From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 12 05:38:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED6AC69 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 05:38:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C805B68 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 05:38:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1665E346 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 07:37:54 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.96 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.96 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.596] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id d6cgTFM6VJQp for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 07:37:49 +0200 (CEST) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (c224-156-70-80.bjare.net [80.70.156.224]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 299B25E336 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 07:37:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <518F2AAA.3010208@eskk.nu> Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 07:37:46 +0200 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130504 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Can I avoid the display of pkg-messages in portmaster? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 05:38:01 -0000 I do some work on remote machines and sometimes I have a need to execute additional commands after for example a portmaster -a command. Normally I use the "&&" to separate commands but this does not work when portmaster displays pkg-messages. I cannot see in the portmaster manpage that there's a possibility to make the choice on displaying pkg-messages. Maybe a suggestion to further enhance portmaster in the future. To work around this I was thinking of maybe making a script that ran portmaster -a then a command to "press space" until one is sure that all messages has been displayed. On this I could need some help. My scripting skills are not that good. Thanks /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 12 06:39:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86BC58D4 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 06:39:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net [217.69.40.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3B9D91 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 06:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [31.186.37.179] (helo=smtp.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UbPwF-0003WT-7H; Sun, 12 May 2013 07:39:19 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.marelmo.com) by smtp.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1UbPwS-0002Pc-6W; Sun, 12 May 2013 06:39:32 +0000 Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 07:39:31 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: "Julian H. Stacey" Subject: Re: List Spam Filtering Message-Id: <20130512073931.c85d1a0b1639a79efc489df1@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <201305111744.r4BHik5Y069562@fire.js.berklix.net> References: <20130511170944.20e6037204c186923a385d7e@sohara.org> <201305111744.r4BHik5Y069562@fire.js.berklix.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.24.17; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 15567@permanet.ie (plain) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 06:39:36 -0000 On Sat, 11 May 2013 19:44:46 +0200 "Julian H. Stacey" wrote: > Hi, > "Steve O'Hara-Smith" wrote: > > On Thu, 09 May 2013 02:26:26 +0200 > > "Julian H. Stacey" wrote: > > > > > If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only: > > > - List could silently discard such spam. > > > - Postmaster@ (& webmaster@ weeding web archives) would have less > > > work. > > > - Less individual need to select spam phrases to copy to personal > > > filters (& less time searching WTF dialect American above meant in > > > English ;-). > > > > The downside is that it would require people to subscribe in > > order to ask a question, > > True. I suggest the up side outweighs the down side though. From the point of view of subscribers perhaps, however from the point of view of users who don't wish to subscribe in order to ask a single question it is the other way round. > > this is also the reason for the convention of using > > "Reply to all" in FreeBSD mailing lists. It's been a convention for a > > *long* time, at least since FreeBSD 1.1 was shiny and new in 1993. > > I'm not intending to question or suggest any change re CC behaviour. > (Maybe you mis-read or mis-infered what I intended, Not at all, just pointing out that the two things have a common reason in the FreeBSD lists. Personally I doubt that either will change any time soon. > or maybe I mis-wrote, or mis-implied, whatever, please forget that bit, > though as background I'd observe: > Questions@ didn't exist for quite a while after FreeBSD started, > Hackers@ & some others preceded it. A good many others indeed - but all the "user" lists have always had the same conventions. > Various people prune CC when they get littered with too many CC. ) True enough - and occasionally this loses the unsubscribed OP. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 12 09:01:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2751EBC for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 09:01:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.236]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B896F13D for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 09:01:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id ax051l0084XeM0101x05BY; Sun, 12 May 2013 02:00:06 -0700 Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 02:00:05 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: OT, i think... Message-ID: <20130512090004.GA18013@ethic.thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 09:01:44 -0000 guys, if goog had their browser from BSD it would help big-time; I use one of the zillions of linux distros for my desktop. I dont have a bleeding edge cell. just something to call the cops or "access" [ small bus with wchair lift.] only have one hand, so cant easily hold cell and "type" blah * 3. SO, the upshot is, since I use firefox mostly, and chrome, rarely, I got a bit befuddled tonight trying to read an old philosopher's translation on chrome. I got to fess-up. reading on the screen is vastly easier than getting out a REAL book and paperweights, and taking off my eyeglasses, &C! tonight, I figured out howto enlarge the font and bring up the book. --i read "the prince" by nick whatever. this on google's browser. it took awhile before I realized that I wasnt hearing the words! yes, the speaker in the circle [[upper right]] read aloud and I could glean that much more by reading with eyes and ears. ===but=== is there some magic I ca n use to do an "All", and then fire off the text-to-voice? [[[the following is interesting only if you're into art schopenhauer. his works were not correctly xlated until {i think} 1954. I bought the p'back of his *Parerga and Paralipomena: A Collection of Philosophical Essays*. I never read it. google has it, and I suppose I could cough pup $whatever. but only if they got their tts stuff working without me having to mouse 600+ pages or whatever it requires. ]]] anybody know howto make this All menu cmd work in chrome? in ffox, it's a simple edit->control-A thanks much, gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 12 09:14:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB7D17A for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 09:14:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from flat.berklix.org (flat.berklix.org [83.236.223.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0CA1B2 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 09:14:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DCBE93E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.203.233.62]) (authenticated bits=128) by flat.berklix.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r4C9ERe8083572; Sun, 12 May 2013 11:14:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r4C9E8W0008416; Sun, 12 May 2013 11:14:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r4C9Dr1P097787; Sun, 12 May 2013 11:13:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201305120913.r4C9Dr1P097787@fire.js.berklix.net> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: compatibility SCO (fwd) From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/cv/ Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 11:13:53 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: grillo X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 09:14:31 -0000 Hi, cc questions@ was dropped so restoring Forwarded from: "Julian Stacey" http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/ ------- Forwarded Message >From grillo@goldnet.it Sun May 12 09:15:13 2013 Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 09:12:53 +0200 From: grillo To: "Julian H. Stacey" Subject: Re: compatibility SCO In-Reply-To: <201305112344.r4BNiMxD072779@fire.js.berklix.net> References: <201305112344.r4BNiMxD072779@fire.js.berklix.net> On Sun, 12 May 2013 01:44:22 +0200, "Julian H. Stacey" wrote: > grillo wrote: >> I need use Microsoft Cobol Compiler and runtime developed for >> Xenix/Unix system V SCO using NETBSD or FreeBSD, it is possible? have >> binary compatibility ? environment compatibility ? >> thank you > > A long time since I looked at this, but as no one else answered yet, > hints to look for, & maybe somebody'll correct it & post more useful info ;-) > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/linuxemu.html > > & kernel options > options "IBCS2" /* SCO a.out emulation */ > options SYSVSHM # SYSV-style shared memory /*for X11R6 */ > options SYSVMSG # SYSV-style message queues > options SYSVSEM # SYSV-style semaphores > > I recall when I last did cross OS work way back I needed a > raft of include files & libs & custom or special version of ar etc. > Which brings up questions of Copyright, depending what you'r doing > (I'm not asking, your business & decision, I don't want to know about SCO !). > > The newer way might be to run SCO inside a virtual environment > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/virtualization-host.html > > BTW If you're doomed to run SCO, get hold of a SCO Skunkware CD, > issued by SCO, free) full of FSF & PD etc tools to make raw SCO > less annoying. > > You should search this archive: > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-emulation > & probably susbscribe & ask there. > > IMO you'll probably have better luck with FreeBSD than NetBSD for this, > (not will certainly, just probably at my guess, for this topic ;-) > > Cheers, > Julian Thank-you I wish to use the compiler Microfocus cobol/2 writen for Unix compatible with Sco Xenix and Sco OpenServer, it generate a intermediate code that run win RUNTIME COBOL, the problem is where must be install the cobol library for compilation and runtime environment, and what terminfo to use; if I use a virtual environment I work like now with no possibility to extra periferal and external drive ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 12 11:32:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962E675B for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 11:32:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gg0-x229.google.com (mail-gg0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c02::229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C632799 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 11:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-gg0-f169.google.com with SMTP id a5so1246825ggn.0 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 04:32:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=x-received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :reply-to:organization:x-mailer:face:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=AJSOIY56AVQ9aKXqzNx0nKDBvSCfM5i3feq+x60dRZc=; b=nm2ZnMcnQt2IuWt8EwWq1IhJv/Reqh9qJcI7ywiqVIYA3Eyhvyuwol0uBsKGEYZLri GOque00gPbCXDT1kKXBloBJ7rCJOQtNVlM1u65XZqXkdUdJVhNzs9iR46TMRWqbTtnAO u36A9pFyJ/cyYMo2Bvr/ZDNN1XNYPFUAJRW0I= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :reply-to:organization:x-mailer:face:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=AJSOIY56AVQ9aKXqzNx0nKDBvSCfM5i3feq+x60dRZc=; b=Y1WHchBCFonWOJfoHejC0Wb2jlHB/fP8UhkwTlV1oFSuKPqth5vslvyhMgxSWaprfb CtuLfNJbm5EG7V8HQECrdK5wnWji2tONTeyvXgmzwiA7i198qUHc7CPWR6nFEdAUPaxV tT/7J86QRK86RYrAHNG0OK1klXX0WEna//qm+rZ6yKVvbe5i2GugC1ibTpQ1kTxPeRUv HiDokwUeVMPXD9z+4RCTbF9I2FJghXQC5fCjnnFaSKb7/2JUTtCw8Q2orUYtW/dfUSMY IMHP698WYRPkt2WKoJAq9YDW/yLNcZTE3wsN1h3gJE7yCG4SzTUGQp+HbU8ugxrecyUW 1UuQ== X-Received: by 10.236.51.103 with SMTP id a67mr1632802yhc.79.1368358362852; Sun, 12 May 2013 04:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id w62sm14726822yhd.27.2013.05.12.04.32.41 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 12 May 2013 04:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3b7jgr5XR0z2CG5n for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 07:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 07:32:40 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: List Spam Filtering Message-ID: <20130512073240.0c15604c@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20130512073931.c85d1a0b1639a79efc489df1@sohara.org> References: <20130511170944.20e6037204c186923a385d7e@sohara.org> <201305111744.r4BHik5Y069562@fire.js.berklix.net> <20130512073931.c85d1a0b1639a79efc489df1@sohara.org> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.17; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmoD24j+VeXnmkcYU46kpTW0m8Ek03FUZbBuj5rK8UGitjqvHQBjz4k51VrkyX9XnF4dYjw X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 11:32:44 -0000 On Sun, 12 May 2013 07:39:31 +0100 Steve O'Hara-Smith articulated: > On Sat, 11 May 2013 19:44:46 +0200 > "Julian H. Stacey" wrote: > > > Hi, > > "Steve O'Hara-Smith" wrote: > > > On Thu, 09 May 2013 02:26:26 +0200 > > > "Julian H. Stacey" wrote: > > > > > > > If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only: > > > > - List could silently discard such spam. > > > > - Postmaster@ (& webmaster@ weeding web archives) would have > > > > less work. > > > > - Less individual need to select spam phrases to copy to > > > > personal filters (& less time searching WTF dialect American > > > > above meant in English ;-). > > > > > > The downside is that it would require people to subscribe > > > in order to ask a question, > > > > True. I suggest the up side outweighs the down side though. > > From the point of view of subscribers perhaps, however from > the point of view of users who don't wish to subscribe in order to > ask a single question it is the other way round. I am not really a big fan of paying for a hunting license since I only hunt once a year; however, they still make me do it. As a POC earlier this year, I subscribed to this list under a different name & address, returned to my MUA and the responding message from this list was waiting. I replied to it and was there upon subscribed. Total time, less than 1-1/2 minutes. And that included me taking a sip of coffee. The time to remove myself from the list was similar. Hell, it takes me longer than that to gather all of the info I might need to either ask or respond to a question on this list. > > > this is also the reason for the convention of using > > > "Reply to all" in FreeBSD mailing lists. It's been a convention > > > for a *long* time, at least since FreeBSD 1.1 was shiny and new > > > in 1993. > > > > I'm not intending to question or suggest any change re CC behaviour. > > (Maybe you mis-read or mis-infered what I intended, > > Not at all, just pointing out that the two things have a > common reason in the FreeBSD lists. Personally I doubt that either > will change any time soon. > > > or maybe I mis-wrote, or mis-implied, whatever, please forget > > that bit, though as background I'd observe: > > Questions@ didn't exist for quite a while after FreeBSD > > started, Hackers@ & some others preceded it. > > A good many others indeed - but all the "user" lists have > always had the same conventions. > > > Various people prune CC when they get littered with too > > many CC. ) I never respond to CC'ers. If they cannot take the time to subscribe, I cannot afford the time to respond. > True enough - and occasionally this loses the unsubscribed OP. Perhaps our list should include a disclaimer (I hate them) that states: WARNING: CC ARE YOUR OWN RISK Actually, I think this is kind of funn: From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: "Julian H. Stacey" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Technically, I am responding to a CC'er who happens to be the list operator/owner or whatever terminology turns you on. My sieve filters are designed to filter out an CC messages; however, they are also designed to accept any mail from FreeBSD*. Since I was not in the CC address (directly), I ended up getting a CC'd mesage. I really have to rework my filters. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 12 12:13:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617F04A4 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 12:13:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xavierfreebsdquestions@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-x233.google.com (mail-qa0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A17390D for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 12:13:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id hu16so998277qab.17 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 05:13:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bK7u1Cq2ay2J6/VcXyp9THseq8vVBrTud9PAg1zJCEA=; b=pbbRGNYpcBoIOUoU1uU/Yfj1l2BVZn14PFoUAgp4Vrq6cPrm+TC+pfG/0+Z+6zRHhx n9A0liXpza2jGs6CUxS79zeoCNd3f0cWdV28N1713AQb2PoibIMwrJwS/2Dq9TQopw1r sjoJFKz0iEuKNvcLcfQnlpfduBoYN+JqTr5klC6ecGzEcpViikvSJPUunLAMKnK75T0w gZsq5WjFVpS7ouBIJC+V2oaMari/hzotJYDFB7wZLTrXpU+7clcNJnEbXFepeOv8c+AQ eaJtCHuLbnZfSfChDCg7S2pKofgiZ3XEsvYBih0cWTPEbN3akoe9rVLkYLA2uZMpzEtD GCWw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.215.131 with SMTP id he3mr17633145qab.29.1368360813430; Sun, 12 May 2013 05:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.2.100 with HTTP; Sun, 12 May 2013 05:13:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130510130345.308c412ab657028ec3531ab2@yahoo.es> References: <20130510130345.308c412ab657028ec3531ab2@yahoo.es> Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 14:13:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: with ACPI=on, 9.1-RELEASE shutdown automatically From: Xavier To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 12:13:34 -0000 On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 01:03:45PM +0200, Eduardo Morras wrote: Hi Eduardo, > On Fri, 10 May 2013 12:34:14 +0200 > Xavier wrote: > > > Hi to all, > > > > About this email subject, on acer Aspire 5634WLMi machine and > > 9.1-RELEASE OS, FreeBSD shutdown the machine automatically in few > > minuts. > > In freebsd-es a similar problem was reported some months ago. The cause i= s fan switch off after startup menu and rising temperature. It looks like e= c controller problem (Acer doesn't provide documentation about Embedded Con= troller, all is done by try and error and can damage the laptop) Yes, is the same situation. I don't solved the problem. For this reason I post here now. And, I wait a long time for try new situations and not crossposting the problem in other mailing list. > > > How can I debug the reason of the problem ? > > A not so good wokaround is down the temperature where cpu Hz is adjusted: > > #sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.user_override=3D1 > #sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._PSV=3D65C > #sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.user_override=3D0 > First of all, I load the correct ACPI mapping driver for acer laptops ( this situation ): acpi_wmi(4) root@casa:/root # kldstat | grep acpi 4 1 0xc13dd000 462c acpi_wmi.ko root@casa:/root # Now I try yours values: First, de defaults values: root@casa:/root # sysctl -a | grep hw.acpi.thermal.user_override hw.acpi.thermal.user_override: 0 root@casa:/root # sysctl -a | grep hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._PSV hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._PSV: -1 root@casa:/root # sysctl -a | grep hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._PSV hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._PSV: 95,0C root@casa:/root # sysctl -a | grep hw.acpi.thermal.user_override hw.acpi.thermal.user_override: 0 root@casa:/root # I change to your suggerations: root@casa:/root # sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.user_override=3D1 hw.acpi.thermal.user_override: 0 -> 1 root@casa:/root # sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._PSV=3D65C hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._PSV: -1 -> 65,0C root@casa:/root # sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._PSV=3D65C hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._PSV: 95,0C -> 65,0C root@casa:/root # sysctl -a | grep hw.acpi.thermal.user_override hw.acpi.thermal.user_override: 1 root@casa:/root # sysctl -a | grep hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._PSV hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._PSV: 65,0C root@casa:/root # sysctl -a | grep hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._PSV hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._PSV: 65,0C root@casa:/root # I look for the temperature at the moment: root@casa:/root # sysctl -a | grep temperature acpi_tz1: temperature 67.0C: decreasing clock speed from 500 MHz to 250 MHz acpi_tz1: temperature 67.0C: decreasing clock speed from 250 MHz to 125 MHz hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 73,0C hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.temperature: 72,0C dev.cpu.0.temperature: 75,0C dev.cpu.1.temperature: 75,0C root@casa:/root # I try compile one port ... : ... while compile I look the temperature: root@casa:/root # sysctl -a | grep temperature acpi_tz1: temperature 67.0C: decreasing clock speed from 500 MHz to 250 MHz acpi_tz1: temperature 67.0C: decreasing clock speed from 250 MHz to 125 MHz hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 95,0C hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.temperature: 94,0C dev.cpu.0.temperature: 92,0C dev.cpu.1.temperature: 92,0C root@casa:/root # I break the compilation because if hw.acpi.thermal.tz%d.temperature ( of ACPI_THERMAL(4) ) =3D 100C the FreeBSD shutdown automacally. > Or downgrade to 8.x > On 8.x I get the same problem. Thanks, see you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 12 12:22:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BAA396F for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 12:22:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsk@gsp.org) Received: from taos.firemountain.net (taos.firemountain.net [207.114.3.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63DD6959 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 12:22:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gsp.org (localhost.firemountain.net [127.0.0.1]) by taos.firemountain.net (8.14.6/8.14.6) with SMTP id r4CC4rV7004579 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 08:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 08:04:52 -0400 From: Rich Kulawiec To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: List Spam Filtering Message-ID: <20130512120452.GA27244@gsp.org> References: <1368039547.0568389241738319@mf7.sendgrid.net> <201305090026.r490QQeA095142@fire.js.berklix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201305090026.r490QQeA095142@fire.js.berklix.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 12:22:54 -0000 1. Restricting mailing lists to "subscribers only" has been a best practice since the last century. It's a very good anti-spam tactic. 2. However, doing so -- for a list run via Mailman, like this one -- does not pose a significant impediment for non-subscribers. By default, Mailman will hold traffic from non-subscribers for list-owner approval. Provided the list-owners check that queue periodically and have reasonable spam-spotting abilities, this works beautifully. 3. Note that Mailman, as part of that same mechanism, allows list-owners to add non-subscribers to a list of those permitted to send traffic to the list without approval. This feature is probably more often used to allow traffic from alternative addresses for subscribers, e.g., someone is subscribed as fred@example.com but sends occasionally from fred@example.net. But it can just as easily be used for non-subscribers if the list-owners so choose. 4. List-owners may also find it useful to keep track of which spammers repeatedly attempt to abuse the list and block them at the MTA -- which has the desirable side effect of blocking them from ALL lists. I do this on a user/host/domain/network basis, and it's proven itself to be worth the effort. So: setting the "subscribers-only" flag on Mailman has major advantages, at the cost of additional work on the part of list-owners -- which can be mitigated in part across all lists by making changes to the MTA. ---rsk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 12 12:33:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278E3F2B; Sun, 12 May 2013 12:33:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-x232.google.com (mail-wg0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CECB9B9; Sun, 12 May 2013 12:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f50.google.com with SMTP id m15so5294371wgh.17 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 05:33:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:user-agent :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type; bh=Bb8jJpoAsyDp6kGD3+86kQIk14jeIKbaA/wLobXjKNc=; b=sDAmGSqWC0KtRWD4PYa6jcXBq//+PC4GhThjVQ2fd5mVgPpdq5WsWP8u6d7+3yg9sN zHmLoEwPHdhtciGiHuaqogCBvvBvpso48ogqazHQStZqvBjW8BDzMf4KpBcaggbJRseH 9CFZKA6yLTgPYAVxJNDL0PCGcwvos+67v3JZf3iH/6KcNBk6KP8OSp70kj8mY+O+MqIA /oTQFRtNJtwGGyZbpuLun/fLlD7aoS3SFXRsil6rSCN0/OGehSgDdC1aLwZrZRRktwkc XutOwzKtoyvXQhGmQz+JLbpgZidNuKZDIHye6YDzwmq3joALPy6uPctRRjWIA4b7TZkA rJig== X-Received: by 10.194.58.243 with SMTP id u19mr34316646wjq.47.1368362032612; Sun, 12 May 2013 05:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from melon.localnet (227.33.91.91.rev.sfr.net. [91.91.33.227]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id cw8sm9029200wib.7.2013.05.12.05.33.51 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 12 May 2013 05:33:51 -0700 (PDT) From: demelier.david@gmail.com To: Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: ZFS on MBR does not boot at all Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 14:33:40 +0200 Message-ID: <6880589.HeDbgaSJ34@melon> User-Agent: KMail/4.10.1 (FreeBSD/9.1-RELEASE-p1; KDE/4.10.1; amd64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <67um8rwqrdrxes.fsf@saturn.laptop> References: <67um8rwqrdrxes.fsf@saturn.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cc: David Demelier , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 12:33:55 -0000 Le dimanche 5 mai 2013 22:20:43 Giorgos Keramidas a =E9crit : > On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 13:29:18 +0200, David Demelier=20 wrote: > > 2013/4/18 David Demelier : > >> Hello, > >> I would like to use ZFS over MBR for multiboot purposes. I've foll= owed > >> that guide https://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/ZFSBootPartition but= it > >> does not boot at all. The loader does not show up after choosing > >> FreeBSD in the boot0 loader. > >>=20 > >> The _ prompt appears but nothing starts. I've found many people ov= er > >> the web having the same problem but unfortunately no one found a > >> solution. > >>=20 > >> I think the offensive commands are ones with dd and zfsboot. > >> Regards, > >=20 > > So someone told me on IRC that the main problem was that I've put m= y > > partition swap as first partition in the FreeBSD slice and zfsboot > > *requires* that the zfs partition is the first. > >=20 > > Can someone with right access to the wiki page may add a notice abo= ut > > this issue on https://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/ZFSBootPartition > > please? >=20 > Hi David, >=20 > Thanks for following up with what the real problem was. I updated th= e > Wiki to include this: >=20 > Note that partition order is important. It seems that zfsboot > requires the freebsd-zfs partition to be the first, so make sure = you > add if first, before your swap partition. Thank you :) Regards, From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 12 12:47:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1EF2B2 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 12:47:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cyberleo@cyberleo.net) Received: from paka.cyberleo.net (mtumishi.cyberleo.net [216.226.128.201]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF9DA18 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 12:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.16.44.4] (den.cyberleo.net [216.80.73.130]) by paka.cyberleo.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0F1F011BFC6; Sun, 12 May 2013 08:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <518F8F52.4050203@cyberleo.net> Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 07:47:14 -0500 From: CyberLeo Kitsana User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130410 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leslie Jensen Subject: Re: Can I avoid the display of pkg-messages in portmaster? References: <518F2AAA.3010208@eskk.nu> In-Reply-To: <518F2AAA.3010208@eskk.nu> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 12:47:22 -0000 On 05/12/2013 12:37 AM, Leslie Jensen wrote: > > > I do some work on remote machines and sometimes I have a need to execute > additional commands after for example a portmaster -a command. > > Normally I use the "&&" to separate commands but this does not work when > portmaster displays pkg-messages. > > I cannot see in the portmaster manpage that there's a possibility to > make the choice on displaying pkg-messages. > > Maybe a suggestion to further enhance portmaster in the future. > > To work around this I was thinking of maybe making a script that ran > > portmaster -a then a command to "press space" until one is sure that all > messages has been displayed. > > On this I could need some help. My scripting skills are not that good. To avoid interaction when scripting or logging portmaster, in addition to the --no-confirm option, I usually set the following environment variables prior to invocation: BATCH=yes PAGER=cat The former should avoid any build-time port interaction (and mark the port BROKEN if it must, so I can deal with it manually); the latter causes portmaster to use 'cat' instead of 'more' to display the pkg-messages afterwards. -- Fuzzy love, -CyberLeo Technical Administrator CyberLeo.Net Webhosting http://www.CyberLeo.Net Furry Peace! - http://www.fur.com/peace/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 12 13:27:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32896C3F for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:27:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roland@micite.net) Received: from smtp08.online.nl (smtp08.online.nl [194.134.42.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B2CB53 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:27:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp08.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp08.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8ADC6600B for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 15:21:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from micite.net (s529d340f.adsl.online.nl [82.157.52.15]) by smtp08.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 15:21:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 92108 invoked by uid 98); 12 May 2013 13:09:54 -0000 Received: from 82.157.52.15 (roland@82.157.52.15) by lutetium.micite.net (envelope-from , uid 82) with qmail-scanner-2.01 (spamassassin: 3.3.2. 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(roland@82.157.52.15) by 192.168.1.64 with CAMELLIA256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 12 May 2013 13:09:47 -0000 Message-ID: <518F975E.9080105@micite.net> Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 15:21:34 +0200 From: Roland van Laar User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130404 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: ZFS partitioning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp08.online.nl) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 13:27:49 -0000 Hello, I'm following the raidz[1] and mirror[2] guides for a ZFS root. For a test installation on a 5 disk Virtualbox environment. I see that all the disks get the same partitions, including swap and boot? Why is that? And do I need those 5 boot and swap partitions? Thank you for your time, Rolad [1]https://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/RAIDZ1 [2]https://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/9.0-RELEASE From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 12 13:44:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44836183 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:44:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from terje@elde.net) Received: from keepquiet.net (keepquiet.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:130:84c1::deaf:babe]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A191C41 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:44:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.131.23.117] (2.150.32.101.tmi.telenormobil.no [2.150.32.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: terje@elde.net) by keepquiet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7B5F62E3FB; Sun, 12 May 2013 15:44:46 +0200 (CEST) References: <518F975E.9080105@micite.net> In-Reply-To: <518F975E.9080105@micite.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <2160B0FC-740C-4A98-8C1D-FAFD9B5C5808@elde.net> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10A523) From: Terje Elde Subject: Re: ZFS partitioning Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 15:44:38 +0200 To: Roland van Laar Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 13:44:48 -0000 On 12. mai 2013, at 15:21, Roland van Laar wrote: > I see that all the disks get the same partitions, including swap and boot?= > Why is that? And do I need those 5 boot and swap partitions? You don't need them, but there's a good chance you'll want them.=20 Long story, short version: with raidz and mirror, you survive the loss of a d= isk. If you put boot on one, and that's the disk you loose, you're up shit c= reek, having chosen not to bring a paddle. ;) It's also not a lot to loose by putting it on all of them.=20 For swap, there's also performance-reasons.=20 Terje From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 12 13:48:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 937CA24E for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:48:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-x22d.google.com (mail-ob0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22d]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63960CD0 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:48:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f173.google.com with SMTP id eh20so66755obb.32 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 06:48:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=q+URRjalZO8u9TMYyFbAvJZOpTplUKUjCtewbiim/lg=; b=hOH1CSxJCluYRa2Bfsm2orO7f/PedvL3DEG9TjWAE2Eg2Lf1i/MUpVW/1z6DZDdT8p Vu21QwncgVIz+ZGAaJgcmms+DQcmE/7FXRhnh8U+r78LPBJzTH/TlynJ1up0tUJsmoGp 4oa0+M0igwRftLN3TikF0cH/fONU1cEHVL3gTACMij5q+Rj5J3EXwouyARNuRq6cK0Is gINUN4f5wkuxKyGC5mV1Lg39D9pzllOmbDCvHDrPOB/z54hbp79obpE1LFAL5QWsIujz W+1zb9Fxkh5Vf49w59rM3ms6XjLlkgMHdB+0W6cOv3KY/IA2tdUIyZQgn5dlocosJxtK hZAw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.116.3 with SMTP id js3mr8868273oeb.142.1368366537038; Sun, 12 May 2013 06:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.96.49 with HTTP; Sun, 12 May 2013 06:48:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2160B0FC-740C-4A98-8C1D-FAFD9B5C5808@elde.net> References: <518F975E.9080105@micite.net> <2160B0FC-740C-4A98-8C1D-FAFD9B5C5808@elde.net> Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 09:48:56 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ZFS partitioning From: Outback Dingo To: Terje Elde Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Roland van Laar , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 13:48:57 -0000 notice my boot pool is a mirror, so disk 2 is identical to disk1, so if disk1 ever dies, logically i could boot from disk two pool: tank state: ONLINE scan: scrub repaired 0 in 0h0m with 0 errors on Sat May 11 13:20:41 2013 config: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM tank ONLINE 0 0 0 mirror-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 da34p3 ONLINE 0 0 0 da35p3 ONLINE 0 0 0 errors: No known data errors On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Terje Elde wrote: > On 12. mai 2013, at 15:21, Roland van Laar wrote: > > > I see that all the disks get the same partitions, including swap and > boot? > > Why is that? And do I need those 5 boot and swap partitions? > > You don't need them, but there's a good chance you'll want them. > > Long story, short version: with raidz and mirror, you survive the loss of > a disk. If you put boot on one, and that's the disk you loose, you're up > shit creek, having chosen not to bring a paddle. ;) > > It's also not a lot to loose by putting it on all of them. > > For swap, there's also performance-reasons. > > Terje > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 12 17:26:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF0EF68 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 17:26:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: from mail-ve0-x22b.google.com (mail-ve0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c01::22b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD16338E for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 17:26:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f171.google.com with SMTP id m1so1967066ves.16 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 10:26:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=wRkg2LAHEzcBHE88OI5uiCTF602/mFqCKiODnWfmQf8=; b=ea9jiva5wtQGMPW6/Zuulg/x1+4KN/TmyGhvzOzZ7ArLtbb6zXoZpVKldGjxX6pYjm HBWLA+cABh6882erEF8ad/rvLwH8jEvNe2/lCkJnu1o2eKqxLaRiZcbyxEzVRfZnIPr6 gqoPW6/YemDW3HnQDYNvvSFFMjxBOG9ai+LCTbkJzAf46sUVTfGeWJN+NxV9Yy+24ZBa RNIlzikPkhQEKznFSKlUqK3p4tjrVDNL3S38jS5lElSEKnn1l2aEnjRSKlX131Qn6CRp 4TRNhyiJ/Ka1nLEAILvGANsckPmT0HjnaO4XiEzFh5lFqiKfnYkxnROT6GI1t4kPXzNm fQ6g== X-Received: by 10.221.4.131 with SMTP id oc3mr16600540vcb.46.1368379589083; Sun, 12 May 2013 10:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.66] ([96.236.21.119]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id nr3sm9973548veb.4.2013.05.12.10.26.27 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 12 May 2013 10:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: ZFS partitioning Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 13:26:26 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <518F975E.9080105@micite.net> <2160B0FC-740C-4A98-8C1D-FAFD9B5C5808@elde.net> To: Outback Dingo X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlnJdVYhTIMlq2k5bSBCCFlb7Pg8UgBzWE1uXmQiqsenCIt/10Cn/6ejjtu5nH0jz3MM0Vp Cc: Roland van Laar , Terje Elde , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 17:26:30 -0000 On May 12, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Outback Dingo = wrote: > notice my boot pool is a mirror, so disk 2 is identical to disk1, so = if > disk1 ever dies, logically i could boot from disk two The zpool mirror does not mirror the bootblock. You need to = manually add that to all the drives you may want to boot from. > pool: tank > state: ONLINE > scan: scrub repaired 0 in 0h0m with 0 errors on Sat May 11 13:20:41 = 2013 > config: >=20 > NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM > tank ONLINE 0 0 0 > mirror-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 > da34p3 ONLINE 0 0 0 > da35p3 ONLINE 0 0 0 >=20 > errors: No known data errors -- Paul Kraus Deputy Technical Director, LoneStarCon 3 Sound Coordinator, Schenectady Light Opera Company From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 12 18:48:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A28133FC for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 18:48:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-x235.google.com (mail-ob0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C2E945 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 18:48:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f181.google.com with SMTP id ta17so2325553obb.40 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 11:48:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=AyLvmPTMaBnX6uK6A1F2nZNoCtyFvdK6rnEC3Oi0K4w=; b=H6e4viP+F2NhUI/jON08Mbh7mosvIjw1v/kQEpRuQzALglryoW5ZTyVWbGzN9lI0nW 8mkbmr4pyyDj/hKVGiXf/9T6PMuMnL3CmB5YbCD9H0DoCv2GGOrLQD9fGdcSj9+MYdbs qC2tg7HQ/gvoXaGunb6J+qgZ4S9FbXVDNzQFmmCucLTailKZjbTlT/fK3I2t8Ba7grOg 72jEqbRrRDL05hC994X5yDlGowS3HAlBUcvm8MBpzETPB4sxaO9YsuNikxEEYRSwvJn7 TiVGs2a4BLH92A4PoUQYUsZZeueNqMNzGLsBddc3nktoJGP/sD51Nhpxf4hEfQ/mmANE 6RAA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.46.228 with SMTP id y4mr11489946obm.28.1368384522113; Sun, 12 May 2013 11:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.96.49 with HTTP; Sun, 12 May 2013 11:48:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <518F975E.9080105@micite.net> <2160B0FC-740C-4A98-8C1D-FAFD9B5C5808@elde.net> Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 14:48:42 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ZFS partitioning From: Outback Dingo To: Paul Kraus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Roland van Laar , Terje Elde , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 18:48:42 -0000 On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Paul Kraus wrote: > On May 12, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Outback Dingo wrote: > > > notice my boot pool is a mirror, so disk 2 is identical to disk1, so if > > disk1 ever dies, logically i could boot from disk two > > The zpool mirror does not mirror the bootblock. You need to > manually add that to all the drives you may want to boot from. > > yeah i know ive done both bootblocks, Thanks though > > pool: tank > > state: ONLINE > > scan: scrub repaired 0 in 0h0m with 0 errors on Sat May 11 13:20:41 2013 > > config: > > > > NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM > > tank ONLINE 0 0 0 > > mirror-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 > > da34p3 ONLINE 0 0 0 > > da35p3 ONLINE 0 0 0 > > > > errors: No known data errors > > -- > Paul Kraus > Deputy Technical Director, LoneStarCon 3 > Sound Coordinator, Schenectady Light Opera Company > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 12 20:02:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12365AE for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 20:02:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwinlculp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-x232.google.com (mail-wg0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C454C27 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 20:02:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f50.google.com with SMTP id m15so5770865wgh.29 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:02:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ZGJ7GtpEggY7/PwfGf36WABcYW6qGVOI6HnEP1FZn/8=; b=nhxYOb0/GnLTJUAoY6allSDkxGXMG0Q1SNXOfns1Y5nLnZzMa0NhqeeyZPRc5Anp5g Kr13+q/3brPvWuMxwDNoeCwe2xkvwV5V3u9p2iqa+7lRn2qCOeCjDRh87IVJH7yibyum 2WK/KSTmBTTjCe2+J8XyCd5tCJUKUt3eOuH+L9ARaN18txI8mDeazAEUtivJeNFdKwyr FiRn+oPNMZTyQwbQcZ3w3Ni3xXAGlvrc3p5jSdiC4kBzI4SDbBSnYyS5kERahSg8NCk9 6PPcfo2AEjq4H9HFAoL48qygqSglzIuj81IeLK3WF0iQsdnAkISaNhMnneG3dg+Md/xb sgJA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.39.137 with SMTP id p9mr4297137wik.27.1368388948442; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.249.131 with HTTP; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:02:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130512090004.GA18013@ethic.thought.org> References: <20130512090004.GA18013@ethic.thought.org> Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 15:02:28 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT, i think... From: "Edwin L. Culp W." To: Gary Kline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 20:02:29 -0000 SIMIoff topic. (I think) Sorry but I am envious that you have a chrome working. I am stuck with the =3D=3D=3D> chromium-25.0.1364.172_1 has known vulnerabilities: chromium-25.0.1364.172_1 is vulnerable: chromium -- multiple vulnerabilities WWW: http://portaudit.FreeBSD.org/bdd48858-9656-11e2-a9a8-00262d5ed8ee.html =3D> Please update your ports tree and try again. *** [check-vulnerable] Error code 1 Sorry but I'm not sure which is worse, having it or not having it. Again i apologize. ed On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Gary Kline wrote: > > guys, > > if goog had their browser from BSD it would help big-time; I use one of > the > zillions of linux distros for my desktop. I dont have a bleeding edge > cell. just something to call the cops or "access" [ small bus with wchair > lift.] only have one hand, so cant easily hold cell and "type" blah * 3. > > SO, the upshot is, since I use firefox mostly, and chrome, rarely, I got = a > bit befuddled tonight trying to read an old philosopher's translation on > chrome. I got to fess-up. reading on the screen is vastly easier than > getting out a REAL book and paperweights, and taking off my eyeglasses, > &C! tonight, I figured out howto enlarge the font and bring up the book. > --i read "the prince" by nick whatever. this on google's browser. it > took awhile before I realized that I wasnt hearing the words! yes, the > speaker in the circle [[upper right]] read aloud and I could glean > that much more by reading with eyes and ears. =3D=3D=3Dbut=3D=3D=3D is t= here some > magic I ca n use to do an "All", and then fire off the text-to-voice? > > > [[[the following is interesting only if you're into art schopenhauer. > his works were not correctly xlated until {i think} 1954. I bought the > p'back of his *Parerga and Paralipomena: A Collection of Philosophical > Essays*. I never read it. google has it, and I suppose I could cough pu= p > $whatever. but only if they got their tts stuff working without me havin= g > to > mouse 600+ pages or whatever it requires. ]]] > > > anybody know howto make this All menu cmd work in chrome? in ffox, it's > a simple edit->control-A > > thanks much, > > gary > > > > -- > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service > Unix > Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 Bienes Ra=EDces in Coatepec, Veracruz, Mexico http://www.facebook.com/pages/Inmobiliaria-Bienes-Raices-httpEcoManiainfo/1= 02249989850215?sk=3Dphotos_albums From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 12 21:17:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B9FC6E for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 21:17:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roland@micite.net) Received: from smtp02.online.nl (smtp02.online.nl [194.134.41.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A2EF96 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 21:17:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp02.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 434DBA04F for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 23:11:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from micite.net (s529d340f.adsl.online.nl [82.157.52.15]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 23:11:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 99036 invoked by uid 98); 12 May 2013 20:59:56 -0000 Received: from 82.157.52.15 (roland@82.157.52.15) by lutetium.micite.net (envelope-from , uid 82) with qmail-scanner-2.01 (spamassassin: 3.3.2. 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(roland@82.157.52.15) by 192.168.1.64 with CAMELLIA256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 12 May 2013 20:59:53 -0000 Message-ID: <5190058D.2030705@micite.net> Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 23:11:41 +0200 From: Roland van Laar User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130404 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: ZFS mirror install /mnt is empty Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp02.online.nl) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 21:17:49 -0000 Hello, I followed these[1] step up to the Finishing touches. I'm using a 9.1 Release. After the install I go into the shell and /mnt is empty. The mount command shows that the zfs partitions are mounted. When I reboot the system it can't find the bootloader. What can I do to fix this? Thanks, Roland van Laar [1] https://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/9.0-RELEASE From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 12 22:26:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB70C8DF for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 22:26:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrisom@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ia0-x22a.google.com (mail-ia0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c02::22a]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E00B292 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 22:26:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ia0-f170.google.com with SMTP id l29so429017iag.15 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 15:26:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jpdU+o0Sq/8guov7ox1KxcIEdRzLwCYk1DeUK67Dx+0=; b=sUwiWZgb9lJ59SaqrHysNp3QFj0j2ww2NEuWPNTawY87a/2PYY0O+vO1savwYkcc+L cB1j8xAjhFbjfKSTvVXHDSFBs6ARGIYvCFytVsps3w5PuRrwBMwTyEzf5IvAn1eIUDYt DQ47hVd7wsysbYoFaKo1pVszuYZDy//LPh26vxdpaDfWf5e/hrtB0R8AZ7e3Dnzhdfnc Mkl76jIonCYMmRWeLki6cvy3Q6IiqtO8BMpXCvwWSvnpE6M7tGXg4n8mBduPaB/yT1xO gh59CZ/DsqRoOoNajmK8aFYMScFpeYV+485IrCYN5ZP/rlqtWDW3BsBImHqMyimNqs/M tDAQ== X-Received: by 10.50.78.37 with SMTP id y5mr8389795igw.43.1368397597913; Sun, 12 May 2013 15:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (c-98-212-197-211.hsd1.il.comcast.net. [98.212.197.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ct8sm14347986igb.7.2013.05.12.15.26.36 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 12 May 2013 15:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5190170F.6050005@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 17:26:23 -0500 From: Joshua Isom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS partitioning References: <518F975E.9080105@micite.net> <2160B0FC-740C-4A98-8C1D-FAFD9B5C5808@elde.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 22:26:38 -0000 You may not want to mirror the boot block. That way you can update one boot block, test it before copying the other. If the new boot block fails to boot, the BIOS should go to the next hard drive and boot the mirror. I don't know if it's possible to detect which drive you're actually booting from to know for sure it worked though. A back up is better than a mirror. With a mirror, you're more likely to fail to boot. On 5/12/2013 12:26 PM, Paul Kraus wrote: > On May 12, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Outback Dingo wrote: > >> notice my boot pool is a mirror, so disk 2 is identical to disk1, so if >> disk1 ever dies, logically i could boot from disk two > > The zpool mirror does not mirror the bootblock. You need to manually add that to all the drives you may want to boot from. > >> pool: tank >> state: ONLINE >> scan: scrub repaired 0 in 0h0m with 0 errors on Sat May 11 13:20:41 2013 >> config: >> >> NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM >> tank ONLINE 0 0 0 >> mirror-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 >> da34p3 ONLINE 0 0 0 >> da35p3 ONLINE 0 0 0 >> >> errors: No known data errors > > -- > Paul Kraus > Deputy Technical Director, LoneStarCon 3 > Sound Coordinator, Schenectady Light Opera Company > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 13 01:19:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4415E67A for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 01:19:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from coco@executive-computing.de) Received: from mail.moehre.org (mail.moehre.org [195.96.35.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F9C9DD for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 01:19:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.moehre.org (unknown [195.96.35.7]) by mail.moehre.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23468B143B; Mon, 13 May 2013 03:19:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.963 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.963 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1, AWL=0.037, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=disabled Received: from mail.moehre.org ([195.96.35.7]) by mail.moehre.org (mail.moehre.org [195.96.35.7]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iT7AE+w64CMS; Mon, 13 May 2013 03:19:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from probsd.c0c0.intra (p54B09AD7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.176.154.215]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: coco@executive-computing.de) by mail.moehre.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B008A8B1420; Mon, 13 May 2013 03:19:28 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 03:19:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Marco Steinbach X-X-Sender: coco@probsd.c0c0.intra To: grillo Subject: Re: compatibility SCO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 01:19:39 -0000 On Thu, 9 May 2013, grillo wrote: > I need use Microsoft Cobol Compiler and runtime developed for Xenix/Unix > system V SCO using NETBSD or FreeBSD, it is possible? have binary > compatibility ? environment compatibility ? > thank you You're probably forced to stay with MS Cobol for reasons beyond your control -- try and have a look at devel/open-cobol, nonetheless. Worked quite painlessly for getting run-off-the-mill code away from RM/Cobol about a year or two ago. MfG CoCo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 13 05:58:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB0092A for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 05:58:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B0380A for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 05:58:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r4D5wZaX014960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 13 May 2013 07:58:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id r4D5wZwd014957; Mon, 13 May 2013 07:58:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 07:58:35 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: Roland van Laar Subject: Re: ZFS mirror install /mnt is empty In-Reply-To: <5190058D.2030705@micite.net> Message-ID: References: <5190058D.2030705@micite.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="2055831798-948406826-1368424715=:72982" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fig.ol.no Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 05:58:41 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --2055831798-948406826-1368424715=:72982 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sun, 12 May 2013 23:11+0200, Roland van Laar wrote: > Hello, > > I followed these[1] step up to the Finishing touches. > I'm using a 9.1 Release. > > After the install I go into the shell and /mnt is empty. > The mount command shows that the zfs partitions are mounted. > When I reboot the system it can't find the bootloader. > > What can I do to fix this? > > Thanks, > > Roland van Laar > > [1] https://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/9.0-RELEASE Looking through the wiki notes I would do a couple of things in a different way. Since you're running 9.1-RELEASE you should take into account the need for the /boot/zfs/zpool.cache file until 9.2-RELEASE exist or you switch to the latest 9-STABLE. Create your zpool using a command like this one: zpool create -o cachefile=/tmp/zpool.cache -m /tmp/zroot zroot /dev/gpt/disk0 Copy the /tmp/zpool.cache file to /tmp/zroot/boot/zfs/zpool.cache, or in your case to /mnt/boot/zfs/zpool.cache after extracting the base and kernel stuff. In the wiki section Finishing touches, perform step 4 before step 3. The final command missing in step 3 should be zfs unmount -a once more. Avoid step 5 at all cost! Maybe this recipe is easier to follow, it sure works for 9.0-RELEASE and 9.1-RELEASE, I only hope you're happy typing long commands, and yes, command line editing is available in the shell: https://ximalas.info/2011/10/17/zfs-root-fs-on-freebsd-9-0/ Due to advances in hard drive technology, for the worse I'm afraid, i.e. 4K disk blocks, I wouldn't bother enabling compression on any ZFS file systems. I might change my blog posts to reflect this stop gap. If you do happen to have 4K drives, you might want to check out this blog post: https://ximalas.info/2012/01/11/new-server-and-first-attempt-at-running-freebsdamd64-with-zfs-for-all-storage/ -- +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Vennlig hilsen, | Best regards, | | Trond Endrestøl, | Trond Endrestøl, | | IT-ansvarlig, | System administrator, | | Fagskolen Innlandet, | Gjøvik Technical College, Norway, | | tlf. mob. 952 62 567, | Cellular...: +47 952 62 567, | | sentralbord 61 14 54 00. | Switchboard: +47 61 14 54 00. | +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ --2055831798-948406826-1368424715=:72982-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 13 07:08:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1CAD70A for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 07:08:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6724@bellsouth.net) Received: from nm27.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm27.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3555A26 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 07:08:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.44.103] by nm27.