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Wed, 28 Jan 2015 19:32:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 19:32:32 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: "Lundberg, Johannes" Subject: Re: System-On-Module Message-ID: <20150128183231.GI58886@cicely7.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely7.cicely.de 7.0-STABLE i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-1, BAYES_00=-1.9, DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL=2.699, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01 autolearn=no version=3.3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on spamd.cicely.de Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Current , "freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 19:01:35 -0000 On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 06:52:52PM +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote: > Hi > > Of all the low power, high-spec system/computer-on-modules out there which > have best support for FreeBSD? > > MEN > Variscite > Technologic system > Adlink > etc. > > What I am looking for is a system with roughly this specs > ARM or x86, 64bit if possible. > 2-4 cores > 1.5-2.0 GHz > 2 GB RAM > ~16 GB Storage > USB 3.0 > PCB size about one to two credit cards. In that range I would go for a Wandboard. They are 1, 2 or 4 core iMX6 32bit with 512M, 1G or 2G RAM. The 4 core has SATA, which to my knowledge we don't support yet. They come with 2 useable SD-card slots - one on the module and one on a carrier board. Clock rate is 1GHz only IIRC and they only have high speed USB, although the newest carrier boards have some super speed wiring for future modules. TechNexion, the originator of that module system also has some x86 boards - some may fit your requirements, but those are at a higher price and bigger form factor. Tech Nexion also has iMX6 boards similar to the wandboard with different featuresets, but also at a higher price. > I wish to minimize the amount of porting needed so I am very grateful if > someone has good insights in this area. And of course, it would help a lot > if it was a manufacturer who is willing to provide datasheets to make > porting possible.. Freescale is producting the iMX6 and they supply a hughe PDF for them. Also the wandboard schematics are public available. -- B.Walter http://www.bwct.de Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 28 19:10:29 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5183EE5; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 19:10:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x22b.google.com (mail-lb0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65B3BD80; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 19:10:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f171.google.com with SMTP id u14so20396557lbd.2; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 11:10:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=eLRCncbjmn+VK/YtmSbahm5kVruXZyszq1uTIMVd3wc=; b=sJopDEYhUTMjNNsryoAxChstapkw0QFGg8LuT+JnMpC0iCs9STISuPeVtsLIoK+34c ro7B6tX47CLsP3cPX/GXp9JRdsaoXYROESQAJphsOjJb+DA23t4Xq2u//DAxCRUrsjBy rZxr7SDlVwCP7kzie9MWG5Z+qsKq3z66fmC2s13X1Qh+o2SGt4gvrzJdV0vlIOQ7IrtX YNLNiyjugiVlUL1Pgen/rTfEp4eo+cP/IU3YaOVlPlo2wUNp5B4Dw+VexMtownYmzkJn JUhfWr1kA6U76ubIZuZwIb/1dPBB4etpckoOZShcDT6/+bn0oCk99D7Ribn1ZgQ3xfDv KhzQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.37.165 with SMTP id z5mr10120566laj.88.1422472226201; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 11:10:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.198.131 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 11:10:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:10:26 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: System-On-Module From: Andreas Nilsson To: "Lundberg, Johannes" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Current , "freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 19:10:29 -0000 On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Lundberg, Johannes < johannes@brilliantservice.co.jp> wrote: > Hi > > Of all the low power, high-spec system/computer-on-modules out there which > have best support for FreeBSD? > > MEN > Variscite > Technologic system > Adlink > etc. > > What I am looking for is a system with roughly this specs > ARM or x86, 64bit if possible. > 2-4 cores > 1.5-2.0 GHz > 2 GB RAM > ~16 GB Storage > USB 3.0 > PCB size about one to two credit cards. > > I wish to minimize the amount of porting needed so I am very grateful if > someone has good insights in this area. And of course, it would help a lot > if it was a manufacturer who is willing to provide datasheets to make > porting possible.. > > Thanks! > -- > Johannes Lundberg > > Something like http://www.fit-pc.com/web/products/specifications/fitlet-models-specifications/ perhaps? Though I don't think it is available yet, so I don't know if it is supported in FreeBSD. Best regards Andreas From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 28 19:27:39 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9829DAB4; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 19:27:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp6.ore.mailhop.org (smtp6.ore.mailhop.org [54.149.35.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77559FA7; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 19:27:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [73.34.117.227] (helo=ilsoft.org) by smtp6.ore.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1YGYH4-0003wH-2d; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 19:27:38 +0000 Received: from revolution.hippie.lan (revolution.hippie.lan [172.22.42.240]) by ilsoft.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t0SJRVKY027010; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 12:27:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) X-Mail-Handler: DuoCircle Outbound SMTP X-Originating-IP: 73.34.117.227 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@duocircle.com (see https://support.duocircle.com/support/solutions/articles/5000540958-duocircle-standard-smtp-abuse-information for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX1+8Y4mxWzyFMRy+35ix9/KC Message-ID: <1422473251.15718.70.camel@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: System-On-Module From: Ian Lepore To: ticso@cicely.de Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 12:27:31 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20150128183231.GI58886@cicely7.cicely.de> References: <20150128183231.GI58886@cicely7.cicely.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.12.8 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Current , "Lundberg, Johannes" , "freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 19:27:39 -0000 On Wed, 2015-01-28 at 19:32 +0100, Bernd Walter wrote: > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 06:52:52PM +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote: > > Hi > > > > Of all the low power, high-spec system/computer-on-modules out there which > > have best support for FreeBSD? > > > > MEN > > Variscite > > Technologic system > > Adlink > > etc. > > > > What I am looking for is a system with roughly this specs > > ARM or x86, 64bit if possible. > > 2-4 cores > > 1.5-2.0 GHz > > 2 GB RAM > > ~16 GB Storage > > USB 3.0 > > PCB size about one to two credit cards. > > In that range I would go for a Wandboard. > They are 1, 2 or 4 core iMX6 32bit with 512M, 1G or 2G RAM. > The 4 core has SATA, which to my knowledge we don't support yet. > They come with 2 useable SD-card slots - one on the module and one > on a carrier board. > Clock rate is 1GHz only IIRC and they only have high speed USB, although > the newest carrier boards have some super speed wiring for future modules. > > TechNexion, the originator of that module system also has some > x86 boards - some may fit your requirements, but those are at > a higher price and bigger form factor. > Tech Nexion also has iMX6 boards similar to the wandboard with > different featuresets, but also at a higher price. You do get more for that higher price with the Technexion EDM modules, namely 1.2ghz chips instead of 1.0, and parts that are industrial and/or automotive temperature-rated rather than consumer grade. On the other hand, you generally can't buy Technexion modules one at a time. Last time I checked they were minimum order 10 pieces even from resellers like Mouser and Digikey. Another small-board imx6 possibility is the Hummingboard from SolidRun. I now have freebsd running on a SolidRun Cubox-i4, so I expect no large drama in getting it working on other SolidRun imx6 products. Gonzo ordered a Hummingboard recently, so we should know for sure some time soon. -- Ian From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 28 20:15:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C456517; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from raven.bwct.de (raven.bwct.de [85.159.14.73]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "raven.bwct.de", Issuer "BWCT" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED584856; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.cicely.de ([10.1.1.37]) by raven.bwct.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id t0SKEiQt029420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Jan 2015 21:14:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from cicely7.cicely.de (cicely7.cicely.de [10.1.1.9]) by mail.cicely.de (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id t0SKEgAC023493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Jan 2015 21:14:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from cicely7.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely7.cicely.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id t0SKEgKX073792; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 21:14:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely7.cicely.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id t0SKEef1073791; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 21:14:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 21:14:40 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: Ian Lepore Subject: Re: System-On-Module Message-ID: <20150128201440.GA73589@cicely7.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: <20150128183231.GI58886@cicely7.cicely.de> <1422473251.15718.70.camel@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1422473251.15718.70.camel@freebsd.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely7.cicely.de 7.0-STABLE i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-1, BAYES_00=-1.9, DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL=2.699, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01 autolearn=no version=3.3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on spamd.cicely.de Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Current , ticso@cicely.de, "freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org" , "Lundberg, Johannes" X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:15:11 -0000 On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 12:27:31PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote: > On Wed, 2015-01-28 at 19:32 +0100, Bernd Walter wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 06:52:52PM +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > Of all the low power, high-spec system/computer-on-modules out there which > > > have best support for FreeBSD? > > > > > > MEN > > > Variscite > > > Technologic system > > > Adlink > > > etc. > > > > > > What I am looking for is a system with roughly this specs > > > ARM or x86, 64bit if possible. > > > 2-4 cores > > > 1.5-2.0 GHz > > > 2 GB RAM > > > ~16 GB Storage > > > USB 3.0 > > > PCB size about one to two credit cards. > > > > In that range I would go for a Wandboard. > > They are 1, 2 or 4 core iMX6 32bit with 512M, 1G or 2G RAM. > > The 4 core has SATA, which to my knowledge we don't support yet. > > They come with 2 useable SD-card slots - one on the module and one > > on a carrier board. > > Clock rate is 1GHz only IIRC and they only have high speed USB, although > > the newest carrier boards have some super speed wiring for future modules. > > > > TechNexion, the originator of that module system also has some > > x86 boards - some may fit your requirements, but those are at > > a higher price and bigger form factor. > > Tech Nexion also has iMX6 boards similar to the wandboard with > > different featuresets, but also at a higher price. > > You do get more for that higher price with the Technexion EDM modules, > namely 1.2ghz chips instead of 1.0, and parts that are industrial and/or > automotive temperature-rated rather than consumer grade. On the other > hand, you generally can't buy Technexion modules one at a time. Last > time I checked they were minimum order 10 pieces even from resellers > like Mouser and Digikey. Temperature rating - that can easily justify the higher price. > Another small-board imx6 possibility is the Hummingboard from SolidRun. > I now have freebsd running on a SolidRun Cubox-i4, so I expect no large > drama in getting it working on other SolidRun imx6 products. Gonzo > ordered a Hummingboard recently, so we should know for sure some time > soon. To my knowledge they come in 3 different sizes. I own the biggest two versions of them. Completely forgot that the Hummingboard uses modules as well and the modules are even very small. -- B.Walter http://www.bwct.de Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 28 23:21:49 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C552969 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 23:21:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f175.google.com (mail-ie0-f175.google.com [209.85.223.