From owner-freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org Fri May 27 05:15:50 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sysinstall@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD8BB46AF5 for ; Fri, 27 May 2016 05:15:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C1131E36 for ; Fri, 27 May 2016 05:15:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from bugs.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id u4R5FnUM012218 for ; Fri, 27 May 2016 05:15:49 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: freebsd-sysinstall@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 209415] [bsdinstall] zfsboot: Do not mirror swap when swapsize is 0 Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 05:15:50 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Base System X-Bugzilla-Component: misc X-Bugzilla-Version: 11.0-CURRENT X-Bugzilla-Keywords: install, patch X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Some People X-Bugzilla-Who: ganael.laplanche@corp.ovh.com X-Bugzilla-Status: Closed X-Bugzilla-Resolution: FIXED X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: freebsd-sysinstall@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: resolution bug_status Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Sysinstall Work List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 05:15:50 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D209415 Ganael LAPLANCHE changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Resolution|--- |FIXED Status|New |Closed --- Comment #2 from Ganael LAPLANCHE --- Thanks Allan ! --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.= From owner-freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org Fri May 27 05:46:38 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sysinstall@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30DBCB4C0A2 for ; Fri, 27 May 2016 05:46:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20F211C65 for ; Fri, 27 May 2016 05:46:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from bugs.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id u4R5kb2i085903 for ; Fri, 27 May 2016 05:46:37 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: freebsd-sysinstall@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 208630] [bsdinstall] zfsboot: Do not add swap to fstab when swapsize is 0 Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 05:46:38 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Base System X-Bugzilla-Component: misc X-Bugzilla-Version: 11.0-CURRENT X-Bugzilla-Keywords: install, patch X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Some People X-Bugzilla-Who: ganael.laplanche@corp.ovh.com X-Bugzilla-Status: Closed X-Bugzilla-Resolution: FIXED X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: freebsd-sysinstall@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: resolution bug_status Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Sysinstall Work List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 05:46:38 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D208630 Ganael LAPLANCHE changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Resolution|--- |FIXED Status|In Progress |Closed --- Comment #3 from Ganael LAPLANCHE --- Thanks Allan ! --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.= From owner-freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org Fri May 27 05:46:50 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sysinstall@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A53FB4C0B9 for ; Fri, 27 May 2016 05:46:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2AB481C86 for ; Fri, 27 May 2016 05:46:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from bugs.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id u4R5knnr086342 for ; Fri, 27 May 2016 05:46:50 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: freebsd-sysinstall@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 208629] [bsdinstall] zfsboot: Add new "BIOS+UEFI" boot type Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 05:46:50 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Base System X-Bugzilla-Component: misc X-Bugzilla-Version: 11.0-CURRENT X-Bugzilla-Keywords: install, patch, uefi X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Some People X-Bugzilla-Who: ganael.laplanche@corp.ovh.com X-Bugzilla-Status: Closed X-Bugzilla-Resolution: FIXED X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: freebsd-sysinstall@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: bug_status resolution Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Sysinstall Work List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 05:46:50 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D208629 Ganael LAPLANCHE changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|In Progress |Closed Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #3 from Ganael LAPLANCHE --- Thanks Allan ! --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.