From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 16 05:25:07 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90280BF6B1C for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2017 05:25:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com", Issuer "dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75D156DA2B for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2017 05:25:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from [74.134.208.22] ([74.134.208.22:35446] helo=localhost) by dnvrco-omsmta03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTP id B1/29-25786-A68FA695; Sun, 16 Jul 2017 05:23:54 +0000 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 05:23:24 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best printer makes (manufacturers) for FreeBSD To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <57789.76.193.16.143.1500143031.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.64.88:25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 05:25:07 -0000 from Valeri Galtsev: > Recent discussion about replacing old printer prompted me to start this > thread. Basically, which makes (or manufacturers) do you use on your > FreeBSD boxes? What would you recommend to watch for and avoid when > choosing the printer. (I personally would prefer one manufacturer not even > mentioned: Xerox. They went bad several years ago, and are banned wherever > I have a voice to affect the choice... So if you tell good story about > Xerox I definitely will reply with my bad one - enough for having my > attitude). > In one of recent threads two manufacturers were mentioned: Brother and HP > (Hewlett Packard). What prompted me to start this is suggestions that for > some model of Brother printer you need to install Linux support and use > Linux diver. >From what I see advertised, I would favor Xerox. They even advertise compatinility with several (quasi-)Unix OSes. My experience with HP LaserJet Pro M1212nf MFP and their offshore technical support was such as to make me not want to ever again buy anything from HP. That printer required a proprietary binary plugin for full functionality, which wouldn't download when setting up the printer. HPLIP might suggest that HP printers require some special software, as opposed to standard interface, and the special software might work if the user is lucky. I looked on HP website, and they didn't even have Windows software support any more, since the printer was no longer supported. I have got some things to print successfully, but some other files messed up. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 16 21:05:29 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D32E4C7A35F; Sun, 16 Jul 2017 21:05:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartmann@walstatt.org) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C2E367378; Sun, 16 Jul 2017 21:05:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartmann@walstatt.org) Received: from thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de ([77.180.117.19]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Mhhr5-1dIjz93LL1-00MuvK; Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:05:20 +0200 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:05:14 +0200 From: "O. Hartmann" To: "Andrey V. Elsukov" Cc: FreeBSD CURRENT , "O. Hartmann" , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Inter-VLAN routing on CURRENT: any known issues? Message-ID: <20170716230514.0c2e5c65@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20170712214334.4fc97335@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <20170713211004.13492aef@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> Organization: WALSTATT User-Agent: OutScare 3.1415926 X-Operating-System: ImNotAnOperatingSystem 3.141592527 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="Sig_/3qsbMR6CK7Fssjmpq_roxte"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:csqe9xBwHYAzLXIMemUpylzIJAl/ZVbCSXYUYOUtOWYdwFMBKJv 07J69gne2YwwfAtQA4c7DFkzxNDbMUlrW6CgXoxdFXTC7O28UJ9XyxLiLFh/1OoIzfdQzhb v1g2r5/zdqPXNZTvkoMVrbI+Z4mb67OIein5O80ICigog4m56IjUiW2kFLiZdZhdeOa5aAB B9Mn4LRvVU99rtIGy13hg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:9mus4ySV6jE=:1hJ4c2v5dP247gknmJ8cup o+bO+vunKARdFRz/aU9/fCEDCKVHk9rN7K9+Nemp5RVsjuf4vIzu92gXT+qpDIU/+V7huwvMS 5pObROr1LAL2s00RxUbw3udeztkQw4LZPVnjIKW9/nwcqRZ7fUP+9qqVLyNpvfgjRoH4n2eH8 +pJyYMUxxgDfNk5u8ijXyxVMkFkhmXMZk9uVgBq1wKN9AQq8JwAWJ85fdSc8HTja4yHOYUa2h Wqjzy+YjmMDI3x3JtByn3nrdT7MyX9eP7T1jMQYzeTOv1BmpeUp9/y1O+2gKXZJqGiFOhxPvW 1dUPpdCcCzijtYH6sXxBwuKJE8jyhsi53nbGOlQvbn04UR/wpa0RvY49TErd4rCEgJ2tr7u8E IgHPqGlRVkW9oqRUeAERgZKRSZO3i8Ks6tw1AHC/aS3X9Mxcp4/MO4m2WmozEhyu9c2wsPfrk sKXuNz1fMKpJw9haGTbXZU4WtzrWa+fobqu82+xexIoEXk8R/sAKtKhn86J4+bPHIv9KkXr7U Iln7pxA8i/rcJpbiN/ZuA+PGfQjVIhdNnNsZhotRQrAYjiqCUqiBKa6ZU+stvtquil1qHuIwi xvmHRWJfunXK3DOpiOf4lENGlVyTiLEBLDVsHTq5/y0IODoDcYASRw1NaKZQFmqMPowr6C1Cb 0JHypG9fKRHuoHzWqZh00CZSSJSv91U6qaylXF8ZBXf+lQBI/0NFD8RW9qBSwHOWmWVZfcpYc 9O3Fh1RGYCIDXOjo12qwSwVo4bl82wEv72pgWEskZOVOMD9UmAe7+l4ydBEG/2ZnvaOfNuBBg 3Iayql+mGbB7iMdIx1tENJPh6n7ZA== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 21:05:29 -0000 --Sig_/3qsbMR6CK7Fssjmpq_roxte Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Fri, 14 Jul 2017 15:00:30 +0300 "Andrey V. Elsukov" schrieb: > On 14.07.2017 14:42, O. Hartmann wrote: > > I use in-kernel NAT. IPFW is performing NAT. In firewall type "OPEN" fr= om the > > vanilla rc.conf, IPFW has instance "nat 123" which provides then NAT. = =20 >=20 > I never used default config types for firewall, so, it would be nice to > see what rules do you have. >=20 > # ipfw show > # ipfw nat show config >=20 > >> VLANs work on the layer2 =20 > > According to 1): > >=20 > > I consider the settings of the switch now as correct. I have no access = to the > > router right now. But I did short experiments yesterday evening and it = is > > weird: loged in on thr router, I can ping every host on any VLAN, so IC= MP > > travel from the router the right way to its destination and back. > >=20 > > From any host on any VLAN that is "trunked" through the router, I can p= ing any > > other host on any other VLAN, preferrably not on the same VLAN. By cutt= ing off > > the trunk line to the router, pinging stops immediately. > >=20 > > From any host on any VLAN I can ping any host which is NATed on the out= side > > world. > >=20 > > From the router itself, I can ssh into any host on any VLAN providing s= sh > > service. That said, according to question 3), NAT is considered to be s= etup > > correctly. > >=20 > > Now the strange things: Neither UDP, nor TCP services "flow" from hosts= on one > > VLAN to hosts on a different VLAN. Even ssh doens't work.=20 > > When loged in onto the router, I can't "traceroute" any host on any VLA= N. =20 >=20 > This is most likely due to the problem with firewall rules. > If you set net.inet.ip.firewall.enable=3D0, does it solve the problem with > TCP/UDP between hosts on a different VLANs? >=20 > > According to question 2), the ability to ping from, say, a host on VLAN= 1000 to > > another host on VLAN 2 passing through the router would indicate that b= oth > > sides know their routes to each other. Or am I wrong? =20 >=20 > Yes. >=20 > > I got words from Sean bruno that there might be a problem with the Inte= l i210 > > chipset in recent CURRENT - and the hardware on the PCEngine APU 2C4 is= three > > i210. I'm aware of the problem since r320134 (the oldest CURRENT I star= ted > > experimenting with the VLAN trunking). =20 >=20 > It is very strange problems, why ICMP works, but TCP/UDP does not? :) > You can try to disable any type of offloading for the card, there were > some problems in the past with checksum offlading, that may lead to the > problems with TCP, but this usually should be noticeable in the tcpdump > output. >=20 I have not have any success on this and I must ask now, to not make a fool = out of my self, whether the concept of having several vlan over one single NIC is pos= sible with FreeBSD (12-CURRENT, as of today, r321055. Since it is even not possible to "route" from a non-tagged igb1 to a tagged= vlan igb1.2 or igb1.66 (for instance) on the same NIC, I have a faint suspect that I'm = doing something terribly wrong. I think everyone working with vlan should have those problems, but since I = can not find anything on the list, I must do something wrong - my simple conclusion. What is it? --=20 O. Hartmann Ich widerspreche der Nutzung oder =C3=9Cbermittlung meiner Daten f=C3=BCr Werbezwecke oder f=C3=BCr die Markt- oder Meinungsforschung (=C2=A7 28 Abs.= 4 BDSG). --Sig_/3qsbMR6CK7Fssjmpq_roxte Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iLUEARMKAB0WIQQZVZMzAtwC2T/86TrS528fyFhYlAUCWWvVCgAKCRDS528fyFhY lAl3Af0XWwi6ukI4Mjcqly58kMFC16v84uUwL1TO4j0Y3mSnpcqCnKwPymqioc4l VWlZHt48wol9w/xQsqjA6D0Xn9E7Af9s5YSNQBMb0VCVjr5ocbVx5uY2zyndzWh9 mc6J/gb41XR4sEF5/jm3DIWYnHoU8QTvdukbIpS2oJ8xPLn1VjwP =pHUN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/3qsbMR6CK7Fssjmpq_roxte-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 16 21:14:46 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF0DC7A997 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2017 21:14:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steinex@nognu.de) Received: from mail-wm0-x22e.google.com (mail-wm0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 925A067B79 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2017 21:14:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steinex@nognu.de) Received: by mail-wm0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id w126so60390069wme.0 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2017 14:14:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nognu-de.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=DwVYM9C8TkIxQ+9ULdKneZCh+Du4jL/Tgbh/1IHAD3A=; b=kE2nqkQ3rxmHSIDzm94m0FHkqypVpV5BUNgWl2I0bDwh8VUbHYvoMYjNgoL8mzIHTd U3aDCe9o1dBtu+Gey1Noo3aIhbwO6ttuWwCFxkCuPcO6r5IYfGj0Wp80Be4rHiDP+ziZ o71SCSMTf1eLjf4JYFw4DXqA5t+RlnGkhgDs/nrjoBizSCQIurMGNKdx3OdiqpS6/fjE 1homojogLZ3UHQRnhqDA4kAg3TUnCIOgea1pO8sKnaMtIlH9y9jPKbftp/EEKPzlR8mZ cpzxaNXDWuW+FK/esjo/zdp2jCBPuIPh5z8Y60BG4LIfsRFgororkvtbS78Yw//4inL6 LkIw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=DwVYM9C8TkIxQ+9ULdKneZCh+Du4jL/Tgbh/1IHAD3A=; b=Sq7yLlpvi3rOgeBnqXjoet8GtvLcq+bRK7+ul3x2eTLA4vHYh498DskjR0UvMY8cXI BSUvNUPSGLiYiq8k01hqfRB2z40j9g0wIvDgmEl9XntQ69IZYmPXBw7349XHLAxODQWQ iCN5dpNlj4xURZMUyw3RkZOyiNMIy0gj9jFJ+3oBp+CVGNHBcs5HF8K+kaBQPysCRCqc Twj+/K8BvPWwX7n36lHuXmP0IhU/QB9Gq5NpjsMPps1JLyPmk0IdzqNgv0D2x+xLJgBj sQgP1ofZeoZr+EWcnqURgnd10T9f7ZzeyDsmG4dLVv8edhSBE+jgHaPS4PdGzyE2lXnv OsOw== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw111iR8uTmCj/4UkCkFgSMbJVh8sRKB33d4X096PaL1Yk29Au4RDA 8NcQs5pz5gG2a1Jb X-Received: by 10.28.147.200 with SMTP id v191mr2404096wmd.95.1500239683896; Sun, 16 Jul 2017 14:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from krenn.local ([2a02:908:e942:23c0:4c37:223b:f435:30e1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l73sm15855844wma.27.2017.07.16.14.14.43 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 16 Jul 2017 14:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:14:41 +0200 From: Frank Steinborn To: "O. Hartmann" Cc: "Andrey V. Elsukov" , FreeBSD CURRENT , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Inter-VLAN routing on CURRENT: any known issues? Message-ID: <20170716211441.GA63054@krenn.local> Mail-Followup-To: "O. Hartmann" , "Andrey V. Elsukov" , FreeBSD CURRENT , FreeBSD Questions References: <20170712214334.4fc97335@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <20170713211004.13492aef@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <20170716230514.0c2e5c65@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20170716230514.0c2e5c65@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.3 (2017-05-23) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 21:14:46 -0000 O. Hartmann wrote: > I have not have any success on this and I must ask now, to not make a fool out of my > self, whether the concept of having several vlan over one single NIC is possible with > FreeBSD (12-CURRENT, as of today, r321055. > > Since it is even not possible to "route" from a non-tagged igb1 to a tagged vlan igb1.2 > or igb1.66 (for instance) on the same NIC, I have a faint suspect that I'm doing > something terribly wrong. > > I think everyone working with vlan should have those problems, but since I can not find > anything on the list, I must do something wrong - my simple conclusion. > > What is it? Do you have enabled net.inet.ip.forwarding? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 16 21:32:04 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D97CC7AFEB; Sun, 16 Jul 2017 21:32:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartmann@walstatt.org) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB80768575; Sun, 16 Jul 2017 21:32:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartmann@walstatt.org) Received: from thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de ([77.180.117.19]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MYtId-1d9ygO416R-00Vg2f; Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:32:00 +0200 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:31:58 +0200 From: "O. Hartmann" To: Frank Steinborn Cc: "O. Hartmann" , "Andrey V. Elsukov" , FreeBSD CURRENT , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Inter-VLAN routing on CURRENT: any known issues? 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Hartmann wrote: > > I have not have any success on this and I must ask now, to not make a f= ool out of my > > self, whether the concept of having several vlan over one single NIC is= possible with > > FreeBSD (12-CURRENT, as of today, r321055. > >=20 > > Since it is even not possible to "route" from a non-tagged igb1 to a ta= gged vlan > > igb1.2 or igb1.66 (for instance) on the same NIC, I have a faint suspec= t that I'm > > doing something terribly wrong. > >=20 > > I think everyone working with vlan should have those problems, but sinc= e I can not > > find anything on the list, I must do something wrong - my simple conclu= sion. > >=20 > > What is it? =20 >=20 > Do you have enabled net.inet.ip.forwarding? >=20 Of course I have. As I stated earlier, ICMP pings from on VLAN to another o= ver this router works, but any IP (UDP, TCP) is vanishing into thin air. I don't have a FBSD-11-STABLE reference system at hand, so that I can check= with another revision/major release of the OS, but I work on that.=20 --=20 O. Hartmann Ich widerspreche der Nutzung oder =C3=9Cbermittlung meiner Daten f=C3=BCr Werbezwecke oder f=C3=BCr die Markt- oder Meinungsforschung (=C2=A7 28 Abs.= 4 BDSG). --Sig_/43AZxrQoqcSTS3qn67Cyh7B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iLUEARMKAB0WIQQZVZMzAtwC2T/86TrS528fyFhYlAUCWWvbTgAKCRDS528fyFhY lKKAAf40/3ZTZLaSwlT6Q3/FdhU4dY3MLR0Om1XPdIxrMbgvSAKmI78fI+wfVQv7 RVqCwC5C9OuIiBQGKVt/I2JnDTNbAf4//H0/Kmg0GoPcKyyhx/mt0e2l8faQBBYj ELuHtYtly38RveAfKSOSx+MUiGDyT+7NWeguWg6bJg/cjlO1MdJz =r9Lh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/43AZxrQoqcSTS3qn67Cyh7B-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 17 03:34:50 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E870C7F80A for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 03:34:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.225]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com", Issuer "dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FC5D7034A for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 03:34:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [76.183.153.52] ([76.183.153.52:58305] helo=[192.168.0.8]) by dnvrco-omsmta02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTP id 51/FD-25924-3503C695; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 03:34:43 +0000 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 22:34:42 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl Reply-To: Paul Schmehl To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: sshd logging Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.64.7:25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 03:34:50 -0000 Is there a way to get sshd to only log successful logins? The Russians and Chinese are filling up the logs, which turns them over every two hours. Paul Schmehl, Retired As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 17 05:04:11 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E05B0CF6C49; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 05:04:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kulamani.sethi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ua0-x232.google.com (mail-ua0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96AD972133; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 05:04:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kulamani.sethi@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ua0-x232.google.com with SMTP id 64so4566359uae.2; Sun, 16 Jul 2017 22:04:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=dm4TND03SuXqjDD1z6pV1maT1fqCw3YB2BaHIJwoWSs=; b=kfKT1WV4ZDQB5K9GkIXschzhvcoWDjjO6jxDl2B2Ji2LePvhQQ1Y/e/wjEof7g4wwk qptkWUzmSSDiGStCzWMK9Oy/hcoa1032u1+fUvCzQsQtclE6dQ5pJX2KIe93/IaCy8+t 9U2KdgNCO3VBGhQwyGqVTNxtP3M85jGXwQDzlrCWkrC/qoy3S+vc9CIfXjq8CrboxHDj w4nRNB6k9pO1MowXpTgJ19QLCuVVrQkCTvCeoQXiqomF1ChNe4AI7vfyZ8a1aO0iszoA 20BFVwPc8p3jA/n2Jw9mfC5bvyy8YDZJK0FRFyQeTsbASMU/EK8J0anylFIGnuM2eZQZ wiFA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=dm4TND03SuXqjDD1z6pV1maT1fqCw3YB2BaHIJwoWSs=; b=ud4tMy1RuBR8/yamuHN4o5QE1RBu1RSCdRmzsm9uLAtPtC/3jLBFF0SZwOSWc9pV1f iXvjCP8WTKmsN526R5gHxIbNDm++3ZrkOZYgy+a1sVra8tpGaz9cxxHEtlUUv9gRnppe 0ZPQF3Rtz3ifZfsn9tI2BPffdIj5fK4TbnJMhLrfuBIK8iPYNscjM4XENP3la1Zt8bdd gYDAj7umJxwFrZwqfTrdsO24Sn012zFuo774/BHFvNn7e8H7E27FTKZo8UerVtwFsSdg CeL2aoFNqnjR/5fokLTzLMLzyco9N8eOdrvsyLYiyZqLs1Cm0EQGqRBslbrI4skHGRMx LwiA== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw110zgf6dyF57y74LdKIMnodJJHls8jlS9MUFi68rAfXoh7wQKIrh exBicxZXXIXOdZxgIjNspbwdmGThVPgc X-Received: by 10.31.170.201 with SMTP id t192mr9514758vke.100.1500267850474; Sun, 16 Jul 2017 22:04:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.81.231 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jul 2017 22:04:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20170715024608.T92704@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20170715024608.T92704@sola.nimnet.asn.au> From: Kulamani Sethi Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 10:34:10 +0530 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Unable to set rule using service name To: Ian Smith Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ipfw@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 05:04:12 -0000 Hi Lan, Thanks for your response! Yes, it is a placeholders. Here is exact real example of service URL. However it is a Intranet service, you may not access. service URL1: https://vwddgdptv001.corp.intranet/RISC_1/GDPLogin.aspx service URL2: https://vwddgdptv001.corp.intranet/GDPT_1/GDPLogin.aspx Note: RISC_1 and GDPT_1 both are two different service running over a common server. I want to set some deny rule over RISC_1 only. *With best Regards,* Kulamani Sethi, Bangalore, India Mob: 9686190111 On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:31 PM, Ian Smith wrote: > On Fri, 14 Jul 2017 16:43:56 +0530, Kulamani Sethi wrote: > > Hi, > > I want to set a rule for a particular service URL which running on a > remote > > server. > > I know the IP but don't know the port number where that service is > running. > > If i set rule for IP then it will applied for entire services running > over > > there. > > > > There is a option in IPFW rule we can set either port number or name, > but > > it does not accepting using name. Here is a example for my case. > > > > suppose URL for test1 service http://x.x.x.x/test1 > > URL for test2 service http://x.x.x.x/test2 > > > > I tried a rule, "ipfw add 104 deny log ip from x.x.x.x test1 to any". > Got > > error "ipfw: missing "to'' ". > > *I want to set rule for test1 where I have no idea about port.* > > *Also please help me how to know port number if any way is there.* > > RW well described (in freebsd-questions@) the relationship between port > numbers and service names in /etc/services; assuming you know the name, > that gives you the number. Are 'test1' and 'test2' real examples, or > placeholders for real service names? > > In any case, you cannot specify a port number in a rule with proto 'ip'; > when specifying port/s you need to specify 'udp' or 'tcp' protocol. > > Can you give an example of the actual packets (protocol, port number/s) > that you want to block? > > cheers, Ian > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 17 05:16:52 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CFA3CFC1D9 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 05:16:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FED0726B7 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 05:16:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [2.247.250.240] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dWyOh-0004My-8I; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 07:16:43 +0200 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id v6H5GeSV002463 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 17 Jul 2017 07:16:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id v6H5GcbT002462; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 07:16:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 07:16:38 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Paul Schmehl Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: sshd logging Message-ID: <20170717051638.GB2368@c720-r314251> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , Paul Schmehl , FreeBSD Questions References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zYM0uCDKw75PZbzx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! Please send only plain text. User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.0 (2017-02-23) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 2.247.250.240 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 05:16:52 -0000 --zYM0uCDKw75PZbzx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El d=C3=ADa domingo, julio 16, 2017 a las 10:34:42p. m. -0500, Paul Schmehl= escribi=C3=B3: > Is there a way to get sshd to only log successful logins? What about using ipf(8)? > The Russians and=20 > Chinese are filling up the logs, which turns them over every two hours. Hmm. Do you mean that the SSH login from NSA and CIA are logged only once because the are always successful? matthias --=20 Matthias Apitz, =E2=9C=89 guru@unixarea.de, =E2=8C=82 http://www.unixarea.d= e/ =E2=98=8E +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub 8. Mai 1945: Wer nicht feiert hat den Krieg verloren. 8 de mayo de 1945: Quien no festeja perdi=C3=B3 la Guerra. May 8, 1945: Who does not celebrate lost the War. --zYM0uCDKw75PZbzx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEXmn7rBYYViyzy/vBR8z35Hb+nREFAllsSC4ACgkQR8z35Hb+ nRHRfhAAqcvbDqzL3HcuaxAd0cZtsYBLQFYGpyM8Yg3N9rAn99FvqBIO+EIG/FcM LZhTK5fmyzNQnv+T4gzbNFKA53ulV775qXCucEDP0P+U2u+w7KpsWk8NwxRpncmJ 274oaOplDnih4cBNfJdvC/oNmSLNwjSaqBN6kIX8/jBT9swe8vu77zzbtXx7GPn2 HLa3LBzgb0Zlt50rlDTlxuTGnUteCISWGqgBNBDEaedi1xpaDSizuW/mP+czg0VH yUsRS+M9OcVvsi/NBJTDgOiM0goerOOyHLx0PeoEpqHp6ASENdfiXaNqDhRCw2/M 369W7Efso8Urz5UnajGGeB4JSZrCqoJsjeBwo2sGhlWOK60ABj095yBw3T0gnMg6 6npyl/o3Qk9zzqv1NbYdwe8UbzmY1sERFLMLtFOQ5xlcKHRSRZCCyv83rhIR2hEG FiKDRgso6iEfe7HxxL6qMsgBKOOAfO0YpxfGkUuIckv//2KjGXf5qAYcirwP+x5A LmHvoCjK6+MoxPp54QjFuLOr5tJUBV8Vs/INDqKdODhkeoZvd01+uFFpiD14zKOA 41z/ErWcPV6q7xRWcDIFJd9P/wmwq7aPzah/M0+8k69rQ61n47VwJJUkGC/tuwEN jGFa0lQcg31T7aOWE0AcnvO+Tc86qkii2/BWX7gNgbmkvYbBvzA= =RAGQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zYM0uCDKw75PZbzx-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 17 06:53:36 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B69DDCFE344 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 06:53:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbeich@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9681575BF6; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 06:53:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbeich@freebsd.org) Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1354) id DD34F10BE9; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 06:53:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Jan Beich To: Steven Nikkel Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OpenCL Issues References: <1b3fafb4-1f41-1ef0-dce5-3c97ccb39570@ertyu.org> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 08:53:30 +0200 Message-ID: <8tjn-v9jp-wny@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 06:53:36 -0000 Steven Nikkel writes: > On 2017-07-14 6:11 PM, Jan Beich wrote: > >> Steven Nikkel writes: >> >>> On 2017-07-14 8:13 AM, Jan Beich wrote: >>>> See https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=217635 >>>> >>> >>> Thanks, work around from the bug report solves my issue with beignet >>> and I can successfully use OpenCL on that host. >> ^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >> Awesome! I'd like to update the port to a snapshot to pick up the fix in >> question upstream, LLVM 4.0 support, more optimizations and catch >> regressions early. Can you give it a try? >> >> https://reviews.freebsd.org/D11377 (see Download Raw Diff) >> > > The update builds and installs. It runs clinfo fine, but I'm getting > errors in my CL app, looks like it can't find the cl_amd_media_ops > extension. Not sure where that error comes from as it's fine in the > 1.3.1 from the existing port. What does clinfo show? Is cl_amd_media_ops listed in among extensions? Can you try building against LLVM 3.9 (MESA_LLVM_VER=39) or LLVM 5.0 (MESA_LLVM_VER=-devel) via lang/beignet/Makefile.local? Can you post a link to the source, assuming it's an open project? I can't reproduce and not familar enough with OpenCL to guess. Maybe bisect. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 17 07:44:16 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0EFCFEE03 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 07:44:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from willsznet@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pg0-x241.google.com (mail-pg0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c05::241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26DDB76F98 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 07:44:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from willsznet@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pg0-x241.google.com with SMTP id y129so18563141pgy.3 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 00:44:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:subject:date:organization:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-language:thread-index; bh=hh34C80E43eDn1Pl7ush1EOacWG9J1A7XBMqSEUV/dM=; b=r/LmICFWY7nhqGSxy4FLOq6neAqHKBoLRuISzStRh9EYF3gktwluNFIFEDXJ/tsvjz yyEW2dD3s8przmmg0VjukEaprxCTVKk+qj623NGSzk+L1+fPHRi7kzpWTqfpLq11mZGf 9zEKPIdJozkJHM+gdWA/ZWTpgyfYwFbG92d25cposwdiIxLZ7VUIuQT1AGXeT2c3sqjL jw9y7ia8H4JIr+Ad+asYgM5qCxbdgidCFSTkXemqGjUW/pD29eBjgAWXkwkA13B4ecVw 5mD+gJxUCruYeCuCh3P7R2Iz26hXBode9i1zmpUL2nRGPLGLefS/cmxFZr2CErvsxS0Z uGdw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:date:organization:message-id :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-language :thread-index; bh=hh34C80E43eDn1Pl7ush1EOacWG9J1A7XBMqSEUV/dM=; b=Y6MEbVRbne09KRkCSmbZCppKXTB7hYP5o0coWc+AA9i6movRh/bR2tUZPEC4oQ+f7G 0S2IujIbY1LuCOyljy5iI0GT7c30qAfN6lVRljOX8o3y9IGe7EKSwoJ2mPS8r1zkwFV7 BxVvqpGHMcg0jUNF3AJO5eaRi4tsmpr9FoByYjOS0YbHnSgG+I0UUEPKlIdX4rSIv/3k 16mjO62mdwbDJI38j6YwERZ1VIQDYTgJafotMAjTewJm6fHOU6RHRXCoDnOy5LR68Z7j /QdlhPUTByjX3mGvgKWKuoHqSeYgOvlXTFMxuQMgLrWsDSiOj1oPcq9dGoDMe8qozxZZ mNmg== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw1110P9DjXXv0RuZjlOpn64rWVjZcThwxVKokbKNZDWU7dg1y9rWf S5AxxfllNu2M0Abz X-Received: by 10.84.201.6 with SMTP id u6mr29038025pld.251.1500277455586; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 00:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pcbill ([180.253.251.227]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s80sm37349209pfj.33.2017.07.17.00.44.14 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 17 Jul 2017 00:44:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Willsz.net" To: Subject: How to create img file installer Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 14:44:11 +0700 Organization: Willsz.net - Cyber Internet Station Message-ID: <001801d2fed0$7cdbfbd0$7693f370$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-Language: id Thread-Index: AdL+0HldQ1BDpkobR8GF3TgkLv6FPQ== x-cr-hashedpuzzle: AeTM AzmC A6sc CbZs DO2n Enx6 FtfX F3n9 GP71 HAjl HB5m HcSg Hqvu Ibmt KOHP Klmd; 1; ZgByAGUAZQBiAHMAZAAtAHEAdQBlAHMAdABpAG8AbgBzAEAAZgByAGUAZQBiAHMAZAAuAG8AcgBnAA==; Sosha1_v1; 7; {ED3B0089-EB2B-48A9-9197-0BC64FE07CBD}; dwBpAGwAbABzAHoAbgBlAHQAQABnAG0AYQBpAGwALgBjAG8AbQA=; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 07:44:09 GMT; SABvAHcAIAB0AG8AIABjAHIAZQBhAHQAZQAgAGkAbQBnACAAZgBpAGwAZQAgAGkAbgBzAHQAYQBsAGwAZQByAA== x-cr-puzzleid: {ED3B0089-EB2B-48A9-9197-0BC64FE07CBD} X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 170717-2, 07/17/2017), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 07:44:16 -0000 Hi, I'am looking for, how to make img file for USB FreeBSD installer? Like FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img from http://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ISO-IMAGES/10.3/ for example. My goal is I wanna make FreeBSD img installer file from my FreeBSD server (already configure & all data) is't possible? So if my HDD broken, just installing from that's img file to new HDD. Thank you. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 17 08:56:11 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E4DD14667 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 08:56:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 398CB7CEE4 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 08:56:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from zero-gravitas.local (unknown [85.199.232.