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On 11/8/2014 2:55 PM, Michael Ross wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Nov 2014 23:26:57 +0100, Darren Pilgrim
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>> I recently upgraded a pair of servers from 9.3 to 10.0 via
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>> scheduled time (the logs in question were set * for size and $D0 or @T00
>> for when in newsyslog.conf).
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> I remembered reading this bug, which is close to what you describe:
> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=194236
>
> In short: 10.0-RELEASE on i386 runs cron jobs at wrong time.
>
> Reported solved in 10.1, so maybe try this.
Yep, that was it. Thanks!
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Hi everyone!
I've had my eyes on gaming keyboards for quite a while now. There are two main
reasons for this:
1. I like the backlit keys. It fits the fact that I spend a lot of my
computing time in a half-lit room in the evening - especially when doing photo
editing. And I am quite happy to admit, that they look cool too. :-)
2. The macro capabilities would come in really handy.
I am not a hard-core gamer, but I do like a little gaming now an then. So the
macros would come handy then too. But I would also like to use the macros in
my everyday life, like when writing letters and emails (which I spend a lot of
my workday doing). I have seen other people using keyboards with macros to
fill in text blocks and that can save a tone of time!
The problem is that the software for these keyboards is typically only for
Windows and somehow I doubt that Wine will really shine in this respect. I
would definately not mind booting Windows to program my keyboard, I would
really like it to work well under FreeBSD too. Meaning:
- The light is usable.
- At least one set of macros works under FreeBSD.
A friend of mine has the Corsair K95 which I really like because of its build,
feel and looks. He has the red switched (as a gamer) and I would want the blue
ones as someone who has used a Model M for years. But I like the macro block
on the left.
Does anyone have this particular Keyboard (or any other gaming keyboard that
fits the profile) running under FreeBSD and would like to share his thoughts?
Thanks in advance!
Regards,
Chris
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On 11/8/2014 4:41 AM, Kent Kuriyama wrote:
> Did you use the Tab (or shift + Tab) keys to navigate the cursor to the
> size field?
Never occurred to me. Thanks. Is that documented anywhere?
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On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 03:09:22 +0100, Christian Baer wrote:
> The problem is that the software for these keyboards is typically only for
> Windows and somehow I doubt that Wine will really shine in this respect. I
> would definately not mind booting Windows to program my keyboard, I would
> really like it to work well under FreeBSD too.
That should not be a problem as long as the keys
send individual codes. You can verify this with
the X event tester utility, xev. Adding a key symbol
to a key code is done by xmodmap. The window manager,
desktop environment, or application programs can
then pick up those key symbols and cause the desired
action to happen, either natively through the program
itself, or by using the xbindkeys program to "output"
custom actions (press a key, press a key combination,
press a key sequence, start a program, and so on).
> Meaning:
>
> - The light is usable.
This is probably just a matter of USB power.
> - At least one set of macros works under FreeBSD.
This entirely depends on what the keyboard sends to
the USB interface.
> A friend of mine has the Corsair K95 which I really like because of its build,
> feel and looks. He has the red switched (as a gamer) and I would want the blue
> ones as someone who has used a Model M for years. But I like the macro block
> on the left.
I have something similar on the Sun USB type 7 keyboard
which I have gotten comfortable with, even though I miss
the feel of the model M switches. That's why I'll soon
migrate to a BOSCOM 5250 keyboard with has a 2x5 block
on the left plus 12 additional function keys (2nd row
on top) - best of both worlds. Needless to say, I have
already verified the keyboard in the way mentioned above. :-)
> Does anyone have this particular Keyboard (or any other gaming keyboard that
> fits the profile) running under FreeBSD and would like to share his thoughts?
Don't call my professional programming keybards "gaming
keyboards". :-)
--
Polytropon
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Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
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I'm trying to install 10.0 on a new machine with a 1 TB disk. When I
enter partition sizes in the bsdinstall partition editor, I sometimes
get some odd results, in that the size displayed is different from what
I entered. For instance, when I tried to enter 1 MB for the boot
partition, it displayed the size as 20 kB. When I tried to enter 100 MB
for the /usr partition, it displayed 0.7 TB. Some sizes gave negative
sizes.
Are these just bugs in how the size is displayed, or is there some other
problem?
--
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I've noticed that neither the instructions for partitioning a disk in
the handbook, nor hier(7), mention a /home partition. Is such a
partition still used? If not, where do user files go?
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On 11/08/14 14:24, Michael Ross wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Nov 2014 21:33:44 +0100, Gary Aitken <vagabond@blackfoot.net>
wrote:
> > After reconfiguring my internal network to private ip addrs,
> > I'm trying to reconfigure a DLink wireless access point.
> > At first I tried using the old IP addrs and configuring my
> > workstation with an alias on the old network. That didn't
> > work, so I've reset the wap. The manual says default addr is
> > 192.168.0.50 netmask 255.255.255.0
> > The box I'm trying to access it from has an ip of 192.168.151.122/24.
> > I've added an alias to the interface for the 192.168.0 subnet:
> > Routing tables
> > Internet:
> > Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif
Expire
> > default 192.168.151.101 UGS 0 0 re0
> > 127.0.0.1 link#10 UH 0 59752 lo0
> > 192.168.0.0/24 link#1 U 0 121 re0
> > 192.168.0.122 link#1 UHS 0 0 lo0
> > 192.168.151.0/24 link#1 U 0 54 re0
> > 192.168.151.122 link#1 UHS 0 0 lo0
> > When I attempt to access the WAP, I see only ARP requests,
> > and it appears not to answer:
> > $ arp -n -a
> > ? (192.168.151.122) at f4:6d:04:78:70:62 on re0 permanent [ethernet]
> > ? (192.168.0.122) at f4:6d:04:78:70:62 on re0 permanent [ethernet]
> > ? (192.168.151.101) at 00:01:02:c2:a1:a8 on re0 expires in 339 seconds
[ethernet]
> > # tcpdump -flnt -i re0 | grep 192.168.0.50
> > tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol
decode
> > listening on re0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 65535 bytes
> > ARP, Request who-has 192.168.0.50 tell 192.168.0.122, length 28
> No ARP reply...
>
> > I have difficulty believing the wap unit is defective, as
> > "it worked before I changed all the addresses..."
>
> Maybe not defective as such, but some DLinks ( mine for example )
> ignore everything not originating from their own /24,
> so unless packets come from 192.168.0.x, they will be silently
> discarded.
In this case, they are originating from 192.168.0.122, so should be ok there.
(see ARP request above)
On 11/08/14 16:34, Jon Radel wrote:
> Have you swept the /24 on the off chance that the manual is fibbing about
> 192.168.0.50 but not about it being some address in 192.168.0.0/24? If
> that fails, try 192.168.1.0/24. Other addresses D-Link seems to favor as
> the default:
> 192.168.0.1
> 192.168.0.30
> 192.168.1.1
Thanks.
Yes, I swept all of 192.168.0.* and .1.*
nada.
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On Sat, 08 Nov 2014 21:37:31 -0500, T. Michael Sommers wrote:
> I've noticed that neither the instructions for partitioning a disk in
> the handbook, nor hier(7), mention a /home partition. Is such a
> partition still used? If not, where do user files go?
It _can_ be used. Traditionally, /home is a symlink
to /usr/home, so if you create partitions according
to OS functionality, the users' data will be stored
on the /usr partition. But you are completely free
to create a dedicated /home partition - on the same
disk or even on a different disk; if you put every-
thing into one big partition, this will also work.
The installer will automatically create the symlink
as /home@ -> /usr/home for you. Just make sure that
/home exists and is either the correct mount point
or a symlink to the actual location (for example
/home@ -> /export/home, where /export is the
mountpoint for a "shared disk"). Basically, you
can create _any_ partitions you like and add a
mountpoint for them; /home is not an exception,
it's just a "special case" as its presence is
expected by many user-run programs.
You can configure those things as you like. Here is
an example (trimmed):
% mount
/dev/ad4s1a on / (ufs, local)
/dev/ad4s1d on /tmp (ufs, local, soft-updates)
/dev/ad4s1e on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates)
/dev/ad4s1f on /usr (ufs, local, soft-updates)
/dev/ad4s1g on /opt (ufs, local, soft-updates)
/dev/ad6 on /home (ufs, local, soft-updates)
Similarly, /home could have been /dev/ad4s1f, or even
part of /dev/ads1e (which is /usr).
--
Polytropon
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Revision, because I'm stupid:
On Sun, 9 Nov 2014 03:50:11 +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> You can configure those things as you like. Here is
> an example (trimmed):
>
> % mount
> /dev/ad4s1a on / (ufs, local)
> /dev/ad4s1d on /tmp (ufs, local, soft-updates)
> /dev/ad4s1e on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates)
> /dev/ad4s1f on /usr (ufs, local, soft-updates)
> /dev/ad4s1g on /opt (ufs, local, soft-updates)
> /dev/ad6 on /home (ufs, local, soft-updates)
>
> Similarly, /home could have been /dev/ad4s1f, or even
> part of /dev/ads1e (which is /usr).
Of course that last sentence should be:
Similarly, /home could have been /dev/ad4s1h, or even
part of /dev/ads1f (which is /usr).
Note that GPT partitions are named differently, but
the functionality here is the same.
--
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> On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 03:09:22 +0100, Christian Baer wrote:
> > The problem is that the software for these keyboards is typically only
> for
> > Windows and somehow I doubt that Wine will really shine in this respect.
> I
> > would definately not mind booting Windows to program my keyboard, I would
> > really like it to work well under FreeBSD too.
>
> That should not be a problem as long as the keys
> send individual codes. You can verify this with
> the X event tester utility, xev. Adding a key symbol
> to a key code is done by xmodmap. The window manager,
> desktop environment, or application programs can
> then pick up those key symbols and cause the desired
> action to happen, either natively through the program
> itself, or by using the xbindkeys program to "output"
> custom actions (press a key, press a key combination,
> press a key sequence, start a program, and so on).
>
>
>
> > Meaning:
> >
> > - The light is usable.
>
> This is probably just a matter of USB power.
>
>
>
> > - At least one set of macros works under FreeBSD.
>
> This entirely depends on what the keyboard sends to
> the USB interface.
>
>
>
> > A friend of mine has the Corsair K95 which I really like because of its
> build,
> > feel and looks. He has the red switched (as a gamer) and I would want
> the blue
> > ones as someone who has used a Model M for years. But I like the macro
> block
> > on the left.
>
> I have something similar on the Sun USB type 7 keyboard
> which I have gotten comfortable with, even though I miss
> the feel of the model M switches. That's why I'll soon
> migrate to a BOSCOM 5250 keyboard with has a 2x5 block
> on the left plus 12 additional function keys (2nd row
> on top) - best of both worlds. Needless to say, I have
> already verified the keyboard in the way mentioned above. :-)
>
>
>
> > Does anyone have this particular Keyboard (or any other gaming keyboard
> that
> > fits the profile) running under FreeBSD and would like to share his
> thoughts?
>
> Don't call my professional programming keybards "gaming
> keyboards". :-)
>
>
>
> --
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Is it the following keyboard :
http://bosanova.net/122-keyboard.html
Thank you very much .
Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
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On 11/8/2014 9:50 PM, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Nov 2014 21:37:31 -0500, T. Michael Sommers wrote:
>> I've noticed that neither the instructions for partitioning a disk in
>> the handbook, nor hier(7), mention a /home partition. Is such a
>> partition still used? If not, where do user files go?
>
> It _can_ be used. Traditionally, /home is a symlink
> to /usr/home, so if you create partitions according
> to OS functionality, the users' data will be stored
> on the /usr partition. But you are completely free
> to create a dedicated /home partition - on the same
> disk or even on a different disk; if you put every-
> thing into one big partition, this will also work.
> The installer will automatically create the symlink
> as /home@ -> /usr/home for you.
Thanks. In every system I can remember, /home was a separate file
system (when it existed at all), and I didn't see /usr/home in hier(7),
so I wondered. (In the Good Old Days (V7), all the user directories
were put directly in /usr (so you'd have /usr/fred, and /usr/john, and
so on). I'm surprised they're back under /usr, even if a level deeper.)
It was also possible that some entirely new scheme had been created.
--
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On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:00:41 -0800, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:
> Is it the following keyboard :
>
>
> http://bosanova.net/122-keyboard.html
>From looking at it... yes, I think that is the one.
But in order to make it "fully programmable", one
needs to open it and open the jumper that can be
easily found. This makes certain keys send an
individual code instead of a "hardwired" key
combination: For example, jumper closed && PF13
will send Shift_L+F1, whereas jumper open && PF13
will send code 181 instead (which can then be
associated to any symbol desired).
The keyboard has a PS/2 mini-DIN plug, but with
an adapter to USB, it also works nicely.
Comparable model:
http://www.twindata.com/affirmative/1221TD.htm
Except mine is labeled "BOSCOM", but the colors
and the key caps match. Of course I have the
_german_ version. :-)
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On Sat, 08 Nov 2014 23:39:54 -0500, T. Michael Sommers wrote:
> On 11/8/2014 9:50 PM, Polytropon wrote:
> > On Sat, 08 Nov 2014 21:37:31 -0500, T. Michael Sommers wrote:
> >> I've noticed that neither the instructions for partitioning a disk in
> >> the handbook, nor hier(7), mention a /home partition. Is such a
> >> partition still used? If not, where do user files go?
> >
> > It _can_ be used. Traditionally, /home is a symlink
> > to /usr/home, so if you create partitions according
> > to OS functionality, the users' data will be stored
> > on the /usr partition. But you are completely free
> > to create a dedicated /home partition - on the same
> > disk or even on a different disk; if you put every-
> > thing into one big partition, this will also work.
> > The installer will automatically create the symlink
> > as /home@ -> /usr/home for you.
>
> Thanks. In every system I can remember, /home was a separate file
> system (when it existed at all), and I didn't see /usr/home in hier(7),
> so I wondered.
Correct; "man hier" doesn't mention it because it's
a "user thing" mostly, as the OS and system services
do not use it (or require it to function properly).
Sharing /usr with home as one partition is (in most
cases) less critical than putting all "functional
subtrees" into one and the same partition, so some
disk-filling "runaway process" could stop /tmp, /var
and even / from working properly...
> (In the Good Old Days (V7), all the user directories
> were put directly in /usr (so you'd have /usr/fred, and /usr/john, and
> so on).
I've even seen /usr/bwk in this documentation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc4ROCJYbm0
It can be seen at 13:30.
> I'm surprised they're back under /usr, even if a level deeper.)
> It was also possible that some entirely new scheme had been created.
A thing typical found on Solaris is /export/home, whereas
on IRIX it's /usr/people, if I remember correctly. On
Linux, it's usually a root file system entry named /home,
and the installers often defaults to creating one partition
where all "functional subtrees" reside.
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Hello Beeblebrox,
> There are several issues here:
>
> 1. DNSSEC does NOT work with the unbound -> dnscrypt-proxy chain. I don't
> know why, but both port maintainer and software developer seem to not have
> taken the issue seriously. For now, disable in unbound.conf:
> # auto-trust-anchor-file: "/var/unbound/root.key"
> I'm going to re-open the issue I had filed about this on github.
That was it. When I commented out
auto-trust-anchor-file: /var/unbound/root.key
from /var/unbound/unbound.conf it worked. Below is my configuration in
case it helps anyone.
One issue is that when the system is booting up, things like ntpd and
bsdstats time out. I guess this is because resolving doesn't work until
dnscrypt-proxy has started. When I change the nameserver entry in
/etc/resolv.conf to 8.8.8.8, those processes don't time out.
Thanks,
Joseph
/etc/rc.conf
dnscrypt_proxy_enable="YES"
dnscrypt_proxy_flags="-a 127.0.0.2 -d -R opennic-ca-ns4"
ifconfig_lo0_alias0="inet 127.0.0.2 netmask 0xffffffff"
local_unbound_enable="YES"
/var/unbound/unbound.conf
server:
#auto-trust-anchor-file: /var/unbound/root.key
directory: /var/unbound
do-not-query-localhost: no
chroot: /var/unbound
pidfile: /var/run/local_unbound.pid
username: unbound
use-syslog: yes
verbosity: 1
include: /var/unbound/forward.conf
include: /var/unbound/lan-zones.conf
include: /var/unbound/conf.d/*.conf
/var/unbound/forward.conf
forward-zone:
name: "."
forward-addr: 127.0.0.2@53
/etc/resolve.conf
search ftfl.ca
nameserver 127.0.0.1
options edns0
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Hi,
Anyone have pointers on playing Blu-Ray discs using FreeBSD?
I installed /multimedia/libbluray from ports. This solved a problem of
inserted discs spinning forever until the end of time (and actually
blocking the entire system). But playing the disc does not seem to work w/
mplayer or xine.
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On 09/11/2014 05:44, Polytropon wrote:
>> Thanks. In every system I can remember, /home was a separate file=20
>> > system (when it existed at all), and I didn't see /usr/home in hier(=
7),=20
>> > so I wondered.=20
> Correct; "man hier" doesn't mention it because it's
> a "user thing" mostly, as the OS and system services
> do not use it (or require it to function properly).
> Sharing /usr with home as one partition is (in most
> cases) less critical than putting all "functional
> subtrees" into one and the same partition, so some
> disk-filling "runaway process" could stop /tmp, /var
> and even / from working properly...
I do wonder about the layout generated for home directories by the
installer nowadays. It is the case that everything expects user home
directories to be in /home/username -- except for the layout in the
installer.
Now, moving /home into /usr/home and making a compatibility symlink
might make sense for some partitioning schemes with UFS, but it
certainly doesn't when installing with ZFS or with an all-in-one style
UFS partition. It's not like we're constrained in the number of
partitions we can put on one drive in anything like the same way in
these days of GPT either.
In fact, having a zroot/usr/home makes managing boot environments more
complex than it needs to be -- you'ld want /usr/bin and /usr/lib and
almost certainly /usr/local to be part of a BE, but not /usr/home.
Having a zroot/home mounted as /home makes so much more sense.
Don't get me started though -- there are worse problems with managing
what should be in a B.E. and what should not, and trying to reconcile
all that with hier(7). Much of /var should be part of a B.E., but not
/var/mail or /var/log or /var/db/mysql. Similarly /usr/local/pgsql
should be outside a B.E. This leads to all sorts of arcane trickery
like creating a zroot/var ZFS with canmount=3Doff,mountpoint=3D/var to
overlay zroot/ROOT/BENAME/var with canmount=3Don,mountpoint=3D/var all so=
you can mount zroot/var/mail from outside the boot environment.
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On 09/11/2014 12:15, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> On 09/11/2014 05:44, Polytropon wrote:
>>> Thanks. In every system I can remember, /home was a separate file
>>>> system (when it existed at all), and I didn't see /usr/home in hier(7),
>>>> so I wondered.
>
>> Correct; "man hier" doesn't mention it because it's
>> a "user thing" mostly, as the OS and system services
>> do not use it (or require it to function properly).
>> Sharing /usr with home as one partition is (in most
>> cases) less critical than putting all "functional
>> subtrees" into one and the same partition, so some
>> disk-filling "runaway process" could stop /tmp, /var
>> and even / from working properly...
>
> I do wonder about the layout generated for home directories by the
> installer nowadays. It is the case that everything expects user home
> directories to be in /home/username -- except for the layout in the
> installer.
>
> Now, moving /home into /usr/home and making a compatibility symlink
> might make sense for some partitioning schemes with UFS, but it
> certainly doesn't when installing with ZFS or with an all-in-one style
> UFS partition. It's not like we're constrained in the number of
> partitions we can put on one drive in anything like the same way in
> these days of GPT either.
>
> In fact, having a zroot/usr/home makes managing boot environments more
> complex than it needs to be -- you'ld want /usr/bin and /usr/lib and
> almost certainly /usr/local to be part of a BE, but not /usr/home.
> Having a zroot/home mounted as /home makes so much more sense.
>
> Don't get me started though -- there are worse problems with managing
> what should be in a B.E. and what should not, and trying to reconcile
> all that with hier(7). Much of /var should be part of a B.E., but not
> /var/mail or /var/log or /var/db/mysql. Similarly /usr/local/pgsql
> should be outside a B.E. This leads to all sorts of arcane trickery
> like creating a zroot/var ZFS with canmount=off,mountpoint=/var to
> overlay zroot/ROOT/BENAME/var with canmount=on,mountpoint=/var all so
> you can mount zroot/var/mail from outside the boot environment.
I'm glad to find it's not just me who wondered about /var and boot
environments. I've got /var/tmp, /var/crash and /var/db/entropy outside
the b.e. as well, although with hindsight I'm not sure about crash.
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I submitted a patch to an existing bugzilla report that has a "generic"
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What can/should I do to draw attention to the patch?
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On Sunday 09 Nov 2014 14:34:45 Arthur Chance wrote:
> On 09/11/2014 12:15, Matthew Seaman wrote:
[snip]
> > Now, moving /home into /usr/home and making a compatibility
> > symlink
> > might make sense for some partitioning schemes with UFS, but it
> > certainly doesn't when installing with ZFS or with an all-in-one
> > style UFS partition.
I've never understood the logic of putting /home under /usr. If you
ever needed to do a fresh install from scratch it would be all too
easy to wipe out all of home when you delete the original contents of
/usr. It goes against the FreeBSD approach of /usr containing material
for the base system and /usr/local for the rest. It might have been
more appropriate to have /usr/local/home but still far safer to have a
top level /home directory.
[snip]
> I'm glad to find it's not just me who wondered about /var and boot
> environments. I've got /var/tmp, /var/crash and /var/db/entropy
> outside the b.e. as well, although with hindsight I'm not sure
> about crash.
I hadn't thought about /var/crash before. Mine is inside the BE but
now you've mentioned it I think there's something to be said in favour
of moving it outside the BE so that you have easy access to existing
crash dumps if you've had to move back to an earlier BE to use a
workable system after a serious crash.
I also have /var/cache/pkg outside the BE. I don't now if this could
lead to problems but my reasoning is that it's convenient to have the
latest cache available if I switch to an earlier BE and need to
upgrade any packages. I think that should be OK providing both BE's
use the same major level of the OS but I wonder if I'll have problems
if I switch from 10.x into a 9.x BE?
--
Mike Clarke
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On 09/11/2014 15:30, Mike Clarke wrote:
> I also have /var/cache/pkg outside the BE. I don't now if this could=20
> lead to problems but my reasoning is that it's convenient to have the=20
> latest cache available if I switch to an earlier BE and need to=20
> upgrade any packages. I think that should be OK providing both BE's=20
> use the same major level of the OS but I wonder if I'll have problems=20
> if I switch from 10.x into a 9.x BE?
Keeping /var/cache/pkg outside the B.E. is an idea worth considering,
but probably doesn't really save enough download time or disk space
usage to really make the extra effort worth while in most cases. It is
only useful while you're doing minor version upgrades -- as soon as you
get to a major upgrade, then you need to wipe the cache and repopulate
with new packages for the new major version. (Well, you don't actually
need to wipe the cache, as pkg(8) is smart enough not to get confused by
the presence of packages for a different OS version. But you will need
to download all new packages.)
It also can be pretty useful to keep older versions of package tarballs
around in the cache -- sometimes a package update can go horribly wrong,
and a useful way to fix things is to forcibly revert to an older version
by 'pkg add'ing the tarball of the older version from the cache.
(Although recent versions of pkg(8) are much more resistant to this sort
of problem, and needing this sort of fallback should become unnecessary
ultimately.)
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Matthew
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On Sun, 9 Nov 2014, Arthur Chance wrote:
> On 09/11/2014 12:15, Matthew Seaman wrote:
>> On 09/11/2014 05:44, Polytropon wrote:
>>>> Thanks. In every system I can remember, /home was a separate file
>>>>> system (when it existed at all), and I didn't see /usr/home in hier(7),
>>>>> so I wondered.