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 07:08:16 -0000 Received: from [67.195.14.108] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 07:08:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 07:08:16 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s1024; t=1368428896; bh=RUmlNK9tNdL6BiHWcpnrgL9zPfUlezoS3kzfiSbM8Kk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Message-ID:Date:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject; b=j9/YxN0KYwWcdYiGpSFbIqIEo+lsOSxYMmZ/Ni+DhQsPnB65FYLaD34pesUEFynZlYTO1BoAjo29IvLTMnd257kBXBic+25u8b02lLx6kKcnRUKwyU6OkPQybMJZ248EQW8sRbchcc84V5cCr6EaRs7nMDC5kVTCLBFLKWnFegs= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 56859.67369.bm@smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Message-ID: <56859.67369.bm@smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 00:08:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: myuMnQYVM1nrhP51IJqfOQGfeQN.ETPZADaAK9dpL7AZ52q 1Y_F8kQoGT_Iw5.rnfgzQFKHA4PcdnySMT_OZYyH2kMn_kYGz14WOZ7EaXwE grGBdZ.c0E4TwtnPcGC0.dtB1SABA7Fyg.TtyvB9kIGUIgkOKBQ7sD3C45lJ PWAZNdIjUVFuVBKlcKYV4V8AiD0lQm5wq_y.9wAbp.CVBGXYe..K6TFP4VpE .46Cgf.DnbrNhLYNIu14AH1yopCeKPEk976QFuXSv.nf8npw93PxTcbJoPri aml0ChNhvVLnLLuIHvT.q453Yy4qpBcANo1E5o1DV5mfPZNATy07IZUhF.tx Tbd.De4TbWN6x_6L9fVyvAWay9wdxk6JOz2Dt5koAiOGD0GQkGzcuisCzoWf QyREGIGOwvYbvzxqeC82I4NoCmNcnIW_SvBm1.bvETJ4moWLhoSljtFIzlJL AshWnlcIWV1wsG41WXfu.gHg6wQgN6ChQc90fX80W8s44TAs2q5RbE6lPE5z f8ofT4o_45SyPaRfpHJ7.tCfkjnbJxJqmiE9gakJvIi6Am2PlUi.msPfpH7o teI8A3xv6IsX2ZfWYQlgo9oE5PEUtmT.Rzev51Hr5MYjOBNyvqZES_0EgkLS XkxNNojSeRAkODRLj0G7hBR17ik2SnJGfbp4MiGaSNs6v X-Yahoo-SMTP: Kz_aW1.swBBYof3zAD7.RWzXz9ZAQVDMml1VADsbgPT4Kq79LC0- X-Rocket-Received: from localhost (mueller6724@74.130.198.7 with plain) by smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2013 00:08:15 -0700 PDT From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <20130512120452.GA27244@gsp.org> Subject: Re: List Spam Filtering X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 07:08:22 -0000 Excerpt from Rich Kulawiec : > 3. 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Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 13 07:48:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B3ED65 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 07:48:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE36B7C for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 07:48:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C475E17B for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:48:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.961 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.961 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.596] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id kQDhhsZlu+rD for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:48:20 +0200 (CEST) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (c224-156-70-80.bjare.net [80.70.156.224]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECCC15E18A for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:48:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <51909AC4.5070803@eskk.nu> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 09:48:20 +0200 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130504 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Marwel NIC watchdog timeout Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 07:48:27 -0000 I'm having some problems with my Marwel NIC (msk0) and loss of connection. I found a solution where one could use the settings below: In /etc/sysctl.conf net.inet.tcp.tso=0 And in /boot/loader.conf hw.msk.msi_disable=1 This seems to work but the trade-off is that I now only have 100 mbit. Without the above settings I did have Gigabit but lost the connection. Is there any way I can get back to Gigabit and still have a stable connection? Thanks /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 13 07:52:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53138E3F for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 07:52:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 135ECBFD for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 07:52:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8209C5E346 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:52:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.961 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.961 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.596] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id YSMiZj8eRr14 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:52:09 +0200 (CEST) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (c224-156-70-80.bjare.net [80.70.156.224]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF3F5E32D for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:52:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <51909BAA.80408@eskk.nu> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 09:52:10 +0200 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130504 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Marwel NIC watchdog timeout References: <51909AC4.5070803@eskk.nu> In-Reply-To: <51909AC4.5070803@eskk.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 07:52:16 -0000 ...spelling correction Should be Marvell.... 2013-05-13 09:48, Leslie Jensen skrev: > > I'm having some problems with my Marvell NIC (msk0) and loss of connection. > > I found a solution where one could use the settings below: > > In > > /etc/sysctl.conf > > net.inet.tcp.tso=0 > > And in > > /boot/loader.conf > > hw.msk.msi_disable=1 > > > This seems to work but the trade-off is that I now only have 100 mbit. > Without the above settings I did have Gigabit but lost the connection. > > Is there any way I can get back to Gigabit and still have a stable > connection? > > Thanks > > /Leslie > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 13 09:30:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7137E17 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:30:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wolfgang@riegler.homeip.net) Received: from slave1.cbt-l.de (slave1.cbt-l.de [178.77.79.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81BC7183 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:30:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (slave1.cbt-l.de [127.0.0.1]) by slave1.cbt-l.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A594215F00F9 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 11:22:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at slave1.cbt-l.de Received: from slave1.cbt-l.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (slave1.cbt-l.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id siNLYJCAo-aC for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 11:22:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.cbt-l.de (mail.cbt-l.de [212.185.49.146]) by slave1.cbt-l.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 742CB15F00F8 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 11:22:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 80518 invoked by uid 1009); 13 May 2013 09:22:42 -0000 Received: from 192.168.40.46 by mail.cbt-l.de (envelope-from , uid 1008) with qmail-scanner-1.25-st-qms (clamdscan: ClamAV 0.97.8/17095. spamassassin: 3.3.0. perlscan: 1.25-st-qms. 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Processed in 0.058164 secs Process 80408) Received: from wolfgang.cbt-l.de (HELO wolfgang.localnet) (w.riegler@cbt-l.de@192.168.40.46) by mail.cbt-l.de with SMTP; 13 May 2013 09:22:42 -0000 From: Wolfgang Riegler To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: freebsd-update and /boot/kernel/linker.hints Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 11:22:41 +0200 Message-ID: <1636055.7lG3Jua4h4@wolfgang> User-Agent: KMail/4.10.2 (Linux/3.8.2-pf-sepp1; KDE/4.10.2; x86_64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 09:30:15 -0000 Hi, since last freebsd-update fetch install I always get this message after freebsd-update fetch: The following files will be updated as part of updating to 9.1-RELEASE-p3: /boot/kernel/linker.hints but freebsd-update install doesn't install anything. Is there something wrong with my system or is this a bug in freebsd-update? kind regards Wolfgang From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 13 12:40:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4793811A for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 12:40:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: from mail-vb0-x22e.google.com (mail-vb0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c02::22e]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0910DF60 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 12:40:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id 10so5091853vbe.5 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 05:40:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=yiHDrODK4yqhUpHEmPfn98ofr4y6wISjDvTiePSTHME=; b=jefLUYtqNMCkwIyL5KGr4pgydYOimZ3PGWboLxvY/sAveI2/Wq8kV60Z44eCGC1oQC 0m26HVzdBt4pkuuv4vwX5dvrypk2YHk+o+ElSAiT610/tFxtRKM3eHWevk10NDkDdSwQ aKENUwCl/msbFkkc4KHmBo+Arb7qTL7SIm02eNLLsofekxxtRdXgSsfja3QMS/yVteiG qHxj+fFGq/Ry7n2a1tASUE6goowBW+WBUkY/+/2J5FZVvrvfPOf5YZ4bz/8DDRFgAehd zAYo7KfDaiyCnYpkDqC5Ev6a5o7EJ/2rtI6RANvi28jVACw4bbDW+6HSIBcNHrhu7TzK Lquw== X-Received: by 10.58.54.101 with SMTP id i5mr18316046vep.43.1368448857284; Mon, 13 May 2013 05:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.66] ([96.236.21.119]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id y20sm12985260vds.7.2013.05.13.05.40.56 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 13 May 2013 05:40:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: ZFS mirror install /mnt is empty Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 08:40:55 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <472E17AF-B249-4FD3-8F5E-716F8B7867F5@kraus-haus.org> References: <5190058D.2030705@micite.net> To: =?windows-1252?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkBiUghnyqQ7nH5DLvDVQ4kAxLLjiYnilSg5nT/u2+7O0laLWBDFn2wgX25S1YDR09K8oiV Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 12:40:58 -0000 On May 13, 2013, at 1:58 AM, Trond Endrest=F8l = wrote: > Due to advances in hard drive technology, for the worse I'm afraid,=20 > i.e. 4K disk blocks, I wouldn't bother enabling compression on any ZFS=20= > file systems. I might change my blog posts to reflect this stop gap. >=20 > If you do happen to have 4K drives, you might want to check out this=20= > blog post: >=20 > = https://ximalas.info/2012/01/11/new-server-and-first-attempt-at-running-fr= eebsdamd64-with-zfs-for-all-storage/ I did look, it doesn't explain why not to enable compression on = 4k sector drives. =46rom discussion on the zfs-discuss lists (both the old one = from OpenSolaris and the new one at Illumos) the only issue with 4K = sector drives is mixing 0.5K sector and 4K sector drives. You can tunes = the zpool offset to handle 4K sector drives just fine, but it is a pool = wide tuning. http://zfsday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Why-4k_.pdf has = some 4K background, and the only mention I see of compression and 4K is = that you may get less. But=85 you really need to test your data to see = if turning compression on is beneficial with any dataset. There is = noticeable computational overhead to enabling compression. If you are = CPU bound, then you will get better performance with compression off. If = you are limited by the I/O bandwidth to your drives, then *if* your data = is highly compressible, then you will get better performance with = compression on. I have managed large pools of both data that compresses = well and data that does not. = http://wiki.illumos.org/display/illumos/ZFS+and+Advanced+Format+disks = discusses the issue and presents solutions using Illumos. I could find = no such examples for FreeBSD, but I'm sure some of the same techniques = would work (manually setting the ashift to 12 for 4K disks). -- Paul Kraus Deputy Technical Director, LoneStarCon 3 Sound Coordinator, Schenectady Light Opera Company From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 13 13:26:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93DFB758 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:26:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CADD266 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:26:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r4DDPqoS021631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 13 May 2013 15:25:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id r4DDPqwD021628; Mon, 13 May 2013 15:25:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 15:25:52 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: Paul Kraus Subject: Re: ZFS mirror install /mnt is empty In-Reply-To: <472E17AF-B249-4FD3-8F5E-716F8B7867F5@kraus-haus.org> Message-ID: References: <5190058D.2030705@micite.net> <472E17AF-B249-4FD3-8F5E-716F8B7867F5@kraus-haus.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="2055831798-1843369468-1368451552=:72982" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fig.ol.no Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 13:26:02 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --2055831798-1843369468-1368451552=:72982 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Mon, 13 May 2013 08:40-0400, Paul Kraus wrote: > On May 13, 2013, at 1:58 AM, Trond Endrestøl wrote: > > > Due to advances in hard drive technology, for the worse I'm afraid, > > i.e. 4K disk blocks, I wouldn't bother enabling compression on any ZFS > > file systems. I might change my blog posts to reflect this stop gap. > > > > If you do happen to have 4K drives, you might want to check out this > > blog post: > > > > https://ximalas.info/2012/01/11/new-server-and-first-attempt-at-running-freebsdamd64-with-zfs-for-all-storage/ > I did look, it doesn't explain why not to enable compression on 4k sector drives. I guess it's due to my (mis)understanding that files shorter than 4KB stored on 4K drives never will be subject to compression. And as you state below, the degree of compression depends largely on the data at hand. > From discussion on the zfs-discuss lists (both the old one from OpenSolaris and the new one at Illumos) the only issue with 4K sector drives is mixing 0.5K sector and 4K sector drives. You can tunes the zpool offset to handle 4K sector drives just fine, but it is a pool wide tuning. > > http://zfsday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Why-4k_.pdf has some 4K background, and the only mention I see of compression and 4K is that you may get less. But? you really need to test your data to see if turning compression on is beneficial with any dataset. There is noticeable computational overhead to enabling compression. If you are CPU bound, then you will get better performance with compression off. If you are limited by the I/O bandwidth to your drives, then *if* your data is highly compressible, then you will get better performance with compression on. I have managed large pools of both data that compresses well and data that does not. > > http://wiki.illumos.org/display/illumos/ZFS+and+Advanced+Format+disks discusses the issue and presents solutions using Illumos. I could find no such examples for FreeBSD, but I'm sure some of the same techniques would work (manually setting the ashift to 12 for 4K disks). > > -- > Paul Kraus > Deputy Technical Director, LoneStarCon 3 > Sound Coordinator, Schenectady Light Opera Company -- +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Vennlig hilsen, | Best regards, | | Trond Endrestøl, | Trond Endrestøl, | | IT-ansvarlig, | System administrator, | | Fagskolen Innlandet, | Gjøvik Technical College, Norway, | | tlf. mob. 952 62 567, | Cellular...: +47 952 62 567, | | sentralbord 61 14 54 00. | Switchboard: +47 61 14 54 00. | +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ --2055831798-1843369468-1368451552=:72982-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 13 13:38:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA02F1D for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:38:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: from mail-ve0-x22a.google.com (mail-ve0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c01::22a]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80032344 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:38:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 14so1764588vea.29 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 06:38:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=fraUBdJHGprR0SIz026aV6gX1sxLt5mE/dRm08QHvPw=; b=R1PQ3JkT2kUn4rr6K5EDjUNtnMx6o1BYa8CdRiRs4o9G5ZK8kGjmgd9aQeAHbu8EC0 6MSzHevF0eNaZG2N+GCGqUIko/YnY4Y1jh5NuUZ0lwlQR/LnrlLHeJw+gdzFlVHhg+f0 AdeWkHamaqElHx1jP7mqDp/dB31asA7/fhTZZDm78NCbG42gUf3eGL/bE24Wqq/eznTj Zbemj5ndR6xrhuxZ0qGaO96FbygkSVwqcYl3kyVdNlQu195RlbOhNyZ9s+gg8vGbn2gA wUsP3vum/QV//qOGYPIrfoaaQFxXJdf6cMDhwS4zXWh/h6OIdCWQRfSfMpqlPRFzCioF B3BQ== X-Received: by 10.52.155.141 with SMTP id vw13mr15269138vdb.43.1368452284000; Mon, 13 May 2013 06:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.66] ([96.236.21.119]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id lb10sm12958692veb.5.2013.05.13.06.38.03 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 13 May 2013 06:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: ZFS mirror install /mnt is empty Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 09:38:02 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8C7A7E3A-355A-405F-840E-A60B4B6CBB1C@kraus-haus.org> References: <5190058D.2030705@micite.net> <472E17AF-B249-4FD3-8F5E-716F8B7867F5@kraus-haus.org> To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlcUPYOxXwSVCSd0DNkAj6rgUfRwZEcezGYlS8MEaQMvM2pjeaHrTE4xzqIXEQy9UlLPanD Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 13:38:04 -0000 On May 13, 2013, at 9:25 AM, Trond Endrest=F8l = wrote: >=20 > I guess it's due to my (mis)understanding that files shorter than 4KB=20= > stored on 4K drives never will be subject to compression. And as you=20= > state below, the degree of compression depends largely on the data at=20= > hand. Not a misunderstanding at all. With a 4K minimum block size = (which is what a 4K sector size implies), a file less than 4KB will not = compress at all. While ZFS does have a variable block size (512B to = 128KB), with a 4K minimum black size (just like with any fixed block FS = with a 4KB block size), small files take up more pace than they should = (a 1KB file takes up an entire 4KB block). This ends up being an = artifact of the block size and not ZFS, any FS on a 4K sector drive will = have similar behavior. I leave compression off on most of my datasets, only turning it = on on ones where I see a real benefit. /var compresses vert well (I turn = off compression in /etc/newsyslog.conf and let ZFS compress even the = current logs :-), I find that some VM's compress very well, media files = do NOT compress very well (they tend to already be compressed), generic = data compresses well, as do scanned documents (uncompressed PDFs). Your = individual results will vary :-) Also remember, if you start with compression on and after a = while you are not seeing good compression ratios, go ahead and turn it = off. The already written data will remain compressed but new writes will = not be. -- Paul Kraus Deputy Technical Director, LoneStarCon 3 Sound Coordinator, Schenectady Light Opera Company From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 13 13:39:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B72FD3 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:39:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sts@tp1.rub.de) Received: from mx4.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (mi.ruhr-uni-bochum.de [134.147.64.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 87AFC35C for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:39:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Queued: (qmail 20871 invoked by alias); 13 May 2013 13:32:19 -0000 X-Queued: (qmail 20833 invoked by uid 109); 13 May 2013 13:32:18 -0000 X-Qmailscanner: from 134.147.240.78 by mx4.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (envelope-from , uid 103) with qmail-scanner-2.01 (sophie: 3.05/3.42/4.88. 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Processed in 0.06427 secs); 13 May 2013 13:32:18 -0000 Received: from neo.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (134.147.240.78) by mx4.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de with SMTP; 13 May 2013 13:32:18 -0000 Received: from leno-sts (leno-sts.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de [134.147.240.107]) (authenticated bits=0) by neo.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r4DDWG6T024666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 15:32:17 +0200 Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 15:32:16 +0200 From: Stephan Schindel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-update and /boot/kernel/linker.hints Message-ID: <20130513133215.GB16592@leno-sts> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1636055.7lG3Jua4h4@wolfgang> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1636055.7lG3Jua4h4@wolfgang> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 13:39:01 -0000 --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 11:22:41AM +0200, Wolfgang Riegler wrote: > Hi, >=20 > since last freebsd-update fetch install I always get this message after f= reebsd-update fetch: >=20 > The following files will be updated as part of updating to 9.1-RELEASE-p3: > /boot/kernel/linker.hints >=20 > but freebsd-update install doesn't install anything. >=20 >=20 > Is there something wrong with my system or is this a bug in freebsd-updat= e? >=20 >=20 > kind regards >=20 > Wolfgang > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" My guess is that there is something wrong with freebsd-update. There is another thread here one the mailing list. And here is another thread at BSDForen.de I have started: http://www.bsdforen.de/showthread.php?p=3D251220#post251220 I am experiencing the same issue. I am no BSD-expert, but what I found strange is that if you compile your own GENERIC kernel+modules the freebsd-update tool tries to update the nfsd.ko module which would indeed result in a different checksum for nfsd.ko + a different linker.hints. --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRkOtfAAoJEAr6UOnFPzkXwwYH/23jHJOgiqFjYt019Ukz714+ vNn1rikZM+hbR95bgjTgfQ0+AvPl9SWYOz6J66uYnpdQX4lM8IR170Wlu2d6ksfo nakanhBd7tPxxDfEmGttwUbCpcju1aCJq3KZYvjDq92UezYQOyjPgOKssoeLrS11 C36ipmifjzaw6oITD+1JziOaStmyFWyxiadS2NQOJDI6wS5VlDf+pB6e3i3zsg/G ozhz7rfH7PiIwpligK62btPOBPZbxb1aCO+epTn7AfSEc9dtS+9qNcWQuwvmragp gSEmjDtbM6XJzBdo7rathBeYW4ccYUrFnHu+b4g1vjmoLMu+Prsf90BAIEy4mCU= =Ui2E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 13 13:59:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4055C1F for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:59:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xavierfreebsdquestions@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qe0-f41.google.com (mail-qe0-f41.google.com [209.85.128.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7041E793 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:59:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qe0-f41.google.com with SMTP id b10so3663646qen.28 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 06:59:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=jp6DaHQYRSS0qWuMTWXH9MrWIBhX3MzIVCXbW2NcIdQ=; b=QlqUB1wg/si0rt9CZOMTCDUyJY8miX4DJuXg3xLNUCWs1lbtuxkyZf2H1KYVa6fIOl phwxOT3omKovWn+ZwUfkdmyla8yQzq3xzPEGBBOwux+yU0LkdIUs7NKQ6n4DPxzkBEBT 0jkEbLjeEo3rPr/rM+qmd+kuZQNvCaAvmAvLvBWSkqJx3hU9Lq1Zbj5FPW2WfoWOd1f8 RcF6xf5kpHIlZeKK9r7L8AUmT+ba32bEIbAtsXjZUZQITxuYKG5CvrJnD1jbmp3Mq8pt 22/0AJjW/KkIIx4OYBxCJkHjFFlh2usBC70jEsADsRhKZSPLXwuRtkzAUfEFE9QJQywG sDAw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.6.1 with SMTP id 1mr8241656qcx.17.1368453566119; Mon, 13 May 2013 06:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.2.100 with HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2013 06:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 15:59:26 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: can't compile lang/gcc port From: Xavier To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 13:59:32 -0000 Hi to all, I can't compile lang/gcc port. The last lines of error: else \ exit 1; \ fi; \ else true; \ fi; \ fi; \ done; \ fi gmake[5]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc/work/build/i386-portbld-freebsd 9.1/libstdc++-v3' gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc/work/build/i386-portbld-freebsd 9.1/libstdc++-v3' gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc/work/build/i386-portbld-freebsd 9.1/libstdc++-v3' gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc/work/build/i386-portbld-freebsd 9.1/libstdc++-v3' gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc/work/build' *** [do-build] Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc. *** [build] Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc. Somebody can help me ? Thanks, see you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 13 16:42:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E6FE76 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 16:42:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lciotti1@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x234.google.com (mail-wi0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97DA37CD for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 16:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f180.google.com with SMTP id hn14so814482wib.7 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:41:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=bfzPUk9fycsgHoOfQDhVULN1Y95SA1qhTUrRCm8LBb8=; b=a426TFcbQjLmvBp8NkmDcXCJ7GJnq2n7z7tuJ5DFePPinahthL+m1yhoOrphUuMJJ/ Tu493lLxNm0kLbe/gQrt3bdVL7+AEJhKHm8YvEiBld7CMcQpsppV7MAAogaR9KM4MOKH BmHV3dHcdcgtCDtavn1n6+JnHLRTGB0gSqIRk0a0I5+l+mGHRcWeK434pCH8Qk/D9ez0 yBbBc48JRRkld959lPtOssayNbDNIZnDImibo4pASEtyeVdPPz/eh4Tw78z5Eh1N1utc ElKh2Dal6GszaYKbXL2cyHapeGw9E5gRpAWMYZFR71a2JGwE8at/Eguh53y7c3Ya6Jfu /LfQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.74.207 with SMTP id w15mr5918703wiv.19.1368463319819; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:41:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.58.38 with HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:41:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 12:41:59 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Bootloader/Replace GRUB From: Louis Ciotti To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 16:42:01 -0000 Hello, I replaced a Linux partition on my laptop with FreeBSD. Now it will not but giving me an GRUB error. I assume I have to remove/replace GRUB, as I will want to dual boot this with a windows partition. So being the FreeBSD newbie that I am I am stumped on what to do to correct this. Thanks, Lou From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 13 17:00:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D894A745 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 17:00:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.t@mail.com) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [74.208.4.201]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8FD791C for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 17:00:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from blazon-pc.rw.local ([78.84.232.174]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmxus001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LfSiF-1U9CyQ28F7-00p5wr for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 18:55:15 +0200 Message-ID: <51911AF5.702@mail.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 19:55:17 +0300 From: Jeff Tipton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121030 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bootloader/Replace GRUB References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:/RFmFliQApZVzWLaCVWGtCGxOUu+Y08xE8D00ncamqSgWR0e2w7 suhJrIjawCRJZunjZqSdWiX3JMBjcMkJeNWVNogaaMw+VFQfkG16VF2fCHa0s3RTvMKcL1D eEXaDlT9JX7veud5fyLWt3biTztmXOG3SvYIDNEKYrLE02QHFdpneISNacSurHNjFhENsMF M77kP6uB3C4di6UDZoBNA== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 17:00:26 -0000 On 05/13/2013 19:41, Louis Ciotti wrote: > Hello, > > I replaced a Linux partition on my laptop with FreeBSD. Now it will not > but giving me an GRUB error. I assume I have to remove/replace GRUB, as I > will want to dual boot this with a windows partition. > > So being the FreeBSD newbie that I am I am stumped on what to do to correct > this. > > Thanks, > > Lou > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hi, If it's an MBR partition, you can boot from a live CD (or installation CD and choose "Live CD"), log in as root and: /sbin/gpart bootcode -b /boot/boot0 ada0 where ada0 is the HDD device. (Check gpart man page for more examples and parameters) This will create a simple boot selector where you can choose between Windows/FreeBSD. There's also grub and grub2 in the ports but I've not tried. -Jeff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 13 17:14:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 469B6A95 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 17:14:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from smtp-out04.alice-dsl.net (smtp-out04.alice-dsl.net [88.44.63.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8859FF for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 17:14:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out.alice-dsl.de ([192.168.125.61]) by smtp-out04.alice-dsl.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 13 May 2013 19:06:07 +0200 Received: from [85.182.18.64] ([85.182.18.64]) by out.alice-dsl.de over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 13 May 2013 19:05:52 +0200 Message-ID: <1368464749.668.30.camel@archlinux> Subject: Re: Bootloader/Replace GRUB From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 19:05:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.8.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2013 17:05:52.0930 (UTC) FILETIME=[201AC020:01CE4FFC] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 17:14:02 -0000 On Mon, 2013-05-13 at 12:41 -0400, Louis Ciotti wrote: > Hello, > > I replaced a Linux partition on my laptop with FreeBSD. Now it will not > but giving me an GRUB error. I assume I have to remove/replace GRUB, as I > will want to dual boot this with a windows partition. > > So being the FreeBSD newbie that I am I am stumped on what to do to correct > this. Unfortunately I need to install Windows to test hardware that is less good supported by Linux and FreeBSD, I guess it should be able to boot Windows by a chainloader. I'm using GRUB2 from Linux to boot between FreeBSD and Linux installs. I converted a GRUB legacy menu.lst to a GRUB 2 grub.cfg using an application doing the work for me, that's why there are strange commands in my grub.cfg [1]. I planned to install Windows first and after that to edit the grub.cfg, but because you need help, I'll google now to help myself too ;). I found this: menuentry "Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (on /dev/sda1)" { insmod fat set root='(hd0,1)' search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 2629-16f0 drivemap -s (hd0) ${root} chainloader +1 } But I guess, it can be written as it's done for my FreeBSD [1], the above entry perhaps is done by this GRUB-auto-thingy, something I don't use. Backup your MBRs (or what ever you're using ;), before you continue ;)! [1] set timeout=8 set default='0'; if [ x"$default" = xsaved ]; then load_env; set default="$saved_entry"; fi set color_normal='light-blue/black'; set color_highlight='light-cyan/blue' menuentry "FreeBSD"{ set root=(hd0,msdos1) chainloader +1 } menuentry 'Ubuntu Quantal, kernel 3.6.5-rt14' { set root='(hd1,9)'; set legacy_hdbias='0' legacy_kernel '/boot/vmlinuz-3.6.5-rt14' '/boot/vmlinuz-3.6.5-rt14' 'root=/dev/sdb9' 'ro' 'quiet' '' legacy_initrd '/boot/initrd.img-3.6.5-rt14' '/boot/initrd.img-3.6.5-rt14' } menuentry 'Ubuntu Quantal, kernel 3.5.0-18-lowlatency threadirqs' { set root='(hd1,9)'; set legacy_hdbias='0' legacy_kernel '/boot/vmlinuz-3.5.0-18-lowlatency' '/boot/vmlinuz-3.5.0-18-lowlatency' 'root=/dev/sdb9' 'ro' 'quiet' 'threadirqs' legacy_initrd '/boot/initrd.img-3.5.0-18-lowlatency' '/boot/initrd.img-3.5.0-18-lowlatency' } menuentry 'Ubuntu Quantal, kernel 3.5.0-18-lowlatency (recovery mode)' { set root='(hd1,9)'; set legacy_hdbias='0' legacy_kernel '/boot/vmlinuz-3.5.0-18-lowlatency' '/boot/vmlinuz-3.5.0-18-lowlatency' 'root=/dev/sdb9' 'ro' 'single' legacy_initrd '/boot/initrd.img-3.5.0-18-lowlatency' '/boot/initrd.img-3.5.0-18-lowlatency' } menuentry 'Ubuntu Studio Quantal, Kernel 3.6.5-rt14' { set root='(hd1,13)'; set legacy_hdbias='0' legacy_kernel '/boot/vmlinuz-3.6.5-rt14' '/boot/vmlinuz-3.6.5-rt14' 'root=/dev/sdb13' 'ro' 'quiet' legacy_initrd '/boot/initrd.img-3.6.5-rt14' '/boot/initrd.img-3.6.5-rt14' } menuentry 'Ubuntu Studio Quantal, Kernel 3.5.0-18-lowlatency threadirqs' { set root='(hd1,13)'; set legacy_hdbias='0' legacy_kernel '/boot/vmlinuz-3.5.0-18-lowlatency' '/boot/vmlinuz-3.5.0-18-lowlatency' 'root=/dev/sdb13' 'ro' 'quiet' 'threadirqs' legacy_initrd '/boot/initrd.img-3.5.0-18-lowlatency' '/boot/initrd.img-3.5.0-18-lowlatency' } menuentry 'Ubuntu Studio Precise, Kernel 3.0.30 threadirqs' { #set root='(hd1,1)'; set legacy_hdbias='0' #legacy_kernel '/boot/vmlinuz-3.0.30' '/boot/vmlinuz-3.0.30' 'root=UUID=338316fb-364e-4a43-8deb-738127f878ce' 'ro' 'quiet' 'threadirqs' set root='(hd2,1)'; set legacy_hdbias='0' legacy_kernel '/boot/vmlinuz-3.0.30' '/boot/vmlinuz-3.0.30' 'root=UUID=948e9fa0-1bb5-4fd4-847c-a7cfbc816a40' 'ro' 'quiet' 'threadirqs' legacy_initrd '/boot/initrd.img-3.0.30' '/boot/initrd.img-3.0.30' } menuentry 'Ubuntu Studio Precise, Kernel 3.2.0-23-lowlatency threadirqs' { #set root='(hd1,1)'; set legacy_hdbias='0' #legacy_kernel '/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-23-lowlatency' '/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-23-lowlatency' 'root=UUID=338316fb-364e-4a43-8deb-738127f878ce' 'ro' 'quiet' 'threadirqs' set root='(hd2,1)'; set legacy_hdbias='0' legacy_kernel '/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-23-lowlatency' '/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-23-lowlatency' 'root=UUID=948e9fa0-1bb5-4fd4-847c-a7cfbc816a40' 'ro' 'quiet' 'threadirqs' legacy_initrd '/boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-23-lowlatency' '/boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-23-lowlatency' } menuentry 'AVlinux 5.0.3, Kernel 3.0.23-rt40' { set root='(hd1,11)'; set legacy_hdbias='0' legacy_kernel '/boot/vmlinuz-3.0.23-rt40' '/boot/vmlinuz-3.0.23-rt40' 'root=/dev/sdb11' 'ro' 'quiet' legacy_initrd '/boot/initrd.img-3.0.23-rt40' '/boot/initrd.img-3.0.23-rt40' } menuentry 'AVlinux 5.0.3, Kernel 3.0.23-avl-7-pae threadirqs' { set root='(hd1,11)'; set legacy_hdbias='0' legacy_kernel '/boot/vmlinuz-3.0.23-avl-7-pae' '/boot/vmlinuz-3.0.23-avl-7-pae' 'root=/dev/sdb11' 'ro' 'threadirqs' 'quiet' legacy_initrd '/boot/initrd.img-3.0.23-avl-7-pae' '/boot/initrd.img-3.0.23-avl-7-pae' } menuentry 'Edubuntu 10.10, Kernel 2.6.33.9-rt31' { set root='(hd1,8)'; set legacy_hdbias='0' legacy_kernel '/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.33.9-rt31' '/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.33.9-rt31' 'root=UUID=ded93dfb-37ae-48cf-a3a3-b613aa5704fd' 'ro' legacy_initrd '/boot/initrd.img-2.6.33.9-rt31' '/boot/initrd.img-2.6.33.9-rt31' } menuentry 'Ubuntu Studio Oz, Kernel 3.0.0-17-generic' { set root='(hd1,6)'; set legacy_hdbias='0' legacy_kernel '/boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-17-generic' '/boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-17-generic' 'root=UUID=0241b2ac-a0ab-44de-8d73-0ed084e152e6' legacy_initrd '/boot/initrd.img-3.0.0-17-generic' '/boot/initrd.img-3.0.0-17-generic' } menuentry 'Ubuntu Studio Oz, Kernel 3.0.0-20-generic' { set root='(hd1,6)'; set legacy_hdbias='0' legacy_kernel '/boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-20-generic' '/boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-20-generic' 'root=UUID=0241b2ac-a0ab-44de-8d73-0ed084e152e6' legacy_initrd '/boot/initrd.img-3.0.0-20-generic' '/boot/initrd.img-3.0.0-20-generic' } menuentry 'Arch Linux Rt' { set root='(hd0,9)'; set legacy_hdbias='0' legacy_kernel '/boot/vmlinuz-linux-rt' '/boot/vmlinuz-linux-rt' 'root=/dev/sda9' 'ro' legacy_initrd '/boot/initramfs-linux-rt.img' '/boot/initramfs-linux-rt.img' } menuentry 'Arch Linux' { set root='(hd0,9)'; set legacy_hdbias='0' legacy_kernel '/boot/vmlinuz-linux' '/boot/vmlinuz-linux' 'root=/dev/sda9' 'ro' legacy_initrd '/boot/initramfs-linux.img' '/boot/initramfs-linux.img' } menuentry 'Arch Linux Fallback' { set root='(hd0,9)'; set legacy_hdbias='0' legacy_kernel '/boot/vmlinuz-linux' '/boot/vmlinuz-linux' 'root=/dev/sda9' 'ro' legacy_initrd '/boot/initramfs-linux-fallback.img' '/boot/initramfs-linux-fallback.img' } menuentry 'openSUSE 11.2, Kernel 2.6.31.6-rt19' { set root='(hd0,7)'; set legacy_hdbias='0' legacy_kernel '/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31.6-rt19' '/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31.6-rt19' 'root=/dev/sda7' legacy_initrd '/boot/initrd-2.6.31.6-rt19' '/boot/initrd-2.6.31.6-rt19' } From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 13 18:13:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B71BA3B9 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 18:13:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-x233.google.com (mail-we0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53661F36 for ; 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[91.91.33.227]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id i4sm17045301wix.10.2013.05.13.11.13.16 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 13 May 2013 11:13:16 -0700 (PDT) From: David Demelier To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: /etc/jail.conf for automatically started jails listed in /etc/rc.conf Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 20:13:08 +0200 Message-ID: <11698066.Kggl9cS1ZD@melon> User-Agent: KMail/4.10.1 (FreeBSD/9.1-RELEASE-p1; KDE/4.10.1; amd64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 18:13:18 -0000 Hello dear, Does jail.conf(5) does not work for jails listed in the rc.conf ? I've added in /etc/jail.conf: foo { hostname=Foo; path=/jails/foo; allow.sysvipc=1; } And in /etc/rc.conf only foo in the jail_list parameter, but when I try to start the jail it still complain about missing hostname. Regards, From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 13 20:32:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B811D4 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 20:32:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E756E8E1 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 20:31:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.10.1] ([173.88.196.224]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 13 May 2013 13:32:00 -0700 Message-ID: <51914DC1.1050207@a1poweruser.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 16:32:01 -0400 From: Joe User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Demelier Subject: Re: /etc/jail.conf for automatically started jails listed in /etc/rc.conf References: <11698066.Kggl9cS1ZD@melon> In-Reply-To: <11698066.Kggl9cS1ZD@melon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2013 20:32:00.0958 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC060DE0:01CE5018] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Authenticated-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-EchoSenderHash: [fbsd8]-[a1poweruser*com] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 20:32:00 -0000 David Demelier wrote: > Hello dear, > > Does jail.conf(5) does not work for jails listed in the rc.conf ? > > I've added in /etc/jail.conf: > > foo { > hostname=Foo; > path=/jails/foo; > allow.sysvipc=1; > } > > And in /etc/rc.conf only foo in the jail_list parameter, but when I try to > start the jail it still complain about missing hostname. > > Regards, > > There are 2 methods for configuring jails. The legacy method which you put the jail config statements in the hosts /etc/rc.conf file and start and stop control is done by the hosts /etc/rc.d/jail script at boot time. The jail(8) method which has it's own jail config statements in the hosts /etc/jail.conf file and uses the jail(8) program for starting and stopping. You can create a jail.conf file for each jail(8) and start it using jail -c -f "/etc/jailname.jail.conf" and stop by issuing jail -f "/etc/jailname.jail.conf" -r jailname You can not mix the 2 methods. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 13 20:42:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 339DB3CF for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 20:42:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-x231.google.com (mail-wg0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0125954 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 20:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f49.google.com with SMTP id j13so6987567wgh.16 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:42:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:user-agent :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type; bh=QtlUaca9rUhEKksOmX6PhIZ28deWAStvo3mm/foVV/0=; b=L3LXdawUNJrJDR+dN+odd/xt+hiMtq+BPWkWJEGhUNtb5LqgSYrbtsDkLDug0gjlnl rWJ4dQPgTirchxHEobJ3Snp2lYaYrh0Af0o+PCu3a/nFH1HT0zIcaupXnCmmBs0NmEtH +sU5aQ3L/0P5btFEXmrq7pQGUvRBATVdeC1hDdZiCuzOYenF/FrEbEKZJcdU0+rRtzsA rtHowHb6LJmja/9EdRgucCoY53ijcqw/klSwOZndkrcXkRbvG/uoQAVmvZIZUhTDge4H b+IUGfcOBKBuQDE7oqqbtODclB8WtSlj/Psz7Xrw9udZ1sdBuMDnJn3Ae5sbTQPGTWL7 xBQg== X-Received: by 10.180.96.69 with SMTP id dq5mr22517686wib.0.1368477775914; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from melon.localnet (227.33.91.91.rev.sfr.net. [91.91.33.227]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id s1sm17896074wiz.2.2013.05.13.13.42.54 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 13 May 2013 13:42:55 -0700 (PDT) From: David Demelier To: Joe Subject: Re: /etc/jail.conf for automatically started jails listed in /etc/rc.conf Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 22:42:47 +0200 Message-ID: <1990818.dWVxsxnVR3@melon> User-Agent: KMail/4.10.1 (FreeBSD/9.1-RELEASE-p1; KDE/4.10.1; amd64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <51914DC1.1050207@a1poweruser.com> References: <11698066.Kggl9cS1ZD@melon> <51914DC1.1050207@a1poweruser.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 20:42:57 -0000 Le lundi 13 mai 2013 16:32:01 Joe a =E9crit : > David Demelier wrote: > > Hello dear, > >=20 > > Does jail.conf(5) does not work for jails listed in the rc.conf ? > >=20 > > I've added in /etc/jail.conf: > >=20 > > foo { > >=20 > > hostname=3DFoo; > > path=3D/jails/foo; > > allow.sysvipc=3D1; > >=20 > > } > >=20 > > And in /etc/rc.conf only foo in the jail_list parameter, but when I= try to > > start the jail it still complain about missing hostname. > >=20 > > Regards, >=20 > There are 2 methods for configuring jails. >=20 > The legacy method which you put the jail config statements in the hos= ts > /etc/rc.conf file and start and stop control is done by the hosts > /etc/rc.d/jail script at boot time. >=20 > The jail(8) method which has it's own jail config statements in the > hosts /etc/jail.conf file and uses the jail(8) program for starting a= nd > stopping. You can create a jail.conf file for each jail(8) and start = it > using jail -c -f "/etc/jailname.jail.conf" and stop by issuing > jail -f "/etc/jailname.jail.conf" -r jailname >=20 > You can not mix the 2 methods. My real problem is that I wanted to add allow.sysvipc only for *one* ja= il and=20 I can't find a real solution by jail_* flags in /etc/rc.conf There is jail_allow_sysvipc but it enable it for all jails. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 13 20:50:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5805ED for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 20:50:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dnewman@networktest.com) Received: from mail3.networktest.com (mail3.networktest.com [69.55.234.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17729AF for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 20:50:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [69.55.234.104]) by mail3.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CC82560D7 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail3.networktest.com ([69.55.234.104]) by localhost (mail3.networktest.com [69.55.234.104]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30309-01 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:41:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp155.eng.networktest.com (ns.networktest.com [205.147.16.129]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: dnewman@networktest.com) by mail3.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7F1202560D2 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:41:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51914FE8.5020603@networktest.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 13:41:12 -0700 From: David Newman Organization: Network Test Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: running iscontrol at boot time X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 20:50:30 -0000 How to configure FreeBSD so that an iSCSI initiator will mount a filesystem on an iSCSI target at boot time? The /boot/loader.conf file has 'iscsi_initiator_load="YES"' but iscontrol does not run at boot time. I believe iscontrol needs to run after the kernel module is loaded but before a filesystem in /etc/fstab is mounted. This works fine manually, but a reboot fails because the FreeBSD box doesn't run iscontrol at boot time, and thus can't mount the filesystem on the iSCSI target. Pardon me if this has been asked before, as it seems like a standard problem, but I couldn't find anything in recent freebsd-scsi archives or in the man pages. I asked on freebsd-scsi about 10 days ago, but never got a response. The initiator runs a generic FreeBSD 8.3-RELEASE/amd64 kernel. Thanks! dn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 13 21:31:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C182E9 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 21:31:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.65]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E8385B57 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 21:31:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [77.238.189.234] by nm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 21:31:21 -0000 Received: from [217.146.189.66] by tm15.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 21:31:20 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp146.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 21:31:20 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1368480680; bh=yCTykpj5yZ/NxwaF4Ey4Le4mqVhIRjw0hCvhhQZsi1Y=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mWP+s9TAGM065vgB8FFuqPq3JZBviK/0FG5Fcm+Nq16uTlbcVi1uGJcSqydzJwc7CyLiToZw60VKehGbVRKspkbDHqm6ryGewDFRbkg7XqZOqUFopAU2yj6WViVXUqDetHpNGUUQHCKSduuNjFB9UIwWZS3BNsermtfIbQxrPTU= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 831689.42848.bm@smtp146.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: eMhf3R4VM1li9j.FZNeXzZdAb6MU_Nq.Q5f_.DM.Gb0OzS3 QBvs5GGobnuvAa1x9ajNJQ3Bduh5szKXCfEp0qCbneApXyxIk_nuvRN1fsqw Xx6e7dh5.qOAG48plJ23cxh3rmjBQLck4VClYBn1WJ4QyiV_oKrnHEGLZDOm bfesk3jBVxAXTx39dbZ9QaATCFEKIUvK256ELxV3T4HsHdae_46uV0XeMdjZ tue7H8fXJdJb.Cz9Xrvd54PvWGRkOvfC56PSTExRXIfcskdJS3aGZ1qYWd8c 6u2wNQcf1pE0lOJMjmxm64D4YPq7WoCY4_0BKJ_ZpRw9pYkyOTRK0kuyjtr2 4Q.sh3tDCHuYmKq9eap2J3ydXXRbEetMGTdwHXVv7BBGpsPrjQtAerEftVA3 THiuDoNxIlGVXu3Rcu3.dBdibzq9b2omPhdU7DTUgjW07oUQvuV1HSkWMlTQ o3l4mkznwrjSAMhE_KhEZRaNCigLGz_6Q1oPk6WUFV.EKWduvuQgmT8FM34E 469985NhfWtTe9GVfrL_rCxvm5g-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- X-Rocket-Received: from [92.224.208.207] (ralf.mardorf@92.224.208.207 with login) by smtp146.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2013 14:31:20 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <1368480675.684.11.camel@archlinux> Subject: Re: Bootloader/Replace GRUB From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 23:31:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1368464749.668.30.camel@archlinux> References: <1368464749.668.30.camel@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.8.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 21:31:23 -0000 This one is tricky, but it does work. I've got two SATA HDDs, Linux names are sda and sdb. /dev/sda1 is ufs including my FreeBSD and /dev/sdb1 is ntfs including the Windows XP install, there are many other installs, all of them are Linux distros. To install XP on /dev/sdb1 I had to disconnect /dev/sda1. "With Windows This assumes that your Windows partition is sda3. Remember you need to point set root and chainloader to the system reserve partition that windows made when it installed, not the actual partition windows is on. This example works if your system reserve partition is sda3. # (2) Windows XP menuentry "Windows XP" { set root=(hd0,3) chainloader (hd0,3)+1 } If the Windows bootloader is on an entirely different hard drive than GRUB, it may be necessary to trick Windows into believing that it is the first hard drive. This was possible with drivemap. Assuming GRUB is on hd0 and Windows is on hd2, you need to add the following after set root: drivemap -s hd0 hd2" - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Grub#Dual-booting So for my grub.cfg on a Linux on /dev/sdb9, resp. inside the MBR of sda, I need to add a chainloader. [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat /mnt/q/boot/grub/grub.cfg set timeout=8 set default='0'; if [ x"$default" = xsaved ]; then load_env; set default="$saved_entry"; fi set color_normal='light-blue/black'; set color_highlight='light-cyan/blue' menuentry "FreeBSD"{ set root=(hd0,msdos1) chainloader +1 } menuentry "XP"{ set root=(hd1,1) drivemap -s hd0 hd1 chainloader +1 } menuentry 'Ubuntu Quantal, kernel 3.6.5-rt14' { set root='(hd1,9)'; set legacy_hdbias='0' legacy_kernel '/boot/vmlinuz-3.6.5-rt14' '/boot/vmlinuz-3.6.5-rt14' 'root=/dev/sdb9' 'ro' 'quiet' '' legacy_initrd '/boot/initrd.img-3.6.5-rt14' '/boot/initrd.img-3.6.5-rt14' } [snip] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 14 00:44:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976BA251 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 00:44:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85AD634B for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 00:44:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.10.1] ([173.88.196.224]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 13 May 2013 17:44:51 -0700 Message-ID: <519188FD.7010900@a1poweruser.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 20:44:45 -0400 From: Joe User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Demelier Subject: Re: /etc/jail.conf for automatically started jails listed in /etc/rc.conf References: <11698066.Kggl9cS1ZD@melon> <51914DC1.1050207@a1poweruser.com> <1990818.dWVxsxnVR3@melon> In-Reply-To: <1990818.dWVxsxnVR3@melon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2013 00:44:51.0945 (UTC) FILETIME=[3EA2F590:01CE503C] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Authenticated-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-EchoSenderHash: [fbsd8]-[a1poweruser*com] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 00:44:50 -0000 David Demelier wrote: > Le lundi 13 mai 2013 16:32:01 Joe a écrit : >> David Demelier wrote: >>> Hello dear, >>> >>> Does jail.conf(5) does not work for jails listed in the rc.conf ? >>> >>> I've added in /etc/jail.conf: >>> >>> foo { >>> >>> hostname=Foo; >>> path=/jails/foo; >>> allow.sysvipc=1; >>> >>> } >>> >>> And in /etc/rc.conf only foo in the jail_list parameter, but when I try to >>> start the jail it still complain about missing hostname. >>> >>> Regards, >> There are 2 methods for configuring jails. >> >> The legacy method which you put the jail config statements in the hosts >> /etc/rc.conf file and start and stop control is done by the hosts >> /etc/rc.d/jail script at boot time. >> >> The jail(8) method which has it's own jail config statements in the >> hosts /etc/jail.conf file and uses the jail(8) program for starting and >> stopping. You can create a jail.conf file for each jail(8) and start it >> using jail -c -f "/etc/jailname.jail.conf" and stop by issuing >> jail -f "/etc/jailname.jail.conf" -r jailname >> >> You can not mix the 2 methods. > > My real problem is that I wanted to add allow.sysvipc only for *one* jail and > I can't find a real solution by jail_* flags in /etc/rc.conf > > There is jail_allow_sysvipc but it enable it for all jails. > > The jail(8) method does have a allow_sysvipc on a per jail basis. To use it you have to use the jail(8) method. The 9.1-RELEASE legacy method is a work in process to incorporate the jail(8) parameters into the rc.conf config statements. About the allow_sysvipc parameter, this breaks the security the jail is designed to provide and should NOT be used on any jails having public internet access. What are you trying to do that you think you need to use the allow_sysvipc parameter? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 14 04:11:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5AC4BCE for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 04:11:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net [IPv6:2001:44b8:8060:ff02:300:1:2:7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72741F17 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 04:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ppp247-71.static.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([203.122.247.71]) by ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 14 May 2013 13:40:58 +0930 Message-ID: <5191B950.4040402@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 13:40:56 +0930 From: Shane Ambler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Subject: Re: ZFS mirror install /mnt is empty References: <5190058D.2030705@micite.net> <472E17AF-B249-4FD3-8F5E-716F8B7867F5@kraus-haus.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Paul Kraus , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 04:11:02 -0000 > On Mon, 13 May 2013 08:40-0400, Paul Kraus wrote: >> On May 13, 2013, at 1:58 AM, Trond Endrestøl wrote: >>> Due to advances in hard drive technology, for the worse I'm >>> afraid, i.e. 4K disk blocks, I wouldn't bother enabling >>> compression on any ZFS file systems. I might change my blog posts >>> to reflect this stop gap. > I guess it's due to my (mis)understanding that files shorter than > 4KB stored on 4K drives never will be subject to compression. And as > you state below, the degree of compression depends largely on the > data at hand. I don't want to start a big discussion but want to express an opinion that others may think about. When it comes to disk compression I think people overlook the fact that it can impact on more than one level. The size of disks these days means that compression doesn't make a big difference to storage capacity for most people and 4k blocks mean little change in final disk space used. One thing people seem to miss is the fact that compressed files are going to reduce the amount of data sent through the bottle neck that is the wire between motherboard and drive. While a 3k file compressed to 1k still uses a 4k block on disk it does (should) reduce the true data transferred to disk. Given a 9.1 source tree using 865M, if it compresses to 400M then it is going to reduce the time to read the entire tree during compilation. This would impact a 32 thread build more than a 4 thread build. While it is said that compression adds little overhead, time wise, it is going to take time to compress the data which is going to increase latency. Going from a 6ms platter disk latency to a 0.2ms SSD latency gives a noticeable improvement to responsiveness. Adding compression is going to bring that back up - possibly higher than 6ms. Together these two factors may level out the total time to read a file. One question there is whether the zfs cache uses compressed file data therefore keeping the latency while eliminating the bandwidth. Personally I have compression turned off (desktop). My thought is that the latency added for compression would negate the bandwidth savings. For a file server I would consider turning it on as network overhead is going to hide the latency. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 14 04:37:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 434E0E08 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 04:37:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E2FFD0 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 04:37:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D83C73B2A2 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 21:37:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Hot Swapping SATA drive? Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 21:37:22 -0700 Message-ID: <26657.1368506242@server1.tristatelogic.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 04:37:28 -0000 I bought one of these things awhile ago: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004LXJXSW/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 So far, it seems to be working just peachy, but I have yet to do anything the least bit adventurous with it, such as trying to either insert a drive into it or remove a drive from it while the system is powered on (and running FreeBSD). I just now tried to read up a little bit on all of this ACPI stuff, but my eyes are starting to glaze over. So if someone would answer these simple and obvious questions, I'd appreciate it: 1) Given a system running FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE, is anything bad gonna happen if I insert a drive into this thing while the system is running? Will I be able to mount partitions contained on the drive in question after I do so? 2) Given a system running FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE, is anything bad gonna happen if I remove a drive from this thing while the system is running, assuming that I have already properly umounted all relevant partitions first? 3) Assuming that I want to do this stuff, what BIOS options should I be setting or unsetting on the motherboard? Please excuse my ignorance, but I've never done this stuff before. P.S. I am _not_ using ZFS. P.P.S. Motherboard is ASRock N68C-GS FX. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 14 06:50:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64998A5B for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 06:50:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-x235.google.com (mail-we0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D2A5EE for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 06:50:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f181.google.com with SMTP id q55so121851wes.26 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 23:50:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BfJT1hrqTQjEb5N0pzeRUVVzO/ysQIdBx2FUxo1N6YM=; b=knQYa+Yw8fDYAlcjM2OOKpS0GdtUrVwB98+pvYqtDQ4HBsR6mnlyo1nwWlAWNlVpYl 5PTmkSXKvb0hRsZlN8APqHiVz+RlKOfQDolDa6V2+XHIOYJ+nx8JQICslwIUef2wwxzb hsHF7TeOc/rrP0DdE2NJYv4zGPdOcfHwrPao6SqN5yiX6WBHAA3LF7hy1969sgN1XVdb xizcvZceO9Qu5XPnpmu/Hmf3XINb4ncc0Yjm53LFRg7rAciyukcBHqskp2yRMC4v8OpB Ezx5IZq40CaaaaLQ/E3U33LzUxNAJ520bJ/T1d5n7AnFkxiQvD1h0TlgBCLawRbXtl18 2g5w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.14.129 with SMTP id p1mr3369331wic.6.1368514233148; Mon, 13 May 2013 23:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.165.67 with HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2013 23:50:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <519188FD.7010900@a1poweruser.com> References: <11698066.Kggl9cS1ZD@melon> <51914DC1.1050207@a1poweruser.com> <1990818.dWVxsxnVR3@melon> <519188FD.7010900@a1poweruser.