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 230928F51 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 08:56:08 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/230928F51; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: How to create img file installer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <001801d2fed0$7cdbfbd0$7693f370$@com> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 09:56:06 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <001801d2fed0$7cdbfbd0$7693f370$@com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="JgXTQkKn0lMLJKBWUd4RWXuDr1Soar7Rm" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 08:56:11 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --JgXTQkKn0lMLJKBWUd4RWXuDr1Soar7Rm Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="h1Q0Ffon4NGRem2G6wO7P8re1rjxjM7nF"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: How to create img file installer References: <001801d2fed0$7cdbfbd0$7693f370$@com> In-Reply-To: <001801d2fed0$7cdbfbd0$7693f370$@com> --h1Q0Ffon4NGRem2G6wO7P8re1rjxjM7nF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2017/07/17 08:44, Willsz.net wrote: > I'am looking for, how to make img file for USB FreeBSD installer? Like > FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img from > http://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ISO-IMAGES/10.3/ for exampl= e. My > goal is I wanna make FreeBSD img installer file from my FreeBSD server > (already configure & all data) is't possible? So if my HDD broken, just= > installing from that's img file to new HDD. All of the tooling used to create FreeBSD releases is held somewhere in the directory tree below: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/release/ This script does the 'checking out sources and building the system' part:= https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/release/release.sh?view=3Dlog and converting that into a memstick image is handled by the top-level Makefile: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/release/Makefile?view=3Dlog which calls the make-memstick.sh script for each of the different supported architectures. However, if what you really want to do is just clone your existing harddrive onto a new one, creating a custom installer is a lot more work than you really need to do. Basically if you can mount both old and new disks in your machine at once, then you can simply copy the content of your old drive onto your new one. Methods of copying the content of drives wholesale has been a popular topic on this list in the past, but I'd start by trying rsync(8).= Cheers, Matthew --h1Q0Ffon4NGRem2G6wO7P8re1rjxjM7nF-- --JgXTQkKn0lMLJKBWUd4RWXuDr1Soar7Rm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJZbHusXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQxOUYxNTRFQ0JGMTEyRTUwNTQ0RTNGMzAw MDUxM0YxMEUwQTlFNEU3AAoJEABRPxDgqeTn97EP/23kZsvDNXhUHlRLdpHUmFAw NxrYZSuudKQRlHoY51s/j4LpH4HtDW10AhLgxoP1vQOH7/55suF4nBeJM1wUyeXu VO9uWIZZJGshCUTLtu4NzBwi+sm/Udxl0h3TRtGUCptDzHwmfZH36G/kJVxkuyt7 GZNRC1sQ4XXRD0cDT/KICkEQ4ERyfDqSSlA/2HVyK2UzsQznTVkM4Jx+lrc5ehdI pqNru4AIo27OqU2BoaQZoTJ0RhZwsxuVcew5ACAj2kh6BNw3CIASbV9JN4Lwf894 N8hfh0MqLqIUnxXqSxsVIn06nTa2sV5DkzDk9347l8PCy/1tGX62NRxEfrqjAxcb qnDXq0cZ9V/ylRA7Wp8W4Bdk68Pq4d7YBJFSHhgYZc0hbpPZrla4ys44ruNBc7UZ 8DzajMRww16xeoGsCCxH12S18d8ly4O3Slcvf9LM9e/CfSRrNz/Eqx+SYId1/y1V pAAolBdVH2W0Ov8iSjSSYnYI04l6mt5GZEGshNxksbFZaAWfakK95i4VovtkVy5l L8MapwZkpW7EkA/mFjnGVkwZKnCPxfXF6ZRv1QhYykShPuYMHE9UXXJ24nrMm3kA McA+B2Dv8y5BAyz2jxj50oeJ4RfNzKx1VSUDBCSFPJAya0/kvUyjE6u0klvwp8Ft C/nn+kAR242nUIlo6rEH =h39W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --JgXTQkKn0lMLJKBWUd4RWXuDr1Soar7Rm-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 17 11:00:11 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ECF9D7C800 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:00:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [198.71.6.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8D480CF9 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:00:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from sas1.nber.org (sas1.nber.org [198.71.6.89]) by mail2.nber.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id v6HAc0Lo032274 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 17 Jul 2017 06:38:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 06:38:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg To: Matthias Apitz cc: Paul Schmehl , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: sshd logging In-Reply-To: <20170717051638.GB2368@c720-r314251> Message-ID: References: <20170717051638.GB2368@c720-r314251> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (LRH 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KLMS-Rule-ID: 1 X-KLMS-Message-Action: clean X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Status: not scanned, disabled by settings X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Interceptor-Info: not scanned X-KLMS-AntiPhishing: Clean, 2017/07/14 10:36:23 X-KLMS-AntiVirus: Kaspersky Security 8.0 for Linux Mail Server, version 8.0.1.721, bases: 2017/07/17 05:49:00 #10096095 X-KLMS-AntiVirus-Status: Clean, skipped Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:00:11 -0000 On Mon, 17 Jul 2017, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día domingo, julio 16, 2017 a las 10:34:42p. m. -0500, Paul Schmehl escribió: > >> Is there a way to get sshd to only log successful logins? > > What about using ipf(8)? denyhosts or fail2ban would be easier. You'd still get a few lines in the logs, but only a few. dan feenberg > >> The Russians and >> Chinese are filling up the logs, which turns them over every two hours. > > Hmm. Do you mean that the SSH login from NSA and CIA are logged only once > because the are always successful? > > matthias > > > -- > Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, ⌂ http://www.unixarea.de/ ☎ +49-176-38902045 > Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub > 8. Mai 1945: Wer nicht feiert hat den Krieg verloren. > 8 de mayo de 1945: Quien no festeja perdió la Guerra. > May 8, 1945: Who does not celebrate lost the War. > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 17 11:21:49 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F584D7CF0F; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:21:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C86E8818F1; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:21:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id v6HBLb3k031259; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 21:21:37 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 21:21:37 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Kulamani Sethi cc: freebsd-ipfw@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unable to set rule using service name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20170717211435.A87076@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20170715024608.T92704@sola.nimnet.asn.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:21:49 -0000 On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 18:34:10 +0500, Kulamani Sethi wrote: > Hi Lan, > Thanks for your response! > > Yes, it is a placeholders. Here is exact real example of service URL. > However it is a Intranet service, you may not access. > > service URL1: https://vwddgdptv001.corp.intranet/RISC_1/GDPLogin.aspx > > service URL2: https://vwddgdptv001.corp.intranet/GDPT_1/GDPLogin.aspx > > Note: RISC_1 and GDPT_1 both are two different service running over a > common server. > > I want to set some deny rule over RISC_1 only. I'm sorry, I quite misunderstood your problem (and RW's response). You cannot use ipfw for this purpose, as it only distinguishes source and/or destination IP addresses and/or TCP|UDP port numbers on packets. You need something to distinguish between URLs, that isn't the firewall but something at a higher level, perhaps some sort of proxy? cheers, Ian > *With best Regards,* > > Kulamani Sethi, > Bangalore, India > Mob: 9686190111 > > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:31 PM, Ian Smith wrote: > > > On Fri, 14 Jul 2017 16:43:56 +0530, Kulamani Sethi wrote: > > > Hi, > > > I want to set a rule for a particular service URL which running on a > > remote > > > server. > > > I know the IP but don't know the port number where that service is > > running. > > > If i set rule for IP then it will applied for entire services running > > over > > > there. > > > > > > There is a option in IPFW rule we can set either port number or name, > > but > > > it does not accepting using name. Here is a example for my case. > > > > > > suppose URL for test1 service http://x.x.x.x/test1 > > > URL for test2 service http://x.x.x.x/test2 > > > > > > I tried a rule, "ipfw add 104 deny log ip from x.x.x.x test1 to any". > > Got > > > error "ipfw: missing "to'' ". > > > *I want to set rule for test1 where I have no idea about port.* > > > *Also please help me how to know port number if any way is there.* > > > > RW well described (in freebsd-questions@) the relationship between port > > numbers and service names in /etc/services; assuming you know the name, > > that gives you the number. Are 'test1' and 'test2' real examples, or > > placeholders for real service names? > > > > In any case, you cannot specify a port number in a rule with proto 'ip'; > > when specifying port/s you need to specify 'udp' or 'tcp' protocol. > > > > Can you give an example of the actual packets (protocol, port number/s) > > that you want to block? > > > > cheers, Ian > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ipfw@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ipfw > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ipfw-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 17 14:20:10 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA85D883C0 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 14:20:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samuel.chiu@ccjk.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05482300A for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 14:20:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samuel.chiu@ccjk.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 01415D883BD; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 14:20:10 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00CB6D883BC for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 14:20:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samuel.chiu@ccjk.com) Received: from smtp83.abchk.net (4875.abchk.net [203.174.48.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7D2B3007 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 14:20:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samuel.chiu@ccjk.com) Received: from bb194.abchk.net (bb194.abchk.net [202.155.196.194]) by smtp83.abchk.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96EC4F83EF for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 22:09:58 +0800 (HKT) Received: from samuel (unknown [175.9.28.63]) by bb194.abchk.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 35C766006F for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 22:09:57 +0800 (HKT) From: "samuel" To: Subject: One-stop Asian Languages Translation Provider/Toplingual Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 21:58:06 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Importance: High Thread-Index: AdL/A/xjO9umWdGdTiCBsAST8lH8xA== Content-Language: zh-cn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 14:20:10 -0000 Dear partner I hope my email finds you a good day, this is Jack from Toplingual Service. 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ISO Certified Translation& Localization Company From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 17 15:56:46 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A1AD96BC6 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:56:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steven_nikkel@ertyu.org) Received: from vmx.ertyu.org (vmx.ertyu.org [IPv6:2001:19f0:5c00:944f:5400:ff:fe1a:d00]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A70DC65751; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:56:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steven_nikkel@ertyu.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ertyu.org; s=standard; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=MclVK+3PVGVmNWAQhCIuV0dmSuH+NMLCd45vyzJBZL4=; b=zlS1ZCPUy+Sgd1SAUdk4MtHeZT O6QCjvxeDfOH2A3BTEAbmlIFLiW+BwZrBo83Ip3a9LVUafQ0BuQsIjjVAhn1RF14VyS9twA2E6PMG fHcF3xhuTxvJmGzziIniYfA2E+PKba6/p+g4/EYxJwhQ0UIBmWDn+BeKZ5qkD13vMXhNDfOry7O0A /5qzo6vyb1614f/pq3Y32x+/k9RtsWQaq17zLYn7qfibR7YcFtu/PkqFZ/IXMB3xLlbFxuem7ys5b bngIiwHninkflTYYbL93/7rQoHT/KwAIwKNiHIl5Io1VZYISVYMnmWvLYlzyv5YWnk9dmGYUzDK2c JXEg+kaw==; Subject: Re: OpenCL Issues To: Jan Beich Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1b3fafb4-1f41-1ef0-dce5-3c97ccb39570@ertyu.org> <8tjn-v9jp-wny@FreeBSD.org> From: Steven Nikkel Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 10:56:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8tjn-v9jp-wny@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:56:46 -0000 On 2017-07-17 1:53 AM, Jan Beich wrote: > Steven Nikkel writes: > >> On 2017-07-14 6:11 PM, Jan Beich wrote: >> >>> Steven Nikkel writes: >>> >>>> On 2017-07-14 8:13 AM, Jan Beich wrote: >>>>> See https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=217635 >>>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, work around from the bug report solves my issue with beignet >>>> and I can successfully use OpenCL on that host. >>> ^^^^^^^^^^^ >>> >>> Awesome! I'd like to update the port to a snapshot to pick up the fix in >>> question upstream, LLVM 4.0 support, more optimizations and catch >>> regressions early. Can you give it a try? >>> >>> https://reviews.freebsd.org/D11377 (see Download Raw Diff) >>> >> >> The update builds and installs. It runs clinfo fine, but I'm getting >> errors in my CL app, looks like it can't find the cl_amd_media_ops >> extension. Not sure where that error comes from as it's fine in the >> 1.3.1 from the existing port. > > What does clinfo show? Is cl_amd_media_ops listed in among extensions? > Can you try building against LLVM 3.9 (MESA_LLVM_VER=39) or LLVM 5.0 > (MESA_LLVM_VER=-devel) via lang/beignet/Makefile.local? Can you post > a link to the source, assuming it's an open project? > > I can't reproduce and not familar enough with OpenCL to guess. Maybe bisect. > The cl_amd_media_ops extension isn't listed in clinfo for the working or non working beignet case. This is the specific source generating that error: https://github.com/dcti/dnetc-client-base/blob/master/rc5-72/opencl/rc5-4pipe.cl The overall source isn't currently setup to build in FreeBSD, that is what I'm working on. I noticed it's wrapped in a test to check for the extension before using it. Not sure if that is the correct way or not. Tried building patched beignet with LLVM 3.9, different error message, fails an internal consistency check in the code. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 17 19:33:52 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50693D9EDB3 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 19:33:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 482254ac@razorfever.net) Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.teksavvy.com", Issuer "DigiCert High Assurance CA-3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA0886E7E1 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 19:33:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 482254ac@razorfever.net) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0D/FgBvEG1Z/0StpUVcGwEBAQMBAQEJAQEBgj2BHSo9kA+PPAEBAQEBBQGBJDABl2gciHNEFAECAQEBAQEBAWsohUIVHlgCJgI7LgMIAQGKHg2vfYImiziBC4IdgwaCU4gvgkeCYQEEgjCHGA2HAYFghQyHcQECnzERhwGUE4FENiGBChwtN4UWAQsBgmIkiUIBAQE X-IPAS-Result: A0D/FgBvEG1Z/0StpUVcGwEBAQMBAQEJAQEBgj2BHSo9kA+PPAEBAQEBBQGBJDABl2gciHNEFAECAQEBAQEBAWsohUIVHlgCJgI7LgMIAQGKHg2vfYImiziBC4IdgwaCU4gvgkeCYQEEgjCHGA2HAYFghQyHcQECnzERhwGUE4FENiGBChwtN4UWAQsBgmIkiUIBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.40,375,1496116800"; d="scan'208";a="320527385" Received: from 69-165-173-68.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO mail.razorfever.net) ([69.165.173.68]) by smtp.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 17 Jul 2017 15:32:42 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mail.razorfever.net [192.168.0.4]) by mail.razorfever.net (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTP id v6HJWe3F063426 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:32:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from 482254ac@razorfever.net) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.razorfever.net: Host mail.razorfever.net [192.168.0.4] claimed to be [127.0.0.1] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Derek (freebsd lists)" <482254ac@razorfever.net> Subject: zfs send -R | zfs recv aborted Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:32:40 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-CA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mail.razorfever.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 19:33:52 -0000 Hiya! Wondering if anyone can help give me pointers, or has a rough idea where to look next. The situation is this: I've got a 10.2-RELEASE sender, and a 10.3-RELEASE receiver. I'm trying so send a ~20TB recursive dataset over gig-e. I've had a failed send because the ssh connection is torn down (for reasons unknown), and a second failed attempt because the zfs send command went (a child of sudo). Usually the transfer fails after a few days (14TB+) of copying. I'm confident in the hardware. My thinking is, most of the filesystems+snapshots that are already showing up on the receive side are successful. If possible, I'd like to keep the correctly-received filesystems+snapshots, and free up the resources from the ones that haven't been correctly received. Then I will transfer the rest by name (i.e. not recursively). The send-resume in 10.3 would be fabulous here, but I'm running out of time, and I'd really rather avoid a restart. I've been playing around with zdb to try to compare what's missing/incomplete, but the manual page doesn't really give me much information on how to understand the detailed information returned. Does anyone have: - an alternative approach or - a way to free the resources by an incomplete receive, without trashing the rest of the receive or - a resource that will help me grok zdb output such that I could write something that will be able to give me the value I seek Thanks Derek From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 17 22:52:57 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F29DA3394 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 22:52:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ultima1252@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb0-x22c.google.com (mail-yb0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c09::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDCDB75D4B for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 22:52:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ultima1252@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id z37so1182013ybh.1 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:52:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=eCCnz0FoBlX/uJ3QU3AWJEYI5K3QtUgkAa+I4olk8D4=; b=u5RzIT3v64lbSIGBghn+9IAzIPzrniQU1FTZBY9TlBG11kN6zbAFrCe2wL3wlbaM63 JAw9C9mNf4ZrAxn6CqfT57rbW9X17r4mZBtOGJZeVkojFqMqJmRhXhAHNgks7n6xHpez 93iSTkZUVAro3QxwNVUf0cHCv9AQqk45QRtWGgyEBtntMV7trWxSiExnhiVORPG3boz5 3Xz8EA7W5ACP/UenkDhnUT+hjvj0mnb+FL24K9lx561ZA5E+bNWfhqLnsqgoGs7AlI74 6qVNJ1fmJPU2dslrLomPXj1ny0Ix050p/r7qVYPk79eD0Kp/ShtKo52lKdZG2EOGYNcX uz+w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=eCCnz0FoBlX/uJ3QU3AWJEYI5K3QtUgkAa+I4olk8D4=; b=nSB00fzAW5BmIpFWBvZOBBmu/mUDLRRoMbokhEGq8kaFK88eJvmPdWVprIDEHVr/mn /e5fP0bl6TXu2jeyZWQCUcKZZRNL8u5+vBeoYzNAmM4kmOBm5r8l96+QfX2pEV6jeN6o cQPHQF8bkOAdF2fBRjhb37xqhUZ9uf5Y2jg87fRsnAERPeYc8QhlUbR+18X26WQGvubx iPO6peqwmZo8b8y1ttnC9iJmm+EP/ov9Jq7JroE3D6RdJdZlaJXS3li4m6J3vpmXowqF iJ7Ks3JxS3qoj7RyCvwOcX3/iea4EfHfs4YGyMa/5b+w5s62LObTLpb+uNX5TWpthngV 36gw== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw110jJ/PYE82u+QPwrqIsSEN3my9vhXg1FiOpEpHx1EDiPUs/gKuU F5pCb4Ek+dZCVS/PXw04GB1gzDCCrXNFyto= X-Received: by 10.37.13.145 with SMTP id 139mr19005775ybn.89.1500331975991; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:52:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.13.238.135 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:52:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Ultima Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:52:55 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: zfs send -R | zfs recv aborted To: "Derek (freebsd lists)" <482254ac@razorfever.net> Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 22:52:57 -0000 Have you looked into the recv -s options, and the send -t option? These options are for restarting an interrupted data stream. I'm of the opinion that this should be a default recv option and add the option to disable it, but there must be a good reason for this option not on by default. On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Derek (freebsd lists) < 482254ac@razorfever.net> wrote: > Hiya! > > Wondering if anyone can help give me pointers, or has a rough idea where > to look next. > > The situation is this: I've got a 10.2-RELEASE sender, and a 10.3-RELEASE > receiver. I'm trying so send a ~20TB recursive dataset over gig-e. I've > had a failed send because the ssh connection is torn down (for reasons > unknown), and a second failed attempt because the zfs send command went > (a child of sudo). Usually the transfer fails after a few days > (14TB+) of copying. I'm confident in the hardware. > > My thinking is, most of the filesystems+snapshots that are already showing > up on the receive side are successful. If possible, I'd like to keep the > correctly-received filesystems+snapshots, and free up the resources from > the ones that haven't been correctly received. Then I will transfer the > rest by name (i.e. not recursively). > > The send-resume in 10.3 would be fabulous here, but I'm running out of > time, and I'd really rather avoid a restart. > > I've been playing around with zdb to try to compare what's > missing/incomplete, but the manual page doesn't really give me much > information on how to understand the detailed information returned. > > Does anyone have: > - an alternative approach > or > - a way to free the resources by an incomplete receive, without trashing > the rest of the receive > or > - a resource that will help me grok zdb output such that I could write > something that will be able to give me the value I seek > > > Thanks > Derek > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe > @freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 17 23:35:23 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3FADA42A1 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 23:35:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com", Issuer "dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D53D4772FA for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 23:35:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [76.183.153.52] ([76.183.153.52:51014] helo=[192.168.0.8]) by dnvrco-omsmta03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTP id DE/E2-25786-3B94D695; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 23:35:15 +0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 18:35:14 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl Reply-To: Paul Schmehl To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: sshd logging Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <20170717051638.GB2368@c720-r314251> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.64.88:25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 23:35:23 -0000 --On July 17, 2017 at 6:38:00 AM -0400 Daniel Feenberg =20 wrote: > > > On Mon, 17 Jul 2017, Matthias Apitz wrote: > >> El d=C3=ADa domingo, julio 16, 2017 a las 10:34:42p. m. -0500, Paul = Schmehl >> escribi=C3=B3: >> >>> Is there a way to get sshd to only log successful logins? >> >> What about using ipf(8)? > > denyhosts or fail2ban would be easier. You'd still get a few lines in the > logs, but only a few. > Thanks, Dan. I'll take a look. I've never understood why logging routinely records every failed=20 interaction. I suppose it's because summarizing it would take more=20 processing plus some sort of database. Seriously though, why should I care=20 about failed logins? It's the successful ones that I need to know about. Paul Schmehl, Retired As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 17 23:35:59 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FFEDDA439A for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 23:35:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.228]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com", Issuer "dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22CE6773B4 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 23:35:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [76.183.153.52] ([76.183.153.52:50869] helo=[192.168.0.8]) by dnvrco-omsmta01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTP id 7C/C7-08177-7194D695; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 23:32:40 +0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 18:32:39 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl Reply-To: Paul Schmehl To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: sshd logging Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20170717051638.GB2368@c720-r314251> References: <20170717051638.GB2368@c720-r314251> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.64.6:25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 23:35:59 -0000 --On July 17, 2017 at 7:16:38 AM +0200 Matthias Apitz =20 wrote: > El d=C3=ADa domingo, julio 16, 2017 a las 10:34:42p. m. -0500, Paul = Schmehl > escribi=C3=B3: > >> Is there a way to get sshd to only log successful logins? > > What about using ipf(8)? > >> The Russians and >> Chinese are filling up the logs, which turns them over every two hours. > > Hmm. Do you mean that the SSH login from NSA and CIA are logged only once > because the are always successful? > Yes, that's exactly what I meant. :-) Paul Schmehl, Retired As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 18 07:49:16 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7B0C7EEBD for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 07:49:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ws@au.dyndns.ws) Received: from ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.143]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788BD63456 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 07:49:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ws@au.dyndns.ws) Received: from ppp103-111.static.internode.on.net (HELO lillith-iv.ovirt.dyndns.ws) ([150.101.103.111]) by ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 18 Jul 2017 17:14:06 +0930 X-Envelope-From: ws@au.dyndns.ws X-Envelope-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from predator-ii.buffyverse (predator-ii.buffyverse [172.17.17.136]) by lillith-iv.ovirt.dyndns.ws (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id v6I7i0ne065708; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 17:14:01 +0930 (ACST) (envelope-from ws@au.dyndns.ws) Message-ID: <1500363839.1558.1.camel@au.dyndns.ws> Subject: Re: sshd logging From: Wayne Sierke To: Paul Schmehl , FreeBSD Questions Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 17:13:59 +0930 In-Reply-To: References: <20170717051638.GB2368@c720-r314251> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.24.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (lillith-iv.ovirt.dyndns.ws [172.17.17.142]); Tue, 18 Jul 2017 17:14:01 +0930 (ACST) for IP:'172.17.17.136' DOMAIN:'predator-ii.buffyverse' HELO:'predator-ii.buffyverse' FROM:'ws@au.dyndns.ws' RCPT:'' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (lillith-iv.ovirt.dyndns.ws [172.17.17.142]); Tue, 18 Jul 2017 17:14:01 +0930 (ACST) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 172.17.17.142 X-Scanned-By: SpamAssassin 3.004001(2015-04-28) X-Scanned-By: ClamAV X-Spam-Score: -0.999 () ALL_TRUSTED,URIBL_BLOCKED X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 07:49:17 -0000 On Mon, 2017-07-17 at 18:35 -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On July 17, 2017 at 6:38:00 AM -0400 Daniel Feenberg .org> > wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, 17 Jul 2017, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > > > El día domingo, julio 16, 2017 a las 10:34:42p. m. -0500, Paul > > > Schmehl > > > escribió: > > > > > > > Is there a way to get sshd to only log successful logins? > > > > > > What about using ipf(8)? > > > > denyhosts or fail2ban would be easier. You'd still get a few lines > > in the > > logs, but only a few. > > > > Thanks, Dan. I'll take a look. > > I've never understood why logging routinely records every failed > interaction. I suppose it's because summarizing it would take more > processing plus some sort of database. Seriously though, why should I > care > about failed logins? It's the successful ones that I need to know > about. I imagine that historically the intensity of unauthorised login attempts carried more significance (or was thought to) than it does now. sshd_config(5) - LogLevel I haven't seen a description of which events are logged at each level, but I have seen a comment that setting it to "ERROR" eliminates the logging of failed attempts. This page suggests an approach that may be of interest: https://blog.stalkr.net/2010/11/login-notifications-pamexec-scripting.html Wayne From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 18 10:02:05 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A42CCFDD99 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 10:02:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 482254ac@razorfever.net) Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.teksavvy.com", Issuer "DigiCert High Assurance CA-3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA8AD684F3 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 10:02:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 482254ac@razorfever.net) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0DUEwCx221Z/0StpUVdGgEBAQECAQEBAQgBAQEBgj2BHSoaI4ERjn6PQwUBgSQBAywBl2iFRwKDT0MVAQIBAQEBAQEBayiFGQEFIxUeIxALGAICJgICOR4GDQYCAQGKHg2uSYImiwsBAQEBBgImgQuCHYMGglOCeYd9gmEBBIIwhxiIbox9AQKWCIkpEYcBlBOBRDUigQocLTeIBSQ2iFgBAQE X-IPAS-Result: A0DUEwCx221Z/0StpUVdGgEBAQECAQEBAQgBAQEBgj2BHSoaI4ERjn6PQwUBgSQBAywBl2iFRwKDT0MVAQIBAQEBAQEBayiFGQEFIxUeIxALGAICJgICOR4GDQYCAQGKHg2uSYImiwsBAQEBBgImgQuCHYMGglOCeYd9gmEBBIIwhxiIbox9AQKWCIkpEYcBlBOBRDUigQocLTeIBSQ2iFgBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.40,377,1496116800"; d="scan'208";a="320593237" Received: from 69-165-173-68.