From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mon Feb 29 23:23:39 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5652BAB8E55 for ; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 23:23:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baptiste.daroussin@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398D1A78 for ; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 23:23:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baptiste.daroussin@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 36ADAAB8E54; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 23:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB36AB8E52; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 23:23:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baptiste.daroussin@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x229.google.com (mail-wm0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACE29A77; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 23:23:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baptiste.daroussin@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x229.google.com with SMTP id l68so12613760wml.0; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 15:23:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version :content-disposition:user-agent; bh=Rjx+/i537o8JQ+Y0pPTcnWeawkz4pG7ElGBkp97QXlw=; b=ZWxkHO4goiqJ4Gd8b3kb7bt74/agN5Mqd8H4MOwOOMG83BVqGT7uetLhXRSpHo6Zgn /7dScJJWG6iGeFch+zW/1+jC1VDbfdWeyNxL78/cVi0Fe1KqvjZaGrGcBZC/Jg3BE1qF b7cCWzb/XsnYCSzdSzYZCKgJ7+Spp2YbHTyifYOTp8RsjvbNopaJtInfDQWIH7H61gRI oVrpIL2Dg641o/rpKFJCD3HR3q/M8CrW6i1HUQAjm3K5ptFex/qDUk2U9ysTs0t8Fvpg MPij9ZreZPlyGLPAgJQ8NU4QPTRA/scmxueORYh7Y/5QUddPFfHlHJzKjWO/cJvVPBGG vlGA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mime-version:content-disposition:user-agent; bh=Rjx+/i537o8JQ+Y0pPTcnWeawkz4pG7ElGBkp97QXlw=; b=Wrz9U2J9NDlM93p6Fx7E6bLIMjDvDXSB+q2/CTXCwQiVbOcv8sAw0eGXhVB+zcqDM8 9ksN/hz27EypTJgUvMDY/gmfZLmGi4uZQtfL0wJt+cEX9L0ZJ9bREOrN8V4oqDRACoi5 rq8Otl3uYCfVx/6rXHlFzcUT/wDXp4+qPRZnoJPLtJgtR74cSlgWfcuRC/EUylwqJFz7 wSiNNHh9kw29E6qexhZfRhz0H1x2+5TsS2AP0sneyL3zOBpCia+I85axA+aGjin/9co8 Ccl1iwmcVvxyWu+4ej8ry+DvIcntcD5VXhQysdaUOH1Aa1Q/u/m+e4R3h5S0/R9TH9FE c/Ew== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKrZXFnJnZwurVpx251BGdQFBys7qd/T0O07XpSXrUrsm2REiXQhXHodHMt4B3IQA== X-Received: by 10.194.78.37 with SMTP id y5mr16939920wjw.78.1456788217183; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 15:23:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ivaldir.etoilebsd.net ([2001:41d0:8:db4c::1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w144sm18438587wmd.8.2016.02.29.15.23.36 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 29 Feb 2016 15:23:36 -0800 (PST) Sender: Baptiste Daroussin Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 00:23:34 +0100 From: Baptiste Daroussin To: current@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Dropping some locales/encodings? Message-ID: <20160229232334.GG84995@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HKEL+t8MFpg/ASTE" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 23:23:39 -0000 --HKEL+t8MFpg/ASTE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi all, I have updated few month ago the locales to cldr v27.0.1. I would like to simplify the generation of those locales from cldr to POSIX locales that we do provides. I can properly generate almost any of the said locales/encodings but a few that I would like to remove (provided that unicode version are available) Here is the list of locales/encodings: be_BY.CP1251 be_BY.CP1131 hi_IN.ISCII-DEV hy_AM.ARMSCII-8 zh_HK.Big5HKSCS Provided that those should be covered by respectively: be_BY.ISO8859-5 be_BY.UTF-8 hi_IN.UTF-8 hy_AM.UTF-8 zh_HK.UTF-8 zh_Hans_HK.UTF-8 Anyone has a strong opinion against this removal? The reason to remove those is that they are not provided by cldr Best regards, Bapt --HKEL+t8MFpg/ASTE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJW1NL2AAoJEGOJi9zxtz5aHZoP/3uNhflE9oySilU6kWWcEoU+ ayBbrDMvWIsW60Yge06lM2Tpjl+aKX3tPNLcIhh40JdKe8OOR68peJ7hjF1jQaOr J4pFQY5CxvUdd1HNOCzhGNMNHM3cN5QTq4I+1KEjZKbH+fcW13NodN8b3LfA/BG+ ndrJ1hg+QDfA4VvajxJa0kUJVu1ve7MU3e6mnAi/hhHpCy3iyyc81HxplI3oda94 n+NGXFaYF/asK6uLQWQK3rRVj+B0rEuKCUrM/mHORQKfRqaW/ww6ajc4EbViympI 1eok1dOIkpoX+Snrx5uZPM7ELwf3seiyAYJPA5SnPA+Yb6DzlUNCCb3IjMyf7JjA 3lbiVivfZAbgur5DsfFFg7T50OT3PgrKaYM8wCZKQV10BDREWUn4cof3ofYw11+P xt6vGP3aFYdT8ytGiJ0EjyO81KVBa44VN9jDzquyNzdo/Iziti0UntUMMrNiMv1L JwUWJfLQZZdQ5CcQC46dIPBrQWPJAnxIfUz52zLiaBQg2MoQpOGlXpFYgb2g2Ote yTQlylzHwYVzv7NpwvvbrcUxKo5KMilcHBvjMqXhX/n/ht8m7ye8MY4kBrUurmRV A5ONrG/wCwiNCvUQ9cBRlbXQ1HMM7EVTmwlADp8PH0A6alfRLCCrhPX92UHzDPsJ 1usFgsIJWRq52jQWmRhH =8759 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HKEL+t8MFpg/ASTE-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Tue Mar 1 03:41:12 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5ECAB841B for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2016 03:41:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sm@ara-ler.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3981EF3 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2016 03:41:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sm@ara-ler.