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[75.128.101.59]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f15sm18384397igd.3.2014.02.02.03.02.17 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 02 Feb 2014 03:02:17 -0800 (PST) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-19B2005C-8545-436C-8894-7C65D7DF50F0; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2D6DF212-BF65-4784-B466-8F595DF2059B@dataix.net> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11B554a) From: Jason Hellenthal Subject: Re: remove shutdown messages in console Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 06:02:14 -0500 To: Reza Mirzazadeh X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.17 Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 11:02:20 -0000 --Apple-Mail-19B2005C-8545-436C-8894-7C65D7DF50F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Either configure syslogd correctly or use sysctl consmute -- Jason Hellenthal Voice: 95.30.17.6/616 JJH48-ARIN > On Feb 2, 2014, at 5:07, Reza Mirzazadeh wrote: > > hi . how can i remove shutdown messages in console ? or even print my > arbitrary messages in console ? > > > *** FINAL System shutdown message from root@geekiam *** > System going down IMMEDIATELY > > some messages like these ! i don't want it print theses messages > -- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --Apple-Mail-19B2005C-8545-436C-8894-7C65D7DF50F0 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 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mail1.multiplay.co.uk (mail1.multiplay.co.uk [85.236.96.23]) (MDaemon PRO v10.0.4) with ESMTP id md50008095745.msg for ; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 09:12:08 +0000 X-Spam-Processed: mail1.multiplay.co.uk, Mon, 03 Feb 2014 09:12:08 +0000 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDDKIM-Result: neutral (mail1.multiplay.co.uk) X-MDRemoteIP: 82.69.141.170 X-Return-Path: prvs=11110da11f=killing@multiplay.co.uk X-Envelope-From: killing@multiplay.co.uk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <00018D706D2B4278A74A58BE482BF968@multiplay.co.uk> From: "Steven Hartland" To: Subject: iconv support in 10.x compatibility with closed source apps? Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 09:12:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 09:12:18 -0000 Since 10.x includes iconv in base the converts/libiconv port refuses to build with the error: ===> libiconv-1.14_1 converters/libiconv should not be used with iconv from base. Please fix the port which tries to use it. Now thats all well and good if this was port but its not its a piece of close source software which is linked to libiconv.so.3 So without the option of recompiling the application with base iconv what's the correct fix? Regards Steve ================================================ This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone +44 845 868 1337 or return the E.mail to postmaster@multiplay.co.uk. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 3 10:29:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D81AEB4 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 10:29:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailrelay002.isp.belgacom.be (mailrelay002.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.6.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BAF31684 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 10:29:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Belgacom-Dynamic: yes X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnMGAAVv71JR8ZJI/2dsb2JhbABZgwy8H4MIgQQXdIIlAQEFOhwjEAsOCgklDyoeBogcActvF48JB4Q4AQOYKZIigy47 Received: from 72.146-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (HELO kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org) ([81.241.146.72]) by relay.skynet.be with ESMTP; 03 Feb 2014 11:29:15 +0100 Received: from kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org [127.0.0.1]) by kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s13ATExY004283; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 11:29:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from tijl@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 11:29:13 +0100 From: Tijl Coosemans To: "Steven Hartland" Subject: Re: iconv support in 10.x compatibility with closed source apps? Message-ID: <20140203112913.47bfc11b@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> In-Reply-To: <00018D706D2B4278A74A58BE482BF968@multiplay.co.uk> References: <00018D706D2B4278A74A58BE482BF968@multiplay.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 10:29:23 -0000 On Mon, 3 Feb 2014 09:12:10 -0000 Steven Hartland wrote: > Since 10.x includes iconv in base the converts/libiconv port > refuses to build with the error: > > ===> libiconv-1.14_1 converters/libiconv should not be used > with iconv from base. Please fix the port which tries to use it. > > Now thats all well and good if this was port but its not its > a piece of close source software which is linked to libiconv.so.3 > > So without the option of recompiling the application with base > iconv what's the correct fix? Update your ports tree and install converters/libiconv. The ban has been lifted. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 3 16:41:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BBC5782 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 16:41:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oa0-x22a.google.com (mail-oa0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c02::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08EE51A35 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 16:41:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id i7so8457090oag.1 for ; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 08:41:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=kR0OulDm3lFV8i8mWtuk4IUUfE28slL9y57IUaKg3rA=; b=cDvSzEg2gawMTYhN3ltNEjQOjWcQLSC7cHygWphp8Bu4Gzcv+dBM1W+VJRV74Bcqag JPtGRT6fkSBNueUju0RVzBsiOaV89XrnJ80gtFYPkWwRWJMqDqpGLDdboWiyJLj5YsS6 ZACHTjxFXg9Bhy4VSQEERDgXvAxj7utBPd64hv0MDNYpi3inPZ8ffo4jShROiR9V9uvT PI7MVgp98K5ps7/hQIpmKWv0P8N5KgfeWrKzcsiPvWPMwdBpw4dxBkh4dVYm+APgGYRS CTqoSea6cxb9CWyPPqh5YgTIIYP3lVB6W0jru1qTTlsVbWXeWpprrrUrr3EOanv1tICD V2BQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.233.136 with SMTP id tw8mr641882oec.84.1391445673098; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 08:41:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.130.196 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 08:41:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 11:41:13 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Races in ichsmb(9) when accessed from a multithreaded process From: Ryan Stone To: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 16:41:14 -0000 ichsmb.c has the following rather worrisome comment: * This driver assumes that the generic SMBus code will ensure that * at most one process at a time calls into the SMBus methods below. However, when I look at the code is sys/dev/smbus, I see nothing that actually guarantees this if two threads in the same process call ioctls on the same file descriptor. It does call smbus_request_bus, but mostly that just calls down into the smbus implementation (in this case ichsmb) with SMBUS_CALLBACK. ichsmb always just acks the request, so no actual locking ends up occurring. Is it intended that smb(9) clients be required to do their own locking? It seems to me that that is way more fragile than it needs to be. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 3 19:42:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FD21B1F for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 19:42:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B18C1C80 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 19:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.178.29] (a82-161-114-74.adsl.xs4all.nl [82.161.114.74]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s13JXB9M047184 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 20:33:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from w-info2@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <52EFEEF7.5010704@xs4all.nl> Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 20:33:11 +0100 From: Photo stuff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: The sonewconn listen queue overflow issue Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 19:46:38 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 19:42:03 -0000 L.S. I came across a lot of messages in the log since, I think, about 9.1, that sometimes fill it up so much that all else is made invisible, of the type: sonewconn: pcb 0xyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy: Listen queue overflow: 8 already in queue awaiting acceptance I searched a bit on the web and came across recommendations to try netstat -nAa to find out which program this came from. Well, running netstat -nAa |grep pcb 0xyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy in a loop didn't work, it didn't give any output even though the messages kept coming in the log during that time. I forgot about it then recently searched a bit more, and I found this page: http://lawrencechen.net/2014/sonewconn-pcb-0xfffffe006acd9310-listen-queue So a listen queue overflow of 8 is caused by a listen value of 5 (QLEN > 3 * (QLIM / 2)) Doing: netstat -LaAn | grep '/5 ' resulted in ffffzzzzzzzzzzzz tcp4 0/0/5 127.0.0.1:8000 The ffffzzz value was not the value in the message log, but the connection means in my case it had to be the junkbuster proxy (which I still use, still works well :) ), as I didn't run anything else locally. So I looked into junkbuster's cource and in bind.c I changed 2 instances of: while (listen(fd, 5) == -1) { to while (listen(fd, 10) == -1) { /* 10 instead of 5, this fixes dmesg spamming of the type 'sonewconn: pcb 0xyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy: Listen queue overflow: 8 already in queue awaiting acceptance'? */ This improved the situation, but still gave the issue of the log filling up too much. So then I changed it to 20, which gave me silence :) Checking the latest log I couldn't find anything in the last 10 days. So for people who have this issue I recommend calculating which value the listen-value that the overflow-value corresponds to, then checking as above and then it should be possible to find the daemon causing the issue. And modify that program... But while this removes the errors, what do these messages really signify? I mean which didn't this happen before in earlier versions of FreeBSD? Some people have recommended just to stop using certain programs but that doesn't seem a solution. listen(2) doesn't give a real clue. It mentions changes to the queue in 4.5, so very long ago. Haven't read commit logs to see if there are hints there :) Btw., at the moment (running 10.0 RC2) my message log now gets filled up with something else :) hwpstate0: set freq failed, err 6 This happened long ago already in 9.1 with my AMD3500+ and still now on my AMD FX6100... Regards, Wouter From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 3 20:28:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4118820 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 20:28:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mho-01-ewr.mailhop.org (mho-03-ewr.mailhop.org [204.13.248.66]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 969C210DE for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 20:28:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-8-230-52.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.230.52] helo=damnhippie.dyndns.org) by mho-01-ewr.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WAQ8M-0004h5-53; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 20:28:46 +0000 Received: from [172.22.42.240] (revolution.hippie.lan [172.22.42.240]) by damnhippie.dyndns.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id s13KShAA063467; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 13:28:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ian@FreeBSD.org) X-Mail-Handler: Dyn Standard SMTP by Dyn X-Originating-IP: 24.8.230.52 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.dyndns.com/services/sendlabs/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX1+GsyLnOmLD9DYq7EFQ9kQj Subject: Re: Races in ichsmb(9) when accessed from a multithreaded process From: Ian Lepore To: Ryan Stone In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 13:28:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1391459323.13026.100.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 20:28:47 -0000 On Mon, 2014-02-03 at 11:41 -0500, Ryan Stone wrote: > ichsmb.c has the following rather worrisome comment: > > * This driver assumes that the generic SMBus code will ensure that > * at most one process at a time calls into the SMBus methods below. > > However, when I look at the code is sys/dev/smbus, I see nothing that > actually guarantees this if two threads in the same process call > ioctls on the same file descriptor. It does call smbus_request_bus, > but mostly that just calls down into the smbus implementation (in this > case ichsmb) with SMBUS_CALLBACK. ichsmb always just acks the > request, so no actual locking ends up occurring. > > Is it intended that smb(9) clients be required to do their own > locking? It seems to me that that is way more fragile than it needs > to be. It looks to me like most of the SMBUS_CALLBACK implementations are stubbed out, and thus are wrong. The notable exceptions are iicbus/iicsmb.c which relies on the underlying iic driver to get it right (and I know at least some of them do), and bktr/bktr_i2c.c which has what looks like good exclusive-bus-grant logic (modulo the use of Giant for locking). -- Ian From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 3 21:20:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BF3A8C0 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 21:20:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from elf.torek.net (50-73-42-1-utah.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.73.42.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35B0E161A for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 21:20:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from elf.torek.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elf.torek.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s13L10PA092761; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 14:01:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from torek@elf.torek.net) Received: (from torek@localhost) by elf.torek.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id s13L10rm092760; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 14:01:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from torek) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 14:01:00 -0700 (MST) From: Chris Torek Message-Id: <201402032101.s13L10rm092760@elf.torek.net> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, rysto32@gmail.com Subject: Re: Races in ichsmb(9) when accessed from a multithreaded process In-Reply-To: X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (elf.torek.net [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 03 Feb 2014 14:01:00 -0700 (MST) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 22:13:23 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 21:20:51 -0000 Yes, we found that the code does not properly allow either multiple threads *or* multiple processes to work. The top level driver makes it a single-open device (which has the obvious drawback that only one process can open() the device). But even then, multiple threads within a process, or forking, or using PF_LOCAL sockets to hand over the file descriptor, result in races. We have a hack that makes it work for our case but the SMB framework needs an overhaul. Chris From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 4 03:27:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 646A5838 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 03:27:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vps1.elischer.org (vps1.elischer.org [204.109.63.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3319D1A9C for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 03:27:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Julian-MBP3.local (50-196-156-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.196.156.133]) (authenticated bits=0) by vps1.elischer.