From owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Thu Feb 16 11:21:12 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23911CE1B27 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:21:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karl@denninger.net) Received: from mail.denninger.net (denninger.net [70.169.168.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC1016CE for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:21:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karl@denninger.net) Received: from [192.168.1.40] (Karl-Desktop.Denninger.net [192.168.1.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.denninger.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8D73E1BF03A for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 05:21:05 -0600 (CST) To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Karl Denninger Subject: Server performance & enhancement Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 05:20:52 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-512; boundary="------------ms020508000505050506020107" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:21:12 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms020508000505050506020107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm wondering what people think of a forward path for the following: CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5620 @ 2.40GHz (2400.14-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin=3D"GenuineIntel" Id=3D0x206c2 Family=3D0x6 Model=3D0x2c Step= ping=3D2 =20 Features=3D0xbfebfbff =20 Features2=3D0x29ee3ff AMD Features=3D0x2c100800 AMD Features2=3D0x1 VT-x: PAT,HLT,MTF,PAUSE,EPT,UG,VPID TSC: P-state invariant, performance statistics real memory =3D 25773998080 (24580 MB) avail memory =3D 24915828736 (23761 MB) Event timer "LAPIC" quality 600 ACPI APIC Table: <111612 APIC1749> FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 16 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: 2 package(s) x 4 core(s) x 2 hardware threads The system board is a Supermicro and has embedded IPMI (which I require for remote admin purposes) on a separate interface. It's plenty fast but very power-hungry. I'm interested in other's experience with various system board options, and processors, that will return /better /performance and which have a good history running FreeBSD /but with lower power consumption. /Any suggestions welcome. --=20 Karl Denninger karl@denninger.net /The Market Ticker/ /[S/MIME encrypted email preferred]/ --------------ms020508000505050506020107 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgMFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC BlwwggZYMIIEQKADAgECAgE9MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAMIGQMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzEQMA4G A1UECBMHRmxvcmlkYTESMBAGA1UEBxMJTmljZXZpbGxlMRkwFwYDVQQKExBDdWRhIFN5c3Rl bXMgTExDMRwwGgYDVQQDExNDdWRhIFN5c3RlbXMgTExDIENBMSIwIAYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhND dWRhIFN5c3RlbXMgTExDIENBMB4XDTE2MTIxODE5NDUzNVoXDTIxMTIxNzE5NDUzNVowVzEL MAkGA1UEBhMCVVMxEDAOBgNVBAgTB0Zsb3JpZGExGTAXBgNVBAoTEEN1ZGEgU3lzdGVtcyBM TEMxGzAZBgNVBAMUEmthcmxAZGVubmluZ2VyLm5ldDCCAiIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADggIP ADCCAgoCggIBAM2N5maxs7NkoY9g5NMxFWll0TYiO7gXrGZTo3q25ZJgNdPMwrntLz/5ewE9 07TEbwJ3ah/Ep9BfZm7JF9vTtE1HkgKtXNKi0pawNGm1Yn26Dz5AbUr1byby6dFtDJr14E07 