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https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=193389

Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> changed:

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--- Comment #1 from Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> ---
Have you run a full fsck on the filesystem?



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On 06/09/2014 21:56, Zoran Kolic wrote:
>> There was an issue found which is resolved in 1.3.7
>> pkg check -Ba is also needed to fix the db
>>
>>      For binary package users:
>>       # pkg install ports-mgmt/pkg
>>       # pkg update -f
>>       # pkg check -Ba
>>       # pkg upgrade
> 
> Ah! I misunderstood check part! Thanks!
> Do I need to use last command (pkg upgrade) if I
> want to install anything, without upgrading whole
> system?
> Best regards
> 
>                         Zoran

No you don't have to but probably should. The first three steps setup
pkg 1.3.7, the fourth upgrades installed ports and could be changed to
individual installs if you wish.

Most would argue strongly that you **should** update all pkg's at this
point as the new packages made using pkg 1.3.7 will have updated pkg
info related to the fix in 1.3.7 and the pkg check step.

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On 7-9-2014 7:04, Shane Ambler wrote:
> On 06/09/2014 21:56, Zoran Kolic wrote:
>>> There was an issue found which is resolved in 1.3.7
>>> pkg check -Ba is also needed to fix the db
>>>
>>>      For binary package users:
>>>       # pkg install ports-mgmt/pkg
>>>       # pkg update -f
>>>       # pkg check -Ba
>>>       # pkg upgrade
>>
>> Ah! I misunderstood check part! Thanks!
>> Do I need to use last command (pkg upgrade) if I
>> want to install anything, without upgrading whole
>> system?
>> Best regards
>>
>>                         Zoran
> 
> No you don't have to but probably should. The first three steps setup
> pkg 1.3.7, the fourth upgrades installed ports and could be changed to
> individual installs if you wish.
> 
> Most would argue strongly that you **should** update all pkg's at this
> point as the new packages made using pkg 1.3.7 will have updated pkg
> info related to the fix in 1.3.7 and the pkg check step.
> 

Why not put the above explanation in the post-install as extra
explanation for those that do not read the UPGRADING notices??

Even better would perhaps be that pkg reports this itself when run
without an updated and checked database.

--WjW


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On 7/09/2014 12:49 AM, Ian Smith wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Sep 2014 23:30:47 +1000, Kubilay Kocak wrote:
>  > On 6/09/2014 11:23 PM, Ian Smith wrote:
>  > > On Sat, 6 Sep 2014 14:55:03 +0200, Christoph Moench-Tegeder wrote:
>  > >  > ## Ian Smith (smithi@nimnet.asn.au):
>  > >  > 
>  > >  > > Are these just getting auto-assigned to stable@?  Can anyone play? :)
>  > >  > 
>  > >  > The submitter explicitly adds stable@ to the bug's Cc list.
>  > > 
>  > > Yes, and this submitter hasn't posted in the dozen lists I take, since 
>  > > May anyway.  This may save someone having to assign a bug, but perhaps 
>  > > one shouldn't earn the 'mayCC' bit until some N>0 have been assigned?
>  > > 
>  > >  > But anyways, looking at the amount of panics he reports, most of which
>  > >  > happen on rather trivial actions (as far as I can tell from my sampling
>  > >  > of reports), this looks like bad hardware.
>  > >  > If anyone with a hat could tell the sasamotikomi?
>  > > 
>  > > I'm more concerned about process (vs PRs) and bulk spam potential than 
>  > > the reporting methods of any one submitter; bugzilla is overall cool.
>  > > 
>  > > cheers, Ian
>  > 
>  > Ian,
>  > 
>  > Please create an issue report assigned to bugmeister, with 'keyword:
>  > feature' describing the issue, and thoughts on different ways you can
>  > think of a mechanism potentially working.
>  > 
>  > --
>  > Kubilay
>  > for Bugmeister
> 
> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=193396
> 
> No further ideas to hand beyond what I suggested above, sorry.
> 
> cheers, Ian
> 

That's perfect, thank you Ian

Koobs
for Bugmeister

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Hello.

 uname -a
FreeBSD ymer.thorshammare.org 10.0-RELEASE-p7 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p7 #0:
Tue Jul  8 06:34:23 UTC 2014
root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
i386


I'm unable to make buildworld on todays stable revision 271241
due to the following error message :

 -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti -c
/usr/src/lib/clang/libclangsema/../../../contrib/llvm/tools/clang/lib/Sema/SemaLookup.cpp
-o SemaLookup.o
/usr/src/lib/clang/libclangsema/../../../contrib/llvm/tools/clang/lib/Sema/SemaLookup.cpp:4410:55:
error: source file is not valid UTF-8
          TmpRes.setLookupName(QRI->getCorrectionAsIde<EE>tifierInfo());
                                                      ^
/usr/src/lib/clang/libclangsema/../../../contrib/llvm/tools/clang/lib/Sema/SemaLookup.cpp:4410:37:
error: no member named 'getCorrectionAsIde' in 'clang::TypoCorrection'; did
you mean 'getCorrectionRange'?
          TmpRes.setLookupName(QRI->getCorrectionAsIde<EE>tifierInfo());
                                    ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                                    getCorrectionRange
/usr/src/lib/clang/libclangsema/../../../contrib/llvm/tools/clang/include/clang/Sema/TypoCorrection.h:207:15:
note: 'getCorrectionRange' declared here
  SourceRange getCorrectionRange() const {
              ^
/usr/src/lib/clang/libclangsema/../../../contrib/llvm/tools/clang/lib/Sema/SemaLookup.cpp:4410:56:
error: expected ')'
          TmpRes.setLookupName(QRI->getCorrectionAsIde<EE>tifierInfo());
                                                          ^
/usr/src/lib/clang/libclangsema/../../../contrib/llvm/tools/clang/lib/Sema/SemaLookup.cpp:4410:31:
note: to match this '('
          TmpRes.setLookupName(QRI->getCorrectionAsIde<EE>tifierInfo());
                              ^
3 errors generated.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/lib/clang/libclangsema
*** Error code 1

Stop.
make[3]: stopped in /usr/src/lib/clang
*** Error code 1

Stop.
make[2]: stopped in /usr/src
*** Error code 1

Stop.
make[1]: stopped in /usr/src
*** Error code 1

Stop.
make: stopped in /usr/src

any hints on how to proceed ?

Best regards
Hasse

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On 08 Sep 2014, at 01:57, Geir Svalland <g.svalland@gmail.com> wrote:
> uname -a
> FreeBSD ymer.thorshammare.org 10.0-RELEASE-p7 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p7 =
#0:
> Tue Jul  8 06:34:23 UTC 2014
> root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
> i386
>=20
>=20
> I'm unable to make buildworld on todays stable revision 271241
> due to the following error message :
>=20
> -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti -c
> =
/usr/src/lib/clang/libclangsema/../../../contrib/llvm/tools/clang/lib/Sema=
/SemaLookup.cpp
> -o SemaLookup.o
> =
/usr/src/lib/clang/libclangsema/../../../contrib/llvm/tools/clang/lib/Sema=
/SemaLookup.cpp:4410:55:
> error: source file is not valid UTF-8
>          =
TmpRes.setLookupName(QRI->getCorrectionAsIde<EE>tifierInfo());
>                                                      ^

That line should read:

          TmpRes.setLookupName(QRI->getCorrectionAsIdentifierInfo());

So either your source checkout is corrupt, or your hardware flips bits =
randomly.

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Thank you for your answer.
So I'll wipe /usr/src and do a new "checkout / buildworld" as a first step.
/hasse

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> On 08 Sep 2014, at 01:57, Geir Svalland <g.svalland@gmail.com> wrote:
> > uname -a
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> #0:
> > Tue Jul  8 06:34:23 UTC 2014
> > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
> > i386
> >
> >
> > I'm unable to make buildworld on todays stable revision 271241
> > due to the following error message :
> >
> > -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti -c
> >
> /usr/src/lib/clang/libclangsema/../../../contrib/llvm/tools/clang/lib/Sema/SemaLookup.cpp
> > -o SemaLookup.o
> >
> /usr/src/lib/clang/libclangsema/../../../contrib/llvm/tools/clang/lib/Sema/SemaLookup.cpp:4410:55:
> > error: source file is not valid UTF-8
> >          TmpRes.setLookupName(QRI->getCorrectionAsIde<EE>tifierInfo());
> >                                                      ^
>
> That line should read:
>
>           TmpRes.setLookupName(QRI->getCorrectionAsIdentifierInfo());
>
> So either your source checkout is corrupt, or your hardware flips bits
> randomly.
>
> -Dimitry
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>


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Can you do 'gdb /boot/kernel.old9.1/kernel' and then 'l *0xc0aae65'?  Also, can
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Your filesystem is probably corrupted from an earlier crash.  Run fsck in
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--- Comment #3 from John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> ---
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--- Comment #2 from John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> ---
For these and the other various PRs you opened recently, you need to remove the
'grep 0x' from the 'nm -n' output.  That removes most of the useful symbols and
isn't helpful.  In addition, far more useful would be to get stack traces,
especially if you have core.txt.N files, the kgdb stack trace in that file
would be the first thing needed to look at any of these.

As I mentioned on another bug, a dmesg from this machine wouldn't hurt either,
but I doubt that either ed(4) or xl(4) is relevant.

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On 6 September 2014 04:02, Daniel Bilik <dan@mail.neosystem.cz> wrote:
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> Thank you Ed. :)

Thank you for checking - very glad to hear it's working for you now.

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On Sep 8, 2014, at 21:00, Garrett Cooper <ngie@FreeBSD.org> wrote:

> Author: ngie
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> New Revision: 271298
> URL: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/271298
>=20
> Log:
>  MFC r267176, r267181, r268445 (ATF-related commits):
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>  Phabric: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D706
>  Approved by: rpaulo (mentor)
>  Approved by: re (gjb)
>  Reviewed by: jmmv
>  Sponsored by: EMC / Isilon Storage Division

Hello all!
	If you are running stable/10 with MK_TESTS =3D=3D yes after this =
point, please be sure to run a complete buildworld without -DNO_CLEAN =
and run make delete-old, or you might run into false positives with test =
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	at org.tmatesoft.svn.core.internal.wc17.db.SVNWCDb.parseDir(SVNWCDb.java:1462)
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	at org.tmatesoft.svn.core.wc2.SvnOperation.run(SvnOperation.java:294)
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	at hudson.scm.subversion.UpdateUpdater$TaskImpl.parseSvnInfo(UpdateUpdater.java:125)
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	at hudson.remoting.Request$2.run(Request.java:328)
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	at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:1146)
	at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:615)
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Hello list,



I'm hitting this peculiar problem on 8.4-STABLE where
/usr/ports/security/libgcrypt/ won't build and complains about xgetbv , per
:

==
/bin/sh ../libtool  --tag=CC    --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I.
-I..   -D_THREAD_SAFE  -I/usr/local/include -pipe -g -std=gnu89
-fvisibility=hidden -Wall -MT hwf-x86.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/hwf-x86.Tpo -c
-o hwf-x86.lo hwf-x86.c
libtool: compile:  gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -D_THREAD_SAFE
-I/usr/local/include -pipe -g -std=gnu89 -fvisibility=hidden -Wall -MT
hwf-x86.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/hwf-x86.Tpo -c hwf-x86.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o
.libs/hwf-x86.o
hwf-x86.c:150: warning: 'get_xgetbv' defined but not used
{standard input}: Assembler messages:
{standard input}:106: Error: no such instruction: `xgetbv'
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/security/libgcrypt/work/libgcrypt-1.6.1/src.
*** Error code 1
==


Googling around suggests the problem might stem from /usr/bin/as

as reports version :
==
GNU assembler 2.15 [FreeBSD] 2004-05-23
==


10-STABLE compiles security/libgcrypt just fine, with /usr/bin/as version
2.17.50

The ports tree is up to date as of today.


Is anyone able to reproduce the problem on 8.4 ?

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For what it's worth, managed to solve the problem by :

- changing CPU type from KVM (it's a virtual machine) to Host (Xeon)
- rebuilding kernel-toolchain
- rebuilding kernel
- rebuilding world
- reinstalling kernel + world
- rebuilding port



On 9 September 2014 12:05, Damien Fleuriot <ml@my.gd> wrote:

> Hello list,
>
>
>
> I'm hitting this peculiar problem on 8.4-STABLE where
> /usr/ports/security/libgcrypt/ won't build and complains about xgetbv , per
> :
>
> ==
> /bin/sh ../libtool  --tag=CC    --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I.
> -I..   -D_THREAD_SAFE  -I/usr/local/include -pipe -g -std=gnu89
> -fvisibility=hidden -Wall -MT hwf-x86.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/hwf-x86.Tpo -c
> -o hwf-x86.lo hwf-x86.c
> libtool: compile:  gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -D_THREAD_SAFE
> -I/usr/local/include -pipe -g -std=gnu89 -fvisibility=hidden -Wall -MT
> hwf-x86.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/hwf-x86.Tpo -c hwf-x86.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o
> .libs/hwf-x86.o
> hwf-x86.c:150: warning: 'get_xgetbv' defined but not used
> {standard input}: Assembler messages:
> {standard input}:106: Error: no such instruction: `xgetbv'
> *** Error code 1
> Stop in /usr/ports/security/libgcrypt/work/libgcrypt-1.6.1/src.
> *** Error code 1
> ==
>
>
> Googling around suggests the problem might stem from /usr/bin/as
>
> as reports version :
> ==
> GNU assembler 2.15 [FreeBSD] 2004-05-23
> ==
>
>
> 10-STABLE compiles security/libgcrypt just fine, with /usr/bin/as version
> 2.17.50
>
> The ports tree is up to date as of today.
>
>
> Is anyone able to reproduce the problem on 8.4 ?
>
>

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I needed to install 10.1-PRERELEASE on some new hardware as we'd fluffed
the timing slightly and bought kit with an LSI SAS 3004 HBA, which 10.0
doesn't support.

Anyhow, I was gratified to see the option to 'Mirror Swap' in the
installer, as that's something we'd always want to do.  However, on this
server, we installed onto a RAIDZ1 of 6 drives, resulting in:

 root@log-1:~ # swapinfo
Device          1K-blocks     Used    Avail Capacity
/dev/mirror/swap   2097148        0  2097148     0%
root@log-1:~ # gmirror status
       Name    Status  Components
mirror/swap  COMPLETE  da0p2 (ACTIVE)
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Huh?  A 6-way mirror seems pretty daft here.  I'd have expected 3 swap
devices each comprised of a 2-way mirror.

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	Matthew


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> On 9.9.2014, at 17.23, Kimmo Paasiala <kpaasial@icloud.com> wrote:
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>=20
>> On 19.8.2014, at 10.46, Konstantin Belousov <kostikbel@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>>=20
>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 10:32:08AM +0300, Kimmo Paasiala wrote:
>>>=20
>>> On 19.8.2014, at 10.10, Konstantin Belousov <kostikbel@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 07:40:46AM +0300, Kimmo Paasiala wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> On 18.8.2014, at 8.54, Kimmo Paasiala <kpaasial@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On 18.8.2014, at 2.32, Kimmo Paasiala <kpaasial@icloud.com> =
wrote:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> System is:
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> FreeBSD freebsd10.rdnzl.info 10.0-STABLE FreeBSD 10.0-STABLE #2 =
r270020: Fri Aug 15 20:38:59 EEST 2014     =
kimmo@buildstable10amd64.rdnzl.info:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> This version still works fine. The one that didn?t work was =
r270097. The kernel boots but gets stuck at the line:
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Trying to mount root from zfs:pool/ROOT/default []
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> I tried pressing enter at this point but got a panic, I don?t =
have a screenshot of the panic at the moment.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Could this problem be related the this commit? :
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> =
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=3Drevision&sortby=3Drev&sortdir=3Ddown=
&revision=3D270095
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> -Kimmo
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Trying to bisect this I backed to r270050 and that version still =
works. More to come.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> -Kimmo
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Version r270094 still works but commit r270095 definitely does =
break booting from ZFS on root on my system. The error message I see on =
the console is  ?Mounting from <the ZFS filesystem> failed with error 5? =
and I?m given the mountroot prompt. I don?t see the ZFS pool among the =
listed GEOM devices on the mountroot prompt.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Adding the committer of r270095 (kib@) to this discussion.
>>>>=20
>>>> I have no idea about ZFS, but the fact that things, which are =
lower-level
>>>> than ZFS filesystem itself are missing, suggests that the issue is =
unrelated.
>>>> At the very least, start with providing the verbose boot dmesg for =
successful
>>>> and failed boots.
>>>=20
>>> This looks like to be unrelated to ZFS as you?re saying. I just =
remembered that I?m loading fuse.ko in my /boot/loader.conf. I commented =
that one out and what do you know? The system boots fine with the =
r270095 kernel.
>>>=20
>>> Very very strange?=20
>> This probably indicates KBI mismatch.
>>=20
>> Is your fuse.ko installed from the kernel build ?
>> Still, I think the verbose dmesg is the start to look.
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Thanks for the input anyway,
>>>=20
>>> -Kimmo
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>=20
> Hi it=E2=80=99s me again. Something that was committed in stable/10 =
after r271213 up to and including r271288 broke ZFS on Root booting in =
exactly the same way again. I know the problem is no longer related to =
extra kernel modules loaded in /boot/loader.conf because I=E2=80=99m =
loading only the required zfs.ko and opensolaris.ko modules. Also, the =
new vt(4) console that I=E2=80=99m using is not the culprit because the =
same thing happens with kern.vty set to =E2=80=9Csc=E2=80=9D.
>=20
> -Kimmo

Verbose dmesg logs from both versions at pastebin if anyone wants to =
take a look:

r271213 (the one that still works): http://pastebin.com/A6rAkDpB

r271288 (the one where booting from ZFS is now broken): =
http://pastebin.com/sq6FnVr0

Both are with the sc console, the new vt console doesn=E2=80=99t quite =
work at mountroot console for me.

Running diff(1) on those I didn=E2=80=99t spot any obvious differences =
except in some memory addresses that is to be expected.

-Kimmo


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> On 19.8.2014, at 10.46, Konstantin Belousov <kostikbel@gmail.com> =
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> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 10:32:08AM +0300, Kimmo Paasiala wrote:
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>> On 19.8.2014, at 10.10, Konstantin Belousov <kostikbel@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>>=20
>>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 07:40:46AM +0300, Kimmo Paasiala wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>> On 18.8.2014, at 8.54, Kimmo Paasiala <kpaasial@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> On 18.8.2014, at 2.32, Kimmo Paasiala <kpaasial@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> System is:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> FreeBSD freebsd10.rdnzl.info 10.0-STABLE FreeBSD 10.0-STABLE #2 =
r270020: Fri Aug 15 20:38:59 EEST 2014     =
kimmo@buildstable10amd64.rdnzl.info:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> This version still works fine. The one that didn?t work was =
r270097. The kernel boots but gets stuck at the line:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Trying to mount root from zfs:pool/ROOT/default []
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> I tried pressing enter at this point but got a panic, I don?t =
have a screenshot of the panic at the moment.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Could this problem be related the this commit? :
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> =
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=3Drevision&sortby=3Drev&sortdir=3Ddown=
&revision=3D270095
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> -Kimmo
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Trying to bisect this I backed to r270050 and that version still =
works. More to come.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> -Kimmo
>>>>=20
>>>> Version r270094 still works but commit r270095 definitely does =
break booting from ZFS on root on my system. The error message I see on =
the console is  ?Mounting from <the ZFS filesystem> failed with error 5? =
and I?m given the mountroot prompt. I don?t see the ZFS pool among the =
listed GEOM devices on the mountroot prompt.
>>>>=20
>>>> Adding the committer of r270095 (kib@) to this discussion.
>>>=20
>>> I have no idea about ZFS, but the fact that things, which are =
lower-level
>>> than ZFS filesystem itself are missing, suggests that the issue is =
unrelated.
>>> At the very least, start with providing the verbose boot dmesg for =
successful
>>> and failed boots.
>>=20
>> This looks like to be unrelated to ZFS as you?re saying. I just =
remembered that I?m loading fuse.ko in my /boot/loader.conf. I commented =
that one out and what do you know? The system boots fine with the =
r270095 kernel.
>>=20
>> Very very strange?=20
> This probably indicates KBI mismatch.
>=20
> Is your fuse.ko installed from the kernel build ?
> Still, I think the verbose dmesg is the start to look.
>=20
>>=20
>> Thanks for the input anyway,
>>=20
>> -Kimmo
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>=20
>=20

Hi it=E2=80=99s me again. Something that was committed in stable/10 =
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loading only the required zfs.ko and opensolaris.ko modules. Also, the =
new vt(4) console that I=E2=80=99m using is not the culprit because the =
same thing happens with kern.vty set to =E2=80=9Csc=E2=80=9D.

-Kimmo=20=

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kimmo Paasiala" <kpaasial@icloud.com>
> Hi it’s me again. Something that was committed in stable/10 after r271213 up to
> and including r271288 broke ZFS on Root booting in exactly the same way again.
> I know the problem is no longer related to extra kernel modules loaded in
> /boot/loader.conf because I’m loading only the required zfs.ko and opensolaris.ko
> modules. Also, the new vt(4) console that I’m using is not the culprit because the
> same thing happens with kern.vty set to “sc”.

I've just updated my stable/10 box to r271316 and no problems booting from a ZFS root.

So first things first what error are you seeing?

Next what is you're:
* Hardware
* Pool layout

    Regards
    Steve 


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> On 9.9.2014, at 18.53, Steven Hartland <killing@multiplay.co.uk> =
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimmo Paasiala" =
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>> Hi it=E2=80=99s me again. Something that was committed in stable/10 =
after r271213 up to
>> and including r271288 broke ZFS on Root booting in exactly the same =
way again.
>> I know the problem is no longer related to extra kernel modules =
loaded in
>> /boot/loader.conf because I=E2=80=99m loading only the required =
zfs.ko and opensolaris.ko
>> modules. Also, the new vt(4) console that I=E2=80=99m using is not =
the culprit because the
>> same thing happens with kern.vty set to =E2=80=9Csc=E2=80=9D.
>=20
> I've just updated my stable/10 box to r271316 and no problems booting =
from a ZFS root.
>=20
> So first things first what error are you seeing?
>=20
> Next what is you're:
> * Hardware
> * Pool layout
>=20
>   Regards
>   Steve=20

The error is the same as before:

	=E2=80=A2 Mounting from zfs:rdnzltank/ROOT/default failed with =
error 5.

Followed by the mountroot prompt and I get only these devices to choose =
from, no sign of the ZFS pool:

	=E2=80=A2 mountroot>
	=E2=80=A2 List of GEOM managed disk devices:
	=E2=80=A2   gpt/fb10disk1 gpt/fb10swap1 =
diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624p3 diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624p2 =
diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624p1 ada0p3 ada0p2 ada0p1 =
diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624 ada0

Hardware is a Gigabyte GA-D510UD Mini-ITX motherboard:

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3D3343#ov

4GBs of RAM. One 750GB Samsung HD753LJ 3.5=E2=80=9D SATA HD on the Intel =
SATA controller.

Pool layout:

 pool: rdnzltank
 state: ONLINE
  scan: scrub repaired 0 in 1h7m with 0 errors on Wed Aug 20 09:27:48 =
2014
config:

        NAME             STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
        rdnzltank        ONLINE       0     0     0
          gpt/fb10disk1  ONLINE       0     0     0

errors: No known data errors

Output of =E2=80=98gpart show=E2=80=99:

freebsd10 ~ % gpart show   =20
=3D>        34  1465146988  ada0  GPT  (699G)
          34        2014        - free -  (1.0M)
        2048        1024     1  freebsd-boot  (512K)
        3072        1024        - free -  (512K)
        4096    16777216     2  freebsd-swap  (8.0G)
    16781312  1448365710     3  freebsd-zfs  (691G)


HTH,

-Kimmo=

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Hello,

I have about a dozen FreeBSD 8.4 VMs running on a pair of ESXi
(5.0.0, build 469512) boxes.  Generally, I have not had any problems
with this configuration.  However one particular VM, which is
running the same kernel and same VMware settings as the other VMs
has paniced twice in the past few months.

I do not have a core dump, but both times a message regading the
CD-ROM device was logged shortly before the panic:

Sep 9 08:50:56 shellvm kernel: ata1: WARNING - READ_TOC read data
overrun 18>12

Prior to the panic, the only thing Ive observed via my normal nagios
checks was that snmp and other network services became unavailable
and ping times to the host became very erratic, jumping from a few
ms to 800ms+.  After the panic, the VM is locked up hard and
consuming copious amounts of CPU.

Looking around I see two things of note:

https://communities.vmware.com/message/1876880 (suggests it=92s an
issue with FreeBSDs CD-ROM handling)

=
http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Re-kern-150186-parallels-panic-Parall=
els-Desktop-CDROM-disconnected-leads-to-panic-eventually-td4114484.html
(also suggests CD issues)

This thread also ends with Ivan Voras stating "I'd say it's 'well
known' - at least the panic also happens on VMWare, and has been
happening for many years.

Ill try the suggested fix of completely removing the CD-ROM device
(its currently in the device list, but is not connected), but Im
curious if theres any reference Ive missed regarding known VMware
issues and/or best practices.  Ill be sure to grab a console
screenshot if it happens again, I have little hope of getting a dump
though, as it seems the whole IO system is locked up.

