From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Sun Jun 25 00:26:16 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87AC9DA868B for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 00:26:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@karels.net) Received: from mail.karels.net (mail.karels.net [63.231.190.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC407D362; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 00:26:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@karels.net) Received: from [10.0.2.11] (mjk-mac2.karels.net [10.0.2.11]) by mail.karels.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v5P0Ob0H094571; Sat, 24 Jun 2017 19:24:37 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mike@karels.net) From: "Mike Karels" To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: "Poul-Henning Kamp" , "Jeremie Le Hen" , "Mark Linimon" , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: rtools were deemed almost unused 15 years ago... Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 19:24:33 -0500 Message-ID: <4081124D-D70E-40FD-B29C-E542D887FA2A@karels.net> In-Reply-To: <201706221553.v5MFrCgM098459@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> References: <201706221553.v5MFrCgM098459@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.6r5347) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 00:26:16 -0000 On 22 Jun 2017, at 10:53, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> -------- >> In message <20170621034106.GA27501@lonesome.com>, Mark Linimon writes: >>> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 12:36:37PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: >>>> Keep the telnet client. It's still heavily used for more things than >>>> connecting to telnetd. >>> >>> e.g. dumb remote power controllers. >>> >>> nc blah 23 doesn't get me very far, am I missing a magic flag? >> >> No, you're missing TELNET option negotiations. > > nc -t well do that for you. (I only know this because I just went > and read the man page for nc as someone mentioned it in this > thread and I wanted to know if infact it supports telnet option > negatiation.) > > But this does NOT mean I agree with removal of telnet/telnetd. > > Isnt this whole discussion kinda pointless if you consider > this well be handle by packaged base? Those who want these > in there systems can have them, and those that think telnet/ > telnetd are a bigger security risk than nc can also remove > them. A belated +1 for removing most of the rtools, which were basically a proof of concept many, many years ago. I agree with keeping telnet, which I use constantly to connect to ports other than 23; I have mixed feelings about telnetd, but I haven=E2=80=99t enabled it in many years. Mike From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Sun Jun 25 13:09:32 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0FBD913F3 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 13:09:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slw@zxy.spb.ru) Received: from zxy.spb.ru (zxy.spb.ru [195.70.199.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F0D06E5A6; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 13:09:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slw@zxy.spb.ru) Received: from slw by zxy.spb.ru with local (Exim 4.86 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1dP7I3-000DgJ-9U; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:09:23 +0300 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:09:23 +0300 From: Slawa Olhovchenkov To: Jeremie Le Hen Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rtools were deemed almost unused 15 years ago... Message-ID: <20170625130923.GD18123@zxy.spb.ru> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: slw@zxy.spb.ru X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zxy.spb.ru); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 13:09:32 -0000 On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 10:29:22PM +0200, Jeremie Le Hen wrote: > So the first step was to create a port with FreeBSD rcmds, here we > are! But I need some eyes to vet it: > https://reviews.freebsd.org/D11345 1. Create port 2. Port unmantained 3. Port broken 4. Port removed. 5. Lack of functionality.