British humor, a joke, and should not be taken serous. In our review of other jail ports we did not see this Beerware license again or for that matter, see it in any of the 5000+ ports we looked at or use. So the group coincided to the British members view point as sound advice. If you inspect the qjail source, you should recognize the comments at the beginning as a copy of what is included in every FreeBSD config file. It was inserted in the front like they have. We though that was how you make software opensource which was the intention. There are no formal copyright documents; it's just a extrapolation from the FreeBSD comments. Maybe our local view of worldly subjects like this is not correct, so please forgive us and help use learn what the accepted viewpoint should be. I was chosen the project leader and public voice only because my English was the best among us. If the Freebsd comments section is not appropriate to include qjail under Freebsd opensource type of license, then we can change the comments to say "totally free to do as you wish as opensource" and leave it at that. If something else is needed, please inform what that is by private email. To continue this this subject in public is not appropriate. Please respect our wish in this matter. This is to Ian Smith, your tone and uncalled for content is very un-professional and borders on slander. In some circles it would label you as a flame war inciter and get you banned from the list. Best you read what you write before posting it so you can reconsider the tone of what you have written. Please present a more professional manner in your list post content. Thank you Ian for your attention to this matter in future posts to this list and any other Freebsd lists you may belong to. Joe From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 23 06:20:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD94E0E for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 06:20:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from smtp-out007b.alice-dsl.net (smtp-out007B.alice-dsl.net [88.44.63.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCACB2EF for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 06:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out.alice-dsl.de ([192.168.125.60]) by smtp-out007b.alice-dsl.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 23 Mar 2013 07:20:15 +0100 Received: from [85.182.24.158] ([85.182.24.158]) by out.alice-dsl.de over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 23 Mar 2013 07:20:11 +0100 Message-ID: <1364019611.4783.84.camel@archlinux> Subject: Don't replay to spam From: Ralf Mardorf To: FreeBSD Questions Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 07:20:11 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2013 06:20:11.0739 (UTC) FILETIME=[797CE2B0:01CE278E] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 06:20:59 -0000 The original "trying freeBSD 9.1 [...]" mail is spam, since the original message had a "signature" about face lifting or something like that. Take a look at http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2013-March/249992.html Once you visited the page from the link in the signature, you even can't leave this page. It's hard to train spam filters, if people reply to spam. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 23 08:42:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 037BB8CA for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 08:42:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net [IPv6:2001:44b8:8060:ff02:300:1:2:6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90516AE4 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 08:42:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ppp247-71.static.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([203.122.247.71]) by ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 23 Mar 2013 19:12:39 +1030 Message-ID: <514D6AFE.1030708@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 19:12:38 +1030 From: Shane Ambler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Ballantine Subject: security/heimdal generates openssl conflict [was - Re: Installing openssl from ports] References: <514C49FD.90700@ShaneWare.Biz> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 08:42:41 -0000 On 23/03/2013 00:21, Jim Ballantine wrote: > Both openssl and heimdal install fine from the base system src, it's > only when I try to install openssl from the ports, with heimdal > installed by the base system that I get the error. > > When I run make install, what I get before the conflict message is: > > ===> Compressing manual pages for openssl-1.0.1_8zopenssl-1.0.1_8 > ===> Running ldconfig /sbin/ldconfig -m /usr/local/lib Installing > openssl-1.0.1_8...pkg: openssl-1.0.1_8 conflicts with > heimdal-1.5.2_4 (installs files into the same place). Problematic > files: /usr/local/man/man3/DH_generate_key.3.gz > *** [fale-pkg] Error code 70 I'll make the subject a bit more descriptive and cc the heimdal maintainer. The error appears to be generated by pkg and would indicate that you have installed heimdal from ports. heimdal uses libcrypto from openssl and may have been installed as a dependency for another port. The base system doesn't install into /usr/local and pkg shouldn't monitor any files installed by the base system, so the conflict with /usr/local/man/man3/DH_generate_key.3.gz must be from the heimdal port. I just tried a compile of heimdal within tinderbox where I have set WITH_OPENSSL_PORT=true and the log for the heimdal indicates that it deletes man pages installed by security/openssl. So either heimdal installs a duplicate copy of the openssl man