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO mail.razorfever.net) ([69.165.173.68]) by smtp.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 18 Jul 2017 06:02:01 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mail.razorfever.net [192.168.0.4]) by mail.razorfever.net (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTP id v6IA20E2074007; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 06:02:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from 482254ac@razorfever.net) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.razorfever.net: Host mail.razorfever.net [192.168.0.4] claimed to be [127.0.0.1] Subject: Re: zfs send -R | zfs recv aborted To: Ultima Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List References: From: "Derek (freebsd lists)" <482254ac@razorfever.net> Message-ID: <2dbcb271-be11-6ca0-fbf0-f21a21725875@razorfever.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 06:02:00 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-CA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mail.razorfever.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 10:02:05 -0000 Thanks for the response. Sorry I wasn't clear - those options aren't available in 10.2 - and this is the upgrade path for this machine (i.e. migrate to a new one). Other thoughts still welcome. Derek On 17-07-17 06:52 PM, Ultima wrote: > Have you looked into the recv -s options, and the send -t option? > These options are for restarting an interrupted data stream. > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Derek (freebsd lists) < > 482254ac@razorfever.net> wrote: > >> The send-resume in 10.3 would be fabulous here, but I'm running out of >> time, and I'd really rather avoid a restart. >> From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 18 13:38:26 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AAC3D7DAE6 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 13:38:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ellen@comparitech-mail.com) Received: from server.comparitech-mail.com (server.comparitech-mail.com [149.56.84.213]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A74B6E6AC for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 13:38:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ellen@comparitech-mail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comparitech-mail.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:Message-ID:Subject:Reply-To:From:To:Date:Sender:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=+QUVvHbn3AJii8znDo8Q1WbTrb0CYndr4ND3e7+wutI=; b=lRA7JPgx8n0VlbUKcLkgKvjAGB nnqI2N8W81lY6xClmSF7O8v/MAMV6vDsTCuOYytuFNmXA8eWcG7jzOS+VJ9Ge8QHo53whnkRWDhmi bx4x4o02pCNy1Y1JDPbpeACa62O5LvlWNT0tUx8ba318lkPtcgm8zOKNwriBWzKxEVnOF3GQwA0UH yS8BHDi/b6EgIleqSQka6U2ptFP0fzLPro1Z3Kcng/ZLqMO7w9s+FcyB3MU02ZargdkwMfsmAsjsg lZVGZRwVKBhb1oameEf9g2M12Pz9Ko1yxl3PyH+bew2xlwpQE2HyHlT8uqgdTCBzTN98UaMoek613 3m7sPOOw==; Received: from ec2-54-158-57-119.compute-1.amazonaws.com ([54.158.57.119]:52839 helo=comparitech-mail.com) by server.comparitech-mail.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dXRpr-00019c-Ko for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 08:42:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 12:42:43 +0000 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ellen Fisher Reply-To: Ellen Fisher Subject: Broken link Message-ID: <9534533.or_mail@comparitech-mail.com> X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.comparitech-mail.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - comparitech-mail.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server.comparitech-mail.com: authenticated_id: ellen@comparitech-mail.com X-Authenticated-Sender: server.comparitech-mail.com: ellen@comparitech-mail.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 13:38:26 -0000 Hi, I came across a broken link on your site so I thought I’d get in touch to let you know. I was on this page - http://wp.freebsddiary.org/2002/08/16/vnc-allowing-remote-access-to-graphical-desktops/ and the broken link is the ATT page on virtual network computing (http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc). It just doesn’t seem to be online any more. One of my colleagues actually wrote a pretty detailed piece looking at VNCs https://www.comparitech.com/vpn/what-is-a-vnc-and-how-does-it-differ-from-a-vpn/ providing an overview and comparing to VPNs. Perhaps you could update your page to point people here instead? I hope this is helpful. Thanks, EllenIf you do not wish to receive further emails from us, please reply with unsubscribe in the subject line. Comparitech, Kings Lodge, London Road, Sevenoaks Kent, TM15 6AR, United Kingdom From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 18 14:32:32 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C2EBD7ED09 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 14:32:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DCF1704EE for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 14:32:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 12366CB8CEA; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 09:32:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 09:32:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <40772.128.135.52.6.1500388344.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: References: <20170717051638.GB2368@c720-r314251> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 09:32:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: sshd logging From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Paul Schmehl" Cc: "FreeBSD Questions" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 14:32:32 -0000 On Mon, July 17, 2017 6:32 pm, Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On July 17, 2017 at 7:16:38 AM +0200 Matthias Apitz > wrote: > >> El día domingo, julio 16, 2017 a las 10:34:42p. m. -0500, Paul Schmehl >> escribió: >> >>> Is there a way to get sshd to only log successful logins? >> >> What about using ipf(8)? >> >>> The Russians and >>> Chinese are filling up the logs, which turns them over every two hours. >> >> Hmm. Do you mean that the SSH login from NSA and CIA are logged only >> once >> because the are always successful? And KGB is not mentioned at all because they are not only always successful, but also always either through NSA or CIA ;-) Valeri >> > > Yes, that's exactly what I meant. :-) > > Paul Schmehl, Retired > As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions > are my own and not those of my employer. > ******************************************* > "It is as useless to argue with those who have > renounced the use of reason as to administer > medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson > "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very > intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 18 14:37:47 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D40DD7EE3E for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 14:37:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2C37077E for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 14:37:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 94E9ACB8CEA; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 09:37:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 09:37:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <29290.128.135.52.6.1500388665.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: References: <20170717051638.GB2368@c720-r314251> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 09:37:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: sshd logging From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Paul Schmehl" Cc: "FreeBSD Questions" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 14:37:47 -0000 On Mon, July 17, 2017 6:35 pm, Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On July 17, 2017 at 6:38:00 AM -0400 Daniel Feenberg > wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017, Matthias Apitz wrote: >> >>> El día domingo, julio 16, 2017 a las 10:34:42p. m. -0500, Paul Schmehl >>> escribió: >>> >>>> Is there a way to get sshd to only log successful logins? >>> >>> What about using ipf(8)? >> >> denyhosts or fail2ban would be easier. You'd still get a few lines in >> the >> logs, but only a few. >> I use sshguard (you may want to look also at sshguard-ipfw, sshguard-pf). ssh is not the only service sshguard can protect. Just one more option. Valeri > > Thanks, Dan. I'll take a look. > > I've never understood why logging routinely records every failed > interaction. I suppose it's because summarizing it would take more > processing plus some sort of database. Seriously though, why should I care > about failed logins? It's the successful ones that I need to know about. > > Paul Schmehl, Retired > As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions > are my own and not those of my employer. > ******************************************* > "It is as useless to argue with those who have > renounced the use of reason as to administer > medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson > "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very > intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 18 16:16:10 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49768D9690D for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 16:16:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alphachi@mediaspirit.org) Received: from mail-oi0-x231.google.com (mail-oi0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 00E7E7364B for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 16:16:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alphachi@mediaspirit.org) Received: by mail-oi0-x231.google.com with SMTP id x187so21156582oig.3 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 09:16:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mediaspirit-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=1c8u7PgDWZlgnsUAkoRX8yUPPWGhcaSJD6ww4llbAJ4=; b=TOGUwCJM7Cd9RtmJKN4gxXJidKdu85I6fzFRYN341ctuz463Nl+zo+XJ5Bl+Tq0Wln 6sYarqbuU3GOkX0xbO6SdjSijuIIXLyKhfbXg1kEp1r2pIGijKsihCl4lQIgiWr9ZQ8Q JuR8pRw2VrcrqtMRJKR/RaSzy5SA+ydtjSYGL1hZUfmFV8W/bbMvAWKb0eZbI9/vJW14 E/KiP8N73hcPmCOAbcOPPUlP3/0vPcknIGz5Ef6L/t8ABHc5UvFJDmJuYkB59XbUtXqU QrtpKE9nr+1i388hUAs5bLmrQ7IvkLjv4T+lVNFejb15GBNLMw+HuXcz4FCqplHWwRpU oYcA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=1c8u7PgDWZlgnsUAkoRX8yUPPWGhcaSJD6ww4llbAJ4=; b=nojWfznEQ9ZIVYX55EnmwnfNKrVEES2GonLKEB4cvY3H8T1siG33XKVWg+L1WpnSeg gOiLR+toJSxqE9kQZk194POg2Al9gJSdIP7oUrKvSvkcmFNoB6KJ6K+nm4XCQrDcmvHK UKx/9P+XLY1HtTQocjEliMlr0QtLiTbYcwU+0jxzOA8OBH8IwXqtcdv35lZ4b7ELunij kI0jslKABQg6xN29VfNnXA8DY3a73DQP9uKD6kOcph9Vz4qNl8HYns00BhTucW0xLW9C Tusyanm60ucD2wTlUsVBNbaBttf1LcCQdjqfhQ0VWOObGd9j2eeC0Fm0YvtYYnXuidsN aF3Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw112RBa2DGV6ba/NuzOioNjGyoA4aHethztgw7f3K7gtK32HMqM72 +y1fLe39FUce/VW7Fxz9swbdCl8x0j1t2xE= X-Received: by 10.202.81.147 with SMTP id f141mr1452949oib.186.1500394568634; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 09:16:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.74.142.147 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 09:16:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20170627081354.bf6ae28e.freebsd@edvax.de> From: alphachi Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 00:16:08 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: security/doas can't work with zsh alias To: Polytropon Cc: "list: freebsd" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 16:16:10 -0000 This works: % echo "alias doas=3D'doas '" >> ~/.zshrc Thanks for the thread: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/61539/ 2017-06-27 16:48 GMT+08:00 alphachi : > So I think the simplest approach is: run "doas -s" and stay this shell fo= r > dealing alias requirements. > > Any other ideas? > > 2017=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=8827=E6=97=A5 14:13=EF=BC=8C"Polytropon" =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > >> On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 20:25:02 +0800, alphachi wrote: >> > I'm preparing to migrate to doas and the following commands are my tes= t: >> > >> > % cat /usr/local/etc/doas.conf >> > permit nopass keepenv fbsd as root >> > permit nopass keepenv root as root >> > % id -nu >> > fbsd >> > % doas id -nu >> > root >> > % echo $SHELL >> > /usr/local/bin/zsh >> > % doas echo $SHELL >> > /usr/local/bin/zsh >> > % alias >> > vi=3Dvim >> > % doas alias >> > % >> > >> > As this shows, doas doesn't know this alias, so "doas vi" can't invoke >> > installed vim. >> > >> > Is this reasonable or just my mistake? How to enable zsh alias for doa= s? >> >> A possible explanation is that the subshell that executes the >> "alias" (internal) command provided through doas does not inherit >> the environment that stored the alias for the user shell; in >> such a case, root's environment (without the alias) will be >> used while the doas shell is running, that's why the "vi=3Dvim" >> setting is not in that environment. >> >> However, that exactly seems to conflict with the "keepenv" >> option provided by doas.conf, except of course aliases are >> being handled independently from environmental variables >> (which the "env" in "keepenv" could refer to). >> >> >> >> -- >> Polytropon >> Magdeburg, Germany >> Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 >> Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... >> > --=20 Paranoid in Sabbath ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 18 19:25:57 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CAA0D9E47C for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 19:25:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1ED6680FFD for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 19:25:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) by bucksport.safeport.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v6IJCVKf007244 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 15:12:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 15:12:31 -0400 (EDT) From: DTD To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD UEFI MultiBoot Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]); Tue, 18 Jul 2017 15:12:31 -0400 (EDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 19:25:57 -0000 Apparently as of 10.3 this works. Two links: http://ximalas.info/2015/03/19/uefi-gpt-windows-10-freebsd-10-and-refind/ https://www.robertcina.com The one I am leaning toward is the first that just uses gpart. His setup: gpart delete -i 5 ada0 gpart delete -i 6 ada0 gpart delete -i 7 ada0 gpart add -a 4K -l root0 -s 30G -t freebsd-ufs ada0 gpart add -a 4K -l swap0 -t freebsd-swap ada0 newfs /dev/gpt/root0 mount /dev/gpt/root0 /mnt cd /mnt tar xvvf /usr/freebsd-dist/base.txz tar xvvf /usr/freebsd-dist/kernel.txz tar xvvf /usr/freebsd-dist/lib32.txz # create and/or edit all relevant files in /mnt/boot and /mnt/etc cd / umount /mnt reboot Both use rEFInd and EasyUEFI. The Robert Cina method leaves an extra UFI partition. Both put the swap as a partition external to the FreeBSD partition. What are the pros and cons with this? My preference would be to use gpart to get the partitions right and then run the regular install. This, it seems to me takes care of the steps after the tar. I guess after all this time I know or can figure out "all relevant files", but I rather like IBM's "computers should work so people can think". Thanks for any corrections, additions and/or thoughts. My disk setup is on an ideapad 900. DISKPART> list volume Volume ### Ltr Label Fs Type Size Status Info ---------- --- ----------- ----- ---------- ------- --------- -------- Volume 0 E DVD-ROM 0 B No Media Volume 1 C Windows NTFS Partition 446 GB Healthy Boot Volume 2 D LENOVO NTFS Partition 25 GB Healthy Volume 3 SYSTEM_DRV FAT32 Partition 260 MB Healthy System Volume 4 WINRE_DRV NTFS Partition 1000 MB Healthy Hidden Volume 5 LENOVO_PART NTFS Partition 14 GB Healthy Hidden In addition there is a 430GB partition made by shrinking C to the max. My plan is to add swap and then the FreeBSD UFI boot code to volume 3, reboot and do the install in the reuglar way, and then use rEFInd and EasyUEFI following the links above. _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 18 20:37:39 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9C1D9FA7B for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 20:37:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B7E282EBF for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 20:37:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (host86-191-18-76.range86-191.btcentralplus.com [86.191.18.76]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v6IKbP1h079116 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:37:26 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Subject: Re: OpenVAS To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <9ae02757-80c3-63f3-67b2-5d20a44138cd@fjl.co.uk> From: Frank Leonhardt Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:37:25 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9ae02757-80c3-63f3-67b2-5d20a44138cd@fjl.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 20:37:39 -0000 No one? On 07/07/2017 11:15, Frank Leonhardt wrote: > No one has been maintaining ports/security/OpenVAS-* for a while; nor > greenbone-security-assistant. > > I would very much like this to work, but it doesn't. So before I dive > in, does anyone have any info? > > Thanks, Frank. > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 18 21:19:26 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7782DA05C2 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:19:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B6AE21B for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:19:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (host86-191-18-76.range86-191.btcentralplus.com [86.191.18.76]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v6ILJOvn087719 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 22:19:24 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Subject: Re: zfs send -R | zfs recv aborted To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <2dbcb271-be11-6ca0-fbf0-f21a21725875@razorfever.net> From: Frank Leonhardt Message-ID: <64602a81-132a-2f8b-076b-3497acb569e3@fjl.co.uk> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 22:19:24 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2dbcb271-be11-6ca0-fbf0-f21a21725875@razorfever.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:19:27 -0000 On 18/07/2017 11:02, Derek (freebsd lists) wrote: > Thanks for the response. Sorry I wasn't clear - those options aren't > available in 10.2 - and this is the upgrade path for this machine > (i.e. migrate to a new one). > > Other thoughts still welcome. I'm not 100% sure that datasets that appear to be good on a failed send will be safe; I presume you've checked! So your problem is that you need to free up broken dataset snapshots on the receiver. I don't understand why this is a problem - why not just "destroy" them? You might want to consider a differential "send" (with a -I (capital i) ) option, which will send the snapshot plus all the missing intermediate ones. I've a dim idea that zxfer might be of some help here, but as you say, the OpenZFS from 10.3 onwards has exactly the option you need. Am I right in thinking these two machines are colocated? Why not just export the pool on one and import on the other? (Lack of drive bays being one obvious reason - just get a load of USB->SATA cables and a hub). Just a thought. Regards, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 18 21:23:35 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93459DA0A06 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:23:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4437E924 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:23:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (host86-191-18-76.range86-191.btcentralplus.com [86.191.18.76]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v6ILNXaw088508 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 22:23:33 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Subject: Re: Drive labelling with ZFS To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <03643051-38e8-87ef-64ee-5284e2567cb8@fjl.co.uk> <7fa67076-3ec8-4c25-67b9-a1b8a0aa5afc@holgerdanske.com> <5940EE63.2080904@fjl.co.uk> <771917ae-7e07-95d0-5cee-4bda8578a646@holgerdanske.com> From: Frank Leonhardt Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 22:23:32 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <771917ae-7e07-95d0-5cee-4bda8578a646@holgerdanske.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:23:35 -0000 On 08/07/2017 03:21, David Christensen wrote: >> >> The most useful thing I can think of is to label the caddies with the >> GUID (first or last 2-3 digits). If you have only one shelf you should >> be able to find the one you want quick enough. > > As I understand it, ZFS goes by the UUID/GUID. So, using UUID"s for > software and applying matching physical labels to each drive/caddy > makes sense. That's exactly what it does best. This would be the only label for the outside that's guaranteed to match the inside. The only PITA is that it gets the GUID once it's installed, so you have to put the blank drive in, gpart it, print the label and go and find the drive again. Meaning there's at least one unlabelled drive on the shelf in the mean time. If there were two.... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 01:47:08 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34BCADA501B for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 01:47:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from smtpd.telissant.net (smtpd.telissant.net [104.225.1.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E629663FD for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 01:47:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from cortina.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtpd.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ECBC112C8B for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:31:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at telissant.net Received: from smtpd.telissant.net ([127.0.0.1]) by cortina.3dresearch.com (cortina.3dresearch.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4vz0szhfvzgl for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elettra.3dresearch.com (unknown [71.112.240.39]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: elettra) by smtpd.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2A05E112AF1 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elettra.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elettra.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E76DF1A721F for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:31:12 -0400 From: Janos Dohanics To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: 11.x snapshots Message-Id: <20170718213112.1588ee6607d1cad480133675@3dresearch.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 01:47:08 -0000 Hello All, I don't seem to be able to find any FreeBSD 11-STABLE snapshot memstick or .iso images in https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/snapshots/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/11.1/ - would you please point me to the right place? -- Janos Dohanics From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 02:32:46 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E5EDA5C88 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 02:32:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soulofroot55@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x230.google.com (mail-wm0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F7DB6756C for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 02:32:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soulofroot55@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x230.google.com with SMTP id t70so28665175wmt.1 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 19:32:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=bb8Mumt8qvbD5JxLEzBnLSGqXQHKOLkh2uJHiyNZ/q0=; b=KIfFYFNkikGd+Ed+3c/RfdbEx8yCyl71gej4T+h6BeHBVMSCBzkGDOpjeXSw8w9as1 L5eTtphkDw3oscldjlFH9rpJygdT3x6BbGBNB2oy2sYwWaclOn0Tsf6s1MadJ0CEjQLe oAD9BgHed0GnWxUcjCBwAYVJTMP1Wy9wVs4kUI9+rddeIULn9EwEBgZnLtWYteoZoXAn KcIk6uf6G5Jyg8Y3DnXuvN+KBhm6lASEg+Xe1ItYSaliD6lpQ0jrGY8gXmgKrKKIoJim +zQ0hYp4ShD1ESOAwoZOWI6iYNKewhfN0g5dxH7PfILIe1EFextORt2AWvF8QiYlND18 GcBg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=bb8Mumt8qvbD5JxLEzBnLSGqXQHKOLkh2uJHiyNZ/q0=; b=Y1s6EfzYrHuGL/acxcJx7UnEvbjgU39yIoG5IKi4mTyPsOzb5tt/ES8akIrw7laGBE 1bzmlZM9p3Mkeh0wf7C8BHzduVBoKFrhvpkblllD5gpIioHjsvyviqkJm+cfZW10Mw49 MHmmOCIFN63lMx+O3DgAjVZNngb5qLRYWdCIm1u1aGEkxaJe/qxrM9/s7MsBnm9GqrvS EBrx/yRc6qm2eFwl3kd1XlOJ/WxJQwZVrv7MfYuCKj9274zY27JVyK9qJwDXUCTVSJqF 8IhkEm7vkVtkevxE4mdi9j4rqgmUo9IwtjJSm/zKb7zHlLizz7N+I2ZFdY+O0EfIpmXW NbEg== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw111kXPobqYQdeEP5PIfrF8vHvGyTNNPt67VYarD6FDfumnUDl/XX ZUEWpOvYYf/+jPjJaR/Bxcly+fNrCg== X-Received: by 10.80.196.79 with SMTP id w15mr4093653edf.124.1500431563443; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 19:32:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.220.143 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 19:32:43 -0700 (PDT) From: SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 23:32:43 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 03:56:29 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 093E8DA806A for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 03:56:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x22f.google.com (mail-io0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C013F69D72 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 03:56:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id l7so17197108iof.1 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 20:56:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=5Y3MG4oSwy2FqQgBha7wyvWP6uED9rN6Onh+vTLlZV4=; b=hS1RWCXvdYs8G4VL5JcfAm1YpkWHBToODNb3GxlFAUBskTjLPPJZFiwh9Ow0nyNpRL ObviFKg6fbEYetEBD5XJaPd9uRocnXf4vua5/BFSgGzFK3tWOPeMsar3LUw0XmGAwiqF ee6qAIGHNejTh5HVA6wNkBzhIaKNMU6Otu4p3nki+pwtYTyUmLTbxq1ToUSWdIYEL5sq qpqKWOmRU49/aAf+qtJhg6yzpdmBvZEjPz44Cn2yRaftZe3GkdJVrvclU/TrFtEI11Dc CbFniKc64+VDML4UE/oaaT7Sibjqd+kp9U9rhJCZkbaTTq3QjuTLAFZYoqk4iX3Z9hL/ u3Ww== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=5Y3MG4oSwy2FqQgBha7wyvWP6uED9rN6Onh+vTLlZV4=; b=Zv9sttMeZhDbZh7/MPfZgiU0KST3fsi8LO2ZW0K6DLURUF0YWaLmH4Llcpf2gWjyUE JK84ytv4uAk5mQpuEmezh9c54plsb1ifwlff37l8lYhBQO0PvmJ9E98n/hfLOJ5rH5XR dfFJ6wWxLVPzA1yffdyNqW1/IoxKMrdJ5XJP/5CL1ncdoA46OBy2irmhB9lVhLExFwBb U8ni1jgiQcdF6R7ykvUQqBkdjaPT9F1dZqv0bpfgHFNn5xajFL0hgvHpnDnLIJZKc9li FTSY+zIxRDo+2oYObVkri7+K43TkQO3IGM7TREe+K03UwW1Vxw4d72xbuukbvcHWGvZm 6bNA== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw112N3PjOf3IKNrv6O1PLM82WGGCmKBSKgszKATTpSbZD/hHvDFlw nV9Vnkra0PQ2W+1990X6ILmyELx+lQ== X-Received: by 10.107.10.168 with SMTP id 40mr656132iok.210.1500436587441; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 20:56:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.150.87 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 20:56:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Kurt Buff Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 20:56:26 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 03:56:29 -0000 Yes, absolutely - as long as you use hardware that's supported. That can sometimes be a bit tricky, especially for wireless networking - but check your hardware. I've got two laptops and several desktops running FreeBSD. My platforms are mostly for email/office/sysadmin stuff, not gaming/entertainment, but I know there are people out there who do that as well. Kurt On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:32 PM, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: > Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 04:59:49 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230CFDA8FCA for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 04:59:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm13-vm3.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm13-vm3.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B1216B48C for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 04:59:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1500440245; bh=Krjbb7oLJXXF8bT4QSvy1UVqMQBcAQW723/YF7Xkkgg=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=quf6F5uqUAtCQBi8+Oqb1/Gc1c6LEHVyBsZpgb5vTNApCeWJ1VwbO8rZaXPTdWpPEwLuGf4wgfWYdM0Hu/qoi1vG4dF51SO1FuW4M4ZdM0+7FYw3tphJDlPSTbKQagUXZv+euGf6r9T2uUkUsZb4FKKUcMEnbSpDrI+nB99ERodfITpDZgJHyxjoj5hKRrS6n80plVGKD3fWtMl4w3xf7htLM6I2Rnr/OgP3ixYA5CVzfcRYRX/aYKVL8s4lo/AK6kpHctGR8wkF0as3Jz0meqfWyApD959v2i9pbzbO4dKXURAxoUraoCHv61Vf2O835UGhXmvbqmnfZiTWI3q1yQ== Received: from [212.82.98.58] by nm13.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2017 04:57:25 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.99] by tm11.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2017 04:57:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp136.