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Hi everyone!

I am trying to install FreeBSD on my Macbook pro early 2011 in dual boot =
with OS X Mavericks but so far I could not boot on it once the =
installation is complete.

Computer specs: =
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/specs/macbook-pro-core-i=
7-2.3-17-early-2011-unibody-thunderbolt-specs.html

I tried using the gpart command, blessing the partition, using gdisk to =
create an hybrid MBR, but so far nothing has worked.

Here's what I tried:
=
http://phosphor-escence.blogspot.ca/2012/01/dual-boot-pc-bsd-90-and-os-x-l=
ion-on.html
https://glenbarber.us/2011/11/12/Dual-Booting-OS-X-and-FreeBSD-9.html
I also looked in the mailing lists, and the FreeBSD forums, but I could =
not find any solutions.

Now on latest versions of OS X Bootcamp (Mountain Lion, Mavericks) I =
cannot create a partition without having a Windows disk, and I also =
tried using Bootcamp under Snow Leopard.

Regarding the errors I have after the installation, it's either "can't =
load kernel" or "Missing bootloader", with or without hybrid MBR. The =
partition table is GPT, and the system uses a EFI boot manager.

Thanks in advance for any answer to my problem.

Cheers,
Fred



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Hello,

 

I have a new laptop which I'm well sick of having to run linux on. Is there
a way to encourage someone to write a driver for intel 7260 wifi card?

I am a C programmer, and I would be willing to volunteer time, but I don't
know how useful I will be with neither driver writing nor wifi protocol nor
FreeBSD development process experience. Still, if anyone would point me in
the right direction I would happily give it a shot. Where can this stuff be
learnt? I also see that linux drivers exist, but I'm not sure about legal
problems when copying from those.

Or, while I probably couldn't afford to fund it entirely myself, is there a
way I could chip into a pot to help fund someone with more experience to at
least make a start on it?

 

Sincerely,

Daniel Collins


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On 16.08.2014 16:54, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 16:23:53 +0200, Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have got a python3.4 script which I can start from an rc.d script as a
>> daemon this way:
>> 	
>>   daemon -p /var/run/my.pid /path/to/python3.4 /path/to/myscript.py
>>
>>
>> /path/to/python3.4 /path/to/myscript.py produces interesting messages on
>> stdout and stderr, so I would like to collect them in /var/log/my.log .
>> I have tried all kinds of combinations of >>'s and 2>&1's but either I
>> catch daemon's output which is nothing or the script won't start anymore.
>>
>> Any ideas? - Thanks for your help

After some playing around:

> Idea:
> 
> 	# ( daemon -p /var/run/my.pid /path/to/python3.4 /path/to/myscript.py ) > /tmp/myscript.log 2>&1
This doesn't work: it produces an empty logfile ...

> You can use ( ... ) to "summarize" subshell outputs, but in
> your case using _script_ is probably the easiest method. It
> will capture all output written to the terminal (stdout and
> stderr). See "man script" for details.
That's not "elegant" but it works for me. I have to use a long command

daemon -f -p /var/run/my.pid script -a /var/log/my.log \
/path/to/python3.4 /path/to/myscript.py

Thanks for your input!

Greetings

Peter

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On 16.08.2014 19:16, Michael Ross wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 16:23:53 +0200, Peter Ulrich Kruppa
> <ulrich@pukruppa.de> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have got a python3.4 script which I can start from an rc.d script as a
>> daemon this way:
>>     
>>   daemon -p /var/run/my.pid /path/to/python3.4 /path/to/myscript.py
>>
>>
>> /path/to/python3.4 /path/to/myscript.py produces interesting messages on
>> stdout and stderr, so I would like to collect them in /var/log/my.log .
>> I have tried all kinds of combinations of >>'s and 2>&1's but either I
>> catch daemon's output which is nothing or the script won't start anymore.
>>
>> Any ideas? - Thanks for your help
>>
>> Peter
> 
> You could do the redirection in your python script:
> 
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4675728/redirect-stdout-to-a-file-in-python
> 
> 
> Basically,
> 
> import sys
> f=open('logfile','w')
> 
> def redirect(msg):
>    f.write(msg)
> 
> sys.stdout=redirect
> sys.stderr=redirect
Thanks for your idea - using python's redirection should be the "nice"
way to solve my problem, but I have to admit I couldn't get that
working, yet - I end up with an empty logfile.

For now I am happy with Polytropon's script solution, but I will put
your approach on my ToDo list.

Greetings

Peter

> 
> 
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Hi, have you since tried installing/upgrading KDE packages with the 
latest release of pkg(8), 1.3.6? and has it been successful? I recall 
you changed to pkg-devel but I believe the issues with non-devel version 
of pkg have been resolved and I am wondering if it is now safe to go 
ahead and install KDE 4.12.5

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On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 03:24:27PM +1000, dbc wrote:
> Hello,
>=20
> I have a new laptop which I'm well sick of having to run linux on. Is the=
re
> a way to encourage someone to write a driver for intel 7260 wifi card?

You might want to ask on the freebsd-wireless list. But I think Cedric Gross
is working on it.

> I am a C programmer, and I would be willing to volunteer time, but I don't
> know how useful I will be with neither driver writing nor wifi protocol n=
or
> FreeBSD development process experience. Still, if anyone would point me in
> the right direction I would happily give it a shot. Where can this stuff =
be
> learnt? I also see that linux drivers exist, but I'm not sure about legal
> problems when copying from those.

There is a github repo; https://github.com/KreizIT/FreeBSD-IWN

The Linux and FreeBSD kernels are quite different internally. So just copyi=
ng
code would be useless.

And Linux kernel code is under the GPL, which AFAIK is not acceptable in the
FreeBSD base system.

What is usually done is study how the Linux driver works, and re-implement =
it
in the way FreeBSD drivers are written. You can study existing drivers as
references. You should consider joining the freebsd-hackers list if you sta=
rt
working on FreeBSD code.

The standard book about the internals of FreeBSD is;

    Marshall Kirk McKusick, George V. Neville-Neil
    The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System.
    Boston, Mass. : Addison-Wesley, 2004. ISBN 0-201-70245-2

Marshall Kirk McKusick teaches courses about the internals of FreeBSD. IIRC
you can order videos of them online.

See also
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/bibliography-osi=
nternals.html

> Or, while I probably couldn't afford to fund it entirely myself, is there=
 a
> way I could chip into a pot to help fund someone with more experience to =
at
> least make a start on it?

You can always make a donation; https://www.freebsd.org/donations/

Roland
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Greetings,

On 2014-08-15 17:53, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>    Xdm uses .xinitrc to start a "something" right? Please show your
>    .xinitrc
>    I guess you're trying to use xfce, have you verified that all 
> required
>    packages are installed ( xfce, xorg-server, xf86-video*, 
> xf86-input*?
>    What graphics hw are you using? Which xorg-stack ( new /old)?
>    Are you using a xorg.conf or using default on-the-fly-config?
>    Best regards
>    Andreas
> 
>    OK, here goes, see attached. Whenever I startx from the command line
>    after a console login, XFCE starts up & operates AOK, so I would 
> guess
>    the install is OK. Gfx hw is a jaguar kabini CPU, w/ GPU on die w/ 
> CPU.
>    gfx is too new for X.org support, so I am using the vesa driver.
>    .xinitrc:  exec /usr/local/bin/startxfce4

Maybe I'm missing the point here entirely, but xdm uses $HOME/.xsession.
A missing .xsession has quite the same symptoms, and since XFCE works 
fine after startx,
which indeed uses $HOME/.xinitrc, you might try
% echo 'exec /usr/local/bin/startxfce4' >$HOME/.xsession
and then restart xdm.

Sincerely,


florian

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On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 11:08:23 +0200, flo@snakeoilproductions.net wrote:
> Maybe I'm missing the point here entirely, but xdm uses $HOME/.xsession.
> A missing .xsession has quite the same symptoms, and since XFCE works 
> fine after startx,
> which indeed uses $HOME/.xinitrc, you might try
> % echo 'exec /usr/local/bin/startxfce4' >$HOME/.xsession
> and then restart xdm.

This is what I suggested, except getting rid of the "two files
problem" by calling .xinitrc via .xession (which is what xdm
executes).

Content of ~/.xsession:

	#!/bin/csh
	source ~/.cshrc
	exec ~/.xinitrc

Content of ~/.xinitrc:

	#!/bin/sh
	# ... your other startup initializers here ...
	exec /usr/local/bin/startxfce4

Typically, both files have +x attribute, but that's probably
not even needed (like the #!/bin/sh line of .xinitrc, it just
makes clear what "language" it is written in).

This should work. It works with a lot of window managers I've
tested so far. I have not tested with Xfce, though. ;-)


-- 
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On 08/17/14 04:08, flo@snakeoilproductions.net wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> On 2014-08-15 17:53, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>>    Xdm uses .xinitrc to start a "something" right? Please show your
>>    .xinitrc
>>    I guess you're trying to use xfce, have you verified that all 
>> required
>>    packages are installed ( xfce, xorg-server, xf86-video*, xf86-input*?
>>    What graphics hw are you using? Which xorg-stack ( new /old)?
>>    Are you using a xorg.conf or using default on-the-fly-config?
>>    Best regards
>>    Andreas
>>
>>    OK, here goes, see attached. Whenever I startx from the command line
>>    after a console login, XFCE starts up & operates AOK, so I would 
>> guess
>>    the install is OK. Gfx hw is a jaguar kabini CPU, w/ GPU on die w/ 
>> CPU.
>>    gfx is too new for X.org support, so I am using the vesa driver.
>>    .xinitrc:  exec /usr/local/bin/startxfce4
>
> Maybe I'm missing the point here entirely, but xdm uses $HOME/.xsession.
> A missing .xsession has quite the same symptoms, and since XFCE works 
> fine after startx,
> which indeed uses $HOME/.xinitrc, you might try
> % echo 'exec /usr/local/bin/startxfce4' >$HOME/.xsession
> and then restart xdm.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> florian
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Long thread here, you could backtracck it if you're sufficiently 
bored/motivated .... short answer is whenever I use the .xsession (i.e. 
xdm managing the login), it doesn't work, pretty much no matter what I 
tried .... I'm back to console login followed by startx, works for now ....

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one of my most haunted webpages is 
http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=htx&product=N0R&overlay=11111111&loop=yes 
to view local weather in motion .... when I just visited under FreeBSD 
9.3, FF31, both 64-bit, it says it needs a plugin to proceed, but 
doesn't tell me what plugin. I guessed Adobe flash & 'pkg install 
flash-0.9.5', but still nogo (it was a WAG ....) .... any help w/ what 
plugin or package I need to view this webpage ? TIA ....


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On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 06:56:27 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
> 
> 
> one of my most haunted webpages is 
> http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=htx&product=N0R&overlay=11111111&loop=yes 
> to view local weather in motion .... when I just visited under FreeBSD 
> 9.3, FF31, both 64-bit, it says it needs a plugin to proceed, but 
> doesn't tell me what plugin. I guessed Adobe flash & 'pkg install 
> flash-0.9.5', but still nogo (it was a WAG ....) .... any help w/ what 
> plugin or package I need to view this webpage ? TIA ....

Follow the instructions in the Handbook, there are more
steps involved than just installing a package:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/desktop-browsers.html

See 7.2.1.2.

The mentioned page works for me (FreeBSD 8.2, Opera 11.50,
linux-f10-flashplugin-10.3r183.5), so it should also work
with today's software. :-)


-- 
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Yes, you must have flash installed for this web site.
Please see =
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/desktop-browsers.html#moz-flash-plugin=
 for instructions regarding installing Adobe Flash for Firefox.

Jeremy

P.S.:
You've installed shells/flash, which is not what you were looking for:
> % cat /usr/ports/shells/flash/pkg-descr=20
> Flash is an attempt to create a secure menu-driver shell for =
UNIX-derived OSes,
> while providing user-friendliness and easy configurability. An ideal =
situation
> requiring the use of flash would be a student-run telnet server which =
needs to:
>=20
> a) shelter the users from some of the nastinesses of UNIX
> b) shelter the system from nasty users
> c) provide an easy way to launch applications
> d) support multitasking/job control as elegantly as possible
> e) support easy-to-get-right configuration by administrators


Am 17.08.2014 um 13:56 schrieb William A. Mahaffey III <wam@hiwaay.net>:

>=20
>=20
> one of my most haunted webpages is =
http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=3Dhtx&product=3DN0R&overlay=3D11111=
111&loop=3Dyes to view local weather in motion .... when I just visited =
under FreeBSD 9.3, FF31, both 64-bit, it says it needs a plugin to =
proceed, but doesn't tell me what plugin. I guessed Adobe flash & 'pkg =
install flash-0.9.5', but still nogo (it was a WAG ....) .... any help =
w/ what plugin or package I need to view this webpage ? TIA ....
>=20
>=20
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On 08/17/14 06:58, Jeremy Boy wrote:

Hmmmmm .... OK, I just removed flash-0.9.5 & looked at the URL you 
posted. I'll look into nsflashplugin ....

> Yes, you must have flash installed for this web site.
> Please see http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/desktop-browsers.html#moz-flash-plugin for instructions regarding installing Adobe Flash for Firefox.
>
> Jeremy
>
> P.S.:
> You've installed shells/flash, which is not what you were looking for:
>> % cat /usr/ports/shells/flash/pkg-descr
>> Flash is an attempt to create a secure menu-driver shell for UNIX-derived OSes,
>> while providing user-friendliness and easy configurability. An ideal situation
>> requiring the use of flash would be a student-run telnet server which needs to:
>>
>> a) shelter the users from some of the nastinesses of UNIX
>> b) shelter the system from nasty users
>> c) provide an easy way to launch applications
>> d) support multitasking/job control as elegantly as possible
>> e) support easy-to-get-right configuration by administrators
>
> Am 17.08.2014 um 13:56 schrieb William A. Mahaffey III <wam@hiwaay.net>:
>
>>
>> one of my most haunted webpages is http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=htx&product=N0R&overlay=11111111&loop=yes to view local weather in motion .... when I just visited under FreeBSD 9.3, FF31, both 64-bit, it says it needs a plugin to proceed, but doesn't tell me what plugin. I guessed Adobe flash & 'pkg install flash-0.9.5', but still nogo (it was a WAG ....) .... any help w/ what plugin or package I need to view this webpage ? TIA ....
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> 	William A. Mahaffey III
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> 	 ever devised by man."
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>>
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On 08/17/14 06:58, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 06:56:27 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>>
>> one of my most haunted webpages is
>> http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=htx&product=N0R&overlay=11111111&loop=yes
>> to view local weather in motion .... when I just visited under FreeBSD
>> 9.3, FF31, both 64-bit, it says it needs a plugin to proceed, but
>> doesn't tell me what plugin. I guessed Adobe flash & 'pkg install
>> flash-0.9.5', but still nogo (it was a WAG ....) .... any help w/ what
>> plugin or package I need to view this webpage ? TIA ....
> Follow the instructions in the Handbook, there are more
> steps involved than just installing a package:
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/desktop-browsers.html
>
> See 7.2.1.2.
>
> The mentioned page works for me (FreeBSD 8.2, Opera 11.50,
> linux-f10-flashplugin-10.3r183.5), so it should also work
> with today's software. :-)
>
>

OK, to install that port, all I should have to do is cd to 
/usr/ports/www/nspluginwrapper/ & type in 'make insatll', right ? 
Remember, new to FreeBSD :-) ....

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	William A. Mahaffey III

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On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 07:58:03 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
> OK, to install that port, all I should have to do is cd to 
> /usr/ports/www/nspluginwrapper/ & type in 'make insatll', right ? 
> Remember, new to FreeBSD :-) ....

Yes, but that's only a part of the process. If I remember correctly,
this also involves installing the Linux "Flash" (because there is
no "Flash" plugin for FreeBSD) in combination with the Linux support
subsystem. This dependency will be installed automatically, but it
may take some time.

As root, run

	# ln -s /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/

After installation, execute from your user's account:

	% nspluginwrapper -a -v -i

Again, it's worth mentioning that following the steps in 7.2.1.2.
should bring you the full functionality. Firefox has always been
my "Flash"-free browser, whereas I use "Flash" with Opera, which
works perfectly good and is also described in the Handbook.

To repeat the relevant source:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/desktop-browsers.html

I'd like to mention that "Flash" support on FreeBSD isn't worse
than on any other platform I've tried it, even if a native plugin
is supplied. But for keeping up with the latest week's fashions
of HTML5, Javascript frameworks, CSS tricks and so on, make sure
to use a current browser. Firefox is the best solution currently
available, but Chromium is also acceptable. The "web experience"
on FreeBSD isn't inferior to other platforms.


-- 
Polytropon
Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...

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On 08/17/14 06:58, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 06:56:27 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>>
>> one of my most haunted webpages is
>> http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=htx&product=N0R&overlay=11111111&loop=yes
>> to view local weather in motion .... when I just visited under FreeBSD
>> 9.3, FF31, both 64-bit, it says it needs a plugin to proceed, but
>> doesn't tell me what plugin. I guessed Adobe flash & 'pkg install
>> flash-0.9.5', but still nogo (it was a WAG ....) .... any help w/ what
>> plugin or package I need to view this webpage ? TIA ....
> Follow the instructions in the Handbook, there are more
> steps involved than just installing a package:
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/desktop-browsers.html
>
> See 7.2.1.2.
>
> The mentioned page works for me (FreeBSD 8.2, Opera 11.50,
> linux-f10-flashplugin-10.3r183.5), so it should also work
> with today's software. :-)
>
>

OK, I just kicked off a 'make install' in 
/usr/ports/www/nspluginwrapper' & noticed 2 suspicious things: The port 
aparently uses the old pkg-tools to fetch stuff, while I am using pkgng 
for the rest of the system. I thought this would create problems, no ? 
If so, how come someone (ports maintainer ?) hasn't gone through & 
cleaned that up :-) ? 2nd, the make failed looking for some fedora 
compat files .... How come these weren't fetched & installed on the fly ?

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On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 1:44 PM, William A. Mahaffey III <wam@hiwaay.net>
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> On 08/17/14 04:08, flo@snakeoilproductions.net wrote:
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> On 2014-08-15 17:53, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>>
>>>    Xdm uses .xinitrc to start a "something" right? Please show your
>>>    .xinitrc
>>>    I guess you're trying to use xfce, have you verified that all required
>>>    packages are installed ( xfce, xorg-server, xf86-video*, xf86-input*?
>>>    What graphics hw are you using? Which xorg-stack ( new /old)?
>>>    Are you using a xorg.conf or using default on-the-fly-config?
>>>    Best regards
>>>    Andreas
>>>
>>>    OK, here goes, see attached. Whenever I startx from the command line
>>>    after a console login, XFCE starts up & operates AOK, so I would guess
>>>    the install is OK. Gfx hw is a jaguar kabini CPU, w/ GPU on die w/
>>> CPU.
>>>    gfx is too new for X.org support, so I am using the vesa driver.
>>>    .xinitrc:  exec /usr/local/bin/startxfce4
>>>
>>
>> Maybe I'm missing the point here entirely, but xdm uses $HOME/.xsession.
>> A missing .xsession has quite the same symptoms, and since XFCE works
>> fine after startx,
>> which indeed uses $HOME/.xinitrc, you might try
>> % echo 'exec /usr/local/bin/startxfce4' >$HOME/.xsession
>> and then restart xdm.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>>
>> florian
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> Long thread here, you could backtracck it if you're sufficiently
> bored/motivated .... short answer is whenever I use the .xsession (i.e. xdm
> managing the login), it doesn't work, pretty much no matter what I tried
> .... I'm back to console login followed by startx, works for now ....
>
>
> --
>
>         William A. Mahaffey III
>

Have you tried to use truss/dtrace to see what happens when startxfce4 is
run?

Or perhaps just editing startxfce4 script to have #!/bin/sh -x . The
startxfce4 script seems to run the commands in xinitrc, found in
.config/xfce4/xinitrc $HOME/.xfce4/.xinitrc or
/usr/local/etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc . Have a look at it, it might help you in
your investigation.

If you wish to pursue the further, that is.

Best regards
Andreas

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On 08/17/14 08:08, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 1:44 PM, William A. Mahaffey III 
> <wam@hiwaay.net <mailto:wam@hiwaay.net>> wrote:
>
>
>     On 08/17/14 04:08, flo@snakeoilproductions.net
>     <mailto:flo@snakeoilproductions.net> wrote:
>
>         Greetings,
>
>         On 2014-08-15 17:53, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>
>                Xdm uses .xinitrc to start a "something" right? Please
>             show your
>                .xinitrc
>                I guess you're trying to use xfce, have you verified
>             that all required
>                packages are installed ( xfce, xorg-server,
>             xf86-video*, xf86-input*?
>                What graphics hw are you using? Which xorg-stack ( new
>             /old)?
>                Are you using a xorg.conf or using default
>             on-the-fly-config?
>                Best regards
>                Andreas
>
>                OK, here goes, see attached. Whenever I startx from the
>             command line
>                after a console login, XFCE starts up & operates AOK,
>             so I would guess
>                the install is OK. Gfx hw is a jaguar kabini CPU, w/
>             GPU on die w/ CPU.
>                gfx is too new for X.org support, so I am using the
>             vesa driver.
>                .xinitrc:  exec /usr/local/bin/startxfce4
>
>
>         Maybe I'm missing the point here entirely, but xdm uses
>         $HOME/.xsession.
>         A missing .xsession has quite the same symptoms, and since
>         XFCE works fine after startx,
>         which indeed uses $HOME/.xinitrc, you might try
>         % echo 'exec /usr/local/bin/startxfce4' >$HOME/.xsession
>         and then restart xdm.
>
>         Sincerely,
>
>
>         florian
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>
>     Long thread here, you could backtracck it if you're sufficiently
>     bored/motivated .... short answer is whenever I use the .xsession
>     (i.e. xdm managing the login), it doesn't work, pretty much no
>     matter what I tried .... I'm back to console login followed by
>     startx, works for now ....
>
>
>     -- 
>
>             William A. Mahaffey III
>
>
> Have you tried to use truss/dtrace to see what happens when startxfce4 
> is run?
>
> Or perhaps just editing startxfce4 script to have #!/bin/sh -x . The 
> startxfce4 script seems to run the commands in xinitrc, found in 
> .config/xfce4/xinitrc $HOME/.xfce4/.xinitrc or 
> /usr/local/etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc . Have a look at it, it might help 
> you in your investigation.
>
> If you wish to pursue the further, that is.
>
> Best regards
> Andreas

Thx, I'm OK for now ....

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> 2nd, the make failed looking for some fedora 
> compat files .... How come these weren't fetched & installed on the fly ?

Oh, I thought that would be a dependency... install the
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Make sure you have Linux ABI in the kernel (should be the
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mentioned provides those.



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Am 17.08.2014 um 15:12 schrieb William A. Mahaffey III <wam@hiwaay.net>:
>=20
> OK, I just kicked off a 'make install' in =
/usr/ports/www/nspluginwrapper' & noticed 2 suspicious things: The port =
aparently uses the old pkg-tools to fetch stuff, while I am using pkgng =
for the rest of the system. I thought this would create problems, no ? =
If so, how come someone (ports maintainer ?) hasn't gone through & =
cleaned that up :-) ?

Did you add "WITH_PKGNG=3Dyes" to your /etc/make.conf? If not, please do =
so (without quotes, of course). This will indicate the ports collection =
that you have pkgng installed.=

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> Am 17.08.2014 um 15:12 schrieb William A. Mahaffey III <wam@hiwaay.net>:
>> OK, I just kicked off a 'make install' in /usr/ports/www/nspluginwrapper' & noticed 2 suspicious things: The port aparently uses the old pkg-tools to fetch stuff, while I am using pkgng for the rest of the system. I thought this would create problems, no ? If so, how come someone (ports maintainer ?) hasn't gone through & cleaned that up :-) ?
> Did you add "WITH_PKGNG=yes" to your /etc/make.conf? If not, please do so (without quotes, of course). This will indicate the ports collection that you have pkgng installed.
>

file wasn't there, I created it .... Thx ....

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On 08/17/14 08:11, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 08:12:19 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>> 2nd, the make failed looking for some fedora
>> compat files .... How come these weren't fetched & installed on the fly ?
> Oh, I thought that would be a dependency... install the
> linux_base-f10 port, it should include the dependencies.
> Make sure you have Linux ABI in the kernel (should be the
> default) and check if your /etc/fstab has
>
> 	linproc  /compat/linux/proc   linprocfs   rw  0  0
> 	proc     /proc                procfs      rw  0  0
>
> included. Remember: This is the _Linux_ version of "Flash"
> running via FreeBSD's alternative binary interface, so it
> expects certain Linux facilities to be present. The port
> mentioned provides those.
>
>
>

There was/is a pkg for this, I installed that & proceeded, it eventually 
finished. Now I am looking around for the actual flash plugin, mozilla 
doesn't have one (!!!!), any idea where to go for that ? TIA ....

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On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 08:50:48 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
> 
> On 08/17/14 08:11, Polytropon wrote:
> > On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 08:12:19 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
> >> 2nd, the make failed looking for some fedora
> >> compat files .... How come these weren't fetched & installed on the fly ?
> > Oh, I thought that would be a dependency... install the
> > linux_base-f10 port, it should include the dependencies.
> > Make sure you have Linux ABI in the kernel (should be the
> > default) and check if your /etc/fstab has
> >
> > 	linproc  /compat/linux/proc   linprocfs   rw  0  0
> > 	proc     /proc                procfs      rw  0  0
> >
> > included. Remember: This is the _Linux_ version of "Flash"
> > running via FreeBSD's alternative binary interface, so it
> > expects certain Linux facilities to be present. The port
> > mentioned provides those.
> >
> >
> >
> 
> There was/is a pkg for this, I installed that & proceeded, it eventually 
> finished. Now I am looking around for the actual flash plugin, mozilla 
> doesn't have one (!!!!), any idea where to go for that ? TIA ....

Make sure linproc is mounted (a reboot should be fine), and
then run:

	% nspluginwrapper -a -v -i

Afterwards, "about:plugins" should list it in Firefox. As I
said, I'm not using "Flash" with Firefox, but with Opera, as
described in the Handbook. Those steps should lead you to a
functioning installation. :-)



-- 
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On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 08:50:48AM -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>=20
> On 08/17/14 08:11, Polytropon wrote:
> > On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 08:12:19 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
> >> 2nd, the make failed looking for some fedora
> >> compat files .... How come these weren't fetched & installed on the fl=
y ?
> > Oh, I thought that would be a dependency... install the
> > linux_base-f10 port, it should include the dependencies.
> > Make sure you have Linux ABI in the kernel (should be the
> > default) and check if your /etc/fstab has
> >
> > 	linproc  /compat/linux/proc   linprocfs   rw  0  0
> > 	proc     /proc                procfs      rw  0  0
> >
> > included. Remember: This is the _Linux_ version of "Flash"
> > running via FreeBSD's alternative binary interface, so it
> > expects certain Linux facilities to be present. The port
> > mentioned provides those.
>=20
> There was/is a pkg for this, I installed that & proceeded, it eventually=
=20
> finished. Now I am looking around for the actual flash plugin, mozilla=20
> doesn't have one (!!!!), any idea where to go for that ? TIA ....

Have you followed the directions in
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/desktop-browsers.html completely?
Including running nspluginwrapper?

You might want to remind the people running the website in question that the
nineties have been over for some time now. Even Adobe is abandoning Flash (=
at
least on mobile devices) in favor os HTML5.


Roland
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On 17/08/2014 12:58, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 06:56:27 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>>
>> one of my most haunted webpages is
>> http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=htx&product=N0R&overlay=11111111&loop=yes
>> to view local weather in motion .... when I just visited under FreeBSD
>> 9.3, FF31, both 64-bit, it says it needs a plugin to proceed, but
>> doesn't tell me what plugin. I guessed Adobe flash & 'pkg install
>> flash-0.9.5', but still nogo (it was a WAG ....) .... any help w/ what
>> plugin or package I need to view this webpage ? TIA ....
> Follow the instructions in the Handbook, there are more
> steps involved than just installing a package:
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/desktop-browsers.html
>
> See 7.2.1.2.
>
> The mentioned page works for me (FreeBSD 8.2, Opera 11.50,
> linux-f10-flashplugin-10.3r183.5), so it should also work
> with today's software. :-)
>
>
linux-f10-flashplugin is currently unavailable as one of its dependent 
package is marked as forbidden, i've not been able to get around it with 
the usual tricks so i've installed it against the c6-linux emulation 
package instead of the f10 one

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On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 17:03:16 +0100, Jamie Griffin wrote:
> linux-f10-flashplugin is currently unavailable as one of its dependent 
> package is marked as forbidden, i've not been able to get around it with 
> the usual tricks so i've installed it against the c6-linux emulation 
> package instead of the f10 one

Really? Uh, that's bad... Some time ago, I read that due to
licensing, there are Linux ports that you can compile from
source, but there won't be precompiled packages (as sources
for pkg) for them. Wouldn't it be possible to determine which
dependency is marked as forbidden, build that from source
(and I assume obtaining the source for a "make install" run
is _not_ forbidden) and continue from that point, either
with ports or with binary packages?

When I installed my system, I built all stuff from source,
so the mentioned obstacle might not have hit me for that
reason - or the obstacle is new. It's not that I install
or update my home system every day... or week... or moth...
or year... "never touch a running system"... ;-)




-- 
Polytropon
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Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...

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On 08/17/14 08:54, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 08:50:48 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>> On 08/17/14 08:11, Polytropon wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 08:12:19 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>>>> 2nd, the make failed looking for some fedora
>>>> compat files .... How come these weren't fetched & installed on the fly ?
>>> Oh, I thought that would be a dependency... install the
>>> linux_base-f10 port, it should include the dependencies.
>>> Make sure you have Linux ABI in the kernel (should be the
>>> default) and check if your /etc/fstab has
>>>
>>> 	linproc  /compat/linux/proc   linprocfs   rw  0  0
>>> 	proc     /proc                procfs      rw  0  0
>>>
>>> included. Remember: This is the _Linux_ version of "Flash"
>>> running via FreeBSD's alternative binary interface, so it
>>> expects certain Linux facilities to be present. The port
>>> mentioned provides those.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> There was/is a pkg for this, I installed that & proceeded, it eventually
>> finished. Now I am looking around for the actual flash plugin, mozilla
>> doesn't have one (!!!!), any idea where to go for that ? TIA ....
> Make sure linproc is mounted (a reboot should be fine), and
> then run:
>
> 	% nspluginwrapper -a -v -i
>
> Afterwards, "about:plugins" should list it in Firefox. As I
> said, I'm not using "Flash" with Firefox, but with Opera, as
> described in the Handbook. Those steps should lead you to a
> functioning installation. :-)
>
>
>

about:plugins told me 'no plugins installed', which I already knew ;-) 
.... I have done the other 2 steps earlier ....

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On 08/17/14 10:58, Roland Smith wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 08:50:48AM -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>> On 08/17/14 08:11, Polytropon wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 08:12:19 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>>>> 2nd, the make failed looking for some fedora
>>>> compat files .... How come these weren't fetched & installed on the fly ?
>>> Oh, I thought that would be a dependency... install the
>>> linux_base-f10 port, it should include the dependencies.
>>> Make sure you have Linux ABI in the kernel (should be the
>>> default) and check if your /etc/fstab has
>>>
>>> 	linproc  /compat/linux/proc   linprocfs   rw  0  0
>>> 	proc     /proc                procfs      rw  0  0
>>>
>>> included. Remember: This is the _Linux_ version of "Flash"
>>> running via FreeBSD's alternative binary interface, so it
>>> expects certain Linux facilities to be present. The port
>>> mentioned provides those.
>> There was/is a pkg for this, I installed that & proceeded, it eventually
>> finished. Now I am looking around for the actual flash plugin, mozilla
>> doesn't have one (!!!!), any idea where to go for that ? TIA ....
> Have you followed the directions in
> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/desktop-browsers.html completely?
> Including running nspluginwrapper?
>
> You might want to remind the people running the website in question that the
> nineties have been over for some time now. Even Adobe is abandoning Flash (at
> least on mobile devices) in favor os HTML5.
>
>
> Roland

Word dat on old tech, it's a US-gov website (NOAA or subset), they might 
still be using that 20 years from now. I have followed those directions 
completely, AFAIK, I just can't find the actual flash plugin to load & 
use ....

