From owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Sun Mar 18 00:22:55 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2FEF51D78; Sun, 18 Mar 2018 00:22:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: from out1-8.antispamcloud.com (out1-8.antispamcloud.com [185.201.16.8]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1436D751CD; Sun, 18 Mar 2018 00:22:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: from [153.92.8.106] (helo=srv31.niagahoster.com) by mx68.antispamcloud.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1exL9m-0001hX-L6; Sun, 18 Mar 2018 00:22:35 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sumeritec.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender :Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=+H+zsfLrn6V8ZSfXNGgWDnp8U3aglkEras7fIFVJ2vU=; b=p4+t8GUjP6R22WXoE8M/GOrPtM qkmpKNncC486Apy88bmWpZ58m7hAsRmX41+Su8q/jQAYIZ+4x0jSMm9ZZNZ1RLFMFK6hliZlt4mcw hwW6cYy6c3YM7yffDTxubcVdgRZG0EPZhTDNd3rk/OvVv1jx8lZFKqErsSIHEI07ZMYWsOV1/y9vl dV5RmlIasXjmhMGMT6BU84ezI00iQX4Bk+G/vK3JF4vBM5SjuQnmPqy5MJ4BF3DOrUql90ctYKglC Q54M/54ZzEjxbDEsLujFpJYuY15CgXDnX0eTEB5Dttqu6xWMIrPI28fEkdbgEYnPn+ynZL63EceOo saogU+lg==; Received: from [114.125.71.99] (port=20499 helo=X220.sumeritec.com) by srv31.niagahoster.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1exL90-000A3Z-Mx; Sun, 18 Mar 2018 06:21:48 +0700 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 07:21:44 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: John Darrah Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem Message-ID: <20180318072144.086159f7.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AuthUser: freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com X-Originating-IP: 153.92.8.106 X-AntiSpamCloud-Domain: out.niagahoster.com X-AntiSpamCloud-Username: niaga Authentication-Results: antispamcloud.com; auth=pass (login) smtp.auth=niaga@out.niagahoster.com X-AntiSpamCloud-Outgoing-Class: unsure X-AntiSpamCloud-Outgoing-Evidence: Combined (0.19) X-Recommended-Action: accept X-Filter-ID: EX5BVjFpneJeBchSMxfU5r+NrL/6wJn8YZ0sdJOUVdJ602E9L7XzfQH6nu9C/Fh9KJzpNe6xgvOx q3u0UDjvO0/JJwM+iVZeflWpnUAuMMLFawUChm01d5Zi5ht0DRUtVpK+UKTeqxZu93ei7Y6eyjPh pwpWMvXiZeXQODcnrejS/HVROkBNqcvr/bciyBoPwiBKLDAfGz+10a+UbvXHL0hazMG2OHERT1yz aUX65+WT+qCz3rOuuBbhlgCCQrHU5EYKk9ePgXGbt5xuMhAKm1ZiUSAofzQZyw1No2+95uQ6gYbz xPOdHt4zTzsNacyUK5uN4Nhp7uOkWlmbQCkb22ZahCgUvTCueR5bi0bHK/w3ATosvvqzp8/PsONp VctjnX/YV1uhlLsE1ItIMqOyMsYOCF60QpvOtT4vxKgu+A0+zaac9FtcRdqoRoYWsjypxomYtyRb /Y0Qmcr3YH+dmOJfV7nG/M60EZk5Ho2E0olS9wT7oELqxavbwzdX3Qz/smYfpztwdkx9TF8kMvPG 0wdeM0Ie3DuEGYjrS15nAitkzc24eG3hqHeMqlV71Dl1jEnj+0/sukBX17j8hn6eiIca+nPOKTKf xsYujFD/DBF6EipRzMVZ5LqwTx7Vvn9SRzhgGf79uaniwv5Hh/GRz2pHRSCRJIpQrNpZSg1x5LbR iwUPKZlo6KckRIyRq/7l07FIUfTWCI262DbfSR+/XweYUOp7A73HI6oJg7w/VodinzK+aIr2uM5I 16ENOtmGAr2ix9Sq1CEJNVKbaltYgMqvrIlo2twg9ePmEITdKglRTjOpxMWUu9fSkZCWuoNZxo8z PwnTK8T72k1Yf3tGFHLYM3A6BXfvel8OEFDbU502QgPOmoupwzGrYADRwav3XS9dWjzMfcFbK8nX ELAYgY7MTnEIRSj09o40PG20cuoYl2KZhkai6KglYqQxpUcabCB/BBd46AYXoop3Vb1ozNbMOYhZ VhWQD3muHGZxwbWWy+otarr+opjdZJqHfSEAtUIdKz+aOJRGwNbXQ/h3fd5hso0p2qEK9vLLH6Iw Xw+egMwrtwdodggrHZMuX9HK X-Report-Abuse-To: spam@quarantine1.antispamcloud.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 00:22:55 -0000 Hi, just one word. I am from Kissing. My neighbours are from Fucking. I bet, the 'CoC' people will discriminate me and my neighbours now. Erich From owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Sun Mar 18 03:35:59 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2A2F5AD5A; Sun, 18 Mar 2018 03:35:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from k4t@3msg.es) Received: from oyapock.aktivix.org (oyapock.aktivix.org [162.247.75.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2AFB67C0F7; Sun, 18 Mar 2018 03:35:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from k4t@3msg.es) Received: from oyapock.aktivix.org by oyapock.aktivix.org with esmtpsa; Sun, 18 Mar 2018 01:08:34 +0000 Received: from aland by apple.rat.burntout.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1exMoX-0007mn-Sv; Sun, 18 Mar 2018 01:08:45 +0000 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 01:08:41 +0000 From: Kate Dawson To: Erich Dollansky Cc: John Darrah , "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem Message-ID: <20180318010839.n2vk3eaibaslzxcj@apple.rat.burntout.org> References: <20180318072144.086159f7.