From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Sat Mar 3 22:32:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D033F41FFF; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 22:32:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timmcgrawfan@protonmail.com) Received: from mail3.protonmail.ch (mail3.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.protonmail.ch", Issuer "QuoVadis Global SSL ICA G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0036779F7D; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 22:32:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timmcgrawfan@protonmail.com) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2018 17:32:22 -0500 To: "freebsd-chat@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org" From: John Darrah Reply-To: John Darrah Subject: FreeBSD's politics problem Message-ID: <6d2JakAYeM2E8PxcTzAulsl0FCU-76lOjBF_KOn-HtspxRbrGVkZWKi0K2BwErZJnQ3eEbuLp4eOUOhehhBwRfgu3Q9nABfOd5uzv1Mi1ZA=@protonmail.com> Feedback-ID: VvheuvgUquOYdMb7y1Y-WM9EGdLMAd7SZ9qvt84-dBa3ore_6mxdpjyoPCJwIxNi6B13ZdwwmG7sESPnOYqtmw==:Ext:ProtonMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mail.protonmail.ch X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2018 22:32:33 -0000 FreeBSD recently introduced an updated Code of Conduct that developers and members must adhere to. There has been much backlash online about it and about introducing identity politics into a technical OS project in general. The Code of Conduct was adopted from the "Geek Feminism" wiki's version, which claims (among other things) that racism against whites doesn't exist, sexism against men doesn't exist, and that certain protected classes of people should not be criticised. Emails of the internal discussion about this controversial Code of Conduct have now been leaked publicly, painting a picture of the disagreement in the FreeBSD project about how this was handled. A number of developers, particularly benno@, phk@ and des@, have used racis= t and sexist remarks against those criticising the far-reaching project polic= y change, saying that the concerns about the policy essentially boil down to "white male privilege" and being "on the wrong side of history". Other developers expressed concern about the policy being thrown upon them with no discussion or debate, as well as The FreeBSD Foundation's choice to pay an outside person (with donations from the users) to work on the Code of Conduct's enforcement. Said person identifies as a feminist. Mods on BSD and FreeBSD-related subreddits are censoring posts, removing threads, and banning users for posting the link. Colin Percival is among the mods doing the removal. FreeBSD forum mods are also cracking down and eliminating any discussion. Censorship is not the way to win culture wars. This file is an email archive in MBOX format. You can open it with any email client (including the mail or mutt commands) or view it as plaintext with any text editor. It contains just over 200 emails. View: https://privatebin.net/?4c0fb59e63e8271e#irS3KFaEdtuFxsVM4xzQ4/llXLhSz0oZLV= 9WuOEUHBc=3D Download: https://mega.nz/#!xBpHBSAb!ENyoYPopqGVlx320X-a4ecpRjJBtPvd9jmRT9h57eao https://my.mixtape.moe/nhybsi.mbox I encourage you to read and form your own opinions, especially with regard to how the project is handling donation money. From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Sat Mar 3 22:37:47 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD29F4253E; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 22:37:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 42linoge@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x234.google.com (mail-wm0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D35B7A1C2; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 22:37:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 42linoge@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x234.google.com with SMTP id t3so9299362wmc.2; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 14:37:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=uDmaXLFRazqHlgmQlebPrQxs9yY5IQWeoZDVAXyTTmA=; b=SfdVpbcjxh6P3tJkxKUS1KPE+DmmTeOABdYeX9CFBOOqs3vBo7XmUuY6WxLp0Szc/g