>> Don't get me started though -- there are worse problems with managing
>> what should be in a B.E. and what should not, and trying to reconcile
>> all that with hier(7). Much of /var should be part of a B.E., but not
>> /var/mail or /var/log or /var/db/mysql. Similarly /usr/local/pgsql
>> should be outside a B.E. This leads to all sorts of arcane trickery
>> like creating a zroot/var ZFS with canmount=off,mountpoint=/var to
>> overlay zroot/ROOT/BENAME/var with canmount=on,mountpoint=/var all so
>> you can mount zroot/var/mail from outside the boot environment.
>
> I'm glad to find it's not just me who wondered about /var and boot
> environments. I've got /var/tmp, /var/crash and /var/db/entropy outside the
> b.e. as well, although with hindsight I'm not sure about crash.
What's a BE?
There are no dumb questions, its the people who ask them :)
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Dear userlist,
I have installed phppgadmin and configured it with the help of this: #toc, =
.toc, .mw-warning { border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); background-color:=
rgb(249, 249, 249); padding: 5px; font-size: 95%; }#toc h2, .toc h2 { disp=
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align: top; } http://daemon-notes.com/articles/web/phppgadmin
My phppgadmin.conf file consists of (vi /usr/local/etc/apache24/Includes/p=
hppgadmin.conf):
=C2=A0Alias /postgres "/usr/local/www/phpPgAdmin/"
<Directory "/usr/local/www/phpPgAdmin/">
Options None
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Order Allow,Deny
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#Allow from 127.0.0.1 192.168.2.0/24
Allow from all
</Directory>
=C2=A0My pg_hba.conf file consists of:# TYPE=C2=A0 DATABASE=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 USER=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 METHOD
# "local" is for Unix domain socket connections only
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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 all=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 md5
# IPv4 local connections:
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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 all=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 127.0.0.1/32=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 md5
host=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 all=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 all=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 192.168.2.0/24=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 md5
=20
However, I can't get access when doing this:http://192.168.2.102/postgres
The error I get is:
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /postgreson this server.Do you know wha=
t I'm missing?
My system is:FreeBSD testserver1 10.0-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p9 #0=
: Mon Sep 15 14:35:52 UTC 2014=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 root@amd64-builder.d=
aemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC=C2=A0 amd64
My php5 ports are:php5-5.4.24=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 PHP S=
cripting Language
php5-bz2-5.4.24=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The bz2 shared extension for php
php5-calendar-5.4.24=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 The calendar shared extension for php
php5-ctype-5.4.24=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The ctype shared extension for php
php5-dom-5.4.24=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The dom shared extension for php
php5-extensions-1.7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 A "meta-port" to install PHP extensions
php5-filter-5.4.24=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The filter shared extension for php
php5-gd-5.4.24=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The gd shared extension for php
php5-gettext-5.4.24=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 The gettext shared extension for php
php5-hash-5.4.24=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The hash shared extension for php
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=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The iconv shared extension for php
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=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The json shared extension for php
php5-mcrypt-5.4.24=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The mcrypt shared extension for php
php5-openssl-5.4.24=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 The openssl shared extension for php
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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The pdo shared extension for php
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pdo_sqlite shared extension for php
php5-pgsql-5.4.24=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The pgsql shared extension for php
php5-phar-5.4.24=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The phar shared extension for php
php5-posix-5.4.24=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The posix shared extension for php
php5-session-5.4.24=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 The session shared extension for php
php5-simplexml-5.4.24=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
The simplexml shared extension for php
php5-soap-5.4.24=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The soap shared extension for php
php5-sqlite3-5.4.24=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 The sqlite3 shared extension for php
php5-tokenizer-5.4.24=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
The tokenizer shared extension for php
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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The xml shared extension for php
php5-xmlreader-5.4.24=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
The xmlreader shared extension for php
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The xmlwriter shared extension for php
php5-zip-5.4.24=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
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Who knows what the problem is?
Brgds
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Hello,
I have some suggestion for you!
I want to place 2 dofollow text links or banners on a static base on the
side bar or bottom of main page for a year
If you have other sites, I'll be glad to know this)
I'm looking forward for your reply!
Thank you
2014-10-08 20:21 GMT+03:00 Kate Bobak <bobakkate5@gmail.com>:
>
> Hello,
>
> I want to place text link ads on freebsd.org for a year. I should be
> very grateful if you would let me know what are you think about this.
> I also consider banner advertising opportunity
> If you have other sites where you can place links let me know please.
>
> Many thanks and all best!
>
>
>
>
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Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wrote:
> From looking at it... yes, I think that is the one.
> But in order to make it "fully programmable", one
> needs to open it and open the jumper that can be
> easily found. This makes certain keys send an
> individual code instead of a "hardwired" key
> combination: For example, jumper closed && PF13
> will send Shift_L+F1, whereas jumper open && PF13
> will send code 181 instead (which can then be
> associated to any symbol desired).
While I guess this configuration will work fine on my computer at home
(or at work), I'd have to write my own driver for each place. This is
one thing I have always wanted to do but I have never found the right
information on how to actually go about doing it. Now that I have
pretty much given up the notion, I find someone else who could give me
a push in the right direction. Figures...
> The keyboard has a PS/2 mini-DIN plug, but with
> an adapter to USB, it also works nicely.
> Comparable model:
> http://www.twindata.com/affirmative/1221TD.htm
Looks a lot like a Model M terminal keyboard I still have here. I
always thought the terminal keyboard was totally cool because it is so
retro and if you have ever typed on a buckling sping keyboard, you
never want to go back. :-) A few things about this keyboard did
frustrate me though:
- There is no ESC key.
- Most of the extra keys are unusable out of the box (note my comment
about the driver).
- The arrow keys are in a non-standard layout.
While I could get used to the arrow keys, I am not sure I want to. I
have to type in several places on the keyboards that I am handed there.
This applies mainly to the office and to clients I have to visit.
Ariving at a client's place with a giant Model M terminal keyboard
under my arm would seem extremely nerdy at best and complete dorky at
worst. :-)
The missing ESC-Key is kind of an issue that is hard to resolve unless
I hack the keyboard driver and use an different key for ESC. This is
one key that is hard to do without on UNIX systems. Ask vi, he'll tell
you! :-P
I'm not sure I understood you completely in the other post. However, I
think you meant, that I should remap the specials keys. Is it possible
to actually make macros out of these keys? Meaning: Would FreeBSD let
me map a key to maybe a whole sentence?
Best regards,
Chris
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Hi,
I have in /etc/make.conf: WITH_STATIC_BASH=1
With that setting, I believe the command "portmaster bash"
installs the bash-static package (instead of bash).
I am trying to use binary packages as much as possible thru pkgng,
only fallback to to portmaster when custom switches are needed, such as
postfix, and dovecot.
Now when I try to do a "pkg upgrade", pkgng wants to install bash again
(since bash is installed as bash-static).
If I go ahead, pkgng will delete bash-static and install bash.
I can't pkg lock bash (since the package name is bash-static).
Is there any way to tell pkgng to treat bash-static as bash?
So that it won't try to replace it with the dynamic version every time I
do pkg upgrade.
Thank you.
-cs
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On Sun, 9 Nov 2014 03:27:04 +0100
Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wrote:
> That should not be a problem as long as the keys
> send individual codes. You can verify this with
> the X event tester utility, xev. Adding a key symbol
> to a key code is done by xmodmap. The window manager,
> desktop environment, or application programs can
> then pick up those key symbols and cause the desired
> action to happen, either natively through the program
> itself, or by using the xbindkeys program to "output"
> custom actions (press a key, press a key combination,
> press a key sequence, start a program, and so on).
To use use Bugs Bunny's words:
"Hey doc, you got thing thing all wrong!" :-)
I do not have the said keyboad yet. The point of this enquiry was to
maybe get some feedback from other users who may already have this
keyboard, so I have an idea about how much use it will be for me.
I do not doubt that the basic functions will work fine. I wanted to
know if the special functions (like light, macros) only work under
Windows or if FreeBSD has some access to them too.
> > - At least one set of macros works under FreeBSD.
> This entirely depends on what the keyboard sends to
> the USB interface.
Yeah, I got that. :-)
This thread was not supposed to be a more or less academic discussion
about what kind of signals from a keyboard FreeBSD will be able to
process. This was supposed to be a pretty concrete question about a
certain keyboard or possibly some other gaming keyboard.
You actually went into the question I was going for a little further
down. :-)
> I have something similar on the Sun USB type 7 keyboard
> which I have gotten comfortable with, even though I miss
> the feel of the model M switches. That's why I'll soon
> migrate to a BOSCOM 5250 keyboard with has a 2x5 block
> on the left plus 12 additional function keys (2nd row
> on top) - best of both worlds. Needless to say, I have
> already verified the keyboard in the way mentioned above. :-)
I have no idea what kind of keyboard that is, nor could I find anything
about it using duckduckgo.:-(
But Mehmet found a picture of the said keyboad, so I will comment that
in my reply to the other post.
> Don't call my professional programming keybards "gaming
> keyboards". :-)
Technically, I didn't name any keyboard at all. The manufacturer came
up with the name. :-P
Best regards,
Chris
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On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 12:15:18 +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> I do wonder about the layout generated for home directories by the
> installer nowadays. It is the case that everything expects user home
> directories to be in /home/username -- except for the layout in the
> installer.
In the _most best optimum_ case, it should not matter,
when $HOME points to the correct location, whereever
that might be. Making a change _afterwards_ isn't just
about setting $HOME to the new location. In my experience,
having actually been trying it, many files in a user's
home directory contain references to that directory,
i. e., you can find the string "/home/bob" in files (!)
even after Bob has been moded to /export/home/bob.
This can cause trouble for application programs run
by the user.
> In fact, having a zroot/usr/home makes managing boot environments more
> complex than it needs to be -- you'ld want /usr/bin and /usr/lib and
> almost certainly /usr/local to be part of a BE, but not /usr/home.
> Having a zroot/home mounted as /home makes so much more sense.
Yes, in regards of ZFS this approach looks less comfortable,
especially because the "separation of program and user files"
has been removed - user files are part of the ZFS structure
that holds the OS and program files.
And as you described, the "functional separation" isn't as
easy as just thinking about /usr or /var, especially in the
context of BEs. ;-)
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Mike Clarke wrote:
> On Sunday 09 Nov 2014 14:34:45 Arthur Chance wrote:
> > On 09/11/2014 12:15, Matthew Seaman wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > > Now, moving /home into /usr/home and making a compatibility
> > > symlink
> > > might make sense for some partitioning schemes with UFS, but it
> > > certainly doesn't when installing with ZFS or with an all-in-one
> > > style UFS partition.
>
> I've never understood the logic of putting /home under /usr. If you
> ever needed to do a fresh install from scratch it would be all too
> easy to wipe out all of home when you delete the original contents of
> /usr.
I've always assumed that it was to avoid having to decide how to divide
UFS disk space between /home and /usr, since it's pretty much
impossible to come up with a default that isn't badly wrong for some
users. And it was only a default.
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On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 15:30:10 +0000, Mike Clarke wrote:
> I've never understood the logic of putting /home under /usr. If you
> ever needed to do a fresh install from scratch it would be all too
> easy to wipe out all of home when you delete the original contents of
> /usr.
Exactly, that is a problem to expect. I think this idea
comes from the "fixed partition size at initialization"
paradigm where you had to choose how big each partition
should be, and you could not create more than a - h partitions
(in the MBR manner). So you thought: / is that big, then
add swap, /var should be limited to so and so, and the
rest - well, that will be for installed applications and
user files, because we don't know how big they might get.
If we make /usr too small, we'll run out of space, and
if /home is full, well, users can't store any more data...
With GPT and "numerical partitions", this problem does
not apply anymore. ZFS can also deal perfectly fine with
varying numbers of partitions of varying size.
And hard disks are also big and cheap. :-)
> It goes against the FreeBSD approach of /usr containing material
> for the base system and /usr/local for the rest. It might have been
> more appropriate to have /usr/local/home but still far safer to have a
> top level /home directory.
By "deduction" (applied from "man hier"), /usr/local is
for installed applications which are managed by the system's
package maintaining means (ports collection, pkg, portmaster,
whatever you want). But user files are _not_ subject to
that maintaining, so they should not be in there.
(That is _one_ possible way of interpretation.)
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On Sun, 9 Nov 2014 20:13:48 +0100, Christian Baer wrote:
> I do not doubt that the basic functions will work fine. I wanted to
> know if the special functions (like light, macros) only work under
> Windows or if FreeBSD has some access to them too.
Unless someone can provide information for that
actual model you're interested in, you should keep
in mind that _testing_ the keyboard - when possible -
provides you maximum safety. :-)
> > Don't call my professional programming keybards "gaming
> > keyboards". :-)
>
> Technically, I didn't name any keyboard at all. The manufacturer came
> up with the name. :-P
Probably the clever marketing guys, because "gaming" means
you can make it more expensive. :-)
--
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Subject: How thread-friendly is kevent?
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How thread-friendly is kevent()?
In most cases, a dedicated thread does the kevent()-ing and
dispatching work to the thread pool, but at extremely high rates that
thread becomes a significant bottleneck.
As an example, consider a pool of, say, 17 threads on a 16 core
machine all in kevent() waiting for one of 32000 open TCP connections
to be read-ready. One connection becomes read-ready. How many
threads will have kevent() return with that event in eventlist? Is
there potential for a thundering herd problem?
Limited small-scale experimentation suggests that only one thread
returns per event, but it's not documented that way, so it's not clear
if that behavior is intended, an implementation detail, or a
coincidence that won't hold up at scale.
Is this behavior at all guaranteed / by design / intentional?
Although it would be ideal if so, it would also make sense to have to
rely on EV_DISPATCH in multithreaded applications to prevent events
from being delivered more than once, or to use EV_ONESHOT and re-add
the event entirely, depending on which approach better suits the
internal data structure the kernel uses for kqueue.
Thanks for any advice!
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On Sunday 09 Nov 2014 13:15:28 doug wrote:
> What's a BE?
Boot Environment.
Provides a way to have various "versions" of your system in ZFS pool
without using much extra disk space and be able to choose to boot into
any of the environments using sysutils/beadm.
http://forums.freebsd.org/threads/howto-freebsd-zfs-madness.31662/
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On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 5:53 AM, Arthur Chance <freebsd@qeng-ho.org> wrote:
> On 07/11/2014 19:57, Rick Miller wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In order to port openstack image support into an internal releng/10.0
>> branch the following files were copied from HEAD to the internal branch:
>>
>> release/release.conf
>> release/release.sh
>> release/Makefile
>> release/amd64/mk-vmimage.sh
>>
>> Some modifications were made to release.conf such as CHROOTDIR, SRCBRANCH,
>> NODOC, and NOPORTS...nothing major. release.sh errors in the system
>> target
>> with the following:
>>
>> touch packagesystem
>> rm -rf ftp
>> mkdir -p ftp
>> cp *.txz MANIFEST ftp
>> mkdir -p release
>> cd /usr/src/release/.. && make TARGET_ARCH=amd64 TARGET=amd64
>> installkernel
>> installworld distribution DESTDIR=/usr/obj/usr/src/release/release
>> MK_RESCUE=no MK_KERNEL_SYMBOLS=no MK_PROFILE=no MK_SENDMAIL=no
>> MK_TESTS=no
>> MK_LIB32=no MK_DEBUG_FILES=no
>> make[3]: "/usr/src/share/mk/bsd.own.mk" line 457: MK_KERNEL_SYMBOLS can't
>> be set by a user.
>> *** Error code 1
>>
>> Stop.
>> make[2]: stopped in /usr/src
>> *** Error code 1
>>
>> Stop.
>> make[1]: stopped in /usr/src/release
>> *** Error code 1
>>
>> Stop.
>> make: stopped in /usr/src/release
>>
>> What scenarios would result in this sort of failure?
>>
>>
> As the error message says, users can't/mustn't set MK_* symbols. You're
> supposed to set WITH_* or WITHOUT_* symbols in /etc/src.conf and the
> makefiles convert those to MK_* form.
>
> See man src.conf for details.
>
Thanks...this was helpful in resolving the error though not through
src.conf. The Makefile implemented these options using the form MK_* as
opposed to WITHOUT_*. Changing Makefile accordingly resolved the error.
Review of the same Makefile in the releng/10.0 and releng/10.1 branches
shows they use the form WITHOUT_*. Does this signal that FreeBSD 11.x will
implement MK_* instead or does this change to WITHOUT_* for the releng/
branches?
--
Take care
Rick Miller
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Hi!
Are you putting the same FD into multiple threads and hoping that only
one note will wake up on one listening kqueue?
-adrian
On 9 November 2014 11:57, J David <j.david.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> How thread-friendly is kevent()?
>
> In most cases, a dedicated thread does the kevent()-ing and
> dispatching work to the thread pool, but at extremely high rates that
> thread becomes a significant bottleneck.
>
> As an example, consider a pool of, say, 17 threads on a 16 core
> machine all in kevent() waiting for one of 32000 open TCP connections
> to be read-ready. One connection becomes read-ready. How many
> threads will have kevent() return with that event in eventlist? Is
> there potential for a thundering herd problem?
>
> Limited small-scale experimentation suggests that only one thread
> returns per event, but it's not documented that way, so it's not clear
> if that behavior is intended, an implementation detail, or a
> coincidence that won't hold up at scale.
>
> Is this behavior at all guaranteed / by design / intentional?
>
> Although it would be ideal if so, it would also make sense to have to
> rely on EV_DISPATCH in multithreaded applications to prevent events
> from being delivered more than once, or to use EV_ONESHOT and re-add
> the event entirely, depending on which approach better suits the
> internal data structure the kernel uses for kqueue.
>
> Thanks for any advice!
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On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> wrote:
> Are you putting the same FD into multiple threads and hoping that only
> one note will wake up on one listening kqueue?
That's the behavior observed in testing. That's somewhat surprising,
hence the question.
Thanks!
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El Thu, 06 Nov 2014 19:24:35 -0200
"Dante F. B. Col=F2" <dante01010@gmail.com> escribi=F3:
> Hello everyone
>=20
> I'm trying to setup some static routes on a freebsd box for some
> public addresses , the machine has two ethernet cards *em0 *and *em1
> ***, *em0* is attached to a Cisco internet router and *em1* is
> connected to a switch, both interfaces have public addresses of the
> same range ,
What you mean with "the same range", same subnet?
> *em1 *appears has absolutely no communication , i took
> a look at the static routes and there is a route for the subnet that
> it goes to *em0* , i'm trying to add a static route for the ip
> address pointing to the***em1* without pass gateway using *-iface*
> parameter but always returns "Network unreachble",
ip address does not point to interfaces, interfaces has ip address
a route always need a network and an interface (you are omitting the
interface)
> someone can help
> me or give some tips to fix this ? for many here this is probably a
> nooby question, we also have some firewall Linux boxes that i'm gonna
> migrate to freebsd (also trying on openbsd with the same problem) but
> first i have to solve this.
>=20
> Best Regards
> Dante F. B. Col=F2
What I image after reading your mail, is something like this
+-------+
| Cisco |
+-----+-+
|if: x.x.x.x/?
|
|em0: 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0
+-+-------+
| FreeBSD |
+-+-------+
|em1: 192.168.0.2/255.255.255.0
|
|
+-----+--+
| Switch |
+--------+
But having 2 ip address of the same subnet, make no sense to me
you need to put more information (ip addresses)
The handbook part about statics routes
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-routing.=
html#network-static-routes
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On 05/11/14 18:36, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am one of those who have used FreeBSD for like 17 years and obviously a
> lot has changed and some things are not easy to find.
>
> I remember there used to be quite a number of FreeBSD Artwork images
> somewhere. One of those was that of the FreeBSD obi chuck opening a
> computer casing. I have found some of these images here -
> http://www.xaras.it/Varie/cazzate/gallery/chucks/, but cannot seem to find
> this one where a computer casing is being opened.
>
> Anyone remembers it and knows where I can find it?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
Hi Odhiambo,
The official art sources on the official FreeBSD site are below (need to
drill down from the About tab):
https://www.freebsd.org/art.html
https://www.freebsd.org/logo.html
They don't have that image though, but I do remember the one you're
talking about. I'll reply back if I find it among my masses of images.
Cheers
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On 9 November 2014 17:50, J David <j.david.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> wrote:
>> Are you putting the same FD into multiple threads and hoping that only
>> one note will wake up on one listening kqueue?
>
> That's the behavior observed in testing. That's somewhat surprising,
> hence the question.
Hm, I'm not sure if that's defined behaviour. :)
-adrian
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J David wrote this message on Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 14:57 -0500:
> How thread-friendly is kevent()?
>
> In most cases, a dedicated thread does the kevent()-ing and
> dispatching work to the thread pool, but at extremely high rates that
> thread becomes a significant bottleneck.
>
> As an example, consider a pool of, say, 17 threads on a 16 core
> machine all in kevent() waiting for one of 32000 open TCP connections
> to be read-ready. One connection becomes read-ready. How many
> threads will have kevent() return with that event in eventlist? Is
> there potential for a thundering herd problem?
It depends... kevent is a level triggered system... By default, if
you don't use _ONESHOT or _DISPATCH, all threads will be woken up..
So, yes, there is potential for a thundering herd problem...
> Limited small-scale experimentation suggests that only one thread
> returns per event, but it's not documented that way, so it's not clear
> if that behavior is intended, an implementation detail, or a
> coincidence that won't hold up at scale.
>
> Is this behavior at all guaranteed / by design / intentional?
>
> Although it would be ideal if so, it would also make sense to have to
> rely on EV_DISPATCH in multithreaded applications to prevent events
> from being delivered more than once, or to use EV_ONESHOT and re-add
> the event entirely, depending on which approach better suits the
> internal data structure the kernel uses for kqueue.
If you do have a single kq w/ multiple threads (you cannot have a
shared kq between processes, as the fork clears out all events), you
really need to use one of _DISPATCH or _ONESHOT to ensure that the
event only gets delivered to a single thread....
Though if you mean how many threads will be woken up in the kernel
and find that there are no events remaining as one of the other kernel
threads has delivered the event, then yes, I have looked at the code,
and there will be a thundering herd problem...
This could be mitigated with out too much work, though the question I
have is why do you have so many threads listening on the same kqueue?
The most common use of this is for socket IO (there isn't much else
except maybe vnodes) that you can wait on that you'd have such a highly
multithreaded program... And if you do, it would make more sense to
use the recent RSS work that Adrian has been working on, and have one
kq per CPU w/ the proper cpu binding for that set of sockets...
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> On Nov 9, 2014, at 11:13 PM, John-Mark Gurney <jmg@funkthat.com> =
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> The most common use of this is for socket IO (there isn't much else
> except maybe vnodes) that you can wait on that you'd have such a =
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> multithreaded program... And if you do, it would make more sense to
> use the recent RSS work that Adrian has been working on, and have one
> kq per CPU w/ the proper cpu binding for that set of sockets...
Or just use libdispatch, which feeds a pool of worker threads from a =
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> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 5:53 AM, Arthur Chance <freebsd@qeng-ho.org> wrote:
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>> On 07/11/2014 19:57, Rick Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> In order to port openstack image support into an internal releng/10.0
>>> branch the following files were copied from HEAD to the internal branch:
>>>
>>> release/release.conf
>>> release/release.sh
>>> release/Makefile
>>> release/amd64/mk-vmimage.sh
>>>
>>> Some modifications were made to release.conf such as CHROOTDIR, SRCBRANCH,
>>> NODOC, and NOPORTS...nothing major. release.sh errors in the system
>>> target
>>> with the following:
>>>
>>> touch packagesystem
>>> rm -rf ftp
>>> mkdir -p ftp
>>> cp *.txz MANIFEST ftp
>>> mkdir -p release
>>> cd /usr/src/release/.. && make TARGET_ARCH=amd64 TARGET=amd64
>>> installkernel
>>> installworld distribution DESTDIR=/usr/obj/usr/src/release/release
>>> MK_RESCUE=no MK_KERNEL_SYMBOLS=no MK_PROFILE=no MK_SENDMAIL=no
>>> MK_TESTS=no
>>> MK_LIB32=no MK_DEBUG_FILES=no
>>> make[3]: "/usr/src/share/mk/bsd.own.mk" line 457: MK_KERNEL_SYMBOLS can't
>>> be set by a user.