Thanks,

Charles

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> On Sep 9, 2014, at 2:56 PM, Charles Sprickman <spork@bway.net> wrote:
>=20
> Hello,
>=20
> I have about a dozen FreeBSD 8.4 VMs running on a pair of ESXi
> (5.0.0, build 469512) boxes.  Generally, I have not had any problems
> with this configuration.  However one particular VM, which is
> running the same kernel and same VMware settings as the other VMs
> has paniced twice in the past few months.
>=20
> I do not have a core dump, but both times a message regading the
> CD-ROM device was logged shortly before the panic:
>=20
> Sep 9 08:50:56 shellvm kernel: ata1: WARNING - READ_TOC read data
> overrun 18>12
>=20
> Prior to the panic, the only thing Ive observed via my normal nagios
> checks was that snmp and other network services became unavailable
> and ping times to the host became very erratic, jumping from a few
> ms to 800ms+.  After the panic, the VM is locked up hard and
> consuming copious amounts of CPU.
>=20
> Looking around I see two things of note:
>=20
> https://communities.vmware.com/message/1876880 (suggests it=E2=80=99s an
> issue with FreeBSDs CD-ROM handling)
>=20
> http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Re-kern-150186-parallels-panic-Parall=
els-Desktop-CDROM-disconnected-leads-to-panic-eventually-td4114484.html
> (also suggests CD issues)
>=20

I dropped the CDROM as it's also caused a weird issues were sysinstall would=
 not find any daN devices if both were present . This was only an issue when=
 using sysinstall to jumpstart a box.=20


> This thread also ends with Ivan Voras stating "I'd say it's 'well
> known' - at least the panic also happens on VMWare, and has been
> happening for many years.
>=20
> Ill try the suggested fix of completely removing the CD-ROM device
> (its currently in the device list, but is not connected), but Im
> curious if theres any reference Ive missed regarding known VMware
> issues and/or best practices.  Ill be sure to grab a console
> screenshot if it happens again, I have little hope of getting a dump
> though, as it seems the whole IO system is locked up.
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> Charles
>=20

Also try to set the event timer to acpi-fast or acpi-safe . It's a sysctl na=
med something like kern.timecounter.choice . There is a buggy emulated hpet i=
n some versions on esxi that kill the clock on FreeBSD and Linux . There is a=
 kb on how to fix the issue dr Linux boxes circa 2011 .=20
=20
--
Mark saad | mark.saad@longcount.org=20

> -- Charles Sprickman NetEng/SysAdmin Bway.net - New York's Best
> Internet www.bway.net spork@bway.net - 212.982.9800
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On 09 Sep 2014, at 18:56 , Charles Sprickman <spork@bway.net> wrote:

Hi,

> I have about a dozen FreeBSD 8.4 VMs running on a pair of ESXi
> (5.0.0, build 469512) boxes.  Generally, I have not had any problems
> with this configuration.  However one particular VM, which is
> running the same kernel and same VMware settings as the other VMs
> has paniced twice in the past few months.
>=20
> I do not have a core dump, but both times a message regading the
> CD-ROM device was logged shortly before the panic:
>=20
> Sep 9 08:50:56 shellvm kernel: ata1: WARNING - READ_TOC read data
> overrun 18>12

I remember those from 2010.  Not been running freebsd 8 in a long time.

The best workaround I found back then was indeed to remove CDROM (and =
for that matter also did the floppy;-) as much as possible from VMware.  =
I cannot remember if that was good enough to get entirely rid of it =
anymore ( I think some devices maybe floppy still showed up ) but I have =
never seen this after going to 9 and 10 certainly.

=97=20
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As we all know, it is important to ensure that modern disks are set up properly with the correct block size. Everything is good if all the disks and the pool are "ashift=9" (512 byte blocks). But as soon as one new drive requires 4k blocks, performance drops through the floor of the enture pool.


In order to upgrade there appear to be two separate things that must be done for a ZFS pool.

1. Create partitions on 4K boundaries. This is simple with the "-a 4k" option in gpart, and it isn't hard to remove disks one at a time from a pool, reformat them on the right boundaries and put them back. Hopefully you've left a few spare bytes on the disk to ensure that your partition doesn't get smaller when you reinsert it to the pool.

2. Create a brand new pool which has ashift=12 and zfs send|receive all the data over.


I guess I don't understand enough about zpool to know why the pool itself has a block size, since I understood ZFS to have variable stripe widths.

The problem with step 2 is that you need to have enough hard disks spare to create a whole new pool and throw away the old disks. Plus a disk controller with lots of spare ports. Plus the ability to take the system offline for hours or days while the migration happens.

One way to reduce this slightly is to create a new pool with reduced redundancy. For example, create a RAIDZ2 with two fake disks, then offline those disks.


So, given how much this problem sucks (it is extremely easy to add a 4K disk by mistake as a replacement for a failed disk), and how painful the workaround is... will ZFS ever gain the ability to change block size for the pool? Or is this so deep in the internals of ZFS it is as likely as being able to dynamically add disks to an existing zvol in the "never going to happen" basket?

And secondly, is it also bad to have ashift 9 disks inside a ashift 12 pool? That is, do we need to replace all our disks in one go and forever keep big sticky labels on each disk so we never mix them?



Thanks for any advice
Ari Maniatis





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On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 04:46:28 PM Aristedes Maniatis wrote:
> As we all know, it is important to ensure that modern disks are set u=
p
> properly with the correct block size. Everything is good if all the d=
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> and the pool are "ashift=3D9" (512 byte blocks). But as soon as one n=
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> requires 4k blocks, performance drops through the floor of the enture=
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[..]
> And secondly, is it also bad to have ashift 9 disks inside a ashift 1=
2 pool?
> That is, do we need to replace all our disks in one go and forever ke=
ep big
> sticky labels on each disk so we never mix them?

For what its worth, in the freebsd.org cluster we automatically align=20=

everything to a minimum of 4k, no matter what the actual drive is.

We set:  sysctl vfs.zfs.min_auto_ashift=3D12
(this saves a lot of messing around with gnop etc)

and ensure all the gpt slices are 4k or better aligned.

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Am 10.09.2014 um 08:46 schrieb Aristedes Maniatis:
> As we all know, it is important to ensure that modern disks are set
> up properly with the correct block size. Everything is good if all
> the disks and the pool are "ashift=9" (512 byte blocks). But as soon
> as one new drive requires 4k blocks, performance drops through the
> floor of the enture pool.
>
>
> In order to upgrade there appear to be two separate things that must
> be done for a ZFS pool.
>
> 1. Create partitions on 4K boundaries. This is simple with the
> "-a 4k" option in gpart, and it isn't hard to remove disks one at a
> time from a pool, reformat them on the right boundaries and put them
> back. Hopefully you've left a few spare bytes on the disk to ensure
> that your partition doesn't get smaller when you reinsert it to the
> pool.
>
> 2. Create a brand new pool which has ashift=12 and zfs send|receive
> all the data over.
>
>
> I guess I don't understand enough about zpool to know why the pool
> itself has a block size, since I understood ZFS to have variable
> stripe widths.

I'm not a ZFS internals expert, just a long time user, but I'll try to
answer your questions.

ZFS is based on a copy-on-write paradigm, which ensures, that no data
is ever overwritten in place. All writes go to new blank blocks, and
only after the last reference to an "old" block is lost (when no TXG
or snapshot has references to it), is the old block freed and put back
on the free block map.

ZFS uses variable block sizes by breaking down large blocks to smaller
fragments as suitable for the data to be stored. The largest block to
be used is configurable (128 KByte by default) and the smallest fragment
is the sector size (i.e. 512 or 4096 bytes), as configured by "ashift".

The problem with 4K sector disks that report 512 byte sectors is, that
ZFS still assumes, that no data is overwritten in place, while the disk
drive does it behind the curtains. ZFS thinks it can atomically write
512 bytes, but the drive reads 4K, places the 512 bytes of data within
that 4K physical sector in the drive's cache, and then writes back the
4K of data in one go.

The cost is not only the latency of this read-modify-write sequence,
but also that an elementary ZFS assumption is violated: Data that is
in other (logical) 512 byte sectors of the physical 4 KByte sector
can be lost, if that write operation fails, resulting in loss of data
in those files that happen to share the physical sector with the one
that received the write operation.

This may never hit you, but ZFS is built on the assumption, that it
cannot happen at all, which is no longer true with 4KB drives that
are used with ashift=9.

> The problem with step 2 is that you need to have enough hard disks
> spare to create a whole new pool and throw away the old disks. Plus
> a disk controller with lots of spare ports. Plus the ability to take
> the system offline for hours or days while the migration happens.
>
> One way to reduce this slightly is to create a new pool with reduced
> redundancy. For example, create a RAIDZ2 with two fake disks, then
> off-line those disks.

Both methods are dangerous! Studies have found, that the risk of
another disk failure during resilvering is substantial. That was
the reason for higher RAIDZ redundancy groups (raidz2, raidz3).

With 1) you have to copy the data multiple times and the load
could lead to loss of one of the source drives (and since you
are in the process of overwriting the drive that provided
redundancy, you loose your pool that way).

The copying to a degraded pool that you describe in 2) is a
possibility (and I've done it, once). You should make sure, that
all source data is still available until a successful resilvering
of the "new" pool with the fake disks replaced. You could do this
by moving the redundant disks from the old pool the new pool (i.e.
degrading the old pool, after all data has been copied, to use the
redundant drives to complete the new pool). But this assumes, that
the technologies of the drives match - I'll soon go from 4*2TB to
3*4TB (raidz1 in both cases), since I had 2 of the 2TB drives fail
over the course of last year (replaced under warranty).

> So, given how much this problem sucks (it is extremely easy to add
> a 4K disk by mistake as a replacement for a failed disk), and how
> painful the workaround is... will ZFS ever gain the ability to change
> block size for the pool? Or is this so deep in the internals of ZFS
> it is as likely as being able to dynamically add disks to an existing
> zvol in the "never going to happen" basket?

You can add a 4 KB physical drive that emulates 512 byte sectors
(nearly all drives do) to an ashift=9 ZFS pool, but performance
will suffer and you'll be violating a ZFS assumption as explained
above.

> And secondly, is it also bad to have ashift 9 disks inside a ashift
> 12 pool? That is, do we need to replace all our disks in one go and
> forever keep big sticky labels on each disk so we never mix them?

The ashift parameter is per pool, not per disk. You can have a
drive with emulated 512 byte sectors in an ashift=9 pool, but
you cannot change the ashift value of a pool after creation.

Regards, STefan

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A fix for this bug for finally committed in the ports tree (r367808).

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When I upgraded our cross build server to RELENG10 from 9, I lost the 
ability to build RELENG_8 images.  Is there some magic that needs to be 
done in order to make this work on RELENG_10 ?

it dies at

===> gnu/usr.bin/cvs/contrib (depend)
===> gnu/usr.bin/cvs/cvsbug (depend)
===> gnu/usr.bin/cvs/doc (depend)
===> gnu/usr.bin/dc (depend)
rm -f .depend
mkdep -f .depend -a    -I/crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../bc 
-I/crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/h 
-DHAVE_CONFIG_H 
/crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/dc/array.c 
/crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/dc/dc.c 
/crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/dc/eval.c 
/crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/dc/misc.c 
/crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/dc/numeric.c 
/crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/dc/stack.c 
/crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/dc/string.c 
/crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/lib/number.c
echo dc: /crossbuilds/obj/8amd64/crossbuilds/src/8/tmp/usr/lib/libc.a 
/crossbuilds/obj/8amd64/crossbuilds/src/8/tmp/usr/lib/libm.a >> .depend
===> gnu/usr.bin/dc/doc (depend)
===> gnu/usr.bin/dialog (depend)
rm -f .depend
mkdep -f .depend -a     /crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dialog/dialog.c
echo dialog: 
/crossbuilds/obj/8amd64/crossbuilds/src/8/tmp/usr/lib/libc.a 
/crossbuilds/obj/8amd64/crossbuilds/src/8/tmp/usr/lib/libdialog.a 
/crossbuilds/obj/8amd64/crossbuilds/src/8/tmp/usr/lib/libncurses.a >> 
.depend
===> gnu/usr.bin/dialog/TESTS (depend)
===> gnu/usr.bin/diff (depend)
patch -s -b .orig -o context.c < 
/crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/diff/context.c.diff 
/crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/diff/../../../contrib/diff/src/context.c
   I can't seem to find a patch in there anywhere.
*** Error code 2

Stop in /crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/diff.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /crossbuilds/src/8/gnu.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /crossbuilds/src/8.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /crossbuilds/src/8.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
make: stopped in /crossbuilds/src/8


Another error I noticed is that make -j1 fails right away if the obj 
directory does not exist. This used to work

0(backup3)# setenv MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX /crossbuilds/obj/8amd64
0(backup3)# rm -R /crossbuilds/obj/8amd64
0(backup3)# make -j1 buildworld
A failure has been detected in another branch of the parallel make

make[1]: stopped in /crossbuilds/src/8
*** [upgrade_checks] Error code 2

make: stopped in /crossbuilds/src/8
1 error

make: stopped in /crossbuilds/src/8
2(backup3)#


	---Mike



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On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 11:42:14 AM Mike Tancsa wrote:
> When I upgraded our cross build server to RELENG10 from 9, I lost the
> ability to build RELENG_8 images.  Is there some magic that needs to be
> done in order to make this work on RELENG_10 ?

I punted on building 8 on 10 when I ran into this (I know use bhyve vms 
running 8 to test MFCs to 8 since I can boot-test them as well as build-test 
them).  I don't think there are any known workarounds.

-- 
John Baldwin

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On 10 Sep, Mike Tancsa wrote:
> When I upgraded our cross build server to RELENG10 from 9, I lost the 
> ability to build RELENG_8 images.  Is there some magic that needs to be 
> done in order to make this work on RELENG_10 ?
> 
> it dies at
> 
> ===> gnu/usr.bin/cvs/contrib (depend)
> ===> gnu/usr.bin/cvs/cvsbug (depend)
> ===> gnu/usr.bin/cvs/doc (depend)
> ===> gnu/usr.bin/dc (depend)
> rm -f .depend
> mkdep -f .depend -a    -I/crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../bc 
> -I/crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/h 
> -DHAVE_CONFIG_H 
> /crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/dc/array.c 
> /crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/dc/dc.c 
> /crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/dc/eval.c 
> /crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/dc/misc.c 
> /crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/dc/numeric.c 
> /crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/dc/stack.c 
> /crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/dc/string.c 
> /crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/lib/number.c
> echo dc: /crossbuilds/obj/8amd64/crossbuilds/src/8/tmp/usr/lib/libc.a 
> /crossbuilds/obj/8amd64/crossbuilds/src/8/tmp/usr/lib/libm.a >> .depend
> ===> gnu/usr.bin/dc/doc (depend)
> ===> gnu/usr.bin/dialog (depend)
> rm -f .depend
> mkdep -f .depend -a     /crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dialog/dialog.c
> echo dialog: 
> /crossbuilds/obj/8amd64/crossbuilds/src/8/tmp/usr/lib/libc.a 
> /crossbuilds/obj/8amd64/crossbuilds/src/8/tmp/usr/lib/libdialog.a 
> /crossbuilds/obj/8amd64/crossbuilds/src/8/tmp/usr/lib/libncurses.a >> 
> .depend
> ===> gnu/usr.bin/dialog/TESTS (depend)
> ===> gnu/usr.bin/diff (depend)
> patch -s -b .orig -o context.c < 
> /crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/diff/context.c.diff 
> /crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/diff/../../../contrib/diff/src/context.c
>    I can't seem to find a patch in there anywhere.
> *** Error code 2

I ran into this same problem.  The BSD patch in 10 interprets the -b
option differently than the GNU patch in 8 and 9.  I worked around this
by tweaking the Makefiles for diff, diff3, and sdiff to get rid of the
-b .orig arguments to patch, since that should be the default anyway.

I was cross building i386 on an amd64 host and ran into another problem
with the cross version of lint (actually lint1) core dumping.  So far I
haven't been able to track down the cause of that.


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On 10 Sep, To: mike@sentex.net wrote:
> On 10 Sep, Mike Tancsa wrote:
>> When I upgraded our cross build server to RELENG10 from 9, I lost the 
>> ability to build RELENG_8 images.  Is there some magic that needs to be 
>> done in order to make this work on RELENG_10 ?
>> 
>> it dies at
>> 
>> ===> gnu/usr.bin/cvs/contrib (depend)
>> ===> gnu/usr.bin/cvs/cvsbug (depend)
>> ===> gnu/usr.bin/cvs/doc (depend)
>> ===> gnu/usr.bin/dc (depend)
>> rm -f .depend
>> mkdep -f .depend -a    -I/crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../bc 
>> -I/crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/h 
>> -DHAVE_CONFIG_H 
>> /crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/dc/array.c 
>> /crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/dc/dc.c 
>> /crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/dc/eval.c 
>> /crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/dc/misc.c 
>> /crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/dc/numeric.c 
>> /crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/dc/stack.c 
>> /crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/dc/string.c 
>> /crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dc/../../../contrib/bc/lib/number.c
>> echo dc: /crossbuilds/obj/8amd64/crossbuilds/src/8/tmp/usr/lib/libc.a 
>> /crossbuilds/obj/8amd64/crossbuilds/src/8/tmp/usr/lib/libm.a >> .depend
>> ===> gnu/usr.bin/dc/doc (depend)
>> ===> gnu/usr.bin/dialog (depend)
>> rm -f .depend
>> mkdep -f .depend -a     /crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/dialog/dialog.c
>> echo dialog: 
>> /crossbuilds/obj/8amd64/crossbuilds/src/8/tmp/usr/lib/libc.a 
>> /crossbuilds/obj/8amd64/crossbuilds/src/8/tmp/usr/lib/libdialog.a 
>> /crossbuilds/obj/8amd64/crossbuilds/src/8/tmp/usr/lib/libncurses.a >> 
>> .depend
>> ===> gnu/usr.bin/dialog/TESTS (depend)
>> ===> gnu/usr.bin/diff (depend)
>> patch -s -b .orig -o context.c < 
>> /crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/diff/context.c.diff 
>> /crossbuilds/src/8/gnu/usr.bin/diff/../../../contrib/diff/src/context.c
>>    I can't seem to find a patch in there anywhere.
>> *** Error code 2
> 
> I ran into this same problem.  The BSD patch in 10 interprets the -b
> option differently than the GNU patch in 8 and 9.  I worked around this
> by tweaking the Makefiles for diff, diff3, and sdiff to get rid of the
> -b .orig arguments to patch, since that should be the default anyway.
> 
> I was cross building i386 on an amd64 host and ran into another problem
> with the cross version of lint (actually lint1) core dumping.  So far I
> haven't been able to track down the cause of that.

I also had to make lex a bootstrap too.  My patches are in this
message:
<http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?201408292318.s7TNIjMI073287>



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On 9/10/2014 12:17 PM, Don Lewis wrote:
>
> I also had to make lex a bootstrap too.  My patches are in this
> message:
> <http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?201408292318.s7TNIjMI073287>

Thanks Don and jhb.  I think I will just fire up a bhyve instance on 
this box for the purpose of building RELENG_8 images then.

	---Mike



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As of some recent SVN pulls (date unsure), we are seeing the problem below.
Any thoughts or help most welcome:


cc  -O2 -pipe 
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-I/usr/src/usr.bin/svn/svn/../../../contrib/subversion/subversion -I/usr/src
/usr.bin/svn/svn/..  -I/usr/src/usr.bin/svn/svn/../lib/libapr 
-I/usr/src/usr.bin/svn/svn/../../../contrib/apr/include/arch/unix 
-I/usr/src/usr.bin/svn/svn/../../../
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-I/usr/src/usr.bin/svn/svn/../../../contrib/apr-util/include/private 
-I/usr/src/usr.bin/svn/svn/.
./../../contrib/apr-util/include -I. -DHAS_ORGANIZATION_NAME -std=gnu99 
-Qunused-arguments  -fstack-protector -Wno-pointer-sign -Wno-empty-body 
-Wno-string-plus-int -
Wno-unused-const-variable -Wno-tautological-compare -Wno-unused-value 
-Wno-parentheses-equality -Wno-unused-function -Wno-enum-conversion -Wno-switch 
-Wno-switch-enum
  -Wno-knr-promoted-parameter -Wno-parentheses -c 
/usr/src/usr.bin/svn/svn/../../../contrib/subversion/subversion/svn/util.c
--- svnlite.1 ---
sed -E 's,(^| |B|`)svn,\1svnlite,g' 
/usr/src/usr.bin/svn/svn/../../../contrib/subversion/subversion/svn/svn.1 > 
/usr/obj/usr/src/usr.bin/svn/svn/svnlite.1
--- svnlite.1.gz ---
gzip -cn svnlite.1 > svnlite.1.gz
--- util.o ---
/usr/src/usr.bin/svn/svn/../../../contrib/subversion/subversion/svn/util.c:416:7: error: 
expected ')'
       ORGANIZATION_NAME
       ^
./freebsd-organization.h:1:27: note: expanded from macro 'ORGANIZATION_NAME'
#define ORGANIZATION_NAME TundraWare Inc.
                           ^
/usr/src/usr.bin/svn/svn/../../../contrib/subversion/subversion/svn/util.c:414:27: 
note: to match this '('
   svn_stringbuf_appendcstr(default_msg, "Sponsored by:\t"
                           ^
1 error generated.
*** [util.o] Error code 1


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> #define ORGANIZATION_NAME TundraWare Inc.
>

Aren't there some string quotes missing from around that string? Also,
given your domain, I think that's locally introduced....

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On Wed, 2014-09-10 at 13:27 -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
> As of some recent SVN pulls (date unsure), we are seeing the problem below.
> Any thoughts or help most welcome:
> 
> 
> cc  -O2 -pipe 
> -I/usr/src/usr.bin/svn/svn/../../../contrib/subversion/subversion/include 
> -I/usr/src/usr.bin/svn/svn/../../../contrib/subversion/subversion -I/usr/src
> /usr.bin/svn/svn/..  -I/usr/src/usr.bin/svn/svn/../lib/libapr 
> -I/usr/src/usr.bin/svn/svn/../../../contrib/apr/include/arch/unix 
> -I/usr/src/usr.bin/svn/svn/../../../
> contrib/apr/include  -I/usr/src/usr.bin/svn/svn/../lib/libapr_util 
> -I/usr/src/usr.bin/svn/svn/../../../contrib/apr-util/include/private 
> -I/usr/src/usr.bin/svn/svn/.
> ./../../contrib/apr-util/include -I. -DHAS_ORGANIZATION_NAME -std=gnu99 
> -Qunused-arguments  -fstack-protector -Wno-pointer-sign -Wno-empty-body 
> -Wno-string-plus-int -
> Wno-unused-const-variable -Wno-tautological-compare -Wno-unused-value 
> -Wno-parentheses-equality -Wno-unused-function -Wno-enum-conversion -Wno-switch 
> -Wno-switch-enum
>   -Wno-knr-promoted-parameter -Wno-parentheses -c 
> /usr/src/usr.bin/svn/svn/../../../contrib/subversion/subversion/svn/util.c
> --- svnlite.1 ---
> sed -E 's,(^| |B|`)svn,\1svnlite,g' 
> /usr/src/usr.bin/svn/svn/../../../contrib/subversion/subversion/svn/svn.1 > 
> /usr/obj/usr/src/usr.bin/svn/svn/svnlite.1
> --- svnlite.1.gz ---
> gzip -cn svnlite.1 > svnlite.1.gz
> --- util.o ---
> /usr/src/usr.bin/svn/svn/../../../contrib/subversion/subversion/svn/util.c:416:7: error: 
> expected ')'
>        ORGANIZATION_NAME
>        ^
> ./freebsd-organization.h:1:27: note: expanded from macro 'ORGANIZATION_NAME'
> #define ORGANIZATION_NAME TundraWare Inc.
>                            ^
> /usr/src/usr.bin/svn/svn/../../../contrib/subversion/subversion/svn/util.c:414:27: 
> note: to match this '('
>    svn_stringbuf_appendcstr(default_msg, "Sponsored by:\t"
>                            ^
> 1 error generated.
> *** [util.o] Error code 1
> 
> 

It looks like you've set ORGANIZATION=TundraWare Inc. in make.conf or
the build environment.  If you include quotes it should work fine.
Depending on where you set it, you may need to escape them or use outer
single quotes to protect a set of inner double quotes, like one of:

  ORGANIZATION=\"TundraWare Inc.\"
  ORGANIZATION='"TundraWare Inc."'

-- Ian



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On 09/10/2014 01:38 PM, Brandon Allbery wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Tim Daneliuk <tundra@tundraware.com> wrote:
>
>> #define ORGANIZATION_NAME TundraWare Inc.
>>
>
> Aren't there some string quotes missing from around that string? Also,
> given your domain, I think that's locally introduced....
>

The error indicates that there is a missing paren in a function call.

Also, this exact same configuration has compiled flawlessly for over
a decade since FBSD 2.x   Something new has been introduced.

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On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Tim Daneliuk <tundra@tundraware.com> wrote:

> 0On 09/10/2014 01:38 PM, Brandon Allbery wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Tim Daneliuk <tundra@tundraware.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  #define ORGANIZATION_NAME TundraWare Inc.
>>>
>>>
>> Aren't there some string quotes missing from around that string? Also,
>> given your domain, I think that's locally introduced....
>>
>>
> The error indicates that there is a missing paren in a function call.
>

Yes, because when it expands that non-string in a context requiring a
string, it's getting something that is a syntax error, and its attempt to
recover makes it think that you missed a closing ). But what really
happened is it got:

    svn_stringbuf_appendcstr(default_msg, "Sponsored by:\t"
        TundraWare Inc.
    )

and that is not valid C. It's expecting a C string literal, not plain text.



> Also, this exact same configuration has compiled flawlessly for over
> a decade since FBSD 2.x   Something new has been introduced.


Likely that it's actually using your syntax error now instead of it just
sitting in a file unreferenced.