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s143Qu0Y041296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 19:27:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <52F05DFC.7070007@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 11:26:52 +0800 From: Julian Elischer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: remove shutdown messages in console References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 03:27:08 -0000 On 2/2/14, 6:07 PM, Reza Mirzazadeh wrote: > hi . how can i remove shutdown messages in console ? or even print my > arbitrary messages in console ? > > > *** FINAL System shutdown message from root@geekiam *** > System going down IMMEDIATELY > > some messages like these ! i don't want it print theses messages > -- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > we implimented the consmute sysctl option to "mute" an otherwise configured console for exactly this purpose. (and boot messages). From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 4 18:30:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC551736 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 18:30:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BCCC1AD8 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 18:30:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.46]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id B71EA22140 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 13:30:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3 ([10.202.2.213]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:30:49 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=message-id:from:to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:in-reply-to:references :subject:date; s=smtpout; bh=4v6UBl4B0CPV6kEA2n579/L2e7A=; b=emR Q4UzRw/vsOjl3+rA/rq3DLu3gXF8J/t0zqgtd4P0DEs09IGThbvdmbbjspDpGQWs NLD35yg+5BScv1/a+hW1z45HBIEeVadj8Z9/SziuKkJi1ARarfumyvokuapsYDcP WYrQH2Li2ZbrmeAI/x4DSuDcISNhWYlsp27MPDrI= Received: by web3.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix, from userid 99) id 976A2115411; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 13:30:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: Z2dNwp7mrXDZ19uFCIH3sjIHMe+EDmE3mPprpx0UnLNt 1391538649 From: Mark Felder To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-48f3fadc In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 12:30:49 -0600 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 18:30:51 -0000 On Fri, Jan 31, 2014, at 12:13, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > AMD just presented it's ARM based CPU and motherboard. is support in > FreeBSD planned and what is it's status? > Is it even available to purchase? From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 4 21:00:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F1EEB83; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 21:00:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ve0-x22d.google.com (mail-ve0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c01::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0289D1A5B; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 21:00:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f173.google.com with SMTP id oz11so6362160veb.4 for ; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:00:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=9lRkfX1Gr1p8GuHZwoJ1ALsSZbxdj+/nyMDgmggi30M=; b=eF3HhhabE2ENpIOjf/q2VU2x5VYZ9iMGZQojZ/GliFIa8C/pNSVHALkjQaOpbK+cpF Rtznsvc1NcsaDMT0+PQt51wr9NWqe2CTHkziRV52IXD1PYPMKu32yBZ+WtBWIIpYi/Ti fsVxF2aqKV2cKErCgquiAbfihj/wH+m3Pj3NRMzA2MKr/AReHquEV3ig7YNADmpsHZeW 1S1WB9uV5v/3JUUtUVF/iGABInAsvKNA1/YGLcUipr9klo/dgiwnfqTgIiZKkq9/ckDW bRdpBkpimhYwzn1G+FryF1BFWIP7CQQo6MhPRcaj6mI7uqe4RgKvwcsgUry1S3Kz9oid nsRA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.103.141 with SMTP id k13mr7536694vco.25.1391547647952; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:00:47 -0800 (PST) Sender: thomas.e.zander@googlemail.com Received: by 10.220.139.212 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 13:00:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.139.212 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 13:00:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:00:47 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: P61fDYjzTrB14mAiAV1vTO5swwU Message-ID: Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm From: Thomas Zander To: Mark Felder Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.17 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 21:00:49 -0000 On 4 Feb 2014 19:31, "Mark Felder" wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 31, 2014, at 12:13, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > AMD just presented it's ARM based CPU and motherboard. is support in > > FreeBSD planned and what is it's status? > > > > Is it even available to purchase? No but it may well be an early reminder of the upcoming generation of powerful ARM servers that we don't want to leave unsupported. Riggs From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 4 21:21:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1A63301 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 21:21:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f175.google.com (mail-ob0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 911891C9E for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 21:21:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f175.google.com with SMTP id wn1so10129847obc.20 for ; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:21:05 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=pM+Fyd1wrSDaKJ0ZMbxmDtCijT1ipdBe+rOhOWrjaag=; b=JySvErymV6EnuDdzMLeoDgvVDv2HIYpEAvZMipCVLwB08FvvsMVR94VPhV4NQGT0mO kpNL7ZwKpb3X95/7Xnjgu54WVZf/IQ5Awm3PaKMuiaHFPjGWELEDqAT6soDoDQKDMQ6G X1pnwvBGuuVkNkAWmFmiuciWp16BhotZrkHpVa1co9M+fUbYxLwDWr7cqWr1PIHM9aXY AsTOE996TadPFeQ4BRQ+HAwr7KmFCpkHtzUQMxXZQGx+FpcsQ93pZPeZPc7j0oKJ/A2z VeDfPkjrILGKFucvAlTb37Aj30ltHbvfPvStv+5bsqmVxgxvFDJQyRzyxv4YK9nlI7zm lnUA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkt+KdFjfFVkICJs56hyShqrLhL3+t5IGVXtWoX7Pg95zJrzyaopcycxMkR8phH/ThpwEw0 X-Received: by 10.60.146.235 with SMTP id tf11mr3940925oeb.63.1391548865504; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:21:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2610:160:11:33:a193:f608:68b1:ba5c? ([2610:160:11:33:a193:f608:68b1:ba5c]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id z5sm43985176obg.13.2014.02.04.13.21.04 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:21:04 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm From: Jim Thompson In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 15:21:03 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> To: Thomas Zander X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 21:21:06 -0000 On Feb 4, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Thomas Zander wrote: > On 4 Feb 2014 19:31, "Mark Felder" wrote: >>=20 >> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014, at 12:13, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> AMD just presented it's ARM based CPU and motherboard. is support in >>> FreeBSD planned and what is it's status? >>>=20 >>=20 >> Is it even available to purchase? >=20 > No but it may well be an early reminder of the upcoming generation of > powerful ARM servers that we don't want to leave unsupported. =93may well be=94 isn=92t that attractive when the 8-core, 64-bit Intel = C2000 parts are here, now, at a lower TDP (20W, .vs 25W for the a1100. 22nm rocks).=20 When Intel moves the C2K series to 14nm later this year, the power = savings will close the door. The opteron a1100 samples in March, I wouldn=92t expect boards before = Summer. 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([2610:160:11:33:a193:f608:68b1:ba5c]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ru3sm44145960obc.2.2014.02.04.13.42.20 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:42:21 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm From: Jim Thompson In-Reply-To: <60555.1391549390@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 15:42:19 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <23B18B88-D888-46B3-99F6-905F86E20FAF@netgate.com> References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <60555.1391549390@critter.freebsd.dk> To: Poul-Henning Kamp X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) Cc: Thomas Zander , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 21:42:29 -0000 On Feb 4, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp = wrote: > In message <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com>, Jim = Thompson wri > tes: >=20 >>> No but it may well be an early reminder of the upcoming generation = of >>> powerful ARM servers that we don't want to leave unsupported. >>=20 >> isn't that attractive when the 8-core, 64-bit Intel C20 >> 00 parts are here, now, at a lower TDP >> (20W, .vs 25W for the a1100. 22nm rocks).=20 >=20 > I very much welcome a competing 64bit CPU into the marketplace and > will buy one myself, as soon as I can, for no other reason than to > help break the X86 monopoly on server architecture. >=20 > Monopolies are never a good thing. True, but I didn=92t say that the chip wasn=92t interesting. What I = said is that it=92s not that attractive (to the real market for these: = micro servers). The dual 10Gig Ethernet and 8 SATA 3.0 ports are interesting. You = won=92t get that with a C2K system at 25W TDP, (4 x GigE that can run at = 2.5Gbps per port, and 2 SATA 3.0 ports currently) but Intel owns IP for = both, so if that becomes a differentiator for design wins, I=92d expect = a future variant to cover. But by all means, port FreeBSD to it. Perhaps it can be the = long-desired =93reference platform=94 to bring ARM into a =93Tier 1=94 = architecture status. Jim From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 4 21:36:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95F05786; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 21:36:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [130.225.244.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48FF61DD1; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 21:36:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [192.168.61.3]) by phk.freebsd.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B8E3EB4A; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 21:29:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s14LTobY060556; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 21:29:50 GMT (envelope-from phk@phk.freebsd.dk) To: Jim Thompson Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm In-reply-to: <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 21:29:50 +0000 Message-ID: <60555.1391549390@critter.freebsd.dk> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 21:44:54 +0000 Cc: Thomas Zander , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 21:36:59 -0000 In message <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com>, Jim Thompson wri tes: >> No but it may well be an early reminder of the upcoming generation of >> powerful ARM servers that we don't want to leave unsupported. > >isn't that attractive when the 8-core, 64-bit Intel C20 >00 parts are here, now, at a lower TDP >(20W, .vs 25W for the a1100. 22nm rocks). I very much welcome a competing 64bit CPU into the marketplace and will buy one myself, as soon as I can, for no other reason than to help break the X86 monopoly on server architecture. Monopolies are never a good thing. ... Not even if they're FOSS software: LLVM did wonders for the GCC projects drive and attitude. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 4 22:10:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3CA41B4F for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:10:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mho-01-ewr.mailhop.org (mho-03-ewr.mailhop.org [204.13.248.66]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05D7E1212 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:09:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-8-230-52.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.230.52] helo=damnhippie.dyndns.org) by mho-01-ewr.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WAoBq-000EnU-Af; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 22:09:58 +0000 Received: from [172.22.42.240] (revolution.hippie.lan [172.22.42.240]) by damnhippie.dyndns.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id s14M9t9n065193; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 15:09:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ian@FreeBSD.org) X-Mail-Handler: Dyn Standard SMTP by Dyn X-Originating-IP: 24.8.230.52 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.dyndns.com/services/sendlabs/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX1/AMFdTnwAdiEqgZRE1czEP Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm From: Ian Lepore To: Jim Thompson In-Reply-To: <23B18B88-D888-46B3-99F6-905F86E20FAF@netgate.com> References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <60555.1391549390@critter.freebsd.dk> <23B18B88-D888-46B3-99F6-905F86E20FAF@netgate.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-13" Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 15:09:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1391551795.1196.11.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by damnhippie.dyndns.org id s14M9t9n065193 Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 22:10:00 -0000 On Tue, 2014-02-04 at 15:42 -0600, Jim Thompson wrote: > On Feb 4, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrot= e: >=20 > > In message <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com>, Jim Th= ompson wri > > tes: > >=20 > >>> No but it may well be an early reminder of the upcoming generation = of > >>> powerful ARM servers that we don't want to leave unsupported. > >>=20 > >> isn't that attractive when the 8-core, 64-bit Intel C20 > >> 00 parts are here, now, at a lower TDP > >> (20W, .vs 25W for the a1100. 22nm rocks).=20 > >=20 > > I very much welcome a competing 64bit CPU into the marketplace and > > will buy one myself, as soon as I can, for no other reason than to > > help break the X86 monopoly on server architecture. > >=20 > > Monopolies are never a good thing. >=20 > True, but I didn=FFt say that the chip wasn=FFt interesting. What I s= aid is that it=FFs not that attractive (to the real market for these: mic= ro servers). >=20 > The dual 10Gig Ethernet and 8 SATA 3.0 ports are interesting. You won= =FFt get that with a C2K system at 25W TDP, (4 x GigE that can run at 2.5= Gbps per port, and 2 SATA 3.0 ports currently) but Intel owns IP for both= , so if that becomes a differentiator for design wins, I=FFd expect a fut= ure variant to cover. >=20 > But by all means, port FreeBSD to it. Perhaps it can be the long-desir= ed =B4reference platform=A1 to bring ARM into a =B4Tier 1=A1 architecture= status. >=20 > Jim We have no shortage of ARM platforms. IMO the thing that prevents ARM from becoming tier 1 is manpower. -- Ian From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 4 22:12:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C29F1E2A; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:12:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru [IPv6:2a01:4f8:131:60a2::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D0612BE; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:12:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lion.home.serebryakov.spb.ru (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:923f:1:cc06:8a07:85a3:8279]) (Authenticated sender: lev@serebryakov.spb.ru) by onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AD1C94AC1C; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 02:12:06 +0400 (MSK) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 02:12:01 +0400 From: Lev Serebryakov Organization: FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <28896996.20140205021201@serebryakov.spb.ru> To: Jim Thompson Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm In-Reply-To: <23B18B88-D888-46B3-99F6-905F86E20FAF@netgate.com> References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <60555.1391549390@critter.freebsd.dk> <23B18B88-D888-46B3-99F6-905F86E20FAF@netgate.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Thomas Zander , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Poul-Henning Kamp X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: lev@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 22:12:08 -0000 Hello, Jim. You wrote 5 =F4=E5=E2=F0=E0=EB=FF 2014 =E3., 1:42:19: JT> But by all means, port FreeBSD to it. Perhaps it can be the JT> long-desired =93reference platform=94 to bring ARM into a =93Tier 1=94 = architecture status. It is ARMv8A, which is differs from ARMv5/6/7 as i385 from amd64. So, we should talks about TWO architectures here, as we talk about i386 and amd64. --=20 // Black Lion AKA Lev Serebryakov From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 4 22:15:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F0EAF62; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:15:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru [IPv6:2a01:4f8:131:60a2::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06DC12E5; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:15:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lion.home.serebryakov.spb.ru (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:923f:1:cc06:8a07:85a3:8279]) (Authenticated sender: lev@serebryakov.spb.ru) by onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8521F4AC5A; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 02:15:40 +0400 (MSK) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 02:15:36 +0400 From: Lev Serebryakov Organization: FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1801933421.20140205021536@serebryakov.spb.ru> To: Lev Serebryakov Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm In-Reply-To: <28896996.20140205021201@serebryakov.spb.ru> References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <60555.1391549390@critter.freebsd.dk> <23B18B88-D888-46B3-99F6-905F86E20FAF@netgate.com> <28896996.20140205021201@serebryakov.spb.