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D9F1268 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 23:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f175.google.com with SMTP id ar1so26517627iec.6 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 15:21:48 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=zoVi1h5IwTx1KaasxCuR+b71fTM9wyZCXwTPISmQl20=; b=B88Kd/vfLkY0klpvVTvBJ0/KInw+PXRG88JkEcimO4keYt2cYCA+fPu3PjyQVGRRqa kVJqFZ7sycmVN/oNf9jdc8zSHpK0UvdWNAaJ1NYa6s4WkElTZZhNbIXmKQMdpfmd7YIL LqCkXfWFLuGsrp0Ohsmfpcl5huyMkvWBISF0sAubWz2rhpzOttSIJ7R8DmtsqGHXKjH8 /DnkxOGEeNvYyR4ujJajOFBa8Wa0lBv51ObgfE4e4xa6X1z6jzsJkDCjMfPv4Z7xD2Pj t9gHXpmrDwM28N+4EoMbnrep5cdmMbg0FWFlM6VuXJWxaZOPMVeej3eiV1pFh2QkqABK TOoQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlQtfgFDcZdnayWzffKfdjC2wONekVnAsOnS2ibwRJdAjSKDWSIaWOy8V0okGkt3+vNhkmD9pMIYB2ptCixbF+HKmS/vA3+Z9kmzuFVdHR27LaFKbLpveCjB9Z5kjyTx8NcJVvO X-Received: by 10.50.78.202 with SMTP id d10mr6753918igx.30.1422487308338; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 15:21:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.5.136 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 15:21:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20150128201440.GA73589@cicely7.cicely.de> References: <20150128183231.GI58886@cicely7.cicely.de> <1422473251.15718.70.camel@freebsd.org> <20150128201440.GA73589@cicely7.cicely.de> From: "Lundberg, Johannes" Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 08:21:32 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: System-On-Module To: ticso@cicely.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Current , Ian Lepore , "freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 23:21:49 -0000 Thanks a lot guys. I can specify a bit more details. We don't need any sd-card, sata or external storage. Just the internal eMMC is enough. Display output can be DSI, LVDS or something that can easily be serialized to transfer over 2 wires. If WiFi and Bluetooth 4.0 is on the board that'll also be great. And of course, it would be helpful if the said board also is available as development kit... If the first tests are ok (tests can be done using Linux if FreeBSD doesn't run out of the box) we're looking to buy a larger amount, at least >1000 to start with. We are flexible about prize and size of the board. Atom is preferable over imx6, but I'll check out what you recommended. Thanks again! Ps. Hopefully we can also provide development boards for anyone who wants to help with porting out of own interest. -- Johannes Lundberg On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 5:14 AM, Bernd Walter wrote: > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 12:27:31PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote: > > On Wed, 2015-01-28 at 19:32 +0100, Bernd Walter wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 06:52:52PM +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > Of all the low power, high-spec system/computer-on-modules out ther= e > which > > > > have best support for FreeBSD? > > > > > > > > MEN > > > > Variscite > > > > Technologic system > > > > Adlink > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > What I am looking for is a system with roughly this specs > > > > ARM or x86, 64bit if possible. > > > > 2-4 cores > > > > 1.5-2.0 GHz > > > > 2 GB RAM > > > > ~16 GB Storage > > > > USB 3.0 > > > > PCB size about one to two credit cards. > > > > > > In that range I would go for a Wandboard. > > > They are 1, 2 or 4 core iMX6 32bit with 512M, 1G or 2G RAM. > > > The 4 core has SATA, which to my knowledge we don't support yet. > > > They come with 2 useable SD-card slots - one on the module and one > > > on a carrier board. > > > Clock rate is 1GHz only IIRC and they only have high speed USB, > although > > > the newest carrier boards have some super speed wiring for future > modules. > > > > > > TechNexion, the originator of that module system also has some > > > x86 boards - some may fit your requirements, but those are at > > > a higher price and bigger form factor. > > > Tech Nexion also has iMX6 boards similar to the wandboard with > > > different featuresets, but also at a higher price. > > > > You do get more for that higher price with the Technexion EDM modules, > > namely 1.2ghz chips instead of 1.0, and parts that are industrial and/o= r > > automotive temperature-rated rather than consumer grade. On the other > > hand, you generally can't buy Technexion modules one at a time. Last > > time I checked they were minimum order 10 pieces even from resellers > > like Mouser and Digikey. > > Temperature rating - that can easily justify the higher price. > > > Another small-board imx6 possibility is the Hummingboard from SolidRun. > > I now have freebsd running on a SolidRun Cubox-i4, so I expect no large > > drama in getting it working on other SolidRun imx6 products. Gonzo > > ordered a Hummingboard recently, so we should know for sure some time > > soon. > > To my knowledge they come in 3 different sizes. > I own the biggest two versions of them. > Completely forgot that the Hummingboard uses modules as well and the > modules are even very small. > > -- > B.Walter http://www.bwct.de > Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm. > --=20 =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- =E7=A7=98=E5=AF=86=E4=BF=9D=E6=8C=81=E3=81=AB=E3=81=A4=E3=81=84=E3=81=A6=EF= =BC=9A=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E9=9B=BB=E5=AD=90=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81= =AF=E3=80=81=E5=90=8D=E5=AE=9B=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AB=E9=80=81=E4=BF=A1=E3=81=97= =E3=81=9F=E3=82=82=E3=81=AE=E3=81=A7=E3=81=82=E3=82=8A=E3=80=81=E7=A7=98=E5= =8C=BF=E7=89=B9=E6=A8=A9=E3=81=AE=E5=AF=BE=E8=B1=A1=E3=81=A8=E3=81=AA=E3=82= =8B=E6=83=85=E5=A0=B1=E3=82=92=E5=90=AB=E3=82=93=E3=81=A7=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE= =E3=81=99=E3=80=82 =E3=82=82=E3=81=97=E3=80=81=E5=90=8D=E5=AE=9B=E4=BA=BA=E4=BB=A5=E5=A4=96=E3= =81=AE=E6=96=B9=E3=81=8C=E5=8F=97=E4=BF=A1=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C=E3=81=9F=E5=A0= =B4=E5=90=88=E3=80=81=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81=AE= =E7=A0=B4=E6=A3=84=E3=80=81=E3=81=8A=E3=82=88=E3=81=B3=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E3= =83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81=AB=E9=96=A2=E3=81=99=E3=82=8B=E4=B8=80=E5=88= =87=E3=81=AE=E9=96=8B=E7=A4=BA=E3=80=81 =E8=A4=87=E5=86=99=E3=80=81=E9=85=8D=E5=B8=83=E3=80=81=E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4= =BB=96=E3=81=AE=E5=88=A9=E7=94=A8=E3=80=81=E3=81=BE=E3=81=9F=E3=81=AF=E8=A8= =98=E8=BC=89=E5=86=85=E5=AE=B9=E3=81=AB=E5=9F=BA=E3=81=A5=E3=81=8F=E3=81=84= =E3=81=8B=E3=81=AA=E3=82=8B=E8=A1=8C=E5=8B=95=E3=82=82=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C=E3= =81=AA=E3=81=84=E3=82=88=E3=81=86=E3=81=8A=E9=A1=98=E3=81=84=E7=94=B3=E3=81= =97=E4=B8=8A=E3=81=92=E3=81=BE=E3=81=99=E3=80=82 --- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information in this email is confidential and intended solely for the addressee. 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From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 28 23:29:14 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD808426 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 23:29:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92D142E2 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 23:29:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id rd18so26384241iec.3 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 15:29:14 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=hJYlqxUbuMkwuzBDGQzzJH31ICMnM+4Dh1QSaC6EW38=; b=OkGLosLKLKXFKKGdgx03RzBumfO0wcXZ5fB4d4mnBZSu7eJ825UaqbXoVl+3PivBWE k7p6yrann2QWhKi+I+0Tmvk4+FcAOKmldi0j619woPHBZgo9UXBtOHm9KU/06wcT4Qhe U/dV8VIF3LvXRMX66dVik2Z7SYg/a1CXy5M34aRzSCvbxdUSyOnD4y+vd0RaHr0di+n8 qTgjuB+vM97OqlQvTkXYvqPzKUaClYNRnRrpWik+/7IpCeBmR7aUZ5PMlyXvIQIg0OuT ei9+FT8U/XAGF2SEhL0sjReOSoHm5ZfJO6eJwwt6t/reUCDLKjdRT6MtM0sEaHVyuWQp LJmg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkSOAiWUnQwj9vJoRCn37POHZAEn9XxhyuhRYbNGzF3LwmJuhFoTdCZ6L0Cg/EA+GvWqZ0UgdQR3217dET48T1Srnlg5HCg6TQrU/tZ0ITGPAq1qz+PG9bM6kcbrW5MrmqMb/cH X-Received: by 10.50.67.100 with SMTP id m4mr6887281igt.22.1422487754012; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 15:29:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.5.136 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 15:28:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20150128183231.GI58886@cicely7.cicely.de> <1422473251.15718.70.camel@freebsd.org> <20150128201440.GA73589@cicely7.cicely.de> From: "Lundberg, Johannes" Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 08:28:58 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: System-On-Module To: ticso@cicely.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Current , Ian Lepore , "freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 23:29:14 -0000 By the way, this is for an embedded mobile device so we are looking for something more like http://www.kontron.com/products/computeronmodules/smarc/smarc-samx6i.html instead of Wandboard which has all the connectors that we won't use. -- Johannes Lundberg BRILLIANTSERVICE CO., LTD. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Lundberg, Johannes < johannes@brilliantservice.co.jp> wrote: > Thanks a lot guys. > > I can specify a bit more details. > We don't need any sd-card, sata or external storage. Just the internal > eMMC is enough. > Display output can be DSI, LVDS or something that can easily be serialize= d > to transfer over 2 wires. > If WiFi and Bluetooth 4.0 is on the board that'll also be great. > And of course, it would be helpful if the said board also is available as > development kit... > > If the first tests are ok (tests can be done using Linux if FreeBSD > doesn't run out of the box) we're looking to buy a larger amount, at leas= t > >1000 to start with. > > We are flexible about prize and size of the board. > > Atom is preferable over imx6, but I'll check out what you recommended. > Thanks again! > > Ps. Hopefully we can also provide development boards for anyone who wants > to help with porting out of own interest. > > -- > Johannes Lundberg > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 5:14 AM, Bernd Walter > wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 12:27:31PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote: >> > On Wed, 2015-01-28 at 19:32 +0100, Bernd Walter wrote: >> > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 06:52:52PM +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote: >> > > > Hi >> > > > >> > > > Of all the low power, high-spec system/computer-on-modules out >> there which >> > > > have best support for FreeBSD? >> > > > >> > > > MEN >> > > > Variscite >> > > > Technologic system >> > > > Adlink >> > > > etc. >> > > > >> > > > What I am looking for is a system with roughly this specs >> > > > ARM or x86, 64bit if possible. >> > > > 2-4 cores >> > > > 1.5-2.0 GHz >> > > > 2 GB RAM >> > > > ~16 GB Storage >> > > > USB 3.0 >> > > > PCB size about one to two credit cards. >> > > >> > > In that range I would go for a Wandboard. >> > > They are 1, 