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> On 9.9.2014, at 19.03, Kimmo Paasiala <kpaasial@icloud.com> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>> On 9.9.2014, at 18.53, Steven Hartland <killing@multiplay.co.uk> =
wrote:
>>=20
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimmo Paasiala" =
<kpaasial@icloud.com>
>>> Hi it=E2=80=99s me again. Something that was committed in stable/10 =
after r271213 up to
>>> and including r271288 broke ZFS on Root booting in exactly the same =
way again.
>>> I know the problem is no longer related to extra kernel modules =
loaded in
>>> /boot/loader.conf because I=E2=80=99m loading only the required =
zfs.ko and opensolaris.ko
>>> modules. Also, the new vt(4) console that I=E2=80=99m using is not =
the culprit because the
>>> same thing happens with kern.vty set to =E2=80=9Csc=E2=80=9D.
>>=20
>> I've just updated my stable/10 box to r271316 and no problems booting =
from a ZFS root.
>>=20
>> So first things first what error are you seeing?
>>=20
>> Next what is you're:
>> * Hardware
>> * Pool layout
>>=20
>>  Regards
>>  Steve=20
>=20
> The error is the same as before:
>=20
> 	=E2=80=A2 Mounting from zfs:rdnzltank/ROOT/default failed with =
error 5.
>=20
> Followed by the mountroot prompt and I get only these devices to =
choose from, no sign of the ZFS pool:
>=20
> 	=E2=80=A2 mountroot>
> 	=E2=80=A2 List of GEOM managed disk devices:
> 	=E2=80=A2   gpt/fb10disk1 gpt/fb10swap1 =
diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624p3 diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624p2 =
diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624p1 ada0p3 ada0p2 ada0p1 =
diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624 ada0
>=20
> Hardware is a Gigabyte GA-D510UD Mini-ITX motherboard:
>=20
> http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3D3343#ov
>=20
> 4GBs of RAM. One 750GB Samsung HD753LJ 3.5=E2=80=9D SATA HD on the =
Intel SATA controller.
>=20
> Pool layout:
>=20
> pool: rdnzltank
> state: ONLINE
>  scan: scrub repaired 0 in 1h7m with 0 errors on Wed Aug 20 09:27:48 =
2014
> config:
>=20
>        NAME             STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
>        rdnzltank        ONLINE       0     0     0
>          gpt/fb10disk1  ONLINE       0     0     0
>=20
> errors: No known data errors
>=20
> Output of =E2=80=98gpart show=E2=80=99:
>=20
> freebsd10 ~ % gpart show   =20
> =3D>        34  1465146988  ada0  GPT  (699G)
>          34        2014        - free -  (1.0M)
>        2048        1024     1  freebsd-boot  (512K)
>        3072        1024        - free -  (512K)
>        4096    16777216     2  freebsd-swap  (8.0G)
>    16781312  1448365710     3  freebsd-zfs  (691G)
>=20
>=20
> HTH,
>=20
> -Kimmo


More information. This version still works:

FreeBSD freebsd10.rdnzl.info 10.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 10.1-PRERELEASE #0 =
r271237: Wed Sep 10 11:00:15 EEST 2014     =
root@buildstable10amd64.rdnzl.info:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64

The next higher version r271238 breaks booting for me. The commit in =
question is this one:

=
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=3Drevision&sortby=3Drev&sortdir=3Ddown=
&revision=3D271238

-Kimmo


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Subject: Re: ZFS on root booting broken somewhere after r270020


>
>> On 9.9.2014, at 19.03, Kimmo Paasiala <kpaasial@icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On 9.9.2014, at 18.53, Steven Hartland <killing@multiplay.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimmo Paasiala" <kpaasial@icloud.com>
>>>> Hi it’s me again. Something that was committed in stable/10 after r271213 up to
>>>> and including r271288 broke ZFS on Root booting in exactly the same way again.
>>>> I know the problem is no longer related to extra kernel modules loaded in
>>>> /boot/loader.conf because I’m loading only the required zfs.ko and opensolaris.ko
>>>> modules. Also, the new vt(4) console that I’m using is not the culprit because the
>>>> same thing happens with kern.vty set to “sc”.
>>>
>>> I've just updated my stable/10 box to r271316 and no problems booting from a ZFS root.
>>>
>>> So first things first what error are you seeing?
>>>
>>> Next what is you're:
>>> * Hardware
>>> * Pool layout
>>>
>>>  Regards
>>>  Steve
>>
>> The error is the same as before:
>>
>> • Mounting from zfs:rdnzltank/ROOT/default failed with error 5.
>>
>> Followed by the mountroot prompt and I get only these devices to choose from, no sign of the ZFS pool:
>>
>> • mountroot>
>> • List of GEOM managed disk devices:
>> •   gpt/fb10disk1 gpt/fb10swap1 diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624p3 diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624p2 diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624p1 ada0p3 
>> ada0p2 ada0p1 diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624 ada0
>>
>> Hardware is a Gigabyte GA-D510UD Mini-ITX motherboard:
>>
>> http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3343#ov
>>
>> 4GBs of RAM. One 750GB Samsung HD753LJ 3.5” SATA HD on the Intel SATA controller.
>>
>> Pool layout:
>>
>> pool: rdnzltank
>> state: ONLINE
>>  scan: scrub repaired 0 in 1h7m with 0 errors on Wed Aug 20 09:27:48 2014
>> config:
>>
>>        NAME             STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
>>        rdnzltank        ONLINE       0     0     0
>>          gpt/fb10disk1  ONLINE       0     0     0
>>
>> errors: No known data errors
>>
>> Output of ‘gpart show’:
>>
>> freebsd10 ~ % gpart show
>> =>        34  1465146988  ada0  GPT  (699G)
>>          34        2014        - free -  (1.0M)
>>        2048        1024     1  freebsd-boot  (512K)
>>        3072        1024        - free -  (512K)
>>        4096    16777216     2  freebsd-swap  (8.0G)
>>    16781312  1448365710     3  freebsd-zfs  (691G)
>>
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> -Kimmo
>
>
> More information. This version still works:
>
> FreeBSD freebsd10.rdnzl.info 10.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 10.1-PRERELEASE #0 r271237: Wed Sep 10 11:00:15 EEST 2014 
> root@buildstable10amd64.rdnzl.info:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
>
> The next higher version r271238 breaks booting for me. The commit in question is this one:
>
> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&sortby=rev&sortdir=down&revision=271238

Investigating, had no reports of issues while this has been in head.

    Regards
    Steve 


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On 09/10/2014 01:51 PM, Brandon Allbery wrote:
>> Also, this exact same configuration has compiled flawlessly for over
>> >a decade since FBSD 2.x   Something new has been introduced.
>
> Likely that it's actually using your syntax error now instead of it just
> sitting in a file unreferenced.



Well something has definitely changed of late.  Not only do I now have
to cleanup the env variable with proper quoting, building kernels now
fails with -j8 with a complaint about another branch of the parallel
make failing.  Dropping it to -j4 seems to fix it but ... still a bit
strange.


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On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:52:09AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote:
| On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 11:42:14 AM Mike Tancsa wrote:
| > When I upgraded our cross build server to RELENG10 from 9, I lost the
| > ability to build RELENG_8 images.  Is there some magic that needs to be
| > done in order to make this work on RELENG_10 ?
| 
| I punted on building 8 on 10 when I ran into this (I know use bhyve vms 
| running 8 to test MFCs to 8 since I can boot-test them as well as build-test 
| them).  I don't think there are any known workarounds.

We've been building older releases via chroot and setting environment
variables.  I have some local hacks to set the uname etc info. in
a jail via sysctl in the jail.

Doug A.

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Subject: Re: ZFS on root booting broken somewhere after r270020
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Hartland" <killing@multiplay.co.uk>
To: "Kimmo Paasiala" <kpaasial@icloud.com>
Cc: <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: ZFS on root booting broken somewhere after r270020


>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kimmo Paasiala" <kpaasial@icloud.com>
> To: "Steven Hartland" <killing@multiplay.co.uk>
> Cc: <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:26 PM
> Subject: Re: ZFS on root booting broken somewhere after r270020
>
>
>>
>>> On 9.9.2014, at 19.03, Kimmo Paasiala <kpaasial@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 9.9.2014, at 18.53, Steven Hartland <killing@multiplay.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimmo Paasiala" <kpaasial@icloud.com>
>>>>> Hi it’s me again. Something that was committed in stable/10 after r271213 up to
>>>>> and including r271288 broke ZFS on Root booting in exactly the same way again.
>>>>> I know the problem is no longer related to extra kernel modules loaded in
>>>>> /boot/loader.conf because I’m loading only the required zfs.ko and opensolaris.ko
>>>>> modules. Also, the new vt(4) console that I’m using is not the culprit because the
>>>>> same thing happens with kern.vty set to “sc”.
>>>>
>>>> I've just updated my stable/10 box to r271316 and no problems booting from a ZFS root.
>>>>
>>>> So first things first what error are you seeing?
>>>>
>>>> Next what is you're:
>>>> * Hardware
>>>> * Pool layout
>>>>
>>>>  Regards
>>>>  Steve
>>>
>>> The error is the same as before:
>>>
>>> • Mounting from zfs:rdnzltank/ROOT/default failed with error 5.
>>>
>>> Followed by the mountroot prompt and I get only these devices to choose from, no sign of the ZFS pool:
>>>
>>> • mountroot>
>>> • List of GEOM managed disk devices:
>>> •   gpt/fb10disk1 gpt/fb10swap1 diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624p3 diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624p2 diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624p1 ada0p3 
>>> ada0p2 ada0p1 diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624 ada0
>>>
>>> Hardware is a Gigabyte GA-D510UD Mini-ITX motherboard:
>>>
>>> http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3343#ov
>>>
>>> 4GBs of RAM. One 750GB Samsung HD753LJ 3.5” SATA HD on the Intel SATA controller.
>>>
>>> Pool layout:
>>>
>>> pool: rdnzltank
>>> state: ONLINE
>>>  scan: scrub repaired 0 in 1h7m with 0 errors on Wed Aug 20 09:27:48 2014
>>> config:
>>>
>>>        NAME             STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
>>>        rdnzltank        ONLINE       0     0     0
>>>          gpt/fb10disk1  ONLINE       0     0     0
>>>
>>> errors: No known data errors
>>>
>>> Output of ‘gpart show’:
>>>
>>> freebsd10 ~ % gpart show
>>> =>        34  1465146988  ada0  GPT  (699G)
>>>          34        2014        - free -  (1.0M)
>>>        2048        1024     1  freebsd-boot  (512K)
>>>        3072        1024        - free -  (512K)
>>>        4096    16777216     2  freebsd-swap  (8.0G)
>>>    16781312  1448365710     3  freebsd-zfs  (691G)
>>>
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>>
>>> -Kimmo
>>
>>
>> More information. This version still works:
>>
>> FreeBSD freebsd10.rdnzl.info 10.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 10.1-PRERELEASE #0 r271237: Wed Sep 10 11:00:15 EEST 2014 
>> root@buildstable10amd64.rdnzl.info:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
>>
>> The next higher version r271238 breaks booting for me. The commit in question is this one:
>>
>> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&sortby=rev&sortdir=down&revision=271238
>
> Investigating, had no reports of issues while this has been in head.

I've just installed a stable/10 kernel, specifically:
10.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 10.1-PRERELEASE #11 r271316M

and booted fine from a mirrored root without issue:
config:

        NAME        STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
        tank        ONLINE       0     0     0
          mirror-0  ONLINE       0     0     0
            ada0p3  ONLINE       0     0     0
            ada2p3  ONLINE       0     0     0

gpart show ada0 ada2
=>       34  250069613  ada0  GPT  (119G)
         34        128     1  freebsd-boot  (64K)
        162    8388608     2  freebsd-swap  (4.0G)
    8388770  241680877     3  freebsd-zfs  (115G)

=>       40  586072288  ada2  GPT  (279G)
         40        128     1  freebsd-boot  (64K)
        168    8388608     2  freebsd-swap  (4.0G)
    8388776  577683552     3  freebsd-zfs  (275G)

I then detached the second disk so the machine had just:
config:

        NAME        STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
        tank        ONLINE       0     0     0
          ada0p3    ONLINE       0     0     0

Rebooted and again all fine no issues

I've also got a raidz1 box on the same kernel it too is fine.

=>       34  500118125  ada0  GPT  (238G)
         34        128     1  freebsd-boot  (64K)
        162  500117997     2  freebsd-zfs  (238G)
...

So its seems like there's something odd about your environment, especially
given you've had a similar issue before.

So the questions:
1. What does zpool get all report?
2. What does /boot/loader.conf have in it?
3. What does zdb -C rdnzltank report?
4. What does /etc/rc.conf have in it?

    Regards
    Steve 


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On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 04:30:09 PM Doug Ambrisko wrote:
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> | On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 11:42:14 AM Mike Tancsa wrote:
> | > When I upgraded our cross build server to RELENG10 from 9, I lost=
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> | > done in order to make this work on RELENG_10 ?
> |=20
> | I punted on building 8 on 10 when I ran into this (I know use bhyve=
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> | running 8 to test MFCs to 8 since I can boot-test them as well as
> | build-test them).  I don't think there are any known workarounds.
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> We've been building older releases via chroot and setting environment=

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> a jail via sysctl in the jail.

This is the only "officially" supported cross-branch mode we supported,=
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> On 11.9.2014, at 2.41, Steven Hartland <killing@multiplay.co.uk> =
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Hartland" =
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> To: "Kimmo Paasiala" <kpaasial@icloud.com>
> Cc: <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 11:36 PM
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>>=20
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimmo Paasiala" =
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>> To: "Steven Hartland" <killing@multiplay.co.uk>
>> Cc: <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: ZFS on root booting broken somewhere after r270020
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>>>> On 9.9.2014, at 19.03, Kimmo Paasiala <kpaasial@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>=20
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>>>>> On 9.9.2014, at 18.53, Steven Hartland <killing@multiplay.co.uk> =
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>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimmo Paasiala" =
<kpaasial@icloud.com>
>>>>>> Hi it=E2=80=99s me again. Something that was committed in =
stable/10 after r271213 up to
>>>>>> and including r271288 broke ZFS on Root booting in exactly the =
same way again.
>>>>>> I know the problem is no longer related to extra kernel modules =
loaded in
>>>>>> /boot/loader.conf because I=E2=80=99m loading only the required =
zfs.ko and opensolaris.ko
>>>>>> modules. Also, the new vt(4) console that I=E2=80=99m using is =
not the culprit because the
>>>>>> same thing happens with kern.vty set to =E2=80=9Csc=E2=80=9D.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I've just updated my stable/10 box to r271316 and no problems =
booting from a ZFS root.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> So first things first what error are you seeing?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Next what is you're:
>>>>> * Hardware
>>>>> * Pool layout
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Steve
>>>>=20
>>>> The error is the same as before:
>>>>=20
>>>> =E2=80=A2 Mounting from zfs:rdnzltank/ROOT/default failed with =
error 5.
>>>>=20
>>>> Followed by the mountroot prompt and I get only these devices to =
choose from, no sign of the ZFS pool:
>>>>=20
>>>> =E2=80=A2 mountroot>
>>>> =E2=80=A2 List of GEOM managed disk devices:
>>>> =E2=80=A2   gpt/fb10disk1 gpt/fb10swap1 =
diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624p3 diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624p2 =
diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624p1 ada0p3 ada0p2 ada0p1 =
diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624 ada0
>>>>=20
>>>> Hardware is a Gigabyte GA-D510UD Mini-ITX motherboard:
>>>>=20
>>>> http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3D3343#ov
>>>>=20
>>>> 4GBs of RAM. One 750GB Samsung HD753LJ 3.5=E2=80=9D SATA HD on the =
Intel SATA controller.
>>>>=20
>>>> Pool layout:
>>>>=20
>>>> pool: rdnzltank
>>>> state: ONLINE
>>>> scan: scrub repaired 0 in 1h7m with 0 errors on Wed Aug 20 09:27:48 =
2014
>>>> config:
>>>>=20
>>>>       NAME             STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
>>>>       rdnzltank        ONLINE       0     0     0
>>>>         gpt/fb10disk1  ONLINE       0     0     0
>>>>=20
>>>> errors: No known data errors
>>>>=20
>>>> Output of =E2=80=98gpart show=E2=80=99:
>>>>=20
>>>> freebsd10 ~ % gpart show
>>>> =3D>        34  1465146988  ada0  GPT  (699G)
>>>>         34        2014        - free -  (1.0M)
>>>>       2048        1024     1  freebsd-boot  (512K)
>>>>       3072        1024        - free -  (512K)
>>>>       4096    16777216     2  freebsd-swap  (8.0G)
>>>>   16781312  1448365710     3  freebsd-zfs  (691G)
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> HTH,
>>>>=20
>>>> -Kimmo
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> More information. This version still works:
>>>=20
>>> FreeBSD freebsd10.rdnzl.info 10.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 10.1-PRERELEASE =
#0 r271237: Wed Sep 10 11:00:15 EEST 2014 =
root@buildstable10amd64.rdnzl.info:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
>>>=20
>>> The next higher version r271238 breaks booting for me. The commit in =
question is this one:
>>>=20
>>> =
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=3Drevision&sortby=3Drev&sortdir=3Ddown=
&revision=3D271238
>>=20
>> Investigating, had no reports of issues while this has been in head.
>=20
> I've just installed a stable/10 kernel, specifically:
> 10.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 10.1-PRERELEASE #11 r271316M
>=20
> and booted fine from a mirrored root without issue:
> config:
>=20
>       NAME        STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
>       tank        ONLINE       0     0     0
>         mirror-0  ONLINE       0     0     0
>           ada0p3  ONLINE       0     0     0
>           ada2p3  ONLINE       0     0     0
>=20
> gpart show ada0 ada2
> =3D>       34  250069613  ada0  GPT  (119G)
>        34        128     1  freebsd-boot  (64K)
>       162    8388608     2  freebsd-swap  (4.0G)
>   8388770  241680877     3  freebsd-zfs  (115G)
>=20
> =3D>       40  586072288  ada2  GPT  (279G)
>        40        128     1  freebsd-boot  (64K)
>       168    8388608     2  freebsd-swap  (4.0G)
>   8388776  577683552     3  freebsd-zfs  (275G)
>=20
> I then detached the second disk so the machine had just:
> config:
>=20
>       NAME        STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
>       tank        ONLINE       0     0     0
>         ada0p3    ONLINE       0     0     0
>=20
> Rebooted and again all fine no issues
>=20
> I've also got a raidz1 box on the same kernel it too is fine.
>=20
> =3D>       34  500118125  ada0  GPT  (238G)
>        34        128     1  freebsd-boot  (64K)
>       162  500117997     2  freebsd-zfs  (238G)
> ...
>=20
> So its seems like there's something odd about your environment, =
especially
> given you've had a similar issue before.
>=20
> So the questions:
> 1. What does zpool get all report?
> 2. What does /boot/loader.conf have in it?
> 3. What does zdb -C rdnzltank report?
> 4. What does /etc/rc.conf have in it?
>=20
>   Regards
>   Steve=20

Here goes:

freebsd10 ~ % zpool get all rdnzltank=20
NAME       PROPERTY                       VALUE                          =
SOURCE
rdnzltank  size                           688G                           =
-
rdnzltank  capacity                       9%                             =
-
rdnzltank  altroot                        -                              =
default
rdnzltank  health                         ONLINE                         =
-
rdnzltank  guid                           5382786142589818227            =
default
rdnzltank  version                        -                              =
default
rdnzltank  bootfs                         rdnzltank/ROOT/default         =
local
rdnzltank  delegation                     on                             =
default
rdnzltank  autoreplace                    off                            =
default
rdnzltank  cachefile                      -                              =
default
rdnzltank  failmode                       wait                           =
default
rdnzltank  listsnapshots                  off                            =
default
rdnzltank  autoexpand                     off                            =
default
rdnzltank  dedupditto                     0                              =
default
rdnzltank  dedupratio                     1.00x                          =
-
rdnzltank  free                           622G                           =
-
rdnzltank  allocated                      66.2G                          =
-
rdnzltank  readonly                       off                            =
-
rdnzltank  comment                        -                              =
default
rdnzltank  expandsize                     0                              =
-
rdnzltank  freeing                        0                              =
default
rdnzltank  fragmentation                  20%                            =
-
rdnzltank  leaked                         0                              =
default
rdnzltank  feature@async_destroy          enabled                        =
local
rdnzltank  feature@empty_bpobj            active                         =
local
rdnzltank  feature@lz4_compress           active                         =
local
rdnzltank  feature@multi_vdev_crash_dump  enabled                        =
local
rdnzltank  feature@spacemap_histogram     active                         =
local
rdnzltank  feature@enabled_txg            active                         =
local
rdnzltank  feature@hole_birth             active                         =
local
rdnzltank  feature@extensible_dataset     enabled                        =
local
rdnzltank  feature@embedded_data          active                         =
local
rdnzltank  feature@bookmarks              enabled                        =
local
rdnzltank  feature@filesystem_limits      enabled                        =
local

freebsd10 ~ % cat /boot/loader.conf =20

kern.geom.label.gptid.enable=3D0
hw.usb.no_pf=3D1
kern.cam.ada.legacy_aliases=3D0
zfs_load=3D"YES"
vfs.zfs.prefetch_disable=3D0
kern.vty=3Dvt

I have already tried without the gptid and legacy_aliases options, no =
difference. The prefetch_disable was at the default setting 1 when the =
problem appeared. The hw.usb.no_pf setting shouldn=E2=80=99t have an =
effect but I can test it once I can reboot the machine again. I=E2=80=99m =
attaching a second disk at the moment to make a mirror of the pool. The =
kern.vty setting didn=E2=80=99t make a difference.

The next is now with the second disk being resilvered, gpt/fb10disk2 is =
the new disk:

MOS Configuration:
        version: 5000
        name: 'rdnzltank'
        state: 0
        txg: 1634460
        pool_guid: 5382786142589818227
        hostid: 852094392
        hostname: 'freebsd10.rdnzl.info'
        vdev_children: 1
        vdev_tree:
            type: 'root'
            id: 0
            guid: 5382786142589818227
            children[0]:
                type: 'mirror'
                id: 0
                guid: 6268049119730836293
                whole_disk: 0
                metaslab_array: 34
                metaslab_shift: 32
                ashift: 9
                asize: 741558452224
                is_log: 0
                create_txg: 4
                children[0]:
                    type: 'disk'
                    id: 0
                    guid: 1732695434302750511
                    path: '/dev/gpt/fb10disk1'
                    phys_path: '/dev/gpt/fb10disk1'
                    whole_disk: 1
                    DTL: 98
                    create_txg: 4
                children[1]:
                    type: 'disk'
                    id: 1
                    guid: 15812067837864729710
                    path: '/dev/gpt/fb10disk2'
                    phys_path: '/dev/gpt/fb10disk2'
                    whole_disk: 1
                    DTL: 526
                    create_txg: 4
                    resilver_txg: 1634424
        features_for_read:
            com.delphix:hole_birth
            com.delphix:embedded_data

I don=E2=80=99t think have anything in /etc/rc.conf that would have an =
effect at the time when kernel tries to mount the root filesystem but =
here it is:

hostname=3D"freebsd10.rdnzl.info"
keymap=3D"fi.kbd"

#cloned_interfaces=3D"lo1"
#ifconfig_vtnet0=3D"SYNCDHCP"
ifconfig_re0=3D"inet 10.71.14.12/24"
#ifconfig_re0_alias0=3D"inet 10.71.14.112/24"
defaultrouter=3D"10.71.14.1"
#gateway_enable=3D"YES"

ipv6_activate_all_interfaces=3D"YES"
#ifconfig_vtnet0_ipv6=3D"accept_rtadv"
ifconfig_re0_ipv6=3D"inet6 2001:14b8:100:ZZZZ::XXXX/64"
ipv6_defaultrouter=3D"2001:14b8:100:ZZZZ::1"=20
#ipv6_gateway_enable=3D"YES"

#pf_enable=3D"YES"
#pflog_enable=3D"YES"
#pflog_flags=3D"-d 10 -s 256"

zfs_enable=3D"YES"

#devfs_load_rulesets=3DYES

sshd_enable=3D"YES"
# Set dumpdev to "AUTO" to enable crash dumps, "NO" to disable
dumpdev=3D"AUTO"

clear_tmp_enable=3D"YES"

sendmail_enable=3D"NO"
sendmail_submit_enable=3D"NO"
sendmail_outbound_enable=3D"NO"
sendmail_msp_queue_enable=3D"NO"

rpcbind_enable=3D"YES"
nfs_server_enable=3D"YES"
mountd_enable=3D"YES"

#nfsv4_server_enable=3D"YES"
#nfsuserd_enable=3D"YES"
#mountd_flags=3D"-r"

ntpd_enable=3D"YES"
ntpd_sync_on_start=3D"YES"

jail_enable=3D"YES"
jail_list=3D"buildstable10amd64 buildreleng100i386"

#ntpdate_enable=3D"YES"
#ntpdate_hosts=3D"10.71.14.1"

nginx_enable=3D"YES"


#mdnsresponderposix_enable=3D"YES"
mdnsresponderposix_flags=3D"-f /usr/local/etc/mDNSResponder.conf"


#openntpd_enable=3D"YES"

#avahi_daemon_enable=3D"YES"
#dbus_enable=3D"YES"
mdnsd_enable=3D"YES"

smartd_enable=3D"YES"

dma_flushq_enable=3D=E2=80=9CYES=E2=80=9D

-Kimmo




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Thanks Stefan and Peter for the highly informative posts.

On 10/09/2014 5:48pm, Stefan Esser wrote:
> ZFS uses variable block sizes by breaking down large blocks to smaller
> fragments as suitable for the data to be stored. The largest block to
> be used is configurable (128 KByte by default) and the smallest fragment
> is the sector size (i.e. 512 or 4096 bytes), as configured by "ashift".

So this means that the ZFS developers would need to effectively (re)fragment the entire pool if they wanted to develop a way to increase the ashift size. This sounds like something that isn't going to be solved in the near future (less than three years) if it is a similar technical problem to inserting another disk into an existing vdev.

And that means that as it becomes harder to buy older 512 byte disks, everyone with a ZFS pool is going to be stuck with managing quite a lot of downtime as they upgrade. And even more pain if they boot off that pool.


On 10/09/2014 4:51pm, Peter Wemm wrote:
> For what its worth, in the freebsd.org cluster we automatically align 
> everything to a minimum of 4k, no matter what the actual drive is.
> 
> We set:  sysctl vfs.zfs.min_auto_ashift=12
> (this saves a lot of messing around with gnop etc)
> 
> and ensure all the gpt slices are 4k or better aligned.

Should the FreeBSD project change this minimum in the next release? There seems to be no downside and a huge amount of pain for people who stumble along with the defaults not knowing what a mess they are creating to solve later.


