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On Sat, 13 May 2017 23:49:07 +0000, Manish Jain wrote:
> Any recent HP printer should work well under FreeBSD. The printer
> can be made to work with CUPS, and/or local printing and scanning
> with hplip / sane-backends. To install everything in one go : pkg
> install cups hplip sane-backends
In case the printer understands PS, you usually don't need the
device-specific drivers or filters. You don't even need CUPS. :-)
But if you use CUPS, HP printers are quite well supported. Check
at http://hplipopensource.com/ and verify the _exact_ model.
It doesn't hurt if there is a PPD available.
> Some printers which do not work with CUPS can be made to work
> by deleting the CUPS queue and directly running the printer
> under hplip. To setup hplip, use 'hp-setup'.
In worst case, you can use a filter like e. g. foo2zjs and
pipe its output directly into the printer device. You can
automate this using the system's printing facility (lpr
and printcap). But as I said, with HP printers this usually
is not needed.
> 2) 'scanimage -L' should list your scanner nicely, at least as root.
HP printers' scanners are often well supported. You need to
install and configure SANE, and then you can access the
scanner via xscanimage, xsane, Gimp, LibreOffice, ...
--
Polytropon
Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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On 05/13/2017 03:18 PM, Chris Hill wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> I wonder if anyone can offer advice on a new printer. My old HP 4550N
> has finally given up the ghost after more than 16 years of semi-faithful
> service.
>
> I'm looking for a color laser printer with ethernet interface and
> Postscript comprehension. I'm currently looking at the HP M553n and the
> Xerox Phaser 6515DN, but if you have other suggestions, ideas,
> caveats... I'd love to hear them. Thanks.
>
HP_Officejet_Pro_8620 ???
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from Chris Hill:
> I wonder if anyone can offer advice on a new printer. My old HP 4550N has
> finally given up the ghost after more than 16 years of semi-faithful service.
> I'm looking for a color laser printer with ethernet interface and Postscript
> comprehension. I'm currently looking at the HP M553n and the Xerox Phaser
> 6515DN, but if you have other suggestions, ideas, caveats... I'd love to hear
> them. Thanks.
My luck with HP has been bad, enough to dissuade me from buying any more HP products.
I have HP LaserJet Professional M1212nf MFP, and the first several attempts were fruitless, in both NetBSD and FreeBSD.
I finally got it to print in NetBSD through cups with a special PPD file, think FreeBSD might also work with the same PPD file.
Only Ethernet worked, USB didn't.
I am rebuilding FreeBSD installations after getting nonbootable results updating NetBSD (version 7.99.71 of current branch).
Then I intend to rebuild many packages including cups and hplip.
I never got scanning or fax from computer to work.
One adverse factor is the need for a proprietary binary plugin.
I was on Xerox website and more favorably impressed, but didn't buy the printer because I already have that HP multifunction printer.
Tom
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Hello,
I'm trying to set up a "road warrior" VPN for my company.
We have a pfSense firewall (FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p19) which we use for all
our VPN stuff.
The device is configured like so:
- 10.40.2.1/16 on the LAN interface
- IPsec tunnel VPN with remote network 192.168.40.100/24, with NAT 1:1 from
172.16.0.0/16 to 10.40.0.0/16 (this is with a SaaS company that won't change
their setup unless strictly necessary)
- The OpenVPN configuration file at the end of this email
- Bridge between the LAN interface and the OpenVPN (ovpns1) interface
The issue is that everything can be reached from the "road warrior" clients
normally, except for the firewall (10.40.2.1) and hosts over the IPsec VPN
(which is the entire reason I'm using TAP instead of TUN: I need to keep the
road warrior clients in the same network that can access the IPsec VPN).
The weird thing is that the firewall can be pinged and answers (but I
suspect that's an OpenVPN thing, it's likely not FreeBSD responding), but I
cannot reach its web configuration interface or connect with SSH. Please
note that this is not a binding issue nor a firewall issue, the web
interface binds on 0:443 and the firewall is temporarily set to allow
everything to pass.
Right now I have a second "road warrior" VPN access, using IPsec, which
works with the web interface but still doesn't work with the other IPsec
VPN. I would like to use OpenVPN because IPsec looks pretty hackish to me,
especially how it is implemented on pfSense/FreeBSD.
Best regards,
Riccardo Paolo Bestetti
---
OpenVPN configuration file:
dev ovpns1
verb 1
dev-type tap
dev-node /dev/tap1
writepid /var/run/openvpn_server1.pid
#user nobody
#group nobody
script-security 3
daemon
keepalive 10 60
ping-timer-rem
persist-tun
persist-key
proto udp
cipher AES-256-CBC
auth SHA1
up /usr/local/sbin/ovpn-linkup
down /usr/local/sbin/ovpn-linkdown
client-connect /usr/local/sbin/openvpn.attributes.sh
client-disconnect /usr/local/sbin/openvpn.attributes.sh
local [hidden IP address]
engine cryptodev
tls-server
mode server
client-cert-not-required
username-as-common-name
auth-user-pass-verify "/usr/local/sbin/ovpn_auth_verify [hidden script
parameters]" via-env tls-verify "/usr/local/sbin/ovpn_auth_verify tls
'server' 1"
lport 1194
management /var/etc/openvpn/server1.sock unix max-clients 8 push
"register-dns"
client-to-client
ca /var/etc/openvpn/server1.ca
cert /var/etc/openvpn/server1.cert
key /var/etc/openvpn/server1.key
dh /etc/dh-parameters.4096
tls-auth /var/etc/openvpn/server1.tls-auth 0 push "route-gateway 10.40.2.1"
push "route 10.40.0.0 255.255.0.0"
push "route 192.168.40.112 255.255.255.255"
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> - IPsec tunnel VPN with remote network 192.168.40.100/24, with NAT 1:1
from
> 172.16.0.0/16 to 10.40.0.0/16 (this is with a SaaS company that won't
change
> their setup unless strictly necessary)
> push "route 192.168.40.112 255.255.255.255"
This is a /32 subnet, it should be /24.
On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:04 AM, <riccardopaolo.bestetti@studenti.polito.it>
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm trying to set up a "road warrior" VPN for my company.
>
> We have a pfSense firewall (FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p19) which we use for all
> our VPN stuff.
>
>
>
> The device is configured like so:
>
> - 10.40.2.1/16 on the LAN interface
>
> - IPsec tunnel VPN with remote network 192.168.40.100/24, with NAT 1:1
> from
> 172.16.0.0/16 to 10.40.0.0/16 (this is with a SaaS company that won't
> change
> their setup unless strictly necessary)
>
> - The OpenVPN configuration file at the end of this email
>
> - Bridge between the LAN interface and the OpenVPN (ovpns1) interface
>
>
>
> The issue is that everything can be reached from the "road warrior" clients
> normally, except for the firewall (10.40.2.1) and hosts over the IPsec VPN
> (which is the entire reason I'm using TAP instead of TUN: I need to keep
> the
> road warrior clients in the same network that can access the IPsec VPN).
>
> The weird thing is that the firewall can be pinged and answers (but I
> suspect that's an OpenVPN thing, it's likely not FreeBSD responding), but I
> cannot reach its web configuration interface or connect with SSH. Please
> note that this is not a binding issue nor a firewall issue, the web
> interface binds on 0:443 and the firewall is temporarily set to allow
> everything to pass.
>
> Right now I have a second "road warrior" VPN access, using IPsec, which
> works with the web interface but still doesn't work with the other IPsec
> VPN. I would like to use OpenVPN because IPsec looks pretty hackish to me,
> especially how it is implemented on pfSense/FreeBSD.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Riccardo Paolo Bestetti
>
>
>
> ---
>
>
>
> OpenVPN configuration file:
>
> dev ovpns1
>
> verb 1
>
> dev-type tap
>
> dev-node /dev/tap1
>
> writepid /var/run/openvpn_server1.pid
>
> #user nobody
>
> #group nobody
>
> script-security 3
>
> daemon
>
> keepalive 10 60
>
> ping-timer-rem
>
> persist-tun
>
> persist-key
>
> proto udp
>
> cipher AES-256-CBC
>
> auth SHA1
>
> up /usr/local/sbin/ovpn-linkup
>
> down /usr/local/sbin/ovpn-linkdown
>
> client-connect /usr/local/sbin/openvpn.attributes.sh
>
> client-disconnect /usr/local/sbin/openvpn.attributes.sh
>
> local [hidden IP address]
>
> engine cryptodev
>
> tls-server
>
> mode server
>
> client-cert-not-required
>
> username-as-common-name
>
> auth-user-pass-verify "/usr/local/sbin/ovpn_auth_verify [hidden script
> parameters]" via-env tls-verify "/usr/local/sbin/ovpn_auth_verify tls
> 'server' 1"
>
> lport 1194
>
> management /var/etc/openvpn/server1.sock unix max-clients 8 push
> "register-dns"
>
> client-to-client
>
> ca /var/etc/openvpn/server1.ca
>
> cert /var/etc/openvpn/server1.cert
>
> key /var/etc/openvpn/server1.key
>
> dh /etc/dh-parameters.4096
>
> tls-auth /var/etc/openvpn/server1.tls-auth 0 push "route-gateway
> 10.40.2.1"
>
> push "route 10.40.0.0 255.255.0.0"
>
> push "route 192.168.40.112 255.255.255.255"
>
>
>
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On Sat, 13 May 2017 22:48:53 -0700, Thomas D. Dean wrote:
> On 05/13/2017 03:18 PM, Chris Hill wrote:
> > Hi list,
> >
> > I wonder if anyone can offer advice on a new printer. My old HP 4550N
> > has finally given up the ghost after more than 16 years of semi-faithful
> > service.
> >
> > I'm looking for a color laser printer with ethernet interface and
> > Postscript comprehension. I'm currently looking at the HP M553n and the
> > Xerox Phaser 6515DN, but if you have other suggestions, ideas,
> > caveats... I'd love to hear them. Thanks.