>>> *** Error code 1
>>>
>>> Stop.
>>> make[2]: stopped in /usr/src
>>> *** Error code 1
>>>
>>> Stop.
>>> make[1]: stopped in /usr/src/release
>>> *** Error code 1
>>>
>>> Stop.
>>> make: stopped in /usr/src/release
>>>
>>> What scenarios would result in this sort of failure?
>>>
>>>
>> As the error message says, users can't/mustn't set MK_* symbols. You're
>> supposed to set WITH_* or WITHOUT_* symbols in /etc/src.conf and the
>> makefiles convert those to MK_* form.
>>
>> See man src.conf for details.
>>
>
> Thanks...this was helpful in resolving the error though not through
> src.conf. The Makefile implemented these options using the form MK_* as
> opposed to WITHOUT_*. Changing Makefile accordingly resolved the error.
/usr/src Makefiles use MK_ internally, but users are not supposed to
touch them. That's why /usr/src/share/mk/bsd.own.mk has a lot of code to
convert WITH_/WITHOUT_ variables to MK_ form, applying suitable defaults
for each architecture.
/usr/src/release/Makefile seems to be a special case, and sits over the
normal /usr/src/... Makefiles, hence it's use of WITHOUT_ forms.
> Review of the same Makefile in the releng/10.0 and releng/10.1 branches
> shows they use the form WITHOUT_*. Does this signal that FreeBSD 11.x will
> implement MK_* instead or does this change to WITHOUT_* for the releng/
> branches?
I've no idea about -CURRENT, I never use anything riskier than -STABLE.
You'd be better off asking about this in freebsd-current@
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Sorry Gary, been tied up with $reallife bugs ..
On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 18:03:23 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote:
> > > On 11/03/14 22:37, Ian Smith wrote:
[.. big chomping throughout ..]
> Yes, fbsd box is the only way out.
> Hmmm, I was wondering about bypassing natd for internal only traffic.
> Then realized it shouldn't be diverted because it stays on the internal
> interface. However, I hadn't considered traffic that just went in and
> back out the gateway.
>
> I have a non-gateway ip addr reserved for use by natd, and currently have
> divert 8668 ip from any to any via ep0
> Since I have a non-gateway addr reserved for the natd xlations,
> it seems like
> divert 8668 ip4 from not me to not me via ep0
> should have identical behavior; but it doesn't.
> It seems like nothing came through to clients.
Well, traffic coming back in from remote hosts IS 'to me' (ie, to any
address configured on any interface on this box) before it's been
translated by NAT to an inside host address :)
And that IP is presumably the gateway for the inside hosts, so I'm still
not clear what you mean by non-gateway address .. but never mind.
> > Are you running any services accessible from outside on any of your IPs?
>
> yes.
> All served by the fbsd gateway box at the moment,
> on outward-facing (ep0) interface ip.
Strangely, there's no man page for ep nor if_ep on 8.x or 9.x?
[..]
> heh. <Sheepish grin> Due to various problems along the way,
> I'm pleading the 5th.
> Waiting for a disk delivery to upgrade to 9.3
Fair enough. I'm still running my main non-server workhorse on 8.2-R.
> I've been using tcpdump on the outward facing net and running
> natd -verbose to see the translations and the complaints,
> which works pretty well.
> I guess I was expecting logging to show the rejected packets, not
> just tell me something was rejected. I'll lower my expectations :-(
ipfw's logging is consistent and typically limited to 100 or whatever
else you specify, so if you want to see some more, just 'ipfw resetlog N
[..]' for the next 100 or so .. otherwise it won't bother you again, but
you get full details of all translations till then. Perhaps using
'diverted' as a selection or skipto option on some rules may be handy.
> Thanks for your insights and suggestions; only open question at the
> moment is the
> divert 8668 ip4 from not me to not me via ep0
> one.
That rule will work with packets from inside going out, but as above,
not the returned packets coming in, which are indeed 'to me'.
It's really best - and certainly easiest to follow - to have separate
nat-or-divert rules for incoming and outgoing traffic:
Packets coming in from inside are never translated, that only happens to
these packets on the way out, to outside. This is likely all you need:
ipfw add divert [log] natd ip4 from ${inside_net} to any out \
recv ${inside_if} xmit ${outside_if}
which you'll see doesn't match inside traffic not leaving your net, nor
traffic generated on this box, but specifically matches the only traffic
natd would translate anyway.
[ then optionally, for curiousity ]
ipfw add count [log] ip4 from any to any out recv ${inside_if} diverted
[ and pedantically .. these two counts should add up to the divert rule ]
ipfw add count [log] ip4 from any to any out recv ${inside_if} not diverted
Packets coming in from outside all need passing to nat/divert to see if
they match a connection, unless this box also receives packets for other
IPs, in which case it's also sensible to avoid 'wasting natd's time'.
ipfw add divert natd [log] ip4 from any to ${alias_address} in \
recv ${outside_if}
[ then optionally]
ipfw add count [log] ip4 from any in recv ${outside_if} diverted
[ etc ]
Also specifying 'target_address 255.255.255.255' makes sure packets not
matching an established nat connection go to alias_address; see natd(8).
There, that's about all I know - all from memory, add salt to taste :)
cheers, Ian
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On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Gary Aitken <vagabond@blackfoot.net> wrote:
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> I have a non-gateway ip addr reserved for use by natd, and currently have
> divert 8668 ip from any to any via ep0
>
You almost certainly don't want to do that - each packet not destined for
the current host will get diverted twice. You want something like this
divert 8668 ip from any to any in recv ep0
divert 8668 ip from any to any out xmit ep0
as separate rules. I use kernel nat, but typical nat inbound traffic
before the rules and outbound after.
- M
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I am looking to replace a huge noisy old server that I have used for years
for my home business. Looking for something inexpensive and relatively
small to replace it with. Any recommendations guys/gals? I was even
thinking of buying a used laptop to run FreeBSD on and set it and forget
it. Not sure what options are out there as I have not put together a
server in many years.
Thanks,
Chris Maness
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The Raspberry Pi B+ would be hard to beat in terms of power consumption
(500 mAh). Could comfortably run a web or file server (512 MB RAM) for a home
business. Not sure on the state of FBSD ARM though, if you're intent on
running FBSD on the thing.
http://www.adafruit.com/product/1914
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:57:02AM -0800, Chris Maness wrote:
> I am looking to replace a huge noisy old server that I have used for years
> for my home business. Looking for something inexpensive and relatively
> small to replace it with. Any recommendations guys/gals? I was even
> thinking of buying a used laptop to run FreeBSD on and set it and forget
> it. Not sure what options are out there as I have not put together a
> server in many years.
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On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Colin Barnabas <colin.barnabas@gmail.com>
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> The Raspberry Pi B+ would be hard to beat in terms of power consumption
> (500 mAh). Could comfortably run a web or file server (512 MB RAM) for a
> home
> business. Not sure on the state of FBSD ARM though, if you're intent on
> running FBSD on the thing.
>
> http://www.adafruit.com/product/1914
>
>
I thought of that for a Linux server running JNOS, but I think I had
something more traditional in mind, so I could just restore the dumps of
the old server, and be up and running in short order. I am currently
working on my masters in physics, and spare time is in short supply.
Thanks,
Chris Maness
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Something like this has worked well for pfsense installs in many locations,
got to think freebsd would work on it.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009NMN90O/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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> >
> wrote:
>
> > The Raspberry Pi B+ would be hard to beat in terms of power consumption
> > (500 mAh). Could comfortably run a web or file server (512 MB RAM) for a
> > home
> > business. Not sure on the state of FBSD ARM though, if you're intent on
> > running FBSD on the thing.
> >
> > http://www.adafruit.com/product/1914
> >
> >
> I thought of that for a Linux server running JNOS, but I think I had
> something more traditional in mind, so I could just restore the dumps of
> the old server, and be up and running in short order. I am currently
> working on my masters in physics, and spare time is in short supply.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris Maness
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> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Colin Barnabas <colin.barnabas@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The Raspberry Pi B+ would be hard to beat in terms of power consumption
>> (500 mAh). Could comfortably run a web or file server (512 MB RAM) for a
>> home
>> business. Not sure on the state of FBSD ARM though, if you're intent on
>> running FBSD on the thing.
>>
>> http://www.adafruit.com/product/1914
>>
>>
> I thought of that for a Linux server running JNOS, but I think I had
> something more traditional in mind, so I could just restore the dumps of
> the old server, and be up and running in short order. I am currently
> working on my masters in physics, and spare time is in short supply.
Keeping a drive running dwarfs the power consumption of a small
motherboard anyway. I would switch to an SSD for my own home server,
but I'll have to move my photo collection somewhere else. I've been
running VIA motherboards for years, and they've done fine for me. The
used laptop scenario isn't a bad idea, either; I know I've got one in
the closet that only gets dragged out every year or two for network
testing, and it would do that sort of job fine.
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On 11/10/14 12:57, Chris Maness wrote:
> I am looking to replace a huge noisy old server that I have used for years
> for my home business. Looking for something inexpensive and relatively
> small to replace it with. Any recommendations guys/gals? I was even
> thinking of buying a used laptop to run FreeBSD on and set it and forget
> it. Not sure what options are out there as I have not put together a
> server in many years.
You have not said what you are doing with the "home server"... I am
using an HP Proliant MicroServer N54L to serve up 3 TB of net capacity
running FreeBSD 10. I have two SSD for the OS (installed in an adapter
in the optical drive bay), four HDD in the internal slots, and an
external five slot enclosure. Total power is a max of 150w for the HP
and an additional 50w for the external for a total of 200w. Not
micro-power but very low for the capacity I am serving (the 3 TB is
fully redundant using 3-way ZFS mirrors).
--
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On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 14:17:26 -0500
Lowell Gilbert wrote:
> Chris Maness <chris@chrismaness.com> writes:
>
> > On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Colin Barnabas
> > <colin.barnabas@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The Raspberry Pi B+ would be hard to beat in terms of power
> >> consumption (500 mAh). Could comfortably run a web or file server
> >> (512 MB RAM) for a home
> >> business. Not sure on the state of FBSD ARM though, if you're
> >> intent on running FBSD on the thing.
> >>
> >> http://www.adafruit.com/product/1914
> >>
> >>
> > I thought of that for a Linux server running JNOS, but I think I had
> > something more traditional in mind, so I could just restore the
> > dumps of the old server, and be up and running in short order. I
> > am currently working on my masters in physics, and spare time is in
> > short supply.
>
> Keeping a drive running dwarfs the power consumption of a small
> motherboard anyway. I would switch to an SSD for my own home server,
The system would have to be *very* low power for that to be true. A
typical 2.5 inch drive intended for laptops uses about 0.7W just
spinning and <3W in constant use. Most home servers spend most of
their time idle, so even a desktop drive can average about 4W (even
without allowing it to spin down).
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On 11/08/14 19:41, Gary Aitken wrote:
> On 11/08/14 14:24, Michael Ross wrote:
>> On Sat, 08 Nov 2014 21:33:44 +0100, Gary Aitken <vagabond@blackfoot.net>
> wrote:
>>> After reconfiguring my internal network to private ip addrs,
>>> I'm trying to reconfigure a DLink wireless access point.
>>> At first I tried using the old IP addrs and configuring my
>>> workstation with an alias on the old network. That didn't
>>> work, so I've reset the wap. The manual says default addr is
>>> 192.168.0.50 netmask 255.255.255.0
>>> The box I'm trying to access it from has an ip of 192.168.151.122/24.
>>> I've added an alias to the interface for the 192.168.0 subnet:
>>> Routing tables
>>> Internet:
>>> Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif
> Expire
>>> default 192.168.151.101 UGS 0 0 re0
>>> 127.0.0.1 link#10 UH 0 59752 lo0
>>> 192.168.0.0/24 link#1 U 0 121 re0
>>> 192.168.0.122 link#1 UHS 0 0 lo0
>>> 192.168.151.0/24 link#1 U 0 54 re0
>>> 192.168.151.122 link#1 UHS 0 0 lo0
>>> When I attempt to access the WAP, I see only ARP requests,
>>> and it appears not to answer:
>>> $ arp -n -a
>>> ? (192.168.151.122) at f4:6d:04:78:70:62 on re0 permanent [ethernet]
>>> ? (192.168.0.122) at f4:6d:04:78:70:62 on re0 permanent [ethernet]
>>> ? (192.168.151.101) at 00:01:02:c2:a1:a8 on re0 expires in 339 seconds
> [ethernet]
>>> # tcpdump -flnt -i re0 | grep 192.168.0.50
>>> tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol
> decode
>>> listening on re0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 65535 bytes
>>> ARP, Request who-has 192.168.0.50 tell 192.168.0.122, length 28
>> No ARP reply...
>>
>>> I have difficulty believing the wap unit is defective, as
>>> "it worked before I changed all the addresses..."
>>
>> Maybe not defective as such, but some DLinks ( mine for example )
>> ignore everything not originating from their own /24,
>> so unless packets come from 192.168.0.x, they will be silently
>> discarded.
>
> In this case, they are originating from 192.168.0.122, so should be ok there.
> (see ARP request above)
>
> On 11/08/14 16:34, Jon Radel wrote:
>
>> Have you swept the /24 on the off chance that the manual is fibbing about
>> 192.168.0.50 but not about it being some address in 192.168.0.0/24? If
>> that fails, try 192.168.1.0/24. Other addresses D-Link seems to favor as
>> the default:
>> 192.168.0.1
>> 192.168.0.30
>> 192.168.1.1
>
> Thanks.
> Yes, I swept all of 192.168.0.* and .1.*
> nada.
Bizarre.
I started a sweep of 192.168.* a day or so ago, and it was plodding along.
Nothing was rebooted in the meantime, although ipfw and natd on the gateway
machine on the same network had their rules modified. But the router and
the pinging machine(s) share the same hardware switch so ipfw and natd
should not affect the response.
This morning, out of the ether, I get a login prompt on a browser window
where I had been pointing to 192.168.0.50 for the past three days. There
is some possibility that ipfw and natd rules on the firewall box would have
prevented anything coming in on an external network from reaching the wap;
or preventing the wap from reaching outside. But I don't see how they
could prevent something connected to the same hardware switch from reaching
it.
I could blame it on a cat5 cable but I tried three different ones, all of
which work in other circumstances, and both the switch light and the wap
LAN light went on when cables were plugged in, and blinked when packets
went out.
In any case, it is now where I want it and operating properly, happily
responding to pings and configuration html; but I am mystified.
Thanks to those who responded.
Gary
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Ian and Michael, thanks both of you for the clarification on using
separate incoming and outgoing rules.
The world is now good...
> > I have a non-gateway ip addr reserved for use by natd, and currently have
> > divert 8668 ip from any to any via ep0
> > Since I have a non-gateway addr reserved for the natd xlations, it
seems like
> > divert 8668 ip4 from not me to not me via ep0
> > should have identical behavior; but it doesn't.
> > It seems like nothing came through to clients.
>
> Well, traffic coming back in from remote hosts IS 'to me' (ie, to any
address configured on any interface on this box) before it's been
translated by NAT to an inside host address
Not necessarily. If I have specified
redirect_address 192.168.1.12 <non-gateway-ip-addr>
alias_address <other-non-gateway-ip-addr>
then everything not destined for the gateway machine will not be "to me"
By non-gateway-ip-addr I mean one of my assigned ip addrs,
but not the one assigned by me to the outward-facing interface of the
gateway box. (you knew that, I just wasn't clear earlier.)
e.g. if my assigned ip addrs are a.b.c.16/29:
gateway interface to the world: a.b.c.17
natd.conf specifies:
redirect_address 192.168.1.12 a.b.c.21
alias_address a.b.c.22
I have reworked the ipfw rules starting with rc.firewall "simple" as a
template and adding what little I needed. Thanks again for the hint. With
those new rules, the above
05000 divert 8668 ip4 from not me to not me via ep0
seems to work as well as
05001 divert 8668 ip4 from 192.168.1.0/24 to any out recv xl0 xmit ep0
05002 divert 8668 ip4 from any to not me in recv ep0
Am I right that, given the natd.conf constraints on redirect addrs
indicated above, the 5000 rule should work as well as 5001 + 5002, and
natd won't be doing any extra work?
> Strangely, there's no man page for ep nor if_ep on 8.x or 9.x?
ugh. That will be interesting when my upgrade starts in a few days. Dang.
man ep
ep -- Ethernet driver for 3Com Etherlink III (3c5x9) interfaces
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On Mon, November 10, 2014 2:43 pm, RW wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 14:17:26 -0500
> Lowell Gilbert wrote:
>
>> Chris Maness <chris@chrismaness.com> writes:
>>
>> > On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Colin Barnabas
>> > <colin.barnabas@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The Raspberry Pi B+ would be hard to beat in terms of power
>> >> consumption (500 mAh). Could comfortably run a web or file server
>> >> (512 MB RAM) for a home
>> >> business. Not sure on the state of FBSD ARM though, if you're
>> >> intent on running FBSD on the thing.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.adafruit.com/product/1914
>> >>
>> >>
>> > I thought of that for a Linux server running JNOS, but I think I had
>> > something more traditional in mind, so I could just restore the
>> > dumps of the old server, and be up and running in short order. I
>> > am currently working on my masters in physics, and spare time is in
>> > short supply.
>>
>> Keeping a drive running dwarfs the power consumption of a small
>> motherboard anyway. I would switch to an SSD for my own home server,
>
> The system would have to be *very* low power for that to be true. A
> typical 2.5 inch drive intended for laptops uses about 0.7W just
> spinning and <3W in constant use. Most home servers spend most of
> their time idle, so even a desktop drive can average about 4W (even
> without allowing it to spin down).
>
Just to add other options... I used these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856102002
(but it is like barebone, you will need to add memory, mSATA SSD as
storage to it, and you can add Wireless card as well).
Valeri
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On 11/10/14, 1:05 PM, Colin Barnabas wrote:
> The Raspberry Pi B+ would be hard to beat in terms of power consumption=
> (500 mAh). Could comfortably run a web or file server (512 MB RAM) for =
a home
> business. Not sure on the state of FBSD ARM though, if you're intent on=
> running FBSD on the thing.
Per specs: 600mA up to 1.8A @ 5V
(mAh not the right unit :-)
I use a B (without the +) to serve DNS and NTP to world, though I'll=20
admit to using Linux on it. It's plugged along fine; the only time I=20
had an issue is when it got caught up in an NTP DDOS. That and that it=20
seems to lock up a couple of times a year for reasons unknown.
However, for serving files I cared about long-term, I'd be much inclined =
to use something that supported ZFS.
--Jon Radel
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Hi.
I have a FreeBSD box as a firewall. I am using captive portal + freeradius2 to have users login before they can access the net.
I would like to use the firewall the set some restrictions on access to the Internet too. This is of course done on a IP/MAC based level.
Does there exist something which requires users to login, but at the same time forces a specific IP to their account?
So if they spoof their mac/ip they cannot login using their normal credentials - they get logged out and looses access?
In this case a user would not only be required to login with his credentials before he can access the network, but his box would also be bound to a specific IP and MAC, which then would have some restrictions due to the firewall.
I know this is not 100% FreeBSD specific, but I want this to run on FreeBSD and are wondering how others perhaps are doing it.
Thanks and kind regards!
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On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:13 AM, John-Mark Gurney <jmg@funkthat.com> wrote:
> you
> really need to use one of _DISPATCH or _ONESHOT to ensure that the
> event only gets delivered to a single thread....
That's what one would expect, which is why the observed behavior was
so surprising. After increasing the testing load considerably, it did
behave as expected (waking more than one thread for one event). But
even so, the occurrences were very rare. It would wake up at most one
"extra" thread in slightly less than 1 out of 100,000 events.
> Though if you mean how many threads will be woken up in the kernel
> and find that there are no events remaining as one of the other kernel
> threads has delivered the event, then yes, I have looked at the code,
> and there will be a thundering herd problem...
Thanks for that, that's exactly the kind of information I was hoping to find.
Is that something that can happen without any usermode-visible
effects? I.e. all the threads wake up, but they almost all go back to
sleep without leaving the kevent() syscall since they can see there's
nothing to do anymore. If so, that would match the observed behavior,
but could add up to a lot of hidden overhead.
> And if you do, it would make more sense to
> use the recent RSS work that Adrian has been working on, and have one
> kq per CPU w/ the proper cpu binding for that set of sockets...
The most recent information I was able to find:
http://adrianchadd.blogspot.com/2014/10/more-rss-udp-tests-this-time-on-dell.html
suggests that this work, while admirable and important, is quite some
ways away from being production-stable for usermode code:
"hopefully I can get my network / rss library up and running enough to
prototype an RSS-aware memcached and see if it'll handle this
particular workload."
It's definitely something to keep an eye on, but probably not a viable
approach for us right now.
Thanks!
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On 11/10/2014 9:57 AM, Chris Maness wrote:
> I am looking to replace a huge noisy old server that I have used for years
> for my home business. Looking for something inexpensive and relatively
> small to replace it with. Any recommendations guys/gals? I was even
> thinking of buying a used laptop to run FreeBSD on and set it and forget
> it. Not sure what options are out there as I have not put together a
> server in many years.
I have several of these running as routers and small servers:
http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/5018/SYS-5018A-FTN4.cfm
Runs stock 10.0, igb interfaces, USB 3.0, boots from USB, and has a nice
complement of console options.
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Everyone:
I have an interesting problem. I've been asked to build a bandwidth
limiting ruleset that fairly limits the bandwidth a user consumes
on an asymmetrical half duplex link. The limiting should be such
that packets going upstream are scored as consuming twice as many
resources as those going downstream, so that 2x(upstream bandwidth)
+ 1x(downstream bandwidth) <= limit. It's easy to make ipfw
distinguish between packets flowing in the two directions and feed
them into the same bandwidth-limiting pipe, but I can't figure out
how to make the upstream packets count twice as much toward the
limit as the downstream ones without patching Dummynet. Am I
missing something? Is there a way to do this with FreeBSD's IPFW as
it exists now?
--Brett Glass
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Hi Martin,
> Does there exist something which requires users to login, but at the same time forces a specific IP to their account?
>
> So if they spoof their mac/ip they cannot login using their normal credentials - they get logged out and looses access?
>
> In this case a user would not only be required to login with his credentials before he can access the network, but his box would also be bound to a specific IP and MAC, which then would have some restrictions due to the firewall.
Instead of forcing a fixed IP, I would look for some captive
portal+firewall that creates dynamic filtering rules depending on the
username:
- the user's machine gets on the network and acquire a dynamic IP
- the user connects to the captive portal
- the firewall updates the filtering rules for the IP being used by the user
That would be more flexible.
Best regards,
Olivier
>
> I know this is not 100% FreeBSD specific, but I want this to run on FreeBSD and are wondering how others perhaps are doing it.
>
> Thanks and kind regards!
>
> Martin
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On 10 November 2014 19:00, J David <j.david.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:13 AM, John-Mark Gurney <jmg@funkthat.com> wrote:
>> you
>> really need to use one of _DISPATCH or _ONESHOT to ensure that the
>> event only gets delivered to a single thread....