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 08:50:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: /etc/jail.conf for automatically started jails listed in /etc/rc.conf From: David Demelier To: Joe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 06:50:34 -0000 2013/5/14 Joe : > David Demelier wrote: >> >> Le lundi 13 mai 2013 16:32:01 Joe a =C3=A9crit : >>> >>> David Demelier wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello dear, >>>> >>>> Does jail.conf(5) does not work for jails listed in the rc.conf ? >>>> >>>> I've added in /etc/jail.conf: >>>> >>>> foo { >>>> >>>> hostname=3DFoo; >>>> path=3D/jails/foo; >>>> allow.sysvipc=3D1; >>>> >>>> } >>>> >>>> And in /etc/rc.conf only foo in the jail_list parameter, but when I tr= y >>>> to >>>> start the jail it still complain about missing hostname. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>> >>> There are 2 methods for configuring jails. >>> >>> The legacy method which you put the jail config statements in the hosts >>> /etc/rc.conf file and start and stop control is done by the hosts >>> /etc/rc.d/jail script at boot time. >>> >>> The jail(8) method which has it's own jail config statements in the >>> hosts /etc/jail.conf file and uses the jail(8) program for starting and >>> stopping. You can create a jail.conf file for each jail(8) and start it >>> using jail -c -f "/etc/jailname.jail.conf" and stop by issuing >>> jail -f "/etc/jailname.jail.conf" -r jailname >>> >>> You can not mix the 2 methods. >> >> >> My real problem is that I wanted to add allow.sysvipc only for *one* jai= l >> and I can't find a real solution by jail_* flags in /etc/rc.conf >> >> There is jail_allow_sysvipc but it enable it for all jails. >> >> > > > The jail(8) method does have a allow_sysvipc on a per jail basis. To use = it > you have to use the jail(8) method. The 9.1-RELEASE legacy method is a wo= rk > in process to incorporate the jail(8) parameters into the rc.conf config > statements. > > About the allow_sysvipc parameter, this breaks the security the jail is > designed to provide and should NOT be used on any jails having public > internet access. > > What are you trying to do that you think you need to use the allow_sysvip= c > parameter? > PostgreSQL, usually I install it on the host instead of jails, but I needed a second instance on a different port for a public access.. 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Guilmette" Subject: Hot Swapping SATA drive? In-Reply-To: <26657.1368506242@server1.tristatelogic.com> References: <26657.1368506242@server1.tristatelogic.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 22) "Instant Classic" XEmacs Lucid Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 11:45:24 -0000 Ronald F. Guilmette writes: > I bought one of these things awhile ago: > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004LXJXSW/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I believe I have a similar object, only a) external (eSATA), b) from a different manufacturer, and c) connected to a -CURRENT system. I use it as a backup device. > I just now tried to read up a little bit on all of this ACPI > stuff, but my eyes are starting to glaze over. So if someone > would answer these simple and obvious questions, I'd appreciate > it: > > 1) Given a system running FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE, is anything bad > gonna happen if I insert a drive into this thing while the system > is running? Will I be able to mount partitions contained on the > drive in question after I do so? That works for me. I need to re-scan the ata channel using "atacontrol" but once that happens it's fine. > 2) Given a system running FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE, is anything bad > gonna happen if I remove a drive from this thing while the system > is running, assuming that I have already properly umounted all > relevant partitions first? Nothing bad happened to me. > 3) Assuming that I want to do this stuff, what BIOS options > should I be setting or unsetting on the motherboard? I am unable to check the BIOS settings on that MB (which may be ASrock as well), but I don't believe I had to do anything other hand make sure eSATA was enabled. > Please excuse my ignorance, but I've never done this stuff > before. I remember the nerves when I tried this. You should be fine, Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 14 12:55:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE6B0D2A for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:55:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78B7F96F for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:55:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-13-38.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.13.38]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93AA276C9; Tue, 14 May 2013 14:47:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r4EClLuU001887; Tue, 14 May 2013 14:47:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 14:47:21 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Robert Huff Subject: Re: Hot Swapping SATA drive? Message-Id: <20130514144721.aa321c25.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20882.9169.697806.928200@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <26657.1368506242@server1.tristatelogic.com> <20882.9169.697806.928200@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Ronald F. Guilmette" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 12:55:24 -0000 On Tue, 14 May 2013 07:45:21 -0400, Robert Huff wrote: > > Ronald F. Guilmette writes: > > 1) Given a system running FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE, is anything bad > > gonna happen if I insert a drive into this thing while the system > > is running? Will I be able to mount partitions contained on the > > drive in question after I do so? > > That works for me. I need to re-scan the ata channel using > "atacontrol" but once that happens it's fine. Isn't that supposed to be "camcontrol" today? I've been using SCSI "hot swap" devices for many years, and they usually required a re-scan of the bus. The same often works for USB-connected devices which also use CAM, and maybe SATA and eSATA also support it today? > > 2) Given a system running FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE, is anything bad > > gonna happen if I remove a drive from this thing while the system > > is running, assuming that I have already properly umounted all > > relevant partitions first? > > Nothing bad happened to me. Again, it may be nice (to the system) to detach the ATA device from the bus; see "man atacontrol" (and "man camcontrol" in comparison) for the proper command to do this. From the "electrical point of view", there should be no problem. > > 3) Assuming that I want to do this stuff, what BIOS options > > should I be setting or unsetting on the motherboard? > > I am unable to check the BIOS settings on that MB (which may be > ASrock as well), but I don't believe I had to do anything other hand > make sure eSATA was enabled. The only thing that might be worth looking at in the CMOS setup would be the "method" of the driver, making the device come up as da0 (for example) or ada0, depending if EHCI or XHCI can be selected. But I assume this only applies to USB devices (and maybe Firewire). SATA should work fine with the default settings. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b11sm3198820wiv.10.2013.05.14.05.57.42 for (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 14 May 2013 05:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 13:57:41 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hot Swapping SATA drive? Message-ID: <20130514135741.77d69996@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20882.9169.697806.928200@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <26657.1368506242@server1.tristatelogic.com> <20882.9169.697806.928200@jerusalem.litteratus.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.17; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 12:57:55 -0000 On Tue, 14 May 2013 07:45:21 -0400 Robert Huff wrote: > > Ronald F. Guilmette writes: > > > 3) Assuming that I want to do this stuff, what BIOS options > > should I be setting or unsetting on the motherboard? > > I am unable to check the BIOS settings on that MB (which may > be ASrock as well), but I don't believe I had to do anything other > hand make sure eSATA was enabled. I don't there there is any difference between SATA and eSATA above the physical layer. I'm not sure what that setting would do. You do need to set the SATA channel to AHCI. Note that this may require Windows to be updated if it's on a the same drive or if it's on a a group of channels that's switched collectively. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 14 13:15:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A796DD6 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:15:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: from mail-ve0-x235.google.com (mail-ve0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c01::235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66664A4D for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:15:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f181.google.com with SMTP id pb11so477887veb.40 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 06:15:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=BW1a1s4ktC5sQuEpiHjGXccRiiqy/T80ZlPQkwCVWy0=; b=Y7aJ8gKSx79wcXlv3KbbQMufTApvje6/fw6LNW2Uk93Vibvkxr2ROgHDljsKD1tsxm 7mIKUnyHjAGXv0keZsZcLawuTqxoIxROTl9xnjLUltQ5Yda1MX1EvhcARq8JeaS/nMVP DS5fmOdFkhDiPYCpR5vUfJRe3Ds4Q56TaZlSUEatpVU2539QAXprgWH72nxcUIU6XWyO 71J5v1tZ6qPA1XE01xSV5wTiz2o8nH7TNg2OPtHfkHUmFhI1nXe0esq8T5VABtS9SlIH TW6TS+8ALGLn8UaVh7GrhOhJBs0Tk3t629RC17KzrcYMCJw7eJVoBdikqlbPY6GwGnkU w+8Q== X-Received: by 10.58.200.131 with SMTP id js3mr21704448vec.33.1368537334466; Tue, 14 May 2013 06:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.66] ([96.236.21.119]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id mw6sm6055678vec.7.2013.05.14.06.15.33 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 14 May 2013 06:15:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: ZFS mirror install /mnt is empty Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: <5191B950.4040402@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 09:15:32 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <5190058D.2030705@micite.net> <472E17AF-B249-4FD3-8F5E-716F8B7867F5@kraus-haus.org> <5191B950.4040402@ShaneWare.Biz> To: Shane Ambler X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkoau+7YbyX5D6+7Py42y70cpv5NugrMH+veJxsNGNSGoLhi4eWJaSqjs39hWnso/6QaDt2 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List" , =?windows-1252?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 13:15:35 -0000 On May 14, 2013, at 12:10 AM, Shane Ambler = wrote: > When it comes to disk compression I think people overlook the fact = that > it can impact on more than one level. Compression has effects at multiple levels: 1) CPU resources to compress (and decompress) the data 2) Disk space used 3) I/O to/from disks > The size of disks these days means that compression doesn't make a big > difference to storage capacity for most people and 4k blocks mean = little > change in final disk space used. The 4K block issue is *huge* if the majority of your data is = less than 4K files. It is also large when you consider that a 5K file = will not occupy 8K on disk. I am not a UFS on FreeBSD expert, but UFS on = Solaris uses a default block size of 4K but has a fragment size of 1K. = So files are stored on disk with 1K resolution (so to speak). By going = to a 4K minimum block size you are forcing all data up to the next 4K = boundary. Now, if the majority of your data is in large files (1MB or = more), then the 4K minimum black size probably gets lost in the noise. The other factor is the actual compressibility of the data. Most = media files (JPEG, MPEG, GIF, PNG, MP3, AAC, etc.) are already = compressed and trying to compress them again is not likely to garner any = real reduction inn size. In my experience with the default compression = algorithm (lzjb), even uncompressed audio files (.AIFF or .WAV) do not = compress enough to make the CPU overhead worthwhile. > One thing people seem to miss is the fact that compressed files are > going to reduce the amount of data sent through the bottle neck that = is > the wire between motherboard and drive. While a 3k file compressed to = 1k > still uses a 4k block on disk it does (should) reduce the true data > transferred to disk. Given a 9.1 source tree using 865M, if it > compresses to 400M then it is going to reduce the time to read the > entire tree during compilation. This would impact a 32 thread build = more > than a 4 thread build. If the data does not compress well, then you get hit with the = CPU overhead of compression to no bandwidth or space benefit. How = compressible is the source tree ? [Not a loaded question, I haven't = tried to compress it] > While it is said that compression adds little overhead, time wise, Compression most certainly DOES add overhead in terms of time, = based on the speed of your CPU and how busy your system is. My home = server is an HP Proliant Micro with a dual core AMD N36 running at 1.3 = GHz. Turning on compression hurts performance *if* I am getting less = than 1.2:1 compression ratio (5 drive RAIDz2 of 1TB Enterprise disks). = Above that the I/O bandwidth reduction due to the compression makes up = for the lost CPU cycles. I have managed servers where each case = prevailed=85 CPU limited so compression hurt performance and I/O limited = where compression helped performance. > it is > going to take time to compress the data which is going to increase > latency. Going from a 6ms platter disk latency to a 0.2ms SSD latency > gives a noticeable improvement to responsiveness. Adding compression = is > going to bring that back up - possibly higher than 6ms. Interesting point. I am not sure of the data flow through the = code to know if compression has a defined latency component, or is just = throughput limited by CPU cycles to do the compression. > Together these two factors may level out the total time to read a = file. >=20 > One question there is whether the zfs cache uses compressed file data > therefore keeping the latency while eliminating the bandwidth. Data cached in the ZFS ARC or L2ARC is uncompressed. Data sent = via zfs send / zfs receive is uncompressed; there had been talk of an = option to send / receive compressed data, but I do not think it has gone = anywhere. > Personally I have compression turned off (desktop). My thought is that > the latency added for compression would negate the bandwidth savings. >=20 > For a file server I would consider turning it on as network overhead = is > going to hide the latency. Once again, it all depends on the compressibility of the data, = the available CPU resources, the speed of the CPU resources, and the I/O = bandwidth to/from the drives. Note also that RAIDz (RAIDz2, RAIDz3) have their own = computational overhead, so compression may be a bigger advantage in this = case than in the case of a mirror, as the RAID code will have less data = to process after being compressed. -- Paul Kraus Deputy Technical Director, LoneStarCon 3 Sound Coordinator, Schenectady Light Opera Company From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 14 13:20:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C341D1 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:20:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32354A89 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.10.1] ([173.88.196.224]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 14 May 2013 06:20:11 -0700 Message-ID: <51923A06.7020206@a1poweruser.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 09:20:06 -0400 From: Joe User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Demelier Subject: Re: /etc/jail.conf for automatically started jails listed in /etc/rc.conf References: <11698066.Kggl9cS1ZD@melon> <51914DC1.1050207@a1poweruser.com> <1990818.dWVxsxnVR3@melon> <519188FD.7010900@a1poweruser.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2013 13:20:11.0692 (UTC) FILETIME=[C34F8EC0:01CE50A5] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Authenticated-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-EchoSenderHash: [fbsd8]-[a1poweruser*com] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 13:20:16 -0000 David Demelier wrote: > 2013/5/14 Joe : >> David Demelier wrote: >>> Le lundi 13 mai 2013 16:32:01 Joe a écrit : >>>> David Demelier wrote: >>>>> Hello dear, >>>>> >>>>> Does jail.conf(5) does not work for jails listed in the rc.conf ? >>>>> >>>>> I've added in /etc/jail.conf: >>>>> >>>>> foo { >>>>> >>>>> hostname=Foo; >>>>> path=/jails/foo; >>>>> allow.sysvipc=1; >>>>> >>>>> } >>>>> >>>>> And in /etc/rc.conf only foo in the jail_list parameter, but when I try >>>>> to >>>>> start the jail it still complain about missing hostname. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>> There are 2 methods for configuring jails. >>>> >>>> The legacy method which you put the jail config statements in the hosts >>>> /etc/rc.conf file and start and stop control is done by the hosts >>>> /etc/rc.d/jail script at boot time. >>>> >>>> The jail(8) method which has it's own jail config statements in the >>>> hosts /etc/jail.conf file and uses the jail(8) program for starting and >>>> stopping. You can create a jail.conf file for each jail(8) and start it >>>> using jail -c -f "/etc/jailname.jail.conf" and stop by issuing >>>> jail -f "/etc/jailname.jail.conf" -r jailname >>>> >>>> You can not mix the 2 methods. >>> >>> My real problem is that I wanted to add allow.sysvipc only for *one* jail >>> and I can't find a real solution by jail_* flags in /etc/rc.conf >>> >>> There is jail_allow_sysvipc but it enable it for all jails. >>> >>> >> >> The jail(8) method does have a allow_sysvipc on a per jail basis. To use it >> you have to use the jail(8) method. The 9.1-RELEASE legacy method is a work >> in process to incorporate the jail(8) parameters into the rc.conf config >> statements. >> >> About the allow_sysvipc parameter, this breaks the security the jail is >> designed to provide and should NOT be used on any jails having public >> internet access. >> >> What are you trying to do that you think you need to use the allow_sysvipc >> parameter? >> > > PostgreSQL, usually I install it on the host instead of jails, but I > needed a second instance on a different port for a public access.. > > Regards, > > -- > Demelier David > > That all sounds logical and is what jails are designed to do. Why would running PostgreSQL in a jail need sysvipc? Have you tried it? Did you get some PostgreSQL error? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 14 13:31:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12140419 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:31:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (24-240-198-187.static.stls.mo.charter.com [24.240.198.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A8AAEF for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:31:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.dweimer.net (webmail.dweimer.local [192.168.5.2]) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r4EDVXG2034012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 08:31:33 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 08:31:33 -0500 From: dweimer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /etc/jail.conf for automatically started jails listed in /etc/rc.conf Organization: dweimer.net Mail-Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net In-Reply-To: <51923A06.7020206@a1poweruser.com> References: "\"<11698066.Kggl9cS1ZD@melon> <51914DC1.1050207@a1poweruser.com>" <1990818.dWVxsxnVR3@melon>" <519188FD.7010900@a1poweruser.com> <51923A06.7020206@a1poweruser.com> Message-ID: X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 13:31:41 -0000 On 05/14/2013 8:20 am, Joe wrote: > David Demelier wrote: > 2013/5/14 Joe : > David Demelier wrote: > Le lundi 13 mai 2013 16:32:01 Joe a écrit : > David Demelier wrote: > Hello dear, > > Does jail.conf(5) does not work for jails listed in the rc.conf ? > > I've added in /etc/jail.conf: > > foo { > > hostname=Foo; > path=/jails/foo; > allow.sysvipc=1; > > } > > And in /etc/rc.conf only foo in the jail_list parameter, but when I try > to > start the jail it still complain about missing hostname. > > Regards, > There are 2 methods for configuring jails. > > The legacy method which you put the jail config statements in the hosts > /etc/rc.conf file and start and stop control is done by the hosts > /etc/rc.d/jail script at boot time. > > The jail(8) method which has it's own jail config statements in the > hosts /etc/jail.conf file and uses the jail(8) program for starting and > stopping. You can create a jail.conf file for each jail(8) and start it > using jail -c -f "/etc/jailname.jail.conf" and stop by issuing > jail -f "/etc/jailname.jail.conf" -r jailname > > You can not mix the 2 methods. > > My real problem is that I wanted to add allow.sysvipc only for *one* > jail > and I can't find a real solution by jail_* flags in /etc/rc.conf > > There is jail_allow_sysvipc but it enable it for all jails. > > > > The jail(8) method does have a allow_sysvipc on a per jail basis. To > use it > you have to use the jail(8) method. The 9.1-RELEASE legacy method is a > work > in process to incorporate the jail(8) parameters into the rc.conf > config > statements. > > About the allow_sysvipc parameter, this breaks the security the jail is > designed to provide and should NOT be used on any jails having public > internet access. > > What are you trying to do that you think you need to use the > allow_sysvipc > parameter? > > > PostgreSQL, usually I install it on the host instead of jails, but I > needed a second instance on a different port for a public access.. > > Regards, > > -- > Demelier David > > That all sounds logical and is what jails are designed to do. > Why would running PostgreSQL in a jail need sysvipc? > Have you tried it? Did you get some PostgreSQL error? > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I can confirm that PostgreSQL will not run in a jail without sysvipc enabled, I just setup a jail running PostgreSQL a few weeks ago and had to do that as well. PostgreSQL will not start without it enabled, though perhaps there is some setting change in PostgreSQL that will make it not require this. In my case its the only jail, and I am the only user with access to both the base system and the jail so I wasn't to concerned about it allowing more access to the base system from the jail. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 14 15:38:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D4B6C for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 15:38:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-x22b.google.com (mail-we0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::22b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82AF6280 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 15:38:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f171.google.com with SMTP id u55so629868wes.16 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 08:38:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5C3Pgxnr4+GCfXAjh16uxHZzsjcfhvT7ZwGewvrJwwQ=; b=IUGaZzvYErc86BqUU3vzw8Yk8yr+Wav2SdqLf1kyMQtWy4T5HCtT845Z27byTZRT6y lPJ7k74E1WSDG2bEedeIJxFxs059IOOG4hgBHjGcvjkVIH0hpDzaMVvcd7ShWMvR1I6l FBWehiBEExbZRXRaGYN0Gxa2lw+2oJCCcohp5A2QOXv0aiWOH+kdeZZ3TGB9ox51+FV0 BVW9RND9vri9T3/6vhhrSu9jUsnyTWEyUy8NP5pgUjE3iG9tz6u2HW8uZPb9UGMP8SOK Ax7LlZTPXAIURymMs5Y9vZmcw9gugSiveErOPSzetBDRybTxwJY9DfuNPJRYyLUOez50 ei4w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.14.129 with SMTP id p1mr7746030wic.6.1368545917744; Tue, 14 May 2013 08:38:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.165.67 with HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2013 08:38:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51923A06.7020206@a1poweruser.com> References: <11698066.Kggl9cS1ZD@melon> <51914DC1.1050207@a1poweruser.com> <1990818.dWVxsxnVR3@melon> <519188FD.7010900@a1poweruser.com> <51923A06.7020206@a1poweruser.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 17:38:37 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: /etc/jail.conf for automatically started jails listed in /etc/rc.conf From: David Demelier To: Joe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 15:38:39 -0000 2013/5/14 Joe : > David Demelier wrote: >> >> 2013/5/14 Joe : >>> >>> David Demelier wrote: >>>> >>>> Le lundi 13 mai 2013 16:32:01 Joe a =C3=A9crit : >>>>> >>>>> David Demelier wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello dear, >>>>>> >>>>>> Does jail.conf(5) does not work for jails listed in the rc.conf ? >>>>>> >>>>>> I've added in /etc/jail.conf: >>>>>> >>>>>> foo { >>>>>> >>>>>> hostname=3DFoo; >>>>>> path=3D/jails/foo; >>>>>> allow.sysvipc=3D1; >>>>>> >>>>>> } >>>>>> >>>>>> And in /etc/rc.conf only foo in the jail_list parameter, but when I >>>>>> try >>>>>> to >>>>>> start the jail it still complain about missing hostname. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> There are 2 methods for configuring jails. >>>>> >>>>> The legacy method which you put the jail config statements in the hos= ts >>>>> /etc/rc.conf file and start and stop control is done by the hosts >>>>> /etc/rc.d/jail script at boot time. >>>>> >>>>> The jail(8) method which has it's own jail config statements in the >>>>> hosts /etc/jail.conf file and uses the jail(8) program for starting a= nd >>>>> stopping. You can create a jail.conf file for each jail(8) and start = it >>>>> using jail -c -f "/etc/jailname.jail.conf" and stop by issuing >>>>> jail -f "/etc/jailname.jail.conf" -r jailname >>>>> >>>>> You can not mix the 2 methods. >>>> >>>> >>>> My real problem is that I wanted to add allow.sysvipc only for *one* >>>> jail >>>> and I can't find a real solution by jail_* flags in /etc/rc.conf >>>> >>>> There is jail_allow_sysvipc but it enable it for all jails. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> The jail(8) method does have a allow_sysvipc on a per jail basis. To us= e >>> it >>> you have to use the jail(8) method. The 9.1-RELEASE legacy method is a >>> work >>> in process to incorporate the jail(8) parameters into the rc.conf confi= g >>> statements. >>> >>> About the allow_sysvipc parameter, this breaks the security the jail is >>> designed to provide and should NOT be used on any jails having public >>> internet access. >>> >>> What are you trying to do that you think you need to use the >>> allow_sysvipc >>> parameter? >>> >> >> PostgreSQL, usually I install it on the host instead of jails, but I >> needed a second instance on a different port for a public access.. >> >> Regards, >> >> -- >> Demelier David >> >> > That all sounds logical and is what jails are designed to do. > Why would running PostgreSQL in a jail need sysvipc? > Have you tried it? Did you get some PostgreSQL error? > Yes, unfortunately this is a very very old issue that has been reported so much often.. -- Demelier David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 14 16:38:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C3FF24 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 16:38:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9AC7944 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 16:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.2.117.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r4EGciuK013927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:38:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk r4EGciuK013927 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/r4EGciuK013927; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none (unprotected policy) Message-ID: <5192688D.7090606@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 17:38:37 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /etc/jail.conf for automatically started jails listed in /etc/rc.conf References: "\"<11698066.Kggl9cS1ZD@melon> <51914DC1.1050207@a1poweruser.com>" <1990818.dWVxsxnVR3@melon>" <519188FD.7010900@a1poweruser.com> <51923A06.7020206@a1poweruser.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="----enig2PRFQEGLNIARKOCXVSAJL" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.8 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 16:38:55 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) ------enig2PRFQEGLNIARKOCXVSAJL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 14/05/2013 14:31, dweimer wrote: > I can confirm that PostgreSQL will not run in a jail without sysvipc > enabled, I just setup a jail running PostgreSQL a few weeks ago and had= > to do that as well. PostgreSQL will not start without it enabled, > though perhaps there is some setting change in PostgreSQL that will mak= e > it not require this. In my case its the only jail, and I am the only > user with access to both the base system and the jail so I wasn't to > concerned about it allowing more access to the base system from the jai= l. postgresql-9.3beta1 was announced a few days ago, and one of the key new features is switching largely away from sysvipc to mmap for shared memory= =2E http://www.postgresql.org/docs/devel/static/release-9-3.html Unfortunately I don't think it's entirely sysV IPC free yet. But postgresql93 is available in ports. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey ------enig2PRFQEGLNIARKOCXVSAJL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlGSaJMACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwR+ACfXwI1rPZ7ZpAyLPeTf8Qnhb30 COwAniCrJSuiqbzMG1BUq78EM6z9hJpk =rdU4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------enig2PRFQEGLNIARKOCXVSAJL-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 14 17:14:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F59C61 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:14:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9CE0B75 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.net (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r4EHEHNt073901; Tue, 14 May 2013 19:14:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1FC4C12316; Tue, 14 May 2013 19:14:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 19:14:17 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Xavier Subject: Re: can't compile lang/gcc port Message-ID: <20130514171417.GB25885@slackbox.erewhon.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XF85m9dhOBO43t/C" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 17:14:19 -0000 --XF85m9dhOBO43t/C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 03:59:26PM +0200, Xavier wrote: > Hi to all, >=20 > I can't compile lang/gcc port. >=20 > The last lines of error: Unfortunately the real error happens _above_ the lines that you showed.=20 > else \ > exit 1; \ > fi; \ > else true; \ > fi; \ > fi; \ > done; \ > fi > gmake[5]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc/work/build/i386-portbld-= freebsd > 9.1/libstdc++-v3' > gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc/work/build/i386-portbld-= freebsd [snip]=20 > Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc. > *** [build] Error code 1 >=20 > Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc. =20 > Somebody can help me ? There is probably a compiler error somewhere before the lines that you post= ed. Can you show a little bit more? Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --XF85m9dhOBO43t/C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAlGScOkACgkQEnfvsMMhpyUc9wCdH+ovqGMnoaNP/Dfr8wDDvZG9 7VUAnR1tmsM9PwPjhsnU3d/BZzVWUQP3 =0LEt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --XF85m9dhOBO43t/C-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 14 19:14:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4BC5E3 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 19:14:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xavierfreebsdquestions@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qe0-f49.google.com (mail-qe0-f49.google.com [209.85.128.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2808934F for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 19:14:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qe0-f49.google.com with SMTP id 7so746782qeb.36 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:14:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8Xt/ddkaamiAGFazwjL/r/+XuHk3mnQeRhZVpl3Wgh4=; b=tcGuvM6a1/6uaHCcEwozaCosr84Y/NOIZI7yaNUsd/jAkcm4q+fSsAKEYwWi/cmeTd qNfxg+rGhsESADwQXWQ7LaF4i3eOr77JN5UiX7rgL9jGBfPuvvMhgouvFzVFoo6os3rV o6sXBGL53BAQMAkJsVpXrw+658TQy7OgH7fAD2SrtlckXhIjEXieGj23vc0UwYvlPFDs 7/vLHIAP2erWz84geUHS8BwDPvQOLQIYw8e4CBNA8IRYch91X+XNC/zxbbvbxgevqI/y 3AMZwwlAeCvaOCKeHgVOXxBaX1uiK2rd9paP7ct5rUHdZnwwlVYJ9ERhtpPkrqESQibk ig4g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.60.5 with SMTP id d5mr28826711qer.37.1368558479493; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.2.100 with HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:07:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130514171417.GB25885@slackbox.erewhon.net> References: <20130514171417.GB25885@slackbox.erewhon.net> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 21:07:59 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: can't compile lang/gcc port From: Xavier To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 19:14:28 -0000 On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 07:14:17PM +0200, Roland Smith wrote: Hi Roland, > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 03:59:26PM +0200, Xavier wrote: > > Hi to all, > > > > I can't compile lang/gcc port. > > > > The last lines of error: > > Unfortunately the real error happens _above_ the lines that you showed. > Hmmm, OK. > > else \ > > exit 1; \ > > fi; \ > > else true; \ > > fi; \ > > fi; \ > > done; \ > > fi > > gmake[5]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc/work/build/i386-portbld-freebsd > > 9.1/libstdc++-v3' > > gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc/work/build/i386-portbld-freebsd > [snip] > > Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc. > > *** [build] Error code 1 > > > > Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc. > > > Somebody can help me ? > > There is probably a compiler error somewhere before the lines that you posted. > Can you show a little bit more? > I don't show more lines because the log is very long for paste here. I can send directly to your private email the 1.6 MB of log file ? For your review. I waiting for your answer, see you. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 14 20:09:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CBE7EE9 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:09:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirj.bris.ac.uk (dirj.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67F88D7 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:09:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from irix.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.39] helo=ncs.bris.ac.uk) by dirj.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UcLH8-0000eE-EN for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:53:04 +0100 Received: from cpc2-aztw9-0-0-cust169.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com ([77.97.103.170] helo=mech-aslap239.men.bris.ac.uk) by ncs.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UcLH8-0006yW-6Z for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:52:42 +0100 Received: from mech-aslap239.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-aslap239.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.7/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r4EJqfB9001146 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:52:41 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@mech-aslap239.men.bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-aslap239.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.7/8.14.5/Submit) id r4EJqfBM001145 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:52:41 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:52:41 +0100 (BST) From: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <201305141952.r4EJqfBM001145@mech-aslap239.men.bris.ac.uk> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: bwn0: RX decryption attempted (old 0 keyidx 0x2) X-Spam-Score: -4.1 X-Spam-Level: ---- X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mexas@bristol.ac.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:09:03 -0000 I have this wireless chip: siba_bwn0@pci0:48:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x1371103c chip=0x431214e4 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Broadcom Corporation' device = 'BCM4311 802.11a/b/g' class = network I use bwn(4) for it: siba_bwn0: mem 0xc8100000-0xc8103fff irq 18 at device 0.0 on pci48 siba_bwn0: unsupported coreid (USB 1.1 Host) bwn0 on siba_bwn0 bwn0: WLAN (chipid 0x4311 rev 13) PHY (analog 4 type 2 rev 9) RADIO (manuf 0x17f ver 0x2050 rev 2) bwn0: DMA (64 bits) bwn0: Using 1 MSI messages bwn0: firmware version (rev 410 patch 2160 date 0x751a time 0x7c0a) I then use wpa_supplicant(8) to connect to the net. All this seems to work, often I see on the console: bwn0: RX decryption attempted (old 0 keyidx 0x2) repeated tens or maybe hundreds of times. What does this tell me? Could this be a symptom of other problems? Thanks Anton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 14 20:21:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC03181E for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:21:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from eu1sys200aog103.obsmtp.com (eu1sys200aog103.obsmtp.com [207.126.144.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1714799A for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:21:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f176.google.com ([209.85.212.176]) (using TLSv1) by eu1sys200aob103.postini.com ([207.126.147.11]) with SMTP ID DSNKUZKck57+MNelbsWXAzoU3hxF60ZaHElt@postini.com; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:21:03 UTC Received: by mail-wi0-f176.google.com with SMTP id hr14so4434227wib.15 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:20:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-received:sender:date:from:message-id:to:subject :reply-to:x-gm-message-state; bh=m/P7/peCefNRFM9E2d9J2qszM6ES3erv7WVIUb+lbxY=; b=BVL6Y0opEkUs0brwEFW28hzGLQwOWFHSi/XqMsPZiR7ZxfI6dnoBf/vXGL6Ig8VC77 U3ihDNA0z40Kt9z8KIIzYksw0fHVZPDJlNnzdzX51zvM1McjPGN5b2sqZTYbnQ/AHSnE wC1Qci/8qndPnZTfrh3Zns3UetB2wI5ImL4HK4MHnJUnHqUBxz9BUPsh3GEYt2+kIpwd ajRnOIX5lKQivo0tl8FG3H14cBZYza7rh8n2ZEV7UUx+E5Pl6t+/97SsSvDdP4EqfVXO ktAwrPTETvFOkzAhtaw9lPKqlY+E/vmWcdRXTKfVVZVmmfsZ7+sQe9qKCneH0yfUUE5M vksw== X-Received: by 10.180.72.227 with SMTP id g3mr10107039wiv.1.1368562835710; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:20:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.72.227 with SMTP id g3mr10107021wiv.1.1368562835604; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk. [137.222.187.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q13sm26270253wie.8.2013.05.14.13.20.33 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 14 May 2013 13:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Anton Shterenlikht Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r4EKKWfq065219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 21:20:32 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.6/8.14.6/Submit) id r4EKKWeB065218 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 21:20:32 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 21:20:32 +0100 (BST) From: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <201305142020.r4EKKWeB065218@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: X breaks sound X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm5857DcpPplsO1xqNJVMO+jAyNgqxmCxSqr96iI8mJ1oCp7dgFvok7N4TlQ+twzCxcDyeU/pAuPpx4yf2RhpgDojthGIxhA/qQO7Pdg2kYph+j8ZjiWHQ64KOUuTdIP0gKXDsgYHtSLi3C3wtA17MUhtnmNRV8jXVt/+aNfRWT9CS/Er8= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mexas@bristol.ac.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:21:03 -0000 Briefly, the sound works fine until X starts. As soon as X starts, sound doesn't work until a reboot. This is HP Compaq 6715s laptop. I'm running current r250633. I have this sound device: hdac0@pci0:0:20:2: class=0x040300 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x43831002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' device = 'SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)' class = multimedia subclass = HDA I use it with snd_hda(4): hdac0: mem 0xc0000000-0xc0003fff irq 16 at device 20. 2 on pci0 Until I start X, I can get sound e.g. via /dev/dsp, or play a cd with: dd if=/dev/cd0 of=/dev/dspcd bs=2352 As soon as I start X, either via xdm, or simply "X -config /roor/xorg.conf.new -retro" the sound does not work anymore until reboot. Instead I see on the console a very long stream of: hdac0: Unexpected unsolicited response from address 0: 00400083 hdac0: Unexpected unsolicited response from address 0: 00000000 hdac0: Unexpected unsolicited response from address 0: 04a12020 hdac0: Unexpected unsolicited response from address 0: 00001727 hdac0: Unexpected unsolicited response from address 0: 00000020 hdac0: Unexpected unsolicited response from address 0: 00400187 hdac0: Unexpected unsolicited response from address 0: 00000002 hdac0: Unexpected unsolicited response from address 0: 00000e03 hdac0: Unexpected unsolicited response from address 0: 0181302e hdac0: Unexpected unsolicited response from address 0: 00001737 etc. and sometimes: hdac0: Command timeout on address 0 hdac0: Reset setting timeout pcm0: chn_write(): pcm0:virtual:dsp0.vp0: play interrupt timeout, channel dead My graphics device is: vgapci0@pci0:1:5:0: class=0x030000 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x791f1002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' device = 'RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]' class = display subclass = VGA which is seen in dmesg as: vgapci0: port 0x4000-0x40ff mem 0xc0100000-0xc80fffff,0 xd0200000-0xd020ffff,0xd0300000-0xd03fffff irq 19 at device 5.0 on pci1 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 I use x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati port to drive it. In Xorg logs I see that the card is recognised correctly: (--) PCI:*(0:1:5:0) 1002:791f:103c:30c2 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS6 90M [Radeon X1200 Series] rev 0, Mem @ 0xc0000000/134217728, 0xd0200000/65536, 0 xd0300000/1048576, I/O @ 0x00004000/256, BIOS @ 0x????????/65536 The only issue seems to be with DRM/DRI: drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 Failed to change owner or group for file /dev/dri! 2: No such file or directory Failed to change owner or group for file /dev/dri/card0! 2: No such file or dire ctory drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such file or directory) Failed to change owner or group for file /dev/dri/card0! 2: No such file or dire ctory drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such file or directory) drmOpenDevice: Open failed [drm] failed to load kernel module "radeon" (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed to open the DRM [dri] Disabling DRI. But I don't think this is related to the sound problem. Anyway, should I add radeon and drm to the kernel? Is it a good idea? I'd be grateful for any advice. Thanks Anton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 14 20:31:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25DB7C1F for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:31:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D85EA34 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.net (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r4EKVCsC008797; Tue, 14 May 2013 22:31:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D2CCE1239C; Tue, 14 May 2013 22:31:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 22:31:11 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Xavier Subject: Re: can't compile lang/gcc port Message-ID: <20130514203111.GA27011@slackbox.erewhon.net> References: <20130514171417.GB25885@slackbox.erewhon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="17pEHd4RhPHOinZp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:31:14 -0000 --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 09:07:59PM +0200, Xavier wrote: > > > > There is probably a compiler error somewhere before the lines that you = posted. > > Can you show a little bit more? > > >=20 > I don't show more lines because the log is very long for paste here. >=20 > I can send directly to your private email the 1.6 MB of log file ? For > your review. Don't send me the whole log file! Using e.g. grep(1) or the old-fasfioned eyeball look for the _first_ line in the log file that contains the word "error". Post that line and some lines before and after it here on the mail= ing list. At a minimum, these lines should show; - what was the command that failed (compiler, linker, ...) - what was the _exact_ error message? - which file was it processing when the error occurred? For an example look below: clang -O2 -pipe -pipe -fmerge-constants --fast-math -DDEBUG -pipe -fme= rge-constants --fast-math -DVERSION=3D\"3.0.0beta2\" -DPACKAGE=3D\"stl2pov\= " -c ftobuf.c clang: error: unsupported option '--fast-math' *** [ftobuf.o] Error code 1 Stop in /home/rsmith/src/progs/attic/stl2pov3. The line containing the word "error" tells you what went wrong. In this case the clang compiler got an option it doesn't recognize. The line _before_ sh= ows the actual command that was run. The line _after_, starting with '***' is a notification from the 'make' program that building the file ftobuf.o failed. But this line is _useless_ without the lines before it. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAlGSnw8ACgkQEnfvsMMhpyUEsQCcDcwG/VHymXSQuQYlMVwgRH3j eeAAn3Dhm79hkziV6da0DVtpvmuxEvdB =PEJh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 14 20:39:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E519FDDD for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:39:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from four.harrisons@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-x234.google.com (mail-wg0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D0BAA9 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:39:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f52.google.com with SMTP id k13so869275wgh.31 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:39:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:date:to:subject:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:user-agent; bh=h2n9h/aQ2d4O6LhakIWQdOQ/AEuikjI0JU+qWOQO+JY=; b=jVXeHVa920U6EVbYYrxbadeDT/MjShv3yjt3L5RfovAAjrgtaBCWW+Q2F3DetT5RaS Siqy0vBggho4kMN4+0jVZn+tA3aKpGCjrsv0n/eWosmgohIu1d+Ve02p3T016pmYE9yT 8xhoNTu5OGAkAYS9tLK4XicJK8gsQHH5rj/b/EA9dhmFBFuZyVdQALJ76+0X0BpOe7Dc YGk1KBbyjJMg2jW1dYonEqLrhxAOb+2oCOUH0WMnuk7Wl6Ll7GcXgCGE7abOoR9bDx8V 0dF6fZEdlyzM5gu9h+9r0LwyJ0hJZRz9Tve01ZJ8oyExc++EXZKfSFLUkU6dwYy1Rb3l zV6g== X-Received: by 10.180.76.230 with SMTP id n6mr9870638wiw.28.1368563958533; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (client-86-25-233-118.mcr-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net. [86.25.233.118]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q20sm26380135wiv.7.2013.05.14.13.39.16 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 14 May 2013 13:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by localhost (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 14 May 2013 21:48:57 +0100 From: Peter Harrison Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 21:48:57 +0100 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Status of Chromium port... Message-ID: <20130514204857.GA2207@thinkpad.piggybox> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:39:20 -0000 Hello list! Does anyone know the status of the Chromium port? It's stuck at v25 with multiple vulnerabilities. Updated versions have been available for a while, but haven't been brought into ports. I've emailed the maintainer but not had a response. Anyone know better? Thanks all, Peter Harrison. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 14 20:45:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D53AFD2 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:45:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BF9B03 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:45:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id r4EKiheX015233; Tue, 14 May 2013 15:44:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 15:44:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201305142044.r4EKiheX015233@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, xavierfreebsdquestions@gmail.com Subject: Re: can't compile lang/gcc port In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:45:41 -0000 > Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 21:07:59 +0200 > Subject: Re: can't compile lang/gcc port > From: Xavier > > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 07:14:17PM +0200, Roland Smith wrote: > > Hi Roland, > > > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 03:59:26PM +0200, Xavier wrote: > > > Hi to all, > > > > > > I can't compile lang/gcc port. > > > > > > The last lines of error: > > > > Unfortunately the real error happens _above_ the lines that you showed. > > > > Hmmm, OK. > > > > else \ > > > exit 1; \ fi; \ else true; \ fi; \ fi; \ done; \ fi > > > gmake[5]: Leaving directory > > > `/usr/ports/lang/gcc/work/build/i386-portbld-freebsd > > > 9.1/libstdc++-v3' > > > gmake[4]: Leaving directory > > > `/usr/ports/lang/gcc/work/build/i386-portbld-freebsd > > [snip] > > > Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc. > > > *** [build] Error code 1 > > > > > > Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc. > > > > > Somebody can help me ? > > > > There is probably a compiler error somewhere before the lines that you > > posted. Can you show a little bit more? > > > > I don't show more lines because the log is very long for paste here. Look for lines with the words: warning: Warning: error: Error: Report at least the 3 lines before each such occurance and 10 or so lines after it. This command: grep -B 3 -A 10 -E -i '(warning|error):' < {{logfile}} should do the selection automatically. Asking _someone_else_ to rummage through a megabyte-plus of log because you can't be bothered to look for the 'magic words' that actually identify the problem _is_ an unreasonable imposition on their kindness. Ifi, on the other hand, you _don't_know_how_ to recognize an error message in a build log, you should, bluntly, *not* be building software for your system. Either use pre-build binaries, or hire someone who -does- know what they're doing to build/install custom software for you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 14 20:50:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9079C22B for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:50:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xavierfreebsdquestions@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-x22a.google.com (mail-qc0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22a]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C11B46 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:50:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id s11so37592qcw.29 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:50:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+KJvy6GnwG7VgnDyoLxjIE/tNTfbER1steQ2L6d9B4U=; b=MSWetKg8w8r91yoCvzUtG+d2t/jZVj/3sednNfx6thPqoFQy2IU11TFffgYSb2xPMM DoBwL69FPxKy21lUkyYPRr7IX4BqXKt/GXxLPLuApFDgt92HrozTEoKnmBf8f4mwFXDh xOPfajQrll32Wk9vfIggA2ONbvRzvKyggswW1rlrgBcxu5nmMcRZOaW7R4BOGYqJNKHQ t7PHo7p/Y4PCGXRH4BBUS6WznMaTgHcF4otsPjRXnuelQhhs/3+YjMUpBZdigfYWkuVh MgOPQz+mf0lKTQk6gzyIX5K9ppXZZiUm2ZIoLjyQhHNdIuEXJUf8kwjCOixdKRxpfe8A aSwg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.198.194 with SMTP id ep2mr25067554qab.51.1368564636901; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.2.100 with HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:50:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130514203111.GA27011@slackbox.erewhon.net> References: <20130514171417.GB25885@slackbox.erewhon.net> <20130514203111.GA27011@slackbox.erewhon.net> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 22:50:36 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: can't compile lang/gcc port From: Xavier To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:50:37 -0000 On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 10:31:11PM +0200, Roland Smith wrote: Hi Roland, > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 09:07:59PM +0200, Xavier wrote: > > > > > > There is probably a compiler error somewhere before the lines that you posted. > > > Can you show a little bit more? > > > > > > > I don't show more lines because the log is very long for paste here. > > > > I can send directly to your private email the 1.6 MB of log file ? For > > your review. > > Don't send me the whole log file! Using e.g. grep(1) or the old-fasfioned OK. > eyeball look for the _first_ line in the log file that contains the word > "error". Post that line and some lines before and after it here on the mailing > list. At a minimum, these lines should show; > > - what was the command that failed (compiler, linker, ...) > - what was the _exact_ error message? > - which file was it processing when the error occurred? > > For an example look below: > > clang -O2 -pipe -pipe -fmerge-constants --fast-math -DDEBUG -pipe -fmerge-constants --fast-math -DVERSION=\"3.0.0beta2\" -DPACKAGE=\"stl2pov\" -c ftobuf.c > clang: error: unsupported option '--fast-math' > *** [ftobuf.o] Error code 1 > > Stop in /home/rsmith/src/progs/attic/stl2pov3. > > The line containing the word "error" tells you what went wrong. In this case > the clang compiler got an option it doesn't recognize. The line _before_ shows > the actual command that was run. The line _after_, starting with '***' is a > notification from the 'make' program that building the file ftobuf.o failed. > But this line is _useless_ without the lines before it. > Here an overview of log error: http://pastebin.com/X0C1gtaG ( I cut in middle log for limit of 500 KB in pastebin.com web site ). Thanks, see you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 14 20:54:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6E68329 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:54:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xavierfreebsdquestions@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-x229.google.com (mail-qc0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF883B9D for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:54:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id z10so40918qcx.0 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:54:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+KJvy6GnwG7VgnDyoLxjIE/tNTfbER1steQ2L6d9B4U=; b=Fr6DoIi1aPNZhYSb7X09j+rCIYI/fBu/vicSH2A1FqC1s0gfjSa3vUNCQSlGdWI8Ky CHltvBOEqcQbwNkG8TEk3eYrdNXUCXSE2T0zXa9WiLiA25qG7VG+G1egI1G5Nj3R43Hw jz/mgvrorTPD+oz+stz9dW6RIzM5vj2JVqa9qsF4q1gkAji4LHXXVbQyqqfqtlCRGVM8 gPfb5WYc983BhiPtlHOJC90W2RpYeD9VUeuH1q5B5oDhXni2+0buOCcKCa/uh3H3VYod 4Eg1mewKOELANipICuhroWIcVXIzm6As3mqxyDYk0Ii2UpinYopjMeK/UuK1SBcntATG UKpw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.78.193 with SMTP id m1mr25361045qak.79.1368564854257; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.2.100 with HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:54:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130514203111.GA27011@slackbox.erewhon.net> References: <20130514171417.GB25885@slackbox.erewhon.net> <20130514203111.GA27011@slackbox.erewhon.net> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 22:54:14 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: can't compile lang/gcc port From: Xavier To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:54:15 -0000 On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 10:31:11PM +0200, Roland Smith wrote: Hi Roland, > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 09:07:59PM +0200, Xavier wrote: > > > > > > There is probably a compiler error somewhere before the lines that you posted. > > > Can you show a little bit more? > > > > > > > I don't show more lines because the log is very long for paste here. > > > > I can send directly to your private email the 1.6 MB of log file ? For > > your review. > > Don't send me the whole log file! Using e.g. grep(1) or the old-fasfioned OK. > eyeball look for the _first_ line in the log file that contains the word > "error". Post that line and some lines before and after it here on the mailing > list. At a minimum, these lines should show; > > - what was the command that failed (compiler, linker, ...) > - what was the _exact_ error message? > - which file was it processing when the error occurred? > > For an example look below: > > clang -O2 -pipe -pipe -fmerge-constants --fast-math -DDEBUG -pipe -fmerge-constants --fast-math -DVERSION=\"3.0.0beta2\" -DPACKAGE=\"stl2pov\" -c ftobuf.c > clang: error: unsupported option '--fast-math' > *** [ftobuf.o] Error code 1 > > Stop in /home/rsmith/src/progs/attic/stl2pov3. > > The line containing the word "error" tells you what went wrong. In this case > the clang compiler got an option it doesn't recognize. The line _before_ shows > the actual command that was run. The line _after_, starting with '***' is a > notification from the 'make' program that building the file ftobuf.o failed. > But this line is _useless_ without the lines before it. > Here an overview of log error: http://pastebin.com/X0C1gtaG ( I cut in middle log for limit of 500 KB in pastebin.com web site ). Thanks, see you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 14 20:57:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B412942A for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:57:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xavierfreebsdquestions@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-x22d.google.com (mail-qc0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22d]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D388C06 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:57:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id c11so41404qcv.18 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:57:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=dzDgq5B+F1eqHA3S734MSNZepO95zltqO8G2n4imwHs=; b=Mat2C4SRPt5q8c1uFQ4I0P2N9EgRryjRUmqEv/itZkq+JllNlmQeP0vaU4LgHiPDSn OpjBeAIGVx+e0tCKtMTuGpJ9Q5eliFj+Jef/Q77AEmQafwQNmiVU/zTeCYS77W3YxEI6 ojfIvsXnISGEWefJlkAjU+rFBo0mY0AVoLxiwfHAnPKiiL9WpIhpq3GxpaxfBf6+7JGm qFJi7GLPTc8infk9a3qbMdN4BlhuDO99djXNnOzLKXpabXyHhdrJM0FtvgDdtH8BHyni /IRzaIxPv6JplDzzqrpaXAA8incPrZGy/xQKe0y1IqtUOLlB8vvTBNBHjXip4aMDCGPX f1vw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.7.195 with SMTP id e3mr25622555qae.5.1368565049002; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.2.100 with HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:57:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201305142044.r4EKiheX015233@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <201305142044.r4EKiheX015233@mail.r-bonomi.