> >
> HP_Officejet_Pro_8620 ???
I can definitely confirm the HP Officejet 8950 to be working
(CUPS 1.5.4, FreeBSD 10.3) in all essential parts, but that one
is an inkpee printer!
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On Sun, 14 May 2017 08:05:50 +0000, Thomas Mueller wrote:
> My luck with HP has been bad, enough to dissuade me from buying
> any more HP products.
I always suggest to check http://hplipopensource.com/ _before_
actually buying something.
> I have HP LaserJet Professional M1212nf MFP, and the first
> several attempts were fruitless, in both NetBSD and FreeBSD.
Did you use the (most current) CUPS and hplip software?
http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/laserjet/hp_laserjet_professional_m1212nf_mfp.html
The following addition is provided:
This printer REQUIRES a downloadable driver plug-in,
which is required to enable print, fax or scan support.
Use hp-setup to install the printer, and to download
and install the plug-in. Driver plug-ins are released
under a proprietary (non-open) license and are not part
of the HPLIP tarball release.
Did you pay attention to this nonstandard part?
> I finally got it to print in NetBSD through cups with a special
> PPD file, think FreeBSD might also work with the same PPD file.
Yes, the first P in PPD means "portable". :-)
> Only Ethernet worked, USB didn't.
I never had any problems with HP networking, but of course I'm
just considering ye olden HP Laserjet office (!) printers (which
do only print, nothing else). ;-)
> I am rebuilding FreeBSD installations after getting nonbootable
> results updating NetBSD (version 7.99.71 of current branch).
It's worth a try. If you have a PPD, it will provide good help.
> I never got scanning or fax from computer to work.
Scanning is not a problem once you have installed hplip and SANE.
Fax... who uses fax anymore? ;-)
> One adverse factor is the need for a proprietary binary plugin.
Definitely.
> I was on Xerox website and more favorably impressed, but didn't
> buy the printer because I already have that HP multifunction
> printer.
It's always worth checking device compatibility first. The less
obstacles are mentioned ("needs firmware upload" etc.), the less
trouble you will have. I know it's not easy today to find a
printer which will reliably work, but if you do some research
beforehand, you can actually get a good printer.
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Hello everybody.
I would like to buy a used HP z800 workstation to build a new
upcoming 11.1 system and replace my Dell T7400 (running 10.3).
At present, I use my system for "normal things" like browsing the
internet, sending mail and in general to experiment with FreeBSD and in
particular with jails.
And, VERY important for me, is the possibility to have a raid-5 system
because I will use it also as a repository for all the photos of my
family.
But, before to buy it, I would like to know your opinions on that
system... is there anyone of you that is using it with satisfaction?
Thank you.
Kind regards.
Mauro.
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On 05/14/2017 01:34 AM, Manish Jain wrote:
> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Thomas Mueller <mueller6722@twc.com> wrote:
> My luck with HP has been bad, enough to dissuade me from buying any more HP products. I have HP LaserJet Professional M1212nf MFP, and the first several attempts were fruitless, in both NetBSD and FreeBSD. I finally got it to print in NetBSD through cups with a special PPD file, think FreeBSD might also work with the same PPD file. Only Ethernet worked, USB didn't. I am rebuilding FreeBSD installations after getting nonbootable results updating NetBSD (version 7.99.71 of current branch). Then I intend to rebuild many packages including cups and hplip. I never got scanning or fax from computer to work. One adverse factor is the need for a proprietary binary plugin. I was on Xerox website and more favorably impressed, but didn't buy the printer because I already have that HP multifunction printer.
>
>
> Have you tried using the printer with hplip ? hplip gives you every single HP function available and usually works very well.
>
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Experience varies. I have never had an HP failure and, with the proper
setup, alyways seem to produce good copy.
Tom Dean
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On Sun, May 14, 2017 3:34 am, Manish Jain wrote:
> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Thomas Mueller <mueller6722@twc.com>
wrote:
> My luck with HP has been bad, enough to dissuade me from buying any more
HP products.
Just for balance: we love HP printers, we use HP printers forever. We
allow clients print through print server only (configuring printers to
accept jobs only from print server). HP printers always have been easy to
install. On client if some stupid laptop has no HP drivers (to save
space), just use generic postscript driver. I only can speak for laser HP
printers. They are extremely reliable. I just retired printer that worked
for the department for over 15 years, heavily used, and is still working.
Never broke of failed. And HP still makes supplies for this "obsolete"
printer. Which brings me to the
<rant>
I decided to never ever buy any Xerox product (even though I still would
sign under their old motto: "we taught the world how to copy"). Some 7 or
8 years ago Xerox made a decision to eradicate "compatible" supplies. They
did it this way: every 3 Months or so they were releasing "new" printer
model, essentially the same previous one, only toners for that were
incompatible with "older" models. This made manufacturing "compatible"
after market supplies economically unprofitable, as there was only small
number of each Xerox printer model. I wouldn't care as I'm used to buy
slightly more expensive supplies made by printer manufacturer. But: 6
years after some Xerox printer model was sold (Phaser 6200 was our case),
Xerox stopped making toners, and parts with finite life, after a life of
such a part ends printer will refuse to work. As a result I had to throw
away decently young perfectly working Xerox printers. So: no Xerox
anything will ever be purchased or rented whenever I have enough leverage
to affect the decision.
</rant>
> I have HP LaserJet Professional M1212nf MFP, and the first
> several attempts were fruitless, in both NetBSD and FreeBSD. I finally
got it to print in NetBSD through cups with a special PPD file, think
FreeBSD might also work with the same PPD file.
CUPS installed on any system will work with the same PPD file which brings
specific description of that particular printer, as PostScript Printer
Description (PPD) is written in postscript which effectively is
programming language which both CUPS and printer firmware (system that is
run on postscript printer) implement. You can get PPD for you printer
wherever you find it, and use in CUPS on your system. PPD can be found on
CD that comes with printer, it can be taken from successful installation
of printer on different system (e.g. macintosh, Linux...), it comes as a
part of "driver" package one can download from printer manufacturer
website, you can try linuxprinting.org webiste:
https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/openprinting/start
Good luck!
Valeri
> Only Ethernet worked, USB didn't.
> I am rebuilding FreeBSD installations after getting nonbootable results
updating NetBSD (version 7.99.71 of current branch). Then I intend to
rebuild many packages including cups and hplip. I never got scanning or
fax from computer to work. One adverse factor is the need for a
> proprietary binary plugin. I was on Xerox website and more favorably
impressed, but didn't buy the printer because I already have that HP
multifunction printer.
>
>
> Have you tried using the printer with hplip ? hplip gives you every
single HP function available and usually works very well.
>
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Hello,
On 05/14/2017 03:19 PM, Stari Karp wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I am sorry if FreeBSD Questions is not correct for my question but:
>
> I have installed FreeBSD (now is 11-RELEASE) on iMac 11,1 where is also
> OS X on but I do not using it years. Now I have a problem with hard
> drive and I decided to change my HD with new SSD drive(I didn't buy
> yet).
> Is it possible to installed just FreeBSD on the computer, please? Now I
> have dual boot and I use rEFit.
> Thank you very much.
>
I did it on a 2009 iMac. It was awhile ago, but if I recall correctly
the only issue was it needed an older nvidia driver.
--
Jim Ohlstein
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from Polytropon:
> On Sun, 14 May 2017 08:05:50 +0000, Thomas Mueller wrote:
> > My luck with HP has been bad, enough to dissuade me from buying
> > any more HP products.
> I always suggest to check http://hplipopensource.com/ _before_
> actually buying something.
I believe I did that.
> > I have HP LaserJet Professional M1212nf MFP, and the first
> > several attempts were fruitless, in both NetBSD and FreeBSD.
> Did you use the (most current) CUPS and hplip software?
> http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/laserjet/hp_laserjet_professional_m1212nf_mfp.html
> The following addition is provided:
> This printer REQUIRES a downloadable driver plug-in,
> which is required to enable print, fax or scan support.
> Use hp-setup to install the printer, and to download
> and install the plug-in. Driver plug-ins are released
> under a proprietary (non-open) license and are not part
> of the HPLIP tarball release.
> Did you pay attention to this nonstandard part?
Sure I saw that. But hp-setup always failed when attempting to download that plug-in.
This is part of the reason, along with poor HP support policy, why I don't want to ever again buy anything from HP.
How would I know before buying another printer if it requires a proprietary binary plug-in?
A few years ago, on visiting HP website, this printer was past end-of-life, and no drivers were available even for MS-Windows.
So I can try, but would be very surprised if that proprietary binary plug-in were even available.
But I think I still have some old stuff for MS-Windows on hard drive.
I looked in /usr/ports/print/hplip-plugin/pkg-plist, and couldn't see anything for my HP model.
But hplipopensource was still alive (and well?).
> > I finally got it to print in NetBSD through cups with a special
> > PPD file, think FreeBSD might also work with the same PPD file.
> Yes, the first P in PPD means "portable". :-)
I think my printing success was due to cups; hplip seemed to play no part.
> Scanning is not a problem once you have installed hplip and SANE.
> Fax... who uses fax anymore? ;-)
Scanning didn't work even with hplip and/or sane.
Now I wonder if, when I get to needing another cartridge, the toner for my printer model will still be available.
If not, I will consider myself blessed because that would mean I can give up on this printer in favor of something better.
Besides FreeBSD, I will also have chances with NetBSD and a future Linux installation.
I tried copying my custom NetBSD 7.99.71 kernels for amd64 to i386 by NFS from the Intel Ivy Bridge computer to my other (Intel Sandy Bridge) computer, and they booted successfully: a great surprise after failing on Intel Ivy Bridge computer.
Tom
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On Sun, 14 May 2017 23:06:56 +0000, Thomas Mueller wrote:
> from Polytropon:
> > Did you pay attention to this nonstandard part?
>
> Sure I saw that. But hp-setup always failed when attempting to
> download that plug-in.