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On 08/17/14 11:03, Jamie Griffin wrote:
>
> On 17/08/2014 12:58, Polytropon wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 06:56:27 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>>>
>>> one of my most haunted webpages is
>>> http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=htx&product=N0R&overlay=11111111&loop=yes 
>>>
>>> to view local weather in motion .... when I just visited under FreeBSD
>>> 9.3, FF31, both 64-bit, it says it needs a plugin to proceed, but
>>> doesn't tell me what plugin. I guessed Adobe flash & 'pkg install
>>> flash-0.9.5', but still nogo (it was a WAG ....) .... any help w/ what
>>> plugin or package I need to view this webpage ? TIA ....
>> Follow the instructions in the Handbook, there are more
>> steps involved than just installing a package:
>>
>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/desktop-browsers.html
>>
>> See 7.2.1.2.
>>
>> The mentioned page works for me (FreeBSD 8.2, Opera 11.50,
>> linux-f10-flashplugin-10.3r183.5), so it should also work
>> with today's software. :-)
>>
>>
> linux-f10-flashplugin is currently unavailable as one of its dependent 
> package is marked as forbidden, i've not been able to get around it 
> with the usual tricks so i've installed it against the c6-linux 
> emulation package instead of the f10 one
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Aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh .... that clarifies much :-/ .... can both of those 
emulations be installed at the same time, or is it remove f10, then 
install c6 ?

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	William A. Mahaffey III

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	 ever devised by man."
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On 08/17/14 08:06, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 07:58:03 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>> OK, to install that port, all I should have to do is cd to
>> /usr/ports/www/nspluginwrapper/ & type in 'make insatll', right ?
>> Remember, new to FreeBSD :-) ....
> Yes, but that's only a part of the process. If I remember correctly,
> this also involves installing the Linux "Flash" (because there is
> no "Flash" plugin for FreeBSD) in combination with the Linux support
> subsystem. This dependency will be installed automatically, but it
> may take some time.
>
> As root, run
>
> 	# ln -s /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/
>
> After installation, execute from your user's account:
>
> 	% nspluginwrapper -a -v -i
>
> Again, it's worth mentioning that following the steps in 7.2.1.2.
> should bring you the full functionality. Firefox has always been
> my "Flash"-free browser, whereas I use "Flash" with Opera, which
> works perfectly good and is also described in the Handbook.
>
> To repeat the relevant source:
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/desktop-browsers.html
>
> I'd like to mention that "Flash" support on FreeBSD isn't worse
> than on any other platform I've tried it, even if a native plugin
> is supplied. But for keeping up with the latest week's fashions
> of HTML5, Javascript frameworks, CSS tricks and so on, make sure
> to use a current browser. Firefox is the best solution currently
> available, but Chromium is also acceptable. The "web experience"
> on FreeBSD isn't inferior to other platforms.
>
>

I used to use/like Opera some years ago (on a 933 MHz P3, to date 
things), but it had a period when it was quite unstable, basically 
unusable, so I dumped it .... I would be perfectly willing to look at it 
again, you recommend ?

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On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 11:27:21 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
> Word dat on old tech, it's a US-gov website (NOAA or subset), they might 
> still be using that 20 years from now. I have followed those directions 
> completely, AFAIK, I just can't find the actual flash plugin to load & 
> use ....

That's strange, but I have to admit that I also had problems
getting "Flash" work in Firefox once. That's why I tried Opera
and it worked immediately. Could you, just for reference, try
that browser according to the instructions in the Handbook?
If it works, make Opera your "'Flash' browser" and let Firefox
be your "normal browser" for fast, unpolluted and secure web
access.



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On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 11:32:26 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
> I used to use/like Opera some years ago (on a 933 MHz P3, to date 
> things), but it had a period when it was quite unstable, basically 
> unusable, so I dumped it .... I would be perfectly willing to look at it 
> again, you recommend ?

Definitely. At least the older versions. I have read about
new Opera development, primarily an exchange of the rendering
component (HTML engine) as well as usability reconsiderations.
I'm not sure if I would like the new Opera. I'm still using
the 11.50 version (with "Flash") which is stable, fast, and nice
to use. Especially mouse gestures and the excellent (!) keyboard
support is something that I find superior to Firefox or Chromium.
But my view definitely is not objective, because I'm using
Opera since version 5 happily and almost exclusively. So they
have been washing my brain for years. :-)

If you don't mind, just try Opera for reference, simply to check
if "Flash" works for you in that constellation.




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On 08/17/14 11:39, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 11:27:21 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>> Word dat on old tech, it's a US-gov website (NOAA or subset), they might
>> still be using that 20 years from now. I have followed those directions
>> completely, AFAIK, I just can't find the actual flash plugin to load &
>> use ....
> That's strange, but I have to admit that I also had problems
> getting "Flash" work in Firefox once. That's why I tried Opera
> and it worked immediately. Could you, just for reference, try
> that browser according to the instructions in the Handbook?
> If it works, make Opera your "'Flash' browser" and let Firefox
> be your "normal browser" for fast, unpolluted and secure web
> access.
>
>
>

Already working in that direction ..... I got a few oddities when I did 
'pkg install  opera-12.16_2 opera-linuxplugins-12.16', 3 pkgs failed 
their POST-INSTALL .... unfortunately I have lost the output, did a 
'makewhatis -v' & washed it away ....

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On 08/17/14 11:39, Polytropon wrote:
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>> completely, AFAIK, I just can't find the actual flash plugin to load &
>> use ....
> That's strange, but I have to admit that I also had problems
> getting "Flash" work in Firefox once. That's why I tried Opera
> and it worked immediately. Could you, just for reference, try
> that browser according to the instructions in the Handbook?
> If it works, make Opera your "'Flash' browser" and let Firefox
> be your "normal browser" for fast, unpolluted and secure web
> access.
>
>
>

I just popped it open, looks nice. Any way to import bookmarks/history 
from FF :-) ?

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My upgrade to apache24 from 22 met an error about the Accept Filter.
I never had to deal with this before.
So research shows that I should run "kldload accf_http".
Which works, and apache24 now executes.
My question is, where is the correct location to place the
"kldload accf_http" directive?  I'm guessing "loader.conf", but that 
doesn't look right.

Thanks for advice.

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On 08/17/14 10:58, Roland Smith wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 08:50:48AM -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>> On 08/17/14 08:11, Polytropon wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 08:12:19 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>>>> 2nd, the make failed looking for some fedora
>>>> compat files .... How come these weren't fetched & installed on the fly ?
>>> Oh, I thought that would be a dependency... install the
>>> linux_base-f10 port, it should include the dependencies.
>>> Make sure you have Linux ABI in the kernel (should be the
>>> default) and check if your /etc/fstab has
>>>
>>> 	linproc  /compat/linux/proc   linprocfs   rw  0  0
>>> 	proc     /proc                procfs      rw  0  0
>>>
>>> included. Remember: This is the _Linux_ version of "Flash"
>>> running via FreeBSD's alternative binary interface, so it
>>> expects certain Linux facilities to be present. The port
>>> mentioned provides those.
>> There was/is a pkg for this, I installed that & proceeded, it eventually
>> finished. Now I am looking around for the actual flash plugin, mozilla
>> doesn't have one (!!!!), any idea where to go for that ? TIA ....
> Have you followed the directions in
> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/desktop-browsers.html completely?
> Including running nspluginwrapper?
>
> You might want to remind the people running the website in question that the
> nineties have been over for some time now. Even Adobe is abandoning Flash (at
> least on mobile devices) in favor os HTML5.
>
>
> Roland

I just tried following the directions on the above URL for opera w/ 
flash & I get the following:


\===>  Found saved configuration for linux-f10-flashplugin-11.2r202.346
===>   linux-f10-flashplugin-11.2r202.346 depends on file: 
/usr/local/sbin/pkg - found
=> install_flash_player_11_linux.i386.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in 
/usr/ports/distfiles/flashplugin/11.2r202.346.
=> Attempting to fetch 
http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/pdc/11.2.202.346/install_flash_player_11_linux.i386.tar.gz
fetch: 
http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/pdc/11.2.202.346/install_flash_player_11_linux.i386.tar.gz: 
Not Found
=> Attempting to fetch 
http://distcache.FreeBSD.org/ports-distfiles/flashplugin/11.2r202.346/install_flash_player_11_linux.i386.tar.gz
fetch: 
http://distcache.FreeBSD.org/ports-distfiles/flashplugin/11.2r202.346/install_flash_player_11_linux.i386.tar.gz: 
Not Found
=> Couldn't fetch it - please try to retrieve this
=> port manually into /usr/ports/distfiles/flashplugin/11.2r202.346 and 
try again.
*** [do-fetch] Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/www/linux-f10-flashplugin11.
*** [install] Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/www/linux-f10-flashplugin11.
[root@kabini1, linux-f10-flashplugin11, 11:59:01am] 419 %

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On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 11:51:14 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
> Already working in that direction ..... I got a few oddities when I did 
> 'pkg install  opera-12.16_2 opera-linuxplugins-12.16', 3 pkgs failed 
> their POST-INSTALL .... unfortunately I have lost the output, did a 
> 'makewhatis -v' & washed it away ....

In such cases, try building from source:

	# cd /usr/ports/www/opera
	# make install
	# cd /usr/ports/www/opera-linuxplugins
	# make install

Again, make sure linproc is mounted (mentioned earlier).

The about:plugins page should then list the following:

	Plug-ins
	[J] Enable plug-ins

	Refresh plug-ins		[ ] Details

	> Shockwave Flash		Disable
	Description: Shockwave Flash 10.3 r183
	/usr/local/lib/npapi/symlinks/linux-opera/libflashplayer.so

Really - I didn't do more than what was written in the handbook
to get this working. :-)


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On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 11:55:28 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
> I just popped it open, looks nice. Any way to import bookmarks/history 
> from FF :-) ?

I see File -> Import and Export -> Import Firefox Bookmarks...
(I've re-enabled the menu bar), so this seems to be the
required function. For browsing history, I don't see anything
that fits... :-(

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On 17/08/2014 17:29, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
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> On 08/17/14 11:03, Jamie Griffin wrote:
>>
>> On 17/08/2014 12:58, Polytropon wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 06:56:27 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>>>>
>>>> one of my most haunted webpages is
>>>> http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=htx&product=N0R&overlay=11111111&loop=yes 
>>>>
>>>> to view local weather in motion .... when I just visited under FreeBSD
>>>> 9.3, FF31, both 64-bit, it says it needs a plugin to proceed, but
>>>> doesn't tell me what plugin. I guessed Adobe flash & 'pkg install
>>>> flash-0.9.5', but still nogo (it was a WAG ....) .... any help w/ what
>>>> plugin or package I need to view this webpage ? TIA ....
>>> Follow the instructions in the Handbook, there are more
>>> steps involved than just installing a package:
>>>
>>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/desktop-browsers.html
>>>
>>> See 7.2.1.2.
>>>
>>> The mentioned page works for me (FreeBSD 8.2, Opera 11.50,
>>> linux-f10-flashplugin-10.3r183.5), so it should also work
>>> with today's software. :-)
>>>
>>>
>> linux-f10-flashplugin is currently unavailable as one of its 
>> dependent package is marked as forbidden, i've not been able to get 
>> around it with the usual tricks so i've installed it against the 
>> c6-linux emulation package instead of the f10 one
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> Aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh .... that clarifies much :-/ .... can both of those 
> emulations be installed at the same time, or is it remove f10, then 
> install c6 ?
>

You can only use one linux emulation system but the c6 one isn't ready 
really, I went ahead with it, albeit foolishly, to get some of the linux 
things installed.

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On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 18:44:33 +0200, Jim Pazarena <fquest@paz.bz> wrote:

> My upgrade to apache24 from 22 met an error about the Accept Filter.
> I never had to deal with this before.
> So research shows that I should run "kldload accf_http".
> Which works, and apache24 now executes.
> My question is, where is the correct location to place the
> "kldload accf_http" directive?  I'm guessing "loader.conf", but that  
> doesn't look right.
>
> Thanks for advice.

You should put

	apache24_http_accept_enable="YES"

into /etc/rc.conf

The apache rc script takes care of the module loading.


Michael



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I'm trying to build apache22 and mod_php5 with poudriere but it keeps 
pulling in apache24. I've tried adding DEFAULT_VERSIONS+=apache=2.2 
and USE_APACHE=22 in /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/10-0x64-make.conf, 
both singly and together but without success

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On Sun, 17 Aug 2014, dbc wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have a new laptop which I'm well sick of having to run linux on. Is there
> a way to encourage someone to write a driver for intel 7260 wifi card?
>
> I am a C programmer, and I would be willing to volunteer time, but I don't
> know how useful I will be with neither driver writing nor wifi protocol nor
> FreeBSD development process experience. Still, if anyone would point me in
> the right direction I would happily give it a shot. Where can this stuff be
> learnt? I also see that linux drivers exist, but I'm not sure about legal
> problems when copying from those.
>
> Or, while I probably couldn't afford to fund it entirely myself, is there a
> way I could chip into a pot to help fund someone with more experience to at
> least make a start on it?
>
I too am in this boat, except for having any C skills :)  My last two laptops 
have had no wireless support or in the case of my Dell also no support past the 
Vesa driver for the video card. I would also be willing to contribute funding 
for some relief to the wireless issue. I think probably the BSD Foundation would 
be the best vehicle. It seems to me however that one driver at a time is not a 
very general solution. I have tried the windows wrapper with zero success. First 
perhaps a discussion to determine if there is enough interest (i.e., money). I 
personally suspect our boat is a row boat). Then proceed on how a more general 
solution might be done.

My solution to the wireless problem has been an Apple Airport Extreme and a 
cable. An iphone also works as an access point (but not for too long).

I still think a path to growing new committers is to make it as easy as possible 
to use FreeBSD as a workstation. In my case, I was an IBM internals developer 
and would have never started thinking in Unix without the experience of making 
Xfree86 and then Xorg work (it took me long enough as it was). I do not want to 
use the desktop FreeBSDs because my path for going to the next major version is 
desktop --> internal systems --> production systems. If there are not enough 
people that either want to work like I do or think my general argument has 
merit, the only way to have a fully functional FreeBSD desktop is buy hardware 
[very] carefully. And we then must look to the FreeBSD desktops to 'recruit' the 
next generation of developers.

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On 08/17/14 12:13, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 11:55:28 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>> I just popped it open, looks nice. Any way to import bookmarks/history
>> from FF :-) ?
> I see File -> Import and Export -> Import Firefox Bookmarks...
> (I've re-enabled the menu bar), so this seems to be the
> required function. For browsing history, I don't see anything
> that fits... :-(
>

Thx, that got the bookmarks, but not any history .... any clues on that 
? TIA ....

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On 08/17/14 12:13, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 11:55:28 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>> I just popped it open, looks nice. Any way to import bookmarks/history
>> from FF :-) ?
> I see File -> Import and Export -> Import Firefox Bookmarks...
> (I've re-enabled the menu bar), so this seems to be the
> required function. For browsing history, I don't see anything
> that fits... :-(
>

While we're at it, how to set my own homepage ?

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	William A. Mahaffey III

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	 ever devised by man."
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 14:40:33 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
> While we're at it, how to set my own homepage ?

Which browser?

At the moment, I can just answer for Opera:

Go to the page you want to be your homepage. Press Alt+P
(Preferences), first tab is "General", and you'll see:
Start with home page (or with the tabs open from last
session, or no tabs at all, just as you like), next line
with a button "Use Current". The home page is set. OK.

The home page can be accessed immediately by pressing
Ctrl+Space. If no tab is open, one will be opened auto-
matically, or the current tab will be used.

But I think in Firefox the setting can be done in a
similar way (check Edit -> Preferences).



-- 
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On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 02:40:33PM -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
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> On 08/17/14 12:13, Polytropon wrote:
> > On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 11:55:28 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
> >> I just popped it open, looks nice. Any way to import bookmarks/history
> >> from FF :-) ?
> > I see File -> Import and Export -> Import Firefox Bookmarks...
> > (I've re-enabled the menu bar), so this seems to be the
> > required function. For browsing history, I don't see anything
> > that fits... :-(
> >
>=20
> While we're at it, how to set my own homepage ?
>=20
> --=20
>=20
> 	William A. Mahaffey III
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>   ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> 	"The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war
> 	 ever devised by man."
>                             -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr.
>
Hello.
Following you a bit on your journey to a "Perfect Laptop", it comes to my m=
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On 08/17/14 15:08, Hasse Hansson wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 02:40:33PM -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>> On 08/17/14 12:13, Polytropon wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 11:55:28 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>>>> I just popped it open, looks nice. Any way to import bookmarks/history
>>>> from FF :-) ?
>>> I see File -> Import and Export -> Import Firefox Bookmarks...
>>> (I've re-enabled the menu bar), so this seems to be the
>>> required function. For browsing history, I don't see anything
>>> that fits... :-(
>>>
>> While we're at it, how to set my own homepage ?
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> 	William A. Mahaffey III
>>
>>    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> 	"The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war
>> 	 ever devised by man."
>>                              -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr.
>>
> Hello.
> Following you a bit on your journey to a "Perfect Laptop", it comes to my mind,
> did you have a look at PCBSD ? http://www.pcbsd.org/
> or is it not apropiate in your case ?
> /All the best Hasse
>   
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Not a laptop, a desktop ;-) ....

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	William A. Mahaffey III

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On 08/17/14 14:47, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 14:40:33 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>> While we're at it, how to set my own homepage ?
> Which browser?
>
> At the moment, I can just answer for Opera:
>
> Go to the page you want to be your homepage. Press Alt+P
> (Preferences), first tab is "General", and you'll see:
> Start with home page (or with the tabs open from last
> session, or no tabs at all, just as you like), next line
> with a button "Use Current". The home page is set. OK.
>
> The home page can be accessed immediately by pressing
> Ctrl+Space. If no tab is open, one will be opened auto-
> matically, or the current tab will be used.
>
> But I think in Firefox the setting can be done in a
> similar way (check Edit -> Preferences).
>
>
>

Aaaaahhhhh, I couldn't seem to get to that dialog any other way .... Thx 
:-) ....

-- 

	William A. Mahaffey III

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	 ever devised by man."
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:52:06 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
> 
> On 08/17/14 14:47, Polytropon wrote:
> > On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 14:40:33 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
> >> While we're at it, how to set my own homepage ?
> > Which browser?
> >
> > At the moment, I can just answer for Opera:
> >
> > Go to the page you want to be your homepage. Press Alt+P
> > (Preferences), first tab is "General", and you'll see:
> > Start with home page (or with the tabs open from last
> > session, or no tabs at all, just as you like), next line
> > with a button "Use Current". The home page is set. OK.
> >
> > The home page can be accessed immediately by pressing
> > Ctrl+Space. If no tab is open, one will be opened auto-
> > matically, or the current tab will be used.
> >
> > But I think in Firefox the setting can be done in a
> > similar way (check Edit -> Preferences).
> >
> >
> >
> 
> Aaaaahhhhh, I couldn't seem to get to that dialog any other way .... Thx 
> :-) ....

If you have the menu enabled, it's Tools -> Preferences
(or Alt+P or Ctrl+PF12). I know it takes some time to
configure Opera into a state where it's usable. ;-)



-- 
Polytropon
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Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
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This is on PCBSD 10.  When I login my choices are
KDE and Fluxbox.  I'd like to try blackbox or xfce.  I've
built blackbox, but am not sure how to try it.  Thanks

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On 2014-08-16 16:23, Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have got a python3.4 script which I can start from an rc.d script as a
> daemon this way:
> 	
>    daemon -p /var/run/my.pid /path/to/python3.4 /path/to/myscript.py
>
>
> /path/to/python3.4 /path/to/myscript.py produces interesting messages on
> stdout and stderr, so I would like to collect them in /var/log/my.log .
> I have tried all kinds of combinations of >>'s and 2>&1's but either I
> catch daemon's output which is nothing or the script won't start anymore.
>
> Any ideas? - Thanks for your help
>

Try man logger.

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On 08/17/14 15:47, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:52:06 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>> On 08/17/14 14:47, Polytropon wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 14:40:33 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>>>> While we're at it, how to set my own homepage ?
>>> Which browser?
>>>
>>> At the moment, I can just answer for Opera:
>>>
>>> Go to the page you want to be your homepage. Press Alt+P
>>> (Preferences), first tab is "General", and you'll see:
>>> Start with home page (or with the tabs open from last
>>> session, or no tabs at all, just as you like), next line
>>> with a button "Use Current". The home page is set. OK.
>>>
>>> The home page can be accessed immediately by pressing
>>> Ctrl+Space. If no tab is open, one will be opened auto-
>>> matically, or the current tab will be used.
>>>
>>> But I think in Firefox the setting can be done in a
>>> similar way (check Edit -> Preferences).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Aaaaahhhhh, I couldn't seem to get to that dialog any other way .... Thx
>> :-) ....
> If you have the menu enabled, it's Tools -> Preferences
> (or Alt+P or Ctrl+PF12). I know it takes some time to
> configure Opera into a state where it's usable. ;-)
>
>
>

It's going well, list is very helpful. I did try to follow the 
directions on http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/desktop-browsers.html 
to build flash support for opera, & the build failed:



[root@kabini1, linux-f10-flashplugin11, 12:05:48pm] 435 % make clean
===>  Cleaning for linux-f10-atk-1.24.0
===>  Cleaning for linux-f10-cairo-1.8.0_2
===>  Cleaning for linux-f10-expat-2.0.1
===>  Cleaning for linux-f10-fontconfig-2.6.0
===>  Cleaning for linux-f10-gtk2-2.14.7_4
===>  Cleaning for linux-f10-jpeg-6b
===>  Cleaning for linux-f10-pango-1.28.3_1
===>  Cleaning for linux-f10-png-1.2.37_2
===>  Cleaning for linux-f10-tiff-3.8.2
===>  Cleaning for linux-f10-xorg-libs-7.4_1
===>  Cleaning for linux-f10-flashplugin-11.2r202.346
[root@kabini1, linux-f10-flashplugin11, 3:53:44pm] 436 % make install clean
===>  Found saved configuration for linux-f10-flashplugin-11.2r202.346
===>   linux-f10-flashplugin-11.2r202.346 depends on file: 
/usr/local/sbin/pkg - found
=> install_flash_player_11_linux.i386.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in 
/usr/ports/distfiles/flashplugin/11.2r202.346.
=> Attempting to fetch 
http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/pdc/11.2.202.346/install_flash_player_11_linux.i386.tar.gz
fetch: 
http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/pdc/11.2.202.346/install_flash_player_11_linux.i386.tar.gz: 
Not Found
=> Attempting to fetch 
http://distcache.FreeBSD.org/ports-distfiles/flashplugin/11.2r202.346/install_flash_player_11_linux.i386.tar.gz
fetch: 
http://distcache.FreeBSD.org/ports-distfiles/flashplugin/11.2r202.346/install_flash_player_11_linux.i386.tar.gz: 
Not Found
=> Couldn't fetch it - please try to retrieve this
=> port manually into /usr/ports/distfiles/flashplugin/11.2r202.346 and 
try again.
*** [do-fetch] Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/www/linux-f10-flashplugin11.
*** [install] Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/www/linux-f10-flashplugin11.
[root@kabini1, linux-f10-flashplugin11, 3:53:56pm] 437 %


not sure what's going on here ....


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> On Aug 17, 2014, at 11:46 AM, "Michael Ross" <gmx@ross.cx> wrote:
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>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 18:44:33 +0200, Jim Pazarena <fquest@paz.bz> wrote:
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>> My upgrade to apache24 from 22 met an error about the Accept Filter.
>> I never had to deal with this before.
>> So research shows that I should run "kldload accf_http".
>> Which works, and apache24 now executes.
>> My question is, where is the correct location to place the
>> "kldload accf_http" directive?  I'm guessing "loader.conf", but that doe=
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>>=20
>> Thanks for advice.
>=20
> You should put
>=20
>    apache24_http_accept_enable=3D"YES"
>=20
> into /etc/rc.conf
>=20
> The apache rc script takes care of the module loading.

Why is apache24_http_accept_enable required? Instructions generally indicat=
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work ok (apache24 is used to serve phpldapadmin only). Can anyone explain w=
hy?

Dale

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On 2014.08.17 15:48, Brian Wood wrote:
> This is on PCBSD 10.  When I login my choices are
> KDE and Fluxbox.  I'd like to try blackbox or xfce.  I've
> built blackbox, but am not sure how to try it.  Thanks
> 
I recommend using the PC-BSD-specific lists (or IRC channels) and documentation
since the PC-BSD utilities are covered much better there. While PC-BSD is
indeed FreeBSD at its core, most interaction with it is through the specific
desktop utilities they provide, and only a few people on the general FreeBSD
lists are really familiar with PC-BSD beyond the very basics.

XFCE is a first-class DE on PC-BSD, and switching to it should be a breeze
using the Package Manager. A quick look at the docs suggests that blackbox will
need to be installed using the "Advanced View" (which is what accesses the bulk
of applications available for FreeBSD that are not specifically blessed by
PC-BSD - known as the standard binary packages in vanilla FreeBSD land).

http://lists.pcbsd.org/mailman/listinfo/support
http://www.pcbsd.org/en/documentation/
#pcbsd on irc.freenode.net

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On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 03:50:00PM -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>=20
> On 08/17/14 15:08, Hasse Hansson wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 02:40:33PM -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
> >> On 08/17/14 12:13, Polytropon wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 11:55:28 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
> >>>> I just popped it open, looks nice. Any way to import bookmarks/histo=
ry
> >>>> from FF :-) ?
> >>> I see File -> Import and Export -> Import Firefox Bookmarks...
> >>> (I've re-enabled the menu bar), so this seems to be the
> >>> required function. For browsing history, I don't see anything
> >>> that fits... :-(
> >>>
> >> While we're at it, how to set my own homepage ?
> >>
> >> --=20
> >>
> >> 	William A. Mahaffey III
> >>
> >>    -------------------------------------------------------------------=
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> >>
> >> 	"The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war
> >> 	 ever devised by man."
> >>                              -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr.
> >>
> > Hello.
> > Following you a bit on your journey to a "Perfect Laptop", it comes to =
my mind,
> > did you have a look at PCBSD ? http://www.pcbsd.org/
> > or is it not apropiate in your case ?
> > /All the best Hasse
> >  =20
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>=20
> Not a laptop, a desktop ;-) ....
>=20
> --=20
>=20
> 	William A. Mahaffey III
>
Ok, sorry.
But PCBSD might be an alternative to check up  anyway ?
/Hasse
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   The open border agenda is not what it seems to be. Obama and his
   handlers are importing violent Mexicans and their drug wars into
   America to destabilize the nation prior to declaring a state of Martial
   law. The following prophetic warning was posted online back in August
   of 2011. What you are about to read is quite sobering. These
   revelations should leave no doubt in anyones mind, as to what he is
   really up to.....


   Here is an excerpt from the 2011 warning.....


   "But, through My servant, Linda Newkirk, I have often told you the
   plans of the enemy; and I tell you again, that you might prepare. The
   streets of the cities will run with blood because of race wars. The
   countryside will run with blood because of race wars; and you are only
   seeing the beginning of all that is at hand. For, their plan is also to
   import many violent Mexicans and to bring the Mexican drug wars over
   the border, to ignite race wars of one kind, or another, all over this
   nation."


   "Hear Me, oh you people of America. Hear Me; for a fire has been
   kindled. This fire is the destruction of the U.S.A.; and this fire will
   not be stopped until you are brought down, oh you harlot nation of
   America."


   But, still I plead with you, oh My people. Repent, or perish!


   I am your Father Yahweh, yea Jehovah, Most High God.


   As witnessed, dictated and recorded this 6th day of August, 2011,


   Linda Newkirk


                                Aug 7th, 2014


   Listen to Me My Blessed One; for I am the Holy One of Israel, the God
   who sits above you all, Jesus, Saviour and Redeemer!


   Hearken My Little One; for the cries of the innocent scream out to Me
   and the pollutions of the masses have risen up, even to a crescendo in
   America and an avalanche of evil has erupted all across the land!


   Darkness, yes the darkness of the darkness has overtaken this nation
   and the tears and the cries of the innocent pour out all across this
   land! For, you oh America, that one nation whom I have blessed above
   all nations, you have become the bottom feeders of the world:
   murderers, rapists, sodomites, whores and whoremongers, who see nothing
   wrong with your perversions, the very perversions which separate you
   from Me, the very perversions which make your house empty and devoid of
   My Spirit, the very perversions which lead your souls into darkness and
   thereby into destruction.


   Yet, you see nothing wrong with doing these things which separate you
   from Me, the Only One who can save you, the Only One who can save your
   souls! And, because you have chosen the pride of the flesh and have
   cast yourselves into the abominations of self-destruction and through
   your very own selfish choices to please the flesh and to avoid all that
   is spiritual and of the light, you have become spiritual cesspits, dark
   houses, which are full of every kind of foul, destructive and deceiving
   spirit.


   When a nation becomes an "anything goes" nation, that nation goes into
   ruin and destruction. I am not an "anything goes" God! I have told you
   to obey My commandments, to live honestly, to be chaste in your
   dealings, one with another, to correct yourselves and to do right and
   to obey My commands, to obey Me and to love one another. But, you do
   not choose it! Instead, you have become a nation of harlots, hot to
   pursue your own pleasures of the flesh, no matter how decadent you are
   in your pursuits!


   Therefore, I have given to you according to your own choices, a
   president who loves the works of the flesh, the works of self, a
   president who loves every carnal thing, a leader who hates you and
   despises you, oh decadent house! And, without your consent, he is
   steadily raping you, oh America in one way, or another. Yet, you
   marvel, "How could this be?" Did you not elect the one that I sent?
   And, now you wish to extricate yourselves from the one that you both
   elected, and the one that I sent.


   Do you not know that a nation is deserving of its leaders? The lawless
   nation will sport the lawless leaders and when lawlessness resides in a
   nation, a lawless leader abides and presides? Who do you blame, you
   lawless nation? For, have you not chosen to cast Me out and to deny Me
   and My righteous teachings? Have you not also decided in and of
   yourselves, oh harlot nation, to spread your legs and open up to every
   whore in the world?


   I have warned you to repent and you will not listen, oh harlot nation
   of America! And, now, you will perish, here a little and there a
   little, in increasing measures until you humble yourselves and cry out
   to Me in repentance for your own sins and for the sins of this nation!


   I am the same today, yesterday and tomorrow and though you think to
   make something new through all of your perversions, you have made
   nothing new, but have loved lawlessness! Therefore, lawlessness is the
   order of the day for you!


   Repent, or perish, oh My people! Repent, or perish! The avalanche is
   upon you! The dark tide is rolling in! You are on a crash course for it
   and a head-on collision! The raven is circling! The brown skinny dog is
   howling! The eagle is sick and dying. Its wings are crippled! The
   bushes are afire and burning! The air is full of toxins and poisons!
   The ground is parched and full of lifelessness! The whores are
   languishing and the tables are coming up empty! The black birds are
   circling and the babies are crying!


   Oh rot from within and rot from without! America, you are falling! You
   are falling! And, none to help you! For, you have lived lavishly! You
   have ripped and you have torn with your talons when there was no need
   for it! You have destructed without cause and you shall be destructed!
   Decadence! Women and wine! Spiritual decay! Insolence! A badge of
   courage, but not real courage, yes you have given it to yourselves, but
   not courage, a "bully" badge, an egoistic plunder of nations!


   Now, you shall be plundered, oh America! You are hereby warned! Repent,
   or perish!


