From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Sun May 21 12:57:35 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1355ED764A0 for ; Sun, 21 May 2017 12:57:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023D11D1A for ; Sun, 21 May 2017 12:57:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id EE4C9D7649D; Sun, 21 May 2017 12:57:34 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB698D7649A; Sun, 21 May 2017 12:57:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:6074::16:84]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C07571D17; Sun, 21 May 2017 12:57:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1235) id EA53E399B; Sun, 21 May 2017 12:57:33 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 14:57:33 +0200 From: Baptiste Daroussin To: arch@freebsd.org Cc: doceng@freebsd.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: The futur of the roff toolchain Message-ID: <20170521125733.bmd4tmq6iqpsbvgl@ivaldir.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7hq7von4owswjfay" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170428 (1.8.2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 12:57:35 -0000 --7hq7von4owswjfay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi all, I have been working for a while to try to import a modern roff toolchain into base. I didn't like the initial approach that consisted in simply removing all roff toolchain in base. Recap of the situation in base: * We have GNU roff version 1.19.2 in base (latest GPLv2 version). Lots of bug fixes has been made upstream in newer version (GPLv3) in particular regarding unicode but not only. (and we cannot update it anymore) * GNU roff is now only used to generate the documentation in share/doc and as a fallback for manpages which mandoc does not support. On the manpages front: * No manpages in base are not supported by mandoc except groff manpages themselves * man(1) can fallback on ports version of groff if installed (for ports not providing manpages not compatible with mandoc) Alternatives to GNU roff: * Heirloom doctools (which I tried to import) licensed both CDDL/BSD (in C) * neartoff http://litcave.rudi.ir/ BSD licensed (in C) I went the road of using heirloom doctools it is 90% compatible with GNU roff, good enough for all our base roff based documents. After getting down that road for a while, including lots of patches sent upstream (thanks them for being so reactive and integrating them quickly as well as fixing the issues I wasn't able to fix myself quickly). The problem is there are lot of corner small corner cases where heirloom is different from GNU roff and hard to make it compatible. While this is corner cases, it breaks document generation for some large documents people are writing. Those users could use (and actually would benefit a lot from it) GNU roff from the ports tree, but have to be careful about the path of the tool they call to ensure only calling the one from GNU roff and not the one (with the same name) from heirloom doctools. Concerning neatroff it is barely compatible with GNU roff, so not an option (last I tested at least). I would like to change this approach and get back to the initial approach taken by others before I jumped in and I would like just entirely remove the roff toolchain from base and let people rely on GNU roff from ports. man(1) is already asking the user to install groff from ports if the manpage cannot be read with mandoc. No the problem left is documentations available in share/doc. I would like to push them elsewhere. Those documents are mostly useful for historical reason (hence we want to keep them) but not really for daily use of modern FreeBSD. Another issue with those documentation, they are installed as text/ascii version in base, which makes most of them not really readable (as the documents has not be written for a ascii/text target but more for a PDF/html view - using pic(1) for example) A plan was to push as sources in the svn doc repository and continue to build them. This approach also have an issue: over the time roff evolved a bit and while working on heirloom doctools import I had to fix a bunch of markup to make the rendering of those documents clean (also meaning almost noone should read them considering some were not really readable). What I want to propose now, it to render them as PDF (html?) once and push them somewhere (to be defined) as static document on our documentation website. Please doceng@ provide me a location where to push them. And then remove bsd.doc.mk from FreeBSD 12.0 along with the removal of groff. I also want to remove most of roff related tools (the one provided by toolchains available in ports) for which we kept a BSD version (not really maintained in base): namely: - checknr - vgrind - colcrt Only keeping: - col (useful in other places than roff) - soelim (also used for manpages and we have a clean BSD licensed version which is also now parts of mandoc) Best regards, Bapt --7hq7von4owswjfay Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEgOTj3suS2urGXVU3Y4mL3PG3PloFAlkhjrsACgkQY4mL3PG3 Plof0xAAp9HnRo/zDKuaxA9HJrs7XCBnjlC7rquZ2+Jkw5iNhLT1Toc8iA24/bHE IwgTg85oIDfssYwIfElr8QWHMarRHolFcOtypg+i6laF3CTLdRpi9zmVxW0ws7s8 0Tkt1FxwIAuZLLDydC9DXdsblCfvkaY4oMt9/A/62QuE2lsh1QroPRwfhdIhRNgR U+hr/b1s2kkDVNJ7z/cEx8YB/njiZIAtmhqNuVR+Ef37nhMyiuevPVCvuDp8qtu1 1kAvQ6TvII6XlyB15M8l/kf7CPFZt88Jy1Ku3wxwEpRy0t+TXA17kBY3KiS8UMys ANnkChdwIKZv65Vo039zlD2GB+yHCyTG4lD7XAiqnrveLqkADUHhLgzAuhRROYft AiQna1vYt/afXmZv8CcKCZkrd9yFo4kdI1pPgl+6pFovQU6nRTUGTibHyjzpHdGd uCtRt+0hSs0VfRtReFGNd7H7yJAFAesSbvum9au4qAguMq90IVx3yAZe10rFfPX1 fDPoL0JXk/aSSrN/j0blc6y1++pdsjnNIDktOuhyRjEMqVsJvZ8gQxeJSVRJK7Do UudXSxMEFBhUt8MiUv0Y0giUMnTnCKR/iFcgvrkNZ2796pP8p8HXZf30Po2xVKAj fFndsFENUI2VbpsjuPG6cdCAx/EipE1QO3RFWuDu4eTpkOHkNLY= =dx7e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7hq7von4owswjfay-- From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Sun May 21 13:32:11 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B79ABD76F27 for ; Sun, 21 May 2017 13:32:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corvid@openmailbox.org) Received: from mail.openmailbox.org (lb1.openmailbox.org [5.79.108.160]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FB64E43 for ; Sun, 21 May 2017 13:32:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corvid@openmailbox.org) Received: by mail.openmailbox.org (Postfix, from userid 20002) id F1A0B5105F0; Sun, 21 May 2017 15:32:07 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=openmailbox.org; s=openmailbox; t=1495373528; bh=l5f/UxhFnHiPlySqF3dAhmN2rVAHK2UkQ1TxS/HUHDE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=ygyFc5LOenT1jhZcjNSXRjWeRMp+5nXq6rR3TCSFmugOaQgRSj+wygdx1rWepHHF0 o/2LoBEcrh742SaiTeLrUSdxHhVT2DbYWUwfZxj/YIbDYWXuDtuybjSpgL4Z5Bx9pw tSiBH85gXhnIqRp4OvQSJ+D5Sa5vKxAjFrWwZ2q4= Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 13:33:50 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=openmailbox.org; s=openmailbox; t=1495373527; bh=l5f/UxhFnHiPlySqF3dAhmN2rVAHK2UkQ1TxS/HUHDE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=aB0f2HxKADDc5G4BiZ6aLQwhvW/Xkw+h6WkCaGAHChv/QPvor9USuUpgIUJzzoYUg lEpUYuqV7mnsyNkS92qn97c8ezGpdtLy0jq5kC8yj5n6TrwZwa746Z9BMo80SCVJh4 +LO1+ShlGSsK/HLfs5bLxwZgoLt1/RVZex9X5onc= From: corvid To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: handbook: 7.7 Image Scanners devfs.rules Message-ID: <20170521133349.GB7812@g170.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 13:32:11 -0000 In the handbook, section 7.7, near the bottom, it reads: > Then, make the /dev/ugen0.2 symlink and the /dev/usb/0.2.0 device node accessible to the usb group with write permissions of 0660 or 0664 by adding the following lines to /etc/devfs.rules: > [system=5] > add path ugen0.2 mode 0660 group usb > add path usb/0.2.0 mode 0666 group usb The 0666 sounds like a typo. From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Sun May 21 15:05:14 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14832D779EB for ; Sun, 21 May 2017 15:05:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 045AF286 for ; Sun, 21 May 2017 15:05:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from bugs.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v4LF5Ddl077716 for ; Sun, 21 May 2017 15:05:13 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 219434] Fix typos in usr.sbin/efivar/efivar.8 Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 15:05:14 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: new X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Component: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Only Me X-Bugzilla-Who: olgeni@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Status: New X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: bug_id short_desc product version rep_platform op_sys bug_status bug_severity priority component assigned_to reporter attachments.created Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 15:05:14 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D219434 Bug ID: 219434 Summary: Fix typos in usr.sbin/efivar/efivar.8 Product: Documentation Version: Latest Hardware: Any OS: Any Status: New Severity: Affects Only Me Priority: --- Component: Documentation Assignee: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Reporter: olgeni@FreeBSD.org Created attachment 182775 --> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=3D182775&action= =3Dedit efivar.8 fixes Fixed a few typos in efivar.8. --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.= From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Sun May 21 19:22:26 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278D6D7799C for ; 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Sun, 21 May 2017 21:22:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 21:22:21 +0200 From: Joel Dahl To: Baptiste Daroussin Cc: arch@freebsd.org, doceng@freebsd.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The futur of the roff toolchain Message-ID: <20170521192221.GA74941@ymer.vnode.se> Mail-Followup-To: Baptiste Daroussin , arch@freebsd.org, doceng@freebsd.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org References: <20170521125733.bmd4tmq6iqpsbvgl@ivaldir.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20170521125733.bmd4tmq6iqpsbvgl@ivaldir.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.0 (2017-02-23) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 19:22:26 -0000 On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 02:57:33PM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > I would like to change this approach and get back to the initial approach taken > by others before I jumped in and I would like just entirely remove the roff > toolchain from base and let people rely on GNU roff from ports. > > What I want to propose now, it to render them as PDF (html?) once and push them > somewhere (to be defined) as static document on our documentation website. > Please doceng@ provide me a location where to push them. > > And then remove bsd.doc.mk from FreeBSD 12.0 along with the removal of groff. Yes. I definitely support these ideas. :-) -- Joel From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Sun May 21 20:17:35 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0AFFD77DE6 for ; Sun, 21 May 2017 20:17:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0660994 for ; Sun, 21 May 2017 20:17:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from bugs.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v4LKHZuf022236 for ; Sun, 21 May 2017 20:17:35 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 219434] Fix typos in usr.sbin/efivar/efivar.8 Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 20:17:35 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Component: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: patch, patch-ready X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Only Me X-Bugzilla-Who: olgeni@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Status: New X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: keywords Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 20:17:35 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D219434 Jimmy Olgeni changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Keywords| |patch, patch-ready --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.= From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Sun May 21 20:41:29 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B9E5D77656 for ; Sun, 21 May 2017 20:41:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B0F214E8 for ; Sun, 21 May 2017 20:41:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from bugs.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v4LKfTEw077116 for ; Sun, 21 May 2017 20:41:29 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 219434] Fix typos in usr.sbin/efivar/efivar.8 Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 20:41:29 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Component: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: patch, patch-ready X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Only Me X-Bugzilla-Who: bjk@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Status: In Progress X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: bjk@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: assigned_to bug_status cc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 20:41:29 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D219434 Benjamin Kaduk changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Assignee|freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org |bjk@FreeBSD.org Status|New |In Progress CC| |bjk@FreeBSD.org --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.= From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Sun May 21 20:42:00 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7CC7D776BD for ; 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Sun, 21 May 2017 16:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) by mailhub-auth-2.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id v4LKajwI031419; Sun, 21 May 2017 16:36:45 -0400 Received: from kduck.kaduk.org (24-107-191-124.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com [24.107.191.124]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.12.4) with ESMTP id v4LKaen7026527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 21 May 2017 16:36:43 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 15:36:40 -0500 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: Baptiste Daroussin Cc: arch@FreeBSD.org, doceng@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The future of the roff toolchain Message-ID: <20170521203640.GR39245@kduck.kaduk.org> References: <20170521125733.bmd4tmq6iqpsbvgl@ivaldir.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <20170521125733.bmd4tmq6iqpsbvgl@ivaldir.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprJKsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixG6nohv/SzHSoGu9nsWSGfOYLX7/ushq MeHKDyaLqR93slr8e/ubyYHVY8an+SwBjFFcNimpOZllqUX6dglcGX/232MqWMZesWPDQvYG xiusXYycHBICJhLfvn5m62Lk4hASWMwksXrdD2YIZyOjxNbzTxkhnKtMEmsn3GQDaWERUJX4 M6kDzGYTUJNYv+IaM4gtIqApsfHbXhYQm1nAT+L8jD6wuLCArsSuffOZQGxeoHXLP/wAiwsJ WEqcP32YBSIuKHFy5hOoXi2JG/9eAtVzANnSEsv/cUCEtSWWLXwN1sopYCXRf2QBO4gtKqAs 8ffwPZYJjIKzkEyahWTSLIRJs5BMWsDIsopRNiW3Sjc3MTOnODVZtzg5MS8vtUjXWC83s0Qv NaV0EyMo1Dkl+XYwTmrwPsQowMGoxMN74odipBBrYllxZe4hRkkOJiVR3lczFSKF+JLyUyoz Eosz4otKc1KLDzFKcDArifDu+wZUzpuSWFmVWpQPk5LmYFES5xXXaIwQEkhPLEnNTk0tSC2C ycpwcChJ8Gr9BGoULEpNT61Iy8wpQUgzcXCCDOcBGr4G5Bbe4oLE3OLMdIj8KUZdjjn3vr5n EmLJy89LlRLnVQAZJABSlFGaBzcHlKIksvfXvGIUB3pLmNcMpIoHmN7gJr0CWsIEtMT6mTzI kpJEhJRUA2P51oO7j3Jr+unf8eQ8fWgTg7BIREte3JyfLC+8T2xTZDrkcUFh8oongismfLiR v2BL0VL7u18ltqvte7prVkblhAfnZLdvtC2sif63etndeU6vzBau/rqMKdhgTazTj3iBfJut 39csX3pVN/LH4bPL7hmKvw3Zo6N0sGN77gE1H9W17C1XJu/cpMRSnJFoqMVcVJwIAMbtW1Is AwAA X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 20:42:00 -0000 On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 02:57:33PM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >=20 > What I want to propose now, it to render them as PDF (html?) once and pus= h them > somewhere (to be defined) as static document on our documentation website. > Please doceng@ provide me a location where to push them. >=20 > And then remove bsd.doc.mk from FreeBSD 12.0 along with the removal of gr= off. > I also want to remove most of roff related tools (the one provided by too= lchains > available in ports) for which we kept a BSD version (not really maintaine= d in > base): > namely: > - checknr > - vgrind > - colcrt >=20 > Only keeping: > - col (useful in other places than roff) > - soelim (also used for manpages and we have a clean BSD licensed version= which > is also now parts of mandoc) That sounds like a good plan to me. Thank you for putting in all the time trying out the alternate roff toolchains! -Ben From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Sun May 21 22:34:55 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1840D770D6 for ; Sun, 21 May 2017 22:34:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@karels.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A149C1D2E for ; Sun, 21 May 2017 22:34:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@karels.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 9D157D770D3; Sun, 21 May 2017 22:34:55 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C780D770CF; Sun, 21 May 2017 22:34:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@karels.net) Received: from mail.karels.net (mail.karels.net [63.231.190.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C691D2C; Sun, 21 May 2017 22:34:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@karels.net) Received: from [10.0.2.11] (mjk-mac2.karels.net [10.0.2.11]) by mail.karels.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v4LMKPR8051444; Sun, 21 May 2017 17:20:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mike@karels.net) From: "Mike Karels" To: "Benjamin Kaduk" Cc: "Baptiste Daroussin" , arch@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org, doceng@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The future of the roff toolchain Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 17:20:10 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20170521203640.GR39245@kduck.kaduk.org> References: <20170521125733.bmd4tmq6iqpsbvgl@ivaldir.net> <20170521203640.GR39245@kduck.kaduk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.6r5347) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 22:34:55 -0000 On 21 May 2017, at 15:36, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 02:57:33PM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >> >> What I want to propose now, it to render them as PDF (html?) once and >> push them >> somewhere (to be defined) as static document on our documentation >> website. >> Please doceng@ provide me a location where to push them. >> >> And then remove bsd.doc.mk from FreeBSD 12.0 along with the removal >> of groff. >> I also want to remove most of roff related tools (the one provided by >> toolchains >> available in ports) for which we kept a BSD version (not really >> maintained in >> base): >> namely: >> - checknr >> - vgrind >> - colcrt >> >> Only keeping: >> - col (useful in other places than roff) >> - soelim (also used for manpages and we have a clean BSD licensed >> version which >> is also now parts of mandoc) > > That sounds like a good plan to me. Thank you for putting in all > the time trying out the alternate roff toolchains! +1. I agree that /usr/share/doc is strictly legacy; only the man pages matter for base. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-arch@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Sun May 21 22:50:51 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0267FD7773E for ; Sun, 21 May 2017 22:50:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vangyzen@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62A81378 for ; Sun, 21 May 2017 22:50:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vangyzen@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id DCA3DD77739; Sun, 21 May 2017 22:50:50 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBFA8D77736; Sun, 21 May 2017 22:50:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vangyzen@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.vangyzen.net (hotblack.vangyzen.net [IPv6:2607:fc50:1000:7400:216:3eff:fe72:314f]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A955B1375; Sun, 21 May 2017 22:50:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vangyzen@FreeBSD.org) Received: from ford.home.vangyzen.net (unknown [76.164.15.242]) by smtp.vangyzen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A5A925646B; Sun, 21 May 2017 17:50:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: The futur of the roff toolchain To: Baptiste Daroussin , arch@freebsd.org Cc: doceng@freebsd.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org References: <20170521125733.bmd4tmq6iqpsbvgl@ivaldir.net> From: Eric van Gyzen Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 17:50:46 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170521125733.bmd4tmq6iqpsbvgl@ivaldir.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 22:50:51 -0000 I like all of this. Thanks for your very thorough research and effort. Eric On 05/21/2017 07:57, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been working for a while to try to import a modern roff toolchain into > base. > > I didn't like the initial approach that consisted in simply removing all roff > toolchain in base. > > Recap of the situation in base: > * We have GNU roff version 1.19.2 in base (latest GPLv2 version). Lots of bug > fixes has been made upstream in newer version (GPLv3) in particular regarding > unicode but not only. (and we cannot update it anymore) > * GNU roff is now only used to generate the documentation in share/doc and as a > fallback for manpages which mandoc does not support. > > On the manpages front: > * No manpages in base are not supported by mandoc except groff manpages > themselves > * man(1) can fallback on ports version of groff if installed (for ports not > providing manpages not compatible with mandoc) > > Alternatives to GNU roff: > * Heirloom doctools (which I tried to import) licensed both CDDL/BSD (in C) > * neartoff http://litcave.rudi.ir/ BSD licensed (in C) > > I went the road of using heirloom doctools it is 90% compatible with GNU roff, > good enough for all our base roff based documents. > > After getting down that road for a while, including lots of patches sent > upstream (thanks them for being so reactive and integrating them quickly as well > as fixing the issues I wasn't able to fix myself quickly). > > The problem is there are lot of corner small corner cases where heirloom is > different from GNU roff and hard to make it compatible. While this is corner > cases, it breaks document generation for some large documents people are > writing. Those users could use (and actually would benefit a lot from it) GNU > roff from the ports tree, but have to be careful about the path of the tool they > call to ensure only calling the one from GNU roff and not the one (with the same > name) from heirloom doctools. > > Concerning neatroff it is barely compatible with GNU roff, so not an option > (last I tested at least). > > I would like to change this approach and get back to the initial approach taken > by others before I jumped in and I would like just entirely remove the roff > toolchain from base and let people rely on GNU roff from ports. > > man(1) is already asking the user to install groff from ports if the manpage > cannot be read with mandoc. > > No the problem left is documentations available in share/doc. > > I would like to push them elsewhere. Those documents are mostly useful for > historical reason (hence we want to keep them) but not really for daily use of > modern FreeBSD. > Another issue with those documentation, they are installed as text/ascii version > in base, which makes most of them not really readable (as the documents has not > be written for a ascii/text target but more for a PDF/html view - using pic(1) > for example) > > A plan was to push as sources in the svn doc repository and continue to build > them. This approach also have an issue: over the time roff evolved a bit and > while working on heirloom doctools import I had to fix a bunch of markup to make > the rendering of those documents clean (also meaning almost noone should read > them considering some were not really readable). > > What I want to propose now, it to render them as PDF (html?) once and push them > somewhere (to be defined) as static document on our documentation website. > Please doceng@ provide me a location where to push them. > > And then remove bsd.doc.mk from FreeBSD 12.0 along with the removal of groff. > I also want to remove most of roff related tools (the one provided by toolchains > available in ports) for which we kept a BSD version (not really maintained in > base): > namely: > - checknr > - vgrind > - colcrt > > Only keeping: > - col (useful in other places than roff) > - soelim (also used for manpages and we have a clean BSD licensed version which > is also now parts of mandoc) > > Best regards, > Bapt From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Mon May 22 05:11:01 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5FACD77066; Mon, 22 May 2017 05:11:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaduk@mit.edu) Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-2.mit.edu (dmz-mailsec-scanner-2.mit.edu [18.9.25.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42AA91520; Mon, 22 May 2017 05:11:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaduk@mit.edu) X-AuditID: 1209190d-e73ff7000000547f-81-592271aec2cd Received: from mailhub-auth-4.mit.edu ( [18.7.62.39]) (using TLS with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-2.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id F5.DB.21631.EA172295; Mon, 22 May 2017 01:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) by mailhub-auth-4.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id v4M55n39024982; Mon, 22 May 2017 01:05:49 -0400 Received: from kduck.kaduk.org (24-107-191-124.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com [24.107.191.124]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.12.4) with ESMTP id v4M55ihC025472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 22 May 2017 01:05:47 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 00:05:44 -0500 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: Ernie Luzar Cc: FreeBSD questions , "freebsd-doc@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: having trouble making changes to the handbook Message-ID: <20170522050544.GS39245@kduck.kaduk.org> References: <592041FB.9030408@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <592041FB.9030408@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrAIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixG6nrruuUCnS4P09U4tTZ7pYLV5+3cRi cf30JHYHZo8Zn+azeOycdZc9gCmKyyYlNSezLLVI3y6BK+PM5+eMBe2SFd+PrGZuYGwX6WLk 5JAQMJFYtvgRSxcjF4eQwGImif7XvUwQzkZGiavvmlghnKtMEpvvzGcEaWERUJX4ua+VGcRm E1CRaOi+DGaLANmbtzxlA7GZBYolXjR+YgKxhQWsJF5dWQlWwwu0bvfXeWBxIQENiYfzTrBD xAUlTs58wgLRqyVx499LoBoOIFtaYvk/DpAwp4CmxLlZ98HGiAooS/w9fI9lAqPALCTds5B0 z0LoXsDIvIpRNiW3Sjc3MTOnODVZtzg5MS8vtUjXSC83s0QvNaV0EyMoYDkleXcw/rvrdYhR gINRiYf3xA/FSCHWxLLiytxDjJIcTEqivBudlCKF+JLyUyozEosz4otKc1KLDzFKcDArifDu +wZUzpuSWFmVWpQPk5LmYFES5xXXaIwQEkhPLEnNTk0tSC2CycpwcChJ8PIVAA0VLEpNT61I y8wpQUgzcXCCDOcBGm4IUsNbXJCYW5yZDpE/xagoJc6blA+UEABJZJTmwfWCEopE9v6aV4zi QK8I8y4HaecBJiO47ldAg5mABls/kwcZXJKIkJJqYAzzSjJIP6aednJzzcz915bFTdOxcV1x zZ6j4ZR/mcXLvwv6mY6tNlj2/pCEk+22fUfNRGs3TC5w//ErWTe6KOOJsL3fpGsxTh35gmdm lvr5aPuJ3/3LILbOOpX74ATb4xG1r8t37/czTAuyV3J+8+za8xKevpXLPV+kbD4tp5H/pVx8 kZufjxJLcUaioRZzUXEiALYh8K4DAwAA X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 05:11:01 -0000 On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 09:17:47AM -0400, Ernie Luzar wrote: > I am following the info in this link > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/ > > I installed the textproc/docproj package. > > The above link says that svn is installed as part of that port. But it > really is not. Have to use the built in svnlite command. It seems that https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/textproc/docproj/Makefile?revision=420130&view=markup has some logic to not depend on devel/subversion when /usr/bin/svnlite is present in the build environment, which is arguably not the best choice, since the build environment need not match the install environment when pre-built packages are in use. > The shown command > "svnlite checkout https://svn.FreeBSD.org/doc/head ~/doc" > downloads far more items than wanted. This needs better example of just > downloading the desired language version of the handbook plus any > "shared directories" required for "make command" to work. How do I do this? It is intentionally undocumented, as there are multiple parts from the root needed to build a translation tree (in addition to the english sources, which are used when translations do not exist). No one has gone through to enumrate the list and commit to keeping it up to date as the build system changes. That is to say, you are free to attempt it, but it will require some investigation and it will probably be simpler overall to just accept the extra bytes as the cost of convenience. > I ran the "igor -R filename.xml | less -RS" command on the chapter I > wanted to work on before making any changes. To my surprise a bunch of > error are shown. Since these error are all already in the handbook > source I see no reason why I should try to correct them. Just because errors are preexisting they should be ignored instead of fixed? To be clear, no one is going to insist that you fix all issues in a file before adding content to it, but it is also a fine idea to make an initial cleanup patch before starting to do further work. As to how this situation might arise, the existing content is often quite old, and igore is a comparatively new tool (and continues to receive updates), so it is not surprising that there is old content that does not fully comply to the current standards. > When I ran the "make" command the resulting html files are just written > into the directory that "make" was run from. How do I tell "make" to > write the output to a location of my selection? 'make install' should respect DESTDIR, of course, and I think (but did not test) that the usual OBJDIR-manipulation variables would work. > What is really lacking is a way to view the changed output in a command > line browser. Installing a desktop just to view the changed handbook is > not an acceptable solution. But, what would the other location of your selection be that would be differently viewable in a command-line browser than the html files in the build tree? 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Mon, 22 May 2017 06:12:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@sentry.org) Received: from shadow.sentry.org (shadow.sentry.org [103.78.157.218]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "shadow.sentry.org", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89D411ECB for ; Mon, 22 May 2017 06:12:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@sentry.org) Received: from shadow.sentry.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shadow.sentry.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v4M6BvgE027947 for ; Mon, 22 May 2017 16:11:57 +1000 (AEST) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@sentry.org) Subject: Re: [Bug 219421] [patch] handbook jail chapter removing ezjail section References: Reply-To: freebsd-doc From: Trev To: freebsd-doc Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 16:11:56 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (shadow.sentry.org [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 22 May 2017 16:11:57 +1000 (AEST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 06:12:08 -0000 bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org wrote on 21/05/2017 03:57: > Bug ID: 219421 > Summary: [patch] handbook jail chapter removing ezjail > Product: Documentation > Version: Latest > Hardware: Any > OS: Any > Status: New > Keywords: patch > Severity: Affects Many People > Priority: --- > Component: Documentation > Assignee: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org > Reporter: qjail1@a1poweruser.com > Keywords: patch > > Created attachment 182757 > --> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=182757&action=edit > handbook jail chapter diff file > > In the comments for PR # 218849 people voiced concerns that it is > inappropriate for the handbook to devote a section on how to use a > port. That information belongs in the ports own documentation. I had assumed that this was correct... the Handbook only dealt with "base" and a ports section had inadvertently been included. Until today, when I was looking at the mail section of the Handbook and came across these sections devoted to "ports": https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/SMTP-Auth.html https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/mail-agents.html https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/mail-fetchmail.html https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/mail-procmail.html So, are all these sections to be removed also? Somehow I don't think so. From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Mon May 22 14:17:16 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A89D78842 for ; Mon, 22 May 2017 14:17:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 179B01F05 for ; Mon, 22 May 2017 14:17:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 13C24D7883F; Mon, 22 May 2017 14:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10524D7883D; Mon, 22 May 2017 14:17:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from vps1.elischer.org (vps1.elischer.org [204.109.63.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "vps1.elischer.org", Issuer "CA Cert Signing Authority" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D8AD1F02; Mon, 22 May 2017 14:17:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from Julian-MBP3.local (106-68-207-219.dyn.iinet.net.au [106.68.207.219]) (authenticated bits=0) by vps1.elischer.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v4MEH8GF088780 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 22 May 2017 07:17:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Subject: Re: The futur of the roff toolchain To: Baptiste Daroussin , arch@freebsd.org Cc: doceng@freebsd.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org References: <20170521125733.bmd4tmq6iqpsbvgl@ivaldir.net> From: Julian Elischer Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 22:17:02 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170521125733.bmd4tmq6iqpsbvgl@ivaldir.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 14:17:16 -0000 On 21/5/17 8:57 pm, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > Hi all, [...] > No the problem left is documentations available in share/doc. > > I would like to push them elsewhere. Those documents are mostly useful for > historical reason (hence we want to keep them) but not really for daily use of > modern FreeBSD. > Another issue with those documentation, they are installed as text/ascii version > in base, which makes most of them not really readable (as the documents has not > be written for a ascii/text target but more for a PDF/html view - using pic(1) > for example) I was surprised that they stayed in src when we split it up. And really they should be supplemented by every FreeBSD based paper presented at a conference :-) From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Mon May 22 15:41:55 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD63D787C1 for ; Mon, 22 May 2017 15:41:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F5B917B6 for ; Mon, 22 May 2017 15:41:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from bugs.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v4MFfsZd006365 for ; Mon, 22 May 2017 15:41:54 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 188214] Manpage for fsck(8) doesn't say what happens when no -t or -T Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 15:41:54 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Component: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Only Me X-Bugzilla-Who: gjb@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Status: Closed X-Bugzilla-Resolution: FIXED X-Bugzilla-Priority: Normal X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: resolution bug_status Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 15:41:55 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D188214 Glen Barber changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Resolution|--- |FIXED Status|In Progress |Closed --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.