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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reading up on "poudriere", it appears that I have to feed it a list of port= s=20 that need to be updated. Unlike "synth" which can figure that out by itself= ,=20 it does seem counterproductive. My question, now that "portmaster" is apparently dead in the water, what is= =20 the easiest way to construct a list of ports that need updating in the:=20 "port-category/port-name" format? --=20 Carmel --=-=pkJKqQA+IOD9vn=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEh3rFs7ZCOM581rwKjsagALPkYOsFAlokKNAACgkQjsagALPk YOsREwf8CxkCB4QFAwkfnLfsryHDJN1KIx7kxE7W+fLts9e/k3e8Bb0MmNO1c7VW O5x00JOkkv4aHgSfFwRuzQcV7NXxzwjqXwj/j3LHrXbAT++Ynes9po8Aaf8G2f3M i3SW28bwPS46devpg3oSSOD9LCYXnscfWjFa6xWeP4qH7cFOWWMvSot8nadgXDUc eXEPF7nzEEiXEx+9k6OweaDE1k4r+dr03EoesGyaXSitryi8BOJRu1SMhUw/yt7q ch759jz9BJuX6/SSLYJUyfzJBISHgSyv/xBwhVvIcxKcdQCkvFRs9oAGiVIzZQ1E gdZRROE0p3dW8Q4sxZHl9Hrb2epE7A== =7EW+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=pkJKqQA+IOD9vn=-=-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 3 16:50:44 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29FBDFFE23 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 16:50:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gary@hayers.org) Received: from mailout.easydns.com (mailout.easydns.com [64.68.203.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 942D17E274 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 16:50:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gary@hayers.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F4FE8DF1; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 16:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout.easydns.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (emo11-pco.easydns.vpn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GohFBhACoD3D; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 16:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.hayers.org (cpc115706-tilb12-2-0-cust98.20-1.cable.virginm.net [82.14.148.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 88987E8DDC; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 16:44:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.hayers.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5317215902; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 16:44:28 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hayers.org; s=hayers; t=1512319468; bh=QCtN5+MwPscPsJmZ+5dlu91aPICNpQQbe+xTxf07hYE=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=JOKuuDYmVqKfLmzypWsyi6nnP3s5lzc51opq0/59yVKEggfrww9IuakMnEnVgBLkI hf7hYMJzk9NgoWxPGIYaQE7R1/YjVpujWZmzmj+dlRS9U8Y/8vVzyvxixnd5CyOU4H dyrX0LtT0nRgXPxp7ntkRfO5mLbqkj2ljSkkWIPM= Received: from mx1.hayers.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.hayers.org [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08289-09; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 16:44:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (zeus.hayers.org [94.173.133.235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: gary@hayers.org) by mx1.hayers.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6E9CA158F6; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 16:44:25 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hayers.org; s=hayers; t=1512319465; bh=QCtN5+MwPscPsJmZ+5dlu91aPICNpQQbe+xTxf07hYE=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=Enkv8/xAm+Axh4HVpRHY8aAZ8D43uMRSxfwOAz986DF3AetsBVFWR+kxx3lzpGlyK vz9oiVAZZKedYXbPL3A6D60lYjzSXJ2gXzF03ItmAMitmPllI+rn73YdX9/MvI6hx0 G0AQwVjsf3UaY+n7+QlgdGYh3gxEVsowwAaWGq7A= Subject: Re: Create list of ports to update To: Carmel NY , FreeBSD References: From: "Gary J. Hayers" Message-ID: <8d5d17b8-a206-810a-b92e-a29d053dd8e3@hayers.org> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 16:44:25 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV-SpamAssassin (Unix/FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 16:50:44 -0000 pkg query '%o' > ports.txt On 03/12/2017 16:40, Carmel NY wrote: > Reading up on "poudriere", it appears that I have to feed it a list of ports > that need to be updated. Unlike "synth" which can figure that out by itself, > it does seem counterproductive. > > My question, now that "portmaster" is apparently dead in the water, what is > the easiest way to construct a list of ports that need updating in the: > "port-category/port-name" format? > -- Regards, Gary J. 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sunday, December 3, 2017 11:44 AM, Gary J. Hayers stated: >=20 >=20 > On 03/12/2017 16:40, Carmel NY wrote: > > Reading up on "poudriere", it appears that I have to feed it a list of > > ports that need to be updated. Unlike "synth" which can figure that > > out by itself, it does seem counterproductive. > > > > My question, now that "portmaster" is apparently dead in the water, > > what is the easiest way to construct a list of ports that need updating= in > the: > > "port-category/port-name" format? > pkg query '%o' > ports.txt Doesn't that just list all of the installed ports, not just the ones that n= eed updating? --=20 Carmel --=-=QlHrVIONKaB2MX=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEh3rFs7ZCOM581rwKjsagALPkYOsFAlokLkQACgkQjsagALPk YOvOlggAoQTPykyP5iZWmv/n1jLchVUT0mqJjN8HGPtomVoWzv7q5R1hUdppHk1A kSnbRtWq53Uf8LaxXvbjYjKjeGzK44EwLUGcgQQmXJNS+dzvVczTI/B06HWZoSzM s46yBy1K1VdVfoFDpJeH4DQ6P2ZCWnrplxYMvVuUr8wV3f9OH+kfo7br/pBrDTff R5cNcr/uk/WNs4smUG71yuucCmuh60rAyOtF7ZB5VfAVyXnWUNiRZFWDf9lbN+kO flB1Tuz6Ve0BmdVQ3qlphrz6Wm9DjISPq7Wsnvl1eBDvk0WiN3AmmPRkGEVs3ltL y4ZDqRddLE8h1jHcSzC1AwG41ylkWw== =+oTt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=QlHrVIONKaB2MX=-=-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 3 17:11:55 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60DE7E56E2F for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:11:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gary@hayers.org) Received: from mailout.easydns.com (mailout.easydns.com [64.68.203.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FB977F2AB for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:11:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gary@hayers.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD01E8B11; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:11:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout.easydns.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (emo11-pco.easydns.vpn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E2Tg44x6KqMI; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:11:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.hayers.org (cpc115706-tilb12-2-0-cust98.20-1.cable.virginm.net [82.14.148.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 93004E8B04; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:11:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.hayers.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7588F15E7C; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:11:46 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hayers.org; s=hayers; t=1512321106; bh=NGiIb7FynEKrZ7ZGgWvEcLcVY+Qy6aP6Wd3oytXgRmU=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=b/tw9k3ketgtCBxyTQPvIrBtUCz73N6MT2bOuV9eIJMPpO9MwJOcnrI4WeOj/VAYJ vV5sNp21kw7LIDIdSY+h2bSsYiZKNzqhZ4YsEzNy1UlENCQwPjb96G7V8CqvqxTqut q8KAiINWiFtQHIJra6jJcXW0mzhrM7s4QYD3yeWs= Received: from mx1.hayers.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.hayers.org [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14776-08; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:11:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (zeus.hayers.org [94.173.133.235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: gary@hayers.org) by mx1.hayers.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 692A815E72; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:11:40 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hayers.org; s=hayers; t=1512321100; bh=NGiIb7FynEKrZ7ZGgWvEcLcVY+Qy6aP6Wd3oytXgRmU=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=PtMUS05UT96Wzk1Jj/bVzbvbmBEcPshahKURfwxZXPzJc7LNBp0qCAo83U5Eb8LPX +JEJYKjR0ZyFXp4rErhrLGmjxDTmpV7DnmJJHcxj5HsU6u0pxdBCzspTMeSe0+xeMX MhdeW6z9zIDkmtpg7vLywZKd/NTQckJJL9ploxoU= Subject: Re: Create list of ports to update To: FreeBSD , Carmel NY References: <8d5d17b8-a206-810a-b92e-a29d053dd8e3@hayers.org> From: "Gary J. Hayers" Message-ID: <584c71d9-c97c-eb4b-66a2-b89e5cbc4daf@hayers.org> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:11:40 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV-SpamAssassin (Unix/FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 17:11:55 -0000 On 03/12/2017 17:03, Carmel NY wrote: > On Sunday, December 3, 2017 11:44 AM, Gary J. Hayers stated: >> >> >> On 03/12/2017 16:40, Carmel NY wrote: >>> Reading up on "poudriere", it appears that I have to feed it a list of >>> ports that need to be updated. Unlike "synth" which can figure that >>> out by itself, it does seem counterproductive. >>> >>> My question, now that "portmaster" is apparently dead in the water, >>> what is the easiest way to construct a list of ports that need updating in >> the: >>> "port-category/port-name" format? > >> pkg query '%o' > ports.txt > > Doesn't that just list all of the installed ports, not just the ones that need updating? > It does, my apologies, I read the question wrong -- Regards, Gary J. 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sunday, December 3, 2017 12:12 PM, Gary J. Hayers stated: > On 03/12/2017 17:03, Carmel NY wrote: > > On Sunday, December 3, 2017 11:44 AM, Gary J. Hayers stated: > >> On 03/12/2017 16:40, Carmel NY wrote: > >>> Reading up on "poudriere", it appears that I have to feed it a list > >>> of ports that need to be updated. Unlike "synth" which can figure > >>> that out by itself, it does seem counterproductive. > >>> > >>> My question, now that "portmaster" is apparently dead in the water, > >>> what is the easiest way to construct a list of ports that need > >>> updating in > >> the: > >>> "port-category/port-name" format? > > > >> pkg query '%o' > ports.txt > > > > Doesn't that just list all of the installed ports, not just the ones th= at need > updating? > > >=20 > It does, my apologies, I read the question wrong Not a problem. It would seem to me that poudriere would provide some native method of resolving that question. Other port management utilities l= ike synth do it. --=20 Carmel --=-=KvTg7XlHw71fJF=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEh3rFs7ZCOM581rwKjsagALPkYOsFAlokNcgACgkQjsagALPk YOtBZggAsl5PFbWAZ9LpLOeKIyQMz8MYG+Jiki7nqKxtNsAftfo6VAJTc3oLk0Zt sh/SHJ78nogauORPL4ncZQNlkj3Xy5s5DbA5Z4C8NUoz+w4EV9o7RE/l8Ker1eVr uCxz4BF0LtL2NGoBvgywIlLSpEQ+JIsqrTxV5SWxUPGGIFSU4C6Ny4g52HeNnaoz ZjddtBj/ks8QBFzzupv4uFTa3UG6UlJ2RGBOxk2OAkmyWUjfyO46B47SM+JHQgLS pppowEnrxqx873b+OtWlhuRdIxd4dEet8M++w/BJUavbIQD9VKwa5xk+dDBJ8I7I XC36Ma6h2UJY3hp4UBPzNMLmfJ7cdA== =G6TX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=KvTg7XlHw71fJF=-=-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 3 17:58:54 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6039DE5D573 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:58:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from homiemail-a125.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 490F180F5A for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:58:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from homiemail-a125.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a125.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB5D60000E01; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 09:58:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=ozzmosis.com; h=date:from :to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type :in-reply-to; s=ozzmosis.com; bh=rFccTOvhZjTyR1PTgNHhu2um1eU=; b= F1Ipz+DRBqw/ut+GHeB03h5Y6F55bPYAsiXyKGRGM54G7Q+wSwErJMPQDNukp+ch oFMewyAL4ELZEqW9yZ+KqJWNzE8y5IoFO/sOmwTxkTxPcH8COBkLFcxFqBOvlqZk 1tE/xnvTqoCmU80F9GBuqdf158M5kCWJocnwx8ktMNc= Received: from blizzard.ozzmosis.com (210-84-29-66.dyn.iinet.net.au [210.84.29.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: relay@ozzmosis.com) by homiemail-a125.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D7D8A60000E00; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 09:58:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by blizzard.ozzmosis.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BC267778; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 04:58:43 +1100 (AEDT) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 04:58:43 +1100 From: andrew clarke To: FreeBSD Cc: Carmel NY Subject: Re: Create list of ports to update Message-ID: <20171203175843.hdzbvm7fiebo2dhc@ozzmosis.com> References: <8d5d17b8-a206-810a-b92e-a29d053dd8e3@hayers.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20171027 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 17:58:54 -0000 On Sun 2017-12-03 17:03:49 UTC+0000, Carmel NY (carmel_ny@outlook.com) wrote: > On Sunday, December 3, 2017 11:44 AM, Gary J. Hayers stated: > > > > > > On 03/12/2017 16:40, Carmel NY wrote: > > > Reading up on "poudriere", it appears that I have to feed it a list of > > > ports that need to be updated. Unlike "synth" which can figure that > > > out by itself, it does seem counterproductive. > > > > > > My question, now that "portmaster" is apparently dead in the water, > > > what is the easiest way to construct a list of ports that need updating in > > > the: "port-category/port-name" format? > > > pkg query '%o' > ports.txt > > Doesn't that just list all of the installed ports, not just the ones that need updating? pkg query %o > /tmp/pkglist.txt poudriere -v bulk -j 11amd64 -f /tmp/pkglist.txt This is what I use. Poudriere will only build ports from the list that need updating. This includes rebuilding ports that have had updated dependencies, (which iirc is a change from Portmaster's behaviour, though seemingly you can turn this off with 'poudriere bulk -S'). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 3 18:03:58 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D13E5D99C for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:03:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from homiemail-a125.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC78D15B5 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:03:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from homiemail-a125.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a125.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5385A60000E02; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 10:03:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=ozzmosis.com; h=date:from :to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type :in-reply-to; s=ozzmosis.com; bh=kY/4YJ+Qdh7xg+dDmGDCqhNPxY0=; b= EsG23HrtLelwTxHULNtbqsAGsNsaNFuhaThO0B2kJZWSGH74zn7KHBFHy9Nn/WNM 2kzcOYhotzKk5OdvqlNHr7fuMNHJeSz36UlVKOi5LTo1YqjyTTx1vIvFI0ZSad70 sfMg6aMKzXEZ1QZem07gqDxa9+smNvGpWX6CZ/yafjA= Received: from blizzard.ozzmosis.com (210-84-29-66.dyn.iinet.net.au [210.84.29.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: relay@ozzmosis.com) by homiemail-a125.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1518760000E01; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 10:03:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by blizzard.ozzmosis.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2F2E977C; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 05:03:54 +1100 (AEDT) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 05:03:54 +1100 From: andrew clarke To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Cc: Carmel NY Subject: Re: Create list of ports to update Message-ID: <20171203180354.t5i7m4bo5h7fry7m@ozzmosis.com> References: <8d5d17b8-a206-810a-b92e-a29d053dd8e3@hayers.org> <584c71d9-c97c-eb4b-66a2-b89e5cbc4daf@hayers.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20171027 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 18:03:58 -0000 On Sun 2017-12-03 17:35:15 UTC+0000, Carmel NY (carmel_ny@outlook.com) wrote: > It would seem to me that poudriere would provide some native method of > resolving that question. Other port management utilities like synth do it. The philosophy behind Poudriere is that it sandboxes everything within jails and so is not at all interested in what's installed on the jail host, so I can understand why that feature isn't built in. 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Bruno Grant From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 3 18:13:16 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95FDE5E076 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:13:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from homiemail-a125.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 920EC1BE8 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:13:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from homiemail-a125.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a125.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6678760000E01; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 10:13:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=ozzmosis.com; h=date:from :to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type :in-reply-to; s=ozzmosis.com; bh=KaumbM5rfaH3h7voggBz6Jbrazs=; b= 2VKD7D31XYdJOefF2wei1POfEThxz48FerpKIZtgsS9/EmIIgr24hyKM8jhl7L4R NWygnbPa+PZYOHMbgiVHvw4B7pphhXH1kjyqIHFfSYTTEvRpyYb/C+lOIjWauhqd vHy5To70VBVXK0ZZ5TspS6nihGYbdmV8GI/bkYOfwjo= Received: from blizzard.ozzmosis.com (210-84-29-66.dyn.iinet.net.au [210.84.29.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: relay@ozzmosis.com) by homiemail-a125.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1A89360000E00; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 10:13:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by blizzard.ozzmosis.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5B136784; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 05:13:12 +1100 (AEDT) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 05:13:12 +1100 From: andrew clarke To: FreeBSD , Carmel NY Subject: Re: Create list of ports to update Message-ID: <20171203181312.dpji6au2sv7t2zer@ozzmosis.com> References: <8d5d17b8-a206-810a-b92e-a29d053dd8e3@hayers.org> <20171203175843.hdzbvm7fiebo2dhc@ozzmosis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20171203175843.hdzbvm7fiebo2dhc@ozzmosis.com> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20171027 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 18:13:16 -0000 On Mon 2017-12-04 04:58:43 UTC+1100, andrew clarke (mail@ozzmosis.com) wrote: > > > > My question, now that "portmaster" is apparently dead in the water, > > > > what is the easiest way to construct a list of ports that need updating in > > > > the: "port-category/port-name" format? > > > > > pkg query '%o' > ports.txt > > > > Doesn't that just list all of the installed ports, not just the ones that need updating? > > pkg query %o > /tmp/pkglist.txt > poudriere -v bulk -j 11amd64 -f /tmp/pkglist.txt > > This is what I use. It would be nice if this worked: # pkg query %o | poudriere -v bulk -j 11amd64 -f - But - is not recognised as shorthand for stdin: # poudriere -v bulk -j 11amd64 -f - [00:00:00] Error: No such list of packages: /usr/home/ozzmosis/- /dev/stdin isn't accepted either: # poudriere -v bulk -j 11amd64 -f /dev/stdin [00:00:00] Error: No such list of packages: /dev/stdin Not a big deal, but something to know. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 3 19:30:46 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417B3E5FDDE for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 19:30:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ua0-x22b.google.com (mail-ua0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E62116391B for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 19:30:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ua0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id e10so11084468uah.10 for ; Sun, 03 Dec 2017 11:30:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=wieAR39D0ENE/2xZQvYjeK9l+wg0JMpXblmFNX0omL4=; b=bAGvMwke8UW+t078kQLRaWpw6yOoPUzocPC8QR4BdbrB15Lk3y9yUzz5HHrAwMkg7B rnYo/OOe6X5BOfENUUWndMgy5he7YylkNklzxhz0JdidUG5I0wyxMlwht52pinSQdknD akRej+L5daqhKKU+KUYtMNe3nmALO+Et6i8nUN84rGSRcnch3MgXdFYhi+xHegvLcUgd 2XKJio4vr+8bq4IDZEzM0R6O+la/+cQ1k/dCjfyG0kZRJpD6PZ2LcBMac9xCGJH0RNH2 Q1LUh+S4hX7XsYLJ9yhhH+oxwOFtbQTBk64tGNAPqdyDKNiGPaHvSBuDTmU/0d1Dip/v 0W/A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=wieAR39D0ENE/2xZQvYjeK9l+wg0JMpXblmFNX0omL4=; b=r+KgfFhisc5ie2Edp2OGitdPTsXf8uHJFDgFdXo4967YXI1j6JudH/YUtbdiCa3snA v1aB8hu68O0LOKfAO8AKcxw5yRqLRYurQBI4CKvHe3P8fZR8x2n0zICR7X0n3uEcAkOc gQW9NRRZxCnnSfwtpZHbvwEo2w0Oqp9LeO1rAlDfcw1eCD93Sd4Q3HREIkpkPIeb8H2C 7S/KQxbI6vhNkS0tiCvxPF1Zfqb4P2achczzqB/FiZL6UVopOngWE36f90YVaOhJnBna TjjRb+1AzztlHU6dBwuVQBvRqiqd3APxiY47D9O5JfzcCkPkZOjoOwGaA/vBEz/NG4fL N4jw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mI3352fZbwn2XGJt+eZxdqnbBKyqOhVyx9jsZF8uJNqBFjz0To5 jWiFHEmxstqKBM0S/iRJNY6QLGtJadPs66xwlx4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbcyZG4URDJK9/lYT2LLg2Nsovveuaf6zfCp7pyvsXpUeXjesWP6mxBg4safOeueSgYLSVORqzmzNBX8V3xHuM= X-Received: by 10.176.28.66 with SMTP id o2mr10548691uaj.89.1512329444835; Sun, 03 Dec 2017 11:30:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8d5d17b8-a206-810a-b92e-a29d053dd8e3@hayers.org> <584c71d9-c97c-eb4b-66a2-b89e5cbc4daf@hayers.org> <20171203180354.t5i7m4bo5h7fry7m@ozzmosis.com> In-Reply-To: <20171203180354.t5i7m4bo5h7fry7m@ozzmosis.com> From: Ben Woods Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 19:30:34 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Create list of ports to update To: andrew clarke Cc: Carmel NY , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 19:30:46 -0000 On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 7:04 am, andrew clarke wrote: > On Sun 2017-12-03 17:35:15 UTC+0000, Carmel NY (carmel_ny@outlook.com) > wrote: > > > It would seem to me that poudriere would provide some native method of > > resolving that question. Other port management utilities like synth do > it. > > The philosophy behind Poudriere is that it sandboxes everything within > jails > and so is not at all interested in what's installed on the jail host, so = I > can understand why that feature isn't built in. This is exactly on point. Poudriere is a package building system, and the packages may be used on this host, or as a repository for other hosts... so what is installed on the current host is irrelevant. That said, if you are only using one host, then the following will work great. pkg query %o > /usr/local/etc/poudriere-list poudriere -v bulk -j 11amd64 -f /usr/local/etc/poudriere-list Note that I don=E2=80=99t store it in /tmp/ as you will want to keep the fi= le around for next build. Each time you want a new package, add it to the file first, and rebuild. Note the first time poudriere will build all packages, regardless of whether they are up to date on the host already. In poudriere=E2=80=99s pac= kage repo, they don=E2=80=99t exist yet. The second time and after, poudriere wi= ll only build the ports which are out-dated or who=E2=80=99s dependencies were upda= ted. Regards, Ben --=20 -- From: Benjamin Woods woodsb02@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 3 20:09:29 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A8CE66407 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 20:09:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jpc@porterclark.com) Received: from mail.cluebytwelve.org (clueby12.org [198.211.114.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C279C64B7C for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 20:09:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jpc@porterclark.com) Received: from 24-183-226-240.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com (macporter [66.168.150.190]) by mail.cluebytwelve.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 89A6C20053 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 15:09:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by 24-183-226-240.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3F6D81752787E; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 14:09:26 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 14:09:26 -0600 From: "J. Porter Clark" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FLAVOR python and portmaster mess Message-ID: <20171203200925.ui7bpp5ve7y72j2e@MacPorter.local> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20171202213628.2wmwck7kjkwkstdc@MacPorter.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: http://www.angelfire.com/ego/porterclark/ User-Agent: NeoMutt/20171027 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 20:09:30 -0000 On Sat, Dec 02, 2017 at 06:44:08PM -0500, David Mehler wrote: > > I have no official fix from the dev. > > I did get a workaround for the issue, though I don't know if it will > hold through another update. What I did was removed > devel/py27-setuptools and then reinstalled the py-setuptools from the > port installation directory. This does work, at least for now. It might have been nice for the devs to put that into UPDATING. -- J. Porter Clark From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 3 21:38:21 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584B0E69069 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 21:38:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joh.hendriks@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr0-x22d.google.com (mail-wr0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF8146AB30 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 21:38:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joh.hendriks@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id q9so15215825wre.7 for ; Sun, 03 Dec 2017 13:38:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Zkta+dNfvBl3HVJZkx4uaDFW0Uujx1jGO/6AJKQMfz8=; b=Iulp7coQjqK0s/GnBu9gQdcZXibP69G1yEqw1RSI0LbQ4htpXSzwdxeloY1SG8NEu+ LN7B8R+U2n22eNAvleHjPKDK7DqRQslPHAjsql4Kfqj7p1ayk6lCXUVbgsidPCV/nUsb rvBfOVpayN+pIAYoQyfutQxptNAbGdyMn+7ScPGMrEzF3scvIvxGgz2SNhAHMZwYmB8o wcQzIWcY79qhYskOuEN4LEDPmT6uPAMLE89qqt/I08HnUSEr+QJOUPEfzhAw5wWJyD2W VxM8/Pu2xnKPIbLfF/2X4qP7nMa7ob58BfI2VCndTPq7OiTKERYe9yAOs1w1ptvhjYmM dGjA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=Zkta+dNfvBl3HVJZkx4uaDFW0Uujx1jGO/6AJKQMfz8=; b=J1BpLArICx0vF0VPm5xelnwiILwmCg3UqKW/Q4AAY40pPfmhhgFZd8KUuu/3ec5PFu Jaug4zzwXCXmBn1z4ARQ+EU13GEYa9PsOkGvIjQs2Q4hPna5DN1UEjIWEqWnuhpF61Zi ARLF6nd1z8AtuzX31vT0HwzuHr08rq7wUkMSSqHWyqVgZ2qgdVxgzJpDcFEWm49JbKnt LJNkVb4uP2Zijba5fGNfBrnQLcAFcOYiWTENd1iJJZj5LZsIv7otvD3eD/0/RSd/GmLK RjC3NyI6bi7HpfE+fAxCW/BYVAlH7qLGmHKN1S2r+WNqKZroGqNgRv025rnwWISJg33F R1+Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX4E7fQr+RIPVFLKu4ADnFKWRfCLg1lyQ22Kd3ZLd8Ncyn0vOkOB gBqF839CFeojPPZe7z6PQ9KfXcGs8df81kZ0cvY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZNDGswQ1NPe20kzHag20hYtMyn9nNaYOfw1oelkVmEwuUC/P68vEhH+ahjtow0PijSAfq/Aid67su5y2CPO6o= X-Received: by 10.223.139.8 with SMTP id n8mr11081132wra.225.1512337099075; Sun, 03 Dec 2017 13:38:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.46.138 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 13:38:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.28.46.138 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 13:38:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20171203200925.ui7bpp5ve7y72j2e@MacPorter.local> References: <20171202213628.2wmwck7kjkwkstdc@MacPorter.local> <20171203200925.ui7bpp5ve7y72j2e@MacPorter.local> From: Johan Hendriks Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 22:38:18 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FLAVOR python and portmaster mess To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 21:38:21 -0000 Synth 2.0 has landed in the ports tree with flavor support. One could give it a try. Op 3 dec. 2017 21:09 schreef "J. Porter Clark" : > On Sat, Dec 02, 2017 at 06:44:08PM -0500, David Mehler wrote: > > > > I have no official fix from the dev. > > > > I did get a workaround for the issue, though I don't know if it will > > hold through another update. What I did was removed > > devel/py27-setuptools and then reinstalled the py-setuptools from the > > port installation directory. > > This does work, at least for now. It might have been nice for > the devs to put that into UPDATING. > > -- > J. Porter Clark > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 4 00:39:30 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9245EE6E237 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 00:39:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jack@rosenth.al) Received: from po.640k.net (po.640k.net [50.116.4.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8516B70A3D for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 00:39:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jack@rosenth.al) Received: from rosenth.al (unknown [138.67.75.192]) by po.640k.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 70A195E7DA for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:30:40 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:30:39 -0700 From: Jack Rosenthal To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Implementing multi-layer keyboard in FreeBSD syscons, and control keys repeat rate Message-ID: <20171204003039.GA16209@rosenth.al> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH" Content-Disposition: inline X-PGP-Key: "http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x924EDC10B20E73F7" User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 00:39:30 -0000 --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Hackers, I'm trying to implement a multi-layer keyboard layout for the FreeBSD console (sort of like the Neo layout, there's more things that change the keys than just shift). If you're curious, the keyboard spec is here: https://github.com/jackrosenthal/threelayout Here's what I've got so far: https://github.com/jackrosenthal/threelayout/blob/master/freebsd/3l.kbd Essentially, from what I can tell, FreeBSD only supports Shift, Ctrl, and Alt (and combinations there of) for modifiers. So I've currently got symbols on the 'Alt' layer, cursor controls and numpad on 'Ctrl', and the real control keys on 'Ctrl+Shift'. Besides having to use 'Ctrl+Shift' to use the real control keys, the arrows etc. on the 'Ctrl' layer seem not to repeat when held down. So, a couple of questions: 1. Any hacks to get that key repeat working? Honestly the most inconvenient part... 2. Any way to make the Ctrl key send Ctrl+Shift? I was thinking that I could make a function key for that, but cannot find any way to do that from the manual (kbdcontrol). Thanks, Jack --=20 Jack Rosenthal A big ball of data and data systems that are stuck together with a hot gluegun and bound by duct tape and baling wire. -- Ginny Lee (describing the old identity managment system at Mines) --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEYa4zBojHi2FaOX2Hkk7cELIOc/cFAlokly4ACgkQkk7cELIO c/c+Dw/+PSgo5TzLW2Idnh97wP7NsWF9mufu+pGuhESEmo1k9czRtpZ+zAfoWa3P qamS6+l1b0okJCjkpbF8vXTUTArA8+XNhQB96yqEyI7z+7+mgPAuX5Crs9sdsBE4 GJXNdfqh7/CgsSkv9j+lizX6rAZ2qEOoNdmPCWQojnqsTl9AKL0BmiWh6K6szv4Y lkZSP7T0mSMD+AEd8w1T/A9NIyVeh0ElK/aMc3AxBmxGyTAhQYTixC1X3v8yc1MR tVKTQKspuweGuquiST47OFnfewoDO/m8V3m7e530mfHTaf6hZawXU18rfd4r3jPJ 1zCnRo21n54/IBUh1NBONofSivgrPuULWcgcATmDph4rIv/yxeiOH8fHYvdGE2sc p5NWnwBv5m4UxZAhRJUXFSjgkZn3wAuyjDBYRkb4acj82NqJcrJWsqNgJigJ9i4U OA80gfR3GwYnJAZ5wLnQjlbt6F9Pb+bpbpFtVDeU/9aQo62jE8P0huc2fUSrefpt 8ZLE3upEiUEX/KuTMrsq+kAkjqTv2JgXXpMpZUeD4wSlvNaHB/T2cJKgmRBMap27 QAmSQ0lq5dSiZDOrDUez23TR/qpGZSmqXTdmUkuo9Kpr0+tZGYwzvnMLMNBt4gdp gH2AzdcW4HtCmwzGRl70+U3QLi/QMFJLAIWSQvSBhd1+dHBuTJw= =9S5N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 4 01:22:08 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E06BE6FDBD for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 01:22:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from homiemail-a44.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 851367291C for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 01:22:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from homiemail-a44.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a44.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B8F6002913; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:22:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=ozzmosis.com; h=date:from :to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; s=ozzmosis.com; bh=84xbU 1dS7Z8b15p4uhAOnrbx5bk=; b=FPDCJiiyzn+ss54FjyzSTNYn2hzMLGRuS6hB2 axsyAa7rcdDt9YweMyk20Eg2xKrBIVjbkNRb7z2tw60eM+o//ErHFFvT36k+KG+c 7/QATmR0cS35MmqQrcom5ROUy59w5NXurjmSr7/rqzfi6DiBe2vFA+DNgBaG9Afw +bpEpg= Received: from blizzard.ozzmosis.com (124-168-218-14.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.168.218.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: relay@ozzmosis.com) by homiemail-a44.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4D8A9600290B; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:22:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by blizzard.ozzmosis.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A55A8798; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 12:22:03 +1100 (AEDT) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 12:22:03 +1100 From: andrew clarke To: Ben Woods Cc: Carmel NY , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Create list of ports to update Message-ID: <20171204012203.xc35yv7jy62mfssw@ozzmosis.com> References: <8d5d17b8-a206-810a-b92e-a29d053dd8e3@hayers.org> <584c71d9-c97c-eb4b-66a2-b89e5cbc4daf@hayers.org> <20171203180354.t5i7m4bo5h7fry7m@ozzmosis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20171027 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 01:22:08 -0000 On Sun 2017-12-03 19:30:34 UTC+0000, Ben Woods (woodsb02@gmail.com) wrote= : > That said, if you are only using one host, then the following will work > great. > pkg query %o > /usr/local/etc/poudriere-list > poudriere -v bulk -j 11amd64 -f /usr/local/etc/poudriere-list >=20 > Note that I don=E2=80=99t store it in /tmp/ as you will want to keep th= e file > around for next build. Each time you want a new package, add it to the = file > first, and rebuild. Fair enough. :) When I want a new package I run "poudriere bulk" manually, eg. poudriere -v bulk -j 11amd64 editors/joe pkg update pkg install joe > Note the first time poudriere will build all packages, regardless of > whether they are up to date on the host already. In poudriere=E2=80=99s= package > repo, they don=E2=80=99t exist yet. The second time and after, poudrier= e will only > build the ports which are out-dated or who=E2=80=99s dependencies were = updated. Indeed. It works well. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 4 09:01:32 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B069DF4EBA for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 09:01:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no", Issuer "Fagskolen i Gj??vik" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F6FE7E586 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 09:01:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id vB491KUq079882 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:01:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id vB491Kv4079879 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:01:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:01:20 +0100 (CET) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Create list of ports to update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (BSF 202 2017-01-01) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mail.fig.ol.no X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 09:01:32 -0000 On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 16:40-0000, Carmel NY wrote: > what is the easiest way to construct a list of ports that need > updating in the: "port-category/port-name" format? How about this? make -C /usr/ports fetchindex pkg version -oIL= | awk '{print $1}' | poudriere ... The hosts only needs a skeletal ports tree as opposed to poudriere. -- Trond. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 4 09:39:12 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4E1DF5BDD for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 09:39:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remy@luckyhands.nl) Received: from upuaut.luckyhands.nl (upuaut.luckyhands.nl [37.97.167.254]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 750E47FAE4 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 09:39:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remy@luckyhands.nl) Received: from 168.15.37.130.tun.labs.vu.nl (168.15.37.130.tun.labs.vu.nl [130.37.15.168]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by upuaut.luckyhands.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9511511F986 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:32:04 +0100 (CET) From: Remy Zandwijk Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8D7789DF-05D8-4724-A81B-BC4A459B5A81"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.1 \(3445.4.7\)) Subject: tzsetup without menu? Message-Id: <776CD363-26A1-4628-B21E-2CA266609BAE@luckyhands.nl> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:32:03 +0100 To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.4.7) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 09:39:12 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_8D7789DF-05D8-4724-A81B-BC4A459B5A81 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The tzsetup manual page on 11.1-RELEASE-p4 says: It is possible to short-circuit the menu system by specifying the location of a zoneinfo_file or the name of the zoneinfo_name on the command line; this is intended mainly for pre-configured installation scripts or people who know which zoneinfo they want to install. However, when I run the command like this, I still get the menu: tzsetup -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Amsterdam Am I doing it wrong or does the tzsetup command not act like documented? -Remy --Apple-Mail=_8D7789DF-05D8-4724-A81B-BC4A459B5A81 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIILHTCCBS8w ggQXoAMCAQICEA6f2Q9dZbsrO/dCqo4EytYwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQELBQAwgZcxCzAJBgNVBAYTAkdC MRswGQYDVQQIExJHcmVhdGVyIE1hbmNoZXN0ZXIxEDAOBgNVBAcTB1NhbGZvcmQxGjAYBgNVBAoT EUNPTU9ETyBDQSBMaW1pdGVkMT0wOwYDVQQDEzRDT01PRE8gUlNBIENsaWVudCBBdXRoZW50aWNh dGlvbiBhbmQgU2VjdXJlIEVtYWlsIENBMB4XDTE3MDcxMzAwMDAwMFoXDTE4MDcxMzIzNTk1OVow IzEhMB8GCSqGSIb3DQEJARYScmVteUBsdWNreWhhbmRzLm5sMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOC AQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAvbp7iZnTyqjEl+20AxgOYfW+M3Ry281v4iDWkVnhaEzWoIFpS+fDv/FWzxtv 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for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:09:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remy@luckyhands.nl) Received: from upuaut.luckyhands.nl (upuaut.luckyhands.nl [37.97.167.254]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3591165C for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:09:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remy@luckyhands.nl) Received: from 168.15.37.130.tun.labs.vu.nl (168.15.37.130.tun.labs.vu.nl [130.37.15.168]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by upuaut.luckyhands.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D427A12087A; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 11:09:12 +0100 (CET) From: Remy Zandwijk Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D10B2D4C-F885-4E33-97AE-82F1A78C92E8"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.1 \(3445.4.7\)) Subject: Re: tzsetup without menu? Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 11:09:12 +0100 References: <776CD363-26A1-4628-B21E-2CA266609BAE@luckyhands.nl> To: Michael Ross , FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.4.7) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 10:09:16 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_D10B2D4C-F885-4E33-97AE-82F1A78C92E8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> The tzsetup manual page on 11.1-RELEASE-p4 says: >> >> It is possible to short-circuit the menu system by specifying the >> location of a zoneinfo_file or the name of the zoneinfo_name on the >> command line; this is intended mainly for pre-configured installation >> scripts or people who know which zoneinfo they want to install. >> >> >> However, when I run the command like this, I still get the menu: >> >> tzsetup -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Amsterdam >> >> >> >> Am I doing it wrong or does the tzsetup command not act like documented? >> >> >> -Remy >> > > I think you could just copy the zonefile > > # md5 /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin /etc/localtime > MD5 (/usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin) = 4790e83465681cefbf852aed265354bf > MD5 (/etc/localtime) = 4790e83465681cefbf852aed265354bf > > > thus > > cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Amsterdam /etc/localtime > echo "Europe/Amsterdam" > /var/db/zoneinfo Thanks, that seems to work(around). 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References: <776CD363-26A1-4628-B21E-2CA266609BAE@luckyhands.nl> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 11:20:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Michael Ross" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/1.0 (Win32) X-Authenticated-Sender: gmx@ross.cx X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (ClamAV 0.99.2/24099/Mon Dec 4 10:09:08 2017) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 10:20:21 -0000 Am .12.2017, 11:09 Uhr, schrieb Remy Zandwijk : >>> The tzsetup manual page on 11.1-RELEASE-p4 says: >>> >>> It is possible to short-circuit the menu system by specifying the >>> location of a zoneinfo_file or the name of the zoneinfo_name on the >>> command line; this is intended mainly for pre-configured >>> installation >>> scripts or people who know which zoneinfo they want to install. >>> >>> >>> However, when I run the command like this, I still get the menu: >>> >>> tzsetup -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Amsterdam >>> >>> >>> >>> Am I doing it wrong or does the tzsetup command not act like >>> documented? >>> >>> >>> -Remy >>> >> >> I think you could just copy the zonefile >> >> # md5 /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin /etc/localtime >> MD5 (/usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin) = >> 4790e83465681cefbf852aed265354bf >> MD5 (/etc/localtime) = 4790e83465681cefbf852aed265354bf >> >> >> thus >> >> cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Amsterdam /etc/localtime >> echo "Europe/Amsterdam" > /var/db/zoneinfo > > Thanks, that seems to work(around). > > But still: either the documentation is wrong or the command has a bug. > > -Remy > Wait ... this wouldn't adjust the clock, and ignore UTC setting /etc/wall_cmos_clock better: echo "Europe/Amsterdam" > /var/db/zoneinfo touch /etc/wall_cmos_clock # if clock is set to local time tzsetup -r The documentation is not wrong. 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References: <776CD363-26A1-4628-B21E-2CA266609BAE@luckyhands.nl> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 11:01:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Michael Ross" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <776CD363-26A1-4628-B21E-2CA266609BAE@luckyhands.nl> User-Agent: Opera Mail/1.0 (Win32) X-Authenticated-Sender: gmx@ross.cx X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (ClamAV 0.99.2/24098/Mon Dec 4 02:09:42 2017) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 10:25:02 -0000 Am .12.2017, 10:32 Uhr, schrieb Remy Zandwijk : > The tzsetup manual page on 11.1-RELEASE-p4 says: > > It is possible to short-circuit the menu system by specifying the > location of a zoneinfo_file or the name of the zoneinfo_name on the > command line; this is intended mainly for pre-configured installation > scripts or people who know which zoneinfo they want to install. > > > However, when I run the command like this, I still get the menu: > > tzsetup -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Amsterdam > > > > Am I doing it wrong or does the tzsetup command not act like documented? > > > -Remy > I think you could just copy the zonefile # md5 /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin /etc/localtime MD5 (/usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin) = 4790e83465681cefbf852aed265354bf MD5 (/etc/localtime) = 4790e83465681cefbf852aed265354bf thus cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Amsterdam /etc/localtime echo "Europe/Amsterdam" > /var/db/zoneinfo From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 4 10:25:08 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F23CEDF721F for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:25:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remy@luckyhands.nl) Received: from upuaut.luckyhands.nl (upuaut.luckyhands.nl [37.97.167.254]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AFA61F93 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:25:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remy@luckyhands.nl) Received: from 168.15.37.130.tun.labs.vu.nl (168.15.37.130.tun.labs.vu.nl [130.37.15.168]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by upuaut.luckyhands.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7E90D1203E6; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 11:25:06 +0100 (CET) From: Remy Zandwijk Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F963592B-A799-4CE5-9891-F8AC9B210701"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.1 \(3445.4.7\)) Subject: Re: tzsetup without menu? Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 11:25:05 +0100 References: <776CD363-26A1-4628-B21E-2CA266609BAE@luckyhands.nl> To: Michael Ross , FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6E8876AE-B85F-4559-96BB-05B71286687F@luckyhands.nl> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.4.7) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 10:25:09 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F963592B-A799-4CE5-9891-F8AC9B210701 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>> The tzsetup manual page on 11.1-RELEASE-p4 says: >>>>=20 >>>> It is possible to short-circuit the menu system by specifying the >>>> location of a zoneinfo_file or the name of the zoneinfo_name on = the >>>> command line; this is intended mainly for pre-configured = installation >>>> scripts or people who know which zoneinfo they want to install. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> However, when I run the command like this, I still get the menu: >>>>=20 >>>> tzsetup -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Amsterdam >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Am I doing it wrong or does the tzsetup command not act like = documented? >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -Remy >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> I think you could just copy the zonefile >>>=20 >>> # md5 /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin /etc/localtime >>> MD5 (/usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin) =3D = 4790e83465681cefbf852aed265354bf >>> MD5 (/etc/localtime) =3D 4790e83465681cefbf852aed265354bf >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> thus >>>=20 >>> cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Amsterdam /etc/localtime >>> echo "Europe/Amsterdam" > /var/db/zoneinfo >>=20 >> Thanks, that seems to work(around). >>=20 >> But still: either the documentation is wrong or the command has a = bug. >>=20 >> -Remy >>=20 >=20 > Wait ... this wouldn't adjust the clock, and ignore UTC setting = /etc/wall_cmos_clock >=20 > better: > echo "Europe/Amsterdam" > /var/db/zoneinfo > touch /etc/wall_cmos_clock # if clock is set to local time > tzsetup -r >=20 >=20 > The documentation is not wrong. > "Skip the initial question about adjusting the clock if not set to = UTC" > so it just skips the UTC question That part of the documentation is correct. The -s flag skips the UTC = question.=20 I was referring to: It is possible to short-circuit the menu system by specifying the location of a zoneinfo_file or the name of the zoneinfo_name on the command line; this is intended mainly for pre-configured = installation scripts or people who know which zoneinfo they want to install. 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <776CD363-26A1-4628-B21E-2CA266609BAE@luckyhands.nl> From: Robert Schulze Organization: bytecamp GmbH Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 11:23:12 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 10:28:35 -0000 Hi, Am 04.12.2017 um 11:09 schrieb Remy Zandwijk: >>> The tzsetup manual page on 11.1-RELEASE-p4 says: >>> >>> It is possible to short-circuit the menu system by specifying the >>> location of a zoneinfo_file or the name of the zoneinfo_name on the >>> command line; >>> >>> However, when I run the command like this, I still get the menu: >>> >>> tzsetup -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Amsterdam >>> did you try # tzsetup -s Europe/Amsterdam So, just giving it the name of the timezone, not a path. regards, Robert Schulze From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 4 10:29:57 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E86D1DF763F for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:29:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwan@rail.eu.org) Received: from voyageurs.rail.eu.org (voyageurs.rail.eu.org [IPv6:2001:bc8:30d3::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B481E241B for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:29:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwan@rail.eu.org) Received: from [IPv6:2001:bc8:30d3:3040:6267:20ff:fede:1808] (unknown [IPv6:2001:bc8:30d3:3040:6267:20ff:fede:1808]) by voyageurs.rail.eu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 16F8D2CC064A for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 11:29:47 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: tzsetup without menu? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <776CD363-26A1-4628-B21E-2CA266609BAE@luckyhands.nl> From: Erwan David Message-ID: <770818ba-84da-2b72-75fa-46788621986d@rail.eu.org> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 11:29:46 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: fr DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rail.eu.org; s=mail; t=1512383387; bh=2b7OnZIs3viP7c6guei50IJ/F4FcHd5/NNvO1OyREA8=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gmAsR4hnEhZUiNe2B4d0T9zWFQpCFUUV0uhZHmUEFN3R8mVkTctqdw6/inihzp6cFROpnXK+9wBKUu+w671LCdj03fQotkBMrCaNIv7BG4Rb615ZJ9CrJM3wSebFZTDv+R5TLfQG2xnSzikHakCnCvK4zRviH9KDHg12r7W+zq4= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 10:29:58 -0000 Le 12/04/17 à 11:01, Michael Ross a écrit : > Am .12.2017, 10:32 Uhr, schrieb Remy Zandwijk : > >> The tzsetup manual page on 11.1-RELEASE-p4 says: >> >>     It is possible to short-circuit the menu system by specifying the >>     location of a zoneinfo_file or the name of the zoneinfo_name on the >>     command line; this is intended mainly for pre-configured >> installation >>     scripts or people who know which zoneinfo they want to install. >> >> >> However, when I run the command like this, I still get the menu: >> >>     tzsetup -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Amsterdam >> >> >> >> Am I doing it wrong or does the tzsetup command not act like documented? >> >> >> -Remy >> > > I think you could just copy the zonefile > > # md5 /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin /etc/localtime > MD5 (/usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin) = > 4790e83465681cefbf852aed265354bf > MD5 (/etc/localtime) = 4790e83465681cefbf852aed265354bf > > > thus > > cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Amsterdam /etc/localtime > echo "Europe/Amsterdam" > /var/db/zoneinfo > Hi, Is there a reason to prefer cp to ln -s ? With ln -s when timezone definition gets changed in the system, the localtime gets the modification. Ansible timezone module uses a symbolic link. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 4 10:37:40 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E920DF7A3E for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:37:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02C90293D for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:37:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from leaf.local (unknown [88.202.132.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45FBF16E3 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:37:36 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Create list of ports to update To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <1293daad-1284-0eab-009a-6a6d3ba7373a@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:37:35 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 10:37:40 -0000 On 03/12/2017 16:40, Carmel NY wrote: > Reading up on "poudriere", it appears that I have to feed it a list of ports > that need to be updated. Unlike "synth" which can figure that out by itself, > it does seem counterproductive. > > My question, now that "portmaster" is apparently dead in the water, what is > the easiest way to construct a list of ports that need updating in the: > "port-category/port-name" format? With poudriere, what you're doing is populating a repository. You tell poudriere what ports you want available, and it will build packages for each of them, plus all their dependencies and then create a repository from all those packages. Then later on you can update by running 'poudriere bulk' and it will work out what has been updated since the last time, and rebuild only those packages. To create a list of packages to feed into poudriere, try: % pkg query -e '%a == 0' %o That gives you a list of all the packages you installed directly, omitting anything installed just as a dependency. All the dependencies will be built automatically and available in your repo; not listing them explicitly in the list passed to poudriere is a small optimization that helps avoid some occasional errors when packages get removed or renamed. Cheers, Matthew From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 4 10:38:24 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF97DF7B16 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:38:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remy@luckyhands.nl) Received: from upuaut.luckyhands.nl (upuaut.luckyhands.nl [37.97.167.254]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D34F52A28 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:38:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remy@luckyhands.nl) Received: from 168.15.37.130.tun.labs.vu.nl (168.15.37.130.tun.labs.vu.nl [130.37.15.168]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by upuaut.luckyhands.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F05201203E6 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 11:38:21 +0100 (CET) From: Remy Zandwijk Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_9FD22469-BB33-4F9B-8BBB-CC42AC567306"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.1 \(3445.4.7\)) Subject: Re: tzsetup without menu? Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 11:38:21 +0100 References: <776CD363-26A1-4628-B21E-2CA266609BAE@luckyhands.nl> To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.4.7) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 10:38:24 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_9FD22469-BB33-4F9B-8BBB-CC42AC567306 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>> The tzsetup manual page on 11.1-RELEASE-p4 says: >>>> >>>> It is possible to short-circuit the menu system by specifying the >>>> location of a zoneinfo_file or the name of the zoneinfo_name on the >>>> command line; >>>> >>>> However, when I run the command like this, I still get the menu: >>>> >>>> tzsetup -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Amsterdam >>>> > > did you try > > # tzsetup -s Europe/Amsterdam > > So, just giving it the name of the timezone, not a path. I did not try that, but it works, thanks! So can we conclude that: - Specifying the location of a zoneinfo file does *not* work. - Specifying the zoneinfo name does work. ? -Remy --Apple-Mail=_9FD22469-BB33-4F9B-8BBB-CC42AC567306 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIILHTCCBS8w ggQXoAMCAQICEA6f2Q9dZbsrO/dCqo4EytYwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQELBQAwgZcxCzAJBgNVBAYTAkdC MRswGQYDVQQIExJHcmVhdGVyIE1hbmNoZXN0ZXIxEDAOBgNVBAcTB1NhbGZvcmQxGjAYBgNVBAoT EUNPTU9ETyBDQSBMaW1pdGVkMT0wOwYDVQQDEzRDT01PRE8gUlNBIENsaWVudCBBdXRoZW50aWNh dGlvbiBhbmQgU2VjdXJlIEVtYWlsIENBMB4XDTE3MDcxMzAwMDAwMFoXDTE4MDcxMzIzNTk1OVow IzEhMB8GCSqGSIb3DQEJARYScmVteUBsdWNreWhhbmRzLm5sMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOC AQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAvbp7iZnTyqjEl+20AxgOYfW+M3Ry281v4iDWkVnhaEzWoIFpS+fDv/FWzxtv XqHvql4TuPMoqPZRZyIoNTrr0knSOVOTgnX4mIFgja5ueQBE0pZOO567SPzgYZ9s46MkerY3CW10 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Received: from www81.your-server.de (www81.your-server.de [213.133.104.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E9A2350B for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:52:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gmx@ross.cx) Received: from [90.187.37.173] (helo=workstation) by www81.your-server.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eLoMe-0003ZK-8m; Mon, 04 Dec 2017 11:52:44 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: FreeBSD , "Remy Zandwijk" Subject: Re: tzsetup without menu? References: <776CD363-26A1-4628-B21E-2CA266609BAE@luckyhands.nl> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 11:52:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Michael Ross" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/1.0 (Win32) X-Authenticated-Sender: gmx@ross.cx X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (ClamAV 0.99.2/24099/Mon Dec 4 10:09:08 2017) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 10:52:47 -0000 Am .12.2017, 11:38 Uhr, schrieb Remy Zandwijk : >>>>> The tzsetup manual page on 11.1-RELEASE-p4 says: >>>>> >>>>> It is possible to short-circuit the menu system by specifying the >>>>> location of a zoneinfo_file or the name of the zoneinfo_name on the >>>>> command line; >>>>> >>>>> However, when I run the command like this, I still get the menu: >>>>> >>>>> tzsetup -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Amsterdam >>>>> >> >> did you try >> >> # tzsetup -s Europe/Amsterdam >> >> So, just giving it the name of the timezone, not a path. > > I did not try that, but it works, thanks! > > > So can we conclude that: > > - Specifying the location of a zoneinfo file does *not* work. > - Specifying the zoneinfo name does work. > > ? > > > > -Remy > You're right ... the man page is wrong Don't even need -s: tzsetup Europe/Amsterdam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 4 11:18:39 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA507DF8D5D for ; 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Monday, December 4, 2017 5:38 AM, Matthew Seaman stated: > On 03/12/2017 16:40, Carmel NY wrote: > > Reading up on "poudriere", it appears that I have to feed it a list of > > ports that need to be updated. Unlike "synth" which can figure that > > out by itself, it does seem counterproductive. > > > > My question, now that "portmaster" is apparently dead in the water, > > what is the easiest way to construct a list of ports that need updating= in > the: > > "port-category/port-name" format? >=20 > With poudriere, what you're doing is populating a repository. You tell > poudriere what ports you want available, and it will build packages for e= ach > of them, plus all their dependencies and then create a repository from all > those packages. Then later on you can update by running 'poudriere bulk' > and it will work out what has been updated since the last time, and rebui= ld > only those packages. >=20 > To create a list of packages to feed into poudriere, try: >=20 > % pkg query -e '%a =3D=3D 0' %o >=20 > That gives you a list of all the packages you installed directly, omitting > anything installed just as a dependency. All the dependencies will be bu= ilt > automatically and available in your repo; not listing them explicitly in = the list > passed to poudriere is a small optimization that helps avoid some occasio= nal > errors when packages get removed or renamed. >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Matthew Thanks, that reduced the number of ports from 212 to 35. Now, if I could ju= st figure out how to get the HTML crap working, I would be a happy camper. --=20 Carmel --=-=GT9CaJKPU5hVkj=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEh3rFs7ZCOM581rwKjsagALPkYOsFAlolOaIACgkQjsagALPk YOsFOgf/eU4gnjZqjj45NpsEmO6OLsZwgmbIFXftmBOApD/gvBH37/oSyLvMAg2n 81FQXaDPx1okUnjEulVrjq3l+g4jSxgFZm1loY3jo9TvHselp1UEvNB85ZAcV80x oiJFVMHHZMCg8cm9865bGInKXPyDynV47nF2XcvGROI/3UtLEpwNXt6B5Qe/qEV6 qvKrQpUv9/orqnLJZolXpktmM1mv/a2/wnmC5f/hz4MBu5H5BWKpuMr5vWXm5d89 LP62SyOkWycvKLB9tFyLYsfYWlzabTDOcfZgNZK5DuA23tKOlIJbqPNlppAPyRDB dNFDpwvXB1f6Abnr33JPvq5Lr4la8g== =pIuB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=GT9CaJKPU5hVkj=-=-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 4 12:12:22 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 041C1DFACDE for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 12:12:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rs@bytecamp.net) Received: from mxout01.bytecamp.net (mxout01.bytecamp.net [212.204.60.217]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9A9765B58 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 12:12:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rs@bytecamp.net) Received: by mxout01.bytecamp.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 82B9C575804; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:12:19 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=bytecamp.net; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=20140709; bh=wSE3UgpWzolIuSQ73MntGOLjobg=; b=jmDWnrnW3qtWUZFRI3waszserUK2qWgeoDmh+nkB1uycXBvHTvWbImXfJvKfeuKVmEgVJYAP5EsJBeVf2vEGlmnOESXt+/kQ2+G5cleneuEm6vDahwJJWaklfyX1r/J04UMCiLtPaw0CZ8w+hduNVWZfFsjHtm7BWJOKAvl2LxM= Received: from mail.bytecamp.net (mail.bytecamp.net [212.204.60.9]) by mxout01.bytecamp.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A52F575C31 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:12:16 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 85226 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2017 13:12:16 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.3.32?) 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <776CD363-26A1-4628-B21E-2CA266609BAE@luckyhands.nl> <770818ba-84da-2b72-75fa-46788621986d@rail.eu.org> From: Robert Schulze Organization: bytecamp GmbH Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:12:15 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <770818ba-84da-2b72-75fa-46788621986d@rail.eu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 12:12:22 -0000 Hi, Am 04.12.2017 um 11:29 schrieb Erwan David: > > Hi, > > Is there a reason to prefer cp to ln -s ? > With ln -s when timezone definition gets changed in the system, the > localtime gets the modification. Ansible timezone module uses a symbolic > link. I would not recommend "copying" the behaviour of tzsetup(8). It's actually working without user input, so it should be used for setting the timezone. regards, Robert Schulze From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 4 20:12:56 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC0BE698FA for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 20:12:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@outlook.com) Received: from NAM01-BY2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092001031.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.1.31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "Microsoft IT SSL SHA2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 259A9774A8 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 20:12:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@outlook.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outlook.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I installed "ccache" and uncommented the line in the poudriere.conf file to= activate it, or so I thought. 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What am I doing wrong? --=20 Carmel --=-=oXoIiZVq9/57b2=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEh3rFs7ZCOM581rwKjsagALPkYOsFAlolrBQACgkQjsagALPk YOuj0gf+M/sZlq3tmtBDLe60c0CwCtaN+uUVf3jmRrSGwWPs7+SZjkTYh3UU+02u SqZi0nI/r3yMNcib5diL+ZwuxHAJxAVbDA2Do390+ir65lYI7fqFo9uuXvb3+DfE I17D4eE0IH9tb8B1I9yeD/Ops4LxtAyIvdrOqVUFfWGJkWLJJE1nHwIWBhU4NdAR E89RFLhW1MwZuUXHHcqtSvpidNPkGB9SMnrEye8dDw/95YMLIuWuNVy7pKGe3+3m NFvltuKbxvcF1riXN4b5ag1zcMsscIKbyZMTHPnpn1lwb4lg7Pen8wZLILawwKjF DPul2IsHPf0vCOBt2e+DiOpfaX7+OA== =YIT2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=oXoIiZVq9/57b2=-=-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 5 00:08:57 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF0CE6F306 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 00:08:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59BB37FA90 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 00:08:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.191.233]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue005 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0M1kNy-1fFMGN1PYo-00thfd; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 01:08:45 +0100 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 01:08:44 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Jack Rosenthal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Implementing multi-layer keyboard in FreeBSD syscons, and control keys repeat rate Message-Id: <20171205010844.93a1164c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20171204003039.GA16209@rosenth.al> References: <20171204003039.GA16209@rosenth.al> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:YLiHjJN1oZNdHdm3V8PSceuwtevjSXZjca7xFuysfgG9u2d/9zK GOAvP+K3fNDXV6ahBnd9c1Ta0VZLTwD98XTjZd/4dkCyNSGzLQyT+wacgXf7AbMsvpEmUY3 wX8CMbNNwKiI7XZxlAZirmv5SLJkxxOOUkILwkFENvvcCpjNerjvfNa8dLRJQZT0PsOhJD9 HdevUxuFQI0vMLdaCuaIg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:IjpyAQyYk44=:ordhC7S7uqVuyTn7vTJFny Kyrzx5680Q3KD+1FyRTxa57BL9BpID5UjrAIkisidvlybKJQ/blRBhzWWKHRHzsfQvJuyIxHE luhXEyopTOihXo2Q7SSUnG4qEGGZkb9Fb8lNiDrkd85aNpvQmzB0b1hxBdjmvyY4jfD03lZXU eGjqOveKt0lsH5dh74LeETBaq1Sy+fmrIDhhxkoOYimfKQvDit/3uzQqiPIm17Bavb3khh1TM MdbuGUkeHoQWLp70Rk47fNcFK31zL2rzYP275vp2+/xOuBdM4wVaAeaO0bvbTteLf/fsh5K24 Nt41DWOiyADEqjj+ikbusFLFo9Pt24cirvs3hnSM+09YkzjuugQpU/d3sjy6HhZP0QtGuQlAA fKJVu00NAR9menl1QNr+SQ+FCSQJ2qJAFJwnX50WfGIX0jpEHa2kGHBFeaKd2BI8NxPyYW4OE Mlwpq7/c0FRPlixSsIn7+mkVeyjxEWBdip6iUhdq5uDRzDcQR/Imnb79Wvn5oaw2nlCaJ9/eN K1EP/n5Hj2X6wWfTCrCOzJ7YcTgFbf40rCRzfGjU/DCurnxHNEOka9VIje9lnLi98hi62aV/s BW3W67bIJCAUSfupfcN7j+CFW23Fsoj53DYmgtoSycLU/ctvBXs5c9FXzAMc2Tsg0MtaNKI1I GvWfhDfoLJqe2BDQVlHqYlcRaQ5HxOU1AZLjM1RP78ibOiE4ynaMWQcqQENYQfriLBYgyGdTP E4VYQFGONo66zYh7p8U2mWYlkuv2O3FLE284quiJH7Dy2Rb2Q4sRHSgkpgc= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 00:08:57 -0000 On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:30:39 -0700, Jack Rosenthal wrote: > I'm trying to implement a multi-layer keyboard layout for the FreeBSD > console (sort of like the Neo layout, there's more things that change > the keys than just shift). If you're curious, the keyboard spec is here: > > https://github.com/jackrosenthal/threelayout > > Here's what I've got so far: > > https://github.com/jackrosenthal/threelayout/blob/master/freebsd/3l.kbd Interesting effort. However, I think traditional syscons (sc) will be abolished soon and fully replaced by NewCons (vt) due to the fact that modern X doesn't work until you switch to vt. Maybe you can also investigate how vt does things, and find a solution there? > Essentially, from what I can tell, FreeBSD only supports Shift, Ctrl, > and Alt (and combinations there of) for modifiers. So I've currently got > symbols on the 'Alt' layer, cursor controls and numpad on 'Ctrl', and > the real control keys on 'Ctrl+Shift'. >From my understanding (many years old!), this is correct, as those are the esential modifier keys on the i386-oriented hardware architecture for keyboards and their interfaces. > Besides having to use 'Ctrl+Shift' to use the real control keys, the > arrows etc. on the 'Ctrl' layer seem not to repeat when held down. That is strange. Repeat should be present on all layers where a "normal" key is part of the combination (even ESC). Additionally, the lower levels (keyboard driver and sc input handler) typically deal with "key down" and "key up" events obtained from the keyboard interface and will generate the repeat from that (for keys that can have repeat abilities). > So, a couple of questions: > > 1. Any hacks to get that key repeat working? Honestly the most > inconvenient part... No idea anymore, sorry... my days of lowlevel hardware interface hacking are over... ;-) > 2. Any way to make the Ctrl key send Ctrl+Shift? I was thinking that I > could make a function key for that, but cannot find any way to do > that from the manual (kbdcontrol). This is something to be implemented in the keyboard driver directly, i. e., atkbd or ukbd - and re-check with the lower-level sc (or vt?) interface to those drivers, usually there are ioctl()s doing it. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 5 07:58:42 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34196DFAC2C for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 07:58:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71FE6F8D6 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 07:58:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ppp121-45-11-215.bras1.adl4.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([121.45.11.215]) by ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 05 Dec 2017 18:23:29 +1030 Subject: Re: CUDA under FreeBSD To: FreeBSD References: <34331.107.77.207.211.1512384505.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> From: Shane Ambler Message-ID: <0545699d-9df7-ced2-4990-27e3ecb8e531@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:23:27 +1030 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <34331.107.77.207.211.1512384505.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-AU Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 07:58:42 -0000 On 04/12/2017 21:19, galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote: > > On Mon, December 4, 2017 4:24 am, Carmel NY wrote: >> Out of morbid curiosity, I was wondering if anyone could tell me >> the real reason that Nvidia does not support CUDA under > > Arrogance would be my guess. The morbid part is that they give us the linux libcuda, so we should be able to run linux binaries that use cuda, just not native apps. >> FreeBSD? Also, what are the realistic expectations for it getting >> supported shortly? > > Zero is my estimate. The way to let one's steam about them is just > not to buy ther hardware. Their attitude to open sourse and > unwillingness to disclose details of their hardware was always much > worse than that of their competitors (ATI/AMD, matrox...). > > This is just my opinion based on my subjective observations. I'm sure on an episode of bsdnow, they mentioned asking an nvidia dev at one of the conferences and they said there shouldn't be any technical reason, it just isn't enabled in the build and they would look into it. Still hasn't helped any. -- FreeBSD - the place to B...Software Developing Shane Ambler From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 5 10:04:41 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935CEDFFEC1 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 10:04:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@outlook.com) Received: from NAM02-BL2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092003084.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.3.84]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "Microsoft IT SSL SHA2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25BA673D68 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 10:04:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@outlook.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outlook.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 2:53 AM, Shane Ambler stated: > On 04/12/2017 21:19, galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote: > > On Mon, December 4, 2017 4:24 am, Carmel NY wrote: > >> Out of morbid curiosity, I was wondering if anyone could tell me the > >> real reason that Nvidia does not support CUDA under > > > > Arrogance would be my guess. >=20 > The morbid part is that they give us the linux libcuda, so we should be a= ble to > run linux binaries that use cuda, just not native apps. >=20 > >> FreeBSD? Also, what are the realistic expectations for it getting > >> supported shortly? > > > > Zero is my estimate. The way to let one's steam about them is just not > > to buy ther hardware. Their attitude to open sourse and unwillingness > > to disclose details of their hardware was always much worse than that > > of their competitors (ATI/AMD, matrox...). > > > > This is just my opinion based on my subjective observations. Personally, I have always considered Nvidia products to be superior. > I'm sure on an episode of bsdnow, they mentioned asking an nvidia dev at > one of the conferences and they said there shouldn't be any technical > reason, it just isn't enabled in the build and they would look into it. > Still hasn't helped any. Interesting. I was not aware of that. It would seem to me that there should= be more of an=20 concerted effort to get this issue resolved. --=20 Carmel --=-=lO46kCFZ6rJRAP=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEh3rFs7ZCOM581rwKjsagALPkYOsFAlombyAACgkQjsagALPk YOvv/Af/WyAp4iApFvc5RPjsjfzuxlpWyMb+I8ANriHgMQu5xrqMPaqb6Y2NYO1E EeDvtX7NwXROUXm9D3j/Qt6fXJC0NjuOwy8hRefEq63UAitrfFqymXWtT8f6Jzp/ nF+bPgdsYd6yqG8mzmg8QY/enKSYFSAhEzKdVU2GYZK+jAygx+bClxu7qejpcN8L keGJoN/jaY5/fLqQtmdCMl9Hvzv7uFbH4racJGW9rfiHb8BMefFUGD5PIvHNhUuF FwO3rYMZuV977ooknI/1p1vRn8yqufEaB+f4+bFZeWRirvvDBEnY6OaT+MjsfvOL pnHNgvJv4M538dqRFMHGkJwfkj9xBg== =/vsK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=lO46kCFZ6rJRAP=-=-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 5 10:31:46 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10118E56BAD for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 10:31:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solene@perso.pw) Received: from perso.pw (perso.pw [163.172.223.238]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "perso.pw", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8207E74A66 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 10:31:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solene@perso.pw) Received: from perso.pw (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by perso.pw (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 5d66ac7f; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 11:25:02 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=perso.pw; h=mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:date:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:references:message-id; s=1337; bh=hjA6BeO40zfro8E// /yRuWD5qSc=; b=AGSeNDZP2r543rjLx4EJNF/nerYZvPM21q8dd1amHgDQ5A00S t7pWAtAOtqewaFT3HVNQrmlvPNFnEFB4sFJZUr/B8LALhY03FpjadGw8LfCWZkZx BujQ6czNemvrjTdzlh9sETFxLAzdtUoLBdg934H6o/1pN+nK0B9a38OA+g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=perso.pw; h=mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:date:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:references:message-id; q=dns; s=1337; b=RnAfr4psUE4 bGIbPV+HkrXFQX8pgub1K9/4PSi+pFF2wHInQ4MSnZEq+sgLp8CHImUWDkDzpIgD DBROFz0DhpEwsuWFKfRQvgFMGBD3xRP8cR6bBXq3HtHFALcRcr/WfRL0Yt4eM5VH qZBunIBGRV2Or2d9R961cdcbu7HpfZZA= Received: from tesseract.perso.pw (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by perso.pw (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 0e31b594; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 11:25:02 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 11:25:02 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Sol=C3=A8ne_Rapenne?= To: FreeBSD Cc: Carmel NY Subject: Re: poudriere & ccache In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: X-Sender: solene@perso.pw User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 10:31:46 -0000 Le 2017-12-04 21:12, Carmel NY a écrit : > I installed "ccache" and uncommented the line in the poudriere.conf > file to activate it, > or so I thought. There is no indication that "ccache" is actually > being used. "ccache -s" > shows zero activity. What am I doing wrong? Hello, maybe poudriere invokes ccache with a data directory specified so ccache -s won't display anything until it use the same directory. 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 5:25 AM, Sol=C3=A8ne Rapenne stated: > Le 2017-12-04 21:12, Carmel NY a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: > > I installed "ccache" and uncommented the line in the poudriere.conf > > file to activate it, or so I thought. There is no indication that > > "ccache" is actually being used. "ccache -s" > > shows zero activity. What am I doing wrong? >=20 > Hello, >=20 > maybe poudriere invokes ccache with a data directory specified so ccache = -s > won't display anything until it use the same directory. env CCACHE_DIR=3D/var/cache/ccache ccache -s cache directory /var/cache/ccache primary config /var/cache/ccache/ccache.conf secondary config (readonly) /usr/local/etc/ccache.conf cache hit (direct) 0 cache hit (preprocessed) 0 cache miss 0 cache hit rate 0.00 % cleanups performed 0 files in cache 0 cache size 0.0 kB max cache size 10.0 GB I placed a ccache.conf file in that directory and increased the max size to= 10 GB I read somewhere that, that might make a difference. It didn't. --=20 Carmel --=-=sPTyD4NenJdmvR=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEh3rFs7ZCOM581rwKjsagALPkYOsFAlomfoAACgkQjsagALPk YOtHfggAyYtCTgUiSDuebSxyoxiS13twLHm0Mw74cTyIQu2l5ZdicXay7sshmY+O DJ5kl1qogIglPn25UmYjhTcKa1dO2vTlxGFYn4O1WtVeXEnQSwkulRdOzTEyDqiK 839b0e1D8oPu33DqXJqhDWr38lJB2gKh1w/rwHtIJdevCa4OokzS2hsSVkxtqCFK 6xJDs3eJH6V14W6FPCUU8vOgFFD4e3a/Ee0h06Wa8IqCz5B+J5SybYPP8PyPKz2G BferrP5kNtHaTFajtxFqXfkjg9RmXQpNX9Z4C8OvdGfgQo2sQ/nw4i6bP3/7kwkG GJVZ+H1UyS3VNazbw99yMqWZAmyw+w== =S4hc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=sPTyD4NenJdmvR=-=-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 5 14:10:58 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59649E6AF8D for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 14:10:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gewasiuk@blackhorselabs.net) Received: from mail1.blackhorselabs.net (mail1.blackhorselabs.net [IPv6:2600:1f18:2650:ff00:f914:8c9d:f673:b412]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3CF0F7BF9D for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 14:10:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gewasiuk@blackhorselabs.net) Received: by mail1.blackhorselabs.net (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 37AFC907B4; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 09:10:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.blackhorselabs.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35642907B2 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 09:10:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 09:10:50 -0500 (EST) From: Gordon Ewasiuk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Package conflict: bind v/s bind-tools Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (BSF 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 14:10:58 -0000 Howdy List, Pkg tells me I can have bind OR bind-utils due to a conflict with arpaname, which comes with bind: > [me@mail1 ~]$ sudo pkg install bind-tools > (snip) > Checking integrity... done (1 conflicting) > - bind-tools-9.11.2 conflicts with bind911-9.11.2 on > /usr/local/bin/arpaname > > The following 2 package(s) will be affected (of 0 checked): > > Installed packages to be REMOVED: > bind911-9.11.2 > > New packages to be INSTALLED: > bind-tools: 9.11.2 So...I can have BIND and run a DNS server or I can have dig/delv and not run BIND? Is this a recent change? Has anyone else encountered it? If so, how did you handle it? (Unbound isn't an option for me at this time.) -Gordon From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 5 14:22:40 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E2CE6B5A4 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 14:22:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C4997C7DB for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 14:22:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from leaf.local (unknown [88.202.132.