= From owner-freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org Fri May 27 09:28:37 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sysinstall@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9E4B4A840 for ; Fri, 27 May 2016 09:28:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from crodr001@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x22f.google.com (mail-io0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 853A31CC4; Fri, 27 May 2016 09:28:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from crodr001@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id f8so68672560ioe.3; Fri, 27 May 2016 02:28:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc; bh=egXSniOZsArD4TNULifOW26YfS+LUHiOYgnh+ljOzoQ=; b=hwLgbYAIn2Qw+wdFyApdzwjefIZndHJxb+kg2NMUAR9oYxn4mBB6Lqwd4S7UHXqnRj Zrb6h3RFfTQouYTVSRGSn2C5Q6NMJ/r/0tiRB201ZtQ25o1XNW49r6gSa1b0UBrZqG66 I3LkgzB11D6AqUbZbfWYBy8NtE5CVxWDgNRqeHjENEYWJQgAuK7IbyxzyoYf2BD5nHbx wuIDNHMlYGnYIXp9uZ1R228tYUwbpoq+qAhlUwgNB+WMDJgMeMKAXkNS0o070/Ol1Frp 2c6Lu/CP1geVgIph8E9OrsSfs6OzyaLdI8nnSln0EF+AGQVLxuILl+fsVDIgxf9Lb5pi EDMQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=egXSniOZsArD4TNULifOW26YfS+LUHiOYgnh+ljOzoQ=; b=g4U1WhZR7O53zQNFK3FxiT8y7Fy5EqaVhk4JRpuYQA37ayN2V6vkggmh6sA+YJNh5a wB+p/SzjVvraxpuRYATW/21i8Sa8SLnJZRkdH9NYPeR1GEYtvxT9+QEYYShiWI+kiqye gvFa8ZhFDchP4fsjM5ReKDYRcUv/rPJNNqyx55Lum+nFyajE7QxHrhAEDaNsJOb9c2mc Qu6NCA4u0pxSot368/IrPvpYM1c994MCtM/+frJ5+sXuVI9V1b/DXNaVfy5LDhvhDzWe aPXQZiLXwkZGPGc4FdOiXsJPUkpgM9StFSPkbteLA19WqhEe+Hh2EIvdnIaoAOIW3pEv onug== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLa6UR8SpTels6GEUpbY8gwHGNa7Q5TTzY6Yv+5iUb0Jc7WL9W4ow+G43XpIOcS4KQxlnJNvdS2ndd/kA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.11.18 with SMTP id v18mr13572118ioi.184.1464341316965; Fri, 27 May 2016 02:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Sender: crodr001@gmail.com Received: by 10.50.144.164 with HTTP; Fri, 27 May 2016 02:28:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 02:28:36 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: oZ5xkPluKBRS1dtzTWVhoBhJWlI Message-ID: Subject: Fwd: Add option to sysinstall to install an X desktop, similar to Debian? From: Craig Rodrigues To: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org Cc: Allan Jude , Alfred Perlstein Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Sysinstall Work List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 09:28:37 -0000 [Resending due to message size restriction of freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org ] Hi, I recently had to install Debian Linux 8.4.0 in a VM to test some things I was working on. I was pleasantly surprised by how easy it was to use Debian's text-based installer and get a usable desktop system up and running very quickly. I really liked the menu option that allows you select a desktop environment (one of GNOME, Xfce, KDE, Cinnamon, MATE, or LXDE). I have a screenshot: https://people.freebsd.org/~rodrigc/debian_desktop_installer.png Allan, do you think it would be possible to copy a subset of this Debian screen to the FreeBSD installer, with the option to install a desktop set to OFF by default? I'm sure that there are lots of opinions about which desktop to choose, but having a menu with 6 options to choose from seems quite reasonable to start with. Thanks. -- Craig From owner-freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org Fri May 27 14:42:09 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sysinstall@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2645B4B7E7 for ; Fri, 27 May 2016 14:42:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from allanjude@freebsd.org) Received: from mx1.scaleengine.net (mx1.scaleengine.net [209.51.186.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DFB7167F; Fri, 27 May 2016 14:42:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from allanjude@freebsd.org) Received: from [10.1.1.2] (unknown [10.1.1.2]) (Authenticated sender: allanjude.freebsd@scaleengine.com) by mx1.scaleengine.