2 or 4 core iMX6 32bit with 512M, 1G or 2G RAM. >> > > The 4 core has SATA, which to my knowledge we don't support yet. >> > > They come with 2 useable SD-card slots - one on the module and one >> > > on a carrier board. >> > > Clock rate is 1GHz only IIRC and they only have high speed USB, >> although >> > > the newest carrier boards have some super speed wiring for future >> modules. >> > > >> > > TechNexion, the originator of that module system also has some >> > > x86 boards - some may fit your requirements, but those are at >> > > a higher price and bigger form factor. >> > > Tech Nexion also has iMX6 boards similar to the wandboard with >> > > different featuresets, but also at a higher price. >> > >> > You do get more for that higher price with the Technexion EDM modules, >> > namely 1.2ghz chips instead of 1.0, and parts that are industrial and/= or >> > automotive temperature-rated rather than consumer grade. On the other >> > hand, you generally can't buy Technexion modules one at a time. Last >> > time I checked they were minimum order 10 pieces even from resellers >> > like Mouser and Digikey. >> >> Temperature rating - that can easily justify the higher price. >> >> > Another small-board imx6 possibility is the Hummingboard from SolidRun= . >> > I now have freebsd running on a SolidRun Cubox-i4, so I expect no larg= e >> > drama in getting it working on other SolidRun imx6 products. Gonzo >> > ordered a Hummingboard recently, so we should know for sure some time >> > soon. >> >> To my knowledge they come in 3 different sizes. >> I own the biggest two versions of them. >> Completely forgot that the Hummingboard uses modules as well and the >> modules are even very small. >> >> -- >> B.Walter http://www.bwct.de >> Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm. >> > > --=20 =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- =E7=A7=98=E5=AF=86=E4=BF=9D=E6=8C=81=E3=81=AB=E3=81=A4=E3=81=84=E3=81=A6=EF= =BC=9A=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E9=9B=BB=E5=AD=90=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81= =AF=E3=80=81=E5=90=8D=E5=AE=9B=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AB=E9=80=81=E4=BF=A1=E3=81=97= =E3=81=9F=E3=82=82=E3=81=AE=E3=81=A7=E3=81=82=E3=82=8A=E3=80=81=E7=A7=98=E5= =8C=BF=E7=89=B9=E6=A8=A9=E3=81=AE=E5=AF=BE=E8=B1=A1=E3=81=A8=E3=81=AA=E3=82= =8B=E6=83=85=E5=A0=B1=E3=82=92=E5=90=AB=E3=82=93=E3=81=A7=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE= =E3=81=99=E3=80=82 =E3=82=82=E3=81=97=E3=80=81=E5=90=8D=E5=AE=9B=E4=BA=BA=E4=BB=A5=E5=A4=96=E3= =81=AE=E6=96=B9=E3=81=8C=E5=8F=97=E4=BF=A1=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C=E3=81=9F=E5=A0= =B4=E5=90=88=E3=80=81=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81=AE= =E7=A0=B4=E6=A3=84=E3=80=81=E3=81=8A=E3=82=88=E3=81=B3=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E3= =83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81=AB=E9=96=A2=E3=81=99=E3=82=8B=E4=B8=80=E5=88= =87=E3=81=AE=E9=96=8B=E7=A4=BA=E3=80=81 =E8=A4=87=E5=86=99=E3=80=81=E9=85=8D=E5=B8=83=E3=80=81=E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4= =BB=96=E3=81=AE=E5=88=A9=E7=94=A8=E3=80=81=E3=81=BE=E3=81=9F=E3=81=AF=E8=A8= =98=E8=BC=89=E5=86=85=E5=AE=B9=E3=81=AB=E5=9F=BA=E3=81=A5=E3=81=8F=E3=81=84= =E3=81=8B=E3=81=AA=E3=82=8B=E8=A1=8C=E5=8B=95=E3=82=82=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C=E3= =81=AA=E3=81=84=E3=82=88=E3=81=86=E3=81=8A=E9=A1=98=E3=81=84=E7=94=B3=E3=81= =97=E4=B8=8A=E3=81=92=E3=81=BE=E3=81=99=E3=80=82 --- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information in this email is confidential and intended solely for the addressee. 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From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 28 23:46:27 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFBC3725; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 23:46:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from raven.bwct.de (raven.bwct.de [85.159.14.73]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "raven.bwct.de", Issuer "BWCT" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2186567D; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 23:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.cicely.de ([10.1.1.37]) by raven.bwct.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id t0SNk1k8031475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:46:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from cicely7.cicely.de (cicely7.cicely.de [10.1.1.9]) by mail.cicely.de (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id t0SNjxPv029002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:45:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from cicely7.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely7.cicely.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id t0SNjxqc074690; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:45:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely7.cicely.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id t0SNjw4A074689; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:45:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:45:58 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: "Lundberg, Johannes" Subject: Re: System-On-Module Message-ID: <20150128234558.GE73589@cicely7.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: <20150128183231.GI58886@cicely7.cicely.de> <1422473251.15718.70.camel@freebsd.org> <20150128201440.GA73589@cicely7.cicely.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely7.cicely.de 7.0-STABLE i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-1, BAYES_00=-1.9, DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL=2.699, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01 autolearn=no version=3.3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on spamd.cicely.de Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Current , ticso@cicely.de, Ian Lepore , "freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 23:46:27 -0000 On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 08:28:58AM +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote: > By the way, this is for an embedded mobile device so we are looking for > something more like > > http://www.kontron.com/products/computeronmodules/smarc/smarc-samx6i.html > > instead of Wandboard which has all the connectors that we won't use. Don't get confused with the wandboard module+carrier board, which is the normal offer (and in small volumes often cheaper than the 10x module pack). The Wandboard module alone is extremly similar to the Kontron modules in your link. They don't have eMMC (maybe some of the TechNexion have), but they do have a micro-SD on the module itself, plus SDIO on the module header. eMMC can have a higher transport speed because it allows for 8bit instead of 4bit and as soldered chip it has different issued than a socketed card, but otherwise they are very similar in design. The 2 and 4 core Wandboards have BT/WLAN on module, but it is done by SDIO, for which FreeBSD (to my knowledge) has no support yet. -- B.Walter http://www.bwct.de Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 29 00:07:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1359DD6D; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp5.ore.mailhop.org (smtp5.ore.mailhop.org [54.186.10.118]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E20778B9; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [73.34.117.227] (helo=ilsoft.org) by smtp5.ore.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1YGcdP-0003GF-1k; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:06:59 +0000 Received: from revolution.hippie.lan (revolution.hippie.lan [172.22.42.240]) by ilsoft.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t0T06rPk029327; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 17:06:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) X-Mail-Handler: DuoCircle Outbound SMTP X-Originating-IP: 73.34.117.227 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@duocircle.com (see https://support.duocircle.com/support/solutions/articles/5000540958-duocircle-standard-smtp-abuse-information for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX19FuY4xdbtzhBpr88i4Mx/a Message-ID: <1422490013.15718.79.camel@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: System-On-Module From: Ian Lepore To: "Lundberg, Johannes" Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 17:06:53 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: <20150128183231.GI58886@cicely7.cicely.de> <1422473251.15718.70.camel@freebsd.org> <20150128201440.GA73589@cicely7.cicely.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.12.8 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Current , ticso@cicely.de, "freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:07:07 -0000 On Thu, 2015-01-29 at 08:28 +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote: > By the way, this is for an embedded mobile device so we are looking for > something more like > > http://www.kontron.com/products/computeronmodules/smarc/smarc-samx6i.html > > instead of Wandboard which has all the connectors that we won't use. That's similar to the EDM module that wandboards use: http://www.technexion.com/products/edm/edm-som/edm1-cf-imx6 You can buy the EDM modules directly from Technexion if you're willing to buy quantity, or through resellers like Digikey. The EDM modules from technexion are compatible with the wandboard carrier boards, so you can use a few cheap wandboards as devel and eval boards (or you can buy the overpriced "fairyboard" carrier from technexion that has PCIe connectors that wandboard lacks). We're using these modules at $work, and that's basically the path I took... I started with a wandboard and got freebsd running on it, and once it got past the proof of concept stage (the minimum set of drivers for the imx6 devices we need, and reasonable freebsd stability -- I had a board running a stress test with 2 months of uptime) we designed our own motherboards with EDM sockets on them. -- Ian From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 29 00:13:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DCB7A6 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:13:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f175.google.com (mail-ie0-f175.google.com [209.85.223.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23918995 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:13:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f175.google.com with SMTP id ar1so26970480iec.6 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 16:13:00 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=/b3AfqRYl51nguM1b93b0FApNZGT45vpJTdVErkvhaE=; b=mHcV6pWlRPvY/5p+aWrpyjttQN4EmsO/PpPdlNFYmtqSEwKSU/y9GV46IgiIBDxWGW 1XuxXpaFP6EqVgLjiZjP6yGcaqps9r1dzkwH526SkhnwdbMqY47GDtwFtpyX/xXJInZS JuppcVRr1JkNXB6VXf6sD2w07sWySzYqV0CqexoYf6g4k1lSK/ngyi4LK2jpXq/0t6bp mo2FaennotZZjG7RlZQyPpKvl4X2q7PK5pf2X5PSfpaQze15+4ODZTCtKvUmSDubDi1r reiOHWQSBfstqU/Mn2V6N/VnB3dTxI3MSUnzChW24MBMQDfgo3TU6BHHamHIKhNbFzt1 nKKw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnDsV8O0A1FM2u9JUpqrjQcf/YpkL5F7rWnie8UogNP5M/V0doAXDdxgPbopRzqzp+5EAzATWzFRACfx3AaWsSSaraEyOyY9puerQIvcmhL3W2VgoQIJS7wOFX6qMSQRsaIUUO2 X-Received: by 10.42.239.1 with SMTP id ku1mr244696icb.45.1422490374144; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 16:12:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.5.136 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 16:12:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1422490013.15718.79.camel@freebsd.org> References: <20150128183231.GI58886@cicely7.cicely.de> <1422473251.15718.70.camel@freebsd.org> <20150128201440.GA73589@cicely7.cicely.de> <1422490013.15718.79.camel@freebsd.org> From: "Lundberg, Johannes" Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 09:12:38 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: System-On-Module To: Ian Lepore Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Current , ticso@cicely.de, "freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:13:01 -0000 Ah now I see it has EDM connection. I didn't look carefully enough. All the images are with the expansion board attached.. Spec-wise and portability-wise it seems like a good option but my hardware guy keeps warning me about Freescale that they often have hardware bugs and rather than fixing the bugs they pretend they are not there.. In other words, Freescale is good for software developers because of open documentation but not so for hardware manufactures. Any experiences with this? -- Johannes Lundberg BRILLIANTSERVICE CO., LTD. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Ian Lepore wrote: > On Thu, 2015-01-29 at 08:28 +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote: > > By the way, this is for an embedded mobile device so we are looking for > > something more like > > > > > http://www.kontron.com/products/computeronmodules/smarc/smarc-samx6i.html > > > > instead of Wandboard which has all the connectors that we won't use. > > That's similar to the EDM module that wandboards use: > > http://www.technexion.com/products/edm/edm-som/edm1-cf-imx6 > > You can buy the EDM modules directly from Technexion if you're willing > to buy quantity, or through resellers like Digikey. The EDM modules > from technexion are compatible with the wandboard carrier boards, so you > can use a few cheap wandboards as devel and eval boards (or you can buy > the overpriced "fairyboard" carrier from technexion that has PCIe > connectors that wandboard lacks). > > We're using these modules at $work, and that's basically the path I > took... I started with a wandboard and got freebsd running on it, and > once it got past the proof of concept stage (the minimum set of drivers > for the imx6 devices we need, and reasonable freebsd stability -- I had > a board running a stress test with 2 months of uptime) we designed our > own motherboards with EDM sockets on them. > > -- Ian > > --=20 =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- =E7=A7=98=E5=AF=86=E4=BF=9D=E6=8C=81=E3=81=AB=E3=81=A4=E3=81=84=E3=81=A6=EF= =BC=9A=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E9=9B=BB=E5=AD=90=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81= =AF=E3=80=81=E5=90=8D=E5=AE=9B=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AB=E9=80=81=E4=BF=A1=E3=81=97= =E3=81=9F=E3=82=82=E3=81=AE=E3=81=A7=E3=81=82=E3=82=8A=E3=80=81=E7=A7=98=E5= =8C=BF=E7=89=B9=E6=A8=A9=E3=81=AE=E5=AF=BE=E8=B1=A1=E3=81=A8=E3=81=AA=E3=82= =8B=E6=83=85=E5=A0=B1=E3=82=92=E5=90=AB=E3=82=93=E3=81=A7=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE= =E3=81=99=E3=80=82 =E3=82=82=E3=81=97=E3=80=81=E5=90=8D=E5=AE=9B=E4=BA=BA=E4=BB=A5=E5=A4=96=E3= =81=AE=E6=96=B9=E3=81=8C=E5=8F=97=E4=BF=A1=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C=E3=81=9F=E5=A0= =B4=E5=90=88=E3=80=81=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81=AE= =E7=A0=B4=E6=A3=84=E3=80=81=E3=81=8A=E3=82=88=E3=81=B3=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E3= =83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81=AB=E9=96=A2=E3=81=99=E3=82=8B=E4=B8=80=E5=88= =87=E3=81=AE=E9=96=8B=E7=A4=BA=E3=80=81 =E8=A4=87=E5=86=99=E3=80=81=E9=85=8D=E5=B8=83=E3=80=81=E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4= =BB=96=E3=81=AE=E5=88=A9=E7=94=A8=E3=80=81=E3=81=BE=E3=81=9F=E3=81=AF=E8=A8= =98=E8=BC=89=E5=86=85=E5=AE=B9=E3=81=AB=E5=9F=BA=E3=81=A5=E3=81=8F=E3=81=84= =E3=81=8B=E3=81=AA=E3=82=8B=E8=A1=8C=E5=8B=95=E3=82=82=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C=E3= =81=AA=E3=81=84=E3=82=88=E3=81=86=E3=81=8A=E9=A1=98=E3=81=84=E7=94=B3=E3=81= =97=E4=B8=8A=E3=81=92=E3=81=BE=E3=81=99=E3=80=82 --- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information in this email is confidential and intended solely for the addressee. 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From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 29 00:36:06 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 548B07BC; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp4.ore.mailhop.org (smtp4.ore.mailhop.org [54.149.240.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D923BCA; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:36:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [73.34.117.227] (helo=ilsoft.org) by smtp4.ore.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1YGd5X-0005bH-QV; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:36:03 +0000 Received: from revolution.hippie.lan (revolution.hippie.lan [172.22.42.240]) by ilsoft.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t0T0a0SC029576; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 17:36:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) X-Mail-Handler: DuoCircle Outbound SMTP X-Originating-IP: 73.34.117.227 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@duocircle.com (see https://support.duocircle.com/support/solutions/articles/5000540958-duocircle-standard-smtp-abuse-information for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX19SQjhCnkSh9HOf2vDrL4cw Message-ID: <1422491760.15718.97.camel@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: System-On-Module From: Ian Lepore To: "Lundberg, Johannes" Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 17:36:00 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: <20150128183231.GI58886@cicely7.cicely.de> <1422473251.15718.70.camel@freebsd.org> <20150128201440.GA73589@cicely7.cicely.de> <1422490013.15718.79.camel@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.12.8 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Current , ticso@cicely.de, "freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:36:06 -0000 On Thu, 2015-01-29 at 09:12 +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote: > Ah now I see it has EDM connection. I didn't look carefully enough. All the > images are with the expansion board attached.. > > Spec-wise and portability-wise it seems like a good option but my hardware > guy keeps warning me about Freescale that they often have hardware bugs and > rather than fixing the bugs they pretend they are not there.. In other > words, Freescale is good for software developers because of open > documentation but not so for hardware manufactures. Any experiences with > this? The imx6 manuals include an errata list, so it would be good to check that for anything specific that would matter to your projects. For the devices we use in our products everything is good so far with the hardware. That's emmc, sdcard, ethernet, i2c, uarts, usb, and lots of gpio (inputs and outputs). The ethernet is gigabit but has a known limitation of 40MB/s due to the bus it's connected to in the chip. (But hey, it's documented so it's not a problem, right? :) You mentioned video, and we don't have that working on freebsd imx6 yet, but there's not a ton of work to do. There's a framebuffer driver for imx5 and it has pretty much the same framebuffer hardware. Getting video output to a TTL LCD is probably just hours of work. Getting it to an LVDS LCD or HDMI probably needs days of work (entire drivers written, potentially, I haven't looked into it). Some audio support was recently committed, but I don't know much about it yet. -- Ian From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 29 00:50:42 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C6F2B60 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f179.google.com (mail-ie0-f179.google.com [209.85.223.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C5A27CCB for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:50:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f179.google.com with SMTP id x19so27245645ier.10 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 16:50:40 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=40MDe2PIsRNwj+hWVSNt/AHZHg2TAicCmffZXEw4AOU=; b=Um1Iw+QcX20jrcadzxe0m+/tBX374zz8RUQfDBLtrKeiNezBA6f1dloBRWTfF3y/uG slNecL2yXAfIzlsdCcLRl2WkeQBechSWTl3r+FtKr5kUiVhr6uJj3V5BgDIcWhVArftB bFt+QhsqEwoQp/rHTrVLIf47XNNnXRKr/RCEnsR+sxARTQjqSExzbPKQ/EOITBuDuyOp SjknbkbgkEYK+zFqoGOT4m0K+6J4I3kYTzofsqF9AuQmGULYxnkGaJt8wpuVvtiAn57W AxkSg3mbWllmqOU99Q8dxHlLQ4aADRa6SF5i9DzbeMzW87PWlI44q9sbve/7LMqA6TUW oQOQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkuyD2851AZoTJPDF0nUnS39xjd6hvQbD94oIiF+QIf6Lf6u9kzpVd8WHTlZtaYeU7KwvKmOSosaAKdfTEkQ1QRnuI9RM4fISlXn/raSh2nRyf8BEcp46KrR1rt+fjM7tGIQOiR X-Received: by 10.50.111.10 with SMTP id ie10mr6948696igb.15.1422492640625; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 16:50:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.5.136 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 16:50:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1422491760.15718.97.camel@freebsd.org> References: <20150128183231.GI58886@cicely7.cicely.de> <1422473251.15718.70.camel@freebsd.org> <20150128201440.GA73589@cicely7.cicely.de> <1422490013.15718.79.camel@freebsd.org> <1422491760.15718.97.camel@freebsd.org> From: "Lundberg, Johannes" Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 09:50:25 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: System-On-Module To: Ian Lepore Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Current , ticso@cicely.de, "freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:50:42 -0000 How about these Tegra3 boards? https://www.toradex.com/computer-on-modules/apalis-arm-family/nvidia-tegra-= 3 -- Johannes Lundberg BRILLIANTSERVICE CO., LTD. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Ian Lepore wrote: > On Thu, 2015-01-29 at 09:12 +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote: > > Ah now I see it has EDM connection. I didn't look carefully enough. All > the > > images are with the expansion board attached.. > > > > Spec-wise and portability-wise it seems like a good option but my > hardware > > guy keeps warning me about Freescale that they often have hardware bugs > and > > rather than fixing the bugs they pretend they are not there.. In other > > words, Freescale is good for software developers because of open > > documentation but not so for hardware manufactures. Any experiences wit= h > > this? > > The imx6 manuals include an errata list, so it would be good to check > that for anything specific that would matter to your projects. > > For the devices we use in our products everything is good so far with > the hardware. That's emmc, sdcard, ethernet, i2c, uarts, usb, and lots > of gpio (inputs and outputs). The ethernet is gigabit but has a known > limitation of 40MB/s due to the bus it's connected to in the chip. (But > hey, it's documented so it's not a problem, right? :) > > You mentioned video, and we don't have that working on freebsd imx6 yet, > but there's not a ton of work to do. There's a framebuffer driver for > imx5 and it has pretty much the same framebuffer hardware. Getting > video output to a TTL LCD is probably just hours of work. Getting it to > an LVDS LCD or HDMI probably needs days of work (entire drivers written, > potentially, I haven't looked into it). > > Some audio support was recently committed, but I don't know much about > it yet. > > -- Ian > > > --=20 =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- =E7=A7=98=E5=AF=86=E4=BF=9D=E6=8C=81=E3=81=AB=E3=81=A4=E3=81=84=E3=81=A6=EF= =BC=9A=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E9=9B=BB=E5=AD=90=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81= =AF=E3=80=81=E5=90=8D=E5=AE=9B=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AB=E9=80=81=E4=BF=A1=E3=81=97= =E3=81=9F=E3=82=82=E3=81=AE=E3=81=A7=E3=81=82=E3=82=8A=E3=80=81=E7=A7=98=E5= =8C=BF=E7=89=B9=E6=A8=A9=E3=81=AE=E5=AF=BE=E8=B1=A1=E3=81=A8=E3=81=AA=E3=82= =8B=E6=83=85=E5=A0=B1=E3=82=92=E5=90=AB=E3=82=93=E3=81=A7=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE= =E3=81=99=E3=80=82 =E3=82=82=E3=81=97=E3=80=81=E5=90=8D=E5=AE=9B=E4=BA=BA=E4=BB=A5=E5=A4=96=E3= =81=AE=E6=96=B9=E3=81=8C=E5=8F=97=E4=BF=A1=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C=E3=81=9F=E5=A0= =B4=E5=90=88=E3=80=81=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81=AE= =E7=A0=B4=E6=A3=84=E3=80=81=E3=81=8A=E3=82=88=E3=81=B3=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E3= =83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81=AB=E9=96=A2=E3=81=99=E3=82=8B=E4=B8=80=E5=88= =87=E3=81=AE=E9=96=8B=E7=A4=BA=E3=80=81 =E8=A4=87=E5=86=99=E3=80=81=E9=85=8D=E5=B8=83=E3=80=81=E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4= =BB=96=E3=81=AE=E5=88=A9=E7=94=A8=E3=80=81=E3=81=BE=E3=81=9F=E3=81=AF=E8=A8= =98=E8=BC=89=E5=86=85=E5=AE=B9=E3=81=AB=E5=9F=BA=E3=81=A5=E3=81=8F=E3=81=84= =E3=81=8B=E3=81=AA=E3=82=8B=E8=A1=8C=E5=8B=95=E3=82=82=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C=E3= =81=AA=E3=81=84=E3=82=88=E3=81=86=E3=81=8A=E9=A1=98=E3=81=84=E7=94=B3=E3=81= =97=E4=B8=8A=E3=81=92=E3=81=BE=E3=81=99=E3=80=82 --- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information in this email is confidential and intended solely for the addressee. 