From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sat Mar 3 15:25:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF91F44AE1 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 15:25:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from debdrup@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf0-x234.google.com (mail-lf0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15B4185FEA for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 15:25:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from debdrup@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf0-x234.google.com with SMTP id i80so17375057lfg.5 for ; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 07:25:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=vM1kRjpol3JLI8xh5j2JZM9xfiEMlXgEfkbwbE+7Cl0=; b=MIGhCqQO5apKbJC/qnPyjnYbe8JN8qIizdyW5pNJpBKoo92zDVe6h7S+bUdtmlaaMw PsEFUexIpyyIdkQ0LOCX52H/+bdEAqoA9JVvo407S9yXkAnFjgN+C/A6H6e0KC9dKo+9 kOXgtSLjSIF9m9RhvxOprP3xtzCI2+HwHTIZeqslLuFjGFwJW4Gp0UfhH6qNOUEAaAZN QxFVU9bF4w6a5EtrII3npUp2zyqkoXclmgfrJoKoGBfwLk8/4DA99R98/pHQ9RvjxVQi 1PHanbhtm+KtACOGs5CBvUAas0FC6BpSYu6lUp3clYcpIBNMvwvSeAMkLur8GZuecqpk 2PqA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=vM1kRjpol3JLI8xh5j2JZM9xfiEMlXgEfkbwbE+7Cl0=; b=NMNWyGsaGyOjkRng6iQB8Djs+0qGSQ0Lzuby1uqHmiq4dmICuevfQxRqreEEUpbhEe ueciNO+ZyzcOww7RYznU1nex6NbQ1pRP/cgjrxcxI+zBlFO/7qMwlVvhQtMO7dDAxYom eagDP/p59v+/R8McHWLwFrGGRgFAXTG34zScoZo4zx7di4mtZzsWvEsAVe2nihLzT4yg pSGvyd7Jm77KP9VpMJyOq1eBQhenKQH7CcPfcYTSB+7QFQDTbuOvGosHEHup8e+SbAS8 Xvd0QEHQHUDf4V38vqQFl9cNdj9hmXDFIn2JTPL6vR74ulga2hhTm+K4F1m6OkkRk5BR 92AQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPDxhDmpWZDwPETSthkWkCJ+7OS3x3z5NuFOzukIoSvydxqmpcoZ /CJ5AfMktpCR0LQUKocpT5ax0ZDYkYfB3RDBuz103wfI X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELsIGPrEspWh4k33GadPywrFLdLkhCG7RVRhQqwLOWNqPFgF8+zEyd0SBVmq3CcC2PU8nVytrydCWlEfZGhRDb4= X-Received: by 10.46.44.6 with SMTP id s6mr6581129ljs.111.1520090737438; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 07:25:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.46.112.21 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 07:25:36 -0800 (PST) From: "D. Ebdrup" Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 16:25:36 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OpenRC 0.35 for FreeBSD To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 04 Mar 2018 05:21:17 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2018 15:25:39 -0000 On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 3:28 AM, Alan Somers wrote: > On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:37 AM, Lars Engels wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 01, 2018 at 08:02:23PM -0500, Joe Maloney wrote: > > > Hello hackers, > > > I have been working on a single diff version of OpenRC for FreeBSD: > > > > > > https://github.com/pkgdemon/freebsd/commit/b6885cd533c848a1b4f3582f48e40c883669b35c > > > > Thanks for your work! > > > > > > > > Why OpenRC? The licensing is right, and it's a way of adding modern > > > features to service management without reinventing the wheel. That's > > > my sales pitch. > > > > Hm, that does not convince me. FreeBSD's rc is also BSD licensed and did > > not reinvent any wheel. > > Could you maybe give some comparison between OpenRC and our rc? What > > does OpenRC better? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Lars > > > Parallel startup, mainly. This is absolutely not intended to in any way take away from the work that you have done and I don't expect you to answer, but I have to admit that I'm a bit worried about OpenRC since one of the main things it does better still appears to have a rather big and unsolved bug in the form of [1], that has been open since late 2011 according to [2]. And just to make it perfectly clear, I'm not saying that it's an unsolvable problem, but I do think it's one that needs to be solved before OpenRC can be imported. Mind you, I would love to have parallel service start-up - especially for machines with a lot of jails (for example, for non-dependant service separation) that are currently started sequencially, so I think it's fantastic work you've already done, and I definitely encourage you to work on it. [1] https://github.com/OpenRC/openrc/pull/12 [2] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391945 Daniel Ebdrup aka. D. Ebdrup.