From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 24 02:19:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2A02E95 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 02:19:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-x22b.google.com (mail-wi0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 623642770 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 02:19:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f171.google.com with SMTP id ca18so2223129wib.4 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 18:19:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zKhTMFVX5cbftNFohvmZDVVHvN0JGM0kDqVY/ULwt7E=; b=GRIFuJFqpnwtMoocAEmOdPSlD2u3AL9WCYZRpu2bUnGG9kzamqcm8RAB6lDuWvvHsP KIFrqXfVckuQVMPyHiKwbTpRQA1wGSZycKXeNpoexltJ+Sk0VnOvOHvM7TNiypPxzk4r lrvlbYVW95zoJKfAMuURSYL+6xAI8ADylcP6NXnXDNU29GEb739lOPr9WhIgzoEkrkT0 O01dxv+gO/lgE74NU4JW+P9LuUip5bCwvZ+cASQvGSLU2hIuRYPsnHWxKCdfHOSCKvhU mO7TKcKb2LTlbLsuQkSTY+L/T0P0D4bSjlE3ZDB6iN4NCYzMadeYhSR4hGaHNRJyNn4w 1Pag== X-Received: by 10.180.90.65 with SMTP id bu1mr8292998wib.15.1385259582442; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 18:19:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (89.Red-79-159-244.staticIP.rima-tde.net. [79.159.244.89]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id n6sm11814718wix.3.2013.11.23.18.19.41 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 23 Nov 2013 18:19:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 03:19:40 +0100 From: Daniel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pat=F3n?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Many thanks to Jason Bacon Message-Id: <20131124031940.c78cd86d27f21fa0a6115c57@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: paul.boersma@uva.nl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 02:19:44 -0000 Dear list: I want to thanks in public to Jason Bacon that in few hours ported the last= version of Praat (an excellent program for phonetics and bio-acoustic) to = FreeBSD. The software work in my laptop much better that the version of Deb= ian GNU Linux (my previous operating system). This is the first time that I= contact with a programmer and this has been incredible. I am absolutely su= rprised by the fast and the kind response of this person. Really the FreeBS= D community is great. Now I can continue with my bioacoustic research. Exce= llent !!! I send a copy of this mail to Paul Boersma, one of the authors of this exce= llent software. Regards --=20 ******************************************************** Daniel Pat=F3n Dom=EDnguez Numerical Ecology. Ecology Unit Department of Plant Biology, Ecology and Earth Sciences Faculty of Sciences. University of Extremadura Avda. Elvas s/n 06071 Badajoz (Spain) http://unex.academia.edu/DanielPatonDominguez https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Daniel_Paton/ http://sites.google.com/site/numericalecologyuex/home ******************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 24 05:02:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DDDF51BC for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 05:02:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-x233.google.com (mail-qa0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B3BE2E12 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 05:02:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id o15so6234482qap.10 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 21:02:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=L4Cvk9jl1EvZMJZtshCrCS4aq0GUrsu9+DRg7pDPjxI=; b=KXLoWGK/9cC9ilSa17Ktzs9DZh3XFueXC8u6fm5FCLvjT4TNn1aZJdNx5TaUwkq8Hg uy+bLFVAFFkzSZlzqfeyTs2Hij+F2yUxDRj+Hp8KxEJwP1bSi1CBimTTOHLGKzuAbhJJ wSynkE+ZNAfzXMedMrhvyZrC5BafL/hgk16jw6smz+7Kw0jECDbjouVAQqjA7/XELFHB Xb5QwbEw+9juj0BAzJip6zwdnlWYLxvrG2mv1c7xdwFZfzwZcXQbcQuQuABvVWZ166fp DSaoxBaHfNhS6axG9qhIhiRHsIviTsL6AJpLQP136ruTP9NN5YIPfYvEB9Vju/ZGdE6v A1ng== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.51.74 with SMTP id c10mr816276qag.7.1385269370789; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 21:02:50 -0800 (PST) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.224.207.66 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 21:02:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 21:02:50 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9ynYvGUPFQdu2bWZOAW94wP2-H0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Restart of wireless service creates crash in system From: Adrian Chadd To: Juris Kaminskis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 05:02:51 -0000 Hi, Ok, can you post the backtrace given in the .txt file? I'd like to see what path the kernel took before it landed here. Thanks! -a On 23 November 2013 12:54, Juris Kaminskis wrote: > I just realised that of course your initial request is out of date, due to > fact that I have rebuilt kernel since my initial error I posted. I am able > to repeat the error just by typing service netif restart and then I got new > instruction pointer. > > And this is the result of the code I get: > > (kgdb) list *0xc091ee26 > 0xc091ee26 is in node_getrssi (/usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_node.c:1068). > 1063 } > 1064 > 1065 static int8_t > 1066 node_getrssi(const struct ieee80211_node *ni) > 1067 { > 1068 uint32_t avgrssi = ni->ni_avgrssi; > 1069 int32_t rssi; > 1070 > 1071 if (avgrssi == IEEE80211_RSSI_DUMMY_MARKER) > 1072 return 0; > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 24 09:17:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DDDA283D; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 09:17:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-x22a.google.com (mail-we0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB7C727E2; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 09:17:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f170.google.com with SMTP id w61so2732217wes.29 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 01:17:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=6YXa3F2eadUq9vBI2qFsPS1+Qdp4rLhXXc9hWDnDQY0=; b=mpveIMoDQhe0gWBgNC7El41znX4CiVSFXhRDZU12kr15aISZCopF1ftVQmQnH37v9m HyOh2c/4Edj9bVjOz5Ab4EtNvDd9GBndixU8mgCt/Du3SF+cqPmrDBRmtougT7UZbUWE BN3DMAD9wXCiipd/GE4PB7VXh0ktDUmh0l+NHAhLLMF3SNCZdsB7urvIn/KsYIVvAXCC YN3kXX6AGTRu3A5/iMGNoHFMFdYl8tAMpIdEJEMcVbR8viRuhEI0duH027EWLtmz534+ 9Dfe+Xu8rmgiwzBDoHGX7Hf9gEF0Tb+FgegGMymxcuNXN8dz+2OWkCm2hQ4ryb8TxMKL yAwA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.187.72 with SMTP id fq8mr9311243wic.26.1385284674336; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 01:17:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.80.5 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 01:17:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.80.5 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 01:17:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:17:54 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Restart of wireless service creates crash in system From: Juris Kaminskis To: Adrian Chadd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-13 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.16 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 09:17:56 -0000 2013. gada 24. nov. 07:02, "Adrian Chadd" rakst=EEja: > > Hi, > > Ok, can you post the backtrace given in the .txt file? I don't know how to fetch backtrace, what command I should take? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 24 09:40:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51722448 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 09:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x22b.google.com (mail-la0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D772D2903 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 09:40:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f43.google.com with SMTP id n7so2168732lam.30 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 01:40:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lXkzn2aQeOI79TKIusqQRpP4m13UXEQzj5HYGisrbZI=; b=vnpdpHaOQNMpgC5gRk5Drcr8EQzhooIolSAofnwNWfL7oO0X2nGD9/3DJ502ks5tt8 GIfXnUjkoV1IUYp6D2HZi9vhr3xkNSdDaaf/A/JW1aqmhcbJgocIMcBg7PbBG3Su4eeD iermYkY9Y1n7+yU35ls3qpR7I6T/1qJEn3d1g8Ov9XTwaSKjJhL5ywenbaQDea09G3cq EKruU+fa8mzfMLrh64UqnMpELFjlvDgkH44RKmkfRSxvuaIth8KpBBYmSCq7axSpyi9V Ct4k8mim+jbCJopZiu6oa7kGY62RE44qVnkmo5rWw0BET7s0TO4KyTzckuc5AMAAxQG3 27tQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.20.227 with SMTP id q3mr78500lae.53.1385286052858; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 01:40:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.75.227 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 01:40:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:10:52 +0330 Message-ID: Subject: how "more" and "less" work together? From: s m To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.16 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 09:40:55 -0000 hello all i have freebsd9.2 and want to customize "more" functionality but i can not find any code for it; therefore i change the "less" code. now my question is how more and less work together?? i compiled my code and if i run less (which i change it) manually, it works fine, but more command doesn't use it. i put my less daemon is /usr/bin. any body knows how can i apply my changes to more command? how can i update more daemon (which is located in /usr/bin) in order to use the new less daemon? thanks in advance, SAM From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 24 10:04:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83D70BE3 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 10:04:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A89029EC for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 10:04:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-106-241.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.106.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F35F3278E0; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:04:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rAOA4UgE006516; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:04:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:04:30 +0100 From: Polytropon To: s m Subject: Re: how "more" and "less" work together? Message-Id: <20131124110430.5fe46515.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 10:04:52 -0000 On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:10:52 +0330, s m wrote: > i have freebsd9.2 and want to customize "more" functionality but i can not > find any code for it; therefore i change the "less" code. Because "more is less", both executables are generated from the same source code. In fact, those are the same binary, hardlinked. % which more less | xargs ls -l -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 118788 Aug 21 2011 /usr/bin/less -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 118788 Aug 21 2011 /usr/bin/more So there is no separate source code for "more". Similarly, zless, bzless, xzless, and lzless are "created". They're all the same shell script, refering to /usr/bin/less. > now my question is how more and less work together?? They don't. :-) > i compiled my code and > if i run less (which i change it) manually, it works fine, but more command > doesn't use it. i put my less daemon is /usr/bin. Make sure the hardlinks are created correctly. You can do that with the "make install" command in the system's source tree after applying your patch. See /usr/src/usr.bin/less/Makefile for details. > any body knows how can i apply my changes to more command? Change the source code directly in the proper /usr/src subdirectory or create a patch with a work copy. Then install it. > how can i update > more daemon (which is located in /usr/bin) in order to use the new less > daemon? As briefly explained. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 24 11:02:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4EA19FA7 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x233.google.com (mail-lb0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1BCA2BDE for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:02:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f179.google.com with SMTP id l4so2362215lbv.10 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 03:02:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=f6/1ZqcjtVqFnES2DchJ+0sWxTlLMN3UBBrnCzVMv1Q=; b=fHwEJHZYO4B+M6N3sCtXPu6Eir+ZluRbkP+DQL053PotPMbcas44mqJ0vy8PcN50sT yztjt3WgO14O060NIf8ELc9vjGZWqrp5izuHwokSgVyGp4KdnbUgHoD+zKQBWphWYLHU zAHHBm80G/6OHZpLOdI+2V4I21sQkmLOEZc3979UibnyUCTSk2VF9didX+qnuSSezTsD EW2mHuNmUf0J+fCS7+5QF+dy02a0Rb5QjeBiS3lFkNRlAh5JmMRl6a/e+RPgBosEzLyN 1V4HiO5ivMp/hlP4Pc0+CtXsrfSQ2DkG28jmNEG+rHEEh3UuJ53phr8bhb68dXxwwCIr Tj/w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.10.99 with SMTP id h3mr17973463lab.13.1385290956832; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 03:02:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.75.227 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 03:02:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20131124110430.5fe46515.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20131124110430.5fe46515.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 14:32:36 +0330 Message-ID: Subject: Re: how "more" and "less" work together? From: s m To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.16 Cc: freebsd-questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:02:39 -0000 oh yes, it work!!! thank you so much. i forgot to link more and less :| thank you very much for your quick help On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:10:52 +0330, s m wrote: > > i have freebsd9.2 and want to customize "more" functionality but i can > not > > find any code for it; therefore i change the "less" code. > > Because "more is less", both executables are generated from > the same source code. In fact, those are the same binary, > hardlinked. > > % which more less | xargs ls -l > -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 118788 Aug 21 2011 /usr/bin/less > -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 118788 Aug 21 2011 /usr/bin/more > > So there is no separate source code for "more". Similarly, > zless, bzless, xzless, and lzless are "created". They're > all the same shell script, refering to /usr/bin/less. > > > > > now my question is how more and less work together?? > > They don't. :-) > > > > > i compiled my code and > > if i run less (which i change it) manually, it works fine, but more > command > > doesn't use it. i put my less daemon is /usr/bin. > > Make sure the hardlinks are created correctly. You can do that > with the "make install" command in the system's source tree > after applying your patch. See /usr/src/usr.bin/less/Makefile > for details. > > > > > any body knows how can i apply my changes to more command? > > Change the source code directly in the proper /usr/src subdirectory > or create a patch with a work copy. Then install it. > > > > > how can i update > > more daemon (which is located in /usr/bin) in order to use the new less > > daemon? > > As briefly explained. :-) > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 24 11:35:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E5263E1 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:35:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8A912CFA for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-106-241.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.106.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07311277CD; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 12:35:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rAOBZLuu006922; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 12:35:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 12:35:21 +0100 From: Polytropon To: s m Subject: Re: how "more" and "less" work together? Message-Id: <20131124123521.79dcde9c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20131124110430.5fe46515.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:35:37 -0000 On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 14:32:36 +0330, s m wrote: > oh yes, it work!!! thank you so much. i forgot to link more and less :| > > thank you very much for your quick help You see: more is less. :-) Just as an additional note: /usr/src/usr.bin/less/Makefile.common defines the actual source source directory is /usr/src/contrib/less which is incorporated into the "normal" source directories. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 24 15:55:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A60DE345 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:55:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C91426F3 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:55:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.41]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 269D820C6F for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 10:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3 ([10.202.2.213]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 24 Nov 2013 10:55:06 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=message-id:from:to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:in-reply-to:references :subject:date; s=smtpout; bh=Yo/OFAbvUwRMc3qMXII+OWNibPs=; b=EB0 3GJzo/l6lAnzppNX53XCjAf8TEy580OZS0qoXkacDHkfrgki+aZqZyjlVNhc29Pz VdwTcrQ5dWi7m7PPYD8jopJbgCjJJ+QtOe1Fw/Ee4JK6rlZGU41nfKOR1hYAgEOn SZnzeC/yxn1HXf6mjPR8LK6wXDIlYQNMAtcudADM= Received: by web3.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix, from userid 99) id 05CCB11E6BF; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 10:55:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1385308505.4081.51434569.06A345C6@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: pOb4J+1+riJLYrk3fcfu3U3CDJwKlz1/Gi5d63oS9f5w 1385308505 From: Mark Felder To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-3f1150ec In-Reply-To: <20131124031940.c78cd86d27f21fa0a6115c57@gmail.com> References: <20131124031940.c78cd86d27f21fa0a6115c57@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Many thanks to Jason Bacon Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 09:55:05 -0600 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:55:16 -0000 On Sat, Nov 23, 2013, at 20:19, Daniel Pat=F3n wrote: > Dear list: >=20 > I want to thanks in public to Jason Bacon that in few hours ported the > last version of Praat (an excellent program for phonetics and > bio-acoustic) to FreeBSD. The software work in my laptop much better that > the version of Debian GNU Linux (my previous operating system). This is > the first time that I contact with a programmer and this has been > incredible. I am absolutely surprised by the fast and the kind response > of this person. Really the FreeBSD community is great. Now I can continue > with my bioacoustic research. Excellent !!! >=20 I'm genuinely curious why it works better for you on FreeBSD than Debian. Can you elaborate? I have no idea what this software does. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 24 15:56:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DCFF3E6 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:56:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5365F2709 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:56:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.43]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50C820CCE for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 10:56:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3 ([10.202.2.213]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 24 Nov 2013 10:56:45 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=message-id:from:to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to :references; s=smtpout; bh=Ck564w3lh+4ilvI3HnEKZFw/YpA=; b=HwZh/ 61LhbGe/UFUyxOwTRF0bA6fXItcV+hC0lC4zjhhgRkhsoQDGw0wsPbUsmGmpo9iN qXt9/QJDlGxKAf8G00a5ABmguroEJFQW0seXSagtPDX9FG1HGSy/fAU1Ccc6xxw0 JWHYG5mxcrtMHxS+WaYDEjncsZ/4hqF+B1Fxh8= Received: by web3.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix, from userid 99) id B48F111E73A; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 10:56:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1385308605.5007.51434733.4AEBDB8D@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: 2O/ghEDIxxEC2B8jRUE0+Y9biP1XEumSIMcx2AxNBxgT 1385308605 From: Mark Felder To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-3f1150ec Subject: Re: mac mini Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 09:56:45 -0600 In-Reply-To: <21136.62025.950336.994239@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <21136.62025.950336.994239@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:56:47 -0000 On Sat, Nov 23, 2013, at 12:22, George Hartzell wrote: > Doug Hardie writes: > > > > On 20 November 2013, at 10:09, Friedrich Locke wrote: > > > > > Does anyone here run Open/FreeBSD on mac mini ? > > > > > > Does the OS fully supports macmini hadrwared ? > > > > I have a couple production servers using Minis running FreeBSD 9.1 > > and 9.2. Check the archives as I posted the procedures I used to > > install. Some current Minis require a bit of horsing around to get > > networking to work. I have never used a windowing system on them. > > I only use a dumb terminal for initial setup and then SSH in after > > that. > > I've been running FreeBSD on a 2008 Intel 8-core Mac Pro (the tower) > for years, just bumped it up to the current 10-BETA3 (now that Andriy > solved the ZFS/mmap bug I was fighting and I can trust my flac tagging > pipeline again). > > Works great. I'm running the gnome desktop using the nvidia binary > distribution to drive a 30" Dell monitor. > > Root on Zfs, two disk mirror. Swapping directly onto partitions, no > mirror or ZFS involved. > > I'm still depending on the BIOS emulation to boot and it only gets > triggered if you use MBR formatted disks, not GPT. That confused the > daylights out of me for a bit. I'm not sure if the EFI (?) boot stuff > works or not. > > One time out of 4 it hangs early in the kernel starting up. Never > cared enough to get help tracking it down. > I know someone with the same model of Mac Pro but he's been in the process of moving. I'll see if I can convince him to install FreeBSD on a drive and reproduce that hang. When was the last time you ran OSX on it? There might be a BIOS/firmware/EFI update waiting. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 24 17:35:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D08FB56; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x232.google.com (mail-wg0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88F902B3A; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:35:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f50.google.com with SMTP id a1so1109576wgh.5 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 09:35:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=dBvqp/qqeOV7AASpOWz8uSLvMb7zEBrY/uAPbbhMXMU=; b=q/lCnpbjKc3wbo4CgfDr4x89tBsQeO3oR9dLIugLKEzxmQHy9htnua3KSIBMutjcNt EHrkHYqv8N/NSAa2Z1K1EXa9V4pT6xlASp21diZQyWnC44LDcYfM+1HVbJZXS7pIDgWU TxbHj/t0jgujlPJ9CVh3/nDshcAidNvpgBVib0dVOjMrabQJBNHAAPfvvLWjvRurEgzS xTPT7HHjK6cmN77HOLi6RJ7WB2/9p1/DsJjZUH3rweCl9iT3aCi7ZAjVFbKtEj8HVR5Q Pm5F6k2a4Csft62EhTY6DtaRvyUGXYLFhthrOlVsJEja3seTkUitcR2bLCenYkFoR4Qa Fewg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.171.4 with SMTP id aq4mr1315895wic.52.1385314537970; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 09:35:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.108.195 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 09:35:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.108.195 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 09:35:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1385308605.5007.51434733.4AEBDB8D@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <21136.62025.950336.994239@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1385308605.5007.51434733.4AEBDB8D@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:35:37 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: mac mini From: iamatt To: Mark Felder Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.16 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:35:40 -0000 Production servers on Mac minis? What kind of Mickey Mouse place would use those for real servers?! On Nov 24, 2013 9:57 AM, "Mark Felder" wrote: > On Sat, Nov 23, 2013, at 12:22, George Hartzell wrote: > > Doug Hardie writes: > > > > > > On 20 November 2013, at 10:09, Friedrich Locke < > friedrich.locke@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Does anyone here run Open/FreeBSD on mac mini ? > > > > > > > > Does the OS fully supports macmini hadrwared ? > > > > > > I have a couple production servers using Minis running FreeBSD 9.1 > > > and 9.2. Check the archives as I posted the procedures I used to > > > install. Some current Minis require a bit of horsing around to get > > > networking to work. I have never used a windowing system on them. > > > I only use a dumb terminal for initial setup and then SSH in after > > > that. > > > > I've been running FreeBSD on a 2008 Intel 8-core Mac Pro (the tower) > > for years, just bumped it up to the current 10-BETA3 (now that Andriy > > solved the ZFS/mmap bug I was fighting and I can trust my flac tagging > > pipeline again). > > > > Works great. I'm running the gnome desktop using the nvidia binary > > distribution to drive a 30" Dell monitor. > > > > Root on Zfs, two disk mirror. Swapping directly onto partitions, no > > mirror or ZFS involved. > > > > I'm still depending on the BIOS emulation to boot and it only gets > > triggered if you use MBR formatted disks, not GPT. That confused the > > daylights out of me for a bit. I'm not sure if the EFI (?) boot stuff > > works or not. > > > > One time out of 4 it hangs early in the kernel starting up. Never > > cared enough to get help tracking it down. > > > > I know someone with the same model of Mac Pro but he's been in the > process of moving. I'll see if I can convince him to install FreeBSD on > a drive and reproduce that hang. > > When was the last time you ran OSX on it? There might be a > BIOS/firmware/EFI update waiting. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 24 18:27:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9D76BC8; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:27:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oa0-x229.google.com (mail-oa0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c02::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64A8F2DF1; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:27:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id j17so3450889oag.14 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 10:27:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=1Si8SifTPBHvCPp1TsNPind0KnC2jFPsB2OdeeTVxMU=; b=ANv/7d5urIULEh4zkPv9yowPgLWdQ2zFxsRCtmcCpn5ltlIs5PLFWvMxNoK+ij3ieR w0vSFSCtScpR3GtKNaAMN6TSHnEeQRODgrftmYhygzBNDeH2OqOKiE/qKt+bzCz9p35w CSk/snbE5ioVZ3UtbUzZqs+5xBoD1vmvpOSvzCByxU98y3Y1bwrZ2RZTJblvjiniRYHU D/dx9cFOpOT8eVwpprZ3KtzXrmpSajWejHAU8AhdeHos1MTqBllMwM3AYzPBkDOFdwDo fjLmES0t/agdiiieqSLYFj36ESdDJVkMG8aKAN8NzW6lZfZ7Wkt365SeyprqrTS3Iz9O GPOw== X-Received: by 10.60.125.3 with SMTP id mm3mr21157369oeb.23.1385317650660; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 10:27:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.74] (75-63-29-182.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net. [75.63.29.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id rr6sm79353023oeb.0.2013.11.24.10.27.27 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 24 Nov 2013 10:27:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: mac mini Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: aurfalien In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 10:27:26 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0EDDC6B0-22EE-4B26-9DA5-C2FB75E9F0BD@gmail.com> References: <21136.62025.950336.994239@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1385308605.5007.51434733.4AEBDB8D@webmail.messagingengine.com> To: iamatt X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:27:31 -0000 Well, its not so much that as they run fine with whatever like Win/Lin = etc... But why invest in a Mini not to run OSX? Might as well buy cheaper and = better HW for that matter if you wanna run another OS. We've a few few Minis, not a fan. - aurf On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:35 AM, iamatt wrote: > Production servers on Mac minis? What kind of Mickey Mouse place = would use > those for real servers?! > On Nov 24, 2013 9:57 AM, "Mark Felder" wrote: >=20 >> On Sat, Nov 23, 2013, at 12:22, George Hartzell wrote: >>> Doug Hardie writes: >>>>=20 >>>> On 20 November 2013, at 10:09, Friedrich Locke < >> friedrich.locke@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> Does anyone here run Open/FreeBSD on mac mini ? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Does the OS fully supports macmini hadrwared ? >>>>=20 >>>> I have a couple production servers using Minis running FreeBSD 9.1 >>>> and 9.2. Check the archives as I posted the procedures I used to >>>> install. Some current Minis require a bit of horsing around to get >>>> networking to work. I have never used a windowing system on them. >>>> I only use a dumb terminal for initial setup and then SSH in after >>>> that. >>>=20 >>> I've been running FreeBSD on a 2008 Intel 8-core Mac Pro (the tower) >>> for years, just bumped it up to the current 10-BETA3 (now that = Andriy >>> solved the ZFS/mmap bug I was fighting and I can trust my flac = tagging >>> pipeline again). >>>=20 >>> Works great. I'm running the gnome desktop using the nvidia binary >>> distribution to drive a 30" Dell monitor. >>>=20 >>> Root on Zfs, two disk mirror. Swapping directly onto partitions, no >>> mirror or ZFS involved. >>>=20 >>> I'm still depending on the BIOS emulation to boot and it only gets >>> triggered if you use MBR formatted disks, not GPT. That confused = the >>> daylights out of me for a bit. I'm not sure if the EFI (?) boot = stuff >>> works or not. >>>=20 >>> One time out of 4 it hangs early in the kernel starting up. Never >>> cared enough to get help tracking it down. >>>=20 >>=20 >> I know someone with the same model of Mac Pro but he's been in the >> process of moving. I'll see if I can convince him to install FreeBSD = on >> a drive and reproduce that hang. >>=20 >> When was the last time you ran OSX on it? There might be a >> BIOS/firmware/EFI update waiting. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 24 18:50:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84C4C7FF for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51B502F1B for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:50:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.41]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49BF120BEA; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:50:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:50:26 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references:to; s=smtpout; bh=VBT r4GACN7IeNE8SiHM4lw/6fH4=; b=HQAV+E2AuvSHwKWwroImbZo6mdBexjduKav BZG6QgiiBCe0qEx6WdjpV26y1eVSmLhvwhjzVtaX5qx4NxDxeR7vdlMXAr3Wtfb+ nH8/2JSgX36O+YJYX1Wt4ZiIkfAi8Nq3itxHU3drGwQLQrhjSucnuAsBSmjD4pYQ r7YaQOno= X-Sasl-enc: akk4lTcyxbhIEkEzZa7L+t/w/9DegsuzEo1DsTwQ2NOE 1385319026 Received: from [172.16.1.145] (unknown [68.117.126.78]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BBAEA680101; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:50:25 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_58B3264F-29B7-4058-B588-98E4610E53F9"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1822\)) Subject: Re: mac mini From: Mark Felder In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 12:50:29 -0600 Message-Id: References: <21136.62025.950336.994239@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1385308605.5007.51434733.4AEBDB8D@webmail.messagingengine.com> To: iamatt X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1822) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:50:28 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_58B3264F-29B7-4058-B588-98E4610E53F9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Nov 24, 2013, at 11:35, iamatt wrote: > Production servers on Mac minis? What kind of Mickey Mouse place = would use those for real servers?! Well, you can make them really really dense in a rack http://hackaday.com/2012/12/09/160-mac-minis-one-rack/ --Apple-Mail=_58B3264F-29B7-4058-B588-98E4610E53F9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJSkkp1AAoJEJg7ZFAfE+JSyLgH/i0CfTkyUb/wv4YXS5NupRfP ZZCPiDKKdAwDisb/WUMd++NP8rDXE9EwwL1t1Mq8ElOXxx5iQPq1r399j5YapOvP sfTU0jsRjmO6EnrtySYsW91hdlcXozieie0OFvvGhDDOH4dzb4gFE5Hr1zTAz5Qm fZX93jRI4H32td3NV9/9NVzuHTROHLBvWdL02wgAnVx3pXqsBqOf8mXuFTeQWV8f 02sMv/FRhGv251GZVeTpbTsjrHx0KMz4AeroGktoRN7pxyrLli3mT1fzu0W6vJ27 NMYdelAxG/pLeg5o4e8RpkFTsQbSKECsqd1nK0qSPDcIHSdgIP3S2UpIh0DZUYM= =CqQ7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_58B3264F-29B7-4058-B588-98E4610E53F9-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 24 19:01:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 305A8E3A for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:01:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-x233.google.com (mail-bk0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4008:c01::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC7D92FCB for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bk0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 6so1506013bkj.24 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:01:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yjJgCW5M0ZiGHj8wWYXQpDRCurYvDAva3XLuoDnoX6Y=; b=0X3gUMCpkfGOgyIHvlpY+7k+UMxeriFsNZeBl+9JqgwxvXWNJWII1j568su/kGv4nu gZRAMJ9tOniBBjfWF/qMt5zgvUWOFs4ZhLtoisjF4M3hloIY/WQ1cKs1aLk+e867qWgs qPMpKNmSDPXZbDdtKC5VncILEfc2g6uK8qhCaQ4mAXsCYfGED2a/uU0m8xE1GBcBOXN8 jSDfB1+52hXa+mtEy3WUg5+GJJJYrkDMMGGexOkoUlEfGDkrgrBhEnurTwibcuyIfQJ8 vBCZRo39NU2MGGcp+09rMrc3lFO28/iDZdpxUXElAs9ClZRlINvsffpRkU9rJqAq5pOH pZ3w== X-Received: by 10.204.164.15 with SMTP id c15mr20922714bky.22.1385319671871; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:01:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (31.Red-79-145-209.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net. [79.145.209.31]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id m1sm37261270bkr.10.2013.11.24.11.01.10 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:01:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:01:09 +0100 From: Daniel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pat=F3n?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Many thanks to Jason Bacon Message-Id: <20131124200109.9ee6e380ca5dd9f41aa9cc04@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1385308505.4081.51434569.06A345C6@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <20131124031940.c78cd86d27f21fa0a6115c57@gmail.com> <1385308505.4081.51434569.06A345C6@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:01:14 -0000 > I'm genuinely curious why it works better for you on FreeBSD than > Debian. Can you elaborate? I have no idea what this software does. OK. This software analyze mathematically the sound files. For example: spec= trum, harmonics, formants, pitch, similitude between sounds, periodicity, e= tc... Sound files have a high quantity of information. Animal sounds can ha= ve frequencies between 20 and 20000 Hz or even more if you are studying spe= cies that emit ultrasounds such as cetaceans. A simple file of 5 minutes of= a dolphin that a range between 20 and 150000 Hz that vary continuously. A = simple spectra of this file in a normal computer can require 15 minutes in = the calculus. The first problem for me is determining the software that I n= eed. Audacity is quite good editing but is limited in the mathematical info= rmation that analyze. R have sound libraries that are very useful but curio= usly can not with long sound files. Even I had tested by SSH a computer in = the Physics Department with R under a Debian system, with 32 processors, 64= GB and the cost in computing time is very high. Probably this is due to th= e design in the construction of the software that can not use the parallel = processing of information. Praat is the best election for the mathematical = analysis of very long audio files, almost in my case. The secondary questio= n is the operating system. As I only can use Praat in my laptop I need the = maximum performance. I had observed that FreeBSD respond very good to high = consume rates. Linux is slower. Probably this difference is minor for norma= l work but empirically I observe important differences. With Debian in many= occasions my laptop is completely blocked. When I use FreeBSD I can prepar= e the analysis of a sound file and continue with the rest of activities (ma= il, web, text processor, etc...). My laptop never is blocked with FreeBSD a= nd the time of analysis is minor. This is my experience but I have not benc= hmarks or detailed explanations. Regards --=20 ******************************************************** Daniel Pat=F3n Dom=EDnguez Numerical Ecology. Ecology Unit Department of Plant Biology, Ecology and Earth Sciences Faculty of Sciences. University of Extremadura Avda. Elvas s/n 06071 Badajoz (Spain) http://unex.academia.edu/DanielPatonDominguez https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Daniel_Paton/ http://sites.google.com/site/numericalecologyuex/home ******************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 24 21:44:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF3EA913; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 21:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD872764; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 21:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757983AC9F; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:44:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: After updating ports, flash plugins for Firefox & Opera have gone AWOL Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:44:16 -0800 Message-ID: <9486.1385329456@server1.tristatelogic.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 21:44:25 -0000 Having gotten past all the difficulties that related to Perl, I have finally managed to update essentially all of my installed ports. (I still have a small problem with the update for ffmpeg(2), but I'll take that up later on.) Unfortunately, after updating all my ports I find that I now have a problem with the flash plugins for both Firefox and Opera... and I could use some help solving these two problems. After updating all my ports I have, among many many other things, all of the following currently installed: firefox-25.0_1,1 opera-12.16 linux-f10-flashplugin-11.2r202.327_1 nspluginwrapper-1.4.4_2 opera-linuxplugins-12.16 (Note: I use both Firefox and Opera, at different times for different purposes.) After updating my ports, I dutifully followed the instructions here for updating the flash support in Firefox (as I have done, many times before): https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/desktop-browsers.html Specifically (and only) I executed this step: nspluginwrapper -v -a -u This produced the following output: Auto-update plugins from /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins Looking for plugins in /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins Auto-update plugins from /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/linux-f10-flashplugin Looking for plugins in /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/linux-f10-flashplugin Auto-update plugins from /home/rfg/.mozilla/plugins Looking for plugins in /home/rfg/.mozilla/plugins Then I quit and restarted Firefox. Unfortunately, after these steps entering "about:plugins" in the Firefox location bar now shows that I have -no- plugins installed. Additionally, upon visiting (in Firefox) a web page that I believe contains flash material, I am getting a notification that I need to install the flash plugin. So, my questions: 1) What did I do wrong? 2) How can I correct the situation and get flash working with Firefox again? Separately and additionally, Opera also now does not seem to believe that it has any flash pulgin installed either. Of course, I would like to correct this problem also. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 25 01:13:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91C227A6; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 01:13:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-x22b.google.com (mail-pd0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 685412084; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 01:13:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f171.google.com with SMTP id z10so4405278pdj.30 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:13:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=gx8UNeenhtf9K1di50LO2XkUVSzhR7wzVUltqdgZwJc=; b=hO6DHLUn+ZvcGmgY986MCjroqdjqtJp2cb1edtg6NKC8OHPwZnWQBXf1mN7kKLvC3J a1KHAZaAx1mMeC/a2qSRyF1esPLphhFqK3poSq3BIX1KAUF8050h9OvcBhBsiulP6qFu nfKGSxhzpffeIXeHbodBiK6GK4saXXoM5B80B+3vUgJndgw38FMvEkKOWy+N7fxdjAHj e91a2sfzRGw90SvYHPZnVN0KiF05rjrI+reCEenlJ7cIlt+FXBwjFJwdil5ICfomo5LC AYpgjzNNMHfjg1ceEbU/r5pcHuhrtufcnjwH7fZ6T+WKJx6Uuq5o0CaH1VlAA+3rwxz+ OGgw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.241.5 with SMTP id we5mr24581256pbc.34.1385341991420; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:13:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.16.232 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:13:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <21136.62025.950336.994239@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1385308605.5007.51434733.4AEBDB8D@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:13:11 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: mac mini From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Mark Felder Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , iamatt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 01:13:12 -0000 On 24 November 2013 13:50, Mark Felder wrote: > > On Nov 24, 2013, at 11:35, iamatt wrote: > >> Production servers on Mac minis? What kind of Mickey Mouse place would use those for real servers?! > > Well, you can make them really really dense in a rack > > http://hackaday.com/2012/12/09/160-mac-minis-one-rack/ Increase your density! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1_uvM-5xKs -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 25 01:30:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E96E79B for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 01:30:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp2.bway.net (smtp2.v6.bway.net [IPv6:2607:d300:1::28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C54482164 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 01:30:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gecko3.bs.net (host-216-220-115-230.dsl.bway.net [216.220.115.230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m1316v@bway.net) by smtp2.bway.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BFC8695876 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:29:58 -0500 (EST) From: mfv To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: After updating ports, flash plugins for Firefox & Opera have gone AWOL Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:29:54 -0500 Message-ID: <2557715.iUCYSf1lvg@gecko3.bs.net> User-Agent: KMail/4.10.5 (FreeBSD/9.1-RELEASE; KDE/4.10.5; i386; ; ) In-Reply-To: <9486.1385329456@server1.tristatelogic.com> References: <9486.1385329456@server1.tristatelogic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: mrkvrg@acm.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 01:30:08 -0000 Hello Ronald, I ran across the same problem trying to get flash to work with firefox after an upgrade. As a hack, the following finally worked for me: cd ~/.mozilla/plugins rm npwrapper.libflashplayer.so nspluginwrapper -v -a -i Hope it may work for you. Cheers ... Marek On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:44:16 Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > Having gotten past all the difficulties that related to Perl, I have > finally managed to update essentially all of my installed ports. (I > still have a small problem with the update for ffmpeg(2), but I'll > take that up later on.) > > Unfortunately, after updating all my ports I find that I now have a > problem with the flash plugins for both Firefox and Opera... and I > could use some help solving these two problems. > > After updating all my ports I have, among many many other things, all > of the following currently installed: > > firefox-25.0_1,1 > opera-12.16 > linux-f10-flashplugin-11.2r202.327_1 > nspluginwrapper-1.4.4_2 > opera-linuxplugins-12.16 > > (Note: I use both Firefox and Opera, at different times for different > purposes.) > > After updating my ports, I dutifully followed the instructions here for > updating the flash support in Firefox (as I have done, many times before): > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/desktop-browsers.html > > Specifically (and only) I executed this step: > > nspluginwrapper -v -a -u > > This produced the following output: > > Auto-update plugins from /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins > Looking for plugins in /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins > Auto-update plugins from > /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/linux-f10-flashplugin Looking for plugins in > /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/linux-f10-flashplugin Auto-update plugins > from /home/rfg/.mozilla/plugins > Looking for plugins in /home/rfg/.mozilla/plugins > > Then I quit and restarted Firefox. > > Unfortunately, after these steps entering "about:plugins" in the Firefox > location bar now shows that I have -no- plugins installed. Additionally, > upon visiting (in Firefox) a web page that I believe contains flash > material, I am getting a notification that I need to install the flash > plugin. > > So, my questions: > > 1) What did I do wrong? > > 2) How can I correct the situation and get flash working with Firefox > again? > > Separately and additionally, Opera also now does not seem to believe that > it has any flash pulgin installed either. Of course, I would like to > correct this problem also. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 25 03:26:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9930FE; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 03:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-x235.google.com (mail-wi0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5234326AE; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 03:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f181.google.com with SMTP id hq4so3386612wib.14 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:26:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=OS5VBuAYXRXj0dBa6q19F2KgyHr9kMCNcR+JwP30nb8=; b=0ZxbGVUMIH7flLXkwLcyaOj/ONUulh7f7EF8EyBaU6keDFDaoKWWAQRUCsW2QoYTOA Ww9Hopz1StzKnbxNEvuucn3HtMfqyVqoWERTRYQ4jTZQ4+3BGxJM/7qten/lvrri33T0 H4u6HJJS+9uVQO6uYmRkkGjInyetwwNoX5gl9Oc1baqqwszJcBOxHkFoHL8InlgO2eh3 lXryfQeAQ+Ke8vdpeLiLwJfSg+pxVFn939G+e1m2JLIDWc2ruCGmm+1hkWY9zO5GJOmV RKHL2LIXl1/xzy5/cHy4jXTxgbADFyZLc5+L/BYXrbB+Iu8W3j2eaFBMvaIo4KQbOdw5 OOTw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.86.102 with SMTP id o6mr11850225wiz.30.1385350003826; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:26:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.108.195 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:26:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.108.195 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:26:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <21136.62025.950336.994239@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1385308605.5007.51434733.4AEBDB8D@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 21:26:43 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: mac mini From: iamatt To: illoai@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.16 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 03:26:46 -0000 OK I can somewhat see. Management must be a nightmare. IPMI? We use SGI watercooled icex with Gemini boards for our dense racks! And, others which will remain nameless... Interesting link so that got me thinking if there has been any FreeBSD in the top500 or close to the top500 ? I can do the research on my own. Thanks. On Nov 24, 2013 7:13 PM, "illoai@gmail.com" wrote: > On 24 November 2013 13:50, Mark Felder wrote: > > > > On Nov 24, 2013, at 11:35, iamatt wrote: > > > >> Production servers on Mac minis? What kind of Mickey Mouse place would > use those for real servers?! > > > > Well, you can make them really really dense in a rack > > > > http://hackaday.com/2012/12/09/160-mac-minis-one-rack/ > > Increase your density! > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1_uvM-5xKs > > -- > -- > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 25 07:09:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 805E760D for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 07:09:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from h.mdvmx.mailserve.net (h.mdvmx.mailserve.net [208.96.8.150]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3389E2F64 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 07:09:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from e.one.gosocius.in (e.one.gosocius.in [69.59.168.68]) by h.mdvmx.mailserve.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36EB1518707 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 12:01:17 +0530 (IST) Received: from g.one.gosocius.in (g.one.gosocius.in [69.59.168.70]) by e.one.gosocius.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9846E28E054 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 12:01:17 +0530 (IST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (mdreg-mst.qlc.co.in [127.0.0.1]) by g.one.gosocius.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A85CB204D for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 12:01:17 +0530 (IST) From: "Bhumika" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Watch the global unveiling of Honda's Iconic Model LIVE on 25th November, 2013 at 12 noon X-Abuse-Reports-To: abuse@mailer.sendernet.co.in Precedence: Bulk ListMember: List-Owner: Errors-To: errors@mailer.sendernet.co.in X-Mailer: MailDirect v2.03 for [24 Frames Digital] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20131125063117.8A85CB204D@g.one.gosocius.in> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 12:01:17 +0530 (IST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset = "utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.16 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Reply-To: "bhumika@24framesdigital.in" List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 07:09:11 -0000 Webcast partner This mail is an invitation to watch the LIVE webcast only. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Watch the global unveiling of an iconic model, today by 12 noon. 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Regards Richard Myers From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 25 17:13:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FBE6F42 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 17:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-x22d.google.com (mail-pd0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0BED2909 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 17:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f173.google.com with SMTP id p10so5884465pdj.18 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:13:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7gwRxPGHougSIK/XDxOlf6Xlanh0DLFIxgy3kE4esvA=; b=npAh/r0nELhLGC8C4nC9LdthAzJQMfaUioNw3LoleXJCo+7dX/BEokM8RqU4c1i4+o SJm28RClKu6D3e9sc60Y46QmyiB8XEjbyq8FjSvpVENZUJJaBEXDNuiqjQEI153PZ54E z5j+V1IBLzFsDf00HrH/1cvUkEDcqb5zgcKzooSXpLnG9zLnVqELQCEaUCuHvy1rRo7E 69qV15dH76FqDtMLZxSoYsx0g2B9i9QR6Qc4jJjjqXuD1ChmXjg61wRLmcC4lA8OG2Nh QDWDYlz21E/UgFE5K5yOAEmM+bs3taH/62YDZj7CXmRbFjW1GZyDujNtRtm8lkzGJEr3 Z14g== X-Received: by 10.68.204.193 with SMTP id la1mr3555395pbc.159.1385399620583; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:13:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from tsunami.lan ([67.142.83.147]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ie6sm48233541pbc.6.2013.11.25.09.13.34 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:13:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:13:22 -0800 From: Joe Ennis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Forums Message-ID: <20131125091322.70ebc6da@tsunami.lan> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-slackware-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 17:13:41 -0000 Have FreeBSD forums switched to phpBB? Has the site been hijacked? /j From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 25 17:15:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18DE5171 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 17:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www6.pairlite.com (www6.pairlite.com [64.130.10.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1972935 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 17:15:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.118.32.120] (unknown [128.147.28.1]) by www6.pairlite.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B313767AEE; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 12:14:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <52938592.4020907@rodperson.com> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 12:14:58 -0500 From: Rod Person User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Ennis Subject: Re: Forums References: <20131125091322.70ebc6da@tsunami.lan> In-Reply-To: <20131125091322.70ebc6da@tsunami.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 17:15:09 -0000 On 11/25/2013 12:13 PM, Joe Ennis wrote: > Have FreeBSD forums switched to phpBB? Has the site been hijacked? > > /j No hijacking, just switched to phpBB. -- Rod So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand. -Thucydides History of The Peloponnesian War, 432BC From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 25 19:34:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08E918CB for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 19:34:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f170.google.com (mail-ie0-f170.google.com [209.85.223.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D120E2375 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 19:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f170.google.com with SMTP id qd12so7738001ieb.1 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:34:21 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:user-agent; bh=hhWWsMyqn9odlcyiLdaTGNqi4boMrBB6TiZlC2/USfQ=; b=fGFrMh2N/FqtDwV1hz3uQL4BHFajEvKdu2/bYgaquPzevUM65D+Uu2zry90vc0UoTB sYBpLxmlYLU9Foz6Rcm8tRRO21LLRQKZ2AORUuY5fPi87p6ilQ7psU/16RXM0QUpllLk Aiq79wRwKSyQwjZuSCKT/8j14MADDwD7RykexQjG+fdYhZ2ohdQPMWICnM76ebgb/uZW jCpiX5S2GyMVnkiN5R0vN9cTPNjA1apVZXgWvE2nRLkC++7RXH7Eep+qTNu7Dogistlu LeiMu/TBlx1KKbSH1tST8mB4iE+FvXWWzrLo2ONJmFttaA4U1w7X8CVDmC44kqN07WZ/ bH4A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmIIRdShmI+yYrsr00tDFKhHh/qfyPRTnYP1DoIjKcCljBXDrNDTiI3D9M5C9dVVXKZ9n8l X-Received: by 10.50.119.4 with SMTP id kq4mr14216669igb.40.1385408061751; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:34:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu. [141.213.135.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j16sm27261429igf.6.2013.11.25.11.34.19 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:34:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:34:18 -0500 From: William Bulley To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: using make(1) with "-j" option Message-ID: <20131125193418.GS15424@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 19:34:29 -0000 In the modern era with multiple CPUs the norm, I was interested in finding a way to speed up compiles from source (of the kernel and the various ports I use). According to the man page "make(1)" the "-j max_jobs" option: Specify the maximum number of jobs that make may have running at any one time. Turns compatibility mode off, unless the -B flag is also specified. While building the kernel today, I was successful using "make -j 4" on a four CPU system. Later on, on the same system, I was unable to build any ports from source using either "# make -j 4 install" or "# make -j 2 install" commands. What am I missing here? Regards, web... -- William Bulley Email: web@umich.edu 72 characters width template ----------------------------------------->| From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 25 19:39:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48A769FE for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 19:39:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ve0-x232.google.com (mail-ve0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c01::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D84423B3 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 19:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f178.google.com with SMTP id c14so3242932vea.37 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:39:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=ohAPsf2LFvMmKGUpvn9HM76NfBoE8CQBbt/rIxSDlcs=; b=uUXmfaxmHU4k1fCG5KD2xgBLvnrq3gxPIBSCLqB9rRPHsTTkJgioGwm7zkkmF0BbLl 7VMrM5MzdvqbG89c3ia8lmlp0KYkYNSdNO/t6GdqrAIhdqDf1oUvvyx2dPW0Gfbh85Yw 0tsiRbKp/6DeH2O2/TqkbQVGHDRKga2km0qMKos4jzsJ5Z0KX9bJDMxBXL2ImWRvuFfl NN9GNDBGTma+rkrCjT9ElRxGxBwbAmYl6btKv/h8F3PvHGIoUQGJihUFTzxnr8UEVyjH C1ha/kalX9rAfLEDrIJ3/z5BKFdXcDm1KUdV5RBNqXYM6Qnzfgwo92XCgq610wQTL09+ Dwsg== X-Received: by 10.52.98.194 with SMTP id ek2mr23244164vdb.11.1385408348206; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:39:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.231.167 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:38:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20131125193418.GS15424@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> References: <20131125193418.GS15424@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> From: Anton Sayetsky Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:38:48 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: using make(1) with "-j" option To: William Bulley , FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 19:39:09 -0000 2013/11/25 William Bulley : > In the modern era with multiple CPUs the norm, I was interested in > finding a way to speed up compiles from source (of the kernel and > the various ports I use). > > According to the man page "make(1)" the "-j max_jobs" option: > > Specify the maximum number of jobs that make may have running at > any one time. Turns compatibility mode off, unless the -B flag > is also specified. > > While building the kernel today, I was successful using "make -j 4" > on a four CPU system. Later on, on the same system, I was unable > to build any ports from source using either "# make -j 4 install" > or "# make -j 2 install" commands. What am I missing here? You should use make jobs _only_ for build stage. Other stages are not supported. For example: make -j3 all && make install This applicable for both src & ports. 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[141.213.135.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j16sm27467076igf.6.2013.11.25.12.18.47 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 25 Nov 2013 12:18:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 15:18:47 -0500 From: William Bulley To: Anton Sayetsky Subject: Re: using make(1) with "-j" option Message-ID: <20131125201847.GU15424@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 20:18:55 -0000 According to Anton Sayetsky on Mon, 11/25/13 at 14:38: > > You should use make jobs _only_ for build stage. Other stages are not supported. > For example: make -j3 all && make install > This applicable for both src & ports. But correct way for ports is > setting MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER and/or FORCE_MAKE_JOBS in make.conf Thank you. :-) That was the hint I needed to point me in the correct direction. Regards, web... -- William Bulley Email: web@umich.edu 72 characters width template ----------------------------------------->| From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 25 21:32:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4250ECD1 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:32:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1788F2B19 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:32:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.yuri.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rAPLW4XF030680 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:32:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <5293C1D4.3010608@rawbw.com> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:32:04 -0800 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: What is the "thinnest" display manager available? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:32:12 -0000 I want to have as few packages installed as possible, and I want to use small window manager (dwm). But what is the thinnest display manager available? I know kdm and gdm both work, but both pull a ton of dependencies which I don't want. Features required: * automatic start (through /etc/rc.conf) * automatically run xorg and window manager of choice * automatically login a particular user * not many or no dependencies What is the smallest display manager that qualifies? Or maybe there is an easy way to run xorg + WM with some simple shell script? Anything like this ready to use? Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 25 21:36:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E928DDBE for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vb0-x22c.google.com (mail-vb0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c02::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE6E32B4E for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id w20so3327063vbb.3 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:36:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Lw9V961xhftN57yZTs2JYwvUkpdIrrsxz8Z9kBqOt00=; b=ML/RVusWuye79pwJQSjptRgULEj5rhFWcH+wrifR50ZzrHninwTmKT49sB9HxRlwmc HjG39ILlP3dd+MAfS+i45+Kp1OEuX88IeRzPHikjhNvijZJGUJ0klmaHKLciYMeJ428y V7oNzXXga3ZxNEqeHIVFXx/fnfcOgHaqd6FEk+GI01o9ygZjURnyDCBvJvnW3cgjpxCq Mikwc+EX38ayvl6qJHDI4ekJW9tv/vkRqXBNmteeZRsNA8kexhuFV/rJFIRYK/YD++s6 S643azQwHhzPpo6AQEmHXJIZjTfeUumil9E3OngTgyqdc2xUS7h1aqB5YA5ZILoC2cuT JWkw== X-Received: by 10.52.230.35 with SMTP id sv3mr2906284vdc.27.1385415397654; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:36:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.231.167 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:36:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5293C1D4.3010608@rawbw.com> References: <5293C1D4.3010608@rawbw.com> From: Anton Sayetsky Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 23:36:17 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What is the "thinnest" display manager available? To: Yuri , FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:36:39 -0000 2013/11/25 Yuri : > I want to have as few packages installed as possible, and I want to use > small window manager (dwm). But what is the thinnest display manager > available? I know kdm and gdm both work, but both pull a ton of dependencies > which I don't want. > > Features required: > * automatic start (through /etc/rc.conf) > * automatically run xorg and window manager of choice > * automatically login a particular user > * not many or no dependencies > > What is the smallest display manager that qualifies? > > Or maybe there is an easy way to run xorg + WM with some simple shell > script? Anything like this ready to use? Of course, your own shell script likely will be thinnest beause it'll contain only function required to you and noone other. But you can try lightdm. ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 25 21:36:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E703FE4B for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:36:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.s1.d2ux.org (static.209.96.9.5.clients.your-server.de [5.9.96.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A842B50 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:36:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.s1.d2ux.org (mail [10.0.0.3]) by mail.s1.d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26FC84F2600; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:36:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.s1.d2ux.org ([10.0.0.3]) by mail.s1.d2ux.org (mail.s1.d2ux.org [10.0.0.3]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NjzeG4HtJqyZ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:36:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.117] (p579D29C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.157.41.196]) by mail.s1.d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 24EB284F25E3; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:36:39 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5293DE27.7060805@petermann-it.de> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 00:32:55 +0100 From: Matthias Petermann User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yuri Subject: Re: What is the "thinnest" display manager available? References: <5293C1D4.3010608@rawbw.com> In-Reply-To: <5293C1D4.3010608@rawbw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:36:49 -0000 Hello Yuri, On 11/25/2013 10:32 PM, Yuri wrote: > I want to have as few packages installed as possible, and I want to > use small window manager (dwm). But what is the thinnest display > manager available? I know kdm and gdm both work, but both pull a ton > of dependencies which I don't want. > I use x11/slim for some of my lower end systems and it appears to be quite lightweight. Kind regards, Matthias From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 25 21:59:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1254950D for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:59:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.s1.d2ux.org (static.209.96.9.5.clients.your-server.de [5.9.96.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C0E2CB5 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:59:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.s1.d2ux.org (mail [10.0.0.3]) by mail.s1.d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B632E84F25D9; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:59:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.s1.d2ux.org ([10.0.0.3]) by mail.s1.d2ux.org (mail.s1.d2ux.org [10.0.0.3]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VkmT8P8i01Wa; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:59:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.100.13] (146-52-45-153-dynip.superkabel.de [146.52.45.153]) by mail.s1.d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0512184F25C6; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:59:24 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5293C7F7.6040503@d2ux.org> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:58:15 +0100 From: Uwe Heber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130922 Icedove/17.0.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD9.2: Tomcat process with very high memory allocation X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Matthias Petermann X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:59:28 -0000 Hello FreeBSD team, we are hosting a Java web application on our FreeBSD 9.2 server on which Tomcat 7.0 is used as runtime environment. During monitoring the Java process we have found out the Java process allocates 9GB of memory: 39819 www 35 20 0 9051M 439M uwait 4 0:31 0.00% jsvc www 39819 0.0 1.4 9268296 449704 ?? IJ 4:05PM 0:30.60 /usr/local/bin/jsvc -java-home /usr/local/openjdk6 -server -user www -pidfile /var/run/tomcat7.pid -wait 30 -out For this reason, we have reconfigured the Tomcat by setting up the minimum and maximum heap size in file /usr/local//bin/setenv.sh with following values: CATALINA_OPTS="$CATALINA_OPTS -Xms128m" CATALINA_OPTS="$CATALINA_OPTS -Xmx512m" After the Tomcat reboot the allocation remains at this very high consumption. Our question at this point: [1] Is this problem already known? [2] What are possible options regarding the setup which could solve the problem? If you need further information, please do not hesitate to contact us. Thanks for your support. -- Best regards, Uwe From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 25 22:08:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A0DD811 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:08:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ve0-x234.google.com (mail-ve0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c01::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3C722D2E for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:08:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f180.google.com with SMTP id jz11so3280432veb.25 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:08:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=tqH+BxbZsai7eSlSGlC7SuNHEb2UKbijUy2qZwOJBSg=; b=PxeEAcL/QJVkRcDgDwQ5V8mUCT8fkMklFNwXsgtIueZFN7slU866MfHsUrxTZp3KDR HBI7hrjAui9Pb7tQSeyAV14c7ziyOs0wE94V1u9BTX+464ILG17l0tlVt7wUrMG4KF4W YVmfUnQry7w6U5WYoldyWLPJLoFn8UsFntViPcUf1f0mGVfKpmvKleBFNgO0lt1YnMhT yXZKmZjzFoljnVyT25CPHDQiufG5jdk5GCJJfDDBUbGtD2poVrIU7bdKUYnLStaPW67a OQeWV6/NMNQkEm5KIk/aTA1Kuy+gR8kN1cCTjoELyfmEBsVcKmyuwNpqVuH0R09gLxrI c5uw== X-Received: by 10.52.52.137 with SMTP id t9mr10902242vdo.22.1385417307585; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:08:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.231.167 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:08:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5293C7F7.6040503@d2ux.org> References: <5293C7F7.6040503@d2ux.org> From: Anton Sayetsky Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 00:08:07 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD9.2: Tomcat process with very high memory allocation To: Uwe Heber , FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:08:29 -0000 2013/11/25 Uwe Heber : > Hello FreeBSD team, > > we are hosting a Java web application on our FreeBSD 9.2 server on which > Tomcat 7.0 is used as runtime environment. > > During monitoring the Java process we have found out the Java process > allocates 9GB of memory: > > 39819 www 35 20 0 9051M 439M uwait 4 0:31 0.00% jsvc > > www 39819 0.0 1.4 9268296 449704 ?? IJ 4:05PM 0:30.60 > /usr/local/bin/jsvc -java-home /usr/local/openjdk6 -server -user www > -pidfile /var/run/tomcat7.pid -wait 30 -out > > For this reason, we have reconfigured the Tomcat by setting up the > minimum and maximum heap size in file /usr/local//bin/setenv.sh > with following values: > > > CATALINA_OPTS="$CATALINA_OPTS -Xms128m" > CATALINA_OPTS="$CATALINA_OPTS -Xmx512m" > > After the Tomcat reboot the allocation remains at this very high > consumption. > > Our question at this point: > [1] Is this problem already known? > [2] What are possible options regarding the setup which could solve the > problem? > > If you need further information, please do not hesitate to contact us. > > Thanks for your support. There is _no_ problem. Tomcat has 9 GiB of virtual memory and 439 MiB of resident. The actual amount of really used mem is 439 MiB. Virtual contains all memory that theoretically can be used (but NOT allocated at a point of time in contrast of res) by process, all shared libraries that it used etc etc. In practice, virt memory shows nothing helpful. You should take a look on only resident memory of processes in most cases. http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com/2009/10/what-is-difference-among-virt-res-and.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 25 22:26:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA75329A; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:26:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from frv154.fwdcdn.com (frv154.fwdcdn.com [212.42.77.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8C8B2E5C; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:26:00 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ukr.net; s=fsm; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=GEIDBN7xelYZGSv05Y02qrIR3g0Psmr+v85sc8IBuBk=; b=bPBQgNAWFbYVIHTOH5TzdNJuXVxEUKI0xx77fXHuFWAi+IwLIgEe4UVqp5UBRSpEsFbGgi+YgAKcsfDtezbTubdpIsxqR1GEP4MjQ7gFgpqp7swiEe+0I64Jk18oB+HHXfBMWAKLT2U5cK/TXP+RH0yNW+cKaTPC5qYTo2Qi0ZU=; Received: from [37.115.116.138] (helo=nonamehost.local) by frv154.fwdcdn.com with esmtpsa ID 1Vl4bN-0005Hv-Mj ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 00:25:57 +0200 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 00:25:57 +0200 From: Ivan Klymenko To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: SCHED_ULE and function sched_shouldpreempt Message-ID: <20131126002557.6820c60e@nonamehost.local> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Authentication-Result: IP=37.115.116.138; mail.from=fidaj@ukr.net; dkim=pass; header.d=ukr.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:26:01 -0000 Hello all. sched_shouldpreempt function can return only 2 values: 0 or 1 there is a set of specific conditions under which the function returns 1 if the remaining conditions - it will return 0. why use a kung fu which is currently in use? not be simpler to use that variant?: --- sched_ule.c.orig 2013-11-18 17:41:52.000000000 +0200 +++ sched_ule.c 2013-11-18 17:48:21.000000000 +0200 @@ -419,32 +419,7 @@ static inline int sched_shouldpreempt(int pri, int cpri, int remote) { - /* - * If the new priority is not better than the current priority there is - * nothing to do. - */ - if (pri >= cpri) - return (0); - /* - * Always preempt idle. - */ - if (cpri >= PRI_MIN_IDLE) - return (1); - /* - * If preemption is disabled don't preempt others. - */ - if (preempt_thresh == 0) - return (0); - /* - * Preempt if we exceed the threshold. - */ - if (pri <= preempt_thresh) - return (1); - /* - * If we're interactive or better and there is non-interactive - * or worse running preempt only remote processors. - */ - if (remote && pri <= PRI_MAX_INTERACT && cpri > PRI_MAX_INTERACT) + if ((remote && pri <= PRI_MAX_INTERACT && cpri > PRI_MAX_INTERACT)||(pri <= preempt_thresh)||(cpri >= PRI_MIN_IDLE)) return (1); return (0); } or indeed there is some uneven distribution fulfillment of certain conditions under which the execution time of that function will be much more? or to use the original variant there is any other reasons? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 25 22:32:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB580516 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:32:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.s1.d2ux.org (static.209.96.9.5.clients.your-server.de [5.9.96.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4302ECB for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:32:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.s1.d2ux.org (mail [10.0.0.3]) by mail.s1.d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A38E84F25EB for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 23:32:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.s1.d2ux.org ([10.0.0.3]) by mail.s1.d2ux.org (mail.s1.d2ux.org [10.0.0.3]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XkMBRDlcy6OR for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 23:32:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.117] (p579D29C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.157.41.196]) by mail.s1.d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6BBD384F25E8 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 23:32:23 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5293EB36.9000303@petermann-it.de> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 01:28:38 +0100 From: Matthias Petermann User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD9.2: Tomcat process with very high memory allocation References: <5293C7F7.6040503@d2ux.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:32:26 -0000 Hello Anton, On 11/25/2013 11:08 PM, Anton Sayetsky wrote: > There is _no_ problem. Tomcat has 9 GiB of virtual memory and 439 MiB > of resident. > The actual amount of really used mem is 439 MiB. > Virtual contains all memory that theoretically can be used (but NOT > allocated at a point of time in contrast of res) by process, all > shared libraries that it used etc etc. In practice, virt memory shows > nothing helpful. > You should take a look on only resident memory of processes in most cases. > http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com/2009/10/what-is-difference-among-virt-res-and.html Just for curiosity - is there a way to display all (theoretically) used virtual memory of a process? So I'd like to understand how it calculates the total size shown in top. Many thanks in advance. Best regards, Matthias From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 25 23:05:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C49623E; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 23:05:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ve0-x236.google.com (mail-ve0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c01::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D2D820B0; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 23:05:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f182.google.com with SMTP id jy13so3360399veb.41 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 15:05:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=KoZ4BvqbCGwBU6iBqgnJfnx7g7AnbJuE6vfmrBIEBzY=; b=D8eXzeYO6ns4qb9JVjzJPCdYTCGuudUFx65HEcQYwf5sq5EvwD9P8iKFKjEt6hlVWO DSsvhQi1RqiXROF1+XQDvCP7sMQ0tHcUGqMKEoOfHmPXcVeNAzUIYsYEKVM6IshWY5iu N6bCilL9bmV4/ShjxkZAMKpKdSqgwwpggR5IgaZByqj3IYtlrWL5EKXM/mlAGJcGyZTI wnzaN6kofpWhMc3mMeTB67R86ZAIc6JzuUl4coM/qlf5wgRUw4ywV63UbcDuVx9Nmrja EihIf2jjaVUJop1QPA1L+eCfbKFcvb7QOJyY1rIwYHFeG5FZSK7DFkWAx+yGTw/9zDVB EEpA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.210.66 with SMTP id ms2mr28816214vec.10.1385420741237; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 15:05:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.145.143 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 15:05:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20131126002557.6820c60e@nonamehost.local> References: <20131126002557.6820c60e@nonamehost.local> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 00:05:41 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: SCHED_ULE and function sched_shouldpreempt From: Daniel Janzon To: Ivan Klymenko Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.16 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 23:05:42 -0000 On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:25 PM, Ivan Klymenko wrote: > Hello all. > > sched_shouldpreempt function can return only 2 values: 0 or 1 > > there is a set of specific conditions under which the function returns > 1 if the remaining conditions - it will return 0. > why use a kung fu which is currently in use? > not be simpler to use that variant?: > > --- sched_ule.c.orig 2013-11-18 17:41:52.000000000 +0200 > +++ sched_ule.c 2013-11-18 17:48:21.000000000 +0200 > @@ -419,32 +419,7 @@ > static inline int > sched_shouldpreempt(int pri, int cpri, int remote) > { > - /* > - * If the new priority is not better than the current priority > there is > - * nothing to do. > - */ > - if (pri >= cpri) > - return (0); > - /* > - * Always preempt idle. > - */ > - if (cpri >= PRI_MIN_IDLE) > - return (1); > - /* > - * If preemption is disabled don't preempt others. > - */ > - if (preempt_thresh == 0) > - return (0); > - /* > - * Preempt if we exceed the threshold. > - */ > - if (pri <= preempt_thresh) > - return (1); > - /* > - * If we're interactive or better and there is non-interactive > - * or worse running preempt only remote processors. > - */ > - if (remote && pri <= PRI_MAX_INTERACT && cpri > PRI_MAX_INTERACT) > + if ((remote && pri <= PRI_MAX_INTERACT && cpri > > PRI_MAX_INTERACT)||(pri <= preempt_thresh)||(cpri >= PRI_MIN_IDLE)) > return (1); > return (0); > } > > or indeed there is some uneven distribution fulfillment of certain > conditions under which the execution time of that function will be much > more? > > or to use the original variant there is any other reasons? > The compiler can generate efficient code in both cases. So the code should be quick to understand, not quick to type. Also notice that all the comments are deleted in your patch. Suppose you enter the function with pri=3, cpri=2 and remote = 0. What is returned? In the deleted portion of the patch, you have the answer loud and clear in the first if case. Cheers, Daniel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 26 01:30:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7F366D9 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 01:30:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-x22e.google.com (mail-qa0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8886F27D4 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 01:30:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id f11so3815123qae.12 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 17:30:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=lfJGUFc+oUVlgMamYc3v0uX5nFM+KHRdqUS2ckE74gk=; b=VfuDHHopeGEPKAscfsolV227GaoBStUnR4S9mVcd9iWU1aW9Ksn/lDtiBdIwbCllzK IGFFIjjbwbdqvxfz1QDsbtX5LnpdrMR7+ZtKupBcelPkNQY6jaxBBo2bdbZJNszgvmR5 r/ylJOEtO2EraMyop1gnRvOFY8zxhAQTWDqGeHo+exV71K6b3Twkq90nmO5A9xU7eCzM 9Wiptjqb2fHauwGNJQfs67C9FRoLmbq6VYFBDrwO71UrJa1yiHtVb5UiMpZzQXwYMOBy EakJzN8dk1axH7Ja9N65q5VxRK/rYq3dTK9zCZbs0DOy98pzypGx0XpIaCLfrdFynzM7 aitQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.59.70 with SMTP id x6mr51419870qeq.17.1385429430800; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 17:30:30 -0800 (PST) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.224.207.66 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 17:30:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 17:30:30 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Mup7-bsFcdSd4N57Skmrtsp2eIY Message-ID: Subject: Re: Restart of wireless service creates crash in system From: Adrian Chadd To: Juris Kaminskis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 01:30:31 -0000 Hi, I just committed a fix - r258612. -adrian On 25 November 2013 04:13, Juris Kaminskis wrote: > 2013/11/25 Adrian Chadd >> >> Fire up the krenel core dump in kgdb: >> >> kgdb /boot/kernel/kernel /var/crash/vmcore.X >> >> then 'bt' >> >> > > find attached file From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 26 02:57:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C83396DB for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 02:57:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A15E2B92 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 02:57:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-106-241.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.106.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2F583E033; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 03:57:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rAQ2v6KM002022; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 03:57:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 03:57:06 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Yuri Subject: Re: What is the "thinnest" display manager available? Message-Id: <20131126035706.a04de661.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5293C1D4.3010608@rawbw.com> References: <5293C1D4.3010608@rawbw.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 02:57:29 -0000 On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:32:04 -0800, Yuri wrote: > I want to have as few packages installed as possible, and I want to use > small window manager (dwm). But what is the thinnest display manager > available? I know kdm and gdm both work, but both pull a ton of > dependencies which I don't want. I'd say the classic xdm won't be a bad choice: it's common, secure, easy to use, and fast. If you're using WindowMaker for one or more accounts on your system, maybe wdm isn't a bad choice. However, xdm and wdm are started by an entry in /etc/ttys. > Features required: > * automatic start (through /etc/rc.conf) > * automatically run xorg and window manager of choice > * automatically login a particular user > * not many or no dependencies > > What is the smallest display manager that qualifies? If I understand your requirements correct, "no display manager" would be a possible answer. You want to automatically login a particular user? You don't even need a display manager then. A display manager works similarly to login: ask for a user name and a password, then run the appropriate startup shell and scripts. For auto-login, this is not required. > Or maybe there is an easy way to run xorg + WM with some simple shell > script? Anything like this ready to use? Everything for this task is present in the base system, it just requires a few steps. I'll provide a little howto in case this is what you need (refactored from an earlier post I wrote to that list). Step 1: In /etc/gettytab, autologin:\ :al=:tc=Pc: is to be placed _after_ the "default:" entry. This step defines the "getty profile" for an automated login with the username "olivares" as associated to the "al=" parameter. Also note the "tc=" parameter which incorporates the default "Pc" settings (that you can encounter in the next step's working file). Here, is the user you want to be logged in automatically. Step 2: In /etc/ttys, the line for ttyv0 is to be changed like this: ttyv0 "/usr/libexec/getty autologin" cons25l1 on secure This instructs the "getty" program to use the "autologin profile" at system startup and automatically log in the user (see step 1). Attention: Maybe you need a different console configuration; "cons25" is the system's default. In Germany, I have to use cons25l1 for the local magic. :-) Make sure you _don't_ have a line calling xdm here - maybe this causes conflicts. Step 3: In /home/ (or where $HOME is located for that user), make ~/.login end in [ ! -f /tmp/.X0-lock ] && startx For bash, this would go to ~/.bash_login. Other shells may have different startup files; see "man sh", "man csh", "man bash" and "man " for details. To become independent from the actual login shell, you can write this command into a script that is executable by the user, e. g. "chmod +x /opt/bin/autostartx"; if you have /opt/bin in $PATH, you just need to call "autostartx" in the correct startup file. Then _any_ shell startup script could contain the call that script, like this: #!/bin/sh [ ! -f /tmp/.X0-lock ] && startx exec $0 You can also make this script local to your user in ~/bin, maybe you already have that in $PATH. Attention: This _might_ get you into an "infinite loop" if something is _really_ wrong. :-) You can even modify the script to _restart_ X if it should have crashed, so you don't fall back to the console in case of a severe error (and enter "startx" again). Step 4 (optional): In order to combine the use of xdm (or other DMs) and the different system shells, for your user account there can be some additional settings. In ~/.xsession, put #!/bin/csh source ~/.cshrc exec ~/.xinitrc This file will be executed in case xdm is used. I am using the C shell as a dialog shell here, so this makes sure my shell settings get incorporated. Then control will be given to the .xinitrc file, usually executed when you run "startx", but xdm _may_ have a different opinion. In ~/.xinitrc, put all your X startup stuff. #!/bin/sh [ -f ~/.xmodmaprc ] && xmodmap ~/.xmodmaprc #xrandr --fb 1400x1050 #xrandr --size 1400x1050 intclock -geometry 186x65+151-0 & xload -geometry 150x70+0+826 -bg white -fg black -hl gray \ -scale 5 -label "System load" -update 1 & xmbmon -g 150x100+0+897 -tmin 20.0 -tmax 70.0 -cmtmb CPU \ -cltmb blue -cmtcpu CS -cltcpu cyan -cmtcs SYS \ -cltcs green -vmin 2.0 -vmax 3.0 -cmvc V -clvc red & xclock -geometry 50x50+50+998 & xbiff -geometry 50x50+0+998 & xlogo -geometry 50x50+100+998 -render & xcpufreq -geometry 183x167+151+826 -cpuscalecolor grey \ -freqscalecolor grey -scales 6 -update 1 -jumpscroll 1 & xterm -geometry 80x25+0+465 -class NOCLOSE_TERMINAL -fg black \ -bg beige -title Terminal & xsetroot -solid rgb:3b/4c/7a xset b 100 1000 15 & xset r rate 250 30 & xset s off & xset -dpms & exec wmaker The first line (#!) is optional. I'm not fully sure if those files have to be +x attributes (I _have_ those settings, no idea where they came from and why they are still here). But it works, so I don't question it. :-) The last line, "exec", contains the call to the desired window manager. Maybe the file just needs to be as short as maybe #!/bin/sh exec startxfce4 to do everything you need. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 26 07:33:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7207B1D8 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 07:33:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lena.kiev.ua (lena.kiev.ua [82.146.52.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 406CD27F8 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 07:33:20 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lena.kiev.ua; s=3; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=Pd0akczqybcR78syaqLX6h4Om9EnJt9hhXzdGuMvhw4=; b=YypmjxeM/I10tPQtQz+yYbv6LneNhfOtdgGuXeZdq7Q4wU8Q+7P+hxnOoJthSYaNy6q6o8XvKQbGiW2pB9WyBe1Gzb/u6dY7+j/eDXsHOX/SLhwArENDQrO1PYc2NsmcSFG682UQJD7eOKLUUMa6G5ipuuJomiojnAUkXKA/cwE=; Received: from ip-384c.rusanovka-net.kiev.ua ([94.244.56.76] helo=bedside.lena.kiev.ua) by lena.kiev.ua with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1VlD94-000Eks-AD; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:33:19 +0200 Received: from bedside.lena.kiev.ua (localhost.lena.kiev.ua [127.0.0.1]) by bedside.lena.kiev.ua (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id rAQ7WvMR001228; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:32:57 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from Lena@lena.kiev.ua) Received: (from lena@localhost) by bedside.lena.kiev.ua (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id rAQ7WuiJ001227; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:32:56 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from Lena@lena.kiev.ua) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:32:56 +0200 From: Lena@lena.kiev.ua To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is the "thinnest" display manager available? Message-ID: <20131126073256.GC788@lena.kiev> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5293C1D4.3010608@rawbw.