   As witnessed, dictated and recorded this 7th day of August, 2014,


   Linda Newkirk


   There are many more sobering revelations about Obama at the website,
   revelation12.ca

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The following complex of questions primarily aims at those
participants of the questions list who have experience with
mplayer, mencoder, and state security. ;-)

I'm searching for some input regarding a FreeBSD-based
surveillance project. The basic setting: a PC-type system
equipped with a Hauppauge / BrookTree PCI TV card (with
excellent support) connected to a video source (camera
attached to "video in" cinch connector), and a sound card
(onboard version) connected to a microphone. The computer
has sufficient power (Intel Core2, 2 GB RAM, nVidia GPU).
Designated software: mencoder. There will be no external
signals, instead the recording will be started once, and
then continue until ^C.

I've done this in the past, but I'd like some fresh ideas
and new input, especially because there are obstacles which
I haven't encountered (and therefore solved) yet.

What I need:



1. TC

In a corner (for example top right) there should be
a time code with a precision of one second, like this:

	2014-08-18 12:50:32

The video source cannot supply it. It doesn't have to
be a high quality font. If it looks like a 7 segment
display, it's fully sufficient. More than date and time
is not needed.

How can this be added to the video "on the fly", during
creation?



2. File separation

For easier postprocessing, I need one file per hour
of the day (24 files for one day) and a directory
for each day, like this:

	2014-08-16/
	2014-08-17/
	2014-08-18/
		2014-08-18_00.avi
		2014-08-18_01.avi
		2014-08-18_02.avi
		...
		2014-08-18_12.avi
		2014-08-18_13.avi
		2014-08-18_14.avi
			(contains 14:00:00 - 14:59:59)
		2014-08-18_15.avi
		...
		2014-08-18_23.avi
	2014-08-19/
	2014-08-20/

How is this to be implemented? How would you start
mencoder every hour for one hour? What is the optimal
way to keep track of the time in the controlling shell
script?



3. File format

The videos don't need to be high quality. 800x600 or the
like would be sufficient (even less is okay). The audio
also doesn't need to be HiFi. MP3 or maybe even GSM codecs
are sufficient.

What encoding options do you recommend?




Comments and suggestions are highly welcome!


-- 
Polytropon
Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...

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On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 22:57:32 +0200, Dale Scott <dalescott@shaw.ca> wrote:

>> On Aug 17, 2014, at 11:46 AM, "Michael Ross" <gmx@ross.cx> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 18:44:33 +0200, Jim Pazarena <fquest@paz.bz> wrote:
>>>
>>> My upgrade to apache24 from 22 met an error about the Accept Filter.
>>> I never had to deal with this before.
>>> So research shows that I should run "kldload accf_http".
>>> Which works, and apache24 now executes.
>>> My question is, where is the correct location to place the
>>> "kldload accf_http" directive?  I'm guessing "loader.conf", but that  
>>> doesn't look right.
>>>
>>> Thanks for advice.
>>
>> You should put
>>
>>    apache24_http_accept_enable="YES"
>>
>> into /etc/rc.conf
>>
>> The apache rc script takes care of the module loading.
>
> Why is apache24_http_accept_enable required? Instructions generally  
> indicate to set both, but I only have apache24_enable in rc.conf and all  
> seems to work ok (apache24 is used to serve phpldapadmin only). Can  
> anyone explain why?
>
> Dale

It is not required.

"
      This is a filter to be placed on a socket that will be using accept()  
to
      receive incoming HTTP connections.

      It prevents the application from receiving the connected descriptor  
via
      accept() until either a full HTTP/1.0 or HTTP/1.1 HEAD or GET request  
has
      been buffered by the kernel.
"

See the man pages for accf_http and accf_data.


Michael

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I had a gnome-gdesklet clock app running on my old FC14 desktop box, 
gave a clock described as 'WWII RAF squadron wall clock'. There is a 
port of gnome-gdesklets clock (*gdesklets-clock-0.32_14 
<http://svnweb.FreeBSD.org/ports/head/x11-clocks/gdesklets-clock>) *.... 
I am looking for something similar for the XFCE desktop, i.e. simple 
largish analog clock desktop app, *no* gnome/KDE/etc. .... anyone know 
if there is one available ? I am searching ports on FreeBSD.org as I 
write this, but w/ 24K+ entries, it could be a while :-/ .... Can anyone 
save me some time here :-) ???? TIA


-- 

	William A. Mahaffey III

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	"The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war
	 ever devised by man."
                            -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr.


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On Mon, 18 Aug 2014 09:18:25 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
> 
> I had a gnome-gdesklet clock app running on my old FC14 desktop box, 
> gave a clock described as 'WWII RAF squadron wall clock'. There is a 
> port of gnome-gdesklets clock (*gdesklets-clock-0.32_14 
> <http://svnweb.FreeBSD.org/ports/head/x11-clocks/gdesklets-clock>) *.... 
> I am looking for something similar for the XFCE desktop, i.e. simple 
> largish analog clock desktop app, *no* gnome/KDE/etc. .... anyone know 
> if there is one available ?

How about the classic, xclock? Or oclock?



> I am searching ports on FreeBSD.org as I 
> write this, but w/ 24K+ entries, it could be a while :-/ .... Can anyone 
> save me some time here :-) ???? TIA

See /usr/ports/x11-clocks/oclock for more inspiration, there
are several clocks in this category which do not require you
to install a whole desktop environment just to see what time
it is. :-)

Additionally to xclock, I'm also using intclock to check the
time in other places of the world relevant for me.



-- 
Polytropon
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Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
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On 08/18/14 09:21, Polytropon wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2014 09:18:25 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>> I had a gnome-gdesklet clock app running on my old FC14 desktop box,
>> gave a clock described as 'WWII RAF squadron wall clock'. There is a
>> port of gnome-gdesklets clock (*gdesklets-clock-0.32_14
>> <http://svnweb.FreeBSD.org/ports/head/x11-clocks/gdesklets-clock>) *....
>> I am looking for something similar for the XFCE desktop, i.e. simple
>> largish analog clock desktop app, *no* gnome/KDE/etc. .... anyone know
>> if there is one available ?
> How about the classic, xclock? Or oclock?
>
>
>
>> I am searching ports on FreeBSD.org as I
>> write this, but w/ 24K+ entries, it could be a while :-/ .... Can anyone
>> save me some time here :-) ???? TIA
> See /usr/ports/x11-clocks/oclock for more inspiration, there
> are several clocks in this category which do not require you
> to install a whole desktop environment just to see what time
> it is. :-)
>
> Additionally to xclock, I'm also using intclock to check the
> time in other places of the world relevant for me.
>
>
>

oclock available as pkg, just installed it, usable for now, still pining 
for my RAF clock :-/ .... Thx ....

-- 

	William A. Mahaffey III

  ----------------------------------------------------------------------

	"The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war
	 ever devised by man."
                            -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr.


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    I have been tasked with converting several systems - some unix
(incl. FreeBSD), some Windows, to SSDs.
    What I know about SSDs will fit on the head of a pin.
    Can someone recommend a good primer and a trustworthy source for
information on product specs and reliability?


    Respectfully,


                Robert Huff



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On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Robert Huff <roberthuff@rcn.com> wrote:
>     I have been tasked with converting several systems - some unix
> (incl. FreeBSD), some Windows, to SSDs.
>     What I know about SSDs will fit on the head of a pin.
>     Can someone recommend a good primer and a trustworthy source for
> information on product specs and reliability?
>
>

Can't recommend this article enough as a great starting point:

http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2385276

This should give you a good background which will enable you to get
past alot of the marketing foo.  The TL;DR version of my advice is it
really depends on your workloads, filesystem and data integrity
expectations.  There are good "enterprise" quality SSD's that provide
durable write characteristics - but the come at a premium price point
(Check out the Intel DC S3700 for example).  Samsung also manufactures
good enterprise quality devices as well.

Hope this helps!
-pete

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On 08/18/14 11:49, Robert Huff wrote:
>      I have been tasked with converting several systems - some unix
> (incl. FreeBSD), some Windows, to SSDs.
>      What I know about SSDs will fit on the head of a pin.
>      Can someone recommend a good primer and a trustworthy source for
> information on product specs and reliability?
>
>
>      Respectfully,
>
>
>                  Robert Huff
>
>
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None of the SSD's are/will be as durable as spinning drives for writes 
.... That said, the SLC type are more durable than MLC or TLC .... Also 
more $$$$ & usually only available in smaller sizes. Good for a root 
drive, i.e. mostly read-olny operations. Swap & everything else on 
spinning platters ....

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	William A. Mahaffey III

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2014, Robert Huff wrote:

>    I have been tasked with converting several systems - some unix
> (incl. FreeBSD), some Windows, to SSDs.

Are these desktops or servers?

>    What I know about SSDs will fit on the head of a pin.
>    Can someone recommend a good primer and a trustworthy source for
> information on product specs and reliability?

Off-hand, I can't think of one.  I can offer my article on setting up 
SSDs for FreeBSD: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/ssd.html

Enable TRIM.  Enable AHCI if available.  Don't image drives with tools 
that copy every block, like dd, because the SSD will think every block 
that has been written is in use.  Some people like to leave 
unpartitioned space or an empty partition to add to the drive's built-in 
overprovisioning.

Internally, SSDs are RAID0, so a 256G drive can sometimes give faster 
writes than a 128G drive.

Don't get hung up on the maximum rated speed, which is mostly a pretend 
number you will never see.  Instead, realize that it's the essentially 
zero access times that make SSDs fast, and concentrate on reliable 
drives.  I've stuck mostly with Marvell controllers in SSDs from 
Plextor, Samsung, and Toshiba.  Other brands, including Intel, use 
Sandforce controllers.

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On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 09:38:38AM -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>=20
> On 08/18/14 09:21, Polytropon wrote:
> > On Mon, 18 Aug 2014 09:18:25 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
> >> I had a gnome-gdesklet clock app running on my old FC14 desktop box,
> >> gave a clock described as 'WWII RAF squadron wall clock'. There is a
> >> port of gnome-gdesklets clock (*gdesklets-clock-0.32_14
> >> <http://svnweb.FreeBSD.org/ports/head/x11-clocks/gdesklets-clock>) *..=
=2E.
> >> I am looking for something similar for the XFCE desktop, i.e. simple
> >> largish analog clock desktop app, *no* gnome/KDE/etc. .... anyone know
> >> if there is one available ?
> > How about the classic, xclock? Or oclock?
> >
> >> I am searching ports on FreeBSD.org as I
> >> write this, but w/ 24K+ entries, it could be a while :-/ .... Can anyo=
ne
> >> save me some time here :-) ???? TIA
> > See /usr/ports/x11-clocks/oclock for more inspiration, there
> > are several clocks in this category which do not require you
> > to install a whole desktop environment just to see what time
> > it is. :-)
> >
> > Additionally to xclock, I'm also using intclock to check the
> > time in other places of the world relevant for me.
>=20
> oclock available as pkg, just installed it, usable for now, still pining=
=20
> for my RAF clock :-/ .... Thx ....

There is even a separate ports category just for X11 clocks:

# ls /usr/ports/x11-clocks/
Makefile                       gdesklets-ebichuclock/         t3d/
abclock/                       glclock/                       tclock/
aclock/                        gtubeclock/                    tktz/
alarm-clock/                   intclock/                      wmbday/
alltraxclock/                  kdetoys4/                      wmbinclock/
amor/                          kteatime/                      wmblueclock/
asclock/                       ktimer/                        wmcalclock/
asclock-gtk/                   ktux/                          wmclock/
asclock-xlib/                  lmclock/                       wmclockmon/
astime/                        mlclock/                       wmfishtime/
astzclock/                     mouseclock/                    wmfuzzy/
bbdate/                        oclock/                        wmtime/
bclock/                        osdclock/                      wmtimer/
buici-clock/                   pclock/                        xalarm/
cairo-clock/                   plasma-applet-adjustableclock/ xclock/
dclock/                        plasma-applet-geekclock/       xdaliclock/
emiclock/                      rclock/                        xfce4-datetim=
e-plugin/
eyeclock/                      sanduhr/                       xfce4-timer-o=
ut-plugin/
gdesklets-clock/               stopwatch/                     xfce4-timer-p=
lugin/
gdesklets-countdown/           swisswatch/                    xtimer/

E.g. cairo-clock is themable; http://gnome-look.org/?xcontentmode=3D186


Take your pick. :-)

Roland
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On 08/18/14 13:13, Roland Smith wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 09:38:38AM -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>> On 08/18/14 09:21, Polytropon wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Aug 2014 09:18:25 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>>>> I had a gnome-gdesklet clock app running on my old FC14 desktop box,
>>>> gave a clock described as 'WWII RAF squadron wall clock'. There is a
>>>> port of gnome-gdesklets clock (*gdesklets-clock-0.32_14
>>>> <http://svnweb.FreeBSD.org/ports/head/x11-clocks/gdesklets-clock>) *....
>>>> I am looking for something similar for the XFCE desktop, i.e. simple
>>>> largish analog clock desktop app, *no* gnome/KDE/etc. .... anyone know
>>>> if there is one available ?
>>> How about the classic, xclock? Or oclock?
>>>
>>>> I am searching ports on FreeBSD.org as I
>>>> write this, but w/ 24K+ entries, it could be a while :-/ .... Can anyone
>>>> save me some time here :-) ???? TIA
>>> See /usr/ports/x11-clocks/oclock for more inspiration, there
>>> are several clocks in this category which do not require you
>>> to install a whole desktop environment just to see what time
>>> it is. :-)
>>>
>>> Additionally to xclock, I'm also using intclock to check the
>>> time in other places of the world relevant for me.
>> oclock available as pkg, just installed it, usable for now, still pining
>> for my RAF clock :-/ .... Thx ....
> There is even a separate ports category just for X11 clocks:
>
> # ls /usr/ports/x11-clocks/
> Makefile                       gdesklets-ebichuclock/         t3d/
> abclock/                       glclock/                       tclock/
> aclock/                        gtubeclock/                    tktz/
> alarm-clock/                   intclock/                      wmbday/
> alltraxclock/                  kdetoys4/                      wmbinclock/
> amor/                          kteatime/                      wmblueclock/
> asclock/                       ktimer/                        wmcalclock/
> asclock-gtk/                   ktux/                          wmclock/
> asclock-xlib/                  lmclock/                       wmclockmon/
> astime/                        mlclock/                       wmfishtime/
> astzclock/                     mouseclock/                    wmfuzzy/
> bbdate/                        oclock/                        wmtime/
> bclock/                        osdclock/                      wmtimer/
> buici-clock/                   pclock/                        xalarm/
> cairo-clock/                   plasma-applet-adjustableclock/ xclock/
> dclock/                        plasma-applet-geekclock/       xdaliclock/
> emiclock/                      rclock/                        xfce4-datetime-plugin/
> eyeclock/                      sanduhr/                       xfce4-timer-out-plugin/
> gdesklets-clock/               stopwatch/                     xfce4-timer-plugin/
> gdesklets-countdown/           swisswatch/                    xtimer/
>
> E.g. cairo-clock is themable; http://gnome-look.org/?xcontentmode=186
>
>
> Take your pick. :-)
>
> Roland


Yeah I was looking through that, but I couldn't glean enough from the 
descriptions to decide to try any of them, was hoping someone would 
provide an experiential short-cut :-) ....


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under earlier FireFox versions, you could set cookie policy under the 
edit->preferences dialog, not so now (FF31, FreeBSD 9.3) .... I also 
looked through about:config for anything cookie I could deactivate, 
found little .... How do I set my desired cookie policy under new FF31 ? 
TIA ....


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Sudo behaves as if the default timeout in sudoers was set to -1.
Out of 5 FreeBSD9 systems, this one system exhibits this
behavior while all the others time out like they should. Setting
the value to 0 should cause one to always have to enter a
password, but not on this system.
	Has anyone ever seen this before? The sudoers file is a
copy of the same sudoers file we use on the other machines. I
have also tried sudo from a few other user ID's on the system
and see the same behavior.
Thank you.

Martin McCormick

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On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 03:53:32PM -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
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> edit->preferences dialog, not so now (FF31, FreeBSD 9.3) .... I also=20
> looked through about:config for anything cookie I could deactivate,=20
> found little .... How do I set my desired cookie policy under new FF31 ?=
=20
> TIA ....

It's still in the preferences window, on the =E2=80=9Cprivacy=E2=80=9D tab.

But in recent Firefox versions all menus are on a pane hidden hidden under a
button on the far right side of the URL bar.

The picture on the button is three horizontal stripes. Press is and you'll =
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Hi John,

Thanks for the quick answer.

I want to use dual boot to first getting familiar and in the long term =
switch to FreeBSD as the only operating system.

I mentioned bootcamp because most of the tutorial I found so far =
recommend to create a bootcamp partition on which FreeBSD is install. =
Also from what I read using bootcamp creates a hybrid MBR. I wish there =
were a solution to run FreeBSD on dual boot with a GPT partition table.

On one of my tentatives I also tried to use a BSD partition on which I =
created two logical partitions (UFS and swap) but that did not work =
either.=20

Does anyone have an idea on how I can proceed?

Thanks,
Fred

Le 2014-08-17 =E0 08:42, John Howie <john@thehowies.com> a =E9crit :

> Hi Fred,
>=20
> You may have a particular reason for a dual-boot configuration but, if =
you do not, can I recommend running FreeBSD in a virtual machine =
instead? It works very well.
>=20
> Bootcamp is designed for Windows so I am not surprised you are having =
issues, there.
>=20
> Regards,
>=20
> John
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
>> On Aug 16, 2014, at 17:02, "Fred" <wade-is-great@live.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> Hi everyone!
>>=20
>> I am trying to install FreeBSD on my Macbook pro early 2011 in dual =
boot with OS X Mavericks but so far I could not boot on it once the =
installation is complete.
>>=20
>> Computer specs: =
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/specs/macbook-pro-core-i=
7-2.3-17-early-2011-unibody-thunderbolt-specs.html
>>=20
>> I tried using the gpart command, blessing the partition, using gdisk =
to create an hybrid MBR, but so far nothing has worked.
>>=20
>> Here's what I tried:
>> =
http://phosphor-escence.blogspot.ca/2012/01/dual-boot-pc-bsd-90-and-os-x-l=
ion-on.html
>> https://glenbarber.us/2011/11/12/Dual-Booting-OS-X-and-FreeBSD-9.html
>> I also looked in the mailing lists, and the FreeBSD forums, but I =
could not find any solutions.
>>=20
>> Now on latest versions of OS X Bootcamp (Mountain Lion, Mavericks) I =
cannot create a partition without having a Windows disk, and I also =
tried using Bootcamp under Snow Leopard.
>>=20
>> Regarding the errors I have after the installation, it's either =
"can't load kernel" or "Missing bootloader", with or without hybrid MBR. =
The partition table is GPT, and the system uses a EFI boot manager.
>>=20
>> Thanks in advance for any answer to my problem.
>>=20
>> Cheers,
>> Fred
>>=20
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On 08/18/14 17:12, Roland Smith wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 03:53:32PM -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>>
>> under earlier FireFox versions, you could set cookie policy under the
>> edit->preferences dialog, not so now (FF31, FreeBSD 9.3) .... I also
>> looked through about:config for anything cookie I could deactivate,
>> found little .... How do I set my desired cookie policy under new FF31 ?
>> TIA ....
> It's still in the preferences window, on the “privacy” tab.
>
> But in recent Firefox versions all menus are on a pane hidden hidden under a
> button on the far right side of the URL bar.
>
> The picture on the button is three horizontal stripes. Press is and you'll see
> a pane with icons, one of which is “Preferences”.
>
>
> Roland

I have the edit->preferences dialog open as I write this, looking at the 
privacy tab, & nothing there, except the text that 'firefox will 
remember cookies for sites that you visit' which is *not* a link, not 
editable, apparently a statement of fact for you to accept .... I'll 
look at the other one momentarily ....

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On 08/18/14 17:12, Roland Smith wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 03:53:32PM -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>>
>> under earlier FireFox versions, you could set cookie policy under the
>> edit->preferences dialog, not so now (FF31, FreeBSD 9.3) .... I also
>> looked through about:config for anything cookie I could deactivate,
>> found little .... How do I set my desired cookie policy under new FF31 ?
>> TIA ....
> It's still in the preferences window, on the “privacy” tab.
>
> But in recent Firefox versions all menus are on a pane hidden hidden under a
> button on the far right side of the URL bar.
>
> The picture on the button is three horizontal stripes. Press is and you'll see
> a pane with icons, one of which is “Preferences”.
>
>
> Roland

just looked, same dialog .... FF31, FreeBSD 9.3 ....

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Dear Martin,
--------------------------------------------
From: Martin G. McCormick <martin@server1.shellworld.net>
Sent:  Mon, 18 Aug 2014 16:07:21 -0500
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: What Would Make Sudo Always Let one Execute a Command?
>
> Sudo behaves as if the default timeout in sudoers was set to -1.
> Out of 5 FreeBSD9 systems, this one system exhibits this
> behavior while all the others time out like they should. Setting
> the value to 0 should cause one to always have to enter a
> password, but not on this system.
> 	Has anyone ever seen this before? The sudoers file is a
> copy of the same sudoers file we use on the other machines. I
> have also tried sudo from a few other user ID's on the system
> and see the same behavior.

First, have you read Michael W. Lucas' book (if you haven't already):
https://www.michaelwlucas.com/nonfiction/sudo-mastery

Secondly, maybe you can add the user to a group so sudo is not needed for your
command.

Next, are you sure your sudo file doesn't have this uncommented:
# %wheel ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL

> Thank you.
> 
> Martin McCormick


 
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On 2014-08-17, dbc wrote:
>Hello,
>
>
>
>I have a new laptop which I'm well sick of having to run linux on. Is there
>a way to encourage someone to write a driver for intel 7260 wifi card?
>
>I am a C programmer, and I would be willing to volunteer time, but I don't
>know how useful I will be with neither driver writing nor wifi protocol nor
>FreeBSD development process experience. Still, if anyone would point me in
>the right direction I would happily give it a shot. Where can this stuff be
>learnt? I also see that linux drivers exist, but I'm not sure about legal
>problems when copying from those.
>
>Or, while I probably couldn't afford to fund it entirely myself, is there a
>way I could chip into a pot to help fund someone with more experience to at
>least make a start on it?
>
>
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Daniel Collins
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I am also an Intel 7260 owner who would like to do whatever I can to
help the development of support for said device plus the i915 and
any other Intel Haswell stuff. My main motivating factor is having
bought a Lenovo Thinkpad T440 before realizing I want to make the full
switch to FreeBSD from Linux. I'm not much of a
programmer, but would love to know what I can do to as far as testing, bug
reports, etc. so I can chip in with driver development. I have a copy of
the handbook and am subscribed to the freebsd-drivers list, but any
additional tips for someone like me would me most welcome.

-Brendan Desmond

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Look for an extension that will handle your preferences in this area.

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2014 19:31:21 -0400, Brendan Desmond stated:

>On 2014-08-17, dbc wrote:

>>I have a new laptop which I'm well sick of having to run linux on. Is the=
re
>>a way to encourage someone to write a driver for intel 7260 wifi card?
>>
>>I am a C programmer, and I would be willing to volunteer time, but I don't
>>know how useful I will be with neither driver writing nor wifi protocol n=
or
>>FreeBSD development process experience. Still, if anyone would point me in
>>the right direction I would happily give it a shot. Where can this stuff =
be
>>learnt? I also see that linux drivers exist, but I'm not sure about legal
>>problems when copying from those.
>>
>>Or, while I probably couldn't afford to fund it entirely myself, is there=
 a
>>way I could chip into a pot to help fund someone with more experience to =
at
>>least make a start on it?

You are going to need more than just drivers. There is a virtual cornucopia=
 of
new standards being released either now or within the near future. It tool
FreBSD nearly 10 years to support the "n" standard. It boggles the mind how
long it will be before they are able to support the newer protocols.

IEEE 802.11ac

IEEE 802.11ac-2013 is an amendment to IEEE 802.11, published in December
2013, that builds on 802.11n. Changes compared to 802.11n include wider
channels (80 or 160 MHz versus 40 MHz) in the 5 GHz band, more spatial
streams (up to eight versus four), higher order modulation (up to 256-QAM v=
s.
64-QAM), and the addition of Multi-user MIMO (MU-MIMO). As of October 2013,
high-end implementations support 80 MHz channels, three spatial streams, and
256-QAM, yielding a data rate of up to 433.3 Mbit/s per spatial stream, 1300
Mbit/s total, in 80 MHz channels in the 5 GHz band. Vendors have
announced plans to release so-called "Wave 2" devices with support for 160
MHz channels, four spatial streams, and MU-MIMO in 2014 and 2015.[20][21][2=
2]

IEEE 802.11ad

IEEE 802.11ad is an amendment that defines a new physical layer for 802.11
networks to operate in the 60 GHz millimeter wave spectrum. This frequency
band has significantly different propagation characteristics than the 2.4 G=
Hz
and 5 GHz bands where Wi-Fi networks operate. Products implementing the
802.11ad standard are being brought to market under the WiGig brand name. T=
he
certification program is now being developed by the Wi-Fi Alliance instead =
of
the now defunct WiGig Alliance. The peak transmission rate of 802.11ad is
7Gbit/s.

IEEE 802.11af

IEEE 802.11af, also referred to as "White-Fi" and "Super Wi-Fi", is an
amendment, approved in February 2014, that allows WLAN operation in TV white
space spectrum in the VHF and UHF bands between 54 and 790 MHz. It
uses cognitive radio technology to transmit on unused TV channels, with the
standard taking measures to limit interference for primary users, such as
analog TV, digital TV, and wireless microphones. Access points and
stations determine their position using a satellite positioning system such
as GPS and use the Internet to query a geolocation database (GDB) provided =
by
a regional regulatory agency to discover what frequency channels are
available for use at a given time and position. The physical layer uses
OFDM and is based on 802.11ac. The propagation path loss as well as the
attenuation by materials such as brick and concrete is lower in the UHF and
VHF bands than in the 2.4 and 5 GHz bands, which increases the possible
range. The frequency channels are 6 to 8 MHz wide, depending on the
regulatory domain. Up to four channels may be bonded in either one or two
contiguous blocks. MIMO operation is possible with up to four streams
used for either space=E2=80=93time block code (STBC) or multi-user (MU) ope=
ration.
The achievable data rate per spatial stream is 26.7 Mbit/s for 6 and 7 MHz
channels and 35.6 Mbit/s for 8 MHz channels. With four spatial streams
and four bonded channels, the maximum data rate is 426.7 Mbit/s for 6 and 7
MHz channels and 568.9 Mbit/s for 8 MHz channels.

IEEE 802.11ah

IEEE 802.11ah defines a WLAN system operating at sub 1 GHz license-exempt
bands, with final approval slated for March 2016. Due to the favorable
propagation characteristics of the low frequency spectra, 802.11ah can
provide improved transmission range compared with the conventional 802.11
WLANs operating in the 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz bands. 802.11ah can be used for
various purposes including large scale sensor networks, extended range
hotspot, and outdoor Wi-Fi for cellular traffic offloading, whereas the
available bandwidth is relatively narrow.

IEEE 802.11ai

IEEE 802.11ai is an amendment to the 802.11 standard which will add new
mechanisms for a faster initial link setup time.

IEEE 802.11aj

IEEE 802.11aj is a rebanding of 802.11ad for use in the 45 GHz unlicensed
spectrum available in some regions of the world (specifically China).

IEEE 802.11aq

IEEE 802.11aq is an amendment to the 802.11 standard which will enable
pre-association discovery of services. This extends some of the mechanisms =
in
802.11u that enabled device discovery to further discover the services
running on a device, or provided by a network.

IEEE 802.11ax

IEEE 802.11ax is the successor to 802.11ac and will increase the efficiency
of WLAN networks. Currently at a very early stage of development this proje=
ct
has the goal of providing 4x the throughput of 802.11ac

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>> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 03:53:32PM -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wro=
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>>> under earlier FireFox versions, you could set cookie policy under th=
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>>> edit->preferences dialog, not so now (FF31, FreeBSD 9.3) .... I also=

>>> looked through about:config for anything cookie I could deactivate,
>>> found little .... How do I set my desired cookie policy under new FF=
31  =

>>> ?
>>> TIA ....
>> It's still in the preferences window, on the =E2=80=9Cprivacy=E2=80=9D=
 tab.
>>
>> But in recent Firefox versions all menus are on a pane hidden hidden =
 =

>> under a
>> button on the far right side of the URL bar.
>>
>> The picture on the button is three horizontal stripes. Press is and  =

>> you'll see
>> a pane with icons, one of which is =E2=80=9CPreferences=E2=80=9D.
>>
>>
>> Roland
>
> I have the edit->preferences dialog open as I write this, looking at t=
he  =

> privacy tab, & nothing there, except the text that 'firefox will  =

> remember cookies for sites that you visit' which is *not* a link, not =
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> editable, apparently a statement of fact for you to accept .... I'll  =

> look at the other one momentarily ....
>

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/enable-and-disable-cookies-website-=
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Michael

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*Boooooyah* !!!! that did it .... Why hide those options like that ?!?!?!


On 08/18/14 18:59, Michael Ross wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2014 01:25:50 +0200, William A. Mahaffey III 
> <wam@hiwaay.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 08/18/14 17:12, Roland Smith wrote:
>>> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 03:53:32PM -0500, William A. Mahaffey III 
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> under earlier FireFox versions, you could set cookie policy under the
>>>> edit->preferences dialog, not so now (FF31, FreeBSD 9.3) .... I also
>>>> looked through about:config for anything cookie I could deactivate,
>>>> found little .... How do I set my desired cookie policy under new 
>>>> FF31 ?
>>>> TIA ....
>>> It's still in the preferences window, on the “privacy” tab.
>>>
>>> But in recent Firefox versions all menus are on a pane hidden hidden 
>>> under a
>>> button on the far right side of the URL bar.
>>>
>>> The picture on the button is three horizontal stripes. Press is and 
>>> you'll see
>>> a pane with icons, one of which is “Preferences”.
>>>
>>>
>>> Roland
>>
>> I have the edit->preferences dialog open as I write this, looking at 
>> the privacy tab, & nothing there, except the text that 'firefox will 
>> remember cookies for sites that you visit' which is *not* a link, not 
>> editable, apparently a statement of fact for you to accept .... I'll 
>> look at the other one momentarily ....
>>
>
> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/enable-and-disable-cookies-website-preferences 
>
>
>
>
> Michael
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On 18/08/2014 20:28, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>
> On 08/18/14 13:13, Roland Smith wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 09:38:38AM -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>>> On 08/18/14 09:21, Polytropon wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 18 Aug 2014 09:18:25 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>>>>> I had a gnome-gdesklet clock app running on my old FC14 desktop box,
>>>>> gave a clock described as 'WWII RAF squadron wall clock'. There is a
>>>>> port of gnome-gdesklets clock (*gdesklets-clock-0.32_14
>>>>> <http://svnweb.FreeBSD.org/ports/head/x11-clocks/gdesklets-clock>) 
>>>>> *....
>>>>> I am looking for something similar for the XFCE desktop, i.e. simple
>>>>> largish analog clock desktop app, *no* gnome/KDE/etc. .... anyone 
>>>>> know
>>>>> if there is one available ?
>>>> How about the classic, xclock? Or oclock?
>>>>
>>>>> I am searching ports on FreeBSD.org as I
>>>>> write this, but w/ 24K+ entries, it could be a while :-/ .... Can 
>>>>> anyone
>>>>> save me some time here :-) ???? TIA
>>>> See /usr/ports/x11-clocks/oclock for more inspiration, there
>>>> are several clocks in this category which do not require you
>>>> to install a whole desktop environment just to see what time
>>>> it is. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Additionally to xclock, I'm also using intclock to check the
>>>> time in other places of the world relevant for me.
>>> oclock available as pkg, just installed it, usable for now, still 
>>> pining
>>> for my RAF clock :-/ .... Thx ....
>> There is even a separate ports category just for X11 clocks:
>>
>> # ls /usr/ports/x11-clocks/
>> Makefile                       gdesklets-ebichuclock/ t3d/
>> abclock/                       glclock/ tclock/
>> aclock/                        gtubeclock/ tktz/
>> alarm-clock/                   intclock/ wmbday/
>> alltraxclock/                  kdetoys4/ wmbinclock/
>> amor/                          kteatime/ wmblueclock/
>> asclock/                       ktimer/ wmcalclock/
>> asclock-gtk/                   ktux/ wmclock/
>> asclock-xlib/                  lmclock/ wmclockmon/
>> astime/                        mlclock/ wmfishtime/
>> astzclock/                     mouseclock/ wmfuzzy/
>> bbdate/                        oclock/ wmtime/
>> bclock/                        osdclock/ wmtimer/
>> buici-clock/                   pclock/ xalarm/
>> cairo-clock/                   plasma-applet-adjustableclock/ xclock/
>> dclock/                        plasma-applet-geekclock/ xdaliclock/
>> emiclock/                      rclock/ xfce4-datetime-plugin/
>> eyeclock/                      sanduhr/ xfce4-timer-out-plugin/
>> gdesklets-clock/               stopwatch/ xfce4-timer-plugin/
>> gdesklets-countdown/           swisswatch/ xtimer/
>>
>> E.g. cairo-clock is themable; http://gnome-look.org/?xcontentmode=186
>>
>>
>> Take your pick. :-)
>>
>> Roland
>
>
> Yeah I was looking through that, but I couldn't glean enough from the 
> descriptions to decide to try any of them, was hoping someone would 
> provide an experiential short-cut :-) ....
>
>

I use xclock in my fvwm2 WM and always have done. I have it contained in 
fvwmbuttons as a digital clock and in another instance as an analog 
clock. I like it's simplicity yet it can be used within a more complex 
arrangement as well.