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Thomas Zander , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Jim Thompson , Poul-Henning Kamp X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: lev@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 22:15:42 -0000 Hello, Lev. You wrote 5 =F4=E5=E2=F0=E0=EB=FF 2014 =E3., 2:12:01: JT>> But by all means, port FreeBSD to it. Perhaps it can be the JT>> long-desired =93reference platform=94 to bring ARM into a =93Tier 1=94= architecture status. LS> It is ARMv8A, which is differs from ARMv5/6/7 as i385 from amd64. So, = we LS> should talks about TWO architectures here, as we talk about i386 and am= d64. I'm not even sure, that we have compiler for ARMv8, as we have very old gcc, and is LLVM AArch64 backend production-ready? --=20 // Black Lion AKA Lev Serebryakov From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 4 21:48:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 861BD247; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 21:48:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [130.225.244.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447ED1023; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 21:48:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [192.168.61.3]) by phk.freebsd.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 585C53EB67; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 21:48:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s14LmKXp060682; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 21:48:20 GMT (envelope-from phk@phk.freebsd.dk) To: Jim Thompson Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm In-reply-to: <23B18B88-D888-46B3-99F6-905F86E20FAF@netgate.com> From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <60555.1391549390@critter.freebsd.dk> <23B18B88-D888-46B3-99F6-905F86E20FAF@netgate.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 21:48:20 +0000 Message-ID: <60681.1391550500@critter.freebsd.dk> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 22:18:18 +0000 Cc: Thomas Zander , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 21:48:21 -0000 In message <23B18B88-D888-46B3-99F6-905F86E20FAF@netgate.com>, Jim Thompson wri tes: >The dual 10Gig Ethernet and 8 SATA 3.0 ports are interesting. You >won't get that with a C2K system at 25W TDP [...] Couple that with some decent SSD disks and you have a system that should be able to pump out close to 400k HTTP requests a second running Varnish... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 4 22:31:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D562F8EC for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:31:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0FF21542 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:31:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.46]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92ACB20969 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 17:31:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3 ([10.202.2.213]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 04 Feb 2014 17:31:27 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=message-id:from:to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:in-reply-to:references :subject:date; s=smtpout; bh=87Gqzm079T1V1m6vIrVoUDDkM38=; b=Jf8 QbQJ5aHHAr/sX81fhnDkgTJneKP1s5+rQkt5rRlaZwS+OzQdaIuTqTg0oO1F2rkg U2VUPT+wffw5Vm+b/FbfW3/k7xShYgrAHAIzhC72h+sh3ISOST8QiWyFOsiEMTMS C8txgLoMMWqPz7MueDJ+74TChyMxYP708qD241Ik= Received: by web3.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix, from userid 99) id 6F744117509; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 17:31:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1391553087.27234.79361889.59679194@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: 5d3G1xb8v74epqbbL78pw18mdeLZRHRs90C9snIR+H1W 1391553087 From: Mark Felder To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-48f3fadc In-Reply-To: <60681.1391550500@critter.freebsd.dk> References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <60555.1391549390@critter.freebsd.dk> <23B18B88-D888-46B3-99F6-905F86E20FAF@netgate.com> <60681.1391550500@critter.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 16:31:27 -0600 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 22:31:28 -0000 On Tue, Feb 4, 2014, at 15:48, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <23B18B88-D888-46B3-99F6-905F86E20FAF@netgate.com>, Jim > Thompson wri > tes: > > >The dual 10Gig Ethernet and 8 SATA 3.0 ports are interesting. You > >won't get that with a C2K system at 25W TDP [...] > > Couple that with some decent SSD disks and you have a system that > should be able to pump out close to 400k HTTP requests a second > running Varnish... > Wow that would be amazing From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 4 22:35:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D582A8F; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-x234.google.com (mail-we0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C352158A; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f180.google.com with SMTP id u57so4752699wes.25 for ; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 14:35:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=Jbu0R4ATzaoZ8Qer74Q3gfi7/oaykaqEvHVDpBO1fl8=; b=lTiYMMpRqtMOHaunp2WyRgOSSST+G3/7Ga3wikGrGGJGrucPoG3rOwBoGixaMjjA6x WQMgZ95lheBTxr4yViUdWPoe8RTaSypf0+vibkF4bDpqy077Vhn1tqJ02ei7YNxI5xEE CHC2/6FKPoAmCM4RwZ45LlbAWlCxUnZ/KZDbLYdgyjqyNUgso8sq+1wp/ptRHBbu9PxK wtkPiEfEF1blXYLr9wGV5ViqUCSzTRx1J58am3n+1kAjd2WMEnxoEpimWtco3nrrE58U sGfr/m/mFRqCU82BJJLj8BwSg2ywJARFkPQQy0djQ8I766BROGm7aoTXzYn/OROc8mia VQXA== X-Received: by 10.180.107.1 with SMTP id gy1mr14412193wib.47.1391553331950; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 14:35:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ithaqua.etoilebsd.net (ithaqua.etoilebsd.net. [37.59.37.188]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id gd5sm39824099wic.0.2014.02.04.14.35.29 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 04 Feb 2014 14:35:30 -0800 (PST) Sender: Baptiste Daroussin Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 23:35:28 +0100 From: Baptiste Daroussin To: Jim Thompson Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm Message-ID: <20140204223528.GF23872@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="GV0iVqYguTV4Q9ER" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Thomas Zander , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 22:35:34 -0000 --GV0iVqYguTV4Q9ER Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 03:21:03PM -0600, Jim Thompson wrote: >=20 > On Feb 4, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Thomas Zander wrote: >=20 > > On 4 Feb 2014 19:31, "Mark Felder" wrote: > >>=20 > >> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014, at 12:13, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>> AMD just presented it's ARM based CPU and motherboard. is support in > >>> FreeBSD planned and what is it's status? > >>>=20 > >>=20 > >> Is it even available to purchase? > >=20 > > No but it may well be an early reminder of the upcoming generation of > > powerful ARM servers that we don't want to leave unsupported. >=20 > =E2=80=9Cmay well be=E2=80=9D isn=E2=80=99t that attractive when the 8-co= re, 64-bit Intel C2000 parts are here, now, at a lower TDP > (20W, .vs 25W for the a1100. 22nm rocks).=20 >=20 > When Intel moves the C2K series to 14nm later this year, the power saving= s will close the door. >=20 > The opteron a1100 samples in March, I wouldn=E2=80=99t expect boards befo= re Summer. >=20 > Jim >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" A board like this will allow portmgr to provide official and regular package built for arm! so yes for sure we do need to support that! regards, Bapt --GV0iVqYguTV4Q9ER Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAlLxazAACgkQ8kTtMUmk6EzbrwCgt0Pdk2LNdrQbZtIJUZB2eFTd 9HAAoJuSH9asQ2eCSdUrn4avzoKcm7Wd =JPE+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --GV0iVqYguTV4Q9ER-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 4 22:40:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB5AED3C for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:40:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f50.google.com (mail-pa0-f50.google.com [209.85.220.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A525A163E for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:40:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id kp14so9138359pab.37 for ; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 14:40:48 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZX+6OK3eJWUJngEaSBtbzI0RlYuyytwxGV61JLQ/1L0=; b=iqaQSX1OTDZR4hXzE0u3mwq9aWhhfhM2GoFINbUa3itv+Bop2ycPvUjhg5xr4Wn0Mh njFD5BBHtJV3Uk/B1yFMLw/dGR0JEjcULrH18myySxmpa4/NWkWyR8sbDJwRl1zvJLZc rIiOluNzutNVuxEDU6Z3IuVwRJg8ztZgd2fifdc9IouF0amsr31uYKV4zQ3UUOyiMM4o xWKhwR1FRAxDfkLLYzQjBunDqONcIbdFKNJE5SQ0jmRmBcepw2qkskfRG8YwwQmAKAaI /EkiuYLgV0sjIU+3T8RePFV3ilDUhCuEbM3cCIlX0kniFYaKt059DxWAGDdg5ofe1F93 gP1Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnSYwIQzDl0PkaNUVYk/pYddFCuQr8Kxx0Y+dpDN/lJvu4Eb2wvW0rvCStCcO2+a4ToVLlI X-Received: by 10.66.232.40 with SMTP id tl8mr16844483pac.137.1391553647965; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 14:40:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (ppp-110-168-89-45.revip5.asianet.co.th. [110.168.89.45]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qq5sm69646632pbb.24.2014.02.04.14.40.45 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 04 Feb 2014 14:40:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <52F16BA4.4060202@pathscale.com> Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 05:37:24 +0700 From: =?UTF-8?B?IkMuIEJlcmdzdHLDtm0i?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; SunOS i86pc; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130802 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Baptiste Daroussin Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <20140204223528.GF23872@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> In-Reply-To: <20140204223528.GF23872@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Thomas Zander , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Jim Thompson X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 22:40:54 -0000 On 02/ 5/14 05:35 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 03:21:03PM -0600, Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Feb 4, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Thomas Zander wrote: >> >>> On 4 Feb 2014 19:31, "Mark Felder" wrote: >>>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014, at 12:13, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>>>> AMD just presented it's ARM based CPU and motherboard. is support in >>>>> FreeBSD planned and what is it's status? >>>>> >>>> Is it even available to purchase? >>> No but it may well be an early reminder of the upcoming generation of >>> powerful ARM servers that we don't want to leave unsupported. >> “may well be” isn’t that attractive when the 8-core, 64-bit Intel C2000 parts are here, now, at a lower TDP >> (20W, .vs 25W for the a1100. 22nm rocks). >> >> When Intel moves the C2K series to 14nm later this year, the power savings will close the door. >> >> The opteron a1100 samples in March, I wouldn’t expect boards before Summer. I don't track the Atom family and not sure if C2000 is the new out-of-order version, but until that is available - this is no comparison by a long shot. Also 5w on the cpu package could easily be made up for in a superior motherboard and chassis design. Think about how much power interconnects takes, PCIe and everything else.. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 4 22:49:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6CF6F50; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:49:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [130.225.244.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80BCE169E; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:49:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [192.168.61.3]) by phk.freebsd.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319203EB43; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:49:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s14MnO6F060986; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:49:25 GMT (envelope-from phk@freebsd.org) To: =?UTF-8?B?IkMuIEJlcmdzdHLDtm0i?= Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm In-reply-to: <52F16BA4.4060202@pathscale.com> From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <20140204223528.GF23872@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <52F16BA4.4060202@pathscale.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 22:49:24 +0000 Message-ID: <60985.1391554164@critter.freebsd.dk> Cc: Thomas Zander , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Baptiste Daroussin , Jim Thompson X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 22:49:28 -0000 In message <52F16BA4.4060202@pathscale.com>, =?UTF-8?B?IkMuIEJlcmdzdHLDtm0i?= w rites: > Think about how much power interconnects takes, PCIe and everything else.. Not to mention the raw savings of avoiding all the crap that has been nailed inexpertly onto the X86 platform over the years... Did you notice that "X86 arduino" Intel just launched ? Does anybody but me cringe at the thought of an Arduino with UEFI, ACPI, microcode updates and SMM ticking away in the background to make sure it doesn't run too hot ? If ARM and AMD are smart, an ARM64 machine will have the OS loaded and handed over to in a matter of seconds rather than minutes, and that alone would make a lot of people love them. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. 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[67.198.60.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qe2sm44816591obc.1.2014.02.04.15.31.14 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 04 Feb 2014 15:31:14 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm From: Jim Thompson In-Reply-To: <1391553087.27234.79361889.59679194@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 17:31:12 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7DAAAE33-2502-410D-A840-5EFB6EB8EE0B@netgate.com> References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <60555.1391549390@critter.freebsd.dk> <23B18B88-D888-46B3-99F6-905F86E20FAF@netgate.com> <60681.1391550500@critter.freebsd.dk> <1391553087.27234.79361889.59679194@webmail.messagingengine.com> To: Mark Felder X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 23:31:22 -0000 On Feb 4, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Mark Felder wrote: >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Feb 4, 2014, at 15:48, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> In message <23B18B88-D888-46B3-99F6-905F86E20FAF@netgate.com>, Jim >> Thompson wri >> tes: >>=20 >>> The dual 10Gig Ethernet and 8 SATA 3.0 ports are interesting. You=20= >>> won't get that with a C2K system at 25W TDP [...] >>=20 >> Couple that with some decent SSD disks and you have a system that >> should be able to pump out close to 400k HTTP requests a second >> running Varnish... >>=20 >=20 > Wow that would be amazing and then there=92s Sandstorm http://conferences.sigcomm.org/hotnets/2013/papers/hotnets-final43.pdf From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 4 23:37:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64D3C8C9; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 23:37:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from i3mail.icecube.wisc.edu (i3mail.icecube.wisc.edu [128.104.255.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 018981A6B; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 23:37:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by i3mail.icecube.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554F238043; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 17:37:42 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at icecube.wisc.edu Received: from i3mail.icecube.wisc.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (i3mail.icecube.wisc.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id DMpTqX6Ip-iQ; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 17:37:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from terminus.icecube.wisc.edu (terminus.icecube.wisc.edu [172.16.223.97]) by i3mail.icecube.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3557C38050; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 17:37:42 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <52F179C6.2050400@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 17:37:42 -0600 From: Nathan Whitehorn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Poul-Henning Kamp , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22C=2E_Bergstr?