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8C266D76B; Fri, 27 May 2016 14:42:03 +0000 (UTC) From: Allan Jude Subject: Re: Fwd: Add option to sysinstall to install an X desktop, similar to Debian? To: Craig Rodrigues , freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org References: Cc: Alfred Perlstein Message-ID: <43826ffc-baef-a625-596a-71585e33b35d@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 10:42:03 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Sysinstall Work List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 14:42:10 -0000 On 2016-05-27 05:28, Craig Rodrigues wrote: > [Resending due to message size restriction of > freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org ] > > > Hi, > > I recently had to install Debian Linux 8.4.0 in a VM to test some things > I was working on. I was pleasantly surprised by how easy it was > to use Debian's text-based installer and get a usable desktop system up > and running very quickly. > > I really liked the menu option that allows you select a desktop environment > (one of GNOME, Xfce, KDE, Cinnamon, MATE, or LXDE). > I have a > screenshot: https://people.freebsd.org/~rodrigc/debian_desktop_installer.png > > Allan, do you think it would be possible to copy a subset of this Debian > screen to the > FreeBSD installer, with the option to install a desktop set to OFF by > default? > I'm sure that there are lots of opinions about which desktop to choose, > but having a menu with 6 options to choose from seems quite reasonable > to start with. > > Thanks. > > -- > Craig > I started building something like this after our interview with Alfred. It has gnome3, MATE, KDE4, and xfce4. I ran into a few problems with things not working out-of-the-box. If you install mate and gdm, it defaults to logging you in to a very very stripped down gnome-shell that is pulled in as a dependency of gdm. If you actually install the gnome3 metapackage, it adds like 300 more packages, and then the gnome-shell actually has applications in it. KDE4 works ok. xfce doesn't have a login manager. xdm doesn't have a startup script, you'd have to edit /etc/ttys to make it start at boot. kdm4 can't be installed as a separate package. gdm will default to starting gnome instead of xfce, even if the gnome package is not installed. I tried 'slim', but it always launches: 'exec /bin/sh - ~/.xinitrc %session' and files if that file does not exist in the user's home directory. So I got a little stalled out on it. -- Allan Jude From owner-freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org Fri May 27 15:02:24 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sysinstall@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8888B4BD1E for ; Fri, 27 May 2016 15:02:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from crodr001@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ig0-x229.google.com (mail-ig0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91E6B1323; Fri, 27 May 2016 15:02:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from crodr001@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ig0-x229.google.com with SMTP id fh2so66945953igd.1; Fri, 27 May 2016 08:02:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc; bh=+6k7uzNKgE2K5NbRK7uOL2LgKeWLUSZWYrkkL5I2kk0=; b=oxHRK/Z/km7j4y8jVWhytzx6GCorF7vT5rAgeAne2fWmbzbMpD2eDfJEvkToqm1gD+ fXRyAWNCn9HNUXfItnuT7jm0UM1TrBYhtzmSaYOP2zqKvRC0ltB3WIOb5yquZdkMrWX9 N86dph67ReIW6eC2S9Pzd3xC900cuzIidXuI3eYA6t4tmF3Dlibp3Tubrjuxgz/EpoE8 vUNTkPfoj54T8GaOD3aEhMChz+XhKeSZQ+nJftMuQhV7Z29gHrlHShnCcPJucryAxkTo yjb8ZrINkuZ3WXcW/IaILawmNVFEOLdyU+jELpYbstsbQQXRTi/LZLscNGO10GUPlRII MB2A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=+6k7uzNKgE2K5NbRK7uOL2LgKeWLUSZWYrkkL5I2kk0=; b=Co7rCZVHy76CoMe/aoeIbh4CkKJXr1BHJTEcr8FT9oG7jFR6McwULzKdyfJtRtrCag MuL3mjP4jjO1bO627xY8izSDSz437oL0gvqe8dQdvcboJalbi45k83ugOHX9q4IPXBbU 4EaOXChCU3y0twVVVuHFSVBx7IFTl6U/f9P6OYs6qDOot/28d2tQhH/CBweAtJ78JLKG YCXGz7FclNxPkGxN00ZcirAbyigNY4Ml4XsHMEoNsjDjWndSXIfENF3pTp4ZialBiWhq DOsz1/yfBnWQ7O0Cdy3bTYQ7aC2b/pWV/p7U9Iq61h/Yo2rPBdWPAzLW6q4B/shmZbL6 c63Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJgF0C9SNt6q/dp4JloI4663HTANr9iCfqyMThotKFOkCrYs65EZvRDX5b7Kv+khyoq+UCUZR9xTWrbOQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.18.198 with SMTP id y6mr8263072igd.86.1464361344008; Fri, 27 May 2016 08:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Sender: crodr001@gmail.com Received: by 10.50.144.164 with HTTP; Fri, 27 May 2016 08:02:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <43826ffc-baef-a625-596a-71585e33b35d@freebsd.org> References: <43826ffc-baef-a625-596a-71585e33b35d@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 08:02:23 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: rMlqYqklcm49RjXdRqSMLpgBjfY Message-ID: Subject: Re: Add option to sysinstall