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 7ABA7AB8417; Tue, 1 Mar 2016 03:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A615AB8416 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2016 03:41:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sm@ara-ler.com) Received: from mail-ob0-x234.google.com (mail-ob0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40E441EF1 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2016 03:41:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sm@ara-ler.com) Received: by mail-ob0-x234.google.com with SMTP id fz5so23323298obc.0 for ; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 19:41:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ara-ler-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=ZY+j+AgPosCZx3ifPME0haVA1NYNiYB/4eV5djmWC1I=; b=HVbCxiBnywddH/NZLcL1IvyCdfjfte30lzKb5b5jOH2s3txziEVdA/z4CrCF3Q/flq +yvYlGvad9sIVYucTbegLLJUdg0mB+UEBoUpKloSiht6b/zTrWPfQPY2v7rrNBRrCxqy ioJaYedYiRK/qruu3Q0+9jU9guKiEtd1XqVJzkG2T0ZMB25amAPhZAk+FteHpjJIXf5R PL1nGJ4Mz46keXTvhMzF7TyL+p02+oxYT5yXU3rRhkExhd3PTSMCK8gNgofXb7aCOkrL TlZLdcvfU9pYTJ0cDy6M9o06IvdCi8WNqC84+695ysGheE/jOkRyfAwO71WYKYnb1byy zfyA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=ZY+j+AgPosCZx3ifPME0haVA1NYNiYB/4eV5djmWC1I=; b=FTl0G0m3Cm/6P8BR7psXWVav/BaEKDqDpZToDU3DE4fyROp2FNMk8Td5qXV9LIs2Uu AHoXsgX040y+t6z5xuZH6+UH4Z5Jx/7McGEwsKe8caMjJynyb/kNkYiY++6DaFU+lKLL phDFkeMA+14r5DtuBpIp2kj4O597SL185rhMCUI9fAW7mSnkdiQlv8ReJVDTCRlZ726A Ad/Wyh5bZMgOX66RCodMvx+mKMq6Sv2NMT661s3YplwzIFb9yJtKHGBtfw/cUPz/1zdJ bE08yp4Bt1duD8PcX+vO4ivz7oO5BarsDj1PxSN7fZq6Oa7ro3XoX4nH1p4BXGh+TtpW TUXQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJIH9OopgJFdmCfuNDJ25/1NUIhQYwEJ8hZLvOSsXadJJhXaVWpf+qq1C0/uLoBCUA== X-Received: by 10.182.55.10 with SMTP id n10mr14309038obp.68.1456803671011; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 19:41:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from dendrobates.araler.com (97-122-190-138.hlrn.qwest.net. [97.122.190.138]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l136sm20338661oib.5.2016.02.29.19.41.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 29 Feb 2016 19:41:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 20:41:08 -0700 From: Sergey Manucharian To: Baptiste Daroussin Cc: current@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dropping some locales/encodings? Message-ID: <20160301034108.GG52633@dendrobates.araler.com> References: <20160229232334.GG84995@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160229232334.GG84995@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 04:27:58 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 03:41:12 -0000 Excerpts from Baptiste Daroussin's message from Tue 01-Mar-16 00:23: > > I would like to remove (provided that unicode version are available) > > Here is the list of locales/encodings: > > be_BY.CP1251 > be_BY.CP1131 > hi_IN.ISCII-DEV > hy_AM.ARMSCII-8 > zh_HK.Big5HKSCS > > Provided that those should be covered by respectively: > be_BY.ISO8859-5 be_BY.UTF-8 > hi_IN.UTF-8 > hy_AM.UTF-8 > zh_HK.UTF-8 zh_Hans_HK.UTF-8 > > Anyone has a strong opinion against this removal? > Well, as a locale hy_AM.ARMSCII-8 is definitely not needed. However, as an encoding it's still useful: sometimes I (and probably some other people) need to convert some "ancient" documents from ARMSCII-8 to UTF-8. I do not think that the removing it will prevent such conversion anyway (e.g. with iconv), correct? Sergey P.S. 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To: Baptiste Daroussin , current@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org References: <20160229232334.GG84995@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> From: Andrey Chernov Message-ID: <56D502BD.9020704@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 05:47:25 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160229232334.GG84995@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="j9i60uE0mGJcG9pJuMHkRGdMLSn7tW7s7" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 04:36:28 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --j9i60uE0mGJcG9pJuMHkRGdMLSn7tW7s7 From: Andrey Chernov To: Baptiste Daroussin , current@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <56D502BD.9020704@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Dropping some locales/encodings? References: <20160229232334.GG84995@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> In-Reply-To: <20160229232334.GG84995@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 01.03.2016 2:23, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > Hi all, >=20 > I have updated few month ago the locales to cldr v27.0.1. I would like = to > simplify the generation of those locales from cldr to POSIX locales tha= t we do > provides. >=20 > I can properly generate almost any of the said locales/encodings but a = few that > I would like to remove (provided that unicode version are available) >=20 > Here is the list of locales/encodings: >=20 > be_BY.CP1251 CP1251 is Windows native (single characters mode) and widely used to represent Cyrillic: Russian, Bulgarian, Serbian, Ukrainian, Belarusian (i.e. be_BY), Macedonian. IMHO it will be better to not remove it to make easy handling of native encoded texts comes from Windows. 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[97.122.190.138]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y85sm20369447oif.6.2016.02.29.19.45.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 29 Feb 2016 19:45:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 20:45:44 -0700 From: Sergey Manucharian To: Andrey Chernov Cc: Baptiste Daroussin , current@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dropping some locales/encodings? Message-ID: <20160301034544.GH52633@dendrobates.araler.com> References: <20160229232334.GG84995@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <56D502BD.9020704@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <56D502BD.9020704@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 04:59:00 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 03:45:48 -0000 Excerpts from Andrey Chernov's message from Tue 01-Mar-16 05:47: > On 01.03.2016 2:23, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > > > I can properly generate almost any of the said locales/encodings but a few that > > I would like to remove (provided that unicode version are available) > > > > Here is the list of locales/encodings: > > > > be_BY.CP1251 > > CP1251 is Windows native (single characters mode) and widely used to > represent Cyrillic: Russian, Bulgarian, Serbian, Ukrainian, Belarusian > (i.e. be_BY), Macedonian. IMHO it will be better to not remove it to > make easy handling of native encoded texts comes from Windows. > I agree with Andrey that CP1251 is needed as one of major Cyrillic encodings. Not sure how the locale existence/absence effects that. Definitely nobody uses it as a locale for more than a decade. Sergey From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Tue Mar 1 08:00:37 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B053ABABDC for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2016 08:00:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baptiste.daroussin@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B0B71FEF for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2016 08:00:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baptiste.daroussin@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 24A83ABABD8; Tue, 1 Mar 2016 08:00:37 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A598ABABD6; Tue, 1 Mar 2016 08:00:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baptiste.daroussin@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x233.google.com (mail-wm0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 968A41FEB; Tue, 1 Mar 2016 08:00:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baptiste.daroussin@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x233.google.com with SMTP id l68so21407567wml.1; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 00:00:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=8xh7HBQOFuBX8XZ8v8iC8YUbICcrSEu1SuN6oVj+zPo=; b=ngBK/0MhtRlaZBGrotWTd/kYY5cHJ1SNSgno9uk6au6lL2JzPtI58pnucUGlyTu/V1 S9Ua0qP7YFVSSfoIB0yfT/ChxrKE/+847/zTf97dz8Hv+r74mc42tnzvim+irQQ7EATa TenM5jU4x+vmqyT6Oeq9M6srr9kESZAiaXmLT6XxLn1gsYbDeEPEvgHcuWgfkGY3FXLh b9Q9oHMYgf9gk3nT7vrRJMKBTHevdBtfoofnUNKHGZjH+rcQy0QMBBJUCSbVGiZehkqv owBYHpjXC2X2LqKRpox3D9h6ZhYXTWoF7R7YbgotaPIn7nQJeQ2Na1VSE8wkfzsMVROv xwyw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=8xh7HBQOFuBX8XZ8v8iC8YUbICcrSEu1SuN6oVj+zPo=; b=B2DPLf0qAbF2AOUL1UCmPnl8DqbcqTpQ5+usmRomuhTkBqCvtISTWZyH3Ux47vIAKQ PKawCGcr/2X4X0wNCdhq5xHva8aG1fvQ/Gz37hh/RkzVet+MnnC3avhDT4AwsVPHzfHx NwYoM/UPgEsYxTh9ixksoyb5XZ2jwYnhobByoKqxObpaUH/snhf3oWIwANn61iv1kmum N1Fa2C5yKqBljb1Ujts5cs5ZKaZ8ttqGJBIRxoVqPsxNk6LpZkcxyRmysTepSFuEBO19 /tinO5ub0X2tVnoX8GGnpbVRpqMmXcEpJs6tFSxA1pdSvP20K3fgDSkfivGJzt0ccVn4 jkLw== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKLMwKvcRyLqJNeurUzitJU8dNlGPy0XClB5asjhus4Ae3pDGZ5hESeSAQoHBbjGg== X-Received: by 10.28.9.71 with SMTP id 68mr2079952wmj.33.1456819235016; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 00:00:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ivaldir.etoilebsd.net ([2001:41d0:8:db4c::1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id jf6sm8625152wjb.2.2016.03.01.00.00.33 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 01 Mar 2016 00:00:34 -0800 (PST) Sender: Baptiste Daroussin Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 09:00:32 +0100 From: Baptiste Daroussin To: Sergey Manucharian Cc: current@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dropping some locales/encodings? Message-ID: <20160301080031.GA31877@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> References: <20160229232334.GG84995@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <20160301034108.GG52633@dendrobates.araler.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160301034108.GG52633@dendrobates.araler.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 08:00:37 -0000 --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 08:41:08PM -0700, Sergey Manucharian wrote: > Excerpts from Baptiste Daroussin's message from Tue 01-Mar-16 00:23: > >=20 > > I would like to remove (provided that unicode version are available) > >=20 > > Here is the list of locales/encodings: > >=20 > > be_BY.CP1251 > > be_BY.CP1131 > > hi_IN.ISCII-DEV > > hy_AM.ARMSCII-8 > > zh_HK.Big5HKSCS > >=20 > > Provided that those should be covered by respectively: > > be_BY.ISO8859-5 be_BY.UTF-8 > > hi_IN.UTF-8 > > hy_AM.UTF-8 > > zh_HK.UTF-8 zh_Hans_HK.UTF-8 > >=20 > > Anyone has a strong opinion against this removal? > >=20 >=20 > Well, as a locale hy_AM.ARMSCII-8 is definitely not needed. However, as > an encoding it's still useful: sometimes I (and probably some other peopl= e) > need to convert some "ancient" documents from ARMSCII-8 to UTF-8. >=20 > I do not think that the removing it will prevent such conversion anyway > (e.g. with iconv), correct? Yes iconv will still be able to do such conversion (I will double check) >=20 > Sergey >=20 > P.S. 