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Yuri X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 07:33:20 -0000 > From: Yuri > > I want to have as few packages installed as possible, and I want to use > small window manager (dwm). But what is the thinnest display manager > available? I know kdm and gdm both work, but both pull a ton of > dependencies which I don't want. > > Features required: > * automatic start (through /etc/rc.conf) > * automatically run xorg and window manager of choice > * automatically login a particular user > * not many or no dependencies > Or maybe there is an easy way to run xorg + WM with some simple shell > script? Anything like this ready to use? I don't use any display manager. How I do the automatic starts at power on: in /etc/ttys (note the "off" in ttyv8): ttyv0 "/usr/libexec/getty toorPc" cons25r on secure # Virtual terminals ttyv1 "/usr/libexec/getty lenaPc" cons25r on secure ttyv2 "/usr/libexec/getty lenaPc" cons25r on secure ttyv3 "/usr/libexec/getty lenaPc" cons25r on secure ttyv4 "/usr/libexec/getty lenaPc" cons25r on secure ttyv5 "/usr/libexec/getty lenaPc" cons25r on secure ttyv6 "/usr/libexec/getty lenaPc" cons25r on secure ttyv7 "/usr/libexec/getty lenaPc" cons25r on secure ttyv8 "/usr/X11R6/bin/xdm -nodaemon" xterm off secure ttyv9 "/usr/libexec/getty lenaPc" cons25r on secure ttyva "/usr/libexec/getty lenaPc" cons25r on secure In /etc/gettytab : lenaPc:\ :al=lena:tc=Pc: toorPc:\ :al=toor:tc=Pc: In /home/lena/.profile (note the startx): set -- `who am I` if [ .$2 = .ttyv1 ]; then mutt -e 'exec fetch-mail' elif [ .$2 = .ttyv2 ]; then mutt -f ~/Mail/sent elif [ .$2 = .ttyv6 ]; then $EDITOR kalendar elif [ .$2 = .ttyv7 ]; then $EDITOR dossier elif 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Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lena@lena.kiev.ua, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is the "thinnest" display manager available? References: <20131126073256.GC788@lena.kiev> In-Reply-To: <20131126073256.GC788@lena.kiev> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 08:52:35 -0000 On 11/25/2013 23:32, Lena@lena.kiev.ua wrote: > ttyv7 "/usr/libexec/getty lenaPc" cons25r on secure > ttyv8 "/usr/X11R6/bin/xdm -nodaemon" xterm off secure > ttyv9 "/usr/libexec/getty lenaPc" cons25r on secure Lena, This method of launching of DM is obsolete and not recommended. Normally they are launched through /etc/rc.d script. I remember running in some bad issue exactly because of such ttys misuse, but don't remember specifics. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 26 08:53:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2CA1D5E5 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 08:53:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pochta-mx.canmos.ru (pochta-mx.canmos.ru [89.107.127.240]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A12362CD1 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 08:53:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pochta-mx.canmos.ru (pochta-mx.canmos.ru [89.107.127.240]) by pochta-mx.canmos.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59FBC2BDA379; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:46:32 +0400 (MSK) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2-pochta_20120910 (2011-06-06) on pochta.canmos.ru X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2-pochta_20120910 Received: from sta1.canmos.ru (sta1.canmos.ru [89.107.124.11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: 105@5798000.ru) by pochta-mx.canmos.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:46:32 +0400 (MSK) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:46:33 +0400 (MSK) From: "Igor V. Ruzanov" To: Lena@lena.kiev.ua Subject: Re: What is the "thinnest" display manager available? In-Reply-To: <20131126073256.GC788@lena.kiev> Message-ID: References: <20131126073256.GC788@lena.kiev> X-GPG-PUBLIC-KEY: 1024D/494AF6DC 2008-03-20 Igor V. Ruzanov X-GPG-FINGERPRINT: A723 B6CC 11ED A4E2 1909 C4DC 6EDE 9089 494A F6DC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Yuri , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 08:53:48 -0000 In such way you could start just Xorg without any applets such as any window managers under certain user :))) And then run konsole (for ex.) program from within you can launch any programs, - pine, konqueror, licq and so on. Anyway, to start Xorg automatically after system login, just edit master.passwd file (with vipw, for ex.) adding any command starting X-session, `startx', for ex. instead of standard shell interpreter. And thats all:) Additionaly, if you want to run some graphical applets after X-session is up, edit ~/.xinitrc file by adding of everyting you want to load at startup. |> From: Yuri |> |> I want to have as few packages installed as possible, and I want to use |> small window manager (dwm). But what is the thinnest display manager |> available? I know kdm and gdm both work, but both pull a ton of |> dependencies which I don't want. |> |> Features required: |> * automatic start (through /etc/rc.conf) |> * automatically run xorg and window manager of choice |> * automatically login a particular user |> * not many or no dependencies | |> Or maybe there is an easy way to run xorg + WM with some simple shell |> script? Anything like this ready to use? | |I don't use any display manager. How I do the automatic starts at power on: |in /etc/ttys (note the "off" in ttyv8): | |ttyv0 "/usr/libexec/getty toorPc" cons25r on secure |# Virtual terminals |ttyv1 "/usr/libexec/getty lenaPc" cons25r on secure |ttyv2 "/usr/libexec/getty lenaPc" cons25r on secure |ttyv3 "/usr/libexec/getty lenaPc" cons25r on secure |ttyv4 "/usr/libexec/getty lenaPc" cons25r on secure |ttyv5 "/usr/libexec/getty lenaPc" cons25r on secure |ttyv6 "/usr/libexec/getty lenaPc" cons25r on secure |ttyv7 "/usr/libexec/getty lenaPc" cons25r on secure |ttyv8 "/usr/X11R6/bin/xdm -nodaemon" xterm off secure |ttyv9 "/usr/libexec/getty lenaPc" cons25r on secure |ttyva "/usr/libexec/getty lenaPc" cons25r on secure | |In /etc/gettytab : | |lenaPc:\ | :al=lena:tc=Pc: |toorPc:\ | :al=toor:tc=Pc: | |In /home/lena/.profile (note the startx): | |set -- `who am I` |if [ .$2 = .ttyv1 ]; then | mutt -e 'exec fetch-mail' |elif [ .$2 = .ttyv2 ]; then | mutt -f ~/Mail/sent |elif [ .$2 = .ttyv6 ]; then | $EDITOR kalendar |elif [ .$2 = .ttyv7 ]; then | $EDITOR dossier |elif [ .$2 = .ttyv9 ]; then | rm .serverauth.* | startx & | sleep 7 | centerim -S o -p icq | centerim -S o -p jab | sleep 7 | centerim -S o -p icq |elif [ .$2 = .ttyva ]; then | stty discard undef | centerim -o |fi | |In /home/lena/.xinitrc : | |numlockx |LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox/plugins MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=/usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/symlinks/gecko19:/usr/local/lib/npapi/symlinks/firefox LIBPATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/usr/local/lib/firefox SHLIB_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox firefox & |vidcontrol -s 2 < /dev/ttyv9 |exec fluxbox | |_______________________________________________ |freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list |http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions |To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" | +-------------------------------------------+ ! CANMOS ISP Network ! +-------------------------------------------+ ! Best regards ! ! Igor V. Ruzanov, network operational staff! ! e-Mail: igorr@canmos.ru ! +-------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 26 08:59:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9B1AADF for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 08:59:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F87F2D16 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 08:59:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-106-241.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.106.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F184F3C9A1; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:59:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rAQ8x7PE002723; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:59:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:59:07 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Yuri Subject: Re: What is the "thinnest" display manager available? Message-Id: <20131126095907.05990916.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <52946150.2060505@rawbw.com> References: <20131126073256.GC788@lena.kiev> <52946150.2060505@rawbw.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 08:59:24 -0000 On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 00:52:32 -0800, Yuri wrote: > On 11/25/2013 23:32, Lena@lena.kiev.ua wrote: > > ttyv7 "/usr/libexec/getty lenaPc" cons25r on secure > > ttyv8 "/usr/X11R6/bin/xdm -nodaemon" xterm off secure > > ttyv9 "/usr/libexec/getty lenaPc" cons25r on secure > > Lena, > > This method of launching of DM is obsolete and not recommended. > Normally they are launched through /etc/rc.d script. I remember running > in some bad issue exactly because of such ttys misuse, but don't > remember specifics. Many display managers (such as GDM and KDM) have a setting ready for /etc/rc.conf, but XDM still seems to work fine with this method. The FreeBSD Handbook (6.6.2.) mentions the adding of an entry to /etc/ttys, which I'm following for years now if I want to use xdm and wdm. Source: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-xdm.html Allow me to ask the following question: Is xdm (and as far as I know, also wdm) still an exception from the "rc.conf rule", or how is it supposed to be started on "more modern" versions? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 26 09:20:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2CB818A for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:20:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7ADB42E12 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:20:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop3.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop3.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5003F2731C for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 19:13:43 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <52946647.2060000@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 19:13:43 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130530 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Labplot tutorial? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:20:12 -0000 I'd like to be able to use this to plot some data and hopefully use it to plot stuff out of scilab, but its use seems to be escaping the grasp of ordinary humans :) Does anyone know of any straightforward tutorials that exist for this application at all? Cheers From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 26 09:53:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E215AAD8 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:53:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from icp-osb-irony-out7.external.iinet.net.au (icp-osb-irony-out7.external.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61073200A for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:53:39 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApkFAF5ulFLLO2YW/2dsb2JhbABZgwc4iSi0aRZ0gyQgCRQWCBADAgECATQkBgIBAYdqAQMOnw6XQQZECYgijhQRAW2EHQOJQJAEhRQniyaDNS+BNQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,773,1378828800"; d="scan'208,217";a="178448099" Received: from unknown (HELO diablo.enlight) ([203.59.102.22]) by icp-osb-irony-out7.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 26 Nov 2013 17:53:37 +0800 Received: from localhost (localhost.enlight [127.0.0.1]) by diablo.enlight (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B39CF7464 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 17:53:46 +0800 (WST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (skyline.enlight [192.168.2.4]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by diablo.enlight (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 94757F7459 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 17:53:45 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: <52946FB7.5050803@odyssey.dyndns.org> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 17:53:59 +0800 From: Ben Hutton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Bind - error reading private key file X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 26 17:53:45 2013 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 1.0000 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0023 X-DSPAM-Signature: 52946fa914202073812266 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.16 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:53:40 -0000 I'm current trying to configure bind as per the handbook. Everything appears to be working except the Smart Signing section. As far as I can tell I've followed all the instructions correctly however I get the below error. Initially I thought I'd missed something so I started again from scratch but ended up with the same issue. Nov 26 20:38:51 web01 named[15623]: dns_dnssec_keylistfromrdataset: error reading private key file /domain///.com.au/RSASHA256/13095: file not found Nov 26 20:38:51 web01 named[15623]: dns_dnssec_keylistfromrdataset: error reading private key file /domain.///com.au/RSASHA256/63499: file not found The zone is configured as follows: zone "/domain.///com.au" { type master; key-directory "/etc/namedb/keys"; update-policy local; auto-dnssec maintain; file "/etc/namedb/master//domain///.com.au.db.signed"; }; and the KSK and ZSK files have been moved to the "/etc/namedb/keys" folder. Please note I do not get any errors if I remove the following: key-directory "/etc/namedb/keys"; update-policy local; auto-dnssec maintain; Bind is version BIND 9.8.4-P2 on FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE -- Regards Ben Hutton Email: ben.hutton@odyssey.dyndns.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 26 10:15:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 293A1154 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:15:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-x22d.google.com (mail-wi0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B89B12147 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:15:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f173.google.com with SMTP id hm4so4916725wib.6 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 02:15:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Xl2PDVATVOmfwWK85IX3zVJtMNmbELlm3/BbrhhtFxw=; b=vH5O87ktB+HDsQlhwagG1uD7llsacF763x2Am35MfODjRasWAtp0RiEmya96auEEcz cPlKdiGz8S9AmoxbST5Xnq+GOSyOxSrui2OkjuCxjQDaG43SXvvSUBOX41BhQ7BrzqXf gkxpBRMCdfRHwUWIgL7kFu63g82879QcFZtE7ztT3Kmsxyd0MZ/8Q11iVnW+ZNr1Cg3e +kNMt23wpvz9R3C1y6GNuIdTHhrlRYdVpjUjzojJvRwXWJ+3AA8yDaBD48daLIQHdnJ8 K5ZhdIJVVg6w8uQfc2dOPrTZEaKQ7oagZeY6iarqlpENwOAsDswyFR0L/wlNE+UtZlfp DE0g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.20.102 with SMTP id m6mr17443721wie.22.1385460949080; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 02:15:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.106.9 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 02:15:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 11:15:49 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Installing FreeBSD 9.2 on a G5 without CD From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Daniel_Pat=F3n?= To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.16 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:15:51 -0000 Dear list: I want to comment how finally I had installed a FreeBSD 9.2 in a G5 using an USB stick because I had detected some problems in certain instructions. 1) Download the image for memstick and powerpc architecture using wget (with filemanager the image have mistakes) 2) Connect the memstick and dmesg. In my case the memstick is connected in da0 3) dd if=FreeBSD-9.2-RELEASE-powerpc-memstick.img of=/dev/da0 bs=10240 conv=sync 4) Check that image is OK with md5 5) Connect the memstick in the first USB of MAC and switch on the G5 with the keys COMMAND+OPTION+O+F or WINDOWS+ALT+O+F 6) Firmware is on with the symbol "0 >" Until here the instructions are common to many web pages BUT the following is different in my case: 7) write this: boot usb0/disk@1:2,\\:tbxi the instructions that certain web pages recommend are not appropriate in my case. I do not the reason. Regards -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Numerical Ecology Group. Ecology Unit. Faculty of Sciences. University of Extremadura Avda. Elvas s/n 06071 Badajoz, Spain https://sites.google.com/site/numericalecologyuex/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 26 10:31:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8ED13774 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:31:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB1DE22B6 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (host86-150-247-154.range86-150.btcentralplus.com [86.150.247.154]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rAQALdVN036566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:21:39 GMT (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Message-ID: <52947638.9090603@fjl.co.uk> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:21:44 +0000 From: Frank Leonhardt Organization: Frank Leonhardt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bind - error reading private key file References: <52946FB7.5050803@odyssey.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: <52946FB7.5050803@odyssey.dyndns.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.16 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: frank2@fjl.co.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:31:14 -0000 On 26/11/2013 09:53, Ben Hutton wrote: > I'm current trying to configure bind as per the handbook. Everything > appears to be working except the Smart Signing section. As far as I > can tell I've followed all the instructions correctly however I get > the below error. Initially I thought I'd missed something so I > started again from scratch but ended up with the same issue. > > Nov 26 20:38:51 web01 named[15623]: dns_dnssec_keylistfromrdataset: > error reading private key file /domain///.com.au/RSASHA256/13095: file > not found > Nov 26 20:38:51 web01 named[15623]: dns_dnssec_keylistfromrdataset: > error reading private key file /domain.///com.au/RSASHA256/63499: file > not found > > The zone is configured as follows: > > zone "/domain.///com.au" { > type master; > key-directory "/etc/namedb/keys"; > update-policy local; > auto-dnssec maintain; > file "/etc/namedb/master//domain///.com.au.db.signed"; > }; > > and the KSK and ZSK files have been moved to the "/etc/namedb/keys" > folder. > > Please note I do not get any errors if I remove the following: > > key-directory "/etc/namedb/keys"; > update-policy local; > auto-dnssec maintain; > > Bind is version BIND 9.8.4-P2 on FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE > > While you're waiting for a expert (who will understand the ///// stuff in your files), bear in mind that named automatically runs in a chroot environment. Or at least that's my understanding. I don't know if this relates to the cause of your woes but I've had a few doah moments using absolute paths and now I keep clear of them. Regards, Frank From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 26 10:37:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55FBA9BB for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:37:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DF27230B for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:37:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop3.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop3.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 816C927340 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:37:39 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <529479F3.1090000@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:37:39 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130530 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Labplot tutorial? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:37:43 -0000 I'd like to be able to use this to plot some data and hopefully use it to plot stuff out of scilab, but its use seems to be escaping the grasp of ordinary humans :) Does anyone know of any straightforward tutorials that exist for this application at all? Cheers From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 26 10:56:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3154D14A for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:56:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vb0-x232.google.com (mail-vb0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c02::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E936F242F for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:56:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f50.google.com with SMTP id 10so3667822vbe.23 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 02:56:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=FQTFjrO3Otfy0AcZUAiwUjpbVv/CC0Dm/ID6kmbRZ98=; b=uiSzrB4V6L16xxHxyNQkAVzZXwyr2kOkwI07QfM8jLbYKdI8NHLIZks2kCysyeo4Px 6Trb9uLA6beeFb3g4Txcju4/dGvhl7InyBy1Bpkzya8VIOnGdEpTt57p9P7wSqklHCS2 4rZko163ME3rSIGDpWzO3JTCqn9TU/kPBYwUOqxFEcpNbAnqhx8rI2PwzFPRJrxJFE5c IXZ+jZd3Z3G7t13DN2HOnSGPycNFTj0iSz4kwpJ30VR3ovDKIRpjboSTw2wXWPwQkvmh Iv8c/ueIR7Bye6acj9GvyLgbRsXA3Gnv6Cuuy7Gve9KlsTbjDmUHZ7xY7//ugLAaeahm CQgg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.67.168 with SMTP id o8mr6454207vet.22.1385463390575; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 02:56:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.231.167 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 02:56:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5293EB36.9000303@petermann-it.de> References: <5293C7F7.6040503@d2ux.org> <5293EB36.9000303@petermann-it.de> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:56:30 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD9.2: Tomcat process with very high memory allocation From: Anton Sayetsky To: Matthias Petermann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:56:32 -0000 The best way to know this is looking at the top source code. :) But even this will not show you what amount of memory process can eat because it can call malloc() at any time and get more memory. Of course, you can: 1. Use integrated limits similar to that in PHP, Java, if application supports them. 2. Calculate maximum memory usage if footprint is known. For example, lzma-based archiver will allocate about 11*dictionary_size memory for compression in worst case. 3. Set system limit in login.conf. The second is preferred. If this impossible, you can use first (but this can have negative effects). Third is the worst way - it can crash the application. App says: "Kernel, give me two additional megabytes of memory", and kernel will respond: "I don't have any free memory" even if the actual free memory amount is very large 2013/11/26, Matthias Petermann : > Hello Anton, > > On 11/25/2013 11:08 PM, Anton Sayetsky wrote: > >> There is _no_ problem. Tomcat has 9 GiB of virtual memory and 439 MiB >> of resident. >> The actual amount of really used mem is 439 MiB. >> Virtual contains all memory that theoretically can be used (but NOT >> allocated at a point of time in contrast of res) by process, all >> shared libraries that it used etc etc. In practice, virt memory shows >> nothing helpful. >> You should take a look on only resident memory of processes in most >> cases. >> http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com/2009/10/what-is-difference-among-virt-res-and.html > > Just for curiosity - is there a way to display all (theoretically) used > virtual memory of a process? So I'd like to understand how it calculates > the total size shown in top. > > Many thanks in advance. > > Best regards, > Matthias > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 26 12:27:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE832477 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:27:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr003msr.fastwebnet.it (mr003msr.fastwebnet.it [85.18.95.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1DB29B1 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:27:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server1.fuckaround.org (93.49.16.11) by mr003msr.fastwebnet.it (8.5.140.03) (authenticated as secsec@fastwebnet.it) id 5285E002009BA652 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:24:42 +0100 Received: by server1.fuckaround.org (Postfix, from userid 133) id C768884A988; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:24:41 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on server1.fuckaround.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Received: from seashell.org (unknown [10.10.10.17]) by server1.fuckaround.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F73D84A985 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:24:39 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5294932D.9030801@fuckaround.org> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:25:17 +0100 From: Pol Hallen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20131005 Icedove/17.0.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: exclude x11 from ports installation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:27:08 -0000 Hi all, to exclude from ports installation any x11 ports, is it enought add these lines to /etc/make.conf? WITHOUT_X11=yes WITHOUT_X=yes WITH_X=NO ENABLE_GUI=NO thanks! Pol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 26 18:25:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94C5C643; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-x22d.google.com (mail-yh0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E40622E7; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f45.google.com with SMTP id v1so3231553yhn.32 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:25:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type; bh=QkVx903EsgyhjO3ZVNePaGx+ZAa5+ALythnEOh0ggqU=; b=mBEhOONmXfq3CRopBXnx8KATHi0QsX/vSJXXL6escpCkfD9arYDMUy5HFNt7WaWa2X dq+YTcq3l4oHbh/wX8ZHPgHGRnVSn8nsGNFLPZGWCmFMegW+FI8kM9zPHqMgUVZq2mL8 hLyjoS6YZNFdbVkX8GyMrfk0YvN0sLkK4mzo+0AtT9ayCpuwzocr0aIqBdj/sHQxTucH q3ncPu9HSjeL0Fu3heAtSoh57B4Dz7hMlDThm/ydIbooX34e2U2wAjKTUf/A8tBMDGlH 16LnXJ3YgEfxMZDWzjZI203C4Y4ug8LvP1BzTm13+lpYZunDS8BJtAtCTP/59TSI0Lzp alEA== X-Received: by 10.236.207.200 with SMTP id n48mr3031808yho.99.1385490318481; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:25:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from lumiwa.farms.net (pool-70-105-224-61.port.east.myfairpoint.net. 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On FreeBSD 10.0-BETA3 #0 r257580: Sun Nov 3 19:43:01 UTC 2013 root@snap.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 I got after update pkg to 1.2_1: portmaster -a ===>>> Gathering distinfo list for installed ports pkg: pkg: Warning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'FreeBSD' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fixingWarning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'FreeBSD' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fixing pkg: Warning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'FreeBSD' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fixing pkg: Warning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'FreeBSD' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fixing pkg: Warning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'FreeBSD' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fixing pkg: Warning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'FreeBSD' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fixing ===>>> Starting check of installed ports for available updates pkg: Warning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'FreeBSD' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fixing pkg: Warning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'FreeBSD' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fixing pkg: Warning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'FreeBSD' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fixing Thank you... -- Mitja ------- http://www.redbubble.com/people.lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 26 20:01:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60860F2C for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:01:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBADD28FB for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:01:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.2.117.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id rAQK1Cu6000708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:01:12 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk rAQK1Cu6000708 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1385496072; bh=iy464+Wl70mZdu5VimB/qNfzajuhaUrNjjmRx82aua8=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; z=Date:=20Tue,=2026=20Nov=202013=2020:01:11=20+0000|From:=20Matthew =20Seaman=20|To:=20freebsd-questi ons@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20pkg=201.2_1|References:=20<189459 2.P4B1yXKRe7@lumiwa.farms.net>|In-Reply-To:=20<1894592.P4B1yXKRe7@ lumiwa.farms.net>; b=ykZENOiWim+C3wH5TtVHbaYrQ7/c6lz+V4knCF0KtAbHgKLWJSjPahGHTOaTwXRtT h1ZQvZdmuwIhpDAmQDqlDan6xoarZgwKdrYVFqu0Htr3aCpMo5tH9uJ2mE/rq4Nsxe sT6cmI3n86M/c8DeMWoiJZsUgKbioRqIcXtJ84RQ= Message-ID: <5294FE07.9000802@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:01:11 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkg 1.2_1 References: <1894592.P4B1yXKRe7@lumiwa.farms.net> In-Reply-To: <1894592.P4B1yXKRe7@lumiwa.farms.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 OpenPGP: id=E7F39EBF Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PFNC9pA5NVi6wFJLfEOipq0iNmigmvV2E" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:01:17 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --PFNC9pA5NVi6wFJLfEOipq0iNmigmvV2E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 26/11/2013 18:25, Ajtim wrote: > Hi! >=20 > On FreeBSD 10.0-BETA3 #0 r257580: Sun Nov 3 19:43:01 UTC 2013 root= @snap.