trzDCtRRvTkOVSBj6PQPal0fAnDtkIYQBVcuMkXkuMCtyfE95pjm8g4K9l7lAcKii3T1/3rE hCc1o2nBnb7EN1/XwBeCDGB+I2SN/ftZDbKQqGAF5q9dUn+iXU7Z/CVSfUWmhVh6cVZA4Ftv TglUqj410OuPx+cUQch3h1kFgsuhQR63HiJc3HbRJllHsV0rihvL1CjeARQkhnA6uY9NLFST p5I/PfzBzW2MSmtN/tGZvmfKKnmtbfUNgkzbIR1K3lsum+yEL71kB93Xtz/4f1demEx5c8TJ RBIniDHjDeLGK1aoBu8nfnvXAvgthFNTWBOEoR49AHEPjC3kZj0l8JQml1Y8bTQD5gtC5txl klO60WV0EufU7Hy9CmynMuFtjiA2v71pm097rXeCdrAKgisdYeEESB+SFrlY65rLiLv4n8o1 PX7DqRfqKkOYIakZ0ug/yHVKcq2EM3RiJxwzls5gT70CoOBlKbrC98O8TA6teON0Jq30M06t NTI2HhvNbJDLbBH+Awf4h1UKB+0ufENwjVvF5Jfz8Ww/FaSDAgMBAAGjgfQwgfEwNwYIKwYB BQUHAQEEKzApMCcGCCsGAQUFBzABhhtodHRwOi8vY3VkYXN5c3RlbXMubmV0Ojg4ODgwCQYD VR0TBAIwADARBglghkgBhvhCAQEEBAMCBaAwCwYDVR0PBAQDAgXgMCwGCWCGSAGG+EIBDQQf Fh1PcGVuU1NMIEdlbmVyYXRlZCBDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZTAdBgNVHQ4EFgQUpfAI3y+751pp9A0w 6vJHx8RoR/MwHwYDVR0jBBgwFoAUJHGbnYV9/N3dvbDKkpQDofrTbTUwHQYDVR0RBBYwFIES a2FybEBkZW5uaW5nZXIubmV0MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAA4ICAQBiB6MlugxYJdccD8boZ/u8 d8VxmLkJCtbfyYHRjYdyoABLW5hE3k3xSpYCM9L7vzWyV/UWwDYKi4ZzxHo4g+jG/GQZfKhx v38BQjL2G9xD0Hn2d+cygOq3UPjVYlbbfQoew6JbyCFXrrZ7/0jvRMLAN2+bRC7ynaFUixPH Whnj9JSH7ieYdzak8KN+G2coIC2t2iyfXVKehzi5gdNQ0vJ7+ypbGsRm4gE8Mdo9N/WgFPvZ HPFqR9Dwas7Z+aHwOabpk5r/336SyjOaZsn3MqKJQZL6GqDKusVOCWt+9uFAD8kadg7FetZe atIoD9I+zbp59oVoMnkMDMx7Hi85faU03csusqMGsjSsAzWSI1N8PJytZlchLiykokLKc3OL G87QKlErotlou7cfPX2BbEAH5wmkj9oiqZhxIL/wwAUA+PkiTbEmksKBNompSjUq/6UsR8EA s74gnu17lmijv8mrg2qMlwRirE7qG8pnE8egLtCDxcjd0Of9WMi2NJskn0/ovC7P+J60Napl m3ZIgPJst1piYSE0Zc1FIat4fFphMfK5v4iLblo1tFSlkdx1UNDGdg/U+LaXkNVXlMp8fyPm R80V6cIrCAlEWnBJNxG1UyfbbsvNMCCZBM4faGGsR/hhQOiydlruxhjL6P8J2WV8p11DdeGx KymWoil2s1J5WTGCBRMwggUPAgEBMIGWMIGQMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzEQMA4GA1UECBMHRmxv cmlkYTESMBAGA1UEBxMJTmljZXZpbGxlMRkwFwYDVQQKExBDdWRhIFN5c3RlbXMgTExDMRww GgYDVQQDExNDdWRhIFN5c3RlbXMgTExDIENBMSIwIAYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhNDdWRhIFN5c3Rl bXMgTExDIENBAgE9MA0GCWCGSAFlAwQCAwUAoIICTTAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZIhvcN AQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0xNzAyMTYxMTIwNTJaME8GCSqGSIb3DQEJBDFCBEDTMnX3 vxBhHpQJEqEzmflAqyYTVvwZcIKrOutYGQhrEgZScjNn/Hh7952sWwGlg4JuUHOG1x3tlUkg IVNqFXSDMGwGCSqGSIb3DQEJDzFfMF0wCwYJYIZIAWUDBAEqMAsGCWCGSAFlAwQBAjAKBggq hkiG9w0DBzAOBggqhkiG9w0DAgICAIAwDQYIKoZIhvcNAwICAUAwBwYFKw4DAgcwDQYIKoZI hvcNAwICASgwgacGCSsGAQQBgjcQBDGBmTCBljCBkDELMAkGA1UEBhMCVVMxEDAOBgNVBAgT B0Zsb3JpZGExEjAQBgNVBAcTCU5pY2V2aWxsZTEZMBcGA1UEChMQQ3VkYSBTeXN0ZW1zIExM QzEcMBoGA1UEAxMTQ3VkYSBTeXN0ZW1zIExMQyBDQTEiMCAGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYTQ3VkYSBT eXN0ZW1zIExMQyBDQQIBPTCBqQYLKoZIhvcNAQkQAgsxgZmggZYwgZAxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVT MRAwDgYDVQQIEwdGbG9yaWRhMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlOaWNldmlsbGUxGTAXBgNVBAoTEEN1ZGEg U3lzdGVtcyBMTEMxHDAaBgNVBAMTE0N1ZGEgU3lzdGVtcyBMTEMgQ0ExIjAgBgkqhkiG9w0B CQEWE0N1ZGEgU3lzdGVtcyBMTEMgQ0ECAT0wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAEggIAhMzWgCQxaLzB WVjEPjm81ZPh2kvW1hfnsNoTaivjwmX3mgRWzmplaqQ89/xFgvCxVYtprFt9taURJ90mwCf4 t9y7t9zUS5GX5kf+y/kYgdCxbehXoUiT6HZC4T8ihck0MQF/7ewC5uC9jjTVN7wK4YFZCmFb gkStKV3SOZrTi06PRPo/LmL+rjnj7EfMS6KHGMG+LlLR5Lwq6VR0FC9Yb+2oyHRun8B+HXXu /oWDTaeye2ZedUOS8wrkmaxG2OvZpVfAH2Mv1MOliwvsrbmKI4vEpM9e865CNE0SEUtRjqzB 4LosXqSfTIlK7u0pBD/LWBx9q9cdb/Z1vJpm93C0SdmKtNJNnGw+Kv0tXNSaJI6qc/oh5cCF