That is actually a big problem. It's usually easier to download
the required parts manually, but I doubt both the hplipopensource.com
and the HP documentation will explicitely point out _where_ to
download it from. It's also common for manufacturers to stop the
support for certain products, even if that just means some resource
will be 404'd.
> This is part of the reason, along with poor HP support policy,
> why I don't want to ever again buy anything from HP.
When I suggest using HP products, I only do this because I never
had such problems. I try to check as much documentation as possible
_before_ purchasing anything. If the device conforms to existing
standards (such as PCL, PS, or PDF for printer language), there
usually is no need for anything that printer-specific that only
the manufacturer can provide.
> How would I know before buying another printer if it requires a
> proprietary binary plug-in?
Search for the device at hplipopensource.com (in case it's a HP),
it will be mentioned if such nonstandard parts are needed. Avoid
"GDI printers" ("winprinters") at all cost. Yes, I'm looking at
you, Canon! ;-)
> A few years ago, on visiting HP website, this printer was past
> end-of-life, and no drivers were available even for MS-Windows.
That is quite common, and it doesn't even affect only ye olden
office laser printers (such as HP Laserjet 4000 DN which stopped
printing in "Windows 10"). Manufacturers are interested in selling
you the same thing over and over, so planned obsolescence will be
achieved through software (or to be precise: the _inavailability_
of software).
> So I can try, but would be very surprised if that proprietary
> binary plug-in were even available.
Make sure you don't need such nonsense. Confirm that the printer
will at least speak one of PCL, PS, or PDF.
> I looked in /usr/ports/print/hplip-plugin/pkg-plist, and couldn't
> see anything for my HP model.
>
> But hplipopensource was still alive (and well?).
I recently confirmed a HP Officejet 8950 both through that site
and in reality - but as I mentioned, that is an inkpee printer.
There is no explicit mentioning in the hplip package list, but
it works quite nicely. Even the dreaded CUPS auto-detection did
work.
> > > I finally got it to print in NetBSD through cups with a special
> > > PPD file, think FreeBSD might also work with the same PPD file.
>
> > Yes, the first P in PPD means "portable". :-)
>
> I think my printing success was due to cups; hplip seemed to play no part.
That is quite possible. CUPS includes lots of printer drivers
on its own.
> > Scanning is not a problem once you have installed hplip and SANE.
> > Fax... who uses fax anymore? ;-)
>
> Scanning didn't work even with hplip and/or sane.
If I remember correctly, you need to install the SANE backends
library. That one will bring you the model-specific support.
> Now I wonder if, when I get to needing another cartridge, the toner
> for my printer model will still be available.
>
> If not, I will consider myself blessed because that would mean I
> can give up on this printer in favor of something better.
Shortage on toner supply is a good reason to dump a specifc model.
For example, I'm using several HP Laserjet 4000 DN and I can still
get toner cartridges for < 50 Euro. The moment those aren't sold
anymore will make me unhappy. ;-)
> Besides FreeBSD, I will also have chances with NetBSD and a
> future Linux installation.
All of them use CUPS for printing (and usually application software
will depend on CUPS for anything printing-related). Even Mac OS X
(or however they call it this year) uses CUPS. So whenever a printer
works with CUPS, you're good to go across operating systems. Don't
waste time with nonstandard binary driver plugins, uploadable firm-
ware, host-based control programs or stupid stuff like that. Printers
that require you to use those aren't worth buying.
Again: Make sure the printer conforms to existing standards.
--
Polytropon
Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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OP here.
First, thanks to all for your responses.
Second, let me clarify that I would really prefer to stay away from CUPS
if possible. I use lpr and printcap, with occasional printing from
applications whose names start with "gn." What I'm after is a printer
that works out of the box with minimal hassle.
My main reason for hesitating on the HP M553n was that the specs claim
support for "HP postscript level 3 emulation," which seems to be not the
same thing as actual postscript. It would also be swell if I could avoid
complications like hplip.
And thanks to Valeri's <rant> I will be very leery of Xerox products;
that Phaser I mentioned (6515DN) is probably out of the running now due
to the chance of it becoming a Supplies Orphan. One thing I like about
HP is that they seem to make consumables for many years after the
product is discontinued. Toner, fusers etc. are still available for the
old 4550N after these many years.
--
Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org
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On Sun, 14 May 2017 20:40:43 -0400 (EDT), Chris Hill wrote:
> Second, let me clarify that I would really prefer to stay away from CUPS
> if possible. I use lpr and printcap, with occasional printing from
> applications whose names start with "gn." What I'm after is a printer
> that works out of the box with minimal hassle.
So you'd be best prepared with a printer that understands PS or PCL.
You can generate PCL easily with gs (called via printcap), and PS is
no problem because it's the default printing output format of all
applications anyway.
> My main reason for hesitating on the HP M553n was that the specs claim
> support for "HP postscript level 3 emulation," which seems to be not the
> same thing as actual postscript. It would also be swell if I could avoid
> complications like hplip.
That printer also speaks PCL and PDF, which frees you from using
hplip (which is primarily intended for HP inkpee printers). You
can use gs to "preprocess" the printing program's output PS to
fit the printer, and you can - if intended - incorporate PPD
set-up instructions if you want to address specific printer
facilities or behaviour.
> One thing I like about
> HP is that they seem to make consumables for many years after the
> product is discontinued. Toner, fusers etc. are still available for the
> old 4550N after these many years.
Few years ago, I even got new "rubber parts" for a HP Laserjet 4! :-)
--
Polytropon
Magdeburg, Germany
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Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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On Sun, 14 May 2017, Chris Hill wrote:
> OP here.
>
> First, thanks to all for your responses.
>
> Second, let me clarify that I would really prefer to stay away from CUPS if
> possible. I use lpr and printcap, with occasional printing from applications
> whose names start with "gn." What I'm after is a printer that works out of
> the box with minimal hassle.
>
> My main reason for hesitating on the HP M553n was that the specs claim
> support for "HP postscript level 3 emulation," which seems to be not the same
> thing as actual postscript.
Actual PostScript has license fees. But HP's emulated PostScript is
quite good and very mature. It is unlikely to find a incompatibility.
> It would also be swell if I could avoid complications like hplip.
Since the printer accepts PostScript, you can avoid the complication of
CUPS and hplip and all that stuff. Send the PS file straight to the
printer. That can be done with various protocols: HP port 9100, LPD,
even FTP. To use some features of the printer like duplexing, it might
be necessary to modify the header of the PS file. This can be done with
scripts that modify the file as it is sent to a print queue. A couple
of simple examples of such filters are shown in the printing chapter of
the Handbook. It would be nice to add examples of printing duplex or
other options, although some of them vary from printer to printer. CUPS
uses the PPD file to get each printer's abilities, but I've never found
the complexity worth it.
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El dÃÂa domingo, mayo 14, 2017 a las 04:41:11p. m. +0200, Polytropon escribió:
> > > I wonder if anyone can offer advice on a new printer. My old HP 4550N
> > > has finally given up the ghost after more than 16 years of semi-faithful
> > > service.
> > >
> > > I'm looking for a color laser printer with ethernet interface and
> > > Postscript comprehension. I'm currently looking at the HP M553n and the
> > > Xerox Phaser 6515DN, but if you have other suggestions, ideas,
> > > caveats... I'd love to hear them. Thanks.
I'm using with FreeBSD 12-CURRENT (with cups 2.2.2) a printer/scanner,
a HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP M277
works fine with:
- Postscript
- PCL
- scans and sends the scan to configured e-mail addr as PDF or JPEG
- configuration via browser
it could do outbound fax as well, but unused/untested by me
matthias
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On Mon, 15 May 2017 03:48:20 +0200 Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wrote:
> On Sun, 14 May 2017 20:40:43 -0400 (EDT), Chris Hill wrote:
>> Second, let me clarify that I would really prefer to stay away from CUPS
>> if possible. I use lpr and printcap, with occasional printing from
>> applications whose names start with "gn." What I'm after is a printer
>> that works out of the box with minimal hassle.
>
> So you'd be best prepared with a printer that understands PS or PCL.
> You can generate PCL easily with gs (called via printcap), and PS is
> no problem because it's the default printing output format of all
> applications anyway.
The standard print format for applications has been PDF for a while now:
https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/openprinting/pdf_as_standard_print_job_format
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On Mon, 15 May 2017 13:59:30 +0200, Tijl Coosemans stated:
> On Mon, 15 May 2017 03:48:20 +0200 Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de>
> wrote:
> > On Sun, 14 May 2017 20:40:43 -0400 (EDT), Chris Hill wrote: =20
> >> Second, let me clarify that I would really prefer to stay away
> >> from CUPS if possible. I use lpr and printcap, with occasional
> >> printing from applications whose names start with "gn." What I'm
> >> after is a printer that works out of the box with minimal
> >> hassle. =20
> >=20
> > So you'd be best prepared with a printer that understands PS or PCL.
> > You can generate PCL easily with gs (called via printcap), and PS is
> > no problem because it's the default printing output format of all
> > applications anyway. =20
>=20
> The standard print format for applications has been PDF for a while
> now:
> https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/openprinting/pdf_as_standard_print_job_f=
ormat
Over a year ago, I reported that PDF was the new "standard".
Personally, I believe that PDF is superior to and more readily accepted
than PS.
In any case, yesterdays "standards" will be obsoleted by todays
"standards", which in turn will be mothballed by tomorrow's more
technologically advanced "standards".
I love standards, there are so many too choose from. The only thing
"standard" about a "standard" is that it will be superseded by another
"standard". That is why I try to not get too attached to any one
"standard".
--=20
Carmel
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On 2017-05-14 17:19, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sun, 14 May 2017 08:05:50 +0000, Thomas Mueller wrote:
>> My luck with HP has been bad, enough to dissuade me from buying
>> any more HP products.
> I always suggest to check http://hplipopensource.com/ _before_
> actually buying something.