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B007418F8 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 14:22:34 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: Package conflict: bind v/s bind-tools To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 14:22:34 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 14:22:40 -0000 On 05/12/2017 14:10, Gordon Ewasiuk via freebsd-questions wrote: > Howdy List, > > Pkg tells me I can have bind OR bind-utils due to a conflict with > arpaname, which comes with bind: > >> [me@mail1 ~]$ sudo pkg install bind-tools >> (snip) >> Checking integrity... done (1 conflicting) >>  - bind-tools-9.11.2 conflicts with bind911-9.11.2 on >> /usr/local/bin/arpaname >> >> The following 2 package(s) will be affected (of 0 checked): >> >> Installed packages to be REMOVED: >>        bind911-9.11.2 >> >> New packages to be INSTALLED: >>        bind-tools: 9.11.2 > > So...I can have BIND and run a DNS server or I can have dig/delv and not > run BIND? > > Is this a recent change?  Has anyone else encountered it?  If so, how > did you handle it?  (Unbound isn't an option for me at this time.) The bind server package includes everything that's in the bind-utils package: % pkg which /usr/local/bin/dig /usr/local/bin/dig was installed by package bind911-9.11.2_4 % pkg which /usr/local/bin/delv /usr/local/bin/delv was installed by package bind911-9.11.2_4 So just install bind if you want to use it as a nameserver. Cheers, Matthew From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 5 14:30:27 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C030E6B88D for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 14:30:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gewasiuk@blackhorselabs.net) Received: from mail1.blackhorselabs.net (mail1.blackhorselabs.net [34.236.90.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B5E57CA25 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 14:30:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gewasiuk@blackhorselabs.net) Received: by mail1.blackhorselabs.net (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 0F971907B5; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 09:30:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.blackhorselabs.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D035907B2 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 09:30:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 09:30:25 -0500 (EST) From: Gordon Ewasiuk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: SOLVED (was Re: Package conflict: bind v/s bind-tools) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (BSF 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 14:30:27 -0000 On Tue, 5 Dec 2017, Matthew Seaman wrote: >> Pkg tells me I can have bind OR bind-utils due to a conflict with >> arpaname, which comes with bind: >> (snip) >> So...I can have BIND and run a DNS server or I can have dig/delv and not >> run BIND? >> >> Is this a recent change?? Has anyone else encountered it?? If so, how >> did you handle it?? (Unbound isn't an option for me at this time.) > > The bind server package includes everything that's in the bind-utils > package: > > % pkg which /usr/local/bin/dig > /usr/local/bin/dig was installed by package bind911-9.11.2_4 > % pkg which /usr/local/bin/delv > /usr/local/bin/delv was installed by package bind911-9.11.2_4 Hi Matthew, Right before I saw your msg, I discovered that myself. Argh. Sorry for bothering the list. Thanks for the quick reply. -Gordon From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 5 15:34:21 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD007E6DCCD for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 15:34:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emilia@disroot.org) Received: from disroot.org (bs-one.disroot.org [178.21.23.139]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74E727F1F2 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 15:34:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emilia@disroot.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52455268AB for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 16:34:13 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1512488053; bh=p+KVwn+N3HRPFsgPxNFbz6d4jLl2qoj6JIc16r35A3Y=; h=Date:From:Subject:To; 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Tue, 5 Dec 2017 15:58:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03996803ED for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 15:58:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.18.98]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue003 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0LgtBS-1epJkF0gje-00oHJY; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 16:53:21 +0100 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 16:53:21 +0100 From: Polytropon To: emilia@disroot.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question about nvidia driver Message-Id: <20171205165321.6ef2dabc.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:yuIvCoMJ03BGVJB1Kb0k8ycUeeNGfJpI95P41jRbYXj1U2tDRml JcM0i7yCnf3UEqmXM+WLbIUA3VMnL6o75ev2EGDrNbIotZx3GHatJKD7NvO34Tg8yQIVQUc 9cYAjUc/6uHhz6qNMOzyLfy+v7woqYT5UNtZJcl6Ch7f+rSdmNFxA7j78NQ8FnEB5jydfHY 5lUX8aSEOlioCPkoPqI8w== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:aM2psDSJItg=:qTGF+JDZu5vPpwQfzHnLR3 uaU28B+4sAQN7St6tJc70rq1BSaYcWdY4+idRmaSsz3EfF9oSrkrqkM0HBX1yzgDG8XXmnakW S3YjF9X82Hpsj/0X+V653gon20dQaAaKjX2BK6IL1N0dZmUCClGeTtfcaGm/PGRophK94jcNY CYHjEU4uPiE3zlPRcPM/UE10/Mx9wlbY4wF2oEIxhMjFZwyEaV08qaJeKUz4M25hH2zH8wFA7 CRYI9piYQgim1ZjZUI420i7Tk5vJfpgHSxMYJckCuP0BDl4w6uLck3+i+OhjkP5/KOucH6t7N 3ILF7ePvi1/ctEpnPFHFC6zVq38uNQbUMl1+gkmJaQLvxZmOK+kXmvZVh4mCvIVHUeMcyAtKY aEAC/ZWwIaIHr9sSLxK7PbHkePvSoe7YBdKqv8RqHHzk9jH+Xxicg6htz49B2/jb2JaWgj8lC 9fbwgYJY1vHzjIK4o9RM5U4VnAzq3YI/72VUEdv5PgVRiwEifg41kHQcP5cjdtPqN/sNf7Lr9 vdn/Dm6gPk4FWlyA+2kLEiFf/8v5g7d5xh0EvMaG92y50uSjOTYvLYBBwFOAp/6kqQxZaVxtM tqvF0TsodNR9vZknoCs2HK7+3XbluCu5CxAHRHk47MKK8zqauMO2JEFo7mrstQgSEJNydC1z7 S/x7UlmayQoGk23Ma9ykZKEYqeAtyPzj+8FFYU0jGXvO7r3Aklo4Y28KdProg/rw3TuGw2tPl LhwHJfa2IawYYGTHWT3mSF8iaVPIIweB2MxUqJ94Vz8jh9S/U5DH8cRR58E= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 15:58:42 -0000 On Tue, 05 Dec 2017 15:34:07 +0000, emilia@disroot.org wrote: > Hello there, > i have been using the nvidia 340 driver for some time with an > older nvidia gpu, now i have a gtx 960 and decided to use the > newest nvidia driver. > In order to use X11 I load the nvidia-modeset kernelmodule, > X11 works nicely but now all other tty's (0-7) are completely > messed up and only show gibberish, is there some fix for that? If you haven't already, switch from sc to vt (check for the entry "kern.vty=vt" in /boot/loader.conf). This will usually work for "X vs. console + KMS" kind of problems. More information: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Newcons And of course "man vt". :-) https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=vt&sektion=4 -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:42:08 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 16:42:07 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1512492128; bh=dBjoWnJIZTJ26+BFzjWuCWMYzsYoVcLHSjUdbgYFhEM=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=jomEp1/Lf5GsDnPq0JU3NElNwXhmxvOS8ZVaP0a+YpjmreCGvBiBdBsb04UTUn2DO F16p8e67LT7hGfmN+ckpP7k9rFdf+VbUCbkoB2qNZ6v/g7SCuvV0xVEzNoAWgGZBId jCA4PDDNyYYgfJU/5C25H1u0MdatwllLQko4Hp9M= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: emilia@disroot.org Message-ID: <8fc5ff1eb5fbfe92d52611fc38884af8@disroot.org> Subject: Re: Question about nvidia driver To: "Manish Jain" , "Polytropon" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <20171205165321.6ef2dabc.freebsd@edvax.de> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 16:42:18 -0000 I forgot to mention that i run 11.1-RELEASE, vt schould be enabled per de= fault, i added it to /boot/loader.conf just to be sure though.=0A=0AAs fo= r the nvidia-modeset the X11 server does not start if i have not loaded n= vidia-modeset, regardless if i have loaded nvidia alone or not.=0AI had n= vidia-modeset_load=3D"YES" in /boot/loader.conf i have prepended nvidia_l= oad=3D"YES but the symptoms remain the same (after a reboot)=0A(i also ha= ve linux_load and linux64_load enabled)=0A=0Aregards,=0Aemilia From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 5 16:54:10 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2198E70A8D for ; 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Wed, 6 Dec 2017 03:35:57 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 03:35:57 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: android email client? Message-ID: <20171206031714.O85657@sola.nimnet.asn.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 16:54:10 -0000 hi folks, still in hospital for maybe weeks, with only mobile ph. ccess. this logged in via JuiceSSH tl pine, and NOT currently subsctibed to list, so pls cc me on reply. need to find a decent android email clent that can properly '>' quote 6and edit rather than just M$-style top post / tail quote. advice please? please be brief, working like this is slow and tedious :-) cheers, ian From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 5 17:11:41 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C88EEE7160A for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:11:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47BD6372C for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:11:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id B3BE0E71609; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:11:41 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B36A2E71608 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:11:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.home.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org", Issuer "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A0596372B for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:11:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.home.qeng-ho.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vB5HBUCf092130; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:11:30 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Subject: Re: android email client? To: Ian Smith , questions@freebsd.org References: <20171206031714.O85657@sola.nimnet.asn.au> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:11:30 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171206031714.O85657@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 17:11:41 -0000 On 05/12/2017 16:35, Ian Smith wrote: > hi folks, > > still in hospital for maybe weeks, with only mobile ph. Much sympathy. I'm not happy in hospital even if it's for one night. > ccess. this logged in via JuiceSSH tl pine, and NOT currently > subsctibed to list, so pls cc me on reply. > > need to find a decent android email clent that can properly '>' quote > 6and edit rather than just M$-style top post / tail quote. advice > please? > > please be brief, working like this is slow and tedious :-) > K9 mail. Written by techies for techies. I've been using it as long as I've had an Android phone. It's slightly non-intuitive in places but still the best I've found. -- An amusing coincidence: log2(58) = 5.858 (to 0.0003% accuracy). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 5 17:29:34 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29048E71E27 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:29:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from knezour@weboutsourcing.cz) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E7C64785 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:29:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from knezour@weboutsourcing.cz) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 10145E71E26; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:29:34 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB7BE71E25 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:29:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from knezour@weboutsourcing.cz) Received: from mail.koukaam.se (mail.koukaam.se [213.175.38.64]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.koukaam.se", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FC3564781 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:29:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from knezour@weboutsourcing.cz) Received: from [192.168.0.204] (unassigned-84-246-166-35.ujezd.net [84.246.166.35]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.koukaam.se (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id vB5HCYED010934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:12:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from knezour@weboutsourcing.cz) Subject: Re: android email client? To: Ian Smith , questions@freebsd.org References: <20171206031714.O85657@sola.nimnet.asn.au> From: Ondra Knezour Message-ID: <38a2cff5-0bfa-8320-ff47-eedafbcc71f3@weboutsourcing.cz> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:12:31 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171206031714.O85657@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms040308090001020804060401" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 17:29:34 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040308090001020804060401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Language: cs Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ian, Dne 05.12.2017 v 17:35 Ian Smith napsal(a): > need to find a decent android email clent that can properly '>' quote > 6and edit rather than just M$-style top post / tail quote. advice > please? take a look at K2 mail. Can't remember about quoting, I am not using=20 mail on phone any more, but it was quite satisfactory when I did. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=3Dcom.fsck.k9&hl=3Den Get well soon --=20 Regards Ondra Knezour --------------ms040308090001020804060401 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: Elektronicky podpis S/MIME MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC Dh8wggZfMIIFR6ADAgECAgFxMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAMFsxCzAJBgNVBAYTAkNaMSwwKgYD VQQKDCPEjGVza8OhIHBvxaF0YSwgcy5wLiBbScSMIDQ3MTE0OTgzXTEeMBwGA1UEAxMVUG9z dFNpZ251bSBSb290IFFDQSAyMB4XDTEwMDExOTExMzEyMFoXDTIwMDExOTExMzAyMFowXzEL MAkGA1UEBhMCQ1oxLDAqBgNVBAoMI8SMZXNrw6EgcG/FoXRhLCBzLnAuIFtJxIwgNDcxMTQ5 ODNdMSIwIAYDVQQDExlQb3N0U2lnbnVtIFF1YWxpZmllZCBDQSAyMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0B AQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAptFF5UWWYyihAP9nMkD0zv3ctxmK8dG9YQbyOwSmnbFNrJHX 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To: Ian Smith Cc: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 18:09:54 -0000 Sorry to hear you're not well, hope you get better and out of there real soon! I'm a bit fan of Aqual Mail https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.kman.AquaMail Handles Exchange (for my work) quite well including contacts/calendar sync, and any IMAP/POP account as well. Lots of possible customization as well, if you like that, but the defaults are quite good. --Aaron On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 8:35 AM, Ian Smith wrote: > hi folks, > > still in hospital for maybe weeks, with only mobile ph. > ccess. this logged in via JuiceSSH tl pine, and NOT currently > subsctibed to list, so pls cc me on reply. > > need to find a decent android email clent that can properly '>' quote > 6and edit rather than just M$-style top post / tail quote. advice > please? > > please be brief, working like this is slow and tedious :-) > > cheers, ian > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 5 18:18:39 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D90AE732E3 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:18:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joh.hendriks@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr0-x235.google.com (mail-wr0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E54E66872 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:18:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joh.hendriks@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr0-x235.google.com with SMTP id v22so1315821wrb.0 for ; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 10:18:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=KX781gUzD2hAi7dT6UlEA7BSQWGW1Pa+NT/sthwQAOs=; b=FH0++QkvvlLjxqD+NtHk6d5kEswKDjnSbg0jPKo668wfuPFCS1MsPsd/bbR1eyh9Y2 VTTj3/xqz+h6+4H9Jt//PFzdUbRDK8EfYWBSDvJeQ2q7GF6ZspyPmqJjeEzyw0q44dab BdXqjbAXmT0zRai1Q6KbYomLEJ+Tw/B7tvssK9ev6DymYBRBnBrJHRx7JeSorjIdKOYC 3umiyKwhRVO+RWJ5B9I5T2soLnn/0y5iA3SQY4ijU0HqwCTW2AFxjCRPqPAXmCMImfXa 9Tuf7GYIdhIYgsnRo3kiFykPwGl6s7FwDO48EjZsfP78m4P9C8nP6ZwMxYOLqQiqN2zO dERw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=KX781gUzD2hAi7dT6UlEA7BSQWGW1Pa+NT/sthwQAOs=; b=aWYo3vz0/RE0/TwMWRltE3d2xBxBYCMguZnJ/gY+rmmX7KJOMwwrPDDhwxisGzm2DD 9xwFvJsAhNh61iAmO/ofX/kT0mV2B9iFsplf2LeGaASkHn/SFZSqzdKLPXUF55qP9v+z clVATDSRhirkhAtj5rxiqxmjb/sHEiReG19KZZJMiEPwd1hRWvkvfc6xbbP26pQZpCTZ CgQClVa+CGqM2EmwQnYHlNo8xFhNxdWVXUmBNz7dGWPfzZhZg6VSrbMMD9ifw+Nq1j9o Tq8onh01YmK3/PCjcNlquZjOTNYRXI78qQCZI84Dv6TRa9MDAHUfnZJ1S2XgvL5jgNrk 2Yng== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mJI3ec3sVPf+gkhsVUN72tr2CpoTWmnZGe+gy4LnvMsPaPLCM8o DAzvImxPIiYIEsMHex0cQ+rQBBVZJNr5MQYgS1w= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMaaMGC+g6Rh9OQOy/E5gdudFJJfu1CEauRqcPykvzEiuIspLakYdnJj59TYxm21RS7iM2/H/Iz7Ndk7a3q77bQ= X-Received: by 10.223.184.125 with SMTP id u58mr11746461wrf.33.1512497916853; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 10:18:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20171206031714.O85657@sola.nimnet.asn.au> In-Reply-To: <20171206031714.O85657@sola.nimnet.asn.au> From: Johan Hendriks Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 18:18:26 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: android email client? To: Ian Smith , freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 18:18:39 -0000 Op di 5 dec. 2017 om 17:54 schreef Ian Smith > hi folks, > > still in hospital for maybe weeks, with only mobile ph. > ccess. this logged in via JuiceSSH tl pine, and NOT currently > subsctibed to list, so pls cc me on reply. > > need to find a decent android email clent that can properly '>' quote > 6and edit rather than just M$-style top post / tail quote. advice > please? > > please be brief, working like this is slow and tedious :-) > > cheers, ian > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hope you get better soon. I used k9 mail also on my android phone. I worked fast and never had any problem with it. 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[50.243.4.3]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id y133sm462000itf.7.2017.12.05.10.19.30 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Dec 2017 10:19:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5A26E35B.9080302@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 11:20:11 -0700 From: JD User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: android email client? References: <20171206031714.O85657@sola.nimnet.asn.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 18:19:32 -0000 On 12/05/2017 11:09 AM, Aaron wrote: > Sorry to hear you're not well, hope you get better and out of there real > soon! > > > I'm a bit fan of Aqual Mail > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.kman.AquaMail > Handles Exchange (for my work) quite well including contacts/calendar sync, > and any IMAP/POP account as well. Lots of possible customization as well, > if you like that, but the defaults are quite good. > > --Aaron > > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 8:35 AM, Ian Smith wrote: > >> hi folks, >> >> still in hospital for maybe weeks, with only mobile ph. >> ccess. this logged in via JuiceSSH tl pine, and NOT currently >> subsctibed to list, so pls cc me on reply. >> >> need to find a decent android email clent that can properly '>' quote >> 6and edit rather than just M$-style top post / tail quote. advice >> please? >> >> please be brief, working like this is slow and tedious :-) >> >> cheers, ian >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- >> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> Found Aqua mail client, but did not find Aqual mail client. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 5 18:30:13 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE03E73CBC for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:30:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE5267676 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:30:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 9C323E73CBB; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:30:13 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE23E73CB9 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:30:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 328CB67674 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:30:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1512498614; x=1515090614; h=x-thread-info:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NqnQ2pwCQpxghB9K+V7nEELg+WrZsVPeLp8efEwrbfQ=; b=LLtK4EaABG4fEr0gUMnNWk4bT4cA/0SYj4kZY/xD+/YffE6fQkMoZMQlXMdxC/kuc5clkDzrBYMcdXFDj/ok8/ZO6iROh2SxpeVfp6Jd7fFh43NYwdC4x+3mqTbv783922/poFbG6TI5QcfsNUBv/LxPjuEaVa04CP/i6v+rTgY= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi44MTAwMDAwMDM5NTE2Yi5xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r5.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r5.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com [52.39.5.146]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 5 Dec 2017 12:29:48 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r5.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 5 Dec 2017 12:29:46 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.89 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1eMH2N-00095Z-4G; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 17:29:43 +0000 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:29:42 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Arthur Chance Cc: Ian Smith , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: android email client? Message-Id: <20171205172942.232b160fe90de622d2b7a993@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20171206031714.O85657@sola.nimnet.asn.au> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 18:30:13 -0000 On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:11:30 +0000 Arthur Chance wrote: > K9 mail. Written by techies for techies. I've been using it as long as > I've had an Android phone. It's slightly non-intuitive in places but > still the best I've found. Seconded - far from perfect but by easily the best. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 5 18:31:35 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41758E73EB2 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:31:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbeis@xs4all.nl) Received: from lb1-smtp-cloud8.xs4all.net (lb1-smtp-cloud8.xs4all.net [194.109.24.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.xs4all.net", Issuer "RapidSSL SHA256 CA - G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8BBA67AEB for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:31:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbeis@xs4all.nl) Received: from yokozuna.lan ([83.160.85.125]) by smtp-cloud8.xs4all.net with ESMTP id MHz5eUYYdg5cRMHz6esPWI; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 19:30:24 +0100 Received: from yokozuna (yokozuna [IPv6:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1]) by yokozuna.lan (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id vB5IUMdW049699 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 5 Dec 2017 19:30:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mbeis@xs4all.nl) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 19:30:22 +0100 (CET) From: Marco Beishuizen Sender: marco@yokozuna.lan Reply-To: Marco Beishuizen To: emilia@disroot.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question about nvidia driver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (BSF 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfPpd/Vb2myUwr/MDuwHRfu99UR3jinK/Ljfz3Qhf/j+YdjKqWuSlRh3jFMdhRcj/foiO14Ao1IzyYzs1HW8I27EEmh8e7Sitw1xFP7Y+snuqlgvU29NB t2prwMjw+khZy0FdGU31LR0DWd2RpIKc0D8AOnGPw/OUeZNQYZYhHvrQlTn7VcRqdnSiu52ei+pFxg== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 18:31:35 -0000 On Tue, 5 Dec 2017, the wise emilia@disroot.org wrote: > Hello there, i have been using the nvidia 340 driver for some time with > an older nvidia gpu, now i have a gtx 960 and decided to use the newest > nvidia driver. In order to use X11 I load the nvidia-modeset > kernelmodule, X11 works nicely but now all other tty's (0-7) are > completely messed up and only show gibberish, is there some fix for > that? Afaik this has been in FreeBSD since the switch from sc to vt. I'm not sure though if it's a vt or a Nvidia bug. Only solution I know of is to put hw.vga.textmode=1 in /boot/loader.conf. Drawback is that you don't get graphics mode in your console but old fashioned pre-vt console fonts. Regards, Marco -- Only two kinds of witnesses exist. The first live in a neighborhood where a crime has been committed and in no circumstances have ever seen anything or even heard a shot. The second category are the neighbors of anyone who happens to be accused of the crime. These have always looked out of their windows when the shot was fired, and have noticed the accused person standing peacefully on his balcony a few yards away. -- Sicilian police officer From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 5 18:51:33 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD5BE748FD for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:51:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228C868A80 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:51:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 1F02DE748FC; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:51:33 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EAC5E748FB for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:51:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8224E68A7E for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:51:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id vB5IpRnb092220; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 05:51:27 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 05:51:27 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Arthur Chance cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: android email client? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20171206053815.F85657@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20171206031714.O85657@sola.nimnet.asn.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 18:51:33 -0000 On Tue, 5 Dec 2017, Arthur Chance wrote: > Much sympathy. I'm not happy in hospital even if it's for one night. thanks Arthur to you and all who've replied. pine via JuiceSSH isn't too bad actually, but my other a/c is non-unix. Will check out K9 and others tomorrow; just realised I don't have my passwords to hand today ;-) cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 5 19:00:05 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF91DE74EFC for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 19:00:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emilia@disroot.org) Received: from disroot.org (bs-one.disroot.org [178.21.23.139]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94492693FA for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 19:00:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emilia@disroot.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7D129FA6; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 20:00:02 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1512500402; bh=93AkuVkDPDA/K4JEuM5EhDZnXT4YGm0ZTH88jG5BJmA=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=UsI7EimkJ53Qb0/5bmXArECpqVVSG8KxGVflemtQmc4jKOh8r5VGI9v8bWa+zO5Gi 523SmoNcyfJapi9UwuEspa/ld5WjJf/GDNTXcdkIyw5mNCK+zIIlNj3dBfRCY4XyPf WFSR0/Jm2228dnInp8b1+Aj2Qg9ufPRA+OUrLMkg= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at disroot.org Received: from disroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail01.disroot.lan [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K5LxLSQsBiRN; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 20:00:00 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 18:59:58 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1512500398; bh=93AkuVkDPDA/K4JEuM5EhDZnXT4YGm0ZTH88jG5BJmA=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=UuSAPmxsyy2tmdD5OPqLb/EhT8wQW7OkUV2GLnRlCKfC+bEXtm7MVf6BE9dWu8xwx UD2LP+6imsywTKWC7EZNrbfxYiKR/1lxWxZEsCYD5I/ah/Sxo7T44/O23F/kRE8t/E 3rNrFeW6iv7G/lMO5ZUZyuFkiY6jmnPhOuaGNB4M= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: emilia@disroot.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: Question about nvidia driver To: "Marco Beishuizen" , "Manish Jain" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 19:00:05 -0000 > Only solution I know of is to put hw.vga.textmode=3D1 in /boot/loader.c= onf. Drawback is that you=0A> don't get graphics mode in your console but= old fashioned pre-vt console fonts.=0A=0AThis solution works, switching = to a tty is quite slow, but atleast it is usable :)=0A=0A> There is a pro= blem on account of which you cannot kldload nvidia-modeset=0A> via /boot/= loader.conf. The sure way to kldload nvidia and nvidia-modeset=0A> by put= ting this in /etc/rc.local :=0A> =0A> kldload nvidia=0A> kldload nvidia-m= odeset=0A> =0A> If your loader.conf / rc.conf has anything stuff to load = nvidia=0A> [-modeset], remove that stuff.=0A=0ANever had any problems wit= h loading nvidia drivers via loader.conf,=0Akldstat shows that the driver= was loaded (and X11 would not work anyway, since my config forces the=0A= use of nvidia driver)=0ARebooting without those driver and then kldloadin= g them manually had the same issues as just=0Aloading them via loader.con= f=0A=0Aregards,=0Aemilia From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 5 19:01:40 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6710CE750F1 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 19:01:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) Received: from EUR02-AM5-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092067081.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.67.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "Microsoft IT SSL SHA2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8696695D0 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 19:01:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hotmail.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=bRHmqgkfCswKo4ukrfCJwKeYf+4hmcbwzXKon6FCaMU=; b=IwxZSnpo4M7DZvVaTlFtzVcl9mB9DUws0mMxQvTE6X/2N5h3B9vD1ZzUeof5tLqWlytMSAIqj03aW7SJR4f8h/kp5//+doHal38+H6ylmh9MIqZI9L99/fhcXgsRq3g4VH8Zfc1VWOtIthS8FuIEP+MumVvyn4ZZbFKN5tYu+iVxXJZpbberirJ2gJfweGmvjuaYDeYBg5zVDE3Lyza5Ilw9oBFAzCDbryZm6TsnQnCqnnGg5CX2tqsXKljUPIBrkUHBZdyn/K0n/qE4ov0PQgqPu9BjQ2SBBL5ERwR9g/klCaDSAXye7YxzAg6NMGZivMrCBmUjj34HyRuMOrnKow== Received: from VE1EUR02FT031.eop-EUR02.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.12.53) by VE1EUR02HT167.eop-EUR02.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.13.14) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.20.239.4; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 19:01:37 +0000 Received: from VI1PR02MB1200.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.152.12.55) by VE1EUR02FT031.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.12.135) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.20.282.5 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 19:01:37 +0000 Received: from VI1PR02MB1200.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::8d65:2f37:c373:122a]) by VI1PR02MB1200.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::8d65:2f37:c373:122a%14]) with mapi id 15.20.0282.012; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 19:01:37 +0000 From: Manish Jain To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Does wine64 actually work? 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Tue, 05 Dec 2017 11:05:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.91.84 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 11:05:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20171206053815.F85657@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20171206031714.O85657@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <20171206053815.F85657@sola.nimnet.asn.au> From: Aaron Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 11:05:13 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: android email client? To: Ian Smith Cc: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 19:05:45 -0000 Whoops on the passwords ;) Don't know how you manage your passwords, but personally I use Dashlane, which although it doesn't have any FreeBSD application (it runs as a separate, out of browser process with a browser extension to talk to the process), also has an HTTPS web portion which lets you use it that way as well, and also has an separate Android application which syncs. --Aaron On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Ian Smith wrote: > On Tue, 5 Dec 2017, Arthur Chance wrote: > > > Much sympathy. I'm not happy in hospital even if it's for one night. > > thanks Arthur to you and all who've replied. pine via JuiceSSH isn't > too bad actually, but my other a/c is non-unix. > > Will check out K9 and others tomorrow; just realised I don't have my > passwords to hand today ;-) > > cheers, Ian > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 5 19:39:35 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32924E760CE for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 19:39:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sascha.folie@safo.at) Received: from mx1.safo.at (mx1.safo.at [85.126.218.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.safo.at", Issuer "ca1.safo.at" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E7506B188 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 19:39:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sascha.folie@safo.at) Received: from mail.safo.at (mail.safo.at [10.10.1.27]) by mx1.safo.at (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPS id 3b4252bf (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO); Tue, 5 Dec 2017 20:32:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from lianli (lianli.safo.at [192.168.0.222]) by mail.safo.at (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id a92647be TLS version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 20:32:47 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 20:32:46 +0100 From: Sascha Folie To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: bourne.identity@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Does wine64 actually work? Message-Id: <20171205203246.e1a071f3c3e4f42bada7631c@safo.at> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 19:39:35 -0000 On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 19:01:37 +0000 Manish Jain wrote: > Hi, > > On a FreeBSD 10.3 amd64 box, I am writing some documentation about Wine. > > I have been using wine32 for quite a while now, and it works remarkably > well. wine64 on the contrary seems to be a minefield. > > I deleted my ~/.wine (which has 32-bit-stuff), installed the wine pkg > (which is 64-bit), and tried running a few binaries (notepad.exe and > mspaint.exe) under wine64 from Win 7 as well 10. > > All I could get was trash (or nothing at all). > > Is there anyone on this list who has had success running 7/10 binaries > under wine64 ? > > The problem seems to be not just with FreeBSD. Linux vm also produces > trash with 64-bit Windows binaries. > > -- > Thanks & Regards, > Manish Jain Hi, I'm running Factorio[1] on FreeBSD 11.1 amd64 on wine-staging-2.21 without problems. 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Tue, 5 Dec 2017 20:43:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sascha.folie@safo.at) Received: from mx1.safo.at (mx1.safo.at [85.126.218.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.safo.at", Issuer "ca1.safo.at" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F48C6E7AA for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 20:43:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sascha.folie@safo.at) Received: from mail.safo.at (mail.safo.at [10.10.1.27]) by mx1.safo.at (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPS id 350c24fd (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO); Tue, 5 Dec 2017 21:43:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from lianli (lianli.safo.at [192.168.0.222]) by mail.safo.at (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id e4510523 TLS version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 21:43:46 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 21:43:46 +0100 From: Sascha Folie To: Manish Jain Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Does wine64 actually work? Message-Id: <20171205214346.b8956c02473afecd3f0c82fb@safo.at> In-Reply-To: References: <20171205203246.e1a071f3c3e4f42bada7631c@safo.at> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 20:43:52 -0000 On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 20:09:03 +0000 Manish Jain wrote: > On 12/06/17 01:02, Sascha Folie wrote: > > On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 19:01:37 +0000 > > Manish Jain wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> On a FreeBSD 10.3 amd64 box, I am writing some documentation about Wine. > >> > >> I have been using wine32 for quite a while now, and it works remarkably > >> well. wine64 on the contrary seems to be a minefield. > >> > >> I deleted my ~/.wine (which has 32-bit-stuff), installed the wine pkg > >> (which is 64-bit), and tried running a few binaries (notepad.exe and > >> mspaint.exe) under wine64 from Win 7 as well 10. > >> > >> All I could get was trash (or nothing at all). > >> > >> Is there anyone on this list who has had success running 7/10 binaries > >> under wine64 ? > >> > >> The problem seems to be not just with FreeBSD. Linux vm also produces > >> trash with 64-bit Windows binaries. > >> > >> -- > >> Thanks & Regards, > >> Manish Jain > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm running Factorio[1] on FreeBSD 11.1 amd64 on wine-staging-2.21 > > without problems. > > > > [1] https://www.factorio.com/ > > > > Regards, > > Sascha > > I removed wine and installed wine-staging (v2.17), and then I tried > running notepad.exe from Win 7 under wine64. I get: > > err:winedevice:ServiceMain Failed to load L"win32k.sys" > > No notepad window. Does anyone have any tips for resolving this problem? > > Tx > Manish Jain I get the same error from a Win10 copy of notepad.exe. Seems like it isn't a pure 64bit application. wine/wine-devel/wine-staging on FreeBSD amd64 only support 64bit and can't run 32bit software at all. 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Tue, 5 Dec 2017 22:15:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jack@rosenth.al) Received: from po.640k.net (po.640k.net [50.116.4.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE1575448 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 22:15:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jack@rosenth.al) Received: from rosenth.al (csm-wl-dhcp-235-10.mines.edu [138.67.235.10]) by po.640k.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 039A15E7DA; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 15:15:03 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 15:15:02 -0700 From: Jack Rosenthal To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Implementing multi-layer keyboard in FreeBSD vt (was: syscons), and control keys repeat rate Message-ID: <20171205221502.GA17875@rosenth.al> References: <20171204003039.GA16209@rosenth.al> <20171205010844.93a1164c.