From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 19 03:21:14 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12CAD13C21 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 03:21:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mahan@mahan.org) Received: from ns.mahan.org (23-24-207-145-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [23.24.207.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9232516CD for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 03:21:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mahan@mahan.org) Received: from Cone-of-Silence.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.mahan.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id v2J3LCTA080148 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2017 20:21:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mahan@mahan.org) Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Patrick Mahan Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 20:21:07 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 03:21:14 -0000 On 3/18/17 3:44 PM, William Dudley wrote: > A google search does not reveal a useful answer. > > I just want to use a self-signed certificate so I can get my email from my > FreeBSD mail server to my cell phone. My FreeBSD server runs sendmail. > I don't really want to switch to postfix, qmail, etc. etc. > > Thanks, > Bill Dudley > Have you considered using stunnel(8)? I use it to front my sendmail and other servers that I want to make a secure connection. Patrick From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 19 05:13:54 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76400D13354 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 05:13:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D053FC7A for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 05:13:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from testbox.news4all.se (testbox.usenet4all.se [10.0.0.3]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id v2J4tTUX093800 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 05:55:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" From: Bernt Hansson Subject: port build error (kicad) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 05:55:29 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 05:13:54 -0000 Hello list! Machine: 10.3-RELEASE-p11 FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p11 #0: Mon Oct 24 18:49:24 UTC 2016 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 Trying to build cad/kicad-devel but no cigar. ===> Found saved configuration for kicad-devel-r20170224025915 ===> kicad-devel-r20170224025915 depends on file: /usr/local/sbin/pkg - found ===> Fetching all distfiles required by kicad-devel-r20170224025915 for building ===> Extracting for kicad-devel-r20170224025915 => SHA256 Checksum OK for kicad/kicad-r20170224025915.tar.bz2. ===> Patching for kicad-devel-r20170224025915 ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for kicad-devel-r20170224025915 ===> kicad-devel-r20170224025915 depends on file: /usr/local/include/glm/glm.hpp - found ===> kicad-devel-r20170224025915 depends on executable: update-desktop-database - found ===> kicad-devel-r20170224025915 depends on executable: update-mime-database - found ===> kicad-devel-r20170224025915 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/cmake - found ===> kicad-devel-r20170224025915 depends on executable: msgfmt - found ===> kicad-devel-r20170224025915 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/python2.7 - found ===> kicad-devel-r20170224025915 depends on package: libGL>0 - found ===> kicad-devel-r20170224025915 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/glproto.pc - found ===> kicad-devel-r20170224025915 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/dri2proto.pc - found ===> kicad-devel-r20170224025915 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/glproto.pc - found ===> kicad-devel-r20170224025915 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/dri2proto.pc - found ===> kicad-devel-r20170224025915 depends on shared library: libboost_thread.so - found (/usr/local/lib/libboost_thread.so) ===> kicad-devel-r20170224025915 depends on shared library: libcurl.so - found (/usr/local/lib/libcurl.so) ===> kicad-devel-r20170224025915 depends on shared library: libintl.so - found (/usr/local/lib/libintl.so) ===> kicad-devel-r20170224025915 depends on shared library: libatk-1.0.so - found (/usr/local/lib/libatk-1.0.so) ===> kicad-devel-r20170224025915 depends on shared library: libcairo.so - found (/usr/local/lib/libcairo.so) ===> kicad-devel-r20170224025915 depends on shared library: libglib-2.0.so - found (/usr/local/lib/libglib-2.0.so) ===> kicad-devel-r20170224025915 depends on shared library: libGLEW.so - found (/usr/local/lib/libGLEW.so) ===> kicad-devel-r20170224025915 depends on shared library: libGLU.so - found (/usr/local/lib/libGLU.so) ===> kicad-devel-r20170224025915 depends on shared library: libwx_baseu-3.0.so - found (/usr/local/lib/libwx_baseu-3.0.so) ===> Configuring for kicad-devel-r20170224025915 ===> Performing in-source build /bin/mkdir -p /usr/ports/cad/kicad-devel/work/kicad-r20170224025915 -- The C compiler identification is Clang 3.4.1 -- The CXX compiler identification is Clang 3.4.1 -- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/cc -- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/cc -- broken CMake Error at /usr/local/share/cmake/Modules/CMakeTestCCompiler.cmake:51 (message): The C compiler "/usr/bin/cc" is not able to compile a simple test program. It fails with the following output: Change Dir: /usr/ports/cad/kicad-devel/work/kicad-r20170224025915/CMakeFiles/CMakeTmp Run Build Command:"/usr/local/bin/gmake" "cmTC_0f933/fast" gmake[2]: Entering directory '/usr/ports/cad/kicad-devel/work/kicad-r20170224025915/CMakeFiles/CMakeTmp' /usr/local/bin/gmake -f CMakeFiles/cmTC_0f933.dir/build.make CMakeFiles/cmTC_0f933.dir/build gmake[3]: Entering directory '/usr/ports/cad/kicad-devel/work/kicad-r20170224025915/CMakeFiles/CMakeTmp' Building C object CMakeFiles/cmTC_0f933.dir/testCCompiler.c.o /usr/bin/cc -O2 -pipe -fstack-protector -fno-strict-aliasing -o CMakeFiles/cmTC_0f933.dir/testCCompiler.c.o -c /usr/ports/cad/kicad-devel/work/kicad-r20170224025915/CMakeFiles/CMakeTmp/testCCompiler.c Linking C executable cmTC_0f933 /usr/local/bin/cmake -E cmake_link_script CMakeFiles/cmTC_0f933.dir/link.txt --verbose=1 /usr/bin/cc -O2 -pipe -fstack-protector -fno-strict-aliasing CMakeFiles/cmTC_0f933.dir/testCCompiler.c.o -o cmTC_0f933 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc_s cc: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation) gmake[3]: *** [CMakeFiles/cmTC_0f933.dir/build.make:98: cmTC_0f933] Error 1 gmake[3]: Leaving directory '/usr/ports/cad/kicad-devel/work/kicad-r20170224025915/CMakeFiles/CMakeTmp' gmake[2]: *** [Makefile:126: cmTC_0f933/fast] Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory '/usr/ports/cad/kicad-devel/work/kicad-r20170224025915/CMakeFiles/CMakeTmp' CMake will not be able to correctly generate this project. Call Stack (most recent call first): CMakeLists.txt:32 (project) -- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred! See also "/usr/ports/cad/kicad-devel/work/kicad-r20170224025915/CMakeFiles/CMakeOutput.log". See also "/usr/ports/cad/kicad-devel/work/kicad-r20170224025915/CMakeFiles/CMakeError.log". *** Error code 1 Stop. make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/cad/kicad-devel *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /usr/ports/cad/kicad-devel From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 19 05:29:43 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0532D135D9 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 05:29:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28B2A10C0 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 05:29:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from testbox.news4all.se (testbox.usenet4all.se [10.0.0.3]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id v2J5Td09093887 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 06:29:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Subject: Re: port build error (kicad) To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: From: Bernt Hansson Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 06:29:39 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 05:29:43 -0000 Never mind. Forgot to remove the link to gcc49 On 2017-03-19 05:55, Bernt Hansson wrote: > Hello list! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 19 07:24:02 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0DBBD13914 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 07:24:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dump@gmx.com.br) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19C4F1B11 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 07:24:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dump@gmx.com.br) Received: from localhost ([177.192.249.66]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001 [212.227.17.184]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LcSAg-1cNYlz2O1O-00jtSO for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 08:23:54 +0100 From: Dump Mail Address To: Subject: archivers/libarchive: fail to build. 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I am not being able to get the last archivers/libarchive to be built. I tried to using MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE=3Dyes as pointed on the build log but=20 didn't help. Complete build log: http://pastebin.com/FBypDSqv This is the error message: *************** --- bsdtar --- ./.libs/libarchive.a(archive_hmac.o): In function `__hmac_sha1_init': libarchive/archive_hmac.c:(.text+0x27): undefined reference to=20 `HMAC_CTX_new' ./.libs/libarchive.a(archive_hmac.o): In function `__hmac_sha1_cleanup': --- bsdcpio --- *** [bsdcpio] Error code 1 make[2]: stopped in=20 /construction/xports/archivers/libarchive/work/libarchive-3.3.1 --- bsdtar --- libarchive/archive_hmac.c:(.text+0xaf): undefined reference to=20 `HMAC_CTX_free' cc: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see=20 invocation) *** [bsdtar] Error code 1 make[2]: stopped in=20 /construction/xports/archivers/libarchive/work/libarchive-3.3.1 2 errors make[2]: stopped in=20 /construction/xports/archivers/libarchive/work/libarchive-3.3.1 *** [all] Error code 2 make[1]: stopped in=20 /construction/xports/archivers/libarchive/work/libarchive-3.3.1 1 error make[1]: stopped in=20 /construction/xports/archivers/libarchive/work/libarchive-3.3.1 =3D=3D=3D> Compilation failed unexpectedly. Try to set MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE=3Dyes and rebuild before reporting the failure to= the maintainer. *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /xports/archivers/libarchive *************** If somehow I am on the wrong list, please let me know. Thank you. 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Mar 2017, 22:58:32 +0100, CeDeROM wrote: > Bertam, are you sure you are working on a clean filesystem? Did you > run FSCK -F / from single user as suggested?? Didn't help. Bertram -- Bertram Scharpf Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany http://www.bertram-scharpf.de From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 19 12:07:47 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A85D13BEC for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 12:07:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot0-x231.google.com (mail-ot0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2CAE9DC3 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 12:07:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot0-x231.google.com with SMTP id i1so118612588ota.3 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 05:07:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=E7y4O/TJKz9oDyAQfp+oryAy8w3wr/L/JUGKh+01OHc=; b=fQVnyWR6SoqH5Bbg8HcA0mhSYQoFwNmKQYWXB965gT3GqDSi/azuEni8r0PU6l1TSg +9P3ffaXrzdSV9DVd1OliIqCEkQWsaXf/fdzIV4AEPwpUgLzP3kTKOslt7/M5nW1PtfE pKUc9j/dcwJ0sJwLsoqow2MqyR93tre9ZaBYKj4gh1Fsfbmy824fUYxQikUGHW72mKil VdK/7lXfFe6i2eqa+WtSwHt6m462NmhWH8fKgpEG9gjdEFTB1Qe26WN76J99PjtprKOn z/DA3R6oXN9Heo8j1HAKJCEyZPZtKE0MmNPm+xIH/cCuZKeREx1WzJXv+omNVMqzq65W bQFw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=E7y4O/TJKz9oDyAQfp+oryAy8w3wr/L/JUGKh+01OHc=; b=JaJtZMjDyELNUEJ0z66hGGH4vZcsaLqzjBdXx6FIgTXTa5uGIyEPdt4mT8VXeMiciB rL4BUQwnXenGCB/tvK733iMCv8JurOA/qxjjKSIKVLu0YrdqyV1IKp2kv5nuFc0o6u2s hWBtK2erSbLwG1EV1v3Yiuav3zzE7DbBScWl/Ltw8yVPdiaexttg5t5MNQY1dM7uHKpS 8Lujk7wUMDCKX1lJ/BaPNynlxXL6kTJcJ7mkCBPPPpqX0+Tx9NxTj2fkolkQhkcxyXjY 4DsKezRUh3wwkCom+tRJgc0X4m3ILRsSeW5M1iG+IxlBkwsNvRtTnDonfCm00Lz7hmlZ UaGA== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H0fWGU17lCp14zhDxHN6PK8r+85Nod+zuzcdA1FDjTIIZjx6CYgFaMB/MSvRiUoJpYNyYU/ls4QbbjTCw== X-Received: by 10.157.43.172 with SMTP id u41mr13945854ota.5.1489925266318; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 05:07:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: tomek.cedro@gmail.com Received: by 10.157.18.211 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 05:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.157.18.211 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 05:07:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20170319114652.GA1287@becker.bs.l> References: <20170315222221.GA18691@becker.bs.l> <20170317195043.GA5295@becker.bs.l> <20170319114652.GA1287@becker.bs.l> From: CeDeROM Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 13:07:45 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: de9TPyeNV-OAT7NNg3a_xm6NlWQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: Second severe crash in six weeks To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 12:07:47 -0000 If fsck -f on all partitions did not find any problems then it looks like either hardware failure or a bug somewhere :-) You may want to get another disk, install clean 11.0-RELEASE and see if problem exists, then install old system (10.3?) and see if problem exist.. then compare results and find the problem source :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info On 19 Mar. 2017 12:46, "Bertram Scharpf" wrote: > On Friday, 17. Mar 2017, 22:58:32 +0100, CeDeROM wrote: > > Bertam, are you sure you are working on a clean filesystem? Did you > > run FSCK -F / from single user as suggested?? > > Didn't help. > > Bertram > > > -- > Bertram Scharpf > Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany > http://www.bertram-scharpf.de > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 19 12:15:02 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED31D13E5D for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 12:15:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot0-x236.google.com (mail-ot0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A116A12C1 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 12:15:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot0-x236.google.com with SMTP id a12so48992711ota.0 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 05:15:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=/mWfN1uxQioClGo2E5R4e/NISNnAuwUAukISBJg4dC0=; b=CPWlMnWQ34+RhIG/Nf8FDQCUHEQYhbVGGEpacPxVaL4nTPRL7GxcefSXCd7IqYnefv iZQ/lXjxPh9JbjctIaUrPXZYk1gKkeTCseD+rKxDnzN5ILScgUxglA2sqoFv+uvCgejJ yYtRi8nFx+nbW+Gy5+9cUteIHK9TAQdr92vkEraDeD+5TGNtmIX11BM9N9pG0rbrUaIu zbNT9yHsKbqU/vT0Dqyop4lAC6S1G+r8AJ+PO+Gr/vt3K+ZCO9iD1cb6CzN9zRil4vp/ 6v8nCW9gb714V2rxmKSxRCjinxLGynWJBLTO16Qq27g6EDd6kbSrcAQ6EcqJIz0oY/B9 KFvw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=/mWfN1uxQioClGo2E5R4e/NISNnAuwUAukISBJg4dC0=; b=AtbkQ/xjQCXo2Y8Q37NjBZcFqVH4w2qkKuTRCmMbdznMnqrrfMOP0guNH1rc4Yd8OD s9FL3n4zXnG1w7q+XTs+9WdW11UBZta0b+qcHI1RLA7en45rbtoq+7vB0DuDqTIBllE0 YivvX5KHwW1uitiDhrAt/n1fp2PWyMZFGmCLbqOIPG3klcX+oFKfh/04RtyPT5rH6tHo sD0K4yrS46ZdzvQHkF6Vgls10VJDUAo5LztAzTDBp0r8nD9mne79NeuUB7ItIVsuQk3V TXbu/1MwpzxFrTJ6yLqPlAVjaJwTQQwPWWAA2CXhkWg3eUSxy832WYkfP+yb8Vyuw7R/ mLdQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H0k/ACVr/i37mgo1Fss/5wLzrodwlXXnNoqsZY2OdVdkfAPWK0SszJYuggRHs9NU4NdFQDNRPubEDsmnA== X-Received: by 10.157.5.8 with SMTP id 8mr11250367otw.170.1489925701812; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 05:15:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: tomek.cedro@gmail.com Received: by 10.157.18.211 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 05:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.157.18.211 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 05:15:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20170319114652.GA1287@becker.bs.l> References: <20170315222221.GA18691@becker.bs.l> <20170317195043.GA5295@becker.bs.l> <20170319114652.GA1287@becker.bs.l> From: CeDeROM Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 13:15:01 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: GFn9vcmA-30QvYLuUUmSPeJWJO4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Second severe crash in six weeks To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 12:15:03 -0000 If fsck -f on all partitions did not find any problems then it looks like either hardware failure or a bug somewhere :-) You may want to get another disk, install clean 11.0-RELEASE and see if problem exists, then install old system (10.3?) and see if problem exist.. then compare results and find the problem source :-) I rarely upgrade between major release numbers its also good time to do some cleaning.. also none of us here seems to have problem that you describe thus it seems hardware specific or hardware driver problem :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info On 19 Mar. 2017 12:46, "Bertram Scharpf" wrote: > On Friday, 17. Mar 2017, 22:58:32 +0100, CeDeROM wrote: > > Bertam, are you sure you are working on a clean filesystem? Did you > > run FSCK -F / from single user as suggested?? > > Didn't help. > > Bertram > > > -- > Bertram Scharpf > Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany > http://www.bertram-scharpf.de > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 19 13:44:33 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4A6D12B26 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 13:44:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-x22e.google.com (mail-yw0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BDA01F30 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 13:44:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id p77so76410096ywg.1 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 06:44:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=PTiaX8e8Q0pbsgq2cTPoFs2C88TIUlhfNponeQIJgUo=; b=HIzYHGAfNVTEoENE3MIc6DkHUjhWNdJPgBYn5MB1cGejBNNGw/Rw4HOhXOisbazHPL TIUFxjwJTnh3CSe5++/PtbhhIwdjSNyX629zf+oyH+oaD7Ue6bWhCuwIDtkvZlaAJmCE DfXPv8ZCZrTWZSEmTWGrLAMKTEjD7U560F186JWrOjgegQ8P4FxzuY9lzxXgt28eRaPD PB3xGdXf9RTwM7vdSVvxiKetykPW/KBbIIKMJC2Q1m57z5jQ8jiDlGdtHrxzc6uC38Vh zu4UM/i1CXjYUgeM0xx3Qq5/UK6A5R6dN/yr7qpERbMSDFEVhsE+6QI5KTA6gUGDAFY3 sBBw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=PTiaX8e8Q0pbsgq2cTPoFs2C88TIUlhfNponeQIJgUo=; b=ujrne5mC/fBj7Xl3JA6dSu+tj8jXiQyvHQNx12bMyz3N5Flhl14FaffhgkB1IDVC74 widC6nWJAMSqJ+nH6wog3msNEfv1N5vUnzrdpuB0nYo4HabA5YJAOQ6Np6G/W6i1jrr0 5zKC10pDUB0TfLw4Xb79ecklWlL6O3z6hwKMQbLMVykd5gGZ7ZRyYTZpxCgfYn+PO5Lf MiRLyBwYbTBMqPTXq3HePZYGQs8zGXgu4DlFN3LT12gDutVQBaiq2oIshtIbmbnn1F9l rXk+bK1x2qb13PqcaqjnfBSrcH9qOb1ywe5xCPU3rEon9ZxhmgY7LCx2XLa3EoI3kS0n NLCw== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H2Xt7STd51hmBtVkq0nvYjDTSfhQrUm0zBUxu/X4Bj6l3dbTI9Sl3IGoRlBA18rKMk0z1x+lZZ/X/zfKw== X-Received: by 10.129.72.199 with SMTP id v190mr11168686ywa.22.1489931072066; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 06:44:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.171.199 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 06:44:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: William Dudley Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:44:31 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? To: Patrick Mahan Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 13:44:33 -0000 I'll look into this, but a quick read of the stunnel docs, I don't see STARTTLS mentioned, and I thought that was a requirement. Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 11:21 PM, Patrick Mahan wrote: > On 3/18/17 3:44 PM, William Dudley wrote: > > A google search does not reveal a useful answer. > > > > I just want to use a self-signed certificate so I can get my email from > my > > FreeBSD mail server to my cell phone. My FreeBSD server runs sendmail. > > I don't really want to switch to postfix, qmail, etc. etc. > > > > Thanks, > > Bill Dudley > > > > Have you considered using stunnel(8)? I use it to front my sendmail and > other servers that I want to make a secure connection. > > Patrick > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 19 13:53:34 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C738D1301D for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 13:53:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-x232.google.com (mail-yw0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39D668E7 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 13:53:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw0-x232.google.com with SMTP id v198so76431036ywc.2 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 06:53:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=XW9PhmtWcltE/oLvVX3steeuGHrFrB7QqW6/TTAUH9U=; b=fIEZ/lHIsfkeQiGxQ3SoGqsbIukBU0lVt2dEhan/ou76KvbWfzednkKeL+zcuAodNz L+U3VhHDHSBf+kGq7ywPqajWiz7g3cJcTddID2IO2jcxJyVqob5griP+T15FyZbcojr5 CdxB1lgn1Fh1+R9eFcTHwRG7eKcpRw3Pn44Jr0qyJAERZHVSfjqKFzsBgxtgKLhJKQCh wyvVWuwR5JZkKZdNGqZ0P0GRNJzreOR+MBnQlx+1MReiPpfKN2IDiqkR6W2aMnEXusjT UqsmKHXouCaU1jCQ+jgXEopB9hLNcpnmh0jemxb/1nwJzlv8tgOlom9evcZ2B6O0z0lp xcYQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=XW9PhmtWcltE/oLvVX3steeuGHrFrB7QqW6/TTAUH9U=; b=TQKy7RMTvZN6zMM/ldnIyYfuPADOgUXTC4P+1EGhEe4PJMon6rt41QxKmx87pCsDqN yIaZCCJShYWIHbaOX0lrQXvVwSN0rhS3cWAJ8vmU1gucPUTn8XpkpKNm5S/2odsbzdTx bBz98j4boBaZ9weaA691RD/V44vZVOR4nakYhe868ngWg9muwBxdOnUJI5gWtpPw6Bt5 WHk/5LKyw1d8qWU6VeRLEtjsvsRupEBFCGNp5sVUG9Jj3uBWL0U60bMQlSqTPXPlo6+8 CEq/qhNAg2hlLVapJ4moqje532m5+6nrt/LP3jax0ydAmeFfEX41m/8pJZz+H55157lq FiyQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H1eQOsQ69DLGB8f1QA13L8XDaHfXtCRb6plAMHMMNHdap8dgpkG/KTV0t/5UiBeALpddfj7cbXjMpZfeQ== X-Received: by 10.13.202.86 with SMTP id m83mr10635339ywd.251.1489931613542; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 06:53:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.171.199 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 06:53:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: William Dudley Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:53:33 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? To: Patrick Mahan Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 13:53:34 -0000 stunnel fails to start with this helpful message: /usr/local/etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf:68: "checkHost = pop.gmail.com": Specified option name is not valid here The line it's complaining about is in the EXAMPLE config file. So this is not going well, at all. pop.gmail.com is a valid hostname. I have no idea what stunnel is complaining about. Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 9:44 AM, William Dudley wrote: > I'll look into this, but a quick read of the stunnel docs, I don't see > STARTTLS mentioned, > and I thought that was a requirement. > > Bill Dudley > > > This email is free of malware because I run Linux. > > On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 11:21 PM, Patrick Mahan wrote: > >> On 3/18/17 3:44 PM, William Dudley wrote: >> > A google search does not reveal a useful answer. >> > >> > I just want to use a self-signed certificate so I can get my email from >> my >> > FreeBSD mail server to my cell phone. My FreeBSD server runs sendmail. >> > I don't really want to switch to postfix, qmail, etc. etc. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Bill Dudley >> > >> >> Have you considered using stunnel(8)? I use it to front my sendmail and >> other servers that I want to make a secure connection. >> >> Patrick >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe >> @freebsd.org" >> > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 19 14:34:47 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107B5D13D3C for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 14:34:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B9F38ED for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 14:34:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local (unknown [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:1c1d:86a1:a200:b700]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 063D510BBF for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 14:34:41 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/063D510BBF; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 14:34:34 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NIshmi2hnHbjjfjn3ipgQ4fXDnjDbL8Qu" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 14:34:47 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --NIshmi2hnHbjjfjn3ipgQ4fXDnjDbL8Qu Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="ChNXfME8TR2mFm4aXRnPLfSwmkineoRxK"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? References: In-Reply-To: --ChNXfME8TR2mFm4aXRnPLfSwmkineoRxK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 18/03/2017 22:44, William Dudley wrote: > A google search does not reveal a useful answer. >=20 > I just want to use a self-signed certificate so I can get my email from= my > FreeBSD mail server to my cell phone. My FreeBSD server runs sendmail.= > I don't really want to switch to postfix, qmail, etc. etc. Hmm... STARTTLS capability is enabled by default in freebsd.mc in 11.0 -- I think it might be on 10.3 as well. Anyhow, you need the following sort of thing in your ${hostname}.mc -- define(`CERT_DIR', `/etc/mail/certs')dnl define(`confSERVER_CERT', `CERT_DIR/host.cert')dnl define(`confSERVER_KEY', `CERT_DIR/host.key')dnl define(`confCLIENT_CERT', `CERT_DIR/host.cert')dnl define(`confCLIENT_KEY', `CERT_DIR/host.key')dnl define(`confCACERT', `CERT_DIR/cacert.pem')dnl define(`confCACERT_PATH', `CERT_DIR')dnl define(`confDH_PARAMETERS', `CERT_DIR/dh.param')dnl and you need to create all of the host.key and host.cert and cacert.pem and dh.param files. That's mostly covered here: http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/other/cagreg.html Note that for e-mail purposes you don't generally need a certificate signed by a well known CA -- just self signed is fine. With e-mail, it's more important to ensure privacy in transit rather than to identify the party you're corresponding with. The dh.param file you can generate by: openssl dHParam -outform PEM -out dh.param 2048 IIRC adding all this will allow your sendmail install to support STARTTLS, but not make it require STARTTLS. I believe there's a DAEMON_OPTIONS setting to achieve that, but I'd need to look that up. Get hold of the O'Reilly sendmail book if you're interested -- it has details of all this stuff. 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I receive the following error message: openssl dHParam -outform PEM -out dh.param 2048 openssl:Error: 'dHParam' is an invalid command. However, using lower case, ie. 'dhparam' works fine. --=20 Carmel From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 19 16:05:05 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95939D13261 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 16:05:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C24FD0E for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 16:05:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id v2JG4eTa022796; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 03:04:41 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 03:04:40 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Bertram Scharpf cc: CeDeROM , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Second severe crash in six weeks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20170319235808.F10005@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 16:05:05 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 667, Issue 9, Message: 7 On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 12:46:52 +0100 Bertram Scharpf wrote: > On Friday, 17. Mar 2017, 22:58:32 +0100, CeDeROM wrote: > > Bertam, are you sure you are working on a clean filesystem? Did you > > run FSCK -F / from single user as suggested?? > > Didn't help. Bertram, everything about your various issues suggests hardware to me. Memory is usually the first thing to check, but all sorts of components can go flaky, sometimes in almost non-deterministic (ie, weird) ways. Have you tried the suggested memtest86 test, for at least an hour or so? Another useful tester is sysutils/stress, which may be installed and run without rebooting or other inconvenience. Something like: # stress -c 2 -t 1200 & will run 2 CPUs at 100% for 20 minutes in background; adjust to >= cpu count. Meanwhile keep an eye on system temperatures and fans; this gets CPU/s as hot as they can. Your system should be engineered to cope with running at full rated load, with some headroom. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 19 18:10:17 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581BBD13550 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 18:10:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from citrin+bsd@citrin.ru) Received: from hz.citrin.ru (hz.citrin.ru [88.198.212.3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 201E8118E for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 18:10:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from citrin+bsd@citrin.ru) Received: from x220.lan (unknown [IPv6:2601:18a:c301:8eee:59ac:36bb:ecbb:eb9e]) by hz.citrin.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 73DA829A303 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 18:10:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: archivers/libarchive: fail to build. To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <472724a1-e279-4a4f-9c7b-de091ec2f1df@gmx.com.br> From: Anton Yuzhaninov Message-ID: <5ed067d5-0239-6c0e-7641-f91eaa1cf738@citrin.ru> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 14:10:12 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <472724a1-e279-4a4f-9c7b-de091ec2f1df@gmx.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=citrin.ru; s=s0; t=1489947014; bh=rI7Bszo0NrtHvc1hKly6NHQCK8vIMFu6+AAuUIyylcc=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=W6K9pzi+IIf+EeYUtar0ZQ3FeHowl7BEt5r+CZM23FNN6Vah9eRbAcKrL3CKDBHsmjZ6vKaII+VPQz75lvbOpYHJDUQ1kLZZNVF3LHNsyldh7RZqtHL6jWRsmqDxYHg8S60RugnRGcwx20H74XVviTN3hO+PalS3GKQYewoYTCQ= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 18:10:17 -0000 On 03/19/17 03:24, Dump Mail Address wrote: > I am not being able to get the last archivers/libarchive to be built. > > Complete build log: http://pastebin.com/FBypDSqv Most probably libarchive is not compatible with libressl. Libressl have less features than Openssl. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 19 18:38:30 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB5AD13256 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 18:38:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dump@gmx.com.br) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30767BE8 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 18:38:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dump@gmx.com.br) Received: from localhost ([177.192.249.66]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003 [212.227.17.184]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MCLx3-1cymWZ45Td-0096G7 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:38:27 +0100 From: Dump Mail Address To: Subject: Re: archivers/libarchive: fail to build. 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Thanks for the reply. There was an update today, I just got it built like=20 20 min ago. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 19 19:16:12 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFAC0D13DB8 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:16:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dump@gmx.com.br) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D7139F for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:16:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dump@gmx.com.br) Received: from localhost ([177.192.249.66]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002 [212.227.17.184]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MSdz2-1cfkez0Rb2-00RZME for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:16:09 +0100 From: Dump Mail Address To: Subject: ABNT keyboard: dot (".") not working on the numpad. 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When I say it is not working, I mean it does not even print anything on=20 either xev or vt console. I am having a similar problem with the "media" keys, what make me think it=20= should be a bug, but I do not know what to blame. In regards to the media keys, I installed uhidd and configured it. This=20 keyboard have five XF86 keys: Play/Pause, Volume Decrese, Volume Increase,=20= Mute, and Calculator. After having everything properly configured the media keys was working,=20 less one. The one which not worked was changing at every reboot. The only=20 one never stoped working was the Calculator one. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 19 20:04:47 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D23FD13DCD for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:04:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-x233.google.com (mail-yw0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BB4E1A5E; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:04:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw0-x233.google.com with SMTP id v198so79022107ywc.2; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 13:04:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=rz9jkfuGyFq8g2EtJbBSKF+hGQekC8SmaWfcc+jeY14=; b=gIKalDgPQaqQyr0++6ptcI/hNXGCeqgXXrrd2dojd6/fuK3/8n+hOEKTbh52YTFzRg 13ZOUfBlkxGKFkss27uaWcO2Ti1lX42ZugcMmKC7NuD9TGQuWFhYcSm55AcKC1hDJzn8 1IKt17UjDNkUI2AgXY3TehSgUSgLYtCiI1djS4A7ZAgl8aJ2joimtC7kpeIZ0IwcR3h5 CHRe8o6QgtVxGQrGq+2TboccwjbWTLyUdO5YtLrv7ciR/Xq4k+xSuRXVy65h24rYGFsY AG2lxExxj3TFF65eyAB18Ylxz4mWJFwN63ap0bQVRXdE+5+xdvOfBrmhtKFnoZj5ozec F9+w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=rz9jkfuGyFq8g2EtJbBSKF+hGQekC8SmaWfcc+jeY14=; b=YauF84Iwa5djvAiQaEIUYKu9ejPzytPnEui94dB/cdpKE+Sa+OdqHY5S/BT/fSJhE7 vkh8RsPgaqU4Ss7TAkd5Yc3pjlKsi7ZrYaD0/fGS+eLzWWAfzLXmF0UplpZxx7U2Y9W8 2vLaFzH7K1DQDj0ZFBvcnnyX1BLpzB50r1H8wCAifhiKfPuTgAd/Lm77FlOuYEU0G4jV NWorRKVsYqQy+cOdPMzzuBuQ1gTU1RO2Jn7NvB3PltOSBhMWYE60QuSFTlcSLQfSuYzx kVSrwcaKiTa23asdxWPR5KlPn2SDPvOWvo7xcQbXhTKBVNZJlNz3bMTPA0j892rRX4wI XLkg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H28pR6Vub4c09QZyjvEPs8vq8hMyC64vKu2ypmUyL56MUtxK7lgoPpARzCRdkIF8BYR83Hfi/6PBpFQYA== X-Received: by 10.129.72.199 with SMTP id v190mr12312741ywa.22.1489953886085; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 13:04:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.171.199 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 13:04:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: William Dudley Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 16:04:45 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? To: Matthew Seaman Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:04:47 -0000 I have all of the stuff you referenced in my ${hostname}.mc. I have a dh.param in /etc/mail/certs And yet, telnet localhost 25 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mail.casano.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.15.2/8.15.2; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 16:02:48 -0400 (EDT) ehlo localhost 250-mail.casano.com Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES 250-PIPELINING 250-8BITMIME 250-SIZE 250-DSN 250-ETRN 250-DELIVERBY 250 HELP quit 221 2.0.0 mail.casano.com closing connection Connection closed by foreign host. in which STARTTLS is conspicuous by it's absence. Surely I am missing some crucial, undocumented step. Is there anything else I should check? Thanks, Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 18/03/2017 22:44, William Dudley wrote: > > A google search does not reveal a useful answer. > > > > I just want to use a self-signed certificate so I can get my email from > my > > FreeBSD mail server to my cell phone. My FreeBSD server runs sendmail. > > I don't really want to switch to postfix, qmail, etc. etc. > > Hmm... STARTTLS capability is enabled by default in freebsd.mc in 11.0 > -- I think it might be on 10.3 as well. > > Anyhow, you need the following sort of thing in your ${hostname}.mc -- > > define(`CERT_DIR', `/etc/mail/certs')dnl > define(`confSERVER_CERT', `CERT_DIR/host.cert')dnl > define(`confSERVER_KEY', `CERT_DIR/host.key')dnl > define(`confCLIENT_CERT', `CERT_DIR/host.cert')dnl > define(`confCLIENT_KEY', `CERT_DIR/host.key')dnl > define(`confCACERT', `CERT_DIR/cacert.pem')dnl > define(`confCACERT_PATH', `CERT_DIR')dnl > define(`confDH_PARAMETERS', `CERT_DIR/dh.param')dnl > > and you need to create all of the host.key and host.cert and cacert.pem > and dh.param files. That's mostly covered here: > > http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/other/cagreg.html > > Note that for e-mail purposes you don't generally need a certificate > signed by a well known CA -- just self signed is fine. With e-mail, > it's more important to ensure privacy in transit rather than to identify > the party you're corresponding with. > > The dh.param file you can generate by: > > openssl dHParam -outform PEM -out dh.param 2048 > > IIRC adding all this will allow your sendmail install to support > STARTTLS, but not make it require STARTTLS. I believe there's a > DAEMON_OPTIONS setting to achieve that, but I'd need to look that up. > Get hold of the O'Reilly sendmail book if you're interested -- it has > details of all this stuff. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 19 20:07:48 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD213D13FCA for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:07:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-x233.google.com (mail-yw0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A1E71E27 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:07:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw0-x233.google.com with SMTP id o4so79282654ywd.3 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 13:07:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=R/4snLIcAE0oays8emUbNDxpQfPMugqrkRDbN+fJE1Q=; b=phc68VgYnMWZhdJXnZvAntcCznLGfje+h/jFJjG3B7ZJdI8bbDItSo9f0MYtKKQTwY CAObVxDi6BiJwKsb7du8sj2kyt7ZashXwlZoPDb0skb3W4fOQSHYFCqQ/tsrVPND9BE6 o/OxQ53G6KOWLVzjnP2UvOu7p35SZDAB5vipnlpG4zclYIhtdZSWI5Y4yBjmrGzWw6wp tCnqXUNisYC99r/8CldmNIUyV8DFbO1vACPACO2Mxf2OB1RvmJrRctKo7k2xBzp7u3HP 59rn9u0L/pXexUME+wGO8Ue6CyqmYK7ueMOa4BlYIFGfl5EOxE0ymKWfALFP7HNvVpCz zSMg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=R/4snLIcAE0oays8emUbNDxpQfPMugqrkRDbN+fJE1Q=; b=Z0iX8fByrM5J/UT7XkNwlG7LuI39O/p8KFbcLWwVtUqqmFSQo8TUBKn7ki7jBK6DTE IjAeGpezX2V+7g4ZG1Yn4zkM+YRsGNoaijiAIdnLcfvGR0dz+Er2ICt8orKWfBXPOJef RcuUipaOFQWDBdtI3mL0vlMcYkT9gGFs2OJNtXq7dsap3zwF8brwZNlwa3XUAMd4RRhn Jge1IFh1MOyYSDoTm1ryGEOFm+UVHws8yb9tv8+dIxgewlSTc7tj0QJsm95pXKoTsRbU /iuVUrB0ZVgo5UhJ2dwrv4sW+G+nHD5HWgmk4Adf8CeF62vu7OSwcYFEMiRgEj211+Bc tovw== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H0jjvSviqpj3/szFMRPq5t5t+JQewRShtR/CRw7Q77POqcmmlKoWHHINpH54v5pXDbzeQ6JZ4q9s48xJg== X-Received: by 10.37.114.69 with SMTP id n66mr15844930ybc.157.1489954067707; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 13:07:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.171.199 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 13:07:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: William Dudley Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 16:07:47 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? To: Patrick Mahan Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:07:48 -0000 I commented out the lines starting with checkHost, and started stunnel. It does start, and runs as a daemon. However, it doesn't seem to DO anything. However, that hasn't changed sendmail's behaviour one iota. As far as I can tell, stunnel is a massive waste of time. I don't really want to spend months reading all the stunnel docs to figure out how to get it to work with sendmail. Sendmail is hard enough on it's own, and I can mostly control sendmail (well, except for the STARTTLS problem.) Thanks, Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 9:53 AM, William Dudley wrote: > stunnel fails to start with this helpful message: > > /usr/local/etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf:68: "checkHost = pop.gmail.com": > Specified option name is not valid here > > The line it's complaining about is in the EXAMPLE config file. > > So this is not going well, at all. > > pop.gmail.com is a valid hostname. I have no idea what stunnel is > complaining about. > > Bill Dudley > > > This email is free of malware because I run Linux. > > On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 9:44 AM, William Dudley > wrote: > >> I'll look into this, but a quick read of the stunnel docs, I don't see >> STARTTLS mentioned, >> and I thought that was a requirement. >> >> Bill Dudley >> >> >> This email is free of malware because I run Linux. >> >> On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 11:21 PM, Patrick Mahan wrote: >> >>> On 3/18/17 3:44 PM, William Dudley wrote: >>> > A google search does not reveal a useful answer. >>> > >>> > I just want to use a self-signed certificate so I can get my email >>> from my >>> > FreeBSD mail server to my cell phone. My FreeBSD server runs sendmail. >>> > I don't really want to switch to postfix, qmail, etc. etc. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Bill Dudley >>> > >>> >>> Have you considered using stunnel(8)? I use it to front my sendmail and >>> other servers that I want to make a secure connection. >>> >>> Patrick >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe >>> @freebsd.org" >>> >> >> > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 19 22:10:14 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8823D1323D for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 22:10:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kong.khemarq@outlook.com) Received: from APC01-SG2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092253087.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.253.87]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "Microsoft IT SSL SHA2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CD98137C for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 22:10:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kong.khemarq@outlook.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outlook.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=NT9ocAPM/VqqOfryBCDM2fKyHYWdEmULCvgTl0RpIKs=; b=Oy+qLlgxZalMEQKJrAwVkNpOmCDZ99JLUih8lo9HJ2b4R7VOHt/v401w9GCvvbbkF+f1XaYUS9EnziWLHSAodeWeX6iBeDJu9GEgWDwo9+HAH6xL2/5+4VqTiDZ5iuectHx5ZPg/7AIu/GI7Mp5j7Rxy9A/qmanWkdbl8erNzFvmXX+ci/AVTZpV5woZc8th41olxRAFUNv/4M/z1B1U/ZFCoR3BDG0CJuMq8FaMwf5F4LEz+uSqHHNYwXYc6+1E/xZDV/LHlwmivLpYLNuJ5bmIdln9qBdNwE+h5sk0el47MYagWcPxH0KDdSU9L3Xs80mbrz8cy47FW9fRHLhg6g== Received: from HK2APC01FT017.eop-APC01.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.248.55) by HK2APC01HT217.eop-APC01.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.249.140) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.947.7; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 22:10:10 +0000 Received: from PS1PR0401MB1529.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com (10.152.248.60) by HK2APC01FT017.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.248.184) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.947.7 via Frontend Transport; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 22:10:10 +0000 Received: from PS1PR0401MB1529.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com ([10.165.69.24]) by PS1PR0401MB1529.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com ([10.165.69.24]) with mapi id 15.01.0977.018; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 22:10:10 +0000 From: KONG KHEMARA To: freebsd-questions Subject: Greeting! 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <621229dc-df78-30c8-f53c-b9b6820ab3c3@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 22:40:09 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7I01nXetlMSXvN70ILJ3jqaCWfnhIdBrL" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 22:40:28 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --7I01nXetlMSXvN70ILJ3jqaCWfnhIdBrL Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="B6uTpomETdS7N4NtHIGO2bVNDaLcrpDoP"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <621229dc-df78-30c8-f53c-b9b6820ab3c3@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? References: In-Reply-To: --B6uTpomETdS7N4NtHIGO2bVNDaLcrpDoP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 19/03/2017 15:16, Gerard Seibert wrote: > On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 14:34:34 +0000, Matthew Seaman stated: >=20 >> The dh.param file you can generate by: >> >> openssl dHParam -outform PEM -out dh.param 2048 >=20 > Are you sure about that command? I receive the following error message:= >=20 > openssl dHParam -outform PEM -out dh.param 2048 > openssl:Error: 'dHParam' is an invalid command. >=20 > However, using lower case, ie. 'dhparam' works fine. >=20 Ooops. Perils of copying from the web without checking everything yourself. I knew the command was /something/ like that, but clearly the details escaped me. Oh, and while you're thinking about DH parameters, consulting this site should prove illuminating: https://www.weakdh.org/ Cheers, Matthew --B6uTpomETdS7N4NtHIGO2bVNDaLcrpDoP-- --7I01nXetlMSXvN70ILJ3jqaCWfnhIdBrL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJYzwjPXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2NTNBNjhCOTEzQTRFNkNGM0UxRTEzMjZC QjIzQUY1MThFMUE0MDEzAAoJELsjr1GOGkATNLQQALAdWL9YKhyglKPGfyDs51Wq JWMr2NKbFVdEb/my/m2ksY4UsH88q9u3JcUKbGuL2yVdbo5pJ+wpljM0BeKe1eqq 2YhWRWQ5DMRM8cW4MrWDfbZBcgPvZmz2BBIrXtk6t4Yv0bXCwkSaFRgfgUfxoGPu wZJzV6AlpN5hqJ5Hat22CUAFdelRru27RK/kuhh55xn2kzAX3VaLKVDfT0qXnz9Y CQbEjYKE84JiBNy/hin5FxJilf01Ns7MHwgMKj559jWiynFb1PFYtwjXkhKu972+ gbFxNjhHnzAJLz4UsWIX6jBRitWQBz3OoQ1n1Fu3kYI40eRepD0J+IrsuIL5zyTP BrOXPWL3aaaSiNuP/gpr06a8tEAOUn94zW9lSo9iaHj2yi8MxRGmM8Om7gnOzvtK jlC9B+F+FXw7CAJumEeDnYnp3NPMFYwrwe2ePjCJefSW5HFkH0IaIiduq/fBSL+z IzqczR8sEulIcvCvGByfOBe7fckNd3lEqBohBVjQ2WV2WH1VrcBUTzl3xm03Ozay DV9HqYlHA1nere3ZZ0rOog7xVMLgV18+KK1a/fw3Ne/cFObdBintigPneRLKahAF x+mzVltBq3a29OVTuwKNA9En6bPFS3hvyKZh+nMKATO559pILmROpWabVXQtNk1d DVkQJd6ITTt6KcRc4XS+ =teJi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7I01nXetlMSXvN70ILJ3jqaCWfnhIdBrL-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 19 23:02:54 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04256D136A9 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 23:02:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A64013CF for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 23:02:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local (unknown [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:1c1d:86a1:a200:b700]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DF9F410D3B; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 23:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/DF9F410D3B; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? To: William Dudley References: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 23:02:47 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="nKbL2JT6CFjtmoa9m6MS2REhVTukK8aq6" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 23:02:54 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --nKbL2JT6CFjtmoa9m6MS2REhVTukK8aq6 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="jiieWqFMOJ3p6fH1rFecmnkiqFLTARAGn"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: William Dudley Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? References: In-Reply-To: --jiieWqFMOJ3p6fH1rFecmnkiqFLTARAGn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 19/03/2017 20:04, William Dudley wrote: > I have all of the stuff you referenced in my ${hostname}.mc. >=20 > I have a dh.param in /etc/mail/certs >=20 > And yet, >=20 > telnet localhost 25 > Trying 127.0.0.1... > Connected to localhost. > Escape character is '^]'. > 220 mail.casano.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.15.2/8.15.2; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 16:0= 2:48 > -0400 (EDT) > ehlo localhost > 250-mail.casano.com Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you > 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES > 250-PIPELINING > 250-8BITMIME > 250-SIZE > 250-DSN > 250-ETRN > 250-DELIVERBY > 250 HELP > quit > 221 2.0.0 mail.casano.com closing connection > Connection closed by foreign host. > > in which STARTTLS is conspicuous by it's absence. >=20 > Surely I am missing some crucial, undocumented step. >=20 > Is there anything else I should check? >=20 The chapter and verse on setting this up is here: http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/starttls.html You really only need the stuff on that page up to the 'Operation' section= =2E Do you have the symbolic link of the cacert hash pointing at the cacert? Like so: lucid-nonsense:/etc/mail/certs:% ls -la total 36 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 7 Jul 19 2016 ./ drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 22 Feb 5 12:37 ../ lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 10 Jul 19 2016 5d402486.0@ -> cacert.pem -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1367 Jul 19 2016 cacert.pem -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 424 May 21 2015 dh.param -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1415 Jul 19 2016 host.cert -rw------- 1 root wheel 1704 Jul 19 2016 host.key If you need to, create that by: ln -s cacert.pem `openssl x509 -noout -hash < cacert.pem`.0 Also check permissions -- the host.key file should be owned by root:wheel and mode 0600 as shown here. Check in /var/log/maillog for any relevant messages from when you restarted sendmail or tried sending or receiving messages. One final sanity check: does the output from 'sendmail -d0.1' show that it was compiled with STARTTLS? If not, then you'll need to choose one of the following: * Install sendmail from ports, compiled with the necessary settings * Tweak settings in your src.conf or make.conf and rebuild sendmail from the system sources.[*] * Upgrade to 11.0, where all this stuff definitely is enabled already. Cheers, Matthew [*] ISTR that this sort of thing was not necessary for STARTTLS support, but it is necessary for SASL support. 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Also will need to have asterisk/sip experience with pf. Thanks. Dave. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 20 04:59:44 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA7F2D13417 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 04:59:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mahan@mahan.org) Received: from ns.mahan.org (23-24-207-145-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [23.24.207.