= From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Mon May 22 16:11:58 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07335D7822C for ; Mon, 22 May 2017 16:11:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E147412BB for ; Mon, 22 May 2017 16:11:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from bugs.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v4MGBuiu093414 for ; Mon, 22 May 2017 16:11:57 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 211245] [PATCH] sort: Minor spelling error in man-page Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 16:11:57 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Component: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: patch X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Only Me X-Bugzilla-Who: gjb@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Status: Closed X-Bugzilla-Resolution: FIXED X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: resolution bug_status Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 16:11:58 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D211245 Glen Barber changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Resolution|--- |FIXED Status|New |Closed --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.= From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Mon May 22 16:12:16 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14ED6D782DF for ; Mon, 22 May 2017 16:12:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0474C14E6 for ; Mon, 22 May 2017 16:12:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from bugs.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v4MGCFFN096511 for ; Mon, 22 May 2017 16:12:15 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 211245] [PATCH] sort: Minor spelling error in man-page Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 16:12:16 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Component: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: patch X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Only Me X-Bugzilla-Who: commit-hook@freebsd.org X-Bugzilla-Status: Closed X-Bugzilla-Resolution: FIXED X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 16:12:16 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D211245 --- Comment #2 from commit-hook@freebsd.org --- A commit references this bug: Author: gjb Date: Mon May 22 16:11:47 UTC 2017 New revision: 318653 URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/318653 Log: MFC r305613 (gabor): Fix typo. 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[74.141.88.57]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id e126sm7805059ioe.12.2017.05.22.09.57.32 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 22 May 2017 09:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <59231887.7090100@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 12:57:43 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benjamin Kaduk CC: FreeBSD questions , "freebsd-doc@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: having trouble making changes to the handbook References: <592041FB.9030408@gmail.com> <20170522050544.GS39245@kduck.kaduk.org> In-Reply-To: <20170522050544.GS39245@kduck.kaduk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 16:57:34 -0000 Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 09:17:47AM -0400, Ernie Luzar wrote: >> I am following the info in this link >> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/ >> >> I installed the textproc/docproj package. >> >> The above link says that svn is installed as part of that port. But it >> really is not. Have to use the built in svnlite command. > > It seems that > https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/textproc/docproj/Makefile?revision=420130&view=markup > has some logic to not depend on devel/subversion when > /usr/bin/svnlite is present in the build environment, which is > arguably not the best choice, since the build environment need not > match the install environment when pre-built packages are in use. > > The above reply makes no sense to me. svnlite is included in the base OS release. So it's there in the build & install environment by default. Are you trying to say the textproc/docproj port is in error and should be fixed to install subversion as a dependent? I used the OS default svnlite to checkout the whole doc tree and manually updated the desired chapter source through creating the diff file without any problems. Please expand and clarify your point. >> The shown command >> "svnlite checkout https://svn.FreeBSD.org/doc/head ~/doc" >> downloads far more items than wanted. This needs better example of just >> downloading the desired language version of the handbook plus any >> "shared directories" required for "make command" to work. How do I do this? > > It is intentionally undocumented, as there are multiple parts from > the root needed to build a translation tree (in addition to the > english sources, which are used when translations do not exist). > No one has gone through to enumerate the list and commit to keeping > it up to date as the build system changes. That is to say, you are > free to attempt it, but it will require some investigation and it > will probably be simpler overall to just accept the extra bytes as > the cost of convenience. > > My post never voiced anything about the different translations of the English version of the handbook. There is a separate doc on translations. My interpretation of your reply is that it is technicality possible to checkout the desired handbook source based on language and them checkout the parts of the master doc tree needed to "make" the html code version. That to date, nobody has updated the https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/ to include this information and I am free to do so. >> I ran the "igor -R filename.xml | less -RS" command on the chapter I >> wanted to work on before making any changes. To my surprise a bunch of >> error are shown. Since these error are all already in the handbook >> source I see no reason why I should try to correct them. > > Just because errors are preexisting they should be ignored instead > of fixed? To be clear, no one is going to insist that you fix all > issues in a file before adding content to it, but it is also a fine > idea to make an initial cleanup patch before starting to do further > work. > > As to how this situation might arise, the existing content is often > quite old, and igor is a comparatively new tool (and continues to > receive updates), so it is not surprising that there is old content > that does not fully comply to the current standards. > So "igor" is am independent application whose purpose is intended for informational use only. It does not inhibit the flow of making changes. It may be skipped all together. If something is really codded incorrectly the "make" process will fail with very limited feedback about the what it doesn't like and "igor" may used to help in the investigation to fix the problem. >> When I ran the "make" command the resulting html files are just written >> into the directory that "make" was run from. How do I tell "make" to >> write the output to a location of my selection? > > 'make install' should respect DESTDIR, of course, and I think (but > did not test) that the usual OBJDIR-manipulation variables would > work. > I take this to mean there are existing methods to point the html code generated by the make process to a separate path. Being brand new to changing content of the handbook I am un-familiar with the DESTIR and OBJDIR variables. Please provide an example of how to code it on the command line. >> What is really lacking is a way to view the changed output in a command >> line browser. Installing a desktop just to view the changed handbook is >> not an acceptable solution. > > But, what would the other location of your selection be that would > be differently viewable in a command-line browser than the html > files in the build tree? I generally use a browser (desktop or not) > to view the html files next to the xml sources, which is usually > "good enough" for what I need to do. > There is a very big difference between viewing the raw html or xml code in a command line editor and what one sees when shown by a browser. The ports system doesn't have a command line browser capable of displaying the handbook content. I ftp the new generated html code to my ms/xp box and view it using firefox. This method brings to light visual errors that are syntax correct but not what you really wanted. > -Ben > When I have complete knowledge of how to change the handbook I am planing to update the fdp-primer incorporating this new information. Thank you Ben for you help and guidance. 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[74.141.88.57]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id b197sm134579iti.16.2017.05.22.17.18.14 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 22 May 2017 17:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <59237FD9.6000103@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 20:18:33 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc Subject: Re: [Bug 219421] [patch] handbook jail chapter removing ezjail section References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 00:18:16 -0000 Trev wrote: > bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org wrote on 21/05/2017 03:57: >> Bug ID: 219421 >> Summary: [patch] handbook jail chapter removing ezjail >> > Product: Documentation >> Version: Latest >> Hardware: Any >> OS: Any >> Status: New >> Keywords: patch >> Severity: Affects Many People >> Priority: --- >> Component: Documentation >> Assignee: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org >> Reporter: qjail1@a1poweruser.com >> Keywords: patch >> >> Created attachment 182757 >> --> >> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=182757&action=edit >> handbook jail chapter diff file >> >> In the comments for PR # 218849 people voiced concerns that it is >> inappropriate for the handbook to devote a section on how to use a >> port. That information belongs in the ports own documentation. > > I had assumed that this was correct... the Handbook only dealt with > "base" and a ports section had inadvertently been included. Until today, > when I was looking at the mail section of the Handbook and came across > these sections devoted to "ports": > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/SMTP-Auth.html > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/mail-agents.html > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/mail-fetchmail.html > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/mail-procmail.html > > So, are all these sections to be removed also? Somehow I don't think so. > After review, I see these handbook links are totally different than the detailed step by step how-to ezjail section of the handbook. They are night and day different. It's not a question of providing names of ports that service a certain function. It's providing a whole section devoted to such in depth step by step instructions about a port. This gives the reader a implied endorsement of said port and the idea its the only solution. This is un-fair treatment of the other ports available as solutions for that same function. And more to the point this is the type of information that the port documentation it self should contain. When has it become the doc teams job to maintain a ports documentation? This is just so wrong on so many levels. I don't remember there being any open discussion about adding this type of section detailing ezjail usage before it was added to the handbook. It just showed up one day. I was not aware this is how major concept changes are made to the handbook. If the formal review process was done then please point me to it so I can understand the thinking back then that supported this. From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Tue May 23 02:54:10 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 239CAD799CF; Tue, 23 May 2017 02:54:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaduk@mit.edu) Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-1.mit.edu (dmz-mailsec-scanner-1.mit.edu [18.9.25.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB4D4120F; Tue, 23 May 2017 02:54:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaduk@mit.edu) X-AuditID: 1209190c-07dff70000001ef4-1a-5923a31ab765 Received: from mailhub-auth-2.mit.edu ( [18.7.62.36]) (using TLS with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-1.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 7F.08.07924.A13A3295; Mon, 22 May 2017 22:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) by mailhub-auth-2.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id v4N2mvhF013633; Mon, 22 May 2017 22:48:57 -0400 Received: from kduck.kaduk.org (24-107-191-124.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com [24.107.191.124]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.12.4) with ESMTP id v4N2mrM1030626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 22 May 2017 22:48:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 21:48:53 -0500 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: Ernie Luzar Cc: FreeBSD questions , "freebsd-doc@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: having trouble making changes to the handbook Message-ID: <20170523024852.GV39245@kduck.kaduk.org> References: <592041FB.9030408@gmail.com> <20170522050544.GS39245@kduck.kaduk.org> <59231887.7090100@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <59231887.7090100@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrBIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixG6noiu9WDnSYOVLAYtTZ7pYLV5+3cRi cf30JHYHZo8Zn+azeOycdZc9gCmKyyYlNSezLLVI3y6BK2PzqotsBU2OFTc+pTYw7jTuYuTg kBAwkXi8KKiLkYtDSGAxk8Sqxm9sEM5GRokVy++yQzhXmSQunp3P3MXIycEioCpxb9c1VhCb TUBFoqH7MlhcBMjevOUpG4jNLFAs8aLxExOILSxgJfHqykqwGl6gbRP+fGQD2SwkUCTxuTsf IiwocXLmExaIVi2JG/9eMoGUMAtISyz/xwFicgpoStx4IQJSISqgLPH38D2WCYwCs5A0z0LS PAuheQEj8ypG2ZTcKt3cxMyc4tRk3eLkxLy81CJdQ73czBK91JTSTYygQOWU5NnBeOaN1yFG AQ5GJR5ejcdKkUKsiWXFlbmHGCU5mJREefckKEcK8SXlp1RmJBZnxBeV5qQWH2KU4GBWEuG9 sBAox5uSWFmVWpQPk5LmYFES55XQaIwQEkhPLEnNTk0tSC2CycpwcChJ8F4EaRQsSk1PrUjL zClBSDNxcIIM5wEaPg9seHFBYm5xZjpE/hSjLse7pR/eMwmx5OXnpUqJ875bAFQkAFKUUZoH NweUYCSy99e8YhQHekuY13MRUBUPMDnBTXoFtIQJaIn1M3mQJSWJCCmpBkY9BynNNNWNQWw3 JS8utr5yRojtSkpS1Zd10mv1av98nJStabbrzlce57evmV7olgQGzRZp4cvycFC6FJYS7z3/ 7t4/ahOLje9OSXsY2rVTmDP26Ydn3xq4Wea0X55++rdFvBXb7hPrFu7NT2ZiCRZkC+lVb205 ytxt9eB6vEvwVwHvNaWB95RYijMSDbWYi4oTAehKlAELAwAA X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 02:54:10 -0000 On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 12:57:43PM -0400, Ernie Luzar wrote: > Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > > On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 09:17:47AM -0400, Ernie Luzar wrote: > >> I am following the info in this link > >> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/ > >> > >> I installed the textproc/docproj package. > >> > >> The above link says that svn is installed as part of that port. But it > >> really is not. Have to use the built in svnlite command. > > > > It seems that > > https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/textproc/docproj/Makefile?revision=420130&view=markup > > has some logic to not depend on devel/subversion when > > /usr/bin/svnlite is present in the build environment, which is > > arguably not the best choice, since the build environment need not > > match the install environment when pre-built packages are in use. > > > > > > The above reply makes no sense to me. svnlite is included in the base OS > release. So it's there in the build & install environment by default. > Are you trying to say the textproc/docproj port is in error and should > be fixed to install subversion as a dependent? The WITHOUT_SVNLITE src.conf(5) setting permits installing base without svnlite. (There is also a WITH_SVN to install svnlite as svn.) So, in WITHOUT_SVNLITE environments, at present, building textproc/docproj will pull in devel/subversion. I am suggesting that, given the number of other dependencies textproc/docproj has, adding devel/subversion unconditionally would not be that large of an incremnetal bloat, and would make things less confusing for people in a similar situation to you, as 'svn' would actually work right out of the box. > I used the OS default svnlite to checkout the whole doc tree and > manually updated the desired chapter source through creating the diff > file without any problems. > > Please expand and clarify your point. Does the above help? > > >> The shown command > >> "svnlite checkout https://svn.FreeBSD.org/doc/head ~/doc" > >> downloads far more items than wanted. This needs better example of just > >> downloading the desired language version of the handbook plus any > >> "shared directories" required for "make command" to work. How do I do this? > > > > It is intentionally undocumented, as there are multiple parts from > > the root needed to build a translation tree (in addition to the > > english sources, which are used when translations do not exist). > > No one has gone through to enumerate the list and commit to keeping > > it up to date as the build system changes. That is to say, you are > > free to attempt it, but it will require some investigation and it > > will probably be simpler overall to just accept the extra bytes as > > the cost of convenience. > > > > > > My post never voiced anything about the different translations of the > English version of the handbook. There is a separate doc on translations. > > My interpretation of your reply is that it is technicality possible to > checkout the desired handbook source based on language and them checkout > the parts of the master doc tree needed to "make" the html code version. > That to date, nobody has updated the > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/ > to include this information and I am free to do so. That is almost correct, in that I expect a submission to update the fdp-primer with the hypothetical instructions for this procedure would be rejected. (N.B. it is not my position to speak authoritatively on this matter, of course -- that would probably have to go to doceng@.) > >> I ran the "igor -R filename.xml | less -RS" command on the chapter I > >> wanted to work on before making any changes. To my surprise a bunch of > >> error are shown. Since these error are all already in the handbook > >> source I see no reason why I should try to correct them. > > > > Just because errors are preexisting they should be ignored instead > > of fixed? To be clear, no one is going to insist that you fix all > > issues in a file