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Sun, 14 May 2017 02:27:51 +0200 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-93-38.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.93.38]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EBD143CC3F; Sun, 14 May 2017 02:27:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v4E0RoDl006447; Sun, 14 May 2017 02:27:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 02:27:50 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Manish Jain Cc: Chris Hill , FreeBSD Questions List Subject: Re: Printer advice Message-Id: <20170514022750.c38d192f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay10.qsc.de with 3BC53683457 X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.1250 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 00:28:30 -0000 On Sat, 13 May 2017 23:49:07 +0000, Manish Jain wrote: > Any recent HP printer should work well under FreeBSD. The printer > can be made to work with CUPS, and/or local printing and scanning > with hplip / sane-backends. To install everything in one go : pkg > install cups hplip sane-backends In case the printer understands PS, you usually don't need the device-specific drivers or filters. You don't even need CUPS. :-) But if you use CUPS, HP printers are quite well supported. Check at http://hplipopensource.com/ and verify the _exact_ model. It doesn't hurt if there is a PPD available. > Some printers which do not work with CUPS can be made to work > by deleting the CUPS queue and directly running the printer > under hplip. To setup hplip, use 'hp-setup'. In worst case, you can use a filter like e. g. foo2zjs and pipe its output directly into the printer device. You can automate this using the system's printing facility (lpr and printcap). But as I said, with HP printers this usually is not needed. > 2) 'scanimage -L' should list your scanner nicely, at least as root. HP printers' scanners are often well supported. You need to install and configure SANE, and then you can access the scanner via xscanimage, xsane, Gimp, LibreOffice, ... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 14 05:49:04 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E589D6C4C1 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 05:49:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomdean@speakeasy.org) Received: from mail84c25.carrierzone.com (pmail98c25.carrierzone.com [64.29.147.168]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D10D87F0 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 05:49:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomdean@speakeasy.org) X-Authenticated-User: tomdean.speakeasy.net Received: from [192.168.1.175] (24-113-100-60.wavecable.com [24.113.100.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail84c25.carrierzone.com (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id v4E5msAG028017 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 05:48:55 +0000 Subject: Re: Printer advice To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: "Thomas D. Dean" Message-ID: <63850d0d-673c-f5f8-69b1-71376fdbdccc@speakeasy.org> Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 22:48:53 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.2 cv=MNUQoIRl c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=QLVEBHxtHloZH0fLpu6Vtw==:117 a=QLVEBHxtHloZH0fLpu6Vtw==:17 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=uV-rWdsA5pvx-kJOqFcA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020205.5917EFC8.0034, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 05:49:04 -0000 On 05/13/2017 03:18 PM, Chris Hill wrote: > Hi list, > > I wonder if anyone can offer advice on a new printer. My old HP 4550N > has finally given up the ghost after more than 16 years of semi-faithful > service. > > I'm looking for a color laser printer with ethernet interface and > Postscript comprehension. I'm currently looking at the HP M553n and the > Xerox Phaser 6515DN, but if you have other suggestions, ideas, > caveats... I'd love to hear them. Thanks. > HP_Officejet_Pro_8620 ??? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 14 08:06:04 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8261FD6C47A for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 08:06:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com", Issuer "dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 58AF0A99 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 08:06:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from [74.134.208.22] ([74.134.208.22:61760] helo=localhost) by dnvrco-omsmta03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTP id E0/B4-25473-5EF08195; Sun, 14 May 2017 08:05:57 +0000 Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 08:05:50 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Printer advice References: X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.64.88:25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 08:06:04 -0000 from Chris Hill: > I wonder if anyone can offer advice on a new printer. My old HP 4550N has > finally given up the ghost after more than 16 years of semi-faithful service. > I'm looking for a color laser printer with ethernet interface and Postscript > comprehension. I'm currently looking at the HP M553n and the Xerox Phaser > 6515DN, but if you have other suggestions, ideas, caveats... I'd love to hear > them. Thanks. My luck with HP has been bad, enough to dissuade me from buying any more HP products. I have HP LaserJet Professional M1212nf MFP, and the first several attempts were fruitless, in both NetBSD and FreeBSD. I finally got it to print in NetBSD through cups with a special PPD file, think FreeBSD might also work with the same PPD file. Only Ethernet worked, USB didn't. I am rebuilding FreeBSD installations after getting nonbootable results updating NetBSD (version 7.99.71 of current branch). Then I intend to rebuild many packages including cups and hplip. I never got scanning or fax from computer to work. One adverse factor is the need for a proprietary binary plugin. I was on Xerox website and more favorably impressed, but didn't buy the printer because I already have that HP multifunction printer. 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Sun, 14 May 2017 11:04:20 +0200 (CEST) From: To: Subject: Cannot communicate with FreeBSD endpoint on OpenVPN TAP VPN Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 11:04:19 +0200 Message-ID: <000001d2cc91$12ab0dd0$38012970$@studenti.polito.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AdLMkMC0NZUu3NkrS7murmHZ/aOFvQ== Content-Language: it Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 09:09:46 -0000 Hello, I'm trying to set up a "road warrior" VPN for my company. We have a pfSense firewall (FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p19) which we use for all our VPN stuff. The device is configured like so: - 10.40.2.1/16 on the LAN interface - IPsec tunnel VPN with remote network 192.168.40.100/24, with NAT 1:1 from 172.16.0.0/16 to 10.40.0.0/16 (this is with a SaaS company that won't change their setup unless strictly necessary) - The OpenVPN configuration file at the end of this email - Bridge between the LAN interface and the OpenVPN (ovpns1) interface The issue is that everything can be reached from the "road warrior" clients normally, except for the firewall (10.40.2.1) and hosts over the IPsec VPN (which is the entire reason I'm using TAP instead of TUN: I need to keep the road warrior clients in the same network that can access the IPsec VPN). The weird thing is that the firewall can be pinged and answers (but I suspect that's an OpenVPN thing, it's likely not FreeBSD responding), but I cannot reach its web configuration interface or connect with SSH. Please note that this is not a binding issue nor a firewall issue, the web interface binds on 0:443 and the firewall is temporarily set to allow everything to pass. Right now I have a second "road warrior" VPN access, using IPsec, which works with the web interface but still doesn't work with the other IPsec VPN. I would like to use OpenVPN because IPsec looks pretty hackish to me, especially how it is implemented on pfSense/FreeBSD. Best regards, Riccardo Paolo Bestetti --- OpenVPN configuration file: dev ovpns1 verb 1 dev-type tap dev-node /dev/tap1 writepid /var/run/openvpn_server1.pid #user nobody #group nobody script-security 3 daemon keepalive 10 60 ping-timer-rem persist-tun persist-key proto udp cipher AES-256-CBC auth SHA1 up /usr/local/sbin/ovpn-linkup down /usr/local/sbin/ovpn-linkdown client-connect /usr/local/sbin/openvpn.attributes.sh client-disconnect /usr/local/sbin/openvpn.attributes.sh local [hidden IP address] engine cryptodev tls-server mode server client-cert-not-required username-as-common-name auth-user-pass-verify "/usr/local/sbin/ovpn_auth_verify [hidden script parameters]" via-env tls-verify "/usr/local/sbin/ovpn_auth_verify tls 'server' 1" lport 1194 management /var/etc/openvpn/server1.sock unix max-clients 8 push "register-dns" client-to-client ca /var/etc/openvpn/server1.ca cert /var/etc/openvpn/server1.cert key /var/etc/openvpn/server1.key dh /etc/dh-parameters.4096 tls-auth /var/etc/openvpn/server1.tls-auth 0 push "route-gateway 10.40.2.1" push "route 10.40.0.0 255.255.0.0" push "route 192.168.40.112 255.255.255.255" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 14 12:48:08 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1885FD6C652 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 12:48:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ultima1252@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-x235.google.com (mail-yw0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDDCA1C28 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 12:48:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ultima1252@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw0-x235.google.com with SMTP id 203so27256611ywe.0 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 05:48:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=CBCO3EsqDjosI+n6TkBDmO7YczdeeWHWaqwhgIEqQkI=; b=ryjrPkoJtXSGg0g8anVK2nwL2hHvciB5gnFMBHs9XOw1aga5ASTsUKyZUKw3PtPUKB aR7qqEKXbn39w3O7O6n5k99EPLy2jhc9mb2amo9fhwFN3VrG1K2v/9ojzZjs9N9OySOc 14ztfBl1H0iJO71fhRqDkmxoQd/Y4XMB2UMwzvOwpRl+SM4JlpO/8hVKhsradVf9PbjK kBkzZkku1JMMTdWThGpWtpJYmcxfcmGi/fcNQyKwSy98gSUkVf84MX/V7yMaKse/JNoH lWsVSDxQLnlD3pXRpyUDFlH8+1c4LnwhW6viohu/pXUNSlBwOj9Fkkm7mzfQt7FNukgk WGbw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=CBCO3EsqDjosI+n6TkBDmO7YczdeeWHWaqwhgIEqQkI=; b=byOJQZtZno6caDFx1i8LQZ+Yf28P2pdcqzAqv117nEja9sijYbOcqUHo8tzp+NrLUq oSBfqn6SFaswrgHHLoTP2jsob8V1/0f2q71gS5bpZayYKiPIUuORwn9YsUFHFx6EcPg8 dNOF+9wyPjyrXb8AHDkfQbelkFyhCvjGlrqQtIEb4+3+u0F0qKEDP9s49Yl3K26KJLIh H29JaZD77CXcV51aizzRYnC7jIlHDoC5XIXjMO9a+8Np4covF48qZLcmiSwpFMdbe9cW amzTMy+x4d2FnHkUtPcL33iNiRIwtNmsPyTNsmsF8r/c6d1mLSVf0yiCI9qh+TCWPdvS nO3g== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcDyPE9dS5YLT/gmnA0Ohcj5qz4SHED2PMzu4jo7ZMDnncUeerUl HqTkigyaJuYod5D++0ncrvDl43VvsA== X-Received: by 10.129.161.210 with SMTP id y201mr930042ywg.116.1494766086671; Sun, 14 May 2017 05:48:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.129.72.75 with HTTP; Sun, 14 May 2017 05:48:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <000001d2cc91$12ab0dd0$38012970$@studenti.polito.it> References: <000001d2cc91$12ab0dd0$38012970$@studenti.polito.it> From: Ultima Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 08:48:06 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cannot communicate with FreeBSD endpoint on OpenVPN TAP VPN To: riccardopaolo.bestetti@studenti.polito.it Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 12:48:08 -0000 > - IPsec tunnel VPN with remote network 192.168.40.100/24, with NAT 1:1 from > 172.16.0.0/16 to 10.40.0.0/16 (this is with a SaaS company that won't change > their setup unless strictly necessary) > push "route 192.168.40.112 255.255.255.255" This is a /32 subnet, it should be /24. On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:04 AM, wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to set up a "road warrior" VPN for my company. > > We have a pfSense firewall (FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p19) which we use for all > our VPN stuff. > > > > The device is configured like so: > > - 10.40.2.1/16 on the LAN interface > > - IPsec tunnel VPN with remote network 192.168.40.100/24, with NAT 1:1 > from > 172.16.0.0/16 to 10.40.0.0/16 (this is with a SaaS company that won't > change > their setup unless strictly necessary) > > - The OpenVPN configuration file at the end of this email > > - Bridge between the LAN interface and the OpenVPN (ovpns1) interface > > > > The issue is that everything can be reached from the "road warrior" clients > normally, except for the firewall (10.40.2.1) and hosts over the IPsec VPN > (which is the entire reason I'm using TAP instead of TUN: I need to keep > the > road warrior clients in the same network that can access the IPsec VPN). > > The weird thing is that the firewall can be pinged and answers (but I > suspect that's an OpenVPN thing, it's likely not FreeBSD responding), but I > cannot reach its web configuration interface or connect with SSH. Please > note that this is not a binding issue nor a firewall issue, the web > interface binds on 0:443 and the firewall is temporarily set to allow > everything to pass. > > Right now I have a second "road warrior" VPN access, using IPsec, which > works with the web interface but still doesn't work with the other IPsec > VPN. I would like to use OpenVPN because IPsec looks pretty hackish to me, > especially how it is implemented on pfSense/FreeBSD. > > > > Best regards, > > Riccardo Paolo Bestetti > > > > --- > > > > OpenVPN configuration file: > > dev ovpns1 > > verb 1 > > dev-type tap > > dev-node /dev/tap1 > > writepid /var/run/openvpn_server1.pid > > #user nobody > > #group nobody > > script-security 3 > > daemon > > keepalive 10 60 > > ping-timer-rem > > persist-tun > > persist-key > > proto udp > > cipher AES-256-CBC > > auth SHA1 > > up /usr/local/sbin/ovpn-linkup > > down /usr/local/sbin/ovpn-linkdown > > client-connect /usr/local/sbin/openvpn.attributes.sh > > client-disconnect /usr/local/sbin/openvpn.attributes.sh > > local [hidden IP address] > > engine cryptodev > > tls-server > > mode server > > client-cert-not-required > > username-as-common-name > > auth-user-pass-verify "/usr/local/sbin/ovpn_auth_verify [hidden script > parameters]" via-env tls-verify "/usr/local/sbin/ovpn_auth_verify tls > 'server' 1" > > lport 1194 > > management /var/etc/openvpn/server1.sock unix max-clients 8 push > "register-dns" > > client-to-client > > ca /var/etc/openvpn/server1.ca > > cert /var/etc/openvpn/server1.cert > > key /var/etc/openvpn/server1.key > > dh /etc/dh-parameters.4096 > > tls-auth /var/etc/openvpn/server1.tls-auth 0 push "route-gateway > 10.40.2.1" > > push "route 10.40.0.0 255.255.0.0" > > push "route 192.168.40.112 255.255.255.255" > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 14 14:42:10 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D3AFD6C074 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 14:42:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay14.qsc.de (mailrelay14.qsc.de [212.99.163.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4F8BB3B for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 14:42:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay14.qsc.de; Sun, 14 May 2017 16:41:13 +0200 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-93-38.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.93.38]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B00B63CC3F; Sun, 14 May 2017 16:41:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v4EEfBRc002011; Sun, 14 May 2017 16:41:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 16:41:11 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Thomas D. Dean" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Printer advice Message-Id: <20170514164111.40e0e4db.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <63850d0d-673c-f5f8-69b1-71376fdbdccc@speakeasy.org> References: <63850d0d-673c-f5f8-69b1-71376fdbdccc@speakeasy.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay14.qsc.de with 31580683439 X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.1182 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 14:42:10 -0000 On Sat, 13 May 2017 22:48:53 -0700, Thomas D. Dean wrote: > On 05/13/2017 03:18 PM, Chris Hill wrote: > > Hi list, > > > > I wonder if anyone can offer advice on a new printer. My old HP 4550N > > has finally given up the ghost after more than 16 years of semi-faithful > > service. > > > > I'm looking for a color laser printer with ethernet interface and > > Postscript comprehension. I'm currently looking at the HP M553n and the > > Xerox Phaser 6515DN, but if you have other suggestions, ideas, > > caveats... I'd love to hear them. Thanks. > > > HP_Officejet_Pro_8620 ??? I can definitely confirm the HP Officejet 8950 to be working (CUPS 1.5.4, FreeBSD 10.3) in all essential parts, but that one is an inkpee printer! -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 14 15:19:19 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55EF4D6CA42 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 15:19:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay12.qsc.de (mailrelay12.qsc.de [212.99.163.153]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C46D21CD3 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 15:19:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay12.qsc.de; Sun, 14 May 2017 17:19:09 +0200 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-93-38.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.93.38]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D8C33CBF9; Sun, 14 May 2017 17:19:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v4EFJ71v002103; Sun, 14 May 2017 17:19:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 17:19:07 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Thomas Mueller" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Printer advice Message-Id: <20170514171907.180a99c2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay12.qsc.de with 8B3FE6A40B4 X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.1318 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 15:19:19 -0000 On Sun, 14 May 2017 08:05:50 +0000, Thomas Mueller wrote: > My luck with HP has been bad, enough to dissuade me from buying > any more HP products. I always suggest to check http://hplipopensource.com/ _before_ actually buying something. > I have HP LaserJet Professional M1212nf MFP, and the first > several attempts were fruitless, in both NetBSD and FreeBSD. Did you use the (most current) CUPS and hplip software? http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/laserjet/hp_laserjet_professional_m1212nf_mfp.html The following addition is provided: This printer REQUIRES a downloadable driver plug-in, which is required to enable print, fax or scan support. Use hp-setup to install the printer, and to download and install the plug-in. Driver plug-ins are released under a proprietary (non-open) license and are not part of the HPLIP tarball release. Did you pay attention to this nonstandard part? > I finally got it to print in NetBSD through cups with a special > PPD file, think FreeBSD might also work with the same PPD file. Yes, the first P in PPD means "portable". :-) > Only Ethernet worked, USB didn't. I never had any problems with HP networking, but of course I'm just considering ye olden HP Laserjet office (!) printers (which do only print, nothing else). ;-) > I am rebuilding FreeBSD installations after getting nonbootable > results updating NetBSD (version 7.99.71 of current branch). It's worth a try. If you have a PPD, it will provide good help. > I never got scanning or fax from computer to work. Scanning is not a problem once you have installed hplip and SANE. Fax... who uses fax anymore? ;-) > One adverse factor is the need for a proprietary binary plugin. Definitely. > I was on Xerox website and more favorably impressed, but didn't > buy the printer because I already have that HP multifunction > printer. It's always worth checking device compatibility first. The less obstacles are mentioned ("needs firmware upload" etc.), the less trouble you will have. I know it's not easy today to find a printer which will reliably work, but if you do some research beforehand, you can actually get a good printer. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 14 16:44:41 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D760D6CF1F for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 16:44:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trust_no_1@libero.it) Received: from libero.it (smtp-16-i2.italiaonline.it [212.48.25.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D89C31F2F for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 16:44:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trust_no_1@libero.it) Received: from dukefleed.2mh.it ([87.5.94.172]) by smtp-16.iol.local with SMTP id 9waadaQOq1um69waadsJS3; Sun, 14 May 2017 18:41:57 +0200 x-libjamoibt: 1601 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=libero.it; s=s2014; t=1494780117; bh=OlrUyvOT4hDdivsGfcgzp22VQj2RiRbHr2O+3MYXSmc=; h=Date:From:To:Subject; b=Xj7UyhCQrUEJCj9AH9UYJ+JEMKzQOSdB8FGD87Qh+LQnuEyivl68C7lzhQZRuhK+p WZZp2PC0gtWBrw4bnm7pFo+G1JNrvn+ZreDMmakVWnT3gDwgvw+KWVs5PXi3yeDHi2 C3bJ82EfDEqhkyEtj0EcTH+en245Fkt0a+IX7ZAiwm/GU+RUEpAQROo0R3pmN6NW5D 4Wpy0RCbBSqQCBJR6jG5Igr0RZN04tpkq4+JzwP6b6sSrmvAj7agdQTpWAclpbYItk LQ+dOwnz8ezpNltQvwf7l1oe0UXNtI3L73Meg0uUKnrsV4C8drKConFrtkOW+T8zn4 jJ+X6c6M5uSBw== X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=F9InTupN c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=bzJyy+1J+wbFRdMvGLtJxA==:117 a=bzJyy+1J+wbFRdMvGLtJxA==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=CitgVnccBd-28Pw4figA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 18:41:48 +0200 From: Trust No 1 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Your opinion about HP z800 ws Message-ID: <20170514184138.67a8a221@dukefleed.2mh.it> Organization: - X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfCkc0tGjxIYvcFLI9paZvQwsneN/dKpA6TZlO+TuKrlAGsJQcuKJYw+WbyFenbTVkpoXrxg/BPVEV52K79aQa+bIHTNhdIMYnoS4YHJ0VrKuV27E4Lzn 4NxRB09V6VVwARUpD0C/UcBYtSW8zUxkUdCxBVDAr906SygWokp4Xb8prjjIyYDOiedlU6jlcLhRRg== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 16:44:41 -0000 Hello everybody. I would like to buy a used HP z800 workstation to build a new upcoming 11.1 system and replace my Dell T7400 (running 10.3). At present, I use my system for "normal things" like browsing the internet, sending mail and in general to experiment with FreeBSD and in particular with jails. And, VERY important for me, is the possibility to have a raid-5 system because I will use it also as a repository for all the photos of my family. But, before to buy it, I would like to know your opinions on that system... is there anyone of you that is using it with satisfaction? Thank you. Kind regards. Mauro. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 14 16:58:37 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F053D6C301 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 16:58:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomdean@speakeasy.org) Received: from mail84c25.carrierzone.com (pmail98c25.carrierzone.com [64.29.147.168]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0642F3E2 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 16:58:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomdean@speakeasy.org) X-Authenticated-User: tomdean.speakeasy.net Received: from [192.168.1.175] (24-113-100-60.wavecable.com [24.113.100.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail84c25.carrierzone.com (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id v4EGwWT3024013 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 16:58:33 +0000 Subject: Re: Printer advice To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: "Thomas D. Dean" Message-ID: <43e9f9c6-b392-2c46-f692-2e25f3c8a3cd@speakeasy.org> Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 09:58:31 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.2 cv=MNUQoIRl c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=QLVEBHxtHloZH0fLpu6Vtw==:117 a=QLVEBHxtHloZH0fLpu6Vtw==:17 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=UNWf5WQ7AAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=DJ1wpzrfjZHg2QmtTGUA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=TmY6P1tBX-PGzTCW-pm6:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.59188CBA.0044, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 16:58:37 -0000 On 05/14/2017 01:34 AM, Manish Jain wrote: > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote: > My luck with HP has been bad, enough to dissuade me from buying any more HP products. I have HP LaserJet Professional M1212nf MFP, and the first several attempts were fruitless, in both NetBSD and FreeBSD. I finally got it to print in NetBSD through cups with a special PPD file, think FreeBSD might also work with the same PPD file. Only Ethernet worked, USB didn't. I am rebuilding FreeBSD installations after getting nonbootable results updating NetBSD (version 7.99.71 of current branch). Then I intend to rebuild many packages including cups and hplip. I never got scanning or fax from computer to work. One adverse factor is the need for a proprietary binary plugin. I was on Xerox website and more favorably impressed, but didn't buy the printer because I already have that HP multifunction printer. > > > Have you tried using the printer with hplip ? hplip gives you every single HP function available and usually works very well. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Experience varies. I have never had an HP failure and, with the proper setup, alyways seem to produce good copy. Tom Dean From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 14 17:28:50 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD7CD6CDD5 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 17:28:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0354D13F0 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 17:28:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id F05F5CB8CCD; Sun, 14 May 2017 12:06:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Sun, 14 May 2017 12:06:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37357.128.135.52.6.1494781597.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 12:06:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Printer advice From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Manish Jain" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 17:28:50 -0000 On Sun, May 14, 2017 3:34 am, Manish Jain wrote: > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote: > My luck with HP has been bad, enough to dissuade me from buying any more HP products. Just for balance: we love HP printers, we use HP printers forever. We allow clients print through print server only (configuring printers to accept jobs only from print server). HP printers always have been easy to install. On client if some stupid laptop has no HP drivers (to save space), just use generic postscript driver. I only can speak for laser HP printers. They are extremely reliable. I just retired printer that worked for the department for over 15 years, heavily used, and is still working. Never broke of failed. And HP still makes supplies for this "obsolete" printer. Which brings me to the I decided to never ever buy any Xerox product (even though I still would sign under their old motto: "we taught the world how to copy"). Some 7 or 8 years ago Xerox made a decision to eradicate "compatible" supplies. They did it this way: every 3 Months or so they were releasing "new" printer model, essentially the same previous one, only toners for that were incompatible with "older" models. This made manufacturing "compatible" after market supplies economically unprofitable, as there was only small number of each Xerox printer model. I wouldn't care as I'm used to buy slightly more expensive supplies made by printer manufacturer. But: 6 years after some Xerox printer model was sold (Phaser 6200 was our case), Xerox stopped making toners, and parts with finite life, after a life of such a part ends printer will refuse to work. As a result I had to throw away decently young perfectly working Xerox printers. So: no Xerox anything will ever be purchased or rented whenever I have enough leverage to affect the decision. > I have HP LaserJet Professional M1212nf MFP, and the first > several attempts were fruitless, in both NetBSD and FreeBSD. I finally got it to print in NetBSD through cups with a special PPD file, think FreeBSD might also work with the same PPD file. CUPS installed on any system will work with the same PPD file which brings specific description of that particular printer, as PostScript Printer Description (PPD) is written in postscript which effectively is programming language which both CUPS and printer firmware (system that is run on postscript printer) implement. You can get PPD for you printer wherever you find it, and use in CUPS on your system. PPD can be found on CD that comes with printer, it can be taken from successful installation of printer on different system (e.g. macintosh, Linux...), it comes as a part of "driver" package one can download from printer manufacturer website, you can try linuxprinting.org webiste: https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/openprinting/start Good luck! Valeri > Only Ethernet worked, USB didn't. > I am rebuilding FreeBSD installations after getting nonbootable results updating NetBSD (version 7.99.71 of current branch). Then I intend to rebuild many packages including cups and hplip. I never got scanning or fax from computer to work. One adverse factor is the need for a > proprietary binary plugin. I was on Xerox website and more favorably impressed, but didn't buy the printer because I already have that HP multifunction printer. > > > Have you tried using the printer with hplip ? hplip gives you every single HP function available and usually works very well. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 14 19:19:41 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C79D6D2E8 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 19:19:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@yandex.com) Received: from forward5m.cmail.yandex.net (forward5m.cmail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:b030::1c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "forwards.mail.yandex.net", Issuer "Yandex CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EA771B61 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 19:19:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@yandex.com) Received: from smtp2o.mail.yandex.net (smtp2o.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::26]) by forward5m.cmail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id CEC9420729 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 22:19:37 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp2o.mail.yandex.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2o.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id ADC7F5080BA8 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 22:19:37 +0300 (MSK) Received: by smtp2o.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id LuBgXmGXyz-JZdSCUuN; Sun, 14 May 2017 22:19:36 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1494789576; bh=nP99t0k35B767tsCwCVyqMjr0kjiaqHihwP3xPFYjDo=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date; b=Rs44oQ7SpghGEYUzsko+Om+y4vWSxogi42lXb41j82O1E1gEDur2E2UrwUsieq3Si H2vOZyJdADPXirA546SE/fFFmnOiVWVDfzPgC2gfzGwieas2ioG/5rLVa6sXyR51ne 0T7ZBlabCuhBxroeVVzYQdsI+scThpjWf3PBDi68= Authentication-Results: smtp2o.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com X-Yandex-Suid-Status: 1 0 Message-ID: <1494789573.1614.6.camel@yandex.com> Subject: new HD on iMAc From: Stari Karp To: FreeBSD Questions Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 15:19:33 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 19:19:41 -0000 Hi! I am sorry if FreeBSD Questions is not correct for my question but: I have installed FreeBSD (now is 11-RELEASE) on iMac 11,1 where is also OS X on but I do not using it years. Now I have a problem with hard drive and I decided to change my HD with new SSD drive(I didn't buy yet). Is it possible to installed just FreeBSD on the computer, please? Now I have dual boot and I use rEFit. Thank you very much. SK From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 14 19:25:30 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D13AD6D980 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 19:25:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jim@ohlste.in) Received: from maurice.jlkmail.com (unknown [IPv6:2604:4500:6:2a6:ec4:7aff:feb5:1bb2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13D0E5DF for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 19:25:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jim@ohlste.in) Received: from maurice.jlkmail.com (maurice.jlkmail.com [127.0.0.1]) by maurice.jlkmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8149933AAD87 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 15:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Authentication-Results: maurice.jlkmail.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) reason="pass (just generated, assumed good)" header.d=ohlste.in DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ohlste.in; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-language:content-type :content-type:in-reply-to:mime-version:user-agent:date:date :message-id:from:from:references:to:subject:subject; s=dkim; t= 1494789928; x=1495653929; bh=i7H14FNcD1XOvyvt10aX42zHQ4bPgFIOhuH Rv8bwijw=; b=Z61Z3hEHJB1w9TGax086AD8Yt0o9Ty4svuXzbiS0BkXXvPTbf4w uaXidjkryMxSN6h+RpmE6RmEL1ioNZ2zaj/XsqzW/PvmXOfBzSpzUbi8hK2Xfcq1 Asdo1xDG2sfSVBZHclCfvW67HCfrcaEi1keUI5eBQ76FRMkYAZZ7/dJI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at maurice.jlkmail.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 tagged_above=-100 required=6.31 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from maurice.jlkmail.com ([127.0.0.1]) by maurice.jlkmail.com (maurice.jlkmail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id OWbtWQwoMHIi for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 15:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.153] (static-70-104-198-154.nrflva.fios.verizon.net [70.104.198.154]) by maurice.jlkmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0745533A0ED3; Sun, 14 May 2017 15:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: new HD on iMAc To: Stari Karp , FreeBSD Questions References: <1494789573.1614.6.camel@yandex.com> From: "jim@ohlste.in" Message-ID: <3f68d601-3f22-d8d0-0b76-9d350ea39dd8@ohlste.in> Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 15:25:27 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1494789573.1614.6.camel@yandex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 19:25:30 -0000 Hello, On 05/14/2017 03:19 PM, Stari Karp wrote: > Hi! > > I am sorry if FreeBSD Questions is not correct for my question but: > > I have installed FreeBSD (now is 11-RELEASE) on iMac 11,1 where is also > OS X on but I do not using it years. Now I have a problem with hard > drive and I decided to change my HD with new SSD drive(I didn't buy > yet). > Is it possible to installed just FreeBSD on the computer, please? Now I > have dual boot and I use rEFit. > Thank you very much. > I did it on a 2009 iMac. It was awhile ago, but if I recall correctly the only issue was it needed an older nvidia driver. -- Jim Ohlstein From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 14 19:58:10 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683A2D6DFB5 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 19:58:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) Received: from EUR03-AM5-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092070076.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.70.76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "Microsoft IT SSL SHA2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D956413B8 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 19:58:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hotmail.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; 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Sun, 14 May 2017 23:07:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com", Issuer "dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65B6B1930 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 23:07:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from [74.134.208.22] ([74.134.208.22:13975] helo=localhost) by dnvrco-omsmta02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTP id 01/09-29375-F03E8195; Sun, 14 May 2017 23:06:55 +0000 Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 23:06:56 +0000 Message-ID: <01.09.29375.F03E8195@dnvrco-omsmta02> From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Printer advice References: <20170514171907.180a99c2.freebsd@edvax.de> X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.64.7:25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 23:07:02 -0000 from Polytropon: > On Sun, 14 May 2017 08:05:50 +0000, Thomas Mueller wrote: > > My luck with HP has been bad, enough to dissuade me from buying > > any more HP products. > I always suggest to check http://hplipopensource.com/ _before_ > actually buying something. I believe I did that. > > I have HP LaserJet Professional M1212nf MFP, and the first > > several attempts were fruitless, in both NetBSD and FreeBSD. > Did you use the (most current) CUPS and hplip software? > http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/laserjet/hp_laserjet_professional_m1212nf_mfp.html > The following addition is provided: > This printer REQUIRES a downloadable driver plug-in, > which is required to enable print, fax or scan support. > Use hp-setup to install the printer, and to download > and install the plug-in. Driver plug-ins are released > under a proprietary (non-open) license and are not part > of the HPLIP tarball release. > Did you pay attention to this nonstandard part? Sure I saw that. But hp-setup always failed when attempting to download that plug-in. This is part of the reason, along with poor HP support policy, why I don't want to ever again buy anything from HP. How would I know before buying another printer if it requires a proprietary binary plug-in? A few years ago, on visiting HP website, this printer was past end-of-life, and no drivers were available even for MS-Windows. So I can try, but would be very surprised if that proprietary binary plug-in were even available. But I think I still have some old stuff for MS-Windows on hard drive. I looked in /usr/ports/print/hplip-plugin/pkg-plist, and couldn't see anything for my HP model. But hplipopensource was still alive (and well?). > > I finally got it to print in NetBSD through cups with a special > > PPD file, think FreeBSD might also work with the same PPD file. > Yes, the first P in PPD means "portable". :-) I think my printing success was due to cups; hplip seemed to play no part. > Scanning is not a problem once you have installed hplip and SANE. > Fax... who uses fax anymore? ;-) Scanning didn't work even with hplip and/or sane. Now I wonder if, when I get to needing another cartridge, the toner for my printer model will still be available. If not, I will consider myself blessed because that would mean I can give up on this printer in favor of something better. Besides FreeBSD, I will also have chances with NetBSD and a future Linux installation. I tried copying my custom NetBSD 7.99.71 kernels for amd64 to i386 by NFS from the Intel Ivy Bridge computer to my other (Intel Sandy Bridge) computer, and they booted successfully: a great surprise after failing on Intel Ivy Bridge computer. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 14 23:47:06 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78DFCD6D70B for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 23:47:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay13.qsc.de (mailrelay13.qsc.de [212.99.187.253]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3A43C26 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 23:47:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay13.qsc.de; Mon, 15 May 2017 01:46:30 +0200 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-93-38.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.93.38]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 613063CBF9; Mon, 15 May 2017 01:46:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v4ENkSqw004983; Mon, 15 May 2017 01:46:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 01:46:28 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Thomas Mueller" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Printer advice Message-Id: <20170515014628.26dbbccf.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <01.09.29375.F03E8195@dnvrco-omsmta02> References: <20170514171907.180a99c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <01.09.29375.F03E8195@dnvrco-omsmta02> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay13.qsc.de with C71146A0F51 X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.1330 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 23:47:06 -0000 On Sun, 14 May 2017 23:06:56 +0000, Thomas Mueller wrote: > from Polytropon: > > Did you pay attention to this nonstandard part? > > Sure I saw that. But hp-setup always failed when attempting to > download that plug-in. That is actually a big problem. It's usually easier to download the required parts manually, but I doubt both the hplipopensource.com and the HP documentation will explicitely point out _where_ to download it from. It's also common for manufacturers to stop the support for certain products, even if that just means some resource will be 404'd. > This is part of the reason, along with poor HP support policy, > why I don't want to ever again buy anything from HP. When I suggest using HP products, I only do this because I never had such problems. I try to check as much documentation as possible _before_ purchasing anything. If the device conforms to existing standards (such as PCL, PS, or PDF for printer language), there usually is no need for anything that printer-specific that only the manufacturer can provide. > How would I know before buying another printer if it requires a > proprietary binary plug-in? Search for the device at hplipopensource.com (in case it's a HP), it will be mentioned if such nonstandard parts are needed. Avoid "GDI printers" ("winprinters") at all cost. Yes, I'm looking at you, Canon! ;-) > A few years ago, on visiting HP website, this printer was past > end-of-life, and no drivers were available even for MS-Windows. That is quite common, and it doesn't even affect only ye olden office laser printers (such as HP Laserjet 4000 DN which stopped printing in "Windows 10"). Manufacturers are interested in selling you the same thing over and over, so planned obsolescence will be achieved through software (or to be precise: the _inavailability_ of software). > So I can try, but would be very surprised if that proprietary > binary plug-in were even available. Make sure you don't need such nonsense. Confirm that the printer will at least speak one of PCL, PS, or PDF. > I looked in /usr/ports/print/hplip-plugin/pkg-plist, and couldn't > see anything for my HP model. > > But hplipopensource was still alive (and well?). I recently confirmed a HP Officejet 8950 both through that site and in reality - but as I mentioned, that is an inkpee printer. There is no explicit mentioning in the hplip package list, but it works quite nicely. Even the dreaded CUPS auto-detection did work. > > > I finally got it to print in NetBSD through cups with a special > > > PPD file, think FreeBSD might also work with the same PPD file. > > > Yes, the first P in PPD means "portable". :-) > > I think my printing success was due to cups; hplip seemed to play no part. That is quite possible. CUPS includes lots of printer drivers on its own. > > Scanning is not a problem once you have installed hplip and SANE. > > Fax... who uses fax anymore? ;-) > > Scanning didn't work even with hplip and/or sane. If I remember correctly, you need to install the SANE backends library. That one will bring you the model-specific support. > Now I wonder if, when I get to needing another cartridge, the toner > for my printer model will still be available. > > If not, I will consider myself blessed because that would mean I > can give up on this printer in favor of something better. Shortage on toner supply is a good reason to dump a specifc model. For example, I'm using several HP Laserjet 4000 DN and I can still get toner cartridges for < 50 Euro. The moment those aren't sold anymore will make me unhappy. ;-) > Besides FreeBSD, I will also have chances with NetBSD and a > future Linux installation. All of them use CUPS for printing (and usually application software will depend on CUPS for anything printing-related). Even Mac OS X (or however they call it this year) uses CUPS. So whenever a printer works with CUPS, you're good to go across operating systems. Don't waste time with nonstandard binary driver plugins, uploadable firm- ware, host-based control programs or stupid stuff like that. Printers that require you to use those aren't worth buying. Again: Make sure the printer conforms to existing standards. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 15 00:40:54 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9137DD6C744 for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 00:40:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9AD1F4 for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 00:40:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 7BFD0D6C742; Mon, 15 May 2017 00:40:54 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BA7DD6C741 for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 00:40:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (host-209-190-254-14.client.atlantech.net [209.190.254.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail", Issuer "mail" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 452161F1 for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 00:40:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (tripel [192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id v4F0ehdv052267 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 20:40:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 20:40:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Hill To: FreeBSD Questions List Subject: Re: Printer advice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 00:40:54 -0000 OP here. First, thanks to all for your responses. Second, let me clarify that I would really prefer to stay away from CUPS if possible. I use lpr and printcap, with occasional printing from applications whose names start with "gn." What I'm after is a printer that works out of the box with minimal hassle. My main reason for hesitating on the HP M553n was that the specs claim support for "HP postscript level 3 emulation," which seems to be not the same thing as actual postscript. It would also be swell if I could avoid complications like hplip. And thanks to Valeri's I will be very leery of Xerox products; that Phaser I mentioned (6515DN) is probably out of the running now due to the chance of it becoming a Supplies Orphan. One thing I like about HP is that they seem to make consumables for many years after the product is discontinued. Toner, fusers etc. are still available for the old 4550N after these many years. -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging ] From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 15 01:48:32 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD07D6C7EE for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 01:48:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23021BCD for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 01:48:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id CEBF5D6C7ED; Mon, 15 May 2017 01:48:32 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB49D6C7EC for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 01:48:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay10.qsc.de (mailrelay10.qsc.de [212.99.163.152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A6661BCC for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 01:48:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay10.qsc.de; Mon, 15 May 2017 03:48:22 +0200 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-103-69.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.103.69]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C5AAD3CBF9; Mon, 15 May 2017 03:48:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v4F1mLax005980; Mon, 15 May 2017 03:48:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 03:48:20 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Chris Hill Cc: FreeBSD Questions List Subject: Re: Printer advice Message-Id: <20170515034820.bdf00cfb.