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABE8D14A5 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 04:59:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mahan@mahan.org) Received: from Cone-of-Silence.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.mahan.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id v2K4xgCL092445; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 21:59:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mahan@mahan.org) Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? To: William Dudley References: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Patrick Mahan Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 21:59:36 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 04:59:44 -0000 On 3/19/17 1:07 PM, William Dudley wrote: > I commented out the lines starting with checkHost, and started stunnel. > It does start, and runs as a daemon. However, it doesn't seem to DO anything. > > However, that hasn't changed sendmail's behaviour one iota. > > As far as I can tell, stunnel is a massive waste of time. > > I don't really want to spend months reading all the stunnel docs to figure out > how to get it to work with sendmail. Sendmail is hard enough on it's own, and > I can mostly control sendmail (well, except for the STARTTLS problem.) > > Thanks, > Bill Dudley > > > This email is free of malware because I run Linux. > > On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 9:53 AM, William Dudley > wrote: > > stunnel fails to start with this helpful message: > > /usr/local/etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf:68: "checkHost = pop.gmail.com > ": Specified option name is not valid here > > The line it's complaining about is in the EXAMPLE config file. > > So this is not going well, at all. > > pop.gmail.com is a valid hostname. I have no idea > what stunnel is complaining about. > Okay, Let me share what I do. I believe stunnel needs to run on the same host as the sendmail server. First, here is some relevant parts from my stunnel config file: ; Sample stunnel configuration file by Michal Trojnara 2002-2005 ; Some options used here may not be adequate for your particular configuration ; Please make sure you understand them (especially the effect of chroot jail) ; Certificate/key is needed in server mode and optional in client mode cert = /usr/local/etc/stunnel/sslcerts/stunnel.pem ;key = /usr/local/etc/stunnel/mail.pem ; Some security enhancements for UNIX systems - comment them out on Win32 chroot = /var/stunnel/ setuid = stunnel setgid = stunnel ; PID is created inside chroot jail pid = /stunnel.pid ; Some performance tunings socket = l:TCP_NODELAY=1 socket = r:TCP_NODELAY=1 ;compression = rle ; Workaround for Eudora bug ;options = DONT_INSERT_EMPTY_FRAGMENTS ; Authentication stuff verify = 0 .... ; Some debugging stuff useful for troubleshooting debug = 7 output = stunnel.log ; Use it for client mode ;client = yes ; Service-level configuration [pop3s] accept = 995 connect = 110 [imaps] accept = 993 connect = 143 [smtps] accept = 465 connect = 25 I run dovecot for my imap server which is listening on port 143: mahan@ns-/usr/local/etc/stunnel 11 # sockstat | grep 110 root dovecot 915 22 tcp4 *:110 *:* But I connect from my mail clients (ios mail, thunderbird, ...) to port 993. The mail clients are all configured to use ssl/tls, *not* startttl. My smtp I connect via stunnel over port 465, not port 25 for sending mail. So what are you trying to accomplish? The idea is for your accessing these servers in an encrypted fashion. But from your above description, it sounds like you are trying to access your unsecured gmail account using POP3. Not sure why as the connection from stunnel to pop.gmail.com will be unsecured. What email client are you trying to use? Patrick From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 20 12:04:22 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2706BD13150 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 12:04:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B90BA3D for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 12:04:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from becker.bs.l ([85.180.4.23]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue002 [212.227.15.129]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MIlzs-1cnkBm2NiK-002H8n for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:04:18 +0100 Received: from bsch by becker.bs.l with local (Exim 4.88 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1cpw2s-0008Pg-6g for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:04:18 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:04:18 +0100 From: Bertram Scharpf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: X crash Message-ID: <20170320120418.GA31479@becker.bs.l> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) Sender: Bertram Scharpf X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:rogCyLkO+lH1UxhWoaD8u81BvwWj0u8PhdL/9ZMN5724iTYgcVH nnjD5szts4alnHbQQMz8JF4STpUeu6sCcTSIYB5IVpgQT/ZQaSTd25PkekQh4nPKOjMVHYT ro/EuHFPW0ATqXH+v9eVxuX8Z0kqqYdZBGLWPzYIzm+85mV2sc65/bADcOiBGTskmsmi1lI qN7W96rMHxrz1ot+mwEVg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:kLTxwYarP5Y=:CxpzdWxADgD110X2KUmKd+ YdgjbLjAgCsbcEBgfIEeldiLmdMwlpBoBgCHYSMu/7OYWAS7BbudLwKGK9eY3E3UYWMydEXwf fbcTguNTTLByhkHD3Y29eBxA8wlMBb7lAj6AYZrcOUeWfKgy+FHz33R/wnqHYhXYU5abQWuVD 7U8HJiMlxpHJ91q8zNDcT+34Bcen8ABvUtnpAkzxBU1Z2I0j6yll6NQaz7uQ2RzaYtOB6KE5y q6S4Ml2JM0QgCJRo2eUVJuwt3F5i8GEuQUAs/XhkGAmGOz/Ze7vfGUv+IL3JohvzxcGicPK+O 68w4tM5TL3lKvbS5kJFilMgJKPCzx/+rMuj7t6CLjdbC0XdqLLBYn8XFgqm0jCcvcEMrIKUef U5o8IXEavaNrwi7x/a/kkOcgRxyBKL9gYonsR4a8On+fVMcEkR0eEJashfdQwQ75zj9jhfhj/ l46tJ6HQKu+6oMdrWY/PY25soOwhfLT5nzgPgLRfjwpJyHHkApCLFyGthYjM+zt9VoV4VRrNF NFBvlU9ianZ8PnA64MNmQybLEIZBdG1pR82SLclmx+VpC2DFg9LQ7JlkMHjl0nrNJOsgyhOhd vBJG8GCaUQiIBxgBFLP77EH54o8GX7FMRe55I5QPAVtFKQDulkww6wI0PGlHPVBxMUgia9+U0 Odh6RxtizCu7sy085UDtJuiY3MAOrK/+AROzV3eqE0+CCuRQpC2VMNGm2uwxxODhyqec= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 12:04:22 -0000 Hi, On Wednesday, 15. Mar 2017, 23:22:21 +0100, Bertram Scharpf wrote: > [...] I upgraded the packages on > my desktop machine, and -- voila -- it crashes and > reboots as soon as I start Xorg. I detected that when I comment out the driver line in "xorg.conf", X crashes no longer. Section "Device" Identifier "Card0" # Driver "intel" BusID "PCI:0:2:0" ... As far as I see in the log file, the driver still is loaded. Of course, as the system crashes immediately, I cannot diff the log file against the configuration causing the bad behaviour. The port "x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel" has been updated two weeks ago. There must be some relation. What can I do to diagnose this problem? Thanks in advance. Bertram -- Bertram Scharpf Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany http://www.bertram-scharpf.de From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 20 13:13:12 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5AA9D13AE9 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:13:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-x22b.google.com (mail-yw0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FE5510B7 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:13:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id p77so89226979ywg.1 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 06:13:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=P6uo4L604oGfyImS2HXb3rDeHqg8QjpuapiqcTC4T2o=; b=BwYt8ab4eD/n2Azo/P+2THnJlJ0yi5GASUK65wslBSpLeEMDSFiWc+0B2JbXIbL/6Z qbSn8i8EoxNoPq8MUOw9ixkOa0TSnPeCQpVujKfUMo3jTe528nyJpqwKtGO+Mwb2b8QV Jfg/TBzMM9eWYb2teOe7EawCA2YDpTJWWx++49PCXcun7/Ph8OdymnyhpQXNbyyiDUTR uDQ4emyZPZDt0sBul6hb6V1VnKcZgBPgfytDKiL5YHY4PWVs6+fOL+fZpwSNYSDv0oWh dJXvyScxpt1HVEOVFT7cuLkfBzZ/vjAV1ybkZNPXn28Ph7ZUDWCISfWk7pvbqiqYscH8 aPiw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=P6uo4L604oGfyImS2HXb3rDeHqg8QjpuapiqcTC4T2o=; b=nkPsG5zOxxL6mRFXZH2f2hfy6y9INOwyoXBVWUfqqlwlOAT3jGF5dMzTwVGAm8wLWn birc0C85V+HjxdfbG9z3KN7cvyNPzbSLdN7/gv9mnXl4ppcGDjxfV7juBorxsGUwq4OD KUqVmNRVmvlNly7mgoV7snEi2ADumgx5VE7+bMYcGMukgQYHwPM6EyxWMQZRm+tYrtTu 30ivuHCEpftFOytM47i2GoXRFqQ+BAqcnjb0ZEeXWjtBQstXv4gAFKDcmjqioqT+iXrJ OzbSTciPfICG+kty2yn4CRD4VI7Kn2xjaFI0iYUQVZOWEjYH4dGiTiwZhpvUPCj3vpyv 3dLw== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H38btedKVTxYxKqouoEDUqrK4p9PMgFT0jxjezVOwNqOEdpdOhFYBgys18O7aGgHE4ARwQR84K2g7ZI3g== X-Received: by 10.37.223.146 with SMTP id w140mr17479245ybg.99.1490015591405; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 06:13:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.171.199 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 06:13:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: William Dudley Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 09:13:10 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? To: Patrick Mahan Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:13:12 -0000 The point of this exercise is to allow my Android phone to access my email on my FreeBSD 10.3 server, using imap. I had it working last year, and then, with nary an error message, it stopped working. So the email client is the native Android email client (on a recent Cyanogen Android). My FreeBSD server runs sendmail, and I've been running my own mail domain for about a decade. My latest guess (and that's all I can do is guess) is that my self-signed certificates expired, and I just need to re-generate them. All the sources on sendmail and STARTTLS that I've seen so far show configs identical to my config, so from this I infer perhaps one or more of my cert files is "bad". stunnel may well be a wonderful program, but I really don't want to figure out how to specify each of the 500 lines in it's config file, especially when the software doesn't run successfully with it's own sample config file. Thanks for your time, Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:59 AM, Patrick Mahan wrote: > On 3/19/17 1:07 PM, William Dudley wrote: > > I commented out the lines starting with checkHost, and started stunnel. > > It does start, and runs as a daemon. However, it doesn't seem to DO > anything. > > > > However, that hasn't changed sendmail's behaviour one iota. > > > > As far as I can tell, stunnel is a massive waste of time. > > > > I don't really want to spend months reading all the stunnel docs to > figure out > > how to get it to work with sendmail. Sendmail is hard enough on it's > own, and > > I can mostly control sendmail (well, except for the STARTTLS problem.) > > > > Thanks, > > Bill Dudley > > > > > > This email is free of malware because I run Linux. > > > > On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 9:53 AM, William Dudley > > wrote: > > > > stunnel fails to start with this helpful message: > > > > /usr/local/etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf:68: "checkHost = pop.gmail.com > > ": Specified option name is not valid here > > > > The line it's complaining about is in the EXAMPLE config file. > > > > So this is not going well, at all. > > > > pop.gmail.com is a valid hostname. I have > no idea > > what stunnel is complaining about. > > > > Okay, Let me share what I do. I believe stunnel needs to run on the same > host > as the sendmail server. > > First, here is some relevant parts from my stunnel config file: > > ; Sample stunnel configuration file by Michal Trojnara 2002-2005 > ; Some options used here may not be adequate for your particular > configuration > ; Please make sure you understand them (especially the effect of chroot > jail) > > ; Certificate/key is needed in server mode and optional in client mode > cert = /usr/local/etc/stunnel/sslcerts/stunnel.pem > ;key = /usr/local/etc/stunnel/mail.pem > > ; Some security enhancements for UNIX systems - comment them out on Win32 > chroot = /var/stunnel/ > setuid = stunnel > setgid = stunnel > ; PID is created inside chroot jail > pid = /stunnel.pid > > ; Some performance tunings > socket = l:TCP_NODELAY=1 > socket = r:TCP_NODELAY=1 > ;compression = rle > > ; Workaround for Eudora bug > ;options = DONT_INSERT_EMPTY_FRAGMENTS > > ; Authentication stuff > verify = 0 > > .... > > ; Some debugging stuff useful for troubleshooting > debug = 7 > output = stunnel.log > > ; Use it for client mode > ;client = yes > > ; Service-level configuration > > [pop3s] > accept = 995 > connect = 110 > > [imaps] > accept = 993 > connect = 143 > > [smtps] > accept = 465 > connect = 25 > > I run dovecot for my imap server which is listening on port 143: > > mahan@ns-/usr/local/etc/stunnel 11 # sockstat | grep 110 > root dovecot 915 22 tcp4 *:110 *:* > > But I connect from my mail clients (ios mail, thunderbird, ...) to port > 993. The > mail clients are all configured to use ssl/tls, *not* startttl. > > My smtp I connect via stunnel over port 465, not port 25 for sending mail. > > So what are you trying to accomplish? The idea is for your accessing these > servers in an encrypted fashion. But from your above description, it > sounds > like you are trying to access your unsecured gmail account using POP3. Not > sure why as the connection from stunnel to pop.gmail.com will be > unsecured. > > What email client are you trying to use? > > Patrick > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 20 13:29:31 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B75D145C4 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:29:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm34-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm34-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.122]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53EAA1F8E for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:29:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1490016359; bh=ahBGY3jaXIPZapfyh3tGxOZcVJfF1qPHZIH8C38FYsc=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=njT110SNG+nLuER+sys3Qx+w69O8M05yqi1UaA4prTPK0v0S3HbZOpHqlruyR3R7irhMxJaNnOXBtqW+EI6DZa5UtNZbociJTm8xhvNKMGQup5kpx7xsICstTPk7O1xDCURc4bMgktq8RG82f/gC9nCezSxsB0NlA510AavsIgTkcdtQWiz/kCX1Oo6u90MvK+LQrAZJWuZRFBSSNKK5SyR/7w+/Xd5MvW8JqdjiHIrrC8z7L35vxmmwqHekucp42TOsmm+h5xIGSG7J24uBJ7iKlowr0l0INaw+4tYwzYR8zKxiRMtzyNJdq+tQWdn2+utrqqqimpXt87WK6Reb7g== Received: from [212.82.98.53] by nm34.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2017 13:25:59 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.104] by tm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2017 13:25:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp141.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2017 13:25:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 764468.32495.bm@smtp141.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: MPTlRPIVM1mJMhIMeylO4R3su5nT.MJEBY8p7rd6qT4yYip twgV04WAOpzAIfEyPMjhSM1x.RGOMBP9O1k1EQynQzU.YgJXnkQ_xav_xBOk 0KkNx7lRIUq6G90UpEQhJX9kThmml6j0_HHAd7C2vkmcagra02LwXqIGRm6m L0eTqdoPc8nK.x7NJtBvxSwZnV57uGVRWi4YiwOYOeoCasWeV7YR8CwKDbk0 gNbijJz6dzdPvrjBxMOSS57timcLBuqNZlirL66KyzvQXqT3_leuW09eX0Nl 1CwqH_57.Agtr7mQsYzIsUak_r1vvk8UIZqqsNMPgyEvPQo1.vQ_Eo2MFBo3 B31u2Sr6Wcv78z73o2ZqE_BPZLvAjFZTC8C.v_H729bJoiUs0G7IwRRi2oeh abTorjApVll3A.sRShH3HIrc8gvkpeSbekc5S2o.WZCNUE9_JfjAns.2ecn5 MMdhYckGe7sDY3YCG9JkADk0SG3eXTIpUKtaf6gGaOxU8Jr1lPOW6gQjgD2j fyT1ai40BJzSRfTAq1.G9SIGgeVilxJx5SkWipPqaJzIDtuaHr9grjqlDZFl DH.V_0.nC6sCa..iY6BrszuXctJKy X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:25:59 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X crash Message-ID: <20170320142559.128f6e0a@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20170320120418.GA31479@becker.bs.l> References: <20170320120418.GA31479@becker.bs.l> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1-19-ge7206c0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:29:31 -0000 On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:04:18 +0100, Bertram Scharpf wrote: >What can I do to diagnose this problem? https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x11-understanding.html grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log less /var/log/Xorg.0.log Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 20 13:33:33 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8970BD14AAD for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:33:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm7-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm7-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AB7D1454 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:33:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1490016648; bh=zKWaRVfwb1HhWe30/DKCXUgW20Dovb6SxS0FCOFtDQM=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=Y7789Bc+fJdxTQb5np5xIaxniUIUzOavRmyohhDH7mBpoFus/SDx56/NtzY53goxK6O+pHn4bfO4BZWCqbgr3974Vhs5cKSKCvfhSW2DcOjNUJJGvGO1voilPNnYh5+no9N4h+pFXX+CVXTN85QmROHMVXzjwmIFRhDicrHJ+TXbUZz4v/NNKW2UwAF90zHO9HesVExQbBo3RxNtmZDFMjyVXxyinTocS87RNM4sbgMjpanhw+eynUW2Dhvjikl4xAn1FaczdBuaGZAXYV3VYDSvCGt3zf4qE7NeVAnczJzOLYme3SYXTPOQgksR6c4sSLiteb+jL4YJgIbglqGWEA== Received: from [212.82.98.52] by nm7.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2017 13:30:48 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.89] by tm5.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2017 13:30:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp126.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2017 13:30:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 371608.9187.bm@smtp126.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: AN74rd8VM1mtGKxYixDx90ai.GZ1cm3ugIZXyGeSvwFlwcV rJ8_fN9ImH8VYK7G0lZFPwhNorgNypa2FhrhZ8JQIjPs6JS_Eeo1oZWqB3UC 9iE1FTHrU8ya.D87HOzRui8z3dI4ttdYtQAFhG0S13FMs8UwFLhicpUNW1ji mn99sunuzLE5E9_BaFVQzkS_RwPjPcEVhH.sINycwkeUd2vox60m9epjVSjn 12nXHLUsJ7bcoME.z0qm5qU73eLsGq_7yn53BRPtxqGALFTWh20EjTmTSZ4P Jgg04t4ilJv1O5t2rZvOpdz7fug1yr4pZCJhe87Ua6lSWJZfoHzVdTbzO6Je dnXdCeQCxHnUyyX1KP2ug_splRTLljBCcwB9TY27fG3E8Ix2AqEhgISctz9n .oicNLCVl8qWLCjRin9ynGoPXVv0Cuqozo0iTPG5JEVlKel7XMJFVsyzb_SE FOdUfKEz2FD5S0uic5jhVkTx3dP3ithfHOyZbT2GJqiwyyFluoQGSx8sEKCs Llb9lBXm7iXeRIIL7c_j.2nrCGpfIKAZqepPKawAbUGDP1NJm6YXwGZUwSLH 7Mh0MUbfMq65ydW_LHVgL7Laz7Q8hJA83Fg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:30:47 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X crash Message-ID: <20170320143047.1ecd59fb@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20170320120418.GA31479@becker.bs.l> References: <20170320120418.GA31479@becker.bs.l> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1-19-ge7206c0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:33:33 -0000 On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:04:18 +0100, Bertram Scharpf wrote: >As far as I see in the log file My apologies, so recommending to check the log file isn't really helpful :D. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 20 14:37:57 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8F7D13EF6 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:37:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AADE1D42 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:37:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from becker.bs.l ([85.180.4.23]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue004 [212.227.15.129]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M53xy-1bzXJv3Qli-00zDzi for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 15:37:53 +0100 Received: from bsch by becker.bs.l with local (Exim 4.88 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1cpyRU-0006wT-ON for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 15:37:52 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 15:37:52 +0100 From: Bertram Scharpf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X crash Message-ID: <20170320143752.GA29891@becker.bs.l> Reply-To: Bertram Scharpf Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20170320120418.GA31479@becker.bs.l> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20170320120418.GA31479@becker.bs.l> User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) Sender: Bertram Scharpf X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:H5vSyPVur7BL206ZJPH/KaRKfBnmC/SYdj0CnHixhlf1ww0Gisl nQJ8RGXezQzgh/Mu6F1H77Q/qFXjDD4YPCo8d61LkOwnGEUyadcAoOw9R4f6I5LAGAKTfdw OpjZUsF3jy5nZGQskzbz1e6cDX70zmBnFMCKxS5PjFp/KDCrT8K6U+ux9M1RjU+ruRQkJRC 5v5by29r6hvpOb6asy5Eg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:gSKvKdjiYCE=:+ekMnxabRgyZVT3/2YGEYO uKaPP64DwigAQUlnHFfeL/zh7utsvW1qnAcnOXKMjwVOY4zx7W3hMCm+qqhhA9yQFT5mp5AC/ r0qXgVznDwnVHOmPSal3dNglSznN30qrFK6ciT/Z+7C3XmRSuB9Pr9qt0AeqNLEMqYziV4PGa RqiuY00NbaOnZGJNViqkDKFLrYkFFOKiekWLO2AGKqO+9CX9dYM2n0OFjrwH6mVGa1HESeqDj 9/OGhcdvxtvi5LIictXvU8NnunwFa/uj+6jto15LRU6i6LvghpZNbd49IEWrnhLfZLuub00hL MvcgmZGZ1/wRoAZixIz20wTrCYkZwDsOSJafnu/Ad1w/ArMZdcispKiZgtOSXxzEBMSqChf2K 7hrVEsRtVhazmgiH9zv99wJ6TS0iKmxT2QbrgB6NNlBhE+iVFZBDcCEJpZAazMmUBArgSlq/F avevuIPd15SmbZ7Q/6YN11KYCMzKKTNZwITPb4M84iesdHU8EJzHCtMMKYg1CX4cmWapbe2lJ iaK4jwVX0ZwfiRCdWGNduroOxpJnT8dSccfOQYF+3ccYAd2DNmDFVQihZ2gF6VkPPqLZkeBAW RwMn66OVOuzBwkHeDZX1FaWiLGkTkrJFbMFoxttD8QNltN2yzwsQ0+RvNEJQFA0heUUl6xvE1 slol+jtnNl9pi0FfeAws6J3YZeGoFZjZ3S/Va9iARYaZuJFZuid2Qfsq7kDsRJu3MKIE= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:37:57 -0000 On Monday, 20. Mar 2017, 13:04:18 +0100, Bertram Scharpf wrote: > On Wednesday, 15. Mar 2017, 23:22:21 +0100, Bertram Scharpf wrote: > > [...] I upgraded the packages on > > my desktop machine, and -- voila -- it crashes and > > reboots as soon as I start Xorg. > > I detected that when I comment out the driver line in > "xorg.conf", X crashes no longer. > > Section "Device" > Identifier "Card0" > # Driver "intel" > BusID "PCI:0:2:0" > ... > > As far as I see in the log file, the driver still is loaded. > Of course, as the system crashes immediately, I cannot diff > the log file against the configuration causing the > bad behaviour. > > The port "x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel" has been updated two > weeks ago. There must be some relation. > > What can I do to diagnose this problem? Now I see on the freebsd-x11 mailing list that there is a bug indeed and that it is going to be solved. Thank you all for your help, especially those pointing me to handbook pages or quoting calendar mottos ("Before pointing the finger at FreeBSD, remind yourself that you will then have four fingers pointing at yourself."). 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PS II: I found your site using Google search and after having a look over your website I recommend you to implement future technologies such as HTML5 and Responsive Design to make your site more accessible in mobile phone, tablets, desktop etc.* From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 20 16:53:05 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A825AD133A1 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 16:53:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6771DC98 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 16:53:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89C4621BE for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 12:52:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6cupi7yq2hqU for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 12:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C5DEC6216F for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 12:52:54 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=harte-lyne.ca; s=dkim_hll; t=1490028774; bh=whl4zBwPImE1bBYXsR2GcFcV5ZysgTv3CkTWS8gbCC0=; h=Date:Subject:From:To:Reply-To; b=Z/YWhQeerL/CZ/Dd7wcMSUC632U8BmByhKSYD0e7CWjR3Iy75MBVJxHtcXP/D7F7W zsZWQs/nYFW8+fOhvnGXpXNGBhgETjvmZYau+t5zLR7gLWKDowncDa6l/TIIP9677S lQdP3Z58wvr4bH2JzBFUpX/+SmyTva8HfesgSJzr35dU79tGKLICmU8wo6jBW1nCcV DZgvVHRcsyITAt/yaKvon2m5iQyQUw7FK9mNvqdAF0Ohg6Kl4ov0bp/vm1K8oHvHR8 fPXdwFPI+FYENv0BF4mW64ZdFaTbm53iL9doO9XL4byXW50Vz9OqGTgB0zcRM36yOM E7TkHJFfuR1zw== Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 12:52:54 -0400 Message-ID: <047ac23fa90555e1aa298171e6b7d9ad.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 12:52:54 -0400 Subject: Unable to create bootable dvd From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-4.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 16:53:05 -0000 I have downloaded FreeBSD-11.0-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso. I have verified the sha512 hash: FreeBSD-11.0-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso: OK I have checked that the ISO is bootable: file /var/data/disk_images/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-11.0-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso /var/data/disk_images/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-11.0-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data '11_0_RELEASE_P1_AMD64_DVD' (bootable) However, no matter what technique I use I cannot obtain a bootable DVD from this image, or any other FreeBSD provided ISO file either. growisofs -speed=1 -dvd-compat -Z /dev/sr0=/var/data/disk_images/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-11.0-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso fdisk -l /dev/sr0 . . . a long long time - fdisk -l /dev/sr0 Note: sector size is 2048 (not 512) Disk /dev/sr0: 2930 MB, 2930409472 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 89 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 2048 = 32901120 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 2048 bytes / 2048 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 2048 bytes / 2048 bytes Disk identifier: 0x00000000 Now, to verify the software and dvd drive that I am using for this I created a dvd from a CentOS-6.7 image. This works fine. fdisk -l /dev/sr0 Note: sector size is 2048 (not 512) Disk /dev/sr0: 1991 MB, 1991245824 bytes 64 heads, 32 sectors/track, 474 cylinders Units = cylinders of 2048 * 2048 = 4194304 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 2048 bytes / 2048 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 2048 bytes / 2048 bytes Disk identifier: 0x75c649ae Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sr0p1 * 1 1899 7778304 17 Hidden HPFS/NTFS Partition 1 has different physical/logical endings: phys=(1023, 63, 32) logical=(1898, 63, 32) SO, what is going on? What is different about the FreeBSD ISO that prevents it from creating a bootable DVD, I have tried this on A CentOS-8 linus host and a Windows7Pro host and cannot obtain a bootable DVD. I can create bootable DVD from the CentOS ISO on both. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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[65.25.52.33]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id r85sm5544515itc.13.2017.03.20.11.05.08 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 20 Mar 2017 11:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <58D019EE.9030508@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:05:34 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: command line history broken in 11.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 18:05:10 -0000 On 10.3 I had the current session saving the command line history when issuing the shutdown, halt, and reboot command by using these alias commands that I added to the .cshrc file of my logged in user account. alias sd "exit && shutdown now" alias sdp "exit && shutdown -p now" alias rboot "exit && reboot" alias stop "exit && halt" Now after doing a clean install of 11.0 and using the same .cshrc file the rboot and stop alias commands no longer save the current history. They act like the exit command is not getting executed. The sd and sdp alias commands are working as expected. When existing from a session terminal by issuing the exit command does still save the current history. Is there an alternate method I can use? Here is my .cshrc file alias sd "exit && shutdown now" alias sdp "exit && shutdown -p now" alias rboot "exit && reboot" alias stop "exit && halt" # A righteous umask umask 22 set path = (/sbin /bin /usr/sbin /usr/bin /usr/local/sbin /usr/local/bin $HOME/bin) setenv EDITOR ee setenv PAGER more setenv BLOCKSIZE K if ($?prompt) then # An interactive shell -- set some stuff up set prompt = "%/ >" set filec set history = 100 set savehist = (100 merge) set histdup = erase set autolist = ambiguous # Use history to aid expansion set autoexpand set autorehash set mail = (/var/mail/$USER) if ( $?tcsh ) then bindkey "^W" backward-delete-word bindkey -k up history-search-backward bindkey -k down history-search-forward endif endif From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 20 18:19:28 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A927CD147E6 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 18:19:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22b.google.com (mail-it0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70C001B21 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 18:19:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id y18so45006025itc.0 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 11:19:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5xu9dOMtu18qSp5HRzWOLtirdBjqBV2jhSZoEY5oDtk=; b=jIu2qCPa6vd6fGMDWyZLpywl89WT1Uw0P8w+E/5cRt1tfmgbWWHU4nAHYjYTtU5IL5 4I33ybvzEL931qF8sKM4V+1cGQ75mXNpD5s1SMdCpIds4oJq1tx87+2aDh2Y8rjjaMqh iq+/H0pPw4mYv/4LYE0WqZ/rajqYYS8hyXF6MTUMYzi4Sig4t5+rwFDhjZaFfD/q2GuD DpbZCj32a4hGataeh1IV7WaiDlRx3JJyW2NGSlfZWDTV3gueYv9RlhhhpWQGnMQWYEvp a/+oEftiGR+PSYvy8dmM3REpLMIZhtlA+yoWYksGyD+OIhpSXMfyfOfFufbPd7ST8+SP t+kA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5xu9dOMtu18qSp5HRzWOLtirdBjqBV2jhSZoEY5oDtk=; b=ISzxeftjv2n27vGJGuhJEZtH1M+x9lVC+hSbgVCYSPjofX/GGX2cYbl0bilOUAdsqs FCylBIaxL03DoqNqRq1Rf8E4frDl9d2iEMVXr1EYERQaqrW+l7VaQtKU3WHkwQmpqe29 cCketWuyNGxntNVRNmo3PuWOa6pAmwHl4mHcqlZ5XFZGzeajYmD8PdioCMdMFGefWPzX pUp3rZUBVd4TqixunmYG+J1Y7bY7j73YJhW0XEETKtKl2A0otXauZRQEytJywuTAdl+u bCuqky/uBUA3vsQSvW6J4qT2Hc7QAlVsFxgZ5VhixfC43gWAq6I8/bBPNqmdeO4vOnat Jsug== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H2w+jukCyBpzHTxo86KSOcM4nThWQ6tOFyj/H1LYuS2QefnewnXh1RGPBA95x1BEA== X-Received: by 10.36.79.8 with SMTP id c8mr6085214itb.50.1490033967872; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 11:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.10.3] (cpe-65-25-52-33.neo.res.rr.com. [65.25.52.33]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id e137sm5561805ita.1.2017.03.20.11.19.27 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 20 Mar 2017 11:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <58D01D4A.9070301@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:19:54 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unable to create bootable dvd References: <047ac23fa90555e1aa298171e6b7d9ad.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: <047ac23fa90555e1aa298171e6b7d9ad.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 18:19:28 -0000 James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > I have downloaded FreeBSD-11.0-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso. > > I have verified the sha512 hash: > FreeBSD-11.0-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso: OK > > I have checked that the ISO is bootable: > file /var/data/disk_images/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-11.0-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso > > /var/data/disk_images/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-11.0-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso: ISO > 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data '11_0_RELEASE_P1_AMD64_DVD' (bootable) > > However, no matter what technique I use I cannot obtain a bootable DVD > from this image, or any other FreeBSD provided ISO file either. > > growisofs -speed=1 -dvd-compat -Z > /dev/sr0=/var/data/disk_images/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-11.0-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso > fdisk -l /dev/sr0 > . . . a long long time - > fdisk -l /dev/sr0 > Note: sector size is 2048 (not 512) > > Disk /dev/sr0: 2930 MB, 2930409472 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 89 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 2048 = 32901120 bytes > Sector size (logical/physical): 2048 bytes / 2048 bytes > I/O size (minimum/optimal): 2048 bytes / 2048 bytes > Disk identifier: 0x00000000 > > Now, to verify the software and dvd drive that I am using for this I > created a dvd from a CentOS-6.7 image. This works fine. > > fdisk -l /dev/sr0 > Note: sector size is 2048 (not 512) > > Disk /dev/sr0: 1991 MB, 1991245824 bytes > 64 heads, 32 sectors/track, 474 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 2048 * 2048 = 4194304 bytes > Sector size (logical/physical): 2048 bytes / 2048 bytes > I/O size (minimum/optimal): 2048 bytes / 2048 bytes > Disk identifier: 0x75c649ae > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sr0p1 * 1 1899 7778304 17 Hidden HPFS/NTFS > Partition 1 has different physical/logical endings: > phys=(1023, 63, 32) logical=(1898, 63, 32) > > > SO, what is going on? What is different about the FreeBSD ISO that > prevents it from creating a bootable DVD, > > > I have tried this on A CentOS-8 linus host and a Windows7Pro host and > cannot obtain a bootable DVD. I can create bootable DVD from the > CentOS ISO on both. > > I use this command cdrecord -v -eject -sao -overburn FreeBSD-11.0-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso To get this command issue "pkg install cdrtools" . From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 20 18:32:43 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B89D14FBD for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 18:32:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F201917 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 18:32:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id AD60FCB8CA0; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:32:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:32:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <58649.128.135.52.6.1490034756.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <58D01D4A.9070301@gmail.com> References: <047ac23fa90555e1aa298171e6b7d9ad.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <58D01D4A.9070301@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:32:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Unable to create bootable dvd From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 18:32:43 -0000 On Mon, March 20, 2017 1:19 pm, Ernie Luzar wrote: > James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: >> I have downloaded FreeBSD-11.0-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso. >> >> I have verified the sha512 hash: >> FreeBSD-11.0-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso: OK >> >> I have checked that the ISO is bootable: >> file /var/data/disk_images/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-11.0-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso >> >> /var/data/disk_images/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-11.0-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso: ISO >> 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data '11_0_RELEASE_P1_AMD64_DVD' (bootable) >> >> However, no matter what technique I use I cannot obtain a bootable DVD >> from this image, or any other FreeBSD provided ISO file either. >> >> growisofs -speed=1 -dvd-compat -Z >> /dev/sr0=/var/data/disk_images/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-11.0-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso My hunch is: option "-dvd-compat" screws things up making it not bootable. That option is only relevant to creation of video DVD ROMs (main goal of it is re-arrange the track so that table of contents files are the first onces along the track - which is necessary in stand alone DVD players). I do use this command all the time to burn bootable media (FreeBSD, CentOS, Debian, Ubuntu...) and all of them work well for me. I do not use "-speed" option, but it shouldn't matter, and using slowest speed as you specify may help getting best possible quality of burn result. Anyway, here is command line from my command history: growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=/data/system-media/debian-8.6.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso I hope, this helps. Valeri >> fdisk -l /dev/sr0 >> . . . a long long time - >> fdisk -l /dev/sr0 >> Note: sector size is 2048 (not 512) >> >> Disk /dev/sr0: 2930 MB, 2930409472 bytes >> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 89 cylinders >> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 2048 = 32901120 bytes >> Sector size (logical/physical): 2048 bytes / 2048 bytes >> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 2048 bytes / 2048 bytes >> Disk identifier: 0x00000000 >> >> Now, to verify the software and dvd drive that I am using for this I >> created a dvd from a CentOS-6.7 image. This works fine. >> >> fdisk -l /dev/sr0 >> Note: sector size is 2048 (not 512) >> >> Disk /dev/sr0: 1991 MB, 1991245824 bytes >> 64 heads, 32 sectors/track, 474 cylinders >> Units = cylinders of 2048 * 2048 = 4194304 bytes >> Sector size (logical/physical): 2048 bytes / 2048 bytes >> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 2048 bytes / 2048 bytes >> Disk identifier: 0x75c649ae >> >> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System >> /dev/sr0p1 * 1 1899 7778304 17 Hidden >> HPFS/NTFS >> Partition 1 has different physical/logical endings: >> phys=(1023, 63, 32) logical=(1898, 63, 32) >> >> >> SO, what is going on? What is different about the FreeBSD ISO that >> prevents it from creating a bootable DVD, >> >> >> I have tried this on A CentOS-8 linus host and a Windows7Pro host and >> cannot obtain a bootable DVD. I can create bootable DVD from the >> CentOS ISO on both. >> >> > > > I use this command > cdrecord -v -eject -sao -overburn FreeBSD-11.0-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso > > To get this command issue "pkg install cdrtools" > > . > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 20 23:12:02 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79474D154E5 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 23:12:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hunter.t.joz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk0-x22c.google.com (mail-vk0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36D45185 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 23:12:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hunter.t.joz@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id x75so78488554vke.2 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 16:12:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=hDX1KAhDRrK+5xvrmUic+51mBjpXOatoIOkGML3ilLQ=; b=qhonFnUwmaOrDN10rLu36QQRcb8H+GhWnGpDtTjxCR40xbAy9+dVy2oUw6DQCM8cbb tp+V1wWy9jUt6oq6T0iZaBwUNJrZCMrlqo8yGiHtJ5o3Bo827AXm06zLQpb3fbrt2f0q n2pm5hqsIvjVRCn6ejfl59YDmmLfthtX6hdiiOcffYNZTQJcPLmnWm7ihcKk4Uz7gQr1 39GTTqKY5hrV/TFlakFeUw9tYPxbWLqMIMHiRZMxitbX6oGiyeq9ylng7fxi4yrEe+/0 fIamiqo8QHIHv/nj970KXn1DNK56KjhCT98oy0BqLtZEFJl64/p/X9zVDckv/dyPabr1 3FDQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=hDX1KAhDRrK+5xvrmUic+51mBjpXOatoIOkGML3ilLQ=; b=msYi/ONrJ8SShOUIQ2PH+1w8n0tf4bnLVigb1CAlnTrN784TJJ4UKvT5+1C8vYRQ8e NS+GjsFcBz9EDDywg7Ye+MWjTRNbzOpyE/sx83Q0NCw2W7QLQcAu7j1SK+viC5mASNIf 2jHNynrXPObS5zTCAvx1stJOQoZgqj1CsQ4b6B/geeuPotHj0GGCnk2NkAPa68MdRI1z nMY/3Pr7tYkEI6jHEvnmv1xYhZ1ZkMHeotj3f2nOFbCjCdgus8/W5FWIxQqLIjW8pzwu XW7mdeXZ37ysUca6hoV5VqRQJptbl8Q21Si9CuRVUmf836MB11x9Z6u9u8lEihBG+8DB ctog== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H3/mMK3FCfIrTpQa9vIUd3YD0cof4eMsCvQoKBCjxmR6yuRm1weoW1Ah25j/CEcyFpmS0SDiAvhlutFgA== X-Received: by 10.31.152.17 with SMTP id a17mr11810476vke.97.1490051521160; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 16:12:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.82.250 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 16:12:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Hunter Jozwiak Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 19:12:00 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Installing a FreeBSD from Scratch From a Linux Box? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 23:12:02 -0000 Hi, I am curious as to whether or not this is actually possible. The idea is to install FreeBSD from scratch using a Linux live disc akin to how one would install Gentoo. That means that I would create the filesystems, mount them on partitions, download and build the sources, chroot in, and do configuration that way. The main reason is that since there is no talking live installer for the visually impaired, it would be difficult to get an install going without sighted assistance. Any thoughts/ideas are welcome. Hunter From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 21 00:07:10 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF9FD11360 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 00:07:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dump@gmx.com.br) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D3F71C0B for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 00:07:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dump@gmx.com.br) Received: from localhost ([177.192.249.66]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001 [212.227.17.184]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M6BKc-1bxkIJ2lXm-00y75k for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 01:07:02 +0100 From: Dump Mail Address To: Subject: Re: Installing a FreeBSD from Scratch From a Linux =?iso-8859-1?Q?Box=3F?= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 21:08:03 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <44a10e6d-d069-4182-ae4b-2c53b2a8a73a@gmx.com.br> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Trojita Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:I5krxI9n9HNE2SR4Vr5tZ5IDPF2LVrHHFjHL0FrmygWxYGpmEWl 2z5cafWSZ1WQPBJNkLSRLkgah2Fiohqn1EMdxkPAtKQkKRP+Zj7SjJoT/fIWcunO6be/t7z PfdIx4iUD2rjvwl4CFwhCwqIfYCBh95oQ6ms/miy4yVFI/WeOE7brXJ1HfuEMMkECjX6FJ/ 6/TFo6Go1klpD5pD8mcuA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:ChN/ltL8/ig=:Du27FfrHtn+gfDJiP9bdrv zgkvTC+upygGznJO9PtvCF3nlP5V/fHyBxdaZI3EOfajAOf9N4QM53VFlt0VgzURE2AZMf2MJ WVyJFHtaac00Ssmxow8shnmxUs5azM+y9Mmff4rwOHbP/7iC3Z3sffnXV+pbxxJwLGs+PYawl a1+cus9W7h9o1l6QLXZCpnvDrnG6vIojCKFYHwQ3oPi7yFTHz6mKNbQ94pZmeibHpGFP+lrpU 6fGzZCOyPP6ZOyBDaDCU5Qna0+neQmbOBQgS1Ba12FlmOoLvDOjePoZcOgEVCED9wh4OP4D+Y AlmDvbM+bt77+JVbdSQ4MEuRW4ZkHC5ZhZ13SkC7lUgAhI4nzOGdun5Bi4xHHs8rjEMCCwMrN SkTPWqiXozkjR1xqON8j+Vgy5/9NinYzikm9bLhinmUWa9wpBqs/BsGBAAsrrJbvzjpz2UUUU WsNiJhSPtXreCJnPVCYr5RovjWUCBhmPbyU117ZDs9vKvDg4Ev+wF5VHKZKsEVkgTh2ViDjPL Spl52H1FQ7MqVNKZbrStBW2JN8HLfth0w90I/UZtVdr7M0frqaA72a1LFezhCC//xzVht3jjz TTZAC4ht6is8IhZjpIct/RJj7MN1iZUhFPOGIHVCpl8+naNCci6q1vv0Rozm99VOBJN6y4J4O 6itBrXM0r91vh6R3GvOF44xAsBR9BrDHEPfHgSMEgMufRHwDC31dxHdbh/o8kKfvj84KEJbuP K6oaI0jwPyvF9aWnHWQ4zvuY8jUc4TCGCJlq0tiQnhu74UfThly+J4QCwj2yRQA2lwrZcrEtS Kvk3xB9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 00:07:10 -0000 I do not know if it would be possible to do using a Linux media. However,=20 even if it is possible it certainly would be overly complicated, and does=20 not make any sense. If you somehow cannot use the default FreeBSD installer, you can instead=20 just enter in the shell, and do the process manually using the same media. The only assistance you would need from a thirdy party would be to make the=20= choice of the shell instead of the installer. However there are just three=20= options, and you could indeed find the righ one (shell) by trial and error. Best regards. LBdM. On Monday, March 20, 2017 8:12:00 PM BRT, Hunter Jozwiak wrote: > Hi, > > I am curious as to whether or not this is actually possible. The idea > is to install FreeBSD from scratch using a Linux live disc akin to how > one would install Gentoo. That means that I would create the > filesystems, mount them on partitions, download and build the sources, > chroot in, and do configuration that way. The main reason is that > since there is no talking live installer for the visually impaired, it > would be difficult to get an install going without sighted assistance. > Any thoughts/ideas are welcome. > > Hunter From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 21 08:45:26 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4D7D0A1FD for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:45:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no", Issuer "Fagskolen i Gj??vik" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7856531E for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:45:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id v2L8j6Me049826 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:45:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id v2L8j5p5049823; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:45:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:45:05 +0100 (CET) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: Ernie Luzar cc: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: command line history broken in 11.0 In-Reply-To: <58D019EE.9030508@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <58D019EE.9030508@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mail.fig.ol.no Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:45:26 -0000 On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:05-0400, Ernie Luzar wrote: > On 10.3 I had the current session saving the command line history when issuing > the shutdown, halt, and reboot command by using these alias commands that I > added to the .cshrc file of my logged in user account. > > alias sd "exit && shutdown now" > alias sdp "exit && shutdown -p now" > alias rboot "exit && reboot" > alias stop "exit && halt" > > Now after doing a clean install of 11.0 and using the same .cshrc file the > rboot and stop alias commands no longer save the current history. They act > like the exit command is not getting executed. The sd and sdp alias commands > are working as expected. > > When existing from a session terminal by issuing the exit command does still > save the current history. > > Is there an alternate method I can use? Wouldn't it be more practical to reverse your aliases and change the conjunctions to unconditional sequences? alias sd "shutdown now; exit" alias sdp "shutdown -p now; exit" alias rboot "reboot; exit" alias stop "halt; exit" > Here is my .cshrc file > > alias sd "exit && shutdown now" > alias sdp "exit && shutdown -p now" > alias rboot "exit && reboot" > alias stop "exit && halt" > > > > # A righteous umask > umask 22 > > set path = (/sbin /bin /usr/sbin /usr/bin /usr/local/sbin /usr/local/bin > $HOME/bin) > > setenv EDITOR ee > setenv PAGER more > setenv BLOCKSIZE K > > if ($?prompt) then > # An interactive shell -- set some stuff up > set prompt = "%/ >" > set filec > set history = 100 > set savehist = (100 merge) > set histdup = erase > set autolist = ambiguous > # Use history to aid expansion > set autoexpand > set autorehash > set mail = (/var/mail/$USER) > if ( $?tcsh ) then > bindkey "^W" backward-delete-word > bindkey -k up history-search-backward > bindkey -k down history-search-forward > endif > endif -- +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Vennlig hilsen, | Best regards, | | Trond Endrestøl, | Trond Endrestøl, | | IT-ansvarlig, | System administrator, | | Fagskolen Innlandet, | Gjøvik Technical College, Norway, | | tlf. mob. 952 62 567, | Cellular...: +47 952 62 567, | | sentralbord 61 14 54 00. | Switchboard: +47 61 14 54 00. | +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 21 08:54:12 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D598D0A775 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:54:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dch@skunkwerks.at) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 526BDC6E for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:54:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dch@skunkwerks.at) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB3920D05 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 04:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web6 ([10.202.2.216]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 21 Mar 2017 04:54:10 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=skunkwerks.at; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=44aywAD/LLeSTkOu/ineidQiF4 uPYWHSbNdaqkJRjDY=; b=ULlszULXhqiWgh/AwsOG1oZqbRyWHE3h7E3c/Ryfri hgpRjE3q/LwSw0nsUmgRSCVeg2ZTr271pPz67nGs3680eztJM/ny556vUUvDRS2x ve7pwruWKMQtO4pyA1FL1ldkAtxQf60WC35wH8rEedElh/IbX+f77rCyp3sa44QA U= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=44aywA D/LLeSTkOu/ineidQiF4uPYWHSbNdaqkJRjDY=; b=rQ/4qD9jJSClDPFamPz0z8 dvvPCwbUss+fm06zwEFu7VOKBjtzrFmCrF2r0EQt7/+oJn4zGziZjGLionmRGD5K U8DuT7yfhgrUHLRWiftaKlnlP9VkVMio6W1IUgALBE7IYTdKyL/Ej7Qvj38BCQzc YNfWnm+mLmb4ZvyhY2bc4Y6kzaULhEQ7aO9EjIW17n+H4ME0dl0G/Luh9YcdbG8f J9RRt7p9q5sramBZcx0uRb3drDmKFHykNxZfcJKshFHUGq/TOe3lBBaNoZSbxphq 9NRT4KJ8EykgwxTZCwqpO3S4sZ+eSSlSnLQ3SpTH+ybotOf03T2xtlB+63doJ2qQ == X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id A021D48007; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 04:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1490086450.354505.918173416.7898F43D@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Dave Cottlehuber To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-aac97429 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:54:10 +0100 References: Subject: Re: Installing a FreeBSD from Scratch From a Linux Box? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:54:12 -0000 On Tue, 21 Mar 2017, at 00:12, Hunter Jozwiak wrote: > Hi, > > I am curious as to whether or not this is actually possible. The idea > is to install FreeBSD from scratch using a Linux live disc akin to how > one would install Gentoo. That means that I would create the > filesystems, mount them on partitions, download and build the sources, > chroot in, and do configuration that way. The main reason is that > since there is no talking live installer for the visually impaired, it > would be difficult to get an install going without sighted assistance. > Any thoughts/ideas are welcome. > > Hunter What about this approach? - make a usb stick or CD of mfsbsd http://mfsbsd.vx.sk/ - boot the computer from that - from another computer that has "talk functionality" available, connect via ssh to mfsbsd - run mfsbsd inbuilt zfsinstall from this terminal session While I've not tried it recently, I believe its also possible to run the FreeBSD installer from within mfsbsd too, so this would give a partially sighted person the ability to use the normal installer via a supported speaking terminal. I have no idea whether curses style applications work in this scenario, maybe you can share some experiences with that. IIRC one needs to download the .txz files to /usr/freebsd-dist/ and also the MANIFEST file from an ftp mirror, then run bsdinstall. A+ Dave From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 21 09:29:11 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A63AD14EAC for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:29:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com", Issuer "dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6AAA2F0C for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:29:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from [74.134.208.22] ([74.134.208.22:65041] helo=localhost) by dnvrco-omsmta03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTP id E3/D0-25473-062F0D85; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:29:04 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:26:57 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org CC: Hunter Jozwiak Subject: Re: Installing a FreeBSD from Scratch From a Linux Box? References: X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.64.88:25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:29:11 -0000 from Hunter Jozwiak: > I am curious as to whether or not this is actually possible. The idea > is to install FreeBSD from scratch using a Linux live disc akin to how > one would install Gentoo. That means that I would create the > filesystems, mount them on partitions, download and build the sources, > chroot in, and do configuration that way. The main reason is that > since there is no talking live installer for the visually impaired, it > would be difficult to get an install going without sighted assistance. > Any thoughts/ideas are welcome. > Hunter This looks like the reverse of Cross Linux from Scratch, where you might build Linux from FreeBSD, NetBSD or other non-Linux OS. One problem is how to write to a FreeBSD UFS file system from Linux, which as far as I know can read but not write UFS 1 or 2. Build an installation .iso or USB-stick image? But some people have cross-compiled NetBSD from Linux, despite the same filesystem issue. I have cross-compiled NetBSD from FreeBSD, but am not sure if that can be done the other way around. I believe cross-compiling FreeBSD from another OS is officially unsupported; this is also true for OpenBSD and OpenIndiana. There are some things you could possibly try, build the toolchain first, but you're essentially on your own in uncharted territory. There is a NetBSD guide on cross-compiling NetBSD from another OS, this might possibly be adapted to cross-compiling FreeBSD, but I never tried that and make no promises. This is without regard to being visually impaired, which would complicate the issue more. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 21 12:06:22 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19BBD14025 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 12:06:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay11.qsc.de (mailrelay11.qsc.de [212.99.187.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2947D1EF1 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 12:06:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay11.qsc.de; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 13:06:12 +0100 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-127-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.127.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F07253CC42; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 13:06:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v2LC6Bxh002316; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 13:06:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 13:06:11 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Hunter Jozwiak Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing a FreeBSD from Scratch From a Linux Box? Message-Id: <20170321130611.0ea2009a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay11.qsc.de with 39B906A3570 X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.2441 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 12:06:22 -0000 On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 19:12:00 -0400, Hunter Jozwiak wrote: > Hi, > > I am curious as to whether or not this is actually possible. The idea > is to install FreeBSD from scratch using a Linux live disc akin to how > one would install Gentoo. That part already looks too complicated. Why boot with a Linux CD when you can boot with a FreeBSD CD? Keep in mind: your goal is to install FreeBSD, and the FreeBSD CD can do exactly that. There is no need to "prepare" anything which might "require" Linux. > That means that I would create the > filesystems, mount them on partitions, download and build the sources, > chroot in, and do configuration that way. But _why_ would you want to do it so complicated? It sounds possible, yes, but Linux's support for FreeBSD file systems (UFS) is not native, so you'd first have to make sure the Linux you want to boot does actually _support_ all the required cases. And if you want to use classic MBR layout (FreeBSD old: fdisk + disklabel, new: gpart, both followed by newfs), the real fun will start. ;-) And we're not done yet. Now you need a compiler that will build the FreeBSD sources correctly. The whole toolchain for the build system that is included with FreeBSD would have to be replicated with Linux. That again is lots of hard work. This work mainly takes place in Linux to make it a build system for FreeBSD... If you want to explicitely install from source (and _not_ install from precompiled binary packages as the installer does), how about the following approach: Prepare a FreeBSD USB stick with the sources on it. Boot it and build the sources there. It will be slow, but you only need to do it once (except you build somewhere else with HDD / SSD and then transfer the results, the /usr/src and /usr/obj subtrees); when booted, first initialize the target system with FreeBSD's native tools (as mentioned above), then "make installworld installkernel" as described in the handbook and in /usr/src/Makefile's comment header. You could then chroot into the target system and do the desired configuration tasks, and finally boot _that_ system. > The main reason is that > since there is no talking live installer for the visually impaired, it > would be difficult to get an install going without sighted assistance. The installer works in text mode. Do you have a Braille readout you can use? They usually support everything that works in 80x25 text mode, some provide a tactile interface, others have speech synthesis as an option. So you don't need it in software... And: Yes, that is a _very_ valid reason and consideration! People with impairments are often forgotten by programmers, and ripped off by commercial software vendors. Linux offers some solutions to that problem - but as I said, Linux isn't exactly a build system for FreeBSD... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[65.25.52.33]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id d42sm10105858ioj.61.2017.03.21.06.56.08 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 21 Mar 2017 06:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <58D1310E.6050000@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:56:30 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= CC: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: command line history broken in 11.0 References: <58D019EE.9030508@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 13:56:10 -0000 Trond Endrestøl wrote: > On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:05-0400, Ernie Luzar wrote: > >> On 10.3 I had the current session saving the command line history when issuing >> the shutdown, halt, and reboot command by using these alias commands that I >> added to the .cshrc file of my logged in user account. >> >> alias sd "exit && shutdown now" >> alias sdp "exit && shutdown -p now" >> alias rboot "exit && reboot" >> alias stop "exit && halt" >> >> Now after doing a clean install of 11.0 and using the same .cshrc file the >> rboot and stop alias commands no longer save the current history. They act >> like the exit command is not getting executed. The sd and sdp alias commands >> are working as expected. >> >> When existing from a session terminal by issuing the exit command does still >> save the current history. >> >> Is there an alternate method I can use? >> Here is my .cshrc file >> >> alias sd "exit && shutdown now" >> alias sdp "exit && shutdown -p now" >> alias rboot "exit && reboot" >> alias stop "exit && halt" >> >> >> >> # A righteous umask >> umask 22 >> >> set path = (/sbin /bin /usr/sbin /usr/bin /usr/local/sbin /usr/local/bin >> $HOME/bin) >> >> setenv EDITOR ee >> setenv PAGER more >> setenv BLOCKSIZE K >> >> if ($?prompt) then >> # An interactive shell -- set some stuff up >> set prompt = "%/ >" >> set filec >> set history = 100 >> set savehist = (100 merge) >> set histdup = erase >> set autolist = ambiguous >> # Use history to aid expansion >> set autoexpand >> set autorehash >> set mail = (/var/mail/$USER) >> if ( $?tcsh ) then >> bindkey "^W" backward-delete-word >> bindkey -k up history-search-backward >> bindkey -k down history-search-forward >> endif >> endif > > > Wouldn't it be more practical to reverse your aliases and change the > conjunctions to unconditional sequences? > > alias sd "shutdown now; exit" > alias sdp "shutdown -p now; exit" > alias rboot "reboot; exit" > alias stop "halt; exit" > Tested your suggestion and it had no effect on the problem. I also tried this variation alias rboot "exit && sleep 5 && reboot" and it also had no effect on the problem. Does anyone know if reboot/halt had any changes between 10.3 and 11.0? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 21 14:31:43 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16EED169B2 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 14:31:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.home.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org", Issuer "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AC24AF7 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 14:31:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.home.qeng-ho.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v2LEVYoC035037; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 14:31:34 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Subject: Re: command line history broken in 11.0 To: Ernie Luzar , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <58D019EE.9030508@gmail.com> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 14:31:34 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <58D019EE.9030508@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 14:31:43 -0000 On 20/03/2017 18:05, Ernie Luzar wrote: > On 10.3 I had the current session saving the command line history when > issuing the shutdown, halt, and reboot command by using these alias > commands that I added to the .cshrc file of my logged in user account. > > alias sd "exit && shutdown now" > alias sdp "exit && shutdown -p now" > alias rboot "exit && reboot" > alias stop "exit && halt" > > Now after doing a clean install of 11.0 and using the same .cshrc file > the rboot and stop alias commands no longer save the current history. > They act like the exit command is not getting executed. The sd and sdp > alias commands are working as expected. > > When existing from a session terminal by issuing the exit command does > still save the current history. > > Is there an alternate method I can use? > To the best of my understanding, reboot and halt should really only be used in single user mode, because they don't cleanly close down running programs - they're more like pulling the power plug after a couple of syncs. That's been the case for a long time now. Is there any reason for you not to use shutdown exclusively? The -p and -r modifiers give you power off and reboot abilities, and daemons get cleanly shut down, which may save you from a broken database one day. -- By June 1949, people had begun to realize that it was not so easy to get a program right as had at one time appeared. It was on one of my journeys between the EDSAC room and the punching equipment that the realization came over me with full force that a good part of the remainder of my life was going to be spent in finding errors in my own programs. -- Maurice Wilkes From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 21 14:48:25 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8B3D16F1A for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 14:48:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no", Issuer "Fagskolen i Gj??vik" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90B101337 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 14:48:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id v2LEmI59051792 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 21 Mar 2017 15:48:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id v2LEmIYw051789; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 15:48:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 15:48:18 +0100 (CET) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: Ernie Luzar cc: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: command line history broken in 11.0 In-Reply-To: <58D1310E.6050000@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <58D019EE.9030508@gmail.com> <58D1310E.6050000@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mail.fig.ol.no Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 14:48:26 -0000 On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:56-0400, Ernie Luzar wrote: > Trond Endrestøl wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:05-0400, Ernie Luzar wrote: > > > > > On 10.3 I had the current session saving the command line history when > > > issuing > > > the shutdown, halt, and reboot command by using these alias commands that > > > I > > > added to the .cshrc file of my logged in user account. > > > > > > alias sd "exit && shutdown now" > > > alias sdp "exit && shutdown -p now" > > > alias rboot "exit && reboot" > > > alias stop "exit && halt" > > > > > > Now after doing a clean install of 11.0 and using the same .cshrc file the > > > rboot and stop alias commands no longer save the current history. They act > > > like the exit command is not getting executed. The sd and sdp alias > > > commands > > > are working as expected. > > > > > > When existing from a session terminal by issuing the exit command does > > > still > > > save the current history. > > > > > > Is there an alternate method I can use? > > > Here is my .cshrc file > > > > > > alias sd "exit && shutdown now" > > > alias sdp "exit && shutdown -p now" > > > alias rboot "exit && reboot" > > > alias stop "exit && halt" > > > > > > > > > > > > # A righteous umask > > > umask 22 > > > > > > set path = (/sbin /bin /usr/sbin /usr/bin /usr/local/sbin /usr/local/bin > > > $HOME/bin) > > > > > > setenv EDITOR ee > > > setenv PAGER more > > > setenv BLOCKSIZE K > > > > > > if ($?prompt) then > > > # An interactive shell -- set some stuff up > > > set prompt = "%/ >" > > > set filec > > > set history = 100 > > > set savehist = (100 merge) > > > set histdup = erase > > > set autolist = ambiguous > > > # Use history to aid expansion > > > set autoexpand > > > set autorehash > > > set mail = (/var/mail/$USER) > > > if ( $?tcsh ) then > > > bindkey "^W" backward-delete-word > > > bindkey -k up history-search-backward > > > bindkey -k down history-search-forward > > > endif > > > endif > > > > > > Wouldn't it be more practical to reverse your aliases and change the > > conjunctions to unconditional sequences? > > > > alias sd "shutdown now; exit" > > alias sdp "shutdown -p now; exit" > > alias rboot "reboot; exit" > > alias stop "halt; exit" > > > > Tested your suggestion and it had no effect on the problem. > > I also tried this variation > alias rboot "exit && sleep 5 && reboot" > and it also had no effect on the problem. > > Does anyone know if reboot/halt had any changes between 10.3 and 11.0? Running a command like this one in csh has always had the desired effect: shutdown -r now Upgrade to base/stable/11 r315683. ; exit I usually just type in the first initial characters, like "shu", hit the up arrow key one or more times, edit the command if needed, read the entire command one more time, and hit the enter key. -- +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Vennlig hilsen, | Best regards, | | Trond Endrestøl, | Trond Endrestøl, | | IT-ansvarlig, | System administrator, | | Fagskolen Innlandet, | Gjøvik Technical College, Norway, | | tlf. mob. 952 62 567, | Cellular...: +47 952 62 567, | | sentralbord 61 14 54 00. | Switchboard: +47 61 14 54 00. | +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 21 15:03:55 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728F5D165BA for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 15:03:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@str.komkon.org) Received: from tissa.komkon.org (tissa.komkon.org [52.5.170.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "komkon.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3EF1D1CAF for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 15:03:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@str.komkon.org) Received: from auth (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tissa.komkon.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v2LEvhue016182 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:57:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from freebsd@str.komkon.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=str.komkon.org; s=mail; t=1490108263; bh=nKHluR3h3Z+4nQ4NpWIWuSxTHCNF9W074gC4K1zaBSQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject; b=fuXimM15WVBXnagdbpqJpr8y/x2ZBVNBUaljvjsJodCxoz2I4xO4NI3ZZ+0h+Rtvr xZaAjqnjhR4dBM5WXGTP0iYht4tsv66D7+HntUhoffPcblzGm5N81H3BFI3iFKfKqg 36vwwOzLxf+s8a5CLsvjPlXv2Xl7mtTVVnWlJj6c= Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:57:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Igor R." To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: multiple nameservers in resolvconf.conf Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at tissa.komkon.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 15:03:55 -0000 There are the following options in resolvconf.conf: https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=resolvconf.conf&sektion=5 append_nameservers and prepend_nameservers Even though the option has "nameservers" in plural, I could not find any example anywhere on the net that would indicate multiple values for these two options. How can one specify multiple servers in either of them? I've tried append_nameservers=127.0.0.1, 192.168.15.2 append_nameservers=127.0.0.1,192.168.15.2 append_nameservers=127.0.0.1 192.168.15.2 append_nameservers=127.0.0.1; 192.168.15.2 as well as specifying them on separate lines: append_nameservers=127.0.0.1 append_nameservers=192.168.15.2 These different version yield 3 different outcomes, but none of them produces resolv.conf (upon running resolvconf -u) with both servers in there. (Not that it matters, but there is an active information from dhcp server/client. Tested on 10.* system.) Thank you in adavnce, Igor From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 21 15:19:58 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD49AD168C7 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 15:19:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay12.qsc.de (mailrelay12.qsc.de [212.99.163.153]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 279653D7 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 15:19:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay12.qsc.de; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:19:49 +0100 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-127-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.127.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86D3D3CBF9; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:19:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v2LFJllw002153; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:19:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:19:47 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Arthur Chance Cc: Ernie Luzar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: command line history broken in 11.0 Message-Id: <20170321161947.f34a308d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <58D019EE.9030508@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay12.qsc.de with C73246A4CDE X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.2080 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 15:19:58 -0000 On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 14:31:34 +0000, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 20/03/2017 18:05, Ernie Luzar wrote: > > On 10.3 I had the current session saving the command line history when > > issuing the shutdown, halt, and reboot command by using these alias > > commands that I added to the .cshrc file of my logged in user account. > > > > alias sd "exit && shutdown now" > > alias sdp "exit && shutdown -p now" > > alias rboot "exit && reboot" > > alias stop "exit && halt" > > > > Now after doing a clean install of 11.0 and using the same .cshrc file > > the rboot and stop alias commands no longer save the current history. > > They act like the exit command is not getting executed. The sd and sdp > > alias commands are working as expected. > > > > When existing from a session terminal by issuing the exit command does > > still save the current history. > > > > Is there an alternate method I can use? > > > > To the best of my understanding, reboot and halt should really only be > used in single user mode, because they don't cleanly close down running > programs - they're more like pulling the power plug after a couple of > syncs. That's been the case for a long time now. Basically, "reboot" is equivalent to "shutdown -r now", just as "halt" is to "shutdown -h now". Both things do the same. >From "man reboot": The halt and reboot utilities flush the file system cache to disk, send all running processes a SIGTERM (and subsequently a SIGKILL) and, respec- tively, halt or restart the system. The action is logged, including entering a shutdown record into the wtmp(5) file. This is what shutdown does as well. But see "man shutdown", especially option -o, for differences related to calling init. Both variations should be fully safe to use from multi user mode. The manpages don't say otherwise... > Is there any reason for you not to use shutdown exclusively? The -p and > -r modifiers give you power off and reboot abilities, and daemons get > cleanly shut down, which may save you from a broken database one day. Note: -p = power off, -h = halt (does _not_ power off); "halt -p" and "shutdown -p now" perform the same task (shut down, then power off), while "halt" and "shutdown -h now" keep the system powered on after shutting down. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 21 15:28:37 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D5ED16B9E for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 15:28:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B99AE5 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 15:28:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 80FA4CB8CA1; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:28:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:28:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <64898.128.135.52.6.1490110116.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: References: <58D019EE.9030508@gmail.com> <58D1310E.6050000@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:28:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: command line history broken in 11.0 From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: Trond =?iso-8859-1?Q?Endrest=F8l?= Cc: "Ernie Luzar" , "FreeBSD questions" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 15:28:37 -0000 On Tue, March 21, 2017 9:48 am, Trond Endrestøl wrote: > On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:56-0400, Ernie Luzar wrote: > > Running a command like this one in csh has always had the desired > effect: > > shutdown -r now Upgrade to base/stable/11 r315683. ; exit > > I usually just type in the first initial characters, like "shu", hit > the up arrow key one or more times, edit the command if needed, read > the entire command one more time, and hit the enter key. During rather long sysadmin life I learn to never do anything like that. I even can point to some examples when doing things differently screwed up fellow sysadmin (luckily that was another guy in all cases): 1. You want to execute the command and _know_ that you executed right command: _type_ the whole path to the command beginning from leading slash, e.g.: /usr/bin/su One day you will be in unusual environment, not doing so, e.g., just executing su may screw you up. This way smart students caught my older sysadmin mate: they asked him to help them with something from their account, and one of the super user commands he predictably executed was script with the same name they placed in their PATH, that piped what they needed into actual command. Bingo, they owned him. 2. Never use my own history, to execute same or similar command. You may accidentally execute next that command in history (if keyboard/ screen is slow...) Recipe for big screw up, hence bad habit. 3. Never edit different command from history. Similar recipe for screw up, psychology is such that often it is "wishful reading" - you see what you expect/want to see instead of similar yet different thing. Typing the whole command with all options forces your brain work though it thus you will be doing what you actually want to do. I know this is digression from the thread, my apologies for that. But I'd love to hear what others may add in the same lines of good sysadmin's habits. Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 21 16:17:38 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D6ED16F98 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:17:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD6801BFB for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:17:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id BBD01CB8C99; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:17:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:17:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19840.128.135.52.6.1490113056.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:17:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Unable to create bootable dvd From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:17:38 -0000 On Tue, March 21, 2017 11:04 am, James B. Byrne wrote: > On Mon, March 20, 2017 14:32, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> My hunch is: option "-dvd-compat" screws things up making it not > bootable. >> That option is only relevant to creation of video DVD ROMs >> (main goal of it is re-arrange the track so that table of >> contents files are the first onces along the track - which >> is necessary in stand alone DVD players). >> I do use this command all the time to burn bootable media >> (FreeBSD, CentOS, Debian, Ubuntu...) and all of them work >> well for me. I do not use "-speed" option, but it shouldn't >> matter, and using slowest speed as you specify may help getting >> best possible quality of burn result. Anyway, >> here is command line from my command history: >> growisofs -Z >> /dev/dvd=/data/system-media/debian-8.6.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso >> I hope, this helps. >> Valeri > > I created multiple dvds, some with and some without -dvd-compat and > -speed=1. There was no apparent difference in effect. I had similar > problems with usb flash media. Funnily enough I had no problem with > either medium if I used FreeBSD-10.3 images. Aha, then I was wrong about -dvd-compat screwing it up when you burn image, not a collection of files... You learn something every day; thanks for sharing. Valeri > > The problem turned out to be UEFI. This was not enabled on the host > system I was attempting to install on; a re-purposed backup host > formerly running CentOS-6.8. Enabling this feature in BIOS (there is > a certain irony in this) allowed me to install FreeBSD-11.0 from the > usb flash drive. > > This change also allowed the system to detect and initialise from > optical media as well but the boot process never completes. I see > this sort of stuff instead: > > Consoles: EFI Console > Command line arguments: loader.efi > Image base: 0x2235000 > EFI version: 2.00 > EFI Firmware: American Megatrends (rev 4.631) > > FreeBSD/amd64 EFI loader, Revision 1.1 > (root@releng2.nyi.freebsd.org, Thu Sep 29 01:38:06 UTC 2016) > efipart_readwrite: rw=1, status=9223372036854775815 > efipart_readwrite: rw=1, status=9223372036854775815 > can't open '/boot/loader.4th': no such file or directory > 50 > efipart_readwrite: rw=1, status=9223372036854775815 > efipart_readwrite: rw=1, status=9223372036854775815 > / > /boot/kernel/kernel text=0x14ed860 data=0x132538+0x4baa68 > syms=[0x8+0x159ee8+0x8+0x172d9c] > Hit [enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. > Booting [/boot/kernel/kernel]]... > Start @ 0xffffffff802ff000 ... > EFI framebuffer information: > addr, size 0xc0000000, 0x1ff0000 > dimensions 800 x 600 > stride 800 > masks 0x00ff0000, 0x0000ff00, 0x000000ff, 0xff000000 > | > > at which point all activity ceases. Literally. One cannot even reboot > from the keyboard using ctrl-alt-del. > > I speculate that the firmware on the motherboard is likely out-of-date > and may be the source of the problem. In any case FreeBSD-11.0 has > been installed to the HDD by other means and boots from that without > problem. > > As this system is but a temporary replacement these difficulties turn > out to be annoyances rather than a concern. > > Regards, > > -- > *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** > Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail > Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail > > James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca > Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca > 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 > Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 > Canada L8E 3C3 > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 21 16:27:18 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89643D1642A for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:27:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.home.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org", Issuer "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13925389 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:27:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.home.qeng-ho.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v2LGRDx4035766; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:27:13 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Subject: Re: command line history broken in 11.0 To: Polytropon References: <58D019EE.9030508@gmail.com> <20170321161947.f34a308d.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:27:13 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170321161947.f34a308d.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:27:18 -0000 On 21/03/2017 15:19, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 14:31:34 +0000, Arthur Chance wrote: [snip] >> >> To the best of my understanding, reboot and halt should really only be >> used in single user mode, because they don't cleanly close down running >> programs - they're more like pulling the power plug after a couple of >> syncs. That's been the case for a long time now. > > Basically, "reboot" is equivalent to "shutdown -r now", just > as "halt" is to "shutdown -h now". Both things do the same. > From "man reboot": > > The halt and reboot utilities flush the file system cache to disk, send > all running processes a SIGTERM (and subsequently a SIGKILL) and, respec- > tively, halt or restart the system. The action is logged, including > entering a shutdown record into the wtmp(5) file. > > This is what shutdown does as well. But see "man shutdown", > especially option -o, for differences related to calling init. > > Both variations should be fully safe to use from multi user mode. > The manpages don't say otherwise... You're right, but I'm sure that at one point there was a difference. Either that, or I'm misremembering some other Unix like system. Given that over a period of 37 years I've worked with eleven Unix variants, many of them hacked about horribly by their vendors, and a couple of Linux distros, it's a wonder I can remember anything clearly. >> Is there any reason for you not to use shutdown exclusively? The -p and >> -r modifiers give you power off and reboot abilities, and daemons get >> cleanly shut down, which may save you from a broken database one day. > > Note: -p = power off, -h = halt (does _not_ power off); "halt -p" > and "shutdown -p now" perform the same task (shut down, then power > off), while "halt" and "shutdown -h now" keep the system powered > on after shutting down. -- By June 1949, people had begun to realize that it was not so easy to get a program right as had at one time appeared. It was on one of my journeys between the EDSAC room and the punching equipment that the realization came over me with full force that a good part of the remainder of my life was going to be spent in finding errors in my own programs. -- Maurice Wilkes From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 21 16:33:01 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88D12D16892 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:33:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1051CCED for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:32:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from testbox.news4all.se (testbox.usenet4all.se [10.0.0.3]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id v2LGVPxn002199; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:31:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Subject: Re: command line history broken in 11.0 To: Ernie Luzar , =?UTF-8?Q?Trond_Endrest=c3=b8l?= References: <58D019EE.9030508@gmail.com> <58D1310E.6050000@gmail.com> Cc: FreeBSD questions From: Bernt Hansson Message-ID: <657b8795-4f45-e468-8738-ae758081fb66@bananmonarki.se> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:31:25 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <58D1310E.6050000@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:33:01 -0000 On 2017-03-21 14:56, Ernie Luzar wrote: > Trond Endrestøl wrote: >> On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:05-0400, Ernie Luzar wrote: >> >> Wouldn't it be more practical to reverse your aliases and change the >> conjunctions to unconditional sequences? >> >> alias sd "shutdown now; exit" >> alias sdp "shutdown -p now; exit" >> alias rboot "reboot; exit" >> alias stop "halt; exit" >> > > Tested your suggestion and it had no effect on the problem. > > I also tried this variation > alias rboot "exit && sleep 5 && reboot" > and it also had no effect on the problem. > > Does anyone know if reboot/halt had any changes between 10.3 and 11.0? What is that exit stuff? I would have set it this way. alias rboot "shutdown -r now or time" Have not tried it and i have no cigar. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 21 16:38:43 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4157D16AAC for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:38:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay15.qsc.de (mailrelay15.qsc.de [212.99.187.254]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4791BF02 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:38:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay15.qsc.de; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:38:33 +0100 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-127-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.127.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE85D3CBF9; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:38:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v2LGcUG1002482; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:38:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:38:30 +0100 From: Polytropon To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu Cc: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unable to create bootable dvd Message-Id: <20170321173830.a98fe393.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <19840.128.135.52.6.1490113056.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <19840.128.135.52.6.1490113056.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay15.qsc.de with 3A68269FD57 X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.2039 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:38:44 -0000 On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:17:36 -0500 (CDT), Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > On Tue, March 21, 2017 11:04 am, James B. Byrne wrote: > > On Mon, March 20, 2017 14:32, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > >> My hunch is: option "-dvd-compat" screws things up making it not > > bootable. > >> That option is only relevant to creation of video DVD ROMs > >> (main goal of it is re-arrange the track so that table of > >> contents files are the first onces along the track - which > >> is necessary in stand alone DVD players). > >> I do use this command all the time to burn bootable media > >> (FreeBSD, CentOS, Debian, Ubuntu...) and all of them work > >> well for me. I do not use "-speed" option, but it shouldn't > >> matter, and using slowest speed as you specify may help getting > >> best possible quality of burn result. Anyway, > >> here is command line from my command history: > >> growisofs -Z > >> /dev/dvd=/data/system-media/debian-8.6.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso > >> I hope, this helps. > >> Valeri > > > > I created multiple dvds, some with and some without -dvd-compat and > > -speed=1. There was no apparent difference in effect. I had similar > > problems with usb flash media. Funnily enough I had no problem with > > either medium if I used FreeBSD-10.3 images. > > Aha, then I was wrong about -dvd-compat screwing it up when you burn > image, not a collection of files... You learn something every day; thanks > for sharing. I've been using -dvd-compat in combination with image files and never had a problem with booting (live system image ISOs). In "man growisofs", one of the examples explicitely reads: To use growisofs to write a pre-mastered ISO-image to a DVD: growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=image.iso So this seems to be the correct usage... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 21 16:53:14 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12227D1614A for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:53:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay13.qsc.de (mailrelay13.qsc.de [212.99.187.253]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79E4C1E05 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:53:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay13.qsc.de; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:53:05 +0100 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-127-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.127.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93FB03CC3F; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:53:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v2LGr1WA002523; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:53:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:53:01 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Bernt Hansson Cc: Ernie Luzar , Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Endrest=F8l?= , FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: command line history broken in 11.0 Message-Id: <20170321175301.3fb57948.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <657b8795-4f45-e468-8738-ae758081fb66@bananmonarki.se> References: <58D019EE.9030508@gmail.com> <58D1310E.6050000@gmail.com> <657b8795-4f45-e468-8738-ae758081fb66@bananmonarki.se> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay13.qsc.de with 6A2EC69F281 X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.2034 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:53:14 -0000 On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:31:25 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote: > On 2017-03-21 14:56, Ernie Luzar wrote: > > Trond Endrest=F8l wrote: > >> On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:05-0400, Ernie Luzar wrote: > >> > >> Wouldn't it be more practical to reverse your aliases and change the > >> conjunctions to unconditional sequences? > >> > >> alias sd "shutdown now; exit" > >> alias sdp "shutdown -p now; exit" > >> alias rboot "reboot; exit" > >> alias stop "halt; exit" > >> > > > > Tested your suggestion and it had no effect on the problem. > > > > I also tried this variation > > alias rboot "exit && sleep 5 && reboot" > > and it also had no effect on the problem. > > > > Does anyone know if reboot/halt had any changes between 10.3 and 11.0? >=20 > What is that exit stuff? It exits the shell, and when it has successfully (!) done that, then it waits 5 seconds and finally reboots. However, how does the shell do that if it has been exited? > I would have set it this way. >=20 > alias rboot "shutdown -r now or time" In my WindowMaker configuration, I have set the following command for system shutdown: xterm -class SHUTDOWN -fg black -bg red -e "shutdown -p now; read DUMMY" It is associated with the Ctrl+Alt+Moon key combination (Sun USB type 7 keyboard). For a reboot, a similar command could be used, just with -r instead of -p. --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 21 16:54:47 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A51D16288 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:54:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882491FE4 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:54:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 770C7CB8CA3; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:54:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:54:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <53458.128.135.52.6.1490115286.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20170321173830.a98fe393.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <19840.128.135.52.6.1490113056.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20170321173830.a98fe393.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:54:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Unable to create bootable dvd From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Polytropon" Cc: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu, byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:54:47 -0000 On Tue, March 21, 2017 11:38 am, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:17:36 -0500 (CDT), Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> >> On Tue, March 21, 2017 11:04 am, James B. Byrne wrote: >> > On Mon, March 20, 2017 14:32, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> >> My hunch is: option "-dvd-compat" screws things up making it not >> > bootable. >> >> That option is only relevant to creation of video DVD ROMs >> >> (main goal of it is re-arrange the track so that table of >> >> contents files are the first onces along the track - which >> >> is necessary in stand alone DVD players). >> >> I do use this command all the time to burn bootable media >> >> (FreeBSD, CentOS, Debian, Ubuntu...) and all of them work >> >> well for me. I do not use "-speed" option, but it shouldn't >> >> matter, and using slowest speed as you specify may help getting >> >> best possible quality of burn result. Anyway, >> >> here is command line from my command history: >> >> growisofs -Z >> >> /dev/dvd=/data/system-media/debian-8.6.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso >> >> I hope, this helps. >> >> Valeri >> > >> > I created multiple dvds, some with and some without -dvd-compat and >> > -speed=1. There was no apparent difference in effect. I had similar >> > problems with usb flash media. Funnily enough I had no problem with >> > either medium if I used FreeBSD-10.3 images. >> >> Aha, then I was wrong about -dvd-compat screwing it up when you burn >> image, not a collection of files... You learn something every day; >> thanks >> for sharing. > > I've been using -dvd-compat in combination with image files > and never had a problem with booting (live system image ISOs). > In "man growisofs", one of the examples explicitely reads: > > To use growisofs to write a pre-mastered ISO-image to a DVD: > > growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=image.iso > > So this seems to be the correct usage... > Right. Indeed, according to man page -dvd-compat just makes disk with maximum compatibility with DVD-ROM/Video disks (aka "pressed" DVDs). I have confused this option when I said "my hunch is..." with an option "-dvd-video" of mkisofs command. It is "mkisofs -dvd-video..." that re-arranges TOC files to have them be first in the created track (stream...) It's been a long time since I composed DVDs ;-( Valeri > > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 21 17:22:15 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80EA0D16E29 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:22:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 444B51276 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:22:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39C94621F7; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 12:04:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CHzq1UgCV3qD; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 12:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2C6C5620F5; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 12:04:41 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=harte-lyne.ca; s=dkim_hll; t=1490112281; bh=8+1BREje1jZeqgsq7CsnkQLDustgP0706xp14BGQW4I=; h=Date:Subject:From:To:Cc:Reply-To; b=eVxQB8WLlOEFlvZp3xKFTyz+QGvZlaFcWdN9RXP+JC7D3ERROJt8Z2kKkmKg1JjID fezCouAzOo0OoIv21O1uNAda43zyZVCB7+a324KhnzK0HIOz/l+92ixOlYIFGpbUG4 nucAg704GAw1JrbTcviWBINHiV4wnTl0wPUBxLCjvh/RlkIeKbLFJtewJjRx6BmNhp ti43eqP7sZqGizs/tlOTcZkW4++2C5giRpdERgKH03nAgdTB9gIZOBxcm1zKPYahhi W4Hr8fYMAokDBu7f79bvUIABa5WvcQalSE5ISpuncx8MTJ7lQYsR33Mx5q3bX1VmhE v331sRLq0baRA== Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 12:04:41 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 12:04:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Unable to create bootable dvd From: "James B. Byrne" To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-4.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:22:15 -0000 On Mon, March 20, 2017 14:32, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > My hunch is: option "-dvd-compat" screws things up making it not bootable. > That option is only relevant to creation of video DVD ROMs > (main goal of it is re-arrange the track so that table of > contents files are the first onces along the track - which > is necessary in stand alone DVD players). > I do use this command all the time to burn bootable media > (FreeBSD, CentOS, Debian, Ubuntu...) and all of them work > well for me. I do not use "-speed" option, but it shouldn't > matter, and using slowest speed as you specify may help getting > best possible quality of burn result. Anyway, > here is command line from my command history: > growisofs -Z > /dev/dvd=/data/system-media/debian-8.6.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso > I hope, this helps. > Valeri I created multiple dvds, some with and some without -dvd-compat and -speed=1. There was no apparent difference in effect. I had similar problems with usb flash media. Funnily enough I had no problem with either medium if I used FreeBSD-10.3 images. The problem turned out to be UEFI. This was not enabled on the host system I was attempting to install on; a re-purposed backup host formerly running CentOS-6.8. Enabling this feature in BIOS (there is a certain irony in this) allowed me to install FreeBSD-11.0 from the usb flash drive. This change also allowed the system to detect and initialise from optical media as well but the boot process never completes. I see this sort of stuff instead: Consoles: EFI Console Command line arguments: loader.efi Image base: 0x2235000 EFI version: 2.00 EFI Firmware: American Megatrends (rev 4.631) FreeBSD/amd64 EFI loader, Revision 1.1 (root@releng2.nyi.freebsd.org, Thu Sep 29 01:38:06 UTC 2016) efipart_readwrite: rw=1, status=9223372036854775815 efipart_readwrite: rw=1, status=9223372036854775815 can't open '/boot/loader.4th': no such file or directory 50 efipart_readwrite: rw=1, status=9223372036854775815 efipart_readwrite: rw=1, status=9223372036854775815 / /boot/kernel/kernel text=0x14ed860 data=0x132538+0x4baa68 syms=[0x8+0x159ee8+0x8+0x172d9c] Hit [enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. Booting [/boot/kernel/kernel]]... Start @ 0xffffffff802ff000 ... EFI framebuffer information: addr, size 0xc0000000, 0x1ff0000 dimensions 800 x 600 stride 800 masks 0x00ff0000, 0x0000ff00, 0x000000ff, 0xff000000 | at which point all activity ceases. Literally. One cannot even reboot from the keyboard using ctrl-alt-del. I speculate that the firmware on the motherboard is likely out-of-date and may be the source of the problem. In any case FreeBSD-11.0 has been installed to the HDD by other means and boots from that without problem. As this system is but a temporary replacement these difficulties turn out to be annoyances rather than a concern. Regards, -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 21 17:35:13 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17801D162C8 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:35:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22c.google.com (mail-wm0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0ADB1980 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:35:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id u132so17510437wmg.0 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:35:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=oM1LZBspv1gubQEG1+2fDMP/2DU3mUm346tD7O3EBOg=; b=Ro/yhQ8DvKzykogH/hm7qZs05fJxy0/0iCp8gcrqEi95vTHKP4BkHb1Vrhir2uS+Db WDyvPNYaB+FoYfUBZTc+duhYI8eOSQwyhMwXupLeArOjDNi5CRwS7lol3wA0FSzvYa1A rxFnp7ICTc6teoFaZxHf5huIGXwkk0egBfkfeUNf+gewzCq7UZ+Z7PjLmQcGrfr5kKWA HZ+E71G+6/MzMdpp0AXOok5hJFoR/iB5qVU1cczDJLNQHf0HggJLP1zdxklvaEE8yRay KvRgVpNPOtvmR/iRvF4l7z8YG9bKW82um8nCnZs4azzCk0mN99I5mxCrQopgB/RXAMI+ RbOw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=oM1LZBspv1gubQEG1+2fDMP/2DU3mUm346tD7O3EBOg=; b=BDEmauNIZ4QapXY3ERevI27XzewM+AgnPH25I27JE9BbW5h4kLPRGEQPIxrSa5UkLd A6CGH8rfMf2D3nRPxLydMx45G20iRZz+dboT5TZYNE+0kEXtPTmKSjlYm+pi3ydJ8BPh I75g7r4k+AZndX/WUCZBIj/jCHzPQNwgqAbIGTcLPQPCwTw6oZq4auxT88+mayWmKeQB cFP46d4jnHvzFen7SleTiZ3DW5MdisLE4eYTLIIZPdp/cICAIQrZuMBT+Q+e6c6TAeaS 6A0oG9MvVbLSjL8Ayg5cpXNOuIW90etg97aWaeRVlb1rh5W7E7ESUFvqRc2vVS2vQyzi kRsA== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H0w28i0pObbrvMg2i5fEbZQLhiebg1KSx2EuaTw1ncR+/zb6ivUnoU/CFmEWlQf7q/XbYwvDcJhCFA/gw== X-Received: by 10.28.63.66 with SMTP id m63mr3728701wma.82.1490117711008; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:35:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.164.2 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:35:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20170321161947.f34a308d.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <58D019EE.9030508@gmail.com> <20170321161947.f34a308d.