before adding content to it, but it is also a fine > > idea to make an initial cleanup patch before starting to do further > > work. > > > > As to how this situation might arise, the existing content is often > > quite old, and igor is a comparatively new tool (and continues to > > receive updates), so it is not surprising that there is old content > > that does not fully comply to the current standards. > > > > So "igor" is am independent application whose purpose is intended for > informational use only. It does not inhibit the flow of making changes. > It may be skipped all together. If something is really codded > incorrectly the "make" process will fail with very limited feedback > about the what it doesn't like and "igor" may used to help in the > investigation to fix the problem. That's correct. igor(1) is the brainchild of wblock@, and my memory feels like it's only a few years old, but then again time always passes faster than I think... > >> When I ran the "make" command the resulting html files are just written > >> into the directory that "make" was run from. How do I tell "make" to > >> write the output to a location of my selection? > > > > 'make install' should respect DESTDIR, of course, and I think (but > > did not test) that the usual OBJDIR-manipulation variables would > > work. > > > > I take this to mean there are existing methods to point the html code > generated by the make process to a separate path. Being brand new to > changing content of the handbook I am un-familiar with the DESTIR and > OBJDIR variables. > > Please provide an example of how to code it on the command line. `make DESTDIR=/path/to/web/root install` will install the compiled html files to the indicated path, but will also leave a copy of them in the source (doc?) tree where you currently don't like them. The one that I'm not entirely sure would work would be something like `make MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/doc` which I guess would mirror the directory structure of the doc tree checkout (using absolute paths!) inside /usr/obj/doc instead of leaving html files in the source tree. But again, I did not test that to check. MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX is documented in build(7). > >> What is really lacking is a way to view the changed output in a command > >> line browser. Installing a desktop just to view the changed handbook is > >> not an acceptable solution. > > > > But, what would the other location of your selection be that would > > be differently viewable in a command-line browser than the html > > files in the build tree? I generally use a browser (desktop or not) > > to view the html files next to the xml sources, which is usually > > "good enough" for what I need to do. > > > > > There is a very big difference between viewing the raw html or xml code > in a command line editor and what one sees when shown by a browser. The > ports system doesn't have a command line browser capable of displaying > the handbook content. I ftp the new generated html code to my ms/xp box > and view it using firefox. This method brings to light visual errors > that are syntax correct but not what you really wanted. It sounds like I misread the complaint, initially, then. The problem is that the compiled html is not very readable in any command-line browser, but I had interpreted your statement as meaning that it was too difficult to navigate to the html files in the build tree (?) and so having the generated html files in a different directory would help. Assuming you don't have a NFS or similar mount from your windows box of a filesystem on the FreeBSD machine, I don't know that there are substantially better options than ftp-ing like that. You could 'make install' to a staging area and only have to copy a subset of things, but that's not really much better, I think. > When I have complete knowledge of how to change the handbook I am > planing to update the fdp-primer incorporating this new information. > > Thank you Ben for you help and guidance. You're welcome; I hope we can get things set up and working well for you. -Ben From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Tue May 23 09:36:15 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4155CD799BE for ; Tue, 23 May 2017 09:36:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31ADA171F for ; Tue, 23 May 2017 09:36:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from bugs.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v4N9aFI9081389 for ; Tue, 23 May 2017 09:36:15 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: =?UTF-8?B?W0J1ZyAyMTk0NzFdIDxQTWFrZSDigJQgQSBUdXRvcmlhbD46IG1lbnRpb24g?= =?UTF-8?B?LXAyIGZsYWcgYnV0IGRvIG5vdCBleGlzdCBmb3IgbWFrZQ==?= Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 09:36:15 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: new X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Component: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Only Me X-Bugzilla-Who: amutu@amutu.com X-Bugzilla-Status: New X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: bug_id short_desc product version rep_platform op_sys bug_status bug_severity priority component assigned_to reporter Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; 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micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 14:24:37 -0000 --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, The doc slush will begin on 10 June, 2017 The purpose of the doc slush is to slow down the rate of changes in that tree in order to allow the translation teams time to finalize their work and to avoid last-minute breakage for the 11.1-RELEASE. Please note that the slush will not apply to /htdocs documents. As usual, this is not a real freeze and requires no formal commit approval procedure for your commit, but you are kindly requested not to commit large, structural changes during that period. Tagging of the doc tree is scheduled to take place on 24 June, 2017. 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[74.141.88.57]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id l19sm564714ioe.3.2017.05.23.10.43.07 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 23 May 2017 10:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <592474C7.3070900@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 13:43:35 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benjamin Kaduk CC: FreeBSD questions , "freebsd-doc@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: having trouble making changes to the handbook References: <592041FB.9030408@gmail.com> <20170522050544.GS39245@kduck.kaduk.org> <59231887.7090100@gmail.com> <20170523024852.GV39245@kduck.kaduk.org> In-Reply-To: <20170523024852.GV39245@kduck.kaduk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 17:43:09 -0000 snip >>>> When I ran the "make" command the resulting html files are just written >>>> into the directory that "make" was run from. How do I tell "make" to >>>> write the output to a location of my selection? >>> 'make install' should respect DESTDIR, of course, and I think (but >>> did not test) that the usual OBJDIR-manipulation variables would >>> work. >>> >> I take this to mean there are existing methods to point the html code >> generated by the make process to a separate path. Being brand new to >> changing content of the handbook I am un-familiar with the DESTIR and >> OBJDIR variables. >> >> Please provide an example of how to code it on the command line. > > `make DESTDIR=/path/to/web/root install` > > will install the compiled html files to the indicated path, but will > also leave a copy of them in the source (doc?) tree where you currently > don't like them. > > The one that I'm not entirely sure would work would be something > like > > `make MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/doc` > > which I guess would mirror the directory structure of the doc tree > checkout (using absolute paths!) inside /usr/obj/doc instead of > leaving html files in the source tree. But again, I did not test > that to check. > > MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX is documented in build(7). > For your information. I did many trial and error runs testing make DESTDIR=/root/htm.text install make MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/root/html.text make install -D /root/html.text In all cases the generated html code gets populated into the directory the make command was executed from and /root/html.text directory is left empty. But I discovered that issuing "make install" will cause the /usr/share/doc directory tree to be populated with the handbook html files. This is what I was after from the beginning. Just the html files by them selfs. I don't care where there at as long as its just the html files only. Other thing is "make clean" has to be issued between each cycle of "make install". One last thing. When I go to edit the chapter.xml content I see the text wraped in notation. Is there a special term that this "notation" is normally referred by? From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Tue May 23 21:19:09 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A1C3D7BCFA for ; Tue, 23 May 2017 21:19:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trev@sentry.org) Received: from shadow.sentry.org (shadow.sentry.org [103.78.157.218]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "shadow.sentry.org", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D81F110D for ; Tue, 23 May 2017 21:19:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trev@sentry.org) Received: from shadow.sentry.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shadow.sentry.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v4NLIucG024828 for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 07:18:57 +1000 (AEST) (envelope-from trev@sentry.org) Subject: Re: having trouble making changes to the handbook To: freebsd-doc References: <592041FB.9030408@gmail.com> <20170522050544.GS39245@kduck.kaduk.org> <59231887.7090100@gmail.com> <20170523024852.GV39245@kduck.kaduk.org> <592474C7.3070900@gmail.com> From: Trevor Roydhouse Organization: Sentry Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 07:18:56 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <592474C7.3070900@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms070003020703050305060101" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (shadow.sentry.org [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 24 May 2017 07:18:57 +1000 (AEST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 21:19:09 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070003020703050305060101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ernie Luzar wrote on 24/05/2017 03:43: > One last thing. When I go to edit the chapter.xml content I see the > text wraped in notation. Is there a special term that this "notation" > is normally referred by? 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Responsibilities: * Provides direction and leadership in the identification, development, and= implementation of strategies, programs, ordinances, policies, decisions, a= ssignments, and activities to ensure efficient and effective results. * Provides direction and leadership to the company in its executions and al= ignments of the company strategic visions. * Directs and evaluates the performance of organizational programs, and per= sonnel; plans, organizes, oversees, authorizes, and coordinates departmenta= l and corporate wide systems, routines, projects, assignments, and activiti= es. * Represents the company before various stakeholders (employees, customers,= vendors, and partners). * Performs human resource responsibilities in leading the acquisition and d= evelopment of a diverse, inclusive, positive, high performing organization.= Provide staff development opportunities; use performance management tools;= coach and counsel employees and managers; and administer disciplinary acti= on. * Works closely with the CEO in strategic planning; developing implementati= on plans; setting priorities; and serving as acting CEO in their absence. * Performs other assigned responsibilities as delegated by the CEO and/or a= ssigned through the Board of Directors. THE IDEAL CANDIDATE * The ideal candidate has a track record of demonstrated leadership, proven= accomplishments, and established success in growing a company from a small= to mid-size level. * The candidate would also be familiar with an additive manufacturing based= business with both hard and soft intellectual assets. * Familiarity with equity evaluation of data driven companies is preferred. * Must have strong leadership skills in organizational management, with sof= t skills to build and lead leaders. * Must also be very positive, fair minded, caring, and have clear visions a= nd is a clear communicator. * A Bachelor's degree from an accredited four-year college with major cours= ework in business administration, engineering, or a closely related field i= s required. An MBA is highly desirable. * Minimum experience requirements include ten to fifteen years of recent an= d increasingly responsible administrative or managerial experience in a rel= ated industry.=20 The ideal candidate must be knowledgeable about: * The principles, practices, and methods of leadership in a fast pace techn= ology organization, strategic planning, performance measurement, continuous= quality improvement, policies and system development and implementation; * The principles and practices necessary to manage a lean manufacturing ope= ration. * The principles and practices of effective leadership and staff supervisio= n, including selection, training and development, dynamics of line-staff re= lationships, techniques of effective interpersonal communications and relat= ions, effective problem-solving and decision-making techniques, planning an= d delegating work, performance evaluations, positive recognition methods, a= nd progressive discipline; The ideal candidate must be able to: * Evaluate, monitor, and lead service improvements designed to facilitate o= rganizational unity and the effective and efficient delivery of services; * Initiate, develop, and implement goals, objectives, policies, procedures,= work standards, and internal controls; * Balance conflicting objectives and policies; diplomatically identify, neg= otiate and administer effective resolutions; * Select, motivate, supervise, and constructively evaluate managers and sta= ff; * Maintain and exhibit discretion and integrity when handling sensitive inf= ormation; * Communicate effectively including strong written and oral communication s= kills; * Provide effective leadership in a diversely staffed organization, consist= ent with executive direction and company principles and values; * Represent the company in the community and markets including public relat= ions and engagements; * The selected candidate will be a confident leader and manager with strong= interpersonal and staff relationships skills. * Candidate must be a good listener, possess energy and enthusiasm, and is = vision and mission driven. * This person must be politically savvy, open to the ideas of others, flexi= ble, able to think outside the "box," create partnerships, build consensus,= and bring harmony and cohesion to the various interests of the company. * The selected candidate must be fair in dealing with issues and people and= possess professional, personal, and spiritual integrity, high moral standa= rds, and strong ethics. * Candidate must also be flexible to adapt to the changing workforce enviro= nment and engage staff in developing skills and attributes for future leade= rship roles. * Other attributes include the ability to command and earn respect througho= ut all levels of the organization and in the community, be a team player wi= th a "can do" attitude, and facilitate and resolve a variety of complex iss= ues and challenges. BENEFITS * Competitive salary * Attractive benefits package Another client is one of the world's leading manufacturers of capacitors, s= eeking a Development Engineer (5) Senior Development Engineer (Simpsonville, South Carolina) This engineer will lead material and process development in the area of end= -terminations and plating of ceramic capacitor products. Experience of the = metallurgies, compatibility and performance requirements associated with el= ectronic component terminations and lead attachment would be beneficial. Th= is position involves working closely with other development and implementat= ion teams in Company's facilities in the US and Mexico. Requirements: The candidate should have knowledge and experience with thick film and past= e technologies used in hybrid electronics and with materials and processes = involving end-metallizations and electro-plating of electronic components. = The candidate will be familiar with interconnect materials and soldering pr= ocesses commonly used in electronics. A strong technical background and exp= erience are required in Design of Experiments, Analysis of Variance and pro= blem solving. Good communication skills, both verbal and written, are essen= tial. Experience with ceramic processing, material characterization techniq= ues, and electrical property measurements would be preferred, especially wi= th respect to MLCC or other electronic components. Experience of successful= product development in the field of electronic components is beneficial. T= his engineer will play a critical role in developing new products by leadin= g materials and process development in the area of end-terminations and pla= ting of ceramic capacitor products. The candidate will be expected to quick= ly learn the key aspects of the KEMET MLCC manufacturing technology, proces= s and products. The candidate will focus his team on evaluating new pastes= and materials for end-metallizations, and also work on larger multi-discip= linary teams to implement suitable terminations and electro-plating technol= ogies for broader product platforms of capacitor products. This person is e= xpected to execute experimental work, analyze data from design-of-experimen= ts, work with small and large teams, and implement terminations technologie= s with minimum supervision. Education/Experience: B.S. in Engineering (Materials or Chemical) at minimum; M.S. or higher degr= ee in Engineering or Science is preferred. Minimum 5 years of applicable ex= perience. =20=20=20=20=20 If you are interested in applying for one or more of these positions, pleas= e respond with a resume. Referrals and recommendations are also welcomed. Best Regards, Nicholas Meyler President/GM, Technology Wingate Dunross, Inc. ph (818)597-3200 ext. 211 http://app.streamsend.com/private/u4Kt/nKR/fHLIhgs/unsubscribe/29= 001931= From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Wed May 24 01:06:37 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77BBBD6BD95 for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 01:06:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67AC01E27 for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 01:06:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from bugs.