From owner-freebsd-fcp@freebsd.org Wed Oct 17 09:48:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-fcp@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B09410CFD21; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 09:48:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@npo-lencor.ru) Received: from forward105j.mail.yandex.net (forward105j.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:801:2::108]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "forwards.mail.yandex.net", Issuer "Yandex CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9503579917; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 09:48:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@npo-lencor.ru) Received: from mxback20j.mail.yandex.net (mxback20j.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1619::114]) by forward105j.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 45035186439; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 12:48:28 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp3o.mail.yandex.net (smtp3o.mail.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::27]) by mxback20j.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id PYJa1AcOGS-mS6uA48u; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 12:48:28 +0300 Received: by smtp3o.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id Fpzm3Rs9h3-mRjGQMce; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 12:48:27 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) Subject: Re: FCP-0101: Deprecating most 10/100 Ethernet drivers To: Brooks Davis References: <20181003210516.GA71565@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-fcp@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Nikita Druba Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 12:48:26 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181003210516.GA71565@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> Content-Language: ru Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-fcp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Community Proposals List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 09:48:40 -0000 04.10.2018 0:05, Brooks Davis пишет: >>>> Please direct replies to freebsd-arch <<< > FCP-01010 (https://github.com/freebsd/fcp/blob/master/fcp-0101.md) > outlines a plan to deprecate most 10/100 Ethernet drivers in FreeBSD 12 > and remove them in FreeBSD 13 to reduce the burden of maintaining and > improving the network stack. We have discussed this within the > core team and intend to move forward as proposed. We are solictiting > feedback on the list of drivers to be excepted from removal. > > The current list of drivers slated for REMOVAL is: > > ae, bfe, bm, cs, dme, ed, ep, ex, fe, pcn, rl, sf, smc, sn, > ste, tl, tx, txp, vx, wb, xe > > The current list of drivers that will STAY in the tree is: > > dc, ffec, fxpl, hme, le, sis, vr, xl > > The criteria for exception are: > - Popular in applications where it is likely to be deployed beyond the > support lifetime of FreeBSD 12 (late 2023). > - 5 reports of uses in the wild on machines running FreeBSD 12 will be > deemed satisfy the "popular" > requirement. > - Required to make a well supported embedded or emulation platform usable. > - Ported to use iflib (reducing future maintenance cost.) > > Please reply to this message with nominations to the exception list. > > The full FCP-0101 is included below. > > -- Brooks > > --- > authors: Brooks Davis > state: feedback > --- > > # FCP 101: Deprecation and removal of 10/100 Ethernet drivers > > Deprecate most 10 and 10/100Mbps Ethernet drivers and remove them before > FreeBSD 13. > > ## Problem Statement > > Each network driver creates drag for the project as we attempt to > improve the network stack or provide new features such as expanded > 32-bit compatibility. For example, the author has edited every single > NIC driver more than once in the past year to update management (`ioctl`) > interfaces. We could improve this situation by converting drivers to > iflib, but each additional driver takes work. > > 10 and 100 megabit Ethernet drivers are largely irrelevant today > and we have a significant number of them in the tree. The ones that > are no longer used and/or are not known to be working need to be > removed due to the significant ongoing 'tax' on new development. > > For at least a decade, most systems (including small embedded > systems) have shipped with gigabit Ethernet devices and virtual > machines