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Adam Vande More Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 12:35:10 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: command line history broken in 11.0 To: Polytropon Cc: Arthur Chance , FreeBSD Questions , Ernie Luzar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:35:13 -0000 On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 14:31:34 +0000, Arthur Chance wrote: > > On 20/03/2017 18:05, Ernie Luzar wrote: > > > On 10.3 I had the current session saving the command line history when > > > issuing the shutdown, halt, and reboot command by using these alias > > > commands that I added to the .cshrc file of my logged in user account. > > > > > > alias sd "exit && shutdown now" > > > alias sdp "exit && shutdown -p now" > > > alias rboot "exit && reboot" > > > alias stop "exit && halt" > > > > > > Now after doing a clean install of 11.0 and using the same .cshrc file > > > the rboot and stop alias commands no longer save the current history. > > > They act like the exit command is not getting executed. The sd and sdp > > > alias commands are working as expected. > > > > > > When existing from a session terminal by issuing the exit command does > > > still save the current history. > > > > > > Is there an alternate method I can use? > > > > > > > To the best of my understanding, reboot and halt should really only be > > used in single user mode, because they don't cleanly close down running > > programs - they're more like pulling the power plug after a couple of > > syncs. That's been the case for a long time now. > > Basically, "reboot" is equivalent to "shutdown -r now", just > as "halt" is to "shutdown -h now". That statement is true on Linux, not FreeBSD. > Both things do the same. > From "man reboot": > >From "man reboot:" emphasis mine. Normally, the shutdown(8) utility is used when the system needs to be halted or restarted, giving users advance warning of their impending doom and ***cleanly terminating specific programs***. See the init source if you question this. -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 21 17:44:01 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63325D1668C for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:44:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay11.qsc.de (mailrelay11.qsc.de [212.99.187.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE428C7 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:43:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay11.qsc.de; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 18:43:56 +0100 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-127-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.127.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9ADDA3CBF9; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 18:43:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v2LHhs4f002693; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 18:43:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 18:43:54 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Adam Vande More Cc: Arthur Chance , FreeBSD Questions , Ernie Luzar Subject: Re: command line history broken in 11.0 Message-Id: <20170321184354.0e19582c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <58D019EE.9030508@gmail.com> <20170321161947.f34a308d.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay11.qsc.de with 32C5B6A3561 X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.2350 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:44:01 -0000 On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 12:35:10 -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Polytropon wrote: > > > On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 14:31:34 +0000, Arthur Chance wrote: > > > On 20/03/2017 18:05, Ernie Luzar wrote: > > > > On 10.3 I had the current session saving the command line history when > > > > issuing the shutdown, halt, and reboot command by using these alias > > > > commands that I added to the .cshrc file of my logged in user account. > > > > > > > > alias sd "exit && shutdown now" > > > > alias sdp "exit && shutdown -p now" > > > > alias rboot "exit && reboot" > > > > alias stop "exit && halt" > > > > > > > > Now after doing a clean install of 11.0 and using the same .cshrc file > > > > the rboot and stop alias commands no longer save the current history. > > > > They act like the exit command is not getting executed. The sd and sdp > > > > alias commands are working as expected. > > > > > > > > When existing from a session terminal by issuing the exit command does > > > > still save the current history. > > > > > > > > Is there an alternate method I can use? > > > > > > > > > > To the best of my understanding, reboot and halt should really only be > > > used in single user mode, because they don't cleanly close down running > > > programs - they're more like pulling the power plug after a couple of > > > syncs. That's been the case for a long time now. > > > > Basically, "reboot" is equivalent to "shutdown -r now", just > > as "halt" is to "shutdown -h now". > > > That statement is true on Linux, not FreeBSD. It is "funcationally equivalent" (basically does the same), but differs in _how_ it does it (especially regarding program termination prior to shutdown). > > Both things do the same. > > From "man reboot": > > > > From "man reboot:" emphasis mine. > > Normally, the shutdown(8) utility is used when the system needs to be > halted or restarted, giving users advance warning of their impending > doom > and ***cleanly terminating specific programs***. > > See the init source if you question this. I do not, and even "man shutdown" mentions the specific difference (see -o option); "halt" and "reboot" have a specific own life, but "shutdown" will rely on init for certain tasks. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 21 17:59:47 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337DAD16C2E for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:59:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@str.komkon.org) Received: from tissa.komkon.org (tissa.komkon.org [52.5.170.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "komkon.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9897D6D for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:59:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@str.komkon.org) Received: from auth (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tissa.komkon.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v2LHxh83019469 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 13:59:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from freebsd@str.komkon.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=str.komkon.org; s=mail; t=1490119184; bh=Lxyp1sW5rG4BC1gIuzPTmygH9tP6qU0vGrWoKN7QPzg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject; b=cBBJot1G6BxNE1q31j4jBUVY7SbJrH00hvXdpDa8EyHoQEEXgQ+mBHAMlerM3Fl61 EssfsLjXG8YQl880m4KC5pNLHofln1JjgPphHGp7r/J08bUIYBWDTdMQTtHTN5R+/y 0wF+1iyaQkXM28s5Oh3tczo8V3iu+obRFVEla1y0= Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 13:59:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Igor R." To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: command line history broken in 11.0 Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at tissa.komkon.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:59:47 -0000 It is not something that I've tried to do, but here is an idea: "reboot & ; exit". The rational is that by doing this you would detach the standard output of the "reboot" process, and that will allow the exit to complete. If that doesn't help, you can think about redirecting the stdout (and as the next step, - stderr) in that command. HTH! PS. I just looked at the source code, and I suspect that the difference in the behavior in 10.3 and 11.0 (or 11.0.1) might be related to these changes: Just before 10.3 release, this change was introduced to /bin/csh: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=296976 and then quickly reversed. by Revision 297204. https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=297204 You can see that revision 296976 had weird side effects: "causes strange effects like for example SIGTERM not being delivered to rc(8) scripts on shutdown albeit these use sh(1), if csh(1) or tcsh(1) are used as login shell of root." At the same time, soon after 10.3-release was split from HEAD, that change was reversed in HEAD as well, but in addition to that (Revision 297672) a different call (fork) was introduced: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=297673 https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/bin/csh/config_p.h?r1=297673&r2=297672&pathrev=297673 Maybe that change also had some side effects (like what you see), but just less severe or less noticeable, - so it "worked" for 11.0*-release. Assuming my guess is correct, I'd recommend you filing a bug report (pr), so that it is documented - and that can bring it to the attention of the core team. https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:05-0400, Ernie Luzar wrote: > On 10.3 I had the current session saving the command line history when issuing > the shutdown, halt, and reboot command by using these alias commands that I > added to the .cshrc file of my logged in user account. > > alias sd "exit && shutdown now" > alias sdp "exit && shutdown -p now" > alias rboot "exit && reboot" > alias stop "exit && halt" > > Now after doing a clean install of 11.0 and using the same .cshrc file the > rboot and stop alias commands no longer save the current history. They act > like the exit command is not getting executed. The sd and sdp alias commands > are working as expected. > > When existing from a session terminal by issuing the exit command does still > save the current history. > > Is there an alternate method I can use? 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[65.25.52.33]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id b126sm10604639ioa.55.2017.03.21.13.51.05 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 21 Mar 2017 13:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <58D1925B.8050500@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:51:39 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Igor R." CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: command line history broken in 11.0 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:51:07 -0000 Igor R. wrote: > > It is not something that I've tried to do, but here is an idea: > "reboot & ; exit". > The rational is that by doing this you would detach the standard output > of the "reboot" process, and that will allow the exit to complete. > > If that doesn't help, you can think about redirecting the stdout > (and as the next step, - stderr) in that command. > > HTH! > > PS. I just looked at the source code, and I suspect that the difference > in the behavior in 10.3 and 11.0 (or 11.0.1) might be related to these > changes: > Just before 10.3 release, this change was introduced to /bin/csh: > https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=296976 > and then quickly reversed. by Revision 297204. > https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=297204 > You can see that revision 296976 had weird side effects: > "causes strange effects like for example SIGTERM not > being delivered to rc(8) scripts on shutdown albeit these use sh(1), > if csh(1) or tcsh(1) are used as login shell of root." > > > At the same time, soon after 10.3-release was split from HEAD, that > change was reversed in HEAD as well, but in addition to that (Revision > 297672) a different call (fork) was introduced: > https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=297673 > https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/bin/csh/config_p.h?r1=297673&r2=297672&pathrev=297673 > > > Maybe that change also had some side effects (like what you see), but > just less severe or less noticeable, - so it "worked" for 11.0*-release. > > Assuming my guess is correct, I'd recommend you filing a bug report (pr), > so that it is documented - and that can bring it to the attention of the > core team. > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi > > > > On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:05-0400, Ernie Luzar wrote: > >> On 10.3 I had the current session saving the command line history when >> issuing >> the shutdown, halt, and reboot command by using these alias commands >> that I >> added to the .cshrc file of my logged in user account. >> >> alias sd "exit && shutdown now" >> alias sdp "exit && shutdown -p now" >> alias rboot "exit && reboot" >> alias stop "exit && halt" >> >> Now after doing a clean install of 11.0 and using the same .cshrc file >> the >> rboot and stop alias commands no longer save the current history. They >> act >> like the exit command is not getting executed. The sd and sdp alias >> commands >> are working as expected. >> >> When existing from a session terminal by issuing the exit command does >> still >> save the current history. >> >> Is there an alternate method I can use? Thank you Igor. Your reply hit the mail on the head. You have proved there is a reason for the different between 10.3 and 11.0. I now know its not me screwing something up. I've been a Freebsd user since release 3.0. Over time I noticed that the shell command line history was NEVER being updated so I would see the history from the previous session merged into the old .history file the next time I started the host. It was not existing the shell and logging on the next day, instead I would issue halt or shutdown -p now command. During the 10.x series some time I posted a question to the questions list about this behavior. To make a long story short, the solution at that time was to do it this way and it was working fine. alias rboot "exit && reboot" alias stop "exit && halt" Then along comes 11.0 and it stopped working, I tried many different combinations and nothing worked. It was Polytropon who gave me the pointer I needed. Even though I had reread the shutdown man page a few times, I never really understood what the meaning of the -o flag was really talking about. I recoded my alias commands like this alias sd "shutdown -o now" alias sdp "shutdown -po now" alias rboot "shoutdown -ro now" alias stop "shutdown -ho now" Low and be hold, Now the shell is given a chance to close down normally which allows the shell .history file to be updated. My world is happy again. This also explains why sometimes at shutdown my database gets corrupted To my way of thinking this -o should be the default behavior instead of how it is now. This default behavior is now in violation of the original intention for using the shutdown command in the first place, which is to allow running tasks to close down cleanly saving databases from becoming corrupted. It would be best if halt and reboot commands were deprecated and removed from the base system leaving the shutdown command the only way to bring down the system, aside from the power button. The shutdown -o mode should become the default mode. Then "shutdown -r now" becomes the replacement for the "reboot" command and "shutdown -h now" becomes the replacement for "halt" command. Their is never a technical need where it's necessary to just terminate everything thats running. This concept of terminating all running tasks is a legacy leftover from the first BSD version that now needs to be corrected. With todays powerful computers there is no noticeable lag in allowing tasks to shutdown cleanly. To address people who may have reboot or halt inbedded in some scripts, the reboot command could be an alias for "shutdown -r now" and halt an alias for "shutdown -h now". I think a PR is needed here to get this problem documented. It surely effects every user of FreeBSD. Now if I have missed something or mis-understood something, I sure would like to hear about it before I submit a PR on this. Even an acknowledgment that I got it correct would be good to hear. Thanks to everyone who replied. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 21 21:00:01 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55DBED170D5 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:00:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22f.google.com (mail-wm0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E407D15D5 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:00:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id n11so21694117wma.0 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 14:00:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=o/5LWRi1UZtcAKa3RY3zLpi939Ra09DBh1QmHNaVYHA=; b=rxT60LRB3pK6SfBbEI0DtFMRhDz7j2aChKaxS9tuyWYivq3SBZE3UNEYXNIYtp4Lfi RsId5/FWvjJO7rlgTuV6oIgbJ3Gd2pKqIe/i6FCdBmgDMJAp582P625Yi53faPXVjHhG U4YmDtE3P85InaNY4+ogWDx2DTNX+lDWBPrTge4MNpBN7mQEUlxo0/focg8i4mjuL1NL NlteL7vxYgdPzzc0iY7l2hrv6bGG2GGgKjpLTs5mCZpjBnxVL26uf9ZjmJ+3jsxSJdy8 0sUEFOwiE7lb7BNdnvYYaKSCbZhBM8Ttk4TRyPOolcrPE06smUO1UHztVvQ2oCO09wpc CrUg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=o/5LWRi1UZtcAKa3RY3zLpi939Ra09DBh1QmHNaVYHA=; b=qXZ+0SmF40rTtZCnDaPnN4UuN7mXRbMVBUUbKqY7Y2KmkjdddkpttP1Xb9RWo74+Sq BU2g7gYyBJj07tq/sSmoyvxjca6XI9rWJr5Z4e5K9vuo/bxeUr4FyZE+jt2LYc9L0cfD vEuHmfZ6GO91WfAJA+zlEw48pCQXfkh8bJLiItUwKWI2DJeO0wF9tzVeo8w04/IePaoU yLssDJE2hKhHfGbjYJ1zsJ+vLUnKGsll1IGTjtH2Lys09KpY6UgVQyp9Lyg9PP3uYDPO 2woIp579AT4YaXFlZFUcCPzEkcRTbm7YzNft23JXiQcKimokHp17LeOQYqfDukech2vj OaYA== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H27gAZetUM6g/M8r7ArEOpkmHjQoeMUlvltuZ1t6BOxT7EBBDmsynej8ImBi7lc33AcWnha8cUFYaaiKA== X-Received: by 10.28.220.132 with SMTP id t126mr4387562wmg.138.1490129998501; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 13:59:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.148.35 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 13:59:58 -0700 (PDT) From: David Mehler Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:59:58 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: freebsd 10.3 to 11 release upgrade on a vps To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:00:01 -0000 Hello, I've got a Freebsd 10.3 vps. I'm wondering about upgrading to 11 release. Are there any upgrade woes? I'm also running jails so wondering how the upgrade would work with the jail setup and how to upgrade the jails? Thanks. Dave. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 21 21:20:20 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10D7D1783A for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:20:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@str.komkon.org) Received: from tissa.komkon.org (tissa.komkon.org [52.5.170.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "komkon.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9180DA94 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:20:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@str.komkon.org) Received: from auth (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tissa.komkon.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v2LLKHIs022302 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:20:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from freebsd@str.komkon.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=str.komkon.org; s=mail; t=1490131218; bh=uEfd3JD/nKF8i5Snkmj1UntXod5pqBiqAkgiA2ESoNc=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=Y01mEF/+waA+8Txlp11eswlTa5zKm+Ogf9D2LIMDChwvUTeXbXwJ+WySQZdWl2v2P uYvA0482n/hj9JK09O+Gt+x1wv0FY4upD99HYu24U4qYRc8TmdtBvnVJyrLnsS8bw9 lWAzFRmXmlOAqKQMrmB3j0VtuiZMFbLAHLA4NRCU= Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:20:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Igor R." To: Ernie Luzar cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: command line history broken in 11.0 In-Reply-To: <58D1925B.8050500@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <58D1925B.8050500@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at tissa.komkon.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:20:20 -0000 Ernie, You assertion about -o option sounds reasonable. I didn't think through if it is consistent with the changes made between the versions, and I didn't check the earlier history of changes (which would make your aliases+history working in 10.x) of the code. But the changes between 10.3 and 11.0 were indeed related to signal vs fork, which would be in the right ballpark with what the option -o does, according to the man pages. By the way, - I am still curious if sending halt or reboot into background would also do what you wanted. If you have a box you can experiment with, - would you mind doing that? As for deprecating halt(8) and reboot(8), - I think that is unreasonable. It is not about the time, but about how things are done. So, shutdown will run those (they are hardlinks) if -o specified, and send a signal to init(8) otherwise. You are thinking only about the situations when everything is working fine. I can see that in some cases init(8) might stop responding to signals, in which case halt/reboot *might* still do the job. Besides, as described in init(8): " When shutting down the machine, init will try to run the /etc/rc.shutdown script. This script can be used to cleanly terminate specific programs such as innd (the InterNetNews server). If this script does not terminate within 120 seconds, init will terminate it." Sometimes you might need to halt/reboot the system without running all of those shutdown scripts (while still flushing the file system). Besides, there is no downside of having them around (except for non-educated admins, but then the problem is at a different level altogether). Igor On Tue, 21 Mar 2017, Ernie Luzar wrote: > Igor R. wrote: >> >> It is not something that I've tried to do, but here is an idea: >> "reboot & ; exit". >> The rational is that by doing this you would detach the standard output >> of the "reboot" process, and that will allow the exit to complete. >> >> If that doesn't help, you can think about redirecting the stdout >> (and as the next step, - stderr) in that command. >> >> HTH! >> >> PS. I just looked at the source code, and I suspect that the difference in >> the behavior in 10.3 and 11.0 (or 11.0.1) might be related to these >> changes: >> Just before 10.3 release, this change was introduced to /bin/csh: >> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=296976 >> and then quickly reversed. by Revision 297204. >> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=297204 >> You can see that revision 296976 had weird side effects: >> "causes strange effects like for example SIGTERM not >> being delivered to rc(8) scripts on shutdown albeit these use sh(1), >> if csh(1) or tcsh(1) are used as login shell of root." >> >> >> At the same time, soon after 10.3-release was split from HEAD, that change >> was reversed in HEAD as well, but in addition to that (Revision 297672) a >> different call (fork) was introduced: >> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=297673 >> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/bin/csh/config_p.h?r1=297673&r2=297672&pathrev=297673 >> >> Maybe that change also had some side effects (like what you see), but just >> less severe or less noticeable, - so it "worked" for 11.0*-release. >> >> Assuming my guess is correct, I'd recommend you filing a bug report (pr), >> so that it is documented - and that can bring it to the attention of the >> core team. >> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi >> >> >> >> On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:05-0400, Ernie Luzar wrote: >> >>> On 10.3 I had the current session saving the command line history when >>> issuing >>> the shutdown, halt, and reboot command by using these alias commands that >>> I >>> added to the .cshrc file of my logged in user account. >>> >>> alias sd "exit && shutdown now" >>> alias sdp "exit && shutdown -p now" >>> alias rboot "exit && reboot" >>> alias stop "exit && halt" >>> >>> Now after doing a clean install of 11.0 and using the same .cshrc file the >>> rboot and stop alias commands no longer save the current history. They act >>> like the exit command is not getting executed. The sd and sdp alias >>> commands >>> are working as expected. >>> >>> When existing from a session terminal by issuing the exit command does >>> still >>> save the current history. >>> >>> Is there an alternate method I can use? > > > Thank you Igor. > > Your reply hit the mail on the head. You have proved there is a reason for > the different between 10.3 and 11.0. I now know its not me screwing something > up. > > I've been a Freebsd user since release 3.0. Over time I noticed that the > shell command line history was NEVER being updated so I would see the history > from the previous session merged into the old .history file the next time I > started the host. It was not existing the shell and logging on the next day, > instead I would issue halt or shutdown -p now command. > > During the 10.x series some time I posted a question to the questions list > about this behavior. To make a long story short, the solution at that time > was to do it this way and it was working fine. > > alias rboot "exit && reboot" > alias stop "exit && halt" > > Then along comes 11.0 and it stopped working, I tried many different > combinations and nothing worked. It was Polytropon who gave me the pointer I > needed. Even though I had reread the shutdown man page a few times, I never > really understood what the meaning of the -o flag was really talking about. I > recoded my alias commands like this > > alias sd "shutdown -o now" > alias sdp "shutdown -po now" > alias rboot "shoutdown -ro now" > alias stop "shutdown -ho now" > > Low and be hold, Now the shell is given a chance to close down normally which > allows the shell .history file to be updated. My world is happy again. This > also explains why sometimes at shutdown my database gets corrupted > > To my way of thinking this -o should be the default behavior instead of how > it is now. This default behavior is now in violation of the original > intention for using the shutdown command in the first place, which is to > allow running tasks to close down cleanly saving databases from becoming > corrupted. > > It would be best if halt and reboot commands were deprecated and removed from > the base system leaving the shutdown command the only way to bring down the > system, aside from the power button. The shutdown -o mode should become the > default mode. Then "shutdown -r now" becomes the replacement for the "reboot" > command and "shutdown -h now" becomes the replacement for "halt" command. > Their is never a technical need where it's necessary to just terminate > everything thats running. This concept of terminating all running tasks is a > legacy leftover from the first BSD version that now needs to be corrected. > With todays powerful computers there is no noticeable lag in allowing tasks > to shutdown cleanly. > > To address people who may have reboot or halt inbedded in some scripts, the > reboot command could be an alias for "shutdown -r now" and halt an alias for > "shutdown -h now". > > I think a PR is needed here to get this problem documented. It surely effects > every user of FreeBSD. > > Now if I have missed something or mis-understood something, I sure would like > to hear about it before I submit a PR on this. Even an acknowledgment that I > got it correct would be good to hear. > > Thanks to everyone who replied. > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 21 22:57:57 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80CF5D17EF9 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 22:57:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-x232.google.com (mail-yw0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27F51116B for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 22:57:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw0-x232.google.com with SMTP id v198so119151046ywc.2 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 15:57:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:cc; bh=jAEu7WRzvI43UMsQ25seQio/7kaLS1e0koOYs7HWExQ=; b=apILal9kqcRPD7OVL2f53OBfTkUZbRZQ9pUdxMFJut0TKHHdErZ68bI9phiGqs3+n5 glYC74JVqPQvlArrWLdTYbq5NudhPAGIwCY2SerF0ih/5LUbPrdgQiIbPeeg8aFGghPD aQvfKzkAaknmxgnUCAm5kfT/oR8q6t7pgF6pVNuFBytOVvyYPHIX2wfcPeVg1TAyMRBC bcO7x2GrKa+xV0VFcDmh6pMmMT410JOlW87UJ5lA+Zv0bvFDRkQNBvGPJhP63ioI+GYL 8s4Vyxghph8bOMsfaK8a5S30G3pyGT6O16Lb36SbCLoEulZKghjuOU/nzJsVWNHBYIsT 9H1w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:cc; bh=jAEu7WRzvI43UMsQ25seQio/7kaLS1e0koOYs7HWExQ=; b=h57WySdMW3PXxk045ZLdgC4abwGXEEqJMmMM8NsYR7dZwfq/X4rD8j4NSLM7qFXYQI k1rsoTBKqrsy6TdGhwU0gtK5P06zmWMlsMc9UgiWQQ+ofCDLKiqTKzdIeSxffbFx2PTG VwpAVb1HZCfqZMeBzmWBkB09a9zhAnyltePO8XCIWF/NTz5KpZb0Xr1ey08BMW3pYrSy 8UelneA1HkAsSKj97YGk1f9gGvJrKb2p5GmRgox7L15SL//kcLUSMKZQVMaIstWuVa5p fuwlGMK+Ly3LV3k0LvOpp0lyior/T1iFzxPowY0xS9QxrE+rBuveYlZwbgb6UDhB/fGm KLqw== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H2CGuQ7eSLWv3lHVuGt4F2KFSbVDN9fzYb/rpig/xdg/u5rm07vS16zqiaf0uYisUTsmmUsfepzBg9MLQ== X-Received: by 10.37.114.69 with SMTP id n66mr24684837ybc.157.1490137076163; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 15:57:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.163.227 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 15:57:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: William Dudley Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 18:57:55 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 22:57:57 -0000 I've got all the bits that numerous sources say are the correct bits (like in hostname.mc). Sendmail in 10.x is able to generate it's OWN certificates. I've let it do just that. However, sendmail still refuses to announce STARTTLS as a capability. Surely there must be some way to debug this, instead of just thrashing about randomly. Is there a debug variable in sendmail that I can turn up to see exactly what sendmail doesn't like about the SSl/TLS stuff? Failing that, is anyone on this list using self-signed certificates? Do you know the EXACT sequence of things to do to get this to work? I have a funny feeling that the "auto-generated" certs created by sendmail don't work if you don't have an official cert from Verisign. Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 9:13 AM, William Dudley wrote: > The point of this exercise is to allow my Android phone to access my email > on my FreeBSD 10.3 server, using imap. I had it working last year, and > then, > with nary an error message, it stopped working. So the email client is > the native > Android email client (on a recent Cyanogen Android). My FreeBSD server > runs > sendmail, and I've been running my own mail domain for about a decade. > > My latest guess (and that's all I can do is guess) is that my self-signed > certificates > expired, and I just need to re-generate them. All the sources on sendmail > and > STARTTLS that I've seen so far show configs identical to my config, so from > this I infer perhaps one or more of my cert files is "bad". > > stunnel may well be a wonderful program, but I really don't want to figure > out how > to specify each of the 500 lines in it's config file, especially when the > software > doesn't run successfully with it's own sample config file. > > Thanks for your time, > Bill Dudley > > > This email is free of malware because I run Linux. > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:59 AM, Patrick Mahan wrote: > >> On 3/19/17 1:07 PM, William Dudley wrote: >> > I commented out the lines starting with checkHost, and started stunnel. >> > It does start, and runs as a daemon. However, it doesn't seem to DO >> anything. >> > >> > However, that hasn't changed sendmail's behaviour one iota. >> > >> > As far as I can tell, stunnel is a massive waste of time. >> > >> > I don't really want to spend months reading all the stunnel docs to >> figure out >> > how to get it to work with sendmail. Sendmail is hard enough on it's >> own, and >> > I can mostly control sendmail (well, except for the STARTTLS problem.) >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Bill Dudley >> > >> > >> > This email is free of malware because I run Linux. >> > >> > On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 9:53 AM, William Dudley > > > wrote: >> > >> > stunnel fails to start with this helpful message: >> > >> > /usr/local/etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf:68: "checkHost = pop.gmail.com >> > ": Specified option name is not valid here >> > >> > The line it's complaining about is in the EXAMPLE config file. >> > >> > So this is not going well, at all. >> > >> > pop.gmail.com is a valid hostname. I have >> no idea >> > what stunnel is complaining about. >> > >> >> Okay, Let me share what I do. I believe stunnel needs to run on the same >> host >> as the sendmail server. >> >> First, here is some relevant parts from my stunnel config file: >> >> ; Sample stunnel configuration file by Michal Trojnara 2002-2005 >> ; Some options used here may not be adequate for your particular >> configuration >> ; Please make sure you understand them (especially the effect of chroot >> jail) >> >> ; Certificate/key is needed in server mode and optional in client mode >> cert = /usr/local/etc/stunnel/sslcerts/stunnel.pem >> ;key = /usr/local/etc/stunnel/mail.pem >> >> ; Some security enhancements for UNIX systems - comment them out on Win32 >> chroot = /var/stunnel/ >> setuid = stunnel >> setgid = stunnel >> ; PID is created inside chroot jail >> pid = /stunnel.pid >> >> ; Some performance tunings >> socket = l:TCP_NODELAY=1 >> socket = r:TCP_NODELAY=1 >> ;compression = rle >> >> ; Workaround for Eudora bug >> ;options = DONT_INSERT_EMPTY_FRAGMENTS >> >> ; Authentication stuff >> verify = 0 >> >> .... >> >> ; Some debugging stuff useful for troubleshooting >> debug = 7 >> output = stunnel.log >> >> ; Use it for client mode >> ;client = yes >> >> ; Service-level configuration >> >> [pop3s] >> accept = 995 >> connect = 110 >> >> [imaps] >> accept = 993 >> connect = 143 >> >> [smtps] >> accept = 465 >> connect = 25 >> >> I run dovecot for my imap server which is listening on port 143: >> >> mahan@ns-/usr/local/etc/stunnel 11 # sockstat | grep 110 >> root dovecot 915 22 tcp4 *:110 *:* >> >> But I connect from my mail clients (ios mail, thunderbird, ...) to port >> 993. The >> mail clients are all configured to use ssl/tls, *not* startttl. >> >> My smtp I connect via stunnel over port 465, not port 25 for sending mail. >> >> So what are you trying to accomplish? The idea is for your accessing >> these >> servers in an encrypted fashion. But from your above description, it >> sounds >> like you are trying to access your unsecured gmail account using POP3. >> Not >> sure why as the connection from stunnel to pop.gmail.com will be >> unsecured. >> >> What email client are you trying to use? >> >> Patrick >> >> >> > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 22 00:20:42 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5B2D17C1A for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 00:20:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x242.google.com (mail-it0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A35A51BD4 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 00:20:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x242.google.com with SMTP id z70so3218519itb.1 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:20:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4ylaw7N3cO1dZgZ+vfIe/1SKQ6aj23wqbJOZaQGp7U4=; b=IDTMTvYQbx96+IeMdALq6QzRou+aLyRVrrw6eXMpF5s8AaKvvv2NxbIxdge25fDENZ 1c6tdXYZlruaYGjoWQK4HtwNcfdDLC2Sbuk4JLqaJlXK5Yw0J+H41k6yrzOq2KdyIN/P DUBTQnw9GaeP8hekxrMQt/gG7U5pRYpgf2NEJQSB60Hm9yH7Y2SH50SMLmEkl1AZU0qX 9Xl9F4LOKomaIK5lZRKtJChJEEJUwBrdgPNu65OQASPooy7VUSJ53H77mXxi1e1bNPbs uBgIcoN+wSefDddu8Ap2lYobmMuAthuYchu84ZRugYbKSu4xO0cFfsxqdaZs6LNsE38k XKag== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4ylaw7N3cO1dZgZ+vfIe/1SKQ6aj23wqbJOZaQGp7U4=; b=R4msmtYXF28q7Jv3YVzsfyxXCiEhEMa8ou4wm+fT6G7S4BzdcNPnF6uBFYsSTxOHZv tcvFW4z9HH5LXm2G2hmvGYNvgmsMSerDow4PtCxb/79FtoK0E86Eha++lxInFiQFxS1+ ZUqCg98kG6w7iEQFmxAT6QF/Ie2etey72/etUumNoPYJYjtOVkxLQik9H7BXv2A7iArL dOJ+SL2Otym6EvwLqrQrWk4EkXsBWL67IylfxuPutWjGuN8t8k/1cC68Qb6bJPNsPCXl o/kLNjdcwLEImrjeUTbNwG2VAOffdOqwKKAbFyIpyVmPthnGeYyKxZYon1GwTJ2XpkRV 550A== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H0KCpGro8SH7L0S3CX6aaHYuPVUA3Fvx7ZDOU1YnjVAV5cpWxzpNBMjiZINA3Yu0A== X-Received: by 10.36.197.132 with SMTP id f126mr5293444itg.117.1490142041983; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.10.3] (cpe-65-25-52-33.neo.res.rr.com. [65.25.52.33]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id m100sm44052iod.14.2017.03.21.17.20.41 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <58D1C382.9090306@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:21:22 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Igor R." CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: command line history broken in 11.0 References: <58D1925B.8050500@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 00:20:43 -0000 Igor R. wrote: > > > Ernie, > > You assertion about -o option sounds reasonable. > I didn't think through if it is consistent with the changes made between > the versions, and I didn't check the earlier history of changes (which > would make your aliases+history working in 10.x) of the code. > > But the changes between 10.3 and 11.0 were indeed related to signal vs > fork, which would be in the right ballpark with what the option -o does, > according to the man pages. > > By the way, - I am still curious if sending halt or reboot into > background would also do what you wanted. If you have a box you can > experiment with, - would you mind doing that? > > snip > I do have a dev box at this time. That is where I did the testing about this problem. I just tried "reboot & ; exit" and it did indeed work. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 22 01:36:39 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6C2D1745F for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 01:36:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@str.komkon.org) Received: from tissa.komkon.org (tissa.komkon.org [52.5.170.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "komkon.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4826184D for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 01:36:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@str.komkon.org) Received: from auth (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tissa.komkon.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v2M1abFX025106 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:36:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from freebsd@str.komkon.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=str.komkon.org; s=mail; t=1490146598; bh=iv790XnpBGBfOQuhbQRQgLQUd6urth03N0Xt8b+Cmjs=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=E56DEi1/A6/YxJCm+AW01/KJYH8aNVxB4G2oE7UuRQjzm4RDTM4gvgBv1A3NC/FwF gpwTsFvRtu0oUKpIlLTfRS0Cz5tIEWjvHOBvPpRxZrxkPGkhbHorUzAV4LiRVvr3xQ 9pVp/2BjH+KyZq3YCYPm/ZRVOC2R1PDkpU4xjSdc= Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:36:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Igor R." To: Ernie Luzar cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: command line history broken in 11.0 In-Reply-To: <58D1C382.9090306@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <58D1925B.8050500@gmail.com> <58D1C382.9090306@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at tissa.komkon.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 01:36:40 -0000 On Tue, 21 Mar 2017, Ernie Luzar wrote: > Igor R. wrote: >> >> >> Ernie, >> >> You assertion about -o option sounds reasonable. >> I didn't think through if it is consistent with the changes made between >> the versions, and I didn't check the earlier history of changes (which >> would make your aliases+history working in 10.x) of the code. >> >> But the changes between 10.3 and 11.0 were indeed related to signal vs >> fork, which would be in the right ballpark with what the option -o does, >> according to the man pages. >> >> By the way, - I am still curious if sending halt or reboot into background >> would also do what you wanted. If you have a box you can experiment with, - >> would you mind doing that? >> >> snip >> > > I do have a dev box at this time. That is where I did the testing about this > problem. I just tried "reboot & ; exit" and it did indeed work. > Thank you for testing it. So, then, indeed the problem is in the stdout being held by "reboot", not letting "exit" to work. Igor From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 22 04:25:04 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDFF5D146F4 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 04:25:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr0-x232.google.com (mail-wr0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DBF6160C for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 04:25:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr0-x232.google.com with SMTP id l37so123275294wrc.1 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:25:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=nQU4bW/CO6duOJXwu5MoGrNnlz5PmuQ4gRhuQqm+or4=; b=eiVFGZmhxVjLa+Uiv2poJc8hnMOgH2HPgzh7VWBXzIHUtME6FKm5yONnaPt6yEkCLp TJGXT9TLGHmkTiy51xq47qsVE8zoMtzTrnGjybo+uOERcxlw9VDE4SfcIinoX+sDi4VH 54st55d7/4iCKsuvCUmuvdR1VT4d8yT4FeOFSF+HhTPC3X3ccAsGVDdtE/U4MArmXfbk Yz1h564cKy/ctSzJ+xFS11hfRP2yAXCA1yj57aHg4FQjcZmwY/aqbb+Gu7yUfNN6AZrz 8YxyXz5rkbWMFzQgZlBVqoZKJ8Rp/EU8h5qJiJ2sxN6Zj8OEb8MA1nuTg1xSaVQbPQMW CqJA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=nQU4bW/CO6duOJXwu5MoGrNnlz5PmuQ4gRhuQqm+or4=; b=AqCCnNElu5hjc3gPD8O6G1hGZXInNHxgyre1mFaTBw3kkJs5frJMMzhN3La+X5GSC9 j1dUGOVzNpMIUqLb0MmGzMBu5NN0gaa6MRkauDNFDTpotr9rG2h8W0U/vymQ2yL3WqLE MYJeMlwEWPJr2qKjKJ7FBvhRFlMHB/uh1Pzi+Kt/7sKdIwheOmYTtd6roTxKStv/I598 rtfAE89dc7u6g/mq++V8+K4ihaOY6Hn48SWt+l6JF/FnreAAOXyxQKb7s+nQJEpg4py6 rRPpqgHQg9KThT/IMMOEEgid2bVI/IHxwUqQI4E6K8O85c7h27s5pJhn8+S9VZX1vr1F XT6g== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H1l9kZlQF9pS03F18uaLpMKomUqt8ia9eRHXpy4rul+CaPjQcEI9qDNnfZK/byGIhdELuWmJQR7gpDC4Q== X-Received: by 10.223.163.195 with SMTP id m3mr32520789wrb.83.1490156702820; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:25:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.148.35 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:25:02 -0700 (PDT) From: David Mehler Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 00:25:02 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: pf, nat, and asterisk in jail To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 04:25:04 -0000 Hello, I've asked this on freebsd-pf so far no response so thought i'd try here. Is anyone using pf with asterisk in a jail? If so how did you get rtp going? The sip is going through fine, I'm using 10.3, and my pf policy is default deny. Under that circumstance rtp is not going, I know this because of the fact that changing the block all to pass all and it all works. Thanks. Dave. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 22 06:07:39 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 588AAD15DF5 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 06:07:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ws@au.dyndns.ws) Received: from ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.141]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87BB51F24 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 06:07:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ws@au.dyndns.ws) Received: from ppp103-111.static.internode.on.net (HELO lillith-iv.ovirt.dyndns.ws) ([150.101.103.111]) by ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 22 Mar 2017 16:32:28 +1030 X-Envelope-From: ws@au.dyndns.ws X-Envelope-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from predator-ii.buffyverse (predator-ii.buffyverse [172.17.17.136]) by lillith-iv.ovirt.dyndns.ws (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id v2M62CZS049127; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 16:32:12 +1030 (ACDT) (envelope-from ws@au.dyndns.ws) Message-ID: <1490162531.1981.62.camel@au.dyndns.ws> Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? From: Wayne Sierke To: William Dudley Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 16:32:11 +1030 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (lillith-iv.ovirt.dyndns.ws [172.17.17.142]); Wed, 22 Mar 2017 16:32:12 +1030 (ACDT) for IP:'172.17.17.136' DOMAIN:'predator-ii.buffyverse' HELO:'predator-ii.buffyverse' FROM:'ws@au.dyndns.ws' RCPT:'' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (lillith-iv.ovirt.dyndns.ws [172.17.17.142]); Wed, 22 Mar 2017 16:32:12 +1030 (ACDT) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 on 172.17.17.142 X-Scanned-By: SpamAssassin 3.004000(2014-02-07) X-Scanned-By: ClamAV X-Spam-Score: -0.999 () ALL_TRUSTED,URIBL_BLOCKED X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 06:07:39 -0000 On Tue, 2017-03-21 at 18:57 -0400, William Dudley wrote: > I've got all the bits that numerous sources say are the correct bits > (like > in hostname.mc). > > Sendmail in 10.x is able to generate it's OWN certificates.  I've let it do > just that. > > However, sendmail still refuses to announce STARTTLS as a capability. > > Surely there must be some way to debug this, instead of just thrashing > about randomly. > > Is there a debug variable in sendmail that I can turn up to see exactly > what sendmail > doesn't like about the SSl/TLS stuff? Certainly. Increasing the loglevel was suggested on the page that Matthew linked for you earlier. Add this to your .mc: define(`confLOG_Level', `14') These may help, too: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/52471/ https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2012-August/244636.html > > Failing that, is anyone on this list using self-signed certificates?  Do > you know the EXACT > sequence of things to do to get this to work? > > I have a funny feeling that the "auto-generated" certs created by sendmail > don't work if you > don't have an official cert from Verisign. > > Bill Dudley > > > This email is free of malware because I run Linux. > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 9:13 AM, William Dudley wrote: > > > > > The point of this exercise is to allow my Android phone to access my email > > on my FreeBSD 10.3 server, using imap.  I had it working last year, and > > then, > > with nary an error message, it stopped working.  So the email client is > > the native > > Android email client (on a recent Cyanogen Android).  My FreeBSD server > > runs > > sendmail, and I've been running my own mail domain for about a decade. > > > > My latest guess (and that's all I can do is guess) is that my self-signed > > certificates > > expired, and I just need to re-generate them.  All the sources on sendmail > > and > > STARTTLS that I've seen so far show configs identical to my config, so from > > this I infer perhaps one or more of my cert files is "bad". > > > > stunnel may well be a wonderful program, but I really don't want to figure > > out how > > to specify each of the 500 lines in it's config file, especially when the > > software > > doesn't run successfully with it's own sample config file. > > > > Thanks for your time, > > Bill Dudley > > > > > > This email is free of malware because I run Linux. > > > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:59 AM, Patrick Mahan wrote: > > > > > > > > On 3/19/17 1:07 PM, William Dudley wrote: > > > > > > > > I commented out the lines starting with checkHost, and started stunnel. > > > > It does start, and runs as a daemon.  However, it doesn't seem to DO > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, that hasn't changed sendmail's behaviour one iota. > > > > > > > > As far as I can tell, stunnel is a massive waste of time. > > > > > > > > I don't really want to spend months reading all the stunnel docs to > > > figure out > > > > > > > > how to get it to work with sendmail.  Sendmail is hard enough on it's > > > own, and > > > > > > > > I can mostly control sendmail (well, except for the STARTTLS problem.) > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bill Dudley > > > > > > > > > > > > This email is free of malware because I run Linux. > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 9:53 AM, William Dudley > > > wfdudley@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > >     stunnel fails to start with this helpful message: > > > > > > > >     /usr/local/etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf:68: "checkHost = pop.gmail.com > > > >     ": Specified option name is not valid here > > > > > > > >     The line it's complaining about is in the EXAMPLE config file. > > > > > > > >     So this is not going well, at all. > > > > > > > >     pop.gmail.com is a valid hostname.  I have > > > no idea > > > > > > > >     what stunnel is complaining about. > > > > > > > Okay, Let me share what I do.  I believe stunnel needs to run on the same > > > host > > > as the sendmail server. > > > > > > First, here is some relevant parts from my stunnel config file: > > > > > > ; Sample stunnel configuration file by Michal Trojnara 2002-2005 > > > ; Some options used here may not be adequate for your particular > > > configuration > > > ; Please make sure you understand them (especially the effect of chroot > > > jail) > > > > > > ; Certificate/key is needed in server mode and optional in client mode > > > cert = /usr/local/etc/stunnel/sslcerts/stunnel.pem > > > ;key = /usr/local/etc/stunnel/mail.pem > > > > > > ; Some security enhancements for UNIX systems - comment them out on Win32 > > > chroot = /var/stunnel/ > > > setuid = stunnel > > > setgid = stunnel > > > ; PID is created inside chroot jail > > > pid = /stunnel.pid > > > > > > ; Some performance tunings > > > socket = l:TCP_NODELAY=1 > > > socket = r:TCP_NODELAY=1 > > > ;compression = rle > > > > > > ; Workaround for Eudora bug > > > ;options = DONT_INSERT_EMPTY_FRAGMENTS > > > > > > ; Authentication stuff > > > verify = 0 > > > > > > .... > > > > > > ; Some debugging stuff useful for troubleshooting > > > debug = 7 > > > output = stunnel.log > > > > > > ; Use it for client mode > > > ;client = yes > > > > > > ; Service-level configuration > > > > > > [pop3s] > > > accept  = 995 > > > connect = 110 > > > > > > [imaps] > > > accept  = 993 > > > connect = 143 > > > > > > [smtps] > > > accept  = 465 > > > connect = 25 > > > > > > I run dovecot for my imap server which is listening on port 143: > > > > > > mahan@ns-/usr/local/etc/stunnel 11 # sockstat | grep 110 > > > root     dovecot    915   22 tcp4   *:110                 *:* > > > > > > But I connect from my mail clients (ios mail, thunderbird, ...) to port > > > 993.  The > > > mail clients are all configured to use ssl/tls, *not* startttl. > > > > > > My smtp I connect via stunnel over port 465, not port 25 for sending mail. > > > > > > So what are you trying to accomplish?  The idea is for your accessing > > > these > > > servers in an encrypted fashion.  