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v4O16bNY046762 for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 01:06:37 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 217797] Fix typo in sysdecode_ioctlname(3) Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 01:06:37 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Component: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: patch X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Only Me X-Bugzilla-Who: commit-hook@freebsd.org X-Bugzilla-Status: Closed X-Bugzilla-Resolution: FIXED X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 01:06:37 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D217797 --- Comment #2 from commit-hook@freebsd.org --- A commit references this bug: Author: jhb Date: Wed May 24 01:06:09 UTC 2017 New revision: 318770 URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/318770 Log: MFC 315310: Spell "const" properly. PR: 217797 Changes: _U stable/11/ stable/11/lib/libsysdecode/sysdecode_ioctlname.3 --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.= From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Wed May 24 02:59:40 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2AAD79C33 for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 02:59:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C4641F0C for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 02:59:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from bugs.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v4O2xegj041142 for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 02:59:40 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 219482] pmake book say different with man of make about "include" Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 02:59:40 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: new X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Component: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Only Me X-Bugzilla-Who: amutu@amutu.com X-Bugzilla-Status: New X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: bug_id short_desc product version rep_platform op_sys bug_status bug_severity priority component assigned_to reporter Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 02:59:40 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D219482 Bug ID: 219482 Summary: pmake book say different with man of make about "include" Product: Documentation Version: Latest Hardware: Any OS: Any Status: New Severity: Affects Only Me Priority: --- Component: Documentation Assignee: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Reporter: amutu@amutu.com in 3.2. Including Other Makefiles: PMake allows you to do the same thing for makefiles, with the added ability= to use variables in the filenames. An include directive in a makefile looks ei= ther like this: #include or this: #include "file" ------------------------------------------------- while man page of make writes: All such structures are identified by a line beginning with a single dot (=E2=80=98.=E2=80=99)= character. Files are included with either .include =E2=9F=A8file=E2=9F=A9 or .include "= file". I think the pmake book should change to ".include". --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.= From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Wed May 24 04:49:03 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229EFD78B04 for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 04:49:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bouncer@me-ss2-ieksw9.mailengine1.com) Received: from me-ss2-ieksw9.mailengine1.com (me-ss2-ieksw9.mailengine1.com [72.19.210.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BACDE1A61 for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 04:48:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bouncer@me-ss2-ieksw9.mailengine1.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; s=k1; d=wdsearch.com; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:List-Unsubscribe:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Message-ID; i=nickm@wdsearch.com; bh=vMdFtvA4JF6bRLuKh4m7W350VUs=; b=eiUmp29quy6DkZZVVikmANxIrF3R++xEoIRzQWuHOA4xEuNpbPnGdz1rDLycXY8jb3Qxm2DpjoMR gOwFLq97EUe89JwFpClblch26m5WmPLI4Of9dr4PUs9d1+RnqN20NP4BmNaIbhJG7ubSDsevj8AV TfPNBmJZDy0zANWtKys= Received: by me-ss2-ieksw9.mailengine1.com (PowerMTA(TM) v3.5r15sb7) id h4k8bk0jql4e for ; Tue, 23 May 2017 21:48:22 -0700 (envelope-from ) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: StreamSend2 - 344961 X-Mailer-Version: 2.0 X-Mailer-Environment: production X-Report-Abuse-At: abuse@streamsend.com X-Report-Abuse-Info: It is important to please include full email headers in the report X-rpcampaign: StreamSend29002235 X-Streamsend2id: 344961+1+1774081+29002235+me-ss2-ieksw9.mailengine1.com Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 21:45:12 -0700 From: "Nicholas Meyler" Reply-To: "Nicholas J. Meyler" To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Great Opportunities in 3D Printing: Ventura, CA (Retained Searches) Message-ID: <300.0.15.1E3.1D2D448F8CAA7EE.AD754@me-ss2-ieksw9.mailengine1.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 04:49:03 -0000 New Exclusive Retained Searches from=20 Wingate Dunross, Inc. My new client in Ventura, CA has retained me on a set of exciting new searc= hes in the field of 3D Printing, one of the hottest growth fields in the hi= gh-technology world. Imagine a world where everybody can create. Imagine the fastest and the most accurate 3D Printer. Imagine a 3D Printer really easy-to-use. A 3D Printer perfect for the industrial and professional users. A 3D Printer driven by an Intelligent System, by a Cognitive System. The Best Technology in The Best Design. And now we need your help. About My Client: My Client is a 3D printing startup that integrates the latest exponential t= echnologies in components, sensors, optical systems and chemistry to apply = Moore=E2=80=99s Law to a new, proprietary 3D Printing technology. The resul= t is a desktop, professional 3D Printer that takes 3D Printing from hours t= o minutes making it FASTER, with a LARGER build volume, at HIGHER resolutio= ns and a LOWER cost. They're doing this with a user experience and a design= oriented approach making their 3D technology elegant and compact. Their 3D printer has been designed to offer the best and the smartest ultra= -fast 3D Printing experience, from a clean cartridge system to a complete c= ognitive hardware and stand-alone technology that let users adopt this mach= ine quickly in any kind of environment and for any type of usage. (1) SOFTWARE ENGINEERING MANAGER/ARCHITECT VENTURA (CA) | ENGINEERING | FULL-TIME Job Description: The Software Engineer will be responsible for the design, development, impl= ementation and maintenance of software for the 3D Printer. Responsibilities: Create technical specifications and develop software solutions based upon t= he specifications Design, develop and implement software and associated features on the 3D Pr= inter Design and develop user interfaces and application frameworks that support = communication with the 3D Printer Hardware and Firmware, 3D print file plac= ement, file viewing, file editing and assigning process values Collaborate and work closely with Systems, Mechanical, Electrical and Proce= ss Engineers to develop and implement the software features desired by thos= e Engineers Perform design and code reviews, unit-tests and system integrations Develop software requirements and software project plan Support QA testing of the developed software Participate in software alpha and beta test programs Experience: 3 to 5 years of experience in the relevant Engineering discipline Requirements: BS or MS in Computer Science or Computer Engineering Three years of experience developing commercial software applications Proficient in C#, .NET and C++ Excellent Object Oriented Design skills Good knowledge of Operating Systems Excellent knowledge of Embedded Systems Good understanding of Communication Protocols Experience with Application frameworks and design patterns Experience with GUI Development using frameworks Proficiency using modern software development processes, including software= configuration management tools and defect tracking tools Excellent documentation skills, communication skills and collaboration skil= ls (2) Additive Manufacturing Design Engineer (Ventura) Responsibilities: =E2=80=A2 Prepare 3D models for printing process =E2=80=A2 Collaborate with customers to design parts and tools for additive= manufacturing processes using SolidWorks =E2=80=A2 Learn & perform topology optimization =E2=80=A2 Develop best practices and user guides for additive manufacturing= lab =E2=80=A2 Maintain robust revision controls and file management for 3D data =E2=80=A2 Support the setup and operation of metal powder bed fusion (DMLS)= additive manufacturing machines & auxiliary equipment =E2=80=A2 Assist in periodic maintenance procedures of equipment =E2=80=A2 Comply with health, safety, and environmental procedures =E2=80=A2 Participate in continuous improvement initiatives Minimum Requirements: =E2=80=A2 BS Degree in Mechanical or Industrial Engineering or similar disc= ipline =E2=80=A2 Minimum 2 years experience with 3D CAD, preferably SolidWorks =E2=80=A2 Ability to read & create engineering drawings, including GD&T =E2=80=A2 Experience performing 3D simulation, such as FEA or CFD =E2=80=A2 Demonstrated aptitude for learning and creative problem solving =E2=80=A2 Demonstrated ability to work autonomously with minimal direction =E2=80=A2 Willingness to support periodic off-hours work (on-call) =E2=80=A2 Ability to lift 35 lbs Desired Skills: =E2=80=A2 Experience with Magics software =E2=80=A2 Experience with additive manufacturing =E2=80=A2 Experience with topology optimization =E2=80=A2 Experience with plastic injection molding and mold design (3) Additive Manufacturing Technician (Ventura) Responsibilities: =E2=80=A2 Prepare 3D models for printing process, including design of suppo= rts =E2=80=A2 Set up and operate metal powder bed fusion (DMLS) additive manufa= cturing machines =E2=80=A2 Remove platforms and supports from printed parts using bandsaws, = die grinders, bead blasting, etc. =E2=80=A2 Perform routine maintenance procedures on shop equipment & coordi= nate service as needed to ensure high level of productivity =E2=80=A2 Ensure quality of metal powder feedstocks =E2=80=A2 Dimensional inspection with basic instruments =E2=80=A2 Coordinate finishing operations with outside vendors, including p= ackaging and delivery =E2=80=A2 Track shop productivity metrics as well as set up and follow trac= k & trace system for jobs =E2=80=A2 Comply with health, safety, and environmental procedures =E2=80=A2 Participate in continuous improvement initiatives =E2=80=A2 Inspect additively manufactured parts for conformance to stated r= equirements =E2=80=A2 Ensure accuracy and repeatability of gages =E2=80=A2 Verify conformance of material feedstocks =E2=80=A2 Coordinate post-processing of additively manufactured parts with = external vendors, including quoting, packaging, shipping, and tracking to a= communicated schedule =E2=80=A2 Manage inventory of consumables and trigger replacement orders us= ing Kanban Minimum Requirements: =E2=80=A2 Associates or Bachelors degree in STEM field, or equivalent exper= ience =E2=80=A2 Minimum 1 year experience working in machine shop, additive manuf= acturing facility, or similar job-shop environment, experience with additiv= e manufacturing equipment preferred =E2=80=A2 Ability to read engineering drawings, including GD&T =E2=80=A2 Experience with 3D CAD and/or CAM software =E2=80=A2 Experience with basic metrology equipment and procedures =E2=80=A2 Excellent organization and attention to detail =E2=80=A2 Demonstrated aptitude for learning and creative problem solving =E2=80=A2 Demonstrated ability to work autonomously with minimal direction =E2=80=A2 Willingness to support periodic off-hours work (on-call) =E2=80=A2 Ability to lift 35 lbs Desired Skills: =E2=80=A2 Experience operating EOS additive manufacturing equipment =E2=80=A2 CNC programming and operation =E2=80=A2 Machining and grinding of aerospace and tool-room alloys =E2=80=A2 5S and Kaizen =E2=80=A2 Experience with 3D Scanning and reverse engineering =E2=80=A2 Experience with procurement, logistics, and warehousing practices (4) Chief Operating Officer (Ventura, CA) The Chief Operating Officer position reports directly to the Chief Executiv= e Officer (CEO) and is responsible and accountable for the planning, manage= ment, performance, and improvement of the company operational management an= d growth. The COO serves as a key member of the executive leadership team a= nd represents the CEO and the Board in interactions with employees, custome= rs, vendors, partners, and other organizations. Responsibilities: * Provides direction and leadership in the identification, development, and= implementation of strategies, programs, ordinances, policies, decisions, a= ssignments, and activities to ensure efficient and effective results. * Provides direction and leadership to the company in its executions and al= ignments of the company strategic visions. * Directs and evaluates the performance of organizational programs, and per= sonnel; plans, organizes, oversees, authorizes, and coordinates departmenta= l and corporate wide systems, routines, projects, assignments, and activiti= es. * Represents the company before various stakeholders (employees, customers,= vendors, and partners). * Performs human resource responsibilities in leading the acquisition and d= evelopment of a diverse, inclusive, positive, high performing organization.= Provide staff development opportunities; use performance management tools;= coach and counsel employees and managers; and administer disciplinary acti= on. * Works closely with the CEO in strategic planning; developing implementati= on plans; setting priorities; and serving as acting CEO in their absence. * Performs other assigned responsibilities as delegated by the CEO and/or a= ssigned through the Board of Directors. THE IDEAL CANDIDATE * The ideal candidate has a track record of demonstrated leadership, proven= accomplishments, and established success in growing a company from a small= to mid-size level. * The candidate would also be familiar with an additive manufacturing based= business with both hard and soft intellectual assets. * Familiarity with equity evaluation of data driven companies is preferred. * Must have strong leadership skills in organizational management, with sof= t skills to build and lead leaders. * Must also be very positive, fair minded, caring, and have clear visions a= nd is a clear communicator. * A Bachelor's degree from an accredited four-year college with major cours= ework in business administration, engineering, or a closely related field i= s required. An MBA is highly desirable. * Minimum experience requirements include ten to fifteen years of recent an= d increasingly responsible administrative or managerial experience in a rel= ated industry.=20 The ideal candidate must be knowledgeable about: * The principles, practices, and methods of leadership in a fast pace techn= ology organization, strategic planning, performance measurement, continuous= quality improvement, policies and system development and implementation; * The principles and practices necessary to manage a lean manufacturing ope= ration. * The principles and practices of effective leadership and staff supervisio= n, including selection, training and development, dynamics of line-staff re= lationships, techniques of effective interpersonal communications and relat= ions, effective problem-solving and decision-making techniques, planning an= d delegating work, performance evaluations, positive recognition methods, a= nd progressive discipline; The ideal candidate must be able to: * Evaluate, monitor, and lead service improvements designed to facilitate o= rganizational unity and the effective and efficient delivery of services; * Initiate, develop, and implement goals, objectives, policies, procedures,= work standards, and internal controls; * Balance conflicting objectives and policies; diplomatically identify, neg= otiate and administer effective resolutions; * Select, motivate, supervise, and constructively evaluate managers and sta= ff; * Maintain and exhibit discretion and integrity when handling sensitive inf= ormation; * Communicate effectively including strong written and oral communication s= kills; * Provide effective leadership in a diversely staffed organization, consist= ent with executive direction and company principles and values; * Represent the company in the community and markets including public relat= ions and engagements; * The selected candidate will be a confident leader and manager with strong= interpersonal and staff relationships skills. * Candidate must be a good listener, possess energy and enthusiasm, and is = vision and mission driven. * This person must be politically savvy, open to the ideas of others, flexi= ble, able to think outside the "box," create partnerships, build consensus,= and bring harmony and cohesion to the various interests of the company. * The selected candidate must be fair in dealing with issues and people and= possess professional, personal, and spiritual integrity, high moral standa= rds, and strong ethics. * Candidate must also be flexible to adapt to the changing workforce enviro= nment and engage staff in developing skills and attributes for future leade= rship roles. * Other attributes include the ability to command and earn respect througho= ut all levels of the organization and in the community, be a team player wi= th a "can do" attitude, and facilitate and resolve a variety of complex iss= ues and challenges. BENEFITS * Competitive salary * Attractive benefits package Another client is one of the world's leading manufacturers of capacitors, s= eeking a Development Engineer (5) Senior Development Engineer (Simpsonville, South Carolina) This engineer will lead material and process development in the area of end= -terminations and plating of ceramic capacitor products. Experience of the = metallurgies, compatibility and performance requirements associated with el= ectronic component terminations and lead attachment would be beneficial. Th= is position involves working closely with other development and implementat= ion teams in Company's facilities in the US and Mexico. Requirements: The candidate should have knowledge and experience with thick film and past= e technologies used in hybrid electronics and with materials and processes = involving end-metallizations and electro-plating of electronic components. = The candidate will be familiar with interconnect materials and soldering pr= ocesses commonly used in electronics. A strong technical background and exp= erience are required in Design of Experiments, Analysis of Variance and pro= blem solving. Good communication skills, both verbal and written, are essen= tial. Experience with ceramic processing, material characterization techniq= ues, and electrical property measurements would be preferred, especially wi= th respect to MLCC or other electronic components. Experience of successful= product development in the field of electronic components is beneficial. T= his engineer will play a critical role in developing new products by leadin= g materials and process development in the area of end-terminations and pla= ting of ceramic capacitor products. The candidate will be expected to quick= ly learn the key aspects of the KEMET MLCC manufacturing technology, proces= s and products. The candidate will focus his team on evaluating new pastes= and materials for end-metallizations, and also work on larger multi-discip= linary teams to implement suitable terminations and electro-plating technol= ogies for broader product platforms of capacitor products. This person is e= xpected to execute experimental work, analyze data from design-of-experimen= ts, work with small and large teams, and implement terminations technologie= s with minimum supervision. Education/Experience: B.S. in Engineering (Materials or Chemical) at minimum; M.S. or higher degr= ee in Engineering or Science is preferred. Minimum 5 years of applicable ex= perience. =20=20=20=20=20 If you are interested in applying for one or more of these positions, pleas= e respond with a resume. Referrals and recommendations are also welcomed. 