pages or it erroneously includes the man pages in it's package list generation. part of tinderbox log - ================================================================ ======================================== ===> Building package for heimdal-1.5.2_4 Deleting heimdal-1.5.2_4 ================================================================ === Checking filesystem state list of files present before this port was installed but missing after it was deinstalled) ./usr/local/man/man3/DES_cbc_cksum.3.gz missing ./usr/local/man/man3/DH_free.3.gz missing ./usr/local/man/man3/DH_generate_key.3.gz missing ./usr/local/man/man3/DH_get_default_method.3.gz missing ./usr/local/man/man3/RSA_new.3.gz missing ./usr/local/man/man3/RSA_new_method.3.gz missing ./usr/local/man/man3/RSA_set_method.3.gz missing Deleting sqlite3-3.7.14.1 Deleting openssl-1.0.1_8 pkg_delete: file '/usr/local/man/man3/DH_generate_key.3.gz' doesn't exist pkg_delete: file '/usr/local/man/man3/DH_new.3.gz' doesn't exist pkg_delete: file '/usr/local/man/man3/DH_set_method.3.gz' doesn't exist pkg_delete: file '/usr/local/man/man3/DES_set_odd_parity.3.gz' doesn't exist pkg_delete: file '/usr/local/man/man3/DES_string_to_key.3.gz' doesn't exist pkg_delete: couldn't entirely delete package `openssl-1.0.1_8' (perhaps the packing list is incorrectly specified?) Deleting libtool-2.4.2 Deleting libXt-1.1.1,1 Deleting db41-4.1.25_4 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 23 12:01:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A7E583 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:01:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sts@tp1.rub.de) Received: from mx5.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (mi.ruhr-uni-bochum.de [134.147.64.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 732FB1D3 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:01:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Queued: (qmail 26715 invoked by alias); 23 Mar 2013 11:54:56 -0000 X-Queued: (qmail 26691 invoked by uid 109); 23 Mar 2013 11:54:56 -0000 X-Qmailscanner: from 134.147.240.78 by mx5.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (envelope-from , uid 103) with qmail-scanner-2.01 (sophie: 3.05/3.37/4.83. Clear:RC:1(134.147.240.78):. Processed in 0.045863 secs); 23 Mar 2013 11:54:56 -0000 Received: from neo.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (134.147.240.78) by mx5.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de with SMTP; 23 Mar 2013 11:54:56 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (ip-178-201-62-251.unitymediagroup.de [178.201.62.251]) (authenticated bits=0) by neo.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r2NBsthY006576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:54:55 +0100 Message-ID: <514D98BF.7090202@tp1.rub.de> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:57:51 +0100 From: Stephan Schindel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130321 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Attaching GELI device on boot X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:01:38 -0000 Hey, i've got a problem attaching a geli device on boot. My setup: ada0 and ada1 full geli setup (no partition schemes). ZFS on both. ada0 is my root device. I can boot into the system there is no problem with it. But now I want to attach ada1 on boot as well using a single keyfile. My rc.conf looks like this: ... geli_autodetach="NO" geli_devices="ada1" geli_ada1_flags="-p -k /root/ada1.key" ... The problem is that geli does not want to attach the device at first. It claims about (missing?) metadata and inappropriate file format (I dont know where geli logs this). It tries to attach the device 3 times which is the default option with no success. BUT once the system is booted up and I can login, I can manually start /etc/rc.d/geli onestart and it will successfully attach the device. So configuration seems to be fine, only the order the services started seems to be wrong (e.g. devd is being started AFTER geli tries to attach the device, why??) Also there is a problem with sabnzbd which is being started before the network is set-up, which is wrong as well. Here is my full rc.conf: hostname="freebsd" ifconfig_nfe0="DHCP" # Set dumpdev to "AUTO" to enable crash dumps, "NO" to disable dumpdev="NO" devd_enable="YES" devfs_enable="YES" zfs_enable="YES" rpcbind_enable="YES" nfs_server_enable="YES" mountd_flags="-r" linux_enable="YES" dbus_enable="YES" hald_enable="YES" powerd_flags="-a adp" sshd_enable="YES" sabnzbd_user="sts" sabnzbd_group="sts" sabnzbd_conf_dir="/usr/home/sts/.sabnzbd" sabnzbd_enable="YES" geli_autodetach="NO" geli_devices="ada1" geli_ada1_flags="-p -k /root/ada1.key" I hope somebody can help me, Stephan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 23 15:15:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C928C43 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 15:15:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from four.harrisons@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x229.google.com (mail-wi0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB5F58ED for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 15:15:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f169.google.com with SMTP id c10so728106wiw.0 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 08:15:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:date:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=BtYqKForhbVA1XaBoAW0LEfdOTuaqB4X2ggWSNeU5OQ=; b=hx69ZW4b000oPMiykaaL7mFBMZxXYj5jSxXxQ+LpiEVP2n9ohHn3orXEsE0RxQlD0u qV0evkD3cWVr7DTeAoKmPLO2wbTCKQXZ3z7Mq2f5vvSPvTLFugPx2ix2cP1qJZcpsOhf