>
> That's what one would expect, which is why the observed behavior was
> so surprising. After increasing the testing load considerably, it did
> behave as expected (waking more than one thread for one event). But
> even so, the occurrences were very rare. It would wake up at most one
> "extra" thread in slightly less than 1 out of 100,000 events.
>
>> Though if you mean how many threads will be woken up in the kernel
>> and find that there are no events remaining as one of the other kernel
>> threads has delivered the event, then yes, I have looked at the code,
>> and there will be a thundering herd problem...
>
> Thanks for that, that's exactly the kind of information I was hoping to find.
>
> Is that something that can happen without any usermode-visible
> effects? I.e. all the threads wake up, but they almost all go back to
> sleep without leaving the kevent() syscall since they can see there's
> nothing to do anymore. If so, that would match the observed behavior,
> but could add up to a lot of hidden overhead.
>
>> And if you do, it would make more sense to
>> use the recent RSS work that Adrian has been working on, and have one
>> kq per CPU w/ the proper cpu binding for that set of sockets...
>
> The most recent information I was able to find:
>
> http://adrianchadd.blogspot.com/2014/10/more-rss-udp-tests-this-time-on-dell.html
>
> suggests that this work, while admirable and important, is quite some
> ways away from being production-stable for usermode code:
>
> "hopefully I can get my network / rss library up and running enough to
> prototype an RSS-aware memcached and see if it'll handle this
> particular workload."
>
> It's definitely something to keep an eye on, but probably not a viable
> approach for us right now.
Why? It's likely going to be heading in the direction that you'd want
it to for scaling networking workloads and I could do with more users
/ feedback on it.
(Ie, you should totally use it, because this is the direction things
are likely going to head in the future, and you right now get to help
shape its direction. :)
-adrian
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On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Chris Maness <chris@chrismaness.com> wrote:
> I am looking to replace a huge noisy old server that I have used for years
> for my home business. Looking for something inexpensive and relatively
> small to replace it with. Any recommendations guys/gals? I was even
> thinking of buying a used laptop to run FreeBSD on and set it and forget
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> server in many years.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris Maness
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This looks kinda cool, running ATOM D510 processor with 2GB RAM and RAID
not bad for 99 bucks.. seems to be out of stock though.
- Supermicro D510MO Main Board
- Intel ATOM D510 Dual Core Processors 1.66GHz
- 2GB DDR2 (2x 1GB DIMMs) RAM
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- PCI-Express Expansion slot
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Hello all!
My server has three disks, and for ease of backup also 3 seperate filesystems.
In the past, (when it still ran Linux,) I union mounted those 3 filesystems on
a seperate mount point, and exported that via NFS.
I am trying to do the same now on FreeBSD 10.0, and the union mount works on
the local machine, but if I try to NFS export it, I get an error:
unionfs does not support mount update.
(something along those lines, sorry I am not in front of the box right now)
I have googled all over the place, so far with no luck.
Could anyone give me some pointers?
Should I use FUSE union instead?
Should I use something other than unionfs?
Kind regards,
Coert
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On 11/11/2014 12:57 AM, Waitman Gobble wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Chris Maness <chris@chrismaness.com> wrote:
>
>> I am looking to replace a huge noisy old server that I have used for years
>> for my home business. Looking for something inexpensive and relatively
>> small to replace it with. Any recommendations guys/gals? I was even
>> thinking of buying a used laptop to run FreeBSD on and set it and forget
>> it. Not sure what options are out there as I have not put together a
>> server in many years.
>>
>> Thanks,
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>
> This looks kinda cool, running ATOM D510 processor with 2GB RAM and RAID
> not bad for 99 bucks.. seems to be out of stock though.
>
> - Supermicro D510MO Main Board
> - Intel ATOM D510 Dual Core Processors 1.66GHz
> - 2GB DDR2 (2x 1GB DIMMs) RAM
> - Intel ESB2 SATA 3.0 Gbps RAID Controller
> - 1x Gigabit Ethernet Onboard NIC
> - PCI-Express Expansion slot
>
>
> http://unixsurplus.com/product/1u-supermicro-d510mo-intel-atom-d510-16ghz-dual-core-server-e76523-302-37w
>
i been using an old mini-itx mainboard for many years with no problems,
they are cheap and handle server stuff easily. power supplies are the
hardest thing for me to keep alive, so opt for a good supply with a ball
bearing fan.
probably your most expensive item will be memory if you want alot but
small amounts of memory IE 2gb isnt too bad on the wallet.
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Hi Martin
Thank you for your response. I mean the same subnet on both interfaces ,
i was just trying to setup static route for destinies *189.92.72.11*
and *189.92.72.12* through the *em1* omitting the gateway, that's what
we do on Linux ( eg route add -host *189.92.72.11 *dev ethx) but
without success here.
+-------+
| Cisco |
+-----+-+
|if: 189.92.72.0/29
|
|em0: 189.92.72.10/255.255.255.248
+-+-------+
| FreeBSD |
+-+-------+
|em1: 189.92.72.11/255.255.255.248
|
|
+-----+--+
| Switch | +-----------------+
+--------+ | MAIL |
|---------------+-----------------+
bnx0: 189.72.92.12/255.255.255.248
default 189.92.72.9 UGS 5606 706082933 em0
127/8 127.0.0.1 UGRS 0 63 33200 lo0
127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 2 542950 33200 lo0
189.92.72.10/29 link#5 UC 2 0 em0
189.92.72.9 f4:0f:1b:20:4b:20 UHLc 1 0 em0
189.92.72.10 00:10:18:9d:31:84 UHLc 0 46 lo0
189.92.72.11 link#5 UHLc 0 2 em0
204.31.112/24 link#2 C 0 0 bge1
204.31.112.24/29 link#2 C 1 0 bge1
204.31.112.26 00:25:64:3c:de:76 UHLc 0 34 lo0
224/4 127.0.0.1 URS 0 0 33200 lo0
On 11/10/14 1:38 AM, Martin Paredes wrote:
> El Thu, 06 Nov 2014 19:24:35 -0200
> "Dante F. B. Colò"<dante01010@gmail.com> escribió:
>> Hello everyone
>>
>> I'm trying to setup some static routes on a freebsd box for some
>> public addresses , the machine has two ethernet cards *em0 *and *em1
>> ***, *em0* is attached to a Cisco internet router and *em1* is
>> connected to a switch, both interfaces have public addresses of the
>> same range ,
> What you mean with "the same range", same subnet?
>
>> *em1 *appears has absolutely no communication , i took
>> a look at the static routes and there is a route for the subnet that
>> it goes to *em0* , i'm trying to add a static route for the ip
>> address pointing to the***em1* without pass gateway using *-iface*
>> parameter but always returns "Network unreachble",
> ip address does not point to interfaces, interfaces has ip address
>
> a route always need a network and an interface (you are omitting the
> interface)
>
>
>> someone can help
>> me or give some tips to fix this ? for many here this is probably a
>> nooby question, we also have some firewall Linux boxes that i'm gonna
>> migrate to freebsd (also trying on openbsd with the same problem) but
>> first i have to solve this.
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Dante F. B. Colò
> What I image after reading your mail, is something like this
>
> +-------+
> | Cisco |
> +-----+-+
> |if: x.x.x.x/?
> |
> |em0: 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0
> +-+-------+
> | FreeBSD |
> +-+-------+
> |em1: 192.168.0.2/255.255.255.0
> |
> |
> +-----+--+
> | Switch |
> +--------+
>
> But having 2 ip address of the same subnet, make no sense to me
>
> you need to put more information (ip addresses)
>
> The handbook part about statics routes
>
> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-routing.html#network-static-routes
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Hello Jon
I don't have so much experience with bridges, i'm not asking you to tell
how to setup , i''ll take a look at freebsd bridge related docs and
something other stuff, but could you give me a brief of how would it
work here ? . Thank you for your response.
Regards
+-------+
| Cisco |
+-----+-+
|if: 189.92.72.0/29
|
|em0: 189.92.72.10/255.255.255.248
+-+-------+
| FreeBSD |
+-+-------+
|em1: 189.92.72.11/255.255.255.248
|
|
+-----+--+
| Switch | +-----------------+
+--------+ | MAIL |
|---------------+-----------------+
bnx0: 189.72.92.12/255.255.255.248
On 11/6/14 7:39 PM, Jon Radel wrote:
> On 11/6/14, 4:24 PM, "Dante F. B. Colò" wrote:
>> Hello everyone
>>
>> I'm trying to setup some static routes on a freebsd box for some
>> public addresses , the machine has two ethernet cards *em0 *and *em1
>> ***, *em0* is attached to a Cisco internet router and *em1* is
>> connected to a switch, both interfaces have public addresses of the
>> same range , *em1 *appears has absolutely no communication
> It would be helpful if you provided the specific IP addresses you're
> talking about, complete with the masks, and specific commands you
> enter, or conf file lines you add or modify. For starters, when you
> talk about "both interfaces have public addresses of the same range"
> that's not a precise enough description for me to know if you mean two
> addresses on the same subnet or two addresses, each in different
> subnets (though they may be adjacent or part of the same larger
> network). If you do, in fact, mean two addresses in the same network,
> then your IP topology is broken if you think you can do layer 3
> routing between them, and the very first thing you'll need to do is
> come up with a legal addressing scheme. (Or consider layer 2
> bridging, which has other design implications of its own but might
> work better for you....)
>
>
>> , i took a look at the static routes and there is a route for the
>> subnet that it goes to *em0* , i'm trying to add a static route for
>> the ip address pointing to the***em1 *without pass gateway using
>> *-iface* parameter but always returns "Network unreachble",
> Something is confused, so it would be better to give us the output
> you're looking at rather than your interpretation of that output.
>
> Not to say that somebody else may not be able to figure out precisely
> what's going on based on this description, but I'm much more likely to
> spot what's going wrong with specific information: actual configs;
> actual output.
>
> --Jon Radel
> jon@radel.com
>
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On 11/11/14, 3:04 PM, "Dante F. B. Col=F2" wrote:
> Hi Martin
>
> Thank you for your response. I mean the same subnet on both interfaces =
> , i was just trying to setup static route for destinies=20
> *189.92.72.11* and *189.92.72.12* through the *em1* omitting the=20
> gateway, that's what we do on Linux ( eg route add -host *189.92.72.11 =
> *dev ethx) but without success here.
>
>
>
> +-------+
> | Cisco |
> +-----+-+
> |if: 189.92.72.0/29
> |
> |em0: 189.92.72.10/255.255.255.248
> +-+-------+
> | FreeBSD |
> +-+-------+
> |em1: 189.92.72.11/255.255.255.248
>
> |
> |
> +-----+--+
> | Switch | +-----------------+
> +--------+ | MAIL |
> |---------------+-----------------+
> bnx0: 189.72.92.12/255.255.255.248
>
As has been pointed out to you repeatedly both on the FreeBSD and=20
OpenBSD mailing lists, TCP/IP routing doesn't work like that. Judging=20
from your diagram, the Cisco thinks 189.92.72.0-189.92.72.7 are=20
available on its interface; so how does it talk to 189.92.72.10? The=20
FreeBSD box thinks that addresses 189.92.72.8-189.92.72.15 are on=20
interface em0. It thinks the same addresses are on interface em1. If=20
this is the case, you can not route between them, because they are the=20
same network.
I have no idea what you're doing on the Linux box, but it's not layer 3=20
routing using that topology. Are you sure you are not bridging on the=20
Linux box?
--Jon Radel
jon@radel.com
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Hi,
I'm not 100% sure I'm posting this to the correct mailing list. Forgive me =
if I have, and I'd be very grateful if you could point me in the right =
direction.
If I have posted to the correct location, here is my problem...
#uname -a
FreeBSD XYZ 9.2-RELEASE-p12 FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE-p12 #0: Mon Sep 15 =
18:46:46 UTC 2014 =
root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64
# /usr/sbin/pkg version -vIL=3D
syslog-ng-3.5.6_4 < needs updating (index has 3.6.1_1)
I have three servers which where installed with FreeBSD 9.0 back in Feb =
2014. As a matter of course I keep these servers as up to date as possible =
though the ports tree. I also periodocally upgrade them to latest stable =
version of FreeBSD via freebsd-update. Obviously I've let that slip a =
bit!
Towards the end of October a update for syslog-ng appeared in the ports =
tree, but I've been unable to compile it on any of my three servers, via a =
portmaster -DaG or a cd /usr/ports/sysutils/syslog-ng/ && make install =
clean. It fails with undefined reference to `get_installation_path_for'.
---------------------------------------
CC lib/tests/lib_tests_test_host_resolve-test_host_resolve.o
lib/tests/test_host_resolve.c: In function =
'test_resolve_sockaddr_to_hostname':
lib/tests/test_host_resolve.c:238: warning: implicit declaration of =
function 'basename'
lib/tests/test_host_resolve.c:238: warning: assignment makes pointer from =
integer without a cast
lib/tests/test_host_resolve.c:239: warning: assignment makes pointer from =
integer without a cast
lib/tests/test_host_resolve.c:240: warning: assignment makes pointer from =
integer without a cast
lib/tests/test_host_resolve.c:241: warning: assignment makes pointer from =
integer without a cast
lib/tests/test_host_resolve.c: In function =
'test_resolve_hostname_to_sockaddr':
lib/tests/test_host_resolve.c:264: warning: assignment makes pointer from =
integer without a cast
lib/tests/test_host_resolve.c:265: warning: assignment makes pointer from =
integer without a cast
lib/tests/test_host_resolve.c: In function =
'test_resolve_hostname_to_hostname':
lib/tests/test_host_resolve.c:300: warning: assignment makes pointer from =
integer without a cast
lib/tests/test_host_resolve.c:301: warning: assignment makes pointer from =
integer without a cast
lib/tests/test_host_resolve.c:302: warning: assignment makes pointer from =
integer without a cast
CCLD lib/tests/test_host_resolve
CC syslog-ng/main.o
GEN syslog-ng/syslog-ng
syslog-ng/main.o: In function `get_installer_version':
/usr/ports/sysutils/syslog-ng/work/syslog-ng-3.6.1/syslog-ng/main.c:98: =
undefined reference to `get_installation_path_for'
syslog-ng/main.o: In function `main':
/usr/ports/sysutils/syslog-ng/work/syslog-ng-3.6.1/syslog-ng/main.c:198: =
undefined reference to `main_loop_global_init'
/usr/ports/sysutils/syslog-ng/work/syslog-ng-3.6.1/syslog-ng/main.c:248: =
undefined reference to `main_loop_read_and_init_config'
/usr/ports/sysutils/syslog-ng/work/syslog-ng-3.6.1/syslog-ng/main.c:271: =
undefined reference to `main_loop_deinit'
Makefile:5911: recipe for target 'syslog-ng/syslog-ng' failed
gmake[2]: *** [syslog-ng/syslog-ng] Error 1
Makefile:9846: recipe for target 'all-recursive' failed
gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
Makefile:4042: recipe for target 'all' failed
gmake: *** [all] Error 2
*** [do-build] Error code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/sysutils/syslog-ng.
*** [stage] Error code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/sysutils/syslog-ng.
Exit 1
---------------------------------------
Googling for get_installation_path_for has found nothing.=20
Grepping for get_installation_path_for in the work dir seems to indicate =
that that function is defined in ./work/syslog-ng-3.6.1/lib/reloc.c
As a test I've tried to compile this port on two other FreeBSD boxes. One =
a FreeBSD 10 and then a FreeBSD 9.2 (in VM) and both complete =
successfully, however neither of these boxes had had syslog-ng installed =
or compiled on them before.=20
To be sure my ports tree wasn't broken somehow I deleted /usr/ports/ and =
preformed a "portsnap fetch extract"
This feels like a upgrade problem to me, but I'm unsure what to do next to =
try and get this port to compile.
Any help will be gratefully received.
Kind regards
=20
Stephen Scotter
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Sorry, i forgot to mention ,the Cisco router has the ip
189.92.72.9/255.255.255.248, there is no bridgie configured on the
Linux (Debian 5 and 6 kernel 2.6) machine ,i just setup these static
routes to do that but i really don't know how the Linux TCP stack handle
this, anyway thanks for your reply, i'm gonna try the bridge on freebsd
and openbsd.
Regards
Dante
On 11/11/14 6:21 PM, Jon Radel wrote:
> On 11/11/14, 3:04 PM, "Dante F. B. Colò" wrote:
>> Hi Martin
>>
>> Thank you for your response. I mean the same subnet on both
>> interfaces , i was just trying to setup static route for destinies
>> *189.92.72.11* and *189.92.72.12* through the *em1* omitting the
>> gateway, that's what we do on Linux ( eg route add -host
>> *189.92.72.11 *dev ethx) but without success here.
>>
>>
>>
>> +-------+
>> | Cisco |
>> +-----+-+
>> |if: 189.92.72.0/29
>> |
>> |em0: 189.92.72.10/255.255.255.248
>> +-+-------+
>> | FreeBSD |
>> +-+-------+
>> |em1: 189.92.72.11/255.255.255.248
>>
>> |
>> |
>> +-----+--+
>> | Switch | +-----------------+
>> +--------+ | MAIL |
>> |---------------+-----------------+
>> bnx0: 189.72.92.12/255.255.255.248
>>
> As has been pointed out to you repeatedly both on the FreeBSD and
> OpenBSD mailing lists, TCP/IP routing doesn't work like that. Judging
> from your diagram, the Cisco thinks 189.92.72.0-189.92.72.7 are
> available on its interface; so how does it talk to 189.92.72.10? The
> FreeBSD box thinks that addresses 189.92.72.8-189.92.72.15 are on
> interface em0. It thinks the same addresses are on interface em1.
> If this is the case, you can not route between them, because they are
> the same network.
>
> I have no idea what you're doing on the Linux box, but it's not layer
> 3 routing using that topology. Are you sure you are not bridging on
> the Linux box?
>
> --Jon Radel
> jon@radel.com
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On 11/11/14, 3:17 PM, "Dante F. B. Col=C3=B2" wrote:
> Hello Jon
>
> I don't have so much experience with bridges, i'm not asking you to=20
> tell how to setup , i''ll take a look at freebsd bridge related docs =
> and something other stuff, but could you give me a brief of how would=20
> it work here ? . Thank you for your response.
>
Try https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-bridging.html
Since I'm not sure what you're trying to do with the FreeBSD box=20
(firewall?) and why you're not using IP addresses properly, it's kind of =
hard to design a network for you......
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On 11/11/14, 4:05 PM, "Dante F. B. Col=F2" wrote:
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> Sorry, i forgot to mention ,the Cisco router has the ip=20
> 189.92.72.9/255.255.255.248, there is no bridgie configured on the=20
> Linux (Debian 5 and 6 kernel 2.6) machine ,i just setup these static =
> routes to do that but i really don't know how the Linux TCP stack=20
> handle this, anyway thanks for your reply, i'm gonna try the bridge=20
> on freebsd and openbsd.
>
No bridge on Linux. Hmmmmm..... You sure you aren't doing something=20
like this: http://www.sjdjweis.com/linux/bridging/ If nothing else the =
network diagram looks a whole lot like yours.....
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pkg nspluginwrapper still depends on linux-f10, rather than linuc-c6 for
other stuff. This is the last such lingering dependency for me.
[root@kabini1, /etc, 3:51:15pm] 472 % pkg delete linux_base-f10 "linux-f10*"
Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting)
Deinstallation has been requested for the following 12 packages (of 0
packages in the universe):
Installed packages to be REMOVED:
linux_base-f10-10_7
linux-f10-expat-2.0.1_1
linux-f10-fontconfig-2.6.0_1
linux-f10-xorg-libs-7.4_1
linux-f10-cairo-1.8.0_3
linux-f10-pango-1.28.3_1
linux-f10-gtk2-2.14.7_5
nspluginwrapper-1.4.4_4 (depends on linux-f10-xorg-libs-7.4_1)
linux-f10-png-1.2.37_2
linux-f10-jpeg-6b
linux-f10-tiff-3.8.2
linux-f10-atk-1.24.0_1
The operation will free 159 MB.
Proceed with deinstalling packages? [y/N]:
[root@kabini1, /etc, 3:51:32pm] 473 % pkg lock nspluginwrapper
nspluginwrapper-1.4.4_4: lock this package? [y/N]: y
Locking nspluginwrapper-1.4.4_4
[root@kabini1, /etc, 3:51:53pm] 474 % pkg delete linux_base-f10 "linux-f10*"
Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting)
Deinstallation has been requested for the following 12 packages (of 0
packages in the universe):
Installed packages to be REMOVED:
linux_base-f10-10_7
linux-f10-expat-2.0.1_1
linux-f10-fontconfig-2.6.0_1
linux-f10-xorg-libs-7.4_1
linux-f10-cairo-1.8.0_3
linux-f10-pango-1.28.3_1
linux-f10-gtk2-2.14.7_5
nspluginwrapper-1.4.4_4 (depends on linux-f10-xorg-libs-7.4_1)
linux-f10-png-1.2.37_2
linux-f10-jpeg-6b
linux-f10-tiff-3.8.2
linux-f10-atk-1.24.0_1
The operation will free 159 MB.
Proceed with deinstalling packages? [y/N]: y
nspluginwrapper-1.4.4_4 is locked and may not be modified
[root@kabini1, /etc, 3:52:01pm] 475 % pkg delete -f linux_base-f10
"linux-f10*"
Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting)
Deinstallation has been requested for the following 11 packages (of 0
packages in the universe):
Installed packages to be REMOVED:
linux_base-f10-10_7
linux-f10-atk-1.24.0_1
linux-f10-cairo-1.8.0_3
linux-f10-expat-2.0.1_1
linux-f10-fontconfig-2.6.0_1
linux-f10-gtk2-2.14.7_5
linux-f10-jpeg-6b
linux-f10-pango-1.28.3_1
linux-f10-png-1.2.37_2
linux-f10-tiff-3.8.2
linux-f10-xorg-libs-7.4_1
The operation will free 158 MB.
Proceed with deinstalling packages? [y/N]: y
[1/11] Deleting linux-f10-gtk2-2.14.7_5: 100%
[2/11] Deleting linux-f10-pango-1.28.3_1: 100%
[3/11] Deleting linux-f10-cairo-1.8.0_3: 100%
[4/11] Deleting linux-f10-xorg-libs-7.4_1: 100%
[5/11] Deleting linux-f10-fontconfig-2.6.0_1: 100%
[6/11] Deleting linux-f10-tiff-3.8.2: 100%
[7/11] Deleting linux-f10-atk-1.24.0_1: 100%
[8/11] Deleting linux-f10-expat-2.0.1_1: 100%
[9/11] Deleting linux-f10-jpeg-6b: 100%
[10/11] Deleting linux-f10-png-1.2.37_2: 100%
You may need to do by hand:
o unmount linprocfs if mounted
o delete /compat/linux/proc if present
o remove/comment linprocfs from /etc/fstab if present
[11/11] Deleting linux_base-f10-10_7: 100%
[root@kabini1, /etc, 3:52:30pm] 476 %
This popped up after a 'pkg upgrade -y' earlier today (while I went to
lunch). I reinstalled linux_base-c6 & rebuilt linux-c6-flashplugin11 &
all is well now. It would be sweet to get this last (for me) lingering
linux-f10 dependency removed :-). Everything else is AOK for me. BTW:
[root@kabini1, /etc, 4:13:17pm] 481 % uname -a
FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p3 #0: Mon Oct
20 15:08:33 UTC 2014
root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64
[root@kabini1, /etc, 4:13:20pm] 482 %
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Recently, I've done a pkg upgrade, and here's what I came to:
libGLE which is a dependency for most of KDE conflicts with nvidia-driver.