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2014 19:57:48 -0400
Jerry <jerry@seibercom.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Aug 2014 19:31:21 -0400, Brendan Desmond stated:
> 
> >On 2014-08-17, dbc wrote:
> 
> >>I have a new laptop which I'm well sick of having to run linux on.
> >>Is there a way to encourage someone to write a driver for intel
> >>7260 wifi card?
> >>
> >>I am a C programmer, and I would be willing to volunteer time, but
> >>I don't know how useful I will be with neither driver writing nor
> >>wifi protocol nor FreeBSD development process experience. Still, if
> >>anyone would point me in the right direction I would happily give
> >>it a shot. Where can this stuff be learnt? I also see that linux
> >>drivers exist, but I'm not sure about legal problems when copying
> >>from those.
> >>
> >>Or, while I probably couldn't afford to fund it entirely myself, is
> >>there a way I could chip into a pot to help fund someone with more
> >>experience to at least make a start on it?
> 
> You are going to need more than just drivers. There is a virtual
> cornucopia of new standards being released either now or within the
> near future. It tool FreBSD nearly 10 years to support the "n"
> standard. It boggles the mind how long it will be before they are
> able to support the newer protocols.
> 
> IEEE 802.11ac
> 
> IEEE 802.11ac-2013 is an amendment to IEEE 802.11, published in
> December 2013, that builds on 802.11n. Changes compared to 802.11n
> include wider channels (80 or 160 MHz versus 40 MHz) in the 5 GHz
> band, more spatial streams (up to eight versus four), higher order
> modulation (up to 256-QAM vs. 64-QAM), and the addition of Multi-user
> MIMO (MU-MIMO). As of October 2013, high-end implementations support
> 80 MHz channels, three spatial streams, and 256-QAM, yielding a data
> rate of up to 433.3 Mbit/s per spatial stream, 1300 Mbit/s total, in
> 80 MHz channels in the 5 GHz band. Vendors have announced plans to
> release so-called "Wave 2" devices with support for 160 MHz channels,
> four spatial streams, and MU-MIMO in 2014 and 2015.[20][21][22]

All this description is hardware and managed by hardware. The driver configures the hardware, gets data from it to kernel space and send data to it from kernel space, as each hardware has its own configuration and does data exchange different, you need a driver for each hardware. Sometimes, hardware made from the same vendor can share the same driver, but it's not a rule.

Except for ciphers, autentication, etc.. the same applies for/with/to the rest of your descriptions, some of them still in development.

> IEEE 802.11ad

> IEEE 802.11af
 
> IEEE 802.11ah
 
> IEEE 802.11ai

> IEEE 802.11aj

> IEEE 802.11aq

> IEEE 802.11ax

> -- 
> Jerry


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On Tue, 19 Aug 2014 10:16:20 +0200, Eduardo Morras stated:

>All this description is hardware and managed by hardware. The driver
>configures the hardware, gets data from it to kernel space and send data to
>it from kernel space, as each hardware has its own configuration and does
>data exchange different, you need a driver for each hardware. Sometimes,
>hardware made from the same vendor can share the same driver, but it's not=
 a
>rule.

Yes, you need the driver to make use of the hardware. Considering it took
nearly 10 years to get FreeBSD to support some, but not all "n" base
hardware when the choices where far smaller, how long will it take for it to
support, even partially the newer, more advanced ones.

I gave up years ago attempting to use FreeBSD for my wireless machines. I
absolutely refuse to be held hostage to obsolete technology. That does point
up an interesting fact that I read recently regarding various OS's, hardwar=
e,
etcetera. The FOSS has for years accused Microsoft of "lock-in", yet, by the
inability of the FOSS to develop drivers for newer hardware on a timely
basis, they are creating their own "lock-in" environment.

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On Aug 19, 2014, at 4:16, Eduardo Morras <emorrasg@yahoo.es> wrote:

> All this description is hardware and managed by hardware.

I would be shocked if all of the requirements of IEEE 802.11af are =
handled in the hardware! Go back and actually read and understand that =
specification. I do not expect the hardware to be querying a geolocation =
database (often multiple databases) and acting accordingly.

I have been watching this specific bit of spectrum from the Wireless =
Microphone / FCC side for a decade now. If systems start coming into use =
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these specific frequencies are in use by lots of other users besides =
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On 17/08/2014 09:53, Roland Smith wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 03:24:27PM +1000, dbc wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have a new laptop which I'm well sick of having to run linux on. Is there
>> a way to encourage someone to write a driver for intel 7260 wifi card?
>
> You might want to ask on the freebsd-wireless list. But I think Cedric Gross
> is working on it.
>
>> I am a C programmer, and I would be willing to volunteer time, but I don't
>> know how useful I will be with neither driver writing nor wifi protocol nor
>> FreeBSD development process experience. Still, if anyone would point me in
>> the right direction I would happily give it a shot. Where can this stuff be
>> learnt? I also see that linux drivers exist, but I'm not sure about legal
>> problems when copying from those.
>
> There is a github repo; https://github.com/KreizIT/FreeBSD-IWN
>
> The Linux and FreeBSD kernels are quite different internally. So just copying
> code would be useless.
>
> And Linux kernel code is under the GPL, which AFAIK is not acceptable in the
> FreeBSD base system.
>
> What is usually done is study how the Linux driver works, and re-implement it
> in the way FreeBSD drivers are written. You can study existing drivers as
> references. You should consider joining the freebsd-hackers list if you start
> working on FreeBSD code.
>
> The standard book about the internals of FreeBSD is;
>
>      Marshall Kirk McKusick, George V. Neville-Neil
>      The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System.
>      Boston, Mass. : Addison-Wesley, 2004. ISBN 0-201-70245-2

I would add this book specifically about FBSD device drivers

http://www.nostarch.com/bsddrivers.htm

> Marshall Kirk McKusick teaches courses about the internals of FreeBSD. IIRC
> you can order videos of them online.
>
> See also
> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/bibliography-osinternals.html
>
>> Or, while I probably couldn't afford to fund it entirely myself, is there a
>> way I could chip into a pot to help fund someone with more experience to at
>> least make a start on it?
>
> You can always make a donation; https://www.freebsd.org/donations/
>
> Roland
>


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On 18/08/2014 15:18, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>
> I had a gnome-gdesklet clock app running on my old FC14 desktop box,
> gave a clock described as 'WWII RAF squadron wall clock'. There is a
> port of gnome-gdesklets clock (*gdesklets-clock-0.32_14
> <http://svnweb.FreeBSD.org/ports/head/x11-clocks/gdesklets-clock>) *....
> I am looking for something similar for the XFCE desktop, i.e. simple
> largish analog clock desktop app, *no* gnome/KDE/etc. .... anyone know
> if there is one available ? I am searching ports on FreeBSD.org as I
> write this, but w/ 24K+ entries, it could be a while :-/ .... Can anyone
> save me some time here :-) ???? TIA

It won't satisfy your "largish" criterion but the XFCE panel has a clock 
item that has various forms including analogue.

Right click on the panel, select "Add new items" and look for "Clock".

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Hello,

#uname -a

FreeBSD freebsd-tmpl 10.0-STABLE FreeBSD 10.0-STABLE #0 r270138: Tue Aug 19
15:33:27 CEST 2014
root@freebsd-tmpl:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BSDTMPL2014081902
amd64

The kernel was compiled with:

options         IPFILTER
options         IPFILTER_LOG
options         IPFILTER_LOOKUP
options         IPFILTER_DEFAULT_BLOCK

Here is the ipfilter ruleset:

# ipfstat -in

@1 pass in quick on lo0 from any to any
@2 block in quick on vmx0 from any to any with frag
@3 block in quick on vmx0 proto tcp from any to any with short
@4 block in quick on vmx0 inet from any to any with opt lsrr
@5 block in quick on vmx0 inet from any to any with opt ssrr
@6 block in log first quick on vmx0 proto tcp from any to any flags
FPU/FSRPAU
@7 block in quick on vmx0 from any to any with ipopts
@8 pass in quick on vmx0 inet proto tcp from 192.168.60.0/24 to
192.168.60.1/32 port = ssh flags S/FSRPAU keep state
@9 pass in quick on vmx0 inet proto icmp from 192.168.60.0/24 to
192.168.60.1/32 icmp-type echo keep state
@10 block in log quick on vmx0 all

# ipfstat -on

@1 pass out quick on lo0 from any to any
@2 pass out quick on vmx0 proto tcp from any to any port = domain flags
S/FSRPAU keep state
@3 pass out quick on vmx0 proto udp from any to any port = domain keep state
@4 pass out quick on vmx0 proto udp from any to any port = ntp keep state
@5 pass out quick on vmx0 inet proto icmp from any to any icmp-type echo
keep state
@6 block out log quick on vmx0 all

I can ssh to the box (.1) from 192.168.60.0/24 but there is a noticeable
delay (couple of seconds) if I run tail or less on any log file. At the
same time, I see the following blocked from the ipfilter logs:

Aug 19 17:37:26 freebsd-tmpl ipmon[410]: 17:37:26.817761 vmx0 @0:12 b
192.168.60.1,22 -> 192.168.60.21,64962 PR tcp len 20 1532 -AP OUT bad
Aug 19 17:37:26 freebsd-tmpl ipmon[410]: 17:37:26.817966 vmx0 @0:12 b
192.168.60.1,22 -> 192.168.60.21,64962 PR tcp len 20 1616 -AP OUT bad

If I add a rule allowing all traffic from .1 to 192.168.60.0/24 everything
is working fine, so I get an impression something is wrong with "flags
S/FSRPAU keep state".

Any hints would be greatly appreciated!

PS: I don't know whether it'll help, but this is a VMXNET3 adapter, so I
gooogled to disable RXCSUM and TXCSUM however it didn't help.

# ifconfig -m

vmx0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 1500
options=39b<RXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU,VLAN_HWTAGGING,VLAN_HWCSUM,TSO4,TSO6>
capabilities=61079b<RXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU,VLAN_HWTAGGING,VLAN_HWCSUM,TSO4,TSO6,LRO,VLAN_HWFILTER,RXCSUM_IPV6,TXCSUM_IPV6>
        ether 00:50:56:8a:17:21
        inet 192.168.60.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.60.255
        media: Ethernet autoselect
        status: active
        supported media:
                media autoselect

Thank you very much.

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Hi,

I'm seeing these errors in my logs:


  WARNING:  Kernel Errors Present
     (ada1:ahcich1:0:0:0): ATA status: 51 (DRDY SERV ERR), error: 04 (ABRT ) ...:  1 Time(s)
     (ada1:ahcich1:0:0:0): CAM status: ATA Status Error ...:  1 Time(s)
  
  1 Time(s): (ada1:ahcich1:0:0:0): DSM TRIM. ACB: 06 01 00 00 00 40 00 00 00 00 01 00
  1 Time(s): (ada1:ahcich1:0:0:0): RES: 51 04 01 00 00 e0 00 00 00 00 00
  1 Time(s): (ada1:ahcich1:0:0:0): Retrying command


  WARNING:  Kernel Errors Present
     (ada1:ahcich1:0:0:0): ATA status: 51 (DRDY SERV ERR), error: 04 (ABRT ) ...:  3 Time(s)
     (ada1:ahcich1:0:0:0): CAM status: ATA Status Error ...:  3 Time(s)
  
  3 Time(s): (ada1:ahcich1:0:0:0): DSM TRIM. ACB: 06 01 00 00 00 40 00 00 00 00 01 00
  3 Time(s): (ada1:ahcich1:0:0:0): RES: 51 04 01 00 00 e0 00 00 00 00 00
  3 Time(s): (ada1:ahcich1:0:0:0): Retrying command


  WARNING:  Kernel Errors Present
     (da0:mps0:0:8:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error ...:  4 Time(s)
     (da0:mps0:0:8:0): Error 5, Unretryable e ...:  4 Time(s)
     (da0:mps0:0:8:0): SCSI sense: MEDIUM ERROR asc:11,0 (Unrecovered read error) ...:  4 Time(s)
     (da1:mps0:0:10:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error ...:  8 Time(s)
     (da1:mps0:0:10:0): Error 5, Unretryable e ...:  8 Time(s)
     (da1:mps0:0:10:0): SCSI sense: MEDIUM ERROR asc:11,0 (Unrecovered read error) ...:  8 Time(s)
  
  4 Time(s): (da0:mps0:0:8:0): Info: 0x210
  1 Time(s): (da0:mps0:0:8:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 e8 e0 84 10 00 00 10 00 length 8192 SMID 929 terminated ioc 804b scsi 0 state 0 xfer 0
  1 Time(s): (da0:mps0:0:8:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 e8 e0 84 10 00 00 10 00 length 8192 SMID 930 terminated ioc 804b scsi 0 state 0 xfer 0
  4 Time(s): (da0:mps0:0:8:0): READ(6). CDB: 08 00 02 10 10 00
  4 Time(s): (da0:mps0:0:8:0): SCSI status: Check Condition
  4 Time(s): (da1:mps0:0:10:0): Info: 0x210
  4 Time(s): (da1:mps0:0:10:0): Info: 0xe8e08618
  1 Time(s): (da1:mps0:0:10:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 e8 e0 84 10 00 00 10 00 length 8192 SMID 781 terminated ioc 804b scsi 0 state 0 xfer 0
  1 Time(s): (da1:mps0:0:10:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 e8 e0 84 10 00 00 10 00 length 8192 SMID 782 terminated ioc 804b scsi 0 state 0 xfer 0
  1 Time(s): (da1:mps0:0:10:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 e8 e0 84 10 00 00 10 00 length 8192 SMID 784 terminated ioc 804b scsi 0 state 0 xfer 0
  1 Time(s): (da1:mps0:0:10:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 e8 e0 84 10 00 00 10 00 length 8192 SMID 785 terminated ioc 804b scsi 0 state 0 xfer 0
  4 Time(s): (da1:mps0:0:10:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 e8 e0 86 10 00 00 10 00
  1 Time(s): (da1:mps0:0:10:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 e8 e0 86 10 00 00 10 00 length 8192 SMID 952 terminated ioc 804b scsi 0 state 0 xfer 0
  1 Time(s): (da1:mps0:0:10:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 e8 e0 86 10 00 00 10 00 length 8192 SMID 953 terminated ioc 804b scsi 0 state 0 xfer 0
  4 Time(s): (da1:mps0:0:10:0): READ(6). CDB: 08 00 02 10 10 00
  1 Time(s): (da1:mps0:0:10:0): READ(6). CDB: 08 00 02 10 10 00 length 8192 SMID 780 terminated ioc 804b scsi 0 state 0 xfer 0
  1 Time(s): (da1:mps0:0:10:0): READ(6). CDB: 08 00 02 10 10 00 length 8192 SMID 781 terminated ioc 804b scsi 0 state 0 xfer 0
  8 Time(s): (da1:mps0:0:10:0): SCSI status: Check Condition


In fact after a reboot the system is very slow to actually get to the 
"boot" part and the bios 'select option' screen keeps coming up about 5 
times before the system will actually get to the 'boot' phase; as in 
start from the hard drive.


The actual system board is a SuperMicro server board with the latest 
Xeon E5 cpu, and I'm using an LSI 9207-4i4e HBA.

The LSI has firmware revision 15 on it, and after a bit of research many 
people claimed to have a similar issue; though a firmware update seems 
to have solved most peoples problems. The current firmware for the 
device is revision 19 however, I don't seem to be able to update it??

What is odd though is that the system board is also showing the error as 
the root disks ada0 and ada1 - both with ZFS file system on mirror array 
- are connected directly to the SATA ports on the board.

I'm running FreeBSD 10.0 RELEASE x64.


I attempted to boot from a FreeDOS USB stick created by unetbootin, as 
the stick contained an Arch Linux installer I dd'ed the whole thing to 
Zero before installing FreeDOS onto it.

However, the strange thing is that it doesn't seem to boot from the USB 
stick? It's a 2GB Sandisk Cruzer, which works fine as I installed FBSD 
from it on the same system. I think since there is no boot loader on the 
stick even though the bootable flag is 'on' that it doesn't work.


Has anyone got any experience with this type of issue that can offer 
some advice in either what the issue maybe; the system has been up for a 
few months without any issues and this just started recently. Or how to 
boot from FreeDOS as the .bin file for the firmware of the LSI is 
already copied onto it??


Oh and just before I forget, "zpool status" doesn't show any errors, 
though the main storage pool wasn't able to mount at the first recent 
reboot so the system went into single user "emergency" mode. I had to 
export the pool then reboot, then import it; a scrub was performed which 
took about 29 hours - 10TB on the disks, but reported no issues, also 
disk io speeds seemed good at over 800 ops/sec (considering the drives 
are 2GB 2.5" WD Green). - the root drives are both SSD's.


Many thanks.


Kaya

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:44:19 -0400
Paul Kraus <paul@kraus-haus.org> wrote:

> On Aug 19, 2014, at 4:16, Eduardo Morras <emorrasg@yahoo.es> wrote:
> 
> > All this description is hardware and managed by hardware.
> 
> I would be shocked if all of the requirements of IEEE 802.11af are
> handled in the hardware! Go back and actually read and understand
> that specification. I do not expect the hardware to be querying a
> geolocation database (often multiple databases) and acting
> accordingly.

Not the requirements, but the description writed by Jerry. As I said too:

> >Except for ciphers, autentication, etc.. the same applies for/with/to the rest of your descriptions, some of them still in development. 

There are parts of the standard like autentication, geolocation you cite and other parts that managed by the driver, but those part are mostlyt hardware agnostic and works with minor changes, if any, for all drivers.

The hard part for 802.11n was done by, IIRC, Adrian Chadd and others, new drivers use the infrastructure created by them to not reimplement the wheel.

> I have been watching this specific bit of spectrum from the Wireless
> Microphone / FCC side for a decade now. If systems start coming into
> use that do NOT follow the required procedures there will be hell to
> pay as these specific frequencies are in use by lots of other users
> besides wireless networking.

When I began to use wireless, it was fantastic. Now, all my neighbours has wifi, smartphones, wireless telephones, bluetooth devices etc... and speeds went down to 500-600KB/sec. I wired again my home with gig ethernet. 0 problems.

> 
> --
> Paul Kraus
> paul@kraus-haus.org

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2014, Eduardo Morras wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:44:19 -0400
> Paul Kraus <paul@kraus-haus.org> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 19, 2014, at 4:16, Eduardo Morras <emorrasg@yahoo.es> wrote:
>>
>>> All this description is hardware and managed by hardware.
>>
>> I would be shocked if all of the requirements of IEEE 802.11af are
>> handled in the hardware! Go back and actually read and understand
>> that specification. I do not expect the hardware to be querying a
>> geolocation database (often multiple databases) and acting
>> accordingly.
>
> Not the requirements, but the description writed by Jerry. As I said too:
>
>>> Except for ciphers, autentication, etc.. the same applies for/with/to the rest of your descriptions, some of them still in development.
>
> There are parts of the standard like autentication, geolocation you cite and other parts that managed by the driver, but those part are mostlyt hardware agnostic and works with minor changes, if any, for all drivers.
>
> The hard part for 802.11n was done by, IIRC, Adrian Chadd and others, new drivers use the infrastructure created by them to not reimplement the wheel.
>
>> I have been watching this specific bit of spectrum from the Wireless
>> Microphone / FCC side for a decade now. If systems start coming into
>> use that do NOT follow the required procedures there will be hell to
>> pay as these specific frequencies are in use by lots of other users
>> besides wireless networking.
>
> When I began to use wireless, it was fantastic. Now, all my neighbours has 
> wifi, smartphones, wireless telephones, bluetooth devices etc... and speeds 
> went down to 500-600KB/sec. I wired again my home with gig ethernet. 0 
> problems.
>
The original question was how to, or more to the point, is it possible to get a 
driver for the xyz wifi card. If there is an answer to that (past write it 
dude), it probably will involve back-porting from PC-BSD or finding a way to 
support drivers written for Linux or any BSD that is somewhat more X11-centric.

As an aside, http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ linked to by the handbook and 
PC-BSD support threads remains down.

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El día Tuesday, August 19, 2014 a las 02:21:33PM -0400, doug escribió:

> As an aside, http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ linked to by the handbook and 
> PC-BSD support threads remains down.

This side is down and unlikely will go online again. We are trying to
get at least the data from the folks to bring it up in the new wiki, see
https://wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops/

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how did you proceed? I also have such a device. FreeBSD 10 runs pretty well.=

Did you get the wifi running? Neither the bwn driver nor ndis did it for me.=

But I get it working with a custom ZFS-only setup in a BootCamp partition, h=
aving Mac OS X on the first one.=20

Daniel

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I point a particular application to a 7.x system using a login with 
/nonexistent as the home directory and /sbin/nologin as the shell.

I copied the line from 'vipw' into a new 9.x system, and now when I try to 
connect, the application complains.

I also have securelevel=2 ...

So, did something change with /nonexistent in FreeBSD 9, or does 
securelevel=2 screw this up somehow ??

Thanks.

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Hi all,

I'm encountering an issue with Firefox that I haven't seen before.

When I right-click on an email address on my owncloud site, with the
intent of copying the address to use in mutt (via an ssh session), it
brings up an application dialog. If I hit cancel on the application
dialog, I do not have the option to copy the email address.

Why is Firefox behaving this way under FreeBSD? It hasn't done this on
any other operating system I've used.

Thanks!
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2014 13:35:35 -0700, David Benfell wrote:
> When I right-click on an email address on my owncloud site, with the
> intent of copying the address to use in mutt (via an ssh session), it
> brings up an application dialog. If I hit cancel on the application
> dialog, I do not have the option to copy the email address.

You could try to use the edito buffer presemt in X (and
independent from Firefox and mutt): Select the text with
the left mouse button (or doubleclick at the address, it
should be selected now), then switch focus to the terminal
running mutt, and press the middle mouse button - the
selected text should now appear. Make sure that the cursor
is in the correct input field, usually there is no mouse
support for positioning the cursor prior to output. This
should work for ssh, as it "emulates keystrokes" and therefore
doesn't rely on ^C / ^V buffering.

Note: If you don't have a mouse with three buttons, but
a mouse wheel, press down the wheel. If your mouse has
only two buttons, press both.

I'm using this method regularly to copy text into and out
of different programs and windows. Needless to say, I have
a real 3-button mouse. :-)


-- 
Polytropon
Magdeburg, Germany
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This migh be a stupid request, but if you guys open
https://use.cloudshare.com/test.mvc and then click Technical details does
it keep loading or is it successful?

I'm just seeing it loading even for the HTML5 Canvas and this is happening
on 2 FreeBSD laptops on both Chromium and Firefox, I see some js errors in
the console:

Use of getUserData() or setUserData() is deprecated.  Use WeakMap or
element.dataset instead. requestNotifier.js:63
ReferenceError: u is not defined jquery-migrate-1.1.1.js:268
ReferenceError: u is not defined common.js:35
TypeError: itst.formatTimeLeft is not a function ee.js:12
TypeError: $(...).notificationBar is not a function index.aspx:390


Its working fine on Chorme for Android OSX and Windows so I have no clue
why I'm getting difference results on this machines, I wonder if anyone
else running FreeBSD (10 or current) see's the same. Thanks

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2014, Miguel Clara wrote:

> This migh be a stupid request, but if you guys open
> https://use.cloudshare.com/test.mvc and then click Technical details does
> it keep loading or is it successful?
>
> I'm just seeing it loading even for the HTML5 Canvas and this is happening
> on 2 FreeBSD laptops on both Chromium and Firefox, I see some js errors in
> the console:
>
> Use of getUserData() or setUserData() is deprecated.  Use WeakMap or
> element.dataset instead. requestNotifier.js:63
> ReferenceError: u is not defined jquery-migrate-1.1.1.js:268
> ReferenceError: u is not defined common.js:35
> TypeError: itst.formatTimeLeft is not a function ee.js:12
> TypeError: $(...).notificationBar is not a function index.aspx:390
>
>
> Its working fine on Chorme for Android OSX and Windows so I have no clue
> why I'm getting difference results on this machines, I wonder if anyone
> else running FreeBSD (10 or current) see's the same. Thanks

Shows the same on Firefox here, once I allowed Javascript.  It seems 
pretty Windows-centric, and might really want Java.  Their speed test 
just redirects to Oracle.

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The following is a breakdown of all the low level tests performed. The final
result is shown above. It's ok for some of these tests to fail if the final
result shows that at least one remote access method is available.
RDP Connectivity:	Cancelled	Validation cancelled due to one of
more outdated or missing prerequisites (CloudShare Plugin)
Accelerated RDP Connectivity:	Cancelled	Validation cancelled due to
one of more outdated or missing prerequisites (CloudShare Plugin)
Secure WebSockets Connectivity:	OK	
HTML Canvas:	OK	
Browser & Operating System:	OK	chrome 36.0.1985.143 running on
Windows
RDP Control:	0	
Plug-in:	Not installed	
Test ID:		CSCT559F3377

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Miguel Clara
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:20 PM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Can you please try to open this site in a FreeBSD machine, Chormium
or Firefox?

This migh be a stupid request, but if you guys open
https://use.cloudshare.com/test.mvc and then click Technical details does it
keep loading or is it successful?

I'm just seeing it loading even for the HTML5 Canvas and this is happening
on 2 FreeBSD laptops on both Chromium and Firefox, I see some js errors in
the console:

Use of getUserData() or setUserData() is deprecated.  Use WeakMap or
element.dataset instead. requestNotifier.js:63
ReferenceError: u is not defined jquery-migrate-1.1.1.js:268
ReferenceError: u is not defined common.js:35
TypeError: itst.formatTimeLeft is not a function ee.js:12
TypeError: $(...).notificationBar is not a function index.aspx:390


Its working fine on Chorme for Android OSX and Windows so I have no clue why
I'm getting difference results on this machines, I wonder if anyone else
running FreeBSD (10 or current) see's the same. Thanks
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I noticed "Browser & Operating System: OK chrome 36.0.1985.143 running on

Windows"

Did you run it on windows or are you using and extension to mask the OS?

Thanks




Melhores Cumprimentos // Best Regards
-----------------------------------------------
*Miguel Clara*
*IT - Sys Admin & Developer*
*E-mail:    *miguelmclara@gmail.com
         www.linkedin.com/in/miguelmclara/


On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Daniel Corbe <corbed@ntelos.com> wrote:

>
> The following is a breakdown of all the low level tests performed. The
> final
> result is shown above. It's ok for some of these tests to fail if the final
> result shows that at least one remote access method is available.
> RDP Connectivity:       Cancelled       Validation cancelled due to one of
> more outdated or missing prerequisites (CloudShare Plugin)
> Accelerated RDP Connectivity:   Cancelled       Validation cancelled due to
> one of more outdated or missing prerequisites (CloudShare Plugin)
> Secure WebSockets Connectivity: OK
> HTML Canvas:    OK
> Browser & Operating System:     OK      chrome 36.0.1985.143 running on
> Windows
> RDP Control:    0
> Plug-in:        Not installed
> Test ID:                CSCT559F3377
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Miguel Clara
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:20 PM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Can you please try to open this site in a FreeBSD machine,
> Chormium
> or Firefox?
>
> This migh be a stupid request, but if you guys open
> https://use.cloudshare.com/test.mvc and then click Technical details does
> it
> keep loading or is it successful?
>
> I'm just seeing it loading even for the HTML5 Canvas and this is happening
> on 2 FreeBSD laptops on both Chromium and Firefox, I see some js errors in
> the console:
>
> Use of getUserData() or setUserData() is deprecated.  Use WeakMap or
> element.dataset instead. requestNotifier.js:63
> ReferenceError: u is not defined jquery-migrate-1.1.1.js:268
> ReferenceError: u is not defined common.js:35
> TypeError: itst.formatTimeLeft is not a function ee.js:12
> TypeError: $(...).notificationBar is not a function index.aspx:390
>
>
> Its working fine on Chorme for Android OSX and Windows so I have no clue
> why
> I'm getting difference results on this machines, I wonder if anyone else
> running FreeBSD (10 or current) see's the same. Thanks
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On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 11:01:29PM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2014 13:35:35 -0700, David Benfell wrote:
> > When I right-click on an email address on my owncloud site, with the
> > intent of copying the address to use in mutt (via an ssh session), it
> > brings up an application dialog. If I hit cancel on the application
> > dialog, I do not have the option to copy the email address.
>=20
> You could try to use the edito buffer presemt in X (and
> independent from Firefox and mutt): Select the text with
> the left mouse button (or doubleclick at the address, it
> should be selected now), then switch focus to the terminal
> running mutt, and press the middle mouse button - the
> selected text should now appear. Make sure that the cursor
> is in the correct input field, usually there is no mouse
> support for positioning the cursor prior to output. This
> should work for ssh, as it "emulates keystrokes" and therefore
> doesn't rely on ^C / ^V buffering.
>=20
> Note: If you don't have a mouse with three buttons, but
> a mouse wheel, press down the wheel. If your mouse has
> only two buttons, press both.
>=20
> I'm using this method regularly to copy text into and out
> of different programs and windows. Needless to say, I have
> a real 3-button mouse. :-)
>=20
Generally, I have a very good four-button trackball mouse (so the
middle button is actually upper left). It's only when I'm on the road
and have no place to set up that trackball that I might be reduced to
the awful touchpad and it's awful two buttons.

There's something weird about owncloud that doesn't allow you to swipe
that way (and owncloud is where I keep all my contact information).
It's possible to get it by actually opening up the contact, but this
of course is clumsy and risks an unintended edit.

So I was hoping for 'normal' behavior.

The best answer would be if pycarddav was available as a port on
FreeBSD; this interfaces neatly with mutt (and I'm actually already
configured to use it), but while I see from Google that someone
intended on porting it, apparently they never followed through :-(

https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D189098

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Using Firefox about:config - > general.platform.override and setting
it to "win32" got around the problem.

I've reported it to jquery migrate on github, cause if the os is not
in the list it should use the "u" var, and this is were it fails....
probably the version of jquery they are using does not set the "u"
var.

Anyway thanks for testing guys!

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Hello :-)

Loader of the FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE AMD64 hangs on load in random
moments when booting FreeBSD-10.0-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img on HP
EliteBook 2740p. There is no problem on other machines, the problem
does not allow kernel to load and boot, I have tried other USB sticks,
BIOS update does not change anything. I have booted 64bit both Win7
and Linux from USB drive with success. There is no optical drive, so
the only alternative would be to use pxe install, I will try the
loader and let you know back if this is anything USB related or rather
Loader/Hardware problem..