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----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Steven Hartland" <killing@multiplay.co.uk>
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> On 11.9.2014, at 2.41, Steven Hartland <killing@multiplay.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Hartland" <killing@multiplay.co.uk>
> To: "Kimmo Paasiala" <kpaasial@icloud.com>
> Cc: <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 11:36 PM
> Subject: Re: ZFS on root booting broken somewhere after r270020
>
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimmo Paasiala" <kpaasial@icloud.com>
>> To: "Steven Hartland" <killing@multiplay.co.uk>
>> Cc: <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: ZFS on root booting broken somewhere after r270020
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> On 9.9.2014, at 19.03, Kimmo Paasiala <kpaasial@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 9.9.2014, at 18.53, Steven Hartland <killing@multiplay.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimmo Paasiala" <kpaasial@icloud.com>
>>>>>> Hi it’s me again. Something that was committed in stable/10 after r271213 up to
>>>>>> and including r271288 broke ZFS on Root booting in exactly the same way again.
>>>>>> I know the problem is no longer related to extra kernel modules loaded in
>>>>>> /boot/loader.conf because I’m loading only the required zfs.ko and opensolaris.ko
>>>>>> modules. Also, the new vt(4) console that I’m using is not the culprit because the
>>>>>> same thing happens with kern.vty set to “sc”.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've just updated my stable/10 box to r271316 and no problems booting from a ZFS root.
>>>>>
>>>>> So first things first what error are you seeing?
>>>>>
>>>>> Next what is you're:
>>>>> * Hardware
>>>>> * Pool layout
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> The error is the same as before:
>>>>
>>>> • Mounting from zfs:rdnzltank/ROOT/default failed with error 5.
>>>>
>>>> Followed by the mountroot prompt and I get only these devices to choose from, no sign of the ZFS pool:
>>>>
>>>> • mountroot>
>>>> • List of GEOM managed disk devices:
>>>> •   gpt/fb10disk1 gpt/fb10swap1 diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624p3 diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624p2 diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624p1 ada0p3 
>>>> ada0p2 ada0p1 diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624 ada0
>>>>
>>>> Hardware is a Gigabyte GA-D510UD Mini-ITX motherboard:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3343#ov
>>>>
>>>> 4GBs of RAM. One 750GB Samsung HD753LJ 3.5” SATA HD on the Intel SATA controller.
>>>>
>>>> Pool layout:
>>>>
>>>> pool: rdnzltank
>>>> state: ONLINE
>>>> scan: scrub repaired 0 in 1h7m with 0 errors on Wed Aug 20 09:27:48 2014
>>>> config:
>>>>
>>>>       NAME             STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
>>>>       rdnzltank        ONLINE       0     0     0
>>>>         gpt/fb10disk1  ONLINE       0     0     0
>>>>
>>>> errors: No known data errors
>>>>
>>>> Output of ‘gpart show’:
>>>>
>>>> freebsd10 ~ % gpart show
>>>> =>        34  1465146988  ada0  GPT  (699G)
>>>>         34        2014        - free -  (1.0M)
>>>>       2048        1024     1  freebsd-boot  (512K)
>>>>       3072        1024        - free -  (512K)
>>>>       4096    16777216     2  freebsd-swap  (8.0G)
>>>>   16781312  1448365710     3  freebsd-zfs  (691G)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> HTH,
>>>>
>>>> -Kimmo
>>>
>>>
>>> More information. This version still works:
>>>
>>> FreeBSD freebsd10.rdnzl.info 10.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 10.1-PRERELEASE #0 r271237: Wed Sep 10 11:00:15 EEST 2014 
>>> root@buildstable10amd64.rdnzl.info:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
>>>
>>> The next higher version r271238 breaks booting for me. The commit in question is this one:
>>>
>>> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&sortby=rev&sortdir=down&revision=271238
>>
>> Investigating, had no reports of issues while this has been in head.
>
> I've just installed a stable/10 kernel, specifically:
> 10.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 10.1-PRERELEASE #11 r271316M
>
> and booted fine from a mirrored root without issue:
> config:
>
>       NAME        STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
>       tank        ONLINE       0     0     0
>         mirror-0  ONLINE       0     0     0
>           ada0p3  ONLINE       0     0     0
>           ada2p3  ONLINE       0     0     0
>
> gpart show ada0 ada2
> =>       34  250069613  ada0  GPT  (119G)
>        34        128     1  freebsd-boot  (64K)
>       162    8388608     2  freebsd-swap  (4.0G)
>   8388770  241680877     3  freebsd-zfs  (115G)
>
> =>       40  586072288  ada2  GPT  (279G)
>        40        128     1  freebsd-boot  (64K)
>       168    8388608     2  freebsd-swap  (4.0G)
>   8388776  577683552     3  freebsd-zfs  (275G)
>
> I then detached the second disk so the machine had just:
> config:
>
>       NAME        STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
>       tank        ONLINE       0     0     0
>         ada0p3    ONLINE       0     0     0
>
> Rebooted and again all fine no issues
>
> I've also got a raidz1 box on the same kernel it too is fine.
>
> =>       34  500118125  ada0  GPT  (238G)
>        34        128     1  freebsd-boot  (64K)
>       162  500117997     2  freebsd-zfs  (238G)
> ...
>
> So its seems like there's something odd about your environment, especially
> given you've had a similar issue before.
>
> So the questions:
> 1. What does zpool get all report?
> 2. What does /boot/loader.conf have in it?
> 3. What does zdb -C rdnzltank report?
> 4. What does /etc/rc.conf have in it?
>
>   Regards
>   Steve

Here goes:
snip...

The next is now with the second disk being resilvered, gpt/fb10disk2 is the new disk:

MOS Configuration:
        version: 5000
        name: 'rdnzltank'
        state: 0
        txg: 1634460
        pool_guid: 5382786142589818227
        hostid: 852094392
        hostname: 'freebsd10.rdnzl.info'
        vdev_children: 1
        vdev_tree:
            type: 'root'
            id: 0
            guid: 5382786142589818227
            children[0]:
                type: 'mirror'
                id: 0
                guid: 6268049119730836293
                whole_disk: 0
                metaslab_array: 34
                metaslab_shift: 32
                ashift: 9
                asize: 741558452224
                is_log: 0
                create_txg: 4
                children[0]:
                    type: 'disk'
                    id: 0
                    guid: 1732695434302750511
                    path: '/dev/gpt/fb10disk1'
                    phys_path: '/dev/gpt/fb10disk1'
                    whole_disk: 1
                    DTL: 98
                    create_txg: 4
                children[1]:
                    type: 'disk'
                    id: 1
                    guid: 15812067837864729710
                    path: '/dev/gpt/fb10disk2'
                    phys_path: '/dev/gpt/fb10disk2'
                    whole_disk: 1
                    DTL: 526
                    create_txg: 4
                    resilver_txg: 1634424
        features_for_read:
            com.delphix:hole_birth
            com.delphix:embedded_data

Ok this could show your problem ^^

In a previous post your said
>>>> pool: rdnzltank
>>>> state: ONLINE
>>>> scan: scrub repaired 0 in 1h7m with 0 errors on Wed Aug 20 09:27:48 2014
>>>> config:
>>>>
>>>>       NAME             STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
>>>>       rdnzltank        ONLINE       0     0     0
>>>>         gpt/fb10disk1  ONLINE       0     0     0

But zdb thinks your pool is a mirror which I believe indicates that your pool's real
config is out of sync with the cache file.

Now this shouldn't cause an issue as it should just try all devices in order until it
succeeds but there may be an issue there somewhere.

Could you:-
1. backup your cache file
    cp /boot/zfs/zpool.cache /boot/zfs/zpool.cache.old
2. regenerate your cache file
    zpool set cachefile=/boot/zfs/zpool.cache tank
3. rerun the zdb command and let us know the output
    zdb -C rdnzltank
    I'm hoping that it should show:
    ...
        vdev_tree:
            type: 'root'
            id: 0
            guid: 5382786142589818227
            children[0]:
                type: 'disk'
    ..
4. If it does show type 'disk' try rebooting with the new kernel.

    Regards
    Steve 


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> On 11.9.2014, at 3.52, Steven Hartland <killing@multiplay.co.uk> =
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>=20
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimmo Paasiala" =
<kpaasial@icloud.com>
> To: "Steven Hartland" <killing@multiplay.co.uk>
> Cc: <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 1:04 AM
> Subject: Re: ZFS on root booting broken somewhere after r270020
>=20
>=20
>=20
>> On 11.9.2014, at 2.41, Steven Hartland <killing@multiplay.co.uk> =
wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Hartland" =
<killing@multiplay.co.uk>
>> To: "Kimmo Paasiala" <kpaasial@icloud.com>
>> Cc: <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 11:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: ZFS on root booting broken somewhere after r270020
>>=20
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimmo Paasiala" =
<kpaasial@icloud.com>
>>> To: "Steven Hartland" <killing@multiplay.co.uk>
>>> Cc: <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:26 PM
>>> Subject: Re: ZFS on root booting broken somewhere after r270020
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>> On 9.9.2014, at 19.03, Kimmo Paasiala <kpaasial@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On 9.9.2014, at 18.53, Steven Hartland <killing@multiplay.co.uk> =
wrote:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimmo Paasiala" =
<kpaasial@icloud.com>
>>>>>>> Hi it=E2=80=99s me again. Something that was committed in =
stable/10 after r271213 up to
>>>>>>> and including r271288 broke ZFS on Root booting in exactly the =
same way again.
>>>>>>> I know the problem is no longer related to extra kernel modules =
loaded in
>>>>>>> /boot/loader.conf because I=E2=80=99m loading only the required =
zfs.ko and opensolaris.ko
>>>>>>> modules. Also, the new vt(4) console that I=E2=80=99m using is =
not the culprit because the
>>>>>>> same thing happens with kern.vty set to =E2=80=9Csc=E2=80=9D.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> I've just updated my stable/10 box to r271316 and no problems =
booting from a ZFS root.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> So first things first what error are you seeing?
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Next what is you're:
>>>>>> * Hardware
>>>>>> * Pool layout
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>=20
>>>>> The error is the same as before:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> =E2=80=A2 Mounting from zfs:rdnzltank/ROOT/default failed with =
error 5.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Followed by the mountroot prompt and I get only these devices to =
choose from, no sign of the ZFS pool:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> =E2=80=A2 mountroot>
>>>>> =E2=80=A2 List of GEOM managed disk devices:
>>>>> =E2=80=A2   gpt/fb10disk1 gpt/fb10swap1 =
diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624p3 diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624p2 =
diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624p1 ada0p3 ada0p2 ada0p1 =
diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624 ada0
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Hardware is a Gigabyte GA-D510UD Mini-ITX motherboard:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3D3343#ov
>>>>>=20
>>>>> 4GBs of RAM. One 750GB Samsung HD753LJ 3.5=E2=80=9D SATA HD on the =
Intel SATA controller.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Pool layout:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> pool: rdnzltank
>>>>> state: ONLINE
>>>>> scan: scrub repaired 0 in 1h7m with 0 errors on Wed Aug 20 =
09:27:48 2014
>>>>> config:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>      NAME             STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
>>>>>      rdnzltank        ONLINE       0     0     0
>>>>>        gpt/fb10disk1  ONLINE       0     0     0
>>>>>=20
>>>>> errors: No known data errors
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Output of =E2=80=98gpart show=E2=80=99:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> freebsd10 ~ % gpart show
>>>>> =3D>        34  1465146988  ada0  GPT  (699G)
>>>>>        34        2014        - free -  (1.0M)
>>>>>      2048        1024     1  freebsd-boot  (512K)
>>>>>      3072        1024        - free -  (512K)
>>>>>      4096    16777216     2  freebsd-swap  (8.0G)
>>>>>  16781312  1448365710     3  freebsd-zfs  (691G)
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>=20
>>>>> -Kimmo
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> More information. This version still works:
>>>>=20
>>>> FreeBSD freebsd10.rdnzl.info 10.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD =
10.1-PRERELEASE #0 r271237: Wed Sep 10 11:00:15 EEST 2014 =
root@buildstable10amd64.rdnzl.info:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
>>>>=20
>>>> The next higher version r271238 breaks booting for me. The commit =
in question is this one:
>>>>=20
>>>> =
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=3Drevision&sortby=3Drev&sortdir=3Ddown=
&revision=3D271238
>>>=20
>>> Investigating, had no reports of issues while this has been in head.
>>=20
>> I've just installed a stable/10 kernel, specifically:
>> 10.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 10.1-PRERELEASE #11 r271316M
>>=20
>> and booted fine from a mirrored root without issue:
>> config:
>>=20
>>      NAME        STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
>>      tank        ONLINE       0     0     0
>>        mirror-0  ONLINE       0     0     0
>>          ada0p3  ONLINE       0     0     0
>>          ada2p3  ONLINE       0     0     0
>>=20
>> gpart show ada0 ada2
>> =3D>       34  250069613  ada0  GPT  (119G)
>>       34        128     1  freebsd-boot  (64K)
>>      162    8388608     2  freebsd-swap  (4.0G)
>>  8388770  241680877     3  freebsd-zfs  (115G)
>>=20
>> =3D>       40  586072288  ada2  GPT  (279G)
>>       40        128     1  freebsd-boot  (64K)
>>      168    8388608     2  freebsd-swap  (4.0G)
>>  8388776  577683552     3  freebsd-zfs  (275G)
>>=20
>> I then detached the second disk so the machine had just:
>> config:
>>=20
>>      NAME        STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
>>      tank        ONLINE       0     0     0
>>        ada0p3    ONLINE       0     0     0
>>=20
>> Rebooted and again all fine no issues
>>=20
>> I've also got a raidz1 box on the same kernel it too is fine.
>>=20
>> =3D>       34  500118125  ada0  GPT  (238G)
>>       34        128     1  freebsd-boot  (64K)
>>      162  500117997     2  freebsd-zfs  (238G)
>> ...
>>=20
>> So its seems like there's something odd about your environment, =
especially
>> given you've had a similar issue before.
>>=20
>> So the questions:
>> 1. What does zpool get all report?
>> 2. What does /boot/loader.conf have in it?
>> 3. What does zdb -C rdnzltank report?
>> 4. What does /etc/rc.conf have in it?
>>=20
>>  Regards
>>  Steve
>=20
> Here goes:
> snip...
>=20
> The next is now with the second disk being resilvered, gpt/fb10disk2 =
is the new disk:
>=20
> MOS Configuration:
>       version: 5000
>       name: 'rdnzltank'
>       state: 0
>       txg: 1634460
>       pool_guid: 5382786142589818227
>       hostid: 852094392
>       hostname: 'freebsd10.rdnzl.info'
>       vdev_children: 1
>       vdev_tree:
>           type: 'root'
>           id: 0
>           guid: 5382786142589818227
>           children[0]:
>               type: 'mirror'
>               id: 0
>               guid: 6268049119730836293
>               whole_disk: 0
>               metaslab_array: 34
>               metaslab_shift: 32
>               ashift: 9
>               asize: 741558452224
>               is_log: 0
>               create_txg: 4
>               children[0]:
>                   type: 'disk'
>                   id: 0
>                   guid: 1732695434302750511
>                   path: '/dev/gpt/fb10disk1'
>                   phys_path: '/dev/gpt/fb10disk1'
>                   whole_disk: 1
>                   DTL: 98
>                   create_txg: 4
>               children[1]:
>                   type: 'disk'
>                   id: 1
>                   guid: 15812067837864729710
>                   path: '/dev/gpt/fb10disk2'
>                   phys_path: '/dev/gpt/fb10disk2'
>                   whole_disk: 1
>                   DTL: 526
>                   create_txg: 4
>                   resilver_txg: 1634424
>       features_for_read:
>           com.delphix:hole_birth
>           com.delphix:embedded_data
>=20
> Ok this could show your problem ^^
>=20
> In a previous post your said
>>>>> pool: rdnzltank
>>>>> state: ONLINE
>>>>> scan: scrub repaired 0 in 1h7m with 0 errors on Wed Aug 20 =
09:27:48 2014
>>>>> config:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>      NAME             STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
>>>>>      rdnzltank        ONLINE       0     0     0
>>>>>        gpt/fb10disk1  ONLINE       0     0     0
>=20
> But zdb thinks your pool is a mirror which I believe indicates that =
your pool's real
> config is out of sync with the cache file.
>=20
> Now this shouldn't cause an issue as it should just try all devices in =
order until it
> succeeds but there may be an issue there somewhere.
>=20
> Could you:-
> 1. backup your cache file
>   cp /boot/zfs/zpool.cache /boot/zfs/zpool.cache.old
> 2. regenerate your cache file
>   zpool set cachefile=3D/boot/zfs/zpool.cache tank
> 3. rerun the zdb command and let us know the output
>   zdb -C rdnzltank
>   I'm hoping that it should show:
>   ...
>       vdev_tree:
>           type: 'root'
>           id: 0
>           guid: 5382786142589818227
>           children[0]:
>               type: 'disk'
>   ..
> 4. If it does show type 'disk' try rebooting with the new kernel.
>=20
>   Regards
>   Steve=20

Yes, as I said I=E2=80=99m right now trying to see if the pool would =
work as a mirror with the newer kernel that somehow broke booting for =
me. I=E2=80=99m in the middle of a resilver that keeps restarting for =
some odd reason every 15 minutes=E2=80=A6

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> On 11.9.2014, at 3.04, Kimmo Paasiala <kpaasial@icloud.com> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>> On 11.9.2014, at 2.41, Steven Hartland <killing@multiplay.co.uk> =
wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Hartland" =
<killing@multiplay.co.uk>
>> To: "Kimmo Paasiala" <kpaasial@icloud.com>
>> Cc: <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 11:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: ZFS on root booting broken somewhere after r270020
>>=20
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimmo Paasiala" =
<kpaasial@icloud.com>
>>> To: "Steven Hartland" <killing@multiplay.co.uk>
>>> Cc: <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:26 PM
>>> Subject: Re: ZFS on root booting broken somewhere after r270020
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>> On 9.9.2014, at 19.03, Kimmo Paasiala <kpaasial@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On 9.9.2014, at 18.53, Steven Hartland <killing@multiplay.co.uk> =
wrote:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimmo Paasiala" =
<kpaasial@icloud.com>
>>>>>>> Hi it=E2=80=99s me again. Something that was committed in =
stable/10 after r271213 up to
>>>>>>> and including r271288 broke ZFS on Root booting in exactly the =
same way again.
>>>>>>> I know the problem is no longer related to extra kernel modules =
loaded in
>>>>>>> /boot/loader.conf because I=E2=80=99m loading only the required =
zfs.ko and opensolaris.ko
>>>>>>> modules. Also, the new vt(4) console that I=E2=80=99m using is =
not the culprit because the
>>>>>>> same thing happens with kern.vty set to =E2=80=9Csc=E2=80=9D.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> I've just updated my stable/10 box to r271316 and no problems =
booting from a ZFS root.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> So first things first what error are you seeing?
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Next what is you're:
>>>>>> * Hardware
>>>>>> * Pool layout
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>=20
>>>>> The error is the same as before:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> =E2=80=A2 Mounting from zfs:rdnzltank/ROOT/default failed with =
error 5.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Followed by the mountroot prompt and I get only these devices to =
choose from, no sign of the ZFS pool:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> =E2=80=A2 mountroot>
>>>>> =E2=80=A2 List of GEOM managed disk devices:
>>>>> =E2=80=A2   gpt/fb10disk1 gpt/fb10swap1 =
diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624p3 diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624p2 =
diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624p1 ada0p3 ada0p2 ada0p1 =
diskid/DISK-S13UJDWS301624 ada0
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Hardware is a Gigabyte GA-D510UD Mini-ITX motherboard:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3D3343#ov
>>>>>=20
>>>>> 4GBs of RAM. One 750GB Samsung HD753LJ 3.5=E2=80=9D SATA HD on the =
Intel SATA controller.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Pool layout:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> pool: rdnzltank
>>>>> state: ONLINE
>>>>> scan: scrub repaired 0 in 1h7m with 0 errors on Wed Aug 20 =
09:27:48 2014
>>>>> config:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>      NAME             STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
>>>>>      rdnzltank        ONLINE       0     0     0
>>>>>        gpt/fb10disk1  ONLINE       0     0     0
>>>>>=20
>>>>> errors: No known data errors
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Output of =E2=80=98gpart show=E2=80=99:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> freebsd10 ~ % gpart show
>>>>> =3D>        34  1465146988  ada0  GPT  (699G)
>>>>>        34        2014        - free -  (1.0M)
>>>>>      2048        1024     1  freebsd-boot  (512K)
>>>>>      3072        1024        - free -  (512K)
>>>>>      4096    16777216     2  freebsd-swap  (8.0G)
>>>>>  16781312  1448365710     3  freebsd-zfs  (691G)
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>=20
>>>>> -Kimmo
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> More information. This version still works:
>>>>=20
>>>> FreeBSD freebsd10.rdnzl.info 10.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD =
10.1-PRERELEASE #0 r271237: Wed Sep 10 11:00:15 EEST 2014 =
root@buildstable10amd64.rdnzl.info:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
>>>>=20
>>>> The next higher version r271238 breaks booting for me. The commit =
in question is this one:
>>>>=20
>>>> =
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=3Drevision&sortby=3Drev&sortdir=3Ddown=
&revision=3D271238
>>>=20
>>> Investigating, had no reports of issues while this has been in head.
>>=20
>> I've just installed a stable/10 kernel, specifically:
>> 10.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 10.1-PRERELEASE #11 r271316M
>>=20
>> and booted fine from a mirrored root without issue:
>> config:
>>=20
>>      NAME        STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
>>      tank        ONLINE       0     0     0
>>        mirror-0  ONLINE       0     0     0
>>          ada0p3  ONLINE       0     0     0
>>          ada2p3  ONLINE       0     0     0
>>=20
>> gpart show ada0 ada2
>> =3D>       34  250069613  ada0  GPT  (119G)
>>       34        128     1  freebsd-boot  (64K)
>>      162    8388608     2  freebsd-swap  (4.0G)
>>  8388770  241680877     3  freebsd-zfs  (115G)
>>=20
>> =3D>       40  586072288  ada2  GPT  (279G)
>>       40        128     1  freebsd-boot  (64K)
>>      168    8388608     2  freebsd-swap  (4.0G)
>>  8388776  577683552     3  freebsd-zfs  (275G)
>>=20
>> I then detached the second disk so the machine had just:
>> config:
>>=20
>>      NAME        STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
>>      tank        ONLINE       0     0     0
>>        ada0p3    ONLINE       0     0     0
>>=20
>> Rebooted and again all fine no issues
>>=20
>> I've also got a raidz1 box on the same kernel it too is fine.
>>=20
>> =3D>       34  500118125  ada0  GPT  (238G)
>>       34        128     1  freebsd-boot  (64K)
>>      162  500117997     2  freebsd-zfs  (238G)
>> ...
>>=20
>> So its seems like there's something odd about your environment, =
especially
>> given you've had a similar issue before.
>>=20
>> So the questions:
>> 1. What does zpool get all report?
>> 2. What does /boot/loader.conf have in it?
>> 3. What does zdb -C rdnzltank report?
>> 4. What does /etc/rc.conf have in it?
>>=20
>>  Regards
>>  Steve=20
>=20
> Here goes:
>=20
> freebsd10 ~ % zpool get all rdnzltank=20
> NAME       PROPERTY                       VALUE                        =
  SOURCE
> rdnzltank  size                           688G                         =
  -
> rdnzltank  capacity                       9%                           =
  -
> rdnzltank  altroot                        -                            =
  default
> rdnzltank  health                         ONLINE                       =
  -
> rdnzltank  guid                           5382786142589818227          =
  default
> rdnzltank  version                        -                            =
  default
> rdnzltank  bootfs                         rdnzltank/ROOT/default       =
  local
> rdnzltank  delegation                     on                           =
  default
> rdnzltank  autoreplace                    off                          =
  default
> rdnzltank  cachefile                      -                            =
  default
> rdnzltank  failmode                       wait                         =
  default
> rdnzltank  listsnapshots                  off                          =
  default
> rdnzltank  autoexpand                     off                          =
  default
> rdnzltank  dedupditto                     0                            =
  default
> rdnzltank  dedupratio                     1.00x                        =
  -
> rdnzltank  free                           622G                         =
  -
> rdnzltank  allocated                      66.2G                        =
  -
> rdnzltank  readonly                       off                          =
  -
> rdnzltank  comment                        -                            =
  default
> rdnzltank  expandsize                     0                            =
  -
> rdnzltank  freeing                        0                            =
  default
> rdnzltank  fragmentation                  20%                          =
  -
> rdnzltank  leaked                         0                            =
  default
> rdnzltank  feature@async_destroy          enabled                      =
  local
> rdnzltank  feature@empty_bpobj            active                       =
  local
> rdnzltank  feature@lz4_compress           active                       =
  local
> rdnzltank  feature@multi_vdev_crash_dump  enabled                      =
  local
> rdnzltank  feature@spacemap_histogram     active                       =
  local
> rdnzltank  feature@enabled_txg            active                       =
  local
> rdnzltank  feature@hole_birth             active                       =
  local
> rdnzltank  feature@extensible_dataset     enabled                      =
  local
> rdnzltank  feature@embedded_data          active                       =
  local
> rdnzltank  feature@bookmarks              enabled                      =
  local
> rdnzltank  feature@filesystem_limits      enabled                      =
  local
>=20
> freebsd10 ~ % cat /boot/loader.conf =20
>=20
> kern.geom.label.gptid.enable=3D0
> hw.usb.no_pf=3D1
> kern.cam.ada.legacy_aliases=3D0
> zfs_load=3D"YES"
> vfs.zfs.prefetch_disable=3D0
> kern.vty=3Dvt
>=20
> I have already tried without the gptid and legacy_aliases options, no =
difference. The prefetch_disable was at the default setting 1 when the =
problem appeared. The hw.usb.no_pf setting shouldn=E2=80=99t have an =
effect but I can test it once I can reboot the machine again. I=E2=80=99m =
attaching a second disk at the moment to make a mirror of the pool. The =
kern.vty setting didn=E2=80=99t make a difference.
>=20
> The next is now with the second disk being resilvered, gpt/fb10disk2 =
is the new disk:
>=20
> MOS Configuration:
>        version: 5000
>        name: 'rdnzltank'
>        state: 0
>        txg: 1634460
>        pool_guid: 5382786142589818227
>        hostid: 852094392
>        hostname: 'freebsd10.rdnzl.info'
>        vdev_children: 1
>        vdev_tree:
>            type: 'root'
>            id: 0
>            guid: 5382786142589818227
>            children[0]:
>                type: 'mirror'
>                id: 0
>                guid: 6268049119730836293
>                whole_disk: 0
>                metaslab_array: 34
>                metaslab_shift: 32
>                ashift: 9
>                asize: 741558452224
>                is_log: 0
>                create_txg: 4
>                children[0]:
>                    type: 'disk'
>                    id: 0
>                    guid: 1732695434302750511
>                    path: '/dev/gpt/fb10disk1'
>                    phys_path: '/dev/gpt/fb10disk1'
>                    whole_disk: 1
>                    DTL: 98
>                    create_txg: 4
>                children[1]:
>                    type: 'disk'
>                    id: 1
>                    guid: 15812067837864729710
>                    path: '/dev/gpt/fb10disk2'
>                    phys_path: '/dev/gpt/fb10disk2'
>                    whole_disk: 1
>                    DTL: 526
>                    create_txg: 4
>                    resilver_txg: 1634424
>        features_for_read:
>            com.delphix:hole_birth
>            com.delphix:embedded_data
>=20
> I don=E2=80=99t think have anything in /etc/rc.conf that would have an =
effect at the time when kernel tries to mount the root filesystem but =
here it is:
>=20
> hostname=3D"freebsd10.rdnzl.info"
> keymap=3D"fi.kbd"
>=20
> #cloned_interfaces=3D"lo1"
> #ifconfig_vtnet0=3D"SYNCDHCP"
> ifconfig_re0=3D"inet 10.71.14.12/24"
> #ifconfig_re0_alias0=3D"inet 10.71.14.112/24"
> defaultrouter=3D"10.71.14.1"
> #gateway_enable=3D"YES"
>=20
> ipv6_activate_all_interfaces=3D"YES"
> #ifconfig_vtnet0_ipv6=3D"accept_rtadv"
> ifconfig_re0_ipv6=3D"inet6 2001:14b8:100:ZZZZ::XXXX/64"
> ipv6_defaultrouter=3D"2001:14b8:100:ZZZZ::1"=20
> #ipv6_gateway_enable=3D"YES"
>=20
> #pf_enable=3D"YES"
> #pflog_enable=3D"YES"
> #pflog_flags=3D"-d 10 -s 256"
>=20
> zfs_enable=3D"YES"
>=20
> #devfs_load_rulesets=3DYES
>=20
> sshd_enable=3D"YES"
> # Set dumpdev to "AUTO" to enable crash dumps, "NO" to disable
> dumpdev=3D"AUTO"
>=20
> clear_tmp_enable=3D"YES"
>=20
> sendmail_enable=3D"NO"
> sendmail_submit_enable=3D"NO"
> sendmail_outbound_enable=3D"NO"
> sendmail_msp_queue_enable=3D"NO"
>=20
> rpcbind_enable=3D"YES"
> nfs_server_enable=3D"YES"
> mountd_enable=3D"YES"
>=20
> #nfsv4_server_enable=3D"YES"
> #nfsuserd_enable=3D"YES"
> #mountd_flags=3D"-r"
>=20
> ntpd_enable=3D"YES"
> ntpd_sync_on_start=3D"YES"
>=20
> jail_enable=3D"YES"
> jail_list=3D"buildstable10amd64 buildreleng100i386"
>=20
> #ntpdate_enable=3D"YES"
> #ntpdate_hosts=3D"10.71.14.1"
>=20
> nginx_enable=3D"YES"
>=20
>=20
> #mdnsresponderposix_enable=3D"YES"
> mdnsresponderposix_flags=3D"-f /usr/local/etc/mDNSResponder.conf"
>=20
>=20
> #openntpd_enable=3D"YES"
>=20
> #avahi_daemon_enable=3D"YES"
> #dbus_enable=3D"YES"
> mdnsd_enable=3D"YES"
>=20
> smartd_enable=3D"YES"
>=20
> dma_flushq_enable=3D=E2=80=9CYES=E2=80=9D
>=20
> -Kimmo
>=20

Just a thought. Is my problem related to the use of GPT labeled =
partitions in my pool configuration? Your testing shows just "raw" =
devices like ada0p3 etc.