The question is: what can I do to resolve this conflict? I used to like both
KDE and NVidia proprietary driver.
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> The question is: what can I do to resolve this conflict?
https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2014-November/096440.html
It's also on the Forums (https://forums.freebsd.org)...
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J David wrote this message on Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 22:00 -0500:
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:13 AM, John-Mark Gurney <jmg@funkthat.com> wrote:
> > you
> > really need to use one of _DISPATCH or _ONESHOT to ensure that the
> > event only gets delivered to a single thread....
>
> That's what one would expect, which is why the observed behavior was
> so surprising. After increasing the testing load considerably, it did
> behave as expected (waking more than one thread for one event). But
> even so, the occurrences were very rare. It would wake up at most one
> "extra" thread in slightly less than 1 out of 100,000 events.
This is odd... I would expect that the event w/o _ONESHOT and _DISPATCH
to be delivered many times... Is it possible you have locks in your
userland side of things that make this less likely?
> > Though if you mean how many threads will be woken up in the kernel
> > and find that there are no events remaining as one of the other kernel
> > threads has delivered the event, then yes, I have looked at the code,
> > and there will be a thundering herd problem...
>
> Thanks for that, that's exactly the kind of information I was hoping to find.
>
> Is that something that can happen without any usermode-visible
> effects? I.e. all the threads wake up, but they almost all go back to
> sleep without leaving the kevent() syscall since they can see there's
> nothing to do anymore. If so, that would match the observed behavior,
> but could add up to a lot of hidden overhead.
I have an idea that should only be a few lines of changes that would
prevent all the threads waking up... As we lock the kq before doing
the wakeup, we can change KQ_SLEEP from a flag to a count for how many
threads are sleeping for an event, and if non-zero, do a wakeup_one...
Then when kqueue_scan is about to exit, check to see if there are
still events and threads waiting, and then do another wakeup_one...
Currently, KQ_SLEEP is only a flag, so we have to do wakeup to make
sure everyone wakes up...
Well, if you don't have _ONESHOT and _DISPATCH, any changes I make
should make it more reliable that all threads get the events dispatched
to them... :)
> > And if you do, it would make more sense to
> > use the recent RSS work that Adrian has been working on, and have one
> > kq per CPU w/ the proper cpu binding for that set of sockets...
>
> The most recent information I was able to find:
>
> http://adrianchadd.blogspot.com/2014/10/more-rss-udp-tests-this-time-on-dell.html
>
> suggests that this work, while admirable and important, is quite some
> ways away from being production-stable for usermode code:
>
> "hopefully I can get my network / rss library up and running enough to
> prototype an RSS-aware memcached and see if it'll handle this
> particular workload."
>
> It's definitely something to keep an eye on, but probably not a viable
> approach for us right now.
True... But some of this is making sure you only run enough threads as
necessary... As the kq lock is a single lock, having extra threads that
don't really do much work only increasing contention and other issues...
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Hi all:
just installed a FBSD 10 using the default ZFS setup. Mount shows the
following:
zroot/ROOT/default on / (zfs, local, noatime, nfsv4acls)
devfs on /dev (devfs, local, multilabel)
linprocfs on /compat/linux/proc (linprocfs, local)
procfs on /proc (procfs, local)
zroot/tmp on /tmp (zfs, local, noatime, nosuid, nfsv4acls)
zroot/usr/home on /usr/home (zfs, local, noatime, nfsv4acls)
zroot/usr/ports on /usr/ports (zfs, local, noatime, nosuid, nfsv4acls)
zroot/usr/src on /usr/src (zfs, local, noatime, noexec, nosuid, nfsv4acls)
zroot/var on /var (zfs, local, noatime, nfsv4acls)
zroot/var/crash on /var/crash (zfs, local, noatime, noexec, nosuid, nfsv4acls)
zroot/var/log on /var/log (zfs, local, noatime, noexec, nosuid, nfsv4acls)
zroot/var/mail on /var/mail (zfs, local, nfsv4acls)
zroot/var/tmp on /var/tmp (zfs, local, noatime, nosuid, nfsv4acls)
Now I see /usr/src, /usr/src, and /usr/ports. What I don't see is "/usr".
So, theoretically, I shouldn't be able to get to /usr/local, /usr/sbin, etc.
I can, of course.
So why don't I see /usr mounted anywhere? I see it on my old version 8.3
system. So what's changed?
Thanks,
Gene
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On 11/12/2014 11:21 AM, Gene wrote:
> Hi all:
> just installed a FBSD 10 using the default ZFS setup. Mount shows the
> following:
>
> zroot/ROOT/default on / (zfs, local, noatime, nfsv4acls)
>
> So why don't I see /usr mounted anywhere? I see it on my old version 8.3
> system. So what's changed?
/usr is no longer its own partition. I guess the thought was that it
does not change any more or less than what was on / so dont bother
making it a separate partition. I am not sure if there were other
reasons, but that seems to be the suggested default now on zfs and ufs
for that matter.
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 11:43:02 -0500, Mike Tancsa wrote
> On 11/12/2014 11:21 AM, Gene wrote:
> > Hi all:
> > just installed a FBSD 10 using the default ZFS setup. Mount shows the
> > following:
> >
> > zroot/ROOT/default on / (zfs, local, noatime, nfsv4acls)
> >
> > So why don't I see /usr mounted anywhere? I see it on my old version 8.3
> > system. So what's changed?
>
> /usr is no longer its own partition. I guess the thought was that it
> does not change any more or less than what was on / so dont bother
> making it a separate partition. I am not sure if there were other
> reasons, but that seems to be the suggested default now on zfs and
> ufs for that matter.
>
> ---Mike
OK - so on the older system, if I wanted to take a snapshot of, say /usr/
local/etc, I would have to snapshot /usr (/usr being the upstream
mountpoint). So now, if I want a similar snapshot of /usr/local/etc, any idea
what the path would be? Can't do /usr, it's no longer a mountpoint.
Ditto /usr/local. Snapshoting "/" maybe? Would that no longer capture the
entire pool? Hmmmm....
Thanks for the reply. It's greatly appreciated.
>
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On 11/12/2014 12:28 PM, Gene wrote:
> OK - so on the older system, if I wanted to take a snapshot of, say /usr/
> local/etc, I would have to snapshot /usr (/usr being the upstream
> mountpoint).
Yes, you would typically do a UFS snapshot like that.
> So now, if I want a similar snapshot of /usr/local/etc, any idea
> what the path would be? Can't do /usr, it's no longer a mountpoint.
> Ditto /usr/local. Snapshoting "/" maybe? Would that no longer capture the
> entire pool? Hmmmm....
Yes, it would indeed be /
ZFS snapshots are VERY efficient and fast. So dont worry about the space
they take. If just a few MB changed, the space it takes to keep that
snapshot wont be much bigger than the few MB. Here is one of my servers
with a default install and daily snapshots. As you can see, / does not
register as it doesnt get updated that often. /var does, which makes
sense due to the logs. But even there, it seems quite efficient and
economical.
# zfs list zroot
NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT
zroot 7.24G 88.7G 96K none
# zfs list -t snapshot
NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT
zroot@prev-1 0 - 96K -
zroot@5 0 - 96K -
zroot@6 0 - 96K -
zroot@0 0 - 96K -
zroot@1 0 - 96K -
zroot@2 0 - 96K -
zroot@3 0 - 96K -
zroot@4 0 - 96K -
zroot/ROOT@prev-1 0 - 96K -
zroot/ROOT@5 0 - 96K -
zroot/ROOT@6 0 - 96K -
zroot/ROOT@0 0 - 96K -
zroot/ROOT@1 0 - 96K -
zroot/ROOT@2 0 - 96K -
zroot/ROOT@3 0 - 96K -
zroot/ROOT@4 0 - 96K -
zroot/ROOT/default@prev-1 280K - 4.08G -
zroot/ROOT/default@5 0 - 4.08G -
zroot/ROOT/default@6 0 - 4.08G -
zroot/ROOT/default@0 10.2M - 4.08G -
zroot/ROOT/default@1 9.53M - 4.08G -
zroot/ROOT/default@2 9.96M - 4.08G -
zroot/ROOT/default@3 11.9M - 4.08G -
zroot/ROOT/default@4 1.71M - 4.09G -
zroot/tmp@prev-1 324K - 25.9M -
zroot/tmp@5 0 - 25.9M -
zroot/tmp@6 0 - 25.9M -
zroot/tmp@0 324K - 25.8M -
zroot/tmp@1 324K - 25.8M -
zroot/tmp@2 324K - 25.8M -
zroot/tmp@3 636K - 25.8M -
zroot/tmp@4 652K - 25.9M -
zroot/usr@prev-1 0 - 96K -
zroot/usr@5 0 - 96K -
zroot/usr@6 0 - 96K -
zroot/usr@0 0 - 96K -
zroot/usr@1 0 - 96K -
zroot/usr@2 0 - 96K -
zroot/usr@3 0 - 96K -
zroot/usr@4 0 - 96K -
zroot/usr/home@prev-1 0 - 213M -
zroot/usr/home@5 0 - 213M -
zroot/usr/home@6 0 - 213M -
zroot/usr/home@0 0 - 213M -
zroot/usr/home@1 0 - 213M -
zroot/usr/home@2 0 - 213M -
zroot/usr/home@3 84K - 213M -
zroot/usr/home@4 96K - 213M -
zroot/usr/ports@prev-1 0 - 1.66G -
zroot/usr/ports@5 0 - 1.66G -
zroot/usr/ports@6 0 - 1.66G -
zroot/usr/ports@0 0 - 1.66G -
zroot/usr/ports@1 0 - 1.66G -
zroot/usr/ports@2 0 - 1.66G -
zroot/usr/ports@3 0 - 1.66G -
zroot/usr/ports@4 224K - 1.66G -
zroot/usr/src@prev-1 0 - 1.02G -
zroot/usr/src@5 0 - 1.02G -
zroot/usr/src@6 0 - 1.02G -
zroot/usr/src@0 0 - 1.02G -
zroot/usr/src@1 0 - 1.02G -
zroot/usr/src@2 0 - 1.02G -
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On 11/12/2014 1:21 AM, Julien Cigar wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:57:02AM -0800, Chris Maness wrote:
>> I am looking to replace a huge noisy old server that I have used for years
>> for my home business. Looking for something inexpensive and relatively
>> small to replace it with. Any recommendations guys/gals? I was even
>> thinking of buying a used laptop to run FreeBSD on and set it and forget
>> it. Not sure what options are out there as I have not put together a
>> server in many years.
>
> we're using a Soekris 6501 here at work as a router/dns cache/proxy/...
> and it works like a charm .. The only problem is that it doesn't boot
> with the default GENERIC kernel (on amd64), due to the lack of an ACPI
> BIOS
I was looking at those a while back. Do you have the -30, -50, or -70?
My concern was if it was capable of gigabit line rates with a
real-world packet filter ruleset. What packet and data rates can it do?
What kind of filtering are you doing?
I'm excited to see they have a Rangeley product in the pipe.
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On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:12 AM, Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> wrote:
> (Ie, you should totally use it, because this is the direction things
> are likely going to head in the future, and you right now get to help
> shape its direction. :)
This isn't a project for the future, it is a 9.3-based project that
will be in production as soon as it is finished and tested. Weeks,
not months or years. Using that type of bleeding edge stuff in
production is the sort of thing an organization only does if they have
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it, someone who can shepherd use of it and who can basically guarantee
that any problems that come up can be handled very quickly as their #1
drop-everything priority. That's not the case here.
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This may not be related, but it's interesting: a client I worked for
many years ago switched from kqueue to poll for their web server
because kqueue did not distribute the workload evenly. I imagine this
is unchanged.
-K
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:49 AM, John-Mark Gurney <jmg@funkthat.com> wrote:
> J David wrote this message on Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 22:00 -0500:
>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:13 AM, John-Mark Gurney <jmg@funkthat.com> wrote:
>> > you
>> > really need to use one of _DISPATCH or _ONESHOT to ensure that the
>> > event only gets delivered to a single thread....
>>
>> That's what one would expect, which is why the observed behavior was
>> so surprising. After increasing the testing load considerably, it did
>> behave as expected (waking more than one thread for one event). But
>> even so, the occurrences were very rare. It would wake up at most one
>> "extra" thread in slightly less than 1 out of 100,000 events.
>
> This is odd... I would expect that the event w/o _ONESHOT and _DISPATCH
> to be delivered many times... Is it possible you have locks in your
> userland side of things that make this less likely?
>
>> > Though if you mean how many threads will be woken up in the kernel
>> > and find that there are no events remaining as one of the other kernel
>> > threads has delivered the event, then yes, I have looked at the code,
>> > and there will be a thundering herd problem...
>>
>> Thanks for that, that's exactly the kind of information I was hoping to find.
>>
>> Is that something that can happen without any usermode-visible
>> effects? I.e. all the threads wake up, but they almost all go back to
>> sleep without leaving the kevent() syscall since they can see there's
>> nothing to do anymore. If so, that would match the observed behavior,
>> but could add up to a lot of hidden overhead.
>
> I have an idea that should only be a few lines of changes that would
> prevent all the threads waking up... As we lock the kq before doing
> the wakeup, we can change KQ_SLEEP from a flag to a count for how many
> threads are sleeping for an event, and if non-zero, do a wakeup_one...
> Then when kqueue_scan is about to exit, check to see if there are
> still events and threads waiting, and then do another wakeup_one...
>
> Currently, KQ_SLEEP is only a flag, so we have to do wakeup to make
> sure everyone wakes up...
>
> Well, if you don't have _ONESHOT and _DISPATCH, any changes I make
> should make it more reliable that all threads get the events dispatched
> to them... :)
>
>> > And if you do, it would make more sense to
>> > use the recent RSS work that Adrian has been working on, and have one
>> > kq per CPU w/ the proper cpu binding for that set of sockets...
>>
>> The most recent information I was able to find:
>>
>> http://adrianchadd.blogspot.com/2014/10/more-rss-udp-tests-this-time-on-dell.html
>>
>> suggests that this work, while admirable and important, is quite some
>> ways away from being production-stable for usermode code:
>>
>> "hopefully I can get my network / rss library up and running enough to
>> prototype an RSS-aware memcached and see if it'll handle this
>> particular workload."
>>
>> It's definitely something to keep an eye on, but probably not a viable
>> approach for us right now.
>
> True... But some of this is making sure you only run enough threads as
> necessary... As the kq lock is a single lock, having extra threads that
> don't really do much work only increasing contention and other issues...
>
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On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 3:49 AM, John-Mark Gurney <jmg@funkthat.com> wrote:
> This is odd... I would expect that the event w/o _ONESHOT and _DISPATCH
> to be delivered many times... Is it possible you have locks in your
> userland side of things that make this less likely?
Nope, the test code is (intentionally) entirely lock-free in userland.
> I have an idea that should only be a few lines of changes that would
> prevent all the threads waking up... As we lock the kq before doing
> the wakeup, we can change KQ_SLEEP from a flag to a count for how many
> threads are sleeping for an event, and if non-zero, do a wakeup_one...
> Then when kqueue_scan is about to exit, check to see if there are
> still events and threads waiting, and then do another wakeup_one...
This sounds like it could optimize some workloads at substantial
penalties for others. If pursued, maybe it needs its own flag.
> Currently, KQ_SLEEP is only a flag, so we have to do wakeup to make
> sure everyone wakes up...
>
> Well, if you don't have _ONESHOT and _DISPATCH, any changes I make
> should make it more reliable that all threads get the events dispatched
> to them... :)
Using _DISPATCH is no problem, although a solution that didn't require
two kevent()-calls per event would obviously be better when every
syscall matters. Albeit that is largely an issue on VM's where the
syscall penalty is artificially large. In production, this will of
course run on bare metal.
The other option is do wrap kevent() with a mutex on the user side.
That's what Apache does with accept(), IIRC.
> But some of this is making sure you only run enough threads as
> necessary...
That's almost always true. But, almost always, determining the
correct value of "enough" requires a blood sacrifice. :)
Thanks!
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On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 5:14 PM, K. Macy <kmacy@freebsd.org> wrote:
> This may not be related, but it's interesting: a client I worked for
> many years ago switched from kqueue to poll for their web server
> because kqueue did not distribute the workload evenly. I imagine this
> is unchanged.
It looks pretty good in testing:
$ ./kqtest server
Server thread ends after 2630979 events.
Server thread ends after 2600452 events.
Server thread ends after 2525542 events.
Server thread ends after 2418386 events.
Server thread ends after 2524895 events.
$
That's a small-scale test on a VM with two CPU's running five threads,
but the results appear to hold. (This is using the _DISPATCH model.)
Thanks!
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Well, this was 8 cores with 45 or so processes. I'm not saying it
won't scale smoothly, but it did not in the past for lighttpd. Perhaps
it would have with some changes.
-K
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 2:29 PM, J David <j.david.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 5:14 PM, K. Macy <kmacy@freebsd.org> wrote:
>> This may not be related, but it's interesting: a client I worked for
>> many years ago switched from kqueue to poll for their web server
>> because kqueue did not distribute the workload evenly. I imagine this
>> is unchanged.
>
> It looks pretty good in testing:
>
> $ ./kqtest server
>
> Server thread ends after 2630979 events.
>
> Server thread ends after 2600452 events.
>
> Server thread ends after 2525542 events.
>
> Server thread ends after 2418386 events.
>
> Server thread ends after 2524895 events.
>
> $
>
>
> That's a small-scale test on a VM with two CPU's running five threads,
> but the results appear to hold. (This is using the _DISPATCH model.)
>
> Thanks!
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 13:08:44 -0500, Mike Tancsa wrote
> On 11/12/2014 12:28 PM, Gene wrote:
> > OK - so on the older system, if I wanted to take a snapshot of, say /usr/
> > local/etc, I would have to snapshot /usr (/usr being the upstream
> > mountpoint).
>
> Yes, you would typically do a UFS snapshot like that.
>
> > So now, if I want a similar snapshot of /usr/local/etc, any idea
> > what the path would be? Can't do /usr, it's no longer a mountpoint.
> > Ditto /usr/local. Snapshoting "/" maybe? Would that no longer capture the
> > entire pool? Hmmmm....
>
> Yes, it would indeed be /
>
> ZFS snapshots are VERY efficient and fast. So dont worry about the
> space they take. If just a few MB changed, the space it takes to
> keep that snapshot wont be much bigger than the few MB. Here is one
> of my servers with a default install and daily snapshots. As you can
> see, / does not register as it doesnt get updated that often. /var
> does, which makes sense due to the logs. But even there, it seems
> quite efficient and economical.
>
> # zfs list zroot
> NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT
> zroot 7.24G 88.7G 96K none
%>< snip
> ---Mike
And that solves the problem.
Thank you for your help.
Gene
>
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On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 5:31 PM, K. Macy <kmacy@freebsd.org> wrote:
> Well, this was 8 cores with 45 or so processes.
Here's the bench test on a 16 (physical) core machine with 24 threads:
Server thread ends after 853093 events.
Server thread ends after 834169 events.
Server thread ends after 826117 events.
Server thread ends after 824130 events.
Server thread ends after 826998 events.
Server thread ends after 838043 events.
Server thread ends after 859163 events.
Server thread ends after 844742 events.
Server thread ends after 821916 events.
Server thread ends after 807776 events.
Server thread ends after 805819 events.
Server thread ends after 840685 events.
Server thread ends after 847173 events.
Server thread ends after 834560 events.
Server thread ends after 833862 events.
Server thread ends after 842143 events.
Server thread ends after 866425 events.
Server thread ends after 813094 events.
Server thread ends after 833364 events.
Server thread ends after 805277 events.
Server thread ends after 816654 events.
Server thread ends after 834174 events.
Server thread ends after 851322 events.
Server thread ends after 839701 events.
This particular test is CPU bound, so more threads don't make much
sense, but they also don't make much difference as far as balance.
The results are equally even with 128 threads, though the time wasted
in kqflxw and context switching is *enormously* larger, aptly
demonstrating what John-Mark was talking about.
So it seems fairly scalable, at least as of 9.3-STABLE. Good work,
whoever it was!
Thanks!
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On 12 November 2014 15:54, J David <j.david.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 5:31 PM, K. Macy <kmacy@freebsd.org> wrote:
>> Well, this was 8 cores with 45 or so processes.
>
> Here's the bench test on a 16 (physical) core machine with 24 threads:
>
> Server thread ends after 853093 events.
> Server thread ends after 834169 events.
> Server thread ends after 826117 events.
> Server thread ends after 824130 events.
> Server thread ends after 826998 events.
> Server thread ends after 838043 events.
> Server thread ends after 859163 events.
> Server thread ends after 844742 events.
> Server thread ends after 821916 events.
> Server thread ends after 807776 events.
> Server thread ends after 805819 events.
> Server thread ends after 840685 events.
> Server thread ends after 847173 events.
> Server thread ends after 834560 events.
> Server thread ends after 833862 events.
> Server thread ends after 842143 events.
> Server thread ends after 866425 events.
> Server thread ends after 813094 events.
> Server thread ends after 833364 events.
> Server thread ends after 805277 events.
> Server thread ends after 816654 events.
> Server thread ends after 834174 events.
> Server thread ends after 851322 events.
> Server thread ends after 839701 events.
>
> This particular test is CPU bound, so more threads don't make much
> sense, but they also don't make much difference as far as balance.
> The results are equally even with 128 threads, though the time wasted
> in kqflxw and context switching is *enormously* larger, aptly
> demonstrating what John-Mark was talking about.
>
> So it seems fairly scalable, at least as of 9.3-STABLE. Good work,
> whoever it was!
Have you done any profiling of the system? At that many CPUs I'd
expect you'd see the shared kqueue fileops lock causing some
contending.
Hopefully the RSS stuff is mature enough in -11 for you to consider
using. I'm trying to address both work load balancing / steering as
well as CPU affinity scaling issues.
I'd love to see this stuff presented at a BSD conference. Are you at
all interested in talking some more about it?
-adrian
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J David wrote this message on Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 17:24 -0500:
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 3:49 AM, John-Mark Gurney <jmg@funkthat.com> wrote:
> > This is odd... I would expect that the event w/o _ONESHOT and _DISPATCH
> > to be delivered many times... Is it possible you have locks in your
> > userland side of things that make this less likely?
>
> Nope, the test code is (intentionally) entirely lock-free in userland.
>
> > I have an idea that should only be a few lines of changes that would
> > prevent all the threads waking up... As we lock the kq before doing
> > the wakeup, we can change KQ_SLEEP from a flag to a count for how many
> > threads are sleeping for an event, and if non-zero, do a wakeup_one...
> > Then when kqueue_scan is about to exit, check to see if there are
> > still events and threads waiting, and then do another wakeup_one...
>
> This sounds like it could optimize some workloads at substantial
> penalties for others. If pursued, maybe it needs its own flag.
It really wouldn't be a penalty as the other thread couldn't make
progress since the kq lock was held and would be waiting for the kq
lock anyways... The only penalty might be the delay in waking up,
but that'd be minor... But there was already a penalty for the
cross processor read to find out that the lock is held...
> > Currently, KQ_SLEEP is only a flag, so we have to do wakeup to make
> > sure everyone wakes up...
> >
> > Well, if you don't have _ONESHOT and _DISPATCH, any changes I make
> > should make it more reliable that all threads get the events dispatched
> > to them... :)
>
> Using _DISPATCH is no problem, although a solution that didn't require
> two kevent()-calls per event would obviously be better when every
> syscall matters. Albeit that is largely an issue on VM's where the
> syscall penalty is artificially large. In production, this will of
> course run on bare metal.
If you care about that, I'd recommend you have a thread local buffer
that you add enable events to, and then when you get back to your
main loop, you add all of these waiting events..
> The other option is do wrap kevent() with a mutex on the user side.