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jomwilinh4vxp5te" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180318072144.086159f7.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> OpenPGP: id=E81A4BBA;url=hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 03:35:59 -0000 --jomwilinh4vxp5te Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually you sound like you come from under a bridge. You know... "Trolling"=20 xxx On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 07:21:44AM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, >=20 > just one word. I am from Kissing. My neighbours are from Fucking. I > bet, the 'CoC' people will discriminate me and my neighbours now. >=20 > Erich > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" --=20 "The introduction of a coordinate system to geometry is an act of violence" --jomwilinh4vxp5te Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEuWTC+IwAlt6/FqSRAaIFAegaS7oFAlqtvAQACgkQAaIFAega S7qLRQ//SUXaoBZSnW7RgnFE7kP8MPayt9TO44yBfTQqrGRSP1os32xzhhGN2y2A WHt6S/RwUfNg8iDlAjVO9Zpnhgb8TKqBDPquK4/QjCXQSCU4qGhHexRAHN+QOokS HMGthY09ZGCiOHyDQPGc4WQVY7Hyq9JjRJy6gtlNxT1KH8kIEpKaXl2Csg4rTBfP Nn8KCu+KNH/Uc2HThTJImmoLptoHU75c8jwGTpjXgNXsereWphiBTjkqwxQuTkth L3in3HGOgEh99BVNWLPNm9fYR2ECG6lsoeL2QE5WCEIA++m70ycG52UAfhoLh5tp tJ7wXlYfk9PtARC6NMu21zNdAi5tY0QvsWimxXBKPtj21aSk7bS5PCxVv6rIFved SKHgdDrc1QwpGY60Yat4Nwe7R6834pmjNSxPYYW/sqiOqJmsEoe0vdcTIIfvD86e CEW3Yjbs2BKUQKcQDKIOqtEmRaP1d2aG88HSM5ztsF0/B4765hoDh2j2srPKUi9a mR2G0pV7z4wwZyiCDa/z3pqVkqaAzo0lFIcJSn//+conNavIi5HPThqFvQGsNLL/ O67RdCerKFZSmCUUWeciQwFS6iXDFzhYlakYIqmRMOYwJB0jtn0GEg9W/NZ9ehtZ wxU/JM+Uw7TdmM9MeNa8Tj0UVrXam2Nn3z0LTf6vuiJK2sEdj6A= =/BFh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jomwilinh4vxp5te-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Sun Mar 18 04:42:11 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79827F5DD41; 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You know... > "Trolling" it just shows your low education level. You could have checked maps.google.com. But you did not. Erich > > xxx > > On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 07:21:44AM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > Hi, > > > > just one word. I am from Kissing. My neighbours are from Fucking. I > > bet, the 'CoC' people will discriminate me and my neighbours now. > > > > Erich > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Sun Mar 18 05:19:49 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B43F5F308 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2018 05:19:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from www.lemis.com (www.lemis.com [208.86.226.86]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB58D7F759 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2018 05:19:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from eureka.lemis.com (lemis.com [192.109.197.81]) by www.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4431B72837; Sun, 18 Mar 2018 05:12:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eureka.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 118874494B4; Sun, 18 Mar 2018 16:12:44 +1100 (AEDT) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 16:12:44 +1100 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Erich Dollansky Cc: Kate Dawson , John Darrah , "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem Message-ID: <20180318051244.GK60320@eureka.lemis.com> References: <20180318072144.086159f7.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <20180318010839.n2vk3eaibaslzxcj@apple.rat.burntout.org> <20180318124056.28721454.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="T4Djgzn3z2HSNnx0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180318124056.28721454.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-3-5346-1370, +61-3-5309-0418 Mobile: 0401 265 606. Use only as instructed. WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 05:19:49 -0000 --T4Djgzn3z2HSNnx0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline [trimming -current@, which is really not appropriate] On Sunday, 18 March 2018 at 12:40:56 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 01:08:41 +0000 > Kate Dawson wrote: > >> Actually you sound like you come from under a bridge. You know... >> "Trolling" > > it just shows your low education level. You could have checked > maps.google.com. > > But you did not. I don't know if this is covered by the Code of Conduct, but it's certainly offensive. Please stop. 