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 I got after update = pkg to 1.2_1: >=20 > portmaster -a > =3D=3D=3D>>> Gathering distinfo list for installed ports >=20 > pkg: pkg: Warning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'Fr= eeBSD' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fix= ingWarning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'FreeBSD' re= po, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fixing >=20 > pkg: Warning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'FreeBSD= ' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fixing > pkg: Warning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'FreeBSD= ' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fixing > pkg: Warning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'FreeBSD= ' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fixing > pkg: Warning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'FreeBSD= ' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fixing > =3D=3D=3D>>> Starting check of installed ports for available updates > pkg: Warning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'FreeBSD= ' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fixing > pkg: Warning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'FreeBSD= ' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fixing > pkg: Warning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'FreeBSD= ' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fixing >=20 > Thank you... In pkg.conf or any pkg/repos/repo.conf instead of saying eg. DISABLE_MTREE : "YES" say instead: DISABLE_MTREE : YES ie. without the quote marks. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 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References: <20131126073256.GC788@lena.kiev> <52946150.2060505@rawbw.com> <20131126095907.05990916.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20131126095907.05990916.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:32:30 -0000 On 11/26/2013 00:59, Polytropon wrote: > Is xdm (and as far as I know, also wdm) still an exception > from the "rc.conf rule", or how is it supposed to be started > on "more modern" versions? This is the matter of adding the missing rc script, IMO. Preferably as an xorg PR. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 26 20:55:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A651E7F6 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:55:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 667CC2CAF for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:55:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VlPfG-00055n-J5 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 21:55:22 +0100 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginm.net ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 21:55:22 +0100 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginm.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 21:55:22 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Subject: Re: What is the "thinnest" display manager available? Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: < 20131126073256.GC788@lena.kiev> <52946150.2060505@rawbw.com> < 20131126095907.05990916.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginm.net User-Agent: Pan/0.139 (Sexual Chocolate; GIT bf56508 git://git.gnome.org/pan2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:55:34 -0000 On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:59:07 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > Source: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-xdm.html > > Allow me to ask the following question: > > Is xdm (and as far as I know, also wdm) still an exception from the > "rc.conf rule", or how is it supposed to be started on "more modern" > versions? I'd be interested in the answer to that too, as I use XDM on ttyv8 per the handbook, and it has been faultless for me. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 26 21:10:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E8DDE11 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 21:10:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-x233.google.com (mail-yh0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8A532DE5 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 21:10:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f51.google.com with SMTP id c41so2880672yho.10 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:10:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-type; bh=q0T4COlxFnPVg/P4TAmXztto0gYWrVVX4seXb9ZH2+s=; b=RiheZvQfgWKs3L742ELOcrNecLBDoLQfseb+/jWhs5Kl8cr4uhEHhpCaUnNE66Jzg7 SsyZxAvdLom+CMWkLcHT1oh4Wxh+xLn78DDisDM6gmt3+OUTRqJNodLXmfqbaCEhPxC2 oc0zZSpPSb0781T0Tvr69ayHLkdOA5v60n3jyZ/CGlRtoZUKbqlShjLhv+xpRW9Di+HT UJeSOvtu9a1HDGuBAYEpYNjfug6wNzCe8NS0OYEAPTb4VKIjxIQTWqpWS/Yxt3mnyMTO MoY9SahF7Wez4pc1+6PkvwGTUuKv76tB7+bNHRzRewjdFS3EhDrF2Utkosi/m9wycLRK 5PnQ== X-Received: by 10.236.30.133 with SMTP id k5mr1031505yha.187.1385500230908; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:10:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from lumiwa.farms.net (pool-70-105-224-61.port.east.myfairpoint.net. [70.105.224.61]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d26sm85291012yhj.25.2013.11.26.13.10.28 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:10:29 -0800 (PST) From: Ajtim To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkg 1.2_1 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 16:10:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1610762.Utv25mmpbn@lumiwa.farms.net> User-Agent: KMail/4.11.3 (FreeBSD/10.0-BETA3; KDE/4.11.3; amd64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <5294FE07.9000802@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <1894592.P4B1yXKRe7@lumiwa.farms.net> <5294FE07.9000802@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 21:10:32 -0000 On Tuesday 26 November 2013 20:01:11 Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 26/11/2013 18:25, Ajtim wrote: > > Hi! > > > > On FreeBSD 10.0-BETA3 #0 r257580: Sun Nov 3 19:43:01 UTC 2013 root@snap.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 I got after update pkg to 1.2_1: > > > > portmaster -a > > ===>>> Gathering distinfo list for installed ports > > > > pkg: pkg: Warning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'FreeBSD' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fixingWarning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'FreeBSD' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fixing > > > > pkg: Warning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'FreeBSD' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fixing > > pkg: Warning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'FreeBSD' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fixing > > pkg: Warning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'FreeBSD' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fixing > > pkg: Warning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'FreeBSD' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fixing > > ===>>> Starting check of installed ports for available updates > > pkg: Warning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'FreeBSD' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fixing > > pkg: Warning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'FreeBSD' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fixing > > pkg: Warning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the 'FreeBSD' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please consider fixing > > > > Thank you... > > In pkg.conf or any pkg/repos/repo.conf instead of saying eg. > > DISABLE_MTREE : "YES" > > say instead: > > DISABLE_MTREE : YES > > ie. without the quote marks. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > I don't have any pkg.cnf or repo.conf but in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf I did enabled: yes Thank you. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 27 16:25:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E5C2D7 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:25:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pi.nmdps.net (pi.nmdps.net [IPv6:2a01:be00:10:201:0:80:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C753729E2 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:25:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pi.nmdps.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: krichy@cflinux.hu) by pi.nmdps.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C060F125E for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 17:25:49 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 17:25:47 +0100 From: krichy@cflinux.hu To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Fwd: Re: ssd for zfs Message-ID: <3ed476ffcc57b303380c3d6c2b293381@cflinux.hu> X-Sender: krichy@cflinux.hu User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.9.5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:25:51 -0000 Dear users, I am facing with a problem that my new SSD seems to behave on freebsd as its write cache had been turned off. And I could not make it enabled. Under linux, if I attach it to a ZFS pool as a log device, the pool can reach around 1400 write IOPS, but the same under freebsd is just only 100 IOPS. Under linux I could disable the write cache, when the performance also dropped to 100 IOPS. The device itself handles the write cache well, so I would like to use it with that enabled. Any advice, where to go? What to debug? The SSD is an STEC MACH16 SLC 50GB SSD. FreeBSD is a 9.2-STABLE, up-to-date. Thanks in advance, -------- Eredeti üzenet -------- Tárgy: Fwd: Re: ssd for zfs Dátum: 2013-11-27 15:14 Feladó: krichy@cflinux.hu Címzett: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org -------- Eredeti üzenet -------- Tárgy: Re: ssd for zfs Dátum: 2013-11-27 14:07 Feladó: Richard Kojedzinszky Címzett: Tom Evans Másolat: FreeBSD FS Dear FS devs, After some investigation, it turned out that when I turn write-cache off under linux, the performance drops to 100 on that OS also. But when enabled, 1400 IOPS (synchronous) can be achieved. So I would like to see the same on FreeBSD as well. Using camcontrol shows that the write cache is enabled, but I may assume that something around this is causing the performance degradation. But unfortunately I cannot step forward right now. Regards, Kojedzinszky Richard On Wed, 27 Nov 2013, Tom Evans wrote: > On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Richard Kojedzinszky > wrote: >> Dear fs developers, >> >> Probably this is not the best list to report my issue, but please >> forward it >> to where it should get. >> >> I bought an SSD for my ZFS filesystem to use it as a ZIL. I've tested >> it >> under linux, and found that it can handle around 1400 random >> synchronized >> write IOPS. Then I placed it into my freebsd 9.2 box, and after >> attaching it >> as a ZIL, my zpool only performs 100 (!) write iops. I've attached it >> to an >> AHCI controller and to an LSI 1068 controller, on both it behaves the >> same. >> So I expect that something in the scsi layer is different, FreeBSD is >> handling this device slower, but actually it can handle the 1400 iops >> as >> tested under linux. >> >> Please give some advice where to go, how to debug, and how to improve >> FreeBSD's performance with this drive. >> > > The ZIL is only used for synchronous writes. The majority of writes > are asynchronous, and the ZIL is not used at all. Plus, a ZIL can only > increase iops by bundling writes - if your underlying pool is write > saturated already, then a ZIL can't help - any data written to the ZIL > has to end up on the pool. > > Test the SSD by itself under FreeBSD to rule out FreeBSD not working > correctly on the SSD (I doubt this though). > > Cheers > > Tom > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 27 17:34:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63AF763E for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 17:34:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from glory.vmeta.jp (7c2952d4.i-revonet.jp [124.41.82.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342132D22 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 17:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ssl.vmeta.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by glory.vmeta.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDF9519; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 02:34:03 +0900 (JST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 02:34:03 +0900 From: Koichiro IWAO To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: chromium inside the jail Message-ID: <65e0f759da27c85615f3190a5e48f8bb@vmeta.jp> X-Sender: meta@vmeta.jp User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.9.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 17:34:12 -0000 Hello, How can I set kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed=1 in side the jail? Chromium requires that to work correctly but sysctl says "operation not permitted". -- `whois vmeta.jp | nkf -w` meta From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 27 22:42:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA5E27D5 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 22:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891332090 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 22:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.yuri.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rARMgkNe084524; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:42:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <52967566.2010108@rawbw.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:42:46 -0800 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon Subject: Re: What is the "thinnest" display manager available? References: <5293C1D4.3010608@rawbw.com> <20131126035706.a04de661.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20131126035706.a04de661.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 22:42:52 -0000 Polytropon, Thank you for taking time and writing up such detailed instructions! Will use them. Regards, Yuri On 11/25/2013 18:57, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:32:04 -0800, Yuri wrote: >> I want to have as few packages installed as possible, and I want to use >> small window manager (dwm). But what is the thinnest display manager >> available? I know kdm and gdm both work, but both pull a ton of >> dependencies which I don't want. > I'd say the classic xdm won't be a bad choice: it's common, > secure, easy to use, and fast. If you're using WindowMaker > for one or more accounts on your system, maybe wdm isn't > a bad choice. > > However, xdm and wdm are started by an entry in /etc/ttys. > > > >> Features required: >> * automatic start (through /etc/rc.conf) >> * automatically run xorg and window manager of choice >> * automatically login a particular user >> * not many or no dependencies >> >> What is the smallest display manager that qualifies? > If I understand your requirements correct, "no display manager" > would be a possible answer. You want to automatically login a > particular user? You don't even need a display manager then. > A display manager works similarly to login: ask for a user name > and a password, then run the appropriate startup shell and > scripts. For auto-login, this is not required. > > > >> Or maybe there is an easy way to run xorg + WM with some simple shell >> script? Anything like this ready to use? > Everything for this task is present in the base system, it just > requires a few steps. I'll provide a little howto in case this > is what you need (refactored from an earlier post I wrote to > that list). > > > > Step 1: > > In /etc/gettytab, > > autologin:\ > :al=:tc=Pc: > > is to be placed _after_ the "default:" entry. This step defines > the "getty profile" for an automated login with the username > "olivares" as associated to the "al=" parameter. Also note > the "tc=" parameter which incorporates the default "Pc" > settings (that you can encounter in the next step's working > file). Here, is the user you want to be logged in > automatically. > > > > Step 2: > > In /etc/ttys, the line for ttyv0 is to be changed like this: > > ttyv0 "/usr/libexec/getty autologin" cons25l1 on secure > > This instructs the "getty" program to use the "autologin > profile" at system startup and automatically log in the > user (see step 1). > > Attention: Maybe you need a different console configuration; > "cons25" is the system's default. In Germany, I have to use > cons25l1 for the local magic. :-) > > Make sure you _don't_ have a line calling xdm here - maybe this > causes conflicts. > > > > Step 3: > > In /home/ (or where $HOME is located for that user), > make ~/.login end in > > [ ! -f /tmp/.X0-lock ] && startx > > For bash, this would go to ~/.bash_login. Other shells may > have different startup files; see "man sh", "man csh", > "man bash" and "man " for details. > > To become independent from the actual login shell, you can > write this command into a script that is executable by the > user, e. g. "chmod +x /opt/bin/autostartx"; if you have > /opt/bin in $PATH, you just need to call "autostartx" in > the correct startup file. Then _any_ shell startup script > could contain the call that script, like this: > > #!/bin/sh > [ ! -f /tmp/.X0-lock ] && startx > exec $0 > > You can also make this script local to your user in ~/bin, > maybe you already have that in $PATH. > > Attention: This _might_ get you into an "infinite loop" if > something is _really_ wrong. :-) > > You can even modify the script to _restart_ X if it should > have crashed, so you don't fall back to the console in > case of a severe error (and enter "startx" again). > > > > Step 4 (optional): > > In order to combine the use of xdm (or other DMs) and the > different system shells, for your user account there can be > some additional settings. > > In ~/.xsession, put > > #!/bin/csh > source ~/.cshrc > exec ~/.xinitrc > > This file will be executed in case xdm is used. I am using the > C shell as a dialog shell here, so this makes sure my shell > settings get incorporated. Then control will be given to the > .xinitrc file, usually executed when you run "startx", but > xdm _may_ have a different opinion. > > In ~/.xinitrc, put all your X startup stuff. > > #!/bin/sh > [ -f ~/.xmodmaprc ] && xmodmap ~/.xmodmaprc > #xrandr --fb 1400x1050 > #xrandr --size 1400x1050 > intclock -geometry 186x65+151-0 & > xload -geometry 150x70+0+826 -bg white -fg black -hl gray \ > -scale 5 -label "System load" -update 1 & > xmbmon -g 150x100+0+897 -tmin 20.0 -tmax 70.0 -cmtmb CPU \ > -cltmb blue -cmtcpu CS -cltcpu cyan -cmtcs SYS \ > -cltcs green -vmin 2.0 -vmax 3.0 -cmvc V -clvc red & > xclock -geometry 50x50+50+998 & > xbiff -geometry 50x50+0+998 & > xlogo -geometry 50x50+100+998 -render & > xcpufreq -geometry 183x167+151+826 -cpuscalecolor grey \ > -freqscalecolor grey -scales 6 -update 1 -jumpscroll 1 & > xterm -geometry 80x25+0+465 -class NOCLOSE_TERMINAL -fg black \ > -bg beige -title Terminal & > xsetroot -solid rgb:3b/4c/7a > xset b 100 1000 15 & > xset r rate 250 30 & > xset s off & > xset -dpms & > exec wmaker > > The first line (#!) is optional. I'm not fully sure if those > files have to be +x attributes (I _have_ those settings, no idea > where they came from and why they are still here). But it works, > so I don't question it. :-) > > The last line, "exec", contains the call to the desired window > manager. Maybe the file just needs to be as short as maybe > > #!/bin/sh > exec startxfce4 > > to do everything you need. > > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 27 23:24:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 004BEBC for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 23:24:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rdsmtp.iglou.com (rdsmtp.iglou.com [192.107.41.63]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68B9364 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 23:24:42 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=iglou.com; s=alpha; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=ApuUs0EnNw4cM+SOz6+dyl8Gv1z9at3Bq6jA3iPg1fM=; b=uggWAzNGd112zME6+z1/MysRDKwhQUPxDN+sKmIdLD+V86eOa9Cy/CcfaVc2TRJSokUrLINYmJe6X5tqX01irHrjhh0sri7SdYj/uG5VKsIMcc+l2FIitoqaSM1GrcPv+Rv0ZeoQFQqi/sI6twgct4CBJiTAmFweBGhIB5Z69Bc=; Received: from iglou2.iglou.com ([192.107.41.8]:49308 helo=mail.iglou.com) by rdsmtp.iglou.com with esmtpa (Exim MTA/8.19.3) (envelope-from ) id 1Vlo9P-0002A8-Gg by authid with igloumta_auth for questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 18:04:07 -0500 Received: from shell1.iglou.com ([192.107.41.17]:54066 helo=shell1) by mail.iglou.com with esmtps (TLS cipher TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim MTA/8.19.3) (envelope-from ) id 1Vlo9P-0006N4-3W for questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 18:04:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 18:04:06 -0500 (EST) From: Darrel X-X-Sender: levitch@shell1 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: build kernel with wrong link problem Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (GSO 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Originating-IP: 192.107.41.17 X-IgLou-Customer: 3cb6f76205bd20f518810676a67a982b X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 23:24:43 -0000 Updating BSD from recollection seems to have not been the best option, this time. After navigating to /usr/src/kernels I ran 'ln -s /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf' and here is the output: !-- /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf: Too many levels of symbolic links. Running 'chmod 0751 conf' from /usr/src/sys/amd64 does not fix it. What have I forgotten? Darrel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 27 23:50:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7AE84CE for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 23:50:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qe0-x236.google.com (mail-qe0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c02::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A894A6C8 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 23:50:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qe0-f54.google.com with SMTP id cy11so6461681qeb.41 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 15:50:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=fTqVAjXhpWm5Q60KhmBV0m6Q73PfXvQWZdymfoT8mmA=; b=VvaFJfJ3CHU73mMdDNvRUWvE3JXw/eHzeJSa35cnwUSBuscOJyNScVTBPJBPgfZSg6 NlPb+E0imin9IlRjcAF3Zd3SsCTs2jFCn1i+1AkNRvtegI5s7Cnzzs2FI2eOSM43Gtwt xHORZMR5uJK1v2IwW8hP8W5q03n+gfEg6yuLVlkQLjB2ioVSiakWAJ5KX6itJC6VoI9G fR5xhwoVEGzOvuRK0iPT77E92lNKrMWZWy/SmmMmyE9p+Tjeozcg7lDYs+GU831WDLPh wwnFguReOM0Qe7HanW0DIA3vXdbvrAUTA48+/ecvrfvIWtpYpAdGDnuzY5MK+jqsW4G5 kyBg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.98.200 with SMTP id r8mr72043922qan.26.1385596234834; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 15:50:34 -0800 (PST) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.224.53.200 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 15:50:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <65e0f759da27c85615f3190a5e48f8bb@vmeta.jp> References: <65e0f759da27c85615f3190a5e48f8bb@vmeta.jp> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 15:50:34 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: mf6f9OMpyxqwDEYYy5kcS0BozkI Message-ID: Subject: Re: chromium inside the jail From: Adrian Chadd To: Koichiro IWAO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 23:50:36 -0000 On 27 November 2013 09:34, Koichiro IWAO wrote: > Hello, > > How can I set kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed=1 in side the jail? > Chromium requires that to work correctly but sysctl says > "operation not permitted". Isn't it a global setting you do in the machine root itself, not the jail? -a From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 28 00:15:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C0A98B2; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 00:15:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from glory.vmeta.jp (7c2952d4.i-revonet.jp [124.41.82.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CCB828; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 00:15:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from icepick.vmeta.jp (softbank126005049169.bbtec.net [126.5.49.169]) by glory.vmeta.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 13477A56; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:15:16 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:15:12 +0900 From: Koichiro IWAO To: Adrian Chadd Subject: Re: chromium inside the jail Message-ID: <20131128001512.GA59354@icepick.vmeta.jp> References: <65e0f759da27c85615f3190a5e48f8bb@vmeta.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 9.2-STABLE amd64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.22 (2013-10-16) Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 00:15:19 -0000 On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 03:50:34PM -0800, Adrian Chadd wrote: > Isn't it a global setting you do in the machine root itself, not the jail? You're right however chromium window whiteouts and nothing's drawn. This behaviour is as same as if kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed is set to 0. I've checked sysctl inside the jail, kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed is actually set to 1. If it doesn't matter, what can I do next? -- `whois vmeta.jp | nkf -w` meta From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 28 01:25:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B5B2E8 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 01:25:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-x245.google.com (mail-ie0-x245.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::245]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BFC8AF1 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 01:25:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f197.google.com with SMTP id e14so25645968iej.8 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 17:25:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:message-id:date:subject:from:to:content-type; 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X-Originating-IP: 192.107.41.17 X-IgLou-Customer: 3cb6f76205bd20f518810676a67a982b X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:04:49 -0000 I can not recall how to unlink a directory. Installed a FreeBSD10 system from memory and when making the kernel link went to /root/kernels and linked rather than /usr/src/sys/amd64. Now I have this: (120) @ 4:01:40> ls -L conf conf (121) @ 4:01:43> ls -P conf conf (122) @ 4:01:56> ll conf lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 24B Nov 24 22:57 conf@ -> /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/ (123) @ 4:02:09> pwd /usr/src/sys/amd64 (124) @ 4:04:22> cd conf conf: Too many levels of symbolic links. Darrel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 28 09:15:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BDAB6CC for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:15:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3B9A1FBA for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:15:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ox-dell39.ox.adestra.com (no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id rAS9EpPO032992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:14:56 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk rAS9EpPO032992 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1385630096; bh=SLiATgJESagssvbT7p8zQU4V6N7TkdK4S6TD1Wq3XTg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; z=Date:=20Thu,=2028=20Nov=202013=2009:14:42=20+0000|From:=20Matthew =20Seaman=20|To:=20freebsd-questi ons@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20unlink=20a=20directory|References :=20|In-Reply-To:=20; b=OgEOaI1PSvWUX9XLnvl2PQBjMTsISo3LQ/Fwc8D+Rf+ULeHOpwOaZ3ecP8Nw25jto cIa6lDX7ekSN6vBftE5vKyXj4x9x0fIGTYrj6N9WoE0MW8Vy5buAUM9mktrOqYSRzE pwkQInlthWt0vpSwStKv8kFkTeBG0gycTcmlZsdk= X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged) claimed to be ox-dell39.ox.adestra.com Message-ID: <52970982.6020000@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:14:42 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: unlink a directory References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5RiaXrHWORjt2lUl9qeSnLRr3ETFiTfFb" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:15:01 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --5RiaXrHWORjt2lUl9qeSnLRr3ETFiTfFb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/28/13 09:04, Darrel wrote: > I can not recall how to unlink a directory. Installed a FreeBSD10 > system from memory and when making the kernel link went to /root/kernel= s > and linked rather than /usr/src/sys/amd64. >=20 > Now I have this: >=20 > (120) @ 4:01:40> ls -L conf > conf > (121) @ 4:01:43> ls -P conf > conf > (122) @ 4:01:56> ll conf > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 24B Nov 24 22:57 conf@ -> > /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/ > (123) @ 4:02:09> pwd > /usr/src/sys/amd64 > (124) @ 4:04:22> cd conf > conf: Too many levels of symbolic links. It's a symbolic link, not a directory. # cd /usr/src/sys/amd64 # rm conf =2E.. but /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf should be a real directory with useful contents. I'd advise you to recover that part of the system sources by use of svn or freebsd-update or whatever. Cheers, Matthew --5RiaXrHWORjt2lUl9qeSnLRr3ETFiTfFb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJSlwmKXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQxOUYxNTRFQ0JGMTEyRTUwNTQ0RTNGMzAw MDUxM0YxMEUwQTlFNEU3AAoJEABRPxDgqeTnlQsP+wcwPof324Bv0tKCtyJm8ct5 KeGUfDAZOvc1K3OIJCa9PQfNj8M979wT/ctQXH/lGlgsIXwBbq+9FRT7CHjgGIUC Mw1RWUJGmgi6RjIih9rbEnOylgU+RAOtZoLlI6o/9zPp56Xly+HB2GF62pGYA/8C aKW3EVTXR2cZ1vtbIIg2WcuqsMw1qWIdnDDbRWagATW+wy8kkOGFOh9JltUQPu+K PD0aDBzFqciDFkryv5sznoLUSiIvAaNMksIwSgQGSZDdW+4Bv+HT7J4BZbmoF+co mK3oqdqvvUDsJp+Kt4irpLZcFBUWnKlaeSCtj88fUEeqmniVxjZruRIm8mcYsshO GJxxM4RqOqFKrv7NIl4AQxG4iMAL8WELAbiZvELFtPTH0js8EjPjaymc59QxPDFB PmiFU5Bv3/x9Of4X+BmCk8ku3qQr2v1r1jwO2a0v/rY15gPYtja56sFgY22+pCiF l3UKmVkLAAjEfXFJ56SHUT9hCFOBstE3MMljLQuKDbn17RkyspV1d6/bOZhDCZKZ pVQlPj85EW11+923DVbNW3U8QnBBtsCojTpRUGG66kdFHqXA7pVQb66er8hNAAGg Qv8Ag4dQSGkzt7loZZ8gK+jz2g10SgsCso3xguHuwgGnGXL1yt8XC5GjkHmQm/YG olef+sS9rBmQ1WET/b6V =zVRy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5RiaXrHWORjt2lUl9qeSnLRr3ETFiTfFb-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 28 09:32:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EA32C8E for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:32:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rdsmtp.iglou.com (rdsmtp.iglou.com [192.107.41.63]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E303510CC for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:32:30 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=iglou.com; s=alpha; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=Igg2jmMEdh0dZ4mMdtVifnU/mh9M6zEzCcaeALFjvac=; b=SUILMrwC0Es4TvMyiUjYHyT80Oo2jkDjiU9Ml0rk/CbNO9ob847SIlODGsGBNwJEkuDatFEKLWpF8TpIADWmSpLaITxNT+bTQttjTuGbZTmaHXWm9+MqwwrWwVnPFujBFc5Cx+uj6oM+9FXQwodEHbcG7pQKAJ0/K8g7gVCfWCI=; Received: from iglou3.iglou.com ([192.107.41.6]:53867 helo=mail.iglou.com) by rdsmtp.iglou.com with esmtpa (Exim MTA/8.19.3) (envelope-from ) id 1VlxxW-0006fk-Gs by authid with igloumta_auth for questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 04:32:30 -0500 Received: from shell1.iglou.com ([192.107.41.17]:56450 helo=shell1) by mail.iglou.com with esmtps (TLS cipher TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim MTA/8.19.3) (envelope-from ) id 1VlxxW-0002T9-4v for questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 04:32:30 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 04:32:29 -0500 (EST) From: Darrel X-X-Sender: levitch@shell1 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: [solved]: build kernel with wrong link problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (GSO 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Originating-IP: 192.107.41.17 X-IgLou-Customer: 3cb6f76205bd20f518810676a67a982b X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:32:31 -0000 > > After navigating to /usr/src/kernels I ran 'ln -s /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf' > and here is the output: > !