commonly emulate popular gigabit devices. We wish to > retain support for popular physical and virtual devices while > removing support for uncommon ones. With a few exceptions these > drivers are unlikely to be used by our user base by the time FreeBSD > 12 is obsolete (approximately 2024). > > ## Proposed Solution > > We propose to deprecate devices which are not sufficiently popular. This > will entail: > - (October 2018) Send this list to freebsd-net and freebsd-stable. > - (Before FreeBSD 12.0-RELEASE - October 2018) Update the manpages and > attach routines for each device to be removed and merge those changes > to FreeBSD 12. > - (One month after FreeBSD 12.0-RELEASE - January 2018) Remind > freebsd-net and freebsd-stable users of pending deletion. > - (Two months after FreeBSD 12.0-RELEASE - February 2019) Delete deprecated > devices. > > Through out this process, solicit feedback on additions to the exception > list and update this document as required. For a device to be placed on > the exception list the device must meet one of the following criteria: > - Popular in applications where it is likely to be deployed beyond the > support lifetime of FreeBSD 12 (late 2023). > - 5 reports of uses in the wild on machines running FreeBSD 12 will be > deemed satisfy the "popular" > requirement. > - Required to make a well supported embedded or emulation platform usable. > - Ported to use iflib (reducing future maintenance cost.) > > ### Exceptions to removal > > Device | Reason > -------|------------------------------------------------- > ffec | Onboard Ethernet for Vybrid arm7 boards > fxp | Popular device long recommended by the project. > dc | Popular device for CardBus card. > hme | Built in interface on many supported sparc64 platforms. > le | Emulated by QEMU, alternatives don't yet work for mips64. > sis | Soekris Engineering net45xx, net48xx, lan1621, and lan1641. > vr | Soekris Engineering net5501, some Asus motherboards. > xl | Popular device for CardBus card. > > Note: USB devices have been excluded from consideration in this round. > > ### Device to be removed > > ae, bfe, bm, cs, dme, ed, ep, ex, fe, pcn, rl, sf, smc, sn, > ste, tl, tx, txp, vx, wb, xe > > ## Final Disposition > > TBD Hello! My servers use rl and bfe devices from deprecated list. Also I have some ed devices for replacement failed adapters. Also I can try do convertion to iflib for bfe, rl and ed devices, but still no one not showed good example driver that has already been converted... P.S. So late, because I was away and just returned. From owner-freebsd-fcp@freebsd.org Wed Oct 17 17:51:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-fcp@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A6210DB231; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 17:51:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mazhe@alkumuna.eu) Received: from smtp5-g21.free.fr (smtp5-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A57FC8BE64; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 17:51:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mazhe@alkumuna.eu) Received: from yggdrasil.alkumuna.eu (unknown [IPv6:2a01:e34:ec17:2560:232:36ff:fe5c:3a87]) by smtp5-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE8965FFC6; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 19:51:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from gramr.alkumuna.eu ([IPv6:2a01:e34:ec17:2560:62a4:4cff:fe54:b212]) (authenticated bits=0) by yggdrasil.alkumuna.eu (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w9HHp4xR034085 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 17 Oct 2018 19:51:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mazhe@alkumuna.eu) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 19:51:04 +0200 From: Matthieu Volat To: Brooks Davis Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-fcp@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FCP-0101: Deprecating most 10/100 Ethernet drivers Message-ID: <20181017195104.1e2ac9ad@gramr.alkumuna.eu> In-Reply-To: <20181003210516.GA71565@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> References: <20181003210516.GA71565@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/0hqv/cPb1GSOz.8MvQCcs1r"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alkumuna.eu; s=default; t=1539798666; bh=wFmX6dcFt3m4xJwy5KmjAZxzxGrI2FA0YEQHxoe/Rgk=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=M17lKLU6DOQ63cEKclHL0wCBFetHoz1nOtJlLvvlhYAX1dJbP6U8YLi5hv6SpwFTwePnVMyeeVITGAtwCE8MzAFutjFm9iPw3CKyGJ+Sdl7y9SxMWtJWfb8Va9KUy4qpz8BbzpTYq5VcK8mssytUHNo2SCB4iY61bozko69z+Og= X-BeenThere: freebsd-fcp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Community Proposals List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 17:51:24 -0000 --Sig_/0hqv/cPb1GSOz.8MvQCcs1r Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 21:05:16 +0000 Brooks Davis wrote: > >>> Please direct replies to freebsd-arch <<< =20 >=20 > FCP-01010 (https://github.com/freebsd/fcp/blob/master/fcp-0101.md) > outlines a plan to deprecate most 10/100 Ethernet drivers in FreeBSD 12 > and remove them in FreeBSD 13 to reduce the burden of maintaining and > improving the network stack. We have discussed this within the > core team and intend to move forward as proposed. We are solictiting > feedback on the list of drivers to be excepted from removal. >=20 > The current list of drivers slated for REMOVAL is: >=20 > ae, bfe, bm, cs, dme, ed, ep, ex, fe, pcn, rl, sf, smc, sn, > ste, tl, tx, txp, vx, wb, xe >=20 > The current list of drivers that will STAY in the tree is: >=20 > dc, ffec, fxpl, hme, le, sis, vr, xl >=20 > The criteria for exception are: > - Popular in applications where it is likely to be deployed beyond the > support lifetime of FreeBSD 12 (late 2023). > - 5 reports of uses in the wild on machines running FreeBSD 12 will be > deemed satisfy the "popular" > requirement. > - Required to make a well supported embedded or emulation platform usabl= e. > - Ported to use iflib (reducing future maintenance cost.) >=20 > Please reply to this message with nominations to the exception list. >=20 > The full FCP-0101 is included below. >=20 > -- Brooks >=20 > --- > authors: Brooks Davis > state: feedback > --- >=20 > # FCP 101: Deprecation and removal of 10/100 Ethernet drivers >=20 > Deprecate most 10 and 10/100Mbps Ethernet drivers and remove them before > FreeBSD 13. >=20 > ## Problem Statement >=20 > Each network driver creates drag for the project as we attempt to > improve the network stack or provide new features such as expanded > 32-bit compatibility. For example, the author has edited every single > NIC driver more than once in the past year to update management (`ioctl`) > interfaces. We could improve this situation by converting drivers to > iflib, but each additional driver takes work. >=20 > 10 and 100 megabit Ethernet drivers are largely irrelevant today > and we have a significant number of them in the tree. The ones that > are no longer used and/or are not known to be working need to be > removed due to the significant ongoing 'tax' on new development. >=20 > For at least a decade, most systems (including small embedded > systems) have shipped with gigabit Ethernet devices and virtual > machines commonly emulate popular gigabit devices. We wish to > retain support for popular physical and virtual devices while > removing support for uncommon ones. With a few exceptions these > drivers are unlikely to be used by our user base by the time FreeBSD > 12 is obsolete (approximately 2024). >=20 > ## Proposed Solution >=20 > We propose to deprecate devices which are not sufficiently popular. This > will entail: > - (October 2018) Send this list to freebsd-net and freebsd-stable. > - (Before FreeBSD 12.0-RELEASE - October 2018) Update the manpages and > attach routines for each device to be removed and merge those changes > to FreeBSD 12. > - (One month after FreeBSD 12.0-RELEASE - January 2018) Remind > freebsd-net and freebsd-stable users of pending deletion. > - (Two months after FreeBSD 12.0-RELEASE - February 2019) Delete depreca= ted > devices. >=20 > Through out this process, solicit feedback on additions to the exception > list and update this document as required. For a device to be placed on > the exception list the device must meet one of the following criteria: > - Popular in applications where it is likely to be deployed beyond the > support lifetime of FreeBSD 12 (late 2023). > - 5 reports of uses in the wild on machines running FreeBSD 12 will be > deemed satisfy the "popular" > requirement. > - Required to make a well supported embedded or emulation platform usabl= e. > - Ported to use iflib (reducing future maintenance cost.) >=20 > ### Exceptions to removal >=20 > Device | Reason > -------|------------------------------------------------- > ffec | Onboard Ethernet for Vybrid arm7 boards > fxp | Popular device long recommended by the project. > dc | Popular device for CardBus