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay10.qsc.de with 2F567683B78 X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.1184 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 01:48:33 -0000 On Sun, 14 May 2017 20:40:43 -0400 (EDT), Chris Hill wrote: > Second, let me clarify that I would really prefer to stay away from CUPS > if possible. I use lpr and printcap, with occasional printing from > applications whose names start with "gn." What I'm after is a printer > that works out of the box with minimal hassle. So you'd be best prepared with a printer that understands PS or PCL. You can generate PCL easily with gs (called via printcap), and PS is no problem because it's the default printing output format of all applications anyway. > My main reason for hesitating on the HP M553n was that the specs claim > support for "HP postscript level 3 emulation," which seems to be not the > same thing as actual postscript. It would also be swell if I could avoid > complications like hplip. That printer also speaks PCL and PDF, which frees you from using hplip (which is primarily intended for HP inkpee printers). You can use gs to "preprocess" the printing program's output PS to fit the printer, and you can - if intended - incorporate PPD set-up instructions if you want to address specific printer facilities or behaviour. > One thing I like about > HP is that they seem to make consumables for many years after the > product is discontinued. Toner, fusers etc. are still available for the > old 4550N after these many years. Few years ago, I even got new "rubber parts" for a HP Laserjet 4! :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 15 04:20:32 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D787D6D157 for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 04:20:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67CD55F0 for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 04:20:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 644A2D6D156; Mon, 15 May 2017 04:20:32 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63EC3D6D155 for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 04:20:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38F1D5EE for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 04:20:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id v4F4KUSh097712 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 14 May 2017 22:20:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id v4F4KUGL097709; Sun, 14 May 2017 22:20:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 22:20:30 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Chris Hill cc: FreeBSD Questions List Subject: Re: Printer advice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (BSF 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 14 May 2017 22:20:30 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 04:20:32 -0000 On Sun, 14 May 2017, Chris Hill wrote: > OP here. > > First, thanks to all for your responses. > > Second, let me clarify that I would really prefer to stay away from CUPS if > possible. I use lpr and printcap, with occasional printing from applications > whose names start with "gn." What I'm after is a printer that works out of > the box with minimal hassle. > > My main reason for hesitating on the HP M553n was that the specs claim > support for "HP postscript level 3 emulation," which seems to be not the same > thing as actual postscript. Actual PostScript has license fees. But HP's emulated PostScript is quite good and very mature. It is unlikely to find a incompatibility. > It would also be swell if I could avoid complications like hplip. Since the printer accepts PostScript, you can avoid the complication of CUPS and hplip and all that stuff. Send the PS file straight to the printer. That can be done with various protocols: HP port 9100, LPD, even FTP. To use some features of the printer like duplexing, it might be necessary to modify the header of the PS file. This can be done with scripts that modify the file as it is sent to a print queue. A couple of simple examples of such filters are shown in the printing chapter of the Handbook. It would be nice to add examples of printing duplex or other options, although some of them vary from printer to printer. CUPS uses the PPD file to get each printer's abilities, but I've never found the complexity worth it. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 15 06:48:45 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C333D6D3C7 for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 06:48:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD1D18BE for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 06:48:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [89.204.135.159] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dA9o3-00035j-JE for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 May 2017 08:48:35 +0200 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id v4F6mYSs022381 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 08:48:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id v4F6mYGu022377 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 May 2017 08:48:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 08:48:34 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Printer advice Message-ID: <20170515064834.GA20251@c720-r314251> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <63850d0d-673c-f5f8-69b1-71376fdbdccc@speakeasy.org> <20170514164111.40e0e4db.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20170514164111.40e0e4db.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.0 (2017-02-23) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 89.204.135.159 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 06:48:45 -0000 El día domingo, mayo 14, 2017 a las 04:41:11p. m. +0200, Polytropon escribió: > > > I wonder if anyone can offer advice on a new printer. My old HP 4550N > > > has finally given up the ghost after more than 16 years of semi-faithful > > > service. > > > > > > I'm looking for a color laser printer with ethernet interface and > > > Postscript comprehension. I'm currently looking at the HP M553n and the > > > Xerox Phaser 6515DN, but if you have other suggestions, ideas, > > > caveats... I'd love to hear them. Thanks. I'm using with FreeBSD 12-CURRENT (with cups 2.2.2) a printer/scanner, a HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP M277 works fine with: - Postscript - PCL - scans and sends the scan to configured e-mail addr as PDF or JPEG - configuration via browser it could do outbound fax as well, but unused/untested by me matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, ⌂ http://www.unixarea.de/ ☎ +49-176-38902045 8. Mai 1945: Wer nicht feiert hat den Krieg verloren. 8 de mayo de 1945: Quien no festeja perdió la Guerra. May 8, 1945: Who does not celebrate lost the War. 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I use lpr and printcap, with occasional printing from >> applications whose names start with "gn." What I'm after is a printer >> that works out of the box with minimal hassle. > > So you'd be best prepared with a printer that understands PS or PCL. > You can generate PCL easily with gs (called via printcap), and PS is > no problem because it's the default printing output format of all > applications anyway. 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BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(22001)(201702061074)(5061506573)(5061507331)(1603103135)(2017031320274)(2017031324274)(2017031323274)(2017031322274)(1601125374)(1603101448)(1701031045); SRVR:CY1NAM02HT143; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(444000031); SRVR:CY1NAM02HT143; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:CY1NAM02HT143; x-forefront-prvs: 0308EE423E spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <45F356AD3500F342AAA45E2C57B29A2D@namprd20.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 15 May 2017 12:45:09.7827 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CY1NAM02HT143 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 12:45:12 -0000 On Mon, 15 May 2017 13:59:30 +0200, Tijl Coosemans stated: > On Mon, 15 May 2017 03:48:20 +0200 Polytropon > wrote: > > On Sun, 14 May 2017 20:40:43 -0400 (EDT), Chris Hill wrote: =20 > >> Second, let me clarify that I would really prefer to stay away > >> from CUPS if possible. I use lpr and printcap, with occasional > >> printing from applications whose names start with "gn." What I'm > >> after is a printer that works out of the box with minimal > >> hassle. =20 > >=20 > > So you'd be best prepared with a printer that understands PS or PCL. > > You can generate PCL easily with gs (called via printcap), and PS is > > no problem because it's the default printing output format of all > > applications anyway. =20 >=20 > The standard print format for applications has been PDF for a while > now: > https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/openprinting/pdf_as_standard_print_job_f= ormat Over a year ago, I reported that PDF was the new "standard". Personally, I believe that PDF is superior to and more readily accepted than PS. In any case, yesterdays "standards" will be obsoleted by todays "standards", which in turn will be mothballed by tomorrow's more technologically advanced "standards". I love standards, there are so many too choose from. The only thing "standard" about a "standard" is that it will be superseded by another "standard". That is why I try to not get too attached to any one "standard". --=20 Carmel From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 15 14:26:55 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BDE9D6E4F9 for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 14:26:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F38810CD for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 14:26:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from testbox.news4all.se (testbox.usenet4all.se [10.0.0.3]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id v4FEQaHC095113; Mon, 15 May 2017 16:26:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Subject: Re: Printer advice To: Polytropon , Thomas Mueller References: <20170514171907.180a99c2.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Bernt Hansson Message-ID: <9fabe602-3f0b-0241-0f49-fb0c0fb27268@bananmonarki.se> Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 16:26:36 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170514171907.180a99c2.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 14:26:55 -0000 On 2017-05-14 17:19, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 14 May 2017 08:05:50 +0000, Thomas Mueller wrote: >> My luck with HP has been bad, enough to dissuade me from buying >> any more HP products. > I always suggest to check http://hplipopensource.com/ _before_ > actually buying something. > Check this page before buying a printer http://www.openprinting.org/printers And this one for scanners http://sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 15 17:43:26 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE06D6DCED for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 17:43:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) Received: from nm26-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.119]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 287FEE1D for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 17:43:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1494870199; bh=aE7HiUfaX6hz/S1oOyZl1pLd3Sxx+r7Erwrvw4WmxG8=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=W3bW38bl0dHumawGNGmDfzzOfvkl6LIG6N7hEgAPmzuEHnHReJT/DnlVgBLQyjaWlOpQk+yes/AcLsNQiGRIqIqacmLa43/twUyRp4KQEzDWGpFW8hZblaqBKPlTzSvnZgFotbDsW/iKBQMDWSZhwDrvnKVTdFRCNyFmSqwd31S4zave8mLAonxOT3YGouxN4pqKMyTIFN98ki4Zq0V2efR993k8Nzzj+PV4I1NcO63MMRp5mvrscUQIJMwoIBu9kvbNGFcMPi5S8Z5E+YNHc73W4zkIMIY8aTvPk4sJGlGA/gGmvd+x3iAGg/pKoi5yoizEOTUAVqFfS7pYiww+YQ== Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm26.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2017 17:43:19 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.132] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2017 17:43:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp219.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2017 17:43:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 373720.99842.bm@smtp219.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 7BxO9kYVM1nEWGB1CKvkK.k4AtW768MWHVyqgwq4_PjFB57 DLxhEQMGtwvkSyeGPOLCeKvXW5qfdPJz8yNuD8O2Pvl8cAKT2fluAfako9AU wIT8rYrU4jNMmEp4yK.57cyzbUQ9h2NMWiJEjx7w8bzokgrFxF_ejyAGP_Fo Do8VuOQTKJWmy0XCPAVqkARUuZ8IW43ykYMUHPcDLr29BpHC6cRngdA6LIGM 763Fiyt4A6DbX4PwvRS95Z531xtySKUVN9OCD.rzuw3XmT4IMM5fniM1ovIJ pvEEQOXqMdFnAMF2MqRMH1JsoF9v.6DcHpRcawOq6eBZ1Od93vqAkxJKiF6A PnaD..XckhW1saUW5quU989DGkxDO93vLvfqKDaIs7yD8mnJFl.csfC1Jp.. 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Be careful to read if any of them have additional 'linux' driver software... aka not being completely open. They provide binary drivers (like some from Brother) and cause issues. So far, HP has done well with HPLIP, but they really should get it up to speed with similar functionality to the Windoze software. P. On 5/15/2017 10:26 AM, Bernt Hansson wrote: > On 2017-05-14 17:19, Polytropon wrote: >> On Sun, 14 May 2017 08:05:50 +0000, Thomas Mueller wrote: >>> My luck with HP has been bad, enough to dissuade me from buying >>> any more HP products. >> I always suggest to check http://hplipopensource.com/ _before_ >> actually buying something. >> > Check this page before buying a printer > > http://www.openprinting.org/printers > > And this one for scanners > > http://sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 15 19:10:45 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B400D6EE25 for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 19:10:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from smtp1.irishbroadband.ie (smtp2.irishbroadband.ie [62.231.32.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 271BD1632 for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 19:10:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from [89.127.62.20] (helo=smtp.lan.sohara.org) by smtp1.irishbroadband.ie with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1dAL5B-0005xq-2m; Mon, 15 May 2017 19:51:01 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.89 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1dAL6C-000FnG-QU; Mon, 15 May 2017 18:52:04 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 19:50:54 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Paul Pathiakis Subject: Re: Printer advice Message-Id: <20170515195054.3a97b56ccbbb246888be2d24@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <4f51c091-0896-22f9-dbf4-6210dac45853@yahoo.com> References: <20170514171907.180a99c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <9fabe602-3f0b-0241-0f49-fb0c0fb27268@bananmonarki.se> <4f51c091-0896-22f9-dbf4-6210dac45853@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.1 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 19:10:45 -0000 On Mon, 15 May 2017 13:43:17 -0400 Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: > Hi, > > Something I caution people about.... although the printers on > openprinting.org work for Linux, there are issues. Be careful to read > if any of them have additional 'linux' driver software... aka not being > completely open. They provide binary drivers (like some from Brother) > and cause issues. So far, HP has done well with HPLIP, but they really I got the Brother binary drivers working easily enough by running CUPS in a Centos userland in a jail. In theory they can be got to work in a FreeBSD install of CUPS but you have to get everything into place by hand and I never managed to get it right. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 15 21:49:13 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB37ED6E2F9 for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 21:49:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x244.google.com (mail-wm0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62E7BAEF for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 21:49:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x244.google.com with SMTP id v4so32068510wmb.2 for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 14:49:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3B0c4NCBzr/zlX04vXkvjh395TXAgu8Urc/j35wXH2s=; b=LLhBiC74XoY3bCEBGl4qBghhFtp44aDuRcYReEX09TUK0kEOvzBn7tMo4jPLVRMG69 UxjNKvwJRNdNCe65qq51poMAl8RG0nfCI5sjHnvVCN113svOxvXWbVfL7veo7EY3vjEx PCKWhzEsQ4L9b/Vpjj1SgiDXWDf/zcCpVJ0ox6+D3XfjOzMtaLYCqrYP3hOrW0qJgBy2 ImfPtccOOB7e6payyVR6IkGwslV7JwC1fdeMwmOFb13dozZVeCrpuSoTkZULdvtnujK1 acKoF+hq9cL/6C4EnqyNBJ5Nshhockmg0aoZAj7DiDqZUvZiV95uEReCZ6J/aGk1aXIM LYnA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3B0c4NCBzr/zlX04vXkvjh395TXAgu8Urc/j35wXH2s=; b=U+UvlggGFsbEhWbKvPANksr1WXj1ecLuR0D3zELIXBslgTPfzW+7AoVDgh+YKgPN5i PXwFIK4Nx9C/omhMNThqBgucZVsMnDycWpMJuW5hNWmn4gQ55ZcG1CgoWSQ74F33e5Gx qI2qcSN6zpCSpfTrY5gCm1JhpXKzmoFZ33xPIdowvk06qPJvd7cY/BAGfX7Z1jw1LBUm KY3B8YFIDSd3aHepghDDBo+h/oCOp9ZB8G8TyGcMKIvf0ZGBqOyIG9YrKozgEK4MKT1L uJhGVjg9LX4CMVUl8oPMXagwR5w+WuLbuPBJ5FPzGz4r+PJDuB6AQvsblGSvANhY8Au+ v4VQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcDl3QsY/FLkJqUYAEDOpSiMG5L7FZ3BTZxFzLlBfRI9H8zeJ8tN bRMIXl9D+W74BHfX X-Received: by 10.223.157.11 with SMTP id k11mr5185940wre.71.1494884951583; Mon, 15 May 2017 14:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([81.17.24.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p5sm8119625wma.17.2017.05.15.14.49.09 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Mon, 15 May 2017 14:49:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 22:49:07 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Printer advice Message-ID: <20170515224907.76efed1e@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20170515195054.3a97b56ccbbb246888be2d24@sohara.org> References: <20170514171907.180a99c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <9fabe602-3f0b-0241-0f49-fb0c0fb27268@bananmonarki.se> <4f51c091-0896-22f9-dbf4-6210dac45853@yahoo.com> <20170515195054.3a97b56ccbbb246888be2d24@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 21:49:13 -0000 On Mon, 15 May 2017 19:50:54 +0100 Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > I got the Brother binary drivers working easily enough by > running CUPS in a Centos userland in a jail. Whats the advantage of that over using Linux CUPS under the ordinary /usr/compat/linux/ Centos install? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 16 04:35:59 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4FE5D6F82E for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 04:35:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@geeks.org) Received: from mail.geeks.org (mail.geeks.org [IPv6:2001:4980:3333:1::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4C6718D1 for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 04:35:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@geeks.org) Received: from mail.geeks.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by after-clamsmtpd.geeks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E07110238; Mon, 15 May 2017 23:35:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mail.geeks.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 3137E110235; Mon, 15 May 2017 23:35:58 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 23:35:58 -0500 From: Doug McIntyre To: Trust No 1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Your opinion about HP z800 ws Message-ID: <20170516043558.GA54991@geeks.org> References: <20170514184138.67a8a221@dukefleed.2mh.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20170514184138.67a8a221@dukefleed.2mh.it> User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.0 (2017-02-23) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 04:35:59 -0000 On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 06:41:48PM +0200, Trust No 1 via freebsd-questions wrote: > I would like to buy a used HP z800 workstation to build a new > upcoming 11.1 system and replace my Dell T7400 (running 10.3). Seems more like a sidewise-swap, rather than an upgrade going by the specs on either system, although perhaps you get to run 5 gens out on the Intel CPU rather than 6 gens out on the Intel CPU, depending on what CPU you end up in either. I'd probably spend the money on a little bit newer. > And, VERY important for me, is the possibility to have a raid-5 system > because I will use it also as a repository for all the photos of my > family. Going by HP support docs, the Z800 could have two different RAID configs. Either an Intel RAID system, which was a software RAID combined with Windows drivers, or an LSI based RAID system appropriate for the era. eg. LSI pretty much has made all the hardware RAID controllers since this time, they all act about the same. I don't know anything about the HP Workstations, but if they are anything like the servers, one thing I don't like about them is their RAID systems only will take HP firmware disks, and refuse to work with anything else. LSI RAID and HBA cards of the era will also only take up to 2TB disks max (well, maybe only 1TB, since that is the biggest listed drive as part of the spec sheet), but 2TB is the max the controller chip supports. I'd really strongly suggest doing ZFS instead directly on FreeBSD rather than RAID-5 hardware RAID card. Having direct access to the disks for control & monitoring really makes a nice combination. Turn on SMART monitoring, and you'll start catching drive fails super early before it really goes south on you, and the ZFS file system will protect against bitrot and let you setup a number of different configurations emphasizing whatever is most important to you. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 16 05:45:51 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7869ED6CADE for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 05:45:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drizzt321@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk0-x232.google.com (mail-vk0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E33628C for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 05:45:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drizzt321@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk0-x232.google.com with SMTP id p85so39012741vkd.3 for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 22:45:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=lst0vaX+xBSec8uHV+/5emDn/g1abqnOgK6DBSTG4sU=; b=GGVaEsAjp9Yn7J80289drg56HwCT2tS5vpm656sa07+GQOUWU1iWDd09J07EewIz8M qU39giYRFeIsVO6noY4U0lXRS1Ghwqim5oyOvm7IiclHuRue01hF/DauUJWNetYjRVSP zqVWx4+ac5JKXaawfilE/1ZqywRVnvYrGidqlnM/ZEnm0Z5pl8MsRihrTE3nqcujUaFy 9zgYHsfP4A9pDtqmm92A4ir2/3IkK3lcbaw5cZDdUinVSw8tsc48ndLOezfpeuOME4a6 SEfBpAyWLRLCceqaDUwdxgdqXyyg2QYCdsvRLWcaWYSH16EOnbqo72zq4NsJ+KS7WEgM wSiQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=lst0vaX+xBSec8uHV+/5emDn/g1abqnOgK6DBSTG4sU=; b=MAv8rpp07Q9sUL8MtSocdL41CZnixaHGHwjVVwKtM69ch+0EWjUfHCZ9z7ItrZPirb pfnoCv+rTzJ1bwT10bj4K88k5OOouETMEIqy6k6V3XPWzH2Smis0abdIb/dWeJ+h+yq5 y4RVecDgoomGDo0Znbbr/0vuZ53EFumEHYWf7Pp9UXQRNYD08UY5C72qNTwUIxFiclDD 1NhN/d7RIbLPPacIFMcpO0VpuHK1yyJBvTH/52kiayTn5A6L/7CgMrG3DQdWFaUpYuwX PsThkY5Tne2QkwSEbPGK8tjO9VDuiqVfCHzYNRjWQyUcLjtK8eURJUH1wED+nDRxrNP2 8pkQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcAujZkH89qFXdxlTEBprBubcPOpb6gooouwFBl3J7uhNMMYV1Ql 1Sw+jaEmTdA6oGRmgR9hcwv1mjFASSIi3e4= X-Received: by 10.31.244.66 with SMTP id s63mr4017093vkh.21.1494913549611; Mon, 15 May 2017 22:45:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.148.75 with HTTP; Mon, 15 May 2017 22:45:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 22:45:19 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: ZFS root on single SSD? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 05:45:51 -0000 So, I've been running ZFS root mirror across 2 spinning disks, and I'm upgrading my home server/nas and planning on running root on a spare SSD. However, I'm unsure if it'd be better to run UFS as a single drive root instead of ZFS, although I do love all of the ZFS features (snapshots, COW, scrubbing, etc) and would still like to keep that for my root drive, even if I'm not mirroring at all. I do notice that FreeBSD has TRIM support for ZFS (see http://open-zfs.org/wiki/Features#TRIM_Support). So is there a good reason NOT to run ZFS root on a single drive SSD? --Aaron From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 16 05:48:46 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4193AD6CC20 for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 05:48:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from smtp3.irishbroadband.ie (smtp4.irishbroadband.ie [62.231.32.6]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C9E63BC for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 05:48:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from [89.127.62.20] (helo=smtp.lan.sohara.org) by smtp3.irishbroadband.ie with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1dAUye-0000NX-NM; Tue, 16 May 2017 06:24:56 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.89 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1dAUzg-000Knr-I4; Tue, 16 May 2017 05:26:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 06:24:49 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: RW Subject: Re: Printer advice Message-Id: <20170516062449.a80c020072832c36a0c906a3@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20170515224907.76efed1e@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <20170514171907.180a99c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <9fabe602-3f0b-0241-0f49-fb0c0fb27268@bananmonarki.se> <4f51c091-0896-22f9-dbf4-6210dac45853@yahoo.com> <20170515195054.3a97b56ccbbb246888be2d24@sohara.org> <20170515224907.76efed1e@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.1 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 05:48:46 -0000 On Mon, 15 May 2017 22:49:07 +0100 RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Mon, 15 May 2017 19:50:54 +0100 > Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > > I got the Brother binary drivers working easily enough by > > running CUPS in a Centos userland in a jail. > > Whats the advantage of that over using Linux CUPS under > the ordinary /usr/compat/linux/ Centos install? The install scripts work in a jail, using compat you would have to put everything in place by hand so you might as well use FreeBSD CUPS. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 16 07:39:50 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC93CD6FCEC for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 07:39:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F61C1DC5 for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 07:39:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local (unknown [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:1c1d:86a1:a200:b700]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E023BA566 for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 07:39:44 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/E023BA566; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: ZFS root on single SSD? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <99fa2537-9fb1-0ccf-d906-39db1c2e2685@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 08:39:36 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tTlkTI13EKqu1iV41QAeXuuv951kLg7Ut" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 07:39:51 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --tTlkTI13EKqu1iV41QAeXuuv951kLg7Ut Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="LWTT1Cb8DXvl2keGw3NiOSXjilQuP3t2F"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <99fa2537-9fb1-0ccf-d906-39db1c2e2685@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: ZFS root on single SSD? References: In-Reply-To: --LWTT1Cb8DXvl2keGw3NiOSXjilQuP3t2F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 16/05/2017 06:45, Aaron wrote: > So, I've been running ZFS root mirror across 2 spinning disks, and I'm > upgrading my home server/nas and planning on running root on a spare SS= D. > However, I'm unsure if it'd be better to run UFS as a single drive root= > instead of ZFS, although I do love all of the ZFS features (snapshots, = COW, > scrubbing, etc) and would still like to keep that for my root drive, ev= en > if I'm not mirroring at all. I do notice that FreeBSD has TRIM support = for > ZFS (see http://open-zfs.org/wiki/Features#TRIM_Support). >=20 > So is there a good reason NOT to run ZFS root on a single drive SSD? No. Running ZFS on a single device works fine, although you obviously don't benefit from all the really nice resilience features. The choice between UFS2 and ZFS basically comes down to three points: * performance -- for certain IO patterns, UFS can out-perform ZFS quite markedly. Particularly the sort of small, randomly distributed IOs you get with a RDBMS. Of course, for database use, the additional data security you get from ZFS makes it desirable despite this. * system resources -- ZFS is memory hungry. This is not a problem on most contemporary machines, which tend to have sufficient RAM, but older machines, VMs or appliances may struggle. * data security -- the integrated checksumming in ZFS provides assurance that the data you're reading now is the same as what you wrote previously. Now, this is almost always the case with UFS2 (would be entirely useless if not), but there is no actual guarantee of it, and silent data corruption is possible[*]. If you're handling data which is really important or in particularly large volumes or where your hardware may prove deficient, then ZFS is indicated. Cheers, Matthew [*] With only one drive and one copy of each file, ZFS cannot provide resilience against data errors, but it will prevent it going unnoticed. --LWTT1Cb8DXvl2keGw3NiOSXjilQuP3t2F-- --tTlkTI13EKqu1iV41QAeXuuv951kLg7Ut Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJZGqzAXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2NTNBNjhCOTEzQTRFNkNGM0UxRTEzMjZC QjIzQUY1MThFMUE0MDEzAAoJELsjr1GOGkATAhEP/2UKQ4xgF94vpiMjQJdCsK9x 2e/wq2mIhNFLpeXHLsiRma/RN0mcvOFfhCj5zPZvvsrCZoyKZf2cPq8UR1r6aYPx bd//fHlvQIDKIBsA9GzH8R6q9nZ/xVkSSbS63tAiAETY3DqQg6Zl+BgJloxN4S35 ibKfBsQGRuCYBLjcbgShoJvdYeOWv+q0nApm62dvbjGDh7ufbQMejxMPyPnV1j6M PWoda35MfpDy2isJho5M5CsUDD4qoPprvNZ/J0hP3gsCZzifuZULvf1aCJrfEf8f W9so8ERWiQ6r/E7PwnJpgFhSEhM50haHrnyMlgzWmxvTY01KbiXRuE5RZP2X6zJi tawhcFISe0aoK0kfoizMOGcEemmzJ6GgbYPGwAm5IsH5gSrxRMIELHUJ3t31Xvc6 SBedV93QU7ckvqDSqldpc6ORhtVAIbuuZSQ1q19fzBwnvjxqfExsMy4suLDtWpow gbsE/OAL0VN2A5iV4KD64YLA4PXxPiTd3ivQXRjhBgSwiPN+lZ9JQLsQE36R8wKO 0UCUS32ltVfUAIH/IV0DHGZvoH99afCsEe2m14UgP/6BJMkc0Jw1KgiJdCjbmDqM Q+cjfZv167xglrAU8Jke6rvW+J1QbcABonupq5MwGT7KR6W0/MJ1ii1mmxAVzLnu +L4TIfaDgzKwDnd53doN =aFj0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tTlkTI13EKqu1iV41QAeXuuv951kLg7Ut-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 16 10:34:49 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC11CD6F102 for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 10:34:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jim@ohlste.in) Received: from maurice.jlkmail.com (maurice.jlkmail.com [23.111.151.218]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71A081EB0 for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 10:34:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jim@ohlste.in) Received: from maurice.jlkmail.com (maurice.jlkmail.com [127.0.0.1]) by maurice.jlkmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E757E33AAEE7 for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 06:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Authentication-Results: maurice.jlkmail.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) reason="pass (just generated, assumed good)" header.d=ohlste.in DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ohlste.in; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-language:content-type :content-type:in-reply-to:mime-version:user-agent:date:date :message-id:from:from:references:to:subject:subject; s=dkim; t= 1494930879; x=1495794880; bh=lfOiWOZk8mblf5WaKw75+KodwjlYioT1STt Vc0IgMEE=; b=qshUpio6LCwfLousai0dRPJBlteQlZ5BHOd0mhePqLMtHu45kZj GqC+QqWokNe4QRvIWGZiIFDSPkvWNOIz0vKL06XiTkIqzmIxrCOsIDETCCeMfufJ bcRcpflXY8cUSGZRs4CBQiZpzdFvnKXkX9rTIJ0ZcyeFefjwLLDwdBFQ= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at maurice.jlkmail.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 tagged_above=-100 required=6.31 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from maurice.jlkmail.com ([127.0.0.1]) by maurice.jlkmail.com (maurice.jlkmail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id zxbGlc-Fy-hd for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 06:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.153] (static-70-104-198-154.nrflva.fios.verizon.net [70.104.198.154]) by maurice.jlkmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47B4033AAB45; Tue, 16 May 2017 06:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: ZFS root on single SSD? To: Aaron References: <99fa2537-9fb1-0ccf-d906-39db1c2e2685@FreeBSD.org> From: "jim@ohlste.in" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <9997fd01-273c-b176-b9ed-e33e9e2d1b2f@ohlste.in> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 06:34:38 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <99fa2537-9fb1-0ccf-d906-39db1c2e2685@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 10:34:49 -0000 Hello, On 05/16/2017 03:39 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 16/05/2017 06:45, Aaron wrote: >> So, I've been running ZFS root mirror across 2 spinning disks, and I'm >> upgrading my home server/nas and planning on running root on a spare SSD. >> However, I'm unsure if it'd be better to run UFS as a single drive root >> instead of ZFS, although I do love all of the ZFS features (snapshots, COW, >> scrubbing, etc) and would still like to keep that for my root drive, even >> if I'm not mirroring at all. I do notice that FreeBSD has TRIM support for >> ZFS (see http://open-zfs.org/wiki/Features#TRIM_Support). >> >> So is there a good reason NOT to run ZFS root on a single drive SSD? > > No. Running ZFS on a single device works fine, although you obviously > don't benefit from all the really nice resilience features. > > The choice between UFS2 and ZFS basically comes down to three points: > > * performance -- for certain IO patterns, UFS can out-perform ZFS > quite markedly. Particularly the sort of small, randomly distributed > IOs you get with a RDBMS. Of course, for database use, the additional > data security you get from ZFS makes it desirable despite this. > > * system resources -- ZFS is memory hungry. This is not a problem on > most contemporary machines, which tend to have sufficient RAM, but older > machines, VMs or appliances may struggle. > > * data security -- the integrated checksumming in ZFS provides > assurance that the data you're reading now is the same as what you wrote > previously. Now, this is almost always the case with UFS2 (would be > entirely useless if not), but there is no actual guarantee of it, and > silent data corruption is possible[*]. If you're handling data which is > really important or in particularly large volumes or where your hardware > may prove deficient, then ZFS is indicated. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > [*] With only one drive and one copy of each file, ZFS cannot provide > resilience against data errors, but it will prevent it going unnoticed. > I'd add only that while a mirrored zpool offers some data protection, it is *not* an effective "backup" solution for important data. Drive failure during resilver after a drive replacement does occur. If there's important data on the drive, backing it up to a different medium is still essential, whether it's a mirrored pool or a single drive pool. [Leaned once the hard way]™ -- Jim Ohlstein From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 16 11:24:27 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84B9D70D13 for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 11:24:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay15.qsc.de (mailrelay15.qsc.de [212.99.187.254]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F63D3CF for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 11:24:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay15.qsc.de; Tue, 16 May 2017 13:23:59 +0200 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-103-69.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.103.69]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 037C33CBF9; Tue, 16 May 2017 13:23:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v4GBNu2J002091; Tue, 16 May 2017 13:23:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 13:23:55 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "jim@ohlste.in" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS root on single SSD? Message-Id: <20170516132355.e7346f50.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <9997fd01-273c-b176-b9ed-e33e9e2d1b2f@ohlste.in> References: <99fa2537-9fb1-0ccf-d906-39db1c2e2685@FreeBSD.org> <9997fd01-273c-b176-b9ed-e33e9e2d1b2f@ohlste.in> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay15.qsc.de with A7952684BEE X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.5037 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 11:24:27 -0000 On Tue, 16 May 2017 06:34:38 -0400, jim@ohlste.in wrote: > I'd add only that while a mirrored zpool offers some data protection, it > is *not* an effective "backup" solution for important data. Drive > failure during resilver after a drive replacement does occur. If there's > important data on the drive, backing it up to a different medium is > still essential, whether it's a mirrored pool or a single drive pool. > [Leaned once the hard way]â„¢ Relatesd typical CTO or IT superior management or executive statement: "We don't need backup, we have RAID!" ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 16 21:04:48 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C95D70924 for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 21:04:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drizzt321@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ua0-x230.google.com (mail-ua0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07E23983 for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 21:04:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drizzt321@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ua0-x230.google.com with SMTP id j17so107732061uag.3 for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 14:04:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=33wGIsSwjVPO7X6aa03n4M1mPcigFq8y64aAocYWn9o=; b=pXdfUuvVpWcxiPat513OwPLUftzmIj/1VXjFsgA7SxxWJMxBSezjAH8LU8lVLxuf6V S8ipkwSYdR0S6k/jbU8IGUTELArce8B1xu2FhQRUkTi16cOxufR+xlbJJR7aeS7U5jVX aExrXKn6FNlrHGfSkX5Ah1XH1Y64bdHOcaZ509qvpdzGcMwsm5pRSoT1BxzInyJpmTZV eIMX/hXOk4lSCiQ8tPFWAeBLKvZ15CVVF88GYSPb6m2DcxyLmpd+f6MLXvf2HJhw+Awb aOtaUPfrORO/3l1lEsQbb/lxhsuLHerZoG6rxINGUX2RnUlxen0P2zZNfzOlKgB3dRpc TZSg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=33wGIsSwjVPO7X6aa03n4M1mPcigFq8y64aAocYWn9o=; b=kgzC8PRsCYWwtbp1s2VzK6SXm8xcTEFyeyKywK9eSGudFMSs9xYi48UiL0QmhnciqU vaVS5CtfTmcmKFL8uQFLMbQ5RkouoUej4G/ZpcKpqXZl3k4aKsLR1cTKx4XW10lRzqat iaJ+guWjG5/8+23pJ48mPjsYm9zK1Ohv1j1S6hVugOOFPlySQc77wbUtvR1JUwJNxYZM uAR10ppo4cJwwhdasbvWsAgKkuivzVhfWWxvqs4WcvzcbnN1Czh8vO5D6lbnOezAlP4O fNpiV+OWFB6QNDwiqU4KMHZqcrOB6n6z6A0zqRO1/RIeS5mbzOZXr0vFqdxHjPb+a/Iq qJvw== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcA/tYXNLMQGHeRU5w5vVA2nb/yOCXuW9P1Gc4eFgSAMDcs0IVdH x5E3xHbVJzvIjQlidpGrYUlRNz90eFX4 X-Received: by 10.176.80.162 with SMTP id c31mr5762982uaa.25.1494968686540; Tue, 16 May 2017 14:04:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.148.75 with HTTP; Tue, 16 May 2017 14:04:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20170516132355.e7346f50.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <99fa2537-9fb1-0ccf-d906-39db1c2e2685@FreeBSD.org> <9997fd01-273c-b176-b9ed-e33e9e2d1b2f@ohlste.in> <20170516132355.e7346f50.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Aaron Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 14:04:16 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ZFS root on single SSD? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 21:04:48 -0000 LOL, well, this is my home system, and but I do recognize that RAID !=3D backup (have CrashPlan for that), and even mirror can fail on a rebuild. I was just trying to gauge if it was an actual bad idea, or just a "meh, whatever dude, probably won't hurt". @Matt Usage pattern will be basically general system processes, and quite possibly several bhyve VMs, things like CrashPlan (stupid lack of FreeBSD support) and a few game server VMs, although for the games I'll almost certainly have the data hosted via shares onto my ZFS array which is my primary data storage. System resources...I've got 12C/24T, 72GB RDIMM memory. It'll be fine. I've actually been running zroot mirror & raidz array with 12GB memory and an old Athlon II dual core. So should be fine. I can swap out some 4GB dimms for 8GB dimms if I need more memory. Data security, that's where I'd like ZFS for, for the checksumming & such, even though I won't get drive failure protection. Still, I've had the SSD running and in use on a different machine for a while, so if it was going to just have a controller failure or something it would have had it by now, so should be fine. And I'll backup configs & such just in case anyway. --Aaron On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 4:23 AM, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 16 May 2017 06:34:38 -0400, jim@ohlste.in wrote: > > I'd add only that while a mirrored zpool offers some data protection, i= t > > is *not* an effective "backup" solution for important data. Drive > > failure during resilver after a drive replacement does occur. If there'= s > > important data on the drive, backing it up to a different medium is > > still essential, whether it's a mirrored pool or a single drive pool. > > [Leaned once the hard way]=E2=84=A2 > > Relatesd typical CTO or IT superior management or executive > statement: "We don't need backup, we have RAID!" ;-) > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 16 22:25:12 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9874D6E2C6 for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 22:25:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from hapkido.dreamhost.com (hapkido.dreamhost.com [66.33.216.122]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 947C71C00 for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 22:25:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from homiemail-a56.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by hapkido.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C76C959CC for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 15:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a56.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a56.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C8F6003F2B; Tue, 16 May 2017 15:24:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=ozzmosis.com; h=date:from :to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type :in-reply-to; s=ozzmosis.com; bh=nHbWTmCFg4TXrWW1v1wRKHy3GXg=; b= kLRziUPL6PDzyOaApO7yh3whXehsZfuwAJmdP1CPIEOOlpLV6h6vPdu/5+b0f/2h 6SpLlB4wHDUBED4koDr1k/5hpBPW11HJ6qj76roHLGQBTAvCq3vY7vy9lsbm6nUV kvnQpo4sZ8wINn/K3CnipEK8mXaPfymuwF0seZMwUYM= Received: from blizzard.ozzmosis.com (203-214-44-104.dyn.iinet.net.au [203.214.44.104]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: relay@ozzmosis.com) by homiemail-a56.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 916576003F20; Tue, 16 May 2017 15:24:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by blizzard.ozzmosis.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A551BB12; Wed, 17 May 2017 08:24:56 +1000 (AEST) Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 08:24:56 +1000 From: andrew clarke To: Aaron Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS root on single SSD? Message-ID: <20170516222456.q3wuwlthgpoup7md@ozzmosis.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170428 (1.8.2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 22:25:12 -0000 On Mon 2017-05-15 22:45:19 UTC-0700, Aaron (drizzt321@gmail.com) wrote: > So, I've been running ZFS root mirror across 2 spinning disks, and I'm > upgrading my home server/nas and planning on running root on a spare SSD. > However, I'm unsure if it'd be better to run UFS as a single drive root > instead of ZFS, although I do love all of the ZFS features (snapshots, COW, > scrubbing, etc) and would still like to keep that for my root drive, even > if I'm not mirroring at all. I do notice that FreeBSD has TRIM support for > ZFS (see http://open-zfs.org/wiki/Features#TRIM_Support). ICYMI, FreeBSD also has TRIM support for UFS. See the -t flag for the newfs command. > So is there a good reason NOT to run ZFS root on a single drive SSD? A good question that I've often wondered about. The first reply at https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?threads/single-drive-zfs.35515/ hints at metadata corruption on a pool located entirely on a single magnetic drive possibly leading to failure of the entire pool, and given the lack of easy to use repair tools for ZFS, would require a rebuild. I think in reality this would be quite rare though, and hopefully wouldn't be a huge issue anyway provided you keep regular backups. Using an SSD might change things a little should the drive begin to fail, but I get the impression modern SSDs tend to fail a bit more gracefully than the old ones. I've no experience here and am interested in any anecdata. Keep in mind you also have other options, such as splitting the drive into separate UFS and ZFS partitions, or creating a ZFS pool from a file on UFS. The latter probably has performance drawbacks, but they might be negated by the performance of the SSD. Regards Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 16 23:00:47 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EFF7D6EC84 for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 23:00:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drizzt321@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ua0-x236.google.com (mail-ua0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42435F1A for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 23:00:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drizzt321@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ua0-x236.google.com with SMTP id e55so109535402uaa.2 for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 16:00:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=MsgqpF9sbyGRbt2WcgaXZM/PUSY4l1hyeGYiycQ0KCw=; b=nzWIYgpaGVT4UtxraQaGa4CDN/M18rwIMj7/ORF7XvxppFbttDK8bTAvwjsal3YRdG jnLWCKRcnU+K+R/VzGtCXzSftUA7JRQl4eSOlp9cn3FBEk1m8rEkMe12A5YRkpIQt+zo RnZYPa3gehGW4GzxHdlrB8xB7MxMcxYs2HElOk3Xoe5Y84+uMB34ias2QmSIFeB3rs8Z 7kuIjJYclcX3P0UlcwtocTZAygR/A5VQwXA/GflKbe1PwK0pa1LSu0Jy7bvTbiaj9q8f owO17CYnjPoikFmzIIpFSiKhiM6dawRYBz5e6t1o7L7hcJlT4LBBTkO+4XCoSkprWKdp yqbQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=MsgqpF9sbyGRbt2WcgaXZM/PUSY4l1hyeGYiycQ0KCw=; b=WQGll+h7WxWkTp6aiTqmBN+3gdLRzwr1JesL12LwcSyeST8XNKSi0xw1Jx9enDRsrA ZU4DT1TD0FJpqgBtv/35ElZHyMPhPIps+XepYJwYKK6JbKAZMaQMP+OL8JdVDdlSY3j0 0fA2OTTdqvM11VsNp4ZcW8FGKrQrqR1jD2A45mq0iUYoealio5FdlJWYBCIVPVgVIC68 SF14iwjLyKbv5fN4DwEBhMHZHI5EuOnTV31vb6pPPNKiOTohowBYU9pVgvpojSX7HmDj XtPG5NU96B/RA/0XAnKX3zkdvnZ4anZlGFU/TvjGkQ0uh12V0R+F/WwrrZe9/KRVar5K E/NA== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcBlWhYiH0NI9jvam+rwRqS8B0nEJLiIGeKSeTpR0smkc+LdR1c2 FUSuZHJM9hM29w1IFN8SvVe2Xlz/lEEgwGI= X-Received: by 10.176.80.162 with SMTP id c31mr193433uaa.25.1494975645932; Tue, 16 May 2017 16:00:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.148.75 with HTTP; Tue, 16 May 2017 16:00:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20170516222456.q3wuwlthgpoup7md@ozzmosis.com> References: <20170516222456.q3wuwlthgpoup7md@ozzmosis.com> From: Aaron Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 16:00:15 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ZFS root on single SSD? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 23:00:47 -0000 --Aaron On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 3:24 PM, andrew clarke wrote: > On Mon 2017-05-15 22:45:19 UTC-0700, Aaron (drizzt321@gmail.com) wrote: > > > So, I've been running ZFS root mirror across 2 spinning disks, and I'm > > upgrading my home server/nas and planning on running root on a spare SSD. > > However, I'm unsure if it'd be better to run UFS as a single drive root > > instead of ZFS, although I do love all of the ZFS features (snapshots, > COW, > > scrubbing, etc) and would still like to keep that for my root drive, even > > if I'm not mirroring at all. I do notice that FreeBSD has TRIM support > for > > ZFS (see http://open-zfs.org/wiki/Features#TRIM_Support). > > ICYMI, FreeBSD also has TRIM support for UFS. See the -t flag for the > newfs command. > Ah, I guess I just assumed UFS had it, I hadn't actually checked. Thanks! > > > So is there a good reason NOT to run ZFS root on a single drive SSD? > > A good question that I've often wondered about. > > The first reply at > > https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?threads/single-drive-zfs.35515/ > > hints at metadata corruption on a pool located entirely on a single > magnetic drive possibly leading to failure of the entire pool, and > given the lack of easy to use repair tools for ZFS, would require a > rebuild. I think in reality this would be quite rare though, and > hopefully wouldn't be a huge issue anyway provided you keep regular > backups. > > Using an SSD might change things a little should the drive begin to > fail, but I get the impression modern SSDs tend to fail a bit more > gracefully than the old ones. I've no experience here and am > interested in any anecdata. > > Keep in mind you also have other options, such as splitting the drive > into separate UFS and ZFS partitions, or creating a ZFS pool from a > file on UFS. The latter probably has performance drawbacks, but they > might be negated by the performance of the SSD. > > Regards > Andrew > I think most modern SSDs have pretty good checks because of how they use MLC/TLC NAND and how it fails. The biggest thing I can think of is a controller/board failure, rather than suddenly having massive number of blocks fail. However, it is a point that without copies=2 (or more) while bit-rot/corruption would be detectable, it wouldn't be possible to re-construct the bad blocks. Side note, copies=2 resiliency test ( http://jrs-s.net/2016/05/09/testing-copies-equals-n-resiliency/), rather interesting, although I probably won't be using it, at least not for an SSD. --Aaron From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 17 01:10:06 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9ABD70F7D for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 01:10:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22a.google.com (mail-wm0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08DF922A for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 01:10:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id v15so686192wmv.1 for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 18:10:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=SleXjYESp1ZuyXfsEHBOz2ImaexAuhUvSp0fjxNKUw8=; b=Kqnq3NzKbi8wlpTP4DamIK9BFhH1MPDVtGPANNa5nRnpLskpG1/BflVGR5Gm0/mRuT yr/XDwyXjgErpF9/gLMLvzjaVJV/o18yl8eLbRZpARzCjfrm7jM/8qS/HxfofoIdAyjQ dz06zKihTOBa4yESPZ40VYIicnz12hLdoifMZ6eaqw/zRAnYYPoPn28D46Ge95xeJdED 6cuTh++RIJ1RjyXtsh8iJR65bezG4EObMn2+9GRct5T4ZLhptlT0oYZJb1B74l3vGN+r RKBAGS7m0qH55ZK6+OaDxBxiI6oOPc0lwAmCJXzwo/nS9u9/Kpc1isxE46iI4v9WZdnp bduA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=SleXjYESp1ZuyXfsEHBOz2ImaexAuhUvSp0fjxNKUw8=; b=FutcyTaKD0WN16zwcgSezk8jYBeXHWOIUN98/0RAsjaGxUQ/lm3v7RgzvDO957wDws 2XfEqk45P+e7vSwqWvoCdLzATBtwzrRIyJHpmW1mVilfV8KukJ0UWWxHdH3IfDSVQQcI Q9sS6OYVUBOvXmoS+Eq6MblUPreQtoVBnYOjiSJbi8ANkZJWTb01kRbQw3CRq7608Opz nM6z3YOXss8ve8NKH1P/tRmKoNMy8LLDKRgWSuZjBDYk3kculF/gA/DWNJtyG66ab2yQ SZTzsIk4UclKdyggNSqBZyDfh9cZfbbZoyTE57Ps0zCLWcFqtgvQYJD1bWeGwWNL+MXa DKVA== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcBgbb5Hkp7mAqQNkWSw8K10B65QqK7IsAV0GjHOkrJaZ4Ea5mb6 wcv2tNVyqQn1Hnx8dBnhEtklgQ9Sjw== X-Received: by 10.28.232.3 with SMTP id f3mr634106wmh.138.1494983403892; Tue, 16 May 2017 18:10:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.136.51 with HTTP; Tue, 16 May 2017 18:10:03 -0700 (PDT) From: David Mehler Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 21:10:03 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: swap_pager on cloud server To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 01:10:06 -0000 Hello, I've got a FreeBSd 10.3 vps. Today it started giving me: swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 249488, size: 16384 When it does this my ssh session becomes unresponsive. The vps service offers out of ban services so that I can have an ssh serial console access. This issue even locks up the console. The only solution is a reboot. I've read that the issue is one of paging and swap not being able to be written to disk. The disks are all virtual I do not believe these disks can go bad so I'm assuming it's software or system configuration. I'd appreciate any suggestions. Thanks. Dave. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 17 01:25:02 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E929D7048C for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 01:25:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x234.google.com (mail-wm0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C873ED8C for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 01:25:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x234.google.com with SMTP id d127so866482wmf.0 for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 18:25:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=c8nPLxm9C/dkVKKeMh00MxplD+H5dKN8fNn5P6bpsQU=; b=fUsPkD5w0ewVdlaN/hYNDJXz1ufY4ZaOX8FnqhT8SJp2G+Py72VaDtaVT85zBIZNzn 8tE7hH9hGUoSnIn+Rs980R1MA+Egjgtn7SsK/jsPjHXz4m3PQ45YjJZ9Th9ht7MKN/w3 tBnSt3CwNqvIJ7HOoIOyzh5Kds1g6WTBxYmXSEsOvFjhlRzJrBR9TH2XPgIbsmqNUVVs ukt1E4EhmKb/XYd/ZsYjII1ORLiTj3NJoeeSfTxUbABa7GZkp+GGcjczBZM8nM1ZFWKf WCEfUk1vs+uovYXNDXNyFRjTEULY9A2bKDduImI1MsCAuaoWwWdPeFkrzXK0xJ1mqAey FJ/g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=c8nPLxm9C/dkVKKeMh00MxplD+H5dKN8fNn5P6bpsQU=; b=P5PC3UxZhXm/5+xzcj1wRaZG1yBzENKyioctTCoxm/0I4uWgDUpdzk0uPsJLBEfVtZ Ik8zqydqdtlmcBgu4peDS0k6sCL5ZcZVDMu8xeRpm/2nZenT11U2RxdcyQYkKzJtNBdf WsfwEHubkWtOSHugkvDSb/DZIZBwm0SRv1D3Gipd+VCHJB/M29mdEK2n6BoUAYedKVIS pHd6kpv2gWOQdmPUiUB9U0iOiVGb3htItvBA0MqSbytyKeaf+MDfDCvuUyYWnnhHPk/t hr0t461GbzV6sQ0Pz/argz7bcCTvjE6ZNLjFAqltlIq+YAuqBU+xvwkFSvV9OlcKBvco 3MKQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcBYMsFkM6h0v4bKeWsyS9n4Yh21GYjJTAk7Z6WoTyRw5lYEfF5w eDsIJoshX1NNIbGopiv1ew/HnrwouptG X-Received: by 10.80.137.155 with SMTP id g27mr952047edg.125.1494984299835; Tue, 16 May 2017 18:24:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.193.17 with HTTP; Tue, 16 May 2017 18:24:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Adam Vande More Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 20:24:59 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: swap_pager on cloud server To: David Mehler Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 01:25:02 -0000 On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 8:10 PM, David Mehler wrote: > Hello, > > I've got a FreeBSd 10.3 vps. Today it started giving me: > > swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 249488, size: 16384 > > When it does this my ssh session becomes unresponsive. The vps service > offers out of ban services so that I can have an ssh serial console > access. This issue even locks up the console. The only solution is a > reboot. > > I've read that the issue is one of paging and swap not being able to > be written to disk. > > The disks are all virtual I do not believe these disks can go bad so > I'm assuming it's software or system configuration. > > I'd appreciate any suggestions. > What is the output of: # swapinfo -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 17 02:30:59 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F119DD6D9D6 for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 02:30:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22a.google.com (mail-wm0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92ECF10F8 for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 02:30:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id b84so150078854wmh.0 for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 19:30:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=SNBGIqwkQlWHBnZt02/XzzH/cDrJErPv4GHIlzmjiL4=; b=Ey7qV02iklfioxLNJcfB8zdbttppnOSFdLRubg+RUWHaNtNsrW/t+ZADUg3ZX9uhya Gy2hRsjMLI8a+FENxrvBoVKRvIp7u5ho1HkSHNG732lyPLtiyW9mtQZg8qIs8dgXG//h c8EaKMF7v1/VK/whuft5FKWdkkVVEbcozbyAV8JIMTvF6rFSqgIFbm3a8S3Qeu/pMhDx oVRMcjFkhm0crZ5H5lx6ykF2quwik8HS1+yQr7GVK0xBUv7gUaKqBhm2lUvmTvaGgTgO qzvm1DtN/+j6iOLaF1fxjUuPR8+zd8QxbRxf9aERKhI/JLIseU00Nz6x6CdWsZkie1wJ VGDw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=SNBGIqwkQlWHBnZt02/XzzH/cDrJErPv4GHIlzmjiL4=; b=JkKSeO+/V2ds4VJzkvhGpc60jrPG0PS8OSTjR69GBpXBJj0ggYjFCXLhdBb7JD/wi0 xmPdG0w64bWVX636aHfwHPmRiuhvdZv45vky5FZeyn+fpv6sgdTtQJmsyOnM4ccYuz7b R3+p4Ag2ar2Rc/66AgMJ1E4facL/qzhe//4iN2h7AlHOFKzhyOUfwzwBC5yWKhfPx3xA dRvYdc1qQpnVnblGQ6lnU1wDqXosLcbGyLO2vbk5f3bOOo4cjnbPCOe3pvywVFZHsBV9 c0L8rJkOPp8D1Tsdf5VIdhg9sJ9oTSqmpeUVuzvJLEAh9RDEDRdmzNM4oJUOXoT6SL3R 555w== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcBJ7dO1hLyEtS3xxV/ESJhaU9bzJy/U+SyFcts+7mInROmdPL9c ky8lC+2apfs+5WG24jheE5SMGpRVjQ== X-Received: by 10.28.185.200 with SMTP id j191mr9602179wmf.48.1494988258036; Tue, 16 May 2017 19:30:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.136.51 with HTTP; Tue, 16 May 2017 19:30:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: David Mehler Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 22:30:57 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: swap_pager on cloud server To: Adam Vande More Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 02:31:00 -0000 Hello, Here's my swapinfo, though it was obtained after a server reboot, it froze up. #swapinfo Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity /dev/md98 1780352 36 1780316 0% /dev/md99 1036216 44 1036172 0% Total 2816568 80 2816488 0% Thanks. Dave. On 5/16/17, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 8:10 PM, David Mehler > wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I've got a FreeBSd 10.3 vps. Today it started giving me: >> >> swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 249488, size: 16384 >> >> When it does this my ssh session becomes unresponsive. The vps service >> offers out of ban services so that I can have an ssh serial console >> access. This issue even locks up the console. The only solution is a >> reboot. >> >> I've read that the issue is one of paging and swap not being able to >> be written to disk. >> >> The disks are all virtual I do not believe these disks can go bad so >> I'm assuming it's software or system configuration. >> >> I'd appreciate any suggestions. >> > > What is the output of: > # swapinfo > > -- > Adam > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 17 02:46:51 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B80AD6DF53 for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 02:46:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x233.google.com (mail-wm0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30CDC1CA0 for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 02:46:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x233.google.com with SMTP id u65so138255721wmu.1 for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 19:46:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RlCf0hQEQuC7x540LTrZkgICcGdS35w/S66HkfnmINU=; b=qy4aWunNdDZV+xfCjAHibGeFekLtzHu/jYkoyhOjW0JIzNBmDPFibxkS4UuGbIeQWI 5EPWXEac1FYx0Dm3M52qiuCZOJOMdi4ORv8XnYstpSkCk9h15tnKmhfVMNMarG9g5Zl1 0GPQsF1IzXPmW3hpRQlKqGbNb0/el9JBxdir+BzHUMb7vxJR/EpXen0tsujqLO3gA3W6 Cs+KJnLAW9DgQIy2L8Zz521XTmDMbUP1KVvX/NJ7Dv5LM6KORO1uQv8dHEEtNi2F79Jh m23JK7qPj3ntqPLE2cFpblBK89Lm51HnG6DjW7gcg6y6JRMmPEXKkHbwclrGwGYv73d/ hoPQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RlCf0hQEQuC7x540LTrZkgICcGdS35w/S66HkfnmINU=; b=Z9+GJceEplcGKzeQABPXq18ZOoRsEvkwx9uzbomNyAX2r4eO9Cqp/pbZ95MgmnqVsJ lxxsPBYx/CV0S+XQ2xsmEoSAl1CV1ZLvvFfhRbTWUXQpkpRsACSgewvcZuz+PtwAeJ4m y5z4yATO9OcTYe2se2SaeRXdS6d7zjGn8gs+IQZI5kDLw+fAw15v9U+aZlih8aqAiTAo RoODvb2OyovLjbcJG3VjvL5pnE/9ci3NxXRMbr+1Cy3jVxDEaQozb6nikuD3fS1iBZJC OuLHmIbdXjLGkHpgl5pEZXhG96rcvBEavx2cif/gmf2gVygBaZu6rbhLUKGazepuUEco qoLQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcADOEtbKGeZQHxRL1BN++ccuwZk1UrJJoKQyp7H+2G2DlQt4ZDr oSqdjQKCAwb0awG9xXwOurXhk44ivQ== X-Received: by 10.80.172.122 with SMTP id w55mr1094727edc.120.1494989208841; Tue, 16 May 2017 19:46:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.193.17 with HTTP; Tue, 16 May 2017 19:46:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Adam Vande More Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 21:46:48 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: swap_pager on cloud server To: David Mehler Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 02:46:51 -0000 On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 9:30 PM, David Mehler wrote: > Hello, > > Here's my swapinfo, though it was obtained after a server reboot, it froze > up. > > #swapinfo > Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity > /dev/md98 1780352 36 1780316 0% > /dev/md99 1036216 44 1036172 0% > Total 2816568 80 2816488 0% > And what is the output of: # mdconfig -lv The short answer though is use a real swap device eg a separate "real" disk or partition. Even having no swap device is better than the above config when under memory pressure. -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 17 02:55:49 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE152D70384 for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 02:55:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x235.google.com (mail-wm0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8428B351 for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 02:55:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x235.google.com with SMTP id b84so150347136wmh.0 for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 19:55:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=YrJMBGXaaoX1LrfYb3Ozv8KvFlILBOinhvTP6YFGyOU=; b=FOJo/hK7uFvQwEq9jWjdSX8WnbG3j+t3zdNNKoeUZrLqGEfDLIUvCSZkJmxmxzQ7zB b2AXxCb9HmyYddSc3S6PTIgk++7CT4uhaTifgO/7eVk5aWy7N442njrMkkLlanDjiy62 cLJCT9ST0LfKkhCMVXjQ25IpiS4nVOhjtM+QII/vKXNk2nCnnW5HGGCh8ABU9X9pd72u RDR/sRyA1ybOgMLM8JRIv4ez69+oTG5/+sFktO1uiYrMlkSNCcSvFOpT4zlVajDNHHxK 8ywvOnfK65JTnTWe/mvYcOknlrhPEznrYX/GuVIgGBoyI5Po9cB0GlDSOn3SGPoAmLKF rPnQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=YrJMBGXaaoX1LrfYb3Ozv8KvFlILBOinhvTP6YFGyOU=; b=bnATZeMjrR4X0LmaFWuoPQCXXSVVRH0wgMkn6vpYL202wsqh6uGqA50L6C5lzhkyhu xKeLiM1akSpRaRS25/0BOjBQGGduKcmfWe9RH2AvjuqFXFq+PQ5kVWVTT2M9wJDuV/Xr yoT13O872dMt1VPzCYYoZY+IqasU73hC2xwMia1F/LZhEiAnfvlr70RAPtDezuEQdedD TaBG3gK//2Sd/4XA6YX9BKvg9YtYDdcKiCA6jHh9yifajivsj11CVaq/5GPkJbuUjUIB GCWNXyiXNMk67ESkKXQKpmLe/zqnnb7pn3eR7L9EKq8ItLbGMxt+8do/2Sj+IAjP41P1 4TzA== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcBImOgZTfGCB98JNs/PXAQxoEv4KkVYSD/1LYgwgBTXjtv746Qf 8UYN/Eq5cCQOAoSiSl1U0W0pulsE2w== X-Received: by 10.28.232.3 with SMTP id f3mr770465wmh.138.1494989747439; Tue, 16 May 2017 19:55:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.136.51 with HTTP; Tue, 16 May 2017 19:55:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: David Mehler Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 22:55:47 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: swap_pager on cloud server To: Adam Vande More Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 02:55:50 -0000 Hello, Here's the mdconfig output: #mdconfig -lv md0 swap 512M md98 vnode 1739M /swapfile1 md99 vnode 1012M /swapfile Any idea why this is freezing? I've not made server changes. Thanks. Dave. On 5/16/17, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 9:30 PM, David Mehler > wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Here's my swapinfo, though it was obtained after a server reboot, it >> froze >> up. >> >> #swapinfo >> Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity >> /dev/md98 1780352 36 1780316 0% >> /dev/md99 1036216 44 1036172 0% >> Total 2816568 80 2816488 0% >> > > And what is the output of: > # mdconfig -lv > > The short answer though is use a real swap device eg a separate "real" disk > or partition. Even having no swap device is better than the above config > when under memory pressure. > > -- > Adam > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 17 10:38:35 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 806ECD6FD88 for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 10:38:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47017187 for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 10:38:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [89.204.130.180] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dAwLe-0002kK-P9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 May 2017 12:38:31 +0200 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id v4HAcSAe024596 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 12:38:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id v4HAcMDZ024562 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 May 2017 12:38:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 12:38:22 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: GnuPG smart card && geli Message-ID: <20170517103822.GB16462@c720-r314251> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="RASg3xLB4tUQ4RcS" Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.0 (2017-02-23) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 89.204.130.180 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 10:38:35 -0000 --RASg3xLB4tUQ4RcS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I'm using gpg2 (from the ports) which supports a so called GnuPG smart card, i.e. the private key is stored in some CCID SIM (the card, which sits in a small USB stick) and access to the private gpg key is secured by a PIN entry, not a passphrase. This works fine and is very secure for using gpg on many hosts because you do not have to pollute all these hosts with your secret key material which could be copied (i.e. stolen) by anyone, for example even IP personal, having priv access to your workspace(s)). gpg2 brings a gpg-agent, to which gpg2 commands communicate, for example 'gpg2 --card-status' and which in turn connects to the daemon /usr/local/sbin/pcscd (as well in ports) which has the communication to special GnuPG-card. All you need is the PIN defined for the card. I use the HID Global OMNIKEY 6121 Smart Card Reader and the GnuPG-card produced here in Germany. On the other hand, the gpg-agent can also substitute the ssh-agent as a dro= pin. One exports the ssh public key for the remote ~/.ssh/authorized_keys with: $ gpg2 --export-ssh-key ID > ssh.pub kills the (old) 'ssh-agent' and starts a 'gpg-agent': $ ssh-agent -k $ gpg2 --card-status (the latter launches as well the gpg-agent) $ unset SSH_AGENT_PID $ unset SSH_AUTH_SOCK $ if [ "${gnupg_SSH_AUTH_SOCK_by:-0}" -ne $$ ]; then export SSH_= AUTH_SOCK=3D"$(gpgconf --list-dirs agent-ssh-socket)"; fi $ env | grep SSH SSH_AUTH_SOCK=3D/home/guru/.gnupg-ccid/S.gpg-agent.ssh Now 'ssh-add -l' will contact not the 'ssh-agent', but the 'gpg-agent': $ ssh-add -l 4096 SHA256:lo2xgyFAnSXz6HNMELNZogJEfyj7XEKZiHIHg+e1DFw cardno:00050000532B= (RSA) and on first access to the key with $ ssh id@remote-server the secret key is needed and 'gpg-agent' uses /usr/local/bin/pinentry or /usr/local/bin/pinentry-qt5 to request the PIN. Further ssh commands find the card already unlocked (until disconnect of the USB stick) and no PIN is needed anymore. So far so good and the same works this way for signing e-mails, etc. What I now want to get is using this too while booting the system which has the root and user partition geli(8) crypted. I.e. boot a mini system =66rom some un-encrypted USB stick which has only /boot, /etc/fstab and enough files to make gpg2, gpg-agent and /usr/local/sbin/pcscd working, including shared libs needed by these. On a very early stage the gpg2 decrypts the keyfile for geli(8) which was encrypted by gpg2 using the public key of the card. Than the rest of the partitions are attached with 'geli attach' using on STDIN the keyfile decrypted on the flight with gpg2. So the unencrypted keyfile is never stored onto the USB boot key. This would lead to a system (netbook) which never can be booted or otherwise data read from and you can only boot it with the USB boot key, the USB GnuPG-card and the PIN (normally 6 digits). Any comments on this? matthias --=20 Matthias Apitz, =E2=9C=89 guru@unixarea.de, =E2=8C=82 http://www.unixarea.d= e/ =E2=98=8E +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub 8. Mai 1945: Wer nicht feiert hat den Krieg verloren. 8 de mayo de 1945: Quien no festeja perdi=C3=B3 la Guerra. May 8, 1945: Who does not celebrate lost the War. --RASg3xLB4tUQ4RcS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEXmn7rBYYViyzy/vBR8z35Hb+nREFAlkcKBYACgkQR8z35Hb+ nRHN1BAAjlH0/cYH1XtY1mfKHgmyKiJTqi9+Sl4eh1Gee6hD965jnnL77wDPzxFz 7aYHsRrsqM5c5zH8ZU5SosjhOuZzzOWEBImRjXEfvkbhuC0cGS5h9TvUSWNK70rQ A5UOHX1ullyKc1UAHPub+IUNJ07STB2nM4XDrVxTUqeeKaiwFbTqUnu3W4CoT6OL p2H17bhx9iLWivOiyv3DNnQmCi8vYt0uDcG8fuUyEtbkUwbpPCjBk0UU8eHRBEIc PBDHNC8us1c/uOMpmChdw68lWuE3istW6SOUUy4axO2x1skrFSq3CfACU/DQLoY+ S6EubCJSxDXl4kb/OjD34PKpH/ZEk6yuyg4kvqSA+EoFN79YM4DVUfPKi+u4ICX5 6WGl1DtQzkKxyxNDNMC3OA1v1U9q50/SACqxuXQjiE8psicCGfYwz+fjcibIW1bQ LGPWjcKAcTSM3bOeBom7FIYBzFVCd3KpNVyaEMZIbRWJNAr2kDPgiWrxLNJeRCxO r19hiLIQzfeUaSeWzD9xFtE5uYcmcOoe9WrJo+Z+s37UBtTrQfZocjwli0n8WeR7 E3H6LMjhLpfiBA7X68VCK7XlvFF8a/0h96EL5FhP01glpZHB92/iv2IBgGyi+HMN ks49jUHdwVIC2sm6TD/9tXRR6BmQNbywmA48HXGVNGUqfspkGdI= =Vkvt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RASg3xLB4tUQ4RcS-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 17 11:01:23 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC6FD71586 for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 11:01:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x233.google.com (mail-wm0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E7A7128F for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 11:01:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x233.google.com with SMTP id 70so5997153wmq.1 for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 04:01:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=mKllwd4hk/zF9EuPODS6xorK+nPA4BQEbjkSESb/zts=; b=VHnBiasg8lKXnPB89nrLRLtgSIljESHPKOAs/TX05Zp3oyBjXxzSPDho/aASO4y4gS LTTC/ErXQqu9roX/qwDFpM/Qp/OreEdyFLIjQKGmiroDfj9iUR2YC/DrLGqXMBKYFVqo Jk+8Sc0tky0LFL/ocH5o41hB4QERyjkdhvg4H73socUZjQITh29eJjqxzLjZd5tvW3nx +sV7aSKquSs1CUSIDbJBecqPF1JYb2vMg02pyhr4LpST4oBEJrYilpYvZpeDT5hDfqHm A3ZEHDCPBbmE5ZWbXjSgfQiUr1Wb3f+n6DF/XCSc0wF8Lrsb4K8qnryOaf/cN8AfRwkH wvVw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=mKllwd4hk/zF9EuPODS6xorK+nPA4BQEbjkSESb/zts=; b=erMJGYbSQ3s44Z4mdDT2gz9dPCq1TVQX3afeMtPX1OBMNC4IHBMDjIZYN2ilztmhuF MAPwKIpBfYwuuZjU0xJWn1au46t+mJRw9CVRFBpsLljDrnpfcMugGJcY1zXp0cFBTYmu zOcwelflmQEetoX4jdkPS8CRLE0cIIPlyFPXkvMH1OGaWVXjEfJbIvkVGtjt7VPYC6Sr nZLYo99wNUo5TC6COwLx7qpA0rZALdwUhN9nvYqsKQOV1BaVSx1e/bg8jFiw7sTNW8Ug nnZ8Ucko7s67lbLpQ1rnoIZCxeBohQlVXKVi7OISXN43kL7aclpoRDu490tp1Cu5zSPJ o5EA== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcA+/ppQDHpvo+wd8U4dvM1XcbS5DmXnDqAOp567Xzh3fA+cYa57 FEbkHn323b/v+wf7o3bXzX/xjp8TIw== X-Received: by 10.80.176.198 with SMTP id j64mr2592211edd.168.1495018881794; Wed, 17 May 2017 04:01:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.193.17 with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2017 04:01:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Adam Vande More Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 06:01:21 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: swap_pager on cloud server To: David Mehler Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 11:01:24 -0000 On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 9:55 PM, David Mehler wrote: > Hello, > > Here's the mdconfig output: > > #mdconfig -lv > md0 swap 512M > md98 vnode 1739M /swapfile1 > md99 vnode 1012M /swapfile > > > Any idea why this is freezing? I've not made server changes. > Yeah it's freezing because it's having swap issues. That's made pretty clear in the error message. If that's the way your VPS provider provisions system by default, I would consider getting another provider. That configuration is doomed to fail under memory pressure. -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 17 14:53:50 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3669D5C152 for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 14:53:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22a.google.com (mail-wm0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A531161C for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 14:53:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id v15so19262556wmv.1 for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 07:53:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=SpyyOZ6Mljub1iTm59XbjbfJ8OK0Vj65aJQSDKj3tKs=; b=L7csRSmbdkqo/vsmnQHccX6Q+v04nrnlEFwBNHf41dnFOFOstccysqu3Z+Ab0iiWjT tca+vJrKE0Y1hQPx2vtT9B+b4+zzM/pCCJRz1RjEayEehLZr3Ql7OVUbb/du9yhz/rl2 8lxHtRKmjy7sB8sz4kbfFrOmiOWiwVy7/nowpacAd8WgLQW+TCqcDkQ5Nlz62AYotxuE N/3vYrkEsmzfl9GE1ZHDUttIuWEpwpb6ByxAW1LFIwp4485xV/e6DyclVViWiW4JlTE8 90takzz7uzkDbfN9PGNqzApIxw3Cqj0K406ETXO/zk0DgF9tDyZF1skWLvHLjOoHBFIm KrLg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=SpyyOZ6Mljub1iTm59XbjbfJ8OK0Vj65aJQSDKj3tKs=; b=gDu8mD0sBI34NWeelP/VpdnSatNACqYnYTbAfT9whR0FobyN5xJE/Ux5c0Uq2LuSLM ijotytgt6bfvGYZ8zxGP6I1lvBHW39+88ZBWgCWJn7pLI93Gxm1oRFw4KRCa0vtIbmQv TkeXxo0IBAOt1NTtimCEx8LMSDzeAsnc6HDosOW/CfXYC5NMqNBvVxY2S8LPTOGY51RA LmYoIwXXVUpDtBzA1hJW3xy/EjeuRpUdGYBr9x7I6Q08E8VR3tUeo2L1h11juN/GwPEy NV86k/3JY7I3m5iyCRRan8Sfc5B71eiOmz7BU928OdK4Crdru1VWaBM8vHVjklgOt00L Fx3A== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcAP/xkUEkXbbJ+X0m2QLZgfUlUEhq5Mh3BeUQ7ADgOA07kwIywh C72L6oYLHlMC0o7xPlYIg8tTIN+a0g== X-Received: by 10.28.232.3 with SMTP id f3mr2606784wmh.138.1495032828430; Wed, 17 May 2017 07:53:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.136.51 with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2017 07:53:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: David Mehler Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 10:53:48 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: swap_pager on cloud server To: Adam Vande More Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 14:53:50 -0000 Hello, So, I should delete the two swap file files. Would that solve the issue? Thanks. Dave. On 5/17/17, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 9:55 PM, David Mehler > wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Here's the mdconfig output: >> >> #mdconfig -lv >> md0 swap 512M >> md98 vnode 1739M /swapfile1 >> md99 vnode 1012M /swapfile >> >> >> Any idea why this is freezing? I've not made server changes. >> > > Yeah it's freezing because it's having swap issues. That's made pretty > clear in the error message. > > If that's the way your VPS provider provisions system by default, I would > consider getting another provider. That configuration is doomed to fail > under memory pressure. > > -- > Adam > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 17 15:09:33 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5E2D5C7FA for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 15:09:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr0-x22f.google.com (mail-wr0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0928D1E1F for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 15:09:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id w50so12975426wrc.0 for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 08:09:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=9m5ZrRWrh/LbeFGhf7+towZmhpCMan/ufzrAPvk6ZdI=; b=GOXA+90MSdShupeqPTfXgbjKhssoRuyIL97rknxHIWfQaKOt3RrcwMk8zx3TFqQyXq 8xZUfP09bLbowfHxwx+ePOdOTD+/o8KLEB1AEv8KR4Lr/6x6DKaP1Ff9TmliMMloQfKs CSCZ+ZdTQRgLzMvBKVoIW1+hE3/hoKSEZrEM+Tcyv+2+cLZfFVEB7Ujc1u6iBFZmaPI8 HLEetZOcXDNfWz1Yp+gBGaGx5N7Y8gJv23cwuiq3waPWdkUfizXoKeZxXspZD9OjdWq1 D0J4keeqZYE+2PFvFvKgjYVhT4ylrwm7t/CaABw2zEBRnIx2tq4dOKVE/OBuF5brFIiz lqLQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9m5ZrRWrh/LbeFGhf7+towZmhpCMan/ufzrAPvk6ZdI=; b=d+Ye1WHOhxXhAgRjDhw9YbeCoA8BgtGBMhDuMF0uSYbn2X9zGPizqfchVEDkwWm+NU DDGwTjOWE+rmGJhJgf2vZisXm0hyMZ+d8N8Wj9f+U1Q98pGbD+v56E/gAZ8R210gSjQx CitnTyj83rA+JlNsDyq390wnP9JFjJrYTEzIn6Qz2dgH6zlWYFfLZK8R026bNNsqVZs5 KBMQcqXn8fu1+Vj6w1j3NAGbhX/ZvlRv3zbfhfHCkjSzjTlr9k65yTxrwk5+xS92nGR0 qpy7J7ghPR11QLCmz3kSCM3/PwXdkHQ5Xe7T5jmK9vq1L3jLTD8HSxvMPjq2DmuFD9cb kksQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcD3+2wsWYxGbvPSNBMq7OSNjn5Pd7sxjpzZgTPvwVpI6RbA2iON bjYgElXh6xZiXNBNrc7/HXqZ3VLEaQ== X-Received: by 10.80.151.185 with SMTP id e54mr3522617edb.61.1495033769845; Wed, 17 May 2017 08:09:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.193.17 with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2017 08:09:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Adam Vande More Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 10:09:29 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: swap_pager on cloud server To: David Mehler Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 15:09:33 -0000 On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 9:53 AM, David Mehler wrote: > Hello, > > So, I should delete the two swap file files. Would that solve the issue? > > Thanks. > Dave. > > If it was me I would remove the devices from swap, destroy the devices, eliminate anything that is generating that setup, add a small swap backed by a real device. That would solve your swap issue. As to what other issues your provider has gifted you with, who can say. -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 17 15:19:18 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367C0D5CB5D for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 15:19:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr0-x232.google.com (mail-wr0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE0A26EA for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 15:19:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr0-x232.google.com with SMTP id z52so13270001wrc.2 for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 08:19:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=tUUYsJufAgtVho2uw+x+olU3mI1qyDPNgQCvTcbM5AY=; b=Ecfv668c1J4uObsVsJuke7GoKL0hj0KtlVJhzCjxKvo86F20TCvScvQADSKkvdDFiT lmMQiobPrq7LN037kY0fGr0u+zEDxAZ0XpQcMDL8mxvDCFk81Yq75wNKkXB0FpEC/Xg7 