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F6m=22?= Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <20140204223528.GF23872@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <52F16BA4.4060202@pathscale.com> <60985.1391554164@critter.freebsd.dk> In-Reply-To: <60985.1391554164@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Thomas Zander , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Baptiste Daroussin , Jim Thompson X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 23:37:43 -0000 On 02/04/14 16:49, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <52F16BA4.4060202@pathscale.com>, =?UTF-8?B?IkMuIEJlcmdzdHLDtm0i?= w > rites: > >> Think about how much power interconnects takes, PCIe and everything else.. > Not to mention the raw savings of avoiding all the crap that has > been nailed inexpertly onto the X86 platform over the years... > > Did you notice that "X86 arduino" Intel just launched ? > > Does anybody but me cringe at the thought of an Arduino with UEFI, ACPI, > microcode updates and SMM ticking away in the background to make sure > it doesn't run too hot ? > This AMD platform has UEFI and ACPI, so that's at least 2 out of 4... -Nathan From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 5 00:23:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC2F0F19 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 00:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oa0-f42.google.com (mail-oa0-f42.google.com [209.85.219.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B71D1DF3 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 00:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id i7so10900929oag.1 for ; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 16:23:16 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=FA+sL9JpbyU/JNIv7Qfw5Ok84zO9dwNEtqCxDvck+Sk=; b=UJqEMZPxnDL2IPHbypzHQ5oBGae6o1ZLNrlpMWFuxPo/tRh+Si6CMu77nBLV5Jr2+g biWI3Fi7HJk/jT7U188FVWNbJjwIffs6B4VUL56usSZvlI75H8LutlsA7ZvCLS7xMu5S O3919G9cHZdj1Pi7WpVBLPlOQ+rjg+ePslsr72N6ClsVPtLT0wt9T30jLBr61gfe8saf 89/XHuVPGHJrWCMfgJv+HqZvPDYoEUD0DyBqkVAYf4Jn1vUi/bBtqh6qeMhlGnxhDxBz IQ04cIf7j6PPUKRYc8f7PTqMDDnPycvsILgAxVewmaQs2q8eeKUjLOZfRqBMb2LmXBNx 31dg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlOMJbLuXVH7XOg9355w5BKCP0jEEwMl2tXv/ogKDKZNOSJMneNjgWVLJqF4gMqAqNjSfiL X-Received: by 10.60.16.230 with SMTP id j6mr10181066oed.47.1391559796632; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 16:23:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.21.0.93] (67-198-60-238.static.grandenetworks.net. [67.198.60.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qh4sm45114432obc.4.2014.02.04.16.23.10 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 04 Feb 2014 16:23:10 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm From: Jim Thompson In-Reply-To: <52F16BA4.4060202@pathscale.com> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 18:23:08 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8537A333-176E-4DF4-A712-2ADFE1B75338@netgate.com> References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <20140204223528.GF23872@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <52F16BA4.4060202@pathscale.com> To: =?windows-1252?Q?=22C=2E_Bergstr=F6m=22?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) Cc: Thomas Zander , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Baptiste Daroussin X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 00:23:17 -0000 On Feb 4, 2014, at 4:37 PM, C. Bergstr=F6m = wrote: > I don't track the Atom family and not sure if C2000 is the new = out-of-order version, but until that is available - this is no = comparison by a long shot. Yes, the C2000 SoCs and Bay Trail are Silvermont architecture. = Silvermont has OOE and a better branch predictor than did Bonnell or = Saltwell. At 22nm, Intel had enough die area to just add in more cores rather than = rely on =93hyper threading" for better threaded performance so Hyper = Threading isn=92t part of this SoC. The ISA is roughly Westmere (think 2010 Core architecture). AES-NI, SSE4.1/4.2 = and extended page tables (so: bhyve) are all =91in there=92. > Also 5w on the cpu package could easily be made up for in a superior = motherboard and chassis design. Think about how much power interconnects = takes, PCIe and everything else.. That=92s why the infrastructure guys ( =95 Dell, HP, NEC, Ericsson, = Quanta, Supermicro, etc) are building micro server systems with 450 = =91nodes=92 per rack.= From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 5 00:35:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7057258 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 00:35:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f175.google.com (mail-ob0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64E131FBE for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 00:35:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f175.google.com with SMTP id wn1so10391065obc.34 for ; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 16:35:24 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=d/o0v3gpBJOdISqeWQSyR730Y1xuHUWkb0KXKc7Jlv8=; b=PdscexF+0F2AhwG93PG9a3dRpIL5FoI0yb5TuiKzogbQFu+WcZRM4jicz2o6h4iclx 3XW5fwslnOwY3PXl4e1y7kNpk2VZ4XRiINXusAsk/TB8QBhsODvCu9uA3ETFr6zFD2RM pOIhLHLdpIpW7+a0VSPomeklBjBluFO7Zldwt/9xK/BJCGcOArDLrG8S2hzsvg+iaUfR 077AwQtjjy0p7U/Qlb6JQfL+Xt9Rsb9FG1iyooyABxp6E8EkqYKgJOBnuP1EHJy3K7A4 dhKoaYGbOgysBcqEKPPuIekcroAZqiJaSPuupuaE2H21GMbfp/ID8tnhpqET2ZuuvZZG ztNA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlrRJLScrb6fsgAl0ahR9qUAo5b3gnis/zvXqGaqsxCYY/Q/1r56acZEj1HKIhdrao/TG9+ X-Received: by 10.60.80.137 with SMTP id r9mr38913464oex.30.1391560524195; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 16:35:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.21.0.93] (67-198-60-238.static.grandenetworks.net. [67.198.60.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qe2sm45200078obc.1.2014.02.04.16.35.16 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 04 Feb 2014 16:35:17 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm From: Jim Thompson In-Reply-To: <52F179C6.2050400@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 18:35:15 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <20140204223528.GF23872@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <52F16BA4.4060202@pathscale.com> <60985.1391554164@critter.freebsd.dk> <52F179C6.2050400@freebsd.org> To: Nathan Whitehorn X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) Cc: Thomas Zander , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, =?windows-1252?Q?=22C=2E_Bergstr=F6m=22?= , Baptiste Daroussin , Poul-Henning Kamp X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 00:35:25 -0000 On Feb 4, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Nathan Whitehorn = wrote: > On 02/04/14 16:49, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> In message <52F16BA4.4060202@pathscale.com>, = =3D?UTF-8?B?IkMuIEJlcmdzdHLDtm0i?=3D w >> rites: >>=20 >>> Think about how much power interconnects takes, PCIe and everything = else.. >> Not to mention the raw savings of avoiding all the crap that has >> been nailed inexpertly onto the X86 platform over the years... >>=20 >> Did you notice that "X86 arduino" Intel just launched ? >>=20 >> Does anybody but me cringe at the thought of an Arduino with UEFI, = ACPI, >> microcode updates and SMM ticking away in the background to make sure >> it doesn't run too hot ? >>=20 >=20 > This AMD platform has UEFI and ACPI, so that's at least 2 out of 4... > -Nathan The =93X86 arduino=94 (=93Gallileo=94) has a Quark 1100 SoC running at = 400MHz. It implements a 32-bit Pentium instruction set and has a TDP of = 1.9W - 2.2W. I don=92t think it=92s going to =93run too hot=94, and yes it runs SMM, = UEFI and ACPI-compatible sleep states. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 5 02:09:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8BA7FB7; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 02:09:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qc0-x22a.google.com (mail-qc0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2843C1AAA; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 02:09:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id e9so15267480qcy.15 for ; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 18:09:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=oEY5bfcnEv6lYlYlZGVnS/YZuTXLCVshPU6CgH+rDw0=; b=am2s2Bv14bECSHcLv1WA3/pNhwlHIPJL7VtW7TcVQ/JmB/zpY7VEt/gDwh7wYpvCg3 3STI8tLF5lOGZ9rNv2v2LnVsiXlPSlSCAHnlkHd7MBiLK5lZbW4gWuFfFTbCW7ZYbdVa DUv0a6rm9vZPn/bVV7jzg0T3OfGd0VxvPPI6hrXYNx6C80ZvGPbxbwRqLswCmvoEs1pA zqYkzoF4KXMrndf42P/ilVFgSXjTgjXYJmNS5ljPQpfJe5XOTzQ3hBo82yFjOJjqr8RS tPqpE2O5eCevOqm2Mpu14l/9MXGxkbhFB6XJIhHHvQy/oQaXX9nnuYpnSb6sp6fMnhz8 Xw0g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.108.74 with SMTP id i68mr66743904qgf.87.1391566186376; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 18:09:46 -0800 (PST) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.224.52.8 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 18:09:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <20140204223528.GF23872@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <52F16BA4.4060202@pathscale.com> <60985.1391554164@critter.freebsd.dk> <52F179C6.2050400@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 18:09:46 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2oYANZck60JTVKbNZ3A7v5E_LGo Message-ID: Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm From: Adrian Chadd To: Jim Thompson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Thomas Zander , Baptiste Daroussin , "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , =?ISO-8859-1?B?Qy4gQmVyZ3N0cvZt?= , Nathan Whitehorn , Poul-Henning Kamp X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 02:09:47 -0000 On 4 February 2014 16:35, Jim Thompson wrote: > > On Feb 4, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: > >> On 02/04/14 16:49, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >>> In message <52F16BA4.4060202@pathscale.com>, =?UTF-8?B?IkMuIEJlcmdzdHLDtm0i?= w >>> rites: >>> >>>> Think about how much power interconnects takes, PCIe and everything else.. >>> Not to mention the raw savings of avoiding all the crap that has >>> been nailed inexpertly onto the X86 platform over the years... >>> >>> Did you notice that "X86 arduino" Intel just launched ? >>> >>> Does anybody but me cringe at the thought of an Arduino with UEFI, ACPI, >>> microcode updates and SMM ticking away in the background to make sure >>> it doesn't run too hot ? >>> >> >> This AMD platform has UEFI and ACPI, so that's at least 2 out of 4... >> -Nathan > > The "X86 arduino" ("Gallileo") has a Quark 1100 SoC running at 400MHz. It implements a 32-bit Pentium instruction set and has a TDP of 1.9W - 2.2W. > > I don't think it's going to "run too hot", and yes it runs SMM, UEFI and ACPI-compatible sleep states. We'd still have to port to that platform. I'd give it go if someone would ship me one. :) -a From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 5 02:37:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40F9D17E; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 02:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qc0-x232.google.com (mail-qc0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A66EC1E27; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 02:37:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id m20so15082382qcx.37 for ; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 18:37:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=q0diWyK+cLbZW9LGGgArE46TlxMz6av1E/KSk0xbp/I=; b=puUJdMhT+eWDqvcjykiQD13T4VP35W5tANtqZAdEV/VIUhq+v/NQ7ocxglYlN0j6Dx uQZ1NA/XY41n1ziTyoCeljjDIUBMotERliLIPZeP4HsQJYv8pFmWzwDRteVOMvfjdM0t hWVo77VW59JMMOTUrxNgoLbVor0AmwtV+5T6Iyd6W/uJAGZVNcbQ1eo6EwCY5qPMynxx HSqUpSI4uINYw5dKxO195G1h8rJIg0/RcM6ufxvwcWiTDULY9BapZvxhVFO4iVf9srnD m4lhcaP1LgSqPBVAVTLTRzf6fWZ4nrGsvGweCUsfhCjO4BmbcnBAKH36StU+JQFlFz7r QMCA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.16.72 with SMTP id n8mr73278557qaa.76.1391567874907; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 18:37:54 -0800 (PST) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.224.52.8 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 18:37:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <52F19E8F.1030101@pathscale.com> References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <20140204223528.GF23872@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <52F16BA4.4060202@pathscale.com> <60985.1391554164@critter.freebsd.dk> <52F179C6.2050400@freebsd.org> <52F19E8F.1030101@pathscale.com> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 18:37:54 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: dhgegH5xMZCuPSUmbQLDOaL_scg Message-ID: Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm From: Adrian Chadd To: =?ISO-8859-1?B?Qy4gQmVyZ3N0cvZt?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Thomas Zander , Baptiste Daroussin , "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , Jim Thompson , Nathan Whitehorn , Poul-Henning Kamp X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 02:37:56 -0000 The first project is "make 32 bit uefi booting work." That's kind of a requirement. -a From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 5 02:13:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0ED8525E; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 02:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-x231.google.com (mail-qa0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 891851B92; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 02:13:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id w8so13397597qac.8 for ; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 18:13:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=rJurTyrH5iWgn/A7pVYymAwUAQjBZVSbjxRBWHryOb4=; b=i+BORzbvL3NPAA3LgBNoggbQ4QEfwe3jsXa9Uk/NUunATcNtN4HrsDyDGoescSuv9l Wa/HBgzND+0+1Y/1YCIAbS38q6xEkg5nqqIL2d1RE5O10F4zE4Z9+1dteBv4jH/JdWsp WOCUBIIG3BkNS0kF64/Z871M6tMRdqrb05IdceX/VFhxzpZ7Elk4F7BCtkzP8YlRTYTZ HuVORIZ6xcmOFY8qV2cVjC9/qVIUsAVA/jsCI+9y5tHiUnS5UDJzuj8H3Lg4iWZNLqz8 0nJ//4HryDCFuFtJnqCh7uV4XmR/E1PlyI24v99LP/3ALA5cVgZB2CcLNYWFujez0lfo RDDg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.96.180 with SMTP id k49mr66591974qge.4.1391566401822; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 18:13:21 -0800 (PST) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.224.52.8 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 18:13:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <60985.1391554164@critter.freebsd.dk> References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <20140204223528.GF23872@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <52F16BA4.4060202@pathscale.com> <60985.1391554164@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 18:13:21 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: KGyMjg7stEU4A3CDl8DgyQ_B0_w Message-ID: Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm From: Adrian Chadd To: Poul-Henning Kamp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Thomas Zander , "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , =?ISO-8859-1?B?Qy4gQmVyZ3N0cvZt?= , Baptiste Daroussin , Jim Thompson X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 02:13:23 -0000 On 4 February 2014 14:49, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <52F16BA4.4060202@pathscale.com>, =?UTF-8?B?IkMuIEJlcmdzdHLDtm0i?= w > rites: > >> Think about how much power interconnects takes, PCIe and everything else.. > > Not to mention the raw savings of avoiding all the crap that has > been nailed inexpertly onto the X86 platform over the years... > > Did you notice that "X86 arduino" Intel just launched ? > > Does anybody but me cringe at the thought of an Arduino with UEFI, ACPI, > microcode updates and SMM ticking away in the background to make sure > it doesn't run too hot ? > > If ARM and AMD are smart, an ARM64 machine will have the OS loaded > and handed over to in a matter of seconds rather than minutes, and > that alone would make a lot of people love them. My experience with ARM and power management is that as the chips get more recent, the voodoo hiding behind black boxes increases. Qualcomm wouldn't even contemplate open sourcing the power management stuff. I have more faith that the intel stuff will at least be sanely usable by us OS hackers over what the multiplude of ARM vendors have given us. It looks like a mess and I've only vaguely peripherally looked at it. -a From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 5 02:18:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92D8F674 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 02:18:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pb0-f53.google.com (mail-pb0-f53.google.com [209.85.160.