-Kimmo


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Tim Daneliuk <tundra@tundraware.com> wrote:

> Well something has definitely changed of late.  Not only do I now have
> to cleanup the env variable with proper quoting,

You say that as if it's a bad thing!


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aristedes Maniatis" <ari@ish.com.au>
To: "Stefan Esser" <se@freebsd.org>; "freebsd-stable" <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: getting to 4K disk blocks in ZFS


> Thanks Stefan and Peter for the highly informative posts.
>
> On 10/09/2014 5:48pm, Stefan Esser wrote:
>> ZFS uses variable block sizes by breaking down large blocks to smaller
>> fragments as suitable for the data to be stored. The largest block to
>> be used is configurable (128 KByte by default) and the smallest fragment
>> is the sector size (i.e. 512 or 4096 bytes), as configured by "ashift".
>
> So this means that the ZFS developers would need to effectively (re)fragment the entire pool if they wanted to develop a way to 
> increase the ashift size. This sounds like something that isn't going to be solved in the near future (less than three years) if 
> it is a similar technical problem to inserting another disk into an existing vdev.
>
> And that means that as it becomes harder to buy older 512 byte disks, everyone with a ZFS pool is going to be stuck with managing 
> quite a lot of downtime as they upgrade. And even more pain if they boot off that pool.
>
>
> On 10/09/2014 4:51pm, Peter Wemm wrote:
>> For what its worth, in the freebsd.org cluster we automatically align
>> everything to a minimum of 4k, no matter what the actual drive is.
>>
>> We set:  sysctl vfs.zfs.min_auto_ashift=12
>> (this saves a lot of messing around with gnop etc)
>>
>> and ensure all the gpt slices are 4k or better aligned.
>
> Should the FreeBSD project change this minimum in the next release?
> There seems to be no downside and a huge amount of pain for people
> who stumble along with the defaults not knowing what a mess they are
> creating to solve later.

The downside is wasted space which can be significant and hence when
I last suggested just this it was unfortunately rejected.

We still maintain a local patch to our source tree which does just
this because, as you've mentioned, we don't want the pain so its
easier to just run everything as 4k.

    Regards
    Steve 


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----- Original Message ----- 
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snip...

> Just a thought. Is my problem related to the use of GPT labeled partitions
> in my pool configuration? Your testing shows just "raw" devices like ada0p3 etc.

That "should" have no impact on anything, we disable gptids and diskid's as we
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    Regards
    Steve

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> On Sep 10, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Aristedes Maniatis <ari@ish.com.au> wrote:
>=20
> As we all know, it is important to ensure that modern disks are set up pro=
perly with the correct block size. Everything is good if all the disks and t=
he pool are "ashift=3D9" (512 byte blocks). But as soon as one new drive req=
uires 4k blocks, performance drops through the floor of the enture pool.
>=20
>=20
> In order to upgrade there appear to be two separate things that must be do=
ne for a ZFS pool.
>=20
> 1. Create partitions on 4K boundaries. This is simple with the "-a 4k" opt=
ion in gpart, and it isn't hard to remove disks one at a time from a pool, r=
eformat them on the right boundaries and put them back. Hopefully you've lef=
t a few spare bytes on the disk to ensure that your partition doesn't get sm=
aller when you reinsert it to the pool.
>=20
> 2. Create a brand new pool which has ashift=3D12 and zfs send|receive all t=
he data over.
>=20
>=20
> I guess I don't understand enough about zpool to know why the pool itself h=
as a block size, since I understood ZFS to have variable stripe widths.
>=20
> The problem with step 2 is that you need to have enough hard disks spare t=
o create a whole new pool and throw away the old disks. Plus a disk controll=
er with lots of spare ports. Plus the ability to take the system offline for=
 hours or days while the migration happens.
>=20
> One way to reduce this slightly is to create a new pool with reduced redun=
dancy. For example, create a RAIDZ2 with two fake disks, then offline those d=
isks.

Lots of good info in other responses, I just wanted to address this part of y=
our message.

It should be a given that good backups are a requirement before you start an=
y of this. _Especially_ if you have to destroy the old pool in order to prov=
ide redundancy for the new pool.

I have done this ashift conversion and it was a bit of a nail-biting experie=
nce as you've anticipated. The one suggestion I have for improving on the ab=
ove is to use snapshots to minimize the downtime. Get an initial clone of th=
e pool during off-peak hours (if any), then you only need to take the system=
 down to send a "final" differential snapshot.

JN=

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> On 11.9.2014, at 4.25, Steven Hartland <killing@multiplay.co.uk> =
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimmo Paasiala" =
<kpaasial@icloud.com>
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> snip...
>=20
>> Just a thought. Is my problem related to the use of GPT labeled =
partitions
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ada0p3 etc.
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> That "should" have no impact on anything, we disable gptids and =
diskid's as we
> don't like them adding an extra layer for lookups when admins are =
working with
> the machines.
>=20
>   Regards
>   Steve

I recreated the pool on the second disk as another single disk pool, =
performed zfs send -R =E2=80=A6 | zfs receive -F =E2=80=A6

It works now just fine with the kernel that didn=E2=80=99t work with old =
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resilver operations when I tried to expand it into a mirror.

Case closed for now.

-Kimmo



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On 09/10/2014 23:15, Kimmo Paasiala wrote:
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>> On 11.9.2014, at 4.25, Steven Hartland <killing@multiplay.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimmo Paasiala" <kpaasial@icloud.com>
>>
>> snip...
>>
>>> Just a thought. Is my problem related to the use of GPT labeled partitions
>>> in my pool configuration? Your testing shows just "raw" devices like ada0p3 etc.
>>
>> That "should" have no impact on anything, we disable gptids and diskid's as we
>> don't like them adding an extra layer for lookups when admins are working with
>> the machines.
>>
>>   Regards
>>   Steve
> 
> I recreated the pool on the second disk as another single disk pool, performed zfs send -R … | zfs receive -F …
> 
> It works now just fine with the kernel that didn’t work with old pool so there must have been something seriously broken with the old pool. I also noticed the old pool kept repeatedly restarting the resilver operations when I tried to expand it into a mirror.
> 
> Case closed for now.
> 
> -Kimmo
> 
> 

Were you running a newer kernel with an older format zpool?  I heard
ixsystems had customers doing that and ran into corruption when they
tried to modify the zpool in some way (expand? I don't remember).
http://www.bsdnow.tv/episodes/2014_07_09-zfs_war_stories


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--- Comment #3 from sasamotikomi@gmail.com ---
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> Can you do 'gdb /boot/kernel.old9.1/kernel' and then 'l *0xc0aae65'? 

 l *0xc0aae65
No symbol table is loaded.  Use the "file" command


I think, I do it wrong...
>Also, can you provide more details about your system (e.g. do you have an ed(4) or
> xl(4) NIC)?  A non-verbose dmesg would be a good start.
No, I haven't ed(4) or xl(4).
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--- Comment #6 from sasamotikomi@gmail.com ---
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> In all these crashes, the root bug is a NULL pointer dereference (probably)
> at drm_ioctl+0x2ca.  Can you provide the kgdb backtrace from a single
> core.txt file?  It would be good to see what source line corresponds to that
> address.
I still have old GENERIC kernel (/boot/kernel.old.9.1/kernel) how to do that?
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--- Comment #4 from sasamotikomi@gmail.com ---
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> Your filesystem is probably corrupted from an earlier crash.  Run fsck in
> single user mode.

I already do that but.
That I just update xorg
# pkg upgrade xorg
I got similar panic again.
I again run fsck without journals fsck in single user mode.
Update.
"All" ok, I successfully update.

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> Have you run a full fsck on the filesystem?
> 
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> 
> -a

Yes as in single user mode without journal, also I got this panic again, when
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On 11/09/2014 04:22, Steven Hartland wrote:
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aristedes Maniatis" <ari@ish.com.au>
>> Should the FreeBSD project change this minimum in the next release?
>> There seems to be no downside and a huge amount of pain for people
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> The downside is wasted space which can be significant and hence when
> I last suggested just this it was unfortunately rejected.
> 
> We still maintain a local patch to our source tree which does just
> this because, as you've mentioned, we don't want the pain so its
> easier to just run everything as 4k.


Another downside is 1/4th of uberblocks, 32 vs 128.
Also, automatic sector size detection works great for me and I've never had a
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On 9/11/2014 1:24 AM, Andriy Gapon wrote:
> On 11/09/2014 04:22, Steven Hartland wrote:
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aristedes Maniatis" <ari@ish.com.a=
u>
>>> Should the FreeBSD project change this minimum in the next release?
>>> There seems to be no downside and a huge amount of pain for people
>>> who stumble along with the defaults not knowing what a mess they are
>>> creating to solve later.
>> The downside is wasted space which can be significant and hence when
>> I last suggested just this it was unfortunately rejected.
>>
>> We still maintain a local patch to our source tree which does just
>> this because, as you've mentioned, we don't want the pain so its
>> easier to just run everything as 4k.
>
> Another downside is 1/4th of uberblocks, 32 vs 128.
> Also, automatic sector size detection works great for me and I've never=
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> need to manually tweak ashift.
>
It works great until you start replacing older disks with new, larger=20
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IMHO at this point in time it's worth considering a 4k default.

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I cannot find any kernel device configuration statements for drm2 or KMS
(e.g. i915kms) drivers in any of the NOTES files in 10-STABLE.
Presumably configurtation statements for these ought to be available for
use in kernel configuration files for 10.1-RELEASE?

At present, the only way I have found to pick them up (short of hacking
sys/conf/files or building all modules) is by specifying the module in
make.conf and then adding the load_ directive to loader.conf.

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Op 10-09-14 om 09:48 schreef Stefan Esser:
> Am 10.09.2014 um 08:46 schrieb Aristedes Maniatis:
>> As we all know, it is important to ensure that modern disks are set
>> up properly with the correct block size. Everything is good if all
>> the disks and the pool are "ashift=9" (512 byte blocks). But as soon
>> as one new drive requires 4k blocks, performance drops through the
>> floor of the enture pool.
>>
>>
>> In order to upgrade there appear to be two separate things that must
>> be done for a ZFS pool.
>>
>> 1. Create partitions on 4K boundaries. This is simple with the
>> "-a 4k" option in gpart, and it isn't hard to remove disks one at a
>> time from a pool, reformat them on the right boundaries and put them
>> back. Hopefully you've left a few spare bytes on the disk to ensure
>> that your partition doesn't get smaller when you reinsert it to the
>> pool.
>>
>> 2. Create a brand new pool which has ashift=12 and zfs send|receive
>> all the data over.
>>
>>
>> I guess I don't understand enough about zpool to know why the pool
>> itself has a block size, since I understood ZFS to have variable
>> stripe widths.
> I'm not a ZFS internals expert, just a long time user, but I'll try to
> answer your questions.
>
> ZFS is based on a copy-on-write paradigm, which ensures, that no data
> is ever overwritten in place. All writes go to new blank blocks, and
> only after the last reference to an "old" block is lost (when no TXG
> or snapshot has references to it), is the old block freed and put back
> on the free block map.
>
> ZFS uses variable block sizes by breaking down large blocks to smaller
> fragments as suitable for the data to be stored. The largest block to
> be used is configurable (128 KByte by default) and the smallest fragment
> is the sector size (i.e. 512 or 4096 bytes), as configured by "ashift".
>
> The problem with 4K sector disks that report 512 byte sectors is, that
> ZFS still assumes, that no data is overwritten in place, while the disk
> drive does it behind the curtains. ZFS thinks it can atomically write
> 512 bytes, but the drive reads 4K, places the 512 bytes of data within
> that 4K physical sector in the drive's cache, and then writes back the
> 4K of data in one go.
>
> The cost is not only the latency of this read-modify-write sequence,
> but also that an elementary ZFS assumption is violated: Data that is
> in other (logical) 512 byte sectors of the physical 4 KByte sector
> can be lost, if that write operation fails, resulting in loss of data
> in those files that happen to share the physical sector with the one
> that received the write operation.
>
> This may never hit you, but ZFS is built on the assumption, that it
> cannot happen at all, which is no longer true with 4KB drives that
> are used with ashift=9.
>
>> The problem with step 2 is that you need to have enough hard disks
>> spare to create a whole new pool and throw away the old disks. Plus
>> a disk controller with lots of spare ports. Plus the ability to take
>> the system offline for hours or days while the migration happens.
>>
>> One way to reduce this slightly is to create a new pool with reduced
>> redundancy. For example, create a RAIDZ2 with two fake disks, then
>> off-line those disks.
> Both methods are dangerous! Studies have found, that the risk of
> another disk failure during resilvering is substantial. That was
> the reason for higher RAIDZ redundancy groups (raidz2, raidz3).
>
> With 1) you have to copy the data multiple times and the load
> could lead to loss of one of the source drives (and since you
> are in the process of overwriting the drive that provided
> redundancy, you loose your pool that way).
>
> The copying to a degraded pool that you describe in 2) is a
> possibility (and I've done it, once). You should make sure, that
> all source data is still available until a successful resilvering
> of the "new" pool with the fake disks replaced. You could do this
> by moving the redundant disks from the old pool the new pool (i.e.
> degrading the old pool, after all data has been copied, to use the
> redundant drives to complete the new pool). But this assumes, that
> the technologies of the drives match - I'll soon go from 4*2TB to
> 3*4TB (raidz1 in both cases), since I had 2 of the 2TB drives fail
> over the course of last year (replaced under warranty).
>
>> So, given how much this problem sucks (it is extremely easy to add
>> a 4K disk by mistake as a replacement for a failed disk), and how
>> painful the workaround is... will ZFS ever gain the ability to change
>> block size for the pool? Or is this so deep in the internals of ZFS
>> it is as likely as being able to dynamically add disks to an existing
>> zvol in the "never going to happen" basket?
> You can add a 4 KB physical drive that emulates 512 byte sectors
> (nearly all drives do) to an ashift=9 ZFS pool, but performance
> will suffer and you'll be violating a ZFS assumption as explained
> above.
>
>> And secondly, is it also bad to have ashift 9 disks inside a ashift
>> 12 pool? That is, do we need to replace all our disks in one go and
>> forever keep big sticky labels on each disk so we never mix them?
> The ashift parameter is per pool, not per disk. You can have a
> drive with emulated 512 byte sectors in an ashift=9 pool, but
> you cannot change the ashift value of a pool after creation.
The ashift parameter is per vdev, not per pool.


> Regards, STefan
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Quoth Karl Denninger <karl@denninger.net>:
> On 9/11/2014 1:24 AM, Andriy Gapon wrote:
> > On 11/09/2014 04:22, Steven Hartland wrote:
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aristedes Maniatis" <ari@ish.com.au>
> >>> Should the FreeBSD project change this minimum in the next release?
> >>> There seems to be no downside and a huge amount of pain for people
> >>> who stumble along with the defaults not knowing what a mess they are
> >>> creating to solve later.
> >>
> >> The downside is wasted space which can be significant and hence when
> >> I last suggested just this it was unfortunately rejected.
> >>
> >> We still maintain a local patch to our source tree which does just
> >> this because, as you've mentioned, we don't want the pain so its
> >> easier to just run everything as 4k.
> >
> > Another downside is 1/4th of uberblocks, 32 vs 128. Also, automatic
> > sector size detection works great for me and I've never had a need
> > to manually tweak ashift.
> >
> It works great until you start replacing older disks with new, larger 
> ones and find out that the new ones are 4k where the old ones were not.....

Is there any way (short of building a new pool) to get a reasonable idea
of how much extra space a given pool would use if converted?

Ben


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On 11.09.2014 08:47, John Marshall wrote:
> I cannot find any kernel device configuration statements for drm2 or KM=
S
> (e.g. i915kms) drivers in any of the NOTES files in 10-STABLE.
> Presumably configurtation statements for these ought to be available fo=
r
> use in kernel configuration files for 10.1-RELEASE?

Currently, building DRM drivers into the kernel isn't supported. I guess
it's mostly a lack of time and demand.

Please file a PR about this so that I keep that in mind. If you have
some time and can prepare a patch, that would help too :)

> At present, the only way I have found to pick them up (short of hacking=

> sys/conf/files or building all modules) is by specifying the module in
> make.conf and then adding the load_ directive to loader.conf.

You can also use the following line in your rc.conf:
kld_list=3D"i915kms"

The GPU will be initialized a bit later compared to load_i915kms=3D"yes",=

but the kernel will be loaded faster.

Thank you!

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Quoth Adam McDougall <mcdouga9@egr.msu.edu>:
> 
> Were you running a newer kernel with an older format zpool?  I heard
> ixsystems had customers doing that and ran into corruption when they
> tried to modify the zpool in some way (expand? I don't remember).
> http://www.bsdnow.tv/episodes/2014_07_09-zfs_war_stories

Oh! Might this be what's causing a problem I've been meaning to ask
about?

My desktop at home is running (a patched, but not anywhere to do with
ZFS) 10-STABLE from a while ago, with a zpool that was created under
8.2-R and is still at version 15. I have been deliberately not upgrading
it, because I saw no reason to and it seemed safer to leave things as
they were.

Recently, though, my dump script has started having occasional problems
with snapshots that won't delete. Pending further investigation I have
been renaming them to allow the recursive delete to succeed, and (so
far) rebooting has always made it possible to get rid of them. 

/home/mauzo% sudo zfs destroy zroot/DATA/R@broken-dump-20140906
cannot destroy snapshot zroot/DATA/R@broken-dump-20140906: dataset is busy
/home/mauzo% mount | grep @
/home/mauzo% zfs list -o name,origin | grep broken-dump
/home/mauzo% zfs list -o name,userrefs zroot/DATA/R@broken-dump-20140906
NAME                               USERREFS
zroot/DATA/R@broken-dump-20140906         0
/home/mauzo% zfs holds zroot/DATA/R@broken-dump-20140906
NAME                               TAG  TIMESTAMP
/home/mauzo%

Presumably this is indicative of some sort of serious problem with
either the pool or the filesystem, and the only permanent solution is to
rebuild the whole thing? ZFS doesn't seem to have a fsck-equivalent for
the ZFS layer. I've run a scrub, and it found no problems.

I was about to upgrade the machine to the latest 10-STABLE, but I can
put that off if anyone thinks this is worth investigating. Once I reboot
I'm fairly sure the current stuck snapshots will fix themselves, and of
course I can't be sure when this will happen again.

[Also: it would be really nice to have an alias for 'zfs destroy' that
will only destroy snapshots. When running something like 'zfs destroy -r
zroot/DATA@whatever' I find I have to check at least three times that I
have definitely put that @ in the right place before pressing Return.
*Especially* when I'm doing it because I'm running a dump, and it's just
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On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:28:26AM +0200, Jean-S??bastien P??dron wrote:
> On 11.09.2014 08:47, John Marshall wrote:
> > I cannot find any kernel device configuration statements for drm2 or KMS
> > (e.g. i915kms) drivers in any of the NOTES files in 10-STABLE.
> > Presumably configurtation statements for these ought to be available for
> > use in kernel configuration files for 10.1-RELEASE?
>=20
> Currently, building DRM drivers into the kernel isn't supported. I guess
> it's mostly a lack of time and demand.
I did not added file list to the static kernel config due to display
becoming blank after the driver initialization, which is very early
for the syscons setup.  Might be, since vt is functional, this may
be reconsidered.

Driver initialization was never tested when loaded from loader, I
have no idea how i915 starts up with interrupts still disabled.

>=20
> Please file a PR about this so that I keep that in mind. If you have
> some time and can prepare a patch, that would help too :)
>=20
> > At present, the only way I have found to pick them up (short of hacking
> > sys/conf/files or building all modules) is by specifying the module in
> > make.conf and then adding the load_ directive to loader.conf.
>=20
> You can also use the following line in your rc.conf:
> kld_list=3D"i915kms"
>=20
> The GPU will be initialized a bit later compared to load_i915kms=3D"yes",
> but the kernel will be loaded faster.
>=20
> Thank you!
>=20
> --=20
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> This may never hit you, but ZFS is built on the assumption, that it
> cannot happen at all, which is no longer true with 4KB drives that
> are used with ashift=9.

Have just been reading this thread, and as people are suggesting
moving ashift from 9 to 12, doesnt using use 512B drives with
ahift=12 also violate this ? Or is it smart enough ot know that
the underlying sectors are separate ?

-pete.

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> A fix for this bug for finally committed in the ports tree (r367808).
>
> Thank you for your patience :)

Thanks, I can see it there now ;) This will therefore preseukabky
eng up in the new_xorg pkg repository automaticly in due
course then ?

-pete.

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On Thu, 11 Sep 2014, 11:46 +0300, Konstantin Belousov wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:28:26AM +0200, Jean-S??bastien P??dron wrote:
> > On 11.09.2014 08:47, John Marshall wrote:
> > > I cannot find any kernel device configuration statements for drm2 or =
KMS
> > > (e.g. i915kms) drivers in any of the NOTES files in 10-STABLE.
> > > Presumably configurtation statements for these ought to be available =
for
> > > use in kernel configuration files for 10.1-RELEASE?
> >=20
> > Currently, building DRM drivers into the kernel isn't supported. I guess
> > it's mostly a lack of time and demand.
> I did not added file list to the static kernel config due to display
> becoming blank after the driver initialization, which is very early
> for the syscons setup.  Might be, since vt is functional, this may
> be reconsidered.

That's fair enough if the drivers are deemed to be not yet
production-ready.  I am guessing that NEW_XORG will be delivered as
default for 10.1-RELEASE just like it was for 9.3-RELEASE, so lots more
desktop users (unless they explicitly disable NEW_XORG) will find
themselves using these drivers.

> Driver initialization was never tested when loaded from loader, I
> have no idea how i915 starts up with interrupts still disabled.

The console display goes blank for several seconds and then comes to
life with the smaller font and the backlog of dmesg output displayed.

Perhaps I am doing all the wrong things.  I just assumed these new
drivers were functional replacements for drm and i915drm which could be
included in a custom kernel.

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Am 11.09.2014 um 11:06 schrieb Pete French:
>> This may never hit you, but ZFS is built on the assumption, that it
>> cannot happen at all, which is no longer true with 4KB drives that
>> are used with ashift=9.
> 
> Have just been reading this thread, and as people are suggesting
> moving ashift from 9 to 12, doesnt using use 512B drives with
> ahift=12 also violate this ? Or is it smart enough ot know that
> the underlying sectors are separate ?

There is no problem, if ashift covers more than 1 sector, except
that you waste some space.  If ashift=12 is used with 512 byte
sectors, then all writes will be to 8 consecutive sectors.  There
is no read-modify-write as in the opposite case (ashift=9 with 4K
sectors).

But the amount of wasted space can be quite substantial.  I have
read reports of some 8% less usable space with ashift=12 compared
to ashift=9, for an empty ZFS file system.  And with lots of small
files, this will become worse, once the file system is filled.

With RAIDZ, the effective allocation unit is not the minimum size
block (as determined by ashift), but that value multiplied by the
number of data drives without parity (e.g. 2*512 / 2*4K for a 3
drive raidz1, 4*512 / 4*4K for a 5 drive raidz1).  This leads to
an effective smallest allocation unit of 16 KByte on a 5 drive
raidz1 with ashift=12, vs. 2 KByte with ashift=9.

Regards, STefan

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> There is no problem, if ashift covers more than 1 sector, except
> that you waste some space.  If ashift=12 is used with 512 byte
> sectors, then all writes will be to 8 consecutive sectors.  There
> is no read-modify-write as in the opposite case (ashift=9 with 4K
> sectors).

But what if one of those 8 writes fails ? ZFS understands that
part of a write can fail then ? or does it think of it as 8 separate
writes ?