XRj2oftZqG1d8tiefGjSFlkFTb50fBTDFtYn13vUKkLwsMAZGvFUBW7wE8mX7oFnGlBI 88FLEkpbliz1y93ebcD+OtCTplA2yYjUP1tevrtl2PL1jAJHqwbara6427+/vaCWMJEg jOmfj8+Np2OjWoNiBjQrTYuo63S9sdzvGAojXqneA9POd6erX4jJz8Q2mB9teyq5CzhY daVg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=tUUYsJufAgtVho2uw+x+olU3mI1qyDPNgQCvTcbM5AY=; b=JEiBJrbFMieF0sTHKwY31BfdHySQEKW6XPqyyxoOwD9eXCfCHZ/heP406nMPu0GKv6 wzw9QeI8K3sIpt417KN1rP+YGu2mcpYEfCscj7wH0bSA2RQu+HJ/99N8CieScl5EWeKG JiWwB8pBE40OWgWMEu8FKfCGYGt/CD3j/0SUHDhZrLFRUOaif7ni5fSt49HkLxHbbYZB t89HjuXXEyTo/UoxJCqyEZFEJxN9yYpfZjsJWdzHSg//+QecJXMuox/wcTmKeknMLFPH 0eyCIWMYdmS/0wWmz8i6d7m3fqFnKurKaoyWk1DzaEu3GY1oWMHLzZX7muWGT0LaGzSH Mc2Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcC6qTodC7AYWGMLxLpZD6uqI/qXsLE41ggKSSeeKdpeo+lD6Bim rxcF5VSdKGNxederou+SamD6VSXqGg== X-Received: by 10.223.134.46 with SMTP id 43mr3137264wrv.123.1495034356127; Wed, 17 May 2017 08:19:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.136.51 with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2017 08:19:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: David Mehler Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 11:19:15 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: swap_pager on cloud server To: Adam Vande More Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 15:19:18 -0000 Hello, Is the md0 a swap partition or is it anothe vnode device? Thanks. Dave. On 5/17/17, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 9:53 AM, David Mehler > wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> So, I should delete the two swap file files. Would that solve the issue? >> >> Thanks. >> Dave. >> >> > If it was me I would remove the devices from swap, destroy the devices, > eliminate anything that is generating that setup, add a small swap backed > by a real device. > > That would solve your swap issue. As to what other issues your provider > has gifted you with, who can say. > > -- > Adam > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 17 15:26:17 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D64AD5CE5B for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 15:26:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22b.google.com (mail-wm0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21488B7F for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 15:26:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id v15so20346108wmv.1 for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 08:26:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=NZJuYc1BcWdIr5QKQfqkhoixTB4JjnoyfM/oyqj2NXk=; b=iXxeTYcs+w3zmCJsnWNmW7PUaQeMle4ZIg/jUD2WTV7XDTuwJgPXJ3Km39oiKs72s6 W+szYlzYmJTx0lPP9J1iDHeUt8sjwlRSLrvSXyPRaD7vn8Cyoh6DKBMEgOwLrSMDrYL4 2SeYE9G/ohn/2InjrnSZr/46RKbKZWm8JuCfbFoMxNckxeptKOs6GrWZ5ygCCVT/48pc ep9bblY143dzFEMfNttg7NktLSsEqMfhicQ4VeRXhSj8s3ARUXCNc4Ym7oav5KTPgOaU qhqvWR8Z0N8COU2acOfdJje/pz03ZW9pb1PnXcIFC08MCqEIvFDtgj9xZ6pETyio/OXY scmQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=NZJuYc1BcWdIr5QKQfqkhoixTB4JjnoyfM/oyqj2NXk=; b=SUlqQEyB7WkPDqwlF4bPMAr2WpIFN5svP4whSjhEyH5OEESIBateEOma0Wn4rpM2cW e2CMLne0//9SPvolc4rP2IGTD8fUHgwLt7/kXoI0VRYMZbHD39nzc5vpxZsAR/XMRYs8 ZjAteczpQg9yAS2EedydI+2KVxG8ROVflo/X7QDl9g+DuNN396XVFYW1/QN1PtkMPTVm iF6Mz7ifDLMsF/mWxVNsVqHSbkQrCdanLJwNe+2fYABLYib0RqkiJDUC9QJuW5lCtBGU 4djhXzEp6YIz4IQR49r6Zbk4dr5tRi3ACY09vD6laBvm4HnOhvx0+mkfRNwJSNH3NH3r Vt/w== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcA7CJb4TSFEJAZkcsR8qrsVeaO01/vl2NapUsG5TWy5oGee12Uq GEC2zX5oX4VQdIqwmakehuwCyewF4w== X-Received: by 10.80.177.8 with SMTP id k8mr3477724edd.4.1495034775279; Wed, 17 May 2017 08:26:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.193.17 with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2017 08:26:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Adam Vande More Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 10:26:14 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: swap_pager on cloud server To: David Mehler Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 15:26:17 -0000 On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 10:19 AM, David Mehler wrote: > Hello, > > Is the md0 a swap partition or is it anothe vnode device? > > It's not a swap partition but needs to be removed because it's backed by swap. If you attempt to remove the other two without removing it first it will fail. man mdconfig -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 17 22:58:05 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE19D711E0; Wed, 17 May 2017 22:58:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F19BE271; Wed, 17 May 2017 22:58:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with local (Exim 4.89 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1dB7sc-000Pe0-Ta; Wed, 17 May 2017 16:57:18 -0600 Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 16:57:18 -0600 From: The Doctor To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Small kernel? Message-ID: <20170517225718.GA98215@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.2 (2017-04-18) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 22:58:05 -0000 All right I am running 2 quad core 1.7MHz Xeon and 16 GB ECC RAM. Stuff like openjdk7 / openjdk8 / Webitgtk is taking huge amount of memory to compile and soetimes the process stop and is incomplete. Any pointers to rectify this issue? -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism UK Stop Theresa MAy MT V2 and Impotent Corbyn, Vote Farron and LDEm!! 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[24.91.139.206]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r26sm2433506qta.0.2017.05.17.16.00.10 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 17 May 2017 16:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: tyler@tysdomain.com Subject: Re: Small kernel? References: <20170517225718.GA98215@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> To: The Doctor , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Littlefield, Tyler" Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 19:00:08 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170517225718.GA98215@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 23:00:13 -0000 On 5/17/2017 6:57 PM, The Doctor wrote: All right I am running 2 quad core 1.7MHz Xeon and 16 GB ECC RAM. Stuff like openjdk7 / openjdk8 / Webitgtk is taking huge amount of memory to compile and soetimes the process stop and is incomplete. Any pointers to rectify this issue? Snipping the basketcase signature as well... But try not using all cores to build in parallel. The more compilation units being built at the same time, the more memory. HTH, -- Take Care, Tyler Littlefield Tyler Littlefield Consulting: website development and business solutions. My personal site My Linkedin @Sorressean on Twitter From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 17 23:26:01 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D67D71C95; Wed, 17 May 2017 23:26:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0724141E; Wed, 17 May 2017 23:26:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with local (Exim 4.89 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1dB8K6-0000rr-4L; Wed, 17 May 2017 17:25:42 -0600 Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 17:25:42 -0600 From: The Doctor To: "Littlefield, Tyler" Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Small kernel? Message-ID: <20170517232542.GA2996@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> References: <20170517225718.GA98215@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.2 (2017-04-18) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 23:26:01 -0000 On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 07:00:08PM -0400, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: > On 5/17/2017 6:57 PM, The Doctor wrote: > > All right > > I am running 2 quad core 1.7MHz Xeon and 16 GB ECC RAM. > > Stuff like openjdk7 / openjdk8 / Webitgtk is > taking huge amount of memory to compile > > and soetimes the process stop and is incomplete. > > Any pointers to rectify this issue? > > Snipping the basketcase signature as well... But try not using all cores to build in parallel. The more compilation units being built at the same time, the more memory. > HTH, > > > All right in /etc/make.conf how do you tell not to build in parallel? > > -- > > Take Care, > Tyler Littlefield > > Tyler Littlefield Consulting: website development and business > solutions. My personal site > My Linkedin > @Sorressean on Twitter > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism UK Stop Theresa MAy MT V2 and Impotent Corbyn, Vote Farron and LDEm!! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 17 23:29:39 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B47D71E58 for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 23:29:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonc@chen.org.nz) Received: from mail-qk0-x233.google.com (mail-qk0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 506981649 for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 23:29:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonc@chen.org.nz) Received: by mail-qk0-x233.google.com with SMTP id a72so23223530qkj.2 for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 16:29:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=chen-org-nz.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Mw5zNTwcq+P4gW19TTomkObqns7gJKQuIz88WfLKAiY=; b=HA5xhtxVjafMvTpFKKx9uxtbEZ7O+7Yd543sxfrRr6xTM8zroAvd7WJD59R0I3jBCd zMiOisFxBBnTvaPLxHmqUEq2AocigQZVULc9E8aj7DDihiqUcIO/xqTDRwMwzsvgQMgN FouUFauxsnR6AReQcsbT7uS6RzzF/2CgNNkiKlSdHMiLvK9YT6r4QS1W70jdeTvrZ/bW 5+BjmChOKrOg1At+z8jIyLLB4+IsDJ4+W/vT40KTo+yQJha4+SDM0HnmevHRz+6Xt7eP yeEWzrqdHISjRlWYg0tVqpSpXFbJnsnlg9gHhr6FUFfzkXR39Wjk8q0onsOdd2qkqjii E6WA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Mw5zNTwcq+P4gW19TTomkObqns7gJKQuIz88WfLKAiY=; b=lQG0eFOTyeaYqQxL2G4XuOl+QyHzZlehimfs5kMqbbmcFtypnWzT/LmSpEkIM/ifHr Io7PjuAJnAq06/7DRDYLapJME2VpMyZxRAuvr85nHg9caSyqC4bURcFQifCfPrEihfvA Nmdv5ZPQE52mL/9YBPscEbO0UFRuI4R9FYNp3/zJLXVuEgjtP1FN5jv9cJvXxPzRgpl9 Z3AjIcgyIGVFuACSX9ir0JnhkwXRe6hN06b6aRotx6nSr/mTIFIo5G3LprOhVQaBRUmT ewiq+jRytJXDZFrT0QE46u5XeZM56owG4g3wyK3qVOMrfstIDff72ExKPOsIEqhARDJI VyOA== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcC4ZSNuc3EzhZftu8MeHcRrTGkqGKW3p5s2oXjjMZNMIyXAMdgp SnNpz7a9IcBS9O8nhAcl6Y6mlPJvE9Sn X-Received: by 10.55.39.148 with SMTP id n142mr1146000qkn.223.1495063778481; Wed, 17 May 2017 16:29:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.108.102 with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2017 16:29:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [101.53.206.172] In-Reply-To: <20170517232542.GA2996@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> References: <20170517225718.GA98215@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> <20170517232542.GA2996@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> From: Jonathan Chen Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 11:29:38 +1200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Small kernel? To: The Doctor Cc: "Littlefield, Tyler" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 23:29:39 -0000 On 18 May 2017 at 11:25, The Doctor wrote: [...] > > All right in /etc/make.conf how do you tell > not to build in parallel? Add: MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER=1 Cheers. -- Jonathan Chen From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 17 23:55:02 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4008DD71556; Wed, 17 May 2017 23:55:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AC6432C; Wed, 17 May 2017 23:55:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with local (Exim 4.89 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1dB8mB-0002PY-V3; Wed, 17 May 2017 17:54:43 -0600 Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 17:54:43 -0600 From: The Doctor To: Jonathan Chen Cc: "Littlefield, Tyler" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Small kernel? Message-ID: <20170517235443.GA9088@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> References: <20170517225718.GA98215@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> <20170517232542.GA2996@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.2 (2017-04-18) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 23:55:02 -0000 On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 11:29:38AM +1200, Jonathan Chen wrote: > On 18 May 2017 at 11:25, The Doctor wrote: > [...] > > > > All right in /etc/make.conf how do you tell > > not to build in parallel? > > Add: > MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER=1 > Just did. > Cheers. > -- > Jonathan Chen > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism UK Stop Theresa MAy MT V2 and Impotent Corbyn, Vote Farron and LDEm!! 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Thu, 18 May 2017 03:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by blizzard.ozzmosis.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EE358D82; Thu, 18 May 2017 20:26:29 +1000 (AEST) Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 20:26:29 +1000 From: andrew clarke To: Aaron Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS root on single SSD? Message-ID: <20170518102629.jtdoihm7aw2a5jjt@ozzmosis.com> References: <20170516222456.q3wuwlthgpoup7md@ozzmosis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170428 (1.8.2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 10:26:39 -0000 On Tue 2017-05-16 16:00:15 UTC-0700, Aaron (drizzt321@gmail.com) wrote: > I think most modern SSDs have pretty good checks because of how they use > MLC/TLC NAND and how it fails. The biggest thing I can think of is a > controller/board failure, rather than suddenly having massive number of > blocks fail. However, it is a point that without copies=2 (or more) while > bit-rot/corruption would be detectable, it wouldn't be possible to > re-construct the bad blocks. Hmm, yes. How likely is a controller board failure, though? No more likely than a HDD controller failure, I'd have thought. > Side note, copies=2 resiliency test ( > http://jrs-s.net/2016/05/09/testing-copies-equals-n-resiliency/), rather > interesting, although I probably won't be using it, at least not for an SSD. Ah, this is something I was wanting to experiment with for a few years but never got around to it. The only difference was I would've written the file corruption program in Python! :-) Good stuff. Regards Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 18 12:05:08 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E573FD739C3 for ; Thu, 18 May 2017 12:05:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qt0-x232.google.com (mail-qt0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A24F412B0 for ; Thu, 18 May 2017 12:05:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qt0-x232.google.com with SMTP id f55so31842749qta.3 for ; Thu, 18 May 2017 05:05:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=elkPEPLcZFySQhXLxx+nuCWqmtdmowJA4bTQQ0I1Uk0=; b=Yv2DNI+TSbpdviKd1xjt+cOQII/8lyRRGL2ci9wX7qXJTcgby4kOWd6nemOa3Bulua hUcpPAUbsLJM7v1H2mJcUSOH2wmZe1WwOn2QbV2PerwA0ALl/fX1QvUN/kmQiI2G9k3h Ktzt3HZouxo9O7kDkDl85CC+EZQaFOgZD/EbZtSNFTFKSd6EX7d96CpnDmAiTTW277c0 SdmcOtuXpYEtejbh/NmkBkly2p3P/r01iAwLXvzuTK2GZASeFCjXv123pURxmEfcF1cN Y+J5coBwYcHr5ZvzSuLFREejGPnIUIRrMliZE/ms1N/gMke9B6uByrvw1HTT6LqFCoQe yicw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=elkPEPLcZFySQhXLxx+nuCWqmtdmowJA4bTQQ0I1Uk0=; b=HHHxwaMJDGz+hp7zGF5rDJkS4jSwvy1Cx4qMTHTVKk3CdXJt2WKf3cFK8KaEDNxb1R d4X1juFjehEyKLi8Fklba29roVWMPxmQqXnYmnZ1czZqP9UAM1txVJLWPGEMVBNCpAiv DsTjdenvsfs/xjPpTSGS6FuSn3sdnoBUb6qTCDUAYkKd7nvMesuG/CPL655NuewKjsGA uVh895+G3xZ8Zpg1p3qjg6jCLz5Z6VnRsQKETcInn7bRG9IjbYxOd44y4bUotB1gdmBS NUu1t0+szxQqVgyGNuuTIaoiULaLHXYBj81zSN2wiFhh4n/kUZlClxxYtffnUZyeQ774 rBvg== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcAiDo3PlCCpk0XV84uMF1BisVlkIrHCeaxpmu9arr+Yy1tBOoqC QB+Ibs4zzbo9cTIZDiNxiCtRoaZLrA== X-Received: by 10.237.53.23 with SMTP id a23mr3336458qte.171.1495109107646; Thu, 18 May 2017 05:05:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.135.167 with HTTP; Thu, 18 May 2017 05:05:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: krad Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 13:05:07 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ZFS root on single SSD? To: Aaron Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 12:05:09 -0000 The big question is what availability do you need on this server? As its a home system I guess not as much as say an enterprise one. Therefore I would imagine all the benefits of manageability that come with zfs will out weigh the downside, even if running on a single volume. Boot environments are a really big thing to safe guard yourself during upgrade time. Although in theory you could do something with ufs its never going to be as good as with zfs. Also remember mirroring isnt backup, mirroring is about availability. Therefore live with a single drive, but backup the contents regularly. On 16 May 2017 at 06:45, Aaron wrote: > So, I've been running ZFS root mirror across 2 spinning disks, and I'm > upgrading my home server/nas and planning on running root on a spare SSD. > However, I'm unsure if it'd be better to run UFS as a single drive root > instead of ZFS, although I do love all of the ZFS features (snapshots, COW, > scrubbing, etc) and would still like to keep that for my root drive, even > if I'm not mirroring at all. I do notice that FreeBSD has TRIM support for > ZFS (see http://open-zfs.org/wiki/Features#TRIM_Support). > > So is there a good reason NOT to run ZFS root on a single drive SSD? > > --Aaron > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 18 16:44:03 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB80BD725B6 for ; Thu, 18 May 2017 16:44:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rose.merline@infodigitaldata.com) Received: from IND01-MA1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-ma1ind01on0109.outbound.protection.outlook.com [104.47.100.109]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "Microsoft IT SSL SHA2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D12EE09 for ; 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If you attempt to remove the other two without removing it first it > will fail. > > man mdconfig > Good evening. Sorry for the late chime in, but I too had been having this issue. My VPS was on a Xen HVM, which had issues with vimage/vnet (server crashed every time I added epair devices to bridge), so they removed the Xen layer and i am now using em0 device for networking. However, from time to time the system shows symptoms similar to what OP described (I have a screenshot of the KVM console in the browser, which I can post if anyone is interested). My system is not on md device -- they are on ada device, and I have twice the size of RAM as swap space. What I have found to be more confusing, even though this particular VPS in London is supposed to have better spec than my very old VPS in Texas, the Texan one (FreeBSD 9.x, several jails but not in VNET) performs much better and is more resilient on resources than the FreeBSD 11.x VNET jails in London. Like the OP, I have to occasionally reset the server just to get my services back (including SSH). If you need me to run further tests or need more information, please let me know and I'll try my best to provide. 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Brad Brad Salai (585) 708-9235 Bsalai@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 19 03:43:08 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94436D74BDA for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 03:43:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byond.lenox@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-f49.google.com (mail-wm0-f49.google.com [74.125.82.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32AB7158C for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 03:43:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byond.lenox@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-f49.google.com with SMTP id d127so72580173wmf.0 for ; Thu, 18 May 2017 20:43:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=1r++Fico7gp5A7Yjlxd8b5yrvt+kLkWJZOJv7BAiJZc=; b=jDUXchv829AHd6QwQ1G10yBUqNm+QC8+Jk3GDWqM9v1BttRGLCcCMNVp+0no4oFx0Z 8UU9lGIXmsxzicvku16Z7t0GVRdk3EYfqQh80bBhITOqKBI9h33TvE20W4Nfpx+FetGS 1GF67YycaG0N2YGWGi+joqZWAy/KHfW3ytTuuoG6ttHpHvOIoetBHZUwQuMZPg+xcgq4 srCsAD5tAggeZZj4Sys4qdh82TydM+SZBVskTLeN/9CsV2t0o4rOGJnIlarfilTukULm YOo+LXVKQsyCINNlbgzHII9Uew8WxE6U50F2c4EY8E+dy02AFKTZ7nucQ4LzqLzUIinu 1KHg== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcBqeLx0It4G9DUb8w9eYU1tRT4t2XiqBNXf+vTwrQ+/8H41GRYb BTcu6Jf+CcAaKg== X-Received: by 10.28.153.143 with SMTP id b137mr5308194wme.15.1495165070604; Thu, 18 May 2017 20:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-f51.google.com (mail-wm0-f51.google.com. [74.125.82.51]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 43sm1391643wrx.26.2017.05.18.20.37.50 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 18 May 2017 20:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 70so66854590wmq.1 for ; Thu, 18 May 2017 20:37:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.28.105.204 with SMTP id z73mr4600387wmh.33.1495165069842; Thu, 18 May 2017 20:37:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.63.134 with HTTP; Thu, 18 May 2017 20:37:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5070A4D6-BB0D-423E-8CE4-92C501D78AE7@gmail.com> References: <5070A4D6-BB0D-423E-8CE4-92C501D78AE7@gmail.com> From: Kyle Evans Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 22:37:29 -0500 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: ESP8266 with Arduino IDE To: Brad Salai Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 03:43:08 -0000 On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Brad Salai wrote: > I installed the Arduino 1.6.12 package on FreeBSD 11. The install went > fine. I added the appropriate URL to the preferences dialog, but the "Board > Manager" doesn't appear at the top of Board pop up menu. Has anyone solved > this? > Brad > > My apologies, I meant to CC the list originally. An explanation, for anyone else curious: I actually explicitly patch out the board manager because it won't necessarily function the way you would expect it to on other platforms since it downloads not only the core but platform-specific tools, and FreeBSD isn't officially supported upstream. Brad indicated to me off-list that he's wishing to use an ESP8266/NodeMCU board- this is a WIP at the moment now that I have a unit to test with. Obstacles in the form of binutils strangeness and life have gotten in the way since I received the unit, but work is resuming on this and I hope to have an esp8266 toolchain worked out fairly soon. Thanks, Kyle Evans From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 19 14:19:17 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1663D744FF for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 14:19:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mfv@bway.net) Received: from smtp2.bway.net (smtp2.v6.bway.net [IPv6:2607:d300:1::28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95D4CF0D for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 14:19:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mfv@bway.net) Received: from gecko4 (host-216-220-115-148.dsl.bway.net [216.220.115.148]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m1316v@bway.net) by smtp2.bway.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BFD6E95876; Fri, 19 May 2017 10:19:08 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bway.net; s=mail; t=1495203549; bh=BA3j5npgZgp1rjctkYyw+80mDC34daCOMUuoJ2gdmPw=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To; b=UV6Lh/HFeugvnFxV1GtlHbprTJr74+gmUbuWpcmygSFYqpLW/vlNPy3p2sGzSVlTT H9OsT5jttS9bo2cGMUP0og7jo7E1zpMfPQwUe6/fivXc1RsQpzxOa15JrIG93ljIWd IO01L48+EI3/7OJ6Fj0ABdTKv5RYnTe2Lyls+bo8= Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 10:19:06 -0400 From: mfv To: Matthias Apitz Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GnuPG smart card && geli Message-ID: <20170519101806.1674fda0@gecko4> In-Reply-To: <20170517103822.GB16462@c720-r314251> References: <20170517103822.GB16462@c720-r314251> Reply-To: mfv@bway.