How the loader problem can be traced back? I can enter boot command prompt :-)

Any hints appreciated :-)

Tomek

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Hi, 

I'm switching from default FreeBSD 9.2 clang/llvm (3.3) to newer clang/llvm 3.4. At linking stage I get

/usr/local/bin/clang++34  -o ./Debug/Project @"Project.txt" -L.
/usr/bin/ld: Dwarf Error: found dwarf version '4', this reader only handles version 2 information.

My makefile doesn't call ld, it's clang++34 who calls it.

I know I must upgrade my FreeBSD, but meanwhile, how can I force clang++34 to use /usr/local/bin/ld? I can't find how do it in clang++34 --help, clang34 man or clang.llvm.org domentation.

System ld
/usr/bin/ld -v
GNU ld 2.17.50 [FreeBSD] 2007-07-03


/usr/local/bin/ld -v
GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.24

TIA

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On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 12:56:00 +0200
Eduardo Morras <emorrasg@yahoo.es> wrote:

> My makefile doesn't call ld, it's clang++34 who calls it.
> 
> I know I must upgrade my FreeBSD, but meanwhile, how can I force clang++34 to
> use /usr/local/bin/ld? I can't find how do it in clang++34 --help, clang34
> man or clang.llvm.org domentation.
You may wish to try something like this:

root@mordillod:~ # cat /usr/local/bin/switchld 
#!/bin/sh

DIST=/usr/bin/ld
ADIST=/usr/bin/ar
RDIST=/usr/bin/ranlib
MIST=/usr/bin/ld.dist
AMIST=/usr/bin/ar.dist
RMIST=/usr/bin/ranlib.dist

[ "$1" = "-t" ] && {
	[ -x "$DIST" ] && echo $DIST || echo Should be in  /usr/local/bin
	exit 0
}

[ -x "$DIST" ]  && mv "$DIST" "$MIST" || mv "$MIST" "$DIST"

[ -x "$ADIST" ]  && mv "$ADIST" "$AMIST" || mv "$AMIST" "$ADIST"

[ -x "$RDIST" ]  && mv "$RDIST" "$RMIST" || mv "$RMIST" "$RDIST"


exit 0

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On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 13:12:07 +0200
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> On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 12:56:00 +0200
> Eduardo Morras <emorrasg@yahoo.es> wrote:
> 
> > My makefile doesn't call ld, it's clang++34 who calls it.
> > 
> > I know I must upgrade my FreeBSD, but meanwhile, how can I force
> > clang++34 to use /usr/local/bin/ld? I can't find how do it in clang+
> > +34 --help, clang34 man or clang.llvm.org domentation.
> You may wish to try something like this:

It works, I was looking for a less agressive method, but works. 

Thanks!

> Cheers,
> 
> Luciano.

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.... I am running XFCE under FBSD 9.3, w/ xfwm4 window manager, all 
box-stock XFCE. I use rxvt terminals running tcsh for CLI work, usually 
have *many* open at one time. I have the following tcsh alias set:

cwdcmd  'echo -n "\033]2;${HOST}:\057$cwd\007\033]1;$cwd:t\007"'

Under my old desktop (FC14, Gnome desktop, rxvt terminals, tcsh), this 
would set the title bar of the window to '<hostname>:current directory', 
and the panel marker similarly, worked AOK. It is only partially working 
under FBSD/XFCE, however. Whenever I cd from one dir to another, nothing 
happens. Indeed, most of my terminals just say 'rxvt' in their title bar 
& panel marker. However, if I SSH to another machine, or to my ISP (They 
give you shell account on their server :-) ), the title bar & panel 
marker are correctly updated. What gives here ? The fact that it works 
sometimes indicates that my setting for the alias is OK, but XFCE or 
FVWM4 isn't responding correctly .... Bug ? TIA ....


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Hi,

I have a default FreeBSD 10.0/amd64 install.

I'm trying to make a GELI device attach at boot. I initialized the
partition with -b, and am prompted at boot. When I try to enter the
passphrase, I keep getting told that it's incorrect. Once I get into
multi-user mode and manually attach the device, it attaches just fine.

It seems that GELI isn't finding my key file.

My initial root partition is da0p2. The key is /boot/da1p1.key. The
GELI partition is da1p1. Here's my loader.conf:

geom_eli_load=YES
geli_da1p1_keyfile0_load="YES"
geli_da1p1_keyfile0_type="da0p2:geli_da1p1_keyfile0"
geli_da1p1_keyfile0_name="/boot/da1p1.key"
kern.geom.eli.debug=3

Any suggestions? What am I doing wrong here?

(Yes, I could just use the installer to do an encrypted install, but
then I wouldn't be able to write about this in a book...)

Thanks,
==ml

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Hello,

I'm looking to replace some of my older machines that I use for dns,
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Would anyone have some recommendations? Ideally it will have 2x GigE, COM
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2014-08-20 18:05 GMT+03:00 Michael W. Lucas <mwlucas@michaelwlucas.com>:
> Hi,
>
> I have a default FreeBSD 10.0/amd64 install.
>
> I'm trying to make a GELI device attach at boot. I initialized the
> partition with -b, and am prompted at boot. When I try to enter the
> passphrase, I keep getting told that it's incorrect. Once I get into
> multi-user mode and manually attach the device, it attaches just fine.
>
> It seems that GELI isn't finding my key file.
>
> My initial root partition is da0p2. The key is /boot/da1p1.key. The
> GELI partition is da1p1. Here's my loader.conf:
>
> geom_eli_load=YES
> geli_da1p1_keyfile0_load="YES"

->>>
> geli_da1p1_keyfile0_type="da0p2:geli_da1p1_keyfile0"
-<<<
This is wrong.

> geli_da1p1_keyfile0_name="/boot/da1p1.key"
> kern.geom.eli.debug=3
>
> Any suggestions? What am I doing wrong here?
>
> (Yes, I could just use the installer to do an encrypted install, but
> then I wouldn't be able to write about this in a book...)
>
> Thanks,
> ==ml
>
> --
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2014, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:

> .... I am running XFCE under FBSD 9.3, w/ xfwm4 window manager, all box-stock 
> XFCE. I use rxvt terminals running tcsh for CLI work, usually have *many* 
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> Under my old desktop (FC14, Gnome desktop, rxvt terminals, tcsh), this would 
> set the title bar of the window to '<hostname>:current directory', and the 
> panel marker similarly, worked AOK. It is only partially working under 
> FBSD/XFCE, however. Whenever I cd from one dir to another, nothing happens. 
> Indeed, most of my terminals just say 'rxvt' in their title bar & panel 
> marker. However, if I SSH to another machine, or to my ISP (They give you 
> shell account on their server :-) ), the title bar & panel marker are 
> correctly updated. What gives here ? The fact that it works sometimes 
> indicates that my setting for the alias is OK, but XFCE or FVWM4 isn't 
> responding correctly .... Bug ? TIA ....
>
I have been using this since 3.5:

   set prompt="%B%{\e]2\;%n@%m %l %~%#^g\e]1\;%n@%m^g\r%}%m\:%~%#%b "

still works. I use a custom /etc/csh.cshrc file so it is window manager 
independent. I took a shot at translating this using the man page a couple of 
years ago.

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On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 12:29 AM, CeDeROM <cederom@tlen.pl> wrote:
> Hello :-)
>
> Loader of the FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE AMD64 hangs on load in random
> moments when booting FreeBSD-10.0-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img on HP
> EliteBook 2740p. There is no problem on other machines, the problem
> does not allow kernel to load and boot, I have tried other USB sticks,
> BIOS update does not change anything. I have booted 64bit both Win7
> and Linux from USB drive with success. There is no optical drive, so
> the only alternative would be to use pxe install, I will try the
> loader and let you know back if this is anything USB related or rather
> Loader/Hardware problem..
>
> How the loader problem can be traced back? I can enter boot command prompt :-)
>
> Any hints appreciated :-)

I am curious, are you trying legacy bios or uefi? and did you ever
have freebsd successfully installed/running on this laptop? Trying to
figure out of this is a regression.

cheers,
Hiren

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On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 6:09 PM, hiren panchasara <hiren@freebsd.org> wrote:
> I am curious, are you trying legacy bios or uefi? and did you ever
> have freebsd successfully installed/running on this laptop? Trying to
> figure out of this is a regression.

This is my new machine so never FreeBSD on it before, I know Win7 and
Kali Linux 64bit works fine. I use Legacy BIOS boot. Should I try
UEFI? I will try pxe boot and report back :-)

-- 
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On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 9:13 AM, CeDeROM <cederom@tlen.pl> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 6:09 PM, hiren panchasara <hiren@freebsd.org> wrote:
>> I am curious, are you trying legacy bios or uefi? and did you ever
>> have freebsd successfully installed/running on this laptop? Trying to
>> figure out of this is a regression.
>
> This is my new machine so never FreeBSD on it before, I know Win7 and
> Kali Linux 64bit works fine. I use Legacy BIOS boot. Should I try
> UEFI? I will try pxe boot and report back :-)

Yeah, just for the hack of it, try UEFI and see.

Fwiw, I have a HP folio 9470m laptop that I cannot boot with -CURRENT.
In legacy bios, I see loader spinner and screen goes blank, laptop
reboots itself. And sometimes it resets itself even before the
spinner. In UEFI, I see other failures. More details at
https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=192655

cheers,
Hiren

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On 20-08-2014, Wed [11:08:50], Gardner Bell wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm looking to replace some of my older machines that I use for dns,
> firewall, etc with low power alternatives. So far I've come across
> http://www.stealth.com/littlepc_480_fanless_multilan.htm but they seem to
> be a bit pricey and packed with more features than I truly need,
> 
> Would anyone have some recommendations? Ideally it will have 2x GigE, COM
> port, 1U rack mountable, or a mini-pc form factor.
> 
> Thanks
> -- 
> Gardner Bell


Take a look at these router boxes: http://routerboard.com/, one might suit your needs.
While there's no FreeBSD inside ;) their RouterOS provides _a lot_ of features for the price.

Cheers!


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Interesting .... It does indeed work on the title bar & panel marker, 
although I can't find most of it in the man page, especially the various 
control sequences ....


On 08/20/14 10:48, doug wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2014, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>
>> .... I am running XFCE under FBSD 9.3, w/ xfwm4 window manager, all 
>> box-stock XFCE. I use rxvt terminals running tcsh for CLI work, 
>> usually have *many* open at one time. I have the following tcsh alias 
>> set:
>>
>> cwdcmd  'echo -n "\033]2;${HOST}:\057$cwd\007\033]1;$cwd:t\007"'
>>
>> Under my old desktop (FC14, Gnome desktop, rxvt terminals, tcsh), 
>> this would set the title bar of the window to '<hostname>:current 
>> directory', and the panel marker similarly, worked AOK. It is only 
>> partially working under FBSD/XFCE, however. Whenever I cd from one 
>> dir to another, nothing happens. Indeed, most of my terminals just 
>> say 'rxvt' in their title bar & panel marker. However, if I SSH to 
>> another machine, or to my ISP (They give you shell account on their 
>> server :-) ), the title bar & panel marker are correctly updated. 
>> What gives here ? The fact that it works sometimes indicates that my 
>> setting for the alias is OK, but XFCE or FVWM4 isn't responding 
>> correctly .... Bug ? TIA ....
>>
> I have been using this since 3.5:
>
>   set prompt="%B%{\e]2\;%n@%m %l %~%#^g\e]1\;%n@%m^g\r%}%m\:%~%#%b "
>
> still works. I use a custom /etc/csh.cshrc file so it is window 
> manager independent. I took a shot at translating this using the man 
> page a couple of years ago.
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On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 06:10:51PM +0300, Anton Sayetsky wrote:
> 2014-08-20 18:05 GMT+03:00 Michael W. Lucas <mwlucas@michaelwlucas.com>:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a default FreeBSD 10.0/amd64 install.
> >
> > I'm trying to make a GELI device attach at boot. I initialized the
> > partition with -b, and am prompted at boot. When I try to enter the
> > passphrase, I keep getting told that it's incorrect. Once I get into
> > multi-user mode and manually attach the device, it attaches just fine.
> >
> > It seems that GELI isn't finding my key file.
> >
> > My initial root partition is da0p2. The key is /boot/da1p1.key. The
> > GELI partition is da1p1. Here's my loader.conf:
> >
> > geom_eli_load=YES
> > geli_da1p1_keyfile0_load="YES"
> 
> ->>>
> > geli_da1p1_keyfile0_type="da0p2:geli_da1p1_keyfile0"
> -<<<
> This is wrong.

Thanks, Anton. This stuff is poorly documented.

>From looking at
https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-geom/2014-June/005944.html,
it looks like this should work, but it doesn't.

geli_da1p1key_keyfile0_load="YES"
geli_da1p1key_keyfile0_type="da0p2:geli_keyfile0"
geli_da1p1key_keyfile0_name="/boot/da1p1.key"
boot_verbose=1

Any suggestions, folks? Is there a good explanation out there
anywhere? All I've found are PRs and very specific mailing list posts
aimed at specific situations. If I can figure out the general case,
I'll get it in the man page.

Thanks,
==ml

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John Case <case@SDF.ORG> writes:

> I point a particular application to a 7.x system using a login with
> /nonexistent as the home directory and /sbin/nologin as the shell.
>
> I copied the line from 'vipw' into a new 9.x system, and now when I
> try to connect, the application complains.

Rather weak description there...

> I also have securelevel=2 ...
>
> So, did something change with /nonexistent in FreeBSD 9, or does
> securelevel=2 screw this up somehow ??

Nothing changed; isn't (for example) "nobody" using a home directory in
that form? 

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Don't top-post, please.

"William A. Mahaffey III" <wam@hiwaay.net> writes:
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> On 08/20/14 10:48, doug wrote:
>>   set prompt="%B%{\e]2\;%n@%m %l %~%#^g\e]1\;%n@%m^g\r%}%m\:%~%#%b "
>
> Interesting .... It does indeed work on the title bar & panel marker,
> although I can't find most of it in the man page, especially the
> various control sequences ....
>

Most of that would come termcap, no? 
It has nothing to do with the shell directly.

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On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 05:13:07PM -0400, Michael W. Lucas wrote:
> geli_da1p1key_keyfile0_load="YES"
> geli_da1p1key_keyfile0_type="da0p2:geli_keyfile0"
> geli_da1p1key_keyfile0_name="/boot/da1p1.key"
> boot_verbose=1


And, of course, I figured this out right after sending this mail.

The _type line must reference the encrypted partition, not the
partition the key file is on. This entry seems to mean "the encryption
key for partition X is: geli_keyfile_0" -- it's not "here's the
location of the keyfile.

==ml

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Hello:
I'd really like to put a couple of jails on publically accessible IP 
addresses. I have 5 that my provider has assigned to me. Could anyone 
possibly shed
some light on how to do this? I know of epairs, but I'm not sure exactly 
how this works: does each interface (a and b) get an address? I presume 
one would
be 192.168.0.8 and the other would be x.x.x.x (where x.x.x.x is the 
public address)? Which one should i set the gateway on?
Thanks a lot for the help,

-- 
Take care,
Ty
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Apologies for top posting, but thanks Dmitry for your reply. I have
however, decided to go with the http://www.pcengines.ch/apu.htm board. Not
too thrilled that it has realtek nics, but I'm sure I'll survive.


On 20 August 2014 14:19, Dmitry Sarkisov <ait.mlist@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 20-08-2014, Wed [11:08:50], Gardner Bell wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm looking to replace some of my older machines that I use for dns,
> > firewall, etc with low power alternatives. So far I've come across
> > http://www.stealth.com/littlepc_480_fanless_multilan.htm but they seem
> to
> > be a bit pricey and packed with more features than I truly need,
> >
> > Would anyone have some recommendations? Ideally it will have 2x GigE, COM
> > port, 1U rack mountable, or a mini-pc form factor.
> >
> > Thanks
> > --
> > Gardner Bell
>
>
> Take a look at these router boxes: http://routerboard.com/, one might
> suit your needs.
> While there's no FreeBSD inside ;) their RouterOS provides _a lot_ of
> features for the price.
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> --
> Dmitry.
>         /--->
> ------------>
>         \--->
>
>


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On 8/20/2014 10:50 PM, James Gritton wrote:
> On 8/20/2014 5:20 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
>> Hello:
>> I'd really like to put a couple of jails on publically accessible IP 
>> addresses. I have 5 that my provider has assigned to me. Could anyone 
>> possibly shed
>> some light on how to do this? I know of epairs, but I'm not sure 
>> exactly how this works: does each interface (a and b) get an address? 
>> I presume one would
>> be 192.168.0.8 and the other would be x.x.x.x (where x.x.x.x is the 
>> public address)? Which one should i set the gateway on?
>> Thanks a lot for the help,
>
> You shouldn't need to mess with epair for most jails.  Just specify 
> the jails' addresses (ip4.addr=x.x.x.x) in your jail.conf, and be sure 
> to have an "interface=foo0" global line.  The simplest jail setup is 
> one using publicly available addresses on a single interface, which 
> sounds like what you have.
>
Hello:
Thanks a lot for the info. I guess I should have been a bit more 
explicit: I want to be able to assign firewall rules to these separate 
jails. I don't think I can assign rules based on address but have to 
have some sort of interface. For example, port 80 will be open on two 
jails, but one should have rate limiting applied to it.
Thanks,

> - Jamie


-- 
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Ty
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On 8/20/2014 9:02 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> On 8/20/2014 10:50 PM, James Gritton wrote:
>> On 8/20/2014 5:20 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
>>> Hello:
>>> I'd really like to put a couple of jails on publically accessible IP 
>>> addresses. I have 5 that my provider has assigned to me. Could 
>>> anyone possibly shed
>>> some light on how to do this? I know of epairs, but I'm not sure 
>>> exactly how this works: does each interface (a and b) get an 
>>> address? I presume one would
>>> be 192.168.0.8 and the other would be x.x.x.x (where x.x.x.x is the 
>>> public address)? Which one should i set the gateway on?
>>> Thanks a lot for the help,
>>
>> You shouldn't need to mess with epair for most jails.  Just specify 
>> the jails' addresses (ip4.addr=x.x.x.x) in your jail.conf, and be 
>> sure to have an "interface=foo0" global line. The simplest jail setup 
>> is one using publicly available addresses on a single interface, 
>> which sounds like what you have.
>>
> Hello:
> Thanks a lot for the info. I guess I should have been a bit more 
> explicit: I want to be able to assign firewall rules to these separate 
> jails. I don't think I can assign rules based on address but have to 
> have some sort of interface. For example, port 80 will be open on two 
> jails, but one should have rate limiting applied to it.
> Thanks,

Ah yes, that is indeed more complicated :-).  I've never done any 
firewall rules involving interfaces, so I'm out of my depth there. I've 
had no problems with the simple things like restricting ports on 
different IP addresses on the same interface, but that doesn't mean I 
wouldn't have problems with rate limiting.

If it does indeed take its own interface, you have to connect the other 
end to somewhere.  The original Vimage work relied a lot on netgraph(4), 
but it sounds like you should be able to get by with at epair and an 
if_bridge.  Your physical interface would bridged with one side of all 
the epairs, and the bridge would have the server address and all the 
jail addresses.  Then each jail gets assigned the other half of one 
epair, and and internal IP address to go with it.

All that sounds good in theory, but take it as the advice of someone who 
hasn't typed a single test command in that area :-).

- Jamie

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On 8/20/2014 5:20 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> Hello:
> I'd really like to put a couple of jails on publically accessible IP 
> addresses. I have 5 that my provider has assigned to me. Could anyone 
> possibly shed
> some light on how to do this? I know of epairs, but I'm not sure 
> exactly how this works: does each interface (a and b) get an address? 
> I presume one would
> be 192.168.0.8 and the other would be x.x.x.x (where x.x.x.x is the 
> public address)? Which one should i set the gateway on?
> Thanks a lot for the help,

You shouldn't need to mess with epair for most jails.  Just specify the 
jails' addresses (ip4.addr=x.x.x.x) in your jail.conf, and be sure to 
have an "interface=foo0" global line.  The simplest jail setup is one 
using publicly available addresses on a single interface, which sounds 
like what you have.

- Jamie

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On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 05:02:07 +0200, Littlefield, Tyler  
<tyler@tysdomain.com> wrote:

> On 8/20/2014 10:50 PM, James Gritton wrote:
>> On 8/20/2014 5:20 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
>>> Hello:
>>> I'd really like to put a couple of jails on publically accessible IP  
>>> addresses. I have 5 that my provider has assigned to me. Could anyone  
>>> possibly shed
>>> some light on how to do this? I know of epairs, but I'm not sure  
>>> exactly how this works: does each interface (a and b) get an address?  
>>> I presume one would
>>> be 192.168.0.8 and the other would be x.x.x.x (where x.x.x.x is the  
>>> public address)? Which one should i set the gateway on?
>>> Thanks a lot for the help,
>>
>> You shouldn't need to mess with epair for most jails.  Just specify the  
>> jails' addresses (ip4.addr=x.x.x.x) in your jail.conf, and be sure to  
>> have an "interface=foo0" global line.  The simplest jail setup is one  
>> using publicly available addresses on a single interface, which sounds  
>> like what you have.
>>
> Hello:
> Thanks a lot for the info. I guess I should have been a bit more  
> explicit: I want to be able to assign firewall rules to these separate  
> jails. I don't think I can assign rules based on address but have to  
> have some sort of interface. For example, port 80 will be open on two  
> jails, but one should have rate limiting applied to it.
> Thanks,
>
>> - Jamie
>

With ipfw, you could do something like:

allow ip from any to <x.x.x.100> 80
allow ip from any to <x.x.x.101> 80 limit src-addr 4
reset ip from any to me 80  # catch-all


Michael

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On 19/08/2014 21:29, John Case wrote:
>
> I point a particular application to a 7.x system using a login with
> /nonexistent as the home directory and /sbin/nologin as the shell.
>
> I copied the line from 'vipw' into a new 9.x system, and now when I try
> to connect, the application complains.

It would help if you told us what the complaint was, and also what the 
app was, or at least what it's supposed to do.

> I also have securelevel=2 ...
>
> So, did something change with /nonexistent in FreeBSD 9, or does
> securelevel=2 screw this up somehow ??

The entire point about /nonexistent is that it is nonexistent.



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Hi all,

 I had updated my /usr/src to r270260 this morning. "make buildworld"
works without problem, but when I try to compile a new kernel, fails.
Log:

:> export_syms
awk -f /usr/src/sys/conf/kmod_syms.awk dtnfscl.ko.debug  export_syms |
xargs -J% objcopy % dtnfscl.ko.debug
--- all_subdir_cxgb ---
ctfconvert -L VERSION -g cxgb_t3fw.o
--- all_subdir_dtrace ---
A failure has been detected in another branch of the parallel make

make[5]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/dtnfscl
--- all_subdir_cxgbe ---
ctfmerge -L VERSION -g -o t4fw_cfg.ko.debug t4fw_cfg.txt.fwo
t4fw_cfg_uwire.txt.fwo t4fw.fw.fwo t4fw_cfg.o
--- all_subdir_drm2 ---
--- drm_drv.o ---
ctfconvert -L VERSION -g drm_drv.o
--- all_subdir_cxgbe ---
:> export_syms
awk -f /usr/src/sys/conf/kmod_syms.awk t4fw_cfg.ko.debug  export_syms
| xargs -J% objcopy % t4fw_cfg.ko.debug
--- all_subdir_dtrace ---
*** [_sub.all] Error code 2

make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace
1 error

make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace
--- all_subdir_cxgb ---
A failure has been detected in another branch of the parallel make

make[5]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/cxgb/cxgb_t3fw
--- psopinfo.o ---
ctfconvert -L VERSION -g psopinfo.o
--- modules-all ---
--- all_subdir_em ---
--- if_lem.o ---
In file included from /usr/src/sys/modules/em/../../dev/e1000/if_lem.c:337:
In file included from @/dev/netmap/if_lem_netmap.h:40:
@/dev/netmap/netmap_kern.h:1067:39: error: declaration of 'struct
nm_ifreq' will not be visible outside of this function
[-Werror,-Wvisibility]
typedef int (*bdg_config_fn_t)(struct nm_ifreq *);
                                      ^
--- all_subdir_dtrace ---
*** [all_subdir_dtrace] Error code 2

make[3]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules
--- all_subdir_cxgb ---
*** [_sub.all] Error code 2

make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/cxgb
1 error

make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/cxgb
--- all_subdir_cxgbe ---
A failure has been detected in another branch of the parallel make

make[5]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/cxgbe/t4_firmware
--- all_subdir_cxgb ---
*** [all_subdir_cxgb] Error code 2

make[3]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules
--- all_subdir_cxgbe ---
*** [_sub.all] Error code 2

make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/cxgbe
1 error

make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/cxgbe
*** [all_subdir_cxgbe] Error code 2

make[3]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules
--- all_subdir_ed ---
ctfconvert -L VERSION -g if_ed_novell.o
--- all_subdir_ath ---
ctfconvert -L VERSION -g ar9285_btcoex.o
--- all_subdir_em ---
1 error generated.
*** [if_lem.o] Error code 1

make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/em
2 errors

make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/em
*** [all_subdir_em] Error code 2

make[3]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules
--- all_subdir_dummynet ---
ctfconvert -L VERSION -g dn_sched_qfq.o
A failure has been detected in another branch of the parallel make

make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/dummynet
--- all_subdir_drm ---
ctfconvert -L VERSION -g drm_irq.o
--- all_subdir_ath ---
A failure has been detected in another branch of the parallel make

make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/ath
--- all_subdir_ed ---
--- if_ed.o ---
ctfconvert -L VERSION -g if_ed.o
--- all_subdir_dummynet ---
*** [all_subdir_dummynet] Error code 2

make[3]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules
--- all_subdir_ath ---
*** [all_subdir_ath] Error code 2

make[3]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules
--- all_subdir_drm ---
A failure has been detected in another branch of the parallel make

make[5]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/drm/drm
--- all_subdir_ed ---
A failure has been detected in another branch of the parallel make

make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/ed
--- all_subdir_drm ---
*** [_sub.all] Error code 2

make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/drm
1 error

make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/drm
--- all_subdir_ed ---
*** [all_subdir_ed] Error code 2

make[3]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules
--- all_subdir_drm ---
*** [all_subdir_drm] Error code 2

make[3]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules
--- all_subdir_drm2 ---
--- drm_fb_helper.o ---
ctfconvert -L VERSION -g drm_fb_helper.o
--- all_subdir_en ---
ctfconvert -L VERSION -g if_en_pci.o
--- all_subdir_drm2 ---
A failure has been detected in another branch of the parallel make

make[5]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/drm2/drm2
*** [_sub.all] Error code 2

make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/drm2
1 error

make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/drm2
*** [all_subdir_drm2] Error code 2

make[3]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules
--- all_subdir_en ---
--- midway.o ---
ctfconvert -L VERSION -g midway.o
A failure has been detected in another branch of the parallel make

make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/en
*** [all_subdir_en] Error code 2

make[3]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules
10 errors

make[3]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules
*** [modules-all] Error code 2

make[2]: stopped in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FBSDNSM03
1 error

make[2]: stopped in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FBSDNSM03
*** [buildkernel] Error code 2

make[1]: stopped in /usr/src
1 error

make[1]: stopped in /usr/src
*** [buildkernel] Error code 2

make: stopped in /usr/src
1 error

make: stopped in /usr/src

 Any idea why?? My customized kernel conf file works without problems
over four months until today :(

Thanks.

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On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 8:50 AM, C. L. Martinez <carlopmart@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>  I had updated my /usr/src to r270260 this morning. "make buildworld"
> works without problem, but when I try to compile a new kernel, fails.
> Log:
>
> :> export_syms
> awk -f /usr/src/sys/conf/kmod_syms.awk dtnfscl.ko.debug  export_syms |
> xargs -J% objcopy % dtnfscl.ko.debug
> --- all_subdir_cxgb ---
> ctfconvert -L VERSION -g cxgb_t3fw.o
> --- all_subdir_dtrace ---
> A failure has been detected in another branch of the parallel make
>
> make[5]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/dtnfscl
> --- all_subdir_cxgbe ---
> ctfmerge -L VERSION -g -o t4fw_cfg.ko.debug t4fw_cfg.txt.fwo
> t4fw_cfg_uwire.txt.fwo t4fw.fw.fwo t4fw_cfg.o
> --- all_subdir_drm2 ---
> --- drm_drv.o ---
> ctfconvert -L VERSION -g drm_drv.o
> --- all_subdir_cxgbe ---
> :> export_syms
> awk -f /usr/src/sys/conf/kmod_syms.awk t4fw_cfg.ko.debug  export_syms
> | xargs -J% objcopy % t4fw_cfg.ko.debug
> --- all_subdir_dtrace ---
> *** [_sub.all] Error code 2
>
> make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace
> 1 error
>
> make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace
> --- all_subdir_cxgb ---
> A failure has been detected in another branch of the parallel make
>
> make[5]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/cxgb/cxgb_t3fw
> --- psopinfo.o ---
> ctfconvert -L VERSION -g psopinfo.o
> --- modules-all ---
> --- all_subdir_em ---
> --- if_lem.o ---
> In file included from /usr/src/sys/modules/em/../../dev/e1000/if_lem.c:337:
> In file included from @/dev/netmap/if_lem_netmap.h:40:
> @/dev/netmap/netmap_kern.h:1067:39: error: declaration of 'struct
> nm_ifreq' will not be visible outside of this function
> [-Werror,-Wvisibility]
> typedef int (*bdg_config_fn_t)(struct nm_ifreq *);
>                                       ^
> --- all_subdir_dtrace ---
> *** [all_subdir_dtrace] Error code 2
>
> make[3]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules
> --- all_subdir_cxgb ---
> *** [_sub.all] Error code 2
>
> make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/cxgb
> 1 error
>
> make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/cxgb
> --- all_subdir_cxgbe ---
> A failure has been detected in another branch of the parallel make
>
> make[5]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/cxgbe/t4_firmware
> --- all_subdir_cxgb ---
> *** [all_subdir_cxgb] Error code 2
>
> make[3]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules
> --- all_subdir_cxgbe ---
> *** [_sub.all] Error code 2
>
> make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/cxgbe
> 1 error
>
> make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/cxgbe
> *** [all_subdir_cxgbe] Error code 2
>
> make[3]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules
> --- all_subdir_ed ---
> ctfconvert -L VERSION -g if_ed_novell.o
> --- all_subdir_ath ---
> ctfconvert -L VERSION -g ar9285_btcoex.o
> --- all_subdir_em ---
> 1 error generated.
> *** [if_lem.o] Error code 1
>
> make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/em
> 2 errors
>
> make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/em
> *** [all_subdir_em] Error code 2
>
> make[3]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules
> --- all_subdir_dummynet ---
> ctfconvert -L VERSION -g dn_sched_qfq.o
> A failure has been detected in another branch of the parallel make
>
> make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/dummynet
> --- all_subdir_drm ---
> ctfconvert -L VERSION -g drm_irq.o
> --- all_subdir_ath ---
> A failure has been detected in another branch of the parallel make
>
> make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/ath
> --- all_subdir_ed ---
> --- if_ed.o ---
> ctfconvert -L VERSION -g if_ed.o
> --- all_subdir_dummynet ---
> *** [all_subdir_dummynet] Error code 2
>
> make[3]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules
> --- all_subdir_ath ---
> *** [all_subdir_ath] Error code 2
>
> make[3]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules
> --- all_subdir_drm ---
> A failure has been detected in another branch of the parallel make
>
> make[5]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/drm/drm
> --- all_subdir_ed ---
> A failure has been detected in another branch of the parallel make
>
> make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/ed
> --- all_subdir_drm ---
> *** [_sub.all] Error code 2
>
> make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/drm
> 1 error
>
> make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/drm
> --- all_subdir_ed ---
> *** [all_subdir_ed] Error code 2
>
> make[3]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules
> --- all_subdir_drm ---
> *** [all_subdir_drm] Error code 2
>
> make[3]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules
> --- all_subdir_drm2 ---
> --- drm_fb_helper.o ---
> ctfconvert -L VERSION -g drm_fb_helper.o
> --- all_subdir_en ---
> ctfconvert -L VERSION -g if_en_pci.o
> --- all_subdir_drm2 ---
> A failure has been detected in another branch of the parallel make
>
> make[5]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/drm2/drm2
> *** [_sub.all] Error code 2
>
> make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/drm2
> 1 error
>
> make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/drm2
> *** [all_subdir_drm2] Error code 2
>
> make[3]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules
> --- all_subdir_en ---
> --- midway.o ---
> ctfconvert -L VERSION -g midway.o
> A failure has been detected in another branch of the parallel make
>
> make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules/en
> *** [all_subdir_en] Error code 2
>
> make[3]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules
> 10 errors
>
> make[3]: stopped in /usr/src/sys/modules
> *** [modules-all] Error code 2
>
> make[2]: stopped in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FBSDNSM03
> 1 error
>
> make[2]: stopped in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FBSDNSM03
> *** [buildkernel] Error code 2
>
> make[1]: stopped in /usr/src
> 1 error
>
> make[1]: stopped in /usr/src
> *** [buildkernel] Error code 2
>
> make: stopped in /usr/src
> 1 error
>
> make: stopped in /usr/src
>
>  Any idea why?? My customized kernel conf file works without problems
> over four months until today :(
>
> Thanks.