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="envbJBWh7q8WU6mo" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20171205010844.93a1164c.freebsd@edvax.de> X-PGP-Key: "http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x924EDC10B20E73F7" User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 22:15:10 -0000 --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 05 Dec 2017 at 01:08 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:30:39 -0700, Jack Rosenthal wrote: > > I'm trying to implement a multi-layer keyboard layout for the FreeBSD > > console (sort of like the Neo layout, there's more things that change > > the keys than just shift). If you're curious, the keyboard spec is here: > >=20 > > https://github.com/jackrosenthal/threelayout > >=20 > > Here's what I've got so far: > >=20 > > https://github.com/jackrosenthal/threelayout/blob/master/freebsd/3l.kbd >=20 > Interesting effort. However, I think traditional syscons (sc) will > be abolished soon and fully replaced by NewCons (vt) due to the fact > that modern X doesn't work until you switch to vt. Maybe you can > also investigate how vt does things, and find a solution there? Uh oh... I had meant vt (had read the manual for syscons and simply assumed that was what I was using)... noob issues ;) > > 2. Any way to make the Ctrl key send Ctrl+Shift? I was thinking that I > > could make a function key for that, but cannot find any way to do > > that from the manual (kbdcontrol). >=20 > This is something to be implemented in the keyboard driver directly, > i. e., atkbd or ukbd - and re-check with the lower-level sc (or vt?) > interface to those drivers, usually there are ioctl()s doing it. I had a feeling this would be the answer... maybe some week when I have a bit more time I'll go down this rabbit hole. --=20 Jack Rosenthal No keyboard. 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To: "Manish Jain" , "Sascha Folie" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <20171205203246.e1a071f3c3e4f42bada7631c@safo.at> <20171205214346.b8956c02473afecd3f0c82fb@safo.at> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 22:24:54 -0000 Hey, if i am not mistaken wine comes with a notepad buildin (wine notepad= ) that should work i think.=0AOn another note if you run wine with nvidia= drivers you need to manually apply a patch in order for it to run.=0A(I = hope we can get wine wow64 support at some point)=0A=0Aregards,=0Aemilia From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 5 22:44:59 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76394E858E8 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 22:44:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) Received: from EUR01-DB5-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092064052.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.64.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "Microsoft IT SSL SHA2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9746767E3 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 22:44:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hotmail.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=HQ/AyA8ieXqMtKfbkXGkacYJt3QzanPg28uXYVSw7T0=; b=B1/uEMAtt9M5lyEem2Fq633f1rG1zTUdHaP5l7SGj5c4n//uycBbLzTE/vJsphhfrSUmXMS5pHcxNS35tGY3uDAtDmj2HkgBBbuTh/of5eApgFMccc9pYtqaRgVHfxkayKBWu8HKCrCxL03GYbG9ep37+96NXW4X+uD9CXrDIHQFeHuh/pnvGrMQgTBr+3WQGMF2VHa3LRkAacqvhRFZcchqhoCLb+eLe9iskB5bj8WTSy3yo8TOi5eKud0+GVNErqJTtxGuncBC1refvMc4z8EFXKTJAmMPw2XUzEei6ktGNRwpLKfAGBwJMscDWxqGKh9ULn4etPJ8NqvXWbaH9w== Received: from VE1EUR01FT035.eop-EUR01.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.2.52) by VE1EUR01HT140.eop-EUR01.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.3.54) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.20.282.5; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 22:44:50 +0000 Received: from VI1PR02MB1200.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.152.2.52) by VE1EUR01FT035.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.2.236) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.20.239.4 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 22:44:49 +0000 Received: from VI1PR02MB1200.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::8d65:2f37:c373:122a]) by VI1PR02MB1200.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::8d65:2f37:c373:122a%14]) with mapi id 15.20.0282.012; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 22:44:50 +0000 From: Manish Jain To: "emilia@disroot.org" , Sascha Folie CC: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Does wine64 actually work? Thread-Topic: Does wine64 actually work? 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To: "Manish Jain" , "Sascha Folie" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <20171205203246.e1a071f3c3e4f42bada7631c@safo.at> <20171205214346.b8956c02473afecd3f0c82fb@safo.at> <257acf12087c40a289780aa405d1f4fe@disroot.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 00:02:06 -0000 > No. I actually need the native binaries for the documentation I am=0A> = preparing. I need to supply some screenshots of wine64 running windows=0A= > applications.=0A> =0A> Can you tell me any Windows 64 binaries I can tr= y for my doc ? They need=0A> not be from Win 7 / 10.=0A=0AI have just tri= ed to run the 64bit windows version of the palemoon browser of 64bit wine= on FreeBSD and it seems to run fine, you can get it here http://www.pale= moon.org/palemoon-win64.shtml=0A=0Aregards,=0Aemilia From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 6 01:48:48 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9917E8B231 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 01:48:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ictrust@ms82.hinet.net) Received: from msr9.hinet.net (msr9.hinet.net [168.95.4.109]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668607D2D1 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 01:48:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ictrust@ms82.hinet.net) Received: from rsssttuu (61-230-129-160.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [61.230.129.160]) by msr9.hinet.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id vB5NTgRg005190 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 07:29:42 +0800 (CST) From: =?UTF-8?B?576O56aP56eR5oqA=?= Reply-To: ictrust@ms82.hinet.net To: "freebsd-questions" Subject: Trustbond Technology is API DELEVAN's Franchised Distributor in Taiwan Message-ID: <201712060729408689999@ms82.hinet.net> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 07:29:40 +0800 X-Mailer: Foxmail 6, 10, 201, 20 [cn] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrKosTGxWL7rHGB7nNt9SiDPY0CFi+/bmJxYPSY8Wk+SwBjFGtmXlJ+ RQJrxqqNl1gLtgdV3P5Z2sD4wbOLkYNDSCBKYmqvdxcjJwebgLVE48SXLCC2kICCxMef69lA SkQEzCWmTNUDCQsL+EtsedjGDmLzChhJTPuxkxHEZhFQkXj55wAriC0hoCqxt+ctC0SNoMTJ mU9YQMYwC/hK/PooD1HCKzGj/SnLBEbuWUiqZiFUgYSZBbQkzl69zg5ha0ssW/iaGcbufdjK CGErSkzpfghVEyLxatdO5gWM7KsYRXKLK3SLc4sNdU31MjLzUkv0gHgTIzCkVsSz8+9gPHvS 8BAjEwfnIUYBDkYlHl7OP16RQqyJZcWVuSBx7kOMkhxMSqK8R++qRQnxJeWnVGYkFmfEF5Xm pBYfYpTg4FES4Y3TUo8S4i0uSMwtzkyHSWlwcAhcOHH+HKMUS15+XqqSBO9ckDLBotT01Iq0 zJyS1CKI0lOM4RwtvTf+MHFMu9raxMyx4eZdIHsfmFxwC0TOWHofSD65Nu8vE8ezma8bmIXA RkqJ864BGSkAsjmjNA9uIiwdXGKUlRLmVZYHquEpSC3KzSxBlX/FKA70szBvEsgUnsy8Erjz XwF9xgT0meFaZZDPShIRUgC+UBNHagIAAA== Content-Type: text/plain; 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The sure way to kldload nvidia and nvidia-modeset > by putting this in /etc/rc.local : > > kldload nvidia > kldload nvidia-modeset This is more or less a workaround. There should be a setting called kld_list in /etc/rc.conf where you can specify kernel modules to be loaded after (!) the system has started booting into multi- user mode and successfully mounted disks. Adding kld_list="nvidia nvidia-modeset" should work, and additionally handle possible load errors in a convenient way. See /etc/defaults/rc.conf for details. Using /etc/rc.local is of course possible, but discouraged (as it is concerned a "legacy mechanism" - see "man rc.conf" for details); however, it usually works. ;-) > /boot/loader.conf must have this: > > kern.vty=vt On FreeBSD 11.1, vt should already be the default, but adding this setting will usually do no harm. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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To: "Manish Jain" , "Sascha Folie" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <20171205203246.e1a071f3c3e4f42bada7631c@safo.at> <20171205214346.b8956c02473afecd3f0c82fb@safo.at> <257acf12087c40a289780aa405d1f4fe@disroot.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 13:59:26 -0000 > So wine64 and file both think that this is actually a 386 binary ?=0A> = =0A> Thanks & Regards,=0A> Manish Jain=0AHey, that can be true, i did not= use the installer but the zip archive further down the page and unpacked= that,=0Ain the zip archive is palemoon.exe=0A(palemoon.exe: PE32+ execut= able (GUI) x86-64, for MS Windows)=0A=0Aregards,=0Aemilia From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 6 16:15:46 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BEF3E8447B for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 16:15:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B4B78020 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 16:15:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39884305 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 06 Dec 2017 22:10:55 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vB6GFeTP046307 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 23:15:42 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id vB6GFaSZ046306 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 23:15:36 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 23:15:36 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: A thin (SPV) bitcoin client? Message-ID: <20171206161536.GA46250@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 16:15:46 -0000 Dear Colleagues, Do you know of a thin (SPV) bitcoin client implementation I could use under FreeBSD? Now I've installed the net-p2p/bitcoin (bitcoin-qt) client but the complete blockchain is too heavy a burden for my desktop PC. Thank you very much in advance. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN AS43859 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 6 19:03:46 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E03DE897E2; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 19:03:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sascha.folie@safo.at) Received: from mx1.safo.at (mx1.safo.at [85.126.218.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.safo.at", Issuer "ca1.safo.at" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A80B47EDFB; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 19:03:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sascha.folie@safo.at) Received: from mail.safo.at (mail.safo.at [10.10.1.27]) by mx1.safo.at (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPS id 3ff9530a (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO); Wed, 6 Dec 2017 20:03:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail.safo.at (10.10.1.22 [10.10.1.22]) by mail.safo.at (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id b30cf553 TLS version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 20:03:39 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 20:03:39 +0100 From: Sascha Folie To: Manish Jain Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does wine64 actually work? In-Reply-To: References: <20171205203246.e1a071f3c3e4f42bada7631c@safo.at> <20171205214346.b8956c02473afecd3f0c82fb@safo.at> Message-ID: X-Sender: sascha.folie@safo.at User-Agent: safo Webmail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 19:03:46 -0000 On 05.12.2017 22:11, Manish Jain wrote: > On 12/06/17 02:13, Sascha Folie wrote: >> On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 20:09:03 +0000 >> Manish Jain wrote: >>> On 12/06/17 01:02, Sascha Folie wrote: >>>> On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 19:01:37 +0000 >>>> Manish Jain wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> On a FreeBSD 10.3 amd64 box, I am writing some documentation about >>>>> Wine. >>>>> >>>>> I have been using wine32 for quite a while now, and it works >>>>> remarkably >>>>> well. wine64 on the contrary seems to be a minefield. >>>>> >>>>> I deleted my ~/.wine (which has 32-bit-stuff), installed the wine >>>>> pkg >>>>> (which is 64-bit), and tried running a few binaries (notepad.exe >>>>> and >>>>> mspaint.exe) under wine64 from Win 7 as well 10. >>>>> >>>>> All I could get was trash (or nothing at all). >>>>> >>>>> Is there anyone on this list who has had success running 7/10 >>>>> binaries >>>>> under wine64 ? >>>>> >>>>> The problem seems to be not just with FreeBSD. Linux vm also >>>>> produces >>>>> trash with 64-bit Windows binaries. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Thanks & Regards, >>>>> Manish Jain >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I'm running Factorio[1] on FreeBSD 11.1 amd64 on wine-staging-2.21 >>>> without problems. >>>> >>>> [1] https://www.factorio.com/ >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Sascha >>> >>> I removed wine and installed wine-staging (v2.17), and then I tried >>> running notepad.exe from Win 7 under wine64. I get: >>> >>> err:winedevice:ServiceMain Failed to load L"win32k.sys" >>> >>> No notepad window. Does anyone have any tips for resolving this >>> problem? >>> >>> Tx >>> Manish Jain >> >> I get the same error from a Win10 copy of notepad.exe. Seems like it >> isn't a pure 64bit application. >> >> wine/wine-devel/wine-staging on FreeBSD amd64 only support 64bit and >> can't run 32bit software at all. >> >> Regards, >> Sascha > > Thanks for replying, Sascha. Can you please tell me one or two 64-bit > binaries from w7/w10 that would work under FreeBSD wine ? > > I was thinking notepad would be easiest, but it looks like things are > not so cool. Hi, I didn't test it yet but maybe putty.exe[1] (64bit) would be a good application. [1] https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/latest.html Regards, Sascha From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 6 19:33:09 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF14E8A091 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 19:33:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsduser@cloudzeeland.nl) Received: from ares.cloudzeeland.nl (cloudzeeland.xs4all.nl [83.161.133.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cloudzeeland.nl", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02F0A7FB58 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 19:33:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsduser@cloudzeeland.nl) Received: from ares.cloudzeeland.nl (unknown [10.10.10.32]) by ares.cloudzeeland.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E35D4FD46A6 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 20:29:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.10.10.34] (styx.zeeland24.nl [82.176.127.71]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by ares.cloudzeeland.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 544E74FD46A4 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 20:29:41 +0100 (CET) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Jos Chrispijn Subject: Upgrading from php5.6 to php7 Organization: Userland rocks! Message-ID: <44b96b99-4254-14a2-a2ef-8aa9699a3edf@cloudzeeland.nl> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 20:29:41 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: nl X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on ares.cloudzeeland.nl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 19:33:09 -0000 I need to upgrade from php 5.6 to php 7.0. Can someone tell me how I can do that best? Read a lot of solutionson the web, but all tell different from each other. Would it be better to first deinstall php 5.6 and then start all over with php7? Thanks, Jos From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 6 22:24:48 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8199BE8E359 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 22:24:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from orion@blackboxconsortium.com) Received: from vps.getseenmedia.com (vps.getseenmedia.com [184.154.14.79]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53189656FB for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 22:24:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from orion@blackboxconsortium.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=blackboxconsortium.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type :In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender: Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=WH03r8XT6OyaBhJCz5HgcgYKlGa//YBx11IkUvKW8WA=; b=I7m5riY2vzgOBmhdVRuAZbgrnL KtMhwpDo6A/ifq6AotFvKiYCDgoCxSQcy17H485tfr7YbjItcN0S5gIJbGV8Fy6DyNykWj2cEVWAb OleF2Yb2BM1Tfa9zvPpP6aQQYWdVOzrJwuAbS3MoTFWUKNkbHNGCJpYalDhhU+oADGRhISxvWr68y nybHKa1u5JDmA3f64tSzJImK6iBL1e+N7d95yFnAzwhcJwfDYcizGfOb7BVDi8F8weSAUZR82yYfd QJmcMCgHNtl7SF3aI4okE6KMyLy9YtsKz1iMzfsmwBj+YBzdp0/Qw3tNpv1yBpdDK3Si6CVU3iZ4n cUB5x07g==; Received: from 47-51-33-228.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com ([47.51.33.228]:45540 helo=homemail.leadverticals.com) by vps.getseenmedia.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1eMhIR-0000MP-27 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 06 Dec 2017 13:32:03 -0800 Subject: Re: Upgrading from php5.6 to php7 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <44b96b99-4254-14a2-a2ef-8aa9699a3edf@cloudzeeland.nl> From: Orion Tiller Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 13:31:59 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <44b96b99-4254-14a2-a2ef-8aa9699a3edf@cloudzeeland.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.getseenmedia.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - blackboxconsortium.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: vps.getseenmedia.com: authenticated_id: orion@blackboxconsortium.com X-Authenticated-Sender: vps.getseenmedia.com: orion@blackboxconsortium.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 22:24:48 -0000 > I need to upgrade from php 5.6 to php 7.0. > Can someone tell me how I can do that best? Read a lot of solutionson > the web, but all tell different from each other. > > Would it be better to first deinstall php 5.6 and then start all over > with php7? > > Thanks, Jos > > Yes doing it that way has worked for me.  $ pkg remove php56 If you are going to need the pecl-redis extension you will need to compile it for php7.0 from ports otherwise pkg will try to remove 7 and reinstall 5.6 I know this works for 7.1 but I have never done this with 7.0 but it should be the same.     //pecl-redis workaround for PHP 7.0     $ echo DEFAULT_VERSIONS+=php=7.0 >> /etc/make.conf     $ cd /usr/ports/databases/pecl-redis/     $ make install clean     $ pkg lock pecl-redis then install 7.0 and any other extensions you will need     $ pkg install php70 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 6 22:59:25 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A18DE8F295 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 22:59:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta02.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C98D66C04 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 22:59:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([70.121.63.82]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id MiereG9zxLrBHMieveStuG; Wed, 06 Dec 2017 22:59:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 16:58:59 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl Reply-To: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrading from php5.6 to php7 Message-ID: <05AFFDF0A272ABF9E01A403D@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> In-Reply-To: References: <44b96b99-4254-14a2-a2ef-8aa9699a3edf@cloudzeeland.nl> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfM0Vpvtgj+FLK7Upk7I3rHZETqIJqR/pnzvcKQjtK1ZB+pxIWHxhwKMOnO4fJUBgfVH9Ff2FRtlFXALy6UcgGzBC/XJFGX13zCGcqK2Xzip1uAj4VswZ ikwMNJHKWO2mtJDmdvUH41X8bjZS7gqI9rfx/Us4UlSrLDjwR46WiMTWt+tebKryDmstN6sIm95/dg== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 22:59:25 -0000 --On December 6, 2017 at 1:31:59 PM -0800 Orion Tiller=20 wrote: >> I need to upgrade from php 5.6 to php 7.0. >> Can someone tell me how I can do that best? Read a lot of solutionson >> the web, but all tell different from each other. >> >> Would it be better to first deinstall php 5.6 and then start all over >> with php7? >> >> Thanks, Jos >> >> > Yes doing it that way has worked for me.=C2=A0 > > $ pkg remove php56 > > If you are going to need the pecl-redis extension you will need to > compile it for php7.0 from ports otherwise pkg will try to remove 7 and > reinstall 5.6 > I know this works for 7.1 but I have never done this with 7.0 but it > should be the same. > > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 //pecl-redis workaround for PHP 7.0 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 $ echo DEFAULT_VERSIONS+=3Dphp=3D7.0 >> /etc/make.conf > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 $ cd /usr/ports/databases/pecl-redis/ > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 $ make install clean > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 $ pkg lock pecl-redis > > then install 7.0 and any other extensions you will need > > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 $ pkg install php70 I ran portmaster -o lang/php71 lang/php56. Then portmaster -R -r lang/php71 Worked fine. Make sure you aren't specifying php56 in /etc/make.conf. Paul Schmehl, Retired As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 7 00:17:34 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34088E91548 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 00:17:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@cretaforce.gr) Received: from smtp1.cretaforce.gr (smtp1.cretaforce.gr [88.99.175.118]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.cretaforce.gr", Issuer "RapidSSL SHA256 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E765369CC1 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 00:17:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@cretaforce.gr) Received: from server1.cretaforce.gr (server1.cretaforce.gr [138.201.248.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.cretaforce.gr", Issuer "RapidSSL SHA256 CA" (verified OK)) by smtp1.cretaforce.gr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EFB3E0B42 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 02:07:11 +0200 (EET) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (athedsl-128577.home.otenet.gr [85.75.77.224]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: chris@cretaforce.gr) by server1.cretaforce.gr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3934F2732F for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 02:07:11 +0200 (EET) From: Christos Chatzaras Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.1 \(3445.4.7\)) Subject: Re: Upgrading from php5.6 to php7 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 02:07:09 +0200 References: <44b96b99-4254-14a2-a2ef-8aa9699a3edf@cloudzeeland.nl> <05AFFDF0A272ABF9E01A403D@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <05AFFDF0A272ABF9E01A403D@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.4.7) X-CretaForce-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-CretaForce-MailScanner-ID: 6EFB3E0B42.ACCE5 X-CretaForce-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-CretaForce-MailScanner-From: chris@cretaforce.gr X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 00:17:34 -0000 You can pkg delete all php56* ports and then make install clean the = php71 port. Also make sure you reinstall all other ports that you need, = for example phpmyadmin, roundcube, ioncube, etc. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 7 00:55:47 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 517A3E92B2F for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 00:55:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x244.google.com (mail-wm0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA5CE6B9D7 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 00:55:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x244.google.com with SMTP id 64so10103468wme.3 for ; Wed, 06 Dec 2017 16:55:46 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8OQR6gbVYms5kj6Ho3j5SHNHkX+IcH8McHqpKGQ4bmM=; b=eZKqxffMm10tOqek8oQFJrJYGx4z6ojemi9XWMhydsdMa1Brk5O33nvPE5rES9vGLz +/25exk+Skghb+6Kh+zANfa2nl0F7NnGUfxmHJQz1LE6SAulKQn0Gd/gbzQJSPup3pTs B8H6nXsyTAb9eyX1o3YyRu6ZIp0E8IjBPp9YzahKW/qbWjZoQ2/VEnQEsor6C5PsrQBy PUdijUrjNPFkJiqAfQG5nbCik0iyMOhaf/gfXvbkyYOp8jKy28XSrY8T+P3sw4DyMQsj PmnCjXjAzMNR9F4lutruQiaMCn4YMEAC9/Z+f9AosQsCuy2D2T/c+BLAbkf3yG/oWDgW bVQg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX7GRP4bufEfKYzJI43mZdmW3dsfw6Cuik8gSTBR73KxXOTS1oMO 2kulRk89gYQt0aKzmXdrSlJ9rQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMarxKS6NoHOuxirl8rtTifrWoNxh6mVgBfKW0SVONzrtvIeuxTeQKYATA1r+RgPjh7jzVdYIw== X-Received: by 10.80.217.6 with SMTP id t6mr34467549edj.217.1512608145235; Wed, 06 Dec 2017 16:55:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([81.17.24.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e25sm1765035edc.64.2017.12.06.16.55.44 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 06 Dec 2017 16:55:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 00:55:42 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: grep problem Message-ID: <20171207005542.43a7f55f@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.1 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 00:55:47 -0000 Can anyone explain why '-' needs escaping in the following. What special meaning does it have outside of []? $ echo 'a-b' | grep 'a-b' a-b $ echo 'a-b' | grep '-b' Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERN [FILE]... Try `grep --help' for more information. $ echo 'a-b' | grep '\-b' a-b From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 7 01:09:14 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CCD2E9325C for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 01:09:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zarniwhoop@ntlworld.com) Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-5.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-5.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.69]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 025EA6C4FF for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 01:09:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zarniwhoop@ntlworld.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([81.97.232.230]) by know-smtprelay-5-imp with bizsmtp id ip811w0084yv82R01p81Qr; Thu, 07 Dec 2017 01:08:01 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [81.97.232.230] X-Authenticated-User: X-Spam: 0 X-Authority: v=2.1 cv=Ku2wojiN c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=obylDaYnIsVqxbenyIBF4Q==:117 a=obylDaYnIsVqxbenyIBF4Q==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=ocR9PWop10UA:10 a=I7TncRzG1z4wEcU5MS4A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2075341B8C; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 01:08:01 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 01:08:01 +0000 From: Ken Moffat To: RW Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: grep problem Message-ID: <20171207010801.GA10604@milliways.localdomain> References: <20171207005542.43a7f55f@gumby.homeunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20171207005542.43a7f55f@gumby.homeunix.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 01:09:14 -0000 On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 12:55:42AM +0000, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > > Can anyone explain why '-' needs escaping in the following. What > special meaning does it have outside of []? > > $ echo 'a-b' | grep 'a-b' > a-b > > $ echo 'a-b' | grep '-b' > Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERN [FILE]... > Try `grep --help' for more information. > > $ echo 'a-b' | grep '\-b' > a-b > In gnu grep, '-' indicates it should read from STDIN, I assume that FreeBSD's grep is the same. ĸen -- Truth, in front of her huge walk-in wardrobe, selected black leather boots with stiletto heels for such a barefaced truth. - Unseen Academicals From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 7 01:19:54 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78B04E93DC0 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 01:19:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x244.google.com (mail-wm0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1031D6CDCF for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 01:19:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x244.google.com with SMTP id f140so10146781wmd.2 for ; Wed, 06 Dec 2017 17:19:53 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CZFBoIusRJvPR1Zg7dZypmmMGe5HnpIDu6x2+gjl+oo=; b=IzuyYm7J/w3DlD7+/n3uddmf8+5MHkFa57XPnEmgN07N/pUq/6bHLB2SXZRVIXx98D BTStfQ4QkkYNWdClMDsH5ilJ/36wmvPb6S+eCio8My86Djj55Ceyt5d2cUnmuusMfr2z aoS5UMnd6lojc6IFzWppNJHhS/1YMmrcU+2tMNo09UNnI+a5Lz/jjvvxniF44RB4Qqa0 1JF4JMyKDnuPcW2S5wRbEK07Tu/IM1S0CFfP7NLEtLTnT7FXG0WBdo1im702qXqRgVdg gLNOqDpHCsG1WdGBQzHg6gJ5gOCQ2bRLS6DubukM39iGgwGKmo2evIHjv9BvVq87/hqa rrNw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5+2KiW/QXNsxEAiwyft20SivUyfQNn2j4u6TwrCeDrq0mwIrMg LEjqv3LtVrDrkNn6WaCyZQPaTQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMYrnfgtt3L0mIlndqmFFd9DzxM/qj7/MJJBNj2nQQgcxv8EVVUM+JSYOixBTSQQa2bs7IloBQ== X-Received: by 10.80.192.85 with SMTP id u21mr41586547edd.37.1512609592083; Wed, 06 Dec 2017 17:19:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([81.17.24.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i2sm1846278edb.31.2017.12.06.17.19.50 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 06 Dec 2017 17:19:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 01:19:48 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: grep problem Message-ID: <20171207011948.65dbfa00@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20171207005542.43a7f55f@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <20171207005542.43a7f55f@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.1 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 01:19:54 -0000 On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 00:55:42 +0000 RW wrote: > Can anyone explain why '-' needs escaping in the following. What > special meaning does it have outside of []? > > $ echo 'a-b' | grep 'a-b' > a-b > > $ echo 'a-b' | grep '-b' > Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERN [FILE]... Never mind, the shell handles the quotes, so grep sees -b as an option rather than a pattern. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 7 01:20:18 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FD5E93E64 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 01:20:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuripv@gmx.com) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4C296CEA0 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 01:20:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuripv@gmx.com) Received: from thor.xvoid.org ([62.183.127.28]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001 [212.227.17.184]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LxPuE-1f7SOy2iDq-016uev; Thu, 07 Dec 2017 02:20:14 +0100 Subject: Re: grep problem To: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20171207005542.43a7f55f@gumby.homeunix.com> From: Yuri Pankov Message-ID: <8277e864-c52a-09a4-dca9-58f83469f5fc@gmx.com> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 04:20:13 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171207005542.43a7f55f@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:f915QFj4S5o58i7dRXSHj3mA4uShiTlnWK1op6TePcMCb5h3wVa fOswRSQLRPndLc8LpemfZpbnh2zeyqF8wbslG2Nt+FbbDxa1m5k8ydwh7s0YuwoFqXnZFq7 Trz3vKzBkYHLqqxazooFWwTAUtlLudsghXc3zxY5eBjISIIEM8Nprh0cx98fkAH/QgOTMuN teKqvZQziX4OnIweDPHGw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:fQiPtWvxj/w=:TugzIYuDLxmjB9FWRmWVKK ziJKab/N3TWFmq/aWh4IpBd+QPLpgL6IbCFKKsR8sRCFMPWxESx1Wj8xTvy+/b4Fy5glX/++K irKYkgB3LJeuq/h0UcGIrtg30S6H6BM8cqMLpU4fjLhaHLB0QcsUT2HXOLCObWUElQg0xZKwi ExZHUd+/F7iIIxjzidFNJRr+ZU4MSffUyv2Lo4rWBEmwvHNTOeDqgNJeDZz6fMYVjp7c8t0wR LhfAj6xTr9smj0gLH5pJS4ot885I1GCRdb2z+2SS71+nCBy7KgYnw7uFeDNQtuYvYR44xr4k9 7MiMq0KrYhz2Yosn2AIt4NZFQMWiBGFYLUbWtyhHx+DH4ElWFR7avatCJIj7a5vFPj7/lpJb1 byPIXd6u+F11tuCUAS4vh8ecJkmRVSpYJ8hvIkbNQoa/PJIiwnsbBiZPZNEqwOqhn3Wm7F+PS 4QyHtIdgFQmP17u9LdDSUVq5rHCEaNZmBcE7tgVoP/fUns+VwDxyHoWq6UrSxzkY7ApjTjhGl eqm+WNC612iXJUSdLP0phg4SWp60hDwcOaGUDCxclgEAsGb0lHcbUXg3251yyVzwcDHLdxHKW DL4j/P/PDou95OZ3GGjx/mzw8Sx5R94o1VA8CRNOXxdCKXvhOucKXabRhXmatAIhCfm6Id+0V Mc0TX+We+d9Q8HgzbKupRFGSK0Qju5BTd4USFHvf+WqjF3ca8Ef94aRGLSf92oE8EDUzzOfHR lVXI47AdzP0y+t9Bbxegxa37zNuZPULybgx3upFmlG0h3dv+pqt5iGPyItS2CDPtB6jmxzGbx vCWa19KLb/fTIMoC+VYGjdggZRtU56RddiwZjksf+eLky2nA7KFH7wMC2YCdyqBMdDaQYOT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 01:20:18 -0000 On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 00:55:42AM +0000, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > > Can anyone explain why '-' needs escaping in the following. What > special meaning does it have outside of []? > > $ echo 'a-b' | grep 'a-b' > a-b > > $ echo 'a-b' | grep '-b' > Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERN [FILE]... > Try `grep --help' for more information. > > $ echo 'a-b' | grep '\-b' > a-b Looks like it's treated as option -b even inside the single quotes, you could use '--' to mark the end of options, i.e.: $ echo 'a-b' | grep -- -b a-b From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 7 01:26:35 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1800E94976 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 01:26:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 983516D623 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 01:26:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 72704 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2017 01:26:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (64.57.183.53) by gal.iecc.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2017 01:26:34 -0000 Date: 7 Dec 2017 01:26:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20171207012612.41249.qmail@ary.lan> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: zarniwhoop@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: grep problem In-Reply-To: <20171207010801.GA10604@milliways.localdomain> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 01:26:36 -0000 In article <20171207010801.GA10604@milliways.localdomain> you write: >> $ echo 'a-b' | grep '-b' >> Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERN [FILE]... >> Try `grep --help' for more information. >> >> $ echo 'a-b' | grep '\-b' >> a-b >In gnu grep, '-' indicates it should read from STDIN, I assume that >FreeBSD's grep is the same. Close, but not quite. A quick peek at the grep man page (you did look at the man page, didn't you?) reveals that -b is a flag telling what byte offset to start at. A more normal way to prevent your pattern from being treated as a flag is to tell it that it's a pattern: $ echo a-b | grep -e -b R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 7 01:49:19 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279AAE95B6A for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 01:49:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vbotka@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr0-x242.google.com (mail-wr0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39EC16E7B5 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 01:49:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vbotka@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr0-x242.google.com with SMTP id x49so5798242wrb.13 for ; Wed, 06 Dec 2017 17:49:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :organization:mime-version; bh=G8nIy6u7iEbBLOb+siEQzg5GUPjNZ2py27+Ve7teziU=; b=OSdBvO9kOKTsMRYlmg1K3u+1/mT79fo0cSzbCsvyf7kKWSed0QgTUy4AI01iPAnno1 n6yYCHOLG6M4EJfT4FR6SAKUKzAxn9kyCv5gUE9g0hQjrCx6ByBDSnezDhyaDzXGRBFM yiaXsJdBwua8SNVKc5wSCDJdBomAfE9tQ2tRvzIPDR7NWy/VPA/QRitPjYUGX3WIuCk7 X//DiA403b9OFmgD213m2o2OHd/LA0B73VDlh56pV7hKJ8a/yNkJagQpATjVchwOw5X2 Ig1b9Yeur3F4iZQrH6hDo/e/WD8HR9XvJlof0+dft/TV8tR7GFFGUeY7v6PPnuPe9wgp R17w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:organization:mime-version; bh=G8nIy6u7iEbBLOb+siEQzg5GUPjNZ2py27+Ve7teziU=; b=fvSn/qzjehI6x20/AQhF0nH95zzNv08npDDbGo4K7Llq8OFf6d/ZiffTJf17gtkHRS p0kWT7KxaEyroEHSIqFhuCt7GwIojvqpHqPIgQNPcE0kEPpOqV38FaI+2tLIVolCvsZV tLBlm4TgsBXO5U4qT2mnuYo1bHenDqWbUChxivdBi6F1IsB2M+fwgUsRoAGoqvwCLfKI oCj7v91KxHhyUYQs4M8ccEKWZABDdTutSeHH1p9JUf+vwKk6VoHu8BmCd3GNTHmtfbwB Me2JPYkLOJQzk6a4E6n/uz6vXazDF5G3OzLRa4KqqCXBpxdC44bhwkT6ueoC+cgJxcXj zHKg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5wilSehOk5RjIZdSLgNRl6TehqX6PqVr0nLB9Fqrb1J7otkgim bWQHAt/DdbObLVstdB/OUCM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZHIEQbd6Sotsm59qxF6MS5+VSMqa6AZEGK06cr+vT4OAmgMeGmcUqk1bChld393S1DW7LKXw== X-Received: by 10.223.130.177 with SMTP id 46mr23395156wrc.176.1512611354653; Wed, 06 Dec 2017 17:49:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from planb.netng.org (ip-89-103-146-20.net.upcbroadband.cz. [89.103.146.20]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r14sm5101857wrb.43.2017.12.06.17.49.13 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 06 Dec 2017 17:49:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 02:49:08 +0100 From: Vladimir Botka To: Yuri Pankov Cc: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: grep problem Message-ID: <20171207024717.15bf2287@planb.netng.org> In-Reply-To: <8277e864-c52a-09a4-dca9-58f83469f5fc@gmx.com> References: <20171207005542.43a7f55f@gumby.homeunix.com> <8277e864-c52a-09a4-dca9-58f83469f5fc@gmx.com> Organization: na X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.0-dirty (GTK+ 2.24.31; i686-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/aJIED3a+kxShsP33LManyQx"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 01:49:19 -0000 --Sig_/aJIED3a+kxShsP33LManyQx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > $ echo 'a-b' | grep '\-b' > > a-b =20 > Looks like it's treated as option -b even inside the single quotes, you=20 > could use '--' to mark the end of options, i.e.: > $ echo 'a-b' | grep -- -b > a-b FWIW. Still the question remains what makes escaped -b a pattern. It'd be necessary to learn about getopt_long which is used to parse the arguments to understand it, I think. https://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Getopt-Long-Options.html -vlado --Sig_/aJIED3a+kxShsP33LManyQx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJaKJ4UAAoJEJDRmRKO1E8BGGYH/3H2bHDaReQG264p7WkLAHHr OpZlypEwlQ4ruBLpT5rEv+I8e9phUyJx9SsCSVThY5hfu+WrmM0LS9vd4Q/0qiZo g7rxp+IbTDQn33s3GYKL+kTdHhiKqrOfQTl+BaD2VZskoWVkXyDE4kbNMkgsRnfx t+fTlkL5RLrrJsx5JjMoRg6kqRWI9h0Q+L6tdC1vlY5jQq0sIRsx0fWjZEMeac44 pRbJAkm0Z9XB6JbfxcJrnUFmmhOyI0gK8gYWTHIO0P1/JAzwzqXDMUf/2ya0rcwo iHm8lYhaEtyqMtLNHCCEyZZcwD4rH0U/JM8qNukEqXFZTtywVdEVFvfb60bsswU= =/5XG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/aJIED3a+kxShsP33LManyQx-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 7 03:18:20 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC12CE99EE8 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 03:18:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=ahgx=dd=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [71.177.216.