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[74.141.88.57]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id m4sm1534029ith.5.2017.05.24.04.53.47 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 24 May 2017 04:53:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <59257457.1090204@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 07:53:59 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Trevor Roydhouse CC: freebsd-doc Subject: Re: having trouble making changes to the handbook References: <592041FB.9030408@gmail.com> <20170522050544.GS39245@kduck.kaduk.org> <59231887.7090100@gmail.com> <20170523024852.GV39245@kduck.kaduk.org> <592474C7.3070900@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 11:53:49 -0000 Trevor Roydhouse wrote: > Ernie Luzar wrote on 24/05/2017 03:43: >> One last thing. When I go to edit the chapter.xml content I see the >> text wraped in notation. Is there a special term that this "notation" >> is normally referred by? > > Are you referring to the tags which comprise the XML markup? > Yes the "chapter.xml" files with content enclosed with < > like Is this markup notation referred to as "tags" or is "markup notations" the correct way to reference them as a group? Where are the intended usage meanings of all the different combinations of markup notations documented at? Looking at the online handbook and back tracking to the xml markup notation is not a easy method of identifying the xml markup notation to use to add new information to the handbook information. Now here is the really puzzling question. How would I write documentation about these xml markup notations showing the real xml markup notation code in the doc without it being interpreted as something that gets converted? example Here is what the xml markup notation code looks like;As seem in the raw code. which when seen from a browser would show as Here is what the xml markup notation code looks like; As seem in the raw code. From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Wed May 24 12:22:33 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6169FD78F1A for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 12:22:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@sentry.org) Received: from shadow.sentry.org (shadow.sentry.org [103.78.157.218]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "shadow.sentry.org", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBEF01A7C for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 12:22:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@sentry.org) Received: from shadow.sentry.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shadow.sentry.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v4OCMS9R065655 for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 22:22:28 +1000 (AEST) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@sentry.org) Subject: Re: having trouble making changes to the handbook To: freebsd-doc References: <592041FB.9030408@gmail.com> <20170522050544.GS39245@kduck.kaduk.org> <59231887.7090100@gmail.com> <20170523024852.GV39245@kduck.kaduk.org> <592474C7.3070900@gmail.com> <59257457.1090204@gmail.com> Reply-To: freebsd-doc From: Trev Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 22:22:28 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <59257457.1090204@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (shadow.sentry.org [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 24 May 2017 22:22:28 +1000 (AEST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 12:22:33 -0000 Ernie Luzar wrote on 24/05/2017 21:53: >> Are you referring to the tags which comprise the XML markup? > Yes the "chapter.xml" files with content enclosed with < > like > > Is this markup notation referred to as "tags" or is "markup notations" > the correct way to reference them as a group? XML Markup comprises tags which are used to denote XML elements and attributes. > Where are the intended usage meanings of all the different > combinations of markup notations documented at? Looking at the > online handbook and back tracking to the xml markup notation is not a > easy method of identifying the xml markup notation to use to add new > information to the handbook information. You need the DTD (document type definition) that is being used. The FreeBSD documentation uses the DocBook DTD. If you've already installed the textproc/docbook-xml port, the DTD is part of it. > Now here is the really puzzling question. How would I write > documentation about these xml markup notations showing the real xml > markup notation code in the doc without it being interpreted as > something that gets converted? example > Here is what the xml markup notation code looks like;As > seem in the raw code. You would use the less than and greater than XML character entities in place of the less than and greater than signs. For example, <para> From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Wed May 24 17:54:14 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B363D7C0CA for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 17:54:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andipersti@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr0-x241.google.com (mail-wr0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABEB41E8A for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 17:54:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andipersti@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr0-x241.google.com with SMTP id j27so4002746wre.2 for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 10:54:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=STlqTxDMGTxGBzVL4xtSv0TrxV6aieL+0siNia+pZVE=; b=kI+XDIvwT0l3C5NEBA8v79+XLDfXmEZxsIz5FYWHnyGRv8WBashRV05T7naT6GjwAf O6NssmEn605lurUBXpytmrp11AbO4OjuUtJJTTpk9v95AaUizSDhl4yJwX3WdjyA71Y1 G1NPwPno5+83Yuw2/qhtTJQL7AwTxc8aY03TvvOBoQ4EDxudRb9KxVUGm06VwB0ioqej IVVgnLVcbxB3RR5/5+b86cJuE+xMXzKXsKXqVvDwZ+3DwdRg6KOMnuTLJTr/De4lEQkF IhOg/QeVjOVuexoQXSvPJgnW/gj9x8pgE6uI3WkNJAlCwHWCVPCF4eKuna9hTtrtDn+T 0oxg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=STlqTxDMGTxGBzVL4xtSv0TrxV6aieL+0siNia+pZVE=; b=ueclZU1cu8fFAd8NySZi1UjciASqzCYXLsPd0DYKFTUkgL6VIudm+hUaDZK+6JpIWX jwf753TERK0AxaUz2xD3cGiIQC+BHnRourArRq/ozCZhjnsdvHN5N1/h9a5sJjzMr8xD z8GRnQNQAFrYHi/03ZH9yYfY4sNDHTukfchcnGJ0LexVWh6LQO7fy4wR71cUYjTe7cjf EeuyqJCf1Wj2qmxOgeqwxLMiYQPXS46OnhFBv2mxh2ydQHvomeIwJoHcSNxLWts16BQ6 kZA5v7BJOR9m55u2zfBBsNkDZKxxeVDnggsHXAv7bghWSijapIfi5NejAsVQQNdqF+dr zb2w== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcABUvbYn1ACrzn/kfeVQfNW+HuNe74J8MfUagmLcwV0MLJwYICC q0UasVISgVa9ZDmk X-Received: by 10.223.179.199 with SMTP id x7mr22766539wrd.72.1495648451676; Wed, 24 May 2017 10:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.25] (91-119-83-171.dsl.dynamic.surfer.at. [91.119.83.171]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id g25sm7396387wra.1.2017.05.24.10.54.10 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 24 May 2017 10:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: having trouble making changes to the handbook To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <592041FB.9030408@gmail.com> <20170522050544.GS39245@kduck.kaduk.org> <59231887.7090100@gmail.com> <20170523024852.GV39245@kduck.kaduk.org> <592474C7.3070900@gmail.com> <59257457.1090204@gmail.com> From: Andreas Perstinger Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 19:54:10 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <59257457.1090204@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: de_AT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 17:54:14 -0000 On 2017-05-24 13:53, Ernie Luzar wrote: > Where are the intended usage meanings of all the different combinations > of markup notations documented at? Looking at the online handbook and > back tracking to the xml markup notation is not a easy method of > identifying the xml markup notation to use to add new information to the > handbook information. I think reading chapter 7 ("XML Primer"), 8 ("XHTML Markup") and 9 ("DocBook Markup") of the FDP-Primer should answer most of your questions. Bye, Andreas From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Wed May 24 21:26:06 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49FBED7C961 for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 21:26:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 398EC1529 for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 21:26:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from bugs.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v4OLQ5iS099991 for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 21:26:06 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 219421] [patch] handbook jail chapter removing ezjail section Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 21:26:06 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Component: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: patch X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Many People X-Bugzilla-Who: brd@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Status: Closed X-Bugzilla-Resolution: Rejected X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: bug_status cc resolution Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 21:26:06 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D219421 Brad Davis changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|New |Closed CC| |brd@FreeBSD.org Resolution|--- |Rejected --- Comment #2 from Brad Davis --- Yeah, we are not just going to commit a patch that removes a bunch of useful information and replaces it with nothing. If you really want to see this seriously considered, please submit with documentation on using the replacement method. --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.= From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Thu May 25 11:45:26 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1259D81E0B for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 11:45:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A9B107E for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 11:45:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id D37E5D81E06; Thu, 25 May 2017 11:45:26 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2448D81E03; Thu, 25 May 2017 11:45:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A65921077; Thu, 25 May 2017 11:45:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from FreeBSD.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:6074::16:84]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3BAA401C; Thu, 25 May 2017 11:45:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 11:45:19 +0000 From: Glen Barber To: Baptiste Daroussin Cc: arch@freebsd.org, doceng@freebsd.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The futur of the roff toolchain Message-ID: <20170525114519.GB17188@FreeBSD.org> References: <20170521125733.bmd4tmq6iqpsbvgl@ivaldir.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="61jdw2sOBCFtR2d/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20170521125733.bmd4tmq6iqpsbvgl@ivaldir.net> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-STABLE amd64 X-SCUD-Definition: Sudden Completely Unexpected Dataloss X-SULE-Definition: Sudden Unexpected Learning Event X-PEKBAC-Definition: Problem Exists, Keyboard Between Admin/Computer X-Spidey-Sense: Uh oh, Peter logged in User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.2 (2017-04-18) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 11:45:27 -0000 --61jdw2sOBCFtR2d/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 02:57:33PM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > No the problem left is documentations available in share/doc. >=20 > I would like to push them elsewhere. Those documents are mostly useful for > historical reason (hence we want to keep them) but not really for daily u= se of > modern FreeBSD. > Another issue with those documentation, they are installed as text/ascii = version > in base, which makes most of them not really readable (as the documents h= as not > be written for a ascii/text target but more for a PDF/html view - using p= ic(1) > for example) >=20 > A plan was to push as sources in the svn doc repository and continue to b= uild > them. This approach also have an issue: over the time roff evolved a bit = and > while working on heirloom doctools import I had to fix a bunch of markup = to make > the rendering of those documents clean (also meaning almost noone should = read > them considering some were not really readable). >=20 > What I want to propose now, it to render them as PDF (html?) once and pus= h them > somewhere (to be defined) as static document on our documentation website. > Please doceng@ provide me a location where to push them. >=20 Unless anyone on doceng@ objects within the next three days, I will create a new directory for the PDFs under doc/head/en_US.ISO8859-1/. Glen Hat: doceng@ --61jdw2sOBCFtR2d/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEjRJAPC5sqwhs9k2jAxRYpUeP4pMFAlkmw8oACgkQAxRYpUeP 4pPGnw/+M+TI/COFXDONgIFGRlJMYt9Hs0CtD/aUQYnRavids7Ydj0ZJswCSFGsi wHI3y8HtSd9f7+gTEMC1gyeTIPTIRvIB/9iDhujhJ0RTYrlBop2FPI5hdWjXUXjK 6Xx12t4RaQ4sMvr3HChwZh5Co83N8hxuERJC3d7AjyJRoH8/tu00Yps29GAYDF8y KV4rXIuh9xmEZ49twO71ZXxdWbwWtbTNER5kmqs/7ipt/6t+ZGZK41kF1SQrcTc8 P+Pb59mqR5hEGod6k9XzBYmSLeHhxc4RJE1J9reN8W+30Vhf9ey5MPQvzzlg9TXg IN4zmMO8zs+3LI3U0N0VHkwB5pHPnkmubvK3fHcyPdofBMI82g3kHZZx0N+yWx43 HG8W6vTDHVUVu4SfqtiKnTk+mZxovQYkWkD5yEnd+FqQxTRpNDNtEjMrV2l2nMN5 PtgwBCU3+Ohdr0i8N6A9YYs+zxk0kMQrwuSLs9FK1soFC32oMn/z81WLdkQKYlLv z6F4N8rgMISv+pQJfCsH3M6ThFnPO+VjdEPAlbu3lSNtUnc+1KS5BaSfUZNN0lBw NsIRHyRKzlSsKiMSTSLn8q4t9JCOG0+dOwfYPo/6YpQGqCJkFkxPteSqGajozKEK dLkc6CermAxA+ovjJ+KflWFJEhCt1aXyc3zTb8UZyrtCk9qbiJw= =aTuO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --61jdw2sOBCFtR2d/-- From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Thu May 25 12:07:01 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6833D78E86 for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 12:07:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C385F1FB3 for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 12:07:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id BA2D0D78E82; Thu, 25 May 2017 12:07:01 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9483D78E7F; Thu, 25 May 2017 12:07:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99B2C1FAF; Thu, 25 May 2017 12:07:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1235) id C0CCC449D; Thu, 25 May 2017 12:07:00 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 14:07:00 +0200 From: Baptiste Daroussin To: Glen Barber Cc: arch@freebsd.org, doceng@freebsd.