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2017 04:57:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 149490.3619.bm@smtp136.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: HpJqKB8VM1mAQcyxa7CI27Sz4gjMsrJBAStcHgHKqhJxi9g QFNoDbXQpEH6SwVqL.dlw0VocAvM_7EIoS93G2lO_rHXJONoIrX7S4bkIE81 4xSiAIXrETbSdbW1AnVGa_.e5iL5SeYBON22Qh68OHljAgx8ljerxR4uPmIf Ylv61JjM9MRyhm68QWM9RjyqoakPeCS7CBtED3a1chROD79wFlaaLcqqD4yb eVOv2qMJ4cod6rN_xSOHKZEIyn8S9SOPutx2OMglRtiQcpM0tuMbLBAlyP6G HFWl0A_pH9J.1W3_MGQQ06c0lHTAVsgM6n1QIqPeNWzNqEEjHVJVveNrK_BQ wWKD4.OuOkabd7TyygbyD5xSMkCP6m9refMsJpmuGX8ccm0snvCbvBk1ju7K .0iLpOi3yf8ABIgbWVO_dRn.VYRpnVjoeLTbifi3R14kU4GHBeau7urJHhIl 5BTCI5BDEgZPbe.mm.Z8GCS3_9HnooNvR_xzw4sxJsDWL5raEDip_z6r0j9q 6cj2dswc.CGd84DSKMOIB6qxKmXD7bG7n6wd47JnLISnKJrB3Nqb.GRzUiLZ 328sE3F5ODSLAyiHh6NBdEgmqow-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Message-ID: <1500440247.5678.8.camel@rocketmail.com> Subject: Re: Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 06:57:27 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.24.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 04:59:49 -0000 On Tue, 2017-07-18 at 23:32 -0300, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: > Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? Yes you could, OTOH it depends for what domain you want to use it ;). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 07:18:31 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94F6C0829F for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 07:18:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xxjack12xx@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr0-x231.google.com (mail-wr0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F9C96F374 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 07:18:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xxjack12xx@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr0-x231.google.com with SMTP id 12so54561098wrb.1 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 00:18:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=AdQLiq1rlikjZb2XhkGzomGn8bQTjDVg3IWFJ9jliys=; b=CcvlTJAQRN+VgIU0CMxfVFL40Dx5rBhMAfmrBjOMWeVPn8/yAdApMfiZF6X2ueZRza sp8q78Bn1W8AFlnlb7zR33m0w0edNKhhwMmIVBNdGRF9QHec9Op2PsXxsAIZwCKh52zx KJvS3hnAoN51VgRk2kPcZ1qL5WG5ewm5DXhUcYEWWOWtSQuUUhV2xuS1qafueLhfBfPG vvdsjklGPzD/1Sh/+jAosnQx4/V1mgEo8u/0ewmAcLB8vuNNuIE3aX/lJjzs3OgBmiO5 LeS38sdFYVDNkeoUkFk3/yj3MYzXToUJYBz6Lv3Ar7RHrbB6PgyTi0MT9DhJ+NddhwM3 87AQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AdQLiq1rlikjZb2XhkGzomGn8bQTjDVg3IWFJ9jliys=; b=jfTbNCC78Ont2Ss8OZT35R35EreUcAF/a+rTrMW7gZcBA911/s4bvpIoLIjIZDXnft o8PVThczRFWoFEki/4OVcmkgtU9kfBLWU+5d8iBqOFxTzVravjDhYE9+9piO32nS1LcW grHOFXB+JQQYg3KKTqF+WnOME+nPj59ZgjzYD1yFJsFqpu83uJyh5jTVFXDZE3c4PplH P70mN04NICC1m7UfecsEywGhpFEQ7+dKbBi7zGcUu7Z9xM976biI8VZ72q7KzCYJpOjL 9XQXyimGBtOYspeYp2gKOz6Xjzmlz3fd5UCKJyUGaQ3L0y5WkQIP4c1MIalwmb58V3Tq rmKg== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw113ojicQOleDrBbRWuW92PyDo0AA3mGLKUqYl0wPhz+9Ko4LDJAh Vj1oUFwll+i7CfU5kLsgetYDnE/Ang== X-Received: by 10.223.166.7 with SMTP id k7mr3477871wrc.34.1500448709928; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 00:18:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.135.162 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 00:17:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1500440247.5678.8.camel@rocketmail.com> References: <1500440247.5678.8.camel@rocketmail.com> From: "Jack L." Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 00:17:49 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 07:18:31 -0000 I've been using FreeBSD as a desktop for over a decade, works great On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:57 PM, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Tue, 2017-07-18 at 23:32 -0300, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: >> Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? > > Yes you could, OTOH it depends for what domain you want to use it ;). > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 07:44:20 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E674C08A82 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 07:44:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm25-vm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm25-vm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.37]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E02266FF2B for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 07:44:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1500450078; bh=IXxc21wxXgv5zZ6YNr/XM7stInipcAPNfvXEBbg9+y0=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=b/2z1afmUHOuQ79d6/n072zt51nRyGr5w6+x2qqqx3qRg61G3/b37n7pQMBBTJS4WjiI7hvz4i1qxxqn+YhMJZPIDlq/nYVxEtrYi0Tyay8SMNY1GoNurBUqJ5+/aIV8fNbpoTXZ2qI7Me+G/e4+ogUtGuRDSDOrgkCOIqJpoFpuIWLylWJrggv92Tf+wZtYH78b47KHFdjrYA67K/1bd2CcUFUv5b5HFvvCL3tPW9dRxNL6gq2SHv9/oHv8Dc72v7i+tHoR6+5sgyGLMbRmJaQfYdjgt/xoC8/cT/QOWBWkjf/BtC5r5sNlXLvC4xr+dUZ7oH4LKyKH26nae6+w8w== Received: from [212.82.98.54] by nm25.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2017 07:41:18 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.106] by tm7.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2017 07:41:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp143.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2017 07:41:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 813898.52999.bm@smtp143.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: KxOtYxsVM1kfkQoXIseMgRmo7aj.09O99Yu.OLyztYSP6wP o9tgFwuNz5kZjiZ9OCTg.Evh2DrWzJ8RK6vfApgwYZWKi3Ng5fY43A6ptOAL J8BSpPlXRhfChYxK00ZSl197M5GGfTQaw4ll9Dx2ZbZp8t97YDlEXFLzXMjq ozxcajFDt1Wh8ddHmDvASgUjVa_p8oiO7nlT_dS.ZHCWKiHvqJhQy.0uQwMS TKRA_KittbWatQNrlFTWTIYr3xBrxvayEf3DpCkID49.OJ1wkLazZg2c3JfU kk1pSFW3MkSwAVUxtgGrMU4C3.UQ_03MP2d3.GHhvAxIgxa6Nnmux3pM1xvo l1G0J01eGwVmU5mum_vtqUnGL6KPV6l9nIaKQJHq6mx8hiCGBF1Elf6gG8QP 4QaIgyHjQxM9eM1y_gpRIE_VWK4pQRqbXjO9fyurTP_v2uSbCwxiflDcbBQN Z0KHdUbolhycOMVzFPLPx97Nff3nIXTIBbEQacC1HqK7vHKh7XSoOheBHTBn h7CzWyFs_Z1D5sI9.ad.YRIkFnQ9D20OPbqbw.P9WZm18B7GN0bT4F2uzxSD 2OuVVD.UmNClJwksTm9GdSegtlho- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:41:22 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? Message-ID: <20170719094122.3541b41c@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: References: <1500440247.5678.8.camel@rocketmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.0git72 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 07:44:20 -0000 On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 00:17:49 -0700, Jack L. wrote: >I've been using FreeBSD as a desktop for over a decade, works great As already pointed out, it depends on the domain. A WM or a WM + DE and a MUA and browser works great. Professional real-time audio doesn't work at all. There are for sure many domains were it does a good job, but there are also for sure some domains were it can't be used. IOW the OP needs to mention what the desktop PC should be used for. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 08:56:05 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A755FC0A429 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 08:56:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xxjack12xx@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr0-x234.google.com (mail-wr0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FA6A71C14 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 08:56:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xxjack12xx@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr0-x234.google.com with SMTP id 12so55850162wrb.1 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 01:56:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=hySF/lO3Ak3vYMptlNRf9zjx2rkYv3enGCfKt2ug18M=; b=PQLsmmIfwcolOJKIgq4vc59n9tJZh7QMq06liaIUZ9d9VLM+gQ+Oemw8ywl+8Kv3Nu e58fZEYlQcBOHUF4Mo8B0u3z5R1ILxHVEIgnpqN0JUiwUbxwR9b9wc8cX0Ryxrw44BX6 INTc+if8oMU52YoWSFPAu5EM6FFYB8MPhcFUIZ/zShfZ2PuTWvCpZkkUEInSYCCvJgfS W5ILajwwJuC4LaRZaQl0NHcM5Jf219Nch598E7aNTR2eJOJqiVNWbZCpQDBDdXK+hOva F9C3wRjRhu5Qtj5jJo9np4LHhh+DJk3Bp/ozZpXkQ6+pEIr8gLS0R5UWagBjTlOu79FN D/Nw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=hySF/lO3Ak3vYMptlNRf9zjx2rkYv3enGCfKt2ug18M=; b=NsJRYd1yNiuarSinIyuRQyInsdKvYgjXDw94kB/jADRqvtbTkyxiFbaCK7f4fHGKNd q/JzE0F6LXQCz77D6C524OznjggwalGSm81bhVvk174L15+2ZBK8vsFTRiDMLYbrK+vg SXhtTHaZFf1r0vXbLCCYX39Hrt5CLrhZVLGMTawty4fZ0n+in4uDfowKOrlQoyGhtC/N DHyHj0yR9bhO+00RoihXIJNAYDB982ST22WORfIjNiiLCNlZ9/4CeaY0KK+AURfrrjD6 XpCMC7Fynl76QcaCQf/gngtd3wCOksYBsXpLlkxudp5YAq8BNXryLY0YRItGTHTYndEu ifWA== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw110a/T2gDB91BMeDsvr8ODqjcMz3RO0McnIzzfTZ+nBEIx7qYI5l LANf3F39hoWvVkMgR+chou9gPavkhQ== X-Received: by 10.223.178.9 with SMTP id u9mr3494106wra.180.1500454563745; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 01:56:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.135.162 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 01:55:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20170719094122.3541b41c@archlinux.localdomain> References: <1500440247.5678.8.camel@rocketmail.com> <20170719094122.3541b41c@archlinux.localdomain> From: "Jack L." Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 01:55:22 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 08:56:05 -0000 On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:41 AM, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 00:17:49 -0700, Jack L. wrote: >>I've been using FreeBSD as a desktop for over a decade, works great > > As already pointed out, it depends on the domain. A WM or a WM + DE and > a MUA and browser works great. Professional real-time audio doesn't > work at all. There are for sure many domains were it does a good job, > but there are also for sure some domains were it can't be used. IOW the > OP needs to mention what the desktop PC should be used for. Hey, I use it for pro real-time audio. My 2005 era laptop is FreeBSD and it works great for pre-recorded radio shows or live streaming! ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 09:26:21 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F01BFC3120B for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:26:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.fujimoto@yandex.ru) Received: from forward4o.cmail.yandex.net (forward4o.cmail.yandex.net [37.9.109.248]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "forwards.mail.yandex.net", Issuer "Yandex CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A924D72C7F for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:26:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.fujimoto@yandex.ru) Received: from mxback20j.mail.yandex.net (mxback20j.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1619::114]) by forward4o.cmail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id DDBFE20E83; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 12:26:11 +0300 (MSK) Received: from web1g.yandex.ru (web1g.yandex.ru [95.108.252.101]) by mxback20j.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id dUYVaFFVkF-QBaC2MaY; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 12:26:11 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1500456371; bh=jAF/GzToGb3/fePJrcsByrNeXU2TbwOH6RmMbX5f8y4=; h=From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:Message-Id:Date; b=sDzteO6MYzfiyU6lYRH3es4Z8kqGTT2l/iL0FLt3Yv45Pw8icy5kZ2v87Kwg14uIz vx221mqgYa3d+mSLEm4vVXL4ueYVeiun4AclonHI6rf5n2sFazoEhywdjj0d7BIH84 FMuYB9t+HpsUTGB3FhoGyN0DZG4UxTYMoWygbGqA= Authentication-Results: mxback20j.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru Received: by web1g.yandex.ru with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 12:26:11 +0300 From: Masayoshi Fujimoto Envelope-From: m-fujimoto@yandex.com To: SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? Message-Id: <415901500456371@web1g.yandex.ru> X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:26:11 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:26:22 -0000 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 09:29:24 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6297AC31411 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:29:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 385B172EB3 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:29:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1500456563; x=1503048563; h=x-thread-info:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wYNEMYdbVjJz1s/y6hCCm8wv0jnfAA4ZZCfpKp6Nx3I=; b=ZpevnAAMcyOTazfsnzToW0pBrUytF4jYqsE+vMjdGSJ5+Iq9xwhjW11iDfrNC3TYi04sIprWgKF1yq9dUwoztAjLVcLWH4av2Frxf2qRCTXXFs7/Dc8NEw4TqQacawXB1oyq0g/WV3C5ak2tDxIpK4solgxGNaxOaoVzE5kC/LM= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi5kOTAwMDAwMDIyODAyOS5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r1.h.in.socketlabs.com (r1.h.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.180.11]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 19 Jul 2017 05:29:08 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r1.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 19 Jul 2017 05:29:09 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.89 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1dXlJ0-000Lpd-HY; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:30:06 +0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:28:54 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? Message-Id: <20170719102854.041ac2e3a3d3faecae676993@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20170719094122.3541b41c@archlinux.localdomain> References: <1500440247.5678.8.camel@rocketmail.com> <20170719094122.3541b41c@archlinux.localdomain> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.1 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:29:24 -0000 On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:41:22 +0200 Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > Professional real-time audio doesn't work at all. Is that due to lack of support for the APIs normally used or because the underlying sound system is not good enough ? I certainly had no problems with sound system latency way back when I was getting the brooktree video capture cards to work properly (there were sync detection bugs) and talk to ffmpeg - that was nearly 20 years ago, I'd like to think things have got better not worse :) -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 09:47:53 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C37FC319DC for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:47:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from holin@iki.fi) Received: from vs23.mail.saunalahti.fi (vs23.mail.saunalahti.fi [193.64.193.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "vs23.mail.saunalahti.fi", Issuer "vs23.mail.saunalahti.fi" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CFA473725 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:47:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from holin@iki.fi) Received: from vs23.mail.saunalahti.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vs23.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CCC9200E4 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 12:47:43 +0300 (EEST) Received: from gw03.mail.saunalahti.fi (gw03.mail.saunalahti.fi [195.197.172.111]) by vs23.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 027DB200C3 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 12:47:43 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [10.0.0.7] (62-78-248-13.bb.dnainternet.fi [62.78.248.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gw03.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F031320098 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 12:47:41 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Re: Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1500440247.5678.8.camel@rocketmail.com> <20170719094122.3541b41c@archlinux.localdomain> <20170719102854.041ac2e3a3d3faecae676993@sohara.org> From: Heikki Lindholm Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 12:47:47 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170719102854.041ac2e3a3d3faecae676993@sohara.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:47:53 -0000 On 19.07.2017 12:28, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:41:22 +0200 > Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > >> Professional real-time audio doesn't work at all. > > Is that due to lack of support for the APIs normally used or > because the underlying sound system is not good enough ? > > I certainly had no problems with sound system latency way back when > I was getting the brooktree video capture cards to work properly (there > were sync detection bugs) and talk to ffmpeg - that was nearly 20 years > ago, I'd like to think things have got better not worse :) Latency is just one aspect. Hardware timestamping, callbacks, low-level access to device data without kernel conversions and synchronization aids is what pro audio likes. IMHO, no open source OS has a good (pro) audio API, but the development has centered on Linux and ALSA w/jack is already workable. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 09:58:05 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C6C4C31D0E for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:58:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from n1-vm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (n1-vm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.98.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD54E73B5A for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:58:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1500458114; bh=PJMsYvGHMQkE+2sfF1Z/ZXxkC7Ec6bU3G9tUTw5Tin8=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=FfVSuyEc6HNs+JaN/ZxIYXBBtwwWOBMGkcr5NcWF/IWIuMo1wP/5r2t31E6zIu2HQpSNlbRFzo3TQ0FQw7nw7hkraTTD9HldAennWVTnY5ymCPOjAf5TC65hSmyhFq3s4ULT0rNUQJEydLDU3dY3eM8698LmNadviFAsbQS0J1e13Zr0pLYV/xTBM/W733/Pyup1FkoR2G8hOcQgE+ff6H1lgQUbOXvfi4tgG5ywkIhG3TSbHtka8A8jbJBPjXrvXrkI8b+/1BrdhkC8yhc2A/XC2MQqFtMZ1bQpsgzWLMRcs5b10KE8BCCd/7FLfYmR25vC3hPy32to6oNfC1Qlmg== Received: from [212.82.98.131] by n1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2017 09:55:14 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.72] by t4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2017 09:55:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2017 09:55:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 458974.32127.bm@smtp109.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: InZG25AVM1l0I_nervB7qmeIJ0.zgxlPe1x9IbFu5kYsK9E RA6QYenxhI6695qM6ppbdAMBXJu9PS2VsjgNFjmsubd3z0Y3JwtsH2FhUYL5 apzh4Ze2ZDsfzGtF5lT.JFvsLzPFA.ATyGHaDqihK4.yJX0EaBxFp87855Dr IYd_pQUNFiLjfa7Ys_JUv6b2JHnVKgIEW65QM5ausNgQGXzzlYWf2Cm3p_8x 7O_Oj..gDVryH4N1IY.XodbTfKwJbTWLK12BxEy41X3vHmawo2nv9fYg358w jz_sU6ElIFUnUvLBUxrjHCifsVyqcbsEgrEhI437ebap3dVJWKC38W3_L7eZ jw_.zLZsW2OMtfZs8A2j_FKjQb9zx5510bNjfL9l43fcDJcjYQVIfi7lsTzp pPXPl5v.ehN9uSYhJqEse4t6ZLR296VfK_oq509auUmgwaM3AQs3oiIuubv2 B0dZr3oQtBEvvOdKYMIRzY4WaLJXcKDKLJEa7uoQXcj5x7vxol5bn1BG0e_X d2wqyLu2o8VIZpqi7Tw91Hfl50XNc_VC.sRGOg1uSKd36F33NEcgAdovWCuM 4Z_IcyWl3Z5FQytLwD4ISja_rlbg- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 11:55:18 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? Message-ID: <20170719115518.37ee2b89@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: References: <1500440247.5678.8.camel@rocketmail.com> <20170719094122.3541b41c@archlinux.localdomain> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.0git72 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:58:05 -0000 On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 01:55:22 -0700, Jack L. wrote: >On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:41 AM, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions > wrote: >> On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 00:17:49 -0700, Jack L. wrote: >>>I've been using FreeBSD as a desktop for over a decade, works great >> >> As already pointed out, it depends on the domain. A WM or a WM + DE >> and a MUA and browser works great. Professional real-time audio >> doesn't work at all. There are for sure many domains were it does a >> good job, but there are also for sure some domains were it can't be >> used. IOW the OP needs to mention what the desktop PC should be used >> for. > >Hey, I use it for pro real-time audio. My 2005 era laptop is FreeBSD >and it works great for pre-recorded radio shows or live streaming! ;) Hi, ok, the requirements for radio are not very high. Could it be used in a reasonable way for orchestra recordings with Ardour or a comparable DAW and lots of inputs and a professional audio card or to get close to sample accuracy when recording one external MIDI instrument after the other? I've got an RME card, that indeed works with FreeBSD. So at least one card that is better than a pro-sumer card works with FreeBSD. OTOH I seriously doubt that there were that many improvements that FreeBSD has got the ability to work for _all kinds_ of professional audio usage. I might be not up-to-date, OTOH after reading the latest posts to jack-devel@lists.jackaudio.org and the fact that ALSA seemingly isn't available, I've got valid doubts that anything changed within the last years. So at least recording external MIDI gear might suffer from way too much jitter. However, I've got holidays and time to follow hints, how to set up a pro-audio FreeBSD machine. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 10:06:28 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19819C783C6 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:06:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm30-vm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm30-vm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.84]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B140741C6 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:06:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1500458634; bh=I1Gqf3pC8J2e/d8SNKzgW5YBpxx+xlqLNV8Vi+VQUJE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=GiPQNxn5Wks7YxGm95a5QsBfp6C3NdjlcnZMikogjCbXp9BRqM1ujyJCOUusVTlTpsfTY/DXQdv6tRTwTakqWyJ6wPI98U1vL001c+9V/+C/c3dvbEgr79hpjs06H97TQq7RlM/HwRzfx1PHC2UyMvXbSgM7966+mur36MLyD58FHSVHGJpbSnCe/HCE90wDkSIYAST0rPuBfholrEyp7YhI+ca8SM3pFRnvi52LG5NAwEBTYfiNxhqYjqsaJaVWZ0wDUBcnWVVWRKv8SiPT0srcZvupsVakcl/0DVB7PHUbrtu9wbgXLORYP/jBLEel36LL41k7tahhzL2ro3gi5w== Received: from [212.82.98.50] by nm30.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2017 10:03:54 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.84] by tm3.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2017 10:03:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp121.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2017 10:03:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 987671.3304.bm@smtp121.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: AnpB3XsVM1kzuze1Oz.GDw79Kv7I4H3eOFCnb1X4dLeLa9D tufo2kdRn4RQt9WHX.IpdglRRrzvGO6_mLqL_AE6z4pr0zc9zw7C3wV3jGE4 SD1LqggiWieqgWuoWeBSUQftYsMKi3w_YnCpSI5Dq.LR3NiEeE5HQCn6uVL8 7fPGOHqW1yqIYyyIQf_qncEcpmHoxbYlN1LFpLtZu7EstRmrmLGGJu78DxTL fSGdyFrdsrd9ViQnpUzpZZvWlw1hrcZF9nPowY6wFl5Vj5ph3.IEdDEEtv_u PIkQa6XLijTXrsr.7aOrzlzCIGRyhDV09_33.i0U3n3aF0gsNf.SxiPXH1uJ yn6MTSu12RUO9egfpw.aqkATxI6VR..E8S3GD_CsXE2wskhNvpWOP5oWhe.w WuZ3ti3j6MjgVAtJpBsieCMPrOSh798vFN31hTsb2TUee0OrIIlsDjNSbe89 WNyfx8._QczKKNRJOLeiMTM6jtlnngNm1G_hauq7OvQdkk6D5Vv.pIe6faqn OJtgJ4MwZLD6dPeiY3zpPaE9ITDEHjLRfUMWdqEoHYhA9y1ZnBp_m.qscIHO abs66Ez_VgKuIFOONlOKNPtp8iGA- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 12:03:57 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? Message-ID: <20170719120357.45139b0c@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20170719102854.041ac2e3a3d3faecae676993@sohara.org> References: <1500440247.5678.8.camel@rocketmail.com> <20170719094122.3541b41c@archlinux.localdomain> <20170719102854.041ac2e3a3d3faecae676993@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.0git72 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:06:28 -0000 On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:28:54 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >or because the underlying sound system is not good enough I guess that is one reason, even on Linux MIDI jitter is an issue, but there are at least some improvements, when using jackd with special ALSA options. Apart from this I suspect FreeBSD can't compare to the Linux real-time patch and that more pro-sumer, let alone pro-audio cards are supported by Linux. However, professional audio, even hobby audio, is a nice and the OP probably just wants to know, if FreeBSD is for servers only, or also a reasonable OS for desktop usage, in the sense of e.g. office work. IOW we shouldn't capture this thread for a discussion about pro-audio. I only wanted to point out that _no_ OS is superb in all domains. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 10:07:59 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981DDC784BF for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:07:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.fujimoto@yandex.ru) Received: from forward3j.cmail.yandex.net (forward3j.cmail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1630::16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "forwards.mail.yandex.net", Issuer "Yandex CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 547ED742B8 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:07:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.fujimoto@yandex.ru) Received: from mxback9j.mail.yandex.net (mxback9j.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1619::112]) by forward3j.cmail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id DD81C20FC9; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:07:45 +0300 (MSK) Received: from web18g.yandex.ru (web18g.yandex.ru [95.108.252.118]) by mxback9j.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id 0nJb81zUYa-7jg8W8tv; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:07:45 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1500458865; bh=wy/eOrsTo8xO6dQaiDWPdcWIcz/2QgkZ103lap4o2c0=; h=From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:Message-Id:Date; b=CNML2uU++gVmlEmtJiMOmKlk3eHQujH8ZnfUBSKWn8eT1rx6D/kwMKLwJ/YzHjimQ CQYEtm/WYN3JiL0EksEYuXgkWxkN3pLvEgivC5Fq4JIDsgv3VDLGjyZUbBzWxxc7n3 gtTS+cafvNCNG8PS+7fV456qRybyhZ5qXVsliQmA= Authentication-Results: mxback9j.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru Received: by web18g.yandex.ru with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:07:45 +0300 From: Masayoshi Fujimoto Envelope-From: m-fujimoto@yandex.com To: SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re:Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <414741500458865@web18g.yandex.ru> X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 19:07:45 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:07:59 -0000 My laptop is FreeBSD. lol Sometimes, I visit some websites which mainly support Windows' browser. FreeBSD's Firefox is not allow to post data there. I can not watch football there. >_> So I use VirtualBox to use Windows 10. >_> > Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 10:13:51 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5952CC787E7 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:13:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from holindho@saunalahti.fi) Received: from vs20.mail.saunalahti.fi (vs20.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.117.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "vs20.mail.saunalahti.fi", Issuer "vs20.mail.saunalahti.fi" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1958374707 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:13:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from holindho@saunalahti.fi) Received: from vs20.mail.saunalahti.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vs20.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7C5200E9; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:05:03 +0300 (EEST) Received: from gw01.mail.saunalahti.fi (gw01.mail.saunalahti.fi [195.197.172.115]) by vs20.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id D382E20090; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:05:03 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [10.0.0.7] (62-78-248-13.bb.dnainternet.fi [62.78.248.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gw01.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8D12B40151; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:05:01 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Re: Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com References: <1500440247.5678.8.camel@rocketmail.com> <20170719094122.3541b41c@archlinux.localdomain> <20170719115518.37ee2b89@archlinux.localdomain> From: Heikki Lindholm Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:05:07 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170719115518.37ee2b89@archlinux.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:13:51 -0000 On 19.07.2017 12:55, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 01:55:22 -0700, Jack L. wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:41 AM, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions >> wrote: >>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 00:17:49 -0700, Jack L. wrote: >>>> I've been using FreeBSD as a desktop for over a decade, works great >>> >>> As already pointed out, it depends on the domain. A WM or a WM + DE >>> and a MUA and browser works great. Professional real-time audio >>> doesn't work at all. There are for sure many domains were it does a >>> good job, but there are also for sure some domains were it can't be >>> used. IOW the OP needs to mention what the desktop PC should be used >>> for. >> >> Hey, I use it for pro real-time audio. My 2005 era laptop is FreeBSD >> and it works great for pre-recorded radio shows or live streaming! ;) > > Hi, > > ok, the requirements for radio are not very high. > > Could it be used in a reasonable way for orchestra recordings with > Ardour or a comparable DAW and lots of inputs and a professional > audio card or to get close to sample accuracy when recording one > external MIDI instrument after the other? > > I've got an RME card, that indeed works with FreeBSD. So at least > one card that is better than a pro-sumer card works with FreeBSD. OTOH > I seriously doubt that there were that many improvements that FreeBSD > has got the ability to work for _all kinds_ of professional audio usage. > > I might be not up-to-date, OTOH after reading the latest posts to > jack-devel@lists.jackaudio.org and the fact that ALSA seemingly isn't > available, I've got valid doubts that anything changed within the last > years. So at least recording external MIDI gear might suffer from way > too much jitter. > > However, I've got holidays and time to follow hints, how to set up a > pro-audio FreeBSD machine. What would the point when Linux has better real-time behaviour (RT_PREEMPT), better device support, better audio API for the purpose, Firewire audio device support (if needed), better filesystem (XFS), better application support, etc? Unless you want to help in fbsd audio development, I don't think it makes much sense, or does it? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 10:21:15 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC61C78ABF for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:21:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 482254ac@razorfever.net) Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.teksavvy.com", Issuer "DigiCert High Assurance CA-3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9442C74B3B for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:21:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 482254ac@razorfever.net) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0DAGgAuMW9Z/0StpUVbGwEBAQMBAQEJAQEBgj2BHWeQD48/BoEGIiwBlVeCEYVHAoNaQhYBAgEBAQEBAQFrKIUYAQEBAQIBIwQRHigLCxgCAiYCAjkeEAMIAQGKHgUIrm6BbDqLBzKBC4IdgwaCUwuCboU2gkeCYQEEgjGHGA2IYY0BAQKfNBGHAZQYgUQmDSSBChwtN4gFJIkJAQEB X-IPAS-Result: A0DAGgAuMW9Z/0StpUVbGwEBAQMBAQEJAQEBgj2BHWeQD48/BoEGIiwBlVeCEYVHAoNaQhYBAgEBAQEBAQFrKIUYAQEBAQIBIwQRHigLCxgCAiYCAjkeEAMIAQGKHgUIrm6BbDqLBzKBC4IdgwaCUwuCboU2gkeCYQEEgjGHGA2IYY0BAQKfNBGHAZQYgUQmDSSBChwtN4gFJIkJAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.40,380,1496116800"; d="scan'208";a="320736947" Received: from 69-165-173-68.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO mail.razorfever.net) ([69.165.173.68]) by smtp.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 19 Jul 2017 06:21:07 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mail.razorfever.net [192.168.0.4]) by mail.razorfever.net (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTP id v6JAL6up030562 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 06:21:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from 482254ac@razorfever.net) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.razorfever.net: Host mail.razorfever.net [192.168.0.4] claimed to be [127.0.0.1] Subject: Re: zfs send -R | zfs recv aborted To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <2dbcb271-be11-6ca0-fbf0-f21a21725875@razorfever.net> <64602a81-132a-2f8b-076b-3497acb569e3@fjl.co.uk> From: "Derek (freebsd lists)" <482254ac@razorfever.net> Message-ID: <03dbb8de-2d75-6719-1976-8fd02e82ab9d@razorfever.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 06:21:06 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <64602a81-132a-2f8b-076b-3497acb569e3@fjl.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-CA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mail.razorfever.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:21:15 -0000 On 17-07-18 05:19 PM, Frank Leonhardt wrote: > On 18/07/2017 11:02, Derek (freebsd lists) wrote: >> Thanks for the response. Sorry I wasn't clear - those options >> aren't available in 10.2 - and this is the upgrade path for >> this machine (i.e. migrate to a new one). >> >> Other thoughts still welcome. > > I'm not 100% sure that datasets that appear to be good on a > failed send will be safe; I presume you've checked! > > So your problem is that you need to free up broken dataset > snapshots on the receiver. I don't understand why this is a > problem - why not just "destroy" them? > And here, you've gotten to the heart of the matter. Perhaps the questions I mean to be asking are: - How can I tell which datasets/snapshots were received in-tact, and which are only partial transfers? (I *presume* some are in-tact, and they superficially appear to be so.) - Can this be done using only properties/metadata of the zfs dataset + pool? (like a receive completed flag) > You might want to consider a differential "send" (with a -I > (capital i) ) option, which will send the snapshot plus all the > missing intermediate ones. > I tried this route, and it just spun the CPU for a day - perhaps meaningful output was coming, just not then. > I've a dim idea that zxfer might be of some help here, but as you > say, the OpenZFS from 10.3 onwards has exactly the option you need. > That's a good point. I'll look there for some inspiration - and see how deep it goes. > Am I right in thinking these two machines are colocated? Why not > just export the pool on one and import on the other? (Lack of > drive bays being one obvious reason - just get a load of > USB->SATA cables and a hub). Just a thought. > The source machine is active in service. Thanks for that! Derek From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 10:37:04 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01DDC7907E for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:37:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm14-vm5.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm14-vm5.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 306B8753CC for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:37:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1500460453; bh=nCVkCmjdYGlc9yuQDk/2zFOCfjBirOn3i0C4DqKisyg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From:Subject; b=RY4E2AVIDl4ftZcD3o9sgUVeAAet6Vez/4LEavADlJfdGHv4eO7wklc9BpVKWjfiHeVbnri1FKIA+oNtizjTHmC2un+2+3ZU0uneQqHKniYPKOJKmLGwdfNebe29DecDh10TpRt/bjpQh5VpvmSy5fCuKEABFzf9RC5v7NsCtmdheucnedZxCjx3y+TKWpblrRX3lzN2YH9hRtEy5p86x3MF55Hj6ImdAuG/Ed7D7vECMi8lKXBS7EOJO34UepfT/1oFJ0ul/J9DwMj9jIkhz7SGn4ASZco648+n0ngvFMzFXQ6HZRpPwEc4mi0B/hGTs/Y39e4MlvmBrq1ApHDmqQ== Received: from [212.82.98.58] by nm14.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2017 10:34:13 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.82] by tm11.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2017 10:34:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp119.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2017 10:34:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 270838.15385.bm@smtp119.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 6MljB28VM1k5HFP8S4irrABYidRgB.jGK6hgWio1Y_Q5fBe hhKcfw1E_jcKp8CAPsMH5aDPFPGOCVsnj1MigubyO7Ei.So4zGtTIWSRfZnj aKOw02XllM9wVd3lR2hsQ8dJuqOpXjBxoT3EREYDke8byTwI8x03H6tha.WE Eet1R24N6mbOYV2GjZWNI_MeHxavRD3q5r3vooWEbzpkMX41rK_OVR.5AVNl EXGjmA3Ykn_BX8ehlsLoDt1CMXxTZZSBksZU7_2XeC0_0yI.zVMpHD74f8V. gZ2_NpPEZfhBZaabHAh9fKb6x0Q3YUE9PX6sfBgVskyuUEvYNMj6H29BUVG2 Dg6JbkyfyQPw_EQfiTejLIc2dQaQn1r1rcEMUi5vhKy0KVCYzFSYvinLbKus hNM7uYRTYdkPKQRUgbA8QCwMdHXAMEtBbAUb_Xxpwbu6yw8HBMU0zI_1Qg8Z .F7eXzS1tZXBB5AidNGG2pwuG_0UKzrd9IexGB6zQwmsoFXA6Vkml_YkjOMS Nu_70hjC0UMN1kQQrUxDBgCxGe7p6pDLJZsIO7Dy2qvLEZPCfe6pGnK5co.h XkOO9tlI0Vl5HNWGBCEwrLCSm5ho- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 12:34:17 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: FreeBSD questions Subject: Professional audio - Was: Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? Message-ID: <20170719123417.6783aa7b@archlinux.localdomain> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.0git72 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:37:04 -0000 On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:05:07 +0300, Heikki Lindholm wrote: >On 19.07.2017 12:55, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: >> However, I've got holidays and time to follow hints, how to set up a >> pro-audio FreeBSD machine. > >What would the point when Linux has better real-time behaviour >(RT_PREEMPT), better device support, better audio API for the purpose, >Firewire audio device support (if needed), better filesystem (XFS), >better application support, etc? Unless you want to help in fbsd audio >development, I don't think it makes much sense, or does it? I've got neither the abilities to help much in FreeBSD audio development, nor the time. I didn't use FreeBSD audio since several years, so my assumptions might be wrong. Seemingly I'm not mistaken ;). Btw. I guess the file system doesn't matter at all. On Linux use a SSD mounted with noatime or even a SATA HDD mounted with relatime and use any extFS or perhaps for Linux unusual other FS you want, with hundreds of short recording snippets, on a halfway new machine. I'm using just dual-core around 2 GHz with 8 GiB, while even 4 GiB already work. Newer SATA is better than older SATA, but even this unlikely matters. 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Отправить заявку на поисковый анализ - http://reactorspark.ru/ --- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 12:29:46 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8087EC7C521 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 12:29:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay15.qsc.de (mailrelay15.qsc.de [212.99.187.254]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7CB57D5DC for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 12:29:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay15.qsc.de; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:29:36 +0200 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-112-241.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.112.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CF993CBF9; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:29:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v6JCTYCW002086; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:29:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:29:34 +0200 From: Polytropon To: SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? Message-Id: <20170719142934.3fe4b9d6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay15.qsc.de with A20BE6835DD X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.1310 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 12:29:46 -0000 On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 23:32:43 -0300, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: > Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? Definitely. I'm doing this since FreeBSD 4, as my home PC is what the "desktop" metaphor implies. There are several desktop environments to choose from, versatile window managers, plenty of application programs for web browsing, e-mail, office, gaming, multimedia, software development, web design, print, photo & imaging, and so on. Installation and updating is easy with the "pkg" tool. I'm running FreeBSD desktops in various environments, such as home use, "home office" and "real office", and laptops. The ability to select the right set of tools for the task at hand, and being able to perform tasks that often require system compatibility, interoperability and operations safety is a great key advantage of FreeBSD. Adding non-desktop functionality to an existing desktop system is also possible, in case you should need it (for example, an office desktop running a web server for a small in-house web solution). However, specific domains might be lacking functionality as they are in a "locked market" where no software (or no sufficient software) might exist outside of a closed ecosystem. In that case, emulation or virtualization of the target system sometimes can bring the required functionality to FreeBSD, but there are still niches where it just does not work as expected. It all depends on _what_ you're _actually_ going to do. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 13:12:10 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F889C7D043 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:12:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ftp51246-2575596@sh4-5.1blu.de) Received: from sh4-5.1blu.de (sh4-5.1blu.de [178.254.11.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2AF5D7EBAB for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:12:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ftp51246-2575596@sh4-5.1blu.de) Received: from ftp51246-2575596 by sh4-5.1blu.de with local (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dXoGa-0000Q5-Ua for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:39:48 +0200 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:39:48 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? Message-ID: <20170719123948.GA29881@sh4-5.1blu.de> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz References: <20170719142934.3fe4b9d6.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20170719142934.3fe4b9d6.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:12:10 -0000 El da Wednesday, July 19, 2017 a las 02:29:34PM +0200, Polytropon escribi: > However, specific domains might be lacking functionality as > they are in a "locked market" where no software (or no > sufficient software) might exist outside of a closed ecosystem. > In that case, emulation or virtualization of the target system > sometimes can bring the required functionality to FreeBSD, but > there are still niches where it just does not work as expected. > > It all depends on _what_ you're _actually_ going to do. ;-) I run FreeBSD and KDE (all from SVN trunk) on all my laptops and netbooks. I have no windows at home, and the exceptions to FreeBSD are my wife's laptop (runs Ubuntu) and all mobile devices of my family (all Ubuntu too). And, speaking as a software developer, things which can not be done with the tools provided by FreeBSD and its ports collection, perhaps are not worth to do. matthias -- Matthias Apitz | /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign: E-mail: guru@unixarea.de | \ / - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | X - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-176-38902045 | / \ - Respect for open standards | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCII_Ribbon_Campaign From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 13:41:42 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00D2C7DA98; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:41:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from korg@tune-it.ru) Received: from mail.elcom.spb.ru (sungate.elcom.spb.ru [82.179.66.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85A2B7FD50; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:41:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from korg@tune-it.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tune-it.ru; s=dkim; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:Cc:References:To:Subject; bh=rrDyA8pox2uMAsCubDwoZV4Aild1M4AmCLioujxm7vs=; b=mFFA4w6CQqoKYnntVbKhLE34FXBMv/bTOX4ajNZgqO87hNlTEcExwfOYarTEk5tQucndWt1tXy+cDSamkrp/bF1leouTFWY/ai4/7YyTPE4J6IU3CoDdSIU9YL/6C8ofCrfcLqLr3X5DjyBPtp8ZCfvwmMxcHvFca2h6A0NvQ3zdAUhMmdaD7MvYhSB1YslalqpUAFhjvVF1kzhM/ZDIeE9xKxWb8osKEZGNlpxgzW3YW/6ht1zLLs4Dz6FprBptsBAiSXfYWZ2NBdXV8Q7q6EBhHHe9KIPnryFP7HWxxnpapLb4nR6j2RHi4ABO5OXl3sVGHkne8EE3HaE7U0W96A==; Received: from dhcp-2-191.elcom.spb.ru ([192.168.2.191]) by mail.elcom.spb.ru with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.85 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1dXpEQ-0006JQ-4h; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 16:41:38 +0300 Subject: Re: Inter-VLAN routing on CURRENT: any known issues? To: "O. Hartmann" , Frank Steinborn References: <20170712214334.4fc97335@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <20170713211004.13492aef@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <20170716230514.0c2e5c65@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <20170716211441.GA63054@krenn.local> <20170716233158.53f5d6e3@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> Cc: "Andrey V. Elsukov" , FreeBSD CURRENT , FreeBSD Questions From: korg@tune-it.ru Message-ID: <019eb889-ebc1-3c38-8070-1779476d6db2@tune-it.ru> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 16:41:38 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170716233158.53f5d6e3@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:41:42 -0000 Do you receive packets from 192.168.2.0/24 and 192.168.3.0/24 on igb1.2 and igb1.3 respectively? Do you really need NAT? As far as I can see, you're looking for static inter-VLAN routing. Could you check the communication between 2.0/24 and 3.0/24 with unloaded ipfw module? I have a lot of installations of such scheme on em(4) and re(4) devices -- no problems at all. Even maybe there was igb(4) devices too. Sergey Zhmylove 17.07.2017 0:31, O. Hartmann пишет: > Am Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:14:41 +0200 > Frank Steinborn schrieb: > >> O. Hartmann wrote: >>> I have not have any success on this and I must ask now, to not make a fool out of my >>> self, whether the concept of having several vlan over one single NIC is possible with >>> FreeBSD (12-CURRENT, as of today, r321055. >>> >>> Since it is even not possible to "route" from a non-tagged igb1 to a tagged vlan >>> igb1.2 or igb1.66 (for instance) on the same NIC, I have a faint suspect that I'm >>> doing something terribly wrong. >>> >>> I think everyone working with vlan should have those problems, but since I can not >>> find anything on the list, I must do something wrong - my simple conclusion. >>> >>> What is it? >> Do you have enabled net.inet.ip.forwarding? >> > Of course I have. As I stated earlier, ICMP pings from on VLAN to another over this > router works, but any IP (UDP, TCP) is vanishing into thin air. > > I don't have a FBSD-11-STABLE reference system at hand, so that I can check with another > revision/major release of the OS, but I work on that. > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 14:14:30 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3646C7E5C1 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:14:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C8D380EBB for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:14:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9000F62127; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:14:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JLjWxlXndBav; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3A5F4620AF; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:14:21 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=harte-lyne.ca; s=dkim_hll; t=1500473661; bh=3coacn4Gs3e3MEmeaPTb+e6+Py36vXyTS9S0eh9KH/s=; h=In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To:Cc:Reply-To; b=jQOblfOX6Ujaw6BMxTWqt2gdIqEBL5BYIsG/u0cq0RVdVJ7swd1gPqlY7AxI+83sy UvXj+ewz8QVG1JphsrUW+iHpNJXwz7NpQohLBekrmRQ6RdNcm8kOOQ9D/gHrDmnYMa TSKIsrTUcEFIrighuDQ7ZzOpxZkCSBaZVBheeZseMJE3pDt2daDZksYTKPsbujoK6Q cQEGzmE2eTh4qZEwSbYPBogCp7AqZu/HoQYEV6OZ2Dw0fRmhgQ6VwWDdTpmPaAV+yy mTQYNt0WsYFE6M3AjsRP/328wxG2/kLGsEYgOEroeSWLjysJSzl1DIghHTkgar/wHU wEI21nExszW/w== Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:14:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1fcfd3205168a0fb1ea0003fcf83f48b.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:14:21 -0400 Subject: Re: sshd logging From: "James B. Byrne" To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu Cc: "FreeBSD Questions" Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:14:30 -0000 On Tue, July 18, 2017 10:32, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > And KGB is not mentioned at all because they are not only always > successful, but also always either through NSA or CIA ;-) > Perhaps the FSB would be a better choice of initialism? I think that the KGB as such has gone the way of NKVD and SMERSH; not to mention the OSS. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 14:34:49 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A261C7EC6B for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:34:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF6181D1B for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:34:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 17135CB8CEE; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:34:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:34:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <61192.128.135.52.6.1500474880.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20170719120357.45139b0c@archlinux.localdomain> References: <1500440247.5678.8.camel@rocketmail.com> <20170719094122.3541b41c@archlinux.localdomain> <20170719102854.041ac2e3a3d3faecae676993@sohara.org> <20170719120357.45139b0c@archlinux.localdomain> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:34:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Ralf Mardorf" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:34:49 -0000 On Wed, July 19, 2017 5:03 am, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:28:54 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >>or because the underlying sound system is not good enough > > I guess that is one reason, even on Linux MIDI jitter is an issue, but > there are at least some improvements, when using jackd with special ALSA > options. Apart from this I suspect FreeBSD can't compare to the Linux > real-time patch and that more pro-sumer, let alone pro-audio cards are > supported by Linux. > > However, professional audio, even hobby audio, is a nice and the OP > probably just wants to know, if FreeBSD is for servers only, or also a > reasonable OS for desktop usage, in the sense of e.g. office work. IOW > we shouldn't capture this thread for a discussion about pro-audio. > > I only wanted to point out that _no_ OS is superb in all domains. And thanks to that we, sysadmins, have our jobs ;-) Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 15:15:16 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98972C7F637 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 15:15:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sarah.bartholomew@nobilityhost.com) Received: from mail-yw0-x248.google.com (mail-yw0-x248.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::248]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65AD383064 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 15:15:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sarah.bartholomew@nobilityhost.com) Received: by mail-yw0-x248.google.com with SMTP id l39so2538175ywa.15 for ; 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Wed, 19 Jul 2017 15:16:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB00832EE for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 15:16:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id E4F24CB8CEE; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:16:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:16:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <25403.128.135.52.6.1500477382.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:16:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Lagg eth+WiFi configuration - works but not "by the book" From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal References: In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 15:16:24 -0000 Dear Experts, I run FreeBSD on my laptop for a couple of years at least, but finally I decided to climb off the tree, and configure networking right. Namely: make a single configuration, and have it using wired connection when available, and wireless when disconnected from wired network. Lagg with failover from wired to wireless seems to be right thing, so I followed brilliant FreeBSD handbook: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-aggregation.html Which never worked for me (WiFi claimed authentication failure), even though each of connections enabled one at a time worked well. I have found workaround: Instead of starting wlan0 with MAC address of wired adapter as described in handbook, I did the opposite and started wired interface with MAC address of wireless, then created lagg, - did the rest by the book. Which works nicely, I'll paste my /etc/rc.conf below in case someone has trouble I had. I wonder what I was doing wrong when I followed the handbook and it didn't work for me. Any obvious "pilot error"? Here is relevant portion of my working /etc/rc.conf (with obfuscated MAC address, note that MAC address I start wired card with 70:18:8b:XX:XX:XX is MAC address that WiFi card has): ifconfig ... wlan0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 ether 70:18:8b:XX:XX:XX ... cat /etc/rc.conf ... ifconfig_em0="up" ifconfig_em0="ether 70:18:8b:XX:XX:XX" wlans_ath0="wlan0" ifconfig_wlan0="WPA" create_args_wlan0="country US" cloned_interfaces="lagg0" ifconfig_lagg0="up laggproto failover laggport em0 laggport wlan0 DHCP" ... Thanks. Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 15:19:23 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BDBFC7F888 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 15:19:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from friedrich.locke@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qt0-x244.google.com (mail-qt0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA685835CF for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 15:19:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from friedrich.locke@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qt0-x244.google.com with SMTP id 50so722255qtz.0 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 08:19:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-transfer-encoding; bh=a73aFUIMPj2wbcT3tcth/OBt4BCwD1T6+EUz+D0e5Sc=; b=jbcYHQN+KcKL+f2EnXvpOa/3xFjSBv0+gegROSA8lnUV/CfO6/BTzscb4gjHxPmyaj WZ5O35M/RuKpgGb8eGt2T3zDR2+5qWNaV1ir+mx4fNluSWbNEQv3V2bIRwcJ2LWr6m+l PgzQFLaKVEbOgWsV94vlSO9tbEEeLjQH9DtNR7eY7qPq4BB1GkNbXGBltq+1dSjXb7pQ NQ/zCWoMMVZcYmdC/PexNvWK+ONZALXdIKQJgy1he9kZYtLFgFqKoZqDV5acyYnxv2nT GlJQFOcENLyrpS0uj9m0jJ47q51UjxGpCsT9uOIrrn2uD46TBI4uKFsIDDj0Aahc6G14 Nf1A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-transfer-encoding; bh=a73aFUIMPj2wbcT3tcth/OBt4BCwD1T6+EUz+D0e5Sc=; b=OoQ+Z3CtwA+82Uq+aqZU+2Jb2p10OQOtTtSAj6S43EkclRf5qITUFpUjmhiMCJHCcK Z+Jmp52kGAYPz2ASuJ2Jwgjf+87LeFsg0KNVV4ot2IT0vaSdXLuI/HXZ3UvnAgmuSMp/ G+go4aUhjcjmp6iitGX+7qIST2I2QfsAMaAUOPcuoi9sK+rmoQUepskeDrI2uv5cgZHR zoFAqOipyXVswb60sOCz9u9zUUMycUPt9Y2X9+04gk2iPbfwBEjgmBuaDHuBYCL/FGEI tkHkjCHWUHtpwTwikLp4ryfnWtHqbIJTdiNJ9NnlPshsuFHw4P+bh5oyPh6e5St1j4Wz p7Ig== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw112YZ1tkoinoi338wKPHNWVnsdQpF82deMS92JnS3/klcmRmRoTV /kkuCH/yV85BJ+1+ X-Received: by 10.200.8.188 with SMTP id v57mr607293qth.213.1500477561885; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 08:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.103] (187-78-186-164.user.veloxzone.com.br. [187.78.186.164]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f128sm178963qkc.13.2017.07.19.08.19.20 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 19 Jul 2017 08:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <596F7874.1030102@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 12:19:16 -0300 From: Friedrich Locke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: portsnap Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 15:19:23 -0000 How to specify to portsnap the version of ports i want. Currently, i believe, i am using ports -current. I want to use the stable version. Thanks. 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[87.9.185.105]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k203sm100437oia.24.2017.07.19.08.19.46 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 19 Jul 2017 08:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avalon.thwn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by avalon.thwn (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 596969c3 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 17:19:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 17:19:43 +0200 From: fml To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? Message-ID: <20170719151943.GA1859@avalon.thwn> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 15:19:49 -0000 On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 11:32:43PM -0300, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: > Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? You know best. For my use case, I can say FreeBSD works great. How about my use case? Well, I'm a lawyer and use it for text processing, web browsing and to connect to some reserved networks (read: justice). Desktops used by lawyers must (or, should...) comply to data protection regulations (in my case, EU Regulation) and FreeBSD implements great technologies I deploy: - data encryption (geli; if you're unfortunate enough, gbde); - different user roles (unix users and jails); - different data access profiles (mac_mls; mac_biba deployment in progress...have still to please Xorg); - backups (the usual suspects; since I need encrypted off-site backups I'm investigating Tarsnap, avaiable as package); - access logging and logging of administrators' actions (syslog, sudo and the right Michael W. Lucas book). So, here's how FreeBSD serves me as a desktop OS and I'm happy with it. f. 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[87.9.185.105]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j71sm7995472oiy.36.2017.07.19.08.30.03 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 19 Jul 2017 08:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avalon.thwn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by avalon.thwn (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 3a94474e for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 17:30:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 17:30:01 +0200 From: fml To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portsnap Message-ID: <20170719153001.GA2087@avalon.thwn> References: <596F7874.1030102@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <596F7874.1030102@gmail.