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B1A11C5D for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 02:18:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pb0-f53.google.com with SMTP id md12so9178374pbc.26 for ; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 18:18:06 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=JRvSaf+2MRnPHEZmZSsYo5om3FTCzzYoloobbzeARn0=; b=P1tHVzBER0o3xpFKA6BtIbyjAd58BkohWbvCzrSCItqkhFfp4cCFqoe00oBuP14zJv wXZaffNJXa0h6k6kM9iLyzvLvS1WZ8SpB4wSb1F/hT9v5+gtkq74h/FmQklzMA6fHmoZ kcD3g1cjwW2q0qzGD+muxcgmfy7ORLeBjxEZjgqRWpQU1ZVT9uuySlIVL84na5jEhpQY xseORTjns2/LJFpiKewYi1GzxvdUPKOEpaUNV+jbGNqLtXB1FACvqzNuQp1VmwJz6V7R 1Hmhy30X4K1B6k/wD5vOHNn5PCWTjuJHwpIgTAy2sp89e8u6f5FgrRq87Or7OOd06P5V P+HA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnkcttXB1fkHsJ3bJ77yVVBSdfvGa/9ooBkRAOevfl7P6kor1jN/mhZSVt+VX+VLxRh0pls X-Received: by 10.66.232.7 with SMTP id tk7mr47292488pac.94.1391566686745; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 18:18:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (ppp-110-168-89-45.revip5.asianet.co.th. [110.168.89.45]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id vf7sm70769524pbc.5.2014.02.04.18.18.01 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 04 Feb 2014 18:18:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <52F19E8F.1030101@pathscale.com> Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 09:14:39 +0700 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22C=2E_Bergstr=F6m=22?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; SunOS i86pc; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130802 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adrian Chadd Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <20140204223528.GF23872@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <52F16BA4.4060202@pathscale.com> <60985.1391554164@critter.freebsd.dk> <52F179C6.2050400@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Thomas Zander , Baptiste Daroussin , "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , Jim Thompson , Nathan Whitehorn , Poul-Henning Kamp X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 02:18:12 -0000 On 02/ 5/14 09:09 AM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > On 4 February 2014 16:35, Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Feb 4, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: >> >>> On 02/04/14 16:49, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >>>> In message <52F16BA4.4060202@pathscale.com>, =?UTF-8?B?IkMuIEJlcmdzdHLDtm0i?= w >>>> rites: >>>> >>>>> Think about how much power interconnects takes, PCIe and everything else.. >>>> Not to mention the raw savings of avoiding all the crap that has >>>> been nailed inexpertly onto the X86 platform over the years... >>>> >>>> Did you notice that "X86 arduino" Intel just launched ? >>>> >>>> Does anybody but me cringe at the thought of an Arduino with UEFI, ACPI, >>>> microcode updates and SMM ticking away in the background to make sure >>>> it doesn't run too hot ? >>>> >>> This AMD platform has UEFI and ACPI, so that's at least 2 out of 4... >>> -Nathan >> The "X86 arduino" ("Gallileo") has a Quark 1100 SoC running at 400MHz. It implements a 32-bit Pentium instruction set and has a TDP of 1.9W - 2.2W. >> >> I don't think it's going to "run too hot", and yes it runs SMM, UEFI and ACPI-compatible sleep states. > We'd still have to port to that platform. > > I'd give it go if someone would ship me one. :) If a few of these could be procured - I wonder if this is a good GSOC topic? Anyone know any students who might be interested? From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 5 05:35:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB7CD336; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 05:35:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-x22d.google.com (mail-ob0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7075F102D; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 05:35:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f173.google.com with SMTP id vb8so10785376obc.18 for ; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 21:35:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=VK19ugsIUfdCofuc3glst4G7sTvYz0fKGSjDVx2MJhA=; b=iOhm/vkl4f9f4IsoEUDqpA4Fkh5949/s+VheEVZ0rk+w1QxEiby0H3whVZ8FY2sR9t vuJRzxZKsLpGjz4nTlrhIvVIRg93SqFd7qrjcwUbuqdmDu7UP/4v+aLXcs9jelilo+Wj GLLHZrd8r/YwAteuptCMZYvf/P5XJHN3PhLatWez8TuSe5Pyht/0GD3tRQeRRmxPqZyK UIl1KsNT7wvzVD62vUjSvtyHrXAKIbYZyY87ri+VqfsQIijk7wx1Sw3p2+pnvP1gBq/U QB05BORryb9UvBJBurbLaBee2resSBAB4urBZp50rx6ghLKUOr5pdGEzjJkURPKrcnjc /iZw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.149.168 with SMTP id ub8mr24252obb.74.1391578540187; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 21:35:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.78.71 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 21:35:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 00:35:40 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: WebRTC From: Joe Nosay To: FreeBSD Hackers , Adrian Chadd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.17 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 05:35:42 -0000 Is it stupid for me to try to port WebRTC plus dependencies to FreeBSD? I am not good at programming; but, I try to find and/or ask for solutions so that a program can work in/on FreeBSD. What I am aware of is that even if it is a good idea, unless it has been presented by someone more well known or higher up in the food chain, it will be ignored. I could say," Hey, know what? If we start on such-and-such right now, then FreeBSD will be at the same level as X and Y in this." However, I know that such words are useless from someone on the bottom. As I states, my knowledge is limited; yet, a starting effort has been done for webrtc. I can't do much more. Why? Because I am homeless and sick, that's why. Adrian Chadd asked on Google+ about FreeBSD having webrtc; and, I decided to try to start it. I'm stuck at the beginning step of porting a dependency. I re-edited the file paths in /usr/local/include/unicode/$ITEM.c_OR_h . I decided to present this idea to the list even after being taunted. There is no reason to worry about who says what. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 5 09:54:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC9EB42E; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 09:54:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru [46.4.40.135]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601AC15B0; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 09:54:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lion.home.serebryakov.spb.ru (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:923f:1:cc06:8a07:85a3:8279]) (Authenticated sender: lev@serebryakov.spb.ru) by onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5F2C34AC1C; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:53:57 +0400 (MSK) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:53:52 +0400 From: Lev Serebryakov Organization: FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <18209443.20140205135352@serebryakov.spb.ru> To: Baptiste Daroussin Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm In-Reply-To: <20140204223528.GF23872@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <20140204223528.GF23872@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Thomas Zander , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Jim Thompson X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: lev@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 09:54:05 -0000 Hello, Baptiste. You wrote 5 =D1=84=D0=B5=D0=B2=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=BB=D1=8F 2014 =D0=B3., 2:35:2= 8: BD> A board like this will allow portmgr to provide official and regular pa= ckage BD> built for arm! so yes for sure we do need to support that! Again: it is ARMv8. So, board like this will allow portmgr to provide offi= cial and regular package built for arm in same sense, that amd64-based board will help to build packages for i386 :) --=20 // Black Lion AKA Lev Serebryakov From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 5 10:05:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9EE43740; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 10:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x22a.google.com (mail-wg0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 959D0167A; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 10:04:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f42.google.com with SMTP id l18so5265992wgh.3 for ; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 02:04:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=F8RLebvZmIUk9aId0sjoSF6lombTHKTIWhELSYo/ZPk=; b=v8Hn1RqzM+Va4F/D1MzZu2BXDqHZF792/51RANBvk6oovDjzxhw9sy8gFDUjhoEy+a Ov48yk0pkKpnVpxWsJ5i2ciroukfQAGX9H5IvwC9HKCI/iYODN5Vvsdys1bHr8jWtkVS KcbKfY5szLLTNU78vn/YR6V0WRnE1Z9EtiAYVLrO0++aQSHPoYP3dNDcHG8gRXZjd5gQ hiuE6b3Jl8ZFzC1mBv/YYmOinlMjPVtA9TANPaCw9rpvqLiyjFZH9jfveNbuTTmUNw/P pmiiX4oh69kI/od3upxsZO6vbaqJdTZTdtGwgGVa98lKyZPxmBEI4PjS7yUECnF/bA6f +JsA== X-Received: by 10.180.218.171 with SMTP id ph11mr16046204wic.7.1391594697933; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 02:04:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ithaqua.etoilebsd.net (ithaqua.etoilebsd.net. [37.59.37.188]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d6sm44207500wic.9.2014.02.05.02.04.55 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 05 Feb 2014 02:04:56 -0800 (PST) Sender: Baptiste Daroussin Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 11:04:54 +0100 From: Baptiste Daroussin To: Lev Serebryakov Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm Message-ID: <20140205100453.GH23872@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <20140204223528.GF23872@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <18209443.20140205135352@serebryakov.spb.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IbVRjBtIbJdbeK1C" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <18209443.20140205135352@serebryakov.spb.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Thomas Zander , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Jim Thompson X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:05:00 -0000 --IbVRjBtIbJdbeK1C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 01:53:52PM +0400, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > Hello, Baptiste. > You wrote 5 =D1=84=D0=B5=D0=B2=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=BB=D1=8F 2014 =D0=B3., 2:35= :28: >=20 > BD> A board like this will allow portmgr to provide official and regular = package > BD> built for arm! so yes for sure we do need to support that! > Again: it is ARMv8. So, board like this will allow portmgr to provide of= ficial and regular package > built for arm in same sense, that amd64-based board will help to build > packages for i386 :) >=20 Yes and we do build i386 packages on and amd64 box :) regards, Bapt --IbVRjBtIbJdbeK1C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAlLyDMUACgkQ8kTtMUmk6Ew/0QCcC4HMYXnz/eoORPwz8TuqfO22 +OMAn0dPeRldXRgbvY6t+puSggm7Dt/R =jUCm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IbVRjBtIbJdbeK1C-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 5 08:01:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9D93434; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 08:01:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [130.225.244.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568401A77; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 08:01:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [192.168.61.3]) by phk.freebsd.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59473AE30; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 08:01:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s15812AS062390; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 08:01:06 GMT (envelope-from phk@phk.freebsd.dk) To: Nathan Whitehorn Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm In-reply-to: <52F179C6.2050400@freebsd.org> From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <20140204223528.GF23872@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <52F16BA4.4060202@pathscale.com> <60985.1391554164@critter.freebsd.dk> <52F179C6.2050400@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 08:01:02 +0000 Message-ID: <62389.1391587262@critter.freebsd.dk> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:57:05 +0000 Cc: Thomas Zander , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22C=2E_Bergstr?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F6m=22?= , Baptiste Daroussin , Jim Thompson X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 08:01:12 -0000 In message <52F179C6.2050400@freebsd.org>, Nathan Whitehorn writes: >This AMD platform has UEFI and ACPI, so that's at least 2 out of 4... Ahh crap! -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 5 08:05:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43A975FD for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 08:05:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EBA1D1AE9 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 08:05:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WAxTk-0008Pf-11 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 09:05:04 +0100 Received: from tempe0.bbox.io ([24.249.180.233]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 09:05:04 +0100 Received: from kevin.bowling by tempe0.bbox.io with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 09:05:04 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: Kevin Bowling Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 00:55:22 -0700 Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <60555.1391549390@critter.freebsd.dk> <23B18B88-D888-46B3-99F6-905F86E20FAF@netgate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: tempe0.bbox.io User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:27.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/27.0 In-Reply-To: <23B18B88-D888-46B3-99F6-905F86E20FAF@netgate.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:57:17 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 08:05:16 -0000 On 2/4/2014 2:42 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: > > On Feb 4, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> In message <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com>, Jim Thompson wri >> tes: >> >>>> No but it may well be an early reminder of the upcoming generation of >>>> powerful ARM servers that we don't want to leave unsupported. >>> >>> isn't that attractive when the 8-core, 64-bit Intel C20 >>> 00 parts are here, now, at a lower TDP >>> (20W, .vs 25W for the a1100. 22nm rocks). >> >> I very much welcome a competing 64bit CPU into the marketplace and >> will buy one myself, as soon as I can, for no other reason than to >> help break the X86 monopoly on server architecture. >> >> Monopolies are never a good thing. > > True, but I didnt say that the chip wasnt interesting. What I said is that its not that attractive (to the real market for these: micro servers). > > The dual 10Gig Ethernet and 8 SATA 3.0 ports are interesting. You wont get that with a C2K system at 25W TDP, (4 x GigE that can run at 2.5Gbps per port, and 2 SATA 3.0 ports currently) but Intel owns IP for both, so if that becomes a differentiator for design wins, Id expect a future variant to cover. > > But by all means, port FreeBSD to it. Perhaps it can be the long-desired reference platform to bring ARM into a Tier 1 architecture status. > > Jim Where A1100 wins hands down is memory capacity, and possibly even memory bandwidth (DDR4 mentioned in the PR..). Intel's server Atom chips and even the extremely powerful Xeon E3 are quite limited by 32GB RAM (and it's also somewhat expensive vs RDIMMs). This just doesn't cut it for a ton of workloads either family of Intel CPU is otherwise well suited for. The A1100 is going to force Intel to fix that nonsense quickly or see a rapid exodus on the low end. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 5 13:45:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE79C4D5 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:45:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oa0-f49.google.com (mail-oa0-f49.google.com [209.85.219.49]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8DEE81ABE for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id i7so426772oag.22 for ; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 05:44:58 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=G3KbCxIAESWTk9isYQq9AKwSnbTpx/y1tmy7U30L+Q4=; b=nE+bpkV2O24xGZcfIP6vDSYj+Jq9dPDB0OOLISMer+xJdASlEQUz1stneD42dfqNJO 4BRET6b3mHjb+ZWPyxwHRuhnofpLZq4FFUsoCkuJT9ataGnR38H4ktmxUCvdCZUS+sb1 gl5912IgAIQ+hVoCsi6lQTN7xKBqyslC3ECtKDJTJofFIKXRQft4lgSJ/tnEAbvIvEQb BbNoCpBkis6UenUVYnlcDNcMhTDeQwctoOueld1wh5ckZXJZr8b1yauCsMh9faDvOH3H Ojk1oAykp+IFkNlg9FQbJA327YAOFDu9cPkxgqGR6CgyuqwjfvwWo4LV/oPqwHt73lJc Xjeg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlt8KNpD4TsUxX8kuvm52Uuycfw+NyXcDaaBt9psv1XMzfAQ8EspvNXwHDNR+qURlM/dtQm X-Received: by 10.182.29.98 with SMTP id j2mr1358557obh.30.1391607897836; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 05:44:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.21.0.88] (67-198-60-238.static.grandenetworks.net. [67.198.60.