> But the amount of wasted space can be quite substantial.  I have
> read reports of some 8% less usable space with ashift=12 compared
> to ashift=9, for an empty ZFS file system.  And with lots of small
> files, this will become worse, once the file system is filled.

Yes, I have migrated a lot of filesystems over to 4k, and there is quite
a lot of extra space taken up by the same amount of data - even wth
lz4 compression enabled, which I do on most systems. However the extra
performance is well worth it.

Only reason I am asking is that I am thinking of migrating a zpool
which only has one 4k drive in it, plsy 3 512byte ones. Just want to make
sure that it is not a bad idea to do this.

-pete.

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On 11.09.2014 10:46, Konstantin Belousov wrote:
> I did not added file list to the static kernel config due to display
> becoming blank after the driver initialization, which is very early
> for the syscons setup.

You're right, I totally forgot the problem with syscons... That makes
perfect sense :)

> Driver initialization was never tested when loaded from loader, I
> have no idea how i915 starts up with interrupts still disabled.

After the addition of vt(4), several users started to load i915kms and
radeonkms from the loader and this works for them.

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Yes, it'll be part of the next build, next Wednesday.

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On 9/11/2014 4:06 AM, Pete French wrote:
>> This may never hit you, but ZFS is built on the assumption, that it
>> cannot happen at all, which is no longer true with 4KB drives that
>> are used with ashift=3D9.
> Have just been reading this thread, and as people are suggesting
> moving ashift from 9 to 12, doesnt using use 512B drives with
> ahift=3D12 also violate this ? Or is it smart enough ot know that
> the underlying sectors are separate ?
>

No, because in order for the "write" (as ZFS sees it) to succeed all of=20
them must succeed.

The problem comes when the *drive* (or controller) does a=20
read-replace-write, because ZFS is unaware of the underlying act and=20
"silent" corruption can thus (at least theoretically) happen.

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>> to cleanup the env variable with proper quoting,
>
> You say that as if it's a bad thing!


Well, no, it's not a bad thing.  What is a bad thing is unexplained sudden
changes in system behavior.  In this case the inability to use parallelized
makes for buildworld and kernels (I used to use -j8, now no parallelization
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Good morning,

Just looking for some clarification around the proper use of CARP on
interfaces with multiple IPs.

I've been using the new CARP on FreeBSD 10.0 with great success on a pair
of systems with lots of vlans across 3 physical NIC ports.  However, those
systems only have a single IP per vlan.  The ifconfig lines are very
simple, and everything just works the way I expect it to, failing back and
forth between the two systems as needed.

I'm now trying to get CARP working on a second pair of systems, and running
into issues with one of the physical interfaces.  I think I might be doing
the ifconfig commands wrong, but the ifconfig(8) and carp(4) man pages
aren't very clear on this usage.

Are all of the carp-related parameters required for every IP alias added to
an interface?  Or are the pass/advbase/advskew only needed once per
interface, and you just pass the vhid to each IP alias?

Currently, I'm doing the former and having issues with both boxes claiming
to be master for that one interface.

Which is correct:

ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.4/24 vhid 30 pass mypass
ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.5/32 vhid 30 pass mypass alias
ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.6/32 vhid 30 pass mypass alias
ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.7/32 vhid 30 pass mypass alias
ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.8/32 vhid 30 pass mypass alias

OR

ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.4/24 vhid 30 pass mypass
ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.5/32 vhid 30 alias
ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.6/32 vhid 30 alias
ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.7/32 vhid 30 alias
ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.8/32 vhid 30 alias

Neither the ifconfig nor the carp man pages show examples with multiple IPs
configured within the same vhid.

-- 
Freddie Cash
fjwcash@gmail.com

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Freddie Cash" <fjwcash@gmail.com>
To: "FreeBSD Stable" <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 4:15 PM
Subject: Using CARP with multiple IP aliases (FBSD 10.0)


> Good morning,
> 
> Just looking for some clarification around the proper use of CARP on
> interfaces with multiple IPs.
> 
> I've been using the new CARP on FreeBSD 10.0 with great success on a pair
> of systems with lots of vlans across 3 physical NIC ports.  However, those
> systems only have a single IP per vlan.  The ifconfig lines are very
> simple, and everything just works the way I expect it to, failing back and
> forth between the two systems as needed.
> 
> I'm now trying to get CARP working on a second pair of systems, and running
> into issues with one of the physical interfaces.  I think I might be doing
> the ifconfig commands wrong, but the ifconfig(8) and carp(4) man pages
> aren't very clear on this usage.
> 
> Are all of the carp-related parameters required for every IP alias added to
> an interface?  Or are the pass/advbase/advskew only needed once per
> interface, and you just pass the vhid to each IP alias?
> 
> Currently, I'm doing the former and having issues with both boxes claiming
> to be master for that one interface.
> 
> Which is correct:
> 
> ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.4/24 vhid 30 pass mypass
> ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.5/32 vhid 30 pass mypass alias
> ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.6/32 vhid 30 pass mypass alias
> ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.7/32 vhid 30 pass mypass alias
> ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.8/32 vhid 30 pass mypass alias
> 
> OR
> 
> ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.4/24 vhid 30 pass mypass
> ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.5/32 vhid 30 alias
> ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.6/32 vhid 30 alias
> ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.7/32 vhid 30 alias
> ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.8/32 vhid 30 alias
> 
> Neither the ifconfig nor the carp man pages show examples with multiple IPs
> configured within the same vhid.

I believe you need a seperate vhid per IP assuming you want each to fail over
to another machine when it goes down e.g.
ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.4/24 vhid 30 pass mypass
ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.5/32 vhid 31 pass mypass alias
ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.6/32 vhid 32 pass mypass alias
ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.7/32 vhid 33 pass mypass alias 
ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.8/32 vhid 34 pass mypass alias

    Regards
    Steve

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On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Steven Hartland <killing@multiplay.co.uk>
wrote:

>
> I believe you need a seperate vhid per IP assuming you want each to fail
> over
> to another machine when it goes down e.g.
> ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.4/24 vhid 30 pass mypass
> ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.5/32 vhid 31 pass mypass alias
> ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.6/32 vhid 32 pass mypass alias
> ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.7/32 vhid 33 pass mypass alias

ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.8/32 vhid 34 pass mypass alias
>

=E2=80=8BThat's what I'm trying to avoid.  :)  And everything appears to ge=
t added
to the interf=E2=80=8B
ace correctly:

[fcash@myhost  ~]$ ifconfig igb0
igb0: flags=3D8943<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,PROMISC,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0
mtu 1500
options=3Dbb<RXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU,VLAN_HWTAGGING,JUMBO_MTU,VLAN_HWCSUM>
ether a0:36:9f:34:90:f7
inet x.y.z.130 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.130 vhid 30
inet6 fe80::a236:9fff:fe45:80e8%igb0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2
inet x.y.z.251 netmask 0xffffff80 broadcast x.y.z.255
inet x.y.z.134 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.134 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.175 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.175 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.131 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.131 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.132 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.132 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.133 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.133 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.135 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.135 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.136 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.136 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.137 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.137 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.138 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.138 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.140 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.140 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.223 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.223 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.141 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.141 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.142 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.142 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.144 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.144 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.145 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.145 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.146 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.146 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.150 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.150 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.154 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.154 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.159 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.159 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.160 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.160 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.161 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.161 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.162 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.162 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.163 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.163 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.164 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.164 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.165 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.165 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.166 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.166 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.169 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.169 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.171 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.171 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.172 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.172 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.177 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.177 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.178 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.178 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.179 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.179 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.181 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.181 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.188 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.188 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.189 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.189 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.190 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.190 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.191 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.191 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.192 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.192 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.193 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.193 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.194 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.194 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.195 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.195 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.196 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.196 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.197 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.197 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.198 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.198 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.199 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.199 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.200 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.200 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.201 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.201 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.202 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.202 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.222 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.222 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.204 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.204 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.207 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.207 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.208 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.208 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.209 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.209 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.210 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.210 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.215 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.215 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.212 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.212 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.213 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.213 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.205 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.205 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.206 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.206 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.211 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.211 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.214 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.214 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.216 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.216 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.217 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.217 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.219 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.219 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.220 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.220 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.227 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.227 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.228 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.228 vhid 30
inet x.y.z.182 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast x.y.z.182 vhid 30
nd6 options=3D29<PERFORMNUD,IFDISABLED,AUTO_LINKLOCAL>
media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT <full-duplex>)
status: active
carp: MASTER vhid 30 advbase 1 advskew 1=E2=80=8B
=E2=80=8B

=E2=80=8BAnd the documentation I read a long time ago hinted that the above=
 is a
valid configuration.

I'm just not sure if I'm adding the IPs to the vhid correctly.  Are all the
parameters needed on every ifconfig invocation, or only the first one?  Are
the pass/advskew set per vhid, or per IP?

If I need to use a separate vhid per IP I can.  Just need confirmation that
that is how it works.  :)=E2=80=8B

--=20
Freddie Cash
fjwcash@gmail.com

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Subject: Re: Using CARP with multiple IP aliases (FBSD 10.0)


> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Steven Hartland <killing@multiplay.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I believe you need a seperate vhid per IP assuming you want each to fail
>> over
>> to another machine when it goes down e.g.
>> ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.4/24 vhid 30 pass mypass
>> ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.5/32 vhid 31 pass mypass alias
>> ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.6/32 vhid 32 pass mypass alias
>> ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.7/32 vhid 33 pass mypass alias
>
> ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.8/32 vhid 34 pass mypass alias
>>
>
> ​That's what I'm trying to avoid.  :)  And everything appears to get added
> to the interf> 
> ace correctly:

I can't say I've used it in that way and I'm not sure how carp decides how
to fail over when it has multiple IP's available.

I can confirm you don't need all the params when adding an IP to vhid.
so you can for example configure the vhid and then add the IP's or do
as you have done and configure it on the first IP.

Best thing to do is try it and see.

    Regards
    Steve 


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On Sep 11, 2014, at 8:32 AM, Karl Denninger wrote:

It works great until you start replacing older disks with new, larger ones and find out that the new ones are 4k where the old ones were not.....

Yes, I agree. The problem is, it can become a time bomb especially for small, modest installations. You build a small server (and maybe you don't have the resources for a full migration readily available) and, one day, two years in the future, one of the disks breaks. You buy a new one, replace, and your performance gets worse.

Or, anyway, the timebombs are already in place. As far as I know most new disks sold nowadays are "advanced format".





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> I recreated the pool on the second disk as another single disk pool, performed
> zfs send -R … | zfs receive -F …
>
> It works now just fine with the kernel that didn’t work with old pool so there must
> have been something seriously broken with the old pool. I also noticed the old pool
> kept repeatedly restarting the resilver operations when I tried to expand it into a mirror.
>
> Case closed for now.

Thanks for that Kimmo.

For reference I've also tested booting mirrors, including with each disk of the mirror
removed and all works as expected.

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On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Steven Hartland <killing@multiplay.co.uk>
wrote:

> I can't say I've used it in that way and I'm not sure how carp decides ho=
w
> to fail over when it has multiple IP's available.
>

=E2=80=8BI'm hoping, and my testing appears to corroborate, that it fails b=
ased on
the interface state, and all IPs transfer over at once (CARP systctl set to
fail everything at once if any one interface state changes).=E2=80=8B


> I can confirm you don't need all the params when adding an IP to vhid.
> so you can for example configure the vhid and then add the IP's or do
> as you have done and configure it on the first IP.
>

=E2=80=8BThat's good to hear.  Will simplify things a bit.=E2=80=8B


> Best thing to do is try it and see.
>

=E2=80=8BThat's scheduled for tomorrow morning.  :)  I'll try it first with=
 only
setting pass/advskew on the vhid once, and just adding the alias IPs to the
vhid.  If that doesn't fix things, then I'll try with a separate vhid per
IP.


The reason I was asking about this is that I have a pair of systems in
place now (sys1 and sys2, with sys1 configured with advskew 1 to make it
always master) where everything works wonderfully for between 5 and 15
minutes.

If I down an interface on sys1, or physically remove a cable from sys1,
everything fails over to sys2 and traffic continues normally.=E2=80=8B

=E2=80=8B  If I bring the interface back up on sys1, then everything fails =
back
over to sys1 and traffic continues.

After 5-15 minutes, though, igb0 on both boxes switches to master state.
 :(  igb1, igb2, and igb3 on sys2 all stay in backup state.  And then
traffic slows to a crawl as the upstream switch gets confused and sends
packets=E2=80=8B randomly between the two hosts.

Manually changing state to backup on igb0 on sys2 fixes things for about 3
seconds, and then it switches back to master.

Once this happens, tcpdump on both systems only shows VRRPv2 packets from
sys1, nothing from sys2.=E2=80=8B  I have to reboot sys2 in order to get th=
ings
working again.

As I said, this is the first time I've used CARP with multiple shared IPs
on an interface (NAT firewall), so I may be doing things "wrong" or
non-optimally.  :)


--=20
Freddie Cash
fjwcash@gmail.com

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On Thursday, September 11, 2014 05:34:57 PM Steven Hartland wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Freddie Cash" <fjwcash@gmail.com>
> To: "Steven Hartland" <killing@multiplay.co.uk>
> Cc: "FreeBSD Stable" <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Using CARP with multiple IP aliases (FBSD 10.0)
>=20
> > On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Steven Hartland <killing@multiplay=
.co.uk>
> >=20
> > wrote:
> >> I believe you need a seperate vhid per IP assuming you want each t=
o fail
> >> over
> >> to another machine when it goes down e.g.
> >> ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.4/24 vhid 30 pass mypass
> >> ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.5/32 vhid 31 pass mypass alias
> >> ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.6/32 vhid 32 pass mypass alias
> >> ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.7/32 vhid 33 pass mypass alias
> >=20
> > ifconfig igb0 inet 1.2.3.8/32 vhid 34 pass mypass alias
> >=20
> >=20
> > =E2=80=8BThat's what I'm trying to avoid.  :)  And everything appea=
rs to get added
> > to the interf>
>=20
> > ace correctly:
> I can't say I've used it in that way and I'm not sure how carp decide=
s how
> to fail over when it has multiple IP's available.
>=20
> I can confirm you don't need all the params when adding an IP to vhid=
.
> so you can for example configure the vhid and then add the IP's or do=

> as you have done and configure it on the first IP.


This is the method we use extensively in the freebsd.org cluster.  eg: =
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* One vhid presence, with multiple aliases on the same vhid.
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carp state checking uses link local addresses to communicate.

Having multiple IP's per vhid means they change master->backup state as=
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On Thursday, September 11, 2014 09:24:41 AM Andriy Gapon wrote:
> On 11/09/2014 04:22, Steven Hartland wrote:
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aristedes Maniatis" <ari@ish.co=
m.au>
> >=20
> >> Should the FreeBSD project change this minimum in the next release=
?
> >> There seems to be no downside and a huge amount of pain for people=

> >> who stumble along with the defaults not knowing what a mess they a=
re
> >> creating to solve later.
> >=20
> > The downside is wasted space which can be significant and hence whe=
n
> > I last suggested just this it was unfortunately rejected.
> >=20
> > We still maintain a local patch to our source tree which does just
> > this because, as you've mentioned, we don't want the pain so its
> > easier to just run everything as 4k.
>=20
> Another downside is 1/4th of uberblocks, 32 vs 128.
> Also, automatic sector size detection works great for me and I've nev=
er had
> a need to manually tweak ashift.

Unfortunately, I have.  Same drive connected two different ways:

da12 at mps1 bus 0 scbus1 target 11 lun 0
da12: <ATA ST4000VN000-1H41 SC43> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-6 device=20
da12: 600.000MB/s transfers
da12: Command Queueing enabled
da12: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 486401C)

ada1 at ahcich1 bus 0 scbus3 target 0 lun 0
ada1: <ATA ST4000VN000-1H41 SC43> ATA-8 SATA 3.x device
ada1: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes)
ada1: Command Queueing enabled
ada1: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors:  16H 63S/T 16383C)
ada1: quirks=3D0x1<4K>

The 4k flag is missing when it's on the sas controller.  The Ident stri=
ngs are=20
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This came up elsewhere recently.

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On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Peter Wemm <peter@wemm.org> wrote:

> This is the method we use extensively in the freebsd.org cluster.  eg: th=
e
> routers have public IP addresses, private RFC1918, IPv6 etc addresses, al=
l
> on
> the same vhid for each interface.
>
> * One vhid presence, with multiple aliases on the same vhid.
> * Configure vhid params once, aliases attached without params.
>
> carp state checking uses link local addresses to communicate.
>
> Having multiple IP's per vhid means they change master->backup state as a
> group, not individually and that's what we wanted for things like router
> default gateways.
>

=E2=80=8BExcellent.  Thanks for the confirmation.

=E2=80=8BI'll be testing the updated configuration tomorrow morning (set al=
l vhid
params in rc.conf.local, and only set vhid number in firewall scripts when
adding IPs).


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> After the addition of vt(4), several users started to load i915kms and
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I didn't realise it was possible to load radeonkms after boot.
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On 11-9-2014 19:49, Peter Wemm wrote:
>> Another downside is 1/4th of uberblocks, 32 vs 128.
>> Also, automatic sector size detection works great for me and I've never had
>> a need to manually tweak ashift.
> 
> Unfortunately, I have.  Same drive connected two different ways:
> 
> da12 at mps1 bus 0 scbus1 target 11 lun 0
> da12: <ATA ST4000VN000-1H41 SC43> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-6 device 
> da12: 600.000MB/s transfers
> da12: Command Queueing enabled
> da12: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 486401C)
> 
> ada1 at ahcich1 bus 0 scbus3 target 0 lun 0
> ada1: <ATA ST4000VN000-1H41 SC43> ATA-8 SATA 3.x device
> ada1: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes)
> ada1: Command Queueing enabled
> ada1: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors:  16H 63S/T 16383C)
> ada1: quirks=0x1<4K>
> 
> The 4k flag is missing when it's on the sas controller.  The Ident strings are 
> changed.
> 
> This came up elsewhere recently.

I reported the same fact for the new set of WD REDs I installed.
Seems that ada and da have different quirks tables...
So disks on SATA connectors on the motherboard are diagnosed as being 4Kb.
The disks on my twa don't get the quirk and are considered 512b

--WjW



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On 11/09/2014 16:42, Ben Morrow wrote:
> Quoth Adam McDougall <mcdouga9@egr.msu.edu>:
>>
>> Were you running a newer kernel with an older format zpool?  I heard
>> ixsystems had customers doing that and ran into corruption when they
>> tried to modify the zpool in some way (expand? I don't remember).
>> http://www.bsdnow.tv/episodes/2014_07_09-zfs_war_stories
> 
> Oh! Might this be what's causing a problem I've been meaning to ask
> about?
> 
> My desktop at home is running (a patched, but not anywhere to do with
> ZFS) 10-STABLE from a while ago, with a zpool that was created under
> 8.2-R and is still at version 15. I have been deliberately not upgrading
> it, because I saw no reason to and it seemed safer to leave things as
> they were.
> 
> Recently, though, my dump script has started having occasional problems
> with snapshots that won't delete. Pending further investigation I have
> been renaming them to allow the recursive delete to succeed, and (so
> far) rebooting has always made it possible to get rid of them. 

I have seen that issue with 9.2 and at least one other person mentioned
it as well. I currently have a snapshot that I accessed at least 3 weeks
ago and renamed to keep rotations working and have not accessed since,
it still won't delete as it is busy. I can only delete these snapshots
after a reboot.

The only cause I know is accessing the snapshot.
I can simply ls .zfs/snapshot/daily.01/somefolder to prevent it being
deleted. With a manual zfs destroy I get "dataset is busy" and have not
found a way to find any process that has hold of it.

It seems that some aging of the snapshot needs to happen. Testing a
rotate, access, rotate keeps working ok, but access last nights
snapshot and then rotate and it blocks.

I'm fairly sure that I was running 9.1 when I created this zpool and
then later upgraded to 9.2. zpool upgrade says "This system supports
ZFS pool feature flags" and "Pool 'zrpleader' already has all supported
features enabled".

-- 
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Shane Ambler


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On 12/09/2014 08:12, Shane Ambler wrote:
> On 11/09/2014 16:42, Ben Morrow wrote:
>> Quoth Adam McDougall <mcdouga9@egr.msu.edu>:
>>>
>>> Were you running a newer kernel with an older format zpool?  I heard
>>> ixsystems had customers doing that and ran into corruption when they
>>> tried to modify the zpool in some way (expand? I don't remember).
>>> http://www.bsdnow.tv/episodes/2014_07_09-zfs_war_stories
>>
>> Oh! Might this be what's causing a problem I've been meaning to ask
>> about?
>>
>> My desktop at home is running (a patched, but not anywhere to do with
>> ZFS) 10-STABLE from a while ago, with a zpool that was created under
>> 8.2-R and is still at version 15. I have been deliberately not upgrading
>> it, because I saw no reason to and it seemed safer to leave things as
>> they were.
>>
>> Recently, though, my dump script has started having occasional problems
>> with snapshots that won't delete. Pending further investigation I have
>> been renaming them to allow the recursive delete to succeed, and (so
>> far) rebooting has always made it possible to get rid of them. 
> 
> I have seen that issue with 9.2 and at least one other person mentioned
> it as well. I currently have a snapshot that I accessed at least 3 weeks
> ago and renamed to keep rotations working and have not accessed since,
> it still won't delete as it is busy. I can only delete these snapshots
> after a reboot.
> 
> The only cause I know is accessing the snapshot.
> I can simply ls .zfs/snapshot/daily.01/somefolder to prevent it being
> deleted. With a manual zfs destroy I get "dataset is busy" and have not
> found a way to find any process that has hold of it.

Look for it in `mount` output.

> It seems that some aging of the snapshot needs to happen. Testing a
> rotate, access, rotate keeps working ok, but access last nights
> snapshot and then rotate and it blocks.
> 
> I'm fairly sure that I was running 9.1 when I created this zpool and
> then later upgraded to 9.2. zpool upgrade says "This system supports
> ZFS pool feature flags" and "Pool 'zrpleader' already has all supported
> features enabled".
> 


-- 
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On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:12 AM, Shane Ambler <FreeBSD@shaneware.biz>
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> On 11/09/2014 16:42, Ben Morrow wrote:
> > Quoth Adam McDougall <mcdouga9@egr.msu.edu>:
> >>
> >> Were you running a newer kernel with an older format zpool?  I heard
> >> ixsystems had customers doing that and ran into corruption when they
> >> tried to modify the zpool in some way (expand? I don't remember).
> >> http://www.bsdnow.tv/episodes/2014_07_09-zfs_war_stories
> >
> > Oh! Might this be what's causing a problem I've been meaning to ask
> > about?
> >
> > My desktop at home is running (a patched, but not anywhere to do with
> > ZFS) 10-STABLE from a while ago, with a zpool that was created under
> > 8.2-R and is still at version 15. I have been deliberately not upgrading
> > it, because I saw no reason to and it seemed safer to leave things as
> > they were.
> >
> > Recently, though, my dump script has started having occasional problems
> > with snapshots that won't delete. Pending further investigation I have
> > been renaming them to allow the recursive delete to succeed, and (so
> > far) rebooting has always made it possible to get rid of them.
>
> I have seen that issue with 9.2 and at least one other person mentioned
> it as well. I currently have a snapshot that I accessed at least 3 weeks
> ago and renamed to keep rotations working and have not accessed since,
> it still won't delete as it is busy. I can only delete these snapshots
> after a reboot.
>
> The only cause I know is accessing the snapshot.
> I can simply ls .zfs/snapshot/daily.01/somefolder to prevent it being
> deleted. With a manual zfs destroy I get "dataset is busy" and have not
> found a way to find any process that has hold of it.


What exactly have you tried and what were the results?


-- 
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Willem Jan Withagen" <wjw@digiware.nl>


> On 11-9-2014 19:49, Peter Wemm wrote:
>>> Another downside is 1/4th of uberblocks, 32 vs 128.
>>> Also, automatic sector size detection works great for me and I've never had
>>> a need to manually tweak ashift.
>> 
>> Unfortunately, I have.  Same drive connected two different ways:
>> 
>> da12 at mps1 bus 0 scbus1 target 11 lun 0
>> da12: <ATA ST4000VN000-1H41 SC43> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-6 device 
>> da12: 600.000MB/s transfers
>> da12: Command Queueing enabled
>> da12: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 486401C)
>> 
>> ada1 at ahcich1 bus 0 scbus3 target 0 lun 0
>> ada1: <ATA ST4000VN000-1H41 SC43> ATA-8 SATA 3.x device
>> ada1: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes)
>> ada1: Command Queueing enabled
>> ada1: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors:  16H 63S/T 16383C)
>> ada1: quirks=0x1<4K>
>> 
>> The 4k flag is missing when it's on the sas controller.  The Ident strings are 
>> changed.
>> 
>> This came up elsewhere recently.
> 
> I reported the same fact for the new set of WD REDs I installed.
> Seems that ada and da have different quirks tables...
> So disks on SATA connectors on the motherboard are diagnosed as being 4Kb.
> The disks on my twa don't get the quirk and are considered 512b

LMK the ident strings and I'll look to update the quirks tables.

