From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sun Aug 26 00:16:26 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6015E109A371; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 00:16:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johalun0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x42d.google.com (mail-wr1-x42d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2876871CF; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 00:16:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johalun0@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x42d.google.com with SMTP id m27-v6so10423544wrf.3; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 17:16:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=4j7aGeQLzfvQz4qUxylgDccutJyq99cc2ESqnWhB2yw=; b=PChe7xcp+zuNCHKANGGQgxMwKEvR+jo+CvuYRxYwsb4VZHINzp+Idqn9yG03iDluRh HSAKU2qVfyv7V6rlsHYF1asxU8gjfLtESNDitks6niq4u2Ijk8HMv8t46gdJUV2kKZpb /9rHgiWy/rOODRpjoc3bRCOCP7JZE92ga0LlPCLsftmK93m16VI/oh91Fgn8F4b2Qzbx HT1eGV9+8O39yPElhTWNvqyRvH1lBriIw+8G73JYNVqZvOnWXSnPK+U0BHg9xvdDX533 lLBKaqjLKPKnWo2rOhhJQ+He0gYaJYIeMNkTABWEEJ4nDK1rPUgM7NAPnyox0rrQbas4 Vrbw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=4j7aGeQLzfvQz4qUxylgDccutJyq99cc2ESqnWhB2yw=; b=T47pbCkV2sQc1rMQqqbGk3y4PLuYMyBTEUpDCnu7Fdi+yqHqA2YzeYbbUFbiAZzwvy 9TAIKYIXHP2WY8ho7g+CfU02Ie9GgAJX7KJbrxLJ/9YvSApLvihxMroqRD/dfv1cQWvi pnhoYK2Ko5jSNVc5PS6JZitWdJIoL1MEmTlGFfODqBCquiIRnLF+n5a1VOFw1qPHXlyY Daw4pjJwOVTwDvp5oMYW6NoID1Y0JWr3uwpMWVTEBVdUd6BnmcnaNOgZLnTlWI6S51yL OpAIENSFvW0iN0C0/7o3uiw3GU1ifKq9stnV/KJR9/eHgKiutkq+cVOlF/0hPQLcwPqc p2mw== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51CWqs6Et9/M2c3PgQka6lZqzLRr51KKdfqctUOthAycgywYJ+dq yxu76JFjLgYx50j2eSWtIk9mSSDuoojd1tqfOrs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0Vda9/nGM8S76TKSBtkrhCcU3oVntKvmXDob9O2XzV9dnR9VXt8NwkLa6L1sWxTA/m5/NG5dDmCk51uZx3rhG7Ac= X-Received: by 2002:adf:fc44:: with SMTP id e4-v6mr1633402wrs.9.1535242583733; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 17:16:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20180824215302.ivfna55jtrtc5trg@freebsd480.station> <86k1oepbdr.fsf@next.des.no> In-Reply-To: From: Johannes Lundberg Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 01:16:13 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12 To: blubee blubeeme Cc: Ali Abdallah , FreeBSD current , Warner Losh , des@des.no, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, mmacy@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 00:16:26 -0000 On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 00:25 blubee blubeeme wrote: > On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 2:08 AM Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wro= te: > > > blubee blubeeme writes: > > > True on both points my tone is just a reflection of attitudes of the > > > individuals that I am currently addressing. > > > > Well, congratulations on alienating absolutely everybody you have > > interacted with on this topic. > > > > > Some people enjoy making contributions w/o waving a banner constantly > > > wanting acknowledgement, a pat on the head and good job from everyone= . > > > > The only person I see constantly craving attention and validation from > > others here is you. > > > > > How far will core FreeBSD bend over backwards to accommodate these > > > devs. > > > > The core team does not decide what goes into the tree or not. The > > developers do. > > > > > This is the beauty of an open source project, we bring the best to th= e > > > table, [...] > > > > Who exactly is =E2=80=9Cwe=E2=80=9D here? You are not a member of the = project, you do > > not speak for the project, and after seeing how you treat our fellow > > developers, our friends, most of us want nothing to do with you. If > > can't live with that, I'm sure you can figure out how to install Linux. > > > > DES > > -- > > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no > > > Some on here want to attack my personality because they think that I am > abrasive, fine but that's not the issue. > > Some claim that they run the code and it works wonderful for them with no > issues, again that's lovely keep on running the code. > > Nevertheless let me restate the point that you guys are all seeming to > miss; If you can go out and build custom kernels with custom options and > out of mainline tree that's fine, keep doing that until you have somethin= g > that's production ready and as easy to install as the rest of FreeBSD > system. > > The graphics stack on FreeBSD is pretty bad as it stands but all the > documentation currently out there is about using it as it stands now. > > Why do you need to rip out the current graphics drivers which will break > systems for the vast majority of silent users who will not complain and > just leave? > > ---- A little background ---- > Do you know why Samsung, Motorola, Sony, LG, Nokia, etc... never update > their phones to the latest android version? > > It's because the Linux kernel is such a mess they know it's a waste of > resources to try. You should not have to ask how or why I know this but i= f > it's unclear I was in the field. > ----------------------------------- > > Now you guys who claim to only be hobbyist doing this in their free time > expect to maintain this when those companies with all their resources > cannot? > > Those 30,000 ports many of them bring bugs with them because of this > Linuxkpi stuff. Just recently there was a user who said google earth > doesn't work the answer was it doesn't work and that's that. > > They get ported and then get dropped so while the ports tree is large, if > you actually try to use some of those programs they are broken, maintenan= ce > hell for the developers and confusion for the users. > > Johannes Lundberg I know that you are one of the main working on this > linuxkpi stuff but anyone else is free to answer as well. > > Let's have an open discussion why do you need to remove the current > graphics stack to continue with your work? This has been discussed over and over on the mailing list and I don=E2=80= =99t think anyone wants to do it over again so please feel free to search the archives. You=E2=80=99re misinformed. We are not removing anything for anyone. We are= moving it to ports. =E2=80=9Cpkg install drm-legacy-kmod=E2=80=9D will install those drivers fo= r you that were earlier in base. I thought we have been clear about this but maybe we haven=E2=80=99t been clear enough. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " >