From owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Mon Jul 24 07:54:03 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mips@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8FFC088D3 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2017 07:54:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yamori813@yahoo.co.jp) Received: from nh603-vm9.bullet.mail.ssk.yahoo.co.jp (nh603-vm9.bullet.mail.ssk.yahoo.co.jp [182.22.90.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D09BC848E8 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2017 07:54:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yamori813@yahoo.co.jp) Received: from [182.22.66.103] by nh603.bullet.mail.ssk.yahoo.co.jp with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2017 07:53:52 -0000 Received: from [182.22.91.131] by t601.bullet.mail.ssk.yahoo.co.jp with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2017 07:53:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp604.mail.ssk.yahoo.co.jp with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2017 07:53:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 501778.81190.bm@omp604.mail.ssk.yahoo.co.jp Received: (qmail 97289 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jul 2017 07:53:52 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.jp; s=yj20110701; t=1500882832; bh=3y4d63fbEiqkfpT3Ojb7vYhuFvblQDtCq6RZwhN6pZM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:X-YMail-JAS:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cZkrO1GT+mJBYWKUch5Rt0uU/GDwsiqd4a5FUq7OiXitd1vi409AlLTllxewzkoDqLnVinfTcrBIrDlOiAUfzxLYU7qulN7jbIdNyGhHGLf7DuXv8oNkOClLOpBlEu6c4Q7Hwwd+Tun2J61bZiN7OlENtpGE0/qRK6u328zMIbw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=yj20110701; d=yahoo.co.jp; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:X-YMail-JAS:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RyUGYSOUQAQ76FybL4xXsIlbTY8as8s9HzN0hiGqqX6oINNsB+DNkTZD1gngTscYb8axyXxze6YFTwXHIIh+2CfDswUkPln6tBzdUYglZAC2xtjJ01WcVbS953Ju/uUzxRtc7PpcpYBpUlMcKVPN0RMZTOG+NTsVzUFddIt7qnw=; Message-ID: <319927.83012.qm@web101708.mail.ssk.yahoo.co.jp> X-YMail-OSG: 3JLTPYsVM1nm9IsDyBcbV.9kwfWs2URnHA7J.wyd4iEB2APOak06kLXiatg1Ka1MMnkeoyiHngR88LyhNXJGiKXS6s_t4t_Mh28l.pRIyfWoRi9YckPbIIqXNwCV7EkcYbR.LAru5orqLhBhUAm6bPGixa0DSJZ2nUBLbN6btdF4I5tUwhK1wgYSBOdiT6qsq7rtyNjWGiiXVHZ38xqD3w8IwgkjIszhP9OZ_0BAoO5e4CImPWNJXK7nELo1uJYSTNisEKjDjyBM4gNNmf6WZhP3JiLFZxZxkNvCfHSa3s5Fl2HMXLTPL2FvLbQu_TZlh35U.CytnE.mQA4xBwZWntHzk0xrR4tAGjpHLg1Lnqs6spScwwcpMdWynr8nzBjLgigya5R1VbQP7fnU5Ej0m9qVlcH.KFHoa3MJmIf3FHSBMEuOGeuZl9QPPpqyKd6RR6TbxWzaJ1pqy935ztgM9UR6QUgslqlqKMYYN7.ajQa9.i.nMHB_Tpskt8xT2osjq3CYsePoByrKhx5_y_hYAzwKWv_HEAb4PZgPFBNKfw0zXvYC7VWE0.JvqlZBJ.de0ze.cS9rdalDQKpdfcyN.NfOl_yhJKIDFKsWUvfEp.mBx.o5UnNdwaxBsmKnbr9OR3bJnBK7Rd4- Received: from [203.165.48.70] by web101708.mail.ssk.yahoo.co.jp via HTTP; Mon, 24 Jul 2017 16:53:51 JST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.111_73 X-YMail-JAS: qlDvwGsVM1lG3bfmL2tNGgum4AbqL4kiktZ1pvhuD3zC6h6hDuO0Pq7sfngQCq.Mz5BMr6KALtxXd6xOLLKEIOm_d0Fu09xojti5DHzQ0w2ZJvnzGAhLAhR4G3o7Xd.pm7WG Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 16:53:51 +0900 (JST) From: Mori Hiroki Reply-To: Mori Hiroki Subject: performance by endian To: "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-mips@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to MIPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 07:54:03 -0000 Hi.=0A=0AI checked fib(32) by awk script.=0A=0ART3050 is 80 sec=0AAR9330 is= 99 sec=0A=0A=0AAR9330 is newer and clock is hight. But slow.=0A=0AWhy this= result ?=0A=0AI suspect this is endian issue.=0A=0AI have problem mruby pe= rformance at Atheros SOC.=0AIt is slow almost double from same clock little= =0Aendian mips soc.