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 22:57:28 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: can't compile lang/gcc port From: Xavier To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:57:29 -0000 On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 03:44:43PM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote: Hi Robert, ( Sorry for my before email, my before email is an error of apropiate thread email ) > > Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 21:07:59 +0200 > > Subject: Re: can't compile lang/gcc port > > From: Xavier > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 07:14:17PM +0200, Roland Smith wrote: > > > > Hi Roland, > > > > > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 03:59:26PM +0200, Xavier wrote: > > > > Hi to all, > > > > > > > > I can't compile lang/gcc port. > > > > > > > > The last lines of error: > > > > > > Unfortunately the real error happens _above_ the lines that you showed. > > > > > > > Hmmm, OK. > > > > > > else \ > > > > exit 1; \ fi; \ else true; \ fi; \ fi; \ done; \ fi > > > > gmake[5]: Leaving directory > > > > `/usr/ports/lang/gcc/work/build/i386-portbld-freebsd > > > > 9.1/libstdc++-v3' > > > > gmake[4]: Leaving directory > > > > `/usr/ports/lang/gcc/work/build/i386-portbld-freebsd > > > [snip] > > > > Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc. > > > > *** [build] Error code 1 > > > > > > > > Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc. > > > > > > > Somebody can help me ? > > > > > > There is probably a compiler error somewhere before the lines that you > > > posted. Can you show a little bit more? > > > > > > > I don't show more lines because the log is very long for paste here. > > Look for lines with the words: > warning: > Warning: > error: > Error: > > Report at least the 3 lines before each such occurance and 10 or so lines > after it. > > This command: > grep -B 3 -A 10 -E -i '(warning|error):' < {{logfile}} > should do the selection automatically. > I paste log here: http://pastebin.com/X0C1gtaG I cut the middle log for 500 KB of limit in pastebin.com web site. Thanks, see you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 14 21:21:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A0DF57 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 21:21:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from k_winzic@ovi.com) Received: from nm37-vm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm37-vm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.238.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03317E18 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 21:21:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.215.142] by nm37.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2013 21:18:43 -0000 Received: from [76.13.13.224] by tm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2013 21:18:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp103-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2013 21:18:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ovi.com; s=s1024; t=1368566323; bh=zWa7o1gfvKw0gxzsjeBAPRhWMoE5F5aHXDJ9wIxuLaM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:MIME-Version:Date:Subject:From:Reply-To:To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ElKxqcFJAYpY0GQKb1FhOXxHNyvaO+fVzlo8MTY8q+kbSWx59Z704ZGYlEW/oHA1GmRUGXr1J3Xof/LjM3gytWyy6Gdt6xfL3++02V84gc89JYn+Y8FJnUd7wFSIqdD0XnJWGHR7fsKEIu59coFBqW/n3vXYCtkrxpmlWnU8LRw= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 704274.645.bm@smtp103-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Message-ID: <704274.645.bm@smtp103-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: qcsenRUVM1nN3PXQuBLUOZnSSbiZpC2pKb.rmNpaGzyt1CU L4MesK9zfySrw_HbMDTLbynVmiyabxUThG6eLma1NKaek4Or_HG7jzAvJjtF D.1jvCRYCBi49eWIRe8Sp9EoRBv1OJpkNwGaI764bp3I6zZ8JVZvZcx_6oZx 74CfYyYGZ14kl2EFTngQhsEyeopR0Gh3Mrit3xonl3d2TFJ8EkYOcPKzORi4 19pTS824BlMxT_zAYxw3AI0qOrr7njs_Uvjnbr3rMd1ZkurgL28fEaz4wujt IJgJ.qChYbcikF7wpYVkKQQDwf1xjJOjaoIU0kPERbj0sF94.eCXoTazWS0U z02gxKdQ..BhT.xx8UbumqHlDbs38bSLO_cRzlRmdpmjtVWhtqrcMm2TwyIu 6rp_utl717ZljElsDMQ2ZkNBZL6Um98aYyDCOZITVoucgHCpTSWBVioKmKnO 7uNc_2xYODw2p7g-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: eMkJcGSswBBYSlLm2rMZu749_yisKOIe5qPBZ7VPZWEQnn5dSCucYCrqan.1 X-Rocket-Received: from nokia.com (k_winzic@66.54.67.166 with xymcookie) by smtp103-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2013 14:18:43 -0700 PDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 21:18:43 +0000 Subject: Will i be force. From: To: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 14 May 2013 21:23:59 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: k_winzic@ovi.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 21:21:51 -0000 Dear Sir/Madam My name is Kevin, I want to build an OS that is derived from freebsd but Sh= ould i be worried about FreeBSD license when i am deriving. ---------- Sent from my Nokia phone From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 14 21:39:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B069C7D for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 21:39:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F81F5A for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 21:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-102-106.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.102.106]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EAEC3CCE1; Tue, 14 May 2013 23:39:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r4ELdJbD003022; Tue, 14 May 2013 23:39:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 23:39:19 +0200 From: Polytropon To: k_winzic@ovi.com Subject: Re: Will i be force. Message-Id: <20130514233919.7037623b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <704274.645.bm@smtp103-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <704274.645.bm@smtp103-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 21:39:22 -0000 On Tue, 14 May 2013 21:18:43 +0000, k_winzic@ovi.com wrote: > Dear Sir/Madam > > My name is Kevin, I want to build an OS that is derived from freebsd but Should i be worried about FreeBSD license when i am deriving. You should not be worried about the license. Just follow it. The license grants you several rights, and as long as you comply with the license, there is no problem deriving a new OS from FreeBSD. Just make sure you don't violate any copyright. Note that I am not a lawyer, and this is no official response from a FreeBSD body. Depending on your local legislation, I suggest you discuss the topic with a lawyer you trust to give you further advice. Also read the legal documents provided by FreeBSD itself and other sources. Read and understand (!) the license itself. http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses#2-clause_license_.28.22Simplified_BSD_License.22_or_.22FreeBSD_License.22.29 You may find more specific answers by directing your questions to a legal representative of the FreeBSD foundation or a more appropriate mailing list (-questions@ is for general questions, usually answered by FreeBSD users and contributors). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 14 23:27:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC6B54F for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 23:27:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00436D0 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 23:27:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02C73ACAD; Tue, 14 May 2013 16:27:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: Robert Huff Subject: Re: Hot Swapping SATA drive? In-Reply-To: <20882.9169.697806.928200@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 16:27:16 -0700 Message-ID: <9663.1368574036@server1.tristatelogic.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 23:27:26 -0000 In message <20882.9169.697806.928200@jerusalem.litteratus.org>, Robert Huff wrote: >Ronald F. Guilmette writes: > >> I bought one of these things awhile ago: >> >> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004LXJXSW/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=U >TF8&psc=1 > > I believe I have a similar object, only a) external (eSATA), b) >from a different manufacturer, and c) connected to a -CURRENT >system. I use it as a backup device. Yea, mine is internal, and real SATA. I wonder if that will make a difference. >> 1) Given a system running FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE, is anything bad >> gonna happen if I insert a drive into this thing while the system >> is running? Will I be able to mount partitions contained on the >> drive in question after I do so? > > That works for me. I need to re-scan the ata channel using >"atacontrol" but once that happens it's fine. Hummm... I tried "atacontrol info" and I got this: atacontrol: ATA_CAM option is enabled in kernel. Please use camcontrol instead. So I guess I need to use camcontrol instead. But what command? What were you using with atacontrol to "re-scan"? Was that "atacontrol attach"? I wonder what the camcontrol equivalent to that is. Nothing obvious is jumping out at me from the man page. > I am unable to check the BIOS settings on that MB (which may be >ASrock as well), but I don't believe I had to do anything other hand >make sure eSATA was enabled. OK. Thanks. I'm determined to try this, and to make it work. Now I just need to know what camcontrol command I should be using. Regards, rfg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 14 23:34:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF7F71C for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 23:34:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713EB760 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 23:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D923AE0E; Tue, 14 May 2013 16:34:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: Polytropon Subject: Re: Hot Swapping SATA drive? In-Reply-To: <20130514144721.aa321c25.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 16:34:11 -0700 Message-ID: <9749.1368574451@server1.tristatelogic.com> Cc: Robert Huff , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 23:34:12 -0000 In message <20130514144721.aa321c25.freebsd@edvax.de>, Polytropon wrote: >I've been using SCSI "hot swap" devices for many years, and >they usually required a re-scan of the bus. The same often >works for USB-connected devices which also use CAM, and maybe >SATA and eSATA also support it today? OK, so what command should I use when I plug a drive in? Would that be "camcontrol rescan foo" where "foo" is something like /dev/ada0? I'm guessing that that can't be correct, because ada0 is an actual drive. So what is the "device id" for the bus itself? >Again, it may be nice (to the system) to detach the ATA device >from the bus; see "man atacontrol" (and "man camcontrol" in >comparison) for the proper command to do this. From the "electrical >point of view", there should be no problem. I am a firm believer in being nice. I just need to know the proper command. Would that be "camcontrol stop foo" ? >The only thing that might be worth looking at in the CMOS setup >would be the "method" of the driver, making the device come up >as da0 (for example) or ada0, depending if EHCI or XHCI can be >selected. Ummm... my new little SATA plug-in bay is strictly SATA... not eSATA, and *definitely* not USB, so I think that EHCI and/or XHCI are probably irrelevant. Those are strictly USB things, no? Regards, rfg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 14 23:48:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC042918 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 23:48:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6EBD7FE for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 23:48:28 +0000 (UTC) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=FMqZNpUs c=1 sm=0 a=nVny9ETX7T5uMhI2oTVyRA==:17 a=-J93btCOc1YA:10 a=AaUjGI9IrlcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=OA2lqS22AAAA:8 a=sIt-5M63AAAA:8 a=jNb10-F4wJcA:10 a=7l73CV1M89FdUN5aCngA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=nVny9ETX7T5uMhI2oTVyRA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=roberthuff@rcn.com; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=roberthuff@rcn.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 209.6.193.164 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of rcn.com) Received: from [209.6.193.164] ([209.6.193.164:10243] helo=jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTP id BD/9D-24381-A4DC2915; Tue, 14 May 2013 19:48:27 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20882.52554.58092.964943@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 19:48:26 -0400 To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Hot Swapping SATA drive? In-Reply-To: <9663.1368574036@server1.tristatelogic.com> References: <20882.9169.697806.928200@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <9663.1368574036@server1.tristatelogic.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 22) "Instant Classic" XEmacs Lucid Cc: Robert Huff , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 23:48:29 -0000 Ronald F. Guilmette writes: > > That works for me. I need to re-scan the ata channel using > >"atacontrol" but once that happens it's fine. > > Hummm... I tried "atacontrol info" and I got this: > > atacontrol: > ATA_CAM option is enabled in kernel. > Please use camcontrol instead. > > So I guess I need to use camcontrol instead. But what command? > What were you using with atacontrol to "re-scan"? Was that > "atacontrol attach"? Yeah - # atacontrol detach ata0 # atacontrol attach ata0 did it. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 00:10:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D29BE4 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 00:10:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC128BE for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 00:10:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-6-62.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.6.62]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3D23D0C7; Wed, 15 May 2013 02:10:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r4F0ApFd003818; Wed, 15 May 2013 02:10:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 02:10:51 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Hot Swapping SATA drive? Message-Id: <20130515021051.6df78597.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <9749.1368574451@server1.tristatelogic.com> References: <20130514144721.aa321c25.freebsd@edvax.de> <9749.1368574451@server1.tristatelogic.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 00:10:44 -0000 On Tue, 14 May 2013 16:34:11 -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message <20130514144721.aa321c25.freebsd@edvax.de>, > Polytropon wrote: > > >I've been using SCSI "hot swap" devices for many years, and > >they usually required a re-scan of the bus. The same often > >works for USB-connected devices which also use CAM, and maybe > >SATA and eSATA also support it today? > > OK, so what command should I use when I plug a drive in? Would that be > "camcontrol rescan foo" where "foo" is something like /dev/ada0? No. You use the typical "SCSI-like device notation", bus:unit:lun, for example 0:1:0, or "all" for all buses and devices. > I'm > guessing that that can't be correct, because ada0 is an actual drive. > So what is the "device id" for the bus itself? With "camcontrol devlist", you can get a list that will show you what devices have been recognized and how the bus:unit:lun corresponds to the device files. Example: $ camcontrol devlist at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (pass0,cd0) at scbus0 target 1 lun 0 (pass1,cd1) at scbus3 target 0 lun 0 (pass2,da0) at scbus3 target 0 lun 1 (pass3,da1) at scbus3 target 0 lun 2 (pass4,da2) at scbus4 target 0 lun 0 (pass5,da3) The disk you're attaching will probably be something like the entries for the USB disk (last line). > >Again, it may be nice (to the system) to detach the ATA device > >from the bus; see "man atacontrol" (and "man camcontrol" in > >comparison) for the proper command to do this. From the "electrical > >point of view", there should be no problem. > > I am a firm believer in being nice. I just need to know the proper > command. Would that be "camcontrol stop foo" ? Yes. You can use the "start" and "stop" commands like the "attach" and "detach" commands for atacontrol. Additionally, you can use "tur" for "test (if) unit (is) ready", and "readcap" to print the capabilities. Also "reset" and "rescan" are helpful. See "man camcontrol" for details about what those commands do, and how to properly call them. In most cases, # camcontrol will be the correct form. > >The only thing that might be worth looking at in the CMOS setup > >would be the "method" of the driver, making the device come up > >as da0 (for example) or ada0, depending if EHCI or XHCI can be > >selected. > > Ummm... my new little SATA plug-in bay is strictly SATA... not eSATA, > and *definitely* not USB, so I think that EHCI and/or XHCI are probably > irrelevant. Those are strictly USB things, no? I'm not fully sure about that, but I assume you're right, if the manufacturer has properly glued the SATA ports onto the mainboard instead of creating some strange abomination of a "SATA through USB something". :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 01:32:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512B3605 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 01:32:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8EADC30 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 01:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.10.1] ([173.88.196.224]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 14 May 2013 18:32:45 -0700 Message-ID: <5192E5B7.5020804@a1poweruser.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 21:32:39 -0400 From: Joe User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: what commands show memory usage Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2013 01:32:45.0654 (UTC) FILETIME=[19E9E760:01CE510C] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Authenticated-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-EchoSenderHash: [fbsd8]-[a1poweruser*com] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 01:32:45 -0000 When stopping vnet jails get message about lost memory pages. What console commands show available memory pages so I can determine the lost memory pages after 100 stopped jails? Want to find out if that lost memory page message is bogus or not. Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 02:08:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A623BE2 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 02:08:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81597DBB for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 02:08:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.10.1] ([173.88.196.224]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 14 May 2013 19:08:45 -0700 Message-ID: <5192EE1E.2030207@a1poweruser.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 22:08:30 -0400 From: Joe User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: SCTP: transport protocol and vimage jails Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2013 02:08:45.0242 (UTC) FILETIME=[2120E1A0:01CE5111] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Authenticated-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-EchoSenderHash: [fbsd8]-[a1poweruser*com] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 02:08:49 -0000 All the info on vimage jails say to nooption SCTP when compiling vimage into your kernel. Reason given is that sctp is not vimage aware. If that is ture, then why can't I find a PR on SCTP or vimage about this problem? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 02:09:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9331174 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 02:09:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from ozzie.tundraware.com (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50FEDC4 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 02:09:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (viper.tundraware.com [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by ozzie.tundraware.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r4F220e3053641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 14 May 2013 21:02:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Message-ID: <5192EC8D.6000201@tundraware.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 21:01:49 -0500 From: Tim Daneliuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: what commands show memory usage References: <5192E5B7.5020804@a1poweruser.com> <5192E657.7060100@tundraware.com> <5192EB32.4080407@a1poweruser.com> In-Reply-To: <5192EB32.4080407@a1poweruser.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (ozzie.tundraware.com [192.168.0.1]); Tue, 14 May 2013 21:02:00 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: r4F220e3053641 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 02:09:10 -0000 On 05/14/2013 08:56 PM, Joe wrote: > Tim Daneliuk wrote: >> On 05/14/2013 08:32 PM, Joe wrote: >>> When stopping vnet jails get message about lost memory pages. >>> What console commands show available memory pages so I can determine the lost memory pages after 100 stopped jails? >>> Want to find out if that lost memory page message is bogus or not. >>> >> >> Look at 'vmstat' and 'free' commands. >> >> > can't find any "free" command Sorry Joe (and everyone), I had a brief bit flip. The command is actually called freebsd-memory and is not in the base system. It's an addon from Ralph Engelshall and can be found here: http://people.freebsd.org/~rse/utils/ (If you care, the 'free' command is how you do this on Linux.) -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 02:23:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 627EC47A for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 02:23:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF62E41 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 02:23:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop3.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop3.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.166]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B35295C2F for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 12:34:44 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <5192F06A.5060308@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 12:18:18 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130126 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: List Spam Filtering References: <1368039547.0568389241738319@mf7.sendgrid.net> <201305090026.r490QQeA095142@fire.js.berklix.net> <20130512120452.GA27244@gsp.org> In-Reply-To: <20130512120452.GA27244@gsp.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 02:23:50 -0000 On 05/12/13 22:04, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > 1. Restricting mailing lists to "subscribers only" has been a best > practice since the last century. It's a very good anti-spam tactic. > > 2. However, doing so -- for a list run via Mailman, like this one -- > does not pose a significant impediment for non-subscribers. By default, > Mailman will hold traffic from non-subscribers for list-owner approval. > Provided the list-owners check that queue periodically and have reasonable > spam-spotting abilities, this works beautifully. > > 3. Note that Mailman, as part of that same mechanism, allows list-owners > to add non-subscribers to a list of those permitted to send traffic to > the list without approval. This feature is probably more often used to > allow traffic from alternative addresses for subscribers, e.g., someone > is subscribed as fred@example.com but sends occasionally from fred@example.net. > But it can just as easily be used for non-subscribers if the list-owners > so choose. > > 4. List-owners may also find it useful to keep track of which spammers > repeatedly attempt to abuse the list and block them at the MTA -- which > has the desirable side effect of blocking them from ALL lists. I do this > on a user/host/domain/network basis, and it's proven itself to be worth > the effort. > > So: setting the "subscribers-only" flag on Mailman has major advantages, > at the cost of additional work on the part of list-owners -- which can > be mitigated in part across all lists by making changes to the MTA. I'm a big fan of _not_ having to subscribe to a list to get a quick hand with a one off problem (obviously not this one!)- otherwise too many lists get subscribed to, oodles of messages come in which you can't do anything about and so forth (so its not simply just a matter of subscribe, unsubscribe as noted). Unfortunately, many see it as a spam filter and thereby abuse it. How often do you need help with an issue with libreoffice, mozilla whatever, or other application? And yet subscription is compulsory and a ton of messages (devs convs mostly) come flooding in within minutes. Aside from all that, the last suggestion (4) should be possible using some simple filtering without the need to change the subscription parameters. It could be possible to even do it automatically saving further work on a list-owner. I admit the spam is getting worse, but there are still many more users sending who would like try before they buy - or subscribe. FreeBSD is an OS, yes, but it does give users options and freedom; and although many are willing to give up their freedom because it is *appears* safer, they tend to have serious regrets in the light of day. Better to find a way to maintain the freedom (and minimise the overheads required for oversight) through other measures. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 02:43:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C883F656 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 02:43:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80CE8ECE for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 02:43:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop3.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop3.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.166]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C73DD5C2A for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 12:59:40 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <5192F641.7080707@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 12:43:13 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130126 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Connecting EFTPOS terminals to FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 02:43:15 -0000 I have a client looking for a POS system and they need to be able to connect an EFTPOS terminal (credit/debit card terminal) to obtain data for transactions from. Has anyone here had any experience with this? I'm used to servers and such, but the goal here is to use a CRM (vTiger or such) with ERP/POS, and the server is in a room and the POS terminal in another (naturally). It currently works with a very basic accounts package running on Winblows, and the aim is to have a web based POS system (or similar) for online/instore transactions, with a secure EFTPOS terminal just at the front desk. Ideally we want to be able to use any web enabled system to be able to dropped in for quick deployment to use as a POS system and maintenance is kept to the server backend. My research so far has dragged up a lot of Winblows only solutions, and some IP based ones. I'm wondering how hard it is to get a serial connection working for linux/BSD to the EFT terminal? Or if that is even a consideration at all if it needs to communicate to a web based POS system- does that mean it has to IP based to communicate directly with the server itself? If anyone has some dev material (or links to such) would be handy as well- I need to get a far better picture of all this. Cheers From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 02:48:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0D7721 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 02:48:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@jerrymc.net) Received: from jerrymc.net (jerrymc.net [75.75.214.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0746EED for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 02:48:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jerrymc.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jerrymc.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r4F2i1Yr083798; Tue, 14 May 2013 22:44:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@jerrymc.net) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by jerrymc.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id r4F2hq8F083785; Tue, 14 May 2013 22:43:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 22:43:52 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: k_winzic@ovi.com Subject: Re: Will i be force. Message-ID: <20130515024352.GA83769@jerrymc.net> References: <704274.645.bm@smtp103-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <704274.645.bm@smtp103-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 02:48:17 -0000 On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 09:18:43PM +0000, k_winzic@ovi.com wrote: > Dear Sir/Madam > > My name is Kevin, I want to build an OS that is derived from freebsd but Should i be worried about FreeBSD license when i am deriving. No. Not at all. FreeBSD allows free use including modifying. Look it up on the FreeBSD web site http://www.freebsd.org/ ////jerry > ---------- > Sent from my Nokia phone > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 04:53:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 562D1C85; Wed, 15 May 2013 04:53:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wolfgang@riegler.homeip.net) Received: from mail1.ozon.ru (mx4.ozon.ru [194.186.179.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC17B89C; Wed, 15 May 2013 04:53:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from intmail03msk.ozon (intmail03msk.ozon [10.18.18.171]) by mail1.ozon.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE2C71A50B; Wed, 15 May 2013 08:53:56 +0400 (MSK) Received: from mail pickup service by intmail03msk.ozon with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 May 2013 08:53:53 +0400 Received: from intmail03msk.ozon ([10.18.18.171]) by intmail02msk.ozon with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 13 May 2013 13:23:12 +0400 Received: from mail1.ozon.ru ([194.186.179.140]) by intmail03msk.ozon with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 13 May 2013 13:23:12 +0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.ozon.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0755719D4C for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:23:12 +0400 (MSK) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ozon.ru Received: from mail1.ozon.ru ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx4.ozon.ru [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bV9Rx-stldYe for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:23:04 +0400 (MSK) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received-SPF: pass (freebsd.org: 8.8.178.116 is authorized to use 'owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org' in 'mfrom' identity (mechanism 'ip4:8.8.178.116' matched)) receiver=mx4.ozon.ru; identity=mfrom; envelope-from="owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org"; helo=mx2.freebsd.org; client-ip=8.8.178.116 Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.116]) by mail1.ozon.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B4E719CE2 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:23:03 +0400 (MSK) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:88]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1981A5208; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:22:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15C1DA17; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:22:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org) Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30AC2932 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:22:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wolfgang@riegler.homeip.net) Received: from slave4.cbt-l.de (ip-125-173-205-91.static.contabo.net [91.205.173.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E583413A for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:22:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (slave4.cbt-l.de [127.0.0.1]) by slave4.cbt-l.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15DD1DC130C for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 11:22:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at slave4.cbt-l.de Received: from slave4.cbt-l.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (slave4.cbt-l.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KzLzVqS+aVLg for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 11:22:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.cbt-l.de (mail.cbt-l.de [212.185.49.146]) by slave4.cbt-l.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8358A1DC1137 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 11:22:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 80518 invoked by uid 1009); 13 May 2013 09:22:42 -0000 Received: from 192.168.40.46 by mail.cbt-l.de (envelope-from , uid 1008) with qmail-scanner-1.25-st-qms (clamdscan: ClamAV 0.97.8/17095. spamassassin: 3.3.0. perlscan: 1.25-st-qms. 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Processed in 0.058164 secs Process 80408) Received: from wolfgang.cbt-l.de (HELO wolfgang.localnet) (w.riegler@cbt-l.de@192.168.40.46) by mail.cbt-l.de with SMTP; 13 May 2013 09:22:42 -0000 From: Wolfgang Riegler To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: freebsd-update and /boot/kernel/linker.hints Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 11:22:41 +0200 Message-ID: <1636055.7lG3Jua4h4@wolfgang> User-Agent: KMail/4.10.2 (Linux/3.8.2-pf-sepp1; KDE/4.10.2; x86_64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2013 09:23:12.0687 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DB5D3F0:01CE4FBB] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 04:53:57 -0000 Hi, since last freebsd-update fetch install I always get this message after freebsd-update fetch: The following files will be updated as part of updating to 9.1-RELEASE-p3: /boot/kernel/linker.hints but freebsd-update install doesn't install anything. Is there something wrong with my system or is this a bug in freebsd-update? kind regards Wolfgang _______________________________________________ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 05:23:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C18F2B for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 05:23:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from smtp-out04.alice-dsl.net (smtp-out04.alice-dsl.net [88.44.63.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170D0B75 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 05:23:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out.alice-dsl.de ([192.168.125.61]) by smtp-out04.alice-dsl.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 15 May 2013 07:23:07 +0200 Received: from [78.50.22.106] ([78.50.22.106]) by out.alice-dsl.de over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 15 May 2013 07:22:53 +0200 Message-ID: <1368595371.1334.30.camel@archlinux> Subject: Re: X breaks sound From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 07:22:51 +0200 In-Reply-To: <201305142020.r4EKKWeB065218@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <201305142020.r4EKKWeB065218@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.8.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2013 05:22:53.0573 (UTC) FILETIME=[40132350:01CE512C] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 05:23:16 -0000 On Tue, 2013-05-14 at 21:20 +0100, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > Briefly, the sound works fine until X starts. > As soon as X starts, sound doesn't work until a reboot. Assumed pulseaudio should be installed, this likely is the culprit, if so, remove it. Hth, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 05:25:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533041C9; Wed, 15 May 2013 05:25:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from mail1.ozon.ru (mx4.ozon.ru [194.186.179.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB3DBFF; Wed, 15 May 2013 05:25:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from intmail03msk.ozon (intmail03msk.ozon [10.18.18.171]) by mail1.ozon.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B4E71A50E; Wed, 15 May 2013 09:25:00 +0400 (MSK) Received: from mail pickup service by intmail03msk.ozon with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 May 2013 09:07:24 +0400 Received: from intmail03msk.ozon ([10.18.18.171]) by intmail02msk.ozon with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 12 May 2013 12:56:36 +0400 Received: from mail1.ozon.ru ([194.186.179.140]) by intmail03msk.ozon with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 12 May 2013 12:03:00 +0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.ozon.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F7971A253 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 00:30:42 +0400 (MSK) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ozon.ru Received: from mail1.ozon.ru ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx4.ozon.ru [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WbFq8VM1coUt for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 00:30:34 +0400 (MSK) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received-SPF: pass (freebsd.org: 8.8.178.116 is authorized to use 'owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org' in 'mfrom' identity (mechanism 'ip4:8.8.178.116' matched)) receiver=mx4.ozon.ru; identity=mfrom; envelope-from="owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org"; helo=mx2.freebsd.org; client-ip=8.8.178.116 Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.116]) by mail1.ozon.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2117193B9 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 00:30:34 +0400 (MSK) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:88]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B14025E8; Sat, 11 May 2013 20:30:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B81EBD; Sat, 11 May 2013 20:30:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org) Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A27FE37; Sat, 11 May 2013 20:30:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A9BC7E0; Sat, 11 May 2013 20:30:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5F53AF45; Sat, 11 May 2013 13:30:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: CyberLeo Kitsana Subject: Re: WANTED: Tool to verify installed package/port consistancy In-Reply-To: <518E1A51.3020702@cyberleo.net> Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 13:30:18 -0700 Message-ID: <96251.1368304218@server1.tristatelogic.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 May 2013 08:03:00.0607 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F12F0F0:01CE4EE7] Cc: John Levine , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 05:25:17 -0000 In message <518E1A51.3020702@cyberleo.net>, you wrote: >On 05/10/2013 03:04 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > >> pkg_sanity: ImageMagick-6.8.0.7_1: +CONTENTS file does not exist -- skipped >> pkg_sanity: ORBit2-2.14.19: /usr/local/lib/libORBit-2.so: File failed MD5 checksum >> pkg_sanity: ORBit2-2.14.19: /usr/local/lib/libORBit-imodule-2.so: File failed MD5 checksum >> pkg_sanity: ORBit2-2.14.19: /usr/local/lib/libORBitCosNaming-2.so: File failed MD5 checksum >> pkg_sanity: OpenEXR-1.7.1: /usr/local/lib/libIlmImf.so: File failed MD5 checksum >> pkg_sanity: aalib-1.4.r5_6: /usr/local/lib/libaa.so: File failed MD5 checksum > > >Are these mismatches symlinks? Some are. >If so, are you checking the contents of >the symlink (with, for instance, stat(1) or readlink(1)), or the >contents of the file to which the symlink is referring? The latter. (I would have had to have done something special in order to compute the md5 fo teh symlink itself, and I did not do so. I have just now checked, and my script is indeed getting the md5 of the files to which the various symlinks refer.) It is clear to me now that "pkg_info -g" is either skipping certain files that are listed in the relevant +CONTENTS files or else it is computing the MD5 checksums in an odd way. I do not think that the latter possibility is at all likely. I will be looking at this more deeply as time permits. Regards, rfg _______________________________________________ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 06:15:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E10372F for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 06:15:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa09-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.238]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 117D410F for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 06:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by p3plsmtpa09-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id c6Fb1l00E4XeM01016Fc5M; Tue, 14 May 2013 23:15:36 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 23:15:35 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: "Edwin L. Culp W." Subject: Re: OT, i think... Message-ID: <20130515061535.GA31614@ethic.thought.org> References: <20130512090004.GA18013@ethic.thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 06:15:44 -0000 On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 03:02:28PM -0500, Edwin L. Culp W. wrote: > SIMIoff topic. (I think) > > Sorry but I am envious that you have a chrome working. I am stuck with the > ===> chromium-25.0.1364.172_1 has known vulnerabilities: > chromium-25.0.1364.172_1 is vulnerable: > chromium -- multiple vulnerabilities > > WWW: http://portaudit.FreeBSD.org/bdd48858-9656-11e2-a9a8-00262d5ed8ee.html > => Please update your ports tree and try again. > *** [check-vulnerable] Error code 1 > > Sorry but I'm not sure which is worse, having it or not having it. > > Again i apologize. > > ed > hmmm. the chrome that I have is running on my ubuntu linux laptop. [i've switched to linux because it was easier to upgrade. now, I dunno. at any rate, when I was fully BSD, some N years ago, there was no chrome... . The only ++plus is that I still know hoto hack code. :_) gary > On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > guys, > > > > if goog had their browser from BSD it would help big-time; I use one of > > the > > zillions of linux distros for my desktop. I dont have a bleeding edge > > cell. just something to call the cops or "access" [ small bus with wchair > > lift.] only have one hand, so cant easily hold cell and "type" blah * 3. > > > > SO, the upshot is, since I use firefox mostly, and chrome, rarely, I got a > > bit befuddled tonight trying to read an old philosopher's translation on > > chrome. I got to fess-up. reading on the screen is vastly easier than > > getting out a REAL book and paperweights, and taking off my eyeglasses, > > &C! tonight, I figured out howto enlarge the font and bring up the book. > > --i read "the prince" by nick whatever. this on google's browser. it > > took awhile before I realized that I wasnt hearing the words! yes, the > > speaker in the circle [[upper right]] read aloud and I could glean > > that much more by reading with eyes and ears. ===but=== is there some > > magic I ca n use to do an "All", and then fire off the text-to-voice? > > > > > > [[[the following is interesting only if you're into art schopenhauer. > > his works were not correctly xlated until {i think} 1954. I bought the > > p'back of his *Parerga and Paralipomena: A Collection of Philosophical > > Essays*. I never read it. google has it, and I suppose I could cough pup > > $whatever. but only if they got their tts stuff working without me having > > to > > mouse 600+ pages or whatever it requires. ]]] > > > > > > anybody know howto make this All menu cmd work in chrome? in ffox, it's > > a simple edit->control-A > > > > thanks much, > > > > gary > > > > > > > > -- > > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service > > Unix > > Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > -- > Bienes Raíces in Coatepec, Veracruz, Mexico > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Inmobiliaria-Bienes-Raices-httpEcoManiainfo/102249989850215?sk=photos_albums > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. 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Assumed pulseaudio should be installed, this likely is the culprit, if so, remove it. Hth, Ralf no, I haven't got it installed. 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(roland@82.157.52.15) by 192.168.1.64 with CAMELLIA256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 15 May 2013 06:32:56 -0000 Message-ID: <51932EE1.3010601@micite.net> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 08:44:49 +0200 From: Roland van Laar User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130404 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS mirror install /mnt is empty References: <5190058D.2030705@micite.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp08.online.nl) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 06:45:02 -0000 On 13-05-13 07:58, Trond Endrestøl wrote: > On Sun, 12 May 2013 23:11+0200, Roland van Laar wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I followed these[1] step up to the Finishing touches. >> I'm using a 9.1 Release. >> >> After the install I go into the shell and /mnt is empty. >> The mount command shows that the zfs partitions are mounted. >> When I reboot the system it can't find the bootloader. >> >> What can I do to fix this? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Roland van Laar >> >> [1] https://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/9.0-RELEASE > Looking through the wiki notes I would do a couple of things in a > different way. > > Since you're running 9.1-RELEASE you should take into account the need > for the /boot/zfs/zpool.cache file until 9.2-RELEASE exist or you > switch to the latest 9-STABLE. > > Create your zpool using a command like this one: > > zpool create -o cachefile=/tmp/zpool.cache -m /tmp/zroot zroot /dev/gpt/disk0 > > Copy the /tmp/zpool.cache file to /tmp/zroot/boot/zfs/zpool.cache, or > in your case to /mnt/boot/zfs/zpool.cache after extracting the base > and kernel stuff. > > In the wiki section Finishing touches, perform step 4 before step 3. > The final command missing in step 3 should be zfs unmount -a once > more. Avoid step 5 at all cost! > > Maybe this recipe is easier to follow, it sure works for 9.0-RELEASE > and 9.1-RELEASE, I only hope you're happy typing long commands, and > yes, command line editing is available in the shell: > > https://ximalas.info/2011/10/17/zfs-root-fs-on-freebsd-9-0/ Thank you for that link. This worked (better). I'm getting into the 'mountroot>' shell during the boot. Oh well, I'm getting better at this. The ZFS guides on the wiki leave you with a empty root zfs filesystem after the installation. After I know a bit more about ZFS and why the FreeBSD wiki is wrong on ZFS installation I hope to edit them. Thank you all for your answers, Regards, Roland van Laar From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 07:35:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F58D5E3 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 07:35:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45CC23E0 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 07:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [82.113.99.93] (helo=tiny.Sisis.de) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UcWFh-0006Ge-OG for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 May 2013 09:35:58 +0200 Received: from tiny.Sisis.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r4F7ZtsS001122 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 09:35:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3/Submit) id r4F7Ztge001121 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 May 2013 09:35:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: tiny.Sisis.de: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 09:35:54 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: detecting keyboard layout during boot Message-ID: <20130515073554.GA1098@tiny.Sisis.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT r235646 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 82.113.99.93 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 07:35:59 -0000 Hello, I have in /etc/rc.conf a line keymap="german.iso" to set the keyboard to German; as the system in question is on an USB key for boot and sometimes used in other laptops with QWERTY layout, I would like to have it adapt itself to the actual layout without changing anything before booting in rc.conf and without asking the user to press a key ... is there some way to detect the actual keyboard layout automagically? Thanks matthias -- Sent from my FreeBSD netbook Matthias Apitz | - No system with backdoors like Apple/Android E-mail: guru@unixarea.de | - Never being an iSlave WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | - No proprietary attachments, no HTML/RTF in E-mail phone: +49-170-4527211 | - Respect for open standards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 08:32:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D4F956 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 08:32:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from c.kworr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-f179.google.com (mail-lb0-f179.google.com [209.85.217.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C3E898 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 08:32:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f179.google.com with SMTP id d10so1594564lbj.38 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 01:32:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=s0dsnQK96k6IZOX6tnjUWv8ctkcLnKdfrftg6Ja5pVA=; b=Z22RYO2Y2s0Go2S3rpqXgvm9D7TQnx83WA5GPs4Vm0rXENvkaBe2bMB7mf9rIw97Sk lHLveIQ6CYMpUa/r2Xx71TyamEhrxVZ+FjtQwX15JUWvOVB8SelDhSItfnJW804u6swz wPQ40DhZOFXigHKJl9Zk+O1c30NJDxoDc5sOdsdcZZ21OQJHOwBdJHjwa5yMJLjUGE0H cEU/c2DUjPn54HWuNW0GUYwtZ3EByRA6yCOdFLx5kiO0N10wLaLo2kgkIoX+SQPcP3r1 u88OY2JWccTftZFJKe+Cs/ED6jj/pCWlHV0BfHQI51KOM+8QHz25HCAvz/SVbQBG0ml6 JSlw== X-Received: by 10.112.185.67 with SMTP id fa3mr13336105lbc.118.1368606754289; Wed, 15 May 2013 01:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.129] (mau.donbass.com. [92.242.127.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d3sm874483lbe.13.2013.05.15.01.32.32 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 15 May 2013 01:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5193481F.7010601@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 11:32:31 +0300 From: Volodymyr Kostyrko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Harrison , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Status of Chromium port... References: <20130514204857.GA2207@thinkpad.piggybox> In-Reply-To: <20130514204857.GA2207@thinkpad.piggybox> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 08:32:41 -0000 14.05.2013 23:48, Peter Harrison: > Hello list! > > Does anyone know the status of the Chromium port? It's stuck at v25 with multiple vulnerabilities. Updated versions have been available for a while, but haven't been brought into ports. I've emailed the maintainer but not had a response. Anyone know better? I'm building v27 from port now. Looks like many things have changed since v25 - new dependencies, the build flows differently. Seems to be a major update. -- Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 08:33:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F34ACA for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 08:33:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from smtp-out01.alice-dsl.net (smtp-out01.alice-dsl.net [88.44.60.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059328AA for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 08:33:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out.alice-dsl.de ([192.168.125.59]) by smtp-out01.alice-dsl.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 15 May 2013 10:31:02 +0200 Received: from [78.50.22.106] ([78.50.22.106]) by out.alice-dsl.de over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 15 May 2013 10:30:43 +0200 Message-ID: <1368606642.1334.80.camel@archlinux> Subject: Re: detecting keyboard layout during boot From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 10:30:42 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20130515073554.GA1098@tiny.Sisis.de> References: <20130515073554.GA1098@tiny.Sisis.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.8.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2013 08:30:43.0742 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D9E73E0:01CE5146] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 08:33:13 -0000 On Wed, 2013-05-15 at 09:35 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > is there some way to detect the actual keyboard layout > automagically? I suspect it's impossible to request what keyboard is used, since some Linux installers ask the user to type some keys, after that auto-detection does work. Perhaps you only can start a session with a script, that does ask the user to type and then set up the needed keyboard map. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 08:57:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 081A82D6 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 08:57:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xavierfreebsdquestions@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qe0-f42.google.com (mail-qe0-f42.google.com [209.85.128.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C756D9A8 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 08:57:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qe0-f42.google.com with SMTP id 1so1114406qee.29 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 01:57:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rSXnJMTq7lfiwvOMaQYaauLzFoZ7qkNmGtc2LKiXwXw=; b=cj5Q6lqI1wHoOv96W9Nq59JWn2uAlzl6anIrHJKfaDf4Cpm7Zw+pLf5Hv+wox+VN0C JgnUShEI9CZhXwXRDwuhj/4Ys9Hv5o18JuDZFiW6YMShFydvCkvDEvlSLSEgpOGgKJI2 lx2IwLX3fvrumyb/vlRwOCZK00OBC0STzujzPa2VzEovI3LPve4RDt9hjUB91iibj/H5 +7c4GheTQsprg6LOLxsXBR+jKW4iVE6kdu6m6XrTsbpwywHiV/LV45NjiDeEI0Qx8HFB K1H8ewuQKPPksZAWe8EO0EqzO1pyFvhGBu4eS1s2LZ4bu1Y6mdWjDm7wycmtWOtao8UQ nnzQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.198.194 with SMTP id ep2mr26454178qab.51.1368608229275; Wed, 15 May 2013 01:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.2.100 with HTTP; Wed, 15 May 2013 01:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 10:57:09 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: lang/gcc47 don't compile From: Xavier To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 08:57:16 -0000 Hi to all, I try to compile lang/gcc47 and the last lines is: checking for closedir... yes checking for opendir... (cached) yes checking for readdir... yes configure: updating cache .././config.cache configure: creating ./config.status config.status: creating Makefile config.status: creating config.h config.status: executing default-1 commands Adding multilib support to Makefile in ../../.././../gcc-4.7-20130413/libjava/li bltdl with_multisubdir= config.status: executing depfiles commands gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc47/work/build' gmake: *** [bootstrap-lean] Error 2 *** [do-build] Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc47. *** [build] Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc47. Somebody can help me ? Thanks, see you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 10:36:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDFE75AE for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 10:36:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67AE779 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 10:36:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r4FAahZo047488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 May 2013 12:36:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id r4FAahrv047485; Wed, 15 May 2013 12:36:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 12:36:43 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: Xavier Subject: Re: lang/gcc47 don't compile In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="2055831798-1158840660-1368614203=:72982" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fig.ol.no Cc: freebsd-questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 10:36:47 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --2055831798-1158840660-1368614203=:72982 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 15 May 2013 10:57+0200, Xavier wrote: > Hi to all, > > I try to compile lang/gcc47 and the last lines is: > > checking for closedir... yes > checking for opendir... (cached) yes > checking for readdir... yes > configure: updating cache .././config.cache > configure: creating ./config.status > config.status: creating Makefile > config.status: creating config.h > config.status: executing default-1 commands > Adding multilib support to Makefile in ../../.././../gcc-4.7-20130413/libjava/li > bltdl > with_multisubdir= > config.status: executing depfiles commands > gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc47/work/build' > gmake: *** [bootstrap-lean] Error 2 > *** [do-build] Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc47. > *** [build] Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc47. > > Somebody can help me ? > > Thanks, see you. Confirmed on FreeBSD/amd64 stable/9 at r250039, with ports tree at r318141: root@enterprise:/usr/ports/lang/gcc47>make ... checking dl_iterate_phdr in target C library... unknown Using ggc-page for garbage collection. checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no Links are now set up to build a native compiler for x86_64-portbld-freebsd9.1. checking for exported symbols... yes checking for -rdynamic... yes checking for library containing dlopen... none required checking for -fPIC -shared... yes configure: updating cache ./config.cache configure: creating ./config.status config.status: creating as config.status: creating collect-ld config.status: creating nm config.status: creating Makefile config.status: creating ada/gcc-interface/Makefile config.status: creating ada/Makefile config.status: creating auto-host.h config.status: executing default commands gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/workdirs/usr/ports/lang/gcc47/work/build' gmake[1]: *** [stage1-bubble] Error 2 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/workdirs/usr/ports/lang/gcc47/work/build' gmake: *** [bootstrap-lean] Error 2 *** [do-build] Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc47. *** [build] Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc47. root@enterprise:/usr/ports/lang/gcc47> -- +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Vennlig hilsen, | Best regards, | | Trond Endrestøl, | Trond Endrestøl, | | IT-ansvarlig, | System administrator, | | Fagskolen Innlandet, | Gjøvik Technical College, Norway, | | tlf. mob. 952 62 567, | Cellular...: +47 952 62 567, | | sentralbord 61 14 54 00. | Switchboard: +47 61 14 54 00. | +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ --2055831798-1158840660-1368614203=:72982-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 13:01:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F36709 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 13:01:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: from mail-vc0-f171.google.com (mail-vc0-f171.google.com [209.85.220.