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Message-ID: <20160301080422.GC31877@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> References: <20160229232334.GG84995@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <56D502BD.9020704@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0vzXIDBeUiKkjNJl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <56D502BD.9020704@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 08:04:27 -0000 --0vzXIDBeUiKkjNJl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 01, 2016 at 05:47:25AM +0300, Andrey Chernov wrote: > On 01.03.2016 2:23, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > Hi all, > >=20 > > I have updated few month ago the locales to cldr v27.0.1. I would like = to > > simplify the generation of those locales from cldr to POSIX locales tha= t we do > > provides. > >=20 > > I can properly generate almost any of the said locales/encodings but a = few that > > I would like to remove (provided that unicode version are available) > >=20 > > Here is the list of locales/encodings: > >=20 > > be_BY.CP1251 >=20 > CP1251 is Windows native (single characters mode) and widely used to > represent Cyrillic: Russian, Bulgarian, Serbian, Ukrainian, Belarusian > (i.e. be_BY), Macedonian. IMHO it will be better to not remove it to > make easy handling of native encoded texts comes from Windows. >=20 > Don't know about other mentioned. >=20 Ok Given the replies I will then change the way I'm looking at it and see i= f I can provide static version of those instead of removing and generate all ot= hers =66rom cldr. 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Message-ID: <20160301095450.GD31877@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> References: <20160229232334.GG84995@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <56D502BD.9020704@freebsd.org> <20160301034544.GH52633@dendrobates.araler.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zS7rBR6csb6tI2e1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 09:54:55 -0000 --zS7rBR6csb6tI2e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 01, 2016 at 10:58:37AM +0200, Daniel Kalchev wrote: >=20 > > On 1.03.2016 =D0=B3., at 5:45, Sergey Manucharian wrot= e: > >=20 > > Excerpts from Andrey Chernov's message from Tue 01-Mar-16 05:47: > >> On 01.03.2016 2:23, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > >>>=20 > >>> I can properly generate almost any of the said locales/encodings but = a few that > >>> I would like to remove (provided that unicode version are available) > >>>=20 > >>> Here is the list of locales/encodings: > >>>=20 > >>> be_BY.CP1251 > >>=20 > >> CP1251 is Windows native (single characters mode) and widely used to > >> represent Cyrillic: Russian, Bulgarian, Serbian, Ukrainian, Belarusian > >> (i.e. be_BY), Macedonian. IMHO it will be better to not remove it to > >> make easy handling of native encoded texts comes from Windows. > >>=20 > >=20 > > I agree with Andrey that CP1251 is needed as one of major Cyrillic > > encodings. > >=20 > > Not sure how the locale existence/absence effects that. Definitely nobo= dy > > uses it as a locale for more than a decade. > >=20 >=20 > I use daily bg_BG.CP1251 on a lot of workstations, primarily to handle ol= d text documents and source code that contains pre-UTF text. I could imagin= e similar use case for be_BY.CP1251. >=20 > What benefit does it bring to remove an already existing locale? The benefit is the fact we have no source for those and collation for one a= re wrong for those. (We have added proper collation support in head). But given the feedback I got I will provide them as static (aka non evolving anymore) while others would get refreshed so no locales will be lost and th= at will allow us to continue refreshing others. 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From: Daniel Kalchev In-Reply-To: <20160301034544.GH52633@dendrobates.araler.com> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 10:58:37 +0200 Cc: Andrey Chernov , Baptiste Daroussin , current@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20160229232334.GG84995@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <56D502BD.9020704@freebsd.org> <20160301034544.GH52633@dendrobates.araler.com> To: Sergey Manucharian X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 12:10:44 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 09:26:00 -0000 > On 1.03.2016 =D0=B3., at 5:45, Sergey Manucharian = wrote: >=20 > Excerpts from Andrey Chernov's message from Tue 01-Mar-16 05:47: >> On 01.03.2016 2:23, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>>=20 >>> I can properly generate almost any of the said locales/encodings but = a few that >>> I would like to remove (provided that unicode version are available) >>>=20 >>> Here is the list of locales/encodings: >>>=20 >>> be_BY.CP1251 >>=20 >> CP1251 is Windows native (single characters mode) and widely used to >> represent Cyrillic: Russian, Bulgarian, Serbian, Ukrainian, = Belarusian >> (i.e. be_BY), Macedonian. IMHO it will be better to not remove it to >> make easy handling of native encoded texts comes from Windows. >>=20 >=20 > I agree with Andrey that CP1251 is needed as one of major Cyrillic > encodings. >=20 > Not sure how the locale existence/absence effects that. Definitely = nobody > uses it as a locale for more than a decade. >=20 I use daily bg_BG.CP1251 on a lot of workstations, primarily to handle = old text documents and source code that contains pre-UTF text. I could = imagine similar use case for be_BY.CP1251. What benefit does it bring to remove an already existing locale? 