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qj10sm160592875oeb.6.2014.02.05.05.44.55 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 05 Feb 2014 05:44:55 -0800 (PST) References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <60555.1391549390@critter.freebsd.dk> <23B18B88-D888-46B3-99F6-905F86E20FAF@netgate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11B554a) From: Jim Thompson Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 07:44:55 -0600 To: Kevin Bowling Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 13:45:00 -0000 > On Feb 5, 2014, at 1:55, Kevin Bowling wrote: >=20 [...] > Where A1100 wins hands down is memory capacity, and possibly even memory b= andwidth (DDR4 mentioned in the PR..). >=20 > Intel's server Atom chips and even the extremely powerful Xeon E3 are quit= e limited by 32GB RAM (and it's also somewhat expensive vs RDIMMs). =20 I'm not sure what your point is. The C2750, C2550, C2558 & C2758 will all address 64 GB of DDR3 RAM.=20 You'll have to use Registered DIMMs and likely drop back to DDR3 to get to 1= 28GB on the A1100.=20 So I see parity in terms of addressable RAM.=20 From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 5 14:09:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B02142D2 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 14:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailhost.m5p.com (ip-2-1-0-2.r03.asbnva02.us.ce.gin.ntt.net [IPv6:2001:418:0:5000::16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DA8B1CC8 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 14:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonderland.m5p.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mailhost.m5p.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s15E9VSD070843 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 09:09:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from george+freebsd@m5p.com) Message-ID: <52F2461B.1070405@m5p.com> Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 09:09:31 -0500 From: George Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <60555.1391549390@critter.freebsd.dk> <23B18B88-D888-46B3-99F6-905F86E20FAF@netgate.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.73 on 10.100.0.3 X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mailhost.m5p.com [IPv6:::1]); Wed, 05 Feb 2014 09:09:36 -0500 (EST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 14:09:38 -0000 On 02/05/14 08:44, Jim Thompson wrote: > > >> On Feb 5, 2014, at 1:55, Kevin Bowling wrote: >> > [...] > >> Where A1100 wins hands down is memory capacity, and possibly even memory bandwidth (DDR4 mentioned in the PR..). >> >> Intel's server Atom chips and even the extremely powerful Xeon E3 are quite limited by 32GB RAM (and it's also somewhat expensive vs RDIMMs). > > I'm not sure what your point is. > > The C2750, C2550, C2558 & C2758 will all address 64 GB of DDR3 RAM. > > You'll have to use Registered DIMMs and likely drop back to DDR3 to get to 128GB on the A1100. > > So I see parity in terms of addressable RAM. > > [...] This discussion is very entertaining. But let's not lose sight of the main point: ARM processors are not going away. It is to FreeBSD's detriment if we don't have Tier 1 support for a processor that, by some guesses, already comprises the majority of new installations by count. -- George From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 5 14:34:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D26C9D61 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 14:34:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3CE109E for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 14:34:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [74.73.125.121] ([74.73.125.121:52139] helo=janus.anserinae.net) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 99/13-00804-C0C42F25; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 14:34:53 +0000 Received: from JANUS.anserinae.net ([fe80::192c:4b89:9fe9:dc6d]) by janus.anserinae.net ([fe80::192c:4b89:9fe9:dc6d%11]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 09:34:50 -0500 From: Kamil Choudhury To: George Mitchell , "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: opteron a1100 arm Thread-Topic: opteron a1100 arm Thread-Index: AQHPIddGxFoYKAXvFkufJLDD7bjv9Jql6H2AgAAFqYD//7JBToAA/vkAgABhqoCAAAbggP//snY1 Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 14:34:50 +0000 Message-ID: References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <60555.1391549390@critter.freebsd.dk> <23B18B88-D888-46B3-99F6-905F86E20FAF@netgate.com> , <52F2461B.1070405@m5p.com> In-Reply-To: <52F2461B.1070405@m5p.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [204.4.182.16] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.130:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 14:34:55 -0000 =0A= George wrote: =0A= > This discussion is very entertaining. But let's not lose sight of the=0A= > main point: ARM processors are not going away. It is to FreeBSD's=0A= > detriment if we don't have Tier 1 support for a processor that, by some= =0A= > guesses, already comprises the majority of new installations by count.=0A= =0A= Moving on to specifics, what concrete steps would be necessary to actually = =0A= get FreeBSD support for this architecture? =0A= =0A= _______________________________________________=0A= freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list=0A= http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers=0A= To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"= =0A= From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 5 15:02:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F1C3BEB for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 15:02:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailhost.m5p.com (ip-2-1-0-2.r03.asbnva02.us.ce.gin.ntt.net [IPv6:2001:418:0:5000::16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9832E134A for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 15:02:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonderland.m5p.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mailhost.m5p.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s15F2m15071143 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 10:02:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from george+freebsd@m5p.com) Message-ID: <52F25298.9000307@m5p.com> Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:02:48 -0500 From: George Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <60555.1391549390@critter.freebsd.dk> <23B18B88-D888-46B3-99F6-905F86E20FAF@netgate.com> , <52F2461B.1070405@m5p.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.73 on 10.100.0.3 X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mailhost.m5p.com [IPv6:::1]); Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:02:53 -0500 (EST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 15:02:55 -0000 On 02/05/14 09:34, Kamil Choudhury wrote: > > George wrote: >> This discussion is very entertaining. But let's not lose sight of the >> main point: ARM processors are not going away. It is to FreeBSD's >> detriment if we don't have Tier 1 support for a processor that, by some >> guesses, already comprises the majority of new installations by count. > > Moving on to specifics, what concrete steps would be necessary to actually > get FreeBSD support for this architecture? [...] https://wiki.freebsd.org/ARMTier1 -- George From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 5 17:23:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F17598CB for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 17:23:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hydra.pix.net (hydra.pix.net [IPv6:2001:470:e254::4]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E041128A for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 17:23:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from torb.pix.net (torb.pix.net [IPv6:2001:470:e254:10:12dd:b1ff:febf:eca9]) (authenticated bits=0) by hydra.pix.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s15HNEiG094295; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 12:23:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lidl@pix.net) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98 at mail.pix.net Message-ID: <52F27382.1030505@pix.net> Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:23:14 -0500 From: Kurt Lidl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <20140204223528.GF23872@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <52F16BA4.4060202@pathscale.com> <60985.1391554164@critter.freebsd.dk> <52F179C6.2050400@freebsd.org> <62389.1391587262@critter.freebsd.dk> In-Reply-To: <62389.1391587262@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 17:23:17 -0000 On 2/5/14 3:01 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <52F179C6.2050400@freebsd.org>, Nathan Whitehorn writes: > >> This AMD platform has UEFI and ACPI, so that's at least 2 out of 4... > > Ahh crap! > It's actually more than that. The AMD64 platform has been called out for a much greater deal of standardization than the multitude of different options in the various existing ARM SoC boards. The phrase you want to search for is: ARM Server Base System Architecture Of course, the reference doc: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.den0029/index.html Is only available to registered ARM customers. But, my understanding is that UEFI is the only boot option, ACPI is the power management system, the USB2 controllers must support EHCI 1.1, the USB3 controllers must support XHCI 1.0 and all SATA controllers must support AHCI 1.3. They're attempting to drive the platform to a more standardized set of components and boot methods (and hypervisor support) so that if your software works on vendor A's SBSA board, it should also work on vendor B's SBSA board. -Kurt From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 5 18:11:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DC22D4F for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 18:11:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6EB91775 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 18:11:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WB6wu-0006Ec-DR for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:11:48 +0100 Received: from tempe0.bbox.io ([24.249.180.233]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:11:48 +0100 Received: from kevin.bowling by tempe0.bbox.io with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:11:48 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: Kevin Bowling Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:11:30 -0700 Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <60555.1391549390@critter.freebsd.dk> <23B18B88-D888-46B3-99F6-905F86E20FAF@netgate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: tempe0.bbox.io User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:27.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/27.0 In-Reply-To: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 18:23:28 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 18:11:51 -0000 On 2/5/2014 6:44 AM, Jim Thompson wrote: > > >> On Feb 5, 2014, at 1:55, Kevin Bowling wrote: >> > [...] > >> Where A1100 wins hands down is memory capacity, and possibly even memory bandwidth (DDR4 mentioned in the PR..). >> >> Intel's server Atom chips and even the extremely powerful Xeon E3 are quite limited by 32GB RAM (and it's also somewhat expensive vs RDIMMs). > > I'm not sure what your point is. Simply that this is a better chip than Intel's current low end offerings because all relevant bandwidths are much higher (RAM, I/O, net) and these matter more to many DC workloads. > The C2750, C2550, C2558 & C2758 will all address 64 GB of DDR3 RAM. > > You'll have to use Registered DIMMs and likely drop back to DDR3 to get to 128GB on the A1100. > > So I see parity in terms of addressable RAM. That's half, and a big deal if you want to run multiple VMs or a large ARC or many large JVM heaps or any number of other things. You're trying to claim the chip is already matched by the current Atom, where it is clearly not, so I'll fire it back at you - I'm not sure what your point is. I'm happy to see the announcement and am looking forward to running FreeBSD on the platform with others. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 5 18:41:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D27E7F1A for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 18:41:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x242.google.com (mail-lb0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::242]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AEB11A1B for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 18:41:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f194.google.com with SMTP id q8so143366lbi.5 for ; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:41:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=96xwrw8oaihycU4/0SGm0LqEsrOEfmNHe/+Z9Hkg1Fk=; b=nKaubGcbOvSpPndqqvb0clffzs2Cp2tPEr4TdPlGSaHbLjIwh/SOJP68X8feEgZBlk uSV+2QbNmhDnGx1dXeYVccP7JjP9rmqr95ZVvVM/Ba9iDU7Pw8aZ8wTv7NP/Scrb43J4 K9TJDA0hviLLS8iKroe33I0aGSoLYbSkAL4EEXoHd3LdfchcIY7d+Of7m0vrqgRkvJqS 9W5gtoViO+j386z97cQSND2shL2OfMb12VgZTJ0zISqh42KwB4KZB+ISVeJqN35JEzZV Bm+CJPSsoDdoESQjYlOrWQFDn/51URssEz+hOykAvhlK99zFwojz1Ii1ZDeK4nvgiA54 M+jw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.153.8.225 with SMTP id dn1mr2110868lad.17.1391625684314; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:41:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.175.231 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 10:41:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 10:41:24 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm From: Dieter BSD To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 18:41:26 -0000 Jim writes: > So I see parity in terms of addressable RAM. Parity is better than nothing (which seems to be what most machines provide these days :-( ), but ECC is much better. :-) Speaking of new machines and ECC, anyone heard any news about an ETA for Berlin? (and mainboards for it that support ECC?) (google finds nothing) From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 5 19:35:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2C2BA00 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 19:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-x22b.google.com (mail-qa0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 998ED100B for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 19:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id o15so1268209qap.16 for ; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:35:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=BvIv87+LceIUwFVxXtU4mz77vOo67KhK4N+vYbnT2QA=; b=Km4N0plHB28M4CvZsivnn5rRs5aYoHv9pkYbX3Wo4+g2LecwyJfgn8GYTnSZsdSTa7 RsRKzWXemMuswgzubSKByb9CWSghvpmPLkPgSl1/iBypj8bsB3ytuoV+GUNH2NOPSOJY VuacGc4EGuQOTWlF3xuMQP6RqY0chmR5QbnAHyfus3G8wjIvmhTd9z19EIQ6xJElMlz6 2x0V23c/KU13a7+rzpaFutNtXMaYOjTdCDVlVyKiWqtocVKgGIUt6fBUCXr/pb1ldK6t SemOA8JtUb+GbJCobtAjNH5KMPho9zdnx9NMHN8w2co7NBXOAJjc//fYa5FhGkJjBGSJ erLA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.171.8 with SMTP id f8mr5770371qcz.13.1391628939812; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:35:39 -0800 (PST) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.224.52.8 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 11:35:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <60555.1391549390@critter.freebsd.dk> <23B18B88-D888-46B3-99F6-905F86E20FAF@netgate.com> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 11:35:39 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: wSohSRVKNvD0uFCQi0z4G_AVHsI Message-ID: Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm From: Adrian Chadd To: Kevin Bowling Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:35:41 -0000 On 5 February 2014 10:11, Kevin Bowling wrote: > On 2/5/2014 6:44 AM, Jim Thompson wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Feb 5, 2014, at 1:55, Kevin Bowling wrote: >>> >> [...] >> >>> Where A1100 wins hands down is memory capacity, and possibly even memory >>> bandwidth (DDR4 mentioned in the PR..). >>> >>> Intel's server Atom chips and even the extremely powerful Xeon E3 are >>> quite limited by 32GB RAM (and it's also somewhat expensive vs RDIMMs). >> >> >> I'm not sure what your point is. > > > Simply that this is a better chip than Intel's current low end offerings > because all relevant bandwidths are much higher (RAM, I/O, net) and these > matter more to many DC workloads. > > >> The C2750, C2550, C2558 & C2758 will all address 64 GB of DDR3 RAM. >> >> You'll have to use Registered DIMMs and likely drop back to DDR3 to get to >> 128GB on the A1100. >> >> So I see parity in terms of addressable RAM. > > > That's half, and a big deal if you want to run multiple VMs or a large ARC > or many large JVM heaps or any number of other things. You're trying to > claim the chip is already matched by the current Atom, where it is clearly > not, so I'll fire it back at you - I'm not sure what your point is. > > I'm happy to see the announcement and am looking forward to running FreeBSD > on the platform with others. But that's not enough - some one / some company has to step up and do a port, then run with it long enough in -HEAD to make it stable for general use. Almost all of the ARM stuff in FreeBSD doesn't fall under this category. It's getting better, but in a lot of instances the ports are done for very specific chipsets and/or use cases and that doesn't stress the rest of the system out enough. The MIPS port went through this too, FWIW - it initially was stable if you never bothered doing much in userland, but userland suffered from a lot of random hilarity. so if you were a router that occasionally ran ntpd, it was great. If you were an AP that kept going into hostapd to do things, it would get upset. "make all install clean" in a port directory wasn't great. It was only through repeated head-slamming from Warner, Juli and others that this stuff got ironed out enough. So, I'm all for the platform - who's going to port it? Step up please and be cheered. :-P -a From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 6 20:57:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A633693 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2014 20:57:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-f180.google.com (mail-ig0-f180.google.com [209.85.213.