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If your Microsoft mail program reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA --T4Djgzn3z2HSNnx0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAlqt9UwACgkQIubykFB6QiOKLACfT2eqXlRuL/RUxZyCWIXLiuyl 8JgAoKvxOOb9kNILmZ874fE+QNfXaI9m =z4ug -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --T4Djgzn3z2HSNnx0-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Sun Mar 18 05:43:49 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E308F5FDB6 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2018 05:43:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johannes@perceivon.net) Received: from mail-vk0-x232.google.com (mail-vk0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AF6D8045C for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2018 05:43:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johannes@perceivon.net) Received: by mail-vk0-x232.google.com with SMTP id j85so108699vke.0 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2018 22:43:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=perceivon-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=F3OAQVKiXuG/55mUqwuQZqMAsrRHXRlPascM7XU17zU=; b=FZdG5cNkoG93sD/v0YIQ0wmSGv24COVnc+N3SzcW5MgqQwjyXHMtKTfh6fGsOE5tEI Vju1QwkQhU6L5cP+KwZA8NlE9uCJ1If82LcZlxFEUJ4tKYxR9I3/xcQZigCJ0dJ8jTD8 kvHvQBqJO0CsluVA7CklN1a+ZnIFF38W4SALbKH7/1e2kXRoOnRDqdm+OZ1tUFtVXh7p jzSpxoGxL5Vrf8XPnZLJCAAO4Mr9HaEIhK8vWUv03lWiVdtCDXZoCQIwb+h/r25PHUUS oSx0ASlnfs+S4XDhzCsQxyevr0WURL1pPK1XNYCWzirwk5nrdgjsKK4/Pf+JgOqb1Cjr ++rg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=F3OAQVKiXuG/55mUqwuQZqMAsrRHXRlPascM7XU17zU=; b=O8up71tOoc5+l6hLdf/4kMeOq/+aPXwk5pMOzeHQ4upBEeRdZJh9SMM1qSvDvImO4L 8UpaZ/LELLTad22KX33ntn+eAPyWwAwQw1ot7bCy8HR/98HPSck9OpOoC3PdhpLhkgWr lFxUxUyR2Dpba2+EGWG16QlrLN0uw9a9FC9+s5nUriaZeCf+3RKnFRs8jXIjcXo4AmqX YEVd1F+7u9BBSCvVVpGzQGqRJEWF4AQRNL2LoVfVn46H9PsEoBcbrbE13FUULkWcigym 11ICkuCpBoaZJPbzrTQJpYmaysFIvXHs1HSBpLiDFG0vo4NBwLuHyGhB9PwoN7sAqfI/ HBLQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7Ef7e1sk885Ob6EJBTgh5K8W6dLG+ts8sNpPKXMHhI4fhi0twVJ FMcyCEqFMDMG933QNm12utXhSDcAimpOIFcLiqhaQA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELsNyKI+PquB2kEDQ/gJnq2AOyROYSalIyGOyOf+pq7/tGo/B5TjzRq70xxLelrvGGrarFUDbgh3fe2AeO85Y4M= X-Received: by 10.31.21.210 with SMTP id 201mr4763014vkv.135.1521351827947; Sat, 17 Mar 2018 22:43:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.142.135 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Mar 2018 22:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.103.142.135 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Mar 2018 22:43:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20180318010839.n2vk3eaibaslzxcj@apple.rat.burntout.org> References: <20180318072144.086159f7.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <20180318010839.n2vk3eaibaslzxcj@apple.rat.burntout.org> From: "Meixner, Johannes" Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 06:43:47 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem To: Kate Dawson Cc: Erich Dollansky , "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 05:43:49 -0000 You must have never been to Southern Germany or Austria. Anyway, back to the matter at hand: If things are so bad, how come nobody filed a Community Proposal to rephrase the code of conduct into a more value-neutral language? ... or, like, a diff to the docs tree? I would really like this list to get back to actually doing advocacy, for a change. On 18 Mar 2018 6:37 am, "Kate Dawson" wrote: Actually you sound like you come from under a bridge. You know... "Trolling" xxx On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 07:21:44AM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > just one word. I am from Kissing. My neighbours are from Fucking. 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You know... > >> "Trolling" > > > > it just shows your low education level. You could have checked > > maps.google.com. > > > > But you did not. > > I don't know if this is covered by the Code of Conduct, but it's > certainly offensive. Please stop. > you want to say, that my place of residence for 30 years is offensive? Are you absolutely sure that you discriminate people depending on their place of residence? In my case, former place of residence. 