But from your above description, it > > > sounds > > > like you are trying to access your unsecured gmail account using POP3. > > > Not > > > sure why as the connection from stunnel to pop.gmail.com will be > > > unsecured. > > > > > > What email client are you trying to use? > > > > > > Patrick > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 22 07:14:49 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60608D1718D for ; 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Wed, 22 Mar 2017 01:00:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.134.176 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 01:00:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.80.134.176 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 01:00:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Shamim Shahriar Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 08:00:17 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: pf, nat, and asterisk in jail To: David Mehler Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 08:00:21 -0000 Hi Dave, not sure how exactly you have your jail's in terms of of and the rest of the network, so cannot give you any definite information. But I have asterisk box with of where I had to open a range of ports for RTP to work. If your jail is on the same subnet, you can try that (if your jail m had its own of, don't forget to open then from the host pf). If your jail is begging a NAT, I think you will benefit from 1:1 may and then opening the range for the host. Hope this helps. Best regards On 22 Mar 2017 4:25 am, "David Mehler" wrote: > Hello, > > I've asked this on freebsd-pf so far no response so thought i'd try here. > > Is anyone using pf with asterisk in a jail? If so how did you get rtp > going? The sip is going through fine, I'm using 10.3, and my pf policy > is default deny. Under that circumstance rtp is not going, I know this > because of the fact that changing the block all to pass all and it all > works. > > Thanks. > Dave. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 22 08:57:10 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB3FD16BB2; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 08:57:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk0-x244.google.com (mail-vk0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4807210BD; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 08:57:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk0-x244.google.com with SMTP id y16so9689604vky.1; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 01:57:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=0CmpfFWDZEN8wBuCAKHNdvLYKhmv4K9gfaRrYobSi6Y=; b=pZN8btwMpLgjixZ3bSgBLkPc2dHv0sfFlFkfg7lP/rTVpk3TxwoL1E60HVJ3St7j73 Pui3uoo2iNDkgOCl4q7XdziCfhO6/NXcm33lDTsjG41b6XBBYmobmCcic31L8YCBlqGc K9TM4TKGh07uzc7da8aKB1//H77erxXYGQhfSe612KYC7tebb4ssA9/s+bt2bax8V1N1 9WTQWNqwnIE5zKr86+3+RCoWE1Jma0VS71UjA3Lcg6XZHPBwNAOPEu1k0vjwDS+ofxKR ZUYW4t18o3RnkMQRto2NWSHX63ulxL2e3NOnFri/yK99Fzr11VU/wnkA0bXnt6HIr6/b rhcA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=0CmpfFWDZEN8wBuCAKHNdvLYKhmv4K9gfaRrYobSi6Y=; b=qHcikDxb1Oj5pRboewIz4cXJFNJ7vvjSkrQdnDUVSQyGN2W812sBcOfpH1tD/++06H S6mbILvW+jjotxFn302Tc3dEum5ovosGBdDtuCkN+DgAahAgJSTKJHExHHR00RrcbGTx gFqYU3GObQnyUJ48MpwdMXKNi+IfG5OUO+2jIj7cLXsrcZImmgg/rlNC9gBZCXGN0PEQ C3EZsGGaxXqkRlOytclqMDpscZYz0vZcKFlpJ9ihwYRuWR0GSYadx8Ff7ii/slhV23Ul yBtnttjEdWypYeUXBh3Hy1lJRMCsU08nFurtLDM/l8IodQCFOw8jTukaDUo4ptR3BpwY P5iQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H2dVQxuOb2sUGliDQfhCABePFpK2irodlZwOA8DKgZETtx05Do6g/UFxSreY3FrYnF9GYJcC/ntUTwO7A== X-Received: by 10.176.18.205 with SMTP id o13mr1091216uac.44.1490173029101; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 01:57:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.159.33.37 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 01:56:28 -0700 (PDT) From: grarpamp Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 04:56:28 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Filtering Against Persistent Firmware Rootkits - BadUSB, HDDHack, UEFI To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 08:57:10 -0000 Over two years ago this "trojans in the firmware" was mentioned. These attacks are real and are in the wild. They are created and used by various hats from adversary to researcher to miscreant... and ultimately can end up passing unwittingly through degrees of separation to and among you and your peers over daily sharing and other physical transactions, use of unaudited application and systems code, dual booting, parking lot attacks, computer labs, libraries, component swapping, etc. Some mitigation may be possible through kernel filtering modes... - Filter and log all known firmware / bios writing opcodes. - Filter and log all opcodes except those required for daily use, such as: read, write, erase unit, inquiry, reset, etc. - Filter and log all opcodes execpt those in some user defined rulesets. Default permit / deny, the usual schemes. In a securelevel, this may provide some resistance and extra steps of defense in depth to attacks that presume they have direct access to firmware without needing to smash the kernel further beyond root (also, root access is foolishly yet often available to users). FreeBSD should consider addressing any oppurtunities to further inhibit these attack vectors. Details via links below. (CC'd to a few lists to promote general awareness. Replies are perhaps best made only to freebsd-security@ .) # CAM - hdd, tape, optical, etc https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/01/iratemonk_nsa_e.html http://spritesmods.com/?art=hddhack http://s3.eurecom.fr/~zaddach/ https://www.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de/users/kurmus/ https://www.malwaretech.com/2015/04/hard-disk-firmware-hacking-part-1.html https://www.malwaretech.com/2015/06/hard-disk-firmware-rootkit-surviving.html http://web.archive.org/web/20150615181236/http://malwaretech.net/MTSBK.pdf https://securelist.com/files/2015/02/Equation_group_questions_and_answers.pdf http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/02/how-omnipotent-hackers-tied-to-the-nsa-hid-for-14-years-and-were-found-at-last/ http://web.archive.org/web/20130228090611/http://www.recover.co.il/SA-cover/SA-cover.pdf http://www.spiegel.de/media/media-35661.pdf # USB https://opensource.srlabs.de/projects/badusb https://github.com/robertfisk/USG/wiki # BIOS, UEFI http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/hacking-team-uses-uefi-bios-rootkit-to-keep-rcs-9-agent-in-target-systems/ http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/meet-badbios-the-mysterious-mac-and-pc-malware-that-jumps-airgaps/ # CPU http://inertiawar.com/microcode/ https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/microcode http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/manuals/64-ia-32-architectures-software-developer-vol-3a-part-1-manual.pdf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology # FreeBSD, UFS - supported https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/01/iratemonk_nsa_e.html http://leaksource.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/nsa-ant-iratemonk.jpg https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/02/swap_nsa_exploi.html http://leaksource.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/nsa-ant-swap.jpg http://leaksource.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/nsa-ant-sierramontana.jpg # various https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_ANT_catalog https://firmwaresecurity.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 22 09:19:48 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B96D1573F; 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When installaing the jail from a prebuilt world via "-m src=...", the installation fails with: [...] make[2]: "/pool/CURRENT/src/share/mk/bsd.compiler.mk" line 145: Unable to determine compiler type for CC=cc -target aarch64-unknown-freebsd12.0 --sysroot=/usr/obj/arm64.aarch64/pool/CURRENT/src/tmp -B/usr/local/aarch64-freebsd/bin/. Consider setting COMPILER_TYPE. *** Error code 1 Stop. make[1]: stopped in /pool/sources/CURRENT/src *** Error code 1 [...] I use the option "-m src=" with all of my jails, where for amd64 the source tree and object tree resides in /usr/src and /usr/obj respectively from a buildworld. For poudriere jails intended to be used for cross building, I checked out the whole CURRENT tree (among 11 and 10) at /pool/CURRENT/src (or /pool/11-STABLE/src or /pool/10.3-RELEASE/src) to keep the main tree clean and intact in case I have to patch too much. The hosting system is a 12-CURRENT as of recent date: 12.0-CURRENT #30 r315698: Wed Mar 22 06:09:40 CET 2017 amd64. Building a "buildworld" for the arm64.aarch64 has been performed successfully via env MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/pool/11-STABLE/obj SRCCONF=/dev/null \ __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TARGET=arm64 make -j12 buildworld After a successful build, there is a object's folder structure /pool/CURRENT/obj/arm64.aarch/ containing (obviosly?) the world without a kernel. Since I use some optimisation flags and special setting in /etc/src.conf and /etc/make.conf, I needed to neutralise those settings and followed the examples and ways I've learned from using NanoBSD. Now, I try to install this world as the base of my arm64.aarch64 jail, which is supposed to build the ports tree for arm64.aarch64 platforms. As a prerequisite, I have already installed the most recent port emulators/qemu-user-static (qemu-user-static-2.8.50.g20170307) and it has been started as a service, as kldstat seems to indicate: kldstat [...] 4 1 0xffffffff81901000 23d0 filemon.ko 5 1 0xffffffff81904000 14fe imgact_binmisc.ko Well, now I try to install the jail: poudriere jail -c -j head-aarch64 -a arm64.aarch64 \ -M /pool/poudriere/jails/head-aarch64 -m src=/pool/CURRENT/src -v head and as a desperate try also with option "-x". But either way, I fail installing the jail with the error shown above. Something is missing and I think, the recommendation of setting the COMPILER_TYPE has a deeper sense here ;-) I tried to google some advices, but I stumbled only over some "simple and easy" advices which lead me to the failure seen above. Maybe nullifying the SRCCONF and __MAKE_CONF isn't a good idea at that point, but I'd like to to await the professionals advice. Thanks in advance, Oliver From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 22 14:14:26 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361FCD17C4E for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 14:14:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-x236.google.com (mail-yw0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3CE31589 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 14:14:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw0-x236.google.com with SMTP id i203so14722233ywc.3 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 07:14:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=SaFhhfsWvz+6YGjrI5OWpAe6AgF21ZsRLjsXaOmYvrs=; b=QnCdYFYQVrVG+V5H4+rkdVdvLDchTOFTcTKzRbUFT2RxIimc9o0e67wcJrcDeB8GrI tAoZTTvBFo8lJPWNvzYXc6WZu3TIR6D5L4MKTNrnRznCKa9WNb8E7c/eAvx6ujB7fg6x jpCKfL/tmeiOeuyolT3/YZmNiV6jZy95NXamvU7Bz+b1l4r44/NVqUIzBNBN5W3BMy4X C5uLNi/vQ3nbc3w+Z2pEZxItxyuxZwJRTNhIRWO2xEf/mGc6Io2MCdr6CzfgfPP+JVPy LrcqxV9rOb5+lmodmf7bt4mtmXBTvbij655TVB1nIgHJQe0btmDGov04ZsJuETw4YZ81 SWjw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=SaFhhfsWvz+6YGjrI5OWpAe6AgF21ZsRLjsXaOmYvrs=; b=b8bTTRCRRdKtLEUHNwwHXig/vkpXVl6SNIbeTerEnMUQ2V9sh+2B54YV7qSaexlGB/ jhHu7LgFKu1hienKTT5Q7M4Umddt4pAKfCarEeMvbfPMo7wl7r344wJfKfxJoKteye30 dn+sb3vgC3xcStVrqASUx+GvPHa4i/ZcNCHjin2ipb77/iGznpHv16sYH+xiNb27g/H9 e2vyZO+sO+W6cHNrbGAm2OO7OZIwtisF5fCIe8QeeEmA9asxKkrr+MMWV0+XeOHIIKbv cI6T4OFqb8RFz7FbRkWjZysB1SDH0J9HE3ScvaaUgyP35ngyFMedWK1ghOPkfkpOR+0e n64g== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H30l4n5WZMSX3YirR8LjH4sCUkJ7XVxyweALBISXPwEF+TZbpd84Mqws9V60xU7ElVB2P2PCis66OuC2A== X-Received: by 10.37.200.4 with SMTP id y4mr26593431ybf.36.1490192064848; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 07:14:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.163.227 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 07:14:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1490162531.1981.62.camel@au.dyndns.ws> References: <1490162531.1981.62.camel@au.dyndns.ws> From: William Dudley Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:14:24 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? To: Wayne Sierke Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 14:14:26 -0000 Turning up the debug level (thanks for pointing out the "code" for that) revealed this message as sendmail starts: STARTTLS: CRLFile missing So I googled that, and found this post (about sendmail on Linux, but the answer seemed generic enough) http://www.linuxweblog.com/blogs/sandip/20071019/starttls-crlfile-missing-resolved So I download all 8Meg of revoke.crl, , put the pointer to the file in hostname.mc, rebuild hostname.cf, and restart sendmail. Mar 22 10:09:31 dudley sm-msp-queue[78358]: starting daemon (8.15.2): queueing@00:30:00 Mar 22 10:09:31 dudley sm-mta[78360]: starting daemon (8.15.2): SMTP+queueing@00:30:00 Mar 22 10:09:31 dudley sm-mta[78360]: STARTTLS=server, Diffie-Hellman init, key=1024 bit (/) Mar 22 10:09:31 dudley sm-mta[78360]: STARTTLS=server, init=1 Mar 22 10:09:31 dudley sm-mta[78360]: started as: /usr/sbin/sendmail -L sm-mta -bd -q30m STILL BROKEN, but now there's no error message to give me a clue what is wrong. telnet localhost 25 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mail.casano.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.15.2/8.15.2; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:10:14 -0400 (EDT) ehlo localhost 250-mail.casano.com Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES 250-PIPELINING 250-8BITMIME 250-SIZE 250-DSN 250-ETRN 250-DELIVERBY 250 HELP quit 221 2.0.0 mail.casano.com closing connection Connection closed by foreign host. Any ideas? Thanks, Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 2:02 AM, Wayne Sierke wrote: > On Tue, 2017-03-21 at 18:57 -0400, William Dudley wrote: > > I've got all the bits that numerous sources say are the correct bits > > (like > > in hostname.mc). > > > > Sendmail in 10.x is able to generate it's OWN certificates. I've let it > do > > just that. > > > > However, sendmail still refuses to announce STARTTLS as a capability. > > > > Surely there must be some way to debug this, instead of just thrashing > > about randomly. > > > > Is there a debug variable in sendmail that I can turn up to see exactly > > what sendmail > > doesn't like about the SSl/TLS stuff? > > Certainly. Increasing the loglevel was suggested on the page that > Matthew linked for you earlier. > > Add this to your .mc: > > define(`confLOG_Level', `14') > > These may help, too: > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/52471/ > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/ > 2012-August/244636.html > > > > > > Failing that, is anyone on this list using self-signed certificates? Do > > you know the EXACT > > sequence of things to do to get this to work? > > > > I have a funny feeling that the "auto-generated" certs created by > sendmail > > don't work if you > > don't have an official cert from Verisign. > > > > Bill Dudley > > > > > > This email is free of malware because I run Linux. > > > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 9:13 AM, William Dudley > wrote: > > > > > > > > The point of this exercise is to allow my Android phone to access my > email > > > on my FreeBSD 10.3 server, using imap. I had it working last year, and > > > then, > > > with nary an error message, it stopped working. So the email client is > > > the native > > > Android email client (on a recent Cyanogen Android). My FreeBSD server > > > runs > > > sendmail, and I've been running my own mail domain for about a decade. > > > > > > My latest guess (and that's all I can do is guess) is that my > self-signed > > > certificates > > > expired, and I just need to re-generate them. All the sources on > sendmail > > > and > > > STARTTLS that I've seen so far show configs identical to my config, so > from > > > this I infer perhaps one or more of my cert files is "bad". > > > > > > stunnel may well be a wonderful program, but I really don't want to > figure > > > out how > > > to specify each of the 500 lines in it's config file, especially when > the > > > software > > > doesn't run successfully with it's own sample config file. > > > > > > Thanks for your time, > > > Bill Dudley > > > > > > > > > This email is free of malware because I run Linux. > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:59 AM, Patrick Mahan > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/19/17 1:07 PM, William Dudley wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I commented out the lines starting with checkHost, and started > stunnel. > > > > > It does start, and runs as a daemon. However, it doesn't seem to > DO > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, that hasn't changed sendmail's behaviour one iota. > > > > > > > > > > As far as I can tell, stunnel is a massive waste of time. > > > > > > > > > > I don't really want to spend months reading all the stunnel docs to > > > > figure out > > > > > > > > > > how to get it to work with sendmail. Sendmail is hard enough on > it's > > > > own, and > > > > > > > > > > I can mostly control sendmail (well, except for the STARTTLS > problem.) > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Bill Dudley > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This email is free of malware because I run Linux. > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 9:53 AM, William Dudley < > wfdudley@gmail.com > > > > > wfdudley@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > stunnel fails to start with this helpful message: > > > > > > > > > > /usr/local/etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf:68: "checkHost = > pop.gmail.com > > > > > ": Specified option name is not valid > here > > > > > > > > > > The line it's complaining about is in the EXAMPLE config file. > > > > > > > > > > So this is not going well, at all. > > > > > > > > > > pop.gmail.com is a valid hostname. I > have > > > > no idea > > > > > > > > > > what stunnel is complaining about. > > > > > > > > > Okay, Let me share what I do. I believe stunnel needs to run on the > same > > > > host > > > > as the sendmail server. > > > > > > > > First, here is some relevant parts from my stunnel config file: > > > > > > > > ; Sample stunnel configuration file by Michal Trojnara 2002-2005 > > > > ; Some options used here may not be adequate for your particular > > > > configuration > > > > ; Please make sure you understand them (especially the effect of > chroot > > > > jail) > > > > > > > > ; Certificate/key is needed in server mode and optional in client > mode > > > > cert = /usr/local/etc/stunnel/sslcerts/stunnel.pem > > > > ;key = /usr/local/etc/stunnel/mail.pem > > > > > > > > ; Some security enhancements for UNIX systems - comment them out on > Win32 > > > > chroot = /var/stunnel/ > > > > setuid = stunnel > > > > setgid = stunnel > > > > ; PID is created inside chroot jail > > > > pid = /stunnel.pid > > > > > > > > ; Some performance tunings > > > > socket = l:TCP_NODELAY=1 > > > > socket = r:TCP_NODELAY=1 > > > > ;compression = rle > > > > > > > > ; Workaround for Eudora bug > > > > ;options = DONT_INSERT_EMPTY_FRAGMENTS > > > > > > > > ; Authentication stuff > > > > verify = 0 > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > ; Some debugging stuff useful for troubleshooting > > > > debug = 7 > > > > output = stunnel.log > > > > > > > > ; Use it for client mode > > > > ;client = yes > > > > > > > > ; Service-level configuration > > > > > > > > [pop3s] > > > > accept = 995 > > > > connect = 110 > > > > > > > > [imaps] > > > > accept = 993 > > > > connect = 143 > > > > > > > > [smtps] > > > > accept = 465 > > > > connect = 25 > > > > > > > > I run dovecot for my imap server which is listening on port 143: > > > > > > > > mahan@ns-/usr/local/etc/stunnel 11 # sockstat | grep 110 > > > > root dovecot 915 22 tcp4 *:110 *:* > > > > > > > > But I connect from my mail clients (ios mail, thunderbird, ...) to > port > > > > 993. The > > > > mail clients are all configured to use ssl/tls, *not* startttl. > > > > > > > > My smtp I connect via stunnel over port 465, not port 25 for sending > mail. > > > > > > > > So what are you trying to accomplish? The idea is for your accessing > > > > these > > > > servers in an encrypted fashion. But from your above description, it > > > > sounds > > > > like you are trying to access your unsecured gmail account using > POP3. > > > > Not > > > > sure why as the connection from stunnel to pop.gmail.com will be > > > > unsecured. > > > > > > > > What email client are you trying to use? > > > > > > > > Patrick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 22 18:03:43 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757C6D173E4 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 18:03:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5986D13D1 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 18:03:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (pool-72-74-34-8.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [72.74.34.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4E33B3F53B for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 14:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <58D2BC7C.80701@sneakertech.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 14:03:40 -0400 From: Quartz MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD questions Subject: Filtering multicast and/or 6to4? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 18:03:43 -0000 So I've tried asking this on -net a couple times, but they're completely ignoring me for whatever reason, so I guess I'll try here instead. After all these years, I'm still not 100% sure I understand multicast and 6to4. I'm trying to figure out when/why/if I should be filtering stuff, and in which direction(s). Is there anyone here who's familiar with this who might be able to help? 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[50.243.4.3]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id p70sm3477676itg.0.2017.03.22.11.16.53 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Mar 2017 11:16:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Filtering Against Persistent Firmware Rootkits - BadUSB, HDDHack, UEFI To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: JD Message-ID: <58D2BF97.3000109@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 12:16:55 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 18:16:55 -0000 It is virtually impossible to guard against firmware rootkits because cpu cannot prevent the card's or device's cpu from from executing that code. This was made known by the malware embedded in disk drives' FW, and other peripherals' FW, such as wifi and graphics, to name a couple. It is possible for such device FW to insert malware into, or modify, the RAM resident OS. Apparently making OS's executable segments "non-writeable" can be gotten around. On 03/22/2017 03:19 AM, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > I have created www.libswd.com and www.iCeDeROM.com for low-level access to > embedded system resources, all developed on FreeBSD :-) Still no interest > from investors/sponsors to support iCeDeROM so I could focus 108% on its > development :-/ > > -- > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 22 19:57:54 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33CA2D18E55 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 19:57:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.rayburn@uriemail.org) Received: from mail-vk0-x22b.google.com (mail-vk0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECF8B172B for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 19:57:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.rayburn@uriemail.org) Received: by mail-vk0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id d188so134353187vka.0 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 12:57:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=uriemail-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=4zFiuDZtlcCH4ai923H4Kb2QspGjAkdj4GhxyYAevHg=; b=L0L8S1KKHCnpXXr0Rcj8fKR4TuEVYEat+G0BfpAU9t8Azbbpq5Z9TJzFBD4rF3C+G1 g6+gm1+NN/AWKzDTpKoJQ8H47ioa+RnxCgRc3jTXVaQ4TARYbtyc9Xv9ztaOPSP5glq2 tfIPsmK0HLPGMqcggOL6EQ4gwl7krNqQZH5vWNaIg39t+Fra8LHeye/+L6cWwgDJvdI1 G/45k71n/oj/zoMuBvjf/h/2AxdyzOBZrWH0DRG2QvYXGiKvbHw9dTOiqdNKaZwOTo+s xQ8I5m7nsdpfBDxTJgMugBTJRq/dh20mz83ueBmRedh9g+8dJ8xd5CCBsEKbSYwMmCQR riJQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=4zFiuDZtlcCH4ai923H4Kb2QspGjAkdj4GhxyYAevHg=; b=oHnFlVt2LlW6X93qZhM8/1RCHzWPqkENxO8KO21gMZZ2sFrW8mml2u8wvA6Qm4bwHt Sm55TwrFrN4mq+U6JNMKwbeOtrBw+eoOGOz7EMEKLuAAKrzQsYB2IF2qhqyg9zlofGBN VsDUV1efzm6hOGdXRZBv2xumlssOYyDJ+3osh+s4HRfE2Mwk5wvri3JWmPC20dqjVQbA I3JuTRhsbS2EtMpLNvVZ0wqVagd26nCsuZIRKcMO3cPtlhBWdCBz9uq3go2wYhBVpkxs skBmuannGf917gXG8CYjub7iNwvLc2rvMt3SgkwGHwHViv84i50+fTpFzLWKzhg/Dvcv nZjQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H3b539i1IkYDqna208BZzlBlVYo8GO6giRMi5IZadvAT6oo5L8psJNiARBEIGElvK8uM9EiIAxw3heNvA== X-Received: by 10.31.234.3 with SMTP id i3mr17898626vkh.36.1490212672464; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 12:57:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.85.140 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 12:57:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary Rayburn Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 20:57:32 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Problems with your website To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 19:57:54 -0000 Good morning, I am writing in connection with slight difficulties I encountered when I tried to access some of the links posted on your website. I have compiled a list of links which are not working properly. Would you like me to send it to you? Thank you, -- Mary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 22 23:12:38 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746AFD18C01; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 23:12:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk0-x244.google.com (mail-vk0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FC0317C0; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 23:12:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk0-x244.google.com with SMTP id j64so17376253vkg.0; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 16:12:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=J4yAAyNGmVYThYlbDvizeJDSZR5kVFHNArcr3ArW2dE=; b=cCNZTAZr+miW4WCw12CgeCa6gr/86/LehyriCtiSWi5fDPvzoY7rsY7xSwuJTLbuMV lQau7ooK8pEkXzyspVu19WYbrVUVvljj5uT2O4zEtZOSo0iSfCdvR68m7mTC+bEul/3z iU1TJ8S87RRhRXzQoWxYmX+vUlrS1UFAOlHtKOSyIrwXq2nTA1LJc/VH1+UA15TIbXRB k31EAr9F/ehvcyEOc0jqzPI+Vb1m/dA0jv1ClGVisXSzh72J0Axyn9218HjlQAkDcXVl M1I3lSRLPx74duJqhXGa9G/gT4NvF4wmhdMrElW7i3f3COpb/pFHl5FF0YrjoLZRVisD uWtQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=J4yAAyNGmVYThYlbDvizeJDSZR5kVFHNArcr3ArW2dE=; b=steE8h4bRgqjRsrN1QxDmZIiNNMEuh7tLiu5Bd9vePKRpSJponQ2qAKYvcPmxSSipF LHx3jk39B7XZSI1cY05wDTge1DG3SQwKz/meuVIdbuX8JXLdBYtjA0ooEMga/d7LhKOK sjwdC6r5EmtWn3xKsAiJC6BLMnSe84DXX/VOvLafurPeOJonD690+3g0VbuN5ZPi5crM V0lqS5fHDouaNAMDXKTln7n1Jvuca3a0Y7mhB+ExcrPbdbqzWKvUzLcoTxxPezEaCUsN vY/l6GAUeJSt2gFq6WT7Vv+IjCnKXEh5mdOsyJo6PvxH6KSZKenTL2ApaxAttz1ehBaZ R2ZA== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H1Nok8Gx8kU5gWUkkY7gwcrbXtCSvWXGOqgr5bZ/BziCIbW7dE5Iz/RNDCHi8ML20uUZjspjmsr2RxlzQ== X-Received: by 10.176.91.87 with SMTP id v23mr15252195uae.90.1490224356990; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 16:12:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.159.33.37 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 16:11:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: grarpamp Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 19:11:56 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Filtering Against Persistent Firmware Rootkits - BadUSB, HDDHack, UEFI To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 23:12:38 -0000 > It is virtually impossible to guard against firmware rootkits because > cpu cannot prevent the card's or device's cpu from from executing that code. > This was made known by the malware embedded in disk drives' FW, and > other peripherals' FW, such as wifi and graphics, to name a couple. > It is possible for such device FW to insert malware into, > or modify, the RAM resident OS. > Apparently making OS's executable segments "non-writeable" can be gotten > around. There are two very different write directions involved... HW -> OS / SW ... Yes, as above, you're screwed. SW -> OS -> HW ... However, as before, you can add kernel filters to further help prevent software from writing the screwed firmware to your hardware in the first place. 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To: William Dudley , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Jim Ohlstein Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 20:18:10 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 00:18:15 -0000 Hello, On 3/18/17 6:44 PM, William Dudley wrote: > A google search does not reveal a useful answer. > > I just want to use a self-signed certificate so I can get my email from my > FreeBSD mail server to my cell phone. My FreeBSD server runs sendmail. > I don't really want to switch to postfix, qmail, etc. etc. > I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you after all this time and effort, but AFAIK Sendmail speaks neither POP3 nor IMAP so you cannot use it as an MDA. You can use it to *send* email from your phone, but not to retrieve it. You also can use it to forward mails to another email address from which you can retrieve it, of that's what you want. If you want to retrieve emails using your phone's email client, you will need an MDA. I use mail/dovecot2. I know that you do not want to install a different MTA, but after all this effort I'd suggest trying Exim. TLS is supported out of the box (in the default ports/packages configuration) and is extremely easy to configure [1]. You can use Dovecot authorization [2] with Exim, killing two birds with one stone. [1] http://www.exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/ch-encrypted_smtp_connections_using_tlsssl.html - see Section 6 [2] http://wiki2.dovecot.org/HowTo/EximAndDovecotSASL -- Jim Ohlstein "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." - Mark Twain From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 00:32:15 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B634D1658D for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 00:32:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-x22f.google.com (mail-yw0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCA1A97E for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 00:32:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id i203so22675390ywc.3 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 17:32:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=oTfV0/PpklRis0WXjjExnGTqDH+NWivhsvxKsjpb9ww=; b=UxaD0YqQYwhDU9keStPdgi83X4BNB01Scjnn3D32Hums58O8D2PjXTpwnySKKE3G/G NW0qNqkdWzeUunW21/8qWglDF9n/18MxLIhDwntX82RGM74/cDN/bzkEua7lZtYqqTO9 SnyPZORszVf0XbUdW2Gm6bqQwVFFEdoTemMVq8rK46JMfX31Y4MwpDXKSqAp4xwAbqCs XkE0touYXtmicpsPM5YmZoIo3lK2bF+w1a4y5JsQCOceubuGMytqoaihRLFtY2sMXize T0fSDN6Plpz9JC7oAdJcXvPLPePgEJZEJZWB6uuNXX2FvjTm6p9symrHAcn7riO2F7lu xAVA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=oTfV0/PpklRis0WXjjExnGTqDH+NWivhsvxKsjpb9ww=; b=PnXX61sRq7vIl0VxcfMNzdcGfVs4/AYqBHmprJl/UVRLlaVKTD5arFH6PYivH8dm8M 1Y26017WwFgpwd68ICSnCFNa7VOmfbfy+4mcb9w3lM3C+ConlYm/gV1T9GS9PQfRtF1t Uk7IlDiCCs9uqvAe7v8aK8kn6/xrACXq2ckc/SsYFznxKHpNiMRID3q6jBm5O63MsQlM PGC94p3vcYzNf3IuSmkX3qgpFQ/X9HxTbyUoyCbtRGbrNr/Vh0QLhSRxST+dQmgBYATt 77i01C4U9Z9qfrsg6efTZG/FljqfgGj8VAWEv2NkZXmT//NaJeETQOJ8cxmX1NOUdXOZ aaBQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H1Zdhsk+nhZSa/7rw/CirHZ35tMvAP7juPRzjQbfdJJvg3gIbDfnUPQnPDitvNxmnltg5ktq9GkhnYgKA== X-Received: by 10.13.221.19 with SMTP id g19mr24784866ywe.21.1490229133856; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 17:32:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.163.227 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 17:32:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: William Dudley Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 20:32:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? To: Jim Ohlstein Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 00:32:15 -0000 I have news for you. Unless this feature was just removed from sendmail/FreeBSD, it should work. It WAS WORKING until November 2016. Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote: > Hello, > > On 3/18/17 6:44 PM, William Dudley wrote: > >> A google search does not reveal a useful answer. >> >> I just want to use a self-signed certificate so I can get my email from my >> FreeBSD mail server to my cell phone. My FreeBSD server runs sendmail. >> I don't really want to switch to postfix, qmail, etc. etc. >> >> > I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you after all this time and effort, > but AFAIK Sendmail speaks neither POP3 nor IMAP so you cannot use it as an > MDA. You can use it to *send* email from your phone, but not to retrieve > it. You also can use it to forward mails to another email address from > which you can retrieve it, of that's what you want. > > If you want to retrieve emails using your phone's email client, you will > need an MDA. I use mail/dovecot2. > > I know that you do not want to install a different MTA, but after all this > effort I'd suggest trying Exim. TLS is supported out of the box (in the > default ports/packages configuration) and is extremely easy to configure > [1]. You can use Dovecot authorization [2] with Exim, killing two birds > with one stone. > > [1] http://www.exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/ch- > encrypted_smtp_connections_using_tlsssl.html - see Section 6 > > [2] http://wiki2.dovecot.org/HowTo/EximAndDovecotSASL > > -- > Jim Ohlstein > > > "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the > difference." - Mark Twain > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 01:36:54 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5189FD18043 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 01:36:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jim@ohlste.in) Received: from mail-qt0-x234.google.com (mail-qt0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 096321B9C for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 01:36:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jim@ohlste.in) Received: by mail-qt0-x234.google.com with SMTP id r45so164351943qte.3 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 18:36:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ohlste-in.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4n3dtKdMri2OlBbLNiPT9pkhOnmIApZRXUR/SPqgRmg=; b=tJ/UFR3wmnNywHweMqZlytf1vi6AZglWRi5bVneILzLy388VAkqUosMeip5sxmR69W zFtSdBIKERR90Xgxe3Yjq+1SZDhiVrbk+bVUNoAX+VMk18Ourep48kdG+hFVl42UnAVN Fd8FZNhlktZNtj+NqiPLe1r7ehptn/q2Etakf7elYMh4fkx3md8sVcFobQsb5oq4IpuU hjOCq6WT9g9TIBmvmtomYfx+1RoCN7j/Eabil5815fEzGM+Fy9QyVzjcq1ypyTJsfrSU mQK9QnYzUb6YjIaBbLNZWWUG36rF8jS8grL07idaFjvvK7zPgnRWojKar1oTKqkxYB+P qzZA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4n3dtKdMri2OlBbLNiPT9pkhOnmIApZRXUR/SPqgRmg=; b=pRQ20MY2Dkg+DEwXGnGYXR7dVtTCcDHdXRJJwLrCLxaLn4iFyJIAo+YyElbMTqzJVZ yubKHN2ukzA2XyqeYknUb1x02wtlK3OKXRXiiZlhSy3lJIaGHnf2ogg7B+MHjdeohtXN hH+xSHjTesPXsd+RTAZm66O7Qk1UaDHrkodWct6F/ELollJwPIeXcw15cJ+/YUYRbeH9 SlW+gQicradMhrLp+MOE2IHORf1Hruz74B8VS1K7BQ7SC4troeCSl3LAre/Yp5xnMQEA r65+0LBWJ0MGTckiM+nvzxD8T+SSgQtcpGyJn7vsSBDiuMsKOgI2YQzaA71mPpFlGXmi elOw== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H2zYedJwbJXvRxLNOek5j4yJm4BNcc/C9gWbS8tOQezKwaPpd0SDdxVgGj5kqbjeA== X-Received: by 10.237.42.21 with SMTP id c21mr39133023qtd.11.1490233012947; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 18:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (pool-108-39-64-29.nrflva.fios.verizon.net. [108.39.64.29]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id y52sm2233232qty.60.2017.03.22.18.36.51 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Mar 2017 18:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? To: William Dudley References: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Jim Ohlstein Message-ID: <378051e6-d075-c00c-066d-e6240583ea59@ohlste.in> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 21:36:51 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 01:36:54 -0000 Hello, On 3/22/17 8:32 PM, William Dudley wrote: > I have news for you. Unless this feature was just removed from > sendmail/FreeBSD, it should > work. It WAS WORKING until November 2016. That would be news. I guess you have a super Sendmail that listens for and accepts POP3(s)/IMAP(s) connections. That would be interesting since Sendmail is an SMTP(s) server. I won't bother you again since you are clearly more knowledgeable than I. > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Jim Ohlstein > wrote: > > Hello, > > On 3/18/17 6:44 PM, William Dudley wrote: > > A google search does not reveal a useful answer. > > I just want to use a self-signed certificate so I can get my > email from my > FreeBSD mail server to my cell phone. My FreeBSD server runs > sendmail. > I don't really want to switch to postfix, qmail, etc. etc. > > > I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you after all this time and > effort, but AFAIK Sendmail speaks neither POP3 nor IMAP so you > cannot use it as an MDA. You can use it to *send* email from your > phone, but not to retrieve it. You also can use it to forward mails > to another email address from which you can retrieve it, of that's > what you want. > > If you want to retrieve emails using your phone's email client, you > will need an MDA. I use mail/dovecot2. > > I know that you do not want to install a different MTA, but after > all this effort I'd suggest trying Exim. TLS is supported out of the > box (in the default ports/packages configuration) and is extremely > easy to configure [1]. You can use Dovecot authorization [2] with > Exim, killing two birds with one stone. > > [1] > http://www.exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/ch-encrypted_smtp_connections_using_tlsssl.html > > - see Section 6 > > [2] http://wiki2.dovecot.org/HowTo/EximAndDovecotSASL > > > -- > Jim Ohlstein > > > "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the > difference." - Mark Twain > > -- Jim Ohlstein "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." - Mark Twain From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 01:41:11 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872BDD18359 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 01:41:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces+1195896.61105867.447635@icpbounce.com) Received: from drone22.ral.icpbounce.com (drone22.ral.icpbounce.com [74.202.227.60]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F98AE for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 01:41:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces+1195896.61105867.447635@icpbounce.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; s=default; d=icontactmail1.com; h=Mime-Version:From:To:Date:Reply-To:Subject:List-Unsubscribe:Feedback-ID:Content-Type:Message-ID; bh=qI9Tm4n8Wpw+CTT0YA3UdEAq38VfZCqO1qEpwahBj7M=; b=UmFAwl7EElP6LUBpSZDB4ML6kSWcN1GePrI0rNCDdhmfx9amKo0EWO367A20BYI26MHeziqDopOs zMHjiXHPzVioDj0fJk4QqKvnGY/bB7NIKEXM+nolRu4Nut9dE2rlz2n4lQ0ZfbTHRd6C41jUkZIf JpZuZP5FK+g0DCj0/J0= Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Jason Tan" To: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 21:21:04 -0400 Reply-To: jason@eminence-events.com Subject: First Time In Singapore - Virtual Reality And Experiential Marketing Errors-To: bounces+1195896.61105867.447635@icpbounce.com X-List-Unsubscribe: X-Unsubscribe-Web: Feedback-ID: 1195896_23989_447635:1195896_23989:1195896:icontact X-ICPINFO: X-Return-Path-Hint: bounces+1195896.61105867.447635@icpbounce.com Message-ID: <0.0.64.E1.1D2A373BDB742B2.0@drone22.ral.icpbounce.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset = "utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 01:41:11 -0000 =C3=82 if you cannot read this email, please click here Eminence Events =C3=82 >From The UK, A One Day Virtual Reality And Experiential Marketing Workshop APRIL 19th, Wednesday Direct from the UK, Eminence Events presents Singapore=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99s f= irst experiential and virtual reality Masterclass. 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In my next mail. *PS2*: I found your site using Google search and after having a look over your website I recommend you to implement future technologies such as *HTML= 5 and Responsive Design* to make your site more accessible in mobile phone, tablets, desktop etc.+ [image: beacon] From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 02:41:56 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31279D18ED0 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 02:41:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-x22b.google.com (mail-yw0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E22751CF for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 02:41:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id i203so23883217ywc.3 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 19:41:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=S7p/AcVQvkrLIT+EPF+koiZU8CEyh6XLlVgLDrSGxSI=; b=HMFQv9v3k/ksU90mDoGubeb6bpUpo/GVGDYO7gGGBbKfsfS+K9hyIgDsZUZYfHBk9a o0WXo0giMGnF633YHoHS3rgbAtmXfuB2yEBjAH7E3oasz2tkD8xeynLJPjJopSINRv04 DoQj7m/FziO7m87mfvoD+d4cQBhBqknEdpSjJwukOfmASAeH2azLdzoKnopcDUkIQMQS 5UQBqQDFYL00ghBeoooBjY31bzHtWZMMYCJILA7kCONFk0mEiX9fK90AORNtI3DSkI3a 2n/BgkmVuw7s+xv3fRqxsybLVmasmV3p9FmwUNsPRsrm5O/gmRE2QRjdxZcZpTrPKQUn HlUg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=S7p/AcVQvkrLIT+EPF+koiZU8CEyh6XLlVgLDrSGxSI=; b=kOGfQRD56ihx+rz1X7COg0Vn2g0U39kWPoN+Rdq4cCSXGUwfE8zeIzfL28fT+TinQz RjyXYh+NU452PXTbfN+BIRaOjPtlNPQ1hsJCksGtM1CXk330n29w7/vjl2NP9qHRryY0 pS0S9kB/CWAwrTuD5iDaMT7uGn/hxmSGIu+BqfXcs+DLAdQfvBYt6dTWqdHbLhkJ5XKI yW8fg7+uIDSPxXyUADtNLbnRrGqpZO2UpaqqAi9mNPZDVuFm8kGmTYHviYDkC7eNzlOk Zj6WMHZMmT+FaBsESMmfU678WH3xvJQ1TUph4ISdfUi08cK3AOvN4NPdbAa5rP9THCPd bIFg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H3x8Vakycp3CdLppDY/5pp2/z3wn8FXukCfCtB1UoGuKAYPeRmp6hxycDaHPxoNk2Ny4p62Yhdm8hVwHg== X-Received: by 10.13.221.19 with SMTP id g19mr116346ywe.21.1490236915057; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 19:41:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.163.227 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 19:41:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <378051e6-d075-c00c-066d-e6240583ea59@ohlste.in> References: <378051e6-d075-c00c-066d-e6240583ea59@ohlste.in> From: William Dudley Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 22:41:54 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? To: Jim Ohlstein Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 02:41:56 -0000 There's another layer in there, popd or imapd or whatever, but the point is, I've been using sendmail on FreeBSD for at least a decade. I had STARTTLS working with sendmail just last year. So your assertion that I have to run some other MTA could not be true. But thanks for your time. I welcome all suggestions, even ones that don't pan out. Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote: > Hello, > > On 3/22/17 8:32 PM, William Dudley wrote: > >> I have news for you. Unless this feature was just removed from >> sendmail/FreeBSD, it should >> work. It WAS WORKING until November 2016. >> > > That would be news. I guess you have a super Sendmail that listens for and > accepts POP3(s)/IMAP(s) connections. That would be interesting since > Sendmail is an SMTP(s) server. I won't bother you again since you are > clearly more knowledgeable than I. > > > >> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Jim Ohlstein > > wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> On 3/18/17 6:44 PM, William Dudley wrote: >> >> A google search does not reveal a useful answer. >> >> I just want to use a self-signed certificate so I can get my >> email from my >> FreeBSD mail server to my cell phone. My FreeBSD server runs >> sendmail. >> I don't really want to switch to postfix, qmail, etc. etc. >> >> >> I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you after all this time and >> effort, but AFAIK Sendmail speaks neither POP3 nor IMAP so you >> cannot use it as an MDA. You can use it to *send* email from your >> phone, but not to retrieve it. You also can use it to forward mails >> to another email address from which you can retrieve it, of that's >> what you want. >> >> If you want to retrieve emails using your phone's email client, you >> will need an MDA. I use mail/dovecot2. >> >> I know that you do not want to install a different MTA, but after >> all this effort I'd suggest trying Exim. TLS is supported out of the >> box (in the default ports/packages configuration) and is extremely >> easy to configure [1]. You can use Dovecot authorization [2] with >> Exim, killing two birds with one stone. >> >> [1] >> http://www.exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/ch- >> encrypted_smtp_connections_using_tlsssl.html >> > ch-encrypted_smtp_connections_using_tlsssl.html> >> - see Section 6 >> >> [2] http://wiki2.dovecot.org/HowTo/EximAndDovecotSASL >> >> >> -- >> Jim Ohlstein >> >> >> "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the >> difference." - Mark Twain >> >> >> > -- > Jim Ohlstein > > > "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the > difference." - Mark Twain > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 03:25:15 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BEEAD19E88 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 03:25:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jim@ohlste.in) Received: from mail-qt0-x22e.google.com (mail-qt0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE5B2B67 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 03:25:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jim@ohlste.in) Received: by mail-qt0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id r45so165638678qte.3 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 20:25:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ohlste-in.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=9BqqcZ69hU8ByQ5OQbPTN8DruKe+SGmkRW69p5MvZ24=; b=YyzGjQXJB5q/jmn+s6jlmSM+nJMjO/MiO6nJbgsfqrKxCKM5Qm0SI4HB0V5ir7Syqt LlLV1BL3u6AvW6qEzNdCnLLR60e2jut51By6DCnvZr/NdXCP4xxSLKyAfOjxNG8RrIqV kmsU88921hf+FTdjtfij5Do4eH3R8vS+rxzsMB6afoknAzdVgH8Fj0+Geo0InjhKnAF0 3SkQVEvRDXF4deqIls84xEPrcbOQwpE2tMoHC9CdjjBhBeVlBf8zU0PeDe0wndugjWxN tuWC+5OpkGHDFbIoh8bkTaEc0V9WYUecANxqUwt7FJlFttoQH06zeaK8oG286atoW5OZ eSjg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=9BqqcZ69hU8ByQ5OQbPTN8DruKe+SGmkRW69p5MvZ24=; b=rh5Lo2QJW9YqCPMKIN187i4acbiavWd7q9zjMhBdmFWocbAGLUjOrSPW9PQf1JsBQa couhv3D5YD3gJY7TAOEfwDKsNzMluxqRDo7sl9JIK8KAlGt+OQZwdp2lWlmA5Ek6lfxB h4LqnXT2TjcyoxSQ4HzWReeNvYG/QZdwEJZQ7XmurAhyuw05SDHugb4rnOfRMoKtuIgL jmuyVH8WCmswsrozRJ5oaNko480yXcEetSOZffDg2zj0ZYFHj0ufij6BEqSLZujAZA5o sXmu1WWMfiM4XshldUBLyFAO3QPqtb4iEI71t5d005XEJD/m+wodYfh84fJ2N+NQfNER EU1g== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H0Mzpi/i4hOI4VtnXEra7uHRCEBIpJdq+JGLdyP6Tny1YaxcqDM0qW/kv79+CSRKg== X-Received: by 10.200.44.57 with SMTP id d54mr299473qta.59.1490239513720; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 20:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-108-39-64-29.nrflva.fios.verizon.net. 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From: Jim Ohlstein X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14D27) In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 23:25:11 -0400 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <8CDAF29F-034A-4BC5-8727-4EC0B39331F6@ohlste.in> References: <378051e6-d075-c00c-066d-e6240583ea59@ohlste.in> To: William Dudley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 03:25:15 -0000 Your entire question is ridiculous since Sendmail will never be useful for r= etrieving email from a remote server. Ever. To do that you need a POP/IMAP s= erver. That was my point. Still is.=20 I only suggested you consider another agent since this one is proving diffic= ult for you to configure. I never said you "had to" do anything, but you wil= l need more than Sendmail to use your phone's email client.=20 But keep going, you're doing great.=20 Jim Ohlstein > On Mar 22, 2017, at 10:41 PM, William Dudley wrote: >=20 > There's another layer in there, popd or imapd or whatever, but the point i= s, I've been > using sendmail on FreeBSD for at least a decade. I had STARTTLS working w= ith sendmail > just last year. So your assertion that I have to run some other MTA could= not be true. >=20 > But thanks for your time. I welcome all suggestions, even ones that don't= pan out. >=20 > Bill Dudley >=20 >=20 > This email is free of malware because I run Linux. >=20 >> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote: >> Hello, >>=20 >>> On 3/22/17 8:32 PM, William Dudley wrote: >>> I have news for you. Unless this feature was just removed from >>> sendmail/FreeBSD, it should >>> work. It WAS WORKING until November 2016. >>=20 >> That would be news. I guess you have a super Sendmail that listens for an= d accepts POP3(s)/IMAP(s) connections. That would be interesting since Sendm= ail is an SMTP(s) server. I won't bother you again since you are clearly mor= e knowledgeable than I. >>=20 >>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Jim Ohlstein >> > wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hello, >>>=20 >>> On 3/18/17 6:44 PM, William Dudley wrote: >>>=20 >>> A google search does not reveal a useful answer. >>>=20 >>> I just want to use a self-signed certificate so I can get my >>> email from my >>> FreeBSD mail server to my cell phone. My FreeBSD server runs >>> sendmail. >>> I don't really want to switch to postfix, qmail, etc. etc. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you after all this time and >>> effort, but AFAIK Sendmail speaks neither POP3 nor IMAP so you >>> cannot use it as an MDA. You can use it to *send* email from your >>> phone, but not to retrieve it. You also can use it to forward mails >>> to another email address from which you can retrieve it, of that's >>> what you want. >>>=20 >>> If you want to retrieve emails using your phone's email client, you >>> will need an MDA. I use mail/dovecot2. >>>=20 >>> I know that you do not want to install a different MTA, but after >>> all this effort I'd suggest trying Exim. TLS is supported out of the= >>> box (in the default ports/packages configuration) and is extremely >>> easy to configure [1]. You can use Dovecot authorization [2] with >>> Exim, killing two birds with one stone. >>>=20 >>> [1] >>> http://www.exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/ch-encrypte= d_smtp_connections_using_tlsssl.html >>> >>> - see Section 6 >>>=20 >>> [2] http://wiki2.dovecot.org/HowTo/EximAndDovecotSASL >>> >>>=20 >>> -- >>> Jim Ohlstein >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the >>> difference." - Mark Twain >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Jim Ohlstein >>=20 >>=20 >> "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the differenc= e." - Mark Twain >=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 05:19:54 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B0FD190B7 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 05:19:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Asha.R2@netapp.com) Received: from mx143.netapp.com (mx143.netapp.com [216.240.21.