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3868014E8 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2014 20:57:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f180.google.com with SMTP id m12so508588iga.1 for ; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:56:59 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=jqCbYm/ljfT/zVyIKpzGDrv2pomDG9Sjq1IFr8yR1WY=; b=C4dzXqnY1PB+S+LxsATcvcxTmFk7s2pypDwVewd2bC6Cng6ug6le6mGfJt/2IbzSOV 7aZN0YUuth7tg0wBx0OR8ni2WhRLKgrEDVNgeFloMBNbSmSaPW3bQifeT8WhIqoz5gSf CSC1/PQqPlSmM5wO7RvoA+NW6ebIFO8ZeCAs8yRbHu3bukiS6EDxY9LPqRaBVrehkVTS svF4T5rGVwbBgMsEdhuGTFRSSPbMAQtYAgIL3QSPBGPa3RH7FzdWjhQ7/wJ+hOSAQpyO r2oRFRd57ZCrjVGZWLHEELtbrcE+1uVbtnWuvq6Kjtn1i8MP8L2rf9PYpfluF1RTDVZm WPHw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmvDXRKsvvBkoOFvicGweJHoUWdpUdgL/EZFWo1x7lFto305VDB1m1GXsmVbMrbXnmtb6Ov X-Received: by 10.42.232.206 with SMTP id jv14mr1007443icb.52.1391720219664; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:56:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from monkey-bot.int.fusionio.com ([209.117.142.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qb3sm2166907igb.7.2014.02.06.12.56.58 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:56:58 -0800 (PST) Sender: Warner Losh Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 13:56:54 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1391538649.19169.79261269.3C5F49D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <493DEB39-C4B4-409E-B8B2-B1B11E013754@netgate.com> <60555.1391549390@critter.freebsd.dk> <23B18B88-D888-46B3-99F6-905F86E20FAF@netgate.com> , <52F2461B.1070405@m5p.com> To: Kamil Choudhury X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , George Mitchell X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 20:57:06 -0000 On Feb 5, 2014, at 7:34 AM, Kamil Choudhury wrote: >=20 > George wrote:=20 >> This discussion is very entertaining. But let's not lose sight of = the >> main point: ARM processors are not going away. It is to FreeBSD's >> detriment if we don't have Tier 1 support for a processor that, by = some >> guesses, already comprises the majority of new installations by = count. >=20 > Moving on to specifics, what concrete steps would be necessary to = actually=20 > get FreeBSD support for this architecture?=20 You'll need a new pmap for arm, and a bunch of other things. Plus you'll = need to get ACPI working on arm64, and you may also need FDT + ACPI = coexistence depending on your development route. Plus you'll need arm64 = (aarch64) support in llvm and/or some external toolchain (which would = mean you'd need to beef up the external toolchain support for freebsd's = build). And then you'll need new drivers. And people to test it and = hammer it and fix the stability issues that pop up. And that's not even = considering the issues with pkg support etc. It is a heavy lift to get all the way there, although a 'hack' port that = gets to single user with a ram-disk or nfs root and a serial port = working wouldn't be too hard. So it's like Ian said: we need bodies working on this... So far, I'm = only aware of one part timer. Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 6 21:00:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1A6F8D8 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2014 21:00:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f180.google.com (mail-ie0-f180.google.com [209.85.223.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60B0715AE for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2014 21:00:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f180.google.com with SMTP id at1so1004105iec.25 for ; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:00:53 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=y0eFqStRFQVHZiv57O3zvyl8QK/H9HZMUsDRUltPRLQ=; b=N+cH7+aUHZjlfyuK3vIbsq9uPn2D2NZN3oVqaro+OFF19eEb+/iqAVoBReQxneZlOj aVeOLEOi1LXzQ7FXNCjS3cqE1tCWmOjhZcUxzgyAYFNWkUARDUZ7QB8GLfUAWlDzAi5E diEkKwno7eHrXHGu0ECPjYm/0tSufDonJHmbhxQahIsPOQl6EAwR6mhpIUCh/04IFRrI +/E3+WJzz7EzAPDWyJXJp+m9ep76aHjpYzyoTBatDOx2ZIt9leP3jajOHfVf8ZzAfe36 orySrn0pOSWwNKC1X0f9vm+SHh5TYGFRHRYU6TYcIT7Caorh68aE3s0y/n678qAKpz1j HPAw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnz5cpZIXerx4T2lC0k/LW8HpyH8g8gwCI56W5RRhIx2uuP54CrZuhVkVw8WBUoH45ScOuB X-Received: by 10.42.154.73 with SMTP id p9mr1075983icw.25.1391720453522; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:00:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from monkey-bot.int.fusionio.com ([209.117.142.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h6sm2185723igy.8.2014.02.06.13.00.52 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:00:53 -0800 (PST) Sender: Warner Losh Subject: Re: remove shutdown messages in console Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <52F05DFC.7070007@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 14:00:51 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1D565840-1ADA-4567-85B0-FB4AE771B823@bsdimp.com> References: <52F05DFC.7070007@freebsd.org> To: Julian Elischer X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 21:00:54 -0000 On Feb 3, 2014, at 8:26 PM, Julian Elischer wrote: > On 2/2/14, 6:07 PM, Reza Mirzazadeh wrote: >> hi . how can i remove shutdown messages in console ? or even print my >> arbitrary messages in console ? >>=20 >>=20 >> *** FINAL System shutdown message from root@geekiam *** >> System going down IMMEDIATELY >>=20 >> some messages like these ! i don't want it print theses messages >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>=20 > we implimented the consmute sysctl option to "mute" an otherwise = configured console for exactly this purpose. > (and boot messages). Except these are different beast. They aren't kernel messages, but = generated by userland... to get rid of these, hack /etc/syslog.conf to get rid of the *.emerg * = line. Or hack shutdown to stop sending them.... Or use 'halt' and 'reboot' only Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 7 13:50:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8560BD2; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 13:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru [46.4.40.135]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FDEE1E22; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 13:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lion.home.serebryakov.spb.ru (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:923f:1:cc06:8a07:85a3:8279]) (Authenticated sender: lev@serebryakov.spb.ru) by onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 83DF04AC1C; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 17:50:05 +0400 (MSK) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 17:49:57 +0400 From: Lev Serebryakov Organization: FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <717736061.20140207174957@serebryakov.spb.ru> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Why clang bundled with 10-RELEASE doesn't define __has_feature(cxx_nullptr)? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: lev@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 13:50:07 -0000 Hello, freebsd-stable. Why __has_feature(cxx_nulptr) doesn't work on system compiler? nullptr itself works! Here is sample program: ============================= test.cxx #include #ifndef __has_feature #warning "Doesn't support for __has_feature at all" #define __has_feature(x) 0 #endif #if __has_feature(cxx_nullptr) #warning "Has nullptr" #else #warning "Doesn't have nullptr" #endif int main(int argn, char *argv[]) { void *v = nullptr; return 0; } ====================================== > c++ --version FreeBSD clang version 3.3 (tags/RELEASE_33/final 183502) 20130610 Target: x86_64-unknown-freebsd10.0 Thread model: posix > c++ test.cxx test.cxx:11:2: warning: "Doesn't have nullptr" [-W#warnings] #warning "Doesn't have nullptr" ^ 1 warning generated. > -- // Black Lion AKA Lev Serebryakov From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 7 15:47:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 941EA54A; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 15:47:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from tensor.andric.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:7b8:3a7:1:2d0:b7ff:fea0:8c26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DA3D1AAF; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 15:47:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2001:7b8:3a7::9502:12a8:3deb:47e] (unknown [IPv6:2001:7b8:3a7:0:9502:12a8:3deb:47e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tensor.andric.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FD1F5C44; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 16:47:42 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Why clang bundled with 10-RELEASE doesn't define __has_feature(cxx_nullptr)? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4BBF6D1A-1376-4B99-AA3A-E79385123DA2"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.1 (6062eb4) From: Dimitry Andric X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: <717736061.20140207174957@serebryakov.spb.ru> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 16:47:31 +0100 Message-Id: <4D300C6C-4684-4C42-B059-4CC40258358F@FreeBSD.org> References: <717736061.20140207174957@serebryakov.spb.ru> To: lev@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) Cc: freebsd-hackers , freebsd-stable stable X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 15:47:51 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_4BBF6D1A-1376-4B99-AA3A-E79385123DA2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 07 Feb 2014, at 14:49, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > Hello, freebsd-stable. >=20 > Why __has_feature(cxx_nulptr) doesn't work on system compiler? nullptr > itself works! ... >> c++ test.cxx > test.cxx:11:2: warning: "Doesn't have nullptr" [-W#warnings] > #warning "Doesn't have nullptr" Hi Lev, You need to specify at least -std=3Dc++0x for nullptr to be 'officially' = available. -Dimitry --Apple-Mail=_4BBF6D1A-1376-4B99-AA3A-E79385123DA2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.22 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAlL1ABcACgkQsF6jCi4glqOiCwCfZ1wblORGtohD7J9hZdTmEUHe zYkAoMX/MQwL6DABrtSqFVTHairtsQYT =H/EL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_4BBF6D1A-1376-4B99-AA3A-E79385123DA2-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 7 16:34:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24D982D8 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 16:34:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru [46.4.40.135]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E181094 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 16:34:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lion.home.serebryakov.spb.ru (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:923f:1:cc06:8a07:85a3:8279]) (Authenticated sender: lev@serebryakov.spb.ru) by onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B20E14AC1C for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 20:34:24 +0400 (MSK) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 20:34:17 +0400 From: Lev Serebryakov Organization: FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <12310461351.20140207203417@serebryakov.spb.ru> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Is it possible to get make variable without recursive expansion? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: lev@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 16:34:26 -0000 Hello, Freebsd-hackers. Suppose, I have in my Makefile such construction: A=xxx B=yyy ANB=${A} and ${B} Is it possible to get value of ANB without recursive expansion, i.e. string "${A} and ${B} and" in this case? I know, that all expansions are done at last moment (If I don't use ":=" operator), but is it possible to block second- and more-level expansion? I need to output "ANB=${ANB}" construction to external file without further expansion... -- // Black Lion AKA Lev Serebryakov From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 7 18:25:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC46AD9C; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 18:25:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9939F1ADF; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 18:25:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Alfreds-MacBook-Pro-9.local (c-76-21-10-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.21.10.192]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 46E081A3C1C; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 10:25:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <52F5251A.8020401@mu.org> Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 10:25:30 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lev@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is it possible to get make variable without recursive expansion? References: <12310461351.20140207203417@serebryakov.spb.ru> In-Reply-To: <12310461351.20140207203417@serebryakov.spb.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 18:25:27 -0000 On 2/7/14 8:34 AM, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > Hello, Freebsd-hackers. > > > Suppose, I have in my Makefile such construction: > > A=xxx > B=yyy > ANB=${A} and ${B} > > Is it possible to get value of ANB without recursive expansion, i.e. string > "${A} and ${B} and" in this case? I know, that all expansions are done at > last moment (If I don't use ":=" operator), but is it possible to block > second- and more-level expansion? > > I need to output "ANB=${ANB}" construction to external file without further > expansion... > a: echo "AMB=\$${AMB}" ? -- Alfred Perlstein From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 7 18:52:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B328840 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 18:52:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru [IPv6:2a01:4f8:131:60a2::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BDB71D43 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 18:52:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lion.home.serebryakov.spb.ru (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:923f:1:cc06:8a07:85a3:8279]) (Authenticated sender: lev@serebryakov.spb.ru) by onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B17C04AC1C; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 22:52:12 +0400 (MSK) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 22:52:05 +0400 From: Lev Serebryakov Organization: FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <201495029.20140207225205@serebryakov.spb.ru> To: Alfred Perlstein Subject: Re: Is it possible to get make variable without recursive expansion? In-Reply-To: <52F5251A.8020401@mu.org> References: <12310461351.20140207203417@serebryakov.spb.ru> <52F5251A.8020401@mu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: lev@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 18:52:14 -0000 Hello, Alfred. You wrote 7 =D1=84=D0=B5=D0=B2=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=BB=D1=8F 2014 =D0=B3., 22:25:= 30: AP> On 2/7/14 8:34 AM, Lev Serebryakov wrote: >> Hello, Freebsd-hackers. >> >> >> Suppose, I have in my Makefile such construction: >> >> A=3Dxxx >> B=3Dyyy >> ANB=3D${A} and ${B} >> >> Is it possible to get value of ANB without recursive expansion, i.e. s= tring >> "${A} and ${B} and" in this case? I know, that all expansions are done at >> last moment (If I don't use ":=3D" operator), but is it possible to block >> second- and more-level expansion? >> >> I need to output "ANB=3D${ANB}" construction to external file without = further >> expansion... >> AP> a: AP> echo "AMB=3D\$${AMB}" It will echo "AMB=3D${AMB}" as-is, as far as I understand, it is simple. A= nd I need to get "ANB=3D${A} and ${B}" output. --=20 // Black Lion AKA Lev Serebryakov From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 7 19:07:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1059A8; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 19:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8C11E49; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 19:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Alfreds-MacBook-Pro-9.local (c-76-21-10-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.21.10.192]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B7A9D1A3C20; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 11:07:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <52F52F06.8080605@mu.org> Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 11:07:50 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lev@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Is it possible to get make variable without recursive expansion? References: <12310461351.20140207203417@serebryakov.spb.ru> <52F5251A.8020401@mu.org> <201495029.20140207225205@serebryakov.spb.ru> In-Reply-To: <201495029.20140207225205@serebryakov.spb.