-- > /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf: Too many levels of symbolic links. > > I deleted conf and ran svn for an update. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 28 10:19:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F27E7A47 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:19:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5FE21363 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:19:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-106-241.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.106.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A002146C0; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:19:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rAS9JXbg002143; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:19:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:19:33 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Darrel Subject: Re: unlink a directory Message-Id: <20131128101933.6356eea4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:19:22 -0000 On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 04:04:47 -0500 (EST), Darrel wrote: > I can not recall how to unlink a directory. Installed a FreeBSD10 system > from memory and when making the kernel link went to /root/kernels and > linked rather than /usr/src/sys/amd64. > > Now I have this: > > (120) @ 4:01:40> ls -L conf > conf > (121) @ 4:01:43> ls -P conf > conf > (122) @ 4:01:56> ll conf > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 24B Nov 24 22:57 conf@ -> > /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/ > (123) @ 4:02:09> pwd > /usr/src/sys/amd64 > (124) @ 4:04:22> cd conf > conf: Too many levels of symbolic links. If I understand this correctly, you have: /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf -> /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/ So /usr/src/sys/amd64> cd conf will result in an attempt to cd to /usr/src/sys/amd64/(conf=/usr/src/sys/amd64/)(conf=/usr/src/sys/amd64/)... This obviously looks wrong. :-) Probably you should try to remove the conf@ symlink (note: just a symbolic link, not a "real" directory!) by invoking /usr/src/sys/amd64> rm conf or /usr/src/sys/amd64> unlink conf With "man unlink" you'll see that the rm and unlink commands can easily remove a symbolik link. :-) If this _fails_, you can try the following, which is a little bit dangerous and you should know what you're doing: Use a live system or single user mode (/usr partition _not_ mounted), and call # fdsb Then in this program, navigate to /usr/src/sys/amd64 (or to /src/sys/amd64 if /usr is on its own parition), for example by cd /src/sys/amd64 and then use the del conf command. When the change has been writte to the file system, perform a file system check # fsck Then you should be able to mount it again. Note again: This is an extremely dirty method! See "man fsdb" for details. But I assume you won't have to do this. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 28 10:50:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AAF02D4 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:50:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rdsmtp.iglou.com (rdsmtp.iglou.com [192.107.41.63]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B48215B2 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:50:14 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=iglou.com; s=alpha; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Subject:cc:To:From:Date; bh=nTpNBr3xFBkaiurNJAqBuAEPGx8owCfwXrVz0844JHo=; b=anp7bAmGweFXXWUm8UEIbbnLHeOAaxIZcJzb9rj5XbL8OkAtDICKtOH0R9GzcsRELlQqe9IC9+UA6vSM+TWHtxjrwAM3TSO7c2/Z1RmrgW7by3gbRspxEgrjDpZV2qwE5ORiq7tHGzdFZRE+U4YQA32H29JIBh0xQdm7R+nO3vM=; Received: from iglou2.iglou.com ([192.107.41.8]:39789 helo=mail.iglou.com) by rdsmtp.iglou.com with esmtpa (Exim MTA/8.19.3) (envelope-from ) id 1VlzAj-0005bG-Ly by authid with igloumta_auth for questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 05:50:13 -0500 Received: from shell1.iglou.com ([192.107.41.17]:56535 helo=shell1) by mail.iglou.com with esmtps (TLS cipher TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim MTA/8.19.3) (envelope-from ) id 1VlzAj-0005SZ-8M; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 05:50:13 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 05:50:13 -0500 (EST) From: Darrel X-X-Sender: levitch@shell1 To: Polytropon Subject: [solved]: unlink a directory In-Reply-To: <20131128101933.6356eea4.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20131128101933.6356eea4.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (GSO 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Originating-IP: 192.107.41.17 X-IgLou-Customer: 3cb6f76205bd20f518810676a67a982b Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:50:14 -0000 >> I can not recall how to unlink a directory. Installed a FreeBSD10 system >> from memory and when making the kernel link went to /root/kernels and >> linked rather than /usr/src/sys/amd64. >> >> Now I have this: >> >> (120) @ 4:01:40> ls -L conf >> conf >> (121) @ 4:01:43> ls -P conf >> conf >> (122) @ 4:01:56> ll conf >> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 24B Nov 24 22:57 conf@ -> >> /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/ >> (123) @ 4:02:09> pwd >> /usr/src/sys/amd64 >> (124) @ 4:04:22> cd conf >> conf: Too many levels of symbolic links. > > If I understand this correctly, you have: > > /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf -> /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/ > > So > > /usr/src/sys/amd64> cd conf > > will result in an attempt to cd to > > /usr/src/sys/amd64/(conf=/usr/src/sys/amd64/)(conf=/usr/src/sys/amd64/)... > > This obviously looks wrong. :-) > > > > Probably you should try to remove the conf@ symlink (note: > just a symbolic link, not a "real" directory!) by invoking > > /usr/src/sys/amd64> rm conf > > or > > /usr/src/sys/amd64> unlink conf > > With "man unlink" you'll see that the rm and unlink commands > can easily remove a symbolik link. :-) > > > > If this _fails_, you can try the following, which is a little bit > dangerous and you should know what you're doing: Use a live system > or single user mode (/usr partition _not_ mounted), and call > > # fdsb > > Then in this program, navigate to /usr/src/sys/amd64 (or to > /src/sys/amd64 if /usr is on its own parition), for example by > > cd /src/sys/amd64 > > and then use the > > del conf > > command. When the change has been writte to the file system, > perform a file system check > > # fsck > > Then you should be able to mount it again. > > Note again: This is an extremely dirty method! See "man fsdb" > for details. > > But I assume you won't have to do this. > Thank you- great information! The rm command solved it. I ran 'man un' and 'man ul'- probably should have ran 'apropos unlink'. I have a couple of systems up running ZFS. This time I noticed that the developers had put an "experimental" 'ZFS Root' into the system install. I chose 'mirror'. Other than my typing problem to make a kernel, so far I had to create a directory- seems like the systeminstall did not account entirely for ZFS mirror: # cd bootpool (162) @ 5:37:39> mkdir -p boot/kernel Then the kernel installed. Darrel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 28 12:27:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22DB23D4 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 12:27:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C87DE1AE5 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 12:27:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop3.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop3.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 11C1427325 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 22:27:01 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <52973695.4070208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 22:27:01 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130530 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: math "formulae" using libreoffice References: <20131120000851.GA8007@ethic.thought.org> <20131120014303.7eb2bd44.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131120014134.GA9893@ethic.thought.org> <20131121001853.GA18522@ethic.thought.org> <20131121211010.fd168924.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131121234959.GB28395@ethic.thought.org> <20131122011153.fc81837d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131122005933.GA3297@ethic.thought.org> <20131122022650.2636ef22.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20131122022650.2636ef22.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 12:27:11 -0000 On 11/22/13 11:26, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:59:33 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: >> I'l ck it out, thankee. I have been wondering about the diff >> between openX and libreX {X == "office"} but guessed that >> "open" was what the BSD's chose ... > No, they are two different products, maintained independently. > If I remember correctly, it started with StarOffice as the first > major office suite becoming a free product (I've been using > version 3.x and 4.0 of this), it was then "incorporated" by > Sun which later became OpenOffice. When Oracle bought and > (mostly) destroyed Sun, OpenOffice was one of the victims; > they added proprietary code and finally abandoned it. That > was the time when LibreOffice was forked. Today, LibreOffice > is _the_ office suite per se. Not to start a war, but it went StarOffice as a free product (up to about 5 or 6, I think), then Sun made it a paid product and forked OpenOffice as an open source alternative (good ole Sun); then Oracle got involved and Libreoffice was forked with some of the original devs walking with it and overhauling it in the process, and finally with OpenOffice finally abandoned to the wolves by Oracle at a later date and rescued by the Apache incubator project not so many years ago now. > > On FreeBSD, all three versions have been available, and today > you can still install both OpenOffice and LibreOffice; only > StarOffice is no longer available (disappeared around 2010). > I believe this was when Oracle staged a takeover, and spelled the beginning of the end of support for OpenOffice. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 28 12:57:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F0AC93E for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 12:57:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 044F21C5D for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 12:57:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop3.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop3.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1AF3927325 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 22:57:10 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <52973DA5.1070700@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 22:57:09 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130530 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is the "thinnest" display manager available? References: < 20131126073256.GC788@lena.kiev> <52946150.2060505@rawbw.com> < 20131126095907.05990916.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 12:57:12 -0000 On 11/27/13 06:55, Walter Hurry wrote: > On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:59:07 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > >> Source: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-xdm.html >> >> Allow me to ask the following question: >> >> Is xdm (and as far as I know, also wdm) still an exception from the >> "rc.conf rule", or how is it supposed to be started on "more modern" >> versions? > I'd be interested in the answer to that too, as I use XDM on ttyv8 per > the handbook, and it has been faultless for me. I still use ttys like Polytropon, but I believe recommended practice is to use an rc.d system - just nobody has/could be bothered actually writing one :D Maybe I'll (or someone else) get a round tuit one day, but I wouldn't hold your breath: it's been on the books for near a decade :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 28 12:58:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2052BA7F for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 12:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB12B1C7E for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 12:58:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop3.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop3.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D0A3927325 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 22:58:44 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <52973E04.2020002@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 22:58:44 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130530 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: chromium inside the jail References: <65e0f759da27c85615f3190a5e48f8bb@vmeta.jp> <20131128001512.GA59354@icepick.vmeta.jp> In-Reply-To: <20131128001512.GA59354@icepick.vmeta.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 12:58:47 -0000 On 11/28/13 10:15, Koichiro IWAO wrote: > On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 03:50:34PM -0800, Adrian Chadd wrote: >> Isn't it a global setting you do in the machine root itself, not the jail? > You're right however chromium window whiteouts and nothing's drawn. This > behaviour is as same as if kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed is set to 0. I've > checked sysctl inside the jail, kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed is actually > set to 1. If it doesn't matter, what can I do next? > This setting might actually be violating jail policy (shm?) - in other words you may as well not run in the jail. Might be why it doesn't work. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 28 13:10:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D1A9D38 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:10:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (kontrol.kode5.net [80.229.5.32]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA6211D19 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:10:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id rASDAW4w005481; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:10:32 GMT (envelope-from jmz@kontrol.kode5.net) Received: (from jmz@localhost) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id rASDAWwK005480; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:10:32 GMT (envelope-from jmz) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:10:32 GMT From: James Griffin Message-Id: <201311281310.rASDAWwK005480@kontrol.kode5.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au Subject: Re: What is the "thinnest" display manager available? In-Reply-To: <52973DA5.1070700@herveybayaustralia.com.au> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:10:38 -0000 On 11/27/13 06:55, Walter Hurry wrote: > On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:59:07 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > >> Source: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-xdm.html >> >> Allow me to ask the following question: >> >> Is xdm (and as far as I know, also wdm) still an exception from the >> "rc.conf rule", or how is it supposed to be started on "more modern" >> versions? > I'd be interested in the answer to that too, as I use XDM on ttyv8 per > the handbook, and it has been faultless for me. I still use ttys like Polytropon, but I believe recommended practice is to use an rc.d system - just nobody has/could be bothered actually writing one :D Maybe I'll (or someone else) get a round tuit one day, but I wouldn't hold your breath: it's been on the books for near a decade :) _______________________________________________ Actually, I came across a script written by someone for the CDE desktop. It would be easy to modify it for another X11 DM (I would think). Might be helpful to someone looking for a script of that type. 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id v45sm97660058yha.2.2013.11.28.07.33.34 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Nov 2013 07:33:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:33:33 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD FreeBSD Subject: Mounting "skydrive" in FreeBSD Message-ID: <20131128103333.43761ce7@scorpio> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 15:33:36 -0000 Does anyone know if it is possible to mount a Microsoft Skydrive in FreeBSD? -- Jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 28 15:47:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3D4A96B for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 15:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B375215AE for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 15:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.16]) by ltcfislmsgpa03.fnfis.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id rASFkEc9003286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:46:14 -0600 Received: from LTCFISWMSGMB21.FNFIS.com ([169.254.1.7]) by LTCFISWMSGHT05.FNFIS.com ([10.132.206.16]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:46:13 -0600 From: "Teske, Devin" To: James Griffin Subject: Re: What is the "thinnest" display manager available? Thread-Topic: What is the "thinnest" display manager available? Thread-Index: AQHO7FD3VdYWTnJcaE6BVb4HayxOlQ== Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 15:46:12 +0000 Message-ID: <9ACDC2F1-58FE-4C1A-9D70-80581AA93A81@fisglobal.com> References: <201311281310.rASDAWwK005480@kontrol.kode5.net> In-Reply-To: <201311281310.rASDAWwK005480@kontrol.kode5.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.132.253.120] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_004_9ACDC2F158FE4C1A9D7080581AA93A81fisglobalcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.11.72, 1.0.14, 0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-28_06:2013-11-28,2013-11-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.16 Cc: "Teske, Devin" , Da Rock , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 15:47:09 -0000 --_004_9ACDC2F158FE4C1A9D7080581AA93A81fisglobalcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Nov 28, 2013, at 5:10 AM, James Griffin wrote: > On 11/27/13 06:55, Walter Hurry wrote: > > On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:59:07 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > > >> Source: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-xdm.html > >> > >> Allow me to ask the following question: > >> > >> Is xdm (and as far as I know, also wdm) still an exception from= the > >> "rc.conf rule", or how is it supposed to be started on "more mo= dern" > >> versions? > > I'd be interested in the answer to that too, as I use XDM on tty= v8 per > > the handbook, and it has been faultless for me. > I still use ttys like Polytropon, but I believe recommended practi= ce is > to use an rc.d system - just nobody has/could be bothered actually > writing one :D > > Maybe I'll (or someone else) get a round tuit one day, but I would= n't > hold your breath: it's been on the books for near a decade :) > _______________________________________________ > > > Actually, I came across a script written by someone for the CDE desktop. > It would be easy to modify it for another X11 DM (I would think). > > Might be helpful to someone looking for a script of that type. Funny to see someone say "it's been on the books for near a decade" At $work, we launched xdm from rc.d for about that long (a decade) and then moved away from it (toward ttys). Dusted off and attached for your pleasure. -- Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message an= d all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any ma= nner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware= that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and revie= w by persons other than the intended recipient. 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Matthew, I had the same issue as OP. After duly fixing my /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf, the symptom did *not* go away. After a few checks and double checks I realised that there was *another* FreeBSD.conf in /etc/pkg, put there, I think, by buildworld/installworld. Where should the file actually live? uname and svn info: =============================================================== FreeBSD freebsd.vm 10.0-BETA3 FreeBSD 10.0-BETA3 #0 r257811: Fri Nov 8 04:46:36 GMT 2013 root@freebsd.vm:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/VM10 amd64 =============================================================== Path: /usr/src Working Copy Root Path: /usr/src URL: http://svn.freebsd.org/base/stable/10 Relative URL: ^/stable/10 Repository Root: http://svn.freebsd.org/base Repository UUID: ccf9f872-aa2e-dd11-9fc8-001c23d0bc1f Revision: 257811 Node Kind: directory Schedule: normal Last Changed Author: bdrewery Last Changed Rev: 257797 Last Changed Date: 2013-11-07 15:43:41 +0000 (Thu, 07 Nov 2013) =============================================================== Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 28 17:54:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC135674 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 17:54:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E6091BD9 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 17:54:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ox-dell39.ox.adestra.com (no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id rASHslm5097830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 17:54:47 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk rASHslm5097830 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1385661288; bh=2lSIBfgKMhXjV0gEg/C7opdf1X+oODsT614Ta/PQ6Dg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; z=Date:=20Thu,=2028=20Nov=202013=2017:54:38=20+0000|From:=20Matthew =20Seaman=20|To:=20freebsd-questi ons@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20pkg=201.2_1|References:=20<189459 2.P4B1yXKRe7@lumiwa.farms.net>=20<5294FE07.9000802@=20infracaninop hile.co.uk>=20|In-Reply-To:=20; b=Auot/cjzC3+4G5uM1jD9492ZhXaMtGewj0Q9PzwWewhmtQwBI+OWDl6uBTm5etGi+ +SrjznuUEAUKOuwnt8zyVshNzui5XN2SNiZhSVGs0e08eY+2DIvBvi52Hmh1tp141h it3oOuhaeEeCefz7A0XTzT2wfxnW7Spt1ZAfzGOo= X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged) claimed to be ox-dell39.ox.adestra.com Message-ID: <5297835E.6060105@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 17:54:38 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkg 1.2_1 References: <1894592.P4B1yXKRe7@lumiwa.farms.net> <5294FE07.9000802@ infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="QgQMR5HTsrMsOoV6w0ww52wVVpdGrHiTt" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 17:54:53 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --QgQMR5HTsrMsOoV6w0ww52wVVpdGrHiTt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/28/13 17:30, Walter Hurry wrote: > On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:01:11 +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: >=20 >> On 26/11/2013 18:25, Ajtim wrote: >>> Hi! >>> >>> On FreeBSD 10.0-BETA3 #0 r257580: Sun Nov 3 19:43:01 UTC 2013 =20 >>> root@snap.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 I got after= >>> update pkg to 1.2_1: >>> >>> portmaster -a =3D=3D=3D>>> Gathering distinfo list for installed port= s >>> >>> pkg: pkg: Warning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the >>> 'FreeBSD' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please >>> consider fixing >> >> In pkg.conf or any pkg/repos/repo.conf instead of saying eg. >> >> DISABLE_MTREE : "YES" >> >> say instead: >> >> DISABLE_MTREE : YES >> >> ie. without the quote marks. >=20 > Matthew, >=20 > I had the same issue as OP.=20 >=20 > After duly fixing my /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf, the symptom= =20 > did *not* go away. >=20 > After a few checks and double checks I realised that there was *another= *=20 > FreeBSD.conf in /etc/pkg, put there, I think, by buildworld/installworl= d. >=20 > Where should the file actually live? >=20 > uname and svn info: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > FreeBSD freebsd.vm 10.0-BETA3 FreeBSD 10.0-BETA3 #0 r257811: Fri Nov 8= =20 > 04:46:36 GMT 2013 root@freebsd.vm:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/VM10 amd64 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Path: /usr/src > Working Copy Root Path: /usr/src > URL: http://svn.freebsd.org/base/stable/10 > Relative URL: ^/stable/10 > Repository Root: http://svn.freebsd.org/base > Repository UUID: ccf9f872-aa2e-dd11-9fc8-001c23d0bc1f > Revision: 257811 > Node Kind: directory > Schedule: normal > Last Changed Author: bdrewery > Last Changed Rev: 257797 > Last Changed Date: 2013-11-07 15:43:41 +0000 (Thu, 07 Nov 2013) > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Thanks. Errr... yes. The official FreeBSD.conf contains quotes around boolean values so pkg will complain. There is a fix in the works but I'm not sure when it will be generally available. In the mean time, it's only a few seconds work with an editor to fix things up. Cheers, Matthew --QgQMR5HTsrMsOoV6w0ww52wVVpdGrHiTt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJSl4NmXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQxOUYxNTRFQ0JGMTEyRTUwNTQ0RTNGMzAw MDUxM0YxMEUwQTlFNEU3AAoJEABRPxDgqeTnNowP/iRK+ZuiOoKfkW28JfeOG2bt NmX4qIOMPGEZk560BW6jt2U7iHgGW3b+V2TiqVHZD58L4Co4c2Q5B2cnmRna/ETA Mnz+fkQM2LnQ/Nx4mqP6Zys69fGgMMa1BY71WYPGvCHBw6/B+bJJuYyt0gxYz+fJ JXuoGofsd/LUgo3ogFOILHDEWc0M5MKCGX5MzDzLDkJGGEyKR3KKI3Il/guqICNp p0MqZAFYXaKkjSoCZ0yL7wHB1dVfz2HPuZM96TM2lQza7FDB98ZLY9CgnaxWNvmN BKA3sJo0jvG23sL4srtkHXxEq0PLiOodhGFJGrPSgpfxrDwMsjd92LF6LfkcZG23 9dqBmLlhKUSyYDzreodRaIE736OmGHsYNju8P6yw5oFcDyABmhRVIz+7cixiN+MM 23YOCLXwqmMRHp7dDZHSzFh/WlxaX5AVb0CZom1ObkNHV7XGOL3VwDjMYXnsT/QF hJgH1NKgycqVJ6BB/A5SObNPkrK3Uv36gpmbCE1xExWj9wQX+6Xdo5Xu/Seg+irf xDnk/suJBPg/a6VIAieaRHlnh7eWWOiVC/2Z3gR2W3X6COg+FwCJpRnG9BYGbA+z rpc9nruKyux05G2TT/8fo9DJyQQ5NiSSQCcyJI6eSPN1Gof21ySeEip2awVsk1XI JiqYC/96CAPJpl/Noqtu =/OuW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --QgQMR5HTsrMsOoV6w0ww52wVVpdGrHiTt-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 28 18:55:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBFF27D for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 18:55:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 876E51EF5 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 18:55:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vm6kd-0007jc-OD for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 19:55:47 +0100 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginm.net ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 19:55:47 +0100 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginm.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 19:55:47 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Subject: Re: pkg 1.2_1 Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 18:55:26 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 67 Message-ID: References: <1894592.P4B1yXKRe7@lumiwa.farms.net> <5297835E.6060105@infracaninophile.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginm.net User-Agent: Pan/0.139 (Sexual Chocolate; GIT bf56508 git://git.gnome.org/pan2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 18:55:51 -0000 On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 17:54:38 +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 11/28/13 17:30, Walter Hurry wrote: >> On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:01:11 +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: >> >>> On 26/11/2013 18:25, Ajtim wrote: >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> On FreeBSD 10.0-BETA3 #0 r257580: Sun Nov 3 19:43:01 UTC 2013 >>>> root@snap.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 I got after >>>> update pkg to 1.2_1: >>>> >>>> portmaster -a ===>>> Gathering distinfo list for installed ports >>>> >>>> pkg: pkg: Warning: expecting a boolean for the 'enabled' key of the >>>> 'FreeBSD' repo, the value has been correctly converted, please >>>> consider fixing >>> >>> In pkg.conf or any pkg/repos/repo.conf instead of saying eg. >>> >>> DISABLE_MTREE : "YES" >>> >>> say instead: >>> >>> DISABLE_MTREE : YES >>> >>> ie. without the quote marks. >> >> Matthew, >> >> I had the same issue as OP. >> >> After duly fixing my /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf, the symptom >> did *not* go away. >> >> After a few checks and double checks I realised that there was >> *another* FreeBSD.conf in /etc/pkg, put there, I think, by >> buildworld/installworld. >> >> Where should the file actually live? >> >> uname and svn info: >> =============================================================== >> FreeBSD freebsd.vm 10.0-BETA3 FreeBSD 10.0-BETA3 #0 r257811: Fri Nov 8 >> 04:46:36 GMT 2013 root@freebsd.vm:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/VM10 amd64 >> =============================================================== >> Path: /usr/src Working Copy Root Path: /usr/src URL: >> http://svn.freebsd.org/base/stable/10 Relative URL: ^/stable/10 >> Repository Root: http://svn.freebsd.org/base Repository UUID: >> ccf9f872-aa2e-dd11-9fc8-001c23d0bc1f Revision: 257811 Node Kind: >> directory Schedule: normal Last Changed Author: bdrewery Last Changed >> Rev: 257797 Last Changed Date: 2013-11-07 15:43:41 +0000 (Thu, 07 Nov >> 2013) =============================================================== >> Thanks. > > > Errr... yes. The official FreeBSD.conf contains quotes around boolean > values so pkg will complain. There is a fix in the works but I'm not > sure when it will be generally available. In the mean time, it's only a > few seconds work with an editor to fix things up. Thanks. I understand that, but my question is where should the file actually live? In /etc/pkg, or in /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos? And for that matter, where should pkg.conf be? I still have SHLIBS : YES in /usr/local/etc/pkg.conf. And is it still needed? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 28 20:00:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8672A398 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:00:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 257FC11C7 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:00:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.2.117.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id rASJxxQW001443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 19:59:59 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk rASJxxQW001443 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1385668801; bh=0Y1QZ7kWHSh3clZYn20065+qJJuXdS83rpJTgR0TTmM=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; z=Date:=20Thu,=2028=20Nov=202013=2019:59:50=20+0000|From:=20Matthew =20Seaman=20|To:=20freebsd-questi ons@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20pkg=201.2_1|References:=20<189459 2.P4B1yXKRe7@lumiwa.farms.net>=20=2 0<5297835E.6060105@infracaninophile.co.uk>=20|In-Reply-To:=20; b=TTw630CgKbF2kWX0/8cv90vqTzt0Q6kPswJWvl3pZSBhqEabym6ZcImIWXQWdHtAs LkOUHOBplbQyqtDF3fSz9VciGyWI2jASAhLzGqIDAQxLtvMZs5HwCv3JAi+i7octEe MUZf0VdigIpqRLkjDMrJrVVpW85IBkxrO9R0qesE= Message-ID: <5297A0B6.3070302@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 19:59:50 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkg 1.2_1 References: <1894592.P4B1yXKRe7@lumiwa.farms.net> <5297835E.6060105@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 OpenPGP: id=E7F39EBF Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="RjmxNcQDDk4KWdw3dXapfjBDn2Ul9u4sO" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:00:23 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --RjmxNcQDDk4KWdw3dXapfjBDn2Ul9u4sO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 28/11/2013 18:55, Walter Hurry wrote: > Thanks. I understand that, but my question is where should the file=20 > actually live? In /etc/pkg, or in /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos? pkg(8) will search all the directories on REPOS_PATH, which by default is= /etc/pkg /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos /etc/pkg is for the "official" FreeBSD.conf that comes with the base system. /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos is for general use. > And for that matter, where should pkg.conf be? I still have SHLIBS : YE= S=20 > in /usr/local/etc/pkg.conf. And is it still needed? No that's not needed. 'SHLIBS: yes' is the default now. Verb. Sap. if you don't want to override any of the default values you can do without a pkg.conf entirely. (pkg(8) complains about an empty pkg.conf at the moment, which is a bug.) Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 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On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Matthew Seaman < m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk> wrote: > On 28/11/2013 18:55, Walter Hurry wrote: > > Thanks. I understand that, but my question is where should the file > > actually live? In /etc/pkg, or in /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos? > > pkg(8) will search all the directories on REPOS_PATH, which by default is > > /etc/pkg > /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos > > /etc/pkg is for the "official" FreeBSD.conf that comes with the base > system. /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos is for general use. > > > And for that matter, where should pkg.conf be? I still have SHLIBS : YES > > in /usr/local/etc/pkg.conf. And is it still needed? > > No that's not needed. 'SHLIBS: yes' is the default now. Verb. Sap. if > you don't want to override any of the default values you can do without > a pkg.conf entirely. (pkg(8) complains about an empty pkg.conf at the > moment, which is a bug.) > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > -- > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. > > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey > JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 28 20:47:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 351DBB21; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:47:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from griffon.alerce.com (griffon.alerce.com [206.125.171.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 163FE13D6; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from griffon.alerce.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by griffon.alerce.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C35A28435; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 12:47:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from alacrity.alerce.com (75-149-38-78-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [75.149.38.78]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by griffon.alerce.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 266A028434; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 12:47:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by alacrity.alerce.com (Postfix, from userid 503) id 7281D18AE6A6; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 12:47:14 -0800 (PST) From: George Hartzell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <21143.43986.419091.973040@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 12:47:14 -0800 To: Mark Felder Subject: Re: mac mini In-Reply-To: <1385308605.5007.51434733.4AEBDB8D@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <21136.62025.950336.994239@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1385308605.5007.51434733.4AEBDB8D@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 24.3.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin12.5.0) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: hartzell@alerce.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:47:23 -0000 Mark Felder writes: > On Sat, Nov 23, 2013, at 12:22, George Hartzell wrote: > [...] > > > > I've been running FreeBSD on a 2008 Intel 8-core Mac Pro (the tower) > > for years, just bumped it up to the current 10-BETA3 (now that Andriy > > solved the ZFS/mmap bug I was fighting and I can trust my flac tagging > > pipeline again). > > > > Works great. I'm running the gnome desktop using the nvidia binary > > distribution to drive a 30" Dell monitor. > > > > Root on Zfs, two disk mirror. Swapping directly onto partitions, no > > mirror or ZFS involved. > > > > I'm still depending on the BIOS emulation to boot and it only gets > > triggered if you use MBR formatted disks, not GPT. That confused the > > daylights out of me for a bit. I'm not sure if the EFI (?) boot stuff > > works or not. > > > > One time out of 4 it hangs early in the kernel starting up. Never > > cared enough to get help tracking it down. > > > > I know someone with the same model of Mac Pro but he's been in the > process of moving. I'll see if I can convince him to install FreeBSD on > a drive and reproduce that hang. > > When was the last time you ran OSX on it? There might be a > BIOS/firmware/EFI update waiting. It runs OS X frequently. As far as I know everything is up to date (though it's still on Snow Leopard). The hang is random, it'll boot smoothly for a while and then it'll hang a couple of times. There was a point that I thought it was connected with typing at the boot prompts (something keyboard related) but I've decided that that was just my mind grasping for a pattern. Also doesn't seem to matter whether I've most recently been running freebsd or mac os x. Next time it does it I'll take some notes about what it's up to. g. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 28 21:51:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4FCD5F7 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 21:51:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-x231.google.com (mail-pd0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE4A516F8 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 21:51:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f177.google.com with SMTP id q10so12619660pdj.36 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:51:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=E+06DlI3dPuR+JAzQj+zSLJEEaOFiccqHJLYz9yANxw=; b=LpJdgvb3ZDMKklCXmI4krVc0rPzc4MPe17nAy6Ty4P0YIehkS85iTb93XF0/84k5xM vxnIYs49yTWA+LhcDxo9WyNISV/H4kQwZB6FMUH6hXCy9qVy2QGMe5gtJbwD0nx4DUyu HpBdNsDbcmEobUZo7PkI3V25G3JCJ3lUNRUzTqg/Hd29kqAX1SoqGzCazY7yFJg+bo0i L4NZQQVzbPAWrnrspT/+pOdyyO6dXafct8eoMWb4SAyRlzjqbyBV7to5uTKT+FXfCzYs BtsX79fTAyQoZmqGhKC/gZNRdpDKzhDGv1WDfzKQ1YJHpWyq0FJJpdTDugwHXZoLj5fj D1Cg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.184.168 with SMTP id ev8mr24326032pac.152.1385675461325; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:51:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.92.79 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:51:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 15:51:01 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: 4k sectors From: Adam Vande More To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.16 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 21:51:01 -0000 Is there an easy method to find out the space wasted by using 4k vs 512? -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 28 22:10:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C04FFC5 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 22:10:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B851417F6 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 22:10:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id rASMA0Ak050900; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 15:10:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id rASMA098050897; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 15:10:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 15:10:00 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Adam Vande More Subject: Re: 4k sectors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 28 Nov 2013 15:10:00 -0700 (MST) Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 22:10:02 -0000 On Thu, 28 Nov 2013, Adam Vande More wrote: > Is there an easy method to find out the space wasted by using 4k vs 512? Which filesystem? UFS has block suballocation ("fragments"). It would be surprising if ZFS did not, but I don't know what they call it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 28 22:37:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35A666F5 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 22:37:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailsender18.researchandmarkets.org (unknown [IPv6:2a01:258:f000:6:f4be:7d09:1518:23b1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A8DD91925 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 22:37:43 +0000 (UTC) From: "Amy Cole" To: Subject: =?utf-8?B?SGFyZHdhcmUgRW5jcnlwdGlvbiBNYXJrZXQgLSBBbmFseXNpcyAmIEZvcmVjYXN0ICgyMDEzIOKAkyAyMDE4KQ==?= Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 22:37:34 GMT X-Mailer: RMSmtp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: Amy Cole List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 22:37:44 -0000 'Hardware Encryption Market - By Algorithms (AES, RSA), Architectures (FPG= A, ASIC), Products (Hard Disk Drives, USB Drives and In-Line Encryptors), = Applications, Verticals and Geography - Analysis & Forecast (2013 =2D 2018= ) ' =20 This reports considers the semi-conductor sub-market of the hardware encry= ption market for hardware based encryption chipsets. 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References: <201311281310.rASDAWwK005480@kontrol.kode5.net> <9ACDC2F1-58FE-4C1A-9D70-80581AA93A81@fisglobal.com> In-Reply-To: <9ACDC2F1-58FE-4C1A-9D70-80581AA93A81@fisglobal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 00:31:48 -0000 On 11/29/13 01:46, Teske, Devin wrote: > On Nov 28, 2013, at 5:10 AM, James Griffin wrote: > >> On 11/27/13 06:55, Walter Hurry wrote: >> > On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:59:07 +0100, Polytropon wrote: >> > >> >> Source: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-xdm.html >> >> >> >> Allow me to ask the following question: >> >> >> >> Is xdm (and as far as I know, also wdm) still an exception from the >> >> "rc.conf rule", or how is it supposed to be started on "more modern" >> >> versions? >> > I'd be interested in the answer to that too, as I use XDM on ttyv8 per >> > the handbook, and it has been faultless for me. >> I still use ttys like Polytropon, but I believe recommended practice is >> to use an rc.d system - just nobody has/could be bothered actually >> writing one :D >> >> Maybe I'll (or someone else) get a round tuit one day, but I wouldn't >> hold your breath: it's been on the books for near a decade :) >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Actually, I came across a script written by someone for the CDE desktop. >> It would be easy to modify it for another X11 DM (I would think). >> >> Might be helpful to someone looking for a script of that type. > Funny to see someone say "it's been on the books for near a decade" > > At $work, we launched xdm from rc.d for about that long (a decade) > and then moved away from it (toward ttys). > > Dusted off and attached for your pleasure. > > Wow, awesome! I'll look at using that... :D Have you considered committing it to the port? And why move away from that to ttys again? 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Thread-Topic: What is the "thinnest" display manager available? Thread-Index: AQHO7FD3VdYWTnJcaE6BVb4HayxOlQ== Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 02:28:21 +0000 Message-ID: <5D50D2EB-229C-428B-BE19-E4B1BFEFBCAE@fisglobal.com> References: <201311281310.rASDAWwK005480@kontrol.kode5.net> <9ACDC2F1-58FE-4C1A-9D70-80581AA93A81@fisglobal.com> <5297E070.3030400@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: <5297E070.3030400@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.132.253.120] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <1FA2F361BDC8D64E882E74063A725617@fisglobal.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.11.72, 1.0.14, 0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-28_08:2013-11-28,2013-11-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: Devin Teske , "Teske, Devin" , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: Devin Teske List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 02:28:25 -0000 On Nov 28, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Da Rock wrote: > On 11/29/13 01:46, Teske, Devin wrote: >> On Nov 28, 2013, at 5:10 AM, James Griffin wrote: >>=20 >>> On 11/27/13 06:55, Walter Hurry wrote: >>> > On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:59:07 +0100, Polytropon wrote: >>> > >>> >> Source: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-xdm.html >>> >> >>> >> Allow me to ask the following question: >>> >> >>> >> Is xdm (and as far as I know, also wdm) still an exception fr= om the >>> >> "rc.conf rule", or how is it supposed to be started on "more = modern" >>> >> versions? >>> > I'd be interested in the answer to that too, as I use XDM on t= tyv8 per >>> > the handbook, and it has been faultless for me. >>> I still use ttys like Polytropon, but I believe recommended prac= tice is >>> to use an rc.d system - just nobody has/could be bothered actual= ly >>> writing one :D >>>=20 >>> Maybe I'll (or someone else) get a round tuit one day, but I wou= ldn't >>> hold your breath: it's been on the books for near a decade :) >>> _______________________________________________ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Actually, I came across a script written by someone for the CDE desktop. >>> It would be easy to modify it for another X11 DM (I would think). >>>=20 >>> Might be helpful to someone looking for a script of that type. >> Funny to see someone say "it's been on the books for near a decade" >>=20 >> At $work, we launched xdm from rc.d for about that long (a decade) >> and then moved away from it (toward ttys). >>=20 >> Dusted off and attached for your pleasure. >>=20 >>=20 > Wow, awesome! I'll look at using that... :D >=20 > Have you considered committing it to the port? And why move away from tha= t to ttys again? Reason we first started putting the onus on an rc.d script was because we w= anted the script to be able to decide (based on the hostname) whether XDM would be st= arted or not. HINT: Hostnames that are known to be workstations (versus servers) would st= art XDM, otherwise XDM is not started. Well, when we migrated from FreeBSD-4.11 to FreeBSD-8, we found that XDM ha= d changed considerably, and was no longer the animal we had patches for. Being in the situation that our old patches would not apply, we decided... We're going to write one from scratch. In Perl/Tk. In that rewrite, we moved the logic into the application. So now... Every machine has an entry for our display manager and the display manager = decides (again, based on the hostname) whether to start X and display a login windo= w, otherwise just launch getty for the vty. --=20 Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message an= d all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any ma= nner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware= that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and revie= w by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 29 02:50:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BED5634 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 02:50:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pb0-x22f.google.com (mail-pb0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c01::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F75A1694 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 02:50:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pb0-f47.google.com with SMTP id um1so13602026pbc.34 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 18:50:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=YaT54TWSeq/ZTq1gA8kjYiL/SHd9O4H2iFIew7lg4dg=; b=lASJMiXkDmxGEdQ8lg7m2+cWAbMOlcQRHjxwgb3Qxp1pygfaDdfRVhxz7pmKnek6l4 B5cO6qn6D8d+ldRC4dWv8TwhMT5WNIDOiHiUJPFiVH6GiRzPZ0LFYkr27GfO/r2YU4wN Nbp/TClyp+7tZqSW+z/4r39Zi5sNRDrE8pE1ozXn+MQqcLYGyUsVaTTP0xSOy4ozKRz+ liCd0toV2iURnQSBEmodt7EMIdkDHmi49PJ/cV4PLvULZ3m5EQy6agyjLBS+peuXYyxm V/rzM49xKrtLp3aPc84DFzR1iyb7BXQK6mL8bO+9zV6xdZY3Dlolc5MrJz1iWyGt2Gu0 pIfA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.66.42 with SMTP id c10mr49605599pat.98.1385693453596; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 18:50:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.92.79 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 18:50:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:50:53 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 4k sectors From: Adam Vande More To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.16 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 02:50:54 -0000 On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 28 Nov 2013, Adam Vande More wrote: > > Is there an easy method to find out the space wasted by using 4k vs 512? >> > > Which filesystem? UFS has block suballocation ("fragments"). It would be > surprising if ZFS did not, but I don't know what they call it. > UFS mainly although a FS agnostic tool would be best. Maybe another way to ask the question is there a tool that analyses a FS and suggests optimal defaults? Obviously this question can be answered with existing utilities and some math. I'm looking for the lazy man's solution. -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 29 03:22:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 611BC40C for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 03:22:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from st11p05mm-asmtp002.mac.com (st11p05mm-asmtpout005.mac.com [17.172.108.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DEA1907 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 03:22:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [17.149.227.8] (unknown [17.149.227.8]) by st11p05mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MX00099V6L99DB0@st11p05mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 02:22:22 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.11.72,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-28_08:2013-11-28,2013-11-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1311280240 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1822\)) Subject: Re: 4k sectors From: Charles Swiger In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 18:22:21 -0800 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: References: To: Adam Vande More X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1822) Cc: FreeBSD - X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 03:22:38 -0000 Hi-- On Nov 28, 2013, at 1:51 PM, Adam Vande More = wrote: > Is there an easy method to find out the space wasted by using 4k vs = 512? Internal fragmentation wastes half of the smallest logical sector size = (ie, 512 bytes in 8 fragments per 4K block is or was typical for UFS) = times the number of files on the filesystem. The hardware sector size = isn't directly relevant, unless you've changed the filesystem tuning to = match up logical sector size with the physical sector size...although = doing such is usually beneficial. Regards, --=20 -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 29 04:44:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5389E1F6 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 04:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 111E71CAF for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 04:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-106-241.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.106.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5979027916; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 05:43:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rAT4hg6v001968; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 05:43:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 05:43:42 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Da Rock Subject: Re: math "formulae" using libreoffice Message-Id: <20131129054342.d1e814d8.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <52973695.4070208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <20131120000851.GA8007@ethic.thought.org> <20131120014303.7eb2bd44.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131120014134.GA9893@ethic.thought.org> <20131121001853.GA18522@ethic.thought.org> <20131121211010.fd168924.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131121234959.GB28395@ethic.thought.org> <20131122011153.fc81837d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131122005933.GA3297@ethic.thought.org> <20131122022650.2636ef22.freebsd@edvax.de> <52973695.4070208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 04:44:05 -0000 On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 22:27:01 +1000, Da Rock wrote: > On 11/22/13 11:26, Polytropon wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:59:33 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > >> I'l ck it out, thankee. I have been wondering about the diff > >> between openX and libreX {X == "office"} but guessed that > >> "open" was what the BSD's chose ... > > No, they are two different products, maintained independently. > > If I remember correctly, it started with StarOffice as the first > > major office suite becoming a free product (I've been using > > version 3.x and 4.0 of this), it was then "incorporated" by > > Sun which later became OpenOffice. When Oracle bought and > > (mostly) destroyed Sun, OpenOffice was one of the victims; > > they added proprietary code and finally abandoned it. That > > was the time when LibreOffice was forked. Today, LibreOffice > > is _the_ office suite per se. > Not to start a war, but it went StarOffice as a free product (up to > about 5 or 6, I think), then Sun made it a paid product and forked > OpenOffice as an open source alternative (good ole Sun); then Oracle got > involved and Libreoffice was forked with some of the original devs > walking with it and overhauling it in the process, and finally with > OpenOffice finally abandoned to the wolves by Oracle at a later date and > rescued by the Apache incubator project not so many years ago now. That won't start a war, at least not from my side. :-) I wasn't aware that Sun didn't continue the "tradition of free" from the start. It's always nice to learn something about history. So todays we're left with the decision "Apache OpenOffice vs. TDF LibreOffice" (just mentioning the "big players", there's still AbiWord, Gnumeric et al. as separate components)... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 29 07:03:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1178E345 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 07:03:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtprelay03.ispgateway.de (smtprelay03.ispgateway.de [80.67.31.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9545211F7 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 07:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [80.67.16.118] (helo=webmail.df.eu) by smtprelay03.ispgateway.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1VmI78-0002hH-5n for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 08:03:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 08:03:46 +0100 From: Markus Hoenicka To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: math "formulae" using libreoffice In-Reply-To: <20131129054342.d1e814d8.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20131120000851.GA8007@ethic.thought.org> <20131120014303.7eb2bd44.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131120014134.GA9893@ethic.thought.org> <20131121001853.GA18522@ethic.thought.org> <20131121211010.fd168924.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131121234959.GB28395@ethic.thought.org> <20131122011153.fc81837d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131122005933.GA3297@ethic.thought.org> <20131122022650.2636ef22.freebsd@edvax.de> <52973695.4070208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20131129054342.d1e814d8.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <2154b7b42fce5a342aeeee5a1e6f59cf@mhoenicka.de> X-Sender: markus.hoenicka@mhoenicka.de User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail X-Df-Sender: bWFya3VzLmhvZW5pY2thQG1ob2VuaWNrYS5kZQ== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 07:03:56 -0000 Am 2013-11-29 05:43, schrieb Polytropon: > On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 22:27:01 +1000, Da Rock wrote: >> On 11/22/13 11:26, Polytropon wrote: >> > On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:59:33 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: >> >> I'l ck it out, thankee. I have been wondering about the diff >> >> between openX and libreX {X == "office"} but guessed that >> >> "open" was what the BSD's chose ... >> > No, they are two different products, maintained independently. >> > If I remember correctly, it started with StarOffice as the first >> > major office suite becoming a free product (I've been using >> > version 3.x and 4.0 of this), it was then "incorporated" by >> > Sun which later became OpenOffice. When Oracle bought and >> > (mostly) destroyed Sun, OpenOffice was one of the victims; >> > they added proprietary code and finally abandoned it. That >> > was the time when LibreOffice was forked. Today, LibreOffice >> > is _the_ office suite per se. >> Not to start a war, but it went StarOffice as a free product (up to >> about 5 or 6, I think), then Sun made it a paid product and forked >> OpenOffice as an open source alternative (good ole Sun); then Oracle >> got >> involved and Libreoffice was forked with some of the original devs >> walking with it and overhauling it in the process, and finally with >> OpenOffice finally abandoned to the wolves by Oracle at a later date >> and >> rescued by the Apache incubator project not so many years ago now. > > That won't start a war, at least not from my side. :-) > > I wasn't aware that Sun didn't continue the "tradition of free" > from the start. It's always nice to learn something about history. > So todays we're left with the decision "Apache OpenOffice vs. > TDF LibreOffice" (just mentioning the "big players", there's > still AbiWord, Gnumeric et al. as separate components)... I'm afraid this is still not quite correct. To the best of my knowledge, StarDivision (from Hamburg, Germany) sold StarOffice as a commercial software until they were purchased by Sun. However, at this point the software had been free for personal use for about a year or so. It was not open source though. After purchasing StarOffice, Sun made it free for commercial use as well and eventually released the sources as well. This recollection matches what I read here: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarDivision regards, Markus -- Markus Hoenicka http://www.mhoenicka.de AQ score 38 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 29 07:06:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70E023F6 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 07:06:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ea0-f182.google.com (mail-ea0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 050EF1213 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 07:06:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ea0-f182.google.com with SMTP id o10so8948252eaj.27 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 23:06:21 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=A1KX99OhmEVEGVVSvExCCANiMh8nJeq3ztIgTQ9UAsI=; b=cjzkQ7uHgP6VioD3KxQ4AEhW6YPiRbj7kWJkVijpoJmh8OjeHpvY/qaXeR5Va6EczL hTpDobytRgHs8mCuAhecUq1IbjTgIB/iea4E+XljecEtQle1oPXywVEMAi73X7lJ8rtc YEXN8hMIubMQcV3aKfGZ1GVxaj8ZTJl6mjelX+RFXdIc05YZbob+j/K9JVrdhu0UPGAN n7T1J80YqD5lGsP0GNM4DP/HDlwSUnzaWqeCKNRnXDGqZeRxxoySQGbGi6l3QksQdKhZ EVpy2MNMMiGSDwoNPrWFA77kmPfmibrDICq6Pfk4+VCdw++rQmOlsZF1MW75snSBFoM3 wPeg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn2oZeM/CGfN9/SYaa3KIluFD/HbiI4fCY7IzEroKGBdMqLwf5p75uZOEszqzlwfdmSl0RE X-Received: by 10.14.216.200 with SMTP id g48mr5193eep.129.1385708406426; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 23:00:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.30.1.168] ([95.87.193.58]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id l4sm1820870een.13.2013.11.28.23.00.03 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Nov 2013 23:00:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <52983B71.4070300@aboutsupport.com> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 09:00:01 +0200 From: "Zyumbilev, Peter" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20131118 Thunderbird/17.