> That's what Apache does with accept(), IIRC.
kevent effectively provides that lock internally...
> > But some of this is making sure you only run enough threads as
> > necessary...
>
> That's almost always true. But, almost always, determining the
> correct value of "enough" requires a blood sacrifice. :)
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K. Macy wrote this message on Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 14:14 -0800:
> This may not be related, but it's interesting: a client I worked for
> many years ago switched from kqueue to poll for their web server
> because kqueue did not distribute the workload evenly. I imagine this
> is unchanged.
I've heard this before... But no one has been able to say that this
caused a performance issue... If they were able to switch to poll w/o
significant performance overhead, then they probably weren't dealing
w/ thousands upon thousands of fd's, or they were already doing thread
balancing by having each thread wait on a subset of fd's...
It's also the standard problem of batching vs. single processing...
If you call kevent w/ room for 8 threads, the first thread will try
to take them all if it can... If that same thread finishes before
more events come in, then you really don't have that much more work
to do for the other threads... You can obviously decrease this
batching, but then other issues come into play...
If someone has some solid numbers and can test patches, I'd be
interested in helping them work on it, but until then...
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:49 AM, John-Mark Gurney <jmg@funkthat.com> wrote:
> > J David wrote this message on Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 22:00 -0500:
> >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:13 AM, John-Mark Gurney <jmg@funkthat.com> wrote:
> >> > you
> >> > really need to use one of _DISPATCH or _ONESHOT to ensure that the
> >> > event only gets delivered to a single thread....
> >>
> >> That's what one would expect, which is why the observed behavior was
> >> so surprising. After increasing the testing load considerably, it did
> >> behave as expected (waking more than one thread for one event). But
> >> even so, the occurrences were very rare. It would wake up at most one
> >> "extra" thread in slightly less than 1 out of 100,000 events.
> >
> > This is odd... I would expect that the event w/o _ONESHOT and _DISPATCH
> > to be delivered many times... Is it possible you have locks in your
> > userland side of things that make this less likely?
> >
> >> > Though if you mean how many threads will be woken up in the kernel
> >> > and find that there are no events remaining as one of the other kernel
> >> > threads has delivered the event, then yes, I have looked at the code,
> >> > and there will be a thundering herd problem...
> >>
> >> Thanks for that, that's exactly the kind of information I was hoping to find.
> >>
> >> Is that something that can happen without any usermode-visible
> >> effects? I.e. all the threads wake up, but they almost all go back to
> >> sleep without leaving the kevent() syscall since they can see there's
> >> nothing to do anymore. If so, that would match the observed behavior,
> >> but could add up to a lot of hidden overhead.
> >
> > I have an idea that should only be a few lines of changes that would
> > prevent all the threads waking up... As we lock the kq before doing
> > the wakeup, we can change KQ_SLEEP from a flag to a count for how many
> > threads are sleeping for an event, and if non-zero, do a wakeup_one...
> > Then when kqueue_scan is about to exit, check to see if there are
> > still events and threads waiting, and then do another wakeup_one...
> >
> > Currently, KQ_SLEEP is only a flag, so we have to do wakeup to make
> > sure everyone wakes up...
> >
> > Well, if you don't have _ONESHOT and _DISPATCH, any changes I make
> > should make it more reliable that all threads get the events dispatched
> > to them... :)
> >
> >> > And if you do, it would make more sense to
> >> > use the recent RSS work that Adrian has been working on, and have one
> >> > kq per CPU w/ the proper cpu binding for that set of sockets...
> >>
> >> The most recent information I was able to find:
> >>
> >> http://adrianchadd.blogspot.com/2014/10/more-rss-udp-tests-this-time-on-dell.html
> >>
> >> suggests that this work, while admirable and important, is quite some
> >> ways away from being production-stable for usermode code:
> >>
> >> "hopefully I can get my network / rss library up and running enough to
> >> prototype an RSS-aware memcached and see if it'll handle this
> >> particular workload."
> >>
> >> It's definitely something to keep an eye on, but probably not a viable
> >> approach for us right now.
> >
> > True... But some of this is making sure you only run enough threads as
> > necessary... As the kq lock is a single lock, having extra threads that
> > don't really do much work only increasing contention and other issues...
> >
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>> I am looking to replace a huge noisy old server that I have used for years
>> for my home business. Looking for something inexpensive and relatively
>> small to replace it with. Any recommendations guys/gals?
I bought a mini PC from these guys:
http://www.mini-box.com/MiniPC-Value-Systems
With a 60GB SSD and a reasonable amount of RAM (4GB? I'm on the other
side of the country and can't look) it was about $250. Internally
it's a normal PC, plug in an Ethernet cable, boot the FreeBSD
installer from a USB stick and off you go. It's fanless, small,
silent, and reliable. I use it for the usual home server stuff. I
had some 1 GB disk drives lying around so I bought a four drive ESATA
case and a PCI ESATA adapter card, and have a 3GB ZFS RAID.
I looked at Soekris but this was cheaper and required no kludgery to
set up since it has a normal screen adapter and USB for the keyboard.
R's,
John
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On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 10:14:20AM -0800, Darren Pilgrim wrote:
> On 11/12/2014 1:21 AM, Julien Cigar wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:57:02AM -0800, Chris Maness wrote:
> >> I am looking to replace a huge noisy old server that I have used for y=
ears
> >> for my home business. Looking for something inexpensive and relatively
> >> small to replace it with. Any recommendations guys/gals? I was even
> >> thinking of buying a used laptop to run FreeBSD on and set it and forg=
et
> >> it. Not sure what options are out there as I have not put together a
> >> server in many years.
> >
> > we're using a Soekris 6501 here at work as a router/dns cache/proxy/...
> > and it works like a charm .. The only problem is that it doesn't boot
> > with the default GENERIC kernel (on amd64), due to the lack of an ACPI
> > BIOS
>=20
> I was looking at those a while back. Do you have the -30, -50, or -70?=
=20
> My concern was if it was capable of gigabit line rates with a=20
> real-world packet filter ruleset. What packet and data rates can it do?=
=20
> What kind of filtering are you doing?
I have a 6501-50 running 10-RELEASE, unbound, pf (with the following
ruleset: https://dpaste.de/kw7A/raw), etc
We don't have that much traffic, but it works very well for ours (and
now that pf is SMP friendly I would say that it should scale.. :))
(BTW I'm writing a little article on the installation)
>=20
> I'm excited to see they have a Rangeley product in the pipe.
>=20
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Hello list.
FreeBSD 9.3-PRERELEASE #1 r266465
Trying to build openoffice4 and openoffice-devel.
Tried libreoffice but then I can not add a printer.
Oo4 and devel fail at the same place with this:
... unopkg sync --verbose -env:UNO_JAVA_JFW_ENV_JREHOME=true 2>&1 | ...
... creating links ...
... cleaning the output tree ...
... removing directory /tmp/ooopackaging/i_148361415810048 ...
remove_empty_dirs_in_folder
/usr/ports/editors/openoffice-devel/work/aoo/main/instsetoo_native/unxfbsdx.pro/Apache_OpenOffice/archive/install/sv_inprogress/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.0_FreeBSD_install-arc_sv/openoffice4/share/extensions
... current dir:
/usr/ports/editors/openoffice-devel/work/aoo/main/instsetoo_native/unxfbsdx.pro/Apache_OpenOffice/archive/install/sv_inprogress/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.0_FreeBSD_install-arc_sv/openoffice4/program
...
... unopkg sync --verbose -env:UNO_JAVA_JFW_ENV_JREHOME=true 2>&1 | ...
... cleaning the output tree ...
... removing directory /tmp/ooopackaging/i_148371415810048 ...
Error: ERROR: unopkg sync --verbose -env:UNO_JAVA_JFW_ENV_JREHOME=true
2>&1 | failed!
**************************************************
ERROR: ERROR: unopkg sync --verbose -env:UNO_JAVA_JFW_ENV_JREHOME=true
2>&1 | failed!
in function: register_extensions
**************************************************
in function: register_extensionsstopping log at Wed Nov 12 17:36:14 2014
dmake: Error code 255, while making 'openoffice_en-US.archive'
1 module(s):
instsetoo_native
need(s) to be rebuilt
Reason(s):
ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
/usr/ports/editors/openoffice-devel/work/aoo/main/instsetoo_native/util
When you have fixed the errors in that module you can resume the build
by running:
build --from instsetoo_native
*** [do-build] Error code 1
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 10:31:19 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote:
> Tried libreoffice but then I can not add a printer.
Did you try LibreOffice's equivalent of the "spadmin"
program? On my old OO installation it is this one:
/usr/local/openoffice.org-3.3.0/openoffice.org3/program/spadmin
I don't have a LO installation accessible at the
moment, but I was able to add printers with the
equivalent tool I found. Support for CUPS may also
matter.
Today many users seem to prefer LO over OO, because
"LO is the new OO"...
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Burned 9.3 release using
dd if=FreeBSD-9.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img of=/dev/da0 bs=64k
Tried booting an amd athlon xp 2600+, asus a7n8xe-deluze mobo.
I get the spinning bar, then:
BTX Loader 1.00 BTX Version is 1.02
Consoles: internal video/keyboard
BIOS: Drive A: is Disk0
BIOS: Drive C: is Disk1
At this point it hangs.
Suggestions?
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On 2014-11-13 10:41, Polytropon wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 10:31:19 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote:
>> Tried libreoffice but then I can not add a printer.
>
> Did you try LibreOffice's equivalent of the "spadmin"
> program?
No I have not, because I don't know what its called.
> On my old OO installation it is this one:
> /usr/local/openoffice.org-3.3.0/openoffice.org3/program/spadmin
Yes I remember that.
> I don't have a LO installation accessible at the
> moment, but I was able to add printers with the
> equivalent tool I found. Support for CUPS may also
> matter.
>
> Today many users seem to prefer LO over OO, because
> "LO is the new OO"...
Only installed libreoffice because oo don't build.
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you are onto a looser as not even linux can do bluerays properly. Its to do
with player licensing, DRM and opensource incompatibilities.
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> Hi,
>
> Anyone have pointers on playing Blu-Ray discs using FreeBSD?
>
> I installed /multimedia/libbluray from ports. This solved a problem of
> inserted discs spinning forever until the end of time (and actually
> blocking the entire system). But playing the disc does not seem to work w/
> mplayer or xine.
>
> Thanks
>
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Pro programming keyboard should have mechanical keys pref the blue
cherry ones so you can drive your coworkers mad with sounds..
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I dont even see the point of /usr any more when you are talking about BE's,
/usr/local is also questionable to be outside of the BE if all it contains
in binaries and config
On 9 November 2014 19:47, Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 15:30:10 +0000, Mike Clarke wrote:
> > I've never understood the logic of putting /home under /usr. If you
> > ever needed to do a fresh install from scratch it would be all too
> > easy to wipe out all of home when you delete the original contents of
> > /usr.
>
> Exactly, that is a problem to expect. I think this idea
> comes from the "fixed partition size at initialization"
> paradigm where you had to choose how big each partition
> should be, and you could not create more than a - h partitions
> (in the MBR manner). So you thought: / is that big, then
> add swap, /var should be limited to so and so, and the
> rest - well, that will be for installed applications and
> user files, because we don't know how big they might get.
> If we make /usr too small, we'll run out of space, and
> if /home is full, well, users can't store any more data...
>
> With GPT and "numerical partitions", this problem does
> not apply anymore. ZFS can also deal perfectly fine with
> varying numbers of partitions of varying size.
>
> And hard disks are also big and cheap. :-)
>
>
>
> > It goes against the FreeBSD approach of /usr containing material
> > for the base system and /usr/local for the rest. It might have been
> > more appropriate to have /usr/local/home but still far safer to have a
> > top level /home directory.
>
> By "deduction" (applied from "man hier"), /usr/local is
> for installed applications which are managed by the system's
> package maintaining means (ports collection, pkg, portmaster,
> whatever you want). But user files are _not_ subject to
> that maintaining, so they should not be in there.
>
> (That is _one_ possible way of interpretation.)
>
>
>
>
>
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would you be trying to build a transparent L2 firewall/bridge by any
chance? If so its nothing to do with routing as its all at layer2. Im not
sure if the docs are uptodate but start here
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/filtering-bridges/arti=
cle.html
On 11 November 2014 21:36, Jon Radel <jon@radel.com> wrote:
> On 11/11/14, 4:05 PM, "Dante F. B. Col=C3=B2" wrote:
>
>>
>> Sorry, i forgot to mention ,the Cisco router has the ip
>> 189.92.72.9/255.255.255.248, there is no bridgie configured on the
>> Linux (Debian 5 and 6 kernel 2.6) machine ,i just setup these static
>> routes to do that but i really don't know how the Linux TCP stack handle
>> this, anyway thanks for your reply, i'm gonna try the bridge on freebsd
>> and openbsd.
>>
>> No bridge on Linux. Hmmmmm..... You sure you aren't doing something
> like this: http://www.sjdjweis.com/linux/bridging/ If nothing else the
> network diagram looks a whole lot like yours.....
>
> --Jon Radel
> jon@radel.com
>
>
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Hello list,
I have a notebook machine that I've converted to act as a small
low-power server because its hinges have worn out. It's an atom samsung
notebook. The cpu identifies as:
Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N450 @ 1.66GHz
it is 64-bit capable:
Extended feature flags set 1 (CPUID.80000001H:EDX): 20000000
EM64T Intel Extended Memory 64 Technology
so I installed the 10.1-R amd64 memstick. All goes well, it reboots, I
ssh into it and things are fine for a few minnutes but then I get the
following at the console:
mmsk0: watchdog timeout
and I lose the connection, can't ping anything including its gateway
from the device. A reboot will restore connectivity for a short period
but the same thing happens again. I tried with the latest 11 snapshot
and also tried with 10.0-R amd64 and get the same result. Then I tried
with the 10.1-R i386 (in other words, 32 bit) memstick and everything
works fine.
Why the difference?
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What knob do I need to turn to address this?
This em0 is in an LACP bundle with an igb0 that isn't showing this problem.
dev.em.0.%desc: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection 7.3.8
dev.em.0.%driver: em
dev.em.0.%location: slot=25 function=0 handle=\_SB_.PCI0.GLAN
dev.em.0.%pnpinfo: vendor=0x8086 device=0x153b subvendor=0x15d9
subdevice=0x153b class=0x020000
dev.em.0.%parent: pci0
dev.em.0.nvm: -1
dev.em.0.debug: -1
dev.em.0.fc: 3
dev.em.0.rx_int_delay: 0
dev.em.0.tx_int_delay: 66
dev.em.0.rx_abs_int_delay: 66
dev.em.0.tx_abs_int_delay: 66
dev.em.0.itr: 488
dev.em.0.rx_processing_limit: 100
dev.em.0.eee_control: 1
dev.em.0.link_irq: 0
dev.em.0.mbuf_alloc_fail: 52
dev.em.0.cluster_alloc_fail: 0
dev.em.0.dropped: 0
**
dev.em.0.tx_dma_fail: 1834648
dev.em.0.rx_overruns: 3109
**
dev.em.0.watchdog_timeouts: 0
dev.em.0.device_control: 1209532992
dev.em.0.rx_control: 67141634
dev.em.0.fc_high_water: 23584
dev.em.0.fc_low_water: 20552
dev.em.0.queue0.txd_head: 577
dev.em.0.queue0.txd_tail: 577
dev.em.0.queue0.tx_irq: 0
dev.em.0.queue0.no_desc_avail: 0
dev.em.0.queue0.rxd_head: 967
dev.em.0.queue0.rxd_tail: 966
dev.em.0.queue0.rx_irq: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.excess_coll: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.single_coll: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.multiple_coll: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.late_coll: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.collision_count: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.symbol_errors: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.sequence_errors: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.defer_count: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.missed_packets: 61094
dev.em.0.mac_stats.recv_no_buff: 60008
dev.em.0.mac_stats.recv_undersize: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.recv_fragmented: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.recv_oversize: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.recv_jabber: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.recv_errs: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.crc_errs: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.alignment_errs: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.coll_ext_errs: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.xon_recvd: 40226659
dev.em.0.mac_stats.xon_txd: 2132
dev.em.0.mac_stats.xoff_recvd: 40241216
dev.em.0.mac_stats.xoff_txd: 2073563
dev.em.0.mac_stats.total_pkts_recvd: 3219537541
dev.em.0.mac_stats.good_pkts_recvd: 3139008594
dev.em.0.mac_stats.bcast_pkts_recvd: 3953817
dev.em.0.mac_stats.mcast_pkts_recvd: 607157
dev.em.0.mac_stats.rx_frames_64: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.rx_frames_65_127: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.rx_frames_128_255: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.rx_frames_256_511: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.rx_frames_512_1023: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.rx_frames_1024_1522: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.good_octets_recvd: 3527296369841
dev.em.0.mac_stats.good_octets_txd: 14348531993101
dev.em.0.mac_stats.total_pkts_txd: 10735190291
dev.em.0.mac_stats.good_pkts_txd: 10733114595
dev.em.0.mac_stats.bcast_pkts_txd: 14
dev.em.0.mac_stats.mcast_pkts_txd: 54334
dev.em.0.mac_stats.tx_frames_64: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.tx_frames_65_127: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.tx_frames_128_255: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.tx_frames_256_511: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.tx_frames_512_1023: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.tx_frames_1024_1522: 0
dev.em.0.mac_stats.tso_txd: 902605586
dev.em.0.mac_stats.tso_ctx_fail: 0
dev.em.0.interrupts.asserts: 1392541431
dev.em.0.interrupts.rx_pkt_timer: 0
dev.em.0.interrupts.rx_abs_timer: 0
dev.em.0.interrupts.tx_pkt_timer: 0
dev.em.0.interrupts.tx_abs_timer: 0
dev.em.0.interrupts.tx_queue_empty: 0
dev.em.0.interrupts.tx_queue_min_thresh: 0
dev.em.0.interrupts.rx_desc_min_thresh: 0
dev.em.0.interrupts.rx_overrun: 0
dev.em.0.wake: 0
dev.igb.0.%desc: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection version - 2.3.10
dev.igb.0.%driver: igb
dev.igb.0.%location: slot=0 function=0 handle=\_SB_.PCI0.RP04.PXSX
dev.igb.0.%pnpinfo: vendor=0x8086 device=0x1533 subvendor=0x15d9
subdevice=0x1533 class=0x020000
dev.igb.0.%parent: pci5
dev.igb.0.nvm: -1
dev.igb.0.enable_aim: 1
dev.igb.0.fc: 3
dev.igb.0.rx_processing_limit: 100
dev.igb.0.dmac: 0
dev.igb.0.eee_disabled: 0
dev.igb.0.link_irq: 33
dev.igb.0.dropped: 0
dev.igb.0.tx_dma_fail: 0
dev.igb.0.rx_overruns: 0
dev.igb.0.watchdog_timeouts: 0
dev.igb.0.device_control: 1209795137
dev.igb.0.rx_control: 71335938
dev.igb.0.interrupt_mask: 4
dev.igb.0.extended_int_mask: 2147483679
dev.igb.0.tx_buf_alloc: 0
dev.igb.0.rx_buf_alloc: 0
dev.igb.0.fc_high_water: 31328
dev.igb.0.fc_low_water: 31312
dev.igb.0.queue0.no_desc_avail: 0
dev.igb.0.queue0.tx_packets: 62464141
dev.igb.0.queue0.rx_packets: 73012939
dev.igb.0.queue0.rx_bytes: 22529663814
dev.igb.0.queue0.lro_queued: 0
dev.igb.0.queue0.lro_flushed: 0
dev.igb.0.queue1.no_desc_avail: 0
dev.igb.0.queue1.tx_packets: 404298046
dev.igb.0.queue1.rx_packets: 307675818
dev.igb.0.queue1.rx_bytes: 185919902229
dev.igb.0.queue1.lro_queued: 0
dev.igb.0.queue1.lro_flushed: 0
dev.igb.0.queue2.no_desc_avail: 0
dev.igb.0.queue2.tx_packets: 3441053015
dev.igb.0.queue2.rx_packets: 5511826751
dev.igb.0.queue2.rx_bytes: 3054219311510
dev.igb.0.queue2.lro_queued: 0
dev.igb.0.queue2.lro_flushed: 0
dev.igb.0.queue3.no_desc_avail: 0
dev.igb.0.queue3.tx_packets: 1047838830
dev.igb.0.queue3.rx_packets: 1987495318
dev.igb.0.queue3.rx_bytes: 2696179247028
dev.igb.0.queue3.lro_queued: 0
dev.igb.0.queue3.lro_flushed: 0
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.excess_coll: 0
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.single_coll: 0
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.multiple_coll: 0
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.late_coll: 0
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.collision_count: 0
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.symbol_errors: 0
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.sequence_errors: 0
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.defer_count: 283811
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.missed_packets: 9449
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.recv_no_buff: 340
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.recv_undersize: 0
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.recv_fragmented: 0
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.recv_oversize: 0
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.recv_jabber: 0
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.recv_errs: 0
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.crc_errs: 0
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.alignment_errs: 0
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.coll_ext_errs: 0
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.xon_recvd: 46255557
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.xon_txd: 261
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.xoff_recvd: 46255994
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.xoff_txd: 7027
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.total_pkts_recvd: 7975033582
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.good_pkts_recvd: 7880001465
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.bcast_pkts_recvd: 5783868
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.mcast_pkts_recvd: 563315
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.rx_frames_64: 28412906
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.rx_frames_65_127: 3310187919
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.rx_frames_128_255: 784920450
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.rx_frames_256_511: 17225962
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.rx_frames_512_1023: 73415350
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.rx_frames_1024_1522: 3665838878
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.good_octets_recvd: 5990356613544
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.good_octets_txd: 46326753008181
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.total_pkts_txd: 33016014138
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.good_pkts_txd: 33016006850
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.bcast_pkts_txd: 834
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.mcast_pkts_txd: 54331
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.tx_frames_64: 30741691
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.tx_frames_65_127: 2174824217
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.tx_frames_128_255: 139804927
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.tx_frames_256_511: 59190261
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.tx_frames_512_1023: 386886648
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.tx_frames_1024_1522: 30224559106
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.tso_txd: 2384636909
dev.igb.0.mac_stats.tso_ctx_fail: 0
dev.igb.0.interrupts.asserts: 4556119857
dev.igb.0.interrupts.rx_pkt_timer: 7879778770
dev.igb.0.interrupts.rx_abs_timer: 0
dev.igb.0.interrupts.tx_pkt_timer: 0
dev.igb.0.interrupts.tx_abs_timer: 0
dev.igb.0.interrupts.tx_queue_empty: 33015268817
dev.igb.0.interrupts.tx_queue_min_thresh: 7880001470
dev.igb.0.interrupts.rx_desc_min_thresh: 0
dev.igb.0.interrupts.rx_overrun: 0
dev.igb.0.host.breaker_tx_pkt: 0
dev.igb.0.host.host_tx_pkt_discard: 0
dev.igb.0.host.rx_pkt: 222702
dev.igb.0.host.breaker_rx_pkts: 0
dev.igb.0.host.breaker_rx_pkt_drop: 0
dev.igb.0.host.tx_good_pkt: 738033
dev.igb.0.host.breaker_tx_pkt_drop: 0
dev.igb.0.host.rx_good_bytes: 5990357073320
dev.igb.0.host.tx_good_bytes: 46326753008181
dev.igb.0.host.length_errors: 0
dev.igb.0.host.serdes_violation_pkt: 0
dev.igb.0.host.header_redir_missed: 0
dev.igb.0.wake: 0
hw.em.eee_setting: 1
hw.em.rx_process_limit: 100
hw.em.enable_msix: 1
hw.em.sbp: 0
hw.em.smart_pwr_down: 0
hw.em.txd: 1024
hw.em.rxd: 1024
hw.em.rx_abs_int_delay: 66
hw.em.tx_abs_int_delay: 66
hw.em.rx_int_delay: 0
hw.em.tx_int_delay: 66
hw.igb.rx_process_limit: 100
hw.igb.num_queues: 0
hw.igb.header_split: 0
hw.igb.buf_ring_size: 4096
hw.igb.max_interrupt_rate: 8000
hw.igb.enable_msix: 1
hw.igb.enable_aim: 1
hw.igb.txd: 1024
hw.igb.rxd: 1024
FreeBSD systemname.com 9.2-RELEASE-p10 FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE-p10 #0 r270148M:
Mon Aug 18 23:14:36 EDT 2014 root@peta108:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CUSTOM10
amd64
em0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 1500
options=4019b<RXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU,VLAN_HWTAGGING,VLAN_HWCSUM,TSO4,VLAN_HWTSO>
ether 00:25:90:f2:2d:24
inet6 fe80::225:90ff:fef2:2d24%em0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2
nd6 options=29<PERFORMNUD,IFDISABLED,AUTO_LINKLOCAL>
media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT <full-duplex>)
status: active
igb0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 1500
options=401bb<RXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU,VLAN_HWTAGGING,JUMBO_MTU,VLAN_HWCSUM,TSO4,VLAN_HWTSO>
ether 00:25:90:f2:2d:24
inet6 fe80::225:90ff:fef2:2d25%igb0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x4
nd6 options=29<PERFORMNUD,IFDISABLED,AUTO_LINKLOCAL>
media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT <full-duplex>)
status: active
lo0: flags=8049<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 16384
options=600003<RXCSUM,TXCSUM,RXCSUM_IPV6,TXCSUM_IPV6>
inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128
inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x7
inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000
nd6 options=21<PERFORMNUD,AUTO_LINKLOCAL>
lagg0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 1500
options=4019b<RXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU,VLAN_HWTAGGING,VLAN_HWCSUM,TSO4,VLAN_HWTSO>
ether 00:25:90:f2:2d:24
inet 192.168.0.108 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255
inet6 fe80::225:90ff:fef2:2d24%lagg0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x8
nd6 options=29<PERFORMNUD,IFDISABLED,AUTO_LINKLOCAL>
media: Ethernet autoselect
status: active
laggproto lacp lagghash l2,l3,l4
laggport: igb0 flags=1c<ACTIVE,COLLECTING,DISTRIBUTING>
laggport: em0 flags=1c<ACTIVE,COLLECTING,DISTRIBUTING>
Thanks in advance!