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 14:19:17 -0000 > On Wed, 2017-05-17 at 12:38 Matthias Apitz wrote: > >Hello, > >I'm using gpg2 (from the ports) which supports a so called GnuPG smart >card, i.e. the private key is stored in some CCID SIM (the card, which >sits in a small USB stick) and access to the private gpg key is secured >by a PIN entry, not a passphrase. This works fine and is very secure >for using gpg on many hosts because you do not have to pollute all >these hosts with your secret key material which could be copied (i.e. >stolen) by anyone, for example even IP personal, having priv access to >your workspace(s)). > >gpg2 brings a gpg-agent, to which gpg2 commands communicate, for >example 'gpg2 --card-status' and which in turn connects to the daemon >/usr/local/sbin/pcscd (as well in ports) which has the communication to >special GnuPG-card. All you need is the PIN defined for the card. > >I use the HID Global OMNIKEY 6121 Smart Card Reader and the GnuPG-card >produced here in Germany. > >On the other hand, the gpg-agent can also substitute the ssh-agent as >a dropin. One exports the ssh public key for the remote >~/.ssh/authorized_keys with: > >$ gpg2 --export-ssh-key ID > ssh.pub > >kills the (old) 'ssh-agent' and starts a 'gpg-agent': > >$ ssh-agent -k >$ gpg2 --card-status >(the latter launches as well the gpg-agent) > >$ unset SSH_AGENT_PID >$ unset SSH_AUTH_SOCK >$ if [ "${gnupg_SSH_AUTH_SOCK_by:-0}" -ne $$ ]; then export >SSH_AUTH_SOCK="$(gpgconf --list-dirs agent-ssh-socket)"; fi $ >env | grep SSH SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/home/guru/.gnupg-ccid/S.gpg-agent.ssh > >Now 'ssh-add -l' will contact not the 'ssh-agent', but the 'gpg-agent': > >$ ssh-add -l >4096 SHA256:lo2xgyFAnSXz6HNMELNZogJEfyj7XEKZiHIHg+e1DFw >cardno:00050000532B (RSA) > >and on first access to the key with > >$ ssh id@remote-server > >the secret key is needed and 'gpg-agent' uses /usr/local/bin/pinentry >or /usr/local/bin/pinentry-qt5 to request the PIN. Further ssh commands >find the card already unlocked (until disconnect of the USB stick) and >no PIN is needed anymore. > >So far so good and the same works this way for signing e-mails, etc. > >What I now want to get is using this too while booting the system which >has the root and user partition geli(8) crypted. I.e. boot a mini >system from some un-encrypted USB stick which has >only /boot, /etc/fstab and enough files to make gpg2, gpg-agent >and /usr/local/sbin/pcscd working, including shared libs needed by >these. On a very early stage the gpg2 decrypts the keyfile for geli(8) >which was encrypted by gpg2 using the public key of the card. Than the >rest of the partitions are attached with 'geli attach' using on STDIN >the keyfile decrypted on the flight with gpg2. So the unencrypted >keyfile is never stored onto the USB boot key. > >This would lead to a system (netbook) which never can be booted or >otherwise data read from and you can only boot it with the USB boot >key, the USB GnuPG-card and the PIN (normally 6 digits). > >Any comments on this? > > matthias > Hello Matthias, I agree with your idea. Some time ago I did some research to find out a method to read the password from a USB memory stick but was not successful. I was not concerned with disk encryption, just wanted a very long password, automatic login and no system access without a hardware key. Do not know if the situation has changed and do not know the serious downsides of this approach. Clearly, the addition of disk encryption would make systems, especially laptops, even more secure. Perhaps a compromise would be to encrypt a /home partition and use the card reader for access. Cheers ... Marek From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 19 15:14:23 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1620D7384B for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 15:14:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wr0-x242.google.com (mail-wr0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FACA128B for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 15:14:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wr0-x242.google.com with SMTP id w50so3269495wrc.0 for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 08:14:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=C+PljaU8+oBS06v2/pbqhXfCoEczg0blsIlUU8pg35M=; b=XrNL1MfP6SlFvILq+VR5tcTYAqsn+IYlPdW5cr/A6yRWeIy8XVznTala3kdap1eHc6 Dz9GjEdq7Svj9fKsFq+eqmh8l7Pqc/YIQpjVmNM/motM23+0CvhJptJAtRZywYeUuWII sxs1SmE3m9NRCH+WUF6acI5YhJy9aoXnnY8D/Qab3ilrHtJkPDZiJmrNKx3AuW5gaVvW ELGcWKu0eDnKYTOk+9/moEZD4XPJg5cYvexL0XEOZ4bPs+SxULboHmeRFAnT4prROWCI OpAYR7/3KagOUTAf7V3r4gaALHrdKQQI9EaEiBICf9FgjLEQqLf64J4DSauT8TGr9SSt 76BQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=C+PljaU8+oBS06v2/pbqhXfCoEczg0blsIlUU8pg35M=; b=WLA/v+7Ek+hIfdil0nAIK6PDXD/vZ5xivBHQ30+aNGdX7HYv52QItQx4iZCcI8OLBS kE0vxnZAnjJ4OiVAkUUuufmdL96OslAV+vgo3tZ9eKQKdDOW0U8G0i33Sqd1mVrZZq5m G2tzJC8Q4/HFVKLi2f2AKCMbcrGtuV7Oa8yhYjbxk3+H4zUobWS7GalUwtFsEEXCZZoq fvuDkBmolHCheVHO7+3QyViE7X+ozvbp3VzP/a94PTzz1d9gKr+er1swEcOwf3Ia3VF5 m3p9Vg3ZzQH9QWJ480UfEU9AXibIjy+CTEK6hvsdrWsGyrg2jzghkNIHOdPyxMBjhbrr 9mwA== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcAsZat9u0BmrDDtrDMKVrK0HijKREMRsduwMAsBKXhqVRqv0U0A DOuRbbQQuCFbJ10E X-Received: by 10.223.128.203 with SMTP id 69mr3105518wrl.129.1495206860830; Fri, 19 May 2017 08:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([81.17.24.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 137sm9998711wmi.19.2017.05.19.08.14.18 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 19 May 2017 08:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 16:14:16 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GnuPG smart card && geli Message-ID: <20170519161416.68df0fc8@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20170519101806.1674fda0@gecko4> References: <20170517103822.GB16462@c720-r314251> <20170519101806.1674fda0@gecko4> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 15:14:23 -0000 On Fri, 19 May 2017 10:19:06 -0400 mfv via freebsd-questions wrote: > >This would lead to a system (netbook) which never can be booted or > >otherwise data read from and you can only boot it with the USB boot > >key, the USB GnuPG-card and the PIN (normally 6 digits). 6 digits doesn't sound very secure. > >Any comments on this? > > > > matthias > > > > Hello Matthias, > > I agree with your idea. Some time ago I did some research to find out > a method to read the password from a USB memory stick but was not > successful. I was not concerned with disk encryption, just wanted a > very long password, automatic login and no system access without a > hardware key. A geli device can be set-up to use a passphrase and/or a passfile. You could just put the passfile on a memory stick and not use a passphrase at all. FWIW I use a passfile to attach geli encrypted partitions, but the passfile is stored in a small geli encrypted file-backed md device that's passphrase protected. I did this just to avoid having to type any more than I need to, but that backing file could just as easily be on a memory stick. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 19 15:25:57 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA77D73BF1 for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 15:25:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83B4F189E for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 15:25:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [88.217.98.249] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dBjml-0003pT-S2 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 May 2017 17:25:48 +0200 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id v4JFPkS5002339 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 17:25:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id v4JFPkkI002338 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 May 2017 17:25:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 17:25:46 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GnuPG smart card && geli Message-ID: <20170519152546.GB2249@c720-r314251> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20170517103822.GB16462@c720-r314251> <20170519101806.1674fda0@gecko4> <20170519161416.68df0fc8@gumby.homeunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <20170519161416.68df0fc8@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.0 (2017-02-23) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 88.217.98.249 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 15:25:57 -0000 El d=C3=ADa viernes, mayo 19, 2017 a las 04:14:16p. m. +0100, RW via freebs= d-questions escribi=C3=B3: > On Fri, 19 May 2017 10:19:06 -0400 > mfv via freebsd-questions wrote: >=20 >=20 > > >This would lead to a system (netbook) which never can be booted or > > >otherwise data read from and you can only boot it with the USB boot > > >key, the USB GnuPG-card and the PIN (normally 6 digits). >=20 >=20 > 6 digits doesn't sound very secure. You can use as may digits you want (and can remember). Already 6 is *very* secure because you have only 3 time to guess the right one, i.e. no brute force. >=20 > > >Any comments on this? > > > > > > matthias > > > =20 > >=20 > > Hello Matthias, > >=20 > > I agree with your idea. Some time ago I did some research to find out > > a method to read the password from a USB memory stick but was not > > successful. I was not concerned with disk encryption, just wanted a > > very long password, automatic login and no system access without a > > hardware key. =20 >=20 > A geli device can be set-up to use a passphrase and/or a passfile. You > could just put the passfile on a memory stick and not use > a passphrase at all. *This* is very insecure when the key gets stolen or copied (i.e. you may even not know that someone all the time can enter in your system). When the GnuPG stick gets stolen, it is useless for attackers due to missing PIN. > FWIW I use a passfile to attach geli encrypted partitions, but the > passfile is stored in a small geli encrypted file-backed md device > that's passphrase protected. I did this just to avoid having to type any > more than I need to, but that backing file could just as easily be on a > memory stick. =20 Yes, and can be opened with brute force attacks, depending on the key length and the computing power. matthias --=20 Matthias Apitz, =E2=9C=89 guru@unixarea.de, =E2=8C=82 http://www.unixarea.d= e/ =E2=98=8E +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub 8. Mai 1945: Wer nicht feiert hat den Krieg verloren. 8 de mayo de 1945: Quien no festeja perdi=C3=B3 la Guerra. May 8, 1945: Who does not celebrate lost the War. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 19 15:37:30 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A32D74593 for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 15:37:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eekee57@fastmail.fm) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D61BD4F for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 15:37:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eekee57@fastmail.fm) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC31420B7E for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 11:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web1 ([10.202.2.211]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 19 May 2017 11:37:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.fm; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:message-id :mime-version:subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= fm1; bh=M1xTnGdoNARWppgKF2IbzH6RjJ0zfXuS1aV8ChLmNT8=; b=cjiUiRuP xHS2ih5smOicfnreIcbjXpCgueUUlaZKxyPVdcl+fNstPVQap8Q+DPCBv90CRl2B jVnD4IivRGvByIPyQqNbTqXWdz832Ec6wj1tZZFMYECnSW0POM3UkzT+6LBf0q5Q kea+mcLC/cZf3BM03ruqV7RoiHVxWcslPRDik22H7i+gM4X29QTLP/4cZyftvbiy VrNacqOm7yFG0T+KXQCM05bCAHztnKHot5ipYNVpAb6VL4uInNOjOjN4DIO9RRX8 p5deoUeu3aynsn480jP29zMhkIpfv/sXBEYGPJuDozvqQ15zAV3hDfGqLW5dH8Ne zKV0wPIy5durCw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=M1xTnGdoNARWppgKF2IbzH6RjJ0zf XuS1aV8ChLmNT8=; b=NPDY8Uc66C1W0CgboHMe4yjESUy+nLvWyjPabOGD/uXqJ pbsTYywZYp2gqD4FJCSkoLnJ3x8IWMU5YM2qsEi9Ur2sTcPtCMWUaT5UJAFah/Sw cnx17ECxoYStce5WiV5EcfeoRqR525z2D0pwnzyQ3DhOiPuHxkm4InLw0Agf5dgB RXv68KTbYqZjGQ/MNJiiLCMpmbvCxGBPhYaMoIjH3dRg2FGoo74vSsiwY7TzB+MI kWDF0gJk1JA+6B2jcbm+Sk2fyUui95UNx8GLKjZA+FRt2/m3qf1kOrPIDXjId2GZ Qu9xOLoSrT9WQedWujf5Opt3RCYMvCW4lK0h1YORQ== X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id ACC3094377; Fri, 19 May 2017 11:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1495208248.1449918.982161320.0B87F123@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Ethan Grammatikidis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-a5162694 Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 16:37:28 +0100 Subject: remapping pointer buttons X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 15:37:30 -0000 i use a mouse with a button on the side which i remapped to button 2 under linux. i've been using it this way for years, i'm very used to it. i just started using this mouse with freebsd, and i can't figure out how to remap the buttons. here's what i found, in reverse chronological order: xinput silently fails for every pointer device except the core pointer, where it reports an x error. i assume you're not meant to use it with the core pointer, and i don't even want to; i want this to be specific to this one mouse. xmodmap reports an x error. lshal reports a dbus error: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory documentation for moused and lower-level mouse seemed disinclined to mention button mapping. i would like the same button mapping to apply in the framebuffer as well as x. i have severe fatigue issues and i've just had to move a rather fiddly setup involving a laptop with external drive and screen onto my desk with the ecosystem of cabling behind it. i've done it now when i'm already fatigued because my primary workstation died unexpectedly yesterday morning. i'd appreciate an easy answer. -- Linux? I used ext4 for a few years. In proportion to the time spent using it, I lost as much data to it as I lost to the very worst released version of reiserfs. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 19 16:08:31 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E07CD73479 for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 16:08:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay11.qsc.de (mailrelay11.qsc.de [212.99.187.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A67C5B25 for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 16:08:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay11.qsc.de; Fri, 19 May 2017 18:08:00 +0200 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-153-207.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.153.207]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67F2D3CBF9; Fri, 19 May 2017 18:07:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v4JG7wIS002948; Fri, 19 May 2017 18:07:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 18:07:58 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Ethan Grammatikidis Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: remapping pointer buttons Message-Id: <20170519180758.f3d8d15c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1495208248.1449918.982161320.0B87F123@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1495208248.1449918.982161320.0B87F123@webmail.messagingengine.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay11.qsc.de with ABF506A3596 X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.1282 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 16:08:31 -0000 On Fri, 19 May 2017 16:37:28 +0100, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > i use a mouse with a button on the side which i remapped to button 2 > under linux. i've been using it this way for years, i'm very used to > it. i just started using this mouse with freebsd, and i can't figure > out how to remap the buttons. here's what i found, in reverse > chronological order: > > xinput silently fails for every pointer device except the core pointer, > where it reports an x error. i assume you're not meant to use it with > the core pointer, and i don't even want to; i want this to be specific > to this one mouse. You should be able to use xorg.conf partial additions (no need for a complete xorg.conf file). Check "man xorg.conf" for details. > xmodmap reports an x error. This program is inteded for keyboard mapping, not for the mouse, and it only works in X. > lshal reports a dbus error: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus > /system_bus_socket: No such file or directory HAL has been deprecated on Linux long time ago and isn't really useful on FreeBSD. > documentation for moused and lower-level mouse seemed disinclined > to mention button mapping. i would like the same button mapping to > apply in the framebuffer as well as x. See "man moused", especially the -m option. At least for the OS, this is basic functionality which can be configured easily. On X it is more complicated of course. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 19 16:15:17 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FAF9D7374D for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 16:15:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mfv@bway.net) Received: from smtp2.bway.net (smtp2.bway.net [216.220.96.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0B4010AA for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 16:15:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mfv@bway.net) Received: from gecko4 (host-216-220-115-148.dsl.bway.net [216.220.115.148]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m1316v@bway.net) by smtp2.bway.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D095D95876; Fri, 19 May 2017 12:15:14 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bway.net; s=mail; t=1495210514; bh=+izThLW4gEAsFPW9qXRozIblN+ksV4C+NQPewI6lElM=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To; b=gc/O6ynLrVWHhStaG4i45KtP/w7iKeMc+kUFUnclKD5NnzOz7jY9Eo9beGTqQoEDl q8uAWP0CBAm1sTEMPjVPgQhS7n+xTp5PZmM60hucW4auiaHtWhSJTDS1gAtRWQgdW3 EusRIL2EY4CybCIhrtBlLhx/G0qeWCplWH1EhiUs= Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 12:15:14 -0400 From: mfv To: RW via freebsd-questions Cc: RW Subject: Re: GnuPG smart card && geli Message-ID: <20170519121514.21469751@gecko4> In-Reply-To: <20170519161416.68df0fc8@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <20170517103822.GB16462@c720-r314251> <20170519101806.1674fda0@gecko4> <20170519161416.68df0fc8@gumby.homeunix.com> Reply-To: mfv@bway.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 16:15:17 -0000 > On Fri, 2017-05-19 at 16:14 RW via freebsd-questions > wrote: > >On Fri, 19 May 2017 10:19:06 -0400 >mfv via freebsd-questions wrote: > > >> >This would lead to a system (netbook) which never can be booted or >> >otherwise data read from and you can only boot it with the USB boot >> >key, the USB GnuPG-card and the PIN (normally 6 digits). > > >6 digits doesn't sound very secure. > >> >Any comments on this? >> > >> > matthias >> > >> >> Hello Matthias, >> >> I agree with your idea. Some time ago I did some research to find >> out a method to read the password from a USB memory stick but was not >> successful. I was not concerned with disk encryption, just wanted a >> very long password, automatic login and no system access without a >> hardware key. > >A geli device can be set-up to use a passphrase and/or a passfile. You >could just put the passfile on a memory stick and not use >a passphrase at all. > >FWIW I use a passfile to attach geli encrypted partitions, but the >passfile is stored in a small geli encrypted file-backed md device >that's passphrase protected. I did this just to avoid having to type >any more than I need to, but that backing file could just as easily be >on a memory stick. > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hello RW, Is it possible to automatically read a password/passfile during boot up from a USB memory stick without geli? If so, how? Cheers ... Marek From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 19 16:47:41 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 653BAD747D1 for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 16:47:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wr0-x243.google.com (mail-wr0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2EF01C3A for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 16:47:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wr0-x243.google.com with SMTP id v42so3471422wrc.3 for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 09:47:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3euLFxGMeEUZ1p2EkwompguREEqdY8FlP25SF3PQJAs=; b=SPox2o1kYbBHMwNfZhUSkXm1HdP5k27j3xhv2k8yl6AwsExntl9acrkWnVqCI2+qkg Vvpook4PqYl3NYQZENIsGevNsGpj+fyyUVmwUGIbtVcMWNfpc+Yofmb4vdkgsvrP9NOL BUCFhR1YMssBLDTomjegh05zEAgfHkEp6pqBhIM4ywrGxbUlJg4Eq//UiLdWE9DJp4MK S94Vyhlt/oAtWjXcrgzV1LEtLVpZU6cYU5Ivm7bWm1TFC5DTl4f06rAmWqrQROsWgKuT Q8hbg9O2THQDq4ie0t2V6qPlW/eSBscCLBqEbxFAEjryZSwj3FzEo4sPcBRzsoebRXYa PqZA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3euLFxGMeEUZ1p2EkwompguREEqdY8FlP25SF3PQJAs=; b=UkmyFUVS9fTu7cnu+sb7qmI/N3wonhQbqnX7CS4chAq6ToIpwQYN9xP0e2L+FRSl03 px5vGiqxiD+PW0HJfkfD+XVuI+ijEXXQ6S0DdWsZy+aZYG9xENt8P7sqvtTE2Zwz/Nzs DNlspQMzfUXq+V/EZlrSFFavtxBMbjWnZiwlgAEczPiusZdPiCGjvBHhBOKUUeYwAY5O wD1hTWPTThFDqeeszsLqAajf5icEOuiFLZplRWjg+494GFF6BsJFVGK4jtyNMth9+efC AQNS0H4GH13YJF03wR4m0sBu35+IzJOYej603sJe1SO6JncfgCgBeUW0q7CtAH5TGOo7 iVWA== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcA2nReeVB5KK87UaENhD4jKoAbRQH0Kfak5w1mdcxjMvMOQYeeb oaOVRAvli/zUeQMJ X-Received: by 10.223.150.74 with SMTP id c10mr3643261wra.85.1495212458662; Fri, 19 May 2017 09:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([81.17.24.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s10sm3180848wmb.8.2017.05.19.09.47.36 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 19 May 2017 09:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 17:47:34 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GnuPG smart card && geli Message-ID: <20170519174734.1362cd6a@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20170519152546.GB2249@c720-r314251> References: <20170517103822.GB16462@c720-r314251> <20170519101806.1674fda0@gecko4> <20170519161416.68df0fc8@gumby.homeunix.com> <20170519152546.GB2249@c720-r314251> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 16:47:41 -0000 On Fri, 19 May 2017 17:25:46 +0200 Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d=C3=ADa viernes, mayo 19, 2017 a las 04:14:16p. m. +0100, RW via > freebsd-questions escribi=C3=B3: >=20 > > On Fri, 19 May 2017 10:19:06 -0400 > > mfv via freebsd-questions wrote: > > A geli device can be set-up to use a passphrase and/or a passfile. > > You could just put the passfile on a memory stick and not use > > a passphrase at all. =20 >=20 > *This* is very insecure when the key gets stolen or copied (i.e. you > may even not know that someone all the time can enter in your > system). When the GnuPG stick gets stolen, it is useless for > attackers due to missing PIN. I mentioned it solely because the key being stolen and used to access the device is explicitly not in his threat model.=20 > > FWIW I use a passfile to attach geli encrypted partitions, but the > > passfile is stored in a small geli encrypted file-backed md device > > that's passphrase protected. I did this just to avoid having to > > type any more than I need to, but that backing file could just as > > easily be on a memory stick. =20 >=20 > Yes, and can be opened with brute force attacks, depending on the key > length and the computing power. It depends on your threat model. For most people either are better than they need to be. If you think you might have to stand up to a serious attack by the likes of the NSA then you have to be certain that they can't bypass the 3 attempts limit on the card. =20 I'd also be seriously concerned about that 3 attempt limit locking me out of my data.=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 19 17:07:14 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 648E8D74E8E for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 17:07:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x244.google.com (mail-wm0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDBE6A8F for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 17:07:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x244.google.com with SMTP id b84so3568664wmh.0 for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 10:07:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+rJXLOdFRUbQ57m51uQ5auxBb0neDSaHa4cij7k4Q34=; b=Bw38QVlOQUU12PvQuMEr5M5ByLyA4ESDkFG1pqG+NpT7n0L2dLChri5dLGwPqQ8SyQ rH0jiG2ayttJ7TcGjWFmXuRugN9msGL//Y3VMeRvbB8cChb6B0/BDl1jJh4FEOORZ2Ye DgclskEL1FbWjWelAQalZ2byc8c4h0IHDZqIwxg85OqUnQJPN66Xm3WhLWzIMzdJJF39 I6Ta7xkHcXNmXlTyD1iLR8wyePhfDgU/cc4bzFXwIM2Rj5UljPvSHTCnJpT6KrIkYP1r u3fwMdVff1R8gnsw/uHsVyxkm/Ria25WoOCxxqM+aQwn0PRwc1umESccZeA/MTCjsqRH DQRw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+rJXLOdFRUbQ57m51uQ5auxBb0neDSaHa4cij7k4Q34=; b=TmQxqilQ0djgN572wUKY7V0BWcwhDpOoX/NSr6mkuOwQwGXhhcKDAE9f45U1yOoH4L UWd94in0ErxUOJwNlmXoIXBwJsDf9AtrqHLjos8d/4+ghOadPN7xFxoJrFrYLFo0/rgt u4cjWVc6+M4/Lmq1s40j2hWU+DizUpHzvKTVTrv2clcriHCD9AbAUxSjJQVTGcNIJuHi PHMF6sr5L83lFGjfrFqIFsdWdj54FYzc0OD0PUuWZTIZICFIuuT+G35mbG0jIXVQv2tf bO8DZLoEUdPEGSA/LYTyis06yU6uUz0QUDjDdkT2it49+7v72aMWTgomGTwb/7BBKpv5 RDZQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcDS1J9hMhcQka3CkpbZitCPlB3QQJVbwwUsHVp16ZdlFSt1Jwrj V0WXnkVVjfwo+WjM X-Received: by 10.28.197.11 with SMTP id v11mr20804209wmf.84.1495213631890; Fri, 19 May 2017 10:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([81.17.24.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w18sm2476377wra.34.2017.05.19.10.07.10 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 19 May 2017 10:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 18:07:08 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GnuPG smart card && geli Message-ID: <20170519180708.0c8c6b84@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20170519121514.21469751@gecko4> References: <20170517103822.GB16462@c720-r314251> <20170519101806.1674fda0@gecko4> <20170519161416.68df0fc8@gumby.homeunix.com> <20170519121514.21469751@gecko4> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 17:07:14 -0000 On Fri, 19 May 2017 12:15:14 -0400 mfv wrote: > Is it possible to automatically read a password/passfile during boot > up from a USB memory stick without geli? If so, how? I've never tried mounting geli partitions at boot time but I would image you could do it by mounting the stick from fstab and passing the appropriate flag in rc.conf. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 19 17:27:36 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D73AD73576 for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 17:27:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B7851645 for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 17:27:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [88.217.98.249] (helo=[192.168.2.102]) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dBlga-0006c6-Vo for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 May 2017 19:27:33 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Subject: Re: GnuPG smart card && geli Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 19:27:31 +0200 User-Agent: Dekko/0.6.20; Qt/5.4.1; ubuntumirclient; Linux; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <710e7cbb-9835-4e91-8cd0-2321cdf13cdf@unixarea.de> In-Reply-To: <20170519174734.1362cd6a@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <20170517103822.GB16462@c720-r314251> <20170519101806.1674fda0@gecko4> <20170519161416.68df0fc8@gumby.homeunix.com> <20170519152546.GB2249@c720-r314251> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 88.217.98.249 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 17:27:36 -0000 On Friday, 19 May 2017 18:47:34 CEST, RW via freebsd-questions=20 wrote: > On Fri, 19 May 2017 17:25:46 +0200 > Matthias Apitz wrote: > >> El d=C3=ADa viernes, mayo 19, 2017 a las 04:14:16p. m. +0100, RW via >> freebsd-questions escribi=C3=B3: >>=20 >> > On Fri, 19 May 2017 10:19:06 -0400 >> > mfv via freebsd-questions wrote: > >> > A geli device can be set-up to use a passphrase and/or a passfile. >> > You could just put the passfile on a memory stick and not use >> > a passphrase at all. =20 >>=20 >> *This* is very insecure when the key gets stolen or copied (i.e. you >> may even not know that someone all the time can enter in your >> system). When the GnuPG stick gets stolen, it is useless for >> attackers due to missing PIN. > > I mentioned it solely because the key being stolen and used to access > the device is explicitly not in his threat model.=20 > > >> > FWIW I use a passfile to attach geli encrypted partitions, but the >> > passfile is stored in a small geli encrypted file-backed md device >> > that's passphrase protected. I did this just to avoid having to >> > type any more than I need to, but that backing file could just as >> > easily be on a memory stick. =20 >>=20 >> Yes, and can be opened with brute force attacks, depending on the key >> length and the computing power. > > It depends on your threat model. For most people either are better than > they need to be. If you think you might have to stand up to a serious > attack by the likes of the NSA then you have to be certain that > they can't bypass the 3 attempts limit on the card. =20 > > I'd also be seriously concerned about that 3 attempt limit locking me > out of my data.=20 On the GnuPG card you have an admin account with another PIN (in my case 8=20= digits) to unlock your locked SIM, with 3 attemps too. After this, the card=20= is to.throw away, if you fail. --=20 Sent from my Ubuntu phone http://www.unixarea.de/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 19 17:43:09 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02CECD73FF6 for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 17:43:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eekee57@fastmail.fm) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA2E68F1 for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 17:43:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eekee57@fastmail.fm) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63CDF20926; Fri, 19 May 2017 13:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web1 ([10.202.2.211]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 19 May 2017 13:43:07 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.fm; h= cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=sDRYovZcm2bZRY0Daek66utkJxgGw Gl8uYqaI6fYtIE=; b=mXgvxcMgOrhkNowrKoUaTBHuKJmED+37Yngmzly6eNO12 aPWshHLzB85OfDrl0yg5xYGviFBz5ojheNA3d6P94N40qYlT3GcdgGeJT0Uycbif J/dYDVcQswnVP0jDlPEBtwuHbdcU8SBL2cq3WpNz5iOfzJzhFuT9Nk/JMLq9Z+Uo FYBi+/ayQqWyWqjncYc0+XRra5x2JwR71rRwH7e1deuLZRaDE/XzyxUNCi4HuvFm PAg1iaBtV3JJKRGiVySvohS5fQdvFTku/egC6l4PombPFShfX5uqU/Ye9N5xZP5y HUoxwtsVNdB/hjP2yfwFAWZTOqoS/F3ae18m2L7rA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=sDRYov Zcm2bZRY0Daek66utkJxgGwGl8uYqaI6fYtIE=; b=qQ+YB6Lh6pHfcOKxOVgMk7 WXB1ULeVDg1cWThr0EZP14T3gC6FOkmmKyx0ZO9yuDh4+0a+ioGREfbQFLnl0h4d qj+7JY3nmk0u32V/4WiH/xaRgU2Zi3L4WBXYdjZlC64RtrOiV0InftDBhwZn6tqb DyGmhk6wVigADzuF+I8FXu6KWbK8p3Xhpkrw29LxwBHXsrDLw6wu1AkSXgn1LY4f VyjHtFkILpwc8PSw0p1i8W4a4atBzkhr+kqsp+cdJCCbYBcQxUWXbDf4OLFLxJEn JxM6NaD7QSkgzzkdAJBdz3SbIdZsD8piZVryrfdenFQfY4oRltReir9SMdgYqCsg == X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id 454FB94377; Fri, 19 May 2017 13:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1495215787.1476791.982307560.646FF759@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Ethan Grammatikidis To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-a5162694 Subject: Re: remapping pointer buttons References: <1495208248.1449918.982161320.0B87F123@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20170519180758.f3d8d15c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20170519180758.f3d8d15c.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 18:43:07 +0100 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 17:43:09 -0000 On Fri, May 19, 2017, at 05:07 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > You should be able to use xorg.conf partial additions (no need > for a complete xorg.conf file). Check "man xorg.conf" for details. thanks > > xmodmap reports an x error. > > This program is inteded for keyboard mapping, not for the mouse, > and it only works in X. actually, it was the only way to set button mapping when i started using x on secondhand 486s over 20+ years ago! of course, i didn't need it then. i suppose someone thought "mouse button mapping... we have a program for mapping inputty things, i'll add it to that!" i'm slightly grateful it wasn't part of xset. given xset's impenetrable manual page and inconsistent syntax, i'm sure it would have been impossible! > > lshal reports a dbus error: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus > > /system_bus_socket: No such file or directory > > HAL has been deprecated on Linux long time ago and isn't really > useful on FreeBSD. oh good! looks like i'll get through my whole life without having to learn about hal. now if only i'd had the sense to skip some other things, like fvwm which has 6 billion commands to do almost but not quite what i want, or red hat 5.2's init scripts which nearly put me off shell script for life! > > documentation for moused and lower-level mouse seemed disinclined > > to mention button mapping. i would like the same button mapping to > > apply in the framebuffer as well as x. > > See "man moused", especially the -m option. At least for the OS, > this is basic functionality which can be configured easily. On X > it is more complicated of course. ;-) thanks! that looks really easy now you've pointed it out... or it will be when i find out where moused is started, which i'm sure i can manage on my own. i like moused's m=n syntax, much less cumbersome than xmodmap or xinput with their lists of numbers. -- Linux? I used ext4 for a few years. In proportion to the time spent using it, I lost as much data to it as I lost to the very worst released version of reiserfs. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 19 18:38:16 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0362AD74363 for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 18:38:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eekee57@fastmail.fm) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE083C23 for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 18:38:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eekee57@fastmail.fm) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C3A2088E for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 14:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web1 ([10.202.2.211]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 19 May 2017 14:38:14 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.fm; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=AwyIZGzpnWQPfuedSCjgy6yIKXmW5 U+o+ojtSQ5PkVM=; b=KKTJf8JKHXAHyyS8PHIuTYRwv/LK+V4q2e90sW1CyvQ4S qRwxv1L/Ii7jEWaJlcv4rZB3li/BR66ibZohzAmT2YrgSOwoeJFQBV9vv3TN8RK+ tJ4OgdznXKvugdP/WpBMJE0Bzwa4wd1ThbwOB9R4HDvCwWwjpS8H1MzrqOZZz4xo HoOc4OTMs7Zc73Vb3Itj0yuE6DpXRmwTmfScf2LnOoUwGwRd+goBN/2Km+LaUlZV p/HbcG+JhblfpBlx7fYPU2aQQvx8vkwFal+das80CbUfk5hxhxdTpay60JmtAgPd OqcEfv6U8ODJPTGrIb06YkIdiQiMZK9v3SU6H9vSg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=AwyIZG zpnWQPfuedSCjgy6yIKXmW5U+o+ojtSQ5PkVM=; b=rff30TOynR2/AAKtQZqozm T4+OpNcXODT7fJfdoP8g3wWMAgjviyX2gGaOakTBxmwoZWLHwNezL9OjPj4XROdq A5iaNux4aPXGBikMvCoIY0i+9DuZ39UyoUj2pLQiWBHba4ulvpcQvGYJ9IThq8ZB dL3xFRivaK9iimri7k3lQYxwzrVcXxZTJor1N7tZ1PfNkYLQsK0RIMX0wXor34aH 3JUn9XLiBK8GRXEBNik5ayuO/CABM5z201xZnssIWA6fS5IWodg/hxSvOq2dut+V 6dvyHrt4m5zrq50V55Oz2qdzBJa5kuEINhA53Fmgvil6/4FNjmP4ehPMokPd5boA == X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id 58D0894377; Fri, 19 May 2017 14:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1495219094.1488826.982382488.519D524D@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Ethan Grammatikidis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-a5162694 References: <1495208248.1449918.982161320.0B87F123@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20170519180758.f3d8d15c.freebsd@edvax.de> <1495215787.1476791.982307560.646FF759@webmail.messagingengine.com> Subject: Re: remapping pointer buttons Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 19:38:14 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1495215787.1476791.982307560.646FF759@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 18:38:16 -0000 On Fri, May 19, 2017, at 06:43 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > On Fri, May 19, 2017, at 05:07 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > > > See "man moused", especially the -m option. At least for the OS, > > this is basic functionality which can be configured easily. On X > > it is more complicated of course. ;-) > > thanks! that looks really easy now you've pointed it out... or it will be when i find out where moused is started, which i'm sure i can manage on my own. i like moused's m=n syntax, much less cumbersome than xmodmap or xinput with their lists of numbers. almost! aaaalmost! i added a line to /etc/rc.conf, unplugged and reconnected my usb mouse, and saw my "-m 8=2" in the output of ps. i thought it was great, until i found it doesn't actually work. in x, button 8 is still button 8. i could i try using xorg.conf to just make the same mapping in x, but i'd like to just have one authoritative setting. um... brain's gone blank. i need to set a bigger font for the framebuffer anyway; doing that first. -- Linux? I used ext4 for a few years. In proportion to the time spent using it, I lost as much data to it as I lost to the very worst released version of reiserfs. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 19 18:47:41 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F6DD747C5 for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 18:47:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eekee57@fastmail.fm) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB1D315E4 for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 18:47:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eekee57@fastmail.fm) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64DE620BDB for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 14:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web1 ([10.202.2.211]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 19 May 2017 14:47:39 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.fm; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=6vhRkZvNFbeOPWYNVIpiKWXPEr78q 9emAMOBXqyGsz0=; b=BNqIoh4gMm/zqwywLll17gZBX/8o6psJeAabct6TtemMw tqkj+7VZrAJU22IWhOuj+3bLWoDzP+9InfNhHEg8i9jz7g2mMxA1nxy6rl7bJxMu mVabemzW7u4WI+GUnhlDnqCBRZHlvky8ZQbD+nKajbvYMFm+Rn9c/5kqXrxyj6bx Ck26j6tx/36vf4hLZusmIiqo3Py/e6hRCgItsCFhYYNLdyMcv9moTCt5U2p3KloL 79M4oPdRpA03HzRju7E81PGwqpFmexHyWWK2ZHKPdd1WFmJJvdG1/14/1cg86JqU 8a3KogUpmw0FR6zYbCvqb2jf9hIzZPeWmDspspJaw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=6vhRkZ vNFbeOPWYNVIpiKWXPEr78q9emAMOBXqyGsz0=; b=U4IcMiRc9ZtvPniImEwxgl i7gFxDfC2vd8NA0lXM44bn/WDCsNchsF+NsvZ0SLKnw6alQtuLdbIxL8utExZmw6 joCgyXRSwgFAhdgUTH1xScnwX6iqesxIDNWdTUAVaTv6+40u/oug86ieRJYnMJ59 AznBgb7ysnmSmYwClUuNclL3EULnfuDk/6xJVaPlp7qhTrNX2BUQ3kFHg2Si594V fzSaiTenuLn+tl/+5veuvqF9LDTrJm+o0WCSgHfnOZL7+BuVi8W+530tHcOLVPa6 +ns+kf3XwlVcgJeR+RBQKv02U7lWnyR4rWZnkYzTO3sHO1OC/62eu7+9pjhC4Jtg == X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id 423A794377; Fri, 19 May 2017 14:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1495219659.1490726.982391760.50A04D90@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Ethan Grammatikidis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-a5162694 In-Reply-To: <1495219094.1488826.982382488.519D524D@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 19:47:39 +0100 Subject: Re: remapping pointer buttons References: <1495208248.1449918.982161320.0B87F123@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20170519180758.f3d8d15c.freebsd@edvax.de> <1495215787.1476791.982307560.646FF759@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1495219094.1488826.982382488.519D524D@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 18:47:41 -0000 On Fri, May 19, 2017, at 07:38 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > > almost! aaaalmost! i added a line to /etc/rc.conf, unplugged and reconnected my usb mouse, and saw my "-m 8=2" in the output of ps. i thought it was great, until i found it doesn't actually work. in x, button 8 is still button 8. sorry, replied too fast. in x, with '-m 8=2', button 8 is still button 8 but button 2 becomes button 12, leaving me with no button 2 at all. i thought i'd misunderstood the man page, so i set '-m 2=8', but that again makes no change to button 8 in x while button 2 stops sending anything at all. i'll leave it for a while as i'm replying too fast. if someone could tell me how to test mouse buttons in the framebuffer console (like i can with xev in x), i'd be grateful. -- Linux? I used ext4 for a few years. In proportion to the time spent using it, I lost as much data to it as I lost to the very worst released version of reiserfs. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 20 02:58:15 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A8CD75A2C for ; Sat, 20 May 2017 02:58:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 2018@casidy.com) Received: from smtp3.galacsys.net (smtp3.galacsys.net [IPv6:2001:1b78:0:9:d918:5905:0:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 228AF16A0 for ; Sat, 20 May 2017 02:58:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 2018@casidy.com) Received: from smtp3.galacsys.net (unknown [127.0.1.2]) by smtp3.galacsys.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A04FD2D56F for ; Sat, 20 May 2017 04:58:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.3.15] (softbank126209005005.bbtec.net [126.209.5.5]) (Authenticated user) by smtp3.galacsys.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA for ; Sat, 20 May 2017 04:58:02 +0200 (CEST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: freebsd@casidy.com Subject: FreeBSD shared web hosting solution? Message-ID: <8b4c5f79-c389-e7dd-6d3f-3a81bc598e85@casidy.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 04:58:02 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 02:58:15 -0000 Hi, It is been years I am using the same web hosting provider and there are a few points that bugs me so I am looking for potential new hosting. I searched online and at https://www.freebsd.org/commercial/isp.html and was able to find some virtual hosting but not much web hostings. What I am looking is - shared web hosting service - running on FreeBSD (or on *BSD) - multiple domain names - quick quick of mail aliases I don't want the burden to manage a host and mail/web servers the CMS is already enough for me :) Any 2017 recommendation? Thanks Philippe From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 20 03:16:19 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E315FD75572 for ; Sat, 20 May 2017 03:16:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CCAA81A51 for ; Sat, 20 May 2017 03:16:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with local (Exim 4.89 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1dBuru-0008zv-RD; Fri, 19 May 2017 21:15:50 -0600 Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 21:15:50 -0600 From: The Doctor To: freebsd@casidy.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD shared web hosting solution? Message-ID: <20170520031550.GA34110@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> References: <8b4c5f79-c389-e7dd-6d3f-3a81bc598e85@casidy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8b4c5f79-c389-e7dd-6d3f-3a81bc598e85@casidy.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.2 (2017-04-18) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 03:16:20 -0000 On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 04:58:02AM +0200, freebsd@casidy.com wrote: > Hi, > > It is been years I am using the same web hosting provider and there are > a few points that bugs me so I am looking for potential new hosting. > > I searched online and at https://www.freebsd.org/commercial/isp.html and > was able to find some virtual hosting but not much web hostings. > > What I am looking is > - shared web hosting service > - running on FreeBSD (or on *BSD) > - multiple domain names > - quick quick of mail aliases > > I don't want the burden to manage a host and mail/web servers the CMS is > already enough for me :) > > Any 2017 recommendation? > I am current doing that as http://www.nk.ca/ However what are you needs? > Thanks > > Philippe > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism UK Stop Theresa MAy MT V2 and Impotent Corbyn, Vote Farron and LDEm!! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 20 07:26:32 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC47D75077 for ; Sat, 20 May 2017 07:26:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay10.qsc.de (mailrelay10.qsc.de [212.99.163.152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F222014C8 for ; Sat, 20 May 2017 07:26:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay10.qsc.de; Sat, 20 May 2017 09:26:21 +0200 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-153-207.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.153.207]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 233513CBF9; Sat, 20 May 2017 09:26:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v4K7QKFj002929; Sat, 20 May 2017 09:26:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 09:26:20 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Ethan Grammatikidis Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: remapping pointer buttons Message-Id: <20170520092620.8d373fb7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1495219659.1490726.982391760.50A04D90@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1495208248.1449918.982161320.0B87F123@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20170519180758.f3d8d15c.freebsd@edvax.de> <1495215787.1476791.982307560.646FF759@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1495219094.1488826.982382488.519D524D@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1495219659.1490726.982391760.50A04D90@webmail.messagingengine.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay10.qsc.de with 847EB683DD3 X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.1198 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 07:26:32 -0000 On Fri, 19 May 2017 19:47:39 +0100, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > On Fri, May 19, 2017, at 07:38 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > > > > almost! aaaalmost! i added a line to /etc/rc.conf, unplugged and > > reconnected my usb mouse, and saw my "-m 8=2" in the output of ps. > > i thought it was great, until i found it doesn't actually work. > > in x, button 8 is still button 8. > > sorry, replied too fast. in x, with '-m 8=2', button 8 is still button > 8 but button 2 becomes button 12, leaving me with no button 2 at all. As I said, X handles input differently than the text mode console. For the console, moused configuration applies. But for X, you need to mess with xinput, maybe through a partial xorg.conf file where you only set options for the mouse. Here is an example for such an entry: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse" Option "Protocol" "Auto" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Emulate3Buttons" Option "EmulateWheel" Option "EmulateWheelButton" "2" EndSection Of course you'd have to define only the relevant options that you actually need for the button re-mapping; see "man xorg.conf" and assorted X documentation. :-) > i thought i'd misunderstood the man page, so i set '-m 2=8', but > that again makes no change to button 8 in x while button 2 stops > sending anything at all. Just mind the _scope_ of the moused utility. Check "man moused", there is also an option for debugging where you can examine the events appearing for the mouse (similar to the X event viewer, xev). > i'll leave it for a while as i'm replying too fast. if someone > could tell me how to test mouse buttons in the framebuffer console > (like i can with xev in x), i'd be grateful. With "moused -d -f " it is easily possible. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[74.141.88.57]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 127sm5299332itk.12.2017.05.20.06.17.29 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 20 May 2017 06:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <592041FB.9030408@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 09:17:47 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD questions CC: "freebsd-doc@freebsd.org" Subject: having trouble making changes to the handbook Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 13:17:31 -0000 I am following the info in this link https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/ I installed the textproc/docproj package. The above link says that svn is installed as part of that port. But it really is not. Have to use the built in svnlite command. The shown command "svnlite checkout https://svn.FreeBSD.org/doc/head ~/doc" downloads far more items than wanted. This needs better example of just downloading the desired language version of the handbook plus any "shared directories" required for "make command" to work. How do I do this? I ran the "igor -R filename.xml | less -RS" command on the chapter I wanted to work on before making any changes. To my surprise a bunch of error are shown. Since these error are all already in the handbook source I see no reason why I should try to correct them. When I ran the "make" command the resulting html files are just written into the directory that "make" was run from. How do I tell "make" to write the output to a location of my selection? What is really lacking is a way to view the changed output in a command line browser. Installing a desktop just to view the changed handbook is not an acceptable solution. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 20 20:56:45 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6DED76DC4 for ; Sat, 20 May 2017 20:56:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mfv@bway.net) Received: from smtp2.bway.net (smtp2.bway.net [216.220.96.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5F58392 for ; Sat, 20 May 2017 20:56:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mfv@bway.net) Received: from gecko4 (host-216-220-115-148.dsl.bway.net [216.220.115.148]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m1316v@bway.net) by smtp2.bway.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CB4139586B; Sat, 20 May 2017 16:56:36 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bway.net; s=mail; t=1495313796; bh=oYcLlRwAbiJRoj28wmkkTps9y8xggeDc27vHav0kmUw=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To; b=TLH8PcBQ3EdhP78fDtaZBt+Twbjftn+0SDzlxIYt2y2k+4VXPHOlDjVOs6pDz6ioE Z3zxrUQ+8dxjKaoSjeR4wOc4o6dB1QSOhCK2VtOdKSSlW/vMHetaaoxdU77K/5HSZa sdlheWYeLn5DCzVyw1GXQCJki6hF5sjtY69Aetv4= Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 16:56:36 -0400 From: mfv To: RW via freebsd-questions Cc: RW Subject: Re: GnuPG smart card && geli Message-ID: <20170520165636.27ca80d9@gecko4> In-Reply-To: <20170519180708.0c8c6b84@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <20170517103822.GB16462@c720-r314251> <20170519101806.1674fda0@gecko4> <20170519161416.68df0fc8@gumby.homeunix.com> <20170519121514.21469751@gecko4> <20170519180708.0c8c6b84@gumby.homeunix.com> Reply-To: mfv@bway.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 20:56:45 -0000 > On Fri, 2017-05-19 at 18:07 RW via freebsd-questions > wrote: > >On Fri, 19 May 2017 12:15:14 -0400 >mfv wrote: > > >> Is it possible to automatically read a password/passfile during boot >> up from a USB memory stick without geli? If so, how? > >I've never tried mounting geli partitions at boot time but I would >image you could do it by mounting the stick from fstab and passing the >appropriate flag in rc.conf. > > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hello RW, Thanks for this useful suggestion. It seems feasible for my skill level. I know enough of FreeBSD to edit fstab but am not clear about the specific settings in rc.conf. As I am not interested in using geli I looked in /etc/defaults/rc.conf for an appropriate setting but could not find anything that could be used. Did I miss something? If not, does that mean I have to roll my own rc script and place it in /usr/local/etc/rc.d? Cheers ... Marek