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From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 29 02:33:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7B03DDD; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 02:33:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from raven.bwct.de (raven.bwct.de [85.159.14.73]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "raven.bwct.de", Issuer "BWCT" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 638F8B71; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 02:33:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.cicely.de ([10.1.1.37]) by raven.bwct.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id t0T2XHMC033235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Jan 2015 03:33:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from cicely7.cicely.de (cicely7.cicely.de [10.1.1.9]) by mail.cicely.de (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id t0T2XEux032088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 29 Jan 2015 03:33:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from cicely7.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely7.cicely.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id t0T2XECV076173; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 03:33:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely7.cicely.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id t0T2XE7s076172; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 03:33:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 03:33:14 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: Ian Lepore Subject: Re: System-On-Module Message-ID: <20150129023314.GH73589@cicely7.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: <20150128183231.GI58886@cicely7.cicely.de> <1422473251.15718.70.camel@freebsd.org> <20150128201440.GA73589@cicely7.cicely.de> <1422490013.15718.79.camel@freebsd.org> <1422491760.15718.97.camel@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1422491760.15718.97.camel@freebsd.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely7.cicely.de 7.0-STABLE i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-1, BAYES_00=-1.9, DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL=2.699, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01 autolearn=no version=3.3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on spamd.cicely.de Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Current , "Lundberg, Johannes" , "freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org" , ticso@cicely.de X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 02:33:41 -0000 On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 05:36:00PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote: > On Thu, 2015-01-29 at 09:12 +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote: > > Ah now I see it has EDM connection. I didn't look carefully enough. All the > > images are with the expansion board attached.. > > > > Spec-wise and portability-wise it seems like a good option but my hardware > > guy keeps warning me about Freescale that they often have hardware bugs and > > rather than fixing the bugs they pretend they are not there.. In other > > words, Freescale is good for software developers because of open > > documentation but not so for hardware manufactures. Any experiences with > > this? > > The imx6 manuals include an errata list, so it would be good to check > that for anything specific that would matter to your projects. If you use a prebuild module then you don't get much in touch with the freescale chip fropm the hardware side. On the other hand, there are countless iMX6 boards out there with schematics online. My recently bought Novena even came with printed schematics and they open sourced the HW design files as well. I don't think there are hidden surprises on the hardware side. > For the devices we use in our products everything is good so far with > the hardware. That's emmc, sdcard, ethernet, i2c, uarts, usb, and lots > of gpio (inputs and outputs). The ethernet is gigabit but has a known > limitation of 40MB/s due to the bus it's connected to in the chip. (But > hey, it's documented so it's not a problem, right? :) > > You mentioned video, and we don't have that working on freebsd imx6 yet, > but there's not a ton of work to do. There's a framebuffer driver for > imx5 and it has pretty much the same framebuffer hardware. Getting > video output to a TTL LCD is probably just hours of work. Getting it to > an LVDS LCD or HDMI probably needs days of work (entire drivers written, > potentially, I haven't looked into it). Sounds interesting for my Novena. The one I already got are board only (with some FPGA breakout, ...). They have HDMI though. But I'm also awaiting for the one with case and LCD panel. Not to forget that I have a fairy EDM carrier with LCD already. That said I'v always wondered how much work is it to get the camera interface running, since the Hummingboards can connect to the RPi camera modules. > Some audio support was recently committed, but I don't know much about > it yet. > > -- Ian > > -- B.Walter http://www.bwct.de Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 29 08:18:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C46F569 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 08:18:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f177.google.com (mail-ie0-f177.google.com [209.85.223.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F535199 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 08:18:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f177.google.com with SMTP id vy18so30658905iec.8 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:18:24 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=awXFMSZLtjvB8uP+rLfmTX6AUtihxFqiT8585iJSY9s=; b=iUcAdtnN3CZmPvE9q6NIBtNOKrHG0Cnxx31hFeEHrL8HTOxDMkIKDNoTFAUIl4lo23 pEbRQm+Gr5OghuIcw2Tk1z7OwdmY1msWoZaAWlbuRUWSK5WQUlVCjwUp4oMNfQipHXJd Fba2CbugWPnd90fWGyoeI0ffe5cntbGismhLnRJzqu7spGdkBy6wa7DnTGlM4LyX9f8u Aw3AmoWwj7xhwzg/M+xw0AvVSOeEw/xpppLLUC9X/NBpA2qnl/sCPju3DQ0R5VXpAXbe tvjGXDxDBAtW65vW161Zc1sqZueL2bBlBvBLOofJlBfUxGGgvH/yyWsKNNVnWfqUsRho dpeg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnMe67F18OpYe7g1X3NaRkoX8jc5qIAacHjQT7gsyCP2FehFooxC3sXkddoBme3HRJD5tUZMHJSJOmxGvYUw7ou6XCq7wXMoou3/8FE1knmOJQBtE9ee3mTzX8+HWYK1XSIpiR5 X-Received: by 10.50.142.99 with SMTP id rv3mr908601igb.11.1422519503954; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:18:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.5.136 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:18:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20150129023314.GH73589@cicely7.cicely.de> References: <20150128183231.GI58886@cicely7.cicely.de> <1422473251.15718.70.camel@freebsd.org> <20150128201440.GA73589@cicely7.cicely.de> <1422490013.15718.79.camel@freebsd.org> <1422491760.15718.97.camel@freebsd.org> <20150129023314.GH73589@cicely7.cicely.de> From: "Lundberg, Johannes" Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:18:08 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: System-On-Module To: ticso@cicely.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Current , Ian Lepore , "freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 08:18:25 -0000 Hi All Thanks again for all the replies. How is the support for A15 and how is Qualcomm to work with when it comes to porting? Thinking about this guy which is closer to what I want spec-wise.. http://www.variscite.com/products/system-on-module-som/cortex-a15-krait/var= -som-sd600-cpu-qualcomm-snapdragon600 -- Johannes Lundberg BRILLIANTSERVICE CO., LTD. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Bernd Walter wrote: > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 05:36:00PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote: > > On Thu, 2015-01-29 at 09:12 +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote: > > > Ah now I see it has EDM connection. I didn't look carefully enough. > All the > > > images are with the expansion board attached.. > > > > > > Spec-wise and portability-wise it seems like a good option but my > hardware > > > guy keeps warning me about Freescale that they often have hardware > bugs and > > > rather than fixing the bugs they pretend they are not there.. In othe= r > > > words, Freescale is good for software developers because of open > > > documentation but not so for hardware manufactures. Any experiences > with > > > this? > > > > The imx6 manuals include an errata list, so it would be good to check > > that for anything specific that would matter to your projects. > > If you use a prebuild module then you don't get much in touch with > the freescale chip fropm the hardware side. > On the other hand, there are countless iMX6 boards out there with > schematics online. > My recently bought Novena even came with printed schematics and they > open sourced the HW design files as well. > I don't think there are hidden surprises on the hardware side. > > > For the devices we use in our products everything is good so far with > > the hardware. That's emmc, sdcard, ethernet, i2c, uarts, usb, and lots > > of gpio (inputs and outputs). The ethernet is gigabit but has a known > > limitation of 40MB/s due to the bus it's connected to in the chip. (Bu= t > > hey, it's documented so it's not a problem, right? :) > > > > You mentioned video, and we don't have that working on freebsd imx6 yet= , > > but there's not a ton of work to do. There's a framebuffer driver for > > imx5 and it has pretty much the same framebuffer hardware. Getting > > video output to a TTL LCD is probably just hours of work. Getting it t= o > > an LVDS LCD or HDMI probably needs days of work (entire drivers written= , > > potentially, I haven't looked into it). > > Sounds interesting for my Novena. > The one I already got are board only (with some FPGA breakout, ...). > They have HDMI though. > But I'm also awaiting for the one with case and LCD panel. > Not to forget that I have a fairy EDM carrier with LCD already. > That said I'v always wondered how much work is it to get the camera > interface running, since the Hummingboards can connect to the RPi > camera modules. > > > Some audio support was recently committed, but I don't know much about > > it yet. > > > > -- Ian > > > > > > -- > B.Walter http://www.bwct.de > Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm. > --=20 =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- =E7=A7=98=E5=AF=86=E4=BF=9D=E6=8C=81=E3=81=AB=E3=81=A4=E3=81=84=E3=81=A6=EF= =BC=9A=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E9=9B=BB=E5=AD=90=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81= =AF=E3=80=81=E5=90=8D=E5=AE=9B=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AB=E9=80=81=E4=BF=A1=E3=81=97= =E3=81=9F=E3=82=82=E3=81=AE=E3=81=A7=E3=81=82=E3=82=8A=E3=80=81=E7=A7=98=E5= =8C=BF=E7=89=B9=E6=A8=A9=E3=81=AE=E5=AF=BE=E8=B1=A1=E3=81=A8=E3=81=AA=E3=82= =8B=E6=83=85=E5=A0=B1=E3=82=92=E5=90=AB=E3=82=93=E3=81=A7=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE= =E3=81=99=E3=80=82 =E3=82=82=E3=81=97=E3=80=81=E5=90=8D=E5=AE=9B=E4=BA=BA=E4=BB=A5=E5=A4=96=E3= =81=AE=E6=96=B9=E3=81=8C=E5=8F=97=E4=BF=A1=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C=E3=81=9F=E5=A0= =B4=E5=90=88=E3=80=81=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81=AE= =E7=A0=B4=E6=A3=84=E3=80=81=E3=81=8A=E3=82=88=E3=81=B3=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E3= =83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81=AB=E9=96=A2=E3=81=99=E3=82=8B=E4=B8=80=E5=88= =87=E3=81=AE=E9=96=8B=E7=A4=BA=E3=80=81 =E8=A4=87=E5=86=99=E3=80=81=E9=85=8D=E5=B8=83=E3=80=81=E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4= =BB=96=E3=81=AE=E5=88=A9=E7=94=A8=E3=80=81=E3=81=BE=E3=81=9F=E3=81=AF=E8=A8= =98=E8=BC=89=E5=86=85=E5=AE=B9=E3=81=AB=E5=9F=BA=E3=81=A5=E3=81=8F=E3=81=84= =E3=81=8B=E3=81=AA=E3=82=8B=E8=A1=8C=E5=8B=95=E3=82=82=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C=E3= =81=AA=E3=81=84=E3=82=88=E3=81=86=E3=81=8A=E9=A1=98=E3=81=84=E7=94=B3=E3=81= =97=E4=B8=8A=E3=81=92=E3=81=BE=E3=81=99=E3=80=82 --- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information in this email is confidential and intended solely for the addressee. 