to install an X desktop, similar to Debian? From: Craig Rodrigues To: Allan Jude Cc: "freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org" , Alfred Perlstein Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Sysinstall Work List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 15:02:24 -0000 On Friday, May 27, 2016, Allan Jude wrote: > On 2016-05-27 05:28, Craig Rodrigues wrote: > > [Resending due to message size restriction of > > freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org >] > > I started building something like this after our interview with Alfred. > > It has gnome3, MATE, KDE4, and xfce4. > > I ran into a few problems with things not working out-of-the-box. > > If you install mate and gdm, it defaults to logging you in to a very > very stripped down gnome-shell that is pulled in as a dependency of gdm. > If you actually install the gnome3 metapackage, it adds like 300 more > packages, and then the gnome-shell actually has applications in it. > > KDE4 works ok. > > xfce doesn't have a login manager. xdm doesn't have a startup script, > you'd have to edit /etc/ttys to make it start at boot. kdm4 can't be > installed as a separate package. gdm will default to starting gnome > instead of xfce, even if the gnome package is not installed. I tried > 'slim', but it always launches: 'exec /bin/sh - ~/.xinitrc %session' and > files if that file does not exist in the user's home directory. > > So I got a little stalled out on it. Thanks for blazing the trail on this. This is "boring" usability stuff, but important. Even by trying this stuff out and hitting roadblocks, you have done a lot. Can the MATE and xfce4 issues be solved in the port installation scripts? Or are there more fundamental issues in FreeBSD blocking things? Are there solutions to these problems in PC-BSD that we can import? -- Craig From owner-freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org Fri May 27 16:37:16 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sysinstall@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196C0B4B6AE for ; Fri, 27 May 2016 16:37:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alfred@freebsd.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [IPv6:2001:470:1f05:b76::196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA141318; Fri, 27 May 2016 16:37:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alfred@freebsd.org) Received: from Alfreds-MacBook-Pro-2.local (unknown [IPv6:2601:645:8003:a4d6:10ad:3db6:aeb5:d21b]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8B857346DE2F; Fri, 27 May 2016 09:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Add option to sysinstall to install an X desktop, similar to Debian? To: Craig Rodrigues , Allan Jude References: <43826ffc-baef-a625-596a-71585e33b35d@freebsd.org> Cc: "freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org" From: Alfred Perlstein Organization: FreeBSD Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 09:37:15 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Sysinstall Work List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 16:37:16 -0000 Allan, From a product manager's perspective (I've done this a few times), I would suggest surfacing (showing to the user) the ONLY option that works the best and that you have the time to maintain. Think of it this way: New user -> just give them something that definitely works and is comprehensive and requires little "thought". If they need to edit weird dotfiles to customize, then it's not the right default choice for users. Average user / power-user -> Give them nothing, if they don't want the default, they will find a way. Expert user -> same as average/power user. Along those lines, the only option should be KDE or gnome. Pick one. If you feel you must include the other options the mark them "for experts only", and trust me, an expert should be able to take the time to install what they need by hand. -Alfred On 5/27/16 8:02 AM, Craig Rodrigues wrote: > > > On Friday, May 27, 2016, Allan Jude > wrote: > > On 2016-05-27 05:28, Craig Rodrigues wrote: > > [Resending due to message size restriction of > > freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org > >] > > I started building something like this after our interview with > Alfred. > > It has gnome3, MATE, KDE4, and xfce4. > > I ran into a few problems with things not working out-of-the-box. > > If you install mate and gdm, it defaults to logging you in to a very > very stripped down gnome-shell that is pulled in as a dependency > of gdm. > If you actually install the gnome3 metapackage, it adds like 300 more > packages, and