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6739FAE9 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 13:01:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id m17so274513vca.2 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 06:01:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=4VePb7lkDo0hkPVCibdzNe+dbRCwSiKowl4ymEdKy7g=; b=U+CT1oleigczeXdpLPHl426iraPrjqLPCnKa8WIAGjDspRFwHM5KSO59pcfGvFlbp6 FqheT+4yvUfzgyGfsUidV6l6zl/WC4s75hPSfAplJSp48OymvFu//AbrluX2/ca6/hOZ iP8VBgVaszvQtrcZn6zf/rPOGeCNrj23Fsk7pdm/VnaTsm+O/53vsnbfSZWKbwN41VHq 6+7fpDlCtaJxLasOx2SBLtFqCvlgHTr2QsM8R6lshlnj3ouvcdKgav2rHO4FdOM52C80 ABFuhmO9Zg9DtOkyto4PFdZTvTW1H2KhxX5LVk7hiqdEl7pJJns50TMkhuSMZdCOETVG rb9A== X-Received: by 10.52.236.135 with SMTP id uu7mr10446533vdc.61.1368622886484; Wed, 15 May 2013 06:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.66] ([96.236.21.119]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id kz18sm2595745vdb.13.2013.05.15.06.01.25 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 15 May 2013 06:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Subject: Re: List Spam Filtering From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: <5192F06A.5060308@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 09:01:24 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <31B79403-401A-4BFC-835E-EC89D84F83C2@kraus-haus.org> References: <1368039547.0568389241738319@mf7.sendgrid.net> <201305090026.r490QQeA095142@fire.js.berklix.net> <20130512120452.GA27244@gsp.org> <5192F06A.5060308@herveybayaustralia.com.au> To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn5XQ4O9Pj9gkXbLwxs+pItsrxpYBHKMMXdiTR7+SqrulN34Nbf6pnL1VFlrHa4rvls6l+f X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 13:01:28 -0000 On May 14, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Da Rock = wrote: > I'm a big fan of _not_ having to subscribe to a list to get a quick = hand with a one off problem (obviously not this one!)- otherwise too = many lists get subscribed to, oodles of messages come in which you can't = do anything about and so forth (so its not simply just a matter of = subscribe, unsubscribe as noted). 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I am not trying to make work for people, just suggesting another = way to address the competing issues of SPAM reduction and ease of = access. -- Paul Kraus Deputy Technical Director, LoneStarCon 3 Sound Coordinator, Schenectady Light Opera Company From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 13:21:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B532E2D for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 13:21:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: from mail-ve0-x236.google.com (mail-ve0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c01::236]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF63CD49 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 13:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f182.google.com with SMTP id da11so1940050veb.41 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 06:21:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=eDGNt/nKue7Eam5vhOQsXI/gjkj1ob7EzwjfQ5AZ8tk=; b=DRqCB4HFDzj0atd+ntLruMREyB0Nwy7eEFDzcl0CYTiwF/BHJBw/Biy8La/mtYD7vF dBFEURu5pBu/gtVG0/8Lyva9G6odBvGQIA8ZPXreN3bunvWGO4zeaG8Qo9f5JuJUKJsi M0JWeIpyAXcpftr2l+aGvs3RUQKO+eI8SoSMiUwD7FdsgpB1uoPihIyhGS7eeL1rlveF mvQNZOhOKQGUoCT2rd4K25kYCp4vQNQP1YXbA/z9t8Gib8uhJGCk4JLp9o48OBkAWR29 rxFYns7oEtLy0qzliyLoXW7oAC4RW5LxH/cZq/OlZ6Dv3MOKSBUT6FVx9S6PDEEkSXSZ /BYw== X-Received: by 10.59.3.9 with SMTP id bs9mr24849866ved.38.1368624084116; Wed, 15 May 2013 06:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.66] ([96.236.21.119]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id lb10sm2693369veb.5.2013.05.15.06.21.23 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 15 May 2013 06:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Subject: Re: [offtopic] ZFS mirror install /mnt is empty From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 09:21:22 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0C068E38-21E7-4D5F-A44B-074EFD34ADB7@kraus-haus.org> References: <5190058D.2030705@micite.net> <472E17AF-B249-4FD3-8F5E-716F8B7867F5@kraus-haus.org> <8C7A7E3A-355A-405F-840E-A60B4B6CBB1C@kraus-haus.org> To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmZ0mXmv5m/7p8jEgnRoZCWWfIVFr05Q/L1iB2KbgK63blXgng+mf1teo+CX5JMoK6bBRGn X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 13:21:25 -0000 I responded to Trond privately. On May 15, 2013, at 2:25 AM, Trond Endrest=F8l = wrote: > Am I the only one to receive these emails twice, delayed only by a=20 > couple of days since receiving the original emails? >=20 > Judging be the headers below this is either misconfiguration, a MITM=20= > attack or something else. -- Paul Kraus Deputy Technical Director, LoneStarCon 3 Sound Coordinator, Schenectady Light Opera Company From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 13:27:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20963F78 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 13:27:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E08C4DAD for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 13:27:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-6-62.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.6.62]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A4227628; Wed, 15 May 2013 15:27:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r4FDRPBd002034; Wed, 15 May 2013 15:27:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 15:27:24 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Matthias Apitz Subject: Re: detecting keyboard layout during boot Message-Id: <20130515152724.1ef31a58.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20130515073554.GA1098@tiny.Sisis.de> References: <20130515073554.GA1098@tiny.Sisis.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 13:27:23 -0000 On Wed, 15 May 2013 09:35:54 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > Hello, > > I have in /etc/rc.conf a line > > keymap="german.iso" > > to set the keyboard to German; as the system in question is on an USB > key for boot and sometimes used in other laptops with QWERTY layout, I > would like to have it adapt itself to the actual layout without changing > anything before booting in rc.conf and without asking the user to press > a key ... is there some way to detect the actual keyboard layout > automagically? Basically, it's impossible, but it can be made possible by the power of FreeBSD. :-) Allow me to explain: Depending on where the keyboard is attached, some connections (AT 5 pin plug, PS/2 6 pin mini-plug) do not offer any means to detect what keyboard is connected (or even _if_ a keyboard is connected). This case usually applies to keyboards built into laptops. You can see that in "dmesg | grep kbd". Example: % dmesg | grep kbd kbd1 at kbdmux0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] atkbd0: [ITHREAD] ukbd0: on usbus1 kbd2 at ukbd0 You see: The AT keyboard controller is detected, kbd0 is available. But there is no actual keyboard connected to that PS/2 port. Instead, a Sun USB Type 7 keyboard (german layout) is being used here, as kbd2. But as you're asking about USB, there is a way. But this way depends on how the manufacturer cooperates. Let's discuss that. As you know, every USB device is characterized by two specific USB numbers: vendor ID and product ID. In some cases, the product ID is different regarding the language layout, but you need to test that individually, no standard seems to exist. Then, you can use the devd.conf file to select per this ID and load the correct keyboard layout. This is done in the "rc.conf stage". Prior to this stage, the "kernel stage", you can hardcode layouts in the kernel config. Last time I checked this stopped working, I have been told that the use of kbdmux is the reason for this observation. Example: options ATKBD_DFLT_KEYMAP makeoptions ATKBD_DFLT_KEYMAP=german.iso options UKBD_DFLT_KEYMAP makeoptions UKBD_DFLT_KEYMAP=german.iso Those options would enable a german keyboard layout even in SUM. Even adding a font for proper display has been possible: options SC_DFLT_FONT makeoptions SC_DFLT_FONT=iso Not sure if this is still supported. Using Umlauts and Eszett is discouraged in filenames, and the blind knowledge of the US keyboard layout is quite standard among sysadmins. :-) As a summery: No soup for you! ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 13:53:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 346B37ED for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 13:53:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C90CAF2D for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 13:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [82.113.99.93] (helo=tiny.Sisis.de) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ucc8m-0003dq-0a; Wed, 15 May 2013 15:53:12 +0200 Received: from tiny.Sisis.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r4FDr9sd002098; Wed, 15 May 2013 15:53:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3/Submit) id r4FDr83D002097; Wed, 15 May 2013 15:53:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: tiny.Sisis.de: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 15:53:08 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Polytropon Subject: Re: detecting keyboard layout during boot Message-ID: <20130515135308.GA2090@tiny.Sisis.de> References: <20130515073554.GA1098@tiny.Sisis.de> <20130515152724.1ef31a58.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20130515152724.1ef31a58.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT r235646 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 82.113.99.93 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 13:53:16 -0000 El día Wednesday, May 15, 2013 a las 03:27:24PM +0200, Polytropon escribió: > On Wed, 15 May 2013 09:35:54 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I have in /etc/rc.conf a line > > > > keymap="german.iso" > > > > to set the keyboard to German; as the system in question is on an USB > > key for boot and sometimes used in other laptops with QWERTY layout, I > > would like to have it adapt itself to the actual layout without changing > > anything before booting in rc.conf and without asking the user to press > > a key ... is there some way to detect the actual keyboard layout > > automagically? > > Basically, it's impossible, but it can be made possible by the > power of FreeBSD. :-) > > Allow me to explain: > > Depending on where the keyboard is attached, some connections > (AT 5 pin plug, PS/2 6 pin mini-plug) do not offer any means to > detect what keyboard is connected (or even _if_ a keyboard is > connected). This case usually applies to keyboards built into > laptops. You can see that in "dmesg | grep kbd". > > Example: > > % dmesg | grep kbd > kbd1 at kbdmux0 > atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 > atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 > kbd0 at atkbd0 > atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] > atkbd0: [ITHREAD] > ukbd0: rev 2.00/1.05, addr 5> on usbus1 > kbd2 at ukbd0 > > You see: The AT keyboard controller is detected, kbd0 is available. > But there is no actual keyboard connected to that PS/2 port. Instead, > a Sun USB Type 7 keyboard (german layout) is being used here, as > kbd2. Hello, Here on an laptop/netbook EeePC 900 with English keyboard it says: # dmesg | fgrep kbd kbd1 at kbdmux0 atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 how do I know that the kb layout is English? > But as you're asking about USB, there is a way. But this way > depends on how the manufacturer cooperates. Let's discuss that. USB was only meant as the boot device. matthias -- Sent from my FreeBSD netbook Matthias Apitz | - No system with backdoors like Apple/Android E-mail: guru@unixarea.de | - Never being an iSlave WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | - No proprietary attachments, no HTML/RTF in E-mail phone: +49-170-4527211 | - Respect for open standards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 14:45:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21295941 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 14:45:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E03222F3 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 14:45:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-6-62.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.6.62]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318CF3D0EF; Wed, 15 May 2013 16:45:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r4FEjU56002236; Wed, 15 May 2013 16:45:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 16:45:30 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Matthias Apitz Subject: Re: detecting keyboard layout during boot Message-Id: <20130515164530.6241a910.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20130515135308.GA2090@tiny.Sisis.de> References: <20130515073554.GA1098@tiny.Sisis.de> <20130515152724.1ef31a58.freebsd@edvax.de> <20130515135308.GA2090@tiny.Sisis.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 14:45:24 -0000 On Wed, 15 May 2013 15:53:08 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > Hello, > > Here on an laptop/netbook EeePC 900 with English keyboard it says: > > # dmesg | fgrep kbd > kbd1 at kbdmux0 > atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 > atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 > kbd0 at atkbd0 > atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] > psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 > > how do I know that the kb layout is English? By looking at it. ONLY by looking at it. :-) Even if you would remove the built-in keyboard (disconnect the flex), you would see that entry. It's not about the keyboard per se, it's about the keyboard controller. This interface usually is "in parallel" with a PS/2 connector (if present). There is no language information in it. > > But as you're asking about USB, there is a way. But this way > > depends on how the manufacturer cooperates. Let's discuss that. > > USB was only meant as the boot device. Okay, then I misread it. English is not my native language. :-) The logical conclusion: You have no way to find out what keyboard is physically installed (or attached via PS/2). This _might_ be not entirely true: If you can obtain some hardware identification of the eeePC you're using, maybe some kind of ACPI string or other vendor and product ID from some component, you could guess what "localization" the device has, and then assume what keyboard is installed. But that's just a wild guess from my side. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 15:05:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3179BD77 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 15:05:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from signorecitizen@myopera.com) Received: from momout1-smtp.messagingengine.com (momout1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A45C5FB for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 15:05:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.46]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7BF33EB; Wed, 15 May 2013 10:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web2.nyi.mail.srv.osa ([10.202.2.212]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 15 May 2013 10:57:08 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=message-id:from:to:cc:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to :references; s=smtpout; bh=kTfa24FArHECV5X73xfrSpc0JoE=; b=Jk/9y pIm68wjrbHv1Y/DMolPTl6xSsklmgC6QHAk2ATUURb0jjaJ8IL954HfKUhFs5XFd y/RqcPFCZUaGrbfc12Fof4ob+AfCkE2yml3A/hNMKXQ6WNWb0YWvoYDplff0n1vS 7HSDj8gSh05wRA42QkFCtGZkx8V/+vG7JxO1MM= Received: by web2.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix, from userid 99) id B463E200269; Wed, 15 May 2013 10:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1368629828.11935.140661231410401.7AEEEFA9@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: PuZEBtg5AlOxL88qN58QX0bv5QAusnbjllCOdC5+2uBi 1368629828 From: Signore Citizen To: Polytropon , Matthias Apitz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-efdc2334 Subject: Re: detecting keyboard layout during boot Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 07:57:08 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20130515164530.6241a910.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20130515073554.GA1098@tiny.Sisis.de> <20130515152724.1ef31a58.freebsd@edvax.de> <20130515135308.GA2090@tiny.Sisis.de> <20130515164530.6241a910.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 15:05:18 -0000 On Wed, May 15, 2013, at 07:45 AM, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 15 May 2013 15:53:08 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Here on an laptop/netbook EeePC 900 with English keyboard it says: > > > > # dmesg | fgrep kbd > > kbd1 at kbdmux0 > > atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 > > atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 > > kbd0 at atkbd0 > > atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] > > psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 > > > > how do I know that the kb layout is English? > > By looking at it. ONLY by looking at it. :-) > > Even if you would remove the built-in keyboard (disconnect the > flex), you would see that entry. It's not about the keyboard per > se, it's about the keyboard controller. This interface usually > is "in parallel" with a PS/2 connector (if present). There is > no language information in it. > > > > > > But as you're asking about USB, there is a way. But this way > > > depends on how the manufacturer cooperates. Let's discuss that. > > > > USB was only meant as the boot device. > > Okay, then I misread it. English is not my native language. :-) > > The logical conclusion: You have no way to find out what keyboard > is physically installed (or attached via PS/2). > > This _might_ be not entirely true: If you can obtain some hardware > identification of the eeePC you're using, maybe some kind of ACPI > string or other vendor and product ID from some component, you could > guess what "localization" the device has, and then assume what > keyboard is installed. But that's just a wild guess from my side. > > Have you tried dmidecode? Handle 0x000E, DMI type 8, 9 bytes Port Connector Information Internal Reference Designator: J1A1 Internal Connector Type: None External Reference Designator: Keyboard External Connector Type: PS/2 Port Type: Keyboard Port Handle 0x000F, DMI type 8, 9 bytes Port Connector Information Internal Reference Designator: J1A1 Internal Connector Type: None External Reference Designator: Mouse External Connector Type: PS/2 Port Type: Mouse Port -- Signore Citizen signorecitizen@myopera.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 15:36:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB3968D for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 15:36:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clarkjp@charter.net) Received: from mail.cluebytwelve.org (clueby12.org [198.186.190.239]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC3947E9 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 15:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from MacPorter.local (24-183-226-240.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com [24.183.226.240]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cluebytwelve.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2EAE71B5FE for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 11:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MacPorter.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id D86333E07D70; Wed, 15 May 2013 10:29:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 10:29:04 -0500 From: "J. Porter Clark" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Status of Chromium port... Message-ID: <20130515152904.GA72610@MacPorter.local> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20130514204857.GA2207@thinkpad.piggybox> <5193481F.7010601@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5193481F.7010601@gmail.com> Organization: http://www.angelfire.com/ego/porterclark/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 15:36:30 -0000 On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:32:31AM +0300, Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote: > 14.05.2013 23:48, Peter Harrison: > >Hello list! > > > >Does anyone know the status of the Chromium port? It's stuck at v25 with multiple vulnerabilities. Updated versions have been available for a while, but haven't been brought into ports. I've emailed the maintainer but not had a response. Anyone know better? > > I'm building v27 from port now. Looks like many things have changed > since v25 - new dependencies, the build flows differently. Seems to > be a major update. Indeed, seems a real mess now. I told it not to use pulseaudio, it wants to install it anyway, along with gdbm and accessibility/speech-dispatcher. WTF? Might want to hold off until some of this gets fixed... -- J. Porter Clark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 16:01:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A4ECF9 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 16:01:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from c.kworr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-x22d.google.com (mail-la0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22d]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D72AA941 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 16:01:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f45.google.com with SMTP id ec20so1652131lab.32 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 09:01:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FJ4ZjYtDRwDKD9ut1JBdCe/ldluGHkTnqKNQQa+jlVI=; b=vnifZKhiZHLxYPkzTYhSKK+o2DKLi0GS2z2NXxfb8AuwEMb1gfQttBp3k60DLBNoAx xdPg8wPoi43tIeWYQgnQTDOqqut4I+nGoe46HU0eXqvXQLyMoXBJNtumN4uBXzQtEVr1 +DFAGtBXhAx6Ogc0s1WahcymAgrqcMgwnDq3A04QEIbnYz6Nc8XCr0ZZXqDeCHmkck8K 2Z5G9OgFjok7K7kAvxTmrd7BEt7hE1FbEUQTuk8uXJk5m+84k3wD+6uSPnwvGNYYntTH 91ukQTwW6P25zFY40z2FL2K2pk0N+x88znpKMImcXJVCxC9cpw1TtzOzjVbEqC7H05tj 0KPg== X-Received: by 10.112.171.202 with SMTP id aw10mr11209992lbc.32.1368633704358; Wed, 15 May 2013 09:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.129] (mau.donbass.com. [92.242.127.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id u4sm1589329lbq.2.2013.05.15.09.01.43 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 15 May 2013 09:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5193B166.3030706@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 19:01:42 +0300 From: Volodymyr Kostyrko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Status of Chromium port... References: <20130514204857.GA2207@thinkpad.piggybox> <5193481F.7010601@gmail.com> <20130515152904.GA72610@MacPorter.local> In-Reply-To: <20130515152904.GA72610@MacPorter.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 16:01:46 -0000 15.05.2013 18:29, J. Porter Clark: > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:32:31AM +0300, Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote: >> 14.05.2013 23:48, Peter Harrison: >>> Hello list! >>> >>> Does anyone know the status of the Chromium port? It's stuck at v25 with multiple vulnerabilities. Updated versions have been available for a while, but haven't been brought into ports. I've emailed the maintainer but not had a response. Anyone know better? >> >> I'm building v27 from port now. Looks like many things have changed >> since v25 - new dependencies, the build flows differently. Seems to >> be a major update. > > Indeed, seems a real mess now. I told it not to use > pulseaudio, it wants to install it anyway, along with gdbm and > accessibility/speech-dispatcher. WTF? Might want to hold off > until some of this gets fixed... > Oh, a friendly soul. To ditch pulseaudio I told speech-dispatcher to use flite, this way we get really short list of extra deps. I can't build port for now due too -Werror. Clang shrieks about really bad things when compiling gcrypt (warning about deprecated interfaces) whereas gcc4.6 says the same about gssapi.h. -- Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 16:40:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF8C6FD for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 16:40:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paranormal@isgroup.com.ua) Received: from isgroup.com.ua (mail.isgroup.com.ua [46.229.54.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213F9B40 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 16:40:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.11.5] (unused-213.111.71.103.bilink.ua [213.111.71.103] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by isgroup.com.ua (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r4FGRpwZ075183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 May 2013 19:27:51 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from paranormal@isgroup.com.ua) Subject: Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken? From: paranormal To: Quartz In-Reply-To: <5160AAF9.2020907@sneakertech.com> References: <20130406213911.GB2802@schweikhardt.net> <5160AAF9.2020907@sneakertech.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-6y4t7L14eHMKUQfT4h1Q" Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 19:27:06 +0300 Message-ID: <1368635226.37871.1.camel@eva02> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on isgroup.com.ua Cc: FreeBSD questions , Jens Schweikhardt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 16:40:09 -0000 --=-6y4t7L14eHMKUQfT4h1Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Finally, I have done it. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/de-tube On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 19:08 -0400, Quartz wrote: > > I can work around this by downloading the files with clive and watching > > with mplayer, but I'd like to make this work again. >=20 > To be honest, this is really the best solution for all platforms,=20 > win/mac/bsd/etc. I don't have flash installed on any of my machines: I= =20 > use a plugin that downloads the mp4 and auto opens it in a local video= =20 > player. This always works, you can jump/rewind without constant=20 > buffering, you don't have to deal with ads, and you don't have to deal= =20 > with flash maxing out your cpu for no reason. >=20 > ______________________________________ > it has a certain smooth-brained appeal > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" --=-6y4t7L14eHMKUQfT4h1Q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (FreeBSD) iQIcBAABCgAGBQJRk7daAAoJEJv+PjkKQxN0YN4P/j2nGUsM52wptwAw2xrr+jIP puMER0WMauaGyzQnkREWNc8Aw1/dwRKOzCcBi5jwWuoxN5LLTxIrouQUQqr/Qu8Y 9CQoiDMlYDNM6x2poSUJQ6bq5+HwbhiLjoJ9c1f4KSa7PNpijWkrHRrE4sD84tuH a2pAhyXuK4D3bW7jcIf6V8j/eoiSCv+d+HqcvJC60cl3rxw+9w4iS43SDy513Pqw WiUR+AA79h727Ip86VDCHGUhCaqydd3AjWyM9jhtEMJBDcmvO1VHzqS3ELy6ba3t +vbZv4eWpeb0Oz88omtxxq/1J1Pzg+36Jw+IXMP4/BxQzeihLomDzfxddDIFeWgQ trVzgzWjkgjYzWHgxUx2K28cjf4nKrUg0Jw+aIJaXrjPmFNi+hB34teOeojE4+fD ALEaJpC5LAnxSYYZHNQDp1E2WxDZHt70y8xnzME0WddIloKWWChmn9Ydwv8pfq5+ Z316n5WDSIYp8yvNwBe23KfaJE+0dSX9uvrSx4l9EVx2OTVbqPimJhpGabB+CLVe CQpCkAn11QQIVUGb6vgmHLg0SJ/RrmLkUnDxTJsPkN8vt8HLnhafuka4K8/qZbi2 tiUm1WDsloWtzrznQDzvzHrE5qV4ahWuwzq6OvC1bX3Ja98mGsYjo5V9Qv2v2Mgl Y0B8bUnTyBRz0twHpBJn =LpQn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-6y4t7L14eHMKUQfT4h1Q-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 17:43:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD7CC08 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 17:43:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tommyhp2@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-x233.google.com (mail-la0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD29F8A for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 17:43:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f51.google.com with SMTP id lx15so115704lab.24 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 10:43:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=BN60rmG/1YPgtUl9d0haSOENQDRfsStTIFeqL2Sr9Aw=; b=MGsuwoULQfW9XWuPoRww6FXgDuTBZHR/PgUDfMYBEn/pFWXUuzc84lMhd+zm64gbvr JJJQgV9Uf/B0jlIeP882vQbzXMLoE1PVQKMK0xudxvjBaUgVEAU6JlVku0uDmdoFAXCD q4AtGckGAlKB0ZCmx0D2g7IkyXrc9JygGt61PJBAPBYSax5NR+W8vSK9duxeVSXmc3ZA 1KX9vc9C0CK83bjzan/Q2OL2eOne9ALXIAplg5pQTpRVy3Mk5RM4yP2KzAqtRLDyfqKV uK6CAcGCUEnPwCzSA5DlEQmmhCghO6octSaxYipqtNJ7UJJekophqcSb4zr3C7hQvbQv zN8Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.160.226 with SMTP id xn2mr17909287lbb.16.1368639807992; Wed, 15 May 2013 10:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.199.234 with HTTP; Wed, 15 May 2013 10:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 10:43:27 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Compiling a lean kernel of 9.1 p3 From: Tommy Pham To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 17:43:29 -0000 Hi everyone, I installed 9.1 from DVD with src only and did 'freebsd-update fetch install'. Then I proceed to compile the lean kernel. I'm unable to compile a lean (no SCSI, RAID, sound, USB, Firewire, NICs) kernel of 9.1 p3 and without lib32 support. I only needed SATA disk and em NIC support. The kernel compiled without errors. However, on boot, it freezes after the menu screen. My make.conf only have added (from default /usr/share/examples/etc): KERNCONF=custom CPUTYPE=?opteron I have no problem booting from GENERIC built kernel and buildworld with that make.conf. Could someone please tell me how can I troubleshoot this? TIA, Tommy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 17:47:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C686E2E for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 17:47:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tommyhp2@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-f177.google.com (mail-lb0-f177.google.com [209.85.217.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196E1FCA for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 17:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 13so2142780lba.22 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 10:47:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GzIUpOitRrLiftx3qlcTpfxwItOmRCsG21FAMxyVplo=; b=Qgg3EqW8Cs8A6V4dtk4r6kcYVkD0B5zhHCJHTpiJ2f8mD0hPgxrJY1QyP+q9qx/fPM 4r1XT2xU7yFtr5NOnDyU14wAIgEURUOAgctX0fR2IFXYUb4WaCpt4PLbGcHzIUg3jXAm 9ViXqcSCA+SuMnETd2OjguGX8FjAYGzEp0FUYP1B4hJueuyq2BIl49A7bgIza9njbRGe Gp7LvmTZXl3lvLhLBpGGOhIDLaV7rhQapM3i3ruYESHWO5/des/L6EFWVNSoPUB8zZNV ZkITRn6EbkEtjJdIHc+yC9HxoPi0fP27pde+s/NgN2y+PS7LqbAFvRcj1u7+s0LMLiP7 9aCg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.1.196 with SMTP id 4mr18627131lao.54.1368640025780; Wed, 15 May 2013 10:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.199.234 with HTTP; Wed, 15 May 2013 10:47:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 10:47:05 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Compiling a lean kernel of 9.1 p3 From: Tommy Pham To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 17:47:07 -0000 On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Tommy Pham wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I installed 9.1 from DVD with src only and did 'freebsd-update fetch > install'. Then I proceed to compile the lean kernel. I'm unable to > compile a lean (no SCSI, RAID, sound, USB, Firewire, NICs) kernel of 9.1 p3 > and without lib32 support. I only needed SATA disk and em NIC support. > The kernel compiled without errors. However, on boot, it freezes after > the menu screen. My make.conf only have added (from default > /usr/share/examples/etc): > > KERNCONF=custom > CPUTYPE=?opteron > > I have no problem booting from GENERIC built kernel and buildworld with > that make.conf. Could someone please tell me how can I troubleshoot this? > > TIA, > Tommy > Hi again, I said that wrong... I meant that I was able to compile OK but unable to boot with a lean kernel. I was able to boot buildworld and buildkernel of GENERIC. Thanks again, Tommy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 17:54:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E243F96 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 17:54:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nomadlogic@gmail.com) Received: from mail-da0-x232.google.com (mail-da0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E95EA2 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 17:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-da0-f50.google.com with SMTP id i23so245077dad.37 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 10:54:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=NfyNtPfRW6KuywbQ8lapnT6cGWQwRYD8PPKTwWmXYaE=; b=c3bGGSsOQC21octV7tAdPqk9Eu2979QOWlbMO3HNlmjBM5T6q1urXJPfTiMSZlkHpV jMC82bhkmIRmJJgSpsTDRV3+207fbndu3M3sZmfHmStfQPFJVM3HDj4kdEEY3GbHT1Pm MkpuzmZypLORg5QsE47uUmwpcZQdeuIFOq+RxKcPC/K1zV4mULJbjG58mt48yV7Oa7nb 1a/enD6BUi5CnxeQ9WEVfdYFs455Qdu1h80YogD5qsHsp9NP0O+ipCfES5kbimm4590L PG1AtTPkeGLh2kK7ZVLAGNiU8gfU/euiAXWRaQf1ZfuthzPHvdzFx69rDLVLEYsuyoTs edEA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.251.39 with SMTP id zh7mr40226937pac.62.1368640494830; Wed, 15 May 2013 10:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.157.163 with HTTP; Wed, 15 May 2013 10:54:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5193B166.3030706@gmail.com> References: <20130514204857.GA2207@thinkpad.piggybox> <5193481F.7010601@gmail.com> <20130515152904.GA72610@MacPorter.local> <5193B166.3030706@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 10:54:54 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Status of Chromium port... From: pete wright To: Volodymyr Kostyrko Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: User Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 17:54:55 -0000 On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote: > 15.05.2013 18:29, J. Porter Clark: > >> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:32:31AM +0300, Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote: >>> >>> 14.05.2013 23:48, Peter Harrison: >>>> >>>> Hello list! >>>> >>>> Does anyone know the status of the Chromium port? It's stuck at v25 with >>>> multiple vulnerabilities. Updated versions have been available for a while, >>>> but haven't been brought into ports. I've emailed the maintainer but not had >>>> a response. Anyone know better? >>> >>> >>> I'm building v27 from port now. Looks like many things have changed >>> since v25 - new dependencies, the build flows differently. Seems to >>> be a major update. >> >> >> Indeed, seems a real mess now. I told it not to use >> pulseaudio, it wants to install it anyway, along with gdbm and >> accessibility/speech-dispatcher. WTF? Might want to hold off >> until some of this gets fixed... >> > > Oh, a friendly soul. To ditch pulseaudio I told speech-dispatcher to use > flite, this way we get really short list of extra deps. > > I can't build port for now due too -Werror. Clang shrieks about really bad > things when compiling gcrypt (warning about deprecated interfaces) whereas > gcc4.6 says the same about gssapi.h. It looks like I was able to build this version of chromium last night on my build server I use for pkgng packages: > pkg info chromium chromium-27.0.1453.81 Mostly BSD-licensed web browser based on WebKit and Gtk+ I am running this build now (to compose this email actually) - i can try to dig up some build logs if that would be helpful. i don't have any special build arguments for this port. here's the uname for this build box: [pete@ranch ~]$ uname -ar FreeBSD ranch.nomadlogic.org 9.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE #0 r243825: Tue Dec 4 09:23:10 UTC 2012 root@farrell.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 -pete -- pete wright www.nycbug.org @nomadlogicLA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 19:11:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A74690 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 19:11:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from heiner_ej@yahoo.de) Received: from nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8FCA860B for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 19:11:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [77.238.189.56] by nm13.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2013 19:11:29 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.116] by tm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2013 19:11:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp153.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2013 19:11:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1368645089; bh=Me+hZkjxpS5/dWEu1k6i5/rZYt7LOAY2mn3z9X5otMg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=b+UCLx2puo2wPddT1h5M10RYNDOKVFgIL37zoew2t2zcSxwoDT42UUa5/yDHzTO7ysOO8AgvdQgDFPRCQvyRt0E3XYrmmCl5soD3RBgMHAJRmU9s6hBpoo1DtFenKS10mQ0lNfoOPNc3hRcgW54/1x/d3uSJ9BJZ3MiT6O+Q3+g= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 926389.78148.bm@smtp153.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: vYQ3xDwVM1kY2qApka2pHmae4i7WRLVkANBXwqr7noEWEE4 .t7ZLJQngk.1PYT0MJTFrEHnZe9_A2DdweaqJKtFpy09uFkiFf67HLmu5glp 51Q_P1Pbwi.Fo0KjywGQrdYLsDT1TduyXxLyksvRJO7nta8an_CDLaID6w8Z EtTn6cl2TcDW3RddXpatx18jLNI7xioEEzcxNVo1_axgjYmKRdY3QRbal1.m Dykh6J3QzfBbtTwUYPiJIGRvyRHsftuA3A0yUAdabFkc5NESKDMhhe2ZakV2 W_On0UofWPYV6dV1Ft.1jvrVYFCbaIvdzrELyTcP0xmZiq_8O_QeJvEy8eAx yoROV3aC2lUPedgz9XvwAClhyIX4S8BK_zFoG8zf5G28Kl.csYn6Uu2qbxpW qOtYBjV1DMzUM75zAE8xD6WPa33U0B.7RBKxu1_qIcJKaWPl7uhqf5tsKF4Y 1wW8D X-Yahoo-SMTP: 1E6x48qswBCS_99WpQQ3CarqUCtAng-- X-Rocket-Received: from [10.199.244.73] (heiner_ej@80.187.111.137 with ) by smtp153.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2013 19:11:29 +0000 UTC Subject: Y From: =?utf-8?Q?Heiner_Strau=C3=9F?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) Message-Id: <791C3DF3-5C05-4964-B1B3-4388C2AA984E@yahoo.de> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 21:11:28 +0200 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 19:11:32 -0000 Yeewy..2..a-..22.2...667<_%~ Von meinem iPhone gesendet From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 21:50:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BBBAD16 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 21:50:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from four.harrisons@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-x229.google.com (mail-wg0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CFFDC4 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 21:50:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f41.google.com with SMTP id y10so5581770wgg.2 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 14:50:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:date:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=KwU2AFkP1KAQ1YT/eYzMWsXzD94nemxfn+p9ItyF54U=; b=FFAbGLIyxA5ybHrb5JQp917hzmMbwaGmeCeFIFF+MSP3GzP+zJdDqBKMgaTh85rBKZ UCjaQHvPA089LzGfDJLS4dnREtHryrrVsLm92phlGFLS4EDkCIJq5/5e1TDqAr9mKFoI QFQbbqekFb8aYujfTvFL2DXGhz1ewTJAawUDtHOH4q5sJx9bO92x/rRzMdvIEyNfhvST PE1870WO8yBcUWjoVIDL2dev+761mC03vFPeK8hqGIp1Vt1ACVzKc9SvKxxFPzMXdfgj ldJm6zAl3ehVm/V4yakvYxaiFb2ULVRpLeEzNEWUe6M6T9m4OwPNMYq2tsV19fjsOpoV zRUQ== X-Received: by 10.180.206.77 with SMTP id lm13mr18408159wic.18.1368654622813; Wed, 15 May 2013 14:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (client-86-25-235-85.mcr-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net. [86.25.235.85]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fv11sm6974363wic.11.2013.05.15.14.50.20 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 15 May 2013 14:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by localhost (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 15 May 2013 23:00:03 +0100 From: Peter Harrison Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 23:00:03 +0100 To: Volodymyr Kostyrko Subject: Re: Status of Chromium port... Message-ID: <20130515220003.GA2146@thinkpad.piggybox> References: <20130514204857.GA2207@thinkpad.piggybox> <5193481F.7010601@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5193481F.7010601@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Peter Harrison X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 21:50:24 -0000 Wednesday, 15 May 2013 at 11:32:31 +0300, Volodymyr Kostyrko said: > 14.05.2013 23:48, Peter Harrison: > > Hello list! > > > > Does anyone know the status of the Chromium port? It's stuck at v25 with multiple vulnerabilities. Updated versions have been available for a while, but haven't been brought into ports. I've emailed the maintainer but not had a response. Anyone know better? > > I'm building v27 from port now. Looks like many things have changed > since v25 - new dependencies, the build flows differently. Seems to be a > major update. Wow the irony - the port gets updated on the same day I message the list. Thanks for being more on top of this than I am! Peter. > > -- > Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 15 21:51:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DEBDAD for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 21:51:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from four.harrisons@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-x22b.google.com (mail-wg0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D616DD3 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 21:51:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id c11so2106602wgh.10 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 14:51:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:date:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=+d2S5GUQhdxfpEXVZ59VpIQQjIKH0le6yG6FTR2nQQM=; b=nzjAXcXQ2cbRN+KnRjqZ3Z072tsau3/6sF2iMLw8dI846NJSMRjASZzEc59E2yyun+ k5RMih2Qu+37/fts02Rnok9eq7SJ8fVBAI0Om8oDNRJXpZdTR2TTYYuQYDkAYUuSNVSU L/7MYd1J5Wt220Rz8Vwc/5AFeq06vMF70s3y7n2lXwZuqBJR+1itQurc+6GtZsv8QnxX S9JO0qJboxmjlnSHOhD7/ZwAVTG1h6YYfZLz2FJW89oeqGzfzZb3uUVF0mN8sDG6fJXx LRNK8p+rltHyN5DIo0H6TF2MkbQ7P/E/c9UZq6By4QgSCpCPsg3UvVs+Y2ENQgqHvA6H nhiw== X-Received: by 10.181.12.1 with SMTP id em1mr18491124wid.4.1368654686693; Wed, 15 May 2013 14:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (client-86-25-235-85.mcr-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net. [86.25.235.85]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q13sm7002673wie.8.2013.05.15.14.51.25 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 15 May 2013 14:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by localhost (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 15 May 2013 23:01:07 +0100 From: Peter Harrison Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 23:01:07 +0100 To: Volodymyr Kostyrko Subject: Re: Status of Chromium port... Message-ID: <20130515220107.GB2146@thinkpad.piggybox> References: <20130514204857.GA2207@thinkpad.piggybox> <5193481F.7010601@gmail.com> <20130515152904.GA72610@MacPorter.local> <5193B166.3030706@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5193B166.3030706@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 21:51:28 -0000 Wednesday, 15 May 2013 at 19:01:42 +0300, Volodymyr Kostyrko said: > 15.05.2013 18:29, J. Porter Clark: > > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:32:31AM +0300, Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote: > >> 14.05.2013 23:48, Peter Harrison: > >>> Hello list! > >>> > >>> Does anyone know the status of the Chromium port? It's stuck at v25 with multiple vulnerabilities. Updated versions have been available for a while, but haven't been brought into ports. I've emailed the maintainer but not had a response. Anyone know better? > >> > >> I'm building v27 from port now. Looks like many things have changed > >> since v25 - new dependencies, the build flows differently. Seems to > >> be a major update. > > > > Indeed, seems a real mess now. I told it not to use > > pulseaudio, it wants to install it anyway, along with gdbm and > > accessibility/speech-dispatcher. WTF? Might want to hold off > > until some of this gets fixed... > > > > Oh, a friendly soul. To ditch pulseaudio I told speech-dispatcher to use > flite, this way we get really short list of extra deps. > > I can't build port for now due too -Werror. Clang shrieks about really > bad things when compiling gcrypt (warning about deprecated interfaces) > whereas gcc4.6 says the same about gssapi.h. Thanks both for the feedback. Having waited this far, I think I might hang on a little longer before attempting the upgrade. Peter. > > -- > Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 16 02:29:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E417605 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 02:29:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dudu.meyer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-x232.google.com (mail-ie0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D438DC for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 02:29:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f178.google.com with SMTP id b11so5470730iee.9 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 19:29:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=kHXL3SO7JswovAf4ruxBIHMY88kHwCl1Rr0f4PnjGA0=; b=kLlSs36tCS8Q5Ug5HYeZKLoIYF+7Z51g3NO0PfMOhpO5wWsQysYQRuJ7ifBvLdGMyn c9jyIITQivvjmoNnYk7TwLubzhdv9ukdBxkrJahDSUufmjT+WigDrAsfGyyk7fhL++Kw fJ/A0ko+yARVI/K/RtAFHVp5y8AUwlCtj1v8iSaRZZwCjJClrDNKlkGAonBcF4Ls/CCK ba8DhhkM9N6GSUHWJy5eKmR8GvM+tq9NxDfHW/Y9ARcO2ehCYUfNtvVFDngVRaXy1pKT O7WNDrrDBca8G5xYpy4EF/qZjxaGnzsJM8MACMgadzxoYOkWXdBlq/2SvLUTUHLHGz+0 lYAg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.44.77 with SMTP id c13mr7519062igm.17.1368671355964; Wed, 15 May 2013 19:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.88.35 with HTTP; Wed, 15 May 2013 19:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 23:29:15 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: From: Eduardo Meyer To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 02:29:16 -0000 Hello, I want to run FreeBSD with at least 4 igb devices on an hostile environment, therefore I am looking for a specific hardware. Does anyone is aware of an Atom-based board with 4 or more gigabit ether connections using Intel's 82575, 82576, 82580, I210/1, or I350 based gigabit chip? I know a couple of boards with Intel 82574L chipset like soekris 6501, but it won't do for me. -- =========== Eduardo Meyer pessoal: dudu.meyer@gmail.com profissional: ddm.farmaciap@saude.gov.br From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 16 02:42:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44A49EE for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 02:42:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net [IPv6:2001:44b8:8060:ff02:300:1:2:6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53FD8924 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 02:42:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ppp247-71.static.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([203.122.247.71]) by ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 16 May 2013 12:12:08 +0930 Message-ID: <5194477F.8000607@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 12:12:07 +0930 From: Shane Ambler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Da Rock Subject: Re: Connecting EFTPOS terminals to FreeBSD References: <5192F641.7080707@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: <5192F641.7080707@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 02:42:11 -0000 On 15/05/2013 12:13, Da Rock wrote: > If anyone has some dev material (or links to such) would be handy as > well- I need to get a far better picture of all this. > I don't have any experience to help but ledgersmb.org may be what you are looking for - they have free community support as well as commercial options. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 16 03:17:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06E3FB5 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 03:17:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net [IPv6:2001:44b8:8060:ff02:300:1:2:6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C483B18 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 03:17:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ppp247-71.static.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([203.122.247.71]) by ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 16 May 2013 12:47:24 +0930 Message-ID: <51944FC2.1060204@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 12:47:22 +0930 From: Shane Ambler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Subject: Re: [offtopic] ZFS mirror install /mnt is empty References: <5190058D.2030705@micite.net> <472E17AF-B249-4FD3-8F5E-716F8B7867F5@kraus-haus.org> <8C7A7E3A-355A-405F-840E-A60B4B6CBB1C@kraus-haus.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 03:17:26 -0000 On 15/05/2013 15:55, Trond Endrestøl wrote: > Am I the only one to receive these emails twice, delayed only by a > couple of days since receiving the original emails? > > Judging be the headers below this is either misconfiguration, a MITM > attack or something else. > yes I got a duplicate of the original message. I just noticed that I also some got duplicates of pr responses. In pr/178505 the closed message is listed before the commit which is time stamped just before the close and then there is a duplicate of my response listed after the commit. Now I'm thinking it may be me, maybe my copy of thunderbird didn't save the sent status and resent duplicates? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 16 03:42:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7747C426 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 03:42:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E63CBE for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 03:42:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au (unknown [192.168.0.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0A6355C29; Thu, 16 May 2013 13:58:54 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <5194559F.8050406@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 13:42:23 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130205 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Shane Ambler Subject: Re: Connecting EFTPOS terminals to FreeBSD References: <5192F641.7080707@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <5194477F.8000607@ShaneWare.Biz> In-Reply-To: <5194477F.8000607@ShaneWare.Biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 03:42:32 -0000 On 05/16/13 12:42, Shane Ambler wrote: > On 15/05/2013 12:13, Da Rock wrote: > >> If anyone has some dev material (or links to such) would be handy as >> well- I need to get a far better picture of all this. >> > > I don't have any experience to help but ledgersmb.org may be what you > are looking for - they have free community support as well as > commercial options. > Thanks for the response, but I don't think they have eftpos support (unless I missed something in site search and google search). I'll continue my hunt... :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 16 04:35:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C215B57 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 04:35:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vc0-f172.google.com (mail-vc0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A31E1F for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 04:35:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id hf12so1599851vcb.3 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 21:35:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=RkHjoUm6fHDj9fxCRdvSPURHb5VDLbWdnJ2YMB0EoZw=; b=lgz4kDgF4nyPUv+OqqNMX1+Hx3W/FgH+jUE0AxGLNe9O3LNKiTu6QNOdmKj4xqI+x/ 4b7Yc0ZxP80vnoBgczkIUhHd9W5xDxshSSlv4Y7XZ04mNFeZn/wjIHe9OnbE7m1vRFnw 36m/r03FNi+jQoJOO8RQCLu1DuxTK/trWYw48U2LBGTn+N9PoU2VaN0xF16e8+vKU8VX 6Ioyfu7ssDVD8ymsowGffilD1I7jyB5hdvp4pozlrume2Zk8cY9JoxLfp9cMPObbCwu0 4HXJUY0y40NZhG3A9LLci/RgHLUW95eLUiyUvBEerwsC4HS8AeUxOQFOSJiFknreW3fS S8dw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.253.8 with SMTP id my8mr27133923vcb.23.1368678942375; Wed, 15 May 2013 21:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.66.165 with HTTP; Wed, 15 May 2013 21:35:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 21:35:42 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Eduardo Meyer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 04:35:43 -0000 On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Eduardo Meyer wrote: > Hello, > > I want to run FreeBSD with at least 4 igb devices on an hostile > environment, therefore I am looking for a specific hardware. > > Does anyone is aware of an Atom-based board with 4 or more gigabit ether > connections using Intel's 82575, 82576, 82580, I210/1, or I350 based > gigabit chip? > > I know a couple of boards with Intel 82574L chipset like soekris 6501, but > it won't do for me. > > > -- > =========== > Eduardo Meyer > pessoal: dudu.meyer@gmail.com > profissional: ddm.farmaciap@saude.gov.br > The following pages may give some idea : http://www.gsl.com.tr/en/main-page Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 16 08:44:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3CDA81E; Thu, 16 May 2013 08:44:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from naylor.b.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x232.google.com (mail-wi0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4247984D; Thu, 16 May 2013 08:44:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f178.google.com with SMTP id ey16so2451767wid.11 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 01:44:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:sender:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4may7LfS8n4ROSuFwLNadvUNYIIEcO6/iMh96wEoxd4=; b=DvmJS/IcHIC3sS8EVUhPqTjX7kGlz4FJazdzCuMOFMyk1Q5zdBcWTc19SEzN8HCnHj AUGqbF5MwwWKY83vx/jSqA9UCnxuQgDjKz84BsxHqHvBsm4RRTOvOdN8UbIOyo2Yg4Bq UtxsFp1DJQM8HXLCchmZvdVEqScgBHGXHuZNMH1dWe/dB4SBwZqtQrpsJo8zOh+vTufh 2XmG1cqjHlQsAAk86pP9FNufBt7lU4fCubBxhZpGuXffbpAwFa3YeAVtg3fUJzYIoqhq ASZDFxwvayW9/OF79saht6NxDqM6ZimIl0QMixwTG4kmogEPZetj84N+nVi0nFjrEPIs CKeg== X-Received: by 10.180.21.193 with SMTP id x1mr22173162wie.31.1368693851328; Thu, 16 May 2013 01:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.dg ([197.87.211.32]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d10sm2246989wik.0.2013.05.16.01.44.09 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 16 May 2013 01:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Sender: David Naylor From: David Naylor To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: [PKGNG] i386-wine-1.5.30 Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 10:44:03 +0300 Message-ID: <6811534.RHvrbMNHWc@dragon.dg> User-Agent: KMail/4.9.5 (FreeBSD/9.1-RELEASE; KDE/4.9.5; amd64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart29123257.J2C1fE8HBz"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 08:44:14 -0000 --nextPart29123257.J2C1fE8HBz Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, Pkgng packages are available for i386-wine-1.5.30 [1] at local-distfiles [2]. Currently packages are available for FreeBSD 8 and 9 [3][4]. For previous version of i386-wine replace 'latest' with the version number. To install the port try one of the following options: - Method 1 (Quick and easy) For FreeBSD 8 (as root) # pkg add http://alturl.com/4smzi For FreeBSD 9 (as root) # pkg add http://alturl.com/tn8mv - Method 2 (Repo) This method will only be fully supported with pkgng v1.1. 1) Set `PKG_MULTIREPOS' to `YES' in ${LOCALBASE}/etc/pkg.conf 2) Add repo `wine-devel' with URL [2] to ${LOCALBASE}/etc/pkg.conf 3) Install (as root): # pkg install -r wine-devel i386-wine or upgrade (as root): # pkg upgrade -r wine-devel Regards David P.S. I'll be available on Saturday to address any issues / questions. [1] See the wiki for more details: http://wiki.FreeBSD.org/i386-Wine (WIP) [2] See your local FreeBSD mirror under ports/local-distfiles/dbn/i386-wine- devel/${ABI}/latest where ABI=freebsd:X:x86:64 for X in {8, 9}. [3] Packages are built from FreeBSD 8.3 and 9.1 respectively. [4] Packaging for FreeBSD 10 will be resumed in due course. --nextPart29123257.J2C1fE8HBz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAlGUnFYACgkQUaaFgP9pFrKs3wCfcOM7+W3M6neUvrxs+zcDGusJ YIMAoI0LMCYMYe1dnteNwBkAt6tsKFeq =pgJ0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart29123257.J2C1fE8HBz-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 16 11:36:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39287592 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 11:36:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F133EFBE for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 11:36:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r4GBafOR028778; Thu, 16 May 2013 05:36:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id r4GBaf3M028775; Thu, 16 May 2013 05:36:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 05:36:41 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: RW Subject: Re: Hot Swapping SATA drive? In-Reply-To: <20130514135741.77d69996@gumby.homeunix.com> Message-ID: References: <26657.1368506242@server1.tristatelogic.com> <20882.9169.697806.928200@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20130514135741.77d69996@gumby.homeunix.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 16 May 2013 05:36:41 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 11:36:42 -0000 On Tue, 14 May 2013, RW wrote: > On Tue, 14 May 2013 07:45:21 -0400 > Robert Huff wrote: > >> >> Ronald F. Guilmette writes: >> >>> 3) Assuming that I want to do this stuff, what BIOS options >>> should I be setting or unsetting on the motherboard? >> >> I am unable to check the BIOS settings on that MB (which may >> be ASrock as well), but I don't believe I had to do anything other >> hand make sure eSATA was enabled. > > I don't there there is any difference between SATA and eSATA above the > physical layer. I'm not sure what that setting would do. At a guess, it could connect one of the internal SATA ports to the eSATA connector. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 16 11:53:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 704F17E2 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 11:53:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp-fo.rcn.cmh.synacor.com [69.168.97.80]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A1D5CD for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 11:53:49 +0000 (UTC) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=aPRyWMBm c=1 sm=0 a=nVny9ETX7T5uMhI2oTVyRA==:17 a=-J93btCOc1YA:10 a=AaUjGI9IrlcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=OA2lqS22AAAA:8 a=sIt-5M63AAAA:8 a=jNb10-F4wJcA:10 a=9ziMUlGghRLCMUeu29QA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=nVny9ETX7T5uMhI2oTVyRA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=roberthuff@rcn.