wFsRar9CoWeW0cwJei6LHpvNkjvNmPACWd4PbkQ7vAi0Ex3rwkUJuEJmaJgmAoMbJwLe MoQonaEMVyDlJsyhMjA/4i3b9TJkx+VgulevKtOOGkl4wnor2H5r0r1ieXDeP8DGkLWp ggYuzftLI5kLpUDCRqO/bLxpz0cS5b9QvjLIU8nEVyEFeJnE7416RY532KZJiKR7Q6LU I39hnY4dz1DUzVlMrV8un1vRLRqtvS7fePMl8rxsyZNiQcY/BYnK6k8d5OhMDvqTNW14 CbpA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=uDmaXLFRazqHlgmQlebPrQxs9yY5IQWeoZDVAXyTTmA=; b=TGhQ2NVe6NqiyPkQzWcPpAfSRL8OBp7FNbB1WV00iNYbdMaq1SfaDcjuOgf46Ljpe6 VKvef6aC/bLFbLDN5PxtQaof06j2eaRQ0FHsdv43WmQRnvtYjiP3NvqhRfdxzCYU2lTG QrtGLU57jA8ZftGsU1klDbedaA7Rb40QkcrYigCaC8qP5Ms+MoOYsQ/4FG2I+cp8FGHT L4+78pj99L1K+LwnsxR6sEGvS6WgYjrNqU1vo61Ngm6B/FN8cg085fNfX6tQbsqDYGQn 32T27HM7EHLL8wl4tCkeWNZ8ZCJJxDoVNg7x4MfTZUGw2jY7ufYS+KSwgusuw3BZ0qXB ZmoA== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPCtZtU8jvxsTqjKSEGSH67AjG/MxF0YX2tMghD5yTvHcXTpVBxB y0iuhoTVrakgKknDNNgRybfpEfG2njuQ2tnRTlo+lg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELvUOW48WqbEKbWCoBFumll6zBSIWeXXZ09SW/9LEB1fD1biWBWWY4OxbRP3q8H6ScYrfrSs2sj1w5jW94wYbL0= X-Received: by 10.80.245.73 with SMTP id w9mr12848272edm.230.1520116665154; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 14:37:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6d2JakAYeM2E8PxcTzAulsl0FCU-76lOjBF_KOn-HtspxRbrGVkZWKi0K2BwErZJnQ3eEbuLp4eOUOhehhBwRfgu3Q9nABfOd5uzv1Mi1ZA=@protonmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6d2JakAYeM2E8PxcTzAulsl0FCU-76lOjBF_KOn-HtspxRbrGVkZWKi0K2BwErZJnQ3eEbuLp4eOUOhehhBwRfgu3Q9nABfOd5uzv1Mi1ZA=@protonmail.com> From: Carlos Gottberg <42linoge@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2018 22:37:34 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD's politics problem To: John Darrah Cc: "freebsd-chat@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2018 22:37:47 -0000 What the fsck have I just read? On Sat, Mar 3, 2018, 7:33 PM John Darrah via freebsd-chat < freebsd-chat@freebsd.org> wrote: > FreeBSD recently introduced an updated Code of Conduct that developers and > members must adhere to. There has been much backlash online about it and > about introducing identity politics into a technical OS project in general. > The Code of Conduct was adopted from the "Geek Feminism" wiki's version, > which claims (among other things) that racism against whites doesn't exist, > sexism against men doesn't exist, and that certain protected classes of > people should not be criticised. > > Emails of the internal discussion about this controversial Code of Conduct > have now been leaked publicly, painting a picture of the disagreement in > the FreeBSD project about how this was handled. > > A number of developers, particularly benno@, phk@ and des@, have used > racist > and sexist remarks against those criticising the far-reaching project > policy > change, saying that the concerns about the policy essentially boil down to > "white male privilege" and being "on the wrong side of history". > > Other developers expressed concern about the policy being thrown upon them > with no discussion or debate, as well as The FreeBSD Foundation's choice > to pay an outside person (with donations from the users) to work on the > Code of Conduct's enforcement. Said person identifies as a feminist. > > Mods on BSD and FreeBSD-related subreddits are censoring posts, removing > threads, and banning users for posting the link. Colin Percival is among > the mods doing the removal. FreeBSD forum mods are also cracking down and > eliminating any discussion. Censorship is not the way to win culture wars. > > This file is an email archive in MBOX format. You can open it with any > email client (including the mail or mutt commands) or view it as plaintext > with any text editor. It contains just over 200 emails. > > View: > > https://privatebin.net/?4c0fb59e63e8271e#irS3KFaEdtuFxsVM4xzQ4/llXLhSz0oZLV9WuOEUHBc= > > Download: > https://mega.nz/#!xBpHBSAb!ENyoYPopqGVlx320X-a4ecpRjJBtPvd9jmRT9h57eao > https://my.mixtape.moe/nhybsi.mbox > > I encourage you to read and form your own opinions, especially with regard > to how the project is handling donation money. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > On Mar 3, 2018 7:33 PM, "John Darrah via freebsd-chat" < freebsd-chat@freebsd.org> wrote: FreeBSD recently introduced an updated Code of Conduct that developers and members must adhere to. There has been much backlash online about it and about introducing identity politics into a technical OS project in general. The Code of Conduct was adopted from the "Geek Feminism" wiki's version, which claims (among other things) that racism against whites doesn't exist, sexism against men doesn't exist, and that certain protected classes of people should not be criticised. Emails of the internal discussion about this controversial Code of Conduct have now been leaked publicly, painting a picture of the disagreement in the FreeBSD project about how this was handled. A number of developers, particularly benno@, phk@ and des@, have used racist and sexist remarks against those criticising the far-reaching project policy change, saying that the concerns about the policy essentially boil down to "white male privilege" and being "on the wrong side of history". Other developers expressed concern about the policy being thrown upon them with no discussion or debate, as well as The FreeBSD Foundation's choice to pay an outside person (with donations from the users) to work on the Code of Conduct's enforcement. Said person identifies as a feminist. Mods on BSD and FreeBSD-related subreddits are censoring posts, removing threads, and banning users for posting the link. Colin Percival is among the mods doing the removal. FreeBSD forum mods are also cracking down and eliminating any discussion. Censorship is not the way to win culture wars. This file is an email archive in MBOX format. You can open it with any email client (including the mail or mutt commands) or view it as plaintext with any text editor. It contains just over 200 emails. View: https://privatebin.net/?4c0fb59e63e8271e#irS3KFaEdtuFxsVM4xzQ4/llXLhSz0oZLV9WuOEUHBc= Download: https://mega.nz/#!xBpHBSAb!ENyoYPopqGVlx320X-a4ecpRjJBtPvd9jmRT9h57eao https://my.mixtape.moe/nhybsi.mbox I encourage you to read and form your own opinions, especially with regard to how the project is handling donation money. _______________________________________________ freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Sat Mar 3 23:11:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4409F449CD; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 23:11:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maficccc@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk0-x233.google.com (mail-vk0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 403CE7BB93; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 23:11:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maficccc@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk0-x233.google.com with SMTP id l123so2696000vke.8; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 15:11:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=76IaL1XofLjmIp6cBHvNXtGqqjry9P6IYQfNJHCwA3A=; b=kGyrZcp3neGHJyzRB1lt04RViE1OQm9bKrBTgyqREMZCFA8ac8kCuAGUydtoCv0vR+ Yar89irV9JS1aB5eNH15MUferQwtsMQxj6/EbGad+f2mFQrgVmsXg6w21Um83V9yc5xW gs02oIfn7hn7LrI0m9x2NFGdPkQFO1sb5GIWFQ8tjBJt1lUSJ29RmmJpO3VQpoouhO/q ixlg/yqAN4VsK8Ddd6ZfCREZzE3Oj3u4CZTaWLCCxliW/UgFA6q5bpYfojvovC4lRkVj z4XV3JIqz2TmZBipTmRtP4sBfEB0Kv/HCMA6h1a3qv4wjTD6vzyoGDy5+mnb8cVvwZHY XxSg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=76IaL1XofLjmIp6cBHvNXtGqqjry9P6IYQfNJHCwA3A=; b=f2v2fQJpli+Fl1mfeXYnTJajlaU/f2GmepYfD5V0WeQ9uQp8UnQXs4OKBnCGULa7D6 mzHfvLB4qhIFq4RQ+IKT88OxeJqiLBcm8lpOIr4ARrfKbQMIjOuTc6Fn3JV3wUuEb7Hf HHRjTE8j5mAGLy16g/rDPp5Tk/QN12+UyyocSjX/q/4SGExgXfIpGP8ZokOL2COaS1E7 58R2iACCVpLYV88SUQnliLZUnIBd8CM48oR1E8zHbx3R+Nlp36+UcwYlraSTkbvA678r uZdyErIZ9CoSC5TQ56WcSw6UizKZAAea1aq1Sye21v2EZ86eoyNFzIVKhVz5Z281RXlC 6vYA== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPAexMw8Z41uUn4gDZFnv7EOAlW5EmKG+7IDTpGmXWCFrc4Jad5X soDhg5blgrR064WlxIG9OUW4L0gCSvLFbGINC8U= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELsCAcEftL7F1Eb5gh18+q43EoAvufE48REWcuMMkqq29esYc0Tu7FfDjPu7hi6DToRBVds6Z0dMrZ8aDPOFpfs= X-Received: by 10.31.53.8 with SMTP id c8mr6714225vka.181.1520118699686; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 15:11:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.159.34.111 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 15:11:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6d2JakAYeM2E8PxcTzAulsl0FCU-76lOjBF_KOn-HtspxRbrGVkZWKi0K2BwErZJnQ3eEbuLp4eOUOhehhBwRfgu3Q9nABfOd5uzv1Mi1ZA=@protonmail.com> References: <6d2JakAYeM2E8PxcTzAulsl0FCU-76lOjBF_KOn-HtspxRbrGVkZWKi0K2BwErZJnQ3eEbuLp4eOUOhehhBwRfgu3Q9nABfOd5uzv1Mi1ZA=@protonmail.com> From: "M." Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 00:11:39 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD's politics problem To: John Darrah Cc: "freebsd-chat@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2018 23:11:40 -0000 This is some joke ? 2018-03-03 23:32 GMT+01:00 John Darrah via freebsd-chat < freebsd-chat@freebsd.org>: > FreeBSD recently introduced an updated Code of Conduct that developers and > members must adhere to. There has been much backlash online about it and > about introducing identity politics into a technical OS project in general. > The Code of Conduct was adopted from the "Geek Feminism" wiki's version, > which claims (among other things) that racism against whites doesn't exist, > sexism against men doesn't exist, and that certain protected classes of > people should not be criticised. > > Emails of the internal discussion about this controversial Code of Conduct > have now been leaked publicly, painting a picture of the disagreement in > the FreeBSD project about how this was handled. > > A number of developers, particularly benno@, phk@ and des@, have used > racist > and sexist remarks against those criticising the far-reaching project > policy > change, saying that the concerns about the policy essentially boil down to > "white male privilege" and being "on the wrong side of history". > > Other developers expressed concern about the policy being thrown upon them > with no discussion or debate, as well as The FreeBSD Foundation's choice > to pay an outside person (with donations from the users) to work on the > Code of Conduct's enforcement. Said person identifies as a feminist. > > Mods on BSD and FreeBSD-related subreddits are censoring posts, removing > threads, and banning users for posting the link. Colin Percival is among > the mods doing the removal. FreeBSD forum mods are also cracking down and > eliminating any discussion. Censorship is not the way to win culture wars. > > This file is an email archive in MBOX format. You can open it with any > email client (including the mail or mutt commands) or view it as plaintext > with any text editor. It contains just over 200 emails. > > View: > https://privatebin.net/?4c0fb59e63e8271e#irS3KFaEdtuFxsVM4xzQ4/ > llXLhSz0oZLV9WuOEUHBc= > > Download: > https://mega.nz/#!xBpHBSAb!ENyoYPopqGVlx320X-a4ecpRjJBtPvd9jmRT9h57eao > https://my.mixtape.moe/nhybsi.mbox > > I encourage you to read and form your own opinions, especially with regard > to how the project is handling donation money. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Sat Mar 3 23:53:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53BF9F4745E; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 23:53:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mozolevsky@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22d.google.com (mail-wm0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD6D87DD17; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 23:53:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mozolevsky@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id t74so9487666wme.3; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 15:53:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=JoYsPpKpzELkJI/hbZtGSFaRmEHv61XdPCUj3KMffs4=; b=lQD2prVfyozjoVaW8XdlhWiI/1QO/qWS5S7wpY2bwvGhnyZWLRzSe2snR8ILiuLDLb 6GLaxqo+MCSHYzCJVzZFNiOpEwOQw9iplqqYRq0/Qadbk6qEUohOoZm6GMI09E0PNkgV 8yI2LzQgi7nqglEaG4xL0NtA+eD17T0uZZEbqFCgdmDi5OHTsxD7B1QCrmfyHnLvHE2w 2viWM8t+OZzBZvk9YAw+0a/o9/VP/8h8tozOXEbKmo+m22BIKNwEFSl18p+FiTiBL27d DiQBLhK3Y9+ZJOY3/ufxp9YmjLEKIU/drVb20JiVANobMXE5gKhe/LlaqEX+R30bciaX eIRQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=JoYsPpKpzELkJI/hbZtGSFaRmEHv61XdPCUj3KMffs4=; b=azbhMlRcF329m014j8t0OASUZmFhQ6fg2WqfzZN1eX/wGr098p8aqP3KA+xJpZxmpR