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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 12:43:51 -0000 Hi, I have a netbook with amd c-70 cpu and am trying to get powerd to work with it. Will this chip not work with cpufreq/powerd? system: FreeBSD 11.1-STABLE #0 r324342 # sysctl debug.cpufreq.verbose=1 debug.cpufreq.verbose: 0 -> 1 # kldload cpufreq # # powerd -vv powerd: no cpufreq(4) support -- aborting: No such file or directory # sysctl -a | grep cpu kern.smp.cpus: 2 kern.smp.maxcpus: 256 kern.ccpu: 0 0, 1 0 1 kern.sched.cpusetsize: 32 kern.pin_pcpu_swi: 0 kern.racct.pcpu_threshold: 1 cpu HAMMER kern.vt.splash_cpu_duration: 10 kern.vt.splash_cpu_style: 2 kern.vt.splash_ncpu: 0 kern.vt.splash_cpu: 0 vfs.ncpurgeminvnodes: 256 net.inet.tcp.per_cpu_timers: 0 debug.cpufreq.verbose: 1 debug.cpufreq.lowest: 0 debug.acpi.cpu_unordered: 0 hw.ncpu: 2 hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest: C2 dev.acpi_perf.1.%parent: cpu1 dev.acpi_perf.0.%parent: cpu0 dev.cpu.1.cx_method: C1/hlt C2/io dev.cpu.1.cx_usage_counters: 237351 1893186 dev.cpu.1.cx_usage: 11.14% 88.85% last 156us dev.cpu.1.cx_lowest: C2 dev.cpu.1.cx_supported: C1/1/0 C2/2/100 dev.cpu.1.temperature: 65.6C dev.cpu.1.%parent: acpi0 dev.cpu.1.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0 dev.cpu.1.%location: handle=\_PR_.C001 dev.cpu.1.%driver: cpu dev.cpu.1.%desc: ACPI CPU dev.cpu.0.cx_method: C1/hlt C2/io dev.cpu.0.cx_usage_counters: 368369 2358900 dev.cpu.0.cx_usage: 13.50% 86.49% last 13us dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest: C2 dev.cpu.0.cx_supported: C1/1/0 C2/2/100 dev.cpu.0.temperature: 65.6C dev.cpu.0.%parent: acpi0 dev.cpu.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0 dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.C000 dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU dev.cpu.%parent: security.jail.param.cpuset.id: 0 cpuid output: https://www.zyxst.net/txt/amd-c70-netbook/20171011-cpuid-c70.txt dmidecode output: https://www.zyxst.net/txt/amd-c70-netbook/20171011-dmidecode-c70.txt detailed dmesg: https://www.zyxst.net/txt/amd-c70-netbook/20171011-2.detailed-dmesg.txt many thanks, -- J. From owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Sat Oct 14 11:36:14 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5905E45871; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 11:36:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 371BA6DBE2; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 11:36:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id v9EBa26m035868; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 22:36:02 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 22:36:02 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: tech-lists cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems getting AMD C-70 APU working with powerd/cpufreq In-Reply-To: <20171013123721.GA27736@acer.zyxst.net> Message-ID: <20171014215317.K34192@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20171013123721.GA27736@acer.zyxst.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 11:36:14 -0000 On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:37:21 +0100, tech-lists wrote: > Hi, > > I have a netbook with amd c-70 cpu and am trying to get powerd > to work with it. Will this chip not work with cpufreq/powerd? Perhaps not. > system: FreeBSD 11.1-STABLE #0 r324342 > > # sysctl debug.cpufreq.verbose=1 > debug.cpufreq.verbose: 0 -> 1 This shows that cpufreq was alreasy loaded. It's in the GENERIC kernel. Have a good browse through cpufreq(4). > # kldload cpufreq > # Hmm, no message. When I do that (albeit verbose boot enabled) on 9.3: kldload: can't load cpufreq: module already loaded or in kernel > # powerd -vv > powerd: no cpufreq(4) support -- aborting: No such file or directory > > # sysctl -a | grep cpu > > kern.smp.cpus: 2 > kern.smp.maxcpus: 256 > kern.ccpu: 0 > 0, 1 > 0 > 1 > kern.sched.cpusetsize: 32 > kern.pin_pcpu_swi: 0 > kern.racct.pcpu_threshold: 1 > cpu HAMMER > kern.vt.splash_cpu_duration: 10 > kern.vt.splash_cpu_style: 2 > kern.vt.splash_ncpu: 0 > kern.vt.splash_cpu: 0 > vfs.ncpurgeminvnodes: 256 > net.inet.tcp.per_cpu_timers: 0 > debug.cpufreq.verbose: 1 > debug.cpufreq.lowest: 0 > debug.acpi.cpu_unordered: 0 > hw.ncpu: 2 > hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest: C2 > dev.acpi_perf.1.