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mx141.netapp.com", Issuer "Entrust Certification Authority - L1K" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E05F11E66 for ; 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Thanks Asha From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 06:30:42 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDAE2D19E2F for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 06:30:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6754161A for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 06:30:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References: In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=3MLqYpOk001C9Eox3rYrqQ1+XxnHPvje2JUurGRVu6s=; b=pwjxg4BekoaKliH9reL4C2d54o T4iG32b79qeyuumwJelk7qE/eB/rC999OIEYEPDi+7RDK6ez2PPdWEblk6Gz8dMMZRUsj1jt7QxVT bRcQPZTPAJeCRJeXDBAg4+HfFJWIc+RDdomr/g8JHOVQBCN/VWblaXrdwUZ5bLS2RHC8=; Received: from [114.125.102.201] (port=37176 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.88) (envelope-from ) id 1cqwGW-001J7d-VZ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 00:30:33 -0600 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:30:27 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: "R, Asha" Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Query on Erlang OTP Message-ID: <20170323143027.0b3e1aaf@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Authenticated-Sender: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 06:30:42 -0000 Hi, On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 05:19:25 +0000 "R, Asha" wrote: > I am student working on a project based on VerneMQ and I am new to > FreeBSD and Erlang. I am trying to compile Erlang OTP on FreeBSD but > I am not finding the package for download and installation from > GitHub. > > Could you please help me with this? > this is what FreeBSD has in stock for erlang: ll -d /usr/ports/lang/erlang* Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 12:03:14 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CBC3D18483 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:03:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.home.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org", Issuer "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D356C16D6 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:03:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.home.qeng-ho.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v2NC34cN052433; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:03:04 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Subject: Re: Query on Erlang OTP To: "R, Asha" , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" References: From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: <4f1d8dad-52bf-2292-a485-5cd03c394579@qeng-ho.org> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:03:04 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:03:14 -0000 On 23/03/2017 05:19, R, Asha wrote: > I am student working on a project based on VerneMQ and I am new to > FreeBSD and Erlang. I am trying to compile Erlang OTP on FreeBSD but > I am not finding the package for download and installation from > GitHub. > > Could you please help me with this? I'm presuming you have superuser (aka Admin) rights on the machine you're working on in the following. Erlang works fine on FreeBSD. I use Elixir which is based over the Erlang VM and runtime. You install Erlang from the lang/erlang port, not directly from Github. If you're not familiar with the FreeBSD ports and packages system, take a look at the Handbook starting here https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html As a quick summary, ports are source code you compile yourself, pkgs are precompiled ports with a standard set of options made available by the FreeBSD developers. (The rest of the Handbook is worth reading as well if you are new to FreeBSD.) As you're just starting out, I suggest you use the pkg system. This can be as simple as pkg install lang/erlang for the basic system. There are lots of Erlang related ports available as well. This URL https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=erlang&stype=all shows a rather overwhelming list of Erlang related ports. If you hit problems, come back to this mailing list. People round here are generally happy to help beginners. -- By June 1949, people had begun to realize that it was not so easy to get a program right as had at one time appeared. It was on one of my journeys between the EDSAC room and the punching equipment that the realization came over me with full force that a good part of the remainder of my life was going to be spent in finding errors in my own programs. -- Maurice Wilkes From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 12:11:42 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2DDD186FF for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:11:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FB3A1B1C for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:11:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [2.247.252.9] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cr1aX-0005f5-8z for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:11:33 +0100 Received: from localhost.my.domain (c720-r314251 [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id v2NCBUeU003842 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:11:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id v2NCBONa003841 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:11:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:11:24 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: geli USB key and a copy of this in file system Message-ID: <20170323121124.GA3771@c720-r314251> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.0 (2017-02-23) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 2.247.252.9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:11:43 -0000 Hello, I have some secrets stored on an USB key which is crypted with geli(8) that way: making a geli-USB stick: # geli init -s 2048 /dev/da0 Enter new passphrase: Reenter new passphrase: # geli attach /dev/da0 Enter passphrase: # dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/da0.eli bs=1m # newfs /dev/da0.eli ... the secret files itself within the /dev/da0.eli filesystem are ciphered with GnuPG and the USB key is stored at home in a save place. To carry a copy with me on my laptop, I have a copy of the USB key as a file 'geli.dd' which can be used the same way, i.e. MD=`mdconfig -a -t vnode -f geli.dd` || exit 1 echo attaching ${MD} and mounting /dev/${MD}.eli echo ${MD} > /tmp/geli geli attach ${MD} || { mdconfig -d -u ${MD} exit 1 } mount /dev/${MD}.eli /priv ls -l /priv ... Ofc, this is only to have read access to the data (or store something temporarily to copy it later to the primary place, the USB geli partition ond the key). My question is: Is there any concern about the security of the data stored in 'geli.dd', for example in case of laptop teft or lost? Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, ⌂ http://www.unixarea.de/ ☎ +49-176-38902045 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 12:21:22 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289A5D18BD3 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:21:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.home.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org", Issuer "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0A6B1FA1 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:21:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.home.qeng-ho.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v2NCLHEn052533; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:21:17 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? To: Jim Ohlstein , William Dudley References: <378051e6-d075-c00c-066d-e6240583ea59@ohlste.in> <8CDAF29F-034A-4BC5-8727-4EC0B39331F6@ohlste.in> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:21:17 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8CDAF29F-034A-4BC5-8727-4EC0B39331F6@ohlste.in> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:21:22 -0000 On 23/03/2017 03:25, Jim Ohlstein wrote: > Your entire question is ridiculous since Sendmail will never be > useful for retrieving email from a remote server. Ever. To do that > you need a POP/IMAP server. That was my point. Still is. If you'd been paying attention you'd have noticed lines in his mail like > telnet localhost 25 which is rather a clue that he's talking about the sending side rather than the receiving side. > I only suggested you consider another agent since this one is > proving difficult for you to configure. I never said you "had to" do > anything, but you will need more than Sendmail to use your phone's > email client. I'm sure he's aware of this, but is having problems *sending* mail securely via SMTP and sendmail. > But keep going, you're doing great. Quite possibly a little better than some other people. [Much snippage] >>> "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." - Mark Twain [Except for that. :-)] -- By June 1949, people had begun to realize that it was not so easy to get a program right as had at one time appeared. It was on one of my journeys between the EDSAC room and the punching equipment that the realization came over me with full force that a good part of the remainder of my life was going to be spent in finding errors in my own programs. -- Maurice Wilkes From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 13:16:45 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32227D18902 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:16:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E1A91CF9 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:16:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id v2NDGVHL012705; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 00:16:32 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 00:16:31 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: William Dudley cc: Jim Ohlstein , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20170323233742.R95579@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:16:45 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 668, Issue 5, Message: 12 On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 22:41:54 -0400 William Dudley wrote: OK, I'll join in this messy top-posting orgy, rearranged somewhat and including some bits pasted in from earlier posts. I've been reading these - not carefully enough - without being able to put my finger on what weird thing is going on here until Jim pointed out the obvious: > >> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Jim Ohlstein >> > wrote: > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> On 3/18/17 6:44 PM, William Dudley wrote: > >> > >> A google search does not reveal a useful answer. > >> > >> I just want to use a self-signed certificate so I can get my > >> email from my > >> FreeBSD mail server to my cell phone. My FreeBSD server runs > >> sendmail. > >> I don't really want to switch to postfix, qmail, etc. etc. > >> > >> > >> I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you after all this time and > >> effort, but AFAIK Sendmail speaks neither POP3 nor IMAP so you > >> cannot use it as an MDA. You can use it to *send* email from your > >> phone, but not to retrieve it. You also can use it to forward mails > >> to another email address from which you can retrieve it, of that's > >> what you want. > >> > >> If you want to retrieve emails using your phone's email client, you > >> will need an MDA. I use mail/dovecot2. And earlier, William, you'd stated: : I just want to use a self-signed certificate so I can get my email : from my FreeBSD mail server to my cell phone. My FreeBSD server runs : sendmail. and more specifically: : The point of this exercise is to allow my Android phone to access my : email on my FreeBSD 10.3 server, using imap. I had it working last : year, and then, with nary an error message, it stopped working. So : the email client is the native Android email client (on a recent : Cyanogen Android). My FreeBSD server runs sendmail, and I've been : running my own mail domain for about a decade. "Using imap", right? Not SMTP, which your Android client will use to SEND mail to your/any SMTP server, but IMAP (or POP3 if you prefer), which means picking up from an IMAP (and/or POP3) server, right? Jim is absolutely right here: sendmail does not talk IMAP, nor POP3. It receives messages from other SMTP servers, or clients, and sends to other SMTP servers. That's it, ignoring the intermediate submission agent dance. It transmits from its mailqueue, and receives into user's INBOX, from where IMAP/POP3 accesses it. > There's another layer in there, popd or imapd or whatever, but the point > is, I've been > using sendmail on FreeBSD for at least a decade. I had STARTTLS working > with sendmail > just last year. So your assertion that I have to run some other MTA could > not be true. I've been using sendmail since '98, but still don't use STARTTLS, which is why I've steered clear of this topic to date :) Well, is it imapd/popd/popper or whatever? Whatever, that's what your phone will be talking to. Does IT require STARTTLS to deliver mail to your phone? Does your phone require STARTTLS to pickup from a POP/IMAP server - mine sure doesn't. Has anything changed in $whatever's setup, or requirements? I think that's where you should be looking. > But thanks for your time. I welcome all suggestions, even ones that don't > pan out. I suggest acknowledging Jim is correct, and figure out what's wrong with your $whatever. Other contributors including Matthew - whose knowledge is far beyond mine or most people on this subject - perhaps, like me, hadn't twigged that your problem is pick up, NOT sending from sendmail. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 13:39:13 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7CFD1926D for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:39:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jim@ohlste.in) Received: from mail-qt0-x233.google.com (mail-qt0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B53361BC1 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:39:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jim@ohlste.in) Received: by mail-qt0-x233.google.com with SMTP id r45so175154680qte.3 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 06:39:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ohlste-in.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=B6EdhvD/rzVKAfDhH5iHtt3y37Gy82rkor9GfrPRYdk=; b=esapiuF31EXBVfY2s5yrZenDjLa5tsCnJOt4uzQpuBaHRUkMCOTitsvZSvIPcphDdW EJ2vD2PiB9CyS9WW4WTaQoXkQ5Bm50eps4re3HQANCyET0QtGHYQ7HfGeLivizcfCxhX Gsl5rTU8OUEdt8wVKt1CIkVV6g3AL/d1WBJYFW9TZ8ZYmEr9Xn7us/KS/FfcVKvxh7IG 4f3bZY9As1pxmuapqPfZLSpLWRzw2d5y2VLc5CLR1MURr75dzRk65pf4f1MTYP5o6hzy W/wzox4eTutj10L++De9zfo7kkaXU/7c5tbkNokdcCDX6V7dxqvbwBz2OD2SF8v8/j/j AXBg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=B6EdhvD/rzVKAfDhH5iHtt3y37Gy82rkor9GfrPRYdk=; b=d9yE1VqcPtvpI9EenvI1z5PgAmWG5W84UVO/tM/GWdCTlglvxJpk9x0SvQ+dqoLv33 g8K2tkc9qPWLO3Y82B8Shny0f+6sPBvfQ4GPFUPQ1rHnNXSsiNTMlRUK7JzYHuT8UfP/ LsokbDcOn6DraNaXctWnZA5qaDRb7sqI5cGxX3nNL5LqW2izR4KcBrrvBYqd4i0eoqot vezAlIEgFLhVkc8eWc40POrK4tmC3oiVbK4RnHhZ5VH/x7bvLGve9ivLFTv0vAkaz6pP BbrKLY9UyXYy1MFLOVmSRzppvdPA1QfEJ4N99sURnbmy0N0ZuI1Tx/l3AJA8bCXn1wWF q0jg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H2CERTEuXy5b5yJphO1BXrYjdXjOPuzdhM8Hz/nx1Q+ClRN9OqoYejzM+B48yjO0Q== X-Received: by 10.237.53.143 with SMTP id c15mr2208792qte.49.1490276352618; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 06:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (pool-108-39-64-29.nrflva.fios.verizon.net. [108.39.64.29]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id j4sm3248348qkc.40.2017.03.23.06.39.11 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Mar 2017 06:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? To: Arthur Chance , William Dudley References: <378051e6-d075-c00c-066d-e6240583ea59@ohlste.in> <8CDAF29F-034A-4BC5-8727-4EC0B39331F6@ohlste.in> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Jim Ohlstein Message-ID: <2cd77b54-1a7a-3bee-bf4a-1681acda3449@ohlste.in> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 09:39:13 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:39:14 -0000 Hello, On 3/23/17 8:21 AM, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 23/03/2017 03:25, Jim Ohlstein wrote: >> Your entire question is ridiculous since Sendmail will never be >> useful for retrieving email from a remote server. Ever. To do that >> you need a POP/IMAP server. That was my point. Still is. > > If you'd been paying attention you'd have noticed lines in his mail like > >> telnet localhost 25 > > which is rather a clue that he's talking about the sending side rather > than the receiving side. If you'd been paying attention, you'd have noticed lines his initial post to the list (emphasis mine): I just want to use a self-signed certificate so I can *get my email from my FreeBSD mail server to my cell phone*. This is rather a clue that he's talking about the receiving side rather than the sending side. I don't see anything about sending, and from the content of his responses that insisted that it was working for this purpose, and I'm not convinced the issue was not lost on him. I think until last night he was of the belief that he was using Sendmail to retrieve his email. In my first email I informed him that he cannot use Sendmail to retrieve email because Sendmail does not act as a POP3 server or as an IMAP server. His exact response: I have news for you. Unless this feature was just removed from sendmail/FreeBSD, it should work. It WAS WORKING until November 2016. That doesn't sound to me like someone who actually knew the difference. Hopefully he does now. > >> I only suggested you consider another agent since this one is >> proving difficult for you to configure. I never said you "had to" do >> anything, but you will need more than Sendmail to use your phone's >> email client. > > I'm sure he's aware of this, but is having problems *sending* mail > securely via SMTP and sendmail. From where did you glean this? See above. > >> But keep going, you're doing great. > > Quite possibly a little better than some other people. > > [Much snippage] > >>>> "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." - Mark Twain > > [Except for that. :-)] Cute. Rather sophomoric, but still cute. > > -- Jim Ohlstein "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." - Mark Twain From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 13:40:31 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB79D19365 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:40:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E90D1CB2 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:40:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from testbox.news4all.se (testbox.usenet4all.se [10.0.0.3]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id v2NDeKuO008817; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:40:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? To: William Dudley , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Bernt Hansson Message-ID: <14a3d097-b591-47fa-aefc-3d40eeebf5cd@bananmonarki.se> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:40:20 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:40:31 -0000 On 2017-03-18 23:44, William Dudley wrote: > A google search does not reveal a useful answer. > > I just want to use a self-signed certificate so I can get my email from my > FreeBSD mail server to my cell phone. My FreeBSD server runs sendmail. > I don't really want to switch to postfix, qmail, etc. etc. > > Thanks, > Bill Dudley > > Sendmail can not do that. You need some other means to provide that function i.e qpopper spop pop imap or others, there's plenty. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 14:20:41 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA2B7D1A05D for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:20:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52EEB1223 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:20:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from zero-gravitas.local (unknown [85.199.232.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7FC2210CFE for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:20:35 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/7FC2210CFE; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20170323233742.R95579@sola.nimnet.asn.au> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:20:26 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170323233742.R95579@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="07F1CmFhL8oKFX64VQfHwCIKk3vsjTk4m" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:20:41 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --07F1CmFhL8oKFX64VQfHwCIKk3vsjTk4m Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="BSx2vWl2GK6IwOXC8ML8sRRFccnR8ieg9"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? References: <20170323233742.R95579@sola.nimnet.asn.au> In-Reply-To: <20170323233742.R95579@sola.nimnet.asn.au> --BSx2vWl2GK6IwOXC8ML8sRRFccnR8ieg9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2017/03/23 13:16, Ian Smith wrote: > I suggest acknowledging Jim is correct, and figure out what's wrong wit= h=20 > your $whatever. Other contributors including Matthew - whose knowledge= =20 > is far beyond mine or most people on this subject - perhaps, like me,=20 > hadn't twigged that your problem is pick up, NOT sending from sendmail.= I very nearly asked about the relevance of sendmail to the problem at hand, but I came to the conclusion that the OP meant sendmail when he said sendmail, even if he did say 'read' rather than 'send' on one occasi= on. 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To: Matthew Seaman Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:00:09 -0000 Let's assume that I have no idea what I'm talking about. However, I can successfully report what I SEE. 1. Android's mail app wants to use STARTTLS when it connects to my mail server, for whatever reason (send or receive) isn't important now. It wants it, and I want it to be happy, or else it doesn't work. 2. When I telnet to port 25 of my mail server, sendmail does NOT announce STARTTLS as one of it's capabilities. This, despite my having all the incantations *apparently" correct in my hostname.mc, fresh self signed cert and key file in /etc/mail/certs, and various other things that have been suggested/intimated by various sources. It would be nice to solve the problem stated in the Subject of this insanely long thread: Why is my sendmail refusing to announce STARTTLS ? Thanks, Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 2017/03/23 13:16, Ian Smith wrote: > > I suggest acknowledging Jim is correct, and figure out what's wrong with > > your $whatever. Other contributors including Matthew - whose knowledge > > is far beyond mine or most people on this subject - perhaps, like me, > > hadn't twigged that your problem is pick up, NOT sending from sendmail. > > I very nearly asked about the relevance of sendmail to the problem at > hand, but I came to the conclusion that the OP meant sendmail when he > said sendmail, even if he did say 'read' rather than 'send' on one > occasion. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 15:27:27 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61C1D19652 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:27:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7344B19E3 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:27:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from zero-gravitas.local (unknown [85.199.232.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3967F10D49; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:27:22 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/3967F10D49; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? To: William Dudley References: <20170323233742.R95579@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:27:14 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wGbWGSjVgNFTLA7HwFp1aU3DGxuMwJHjx" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:27:27 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --wGbWGSjVgNFTLA7HwFp1aU3DGxuMwJHjx Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="kdfsl1dr8TUnivWEUtNbSG0Dq0Fukq9Px"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: William Dudley Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? References: <20170323233742.R95579@sola.nimnet.asn.au> In-Reply-To: --kdfsl1dr8TUnivWEUtNbSG0Dq0Fukq9Px Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2017/03/23 15:00, William Dudley wrote: > Let's assume that I have no idea what I'm talking about. > However, I can successfully report what I SEE. >=20 > 1. Android's mail app wants to use STARTTLS when it connects to my mail= > server, for > whatever reason (send or receive) isn't important now. It wants it, an= d I > want it to be > happy, or else it doesn't work. Ah -- in this case, you've potentially got two different software systems that could involve STARTTLS. sendmail would only be involved when you send an e-mail. Otherwise your android device will be connecting to an IMAP server -- and that could either be configured to listen on port 143 (the port for unencrypted IMAP) and expect to use STARTTLS to upgrade to an encrypted connection; or it could listen on port 993 which expects TLS straight away. There is a move by IANA (I think) to prefer STARTTLS type mechanisms and so recover all of the duplicated-except-for-requiring-TLS port numbers out of /etc/services. But, as you say, the sendmail problems need sorting anyhow. Time to worry about IMAP later. > 2. When I telnet to port 25 of my mail server, sendmail does NOT announ= ce > STARTTLS > as one of it's capabilities. This, despite my having all the incantati= ons > *apparently" correct > in my hostname.mc, fresh self signed cert and key file in /etc/mail/cer= ts, > and various other > things that have been suggested/intimated by various sources. Hmmm... well, I don't understand why it isn't working for you. The sendmail in FreeBSD-10.3 is supplied with STARTTLS capabilities compiled in and should have certs and keys created for it at install time. > It would be nice to solve the problem stated in the Subject of this > insanely long thread: >=20 > Why is my sendmail refusing to announce STARTTLS ? It is almost certainly some trivial little oversight, but it's impossible to say what that might be. I'm sure you've been through all this already, but have you checked and rechecked the simple and obvious stuff: * Have you built and installed a fresh sendmail config: # cd /etc/mail # make # make install * Are you editing the correct .mc file? The one you want is ${hostname}.mc -- where ${hostname} (if it isn't obvious) is the hostname of your machine. If this doesn't exist, typing 'make' will create it for you. * Did you restart sendmail after the last config update? # service sendmail restart * Is sendmail listening on the IP numbers and ports you expect it to be listening on? Or is it some other piece of software entirely answering on port 25? # sockstat | grep sendmail # sockstat | grep -E ':25\>' will provide clues. * Do you have anything in /etc/mail/access ? * What's in /etc/mail/mailwrapper ? 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To: Matthew Seaman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20170323233742.R95579@sola.nimnet.asn.au> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:31:48 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:31:52 -0000 On 23/03/2017 14:20, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 2017/03/23 13:16, Ian Smith wrote: >> I suggest acknowledging Jim is correct, and figure out what's wrong with >> your $whatever. Other contributors including Matthew - whose knowledge >> is far beyond mine or most people on this subject - perhaps, like me, >> hadn't twigged that your problem is pick up, NOT sending from sendmail. > > I very nearly asked about the relevance of sendmail to the problem at > hand, but I came to the conclusion that the OP meant sendmail when he > said sendmail, even if he did say 'read' rather than 'send' on one occasion. Ditto. Telnetting into port 25 to see what capabilities are shown in response to EHLO isn't usually the act of a novice. -- By June 1949, people had begun to realize that it was not so easy to get a program right as had at one time appeared. It was on one of my journeys between the EDSAC room and the punching equipment that the realization came over me with full force that a good part of the remainder of my life was going to be spent in finding errors in my own programs. -- Maurice Wilkes From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 15:32:39 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF498D19ABA for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:32:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jim@ohlste.in) Received: from mail-qt0-x22f.google.com (mail-qt0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CB1E10B4 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:32:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jim@ohlste.in) Received: by mail-qt0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id r45so178332203qte.3 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 08:32:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ohlste-in.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0Jz64CItr3MzorAEfPxrHZfOCSrwcAMXWBc0DeTV46k=; b=E0IHLyTjXLeywN305JiRSYqlPuvVfb6S3Nfb5NveIXwbcF5vXO6OEDFqHgmFWqv1GA rRjB6n3JcTFiD4OrfIlkc/fJjZ4Puuu8iLyhWZ9TWu/yFohk88ZpnHJR12dtgQxrNNM/ rRtMHUoA1LvgWwYGkFa56JZEh5Lk3wuQWKhUWTRDFAsseA1LbkddBGYHh1nMvnOE5P/m uanoIVVUgmur5Rp/KibBXNAYVFjp6hvBcLUlUFQkQLbO8Q8gagSF7LCJ8sQZFqHto5/q HBSi7rWR7XMnVgBZMIQlEcVb8sgIS75sPnuYUKMCtkhykWB/e+vN3tg/bq30N4WkpOtR i+XA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0Jz64CItr3MzorAEfPxrHZfOCSrwcAMXWBc0DeTV46k=; b=RKj6YOQVL7C/8m6/wCJV8rq/oKMA3DzCe2FudhWndZJmltnmcdkDYIz8M1yw/Bk23a QgWMwuJK44ou7+1DywEj5LTc4Xk/98JnzYQbPWKi3sCM1ntI5RmqlQcR4ALl8OLm6Eak ccUya4yl4S0Md++GM1pbJ8Bc8eAwUshzzxOkF3Y9FrA+oq+fEG5TdnlD7Fdaq8GCaA3Q 4gC5FqHoMWAOkUWH25oWzOabx0xKilxoNOma9Gnwf7+7b/SZ0mo8ahOmeS4lmxhqbgRy 8r8Ziy/afasOEd4d7zE0c3wMhqYobhPry+oiuIPl9ihIFBiZ+2zgbH/roLFwpQZNLDqS ak+w== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H0a6c2gLBxj2xjtcpKqxIxrDm0NZcA3okf9nQezygAyLEKb78fQKxELLwPnLMZuzg== X-Received: by 10.200.55.235 with SMTP id e40mr2846952qtc.251.1490283157978; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 08:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (pool-108-39-64-29.nrflva.fios.verizon.net. [108.39.64.29]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id i125sm3447357qkf.52.2017.03.23.08.32.36 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Mar 2017 08:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? To: Arthur Chance References: <378051e6-d075-c00c-066d-e6240583ea59@ohlste.in> <8CDAF29F-034A-4BC5-8727-4EC0B39331F6@ohlste.in> <2cd77b54-1a7a-3bee-bf4a-1681acda3449@ohlste.in> <5748b716-7cb2-171e-ed0d-7db453d17b56@qeng-ho.org> Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , William Dudley From: Jim Ohlstein Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 11:32:35 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5748b716-7cb2-171e-ed0d-7db453d17b56@qeng-ho.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:32:40 -0000 Hello, On 3/23/17 11:05 AM, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 23/03/2017 13:39, Jim Ohlstein wrote: >> Hello, >> >> On 3/23/17 8:21 AM, Arthur Chance wrote: >>> On 23/03/2017 03:25, Jim Ohlstein wrote: >>>> Your entire question is ridiculous since Sendmail will never be >>>> useful for retrieving email from a remote server. Ever. To do that >>>> you need a POP/IMAP server. That was my point. Still is. >>> >>> If you'd been paying attention you'd have noticed lines in his mail like >>> >>>> telnet localhost 25 >>> >>> which is rather a clue that he's talking about the sending side rather >>> than the receiving side. >> >> If you'd been paying attention, you'd have noticed lines his initial >> post to the list (emphasis mine): >> >> >> I just want to use a self-signed certificate so I can *get my email from >> my FreeBSD mail server to my cell phone*. >> >> >> This is rather a clue that he's talking about the receiving side rather >> than the sending side. > > I was basing it on > > --- Extract --- > STILL BROKEN, but now there's no error message to give me a clue what is > wrong. > > telnet localhost 25 > Trying 127.0.0.1... > Connected to localhost. > Escape character is '^]'. > 220 mail.casano.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.15.2/8.15.2; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:10:14 > -0400 (EDT) > ehlo localhost > 250-mail.casano.com Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you > 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES > 250-PIPELINING > 250-8BITMIME > 250-SIZE > 250-DSN > 250-ETRN > 250-DELIVERBY > 250 HELP > quit > 221 2.0.0 mail.casano.com closing connection > Connection closed by foreign host. > ---- > > Generally speaking, you don't telnet into port 25, issue an EHLO to see > what capabilities the server has and complain that STARTTLS is still > missing unless you're trying to sort out the SMTP side of life. Also, > that's not the sort of thing a newbie usually tries. > > He also wrote (apologies for the lousy formatting, various mailers have > hacked it about) > >>> My FreeBSD server >>> runs >>> sendmail, and I've been running my own mail domain for about a decade. >>> >>> My latest guess (and that's all I can do is guess) is that my > self-signed >>> certificates >>> expired, and I just need to re-generate them. All the sources on > sendmail >>> and >>> STARTTLS that I've seen so far show configs identical to my config, so > from >>> this I infer perhaps one or more of my cert files is "bad". > > Which really doesn't sound like a novice. Yes, the remarks about wanting > to use IMAP are confusing, but I thought that was because he'd got into > a "can't see the wood for the trees" state of confusion. Fighting > recalcitrant software for a few days tends to do that. But it could be > he truly is clueless and thrashing. Perhaps it's hard to tell, but your quote above was conveniently taken out of context. A more full rendition might be a clue as to his cluelessness: The point of this exercise is to allow my Android phone to access my email on my FreeBSD 10.3 server, using imap. I had it working last year, and then, with nary an error message, it stopped working. So the email client is the native Android email client (on a recent Cyanogen Android). My FreeBSD server runs sendmail, and I've been running my own mail domain for about a decade. Here he speaks directly about accessing his email using IMAP. Looks pretty clear to me. In fact, I don't think it could be clearer. I would wager he is posting the results of commands found in Google searches without completely understanding what they mean, or understanding that he will NEVER retrieve email with Sendmail, at least until now. Running [his] "own mail domain for about a decade" may be as simple as using shared hosting on a cPanel server as his signature suggests he's using Linux. It doesn't mean he knows what he's doing. In fact, the evidence strongly suggests the opposite. Oh, and the idiom is "can't see the forest for the trees". > >>> [Much snippage] >>> >>>>>> "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the >>>>>> difference." - Mark Twain >>> >>> [Except for that. :-)] >> >> Cute. Rather sophomoric, but still cute. > > I've never been sure about the exact details of the US university > system, having gone through a much older one on the other side of the > Atlantic, but I'm probably about 50 years too old to be a sophomore. > However, while I've definitely aged, I will be the first to admit I've > not necessarily matured. :-) > You should look at the definition of sophomoric. 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Have you given and consideration to trying this URL: https://www.proofpoint.com/us/sendmail-open-source You might be able to find what you want under "SUPPORT". --=20 Carmel From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 15:38:03 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58DAED19D18 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:38:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@outlook.com) Received: from COL004-OMC2S15.hotmail.com (col004-omc2s15.hotmail.com [65.55.34.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.outlook.com", Issuer "Microsoft IT SSL SHA2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E535131F for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:38:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@outlook.com) Received: from NAM02-SN1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([65.55.34.73]) by COL004-OMC2S15.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Thu, 23 Mar 2017 08:38:02 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outlook.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=0ET1J1eYpFBJFT9PrA5jJb+1iwkeASiqWhHH4P2T8bs=; b=AEqt2QdUE7PJk3CycsbMd/Fa3kLwThpzWyuxUrYPa5XNWSh1jGmpGtXQpGSKel6kaqqKH81AywxUCvM0/BC1Q7q5mGjTr43iI1ggScmh5TOadMgrxW4QfvCTtnY2qwdehhSqDJ0bYfX/0ZTmVkOiF23CnBtfXKQuL1xrSEQ7PHRH5vFrnNmUIB40hHNKFuGbN6HSSWiWFYiX+Kki2JYiHIa+cuvxp9+fBHT5MoIsjZlEdzpkfQeRtbpJ2BAo1rs/aTuWuqrjyTgJXBpnT36GM9f5ArkE6gosBRzkmHaxDD1Bc2fuWNrRPL9w0jX6qVzTA0vejmyydr8SRwnfODp1QA== Received: from SN1NAM02FT038.eop-nam02.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.72.53) by SN1NAM02HT049.eop-nam02.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.72.182) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.977.7; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:38:01 +0000 Received: from CY1PR20MB0363.namprd20.prod.outlook.com (10.152.72.56) by SN1NAM02FT038.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.72.69) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.977.7 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:38:00 +0000 Received: from CY1PR20MB0363.namprd20.prod.outlook.com ([10.164.0.29]) by CY1PR20MB0363.namprd20.prod.outlook.com ([10.164.0.29]) with mapi id 15.01.0991.017; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:38:00 +0000 From: Gerard Seibert To: User questions Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? Thread-Topic: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? 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You could also try this: http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/starttls.html --=20 Carmel From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 15:41:28 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A019D19F7F for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:41:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x234.google.com (mail-it0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D55C916DB for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:41:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x234.google.com with SMTP id y18so1812854itc.1 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 08:41:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=E99b2lDvccR2t+IaK5ceemgYIRb13CgnrPfgcbaRP8o=; b=QzVQo1qvMmqFRA33bsoYl+AQRgExnG6jZ4/cHCcCIBmaCItgfpEeXNj2+pJgeFdSMK AINAa8mxBchZAcc9TXt0hTaz3P2M8yGar+7PVGbaw11ckm83g8YYhaINSVbPUUpm/pvo pQdrLU521J2rWLKOcU+gwJjdu7uZZSnVpimrNo4b4hVF94S3KNpmFdl+xRwj8LzVFdrH UlhzIxH6QrHh42Kmskw44rG6MUBvdw5NYflk4Z80K+IVaghnzU/qFW0Ns7qgyM1yPvOC zIvC09kPUAc30Hmt3xTjzExkcP0BV7BUaEYniV2Dw+Q53HnDx1gPcfbloJywyfFjc+xo CEew== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=E99b2lDvccR2t+IaK5ceemgYIRb13CgnrPfgcbaRP8o=; b=Nhn3uYzta+Nt4Eth3CWihuzXNIIZJHLr4+ysRY+r3XQ5hw7LW5179n9u2wIvRuawHF fhmAqhXet1ONpCgTu3ngGd4rYb60G3HYXwkZAiotKcwExV57uCeyDiTSiUpiD2+pyJs9 UWEiYlqW8gYx8MAKpxPtRmbk7Dwrt5PA21yLXEvuXWZviU7w/SIVXAIKaVzsfdiHfI7q JlZ81rQypfHDfVjs+nGZlnwywEqL/16ata38gq91b1xVxG7ckJ5snPREUMDB21Vvqpmt xFIhztSsRAMKEexwE7xxPnjLD28UrYbKAAqoCF3dQ2vfXPJ7plW0TRyylhjadSrksc3o dV2A== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H0cPivFSW7RmjAwWYXmmIyy86DxZmy58XAUp/yA4cZJXgSkl51R5LWcwoERsAO37g== X-Received: by 10.36.58.207 with SMTP id m198mr3373302itm.31.1490283687328; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 08:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.10.3] (cpe-65-25-52-33.neo.res.rr.com. [65.25.52.33]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id l33sm279898iod.8.2017.03.23.08.41.26 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Mar 2017 08:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <58D3ECC0.1000001@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 11:41:52 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Mehler CC: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: freebsd 10.3 to 11 release upgrade on a vps References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:41:28 -0000 David Mehler wrote: > Hello, > > I've got a Freebsd 10.3 vps. I'm wondering about upgrading to 11 > release. Are there any upgrade woes? I'm also running jails so > wondering how the upgrade would work with the jail setup and how to > upgrade the jails? > > Thanks. > Dave. No upgrade woes about system or jails other than the normal stuff. You have to update all your ports after getting onto 11.0 and the jails running binaries have to be at 11.0 also. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 15:47:55 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC615D183F3 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:47:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ADF331D3B for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:47:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [93.104.152.93] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cr4xr-0008HY-Tq for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:47:52 +0100 Received: from localhost.my.domain (c720-r314251 [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id v2NFlnvD002421 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:47:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id v2NFlnn1002420 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:47:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:47:48 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? Message-ID: <20170323154748.GA2348@c720-r314251> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <378051e6-d075-c00c-066d-e6240583ea59@ohlste.in> <8CDAF29F-034A-4BC5-8727-4EC0B39331F6@ohlste.in> <2cd77b54-1a7a-3bee-bf4a-1681acda3449@ohlste.in> <5748b716-7cb2-171e-ed0d-7db453d17b56@qeng-ho.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.0 (2017-02-23) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 93.104.152.93 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:47:56 -0000 Hi, With intention I have not included the lines of the tread into my reply... Can first the OP (Original Poster), clarify what he/she wants todo exactly. If it is, fetching mails *from* his/her FreeBSD server to some other device, then sendmail is not involved here at all, but setting up some IMAP or POP3 server on the FreeBSD box. If he/she wants send mail from the device to the FreeBSD server as 1st MX hop, then ofc he/she must setup a MTA on this server. So, let's first clarify, about what the issue is exactly. matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, ⌂ http://www.unixarea.de/ ☎ +49-176-38902045 Aus "Nie wieder Krieg!" wurde "Nie wieder Krieg ohne Deutschlands Truppen" The "No wars anymore!" changed now to "No wars anymore without German battle groups!" El "¡Nunca jamás guerra!" ha cambiado a "¡Nunca jamás guerra sin tropas alemanas!" 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To: Matthew Seaman Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:00:11 -0000 To answer your questions: Yes, I'm using the right .mc file, and yes, I know how to make && make install && make restart when I make changes to it. (I assume service sendmail restart has the same effect as "make restart"; it *looks* the same when I "tail -f /var/log/maillog"). sockstat | grep sendmail root sendmail 78456 3 dgram -> /var/run/logpriv root sendmail 78456 4 tcp4 *:25 *:* root sendmail 78456 5 tcp4 *:465 *:* root sendmail 78456 6 tcp4 *:587 *:* smmsp sendmail 78454 3 dgram -> /var/run/log So that seems reasonable. sockstat | grep -E ':25\>' returns line two from above, so that's the same. /etc/mail/access has a handful of address "OK" and address "ERROR" lines I added to explicitly block or accept various emailers, and this: 192.168.27.26 RELAY junkemailfilter.com OK GreetPause:192.168.27.26 0 GreetPause:localhost 0 GreetPause:localhost.localdomain 0 GreetPause:pascal.junkemailfilter.com 0 srv_features: S The relay is for my workstation, on the same LAN (obviously). The GreetPause lines turn off the greeting delay for certain hosts. AND -- Ah-hah Hmmm, I don't remember adding any lines that would turn off STARTTLS, but that's what srv_features: S does. I'm SURE I didn't add that. I certainly didn't add it recently. Perhaps it was added by one of the blind alleys I've been sent down ("stunnel" comes to mind). So. Fixed. Removed that line, "make && make restart" and now STARTTLS is a capability of sendmail, *again*. The phone is still unhappy, but that's another problem. I declare this thread ended. Thanks everyone, even the snide Mr. Ohlstein, for their time. Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 2017/03/23 15:00, William Dudley wrote: > > Let's assume that I have no idea what I'm talking about. > > However, I can successfully report what I SEE. > > > > 1. Android's mail app wants to use STARTTLS when it connects to my mail > > server, for > > whatever reason (send or receive) isn't important now. It wants it, and > I > > want it to be > > happy, or else it doesn't work. > > Ah -- in this case, you've potentially got two different software > systems that could involve STARTTLS. sendmail would only be involved > when you send an e-mail. Otherwise your android device will be > connecting to an IMAP server -- and that could either be configured to > listen on port 143 (the port for unencrypted IMAP) and expect to use > STARTTLS to upgrade to an encrypted connection; or it could listen on > port 993 which expects TLS straight away. There is a move by IANA (I > think) to prefer STARTTLS type mechanisms and so recover all of the > duplicated-except-for-requiring-TLS port numbers out of /etc/services. > > But, as you say, the sendmail problems need sorting anyhow. Time to > worry about IMAP later. > > > 2. When I telnet to port 25 of my mail server, sendmail does NOT announce > > STARTTLS > > as one of it's capabilities. This, despite my having all the > incantations > > *apparently" correct > > in my hostname.mc, fresh self signed cert and key file in > /etc/mail/certs, > > and various other > > things that have been suggested/intimated by various sources. > > Hmmm... well, I don't understand why it isn't working for you. The > sendmail in FreeBSD-10.3 is supplied with STARTTLS capabilities compiled > in and should have certs and keys created for it at install time. > > > It would be nice to solve the problem stated in the Subject of this > > insanely long thread: > > > > Why is my sendmail refusing to announce STARTTLS ? > > It is almost certainly some trivial little oversight, but it's > impossible to say what that might be. I'm sure you've been through all > this already, but have you checked and rechecked the simple and obvious > stuff: > > * Have you built and installed a fresh sendmail config: > > # cd /etc/mail > # make > # make install > > * Are you editing the correct .mc file? The one you want is > ${hostname}.mc -- where ${hostname} (if it isn't obvious) is the > hostname of your machine. If this doesn't exist, typing 'make' > will create it for you. > > * Did you restart sendmail after the last config update? > > # service sendmail restart > > * Is sendmail listening on the IP numbers and ports you expect it to > be listening on? Or is it some other piece of software > entirely answering on port 25? > > # sockstat | grep sendmail > # sockstat | grep -E ':25\>' > > will provide clues. > > * Do you have anything in /etc/mail/access ? > > * What's in /etc/mail/mailwrapper ? > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 16:02:14 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63FB9D18C1B for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:02:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C22C1AD8 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:02:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from zero-gravitas.local (unknown [85.199.232.