then the gnome-shell actually has applications in it. > > KDE4 works ok. > > xfce doesn't have a login manager. xdm doesn't have a startup script, > you'd have to edit /etc/ttys to make it start at boot. kdm4 can't be > installed as a separate package. gdm will default to starting gnome > instead of xfce, even if the gnome package is not installed. I tried > 'slim', but it always launches: 'exec /bin/sh - ~/.xinitrc > %session' and > files if that file does not exist in the user's home directory. > > So I got a little stalled out on it. > > > > Thanks for blazing the trail on this. > This is "boring" usability stuff, but important. > Even by trying this stuff out and hitting roadblocks, you have done a lot. > > Can the MATE and xfce4 issues be solved in the port installation > scripts? Or are there more fundamental issues in FreeBSD blocking > things? Are there solutions to these problems in PC-BSD that we can > import? > > -- > Craig From owner-freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org Fri May 27 17:58:59 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sysinstall@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD4BB4CD3C for ; Fri, 27 May 2016 17:58:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from crodr001@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x230.google.com (mail-io0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3346919A2; Fri, 27 May 2016 17:58:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from crodr001@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x230.google.com with SMTP id p64so35758853ioi.2; Fri, 27 May 2016 10:58:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc; bh=3YKK1HWR994SKhlhzmhnyy5CA8mAiq58VlGQMAZit0U=; b=oV1q9HgsMqdgvCtHw4u04vEd8umMrQHHUk28iS1vgpvPjYGeK8tF21mSeIzBegakqP zJ4DTViYAErAckDOfOpLWX2lsHcHn20+XXLifBIsrJ2WpGiLdkxretO19XTDG0OjToGg EhOZFj1TYmoSXR666pFbr5K3rPBjWIOecQH+W3a5CgzJZ/sXIBycdiux2p+zzl8AZnTe lu5A29uiGokuBKR2bU8PFn9GeE9Vh1TVpCmD1NukdkINsuimMH16Kash6iHa1XHO6/FA BUuxcqw8LHITdRcprSz5l4nVdomX70d/BBFLJhIMDn58Lyjo3wferw8X3BZdlnv3maaz Wetg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=3YKK1HWR994SKhlhzmhnyy5CA8mAiq58VlGQMAZit0U=; b=KL22Y6QUthPaTjqCXXZ9ermJlhyVFV6epVwD0XxW8pMwkPS4ODbAo7+gziVUCrAfm9 3tvar6BnAb0f77KjBvp2BjVjJG2vuXFEWmkkO+Q6jutAd6dIMTQE3bxsn6VHeI/tcrem 7MZ3EaE4i1oaTPy5rb0UL+kSe8JqaV2KO6EPdJmAKYJYP6GIhFrWKJv2mE4sTn2NYBsk TETWP/BwujB6d2QHTUOS2h1013uafi8rzCRVtuESNTa+qKoZCcB54jzrqkPLyC4jc6K6 asWFQ04OBJ3yHrIGOM4wwpWySLpGRVvL8urol1qi+6UfBXKJ2tUTSQ1vh9+dI10SoQtx mEew== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLIHlqpBmFrkx+elw9RRANulBHULj6yjlKqlVPuLqqQBEhk8Le49Ej0wxd6C0oHIvg8aMdSBbnrhVk2pg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.164.224 with SMTP id d93mr14890099ioj.80.1464371938545; Fri, 27 May 2016 10:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Sender: crodr001@gmail.com Received: by 10.50.144.164 with HTTP; Fri, 27 May 2016 10:58:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <43826ffc-baef-a625-596a-71585e33b35d@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 10:58:58 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: aoXFCt8I33NkT-mwwF3rz2yaMuo Message-ID: Subject: Add option to sysinstall to install an X desktop, similar to Debian? From: Craig Rodrigues To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: Allan Jude , "freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Sysinstall Work List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 17:58:59 -0000 On Friday, May 27, 2016, Alfred Perlstein > wrote: > Allan, > > From a product manager's perspective (I've done this a few times), I would > suggest surfacing (showing to the user) the ONLY option that works the best > and that you have the time to maintain. > > Think of it this way: > > New user -> just give them something that definitely works and is > comprehensive and requires little "thought". If they need to edit weird > dotfiles to customize, then it's not the right default choice for users. > > Average user / power-user -> Give them nothing, if they don't want the > default, they will find a way. > > Expert user -> same as average/power user. > > Along those lines, the only option should be KDE or gnome. Pick one. > > If you feel you must include the other options the mark them "for experts > only", and trust me, an expert should be able to take the time to install > what they need by hand. > We'll said Alfred. I agree with all your points. For folks who favor alternatives to KDE, hopefully they will be motivated to help fix the install scripts for those ports, so they can work out of the box from a menu installation. -- Craig