    Regards
    Steve

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Subject: Re: Snapshots that won't delete [was: Re: ZFS on root booting...]
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Is there a hold on the snapshot?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shane Ambler" <FreeBSD@ShaneWare.Biz>


> On 11/09/2014 16:42, Ben Morrow wrote:
>> Quoth Adam McDougall <mcdouga9@egr.msu.edu>:
>>>
>>> Were you running a newer kernel with an older format zpool?  I heard
>>> ixsystems had customers doing that and ran into corruption when they
>>> tried to modify the zpool in some way (expand? I don't remember).
>>> http://www.bsdnow.tv/episodes/2014_07_09-zfs_war_stories
>> 
>> Oh! Might this be what's causing a problem I've been meaning to ask
>> about?
>> 
>> My desktop at home is running (a patched, but not anywhere to do with
>> ZFS) 10-STABLE from a while ago, with a zpool that was created under
>> 8.2-R and is still at version 15. I have been deliberately not upgrading
>> it, because I saw no reason to and it seemed safer to leave things as
>> they were.
>> 
>> Recently, though, my dump script has started having occasional problems
>> with snapshots that won't delete. Pending further investigation I have
>> been renaming them to allow the recursive delete to succeed, and (so
>> far) rebooting has always made it possible to get rid of them. 
> 
> I have seen that issue with 9.2 and at least one other person mentioned
> it as well. I currently have a snapshot that I accessed at least 3 weeks
> ago and renamed to keep rotations working and have not accessed since,
> it still won't delete as it is busy. I can only delete these snapshots
> after a reboot.
> 
> The only cause I know is accessing the snapshot.
> I can simply ls .zfs/snapshot/daily.01/somefolder to prevent it being
> deleted. With a manual zfs destroy I get "dataset is busy" and have not
> found a way to find any process that has hold of it.
> 
> It seems that some aging of the snapshot needs to happen. Testing a
> rotate, access, rotate keeps working ok, but access last nights
> snapshot and then rotate and it blocks.
> 
> I'm fairly sure that I was running 9.1 when I created this zpool and
> then later upgraded to 9.2. zpool upgrade says "This system supports
> ZFS pool feature flags" and "Pool 'zrpleader' already has all supported
> features enabled".
> 
> -- 
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> 
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On 12-9-2014 10:17, Steven Hartland wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willem Jan Withagen" <wjw@digiware.nl>
> 
> 
>> On 11-9-2014 19:49, Peter Wemm wrote:
>>>> Another downside is 1/4th of uberblocks, 32 vs 128.
>>>> Also, automatic sector size detection works great for me and I've
>>>> never had
>>>> a need to manually tweak ashift.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, I have.  Same drive connected two different ways:
>>>
>>> da12 at mps1 bus 0 scbus1 target 11 lun 0
>>> da12: <ATA ST4000VN000-1H41 SC43> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-6 device
>>> da12: 600.000MB/s transfers
>>> da12: Command Queueing enabled
>>> da12: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 486401C)
>>>
>>> ada1 at ahcich1 bus 0 scbus3 target 0 lun 0
>>> ada1: <ATA ST4000VN000-1H41 SC43> ATA-8 SATA 3.x device
>>> ada1: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes)
>>> ada1: Command Queueing enabled
>>> ada1: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors:  16H 63S/T 16383C)
>>> ada1: quirks=0x1<4K>
>>>
>>> The 4k flag is missing when it's on the sas controller.  The Ident
>>> strings are changed.
>>>
>>> This came up elsewhere recently.
>>
>> I reported the same fact for the new set of WD REDs I installed.
>> Seems that ada and da have different quirks tables...
>> So disks on SATA connectors on the motherboard are diagnosed as being
>> 4Kb.
>> The disks on my twa don't get the quirk and are considered 512b
> 
> LMK the ident strings and I'll look to update the quirks tables.

Hi Steven,

Well actually IMHO the quirk tables should be "joined".
Because it is nowadays very simple to get a sata device on a scsi-device
(da??) be it USB, or a controller that make the world look like
/dev/da?? Like the twa I have.
I guess the other way scis devices turning up under ATA would not be common.

That said, it will not be so simple, otherwise somebody(tm) would have
done so already?

the WD RED under ata:
ada4 at ahcich10 bus 0 scbus11 target 0 lun 0
ada4: <WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0 80.00A80> ATA-9 SATA 3.x device
ada4: Serial Number WD-WMC1T4089783
ada4: 300.000MB/s transfers (SATA 2.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes)
ada4: Command Queueing enabled
ada4: 2861588MB (5860533168 512 byte sectors: 16H 63S/T 16383C)
ada4: quirks=0x1<4K>

under twa
da0 at arcmsr0 bus 0 scbus8 target 0 lun 0
da0: <WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0 R001> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-5 device
da0: Serial Number WD-WMC1T4081674
da0: 250.000MB/s transfers (125.000MHz, offset 32, 16bit)
da0: Command Queueing enabled
da0: 2861588MB (5860533168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 364801C)
da0: Delete methods: <NONE(*)>

--WjW


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----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: Re: getting to 4K disk blocks in ZFS


> On 12-9-2014 10:17, Steven Hartland wrote:
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willem Jan Withagen" <wjw@digiware.nl>
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11-9-2014 19:49, Peter Wemm wrote:
>>>>> Another downside is 1/4th of uberblocks, 32 vs 128.
>>>>> Also, automatic sector size detection works great for me and I've
>>>>> never had
>>>>> a need to manually tweak ashift.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, I have.  Same drive connected two different ways:
>>>>
>>>> da12 at mps1 bus 0 scbus1 target 11 lun 0
>>>> da12: <ATA ST4000VN000-1H41 SC43> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-6 device
>>>> da12: 600.000MB/s transfers
>>>> da12: Command Queueing enabled
>>>> da12: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 486401C)
>>>>
>>>> ada1 at ahcich1 bus 0 scbus3 target 0 lun 0
>>>> ada1: <ATA ST4000VN000-1H41 SC43> ATA-8 SATA 3.x device
>>>> ada1: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes)
>>>> ada1: Command Queueing enabled
>>>> ada1: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors:  16H 63S/T 16383C)
>>>> ada1: quirks=0x1<4K>
>>>>
>>>> The 4k flag is missing when it's on the sas controller.  The Ident
>>>> strings are changed.
>>>>
>>>> This came up elsewhere recently.
>>>
>>> I reported the same fact for the new set of WD REDs I installed.
>>> Seems that ada and da have different quirks tables...
>>> So disks on SATA connectors on the motherboard are diagnosed as being
>>> 4Kb.
>>> The disks on my twa don't get the quirk and are considered 512b
>> 
>> LMK the ident strings and I'll look to update the quirks tables.
> 
> Hi Steven,
> 
> Well actually IMHO the quirk tables should be "joined".
> Because it is nowadays very simple to get a sata device on a scsi-device
> (da??) be it USB, or a controller that make the world look like
> /dev/da?? Like the twa I have.
> I guess the other way scis devices turning up under ATA would not be common.

You can't unfortunately as they report differently as you've found.

> That said, it will not be so simple, otherwise somebody(tm) would have
> done so already?
> 
> the WD RED under ata:
> ada4 at ahcich10 bus 0 scbus11 target 0 lun 0
> ada4: <WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0 80.00A80> ATA-9 SATA 3.x device
> ada4: Serial Number WD-WMC1T4089783
> ada4: 300.000MB/s transfers (SATA 2.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes)
> ada4: Command Queueing enabled
> ada4: 2861588MB (5860533168 512 byte sectors: 16H 63S/T 16383C)
> ada4: quirks=0x1<4K>
> 
> under twa
> da0 at arcmsr0 bus 0 scbus8 target 0 lun 0
> da0: <WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0 R001> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-5 device
> da0: Serial Number WD-WMC1T4081674
> da0: 250.000MB/s transfers (125.000MHz, offset 32, 16bit)
> da0: Command Queueing enabled
> da0: 2861588MB (5860533168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 364801C)
> da0: Delete methods: <NONE(*)>

Looks like there are entries which should match already there:

        {
                /* WDC Caviar Green Advanced Format (4k) drives */
                { T_DIRECT, SIP_MEDIA_FIXED, "ATA", "WDC WD????RX*", "*" },
                /*quirks*/DA_Q_4K
        },
        {
                /* WDC Caviar Green Advanced Format (4k) drives */
                { T_DIRECT, SIP_MEDIA_FIXED, "WDC WD??", "??RX*", "*" },
                /*quirks*/DA_Q_4K
        },

What does camcontrol identify and camcontrol inquiry report?

    Regards
    Steve

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Hi,

in a 9.x box I installed openssl from ports to have 1.x version. Now I
upgraded to 10-STABLE, so I'd prefer use openssl from base.

first problem: changing USE_OPENSSL_PORT to #USE_OPENSSL_PORT if I
have openssl installed recompiling ports needed openssl they linked
against the ports version, not the base version. If I specify
USE_OPENSSL_BASE I can't recompile (eg nginx) because openssl port is
installed.
So, what I should do is deinstalling all dep ports, delete openssl,
then reinstalling them.
Or I should force the recompiling against base openssl.

second problem: if I wanna know which ports depend from openssl i got:

pkg info -r openssl
openssl-1.0.1_15:
        p5-Net-SSLeay-1.65
        ettercap-0.8.0_2,1
        p5-libwww-6.08
        p5-XML-TreePP-0.42
        p5-XML-FeedPP-0.43
        p5-SOAP-Lite-0.716
        p5-Net-HTTP-6.07
        p5-Apache-DBI-1.12
        p5-Net-SSLGlue-1.053
        p5-Mail-IMAPClient-3.35
        otrs-3.3.7
        dokuwiki-20140505_3
        postfix-2.11.1_4,1
        apache22-2.2.29
        php5-openssl-5.4.32
        php5-snmp-5.4.32
        p5-Crypt-SSLeay-0.72
        nginx-1.6.1_1,2

but, if I try to delete it, I got a different list, why?

 # pkg delete openssl
Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting)
Deinstallation has been requested for the following 23 packages (of 0
packages in the universe):

Installed packages to be REMOVED:
        openssl-1.0.1_15
        p5-Net-SSLeay-1.65 (depends on openssl-1.0.1_15)
        p5-libwww-6.08 (depends on openssl-1.0.1_15)
        p5-XML-TreePP-0.42 (depends on openssl-1.0.1_15)
        p5-XML-FeedPP-0.43 (depends on openssl-1.0.1_15)
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Thank you

-- 
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On 12-9-2014 10:52, Steven Hartland wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willem Jan Withagen" <wjw@digiware.nl>
> To: "Steven Hartland" <killing@multiplay.co.uk>; "Peter Wemm"
> <peter@wemm.org>; <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>
> Cc: "Andriy Gapon" <avg@freebsd.org>; "Aristedes Maniatis" <ari@ish.com.au>
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:29 AM
> Subject: Re: getting to 4K disk blocks in ZFS
> 
> 
>> On 12-9-2014 10:17, Steven Hartland wrote:
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willem Jan Withagen"
>>> <wjw@digiware.nl>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 11-9-2014 19:49, Peter Wemm wrote:
>>>>>> Another downside is 1/4th of uberblocks, 32 vs 128.
>>>>>> Also, automatic sector size detection works great for me and I've
>>>>>> never had
>>>>>> a need to manually tweak ashift.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, I have.  Same drive connected two different ways:
>>>>>
>>>>> da12 at mps1 bus 0 scbus1 target 11 lun 0
>>>>> da12: <ATA ST4000VN000-1H41 SC43> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-6 device
>>>>> da12: 600.000MB/s transfers
>>>>> da12: Command Queueing enabled
>>>>> da12: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 486401C)
>>>>>
>>>>> ada1 at ahcich1 bus 0 scbus3 target 0 lun 0
>>>>> ada1: <ATA ST4000VN000-1H41 SC43> ATA-8 SATA 3.x device
>>>>> ada1: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes)
>>>>> ada1: Command Queueing enabled
>>>>> ada1: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors:  16H 63S/T 16383C)
>>>>> ada1: quirks=0x1<4K>
>>>>>
>>>>> The 4k flag is missing when it's on the sas controller.  The Ident
>>>>> strings are changed.
>>>>>
>>>>> This came up elsewhere recently.
>>>>
>>>> I reported the same fact for the new set of WD REDs I installed.
>>>> Seems that ada and da have different quirks tables...
>>>> So disks on SATA connectors on the motherboard are diagnosed as being
>>>> 4Kb.
>>>> The disks on my twa don't get the quirk and are considered 512b
>>>
>>> LMK the ident strings and I'll look to update the quirks tables.
>>
>> Hi Steven,
>>
>> Well actually IMHO the quirk tables should be "joined".
>> Because it is nowadays very simple to get a sata device on a scsi-device
>> (da??) be it USB, or a controller that make the world look like
>> /dev/da?? Like the twa I have.
>> I guess the other way scis devices turning up under ATA would not be
>> common.
> 
> You can't unfortunately as they report differently as you've found.
> 
>> That said, it will not be so simple, otherwise somebody(tm) would have
>> done so already?
>>
>> the WD RED under ata:
>> ada4 at ahcich10 bus 0 scbus11 target 0 lun 0
>> ada4: <WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0 80.00A80> ATA-9 SATA 3.x device
>> ada4: Serial Number WD-WMC1T4089783
>> ada4: 300.000MB/s transfers (SATA 2.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes)
>> ada4: Command Queueing enabled
>> ada4: 2861588MB (5860533168 512 byte sectors: 16H 63S/T 16383C)
>> ada4: quirks=0x1<4K>
>>
>> under twa
>> da0 at arcmsr0 bus 0 scbus8 target 0 lun 0
>> da0: <WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0 R001> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-5 device
>> da0: Serial Number WD-WMC1T4081674
>> da0: 250.000MB/s transfers (125.000MHz, offset 32, 16bit)
>> da0: Command Queueing enabled
>> da0: 2861588MB (5860533168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 364801C)
>> da0: Delete methods: <NONE(*)>
> 
> Looks like there are entries which should match already there:
> 
>        {
>                /* WDC Caviar Green Advanced Format (4k) drives */
>                { T_DIRECT, SIP_MEDIA_FIXED, "ATA", "WDC WD????RX*", "*" },
>                /*quirks*/DA_Q_4K
>        },
>        {
>                /* WDC Caviar Green Advanced Format (4k) drives */
>                { T_DIRECT, SIP_MEDIA_FIXED, "WDC WD??", "??RX*", "*" },
>                /*quirks*/DA_Q_4K
>        },
> 
> What does camcontrol identify and camcontrol inquiry report?

What I understood from my previous discussion is that these entries are
specific ATA but are not tested on da-type devices.

This is on a relativly recent 9.3.

--WjW

[~wjw] root@zfs.digiware.nl# uname -a
FreeBSD zfs.digiware.nl 9.3-STABLE FreeBSD 9.3-STABLE #298 r270246M: Thu
Aug 21 12:37:58 CEST 2014
root@zfs.digiware.nl:/usr/obj/usr/srcs/src9/src/sys/ZFS  amd64

[~wjw] root@zfs.digiware.nl#  camcontrol inquiry /dev/da0
pass3: <WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0 R001> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-5 device
pass3: Serial Number WD-WMC1T4081674
pass3: 250.000MB/s transfers (125.000MHz, offset 32, 16bit), Command
Queueing Enabled

[~wjw] root@zfs.digiware.nl# camcontrol identify /dev/ada4
pass14: <WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0 80.00A80> ATA-9 SATA 3.x device
pass14: 300.000MB/s transfers (SATA 2.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes)

protocol              ATA/ATAPI-9 SATA 3.x
device model          WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0
firmware revision     80.00A80
serial number         WD-WMC1T4089783
WWN                   50014ee6ae226f02
cylinders             16383
heads                 16
sectors/track         63
sector size           logical 512, physical 4096, offset 0
LBA supported         268435455 sectors
LBA48 supported       5860533168 sectors
PIO supported         PIO4
DMA supported         WDMA2 UDMA6

Feature                      Support  Enabled   Value           Vendor
read ahead                     yes      yes
write cache                    yes      yes
flush cache                    yes      yes
overlap                        no
Tagged Command Queuing (TCQ)   no       no
Native Command Queuing (NCQ)   yes              32 tags
NCQ Queue Management           no
NCQ Streaming                  no
Receive & Send FPDMA Queued    no
SMART                          yes      yes
microcode download             yes      yes
security                       yes      no
power management               yes      yes
advanced power management      no       no
automatic acoustic management  no       no
media status notification      no       no
power-up in Standby            yes      no
write-read-verify              no       no
unload                         yes      yes
general purpose logging        yes      yes
free-fall                      no       no
Data Set Management (DSM/TRIM) no
Host Protected Area (HPA)      yes      no      5860533168/5860533168
HPA - Security                 no


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On 8/8/2014 9:00 PM, Mike Tancsa wrote:
>
> Aug  8 18:23:58 zoo kernel: em0: Watchdog timeout -- resetting
> Aug  8 18:23:58 zoo kernel: em0: Queue(0) tdh = 158, hw tdt = 118
> Aug  8 18:23:58 zoo kernel: em0: TX(0) desc avail = 31,Next TX to Clean
> = 149
> Aug  8 18:23:58 zoo kernel: em0: link state changed to DOWN
> Aug  8 18:24:02 zoo kernel: em0: link state changed to UP
> Aug  8 18:24:06 zoo kernel: newnfs server
> 192.168.x.x:/zbackup1/zoobackup: is alive again
> Aug  8 18:24:07 zoo last message repeated 19 times

FYI, I just ran into this bug on another box, with an onboard em nic, so 
I dont think its a one off hardware issue. AMD64,  FreeBSD 10.0-STABLE 
#4 r270560:
This is on an Intel MB S1200BTL ( S1200BT.86B.02.00.0035.030220120927)

Unfortunately, this is also a production box so its difficult to test. 
I am going to see if I can find a similar MB to test against.

# pciconf -lvcb em1
em1@pci0:2:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x35788086 chip=0x10d38086 rev=0x00 
hdr=0x00
     vendor     = 'Intel Corporation'
     device     = '82574L Gigabit Network Connection'
     class      = network
     subclass   = ethernet
     bar   [10] = type Memory, range 32, base 0xc2300000, size 131072, 
enabled
     bar   [18] = type I/O Port, range 32, base 0x2000, size 32, enabled
     bar   [1c] = type Memory, range 32, base 0xc2320000, size 16384, 
enabled
     cap 01[c8] = powerspec 2  supports D0 D3  current D0
     cap 05[d0] = MSI supports 1 message, 64 bit enabled with 1 message
     cap 10[e0] = PCI-Express 1 endpoint max data 128(256) link x1(x1)
                  speed 2.5(2.5) ASPM disabled(L0s/L1)
     cap 11[a0] = MSI-X supports 5 messages
                  Table in map 0x1c[0x0], PBA in map 0x1c[0x2000]
     ecap 0001[100] = AER 1 0 fatal 0 non-fatal 0 corrected
     ecap 0003[140] = Serial 1 001e67ffff4931b8

Sep 12 09:31:17 hast-a kernel: em1: Watchdog timeout -- resetting
Sep 12 09:31:17 hast-a kernel: em1: Queue(0) tdh = 174, hw tdt = 128
Sep 12 09:31:17 hast-a kernel: em1: TX(0) desc avail = 31,Next TX to 
Clean = 159
Sep 12 09:31:17 hast-a kernel: em1: link state changed to DOWN
Sep 12 09:31:17 hast-a kernel: vlan5: link state changed to DOWN
Sep 12 09:31:20 hast-a kernel: em1: link state changed to UP
Sep 12 09:31:20 hast-a kernel: vlan5: link state changed to UP

dev.em.1.%desc: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection 7.4.2
dev.em.1.%driver: em
dev.em.1.%location: slot=0 function=0 handle=\_SB_.PCI0.RP05.GBE2
dev.em.1.%pnpinfo: vendor=0x8086 device=0x10d3 subvendor=0x8086 
subdevice=0x3578 class=0x020000
dev.em.1.%parent: pci2
dev.em.1.nvm: -1
dev.em.1.debug: -1
dev.em.1.fc: 3
dev.em.1.rx_int_delay: 0
dev.em.1.tx_int_delay: 66
dev.em.1.rx_abs_int_delay: 66
dev.em.1.tx_abs_int_delay: 66
dev.em.1.itr: 488
dev.em.1.rx_processing_limit: 100
dev.em.1.eee_control: 1
dev.em.1.link_irq: 0
dev.em.1.mbuf_alloc_fail: 0
dev.em.1.cluster_alloc_fail: 0
dev.em.1.dropped: 0
dev.em.1.tx_dma_fail: 0
dev.em.1.rx_overruns: 0
dev.em.1.watchdog_timeouts: 2
dev.em.1.device_control: 1074790984
dev.em.1.rx_control: 67141634
dev.em.1.fc_high_water: 18432
dev.em.1.fc_low_water: 16932
dev.em.1.queue0.txd_head: 35
dev.em.1.queue0.txd_tail: 35
dev.em.1.queue0.tx_irq: 0
dev.em.1.queue0.no_desc_avail: 6
dev.em.1.queue0.rxd_head: 4
dev.em.1.queue0.rxd_tail: 3
dev.em.1.queue0.rx_irq: 0
dev.em.1.mac_stats.excess_coll: 0
dev.em.1.mac_stats.single_coll: 0
dev.em.1.mac_stats.multiple_coll: 0
dev.em.1.mac_stats.late_coll: 0
dev.em.1.mac_stats.collision_count: 0
dev.em.1.mac_stats.symbol_errors: 0
dev.em.1.mac_stats.sequence_errors: 0
dev.em.1.mac_stats.defer_count: 0
dev.em.1.mac_stats.missed_packets: 0
dev.em.1.mac_stats.recv_no_buff: 0
dev.em.1.mac_stats.recv_undersize: 0
dev.em.1.mac_stats.recv_fragmented: 0
dev.em.1.mac_stats.recv_oversize: 0
dev.em.1.mac_stats.recv_jabber: 0
dev.em.1.mac_stats.recv_errs: 0
dev.em.1.mac_stats.crc_errs: 0
dev.em.1.mac_stats.alignment_errs: 0
dev.em.1.mac_stats.coll_ext_errs: 0
dev.em.1.mac_stats.xon_recvd: 0
dev.em.1.mac_stats.xon_txd: 0
dev.em.1.mac_stats.xoff_recvd: 0
dev.em.1.mac_stats.xoff_txd: 0
dev.em.1.mac_stats.total_pkts_recvd: 1695862162
dev.em.1.mac_stats.good_pkts_recvd: 1695862162
dev.em.1.mac_stats.bcast_pkts_recvd: 235092
dev.em.1.mac_stats.mcast_pkts_recvd: 11373
dev.em.1.mac_stats.rx_frames_64: 167700
dev.em.1.mac_stats.rx_frames_65_127: 1640908832
dev.em.1.mac_stats.rx_frames_128_255: 53712726
dev.em.1.mac_stats.rx_frames_256_511: 26150
dev.em.1.mac_stats.rx_frames_512_1023: 69118
dev.em.1.mac_stats.rx_frames_1024_1522: 977636
dev.em.1.mac_stats.good_octets_recvd: 131684743469
dev.em.1.mac_stats.good_octets_txd: 4643270636718
dev.em.1.mac_stats.total_pkts_txd: 3220545297
dev.em.1.mac_stats.good_pkts_txd: 3220545297
dev.em.1.mac_stats.bcast_pkts_txd: 2038
dev.em.1.mac_stats.mcast_pkts_txd: 2
dev.em.1.mac_stats.tx_frames_64: 2192
dev.em.1.mac_stats.tx_frames_65_127: 57674879
dev.em.1.mac_stats.tx_frames_128_255: 66706189
dev.em.1.mac_stats.tx_frames_256_511: 4031061
dev.em.1.mac_stats.tx_frames_512_1023: 136967178
dev.em.1.mac_stats.tx_frames_1024_1522: 2955163798
dev.em.1.mac_stats.tso_txd: 250622342
dev.em.1.mac_stats.tso_ctx_fail: 0
dev.em.1.interrupts.asserts: 420159909
dev.em.1.interrupts.rx_pkt_timer: 193315
dev.em.1.interrupts.rx_abs_timer: 0
dev.em.1.interrupts.tx_pkt_timer: 9886
dev.em.1.interrupts.tx_abs_timer: 15943
dev.em.1.interrupts.tx_queue_empty: 0
dev.em.1.interrupts.tx_queue_min_thresh: 0
dev.em.1.interrupts.rx_desc_min_thresh: 0
dev.em.1.interrupts.rx_overrun: 0
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On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Freddie Cash <fjwcash@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Peter Wemm <peter@wemm.org> wrote:
>
>> This is the method we use extensively in the freebsd.org cluster.  eg:
>> the
>> routers have public IP addresses, private RFC1918, IPv6 etc addresses,
>> all on
>> the same vhid for each interface.
>>
>> * One vhid presence, with multiple aliases on the same vhid.
>> * Configure vhid params once, aliases attached without params.
>>
>> carp state checking uses link local addresses to communicate.
>>
>> Having multiple IP's per vhid means they change master->backup state as =
a
>> group, not individually and that's what we wanted for things like router
>> default gateways.
>>
>
> =E2=80=8BExcellent.  Thanks for the confirmation.
>
> =E2=80=8BI'll be testing the updated configuration tomorrow morning (set =
all vhid
> params in rc.conf.local, and only set vhid number in firewall scripts whe=
n
> adding IPs).
>
=E2=80=8B
>
=E2=80=8BEverything is working correctly now.  :)

/etc/rc.conf.local configures all the carp-related options.

And the firewall scripts now only set the vhid when adding the IP to the
interface, nothing else.

Seems I also had a typo in one of my scripts that wasn't adding one of the
IPs to the vhid on sys2, so the IP list on both systems wasn't identical,
which could also be part of the reason they were both MASTER at the same
time.=E2=80=8B

Now, igb0 on each system is showing the correct CARP status (MASTER on
sys1, BACKUP on sys2).  And, downing any of the 4 interfaces on sys1
correctly sets all interfaces on sys2 to MASTER.

Thanks for all the help, and for pointing me in the right direction.  :D

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On 9/12/2014 10:09 AM, Mike Tancsa wrote:
>
> FYI, I just ran into this bug on another box, with an onboard em nic, so
> I dont think its a one off hardware issue. AMD64,  FreeBSD 10.0-STABLE
> #4 r270560:
> This is on an Intel MB S1200BTL ( S1200BT.86B.02.00.0035.030220120927)
>
> Unfortunately, this is also a production box so its difficult to test. I
> am going to see if I can find a similar MB to test against.


I found another board I can test with. It takes a bit of random traffic 
to wedge, but I can lock up the NIC to the point where I have to down 
and up it

When the NIC is wedged, sending sysctl -w em.1.debug=1 shows


Sep 12 11:05:05 backup3 kernel: Interface is RUNNING and ACTIVE
Sep 12 11:05:05 backup3 kernel: em1: hw tdh = 414, hw tdt = 980
Sep 12 11:05:05 backup3 kernel: em1: hw rdh = 768, hw rdt = 767
Sep 12 11:05:05 backup3 kernel: em1: Tx Queue Status = 1
Sep 12 11:05:05 backup3 kernel: em1: TX descriptors avail = 449
Sep 12 11:05:05 backup3 kernel: em1: Tx Descriptors avail failure = 3
Sep 12 11:05:05 backup3 kernel: em1: RX discarded packets = 0
Sep 12 11:05:05 backup3 kernel: em1: RX Next to Check = 768
Sep 12 11:05:05 backup3 kernel: em1: RX Next to Refresh = 767

em1: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 1500
 
options=4219b<RXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU,VLAN_HWTAGGING,VLAN_HWCSUM,TSO4,WOL_MAGIC,VLAN_HWTSO>
         ether 00:15:17:ed:68:a4
         inet 1.1.1.2 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 1.1.1.255
         nd6 options=29<PERFORMNUD,IFDISABLED,AUTO_LINKLOCAL>
         media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT <full-duplex>)
         status: active

The network traffic involves sending a lot of traffic via NFS.  I found 
that if I disable TSO on the nic, it seems to fix the problem, or at 
least makes its hard to reproduce. With tso enabled, it took perhaps 
30-120 seconds for the problem to manifest.  Both on my test and 
production box, I have not run into the problem in the past 45min.