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The futur of the roff toolchain Message-ID: <20170525120629.kv2bi4yjtzcegx4e@ivaldir.net> References: <20170521125733.bmd4tmq6iqpsbvgl@ivaldir.net> <20170525114519.GB17188@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ibymrjwgghg2m2zb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20170525114519.GB17188@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170428 (1.8.2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 12:07:01 -0000 --ibymrjwgghg2m2zb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:45:19AM +0000, Glen Barber wrote: > On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 02:57:33PM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > No the problem left is documentations available in share/doc. > >=20 > > I would like to push them elsewhere. Those documents are mostly useful = for > > historical reason (hence we want to keep them) but not really for daily= use of > > modern FreeBSD. > > Another issue with those documentation, they are installed as text/asci= i version > > in base, which makes most of them not really readable (as the documents= has not > > be written for a ascii/text target but more for a PDF/html view - using= pic(1) > > for example) > >=20 > > A plan was to push as sources in the svn doc repository and continue to= build > > them. This approach also have an issue: over the time roff evolved a bi= t and > > while working on heirloom doctools import I had to fix a bunch of marku= p to make > > the rendering of those documents clean (also meaning almost noone shoul= d read > > them considering some were not really readable). > >=20 > > What I want to propose now, it to render them as PDF (html?) once and p= ush them > > somewhere (to be defined) as static document on our documentation websi= te. > > Please doceng@ provide me a location where to push them. > >=20 >=20 > Unless anyone on doceng@ objects within the next three days, I will > create a new directory for the PDFs under doc/head/en_US.ISO8859-1/. >=20 Thank you, For the record I have pushed the generated PDF: https://people.freebsd.org/~bapt/pdfdocs/ The have been built with a modern groff and I forced the embedded fonts for= all fonts used. Best regards, Bapt --ibymrjwgghg2m2zb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEgOTj3suS2urGXVU3Y4mL3PG3PloFAlkmyOQACgkQY4mL3PG3 PlqUURAAs8gSIXEud08R9TeaN0MQRSPBkKuApTnY9ZkvHoN6Sm2LyJ1MkFuUyXpK bfdeYIHZT5InIWEdfNS9fTu0YzwyiGfwk+mIkz7D2wRjaIrbfci+OWY7Xy8G/ng3 WfCQqAXyujdoR2KcXam7+8VpQ9o0a9I7WKWnDyVEbPtjJjX5PlHGV1Olt9+0LbTd 9bEEOTN1AKuZDDswX5pDDRZdnK4DkwBhm44/HswRue8p15Vv1xAIPsTmvgToQ4Xe PerBcy7czqkMwNj2cjRxCPModkdSWuvVQL09iwtu8T/3+6nGfkeyYwZ4WTW/wOCq N4e6TPytBfoSp8jhlxq0hcgSSlcW6ily5k8DlIQFI0IBJZGDpJobAcVtpPDl+P8V dmUnmdmRaa0Qxu+InpRP1hZFxxdBBoHPvalq/sSfy+mr9UnhEl25qrhVr5W8JqNF gTN9RKgz2rW8bxTQr35rouUZs2iwQ3d/LGI6U6VXqEPMiyJ+VJCjFogrE5wPFI/k lb68Y1qdwaOUsg+iaYDKxNFvsA3TP2PupUs5WEvAmEh/umPJXixLXvtk+gAXKiHF nNngW9olRvWrkA9SAYQRa2udAD30qciUTmjalNxnL8NEnXv3t8J7Dm9Q0wJ+ymNP B6QsFChLGuq4sXYQVebSeqGznQz3ow0mUqBgIZ6fCgfbLs8r5RY= =Nxns -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ibymrjwgghg2m2zb-- From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Thu May 25 12:11:23 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6849D802E9 for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 12:11:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from canine.matt@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x230.google.com (mail-io0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8388A17D9 for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 12:11:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from canine.matt@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x230.google.com with SMTP id k91so135102518ioi.1 for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 05:11:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=UBwCuW5vFP7mxmWqYVhD5nYV7Dv8PWDRlO6ERYmc6fk=; b=LMG1fmSbzIHlsL6RieASTvtZAhYEboOF9XzvRqxf4RMBRKna0yjb324cPyDLv+a3Py +KppTXswJeVFZcHURsOaGswQ3tUweyu0V9ZIfNuFpUfVV6mAxZX1ynLMJV0Zy4C8Wrm3 cA8DO7WioyuAjrNnB1gUPvYYKwYrG9ddG+7PmpLC/dJz8r9R+P1SDIzjQYw2JhWJaStD T+If9yEjL/Y/gOeMVrQj6R3IUUCvhz0UyoKZOllQ4nXOvCMbBoHfPT6PmXv3awFzDSNg s5J5fDULxa7MUud916zcYv7h6ZR0rE6qnyXHLQ4Iqc3Idh4U6X/pTBdwMDfE+aB/lgkO CJtw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=UBwCuW5vFP7mxmWqYVhD5nYV7Dv8PWDRlO6ERYmc6fk=; b=mRvyQxP/O1m0dBL49ajY7cZqpwBIS7LOWuppHLAmTX6odIMgzT0wmt7/Hwcur9wZQs wSIlzPFV3x1SAaeEyEgF34v6EUvEtwy5f7hfA0TtSQ0sNzL/c7Gd4NmcjKB62V0Qo6al xQI3k27vRHWmBqVR7eIwUBm7yx1RCh75TSYTlGWQOoOVyWXO6pHYRU2/4P5apYw/Gke4 rnuyId3AP8Wt1FghLxMEAG/hf7IBZbrnkhZekQACyK53YCYlFvITlW2FHG/L0npGwK12 1QZIyMQw+FG39pmqSvjGErV9X4KvtnL6OdNWlHt0mZ9Itz54aTbVyXkUegkunjFZ85wo qkrg== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcCcmC5QYGmRabZbJXeX5GGDvVQ2t4bbr+oQDrBZJRvqHLaQ3Kvr 3rFdlLEoiMZ7ZdfKr6wQucXHFPPhafkK X-Received: by 10.107.17.134 with SMTP id 6mr35997176ior.177.1495714282714; Thu, 25 May 2017 05:11:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Matthew Kelly Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 12:11:12 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: NFS documentation addition To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 12:11:23 -0000 Something I think should be added to the NFS section of the handbook is a note that when setting up new shares or otherwise configuring your /etc/exports, the order in which the services are started or restarted matters. It took me a lot of time to figure that out (finally ending with it being pointed out to me on the freebsd.org forums), but it isn't mentioned anywhere in the NFS section of the handbook. The three daemons are listed, but they aren't even listed in the order that they need to be started. So I would like to see that section of the handbook modified to either explicitly state that they have to be restarted in the right order for NFS to work, or to at least have the little daemon list reordered to rpcbind>nfsd>mountd. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Thu May 25 12:12:57 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2DBD804AC for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 12:12:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tj@enoti.me) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A01771929 for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 12:12:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tj@enoti.me) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 9A610D804A9; Thu, 25 May 2017 12:12:57 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99793D804A6; Thu, 25 May 2017 12:12:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tj@enoti.me) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7196E1926; Thu, 25 May 2017 12:12:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tj@enoti.me) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672DF20926; Thu, 25 May 2017 08:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 25 May 2017 08:12:55 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=cWugNugJThzWFxoR7e 7ARY9ki91ODXR4j7BzIxSLjjw=; b=eVVq8jKptCPb/RdG+BsgC0Hj4g6prYdNrS PN1nyvtXuZqQHQ1EoZ+uv0541kySfRyy9hlwPiBDAjizBFVeUwZYvPOvwCWTM0CA Vxr1tIJ9vsWGkE2oDPz7vpf1aj8awLfCdDsIaaTUT+mYc6W+4zrWhvSrT9xo+1mx jan2nNkjixvU212ZYNYf7bSYvaRCfHb3hVhY3gZo7vZtjt42W7bWUgUHcIUob3vv t/MOBLZFjHXQRAv/Jbz7fWq//J3E58ZIUMERoLju5opZFSROlKlV3t+Vxv+ACiBz X+/q3iW52BF/wpRzUIKCLmG/GCL+SLnRunibDU9xWpb74VWKGVQg== X-ME-Sender: X-Sasl-enc: UaMzTCUitmFv80ii0EGRD46b52MYv8LA7zPDof9iLCm4 1495714375 Received: from tom-desk.erg.abdn.ac.uk (tom-desk.erg.abdn.ac.uk [139.133.204.4]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8136C7E545; Thu, 25 May 2017 08:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 13:12:51 +0100 From: tj To: Baptiste Daroussin Cc: Glen Barber , arch@freebsd.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org, doceng@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The futur of the roff toolchain Message-ID: <20170525121251.GB55153@tom-desk.erg.abdn.ac.uk> References: <20170521125733.bmd4tmq6iqpsbvgl@ivaldir.net> <20170525114519.GB17188@FreeBSD.org> <20170525120629.kv2bi4yjtzcegx4e@ivaldir.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20170525120629.kv2bi4yjtzcegx4e@ivaldir.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 12:12:57 -0000 On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 02:07:00PM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:45:19AM +0000, Glen Barber wrote: > > On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 02:57:33PM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > > No the problem left is documentations available in share/doc. > > > > > > I would like to push them elsewhere. Those documents are mostly useful for > > > historical reason (hence we want to keep them) but not really for daily use of > > > modern FreeBSD. > > > Another issue with those documentation, they are installed as text/ascii version > > > in base, which makes most of them not really readable (as the documents has not > > > be written for a ascii/text target but more for a PDF/html view - using pic(1) > > > for example) > > > > > > A plan was to push as sources in the svn doc repository and continue to build > > > them. This approach also have an issue: over the time roff evolved a bit and > > > while working on heirloom doctools import I had to fix a bunch of markup to make > > > the rendering of those documents clean (also meaning almost noone should read > > > them considering some were not really readable). > > > > > > What I want to propose now, it to render them as PDF (html?) once and push them > > > somewhere (to be defined) as static document on our documentation website. > > > Please doceng@ provide me a location where to push them. > > > > > > > Unless anyone on doceng@ objects within the next three days, I will > > create a new directory for the PDFs under doc/head/en_US.ISO8859-1/. > > > > Thank you, > > For the record I have pushed the generated PDF: > https://people.freebsd.org/~bapt/pdfdocs/ > > The have been built with a modern groff and I forced the embedded fonts for all > fonts used. > Multicolumn doesn't render correct in firefox for this: https://people.freebsd.org/~bapt/pdfdocs/papers/timecounter.pdf but is fine for this: https://people.freebsd.org/~bapt/pdfdocs/papers/devfs.pdf - [tj] From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Thu May 25 12:22:03 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CEFD809C6 for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 12:22:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CFF31EDF for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 12:22:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 16E8BD809C3; Thu, 25 May 2017 12:22:03 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1610FD809BE; Thu, 25 May 2017 12:22:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDD1F1ED8; Thu, 25 May 2017 12:22:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1235) id 0C9864A0A; Thu, 25 May 2017 12:22:02 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 14:22:01 +0200 From: Baptiste Daroussin To: tj Cc: Glen Barber , arch@freebsd.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org, doceng@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The futur of the roff toolchain Message-ID: <20170525122201.7v5zfspu35a3qx47@ivaldir.net> References: <20170521125733.bmd4tmq6iqpsbvgl@ivaldir.net> <20170525114519.GB17188@FreeBSD.org> <20170525120629.kv2bi4yjtzcegx4e@ivaldir.net> <20170525121251.GB55153@tom-desk.erg.abdn.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3fpbd6igd3luxhs4" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20170525121251.GB55153@tom-desk.erg.abdn.ac.uk> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170428 (1.8.2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 12:22:03 -0000 --3fpbd6igd3luxhs4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 01:12:51PM +0100, tj wrote: > On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 02:07:00PM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:45:19AM +0000, Glen Barber wrote: > > > On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 02:57:33PM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > > > No the problem left is documentations available in share/doc. > > > >=20 > > > > I would like to push them elsewhere. Those documents are mostly use= ful for > > > > historical reason (hence we want to keep them) but not really for d= aily use of > > > > modern FreeBSD. > > > > Another issue with those documentation, they are installed as text/= ascii version > > > > in base, which makes most of them not really readable (as the docum= ents has not > > > > be written for a ascii/text target but more for a PDF/html view - u= sing pic(1) > > > > for example) > > > >=20 > > > > A plan was to push as sources in the svn doc repository and continu= e to build > > > > them. This approach also have an issue: over the time roff evolved = a bit and > > > > while working on heirloom doctools import I had to fix a bunch of m= arkup to make > > > > the rendering of those documents clean (also meaning almost noone s= hould read > > > > them considering some were not really readable). > > > >=20 > > > > What I want to propose now, it to render them as PDF (html?) once a= nd push them > > > > somewhere (to be defined) as static document on our documentation w= ebsite. > > > > Please doceng@ provide me a location where to push them. > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Unless anyone on doceng@ objects within the next three days, I will > > > create a new directory for the PDFs under doc/head/en_US.ISO8859-1/. > > >=20 > >=20 > > Thank you, > >=20 > > For the record I have pushed the generated PDF: > > https://people.freebsd.org/~bapt/pdfdocs/ > >=20 > > The have been built with a modern groff and I forced the embedded fonts= for all > > fonts used. > >=20 >=20 > Multicolumn doesn't render correct in firefox for this: >=20 > https://people.freebsd.org/~bapt/pdfdocs/papers/timecounter.pdf >=20 > but is fine for this: >=20 > https://people.freebsd.org/~bapt/pdfdocs/papers/devfs.pdf >=20 Good catch thanks! I will see what I can do Bapt --3fpbd6igd3luxhs4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEgOTj3suS2urGXVU3Y4mL3PG3PloFAlkmzGYACgkQY4mL3PG3 Plrl1A/9HWlW6GLv1EXf9ER47FzYBvz5okI6F99oCV53L6mpPc5lWKMb2Pwu8m+W cZumcsXtNpjS31GvG5BVifKoLZzBdYjHb5L6FyO1niFUWgPYrrOvtl0ZJixNEvpk 3M9PFTTURwIXJXlhEg5BkXcFEKowfrDibg8aQ0848/Wq0pOHuxvlg8bAVWU7BcLb N46av5gh3nW4gdt23wFtiSdM+/GnMZAbF3+RHDdtrmS8vhQsW2GRHJqx0sHApYSy TEt/n7F1kvyXGZbTOS7xuVMmYTH52+/XoQe3X/sxVzLT94Mf/1CMBh3lTvYoMaqI KGU5oLoIPYD0X/HSg31aCH6RwF8njiF6qdfBGmckZJymg33Vg1pJyDYkDF/u2GZ+ buUnjR5u3sNHIrWmyQI/syuZJlp1JhrgAvQU0AmxB1K2LE1z4WHeT3eCWeV3kM5C AJChnsmttYKDq0vVqR51RKLW4aWcGVH/MGF3YN5Odp/x4ruhI5o4hw/DNmf2/MqH LbTNnICfd84vnlKqNKG6gBezIJPUtvtwFE7KA92gS/dtcExYdmmB3UGT3MHAC/mr bDqgEp2VBrNh9I9ja/DOPgEJObyIMuv21xZ3xsJmOpXmci2ltTiS88Ddo0/7wxle ALPdQLjpi/kM4bmfn20Iio6Uyssquz48LRTV7BB1z409OkmTelg= =nB81 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3fpbd6igd3luxhs4-- From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Thu May 25 12:59:49 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC5FD81756 for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 12:59:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4878713D2 for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 12:59:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 3EF16D81753; Thu, 25 May 2017 12:59:49 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E078D8174D; Thu, 25 May 2017 12:59:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:6074::16:84]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3C1D13CF; Thu, 25 May 2017 12:59:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1235) id 2ACC25230; Thu, 25 May 2017 12:59:48 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 14:59:47 +0200 From: Baptiste Daroussin To: tj Cc: Glen Barber , arch@freebsd.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org, doceng@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The futur of the roff toolchain Message-ID: <20170525125947.5myf5cavuyxvwvkr@ivaldir.net> References: <20170521125733.bmd4tmq6iqpsbvgl@ivaldir.net> <20170525114519.GB17188@FreeBSD.org> <20170525120629.kv2bi4yjtzcegx4e@ivaldir.net> <20170525121251.GB55153@tom-desk.erg.abdn.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="efqrsk2ytmo7fvgn" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20170525121251.GB55153@tom-desk.erg.abdn.ac.uk> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170428 (1.8.2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 12:59:49 -0000 --efqrsk2ytmo7fvgn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 01:12:51PM +0100, tj wrote: > On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 02:07:00PM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:45:19AM +0000, Glen Barber wrote: > > > On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 02:57:33PM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > > > No the problem left is documentations available in share/doc. > > > >=20 > > > > I would like to push them elsewhere. Those documents are mostly use= ful for > > > > historical reason (hence we want to keep them) but not really for d= aily use of > > > > modern FreeBSD. > > > > Another issue with those documentation, they are installed as text/= ascii version > > > > in base, which makes most of them not really readable (as the docum= ents has not > > > > be written for a ascii/text target but more for a PDF/html view - u= sing pic(1) > > > > for example) > > > >=20 > > > > A plan was to push as sources in the svn doc repository and continu= e to build > > > > them. This approach also have an issue: over the time roff evolved = a bit and > > > > while working on heirloom doctools import I had to fix a bunch of m= arkup to make > > > > the rendering of those documents clean (also meaning almost noone s= hould read > > > > them considering some were not really readable). > > > >=20 > > > > What I want to propose now, it to render them as PDF (html?) once a= nd push them > > > > somewhere (to be defined) as static document on our documentation w= ebsite. > > > > Please doceng@ provide me a location where to push them. > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Unless anyone on doceng@ objects within the next three days, I will > > > create a new directory for the PDFs under doc/head/en_US.ISO8859-1/. > > >=20 > >=20 > > Thank you, > >=20 > > For the record I have pushed the generated PDF: > > https://people.freebsd.org/~bapt/pdfdocs/ > >=20 > > The have been built with a modern groff and I forced the embedded fonts= for all > > fonts used. > >=20 >=20 > Multicolumn doesn't render correct in firefox for this: >=20 > https://people.freebsd.org/~bapt/pdfdocs/papers/timecounter.pdf >=20 > but is fine for this: >=20 > https://people.freebsd.org/~bapt/pdfdocs/papers/devfs.pdf >=20 > - [tj] Fixed, and reuploaded. because there should be some caching on people.f.o y= ou cannot yet see the fixed version but I have fixed it. It is supposed to be a monocolumn as far as I understand it. Bapt --efqrsk2ytmo7fvgn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEgOTj3suS2urGXVU3Y4mL3PG3PloFAlkm1ToACgkQY4mL3PG3 PloR3Q//Sus+q3+ZmmlLh+P16EmEAWbidUc0Ba5lsMTY7HBfMTtZhNn4HUbGsbdy Fu7nHar91tNzEmR1HofmA3U0NtI7WvdzzZTKWkBFIUg1WIEEox4+QygRazV+gZLp AKHw7/QlPNwrHLA7net+aI282qf8qglelCMTooDZpg3f7uV6p/zVImIDITC9ioxX wequmVtHQAmpREO8KoYN24xeuKfzBJvX69b1yNa6PDkrTuCJHlq5FjIhQ1mthfWj ZVAiAPl0AhoqrjYFoXt+6VylOsGMLP9MJdYNM4x+F//0gewJ10OAjSGwxXVyZtl+ 1zpLGkeR4qEVrAfSGP60umfztGz2n/wPw3bDAsRvAnxaj+ccfiJ9a/z9t92Tavek kQIdlsi2kmmQ50QVJdpBZolmNA7wCxbsiOagfos2wf9+3XxCsETobGUcwcLbhfSo SdKpr/3phIx4lfHHAaaEChStj/jRHWYd0tfcdGWWTl6EZ+iz4coyGMiqGFLiGZI5 CTkjt7wNrdE1pj5Ooc9Y7Is4yenL7i0Qtj8R0PB0YoDqMKzEnxJDZns4aH3pxJOA c3tcLsKlRG/cVMIII52FtFcbKExN+NmngPXdERJwgCGjc56JblZsXa2GPlM+Bsrc aC7plRtXkTAPb+8UVADjHc+YcafX4Egtt6kEoDdqN6ibjSB67GY= =ClDq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --efqrsk2ytmo7fvgn-- From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Thu May 25 13:24:40 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D66D81FD9 for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 13:24:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rockyhotas@post.com) Received: from mout.gmx.com (mout.gmx.com [74.208.4.