>
Check this page before buying a printer
http://www.openprinting.org/printers
And this one for scanners
http://sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html
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Hi,
Something I caution people about.... although the printers on
openprinting.org work for Linux, there are issues. Be careful to read
if any of them have additional 'linux' driver software... aka not being
completely open. They provide binary drivers (like some from Brother)
and cause issues. So far, HP has done well with HPLIP, but they really
should get it up to speed with similar functionality to the Windoze
software.
P.
On 5/15/2017 10:26 AM, Bernt Hansson wrote:
> On 2017-05-14 17:19, Polytropon wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 May 2017 08:05:50 +0000, Thomas Mueller wrote:
>>> My luck with HP has been bad, enough to dissuade me from buying
>>> any more HP products.
>> I always suggest to check http://hplipopensource.com/ _before_
>> actually buying something.
>>
> Check this page before buying a printer
>
> http://www.openprinting.org/printers
>
> And this one for scanners
>
> http://sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html
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> Hi,
>
> Something I caution people about.... although the printers on
> openprinting.org work for Linux, there are issues. Be careful to read
> if any of them have additional 'linux' driver software... aka not being
> completely open. They provide binary drivers (like some from Brother)
> and cause issues. So far, HP has done well with HPLIP, but they really
I got the Brother binary drivers working easily enough by running
CUPS in a Centos userland in a jail. In theory they can be got to work in a
FreeBSD install of CUPS but you have to get everything into place by hand
and I never managed to get it right.
--
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Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:
> I got the Brother binary drivers working easily enough by
> running CUPS in a Centos userland in a jail.
Whats the advantage of that over using Linux CUPS under
the ordinary /usr/compat/linux/ Centos install?
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On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 06:41:48PM +0200, Trust No 1 via freebsd-questions wrote:
> I would like to buy a used HP z800 workstation to build a new
> upcoming 11.1 system and replace my Dell T7400 (running 10.3).
Seems more like a sidewise-swap, rather than an upgrade going by
the specs on either system, although perhaps you get to run 5 gens out
on the Intel CPU rather than 6 gens out on the Intel CPU, depending on
what CPU you end up in either. I'd probably spend the money on a little
bit newer.
> And, VERY important for me, is the possibility to have a raid-5 system
> because I will use it also as a repository for all the photos of my
> family.
Going by HP support docs, the Z800 could have two different RAID
configs. Either an Intel RAID system, which was a software RAID
combined with Windows drivers, or an LSI based RAID system appropriate
for the era. eg. LSI pretty much has made all the hardware RAID controllers
since this time, they all act about the same.
I don't know anything about the HP Workstations, but if they are anything
like the servers, one thing I don't like about them is their RAID
systems only will take HP firmware disks, and refuse to work with
anything else.
LSI RAID and HBA cards of the era will also only take up to 2TB disks
max (well, maybe only 1TB, since that is the biggest listed drive as
part of the spec sheet), but 2TB is the max the controller chip supports.
I'd really strongly suggest doing ZFS instead directly on FreeBSD
rather than RAID-5 hardware RAID card. Having direct access to the
disks for control & monitoring really makes a nice combination. Turn
on SMART monitoring, and you'll start catching drive fails super early
before it really goes south on you, and the ZFS file system will protect
against bitrot and let you setup a number of different configurations
emphasizing whatever is most important to you.
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So, I've been running ZFS root mirror across 2 spinning disks, and I'm
upgrading my home server/nas and planning on running root on a spare SSD.
However, I'm unsure if it'd be better to run UFS as a single drive root
instead of ZFS, although I do love all of the ZFS features (snapshots, COW,
scrubbing, etc) and would still like to keep that for my root drive, even
if I'm not mirroring at all. I do notice that FreeBSD has TRIM support for
ZFS (see http://open-zfs.org/wiki/Features#TRIM_Support).
So is there a good reason NOT to run ZFS root on a single drive SSD?
--Aaron
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RW via freebsd-questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote:
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> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:
>
> > I got the Brother binary drivers working easily enough by
> > running CUPS in a Centos userland in a jail.
>
> Whats the advantage of that over using Linux CUPS under
> the ordinary /usr/compat/linux/ Centos install?
The install scripts work in a jail, using compat you would have to
put everything in place by hand so you might as well use FreeBSD CUPS.
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Subject: Re: ZFS root on single SSD?
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On 16/05/2017 06:45, Aaron wrote:
> So, I've been running ZFS root mirror across 2 spinning disks, and I'm
> upgrading my home server/nas and planning on running root on a spare SS=
D.
> However, I'm unsure if it'd be better to run UFS as a single drive root=
> instead of ZFS, although I do love all of the ZFS features (snapshots, =
COW,
> scrubbing, etc) and would still like to keep that for my root drive, ev=
en
> if I'm not mirroring at all. I do notice that FreeBSD has TRIM support =
for
> ZFS (see http://open-zfs.org/wiki/Features#TRIM_Support).
>=20
> So is there a good reason NOT to run ZFS root on a single drive SSD?
No. Running ZFS on a single device works fine, although you obviously
don't benefit from all the really nice resilience features.
The choice between UFS2 and ZFS basically comes down to three points:
* performance -- for certain IO patterns, UFS can out-perform ZFS
quite markedly. Particularly the sort of small, randomly distributed
IOs you get with a RDBMS. Of course, for database use, the additional
data security you get from ZFS makes it desirable despite this.
* system resources -- ZFS is memory hungry. This is not a problem on
most contemporary machines, which tend to have sufficient RAM, but older
machines, VMs or appliances may struggle.
* data security -- the integrated checksumming in ZFS provides
assurance that the data you're reading now is the same as what you wrote
previously. Now, this is almost always the case with UFS2 (would be
entirely useless if not), but there is no actual guarantee of it, and
silent data corruption is possible[*]. If you're handling data which is
really important or in particularly large volumes or where your hardware
may prove deficient, then ZFS is indicated.
Cheers,
Matthew
[*] With only one drive and one copy of each file, ZFS cannot provide
resilience against data errors, but it will prevent it going unnoticed.
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Hello,
On 05/16/2017 03:39 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> On 16/05/2017 06:45, Aaron wrote:
>> So, I've been running ZFS root mirror across 2 spinning disks, and I'm
>> upgrading my home server/nas and planning on running root on a spare SSD.
>> However, I'm unsure if it'd be better to run UFS as a single drive root
>> instead of ZFS, although I do love all of the ZFS features (snapshots, COW,
>> scrubbing, etc) and would still like to keep that for my root drive, even
>> if I'm not mirroring at all. I do notice that FreeBSD has TRIM support for
>> ZFS (see http://open-zfs.org/wiki/Features#TRIM_Support).
>>
>> So is there a good reason NOT to run ZFS root on a single drive SSD?
>
> No. Running ZFS on a single device works fine, although you obviously
> don't benefit from all the really nice resilience features.
>
> The choice between UFS2 and ZFS basically comes down to three points:
>
> * performance -- for certain IO patterns, UFS can out-perform ZFS
> quite markedly. Particularly the sort of small, randomly distributed
> IOs you get with a RDBMS. Of course, for database use, the additional
> data security you get from ZFS makes it desirable despite this.
>
> * system resources -- ZFS is memory hungry. This is not a problem on
> most contemporary machines, which tend to have sufficient RAM, but older
> machines, VMs or appliances may struggle.
>
> * data security -- the integrated checksumming in ZFS provides
> assurance that the data you're reading now is the same as what you wrote
> previously. Now, this is almost always the case with UFS2 (would be
> entirely useless if not), but there is no actual guarantee of it, and
> silent data corruption is possible[*]. If you're handling data which is
> really important or in particularly large volumes or where your hardware
> may prove deficient, then ZFS is indicated.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Matthew
>
> [*] With only one drive and one copy of each file, ZFS cannot provide
> resilience against data errors, but it will prevent it going unnoticed.
>
I'd add only that while a mirrored zpool offers some data protection, it
is *not* an effective "backup" solution for important data. Drive
failure during resilver after a drive replacement does occur. If there's
important data on the drive, backing it up to a different medium is
still essential, whether it's a mirrored pool or a single drive pool.
[Leaned once the hard way]â„¢
--
Jim Ohlstein
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> I'd add only that while a mirrored zpool offers some data protection, it
> is *not* an effective "backup" solution for important data. Drive
> failure during resilver after a drive replacement does occur. If there's
> important data on the drive, backing it up to a different medium is
> still essential, whether it's a mirrored pool or a single drive pool.
> [Leaned once the hard way]â„¢
Relatesd typical CTO or IT superior management or executive
statement: "We don't need backup, we have RAID!" ;-)
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LOL, well, this is my home system, and but I do recognize that RAID !=3D
backup (have CrashPlan for that), and even mirror can fail on a rebuild. I
was just trying to gauge if it was an actual bad idea, or just a "meh,
whatever dude, probably won't hurt".
@Matt
Usage pattern will be basically general system processes, and quite
possibly several bhyve VMs, things like CrashPlan (stupid lack of FreeBSD
support) and a few game server VMs, although for the games I'll almost
certainly have the data hosted via shares onto my ZFS array which is my
primary data storage.
System resources...I've got 12C/24T, 72GB RDIMM memory. It'll be fine. I've
actually been running zroot mirror & raidz array with 12GB memory and an
old Athlon II dual core. So should be fine. I can swap out some 4GB dimms
for 8GB dimms if I need more memory.
Data security, that's where I'd like ZFS for, for the checksumming & such,
even though I won't get drive failure protection. Still, I've had the SSD
running and in use on a different machine for a while, so if it was going
to just have a controller failure or something it would have had it by now,
so should be fine. And I'll backup configs & such just in case anyway.
--Aaron
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 4:23 AM, Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wrote:
> On Tue, 16 May 2017 06:34:38 -0400, jim@ohlste.in wrote:
> > I'd add only that while a mirrored zpool offers some data protection, i=
t
> > is *not* an effective "backup" solution for important data. Drive
> > failure during resilver after a drive replacement does occur. If there'=
s
> > important data on the drive, backing it up to a different medium is
> > still essential, whether it's a mirrored pool or a single drive pool.