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Sun, 18 Mar 2018 09:26:25 +0100 Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <20180318072144.086159f7.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <20180318010839.n2vk3eaibaslzxcj@apple.rat.burntout.org> <20180318153544.30513850.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> From: Martin Leipold | vrSOL Organization: vrSOL | Vienna, Austria Message-ID: <1cf5491f-5e70-1225-e5c2-81c4b68780cb@vrsol.net> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 09:26:24 +0100 User-Agent: produced by the non-disclosed, local email program and operating systems MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180318153544.30513850.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 08:52:15 -0000 hi isn't it always about the whereabouts in time and/or (by california law) *being at the same time at the exact same place* could be sex or (without and) brawl. decision is y/ours/mine - with or without coc from heaven on sunday martin On 18/03/2018 08:35, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 06:43:47 +0100 > "Meixner, Johannes" wrote: > >> You must have never been to Southern Germany or Austria. > and Alaska. > > Erich > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Sun Mar 18 12:18:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19A2AF4ECEE for ; 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charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 515, Issue 1 From: Salvatore Albanese X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15D100) In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 13:18:30 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 12:18:35 -0000 Greetings I just want to say is love is the healer of all Peace love and don=E2=80=99t panic (kernel) I wish we all knew how to behave so we do need a code of conduct, remember t= he only thing between chaos and freedom is self control=20 Thank you all for your understanding in advance Best regards Salvatore Albanese OEMS Sagl CP 24 6576 Gerra Gambarogno Switzerland +41 79 192 39 17 salvatore@oems.ch > On 18 Mar 2018, at 13:00, freebsd-advocacy-request@freebsd.org wrote: >=20 > Send freebsd-advocacy mailing list submissions to > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org >=20 > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > freebsd-advocacy-request@freebsd.org >=20 > You can reach the person managing the list at > freebsd-advocacy-owner@freebsd.org >=20 > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of freebsd-advocacy digest..." >=20 >=20 > Today's Topics: >=20 > 1. Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem (Erich Dollansky) > 2. Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem (Kate Dawson) > 3. Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem (Greg 'groggy' Lehey) > 4. Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem (Erich Dollansky) > 5. Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem (Meixner, Johannes) > 6. Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem (Erich Dollansky) > 7. Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem (Erich Dollansky) > 8. Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem (Martin Leipold | vrSOL) >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 07:21:44 +0800 > From: Erich Dollansky > To: John Darrah > Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , > "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" > Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem > Message-ID: <20180318072144.086159f7.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII >=20 > Hi, >=20 > just one word. I am from Kissing. My neighbours are from Fucking. I > bet, the 'CoC' people will discriminate me and my neighbours now. >=20 > Erich >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 01:08:41 +0000 > From: Kate Dawson > To: Erich Dollansky > Cc: John Darrah , > "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , > "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" > Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem > Message-ID: <20180318010839.n2vk3eaibaslzxcj@apple.rat.burntout.