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 15:30:06 -0000 On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:19:16PM -0300, Friedrich Locke wrote: > How to specify to portsnap the version of ports i want. > Currently, i believe, i am using ports -current. I want to use the > stable version. > As far as I know, you can't. You can use subversion and checkout branch 2017Q3 instead. Bye, f. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 15:35:27 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E63C7FF05 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 15:35:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA774841F2 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 15:35:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 0BEBECB8CEE; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:35:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:35:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <63615.128.135.52.6.1500478520.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20170719151943.GA1859@avalon.thwn> References: <20170719151943.GA1859@avalon.thwn> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:35:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "fml" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 15:35:27 -0000 On Wed, July 19, 2017 10:19 am, fml wrote: > On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 11:32:43PM -0300, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: >> Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? > > You know best. > > For my use case, I can say FreeBSD works great. > > How about my use case? Well, I'm a lawyer and use it for text > processing, web browsing and to connect to some reserved networks (read: > justice). Desktops used by lawyers must (or, should...) comply to data > protection regulations (in my case, EU Regulation) and FreeBSD > implements great technologies I deploy: > > - data encryption (geli; if you're unfortunate enough, gbde); > - different user roles (unix users and jails); > - different data access profiles (mac_mls; mac_biba deployment in > progress...have still to please Xorg); > - backups (the usual suspects; since I need encrypted off-site backups > I'm investigating Tarsnap, avaiable as package); You can also look into bacula or its fork bareos. I use bacula for quite some time, and plan to switch to bareos hopefully soon. Just my $0.02 Valeri > - access logging and logging of administrators' actions (syslog, sudo > and the right Michael W. Lucas book). > > So, here's how FreeBSD serves me as a desktop OS and I'm happy with > it. > f. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 16:15:50 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9348BCFCAC5 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 16:15:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay11.qsc.de (mailrelay11.qsc.de [212.99.187.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD610EE5 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 16:15:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay11.qsc.de; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:15:40 +0200 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-112-241.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.112.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CD553CC3F; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:15:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v6JGFcAV002185; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:15:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:15:38 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Friedrich Locke Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portsnap Message-Id: <20170719181538.c3a80f39.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <596F7874.1030102@gmail.com> References: <596F7874.1030102@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay11.qsc.de with E220E6A357D X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.1327 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 16:15:50 -0000 On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 12:19:16 -0300, Friedrich Locke wrote: > How to specify to portsnap the version of ports i want. > Currently, i believe, i am using ports -current. I want to use the > stable version. The ports collection cannot be tracked that way with portsnap, as far as I know, as it is in "ongoing flow"; with portsnap, you always get the latest snapshot of that tree. For a more "precise" selection you'd have to checkout the tree using subversion (svn). In this case, you can specify the point in time, for example, the tree corresponding to 10.3-RELEASE, or a quarterly snapshot, or the snapshot that existed at the time of a specific -STABLE version. OS versions and ports revisions aren't exactly "hard tied" to each other. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[82.58.151.91]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j71sm8326623oiy.36.2017.07.19.10.03.42 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:03:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avalon.thwn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by avalon.thwn (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id a409aeb2; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 19:03:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 19:03:39 +0200 From: fml To: Valeri Galtsev Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? Message-ID: <20170719170339.GA1843@avalon.thwn> References: <20170719151943.GA1859@avalon.thwn> <63615.128.135.52.6.1500478520.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <63615.128.135.52.6.1500478520.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 17:03:45 -0000 On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 10:35:20AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > You can also look into bacula or its fork bareos. I use bacula for quite > some time, and plan to switch to bareos hopefully soon. Thanks for your suggestions, but I think bacula would be a bit overkill for me. I should setup and maintain an off-site bacula server...and think about encrypting data before it leaves my pc. I was looking for something that handles all that for me. Thanks, f. 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20170719151943.GA1859@avalon.thwn> <63615.128.135.52.6.1500478520.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20170719170339.GA1843@avalon.thwn> From: Duane Whitty Message-ID: <1518ae4a-51a5-f799-30e8-981a2a133c18@nofroth.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 15:22:59 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170719170339.GA1843@avalon.thwn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:23:03 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 17-07-19 02:03 PM, fml wrote: > On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 10:35:20AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> You can also look into bacula or its fork bareos. I use bacula >> for quite some time, and plan to switch to bareos hopefully >> soon. > > Thanks for your suggestions, but I think bacula would be a bit > overkill for me. I should setup and maintain an off-site bacula > server...and think about encrypting data before it leaves my pc. > > I was looking for something that handles all that for me. > > Thanks, f. _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To > unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > AWS S3? You can use your own key or use AWS Key Management System. Best Regards, Duane - -- Duane Whitty duane@nofroth.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJZb6N/AAoJEOJfpr8UVxtkkVgIAKDz6ZFqPytMKareKJKWxBVa zf3oHr5rx/JCrQc1mgze+fJ+fedI9s7dsK7paXdE4vahkzQ9rtdBXW2a90OymhrA dCVV57JE88lsOUVAj0aiEi0yA0XtvIFTh74dDrkqRIx9cTudadCZBFfcVOcxkuvO mI8L3omCeFLYHli/Ue5p8wMp35ui5Sjixc3oOBUkeYgrJPzB0vGfdDbAx5wA3y3L RC8agglZmXqfX9Me4PazvjQmy41+mv1Gv9zofYXtnz/gTXWnM2zvYJcyLN68gRYL P+fg2fmuxs46EcFYdVMAAwEEwuVnzCoEEoLE4coR8jxMqUaPTHWq1Ghg0xAIeME= =1oOG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 18:42:42 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01809CFF95C for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:42:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@passap.ru) Received: from forward4o.cmail.yandex.net (forward4o.cmail.yandex.net [37.9.109.248]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "forwards.mail.yandex.net", Issuer "Yandex CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C9ED66B1B for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:42:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@passap.ru) Received: from smtp2o.mail.yandex.net (smtp2o.mail.yandex.net [37.140.190.27]) by forward4o.cmail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 02FBA206D2 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 21:42:37 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp2o.mail.yandex.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2o.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id D70605080D9F for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 21:42:36 +0300 (MSK) Received: by smtp2o.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id WrqpN8fNO0-gZEG7GnL; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 21:42:35 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=passap.ru; s=mail; t=1500489755; bh=Cv8cWwtKrS40M5nlMUVg7b+9xz2v2TRF4b8/ubTOrtM=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To; b=YTjWNv8wMSQc2UHGSdg/0Y/XiGkkzgzOFJBa5Pzlei6AWoOcnaQyAhLOCBn/5JKoy xdevwR99rEXDDv2h8xe1zk21Unp8Idyd0xxUWkE9sPPfyHQdwVbAg3iNR/xv9pLFLz NY4VAgErEIpDkc78yImR2CZUrKxXYbivgpzv+ty4= Authentication-Results: smtp2o.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@passap.ru X-Yandex-Suid-Status: 1 0 Subject: Re: Lagg eth+WiFi configuration - works but not "by the book" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <25403.128.135.52.6.1500477382.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> From: Boris Samorodov Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 21:42:35 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <25403.128.135.52.6.1500477382.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:42:42 -0000 19.07.2017 18:16, Valeri Galtsev пишет: > Dear Experts, > > I run FreeBSD on my laptop for a couple of years at least, but finally I > decided to climb off the tree, and configure networking right. Namely: > make a single configuration, and have it using wired connection when > available, and wireless when disconnected from wired network. Lagg with > failover from wired to wireless seems to be right thing, so I followed > brilliant FreeBSD handbook: > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-aggregation.html > > Which never worked for me (WiFi claimed authentication failure), even > though each of connections enabled one at a time worked well. Recently there was a similar discussion at freebsd-current@ ML with subject "Failover Mode Between Ethernet and Wireless Interfaces broken on >= 11". > I have found workaround: Instead of starting wlan0 with MAC address of > wired adapter as described in handbook, I did the opposite and started > wired interface with MAC address of wireless, then created lagg, - did the > rest by the book. Which works nicely, I'll paste my /etc/rc.conf below in > case someone has trouble I had. > > I wonder what I was doing wrong when I followed the handbook and it didn't > work for me. Any obvious "pilot error"? > > > Here is relevant portion of my working /etc/rc.conf (with obfuscated MAC > address, note that MAC address I start wired card with 70:18:8b:XX:XX:XX > is MAC address that WiFi card has): > > ifconfig > ... > wlan0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 > ether 70:18:8b:XX:XX:XX > ... > > cat /etc/rc.conf > ... > ifconfig_em0="up" > ifconfig_em0="ether 70:18:8b:XX:XX:XX" > wlans_ath0="wlan0" > ifconfig_wlan0="WPA" > create_args_wlan0="country US" > cloned_interfaces="lagg0" > ifconfig_lagg0="up laggproto failover laggport em0 laggport wlan0 DHCP" > ... You didn't show the configuration that failed to work for you. I use almost configuration as at the Handbook but the line after the "create_args_wlan0" line: --- ifconfig_wlan0=up --- HTH -- WBR, bsam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 19:28:08 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 129EAD7C7E8 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 19:28:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com", Issuer "dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECAF2686FC for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 19:28:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from [74.134.208.22] ([74.134.208.22:63304] helo=localhost) by dnvrco-omsmta03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTP id 36/0A-25786-5C2BF695; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 19:28:06 +0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 19:27:58 +0000 Message-ID: <36.0A.25786.5C2BF695@dnvrco-omsmta03> From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re:Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? References: <414741500458865@web18g.yandex.ru> X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.64.88:25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 19:28:08 -0000 from Masayoshi Fujimoto: > My laptop is FreeBSD. lol > Sometimes, I visit some websites which mainly support Windows' browser. > FreeBSD's Firefox is not allow to post data there. > I can not watch football there. >_> > So I use VirtualBox to use Windows 10. >_> Is FreeBSD's Firefox not capable, or does the website discriminate against the user-agent string that shows FreeBSD? You could, through about:config or Firefox add-on, modify the user-agent string so that the OS shows as Windows or Mac OS. See also http://www.whatismyuseragent.net/ Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 19:30:29 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63956D7C942 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 19:30:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tetrosalame@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x233.google.com (mail-wm0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08EC868902 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 19:30:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tetrosalame@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x233.google.com with SMTP id k69so7334288wmc.1 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 12:30:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=PD0yzgTB+BMJ3x+JJg/Q11zgWiUWNz/1Z5/5EnEP9ZQ=; b=LvKJjknl/uSMLHxfXQI7roairvlHIbJfaZg5LjdiRK+VmJOtGZhO6gjUERx+s7/w6n vAclbckyFBPL/1tR5piIr5w/mR2JJxj1+SqRVMGct8sBIC8J7IIcL0+AHJYgdY4wAbHb MqtjD/WNGmge6Ut3fIVIRfMUtnv6LxcdAbd0iTgvKtlkH/KHuO6MiXCkou+UNr2m8IZA 8Y7peU0X8Vp87ZdW9cunnFOTdZCB0FxEZdG6ZluhfB+pwvtDtSzZTCRYTWSsWEgtkmIn ZMKzcytEAzEbL9jnBmO/UwOEUM8J0wTlaRh0ry9bvBR5ieNuT3qqkf+63ixIOH/xxclt UEIw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=PD0yzgTB+BMJ3x+JJg/Q11zgWiUWNz/1Z5/5EnEP9ZQ=; b=HIOq1BHs8jrwMXcgzmcXRHm7XjCCHRorBRXZzlMV98t+QjSaGgak4AayLgK1ysWSFM UVtn9dDUdTzCRUM3Bc71P9ZNRqRJhYNmHj+gV7QLL8j08ZD1mh0SZbfuDdrn73e0xzzz 4ztLvdDIoZOnE5eDIFHdeHtDy4n5DEqI7pmWBQeSRDBqnjHIfeYWf17uhS7bRsVdPJAd IJ5H5cge6hoe3ubPt5emyWYBdK6o+B+nH/Ak6tH0U07mTg7wk765yvNpg8/Tyh2Ev5R/ kUNFKPxWhKIEl710VWB7REdrWgb0O6GdkcYcREDR2cKp+QbwLpO5jQhlFptDu5gUkf3f oNHQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw110RAFbiiEN80R6WpkRiJvXBNjxuwpBDQjMvWzPVzD7QVRlyJ41R KWEgUS7FKLnbeI90rFU= X-Received: by 10.28.111.84 with SMTP id k81mr699476wmc.67.1500492627033; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 12:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avalon.thwn (host250-211-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it. [79.44.211.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k137sm713530wmd.22.2017.07.19.12.30.25 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 19 Jul 2017 12:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avalon.thwn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by avalon.thwn (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 65eedca2 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 21:30:24 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 21:30:24 +0200 From: fml To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? Message-ID: <20170719193023.GA1874@avalon.thwn> References: <20170719151943.GA1859@avalon.thwn> <63615.128.135.52.6.1500478520.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20170719170339.GA1843@avalon.thwn> <1518ae4a-51a5-f799-30e8-981a2a133c18@nofroth.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1518ae4a-51a5-f799-30e8-981a2a133c18@nofroth.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 19:30:29 -0000 On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 03:22:59PM -0300, Duane Whitty wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 10:35:20AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > >> You can also look into bacula or its fork bareos. I use bacula > >> for quite some time, and plan to switch to bareos hopefully > >> soon. > > > > Thanks for your suggestions, but I think bacula would be a bit > > overkill for me. I should setup and maintain an off-site bacula > > server...and think about encrypting data before it leaves my pc. > > > > I was looking for something that handles all that for me. > > AWS S3? You can use your own key or use AWS Key Management System. Thank you, I'll investigate AWS. Regards, f. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 19 21:13:59 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B780FD7E882 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 21:13:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63EC86CCC3 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 21:13:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local (unknown [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:1c1d:86a1:a200:b700]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B943F8442 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 21:13:55 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/B943F8442; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: portsnap To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <596F7874.1030102@gmail.com> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <4d04df1c-f68d-eed4-70fd-927f3fcff231@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 22:13:55 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <596F7874.1030102@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xtI3hXQALsuwEGmRc6ow4mMoh7mcOxieI" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 21:13:59 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --xtI3hXQALsuwEGmRc6ow4mMoh7mcOxieI Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="4KCjxCmrRx2fLoLPTvkUi0kXd04KaPfWr"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <4d04df1c-f68d-eed4-70fd-927f3fcff231@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: portsnap References: <596F7874.1030102@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <596F7874.1030102@gmail.com> --4KCjxCmrRx2fLoLPTvkUi0kXd04KaPfWr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 19/07/2017 16:19, Friedrich Locke wrote: > How to specify to portsnap the version of ports i want. > Currently, i believe, i am using ports -current. I want to use the > stable version. There is no 'stable' branch in the ports equivalent to the stable branches in base. There's current, which is what portsnap gets you, and there are the quarterly branches which portsnap doesn't understand at all= =2E If you want to track a quarterly branch then use svn(1) to check out the code: # cd /usr # svn co https://svn.freebsd.org/ports/branches/2017Q3 ports Then you can just 'svn up' periodically to pull in any updates. Except that svn(1) is not in the base system, so you'll need to install it from ports... To solve this chicken-and-egg problem, just install svn using packages: # pkg install subversion The default pkg(8) configuration will use the latest quarterly branch. 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Except > that svn(1) is not in the base system, so you'll need to install it from > ports... To solve this chicken-and-egg problem, just install svn using > packages: > > # pkg install subversion > > The default pkg(8) configuration will use the latest quarterly branch. Just for the record, there is svnlite in base, so you don't need the full svn per-se. Best regards, Frank From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 20 03:07:02 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4E6DA4F71 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 03:07:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89137DD11 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 03:07:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 68734CB8CF0; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 22:07:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 69.209.232.160 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 22:07:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <62518.69.209.232.160.1500520020.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 22:07:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Lagg eth+WiFi configuration - works but not "by the book" From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Boris Samorodov" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal References: <25403.128.135.52.6.1500477382.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 03:07:03 -0000 On Wed, July 19, 2017 1:42 pm, Boris Samorodov wrote: > 19.07.2017 18:16, Valeri Galtsev пишет: >> Dear Experts, >> I run FreeBSD on my laptop for a couple of years at least, but finally I >> decided to climb off the tree, and configure networking right. Namely: make a single configuration, and have it using wired connection when available, and wireless when disconnected from wired network. Lagg with failover from wired to wireless seems to be right thing, so I followed brilliant FreeBSD handbook: >> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-aggregation.html >> Which never worked for me (WiFi claimed authentication failure), even though each of connections enabled one at a time worked well. > > Recently there was a similar discussion at freebsd-current@ ML with subject "Failover Mode Between Ethernet and Wireless Interfaces broken on >= 11". > >> I have found workaround: Instead of starting wlan0 with MAC address of wired adapter as described in handbook, I did the opposite and started wired interface with MAC address of wireless, then created lagg, - did the >> rest by the book. Which works nicely, I'll paste my /etc/rc.conf below in >> case someone has trouble I had. >> I wonder what I was doing wrong when I followed the handbook and it didn't >> work for me. Any obvious "pilot error"? >> Here is relevant portion of my working /etc/rc.conf (with obfuscated MAC >> address, note that MAC address I start wired card with 70:18:8b:XX:XX:XX >> is MAC address that WiFi card has): >> ifconfig >> ... >> wlan0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 >> ether 70:18:8b:XX:XX:XX >> ... >> cat /etc/rc.conf >> ... >> ifconfig_em0="up" >> ifconfig_em0="ether 70:18:8b:XX:XX:XX" >> wlans_ath0="wlan0" >> ifconfig_wlan0="WPA" >> create_args_wlan0="country US" >> cloned_interfaces="lagg0" >> ifconfig_lagg0="up laggproto failover laggport em0 laggport wlan0 DHCP" ... > > You didn't show the configuration that failed to work for you. I use almost configuration as at the Handbook but the line after the > "create_args_wlan0" line: > --- > ifconfig_wlan0=up > --- > My fault. Here is portion of /etc/rc.conf done by the book (by me...) that didn't work for me (MAC address of my wired interface is obfuscated): --- ifconfig_em0="up" wlans_ath0="wlan0" ifconfig_wlan0="WPA" create_args_wlan0="wlanaddr 00:21:70:XX:XX:XX" cloned_interfaces="lagg0" ifconfig_lagg0="up laggproto failover laggport em0 laggport wlan0 DHCP" --- I modified it as you suggested (any mistakes?): --- ifconfig_em0="up" wlans_ath0="wlan0" ifconfig_wlan0="WPA" create_args_wlan0="wlanaddr 00:21:70:XX:XX:XX" ifconfig_wlan0=up cloned_interfaces="lagg0" ifconfig_lagg0="up laggproto failover laggport em0 laggport wlan0 DHCP" --- --- But it didn't help: still "no carrier". I also tried to add "country US" to args as folloows: --- ... create_args_wlan0="wlanaddr 00:21:70:e9:ff:97 country US" ... --- (did I screw up with syntax here?) which didn't help either (I have "country US" in my working configuration, but it seems I don't need it as starting wireless on its own without using lagg works without this option. Thanks, Boris for your help. I still have a feeling I am doing something wrong. But luckily, I have working workaround (having wired interface with MAC address of wireless - as opposed to what handbook describes), so I did successfully climbed down off the tree (or out of cave ;-) and made my FreeBSD laptop use wired and wireless connections intelligently (as my macintosh does). Thanks. Valeri > > HTH > -- > WBR, bsam > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 20 03:28:24 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09EF5DA5824 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 03:28:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from holin@iki.fi) Received: from vs20.mail.saunalahti.fi (vs20.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.117.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "vs20.mail.saunalahti.fi", Issuer "vs20.mail.saunalahti.fi" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFA1F7E57A for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 03:28:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from holin@iki.fi) Received: from vs20.mail.saunalahti.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vs20.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D65B20134 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 06:28:18 +0300 (EEST) Received: from gw01.mail.saunalahti.fi (gw01.mail.saunalahti.fi [195.197.172.115]) by vs20.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62BE92012E for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 06:28:18 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [10.0.0.7] (62-78-248-13.bb.dnainternet.fi [62.78.248.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gw01.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5BC924034C for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 06:28:16 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Re: portsnap To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <596F7874.1030102@gmail.com> <4d04df1c-f68d-eed4-70fd-927f3fcff231@FreeBSD.org> <20170719214134.GA74679@krenn.local> From: Heikki Lindholm Message-ID: <4d944ac6-d921-d368-dd8d-14ae42dbfdd6@iki.fi> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 06:28:17 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170719214134.GA74679@krenn.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 03:28:24 -0000 On 20.07.2017 00:41, Frank Steinborn wrote: > Matthew Seaman wrote: >> Then you can just 'svn up' periodically to pull in any updates. Except >> that svn(1) is not in the base system, so you'll need to install it from >> ports... To solve this chicken-and-egg problem, just install svn using >> packages: >> >> # pkg install subversion >> >> The default pkg(8) configuration will use the latest quarterly branch. > > Just for the record, there is svnlite in base, so you don't need the > full svn per-se. In which case, the chicken-and-egg problem will be reduced to getting ca_root_nss from ports, or giving up security. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 20 03:39:20 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 531D2DA5C55 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 03:39:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roger@qxxy.com) Received: from mail-ua0-x236.google.com (mail-ua0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 10D307EA06 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 03:39:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roger@qxxy.com) Received: by mail-ua0-x236.google.com with SMTP id 35so13916244uax.3 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 20:39:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=qxxy.com; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=wbvNOs2mcNecuNrQXd5patZhDT+EEhYD8tQWif3LkP8=; b=SQouyUUVv26fPU5WMcgWtfekc8oB08hae0Qs2ojT7pRX59LH+u0FLxIdjRf5jxFDJE N9japajoU7+2ZoOTyKpf+EP+0dttcABZESFDKOFsmf5Xw5uVINwyJp1ATb2XNCR8Rwvd r8v1u2KYsuenTaHYkKEFaeoYx+E06AbjVaDT0= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=wbvNOs2mcNecuNrQXd5patZhDT+EEhYD8tQWif3LkP8=; b=k7iiYLkKo7js8iFGlSwPCjsVGQRshFVw0JYDPAZCgoBkl12pS0um2hSz3bQXPL2qo9 FqjXIxKCJ4wT+G2gZSaU6M7wNR4tGUk3IPwQUYnv+rHvj1RGLwNVtXsO+ln0OK3/T+qS rzpvHlacMxsHXEDELRNRonVNyLQiFNswhPFhKhHQjokwxWZ0BnQ+9fbWj35b2jEu16l/ 3xx++91yeMDKO1qe6TaQk0gr6UrgQ2RekdLSiIlTwAxSkGQ46NGFG8jLmLZs7hQr/tjT J5BU3NRtUz/KCbKWnQ9AjRqzX3LcgX+JEnh02kLU2+pQ16Oqh2DhaImZqa4WkLujinAq cs0g== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw1133Vh2jZXmCtjEST0xPsJnqSXBiC0Aso+i+mrZQsC4b17Xoos/9 Rc+lXjEnGbOP0Q18YIw/Wm5zHsqAYnt9 X-Received: by 10.31.168.65 with SMTP id r62mr739728vke.175.1500521959232; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 20:39:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.149.11 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 20:38:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [50.90.163.130] In-Reply-To: <20170719151943.GA1859@avalon.thwn> References: <20170719151943.GA1859@avalon.thwn> From: Roger Pate Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 23:38:38 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? To: fml Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 03:39:20 -0000 On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 11:19 AM, fml wrote: > - backups (the usual suspects; since I need encrypted off-site backups > I'm investigating Tarsnap, avaiable as package); Tarsnap works great on FreeBSD. I have this script in my crontab: #!