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=roberthuff@rcn.com; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 209.6.193.164 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of rcn.com) Received: from [209.6.193.164] ([209.6.193.164:28698] helo=jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTP id 1B/6E-10168-F28C4915; Thu, 16 May 2013 07:51:13 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20884.51246.395040.342679@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 07:51:10 -0400 To: Warren Block Subject: Re: Hot Swapping SATA drive? In-Reply-To: References: <26657.1368506242@server1.tristatelogic.com> <20882.9169.697806.928200@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20130514135741.77d69996@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 22) "Instant Classic" XEmacs Lucid Cc: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 11:53:50 -0000 Warren Block writes: > > I don't there there is any difference between SATA and eSATA above the > > physical layer. I'm not sure what that setting would do. > > At a guess, it could connect one of the internal SATA ports to > the eSATA connector. That's the way mine works; on the other hand, it's specially marked internal connector. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 16 14:30:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB0F9B6 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 14:30:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlopmart@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-x22f.google.com (mail-we0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::22f]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF0CB04 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 14:30:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f175.google.com with SMTP id p59so1496617wes.34 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 07:30:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=FVV435QRjRjkS9nQ+9/wEZGRBKR+SuLpT4nmVCptewE=; b=dIyzTWVPG79IZ4tjLIz1CaArtiDfYbvPSsDqrKEnTdbZXmarIQczx9C1Ytz0Nj4CBt 239rzVSID9l1rPYM9LpTmn4ZqFvi7EnZZq2CHof64uKxIlnVLAg2y4k19iRG+3+IPWDt 8pZwG3xI8131kYwMbugITffDGjDYFppCY19qrdPMfT8VbuQ7whM8Uwz1H8KnB2z9TgKt ewCEQSKX7DV7wmsAmX53j4s7aDxdYv388gg/Fb660SPz08ornobkS1B1MGwk0F0AVaEf qBMMx2OtaRRvfQi0BTa0KGwfAuFl9MsSpmOlYOl3riy0nI/pHH6L+Fk+lzvJo/Rtysw3 Ylpg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.189.136 with SMTP id gi8mr25137639wic.11.1368714605101; Thu, 16 May 2013 07:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.71.34 with HTTP; Thu, 16 May 2013 07:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 14:30:05 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Errors building vortex port From: "C. L. Martinez" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 14:30:26 -0000 Hi all, I am trying to build vortex port using poudriere in a FreeBSD 9.1 amd64 host, but it fails: =============================================================================== ===> Returning to build of vortex-2.9.0.59 ===> vortex-2.9.0.59 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/libnet11-config - not found ===> Verifying install for /usr/local/bin/libnet11-config in /usr/ports/net/libnet ===> Installing existing package /usr/ports/packages/All/libnet11-1.1.6_1,1.txz Installing libnet11-1.1.6_1,1... done ===> Returning to build of vortex-2.9.0.59 ===> vortex-2.9.0.59 depends on shared library: glib-2.0 - found ===> vortex-2.9.0.59 depends on shared library: pcre - found ======================================================================= ===> Cleaning for vortex-2.9.0.59 ================================================= ======================================================================= ================================================= ===> License GPLv2 accepted by the user ===> vortex-2.9.0.59 depends on file: /usr/local/sbin/pkg - found ===> Fetching all distfiles required by vortex-2.9.0.59 for building ======================================================================= ================================================= ===> License GPLv2 accepted by the user ===> vortex-2.9.0.59 depends on file: /usr/local/sbin/pkg - found ===> Fetching all distfiles required by vortex-2.9.0.59 for building => SHA256 Checksum OK for vortex-2.9.0-59.tgz. ======================================================================= ================================================= ===> License GPLv2 accepted by the user ===> vortex-2.9.0.59 depends on file: /usr/local/sbin/pkg - found ===> Fetching all distfiles required by vortex-2.9.0.59 for building ===> Extracting for vortex-2.9.0.59 => SHA256 Checksum OK for vortex-2.9.0-59.tgz. ======================================================================= ================================================= ===> Patching for vortex-2.9.0.59 ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for vortex-2.9.0.59 ======================================================================= ================================================= ===> vortex-2.9.0.59 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/libnids.a - found ===> vortex-2.9.0.59 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/libnet11-config - found ===> vortex-2.9.0.59 depends on shared library: glib-2.0 - found ===> vortex-2.9.0.59 depends on shared library: pcre - found ===> Configuring for vortex-2.9.0.59 ======================================================================= ================================================= ===> Building for vortex-2.9.0.59 cd /wrkdirs/usr/ports/net/vortex/work/vortex-2.9.0 && cc -c vortex.c -I/usr/local/include cd /wrkdirs/usr/ports/net/vortex/work/vortex-2.9.0 && cc -o vortex vortex.o -L/usr/local/lib /usr/local/lib/libnids.a `/usr/local/bin/libnet11-config --libs` -lgthread-2.0 -lpcap /usr/local/lib/libnids.a(killtcp.o): In function `raw_init': killtcp.c:(.text+0xa): undefined reference to `libnet_open_raw_sock' /usr/local/lib/libnids.a(killtcp.o): In function `nids_killtcp_seq': killtcp.c:(.text+0xc7): undefined reference to `libnet_build_ip' killtcp.c:(.text+0x14d): undefined reference to `libnet_write_ip' killtcp.c:(.text+0x18f): undefined reference to `libnet_build_ip' killtcp.c:(.text+0x20f): undefined reference to `libnet_write_ip' *** [do-build] Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/net/vortex. ===> Cleaning for vortex-2.9.0.59 build of /usr/ports/net/vortex ended at Thu May 16 14:28:07 UTC 2013 How can I fix this?? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 16 15:08:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE42180 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 15:08:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF82D89 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 15:08:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.10.1] ([173.88.196.224]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 16 May 2013 08:08:17 -0700 Message-ID: <5194F65F.6080503@a1poweruser.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 11:08:15 -0400 From: Joe User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: check variable content size in sh script Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 May 2013 15:08:17.0792 (UTC) FILETIME=[32276000:01CE5247] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Authenticated-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-EchoSenderHash: [fbsd8]-[a1poweruser*com] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 15:08:22 -0000 Hello Have script that has max size on content in a variable. How to code size less than 51 characters? Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 16 15:28:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E42E5F3 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 15:28:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from ozzie.tundraware.com (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD52E5F for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 15:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (viper.tundraware.com [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by ozzie.tundraware.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r4GFSAGr047073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 10:28:10 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Message-ID: <5194FB0A.9090400@tundraware.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 10:28:10 -0500 From: Tim Daneliuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: check variable content size in sh script References: <5194F65F.6080503@a1poweruser.com> In-Reply-To: <5194F65F.6080503@a1poweruser.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (ozzie.tundraware.com [192.168.0.1]); Thu, 16 May 2013 10:28:10 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: r4GFSAGr047073 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 15:28:34 -0000 On 05/16/2013 10:08 AM, Joe wrote: > Hello > > Have script that has max size on content in a variable. > How to code size less than 51 characters? > FOO="Some string you want to check length of" FOOLEN=`echo $FOO | wc | awk '{print $3}'` You can then use $FOOLEN in a conditional. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 16 15:45:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 263C995C for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 15:45:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email2.allantgroup.com (email2.emsphone.com [199.67.51.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E787AF17 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 15:45:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [172.17.17.101]) by email2.allantgroup.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r4GFjPgg036801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 16 May 2013 10:45:26 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.7/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r4GFjPDT067124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 16 May 2013 10:45:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.7/8.14.6/Submit) id r4GFjPXe067123; Thu, 16 May 2013 10:45:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 10:45:25 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Tim Daneliuk Subject: Re: check variable content size in sh script Message-ID: <20130516154525.GA57497@dan.emsphone.com> References: <5194F65F.6080503@a1poweruser.com> <5194FB0A.9090400@tundraware.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5194FB0A.9090400@tundraware.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 9.1-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.8 at email2.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (email2.allantgroup.com [172.17.19.78]); Thu, 16 May 2013 10:45:26 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on email2.allantgroup.com X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.73 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 15:45:34 -0000 In the last episode (May 16), Tim Daneliuk said: > On 05/16/2013 10:08 AM, Joe wrote: > > Hello > > > > Have script that has max size on content in a variable. > > How to code size less than 51 characters? > > > > FOO="Some string you want to check length of" > FOOLEN=`echo $FOO | wc | awk '{print $3}'` > > You can then use $FOOLEN in a conditional. Much better way: FOO="Some string you want to check length of" FOOLEN=${#FOO} -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 16 15:49:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA92A59 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 15:49:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markham_breitbach@ssimicro.com) Received: from mail.ssimicro.com (mail.ssimicro.com [64.247.129.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876B6F45 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 15:49:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from markhamw.ssimicro.com (markhamw.ssimicro.com [64.247.130.98]) by mail.ssimicro.com (8.14.4/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r4GFTPDV060644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 16 May 2013 09:29:26 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <5194FB55.3080600@ssimicro.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 09:29:25 -0600 From: markham breitbach User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Subject: Re: check variable content size in sh script References: <5194F65F.6080503@a1poweruser.com> In-Reply-To: <5194F65F.6080503@a1poweruser.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 15:49:11 -0000 something like this: #!/bin/sh if [ $# -lt 1 ] ; then echo "put a nickel in the slot, pal!" exit 1; fi NUMCHARS=`echo $1 | wc -m` if [ $NUMCHARS -lt 51 ] ; then echo "You input "$NUMCHARS" characters." exit 0 else echo "whoa sailor I can't take all that!" exit 1 fi On 13-05-16 9:08 AM, Joe wrote: > Hello > > Have script that has max size on content in a variable. > How to code size less than 51 characters? > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 16 16:06:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 928F7E87 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 16:06:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6369FAF for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 16:06:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.16]) by ltcfislmsgpa03.fnfis.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r4GG6p4T010067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 16 May 2013 11:06:51 -0500 Received: from LTCFISWMSGMB26.FNFIS.com ([10.132.99.18]) by LTCFISWMSGHT05.FNFIS.com ([10.132.206.16]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Thu, 16 May 2013 11:06:50 -0500 From: "Teske, Devin" To: Tim Daneliuk Subject: Re: check variable content size in sh script Thread-Topic: check variable content size in sh script Thread-Index: AQHOUkc8OBFwBehJxk+zMS+kIvSMRZkIQzQAgAAKzgA= Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 16:06:50 +0000 Message-ID: <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201F4D41F@ltcfiswmsgmb26> References: <5194F65F.6080503@a1poweruser.com> <5194FB0A.9090400@tundraware.com> In-Reply-To: <5194FB0A.9090400@tundraware.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.132.253.126] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <9F0C3520CA0AD943A76AC6C994D3318E@fisglobal.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626, 1.0.431, 0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-16_04:2013-05-16,2013-05-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: "" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Devin Teske List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 16:06:52 -0000 On May 16, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 05/16/2013 10:08 AM, Joe wrote: >> Hello >>=20 >> Have script that has max size on content in a variable. >> How to code size less than 51 characters? >>=20 >=20 > FOO=3D"Some string you want to check length of" > FOOLEN=3D`echo $FOO | wc | awk '{print $3}'` >=20 Uh, without forking to 2 separate programs=85 FOOLEN=3D${#FOO} > You can then use $FOOLEN in a conditional. >=20 However, if the OP wanted to actually truncate $FOO to 51 characters: NEWFOO=3D$( echo "$FOO" | awk -v max=3D51 '{print substr($0,0,max)}' ) However, if you want to handle the case of $FOO containing newlines (and yo= u want the newline to count toward the max), then this instead would do the= trick: NEWFOO=3D$( echo "$FOO" | awk -v max=3D51 ' { len =3D length($0) max -=3D len print substr($0,0,(max > 0 ? len : max + len)) if ( max < 0 ) exit max-- }' ) $NEWFOO, even if multi-line, will be limited to 51-bytes (adjust max=3D51 a= ccordingly for other desired-lengths). Newlines are preserved. Last, but not least, if you want to be able to handle multi-line values but= only want to return the first line up-to N bytes (using 51 as the OP used): NEWFOO=3D$( echo "$FOO" | awk -v max=3D51 '{ print substr($0,0,max); exit }= ' ) If $FOO had multiple lines, $NEWFOO will have only the first line (and it w= ill be truncated to 51 bytes or less). --=20 Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message an= d all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any ma= nner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware= that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and revie= w by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 16 16:14:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C1E10A for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 16:14:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from ozzie.tundraware.com (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86FD6115 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 16:14:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (viper.tundraware.com [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by ozzie.tundraware.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r4GGE11k001962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 11:14:01 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Message-ID: <519505C9.40109@tundraware.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 11:14:01 -0500 From: Tim Daneliuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: check variable content size in sh script References: <5194F65F.6080503@a1poweruser.com> <5194FB0A.9090400@tundraware.com> <20130516154525.GA57497@dan.emsphone.com> In-Reply-To: <20130516154525.GA57497@dan.emsphone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (ozzie.tundraware.com [192.168.0.1]); Thu, 16 May 2013 11:14:01 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: r4GGE11k001962 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 16:14:21 -0000 On 05/16/2013 10:45 AM, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (May 16), Tim Daneliuk said: >> On 05/16/2013 10:08 AM, Joe wrote: >>> Hello >>> >>> Have script that has max size on content in a variable. >>> How to code size less than 51 characters? >>> >> >> FOO="Some string you want to check length of" >> FOOLEN=`echo $FOO | wc | awk '{print $3}'` >> >> You can then use $FOOLEN in a conditional. > > Much better way: > > FOO="Some string you want to check length of" > FOOLEN=${#FOO} > D'Oh, you're right ... what was I thinking ... -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 16 16:27:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8624468; Thu, 16 May 2013 16:27:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86331D5; Thu, 16 May 2013 16:27:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.16]) by ltcfislmsgpa05.fnfis.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r4GGRsJa020153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 16 May 2013 11:27:54 -0500 Received: from LTCFISWMSGMB26.FNFIS.com ([10.132.99.18]) by LTCFISWMSGHT05.FNFIS.com ([10.132.206.16]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Thu, 16 May 2013 11:27:54 -0500 From: "Teske, Devin" To: Devin Teske Subject: Re: check variable content size in sh script Thread-Topic: check variable content size in sh script Thread-Index: AQHOUkc8OBFwBehJxk+zMS+kIvSMRZkIQzQAgAAKzgCAAAXigA== Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 16:27:53 +0000 Message-ID: <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201F4D4C9@ltcfiswmsgmb26> References: <5194F65F.6080503@a1poweruser.com> <5194FB0A.9090400@tundraware.com> <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201F4D41F@ltcfiswmsgmb26> In-Reply-To: <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201F4D41F@ltcfiswmsgmb26> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.132.253.126] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626, 1.0.431, 0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-16_04:2013-05-16,2013-05-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: Tim Daneliuk , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Devin Teske List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 16:27:56 -0000 On May 16, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Teske, Devin wrote: >=20 > On May 16, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: >=20 >> On 05/16/2013 10:08 AM, Joe wrote: >>> Hello >>>=20 >>> Have script that has max size on content in a variable. >>> How to code size less than 51 characters? >>>=20 >>=20 >> FOO=3D"Some string you want to check length of" >> FOOLEN=3D`echo $FOO | wc | awk '{print $3}'` >>=20 >=20 > Uh, without forking to 2 separate programs=85 >=20 > FOOLEN=3D${#FOO} >=20 >=20 >> You can then use $FOOLEN in a conditional. >>=20 >=20 >=20 > However, if the OP wanted to actually truncate $FOO to 51 characters: >=20 >=20 > NEWFOO=3D$( echo "$FOO" | awk -v max=3D51 '{print substr($0,0,max)}' ) >=20 >=20 > However, if you want to handle the case of $FOO containing newlines (and = you want the newline to count toward the max), then this instead would do t= he trick: >=20 >=20 > NEWFOO=3D$( echo "$FOO" | awk -v max=3D51 ' > { > len =3D length($0) > max -=3D len > print substr($0,0,(max > 0 ? len : max + len)) > if ( max < 0 ) exit > max-- > }' ) >=20 For fun, I decided to expand on the solution I provided immediately above= =85 turning it into a function that you might be a little more familiar wit= h: snprintf() { local __var_to_set=3D"$1" __size=3D"$2" shift 2 # var_to_set/size eval "$__var_to_set"=3D\$\( printf \"\$@\" \| awk -v max=3D\"\$__si= ze\" \'' { len =3D length($0) max -=3D len print substr($0,0,(max > 0 ? len : max + len)) if ( max < 0 ) exit max-- }'\' \) } Example usage: FOO=3D$( printf "abc\n123\n" ) snprintf NEWFOO 6 "%s" "$FOO" echo "NEWFOO=3D[$NEWFOO] len=3D[${#NEWFOO}]" Produces: NEWFOO=3D[abc 12] len=3D[6] Hopefully this should help some folks. --=20 Devin >=20 > $NEWFOO, even if multi-line, will be limited to 51-bytes (adjust max=3D51= accordingly for other desired-lengths). Newlines are preserved. >=20 > Last, but not least, if you want to be able to handle multi-line values b= ut only want to return the first line up-to N bytes (using 51 as the OP use= d): >=20 >=20 > NEWFOO=3D$( echo "$FOO" | awk -v max=3D51 '{ print substr($0,0,max); exit= }' ) >=20 >=20 > If $FOO had multiple lines, $NEWFOO will have only the first line (and it= will be truncated to 51 bytes or less). > --=20 > Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message an= d all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any ma= nner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware= that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and revie= w by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 16 16:48:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E6C856; Thu, 16 May 2013 16:48:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6F52D7; Thu, 16 May 2013 16:48:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.16]) by ltcfislmsgpa03.fnfis.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r4GGmQlo012311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 16 May 2013 11:48:26 -0500 Received: from LTCFISWMSGMB26.FNFIS.com ([10.132.99.18]) by LTCFISWMSGHT05.FNFIS.com ([10.132.206.16]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Thu, 16 May 2013 11:48:25 -0500 From: "Teske, Devin" To: Devin Teske Subject: Re: check variable content size in sh script Thread-Topic: check variable content size in sh script Thread-Index: AQHOUkc8OBFwBehJxk+zMS+kIvSMRZkIQzQAgAAKzgCAAAXigIAABbyA Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 16:48:26 +0000 Message-ID: <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201F4D5A7@ltcfiswmsgmb26> References: <5194F65F.6080503@a1poweruser.com> <5194FB0A.9090400@tundraware.com> <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201F4D41F@ltcfiswmsgmb26> <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201F4D4C9@ltcfiswmsgmb26> In-Reply-To: <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201F4D4C9@ltcfiswmsgmb26> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.132.253.126] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626, 1.0.431, 0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-16_04:2013-05-16,2013-05-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Tim Daneliuk , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Devin Teske List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 16:48:28 -0000 On May 16, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Teske, Devin wrote: On May 16, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Teske, Devin wrote: On May 16, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: On 05/16/2013 10:08 AM, Joe wrote: Hello Have script that has max size on content in a variable. How to code size less than 51 characters? FOO=3D"Some string you want to check length of" FOOLEN=3D`echo $FOO | wc | awk '{print $3}'` Uh, without forking to 2 separate programs=85 FOOLEN=3D${#FOO} You can then use $FOOLEN in a conditional. However, if the OP wanted to actually truncate $FOO to 51 characters: NEWFOO=3D$( echo "$FOO" | awk -v max=3D51 '{print substr($0,0,max)}' ) However, if you want to handle the case of $FOO containing newlines (and yo= u want the newline to count toward the max), then this instead would do the= trick: NEWFOO=3D$( echo "$FOO" | awk -v max=3D51 ' { len =3D length($0) max -=3D len print substr($0,0,(max > 0 ? len : max + len)) if ( max < 0 ) exit max-- }' ) For fun, I decided to expand on the solution I provided immediately above= =85 turning it into a function that you might be a little more familiar wit= h: snprintf() { local __var_to_set=3D"$1" __size=3D"$2" shift 2 # var_to_set/size eval "$__var_to_set"=3D\$\( printf \"\$@\" \| awk -v max=3D\"\$__siz= e\" \'' { len =3D length($0) max -=3D len print substr($0,0,(max > 0 ? len : max + len)) if ( max < 0 ) exit max-- }'\' \) } Example usage: FOO=3D$( printf "abc\n123\n" ) snprintf NEWFOO 6 "%s" "$FOO" echo "NEWFOO=3D[$NEWFOO] len=3D[${#NEWFOO}]" Produces: NEWFOO=3D[abc 12] len=3D[6] Hopefully this should help some folks. I figured I'd help as many folks as I can=85 http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=3Drevision&revision=3D250701 Added it to my string processing library. Lots of other useful functions in= there. -- Cheers, Devin $NEWFOO, even if multi-line, will be limited to 51-bytes (adjust max=3D51 a= ccordingly for other desired-lengths). Newlines are preserved. Last, but not least, if you want to be able to handle multi-line values but= only want to return the first line up-to N bytes (using 51 as the OP used): NEWFOO=3D$( echo "$FOO" | awk -v max=3D51 '{ print substr($0,0,max); exit }= ' ) If $FOO had multiple lines, $NEWFOO will have only the first line (and it w= ill be truncated to 51 bytes or less). -- Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message an= d all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any ma= nner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware= that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and revie= w by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 16 22:05:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894B4538 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 22:05:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F184D6B for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 22:05:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD31E69F3; Thu, 16 May 2013 23:05:35 +0100 (BST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cran.org.uk; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mail; bh=ovyt0gDkTXhI txMaFqIBAsSxuuY=; b=oivBAeWmrbr2cT6tqkHD55LiMRONgDgSD5cXDKaDZU9Z 43fEr8ISCFYjEFww3RUHfOcpKtjfBMfkqXAiZjQFWs7Frm0QLkdjUK4RgYF+H9IB 0ZFfFl9lTdGfBFYh6I/b2KTmKA+LVMvQPztH7Uksp6ADyoKBC14o7kkQ4vrS3Q4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cran.org.uk; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=mail; b=FKWsph 663GQINMMzpcWJkf+Nfte9pOZBpH9r0UDR3p7sztjEY+tSxkEq+iwxz1AyXbmLTR 8vXMzbPjjq6uiy2aYk2YHmKb/gR23FvLJsZNLiPZWeq6Owug8Be7G5vwvihMEOAu yMY1H23frUYQTeiJrJdxD9ChvOiJ0uBgu71DE= Received: from [192.168.2.61] (unknown [93.89.81.205]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C346CE69EF; Thu, 16 May 2013 23:05:35 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <5195582D.10404@cran.org.uk> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 23:05:33 +0100 From: Bruce Cran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Julian H. Stacey" Subject: Re: List Spam Filtering References: <201305110134.r4B1Yl8q089784@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: <201305110134.r4B1Yl8q089784@fire.js.berklix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Erich Dollansky , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 22:05:38 -0000 On 11/05/2013 02:34, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Good question. I don't know why. I wish all were, it would keep spam out. There have been some discussions about this in the past. freebsd-questions doesn't require subscribing to avoid people who may be unfamiliar with mailing lists being put off posting to it. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 16 23:25:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F074B975 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 23:25:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from flat.berklix.org (flat.berklix.org [83.236.223.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8565C5E3 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 23:25:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DCBDCBE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.203.220.190]) (authenticated bits=128) by flat.berklix.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r4GNOjwL010485; Fri, 17 May 2013 01:24:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r4GNOZO7038258; Fri, 17 May 2013 01:24:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r4GNOKug006156; Fri, 17 May 2013 01:24:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201305162324.r4GNOKug006156@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Bruce Cran Subject: Re: List Spam Filtering From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Thu, 16 May 2013 23:05:33 BST." <5195582D.10404@cran.org.uk> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 01:24:20 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: Erich Dollansky , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 23:25:05 -0000 Bruce Cran wrote: > On 11/05/2013 02:34, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > Good question. I don't know why. I wish all were, it would keep spam out. > > There have been some discussions about this in the past. > freebsd-questions doesn't require subscribing to avoid people who may be > unfamiliar with mailing lists being put off posting to it. That burdens FreeBSD lists with clueless, lazy non subscribers, & spammers. Web forums exist for those too lame to subscribe & forums can have Captcha. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". Send plain text. No quoted-printable, HTML, base64, multipart/alternative. 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Stacey" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 01:21:39 -0000 Hi, On Thu, 16 May 2013 23:05:33 +0100 Bruce Cran wrote: > On 11/05/2013 02:34, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > Good question. I don't know why. I wish all were, it would keep > > spam out. > > There have been some discussions about this in the past. > freebsd-questions doesn't require subscribing to avoid people who may > be unfamiliar with mailing lists being put off posting to it. > we running in a circle here. I noticed that on other FreeBSD lists, a moderator enables later mails which are sent from an unregistered address. Why can't this be done here? Get a group of volunteers in different time zones to handle this and off we go. Of course, I could be one of them in the Eastern World. 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id w12sm16502549yhj.19.2013.05.17.03.42.35 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 17 May 2013 03:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3bBmKk2cFRz2CG5l for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 06:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 06:42:33 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: List Spam Filtering Message-ID: <20130517064233.7d34e4cf@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <5195582D.10404@cran.org.uk> References: <201305110134.r4B1Yl8q089784@fire.js.berklix.net> <5195582D.10404@cran.org.uk> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.1 (GTK+ 2.24.17; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnCJpcr9mBtjOJWlKxHMw7Ybjqe9F7qQ6Sz/P/khHNjnnOrtmEn0VozQUlrhp649XN8rshP X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 10:42:43 -0000 On Thu, 16 May 2013 23:05:33 +0100 Bruce Cran articulated: > There have been some discussions about this in the past. > freebsd-questions doesn't require subscribing to avoid people who may > be unfamiliar with mailing lists being put off posting to it. Seriously? If some potential poster were so brain dead that he/she could not comprehend how to subscribe to the mailing list then I would seriously doubt that they would possess the necessary skills to install and run FreeBSD to begin with. Lets be honest here. All that the present system does is act as an enabler for Spam merchants and Trolls. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 17 10:56:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D744A223 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 10:56:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsk@gsp.org) Received: from taos.firemountain.net (taos.firemountain.net [207.114.3.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8768E31B for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 10:55:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gsp.org (localhost.firemountain.net [127.0.0.1]) by taos.firemountain.net (8.14.6/8.14.6) with SMTP id r4HAtpfP026338 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 06:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 06:55:51 -0400 From: Rich Kulawiec To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: List Spam Filtering Message-ID: <20130517105551.GA23463@gsp.org> References: <1368039547.0568389241738319@mf7.sendgrid.net> <201305090026.r490QQeA095142@fire.js.berklix.net> <20130512120452.GA27244@gsp.org> <5192F06A.5060308@herveybayaustralia.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5192F06A.5060308@herveybayaustralia.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 10:56:00 -0000 On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:18:18PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > I'm a big fan of _not_ having to subscribe to a list to get a quick > hand with a one off problem (obviously not this one!)- otherwise too > many lists get subscribed to, oodles of messages come in which you > can't do anything about and so forth (so its not simply just a > matter of subscribe, unsubscribe as noted). I concur with you, which is why point #2 in my message (which I've elided for brevity here) comes into play: if the list-owners set the "subscribers only" flag in Mailman, then messages from nonsubscribers will be held for their attention. I don't think it's unreasonable or particularly burdensome to request that they check that queue once a day or so, and decide how to dispose of those messages. I should also expand on that to mention that Mailman offers a number of choices on how that disposition is handled: list-owners can choose, for example, to add the address in question to a list of non-subscribers permitted to post, so that subsequent traffic from the same person won't be held up and require attention. I've found this quite useful for cases where interested individuals send traffic sporadically. I've also found it quite useful to note the email addresses of obvious spammers and block them at the MTA, because they'll often step through *all* the mailing lists sequentially and it becomes tedious to discard the same spam over and over. Blocking at the MTA alleviates this problem. Another way to put it is that while using this method involves a small initial effort, it has the significant advantage of not requiring any action on the part of legitimate message senders, and the effort required by list-owners diminishes over time. It also doesn't require any coding effort or external plumbing. > Aside from all that, the last suggestion (4) should be possible > using some simple filtering without the need to change the > subscription parameters. It could be possible to even do it > automatically saving further work on a list-owner. I urge caution on that: oh, it's a fine idea, but introducing automation into that process has its issues/risks. In practice, I've found (having run many mailing lists over many years) that the manual workload is so small that it's not worth automating. Since I've now opened my big mouth on this topic twice: if the list-owners are paying attention and wish assistance with this, I'm certainly willing to help out. ---rsk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 17 11:54:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A1CC16 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 11:54:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6ED7F4 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 11:54:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 794BEE69F8; Fri, 17 May 2013 12:54:31 +0100 (BST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cran.org.uk; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mail; bh=OQdGblsJmhzN sgY/brcdGIvDk9w=; b=e1l2VcE7NSaThldjHW9Dz294oXUjTxtFtYTB6rbXEDV4 oVgpLGU9tC0kOju7PVyNdQ1gsJYOj8/WLAegXmruUAXuJ6NP5llMW6X9oWZeaWaf fk2wkLtHx9uKEKBUzxOMSBpDgggpVuxuLWzeOtH/VeLqYCQtCD70peWI9V3BuOU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cran.org.uk; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=mail; b=ClKZPK lT2D4QYgsy975ShFQCwuPule4ZoI0LjMbsKSUW6IiKyjCr5NkH3rWrpOdbzbgXp0 x/HYfUdO7kN+e5o+4KqMQiIo2CMz1N0kPSu4CaYZNYr53H+zc3oZxvxEdGwQ7YjE DQJA1BxKUvmkrBrBy8xBeJYBCqMCPD0sfSE34= Received: from [192.168.2.61] (unknown [93.89.81.205]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 59F97E698F; Fri, 17 May 2013 12:54:31 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <51961A75.6060605@cran.org.uk> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 12:54:29 +0100 From: Bruce Cran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: List Spam Filtering References: <201305110134.r4B1Yl8q089784@fire.js.berklix.net> <5195582D.10404@cran.org.uk> <20130517064233.7d34e4cf@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20130517064233.7d34e4cf@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jerry X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 11:54:32 -0000 On 17/05/2013 11:42, Jerry wrote: > Seriously? If some potential poster were so brain dead that he/she > could not comprehend how to subscribe to the mailing list then I would > seriously doubt that they would possess the necessary skills to > install and run FreeBSD to begin with. Lets be honest here. All that > the present system does is act as an enabler for Spam merchants and > Trolls. Yes, seriously. Have you seen the number of people who post messages "PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS MAILING LIST!!", apparently not understanding how to manage their subscription? -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 17 12:19:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84004280 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 12:19:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ee0-f52.google.com (mail-ee0-f52.google.com [74.125.83.52]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ABBF958 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 12:19:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ee0-f52.google.com with SMTP id c13so2436791eek.11 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 05:19:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=raiiGWc1n5WW3x6XkX4w9BXdp1TvpZ3Z7ZBEnQExDcE=; b=LWOukV4U+FAJO0nYkOanlPDDK1lAFPoF64zRb/qv5NGBlyeHslg0Si9/AOOop3WDyq wI/JD7AOgvF1ot2P3c6Vzr1FTB4ooMtZpKNZvJKvdeNDobQ8NkQJQcFc0PL13NC9rjG0 0u/iB8WkXS70kd7odLxpQhv2Lpj9wfEJ6KPy03kFrtWZO70R5+aYPMjDxWSTqcchUWNx 6NPZA6s9tnQOUARpCx3kLeaR0mxkcsklI2Cgw3af3Mc8fE1rridVFmFNABTB5/dKrIzF TZ3CULNL2XIwlAk2ZQ9OG2VPDYRyQpQAr5RrMMKN9cjvJYpQtnCSXzJlvbIeS8sheZRk zLiQ== X-Received: by 10.14.221.67 with SMTP id q43mr82916582eep.1.1368793175850; Fri, 17 May 2013 05:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id a5sm1097882ees.6.2013.05.17.05.19.34 for (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 17 May 2013 05:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 13:19:32 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: List Spam Filtering Message-ID: <20130517131932.03450167@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <51961A75.6060605@cran.org.uk> References: <201305110134.r4B1Yl8q089784@fire.js.berklix.net> <5195582D.10404@cran.org.uk> <20130517064233.7d34e4cf@scorpio> <51961A75.6060605@cran.org.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.17; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 12:19:37 -0000 On Fri, 17 May 2013 12:54:29 +0100 Bruce Cran wrote: > On 17/05/2013 11:42, Jerry wrote: > > Seriously? If some potential poster were so brain dead that he/she > > could not comprehend how to subscribe to the mailing list then I > > would seriously doubt that they would possess the necessary skills > > to install and run FreeBSD to begin with. Lets be honest here. All > > that the present system does is act as an enabler for Spam > > merchants and Trolls. > > Yes, seriously. Have you seen the number of people who post messages > "PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS MAILING LIST!!", apparently not > understanding how to manage their subscription? There's also the likelyhood that reluctant subscribers are less likely to take care about avoiding various types of backscatter. It seems to me that the level of spam in list is pretty much negligible. 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If some potential poster were so brain dead that > > > he/she could not comprehend how to subscribe to the mailing list > > > then I would seriously doubt that they would possess the > > > necessary skills to install and run FreeBSD to begin with. Lets > > > be honest here. All that the present system does is act as an > > > enabler for Spam merchants and Trolls. > > > > Yes, seriously. Have you seen the number of people who post > > messages "PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS MAILING LIST!!", apparently > > not understanding how to manage their subscription? > > There's also the likelyhood that reluctant subscribers are less likely > to take care about avoiding various types of backscatter. Well, unless the reluctant subscriber is running an incorrectly configured MTA, I don't see a problem with "backscatter". Now, if they do have a maladjusted MTA, they have more problems then just subscribing to a list. > It seems to me that the level of spam in list is pretty much > negligible. That would be a subjective statement. It is like asking how many times you have to slap your wife before you are considered a wife beater. Interestingly enough, the FBI won't classify you as a serial killer until you have killed a minimum of three people. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. 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Have you seen the number of people who post > > > messages "PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS MAILING LIST!!", apparently > > > not understanding how to manage their subscription? > > > > There's also the likelyhood that reluctant subscribers are less > > likely to take care about avoiding various types of backscatter. > > Well, unless the reluctant subscriber is running an incorrectly > configured MTA, I don't see a problem with "backscatter". Now, if they > do have a maladjusted MTA, they have more problems then just > subscribing to a list. 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Have you seen the number of people who post > > > > messages "PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS MAILING LIST!!", apparently > > > > not understanding how to manage their subscription? > > > > > > There's also the likelyhood that reluctant subscribers are less > > > likely to take care about avoiding various types of backscatter. > > > > Well, unless the reluctant subscriber is running an incorrectly > > configured MTA, I don't see a problem with "backscatter". Now, if > > they do have a maladjusted MTA, they have more problems then just > > subscribing to a list. > > Out of Office replies, sieve rejects, anti-spam challenges etc Yes, an incorrectly configured MTA or one of its milters. There are ways to deal with these assholes. Allowing a blanket "open-door" policy is like setting file permissions on everything to 0777 just because you are to lazy to find a correct solution to a problem. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 17 17:53:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79ED29D1 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 17:53:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Dave.Robison@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B845DCB for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 17:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.31]) by ltcfislmsgpa03.fnfis.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r4HHrc3f014290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 12:53:38 -0500 Received: from lefty.vicor.com (10.242.182.122) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.31) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Fri, 17 May 2013 12:53:38 -0500 Message-ID: <51966EA3.3040109@fisglobal.com> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 10:53:39 -0700 From: "Robison, Dave" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130407 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Subject: Re: List Spam Filtering References: <201305110134.r4B1Yl8q089784@fire.js.berklix.net> <5195582D.10404@cran.org.uk> <20130517064233.7d34e4cf@scorpio> <51961A75.6060605@cran.org.uk> <20130517131932.03450167@gumby.homeunix.com> <20130517084529.57f67259@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20130517084529.57f67259@scorpio> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [10.242.182.122] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626, 1.0.431, 0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-17_07:2013-05-17,2013-05-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: david.robison@fisglobal.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 17:53:45 -0000 On 05/17/2013 05:45, Jerry wrote: > On Fri, 17 May 2013 13:19:32 +0100 > >> It seems to me that the level of spam in list is pretty much >> negligible. > > That would be a subjective statement. It is like asking how many times > you have to slap your wife before you are considered a wife beater. > Interestingly enough, the FBI won't classify you as a serial killer > until you have killed a minimum of three people. > This has gotten to the point of the ridiculous now. Comparing a few spam to wife beating and serial killers? That's just patently offensive, quite frankly. All this bike shedding and crosstalk has produced far more pointless email than all the spam I've gotten from this list in the last month. Capitalism: we brought you the pop-up ad. -- Dave Robison Sales Solution Architect II FIS Banking Solutions 510/621-2089 (w) 530/518-5194 (c) 510/621-2020 (f) daver@vicor.com david.robison@fisglobal.com _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 17 19:03:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA1B23B for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 19:03:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E59098 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 19:03:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [77.238.189.239] by nm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2013 19:03:51 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.93] by tm20.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2013 19:03:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp130.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2013 19:03:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1368817431; bh=izJFRTPCqjU/TC+Zz0TCBCdvUwAwXoV6wq4uQWljIGM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=akuTlePo39fFEC5RmLwt9NEwaE5VuRRG93jZvgE+SLHdy0VTfbF+ZQTA6qwyCW1AnScRmIR9anaM9YwQR6IjT46XKni6R9v7YOMfpzDtVWPDoL3IfFGnooBla5DX1ItZanVkd1HRk6Sqq9rY/3EZ9CyMiIf9TItz4JEbXOgLwKM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 396872.35363.bm@smtp130.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: i5NVhggVM1lwrjgIqUIDwbhJipeVPBgB7lk_JU.hawrk7VU nBsOY0mLSNXnNZr4n1N5RRMms1u5WHZ5rFi3BKgJcwpU7p31ObE_mOlJwaqP SCHoqL9DCtuRNn6pLAL9ombHG4TIBoX6WGu2I7netsUrDTC8VKF2Oj8d5spq nsOm1rVIZsMjgfT1wuPXKu0D585KDCOhgACTIrNCbxsCDRJ_DfY87bBADYuE zWM0LxF6o57LDeEPTdGAxqA1jlBtIzN504kpEDQyT_tB5QMmcvsbVkRHbHX6 LQwhvfY4xAQXrHMq7p3LZz0bvJ7obw4Sg8P3udY54tmGkZwVt_CqueqJSvXI irAnTY9ehLyf0nFEnFMKqoDw9NWMCUAOOgpz6R8CC7..UEqewP0Mm6Eo3mKO MsLmF.DymStzO4ShhtSkbKF9OldaeTuAat9BAlribF_0YKWf7PQjjokEi X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- X-Rocket-Received: from [85.182.20.169] (ralf.mardorf@85.182.20.169 with ) by smtp130.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2013 19:03:51 +0000 UTC Message-ID: <1368817430.1162.79.camel@archlinux> Subject: Re: List Spam Filtering From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 21:03:50 +0200 In-Reply-To: <51966EA3.3040109@fisglobal.com> References: <201305110134.r4B1Yl8q089784@fire.js.berklix.net> <5195582D.10404@cran.org.uk> <20130517064233.7d34e4cf@scorpio> <51961A75.6060605@cran.org.uk> <20130517131932.03450167@gumby.homeunix.com> <20130517084529.57f67259@scorpio> <51966EA3.3040109@fisglobal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.8.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 19:03:53 -0000 On Fri, 2013-05-17 at 10:53 -0700, Robison, Dave wrote: > All this bike shedding and crosstalk has produced far more pointless > email than all the spam I've gotten from this list in the last month. I don't know if those mails where pointless, but there were much mails and I only read two or three mails including this, IOW there was at least much traffic caused by this discussion, that has less to do with questions about FreeBSD, IMO this is ok, I like OT talk myself, even if I wasn't interested in this discussion. I'm subscribed to trillions of mailing lists, perhaps a few less than trillions and several open mailing lists, including this one. I don't get much spam and it's easy to filter the few junk mails I receive. The few spam I get can't be eliminated by any method. The internet is the Wilde West, it makes me wonder that I get that less spam. It's said, that for all long discussions in the Internet, soon or later somebody will mention the Nazis and if somebody mentions the Nazis, an Internet discussion has reached it's end. The Nazis where some kind of serial killers, so perhaps this is the reason to stop this discussion. I hope there wasn't a flame war, I really didn't read this thread. Please stay peacefully folks ;). We can't get rid of all junk mail and seriously, we can't get rid of all evil on this planet. Some people really do very bad crimes, so we shouldn't waste much time in thinking about spam. Polemical comparison does hurt some people, but I guess it should be ok, if somebody makes an inappropriate comparison. We should be allowed to write without keeping political correctness 24/7 in mind. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 17 22:24:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81C7AED for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 22:24:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd@todoo.biz) Received: from newmail.rmm.fr (newmail.rmm.fr [213.251.152.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0642147 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 22:24:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from newmail.rmm.fr (newmail.rmm.fr [213.251.152.9]) by newmail.rmm.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D120162BA2 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 00:24:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.8.0 (20120630) at rmm.fr Received: from newmail.rmm.fr ([213.251.152.9]) by newmail.rmm.fr (newmail.rmm.fr [213.251.152.9]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BL5iLxDFngnI for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 00:24:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from newmail.rmm.fr (newmail.rmm.fr [87.98.206.99]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: hidden) by newmail.rmm.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D365B162B95 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 00:24:14 +0200 (CEST) From: "bsd@todoo.biz" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: ZFS install on a partition Message-Id: Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 00:24:13 +0200 To: Liste FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 22:24:22 -0000 Hi,=20 I have a question regarding ZFS install on a system setup using an Intel = Modular.=20 This system runs various flavor of FreeBSD and Linux using a shared pool = (LUNs).=20 These LUNs have been configured in RAID 6 using the internal controller = (LSI logic).=20 So from the OS point of view there is just a volume available.=20 I know I should install a system using HBA and JBOD configuration - but = unfortunately this is not an option for this server.=20 What would you advise ?=20 1. 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[98.212.197.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qn10sm662890igc.6.2013.05.17.16.15.25 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 17 May 2013 16:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5196B9FA.3090107@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 18:15:06 -0500 From: Joshua Isom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS install on a partition References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 23:15:27 -0000 Your hardware raid should be faster than ZFS raid. Don't use zfs raid because there will be no benefit. You'll get the performance of software raid using CPU time, along with lost space for already backed up data. ZFS should work fine. A lot of the tuning on the wiki page isn't needed anymore, so it's not too bad. The biggest thing to be careful with is upgrading your zpool, every so often your boot blocks may need updated and if you forget, you can't boot. You won't upgrade your pool often of course. Reliability shouldn't be an issue, it's FreeBSD. ZFS will make it easier to play around with jails, have fun and create a 1000 node beowulf on one system. On 5/17/2013 5:24 PM, bsd@todoo.biz wrote: > Hi, > > I have a question regarding ZFS install on a system setup using an Intel Modular. > > This system runs various flavor of FreeBSD and Linux using a shared pool (LUNs). > These LUNs have been configured in RAID 6 using the internal controller (LSI logic). > > So from the OS point of view there is just a volume available. > > > I know I should install a system using HBA and JBOD configuration - but unfortunately this is not an option for this server. > > What would you advise ? > > 1. Can I use an existing partition and setup ZFS on this partition using a standard Zpool (no RAID). > > 2. Should I use any other solution in order to setup this (like full ZFS install on disk using the entire pool with ZFS). > > 3. Should I avoid using ZFS since my system is not well tuned and It would be asking for trouble to use ZFS in these conditions. > > > P.S. Stability is a must for this system - so I won't die if you answer "3" and tell me to keep on using UFS. > > > Thanks. > > > ________________________________________________ > «?»¥«?»§«?»¥«?»§«?»¥«?»§«?»¥«?»§«?»¥«?»§«?»¥«?»§ > ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ > BSD - BSD - BSD - BSD - BSD - BSD - BSD - BSD - > ________________________________________________ > «?»¥«?»§«?»¥«?»§«?»¥«?»§«?»¥«?»§«?»¥«?»§«?»¥«?»§ > ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ > PGP ID --> 0x1BA3C2FD > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 17 23:49:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE5311B; Fri, 17 May 2013 23:49:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cliffyapp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oa0-f48.google.com (mail-oa0-f48.google.com [209.85.219.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4208E3E5; Fri, 17 May 2013 23:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id i4so5674717oah.7 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 16:49:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=UkL8rVLkzpW4MZU/V6UC/FDWD67At0+g+y71LhT1EAI=; b=IfJnoQ+d+DDvdQBhbPcQuA+eOluHLHuKPYLAh7djpbxF/QgGF+tuiIRLCd9817lj7T G2g1ERyksZkmuQEg0z2hddjVu0IB1UcSZaTDzL1fAzEF20vsCBwzq+b3h5x/2/MWWTI6 EklWkdpMJtBoJtN5O1AO3n7JUbbqcjugpmdz8uCjYsEHl/xEZCSV9iIwQsEGL8GdpQGe 1tSOa8LswXky5qRvCooqzyRYuMZG8tdo4KH7V03+6NqbqdUvikmLQivotXd0R9fIhI4H keW5feHP+7FLWfLjeN+gcXWRbWIgd9tKdmDK98yKCzXTe8RWPMxz6xR1WqTPgXH/K/1I umgQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.19.168 with SMTP id g8mr22727360obe.21.1368834573372; Fri, 17 May 2013 16:49:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.157.82 with HTTP; Fri, 17 May 2013 16:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 19:49:32 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: License on the original BSD diff From: Clifford Yapp To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: des@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 23:49:34 -0000 Looking at the original code for diff: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/csrg/usr.bin/diff/ The licensing that applies to it seems to be simply that of the standard BSD license: http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/license.html Is that correct? If so, what's the relationship between that code and the diff code currently in openbsd: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.bin/diff/ The original commit in the openbsd tree by deraadt seems to indicate that the Caldera license is what made the code usable, but if the diffreg.c file was in the original BSD 4.4 lite release (diffing the original openBSD diffreg.c upload with the copy in csrg shows only the BSD header and one other line as differences) wouldn't the code already have been usable from the get-go without Caldera's say-so? The diffreg.c file in csrg shows a copyright of the Regents of the University of California, and doesn't mention Caldera at all. The issue is of some interest because the wiki page documenting candidates to replace GPL software in base list the OpenBSD copies of the diff tools: https://wiki.freebsd.org/GPLinBase The 4 clause BSD license that comes with the Caldera copyright is a problem when it comes to mixing and matching with (L)GPL code, which is one of my possible use cases, so I'm interested in whether the original diff in csrg can be regarded as licensed with the standard 3 clause license? If that is the case, is there a possibility that the changes made to OpenBSD's version could be re-applied starting with the 4.4BSD-lite copy as a base rather than the Caldera version to create a "modern" 3-clause BSD licensed diff? Apologies if this has been covered before in the process of the SoC projects, but if it was I haven't turned it up yet - any help appreciated. Thanks, CY From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 00:03:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCE2320 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 00:03:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: from mail-qe0-f48.google.com (mail-qe0-f48.google.com [209.85.128.