From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Mon Jul 9 22:52:49 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC716103C6F9 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 22:52:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Received: from um-tip2-missouri-out.um.umsystem.edu (um-tip2-missouri-out.um.umsystem.edu [198.209.49.149]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "um-tip1.um.umsystem.edu", Issuer "InCommon RSA Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A0D08C33D for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 22:52:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2EKFADP5UNb/xM40cZdHAEBAQQBAQoBA?= =?us-ascii?q?YNJgWEyg3CUOIFdg2KTdAEKLIRZgi8hOBQBAgEBAgEBAgICaR0LhWIRVwEiAiY?= =?us-ascii?q?CBDAVEgQNCAEBgxyCAKlwghyEW4MGAQdjgTqBC4djghWBNoI6gW+GOoJVAplPC?= =?us-ascii?q?QKBPo1egToBDYwbh32JbAICAgIJAhSBWCKBUnITgyWCL44iggSMTgGBGQEB?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2EKFADP5UNb/xM40cZdHAEBAQQBAQoBAYNJgWEyg3CUOIF?= =?us-ascii?q?dg2KTdAEKLIRZgi8hOBQBAgEBAgEBAgICaR0LhWIRVwEiAiYCBDAVEgQNCAEBg?= =?us-ascii?q?xyCAKlwghyEW4MGAQdjgTqBC4djghWBNoI6gW+GOoJVAplPCQKBPo1egToBDYw?= =?us-ascii?q?bh32JbAICAgIJAhSBWCKBUnITgyWCL44iggSMTgGBGQEB?= Received: from ex2-t13.um.umsystem.edu ([198.209.56.19]) by um-tip2-exch-relay.um.umsystem.edu with ESMTP; 09 Jul 2018 17:51:37 -0500 Received: from EX2-N14.um.umsystem.edu (198.209.56.22) by EX2-T13.um.umsystem.edu (198.209.56.19) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1466.3; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 17:51:37 -0500 Received: from EX2-N14.um.umsystem.edu ([198.209.56.22]) by EX2-N14.um.umsystem.edu ([198.209.56.22]) with mapi id 15.01.1466.003; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 17:51:36 -0500 From: "Montgomery-Smith, Stephen" To: "ctm-users@freebsd.org" Subject: Planning to stop CTM in November 2018 Thread-Topic: Planning to stop CTM in November 2018 Thread-Index: AQHUF9dkU57BSPVm4USa9m8cJYQANg== Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 22:51:36 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 x-originating-ip: [128.206.49.160] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: <2A8851CEF6807C488A66AB997E605D4B@missouri.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2018 22:52:50 -0000 SSBhbSB0aGlua2luZyBvZiBzdG9wcGluZyBwcm9kdWN0aW9uIG9mIENUTSB1cGRhdGVzIGluIE5v dmVtYmVyIDIwMTguDQpUaGUgcmVhc29uIGlzIHRoYXQgdGhlIGNvbXB1dGVyIGl0IG9wZXJhdGVz IG9uIHVzZXMgRnJlZUJTRC0xMCB3aGljaA0Kd2lsbCBnbyBFT0wgaW4gTm92ZW1iZXIgMjAxOC4g IElmIEkgdXBkYXRlIHRvIEZyZWVTQkQtMTEsIHRoZW4gSSB3aWxsDQpoYXZlIHRvIHJlYnVpbGQg dGhlIGdudXBncCBwb3J0LiAgQnV0IHRoZSBuZXcgdmVyc2lvbiBkb2Vzbid0IGFjY2VwdCB0aGUN CmN1cnJlbnQga2V5cy4gIEkgY291bGQgY3JlYXRlIG5ldyBrZXlzLCBidXQgaXQgd291bGQgYmUg YSBsb3Qgb2YgZWZmb3J0Lg0KIENvbnNpZGVyaW5nIHRoZSBudW1iZXIgb2YgcGVvcGxlIHVzaW5n IENUTSwgSSBkb24ndCB0aGluayBpdCBpcyB3b3J0aA0KdGhlIG1hbi1ob3Vycy4NCg0KQ29tbWVu dHM/ From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Tue Jul 10 21:30:52 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23520102EAAB for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 21:30:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from land.berklix.org (land.berklix.org [144.76.10.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "land.berklix.org", Issuer "land.berklix.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91F6C8D367 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 21:30:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (pD9FA8EA3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.250.142.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by land.berklix.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w6ALUcuc066038 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 21:30:43 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id w6ALUbLb063995 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 23:30:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id w6ALUOnR097654 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 23:30:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <201807102130.w6ALUOnR097654@fire.js.berklix.net> To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Planning to stop CTM in November 2018 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.eu BSD Unix Linux Consultants, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.eu/free/ X-From: http://www.berklix.eu/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message "Mon, 09 Jul 2018 22:51:36 -0000." Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 23:30:24 +0200 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 21:30:52 -0000 "Montgomery-Smith, Stephen" wrote: > I am thinking of stopping production of CTM updates in November 2018. > The reason is that the computer it operates on uses FreeBSD-10 which > will go EOL in November 2018. If I update to FreeSBD-11, then I will > have to rebuild the gnupgp port. But the new version doesn't accept the > current keys. I could create new keys, but it would be a lot of effort. > Considering the number of people using CTM, I don't think it is worth > the man-hours. > > Comments? Unfortunate, What's stopped more people benefitting from CTM is lack of PR I think, as few non users realise CTM's advantages: ideal for intermitent connectivity (& low bandwidth & reproducibility). Stock up with a load of compressed deltas while the net is connected & free eg on home/work dsl/broadband flat-rate, before hitting the road with expensive mobile tarrifs, or behind company firewall that blocks non http & mail. Anyone fancy using https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi to submit diffs for manuals & web to note that ? I've not used key signing, always been on my ToDo list, never had time, I wonder what proportion of users use those keys. I wouldnt worry too much if your generator host hits 10 EOL: my ctm.berklix.org delta archive is also available & runs 10, & I never seem to find time to upgrade on time. (elsewhere I still have boxes running far older for good reasons, as well as current on others). PS sorry if anyone noticed ftp:// & http:// ctm.berklix.org was off line for a few hours Sunday afternoon TZ=+02:00, an accident during ... an upgrade ;-) (current@ Subject: How to add su to /rescue ? ) Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, Computer Consultant, Systems Engineer, BSD Linux Unix, Munich Brexit Referendum stole 3.7 million votes inc. from 700,000 British in EU. UK Goverment lies it's democratic in Article 50 paragraph 3 of letter to EU. http://exitbrexit.uk From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Thu Jul 12 19:41:49 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A2E103C45A for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 19:41:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from land.berklix.org (land.berklix.org [144.76.10.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "land.berklix.org", Issuer "land.berklix.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5EF77C21C for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 19:41:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (pD9FA3756.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.250.55.86]) (authenticated bits=0) by land.berklix.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w6CJfhls026380 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 19:41:47 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id w6CJfg2J081686 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 21:41:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id w6CJfU4p022519 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 21:41:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <201807121941.w6CJfU4p022519@fire.js.berklix.net> cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Planning to stop CTM in November 2018 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.eu BSD Unix Linux Consultants, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.eu/free/ X-From: http://www.berklix.eu/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 10 Jul 2018 23:30:24 +0200." <201807102130.w6ALUOnR097654@fire.js.berklix.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 21:41:30 +0200 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 19:41:49 -0000 "Julian H. Stacey" wrote: > "Montgomery-Smith, Stephen" wrote: > > I am thinking of stopping production of CTM updates in November 2018. > > The reason is that the computer it operates on uses FreeBSD-10 which > > will go EOL in November 2018. If I update to FreeSBD-11, then I will > > have to rebuild the gnupgp port. But the new version doesn't accept the > > current keys. I could create new keys, but it would be a lot of effort. > > Considering the number of people using CTM, I don't think it is worth > > the man-hours. > > > > Comments? > > Unfortunate, > What's stopped more people benefitting from CTM is lack of PR I think, > as few non users realise CTM's advantages: ideal for intermitent > connectivity (& low bandwidth & reproducibility). Stock up with a > load of compressed deltas while the net is connected & free eg on > home/work dsl/broadband flat-rate, before hitting the road