/bin/sh -ue cd / tarsnap=--tarsnap=/usr/local/bin/tarsnap # /usr/local/bin not in default PATH from cron /root/bin/tarsnap-backup "$tarsnap" roger home/roger/serve/hg home/roger/vault home/roger/projects case "$(date +%d)" in 01|15) /root/bin/tarsnap-prune-old "$tarsnap" --keep-days=30 roger ;; esac Where tarsnap-backup and tarsnap-prune-old are from my repo https://bitbucket.org/rdpate/one-off/src/360557bf714ec5b3b0f6a06f085fb8037b333a13 (as well as cronic, used to call the above script from cron). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 20 03:53:19 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B567DA72CC for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 03:53:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roger@qxxy.com) Received: from mail-ua0-x22f.google.com (mail-ua0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 10F7B7F13E for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 03:53:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roger@qxxy.com) Received: by mail-ua0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id 35so14058110uax.3 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 20:53:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=qxxy.com; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=1/97TYyoISg5qDk+6TJrsVM4gBfC1OViyxAXa/KRAfI=; b=NgYxFBbbwQPVTC2RVHRqcON2wCuxB1MGXxBvyPSN2tVZtEMziWvVGHjQ7Ay7JSuv+Y /w5dcVOUvQxLKyteT9u6SdKI/UCPUOXK+y8a8FfFncvBaCVQhvzG2HR9Bvq/7fDGYMFG O1e0ZyW/Eg+cgq88jh6HB3TECX1XrgIaWWRIY= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=1/97TYyoISg5qDk+6TJrsVM4gBfC1OViyxAXa/KRAfI=; b=mn3WklOXTwbNRGckkjcKIS782NufISd3BNPD1W5WsGs+QYanPAQt1EIXXAF8scP74l p8i6ujh65bXzGBNvV5NpulB/W7jMyyGWkyhJQMfZ2m4UUTt6OWHGuBQXtzppLTVhcmeC xqKvEg9mb7+KSdYoOovtqd/DtgwHYJDs2aOlKBL7Ok4OFe1Q8vf11BxDLq2ZTUQ+cto2 SbocVQrwx0qOkczZX+H9qZDyjqJpSyu/WLFIPxNgc5Us0TAnSIlbL+8X482Nr/5M9G9u LLakk9GRL/k4wRhd01sprIb7uBQd6wTQ4Rxz3MTQw5eDsFqTZq0qHIpjwYaRFeFkZorQ ZL6A== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw113v7NVO+puEUg1qQJqwzdQa3lIiZbuFbRh+NBZq6VEAQSaEazRk e7f8X18yq4BFmN9Z+NHOeA49TbSL+fcs X-Received: by 10.31.244.135 with SMTP id s129mr1138139vkh.167.1500522798129; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 20:53:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.149.11 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 20:52:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [50.90.163.130] In-Reply-To: References: From: Roger Pate Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 23:52:37 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: security/doas can't work with zsh alias To: alphachi Cc: "list: freebsd" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 03:53:19 -0000 On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 8:25 AM, alphachi wrote: > I'm preparing to migrate to doas and the following commands are my test: > ... > % echo $SHELL > /usr/local/bin/zsh > % doas echo $SHELL > /usr/local/bin/zsh Would you rather test the following? % doas printenv SHELL (note when $SHELL's value is expanded in yours vs mine) As you mentioned in another reply, you do indeed want your shell to expand your aliases for doas commands before executing doas, which the trailing space (alias doas='doas ') indicates. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 20 04:41:46 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB964DA83DE for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 04:41:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from suvzer@gmx.com) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AA9F80388 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 04:41:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from suvzer@gmx.com) Received: from localhost ([91.83.181.3]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001 [212.227.17.184]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MgKUo-1dDkkJ3heI-00Nm1n; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 06:41:38 +0200 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 06:41:36 +0200 From: David Gruhk To: SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? Message-ID: <20170720044136.GA9146@localhost> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:mLSGJ/pOTPCwGZ6dirbLUMKkk/Z7rqQ0YpNL5uqvi4TXoMt1KOK bEbPwv23KMGf814uT/Nl1z0MieCg0D19pmqaep1QWPrQ2cuGbXdIbBFwLZQ47VLPlN8XMQU 14NQwCu0gpAS9Xz/Ox/mS7nwz6Ij9KnF5tdQ2cGDVjK4F3NMUHwDAott+1VaoXqk2DruaOl lWjvXMgA95BG9goHbL6zQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:/nup163Wbyo=:T6hGKNVph/87ttMx/QrLQm v/QUnRQtDQKL8qilGGYikxtFgRyqDLFdsiGzwdPup0phvNx3pqgrZgzZDat6uJ1t3yQlz7jTw 3NgCNSPws6SmuBKmzXoJ4fJNUC5Eu70Ulk8DTz3PqkepmlqyfckpZmNWBE+zqbO2pYTQSyqm/ pPBSSeUHYaDrl9qc+8Al3dH8ETfgXAMwQ/sAQvxJH8kFHQz18+ycukCyohkDHBHkfQ/4dcY1m cyQHaqcvdVjFxgiRXJh8C8cA9PFsG41qnqrzCJjZkod3rMcPwKZTe7K1bwg1Zms0GpB+Yl883 bWn94pcu19UuPWG4pAzqlpQ22HZaGD/m7RDQwJS+dFvrJnDf5n7szjsfw3g22VPWSFd5gjZI1 MboXn4LxjVwHHBc1jnOT81Jx0rEI4a/hLg6n+83seFM+mlGK8OrV17nNVu9neV0dCFY0BVeY7 Qj9xKUMpnfLZ0d5kQ2H2R+QbbsMzCImePX6QtJ6S3RU7cY5zhbY2/dD2+fl7C8L/+F9w0Fl4Q vsx1HYpYhykq4Amkcvb5d7cSVEquAGIT1ED/gQqLrnkzPz0oMpx5TJZtW5GP4S9zDEDSxX91Z RguE8ZD0TsviUJTvf5iXXavrll3Wlhy27ZdkjNHA3VEHet07esXZuXbZsEM/9g6wRrwHUFPWs U6ProYe4c90MNPdibpWoRsaJCfZAGAKto/OXUNK+mARFOkBdS7WrHuu7OcrI14f3yk6cwtvlN cb6Ccrze8UFbI9CABVkVEZ+xRUnh2ppc80ZqLkN0h5yqd6GDeLBIOOGCkI0/UaK0j8bX1be4J KJ5AqNgD1FWxK+aWsesW6KV5nHqPw== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 04:41:46 -0000 On 17.07.18Tue 23:32, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: > Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? There are 2 problems with FreeBSD. 1. We are without boot/mfsroot since FreeBSD 9, so you can not start the installer from Grub. This is problematic, if you can not use CD, FDD, PXE, USB booting. You can start the NetBSD, OpenBSD and Linux installer from Grub. In this case you can use dd: dd if=installed_in_other_PC of=not_boot_media_capable_PC I am in this situation now, I hope the dd or maybe dump-restore method will work!!! Or, if you are brave, you can use the closed source Plop Boot Manager. I am not daring, because it is closed source. 2. We have not LVM (deprecated, not recommended) with UFS, only with ZFS, but ZFS has too big memory claim. I don't dare use ZFS with 512MB-1GB (neither 4GB) RAM with a few 100 GB HDD space. FreeBSD has a big advantage compared with NetBSD and OpenBSD: 3 month long supporting binary packages, where you get only security and bug fix (quarterly branch). Of course it would be better more months, or overlapping the quarterly packages, but at the moment the project missing human resources. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 20 05:44:06 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E18DA927B for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 05:44:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay15.qsc.de (mailrelay15.qsc.de [212.99.187.254]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 023E28177A for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 05:44:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay15.qsc.de; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 07:44:01 +0200 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-105-193.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.105.193]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89E113CC3F; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 07:44:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v6K5hx90001941; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 07:43:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 07:43:59 +0200 From: Polytropon To: David Gruhk Cc: SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? Message-Id: <20170720074359.cf3edf1c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20170720044136.GA9146@localhost> References: <20170720044136.GA9146@localhost> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay15.qsc.de with D73A86835B9 X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.1448 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 05:44:06 -0000 On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 06:41:36 +0200, David Gruhk wrote: > On 17.07.18Tue 23:32, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: > > Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? > > > There are 2 problems with FreeBSD. > > > 1. We are without boot/mfsroot since FreeBSD 9, > so you can not start the installer from Grub. > This is problematic, if you can not use CD, FDD, PXE, USB booting. > You can start the NetBSD, OpenBSD and Linux installer from Grub. For a common desktop installation today, this shouldn't be a problem. Modern (and not-so-modern) desktop systems boot from USB and optical media just fine, so supplying the installer should be easy. > In this case you can use dd: > dd if=installed_in_other_PC of=not_boot_media_capable_PC > I am in this situation now, I hope the dd > or maybe dump-restore method will work!!! The recommended method for a system transfer is to initialize the disks as needed, then use dump | restore. But other methods also can work, but it depends on many factors. > 2. We have not LVM (deprecated, not recommended) with UFS, > only with ZFS, but ZFS has too big memory claim. > I don't dare use ZFS with 512MB-1GB (neither 4GB) RAM with a few > 100 GB HDD space. With UFS, you can use gstripe and gmirror for LVM; I don't know if "vinum" is still supported... > FreeBSD has a big advantage compared with NetBSD and OpenBSD: > 3 month long supporting binary packages, > where you get only security and bug fix (quarterly branch). FreeBSD is also a great "never touch a running system" kind of system. In case you don't want (or can't) update, things installed once usually keep running well for a very long time, as long as your requirements don't change. I still have systems running the old versions FreeBSD 4, 5, and 8, for internal purposes. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 20 07:23:37 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C16DAAAE4 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 07:23:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raimo+freebsd@erix.ericsson.se) Received: from sessmg22.ericsson.net (sessmg22.ericsson.net [193.180.251.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC04A83D2D for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 07:23:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raimo+freebsd@erix.ericsson.se) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3a-bea2a9c000001b2f-d5-59705a6edc6c Received: from ESESSHC009.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.45]) by sessmg22.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 62.A7.06959.E6A50795; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 09:23:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from duper.otp.ericsson.se (153.88.183.153) by smtp.internal.ericsson.com (153.88.183.47) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.352.0; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 09:23:23 +0200 Received: from duper.otp.ericsson.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by duper.otp.ericsson.se (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v6K7NORK095107 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 09:23:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from raimo+freebsd@erix.otp.ericsson.se) Received: (from raimo@localhost) by duper.otp.ericsson.se (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id v6K7NNNf095106 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 09:23:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from raimo+freebsd@erix.otp.ericsson.se) X-Authentication-Warning: duper.otp.ericsson.se: raimo set sender to raimo+freebsd@erix.ericsson.se using -f Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 09:23:23 +0200 From: Raimo Niskanen To: Subject: Re: Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? Message-ID: <20170720072323.GA93821@erix.ericsson.se> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20170720044136.GA9146@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20170720044136.GA9146@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFjrLLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7rm5eVEGkwa2fZhYvv25icWD0mPFp PksAYxSXTUpqTmZZapG+XQJXxspTh1kLzrFV3Gy/xt7AuJi1i5GTQ0LARKL98yEgm4tDSOAI o0Tv3GtsEM5GRokfOyeygFQJCbQzSTzZmguReMoosWzPRWaI9hyJt5+OMoHYLAKqEjf3rWcH sdkETCUaf54BWyEioCzx7xpEvbCAscS8BbfAhvIC1XxeP5cJwtaX+LjiFSvEshKJZc2HmCHi ghInZz4Bq2cW0JFYsPsT0HUcQLa0xPJ/HCBhTgE9ie3LP7KDhEVBVn2FmqItMeHNAdYJjMKz kAyahWTQLIRBCxiZVzGKFqcWF+emGxnppRZlJhcX5+fp5aWWbGIEBvLBLb+tdjAefO54iFGA g1GJh9c9tCBSiDWxrLgy9xCjBAezkgivbCBQiDclsbIqtSg/vqg0J7X4EKM0B4uSOK/DvgsR QgLpiSWp2ampBalFMFkmDk6pBsbCeWwbq1p4F1WtmmOvuuB87bQKjmeLPqhXrWqr+L/pqo+Z eLrslMriuTIbD/+QvTvXs9LuKPOqzv/cfsXVT1cdmpDzZTpXUXL8k4XJG89NsDwYVj7t/coD 76/9PC+0J/MC8+n9XqfMRHNENtuk9a87fun5aqVJLKaykdm6YZvVNY03Rumw7ZimxFKckWio xVxUnAgAfdHHoGACAAA= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 07:23:37 -0000 On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 06:41:36AM +0200, David Gruhk wrote: > On 17.07.18Tue 23:32, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: > > Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? > : > FreeBSD has a big advantage compared with NetBSD and OpenBSD: > 3 month long supporting binary packages, > where you get only security and bug fix (quarterly branch). Sorry to feed the OP troll, but I have to correct/expand on that: If you use OpenBSD and (free) openup from M:Tier you get max 1 year (preferably 6 months then upgrade to the next release) of binary security patched base system and packages for the latest and previous releases. > Of course it would be better more months, or overlapping the quarterly packages, > but at the moment the project missing human resources. > -- / Raimo Niskanen, Erlang/OTP, Ericsson AB From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 20 15:35:43 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD944C7A8BF for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 15:35:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9EED46DB28 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 15:35:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) by bucksport.safeport.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v6KFZag6031981 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 11:35:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 11:35:36 -0400 (EDT) From: DTD To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: UEFI booting question Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]); Thu, 20 Jul 2017 11:35:36 -0400 (EDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 15:35:43 -0000 I have installed FreeBSD 10.3 into a partition but am unable to figure out how to get rEFInd boot the partition. The gpart list shows the following (I have filled in info from Windows dispart also): ada0 GPT (932G) -free- 1.0M ada0p1 EFI 1.0M K ada0p2 ms-reserved 16M ada0p3 ms-basic-data 446G C Windows ada0p8 EFI 1.0G ada0p9 freebsd-swap 4.0G ada0p10 freebsd-ufs 438G -free- 241M ada0p4 ms-basic-data 25G D LENOVO ada0p5 !de94bba... 1.0G WINRE_DRV ada0p6 !de94bba... 15G LENOVO_PART ada0p7 !bfbfafe7... 1.0G -free- 712K I do not know what to do from here. gpart set -a actvie ada0 breaks all except from booting from the CD. geom=ada0 is the only accepted target for set. Killing windows is not a deal breaker for me (I tried to get the laptop w/o an O/S). I can not tell if doing a full disk install will revert all to a legacy BIOS setup. _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 20 16:49:14 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA654C7BE57 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 16:49:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erisianash@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk0-x231.google.com (mail-qk0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77462702A2 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 16:49:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erisianash@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qk0-x231.google.com with SMTP id t2so13095796qkc.1 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 09:49:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=gJbi4/xifjaDkep2NYnLFrOtuas38VMhueXP8GeePL0=; b=Ak9AUQ4vt7YSneneL70IESGazy3toe5pqPAcgEej4tLkZrFSoc8//jHhEGUoW6i9zm 4bAO5TDihpISBe0t2EqPPrXpPlol00qplxbeDuZJTsFhKjpZ0ByzTop3W08BkpOZgfD9 bfAFKzZylm5GolMf7zwbW1Q0rftaAQ8KziOhGtQuBH4FIev8Dmu/e0ptzrxoiQOdo3E7 XuZxK8EmburAyrh1csuuoh+Yj5ltEhMzzH4JsCd0eHjxXd8MQ/nZWrbi8z3AaVIU10Ml FWt1opysqTf1UKaH2v4l/adQWN4yiM879vFVefHjNDR5saaH3WxkmMWVwS48VoNSVpKQ rKOA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=gJbi4/xifjaDkep2NYnLFrOtuas38VMhueXP8GeePL0=; b=uJ+lPIjj3JTw6XQuudUc4BxGlyQBRnmJYyldWAFCH90gPS8b8sBCyMFUEQxj4ekAbD ySRtSsjo39rA6MYtRhSWrq4vnOUt8SlI80AOmPhiWlmf0E0RFZZgjt0drqFcrWLPc5Gc YvxREfwdijCHhCAIYH9OQ8YKV37gbN3URiqbMAsfQ5OemAyHAIx6HGvBF7jGq3p6kSmf 8ouz2x91th3Fmx9TPZYQjpPFmUk4z3MV4mCQH8PSZUSZJoteFVQitohSk9i9C/v+u+ld xnacd85P4iRGg+zWyMMfCvkC6WyOnXJkIImL/RQZoX9tmyI5kK2hAiijsUvghfKxD9a/ 6FzQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw112otr2/UM6a4DNVmWjes+Og4D3afw68lTrdZg05YF6LeQVKFNzo pHchnm0VxEhwUlyoJu7fF6BSIAJ3LsuV/7I= X-Received: by 10.55.65.22 with SMTP id o22mr5303088qka.213.1500569353378; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 09:49:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.86.197 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 09:49:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Ashley Chase Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 09:49:12 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: UEFI booting question To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 16:49:14 -0000 iOn Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 8:35 AM, DTD wrote: > I have installed FreeBSD 10.3 into a partition but am unable to figure out > how to get rEFInd boot the partition. The gpart list shows the following (I > have filled in info from Windows dispart also): > > ada0 GPT (932G) > -free- 1.0M > ada0p1 EFI 1.0M K > ada0p2 ms-reserved 16M > ada0p3 ms-basic-data 446G C Windows > ada0p8 EFI 1.0G > ada0p9 freebsd-swap 4.0G > ada0p10 freebsd-ufs 438G > -free- 241M > ada0p4 ms-basic-data 25G D LENOVO > ada0p5 !de94bba... 1.0G WINRE_DRV > ada0p6 !de94bba... 15G LENOVO_PART > ada0p7 !bfbfafe7... 1.0G > -free- 712K > It seems odd to me that you have 2 EFI partitions. Where did the second ada0p8 come from? > I do not know what to do from here. gpart set -a actvie ada0 breaks all > except from booting from the CD. geom=ada0 is the only accepted target for > set. > Check out uefi(8) man page. Assuming you have refind installed, you should be able to copy /boot/loader1.efi to your ESP after mounting it. (The EFI System Partition is just an FAT32 filesystem. Refind should find the efi executable automatically. If you don't have refind installed. look at the instructions for manually installing on linux. You'll have to rename refind_x64.efi to bootx64.efi because FreeBSD doesn't have efibootmgr. You may need to grow the ESP to fit refind or trim down the refind files. Also, if you go resizing Windows partitions MAKE SURE to fully shutdown Windows or disable "rapid startup" or whatever it's called if you're running Windows 8 or newer. > Killing windows is not a deal breaker for me (I tried to get the laptop w/o > an O/S). I can not tell if doing a full disk install will revert all to a > legacy BIOS setup. > If you boot with UEFI when installing, you should have the choice to install using GPT or MBR partitioning and BIOS or UEFI bootloader. On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 8:35 AM, DTD wrote: > I have installed FreeBSD 10.3 into a partition but am unable to figure out > how to get rEFInd boot the partition. The gpart list shows the following (I > have filled in info from Windows dispart also): > > ada0 GPT (932G) > -free- 1.0M > ada0p1 EFI 1.0M K > ada0p2 ms-reserved 16M > ada0p3 ms-basic-data 446G C Windows > ada0p8 EFI 1.0G > ada0p9 freebsd-swap 4.0G > ada0p10 freebsd-ufs 438G > -free- 241M > ada0p4 ms-basic-data 25G D LENOVO > ada0p5 !de94bba... 1.0G WINRE_DRV > ada0p6 !de94bba... 15G LENOVO_PART > ada0p7 !bfbfafe7... 1.0G > -free- 712K > > I do not know what to do from here. gpart set -a actvie ada0 breaks all > except from booting from the CD. geom=ada0 is the only accepted target for > set. > > Killing windows is not a deal breaker for me (I tried to get the laptop w/o > an O/S). I can not tell if doing a full disk install will revert all to a > legacy BIOS setup. > > _____ > Douglas Denault > http://www.safeport.com > doug@safeport.com > Voice: 301-217-9220 > Fax: 301-217-9277 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Ashley Chase From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 20 23:37:47 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82DECCFE6EA for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 23:37:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2819080984 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 23:37:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (host86-191-18-76.range86-191.btcentralplus.com [86.191.18.76]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v6KNbTUi066539 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 00:37:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Subject: Re: portsnap To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <596F7874.1030102@gmail.com> From: Frank Leonhardt Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 00:37:28 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <596F7874.1030102@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 23:37:47 -0000 On 19/07/2017 16:19, Friedrich Locke wrote: > How to specify to portsnap the version of ports i want. > Currently, i believe, i am using ports -current. I want to use the > stable version. No one has actually mentioned that the clue is in the name - it's a snapshot of "now." It's worth noting that there are plenty of useful command-line options, such as putting the snapshot somewhere other than "/usr/ports" and owned by root (make sure you redirect the db too). Regards, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 21 00:02:58 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D7E2CFF1C3 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 00:02:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2049B819C0 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 00:02:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7182A6211D for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 20:02:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Lb8oSL_IPSw for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 20:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 926C662103 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 20:02:48 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=harte-lyne.ca; s=dkim_hll; t=1500595368; bh=i+dF+uMZT7aRRdpd5bb7EU4HJK5U8QBRVN8hMAkXW/k=; h=Date:Subject:From:To:Reply-To; b=W2eXkPxsaRyn2BlpMEsXQ8t8/J27ffITFfBP0ErwUdpHKFnBLRC1QBt8xj4oOcY/H 2n46YiQ3tmYSGOrjlw7I3jgNysU8iR3pLTw3jTiWCLPc8lhE6z5BTCjO6cXByKJ8ZO J7Jq6SONh6QSBMvqs3f6Hf+9BBtmkhBYA90ddlbyEE0XEuNDFR6n9PMO9DtYmy4m7U wTh8BWqkjL+26TVeG9tPkyFwaYELv+6qy8o5FtrLgB7sRaX2IcwIdyW5vmahMvRVtH ub+WZZMVywNpas5jAY6DR6gFiokpTSrnxUlwHgnwMZ+7PycX3nxLSGK7CdjyDHd8T9 8zicadCR2P4Qg== Received: from 216.185.71.22 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 20:02:48 -0400 Message-ID: <971f810719a155f3963f2ff37c3488d3.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 20:02:48 -0400 Subject: UEFI and FreeBSD-11 From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 00:02:58 -0000 My CentOS-6 based workstation is dying a slow death due to bit rot and so I decided to swap out the existing disc drive for another. Given that I had to reinstall anyway I decided that now was the time to try out FreeBSD-11 as a desktop. This Intel based system had UEFI enabled. Apparently this may have a surprising, to me, effect on the video display used for the system console in text mode. For whatever reason the boot process insists on treating a 480x640 60Hz display as 800 x 480 at some other refresh rate, probably 75Hz. This produces a difficult to read flickering display and oddball presentation artifacts such as typing at a cursor presented mid way from the top over existing text and displaying the output at the bottom of the screen. Is this a known phenomenon? Is there something that I am supposed to do to get this to work properly or do I just disable UEFI? -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 21 00:03:49 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421E1CFF274 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 00:03:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9822E81A95 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 00:03:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (host86-191-18-76.range86-191.btcentralplus.com [86.191.18.76]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v6L03k0K071513 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 01:03:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Subject: Re: zfs send -R | zfs recv aborted To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <2dbcb271-be11-6ca0-fbf0-f21a21725875@razorfever.net> <64602a81-132a-2f8b-076b-3497acb569e3@fjl.co.uk> <03dbb8de-2d75-6719-1976-8fd02e82ab9d@razorfever.net> From: Frank Leonhardt Message-ID: <82dbfae3-4ae0-0ab6-7268-a7bfb2282083@fjl.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 01:03:46 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <03dbb8de-2d75-6719-1976-8fd02e82ab9d@razorfever.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 00:03:49 -0000 On 19/07/2017 11:21, Derek (freebsd lists) wrote: > On 17-07-18 05:19 PM, Frank Leonhardt wrote: >> >> I'm not 100% sure that datasets that appear to be good on a failed >> send will be safe; I presume you've checked! >> >> So your problem is that you need to free up broken dataset snapshots >> on the receiver. I don't understand why this is a problem - why not >> just "destroy" them? >> > > And here, you've gotten to the heart of the matter. Perhaps the > questions I mean to be asking are: > > - How can I tell which datasets/snapshots were received in-tact, and > which are only partial transfers? (I *presume* some are in-tact, and > they superficially appear to be so.) > - Can this be done using only properties/metadata of the zfs dataset + > pool? (like a receive completed flag) > I can't come up with an answer that would convince me if I was faced with this. But I think there's a reasonable chance that a scrub would pick up any problems. If any block was out of place it would flag as soon as it was read as it would fail the checksum, and scrub reads every block - so if the snapshot shows up, all the blocks below it must be linked and are either there or the branch is broken. > >> I've a dim idea that zxfer might be of some help here, but as you >> say, the OpenZFS from 10.3 onwards has exactly the option you need. >> > > That's a good point. I'll look there for some inspiration - and see > how deep it goes. > >> Am I right in thinking these two machines are colocated? Why not just >> export the pool on one and import on the other? (Lack of drive bays >> being one obvious reason - just get a load of USB->SATA cables and a >> hub). Just a thought. >> > > The source machine is active in service. Okay, so desperate then. Crazy thoughts I'd have when desperate.... Are these in a SAS expander/enclosure? Could you mount the new drives on the old box rather than using the network? How much has changed in the snapshots that you want take with you to the new system (zfs list -t snapshot)? Roll back the new zpool and then do a differential send to the latest snapshot. This might be fairly painless if the original snapshot contains the bulk of the data anyway. And now for completely crazy.... Could you mirror the existing vdevs on to the new disks 1:1 - resilver, take a snapshot and then detach from the mirror and you have a perfect copy? This couldn't possibly work, of course, but I can't actually think why not at 1am... Regards, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 21 00:14:19 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C051CFF610 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 00:14:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C27A981E95 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 00:14:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (host86-191-18-76.range86-191.btcentralplus.com [86.191.18.76]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v6L0EG9M073391 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 01:14:16 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Subject: Re: Stop ZFS/opensolaris from autoloading? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Frank Leonhardt Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 01:14:16 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 00:14:19 -0000 On 19/07/2017 03:31, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: > On Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Frank Leonhardt wrote: > >> On 01/05/2017 00:17, Dan Mahoney wrote: >> Short of renaming the modules (which breaks upgrades and is >> unpredictable) is there any easy way to stop a system from >> auto-loading the ZFS >> modules? >> >> We've got some memory-constrained systems and the concept of >> "modules that load themselves" somewhat bugs me. >> >> I'd rather "zpool status" (which is often called by things like >> Facter) simply return an error than load a kernel module that will >> never be >> used. >> >> >> I've not had that problem myself, but my inclination would be to make >> sure it's not loaded or compiled in the kernel (obvious) and then simply >> rename/replace all the zxxxx executables with scripts that do what I >> want. Less intrusive fiddling that way. > > That also breaks freebsd-update. You're on to something, however. I > wonder if chmod'ing the appropriate files 000 will stop it, or > chmod'ing the kernel module 000. There are stronger ways of making files immutable but I don't think it's the way. Just run a script after the update: echo exit 1 >/sbin/zfs echo exit 1 >/sbin/zpool ... chmod a+x /sbin/z* You could even put it in rc.local and have it re-patched every time you boot. I do something similar for modifications; it helps to keep a record of everything that's changed in a system in one place for all sorts of reasons. For example, I put a wrapper around "shutdown" on remote servers so I don't accidentally "shutdown -p now" anything in a data centre. thinking I'm turning off my local box. Regards, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 21 09:08:49 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106EED9DC5A for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 09:08:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8540A69110 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 09:08:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from ox-dell39.ox.adestra.com (unknown [85.199.232.