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109A661B for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 00:03:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qe0-f48.google.com with SMTP id 9so3092722qea.35 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 17:03:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=Xxu1v/IaLdHbvrqmWdLqZixG97wFwrOfkDOxPlbqrLk=; b=YzO6kxvs7hd87dUC0GFOzfpUL+oUHC7grvMxE2SvIAqJg8Q0aW9lTr/MrOqCXAUbHJ xLWy3onSWI7GAVyehKKCjdeIoiXcWtyg2Xj8XYO7ESJj4A0cCxucpznH070LuSC2LFVK URcIFg47FulwQhQq42DGb/FrxgW2qFrCYUIi5ZcGc1mummyaaptTZgQSp9/U+HZplNhj t+BCAbuQ0BfvenNcgi4iMT+2MCVnVKlRLZM0zig6PdByBudWTEhkmRrt0JveEit/+Xx6 e5cjETEjGJ7s4KbRFucpEjJ8FVqd1e+u8R5sLbQueoEvR3YDbU81ZHTBMWWxj3+pZFt0 CkBA== X-Received: by 10.224.182.136 with SMTP id cc8mr39135181qab.10.1368835412753; Fri, 17 May 2013 17:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.66] ([96.236.21.119]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j3sm16074084qav.1.2013.05.17.17.03.31 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 17 May 2013 17:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: ZFS install on a partition Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 20:03:30 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5FB78660-EDA4-40DB-8A0D-B0DE23A0FB6C@kraus-haus.org> References: To: "bsd@todoo.biz" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk+Ld3j/yZJ+lO/OjSXlPt3VvQvsSyPFFTA3VF+k3Tyqv3Xn03ZI0HNimlMz58AbTwAhrMF Cc: Liste FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 00:03:39 -0000 On May 17, 2013, at 6:24 PM, "bsd@todoo.biz" wrote: > I know I should install a system using HBA and JBOD configuration - = but unfortunately this is not an option for this server.=20 I ran many ZFS pools on top of hardware raid units, because that is what = we had. It works fine and the NVRAM write cache of the better hardware = raid systems give you a performance boost. > What would you advise ?=20 >=20 > 1. Can I use an existing partition and setup ZFS on this partition = using a standard Zpool (no RAID).=20 Sure. Be careful when you say RAID=85 I assume you mean RAIDz = configured top level vdevs. Remember, a mirror is RAID-1 and the base = ZFS striping is considered RAID-0. So set it up as plain stripe of one = vdev :-) > 2. Should I use any other solution in order to setup this (like full = ZFS install on disk using the entire pool with ZFS).=20 If the system is configured with existing LUNS use them. > 3. Should I avoid using ZFS since my system is not well tuned and It = would be asking for trouble to use ZFS in these conditions.=20 No. One of the biggest benefits of ZFS is the end to end data integrity. = IF there is a silent fault in the HW RAID (it happens), ZFS will detect = the corrupt data and note it. If you had a mirror or other redundant = device, ZFS would then read the data from the *other* copy and rewrite = the bad block (or mark that physical block bad and use another). > P.S. Stability is a must for this system - so I won't die if you = answer "3" and tell me to keep on using UFS.=20 ZFS is stable, it is NOT as tuned as UFS just due to age. UFS in all of = it's various incarnations has been tuned far more than any filesystem = has any right to be. I spent many years managing Solaris system and I = was truly amazed at how tuned the Solaris version of UFS was. 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[92.90.16.25]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x13sm408540wib.3.2013.05.17.20.57.24 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 17 May 2013 20:57:24 -0700 (PDT) References: <5196B9FA.3090107@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <5196B9FA.3090107@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <73889732-5BE7-4702-96EB-09BCB128B57D@my.gd> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B144) From: Damien Fleuriot Subject: Re: ZFS install on a partition Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 05:56:30 +0200 To: Joshua Isom X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlPX8z9bcrx1AfKrQKq2BNTLY+kty8kg9X2qH+9XBFLTe02Oxwy9zNFyQgfGon0Thp9a2aP Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 03:57:27 -0000 On 18 May 2013, at 01:15, Joshua Isom wrote: > Your hardware raid should be faster than ZFS raid. Don't use zfs raid bec= ause there will be no benefit. =20 Self healing much ? I wouldn't dream of dropping it for a 20mb/s performance increase from a HW c= ontroller. What if the controller derps and writes bad data ? > You'll get the performance of software raid using CPU time, along with los= t space for already backed up data. >=20 > ZFS should work fine. A lot of the tuning on the wiki page isn't needed a= nymore, so it's not too bad. The biggest thing to be careful with is upgrad= ing your zpool, every so often your boot blocks may need updated and if you f= orget, you can't boot. You won't upgrade your pool often of course. Reliab= ility shouldn't be an issue, it's FreeBSD. ZFS will make it easier to play a= round with jails, have fun and create a 1000 node beowulf on one system. >=20 > On 5/17/2013 5:24 PM, bsd@todoo.biz wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> I have a question regarding ZFS install on a system setup using an Intel M= odular. >>=20 >> This system runs various flavor of FreeBSD and Linux using a shared pool (= LUNs). >> These LUNs have been configured in RAID 6 using the internal controller (= LSI logic). >>=20 >> So from the OS point of view there is just a volume available. >>=20 >>=20 >> I know I should install a system using HBA and JBOD configuration - but u= nfortunately this is not an option for this server. >>=20 >> What would you advise ? >>=20 >> 1. Can I use an existing partition and setup ZFS on this partition using a= standard Zpool (no RAID). >>=20 >> 2. Should I use any other solution in order to setup this (like full ZFS i= nstall on disk using the entire pool with ZFS). >>=20 >> 3. Should I avoid using ZFS since my system is not well tuned and It woul= d be asking for trouble to use ZFS in these conditions. >>=20 >>=20 >> P.S. Stability is a must for this system - so I won't die if you answer "= 3" and tell me to keep on using UFS. >>=20 >>=20 >> Thanks. >>=20 >>=20 >> ________________________________________________ >> =C2=AB?=C2=BB=C2=A5=C2=AB?=C2=BB=C2=A7=C2=AB?=C2=BB=C2=A5=C2=AB?=C2=BB=C2= =A7=C2=AB?=C2=BB=C2=A5=C2=AB?=C2=BB=C2=A7=C2=AB?=C2=BB=C2=A5=C2=AB?=C2=BB=C2= =A7=C2=AB?=C2=BB=C2=A5=C2=AB?=C2=BB=C2=A7=C2=AB?=C2=BB=C2=A5=C2=AB?=C2=BB=C2= =A7 >> =C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2= =AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2= =AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2= =AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF >> BSD - BSD - BSD - BSD - BSD - BSD - BSD - BSD - >> ________________________________________________ >> =C2=AB?=C2=BB=C2=A5=C2=AB?=C2=BB=C2=A7=C2=AB?=C2=BB=C2=A5=C2=AB?=C2=BB=C2= =A7=C2=AB?=C2=BB=C2=A5=C2=AB?=C2=BB=C2=A7=C2=AB?=C2=BB=C2=A5=C2=AB?=C2=BB=C2= =A7=C2=AB?=C2=BB=C2=A5=C2=AB?=C2=BB=C2=A7=C2=AB?=C2=BB=C2=A5=C2=AB?=C2=BB=C2= =A7 >> =C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2= =AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2= =AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2= =AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF=C2=AF >> PGP ID --> 0x1BA3C2FD >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 05:26:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE4F258 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 05:26:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd@todoo.biz) Received: from newmail.rmm.fr (newmail.rmm.fr [213.251.152.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E4CF149 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 05:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from newmail.rmm.fr (newmail.rmm.fr [213.251.152.9]) by newmail.rmm.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 043731676A3 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 07:26:08 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.8.0 (20120630) at rmm.fr Received: from newmail.rmm.fr ([213.251.152.9]) by newmail.rmm.fr (newmail.rmm.fr [213.251.152.9]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k27hbvmzcAdf for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 07:26:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from newmail.rmm.fr (newmail.rmm.fr [87.98.206.99]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: hidden) by newmail.rmm.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 01AE0167698 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 07:26:06 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Subject: Re: ZFS install on a partition From: "bsd@todoo.biz" In-Reply-To: <5FB78660-EDA4-40DB-8A0D-B0DE23A0FB6C@kraus-haus.org> Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 07:26:05 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <39FA940D-9410-4945-8BFB-EE1354A164AC@todoo.biz> References: <5FB78660-EDA4-40DB-8A0D-B0DE23A0FB6C@kraus-haus.org> To: Liste FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 05:26:10 -0000 Thanks for this documented answer.=20 Couple of comments though=85=20 Le 18 mai 2013 =E0 02:03, Paul Kraus a =E9crit : > On May 17, 2013, at 6:24 PM, "bsd@todoo.biz" wrote: >=20 >> I know I should install a system using HBA and JBOD configuration - = but unfortunately this is not an option for this server.=20 >=20 > I ran many ZFS pools on top of hardware raid units, because that is = what we had. It works fine and the NVRAM write cache of the better = hardware raid systems give you a performance boost. >=20 >> What would you advise ?=20 >>=20 >> 1. Can I use an existing partition and setup ZFS on this partition = using a standard Zpool (no RAID).=20 >=20 > Sure. Be careful when you say RAID=85 I assume you mean RAIDz = configured top level vdevs. Remember, a mirror is RAID-1 and the base = ZFS striping is considered RAID-0. So set it up as plain stripe of one = vdev :-) Ok so I'll use a dedicated volume (LUN) and install it as a RAID-0 vdev.=20= >=20 >> 2. Should I use any other solution in order to setup this (like full = ZFS install on disk using the entire pool with ZFS).=20 >=20 > If the system is configured with existing LUNS use them. >=20 >> 3. Should I avoid using ZFS since my system is not well tuned and It = would be asking for trouble to use ZFS in these conditions.=20 >=20 > No. One of the biggest benefits of ZFS is the end to end data = integrity. IF there is a silent fault in the HW RAID (it happens), ZFS = will detect the corrupt data and note it. If you had a mirror or other = redundant device, ZFS would then read the data from the *other* copy and = rewrite the bad block (or mark that physical block bad and use another). >=20 >> P.S. Stability is a must for this system - so I won't die if you = answer "3" and tell me to keep on using UFS.=20 >=20 > ZFS is stable, it is NOT as tuned as UFS just due to age. UFS in all = of it's various incarnations has been tuned far more than any filesystem = has any right to be. I spent many years managing Solaris system and I = was truly amazed at how tuned the Solaris version of UFS was. >=20 > I have been running a number of 9.0 and 9.1 servers in production, all = running ZFS for both OS and data, with no FS related issues. 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Should I avoid using ZFS since my system is not well tuned and It = would be asking for trouble to use ZFS in these conditions.=20 >>=20 >> No. One of the biggest benefits of ZFS is the end to end data = integrity. >> IF there is a silent fault in the HW RAID (it happens), ZFS will = detect >> the corrupt data and note it. If you had a mirror or other redundant = device, >> ZFS would then read the data from the *other* copy and rewrite the = bad >> block (or mark that physical block bad and use another). >=20 > I believe the "copies=3D2" and "copies=3D3" option exists to enable = ZFS to > self heal despite ZFS not being in charge of RAID. If ZFS only has a = single > LUN to work with, but the copies=3D2 or more option is set, then if = ZFS > detects an error it can still correct it. >=20 > This option is a dataset option, is inheritable by child datasets, and = can > be changed at any time affecting data written after the change. To get = the > full benefit you'll therefore want to set the option before putting = data > into the relevant dataset. Ok, good to know. I planned to setup a consistent Snapshot policy and remote backup using = zfs send / receive=20 That should be enough for me=85=20 Is the overhead of this setup equal to double size used on disk ?=20 >=20 > --=20 > Kevin P. 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The snapshots keep only the differences between the live system and each ot= her, so if you have made 10GB changes over the last 7 days and your oldest = snapshot is 7 days old - then the overhead will be a little more than 10GB = (because of the system info) :) So this is very efficient way to make the things run. Just keep in mind that having a lot of snapshots can decrease performance w= hen you create/delete a snapshot, as the system should calculate the change= s. Best regards, Ivailo Tanusheff -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of bsd@todoo.biz Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 8:33 AM To: Liste FreeBSD Subject: Re: ZFS install on a partition Le 18 mai 2013 =E0 06:49, kpneal@pobox.com a =E9crit : > On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 08:03:30PM -0400, Paul Kraus wrote: >> On May 17, 2013, at 6:24 PM, "bsd@todoo.biz" wrote: >>> 3. Should I avoid using ZFS since my system is not well tuned and It wo= uld be asking for trouble to use ZFS in these conditions.=20 >>=20 >> No. One of the biggest benefits of ZFS is the end to end data integrity. >> IF there is a silent fault in the HW RAID (it happens), ZFS will=20 >> detect the corrupt data and note it. If you had a mirror or other=20 >> redundant device, ZFS would then read the data from the *other* copy=20 >> and rewrite the bad block (or mark that physical block bad and use anoth= er). >=20 > I believe the "copies=3D2" and "copies=3D3" option exists to enable ZFS t= o=20 > self heal despite ZFS not being in charge of RAID. If ZFS only has a=20 > single LUN to work with, but the copies=3D2 or more option is set, then=20 > if ZFS detects an error it can still correct it. >=20 > This option is a dataset option, is inheritable by child datasets, and=20 > can be changed at any time affecting data written after the change. To=20 > get the full benefit you'll therefore want to set the option before=20 > putting data into the relevant dataset. Ok, good to know. I planned to setup a consistent Snapshot policy and remote backup using zfs= send / receive That should be enough for me.=20 Is the overhead of this setup equal to double size used on disk ?=20 >=20 > --=20 > Kevin P. 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Yes, this RAID is good, but unless you use SSD disks to boost performan= ce and a lot of RAM the hardware raid should be more reliable and mush fast= er. I didn't get if you want to use the system to dual boot Linux/FreeBSD or ju= st to share FreeBSD space with linux. But I would advise you to go with option 1 - you will get most of the syste= m and obviously you don't need zpool with raid, as your LSI controller will= do all the redundancy for you. Making software RAID over the hardware one = will only decrease performance and will NOT increase the reliability, as yo= u will not be sure which information is stored on which physical disk. If stability is a MUST, then I will also advise you to go with bunch of poo= ls and a disk designated as hot spare - in case some disk dies you will rel= y on the automation recovery. Also you should run monitoring tool on your r= aid controller. You can also set copies=3D2/3 just in case some errors occur, so ZFS can au= to0repair the data. if you run ZFS over several LUNs this will make even mo= re sense.=20 Best regards, Ivailo Tanusheff -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of bsd@todoo.biz Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 1:24 AM To: Liste FreeBSD Subject: ZFS install on a partition Hi,=20 I have a question regarding ZFS install on a system setup using an Intel Mo= dular.=20 This system runs various flavor of FreeBSD and Linux using a shared pool (L= UNs).=20 These LUNs have been configured in RAID 6 using the internal controller (LS= I logic).=20 So from the OS point of view there is just a volume available.=20 I know I should install a system using HBA and JBOD configuration - but unf= ortunately this is not an option for this server.=20 What would you advise ?=20 1. Can I use an existing partition and setup ZFS on this partition using a = standard Zpool (no RAID).=20 2. Should I use any other solution in order to setup this (like full ZFS in= stall on disk using the entire pool with ZFS).=20 3. Should I avoid using ZFS since my system is not well tuned and It would = be asking for trouble to use ZFS in these conditions.=20 P.S. Stability is a must for this system - so I won't die if you answer "3"= and tell me to keep on using UFS.=20 Thanks.=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 08:41:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795BF98B for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 08:41:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ivailo.Tanusheff@skrill.com) Received: from am1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (am1ehsobe004.messaging.microsoft.com [213.199.154.207]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98E07FE for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 08:41:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail82-am1-R.bigfish.com (10.3.201.249) by AM1EHSOBE027.bigfish.com (10.3.207.149) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Sat, 18 May 2013 07:55:58 +0000 Received: from mail82-am1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail82-am1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57162240C29; Sat, 18 May 2013 07:55:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.249.213; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:AM2PRD0710HT003.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: -1 X-BigFish: PS-1(zz9371Ic89bh542I1432Izz1f42h1ee6h1de0h1fdah1202h1e76h1d1ah1d2ah1fc6hzz8275fh8275bh8275dhz2fh2a8h668h839h947hd24hf0ah1288h12a5h12a9h12bdh137ah13b6h1441h1504h1537h153bh162dh1631h1758h18e1h1946h19b5h19ceh1ad9h1b0ah1d07h1d0ch1d2eh1d3fh9a9j1155h) Received-SPF: pass (mail82-am1: domain of skrill.com designates 157.56.249.213 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.249.213; envelope-from=Ivailo.Tanusheff@skrill.com; helo=AM2PRD0710HT003.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com ; .outlook.com ; X-Forefront-Antispam-Report-Untrusted: SFV:SKI; SFS:; DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:-1; SRVR:DB3PR07MB059; H:DB3PR07MB059.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com; LANG:en; Received: from mail82-am1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail82-am1 (MessageSwitch) id 1368863756141444_3073; Sat, 18 May 2013 07:55:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from AM1EHSMHS017.bigfish.com (unknown [10.3.201.248]) by mail82-am1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170A5C0048; Sat, 18 May 2013 07:55:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from AM2PRD0710HT003.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (157.56.249.213) by AM1EHSMHS017.bigfish.com (10.3.207.155) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Sat, 18 May 2013 07:55:56 +0000 Received: from DB3PR07MB059.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.242.137.149) by AM2PRD0710HT003.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.255.165.38) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.311.1; Sat, 18 May 2013 07:55:55 +0000 Received: from DB3PR07MB059.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.242.137.149) by DB3PR07MB059.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.242.137.149) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.698.13; Sat, 18 May 2013 07:55:54 +0000 Received: from DB3PR07MB059.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.2.144]) by DB3PR07MB059.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.2.144]) with mapi id 15.00.0698.010; Sat, 18 May 2013 07:55:54 +0000 From: Ivailo Tanusheff To: "bsd@todoo.biz" Subject: RE: ZFS install on a partition Thread-Topic: ZFS install on a partition Thread-Index: AQHOU01bsoTCuF7L+0CRx2p5cPppmJkKhktwgAAKioCAAAB2UA== Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 07:55:54 +0000 Message-ID: <95973cab044c4e42ae70b564cf28897f@DB3PR07MB059.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com> References: <372082cab2064846809615a8073e022c@DB3PR07MB059.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [217.18.249.148] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: skrill.com Cc: Liste FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 08:41:27 -0000 Hi, If you go with RAID6 setup on your RAID I think you will not need spare so = much, as you will actually have data redundancy distributed over 2 disks. I think you can use 2 or 3 LUNS, just to have more flexibility in the solut= ion, but it is not a must :) For the usage of two copies on pool named "mypool" issue: zfs set copies=3D2 mypool Best regards, Ivailo Tanusheff -----Original Message----- From: bsd@todoo.biz [mailto:bsd@todoo.biz]=20 Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:46 AM To: Ivailo Tanusheff Subject: Re: ZFS install on a partition Le 18 mai 2013 =E0 09:21, Ivailo Tanusheff a = =E9crit : > Hi, >=20 > If you use HBA/JBOD then you will rely on the software RAID of the ZFS sy= stem. This is the config of my backup system - not the one I am planning to updat= e.=20 > Yes, this RAID is good, but unless you use SSD disks to boost performance= and a lot of RAM the hardware raid should be more reliable and mush faster= . Ok=20 > I didn't get if you want to use the system to dual boot Linux/FreeBSD or = just to share FreeBSD space with linux. Neither one !=20 I want to setup a full FreeBSD only system.=20 Will be used to deploy jails.=20 > But I would advise you to go with option 1 - you will get most of the sys= tem and obviously you don't need zpool with raid, as your LSI controller wi= ll do all the redundancy for you. Making software RAID over the hardware on= e will only decrease performance and will NOT increase the reliability, as = you will not be sure which information is stored on which physical disk. Ok >=20 > If stability is a MUST, then I will also advise you to go with bunch of p= ools and a disk designated as hot spare - in case some disk dies you will r= ely on the automation recovery. Also you should run monitoring tool on your= raid controller. I can't do that because of the design of the machine I will use.=20 I only have LUN's available configured as volume on top of a RAID 6 pool of= disks.=20 This is presented as a block device to the system.=20 > You can also set copies=3D2/3 just in case some errors occur, so ZFS can = auto0repair the data. if you run ZFS over several LUNs this will make even = more sense.=20 Ok I'll try to figure out how to do that during install in order to have th= at as soon as possible during the system install.=20 Thx.=20 >=20 > Best regards, > Ivailo Tanusheff >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=20 > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of=20 > bsd@todoo.biz > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 1:24 AM > To: Liste FreeBSD > Subject: ZFS install on a partition >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I have a question regarding ZFS install on a system setup using an Intel = Modular.=20 >=20 > This system runs various flavor of FreeBSD and Linux using a shared pool = (LUNs).=20 > These LUNs have been configured in RAID 6 using the internal controller (= LSI logic).=20 >=20 > So from the OS point of view there is just a volume available.=20 >=20 >=20 > I know I should install a system using HBA and JBOD configuration - but u= nfortunately this is not an option for this server.=20 >=20 > What would you advise ?=20 >=20 > 1. Can I use an existing partition and setup ZFS on this partition using = a standard Zpool (no RAID).=20 >=20 > 2. Should I use any other solution in order to setup this (like full ZFS = install on disk using the entire pool with ZFS).=20 >=20 > 3. Should I avoid using ZFS since my system is not well tuned and It woul= d be asking for trouble to use ZFS in these conditions.=20 >=20 >=20 > P.S. Stability is a must for this system - so I won't die if you answer "= 3" and tell me to keep on using UFS.=20 >=20 >=20 > Thanks.=20 >=20 >=20 ________________________________________________ =AB?=BB=A5=AB?=BB=A7=AB?=BB=A5=AB?=BB=A7=AB?=BB=A5=AB?=BB=A7=AB?=BB=A5=AB?= =BB=A7=AB?=BB=A5=AB?=BB=A7=AB?=BB=A5=AB?=BB=A7 =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF= =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF BSD - BSD - BSD - BSD - BSD - BSD - BSD - BSD - ___________________________= _____________________ =AB?=BB=A5=AB?=BB=A7=AB?=BB=A5=AB?=BB=A7=AB?=BB=A5=AB?=BB=A7=AB?=BB=A5=AB?= =BB=A7=AB?=BB=A5=AB?=BB=A7=AB?=BB=A5=AB?=BB=A7 =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF= =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF PGP ID --> 0x1BA3C2FD From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 10:48:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A886868 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 10:48:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF5D5B33 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 10:48:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793A15E343 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 12:48:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.965 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.965 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.033, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.596] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id q5zN2tMqVllV for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 12:48:13 +0200 (CEST) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from blj01.no-ip.org (c224-156-70-80.bjare.net [80.70.156.224]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC0E5E336 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 12:48:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <51975C6B.1060305@eskk.nu> Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 12:48:11 +0200 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130516 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: pkg version -L howto? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 10:48:28 -0000 I ran into a little problem with my "old" crontab scripts. I do the following: portsnap -I cron update /usr/local/sbin/portmaster -y --clean-distfiles /usr/local/sbin/portmaster -aF pkg version -vIL After changing to pkg the check for outdated ports fails on the -L flag pkg version -vIL pkg: option requires an argument -- L usage: pkg version [-IPR] [-hoqv] [-l limchar] [-L limchar] [[-X] -s string] [-r reponame] [-O origin] [index] pkg version -t pkg version -T According to "pkg help version" the -l -L should be followed by limchar. Unfortunately it is not clear what limchar can be. Looking at the examples in help I drew the conclusion that limchar can be one of the following: = < > ? ! And in my case I would need the -L < to show which packages need to be updated. But that is not the case. root@blj01~:pkg version -vIL= root@blj01~:pkg version -vIL< Missing name for redirect. root@blj01~:pkg version -vIL> Missing name for redirect. root@blj01~:pkg version -vIL? pkg: No match. root@blj01~:pkg version -vIL! Lists all installed packages I would very much like a suggestion on how to get this right. Thank you /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 11:17:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B84DD5C for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 11:17:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17929C2F for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 11:17:46 +0000 (UTC) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=H53inYoi c=1 sm=0 tr=0 a=nVny9ETX7T5uMhI2oTVyRA==:117 a=AaUjGI9IrlcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=OA2lqS22AAAA:8 a=sIt-5M63AAAA:8 a=sFxj9iJyDF0A:10 a=gcAU59x3M8JD2tjN4JoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=roberthuff@rcn.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=roberthuff@rcn.com; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 209.6.193.164 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of rcn.com) Received: from [209.6.193.164] ([209.6.193.164:24429] helo=jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTP id E7/DB-03392-95367915; Sat, 18 May 2013 07:17:46 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20887.25432.855024.800652@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 07:17:44 -0400 To: Leslie Jensen Subject: pkg version -L howto? In-Reply-To: <51975C6B.1060305@eskk.nu> References: <51975C6B.1060305@eskk.nu> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 22) "Instant Classic" XEmacs Lucid Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 11:17:47 -0000 Leslie Jensen writes: > pkg version -vIL > pkg: option requires an argument -- L > usage: pkg version [-IPR] [-hoqv] [-l limchar] [-L limchar] [[-X] -s string] > [-r reponame] [-O origin] [index] > pkg version -t > pkg version -T > > According to "pkg help version" the -l -L should be followed by limchar. > > Unfortunately it is not clear what limchar can be. Looking at the > examples in help I drew the conclusion that limchar can be one of the > following: > = < > ? ! The limchar needs to be escaped, otherwise it gets picked off by the shell. Grepped for my crontab: pkg version -vl \< Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 12:00:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C094B0 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 12:00:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE98CDE9 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 12:00:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nine.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by smtp-int.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354C07470; Sat, 18 May 2013 11:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by nine.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id AFAA949D55; Sat, 18 May 2013 13:59:44 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Clifford Yapp Subject: Re: License on the original BSD diff References: Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 13:59:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Clifford Yapp's message of "Fri, 17 May 2013 19:49:32 -0400") Message-ID: <86a9nswlan.fsf@nine.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 12:00:01 -0000 Clifford Yapp writes: > The issue is of some interest because the wiki page documenting > candidates to replace GPL software in base list the OpenBSD copies of > the diff tools: [...] We already have working BSD-licensed versions of diff and diff3 in the SoC repo. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 12:15:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E00B43 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 12:15:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08C8EC7 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 12:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.41]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490A333C2A; Sat, 18 May 2013 08:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 002C039860; Sat, 18 May 2013 08:15:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Tommy Pham Subject: Re: Compiling a lean kernel of 9.1 p3 References: Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 08:15:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Tommy Pham's message of "Wed, 15 May 2013 10:47:05 -0700") Message-ID: <447giw8ox9.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 12:15:29 -0000 Tommy Pham writes: > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Tommy Pham wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> I installed 9.1 from DVD with src only and did 'freebsd-update fetch >> install'. Then I proceed to compile the lean kernel. I'm unable to >> compile a lean (no SCSI, RAID, sound, USB, Firewire, NICs) kernel of 9.1 p3 >> and without lib32 support. I only needed SATA disk and em NIC support. >> The kernel compiled without errors. However, on boot, it freezes after >> the menu screen. My make.conf only have added (from default >> /usr/share/examples/etc): >> >> KERNCONF=custom >> CPUTYPE=?opteron >> >> I have no problem booting from GENERIC built kernel and buildworld with >> that make.conf. Could someone please tell me how can I troubleshoot this? >> >> TIA, >> Tommy >> > > Hi again, > > I said that wrong... I meant that I was able to compile OK but unable to > boot with a lean kernel. I was able to boot buildworld and buildkernel of > GENERIC. The way to do this is to use a binary search. Start with a working (GENERIC) kernel, then add half your changes in. If it fails, then you know the problem is in the set of changes that you included. If it works, the problem is in the set of changes you didn't include. It's a little more complicated because there may well be a dependency, where two options need to both be included or left out, but I'm sure you get the idea. Alternatively, you could include kernel debugging and see where the CPU is executing after the hang. But this requires more programming knowledge. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 13:02:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A90662 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 13:02:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: from mail-yh0-x22c.google.com (mail-yh0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::22c]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE2679 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 13:02:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f44.google.com with SMTP id 29so1255529yhl.17 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 06:02:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=1gYoGVHCxNCcVWMivZKdbxbJndA1MAqvX1P89VzfVsE=; b=mcmlU6sVsH6XJCeIez16Rn8TvJ49hG4RQRL/i3WAfZn6K300F5z4rRw00Nk31GgmZ/ I1YVJuaUX4z7Jq3DSr1YUcB51wwfQTRUxRqKwI8F3Ty+d1RB/THxpiED1QOA8QrkCw94 slGI5M2CAqPKK2xI3r9rtQMa/9WLV/MA/9tu65KVjt17LcGuLsYKR1ujp59D3MrcwoN5 Rkrd28+R7O+u+YXl3QCSoWOZOFjdd6ET/3BJ4MvVZL6sD0h+cfZa4NA/s05Wg1b21C1V 3dF/9BufeO7dZK4nrdvynv8lh0RhJS86TkZWwAcgC5BYDU69tzPS8Ppw04SNVLGnk6Xw SonQ== X-Received: by 10.236.29.202 with SMTP id i50mr29867991yha.82.1368882138481; Sat, 18 May 2013 06:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.66] ([96.236.21.119]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id t41sm24723795yhh.11.2013.05.18.06.02.17 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 18 May 2013 06:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: ZFS install on a partition Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: <372082cab2064846809615a8073e022c@DB3PR07MB059.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com> Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 09:02:15 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <372082cab2064846809615a8073e022c@DB3PR07MB059.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com> To: Ivailo Tanusheff X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkN1fSLqmWIm2+Qc/Ot2k4QpClWY0K7KayJuwEUCNGD2mGhW7HQftTFcKGG/+mxhw5uDrvh Cc: Liste FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 13:02:20 -0000 On May 18, 2013, at 3:21 AM, Ivailo Tanusheff = wrote: > If you use HBA/JBOD then you will rely on the software RAID of the ZFS = system. Yes, this RAID is good, but unless you use SSD disks to boost = performance and a lot of RAM the hardware raid should be more reliable = and mush faster. Why will the hardware raid be more reliable ? While hardware = raid is susceptible to uncorrectable errors from the physical drives = (hardware raid controllers rely on the drives to report bad reads and = writes), and the uncorrectable error rate for modern drives is such that = with high capacity drives (1TB and over) you are almost certain to run = into a couple over the operational life of the drive. 10^-14 for cheap = drives and 10^-15 for better drives, very occasionally I see a drive = rated for 10^-16. Run the math and see how many TB worth of data you = have to write and read (remember these failures are generally read = failures with NO indication that a failure occurred, bad data is just = returned to the system). In terms of performance HW raid is faster, generally due to the = cache RAM built into the HW raid controller. ZFS makes good use of = system, RAM for the same function. An SSD can help with performance if = the majority of writes are sync (NFS is a good example of this) or if = you can benefit from a much larger read cache. SSDs are deployed with = ZFS as either write LOG devices (in which case they should be mirrored), = but they only come into play for SYNC writes; and as an extension of the = ARC, the L2ARC, which does not have to be mirrored as it is only a cache = of existing data for spying up reads. > I didn't get if you want to use the system to dual boot Linux/FreeBSD = or just to share FreeBSD space with linux. > But I would advise you to go with option 1 - you will get most of the = system and obviously you don't need zpool with raid, as your LSI = controller will do all the redundancy for you. Making software RAID over = the hardware one will only decrease performance and will NOT increase = the reliability, as you will not be sure which information is stored on = which physical disk. >=20 > If stability is a MUST, then I will also advise you to go with bunch = of pools and a disk designated as hot spare - in case some disk dies you = will rely on the automation recovery. Also you should run monitoring = tool on your raid controller. I think you misunderstand the difference between stability and = reliability. Any ZFS configuration I have tried on FreeBSD is STABLE, = having redundant vdevs (mirrors or RAIDz) along with hot spares can = increase RELIABILITY. The only advantage to having a hot spare is that = when a drive fails (and they all fail eventually), the REPLACE operation = can start immediately without you noticing and manually replacing the = failed drive. Reliability is a combination of reduction in MTBF (mean time = between failure) and MTTR (mean time to repair). Having a hot spare = reduces the MTTR. The other way to improve MTTR is to go with smaller = drives to recede the time it takes the system to resilver a failed = drive. This is NOT applicable in the OP's situation. I try very hard not = so use drives larger than 1TB because resilver times can be days. = Resilver time also depends on the total size of the the data in a zpool, = as a resolver operation walks the FS in time, replaying all the writes = and confirming that all the data on disk is good (it does not actually = rewrite the data unless it finds bad data). This means a couple things, = the first of which is that the resilver time will be dependent on the = amount of data you have written, not the capacity. A zppol with a = capacity of multiple TB will resilver in seconds if there is only a few = hundred MB written to it. Since the resilver operation is not just a = block by block copy, but a replay, it is I/Ops limited not bandwidth = limited. You might be able to stream sequential data from a drive at = hundreds of MB/sec., but most SATA drives will not sustain more than one = to two hundred RANDOM I/Ops (sequentially they can do much more). > You can also set copies=3D2/3 just in case some errors occur, so ZFS = can auto0repair the data. if you run ZFS over several LUNs this will = make even more sense.=20 -- Paul Kraus Deputy Technical Director, LoneStarCon 3 Sound Coordinator, Schenectady Light Opera Company From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 13:08:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F3BA39 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 13:08:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: from mail-gg0-x230.google.com (mail-gg0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c02::230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 206A4D0 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 13:08:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-gg0-f176.google.com with SMTP id b1so333500ggm.21 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 06:08:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=LqYUrEDKbFgCXfDV4xR/bWMRxjb8EVifoKfaQmBlQ5w=; b=ieCKh0Mn8EzwJX27yCK11IJduJIMDBjqrMhL+a//ki6LNsMuRErrR8bRur2AgusIjV viPtGOJfF7zRWIiWC4gjXXeoDn+Kyu2YHxCzLVnxai4C8lpCt+NonwZoXizUwbxN+ia3 +kN9fM/Cg2whxYryrdcdLyy7w5PmpA51Nyui6IyN3wuYSlOfWDfTglWKzO65+/WBAQx2 /sd6XfXn2SPlhs86BXHzK7uW8zzwfa+zY3BKShfgM+t3razYQjF81apdw1pfby/oOJZa QQ4Km6exa/LviimCHYLCoMUpjO+1Tfk3hRV/r/di2T4iXR6Q1ILl0oKIAoLhzMK1W5rC UQBQ== X-Received: by 10.236.147.75 with SMTP id s51mr29842758yhj.33.1368880803892; Sat, 18 May 2013 05:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.66] ([96.236.21.119]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id n15sm24641031yhi.2.2013.05.18.05.40.01 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 18 May 2013 05:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: ZFS install on a partition Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: <20130518044900.GA30652@neutralgood.org> Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 08:40:00 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4F46D2E7-308C-45C9-B3A0-B2870E69AC19@kraus-haus.org> References: <5FB78660-EDA4-40DB-8A0D-B0DE23A0FB6C@kraus-haus.org> <20130518044900.GA30652@neutralgood.org> To: kpneal@pobox.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmj7UKFEs36AxwZwGuUCt1I7MPEbKg376Rtu4GQrbcUjWoS2dQ+weG1LSbcOvxue9CP9LfD Cc: Liste FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 13:08:38 -0000 On May 18, 2013, at 12:49 AM, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: > On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 08:03:30PM -0400, Paul Kraus wrote: >> On May 17, 2013, at 6:24 PM, "bsd@todoo.biz" wrote: >>> 3. Should I avoid using ZFS since my system is not well tuned and It = would be asking for trouble to use ZFS in these conditions.=20 >>=20 >> No. One of the biggest benefits of ZFS is the end to end data = integrity. >> IF there is a silent fault in the HW RAID (it happens), ZFS will = detect >> the corrupt data and note it. If you had a mirror or other redundant = device, >> ZFS would then read the data from the *other* copy and rewrite the = bad >> block (or mark that physical block bad and use another). >=20 > I believe the "copies=3D2" and "copies=3D3" option exists to enable = ZFS to > self heal despite ZFS not being in charge of RAID. If ZFS only has a = single > LUN to work with, but the copies=3D2 or more option is set, then if = ZFS > detects an error it can still correct it. Yes, but =85. What the "copies=3D" parameter does is tell ZFS = to make that many copies of every block written on the top level device. = So if you set copies=3D2 and then write a 2MB file, it will take up 4MB = of space since ZFS will keep two copies of it. ZFS will attempt to put = them on different devices if it can, but there are no guarantees here. = If you have a single vdev stripe and you lose that one device, you = *will* lose all your data (assuming you did not have another backup copy = someplace else). On the other hand, if the single device develops some = bad blocks, with copies=3D2 you will *probably* not lose data as there = will be other copies of those disk blocks elsewhere to recover from. =46rom my experience on the ZFS Discuss lists, the place people = seem to use copies=3D are on laptops where they only have = one drive and copies=3D is better than no protection at all, = it is just not complete protection. > This option is a dataset option, is inheritable by child datasets, and = can > be changed at any time affecting data written after the change. To get = the > full benefit you'll therefore want to set the option before putting = data > into the relevant dataset. You can change it any time and it will only effect data written = from that point on. This can be useful if you have both high value data = band low value and you can control when each is written. For example, = you leave copies=3D1 for most of the time, then you want to save your = wedding photos, so you set copies=3D3 and write all the wedding photos, = you then set copies=3D1. You will have three copies of the wedding = photos and one copy of everything else. -- Paul Kraus Deputy Technical Director, LoneStarCon 3 Sound Coordinator, Schenectady Light Opera Company From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 13:33:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC1E1AC for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 13:33:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cliffyapp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oa0-f45.google.com (mail-oa0-f45.google.com [209.85.219.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C68173 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 13:33:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id j6so6253032oag.32 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 06:33:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=6XWDkqmiBl2lx9kZ5sJ81HlfRffFy21HpZlLGhKv/YA=; b=U9WBjG4ynqPUjQRSgPIG0MVzHdAtqcgMIFNVdyvHgHhiDNCtcqU1J/Dh7pEUNM1S9F /mtLuj1oEo4TnlSlU6PX/CKG5Sr2Tb7ncr+hePzPZkAq4k7dCI8wiMfedOGhDoiJpOOV gUqiz5ITlTnVKHbEWUWDxbRfCVNFF/32KtPW2R+pnGObpDCYmKXbqF2BLkdzb3LB9nx9 XBbBpTD8WmhmVZTcJr5RfH9S8s4A8F7Twa06RD0+hl/uOKJelEl21DMbVDJS8w6tTsKd mMfIcCAwWiBvbESo37x6ZxF6pkoiip9EabpNi8Pk+4NsrQXhBbvNDudOTvrm7SUkE4Lh dtuw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.161.68 with SMTP id xq4mr2079002oeb.8.1368883999335; Sat, 18 May 2013 06:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.97.129 with HTTP; Sat, 18 May 2013 06:33:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86a9nswlan.fsf@nine.des.no> References: <86a9nswlan.fsf@nine.des.no> Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 09:33:19 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: License on the original BSD diff From: Clifford Yapp To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag=2DErling_Sm=F8rgrav?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 13:33:26 -0000 On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > Clifford Yapp writes: > > The issue is of some interest because the wiki page documenting > > candidates to replace GPL software in base list the OpenBSD copies of > > the diff tools: [...] > > We already have working BSD-licensed versions of diff and diff3 in the > SoC repo. > That's the repository here? (not coming up for me at the moment) https://socsvn.freebsd.org/socsvn/soc2012/jhagewood/ Those files are using the 3-clause BSD license? Thanks, CY From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 14:00:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9ACAB69 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 14:00:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ivailo.Tanusheff@skrill.com) Received: from co9outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co9ehsobe004.messaging.microsoft.com [207.46.163.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17BC226 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 14:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail70-co9-R.bigfish.com (10.236.132.244) by CO9EHSOBE008.bigfish.com (10.236.130.71) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Sat, 18 May 2013 13:30:07 +0000 Received: from mail70-co9 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail70-co9-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6375CA012F; Sat, 18 May 2013 13:30:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.249.213; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:AM2PRD0710HT004.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: -2 X-BigFish: PS-2(zz98dI9371I542I1432Izz1f42h1ee6h1de0h1fdah1202h1e76h1d1ah1d2ah1fc6hzz17326ah8275bh8275dhz2fh2a8h668h839h944hd24hf0ah1220h1288h12a5h12a9h12bdh137ah13b6h1441h1504h1537h153bh162dh1631h1758h18e1h1946h19b5h19ceh1ad9h1b0ah1d07h1d0ch1d2eh1d3fh9a9j1155h) Received-SPF: pass (mail70-co9: domain of skrill.com designates 157.56.249.213 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.249.213; envelope-from=Ivailo.Tanusheff@skrill.com; helo=AM2PRD0710HT004.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com ; .outlook.com ; X-Forefront-Antispam-Report-Untrusted: SFV:SKI; SFS:; DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:-1; SRVR:DB3PR07MB059; H:DB3PR07MB059.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com; LANG:en; Received: from mail70-co9 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail70-co9 (MessageSwitch) id 1368883804743308_23304; Sat, 18 May 2013 13:30:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO9EHSMHS001.bigfish.com (unknown [10.236.132.245]) by mail70-co9.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9BE5340073; Sat, 18 May 2013 13:30:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from AM2PRD0710HT004.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (157.56.249.213) by CO9EHSMHS001.bigfish.com (10.236.130.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Sat, 18 May 2013 13:30:04 +0000 Received: from DB3PR07MB059.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.242.137.149) by AM2PRD0710HT004.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.255.165.39) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.311.1; Sat, 18 May 2013 13:30:00 +0000 Received: from DB3PR07MB059.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.242.137.149) by DB3PR07MB059.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.242.137.149) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.698.13; Sat, 18 May 2013 13:29:59 +0000 Received: from DB3PR07MB059.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.2.144]) by DB3PR07MB059.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.2.144]) with mapi id 15.00.0698.010; Sat, 18 May 2013 13:29:59 +0000 From: Ivailo Tanusheff To: Paul Kraus Subject: RE: ZFS install on a partition Thread-Topic: ZFS install on a partition Thread-Index: AQHOU01bsoTCuF7L+0CRx2p5cPppmJkKhktwgABi8ICAAAP+YA== Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 13:29:58 +0000 Message-ID: References: <372082cab2064846809615a8073e022c@DB3PR07MB059.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [217.18.249.148] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: skrill.com Cc: Liste FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 14:00:26 -0000 The software RAID depends not only from the disks, but also from the change= s on the OS, which will occur more frequently than an update of the firmwar= e of the raid controller. So that makes the hardware raid more stable and r= eliable. Also the resources of the hardware raid are exclusively used by the raid co= ntroller, which is not true for a software raid. So I do not get your point of appointing that a software raid is same/bette= r than the hardware one. About the second part - I point over both stability and reliability. Having= a spare disk reduces the risk as the recovery operation will start as soon= as a disk fails. It may sound paranoid, but still the possibility of a fai= ling disk which is detected after 8, 12 or even 24 hours is pretty big. Not sure about your calculations, hope you trust them, but in my previous c= ompany we have a 3-4 months period when a disk fails almost every day on 2 = year old servers, so trust me - I do NOT trust those calculations, as I've = seen the opposite. Maybe it was a failed batch of disk, shipped in the coun= try, but no one is insured against this. Yes, you can use several hot spare= s on the software raid, but: 1. You still depend on the problems, related to the OS. 2. If you read what the mate asking has written - you will see that is not = possible for him. I agree on the mentioned about recovering bid chunks of data, that's why I = suggested that he uses several smaller LUNs for the zpool. Best regards, Ivailo Tanusheff -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of Paul Kraus Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 4:02 PM To: Ivailo Tanusheff Cc: Liste FreeBSD Subject: Re: ZFS install on a partition On May 18, 2013, at 3:21 AM, Ivailo Tanusheff = wrote: > If you use HBA/JBOD then you will rely on the software RAID of the ZFS sy= stem. Yes, this RAID is good, but unless you use SSD disks to boost perform= ance and a lot of RAM the hardware raid should be more reliable and mush fa= ster. Why will the hardware raid be more reliable ? While hardware raid is susce= ptible to uncorrectable errors from the physical drives (hardware raid cont= rollers rely on the drives to report bad reads and writes), and the uncorre= ctable error rate for modern drives is such that with high capacity drives = (1TB and over) you are almost certain to run into a couple over the operati= onal life of the drive. 10^-14 for cheap drives and 10^-15 for better drive= s, very occasionally I see a drive rated for 10^-16. Run the math and see h= ow many TB worth of data you have to write and read (remember these failure= s are generally read failures with NO indication that a failure occurred, b= ad data is just returned to the system). In terms of performance HW raid is faster, generally due to the cache RAM = built into the HW raid controller. ZFS makes good use of system, RAM for th= e same function. An SSD can help with performance if the majority of writes= are sync (NFS is a good example of this) or if you can benefit from a much= larger read cache. SSDs are deployed with ZFS as either write LOG devices = (in which case they should be mirrored), but they only come into play for S= YNC writes; and as an extension of the ARC, the L2ARC, which does not have = to be mirrored as it is only a cache of existing data for spying up reads. > I didn't get if you want to use the system to dual boot Linux/FreeBSD or = just to share FreeBSD space with linux. > But I would advise you to go with option 1 - you will get most of the sys= tem and obviously you don't need zpool with raid, as your LSI controller wi= ll do all the redundancy for you. Making software RAID over the hardware on= e will only decrease performance and will NOT increase the reliability, as = you will not be sure which information is stored on which physical disk. >=20 > If stability is a MUST, then I will also advise you to go with bunch of p= ools and a disk designated as hot spare - in case some disk dies you will r= ely on the automation recovery. Also you should run monitoring tool on your= raid controller. I think you misunderstand the difference between stability and reliability= . Any ZFS configuration I have tried on FreeBSD is STABLE, having redundant= vdevs (mirrors or RAIDz) along with hot spares can increase RELIABILITY= . The only advantage to having a hot spare is that when a drive fails (and = they all fail eventually), the REPLACE operation can start immediately with= out you noticing and manually replacing the failed drive. Reliability is a combination of reduction in MTBF (mean time between failu= re) and MTTR (mean time to repair). Having a hot spare reduces the MTTR. Th= e other way to improve MTTR is to go with smaller drives to recede the time= it takes the system to resilver a failed drive. This is NOT applicable in = the OP's situation. I try very hard not so use drives larger than 1TB becau= se resilver times can be days. Resilver time also depends on the total size= of the the data in a zpool, as a resolver operation walks the FS in time, = replaying all the writes and confirming that all the data on disk is good (= it does not actually rewrite the data unless it finds bad data). This means= a couple things, the first of which is that the resilver time will be depe= ndent on the amount of data you have written, not the capacity. A zppol wit= h a capacity of multiple TB will resilver in seconds if there is only a few= hundred MB written to it. Since the resilver operation is not just a block= by block copy, but a replay, it is I/Ops limited not bandwidth limited. You might be abl= e to stream sequential data from a drive at hundreds of MB/sec., but most S= ATA drives will not sustain more than one to two hundred RANDOM I/Ops (sequ= entially they can do much more). > You can also set copies=3D2/3 just in case some errors occur, so ZFS can = auto0repair the data. if you run ZFS over several LUNs this will make even = more sense.=20 -- Paul Kraus Deputy Technical Director, LoneStarCon 3 Sound Coordinator, Schenectady Lig= ht Opera Company _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman= /listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 14:49:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1B04C1 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 14:49:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from relay00.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.5.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2924938C for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 14:49:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 28681 invoked by uid 0); 18 May 2013 14:49:13 -0000 Received: from 173.48.104.62 (HELO ?10.2.2.1?) (173.48.104.62) by relay00.pair.com with SMTP; 18 May 2013 14:49:13 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 173.48.104.62 Message-ID: <519794E9.6080500@sneakertech.com> Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 10:49:13 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Hot Swapping SATA drive? References: <26657.1368506242@server1.tristatelogic.com> In-Reply-To: <26657.1368506242@server1.tristatelogic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 14:49:22 -0000 > 1) Given a system running FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE, is anything bad gonna > happen if I insert a drive into this thing while the system is running? Assuming your board supports sata hotswap (too lazy to check) it'll be just fine. I've done this many times with the machine I'm messing with zfs on. > Will I be able to mount partitions contained on the drive in question > after I do so? y > 2) Given a system running FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE, is anything bad gonna > happen if I remove a drive from this thing while the system is running, > assuming that I have already properly umounted all relevant partitions > first? No. On my test machine I've been yoinking drives without even any unmounting and it's just fine (up until I pull that last drive in my array and zfs shits the bed). Honestly, the only thing you have to worry about is if you're in there messing with cable ends that you don't accidentally touch the cable clip to something else on the board and short it out. > 3) Assuming that I want to do this stuff, what BIOS options should I > be setting or unsetting on the motherboard? You need the sata ports running in straight up pure ahci mode (as opposed to "IDE mode" or "compatible" or something that emulates old style parallel-ata). Be aware that Windows up through XP doesn't support ahci, so if you're dual booting an old system you'll have problems. You'll also almost certainly want to disable any motherboard-based raid options too, as they tend to be complete crap. > sata vs esata esata is pin-identical to normal sata. The only difference is that esata has a more robust plug design meant to handle frequent [dis]connections and tighter electrical requirements in the cable for longer distances. As far as your board/OS is concerned, it's just another sata port. ______________________________________ it has a certain smooth-brained appeal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 15:13:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03FBD879; Sat, 18 May 2013 15:13:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from ozzie.tundraware.com (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2818639; Sat, 18 May 2013 15:13:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (viper.tundraware.com [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by ozzie.tundraware.