with > expensive mobile tarrifs, or behind company firewall that blocks > non http & mail. > > Anyone fancy using https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi > to submit diffs for manuals & web to note that ? > > I've not used key signing, always been on my ToDo list, never had time, > I wonder what proportion of users use those keys. > > I wouldnt worry too much if your generator host hits 10 EOL: > my ctm.berklix.org delta archive is also available & runs 10, & I > never seem to find time to upgrade on time. (elsewhere I still > have boxes running far older for good reasons, as well as > current on others). > > PS sorry if anyone noticed ftp:// & http:// ctm.berklix.org was off > line for a few hours Sunday afternoon TZ=+02:00, an accident during > ... an upgrade ;-) (current@ Subject: How to add su to /rescue ? ) PS how about when the time comes for new keys, leave keys broken until someone who wants to receieve with working keys offers to help ? Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, Computer Consultant, Systems Engineer, BSD Linux Unix, Munich Brexit Referendum stole 3.7 million votes inc. 700,000 from British in EU. UK Goverment lies it's democratic in Article 50 paragraph 3 of letter to EU. http://exitbrexit.uk From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Fri Jul 13 00:36:48 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E25E103AF51 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2018 00:36:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Received: from um-kip6-missouri-out.um.umsystem.edu (um-kip6-missouri-out.um.umsystem.edu [209.106.229.223]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "um-tip1.um.umsystem.edu", Issuer "InCommon RSA Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C9448ADB1 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2018 00:36:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2FkEgA980db/yI40cZcHQEBBQELAYUZE?= =?us-ascii?q?jKDcYhjjTgsgziTdwEKLIRAAheCVDgUAQIBAQIBAQICAmkdC4U5AQQBIxE6EAs?= =?us-ascii?q?CAQgaAiYCAgIwFRACBA0IAQGDHIF4CKl/gS6EW4MDAQeCWoELigmBN4I8LoFBg?= =?us-ascii?q?yQWF4JqglUCmVkJAo8fgTuMLJFtAgICAgkCFIFYIoFSchODJYIkDAuOF4IEiWA?= =?us-ascii?q?BgRkBAQ?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2FkEgA980db/yI40cZcHQEBBQELAYUZEjKDcYhjjTgsgzi?= =?us-ascii?q?TdwEKLIRAAheCVDgUAQIBAQIBAQICAmkdC4U5AQQBIxE6EAsCAQgaAiYCAgIwF?= =?us-ascii?q?RACBA0IAQGDHIF4CKl/gS6EW4MDAQeCWoELigmBN4I8LoFBgyQWF4JqglUCmVk?= =?us-ascii?q?JAo8fgTuMLJFtAgICAgkCFIFYIoFSchODJYIkDAuOF4IEiWABgRkBAQ?= Received: from ex-n22.um.umsystem.edu (HELO EX2-N22.um.umsystem.edu) ([198.209.56.34]) by um-kip6-exch-relay.um.umsystem.edu with ESMTP; 12 Jul 2018 19:35:34 -0500 Received: from EX2-N14.um.umsystem.edu (198.209.56.22) by EX2-N22.um.umsystem.edu (198.209.56.34) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1466.3; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 19:35:34 -0500 Received: from EX2-N14.um.umsystem.edu ([198.209.56.22]) by EX2-N14.um.umsystem.edu ([198.209.56.22]) with mapi id 15.01.1466.003; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 19:35:34 -0500 From: "Montgomery-Smith, Stephen" To: "ctm-users@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Planning to stop CTM in November 2018 Thread-Topic: Planning to stop CTM in November 2018 Thread-Index: AQHUGhhUU57BSPVm4USa9m8cJYQANqSMonKA Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 00:35:34 +0000 Message-ID: References: <201807121941.w6CJfU4p022519@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: <201807121941.w6CJfU4p022519@fire.js.berklix.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 x-originating-ip: [128.206.49.160] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 00:36:48 -0000 T24gMDcvMTIvMjAxOCAwMjo0MSBQTSwgSnVsaWFuIEguIFN0YWNleSB3cm90ZToNCg0KPiBQUyBo b3cgYWJvdXQgd2hlbiB0aGUgdGltZSBjb21lcyBmb3IgbmV3IGtleXMsIGxlYXZlIGtleXMgYnJv a2VuDQo+IHVudGlsIHNvbWVvbmUgd2hvIHdhbnRzIHRvIHJlY2VpZXZlIHdpdGggd29ya2luZyBr ZXlzIG9mZmVycyB0byBoZWxwID8NCg0KVGhhdCdzIGEgZ29vZCBpZGVhLiAgSSBtaWdodCBzdGFy dCBkb2luZyB0aGF0IG5vdyAtIHRoZW4gSSBjYW4gZ2V0IHJpZA0Kb2YgdGhlIGdudXBncDIuMCBw b3J0IHRoYXQgSSBuZWVkLCBhbmQgaXMgbm93IGRlZnVuY3QuDQoNClNvIGluIGEgZmV3IGRheXMs IGVtYWlscyBmcm9tIENUTSB3aWxsIG5vIGxvbmdlciBiZSBzaWduZWQsIG5vciB3aWxsIHRoZQ0K c2lnbmF0dXJlcyBhZmZpcm1pbmcgdGhlIENUTSBkZWx0YXMgYmUgY3JlYXRlZC4NCg0KSSBhbHNv IGRvbid0IGludGVuZCB0byBjcmVhdGUgYW55IG1vcmUgY3RtIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdHMgKGxpa2Ug c3JjLTEyDQp3aGljaCB3aWxsIHByb2JhYmx5IGJlIGNyZWF0ZWQgaW4gRGVjIDIwMTgpLiAgUGVv cGxlIHdpbGwgaGF2ZSB0byBnZXQNCnRoZW0gZnJvbSB0aGUgc2VydmVyLg==