> > [Leaned once the hard way]=E2=84=A2
>
> Relatesd typical CTO or IT superior management or executive
> statement: "We don't need backup, we have RAID!" ;-)
>
>
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On Mon 2017-05-15 22:45:19 UTC-0700, Aaron (drizzt321@gmail.com) wrote:
> So, I've been running ZFS root mirror across 2 spinning disks, and I'm
> upgrading my home server/nas and planning on running root on a spare SSD.
> However, I'm unsure if it'd be better to run UFS as a single drive root
> instead of ZFS, although I do love all of the ZFS features (snapshots, COW,
> scrubbing, etc) and would still like to keep that for my root drive, even
> if I'm not mirroring at all. I do notice that FreeBSD has TRIM support for
> ZFS (see http://open-zfs.org/wiki/Features#TRIM_Support).
ICYMI, FreeBSD also has TRIM support for UFS. See the -t flag for the
newfs command.
> So is there a good reason NOT to run ZFS root on a single drive SSD?
A good question that I've often wondered about.
The first reply at
https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?threads/single-drive-zfs.35515/
hints at metadata corruption on a pool located entirely on a single
magnetic drive possibly leading to failure of the entire pool, and
given the lack of easy to use repair tools for ZFS, would require a
rebuild. I think in reality this would be quite rare though, and
hopefully wouldn't be a huge issue anyway provided you keep regular
backups.
Using an SSD might change things a little should the drive begin to
fail, but I get the impression modern SSDs tend to fail a bit more
gracefully than the old ones. I've no experience here and am
interested in any anecdata.
Keep in mind you also have other options, such as splitting the drive
into separate UFS and ZFS partitions, or creating a ZFS pool from a
file on UFS. The latter probably has performance drawbacks, but they
might be negated by the performance of the SSD.
Regards
Andrew
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--Aaron
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 3:24 PM, andrew clarke <mail@ozzmosis.com> wrote:
> On Mon 2017-05-15 22:45:19 UTC-0700, Aaron (drizzt321@gmail.com) wrote:
>
> > So, I've been running ZFS root mirror across 2 spinning disks, and I'm
> > upgrading my home server/nas and planning on running root on a spare SSD.
> > However, I'm unsure if it'd be better to run UFS as a single drive root
> > instead of ZFS, although I do love all of the ZFS features (snapshots,
> COW,
> > scrubbing, etc) and would still like to keep that for my root drive, even
> > if I'm not mirroring at all. I do notice that FreeBSD has TRIM support
> for
> > ZFS (see http://open-zfs.org/wiki/Features#TRIM_Support).
>
> ICYMI, FreeBSD also has TRIM support for UFS. See the -t flag for the
> newfs command.
>
Ah, I guess I just assumed UFS had it, I hadn't actually checked. Thanks!
>
> > So is there a good reason NOT to run ZFS root on a single drive SSD?
>
> A good question that I've often wondered about.
>
> The first reply at
>
> https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?threads/single-drive-zfs.35515/
>
> hints at metadata corruption on a pool located entirely on a single
> magnetic drive possibly leading to failure of the entire pool, and
> given the lack of easy to use repair tools for ZFS, would require a
> rebuild. I think in reality this would be quite rare though, and
> hopefully wouldn't be a huge issue anyway provided you keep regular
> backups.
>
> Using an SSD might change things a little should the drive begin to
> fail, but I get the impression modern SSDs tend to fail a bit more
> gracefully than the old ones. I've no experience here and am
> interested in any anecdata.
>
> Keep in mind you also have other options, such as splitting the drive
> into separate UFS and ZFS partitions, or creating a ZFS pool from a
> file on UFS. The latter probably has performance drawbacks, but they
> might be negated by the performance of the SSD.
>
> Regards
> Andrew
>
I think most modern SSDs have pretty good checks because of how they use
MLC/TLC NAND and how it fails. The biggest thing I can think of is a
controller/board failure, rather than suddenly having massive number of
blocks fail. However, it is a point that without copies=2 (or more) while
bit-rot/corruption would be detectable, it wouldn't be possible to
re-construct the bad blocks.
Side note, copies=2 resiliency test (
http://jrs-s.net/2016/05/09/testing-copies-equals-n-resiliency/), rather
interesting, although I probably won't be using it, at least not for an SSD.
--Aaron
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Hello,
I've got a FreeBSd 10.3 vps. Today it started giving me:
swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 249488, size: 16384
When it does this my ssh session becomes unresponsive. The vps service
offers out of ban services so that I can have an ssh serial console
access. This issue even locks up the console. The only solution is a
reboot.
I've read that the issue is one of paging and swap not being able to
be written to disk.
The disks are all virtual I do not believe these disks can go bad so
I'm assuming it's software or system configuration.
I'd appreciate any suggestions.
Thanks.
Dave.
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On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 8:10 PM, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I've got a FreeBSd 10.3 vps. Today it started giving me:
>
> swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 249488, size: 16384
>
> When it does this my ssh session becomes unresponsive. The vps service
> offers out of ban services so that I can have an ssh serial console
> access. This issue even locks up the console. The only solution is a
> reboot.
>
> I've read that the issue is one of paging and swap not being able to
> be written to disk.
>
> The disks are all virtual I do not believe these disks can go bad so
> I'm assuming it's software or system configuration.
>
> I'd appreciate any suggestions.
>
What is the output of:
# swapinfo
--
Adam
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Hello,
Here's my swapinfo, though it was obtained after a server reboot, it froze up.
#swapinfo
Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity
/dev/md98 1780352 36 1780316 0%
/dev/md99 1036216 44 1036172 0%
Total 2816568 80 2816488 0%
Thanks.
Dave.
On 5/16/17, Adam Vande More <amvandemore@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 8:10 PM, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I've got a FreeBSd 10.3 vps. Today it started giving me:
>>
>> swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 249488, size: 16384
>>
>> When it does this my ssh session becomes unresponsive. The vps service
>> offers out of ban services so that I can have an ssh serial console
>> access. This issue even locks up the console. The only solution is a
>> reboot.
>>
>> I've read that the issue is one of paging and swap not being able to
>> be written to disk.
>>
>> The disks are all virtual I do not believe these disks can go bad so
>> I'm assuming it's software or system configuration.
>>
>> I'd appreciate any suggestions.
>>
>
> What is the output of:
> # swapinfo
>
> --
> Adam
>
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On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 9:30 PM, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Here's my swapinfo, though it was obtained after a server reboot, it froze
> up.
>
> #swapinfo
> Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity
> /dev/md98 1780352 36 1780316 0%
> /dev/md99 1036216 44 1036172 0%
> Total 2816568 80 2816488 0%
>
And what is the output of:
# mdconfig -lv
The short answer though is use a real swap device eg a separate "real" disk
or partition. Even having no swap device is better than the above config
when under memory pressure.
--
Adam
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Hello,
Here's the mdconfig output:
#mdconfig -lv
md0 swap 512M
md98 vnode 1739M /swapfile1
md99 vnode 1012M /swapfile
Any idea why this is freezing? I've not made server changes.
Thanks.
Dave.
On 5/16/17, Adam Vande More <amvandemore@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 9:30 PM, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Here's my swapinfo, though it was obtained after a server reboot, it
>> froze
>> up.
>>
>> #swapinfo
>> Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity
>> /dev/md98 1780352 36 1780316 0%
>> /dev/md99 1036216 44 1036172 0%
>> Total 2816568 80 2816488 0%
>>
>
> And what is the output of:
> # mdconfig -lv
>
> The short answer though is use a real swap device eg a separate "real" disk
> or partition. Even having no swap device is better than the above config
> when under memory pressure.
>
> --
> Adam
>
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Hello,
I'm using gpg2 (from the ports) which supports a so called GnuPG smart
card, i.e. the private key is stored in some CCID SIM (the card, which
sits in a small USB stick) and access to the private gpg key is secured
by a PIN entry, not a passphrase. This works fine and is very secure for
using gpg on many hosts because you do not have to pollute all these
hosts with your secret key material which could be copied (i.e. stolen)
by anyone, for example even IP personal, having priv access to your
workspace(s)).
gpg2 brings a gpg-agent, to which gpg2 commands communicate, for example
'gpg2 --card-status' and which in turn connects to the daemon
/usr/local/sbin/pcscd (as well in ports) which has the communication to
special GnuPG-card. All you need is the PIN defined for the card.
I use the HID Global OMNIKEY 6121 Smart Card Reader and the GnuPG-card
produced here in Germany.
On the other hand, the gpg-agent can also substitute the ssh-agent as a dro=
pin.
One exports the ssh public key for the remote ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
with:
$ gpg2 --export-ssh-key ID > ssh.pub
kills the (old) 'ssh-agent' and starts a 'gpg-agent':
$ ssh-agent -k
$ gpg2 --card-status
(the latter launches as well the gpg-agent)
$ unset SSH_AGENT_PID
$ unset SSH_AUTH_SOCK
$ if [ "${gnupg_SSH_AUTH_SOCK_by:-0}" -ne $$ ]; then export SSH_=
AUTH_SOCK=3D"$(gpgconf --list-dirs agent-ssh-socket)"; fi
$ env | grep SSH
SSH_AUTH_SOCK=3D/home/guru/.gnupg-ccid/S.gpg-agent.ssh
Now 'ssh-add -l' will contact not the 'ssh-agent', but the 'gpg-agent':
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and on first access to the key with
$ ssh id@remote-server
the secret key is needed and 'gpg-agent' uses /usr/local/bin/pinentry or
/usr/local/bin/pinentry-qt5 to request the PIN. Further ssh commands
find the card already unlocked (until disconnect of the USB stick) and
no PIN is needed anymore.
So far so good and the same works this way for signing e-mails, etc.