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" >=20 > Actually you sound like you come from under a bridge. You know... > "Trolling"=20 >=20 > xxx >=20 >> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 07:21:44AM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> just one word. I am from Kissing. My neighbours are from Fucking. I >> bet, the 'CoC' people will discriminate me and my neighbours now. >>=20 >> Erich >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" >=20 > --=20 > "The introduction of a coordinate system to geometry is an act of violence= " > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 833 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 16:12:44 +1100 > From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey > To: Erich Dollansky > Cc: Kate Dawson , John Darrah > , "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" > > Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem > Message-ID: <20180318051244.GK60320@eureka.lemis.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" >=20 > [trimming -current@, which is really not appropriate] >=20 >> On Sunday, 18 March 2018 at 12:40:56 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 01:08:41 +0000 >> Kate Dawson wrote: >>=20 >>> Actually you sound like you come from under a bridge. You know... >>> "Trolling" >>=20 >> it just shows your low education level. You could have checked >> maps.google.com. >>=20 >> But you did not. >=20 > I don't know if this is covered by the Code of Conduct, but it's > certainly offensive. Please stop. >=20 > Greg > -- > Sent from my desktop computer. > Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key. > See complete headers for address and phone numbers. > This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program > reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 163 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 12:40:56 +0800 > From: Erich Dollansky > To: Kate Dawson > Cc: John Darrah , > "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , > "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" > Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem > Message-ID: <20180318124056.28721454.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII >=20 > Hi, >=20 > On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 01:08:41 +0000 > Kate Dawson wrote: >=20 >> Actually you sound like you come from under a bridge. You know... >> "Trolling"=20 >=20 > it just shows your low education level. You could have checked > maps.google.com. >=20 > But you did not. >=20 > Erich >>=20 >> xxx >>=20 >>> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 07:21:44AM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> just one word. I am from Kissing. My neighbours are from Fucking. I >>> bet, the 'CoC' people will discriminate me and my neighbours now. >>>=20 >>> Erich >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list >>> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" =20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 06:43:47 +0100 > From: "Meixner, Johannes" > To: Kate Dawson > Cc: Erich Dollansky , > "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , > "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" > Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" >=20 > You must have never been to Southern Germany or Austria. >=20 > Anyway, back to the matter at hand: >=20 > If things are so bad, how come nobody filed a Community Proposal to > rephrase the code of conduct into a more value-neutral language? >=20 > ... or, like, a diff to the docs tree? >=20 > I would really like this list to get back to actually doing advocacy, for a= > change. >=20 > On 18 Mar 2018 6:37 am, "Kate Dawson" wrote: >=20 > Actually you sound like you come from under a bridge. You know... > "Trolling" >=20 > xxx >=20 >> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 07:21:44AM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> just one word. I am from Kissing. My neighbours are from Fucking. I >> bet, the 'CoC' people will discriminate me and my neighbours now. >>=20 >> Erich >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g > " >=20 > -- > "The introduction of a coordinate system to geometry is an act of violence= " >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 15:35:44 +0800 > From: Erich Dollansky > To: "Meixner, Johannes" > Cc: Kate Dawson , "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" > , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" > > Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem > Message-ID: <20180318153544.30513850.