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To: Baptiste Daroussin , Daniel Kalchev References: <20160229232334.GG84995@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <56D502BD.9020704@freebsd.org> <20160301034544.GH52633@dendrobates.araler.com> <20160301095450.GD31877@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> Cc: Sergey Manucharian , current@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org From: Andrey Chernov Message-ID: <56D5CAFF.8020107@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 20:01:51 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160301095450.GD31877@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="c1GMjnfjOtU02RJ5KCrtCxvEBhKfMhJIU" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 17:09:43 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --c1GMjnfjOtU02RJ5KCrtCxvEBhKfMhJIU From: Andrey Chernov To: Baptiste Daroussin , Daniel Kalchev Cc: Sergey Manucharian , current@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <56D5CAFF.8020107@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Dropping some locales/encodings? References: <20160229232334.GG84995@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <56D502BD.9020704@freebsd.org> <20160301034544.GH52633@dendrobates.araler.com> <20160301095450.GD31877@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> In-Reply-To: <20160301095450.GD31877@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 01.03.2016 12:54, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >> What benefit does it bring to remove an already existing locale? >=20 > The benefit is the fact we have no source for those and collation for o= ne are > wrong for those. (We have added proper collation support in head). Unicode mapping for CP1251 (0x98 is undefined) http://www.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/VENDORS/MICSFT/WINDOWS/CP1251.TXT Collation is the same as in CLDR --=20 http://ache.vniz.net/ --c1GMjnfjOtU02RJ5KCrtCxvEBhKfMhJIU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJW1csAAAoJEKUckv0MjfbKoacIAKbJg6L3dc4+pQZQAJHXngay rKul89GtGmcQpoYWRB85cU5p5AWEHFahCcbDrMiJPg7hjPv7NMFTqDCf8INJLAeD kU9eworZBNAngtJm/J/t31Jp6W06atROx+QjZtFHpzXcIrlGMwsa893+wVKsmKuw bg7wkI0gxzxRaarqUyfZY6/axJtWiNcTeo5p9GhxIWdAYPzw8a4k29TDkOrdb2ub JmL4VRBq5bgBlHLHtzuqV3/56lRkBTti4tXFoDNTI+aXyTP8YqyDqYJ22WdkR/jI /9uQ9c7qGzuUgGj/lNyE7VI4Zwsu6Kxe0NXqa+172QbU7iR9nkWSHoaPrvbJjEU= =D9oG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --c1GMjnfjOtU02RJ5KCrtCxvEBhKfMhJIU-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Fri Mar 4 17:20:08 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7C49DB856; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 17:20:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mw+freebsd@barfooze.de) Received: from hindenburg.barfooze.de (smtp6.barfooze.de [IPv6:2001:bc8:397c:500::25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "", Issuer "" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74849BE9; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 17:20:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mw+freebsd@barfooze.de) Received: from barfooze.de (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by hindenburg.barfooze.de (8.14.9/8.14.9) with SMTP id u24HK4IA015242; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 18:20:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mw+freebsd@barfooze.de) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 18:20:04 +0100 From: Moritz Wilhelmy To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Location of the SSL CA root store (affects fetch(1) from base, ftp/wget, ftp/curl, and probably all software using OpenSSL) Message-ID: <20160304172003.GD26392@barfooze.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160301025156.GC26392@barfooze.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2016 17:20:08 -0000 Hello, First off, I've been considering to report this as multiple bugs and it is a tough decision for me because I think there should be more internal discussion about what the project thinks about the official location for CA root certificate storage, so I'm sending this to the lists instead, and hoping I reach the right people. Please excuse any mistakes in this regard, I'm new on the lists. Is there a guideline or official stance regarding where software should look for the CA Root certificate store? If not, I think there should be. Tested on FreeBSD 10.1 with curl 7.47.0 and wget 1.16 with OpenSSL from the base system and no OpenSSL port installed. fetch ===== fetch looks for CA root certificates in /usr/local/etc/ssl/certs, which seems counterintuitive given that it is part of the base system. Command used (for easy copy-pasting): $ truss fetch -o /dev/null https://cacert.org 2>&1 | grep ^open wget ==== ftp/wget only looks at /etc/ssl/certs, which is again counterintuitive given that it's a 3rd party package installed via the ports framework. $ truss wget -O /dev/null https://cacert.org 2>&1 | grep ^open curl ==== curl with the ca-root-nss option only looks at the file installed by that package that contains all