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From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 29 09:10:48 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DDD8D4C6; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 09:10:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-x230.google.com (mail-oi0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9566C9AB; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 09:10:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f48.google.com with SMTP id v63so24739278oia.7; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 01:10:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=vQa5TRA0i4Ffbh2TtodHT3Oc1tslCDfdK0bGy2VFl9I=; b=owRIF6Sf3xUGlT8ribGB1Pv9MPmg+cafFm4txJFVRbC7kFY7/bUDl1IcCfDmZbpDsw TXqbKNeqh7eG/4dUXG1Z/cZ2mocgki3bIsm7X8HLnps/ZxD4CPS0rPSOXnQc8ACE6px5 bHG9+ZoNegU+5N6sU9oCoNL29H/p5nMwyYg8DCyzkwx2OGziXkwNezW+tCzu/Z3ZM2cz PUzmHVIfLmHkjwEfaPS0+Z0zQQm118IT9QbR+6/GY6xx8ZOrok3Ft5o0mI4vhz1z5LIT XYxtEGHSWzrXEZhVLKjXHv9dkXbyVqSHmBk0T4Sa0asSAeP0u2+ho4V5fB5IuaiWKEBA YNFw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.144.135 with SMTP id sm7mr4963173oeb.28.1422522647921; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 01:10:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.13.33 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 01:10:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20150128183231.GI58886@cicely7.cicely.de> <1422473251.15718.70.camel@freebsd.org> <20150128201440.GA73589@cicely7.cicely.de> <1422490013.15718.79.camel@freebsd.org> <1422491760.15718.97.camel@freebsd.org> <20150129023314.GH73589@cicely7.cicely.de> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:10:47 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: System-On-Module From: Ganbold Tsagaankhuu To: "Lundberg, Johannes" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Current , ticso@cicely.de, Ian Lepore , "freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 09:10:49 -0000 On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Lundberg, Johannes < johannes@brilliantservice.co.jp> wrote: > Hi All > > Thanks again for all the replies. > > How is the support for A15 and how is Qualcomm to work with when it comes > to porting? > > Thinking about this guy which is closer to what I want spec-wise.. > > http://www.variscite.com/products/system-on-module-som/cortex-a15-krait/v= ar-som-sd600-cpu-qualcomm-snapdragon600 > > > I think IFC6410 has same SoC as above SoM and as for ifc6410 either mmc/sd or usb ehci driver needed in order to boot FreeBSD into multi user mode. Ganbold > > -- > Johannes Lundberg > BRILLIANTSERVICE CO., LTD. > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Bernd Walter > wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 05:36:00PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote: > > > On Thu, 2015-01-29 at 09:12 +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote: > > > > Ah now I see it has EDM connection. I didn't look carefully enough. > > All the > > > > images are with the expansion board attached.. > > > > > > > > Spec-wise and portability-wise it seems like a good option but my > > hardware > > > > guy keeps warning me about Freescale that they often have hardware > > bugs and > > > > rather than fixing the bugs they pretend they are not there.. In > other > > > > words, Freescale is good for software developers because of open > > > > documentation but not so for hardware manufactures. Any experiences > > with > > > > this? > > > > > > The imx6 manuals include an errata list, so it would be good to check > > > that for anything specific that would matter to your projects. > > > > If you use a prebuild module then you don't get much in touch with > > the freescale chip fropm the hardware side. > > On the other hand, there are countless iMX6 boards out there with > > schematics online. > > My recently bought Novena even came with printed schematics and they > > open sourced the HW design files as well. > > I don't think there are hidden surprises on the hardware side. > > > > > For the devices we use in our products everything is good so far with > > > the hardware. That's emmc, sdcard, ethernet, i2c, uarts, usb, and lo= ts > > > of gpio (inputs and outputs). The ethernet is gigabit but has a know= n > > > limitation of 40MB/s due to the bus it's connected to in the chip. > (But > > > hey, it's documented so it's not a problem, right? :) > > > > > > You mentioned video, and we don't have that working on freebsd imx6 > yet, > > > but there's not a ton of work to do. There's a framebuffer driver fo= r > > > imx5 and it has pretty much the same framebuffer hardware. Getting > > > video output to a TTL LCD is probably just hours of work. Getting it > to > > > an LVDS LCD or HDMI probably needs days of work (entire drivers > written, > > > potentially, I haven't looked into it). > > > > Sounds interesting for my Novena. > > The one I already got are board only (with some FPGA breakout, ...). > > They have HDMI though. > > But I'm also awaiting for the one with case and LCD panel. > > Not to forget that I have a fairy EDM carrier with LCD already. > > That said I'v always wondered how much work is it to get the camera > > interface running, since the Hummingboards can connect to the RPi > > camera modules. > > > > > Some audio support was recently committed, but I don't know much abou= t > > > it yet. > > > > > > -- Ian > > > > > > > > > > -- > > B.Walter http://www.bwct.de > > Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm. > > > > -- > =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- > =E7=A7=98=E5=AF=86=E4=BF=9D=E6=8C=81=E3=81=AB=E3=81=A4=E3=81=84=E3=81=A6= =EF=BC=9A=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E9=9B=BB=E5=AD=90=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3= =81=AF=E3=80=81=E5=90=8D=E5=AE=9B=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AB=E9=80=81=E4=BF=A1=E3=81= =97=E3=81=9F=E3=82=82=E3=81=AE=E3=81=A7=E3=81=82=E3=82=8A=E3=80=81=E7=A7=98= =E5=8C=BF=E7=89=B9=E6=A8=A9=E3=81=AE=E5=AF=BE=E8=B1=A1=E3=81=A8=E3=81=AA=E3= =82=8B=E6=83=85=E5=A0=B1=E3=82=92=E5=90=AB=E3=82=93=E3=81=A7=E3=81=84=E3=81= =BE=E3=81=99=E3=80=82 > =E3=82=82=E3=81=97=E3=80=81=E5=90=8D=E5=AE=9B=E4=BA=BA=E4=BB=A5=E5=A4=96= =E3=81=AE=E6=96=B9=E3=81=8C=E5=8F=97=E4=BF=A1=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C=E3=81=9F=E5= =A0=B4=E5=90=88=E3=80=81=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81= =AE=E7=A0=B4=E6=A3=84=E3=80=81=E3=81=8A=E3=82=88=E3=81=B3=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE= =E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81=AB=E9=96=A2=E3=81=99=E3=82=8B=E4=B8=80=E5= =88=87=E3=81=AE=E9=96=8B=E7=A4=BA=E3=80=81 > =E8=A4=87=E5=86=99=E3=80=81=E9=85=8D=E5=B8=83=E3=80=81=E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE= =E4=BB=96=E3=81=AE=E5=88=A9=E7=94=A8=E3=80=81=E3=81=BE=E3=81=9F=E3=81=AF=E8= =A8=98=E8=BC=89=E5=86=85=E5=AE=B9=E3=81=AB=E5=9F=BA=E3=81=A5=E3=81=8F=E3=81= =84=E3=81=8B=E3=81=AA=E3=82=8B=E8=A1=8C=E5=8B=95=E3=82=82=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C= =E3=81=AA=E3=81=84=E3=82=88=E3=81=86=E3=81=8A=E9=A1=98=E3=81=84=E7=94=B3=E3= =81=97=E4=B8=8A=E3=81=92=E3=81=BE=E3=81=99=E3=80=82 > --- > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information in this email is confidential > and intended solely for the addressee. > Disclosure, copying, distribution or any other action of use of this > email by person other than intended recipient, is prohibited. > If you are not the intended recipient and have received this email in > error, please destroy the original message. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 29 09:27:15 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2B9E996 for ; 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Thu, 29 Jan 2015 01:27:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.43.5.136 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 01:27:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20150128183231.GI58886@cicely7.cicely.de> <1422473251.15718.70.camel@freebsd.org> <20150128201440.GA73589@cicely7.cicely.de> <1422490013.15718.79.camel@freebsd.org> <1422491760.15718.97.camel@freebsd.org> <20150129023314.GH73589@cicely7.cicely.de> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 18:27:08 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: System-On-Module From: "Lundberg, Johannes" To: Ganbold Tsagaankhuu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Current , "ticso@cicely.de" , Ian Lepore , "freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 09:27:15 -0000 What I'm most worried about is the graphics stack.. Some companies don't seem so keen on handing out specs. On Thursday, January 29, 2015, Ganbold Tsagaankhuu wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Lundberg, Johannes < > johannes@brilliantservice.co.jp > > wrote: > >> Hi All >> >> Thanks again for all the replies. >> >> How is the support for A15 and how is Qualcomm to work with when it come= s >> to porting? >> >> Thinking about this guy which is closer to what I want spec-wise.. >> >> http://www.variscite.com/products/system-on-module-som/cortex-a15-krait/= var-som-sd600-cpu-qualcomm-snapdragon600 >> >> >> > I think IFC6410 has same SoC as above SoM and as for ifc6410 either mmc/s= d > or usb ehci driver needed in order to boot FreeBSD into multi user mode. > > Ganbold > > > >> >> -- >> Johannes Lundberg >> BRILLIANTSERVICE CO., LTD. >> >> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Bernd Walter > > >> wrote: >> >> > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 05:36:00PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote: >> > > On Thu, 2015-01-29 at 09:12 +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote: >> > > > Ah now I see it has EDM connection. I didn't look carefully enough= . >> > All the >> > > > images are with the expansion board attached.. >> > > > >> > > > Spec-wise and portability-wise it seems like a good option but my >> > hardware >> > > > guy keeps warning me about Freescale that they often have hardware >> > bugs and >> > > > rather than fixing the bugs they pretend they are not there.. In >> other >> > > > words, Freescale is good for software developers because of open >> > > > documentation but not so for hardware manufactures. Any experience= s >> > with >> > > > this? >> > > >> > > The imx6 manuals include an errata list, so it would be good to chec= k >> > > that for anything specific that would matter to your projects. >> > >> > If you use a prebuild module then you don't get much in touch with >> > the freescale chip fropm the hardware side. >> > On the other hand, there are countless iMX6 boards out there with >> > schematics online. >> > My recently bought Novena even came with printed schematics and they >> > open sourced the HW design files as well. >> > I don't think there are hidden surprises on the hardware side. >> > >> > > For the devices we use in our products everything is good so far wit= h >> > > the hardware. That's emmc, sdcard, ethernet, i2c, uarts, usb, and >> lots >> > > of gpio (inputs and outputs). The ethernet is gigabit but has a kno= wn >> > > limitation of 40MB/s due to the bus it's connected to in the chip. >> (But >> > > hey, it's documented so it's not a problem, right? :) >> > > >> > > You mentioned video, and we don't have that working on freebsd imx6 >> yet, >> > > but there's not a ton of work to do. There's a framebuffer driver f= or >> > > imx5 and it has pretty much the same framebuffer hardware. Getting >> > > video output to a TTL LCD is probably just hours of work. Getting i= t >> to >> > > an LVDS LCD or HDMI probably needs days of work (entire drivers >> written, >> > > potentially, I haven't looked into it). >> > >> > Sounds interesting for my Novena. >> > The one I already got are board only (with some FPGA breakout, ...). >> > They have HDMI though. >> > But I'm also awaiting for the one with case and LCD panel. >> > Not to forget that I have a fairy EDM carrier with LCD already. >> > That said I'v always wondered how much work is it to get the camera >> > interface running, since the Hummingboards can connect to the RPi >> > camera modules. >> > >> > > Some audio support was recently committed, but I don't know much abo= ut >> > > it yet. >> > > >> > > -- Ian >> > > >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > B.Walter > >> http://www.bwct.de >> > Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm. >> > >> >> -- >> =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- >> =E7=A7=98=E5=AF=86=E4=BF=9D=E6=8C=81=E3=81=AB=E3=81=A4=E3=81=84=E3=81=A6= =EF=BC=9A=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E9=9B=BB=E5=AD=90=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3= =81=AF=E3=80=81=E5=90=8D=E5=AE=9B=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AB=E9=80=81=E4=BF=A1=E3=81= =97=E3=81=9F=E3=82=82=E3=81=AE=E3=81=A7=E3=81=82=E3=82=8A=E3=80=81=E7=A7=98= =E5=8C=BF=E7=89=B9=E6=A8=A9=E3=81=AE=E5=AF=BE=E8=B1=A1=E3=81=A8=E3=81=AA=E3= =82=8B=E6=83=85=E5=A0=B1=E3=82=92=E5=90=AB=E3=82=93=E3=81=A7=E3=81=84=E3=81= =BE=E3=81=99=E3=80=82 >> =E3=82=82=E3=81=97=E3=80=81=E5=90=8D=E5=AE=9B=E4=BA=BA=E4=BB=A5=E5=A4=96= =E3=81=AE=E6=96=B9=E3=81=8C=E5=8F=97=E4=BF=A1=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C=E3=81=9F=E5= =A0=B4=E5=90=88=E3=80=81=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81= =AE=E7=A0=B4=E6=A3=84=E3=80=81=E3=81=8A=E3=82=88=E3=81=B3=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE= =E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81=AB=E9=96=A2=E3=81=99=E3=82=8B=E4=B8=80=E5= =88=87=E3=81=AE=E9=96=8B=E7=A4=BA=E3=80=81 >> =E8=A4=87=E5=86=99=E3=80=81=E9=85=8D=E5=B8=83=E3=80=81=E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE= =E4=BB=96=E3=81=AE=E5=88=A9=E7=94=A8=E3=80=81=E3=81=BE=E3=81=9F=E3=81=AF=E8= =A8=98=E8=BC=89=E5=86=85=E5=AE=B9=E3=81=AB=E5=9F=BA=E3=81=A5=E3=81=8F=E3=81= =84=E3=81=8B=E3=81=AA=E3=82=8B=E8=A1=8C=E5=8B=95=E3=82=82=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C= =E3=81=AA=E3=81=84=E3=82=88=E3=81=86=E3=81=8A=E9=A1=98=E3=81=84=E7=94=B3=E3= =81=97=E4=B8=8A=E3=81=92=E3=81=BE=E3=81=99=E3=80=82 >> --- >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information in this email is confidential >> and intended solely for the addressee. >> Disclosure, copying, distribution or any other action of use of this >> email by person other than intended recipient, is prohibited. >> If you are not the intended recipient and have received this email in >> error, please destroy the original message. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-current@freebsd.org >> mailing >> list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g >> >> " > > > --=20 -- Johannes Lundberg BRILLIANTSERVICE CO., LTD. --=20 =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- =E7=A7=98=E5=AF=86=E4=BF=9D=E6=8C=81=E3=81=AB=E3=81=A4=E3=81=84=E3=81=A6=EF= =BC=9A=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E9=9B=BB=E5=AD=90=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81= =AF=E3=80=81=E5=90=8D=E5=AE=9B=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AB=E9=80=81=E4=BF=A1=E3=81=97= =E3=81=9F=E3=82=82=E3=81=AE=E3=81=A7=E3=81=82=E3=82=8A=E3=80=81=E7=A7=98=E5= =8C=BF=E7=89=B9=E6=A8=A9=E3=81=AE=E5=AF=BE=E8=B1=A1=E3=81=A8=E3=81=AA=E3=82= =8B=E6=83=85=E5=A0=B1=E3=82=92=E5=90=AB=E3=82=93=E3=81=A7=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE= =E3=81=99=E3=80=82 =E3=82=82=E3=81=97=E3=80=81=E5=90=8D=E5=AE=9B=E4=BA=BA=E4=BB=A5=E5=A4=96=E3= =81=AE=E6=96=B9=E3=81=8C=E5=8F=97=E4=BF=A1=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C=E3=81=9F=E5=A0= =B4=E5=90=88=E3=80=81=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81=AE= =E7=A0=B4=E6=A3=84=E3=80=81=E3=81=8A=E3=82=88=E3=81=B3=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E3= =83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81=AB=E9=96=A2=E3=81=99=E3=82=8B=E4=B8=80=E5=88= =87=E3=81=AE=E9=96=8B=E7=A4=BA=E3=80=81 =E8=A4=87=E5=86=99=E3=80=81=E9=85=8D=E5=B8=83=E3=80=81=E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4= =BB=96=E3=81=AE=E5=88=A9=E7=94=A8=E3=80=81=E3=81=BE=E3=81=9F=E3=81=AF=E8=A8= =98=E8=BC=89=E5=86=85=E5=AE=B9=E3=81=AB=E5=9F=BA=E3=81=A5=E3=81=8F=E3=81=84= =E3=81=8B=E3=81=AA=E3=82=8B=E8=A1=8C=E5=8B=95=E3=82=82=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C=E3= =81=AA=E3=81=84=E3=82=88=E3=81=86=E3=81=8A=E9=A1=98=E3=81=84=E7=94=B3=E3=81= =97=E4=B8=8A=E3=81=92=E3=81=BE=E3=81=99=E3=80=82 --- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information in this email is confidential and intended solely for the addressee. 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From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 29 11:39:40 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D6973F6; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 11:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nibbler.fubar.geek.nz (nibbler.fubar.geek.nz [199.48.134.198]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45080C07; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 11:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bender (c101.sec.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.18.101]) by nibbler.fubar.geek.nz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1837C73000; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 11:39:36 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 11:39:30 +0000 From: Andrew Turner To: "Lundberg, Johannes" Subject: Re: System-On-Module Message-ID: <20150129113930.53cfc2ff@bender> In-Reply-To: References: <20150128183231.GI58886@cicely7.cicely.de> <1422473251.15718.70.camel@freebsd.org> <20150128201440.GA73589@cicely7.cicely.de> <1422490013.15718.79.camel@freebsd.org> <1422491760.15718.97.camel@freebsd.org> <20150129023314.GH73589@cicely7.cicely.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Ganbold Tsagaankhuu , Ian Lepore , "freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Current , "ticso@cicely.de" X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 11:39:40 -0000 On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 18:27:08 +0900 "Lundberg, Johannes" wrote: > What I'm most worried about is the graphics stack.. Some companies > don't seem so keen on handing out specs. The only ARM vendor I know that has released documentation on their 3D hardware is Broadcom [1]. The only options for this are the Raspberry Pi or one of the mobile phones with a Broadcom CPU. I neither option to be applicable for your requirements. Andrew [1] http://www.broadcom.com/docs/support/videocore/VideoCoreIV-AG100-R.pdf From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 29 12:35:49 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 607CEE4A for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 12:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from raven.bwct.de (raven.bwct.de [85.159.14.73]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "raven.bwct.de", Issuer "BWCT" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E393D21D for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 12:35:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.cicely.de ([10.1.1.37]) by raven.bwct.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id t0TCZ8OA048380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:35:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from cicely7.cicely.de (cicely7.cicely.de [10.1.1.9]) by mail.cicely.de (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id t0TCZ6sH036624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:35:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from cicely7.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely7.cicely.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id t0TCZ6hH078644; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:35:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely7.cicely.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id t0TCZ50N078643; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:35:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:35:05 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: Andrew Turner Subject: Re: System-On-Module Message-ID: <20150129123505.GJ73589@cicely7.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: <1422490013.15718.79.camel@freebsd.org> <1422491760.15718.97.camel@freebsd.org> <20150129023314.GH73589@cicely7.cicely.de> <20150129113930.53cfc2ff@bender> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20150129113930.53cfc2ff@bender> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely7.cicely.de 7.0-STABLE i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-1, BAYES_00=-1.9, DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL=2.699, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01 autolearn=no version=3.3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on spamd.cicely.de Cc: "Lundberg, Johannes" , Ian Lepore , "freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Current , "ticso@cicely.de" , Ganbold Tsagaankhuu X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 12:35:49 -0000 On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:39:30AM +0000, Andrew Turner wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 18:27:08 +0900 > "Lundberg, Johannes" wrote: > > > What I'm most worried about is the graphics stack.. Some companies > > don't seem so keen on handing out specs. > > The only ARM vendor I know that has released documentation on their 3D > hardware is Broadcom [1]. The only options for this are the Raspberry > Pi or one of the mobile phones with a Broadcom CPU. I neither option to > be applicable for your requirements. On the other hand people still struggle when it comes to CPI on RPi, because it is handled by the GPU. I'm still not so sure about this Broadcom SoC. This is the reason why I like that the RPi Camera header is also used on the Hummingboard and the BanannaPi. The Hummingboard is an iMX6. The BanannaPi unfortunately is an Allwinner and their datasheets are AFAIK chinese only and IIRC also under NDA. The Novena crown funding included iMX6 2D/3D driver development for Linux as a met stretch goal: https://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop/stretch-goals https://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop I don't know how much of the results will be useable for us, but at least some people seem to have access to enough documentation. > Andrew > > [1] > http://www.broadcom.com/docs/support/videocore/VideoCoreIV-AG100-R.pdf -- B.Walter http://www.bwct.de Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 29 13:00:48 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2EB7206; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:00:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-x22b.google.com (mail-oi0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 72B3468E; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:00:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f43.google.com with SMTP id z81so26330594oif.2; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 05:00:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ehr11UifcJfdb4++jG7mwg9TRuuTaWVpcoR5FhjxbbU=; b=IURQcBrv0+zaEP1La0vwQWW+cuN0w/X4e+c46EZfKeP1uetW0KUc/2U8F4TQtjpyLE CxJJe7TYwVvsA3kpI0TPFZJgQ8GX1svvIQXX3d0bn7aVpLZ3RwwrCDPWK3crBwklH7lq ffKoQJDPFDj6UcBJ0DWeVBAvBIVTfgHfsVQziM35ZvfLiqjaeHZqUDw3rZGI6sVw/lyN W9ATs0eBI0t4WWzdZQneC8h1EejVdelCY90M/ySO05J4gS/B0gri2h9qae929MFEZd/5 rg1NMzh+cxnVAZzX9mWq7mO46oky6eW9mh9HGD0FSEWtgqA/TpROZXb3HLkZO5l6eIYO MZGg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.119.232 with SMTP id kx8mr252573obb.37.1422536447544; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 05:00:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.13.33 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 05:00:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20150128183231.GI58886@cicely7.cicely.de> <1422473251.15718.70.camel@freebsd.org> <20150128201440.GA73589@cicely7.cicely.de> <1422490013.15718.79.camel@freebsd.org> <1422491760.15718.97.camel@freebsd.org> <20150129023314.GH73589@cicely7.cicely.de> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 21:00:47 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: System-On-Module From: Ganbold Tsagaankhuu To: "Lundberg, Johannes" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Current , "ticso@cicely.de" , Ian Lepore , "freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:00:48 -0000 On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Lundberg, Johannes < johannes@brilliantservice.co.jp> wrote: > What I'm most worried about is the graphics stack.. Some companies don't > seem so keen on handing out specs. I think you can check some open source implementations for those GPU related things (only for linux maybe): For Vivante: https://github.com/laanwj/etna_viv/wiki For Adreno: http://freedreno.github.io For Mali: http://limadriver.org I guess they are mostly based on reverse engineering effort. I think you can even ask about the statuses directly from the authors/maintainers on some irc channel. Not sure about Tegra or PowerVR. Ganbold > > > On Thursday, January 29, 2015, Ganbold Tsagaankhuu > wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Lundberg, Johannes < >> johannes@brilliantservice.co.jp> wrote: >> >>> Hi All >>> >>> Thanks again for all the replies. >>> >>> How is the support for A15 and how is Qualcomm to work with when it com= es >>> to porting? >>> >>> Thinking about this guy which is closer to what I want spec-wise.. >>> >>> http://www.variscite.com/products/system-on-module-som/cortex-a15-krait= /var-som-sd600-cpu-qualcomm-snapdragon600 >>> >>> >>> >> I think IFC6410 has same SoC as above SoM and as for ifc6410 either >> mmc/sd or usb ehci driver needed in order to boot FreeBSD into multi use= r >> mode. >> >> Ganbold >> >> >> >>> >>> -- >>> Johannes Lundberg >>> BRILLIANTSERVICE CO., LTD. >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Bernd Walter >>> wrote: >>> >>> > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 05:36:00PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote: >>> > > On Thu, 2015-01-29 at 09:12 +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote: >>> > > > Ah now I see it has EDM connection. I didn't look carefully enoug= h. >>> > All the >>> > > > images are with the expansion board attached.. >>> > > > >>> > > > Spec-wise and portability-wise it seems like a good option but my >>> > hardware >>> > > > guy keeps warning me about Freescale that they often have hardwar= e >>> > bugs and >>> > > > rather than fixing the bugs they pretend they are not there.. In >>> other >>> > > > words, Freescale is good for software developers because of open >>> > > > documentation but not so for hardware manufactures. Any experienc= es >>> > with >>> > > > this? >>> > > >>> > > The imx6 manuals include an errata list, so it would be good to che= ck >>> > > that for anything specific that would matter to your projects. >>> > >>> > If you use a prebuild module then you don't get much in touch with >>> > the freescale chip fropm the hardware side. >>> > On the other hand, there are countless iMX6 boards out there with >>> > schematics online. >>> > My recently bought Novena even came with printed schematics and they >>> > open sourced the HW design files as well. >>> > I don't think there are hidden surprises on the hardware side. >>> > >>> > > For the devices we use in our products everything is good so far wi= th >>> > > the hardware. That's emmc, sdcard, ethernet, i2c, uarts, usb, and >>> lots >>> > > of gpio (inputs and outputs). The ethernet is gigabit but has a >>> known >>> > > limitation of 40MB/s due to the bus it's connected to in the chip. >>> (But >>> > > hey, it's documented so it's not a problem, right? :) >>> > > >>> > > You mentioned video, and we don't have that working on freebsd imx6 >>> yet, >>> > > but there's not a ton of work to do. There's a framebuffer driver >>> for >>> > > imx5 and it has pretty much the same framebuffer hardware. Getting >>> > > video output to a TTL LCD is probably just hours of work. Getting >>> it to >>> > > an LVDS LCD or HDMI probably needs days of work (entire drivers >>> written, >>> > > potentially, I haven't looked into it). >>> > >>> > Sounds interesting for my Novena. >>> > The one I already got are board only (with some FPGA breakout, ...). >>> > They have HDMI though. >>> > But I'm also awaiting for the one with case and LCD panel. >>> > Not to forget that I have a fairy EDM carrier with LCD already. >>> > That said I'v always wondered how much work is it to get the camera >>> > interface running, since the Hummingboards can connect to the RPi >>> > camera modules. >>> > >>> > > Some audio support was recently committed, but I don't know much >>> about >>> > > it yet. >>> > > >>> > > -- Ian >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > B.Walter http://www.bwct.de >>> > Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm. >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= 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<1422490013.15718.79.camel@freebsd.org> <1422491760.15718.97.camel@freebsd.org> From: "Lundberg, Johannes" Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 11:44:59 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: System-On-Module To: Ian Lepore Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Current , ticso@cicely.de, "freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 02:45:21 -0000 How about GPU 2D & 3D support for Vivante GC2000? There seem to be some open source driver out there but its GPL.... GPU acceleration for 2D and 3D is a must for us and if it is only a matter of a few programmers time and effort we can invest in it. Can there be any blocking things like proprietary software/hardware etc? -- Johannes Lundberg BRILLIANTSERVICE CO., LTD. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Ian Lepore wrote: > On Thu, 2015-01-29 at 09:12 +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote: > > Ah now I see it has EDM connection. I didn't look carefully enough. All > the > > images are with the expansion board attached.. > > > > Spec-wise and portability-wise it seems like a good option but my > hardware > > guy keeps warning me about Freescale that they often have hardware bugs > and > > rather than fixing the bugs they pretend they are not there.. In other > > words, Freescale is good for software developers because of open > > documentation but not so for hardware manufactures. Any experiences wit= h > > this? > > The imx6 manuals include an errata list, so it would be good to check > that for anything specific that would matter to your projects. > > For the devices we use in our products everything is good so far with > the hardware. That's emmc, sdcard, ethernet, i2c, uarts, usb, and lots > of gpio (inputs and outputs). The ethernet is gigabit but has a known > limitation of 40MB/s due to the bus it's connected to in the chip. (But > hey, it's documented so it's not a problem, right? :) > > You mentioned video, and we don't have that working on freebsd imx6 yet, > but there's not a ton of work to do. There's a framebuffer driver for > imx5 and it has pretty much the same framebuffer hardware. Getting > video output to a TTL LCD is probably just hours of work. Getting it to > an LVDS LCD or HDMI probably needs days of work (entire drivers written, > potentially, I haven't looked into it). > > Some audio support was recently committed, but I don't know much about > it yet. > > -- Ian > > > --=20 =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- =E7=A7=98=E5=AF=86=E4=BF=9D=E6=8C=81=E3=81=AB=E3=81=A4=E3=81=84=E3=81=A6=EF= =BC=9A=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E9=9B=BB=E5=AD=90=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81= =AF=E3=80=81=E5=90=8D=E5=AE=9B=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AB=E9=80=81=E4=BF=A1=E3=81=97= =E3=81=9F=E3=82=82=E3=81=AE=E3=81=A7=E3=81=82=E3=82=8A=E3=80=81=E7=A7=98=E5= =8C=BF=E7=89=B9=E6=A8=A9=E3=81=AE=E5=AF=BE=E8=B1=A1=E3=81=A8=E3=81=AA=E3=82= =8B=E6=83=85=E5=A0=B1=E3=82=92=E5=90=AB=E3=82=93=E3=81=A7=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE= =E3=81=99=E3=80=82 =E3=82=82=E3=81=97=E3=80=81=E5=90=8D=E5=AE=9B=E4=BA=BA=E4=BB=A5=E5=A4=96=E3= =81=AE=E6=96=B9=E3=81=8C=E5=8F=97=E4=BF=A1=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C=E3=81=9F=E5=A0= =B4=E5=90=88=E3=80=81=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81=AE= =E7=A0=B4=E6=A3=84=E3=80=81=E3=81=8A=E3=82=88=E3=81=B3=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E3= =83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81=AB=E9=96=A2=E3=81=99=E3=82=8B=E4=B8=80=E5=88= =87=E3=81=AE=E9=96=8B=E7=A4=BA=E3=80=81 =E8=A4=87=E5=86=99=E3=80=81=E9=85=8D=E5=B8=83=E3=80=81=E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4= =BB=96=E3=81=AE=E5=88=A9=E7=94=A8=E3=80=81=E3=81=BE=E3=81=9F=E3=81=AF=E8=A8= =98=E8=BC=89=E5=86=85=E5=AE=B9=E3=81=AB=E5=9F=BA=E3=81=A5=E3=81=8F=E3=81=84= =E3=81=8B=E3=81=AA=E3=82=8B=E8=A1=8C=E5=8B=95=E3=82=82=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C=E3= =81=AA=E3=81=84=E3=82=88=E3=81=86=E3=81=8A=E9=A1=98=E3=81=84=E7=94=B3=E3=81= =97=E4=B8=8A=E3=81=92=E3=81=BE=E3=81=99=E3=80=82 --- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information in this email is confidential and intended solely for the addressee. 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From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 31 12:24:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22BFB30B for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2015 12:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.smarty.az (mail.smarty.az [109.235.196.155]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFEAB692 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2015 12:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (unknown [109.127.44.154]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.smarty.az (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 97F67878BF; Sat, 31 Jan 2015 16:17:52 +0400 (AZT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) Subject: Re: Buying a laptop From: Javad Mustafayev In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 16:17:49 +0400 Message-Id: <67415B8B-D2FA-465C-BCE7-E73F80D19C03@smarty.az> References: To: arnab bhowmick X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 12:24:52 -0000 Hi, Arnab! Few months ago i was asking same to myself to choose = =E2=80=9Cright=E2=80=9D laptop to use as im a System administrator who = loves FreeBSD and was using it on my servers and also work desktop. So, = for laptop i have decided Mac Pro. why?=20 its ready to go Unix based system, no need to spent a lot of time to = =E2=80=9Cconfigure=E2=80=9D but not use if i need to use it in emergency = cases when FreeBSD lacks some desktop apps which i think not needed = there. So, i think FreeBSD can be installed and used on desktop/laptop = but i have decided to not go that way because i love it on my servers = and not on desktop. Also, mac has ports system which i loved more after = using it. IMHO, mac is great if you programming, managing or monitoring servers = and this laptop is real tool for me right now. -- name: Javad Mustafayev title: System Administrator company: Smarty LLC mobile: 00994.51.927.11.99 mail: javad@smarty.az web.mail: j.mustafayev@gmail.com --=20 > On Jan 31, 2015, at 15:45, arnab bhowmick = wrote: >=20 > Hi friends i want to buy a laptop. please recommend some brand that = can > easily install freebsd . please suggest me something(brand) as my old > laptop stopped working for shortcircuit and i am in great trouble. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 31 14:46:40 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C56E1FD9 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2015 14:46:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE7231F for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2015 14:46:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [204.210.114.114] ([204.210.114.114:19191] helo=localhost.hawaii.res.rr.com) by dnvrco-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 61/8F-10995-9CAECC45; Sat, 31 Jan 2015 14:46:33 +0000 Received: by localhost.hawaii.res.rr.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 275A15CA4; Sat, 31 Jan 2015 04:51:30 -1000 (HST) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 04:51:30 -1000 From: Parv To: arnab bhowmick Subject: Re: Buying a laptop - used Message-ID: <20150131145130.GA3938@holstein.holy.cow> Mail-Followup-To: arnab bhowmick , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.64.118:25 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=D9zJK5hj c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=lLOF/jpPrR0dcgWXP1EvZg==:117 a=lLOF/jpPrR0dcgWXP1EvZg==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Ymsr-CWnAAAA:8 a=YNv0rlydsVwA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=8k6WQxmsAAAA:8 a=G-TA1Nt9HDdqv_qjdJ4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 14:46:40 -0000 in message , wrote arnab bhowmick thusly... > > Hi friends i want to buy a laptop. please recommend some brand > that can easily install freebsd . please suggest me > something(brand) as my old laptop stopped working for shortcircuit > and i am in great trouble. If you are not averse to buying a used 'puter ... I am currently using a used Lenovo Thinkpad X200 with FreeBSD 8. I have not tried using or setting at all any suspend-resume setting. A 9-celll battery ([0], "47++", apparently bought new about 2-3 years ago along with the 'puter) lasts for 4.5 hours. - parv [0] http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/itemdetails/43R9255/460/D65CF46CB0DB412FA2E56C552E0D8A38#techspecs --