Oops. Sorry, sended to the wrong list.

Forget it.

Thanks.

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Paul Kraus <paul@kraus-haus.org> wrote:
> On Aug 7, 2014, at 4:16, Scott Bennett <bennett@sdf.org> wrote:
>
> >     If two pools use different partitions on a drive and both pools are
> > rebuilding those partitions at the same time, then how could ZFS *not*
> > be hammering the drive?  The access arm would be doing almost nothing but
> > endless series of long seeks back and forth between the two partitions
> > involved.
>
> How is this different from real production use with, for example, a large database? Even with a single vdev per physical drive you generate LOTS of RANDOM I/O during a resilver. Remember that a ZFS resilver is NOT a like other RAID resync operations. It is NOT a sequential copy of existing data. It is a functionally a reply of all the data written to the zpool as it walks the UberBlock. The major difference between a resilver and a scrub is that the resilver is expecting to be writing data to one (or more) vdevs, while the scrub is mainly a read operation (still generating LOTS of random I/O) looking for errors in the read data (and correcting such when found).

     I wasn't thinking in terms of a large data base, but rather in terms
of my particular usage.  What I need all this space for is primarily archival
storage, so it will not be heavily accessed under normal circumstances, at
least not once the initial, mass loading has been done.  Speed is not expected
to be all that important on a day-to-day basis, but integrity of the data will
be.
     Some of the archives will be encrypted.  About three times as much space
as the encrypted portion is expected to be used for unencrypted data.  In the
event of a drive being replaced, what I wish to avoid would be to have two
rebuilding operations going on simultaneously on the same set of component
drives.  If I can combine the encrypted and unencrypted data into a single
pool in ZFS, then that eliminates the problem.
>
> >  When you're talking about hundreds of gigabytes to be written
> > to each partition, it could take months or even years to complete, during
> > which time something else is almost certain to fail and halt the rebuilds.
>
> In my experience it is not the amount of data to be re-written, but the amount of writes that created the data. For example, a zpool that is mostly write once (a mead library, for example, where each CD is written once, never changed, and read lots) will resilver much faster than a zpool with lots of small random writes and lots of deletions (like a busy database). See my blog post here: http://pk1048.com/zfs-resilver-observations/ for the most recent resilver I had to do on my home server. I needed to scan 2.84TB of data to rewrite 580GB, it took just under 17 hours.

     I'll take a look at that article once I have X11 working again.  Thanks
for the URL.  That recovery time looks reasonable and reassures me quite a
bit.
>
> If I had two (or more) vdevs on each device (and I *have* done that when I needed to), I would have issued the first zpool replace command, waited for it to complete and then issued the other. If I had more than one drive fail, I would have handled the replacement of BOTH drives on one zpool first and then moved on to the second. This is NOT because I want to be nice and easy on my drives :-), it is simply because I expect that running the two operations in parallel will be slower than running them in series. For the major reason that large seeks are slower than short seeks.

     My concern was over a slightly different possible case, namely, a hard
failure of a component drive (e.g., makes ugly noises, doesn't spin, and/or
doesn't show up as a device recognized as such by the OS).  In that case,
either one has to physically connect a replacement device or a spare is
already on-line.  A spare would automatically be grabbed by a pool for
reconstruction, so I wanted to know whether situation under discussion would
result in automatically initiated rebuilds of both pools at once.
>
> Also note from the data in my blog entry that the only drive being pushed close to it?s limits is the new replaced drive that is handling the writes. The read drives are not being pushed that hard. YMMV as this is a 5 drive RAIDz2 and for the case of a 2-way mirror the read drive and write drive will be more closely loaded.

     FWIW, I'm now hoping to build a 6-drive, raidz2 pool for my archival
storage.
>
> >     That looks good.  What happens if a "zpool replace failingdrive newdrive"
> > is running when the failingdrive actually fails completely?
>
> A zpool replace is not a simple copy from the failing device to the new one, it is a rebuild of the data on the new device, so if the device fails completely it just keeps rebuilding. The example in my blog was of a drive that just went offline with no warning. I put the new drive in the same physical slot (I did not have any open slots) and issued the resilver command.

     Okay.  However, now you bring up another possible pitfall.  Are ZFS's
drives address- or name-dependent?  All of the drives I expect to use will be
external drives.  At least four of the six will be connected via USB 3.0.  The
other two may be connected via USB 3.0, Firewire 400, or eSATA.  In any case,
their device names in /dev will most likely change from one boot to another.
>
> Note that having the FreeBSD device drive echo the Vendor info, including drive P/N and S/N to the system log is a HUGE help to replacing bad drives.

     I would imagine so.
>
> >> memory pressure more gracefully, but it's not committed yet. I highly recommend
> >> moving to 64-bit as soon as possible.
> > 
> >     I intend to do so, but "as soon as possible" will be after all this
> > disk trouble and disk reconfiguration have been resolved.  It will be done
> > via an in-place upgrade from source, so I need to have a place to run
> > buildworld and build kernel.
>
> So the real world intrudes on perfection yet again :-) We do what we have to in order to get the job done, but make sure to understand the limitations and compromises you are making along the way.
>
> >  Before doing an installkernel and installworld,
> > I need also to have a place to run full backups.  I have not had a place to
> > store new backups for the last three months, which is making me more unhappy
> > by the day.  I really have to get the disk work *done* before I can move
> > forward on anything else, which is why I'm trying to find out whether I can
> > actually use ZFS raidzN in that cause while still on i386.
>
> Yes, you can. I have used ZFS on 32-bit systems (OK, they were really 32-bit VMs, but I was still running ZFS there, still am today and it has saved my butt at least once already).
>
     Okay, that's great.  I'll continue with my plans in that case.

> >  Performance
> > will not be an issue that I can see until later if ever.
>
> I have run ZFS on systems with as little as 1GB total RAM, just do NOT expect stellar (or even good) performance. Keep a close watch on the ARC size (FreeBSD 10 makes this easy with the additional status line in top for the ZFS ARC and L2ARC). You can also use arcstat.pl (get the FreeBSD version here https://code.google.com/p/jhell/downloads/detail?name=arcstat.pl )to track ARC usage over time. On my most critical production server I leave it running with a 60 second sample so if something goes south I can see what happened just before.

     I'll give that a shot.
>
> Tune vfs.zfs.arc_max in /boot/loader.conf

     That looks like a huge help.  While initially loading a file system
or zvol, would there be any advantage to setting primarycache to "metadata",
as opposed to leaving it set to the default value of "all"?
>
> If I had less than 4GB of RAM I would limit the ARC to 1/2 RAM, unless this were solely a fileserver, then I would watch how much memory I needed outside ZFS and set the ARC to slightly less than that. Take a look at the recommendations here https://wiki.freebsd.org/ZFSTuningGuide for low RAM situations.

     Will do.  Hmm...I see again the recommendation to increase KVA_PAGES
from 260 to 512.  I worry about that because the i386 kernel says at boot
that it ignores all real memory above ~2.9 GB.  A bit farther along, during
the early messages preserved and available via dmesg(1), it says,

real memory  = 4294967296 (4096 MB)
avail memory = 3132100608 (2987 MB)

>
> >  I just need to
> > know whether I can use it at all with my presently installed OS or will
> > instead have to use gvinum(8) raid5 and hope for minimal data corruption.
> > (At least only one .eli device would be needed in that case, not the M+N
> > .eli devices that would be required for a raidzN pool.) Unfortunately,
> > ideal conditions for ZFS are not an available option for now.
>
> I am a big believer in ZFS, so I think the short term disadvantages are outweighed by the ease of migration and the long term advantages. So I would go the ZFS route.
>
     Yes, it does appear that way to me, too, provided I can actually get
there from here.


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Paul Kraus <paul@kraus-haus.org> wrote:

> On Aug 8, 2014, at 3:06, Scott Bennett <bennett@sdf.org> wrote:
>
> >     Well, I need space for encrypted file systems and for unencrypted file
> > systems at a roughly 1:3 ratio.  I have four 2 TB drives for the purpose
> > already, but apparently need at least two more.  If zvol+geli+UFS is not the
> > way and using multiple slices/partitions is not the way either, then how
> > should I set it up?
>
> How much data do you need to store?

     Initially, probably about 1.4 - 1.5 TB.  The rest would be space for
continuing to build the archives.
>
> With four 2TB drives I would setup either a 2x2 mirror (if I needed random I/O performance) or a 4 drive RAIDz2 if I needed reliability (the RAIDz2 configuration has a substantially higher MTTDL than a 2-way mirror).

     I'm now aiming for six drives in a raidz2.
>
> How much does the geli encryption cost in terms of space and speed? Is there a strong reason to not encrypt ALL the data? It can be in different zfs datasets (the ZFS term for a filesystem). In fact, I am NOT a fan of using the base dataset that is created with every zpool; I always create addition zfs datasets below the root of the zpool.

     Copying a file from one .eli partition to another can easily run up
to 25% on each of two cores of a Q6600.
     I didn't realize that there would be a "base data set"; I thought that
one had to create at least one file system or zvol in a pool in order to
use the space at all.
>
> Note that part of the reason it is not recommended to create more than one vdev per physical device is that load on one zpool can then effect the performance of the other. It also means that you cannot readily predict the performance of *either* as they will interact with each other. Neither of the above may apply to you, but knowing *why* can help you choose to ignore a recommendation :-)
>
     Again, this will be long-term, archival storage, so demand should
be quite low nearly all of the time.
> > 
> >     I see.  I had gathered from the zpool(8) man page's two forms of the
> > "replace" subcommand that the form shown above should be used if the failing
> > disk were still somewhat usable, but that the other form should be used if
> > the failing disk were already a failed disk.  I figured from that that ZFS
> > would try to get whatever it could from the failing disk and only recalculate
> > from the rest for blocks that couldn't be read intact from the failing disk.
> > If that is not the case, then why bother to have two forms of the "replace"
> > subcommand?  Wouldn't it just be simpler to unplug the failing drive, plug
> > in the new drive, and then use the other form of the "replace" subcommand,
> > in which case that would be the *only* form of the subcommand?
>
> I suspect that is legacy usage. The behavior of resilver (and scrub) operations changed a fair bit in the first couple years of ZFS?s use in the real world. One of the HUGE advantages of the OpenSolaris project was the very fast feedback from the field directly to the developers. You still see that today in the OpenZFS project. While I am not a developer, I do subscribe to the ZFS-developer mailing list to read what is begin worked on and why.
>
> >     In any case, that is why I was asking what would happen in the
> > mid-rebuild failure situation.  If both subcommands are effectively identical,
> > then I guess it shouldn't be a big problem.
>
> IIRC, at some point the replace operation (resilver) was modified to use a ?failing? device to speed the process if it were still available. You still need to read the data and compare to the checksum, but it can be faster if you have the bad drive for some of the data. But my memory here may also be faulty, this is a good question to ask over on the ZFS list.

     Okay.
>
> >     How does one set a limit?  Is there an undocumented sysctl variable
> > for it?
>
> $ sysctl -a | grep vfs.zfs
>
> to find all the zfs handles (not all may be tunable)

     Are they all documented somewhere?
>
> Set them in /boot/loader.conf
>
> vfs.zfs.arc_max=?nnnM? is what you want :-)

     Thanks.  Already noted elsewhere, too.
>
> If /boot/loader.conf does not exist, create it, same format as /boot/defaults/loader.conf (but do not change things there, they may be overwritten by OS updates/upgrades).

     It already has many settings in it.
>
> >     However, no one seems to have tackled my original question 4) regarding
> > "options KVA_PAGES=n".  Care to take a stab at it?
>
> See the writeup at https://wiki.freebsd.org/ZFSTuningGuide
>
> I have not needed to make these tunings, so I cannot confirm them, but they have been out there for long enough that I suspect if they were wrong (or bad) they would have been corrected or removed.
>
> >     If ZFS has no way to prevent thrashing in that situation, then that is
> > a serious design deficiency in ZFS.
>
> Before you start making claims about ?design deficiencies? in ZFS I suggest you take a good hard look at the actual design and the criteria it was designed to fulfill. ZFS was NOT designed to be easy on drives. Nor was it designed to be easy on any of the other hardware (CPU or RAM). It WAS designed to be as fault tolerant as any physical system can be. It WAS designed to be incredibly scalable. It WAS designed to be very portable. It was NOT designed to be cheap.
>
> >     Does that then leave me with just the zvol+geli+UFS way to proceed?
> > I mean, I would love to be wealthy enough to throw thrice as many drives
> > into this setup, but I'm not.  I can get by with using a single set of drives
> > for the two purposes that need protection against device failure and silent
> > data corruption and then finding a smaller, cheaper drive or two for the
> > remaining purposes, but devoting a whole set of drives to each purpose is
> > not an option.  If ZFS really needs to be used that way, then that is another
> > serious design flaw,
>
> You seem to be annoyed that ZFS was not designed for your specific requirements. I would not say that ZFS has a ?serious design flaw? simply because it was designed for the exact configuration you need. What you need is the Oracle implementation of encryption under ZFS, which you can get by paying for it.

     Not at all.  I was commenting about something that would, in fact,
be a design flaw for any type of device- and space-management system if
it were the case.  However, we have already established elsewhere since
the time that I posted that comment that the limitation does not, in fact,
exist, so it's a non-issue anyway.


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On Aug 21, 2014, at 6:07, Scott Bennett <bennett@sdf.org> wrote:

> Paul Kraus <paul@kraus-haus.org> wrote:

>> If I had two (or more) vdevs on each device (and I *have* done that =
when I needed to), I would have issued the first zpool replace command, =
waited for it to complete and then issued the other. If I had more than =
one drive fail, I would have handled the replacement of BOTH drives on =
one zpool first and then moved on to the second. This is NOT because I =
want to be nice and easy on my drives :-), it is simply because I expect =
that running the two operations in parallel will be slower than running =
them in series. For the major reason that large seeks are slower than =
short seeks.
>=20
>     My concern was over a slightly different possible case, namely, a =
hard
> failure of a component drive (e.g., makes ugly noises, doesn't spin, =
and/or
> doesn't show up as a device recognized as such by the OS).  In that =
case,
> either one has to physically connect a replacement device or a spare =
is
> already on-line.  A spare would automatically be grabbed by a pool for
> reconstruction, so I wanted to know whether situation under discussion =
would
> result in automatically initiated rebuilds of both pools at once.

If the hot spare devices are listed in each zpool, then yes, they would =
come online as the zpools have a device fail. But =85 it is possible to =
have one zpool with a failed vdev and the other not. It depends on the =
device=92s failure mode. Bad blocks can cause ZFS to mark a vdev bad and =
need replacement while a vdev also on that physical device may not have =
bad blocks. In the case of a complete failure both zpools would start =
resilvering *if* the hot spares were listed in both. The way around this =
would be to have the spare device ready but NOT list it in the lower =
priority zpool. After the first resilver completes manually do the zpool =
replace on the second.

>> A zpool replace is not a simple copy from the failing device to the =
new one, it is a rebuild of the data on the new device, so if the device =
fails completely it just keeps rebuilding. The example in my blog was of =
a drive that just went offline with no warning. I put the new drive in =
the same physical slot (I did not have any open slots) and issued the =
resilver command.
>=20
>     Okay.  However, now you bring up another possible pitfall.  Are =
ZFS's
> drives address- or name-dependent?  All of the drives I expect to use =
will be
> external drives.  At least four of the six will be connected via USB =
3.0.  The
> other two may be connected via USB 3.0, Firewire 400, or eSATA.  In =
any case,
> their device names in /dev will most likely change from one boot to =
another.

ZFS uses the header written to the device to identify it. Note that this =
was not always the case and *if* you have a zfs cache file you *may* run =
into device renaming issues. I have not seen any, but I am also =
particularly paranoid about not moving devices around before exporting =
them. I have seen too many stories of lost zpools due to this many years =
ago on the ZFS list.

>> Tune vfs.zfs.arc_max in /boot/loader.conf
>=20
>     That looks like a huge help.  While initially loading a file =
system
> or zvol, would there be any advantage to setting primarycache to =
"metadata",
> as opposed to leaving it set to the default value of "all=94?

I do not know, but I=92m sure the folks on the ZFS list who know much =
more than I do will have opinions :-)

>> If I had less than 4GB of RAM I would limit the ARC to 1/2 RAM, =
unless this were solely a fileserver, then I would watch how much memory =
I needed outside ZFS and set the ARC to slightly less than that. Take a =
look at the recommendations here =
https://wiki.freebsd.org/ZFSTuningGuidefor low RAM situations.
>=20
>     Will do.  Hmm...I see again the recommendation to increase =
KVA_PAGES
> from 260 to 512.  I worry about that because the i386 kernel says at =
boot
> that it ignores all real memory above ~2.9 GB.  A bit farther along, =
during
> the early messages preserved and available via dmesg(1), it says,
>=20
> real memory  =3D 4294967296 (4096 MB)
> avail memory =3D 3132100608 (2987 MB)

On the FreeBSD VM I am running with only 1 GB memory I did not do any =
tuning and ZFS seems to be working fine. It is a mail store, but not a =
very large one (only about 130 GB of email). Performance is not a =
consideration on this VM, it is archival.

--
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On Aug 21, 2014, at 6:33, Scott Bennett <bennett@sdf.org> wrote:

> Paul Kraus <paul@kraus-haus.org> wrote:

>> How much does the geli encryption cost in terms of space and speed? =
Is there a strong reason to not encrypt ALL the data? It can be in =
different zfs datasets (the ZFS term for a filesystem). In fact, I am =
NOT a fan of using the base dataset that is created with every zpool; I =
always create addition zfs datasets below the root of the zpool.
>=20
>     Copying a file from one .eli partition to another can easily run =
up
> to 25% on each of two cores of a Q6600.
>     I didn't realize that there would be a "base data set"; I thought =
that
> one had to create at least one file system or zvol in a pool in order =
to
> use the space at all.

When you create a zpool you get both the zpool and a zfs dataset of the =
same name. You can use this dataset, but if I am going to be creating =
*any* other datasets in this zpool I do not. I only use hierarchical =
datasets in very specific ways as there are rules on inheritance and =
mount points. For example:

zpool create a <dev> gets you

a mounted on /a

zfs create a/b then gets you

a mounted on /a=20
a/b mounted on /a/b

You can then set the mount point to anything you wish, but unless you =
explicitly set it on a/b, b will always be mounted just under a.

I do the following:

zpool create m <dev>

m mounted on /m

zfs set mountpoint=3Dnone m

m not mounted

zfs create m/n=20

m not mounted
m/n not mounted

zfs set mounptpoint=3D/foo m/n

m not mounted
m/n mounted on /foo

>>>    How does one set a limit?  Is there an undocumented sysctl =
variable
>>> for it?
>>=20
>> $ sysctl -a | grep vfs.zfs
>>=20
>> to find all the zfs handles (not all may be tunable)
>=20
>     Are they all documented somewhere?

I have not found documentation for them, but I also have not looked =
through the source code. I am an admin and not a developer, so looking =
through the source would be of limited use for me. I expect that many of =
them map to the similar kernel parameters under Illumos (Solaris) and =
most of those that you might want to change are documented (but I do not =
recall where right now).

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On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:05:57AM -0400, Michael W. Lucas wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a default FreeBSD 10.0/amd64 install.
> 
> I'm trying to make a GELI device attach at boot. I initialized the
> partition with -b, and am prompted at boot. When I try to enter the

Hi,

I have a slightly different setup: a keyfile-only based geli partition
sitting on gmirror, loading keyfile from external usb device on boot.
I run FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE/amd64.

> My initial root partition is da0p2. The key is /boot/da1p1.key. The
> GELI partition is da1p1. Here's my loader.conf:
> 
> geom_eli_load=YES
> geli_da1p1_keyfile0_load="YES"
> geli_da1p1_keyfile0_type="da0p2:geli_da1p1_keyfile0"
> geli_da1p1_keyfile0_name="/boot/da1p1.key"
> kern.geom.eli.debug=3

Hit and miss here, but I think
geli_da1p1_keyfile0_type="da0p2:geli_da1p1_keyfile0 should be:

geli_da1p1_keyfile0_type="da1p1:geli_keyfile0

as geli_$dev_keyfile0_type="$dev:geli_keyfile0. 

$dev should read "the whole path to the device to crypt minus /dev". 

Here's my loader.conf, system is running 9.1-RELEASE:

# GEOM MIRROR is /dev/mirror/system
# GELI partition is /dev/mirror/system.eli
# / is in /dev/mirror/system.elip1
# disk0 is BIOS' idea of USB device
geom_mirror_load="YES"
geom_eli_load="YES"
vfs.root.mountfrom="ufs:/dev/mirror/system.elip1"
geli_mirror_system_keyfile0_load="YES"
geli_mirror_system_keyfile0_type="mirror/system:geli_keyfile0"
geli_mirror_system_keyfile0_name="disk0:/server.key"

I hope this could be useful.
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.... & monitor-sleep-delay (times when these features kick in) in XFCE ? 
I haven't found it yet :-/ ....


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--As of August 20, 2014 11:08:50 AM -0400, Gardner Bell is alleged to have 
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> I'm looking to replace some of my older machines that I use for dns,
> firewall, etc with low power alternatives. So far I've come across
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>
> Would anyone have some recommendations? Ideally it will have 2x GigE, COM
> port, 1U rack mountable, or a mini-pc form factor.

--As for the rest, it is mine.

I was going to recommend you take a look at <https://soekris.com/> as well; 
I just retired a soekris box that had been doing the above running OpenBSD 
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.... I just tried to install the ImageMagick suite & I got the following:



[root@kabini1, /etc, 2:38:57pm] 508 %  pkg install  ImageMagick 
ImageMagick-nox11
Updating repository catalogue
FreeBSD repository is up-to-date
All repositories are up-to-date
The following 18 packages will be affected (of 0 checked):

New packages to be INSTALLED:
         ImageMagick: 6.8.9.4_1,1
         webp: 0.4.1
         giflib-nox11: 4.2.3_3
         librsvg2: 2.36.4_2
         gtk-engines2: 2.20.2_2
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The process will require 113 MB more space
28 MB to be downloaded

Proceed with this action [y/N]: y
Fetching ImageMagick-6.8.9.4_1,1.txz: 100% of 6 MB
Fetching webp-0.4.1.txz: 100% of 276 kB
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Checking integrity... done (2 conflicting)
pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver:
cannot install package ImageMagick~graphics/ImageMagick, remove it from 
request [Y/n]:
cannot install package ImageMagick-nox11~graphics/ImageMagick-nox11, 
remove it from request [Y/n]:
Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting)
Conflicts with the existing packages have been found.
One more solver iteration is needed to resolve them.
[root@kabini1, /etc, 2:41:40pm] 509 %


.... Pilot error ? pkg bug ? Something else ? TIA for any clues ....

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On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 14:34:46 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
> .... & monitor-sleep-delay (times when these features kick in) in XFCE ? 
> I haven't found it yet :-/ ....

I think you need to install xscreensaver separately,
but it will work fine with Xfce. There's even a GUI
setup included.

Personally, I'm using xlock (port: xlockmore) which
is activated by the big fat friendly "Help" key on
the top left of my Sun keyboard. :-)



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*Booooyah* !!!! Thx :-) ....

On 08/21/14 14:45, Polytropon wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 14:34:46 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>> .... & monitor-sleep-delay (times when these features kick in) in XFCE ?
>> I haven't found it yet :-/ ....
> I think you need to install xscreensaver separately,
> but it will work fine with Xfce. There's even a GUI
> setup included.
>
> Personally, I'm using xlock (port: xlockmore) which
> is activated by the big fat friendly "Help" key on
> the top left of my Sun keyboard. :-)
>
>
>

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On Thu, 21 Aug 2014, Arthur Chance wrote:

>> I also have securelevel=2 ...
>> 
>> So, did something change with /nonexistent in FreeBSD 9, or does
>> securelevel=2 screw this up somehow ??
>
> The entire point about /nonexistent is that it is nonexistent.


The problem was the securelevel=2.

If you have securelevel=2 set, the username for an ssh tunnel cannot log 
in and set up the tunnel with a shell of /nonexistent.

I have no idea why - ssh tunnel failed with a message taht the home 
directory did not exist ... which is correct, since it shouldn't exist.

I removed the securelevel setting and it worked perfectly (the ssh 
tunnel).

I have no idea why the securelevel setting would cause this...

Any ideas ?  I would actually like to set securelevel=2, but I also need 
my ssh tunnel to work ...

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On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 1:29 PM, John Case <case@sdf.org> wrote:

> The problem was the securelevel=2.
>
> If you have securelevel=2 set, the username for an ssh tunnel cannot log in
> and set up the tunnel with a shell of /nonexistent.
>
> I have no idea why - ssh tunnel failed with a message taht the home
> directory did not exist ... which is correct, since it shouldn't exist.
>
> I removed the securelevel setting and it worked perfectly (the ssh tunnel).
>
> I have no idea why the securelevel setting would cause this...
>
> Any ideas ?  I would actually like to set securelevel=2, but I also need my
> ssh tunnel to work ...

What's the tunnel for? I.e., what sub-protocol are you using? scp? How
are you authenticating?

- M

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On Thu, 21 Aug 2014, Michael Sierchio wrote:

>> I removed the securelevel setting and it worked perfectly (the ssh tunnel).
>>
>> I have no idea why the securelevel setting would cause this...
>>
>> Any ideas ?  I would actually like to set securelevel=2, but I also need my
>> ssh tunnel to work ...
>
> What's the tunnel for? I.e., what sub-protocol are you using? scp? How
> are you authenticating?


It is sshuttle.  Super lightweight ssh tunnel app for creating a simple 
VPN.  Pretty stock, standard SSH tunnel.

Again, works perfectly if securelevel is off, complains about /nonexistent 
not being a real dir (and refuses to log in) if securelevel=2.

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On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 1:45 PM, John Case <case@sdf.org> wrote:

> It is sshuttle.  Super lightweight ssh tunnel app for creating a simple VPN.
> Pretty stock, standard SSH tunnel.
>
> Again, works perfectly if securelevel is off, complains about /nonexistent
> not being a real dir (and refuses to log in) if securelevel=2.

The SSH version level got bumped in 9.2 (IIRC) and some behavior is
different. Perhaps that's why?  PAM config for SSH?

- M

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There used to be a ruby-tk port, but I don't see it in the current ports
tree.  I looked at the Makefile in the ruby port and it specifically
sets tk aside to be built for external ports.  There doesn't appear to
be any config option to get it and no port, so how do I get it?  There
doesn't seem to be any rubygems available to install/build it, but I
might have missed one.

Thanks for any ideas.
-- 
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	Sometimes, one runs in to an amazing amount of trouble
trying to do the simplest things. I need to modify
FreeBSD-9.1-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img to enable a serial
console. It involves adding only one more line to
/boot/loader.conf. Dirt simple, right? Well, maybe. I have a
Debian system with USB ports and a virtual FreeBSD system hosted
by a Mac. The USB ports on the Mac are not passed through to the
FreeBSD VM and technical difficulties are likely to prevent me
from modifying the VirtualBox VM to set this up. No, you don't
want to hear that story.

	So, if I could mount FreeBSD-9.1-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img, read/write,
make the change, write back to the image and then copy the image
back to the Debian system, I could still accomplish what needs
to be done.
	I am sure the mount process is similar to mounting an
ISO image, but what type description goes in the -t flag?
	In all of this, I also discovered that you can't mount
the ufs file system in Debian although it almost happens. The
mount appears to work but one gets a spew of I/O errors any time
one does anything in what should be the UFS tree.
	I think I also read that if you recompile the Debian
kernel, you can mount ufs read-only which doesn't help anyway.
	This is definitely in the "For want of a nail, a shoe
was lost" department.
	Many thanks.

Martin McCormick

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On Thu, 21 Aug 2014, Martin G. McCormick wrote:

> 	Sometimes, one runs in to an amazing amount of trouble
> trying to do the simplest things. I need to modify
> FreeBSD-9.1-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img to enable a serial
> console. It involves adding only one more line to
> /boot/loader.conf. Dirt simple, right? Well, maybe. I have a
> Debian system with USB ports and a virtual FreeBSD system hosted
> by a Mac. The USB ports on the Mac are not passed through to the
> FreeBSD VM and technical difficulties are likely to prevent me
> from modifying the VirtualBox VM to set this up. No, you don't
> want to hear that story.
>
> 	So, if I could mount FreeBSD-9.1-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img, read/write,
> make the change, write back to the image and then copy the image
> back to the Debian system, I could still accomplish what needs
> to be done.
> 	I am sure the mount process is similar to mounting an
> ISO image, but what type description goes in the -t flag?

It is UFS, although Linux might call it something else.  However, the 
last time I looked, the memstick image used a "dangerously dedicated" 
bsdlabel partition, which might not be understood by non-BSD systems. 
It should be possible to skip over the bsdlabel sectors when mounting 
the filesystem, but I don't know how many blocks should be skipped.

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I know your pain. On Linux, `mount -t ufs -o ufstype=44bsd` is what you're
looking for.  This requires that your system knows how to write UFS, which
might be a problem.

A possibly easier way to do this would be to boot off the memstick, remount
root as rw, and make the change from the live memstick. I've seen some
problems reading any new/modified files created by doing this from
Linux (complains about bad inodes), but it seems to work from the BSD
perspective...

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On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Martin G. McCormick <
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>         Sometimes, one runs in to an amazing amount of trouble
> trying to do the simplest things. I need to modify
> FreeBSD-9.1-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img to enable a serial
> console. It involves adding only one more line to
> /boot/loader.conf. Dirt simple, right? Well, maybe. I have a
> Debian system with USB ports and a virtual FreeBSD system hosted
> by a Mac. The USB ports on the Mac are not passed through to the
> FreeBSD VM and technical difficulties are likely to prevent me
> from modifying the VirtualBox VM to set this up. No, you don't
> want to hear that story.
>
>         So, if I could mount FreeBSD-9.1-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img,
> read/write,
> make the change, write back to the image and then copy the image
> back to the Debian system, I could still accomplish what needs
> to be done.
>         I am sure the mount process is similar to mounting an
> ISO image, but what type description goes in the -t flag?
>         In all of this, I also discovered that you can't mount
> the ufs file system in Debian although it almost happens. The
> mount appears to work but one gets a spew of I/O errors any time
> one does anything in what should be the UFS tree.
>         I think I also read that if you recompile the Debian
> kernel, you can mount ufs read-only which doesn't help anyway.
>         This is definitely in the "For want of a nail, a shoe
> was lost" department.
>         Many thanks.
>
> Martin McCormick
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I'm as big a fan of xlock as the next guy, but `xset` sounds like what
you're looking for. `xset q` to see current settings, `xset dpms` and `xset
s` are the pertinent top-level commands to set the inactivity periods. The
man page has details.