=0A=0ARegards=0A=0AHiroki Mori From owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Tue Jul 25 17:14:05 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mips@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBDD1CFD6D3 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2017 17:14:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr0-x22f.google.com (mail-wr0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79368841C5 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2017 17:14:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id v105so91569613wrb.0 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2017 10:14:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=hVFWnx2CA4UQ3pY8WPX0fEUZ/2S1eAdacTneEq0tiAg=; b=KaEjfKifI7fxmBSyENuC0vMcRW4Sz9LGk+BVjeaZW3f4t3HbAeyUNcNtztb5HF7CfM OapngLRadNrDAblZFJhFDHG3CE1eEtilhL3/ujYhXsrOhpEnVxBplNFfLGJrY1PzPucp mZ/U87lxzNK5sVk4eh6Q07pCuZapf3MZ9X9X4P4Lhy/nraYZz0YKM4A+XNPaMxDXW0Fz 5FiOVNlyi7xuBcPCaIqKcFhmK8G+MFLehOz1ox17bZVNb8LhLbubLIh3yv+WRWbTqSA3 XjnRX1VyBgzJMUQ8kqc2q0ZnLQxw/mQWgG6j/k7Ab6XdCB0LvFFYAW/AStXyEYLdwXWX ftDA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=hVFWnx2CA4UQ3pY8WPX0fEUZ/2S1eAdacTneEq0tiAg=; b=XhZbj60q5N0bhUASScB/q6VzsCb38ALm3xuZy7XdN8rYgjFzcykWBi15lscCTt7EWZ A0+ZEiG6vDs2OEayRCOd3rMEfLDXX1JqCoq3sGCRUPByd9EwS78l6Wnyy4kpBStrbQy4 4qsY0WlYe+xqdCueu/pbcsMblG+oxT9I5wlfZy17wA3toayrwzNFzIbeGGUxmgx/kE09 0wIOyIviNcmreUqDoAlUVDIYlPNChyuV3KFn6xPkxujUS+JSPcuvJwGdFTZiqBhw3Zu3 3SmcPyS/Nn8qzEGl9V+y16MdcgOf0pFxoSw/uiY75r8apiKVRJXmpi1VdPryu6Qe8/Wq dTyw== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw1132GNsupY4bmgyD1H9OCu+t2aq68g4EK4nrzmMKo/g7u6luRv7+ OQa/jN/RkX4DKKestkpmJWDU9BHEJ6kP X-Received: by 10.223.181.10 with SMTP id a10mr18311229wrd.239.1501002844094; Tue, 25 Jul 2017 10:14:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.141.82 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jul 2017 10:14:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <319927.83012.qm@web101708.mail.ssk.yahoo.co.jp> References: <319927.83012.qm@web101708.mail.ssk.yahoo.co.jp> From: Adrian Chadd Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 10:14:03 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: performance by endian To: Mori Hiroki Cc: "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-mips@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to MIPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 17:14:06 -0000 well, how much cache, how much out-of-order is it? The AR9330 SoC has very limited cache :( -adrian On 24 July 2017 at 00:53, Mori Hiroki wrote: > Hi. > > I checked fib(32) by awk script. > > RT3050 is 80 sec > AR9330 is 99 sec > > > AR9330 is newer and clock is hight. But slow. > > Why this result ? > > I suspect this is endian issue. > > I have problem mruby performance at Atheros SOC. > It is slow almost double from same clock little > endian mips soc. > > Regards > > Hiroki Mori > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Wed Jul 26 02:10:59 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mips@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC714DAE59E for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2017 02:10:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yamori813@yahoo.co.jp) Received: from nh603-vm13.bullet.mail.ssk.yahoo.co.jp (nh603-vm13.bullet.mail.ssk.yahoo.co.jp [182.22.90.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7AB5E70D63 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2017 02:10:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yamori813@yahoo.co.jp) Received: from [182.22.66.106] by nh603.bullet.mail.ssk.yahoo.co.jp with NNFMP; 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charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-mips@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to MIPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 02:11:00 -0000 Hi=0A=0A=0ASorry I talk about=A0AR9331 soc.=0A=0AI check boot log.=0A=0ART3= 050 is this.=0A=0A=0ACache info:=A0=0A=A0 picache_stride=A0 =A0 =3D 4096=0A= =A0 picache_loopcount =3D 8=0A=A0 pdcache_stride=A0 =A0 =3D 4096=0A=A0 pdca= che_loopcount =3D 4=0Acpu0: MIPS Technologies processor v76.150=0A=A0 MMU: = Standard TLB, 32 entries (4K 16K 64K 256K 1M 16M 64M 256M pg sizes)=0A=A0 L= 1 i-cache: 4 ways of 256 sets, 32 bytes per line=0A=A0 L1 d-cache: 4 ways o= f 128 sets, 32 bytes per line=0A=A0 L2 cache: disabled Config1=3D0xbea3319e= =0A=A0 Config2=3D0x80000000=0A=A0 Config3= =3D0x420=0A=0AAR9331 is this.