What I now want to get is using this too while booting the system which
has the root and user partition geli(8) crypted. I.e. boot a mini system
=66rom some un-encrypted USB stick which has only /boot, /etc/fstab and
enough files to make gpg2, gpg-agent and /usr/local/sbin/pcscd working,
including shared libs needed by these. On a very early stage the gpg2
decrypts the keyfile for geli(8) which was encrypted by gpg2 using the
public key of the card. Than the rest of the partitions are attached
with 'geli attach' using on STDIN the keyfile decrypted on the flight
with gpg2. So the unencrypted keyfile is never stored onto the USB boot
key.
This would lead to a system (netbook) which never can be booted or
otherwise data read from and you can only boot it with the USB boot key,
the USB GnuPG-card and the PIN (normally 6 digits).
Any comments on this?
matthias
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On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 9:55 PM, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Here's the mdconfig output:
>
> #mdconfig -lv
> md0 swap 512M
> md98 vnode 1739M /swapfile1
> md99 vnode 1012M /swapfile
>
>
> Any idea why this is freezing? I've not made server changes.
>
Yeah it's freezing because it's having swap issues. That's made pretty
clear in the error message.
If that's the way your VPS provider provisions system by default, I would
consider getting another provider. That configuration is doomed to fail
under memory pressure.
--
Adam
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Hello,
So, I should delete the two swap file files. Would that solve the issue?
Thanks.
Dave.
On 5/17/17, Adam Vande More <amvandemore@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 9:55 PM, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Here's the mdconfig output:
>>
>> #mdconfig -lv
>> md0 swap 512M
>> md98 vnode 1739M /swapfile1
>> md99 vnode 1012M /swapfile
>>
>>
>> Any idea why this is freezing? I've not made server changes.
>>
>
> Yeah it's freezing because it's having swap issues. That's made pretty
> clear in the error message.
>
> If that's the way your VPS provider provisions system by default, I would
> consider getting another provider. That configuration is doomed to fail
> under memory pressure.
>
> --
> Adam
>
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On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 9:53 AM, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> So, I should delete the two swap file files. Would that solve the issue?
>
> Thanks.
> Dave.
>
>
If it was me I would remove the devices from swap, destroy the devices,
eliminate anything that is generating that setup, add a small swap backed
by a real device.
That would solve your swap issue. As to what other issues your provider
has gifted you with, who can say.
--
Adam
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Hello,
Is the md0 a swap partition or is it anothe vnode device?
Thanks.
Dave.
On 5/17/17, Adam Vande More <amvandemore@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 9:53 AM, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> So, I should delete the two swap file files. Would that solve the issue?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Dave.
>>
>>
> If it was me I would remove the devices from swap, destroy the devices,
> eliminate anything that is generating that setup, add a small swap backed
> by a real device.
>
> That would solve your swap issue. As to what other issues your provider
> has gifted you with, who can say.
>
> --
> Adam
>
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On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 10:19 AM, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com>
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> Hello,
>
> Is the md0 a swap partition or is it anothe vnode device?
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>
It's not a swap partition but needs to be removed because it's backed by
swap. If you attempt to remove the other two without removing it first it
will fail.
man mdconfig
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All right
I am running 2 quad core 1.7MHz Xeon and 16 GB ECC RAM.
Stuff like openjdk7 / openjdk8 / Webitgtk is
taking huge amount of memory to compile
and soetimes the process stop and is incomplete.
Any pointers to rectify this issue?
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On 5/17/2017 6:57 PM, The Doctor wrote:
All right
I am running 2 quad core 1.7MHz Xeon and 16 GB ECC RAM.
Stuff like openjdk7 / openjdk8 / Webitgtk is
taking huge amount of memory to compile
and soetimes the process stop and is incomplete.
Any pointers to rectify this issue?
Snipping the basketcase signature as well... But try not using all cores to build in parallel. The more compilation units being built at the same time, the more memory.
HTH,
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On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 07:00:08PM -0400, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> On 5/17/2017 6:57 PM, The Doctor wrote:
>
> All right
>
> I am running 2 quad core 1.7MHz Xeon and 16 GB ECC RAM.
>
> Stuff like openjdk7 / openjdk8 / Webitgtk is
> taking huge amount of memory to compile
>
> and soetimes the process stop and is incomplete.
>
> Any pointers to rectify this issue?
>
> Snipping the basketcase signature as well... But try not using all cores to build in parallel. The more compilation units being built at the same time, the more memory.
> HTH,
>
>
>
All right in /etc/make.conf how do you tell
not to build in parallel?
>
> --
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> Take Care,
> Tyler Littlefield
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> Tyler Littlefield Consulting: website development and business
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On 18 May 2017 at 11:25, The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
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> All right in /etc/make.conf how do you tell
> not to build in parallel?
Add:
MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER=1
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On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 11:29:38AM +1200, Jonathan Chen wrote:
> On 18 May 2017 at 11:25, The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
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> > All right in /etc/make.conf how do you tell
> > not to build in parallel?
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> Add:
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Just did.
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On Tue 2017-05-16 16:00:15 UTC-0700, Aaron (drizzt321@gmail.com) wrote:
> I think most modern SSDs have pretty good checks because of how they use
> MLC/TLC NAND and how it fails. The biggest thing I can think of is a
> controller/board failure, rather than suddenly having massive number of
> blocks fail. However, it is a point that without copies=2 (or more) while
> bit-rot/corruption would be detectable, it wouldn't be possible to
> re-construct the bad blocks.
Hmm, yes. How likely is a controller board failure, though? No more
likely than a HDD controller failure, I'd have thought.
> Side note, copies=2 resiliency test (
> http://jrs-s.net/2016/05/09/testing-copies-equals-n-resiliency/), rather
> interesting, although I probably won't be using it, at least not for an SSD.
Ah, this is something I was wanting to experiment with for a few years
but never got around to it. The only difference was I would've written
the file corruption program in Python! :-) Good stuff.
Regards
Andrew
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The big question is what availability do you need on this server? As its a
home system I guess not as much as say an enterprise one. Therefore I would
imagine all the benefits of manageability that come with zfs will out weigh
the downside, even if running on a single volume. Boot environments are a
really big thing to safe guard yourself during upgrade time. Although in
theory you could do something with ufs its never going to be as good as
with zfs. Also remember mirroring isnt backup, mirroring is about
availability. Therefore live with a single drive, but backup the contents
regularly.
On 16 May 2017 at 06:45, Aaron <drizzt321@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, I've been running ZFS root mirror across 2 spinning disks, and I'm
> upgrading my home server/nas and planning on running root on a spare SSD.
> However, I'm unsure if it'd be better to run UFS as a single drive root
> instead of ZFS, although I do love all of the ZFS features (snapshots, COW,
> scrubbing, etc) and would still like to keep that for my root drive, even
> if I'm not mirroring at all. I do notice that FreeBSD has TRIM support for
> ZFS (see http://open-zfs.org/wiki/Features#TRIM_Support).
>
> So is there a good reason NOT to run ZFS root on a single drive SSD?
>
> --Aaron
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...
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Should there be support for this adapter? Any support planned?
Any pointers where to ask further or what else to try?
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On 17/05/2017 16:26, Adam Vande More wrote:
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 10:19 AM, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Is the md0 a swap partition or is it anothe vnode device?
>>
>>
> It's not a swap partition but needs to be removed because it's backed by
> swap. If you attempt to remove the other two without removing it first it
> will fail.
>
> man mdconfig
>
Good evening.
Sorry for the late chime in, but I too had been having this issue. My
VPS was on a Xen HVM, which had issues with vimage/vnet (server crashed
every time I added epair devices to bridge), so they removed the Xen
layer and i am now using em0 device for networking. However, from time
to time the system shows symptoms similar to what OP described (I have a
screenshot of the KVM console in the browser, which I can post if anyone
is interested). My system is not on md device -- they are on ada device,
and I have twice the size of RAM as swap space. What I have found to be
more confusing, even though this particular VPS in London is supposed to
have better spec than my very old VPS in Texas, the Texan one (FreeBSD
9.x, several jails but not in VNET) performs much better and is more
resilient on resources than the FreeBSD 11.x VNET jails in London. Like
the OP, I have to occasionally reset the server just to get my services
back (including SSH).
If you need me to run further tests or need more information, please let
me know and I'll try my best to provide.
Best regards
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I installed the Arduino 1.6.12 package on FreeBSD 11. The install went fine.=
I added the appropriate URL to the preferences dialog, but the "Board Manag=
er" doesn't appear at the top of Board pop up menu. Has anyone solved this?
Brad
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On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Brad Salai <bsalai@gmail.com> wrote:
> I installed the Arduino 1.6.12 package on FreeBSD 11. The install went
> fine. I added the appropriate URL to the preferences dialog, but the "Board
> Manager" doesn't appear at the top of Board pop up menu. Has anyone solved
> this?
> Brad
>
>
My apologies, I meant to CC the list originally. An explanation, for anyone
else curious:
I actually explicitly patch out the board manager because it won't
necessarily function the way you would expect it to on other platforms
since it downloads not only the core but platform-specific tools, and
FreeBSD isn't officially supported upstream.
Brad indicated to me off-list that he's wishing to use an ESP8266/NodeMCU
board- this is a WIP at the moment now that I have a unit to test with.
Obstacles in the form of binutils strangeness and life have gotten in the
way since I received the unit, but work is resuming on this and I hope to
have an esp8266 toolchain worked out fairly soon.
Thanks,
Kyle Evans
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> On Wed, 2017-05-17 at 12:38 Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de> wrote:
>
>Hello,
>
>I'm using gpg2 (from the ports) which supports a so called GnuPG smart
>card, i.e. the private key is stored in some CCID SIM (the card, which
>sits in a small USB stick) and access to the private gpg key is secured
>by a PIN entry, not a passphrase. This works fine and is very secure
>for using gpg on many hosts because you do not have to pollute all
>these hosts with your secret key material which could be copied (i.e.
>stolen) by anyone, for example even IP personal, having priv access to
>your workspace(s)).