fx0nxAm1xE4JEMPTqfOTWwSl5Qlx1cO1qG3sGrkgIEfw19Q0iW3euRoh8lk2hky1mNue 78YoBclaoJir45uauNA8zSIghs09jcLfrKEpcpTadM/kWCYskmu2SRQYz3Sj9Pxl/8i4 CyAHzQM+4j3KwCEzRDlxwm/zNtQ6cVzYeMklra7okmAB0GuEVOIjtndKEYBhqSAMnQtD wypUYGOg53FU8FgIBnzFgkRz7RPOZDl/dbT/tDfQ+rdsK3EmyUH9mmDPu99pg3gVLEsU DC5g== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7Guew5sLcV3gYJ6kZwQCMQ75SrevMLyUK0M3FkzVR0UlKCSVrHw bu+/29Bd/EM+G+C0Xq/6KsBL+qWhMjWltzdrpak= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELtQl5WtVmqlQJ4GSGtNWiZit8ALz6g6oOFCG/wDB1Du0FHO8qrg0u6OTDyRaOiwF0DcbWwrTTqezxl7JqzOjzQ= X-Received: by 10.28.55.72 with SMTP id e69mr4361310wma.86.1520121228830; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 15:53:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: mozolevsky@gmail.com Received: by 10.28.249.9 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 15:53:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <6d2JakAYeM2E8PxcTzAulsl0FCU-76lOjBF_KOn-HtspxRbrGVkZWKi0K2BwErZJnQ3eEbuLp4eOUOhehhBwRfgu3Q9nABfOd5uzv1Mi1ZA=@protonmail.com> From: Igor Mozolevsky Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 23:53:08 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3METqiI0ch7fXuKk-9FGUWDcOro Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD's politics problem To: "M." Cc: John Darrah , "freebsd-chat@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2018 23:53:50 -0000 On 3 March 2018 at 23:11, M. wrote: > This is some joke ? > Actually, if you read the messages in the linked mbox, it's quite hilarious, but only in that the strong proponents of the CoC (pun intended, right?! :-)) ) fall foul of the CoC within a few messages of their replies... Literally, can't make it up! -- Igor M. From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Sat Mar 3 23:58:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5BCF47B8D for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 23:58:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic308-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic308-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.178.148]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6D4B7E0D7 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 23:58:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: xTHUVp8VM1ldXExsQeLCIMCQmCUFg5CWZEDerJ.VLcg6dcb9weIXR1hPTc3qhht sxD1ps45deJkHWdxdQk8Hwgc5m.EfyM0rfK4jJs_ORKCVc67Iuv_YgKZAFG6pegTY3rYfWDqMzhu 80ZhLW2uxDab5ipLRQ_l2t8edF0PqWmFkdDbNKSusJQ9aXB6yS.q3lNtru.pDhCd_1uYIZeHTBJ6 30UEyN2YIPdkXlfjTOWZhjvMvia1pkGoRTQXmo_COf2esELpv1XOUtiiTkxUh8d.uJKOb.oCkoGE gi.WxHz91PyWbIrQvz13tOFoq.BaRe6DrclXDqXIOdOhjfVjs9nZKesY.F9_wfb2gDW98w46TA3h 2aZLMdoJ198Jfc_kALpNn98fF1aMB08upxSXYXENhzICKLT6_ds1x9V.AUgnsB_xOESt2dc1xTLP uvVJWU7dTrHqVAwPwZjtBPWGZuNEeao70AWzqQHaGY1SlJHZ6LsWtI1YQACnqavgp8MroqD.doUW MYeKRJmf2x41sMD3_3dvlM9yyDAh98NNqpxMhgc5hNwsT7gWOm60- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic308.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 23:58:26 +0000 Received: from smtp170.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (EHLO archlinux.localdomain) ([46.228.39.37]) by smtp408.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (JAMES SMTP Server ) with ESMTPA ID a5789b865146ebe6052de51d9ba5cbe2 for ; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 23:48:18 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 00:48:26 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's politics problem Message-ID: <20180304004826.77f6b1d5@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: References: <6d2JakAYeM2E8PxcTzAulsl0FCU-76lOjBF_KOn-HtspxRbrGVkZWKi0K2BwErZJnQ3eEbuLp4eOUOhehhBwRfgu3Q9nABfOd5uzv1Mi1ZA=@protonmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git24 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2018 23:58:34 -0000 Most of this CoC https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct.html is overdoing problems, let alone that the reporting instructions are a bit overdone or unnecessary. "simulated physical contact (e.g., textual descriptions like "*hug*"" "If you believe anyone is in physical danger, please notify appropriate law enforcement first." However, it's just wasting time to question it. IMO it makes more sense to ignore this zeitgeist.