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E6572AC8 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 03:18:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=ahgx=dd=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.251] (mini [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3ysgT50jyQz2fjVG for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 19:10:01 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Subject: Error Message at end of boot Message-Id: <1F79D9DB-E67E-4446-A81B-C9A3ADE4C46B@mail.sermon-archive.info> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 19:10:00 -0800 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Questions" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 03:18:21 -0000 I have one system (11.1 generic installed via freebsd-update) that = gives the message: Dec 6 18:31:24 Backup kernel: FAILED as the last message at the end of the boot process. Messages from ports = starting all precede it. Digging through the kernel source, the only = places I find such a message are: ./geom/raid/g_raid.c: return ("FAILED"); ./geom/raid/g_raid.c: return ("FAILED"); ./geom/raid/g_raid.c: return ("FAILED"); This seems a bit odd as there is no raid hardware or software being used = on this system. The system completes the boot process, although it = seems quite slow to do so, and then runs just fine. I don't see any = issues with the system. Everything seems to work. Any ideas how to = figure out what is causing that error message? -- Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 7 05:56:21 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B19E9E0E1 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 05:56:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vikashb@where-ever.za.net) Received: from mailbox.is.co.za (mailbox.is.co.za [196.35.45.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28FB77B50 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 05:56:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vikashb@where-ever.za.net) X-AuthUser: vikashb@where-ever.za.net Received: from laptop.where-ever.za.net ([196.35.45.20]:53548) by mailbox.is.co.za with [XMail 1.22 ESMTP Server] id for from ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 07:56:11 +0200 Subject: Fwd: dell latitude 5580 touchpad psm0: unable to allocate IRQ References: <93a08255-efc5-bda5-bd6b-63ff116f9090@where-ever.za.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Vikash Badal X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <93a08255-efc5-bda5-bd6b-63ff116f9090@where-ever.za.net> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 07:56:08 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <93a08255-efc5-bda5-bd6b-63ff116f9090@where-ever.za.net> Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 05:56:21 -0000 Can someone please advise how i can get the touch pad to work I tried adding hw.psm.synaptics_support="1" to /boot/loader.conf, no success OSVERSION: 1200054 SVN Revision: 326616 # sysctl hw.psm hw.psm.elantech_support: 0 hw.psm.trackpoint_support: 0 hw.psm.synaptics_support: 1 hw.psm.tap_timeout: 125000 hw.psm.tap_threshold: 25 hw.psm.tap_enabled: -1 dmidecode info: System Information         Manufacturer: Dell Inc.         Product Name: Latitude 5580         Version: Not Specified         Serial Number: 6DJ1BH2         Wake-up Type: Power Switch         SKU Number: 07A8         Family: Latitude Handle 0x002E, DMI type 21, 7 bytes Built-in Pointing Device         Type: Touch Pad         Interface: Bus Mouse         Buttons: 2 # pciconf -vlb hostb0@pci0:0:0:0:    class=0x060000 card=0x07a81028 chip=0x59048086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00     vendor     = 'Intel Corporation'     device     = 'Xeon E3-1200 v6/7th Gen Core Processor Host Bridge/DRAM Registers'     class      = bridge     subclass   = HOST-PCI vgapci0@pci0:0:2:0:    class=0x030000 card=0x07a81028 chip=0x59168086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00     vendor     = 'Intel Corporation'     device     = 'HD Graphics 620'     class      = display     subclass   = VGA     bar   [10] = type Memory, range 64, base 0xee000000, size 16777216, enabled     bar   [18] = type Prefetchable Memory, range 64, base 0xd0000000, size 268435456, enabled     bar   [20] = type I/O Port, range 32, base 0xf000, size 64, enabled none0@pci0:0:4:0:    class=0x118000 card=0x07a81028 chip=0x19038086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00     vendor     = 'Intel Corporation'     device     = 'Xeon E3-1200 v5/E3-1500 v5/6th Gen Core Processor Thermal Subsystem'     class      = dasp     bar   [10] = type Memory, range 64, base 0xef240000, size 32768, enabled xhci0@pci0:0:20:0:    class=0x0c0330 card=0x07a81028 chip=0x9d2f8086 rev=0x21 hdr=0x00     vendor     = 'Intel Corporation'     device     = 'Sunrise Point-LP USB 3.0 xHCI Controller'     class      = serial bus     subclass   = USB     bar   [10] = type Memory, range 64, base 0xef230000, size 65536, enabled none1@pci0:0:20:2:    class=0x118000 card=0x07a81028 chip=0x9d318086 rev=0x21 hdr=0x00     vendor     = 'Intel Corporation'     device     = 'Sunrise Point-LP Thermal subsystem'     class      = dasp     bar   [10] = type Memory, range 64, base 0xef259000, size 4096, enabled none2@pci0:0:21:0:    class=0x118000 card=0x07a81028 chip=0x9d608086 rev=0x21 hdr=0x00     vendor     = 'Intel Corporation'     device     = 'Sunrise Point-LP Serial IO I2C Controller'     class      = dasp     bar   [10] = type Memory, range 64, base 0xef258000, size 4096, enabled none3@pci0:0:21:1:    class=0x118000 card=0x07a81028 chip=0x9d618086 rev=0x21 hdr=0x00     vendor     = 'Intel Corporation'     device     = 'Sunrise Point-LP Serial IO I2C Controller'     class      = dasp     bar   [10] = type Memory, range 64, base 0xef257000, size 4096, enabled none4@pci0:0:22:0:    class=0x078000 card=0x07a81028 chip=0x9d3a8086 rev=0x21 hdr=0x00     vendor     = 'Intel Corporation'     device     = 'Sunrise Point-LP CSME HECI'     class      = simple comms     bar   [10] = type Memory, range 64, base 0xef256000, size 4096, enabled none5@pci0:0:22:3:    class=0x070002 card=0x07a81028 chip=0x9d3d8086 rev=0x21 hdr=0x00     vendor     = 'Intel Corporation'     class      = simple comms     subclass   = UART     bar   [10] = type I/O Port, range 32, base 0xf0a0, size 8, enabled     bar   [14] = type Memory, range 32, base 0xef255000, size 4096, enabled ahci0@pci0:0:23:0:    class=0x010601 card=0x07a81028 chip=0x9d038086 rev=0x21 hdr=0x00     vendor     = 'Intel Corporation'     device     = 'Sunrise Point-LP SATA Controller [AHCI mode]'     class      = mass storage     subclass   = SATA     bar   [10] = type Memory, range 32, base 0xef250000, size 8192, enabled     bar   [14] = type Memory, range 32, base 0xef254000, size 256, enabled     bar   [18] = type I/O Port, range 32, base 0xf090, size 8, enabled     bar   [1c] = type I/O Port, range 32, base 0xf080, size 4, enabled     bar   [20] = type I/O Port, range 32, base 0xf060, size 32, enabled     bar   [24] = type Memory, range 32, base 0xef253000, size 2048, enabled pcib1@pci0:0:28:0:    class=0x060400 card=0x07a81028 chip=0x9d108086 rev=0xf1 hdr=0x01     vendor     = 'Intel Corporation'     device     = 'Sunrise Point-LP PCI Express Root Port'     class      = bridge     subclass   = PCI-PCI pcib2@pci0:0:28:2:    class=0x060400 card=0x07a81028 chip=0x9d128086 rev=0xf1 hdr=0x01     vendor     = 'Intel Corporation'     device     = 'Sunrise Point-LP PCI Express Root Port'     class      = bridge     subclass   = PCI-PCI isab0@pci0:0:31:0:    class=0x060100 card=0x07a81028 chip=0x9d4e8086 rev=0x21 hdr=0x00     vendor     = 'Intel Corporation'     class      = bridge     subclass   = PCI-ISA none6@pci0:0:31:2:    class=0x058000 card=0x07a81028 chip=0x9d218086 rev=0x21 hdr=0x00     vendor     = 'Intel Corporation'     device     = 'Sunrise Point-LP PMC'     class      = memory     bar   [10] = type Memory, range 32, base 0xef24c000, size 16384, enabled hdac0@pci0:0:31:3:    class=0x040300 card=0x07a81028 chip=0x9d718086 rev=0x21 hdr=0x00     vendor     = 'Intel Corporation'     device     = 'Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio'     class      = multimedia     subclass   = HDA     bar   [10] = type Memory, range 64, base 0xef248000, size 16384, enabled     bar   [20] = type Memory, range 64, base 0xef220000, size 65536, enabled none7@pci0:0:31:4:    class=0x0c0500 card=0x07a81028 chip=0x9d238086 rev=0x21 hdr=0x00     vendor     = 'Intel Corporation'     device     = 'Sunrise Point-LP SMBus'     class      = serial bus     subclass   = SMBus     bar   [10] = type Memory, range 64, base 0xef252000, size 256, enabled     bar   [20] = type I/O Port, range 32, base 0xf040, size 32, enabled em0@pci0:0:31:6:    class=0x020000 card=0x07a81028 chip=0x15d78086 rev=0x21 hdr=0x00     vendor     = 'Intel Corporation'     device     = 'Ethernet Connection (4) I219-LM'     class      = network     subclass   = ethernet     bar   [10] = type Memory, range 32, base 0xef200000, size 131072, enabled none8@pci0:1:0:0:    class=0xff0000 card=0x07a81028 chip=0x525a10ec rev=0x01 hdr=0x00     vendor     = 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.'     device     = 'RTS525A PCI Express Card Reader'     bar   [14] = type Memory, range 32, base 0xef100000, size 4096, enabled none9@pci0:2:0:0:    class=0x028000 card=0x00508086 chip=0x24fd8086 rev=0x78 hdr=0x00     vendor     = 'Intel Corporation'     device     = 'Wireless 8265 / 8275'     class      = network     bar   [10] = type Memory, range 64, base 0xef000000, size 8192, enabled # devinfo -v nexus0   cryptosoft0   apic0   ram0   aesni0   acpi0     cpu0 pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_PR_.CPU0       acpi_perf0       est0       p4tcc0       cpufreq0     cpu1 pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_PR_.CPU1       acpi_perf1       est1       p4tcc1       cpufreq1     cpu2 pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_PR_.CPU2       acpi_perf2       est2       p4tcc2       cpufreq2     cpu3 pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_PR_.CPU3       acpi_perf3       est3       p4tcc3       cpufreq3     unknown pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_PR_.CPU4     unknown pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_PR_.CPU5     unknown pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_PR_.CPU6     unknown pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_PR_.CPU7     pcib0 pnpinfo _HID=PNP0A08 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0       pci0         hostb0 pnpinfo vendor=0x8086 device=0x5904 subvendor=0x1028 subdevice=0x07a8 class=0x060000 at slot=0 function=0 dbsf=pci0:0:0:0         vgapci0 pnpinfo vendor=0x8086 device=0x5916 subvendor=0x1028 subdevice=0x07a8 class=0x030000 at slot=2 function=0 dbsf=pci0:0:2:0 handle=\_SB_.PCI0.GFX0           drm0           drmn0         unknown pnpinfo vendor=0x8086 device=0x1903 subvendor=0x1028 subdevice=0x07a8 class=0x118000 at slot=4 function=0 dbsf=pci0:0:4:0 handle=\_SB_.PCI0.B0D4         xhci0 pnpinfo vendor=0x8086 device=0x9d2f subvendor=0x1028 subdevice=0x07a8 class=0x0c0330 at slot=20 function=0 dbsf=pci0:0:20:0 handle=\_SB_.PCI0.XHC_           usbus0             uhub0         unknown pnpinfo vendor=0x8086 device=0x9d31 subvendor=0x1028 subdevice=0x07a8 class=0x118000 at slot=20 function=2 dbsf=pci0:0:20:2         unknown pnpinfo vendor=0x8086 device=0x9d60 subvendor=0x1028 subdevice=0x07a8 class=0x118000 at slot=21 function=0 dbsf=pci0:0:21:0 handle=\_SB_.PCI0.I2C0         unknown pnpinfo vendor=0x8086 device=0x9d61 subvendor=0x1028 subdevice=0x07a8 class=0x118000 at slot=21 function=1 dbsf=pci0:0:21:1 handle=\_SB_.PCI0.I2C1         unknown pnpinfo vendor=0x8086 device=0x9d3a subvendor=0x1028 subdevice=0x07a8 class=0x078000 at slot=22 function=0 dbsf=pci0:0:22:0 handle=\_SB_.PCI0.HECI         unknown pnpinfo vendor=0x8086 device=0x9d3d subvendor=0x1028 subdevice=0x07a8 class=0x070002 at slot=22 function=3 dbsf=pci0:0:22:3         ahci0 pnpinfo vendor=0x8086 device=0x9d03 subvendor=0x1028 subdevice=0x07a8 class=0x010601 at slot=23 function=0 dbsf=pci0:0:23:0 handle=\_SB_.PCI0.SAT0           ahcich0 at channel=0           ahcich1 at channel=1 (disabled)           ahcich2 at channel=2         pcib1 pnpinfo vendor=0x8086 device=0x9d10 subvendor=0x1028 subdevice=0x07a8 class=0x060400 at slot=28 function=0 dbsf=pci0:0:28:0 handle=\_SB_.PCI0.RP01           pci1             unknown pnpinfo vendor=0x10ec device=0x525a subvendor=0x1028 subdevice=0x07a8 class=0xff0000 at slot=0 function=0 dbsf=pci0:1:0:0 handle=\_SB_.PCI0.RP01.PXSX         pcib2 pnpinfo vendor=0x8086 device=0x9d12 subvendor=0x1028 subdevice=0x07a8 class=0x060400 at slot=28 function=2 dbsf=pci0:0:28:2 handle=\_SB_.PCI0.RP03           pci2             unknown pnpinfo vendor=0x8086 device=0x24fd subvendor=0x8086 subdevice=0x0050 class=0x028000 at slot=0 function=0 dbsf=pci0:2:0:0 handle=\_SB_.PCI0.RP03.PXSX         isab0 pnpinfo vendor=0x8086 device=0x9d4e subvendor=0x1028 subdevice=0x07a8 class=0x060100 at slot=31 function=0 dbsf=pci0:0:31:0 handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB           isa0             sc0             vga0             orm0             fdc0             ppc0             uart0             uart1         unknown pnpinfo vendor=0x8086 device=0x9d21 subvendor=0x1028 subdevice=0x07a8 class=0x058000 at slot=31 function=2 dbsf=pci0:0:31:2 handle=\_SB_.PCI0.PPMC         hdac0 pnpinfo vendor=0x8086 device=0x9d71 subvendor=0x1028 subdevice=0x07a8 class=0x040300 at slot=31 function=3 dbsf=pci0:0:31:3 handle=\_SB_.PCI0.HDAS           hdacc0 pnpinfo vendor=0x10ec device=0x0256 revision=0x00 stepping=0x02 at cad=0             hdaa0 pnpinfo type=0x01 subsystem=0x102807a8 at nid=1               pcm0 at nid=20,18               pcm1 at nid=33           hdacc1 pnpinfo vendor=0x8086 device=0x280b revision=0x00 stepping=0x00 at cad=2             hdaa1 pnpinfo type=0x01 subsystem=0x80860101 at nid=1               pcm2 at nid=3         unknown pnpinfo vendor=0x8086 device=0x9d23 subvendor=0x1028 subdevice=0x07a8 class=0x0c0500 at slot=31 function=4 dbsf=pci0:0:31:4 handle=\_SB_.PCI0.SBUS         em0 pnpinfo vendor=0x8086 device=0x15d7 subvendor=0x1028 subdevice=0x07a8 class=0x020000 at slot=31 function=6 dbsf=pci0:0:31:6 handle=\_SB_.PCI0.GLAN     unknown pnpinfo _HID=INT0800 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.FWHD     hpet0 pnpinfo _HID=PNP0103 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.HPET     unknown pnpinfo _HID=PNP0000 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.IPIC     unknown pnpinfo _HID=PNP0C04 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.MATH (disabled)     acpi_sysresource0 pnpinfo _HID=PNP0C02 _UID=2 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.LDRC     unknown pnpinfo _HID=PNP0C02 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.LDR2 (disabled)     atrtc0 pnpinfo _HID=PNP0B00 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.RTC_     attimer0 pnpinfo _HID=PNP0100 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.TIMR     acpi_sysresource1 pnpinfo _HID=INT3F0D _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.CWDT     acpi_ec0 pnpinfo _HID=PNP0C09 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.ECDV     unknown pnpinfo _HID=INT3403 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.ECDV.TSKN     unknown pnpinfo _HID=INT3403 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.ECDV.NGFF     unknown pnpinfo _HID=INT3403 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.ECDV.TVGA (disabled)     unknown pnpinfo _HID=PNP0C09 _UID=1 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.H_EC (disabled)     atkbdc0 pnpinfo _HID=DLLK07A8 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.PS2K       atkbd0       psm0     unknown pnpinfo _HID=DLL07A8 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.PS2M (disabled)     unknown pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.RP09.PXSX.WRST     unknown pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.RP10.PXSX.WRST     unknown pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.RP11.PXSX.WRST     unknown pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.RP12.PXSX.WRST     unknown pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.RP13.PXSX.WRST     unknown pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.RP01.PXSX.WRST     unknown pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.RP02.PXSX.WRST     unknown pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.RP03.PXSX.WRST     unknown pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.RP04.PXSX.WRST     unknown pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.RP05.PXSX.WRST     unknown pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.RP06.PXSX.WRST     unknown pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.RP07.PXSX.WRST     unknown pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.RP08.PXSX.WRST     unknown pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.RP17.PXSX.WRST     unknown pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.RP18.PXSX.WRST     unknown pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.RP19.PXSX.WRST     unknown pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.RP20.PXSX.WRST     unknown pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.RP14.PXSX.WRST     unknown pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.RP15.PXSX.WRST     unknown pnpinfo _HID=none _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.RP16.PXSX.WRST     acpi_sysresource2 pnpinfo _HID=PNP0C02 _UID=1 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.PDRC     unknown pnpinfo _HID=PNP0C02 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.PRRE (disabled)     acpi_sysresource3 pnpinfo _HID=PNP0C02 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.IOTR     unknown pnpinfo _HID=INT343E _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.CIO2 (disabled)     unknown pnpinfo _HID=INT343D _UID=1 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.TERM (disabled)     unknown pnpinfo _HID=PNP0C02 _UID=5 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.SIRC (disabled)     unknown pnpinfo _HID=INT344B _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.GPI0 (disabled)     unknown pnpinfo _HID=XXXX0000 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.I2C0.TPD0 (disabled)     unknown pnpinfo _HID=INT0000 _UID=1 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.I2C0.HDAC (disabled)     unknown pnpinfo _HID=INT3515 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.I2C0.UCM1 (disabled)     unknown pnpinfo _HID=INT3515 _UID=1 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.I2C0.UCM2 (disabled)     unknown pnpinfo _HID=DLL07A8 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.I2C1.TPD1     unknown pnpinfo _HID=XXXX0000 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.I2C1.TPL1 (disabled)     unknown pnpinfo _HID=IMPJ0003 _UID=1 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.I2C1.IMP3 (disabled)     unknown pnpinfo _HID=INT3444 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.I2C2 (disabled)     unknown pnpinfo _HID=INT3445 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.I2C3 (disabled)     unknown pnpinfo _HID=INT3446 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.I2C4 (disabled)     unknown pnpinfo _HID=INT3447 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.I2C5 (disabled)     unknown pnpinfo _HID=INT3440 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.SPI0 (disabled)     unknown pnpinfo _HID=INT3441 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.SPI1 (disabled)     unknown pnpinfo _HID=FPNT_DIS _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.SPI1.FPNT (disabled)     unknown pnpinfo _HID=INT3448 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.UA00 (disabled)     unknown pnpinfo _HID=INT33E1 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.UA00.BTH0 (disabled)     unknown pnpinfo _HID=INT3449 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.UA01 (disabled)     unknown pnpinfo _HID=INT344A _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.UA02 (disabled)     unknown pnpinfo _HID=INT33A2 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.GNSS (disabled)     unknown pnpinfo _HID=SMO8810 _UID=1 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.A_CC     unknown pnpinfo _HID=INT3403 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PCI0.TMEM     unknown pnpinfo _HID=ACPI000C _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.PAGD (disabled)     pci_link0 pnpinfo _HID=PNP0C0F _UID=1 at handle=\_SB_.LNKA     pci_link1 pnpinfo _HID=PNP0C0F _UID=2 at handle=\_SB_.LNKB     pci_link2 pnpinfo _HID=PNP0C0F _UID=3 at handle=\_SB_.LNKC     pci_link3 pnpinfo _HID=PNP0C0F _UID=4 at handle=\_SB_.LNKD     pci_link4 pnpinfo _HID=PNP0C0F _UID=5 at handle=\_SB_.LNKE     pci_link5 pnpinfo _HID=PNP0C0F _UID=6 at handle=\_SB_.LNKF     pci_link6 pnpinfo _HID=PNP0C0F _UID=7 at handle=\_SB_.LNKG     pci_link7 pnpinfo _HID=PNP0C0F _UID=8 at handle=\_SB_.LNKH     unknown pnpinfo _HID=INT0E0C _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.EPC_ (disabled)     unknown pnpinfo _HID=INT3420 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.BTKL (disabled)     unknown pnpinfo _HID=PNP0C14 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.WTBT     unknown pnpinfo _HID=INT33A1 _UID=1 at handle=\_SB_.PEPD     unknown pnpinfo _HID=MSFT0101 _UID=1 at handle=\_SB_.TPM_     unknown pnpinfo _HID=PNP0C14 _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.AMW0     acpi_lid0 pnpinfo _HID=PNP0C0D _UID=0 at handle=\_SB_.LID0     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owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 7 05:57:21 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD1AE9E214 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 05:57:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qt0-x232.google.com (mail-qt0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 927EF77C5E for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 05:57:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qt0-x232.google.com with SMTP id a16so14930956qtj.3 for ; Wed, 06 Dec 2017 21:57:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; 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freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 05:57:21 -0000 On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 2:49 AM, Vladimir Botka wrote: > > > $ echo 'a-b' | grep '\-b' > > > a-b > > > Looks like it's treated as option -b even inside the single quotes, you > > could use '--' to mark the end of options, i.e.: > > $ echo 'a-b' | grep -- -b > > a-b > > FWIW. Still the question remains what makes escaped -b a pattern. It'd > be necessary to learn about getopt_long which is used to parse the > arguments to understand it, I think. > I think it's much more straight-forward: single quotes cause \-b to be passed to grep, grep sees the "\" as escape and therefore *doesn't* read '-' as introducing an option, ergo -b must be a pattern to match. cheers Michael -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 7 07:34:07 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B45E9F898 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 07:34:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ashley@mybannersbillboard.com) Received: from a2nlsmtp01-04.prod.iad2.secureserver.net (a2nlsmtp01-04.prod.iad2.secureserver.net [198.71.225.38]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47E147A390 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 07:34:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ashley@mybannersbillboard.com) Received: from a2plcpnl0950.prod.iad2.secureserver.net ([107.180.121.68]) by : HOSTING RELAY : with SMTP id MqfzeAWckgsKFMqfzed0mb; Thu, 07 Dec 2017 00:32:59 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mybannersbillboard.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type :MIME-Version:Message-ID:Subject:Reply-To:From:To:Date:Sender:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=8uLl7mqxP5qlf9himzRlvjfsYM4lo5ysrYLyO4IDGFE=; b=cf6hSqmE2yyFu4zcCjaUqEuYal L357WLsLGNezehCXZ/S/7dK0kwcu3eGorcTbLOZ914YIeBIOGL3sO//VRmxpCGt7LCaIWNdhg68nD qe6ne7MzS1NaB2u0ALGYO+6jvPv7UsZ0ssf8ZBNeh9K6jd15YorXpF3wexoE9KoCfIRI5Yc2BgTBq QxjX/6fdout7gBkQos8dtLWsQZLFPm9kzWhPxJR0SGPyOBegpl6D/2gfC7Z1wrUt5MmuCSgA2CeVp W+27JTK6UcH9wNMMtpvqJnwJRpReOo7MRr1XEl4cBHYUbGq6pPLrhP2AJw0yh7Ehdxa5kfv2HEAGj v0Fy6tIQ==; Received: from [127.0.0.1] (port=58383 helo=mybannersbillboard.com) by a2plcpnl0950.prod.iad2.secureserver.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.88) (envelope-from ) id 1eMqfz-0004pp-Mi for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2017 00:32:59 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 07:32:54 +0000 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" From: "ashley@mybannersbillboard.com" Reply-To: "ashley@mybannersbillboard.com" Subject: Boost your website traffic Message-ID: <714a92cffac8e7f3a7d0ff6d9118b508@mybannersbillboard.com> X-Mailer: PHPMailer 5.2.22 (https://github.com/PHPMailer/PHPMailer) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - a2plcpnl0950.prod.iad2.secureserver.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - mybannersbillboard.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: a2plcpnl0950.prod.iad2.secureserver.net: authenticated_id: ashley@mybannersbillboard.com X-Authenticated-Sender: a2plcpnl0950.prod.iad2.secureserver.net: ashley@mybannersbillboard.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfBG+CiFBnfRTIIy6hWrOl4QrI7EhpwF4H0h2/1SOUXQ7Xu9/D2jLKGb1Sj5SIYlu2D4mbm/9C0Gb1ALJeIYeaM1KD/o79f0gaTaRAjEm/vaZEx8HRMvM JUj1XKI09b+Qgo7hnhCUf1FQpAlgaogeAunFYsB8iGRaN1dXoT0/hrXky7+PMuoGfD4beP9E5Mkg+Bcka/ych+o7HHJtl/5QdNnJwwAja1mj/QEYd0bQKW4M Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 07:34:07 -0000 Dear Freebsd-questions, To get a web traffic to any website is the easiest thing that can happen. 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All The Best, Ashley Greene From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 7 09:01:30 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E963E80CAB for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 09:01:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED22D7D486 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 09:01:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39884894 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2017 14:56:40 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vB791ORn066344 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 16:01:26 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id vB791LTF066343 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 16:01:21 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 16:01:21 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A thin (SPV) bitcoin client? Message-ID: <20171207090120.GA66241@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20171206161536.GA46250@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20171206161536.GA46250@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 09:01:30 -0000 Victor Sudakov wrote: > > Do you know of a thin (SPV) bitcoin client implementation I could use > under FreeBSD? > > Now I've installed the net-p2p/bitcoin (bitcoin-qt) client but the > complete blockchain is too heavy a burden for my desktop PC. > At the very least, a command line utility to generate bitcoin addresses (and corresponding private keys)? -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN AS43859 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 7 09:33:55 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA26E81826 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 09:33:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x232.google.com (mail-it0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D66397E9DC for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 09:33:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x232.google.com with SMTP id d16so12987764itj.1 for ; Thu, 07 Dec 2017 01:33:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-transfer-encoding; bh=68zXG2VZGxlEzdfWbm/+hn4qZjNP9bORFzNKyKHY8oY=; b=tRkfLMuDT4a5e/JcZMtQ1ENr7WgdlwmKdJRgkO5M+wDvf0NyFXx8IXOhtGxYBwolsm O1vlcSJLlB/jIdv9XKJmqihN335WtTgQF8pra+BtWThHNO0A6oJeeCdCorjsGjbiufuK Rgid/JoDblhsFQJspmNauiuVgNXrWnAYBRtY/fPYlhwjvuoACV/jfUhMVhaPU1C6lNcX ay0pRewC7+80aUv+9/CGoHxxbodjFtCeRplBA4O5xnkwoKGdkMuP+JdfJOOoTru46zXX Yf58PR3pMCzcuhFtKR8YtWgEgcaN7wnU+U+gWIvKnvhu1LcVn/PhndeR7ibWyB1i7Pp8 lrLA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-transfer-encoding; bh=68zXG2VZGxlEzdfWbm/+hn4qZjNP9bORFzNKyKHY8oY=; b=EAiukqqoRM2FJjMUejm+uQqES+lNXQ//Bcq44lmITmxXmYBAuYowQIj5KxWT99hAy8 Joex+1Olc1SlsEOgMp4kxdNx3x1JAGJtMhPwTK9Dm+H0c/S3jfxEEboXRuaXWDtPmYdH ByO2udBc8ooLJDBh/XTGuOc3aShYYUhfB9UMD0wGDCIJ+w+KBEMBWahnZCmfElxAAs/3 WmcXi6kn8uKWlTv+sD78cAK0b2RgPMdO6fmf9jcqeBAlL/9uX2WJgTIy6aT6cF9IK2OA wMmkcHHtDV7FvKjadVB9Vn/zIa4IKmGcPekq+FcJ51rkXSltqrqffiFtUcehajZUMif1 0JaQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLjnUYNScOqN0PEpVSk0DRQbQXxPFG/eK0dpugIcjPwH68a1J9Q SGCBV770VsPjGm8byoIwONRtlA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMb+NlHX+P0A2OXcRqiLGGufBuyheaKWUH7mwh1/d00Zh49apxm43XHiPWT1gDEDIsoTA7b8qQ== X-Received: by 10.36.46.1 with SMTP id i1mr571395ita.62.1512639234085; Thu, 07 Dec 2017 01:33:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.60.0.2] (cpe-65-25-48-31.neo.res.rr.com. [65.25.48.31]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id o200sm2561141itg.10.2017.12.07.01.33.52 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Dec 2017 01:33:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5A290AFD.1080902@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 17:33:49 +0800 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: openvpn & win10 vpn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 09:33:55 -0000 On my home 11.1 server I have installed the pkg version of openvpn and configured it to use certificates. On my windows 10 laptop I have installed the openvpn client and configured it. I copied the client ca, crt, and key generated on the host to win10. When I connect the win10 openvpn client the log shows everything is connected ok. It's my understanding that everything I do on the laptop will pass through the vpn tunnel to the host and then access the internet using the ip address of the host. I set this whole thing up so I can access my hulu service while on vacation outside of the USA. USA hulu service is restricted to access from the USA. I am now on vacation outside of USA and when I have the openvpn client connected on my win10 laptop and I use either the edge browser or firefox browser and go to the hulu url I get this error page, Secure Connection Failed The connection to www.hulu.com was interrupted while the page was loading. The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified. Any ideas on why this is happening? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 7 09:59:05 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22260E81EF7 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 09:59:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no", Issuer "Fagskolen i Gj??vik" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC0AA7F6BF for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 09:59:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id vB79wrWm017441 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 10:58:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id vB79wrHl017438 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 10:58:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 10:58:53 +0100 (CET) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: openvpn & win10 vpn In-Reply-To: <5A290AFD.1080902@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <5A290AFD.1080902@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (BSF 202 2017-01-01) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mail.fig.ol.no X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 09:59:05 -0000 On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 17:33+0800, Ernie Luzar wrote: > It's my understanding that everything I do on the laptop will pass through the > vpn tunnel to the host and then access the internet using the ip address of > the host. Try configuring split tunnel on your openvpn server. -- Trond. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 7 10:42:56 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5850E82E63 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 10:42:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E5F080EE9 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 10:42:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.125] (host81-134-87-65.range81-130.btcentralplus.com [81.134.87.65]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id vB7AQD7l038088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 10:26:15 GMT (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Message-ID: <5A29174B.3030608@fjl.co.uk> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 10:26:19 +0000 From: Frank Leonhardt Reply-To: frank2@fjl.co.uk Organization: Frank Leonhardt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: grep problem References: <20171207005542.43a7f55f@gumby.homeunix.com> <20171207011948.65dbfa00@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20171207011948.65dbfa00@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 10:42:56 -0000 On 07/12/2017 01:19, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > Never mind, the shell handles the quotes, so grep sees -b as an option > rather than a pattern. :-) To find these things out the easy way, stick "echo" in front of the line, immediately a quoting problem is suspected. 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[65.25.48.31]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id o1sm2723098ite.2.2017.12.07.03.57.19 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Dec 2017 03:57:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5A292C9D.9010902@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 19:57:17 +0800 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= CC: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: openvpn & win10 vpn References: <5A290AFD.1080902@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 11:57:23 -0000 Trond Endrestøl wrote: > On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 17:33+0800, Ernie Luzar wrote: > >> It's my understanding that everything I do on the laptop will pass through the >> vpn tunnel to the host and then access the internet using the ip address of >> the host. > > Try configuring split tunnel on your openvpn server. > I can not find any reference to split tunnel mode in the documentation From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 7 12:06:32 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1732AE84F1E for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 12:06:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no", Issuer "Fagskolen i Gj??vik" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D4BC2944 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 12:06:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id vB7C6InY018328 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 13:06:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id vB7C6Iil018325 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 13:06:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 13:06:18 +0100 (CET) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: openvpn & win10 vpn In-Reply-To: <5A292C9D.9010902@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <5A290AFD.1080902@gmail.com> <5A292C9D.9010902@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (BSF 202 2017-01-01) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-ID: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mail.fig.ol.no Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 12:06:32 -0000 On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 19:57+0800, Ernie Luzar wrote: > Trond Endrestøl wrote: > > On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 17:33+0800, Ernie Luzar wrote: > > > > > It's my understanding that everything I do on the laptop will pass through > > > the > > > vpn tunnel to the host and then access the internet using the ip address > > > of > > > the host. > > > > Try configuring split tunnel on your openvpn server. > > > I can not find any reference to split tunnel mode in the documentation I misread your question. Split tunnel will not help. My bad. Maybe some of the HTTP headers give away your C/O IP address which is different from your openvpn server's address. -- Trond. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 7 13:14:10 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75CA0E86507 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 13:14:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 449C563EE9 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 13:14:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1512652451; x=1515244451; h=x-thread-info:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dIdyI6ppMyNPNBkP6g9DA96FlsRHjvsZyhT3RGpGaug=; b=Tz0SGy+CZjTCBRHcjSIjxpuXed3rxXRT7tc7U4rXah2xN40GhfjzfFSKrMby/6totFWAfY5ypTXKJ+jddLnvfoLoXEfmTvwesZeSVRL7vvvDAMtbtIrorBXus88ZM/XvEkXSMESUz9UJbJ+FH5LcpQ3Es4HABx+tgj6b+zhM1w8= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi44MTAwMDAwMDRjM2FhNS5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r1.h.in.socketlabs.com (r1.h.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.180.11]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 7 Dec 2017 08:13:57 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r1.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 7 Dec 2017 08:13:55 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.89 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1eMvzt-00088K-7V for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2017 13:13:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 13:13:53 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: openvpn & win10 vpn Message-Id: <20171207131353.5bdeb3276b704f35e2a103bc@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <5A290AFD.1080902@gmail.com> References: <5A290AFD.1080902@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 13:14:10 -0000 On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 17:33:49 +0800 Ernie Luzar wrote: > On my home 11.1 server I have installed the pkg version of openvpn and > configured it to use certificates. On my windows 10 laptop I have > installed the openvpn client and configured it. I copied the client ca, > crt, and key generated on the host to win10. When I connect the win10 > openvpn client the log shows everything is connected ok. > > It's my understanding that everything I do on the laptop will pass > through the vpn tunnel to the host and then access the internet using > the ip address of the host. That depends on the configuration, the openvpn server can be configured to push a default route in which case (if the client doesn't decline the push) then all traffic will go across the VPN, but it doesn't have to be configured that way. To find out you can either read the client and server config files carefully or (do this) point your laptop browser at somewhere like myip.com and find out what IP address you're using - if it isn't the one you want to be using then you will have to look at those config files and fix them (feel free to post them for help). > Secure Connection Failed > > The connection to www.hulu.com was interrupted while the page was > loading. That doesn't sound like a VPN problem - not sure what it is though. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 7 13:57:26 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A712E87C8C for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 13:57:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) Received: from EUR02-HE1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092068079.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.68.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "Microsoft IT SSL SHA2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79F8965846 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 13:57:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hotmail.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=otfnlfKe8MXoZgFrbFqEdZHFntRyWI1GHoDz5L20Mnc=; b=BG9EdNgFnmSPrswiwImnMLYsB8h6D7R/3zmF1Y1IizxOG4gFCQb2MZmlloI+4bqDzLWhaq9+cGVorNkHzXYTWHJdok47badcB4ROcSPv0YQYlRrGIBQnDd0iD4ckwb90UP5dmzd1aKafTmP5Qb/c80rxRqtVOK3Ko0NKjmWNOb/S2UkTxBMHuYb5wF3oBxtq/LwjgWnRzShhg20TdRhtOuShahY2Bo/DBhzGvEoXN3ewIpcIU+rtgjgWZ+re7GnVq8S5wQpk4egNJ5GJfUMh9LPBVVTnQ2VTVOUspxvp3n9TEoPkXA9P8bjV5Nw9V/ss3mcF+215KRXxB54Z489aow== Received: from VE1EUR02FT054.eop-EUR02.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.12.53) by VE1EUR02HT154.eop-EUR02.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.13.209) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.20.239.4; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 13:57:21 +0000 Received: from VI1PR02MB1200.