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On 9/12/2014 4:17 AM, Steven Hartland wrote:
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>> I reported the same fact for the new set of WD REDs I installed.
>> Seems that ada and da have different quirks tables...
>> So disks on SATA connectors on the motherboard are diagnosed as being
>> 4Kb.
>> The disks on my twa don't get the quirk and are considered 512b
>
> LMK the ident strings and I'll look to update the quirks tables.

How does it work for controllers like mfi ?  The disks come up as mfisyspd#

They are supposedly 4K drives (when attached to ada). If I set 
vfs.zfs.min_auto_ashift=12 will it "fix" the problem ?

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     Samsung based SSDs
Device Model:     Samsung SSD 840 PRO Series
Serial Number:    S1ANNSAF225154J
LU WWN Device Id: 5 002538 5a01d79fd
Firmware Version: DXM05B0Q
User Capacity:    128,035,676,160 bytes [128 GB]
Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
Rotation Rate:    Solid State Device
Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   ACS-2, ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 4c
SATA Version is:  SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is:    Fri Sep 12 09:17:42 2014 EDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled
  # mfiutil show drives
mfi0 Physical Drives:
  8 (  119G) JBOD <Samsung SSD 840 5B0Q serial=S1ANNSAF225154J> SATA E1:S1
  9 (  119G) JBOD <Samsung SSD 840 5B0Q serial=S1ANNSAF225153X> SATA E1:S0
10 (  119G) JBOD <Samsung SSD 840 5B0Q serial=S1ANNSAF225159P> SATA E1:S3
11 (  119G) JBOD <Samsung SSD 840 5B0Q serial=S1ANNSAF225160E> SATA E1:S2

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https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=193367

--- Comment #7 from John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> ---
Do you have core.txt.N files in /var/crash?  They will contain the kgdb
backtrace if so.

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https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=193363

--- Comment #4 from John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> ---
Ok, I guess the 9.1 kernel did not ship with debug symbols.  You can do 'nm -n
/boot/kernel.old9.1/kernel | grep c0aae' which might narrow things down some.

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> On 9/12/2014 4:17 AM, Steven Hartland wrote:
>>>
>>> I reported the same fact for the new set of WD REDs I installed.
>>> Seems that ada and da have different quirks tables...
>>> So disks on SATA connectors on the motherboard are diagnosed as being
>>> 4Kb.
>>> The disks on my twa don't get the quirk and are considered 512b
>>
>> LMK the ident strings and I'll look to update the quirks tables.
>
> How does it work for controllers like mfi ?  The disks come up as mfisyspd#
>
> They are supposedly 4K drives (when attached to ada). If I set vfs.zfs.min_auto_ashift=12 will it "fix" the problem ?
>
> === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
> Model Family:     Samsung based SSDs
> Device Model:     Samsung SSD 840 PRO Series
> Serial Number:    S1ANNSAF225154J
> LU WWN Device Id: 5 002538 5a01d79fd
> Firmware Version: DXM05B0Q
> User Capacity:    128,035,676,160 bytes [128 GB]
> Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
> Rotation Rate:    Solid State Device
> Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
> ATA Version is:   ACS-2, ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 4c
> SATA Version is:  SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
> Local Time is:    Fri Sep 12 09:17:42 2014 EDT
> SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
> SMART support is: Enabled
>  # mfiutil show drives
> mfi0 Physical Drives:
>  8 (  119G) JBOD <Samsung SSD 840 5B0Q serial=S1ANNSAF225154J> SATA E1:S1
>  9 (  119G) JBOD <Samsung SSD 840 5B0Q serial=S1ANNSAF225153X> SATA E1:S0
> 10 (  119G) JBOD <Samsung SSD 840 5B0Q serial=S1ANNSAF225159P> SATA E1:S3
> 11 (  119G) JBOD <Samsung SSD 840 5B0Q serial=S1ANNSAF225160E> SATA E1:S2

Quirks are only valid for CAM supported drivers, any RAID which don't use
CAM will bypass this. If you set min_auto_ashift=12 you will ensure that
new pools created will use a min of 4k blocks.

    Regards
    Steve 


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Mike Tansca wrote:
> On 9/12/2014 10:09 AM, Mike Tancsa wrote:
> >
> > FYI, I just ran into this bug on another box, with an onboard em
> > nic, so
> > I dont think its a one off hardware issue. AMD64,  FreeBSD
> > 10.0-STABLE
> > #4 r270560:
> > This is on an Intel MB S1200BTL (
> > S1200BT.86B.02.00.0035.030220120927)
> >
> > Unfortunately, this is also a production box so its difficult to
> > test. I
> > am going to see if I can find a similar MB to test against.
> 
> 
> I found another board I can test with. It takes a bit of random
> traffic
> to wedge, but I can lock up the NIC to the point where I have to down
> and up it
> 
> When the NIC is wedged, sending sysctl -w em.1.debug=1 shows
> 
> 
> Sep 12 11:05:05 backup3 kernel: Interface is RUNNING and ACTIVE
> Sep 12 11:05:05 backup3 kernel: em1: hw tdh = 414, hw tdt = 980
> Sep 12 11:05:05 backup3 kernel: em1: hw rdh = 768, hw rdt = 767
> Sep 12 11:05:05 backup3 kernel: em1: Tx Queue Status = 1
> Sep 12 11:05:05 backup3 kernel: em1: TX descriptors avail = 449
> Sep 12 11:05:05 backup3 kernel: em1: Tx Descriptors avail failure = 3
> Sep 12 11:05:05 backup3 kernel: em1: RX discarded packets = 0
> Sep 12 11:05:05 backup3 kernel: em1: RX Next to Check = 768
> Sep 12 11:05:05 backup3 kernel: em1: RX Next to Refresh = 767
> 
> em1: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu
> 1500
>  
> options=4219b<RXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU,VLAN_HWTAGGING,VLAN_HWCSUM,TSO4,WOL_MAGIC,VLAN_HWTSO>
>          ether 00:15:17:ed:68:a4
>          inet 1.1.1.2 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 1.1.1.255
>          nd6 options=29<PERFORMNUD,IFDISABLED,AUTO_LINKLOCAL>
>          media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT <full-duplex>)
>          status: active
> 
> The network traffic involves sending a lot of traffic via NFS.  I
> found
> that if I disable TSO on the nic, it seems to fix the problem, or at
> least makes its hard to reproduce. With tso enabled, it took perhaps
> 30-120 seconds for the problem to manifest.  Both on my test and
> production box, I have not run into the problem in the past 45min.
> 
To get NFS (which generates 35 mbuf lists for transmission) to work
with TSO enabled, you need both r264630 (which reduces the default
size of if_hw_tsomax slightly) and r268726 (which fixes the retry: case
for if_em.c). Neither of these patches (the above rNNN are for head) are
in 10.0.

So, either run with TSO disabled or reduce the rsize, wsize of all NFS
mounts to 32768 (which reduces the # of mbufs in a transmit list to 19).

rick
ps: For 10.0, 9.2 and earlier, you need to disable TSO for any network
    interface that supports less than 35 transmit fragments. (Transmit
    fragments are variously called *TXSEG*, or *SCAT* or similar in the
    .h file for the device driver.)

> 	---Mike
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On 9/12/2014 5:00 PM, Rick Macklem wrote:
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> So, either run with TSO disabled or reduce the rsize, wsize of all NFS
> mounts to 32768 (which reduces the # of mbufs in a transmit list to 19).

Thanks!  Perhaps this should be in the errata notice for 10.1 ?


root@backup3:/usr/home/mdtancsa # mount -orsize=32768,wsize=32768 
1.1.1.1:/mfitest /mnt

Testing with tso enabled.  So far so good! I am not able to wedge the NIC

	---Mike




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On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 05:13:19PM -0400, Mike Tancsa wrote:
> On 9/12/2014 5:00 PM, Rick Macklem wrote:
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> >So, either run with TSO disabled or reduce the rsize, wsize of all NFS
> >mounts to 32768 (which reduces the # of mbufs in a transmit list to 19).
>=20
> Thanks!  Perhaps this should be in the errata notice for 10.1 ?
>=20
=20
We'll add it.

Thanks.

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Glen Barber wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 05:13:19PM -0400, Mike Tancsa wrote:
> > On 9/12/2014 5:00 PM, Rick Macklem wrote:
> > >
> > >So, either run with TSO disabled or reduce the rsize, wsize of all
> > >NFS
> > >mounts to 32768 (which reduces the # of mbufs in a transmit list
> > >to 19).
> > 
> > Thanks!  Perhaps this should be in the errata notice for 10.1 ?
> > 
>  
> We'll add it.
> 
The patches are in 10.1. I thought his report said 10.0 in the message.

If Mike is running a recent stable/10 or releng/10.1, then it has been
patched for this and NFS should work with TSO enabled. If it doesn't,
then something else is broken.

rick

> Thanks.
> 
> Glen
> 
> 

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I wrote:
> The patches are in 10.1. I thought his report said 10.0 in the message.
> 
> If Mike is running a recent stable/10 or releng/10.1, then it has been
> patched for this and NFS should work with TSO enabled. If it doesn't,
> then something else is broken.
Oops, I looked and I see Mike was testing r270560 (which would have both
the patches). I don't have an explanation why TSO and 64K rsize, wsize
would cause a hang, but does appear it will exist in 10.1 unless it
gets resolved.

Mike, one difference is that, even with the patches the driver will be
copying the transmit mbuf list via m_defrag() to 32 MCLBYTE clusters
when using 64K rsize, wsize.
If you can reproduce the hang, you might want to look at how many mbuf
clusters are allocated. If you've hit the limit, then I think that
would explain it.

rick

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On 9/12/2014 7:33 PM, Rick Macklem wrote:
> I wrote:
>> The patches are in 10.1. I thought his report said 10.0 in the message.
>>
>> If Mike is running a recent stable/10 or releng/10.1, then it has been
>> patched for this and NFS should work with TSO enabled. If it doesn't,
>> then something else is broken.
> Oops, I looked and I see Mike was testing r270560 (which would have both
> the patches). I don't have an explanation why TSO and 64K rsize, wsize
> would cause a hang, but does appear it will exist in 10.1 unless it
> gets resolved.
>
> Mike, one difference is that, even with the patches the driver will be
> copying the transmit mbuf list via m_defrag() to 32 MCLBYTE clusters
> when using 64K rsize, wsize.
> If you can reproduce the hang, you might want to look at how many mbuf
> clusters are allocated. If you've hit the limit, then I think that
> would explain it.


I have been running the test for a few hrs now and no lockups of the 
nic, so doing the nfs mount with -orsize=32768,wsize=32768 certainly 
seems to work around the lockup.   How do I check the mbuf clusters ?

root@backup3:/usr/home/mdtancsa # vmstat -z | grep -i clu
mbuf_cluster:          2048, 760054,    4444,     370, 3088708,   0,   0
root@backup3:/usr/home/mdtancsa #
root@backup3:/usr/home/mdtancsa # netstat -m
3322/4028/7350 mbufs in use (current/cache/total)
2826/1988/4814/760054 mbuf clusters in use (current/cache/total/max)
2430/1618 mbuf+clusters out of packet secondary zone in use (current/cache)
0/4/4/380026 4k (page size) jumbo clusters in use (current/cache/total/max)
0/0/0/112600 9k jumbo clusters in use (current/cache/total/max)
0/0/0/63337 16k jumbo clusters in use (current/cache/total/max)
6482K/4999K/11481K bytes allocated to network (current/cache/total)
0/0/0 requests for mbufs denied (mbufs/clusters/mbuf+clusters)
0/0/0 requests for mbufs delayed (mbufs/clusters/mbuf+clusters)
0/0/0 requests for jumbo clusters delayed (4k/9k/16k)
0/0/0 requests for jumbo clusters denied (4k/9k/16k)
0 requests for sfbufs denied
0 requests for sfbufs delayed
0 requests for I/O initiated by sendfile
root@backup3:/usr/home/mdtancsa #

Interface is RUNNING and ACTIVE
em1: hw tdh = 343, hw tdt = 838
em1: hw rdh = 512, hw rdt = 511
em1: Tx Queue Status = 1
em1: TX descriptors avail = 516
em1: Tx Descriptors avail failure = 1
em1: RX discarded packets = 0
em1: RX Next to Check = 512
em1: RX Next to Refresh = 511


I just tested on the other em nic and I can wedge it as well, so its not 
limited to one particular type of em nic.


em0: Watchdog timeout -- resetting
em0: Queue(0) tdh = 349, hw tdt = 176
em0: TX(0) desc avail = 173,Next TX to Clean = 349
em0: link state changed to DOWN
em0: link state changed to UP

so it does not seem limited to just certain em nics

em0@pci0:0:25:0:        class=0x020000 card=0x34ec8086 chip=0x10ef8086 
rev=0x05 hdr=0x00
     vendor     = 'Intel Corporation'
     device     = '82578DM Gigabit Network Connection'
     class      = network
     subclass   = ethernet
     bar   [10] = type Memory, range 32, base 0xb1a00000, size 131072, 
enabled
     bar   [14] = type Memory, range 32, base 0xb1a25000, size 4096, enabled
     bar   [18] = type I/O Port, range 32, base 0x2040, size 32, enabled
     cap 01[c8] = powerspec 2  supports D0 D3  current D0
     cap 05[d0] = MSI supports 1 message, 64 bit enabled with 1 message
     cap 13[e0] = PCI Advanced Features: FLR TP


I can lock things up fairly quickly by running these 2 scripts across an 
nfs mount.

#!/bin/sh

while true
do
  dd if=/dev/urandom ibs=64k count=1000 | pbzip2 -c -p3 > /mnt/test.bz2
  dd if=/dev/urandom ibs=63k count=1000 | pbzip2 -c -p3 > /mnt/test.bz2
  dd if=/dev/urandom ibs=66k count=1000 | pbzip2 -c -p3 > /mnt/test.bz2
done
root@backup3:/usr/home/mdtancsa # cat i3
#!/bin/sh

while true
do
dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/test2 bs=128k count=2000
sleep 10
done


	---Mike




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On 12/09/2014 16:03, Andriy Gapon wrote:
> On 12/09/2014 08:12, Shane Ambler wrote:
>> On 11/09/2014 16:42, Ben Morrow wrote:

>>> Recently, though, my dump script has started having occasional problems
>>> with snapshots that won't delete. Pending further investigation I have
>>> been renaming them to allow the recursive delete to succeed, and (so
>>> far) rebooting has always made it possible to get rid of them. 
>>
>> I have seen that issue with 9.2 and at least one other person mentioned
>> it as well. I currently have a snapshot that I accessed at least 3 weeks
>> ago and renamed to keep rotations working and have not accessed since,
>> it still won't delete as it is busy. I can only delete these snapshots
>> after a reboot.
>>
>> The only cause I know is accessing the snapshot.
>> I can simply ls .zfs/snapshot/daily.01/somefolder to prevent it being
>> deleted. With a manual zfs destroy I get "dataset is busy" and have not
>> found a way to find any process that has hold of it.
> 
> Look for it in `mount` output.

There is no entry in mount or df for the snapshot

The zfs mounted property is only yes for real filesystems - all
snapshots show as '-'

On 12/09/2014 16:44, Adam Vande More wrote:
>
> What exactly have you tried and what were the results?

zfs rename works
zfs destroy fails both before and after rename with
'cannot destroy snapshot zrpleader/home/shane@daily.bad: dataset is busy'

I can't find anything with fstat or lsof to indicate a process has
anything open within the snapshot path.

I haven't done a lot of digging for info so don't think I've tried
anything else yet.

On 12/09/2014 17:49, Steven Hartland wrote:
>
> Is there a hold on the snapshot?

Don't know how to tell that.


The first time I encountered this I think I sent xfe to the snapshot
dir and opened a video with vlc. The one I have from a few weeks ago I
did cp ~/.zfs/snapshot/daily.01/folder/file ~/folder/ from a terminal
as a normal user.

The original snapshots were created with
zfs snapshot -r zrpleader@daily.01

I have manually destroyed each of the individual filesystem snapshots
that I could and have two bad snapshots remaining, one from a few weeks
ago and one from a few days ago.

Both of these I can not access now. ls .zfs/snapshot/daily.bad says
'ls: .zfs/snapshot/daily.bad: Device busy'

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Mike Tancsa wrote:
> On 9/12/2014 7:33 PM, Rick Macklem wrote:
> > I wrote:
> >> The patches are in 10.1. I thought his report said 10.0 in the
> >> message.
> >>
> >> If Mike is running a recent stable/10 or releng/10.1, then it has
> >> been
> >> patched for this and NFS should work with TSO enabled. If it
> >> doesn't,
> >> then something else is broken.
> > Oops, I looked and I see Mike was testing r270560 (which would have
> > both
> > the patches). I don't have an explanation why TSO and 64K rsize,
> > wsize
> > would cause a hang, but does appear it will exist in 10.1 unless it
> > gets resolved.
> >
> > Mike, one difference is that, even with the patches the driver will
> > be
> > copying the transmit mbuf list via m_defrag() to 32 MCLBYTE
> > clusters
> > when using 64K rsize, wsize.
> > If you can reproduce the hang, you might want to look at how many
> > mbuf
> > clusters are allocated. If you've hit the limit, then I think that
> > would explain it.
> 
> 
> I have been running the test for a few hrs now and no lockups of the
> nic, so doing the nfs mount with -orsize=32768,wsize=32768 certainly
> seems to work around the lockup.   How do I check the mbuf clusters ?
> 
> root@backup3:/usr/home/mdtancsa # vmstat -z | grep -i clu
> mbuf_cluster:          2048, 760054,    4444,     370, 3088708,   0,
>   0
> root@backup3:/usr/home/mdtancsa #
> root@backup3:/usr/home/mdtancsa # netstat -m
> 3322/4028/7350 mbufs in use (current/cache/total)
> 2826/1988/4814/760054 mbuf clusters in use (current/cache/total/max)
This was all I was thinking of. It certainly doesn't look like a problem.
If the 64K rsize, wsize test is about the same, I'd say you aren't running
out of mbuf clusters.

> 2430/1618 mbuf+clusters out of packet secondary zone in use
> (current/cache)
> 0/4/4/380026 4k (page size) jumbo clusters in use
> (current/cache/total/max)
> 0/0/0/112600 9k jumbo clusters in use (current/cache/total/max)
> 0/0/0/63337 16k jumbo clusters in use (current/cache/total/max)
> 6482K/4999K/11481K bytes allocated to network (current/cache/total)
> 0/0/0 requests for mbufs denied (mbufs/clusters/mbuf+clusters)
> 0/0/0 requests for mbufs delayed (mbufs/clusters/mbuf+clusters)
> 0/0/0 requests for jumbo clusters delayed (4k/9k/16k)
> 0/0/0 requests for jumbo clusters denied (4k/9k/16k)
> 0 requests for sfbufs denied
> 0 requests for sfbufs delayed
> 0 requests for I/O initiated by sendfile
> root@backup3:/usr/home/mdtancsa #
> 
> Interface is RUNNING and ACTIVE
> em1: hw tdh = 343, hw tdt = 838
> em1: hw rdh = 512, hw rdt = 511
> em1: Tx Queue Status = 1
> em1: TX descriptors avail = 516
> em1: Tx Descriptors avail failure = 1
I don't know anything about the hardware, but this looks
suspicious to me?

Hopefully someone familiar with the hardware can help, rick

> em1: RX discarded packets = 0
> em1: RX Next to Check = 512
> em1: RX Next to Refresh = 511
> 
> 
> I just tested on the other em nic and I can wedge it as well, so its
> not
> limited to one particular type of em nic.
> 
> 
> em0: Watchdog timeout -- resetting
> em0: Queue(0) tdh = 349, hw tdt = 176
> em0: TX(0) desc avail = 173,Next TX to Clean = 349
> em0: link state changed to DOWN
> em0: link state changed to UP
> 
> so it does not seem limited to just certain em nics
> 
> em0@pci0:0:25:0:        class=0x020000 card=0x34ec8086
> chip=0x10ef8086
> rev=0x05 hdr=0x00
>      vendor     = 'Intel Corporation'
>      device     = '82578DM Gigabit Network Connection'
>      class      = network
>      subclass   = ethernet
>      bar   [10] = type Memory, range 32, base 0xb1a00000, size
>      131072,
> enabled
>      bar   [14] = type Memory, range 32, base 0xb1a25000, size 4096,
>      enabled
>      bar   [18] = type I/O Port, range 32, base 0x2040, size 32,
>      enabled
>      cap 01[c8] = powerspec 2  supports D0 D3  current D0
>      cap 05[d0] = MSI supports 1 message, 64 bit enabled with 1
>      message
>      cap 13[e0] = PCI Advanced Features: FLR TP
> 
> 
> I can lock things up fairly quickly by running these 2 scripts across
> an
> nfs mount.
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> 
> while true
> do
>   dd if=/dev/urandom ibs=64k count=1000 | pbzip2 -c -p3 >
>   /mnt/test.bz2
>   dd if=/dev/urandom ibs=63k count=1000 | pbzip2 -c -p3 >
>   /mnt/test.bz2
>   dd if=/dev/urandom ibs=66k count=1000 | pbzip2 -c -p3 >
>   /mnt/test.bz2
> done
> root@backup3:/usr/home/mdtancsa # cat i3
> #!/bin/sh
> 
> while true
> do
> dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/test2 bs=128k count=2000
> sleep 10
> done
> 
> 
> 	---Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> -------------------
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On 11.09.2014 23:14, Ben Morrow wrote:
> I didn't realise it was possible to load radeonkms after boot.
> Presumably if you do that you lose even more of the boot messages when
> the new console loads? Currently it appears to lose everything that was=

> above the top of the screen when the new driver loaded; it would be
> better (if possible) if it were to keep the scrollback as well.

When a KMS driver is loaded, the history buffer of vt(4) grows and the
current data is preserved. Therefore you should not lose any data.

One caveat is that the cursor is put at the top of the screen, so the
previous content is off-screen. Another issue is that the history size
(hard-coded) is admittedly very small. But data should be there.

Could you please describe your problem in more details?

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I just updated my 10-STABLE amd64 machine from r268926 to r271474. My  
PC has ATI Radeon X1300/X1550 video adapter and I am using radeonkms  
(loaded from loader.conf)

One message in dmesg.boot which wasnt't there before the update caught my eye

error: [drm:pid0:drm_fb_helper_single_fb_probe] *ERROR* Failed to  
attach fbd device: 6

Other than this error message, I am not seeing any ill effects. I'm  
just curious if something could be done to fix this.

Full dmesg: http://www.raad.tartu.ee/~toomas/dmesg.boot

Cheers!
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Quoth =?windows-1252?Q?Jean-S=E9bastien_P=E9dron?= <dumbbell@FreeBSD.org>:
> On 11.09.2014 23:14, Ben Morrow wrote:
> > I didn't realise it was possible to load radeonkms after boot.
> > Presumably if you do that you lose even more of the boot messages when
> > the new console loads? Currently it appears to lose everything that was
> > above the top of the screen when the new driver loaded; it would be
> > better (if possible) if it were to keep the scrollback as well.
> 
> When a KMS driver is loaded, the history buffer of vt(4) grows and the
> current data is preserved. Therefore you should not lose any data.
> 
> One caveat is that the cursor is put at the top of the screen, so the
> previous content is off-screen. Another issue is that the history size
> (hard-coded) is admittedly very small. But data should be there.
> 
> Could you please describe your problem in more details?

Previously, with syscons, I could usually scroll back after boot had
finished and the login: prompt appeared and get all the way up to the
start of the kernel messages (the Copyright line). 

Now, with vt, and loading radeonkms from rc.conf rather than
loader.conf, if I switch to the console, I can: scroll up through 8
screens of kernel and userland console messages until I come to a screen
which has

    info: [drm] Initialised drm 1.1.0 20060810

in approximately the middle; then I can scroll up one more screen only,
which takes me to somewhere in the middle of probing the USB ports.
Looking at dmesg suggests there should be 3 or 4 more screens of
messages above that.

Obviously I can't be certain without trying more things that this isn't
just because the rest has gone off the top of the buffer, but ISTR when
I was first changing the machine over to vt that when I didn't load
radeonkms and stayed with vt_vga I could still scroll all the way up. I
may be misremembering, and/or making assumptions based on the fact the
end of the scrollback is about a screenful above drm loading; I can do
more experiments next time I reboot the machine if that would be
helpful.

Ben


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Mike Tansca wrote:
> On 9/12/2014 7:33 PM, Rick Macklem wrote:
> > I wrote:
> >> The patches are in 10.1. I thought his report said 10.0 in the message.
> >>
> >> If Mike is running a recent stable/10 or releng/10.1, then it has been
> >> patched for this and NFS should work with TSO enabled. If it doesn't,
> >> then something else is broken.
> > Oops, I looked and I see Mike was testing r270560 (which would have both
> > the patches). I don't have an explanation why TSO and 64K rsize, wsize
> > would cause a hang, but does appear it will exist in 10.1 unless it
> > gets resolved.
> >
> > Mike, one difference is that, even with the patches the driver will be
> > copying the transmit mbuf list via m_defrag() to 32 MCLBYTE clusters
> > when using 64K rsize, wsize.
> > If you can reproduce the hang, you might want to look at how many mbuf
> > clusters are allocated. If you've hit the limit, then I think that
> > would explain it.
> 
> I have been running the test for a few hrs now and no lockups of the 
> nic, so doing the nfs mount with -orsize=32768,wsize=32768 certainly 
? seems to work around the lockup.   How do I check the mbuf clusters ?

Btw, in the past when reducing the rsize,wsize has fixed a problem that
isn't fixed by disabling TSO, it has been a problem w.r.t. receiving a
burst of ethernet packets.
I believe this may be a problem with either the receive ring size or
interrupt latency (testers have reported cases where changing the way
the device driver uses interrupts have fixed the problem so that it
worked with 64K rsize, wsize).

I have no familiarity with this hardware/driver so I can't suggest
anything specific to try except maybe how interrupts are handled,
if the driver has a sysctl for that.

rick