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Ed,
Sorry about being so late responding to this (again)....
This seems to be a problem....
OpenNMS tends to port only to Linux (which is why I want to do FreeBSD port)
Here's the problem... They only use the 64-bit Oracle JDK7/8.
We don't have an apples-apples comparison.
We only have 32-bit Oracle JDK on Linux (Any idea when that 64-bit
linuxlator is coming? :-) )
So, they don't use OpenJDK at OpenNMS as they have a 'problem' with
certain things working correctly. *shrug*
So, here we have a problem of we don't have a way of finding out if it's
the platform, the app, or the JDK.
How do we proceed?
P.
We only have the
On 10/29/2014 11:29, Ed Maste wrote:
> On 29 October 2014 10:54, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions
> <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Someone pointed out that the Oracle JDK will, again, be available.
> We have support from Oracle getting access to the test suite, to
> ensure that OpenJDK works properly in FreeBSD. I am not aware of
> Oracle having any plans to release an Oracle JDK for FreeBSD.
>
> If the bug exists in OpenJDK on other platforms as well then it will
> need to be fixed upstream and we'll bring the fix in. If it's
> FreeBSD-specific then I'd suggest submitting a PR with the details and
> reproduction case if possible.
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On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 3:47 PM, krad <kraduk@gmail.com> wrote:
> you are onto a looser as not even linux can do bluerays properly. Its to do
> with player licensing, DRM and opensource incompatibilities.
>
You need to remove the DRM with tools like Slysoft's AnyDVD-HD,
which, unfortunately, runs only under Windows. You may want to try
it under Wine, but I don't know whether it's been successfully done or
not.
>
> On 9 November 2014 10:17, Waitman Gobble <gobble.wa@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >
> > Anyone have pointers on playing Blu-Ray discs using FreeBSD?
> >
> > I installed /multimedia/libbluray from ports. This solved a problem of
> > inserted discs spinning forever until the end of time (and actually
> > blocking the entire system). But playing the disc does not seem to work
> w/
> > mplayer or xine.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
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> On 2014-11-13 10:41, Polytropon wrote:
> > On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 10:31:19 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote:
> >> Tried libreoffice but then I can not add a printer.
> >
> > Did you try LibreOffice's equivalent of the "spadmin"
> > program?
>
> No I have not, because I don't know what its called.
It's called similarly to the OO equivalent. I found it
by searching for "spadmin" or just "admin" in the LO
subtree. With this program, you can add the printers.
> Only installed libreoffice because oo don't build.
If I may ask: Why do you prefer OO? I always thought
that today's narrative is "LO is the new OO", so why
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On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 04:25:18PM +0530, arnab bhowmick wrote:
> i am new to freebsd. how to install eclipse or netbeans compiler in freebsd
> 9.3?
Please use the freebsd-questions@ mailing list for questions like that.
To install eclipse and netbeans use "pkg install":
pkg install eclipse
pkg install netbeans
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On 2014-11-14 07:20, Polytropon wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 11:01:53 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote:
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>> On 2014-11-13 10:41, Polytropon wrote:
>>> On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 10:31:19 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote:
>>>> Tried libreoffice but then I can not add a printer.
>>>
>>> Did you try LibreOffice's equivalent of the "spadmin"
>>> program?
>>
>> No I have not, because I don't know what its called.
>
> It's called similarly to the OO equivalent. I found it
> by searching for "spadmin" or just "admin" in the LO
> subtree. With this program, you can add the printers.
Don't have that program.
>
>> Only installed libreoffice because oo don't build.
>
> If I may ask: Why do you prefer OO? I always thought
> that today's narrative is "LO is the new OO", so why
> use OO when LO is "better"?
I don't prefer OO, only installed OO because LO's inability to print.
But since OO don't build and LO won't print, don't know what to do next.
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--As of November 10, 2014 9:57:02 AM -0800, Chris Maness is alleged to have
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> I am looking to replace a huge noisy old server that I have used for years
> for my home business. Looking for something inexpensive and relatively
> small to replace it with. Any recommendations guys/gals? I was even
> thinking of buying a used laptop to run FreeBSD on and set it and forget
> it. Not sure what options are out there as I have not put together a
> server in many years.
--As for the rest, it is mine.
The Netgate[^1] boxes are worth looking at. Various cost/capability
points, depending on your use. The FW-7551 is especially interesting (I
have it's predecessor, running OpenBSD, as my firewall - a more 'normal'
use for it). SATA, a small footprint, and fairly low power, with a CPU
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I have used a lot of different Netgate boxes (all freebsd/pfsense) and can
speak very highly of the hardware as well as the netgate customer
service/support.
That being said, from time to time we've searched for a 1U rackmount
formfactor box with dual (minimum, prefer three) gig Ethernet ports and have
yet to find anything that is both fine with freebsd AND at a pricepoint that
we can base a commodity appliance off of. The key difficulty seems to be the
1U rackmount formfactor. An added plus would be if it could have the
rackmount ears taken off and wall mounted optionally.
Jay West
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> I am looking to replace a huge noisy old server that I have used for
> years for my home business. Looking for something inexpensive and
> relatively small to replace it with. Any recommendations guys/gals?
> I was even thinking of buying a used laptop to run FreeBSD on and set
> it and forget it. Not sure what options are out there as I have not
> put together a server in many years.
--As for the rest, it is mine.
The Netgate[^1] boxes are worth looking at. Various cost/capability points,
depending on your use. The FW-7551 is especially interesting (I have it's
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On Mon 2014-11-10 09:57:02 UTC-0800, Chris Maness (chris@chrismaness.com) wrote:
> I am looking to replace a huge noisy old server that I have used for
> years for my home business. Looking for something inexpensive and
> relatively small to replace it with. Any recommendations guys/gals?
> I was even thinking of buying a used laptop to run FreeBSD on and set
> it and forget it. Not sure what options are out there as I have not
> put together a server in many years.
HP Microservers are very popular for home servers. They are also
almost completely silent and have low power consumption.
A laptop might work but you may be looking at heat issues running it
24/7, and also have problems later down the track if you want to add
more memory or additional hard drives.
Regards
Andrew
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I'm still a fan of Soekris. I have a net6501-70 w/an SLC mSATA boot drive
and a large-capacity MLC mSATA (everything but the root fs). Fanless,
serial console, works just fine with recent FreeBSD versions 8+
- M
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Chris Maness <chris@chrismaness.com> wrote:
> I am looking to replace a huge noisy old server that I have used for years
> for my home business. Looking for something inexpensive and relatively
> small to replace it with. Any recommendations guys/gals? I was even
> thinking of buying a used laptop to run FreeBSD on and set it and forget
> it. Not sure what options are out there as I have not put together a
> server in many years.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris Maness
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Hello,
I don't know if this is the right mailing list to post this; if not please
accept my apologizes, as I don't want to spam your communication medium.
Perhaps you could also direct me to a more appropriate place to post this.
Fact is that when using freebsd years ago, I was amazed by both the
technical quality and the communication standard offered by it's mailing
lists. Today I hope my work might encounter a positive resonance within the
freebsd developper-community, and that even if it's not directly
freebsd-related at the moment, it will perhaps benefit the project in the
long term.
In any case, here is my message:
Years ago, I've posted something about an artificial intelligence project.
Well, things have evolved to a point where I think *it *could theoretically
(=on a philosophical level) work, and am now looking for coders interested
in helping me transcript this theory into something programmable.
I've written a summary-draft to give an overview of the model I'm working
on, which is accessible here: https://github.com/phil-ai/AI
It's mostly philosophy at the moment, put as simply as I could, and really
more like a hobby project, so please don't expect the moon.
Again, my point is to present a model of consciousness to people way more
knowledgeable in programming than I am, hoping to trigger enough feedback
to slowly translate this model into a plan. No actual coding yet. Thus any
question / comment is welcomed, as long as it is done in a constructive way.
Really helpful would be something like this: you can imagine how you'd
program it while reading the text, and post me whatever problem you think
will show up, so I can refine the model, and so on.
Hoping for the best,
Felix
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Hello Chris,
On 10 November 2014 09:57, Chris Maness <chris@chrismaness.com> wrote:
> I am looking to replace a huge noisy old server that I have used for years
> for my home business. Looking for something inexpensive and relatively
> small to replace it with. Any recommendations guys/gals? I was even
> thinking of buying a used laptop to run FreeBSD on and set it and forget
> it. Not sure what options are out there as I have not put together a
> server in many years.
>
1. This was referenced on the BSD subreddit with openBSD as a firewall:
http://www.pcengines.ch/apu1d.htm
I may consider purchasing this to try out pf and get more in depth
knowledge of openBSD.
I haven't looked closely enough at it to make 100% certain it will run
freebsd but I don't see why not. I like that it has three gigabit
ports with console access, too.
2. I have freebsd 10.1-RC4 running on a Beagle Bone black with thttpd
compiled from ports. I used to get bummed that packages are old for
the ARM platform, but having ports available is very nice and gets me
through installing some apps. I know tarsnap won't install on the BBB,
could be something I can look into, though.
Let us know what you decide!
> Thanks,
> Chris Maness
jb
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On 11/14/2014 3:33 pm, jungle Boogie wrote:
> Hello Chris,
> On 10 November 2014 09:57, Chris Maness <chris@chrismaness.com> wrote:
>> I am looking to replace a huge noisy old server that I have used for
>> years
>> for my home business. Looking for something inexpensive and
>> relatively
>> small to replace it with. Any recommendations guys/gals? I was even
>> thinking of buying a used laptop to run FreeBSD on and set it and
>> forget
>> it. Not sure what options are out there as I have not put together a
>> server in many years.
>>
>
> 1. This was referenced on the BSD subreddit with openBSD as a firewall:
> http://www.pcengines.ch/apu1d.htm
>
> I may consider purchasing this to try out pf and get more in depth
> knowledge of openBSD.
>
> I haven't looked closely enough at it to make 100% certain it will run
> freebsd but I don't see why not. I like that it has three gigabit
> ports with console access, too.
netgate sells the DIY kits, and systems with preinstalled pfSense built
on these boards. Shouldn't be any issues running FreeBSD on them.
>
> 2. I have freebsd 10.1-RC4 running on a Beagle Bone black with thttpd
> compiled from ports. I used to get bummed that packages are old for
> the ARM platform, but having ports available is very nice and gets me
> through installing some apps. I know tarsnap won't install on the BBB,
> could be something I can look into, though.
>
>
> Let us know what you decide!
>
>> Thanks,
>> Chris Maness
>
> jb
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 14:51:55 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote:
> On 2014-11-14 07:20, Polytropon wrote:
> > On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 11:01:53 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2014-11-13 10:41, Polytropon wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 10:31:19 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote:
> >>>> Tried libreoffice but then I can not add a printer.
> >>>
> >>> Did you try LibreOffice's equivalent of the "spadmin"
> >>> program?
> >>
> >> No I have not, because I don't know what its called.
> >
> > It's called similarly to the OO equivalent. I found it
> > by searching for "spadmin" or just "admin" in the LO
> > subtree. With this program, you can add the printers.
>
> Don't have that program.
Really? Uh... Some months ago, I achtually _did_ install
LibreOffice and then found that particular program. Sadly
I didn't make a written note about how it was called and
where it was located, but it was there, if my memory (which
I don't trust) doesn't fail me...
> >> Only installed libreoffice because oo don't build.
> >
> > If I may ask: Why do you prefer OO? I always thought
> > that today's narrative is "LO is the new OO", so why
> > use OO when LO is "better"?
>
> I don't prefer OO, only installed OO because LO's inability to print.
> But since OO don't build and LO won't print, don't know what to do next.
You could try GOffice (the Gnome office suite). If you
need word processing, install AbiWord. For spreadsheets,
there's GNumeric. Those are individual programs.
Or you could try to install OO via package if the port
doesn't build.
--
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Hi Dean,
On Nov 14, 2014 1:49 PM, "dweimer" <dweimer@dweimer.net> wrote:
>>
>> I haven't looked closely enough at it to make 100% certain it will run
>> freebsd but I don't see why not. I like that it has three gigabit
>> ports with console access, too.
>
>
> netgate sells the DIY kits, and systems with preinstalled pfSense built
on these boards. Shouldn't be any issues running FreeBSD on them.
>
I didn't see the gigabit edition on their site but it would be really great
if they sold it so I could save on shipping.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Chris Maness
>>
>>
>> jb
>
>
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What's the build error you're getting? Which version? I will try and build it.
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 14:51:55 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote:
>> On 2014-11-14 07:20, Polytropon wrote:
>> > On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 11:01:53 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 2014-11-13 10:41, Polytropon wrote:
>> >>> On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 10:31:19 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote:
>> >>>> Tried libreoffice but then I can not add a printer.
>> >>>
>> >>> Did you try LibreOffice's equivalent of the "spadmin"
>> >>> program?
>> >>
>> >> No I have not, because I don't know what its called.
>> >
>> > It's called similarly to the OO equivalent. I found it
>> > by searching for "spadmin" or just "admin" in the LO
>> > subtree. With this program, you can add the printers.
>>
>> Don't have that program.
>
> Really? Uh... Some months ago, I achtually _did_ install
> LibreOffice and then found that particular program. Sadly
> I didn't make a written note about how it was called and
> where it was located, but it was there, if my memory (which
> I don't trust) doesn't fail me...
>
>
>
>> >> Only installed libreoffice because oo don't build.
>> >
>> > If I may ask: Why do you prefer OO? I always thought
>> > that today's narrative is "LO is the new OO", so why
>> > use OO when LO is "better"?
>>
>> I don't prefer OO, only installed OO because LO's inability to print.
>> But since OO don't build and LO won't print, don't know what to do next.
>
> You could try GOffice (the Gnome office suite). If you
> need word processing, install AbiWord. For spreadsheets,
> there's GNumeric. Those are individual programs.
>
> Or you could try to install OO via package if the port
> doesn't build.
>
>
>
> --
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Hey all,
I've started using Ansible to make my life easier while managing a lot
of jails. I've used ezjail up until now, but if I am using automation to
manage them anyway, I might as well let Ansible setup the jails in an
even more restrictive way. I am aware of the existence of bsdploy, but
that uses ezjail and I'm aiming for an even more locked down system.
goal:
-make it impossible to install programs from inside the jail, only
install them from outside the jail with pkg -j
-make it impossible to edit any configuration files from inside the jail
since that can be done from the host.
So my question is, how much can be made read-only?
And what needs to be kept writable at a minimum for this to work?
/tmp
/var/log (configure syslog server so logs don't need to be stored locally?)
/var/tmp?
/var/db?
Anything I'm missing or other directories that should be writable? It
will of course depend per application, but I only run one service per
jail. So application specific exceptions will be made while configuring
the jail in the ansible playbook.
Maybe I'm overlooking something and this is a bad idea because $reason?
Any other advice / tips?
Thank you for your time!
Kind Regards,
Robert Sevat
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Robert Sevat wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I've started using Ansible to make my life easier while managing a lot
> of jails. I've used ezjail up until now, but if I am using automation to
> manage them anyway, I might as well let Ansible setup the jails in an
> even more restrictive way. I am aware of the existence of bsdploy, but
> that uses ezjail and I'm aiming for an even more locked down system.
>
> goal:
> -make it impossible to install programs from inside the jail, only
> install them from outside the jail with pkg -j
> -make it impossible to edit any configuration files from inside the jail
> since that can be done from the host.
>
> So my question is, how much can be made read-only?
>
> And what needs to be kept writable at a minimum for this to work?
> /tmp
> /var/log (configure syslog server so logs don't need to be stored locally?)
> /var/tmp?
> /var/db?
>
> Anything I'm missing or other directories that should be writable? It
> will of course depend per application, but I only run one service per
> jail. So application specific exceptions will be made while configuring
> the jail in the ansible playbook.
>
> Maybe I'm overlooking something and this is a bad idea because $reason?
> Any other advice / tips?
>
> Thank you for your time!
>
> Kind Regards,
> Robert Sevat
>
If your jail config files and running directories [system & user] are
read-only you can not install packages from the host. Your whole concept
is flawed from the getgo.
[ansible] is a software product you have to purchase. If your supporting
a large enterprise then maybe the $1000.00 per year cost can be
justified. The Freebsd port is just the 30 day free trial version.
I suggest you checkout the qjail utility.
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On 11/15/2014 08:00 AM, Luzar wrote:
> Robert Sevat wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've started using Ansible to make my life easier while managing a lot
>> of jails. I've used ezjail up until now, but if I am using automation to
>> manage them anyway, I might as well let Ansible setup the jails in an
>> even more restrictive way. I am aware of the existence of bsdploy, but
>> that uses ezjail and I'm aiming for an even more locked down system.
>>
>> goal:
>> -make it impossible to install programs from inside the jail, only
>> install them from outside the jail with pkg -j
>> -make it impossible to edit any configuration files from inside the jail
>> since that can be done from the host.
>>
>> So my question is, how much can be made read-only?
>>
>> And what needs to be kept writable at a minimum for this to work?
>> /tmp
>> /var/log (configure syslog server so logs don't need to be stored
>> locally?)
>> /var/tmp?
>> /var/db?
>>
>> Anything I'm missing or other directories that should be writable? It
>> will of course depend per application, but I only run one service per
>> jail. So application specific exceptions will be made while configuring
>> the jail in the ansible playbook.
>>
>> Maybe I'm overlooking something and this is a bad idea because $reason?
>> Any other advice / tips?
>>
>> Thank you for your time!
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Robert Sevat
>>
>
> If your jail config files and running directories [system & user] are
> read-only you can not install packages from the host. Your whole concept
> is flawed from the getgo.
>
> [ansible] is a software product you have to purchase. If your supporting
> a large enterprise then maybe the $1000.00 per year cost can be
> justified. The Freebsd port is just the 30 day free trial version.
>
> I suggest you checkout the qjail utility.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Hey,
Ansible is free and opensource if you use it on the command line. Only
ansible-tower the enterprise gui offering is paid.
The jail is only read-only from inside the jail. From outside the jail
you can edit the files just like any other file.
Pkg with the -j option works will indeed not work since that executes in
the jail.
But "pkg -c /usr/jails/apache install whois" does work. So the concept
isn't flawed. Qjail is a fork of ezjail and isn't what I'm looking for.
Kind Regards,
Robert Sevat
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Hi Robert,
First, I don't have any FreeBSD accessible now, so my answer will be
quite imprecise.
2014-11-15 6:14 GMT+01:00 Robert Sevat <robert@indylix.nl>:
> I've started using Ansible to make my life easier while managing a lot
> of jails.
Great, Ansible is a very usefull tool ! I never tried on FreeBSD, is
it well supported ?
> So my question is, how much can be made read-only?
I already done this kind of things in the past. If my memory is good,
I set all /tmp and /var RW and works well with almost services. You
can probably be more restrictive, but, is it really usefull ?
If I had to do this kind of thing now, I would try to do same as a
diskless boot.
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-diskless.html
man diskless
The /etc/rc.initdiskless script (or something like this), after mount
/ in RO by NFS, create a memory filesystem populated by a template
for, generaly, /var and /etc (I can't explain why the diskless
documentation say to do /etc too).
Using this principe, no change on disk is possible, only in RAM.
It seems to me that the script is well documented, you probably can
adapt it to fill your needs.
Regards,
--
Nicolas
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man igb contains the section
kern.ipc.nmbclusters
The maximum number of mbuf clusters allowed. If the system has
more than one igb card or jumbo frames are enabled, this value
will need to be increased.
Given that I'm in the process of setting up a new server with two igb
interfaces, is there a suggestion for what I should set it to?
My current value is
root@arthur:4# sysctl kern.ipc.nmbclusters
kern.ipc.nmbclusters: 2020126
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It looks like FreeBSD may be a victim of this bug:
http://www.intel.com.au/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/specificatio=
n-updates/82574-gbe-controller-spec-update.pdf
17. Tx Data Corruption When Using TCP Segmentation Offload
Problem: When using TSO, a situation can occur where a PCIe MRd request is
repeated with the
same address, resulting in data corruption. At the end of the TCP packet,
the Tx DMA
hangs because the length doesn't match. This can only occur when the
following are
true:
=E2=80=A2 The first buffer of the packet is larger than [3 * (max_read_requ=
est -
4)].
=E2=80=A2 There is a 4 KB boundary within 64 bytes following the end of the=
header
bytes in
the buffer
Implication: Possible data corruption since a TCP packet is transmitted
containing the wrong data but
with the correct checksum.
Data transmission halts as the Tx DMA module enters a hang state.
Workaround: The failure can be avoided by ensuring at least one of the
following:
=E2=80=A2 The buffer containing the headers should not be larger than [3 *
(max_read_request - 4)]. To meet this requirement even for the minimum
value of
128 bytes for max_read_request, the buffer should not be larger than 372
bytes.
=E2=80=A2 The alignment of the buffer containing the headers should be such=
that
there is no
4 KB boundary within 64 bytes following the end of the header bytes.
Assuming
standard Ethernet/IP/TCP headers of 54 bytes, this means that the buffer
should
not start 54-118 bytes before a 4 KB boundary. For example, 128-byte
alignment
for this buffer could be used to fulfill this condition.
This problem has not been reported when using an Intel Linux* or Windows*
drivers.