%parent: cpu1 > dev.acpi_perf.0.%parent: cpu0 These are interesting. In cpufreq(4) you'll see acpi_perf is one of the absolute frequency control drivers, presumably used (see also in dmesg) because the expected driver for AMD processors, powernow, did not attach - though your verbose dmesg shows nothing about any failure/s to attach. > dev.cpu.1.cx_method: C1/hlt C2/io > dev.cpu.1.cx_usage_counters: 237351 1893186 > dev.cpu.1.cx_usage: 11.14% 88.85% last 156us > dev.cpu.1.cx_lowest: C2 At least you're getting plentiful use of C2 state, though I'm not aware how much power saving that might buy you on that AMD CPU. > dev.cpu.1.cx_supported: C1/1/0 C2/2/100 > dev.cpu.1.temperature: 65.6C > dev.cpu.1.%parent: acpi0 > dev.cpu.1.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0 > dev.cpu.1.%location: handle=\_PR_.C001 > dev.cpu.1.%driver: cpu > dev.cpu.1.%desc: ACPI CPU > dev.cpu.0.cx_method: C1/hlt C2/io > dev.cpu.0.cx_usage_counters: 368369 2358900 > dev.cpu.0.cx_usage: 13.50% 86.49% last 13us > dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest: C2 Ditto. > dev.cpu.0.cx_supported: C1/1/0 C2/2/100 > dev.cpu.0.temperature: 65.6C > dev.cpu.0.%parent: acpi0 > dev.cpu.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0 > dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.C000 > dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu > dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU So, there's no dev.cpu.0.freq nor dev.cpu.0.freq_levels - therefore powerd has nothing to work with. Its (misleading?) message doesn't mean cpufreq not loaded, but that the sysctls powerd relies upon don't exist. > cpuid output: > https://www.zyxst.net/txt/amd-c70-netbook/20171011-cpuid-c70.txt > dmidecode output: > https://www.zyxst.net/txt/amd-c70-netbook/20171011-dmidecode-c70.txt > detailed dmesg: > https://www.zyxst.net/txt/amd-c70-netbook/20171011-2.detailed-dmesg.txt Nothing in any of those suggests that this cpu has any other frequency available than 1000MHz, which seems quite bizarre to me. Of course it's possible FreeBSD hasn't been taught to recognise this particular cpu. You haven't disabled anything in $BIOS related to power or freq control? The cpuid output has a heading "Advanced Power Management Feature Flags" near the bottom, but none are shown. Hope someone else has something more useful to offer, and thanks for mailing me those files when my browser was deemed too old for your site. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Sat Oct 14 21:26:06 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF350E2CFAD; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 21:26:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3F2980DB3; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 21:26:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC83205E8; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 17:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 14 Oct 2017 17:26:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zyxst.net; h= content-type:date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= fm1; bh=5k3X3KFtP6Oso7QvuFNVqEMsLblvmt8IZDZnQOVONM8=; b=nl5SWWoo 9yqnAeG5PTC1TzkljmkQM73TzOtZA4WevBIE6ZyzmaJ5nLv7yFP9VVcTIXbl1ZVV yxi+AJ4hqaxDK8uHfH/+aYk3QtUgUAeslZw41cSPKJgfuU/ebX35SzB3om9c6ol6 fUzWm4BV4MweAHQWBt0/vsoZ/PVNpTC5CAF7DKxMMxijZewAtj2D2RF3QvQfe/8p M5foBG1pAkEORXDZJSbhzeXYyJcwf1a3DMKzLsCGJwT8uto0wcrlEIA3BMOrD5fT xvEkmdoTKYwFUaKnfKYXO2MYX4ek/i1u/FfWbZj5vHroCSXesu4keTtvy3Ga1fgD p4PbiaUyulVHqw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=5k3X3KFtP6Oso7QvuFNVqEMsLblvm t8IZDZnQOVONM8=; b=miBt8iNpmVbA6nGDYaymkkm0W0cEKHmd12/WqG4M2Lpgp xmAWSfFgjiqZ5Yct6/hRYRoXOqL9ebVa2H2n0kTXSVjFVlMdH2+0DEUwxwcT3Att K8Hgy0suplsnXoAd9fI2p5NH5OFAG31Q10lIQVMzZZQ9VqApFe2hj4ruulMKy9Sn PxBCtJhov6xSfPTq5yXM3aPICVVvQw2OaNG9nMB1hQVrhzWc3kA0LuxZWnY6eca8 +W9WQwR+ua2H45B6cQOJ4E39xu0rq2gJDORVLQig1tTaOWb1qG+ovWcGLi+CAGE8 sfYDkxkS1pxINB+zkwZE9HIQ3JwrockZUFOU5ZD6w== X-ME-Sender: Received: from acer.zyxst.net (parsley.growveg.org [82.70.91.97]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id AABC4249CD; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 17:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 22:26:02 +0100 From: tech-lists To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems getting AMD C-70 APU working with powerd/cpufreq Message-ID: <20171014212602.GB92751@acer.zyxst.