From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 26 06:36:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F783F20 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 06:36:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E727A119 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 06:36:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id s9Q6aD2H076142; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:36:14 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:36:13 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Lyndon Nerenberg Subject: Re: File system issues In-Reply-To: <50056B15-83F4-4524-995E-6486959C027C@orthanc.ca> Message-ID: <20141026170011.M74058@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <544BC863.2040607@bsdforen.de> <20141025183600.GG66862@home.opsec.eu> <50056B15-83F4-4524-995E-6486959C027C@orthanc.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 06:36:27 -0000 On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 12:11:16 -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > On Oct 25, 2014, at 11:36 AM, Kurt Jaeger wrote: > > > I always disable journaling, because I had many failures with that > > in the past: > > > > tunefs -j disable > > I turn it off because you cannot snapshot a journaled filesystem, > which breaks live dumps. > > It would be helpful if there was a way in the installer to toggle the > default setting for 'journaled' before carving out the filesystems. > It's moderately annoying to have to go through the option settings > for all the filesystems to turn this off. And if you do go back into the options settings for a filesystem, the options you have changed, like turning off journaling, have been (or at least, appear to have been) reset to defaults, so you can't just check what you've already set, but have to start again. What I _really_ miss from sysinstall(8) is the ability to toggle the newfs flag. What you need to do now if you wish to preserve an existing filesystem - quite commonly /home - is very deliberately NOT select that filesystem from those detected, finish the install then manually, later, readd that fs to /etc/fstab AND remove the created symlink from /home to /usr/home, recreate /home as a directory, AFTER moving created dotfiles if you forgot to NOT create a non-root user during install. Relatively new users wouldn't have the slightest clue about needing to do that. But then, the general expectation that new users will want a linux-style single / directory - sure, fine for VM use - cruels the potential to use dump and restore anyway. It's a bit sad that this is still outstanding. cheers anyway, Ian