NSS root certificates, but it completely ignores the CA certificate storage at /etc/ssl/certs as well as ${LOCALBASE}/etc/ssl/certs, instead it only ever looks at ${LOCALBASE}/share/certs/ca-root-nss.crt, where a sysadmin can't add certificates without their changes being overwritten by subsequent updates to the CA bundle package. (I've confirmed this via truss(1) but curl -v prints this path as well). I haven't tried recompiling curl without the option to see where it would look for root certificates. $ truss curl -o /dev/null https://cacert.org 2>&1 | grep ^open Best regards, Moritz From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Fri Mar 4 17:24:21 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02719DBB2F for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 17:24:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from allanjude@freebsd.org) Received: from mx1.scaleengine.net (mx1.scaleengine.net [209.51.186.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93378F6 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 17:24:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from allanjude@freebsd.org) Received: from [10.1.1.2] (unknown [10.1.1.2]) (Authenticated sender: allanjude.freebsd@scaleengine.com) by mx1.scaleengine.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F3119DBDA for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 17:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Location of the SSL CA root store (affects fetch(1) from base, ftp/wget, ftp/curl, and probably all software using OpenSSL) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <20160304172003.GD26392@barfooze.de> From: Allan Jude Message-ID: <56D9C4BA.1080901@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 12:24:10 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160304172003.GD26392@barfooze.de> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vPPCAQStQeSusQ81fPnrJarbC5sbMoBWB" X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2016 17:24:22 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --vPPCAQStQeSusQ81fPnrJarbC5sbMoBWB Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IJc4AJ0T6aw7QqxWBsfm4Bv188bOXMLVM" From: Allan Jude To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <56D9C4BA.1080901@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Location of the SSL CA root store (affects fetch(1) from base, ftp/wget, ftp/curl, and probably all software using OpenSSL) References: <20160304172003.GD26392@barfooze.de> In-Reply-To: <20160304172003.GD26392@barfooze.de> --IJc4AJ0T6aw7QqxWBsfm4Bv188bOXMLVM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2016-03-04 12:20, Moritz Wilhelmy wrote: > Hello, >=20 > First off, I've been considering to report this as multiple bugs and it= > is a tough decision for me because I think there should be more interna= l > discussion about what the project thinks about the official location fo= r > CA root certificate storage, so I'm sending this to the lists instead, > and hoping I reach the right people. Please excuse any mistakes in this= > regard, I'm new on the lists. >=20 > Is there a guideline or official stance regarding where software should= > look for the CA Root certificate store? If not, I think there should be= =2E >=20 > Tested on FreeBSD 10.1 with curl 7.47.0 and wget 1.16 with OpenSSL from= > the base system and no OpenSSL port installed. >=20 > fetch > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > fetch looks for CA root certificates in /usr/local/etc/ssl/certs, which= > seems counterintuitive given that it is part of the base system. >=20 > Command used (for easy copy-pasting): > $ truss fetch -o /dev/null https://cacert.org 2>&1 | grep ^open >=20 > wget > =3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > ftp/wget only looks at /etc/ssl/certs, which is again counterintuitive > given that it's a 3rd party package installed via the ports framework. >=20 > $ truss wget -O /dev/null https://cacert.org 2>&1 | grep ^open >=20 > curl > =3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > curl with the ca-root-nss option only looks at the file installed by > that package that contains all NSS root certificates, but it completely= > ignores the CA certificate storage at /etc/ssl/certs as well as > ${LOCALBASE}/etc/ssl/certs, instead it only ever looks at > ${LOCALBASE}/share/certs/ca-root-nss.crt, where a sysadmin can't add > certificates without their changes being overwritten by subsequent > updates to the CA bundle package. (I've confirmed this via truss(1) but= > curl -v prints this path as well). >=20 > I haven't tried recompiling curl without the option to see where it > would look for root certificates. >=20 > $ truss curl -o /dev/null https://cacert.org 2>&1 | grep ^open >=20 >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Moritz > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" >=20 This recent patch may be of interest to you: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/lib/libfetch/common.c?revision=3D294= 326&view=3Dmarkup --=20 Allan Jude --IJc4AJ0T6aw7QqxWBsfm4Bv188bOXMLVM-- --vPPCAQStQeSusQ81fPnrJarbC5sbMoBWB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJW2cS+AAoJEBmVNT4SmAt+s/sP/2kvoTKYxHJY+qAQLJIFdkSE oUcNrS1ZkYGgg0AOldjPhOgJPp1whewt0W3HWaT099rMozkZALX0JjXiI0bss4Zr AGwaTvghKcoFJErPvncUN8Z9v+iUVFD9OCFpzY+0JBek1IE/VIP+7KJAI+LmsdJk x/DNksPXE1to6jVHOmXwUwtQLV1Yrg4uD4xAfxH6iplIMzwkGD7roc0v/wXeXZsz 