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org References: <20171013123721.GA27736@acer.zyxst.net> <20171014215317.K34192@sola.nimnet.asn.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20171014215317.K34192@sola.nimnet.asn.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 21:26:07 -0000 Hi, thanks for taking the time to look at this, On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 10:36:02PM +1100, Ian Smith wrote: >On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:37:21 +0100, tech-lists wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have a netbook with amd c-70 cpu and am trying to get powerd > > to work with it. Will this chip not work with cpufreq/powerd? > >Perhaps not. oh well!! > > > system: FreeBSD 11.1-STABLE #0 r324342 > > > > # sysctl debug.cpufreq.verbose=1 > > debug.cpufreq.verbose: 0 -> 1 > >This shows that cpufreq was alreasy loaded. It's in the GENERIC kernel. >Have a good browse through cpufreq(4). I can't comment about earlier versions of FreeBSD, but this sysctl is present on 11.1-stable without cpufreq loaded. I'm using a modified kernel - modified to the extent that superfluous stuff has been removed, because this machine is hardware-challenged. Without cpufreq loaded, the following sysctls are present: # sysctl -a | grep cpufreq debug.cpufreq.verbose: 0 debug.cpufreq.lowest: 0 # uname -i ACER # cat /sys/amd64/conf/ACER |grep cpufreq # # cat /boot/loader.conf amdtemp_load="YES" # I've known this machine has had issues with cpufreq for a while, but this is the first time I've sat down to try work out why. This is one of the reasons why cpufreq isn't in my kernel. which is why I was able to > > # kldload cpufreq > > # no message (I set debug.cpufreq.verbose to 1 in order to hopefully see more output) > > dev.acpi_perf.1.%parent: cpu1 > > dev.acpi_perf.0.%parent: cpu0 > >These are interesting. In cpufreq(4) you'll see acpi_perf is one of the >absolute frequency control drivers, presumably used (see also in dmesg) >because the expected driver for AMD processors, powernow, did not attach >- though your verbose dmesg shows nothing about any failure/s to attach. > > > dev.cpu.1.cx_method: C1/hlt C2/io > > dev.cpu.1.cx_usage_counters: 237351 1893186 > > dev.cpu.1.cx_usage: 11.14% 88.85% last 156us > > dev.cpu.1.cx_lowest: C2 > >At least you're getting plentiful use of C2 state, though I'm not aware >how much power saving that might buy you on that AMD CPU. Not a lot! ;) One of the reasons I'm interested in powerd/cpufreq is that I beleive it can make turbo kick in. Apparently this chip has a turbo mode @1.333GHz. might be wrong about that though. >So, there's no dev.cpu.0.freq nor dev.cpu.0.freq_levels - therefore >powerd has nothing to work with. Its (misleading?) message doesn't mean >cpufreq not loaded, but that the sysctls powerd relies upon don't exist. [...] >Nothing in any of those suggests that this cpu has any other frequency >available than 1000MHz, which seems quite bizarre to me. Of course it's >possible FreeBSD hasn't been taught to recognise this particular cpu. > >You haven't disabled anything in $BIOS related to power or freq control? The bios has only a very limited number of options for this machine - possibly by design as the machine is a netbook. Options for overclocking are not present at all. >The cpuid output has a heading "Advanced Power Management Feature Flags" >near the bottom, but none are shown. yeah, odd that >Hope someone else has something more useful to offer, and thanks for >mailing me those files when my browser was deemed too old for your site. thanks again for your help -- J.