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A8C5510D80 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=infracaninophile.co.uk DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201601-infracaninophile; t=1490284926; bh=Ci0FPW9YYYciI4TDnet5zQ/PwFJ8yJXj1ZUpxWNOf4c=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; z=Subject:=20Re:=20freebsd=2010.3=20to=2011=20release=20upgrade=20o n=20a=20vps|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|References:=20 =0D=0A=20<58D3ECC0.1000001@gmail.com>|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20< m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Thu,=2023=20Mar=202017=20 16:01:58=20+0000|In-Reply-To:=20<58D3ECC0.1000001@gmail.com>; b=D0UALkKHqhpAr3RTxIDnqEtSW9sQ+4yaORD/Kdn+hzmXH2hv6m7x56KhRQzItvnRz 3PvtHdkXJ7/pl5jDBt4XVkEExG86LuJPNMJrEhylvjRduy6XyNYH+3SZ6pIRT54RtE MKJspbJspvdp2kUqzzsJhVsTnN9mQsVfpEyYQ9X4= Subject: Re: freebsd 10.3 to 11 release upgrade on a vps To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <58D3ECC0.1000001@gmail.com> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <26f53955-835e-6dae-5154-32ad2fe06228@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:01:58 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <58D3ECC0.1000001@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rE1lLvfE4W4IbAP2nqhxI9Wls6HBb0iCx" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,RDNS_NONE,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:02:14 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --rE1lLvfE4W4IbAP2nqhxI9Wls6HBb0iCx Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="FWvia0tLTnXg7SBCgFQTA2MRvJQnk5kXL"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <26f53955-835e-6dae-5154-32ad2fe06228@infracaninophile.co.uk> Subject: Re: freebsd 10.3 to 11 release upgrade on a vps References: <58D3ECC0.1000001@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <58D3ECC0.1000001@gmail.com> --FWvia0tLTnXg7SBCgFQTA2MRvJQnk5kXL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2017/03/23 15:41, Ernie Luzar wrote: > David Mehler wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I've got a Freebsd 10.3 vps. I'm wondering about upgrading to 11 >> release. Are there any upgrade woes? I'm also running jails so >> wondering how the upgrade would work with the jail setup and how to >> upgrade the jails? > No upgrade woes about system or jails other than the normal stuff. You > have to update all your ports after getting onto 11.0 and the jails > running binaries have to be at 11.0 also. You can run a 10.3 jail on an 11.0 host -- no problem. This is how eg. poudriere works to build packages for all the different supported OS versions. While you can run an older jail on a newer host, you cannot do it the other way round with a newer jail on an older host. Your order of operations has to be upgrade the host first, and then the jails. Upgrading jails with freebsd-update(8) can be tricky, as f-u detects the current OS version by asking the kernel, and that gives the wrong answer when running an older jail on a newer host. That's why there is a '--currently-running /release/' option in more recent freebsd-update(8). If you haven't got a recent-enough freebsd-update then there's a trick -- so upgrading a 10.3 jail to 11.0 would looks like: # env UNAME_r=3D10.3-RELEASE freebsd-update -r 11.0-RELEASE upgrade and then do all the usuall 'freebsd-update install' steps similarly. Other methods of upgrading jails generally work identically to how they do when upgrading the host system. Cheers, Matthew --FWvia0tLTnXg7SBCgFQTA2MRvJQnk5kXL-- --rE1lLvfE4W4IbAP2nqhxI9Wls6HBb0iCx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJY0/F9XxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQxOUYxNTRFQ0JGMTEyRTUwNTQ0RTNGMzAw MDUxM0YxMEUwQTlFNEU3AAoJEABRPxDgqeTnpe8QAKm+ktWhCbqVIZttUNIZPanf 9evP7DVszIpG1kjifCwSCml0Ijd/Uo5wKMY/jVZxkZO46G5B6MuySKiYzoQrbYJG 6+y5BekXsSiKIclhqQoRxrrpkTIcMz7K9WXyzirLlONJ+Km/pdQ1c5lUkEw4gyHx dDWPQdedEF9o99t3MVYe1R8OO9sQkmyL2CHLxCTJt8BKu+5NqV4/7GQznfEEjh2P lIg2/AnZAtxzqOsf2V9LTWe1vkLcjjKacZzjfhBkA9l2Xyo6g/mB5vHo/YHfLwMm HbqioSniQq0jplV91fIyUpWrzE/uaCrmpU/SUt9zwxviYzD9aF2ZfgSbCxqm/sKU RfV0kN3HpZ/3A8dSUXtfLpzxeArIH4r8dd7g3Zk/KYf7jLm5rNl4H+lteCN/oLDx n6LT5POrQajYj/ToEPfltdck7/sgyz+BFZK0xniXkC8NB0XBzu7wnKUsMjmkano5 lhQoDotwbRDCYRMDssqefYYL/5K3QOq5Hb+O74QARxMjsTIgSIX83ZvABO9a/lMv 8cdMCyZk1rG/xpgey7idgT9H0a5HBQvIoA0dPfUBQY30MRKrFyw7BWyvN58bRBGC RelQQDP3yhFDiXwvTsMTTMZydAZDV1wpxRc6yci+/FABUvu/KGIrtz+TWA/Y7Q1M vxMIDM0ecpya7+Qs3Tfs =8/f1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rE1lLvfE4W4IbAP2nqhxI9Wls6HBb0iCx-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 16:25:20 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338CAD1A346 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:25:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B715319F7 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:25:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from zero-gravitas.local (unknown [85.199.232.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 28CBA10D94 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:25:16 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/28CBA10D94; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: freebsd 10.3 to 11 release upgrade on a vps To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <58D3ECC0.1000001@gmail.com> <26f53955-835e-6dae-5154-32ad2fe06228@infracaninophile.co.uk> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <74a663d5-4ee6-8c2f-6d20-10ec571c8cea@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:25:09 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <26f53955-835e-6dae-5154-32ad2fe06228@infracaninophile.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="n0DMHWOkWKE41BsxCfnflEPfrbEiiltH8" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:25:20 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --n0DMHWOkWKE41BsxCfnflEPfrbEiiltH8 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="d4fS1okJMqiHNKRP0Ip5okG0qBfvFm1Dq"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <74a663d5-4ee6-8c2f-6d20-10ec571c8cea@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: freebsd 10.3 to 11 release upgrade on a vps References: <58D3ECC0.1000001@gmail.com> <26f53955-835e-6dae-5154-32ad2fe06228@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <26f53955-835e-6dae-5154-32ad2fe06228@infracaninophile.co.uk> --d4fS1okJMqiHNKRP0Ip5okG0qBfvFm1Dq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2017/03/23 16:01, Matthew Seaman wrote: > That's why there is a > '--currently-running /release/' option in more recent freebsd-update(8)= =2E > If you haven't got a recent-enough freebsd-update then there's a trick= > -- so upgrading a 10.3 jail to 11.0 would looks like: >=20 > # env UNAME_r=3D10.3-RELEASE freebsd-update -r 11.0-RELEASE upgrade >=20 > and then do all the usuall 'freebsd-update install' steps similarly. >=20 Just to clarify, and for the sake of anyone tempted to take this too literally from the archives: 10.3-RELEASE actually does have the '--currently-running' option. The example I made up above is unnecessary (although it will work). For a 10.3 -> 11.0 upgrade of a jail: # freebsd-update --currently-running 10.3-RELEASE -r 11.0-RELEASE upgr= ade But for a 9.3 -> 10.3 upgrade of a jail: # env UNAME_r=3D9.3-RELEASE freebsd-update -r 10.3-RELEASE upgrade Also, one thing I forgot. When upgrading either the host or the jails, make sure that you're on the latest 10.3-RELEASE patchlevel before trying the upgrade to 11.0. There were changes in freebsd-update(8) itself that are required to upgrade to 11.0. If you're running older than 10.3-RELEASE, I believe the best advice is to upgrade to 10.3-RELEASE first, and then to 11.0-RELEASE. 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Message-ID: <20170323170512.3d635a71@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20170323233742.R95579@sola.nimnet.asn.au> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:05:19 -0000 On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:00:08 -0400 William Dudley wrote: > Hmmm, I don't remember adding any lines that would turn off STARTTLS, > but that's what srv_features: S does. > > I'm SURE I didn't add that. I certainly didn't add it recently. > Perhaps it was added > by one of the blind alleys I've been sent down ("stunnel" comes to > mind). > > So. Fixed. Removed that line, "make && make restart" and now > STARTTLS is a capability of sendmail, *again*. > > The phone is still unhappy, but that's another problem. > I declare this thread ended. > > Thanks everyone, even the snide Mr. Ohlstein, for their time. If you turned-off STARTTLS in the course of the thread, in what you refer to as "one of the blind alleys", then it seems to me that Mr. Ohlstein was right all along. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 17:09:33 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DDC8D1A0EA for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:09:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FB4711D4 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:09:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (pool-72-74-34-8.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [72.74.34.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B71243F559 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <58D40146.90204@sneakertech.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:09:26 -0400 From: Quartz MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Can anyone see my posts to these lists? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:09:33 -0000 I've tried posting twice now to -net and again to -questions. According to lists.freebsd.org my posts are going through and show up in the archive, but I've yet to get a single response to any of them. Can anyone actually see this message I'm typing now? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 17:17:37 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58BEFD1A389 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:17:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7B71802 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:17:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 65C55CB8CA6; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:17:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 10.150.112.53 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:17:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <49324.10.150.112.53.1490289450.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: References: <20170323233742.R95579@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:17:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:17:37 -0000 Sorry about top posting. Can we, please, close this thread for good? It sound like the OP has no idea what he is talking about. Being able to observe things and report them to the community is definitely not sufficient to make community do system administration of your machine for you. It usually is assumed that the one asking for help is capable to do what he is trying to do and has exhausted all resources in serious attempts to solve the problem he hit himself before asking others for help. No offense intended, all I stated above is just my observation (and as every human I am prone to making mistakes). Valeri On Thu, March 23, 2017 10:00 am, William Dudley wrote: > Let's assume that I have no idea what I'm talking about. > However, I can successfully report what I SEE. > > 1. Android's mail app wants to use STARTTLS when it connects to my mail > server, for > whatever reason (send or receive) isn't important now. It wants it, and I > want it to be > happy, or else it doesn't work. > > 2. When I telnet to port 25 of my mail server, sendmail does NOT announce > STARTTLS > as one of it's capabilities. This, despite my having all the incantations > *apparently" correct > in my hostname.mc, fresh self signed cert and key file in /etc/mail/certs, > and various other > things that have been suggested/intimated by various sources. > > It would be nice to solve the problem stated in the Subject of this > insanely long thread: > > Why is my sendmail refusing to announce STARTTLS ? > > Thanks, > Bill Dudley > > > > > > > > This email is free of malware because I run Linux. > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Matthew Seaman > wrote: > >> On 2017/03/23 13:16, Ian Smith wrote: >> > I suggest acknowledging Jim is correct, and figure out what's wrong >> with >> > your $whatever. Other contributors including Matthew - whose >> knowledge >> > is far beyond mine or most people on this subject - perhaps, like me, >> > hadn't twigged that your problem is pick up, NOT sending from >> sendmail. >> >> I very nearly asked about the relevance of sendmail to the problem at >> hand, but I came to the conclusion that the OP meant sendmail when he >> said sendmail, even if he did say 'read' rather than 'send' on one >> occasion. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Matthew >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 17:31:34 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9696D1A723 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:31:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-x244.google.com (mail-yw0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A90CA1F1D for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:31:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw0-x244.google.com with SMTP id h11so24345941ywa.2 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 10:31:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=INo8OTYgUNVWMDgGTPNSQyR+gooLj50Gko4lvFCCejc=; b=i6mBsdo+v16k0hajbAPtYJM68fV2lMeYZDUFT6JQVhUHT5QrBL2ETn9sNb7AKC/vfL qRDaiulA1L5VJvLDBPYiXUFSajzSzBbCjZePIvOHV9RS1RYmGXRx6J5N7W6Ef7xl+/vt J4+L0riYJhSkBWBZAMjNQ5ZaPVZMnFWcNCrbUMjEHSsWv5djfjkJfcM430TvqE9e+/uK 6WUevFbg3ByGX27D2xk/WPgKPpJoWfg95LT195wqTeomEMVcP1gd7+X7gWbPGpOnfmGX RxNxuIQ2H+V9FjZnCbkJeOR59b5uepBKxxHv5iyKVfvk+/m+0CyBRgJxM9rgJZ93RY16 fcsA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=INo8OTYgUNVWMDgGTPNSQyR+gooLj50Gko4lvFCCejc=; b=s+pKJl/1Je5uaGciAaVO7VLFXJLHTymGu96SAGgoTh+r1W0JolHyF/H4Qv+ucgbPSc nGByI/4Oz8kFOLoFjD63HJi8yXGh2Lk+l7VQVRoAves6HKAzQXGolGVMfweLqNwoIiLQ hUjhYQhdZ83kMqeoJ3PspsVN/lrakgylgrTMN3FGAeIFIEFfz/2ReDLMv3NXPbegngFC 7EGvfID6tOkOHB8o1+ejyGHwABKSoIMzIaL3imQh5L02M/4tr4Z1JIdhZ98BZE5RwGV4 DRzcCaEKX9uEr/EuE4uavw2YSK9urOW22A0WZMuGJF7zIPHpbL7SJa93oRB/k5vhHtg1 l2ow== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H1mpv7Gk0zOZb5boKA0GldE7aXU34VzKWO4nIo/e1BKWyxY13yS33/b3vdmZ42KEuXoprgR4pDzC2HX4A== X-Received: by 10.37.58.195 with SMTP id h186mr2620408yba.106.1490290293421; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 10:31:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.163.227 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 10:31:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49324.10.150.112.53.1490289450.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <20170323233742.R95579@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <49324.10.150.112.53.1490289450.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> From: William Dudley Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:31:32 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: how do I get STARTTLS working with sendmail on FreeBSD 10.3 ? To: Valeri Galtsev , RW Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:31:35 -0000 I'm terribly sorry that I'm not an absolute expert on every single aspect of FreeBSD. But then, if I was, I wouldn't have asked on this list, would I? I didn't EXPLICITLY turn off STARTTLS. As far as I know, it was turned off as a side effect of some OTHER installation. I did what I thought was due diligence by doing extensive googling and reading all I could find about getting STARTTLS working. NONE of the references I found, or that others suggested I read, mentioned that STARTTLS could be turned off in the access file. I'm a retired software developer (perl on unix and Linux) and a hobby sysadmin. I've been running FreeBSD for a stupid long time -- certainly over 10 years, and running my own mail server, web server, etc. for all that time. But becoming a FreeBSD guru isn't my first priority in life. I tried my very best to ask an intelligent question, and even if my explanation for WHY I wanted this to work was amiss, the QUESTION was valid, and "we" did eventually arrive at THE answer. Again, thanks to EVERYONE for helping, or attempting to. Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > Sorry about top posting. > > Can we, please, close this thread for good? > > It sound like the OP has no idea what he is talking about. Being able to > observe things and report them to the community is definitely not > sufficient to make community do system administration of your machine for > you. It usually is assumed that the one asking for help is capable to do > what he is trying to do and has exhausted all resources in serious > attempts to solve the problem he hit himself before asking others for > help. > > No offense intended, all I stated above is just my observation (and as > every human I am prone to making mistakes). > > Valeri > > On Thu, March 23, 2017 10:00 am, William Dudley wrote: > > Let's assume that I have no idea what I'm talking about. > > However, I can successfully report what I SEE. > > > > 1. Android's mail app wants to use STARTTLS when it connects to my mail > > server, for > > whatever reason (send or receive) isn't important now. It wants it, and > I > > want it to be > > happy, or else it doesn't work. > > > > 2. When I telnet to port 25 of my mail server, sendmail does NOT announce > > STARTTLS > > as one of it's capabilities. This, despite my having all the > incantations > > *apparently" correct > > in my hostname.mc, fresh self signed cert and key file in > /etc/mail/certs, > > and various other > > things that have been suggested/intimated by various sources. > > > > It would be nice to solve the problem stated in the Subject of this > > insanely long thread: > > > > Why is my sendmail refusing to announce STARTTLS ? > > > > Thanks, > > Bill Dudley > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This email is free of malware because I run Linux. > > > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Matthew Seaman > > wrote: > > > >> On 2017/03/23 13:16, Ian Smith wrote: > >> > I suggest acknowledging Jim is correct, and figure out what's wrong > >> with > >> > your $whatever. Other contributors including Matthew - whose > >> knowledge > >> > is far beyond mine or most people on this subject - perhaps, like me, > >> > hadn't twigged that your problem is pick up, NOT sending from > >> sendmail. > >> > >> I very nearly asked about the relevance of sendmail to the problem at > >> hand, but I came to the conclusion that the OP meant sendmail when he > >> said sendmail, even if he did say 'read' rather than 'send' on one > >> occasion. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Matthew > >> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Valeri Galtsev > Sr System Administrator > Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics > Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics > University of Chicago > Phone: 773-702-4247 > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 17:32:51 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C58D1A826 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:32:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.fujimoto@yandex.ru) Received: from forward3j.cmail.yandex.net (forward3j.cmail.yandex.net [5.255.227.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "forwards.mail.yandex.net", Issuer "Yandex CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 066E91116 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:32:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.fujimoto@yandex.ru) Received: from mxback1g.mail.yandex.net (mxback1g.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:162]) by forward3j.cmail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 811FB20CA1; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 20:32:46 +0300 (MSK) Received: from web14g.yandex.ru (web14g.yandex.ru [95.108.252.114]) by mxback1g.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id bJ8nFvR3uU-WkEGNbta; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 20:32:46 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1490290366; bh=OUEyGwaPk+NCx8Eh5B/+oxQ6PgUcGrDRaQR+pEwb5zU=; h=From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:Message-Id:Date; b=pKoLnWI9MV2yMPoZEqgiflJiBQVW/WAJtBl/gxRRotcLCxIn3WfQ1Cfp1r47Nh8C7 emqLyw7uE3CAluCIFgvCiWfn/mVdet+EDQ8xTpSoyaS2nNJjjxfaDg6ocr63RTI08e eMP4dpsXVixvpP7vq6WHTS3nBCeAhGpM5lEX0S1I= Authentication-Results: mxback1g.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru Received: by web14g.yandex.ru with HTTP; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 20:32:46 +0300 From: Masayoshi Fujimoto Envelope-From: m-fujimoto@yandex.com To: Quartz , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" In-Reply-To: <58D40146.90204@sneakertech.com> References: <58D40146.90204@sneakertech.com> Subject: Re: Can anyone see my posts to these lists? Message-Id: <231921490290366@web14g.yandex.ru> X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 02:32:46 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:32:51 -0000 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 17:37:52 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21398D1AA9D for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:37:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A96D815B3 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:37:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from zero-gravitas.local (unknown [85.199.232.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C404D10DDD for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:37:43 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/C404D10DDD; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: Can anyone see my posts to these lists? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <58D40146.90204@sneakertech.com> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <248f7494-8312-a55d-5110-ae246b9869f7@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:37:36 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <58D40146.90204@sneakertech.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NmPC4fgf6UuB4OdqCcM4OlVSo0WFxDwb1" X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL, RDNS_NONE,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:37:52 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --NmPC4fgf6UuB4OdqCcM4OlVSo0WFxDwb1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="kk7Mj3vIgsQNfm2nForOoAARfoo3SQF9P"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <248f7494-8312-a55d-5110-ae246b9869f7@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Can anyone see my posts to these lists? References: <58D40146.90204@sneakertech.com> In-Reply-To: <58D40146.90204@sneakertech.com> --kk7Mj3vIgsQNfm2nForOoAARfoo3SQF9P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2017/03/23 17:09, Quartz wrote: > I've tried posting twice now to -net and again to -questions. According= > to lists.freebsd.org my posts are going through and show up in the > archive, but I've yet to get a single response to any of them. Can > anyone actually see this message I'm typing now? You are coming through loud and clear. I think the lack of answers is possibly due to people not really getting what you're asking about. Hmmm... Firewall rules to drop multicast traffic shouldn't be too difficult. Not sure about matching 6to4 addresses. However in each case the real question is 'should you filter these out?' To which the only possible answer is "maybe". Multicast traffic can be useful, but lots of networks are not configured to route it properly, so it tends to get dumped out your default route and never bother your hosts at all. If you know you need multicast then you will want to add appropriate filter rules. If you don't know you need it, then you probably don't need to worry about it. As for 6to4 traffic: don't bother with 6to4 locally unless you have a specific problem to solve. Most networkable things will cope with IPv6 nowadays, and if your network is IPv6 enabled, just configure everything on it to use IPv6 natively and don't bother with 6to4 on your router. Otherwise (if you're stuck in the past), stick to IPv4 only and turn off IPv6 support. As for remote contacts using 6to4? That's their problem, which will not affect you and which you do not need to worry about. Cheers, Matthew --kk7Mj3vIgsQNfm2nForOoAARfoo3SQF9P-- --NmPC4fgf6UuB4OdqCcM4OlVSo0WFxDwb1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJY1AflXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQxOUYxNTRFQ0JGMTEyRTUwNTQ0RTNGMzAw MDUxM0YxMEUwQTlFNEU3AAoJEABRPxDgqeTnGTAP/RuYAjAX5FlEmuiBA4WlrSjp yugBdqsF6DfjmnN9JITT6BiBEEcVYPCGweFOkIJnLgRpaspRmHB5kTXsRIHonEtj iWoo5704CD5UYWwdnVBN8fWe+UQcXb0FSOfFZ7NF2643gYuioQ2Xt3BOUYrQeoI2 6tjDHPUr+NeETLnp9o0g/58EA6FcOdlfolUIQ1uRbmyc3WAbS0k7yRZedZzouu9K LOZpQT1ghl4o9ZOQNx3rsAbZa36v+OuuLypk/e/Cgk1NKL+ZktL6tJ+b4ZDnNNsf LGcXIbb1iuoW8eYqRPwa8J3V/G8FoF6AqPfYJns5TVbnbyoZyWnZhPsXSpH3E+I8 vBtonM+QR31Fk42TMoWtDLpJqKwYHxHMunMhEVrKVBXiCci1DZaX/Aiq7cJ42Fm9 fWIHRdjg7qFDCqHZqpT37WUGQ6KnUYGZFfJWS0xpsYuzuZYc1fcK7iwJRFSg9paY HNmIRIssg9IkAjgj2hcKGHuXQRdD/uI5a/oGawYx1NyvEkbGRzh4TB31Tz1kXznh ODaN5u4n9V6V+OXOMQC4Ka6bGlV6AD3jLInHTqt1gJI7TBJzcnb15qHTmyCdP7Y7 hQSDeIr0Fx53/RNjot4gHryA3+gnZtozmHe2Ts99IfyumDz+GrrFGkW0vwtvF1FL 8/7Aw2VP4boFonBgazse =aerN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NmPC4fgf6UuB4OdqCcM4OlVSo0WFxDwb1-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 17:38:19 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF532D1AB75 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:38:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.home.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org", Issuer "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 844881697 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:38:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.home.qeng-ho.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v2NHcFti054404; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:38:15 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Subject: Re: Can anyone see my posts to these lists? To: Quartz , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <58D40146.90204@sneakertech.com> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: <640ce1c9-f226-65e3-923b-2e5af04305e7@qeng-ho.org> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:38:15 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <58D40146.90204@sneakertech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:38:20 -0000 On 23/03/2017 17:09, Quartz wrote: > I've tried posting twice now to -net and again to -questions. According > to lists.freebsd.org my posts are going through and show up in the > archive, but I've yet to get a single response to any of them. Can > anyone actually see this message I'm typing now? I see a question about filtering multicast and 6to4 dated yesterday. It was pretty vague, so maybe nobody felt they could help. Try asking a specific question rather than just saying you're not sure you understand it. Have you tried Google/Wikipedia/networking text books for background information? Have you done anything to sort out your lack of understanding. If so, say what you've done and narrow the subject down to specific problems. -- By June 1949, people had begun to realize that it was not so easy to get a program right as had at one time appeared. It was on one of my journeys between the EDSAC room and the punching equipment that the realization came over me with full force that a good part of the remainder of my life was going to be spent in finding errors in my own programs. -- Maurice Wilkes From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 17:58:10 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E511D1AFF1 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:58:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jkeen@verizon.net) Received: from omr-m013e.mx.aol.com (omr-m013e.mx.aol.com [204.29.186.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 72B371F1C for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:58:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jkeen@verizon.net) Received: from mtaout-mce02.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mce02.mx.aol.com [172.29.27.206]) by omr-m013e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A9500380009E for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.44] (0x5b3139322e3136382e312e34345d [71.246.117.78]) by mtaout-mce02.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id B2897380000A5 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Can anyone see my posts to these lists? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <58D40146.90204@sneakertech.com> From: James E Keenan Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:58:02 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <58D40146.90204@sneakertech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d1bce58d40caa1fad X-AOL-IP: 71.246.117.78 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:58:10 -0000 On 03/23/2017 01:09 PM, Quartz wrote: > I've tried posting twice now to -net and again to -questions. According > to lists.freebsd.org my posts are going through and show up in the > archive, but I've yet to get a single response to any of them. Can > anyone actually see this message I'm typing now? > Yes. Since the beginning of March you have gotten responses from other contributors to postings in two different threads: What's the correct mailing list for networking/firewall stuff? 2 responses Off topic: smtp HELO question 6 responses I have no expertise in the particular areas discussed in your posts, so I cannot say whether those responses were or were not satisfactory. Thank you very much. James E Keenan From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 18:14:41 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F31D1A77B for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 18:14:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC6061CCF for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 18:14:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (pool-72-74-34-8.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [72.74.34.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 406263F558 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <58D4108E.9080802@sneakertech.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:14:38 -0400 From: Quartz MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can anyone see my posts to these lists? References: <58D40146.90204@sneakertech.com> <248f7494-8312-a55d-5110-ae246b9869f7@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <248f7494-8312-a55d-5110-ae246b9869f7@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 18:14:41 -0000 OK, thanks for responding everyone. Between this and my recent issues with people at the local university not responding to me I've been paranoid that my mail is being blocked somehow. > I think the lack of answers is possibly due to people not really getting > what you're asking about. Yeah, I figured it was probably too technical for -questions which is why I tried asking -net first, but two messages over a week and so far nothing. >If you know you need multicast then > you will want to add appropriate filter rules. If you don't know you > need it, then you probably don't need to worry about it. Security is the major concern in this instance. I'd like to lock things down as much as possible and suppress malicious/rogue software, but without "breaking the internet" by stopping clients from watching streaming video and such. For example, we don't connect through carrier-grade-NAT, but it's unclear to me if that means it's safe to block the 100.64.0.0 range or if that will prevent us from obtaining an external address initially. > As for 6to4 traffic: don't bother with 6to4 locally unless you have a > specific problem to solve. The 192.88.99.0 range is designated as 6to4 relay lookup. I'm not sure exactly what this does, but since our external connection doesn't yet support ipv6 I'm also not sure if we would use this or under what circumstances (and therefore if it's safe to block or not). If -net isn't responding and this is out of the scope of -questions, can you suggest another mailing list or web forum somewhere where I might be able to find help? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 18:29:45 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498F1D1AE87 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 18:29:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21AE217BE for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 18:29:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58AA1623AF for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:29:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lsOVw4RvLR99 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CF85A60FAB for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:29:35 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=harte-lyne.ca; s=dkim_hll; t=1490293775; bh=fJt6TkQiXWJPDUP3xJ8dwnJK3secryxryLrsbKPdDQ0=; h=Date:Subject:From:To:Reply-To; b=IFbSy5zcyhi+eaaqGKRjONfJJPD3h0UpDGAZRjgLTYPISHZngeQUEpRT15QfHEZd2 HpvoG5Ze2VBMCx8QUchUH3TsUPgvb5ZtlZ8OL1JtJIAQ8FereD6kQAgbCm5sFMYSuI Ue+mMFInynX24FVSwylAS3RzWGklPVg627HIhsNYKplOGDBO8Wa+j1JYJxHgDg1tkp cVA3JoHyoFrvziajAanZY0lXIqg+Mbr5v7JQSqsXhxPzKFRoxa8ECp0IMiux3Gf2f0 V1fRpnxdfUarCS1rAkfDkbKDESX5/wB8qKbxWslKqNGQkQHSYf1JxIdG2AsgixX5/k 3VOLEzZF63Osg== Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:29:35 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:29:35 -0400 Subject: Restaarting PF and its effects on jails and vms From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-4.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 18:29:45 -0000 I am revising the pf configuration for the FreeBSD-10.3 host of a number of FreeBSD-11.0 BHyve instances. When I restart PF on the host then traffic to a number of guests gets blocked even though the ruleset says it should not be. Since the incoming ports for the blocked traffic appear to be from the upper dynamic range I infer that this traffic is related to connections established before PF was restarted and are now 'orphaned' in consequence. In other words, had the initial connection between client anf service been made while PF was already running the traffic being blocked following a restart would have been let through as being part of an established connection. What is the recommended way of dealing with this issue when restarting PF, if there is one? -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 19:20:56 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E7CCBB063 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 19:20:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xxjack12xx@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22f.google.com (mail-wm0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57B421377 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 19:20:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xxjack12xx@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id t189so4686989wmt.1 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:20:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=MzCVlcBQFwQdxd2ivmrRJRQhMuUQ+qDwCEPq/TI3szw=; b=ZFe3txaP5lR+f0+4GQZHn13hp4BNs6OpYNvOO7/Gg+EOlzJlj2dH8ZE4KdOtHuWk02 pw333D747abBN7G8kbsGyAzTzBRsDp9LkrJFVedn/A1b8PuQXAb3p+JdCu+gm0jF0eB0 Q1uVDWDRsJaAxK5Bf+oIbZophW46zDMuMXDr1nseuTc6aHSG3hWIsUKTCOqz/VbEsFdH VTHYhwcyJ2Kl41vZxQdTpntzHmPcOBjh9VgL+rn/Q5mDf26m1xyPs8Cr6ORQXgmmjfhT JeAEYWcQZwLRP5GnNVrA6W4vFBFKPlz4lCA3b4rENWx8Ji3Fw826uFl/bZnLoi5dhWN6 IQsA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=MzCVlcBQFwQdxd2ivmrRJRQhMuUQ+qDwCEPq/TI3szw=; b=Oo/gsu6KDGrYDdgYuHk3fT341CY67Oyw2NsUf0P+NES0HF1cmeJsoBVUcDF6sj8TQj AfE5SANaG9KSy1mXAa5YFSpm05aKPW2VBT79T6siHjaYDw84ZQa01Q2zpw8c0M3eUDU+ nhEIwmGei2vfgsmr4/J63fd0fyY30ZfOu+WZK3TkNaCNjrWOS0gHDkvro1ShDTn4xVjs E+6llxCjl7UmZKZIBiEnJ4JaLjUrLKNer14A3liPSVCaaDxEHwXe04CL8ZYUi6nBU8UE G4NZAzjqWy0GN2Y3SGFqPEFfWzszG0Rza3DI8Drh8Q+QBjp9wONmf00uUses4O8YDN6N 4a/w== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H1SYVx1gBZSHPvGAzrkakDOkLJKzAaUEfeG2RKpCSQkq2zDO9SVsruT9RokiDl07r9aJnwjRMZ4fLsN7w== X-Received: by 10.28.98.66 with SMTP id w63mr4392363wmb.33.1490296853981; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:20:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.179.3 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:20:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <58D40146.90204@sneakertech.com> References: <58D40146.90204@sneakertech.com> From: "Jack L." Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:20:13 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Can anyone see my posts to these lists? To: Quartz Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 19:20:56 -0000 i see your messages On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Quartz wrote: > I've tried posting twice now to -net and again to -questions. According to > lists.freebsd.org my posts are going through and show up in the archive, but > I've yet to get a single response to any of them. Can anyone actually see > this message I'm typing now? > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 19:46:58 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85894CBBC59 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 19:46:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from radel.com (fly.radel.com [70.184.242.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.radel.com", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2956814AE for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 19:46:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.19.2 (ClamAV engine v0.99.2) X-ExtFilter: Niversoft's DomainKeys Helper DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; d=radel.com; s=20170108.radel; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=tzfI2/WaIeGFLCVWiW3tk/v77ADY/Nnohzw9/GwImKyaFR6NqP/Q19xSyxiYSXYoZL dFbOIwL7qUkQVC08G5A53ee7dnpeMzOX9OvKZh25VFRfizmQlN7kGu8tEiHrAHGJ7sQD O6+Kg0RTntF9DN1sEDiqi018upV600YsnVpwG33xdwlTU60pYSy3XF3h4fCfJMewrVqO Gmi8/YVFCOZUMUR40x94uC6LNSrGc4gyeKXwOMQDlf6jILcwBXnPloRdnQV33fad8wv/ piBfoXb7ayNCYgQNZWxhqWPuhCDS3MzgwgA7SAwWLhkkiArxRncDW+K4gjJEAgvSNJuB Kfiw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=radel.com; s=20170108.radel; t=1490294808; x=1490899608; q=dns/txt; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date: User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; bh=lqOV2Tdf8Vp tClOe00R7NoZJSenIol1YWE0Q3y17/fs=; b=T6yVV+BWnpWs/DvLVckWkGTPI0w q0Yb5zM2i1EcKeQbW3zM1N7xthdJGKZkPRniJjDQKfFsWYSmGB6uSfsloQhozDq6 8nh7SzGDW20qWYvDrq93kB7skG6pLEkoKf0TwJse3gAtpMJj2DsHNXI1ykgCfZ3e RGZAWM4EhNACMEk09kW9ORbqG87OF5EErpYHYWcnn3lFvbeiEC6o1dT2UGVQ1Ckp 9fsL+iKjx8jW6j1Q8dsbsh7hUsBAao0zVEJA0N7FR7wBd0n901VETGt3+gMH+fgA OU40is2U3dSSMXm8BYxuikuAYbCyaTeiAOg7UK1jwffy+Qmyrpjo6+4xDMQ== Received: from [2001:470:880a:4389:b041:118b:755:857] (account jon@radel.com HELO gravenstein.local) by radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.14 _community_) with ESMTPSA id 1296584; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 18:46:48 +0000 Subject: Re: Restaarting PF and its effects on jails and vms To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Jon Radel Message-ID: <9b4c2ebf-3dfc-c536-530c-495ebe62528a@radel.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:46:47 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms030008060803030404000005" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 19:46:58 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030008060803030404000005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 3/23/17 2:29 PM, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > Since the incoming ports for the blocked traffic appear to be from the > upper dynamic range I infer that this traffic is related to > connections established before PF was restarted and are now 'orphaned' > in consequence. In other words, had the initial connection between > client anf service been made while PF was already running the traffic > being blocked following a restart would have been let through as being > part of an established connection. If you're depending on state maintenance, and "normal" PF rules pretty much always would, this is almost certainly precisely the case. >=20 > What is the recommended way of dealing with this issue when restarting > PF, if there is one? The literal answer to your question is that I don't know of one. A better question however, is there something more useful to do than restarting PF? For that, the answer would be: pfctl -f -F I'm confident that you can come up with cases where that doesn't work out, but if you're making small changes, and avoid flushing the states, that might well solve your problem. 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mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C393D192D9 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:07:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zhaghzhagh@openmailbox.org) Received: from mail.openmailbox.org (lb1.openmailbox.org [5.79.108.160]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC0A31B39 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:07:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zhaghzhagh@openmailbox.org) Received: by mail.openmailbox.org (Postfix, from userid 20002) id B8B69514741; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 22:07:17 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=openmailbox.org; s=openmailbox; t=1490303237; bh=opIznRIsx7ajrP6x1dayfJQOKbFPehdlUdW7PmFn4PE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=A+5D1sVYf0eYqq82tpVWD8eNM5JNl+KfsfZaGyrh80LrrtySgtsn3Jh0+RLNWjtY5 z1tt7TxGw1sOhn5KzjnpnxbxvNwu5gbXrvlt/rMV3Ftr1N55lnap41r6ttV6rd8UGE 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Message-ID: X-Sender: zhaghzhagh@openmailbox.org User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.0.6 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:07:27 -0000 Hello While upgrading my root file-system encrypted FreeBSD 10.2 I ended up with a system not being able to boot. The error message is: ... Mounting from ufs:/dev/ada0p3.eli failed with error 19. ... Earlier in the boot process: ... /boot/kernel/kernel text=0xf7a155 data=0xdb810+0x160f88 syms=[0x4+0xd7fd0+0x4+0x15f114] /boot/kernel/geom_eli.ko text=0x107cc data=0x4d8+0x134 syms=[0x4+0x1260+0x4+0x16c1] /loading required module 'crypto' /boot/kernel/crypto.ko text=0x20354 data=0x824+0x248 syms=[0x4+0x1ba0+0x4+0x21fc] loading required module 'kernel' ---> module 'kernel' exists but with wrong version Booting... Copyright (c) 1992-2015 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. ---> FreeBSD 10.2-RELEASE-p18 #0: Sat May 28 07:06:45 UTC 2016 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GEMERIC i386 FreeBSD clang version 3.4.1 (tags/RELEASE_34/dot1-final 208032) 20140512 XEN: Hypervisor version 3.4 detected. ... I recall while setting up full disk encryption, I created a tiny unencrypted partition for the kernel files, plus there was some tweaking with symbolic links between the encrypted and the unencrypted partition. (Unfortunately my notes about this are on the unbootable host. I clearly remember there was a '/unenc/' directory and some files in it, however it was long ago to remember all details...) What could be the issue? And how could it be fixed? The 10.2 to 10.3 upgrade went through, only after the 2nd restart it stopped booting. (Strangely I did earlier an upgrade from 10.1 to 10.2 with the same setup, and it worked perfectly.) My 2nd guess is that in the middle of the upgrade the nightly periodic job was triggered that might have fetched again 10.2 kernel files. (?) Thanks in advance for any help! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 23 22:15:14 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5566DD1B3E3 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 22:15:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dump@gmx.com.br) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF3271362 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 22:15:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dump@gmx.com.br) Received: from localhost ([177.192.249.66]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103 [212.227.17.174]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M5MIN-1bxzOR44Sd-00zUfb for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 23:15:05 +0100 From: Dump Mail Address To: Subject: TexLive: can't change fonts. Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 19:16:17 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <34632965-b775-4963-8508-388851c8d040@gmx.com.br> User-Agent: Trojita Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:8FYfRvek7zVUFTbYit53yxWy+KOMzVCfs3ltY7FF3QMd/FRWXmY VUkvF1nxQl+5FQqhzTCqOjkD/GQlxFaWaFa6rVxSth2Wx1TI//vc/gP84C1y3FN5vxeSjDL XO2I2XYYd0VtGbVC7ma2E+I3xjmHoVuB4W/vSgcRcSSuNBgec+w3cbp/5qnLGKO8iwu36tR zrNjqtNgg52C8DCNazkbA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:1hMY6CSnmXA=:rvg3Bv7yvEqVPrfn+8xYoX RQcz4F3HhbEXUTcOesEZeeuaJds0Sq641qCmqaRsYtWLkvJ9+Kva5j5u70yf0bJgKzUHTB2Y7 +d2jPE1DPeNNyKCgF4xdHH5WKU85Gec4UNaQ8ERjl5JT0YCD5lMSxt8joeyPbJ7J8y5DBQtnU M1tA7dtwRpaz1kCkXpBq80HLXNrWC2H0BonexKSxUonU3l5ly43Cd+8iD29TyisJYZYC2jDjg 5SJCjFAp804T5kPucOpc05XAGEuopLHlqX2cnprTDeDpBCMuYeLzx7x8OopltQGURoQrhAtj1 YAkBP2Rp6HUIgihb1YHwW5nEptIWJXKh4IEz42eJ7GhDm64fpD+hk9JTBoCG5kUcYhGM5vLlB sRHuC44qCfv8vEIh5sCSiFRZpmivlCn+tbRFmlbvqq5DxdR8mU1PklntNVLSzAVp4CaBK4V8K cLloHSXJ2QWb/wOfyNUKpvKzVdDDQGzPxhFzfP5kl9CODnjo/sw+KQw+FQJAB7X3obJOO6Z1V CvdeJsDv8XJoK4rm4H4QcQqVQqjygSJgUm8mxM2+jNequNirGlltbaP/PlBuf0wGp/WiP3X/w Lc9yyvXpJ0l4iBv88ttDPrnvdSY5Vn31leB6oXO+bB1DPn1zR0BQN0thJawG59TOoD+d7xUfj n+cnAvSPTj4a8WQPYFlkhTt1EACsBZLTJ7zmIO5b6tLW49gnj8/XRZwFaPGaxCu6Mj3DHloxQ RyCAILo+I7vlO/hA5dX+yMyBsVbSVy/NUGcvoT9eEmZkFg7xZBrNx7XOjbYrhQXd/aTm3JAVE eLm53ph X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 22:15:14 -0000 Hello, 11.0-RELEASE-p1, and texlive-full installed from ports. I am getting serious problems to get fonts working on Texlive. I sent an=20 e-mail before to freebsd-tex but it aparently was ignored. Basically the only font properly working is some kind of "generic" serif=20 one. It is certainly not Computer Modern nor Latin Modern. Wherever font I try to use, including lmodern, I do get an error of it not=20= being installed. The only exception I found is "URW Classico" I installed=20 using getnonfreefonts-sys, but only when setting=20 "\allsectionsfont{\sffamily}", and only in the sections. For lmodern: "mktexpk: don't know how to create bitmap font for ec-lmr12. mktexpk:=20 perhaps ec-lmr12 is missing from the map file." kpsewhich ec-lmr12.tfm: "/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/fonts/tfm/public/lm/ec-lmr12.tfm" Using updmap-sys didn't help. I created a forum post where the problem is more wisely explained: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/60150/ Thank you in advance. LBdM. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 24 06:22:33 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F6CD1B0F1 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 06:22:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A64CB83 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 06:22:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from testbox.news4all.se (testbox.usenet4all.se [10.0.0.3]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id v2O6MQrY011468; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 07:22:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Subject: Re: 10.2 to 10.3 upgrade: Mounting from ufs:/dev/ada0p3.eli failed with error 19. To: zhaghzhagh@openmailbox.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Bernt Hansson Message-ID: <5b240220-855d-a109-5858-42a2689f47f6@bananmonarki.se> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 07:22:26 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 06:22:33 -0000 On 2017-03-23 22:07, zhaghzhagh@openmailbox.org wrote: > Hello > > While upgrading my root file-system encrypted FreeBSD 10.2 I ended up > with a system not being able to boot. The error message is: > > ... > Mounting from ufs:/dev/ada0p3.eli failed with error 19. > ... > > Earlier in the boot process: > > ... > /boot/kernel/kernel text=0xf7a155 data=0xdb810+0x160f88 > syms=[0x4+0xd7fd0+0x4+0x15f114] > /boot/kernel/geom_eli.ko text=0x107cc data=0x4d8+0x134 > syms=[0x4+0x1260+0x4+0x16c1] > /loading required module 'crypto' > /boot/kernel/crypto.ko text=0x20354 data=0x824+0x248 > syms=[0x4+0x1ba0+0x4+0x21fc] > loading required module 'kernel' > ---> module 'kernel' exists but with wrong version > ---> FreeBSD 10.2-RELEASE-p18 #0: Sat May 28 07:06:45 UTC 2016 Your kernel and userland is out of sync. Either you have a 10.3 kernel and 10.2 userland or the other way around 10.2 kernel and 10.3 userland. Well they are out of sync anyway. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 24 08:20:13 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033F3D1B04C for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 08:20:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.home.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org", Issuer "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C6081D04 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 08:20:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.home.qeng-ho.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v2O8K5QY059987; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 08:20:06 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Subject: Re: Restaarting PF and its effects on jails and vms To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 08:20:05 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 08:20:13 -0000 On 23/03/2017 18:29, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > I am revising the pf configuration for the FreeBSD-10.3 host of a > number of FreeBSD-11.0 BHyve instances. When I restart PF on the host > then traffic to a number of guests gets blocked even though the > ruleset says it should not be. > > Since the incoming ports for the blocked traffic appear to be from the > upper dynamic range I infer that this traffic is related to > connections established before PF was restarted and are now 'orphaned' > in consequence. In other words, had the initial connection between > client anf service been made while PF was already running the traffic > being blocked following a restart would have been let through as being > part of an established connection. > > What is the recommended way of dealing with this issue when restarting > PF, if there is one? Don't restart pf, reload it. "service pf reload" goes to great lengths not to interfere with existing connections whereas "service pf restart" blows away everything before restarting. This is fresh in my mind because I made exactly the same mistake last week before remembering to reload. :-) -- By June 1949, people had begun to realize that it was not so easy to get a program right as had at one time appeared. It was on one of my journeys between the EDSAC room and the punching equipment that the realization came over me with full force that a good part of the remainder of my life was going to be spent in finding errors in my own programs. -- Maurice Wilkes From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 24 08:53:11 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746ECD1BAE1 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 08:53:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from smtp1.irishbroadband.ie (smtp2.irishbroadband.ie [62.231.32.