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII >=20 > Hi, >=20 > On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 06:43:47 +0100 > "Meixner, Johannes" wrote: >=20 >> You must have never been to Southern Germany or Austria. >=20 > and Alaska. >=20 > Erich >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 15:32:47 +0800 > From: Erich Dollansky > To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey > Cc: Kate Dawson , John Darrah > , "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" > > Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem > Message-ID: <20180318153247.406059e8.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII >=20 > Hi, >=20 > On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 16:12:44 +1100 > Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >=20 >> [trimming -current@, which is really not appropriate] >>=20 >>> On Sunday, 18 March 2018 at 12:40:56 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 01:08:41 +0000 >>> Kate Dawson wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Actually you sound like you come from under a bridge. You know... >>>> "Trolling" =20 >>>=20 >>> it just shows your low education level. You could have checked >>> maps.google.com. >>>=20 >>> But you did not. =20 >>=20 >> I don't know if this is covered by the Code of Conduct, but it's >> certainly offensive. Please stop. >>=20 > you want to say, that my place of residence for 30 years is offensive? >=20 > Are you absolutely sure that you discriminate people depending on their > place of residence? In my case, former place of residence. >=20 > Erich >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 09:26:24 +0100 > From: Martin Leipold | vrSOL > To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem > Message-ID: <1cf5491f-5e70-1225-e5c2-81c4b68780cb@vrsol.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8 >=20 > hi >=20 > isn't it always about the whereabouts in time >=20 > and/or (by california law) >=20 > *being at the same time at the exact same place* >=20 > could be sex >=20 > or (without and) brawl. >=20 > decision is y/ours/mine - with or without coc >=20 > from heaven on sunday > martin >=20 >> On 18/03/2018 08:35, Erich Dollansky wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 06:43:47 +0100 >> "Meixner, Johannes" wrote: >>=20 >>> You must have never been to Southern Germany or Austria. >> and Alaska. >>=20 >> Erich >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Subject: Digest Footer >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > End of freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 515, Issue 1 > ************************************************ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Sun Mar 18 16:16:54 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79219F60034 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2018 16:16:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demian.fc@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf0-x22e.google.com (mail-lf0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CAD6779097 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2018 16:16:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demian.fc@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id g203-v6so7472673lfg.11 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2018 09:16:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=C553C1XQ2kQ14ZsmAYv6V/nqDOjeTTvf+4XVFxkr0JU=; b=dvouIQxWCwiH6XcR7uL4T/ALgYqb3Bvq82vbY2uLew0P6zqYzrpMAO7dS8Sv0RDlBp 9toWqeDkDdSv81heFpOh0jcQOaj9+h7jkDkWbHCOsLcUNx0zOw5uEAN0cxPJsgmi+hw5 C2b9swZq2380O6k/5QPeEk5dath9ILwgBrW51Tx62QaVfFQu4OlOOEHUNCIbvdoxNa4F kqSCc9WZQyo9qXdX1OP8S1e6omTXnZjBkIztTdOf9akgba7qgRgUt3oNxHIwKjdSlZPa FbIF2Oq4ij2ghKy7aar0+c0aBwRQvltDzbgcXB5ZwzF/BDW2hpy9e9MXJ4sRcWt5yaTq Jkfg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=C553C1XQ2kQ14ZsmAYv6V/nqDOjeTTvf+4XVFxkr0JU=; b=jCvBspyIvFUC4bh5aDerCIknoYXjZqwoCIfsQI9kp0VsfSSF8/92MsIUR2kLToH2qp 7QJrrAdjhSoRrbqE5l3jHSUduE9y+XlEp2oN+qK7HQh6x6IJ2dgVP79DceFrZw27c+B6 BBNvCp/jQ75ikGfE+7AJxc6pol2FJ+JsvhUcXpEN1rtIeexieqAoH8P0w3VyIvl/n8BP kOCI6N2AAiMCk5PwhLRizWp15OF0q9FgOgMAMSm3sAVozCuRl4eMLUUdn60a8YCM/+kF dQaVamdHKM4sY+d6thTh6avJDiH7ocKGP7utEJN93qa4gt3rdnYOH5h+GEIsQljxtJBQ O/ww== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7Fx9t5YcSnCIawTIShVebEfYh6X+rBhJw3pG3SpJ5jRb6TiAgZk uPyg+HmxqqQsWrGKeIWUcn+njs1JlPsYeWiJ8H4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELvCj5oTrmxlel71GTjEtlUAGmWnkyNRYyOMKwa0cMHS5EACQPP9SjcQDM90lIRocvmDGd3mYX6fSpCneRY3+eQ= X-Received: by 2002:a19:13de:: with SMTP id 91-v6mr6300068lft.114.1521389812461; Sun, 18 Mar 2018 09:16:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a19:73dc:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Mar 2018 09:16:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20180308153450.CE84CD5ABC@emkei.cz> <20180308170701.xsel5q3anidpymk6@fifo.io> From: Federico Caminiti Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 13:16:51 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem To: Ted Hatfield Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 16:16:54 -0000 > > I've read the published Code of Conduct here: > > Yes, that's the one I've read too. > all of the provisions listed appear to me to be reasonable. > > Good. As pointed out above, some of the provisions listed do not sound reasonable to other people. > Rather than get all bent out of shape about the fact that it's based upon > the example policy at "Geek Feminism" I would like to hear exactly what's > in the code of conduct you object to. > > Dismissing complaints people might have about the CoC as unreasonable, just because you agreed with it in its entirety is not very nice thing to do. I find the language used to be ambiguous at best, US-Centric and almost unimplementable at worst. The *hug* clause needs to go, for example. In my culture no one would even bat an eye at someone writing *hug* in a comment. The provision as pointed out in other comments is childish and ridiculous. Also,the following > Deliberate "outing" of any private aspect of a person's identity without their consent *except as necessary to protect vulnerable people from intentional abuse*. (emphasis mine) It has the implication that it's ok to deliberately "out" a private aspect of a person's identity the person in charge of enforcing the CoC. Why do they feel this might be necessary to protect someone is beyond me. > Publication of non-harassing private communication without consent. What is the scope of this provision? Is quoting statements people made in a mailing list (such as this one) against the rules now? How would you go about obtaining consent for quoting people? Do we send a private email to someone before quoting them every time? > Sustained disruption of discussion. What counts as "sustained disruption of discussion"? Repeatedly telling someone that person is wrong is ok? Even when it is a technical discussion? Did they mean to say "repeatedly engaging in non-technical discussions"? If so, why not just write that? > This code of conduct applies to all spaces used by the FreeBSD Project, including our mailing lists, IRC channels, and social media, both online and off. How far does the scrutiny go? If I tweet about personal opinions, on our personal account, will I that be considered in scope for the CoC? I would hope not, but the CoC is not clear on that point and that possibility still exists. While we're at it, how about offensive language?...the CoC does not mention it. Is it now OK to swear on the mailing lists/forum, etc...? If it is not and I say the f-word on twitter (see previous point) does that mean the CoC comiteee will sanction me? > Unwelcome sexual attention. Is *welcome* sexual attention and/or comments OK on a **technical** mailing list? I also said that what concerns me is the lack of public discussion (see my previous post). If this was the result of something agreed upon by the community I might complain about it, but at least its the community itself that's going in that direction and there would have been some discussion on the issue. This was a decision made behind close doors, where donated money was spent (little or not) and where the community at large did not participate. And more money will be spent, apparently.Nothing was announced through official channels, unless you count BSDNow as an official channel, even then the announcement was made when the CoC was already enacted. My point about where the CoC was adopted from stems from the fact that most of the provisions I and other people who posted here find troublesome come from there. Also from the fact that it came completely out of the blue. Why not adopt a more neutral CoC? We don't need 3 different clauses about sexual comments. Sexual comments do not belong on mailing lists/forums intended for opperating systems development. I understand that this was done with the best of intentions, but even so, this is something that applies to the whole community.