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>
> *Booooyah* !!!! Thx :-) ....
>
> On 08/21/14 14:45, Polytropon wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 14:34:46 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>>
>>> .... & monitor-sleep-delay (times when these features kick in) in XFCE ?
>>> I haven't found it yet :-/ ....
>>>
>> I think you need to install xscreensaver separately,
>> but it will work fine with Xfce. There's even a GUI
>> setup included.
>>
>> Personally, I'm using xlock (port: xlockmore) which
>> is activated by the big fat friendly "Help" key on
>> the top left of my Sun keyboard. :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
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On Aug 21, 2014, at 21:01, Burton Sampley via freebsd-questions =
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> This issue is still unresolved.  Does anyone else have any =
suggestions?

Did you install bind 9.9 from ports or packages or build it yourself ?

I am running 10p7 with bind 9.10 installed from ports with no issues:

root@freebsd2:~ # uname -a
FreeBSD freebsd2 10.0-RELEASE-p7 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p7 #0: Tue Jul  8 =
06:37:44 UTC 2014     =
root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
root@freebsd2:~ # pkg info | grep bind
bind910-9.10.0P2_3             BIND DNS suite with updated DNSSEC and =
DNS64
root@freebsd2:~ # cat /etc/rc.conf=20
hostname=3D"FreeBSD2"
ifconfig_bge0=3D"inet snip netmask snip"
defaultrouter=3D=93snip"
zfs_enable=3D"YES"
sshd_enable=3D"YES"
ntpd_enable=3D"YES"
powerd_enable=3D"YES"
dumpdev=3D"AUTO"
named_enable=3D"YES"
dhcpd_enable=3D"YES"
#
# Disable Sendmail
sendmail_enable=3D"NO"
sendmail_submit_enable=3D"NO"
sendmail_outbound_enable=3D"NO"
sendmail_msp_queue_enable=3D"NO"
# Enable Postfix
postfix_enable=3D"YES"
root@freebsd2:~ #=20

I have extensive bind logging configured (a holdover from when I used to =
manage DNS servers for a medium size company, a few thousand users), so =
I have detailed logs in /var/log/named. You may want to configure =
logging in named.conf as I have found that syslog does not always catch =
the bind startup messages you need to troubleshoot. Try this for =
troubleshooting (add to named.conf):

logging {
        // we define channels as locations for logs to go ...
        channel "syslog" {
                syslog daemon;
                severity info;
        };
        channel "info" {
                file "/var/log/named/named.info" versions 10 size 1m;
                severity info;
                print-category yes;
                print-severity yes;
                print-time yes;
        };
        // now we define the things to log and which channel to send =
them to
        category "default" {
                syslog;
                info;
        };
};

That should put everything in both syslog and /var/log/named/named.info =
(make sure the /var/log/named directory is writable by the named user). =
You can crank the severity up to =93debug=94 on the channel (I would not =
do that on the syslog channel) for even more detailed logs.

You can also try to start named with the -f -d <n> options (from the =
command line). -f prevents to from detaching and demonizing, -d sets the =
debug level (higher numbers are more details debug info). I know your =
problem is a startup one, but I think you might find an odd error that =
is not a problem after the system has stabilized but may be an issue =
during the boot process.

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Martin G. McCormick wrote:
>	Sometimes, one runs in to an amazing amount of trouble
>trying to do the simplest things. I need to modify
>FreeBSD-9.1-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img to enable a serial
>console. It involves adding only one more line to
>/boot/loader.conf. Dirt simple, right? Well, maybe. I have a
>Debian system with USB ports and a virtual FreeBSD system hosted
>by a Mac. The USB ports on the Mac are not passed through to the
>FreeBSD VM and technical difficulties are likely to prevent me
>from modifying the VirtualBox VM to set this up. No, you don't
>want to hear that story.
>
>	So, if I could mount FreeBSD-9.1-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img, read/write,
>make the change, write back to the image and then copy the image
>back to the Debian system, I could still accomplish what needs
>to be done.
>	I am sure the mount process is similar to mounting an
>ISO image, but what type description goes in the -t flag?
>	In all of this, I also discovered that you can't mount
>the ufs file system in Debian although it almost happens. The
>mount appears to work but one gets a spew of I/O errors any time
>one does anything in what should be the UFS tree.
>	I think I also read that if you recompile the Debian
>kernel, you can mount ufs read-only which doesn't help anyway.
>	This is definitely in the "For want of a nail, a shoe
>was lost" department.
>	Many thanks.
>
>Martin McCormick

The memstick images are UFS, so on FreeBSD, you'd use "mount -t ufs".  And =
if you don't want your installation media to be mounted read-write automati=
cally, note that there's an unresolved bug affecting the memstick images:

https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D187161

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Elliot Robinson writes:
> I know your pain. On Linux, `mount -t ufs -o ufstype=44bsd` is what you're
> looking for.  This requires that your system knows how to write UFS, which
> might be a problem.
> 
> A possibly easier way to do this would be to boot off the memstick, 
> remount
> root as rw, and make the change from the live memstick. I've seen some
> problems reading any new/modified files created by doing this from
> Linux (complains about bad inodes), but it seems to work from the BSD
> perspective...

	Thank you to both posters on this topic. If I could
mount the image file on the FreeBSD system, I would do all the
editing there and then copy the modified image back to the
Debian system to dd in to the thumb drive. I actually got the
image that way to start with.
	When one uses the Linux fdisk program on the drive
afterward, it reports that there is both a BSD and DOS magic
number and advises the caller to run fdisk with the -b bsd flag.
I suspect there is a boot manager of some type that will catch
Windows systems in case somebody wants to boot off the memstick
on a Windows system.
	In this case, all I want to do is mount the image in a
native FreeBSD environment to actually do the work on adding the
comconsole line. All Linux has to do in this exercise is to feed
the new modified image back in to the memstick with dd.

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On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Martin G. McCormick <
martin@server1.shellworld.net> wrote:

> Elliot Robinson writes:
> > I know your pain. On Linux, `mount -t ufs -o ufstype=44bsd` is what
> you're
> > looking for.  This requires that your system knows how to write UFS,
> which
> > might be a problem.
> >
> > A possibly easier way to do this would be to boot off the memstick,
> > remount
> > root as rw, and make the change from the live memstick. I've seen some
> > problems reading any new/modified files created by doing this from
> > Linux (complains about bad inodes), but it seems to work from the BSD
> > perspective...
>
>         Thank you to both posters on this topic. If I could
> mount the image file on the FreeBSD system, I would do all the
> editing there and then copy the modified image back to the
> Debian system to dd in to the thumb drive. I actually got the
> image that way to start with.
>         When one uses the Linux fdisk program on the drive
> afterward, it reports that there is both a BSD and DOS magic
> number and advises the caller to run fdisk with the -b bsd flag.
> I suspect there is a boot manager of some type that will catch
> Windows systems in case somebody wants to boot off the memstick
> on a Windows system.
>         In this case, all I want to do is mount the image in a
> native FreeBSD environment to actually do the work on adding the
> comconsole line. All Linux has to do in this exercise is to feed
> the new modified image back in to the memstick with dd.
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Ah, apologies. I seem to have misunderstood the initial question.

Perhaps this section from the handbook will be of help?

https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/disks-virtual.html

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Elliot Robinson writes:
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> 
	Thank you. One of those methods should work.

Martin McCormick

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Hi everyone,

I discovered this error in dmesg this morning and i'm not sure what it 
means:

info: [drm] capturing error event; look for more information in sysctl 
hw.dri.0.info.i915_error_state
i915: render error detected, EIR: 0x00000010
   IPEIR: 0x00000000
   IPEHR: 0x01000000
   INSTDONE: 0xfffffffe
   INSTPS: 0x0001e000
   INSTDONE1: 0xffffffff
   ACTHD: 0x0320ba08
page table error
   PGTBL_ER: 0x00000002
error: [drm:pid12:i915_report_and_clear_eir] *ERROR* EIR stuck: 
0x00000010, masking

Does anyone know what this is and what I should/could do to fix it?

This system is FreeBSD 10-STABLE r269787 amd64

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On 21/08/2014 21:29, John Case wrote:
>
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2014, Arthur Chance wrote:
>
>>> I also have securelevel=2 ...
>>>
>>> So, did something change with /nonexistent in FreeBSD 9, or does
>>> securelevel=2 screw this up somehow ??
>>
>> The entire point about /nonexistent is that it is nonexistent.
>
>
> The problem was the securelevel=2.
>
> If you have securelevel=2 set, the username for an ssh tunnel cannot log
> in and set up the tunnel with a shell of /nonexistent.
>
> I have no idea why - ssh tunnel failed with a message taht the home
> directory did not exist ... which is correct, since it shouldn't exist.
>
> I removed the securelevel setting and it worked perfectly (the ssh tunnel).
>
> I have no idea why the securelevel setting would cause this...
>
> Any ideas ?  I would actually like to set securelevel=2, but I also need
> my ssh tunnel to work ...

How about setting the home directory to /var/empty? It exists but has 
the schg flag set so cannot have any entries created in it. IIRC it's 
used by various daemons that need a directory to chdir to but which 
shouldn't write to it, which sounds like your use case.


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On 22.08.2014 00:40, Carl Johnson wrote:
> There used to be a ruby-tk port, but I don't see it in the current ports
> tree.  I looked at the Makefile in the ruby port and it specifically
> sets tk aside to be built for external ports.  There doesn't appear to
> be any config option to get it and no port, so how do I get it?  There
> doesn't seem to be any rubygems available to install/build it, but I
> might have missed one.
>
> Thanks for any ideas.
Looking at FreshPorts[1]:

ruby-tk 1.9.3.448,1
BROKEN: does not build with ruby 1.9
DEPRECATED: Does not work with Ruby 1.9
This port expired on: 2013-10-10

[1]
http://www.freshports.org/search.php?stype=name&method=match&query=ruby-tk&num=10&deleted=includedeleted&orderby=category&orderbyupdown=asc&search=Search

-- 
Pozdrawiam,
Maciej Milewski


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Paul Kraus <paul@kraus-haus.org> wrote:

> On Aug 7, 2014, at 7:06, Scott Bennett <bennett@sdf.org> wrote:
>
> >     Even just as parity bits, those would amount to only one bit per
> > eight bytes, which seems inadequate.  OTOH, the 520 bytes thing is
> > tickling something in my memory that I can't quite seem to recover, and
> > I don't know (or can't remember) what else those eight bytes might be
> > used for.  In any case, at the time I spoke with the guy at Seagate/Samsung,
> > I was unaware of the server grade vs.  non-server grade distinction, so I
> > didn't know to ask him anything about whether silent errors should be
> > accepted as "normal" for the server grade of disks.
>
> Take a look at the manufacturer data sheets for this drives. All of the ones that I have looked at over the past ten years have included the ?uncorrectable error rate? and it is generally 1 in 10e-14 for ?consumer grade drives? and 1 in 1e-15 for ?enterprise grade drives?. That right there shows the order of magnitude difference in this error rate between consumer and enterprise drives.

     I'll assume you meant the reciprocals of those ratios or possibly even
1/10 of the reciprocals. ;-)  What I'm seeing here is ~2 KB of errors out
of ~1.1TB, which is an error rate (in bytes, not bits) of ~1.82e+09, and the
majority of the erroneous bytes I looked at had multibit errors.  I consider
that to be a huge change in the actual device error rates, specs be damned.
     While I was out of town, I came across a trade magazine article that
said that as the areal density of bits approaches the theoretical limit for
the recording technology currently in production, the error rate climbs ever
more steeply, and that the drives larger than 1 TB are now making that effect
easily demonstrable. :-(  The article went on to describe superficially a new
recording technology due to appear on the mass market in 2015 that will allow
much higher bit densities, while drastically improving the error rate (at
least until densities eventually close in on that technology's limit).  So
it may turn out that next year consumers will begin to move past the hump in
error rates and will find that hardware RAID will have become acceptably safe
once again.  The description of the new recording technology looked like a
really spiffed up version of the magneto-optical disks of the 1990s.  In the
meantime, though, the current crops of large-capacity disks apparently
require software solutions like ZFS to preserve data integrity.
>
> The reason no one even discussed it prior to the appearance of 1TB drives is that over the life of a less than 1TB drive you are statistically almost assured of NOT running into it. It was still there, but no one wrote/read enough data over the life of the drive to hit it.

     That sounds reasonable, but it doesn't account for the error rates I'm
seeing.
>
> On the other hand, I am willing to bet that many of the ?random? systems crashes (and Windows BSOD) were caused by this issue. A hard disk returned a single bit error in a bad place and the system crashed.

     Quite possibly so, I'd say.
>
> Note that all disk drives include some amount of error checking, even as far back as the 10MB MFM drives of the 1980?s. Anyone remember having to manually manage the ?Bad block list? ? Those were blocks that were so bad that the error correction could not fix them. But, as far as I can tell, the uncorrectable errors have always been with us, we just did not not see them.
>
     I remember hearing about it, but I was safely tucked away on minicomputers
and a mainframe at that point.  As I wrote before, an unrecoverable single-bit
error resulted in a bad sector reassignment by a human or, as was the policy
where I worked at the time, replacement of the disk pack by the vendor.  The
smallest drive on any pee cee that I used was 20 MB with an average seek time
of 68 ms, IIRC.  Even that 4 MHz 8088 had to cool its heels for long stretches
of time with that drive.  Fortunately for me, I didn't have to use that
machine for work, but rather for an applied microclimatology course I was
taking at the time.


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On Aug 22, 2014, at 5:40, Scott Bennett <bennett@sdf.org> wrote:

> Paul Kraus <paul@kraus-haus.org> wrote:

>> Take a look at the manufacturer data sheets for this drives. All of =
the ones that I have looked at over the past ten years have included the =
?uncorrectable error rate? and it is generally 1 in 10e-14 for ?consumer =
grade drives? and 1 in 1e-15 for ?enterprise grade drives?. That right =
there shows the order of magnitude difference in this error rate between =
consumer and enterprise drives.
>=20
>     I'll assume you meant the reciprocals of those ratios or possibly =
even
> 1/10 of the reciprocals. ;-)

Uhhh, yeah, my bad.

>  What I'm seeing here is ~2 KB of errors out
> of ~1.1TB, which is an error rate (in bytes, not bits) of ~1.82e+09, =
and the
> majority of the erroneous bytes I looked at had multibit errors.  I =
consider
> that to be a huge change in the actual device error rates, specs be =
damned.

That seems like a very high error rate. Is the drive reporting those =
errors or are they getting past the drive=92s error correction and =
showing up as checksum errors in ZFS ? A drive that is throwing that =
many errors is clearly defective or dying.

>     While I was out of town, I came across a trade magazine article =
that
> said that as the areal density of bits approaches the theoretical =
limit for
> the recording technology currently in production, the error rate =
climbs ever
> more steeply, and that the drives larger than 1 TB are now making that =
effect
> easily demonstrable. :-(

It took perpendicular recording to make >1TB drives possible at all.=20

>  The article went on to describe superficially a new
> recording technology due to appear on the mass market in 2015 that =
will allow
> much higher bit densities, while drastically improving the error rate =
(at
> least until densities eventually close in on that technology's limit). =
 So
> it may turn out that next year consumers will begin to move past the =
hump in
> error rates and will find that hardware RAID will have become =
acceptably safe
> once again.  The description of the new recording technology looked =
like a
> really spiffed up version of the magneto-optical disks of the 1990s.  =
In the
> meantime, though, the current crops of large-capacity disks apparently
> require software solutions like ZFS to preserve data integrity.

I do not know the root cause of the uncorrectable errors, but they seem =
to vary with product line and not capacity. Whether that means the =
Enterprise drives with the order of magnitude better uncorrectable error =
rate has better coatings on the platters or better heads or better =
electronics or better QC I do not know. So I don=92t know how mud this =
new technology will effect those errors.

--
Paul Kraus
paul@kraus-haus.org


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I just tried to install some stuff using pkg & got the following:


[root@kabini1, /etc, 10:47:58am] 551 %  pkg install enscript-a4-1.6.6_1  
enscript-letter-1.6.6_1 enscript-letterdj-1.6.6_1  enscriptfonts-0.81_1 
zh-enscript-a4-1.6.6_1
Updating repository catalogue
FreeBSD repository is up-to-date
All repositories are up-to-date
The following 11 packages will be affected (of 0 checked):

New packages to be INSTALLED:
         enscript-a4: 1.6.6_1
         enscript-letter: 1.6.6_1
         enscript-letterdj: 1.6.6_1
         enscriptfonts: 0.81_1
         zh-enscript-a4: 1.6.6_1
         ghostscript9: 9.06_7
         libpaper: 1.1.24_2
         cups-image: 1.7.3_1
         svgalib: 1.4.3_7
         jbig2dec: 0.11_2
         zh-ttfm: 0.9.5_5

The process will require 51 MB more space
2 MB to be downloaded

Proceed with this action [y/N]: y
Fetching enscript-a4-1.6.6_1.txz: 100% of 315 kB
Fetching enscript-letter-1.6.6_1.txz: 100% of 316 kB
Fetching enscript-letterdj-1.6.6_1.txz: 100% of 316 kB
Fetching enscriptfonts-0.81_1.txz: 100% of 1 MB
Fetching zh-enscript-a4-1.6.6_1.txz: 100% of 316 kB
Fetching zh-ttfm-0.9.5_5.txz: 100% of 27 kB
Checking integrity... done (3 conflicting)
pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver:
cannot install package enscript-a4~print/enscript-a4, remove it from 
request [Y/n]: y
cannot install package enscript-letter~print/enscript-letter, remove it 
from request [Y/n]: y
Checking integrity... done (1 conflicting)
pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver:
cannot install package enscript-letterdj~print/enscript-letterdj, remove 
it from request [Y/n]: y
cannot install package zh-enscript-a4~chinese/enscript, remove it from 
request [Y/n]: y
Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting)
Conflicts with the existing packages have been found.
One more solver iteration is needed to resolve them.
The following 1 packages will be affected (of 0 checked):

New packages to be INSTALLED:
         enscriptfonts: 0.81_1

The process will require 3 MB more space

Proceed with this action [y/N]:
[root@kabini1, /etc, 10:49:18am] 552 %


Pilot error ? pkg bug ? C'mon, enquiring minds wanna know ;-) ....


-- 

	William A. Mahaffey III

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2014 12:36:29 -0500
William A. Mahaffey III wrote:


> None of the SSD's are/will be as durable as spinning drives for
> writes .... That said, the SLC type are more durable than MLC or
> TLC .... Also more $$$$ & usually only available in smaller sizes.
> Good for a root drive, i.e. mostly read-olny operations. Swap &
> everything else on spinning platters ....

A typical modern 120GB MLC SSD will have a specified write endurance of
around 8TB which is equivalent to  1GB a day for 22 years. They should
be fine for most things where there's nothing doing heavy duty writing.

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Maciej Milewski <milu@dat.pl> writes:

> On 22.08.2014 00:40, Carl Johnson wrote:
>> There used to be a ruby-tk port, but I don't see it in the current ports
>> tree.  I looked at the Makefile in the ruby port and it specifically
>> sets tk aside to be built for external ports.  There doesn't appear to
>> be any config option to get it and no port, so how do I get it?  There
>> doesn't seem to be any rubygems available to install/build it, but I
>> might have missed one.
>>
>> Thanks for any ideas.
> Looking at FreshPorts[1]:
>
> ruby-tk 1.9.3.448,1
> BROKEN: does not build with ruby 1.9
> DEPRECATED: Does not work with Ruby 1.9
> This port expired on: 2013-10-10
>
> [1]
> http://www.freshports.org/search.php?stype=name&method=match&query=ruby-tk&num=10&deleted=includedeleted&orderby=category&orderbyupdown=asc&search=Search

Thanks, I keep forgetting to check FreshPorts, and didn't realize that
it would show deleted ports.  I am running ruby-tk on Debian linux, so I
guess I need to look into how to patch it to work on FreeBSD. 

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On 22/08/2014 17:01, RW wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2014 12:36:29 -0500
> William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
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>
>> None of the SSD's are/will be as durable as spinning drives for
>> writes .... That said, the SLC type are more durable than MLC or
>> TLC .... Also more $$$$ & usually only available in smaller sizes.
>> Good for a root drive, i.e. mostly read-olny operations. Swap &
>> everything else on spinning platters ....
>
> A typical modern 120GB MLC SSD will have a specified write endurance of
> around 8TB which is equivalent to  1GB a day for 22 years. They should
> be fine for most things where there's nothing doing heavy duty writing.

The stated write endurances appear to be very conservative as well. The 
Tech Report web site has been hammering a variety of SSDs and only 
started getting actual failures after the 600TB mark, with some still 
working after 1PB of writes.

http://techreport.com/review/26523/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-casualties-on-the-way-to-a-petabyte

YMMV of course.

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2014, RW wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Aug 2014 12:36:29 -0500
> William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
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>> None of the SSD's are/will be as durable as spinning drives for
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>> TLC .... Also more $$$$ & usually only available in smaller sizes.
>> Good for a root drive, i.e. mostly read-olny operations. Swap &
>> everything else on spinning platters ....
>
> A typical modern 120GB MLC SSD will have a specified write endurance of
> around 8TB which is equivalent to  1GB a day for 22 years. They should
> be fine for most things where there's nothing doing heavy duty writing.

I sort of understand that - but does the SSD have the ability to move 
unchanged data around to even out the wear? That is, if I fill the drive 
with 100GB of never changing files, and then write lots of frequently 
changing files to the last 20GB, does this put all the wear on a small 
portion of the drive, while most of the drive suffers no wear at all? 
Maybe I should do a full backup and restore once a year?

Daniel Feenberg

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Hello,

how can I disable multiqueue on NICs? I have problem, that after change of =
broken hardware interrupts connection of clients. I have 2 NICs igb and nat=
 over pf. Client starts download and for some while connections interrupts =
and start again.

Hardware is the same, but there is new NIC on board which supports multique=
ue so I think that this must be the problem.

Thank you
Radek


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On 8/22/2014 12:58 PM, Radek Krejča wrote:
> Hello,
>
> how can I disable multiqueue on NICs? I have problem, that after change of broken hardware interrupts connection of clients. I have 2 NICs igb and nat over pf. Client starts download and for some while connections interrupts and start again.
>
> Hardware is the same, but there is new NIC on board which supports multiqueue so I think that this must be the problem.

If you suspect that as the case, try

hw.igb.enable_msix=0

in /boot/loader.conf

	---Mike


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> On Aug 22, 2014, at 8:01, RW <rwmaillists@googlemail.com> wrote:
>=20
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2014 12:36:29 -0500
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>=20
>=20
>> None of the SSD's are/will be as durable as spinning drives for
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>> Good for a root drive, i.e. mostly read-olny operations. Swap &
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>=20
> A typical modern 120GB MLC SSD will have a specified write endurance of
> around 8TB which is equivalent to  1GB a day for 22 years. They should
> be fine for most things where there's nothing doing heavy duty writing.
>=20

This sounds about right.  I've burned out (3) SSD drives in the last year, b=
ut I'm pushing around 400-800 MB/s sustained random read/write 24/7 (about 4=
0GB/day) on a PCIe SSD drive.=

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On 22-08-2014, Fri [18:58:09], Radek Krejča wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> how can I disable multiqueue on NICs? I have problem, that after change of broken hardware interrupts connection of clients. I have 2 NICs igb and nat over pf. Client starts download and for some while connections interrupts and start again.
> 
> Hardware is the same, but there is new NIC on board which supports multiqueue so I think that this must be the problem.
> 
> Thank you
> Radek
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A couple of things I'd check:

- possibility of broken cable/card;
- tcpdump/wireshark to tell what's going on exactly with your sessions. In case of TCP RST - Which side disrupts the connection.


Cheers!

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On Aug 22, 2014, at 12:41, Daniel Feenberg <feenberg@nber.org> wrote:

> I sort of understand that - but does the SSD have the ability to move =
unchanged data around to even out the wear? That is, if I fill the drive =
with 100GB of never changing files, and then write lots of frequently =
changing files to the last 20GB, does this put all the wear on a small =
portion of the drive, while most of the drive suffers no wear at all? =
Maybe I should do a full backup and restore once a year?

Keep in mind that location is not a physical parameter in an SSD. Better =
(all today ?) SSD=92s do wear leveling where writes are committed to the =
cells that have the lowest write counts. Remember, writes count towards =
wear out while I do not think reads do. So an SSD that has write once =
data (and archive), should never wear out.

So it does not matter where within the block range you write, the SSD =
puts it where it wants :-)

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Elliot Robinson writes:
> Ah, apologies. I seem to have misunderstood the initial question.
> 
> Perhaps this section from the handbook will be of help?
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> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/disks-virtual.html
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> ---
	This works. I mounted the memstick image file according
to the instructions for mounting a file system. The handbook
also gives you instructions for what to add to loader.conf.
	After making the modification and unmounting /mnt, I
scp'd the new image back to the Debian system and then to the
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	Thanks for the help, everyone.

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Good morning, dear FreeBSD enthusiasts. I am attempting to install a
wireless network interface circuit on a computer running FreeBSD 9.1. I
have read the very thorough instructions written by Messrs. Marc
Fonvielle and Murray Stokely in the currently posted Chapter 30 of the
FreeBSD Handbook. I did not find in that chapter a specification of the
version or versions of FreeBSD to which it applied. The circuit board is
manufactured by T-LInk, and uses an Atheros integrated circuit I have
followed as closely as possible those instuctions, to no avail. The
printed circuit board is located at slot 4. About it, dmesg.boot reads
only the following: pci40: <network> at device 0.0 (no driver attached).
My interpretation of this message is that the operating system sees that
there is a circuit board in slot 4, and that it has something to do with
networking, and otherwise knows nothing about it. I have checked the
/dev directory, and find listed in it none of the driver files mentioned
in Chapter 30. I had expected to receive error messages for lines in the
configuration files calling for driver files that could not be located,
but the only error message generated was "SYNCDHCP not found." This line
does not occur in dmesg.boot, but in response to the command (I forgot
which command). How do I obtain and install the missing driver files?
Why does the fact that they are missing not generate error notices? Any
and all comments are appreciated. If these questions have already been
answered many times before, please do not flame me. Just let me know
where I should have looked for the answers. Thank you. Lee 
 
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 12:41:57 -0400 (EDT)
Daniel Feenberg wrote:


> > A typical modern 120GB MLC SSD will have a specified write
> > endurance of around 8TB which is equivalent to  1GB a day for 22
> > years. They should be fine for most things where there's nothing
> > doing heavy duty writing.
> 
> I sort of understand that - but does the SSD have the ability to move 
> unchanged data around to even out the wear? 

It's called static wear-levelling. I think it's the norm on enterprise
grade SSDs, but it's rarely mentioned in the specs of domestic grade
drives.


> That is, if I fill the
> drive with 100GB of never changing files, and then write lots of
> frequently changing files to the last 20GB, does this put all the
> wear on a small portion of the drive, while most of the drive suffers
> no wear at all?

Without static wear-levelling it's advisable to leave a sizeable
fraction of the drive unused. With trim support that can be inside the
filesystem, without it the partitioning should not fill the whole drive.

OS files tend to get deleted several times a year during updates, so
they aren't so much of a problem, if you have trim support.

BTW GELI doesn't support trim, so you have to have some free space
outside an encrypted partition. 

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leeoliveshackelford@surewest.net wrote:

>  
> 
> Good morning, dear FreeBSD enthusiasts. I am attempting to install a
> wireless network interface circuit on a computer running FreeBSD 9.1. I
> have read the very thorough instructions written by Messrs. Marc
> Fonvielle and Murray Stokely in the currently posted Chapter 30 of the
> FreeBSD Handbook. I did not find in that chapter a specification of the
> version or versions of FreeBSD to which it applied. The circuit board is
> manufactured by T-LInk, and uses an Atheros integrated circuit I have
> followed as closely as possible those instuctions, to no avail. The
> printed circuit board is located at slot 4. About it, dmesg.boot reads
> only the following: pci40: <network> at device 0.0 (no driver attached).
> My interpretation of this message is that the operating system sees that
> there is a circuit board in slot 4, and that it has something to do with
> networking, and otherwise knows nothing about it. I have checked the
> /dev directory, and find listed in it none of the driver files mentioned
> in Chapter 30. I had expected to receive error messages for lines in the
> configuration files calling for driver files that could not be located,
> but the only error message generated was "SYNCDHCP not found." This line
> does not occur in dmesg.boot, but in response to the command (I forgot
> which command). How do I obtain and install the missing driver files?
> Why does the fact that they are missing not generate error notices? Any
> and all comments are appreciated. If these questions have already been
> answered many times before, please do not flame me. Just let me know
> where I should have looked for the answers. Thank you. Lee
>  

I have essentially no experience with wifi in FreeBSD so I can't really help 
you directly except to suggest doing pciconf -lv and check to see if it will 
list specific hardware details about the wifi card. No need to post all the 
output, just the section pertaining to the wifi card will suffice. 

This info may assist others in determining if/how they may be able to help 
you.

-Mike




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Hi,

Has any one used a Qlogic 2560 in Freebsd 9.2/9.3?

I=92m getting messages;

isp0: <Qlogic ISP 2532 PCI FC-AL Adapter> port 0xe000-0xe0ff mem =
0xf7440000-0xf7443fff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci1
isp0: setting role to 0x1
isp0: Mailbox Command 'INIT FIRMWARE' failed (COMMAND PARAMETER ERROR)

Am I SOL using the Qlogic 8Gb variant?

The 2460 works fine, however is 4Gb.

- aurf

"Janitorial Services"


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Had to add some isp fromage in the loader.conf.

All good.

Sorry for the spam.

- aurf

"Janitorial Services"

On Aug 22, 2014, at 12:32 PM, aurfalien <aurfalien@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>=20
> Has any one used a Qlogic 2560 in Freebsd 9.2/9.3?
>=20
> I=92m getting messages;
>=20
> isp0: <Qlogic ISP 2532 PCI FC-AL Adapter> port 0xe000-0xe0ff mem =
0xf7440000-0xf7443fff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci1
> isp0: setting role to 0x1
> isp0: Mailbox Command 'INIT FIRMWARE' failed (COMMAND PARAMETER ERROR)
>=20
> Am I SOL using the Qlogic 8Gb variant?
>=20
> The 2460 works fine, however is 4Gb.
>=20
> - aurf
>=20
> "Janitorial Services"
>=20


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On 22-08-2014, Fri [12:00:47], leeoliveshackelford@surewest.net wrote:
>  
> 
> Good morning, dear FreeBSD enthusiasts. I am attempting to install a
> wireless network interface circuit on a computer running FreeBSD 9.1. I
> have read the very thorough instructions written by Messrs. Marc
> Fonvielle and Murray Stokely in the currently posted Chapter 30 of the
> FreeBSD Handbook. I did not find in that chapter a specification of the
> version or versions of FreeBSD to which it applied. The circuit board is
> manufactured by T-LInk, and uses an Atheros integrated circuit I have
> followed as closely as possible those instuctions, to no avail. The
> printed circuit board is located at slot 4. About it, dmesg.boot reads
> only the following: pci40: <network> at device 0.0 (no driver attached).
> My interpretation of this message is that the operating system sees that
> there is a circuit board in slot 4, and that it has something to do with
> networking, and otherwise knows nothing about it. I have checked the
> /dev directory, and find listed in it none of the driver files mentioned
> in Chapter 30. I had expected to receive error messages for lines in the
> configuration files calling for driver files that could not be located,
> but the only error message generated was "SYNCDHCP not found." This line
> does not occur in dmesg.boot, but in response to the command (I forgot
> which command). How do I obtain and install the missing driver files?
> Why does the fact that they are missing not generate error notices? Any
> and all comments are appreciated. If these questions have already been
> answered many times before, please do not flame me. Just let me know
> where I should have looked for the answers. Thank you. Lee 
>  

It looks like your particular device is not being recognized.
You may check ath(4) man page, it might give you some hints how to run your card.