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45ECF8868 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 09:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/45ECF8868; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: UEFI and FreeBSD-11 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <971f810719a155f3963f2ff37c3488d3.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 10:08:29 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <971f810719a155f3963f2ff37c3488d3.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="waC5ge9KM7huE6xMHXxT8pobNM8lvrj65" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 09:08:49 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --waC5ge9KM7huE6xMHXxT8pobNM8lvrj65 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMDsbWbbVSnsw81lRIRNhJaXJnG2EfMUG"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: UEFI and FreeBSD-11 References: <971f810719a155f3963f2ff37c3488d3.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: <971f810719a155f3963f2ff37c3488d3.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> --IMDsbWbbVSnsw81lRIRNhJaXJnG2EfMUG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 07/21/17 01:02, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > My CentOS-6 based workstation is dying a slow death due to bit rot and > so I decided to swap out the existing disc drive for another. Given > that I had to reinstall anyway I decided that now was the time to try > out FreeBSD-11 as a desktop. >=20 > This Intel based system had UEFI enabled. Apparently this may have a > surprising, to me, effect on the video display used for the system > console in text mode. For whatever reason the boot process insists on > treating a 480x640 60Hz display as 800 x 480 at some other refresh > rate, probably 75Hz. This produces a difficult to read flickering > display and oddball presentation artifacts such as typing at a cursor > presented mid way from the top over existing text and displaying the > output at the bottom of the screen. >=20 > Is this a known phenomenon? Is there something that I am supposed to > do to get this to work properly or do I just disable UEFI? UEFI is meant to be supported, but I think it is fair to say that UEFI support in FreeBSD has not had anything like the exposure that UEFI has had on other systems, and that the FreeBSD UEFI support still has work to be done. If your system supports MBR instead, then switching to that will give you a much pleasanter experience. On the other hand, contributions to debugging UEFI support would be gratefully received. A quick google shows that this sort of problem is fairly common for all sorts of different combinations of hardware, BIOS and OS. For instance: https://superuser.com/questions/1209012/uefi-and-therefore-linux-console= -isnt-displayed-at-native-resolution If you're still having trouble, then I suggest asking on freebsd-hackers@ as that's more likely to get you in touch with the people that are developing UEFI support. 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Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 16:12:19 -0000 On Thu, July 20, 2017 20:02, James B. Byrne wrote: > My CentOS-6 based workstation is dying a slow death due to bit rot and > so I decided to swap out the existing disc drive for another. Given > that I had to reinstall anyway I decided that now was the time to try > out FreeBSD-11 as a desktop. > > This Intel based system had UEFI enabled. Apparently this may have a > surprising, to me, effect on the video display used for the system > console in text mode. For whatever reason the boot process insists on > treating a 480x640 60Hz display as 800 x 480 at some other refresh > rate, probably 75Hz. This produces a difficult to read flickering > display and oddball presentation artifacts such as typing at a cursor > presented mid way from the top over existing text and displaying the > output at the bottom of the screen. > > Is this a known phenomenon? Is there something that I am supposed to > do to get this to work properly or do I just disable UEFI? > > This problem was fixed by updating the BIOS firmware on the host. I have since successfully installed the mate desktop, upon which I am composing this message. I have a small remaining difficulty respecting the display. I am using a HDMI interface with an ASUS VP239 1920x1080 monitor. However, FreeBSD / Mate does not recognise this monitor nor can I discover how to manually set the resolution from inside mate. System > Preferences > Hardware > Displays Shows: Monitor Unknown, Resolution 1280 x 1024 (which is the maximum value in the scroll bar), Refresh rate 0 (and cannot be altered), Rotation Normal. Detect monitors has no apparent effect. What is the procedure to update FreeBSD to handle the monitor that I have? Thanks -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 21 16:47:28 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72089DABECA for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 16:47:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42C3D760DF for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 16:47:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1D7621BF for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 12:47:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XNUNAemi45LH for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 12:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8F54C62107 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 12:47:24 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=harte-lyne.ca; s=dkim_hll; t=1500655645; bh=AwJRZ/C1pkk41KOjN2N5Vu4Hwln9BfPvoQY76p57Dpc=; h=In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To:Reply-To; b=tCV1iHDiuFkYMPcRaDtQRxBkSn1WjJXC6OdJc1m7rpawQhOZ5DvN++/tTYwVw3gk6 uzhaiINe46dMXw16En1obPeGDFx5klr3bolsvBvTr7A5mvqVig838+MrXjfd1XkUn+ s9wUHc33iyjQd30Fudz8Yk1jXqNtAbRuJ1aj13FlFHJDWJo/BInulDxUU5G34qE3AX vXxLerwiJikHSfnm9dS9pRkijPwM4HNfuos3gayKzEVb2hgYGukAVyvkax6E/XzuF9 m2Urs+89cpLMnI+ZET4+RRgwsVqj56dKPayPTr8uScg96XSHENPA9zMVZJ2iwjg8O0 ATMKlAWMytwaw== Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 12:47:25 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <971f810719a155f3963f2ff37c3488d3.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 12:47:25 -0400 Subject: [SOLVED] Re: UEFI and FreeBSD-11 From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 16:47:28 -0000 On Fri, July 21, 2017 12:12, James B. Byrne wrote: > > I am using a HDMI interface with an ASUS VP239 1920x1080 monitor. > However, FreeBSD / Mate does not recognise this monitor nor can I > discover how to manually set the resolution from inside mate. > > System > Preferences > Hardware > Displays > > Shows: Monitor Unknown, Resolution 1280 x 1024 (which is the maximum > value in the scroll bar), Refresh rate 0 (and cannot be altered), > Rotation Normal. Detect monitors has no apparent effect. > > What is the procedure to update FreeBSD to handle the monitor that I > have? > > Thanks This helps: pkg install xf86-video-intel Sigh. . . -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 21 17:06:10 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB17DAC443 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 17:06:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from holin@iki.fi) Received: from vs20.mail.saunalahti.fi (vs20.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.117.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "vs20.mail.saunalahti.fi", Issuer "vs20.mail.saunalahti.fi" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0130676981 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 17:06:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from holin@iki.fi) Received: from vs20.mail.saunalahti.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vs20.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id D52FF2007B for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 20:06:00 +0300 (EEST) Received: from gw01.mail.saunalahti.fi (gw01.mail.saunalahti.fi [195.197.172.115]) by vs20.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8EE20095 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 20:06:00 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [10.0.0.7] (62-78-248-13.bb.dnainternet.fi [62.78.248.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gw01.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BF43D40588 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 20:05:59 +0300 (EEST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Heikki Lindholm Subject: kerberized nfs Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 20:06:03 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 17:06:10 -0000 Hello list, I'm trying to mount a kerberized NFSv4 share on FreeBSD 11. It's an experimental setup without DNS; only /etc/hosts based lookup. I can't even get kinit to work and, expectedly, mounting also fails. The problem is that kinit stubbornly tries to get the kerberos kdc records from DNS, although the server's ip is specified in /etc/hosts and it's in krb5.conf and additionally krb5.conf is set to not do any DNS lookups. So, I installed MIT kerberos and that version of kinit works fine, but the problem then is, how to make mount use the MIT version? Regards, Heikki Lindholm From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 21 17:38:32 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E8ADACFF5 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 17:38:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tetrosalame@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr0-x22f.google.com (mail-wr0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B43237CC9D for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 17:38:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tetrosalame@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id k71so31529834wrc.2 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 10:38:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=fbt6J+gdsGUvYbPj6QmXIIPZjUjbtr8qvL0upOJCtUQ=; b=tVvLnj18/HloJXexsuOfDiPiO7slYeorPAlF/C9u2Y1VqhWuDoBZqR4Ivoy5t1dK7L lk9vlfRKk8HSncDYLV1g0VgkqYcxlzWVUE3jA+QU4X4GgPbgdZjncxMvDXiwxXosgv1m 9qNlY+aulJSeOxctEjawflUttsh/4rhIs9MuHi2jHb1NYWvSrc+neT41y3C6uTsOnYRm ZUQl5BuN4Hspq3FytRipro7DtCKmGHz2XqyrUfZbjefVw7anmPdSHVdyCF9DQBAvjWPn 5XRrvV6bH2x29oUHIkLYvBEJoAU1AXfJIPPHa1WRlKr+5wjraYvWt/BIuU4RCQZ6djwg dcng== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=fbt6J+gdsGUvYbPj6QmXIIPZjUjbtr8qvL0upOJCtUQ=; b=GW5T/ZuIha8YXS+7qdrOjcWkHWn5VOXMaU3opUExqIZoWihfcRT7cvlGOKwQDAcKfZ NkZ1hV2KBOGXWi9XfL88NkmAJ20TgCZEyJ/HJc8+dKa0yebQrLNIcvvo1odnuautTg3y OjMZDTVZauJO4IeCCC5fXIzkx5/ZcMi+QnN8Hgtgcy4tr9P22oM92dvPVjJMVky4lVje OJ7hC53son4K08ETOYpNVawGGGO5G/XkLEbEWEk8rLEUHtYMsJoCJ6Oc9cQpJN0WJ6DB I6yf/zkssqjG+vDuSjrB1iJKHWGG4sellWdcQyms8HMWM8fArnOBMPHmg22cTPnpu6tT WOfA== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw112y/aiUuxAbZZLwtyMGGNTX2BrUvLJ1uQQDvgvKxm+Qc0awQoQz 9/dhfsXz4OnZfQjS X-Received: by 10.223.160.111 with SMTP id l44mr11439657wrl.31.1500658710092; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 10:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avalon.thwn (host222-181-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it. [87.8.181.222]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e1sm7159654wrc.91.2017.07.21.10.38.28 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 21 Jul 2017 10:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avalon.thwn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by avalon.thwn (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 95253e21; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 19:38:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 19:38:25 +0200 From: fml To: Roger Pate Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Can I use FreeBSD as a desktop system? Message-ID: <20170721173825.GA1899@avalon.thwn> References: <20170719151943.GA1859@avalon.thwn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 17:38:32 -0000 On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 11:38:38PM -0400, Roger Pate wrote: > On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 11:19 AM, fml wrote: > > - backups (the usual suspects; since I need encrypted off-site backups > > I'm investigating Tarsnap, avaiable as package); > > Tarsnap works great on FreeBSD. I have this script in my crontab: > [...] > Where tarsnap-backup and tarsnap-prune-old are from my repo > https://bitbucket.org/rdpate/one-off/src/360557bf714ec5b3b0f6a06f085fb8037b333a13 Thank you, I will look into it. f. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 21 20:25:30 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA47EDB0487 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 20:25:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay13.qsc.de (mailrelay13.qsc.de [212.99.187.253]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D7DF8215D for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 20:25:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay13.qsc.de; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 22:24:38 +0200 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-105-193.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.105.193]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA8FB3C77D; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 22:24:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v6LKOahe002685; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 22:24:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 22:24:36 +0200 From: Polytropon To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [SOLVED] Re: UEFI and FreeBSD-11 Message-Id: <20170721222436.8fe06e03.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <971f810719a155f3963f2ff37c3488d3.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay13.qsc.de with 383156835F7 X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.1436 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 20:25:30 -0000 On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 12:47:25 -0400, James B. Byrne wrote: > > On Fri, July 21, 2017 12:12, James B. Byrne wrote: > > > > > I am using a HDMI interface with an ASUS VP239 1920x1080 monitor. > > However, FreeBSD / Mate does not recognise this monitor nor can I > > discover how to manually set the resolution from inside mate. > > > > System > Preferences > Hardware > Displays > > > > Shows: Monitor Unknown, Resolution 1280 x 1024 (which is the maximum > > value in the scroll bar), Refresh rate 0 (and cannot be altered), > > Rotation Normal. Detect monitors has no apparent effect. > > > > What is the procedure to update FreeBSD to handle the monitor that I > > have? > > > > Thanks > > > This helps: > > pkg install xf86-video-intel Just a short addition: For monitor use inside X, you need the correct driver, usually xf86-video- or maybe nvidia-driver, depending on the actual graphics card / chip. This is something FreeBSD does _not_ control (with OS tools). Having the correct driver in place might even enable you further options and diagnostics within desktop environments. A convenient way to play with screen sizes is to install and use xrandr; see "man xrandr" for details, especially the --size parameter. It can often "overrule" settings of the desktop environment if it doesn't do its "auto-detection magic" properly. And it works with every DE and WM. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 22 00:59:07 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4407C78026 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 00:59:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com", Issuer "dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8093A64000 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 00:59:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from [74.134.208.22] ([74.134.208.22:61256] helo=localhost) by dnvrco-omsmta02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTP id 18/A0-25924-453A2795; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 00:59:00 +0000 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 00:58:58 +0000 Message-ID: <18.A0.25924.453A2795@dnvrco-omsmta02> From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portsnap References: <596F7874.1030102@gmail.com> X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.64.7:25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 00:59:07 -0000 from Friedrich Locke: > How to specify to portsnap the version of ports i want. > Currently, i believe, i am using ports -current. I want to use the stable version. > Thanks. I don't think you can. Try "man portsnap": does not work on my system because I built without portsnap or svnlite, figuring to use the real subversion instead, from NetBSD if not from FreeBSD. But you could build devel/subversion from the current ports tree and then checkout the desired ports tree branch. I use only the current ports tree, and in NetBSD, the current (as opposed to quarterly) pkgsrc. I figure if something doesn't work quite right and I want the next version, I don't want to have to wait for the next quarter-year. 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Thread-Topic: Why does loading radeonkms via /boot/loader.conf fail ? 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Message-ID: <5fd8cf4e-7b25-6605-d754-d4274fbdcbf0@bananmonarki.se> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 07:07:12 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 05:30:06 -0000 Hello list! FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p11 #0 Sometimes I get this error when running pycam and the preview window is all messed up: radeon: The kernel rejected CS, see dmesg for more information. dmesg: error: [drm:pid4089:radeon_cs_parser_relocs] *ERROR* gem object lookup failed 0x4 error: [drm:pid4089:radeon_cs_ioctl] *ERROR* Failed to parse relocation -2! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 22 08:53:26 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697BBCFF88D for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 08:53:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt.xtaz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x244.google.com (mail-wm0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE738720A9 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 08:53:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt.xtaz@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x244.google.com with SMTP id 65so9288463wmf.0 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 01:53:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=A/u325i6QObboH8G+7alThXpOwim7SIngYYDAO0W3dg=; b=rEBS/27hu76Jb8DGWrm7c8og9vUefpTeiN/86adUpZcSANZDPhFUyp5SntqPfpM5nL AqxerPC1CalqptKllaOSK2rgII11J+EwSDWbZ438bNqTSO66hw7v1r+l+lOS158KCned hPGWdQ0bdL78vl5TTQft0iWREND3Z6SedYQrd83lPMtnKmgtQEfk4hfDZLdiAngk58LP ebudbwsvd1MjGMWpceYgfDJeSfHW1r5vL5ymCbmEAnKGwZ/+LbaJYkHfNtHDHXf4iBGA PcOO1tCYTXBB7aQ19rsZVNrE7gj85YySg0TNiv+ouyI+0iLRuG/yDNZCbutl+i1WwJRx ZRPQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=A/u325i6QObboH8G+7alThXpOwim7SIngYYDAO0W3dg=; b=s85TfcIUFFeI7nItg42yC9bnHp/fiNzbeSPQxvBWNyMSsWOQQCSjQX2NJl5nf/yp6S kSsdamwBmTdxcQ7hTj0IDRsGbxDmAbmKIV7h+Mw3cS4oq98dYrn93UJYo+kV9DaiGVlB rEvuNptKHGsdNjQcJDxPDYm1TKkIyZwdK5FdsC2R08wnC1Dpvjukup6rpesfupcC1Fkt uqb3zDeG7YsM048mq3okKkKzMdRxfNEM67wKVC6Yj2YeIc51iyqL1LCr8pVD26TYvuM+ BIG+dxhlsvNHJs4qBL+ZMXN1c6QHoMSu5utdqUJbn5hekjqrKhqlRZlj3DBvkD71OZ+w MOKg== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw112W6ocMYnMx57iJqHq+67vYUuNaeJ500mJxs9xhfVBAZS9enjzg 2dBA3eFDgu5hGA== X-Received: by 10.28.226.137 with SMTP id z131mr1044453wmg.151.1500713604401; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 01:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmail.com (tao.xtaz.uk. [2001:8b0:fe33::10]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 34sm8416518wrt.36.2017.07.22.01.53.23 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sat, 22 Jul 2017 01:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 09:53:22 +0100 From: Matt Smith To: Manish Jain Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Why does loading radeonkms via /boot/loader.conf fail ? Message-ID: <20170722085322.GA55111@gmail.com> Mail-Followup-To: Matt Smith , Manish Jain , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.3 (2017-05-23) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 08:53:26 -0000 On Jul 22 03:35, Manish Jain wrote: > >Hi, > >On FreeBSD 10.3 amd64 with a Radeon R5 230 card, I am trying to figure >out why does the boot process fail early on, halting in the attempt to >load radeonkms by setting this in /boot/loader.conf : > >radeon_load="YES" >radeonkms_load="YES" > >If I do that, the radeon kld does get loaded, but radeonkms does not get >loaded, halting the boot with a message that the GPU firmware >(radeonkmsfw_CAICOS_pfp in particular) could not be loaded. The system >hangs, and has to be cold-booted. > >The only way I could boot the system was by escaping to the loader >prompt and issuing "disable-module radeonkms". > >I have a nice hack that solves the problem of auto-loading radeon* >kld's. Load them via /etc/rc.local : > >kldload radeon >kldload radeonkms > >The above succeeds very sweetly, but for kicks I need to know why the >regular method fails, hanging the system dead. > >Thanks for any reply. >Manish Jain I thought that the new recommended way of loading modules is now to use /etc/rc.conf like this rather than using loader.conf. kld_list="radeon radeonkms" This is how I've been loading my modules since I read about it on one of the forum or mailing lists. Might be worth giving that a go? -- Matt From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 22 09:23:09 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA71D3D633 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 09:23:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x230.google.com (mail-wm0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 271B073124 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 09:23:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x230.google.com with SMTP id v139so2210808wmv.0 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 02:23:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=1MHSVIUYK2/gkxausEm+Kum9xG5Rlq3I0WD62F5LgJI=; b=UZMGWSkgZ1QMzickUdKTq70Hu5bGeop3qnxkw0/IQzBpN4eI0rdJKP6jCorRuum2FG HBc2wFPHkvL4IolQuLy3hxyZueufRmOMr+lEm7PLlq5WO1W505iABoDkmYS2Lnk2CK37 F6/fBV57oJBUl+4NKR+qZUfQuBqN9EQAyhd2Pi73+ZfBNmir6YAb/X5AW/izxxWyYFwx tMom1mKGU5/sSIMOWXN77LHWGMl+swBzsKXPeI/p6rTeQuiPzRUFIYsrpk+qW2cl5wFg RxYs6sYNPy0svGD8tz8acemnHDF4iBccSMcWTCgNwarqYvCvnc8//EpTITs/1Y44ov1w zegg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=1MHSVIUYK2/gkxausEm+Kum9xG5Rlq3I0WD62F5LgJI=; b=GAQpOp9zMtlm6fEMt+G3PdjBl+saeznAyXh8ngm7nJEAGbYsO1g7sYumgaZlOWOVg+ kPPhz9RHFiF8Yw7P8ZExrD/Pfkl42RGJ1gYVVACfEErYthp0Z9fB4V8kfq6L2K07EJQW Cve+AF/zGbasxFmnrUXcOOSXuTUjDsA9icl/NcHpvO0IGDzk8Z6tWJe6uUD9g6tDOTth JmKfkTc027wxVi8TjyUbN0isTjiNjeTSCjum/jEzpTZ3+98rlbNrAbLUvMqVYuMtIGwO 25QF65N4vlVUFqgiYoA9VS+/uCtH64vAAWJ0vhq6b3ADHKkoKO7DmNq6GyIREgXog9yj V94Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw110ty9Yi2O1HQjmyhe94prVZIPPW4SAWlIvYZT+IIBzjcTCP4XZo APwFRcgysOD4So/y7+2F/+LNZVQvDTYrj+w= X-Received: by 10.80.168.34 with SMTP id j31mr188521edc.87.1500715387568; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 02:23:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.171.196 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 02:23:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Woods Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 17:23:07 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: PAM conditional authentication (advanced control syntax) To: =?UTF-8?Q?Dag=2DErling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 09:23:09 -0000 Hi des, First of all, thank you for creating and maintaining OpenPAM! I have been digging into PAM and kerberos over the last few days, and have realised I want to have a different control flow krb5 authentication fails due to an inability to contact the KDC (e.g. network or KDC outage), or if it fails due to the KDC positively confirming the username/password combination is incorrect/invalid. In Linux PAM this is possible using the advanced control syntax, however this doesn't appear to exist in OpenPAM. Is there any plans to implement it, or something similar? The rest of this email is only to provide context of why I want this functionality. The ideal PAM flow in my example use case (using a new local cache PAM module such as https://github.com/google/libpam-policycache): 1. Try kerberos authentication. - If krb5 fails with incorrect username/password, then break the chain and return a failure. - If krb5 fails with KDC unreachable, then skip the next 1 module in the chain (jump to using the cache) with the result a failure unless a later module succeeds. - If krb5 succeeds, then keep going in the chain with the result a success unless a later module fails 2. Update the local cache with the username/password successfully used in step 1, and then break the chain returning success. 3. Try authentication against the local cache, and pass or fail based on the result (ending the chain). With Linux's advanced control syntax, I believe this would look something like the following: auth [service_err=1 success=ok new_authtok_reqd=ok default=die] pam_krb5.so try_first_pass auth [default=done] pam_policycache.so action=update use_first_pass auth [success=ok new_authtok_reqd=ok default=bad] pam_policycache.so action=check use_first_pass Thanks in advance, Ben -- From: Benjamin Woods woodsb02@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 22 09:43:20 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC89D3DBED for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 09:43:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F90E739E7 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 09:43:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D9D20888 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 05:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 22 Jul 2017 05:43:13 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zyxst.net; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:message-id :mime-version:subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=1DGqze7mudo0GgBSy9fhgHIHdmi1lDSor5xgThiVp 9Y=; b=oe68fLNZ5qVmJhYNQ9wt1n823/PE/MqMDCujbD+Xj1WxZY8wY/cV5tcDM 3slljheXwK0MzEnI/uwBt9IJamMGhVcQsRYWzJ+H1z9bg7qRzSZiupt7e2M5r5nw 2KKcfWEJIdbhtT4LdNKEFctTUuXwplizUI8/N8XubZLmZHBUtB7+jCmQNOs6y8yx q3cSwGvEFrH39TE3ziUW18+H/pnHtTVopUi3LnFfzg8g4A7JhPgYTSOYsbI84XT0 JLdNFbFDcxyKpAuPjjXot0LBj493HK71LMeur9buyz+1dZJTDpyp6WSWI3gQmQfv 9NGbg66aNeU2JXJ3ElJcxDhFAbbSg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=1DGqze7mudo0GgBSy9 fhgHIHdmi1lDSor5xgThiVp9Y=; b=KsvzTQetWyM9ThemVl1/EYOf5CHlTwtVow DZCLpNsFfAJZ2iJ76dTJeVSzH9RVcDWJkMgBKc+HI5zj9EMZgNQZ/bV8Fucnm82W cnneZugfOsMNI1FcNuorSqvclYpUggBS0S26MzN9NVu1q0WBYzm0xvAEKKikVPS6 3iHuf3A/uAYc+o4S40a58YpR81s3cZX+84GAsXd8n//UnAF7po8RnzIOCPkhrd0x qoMvkBB1W2c9nqjgdzQWVrapHvbSVLIfAt4fvgaBXg98FurSDR2o5TaKgCHzgI26 CBr8mBtcFsL95KqTQnokTRxtv9eucLFFs6oG+ZQgwnNnjQQyiw1Q== X-ME-Sender: X-Sasl-enc: vUF8PbmMH8y+jLDp7vnAdzNiS8aZqP8XO4l/R9JUeOoG 1500716593 Received: from pumpkin.growveg.org (pumpkin.growveg.org [82.70.91.101]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5CB4624288 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 05:43:13 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: tech-lists Subject: how to measure what is consuming swap space Message-ID: <5a1313d2-007c-9947-b842-f4c825a8c628@zyxst.net> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 10:43:12 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 09:43:20 -0000 Hello list, What's the best command to see what processes are consuming swap space? thanks -- J. 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To: Matthew Seaman Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 15:35:53 -0000 On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 3:03 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 30/06/2017 18:17, Alejandro Imass wrote: >> Any idea what went wrong? I have upgraded FBSD since 6.x and never had >> it go so badly !! > > Not really. Clearly something went wrong with the process for executing > a binary, but quite what I couldn't say. The whole way an executable is > run hasn't changed significantly since the switch between a.out and elf > around 3.0-RELEASE, so it's not as if you've some half-implemented > change screwing things up. > > One of the problems with freebsd-update(8) is dealing with when things > go wrong. Thankfully this is a pretty rare occurrence, but even > something as trivial as running out of space in a partition in the > middle of an upgrade can leave you with an incomplete upgrade, and no > reasonable way of fixing it. > The data was intact and I have everything in Jails so it was easy to recover w/o a full restore from backup. I saved the original disk and took the opportunity upgrade the hard drives and a fresh install, so I just pulled the data from the old drive. I wonder if for some reason the upgrade process tried to install a 32 bit system over a 64 bit one, or something along those lines. I still have the old drive intact in case someone would like to explore this further and try to figure out what really happened and avoid for it to happen to someone else. 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