>
>gpg2 brings a gpg-agent, to which gpg2 commands communicate, for
>example 'gpg2 --card-status' and which in turn connects to the daemon
>/usr/local/sbin/pcscd (as well in ports) which has the communication to
>special GnuPG-card. All you need is the PIN defined for the card.
>
>I use the HID Global OMNIKEY 6121 Smart Card Reader and the GnuPG-card
>produced here in Germany.
>
>On the other hand, the gpg-agent can also substitute the ssh-agent as
>a dropin. One exports the ssh public key for the remote
>~/.ssh/authorized_keys with:
>
>$ gpg2 --export-ssh-key ID > ssh.pub
>
>kills the (old) 'ssh-agent' and starts a 'gpg-agent':
>
>$ ssh-agent -k
>$ gpg2 --card-status
>(the latter launches as well the gpg-agent)
>
>$ unset SSH_AGENT_PID
>$ unset SSH_AUTH_SOCK
>$ if [ "${gnupg_SSH_AUTH_SOCK_by:-0}" -ne $$ ]; then export
>SSH_AUTH_SOCK="$(gpgconf --list-dirs agent-ssh-socket)"; fi $
>env | grep SSH SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/home/guru/.gnupg-ccid/S.gpg-agent.ssh
>
>Now 'ssh-add -l' will contact not the 'ssh-agent', but the 'gpg-agent':
>
>$ ssh-add -l
>4096 SHA256:lo2xgyFAnSXz6HNMELNZogJEfyj7XEKZiHIHg+e1DFw
>cardno:00050000532B (RSA)
>
>and on first access to the key with
>
>$ ssh id@remote-server
>
>the secret key is needed and 'gpg-agent' uses /usr/local/bin/pinentry
>or /usr/local/bin/pinentry-qt5 to request the PIN. Further ssh commands
>find the card already unlocked (until disconnect of the USB stick) and
>no PIN is needed anymore.
>
>So far so good and the same works this way for signing e-mails, etc.
>
>What I now want to get is using this too while booting the system which
>has the root and user partition geli(8) crypted. I.e. boot a mini
>system from some un-encrypted USB stick which has
>only /boot, /etc/fstab and enough files to make gpg2, gpg-agent
>and /usr/local/sbin/pcscd working, including shared libs needed by
>these. On a very early stage the gpg2 decrypts the keyfile for geli(8)
>which was encrypted by gpg2 using the public key of the card. Than the
>rest of the partitions are attached with 'geli attach' using on STDIN
>the keyfile decrypted on the flight with gpg2. So the unencrypted
>keyfile is never stored onto the USB boot key.
>
>This would lead to a system (netbook) which never can be booted or
>otherwise data read from and you can only boot it with the USB boot
>key, the USB GnuPG-card and the PIN (normally 6 digits).
>
>Any comments on this?
>
> matthias
>
Hello Matthias,
I agree with your idea. Some time ago I did some research to find out
a method to read the password from a USB memory stick but was not
successful. I was not concerned with disk encryption, just wanted a
very long password, automatic login and no system access without a
hardware key. Do not know if the situation has changed and do not know
the serious downsides of this approach. Clearly, the addition of disk
encryption would make systems, especially laptops, even more secure.
Perhaps a compromise would be to encrypt a /home partition and use the
card reader for access.
Cheers ...
Marek
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On Fri, 19 May 2017 10:19:06 -0400
mfv via freebsd-questions wrote:
> >This would lead to a system (netbook) which never can be booted or
> >otherwise data read from and you can only boot it with the USB boot
> >key, the USB GnuPG-card and the PIN (normally 6 digits).
6 digits doesn't sound very secure.
> >Any comments on this?
> >
> > matthias
> >
>
> Hello Matthias,
>
> I agree with your idea. Some time ago I did some research to find out
> a method to read the password from a USB memory stick but was not
> successful. I was not concerned with disk encryption, just wanted a
> very long password, automatic login and no system access without a
> hardware key.
A geli device can be set-up to use a passphrase and/or a passfile. You
could just put the passfile on a memory stick and not use
a passphrase at all.
FWIW I use a passfile to attach geli encrypted partitions, but the
passfile is stored in a small geli encrypted file-backed md device
that's passphrase protected. I did this just to avoid having to type any
more than I need to, but that backing file could just as easily be on a
memory stick.
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El d=C3=ADa viernes, mayo 19, 2017 a las 04:14:16p. m. +0100, RW via freebs=
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> On Fri, 19 May 2017 10:19:06 -0400
> mfv via freebsd-questions wrote:
>=20
>=20
> > >This would lead to a system (netbook) which never can be booted or
> > >otherwise data read from and you can only boot it with the USB boot
> > >key, the USB GnuPG-card and the PIN (normally 6 digits).
>=20
>=20
> 6 digits doesn't sound very secure.
You can use as may digits you want (and can remember). Already 6 is
*very* secure because you have only 3 time to guess the right one, i.e.
no brute force.
>=20
> > >Any comments on this?
> > >
> > > matthias
> > > =20
> >=20
> > Hello Matthias,
> >=20
> > I agree with your idea. Some time ago I did some research to find out
> > a method to read the password from a USB memory stick but was not
> > successful. I was not concerned with disk encryption, just wanted a
> > very long password, automatic login and no system access without a
> > hardware key. =20
>=20
> A geli device can be set-up to use a passphrase and/or a passfile. You
> could just put the passfile on a memory stick and not use
> a passphrase at all.
*This* is very insecure when the key gets stolen or copied (i.e. you may
even not know that someone all the time can enter in your system). When
the GnuPG stick gets stolen, it is useless for attackers due to missing
PIN.
> FWIW I use a passfile to attach geli encrypted partitions, but the
> passfile is stored in a small geli encrypted file-backed md device
> that's passphrase protected. I did this just to avoid having to type any
> more than I need to, but that backing file could just as easily be on a
> memory stick. =20
Yes, and can be opened with brute force attacks, depending on the key
length and the computing power.
matthias
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i use a mouse with a button on the side which i remapped to button 2 under linux. i've been using it this way for years, i'm very used to it. i just started using this mouse with freebsd, and i can't figure out how to remap the buttons. here's what i found, in reverse chronological order:
xinput silently fails for every pointer device except the core pointer, where it reports an x error. i assume you're not meant to use it with the core pointer, and i don't even want to; i want this to be specific to this one mouse.
xmodmap reports an x error.
lshal reports a dbus error: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
documentation for moused and lower-level mouse seemed disinclined to mention button mapping. i would like the same button mapping to apply in the framebuffer as well as x.
i have severe fatigue issues and i've just had to move a rather fiddly setup involving a laptop with external drive and screen onto my desk with the ecosystem of cabling behind it. i've done it now when i'm already fatigued because my primary workstation died unexpectedly yesterday morning. i'd appreciate an easy answer.
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On Fri, 19 May 2017 16:37:28 +0100, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote:
> i use a mouse with a button on the side which i remapped to button 2
> under linux. i've been using it this way for years, i'm very used to
> it. i just started using this mouse with freebsd, and i can't figure
> out how to remap the buttons. here's what i found, in reverse
> chronological order:
>
> xinput silently fails for every pointer device except the core pointer,
> where it reports an x error. i assume you're not meant to use it with
> the core pointer, and i don't even want to; i want this to be specific
> to this one mouse.
You should be able to use xorg.conf partial additions (no need
for a complete xorg.conf file). Check "man xorg.conf" for details.
> xmodmap reports an x error.
This program is inteded for keyboard mapping, not for the mouse,
and it only works in X.
> lshal reports a dbus error: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus
> /system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
HAL has been deprecated on Linux long time ago and isn't really
useful on FreeBSD.
> documentation for moused and lower-level mouse seemed disinclined
> to mention button mapping. i would like the same button mapping to
> apply in the framebuffer as well as x.
See "man moused", especially the -m option. At least for the OS,
this is basic functionality which can be configured easily. On X
it is more complicated of course. ;-)
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> On Fri, 2017-05-19 at 16:14 RW via freebsd-questions
> <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote:
>
>On Fri, 19 May 2017 10:19:06 -0400
>mfv via freebsd-questions wrote:
>
>
>> >This would lead to a system (netbook) which never can be booted or
>> >otherwise data read from and you can only boot it with the USB boot
>> >key, the USB GnuPG-card and the PIN (normally 6 digits).
>
>
>6 digits doesn't sound very secure.
>
>> >Any comments on this?
>> >
>> > matthias
>> >
>>
>> Hello Matthias,
>>
>> I agree with your idea. Some time ago I did some research to find
>> out a method to read the password from a USB memory stick but was not
>> successful. I was not concerned with disk encryption, just wanted a
>> very long password, automatic login and no system access without a
>> hardware key.
>
>A geli device can be set-up to use a passphrase and/or a passfile. You
>could just put the passfile on a memory stick and not use
>a passphrase at all.
>
>FWIW I use a passfile to attach geli encrypted partitions, but the
>passfile is stored in a small geli encrypted file-backed md device
>that's passphrase protected. I did this just to avoid having to type
>any more than I need to, but that backing file could just as easily be
>on a memory stick.
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Hello RW,
Is it possible to automatically read a password/passfile during boot
up from a USB memory stick without geli? If so, how?
Cheers ...
Marek
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> El d=C3=ADa viernes, mayo 19, 2017 a las 04:14:16p. m. +0100, RW via
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> > On Fri, 19 May 2017 10:19:06 -0400
> > mfv via freebsd-questions wrote:
> > A geli device can be set-up to use a passphrase and/or a passfile.
> > You could just put the passfile on a memory stick and not use
> > a passphrase at all. =20
>=20
> *This* is very insecure when the key gets stolen or copied (i.e. you
> may even not know that someone all the time can enter in your
> system). When the GnuPG stick gets stolen, it is useless for
> attackers due to missing PIN.