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.152.12.60) by VE1EUR02FT054.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.13.218) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.20.282.5 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 13:57:22 +0000 Received: from VI1PR02MB1200.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::8d65:2f37:c373:122a]) by VI1PR02MB1200.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::8d65:2f37:c373:122a%14]) with mapi id 15.20.0282.012; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 13:57:21 +0000 From: Manish Jain To: Sascha Folie , "emilia@disroot.org" CC: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Does wine64 actually work? 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[65.25.48.31]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id x15sm9831947pfh.27.2017.12.07.17.02.21 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Dec 2017 17:02:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5A29E49C.30202@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 09:02:20 +0800 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve O'Hara-Smith CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: openvpn & win10 vpn References: <5A290AFD.1080902@gmail.com> <20171207131353.5bdeb3276b704f35e2a103bc@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20171207131353.5bdeb3276b704f35e2a103bc@sohara.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 01:02:24 -0000 Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 17:33:49 +0800 > Ernie Luzar wrote: > >> On my home 11.1 server I have installed the pkg version of openvpn and >> configured it to use certificates. On my windows 10 laptop I have >> installed the openvpn client and configured it. I copied the client ca, >> crt, and key generated on the host to win10. When I connect the win10 >> openvpn client the log shows everything is connected ok. >> >> It's my understanding that everything I do on the laptop will pass >> through the vpn tunnel to the host and then access the internet using >> the ip address of the host. > > That depends on the configuration, the openvpn server can be > configured to push a default route in which case (if the client doesn't > decline the push) then all traffic will go across the VPN, but it doesn't > have to be configured that way. > > To find out you can either read the client and server config files > carefully or (do this) point your laptop browser at somewhere like myip.com > and find out what IP address you're using - if it isn't the one you want to > be using then you will have to look at those config files and fix them (feel > free to post them for help). > >> Secure Connection Failed >> >> The connection to www.hulu.com was interrupted while the page was >> loading. > > That doesn't sound like a VPN problem - not sure what it is though. > I took your advice and used myip.com to verify the IP address being used by my laptop, without vpn running and with it running. Without vpn connection from my laptop, myip.com shows the IP address of the foreign country, with vpn connection from my laptop, myip.com shows the IP address of my server in the USA that the openvpn server is running on. Based on these results I think a closer look at the server config file and the win vpn client config file is needed. ################################################# # # # This file is for the server side # # of a many-clients <-> one-server # # OpenVPN configuration. # # # # Comments are preceded with '#' or ';' # ################################################# # Which TCP/UDP port should OpenVPN listen on? # If you want to run multiple OpenVPN instances # on the same machine, use a different port # number for each one. You will need to # open up this port on your firewall. #port 1194 port 6094 # TCP or UDP server? #proto tcp proto udp4 # "dev tun" will create a routed IP tunnel, #dev tap dev tun # SSL/TLS root certificate (ca), certificate # (cert), and private key (key). Each client # and the server must have their own cert and # key file. The server and all clients will # use the same ca file. # # See the "easy-rsa" directory for a series # of scripts for generating RSA certificates # and private keys. Remember to use # a unique Common Name for the server # and each of the client certificates. # ca /usr/local/etc/openvpn/ca.crt cert /usr/local/etc/openvpn/host-vpn-server.crt key /usr/local/etc/openvpn/host-vpn-server.key # Diffie hellman parameters. dh /usr/local/etc/openvpn/dh.pem # Network topology # Should be subnet (addressing via IP) # Defaults to net30 (not recommended) topology subnet # Configure server mode and supply a VPN subnet # for OpenVPN to draw client addresses from. # The server will take 10.60.0.1 for itself, # the rest will be made available to clients. # Each client will be able to reach the server # on 10.60.0.1. server 10.60.0.0 255.255.255.0 # Maintain a record of client <-> virtual IP address # associations in this file. If OpenVPN goes down or # is restarted, reconnecting clients can be assigned # the same virtual IP address from the pool that was # previously assigned. ifconfig-pool-persist /usr/local/etc/openvpn/ipp.txt # Uncomment this directive if multiple clients # might connect with the same certificate/key # files or common names. This is recommended # only for testing purposes. For production use, # each client should have its own certificate/key # pair. # # IF YOU HAVE NOT GENERATED INDIVIDUAL # CERTIFICATE/KEY PAIRS FOR EACH CLIENT, # EACH HAVING ITS OWN UNIQUE "COMMON NAME", # UNCOMMENT THIS LINE OUT. #duplicate-cn # The keepalive directive causes ping-like # messages to be sent back and forth over # the link so that each side knows when # the other side has gone down. # Ping every 10 seconds, assume that remote # peer is down if no ping received during # a 120 second time period. keepalive 10 120 # For extra security beyond that provided # by SSL/TLS, create an "HMAC firewall" # to help block DoS attacks and UDP port flooding. # # Generate with: # openvpn --genkey --secret ta.key # # The server and each client must have # a copy of this key. # The second parameter should be '0' # on the server and '1' on the clients. #tls-auth ta.key 0 # This file is secret # Select a cryptographic cipher. # This config item must be copied to # the client config file as well. #cipher BF-CBC # Blowfish (default) #cipher AES-128-CBC # AES #cipher DES-EDE3-CBC # Triple-DES # Enable compression on the VPN link. # If you enable it here, you must also # enable it in the client config file. #comp-lzo # The maximum number of concurrently connected # clients we want to allow. max-clients 4 # It's a good idea to reduce the OpenVPN # daemon's privileges after initialization. # # You can uncomment this out on # non-Windows systems. #user nobody #group nobody # The persist options will try to avoid # accessing certain resources on restart # that may no longer be accessible because # of the privilege downgrade. persist-key persist-tun # Output a short status file showing # current connections, truncated # and rewritten every minute. status /var/log/openvpn-status.log # By default, log messages will go to the syslog (or # on Windows, if running as a service, they will go to # the "\Program Files\OpenVPN\log" directory). # Use log or log-append to override this default. # "log" will truncate the log file on OpenVPN startup, # while "log-append" will append to it. Use one # or the other (but not both). #log-append /var/log/openvpn.log log /var/log/openvpn.log # Set the appropriate level of log # file verbosity. # # 0 is silent, except for fatal errors # 4 is reasonable for general usage # 5 and 6 can help to debug connection problems # 9 is extremely verbose verb 3 # Silence repeating messages. At most 20 # sequential messages of the same message # category will be output to the log. #mute 20 # If enabled, this directive will configure # all clients to redirect their default # network gateway through the VPN, causing # all IP traffic such as web browsing and # and DNS lookups to go through the VPN # (The OpenVPN server machine may need to NAT # or bridge the TUN/TAP interface to the internet # in order for this to work properly). push "redirect-gateway def1 bypass-dhcp" # Certain Windows-specific network settings # can be pushed to clients, such as DNS # or WINS server addresses. CAVEAT: # http://openvpn.net/faq.html#dhcpcaveats # The addresses below refer to the public # DNS servers provided by opendns.com. #push "dhcp-option DNS 208.67.222.222" #push "dhcp-option DNS 208.67.220.220" ## DNS servers provided by Google #push "dhcp-option DNS 8.8.8.8" #push "dhcp-option DNS 8.8.4.4" ## DNS servers provided by my time warner isp push "dhcp-option DNS 209.18.47.61" push "dhcp-option DNS 209.18.47.62" # FBSD Host DNS server provided by unbound #push "dhcp-option DNS 10.0.10.2" ############################################## # client-side OpenVPN 2.0 config # # file for connecting to multi-client server.# # # # This configuration can be used by multiple # # clients, however each client should have # # its own cert and key files. # # # # On Windows, you might want to rename this # # file so it has a .ovpn extension # ############################################## # Specify that we are a client and that we # will be pulling certain config file directives # from the server. client # Use the same setting as you are using on # the server. dev tun # Are we connecting to a TCP or # UDP server? Use the same setting as # on the server. proto udp4 # The hostname/IP and port of the server. remote home-fbsd.host.xxxxxxx.com 6094 # Keep trying indefinitely to resolve the # host name of the OpenVPN server. Very useful # on machines which are not permanently connected # to the internet such as laptops. #resolv-retry infinite # Most clients don't need to bind to # a specific local port number. nobind # Try to preserve some state across restarts. persist-key persist-tun # Wireless networks often produce a lot # of duplicate packets. Set this flag # to silence duplicate packet warnings. #mute-replay-warnings # SSL/TLS parms. # See the server config file for more # description. It's best to use # a separate .crt/.key file pair # for each client. A single ca # file can be used for all clients. ca ca.crt cert win-vpn-client.crt key win-vpn-client.key # Verify server certificate by checking that the # certicate has the correct key usage set. # This is an important precaution to protect against # a potential attack discussed here: # http://openvpn.net/howto.html#mitm # # To use this feature, you will need to generate # your server certificates with the keyUsage set to # digitalSignature, keyEncipherment # and the extendedKeyUsage to # serverAuth # EasyRSA can do this for you. #remote-cert-tls server # If a tls-auth key is used on the server # then every client must also have the key. #tls-auth ta.key 1 # Enable compression on the VPN link. # Don't enable this unless it is also # enabled in the server config file. #comp-lzo # Set log file verbosity. verb 3 # Silence repeating messages mute 20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 8 06:05:32 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB45E9B683 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 06:05:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F491659AA for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 06:05:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1512713134; x=1515305134; h=x-thread-info:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dZIleYn8onSFG1cJ/xv9Kn+EO40h7ikF9pwTAAP11Qs=; b=NxwtCDmipjOv4R8Ruh2tZPQ1Dcwv09JULm6FQs7YK4PDQA34nDRNgzvpXUKFOkoJp2GkFBBuKFcv1I6KTzsF4KPrLvzcMwb6GoeKPCdQi9ItQvsXrN+4FIaSNpn5GbzjW8F3OOfxL8YLFeH/p2bsxbid+GMWSMTQxnBAyQj3HSc= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi44MTAwMDAwMDUyZmNlZC5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r1.h.in.socketlabs.com (r1.h.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.180.11]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 8 Dec 2017 01:05:29 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r1.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 8 Dec 2017 01:05:23 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.89 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1eNBmj-000HBK-6Y; Fri, 08 Dec 2017 06:05:21 +0000 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 06:05:21 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Ernie Luzar Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: openvpn & win10 vpn Message-Id: <20171208060521.b917350299e9b323094aa2f6@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <5A29E49C.30202@gmail.com> References: <5A290AFD.1080902@gmail.com> <20171207131353.5bdeb3276b704f35e2a103bc@sohara.org> <5A29E49C.30202@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 06:05:32 -0000 On Fri, 08 Dec 2017 09:02:20 +0800 Ernie Luzar wrote: > I took your advice and used myip.com to verify the IP address being used > by my laptop, without vpn running and with it running. > > Without vpn connection from my laptop, myip.com shows the IP address of > the foreign country, > > with vpn connection from my laptop, myip.com shows the IP address of my > server in the USA that the openvpn server is running on. That's exactly what it should show - your VPN is working correctly. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 8 12:22:42 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15402E825F9 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 12:22:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sascha.folie@safo.at) Received: from mx1.safo.at (mx1.safo.at [85.126.218.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.safo.at", Issuer "ca1.safo.at" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52A53704F0 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 12:22:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sascha.folie@safo.at) Received: from mail.safo.at (mail.safo.at [10.10.1.27]) by mx1.safo.at (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPS id 91f19a83 (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO); Fri, 8 Dec 2017 13:22:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from lianli (lianli.safo.at [192.168.0.222]) by mail.safo.at (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 279c3dd5 TLS version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 13:22:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 13:22:30 +0100 From: Sascha Folie To: Manish Jain Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Does wine64 actually work? Message-Id: <20171208132230.32d76915db95633e3425dfa0@safo.at> In-Reply-To: References: <20171205203246.e1a071f3c3e4f42bada7631c@safo.at> <20171205214346.b8956c02473afecd3f0c82fb@safo.at> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 12:22:42 -0000 On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 13:57:21 +0000 Manish Jain wrote: > > On 12/07/17 00:33, Sascha Folie wrote: > > On 05.12.2017 22:11, Manish Jain wrote: > >> On 12/06/17 02:13, Sascha Folie wrote: > >>> On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 20:09:03 +0000 > >>> Manish Jain wrote: > >>>> On 12/06/17 01:02, Sascha Folie wrote: > >>>>> On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 19:01:37 +0000 > >>>>> Manish Jain wrote: > >>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On a FreeBSD 10.3 amd64 box, I am writing some documentation about > >>>>>> Wine. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I have been using wine32 for quite a while now, and it works > >>>>>> remarkably > >>>>>> well. wine64 on the contrary seems to be a minefield. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I deleted my ~/.wine (which has 32-bit-stuff), installed the wine pkg > >>>>>> (which is 64-bit), and tried running a few binaries (notepad.exe and > >>>>>> mspaint.exe) under wine64 from Win 7 as well 10. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> All I could get was trash (or nothing at all). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Is there anyone on this list who has had success running 7/10 > >>>>>> binaries > >>>>>> under wine64 ? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The problem seems to be not just with FreeBSD. Linux vm also produces > >>>>>> trash with 64-bit Windows binaries. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Thanks & Regards, > >>>>>> Manish Jain > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi, > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm running Factorio[1] on FreeBSD 11.1 amd64 on wine-staging-2.21 > >>>>> without problems. > >>>>> > >>>>> [1] https://www.factorio.com/ > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards, > >>>>> Sascha > >>>> > >>>> I removed wine and installed wine-staging (v2.17), and then I tried > >>>> running notepad.exe from Win 7 under wine64. I get: > >>>> > >>>> err:winedevice:ServiceMain Failed to load L"win32k.sys" > >>>> > >>>> No notepad window. Does anyone have any tips for resolving this > >>>> problem? > >>>> > >>>> Tx > >>>> Manish Jain > >>> > >>> I get the same error from a Win10 copy of notepad.exe. Seems like it > >>> isn't a pure 64bit application. > >>> > >>> wine/wine-devel/wine-staging on FreeBSD amd64 only support 64bit and > >>> can't run 32bit software at all. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Sascha > >> > >> Thanks for replying, Sascha. Can you please tell me one or two 64-bit > >> binaries from w7/w10 that would work under FreeBSD wine ? > >> > >> I was thinking notepad would be easiest, but it looks like things are > >> not so cool. > > > > Hi, > > > > I didn't test it yet but maybe putty.exe[1] (64bit) would be a good > > application. > > > > [1] https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/latest.html > > > > Regards, > > Sascha > > Hi Sascha/Emilia, > > I am running into crash both with Putty (64-bit) and Pale Moon (64-bit) > with wine / wine-staging. > > # file ./putty.exe > ./putty.exe: PE32+ executable (GUI) x86-64, for MS Windows > > # wine64 ./putty.exe > fixme:winediag:start_process Wine Staging 2.19 is a testing version > containing experimental patches. > fixme:winediag:start_process Please mention your exact version when > filing bug reports on winehq.org. > err:winedevice:ServiceMain Failed to load L"win32k.sys" > err:winedevice:ServiceMain Failed to load L"win32k.sys" > wine: Unhandled stack overflow at address 0x1400bb0aa (thread 0009), > starting debugger... > > I have lodged a bug report with the stack trace: > https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44137 > > If you have any clues how to fix the problems on my system, please do > let me know. Hi, I just tested putty.exe myself and I saw the "win32k.sys" error but the application starts and works. So it has to be something else in your case. Did you enable any of the new security features at the end of bsdinstall? I remember that some of them broke i386-wine for me. 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Thread-Topic: Has anyone setup teamviewer under the Linux ABI ? 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am attempting to build "mail/fetchmail< specifically: "fetchmail-6.3.26_5= " using poudriere.=20 It refuses to build it and gives this as the reason: "You are using OpenSSL= from ports and have selected GSSAPI from base, please select another GSSAPI value". I have used= the "options" options with poudriere and confirmed that GSSAPI is set to none. Building f= etchmail using "make" with the same configuration works fine. What is causing the problem. When u= sing "options" with poudriere, it shows the correct config file settings. --=20 Carmel --=-=X7LTEGqw74U3ZG=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEh3rFs7ZCOM581rwKjsagALPkYOsFAloq3IoACgkQjsagALPk YOt9Dwf/TLsha6O81k0AK0vHtNdR01chvodgZNn05WOpOWIw1TS3f1x0adXDjE1J 9NUZsMPDZcyFk0E2YRWI+FoIjQq9LKgp81QsYiD57AZSnKXNyU+HdjNtKAC8K+OT h4Jljy0ehMTf86xrZ2W1bM1ggZJvgm8rWPBZBZPfcy3yRB/aEKwB4sSUR2M1yJH1 yyyOJjQy8OG7epYaVrzdQLAGPUSdO+RtI90xs7vV5jFyVvxxZeCYKsecrF5Ip9VK eJt6UUU0PcT9BdSCvhgyyBneplF9rxL+clpNoB+DKx/XPrutQmPnamBGK8Mri8lY W+kGgGFLPNzJVjw+KsOTV46SXC5XOA== =s+lu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=X7LTEGqw74U3ZG=-=-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 8 20:05:11 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 843E5E8DCEE for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 20:05:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@outlook.com) Received: from NAM01-BY2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092001074.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.1.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "Microsoft IT SSL SHA2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4796C2880; 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am unable to build the "devel/llvm40" port with poudriere. It ends with t= his error message: /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: No space left on device c++: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocatio= n) ninja: build stopped: subcommand failed. *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/llvm40 =3D>> Cleaning up wrkdir =3D=3D=3D> Cleaning for llvm40-4.0.1_5 build of devel/llvm40 | llvm40-4.0.1_5 ended at Fri Dec 8 14:30:36 EST 2017 build time: 01:01:56 !!! build failure encountered !!! Is there anything I can do to correct this situation? --=20 Carmel --=-=MCeFJBAA5P5kbA=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEh3rFs7ZCOM581rwKjsagALPkYOsFAloq8FsACgkQjsagALPk YOun4Qf/fF4UGRlECuZ32ZEIiGtHDdyRZju30QUDup01y5FWdKEmjdLPGZP48TCj ayrOZmxTZVniXoT+h3feGJhg84Nx1mc4k0QVxv2cZ5XC7/tsGaMhZ3tcr8vY9TQN zi7GXYMTyqQCJhj19oc0zS4a9Svt4TDoFbP2Uap8kBiSo1UWidAP+p9dlkySSnqh hLsD4kjT/0mln1vhCUbobE7w9Edv0EWgffGg2Jav8bCUfpnJcUvjac08QAVGsONq 2+n4VOzGSCOb5pZFxLcYv4RgmYEkfzV4h04ec77wFI5OYZSN907JQjdACb9c30tb A4vdooEKuWeUh/XCCx+M5uXdl66E2Q== =B0+V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=MCeFJBAA5P5kbA=-=-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 8 20:24:32 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E99E8E422 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 20:24:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA9BC35A1 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 20:24:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.18.98]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue101 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MXHhV-1ebr6D02Uf-00WBeL for ; Fri, 08 Dec 2017 21:24:24 +0100 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 21:24:23 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: devel/llvm40 fails to build Message-Id: <20171208212423.60ce7e09.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:+HEVUyeJq10zTs5NWh7ftMJtkZ4ATcDLon/txYLumcgglkFn8GX +QlQTMUQUVWrYdfSrBKz2bVkj6+qI+s6QHrNOiK7+eU9XwnixsJ7rMmirUitpW7VP2eMff/ ++WgoC+MmIhm2B+55z9WuRMHAM1zc/SGWOZav1tATydOOUAs5vaPDV2yckOAXKeFDLAqrBg Cbo9IvnJX9xLXxmjnM7xA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:uFj39z1NL8Y=:Z+mZ3pEmGHQfk54SYJS7BY 7TM2hizXpYtV0Y9w+NpqXSasLpNv9vgBC00Leyw9mbm5FP3ExYjbLb5zIO0jlLxAZtKNqi6mM bq4vTRW3NO4AhQsrHlYbfmOBxR0qbhYfBw/Hf75zyVrWfbvAj3Ng8AdFl61/iJSXt5yPlvrto qcp1FKPTaiKN05dFUoEMJPH41FMfXqZOV5av9X+y/AWyqaKbIaH3Y0AGhKFk9xoBQuwthqukz bIUYz2X3vbk+OP+wHykzFpDnR9P/v5kIU6FFLVcd8+/XPAb/p8u+NaB3a2Qgi3Ws4VUUiuC/Y Qe8KBdPeU+AAoJwSxdQBaTYeP3ErpQR0WC5houf1EWSyZOAsJIjEd9xoCq+m6meMIb/CXH9ew R8LYjWVDqP5MEoU4ghdruLZbhvIUsF6Jwdw9TVbmEOeU5FVdXI0wElsmRtWfp2lpUE/wxODS5 C0sMolLXV7ptr3rmcnUKfjp+jU1pTIAjMTGffa6aFbqdyMKJDezRu+39ZMGDEQIn2kS1AyH7+ /HJZqA7/xbU1h5cvbJ3GmWUOr9GdZV9JQEFTyUtRq9Y8X7h1hG4jifKspafD32Z/4jWMR5pPu PAXGIco/pO33Q57XGE242L/CAcYjyz1BSIIANdFDe1xfyKCMyWl+Bx0KjLKRWydNnGUsqTQxt AEC86B9GSPZhBLEmWDbJfvbD7UVYXiCZNXmu6EMYdZCNj3j3M6hX2z5EeBgwFaPj8UvGhrqsL XMmghRH/eRy1yr5B+BIR1qmBaDMMV6HwuiEuMEqUohcaNq2gScij3nmHNXA= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 20:24:32 -0000 On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 20:05:09 +0000, Carmel NY wrote: > I am unable to build the "devel/llvm40" port with poudriere. It ends with > this error message: > > /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: No space left on device > c++: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation) > ninja: build stopped: subcommand failed. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/llvm40 > =>> Cleaning up wrkdir > ===> Cleaning for llvm40-4.0.1_5 > build of devel/llvm40 | llvm40-4.0.1_5 ended at Fri Dec 8 14:30:36 EST 2017 > build time: 01:01:56 > !!! build failure encountered !!! > > Is there anything I can do to correct this situation? Check the output of "df -h", maybe additionally during the build. Find out where "No space left on device" happens, i. e., which partition has insufficient space for ld to create working files or to write the result to. Or are you using a memory disk of insufficient (fixed) size? Or a quota? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Friday, December 8, 2017 3:24 PM, Polytropon stated: > On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 20:05:09 +0000, Carmel NY wrote: > > I am unable to build the "devel/llvm40" port with poudriere. It ends > > with this error message: > > > > /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: No space left on device > > c++: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see > > c++invocation) > > ninja: build stopped: subcommand failed. > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop. > > make: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/llvm40 =3D>> Cleaning up wrkdir =3D= =3D=3D> > > Cleaning for llvm40-4.0.1_5 build of devel/llvm40 | llvm40-4.0.1_5 > > ended at Fri Dec 8 14:30:36 EST 2017 build time: 01:01:56 !!! build > > failure encountered !!! > > > > Is there anything I can do to correct this situation? >=20 > Check the output of "df -h", maybe additionally during the build. > Find out where "No space left on device" happens, i. e., which partition = has > insufficient space for ld to create working files or to write the result = to. Or are > you using a memory disk of insufficient (fixed) size? Or a quota? ~ $ df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on zroot/ROOT/default 896G 3.6G 892G 0% / devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev zroot/tmp 892G 136K 892G 0% /tmp zroot/usr/home 892G 128M 892G 0% /usr/home zroot/poudriere/jails/11amd64 893G 957M 892G 0% /usr/local/poudriere/jails= /11amd64 zroot/poudriere/ports/default 893G 842M 892G 0% /usr/local/poudriere/ports= /default zroot/usr/ports 893G 1.0G 892G 0% /usr/ports zroot/usr/src 892G 88K 892G 0% /usr/src zroot/var/audit 892G 88K 892G 0% /var/audit zroot/var/crash 892G 88K 892G 0% /var/crash zroot/var/log 892G 11M 892G 0% /var/log zroot/var/mail 893G 270M 892G 0% /var/mail zroot/var/tmp 892G 92K 892G 0% /var/tmp zroot 892G 88K 892G 0% /zroot zroot/poudriere 892G 88K 892G 0% /zroot/poudriere zroot/poudriere/jails 892G 88K 892G 0% /zroot/poudriere/jails zroot/poudriere/ports 892G 88K 892G 0% /zroot/poudriere/ports map -hosts 0B 0B 0B 100% /net map -media 0B 0B 0B 100% /media I have ccache configured also. I don'ty think that, that would make a diffe= rence though. --=20 Carmel --=-=KtDvRpXZdlEuKb=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEh3rFs7ZCOM581rwKjsagALPkYOsFAloq/qgACgkQjsagALPk YOs3JQf/fSrArcaTIExxRG3PkTNtqxt7k/xVccC23vjRKOn5aSyUxu72TVhOGXo/ yubEqM+eAieqXeNKp8bAooZn/s/mPsAMcTfUvDQY3kgjxvDtLZ2XPiujS4oYgXGg omh+jeJVwmIEMnHzfEAsBHbtyUunheD/3pXQdf8zjdGdC4F44XGEXcUvEw4oNX46 Hmoy/OXn6QNuvRMKpDO6RsDXfGWOiwV0De9ypIaEu4rCwoYPz0OBD/fjjcvxGTEM qEgYhAwII6pYV6JGgyfbz5lYL+ZmfofdFrVWh0XqQ32pMsciEf0J5BH3rc2JEaqv VQSVIzZzF8KcTralMrEU1D09Z0V5Hw== =LYXz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=KtDvRpXZdlEuKb=-=-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 8 21:57:29 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D77E902EF for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 21:57:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost2.sentex.ca (smarthost2.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:80:80::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smarthost.sentex.ca", Issuer "smarthost.sentex.ca" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81C8265A4E for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 21:57:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (lava.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:5::11]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id vB8LvRKF013428 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 16:57:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [192.168.43.26] (saphire3.sentex.net [192.168.43.26]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vB8LvPLg046805 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 16:57:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) To: freebsd-questions From: Mike Tancsa Subject: zfs mirror and unequal writes Organization: Sentex Communications Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 16:57:23 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 21:57:29 -0000 I was reading up on SSD life spans and decided to take a quick look at how many TBW my disks have gone through. Looking at one box I was really surprised at the uneven amount of data written 0{backup4}# smartctl -a /dev/ada0 | grep LBAs 241 Total_LBAs_Written 0x0032 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 21004341355 0{backup4}# smartctl -a /dev/ada1 | grep LBAs 241 Total_LBAs_Written 0x0032 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 413475182465 0{backup4}# I was quite surprised that there were WAY more writes to one disk that the other. Give these are zfs mirrors, one says 192TB writes and the other is 10TB ?!?!?! They were installed at the same time 1{backup4}# smartctl -a /dev/ada0 | grep Power_On 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 094 094 000 Old_age Always - 29445 0{backup4}# smartctl -a /dev/ada1 | grep Power_On 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 094 094 000 Old_age Always - 29275 0{backup4}# Any ideas what might be going on ? The Wear_Leveling_Count seems out of whack too, although I guess sort of expected ? 0{backup4}# smartctl -a /dev/ada1 | head smartctl 6.4 2015-06-04 r4109 [FreeBSD 10.4-STABLE amd64] (local build) Copyright (C) 2002-15, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Model Family: Samsung based SSDs Device Model: Samsung SSD 840 PRO Series Serial Number: S1ANNSADB96894E LU WWN Device Id: 5 002538 5a0164a23 Firmware Version: DXM05B0Q User Capacity: 128,035,676,160 bytes [128 GB] 141{backup4}# smartctl -a /dev/ada0 | head smartctl 6.4 2015-06-04 r4109 [FreeBSD 10.4-STABLE amd64] (local build) Copyright (C) 2002-15, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Model Family: Samsung based SSDs Device Model: Samsung SSD 840 PRO Series Serial Number: S1ANNSADB82440E LU WWN Device Id: 5 002538 5a015e935 Firmware Version: DXM05B0Q User Capacity: 128,035,676,160 bytes [128 GB] 141{backup4}# and ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 010 Pre-fail Always - 0 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 094 094 000 Old_age Always - 29275 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 49 177 Wear_Leveling_Count 0x0013 008 008 000 Pre-fail Always - 3332 179 Used_Rsvd_Blk_Cnt_Tot 0x0013 100 100 010 Pre-fail Always - 0 181 Program_Fail_Cnt_Total 0x0032 100 100 010 Old_age Always - 0 182 Erase_Fail_Count_Total 0x0032 100 100 010 Old_age Always - 0 183 Runtime_Bad_Block 0x0013 100 100 010 Pre-fail Always - 0 187 Uncorrectable_Error_Cnt 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0032 067 062 000 Old_age Always - 33 195 ECC_Error_Rate 0x001a 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 199 CRC_Error_Count 0x003e 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 235 POR_Recovery_Count 0x0012 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 38 241 Total_LBAs_Written 0x0032 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 413482348777 ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 010 Pre-fail Always - 0 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 094 094 000 Old_age Always - 29445 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 51 177 Wear_Leveling_Count 0x0013 093 093 000 Pre-fail Always - 246 179 Used_Rsvd_Blk_Cnt_Tot 0x0013 100 100 010 Pre-fail Always - 0 181 Program_Fail_Cnt_Total 0x0032 100 100 010 Old_age Always - 0 182 Erase_Fail_Count_Total 0x0032 100 100 010 Old_age Always - 0 183 Runtime_Bad_Block 0x0013 100 100 010 Pre-fail Always - 0 187 Uncorrectable_Error_Cnt 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0032 067 062 000 Old_age Always - 33 195 ECC_Error_Rate 0x001a 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 199 CRC_Error_Count 0x003e 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 92 235 POR_Recovery_Count 0x0012 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 39 241 Total_LBAs_Written 0x0032 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 21004655923 -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 8 22:40:12 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283FFE910A1 for ; 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charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 22:40:12 -0000 On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 3:57 PM, Mike Tancsa wrote: > I was reading up on SSD life spans and decided to take a quick look at > how many TBW my disks have gone through. Looking at one box I was really > surprised at the uneven amount of data written > > > 0{backup4}# smartctl -a /dev/ada0 | grep LBAs > 241 Total_LBAs_Written 0x0032 099 099 000 Old_age Always > - 21004341355 > 0{backup4}# smartctl -a /dev/ada1 | grep LBAs > 241 Total_LBAs_Written 0x0032 099 099 000 Old_age Always > - 413475182465 > 0{backup4}# > > I was quite surprised that there were WAY more writes to one disk that > the other. Give these are zfs mirrors, one says 192TB writes and the > other is 10TB ?!?!?! > > They were installed at the same time > Do you have the disks allocated in any other way eg swap or have a member drop out for awhile? I checked my mirror which has been in place for ~4 years and the values are pretty close, although I have different drives which are mechanical. -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 8 22:46:01 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CAF9E913BD for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 22:46:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost2.sentex.ca (smarthost2.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:80:80::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smarthost.sentex.ca", Issuer "smarthost.sentex.ca" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDAD867E68 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 22:46:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (lava.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:5::11]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id vB8MjxcK022362 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 17:45:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [192.168.43.26] (saphire3.sentex.ca [192.168.43.26]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vB8MjvKU046898; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 17:45:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Subject: Re: zfs mirror and unequal writes To: Adam Vande More Cc: freebsd-questions References: From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications Message-ID: <6f2e4f4b-a320-7317-875b-d0e7df64a5b3@sentex.net> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 17:45:56 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 22:46:01 -0000 On 12/8/2017 5:40 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: > > Do you have the disks allocated in any other way eg swap or have a > member drop out for awhile? > > I checked my mirror which has been in place for ~4 years and the values > are pretty close, although I have different drives which are mechanical. Actually, thats the odd thing, swap is on ada0 (only) and its the one with dramatically less writes. I looked a few recently deployed SSD boxes and they are all very close as well. This is the one outlier. Not sure if its indicative of some other pathology of the drive ? 0{backup4}# grep swap /etc/fstab /dev/ada0p2 none swap sw 0 0 #/dev/ada1p2 none swap sw 0 0 0{backup4}# ls -l /etc/fstab -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 111 Oct 24 2014 /etc/fstab 0{backup4}# 1{backup4}# gpart show ada0 => 34 250069613 ada0 GPT (119G) 34 6 - free - (3.0K) 40 1024 1 freebsd-boot (512K) 1064 41943040 2 freebsd-swap (20G) 41944104 208125536 3 freebsd-zfs (99G) 250069640 7 - free - (3.5K) 0{backup4}# gpart show ada1 => 34 250069613 ada1 GPT (119G) 34 6 - free - (3.0K) 40 1024 1 freebsd-boot (512K) 1064 41943040 2 freebsd-zfs (20G) 41944104 208125536 3 freebsd-zfs (99G) 250069640 7 - free - (3.5K) 0{backup4}# -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 8 22:57:34 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45FDE91AEF for ; 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Friday, December 8, 2017 3:24 PM, Polytropon stated: > On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 20:05:09 +0000, Carmel NY wrote: > > I am unable to build the "devel/llvm40" port with poudriere. It ends > > with this error message: > > > > /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: No space left on device > > c++: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see > > c++invocation) > > ninja: build stopped: subcommand failed. > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop. > > make: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/llvm40 =3D>> Cleaning up wrkdir =3D= =3D=3D> > > Cleaning for llvm40-4.0.1_5 build of devel/llvm40 | llvm40-4.0.1_5 > > ended at Fri Dec 8 14:30:36 EST 2017 build time: 01:01:56 !!! build > > failure encountered !!! > > > > Is there anything I can do to correct this situation? >=20 > Check the output of "df -h", maybe additionally during the build. > Find out where "No space left on device" happens, i. e., which partition = has > insufficient space for ld to create working files or to write the result = to. Or are > you using a memory disk of insufficient (fixed) size? Or a quota? Ignore my first reply. I ran poudriere again to build the "llvm40" port. Us= ing two screens, I was able to keep track of what was happening. This is the output of "df -h" when the problem started: ~ $ df -h Filesystem Size Us= ed Avail Capacity Mounted on zroot/ROOT/default 895G 3.= 6G 892G 0% / devfs 1.0K 1.= 0K 0B 100% /dev zroot/tmp 892G 17= 6K 892G 0% /tmp zroot/usr/home 892G 12= 8M 892G 0% /usr/home zroot/poudriere/jails/11amd64 893G 95= 7M 892G 0% /usr/local/poudriere/jails/11amd64 zroot/poudriere/ports/default 892G 84= 2M 892G 0% /usr/local/poudriere/ports/default zroot/usr/ports 893G 1.= 0G 892G 0% /usr/ports zroot/usr/src 892G 8= 8K 892G 0% /usr/src zroot/var/audit 892G 8= 8K 892G 0% /var/audit zroot/var/crash 892G 8= 8K 892G 0% /var/crash zroot/var/log 892G 1= 1M 892G 0% /var/log zroot/var/mail 892G 27= 2M 892G 0% /var/mail zroot/var/tmp 892G 9= 2K 892G 0% /var/tmp zroot 892G 8= 8K 892G 0% /zroot zroot/poudriere 892G 8= 8K 892G 0% /zroot/poudriere zroot/poudriere/jails 892G 8= 8K 892G 0% /zroot/poudriere/jails zroot/poudriere/ports 892G 8= 8K 892G 0% /zroot/poudriere/ports map -hosts 0B = 0B 0B 100% /net map -media 0B = 0B 0B 100% /media zroot/poudriere/jails/11amd64-default-ref 893G 95= 7M 892G 0% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/ref /usr/local/poudriere/jails/11amd64/rescue 893G 95= 7M 892G 0% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/ref/rescue /usr/local/poudriere/jails/11amd64/usr/src 893G 95= 7M 892G 0% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/ref/usr/s= rc devfs 1.0K 1.= 0K 0B 100% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/ref/dev fdescfs 1.0K 1.= 0K 0B 100% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/ref/dev/fd procfs 4.0K 4.= 0K 0B 100% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/ref/proc linprocfs 4.0K 4.= 0K 0B 100% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/ref/compa= t/linux/proc tmpfs 1.0G 1= 8M 1.0G 2% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/ref/.p /var/cache/ccache 895G 3.= 6G 892G 0% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/ref/root/= .ccache tmpfs 19M 4.