9Wq45rWdC4K9JHn3ukmyLmxdVptQYk6ofcUrPYLoRWq+fj/+Fe7ZGsGKPx3ch1fU VkkNlqUNNWOdxnjyjrgY95EMkF4BwxLJpS7/qPTvkc5h90PnMAuw99k4HaoHoZhk mgI6Mq5AufLcKjvdxhv+iCuqSiSYHNcx13j72Xo3Cjm2+HPV1U84FXmqpXEoS6DR 1IZZlhtSOeOKBy4vtspTc+/A3lueWNfSgt/03N0qqpA+MfAlH8O4mZcYLNYrTOGJ Xfv6yoNygXO2+einHhvejtP6PzRgCIBhB8hmEPGwCxfhx5PBOL3KiRUWHBIu5hp9 OkY3jjPXMNrvYhifbL4e4ShjGclj/r15zg2k8FQSe1KG6qO57SKJXxxPbdN0cGa6 do0IdbuI2R602ZndqxdDbzj3HvQ+um/Jkcy+lQ5K+CrQBpEWm0DcGG/PSpWSiOAn o8XhFNMpk/6JyVTy07a2 =fjXN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vPPCAQStQeSusQ81fPnrJarbC5sbMoBWB-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Fri Mar 4 18:54:44 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E64A09FE8 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 18:54:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tom@ycombinator.com) Received: from mail-yw0-x22c.google.com (mail-yw0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90510E6F for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 18:54:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tom@ycombinator.com) Received: by mail-yw0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id b72so49023896ywe.0 for ; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 10:54:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ycombinator.com; s=google; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=gdXdwCGYCheHKyn460iIC2igCnLnQz1cV+FllNDbjwg=; b=UV2y+mPEgalym3MhZUnIkVrnE3zD42/fK3emxrkkusOLY3BilRooekDBRK99vsEXOA +s7z2BtL6SkKykwxhBjBWkQUJFtQm2ouIsmzckvP5KYbvBc1txuQAscd2m/5iFd6GpZp Ru5E6v/MYyUtTLQ+K5hbAjcdjj1WeMDhOZbUw= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=gdXdwCGYCheHKyn460iIC2igCnLnQz1cV+FllNDbjwg=; b=l7XF4DJCTx/BbPzgT7hhwtxXBHVYzjlSauM++bVetu+JqKntUVic+9uECkkfTR7mY8 PJ6fxO8DsKk9IDKAFGr6hBMoHuZVSW8YNSjr+mNVFM9EXh5xXwUvqlw9obMFm6XyiqPO ZEPgIS4pgDCe1acWsvh+C3DhKXzAVuvlqIJMHbwv1VkrV4m4Zm/6mzx5TNv+KyveU2B4 Oflj5ZOVuwTl2fXllzwmX10csrYRPFgsDMsxar9PfRVjT0FJ5qOQh6Lvjqbg5zDtJ3xH fI5sPOoxk+xm2vA+ZtxhJ6dYpCMdXve5zkWfvypF2PMJyz0+bRKHD8J35yOXjCnKTDyF miEg== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJK9TzQgTQUIa9ECII0gC6gN9a+Zwle/6phoilbOTnrNyMb7HCmYlYIO+43zJAHiGDJeMfV2zDlQwa96Eyqo MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.129.105.3 with SMTP id e3mr5120524ywc.237.1457117683229; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 10:54:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.214.12 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 10:54:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 10:54:43 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Pic32 toolchain support From: Tom Sparks To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 04 Mar 2016 18:59:22 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.21 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2016 18:54:44 -0000 Has anyone looked at using FreeBSD for working with PIC32 based devices? I poked around with pic32prog and couldn't get it working, I'm taking a look at "piklab" to see if that works. I'm mostly interested so I can use FreeBSD as a host platform to work with RetroBSD/LiteBSD. I would appreciate any pointers. -- Tom Sparks Systems Engineer From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Fri Mar 4 20:09:14 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A039DBE2C for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 20:09:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@eg.sd.rdtc.ru) Received: from hz.grosbein.net (hz.grosbein.net [78.47.246.247]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hz.grosbein.net", Issuer "hz.grosbein.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86C03F21 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 20:09:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@eg.sd.rdtc.ru) Received: from eg.sd.rdtc.ru (root@eg.sd.rdtc.ru [62.231.161.221]) by hz.grosbein.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u24JfYu8073583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 4 Mar 2016 20:41:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from eugen@eg.sd.rdtc.ru) X-Envelope-From: eugen@eg.sd.rdtc.ru X-Envelope-To: tom@ycombinator.com Received: from eg.sd.rdtc.ru (eugen@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eg.sd.rdtc.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u24JfTgA099221 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 5 Mar 2016 02:41:29 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from eugen@eg.sd.rdtc.ru) Received: (from eugen@localhost) by eg.sd.rdtc.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id u24JfSsb099220; Sat, 5 Mar 2016 02:41:28 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from eugen) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 02:41:28 +0700 From: Eugene Grosbein To: Tom Sparks Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pic32 toolchain support Message-ID: <20160304194128.GA99204@rdtc.ru> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,LOCAL_FROM, RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Report: * 0.0 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain * -2.3 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% * [score: 0.0000] * 2.6 LOCAL_FROM From my domains X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on hz.grosbein.