card. > hme | Built in interface on many supported sparc64 platforms. > le | Emulated by QEMU, alternatives don't yet work for mips64. > sis | Soekris Engineering net45xx, net48xx, lan1621, and lan1641. > vr | Soekris Engineering net5501, some Asus motherboards. > xl | Popular device for CardBus card. >=20 > Note: USB devices have been excluded from consideration in this round. >=20 > ### Device to be removed >=20 > ae, bfe, bm, cs, dme, ed, ep, ex, fe, pcn, rl, sf, smc, sn, > ste, tl, tx, txp, vx, wb, xe >=20 > ## Final Disposition >=20 > TBD Would it be possible to set a wiki page/section in 12 that display the curr= ent status of removal of those devices? That might be easier for people to = look at their hardware actual state rather than try to trace every answer t= o this thread... Thanks a lot! --Sig_/0hqv/cPb1GSOz.8MvQCcs1r Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEE1xv/SVkem9252haa3yo2fFz8JX4FAlvHdogACgkQ3yo2fFz8 JX66RxAAhQfYTj4ff8KIG0GNnNkuKaui8zOcbSanmnjIQIqkzVCHQy5lZ7lnDgX2 NBV5wCrgQu5tvdjJ9du36DSmFvodgsxg5t5PFfBwcMKXB+LgkOjDLBBy3OwUMgbv GRNbGWU32RZMlBRYmEXe+6LgVtaRIQwQgn9bW64iOxKDJE0nZsFXnVXr7CbpDqOt RUUAMMiqI2my+8Fsdr1o44Hc8eFM/WOH9YPw8KTYIN8mFkqNJdobRWabTo9qY+Iw HAlgGzEhfKP1UYflq84U6yePp5/WAVjOEeuHbAa3u5lMkzN48QzvRbzoVTG01Ogw 6BjKmz8UXr6TWAQweswh9WW0dVxFHTKvI2VeMD6VtlRulZiUakI2ttJrAFuUgYgG ZfK1LD86LQ9a+QTxpiqNslMbeQY2tMK9OELRvBklahjCHjevd419o+e/WvmVrcTo E+cZJLpDXt4QgmWbNmACl6oyKIpAZt5+8PhHbUONfmcJXKUjB3hwBFhCXKpv7a7R L5uQgEzpi6spwz3G9eu7bZPPqsChnrANiH3gcQPRk8099nFLnhV1nbF3z6WdbwR+ ZeATzpidYo+Y0+j2PZCfGpGkazNt6RwsAvpK9WkAjxhqLSt6vn1b50c4zUfk0Gpl cJrdD1Fdds/FGBJMg7q6hOX8j/AhhHIPzLcv/RACFkopQhSwSwI= =IFD0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/0hqv/cPb1GSOz.8MvQCcs1r-- From owner-freebsd-fcp@freebsd.org Wed Oct 17 18:28:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-fcp@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E9B10DC2B9 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 18:28:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-ua1-x929.google.com (mail-ua1-x929.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::929]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F15638D253 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 18:28:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-ua1-x929.google.com with SMTP id c21so5147992uap.7 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 11:28:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=M9hEbrf15LkYlp7t4sEl2Q+Dv8RDUFkQP+/Fvj0y7/w=; b=fpZC5pLOTcWrGGO3L9EvwLHpiWd01xlBbcoMw/OMmLwOo0125N/EhZ8CDWZwMnX1u0 RwXLNlB9NSTWrBNPknFske5aghnEk7qOsLLjq8Q3QVb2YmmaNCiuWkjVIFFjY9pGZjhq PDYk4GXSO2wZCWsd7Hx0WjcBeMDY/tgHZSpZ7zuOHqKgalI5DzP1JaAKe30rFEjHkSJU m0fQ6grEH9Jabhtoz3EUnSB227OfbMtLdIQjjGqHTnBGpKUQFYhRZXqvOzAVKqthdvHL B4D1c8IkQZ0Z7ZEJ1L/3Xtnc8Mq1+tJfbcr9rj4UKi09VQ+ucOg1q/toMVoWYp225Zt4 CwAg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=M9hEbrf15LkYlp7t4sEl2Q+Dv8RDUFkQP+/Fvj0y7/w=; b=YHKY4kYY1IDBU7Afhb8a23b22OqcsO1ehZTwQ3EtXHdsHJD6jMS9cN8U+g72rnlDZZ Kok2ZsszdJKCRjJkq/8NpaGt/uG0ChBRZq0RsPHyUEip+7DrcNW8nKg5Lv1WZpHi/MQU kuEKoyzPyhLCC/rGi6nO5T8wPXStxjG9Q94W6UDqbYIi5Bn/uKubO0m0s5stVdqpwc3R 4kGQ4aJptVrx+rORBQEpKzp7z3HI25i6wN7bOJKWYwKEECEdIfJyFil6Gl+mWV3/cy50 MlLZ5B9qdxUp6VY1S0jPmhqBj+SPSagHw3hWtf7qla03yOjv59BKrqNX+4KwKw1pEqkF pkpQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfohKa05NXLYF+WyL3klcxTEe5+CCqRrmu3OrVbwO9/MsSqARYcUU SyaULV76y6V3Bmkmf0MhsTVC/Rag5W+cbbXMUFq3Fw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV60XwfhtxdH8UUxrCT0aw2Km1uw4fp7VTy3pFy1KC0pB6u9zBilJVlx7tkEfwduEsYCbNExuHLoIr4p+HrynD/s= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:a97:: with SMTP id d23mr11804375uak.39.1539800880318; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 11:28:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20181003210516.GA71565@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> <20181017195104.1e2ac9ad@gramr.alkumuna.eu> In-Reply-To: <20181017195104.1e2ac9ad@gramr.alkumuna.eu> From: Warner Losh Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 12:27:48 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FCP-0101: Deprecating most 10/100 Ethernet drivers To: mazhe@alkumuna.eu Cc: Brooks Davis , FreeBSD Net , freebsd-fcp@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-fcp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Community Proposals List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 18:28:01 -0000 On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 