= 0K 19M 0% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/ref/wrkdi= rs /usr/local/poudriere/ports/default 892G 84= 2M 892G 0% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/ref/usr/p= orts /usr/local/poudriere/data/packages/11amd64-default/.building 895G 3.= 6G 892G 0% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/ref/packa= ges /usr/ports/distfiles 893G 1.= 0G 892G 0% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/ref/distf= iles tmpfs 19M 21= 6K 19M 1% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/ref/var/d= b/ports zroot/poudriere/jails/11amd64-default-ref/01 893G 1.= 5G 892G 0% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/01 /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/ref/rescue 893G 95= 7M 892G 0% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/01/rescue /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/ref/usr/src 893G 95= 7M 892G 0% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/01/usr/src devfs 1.0K 1.= 0K 0B 100% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/01/dev fdescfs 1.0K 1.= 0K 0B 100% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/01/dev/fd procfs 4.0K 4.= 0K 0B 100% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/01/proc linprocfs 4.0K 4.= 0K 0B 100% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/01/compat= /linux/proc tmpfs 1.0G 4.= 0K 1.0G 0% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/01/.p /var/cache/ccache 895G 3.= 6G 892G 0% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/01/root/.= ccache tmpfs 2.1G 2.= 0G 19M 99% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/01/wrkdirs /usr/local/poudriere/ports/default 892G 84= 2M 892G 0% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/01/usr/po= rts /usr/local/poudriere/data/packages/11amd64-default/.building 895G 3.= 6G 892G 0% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/01/packag= es /usr/ports/distfiles 893G 1.= 0G 892G 0% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/01/distfi= les /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/ref/var/db/ports 19M 21= 6K 19M 1% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/01/var/db= /ports I believe this to be the problem: tmpfs 2.1G 2.= 0G 19M 99% /usr/local/poudriere/data/.m/11amd64-default/01/wrkdirs Once it hit 99%, I started to see this message on the other screen: Swap_pager: out of swap space Swap_pager_getswapspace(16): failed Dec 8 17:25:13 scorpio kernel: pid 41663 (clamd), was killed: out of swap s= pace. This is the /etc/fstab file, if it matters: # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pas= s# /dev/ada0p2 none swap sw 0 0 This is what I think is the relative portion of the /usr/local/etc/poudrier= e.conf file: # When building packages, a memory device can be used to speedup the build. # Only one of MFSSIZE or USE_TMPFS is supported. TMPFS is generally faster # and will expand to the needed amount of RAM. MFS is a slower since it # uses UFS and several abstraction layers. # If set WRKDIRPREFIX will be mdmfs of the given size (mM or gG) #MFSSIZE=3D4G # Use tmpfs(5) # This can be a space-separated list of options: # wrkdir - Use tmpfs(5) for port building WRKDIRPREFIX # data - Use tmpfs(5) for poudriere cache/temp build data # localbase - Use tmpfs(5) for LOCALBASE (installing ports for packaging/te= sting) # all - Run the entire build in memory, including builder jails. # yes - Enables tmpfs(5) for wrkdir and data # no - Disable use of tmpfs(5) # EXAMPLE: USE_TMPFS=3D"wrkdir data" USE_TMPFS=3Dyes # How much memory to limit tmpfs size to for *each builder* in GiB # (default: none) #TMPFS_LIMIT=3D8 --=20 Carmel --=-=IowRvDtvXJi64h=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEh3rFs7ZCOM581rwKjsagALPkYOsFAlorGL0ACgkQjsagALPk YOv6pAf/YfzoFM1bYgaMWRg4atMFkWOWhXkxAkwSl36oTlls++Y2OyPx+qCIYZ4J 7jFr1SjrprqQB/aGdresZadIsVZmfZhY1gks+Ux2RrW7Zl09h2todJ/716bGWiVt K/vFYA/FXEkFntVo8+rDIFXLmN/DEUum5zd5p38Pc5ZbIz11Mjn5PfXoBaL7PMCq /i1koIkrf/9+hjI0+WbSPv+j60LJj9QUi3xESarovM1ZVclp/nHdLhjrGGwv7TI2 aPu0JnNjJ7JOzOMmS5v9EVZ66pdP2Z3dbXKYUpuBeiy03K4HZwI9KcOdDLPjkWco Iq9WjhdQG5nK2U4xPjYbOjy41XWkvQ== =IOPL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=IowRvDtvXJi64h=-=-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 9 05:11:43 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66FE6EA10D3 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 05:11:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ua0-x22e.google.com (mail-ua0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DDF477214 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 05:11:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ua0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id i92so8772566uad.7 for ; Fri, 08 Dec 2017 21:11:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=CRocC6g+NjuAeprUmXATBq8uAxWt2u1a0ZlGtUIaDig=; b=ncF7CtDkFUoTm+NTfGm8rAZg5lPk0OuriF7PWjnI76UQe01IpMhKmsldfJ/AY7mcYi 8Xyk6Ex+5w3G3Oc5rUzENYwQ4siENXqkDlK8ciVl0Sib8TyGTpIdwjGJy8wG4cTRtDXu BCSvc7jyFmcmm+McCCJiHk0Ntk0coA1msT9VqYQAJfUoygGZzeVGRulRR+gyzcmfByUd /rKtf8ES+PUG82OtkIAbXZ0U3o4smx4TuRHZzG8O5Mg4PAjYtq36+zXucnOPsXoCom9T 03xErhx10u1wDfnkMEGNemv6Qj+rVf2HV4EuhrzicPek8t0rybxuU+J4u3/LbvE8g7k1 aJgA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=CRocC6g+NjuAeprUmXATBq8uAxWt2u1a0ZlGtUIaDig=; b=Zog37zD+Dh5LXGHk++MAv38d15OP3bbVM8pAAuKOoaAguRdHNQzF6zjQzH1WFPGjF4 Gt/Dj5odNSOKeHBuXqqHAMWjIPZSktB+pAlCL4s4ZZWuz7LizahRLXTqCqrAHijU+9i0 gyHO2SGkdPIATZoaePmAiXvCCQioEFmCgL6cW1+ms5c3kSCsqHzHb8F+I20WzCZT0aY4 u5a0iDcGmQEhKxzC3hqOymyKow+9AB8v6v/wYA01q/arbeTmV1mb9xrtCOSDB3gS4n2X 0aDmtrbtdMdRAfA53cykrPxP9hCdEaWELIntumBWBXzYNccPW1p64kNshJJj2UIsGSXQ v9Ig== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mIgUxKDqGa7Ov3wXzWZbMXHa/UQsjhraqTR49CIrNZCngzPykmC eIFwfOwlOEtpaqRb8AXNf8XZqRkLd5MT0rTDdnA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbZV4Ii7iVwOStm9agc6NMoWTsy3tiJjRk4QLh/a0lpI6ASDSCNQhCSePgAqIE7jR3M52RwtTB5iCCLTicN9vQ= X-Received: by 10.176.78.155 with SMTP id l27mr20657140uah.108.1512796301903; Fri, 08 Dec 2017 21:11:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Ben Woods Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 05:11:31 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fetchmail & poudriere To: Carmel NY Cc: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 05:11:43 -0000 On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 at 7:41 am, Carmel NY wrote: > I am attempting to build "mail/fetchmail< specifically: > "fetchmail-6.3.26_5" using poudriere. > It refuses to build it and gives this as the reason: "You are using > OpenSSL from ports and have > selected GSSAPI from base, please select another GSSAPI value". I have > used the "options" > options with poudriere and confirmed that GSSAPI is set to none. Building > fetchmail using "make" > with the same configuration works fine. What is causing the problem. When > using "options" with > poudriere, it shows the correct config file settings. > > -- > Carmel > Hi Carmel, Can you please attach the poudriere log for the failed build? Regards, Ben -- -- From: Benjamin Woods woodsb02@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 9 07:23:37 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7B6E8198F for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 07:23:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22d.google.com (mail-it0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2E2F7A907 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 07:23:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id x28so8301553ita.0 for ; Fri, 08 Dec 2017 23:23:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=a+xLfV4Ys5LvVQQDNnLRAXYcniFzLbqFWWD0gjMNlbU=; b=JUtLW18Vk7gS6M76wCG/j8AaXrUNpYXNj/qfVBSOGItT8LNDhptzVsn+rLw8m1DXpU swWfm6MCBBdwjP7InylpRkbTV5zjqxtMM+GIXMVgygiqFddVroLShy+wpC9jVNOMwDsr hpp9LTT3c56y1CPMUQ6oXMafXvVGqEooQzHTnjN1LFdLWs5bT1q+VEUbCTeyedKDTmQ2 itWqrMtwBGn1XxWC1A+zQ8+sUmPBoiGIl2Kq5ZfHwEfrG9WbGcRIDHSDfgUKKyK8Xca+ yQcSfOzzZVWLipa/vEIilLsHTyqmXn12pCqKF32hn1k7ZonZ98Yo3gc3Hn6PkpwqRqIn +fIQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=a+xLfV4Ys5LvVQQDNnLRAXYcniFzLbqFWWD0gjMNlbU=; b=O/Y5kbOQBXdqmDal61BID3eEVyUPr31dkgLp1IAeaAZC5mA6l5igTyNqR7icIp0k2r ONyZGxgOUmQwYyoRazvV06QHdWctIHs7/aHfrhoYmVwwTX7DcPm9eDc8nh5vOPj971V+ kaWdpNoF/aPAXUh4mzqVBqRq7NVcpETC++ErNMUqQJ7N1KYKs+WM7b2Ygo1hgE2AuYHH uzmrcM2yPVGhJaS0mbidrJWgKYSwbvDNxUuZcZCj//wlAJPYM3x+t1srdYBHlDo7y6A9 zFrO82oR8Owc4frgIORPtQxpnl/Ue2jWtr+QcjhDOAA+RVtIlUKcTTMO8LwKC436rjAc YWtw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mKr4TBOp8Ioqj8MFMEanIAS8GUT1AbasBaUQlO8dVtlqM6SI1OE bCzSjv7Lbcf0BsH0d3+xJoF0JlTjMOoLSiK3RPb5iA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMY8v7pgb6jAiFpxpkBjDEQGlorDVEYTIe5gjC9xGLJ9threX4pG23qw7x6BNVD29HGONXk3M2CmKkxu3K835Ns= X-Received: by 10.36.116.135 with SMTP id o129mr8358956itc.119.1512804215831; Fri, 08 Dec 2017 23:23:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.11.31 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 23:23:35 -0800 (PST) From: blubee blubeeme Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 15:23:35 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: YouCompleteMe FreeBSD kernel headers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 07:23:37 -0000 I'm looking for where the u_int, u_long headers are defined? for instance MOD_LOAD, UNLOAD, ENOTSUP along with u_int and u_long aren't being picked up by libclang module_t isn't being found either but I located that header file in /usr/include/sys/module.h snd_modevent(module_t mod, int type, void *data) { switch (type) { case MOD_LOAD: break; case MOD_UNLOAD: break; default: return (ENOTSUP); break; } return 0; } Anyone here uses YCM? Here's a verbose output of my global ycm_config. I hard coded the values to test but still some headers like u_int, u_long and the above mentioned MOD_* aren't being picked up. Any ideas why? 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charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 09 Dec 2017 05:11:31 +0000, Ben Woods stated: >On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 at 7:41 am, Carmel NY wrote: > >> I am attempting to build "mail/fetchmail< specifically: >> "fetchmail-6.3.26_5" using poudriere. >> It refuses to build it and gives this as the reason: "You are using >> OpenSSL from ports and have >> selected GSSAPI from base, please select another GSSAPI value". I have >> used the "options" >> options with poudriere and confirmed that GSSAPI is set to none. Building >> fetchmail using "make" >> with the same configuration works fine. What is causing the problem. When >> using "options" with >> poudriere, it shows the correct config file settings. >> >> -- >> Carmel >> =20 >Hi Carmel, > >Can you please attach the poudriere log for the failed build? > >Regards, >Ben This is a link to the file: https://seibercom.net/logs/Fetchmail_Build_Log.txt --=20 Carmel --Sig_/jJ3=1tVAIQKkkUtr_eWk_dy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEh3rFs7ZCOM581rwKjsagALPkYOsFAlorwjEACgkQjsagALPk YOuBbAf/SW5PpcJTJpu+eIlVrRqMLUNsX5GdWM+vcim13JqIpCTer+eI3FIu4f3P eY5ABFqf94FVuVqat/an4dYBAN5P91D+659cCkyNy3Le/NwjukkY3VwowC4FGYJG bHZ9iR4gVSznYnOy/nbEWwfunzvw2ZxtaJEguY+yZPR1R+cv6VBHgMJ0ZW9dnosf e+4jTNcTUEGpgBLvZ5oJkysXWrt4cwRw6FQTw8P7egdfXLHrVjqrKEX/e6ME//ho O+kq4wSqwgxBCFqRTOMIKGUv133dmNxajFZaiQuSRvGVo4KIdkbqnMh7FKmD0c0H nzO4Bg87eqhFqXXjJNnWQqa1BMqmBw== =YC6w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/jJ3=1tVAIQKkkUtr_eWk_dy-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 9 12:59:10 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B21EAE8A6B4 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 12:59:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D63E643F9 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 12:59:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.18.98]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue004 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0LhAEV-1esbUQ0oWl-00oTNp; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 13:59:01 +0100 Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 13:58:53 +0100 From: Polytropon To: blubee blubeeme Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: YouCompleteMe FreeBSD kernel headers Message-Id: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:6VH6GER/hjyQ38wfu7iwn40DY+gQvjJJJPRDLV4ZDspZjmXHSm+ JNB8M2MIbT/IxTmmHtQ/yBE0XQtl7kXdCq/iSFPqfYl6mA5I/OgGz3QhhLWcFzwYjvb4YFO 7I5iLG7oknGmInVnsoKlJuU21g1ir24WSNL70V8dhNvhfgd8liAR8JdFmlsWEiOtwvG87KD 6jfR0+uaNofCIeKp9LaXQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:3njj5ZpWOVk=:fDxhTcBcej2vVSxhfmZwkG 9mv+O8ZissDkYwhOoenpJ/jOeJ7PUSEIUKQh0YvUBLCca37KXoMTVds9TyEWjJD6SCl1ePzK/ 2dhItgzNYN/IOl9Dipo1rbrsUy2YePoF91SK40h7TpoT0bNUeHBZbyMVf6wImnYxgkw70SDkG ugOsTu9zx9hu+VVwWBonTsGQ9zLOE/wIu+ykyL9kNxAsbvaemRrdhw2Ej6uHoBjpOha/LOM62 Ji7dPxWjb8cTtLhnbv3pDPR2RhefjJKELDyHu3H2zvFh9QDP4Yi6ta2w1lMkqjV6ZzpiHwoUV zJPri2sdfdwpzuUj620i4zzza34S0iWShZHS93EUgXTPWBOWb/GMGmqmJDLhcOyQHhgmJnlQX ZHIfnkSdtZLqmdUdBu/6pCE8HeWfFWrejdFGKjhp02JndvArYwl2rQPLb0Sbe+mvDP86OCJ6b Qmbcp8KqQP80EJmKERHrLMoioW89p2dm1NBMLNfUKfusdW9IH08qe2hbPCPjneqH2BHxtlXgD IK4/P0Xzn2ElavHhu/7tESOSeQMz4utbDyv16C4EKMG87VPNZh4apBu3FzQxJiW+q3fsRJ2gS CYUuzRNlBeM+YuvEw2Y2cYlYqMuaN9fqlYMcwvE0j3m120h8mba8Go75r5DfGT8Poq94Qjttq RF7cxEePtD5sIBLXKXMgGmr/b02Pksc3sPDwLv5FD830A5wh7YC7haQGJBIpXn3jXuiKNMCEq ZbjWZWLP3kD+U0vRLnXKKzDop9Dwhg4tN9Vzm5sf4zwfaEnlHKxofCnjxnTOgk2Uk2NFAajBB FSGpAy/ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 12:59:10 -0000 On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 15:23:35 +0800, blubee blubeeme wrote: > I'm looking for where the u_int, u_long headers are defined? Check /usr/include/sys/types.h. > for instance MOD_LOAD, UNLOAD, ENOTSUP along with u_int and u_long aren't > being picked up by libclang With /usr/include being a default path, inclusion should make those type definitions available. > module_t isn't being found either but I located that header file in > /usr/include/sys/module.h > > snd_modevent(module_t mod, int type, void *data) > { > > switch (type) { > case MOD_LOAD: > break; > case MOD_UNLOAD: > break; > default: > return (ENOTSUP); > break; > } > return 0; > } Yes, this header file uses modult_t, but the definition is located elsewhere. In /usr/include/sys/module.h, you'll find typedef struct module *module_t; so you need to search for struct module's definition, and you will find the "pointer-only definition": struct module; So this is (more or less) a placeholder, usually for the case where a pointer to a struct will be used (see typedef above). > Anyone here uses YCM? Well, I don't. ;-) > Here's a verbose output of my global ycm_config. I hard coded the values to > test but still some headers like u_int, u_long and the above mentioned > MOD_* aren't being picked up. Maybe this is because u_int is uint (see source provided above). Sorry I cannot provide more help, I'm not using the component in question... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 9 13:20:18 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 622B3E8ADC5 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 13:20:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-cmomta03.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F5BD64D1B for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 13:20:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from raspberrypi.bildanet.com ([65.186.81.207]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id Nf4QerH0mmG8pNf4TeOnCw; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 13:21:37 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] (helo=desktop.example.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eNf35-0007hH-Dw for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 13:20:11 +0000 Subject: looks like I am no longer welcome around here To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 08:20:11 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfJ5t9z3JtConqqO65OvqcQWsRXIYVEVvHlwbkaiLDYTRODWF3l0ggHovPlobChqigrRuUarN4sRb3IsUPCtTLDQQ0gsepHoGSQ7PKDYmVRAOvDxOgHFD R7YjHtYKx5bU8kZDehlh6b628G61JnVFE/Vqsd5kEPdN5li8Pb1melS08sFFIBq7N0SuDtFs7iYcobe82Kxy/BOwrUEZRShod+M= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 13:20:18 -0000 The writing is on the wall. Looks like I am no longer welcome around here From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 9 13:27:21 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A5D0E8B1B1 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 13:27:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B35465268 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 13:27:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.18.98]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue007 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0LvulV-1f8Syg1tPR-017kOa; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 14:27:11 +0100 Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 14:27:11 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Baho Utot Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here Message-Id: <20171209142711.d5bd91b7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:609+6gICWcXAYD7GbNro98ph0Vg3LamyqaKaQJ+iiLjFy2T/CaL wb5a5gcoff6nt9nj96YCL13zkGIHTrGXsiKKJk992y+jcKW4feSZA2zyHtEo7UKjnew3SqO 7sOw4+8lXSCRD099jOb8LIXuMiSOjidRQffLV0Xk9gS1k8SbRap4sw5Ue486MkTuOeSZdVS MoNQ+op0RBYO3/KDukqMA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:VfQgicPbBns=:LTo9VIPbASUphYGL2fHgGT qOrbC5EqN+/fA5GrKSaMdRC4s/DWpijJ1LclghBMs6RtJ3ABHnwLBdTPI3WQz62GdJg0iuIWR Bo5kmS3a3brq1lDV+Fxf5Alh5RqCx/oEUKIQJANxX+gv5pzMzHAzflgFGgSSUGj0Mg59KXoJm sTV+x355uQJJmjnNeWlnphQ98IHkdghioiV7Kr65TDb2fNEBeMZIpgG9iApwybBHJ5e9BGGR3 1EO9pRN6foD/yoL0tYMakaNDLjtGEvLRQfKvnZCgByCSq/cvJ68fd5czgTchRsg0ap2tGqmfT efCmKFBKFOouL0vChqzTtp8ZO5uPAGxpRa2fAGO+pOHdlUhk9PzLQiQpznPVPcQfiD7ZnX2r5 saVAIsOAUnAucEvUegmIkt4IB+aZT6vAC08O1GpH6WiQ5K/qNatBBsQUm7u2rYo26TcZ7RQXt Tpd4uxYh+Ns9XRXe99QrgTr/w7s0Q5PeKYoYPTQyxRAdN+jL6FtfEUxg9Bujpc8/p18jyI7rB zVElZX/ilkERXpCOqHi+35am3gcm0kMcpR6HbDz3WXZ/9tAiiMm8Z40hHbPVTP7zRwEDQXEcc f/7UcMiatx43OdhaBNUWP+B6sjalpKSLQ72xj1ZwCtyDIG221X9urlZ3WWLh24xtJX2PYrfDb C3YrNV96pVP2eb3z0QAkD1BzrwW1lQqUuFfqgRNOkF7/sq4lFUb1H7IpG4ijcFPJHAEshVLof IEViFcVs3fzQmj203pSFE2QnXKtupBeDP44dCTh197xRH7mKgNJKtan2aUM= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 13:27:21 -0000 On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 08:20:11 -0500, Baho Utot wrote: > The writing is on the wall. > > Looks like I am no longer welcome around here What makes you believe that? I am _not_ speaking for any community or other people, it's just a honest question raised by myself... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 9 14:10:15 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4ECE8C4CB for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 14:10:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57DF7668F3 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 14:10:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.18.98]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue105 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0Mddoi-1eiVip08Ts-00POSs; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 14:45:47 +0100 Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 14:45:46 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Baho Utot Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Questions About Message-Id: <20171209144546.77774b16.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20171127170322.7aaca527bebc2ec32ec95c58@sohara.org> <25393.128.135.52.6.1511807312.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:ON1OyJci+raO/ZmpHz9c8GUkW08J53Bz2Fxt+3YeEIO+y2CS+Zm 8YnD5hbeTmSrtW6aK8QgZ7U/IO2JBqKcOWxfKSrIAu8/rc737aZ2E9dUyq9igJo/XO5FIOB d7kTsfBkoJgYVphx2bTMR1cmqNRosSPYRyhK7aytWIUVbIJKP6vVG37SGKzDTyNvwxGbrQw RLAaUAkowjkOw9wIxUO4Q== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:gbmTzhKLBqw=:B27/Y/JlrfOExLYgvyREuk OAfggO2MlaTlgE79j2Ufyqr9LvxHQMGHZPxpCscmlZynTdrXprTTvkP3bt1eujTjqzR77N25O RmiT69aP1MhX65zcgc1tPjc0qp+QsOhLVCBxfg+4SReSLFMXoy+3b+4LsjJnOO0DcmK6w8D/i W6hBFoHSD8BUYqR1On3id+t44FAbOsHoCbYXnHSE1w4J7laYD83LoPCiy61r+itwks5UdlCJo +BxGdp7pB1WF21k0Zz8VK7EWw/ey83CPJjpBbN8yaLVuJMm21PZioZbyes3BhckA7sSvR22oE ZON06eKBc52HhU431RuPXIsgVl2y19Q0f6ruZtnynXvXwtC4nN/iuCniOaPnwtBJVY5315ZZR ZWwt+CCUFqnXmBXJ3RGlnRHQjrTLW4enNmytwXeBgajc0qbIoXweJJgOPNT9XDo8U6TA6tRZX AoQDzaMQT4Uvsc+lhuYbXBBCo+WTJwaHk2+1jCCXPBeenp/Eg5gCpJYVWA/upTkl/LGFJsj3f R5pT4aVQrZRiUokWtkKksfq3kRFNfjja844SkI984yQhGm8CsNEcjqkPVPgvdqgcHLdYkiMZ2 l5OsUIJ2blzJn7/g4gHPSWyXffxsnTVg861y0jWnJYaS/kncoN5/DXwh8esM5Dx+uzJkJEENb 4pRxpqCuILKKiZ+JS9ObKC6E+M3pGjlpVBd6tpSYbX9rFbrm5hBS3cME61iMX2ARmDDENInWE iKyZr+rA3q4sGAdZzqxQDBh2yMFwjO6m50Ba3AL9W/7MKioodNKHb3VsGm0= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 14:10:15 -0000 On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 17:36:55 -0500, Baho Utot wrote: > > > On 11/27/17 13:28, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > > On Mon, November 27, 2017 11:03 am, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > >> On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 22:04:16 +0530 > >> Rahul raj wrote: > >> > >>> How Different Bsd operating system from Linux ? > >> > >> That's a very big question. > > > > Small question, but calling for big answer ;-) I certainly am not as > > knowledgeable as Steve O'Hara-Smith is. I just would add Linux refugee > > prospective. > > > > Over 5 years ago I started seriously looking which system to migrate Linux > > servers to. The reason (one of them) was: on average you have to reboot > > Linux every 45 days. There is either kernel update or glibc update, so you > > have to reboot. Compared to that FreeBSD only has updates requiring reboot > > about once a year. Recently there were other big turns Linux took which > > very many who use Linux dislike a lot (systemd, firewalld, and friends). > > This can be considered question of taste, but for me that just confirmed I > > was right when decided to flee servers to FreeBSD. My favorite CentOS > > Linux (aka binary replica of RedHat Enterprise) became more like MS > > Windows, and farther away from UNIX IMHO. > > > > Good luck making right choice. You can install two systems on the same > > machine, and start using both, then you will make your own choice based on > > your own experience. If it is server I would strongly recommend FreeBSD > > (or any of close relatives like NetBSD). If it is workstation, it may be > > simpler to install FreeBSD based TrueOS (formerly known as PC_BSD). I, > > however, preferred a bit more works and have FreeBSD on my workstation and > > on my PC laptop. > > > > Steve mentioned FreeBSD handbook. I would say, FreeBSD is the best > > documented system IMO. > > > > Just my $0.02 > > > > Valeri > > > > Actually Arch Linux is the best documented system. FreeBSD has nothing > that is even close to the docs on Arch Linux site. Well, I wouldn't go as far as (mostly) saying "FreeBSD's documentation is far inferior to what Arch Linux offers" (this is what your statement seems to imply), but of course I agree that Arch has good documentation, even when it comes to non-english languages (which is a _big_ problem especially for commercial software!). I can only talk about the german version of course, which is (more or less) up to date. The Arch documentation people put lots of work in keeping the documentation current and correct, which is not easy with a quickly moving target like Linux (in general). > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installation_guide FreeBSD's handbook covers all installation steps: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall.html > https://bbs.archlinux.org/ > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/ > > https://security.archlinux.org/ > > https://bugs.archlinux.org/ > > https://aur.archlinux.org/ FreeBSD has its equivalents for those topics (bug tracking, source code access, online manuals, Wiki). > And this doesn't even account for all the mail list not the IRC channels I don't know if there are FreeBSD-related IRC channels (but I assume there are), but the mailing lists (164!) allow both a general and a specific approach to discussion: https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo > And they are very helpful Just as this mailing list here. ;-) Also consider the offline resources (!) FreeBSD provides for documentation, such as man pages, handbook, or FAQ, as well as the documentation supplied with the software included. In my opinion, this is especially useful if you don't have Internet connection for some time, but still need to find out stuff. Scattering documentation across the web, in discussion forums, wikis, project pages and arbitrary user web pages can be very problematic for the user, as you can understand. The general attitudes "nobody needs documentation" or "let the users deal with documentation" are not helpful. Of course providing good, current and correct documentation takes time and requires skilled people, so _honoring_ the present documentation is an important effort by the users. FOSS projects allow users to contribute back. This is very different from "deal with it, you won't get anything else, and if it isn't working, it is your fault" mentalities usually found in commercial software is something you obviously don't want to have in FOSS. Allow me an additional note: FreeBSD's overall design is something that people _think_ about: All things have their place, and those places can be logically predicted. For almost anything, there is a manpage: for system binaries, configuration files, kernel interfaces, library calls, maintenance procedures and so on - all of them locally available and searchable without Internet connection. As a developer, I don't just value that "normal" documentation, but also "implicit" documentation that the source code consits of (plus the "explicit" documentation provided in comments). Especially this is where FreeBSD is superior than many Linux projects in my opinion (and my experience, which is limited, simply because I cannot compare everything to anything). If you have to deal with kernel or library sources to integrate your components with the OS, you'll be happy about such a great resource. In this area, FreeBSD is definitely not inferior to Linux. I'd even say: In this _specific_ case it's even better. But as I said - this is just my very individual opinion, as my days of Linux OS-level development are over. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 9 14:42:41 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C68E8D2BB for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 14:42:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weaver@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCE7B67C86 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 14:42:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weaver@riseup.net) Received: from piha.riseup.net (unknown [10.0.1.163]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4AD51A024B for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 06:42:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1512830555; bh=QB50xlYxFpeSh1fxhe9mAChRMcC3YTjTO0Wu6VQ0IX0=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=ckTq/5V3DtUGAf+t2UFygPpqLgX5zT4bbN7VLojyPlgk5hjfmEZqWOu8z2+NlAAvu Tg3IVDD+lBGFxvCNJ/H7bM6CSE7QycgxSKdlnUWUd3uUPDnHAmTtxEptWjaIxoNkFh LtMFPObAjfrojXRWIDXoaKoIpYyqzQFJyqchaawo= X-Riseup-User-ID: 7D8DB5C638E88B661128A85833A12C4CBD760803DF3BBFFAB8ECE295A7EB5940 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by piha.riseup.net with ESMTPSA id 2E578229272 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 06:42:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 06:42:39 -0800 From: Weaver To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here In-Reply-To: References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 14:42:41 -0000 On 2017-12-09 23:20, Baho Utot wrote: > The writing is on the wall. > > Looks like I am no longer welcome around here Which wall are you referring to? I confess to having missed the message. -- 'My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I'm right'. ― Ashleigh Brilliant Registered Linux User: 554515 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 9 14:46:12 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD880E8D551 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 14:46:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x231.google.com (mail-it0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80D4767F3A for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 14:46:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x231.google.com with SMTP id z6so8842983iti.4 for ; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 06:46:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=y61M+yIqjXzCDqZohkOlZIfCNhGWRX1mvITSghBUcKE=; b=HRU+YVVbwjcemK8IlAaOUvE1WSg8p9V/XafB6LuwrtnzzyL1PUY2byHtFnI9MbtJDn +vdMlk6TPbLnfXrjpxfprcTmfSw8tgZRzgdIfMawrX1mEEqKFUIVUvqDJ6dlhvS0fROV fbiSPC4NA1ctuS+aB/n6LvVIsMLdgIKNV2Fma3k6ZZHI36yX6o4gScWuAR1oJSbl43OQ EhPlrVKLjdD981N+6ejEqQmLkgCDLQnzTc8vwTs8zWHlG79Ki7SsiICSzjCbZsdJf0E7 U69q9ZhuVXarXxqUkF3H+4tIFD7rJjFQHcAIP1K+Dz3+ivHRxpBsS0Li88Prd2cG+TSx yg5Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=y61M+yIqjXzCDqZohkOlZIfCNhGWRX1mvITSghBUcKE=; b=ArTvFdGnuhdiJvNr81cbP9MkvJEaX0Ng0FZVlsbAmXapLjlxdaTtUu56imFTDpbOCq IBlNIF43gzfw8BPLOKrlpfASWKBnBc/klCSL09jJmU8pZlT+LFn+zSOoF1QPqakYfCVA pNE+NDTXT7cf4xcp4hUnGoKS2VbjLSnFunTaHMLnmK8Wyl8CAb+scr6FIMaePsgzDvog FbTLaH+iBANOHBA2qfW7TRQFflIQAX23t+dhs2SKzD3fVlE24qGyIqxDmvy7/+AXHJs7 s1y88/tJxGAy8MBsvpvafq8aDvVQxVCgSyLfpkso4iR4DR0EZr/KJqRtRpJneJPtZXaJ PomQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLRDBLApEXSP0gN2OJi4eOyzN2ZJRBW6nO0b5F/wlm9wYSCKoli XKDmCPexj4qQ8J9m/GOdCgq1tluJEZpnbQYorq0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMa/hR9wdTyFdWGILiyTCwi/nWnDUEh83C2J4xk5pYq9aZyl0hvayx5WUml4JBBUzSi3aIx7mFk3K/agWmqN18I= X-Received: by 10.36.116.135 with SMTP id o129mr9531949itc.119.1512830771684; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 06:46:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.11.31 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 06:46:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> From: blubee blubeeme Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 22:46:11 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here To: Weaver Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 14:46:12 -0000 On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 10:42 PM, Weaver wrote: > On 2017-12-09 23:20, Baho Utot wrote: > > The writing is on the wall. > > > > Looks like I am no longer welcome around here > > Which wall are you referring to? > I confess to having missed the message. > > -- > 'My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I'm right'. > =E2=80=95 Ashleigh Brilliant > > Registered Linux User: 554515 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Things get heated on the list but to be honest, contribute and keep it moving. Unless someone attacks u it's nothing personal, get thick skin and keep on rolling. If u wanna bounce, bounce if not keep on working on improving the OS in ways that are interesting to you. Nobody is forcing you to leave, that's ur own personal decision. If u see software that's not a part of FreeBSD and you'd like it to be, port it, submit it and get it accepted or whatever. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 9 15:12:35 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0838E8DEAC for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 15:12:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22e.google.com (mail-it0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF22968A61 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 15:12:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id 68so8784338ite.4 for ; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 07:12:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=vvISx/uyoXEvqNn13yeYLnlvvtzAaHaxMFRGoYUVUio=; b=L0gflNxaUf5wJ+cKuecHyZfQpcBMEbkwxpaTREEBQBSjn7BOB2N3zRR4xIFSndE5Wy 0aEtgUGztC1QrNJKXVYB13cfeV7JO4mtmgXZVcmU7rH6qhQCvQO/fDIAWubfLKZkqV1C q3a5PVmVh2m6WF/f+jhb11kI6fdccsqDcus5jIh016P7VSvlmtPzVEVV9fZxAoSXCSye mhfCIbvrZFvk0JuloiDHN+PVHCV5PvS68Z23Mw2yxzM1IGZBgPTnjmfH+IExKtax/4Uw R5Ukv4nC3cFkVCSx2zYPeZonGR64uUnC7x1jFCi//NuK66MKpNzy9zeNoUg2TeiH9XI1 L23g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=vvISx/uyoXEvqNn13yeYLnlvvtzAaHaxMFRGoYUVUio=; b=ikrbXoiuiSh1HZ9FIk/NpNH5tvFEZJelIPQGVoikDYiTZGJASG00KIQDRpWbhiqWqd qNjtp0APo0EirlOfbne0eZ1pJCXkGU6KZV8lwaxE/6Y3E5KrN7XtcdLRhllnd8co6Hlu CGQ964Vi2JT33hHsmnp++KwqvI0nwGl29067hRO2j9tlqaIAbVzToVtfudrpLXHxWywE n6sAnqdNPyXzS5lxo33R8tcIN9myi5HiPzWGj8Yv3HtaawPg8uGk+WHlQWUiGpIqF3C4 AYzF4hMU7dQOFCjBAD71bMnTYFg5syZzQHEE3KOrLOpyyTxizHtni8m60Lq29TSc5ROV uT5g== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mKPR2U9I6kmRCmqbdebWeqsgdU62aGHkFTOrD+buw5tRGFLNA5f DJXvER7TV7LoW6wGJnHHI4FnpjGVH8JxWqikKDI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZUkItI3y5CCRIMQtd0tqD2JReCPLTuumbsLjp9UOCv6Bl3hg/DKA3k3xp57QvshkqfTwXOHMpVs7Yi9BloLPw= X-Received: by 10.36.36.213 with SMTP id f204mr10274426ita.89.1512832354799; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 07:12:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.36.105.3 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 07:12:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 10:12:34 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here To: Baho Utot Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 15:12:36 -0000 On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Baho Utot wrote: > The writing is on the wall. > > Looks like I am no longer welcome around here > > If you are referring to being banned from -ports@ I think someone just had a knee jerk reaction and banned any "trouble maker" (anyone who doesn't *LOVE* flavors and it forcing you to use something bloated like synth and/or poudiere). Even though I only posted there twice in the last year something I said most of ticked the same person off because I was also banned for what appears to me no rational reason. -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 9 15:29:40 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73FEE8E53A for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 15:29:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-cmomta01.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 706F9690D3 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 15:29:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from raspberrypi.bildanet.com ([65.186.81.207]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id Nh4IenyHUdX1SNh4Le6W77; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 15:29:37 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] (helo=desktop.example.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eNh4I-0007kJ-5q for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 15:29:34 +0000 Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209142711.d5bd91b7.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <4b109558-8422-a62a-9c45-748e03efbfba@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 10:29:34 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171209142711.d5bd91b7.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfJat7YiFklaXJNEI7GfRX54iXFbObtTw+kCdNAHYe1hz2JKjhJnTA6UfaAENtbiSpiol8CLmbdn/E/HmIuKc7gSJd6r7nVL03mH0r8HsNOX1vlHQwoX6 aL2F0/WifnTNFCqnJPIzqctVl404NYcIMpx/h0yMVLkKZSZW9FNEDBIFGZh3l8rsVlFZK0fYRAL+EyWWKCars5/S6wVW+wartZw= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 15:29:40 -0000 On 12/09/17 08:27, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 08:20:11 -0500, Baho Utot wrote: >> The writing is on the wall. >> >> Looks like I am no longer welcome around here > > What makes you believe that? /rant on Because when I have something to say I get jumped on and I have been removed from all the mailing lists except this one. It is a matter of time and I will be kicked from this one. Maybe this list was missed when I was kicked from the others > > I am _not_ speaking for any community or other people, > it's just a honest question raised by myself... > They don't like to be called out or have some one be critcal of the "new" flavor system or any "new" thing that comes down the pike. It has caused a butt load of issues with my systems here. Any way I have started to update my scratch built linux systems, because this 5 year trial of FreeBSD has just been fraught with an unbelievable work load just to make it function. Some of the issues: Lack of direction. No transactions in pkg. One "bad" package and your system doesn't boot, so dig out the USB drive source head in-stability, or you could say base instability. ports in-stability... I was using Head then I was told to use quarterly and then told that it does not receive security updates, well not all and not on a regular basis. Then I was told to use head WTF? Hell most people here don't even know why you should be building in a clean room and you should build packages as a user not as root. You should not even use root even when you do the make install. Tried to tell them why, all I got was "shut up you know nothing". no packaged base, the packaged base just isn't usable, and no one wants to listen to alternatives. After trying packaged base no one could tell me how to go back to the "old" method of updating base. Hell no one knew how to remove the base package entries in the pkg database. I found a way and it was trival. I have not updated base since 11.0 p10 as I am not up for fixing any breakage if it would occur. Lack of ability to use modern graphics cards on the "desktop", it seems to have taken a back seat to pkg development. Regular breakage when I use synth, that is just not acceptable. Can not boot ZFS raid system from a boot loader, I have to hit the "F8" key and select a drive to boot. No one seem to know if grub2 would work. when I started using freebsd ver 10.1 I was told just wait for rev 11 and package base will be there.....Really? Now out of the blue sendmail is going to bite the dust in version 13, if that is really true. Given the lack of finishing things I have my doubts. The move from gcc to clang does not appear to me to have been completed. BTW what is wrong with GCC, works for me. The move off of GNU software in base was to have been completed and has not been. I was looking for a "system" to use in my entire organization and though freebsd would work accross the different archs. I was completely wrong. These are the only things that come to mind, I have had to endure others. If one is going to be doing major changes how about doing them one at a time and actually finishing them. So you see I see freebsd as a nightmare on elm street, so I need to return to something stable and something that makes sense. Incapatibilies plays a part too. Which for me will be my own "scratch built distro". /rant off From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 9 15:33:06 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C36E8E7E3 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 15:33:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-cmomta03.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6545469456 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 15:33:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from raspberrypi.bildanet.com ([65.186.81.207]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id Nh8yeyb8ymG8pNh91ePzpX; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 15:34:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] (helo=desktop.example.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eNh7d-0007km-GB for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 15:33:01 +0000 Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 10:33:01 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfDZW4jftNtWwM1QRTlZPyBar2Ph2jh9eeeoIR4BeP8Vpgt1PHh7zhYQpmW7fMHAaWEUmHTXjTQ5RGf3dEcaeKOkUeLdTCwj0zZRjfVgvYONythuAQKth H6cRcBpbs1Jz04FpZcrvz6ImwKh6v/wqDDXtx+RjD7z8+po4Gu9HDt+uHTLtSoE+j6qUnVl+fy9wG2zsv3FF83hpbEEXKH0YHEI= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 15:33:06 -0000 On 12/09/17 09:46, blubee blubeeme wrote: > On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 10:42 PM, Weaver wrote: > >> On 2017-12-09 23:20, Baho Utot wrote: >>> The writing is on the wall. >>> >>> Looks like I am no longer welcome around here >> >> Which wall are you referring to? >> I confess to having missed the message. >> >> -- >> 'My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I'm right'. >> ― Ashleigh Brilliant >> >> Registered Linux User: 554515 >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- >> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > Things get heated on the list but to be honest, contribute and keep it > moving. > Unless someone attacks u it's nothing personal, get thick skin and keep on > rolling. > > If u wanna bounce, bounce if not keep on working on improving the OS in > ways that are interesting to you. > > Nobody is forcing you to leave, that's ur own personal decision. If u see > software that's not a part of FreeBSD and you'd like it to be, port it, > submit it and get it accepted or whatever. I tried that, didn't work. So I am going back to my scratch build linux From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 9 15:36:07 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0C1E8E9D0 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 15:36:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@outlook.com) Received: from NAM04-CO1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092010063.