yhJgHS0YgGzc5q1xqVTzymqKGfCmS5FDKVu3ox6DmklkTQW9PcdG3B03qNBo7tr6aBM4MWV8 lsLyZU5ZIz5b61Lr23PpfvpfDt4KgDuvauN8mahp8wqHsDOtnONdcQeh5JPQLwNDB5a1wo4l bSodyFnvgNhshxqPxl3aU9SnpgIGi0b29j4Ds8wREnVRXWDegSl7CD2WiWu2Nx+BBDdPZFnA 5ZPxtEAOrNLbSHUtdGUjJh2RL2BhKtp2YHuxUQAuJqyLnaJnlKDgZWbmHHXqfjHIkalVS011 uCCJlLzACooJouRq4XGd5fwAAAAAAAA= --------------ms020508000505050506020107-- From owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Thu Feb 16 12:00:55 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A14CE2AA6 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:00:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from mx0.gid.co.uk (mx0.gid.co.uk [194.32.164.250]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B35461ED7 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:00:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from [194.32.164.15] ([194.32.164.15]) by mx0.gid.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id v1GBmuF6005416; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:48:56 GMT (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: Server performance & enhancement From: Bob Bishop In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:49:03 +0000 Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Karl Denninger X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:00:55 -0000 Hi, > On 16 Feb 2017, at 11:20, Karl Denninger wrote: >=20 > I'm wondering what people think of a forward path for the following: >=20 >=20 > CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5620 @ 2.40GHz (2400.14-MHz > K8-class CPU) > Origin=3D"GenuineIntel" Id=3D0x206c2 Family=3D0x6 Model=3D0x2c = Stepping=3D2 >=20 > = Features=3D0xbfebfbff >=20 > = Features2=3D0x29ee3ff > AMD Features=3D0x2c100800 > AMD Features2=3D0x1 > VT-x: PAT,HLT,MTF,PAUSE,EPT,UG,VPID > TSC: P-state invariant, performance statistics > real memory =3D 25773998080 (24580 MB) > avail memory =3D 24915828736 (23761 MB) > Event timer "LAPIC" quality 600 > ACPI APIC Table: <111612 APIC1749> > FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 16 CPUs > FreeBSD/SMP: 2 package(s) x 4 core(s) x 2 hardware threads >=20 > The system board is a Supermicro and has embedded IPMI (which I = require > for remote admin purposes) on a separate interface. It's plenty fast > but very power-hungry. >=20 > I'm interested in other's experience with various system board = options, > and processors, that will return /better /performance and which have a > good history running FreeBSD /but with lower power consumption. >=20 > /Any suggestions welcome. We=E2=80=99ve had good experiences with Intel=E2=80=99s own servers = based on the S2600Gx m=E2=80=99boards but might be overkill for you. > --=20 > Karl Denninger > karl@denninger.net > /The Market Ticker/ > /[S/MIME encrypted email preferred]/ -- Bob Bishop rb@gid.co.uk From owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Thu Feb 16 13:26:13 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0927ECE19C1 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 13:26:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF85D1E24 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 13:26:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41DA6208ED for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 08:20:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from web2 ([10.202.2.212]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 16 Feb 2017 08:20:53 