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2016 20:09:15 -0000 On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 10:54:43AM -0800, Tom Sparks wrote: > Has anyone looked at using FreeBSD for working with PIC32 based devices? > > I poked around with pic32prog and couldn't get it working, I'm taking a > look at "piklab" to see if that works. > > I'm mostly interested so I can use FreeBSD as a host platform to work with > RetroBSD/LiteBSD. > > I would appreciate any pointers. Have you asked RetroBSD creator Serge Vakulenko directly? He is long-time FreeBSD enthusiast and should know the answer. 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I am most interested in something security-related (and as I need a project for a security class at my university, going for security would allow/force me to dedicate more time to this). I am aware that "starting with security" sounds like a horrible idea, and I would like to try anyway. Non-trivial is OK (in fact, good). Any suggestions? (BTW, I have seen PR 206607 - Update base OpenSSL to 1.0.2, but that probably wouldn't be accepted for my school project.) Thank you! 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[37.152.18.171]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o7sm1610680lfb.15.2016.03.05.14.53.08 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 05 Mar 2016 14:53:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Looking for security-related intro project To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: From: "m.bryn1u" Message-ID: <56DB6352.8010600@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 23:53:06 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2016 22:53:12 -0000 Try hardenedbsd.org U will find there many security features :) On 05.03.2016 23:45, Kamila Součková wrote: > Hello, > > I am looking for a project that would help me get started with contributing > to FreeBSD. I am most interested in something security-related (and as I > need a project for a security class at my university, going for security > would allow/force me to dedicate more time to this). I am aware that > "starting with security" sounds like a horrible idea, and I would like to > try anyway. Non-trivial is OK (in fact, good). Any suggestions? > > (BTW, I have seen PR 206607 - Update base OpenSSL to 1.0.2, but that > probably wouldn't be accepted for my school project.) > > Thank you! > > Kamila > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sat Mar 5 23:15:15 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44386A139E9 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2016 23:15:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asomers@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-x235.google.com (mail-ob0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E8EB9CD for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2016 23:15:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asomers@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ob0-x235.google.com with SMTP id ts10so79003942obc.1 for ; Sat, 05 Mar 2016 15:15:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=mXKs82LLkw8ySlf+KiUYSoBvidyq+cyS8Smheh+HhPs=; b=cRUuD7N8HGaxlyVGDIUj5gKQKCzN2izWwxWAppksc8Ri96ftPXl6QTHNNw3lVjP6mr YH9gRpMsP1/0t3f7RNWnlKvyNn93DCK+2KtI9Z0r7MJ7W7C1MTdy/oJ9D/9RmOhkPlxJ VO1DvPAgmRyIOWnm0pHSmQjvGixO4Oh6kYUEoqtEeimIlcSSczTnPTh2/sTuIzqLAAjB xvnrRjq/CAbOq+zGEGVcmZFwyDgLTZ6kJmggLGlv9cEPjtrZnkeNb94tLh9xhVy5vj6I zQaoDuhX/OVqr6U1UpvzMYy8I/Ur59nDoslJzppSjM1GhCN6Nw+Z4HQYhYejcvwGSZwJ 1I7w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=mXKs82LLkw8ySlf+KiUYSoBvidyq+cyS8Smheh+HhPs=; b=jwUHCIW4Em0kHRWdsw+ryfm4ZQp4a0Y7g+E7/OkDEbAC47jaL+KgmeMJRlukccgBrA 5lJyK7Mnkv5F7/o+hK6mDvjOqk68ajYJmLICQUGsAvVbhkZk0wXxkqsmKs+jezJaPpYT UmAwGvE+262FWu8AISb7sxXEmACCn+aao3WdcnRQ5eXB5s+vJfXIz6MZPXr+HwzWmSlS 1kBbFsrHFkS5BqS2owb5UzipMZ47AikqKydLwfOIioMv6ocYGX9QJePS6kWERx8yPQge NLqNjxyxGfyQ07xqV5EMNnm+hwE1SvWx4KQ22ISQmcBjs1KstlZFXG+jypnuyJMSwOWl DlRg== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJIgB13L8gesDgyH4yytA6hz9E1Bs1C3nNvncn63qP4nMrrltdBJKObbXxDho4gsaSeg+v5x0PSAvKXswA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.34.167 with SMTP id a7mr10108721obj.41.1457219713718; Sat, 05 Mar 2016 15:15:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.64.138 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Mar 2016 15:15:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 16:15:13 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looking for security-related intro project From: alan somers To: =?UTF-8?B?S2FtaWxhIFNvdcSNa292w6E=?= Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.21 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2016 23:15:15 -0000 On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Kamila Sou=C4=8Dkov=C3=A1 w= rote: > Hello, > > I am looking for a project that would help me get started with contributi= ng > to FreeBSD. I am most interested in something security-related (and as I > need a project for a security class at my university, going for security > would allow/force me to dedicate more time to this). I am aware that > "starting with security" sounds like a horrible idea, and I would like to > try anyway. Non-trivial is OK (in fact, good). Any suggestions? > > (BTW, I have seen PR 206607 - Update base OpenSSL to 1.0.2, but that > probably wouldn't be accepted for my school project.) > > Thank you! > > Kamila > _______________________________________________ > > How about adding Capsicum support to your favorite daemon? It never hurts to sandbox anything with an IP socket. -Alan