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 19:07:47 -0000 On 2/7/14 10:52 AM, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > Hello, Alfred. > You wrote 7 февраля 2014 г., 22:25:30: > > AP> On 2/7/14 8:34 AM, Lev Serebryakov wrote: >>> Hello, Freebsd-hackers. >>> >>> >>> Suppose, I have in my Makefile such construction: >>> >>> A=xxx >>> B=yyy >>> ANB=${A} and ${B} >>> >>> Is it possible to get value of ANB without recursive expansion, i.e. string >>> "${A} and ${B} and" in this case? I know, that all expansions are done at >>> last moment (If I don't use ":=" operator), but is it possible to block >>> second- and more-level expansion? >>> >>> I need to output "ANB=${ANB}" construction to external file without further >>> expansion... >>> > AP> a: > AP> echo "AMB=\$${AMB}" > It will echo "AMB=${AMB}" as-is, as far as I understand, it is simple. And I need to get > "ANB=${A} and ${B}" output. > > > I do not think it's possible. You're basically asking "is there a way to ask Make for the text on the lhs of the variable assignment WITHOUT expansion? Your only option would be to "cheat" and not use the expanded form I think: A=aaa B=bbb AMB=\$${A} and \$${B} a: echo "AMB=${AMB}" Results in: .(19:07:30)(alfred@freefall.freebsd.org) ~ % make echo "AMB=\${A} and \${B}" AMB=${A} and ${B} .(19:07:30)(alfred@freefall.freebsd.org) ~ % There is no way to query make(1) (that I can see) for the exact value at the time of assignment and before expansion. -- Alfred Perlstein From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 7 19:38:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9EFF7CA for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 19:38:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru [IPv6:2a01:4f8:131:60a2::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C6AE11B4 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 19:38:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lion.home.serebryakov.spb.ru (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:923f:1:cc06:8a07:85a3:8279]) (Authenticated sender: lev@serebryakov.spb.ru) by onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2E2154AC1C; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 23:38:51 +0400 (MSK) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 23:38:44 +0400 From: Lev Serebryakov Organization: FreeBSD Project X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <933525355.20140207233844@serebryakov.spb.ru> To: Alfred Perlstein Subject: Re: Is it possible to get make variable without recursive expansion? In-Reply-To: <52F52F06.8080605@mu.org> References: <12310461351.20140207203417@serebryakov.spb.ru> <52F5251A.8020401@mu.org> <201495029.20140207225205@serebryakov.spb.ru> <52F52F06.8080605@mu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: lev@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 19:38:53 -0000 Hello, Alfred. You wrote 7 =D1=84=D0=B5=D0=B2=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=BB=D1=8F 2014 =D0=B3., 23:07:= 50: AP> Your only option would be to "cheat" and not use the expanded form I th= ink: AP> A=3Daaa AP> B=3Dbbb AP> AMB=3D\$${A} and \$${B} AP> a: AP> echo "AMB=3D${AMB}" AP> Results in: AP> .(19:07:30)(alfred@freefall.freebsd.org) AP> ~ % make AP> echo "AMB=3D\${A} and \${B}" AP> AMB=3D${A} and ${B} AP> .(19:07:30)(alfred@freefall.freebsd.org) AP> ~ % AP> There is no way to query make(1) (that I can see) for the exact value a= t=20 AP> the time of assignment and before expansion. It is pity, because I need to make it with MAKE_ENV & CONFIGURE_MAKE variables in out port system :( --=20 // Black Lion AKA Lev Serebryakov From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 7 19:46:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCAD2AA2; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 19:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.allbsd.org (gatekeeper.allbsd.org [IPv6:2001:2f0:104:e001::32]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2CECC125B; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 19:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alph.d.allbsd.org (p2106-ipbf2009funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp [114.146.169.106]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.allbsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s17Jkb3v065230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 8 Feb 2014 04:46:48 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by alph.d.allbsd.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s17JkZV0057442; Sat, 8 Feb 2014 04:46:36 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 04:45:59 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20140208.044559.1454108709341728013.hrs@allbsd.org> To: lev@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Is it possible to get make variable without recursive expansion? From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <12310461351.20140207203417@serebryakov.spb.ru> References: <12310461351.20140207203417@serebryakov.spb.ru> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 6.5 on Emacs 24.3 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Sat_Feb__8_04_45_59_2014_545)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.4 at gatekeeper.allbsd.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender DNS name whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.allbsd.org [133.31.130.32]); Sat, 08 Feb 2014 04:46:48 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-94.3 required=13.0 tests=CONTENT_TYPE_PRESENT, RCVD_IN_PBL,RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL,SPF_SOFTFAIL,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on gatekeeper.allbsd.org Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 19:46:56 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Sat_Feb__8_04_45_59_2014_545)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lev Serebryakov wrote in <12310461351.20140207203417@serebryakov.spb.ru>: le> Hello, Freebsd-hackers. le> le> le> Suppose, I have in my Makefile such construction: le> le> A=xxx le> B=yyy le> ANB=${A} and ${B} le> le> Is it possible to get value of ANB without recursive expansion, i.e. string le> "${A} and ${B} and" in this case? I know, that all expansions are done at le> last moment (If I don't use ":=" operator), but is it possible to block le> second- and more-level expansion? le> le> I need to output "ANB=${ANB}" construction to external file without further le> expansion... This may be what you want but works only with bmake: ----Makefile---- A=xxx B=yyy ANB=${A} and ${B} all: @echo ANB=$$(make -VANB) @echo ANB=$$(make .MAKE.EXPAND_VARIABLES=0 -VANB) ----Makefile---- -- Hiroki ----Security_Multipart(Sat_Feb__8_04_45_59_2014_545)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEABECAAYFAlL1N/cACgkQTyzT2CeTzy3TAgCglMznIFV853ySvsJ19DHSXlux vdgAnjHp4dkjzoJWqW5u8Vof8r0X2iT/ =bTxK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Sat_Feb__8_04_45_59_2014_545)---- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 7 20:19:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65E6D39D for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 20:19:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x243.google.com (mail-la0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::243]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E54911516 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 20:19:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f67.google.com with SMTP id pv20so813172lab.10 for ; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 12:19:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=B5l0G0ZpTO9R92BgZ6x8FgqppJ1QMmn/InH+umTcYAk=; b=RP6C3RfyTEUbZB5w4KvuH0lbjV7LsQbEmuLuDjb8LGgSrfFNFLlhGjWzcBsLHXGU4v akl9PeLPEblZUN81eTGIzt1L3B31YTWxkaN7Z0tMNG1B+CLkdjq5+I6bj5ToH/EMP8T7 BuExM8znS7mm2y0OJdtT3vmErwNZ6UVWnVFRjsjKcgLPTv385QwytVVMS078u3PhvP5d wEQob0PT9PXxJ1jPHDsLQXTKV1asnDxF7083bwPcGvmw1GDeeYrZsPuf1k32TGuH9g9o Iz0RzDqFeJBtISoi9ot21WKUS7BFpv2oC8HGrPjmtqc7iFWVMk/orX9maGkfOaSHJ743 OTEQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.33.108 with SMTP id q12mr10841600lbi.8.1391804363847; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 12:19:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.175.231 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 12:19:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 12:19:23 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: opteron a1100 arm From: Dieter BSD To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 20:19:26 -0000 STefan writes, "parity" == "Gleichstand" ... Ya, ya, Ich verstehen. The parity-verses-ECC stuff was an (apparently failed) attempt at humor, hence the ":-)". Mark asks, > Is it even available to purchase? "AMD this quarter will ship the software development kits (CPUs, mainboards, etc.) to select software developers." "AMD Opteron A1100 "Seattle" system-on-chips will be commercially available in the second half of 2014." "The extremely popular GNU C compiler and the critical GNU C Library have already been ported to the 64-bit ARM architecture." The kit of course comes with penguinix. The bad news is that it has only 8 PCIe lanes. Are expansion cards considered uncool these days, or what? How are you supposed to add all the essential stuff they leave off the mainboard? http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20140131110927_AMD_to_Ship_ARM_Based_Opteron_PCs_to_Software_Makers_This_Quarter.html (I'm still seeking info on Berlin. Hopefully the boards will have more than 1 or 2 expansion slots.) From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 7 20:44:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 819E48D3; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 20:44:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5AC1706; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 20:44:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Alfreds-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [50.204.88.5]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 54F6E1A3C2B; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 12:44:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <52F545B5.7040407@mu.org> Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 12:44:37 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lev@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Is it possible to get make variable without recursive expansion? References: <12310461351.20140207203417@serebryakov.spb.ru> <52F5251A.8020401@mu.org> <201495029.20140207225205@serebryakov.spb.ru> <52F52F06.8080605@mu.org> <933525355.20140207233844@serebryakov.spb.ru> In-Reply-To: <933525355.20140207233844@serebryakov.spb.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 20:44:41 -0000 On 2/7/14, 11:38 AM, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > Hello, Alfred. > You wrote 7 февраля 2014 г., 23:07:50: > > AP> Your only option would be to "cheat" and not use the expanded form I think: > > AP> A=aaa > AP> B=bbb > AP> AMB=\$${A} and \$${B} > > AP> a: > AP> echo "AMB=${AMB}" > > AP> Results in: > AP> .(19:07:30)(alfred@freefall.freebsd.org) > AP> ~ % make > AP> echo "AMB=\${A} and \${B}" > AP> AMB=${A} and ${B} > AP> .(19:07:30)(alfred@freefall.freebsd.org) > AP> ~ % > > AP> There is no way to query make(1) (that I can see) for the exact value at > AP> the time of assignment and before expansion. > It is pity, because I need to make it with MAKE_ENV & CONFIGURE_MAKE > variables in out port system :( > > > ~ % make -f Makefile -XV AMB ? From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 7 21:12:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9250E3D1 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 21:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru [46.4.40.135]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E6721990 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 21:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lion.home.serebryakov.spb.ru (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:923f:1:cc06:8a07:85a3:8279]) (Authenticated sender: lev@serebryakov.spb.ru) by onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C81404AC1C; Sat, 8 Feb 2014 01:12:31 +0400 (MSK) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 01:12:25 +0400 From: Lev Serebryakov Organization: FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <173605890.20140208011225@serebryakov.spb.ru> To: Alfred Perlstein Subject: Re: Is it possible to get make variable without recursive expansion? In-Reply-To: <52F545B5.7040407@mu.org> References: <12310461351.20140207203417@serebryakov.spb.ru> <52F5251A.8020401@mu.org> <201495029.20140207225205@serebryakov.spb.ru> <52F52F06.8080605@mu.org> <933525355.20140207233844@serebryakov.spb.ru> <52F545B5.7040407@mu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: lev@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 21:12:33 -0000 Hello, Alfred. You wrote 8 =D1=84=D0=B5=D0=B2=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=BB=D1=8F 2014 =D0=B3., 0:44:3= 7: AP> ~ % make -f Makefile -XV AMB Yoohoo! It works! --=20 // Black Lion AKA Lev Serebryakov From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 8 01:21:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 98BF6232 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2014 01:21:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C5821CF3 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2014 01:21:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=H69ZMpki c=1 sm=0 a=s99JP9nkuyUZgdwK7wvnJA==:17 a=CPwA9CjszQEA:10 a=VSm3iadO7nkA:10 a=6lBslN5KadwA:10 a=LEup1id8KFYA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=oX08kPI8AAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=qXmjcyhLpMcA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=1cuYtYiAy3PXeY4ck6kA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=4wfsiePOASQA:10 a=BwkfvXdXw-gA:10 a=s99JP9nkuyUZgdwK7wvnJA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Authenticated-User: X-Originating-IP: 72.132.160.201 Received: from [72.132.160.201] ([72.132.160.201:18711] helo=bsdfull.Belkin) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 15/E2-11872-5A685F25; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 01:21:41 +0000 Message-ID: <52F586A3.6080404@sdf.org> Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 17:21:39 -0800 From: Cary User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:25.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/25.0 SeaMonkey/2.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: remove shutdown messages in console References: <52F05DFC.7070007@freebsd.org> <1D565840-1ADA-4567-85B0-FB4AE771B823@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <1D565840-1ADA-4567-85B0-FB4AE771B823@bsdimp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 01:21:49 -0000 Warner Losh wrote: > > On Feb 3, 2014, at 8:26 PM, Julian Elischer wrote: > >> On 2/2/14, 6:07 PM, Reza Mirzazadeh wrote: >>> hi . how can i remove shutdown messages in console ? or even print my >>> arbitrary messages in console ? >>> >>> >>> *** FINAL System shutdown message from root@geekiam *** >>> System going down IMMEDIATELY >>> >>> some messages like these ! i don't want it print theses messages >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> we implimented the consmute sysctl option to "mute" an otherwise configured console for exactly this purpose. >> (and boot messages). > > Except these are different beast. They aren't kernel messages, but generated by userland... > > to get rid of these, hack /etc/syslog.conf to get rid of the *.emerg * line. > Or hack shutdown to stop sending them.... > Or use 'halt' and 'reboot' only > > Warner > > > It was easy to substitute an arbitrary message. I used the following command: # sed 's/System going down IMMEDIATELY/Farewell, Doctor F, until our paths meet yet once more/' /usr/src/sbin/shutdown/shutdown.c >new.shutdown.c then ran "clang -o shutdown new.shutdown.c" . If the file "shutdown" were copied to /sbin would that work as expected? Cary -- cary@sdf.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org ------------------------------