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r4IFDG4Q006097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 18 May 2013 10:13:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Message-ID: <51979A8B.8080703@tundraware.com> Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 10:13:15 -0500 From: Tim Daneliuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Quartz Subject: Re: check variable content size in sh script References: <5194F65F.6080503@a1poweruser.com> <5194FB0A.9090400@tundraware.com> <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201F4D41F@ltcfiswmsgmb26> <5197998E.6050200@sneakertech.com> In-Reply-To: <5197998E.6050200@sneakertech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (ozzie.tundraware.com [192.168.0.1]); Sat, 18 May 2013 10:13:17 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: r4IFDG4Q006097 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Devin Teske , "Teske, Devin" , "" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 15:13:50 -0000 On 05/18/2013 10:09 AM, Quartz wrote: > >> However, if the OP wanted to actually truncate $FOO to 51 >> characters: >> >> NEWFOO=$( echo "$FOO" | awk -v max=51 '{print substr($0,0,max)}' ) > > You don't need all that for a simple truncation/substring, you can do it with a direct assignment: > > newfoo=${foo:0:51} > That works for bash, not sh. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 15:15:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0640191E for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 15:15:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from relay01.pair.com (relay01.pair.com [209.68.5.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AB5C64D for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 15:15:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 38864 invoked by uid 0); 18 May 2013 15:09:04 -0000 Received: from 173.48.104.62 (HELO ?10.2.2.1?) (173.48.104.62) by relay01.pair.com with SMTP; 18 May 2013 15:09:04 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 173.48.104.62 Message-ID: <5197998E.6050200@sneakertech.com> Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 11:09:02 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Devin Teske Subject: Re: check variable content size in sh script References: <5194F65F.6080503@a1poweruser.com> <5194FB0A.9090400@tundraware.com> <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201F4D41F@ltcfiswmsgmb26> In-Reply-To: <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201F4D41F@ltcfiswmsgmb26> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Tim Daneliuk , "Teske, Devin" , "" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 15:15:46 -0000 > However, if the OP wanted to actually truncate $FOO to 51 > characters: > > NEWFOO=$( echo "$FOO" | awk -v max=51 '{print substr($0,0,max)}' ) You don't need all that for a simple truncation/substring, you can do it with a direct assignment: newfoo=${foo:0:51} The three params here are "variable", "start position" and "length". ______________________________________ it has a certain smooth-brained appeal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 15:38:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89285C50 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 15:38:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7929C765 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 15:38:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.10.1] ([173.88.196.224]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 18 May 2013 08:38:21 -0700 Message-ID: <5197A06A.9080401@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 11:38:18 -0400 From: Joe User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: netgraph network setup for jail(8) vnet jails. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2013 15:38:21.0612 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA23F6C0:01CE53DD] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Authenticated-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-EchoSenderHash: [fbsd8]-[a1poweruser*com] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 15:38:26 -0000 Hello list I cant get to the internet using this netgraph setup script. I sure would appreciate giving this console log a look over for errors. My netgraph knowledge level is not sufficient to see what is wrong. The goal is to run this script to setup and break down a netgraph network for a single vnet jail at a time. rl0 is the real nic interface device name of the nic facing the internet. This box is on my lan and the gateway box does NAT for all lan boxes. The host running this script can ping the internet ok. Thank you very much for your help. The host's kernel has modules with vimage & ipfw compiled in. From the host # /root >ifconfig rl0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu options=2008 ether 00:0c:6e:09:8b:74 inet 10.0.10.5 netmask 0xfffffff8 broadcast 10.0.10.7 nd6 options=29 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active plip0: flags=8810 metric 0 mtu 1500 nd6 options=29 ipfw0: flags=8801 metric 0 mtu 65536 nd6 options=29 lo0: flags=8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 options=600003 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x8 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 nd6 options=21 The jails config file # /root >cat /usr/local/etc/vnet/vdir4 vdir4 { host.hostname = "vdir4"; path = "/usr/jails/vdir4"; mount.fstab = "/usr/local/etc/fstab/vdir4"; vnet; persist; } The netgraph script # /root >cat /usr/local/bin/vnet.ng.test #!/bin/sh # snip comments for displaying here # This script is based on this /usr/share/examples/netgraph/virtual.lan # Give the name of ethernet interface. ETHER_INTF="rl0" # List the names of virtual nodes and their IP addresses. Use ':' # character to separate node name from node IP address and netmask. #TARGET_TOPOLOGY="c1|10.0.2.20/24 c2|10.0.2.21/24 c3|10.0.2.22/24" TARGET_TOPOLOGY="vdir4|10.0.2.20/24" # MAC manufacturer prefix. This can be modified according to needs. MAC_PREFIX="00:1d:92" # Temporary file is important for proper execution of script. TEMP_FILE="/var/tmp/virtual.lan.tmp" virtual_lan_start() { # Load netgraph KLD's as necessary. for KLD in ng_ether ng_bridge ng_eiface; do if ! kldstat -v | grep -qw ${KLD}; then echo -n "Loading ${KLD}.ko... " kldload ${KLD} || exit 1 echo "done" fi done # Reset all interfaces and jails. If temporary file can not be found # script assumes that there is no previous configuration. if [ ! -e ${TEMP_FILE} ]; then echo "No previous configuration(${TEMP_FILE}) found to clean-up." else echo -n "Cleaning previous configuration..." virtual_lan_stop echo "done" fi # Create temporary file for usage. This file includes generated # interface names and jail names. All bridges, interfaces and jails # are written to file while created. In clean-up process written # objects are cleaned (i.e. removed) from system. if [ -e ${TEMP_FILE} ]; then touch ${TEMP_FILE} fi echo -n "Verifying ethernet interface existence..." # Verify ethernet interface exist. if ! ngctl info ${ETHER_INTF}: >/dev/null 2>&1; then echo "Error: interface ${ETHER_INTF} does not exist" exit 1 fi ifconfig ${ETHER_INTF} up || exit 1 echo "done" # Get current number of bridge interfaces in the system. This number # is used to create a name for new bridge. BRIDGE_COUNT=`ngctl l | grep bridge | wc -l | sed -e "s/ //g"` BRIDGE_NAME="bridge${BRIDGE_COUNT}" # Create new ng_bridge(4) node and attach it to the ethernet interface. # Connect ng_ether:lower hook to bridge:link0 when creating bridge and # connect ng_ether:upper hook to bridge:link1 after bridge name is set. echo "Creating bridge interface: ${BRIDGE_NAME}..." ngctl mkpeer ${ETHER_INTF}: bridge lower link0 || exit 1 ngctl name ${ETHER_INTF}:lower ${BRIDGE_NAME} || exit 1 ngctl connect ${ETHER_INTF}: ${BRIDGE_NAME}: upper link1 || exit 1 echo "Bridge ${BRIDGE_NAME} is created and ${ETHER_INTF} is connected." # In the above code block two hooks are connected to bridge interface, # therefore LINKNUM is set to 2 indicating total number of connected # hooks on the bridge interface. LINKNUM=2 # Write name of the bridge to temp file. Clean-up procedure will use # this name to shutdown bridge interface. echo "bridge ${BRIDGE_NAME}" > ${TEMP_FILE} # Attach vnet jail. for NODE in ${TARGET_TOPOLOGY}; do # Virtual nodes are defined in TARGET_TOPOLOGY variable. They # have the form of 'nodeName|IPaddr'. Below two lines split # node definition to get node name and node IP. NODE_NAME=`echo ${NODE} | awk -F"|" '{print $1}'` NODE_IP=`echo ${NODE} | awk -F"|" '{print $2}'` # Create virtual node (jail) with given name echo -n "Creating virtual node (jail) ${NODE_NAME}..." jail -f "/usr/local/etc/vnet/${NODE_NAME}" -c ${NODE_NAME} if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then echo "Error: /usr/sbin/jail failed to start jail ${NODE_NAME}." virtual_lan_stop exit 2 fi echo "done" # Write name of the jail to temp file. Clean-up procedure will # use this name to remove jail. echo "node ${NODE_NAME}" >> ${TEMP_FILE} # Create a ng_eiface object for virtual node. ng_eiface # object has a hook that can be connected to one of bridge # links. After creating interface get its automatically # generated name for further usage. echo "Creating eiface interface for virtual node ${NODE_NAME}." ngctl mkpeer eiface ether ether EIFACE=`ngctl l | grep ngeth | tail -n 1| awk '{print $2}'` echo "Interface ${EIFACE} is created." # Write name of the interface to temp file. Clean-up procedure # will use this name to shutdown interface. echo "interface ${EIFACE}" >> ${TEMP_FILE} # Move virtual interface to virtual node. Note that Interface # name will not be changed at the end of this movement. Moved # interface can be seen at the output of ifconfig command in # jail: 'jexec jailname ifconfig' echo "Moving ${EIFACE} to ${NODE_NAME}" ifconfig ${EIFACE} vnet ${NODE_NAME} # Make lo0 interface localhost. jexec ${NODE_NAME} ifconfig lo0 localhost # Generate a random mac address for virtual interface. First # three octets can be changed by user. Last three octets are # generated randomly. M4=`od -An -N2 -i /dev/random | sed -e 's/ //g' | \ awk '{ print $1 % 256 }'` M5=`od -An -N2 -i /dev/random | sed -e 's/ //g' | \ awk '{ print $1 % 256 }'` M6=`od -An -N2 -i /dev/random | sed -e 's/ //g' | \ awk '{ print $1 % 256 }'` MAC=`printf ${MAC_PREFIX}:%02x:%02x:%02x ${M4} ${M5} ${M6}` # Set the link address (mac address) of virtual interface in # virtual node to randomly generated MAC. echo "Setting MAC address of ${EIFACE} to '${MAC}'" jexec ${NODE_NAME} ifconfig ${EIFACE} link $MAC # Either IPv4 or IPv6 can be used in this script. Ifconfig # IP setting syntax differs slightly for two IP versions. # For version 4 'inet' keyword is used whereas for version 6 # 'inet6' is used. Below line tries to decide which IP version # is given and sets IPVER to 'inet' or 'inet6'. IPVER=`echo ${NODE_IP} | awk -F"." '{ split($4,last,"/"); \ if( NF==4 && $1>0 && $1<256 && $2<256 && $3<256 && \ last[1]<256) print "inet"; else print "inet6"}'` # Set IP address of virtual interface in virtual node. echo "Setting IP address of ${EIFACE} to '${NODE_IP}'" jexec ${NODE_NAME} ifconfig ${EIFACE} ${IPVER} ${NODE_IP} # Connect virtual interface to bridge interface. Syntax is : # ngctl connect INTERFACE: BRIDGE: INTERFACE_HOOK EMPTY_LINK. # Interface has one hook named 'ether' and below line connects # ether hook to bridge's first unconnected link. echo -n "Connecting ${EIFACE}:ether to ${BRIDGE_NAME}:link${LINKNUM}..." ngctl connect ${EIFACE}: ${BRIDGE_NAME}: ether link${LINKNUM} \ || exit 1 echo "done" # Now, bridge has one more connected link thus link count is # incremented. LINKNUM=`expr ${LINKNUM} + 1` done echo "Virtual LAN established successfully!" } # Stop routine. virtual_lan_stop() { if [ ! -e ${TEMP_FILE} ]; then echo "Nothing to stop! ${TEMP_FILE}: temp file not found" else echo -n "Shutdown bridge interface.." OBJECTS=`cat ${TEMP_FILE} | grep bridge | awk '{print $2}'` for BRIDGE in ${OBJECTS}; do ngctl shutdown ${BRIDGE}: >/dev/null 2>&1 done echo "done" echo -n "Shutdown all eiface interfaces..." OBJECTS=`cat ${TEMP_FILE} | grep interface | awk '{print $2}'` for INTERFACE in ${OBJECTS}; do ngctl shutdown ${INTERFACE}: >/dev/null 2>&1 done echo "done" echo -n "Removing all jails..." OBJECTS=`cat ${TEMP_FILE} | grep node | awk '{print $2}'` for NODE in ${OBJECTS}; do jail -f "/usr/local/etc/vnet/${NODE}" -r ${NODE} done echo "done" echo "Removing tempfile ${TEMP_FILE}" rm ${TEMP_FILE} fi echo "Virtual LAN objects removed successfully!" } # Main entry point. case $# in 1) case $1 in start) echo -n "Creating default target topology:" echo " ${TARGET_TOPOLOGY}" virtual_lan_start ;; stop) if [ ! -e ${TEMP_FILE} ]; then echo -n "Noting to stop! ${TEMP_FILE}:" echo " temp file not found" else virtual_lan_stop fi ;; help) virtual_lan_usage exit 1 ;; *) virtual_lan_usage exit 1 esac ;; 2) case $1 in start) TARGET_TOPOLOGY=$2 echo -n "Creating target topology:" echo "${TARGET_TOPOLOGY}" virtual_lan_start ;; *) virtual_lan_usage exit 1 esac ;; *) virtual_lan_usage exit 1 esac # /root >vnet.ng.test start Creating default target topology: vdir4|10.0.2.20/24 Loading ng_ether.ko... done Loading ng_bridge.ko... done Loading ng_eiface.ko... done No previous configuration(/var/tmp/virtual.lan.tmp) found to clean-up. Verifying ethernet interface existence...done Creating bridge interface: bridge0... Bridge bridge0 is created and rl0 is connected. Creating virtual node (jail) vdir4...vdir4: created done Creating eiface interface for virtual node vdir4. Interface ngeth0 is created. Moving ngeth0 to vdir4 Setting MAC address of ngeth0 to '00:1d:92:df:92:8e' Setting IP address of ngeth0 to '10.0.2.20/24' Connecting ngeth0:ether to bridge0:link2...done Virtual LAN established successfully! # /root >ngctl ls -l There are 5 total nodes: Name: rl0 Type: ether ID: 00000001 Num hooks: 2 Local hook Peer name Peer type Peer ID Peer hook ---------- --------- --------- ------- --------- upper bridge0 bridge 00000006 link1 lower bridge0 bridge 00000006 link0 Name: ipfw0 Type: ether ID: 00000002 Num hooks: 0 Name: bridge0 Type: bridge ID: 00000006 Num hooks: 3 Local hook Peer name Peer type Peer ID Peer hook ---------- --------- --------- ------- --------- link2 ngeth0 eiface 0000000a ether link1 rl0 ether 00000001 upper link0 rl0 ether 00000001 lower Name: ngeth0 Type: eiface ID: 0000000a Num hooks: 1 Local hook Peer name Peer type Peer ID Peer hook ---------- --------- --------- ------- --------- ether bridge0 bridge 00000006 link2 Name: ngctl1513 Type: socket ID: 0000000d Num hooks: 0 # /root >jexec vdir4 tcsh vdir4 / >ping -c 1 8.8.178.135 PING 8.8.178.135 (8.8.178.135): 56 data bytes ping: sendto: No route to host --- 8.8.178.135 ping statistics --- 1 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100.0% packet loss vdir4 / >exit exit # /root >vnet.ng.test stop Shutdown bridge interface..done Shutdown all eiface interfaces...done Removing all jails...vdir4: removed done Removing tempfile /var/tmp/virtual.lan.tmp Virtual LAN objects removed successfully! # /root >jls JID IP Address Hostname Path # /root >ngctl ls -l There are 3 total nodes: Name: ngctl1540 Type: socket ID: 00000010 Num hooks: 0 Name: rl0 Type: ether ID: 00000001 Num hooks: 0 Name: ipfw0 Type: ether ID: 00000002 Num hooks: 0 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 15:58:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C0CF28 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 15:58:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from relay00.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.5.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C1F87ED for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 15:58:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 36406 invoked by uid 0); 18 May 2013 15:58:32 -0000 Received: from 173.48.104.62 (HELO ?10.2.2.1?) (173.48.104.62) by relay00.pair.com with SMTP; 18 May 2013 15:58:32 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 173.48.104.62 Message-ID: <5197A526.7020302@sneakertech.com> Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 11:58:30 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Daneliuk Subject: Re: check variable content size in sh script References: <5194F65F.6080503@a1poweruser.com> <5194FB0A.9090400@tundraware.com> <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201F4D41F@ltcfiswmsgmb26> <5197998E.6050200@sneakertech.com> <51979A8B.8080703@tundraware.com> In-Reply-To: <51979A8B.8080703@tundraware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Devin Teske , "Teske, Devin" , "" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 15:58:34 -0000 >> newfoo=${foo:0:51} >> > > That works for bash, not sh. Ok granted, but I don't think that ${#foo} is straight sh either, so I assumed "things bash/tcsh/ksh/whatever accept when running in sh emulation" were ok. ______________________________________ it has a certain smooth-brained appeal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 16:03:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92BF11F; Sat, 18 May 2013 16:03:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from ozzie.tundraware.com (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81478827; Sat, 18 May 2013 16:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.78.37.23] (mobile-166-147-101-236.mycingular.net [166.147.101.236]) (authenticated bits=0) by ozzie.tundraware.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r4IG34Ut077261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 18 May 2013 11:03:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) From: Tim Daneliuk To: Quartz Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 11:03:05 -0500 Message-ID: <13eb861326a.27b7.0b331fcf0b21179f1640bd439e3f4a1e@tundraware.com> In-Reply-To: <5197A526.7020302@sneakertech.com> References: <5194F65F.6080503@a1poweruser.com> <5194FB0A.9090400@tundraware.com> <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201F4D41F@ltcfiswmsgmb26> <5197998E.6050200@sneakertech.com> <51979A8B.8080703@tundraware.com> <5197A526.7020302@sneakertech.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 AquaMail/1.2.4.0 (build: 2100294) Subject: Re: check variable content size in sh script MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]); Sat, 18 May 2013 11:03:08 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: r4IG34Ut077261 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Devin Teske , "Teske, Devin" , "" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 16:03:33 -0000 #foo works with sh On May 18, 2013 10:58:30 AM Quartz wrote: > > >> newfoo=${foo:0:51} > >> > > > > That works for bash, not sh. > > Ok granted, but I don't think that ${#foo} is straight sh either, so I > assumed "things bash/tcsh/ksh/whatever accept when running in sh emulation" > were ok. > > ______________________________________ > it has a certain smooth-brained appeal > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 16:06:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B20228 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 16:06:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7E6849 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 16:06:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-6-62.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.6.62]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8E93D379 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 18:06:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r4IG6Yxa002408 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 18:06:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 18:06:34 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: check variable content size in sh script Message-Id: <20130518180634.9e5fd3c2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5197A526.7020302@sneakertech.com> References: <5194F65F.6080503@a1poweruser.com> <5194FB0A.9090400@tundraware.com> <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201F4D41F@ltcfiswmsgmb26> <5197998E.6050200@sneakertech.com> <51979A8B.8080703@tundraware.com> <5197A526.7020302@sneakertech.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 16:06:32 -0000 On Sat, 18 May 2013 11:58:30 -0400, Quartz wrote: > > >> newfoo=${foo:0:51} > >> > > > > That works for bash, not sh. > > Ok granted, but I don't think that ${#foo} is straight sh either, so I > assumed "things bash/tcsh/ksh/whatever accept when running in sh > emulation" were ok. By default, there is no bash on FreeBSD, and therefor no emulation and "implicit features". :-) At least FreeBSD's implementation of sh (which is ash, I think) supports the # functionality. From "man sh": ${#parameter} String Length. The length in characters of the value of parameter. And: ${parameter#word} Remove Smallest Prefix Pattern. The word is expanded to produce a pattern. The parameter expansion then results in parameter, with the smallest portion of the prefix matched by the pattern deleted. Check the chapter "Parameter Expansion" for more surprising things that are supported by ye olde /bin/sh. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 17:05:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C4C94E for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 17:05:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@pki2.com) Received: from btw.pki2.com (btw.pki2.com [IPv6:2001:470:a:6fd::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4579BB for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 17:05:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by btw.pki2.com (8.14.6/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r4IH4x3u033928 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 10:04:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@pki2.com) Subject: Graphics card differences between CentOS and FBSD (multi monitor)? From: Dennis Glatting To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 10:04:59 -0700 Message-ID: <1368896699.16472.14.camel@btw.pki2.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-yoursite-MailScanner-Information: Dennis Glatting X-yoursite-MailScanner-ID: r4IH4x3u033928 X-yoursite-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: freebsd@pki2.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 17:05:12 -0000 I have a graphics card that behaves differently under CentOS 6.4 and FreeBSD 9.1. Specifically, it is an older card (Spapphire with a ATI chip set) where I have a multi-monitor set up but under CentOS the monitors come up as expected but under FreeBSD there is some kind of weird video-line overlap across the monitors. As far as I can tell the xorg.conf is similar but the X code under CentOS is versions ahead of FBSD even with WITH_NEW_XORG defined but I suspect that isn't the real problem though hand patching the code does have some impact. It also appears the FBSD kernel is lacking in some areas but I'm unsure (and doubt) that is the real problem. What should I be looking at in terms of configuration/code/etc such that multi-monitor behave as expected under FBSD? Also, I need to update some cards and I'm looking for a up-to-date card that supports multi-monitor under FreeBSD. Most of my cards are old but work well however I now have "purchasing criteria" (i.e., have to purchase new and from a supported supplier, not used from Amazon or eBay). Any recommended multi-monitor card you know works? 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Be aware that Windows up through XP doesn't > support ahci, so if you're dual booting an old system you'll have > problems. You'll also almost certainly want to disable any > motherboard-based raid options too, as they tend to be complete crap. There is a huge amount of information via a quick Google search that would seem to contradict your statements regarding WinXP and AHCI. http://expertester.wordpress.com/2008/07/27/how-to-enable-ahci-windows-xp/ http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_xp-hardware/how-do-i-change-windows-xp-to-use-ahci-disk-mode/7819a905-cfd9-4966-b2aa-67afc80a31d8 -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 17:13:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F2BBEA for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 17:13:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@pki2.com) Received: from btw.pki2.com (btw.pki2.com [IPv6:2001:470:a:6fd::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF282A10 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 17:13:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by btw.pki2.com (8.14.6/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r4IHD8UG037681 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 10:13:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@pki2.com) Subject: More than 32 CPUs under 8.4-P From: Dennis Glatting To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 10:13:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1368897188.16472.19.camel@btw.pki2.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-yoursite-MailScanner-Information: Dennis Glatting X-yoursite-MailScanner-ID: r4IHD8UG037681 X-yoursite-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: freebsd@pki2.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 17:13:22 -0000 I have a 4x16=64 core server running FreeBSD 8.4-P but only two of the CPUs (2x16=32) are enabled. Enabling the other 32 isn't as simple as changing MAXCPU in param.h (apparently) and recompiling. What do I need to do to enable the other 32 cores? Copyright (c) 1992-2013 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 8.4-PRERELEASE #0 r250401: Wed May 8 21:46:23 PDT 2013 root@mc:/disk-2/obj/disk-1/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 gcc version 4.2.1 20070831 patched [FreeBSD] Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: AMD Opteron(TM) Processor 6274 (2200.04-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x600f12 Family = 15 Model = 1 Stepping = 2 Features=0x178bfbff Features2=0x1e98220b AMD Features=0x2e500800 AMD Features2=0x1c9bfff,> TSC: P-state invariant real memory = 137438953472 (131072 MB) avail memory = 132427862016 (126293 MB) ACPI APIC Table: <120911 APIC1027> FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 32 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: 2 package(s) x 16 core(s) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 17:24:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 899F9D85 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 17:24:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fidaj@ukr.net) Received: from fsm1.ukr.net (fsm1.ukr.net [195.214.192.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412BCA64 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 17:24:44 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ukr.net; s=fsm; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=cQDiiQ8aHN+IkhbUxBfKDTqK8dnZh8olLXv8FvE6wys=; b=BAFa8a2OEwyj3+FeezIFey0akf9SG1YceivPmsX1PG/U4CQItEhZ/tUYlu6Wu/mCOwfemg0ccHrZSsyYVqBk4T2IyR+MlfZypbOGvUqmU1mVrFM9M1XPPCh52n6y03O4cokFkXro2E1Zc3DSn58zaU5AwoQKNcMy3hwKhbWTWL8=; Received: from [178.137.138.140] (helo=nonamehost.local) by fsm1.ukr.net with esmtpsa ID 1Udks4-0005ET-E0 ; Sat, 18 May 2013 20:24:40 +0300 Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 20:24:38 +0300 From: Ivan Klymenko To: Dennis Glatting Subject: Re: More than 32 CPUs under 8.4-P Message-ID: <20130518202438.37f19554@nonamehost.local> In-Reply-To: <1368897188.16472.19.camel@btw.pki2.com> References: <1368897188.16472.19.camel@btw.pki2.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.17; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 17:24:45 -0000 =D0=92 Sat, 18 May 2013 10:13:08 -0700 Dennis Glatting =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: >=20 > I have a 4x16=3D64 core server running FreeBSD 8.4-P but only two of the > CPUs (2x16=3D32) are enabled. Enabling the other 32 isn't as simple as > changing MAXCPU in param.h (apparently) and recompiling. Oops, sorry :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 17:36:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AAA513D for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 17:36:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@pki2.com) Received: from btw.pki2.com (btw.pki2.com [IPv6:2001:470:a:6fd::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 653ADAA2 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 17:36:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by btw.pki2.com (8.14.6/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r4IHaSNb046942; Sat, 18 May 2013 10:36:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@pki2.com) Subject: Re: More than 32 CPUs under 8.4-P From: Dennis Glatting To: Ivan Klymenko In-Reply-To: <20130518202438.37f19554@nonamehost.local> References: <1368897188.16472.19.camel@btw.pki2.com> <20130518202438.37f19554@nonamehost.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 10:36:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1368898588.16472.22.camel@btw.pki2.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-yoursite-MailScanner-Information: Dennis Glatting X-yoursite-MailScanner-ID: r4IHaSNb046942 X-yoursite-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: freebsd@pki2.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 17:36:41 -0000 On Sat, 2013-05-18 at 20:24 +0300, Ivan Klymenko wrote: > ÷ Sat, 18 May 2013 10:13:08 -0700 > Dennis Glatting ÐÉÛÅÔ: > > > > > I have a 4x16=64 core server running FreeBSD 8.4-P but only two of the > > CPUs (2x16=32) are enabled. Enabling the other 32 isn't as simple as > > changing MAXCPU in param.h (apparently) and recompiling. > > Oops, sorry :) > In the boot sequence the kernel (loop) kept printing errors to the console and didn't get to a command prompt. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 19:54:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 329B4795 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 19:54:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fidaj@ukr.net) Received: from fsm2.ukr.net (fsm2.ukr.net [195.214.192.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5B87D for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 19:54:00 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ukr.net; s=fsm; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=OCy8YhoQONXbq0F8ezJXyM3mCoR673xzHw5BsRs+56g=; b=pR5rhmgE678aIZ9tJJIIwrz3wTYkpc+L+eD5lF4X0CVKHxj8uRlh/TxzEM3rXPEoF4SXXDS/Mi79RGszGGMTXSbAkBg0OQMVg0JDWsJmmJixzRJhI/RPBnaR8YbSoAgv2kq2pzPp05cw9+D0TeFp0BXe2ay+lSO9PBnLm4uArBA=; Received: from [178.137.138.140] (helo=nonamehost.local) by fsm2.ukr.net with esmtpsa ID 1Udkps-000NRi-FX ; Sat, 18 May 2013 20:22:24 +0300 Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 20:22:22 +0300 From: Ivan Klymenko To: Dennis Glatting Subject: Re: More than 32 CPUs under 8.4-P Message-ID: <20130518202222.1d136580@nonamehost.local> In-Reply-To: <1368897188.16472.19.camel@btw.pki2.com> References: <1368897188.16472.19.camel@btw.pki2.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.17; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 19:54:01 -0000 =D0=92 Sat, 18 May 2013 10:13:08 -0700 Dennis Glatting =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: >=20 > I have a 4x16=3D64 core server running FreeBSD 8.4-P but only two of the > CPUs (2x16=3D32) are enabled. Enabling the other 32 isn't as simple as > changing MAXCPU in param.h (apparently) and recompiling. >=20 > What do I need to do to enable the other 32 cores? >=20 >=20 > Copyright (c) 1992-2013 The FreeBSD Project. > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, > 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights > reserved. > FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. > FreeBSD 8.4-PRERELEASE #0 r250401: Wed May 8 21:46:23 PDT 2013 > root@mc:/disk-2/obj/disk-1/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > gcc version 4.2.1 20070831 patched [FreeBSD] > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 > CPU: AMD Opteron(TM) Processor 6274 (2200.04-MHz > K8-class CPU) > Origin =3D "AuthenticAMD" Id =3D 0x600f12 Family =3D 15 Model =3D 1 > Stepping =3D 2 >=20 > Features=3D0x178bfbff >=20 > Features2=3D0x1e98220b > AMD Features=3D0x2e500800 > AMD > Features2=3D0x1c9bfff,> > TSC: P-state invariant > real memory =3D 137438953472 (131072 MB) > avail memory =3D 132427862016 (126293 MB) > ACPI APIC Table: <120911 APIC1027> > FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 32 CPUs > FreeBSD/SMP: 2 package(s) x 16 core(s) >=20 http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/sys/amd64/include/param.h?revisio= n=3D248810&view=3Dmarkup Set MAXCPU parameter to 64 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 20:03:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8CB1CA9 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 20:03:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADFA1100 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 20:03:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD133AE4A; Sat, 18 May 2013 13:03:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: Quartz Subject: Re: Hot Swapping SATA drive? In-Reply-To: <519794E9.6080500@sneakertech.com> Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 13:03:32 -0700 Message-ID: <70509.1368907412@server1.tristatelogic.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 20:03:42 -0000 In message <519794E9.6080500@sneakertech.com>, Quartz wrote: >> 3) Assuming that I want to do this stuff, what BIOS options should I >> be setting or unsetting on the motherboard? > >You need the sata ports running in straight up pure ahci mode (as >opposed to "IDE mode" or "compatible" or something that emulates old >style parallel-ata). OK. Thanks Quartz,. I'll make it a point to check for that. >Be aware that Windows up through XP doesn't support ... No worries. The system in question is only running FreeBSD. Someday soon it may be running debian, but *never* will it be running windoze. >You'll also almost certainly want to disable any motherboard-based raid >options too, as they tend to be complete crap. OK. I never use RAID in any form anyway, so it probably is already disabled, but I'll make a point to double check. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 23:20:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA42C5 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 23:20:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from relay01.pair.com (relay01.pair.com [209.68.5.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6172C90E for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 23:20:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 91290 invoked by uid 0); 18 May 2013 23:20:23 -0000 Received: from 173.48.104.62 (HELO ?10.2.2.1?) (173.48.104.62) by relay01.pair.com with SMTP; 18 May 2013 23:20:23 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 173.48.104.62 Message-ID: <51980CB5.8000305@sneakertech.com> Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 19:20:21 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Hot Swapping SATA drive? References: <70509.1368907412@server1.tristatelogic.com> In-Reply-To: <70509.1368907412@server1.tristatelogic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 23:20:25 -0000 >> You need the sata ports running in straight up pure ahci mode (as >> opposed to "IDE mode" or "compatible" or something that emulates old >> style parallel-ata). > > OK. Thanks Quartz,. I'll make it a point to check for that. The wording on different bios' can often be confusing. I've seen ahci mode referred to on one board as "native mode" but on a different system it's referred to as "enhanced" (where "normal" is emulation), and other oddisims. Double check your mobo manual and find the chapter that talks about it. >> You'll also almost certainly want to disable any motherboard-based raid >> options too, as they tend to be complete crap. > > OK. I never use RAID in any form anyway, so it probably is already > disabled, but I'll make a point to double check. A word of warning: Not all boards do things *right*, so it pays to test. I've encountered systems where you get gpt checksum errors and stuff when ahci is on because the board masks part of the drive for its fake-raid stuff even if you have fake-raid supposedly turned off. ______________________________________ it has a certain smooth-brained appeal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 23:29:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545ED2C3 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 23:29:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B4AD956 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 23:29:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.16]) by ltcfislmsgpa01.fnfis.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r4INTkDB024757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sat, 18 May 2013 18:29:46 -0500 Received: from LTCFISWMSGMB26.FNFIS.com ([10.132.99.18]) by LTCFISWMSGHT05.FNFIS.com ([10.132.206.16]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Sat, 18 May 2013 18:29:45 -0500 From: "Teske, Devin" To: Joe Subject: Re: netgraph network setup for jail(8) vnet jails. Thread-Topic: netgraph network setup for jail(8) vnet jails. Thread-Index: AQHOU93CBuO69ayRZkOyIHdwpxatO5kL6zyA Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 23:29:45 +0000 Message-ID: <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201F5076A@ltcfiswmsgmb26> References: <5197A06A.9080401@a1poweruser.com> In-Reply-To: <5197A06A.9080401@a1poweruser.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.132.253.126] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626, 1.0.431, 0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-18_08:2013-05-17,2013-05-18,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: "" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Devin Teske List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 23:29:56 -0000 Sorry for top-post, but just wanted to add a quick note: The output of "ngctl dot" would be very helpful to others in debugging your= setup. --=20 Devin On May 18, 2013, at 8:38 AM, Joe wrote: > Hello list >=20 > I cant get to the internet using this netgraph setup script. > I sure would appreciate giving this console log a look over for > errors. My netgraph knowledge level is not sufficient to see what is > wrong. The goal is to run this script to setup and break down a netgraph > network for a single vnet jail at a time. rl0 is the real nic interface > device name of the nic facing the internet. This box is on my lan and > the gateway box does NAT for all lan boxes. The host running this script = can ping the internet ok. >=20 > Thank you very much for your help. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > The host's kernel has modules with vimage & ipfw compiled in. >=20 > From the host > # /root >ifconfig > rl0: flags=3D8843 metric 0 mtu > options=3D2008 > ether 00:0c:6e:09:8b:74 > inet 10.0.10.5 netmask 0xfffffff8 broadcast 10.0.10.7 > nd6 options=3D29 > media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) > status: active > plip0: flags=3D8810 metric 0 mtu 1500 > nd6 options=3D29 > ipfw0: flags=3D8801 metric 0 mtu 65536 > nd6 options=3D29 > lo0: flags=3D8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 > options=3D600003 > inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 > inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x8 > inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 > nd6 options=3D21 >=20 > The jails config file > # /root >cat /usr/local/etc/vnet/vdir4 > vdir4 { > host.hostname =3D "vdir4"; > path =3D "/usr/jails/vdir4"; > mount.fstab =3D "/usr/local/etc/fstab/vdir4"; > vnet; > persist; > } >=20 > The netgraph script > # /root >cat /usr/local/bin/vnet.ng.test > #!/bin/sh > # snip comments for displaying here > # This script is based on this /usr/share/examples/netgraph/virtual.lan >=20 > # Give the name of ethernet interface. > ETHER_INTF=3D"rl0" >=20 > # List the names of virtual nodes and their IP addresses. Use ':' > # character to separate node name from node IP address and netmask. >=20 > #TARGET_TOPOLOGY=3D"c1|10.0.2.20/24 c2|10.0.2.21/24 c3|10.0.2.22/24" > TARGET_TOPOLOGY=3D"vdir4|10.0.2.20/24" >=20 > # MAC manufacturer prefix. This can be modified according to needs. > MAC_PREFIX=3D"00:1d:92" >=20 > # Temporary file is important for proper execution of script. > TEMP_FILE=3D"/var/tmp/virtual.lan.tmp" >=20 > virtual_lan_start() { >=20 > # Load netgraph KLD's as necessary. >=20 > for KLD in ng_ether ng_bridge ng_eiface; do > if ! kldstat -v | grep -qw ${KLD}; then > echo -n "Loading ${KLD}.ko... " > kldload ${KLD} || exit 1 > echo "done" > fi > done >=20 > # Reset all interfaces and jails. If temporary file can not be found > # script assumes that there is no previous configuration. >=20 > if [ ! -e ${TEMP_FILE} ]; then > echo "No previous configuration(${TEMP_FILE}) found to clean-up." > else > echo -n "Cleaning previous configuration..." > virtual_lan_stop > echo "done" > fi >=20 > # Create temporary file for usage. This file includes generated > # interface names and jail names. All bridges, interfaces and jails > # are written to file while created. In clean-up process written > # objects are cleaned (i.e. removed) from system. >=20 > if [ -e ${TEMP_FILE} ]; then > touch ${TEMP_FILE} > fi >=20 > echo -n "Verifying ethernet interface existence..." > # Verify ethernet interface exist. > if ! ngctl info ${ETHER_INTF}: >/dev/null 2>&1; then > echo "Error: interface ${ETHER_INTF} does not exist" > exit 1 > fi >=20 > ifconfig ${ETHER_INTF} up || exit 1 > echo "done" >=20 > # Get current number of bridge interfaces in the system. This number > # is used to create a name for new bridge. > BRIDGE_COUNT=3D`ngctl l | grep bridge | wc -l | sed -e "s/ //g"` > BRIDGE_NAME=3D"bridge${BRIDGE_COUNT}" >=20 > # Create new ng_bridge(4) node and attach it to the ethernet interface. > # Connect ng_ether:lower hook to bridge:link0 when creating bridge and > # connect ng_ether:upper hook to bridge:link1 after bridge name is set. >=20 > echo "Creating bridge interface: ${BRIDGE_NAME}..." > ngctl mkpeer ${ETHER_INTF}: bridge lower link0 || exit 1 > ngctl name ${ETHER_INTF}:lower ${BRIDGE_NAME} || exit 1 > ngctl connect ${ETHER_INTF}: ${BRIDGE_NAME}: upper link1 || exit 1 > echo "Bridge ${BRIDGE_NAME} is created and ${ETHER_INTF} is connected." >=20 > # In the above code block two hooks are connected to bridge interface, > # therefore LINKNUM is set to 2 indicating total number of connected > # hooks on the bridge interface. > LINKNUM=3D2 >=20 > # Write name of the bridge to temp file. Clean-up procedure will use > # this name to shutdown bridge interface. > echo "bridge ${BRIDGE_NAME}" > ${TEMP_FILE} >=20 >=20 > # Attach vnet jail. > for NODE in ${TARGET_TOPOLOGY}; do >=20 > # Virtual nodes are defined in TARGET_TOPOLOGY variable. They > # have the form of 'nodeName|IPaddr'. Below two lines split > # node definition to get node name and node IP. >=20 > NODE_NAME=3D`echo ${NODE} | awk -F"|" '{print $1}'` > NODE_IP=3D`echo ${NODE} | awk -F"|" '{print $2}'` >=20 > # Create virtual node (jail) with given name > echo -n "Creating virtual node (jail) ${NODE_NAME}..." >=20 > jail -f "/usr/local/etc/vnet/${NODE_NAME}" -c ${NODE_NAME} > if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then > echo "Error: /usr/sbin/jail failed to start jail ${NODE_NAME}." > virtual_lan_stop > exit 2 > fi > echo "done" >=20 > # Write name of the jail to temp file. Clean-up procedure will > # use this name to remove jail. >=20 > echo "node ${NODE_NAME}" >> ${TEMP_FILE} >=20 > # Create a ng_eiface object for virtual node. ng_eiface > # object has a hook that can be connected to one of bridge > # links. After creating interface get its automatically > # generated name for further usage. >=20 > echo "Creating eiface interface for virtual node ${NODE_NAME}." > ngctl mkpeer eiface ether ether > EIFACE=3D`ngctl l | grep ngeth | tail -n 1| awk '{print $2}'` > echo "Interface ${EIFACE} is created." >=20 > # Write name of the interface to temp file. Clean-up procedure > # will use this name to shutdown interface. >=20 > echo "interface ${EIFACE}" >> ${TEMP_FILE} >=20 > # Move virtual interface to virtual node. Note that Interface > # name will not be changed at the end of this movement. Moved > # interface can be seen at the output of ifconfig command in > # jail: 'jexec jailname ifconfig' >=20 > echo "Moving ${EIFACE} to ${NODE_NAME}" > ifconfig ${EIFACE} vnet ${NODE_NAME} >=20 > # Make lo0 interface localhost. > jexec ${NODE_NAME} ifconfig lo0 localhost >=20 > # Generate a random mac address for virtual interface. First > # three octets can be changed by user. Last three octets are > # generated randomly. > M4=3D`od -An -N2 -i /dev/random | sed -e 's/ //g' | \ > awk '{ print $1 % 256 }'` > M5=3D`od -An -N2 -i /dev/random | sed -e 's/ //g' | \ > awk '{ print $1 % 256 }'` > M6=3D`od -An -N2 -i /dev/random | sed -e 's/ //g' | \ > awk '{ print $1 % 256 }'` >=20 > MAC=3D`printf ${MAC_PREFIX}:%02x:%02x:%02x ${M4} ${M5} ${M6}` >=20 > # Set the link address (mac address) of virtual interface in > # virtual node to randomly generated MAC. > echo "Setting MAC address of ${EIFACE} to '${MAC}'" > jexec ${NODE_NAME} ifconfig ${EIFACE} link $MAC >=20 > # Either IPv4 or IPv6 can be used in this script. Ifconfig > # IP setting syntax differs slightly for two IP versions. > # For version 4 'inet' keyword is used whereas for version 6 > # 'inet6' is used. Below line tries to decide which IP version > # is given and sets IPVER to 'inet' or 'inet6'. >=20 > IPVER=3D`echo ${NODE_IP} | awk -F"." '{ split($4,last,"/"); \ > if( NF=3D=3D4 && $1>0 && $1<256 && $2<256 && $3<256 && \ > last[1]<256) print "inet"; else print "inet6"}'` >=20 > # Set IP address of virtual interface in virtual node. > echo "Setting IP address of ${EIFACE} to '${NODE_IP}'" > jexec ${NODE_NAME} ifconfig ${EIFACE} ${IPVER} ${NODE_IP} >=20 > # Connect virtual interface to bridge interface. Syntax is : > # ngctl connect INTERFACE: BRIDGE: INTERFACE_HOOK EMPTY_LINK. > # Interface has one hook named 'ether' and below line connects > # ether hook to bridge's first unconnected link. >=20 > echo -n "Connecting ${EIFACE}:ether to ${BRIDGE_NAME}:link${LINKNUM}..." >=20 > ngctl connect ${EIFACE}: ${BRIDGE_NAME}: ether link${LINKNUM} \ > || exit 1 > echo "done" >=20 > # Now, bridge has one more connected link thus link count is > # incremented. > LINKNUM=3D`expr ${LINKNUM} + 1` > done > echo "Virtual LAN established successfully!" >=20 > } >=20 >=20 > # Stop routine. > virtual_lan_stop() { >=20 > if [ ! -e ${TEMP_FILE} ]; then > echo "Nothing to stop! ${TEMP_FILE}: temp file not found" > else > echo -n "Shutdown bridge interface.." > OBJECTS=3D`cat ${TEMP_FILE} | grep bridge | awk '{print $2}'` > for BRIDGE in ${OBJECTS}; do > ngctl shutdown ${BRIDGE}: >/dev/null 2>&1 > done > echo "done" >=20 > echo -n "Shutdown all eiface interfaces..." > OBJECTS=3D`cat ${TEMP_FILE} | grep interface | awk '{print $2}'` > for INTERFACE in ${OBJECTS}; do > ngctl shutdown ${INTERFACE}: >/dev/null 2>&1 > done > echo "done" >=20 > echo -n "Removing all jails..." > OBJECTS=3D`cat ${TEMP_FILE} | grep node | awk '{print $2}'` > for NODE in ${OBJECTS}; do > jail -f "/usr/local/etc/vnet/${NODE}" -r ${NODE} > done > echo "done" >=20 > echo "Removing tempfile ${TEMP_FILE}" > rm ${TEMP_FILE} > fi > echo "Virtual LAN objects removed successfully!" >=20 > } >=20 >=20 > # Main entry point. >=20 > case $# in > 1) > case $1 in > start) > echo -n "Creating default target topology:" > echo " ${TARGET_TOPOLOGY}" > virtual_lan_start > ;; > stop) >=20 > if [ ! -e ${TEMP_FILE} ]; then > echo -n "Noting to stop! ${TEMP_FILE}:" > echo " temp file not found" > else > virtual_lan_stop > fi > ;; > help) > virtual_lan_usage > exit 1 > ;; > *) > virtual_lan_usage > exit 1 >=20 > esac > ;; > 2) > case $1 in > start) > TARGET_TOPOLOGY=3D$2 > echo -n "Creating target topology:" > echo "${TARGET_TOPOLOGY}" > virtual_lan_start > ;; > *) > virtual_lan_usage > exit 1 > esac > ;; >=20 > *) > virtual_lan_usage > exit 1 > esac >=20 >=20 > # /root >vnet.ng.test start > Creating default target topology: vdir4|10.0.2.20/24 > Loading ng_ether.ko... done > Loading ng_bridge.ko... done > Loading ng_eiface.ko... done > No previous configuration(/var/tmp/virtual.lan.tmp) found to clean-up. > Verifying ethernet interface existence...done > Creating bridge interface: bridge0... > Bridge bridge0 is created and rl0 is connected. > Creating virtual node (jail) vdir4...vdir4: created > done > Creating eiface interface for virtual node vdir4. > Interface ngeth0 is created. > Moving ngeth0 to vdir4 > Setting MAC address of ngeth0 to '00:1d:92:df:92:8e' > Setting IP address of ngeth0 to '10.0.2.20/24' > Connecting ngeth0:ether to bridge0:link2...done > Virtual LAN established successfully! >=20 >=20 > # /root >ngctl ls -l > There are 5 total nodes: > Name: rl0 Type: ether ID: 00000001 Num hooks: 2 > Local hook Peer name Peer type Peer ID Peer > hook > ---------- --------- --------- ------- > --------- > upper bridge0 bridge 00000006 link1 >=20 > lower bridge0 bridge 00000006 link0 >=20 > Name: ipfw0 Type: ether ID: 00000002 Num hooks: 0 > Name: bridge0 Type: bridge ID: 00000006 Num hooks: 3 > Local hook Peer name Peer type Peer ID Peer > hook > ---------- --------- --------- ------- > --------- > link2 ngeth0 eiface 0000000a ether >=20 > link1 rl0 ether 00000001 upper >=20 > link0 rl0 ether 00000001 lower >=20 > Name: ngeth0 Type: eiface ID: 0000000a Num hooks: 1 > Local hook Peer name Peer type Peer ID Peer > hook > ---------- --------- --------- ------- > --------- > ether bridge0 bridge 00000006 link2 >=20 > Name: ngctl1513 Type: socket ID: 0000000d Num hooks: 0 >=20 >=20 > # /root >jexec vdir4 tcsh > vdir4 / >ping -c 1 8.8.178.135 > PING 8.8.178.135 (8.8.178.135): 56 data bytes > ping: sendto: No route to host >=20 > --- 8.8.178.135 ping statistics --- > 1 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100.0% packet loss > vdir4 / >exit > exit >=20 >=20 > # /root >vnet.ng.test stop > Shutdown bridge interface..done > Shutdown all eiface interfaces...done > Removing all jails...vdir4: removed > done > Removing tempfile /var/tmp/virtual.lan.tmp > Virtual LAN objects removed successfully! >=20 > # /root >jls > JID IP Address Hostname Path >=20 > # /root >ngctl ls -l > There are 3 total nodes: > Name: ngctl1540 Type: socket ID: 00000010 Num hooks: 0 > Name: rl0 Type: ether ID: 00000001 Num hooks: 0 > Name: ipfw0 Type: ether ID: 00000002 Num hooks: 0 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. 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(173.48.104.62) by relay02.pair.com with SMTP; 18 May 2013 23:27:13 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 173.48.104.62 Message-ID: <51980E50.5030003@sneakertech.com> Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 19:27:12 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Hot Swapping SATA drive? References: <26657.1368506242@server1.tristatelogic.com> <519794E9.6080500@sneakertech.com> <20130518130909.6ca0dd44@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20130518130909.6ca0dd44@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jerry X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 23:33:55 -0000 >Be aware that Windows up through XP doesn't >> support ahci, > There is a huge amount of information via a quick Google search that > would seem to contradict your statements regarding WinXP and AHCI. Sorry, poor choice of wording. I meant earlier versions of Windows don't support achi *natively*. As your links suggest, you can sometimes find that your manufacturer will provide a driver that lets you fake out WinXP into being ok with your board's implementation of ahci (usually by emulating SCSI), but it's not a universal solution. ______________________________________ it has a certain smooth-brained appeal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 23:41:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3563368D for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 23:41:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03CFC9AB for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 23:41:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.15]) by ltcfislmsgpa05.fnfis.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r4INfbb5032274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sat, 18 May 2013 18:41:37 -0500 Received: from LTCFISWMSGMB26.FNFIS.com ([10.132.99.18]) by LTCFISWMSGHT04.FNFIS.com ([10.132.206.15]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Sat, 18 May 2013 18:41:36 -0500 From: "Teske, Devin" To: Polytropon Subject: Re: check variable content size in sh script Thread-Topic: check variable content size in sh script Thread-Index: AQHOUkc8OBFwBehJxk+zMS+kIvSMRZkIQzQAgAAKzgCAAxSDAIAAAS6AgAAMpACAAAJBAIAAfyMA Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 23:41:36 +0000 Message-ID: <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201F507DD@ltcfiswmsgmb26> References: <5194F65F.6080503@a1poweruser.com> <5194FB0A.9090400@tundraware.com> <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201F4D41F@ltcfiswmsgmb26> <5197998E.6050200@sneakertech.com> <51979A8B.8080703@tundraware.com> <5197A526.7020302@sneakertech.com> <20130518180634.9e5fd3c2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20130518180634.9e5fd3c2.freebsd@edvax.de> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.132.253.126] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <7E1DE0B5244A2B488B539DBCF223E229@fisglobal.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626, 1.0.431, 0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-18_08:2013-05-17,2013-05-18,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: FreeBSD Questions , "Teske, Devin" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Devin Teske List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 23:41:41 -0000 On May 18, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 18 May 2013 11:58:30 -0400, Quartz wrote: >>=20 >>>> newfoo=3D${foo:0:51} >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> That works for bash, not sh. >>=20 >> Ok granted, but I don't think that ${#foo} is straight sh either, so I=20 >> assumed "things bash/tcsh/ksh/whatever accept when running in sh=20 >> emulation" were ok. >=20 > By default, there is no bash on FreeBSD, and therefor no emulation > and "implicit features". :-) >=20 > At least FreeBSD's implementation of sh (which is ash, I think) dash actually -- the Debian Almquist shell (descendent of NetBSD's ash). --=20 Devin > supports the # functionality. From "man sh": >=20 > ${#parameter} > String Length. The length in characters of the value of > parameter. >=20 > And: >=20 > ${parameter#word} > Remove Smallest Prefix Pattern. The word is expanded to prod= uce > a pattern. The parameter expansion then results in parameter, > with the smallest portion of the prefix matched by the pattern > deleted. >=20 > Check the chapter "Parameter Expansion" for more surprising > things that are supported by ye olde /bin/sh. :-) >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. 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(173.48.104.62) by relay02.pair.com with SMTP; 18 May 2013 23:54:16 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 173.48.104.62 Message-ID: <519814A7.8070702@sneakertech.com> Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 19:54:15 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: check variable content size in sh script References: <5194F65F.6080503@a1poweruser.com> <5194FB0A.9090400@tundraware.com> <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201F4D41F@ltcfiswmsgmb26> <5197998E.6050200@sneakertech.com> <51979A8B.8080703@tundraware.com> <5197A526.7020302@sneakertech.com> <20130518180634.9e5fd3c2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20130518180634.9e5fd3c2.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 23:54:18 -0000 >#foo works with sh Is it actually part of the official spec though is what I'm wondering, or is it a case of other shells not rejecting 'advanced' statements when running in emulation. > At least FreeBSD's implementation of sh (which is ash, I think) > supports the # functionality. The reason I say all this is that my copy of tcsh (on this not-freebsd machine) *doesn't* work with this when in sh emulation. ______________________________________ it has a certain smooth-brained appeal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 18 23:57:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3A7CB1 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 23:57:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mapsware@prodigy.net.mx) Received: from nlpiport16.prodigy.net.mx (nlpiport16.prodigy.net.mx [148.235.52.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0816A28 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 23:57:38 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvYMAJIUmFG9qlk9/2dsb2JhbABbgwgBunCHeBaDVIEOiQ8CnVKfbY8+gz4DiR+fWYMv X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,700,1363154400"; d="scan'208";a="288852405" Received: from nlpiport02.prodigy.net.mx ([148.235.52.117]) by nlpiport16.prodigy.net.mx with ESMTP; 18 May 2013 18:57:25 -0500 Received: from dsl-189-170-89-61-dyn.prod-infinitum.com.mx (HELO morena.lan) ([189.170.89.61]) by nlpiport02.prodigy.net.mx with ESMTP; 18 May 2013 18:57:24 -0500 From: Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Prevent starting network on fwe0 and fwip0 Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 16:57:31 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201305181657.31463.mapsware@prodigy.net.mx> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 23:57:39 -0000 Hi: How can I prevent the start of network on fwe0 and fwip0? fwe0: Ethernet over FireWire fwip0: IP over FireWire In /etc/rc.conf I added this line network_interfaces="lo0 fxp0 wpi0" But I still see that FreeBSD start fwe0 and fwip0 Starting Network: lo0 fxp0 wpi0 Starting Network: fwe0 Starting Network: fwip0 I also had networks on USB Starting Network: usbus0 Starting Network: usbus1 Starting Network: usbus2 Starting Network: usbus3 Starting Network: usbus4 But I added hw.usb.no_pf=1 To /boot/loader.conf file and FreeBSD didn't start the network in USB anymore Is there something similar for FireWire? I notice that the lines apear after DEVD is started Is there a trick for DEVD? TIA