xb3WEhK8dTJABYD9wZxYR7Ysn2I9XEegHVaAl9toksZe6nxxx/FaU+csEfKyrBJRD2Dw KHhoBufOdmtfDPclVgtQCJbGQNlodg/NaUd5+ATWmjwUhji06uXawUqkrVeoHBaFsAX5 UwZ2yglwJfi65p4lWxAOA8PiD6Z2YeukVfS69RAwjv6QuSoS4oMMLzB3tpRx3RD8FFT2 ittw== X-Received: by 10.194.119.68 with SMTP id ks4mr9111859wjb.3.1364051743822; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 08:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (client-86-25-235-147.mcr-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net. [86.25.235.147]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g4sm10480630wib.11.2013.03.23.08.15.41 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 23 Mar 2013 08:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by localhost (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 23 Mar 2013 16:24:42 +0000 From: Peter Harrison Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 16:24:42 +0000 To: Bernt Hansson Subject: Re: No sound with Thinkpad X60 Message-ID: <20130323162442.GA2173@thinkpad.piggybox> References: <20130314225908.GA2157@thinkpad.piggybox> <20130315232827.GA2189@thinkpad.piggybox> <20130321234229.GA2205@thinkpad.piggybox> <514BEC19.2060802@bananmonarki.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <514BEC19.2060802@bananmonarki.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Michael Ross , questions@freebsd.org, Peter Harrison X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 15:15:46 -0000 Friday, 22 March 2013 at 6:28:57 +0100, Bernt Hansson said: > 2013-03-22 00:42, Peter Harrison skrev: > > Put this in your /boot/loader.conf and report back. > > hw.snd.default_unit="0" > > Test with other nubers if 0 do not work. Thanks Bernt. Here's the relevant bit of rc.conf snddetect_enable="YES" mixer_enable="YES" and I have snd_hda_load="YES" in my loader.conf, so shouldn't need the sound_enable you suggested I think? I also have this in my device.hints: hint.hdac.0.cad0nid7.config="as=1" but I think that's a typo and there should be an extra period in there somewhere That said, I'm not going to change anything because all of a sudden and for no reason that I can figure out, it is now working. I have sound. Go figure. Thanks for your help. Peter Harrison. 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[86.25.235.147]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f1sm10567838wib.0.2013.03.23.08.17.13 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 23 Mar 2013 08:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by localhost (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 23 Mar 2013 16:26:14 +0000 From: Peter Harrison Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 16:26:14 +0000 To: Lowell Gilbert Subject: Re: No sound with Thinkpad X60 Message-ID: <20130323162614.GB2173@thinkpad.piggybox> References: <20130314225908.GA2157@thinkpad.piggybox> <20130315232827.GA2189@thinkpad.piggybox> <20130321234229.GA2205@thinkpad.piggybox> <514BEC19.2060802@bananmonarki.se> <20130322073106.10ab6e89@scorpio> <444ng3qtw2.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <444ng3qtw2.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 15:17:21 -0000 Friday, 22 March 2013 at 12:30:37 -0400, Lowell Gilbert said: > Jerry writes: > > > On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:28:57 +0100 > > Bernt Hansson articulated: > > > >> 2013-03-22 00:42, Peter Harrison skrev: > >> > >> Put this in your /boot/loader.conf and report back. > >> > >> hw.snd.default_unit="0" > >> > >> Test with other nubers if 0 do not work. > > > > Using an nVidia card, I had to do the following: > > > > /etc/sysctl.conf > > hw.snd.default_unit=4 > > > > Rebooted and the sound worked. I never found any truly accurate > > information on it, it was basically just a trail and error experiment. > > And YES, it sucks that in all to many cases, sound doesn't "just work". > > You don't actually need to reboot for each trial. Running sysctl(8) from > the command line will do. And /dev/sndstat would probably tell you the > right value to try. These things are covered in the Handbook.. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Indeed. I've been faffing around with various sysctl settings from the command line without rebooting. As I mentioned in a slightly earlier email though, it's working now - although I can't figure out why, it is. Thanks for your help. Peter Harrison. 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Start Here to Find It Fast!=99 ->= http://www.US-Webmasters.com/best-start-page/ $9.99 Domain Names -> http://domains.us-webmasters.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 23 21:39:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2ABEFB5 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 21:39:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cyberleo@cyberleo.net) Received: from paka.cyberleo.net (mtumishi.cyberleo.net [216.226.128.201]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D47ECAE6 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 21:39:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.16.44.4] (den.cyberleo.net [216.80.73.130]) by paka.cyberleo.