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jerry Subject: Re: Mounting "skydrive" in FreeBSD References: <20131128103333.43761ce7@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20131128103333.43761ce7@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 07:06:29 -0000 Hi Jerry, You can try: http://www.storagemadeeasy.com/wiki/linuxcloudtools/ SME works with (can add skydrive). And you might try to run their Ubuntu client via linux emulation. How well it will work, I am not sure as I never tried Skydrive on FreeBSD, just on linux. Peter On 28/11/2013 17:33, Jerry wrote: > Does anyone know if it is possible to mount a Microsoft Skydrive in > FreeBSD? > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 29 07:27:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA00FC40 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 07:27:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95601130E for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 07:27:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop3.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop3.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 41CEB27341 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 17:27:53 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <529841F9.5090904@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 17:27:53 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130530 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: math "formulae" using libreoffice References: <20131120000851.GA8007@ethic.thought.org> <20131120014303.7eb2bd44.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131120014134.GA9893@ethic.thought.org> <20131121001853.GA18522@ethic.thought.org> <20131121211010.fd168924.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131121234959.GB28395@ethic.thought.org> <20131122011153.fc81837d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131122005933.GA3297@ethic.thought.org> <20131122022650.2636ef22.freebsd@edvax.de> <52973695.4070208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20131129054342.d1e814d8.freebsd@edvax.de> <2154b7b42fce5a342aeeee5a1e6f59cf@mhoenicka.de> In-Reply-To: <2154b7b42fce5a342aeeee5a1e6f59cf@mhoenicka.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 07:27:56 -0000 On 11/29/13 17:03, Markus Hoenicka wrote: > Am 2013-11-29 05:43, schrieb Polytropon: >> On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 22:27:01 +1000, Da Rock wrote: >>> On 11/22/13 11:26, Polytropon wrote: >>> > On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:59:33 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: >>> >> I'l ck it out, thankee. I have been wondering about the diff >>> >> between openX and libreX {X == "office"} but guessed that >>> >> "open" was what the BSD's chose ... >>> > No, they are two different products, maintained independently. >>> > If I remember correctly, it started with StarOffice as the first >>> > major office suite becoming a free product (I've been using >>> > version 3.x and 4.0 of this), it was then "incorporated" by >>> > Sun which later became OpenOffice. When Oracle bought and >>> > (mostly) destroyed Sun, OpenOffice was one of the victims; >>> > they added proprietary code and finally abandoned it. That >>> > was the time when LibreOffice was forked. Today, LibreOffice >>> > is _the_ office suite per se. >>> Not to start a war, but it went StarOffice as a free product (up to >>> about 5 or 6, I think), then Sun made it a paid product and forked >>> OpenOffice as an open source alternative (good ole Sun); then Oracle >>> got >>> involved and Libreoffice was forked with some of the original devs >>> walking with it and overhauling it in the process, and finally with >>> OpenOffice finally abandoned to the wolves by Oracle at a later date >>> and >>> rescued by the Apache incubator project not so many years ago now. >> >> That won't start a war, at least not from my side. :-) >> >> I wasn't aware that Sun didn't continue the "tradition of free" >> from the start. It's always nice to learn something about history. >> So todays we're left with the decision "Apache OpenOffice vs. >> TDF LibreOffice" (just mentioning the "big players", there's >> still AbiWord, Gnumeric et al. as separate components)... > > I'm afraid this is still not quite correct. To the best of my > knowledge, StarDivision (from Hamburg, Germany) sold StarOffice as a > commercial software until they were purchased by Sun. However, at this > point the software had been free for personal use for about a year or > so. It was not open source though. After purchasing StarOffice, Sun > made it free for commercial use as well and eventually released the > sources as well. This recollection matches what I read here: > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarDivision The plot thickens... :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 29 07:33:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5629FFD2 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 07:33:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtprelay06.ispgateway.de (smtprelay06.ispgateway.de [80.67.31.103]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 102CC1378 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 07:33:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [80.67.16.118] (helo=webmail.df.eu) by smtprelay06.ispgateway.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1VmIZO-0001ce-ND for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 08:32:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 08:32:58 +0100 From: Markus Hoenicka To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: math "formulae" using libreoffice In-Reply-To: <529841F9.5090904@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <20131120000851.GA8007@ethic.thought.org> <20131120014303.7eb2bd44.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131120014134.GA9893@ethic.thought.org> <20131121001853.GA18522@ethic.thought.org> <20131121211010.fd168924.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131121234959.GB28395@ethic.thought.org> <20131122011153.fc81837d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131122005933.GA3297@ethic.thought.org> <20131122022650.2636ef22.freebsd@edvax.de> <52973695.4070208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20131129054342.d1e814d8.freebsd@edvax.de> <2154b7b42fce5a342aeeee5a1e6f59cf@mhoenicka.de> <529841F9.5090904@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Message-ID: <68e0848b2bb1e2da79189848a8a77769@mhoenicka.de> X-Sender: markus.hoenicka@mhoenicka.de User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail X-Df-Sender: bWFya3VzLmhvZW5pY2thQG1ob2VuaWNrYS5kZQ== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 07:33:23 -0000 Am 2013-11-29 08:27, schrieb Da Rock: > On 11/29/13 17:03, Markus Hoenicka wrote: >> Am 2013-11-29 05:43, schrieb Polytropon: >>> On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 22:27:01 +1000, Da Rock wrote: >>>> On 11/22/13 11:26, Polytropon wrote: >>>> > On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:59:33 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: >>>> >> I'l ck it out, thankee. I have been wondering about the diff >>>> >> between openX and libreX {X == "office"} but guessed that >>>> >> "open" was what the BSD's chose ... >>>> > No, they are two different products, maintained independently. >>>> > If I remember correctly, it started with StarOffice as the first >>>> > major office suite becoming a free product (I've been using >>>> > version 3.x and 4.0 of this), it was then "incorporated" by >>>> > Sun which later became OpenOffice. When Oracle bought and >>>> > (mostly) destroyed Sun, OpenOffice was one of the victims; >>>> > they added proprietary code and finally abandoned it. That >>>> > was the time when LibreOffice was forked. Today, LibreOffice >>>> > is _the_ office suite per se. >>>> Not to start a war, but it went StarOffice as a free product (up to >>>> about 5 or 6, I think), then Sun made it a paid product and forked >>>> OpenOffice as an open source alternative (good ole Sun); then Oracle >>>> got >>>> involved and Libreoffice was forked with some of the original devs >>>> walking with it and overhauling it in the process, and finally with >>>> OpenOffice finally abandoned to the wolves by Oracle at a later date >>>> and >>>> rescued by the Apache incubator project not so many years ago now. >>> >>> That won't start a war, at least not from my side. :-) >>> >>> I wasn't aware that Sun didn't continue the "tradition of free" >>> from the start. It's always nice to learn something about history. >>> So todays we're left with the decision "Apache OpenOffice vs. >>> TDF LibreOffice" (just mentioning the "big players", there's >>> still AbiWord, Gnumeric et al. as separate components)... >> >> I'm afraid this is still not quite correct. To the best of my >> knowledge, StarDivision (from Hamburg, Germany) sold StarOffice as a >> commercial software until they were purchased by Sun. However, at this >> point the software had been free for personal use for about a year or >> so. It was not open source though. After purchasing StarOffice, Sun >> made it free for commercial use as well and eventually released the >> sources as well. This recollection matches what I read here: >> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarDivision > The plot thickens... :) Yes, and I'm hanging on the edge of my seat waiting for Scott McNealy to chime in :-) Markus -- Markus Hoenicka http://www.mhoenicka.de AQ score 38 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 30 03:44:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 258FEDFF for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 03:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF6B215BB for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 03:44:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (ool-2f114b4b.dyn.optonline.net [47.17.75.75]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0MX200NBH3NZ2G80@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:14:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:14:12 -0500 From: "Vlad D.Markov" Subject: Re: What is the "thinnest" display manager available? In-reply-to: <5293C1D4.3010608@rawbw.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <20131130031412.GA54490@bashful.dwarf7.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline References: <5293C1D4.3010608@rawbw.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 03:44:31 -0000 On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 01:32:04PM -0800, Yuri wrote: > I want to have as few packages installed as possible, and I want to use > small window manager (dwm). But what is the thinnest display manager > available? I know kdm and gdm both work, but both pull a ton of > dependencies which I don't want. > > Features required: > * automatic start (through /etc/rc.conf) > * automatically run xorg and window manager of choice > * automatically login a particular user > * not many or no dependencies > > What is the smallest display manager that qualifies? > > Or maybe there is an easy way to run xorg + WM with some simple shell > script? Anything like this ready to use? > > Yuri I do just what you are asking. 1. The following entry is in /etc/ttys ttyv8 "/usr/local/sbin/xstart" xterm on secure 2. contents of /usr/local/sbin/xstart #!/bin/sh tty="/dev/${1}" /usr/bin/su - [user] /usr/local/bin/startx -- -dpi 100 < ${tty} >${tty} 2>&1 3. ~user/.xinitrc exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch startfluxbox I use fluxbox or fvwm as my window manager. Both work fine. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 30 04:01:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 559FD4A3 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 04:01:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from h3lix.wtfayla.net (helix.wtfayla.net [24.105.170.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2419316D2 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 04:01:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by h3lix.wtfayla.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D57A8496C for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:54:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from h3lix.wtfayla.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (h3lix.wtfayla.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 53125-10 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:54:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from helix.wtfayla.net (helix.wtfayla.net [24.105.170.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by h3lix.wtfayla.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6F8A84966 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:54:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:54:03 -0500 (EST) From: freebsd@fongaboo.com X-X-Sender: fongaboo@helix.wtfayla.net To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: What is the "thinnest" display manager available? In-Reply-To: <5293C1D4.3010608@rawbw.com> Message-ID: References: <5293C1D4.3010608@rawbw.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 04:01:16 -0000 I am liking Openbox on Crunchbang Linux. I am guessing there's no reason it couldn't be used on FreeBSD though? On Mon, 25 Nov 2013, Yuri wrote: > I want to have as few packages installed as possible, and I want to use small > window manager (dwm). But what is the thinnest display manager available? I > know kdm and gdm both work, but both pull a ton of dependencies which I don't > want. > > Features required: > * automatic start (through /etc/rc.conf) > * automatically run xorg and window manager of choice > * automatically login a particular user > * not many or no dependencies > > What is the smallest display manager that qualifies? > > Or maybe there is an easy way to run xorg + WM with some simple shell script? > Anything like this ready to use? > > Yuri > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 30 06:41:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCDEBE2 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 06:41:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm21-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm21-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.62.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C33D1F21 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 06:41:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [216.39.60.165] by nm21.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2013 06:37:54 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.119] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2013 06:37:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp114.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2013 06:37:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s1024; t=1385793474; bh=2wXrSsjEJ8AGVfyRtXMW/rjTJZOFsMZqGctiiK93VEw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Message-ID:Date:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Subject:References; b=4evk0meBlHAPkenOlw/wLZLOLAmfWr3XvOU84dpkl6A1W1Phj/NgZ2tqb2j833jWxoUMaTYsE4WubyGSwoCEhse06Ut1yhAQsekOwHnbRLIeX/czufK+Z7PfCfiiRYyyuufSYC6yIchZYlQrXgzV2WISAyxjmkm5hRXb5DNhZ50= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 916964.89166.bm@smtp114.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Message-ID: <916964.89166.bm@smtp114.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:37:54 -0800 (PST) X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 8NG1ENgVM1lZxNLEqSf_OSFniZER584In4NQIfPkQczwIrF hVCSGSekC4OYAskU8VwjlRSGoYgHnV7Zb.Ms2NwVGWbA1o_6NxMVY6ViRtaU NaV.oEnjaS4HZCDvqqHa4jS5y44FHpf5wjbFpN5nccrCoJ4NCACKZDurFUsv gbVseve5HAovIek3I9MILy350Rx3zqeOwZMXb8S42ZpK2ktDQzvSLlwVooL_ jjPWtfF_jufReieP9zRrGA8IY4y6FWoTz0D16fUEdyfSm7hiGVPR0Jia.17o tpfkwYyTjAltUF5Jvml.q.eVTgMcSsaaktPBwE.tv2zfAPanxIU520EriPB3 l8i7Ssfy4uSQTb1wvgHLR0tAkbm2nmdCDTnEstNOArmOrvIi4REAYsm8RKHX dFKPhL_EcbP31nMwNPHlXaAsbU6xQZOKnNzoXLJoUD.Fnnwl.lwLO9uQwLFI xk0Z.PglVgHgrLLimxN8qwdd3zfro9R3SiGM.KM7wWq5srbJPmuXwN66HoBV qhka25.biYFcx2ybGjrFGbzQ1K3Dmz9W0G6k7ML2RBs0InkeJAAqIgn4q09_ PU7wV0Yb2NCdBpSlXvA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: Kz_aW1.swBBYof3zAD7.RWzXz9ZAQVDMml1VADsbgPT4Kq79LC0- X-Rocket-Received: from localhost (mueller6724@96.28.178.143 with ) by smtp114.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2013 22:37:54 -0800 PST From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: What is the "thinnest" display manager available? References: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 06:41:30 -0000 > I am liking Openbox on Crunchbang Linux. I am guessing there's no > reason it couldn't be used on FreeBSD though? I've never run Openbox but see it in FreeBSD ports, so try it. 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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 12:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <5293C1D4.3010608@rawbw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginm.net User-Agent: Pan/0.139 (Sexual Chocolate; GIT bf56508 git://git.gnome.org/pan2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 12:54:42 -0000 On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:54:03 -0500, freebsd wrote: > I am liking Openbox on Crunchbang Linux. I am guessing there's no reason > it couldn't be used on FreeBSD though? > Openbox works fine on FreeBSD, but this is going off-topic. OB is not a display manager; it's a window manager. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 30 18:03:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF491983 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:03:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from oneyou.mcmli.com (oneyou.mcmli.com [IPv6:2001:470:1d:8da::100]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 891B11FE6 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:03:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sentry.24cl.com (sentry.24cl.com [IPv6:2001:470:89e9:1:feed::1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "sentry.24cl.com", Issuer "Mike's Certificate Authority" (verified OK)) by oneyou.mcmli.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3dX0nY0n07z1DPw for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:03:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from BigBloat (bigbloat.24cl.home [10.20.1.4]) by sentry.24cl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3dX0nT5vJzz1Bjc for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:03:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <201311301303210813.05DE187E@smtp.24cl.home> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:03:21 -0500 From: "Mike." To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: gmirror, gpart and MBR vs GPT in the Handbook Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:03:31 -0000 Hi, The Handbook page about creating a gmirror array ( http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/geom-mi rror.html ) has the command: gpart create -s MBR mirror/gm0 I've read elsewhere in the handbook that GPT is preferrable to the older and less versatile MBR scheme. Is there a specific reason why MBR was used in the Handbook example for creating a mirror, instead of GPT? Or was it just a preference of the person who wrote that Handbook page? Thanks, Mike. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 30 18:08:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5ECB0B82 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:08:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 222321015 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:08:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-106-241.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.106.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C949227742; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:07:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rAUI7glu005313; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:07:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:07:42 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Mike." Subject: Re: gmirror, gpart and MBR vs GPT in the Handbook Message-Id: <20131130190742.2b1d7e36.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <201311301303210813.05DE187E@smtp.24cl.home> References: <201311301303210813.05DE187E@smtp.24cl.home> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:08:04 -0000 On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:03:21 -0500, Mike. wrote: > Is there a specific reason why MBR was used in the Handbook > example for creating a mirror, instead of GPT? Or was it just > a preference of the person who wrote that Handbook page? Refer to this document for a demonstration which is more directed toward GPT: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/gmirror.html The Handbook's mentioning of MBR, even though commands involved are centered around gpart (instead of the more traditional tools fdisk and bsdlabel) seems to suggest that an update might be indicated. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gmirror, gpart and MBR vs GPT in the Handbook Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:00:05 -0000 On 11/30/2013 at 7:07 PM Polytropon wrote: |On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:03:21 -0500, Mike. wrote: |> Is there a specific reason why MBR was used in the Handbook |> example for creating a mirror, instead of GPT? Or was it just |> a preference of the person who wrote that Handbook page? | |Refer to this document for a demonstration which is more |directed toward GPT: | |http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/gmirror.html | |The Handbook's mentioning of MBR, even though commands |involved are centered around gpart (instead of the more |traditional tools fdisk and bsdlabel) seems to suggest |that an update might be indicated. :-) ============= Excellent, that site looks to be a very good resource. I'm still trying to learn all the GEOM and other gstuff at this point. I'm finding that there's a lot to learn. :) Many thanks for the quick and informative reply. Mike. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 30 21:17:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA2821EB for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 21:17:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E4B41A3F for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 21:17:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id rAULHd3Q099988; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:17:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id rAULHdUG099985; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:17:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:17:39 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: "Mike." Subject: Re: gmirror, gpart and MBR vs GPT in the Handbook In-Reply-To: <201311301303210813.05DE187E@smtp.24cl.home> Message-ID: References: <201311301303210813.05DE187E@smtp.24cl.home> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:17:39 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 21:17:41 -0000 On Sat, 30 Nov 2013, Mike. wrote: > The Handbook page about creating a gmirror array > ( http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/geom-mirror.html ) > has the command: > > gpart create -s MBR mirror/gm0 > > I've read elsewhere in the handbook that GPT is preferrable to > the older and less versatile MBR scheme. Mostly, it is. > Is there a specific reason why MBR was used in the Handbook > example for creating a mirror, instead of GPT? Yes, there was, see the last paragraph of the Metadata Issues subsection, http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/geom-mirror.html#geom-mirror-metadata > Or was it just a preference of the person who wrote that Handbook > page? That was me, and I would much prefer GPT. However, whole-disk gmirror metadata and the GPT backup table conflict. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 30 21:30:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAFC4933 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 21:30:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97BAB1AEB for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 21:30:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id rAULUNgg000183; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:30:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id rAULUNtb000180; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:30:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:30:23 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: "Mike." Subject: Re: gmirror, gpart and MBR vs GPT in the Handbook In-Reply-To: <201311301459580085.0648D9AC@smtp.24cl.home> Message-ID: References: <201311301303210813.05DE187E@smtp.24cl.home> <20131130190742.2b1d7e36.freebsd@edvax.de> <201311301459580085.0648D9AC@smtp.24cl.home> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:30:23 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 21:30:25 -0000 On Sat, 30 Nov 2013, Mike. wrote: > On 11/30/2013 at 7:07 PM Polytropon wrote: > > |On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:03:21 -0500, Mike. wrote: > |> Is there a specific reason why MBR was used in the Handbook > |> example for creating a mirror, instead of GPT? Or was it > just > |> a preference of the person who wrote that Handbook page? > | > |Refer to this document for a demonstration which is more > |directed toward GPT: > | > |http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/gmirror.html > | > |The Handbook's mentioning of MBR, even though commands > |involved are centered around gpart (instead of the more > |traditional tools fdisk and bsdlabel) seems to suggest > |that an update might be indicated. :-) fdisk and bsdlabel are not needed, gpart does everything they can do. > Excellent, that site looks to be a very good resource. That document shows how to mirror GPT partitions, but there are definite downsides. I really should update that article. At least for now, MBR is still the way to go for mirroring a whole drive. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 30 21:47:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1D83EFC for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 21:47:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from btw.pki2.com (btw.pki2.com [IPv6:2001:470:a:6fd::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6AFF1C07 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 21:47:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by btw.pki2.com (8.14.7/8.14.5) with ESMTP id rAULl4bw061373 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:47:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@pki2.com) Subject: FreeBSD 9.2 setkey/quagga BGP MD5 From: Dennis Glatting To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:47:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1385848024.67585.14.camel@btw.pki2.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-yoursite-MailScanner-Information: Dennis Glatting X-yoursite-MailScanner-ID: rAULl4bw061373 X-yoursite-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: freebsd@pki2.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 21:47:15 -0000 I am trying to use Quagga BGP with TCP MD5 checksums to a Cisco 3945 router from a FreeBSD 9.2 server. Although there is a bunch of information on how to set this up on the FreeBSD side there is a piece missing: how to specify the destination port. Specifically, and assuming I understand the setkey syntax correctly, you /cannot/ specify the destination port resulting in all TCP connections between the source and destination attempting to use MD5 checksums. Yes? In my case, I only want TCP connections to dest port 172 to use MD5, such as the following syntax that does not work: add 192.168.3.33 192.168.3.2/32[179] tcp 0x1000 -A tcp-md5 "xyzzy" ; Looking at the YACC syntax I find: add_command : ADD ipaddropts ipaddr ipaddr protocol_spec \ spi extension_spec algorithm_spec EOT Chasing "ipaddr" I find: $$ = parse_addr($1.buf, NULL); Where NULL is the port spec. I don't really want all connections to use MD5, such as RANCID and other TCP utilities. Rather, I only want MD5 to be used where I want it used. I am assuming from the YACC syntax that isn't possible. I really prefer to have some form of security, if only weak, across my infrastructure because my infrastructure is used for penetration testing and my users occasionally forget a route, or two, or three, resulting in penetration tests against the infrastructure and not the targets. Any suggestions? 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q9sm12732921yhk.16.2013.11.30.14.41.55 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:41:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 17:41:54 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD FreeBSD Subject: Problem with ".nsmbrc" file Message-ID: <20131130174154.1626bb32@scorpio> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 22:41:57 -0000 Since updating to FreeBSD 10 BETA, I have had problems getting "mount_smbfs" working correctly. When I use the "-N" flag, I receive an error message: # /usr/sbin/mount_smbfs -f 0664 -N -U user@isp.com //username@server/Documents /usr/home/username/WinDocs mount_smbfs: unable to open connection: syserr = Authentication error Now, if I do not use the "-N" option, I will be prompted for the password. I enter it and all is well. This is the ".nsmbrc" file: # First, define a workgroup. [default] workgroup=WORKGROUP [SERVER:USER] addr=192.168.1.103 password=$$ I have triple checked the password and it is correct. -- Jerry