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=OG 8usHblN3sLSvSGKKbtQs/qm/c=; b=sQOM6fV49Lhtdebc1+tas57XXSerHuz1II NYYl6VQaxP6BsvbjI1M4TA2ayia5ib1C70xt7G3xjK4/wAD83Y90msEoT8HK9G1N GCUpgdYBxVwGCzdk45kfMh54WmDzW/so1CSID/+5zb0SdqErpZnZ7nI0/I2NMygW 54JUIz5NU= X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id 1E5D0626CF; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 08:20:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1487251253.3617889.883003792.66BD1788@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Josh Paetzel To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-7cfc9722 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 07:20:53 -0600 In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Server performance & enhancement References: X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 13:26:13 -0000 On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, at 05:20 AM, Karl Denninger wrote: > I'm wondering what people think of a forward path for the following: > > > CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5620 @ 2.40GHz (2400.14-MHz > K8-class CPU) > Origin="GenuineIntel" Id=0x206c2 Family=0x6 Model=0x2c Stepping=2 > > Features=0xbfebfbff > > Features2=0x29ee3ff > AMD Features=0x2c100800 > AMD Features2=0x1 > VT-x: PAT,HLT,MTF,PAUSE,EPT,UG,VPID > TSC: P-state invariant, performance statistics > real memory = 25773998080 (24580 MB) > avail memory = 24915828736 (23761 MB) > Event timer "LAPIC" quality 600 > ACPI APIC Table: <111612 APIC1749> > FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 16 CPUs > FreeBSD/SMP: 2 package(s) x 4 core(s) x 2 hardware threads > > The system board is a Supermicro and has embedded IPMI (which I require > for remote admin purposes) on a separate interface. It's plenty fast > but very power-hungry. > > I'm interested in other's experience with various system board options, > and processors, that will return /better /performance and which have a > good history running FreeBSD /but with lower power consumption. > > /Any suggestions welcome. > > -- > Karl Denninger > karl@denninger.net > /The Market Ticker/ > /[S/MIME encrypted email preferred]/ > Email had 1 attachment: > + smime.p7s > 4k (application/pkcs7-signature) You could run a single E5-2640v4 CPU which is 10 cores at 2.4Ghz and 90watts. Dual 5620's are 8 cores at 2.4Ghz and 170watts. ** E5 v4 is faster clock for clock than Westmere, so the 2.4Ghz isn't equivalent between the two CPUs. It's somewhere between 2x and 3x more computing power than dual Westmere 5620's, and uses nearly half the power at full load. In practice it will use far less than half the power as E5 is much better at powering down idle cores and so forth than Westmere was. Not to mention single socket, which will reduce your platform cost and power draw there. There's an additional win, in that FreeBSD doesn't scale well with multi-package. As far as motherboards there are a lot of choices, https://www.supermicro.com/products/nfo/Xeon_X10_E5.cfm?pg=MB&show=SELECT&type=UP#List_MBD shows a bunch of different PCI and SAS/SATA port and memory configurations. Something in the X10SR family should work well for you. That's the "less than half the power draw" option. You can go with something that has 1/4 the power draw of your current setup, but it will likely be an incremental performance improvement (~25%) -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel