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From: Lars Engels <lme@FreeBSD.org>
To: Adrian Chadd <adrian.chadd@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: RFC: Create a default wlan for wireless NICs
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On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 07:28:44PM -0700, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> Lol. :-)
> 
> The main change here is people having to unlearn wlanX being the device and
> things are now named dependent on your hardware type.
> 
> I mean, ok ok it could just be like freebsd-4 or whatever, pre-vap support.
> :-)
> 
> (do it!)

The problem I see is that a couple of tools / scripts in ports do expect
a "wlan0" device to be the first wireless device and will stop working
after the change.