11:52 AM Matthieu Volat wrote: > Would it be possible to set a wiki page/section in 12 that display the > current status of removal of those devices? That might be easier for people > to look at their hardware actual state rather than try to trace every > answer to this thread... > The FCP is being updated and will be uploaded when that's done. At this point, it seems that we have all the data to make the right decisions, at least to tag the drivers deprecated for the 12.0 release when I'm sure will get us additional data. Warner From owner-freebsd-fcp@freebsd.org Wed Oct 17 19:46:02 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-fcp@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC13010DDA02; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 19:46:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mazhe@alkumuna.eu) Received: from smtp5-g21.free.fr (smtp5-g21.free.fr [IPv6:2a01:e0c:1:1599::14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CDD08F3EB; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 19:46:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mazhe@alkumuna.eu) Received: from yggdrasil.alkumuna.eu (unknown [IPv6:2a01:e34:ec17:2560:232:36ff:fe5c:3a87]) by smtp5-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 647275FF20; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 21:45:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from gramr.alkumuna.eu ([IPv6:2a01:e34:ec17:2560:62a4:4cff:fe54:b212]) (authenticated bits=0) by yggdrasil.alkumuna.eu (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w9HJjkwR035124 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 17 Oct 2018 21:45:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mazhe@alkumuna.eu) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 21:45:37 +0200 From: Matthieu Volat To: Warner Losh Cc: Brooks Davis , FreeBSD Net , freebsd-fcp@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: FCP-0101: Deprecating most 10/100 Ethernet drivers Message-ID: <20181017214537.4b500803@gramr.alkumuna.eu> In-Reply-To: References: <20181003210516.GA71565@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> <20181017195104.1e2ac9ad@gramr.alkumuna.eu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/RbvRQFNInMg47Kk6IqBHhYY"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alkumuna.eu; s=default; t=1539805547; bh=8smVUEi43Mjri2veIgEUmwlqlNLRIosaweIGYgTtvY0=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=aZLjaJASz4iMwJWSpA+OwsPgfQR62EluORRGNXpkmmjUk+pPCGyZw9zQ8BZf53DC2Xo0o2fSI+xotySpX/A50GD2RoKOjsCXlURy3jFwIqXZTbCCEvm/RjDgidkkDQ+JzWLRLkSG2PVqhtQUYLx4xTQ0iY0a4CVBcCwqyqkrYmw= X-BeenThere: freebsd-fcp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Community Proposals List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 19:46:02 -0000 --Sig_/RbvRQFNInMg47Kk6IqBHhYY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 12:27:48 -0600 Warner Losh wrote: > On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 11:52 AM Matthieu Volat wrote: >=20 > > Would it be possible to set a wiki page/section in 12 that display the > > current status of removal of those devices? That might be easier for pe= ople > > to look at their hardware actual state rather than try to trace every > > answer to this thread... > > =20 >=20 > The FCP is being updated and will be uploaded when that's done. At > this point, it seems that we have all the data to make the right decision= s, > at least to tag the drivers deprecated for the 12.0 release when I'm sure > will get us additional data. >=20 > Warner Thanks for the info! --Sig_/RbvRQFNInMg47Kk6IqBHhYY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEE1xv/SVkem9252haa3yo2fFz8JX4FAlvHkWcACgkQ3yo2fFz8 JX4uQQ//W2Am4ExBIaEeQYxNHDJ1rqOgxp92AFF/XH8KaOd274Mu8q/XC0kY0h3t is6zyTEJYE+Q3qzo1prQKxg+3uCEy+qKVG2cCVxhMf6gORoxMGmx4bigt7y3ScCP ehswzzh4LuvSqLA3zpH6OFmkdBfQ20wdA6qz1yR3qBDfMANcQ+OF+cMEPeCHdkZL QmCWZuHBBmiH+5CSI/zHN22u18aLvA/O/hMvwyjiM7EOxUp7Fej06NTgq6ZjVK8m 7wLEDIRPXiJCuETpV4/GeI6N80nmRE3B3WM6VG6MebTdtn8eDgFw3nbOWrWkGBSz ZtXwqeHzAbUXEXReg4OYEWt5oBDYxeCDFrZbQZSrljqDZqkBz+AadtVhl6g/3eZv w005+a7FjPdSerTrkg/G6zHeYrjJ9wIM7sFLBKmc9Dik0Xf8wrxPkvV5CmHwNZOZ 3sR1LIZ4FFFe/XseP89ksEibion9yQ7qS78wFqYQdoSNMltfNzINcT3cB63dedhl /jcwbQuVaZIJyxDBW/sfjpYkkYwttoXRKWtKUPfQz9PVFx4eaOjjOy2lvAj4WySA iPCoyE5lkGVG+Sfi/Wp0aahphEpJvHRqRhRSml7PKApBJuDpoE/4XfrLJK0NZY/S VzhBayVet0AcpOEAAav+s6dsm9c9P/rUByexfKFYVkgNV0/z5Mg= =liTm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/RbvRQFNInMg47Kk6IqBHhYY--