I mentioned it solely because the key being stolen and used to access
the device is explicitly not in his threat model.=20
> > FWIW I use a passfile to attach geli encrypted partitions, but the
> > passfile is stored in a small geli encrypted file-backed md device
> > that's passphrase protected. I did this just to avoid having to
> > type any more than I need to, but that backing file could just as
> > easily be on a memory stick. =20
>=20
> Yes, and can be opened with brute force attacks, depending on the key
> length and the computing power.
It depends on your threat model. For most people either are better than
they need to be. If you think you might have to stand up to a serious
attack by the likes of the NSA then you have to be certain that
they can't bypass the 3 attempts limit on the card. =20
I'd also be seriously concerned about that 3 attempt limit locking me
out of my data.=20
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> Is it possible to automatically read a password/passfile during boot
> up from a USB memory stick without geli? If so, how?
I've never tried mounting geli partitions at boot time but I would
image you could do it by mounting the stick from fstab and passing the
appropriate flag in rc.conf.
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> Matthias Apitz wrote:
>
>> El d=C3=ADa viernes, mayo 19, 2017 a las 04:14:16p. m. +0100, RW via
>> freebsd-questions escribi=C3=B3:
>>=20
>> > On Fri, 19 May 2017 10:19:06 -0400
>> > mfv via freebsd-questions wrote:
>
>> > A geli device can be set-up to use a passphrase and/or a passfile.
>> > You could just put the passfile on a memory stick and not use
>> > a passphrase at all. =20
>>=20
>> *This* is very insecure when the key gets stolen or copied (i.e. you
>> may even not know that someone all the time can enter in your
>> system). When the GnuPG stick gets stolen, it is useless for
>> attackers due to missing PIN.
>
> I mentioned it solely because the key being stolen and used to access
> the device is explicitly not in his threat model.=20
>
>
>> > FWIW I use a passfile to attach geli encrypted partitions, but the
>> > passfile is stored in a small geli encrypted file-backed md device
>> > that's passphrase protected. I did this just to avoid having to
>> > type any more than I need to, but that backing file could just as
>> > easily be on a memory stick. =20
>>=20
>> Yes, and can be opened with brute force attacks, depending on the key
>> length and the computing power.
>
> It depends on your threat model. For most people either are better than
> they need to be. If you think you might have to stand up to a serious
> attack by the likes of the NSA then you have to be certain that
> they can't bypass the 3 attempts limit on the card. =20
>
> I'd also be seriously concerned about that 3 attempt limit locking me
> out of my data.=20
On the GnuPG card you have an admin account with another PIN (in my case 8=20=
digits) to unlock your locked SIM, with 3 attemps too. After this, the card=20=
is to.throw away, if you fail.
--=20
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> You should be able to use xorg.conf partial additions (no need
> for a complete xorg.conf file). Check "man xorg.conf" for details.
thanks
> > xmodmap reports an x error.
>
> This program is inteded for keyboard mapping, not for the mouse,
> and it only works in X.
actually, it was the only way to set button mapping when i started using x on secondhand 486s over 20+ years ago! of course, i didn't need it then. i suppose someone thought "mouse button mapping... we have a program for mapping inputty things, i'll add it to that!" i'm slightly grateful it wasn't part of xset. given xset's impenetrable manual page and inconsistent syntax, i'm sure it would have been impossible!
> > lshal reports a dbus error: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus
> > /system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
>
> HAL has been deprecated on Linux long time ago and isn't really
> useful on FreeBSD.
oh good! looks like i'll get through my whole life without having to learn about hal. now if only i'd had the sense to skip some other things, like fvwm which has 6 billion commands to do almost but not quite what i want, or red hat 5.2's init scripts which nearly put me off shell script for life!
> > documentation for moused and lower-level mouse seemed disinclined
> > to mention button mapping. i would like the same button mapping to
> > apply in the framebuffer as well as x.
>
> See "man moused", especially the -m option. At least for the OS,
> this is basic functionality which can be configured easily. On X
> it is more complicated of course. ;-)
thanks! that looks really easy now you've pointed it out... or it will be when i find out where moused is started, which i'm sure i can manage on my own. i like moused's m=n syntax, much less cumbersome than xmodmap or xinput with their lists of numbers.
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> On Fri, May 19, 2017, at 05:07 PM, Polytropon wrote:
> >
> > See "man moused", especially the -m option. At least for the OS,
> > this is basic functionality which can be configured easily. On X
> > it is more complicated of course. ;-)
>
> thanks! that looks really easy now you've pointed it out... or it will be when i find out where moused is started, which i'm sure i can manage on my own. i like moused's m=n syntax, much less cumbersome than xmodmap or xinput with their lists of numbers.
almost! aaaalmost! i added a line to /etc/rc.conf, unplugged and reconnected my usb mouse, and saw my "-m 8=2" in the output of ps. i thought it was great, until i found it doesn't actually work. in x, button 8 is still button 8.
i could i try using xorg.conf to just make the same mapping in x, but i'd like to just have one authoritative setting. um... brain's gone blank. i need to set a bigger font for the framebuffer anyway; doing that first.
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> almost! aaaalmost! i added a line to /etc/rc.conf, unplugged and reconnected my usb mouse, and saw my "-m 8=2" in the output of ps. i thought it was great, until i found it doesn't actually work. in x, button 8 is still button 8.
sorry, replied too fast. in x, with '-m 8=2', button 8 is still button 8 but button 2 becomes button 12, leaving me with no button 2 at all. i thought i'd misunderstood the man page, so i set '-m 2=8', but that again makes no change to button 8 in x while button 2 stops sending anything at all.
i'll leave it for a while as i'm replying too fast. if someone could tell me how to test mouse buttons in the framebuffer console (like i can with xev in x), i'd be grateful.
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Hi,
It is been years I am using the same web hosting provider and there are
a few points that bugs me so I am looking for potential new hosting.
I searched online and at https://www.freebsd.org/commercial/isp.html and
was able to find some virtual hosting but not much web hostings.
What I am looking is
- shared web hosting service
- running on FreeBSD (or on *BSD)
- multiple domain names
- quick quick of mail aliases
I don't want the burden to manage a host and mail/web servers the CMS is
already enough for me :)
Any 2017 recommendation?
Thanks
Philippe
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On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 04:58:02AM +0200, freebsd@casidy.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It is been years I am using the same web hosting provider and there are
> a few points that bugs me so I am looking for potential new hosting.
>
> I searched online and at https://www.freebsd.org/commercial/isp.html and
> was able to find some virtual hosting but not much web hostings.
>
> What I am looking is
> - shared web hosting service
> - running on FreeBSD (or on *BSD)
> - multiple domain names
> - quick quick of mail aliases
>
> I don't want the burden to manage a host and mail/web servers the CMS is
> already enough for me :)
>
> Any 2017 recommendation?
>
I am current doing that as http://www.nk.ca/
However what are you needs?
> Thanks
>
> Philippe
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On Fri, 19 May 2017 19:47:39 +0100, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote:
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> >
> > almost! aaaalmost! i added a line to /etc/rc.conf, unplugged and
> > reconnected my usb mouse, and saw my "-m 8=2" in the output of ps.
> > i thought it was great, until i found it doesn't actually work.
> > in x, button 8 is still button 8.
>
> sorry, replied too fast. in x, with '-m 8=2', button 8 is still button
> 8 but button 2 becomes button 12, leaving me with no button 2 at all.
As I said, X handles input differently than the text mode console.
For the console, moused configuration applies. But for X, you need
to mess with xinput, maybe through a partial xorg.conf file where
you only set options for the mouse.
Here is an example for such an entry:
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Mouse0"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse"
Option "Protocol" "Auto"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
Option "Emulate3Buttons"
Option "EmulateWheel"
Option "EmulateWheelButton" "2"
EndSection
Of course you'd have to define only the relevant options that you
actually need for the button re-mapping; see "man xorg.conf" and
assorted X documentation. :-)
> i thought i'd misunderstood the man page, so i set '-m 2=8', but
> that again makes no change to button 8 in x while button 2 stops
> sending anything at all.
Just mind the _scope_ of the moused utility. Check "man moused",
there is also an option for debugging where you can examine the
events appearing for the mouse (similar to the X event viewer,
xev).
> i'll leave it for a while as i'm replying too fast. if someone
> could tell me how to test mouse buttons in the framebuffer console
> (like i can with xev in x), i'd be grateful.
With "moused -d -f <further options>" it is easily possible.
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I am following the info in this link
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/
I installed the textproc/docproj package.
The above link says that svn is installed as part of that port. But it
really is not. Have to use the built in svnlite command.
The shown command
"svnlite checkout https://svn.FreeBSD.org/doc/head ~/doc"
downloads far more items than wanted. This needs better example of just
downloading the desired language version of the handbook plus any
"shared directories" required for "make command" to work. How do I do this?
I ran the "igor -R filename.xml | less -RS" command on the chapter I
wanted to work on before making any changes. To my surprise a bunch of
error are shown. Since these error are all already in the handbook
source I see no reason why I should try to correct them.
When I ran the "make" command the resulting html files are just written
into the directory that "make" was run from. How do I tell "make" to
write the output to a location of my selection?
What is really lacking is a way to view the changed output in a command
line browser. Installing a desktop just to view the changed handbook is
not an acceptable solution.
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> On Fri, 2017-05-19 at 18:07 RW via freebsd-questions
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>On Fri, 19 May 2017 12:15:14 -0400
>mfv wrote:
>
>
>> Is it possible to automatically read a password/passfile during boot
>> up from a USB memory stick without geli? If so, how?
>
>I've never tried mounting geli partitions at boot time but I would
>image you could do it by mounting the stick from fstab and passing the
>appropriate flag in rc.conf.
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Hello RW,
Thanks for this useful suggestion. It seems feasible for my skill
level.
I know enough of FreeBSD to edit fstab but am not clear about the
specific settings in rc.conf.
As I am not interested in using geli I looked in /etc/defaults/rc.conf
for an appropriate setting but could not find anything that could be
used. Did I miss something? If not, does that mean I have to roll my
own rc script and place it in /usr/local/etc/rc.d?
Cheers ...
Marek