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4034D10F1 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 08:53:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from [89.127.62.20] (helo=smtp.lan.sohara.org) by smtp1.irishbroadband.ie with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1crKxw-0005kO-Ng for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 08:53:00 +0000 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.88 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1crKym-000ANx-Ch for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 08:53:52 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 08:52:55 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Restaarting PF and its effects on jails and vms Message-Id: <20170324085255.75877b36939d70b1238d08c1@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.1 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 08:53:11 -0000 On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 08:20:05 +0000 Arthur Chance wrote: > Don't restart pf, reload it. "service pf reload" goes to great lengths > not to interfere with existing connections whereas "service pf restart" > blows away everything before restarting. Thank you very much for mentioning that, I could wish I'd known it a couple of weeks ago :) -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 24 09:16:48 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61181CA1381 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 09:16:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk0-x235.google.com (mail-qk0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BD8B1E57 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 09:16:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qk0-x235.google.com with SMTP id f11so6193639qkb.0 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 02:16:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Ztvk6rDA4YuucKJ74tQf1/GWW+yDfy6Tn8cdVxQqCMI=; b=T8O4zE2GYJpi2loLIKtKtA80eA0ZJJg5NVPCF4RKGCuP9/PnepIBG/DdMDJRqSoFT4 KbEWA8fDCJM+NYLDXwP+9mC0UCXb6mq506fjhrh0AWEBSV5cd/AjqKVizOib56lWML5B epMXOB3tiYdXkbGpfJ7G215OF+Cntq2jQP3CWkJtgL6gplYbB1pefu1VdMdX7Bcb6c04 z+kSHtiZRSC6DwGUt9lpo0ZNxPCOyq07BaU2iVolndNfRBPBaMtDleBPgVkd2mwY9lwM 01uC6q3z/b+k3SGWCOiE950x6dCmMp3LiZtn0x8VsjIzu0zCgZReB9j/fUl1oVKrUOQ+ BXHg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Ztvk6rDA4YuucKJ74tQf1/GWW+yDfy6Tn8cdVxQqCMI=; b=gcA5oHEmOuDVj4kfbj7ZjtO54U+kBWv21J3REuC3UjDsMip/eI/U5+jz1D445gfJaM 4++9KU0/ax0MdCU15zim41NH57ceSWvcSly0uXSHNjsBWL/oGXm0sNR/Ze8aK3ULAKbt j1daT2qSHuKiGr/0/STWp09+fnOSElU6MpSzMoojPyuHA/UUD6j0KsVg1TdPxbraNMkz nSYdxCs5bTFj+vJe32HAolq+IO0J1AzZZ7Hutf9tf+zmS1JkMZhcP1pVfROD6U0HH2Kh ijYN4H9EJqgbijQpEez0GHE/vy6z7m7NSDvhgWrW1RSsZaTND6aVtKrthOf7NrLQ5JlR 1yiQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H3sbO91Fz5FJiiMuvZlmQErnPRFARkGM3v5ECmeEdTqI4adFFegdxsxTUM6gaSBqoqKZtrdZi841LswkQ== X-Received: by 10.55.147.131 with SMTP id v125mr6037751qkd.39.1490347007379; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 02:16:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.55.74.149 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 02:16:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 12:16:06 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Restaarting PF and its effects on jails and vms To: Arthur Chance Cc: "James B. Byrne" , User Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 09:16:48 -0000 On 24 March 2017 at 11:20, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 23/03/2017 18:29, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > > I am revising the pf configuration for the FreeBSD-10.3 host of a > > number of FreeBSD-11.0 BHyve instances. When I restart PF on the host > > then traffic to a number of guests gets blocked even though the > > ruleset says it should not be. > > > > Since the incoming ports for the blocked traffic appear to be from the > > upper dynamic range I infer that this traffic is related to > > connections established before PF was restarted and are now 'orphaned' > > in consequence. In other words, had the initial connection between > > client anf service been made while PF was already running the traffic > > being blocked following a restart would have been let through as being > > part of an established connection. > > > > What is the recommended way of dealing with this issue when restarting > > PF, if there is one? > > Don't restart pf, reload it. "service pf reload" goes to great lengths > not to interfere with existing connections whereas "service pf restart" > blows away everything before restarting. > > This is fresh in my mind because I made exactly the same mistake last > week before remembering to reload. :-) > A quick one, before I get to RTFM, is there an equivalent 'reload' option for pfctl (9.3-STABLE)? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft." From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 24 09:22:04 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85D6CA1585 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 09:22:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.home.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org", Issuer "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 691871222 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 09:22:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.home.qeng-ho.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v2O9M0j3060369; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 09:22:01 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Subject: Re: Restaarting PF and its effects on jails and vms To: Odhiambo Washington References: Cc: "James B. Byrne" , User Questions From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: <2ba51e04-6065-b21a-367f-1137ab22d2bc@qeng-ho.org> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 09:22:00 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 09:22:05 -0000 On 24/03/2017 09:16, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On 24 March 2017 at 11:20, Arthur Chance wrote: > >> On 23/03/2017 18:29, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: >>> I am revising the pf configuration for the FreeBSD-10.3 host of a >>> number of FreeBSD-11.0 BHyve instances. When I restart PF on the host >>> then traffic to a number of guests gets blocked even though the >>> ruleset says it should not be. >>> >>> Since the incoming ports for the blocked traffic appear to be from the >>> upper dynamic range I infer that this traffic is related to >>> connections established before PF was restarted and are now 'orphaned' >>> in consequence. In other words, had the initial connection between >>> client anf service been made while PF was already running the traffic >>> being blocked following a restart would have been let through as being >>> part of an established connection. >>> >>> What is the recommended way of dealing with this issue when restarting >>> PF, if there is one? >> >> Don't restart pf, reload it. "service pf reload" goes to great lengths >> not to interfere with existing connections whereas "service pf restart" >> blows away everything before restarting. >> >> This is fresh in my mind because I made exactly the same mistake last >> week before remembering to reload. :-) >> > > A quick one, before I get to RTFM, is there an equivalent 'reload' option > for pfctl (9.3-STABLE)? > It's all pfctl. By using service(8) I was referring to the rc.d script for pf, but that sits over pfctl. The reload part is (on 10.3) pf_reload() { echo "Reloading pf rules." $pf_program -n -f "$pf_rules" || return 1 # Flush everything but existing state entries that way when # rules are read in, it doesn't break established connections. $pf_program -Fnat -Fqueue -Frules -FSources -Finfo -FTables -Fosfp > /dev/null 2>&1 $pf_program -f "$pf_rules" $pf_flags } Apologies if my mailer breaks the long line. -- By June 1949, people had begun to realize that it was not so easy to get a program right as had at one time appeared. It was on one of my journeys between the EDSAC room and the punching equipment that the realization came over me with full force that a good part of the remainder of my life was going to be spent in finding errors in my own programs. -- Maurice Wilkes From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 24 09:27:48 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC2CCA1883 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 09:27:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk0-x22b.google.com (mail-qk0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1931F1509 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 09:27:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qk0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id p22so6309413qka.3 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 02:27:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=dr1rEAK0hxS8M1shjKNm6P+51DRj3wivsln0bsmM/kk=; b=FHXDDDu/wJys+pn0mQ/tIzUI4PxAPrWjZaJVTrgNDmj7P2iBrt7Rev+uCatSHBvm74 t4sg2ZmqPWIutt8tUQoQuWEYUn3NsBZ6sNDptCrJ7PRj+uX7JxsnQPfUUUKWwXidr+pE hOnMkkPGkD4lmTNhzCe9uf5vT6pLOp1VrNhedBUf/oDPW4ut1P9by9ZbFBuIJKNpF2ob uu+/s9qj66BNFIXo2csPl38zF2MAyQJB7MYImQLNcb8yqXoR3HuJQ+37mZqcmUxOuNxb Cm45/vSBNddvRIqSjdWAC7c1UjPYfzF+miihmhmIo7kSTmzt2puZ94ZLRbh/iNOU5FO8 H/tA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=dr1rEAK0hxS8M1shjKNm6P+51DRj3wivsln0bsmM/kk=; b=Z89dbTPeogUgHWcgtz5jwK9G4FZhh119rDjb2tExcc8sQr8MUDVIePluwfBVfjs5m3 /wCHzTdOA5UI4PDj9ykpZkwKB3JV5siX29mr8T/NYCpfV+ubbLvPN2QToQ0DTUWnW8T0 J/ykcpzUV3mI1XT3MvbpzpjK+VbVIumf06e/8NGfF8NZUFiCGhuFao+e+g6enfOjoD7P 1Q++g9HAfFUgMrbByBhDlt1rjQvkeINOlLkm0ELUYN46eKHqD2wc5Qxi/uX+HitheQmv RR1rdVOjH/wSkJp8B3KPNkBPw6UOrjOvgvW1/1fHyjzdEeiDM3frAwNMiSTPQYYctPke 7PjA== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H3nLPYOblg+O8fXsBNqWB1GvWWhcF9FQf+MNaCl4IZrPkVwSIrDSboC5/Votnq5/hVLRsRNecAGwlCBnQ== X-Received: by 10.55.49.130 with SMTP id x124mr215866qkx.63.1490347667283; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 02:27:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.55.74.149 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 02:27:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2ba51e04-6065-b21a-367f-1137ab22d2bc@qeng-ho.org> References: <2ba51e04-6065-b21a-367f-1137ab22d2bc@qeng-ho.org> From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 12:27:06 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Restaarting PF and its effects on jails and vms To: Arthur Chance Cc: "James B. Byrne" , User Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 09:27:48 -0000 On 24 March 2017 at 12:22, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 24/03/2017 09:16, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > On 24 March 2017 at 11:20, Arthur Chance wrote: > > > >> On 23/03/2017 18:29, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > >>> I am revising the pf configuration for the FreeBSD-10.3 host of a > >>> number of FreeBSD-11.0 BHyve instances. When I restart PF on the host > >>> then traffic to a number of guests gets blocked even though the > >>> ruleset says it should not be. > >>> > >>> Since the incoming ports for the blocked traffic appear to be from the > >>> upper dynamic range I infer that this traffic is related to > >>> connections established before PF was restarted and are now 'orphaned' > >>> in consequence. In other words, had the initial connection between > >>> client anf service been made while PF was already running the traffic > >>> being blocked following a restart would have been let through as being > >>> part of an established connection. > >>> > >>> What is the recommended way of dealing with this issue when restarting > >>> PF, if there is one? > >> > >> Don't restart pf, reload it. "service pf reload" goes to great lengths > >> not to interfere with existing connections whereas "service pf restart" > >> blows away everything before restarting. > >> > >> This is fresh in my mind because I made exactly the same mistake last > >> week before remembering to reload. :-) > >> > > > > A quick one, before I get to RTFM, is there an equivalent 'reload' option > > for pfctl (9.3-STABLE)? > > > > It's all pfctl. By using service(8) I was referring to the rc.d script > for pf, but that sits over pfctl. The reload part is (on 10.3) > > pf_reload() > { > echo "Reloading pf rules." > $pf_program -n -f "$pf_rules" || return 1 > # Flush everything but existing state entries that way when > # rules are read in, it doesn't break established connections. > $pf_program -Fnat -Fqueue -Frules -FSources -Finfo -FTables > -Fosfp > /dev/null 2>&1 > $pf_program -f "$pf_rules" $pf_flags > } > > Apologies if my mailer breaks the long line. > Perfect! -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft." From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 24 11:20:50 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D226D19F3E for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 11:20:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cdptpa-oedge", Issuer "cdptpa-oedge" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56C171A5E for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 11:20:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [76.181.114.47] ([76.181.114.47:43690] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-omsmta01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTP id 70/C7-03423-A0105D85; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 11:20:42 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.40] (helo=desktop.example.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1crNGr-0003D0-OO for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 07:20:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Can anyone see my posts to these lists? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <58D40146.90204@sneakertech.com> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 07:20:41 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <58D40146.90204@sneakertech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.6:25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 11:20:50 -0000 On 03/23/17 13:09, Quartz wrote: > I've tried posting twice now to -net and again to -questions. According > to lists.freebsd.org my posts are going through and show up in the > archive, but I've yet to get a single response to any of them. Can > anyone actually see this message I'm typing now? > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" No I did not see this post. How do you expect for me to reply to a non existent post? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 24 11:38:33 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5666ED1B580 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 11:38:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dch@skunkwerks.at) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26DCF14B3 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 11:38:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dch@skunkwerks.at) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC24207F7 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 07:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web6 ([10.202.2.216]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 24 Mar 2017 07:38:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=skunkwerks.at; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=ZHfZZ4QtExyglM7qnNG21aat9Z 1aw9w7U+WHRupbOus=; b=O5a3hnVRpfEC8V2FzDURmSs8ipQK6bbN7ZEcH0wcng ue8rXDln5UGzO1ztKYtWODAU+0rfTOak3FMqv26+u2s7Lp/8GQkLj0rKxgbnKSAj ODYLG2ghjZ5Eh4eSrPTtPRORHN7K8yE6TAC/6rmGN0OuPBDXRIHTXYTdfolHt63Z 8= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=ZHfZZ4 QtExyglM7qnNG21aat9Z1aw9w7U+WHRupbOus=; b=P9UIMOwKexx6RGoARfrmac JCHjifIIxs2EgewZMjEb9jHZYZJP34RDRA8bJoGo+qMGW3ky/0cd0CZyPcISEXNO bmD7HMSWJeYNsaeEUs/w1ovNLbZbOrCOSRyK5b8Ut/IguKx4ihIqumVeOLR11Dvm CN33VAlFwq5LSqMMT9ajMUofCvaQqGgmAxDXw9xVl1aGv8yQJsy/DabFLnKUZJyP ENXsCowt6B05iV8E6wYMUuiS2QG77X9qOm3vefe7Vg2vTI9RuyEAQoebVesQQezX Cl3RlGeFfO+dO9sWZdx4jG7AnWNA19BDVMPiMy9O537vqhJ4DH6q/mt85moD95aA == X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id 2CF3C48006; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 07:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1490355510.3306586.922080680.074E2E52@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Dave Cottlehuber To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-dcf84519 References: <4f1d8dad-52bf-2292-a485-5cd03c394579@qeng-ho.org> Subject: Re: Query on Erlang OTP Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 12:38:30 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4f1d8dad-52bf-2292-a485-5cd03c394579@qeng-ho.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 11:38:33 -0000 On Thu, 23 Mar 2017, at 13:03, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 23/03/2017 05:19, R, Asha wrote: > > I am student working on a project based on VerneMQ and I am new to > > FreeBSD and Erlang. I am trying to compile Erlang OTP on FreeBSD but > > I am not finding the package for download and installation from > > GitHub. > > > > Could you please help me with this? Welcome Asha! VerneMQ relies on a fork of eleveldb which IIRC doesn't compile on FreeBSD yet. This is probably reasonably easy to resolve, digging around in https://github.com/erlio/eleveldb/blob/develop/c_src/Makefile should get you there eventually. BTW there are quite a few erlangers lurking here, make sure you look at DTrace for Erlang/OTP at some point http://erlang.org/doc/apps/runtime_tools/DTRACE.html A+ Dave From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 24 12:59:35 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9BAD18589 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 12:59:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 827CC6E6 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 12:59:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from becker.bs.l ([85.180.6.13]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue103 [212.227.15.145]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lsf1t-1cBYov2bpB-012GIZ for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 13:59:24 +0100 Received: from bsch by becker.bs.l with local (Exim 4.89 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1crOoO-0003lP-4Y for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 13:59:24 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 13:59:24 +0100 From: Bertram Scharpf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Faulty symlink /etc/termcap Message-ID: <20170324125924.GA14363@becker.bs.l> Reply-To: Bertram Scharpf Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.0 (2017-02-23) Sender: Bertram Scharpf X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:d08qPveVN4Zvodw+OaJMKTe8E4fcTG9qtEa/y1Pt9WAY3G9o3Te D6OTWySXZN3FtwNzGTBaYKOSf6SLwXCE4qTuxwjhq7xVRWPGBQfkJ/fkLpbR642j83c6K0W 79aBwLKvlncPM5ov6imHlLLZ02R/dd7BNo4Jawok+83nCfww3tf1rnXGS+lX/gA+0QIrlNh Kkz9k3JLd7AlJsx1J7NRw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:O3xgyH6xmPM=:oRUBjbLyxNOizL3YEcy1hu MFr0X8WevDFMfod85VoSkGQ5UtesLxSDo/pJEI2Srf83iCtOoGWfHDiOYG57gSRZRfDT3oFgm Yuc7tZBqQbIPO28+5UNwBBfy2C27JTpF86O1Qnm/6tyJJsUyKqoylgZ8q9uUPt+vrWagJRnq8 WGWdavXmVWv66ojieLtjONSJk5kJS9hvqHshLqi+VzEehYKZbNS5lKfbaqIo0v0an96GoLFWY AnVZ0ue/ddW0pVFw3+TPuOkwQH32w6cyMBrm5u3enDA8xxzB4pIzIckvHVx7AU2n6fNKW/Xxn ODYJjOmDHBwOOhULfA7ci7kpTk5mm15Li6RdvDbghyUvZxAIXwTrOmLtlwUGl3CheQxJu0yV3 Cw9AEyRA+SzQXtFmWbDMvIp/+1H9ub47GjhnIslAhRvPkkvrC6IZoNRNPUWSJScsyotYZZ57V JlyRw5MhmAx+7T7CrLyNbqTx2CjfD6VzOfOADYCAC59Hdz20ylYmQOlWQktaBWWZNLZWzZ4mX 7Lbpk6veoaf3+FWG4e3Tdp2z0lcSsrmOfyhJGZ0/qYFkP1J0OqlJr9QYWjQjDFnKNjEpmO7c3 eD6WtZCvGMmiBIQPi9N6l7OX7wAGMbTkOt5E2LZmTMg9gBAZmVGQ4PLu+9h/dF/fGfrvxhAbh k+6HCKXrdgfEgm+fBJqBiLm4hkw3bmoV9ODdvo80Y6AoTYx/5/8z6JOP5rjGyQYDsQDY= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 12:59:35 -0000 Hi, # ls -l /etc/termcap lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 23 28 Feb. 2014 /etc/termcap -> /usr/share/misc/termcap First: Shouldn't this rather link down the hierarchy? lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 23 28 Feb. 2014 /etc/termcap -> ../usr/share/misc/termcap Second: I detected that, when I do a # cd /usr/src # mkdir /usr/jail/myjail # make DESTDIR=/usr/jail/myjail distribution there will be a "/usr/jail/myjail/etc/termcap" but no "/usr/jail/myjail/usr/share/misc/termcap". The only reason why the link is not broken is because it links outside the jail. Is this an issue? Bertram -- Bertram Scharpf Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany http://www.bertram-scharpf.de From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 24 13:02:06 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D48D18AA8 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 13:02:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from redlamb@redlamb.net) Received: from smtp.redlamb.net (swoop.redlamb.net [50.244.208.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD732A1B for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 13:02:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from redlamb@redlamb.net) Received: from Shrapnel.local (173-165-231-73-minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.165.231.73]) by smtp-01.ext.mn.redlamb.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 613814E68C for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:48:46 -0500 (CDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Peter Erickson Subject: Read/Write Memory Disk using a Readonly Backing Store Message-ID: <58D4269F.6050600@redlamb.net> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:48:47 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 13:02:07 -0000 Is it possible to create a read/write memory disk that is backed by a readonly file? That is, writes to the memory disk are written somewhere other than the original backing store. I need the original to stay pristine. I'm open to other solutions that solve the problem, but this is what I'm trying to accomplish... I'm need to attach a forensic dd image to a VirtualBox guest and I'm stuck with that fact that I don't have the space to convert it to a supported format.. My plan was to attach the dd image as a readonly memory disk and then attach the raw device to the VM, however VirtualBox won't let me create the "raw vmdk" without read/write access to the drive. When attempting to create the vmdk file, I get the following: (forgive any possible typos. I wasn't able to copy and paste the output.) # VBoxManage internalcommands createrawvmdk \ > -filename ~/raw_access.vmdk -rawdisk /dev/md0 VBoxManage: error: VMDK: could not open raw disk file '/dev/md0' VBoxManage: error: Error code VERR_WRITE_PROTECT at ... VBoxManage: error: Cannot create the raw disk VMDK: VERR_WRITE_PROTECT VBoxManage: error: The raw disk vmdk was not created Thanks in advance. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 24 13:06:08 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4084BD18BF0 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 13:06:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lgroups@vlymskerp.net) Received: from mail.wolk.co.za (mail.wolk.co.za [197.189.230.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D9FCC9 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 13:06:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lgroups@vlymskerp.net) Received: from poskantoor (cal.wolk.co.za [10.30.40.70]) by mail.wolk.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B687227A76 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 14:57:56 +0200 (SAST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at wolk.co.za Received: from mail.wolk.co.za ([10.30.40.70]) by poskantoor (mail.wolk.co.za [10.30.40.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 4QN0wGl_IC1K for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 14:57:52 +0200 (SAST) Received: from [196.1.1.201] (unknown [105.27.171.138]) by mail.wolk.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 12A5522591A for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 14:57:52 +0200 (SAST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Coert Subject: ports kde swt problem Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 14:57:51 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 13:06:08 -0000 Hello all, I am trying to install KDE4 from ports, but it is complaining about swt: ===> License EPL accepted by the user Trying build of swt-devel-3.7.1_2,1 even though it is marked BROKEN. ===> Found saved configuration for swt-devel-3.7.1_2,1 ===> swt-devel-3.7.1_2,1 depends on file: /usr/local/sbin/pkg - found => swt-3.7.1-gtk-linux-x86_64.tar.gz is not in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/swt-devel/distinfo. => Either /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/swt-devel/distinfo is out of date, or => swt-3.7.1-gtk-linux-x86_64.tar.gz is spelled incorrectly. How can I find out what depends on swt? Would it be easier to do rmconfig-recursive, and configure everything again? Kind regards, Coert From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 24 17:26:46 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242F3D1BC84 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:26:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christian.baer@uni-dortmund.de) Received: from dd13304.kasserver.com (dd13304.kasserver.com [85.13.135.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4407122 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:26:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christian.baer@uni-dortmund.de) Received: from tesla.advico (p508E9AD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.142.154.217]) by dd13304.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AD0F81E042D for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 18:20:14 +0100 (CET) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Baer Subject: IM with OMEMO support Message-ID: <36931017-30a5-0911-95aa-ca6e8fca5f1c@uni-dortmund.de> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 18:20:14 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:26:46 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hey everybody! The other day I tried to get Gajim! to run on a current (42.2) OpenSuse Leap. After about two hours I was about to shoot myself - and I hadn't succeeded either. I know that the OMEMO support is still pretty new but getting the dependencies together - some of which are not in the usual packages for OpenSuse and the fact that some are for Python 2.7 and other for 3.4, while Gajim only wants to work with one of these, didn't make the task any easier. Before I try this on FreeBSD and possibly jump out the Window behind me, I thought asking here might be a good idea. A make config didn't give info, although I am pretty surprised that encryption seams to be off by default, which would mean that the packaged does not support encryption either - although I am wondering why there are compiler-options at all considering that Gajim is written in Pyhton. :-) Is getting Gajim to run a Sisyphean task? Would Profanity be a better choice? Note that I need OMEMO to work. I am evaluating using XMPP for an IM solution at work (i.e. Conversations[1] on smartphones) and I would like some sort of a desktop-client too. Take care! Chris [1] https://conversations.im/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iL4EAREKAGYFAljVVU5fFIAAAAAALgAoaXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3Bl bnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDgzRDQzNjY2NUYzMDVBMTYxMDY0ODYwNzMy MDIxMzQyODdFMUJGQjIACgkQMgITQofhv7IS+QD/QzplzwFcH+OAc23EeZdbPVoG zWzoqYPNbFdzkv49qgUA/i11MVzEeg2itnW5bKXQxmthIpx65eajEH5nrkeiv1OI =VmAY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 24 19:44:45 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F766D1C235 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 19:44:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list@museum.rain.com) Received: from ns.umpquanet.com (ns.umpquanet.com [98.158.10.80]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "www.umpquanet.com", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 DV Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 657EED55 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 19:44:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list@museum.rain.com) Received: from ns.umpquanet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.umpquanet.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id v2OJKOVp083749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 12:20:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from list@museum.rain.com) Received: (from james@localhost) by ns.umpquanet.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id v2OJKOQn083748 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 12:20:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from list@museum.rain.com) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 12:20:24 -0700 From: list@museum.rain.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Xorg crashes on startup with "Segmentation fault at address 0x0" Message-ID: <20170324192024.GA80423@ns.umpquanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 19:44:45 -0000 I'm running FreeBSD 11-STABLE on a Dell 7010 with an AMD Radeon graphics card. I recently did a 'pkg upgrade' of kde4, xorg, and dependendents: pkg upgrade -fR .... I can no longer start an X server, due to a segmentation fault error on X startup. The Xorg.0.log is below. At this point I am simply trying to start the X server by running /usr/local/bin/X. I am not yet to the point of trying to use startx/startkde to bring up the KDE environment. I'd like to find out why X is crashing. I am not using an xorg.conf file. hald and dbus are running: jimsdesk : 12:09:32 /home/jim> sockstat | egrep 'hal|dbus' root hald-addon 1085 3 stream -> /var/run/hald/dbus-WzON4ronXi root hald-addon 1085 4 stream -> /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket root hald-addon 1070 3 stream -> /var/run/hald/dbus-WzON4ronXi root hald-runne 1052 3 stream -> /var/run/hald/dbus-HgZp7GfEaE haldaemon hald 1051 9 stream /var/run/hald/dbus-WzON4ronXi haldaemon hald 1051 10 stream -> /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket haldaemon hald 1051 11 stream /var/run/hald/dbus-HgZp7GfEaE haldaemon hald 1051 14 stream /var/run/hald/dbus-HgZp7GfEaE haldaemon hald 1051 47 stream -> /var/run/devd.pipe haldaemon hald 1051 48 stream /var/run/hald/dbus-WzON4ronXi haldaemon hald 1051 49 stream /var/run/hald/dbus-WzON4ronXi polkitd polkitd 914 9 stream -> /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket root console-ki 912 7 stream -> /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket root console-ki 912 9 stream -> /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket messagebus dbus-daemo680 3 stream /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket messagebus dbus-daemo680 8 stream -> ?? messagebus dbus-daemo680 9 stream -> ?? messagebus dbus-daemo680 10 stream /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket messagebus dbus-daemo680 11 dgram -> /var/run/log messagebus dbus-daemo680 12 stream /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket messagebus dbus-daemo680 13 stream /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket messagebus dbus-daemo680 14 stream /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket messagebus dbus-daemo680 15 stream /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket The pciconf output showing my graphics card is also below. Where can i find the "end of the string" to start untangling this problem? Please let me know if I can provide additional diagnostics. I am subscribed to the digest version, so if you will kindly Cc: me directly on your reply, I will receive it sooner. Thank you! Jim Script started on Fri Mar 24 11:40:00 2017 Command: bash -l Any user that is a member of the wheel group can use "su -" to simulate a root login. You can add a user to the wheel group by editing /etc/group. -- Konstantinos Konstantinidis jimsdesk : 11:40:00 /home/jim> kldstat | tee before Id Refs Address Size Name 1 29 0xffffffff80200000 1f1e930 kernel 2 1 0xffffffff82221000 1fddd4 zfs.ko 3 1 0xffffffff8241f000 9a7c opensolaris.ko 4 1 0xffffffff82429000 36a0 ums.ko 5 2 0xffffffff8242d000 23247 ipfw.ko 6 1 0xffffffff82451000 5221 ipdivert.ko 7 1 0xffffffff82457000 422d3 linux.ko 8 2 0xffffffff8249a000 7685 linux_common.ko 9 1 0xffffffff824a2000 3cc94 linux64.ko jimsdesk : 11:40:06 /home/jim> X X.Org X Server 1.18.4 Release Date: 2016-07-19 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: FreeBSD 11.0-RELEASE-p8 amd64 Current Operating System: FreeBSD jimsdesk 11.0-STABLE FreeBSD 11.0-STABLE #0 r315874: Thu Mar 23 16:29:00 PDT 2017 root@jimsdesk:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 Build Date: 16 March 2017 02:08:05AM Current version of pixman: 0.34.0 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Fri Mar 24 11:40:10 2017 (==) Using default built-in configuration (39 lines) (II) [KMS] Kernel modesetting enabled. scfb trace: probe start scfb trace: probe done (EE) (EE) Backtrace: (EE) 0: /usr/local/bin/X (OsInit+0x38a) [0x5abfba] (EE) 1: /lib/libthr.so.3 (_pthread_sigmask+0x502) [0x802dacbb2] (EE) 2: /lib/libthr.so.3 (_pthread_getspecific+0xeaf) [0x802dacb5f] (EE) 3: ? (?+0xeaf) [0x7ffffffffeb2] (EE) 4: /usr/local/llvm39/lib/libLLVM-3.9.so (_ZN4llvm13StringMapImpl15LookupBucketForENS_9StringRefE+0xc9) [0x8096c0319] (EE) 5: /usr/local/llvm39/lib/libLLVM-3.9.so (LLVMParseCommandLineOptions+0x7cf) [0x80968497f] (EE) 6: /usr/local/llvm39/lib/libLLVM-3.9.so (LLVMParseCommandLineOptions+0x92c) [0x809684c1c] (EE) 7: /usr/local/llvm39/lib/libLLVM-3.9.so (_ZN4llvm2cl6Option11addArgumentEv+0x7c) [0x809678dec] (EE) 8: /usr/local/llvm35/lib/libLLVM-3.5.so (_ZN4llvm32createPPCTargetTransformInfoPassEPKNS_16PPCTargetMachineE+0xb92) [0x80e664752] (EE) 9: /usr/local/llvm35/lib/libLLVM-3.5.so (LLVMInitializeARMTargetInfo+0x112) [0x80e66a094] (EE) 10: /usr/local/llvm35/lib/libLLVM-3.5.so (_init+0xe) [0x80d7e25e4] (EE) 11: ? (_rtld_is_dlopened+0x14f7) [0x800819f77] (EE) 12: ? (dlopen+0x18d) [0x800815e9d] (EE) 13: /usr/local/lib/libgbm.so.1 (gbm_surface_has_free_buffers+0xf1d) [0x807bf55dd] (EE) 14: /usr/local/lib/libgbm.so.1 (gbm_surface_has_free_buffers+0xbfb) [0x807bf506b] (EE) 15: /usr/local/lib/libgbm.so.1 (gbm_surface_has_free_buffers+0x11a) [0x807bf39ca] (EE) 16: /usr/local/lib/libgbm.so.1 (gbm_create_device+0x39) [0x807bf3629] (EE) 17: /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/libglamoregl.so (glamor_egl_init+0x82) [0x8079c7542] (EE) 18: /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so (_init+0x53252) [0x806dab682] (EE) 19: /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so (_init+0x45bd5) [0x806d90395] (EE) 20: /usr/local/bin/X (InitOutput+0xa7f) [0x47f35f] (EE) 21: /usr/local/bin/X (remove_fs_handlers+0x38b) [0x43b48b] (EE) 22: /usr/local/bin/X (_start+0x17f) [0x42506f] (EE) 23: ? (?+0x17f) [0x80083917f] (EE) (EE) Segmentation fault at address 0x0 (EE) Fatal server error: (EE) Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting (EE) (EE) Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support at http://wiki.x.org for help. (EE) Please also check the log file at "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" for additional information. (EE) (EE) Server terminated with error (1). Closing log file. Abort trap jimsdesk : 11:40:13 /home/jim> kldstat | tee after Id Refs Address Size Name 1 62 0xffffffff80200000 1f1e930 kernel 2 1 0xffffffff82221000 1fddd4 zfs.ko 3 1 0xffffffff8241f000 9a7c opensolaris.ko 4 1 0xffffffff82429000 36a0 ums.ko 5 2 0xffffffff8242d000 23247 ipfw.ko 6 1 0xffffffff82451000 5221 ipdivert.ko 7 1 0xffffffff82457000 422d3 linux.ko 8 2 0xffffffff8249a000 7685 linux_common.ko 9 1 0xffffffff824a2000 3cc94 linux64.ko 10 1 0xffffffff824df000 122b18 radeonkms.ko 11 1 0xffffffff82602000 543fe drm2.ko 12 4 0xffffffff82657000 2725 iicbus.ko 13 1 0xffffffff8265a000 1c61 iic.ko 14 1 0xffffffff8265c000 1e6c iicbb.ko 15 1 0xffffffff8265e000 18c2 radeonkmsfw_CAICOS_pfp.ko 16 1 0xffffffff82660000 1cbb radeonkmsfw_CAICOS_me.ko 17 1 0xffffffff82662000 133a radeonkmsfw_BTC_rlc.ko 18 1 0xffffffff82664000 655c radeonkmsfw_CAICOS_mc.ko jimsdesk : 11:40:33 /home/jim> diff before after 2c2 < 1 29 0xffffffff80200000 1f1e930 kernel --- > 1 62 0xffffffff80200000 1f1e930 kernel 10a11,19 > 10 1 0xffffffff824df000 122b18 radeonkms.ko > 11 1 0xffffffff82602000 543fe drm2.ko > 12 4 0xffffffff82657000 2725 iicbus.ko > 13 1 0xffffffff8265a000 1c61 iic.ko > 14 1 0xffffffff8265c000 1e6c iicbb.ko > 15 1 0xffffffff8265e000 18c2 radeonkmsfw_CAICOS_pfp.ko > 16 1 0xffffffff82660000 1cbb radeonkmsfw_CAICOS_me.ko > 17 1 0xffffffff82662000 133a radeonkmsfw_BTC_rlc.ko > 18 1 0xffffffff82664000 655c radeonkmsfw_CAICOS_mc.ko From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 24 21:33:12 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F53CD184CB for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:33:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jessica.lacy@web-organic-traffic.com) Received: from lw1.arch.zyns.com (lw1.arch.zyns.com [81.171.29.156]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0254ECC8 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:33:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jessica.lacy@web-organic-traffic.com) Received: from WL21 (unknown [117.96.243.235]) by lw1.arch.zyns.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 898F247520 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:33:02 +0000 (UTC) From: "Jessica Lacy" To: Subject: Pay only when you get results... 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 25 10:13:49 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 073F3D1BDC4 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 10:13:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.home.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org", Issuer "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD83DC49 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 10:13:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.home.qeng-ho.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v2PADaxO069879; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 10:13:37 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Subject: Re: Xorg crashes on startup with "Segmentation fault at address 0x0" To: list@museum.rain.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20170324192024.GA80423@ns.umpquanet.com> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 10:13:36 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170324192024.GA80423@ns.umpquanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 10:13:49 -0000 On 24/03/2017 19:20, list@museum.rain.com wrote: > I'm running FreeBSD 11-STABLE on a Dell 7010 with an AMD Radeon graphics > card. > > I recently did a 'pkg upgrade' of kde4, xorg, and dependendents: > > pkg upgrade -fR .... > > I can no longer start an X server, due to a segmentation fault error on > X startup. The Xorg.0.log is below. At this point I am simply trying > to start the X server by running /usr/local/bin/X. I am not yet to the > point of trying to use startx/startkde to bring up the KDE environment. > > I'd like to find out why X is crashing. I am not using an xorg.conf file. > > hald and dbus are running: > > > jimsdesk : 12:09:32 /home/jim> sockstat | egrep 'hal|dbus' > root hald-addon 1085 3 stream -> /var/run/hald/dbus-WzON4ronXi > root hald-addon 1085 4 stream -> /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket > root hald-addon 1070 3 stream -> /var/run/hald/dbus-WzON4ronXi > root hald-runne 1052 3 stream -> /var/run/hald/dbus-HgZp7GfEaE > haldaemon hald 1051 9 stream /var/run/hald/dbus-WzON4ronXi > haldaemon hald 1051 10 stream -> /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket > haldaemon hald 1051 11 stream /var/run/hald/dbus-HgZp7GfEaE > haldaemon hald 1051 14 stream /var/run/hald/dbus-HgZp7GfEaE > haldaemon hald 1051 47 stream -> /var/run/devd.pipe > haldaemon hald 1051 48 stream /var/run/hald/dbus-WzON4ronXi > haldaemon hald 1051 49 stream /var/run/hald/dbus-WzON4ronXi > polkitd polkitd 914 9 stream -> /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket > root console-ki 912 7 stream -> /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket > root console-ki 912 9 stream -> /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket > messagebus dbus-daemo680 3 stream /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket > messagebus dbus-daemo680 8 stream -> ?? > messagebus dbus-daemo680 9 stream -> ?? > messagebus dbus-daemo680 10 stream /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket > messagebus dbus-daemo680 11 dgram -> /var/run/log > messagebus dbus-daemo680 12 stream /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket > messagebus dbus-daemo680 13 stream /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket > messagebus dbus-daemo680 14 stream /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket > messagebus dbus-daemo680 15 stream /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket > > > The pciconf output showing my graphics card is also below. > > Where can i find the "end of the string" to start untangling this problem? > Please let me know if I can provide additional diagnostics. > > I am subscribed to the digest version, so if you will kindly Cc: me > directly on your reply, I will receive it sooner. > > Thank you! > > Jim > > > > Script started on Fri Mar 24 11:40:00 2017 > Command: bash -l > Any user that is a member of the wheel group can use "su -" to simulate > a root login. You can add a user to the wheel group by editing /etc/group. > -- Konstantinos Konstantinidis > jimsdesk : 11:40:00 /home/jim> kldstat | tee before > Id Refs Address Size Name > 1 29 0xffffffff80200000 1f1e930 kernel > 2 1 0xffffffff82221000 1fddd4 zfs.ko > 3 1 0xffffffff8241f000 9a7c opensolaris.ko > 4 1 0xffffffff82429000 36a0 ums.ko > 5 2 0xffffffff8242d000 23247 ipfw.ko > 6 1 0xffffffff82451000 5221 ipdivert.ko > 7 1 0xffffffff82457000 422d3 linux.ko > 8 2 0xffffffff8249a000 7685 linux_common.ko > 9 1 0xffffffff824a2000 3cc94 linux64.ko > jimsdesk : 11:40:06 /home/jim> X > > X.Org X Server 1.18.4 > Release Date: 2016-07-19 > X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 > Build Operating System: FreeBSD 11.0-RELEASE-p8 amd64 > Current Operating System: FreeBSD jimsdesk 11.0-STABLE FreeBSD 11.0-STABLE #0 r315874: Thu Mar 23 16:29:00 PDT 2017 root@jimsdesk:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > Build Date: 16 March 2017 02:08:05AM > > Current version of pixman: 0.34.0 > Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org > to make sure that you have the latest version. > Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, > (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, > (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. > (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Fri Mar 24 11:40:10 2017 > (==) Using default built-in configuration (39 lines) > (II) [KMS] Kernel modesetting enabled. > scfb trace: probe start > scfb trace: probe done > (EE) > (EE) Backtrace: > (EE) 0: /usr/local/bin/X (OsInit+0x38a) [0x5abfba] > (EE) 1: /lib/libthr.so.3 (_pthread_sigmask+0x502) [0x802dacbb2] > (EE) 2: /lib/libthr.so.3 (_pthread_getspecific+0xeaf) [0x802dacb5f] > (EE) 3: ? (?+0xeaf) [0x7ffffffffeb2] > (EE) 4: /usr/local/llvm39/lib/libLLVM-3.9.so (_ZN4llvm13StringMapImpl15LookupBucketForENS_9StringRefE+0xc9) [0x8096c0319] > (EE) 5: /usr/local/llvm39/lib/libLLVM-3.9.so (LLVMParseCommandLineOptions+0x7cf) [0x80968497f] > (EE) 6: /usr/local/llvm39/lib/libLLVM-3.9.so (LLVMParseCommandLineOptions+0x92c) [0x809684c1c] > (EE) 7: /usr/local/llvm39/lib/libLLVM-3.9.so (_ZN4llvm2cl6Option11addArgumentEv+0x7c) [0x809678dec] > (EE) 8: /usr/local/llvm35/lib/libLLVM-3.5.so (_ZN4llvm32createPPCTargetTransformInfoPassEPKNS_16PPCTargetMachineE+0xb92) [0x80e664752] > (EE) 9: /usr/local/llvm35/lib/libLLVM-3.5.so (LLVMInitializeARMTargetInfo+0x112) [0x80e66a094] > (EE) 10: /usr/local/llvm35/lib/libLLVM-3.5.so (_init+0xe) [0x80d7e25e4] > (EE) 11: ? (_rtld_is_dlopened+0x14f7) [0x800819f77] > (EE) 12: ? (dlopen+0x18d) [0x800815e9d] > (EE) 13: /usr/local/lib/libgbm.so.1 (gbm_surface_has_free_buffers+0xf1d) [0x807bf55dd] > (EE) 14: /usr/local/lib/libgbm.so.1 (gbm_surface_has_free_buffers+0xbfb) [0x807bf506b] > (EE) 15: /usr/local/lib/libgbm.so.1 (gbm_surface_has_free_buffers+0x11a) [0x807bf39ca] > (EE) 16: /usr/local/lib/libgbm.so.1 (gbm_create_device+0x39) [0x807bf3629] > (EE) 17: /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/libglamoregl.so (glamor_egl_init+0x82) [0x8079c7542] > (EE) 18: /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so (_init+0x53252) [0x806dab682] > (EE) 19: /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so (_init+0x45bd5) [0x806d90395] > (EE) 20: /usr/local/bin/X (InitOutput+0xa7f) [0x47f35f] > (EE) 21: /usr/local/bin/X (remove_fs_handlers+0x38b) [0x43b48b] > (EE) 22: /usr/local/bin/X (_start+0x17f) [0x42506f] > (EE) 23: ? (?+0x17f) [0x80083917f] > (EE) > (EE) Segmentation fault at address 0x0 > (EE) > Fatal server error: > (EE) Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting > (EE) > (EE) > Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support > at http://wiki.x.org > for help. > (EE) Please also check the log file at "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" for additional information. > (EE) > (EE) Server terminated with error (1). Closing log file. > Abort trap > jimsdesk : 11:40:13 /home/jim> kldstat | tee after > Id Refs Address Size Name > 1 62 0xffffffff80200000 1f1e930 kernel > 2 1 0xffffffff82221000 1fddd4 zfs.ko > 3 1 0xffffffff8241f000 9a7c opensolaris.ko > 4 1 0xffffffff82429000 36a0 ums.ko > 5 2 0xffffffff8242d000 23247 ipfw.ko > 6 1 0xffffffff82451000 5221 ipdivert.ko > 7 1 0xffffffff82457000 422d3 linux.ko > 8 2 0xffffffff8249a000 7685 linux_common.ko > 9 1 0xffffffff824a2000 3cc94 linux64.ko > 10 1 0xffffffff824df000 122b18 radeonkms.ko > 11 1 0xffffffff82602000 543fe drm2.ko > 12 4 0xffffffff82657000 2725 iicbus.ko > 13 1 0xffffffff8265a000 1c61 iic.ko > 14 1 0xffffffff8265c000 1e6c iicbb.ko > 15 1 0xffffffff8265e000 18c2 radeonkmsfw_CAICOS_pfp.ko > 16 1 0xffffffff82660000 1cbb radeonkmsfw_CAICOS_me.ko > 17 1 0xffffffff82662000 133a radeonkmsfw_BTC_rlc.ko > 18 1 0xffffffff82664000 655c radeonkmsfw_CAICOS_mc.ko > jimsdesk : 11:40:33 /home/jim> diff before after > 2c2 > < 1 29 0xffffffff80200000 1f1e930 kernel > --- >> 1 62 0xffffffff80200000 1f1e930 kernel > 10a11,19 >> 10 1 0xffffffff824df000 122b18 radeonkms.ko >> 11 1 0xffffffff82602000 543fe drm2.ko >> 12 4 0xffffffff82657000 2725 iicbus.ko >> 13 1 0xffffffff8265a000 1c61 iic.ko >> 14 1 0xffffffff8265c000 1e6c iicbb.ko >> 15 1 0xffffffff8265e000 18c2 radeonkmsfw_CAICOS_pfp.ko >> 16 1 0xffffffff82660000 1cbb radeonkmsfw_CAICOS_me.ko >> 17 1 0xffffffff82662000 133a radeonkmsfw_BTC_rlc.ko >> 18 1 0xffffffff82664000 655c radeonkmsfw_CAICOS_mc.ko > Use "pkg info -x llvm" to see if you have two versions of llvm present. If you do, delete the older one. Because of the way some X drivers are linked you can end up with two llvm runtime systems being used by X and one of them isn't initialised properly and crashes in calls to the pthread library, which seems to be what's happening here. If it's not that, I'm afraid someone else will have to help. -- By June 1949, people had begun to realize that it was not so easy to get a program right as had at one time appeared. It was on one of my journeys between the EDSAC room and the punching equipment that the realization came over me with full force that a good part of the remainder of my life was going to be spent in finding errors in my own programs. -- Maurice Wilkes From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 25 20:23:06 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFFCED1DBA1 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 20:23:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jan.kokemueller@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr0-x231.google.com (mail-wr0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E0E31614 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 20:23:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jan.kokemueller@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr0-x231.google.com with SMTP id w11so415661wrc.3 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 13:23:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=to:references:subject:from:cc:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zNlR7ao1I0xV2o3Vv4ma4mkS4c3jp27hFForPpGngMQ=; b=pefMTYcdwQ4aI3d72uwA1uuYR+NboPvt/5Vycmd4gftJfxWvfPSqc5GFqJYtIx0kye 9eR6tnqMR0lAnshqqmM5zQHW227gbrclCC+/zsbLij/BNeMHcp+ZhKG0XmdoG5hSRrRM c5dSSYJ4HDDH7xU9XrYoS8+AGajgSe7ce2wP67oNVFd2XRHfifWV77EtZXAsbbrt+Wm0 W00dHpHywQIs7jGvpv0BWARvxc+c1lFzELqSggF0uJwaL0HKJ3a89bbtOdkW3T2vzreT azKJjzA9l7EboLxZ7JH1tCVvDHy/8vPbD4KdGXrvJM0n9jq7h1/2EHfG8H+APJfXIWhU WUqQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:to:references:subject:from:cc:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zNlR7ao1I0xV2o3Vv4ma4mkS4c3jp27hFForPpGngMQ=; b=kYyDpj+OVySkM7bajP5SR8uJfZ0KvtD7w3czATOxwjrblaMg2H9Vwm6r0/86lfpxV5 xUQsNFws1oSfkz+Z1rDRKSvHYExSz1eVhXgbqo9GCwjUNqkDFg2Y/QT7J6+IMciUYFAg hEzYGeJ++/RNd1NV7j4zjdzcenxor78M7aVHg9mAqQ0/mxsXc+IGRq2T60pEgYeuzx5N 7qzTytAaaMyIqznJXjhpQ1cuP1c7OxFvHHeT6kHUKLM5/xUdc2bZIEDP6XVx4z1iITri CIxwg+FKDyCjFh8owswcx8zo/7kSJ11GOhYBo48MwnYZ19NGa4u/w1fP/JL/osq4SN/1 UVBw== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H0oS82fjv+K5TXQx1xNpncAlUphK295SWB5NZAlGrAwS3zG2ZFOJIYIgPZ3QuQiIw== X-Received: by 10.223.165.6 with SMTP id i6mr14485747wrb.18.1490473383587; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 13:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:470:1f15:b1f:403f:5260:59c8:981d? ([2001:470:1f15:b1f:403f:5260:59c8:981d]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id l21sm8188863wrl.59.2017.03.25.13.23.02 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 25 Mar 2017 13:23:02 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <36931017-30a5-0911-95aa-ca6e8fca5f1c@uni-dortmund.de> Subject: Re: IM with OMEMO support From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jan_Kokem=c3=bcller?= Cc: christian.baer@uni-dortmund.de Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 21:23:02 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <36931017-30a5-0911-95aa-ca6e8fca5f1c@uni-dortmund.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 20:23:07 -0000 Hi Chris, I'm using Gajim with the OMEMO plugin successfully on FreeBSD. I didn't build the plugin manually, however. I've installed it through the plugin manager of Gajim. Shouldn't that work on other OSs, as well? I think I had to install one more package that was a runtime dependency of the OMEMO plugin. There was a log message about that in the standard output. 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charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 13:53:10 -0700 Subject: External USB floppy drives Message-Id: <81B78129-37AC-49DD-A76C-996F0C8CDADF@yahoo.com> To: questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14D27) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 20:56:37 -0000 Do you know of an external 3.5 inch USB floppy drive compatible with FreeBS= D 10.2 Sent from my iPhone= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 25 22:16:06 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27823D1D129 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 22:16:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F099921 for ; 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Sat, 25 Mar 2017 23:15:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v2PMF1S5002056; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 23:15:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 23:15:00 +0100 From: Polytropon To: john drake Cc: john drake via freebsd-questions , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: External USB floppy drives Message-Id: <20170325231500.edd6b184.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <81B78129-37AC-49DD-A76C-996F0C8CDADF@yahoo.com> References: <81B78129-37AC-49DD-A76C-996F0C8CDADF@yahoo.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay10.qsc.de with D569B683444 X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.1955 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 22:16:06 -0000 On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 13:53:10 -0700, john drake via freebsd-questions wrote: > Do you know of an external 3.5 inch USB floppy drive compatible > with FreeBSD 10.2 I have one labeled IBM, it supports the "da" driver (SCSI direct access). I sadly cannot tell you the exact model, but that is how it appears to the system: ugen2.2: at usbus2 umass1: on usbus2 da3 at umass-sim1 bus 1 scbus4 target 0 lun 0 da3: Removable Direct Access SCSI-0 device da3: 1.000MB/s transfers da3: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present In this case, no floppy was inside the drive, or the size would have been reported properly. With a floppy inserted, mounting is very simple, for example if you wish to read files from a floppy: # mount -o ro -t msdosfs /dev/da3 /mnt You can also use dd to create and obtain images. The only tool you cannot use is fdcontrol (because it only works with the "fd" driver). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...