=0A=0ACache info:=0A=A0 picache_stride=A0 =A0 = =3D 4096=0A=A0 picache_loopcount =3D 16=0A=A0 pdcache_stride=A0 =A0 =3D 409= 6=0A=A0 pdcache_loopcount =3D 8=0A=A0 max line size =A0 =A0 =3D 32=0Acpu0: = MIPS Technologies processor v116.147=0A=A0 MMU: Standard TLB, 16 entries (4= K 16K 64K 256K 1M 16M 64M 256M pg sizes)=0A=A0 L1 i-cache: 4 ways of 512 se= ts, 32 bytes per line=0A=A0 L1 d-cache: 4 ways of 256 sets, 32 bytes per li= ne=0A=A0 L2 cache: disabled=0A=A0 Config1=3D0x9ee3519e=0A=A0 Config2=3D0x80000000=0A=A0 Config3=3D0x20=0A=A0 Config7= =3D0x0=0A=0AI seem AR9331 have more cache than RT3050.=0A=0Aawk script is t= his.=0A=0ABEGIN {=0A=A0 =A0 printf "%d=A5n", fib(32)=0A}=0A=0Afunction fib(= n) {=0A=A0 =A0 if (n < 2) return n=0A=A0 =A0 return fib(n - 2) + fib(n - 1)= =0A}=0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0A> From: Adrian Chadd =0A> To: Mori Hiroki =0A> Cc: "freebsd-mi= ps@freebsd.org" =0A> Date: 2017/7/26, Wed 02:14= =0A> Subject: Re: performance by endian=0A> =0A> well, how much cache, how = much out-of-order is it? The AR9330 SoC has=0A> very limited cache :(=0A> = =0A> =0A> =0A> -adrian=0A> =0A> =0A> On 24 July 2017 at 00:53, Mori Hiroki = wrote:=0A>>=A0=A0Hi.=0A>> =0A>>=A0=A0I checked fib(= 32) by awk script.=0A>> =0A>>=A0=A0RT3050 is 80 sec=0A>>=A0=A0AR9330 is 99 = sec=0A>> =0A>> =0A>>=A0=A0AR9330 is newer and clock is hight. But slow.=0A>= > =0A>>=A0=A0Why this result ?=0A>> =0A>>=A0=A0I suspect this is endian iss= ue.=0A>> =0A>>=A0=A0I have problem mruby performance at Atheros SOC.=0A>>= =A0=A0It is slow almost double from same clock little=0A>>=A0=A0endian mips= soc.=0A>> =0A>>=A0=A0Regards=0A>> =0A>>=A0=A0Hiroki Mori=0A>>=A0=A0_______= ________________________________________=0A>>=A0=A0freebsd-mips@freebsd.org= mailing list=0A>>=A0=A0https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-= mips=0A>>=A0=A0To unsubscribe, send any mail to =0A> "freebsd-mips-unsubscr= ibe@freebsd.org"=0A> From owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Wed Jul 26 08:50:55 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mips@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DBA8DB53D2 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2017 08:50:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leonie@hqhsa.co.za) Received: from smtp02-smtpout03.rb.za.mtnbusiness.net (smtp02-smtpout03.rb.za.mtnbusiness.net [41.181.159.171]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74ED67F63C for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2017 08:50:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leonie@hqhsa.co.za) Received: from [41.115.20.118] (helo=PeterPC) by smtp.mtnbusiness.co.za with esmtp (Blowfish SMTP) (envelope-from ) id 1daHnr-000Owh-Dh for freebsd-mips@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2017 10:36:24 +0200 From: "Leonie Botha" To: Subject: Hope for Warmth Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 10:19:14 +0200 Message-ID: <09e501d305ea$2a9db0e0$7fd912a0$@hqhsa.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-za Thread-Index: AdMF53XX/u8obFL2SVi5TYmWwXXsxQ== X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-1.9, FSL_HELO_NON_FQDN_1=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RDNS_NONE=0.793, * 0.0 FSL_HELO_NON_FQDN_1 No description available. * -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% * [score: 0.0000] * 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message * 0.8 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mips@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to MIPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 08:50:55 -0000 Helping SA's Hope for Warmth Many children have to go through this winter with blankets that are torn and have holes in them. They often have to share 1 blanket with their siblings. Some have no blanket at all and have to rely on a plastic bag or box to cover themselves. For these families, it's a difficulty just to have bread to eat, imagine having to take money and buy a blanket! We have situations where children get into fights with their brothers or sisters over a jersey! The elderly suffers just as much. We have elderly living in garages, shacks, back rooms with raw cement floors, holes in the walls, broken windows. These are the elderly that the state feels do not qualify for a