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.10.63]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "Microsoft IT SSL SHA2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9FEE696EC for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 15:36:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@outlook.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outlook.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=iK94352NHCcc7qzwECjw7nsDpi3iMfv0PR2WvuL4/lg=; 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ON Saturday, December 9, 2017 10:13 AM, Aryeh Friedman stated: > On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Baho Utot > wrote: >=20 > > The writing is on the wall. > > > > Looks like I am no longer welcome around here > > > > > If you are referring to being banned from -ports@ I think someone just ha= d a > knee jerk reaction and banned any "trouble maker" (anyone who doesn't > *LOVE* flavors and it forcing you to use something bloated like synth > and/or poudiere). Even though I only posted there twice in the last year > something I said most of ticked the same person off because I was also > banned for what appears to me no rational reason. Just my own opinion; however, I do not consider synth, unlike poudriere, to= be bloated. --=20 Carmel --=-=bdxah5au3985H7=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEE9tDfUr+DZFx2LBH5fAHyLI67EOAFAlosAs0ACgkQfAHyLI67 EOBXNQf+Lr71v3kUHrZkPHhuxGS/FwODA5yOuUm8ghEZmM971qQCZU0KU+M98aGd 62m1qm8SLfpQTpueDVX/oOAf/AH5yOW/PgiX8GpmXMsXtu+KPeAtMuctvK+aFKZg 8+T8bBjNFdAeRcdvak7U2KhBqs4MqFNJb79xnnhg6deC8M7himSQNb1wIqhrD+76 KRL0Wj7mOKPv/h/hXwIQV2vcZ92titM2ND1Isn3u1DKmS3qgI3wKmYZyGwPy/P4o v5my9iH9Oi/3ak6wtP/n7eieeg0lYETZY1T+5OPubRx3eBMTtJNXzDqRmn7tB4nw oJK3IWw/61shIS3LEKUWvRNxhu8Rog== =FFag -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=bdxah5au3985H7=-=-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 9 15:36:13 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB53E8E9F4 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 15:36:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-cmomta01.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82A13696FA for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 15:36:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from raspberrypi.bildanet.com ([65.186.81.207]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id Nh7ce8EG9fiK5Nh7fezmSt; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 15:33:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] (helo=desktop.example.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eNhAZ-0007kx-IO; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 15:36:03 +0000 Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 10:36:03 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfKR0x2ft+CccrV0WYLc/sYnAYkdOzKdiHsb8YZ5x0RdSbJptQ5WyHx0/YClkqenkImyI5JC332ATv7+yjzZSzdjitMmmwdu/V1hn4j/0UyPGFXXoxu3C FUlJvD16PZywT0tT8HjxpSS8BZRoyVym+PKbQwjXuJpevfIgSn+8jCA+QTaQaR+jNyNH7xd15lWa/c+YAOsmsh0337E44t9sY/WzmR6LIssKZE26lW9J9uh2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 15:36:13 -0000 On 12/09/17 10:12, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Baho Utot > wrote: > > The writing is on the wall. > > Looks like I am no longer welcome around here > > > If you are referring to being banned from -ports@ I think someone just > had a knee jerk reaction and banned any "trouble maker" (anyone who > doesn't *LOVE* flavors and it forcing you to use something bloated like > synth and/or poudiere).   Even though I only posted there twice in the > last year something I said most of ticked the same person off because I > was also banned for what appears to me no rational reason. > -- > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org It is all good. I am returning to a sane world of building my own scratch built linux system, which is what I did before coming to freebsd. I really have an issue with we'll are doing this our way and you can just sit down and shut up. Anyway I'll be on my on built system by january, freebsd loss I expect. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 9 16:07:39 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95033E8FD59 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 16:07:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D306ABCC for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 16:07:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39886602 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 22:02:49 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vB9G7X9u006818 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 23:07:35 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id vB9G7UKL006817 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 23:07:30 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 23:07:30 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here Message-ID: <20171209160730.GA3370@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 16:07:39 -0000 Carmel NY wrote: > > Just my own opinion; however, I do not consider synth, unlike poudriere, to be bloated. I don't even consider poudriere bloated. It is neat, does not require weird dependencies or GUI libs, stores its configuration in text files, uses the standard ports and jail infrastructure. Why would anyone call it bloated? -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN AS43859 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 9 18:53:03 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4741FE94B85 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 18:53:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0E0171118 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 18:53:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.18.98]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue101 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MeShL-1ehKnU00MB-00QADX; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 19:52:59 +0100 Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 19:52:58 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Victor Sudakov Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here Message-Id: <20171209195258.d4727a94.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20171209160730.GA3370@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209160730.GA3370@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:YWkP/rCzaDB4uUj6kHPGdv44DXscqN+L3o3jMcRrHFnCR1Z+eZJ ZPmm1h0I+GrnRVJPrChn6w5nzalA8U0+yVZnaVGleUZykQkwg2O/Q85vHDv/Y4J9FIsda0B Q5nOAQGV1JZ4tSvSBI4MR0Hmzf08xGSiUKacg0rozDwxbUM6rsMNuTkVImfgfYUha+VKhXb 2mXCWK+JiGxPJAtIMxZVQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:7xhLvnWQurU=:+m3hKGFQEYaN9khZVf3g55 bjACYOWdfusuBs2zQmShmjdnfpq+7dRn5/eY+pgsElDRYtX2wpQDfcbYL+TyCt6j9PbQWrwLe WeyByorqEiPKTGZyfQf/p0Agzm0wdE22+DzVwKor4jvhhmof5bMEszbPVp1TlnD96GoXu+KBn jhvqdHxslR3pT4Fmgfv1F7GCOJlDRSzTlCQ9+mVjJDZF59LUGPFSrTDL9EFTiCHwTWOc78fDL lz1NK81f1wmvVTJzOFONZUcXXQhEFbriiXdYQhjwyxCEZ3YBToDL7AzG94Yf4AvDpw9ENmngj FcCLGc3bd9vaAjIlhH1hTuhaHztiioeJTvPxnH039EycXphhPHYQiOqy0AmF7IqiH5QUetNoR P3UFMdwOMee2JRaYW1wajUndyZPJSE8c8HRLlFhOjgI25IaBAKG/kRAFdva6Lycyy86uT6YRT NMwRnTjJiuyaC+nkKcx+l3cS988WTBM9iWpAit8cmgLpGRbXvE5cjsRtP9twmIwkh5rY1u8ji LA87Xsq6frA/GSE4Cuzy9RGdIGCpxEYTO5OjIGDHmALvUPYeAPa3jTT7Fsh8GKefOMFm3M9U1 GIAGIq1TGDJp4kjs8nFg5ogqoMl2wucAtrrdzbOHzsLIVlYHWX71Lp301fW5yKhXeDcYlMoFX ikptOjUizPEE/MCO+Qh0/L2Rp3MoxTQyOTuYnCzhw8kT5x+jduIbopanV7wfDULM2vCjlwZ13 BE+DeTNlA5JtmzS/RmrNDP54L3xNG10ILbeu7cqhQjs/8C6vhahDUx9islU= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 18:53:03 -0000 On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 23:07:30 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Carmel NY wrote: > > > > Just my own opinion; however, I do not consider synth, unlike poudriere, to be bloated. > > I don't even consider poudriere bloated. It is neat, does not require > weird dependencies or GUI libs, stores its configuration in text > files, uses the standard ports and jail infrastructure. Why would > anyone call it bloated? Not exactly bloated, but it could be considered "overhead" just to build one or two ports. However, Poudriere is not intended as a replacement for portmaster or portmanager, that's important to keep in mind. And for the specific case I mentioned, local repositories and restricted lists are the way to go. If even that's too much, the classic "make install" and "pkg lock" will probably be okay. Except for the name, I don't dislike anything specific about Poudriere. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 9 19:23:29 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765FCE95842 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 19:23:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E679D7227C for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 19:23:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.18.98]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue102 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0Lc8iD-1enR1D13VV-00jc4m; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 20:23:22 +0100 Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 20:23:21 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Baho Utot Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here Message-Id: <20171209202321.b9919fc3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4b109558-8422-a62a-9c45-748e03efbfba@columbus.rr.com> References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209142711.d5bd91b7.freebsd@edvax.de> <4b109558-8422-a62a-9c45-748e03efbfba@columbus.rr.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:b2WVvMsLbsNnIABfcAfbBvlM4fEQmCBOG7YklesWS4z6RvXuADC uqH4tpPZ4qabwq/454xteNCOxHHWUbci2oDFObbc84/hf4T3hKchJxKXTlUcJwfE34zQQTf ZqT7v9wu+ulelvrAmhNmgCjLh9yN9ILlh6GggB7pFkZWNznWqBC/lieQbomB2mH9oWPqbPT wyMqdMMpVsLbSaPvQr7qw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:g2gfMqgCAjI=:+5MJMjY/uOCqJb1VWkjejD xKhB+/14aqg59hakuIUxPZzbP3SS8ii/ZenGH+mXK1gK2X+2XiriObinDL8twhiCNo6vmLgcB AFIpyVxnrKXNfwS11VGeYe+47cMdODLBamcJwijMB/4jPOgkKL3tHhOu5MuYlYtWIPJvRbg3z 6FBa4cOC5Lt96mka42q9CFXjByfZl1q5jbw4fpO4hkL1LAyTFLgTDvjuZDBNMn/lCoGRJ+yEL 0P0BdQS3oIiE9PO0KHL+QCr7U1pcfSVpEA0C0agEoMdTnk3vjtAa0VdHZ1MKQieL2uFekHEpy 8TXPZ+RSXZA7SNW0xAfU0xew3S7+QJ6IwHwmOSIfEoB+OPZGvd29NsBdouxF7Rpd3LP++sBa3 j4qlXf4sEZ2r2l/DJxfuQ4PUfuuWvmz4ZTPZIB8PEMqEPIlML4dckkan1Rnxb7ArDnq/oSZok 4Rq7RN1ThWCtBq0vnBB+P8M7I7s6riDnMwvVhsiQtU4VsPETZgzgzwvjBP8Gx95oClek4Zfnj 6g6ZDoR9V9BK/6yMsyAJiJHaER6Gdezq84X1BFBWFqCK4eB82oBvGBhrYe/eTA3zIQagw4qS1 tz7+4nQLfKel4ciJUO7hQtkfICX32pVcmvaN1bw3BzniP9qGYQPo3y511LILrYZscDc/DjXSV ouRTjLS16EIq7f6jSZDebmWZ/LQr+gsVVOuOCuBJ+gEAqXNOdy4xgT13whPsGBVTkADLcnb4j KOxdcUNNSgGftkHjmsAdca+oVq0IrxTdSvx/UYPwhuo/UVeOaeiBome6F+Y= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 19:23:29 -0000 Please allow me a few comments regarding your rant (which has some valid point, but in my opinion illustrates a little lack of understanding of how some things on FreeBSD work): > They don't like to be called out or have some one be critcal of the > "new" flavor system or any "new" thing that comes down the pike. It has > caused a butt load of issues with my systems here. In that case, "they" would have kicked me more than once for expressing that I don't like the sc -> vt transition (which, as I might mention again, is one of the biggest show stoppers, because vt isn't a fully working replacement of sc, and it can do only a fraction of what sc could, and even that only at bad quality, and it's hardly documented). Now let's see what happens. :-) > Any way I have started to update my scratch built linux systems, because > this 5 year trial of FreeBSD has just been fraught with an unbelievable > work load just to make it function. THis is in fact a big deal - but usually this list is very helpful if you're willing to "do your homework". > Some of the issues: > > Lack of direction. > > No transactions in pkg. One "bad" package and your system doesn't boot, > so dig out the USB drive That exactly is the situation on Linux, where even the kernel is just a package. FreeBSD has a strong barrier between the operating system and 3rd party applications (that come from the ports collection). Even with damaged ports (or with _no_ ports), the system will still boot. Sure, certain additional services might not be started, but that's not a problem for the OS. In worst case, /usr/local is removed altogether, its structure rebuilt from the /etc/mtree/ file, pkg gets boot- strapped - and you're ready to install new ports cleanly. The OS does not care. However, I am not sure how the new packaging approach will handle this. As you might have read, pkg will be used for installing and upgrading OS files in the future, so there will not be the big difference "freebsd-update" and "pkg update" / "pkg upgrade". > source head in-stability, or you could say base instability. Only tested and verified changes will be in RELEASE. Then there is STABLE, which only contains additional components that will be in the next RELEASE. From here, security patches will be "extracted", so they can be applied to RELEASE. And finally, there's CURRENT or HEAD. This is where development takes place. A feature might be added, and the build from source breaks. A few hours later, ir builds again, but the result makes the system crash upon reboot. Next day, the added feature is entirely gone. This is fully acceptable for the HEAD branch. Common consensus is to use RELEASE and the security patches. This can be done with freebsd-update easily. For those who wish to experiment with bleeding-edge software, STABLE is the right choice, but it requires building from source. And those who are applying experimental (!) changes, for example kernel and OS developers, or testers, use HEAD, fully aware of what I mentioned before. > ports in-stability... I was using Head then I was told to use quarterly > and then told that it does not receive security updates, well not all > and not on a regular basis. Then I was told to use head WTF? You are mixing ports and OS. The ports tree (and the corresponding repository) can be reset at RELEASE, you can choose a quarterly updated branch (often used in combination with a RELEASE-pX system), or you can keep your ports tree as current as possible. You can use tools like portsnap (snapshots) or svn (tracking), or just use the ports tree that came with your RELEASE install - it depends on what kind of software (versions) you intend to run. Always (!) choose your tools depending on the task. There is no "one size fits all egg-laying wool-milk-sow". ;-) > Hell most people here don't even know why you should be building in a > clean room and you should build packages as a user not as root. Nothing wrong with building packages as root (if you use the /usr/ports tree manually). For _installing_ packages, you'll need root permissions anyway, or do you wish Hinz & Kunz to be able to install arbitrary software on your system, with an ugly surprise for you later? ;-) > You > should not even use root even when you do the make install. Tried to > tell them why, all I got was "shut up you know nothing". Keep in mind that FreeBSD is (among others) a multi-user system, and that's why even on a PC you have a regular user and a root user. The non-root user can damaga his own $HOME as he likes, but should he be allowed to damage the whole system? Maybe for other users to suffer? No, that's the wrong approach. On Linux, "wget http://app.example.com | sudo bash" has become quite common. Do you think this is a good idea? Please read the command line, more than once, and look at each individual part. You'll find at least 5 things that are wrong... ;-) You _can_ install software locally (i. e., local to your user account), this is possible, but it often creates more problems than it solves. However, if you know what you're doing, there is nothing wrong with it. > no packaged base, the packaged base just isn't usable, and no one wants > to listen to alternatives. This is something still in development (and with potential of improvement). If implemented in a reliable and secure manner, it will probably be a positive thing. But only time will tell. > After trying packaged base no one could tell > me how to go back to the "old" method of updating base. You also cannot go back from pkg-based ports to the old way, because it's not supported anymore, the build environments do not exist anymore, and the old ways don't work anymore. But in your specific problem, downloading the source (with a RELEASE version preferred), from the distribution tarball or via svn, then building from source (as explained in the comment header of /usr/src/Makefile), should work. > Hell no one > knew how to remove the base package entries in the pkg database. The database is just a database, so a properly formed query should fix this. (I have never tried that, but basically, it should work.) > I > found a way and it was trival. I have not updated base since 11.0 p10 > as I am not up for fixing any breakage if it would occur. If I remember correctly, 11.0 doesn't use pkg-base as a default. > Lack of ability to use modern graphics cards on the "desktop", it seems > to have taken a back seat to pkg development. Nonsense. Even though you have to think before you buy, there are lots of modern graphics cards that work well on FreeBSD. And if you don't have a problem using nVidia's binary drivers, they usually work quite nicely and enable you a plethora of 3D stuff. And pkg has nothing to do with it, as those binary drivers are distributed binarily, so nothing can be ported. :-) > Regular breakage when I use synth, that is just not acceptable. I'm not using it, so no idea... > Can not boot ZFS raid system from a boot loader, I have to hit the "F8" > key and select a drive to boot. No one seem to know if grub2 would work. That would be worth testing. > when I started using freebsd ver 10.1 I was told just wait for rev 11 > and package base will be there.....Really? No. :-) > Now out of the blue sendmail > is going to bite the dust in version 13, if that is really true. Given > the lack of finishing things I have my doubts. Basic system functionality breaking is definitely worth creating a bug report. In case you cannot isolate the problem, the developers will be helpful and ask for specific outputs. > The move from gcc to clang does not appear to me to have been completed. > BTW what is wrong with GCC, works for me. It is primarily a licensing _and_ modularity issue. Of course you can use gcc _and_ clang on the same system. Building certain ports requires gcc, and sometimes requires a _specific_ gcc version. Nothing wrong here. > The move off of GNU software in base was to have been completed and has > not been. It probably isn't still completed, and there is also softeware from other licensing realms. Just check /usr/src/contrib to find out what's there. > I was looking for a "system" to use in my entire organization and though > freebsd would work accross the different archs. I was completely wrong. That might depend on your organization. Other places are happy FreeBSD-only installations. > If one is going to be doing major changes how about doing them one at a > time and actually finishing them. I wish they had been doing this with sc -> vt, but no... you want X _and_ text mode? NO SOUP FOR YOU! ;-) > So you see I see freebsd as a nightmare on elm street, so I need to > return to something stable and something that makes sense. > Incapatibilies plays a part too. > > Which for me will be my own "scratch built distro". Nothing wrong with that. I've been using "UNIX-like" distros like Slackware and Gentoo as well as "preconfigured" distros of and on, as well as "Linux from scratch". Experience and knowledge can be obtained that way. But every time I tried something that should be stable, fast, reliable, predictable, secure and easy to use in production, I always cam back to using FreeBSD. - Needless to say, this is my very individual opinion and experience, and I don't claim it will (or can) be the same for everyone everywhere at every time. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 9 19:41:39 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A20C4E95FC3 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 19:41:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x22b.google.com (mail-io0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6518972BE7 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 19:41:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id r13so2296244iod.2 for ; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 11:41:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=p4xy+CQK2Qiau8GGDj5aUrjpGubNoNYKOh/24AA31m0=; b=DOH2pN5WUct598YUd7QD48dS0k6Yw7zjLuhN9RnsKlw4bzEb+SUdRNMQLc1/fyMaF+ qRy5ajP2FVWEZX9owjJbvKprBZWfhDcD7WbpTQXu5MhI0UuQknfylZjxXHiEpwH8KIn6 uGRFY6G5+O2DridGmX55yXBMx/BbQIRvnqmKCewawmji1ZhzqTfNm2GAiqUr5Uk5gBLc XRa8dLv6P3+mKTjGuhZ6dUIrzr4uLREgFQ+X/MOcHf72xBdstX/5H6Fo5FJXBE35CdyK ODxiIy3X1bCM8PUk+sL9R+XIwDjzDg2U2hr9fYVgA6mtZl0k6e6pYFZRxLMqd1dTNkKR eQWA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=p4xy+CQK2Qiau8GGDj5aUrjpGubNoNYKOh/24AA31m0=; b=l4YKzgfEmZu9cE8J7+QeC6qCFyM2qlV+NtjOwSZqlwGzqE26oTWhvIZDSHw+oN7VM9 xBVhMgk7NOKUEm1f1ggo65+bNWTmH7iSZQ+j7kW9z4EI0PEF5Q6kVwgrxL40j2QCb5X8 fpfs/D86pi0FX8LoChwLvzFm0XuoVfyChAk+65VC35LLvskA7ZQEcxiIJTY1U8UIKu3x kTqeThTlkf9QTVYE0D93XClfk7l6KnrXOY7u7XAycXVyt8IJtHSKVHT31lTrqqpPeRwL RTg6DBcm/Psebs4au9Dkb6FKOW+mtlKLLW/1aM0SHLoaG6+jhrS4KUi7gDP5wvdsMNt1 Y+rw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLMJqbrSjwnszWPAKwIY6Nqf2E3w8oe1BqLiqqymZav0N0WBXXc UgKPQW3sYB1aBYdYvZJeREBr/Y5Us9tp1sS5GXk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbgyVbFtqFbKW0GZcUQD50iTeN3CO6Jp0gYKJFGNKZXJ8EpgfYrEzn8LvUKEilRe8uUqEXGXoTGn61pMyzhmEE= X-Received: by 10.107.180.14 with SMTP id d14mr13079026iof.231.1512848498785; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 11:41:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.36.105.3 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 11:41:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20171209195258.d4727a94.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209160730.GA3370@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20171209195258.d4727a94.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 14:41:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here To: Polytropon Cc: Victor Sudakov , FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 19:41:39 -0000 > Except for the name, I don't dislike anything specific about > Poudriere. ;-) > How do you pronounce it anyways? -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 9 19:50:21 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B861E962A7 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 19:50:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr0-x22f.google.com (mail-wr0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D190A73071 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 19:50:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id x49so13754509wrb.13 for ; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 11:50:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=SThhenfPqEW0BxdL/nwES3oJDg8I6HB1IgflqwRqGf0=; b=pmE0CYKOkFa1O6oJxPDDTozgp7ZkI6ecbOe6+RmDNcfr+5hwVjoyXfCQ6OZUw50ybC CcMqJgZDyuQaoNEtymurt+307u87W+UJboYaUt/ZAt4oi5gbTVdbwz7dLdgYY7XN7NX1 tNaazftJyz+r8bGbz4PZ2cKCBZceqSJmgorVCH9eAoHKuTTO2oCUn8CpL5fZ3Am0OGYB iPxg8DbJxqRpB9WZocp0Xz8s/vXVFcYf/cnoAK+ySVCisu5zz0yKVHwd42jMjgK23udh HSgXdFGHm0z05wz/4fA+3l2+NQ8R/7i1Yg8kek+4mwqa4yKWvFrxpEbmh6eoqRKNnSL1 Q1Ig== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=SThhenfPqEW0BxdL/nwES3oJDg8I6HB1IgflqwRqGf0=; b=K51ItY3UeOXeUTxh8yBswL8tFt5Vf6N71IAJpUoe2iHl0LYEVMq5XPSpojYPo3Cszy Gfxkg1v1f9M23/ixPy8bZJg13dpatojHtuV9yXybRDBXi8fq1im1V8S2+o+pinLtQf80 5DeYWnZnhQ1PXCWJNKsmGPudqeViuT4+OkumDsPuc3kZXxDXNBp2cMMn8FcpbZzlPzAD 6v9FG6CKFssdus8Fb7owCTd8OX+lRZr+KRvOZVBhiW8OHAqZ5Srm3R/xMQ+C5dQzogaK mEioQb/yhGc9zXVUcZAOHfWcrtD5cbA8dA7b55FpJT3xY6MY921O2ulL01boFB1EA+OQ UMrw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5bv493S7h17A7H1XuANsoK9hb74iWli2Nq72VXLUNmCEd62NB3 LK08VtOVRlLv4N3dDPwraRZHH93K0fDTYiZihYc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZ+ys3bgNlZ1j3Pi1DhsTm+jm8J2kliQuZOC41Rgz17rowdDu2rnGEhA/pqHBCUP5J3G3+n+DzLTbinSgcZmPQ= X-Received: by 10.223.151.197 with SMTP id t5mr28278691wrb.263.1512849018458; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 11:50:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.150.227 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 11:49:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Outback Dingo Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 14:49:37 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here To: Baho Utot Cc: Aryeh Friedman , FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 19:50:21 -0000 On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Baho Utot wrote: > > > On 12/09/17 10:12, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Baho Utot > > wrote: >> >> The writing is on the wall. >> >> Looks like I am no longer welcome around here >> >> >> If you are referring to being banned from -ports@ I think someone just had >> a knee jerk reaction and banned any "trouble maker" (anyone who doesn't >> *LOVE* flavors and it forcing you to use something bloated like synth and/or >> poudiere). Even though I only posted there twice in the last year >> something I said most of ticked the same person off because I was also >> banned for what appears to me no rational reason. >> -- >> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > > > It is all good. I am returning to a sane world of building my own scratch > built linux system, which is what I did before coming to freebsd. I really > have an issue with we'll are doing this our way and you can just sit down > and shut up. > > Anyway I'll be on my on built system by january, freebsd loss I expect. I could tell you a story of a similar situation 13 years ago.... IM STILL HERE. Do us and yourself a favor, let you work speak for itself.... Arguments and the like, or other seemingly bashed activities, Im sure its happened to everyone of us at some point and time. Even Im a very opinionated person. It doesnt mean the work you have done is useless to the community or that you should pull out. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 9 21:13:15 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352CDE98751 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 21:13:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vagabond@blackfoot.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E10F75F66 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 21:13:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vagabond@blackfoot.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 1D42EE98750; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 21:13:15 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B111E9874E for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 21:13:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vagabond@blackfoot.net) Received: from mx1.blackfoot.net (mx1.blackfoot.net [216.14.232.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC15B75F65 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 21:13:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vagabond@blackfoot.net) Received: from bmfe4.blackfoot.net ([66.109.128.164]) by mx1.blackfoot.net ({9cf3d135-7b6e-4041-a57b-61a932741f4e}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20171209210953443_0000 for ; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 14:09:53 -0700 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from webmail.blackfoot.net (unknown [192.168.100.126]) by bmfe4.blackfoot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60979608A8 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 14:08:50 -0700 (MST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 14:08:49 -0700 From: vagabond To: Freebsd Questions Subject: thunderbird causing system crash, need guidance Message-ID: <714b3ea002f0ec1419e3e48340906d84@blackfoot.net> X-Sender: vagabond@blackfoot.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.1.3 X-MAG-OUTBOUND: blackfoot.redcondor.net@66.109.128.164/32 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 21:13:15 -0000 Hi all, Looking for guidance diagnosing a system crash caused by attempting to start Thunderbird. 10.3-RELEASE-p20 FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p20 #0: Wed Jul 12 03:13:07 UTC 2017 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr /src/sys/GENERIC amd64 After running flawlessly for over a month, I started having sluggish behavior. Since this is a known problem with firefox 56, I exited and restarted it several times over the course of a few days. Then yesterday (2017-12-08) the system hung and crashed. I have narrowed the cause down to Thunderbird 52.4.0, or at least something associated with it. The system + X seem to still run fine; openoffice, firefox, gimp. When I attempt to start t-bird the cursor disappears almost immediately, followed by a long wait with the display apparently frozen, and then results in a crash and reboot. It seems t-bird should crash/dump core without crashing the system if it was just a t-bird problem, even if it's a bad binary image? I originally had crash dumps disabled, so changed dumpdev="NO" to "AUTO" in rc.conf but still no dump in /var/crash only thing in /var/crash is minfree, which says "2048" Normally 16GB RAM but I have removed 3 of the 4 sticks so only 4G now and still crashes. An issue for getting dumps may be my sys config, as /tmp and swap are memdisks, but I'm not sure as I don't know how it really works. The disk has no swap or tmp partition; I'm not sure how or if I can modify fstab or the config to get swap on disk for a crash dump save. From fstab: /dev/ufs/hd250G1root / ufs rw,noatime 1 1 /dev/ufs/hd250G1var /var ufs rw,noatime 2 2 /dev/ufs/hd250G1usr /usr ufs rw,noatime 7 3 tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,mode=01777 0 0 md99 none swap sw,file=/usr/swap/swap,late 0 0 /var is 16G It seems like it may be corrupted disk data, but I'm wondering if there's a good way to diagnose that; thought about rebuilding t-bird but wanted to try to isolate the problem first. Before rebuilding t-bird would it be wise to rename the t-bird binary and associated libs so any potentially bad disk sectors are still held? When the system started being particularly unresponsive, I exited firefox and restarted it (several times over the course of a few days). Then t-bird was slow, so I exited and restarted it. I *think* that's when the system first crashed. In the ~.thunderbird/xxx.default (profile) directory, the last date on any files is the "lock" symlink, from (I think) the first crash. Other files show times 27 min earlier, which may be the last time t-bird semi-successfully started up. Interestingly, deleting the "lock" symlink and attempting to restart t-bird results in the "lock" symlink being recreated with the same (old!) timestamp, Dec 8 21:08. The latest file before that is panacea.dat at Dec 8 20:50. There's a chance this is caused by an incompatible library; I've rebuilt and updated several ports over the past month, and I don't know if I restarted t-bird during that period. But again, I would expect t-bird to crash but not the system. Any and all thoughts welcome. Thanks, Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 9 21:26:14 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF055E98CDB for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 21:26:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@jeays.ca) Received: from beaver.sibername.com (siber08d-beaver.clients.netelligent.ca [205.204.89.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D66E76508 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 21:26:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@jeays.ca) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jeays.ca; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=liHNyUFVSIdASn8cVCAMKTISXIW0fMAswuO20MsVgIw=; b=OhSjdHrYFPcEPcBDRCI1u2MGHS s1Z7rJVK3TMYBMU0EBRShgW0Axpf8H3EHFDC+Os8xuVCT51tStN+hrkSThsfOGCzl4PgcwvRlqk8X IAoqybaza3KspMi+8qdriATwD; Received: from cpe10bf48915890-cmbc4dfbbee820.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com ([174.113.149.93]:38533 helo=[192.168.1.9]) by beaver.sibername.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eNlYI-000IJN-5Q for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 15:16:50 -0500 Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209160730.GA3370@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20171209195258.d4727a94.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Mike Jeays Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 15:16:49 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - beaver.sibername.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jeays.ca X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: beaver.sibername.com: authenticated_id: mike@jeays.ca X-Authenticated-Sender: beaver.sibername.com: mike@jeays.ca X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 21:26:14 -0000 Poo'-dri-air? On 17-12-09 02:41 PM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >> Except for the name, I don't dislike anything specific about >> Poudriere. ;-) >> > How do you pronounce it anyways? > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 9 21:38:18 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1457BE99302 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 21:38:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C91076C60 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 21:38:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.18.98]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue101 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0LkhLo-1ew16w27pU-00aZMM; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 22:38:14 +0100 Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 22:38:10 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: Victor Sudakov , FreeBSD Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here Message-Id: <20171209223810.8de0bbf7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209160730.GA3370@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20171209195258.d4727a94.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:xxpr6LOhJWZOQHQJka8B6BZAhmRsNzTVsoQ0mYL0r0xaAZi7R1E sLpkiHl+cSwoI2dgvTTRVxRYEvmSZ1ntFSaV47VmQMB9l+sJDt8gJq9DPAPlUGVYPmJrGIf JttHI6tdQVWV+GdOourxxn+FARZlEFQZID/iFl/8dbj14LLy82jjOxoFFDIwRCIUoFLy0ub fCjEnfS6m547S8XaWOlxQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:hJ30o5gnJjE=:NtxYQgMjfyg/GBLvy5mW/p hQcj2Ntglcn6RPV8/+jufISbSnGINrEcBCxniKvOwnPJidKp4ym5g8j2jit0/2Bjjl7/bztEk LMAsy0W2/JqYK5S9CzPI9BbruCuUMnsZJLPTVzBchEvBLeb3SzobVzY+KaHAinE4+NqQQhC3O IN/Rbd9pvcuPErRyjSXEIEz0TObfBj2BXHLl3+Oh7hTTWz7BiR6l0lku+uTpS7vjpt6/1KjGS 1gQGqGHO9r58LFv6+oBY7k9/l1krSejF4xoRxCgALfSDSylpy3haHqN7SYxwjXITzW/4j/8If BDwrLg+8qxzpxWyAGk9uo+bxWUnnnBA9ExgDsOFP+0qNDYGr+Z+4dClcUdnRemVmKy95DxcgD U+z4I+EtmnHpqqXFVwv82uEmJuglJlTlE6t8lVkyxeMCdSvNQzj1dvBqcWLHe5NuVYxiTFXZ+ /72UMwQw5FLg+Qmz8TzHAG24O7/gvPxa4lAPZfjMMbfl/vOeYeKXYVrgC8KFz9Ka4v2JZ+5Qa rd00ehECveuRDv0YhGNNArhITzmtiFu6Q1mD+yKa75kCRU1RHQQEUUCVwdmgGWnqF89hTk46I KpC0ai/YqHD0sopvYKeFeEpt69IWPmddQGF7YaHttnAI3jkoNw+hg/AXX1pZwckom3V69Mwaf GqekKVxI1+u/hgJWd5uTheq0zpZxaP+d2vGQ6NElrDyaJuGy0bA9IJausKB9XsZjQU1exeAMI 4UiFAFOhGEcj/g/r33CLUe3HLNYQRvjDSA0Jpnw5CDrB72A6gLwSGCXg0jI= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 21:38:18 -0000 On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 14:41:38 -0500, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > Except for the name, I don't dislike anything specific about > > Poudriere. ;-) > > > > How do you pronounce it anyways? In Germany, "poo-dree-ray". :-) Why not an easy to understand abbreviation, "BPS = batch packaging service", or "FSB = FreeBSD software builder"? Then you could say, "My software is from the FSB!" ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 9 21:44:28 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C1EE995A1 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 21:44:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwan@rail.eu.org) Received: from voyageurs.rail.eu.org (voyageurs.rail.eu.org [163.172.114.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F97976FE9 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 21:44:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwan@rail.eu.org) Received: from [IPv6:2001:bc8:30d3:3040:6267:20ff:fede:1808] (unknown [IPv6:2001:bc8:30d3:3040:6267:20ff:fede:1808]) by voyageurs.rail.eu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 38C0B2CC0559 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 22:44:20 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209160730.GA3370@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20171209195258.d4727a94.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209223810.8de0bbf7.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Erwan David Message-ID: <16c8fa46-d201-11d2-5ce2-6d37de0c717f@rail.eu.org> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 22:44:18 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171209223810.8de0bbf7.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: fr DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rail.eu.org; s=mail; t=1512855860; bh=nVkUX+S+KZ7WqvG7fEUGyc2vJY9EkWl2UQFd/0yWf8g=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hro1QktYwfXvBdJxTxixoid1zzAv5EwCcimJetkpKMbCvGZJ3NggA4PrD8XHcEpk9BQb4Ute2ddgTogZMRwwovDp/xXCwwfBXeHUNkckXAXjkzOx8Fh6QDZamL4pzjuQYR92WEsTCDl47MXUub0Km8BYHzPzEAuOIozoMRoGsVE= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 21:44:28 -0000 Le 12/09/17 à 22:38, Polytropon a écrit : > On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 14:41:38 -0500, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >>> Except for the name, I don't dislike anything specific about >>> Poudriere. ;-) >>> >> How do you pronounce it anyways? > In Germany, "poo-dree-ray". :-) > > Why not an easy to understand abbreviation, "BPS = batch > packaging service", or "FSB = FreeBSD software builder"? > Then you could say, "My software is from the FSB!" ;-) > > > I do not know if it is related, but in french poudrière (Poo dree year) is a room to store gunpowder. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 9 23:00:51 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 291F7E9B0D0 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 23:00:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5536478F69 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 23:00:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from testbox.news4all.se (testbox.usenet4all.se [10.0.0.3]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id vB9MdhQK045649; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 23:39:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here To: Aryeh Friedman , Polytropon Cc: Victor Sudakov , FreeBSD References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209160730.GA3370@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20171209195258.d4727a94.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Bernt Hansson Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 23:39:42 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 23:00:51 -0000 On 12/09/17 20:41, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >> Except for the name, I don't dislike anything specific about >> Poudriere. ;-) >> > How do you pronounce it anyways? > Poo in dry air.