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mail.gmx.com", Issuer "thawte SSL CA - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E74D13BA for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 13:24:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rockyhotas@post.com) Received: from [79.27.64.211] by 3capp-mailcom-lxa16.server.lan (via HTTP); Thu, 25 May 2017 15:19:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: "Rocky Hotas" To: "Matthew Kelly" Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS documentation addition Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 15:19:27 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: References: X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:1Mvqle5HWElJxOH8KvYscPTPppYIeXf2j3btXKTlzkn Zn3AGCbogoIB09yVK8F6MP7efv2JwPQH11XefftetCCkzFlzlF BVNwnO1wsj6HlqF6zLQ11M2p863WVZHlF9tGOqGqDU8PWNeObX nKl9FZ1Fi861WBQolCS+MzjqTL9gXFkC+HJNO5dxtNBVtRfouT TkACCqMJQ6c3tVwhPby3vv0pjO3MQSAn21iBb4HYaQo/t98iVg x/ozDDwi3YWknQVgT2ZqBI2sRdfptMufIUL0FIPdpuTL7igJlT T14+kkXeeAGkxOD/W7w/jdNmUW1 X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:bMCUdfxFfF0=:Z+GaSkex5pHNrFnbMBoqP5 cMBywaFnFTHRE4um1AyXDU/VjjmnRX5/5/9iFDOcW1ZxuK54+F7ctWj8w96nAH4oWcrAJhI/3 uTkA0yYw5xyfPXH1m+zNt9aHGjTEAjGtEByBrQywhH76Qse9kHdifVfVDSih0OURB1LAwh1Gl FmKvU9gE2Mza4jqUnxZ6hQRvIKwnkBEIauNR1zHA+hg8hH5V6kSM7u1ixAsAbl+NsIU7M1WtT Ejp3Ze9luuOKAj6B2rfN7iBdfiY8uQovGLKV6XGhvl50gZwFt1P2o6DPf3UuNHZ6NDcu8e5Dr b6c5Ug43YFfj8AorkwG2yJByu9lO1fyNck59KRAq63n0auGf8s6xP0hReGPCjxbUf47spJVp5 6zG++O2b0Ho7SB+qqPOYgmvazf9i+6zSpbQWkd73r7wA1Lnf1wvc9gWDDLpFVzYjKLXd1r0Sw FO4AE2i3zw== X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 13:24:40 -0000 Dear Mattew, > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 2:11 PM > From: "Matthew Kelly" > To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org > Subject: NFS documentation addition > [...] > So I would like to see that section of the handbook modified to either > explicitly state that they have to be restarted in the right order for NFS > to work, or to at least have the little daemon list reordered to > rpcbind>nfsd>mountd. Thank you for pointing this out. In fact, the guide is not clear about them. Moreover, the handbook in https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-nfs.html doesn't mention NFSv4 at all. It should, instead, because the syntax for the `/etc/exports configuration' file is a little bit different (and the services are too), if NFSv4 has to be used. In this case, however, at least the manpage nfsv4(4) is suitable for a correct configuration. This forum thread https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/23526/ also deals with it. > > Thank you. I would suggest you to signal this problem by reporting the bug, using https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ ("Report an issue with the FreeBSD documentation or website"). Bye! Rocky From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Thu May 25 14:24:51 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19396D81B42 for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 14:24:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tj@enoti.me) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1576115F for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 14:24:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tj@enoti.me) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id EB46BD81B3C; Thu, 25 May 2017 14:24:50 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8EBD81B38; Thu, 25 May 2017 14:24:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tj@enoti.me) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C21E1115C; Thu, 25 May 2017 14:24:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tj@enoti.me) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6366320760; Thu, 25 May 2017 10:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 25 May 2017 10:24:49 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=fQBrQ7UU0gwFH52vf0 FqAuXlVC2eUTODXa+2Yv4LigM=; b=GD+MmqIaiWtoMxBpVDpN6JnuUqjFWbZxyA hKH7xaib8BNQ1T6TuMIjXTFUrro9WN4m+TaiRpJZPXxoC8VfcaqtahMPt9n6N6FR iRaIgk+D30YbGnO1md9JTDPimiRftXCUZB7ZyGBDXJodj23NJrW+biHvFP+bZUM1 IZk7lxbTJ2OvI7fQS3HpGyHQ7hEtNGSESVr/N3+zUqvCK2h+I9zT/9nfS10elpAm ydvVWBJ5M5KOBr/Ik1RZ4/YV6jrWa9ShRX+ydzi21o2B2sFHsZcjBWTJv8RlFNdy 0f6vOyhiSBakSlKm+ClIsQVFxl2ICwm1wYCrWBFy30PwpWJhDA9w== X-ME-Sender: X-Sasl-enc: s1hPxXPkM0lsx61OaMVWkPuDiIpfRUOAjUeA/kysX7f/ 1495722288 Received: from tom-desk.erg.abdn.ac.uk (tom-desk.erg.abdn.ac.uk [139.133.204.4]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5E52E7E545; Thu, 25 May 2017 10:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 15:24:45 +0100 From: tj To: Baptiste Daroussin Cc: Glen Barber , doc@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org, doceng@freebsd.org, arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The futur of the roff toolchain Message-ID: <20170525142445.GC55153@tom-desk.erg.abdn.ac.uk> References: <20170521125733.bmd4tmq6iqpsbvgl@ivaldir.net> <20170525114519.GB17188@FreeBSD.org> <20170525120629.kv2bi4yjtzcegx4e@ivaldir.net> <20170525121251.GB55153@tom-desk.erg.abdn.ac.uk> <20170525125947.5myf5cavuyxvwvkr@ivaldir.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20170525125947.5myf5cavuyxvwvkr@ivaldir.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 14:24:51 -0000 > > Fixed, and reuploaded. because there should be some caching on people.f.o you > cannot yet see the fixed version but I have fixed it. It is supposed to be a > monocolumn as far as I understand it. 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Thank you for your time, Blake Mcgrath From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Thu May 25 18:12:05 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 775F8D824F0 for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 18:12:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67B091753 for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 18:12:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from bugs.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v4PIC5ef075525 for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 18:12:05 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 219539] r50251 broke link for security advisories Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 18:12:05 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: new X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Component: Website X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Only Me X-Bugzilla-Who: delphij@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Status: New X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: bug_id short_desc product version rep_platform op_sys bug_status bug_severity priority component assigned_to reporter Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 18:12:05 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D219539 Bug ID: 219539 Summary: r50251 broke link for security advisories Product: Documentation Version: Latest Hardware: Any OS: Any Status: New Severity: Affects Only Me Priority: --- Component: Website Assignee: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Reporter: delphij@FreeBSD.org With doc/ r50251 (https://svnweb.freebsd.org/doc?view=3Drevision&revision= =3D50251) landed, https://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/makeworld.html is no longer valid. Could you please create a redirection for this one, or rename the updating-src-building link end back to 'makeworld'? --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.= From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Thu May 25 18:12:16 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55233D8251A for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 18:12:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4548B17BD for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 18:12:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from bugs.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v4PICGix082532 for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 18:12:16 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 219539] r50251 broke link for security advisories Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 18:12:16 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Component: Website X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Only Me X-Bugzilla-Who: delphij@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Status: New X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: wblock@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: assigned_to Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 18:12:16 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D219539 Xin LI changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Assignee|freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org |wblock@FreeBSD.org --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.= From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Thu May 25 20:47:13 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2ADD82E80 for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 20:47:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AC87131F for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 20:47:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from bugs.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v4PKlCQL063754 for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 20:47:12 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: =?UTF-8?B?W0J1ZyAyMTk0NzFdIDxQTWFrZSDigJQgQSBUdXRvcmlhbD46IG1lbnRpb24g?= =?UTF-8?B?LXAyIGZsYWcgYnV0IGRvIG5vdCBleGlzdCBmb3IgbWFrZQ==?= Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 20:47:13 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Component: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Only Me X-Bugzilla-Who: bapt@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Status: Closed X-Bugzilla-Resolution: Works As Intended X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: bug_status resolution Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 20:47:13 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D219471 Baptiste Daroussin changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|New |Closed Resolution|--- |Works As Intended --- Comment #1 from Baptiste Daroussin --- This documentation is there for history and actually was removed. FreeBSD d= oes not use pmake anymore but bmake. --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.= From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Thu May 25 20:49:54 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F51AD82F52 for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 20:49:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3EE9F13CB for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 20:49:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from bugs.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v4PKnsw3067534 for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 20:49:54 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 219482] pmake book say different with man of make about "include" Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 20:49:54 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Component: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Only Me X-Bugzilla-Who: bapt@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Status: Closed X-Bugzilla-Resolution: Works As Intended X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: resolution bug_status Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 20:49:54 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D219482 Baptiste Daroussin changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Resolution|--- |Works As Intended Status|New |Closed --- Comment #1 from Baptiste Daroussin --- This document is about the old pmake implementation from long ago. FreeBSD = uses bmake now. --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.= From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Fri May 26 09:26:45 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B87D7B3E3 for ; Fri, 26 May 2017 09:26:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62AB91FAA for ; Fri, 26 May 2017 09:26:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from bugs.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v4Q9Qjnd052782 for ; Fri, 26 May 2017 09:26:45 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: =?UTF-8?B?W0J1ZyAyMTk0NzFdIDxQTWFrZSDigJQgQSBUdXRvcmlhbD46IG1lbnRpb24g?= =?UTF-8?B?LXAyIGZsYWcgYnV0IGRvIG5vdCBleGlzdCBmb3IgbWFrZQ==?= Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 09:26:45 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Component: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Only Me X-Bugzilla-Who: amutu@amutu.com X-Bugzilla-Status: Closed X-Bugzilla-Resolution: Works As Intended X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 09:26:45 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D219471 --- Comment #2 from Jov --- But the man page of make and /usr/share/mk/bsd.README still reference this = doc: man of page: This manual page is intended as a reference document only. For a more thorough description of make and makefiles, please refer to PMake - A Tutorial. /usr/share/mk/bsd.README: See also make(1), mkdep(1), style.Makefile(5) and `PMake - A Tutorial', loc= ated in /usr/share/doc/psd/12.make. I will open a PR for this. --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.= From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Fri May 26 09:32:58 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23421D7B752 for ; Fri, 26 May 2017 09:32:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FB4D1481 for ; Fri, 26 May 2017 09:32:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from bugs.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v4Q9Wv2X070381 for ; Fri, 26 May 2017 09:32:57 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 219567] man of make and /usr/share/mk/bsd.README should mention make on freebsd 10 and after is bmake not pmake, so the may out of date Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 09:32:58 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: new X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Component: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Only Me X-Bugzilla-Who: amutu@amutu.com X-Bugzilla-Status: New X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: bug_id short_desc product version rep_platform op_sys bug_status bug_severity priority component assigned_to reporter Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 09:32:58 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D219567 Bug ID: 219567 Summary: man of make and /usr/share/mk/bsd.README should mention make on freebsd 10 and after is bmake not pmake,so the may out of date Product: Documentation Version: Latest Hardware: Any OS: Any Status: New Severity: Affects Only Me Priority: --- Component: Documentation Assignee: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Reporter: amutu@amutu.com as https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D219471 say FreeBSD make is bmake=EF=BC=8Cbut the man page of make and /usr/share/m= k/bsd.README still reference this doc: man of page: This manual page is intended as a reference document only. For a more thorough description of make and makefiles, please refer to PMake - A Tutorial. /usr/share/mk/bsd.README: See also make(1), mkdep(1), style.Makefile(5) and `PMake - A Tutorial', loc= ated in /usr/share/doc/psd/12.make. --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.= From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Fri May 26 20:29:05 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26864D8363E for ; Fri, 26 May 2017 20:29:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from JMWilliams@dps61.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D836D14A4 for ; Fri, 26 May 2017 20:29:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from JMWilliams@dps61.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id D4C10D8363D; Fri, 26 May 2017 20:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2AA6D8363C for ; 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From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Sat May 27 15:08:35 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD337D851FE for ; Sat, 27 May 2017 15:08:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D47E1FA3 for ; Sat, 27 May 2017 15:08:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from bugs.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v4RF8ZfU032093 for ; Sat, 27 May 2017 15:08:35 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 219600] Path given for automounted drives is incorrect Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 15:08:35 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: new X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Component: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Only Me X-Bugzilla-Who: allcoms@gmail.com X-Bugzilla-Status: New X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: bug_id short_desc product version rep_platform op_sys bug_status bug_severity priority component assigned_to reporter Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 15:08:35 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D219600 Bug ID: 219600 Summary: Path given for automounted drives is incorrect Product: Documentation Version: Latest Hardware: Any OS: Any Status: New Severity: Affects Only Me Priority: --- Component: Documentation Assignee: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Reporter: allcoms@gmail.com Section 17.4.2. Automounting Removable Media ( https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/usb-disks.html ) of the Handbook state= s: "Each file system that can be automatically mounted appears as a directory = in /media/." That's not quite correct. Desktop shortcuts (which haven't work for me under Caja or Thunar) are created for each removable drive under /media but the drives are actually mounted under /autofs.=20 This is the case under FreeBSD 12 and TrueOS at least. I've not tried it un= der FreeBSD 11 yet so maybe the handbook is correct for FreeBSD 11 and earlier? --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.=