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D37C8A138D; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <514DEE3D.7040705@cyberleo.net> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 13:02:37 -0500 From: CyberLeo Kitsana User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130228 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: Don't replay to spam References: <1364019611.4783.84.camel@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <1364019611.4783.84.camel@archlinux> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 21:39:25 -0000 On 03/23/2013 01:20 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > The original "trying freeBSD 9.1 [...]" mail is spam, since the original > message had a "signature" about face lifting or something like that. > > Take a look at > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2013-March/249992.html > > Once you visited the page from the link in the signature, you even can't > leave this page. > > It's hard to train spam filters, if people reply to spam. That spam sig appears to be NetZero appending advertisements to legitimate outgoing messages. I doubt the OP has much control over that behaviour; especially if that happens to be their ISP. -- Fuzzy love, -CyberLeo Technical Administrator CyberLeo.Net Webhosting http://www.CyberLeo.Net Furry Peace! - http://wwww.fur.com/peace/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 23 22:13:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C157495B for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 22:13:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@noos.larseighner.com) Received: from emailserver2.asdf456.com (emailserver2.asdf456.com [72.18.207.139]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 89B0ED3C for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 22:13:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14043 invoked by uid 0); 23 Mar 2013 22:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO noos.larseighner.com) (71.20.75.102) by emailserver2.asdf456.com with SMTP; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 15:06:30 -0700 Received: by noos.larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@noos.larseighner.com; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 23:10:07 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 23:10:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.larseighnerhome.com To: CyberLeo Kitsana Subject: Re: Don't replay to spam In-Reply-To: <514DEE3D.7040705@cyberleo.net> Message-ID: References: <1364019611.4783.84.camel@archlinux> <514DEE3D.7040705@cyberleo.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Ralf Mardorf , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 22:13:12 -0000 On Sat, 23 Mar 2013, CyberLeo Kitsana wrote: > On 03/23/2013 01:20 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> The original "trying freeBSD 9.1 [...]" mail is spam, since the original >> message had a "signature" about face lifting or something like that. >> >> Take a look at >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2013-March/249992.html >> >> Once you visited the page from the link in the signature, you even can't >> leave this page. >> >> It's hard to train spam filters, if people reply to spam. > > That spam sig appears to be NetZero appending advertisements to > legitimate outgoing messages. I doubt the OP has much control over that > behaviour; especially if that happens to be their ISP. > > I agree, but what the OP can do is use a proper sig which begins in the first column with a hyphen followed by another hyphen, a space, and a newline. That will not prevent the service provider from appending the ad, but it will make it possible for many (most? all?) mail readers to hide the sig (and everything after it) if the user so desires. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 23 22:50:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7309615B for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 22:50:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-x232.google.com (mail-ie0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AAF9F28 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 22:50:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f178.google.com with SMTP id bn7so3815511ieb.9 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 15:50:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type; bh=ef4bBf6q7IA34+j7GbvH1MYulbyxC9D3b71NFm5yBpA=; b=sc/rErhpRwrTOOvytp9hgyxg4IVhxD67kcj2Kuei6Fy8Lo+sAQZWVr3K68/c6a+nAF oja+otnNMpP7almQUB9/CLdpeWA5beOotfQobLB/3kapfCmbSn3zlsR4laeazGYxxl+t ddY6chn/PMKjybSGK9Kqt37Z+MIXtpnFKPHnvDMu+qyYlM3HmAb/cUgFOromsZqisV76 Klm/zRtyXlPCdl0nSf86QFosCnGFrOpRzD9dItTSigWU0L3qOd/VTH+fOO9a8+Ay8gVq pDm1dz4h6Pwyu+CP4+hKbwE+xIWIhMJNs6C46+EhYa83WxzMi5N/D/2sZ14JJiGpCNYr SGtg== X-Received: by 10.50.192.138 with SMTP id hg10mr7630753igc.95.1364079043961; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 15:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luna.wi.rr.com (CPE-65-30-199-101.wi.res.rr.com. [65.30.199.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i10sm13595912igz.9.2013.03.23.15.50.42 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 23 Mar 2013 15:50:42 -0700 (PDT) From: ajtiM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: skype Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 17:50:32 -0500 Message-ID: <10125981.V5ek5bpvjG@luna.wi.rr.com> User-Agent: KMail/4.9.5 (FreeBSD/9.1-RELEASE; KDE/4.9.5; i386; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 22:50:44 -0000 Hi! My system: FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE #0 r243826: Tue Dec 4 06:55:39 UTC 2012 root@obrian.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 and I use Skype 2.1.0.81 from ports. When I am using Skype, the conversation often (every 1-5 minutes) gets disconnected or better I hear but the other side doesn't hear me. I know that long time ago the line kern.hz="100" in loader.conf help me but it doesn't work anymore. I start using my Androind phone and I don't have any problem. The friend also talking with people from Europe and USA which they have Linux or Windows and it works. Thanks in advance... Mitja ---------- http://www.redbubble.com/people/lumiwa