Current analysis shows it is very unlikely for a situation to exist that
would cause the
82574 to be at risk for the errata when using the Intel Linux or Windows
drivers.
Linux and other distros seem to have fixed it. This could be getting
exercised because FreeBSD recently changed the default buffer size above
256 for this driver.
Since I didn't want to reboot to try the lower buffer size, I turned off
TSO on all the machines that I'd checked that were actively incrementing
tx_dma_fail for em interfaces then re-enabled their membership into the
LACP.
In brief testing, (few gigabits for a few minutes) tx_dma_fail has not
incremented and throughput has not been negatively impacted (before vs
after re-enable).
This is so anyone else who is scratching their head about why em
performance is terrible can solve it.
Best,
FF
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 1:52 PM, FF <fusionfoto@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What knob do I need to turn to address this?
>
> This em0 is in an LACP bundle with an igb0 that isn't showing this proble=
m.
>
> dev.em.0.%desc: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection 7.3.8
> dev.em.0.%driver: em
> dev.em.0.%location: slot=3D25 function=3D0 handle=3D\_SB_.PCI0.GLAN
> dev.em.0.%pnpinfo: vendor=3D0x8086 device=3D0x153b subvendor=3D0x15d9
> subdevice=3D0x153b class=3D0x020000
> dev.em.0.%parent: pci0
> dev.em.0.nvm: -1
> dev.em.0.debug: -1
> dev.em.0.fc: 3
> dev.em.0.rx_int_delay: 0
> dev.em.0.tx_int_delay: 66
> dev.em.0.rx_abs_int_delay: 66
> dev.em.0.tx_abs_int_delay: 66
> dev.em.0.itr: 488
> dev.em.0.rx_processing_limit: 100
> dev.em.0.eee_control: 1
> dev.em.0.link_irq: 0
> dev.em.0.mbuf_alloc_fail: 52
> dev.em.0.cluster_alloc_fail: 0
> dev.em.0.dropped: 0
> **
> dev.em.0.tx_dma_fail: 1834648
> dev.em.0.rx_overruns: 3109
> **
> dev.em.0.watchdog_timeouts: 0
> dev.em.0.device_control: 1209532992
> dev.em.0.rx_control: 67141634
> dev.em.0.fc_high_water: 23584
> dev.em.0.fc_low_water: 20552
> dev.em.0.queue0.txd_head: 577
> dev.em.0.queue0.txd_tail: 577
> dev.em.0.queue0.tx_irq: 0
> dev.em.0.queue0.no_desc_avail: 0
> dev.em.0.queue0.rxd_head: 967
> dev.em.0.queue0.rxd_tail: 966
> dev.em.0.queue0.rx_irq: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.excess_coll: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.single_coll: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.multiple_coll: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.late_coll: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.collision_count: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.symbol_errors: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.sequence_errors: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.defer_count: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.missed_packets: 61094
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.recv_no_buff: 60008
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.recv_undersize: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.recv_fragmented: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.recv_oversize: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.recv_jabber: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.recv_errs: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.crc_errs: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.alignment_errs: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.coll_ext_errs: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.xon_recvd: 40226659
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.xon_txd: 2132
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.xoff_recvd: 40241216
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.xoff_txd: 2073563
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.total_pkts_recvd: 3219537541
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.good_pkts_recvd: 3139008594
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.bcast_pkts_recvd: 3953817
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.mcast_pkts_recvd: 607157
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.rx_frames_64: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.rx_frames_65_127: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.rx_frames_128_255: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.rx_frames_256_511: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.rx_frames_512_1023: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.rx_frames_1024_1522: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.good_octets_recvd: 3527296369841
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.good_octets_txd: 14348531993101
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.total_pkts_txd: 10735190291
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.good_pkts_txd: 10733114595
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.bcast_pkts_txd: 14
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.mcast_pkts_txd: 54334
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.tx_frames_64: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.tx_frames_65_127: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.tx_frames_128_255: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.tx_frames_256_511: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.tx_frames_512_1023: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.tx_frames_1024_1522: 0
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.tso_txd: 902605586
> dev.em.0.mac_stats.tso_ctx_fail: 0
> dev.em.0.interrupts.asserts: 1392541431
> dev.em.0.interrupts.rx_pkt_timer: 0
> dev.em.0.interrupts.rx_abs_timer: 0
> dev.em.0.interrupts.tx_pkt_timer: 0
> dev.em.0.interrupts.tx_abs_timer: 0
> dev.em.0.interrupts.tx_queue_empty: 0
> dev.em.0.interrupts.tx_queue_min_thresh: 0
> dev.em.0.interrupts.rx_desc_min_thresh: 0
> dev.em.0.interrupts.rx_overrun: 0
> dev.em.0.wake: 0
>
> dev.igb.0.%desc: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection version - 2.3.10
> dev.igb.0.%driver: igb
> dev.igb.0.%location: slot=3D0 function=3D0 handle=3D\_SB_.PCI0.RP04.PXSX
> dev.igb.0.%pnpinfo: vendor=3D0x8086 device=3D0x1533 subvendor=3D0x15d9
> subdevice=3D0x1533 class=3D0x020000
> dev.igb.0.%parent: pci5
> dev.igb.0.nvm: -1
> dev.igb.0.enable_aim: 1
> dev.igb.0.fc: 3
> dev.igb.0.rx_processing_limit: 100
> dev.igb.0.dmac: 0
> dev.igb.0.eee_disabled: 0
> dev.igb.0.link_irq: 33
> dev.igb.0.dropped: 0
> dev.igb.0.tx_dma_fail: 0
> dev.igb.0.rx_overruns: 0
> dev.igb.0.watchdog_timeouts: 0
> dev.igb.0.device_control: 1209795137
> dev.igb.0.rx_control: 71335938
> dev.igb.0.interrupt_mask: 4
> dev.igb.0.extended_int_mask: 2147483679
> dev.igb.0.tx_buf_alloc: 0
> dev.igb.0.rx_buf_alloc: 0
> dev.igb.0.fc_high_water: 31328
> dev.igb.0.fc_low_water: 31312
> dev.igb.0.queue0.no_desc_avail: 0
> dev.igb.0.queue0.tx_packets: 62464141
> dev.igb.0.queue0.rx_packets: 73012939
> dev.igb.0.queue0.rx_bytes: 22529663814
> dev.igb.0.queue0.lro_queued: 0
> dev.igb.0.queue0.lro_flushed: 0
> dev.igb.0.queue1.no_desc_avail: 0
> dev.igb.0.queue1.tx_packets: 404298046
> dev.igb.0.queue1.rx_packets: 307675818
> dev.igb.0.queue1.rx_bytes: 185919902229
> dev.igb.0.queue1.lro_queued: 0
> dev.igb.0.queue1.lro_flushed: 0
> dev.igb.0.queue2.no_desc_avail: 0
> dev.igb.0.queue2.tx_packets: 3441053015
> dev.igb.0.queue2.rx_packets: 5511826751
> dev.igb.0.queue2.rx_bytes: 3054219311510
> dev.igb.0.queue2.lro_queued: 0
> dev.igb.0.queue2.lro_flushed: 0
> dev.igb.0.queue3.no_desc_avail: 0
> dev.igb.0.queue3.tx_packets: 1047838830
> dev.igb.0.queue3.rx_packets: 1987495318
> dev.igb.0.queue3.rx_bytes: 2696179247028
> dev.igb.0.queue3.lro_queued: 0
> dev.igb.0.queue3.lro_flushed: 0
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.excess_coll: 0
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.single_coll: 0
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.multiple_coll: 0
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.late_coll: 0
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.collision_count: 0
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.symbol_errors: 0
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.sequence_errors: 0
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.defer_count: 283811
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.missed_packets: 9449
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.recv_no_buff: 340
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.recv_undersize: 0
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.recv_fragmented: 0
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.recv_oversize: 0
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.recv_jabber: 0
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.recv_errs: 0
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.crc_errs: 0
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.alignment_errs: 0
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.coll_ext_errs: 0
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.xon_recvd: 46255557
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.xon_txd: 261
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.xoff_recvd: 46255994
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.xoff_txd: 7027
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.total_pkts_recvd: 7975033582
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.good_pkts_recvd: 7880001465
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.bcast_pkts_recvd: 5783868
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.mcast_pkts_recvd: 563315
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.rx_frames_64: 28412906
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.rx_frames_65_127: 3310187919
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.rx_frames_128_255: 784920450
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.rx_frames_256_511: 17225962
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.rx_frames_512_1023: 73415350
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.rx_frames_1024_1522: 3665838878
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.good_octets_recvd: 5990356613544
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.good_octets_txd: 46326753008181
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.total_pkts_txd: 33016014138
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.good_pkts_txd: 33016006850
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.bcast_pkts_txd: 834
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.mcast_pkts_txd: 54331
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.tx_frames_64: 30741691
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.tx_frames_65_127: 2174824217
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.tx_frames_128_255: 139804927
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.tx_frames_256_511: 59190261
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.tx_frames_512_1023: 386886648
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.tx_frames_1024_1522: 30224559106
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.tso_txd: 2384636909
> dev.igb.0.mac_stats.tso_ctx_fail: 0
> dev.igb.0.interrupts.asserts: 4556119857
> dev.igb.0.interrupts.rx_pkt_timer: 7879778770
> dev.igb.0.interrupts.rx_abs_timer: 0
> dev.igb.0.interrupts.tx_pkt_timer: 0
> dev.igb.0.interrupts.tx_abs_timer: 0
> dev.igb.0.interrupts.tx_queue_empty: 33015268817
> dev.igb.0.interrupts.tx_queue_min_thresh: 7880001470
> dev.igb.0.interrupts.rx_desc_min_thresh: 0
> dev.igb.0.interrupts.rx_overrun: 0
> dev.igb.0.host.breaker_tx_pkt: 0
> dev.igb.0.host.host_tx_pkt_discard: 0
> dev.igb.0.host.rx_pkt: 222702
> dev.igb.0.host.breaker_rx_pkts: 0
> dev.igb.0.host.breaker_rx_pkt_drop: 0
> dev.igb.0.host.tx_good_pkt: 738033
> dev.igb.0.host.breaker_tx_pkt_drop: 0
> dev.igb.0.host.rx_good_bytes: 5990357073320
> dev.igb.0.host.tx_good_bytes: 46326753008181
> dev.igb.0.host.length_errors: 0
> dev.igb.0.host.serdes_violation_pkt: 0
> dev.igb.0.host.header_redir_missed: 0
> dev.igb.0.wake: 0
>
>
> hw.em.eee_setting: 1
> hw.em.rx_process_limit: 100
> hw.em.enable_msix: 1
> hw.em.sbp: 0
> hw.em.smart_pwr_down: 0
> hw.em.txd: 1024
> hw.em.rxd: 1024
> hw.em.rx_abs_int_delay: 66
> hw.em.tx_abs_int_delay: 66
> hw.em.rx_int_delay: 0
> hw.em.tx_int_delay: 66
>
> hw.igb.rx_process_limit: 100
> hw.igb.num_queues: 0
> hw.igb.header_split: 0
> hw.igb.buf_ring_size: 4096
> hw.igb.max_interrupt_rate: 8000
> hw.igb.enable_msix: 1
> hw.igb.enable_aim: 1
> hw.igb.txd: 1024
> hw.igb.rxd: 1024
>
> FreeBSD systemname.com 9.2-RELEASE-p10 FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE-p10 #0
> r270148M: Mon Aug 18 23:14:36 EDT 2014 root@peta108:/usr/obj/usr/src/=
sys/CUSTOM10
> amd64
>
> em0: flags=3D8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 15=
00
>
> options=3D4019b<RXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU,VLAN_HWTAGGING,VLAN_HWCSUM,TSO4,VL=
AN_HWTSO>
> ether 00:25:90:f2:2d:24
> inet6 fe80::225:90ff:fef2:2d24%em0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2
> nd6 options=3D29<PERFORMNUD,IFDISABLED,AUTO_LINKLOCAL>
> media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT <full-duplex>)
> status: active
> igb0: flags=3D8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 1=
500
>
> options=3D401bb<RXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU,VLAN_HWTAGGING,JUMBO_MTU,VLAN_HWCS=
UM,TSO4,VLAN_HWTSO>
> ether 00:25:90:f2:2d:24
> inet6 fe80::225:90ff:fef2:2d25%igb0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x4
> nd6 options=3D29<PERFORMNUD,IFDISABLED,AUTO_LINKLOCAL>
> media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT <full-duplex>)
> status: active
> lo0: flags=3D8049<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 16384
> options=3D600003<RXCSUM,TXCSUM,RXCSUM_IPV6,TXCSUM_IPV6>
> inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128
> inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x7
> inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000
> nd6 options=3D21<PERFORMNUD,AUTO_LINKLOCAL>
> lagg0: flags=3D8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu =
1500
>
> options=3D4019b<RXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU,VLAN_HWTAGGING,VLAN_HWCSUM,TSO4,VL=
AN_HWTSO>
> ether 00:25:90:f2:2d:24
> inet 192.168.0.108 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255
> inet6 fe80::225:90ff:fef2:2d24%lagg0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x8
> nd6 options=3D29<PERFORMNUD,IFDISABLED,AUTO_LINKLOCAL>
> media: Ethernet autoselect
> status: active
> laggproto lacp lagghash l2,l3,l4
> laggport: igb0 flags=3D1c<ACTIVE,COLLECTING,DISTRIBUTING>
> laggport: em0 flags=3D1c<ACTIVE,COLLECTING,DISTRIBUTING>
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> --
> FF
>
--=20
FF
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>Hello list,
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>I have a notebook machine that I've converted to act as a small
>low-power server because its hinges have worn out. It's an atom samsung
>notebook. The cpu identifies as:
>
>Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N450 @ 1.66GHz
>
>it is 64-bit capable:
>
>Extended feature flags set 1 (CPUID.80000001H:EDX): 20000000
>EM64T Intel Extended Memory 64 Technology
>
>so I installed the 10.1-R amd64 memstick. All goes well, it reboots, I
>ssh into it and things are fine for a few minnutes but then I get the
>following at the console:
>
>mmsk0: watchdog timeout
>
>and I lose the connection, can't ping anything including its gateway
>from the device. A reboot will restore connectivity for a short period
>but the same thing happens again. I tried with the latest 11 snapshot
>and also tried with 10.0-R amd64 and get the same result. Then I tried
>with the 10.1-R i386 (in other words, 32 bit) memstick and everything
>works fine.
>
>Why the difference?
>--
>John
The same problem here, with the same netbook. AFAIK, it's an issue with
Marvell Technologies NICs; there are some PRs
(https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=166727). For me, 9.x
realeases and 10.1-RC3 worked well with this NIC but 10.0-RELEASE and
10.1-RELEASE don't. Some people have fully or partially solved this
problem with other Marvell NICs by tweaking some kernel settings. I,
too, tried them but thtey didn't help.
-Alnis
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On 14/11/2014 21:33, jungle Boogie wrote:
> Hello Chris,
> On 10 November 2014 09:57, Chris Maness <chris@chrismaness.com> wrote:
>> I am looking to replace a huge noisy old server that I have used for years
>> for my home business. Looking for something inexpensive and relatively
>> small to replace it with. Any recommendations guys/gals? I was even
>> thinking of buying a used laptop to run FreeBSD on and set it and forget
>> it. Not sure what options are out there as I have not put together a
>> server in many years.
>>
>
> 1. This was referenced on the BSD subreddit with openBSD as a firewall:
> http://www.pcengines.ch/apu1d.htm
>
> I may consider purchasing this to try out pf and get more in depth
> knowledge of openBSD.
>
> I haven't looked closely enough at it to make 100% certain it will run
> freebsd but I don't see why not. I like that it has three gigabit
> ports with console access, too.
I've been running an Alix 2d13 (an earlier board) with pfSense as my
router/firewall for years now. Absolutely no problems, very little power
consumption, I only have to think about it when there's a software
upgrade. I can recommend their kit.
> 2. I have freebsd 10.1-RC4 running on a Beagle Bone black with thttpd
> compiled from ports. I used to get bummed that packages are old for
> the ARM platform, but having ports available is very nice and gets me
> through installing some apps. I know tarsnap won't install on the BBB,
> could be something I can look into, though.
>
>
> Let us know what you decide!
>
>> Thanks,
>> Chris Maness
>
> jb
>
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On 11/15/2014 06:58 PM, Arthur Chance wrote:
> On 14/11/2014 21:33, jungle Boogie wrote:
>> Hello Chris,
>> On 10 November 2014 09:57, Chris Maness <chris@chrismaness.com> wrote:
>>> I am looking to replace a huge noisy old server that I have used for
>>> years
>>> for my home business. Looking for something inexpensive and relatively
>>> small to replace it with. Any recommendations guys/gals? I was even
>>> thinking of buying a used laptop to run FreeBSD on and set it and
>>> forget
>>> it. Not sure what options are out there as I have not put together a
>>> server in many years.
>>>
>>
>> 1. This was referenced on the BSD subreddit with openBSD as a firewall:
>> http://www.pcengines.ch/apu1d.htm
>>
>> I may consider purchasing this to try out pf and get more in depth
>> knowledge of openBSD.
>>
>> I haven't looked closely enough at it to make 100% certain it will run
>> freebsd but I don't see why not. I like that it has three gigabit
>> ports with console access, too.
>
> I've been running an Alix 2d13 (an earlier board) with pfSense as my
> router/firewall for years now. Absolutely no problems, very little
> power consumption, I only have to think about it when there's a
> software upgrade. I can recommend their kit.
>
>> 2. I have freebsd 10.1-RC4 running on a Beagle Bone black with thttpd
>> compiled from ports. I used to get bummed that packages are old for
>> the ARM platform, but having ports available is very nice and gets me
>> through installing some apps. I know tarsnap won't install on the BBB,
>> could be something I can look into, though.
>>
>>
>> Let us know what you decide!
>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Chris Maness
>>
>> jb
>>
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I have a Freebsd 10.1 mITX server running on an Supermicro X9SBAA-F, I
use it as router/firewall and have 4 jails running transmission on it.
It's pushed ~10-11TB of traffic in the past 10 months without cracking a
sweat. Some of the newer mITX atom boards are really nice looking as well.
Kind Regards,
Robert Sevat
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On 11/15/2014 12:35 PM, Nicolas Geniteau wrote:
> Hi Robert,
>
> First, I don't have any FreeBSD accessible now, so my answer will be
> quite imprecise.
>
> 2014-11-15 6:14 GMT+01:00 Robert Sevat <robert@indylix.nl>:
>> I've started using Ansible to make my life easier while managing a lot
>> of jails.
> Great, Ansible is a very usefull tool ! I never tried on FreeBSD, is
> it well supported ?
>
>> So my question is, how much can be made read-only?
> I already done this kind of things in the past. If my memory is good,
> I set all /tmp and /var RW and works well with almost services. You
> can probably be more restrictive, but, is it really usefull ?
>
> If I had to do this kind of thing now, I would try to do same as a
> diskless boot.
> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-diskless.html
> man diskless
>
> The /etc/rc.initdiskless script (or something like this), after mount
> / in RO by NFS, create a memory filesystem populated by a template
> for, generaly, /var and /etc (I can't explain why the diskless
> documentation say to do /etc too).
>
> Using this principe, no change on disk is possible, only in RAM.
>
> It seems to me that the script is well documented, you probably can
> adapt it to fill your needs.
>
>
> Regards,
>
Ansible appears to be quite well supported, there are modules for pkg /
jails and I've read that quite a few people have been using it.
While a diskless boot is similar, it doesn't have the same security
advantages because you introduce new attack vectors. You need a NFS
server that can be attacked, I think nullfs mounts have less attack
surface. It does have the advantage of making persistence harder due to
every restart the jail being 'wiped clean'.
I agree with you that only having /tmp and /var writable will probably
suffice. I'll give that a go. Thanks for your insight.
Kind Regards,
Robert Sevat
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> use it as router/firewall and have 4 jails running transmission on it.
> It's pushed ~10-11TB of traffic in the past 10 months without cracking a
> sweat. Some of the newer mITX atom boards are really nice looking as well.
Not to rain on the praise, but that's about half a Mbps average. ;) I'm
more interested in peak rate, what you're running as a packet filter,
and, if you're dual-stack, do see any problems with IPv6?
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On 11/15/2014 07:12 PM, Darren Pilgrim wrote:
> On 11/15/2014 10:08 AM, Robert Sevat wrote:
>> I have a Freebsd 10.1 mITX server running on an Supermicro X9SBAA-F, I
>> use it as router/firewall and have 4 jails running transmission on it.
>> It's pushed ~10-11TB of traffic in the past 10 months without cracking a
>> sweat. Some of the newer mITX atom boards are really nice looking as
>> well.
>
> Not to rain on the praise, but that's about half a Mbps average. ;)
> I'm more interested in peak rate, what you're running as a packet
> filter, and, if you're dual-stack, do see any problems with IPv6?
>
Valid questions :) It's on a 100/100 Mbps connection and all traffic is
NAT'ed via PF. Peak traffic will be about ~150 Mbps combined. Part of
this is an Rsync connection over ssh hammering the upload towards the
main server on 1000/1000 Gbps. Downloading a file at 100 Mbps uses ~10%
cpu. So definitely not bad for such a low power device.
I am not yet full dual stack, I only just got a /64 on my main server
(last week), this is a smaller server at a different ISP, after I got it
on my main server I realized I have had dual stack for months on the
smaller one as well :p I've tested it a bit so far and got it working,
only still need to assign ipv6 address to jails / update dns.
Kind Regards,
Robert Sevat
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|and everything seems fine. Except, I have no idea how to post a new
|thread. There's no button, no prompt at all that lets me do this.
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|someone please direct me how to get this done? I hope this is the
right
|place to ask this. Thanks.
=============
You have to be in a part of the forum that allows posting by mere
mortals.
For example, go to the General forum in the Base System section.
You should see a Post New Thread button on the right near the top.
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> thread. There's no button, no prompt at all that lets me do this. Can
> someone please direct me how to get this done? I hope this is the right
> place to ask this. Thanks.
>
Of course, you must be logged in to post; once you do, you must first
choose the category in which you want to post (say, General), then there
is a red button with "Post New Thread" on the top right, just below the
search box. You may want to review the "Forum Rules and Guidelines"
section first, as it is more, uuhhh, detailed than most.
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> On 11/15/2014 at 10:28 AM Jeffrey Needle wrote:
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> |Hi. I've signed up for the freebsd forums, confirmed my e-mail
> address,
> |and everything seems fine. Except, I have no idea how to post a new
> |thread. There's no button, no prompt at all that lets me do this.
> Can
> |someone please direct me how to get this done? I hope this is the
> right
> |place to ask this. Thanks.
> =============
>
> You have to be in a part of the forum that allows posting by mere
> mortals.
>
> For example, go to the General forum in the Base System section.
>
> You should see a Post New Thread button on the right near the top.
There is a delay before new users are authorized to post.
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On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I've tried installing Beta3 and RC1
>>
>> FreeBSD-10.1-RC1-amd64-uefi-memstick.img
>>
>> on a machine, but in both cases it hangs. The
>> last thing printed is:
>>
>> acpi0: <HPQOEM SLIC-CPC> on motherboard
>>
>>
>> It's an HP desktop with quad core I5 cpu.
>> What do you suggest? Thanks.
>>
>>
> I've tried it now with FreeBSD-10.1-RC2-amd64-uefi-memstick.img
>
> and it hangs. The last line is the same as above.
> The second to the last line is:
>
> module_register_init: MOD_LOAD (vesa, 0xffffffff80d92410, 0) error 19
>
> Is there any advice other than waiting for RC3?
>
>
>
I tried it now with FreeBSD-10.1-RELEASE-amd64-uefi-memstick.img
and it hangs like the previous versions I've tried.
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