--
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I started with FreeBSD-9.1-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img, added
loader.conf to get a serial console and then used dd to put the
new image on to a thumb drive.
	We tried it on a brand new Dell server with no previous
operating system. This server uses EFI instead of BIOS-type
booting. The thumb drive was in the boot order and the system
saw it, so to speak, but it can't boot from it. We also tried
the drive on several laptops and work stations and none of them
ever booted FreeBSD.
	The only thing I did to the image was the addition of
the loader.conf file in /boot. In the pristine image, there is
no loader.conf file, but this problem is more a failure to
launch. The system sees the drive and could boot if it liked
what it saw but it doesn't attempt to even start to boot.

	I created the drive image by:

dd if=FreeBSD-9.1-RELEASE-amd64-memstick-headless.img of=/dev/sdb
Of course, /dev/sdb was what it happened to be on this computer
but all that appeared to go perfectly. It just doesn't boot.

Martin McCormick

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 12:00:47 -0700, leeoliveshackelford@surewest.net wrote:
> Good morning, dear FreeBSD enthusiasts. I am attempting to install a
> wireless network interface circuit on a computer running FreeBSD 9.1. I
> have read the very thorough instructions written by Messrs. Marc
> Fonvielle and Murray Stokely in the currently posted Chapter 30 of the
> FreeBSD Handbook. I did not find in that chapter a specification of the
> version or versions of FreeBSD to which it applied.

The instructions are quite generic. The only specific name
that you need to adjust is the driver for your actual hardware.



> The circuit board is
> manufactured by T-LInk, and uses an Atheros integrated circuit

Check the output of the

	# pciconf -lv

command to precisely see what hardware you have. Usually the
correct driver will be mentioned. See the manpage of that driver
for what chipsets or models it will support I don't have access
to any WLAN hardware at the moment to I can't post an example,
but it should be something like this:

	xl0@pci0:0:10:0:        class=0x020000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x905010b7 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00
	    vendor     = '3COM Corp, Networking Division'
	    device     = 'Fast Etherlink XL PCI 10/100 (3C905B - Combo)'
	    class      = network
	    subclass   = ethernet

In this case, "man xl" would be the manpage to examine. Note that
this is an example from a wired NIC.

Atheros chipsets will mostly work with the "ath" driver.
By T-Link, you mean TP-Link? Or D-Link? What is the _exact_
brand name and model of the hardware in question?

http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.1R/hardware.html#WLAN

Is it on that list?



> I have
> followed as closely as possible those instuctions, to no avail.

Can you provide more information about what you did? What
entries did you add to the relevant files (/boot/loader.conf
and /etc/rc.conf, as well as /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf, if it
should matter)?



> The
> printed circuit board is located at slot 4. About it, dmesg.boot reads
> only the following: pci40: <network> at device 0.0 (no driver attached).

This seems to indicate that no driver is being loaded. Either
you did not have the kernel load the correct driver, or there
is no driver available. With the "pci40" information, check
the pciconf output again.



> My interpretation of this message is that the operating system sees that
> there is a circuit board in slot 4, and that it has something to do with
> networking, and otherwise knows nothing about it.

Correct. Loading the appropriate driver is either done by the
kernel (if it has been compiled with all required drivers) or
by a loadable module, which has been specified in /boot/loader.conf
to be loaded along with the kernel.



> I have checked the
> /dev directory, and find listed in it none of the driver files mentioned
> in Chapter 30.

Those device files will be created by the driver.



> I had expected to receive error messages for lines in the
> configuration files calling for driver files that could not be located,
> but the only error message generated was "SYNCDHCP not found."

This looks like a syntax error in /etc/rc.conf, I'd say. Can
you quote the lines you added?



> This line
> does not occur in dmesg.boot, but in response to the command (I forgot
> which command).

The error is in relation to ifconfig, the control program for
network interfaces. The dmesg.boot file typically contains kernel
messages.



> How do I obtain and install the missing driver files?

You need to know which driver you have to load for this hardware.
Usually drivers are provided by the operating system, but they
are not loaded "as a wild guess".



> Why does the fact that they are missing not generate error notices?

If you decide not to attach some hardware, the OS won't complain. :-)





-- 
Polytropon
Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
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On 22/08/2014 16:51, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>=20
>=20
> I just tried to install some stuff using pkg & got the following:
>=20
>=20
> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:47:58am] 551 %  pkg install enscript-a4-1.6.6_1=
=20
> enscript-letter-1.6.6_1 enscript-letterdj-1.6.6_1  enscriptfonts-0.81_1=

> zh-enscript-a4-1.6.6_1
> Updating repository catalogue
> FreeBSD repository is up-to-date
> All repositories are up-to-date
> The following 11 packages will be affected (of 0 checked):
>=20
> New packages to be INSTALLED:
>         enscript-a4: 1.6.6_1
>         enscript-letter: 1.6.6_1
>         enscript-letterdj: 1.6.6_1
>         enscriptfonts: 0.81_1
>         zh-enscript-a4: 1.6.6_1
>         ghostscript9: 9.06_7
>         libpaper: 1.1.24_2
>         cups-image: 1.7.3_1
>         svgalib: 1.4.3_7
>         jbig2dec: 0.11_2
>         zh-ttfm: 0.9.5_5
>=20
> The process will require 51 MB more space
> 2 MB to be downloaded
>=20
> Proceed with this action [y/N]: y
> Fetching enscript-a4-1.6.6_1.txz: 100% of 315 kB
> Fetching enscript-letter-1.6.6_1.txz: 100% of 316 kB
> Fetching enscript-letterdj-1.6.6_1.txz: 100% of 316 kB
> Fetching enscriptfonts-0.81_1.txz: 100% of 1 MB
> Fetching zh-enscript-a4-1.6.6_1.txz: 100% of 316 kB
> Fetching zh-ttfm-0.9.5_5.txz: 100% of 27 kB
> Checking integrity... done (3 conflicting)
> pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver:
> cannot install package enscript-a4~print/enscript-a4, remove it from
> request [Y/n]: y
> cannot install package enscript-letter~print/enscript-letter, remove it=

> from request [Y/n]: y
> Checking integrity... done (1 conflicting)
> pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver:
> cannot install package enscript-letterdj~print/enscript-letterdj, remov=
e
> it from request [Y/n]: y
> cannot install package zh-enscript-a4~chinese/enscript, remove it from
> request [Y/n]: y
> Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting)
> Conflicts with the existing packages have been found.
> One more solver iteration is needed to resolve them.
> The following 1 packages will be affected (of 0 checked):
>=20
> New packages to be INSTALLED:
>         enscriptfonts: 0.81_1
>=20
> The process will require 3 MB more space
>=20
> Proceed with this action [y/N]:
> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:49:18am] 552 %
>=20
>=20
> Pilot error ? pkg bug ? C'mon, enquiring minds wanna know ;-) ....
>=20
>=20

Pilot error.  You are trying to install packages that directly conflict
with each other -- ie there are files they more than one of them claims
ownership of.  That doesn't work, and the packaging system quite
sensibly stops you doing that.

	Matthew

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Hmmmmmm ....OK, but I don't think it tells me which pkgs conflict w/ 
which other pkgs (which may or may not help anything :-/) ....


On 08/23/14 03:24, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> On 22/08/2014 16:51, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>>
>> I just tried to install some stuff using pkg & got the following:
>>
>>
>> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:47:58am] 551 %  pkg install enscript-a4-1.6.6_1
>> enscript-letter-1.6.6_1 enscript-letterdj-1.6.6_1  enscriptfonts-0.81_1
>> zh-enscript-a4-1.6.6_1
>> Updating repository catalogue
>> FreeBSD repository is up-to-date
>> All repositories are up-to-date
>> The following 11 packages will be affected (of 0 checked):
>>
>> New packages to be INSTALLED:
>>          enscript-a4: 1.6.6_1
>>          enscript-letter: 1.6.6_1
>>          enscript-letterdj: 1.6.6_1
>>          enscriptfonts: 0.81_1
>>          zh-enscript-a4: 1.6.6_1
>>          ghostscript9: 9.06_7
>>          libpaper: 1.1.24_2
>>          cups-image: 1.7.3_1
>>          svgalib: 1.4.3_7
>>          jbig2dec: 0.11_2
>>          zh-ttfm: 0.9.5_5
>>
>> The process will require 51 MB more space
>> 2 MB to be downloaded
>>
>> Proceed with this action [y/N]: y
>> Fetching enscript-a4-1.6.6_1.txz: 100% of 315 kB
>> Fetching enscript-letter-1.6.6_1.txz: 100% of 316 kB
>> Fetching enscript-letterdj-1.6.6_1.txz: 100% of 316 kB
>> Fetching enscriptfonts-0.81_1.txz: 100% of 1 MB
>> Fetching zh-enscript-a4-1.6.6_1.txz: 100% of 316 kB
>> Fetching zh-ttfm-0.9.5_5.txz: 100% of 27 kB
>> Checking integrity... done (3 conflicting)
>> pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver:
>> cannot install package enscript-a4~print/enscript-a4, remove it from
>> request [Y/n]: y
>> cannot install package enscript-letter~print/enscript-letter, remove it
>> from request [Y/n]: y
>> Checking integrity... done (1 conflicting)
>> pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver:
>> cannot install package enscript-letterdj~print/enscript-letterdj, remove
>> it from request [Y/n]: y
>> cannot install package zh-enscript-a4~chinese/enscript, remove it from
>> request [Y/n]: y
>> Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting)
>> Conflicts with the existing packages have been found.
>> One more solver iteration is needed to resolve them.
>> The following 1 packages will be affected (of 0 checked):
>>
>> New packages to be INSTALLED:
>>          enscriptfonts: 0.81_1
>>
>> The process will require 3 MB more space
>>
>> Proceed with this action [y/N]:
>> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:49:18am] 552 %
>>
>>
>> Pilot error ? pkg bug ? C'mon, enquiring minds wanna know ;-) ....
>>
>>
> Pilot error.  You are trying to install packages that directly conflict
> with each other -- ie there are files they more than one of them claims
> ownership of.  That doesn't work, and the packaging system quite
> sensibly stops you doing that.
>
> 	Matthew
>

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I try a cut-down install & I get:

[root@kabini1, /etc, 6:42:11am] 559 %  pkg install enscript-a4-1.6.6_1 
enscript-letter-1.6.6_1
Updating repository catalogue
FreeBSD repository is up-to-date
All repositories are up-to-date
Checking integrity... done (1 conflicting)
pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver:
cannot install package enscript-a4~print/enscript-a4, remove it from 
request [Y/n]:
cannot install package enscript-letter~print/enscript-letter, remove it 
from request [Y/n]:
Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting)
The most recent version of packages are already installed
[root@kabini1, /etc, 6:42:25am] 560 %


However, apropos enscript shows nothing & find shows:


[root@kabini1, /etc, 6:43:28am] 565 %  find / -maxdepth 5  -name 
\*nscript\* -exec ls -ltrF {} +
-rw-r--r--  1 wam   users  1628160 Mar  3  2002 
/home/wam/tardist/fw_enscript-1.6.1.tardist
-rw-------  1 wam   users      152 Dec 14  2010 
/home/wam/README.enscript.txt
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   323336 Jul 18 06:35 
/var/cache/pkg/enscript-a4-1.6.6_1-b04a15e3c3.txz
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   323624 Jul 18 11:29 
/var/cache/pkg/enscript-letter-1.6.6_1-9dc2065076.txz
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  1234796 Jul 18 17:22 
/var/cache/pkg/enscriptfonts-0.81_1-7c27ae9193.txz
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   323616 Jul 19 00:18 
/var/cache/pkg/enscript-letterdj-1.6.6_1-0dcec44f42.txz
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   324412 Aug  7 10:45 
/var/cache/pkg/zh-enscript-a4-1.6.6_1-44444618ae.txz
lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel       34 Aug 22 10:48 
/var/cache/pkg/enscript-a4-1.6.6_1.txz@ -> 
enscript-a4-1.6.6_1-b04a15e3c3.txz
lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel       38 Aug 22 10:48 
/var/cache/pkg/enscript-letter-1.6.6_1.txz@ -> 
enscript-letter-1.6.6_1-9dc2065076.txz
lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel       40 Aug 22 10:48 
/var/cache/pkg/enscript-letterdj-1.6.6_1.txz@ -> 
enscript-letterdj-1.6.6_1-0dcec44f42.txz
lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel       35 Aug 22 10:48 
/var/cache/pkg/enscriptfonts-0.81_1.txz@ -> 
enscriptfonts-0.81_1-7c27ae9193.txz
lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel       37 Aug 22 10:48 
/var/cache/pkg/zh-enscript-a4-1.6.6_1.txz@ -> 
zh-enscript-a4-1.6.6_1-44444618ae.txz

/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/p5-Tk-Enscript:
total 16
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  272 Jul 10 17:03 pkg-plist
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  110 Jul 10 17:03 pkg-descr
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  138 Jul 10 17:03 distinfo
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  497 Jul 10 17:03 Makefile

/usr/ports/chinese/enscript:
total 12
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  409 Jul 10 17:03 pkg-message
drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  512 Jul 10 17:03 files/
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  731 Jul 10 17:03 Makefile

/usr/ports/print/enscriptfonts:
total 24
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  8125 Jul 10 17:04 pkg-plist
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   353 Jul 10 17:04 pkg-descr
drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel   512 Jul 10 17:04 files/
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   141 Jul 10 17:04 distinfo
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   752 Jul 10 17:04 Makefile

/usr/ports/print/enscript-letterdj:
total 4
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  287 Jul 10 17:04 Makefile

/usr/ports/print/nenscript:
total 20
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  100 Jul 10 17:04 pkg-plist
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  743 Jul 10 17:04 pkg-descr
drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  512 Jul 10 17:04 files/
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  141 Jul 10 17:04 distinfo
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  731 Jul 10 17:04 Makefile

/usr/ports/print/enscript-letter:
total 20
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  3574 Jul 10 17:04 pkg-plist
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   379 Jul 10 17:04 pkg-descr
drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel   512 Jul 10 17:04 files/
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   137 Jul 10 17:04 distinfo
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   862 Jul 10 17:04 Makefile

/usr/ports/print/enscript-a4:
total 4
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  275 Jul 10 17:04 Makefile

/usr/ports/sysutils/bsdadminscripts:
total 20
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   453 Jul 10 17:04 pkg-plist
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   386 Jul 10 17:04 pkg-descr
drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel   512 Jul 10 17:04 files/
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   149 Jul 10 17:04 distinfo
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  1309 Jul 10 17:04 Makefile
[root@kabini1, /etc, 6:44:25am] 566 %


i.e. packages downloaded but not installed & various references in ports 
.... What gives ?



On 08/23/14 03:24, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> On 22/08/2014 16:51, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>>
>> I just tried to install some stuff using pkg & got the following:
>>
>>
>> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:47:58am] 551 %  pkg install enscript-a4-1.6.6_1
>> enscript-letter-1.6.6_1 enscript-letterdj-1.6.6_1  enscriptfonts-0.81_1
>> zh-enscript-a4-1.6.6_1
>> Updating repository catalogue
>> FreeBSD repository is up-to-date
>> All repositories are up-to-date
>> The following 11 packages will be affected (of 0 checked):
>>
>> New packages to be INSTALLED:
>>          enscript-a4: 1.6.6_1
>>          enscript-letter: 1.6.6_1
>>          enscript-letterdj: 1.6.6_1
>>          enscriptfonts: 0.81_1
>>          zh-enscript-a4: 1.6.6_1
>>          ghostscript9: 9.06_7
>>          libpaper: 1.1.24_2
>>          cups-image: 1.7.3_1
>>          svgalib: 1.4.3_7
>>          jbig2dec: 0.11_2
>>          zh-ttfm: 0.9.5_5
>>
>> The process will require 51 MB more space
>> 2 MB to be downloaded
>>
>> Proceed with this action [y/N]: y
>> Fetching enscript-a4-1.6.6_1.txz: 100% of 315 kB
>> Fetching enscript-letter-1.6.6_1.txz: 100% of 316 kB
>> Fetching enscript-letterdj-1.6.6_1.txz: 100% of 316 kB
>> Fetching enscriptfonts-0.81_1.txz: 100% of 1 MB
>> Fetching zh-enscript-a4-1.6.6_1.txz: 100% of 316 kB
>> Fetching zh-ttfm-0.9.5_5.txz: 100% of 27 kB
>> Checking integrity... done (3 conflicting)
>> pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver:
>> cannot install package enscript-a4~print/enscript-a4, remove it from
>> request [Y/n]: y
>> cannot install package enscript-letter~print/enscript-letter, remove it
>> from request [Y/n]: y
>> Checking integrity... done (1 conflicting)
>> pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver:
>> cannot install package enscript-letterdj~print/enscript-letterdj, remove
>> it from request [Y/n]: y
>> cannot install package zh-enscript-a4~chinese/enscript, remove it from
>> request [Y/n]: y
>> Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting)
>> Conflicts with the existing packages have been found.
>> One more solver iteration is needed to resolve them.
>> The following 1 packages will be affected (of 0 checked):
>>
>> New packages to be INSTALLED:
>>          enscriptfonts: 0.81_1
>>
>> The process will require 3 MB more space
>>
>> Proceed with this action [y/N]:
>> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:49:18am] 552 %
>>
>>
>> Pilot error ? pkg bug ? C'mon, enquiring minds wanna know ;-) ....
>>
>>
> Pilot error.  You are trying to install packages that directly conflict
> with each other -- ie there are files they more than one of them claims
> ownership of.  That doesn't work, and the packaging system quite
> sensibly stops you doing that.
>
> 	Matthew
>

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On 23/08/2014 12:48, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
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It needs to download the packages to get the full manifest, which is
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Hmmmmm .... So some of the pkgs contain the same file in more than 1 pkg 
? If so, that sounds like a pkg problem to some extent, either w/ 
packaging by the maintainer, or the logic within pkg, which ought to 
realize that it is the same file & let the install proceed ....


On 08/23/14 06:59, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> On 23/08/2014 12:48, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>> i.e. packages downloaded but not installed & various references in ports
>> .... What gives ?
>>
> It needs to download the packages to get the full manifest, which is
> when it can tell that the packages have conflicting files.
>
> 	Matthew
>

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Yet another problem in the new install saga - thankfully I have a mostly 
useable machine now.

This issue hasn't been a high priority on the list - until now. Mplayer 
won't run and I can't entertain myself :) Actually, its a bit more 
serious than that as I need it for work, and several other related tools 
use it too.

After install I ran umplayer and it gave me nothing; so I ran mplayer at 
the cli and it did nothing - and I mean absolutely nothing. Even with 
-vvvv there is not a spot of output after the command is entered.

So I ran truss, and didn't see anything useful there either. Then I 
looked at top to see if it was burning the cpu at all - nope. All I see 
is mplayer in a urdlck condition.

Googling this points to an issue in 10 with posix compatibility and to 
avoid it in the application programming. Some ssh problems too.

Any ideas what could be wrong? Or how to diagnose?

Cheers

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On 2014-08-20 23:13, Michael W. Lucas wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 06:10:51PM +0300, Anton Sayetsky wrote:
>> 2014-08-20 18:05 GMT+03:00 Michael W. Lucas <mwlucas@michaelwlucas.com>:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a default FreeBSD 10.0/amd64 install.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to make a GELI device attach at boot. I initialized the
>>> partition with -b, and am prompted at boot. When I try to enter the
>>> passphrase, I keep getting told that it's incorrect. Once I get into
>>> multi-user mode and manually attach the device, it attaches just fine.
>>>
>>> It seems that GELI isn't finding my key file.
>>>
>>> My initial root partition is da0p2. The key is /boot/da1p1.key. The
>>> GELI partition is da1p1. Here's my loader.conf:
>>>
>>> geom_eli_load=YES
>>> geli_da1p1_keyfile0_load="YES"
>>
>> ->>>
>>> geli_da1p1_keyfile0_type="da0p2:geli_da1p1_keyfile0"
>> -<<<
>> This is wrong.
> 
> Thanks, Anton. This stuff is poorly documented.
> 
>>From looking at
> https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-geom/2014-June/005944.html,
> it looks like this should work, but it doesn't.
> 
> geli_da1p1key_keyfile0_load="YES"
> geli_da1p1key_keyfile0_type="da0p2:geli_keyfile0"
> geli_da1p1key_keyfile0_name="/boot/da1p1.key"
> boot_verbose=1
> 
> Any suggestions, folks? Is there a good explanation out there
> anywhere? All I've found are PRs and very specific mailing list posts
> aimed at specific situations. If I can figure out the general case,
> I'll get it in the man page.

This page is quite good.
http://cb.vu/unixtoolbox.xhtml

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Possibly orthogonal to your question, but is it an option to consider
another product? MPV is an mplayer2 fork (which was [until development
stalled] a fork of/drop-in replacement for mplayer), and seems to be pretty
well supported on FreeBSD. It's pretty featureful (10-bit video and
whatnot), and has a relatively fast development cycle (particularly
compared to the crawl mplayer operates at), though it's at the expense of
losing mencoder. Some of the command-line flags have been changed as well,
which may require tweaking in your work-related tools (if they can be
tweaked).

Barring that, I'd recompile with debug flags and run in gdb/lldb. Wait till
it locks, C-c, 'bt'. It's almost certainly some manner of deadlock if
you're stuck in urdlck, which may be a bug in mplayer's threading or in
pthreads. Either way, it'd help to know where the problem lock is.

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On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Da Rock <
freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au> wrote:

> Yet another problem in the new install saga - thankfully I have a mostly
> useable machine now.
>
> This issue hasn't been a high priority on the list - until now. Mplayer
> won't run and I can't entertain myself :) Actually, its a bit more serious
> than that as I need it for work, and several other related tools use it too.
>
> After install I ran umplayer and it gave me nothing; so I ran mplayer at
> the cli and it did nothing - and I mean absolutely nothing. Even with -vvvv
> there is not a spot of output after the command is entered.
>
> So I ran truss, and didn't see anything useful there either. Then I looked
> at top to see if it was burning the cpu at all - nope. All I see is mplayer
> in a urdlck condition.
>
> Googling this points to an issue in 10 with posix compatibility and to
> avoid it in the application programming. Some ssh problems too.
>
> Any ideas what could be wrong? Or how to diagnose?
>
> Cheers
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On 23/08/2014 13:10, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
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Not the *same* file, but the same file *name*...

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On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 10:17:58PM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
> Yet another problem in the new install saga - thankfully I have a mostly=
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> useable machine now.
>=20
> This issue hasn't been a high priority on the list - until now. Mplayer=
=20
> won't run and I can't entertain myself :) Actually, its a bit more=20
> serious than that as I need it for work, and several other related tools=
=20
> use it too.
>=20
> After install I ran umplayer and it gave me nothing; so I ran mplayer at=
=20
> the cli and it did nothing - and I mean absolutely nothing. Even with=20
> -vvvv there is not a spot of output after the command is entered.

For playing videos I would recommend using multimedia/mpv as a lightweight
alternative or multimedia/vlc in case you want a full-blown GUI.

Both require multimedia/ffmpeg (2.2 currently) which also works very well as
an mencoder replacement.

Roland
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agreed, /usr/bin/enscript, for example .... still seems like it should 
allow the install to proceed, or at least either prompt & proceed, or 
have a CL option to allow the install to proceed .... I think I am still 
missing something :-/ ....


On 08/23/14 08:59, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> On 23/08/2014 13:10, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
>> Hmmmmm .... So some of the pkgs contain the same file in more than 1 pkg
>> ? If so, that sounds like a pkg problem to some extent, either w/
>> packaging by the maintainer, or the logic within pkg, which ought to
>> realize that it is the same file & let the install proceed ....
> Not the *same* file, but the same file *name*...
>
> 	Matthew
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Hello!

I have installed a new desktop machine with FreeBSD 10-STABLE amd64,  
xorg 1.12.4 and KDE 4.12.5. The system has ATI Radeon X1300/X1550  
video card. Graphics is configured WITH_NEW_XORG (the default), vt and  
radeonkms are in use, video driver is xf86-video-ati-7.2.0_3 built  
WITH_GALLIUM.

One thing that does not work is 'switch user' functionality in KDE.  
When attempting to start new session, the screen flashes briefly and  
then I am returned to active session with screen locked, which I can  
unlock and continue working.

When looking at /var/log/kdm.log during the switch, it says that  
something is wrong with X.org:

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fatal server error:
no screens found

Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support
          at http://wiki.x.org
  for help.
Please also check the log file at "/var/log/Xorg.1.log" for additional  
information.

Server terminated with error (1). Closing log file.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So I look at Xorg.1.log and it seems to indicate a problem related to KMS:

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[   431.280] (--) Using syscons driver with X support (version 2.0)
[   431.280] (--) using VT number 10

[   431.282] (II) [KMS] Kernel modesetting enabled.
[   431.282] (WW) VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no  
multi-card support
[   431.282] (==) RADEON(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
[   431.282] (II) RADEON(0): Pixel depth = 24 bits stored in 4 bytes  
(32 bpp pixmaps)
[   431.282] (==) RADEON(0): Default visual is TrueColor
[   431.282] (==) RADEON(0): RGB weight 888
[   431.282] (II) RADEON(0): Using 8 bits per RGB (8 bit DAC)
[   431.282] (--) RADEON(0): Chipset: "ATI Radeon X1300/X1550" (ChipID  
= 0x7142)
[   431.283] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
[   431.283] drmOpenDevice: open result is 7, (OK)
[   431.283] drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci:0000:02:00.0
[   431.283] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
[   431.283] drmOpenDevice: open result is 7, (OK)
[   431.283] drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 7
[   431.283] drmOpenByBusid: Interface 1.4 failed, trying 1.1
[   431.283] drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports pci:0000:02:00.0
[   431.283] (EE) RADEON(0): [drm] failed to set drm interface version.
[   431.283] (EE) RADEON(0): Kernel modesetting setup failed
[   431.283] (II) UnloadModule: "radeon"
[   431.283] (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
[   431.283]
Fatal server error:
[   431.283] no screens found
[   431.283]
Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support
          at http://wiki.x.org
  for help.
[   431.283] Please also check the log file at "/var/log/Xorg.1.log"  
for additional information.
[   431.283]
[   431.283] Server terminated with error (1). Closing log file.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Can this problem be solved?
-- 
Toomas Aas


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Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10.0-R-p7 bind9.9 starting named on boot?
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Paul,

Thank you for your help.  I installed bind 9.9 from the ports collection (i=
s there any other way???).  The only changes I have made to the named.conf =
file are to add the logging section as you have suggested.  To my amazement=
, after 2 consecutive reboots, named has started correctly.  I'm stumped as=
 to why it would not start on boot before now, but I will not complain as l=
ong as it remains consistent.

root@fbsd:/var/log/named # /usr/sbin/pkg info | /usr/bin/grep bind
bind99-9.9.5P1_2               BIND DNS suite with updated DNSSEC and DNS64
dbus-glib-0.100.2_1            GLib bindings for the D-BUS messaging system
root@fbsd:/var/log/named # /usr/bin/uname -a
FreeBSD fbsd.chicken.fish 10.0-RELEASE-p7 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p7 #0: Tue J=
ul  8 06:37:44 UTC 2014     root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr=
/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
root@fbsd:/var/log/named #

Regards,

-Burton
--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 8/21/14, Paul Kraus <paul@kraus-haus.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10.0-R-p7 bind9.9 starting named on boot?
 To: "Burton Sampley" <bsmply@yahoo.com>
 Cc: "questions@freebsd.org" <questions@freebsd.org>
 Date: Thursday, August 21, 2014, 9:26 PM
=20
 On Aug 21, 2014, at
 21:01, Burton Sampley via freebsd-questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=
>
 wrote:
=20
 > This issue is
 still unresolved.=C2=A0 Does anyone else have any
 suggestions?
=20
 Did you
 install bind 9.9 from ports or packages or build it yourself
 ?
=20
 I am running 10p7 with
 bind 9.10 installed from ports with no issues:
=20
 root@freebsd2:~ # uname
 -a
 FreeBSD freebsd2 10.0-RELEASE-p7 FreeBSD
 10.0-RELEASE-p7 #0: Tue Jul=C2=A0 8 06:37:44 UTC 2014=C2=A0
 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/=
GENERIC=C2=A0
 amd64
 root@freebsd2:~ # pkg
 info | grep bind
 bind910-9.10.0P2_3=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0BIND DNS suite with updated DNSSEC and
 DNS64
 root@freebsd2:~ # cat
 /etc/rc.conf=20
 hostname=3D"FreeBSD2"
 ifconfig_bge0=3D"inet snip netmask
 snip"
 defaultrouter=3D=E2=80=9Csnip"
 zfs_enable=3D"YES"
 sshd_enable=3D"YES"
 ntpd_enable=3D"YES"
 powerd_enable=3D"YES"
 dumpdev=3D"AUTO"
 named_enable=3D"YES"
 dhcpd_enable=3D"YES"
 #
 # Disable Sendmail
 sendmail_enable=3D"NO"
 sendmail_submit_enable=3D"NO"
 sendmail_outbound_enable=3D"NO"
 sendmail_msp_queue_enable=3D"NO"
 # Enable Postfix
 postfix_enable=3D"YES"
 root@freebsd2:~ #=20
=20
 I have extensive bind logging
 configured (a holdover from when I used to manage DNS
 servers for a medium size company, a few thousand users), so
 I have detailed logs in /var/log/named. You may want to
 configure logging in named.conf as I have found that syslog
 does not always catch the bind startup messages you need to
 troubleshoot. Try this for troubleshooting (add to
 named.conf):
=20
 logging {
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 // we define channels as locations
 for logs to go ...
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 channel
 "syslog" {
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
 syslog daemon;
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
 severity info;
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 };
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 channel "info" {
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 file
 "/var/log/named/named.info" versions 10 size
 1m;
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 severity
 info;
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 print-category
 yes;
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 print-severity
 yes;
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 print-time
 yes;
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 };
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
 =C2=A0 // now we define the things to log and which channel to
 send them to
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 category
 "default" {
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
 =C2=A0 syslog;
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 info;
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 };
 };
=20
 That should put everything in
 both syslog and /var/log/named/named.info (make sure the
 /var/log/named directory is writable by the named user). You
 can crank the severity up to =E2=80=9Cdebug=E2=80=9D on the channel (I
 would not do that on the syslog channel) for even more
 detailed logs.
=20
 You can also
 try to start named with the -f -d <n> options (from
 the command line). -f prevents to from detaching and
 demonizing, -d sets the debug level (higher numbers are more
 details debug info). I know your problem is a startup one,
 but I think you might find an odd error that is not a
 problem after the system has stabilized but may be an issue
 during the boot process.
=20
 --
 Paul Kraus
 paul@kraus-haus.org
 

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From: "Martin G. McCormick" <martin@server1.shellworld.net>
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I need to do a headless installation of FreeBSD9.1 to build a
replacement server for an existing 9.1 system. After an attempt
to make a bootable USB drive resulted in the world growing a
couple of days older and no usable boot media, I fell back to
the older procedure of modifying the ISO image which has it's
own particular set of issues. I successfully mounted the image
on a FreeBSD system and prepared to copy the file system now in
/mnt to a read-write file system. Here is what I did as root
based on the Advanced Installation section of the Handbook:


#	mkdir headless
 #tar -C headless -pvxf FreeBSD-9.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso
A great spew erupts:

usr/lib/libarchive.so.5: Can't create 'usr/lib/libarchive.so.5'
usr/lib/libasn1.so.10: Can't create 'usr/lib/libasn1.so.10'
usr/lib/libauditd.so.5: Can't create 'usr/lib/libauditd.so.5'

and on and on, quite impressive. It looks like except for the
libraries not being copied that the rest of the file system does
un-tar.

	I remember in the past doing this same process with
older FreeBSD versions and we also got warnings about some files
being created in the wrong order but the images worked and were
essentially the same size as the original image.
	Any ideas as to what is wrong, here?
Thanks. This is turning in to a career in and of itself.

Martin McCormick

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.... can I pkg-install multiple versions of ghostscript on the same box 
? Will they coexist properly ? I notice 3 major versions available, 
which is what prompts the question ..... TIA ....


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