pension grant. They also cannot find employment due to their age and illnesses. In many elderly care centres the number of deaths rise in the winter time as the cold makes it difficult to fight against viruses and established or existing illnesses. One thing we seldom hear about, is the number of deaths of elderly during winter time, those who have been forgotten by their children, who live on their own in these comfortless, cold back rooms and garages, who mostly suffer because they do not have warm clothing and bedding. Many have illnesses such as arthritis, where their already very painful condition gets worse with the cold. They will roll up in balls just trying to keep warm and often end up not even able to get up to find something to eat. Many, in fact most' do not have a proper meal to start with. Consequently, they get weaker and weaker, until they die a cold, painful and lonely death. Winter is a beautiful season for many of us, but a dreadful one for all destitute families, children and elderly. It is the longest and most awful three months of one's life if you have no warm clothes, no warm bedding, live in a room with raw cement floors and holes in the roof. And to add to it all, still have to fight off the hunger that overcomes you. Where can they find the strength needed to overcome all this? We need to be part of the change. WE CAN give them the strength. WE CAN lift them up, by providing blankets, warm clothing and warm food. Please help us to make this difference in the lives of the ones who suffer so much already. The children, families and elderly that we assist are located across South Africa. It Costs us +/- R1800 per month per family for their food parcels that include healthy balanced meals. It Costs Us R 800- R1200 for a family of 3, for blankets and at least 2 jerseys and pants for each family member. The fundraising will be done by asking for a R 100 donation towards our, "Hope for warmth" project. You can do a bank transfer to help us save on costs so we can help many more. In return you will receive a tax (Section 18A) invoice to claim back from tax and a Helping Sa Warmth Hope ribbon that we hope you will wear with pride, knowing what a difference you have made. If you are doing a donation through the bank, please reply to this email with your details and postal address to ensure you receive your invoice and Hope ribbon. Examples of what your R 100 donation WILL DO: Feed a child / elderly for 3 days / 1 pair of warm shoes and socks 1 Winter pants / 1 Jersey 1 Jacket Warm bedding/ Blankets 1 Child will be able to take the bus to school for a week and no need to walk over 6 km To view our NPO and Section 18A certificate please visit our website, while you are visiting please enjoy our photos and videos. (To receive copies of our certificates / proof of registration, accounting letters etc. you can also email admin (@) hsa-team.co.za / admin (@) helpingsa.co.za or reply to this email requesting documents) Hope you can find it your heart to assist with these projects. ABSA HELPING SA ACC NR; 4080925296 BRANCH: HORISON, 632005 CURRENT ACCOUNT PLEASE USE REFERENCE LC AND YOUR NAME OR COMPANY NAME WHEN DOING A TRANSFER - THANKING YOU IN ADVANCE We would like the feeding project for these destitute to go on for a long time, so that it can really make an impact on the ones we assist, thus we do have debit facilities now, if you would like to assist these projects more than once we would really appreciate it, you can request a debit order form by email. Yours Faithfully Leonie Botha Vice-Chairperson/Fundraiser Helping SA 081 703 6774 Fax: 086 509 9871 Alternative email: leonie (@) helpingsa.co.za / leonie (@) hsa-team.co.za Web: (www) helping-sa.co.za NPO: 115-333 PBO: 930043138 "Generosity consists not the sum given, but the manner in which it is bestowed" If you wish not to receive emails from me, please reply with a blank email and I will never email you again, we do not mean to spam anyone we are just trying to assist as many as possible. Thanking you in advance. OR UNSUBSCRIBE We rather email than trouble you on the phone while you are busy this way you can decide when you have time to go through our email.