From owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Sun Dec 31 00:28:41 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mips@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1EC5EB4D99; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:28:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62DC374F8B; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:28:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id vBV0SXma078435; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:28:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id vBV0SWFO078434; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:28:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201712310028.vBV0SWFO078434@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning In-Reply-To: To: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:28:32 -0800 (PST) CC: Michael Zhilin , Emmanuel Vadot , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , Robert Watson , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-mips@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to MIPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:28:41 -0000 > Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? When last I > tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and generally came > with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. > > mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be deleted w/o loss > of functionality. Please go back and read very carefully what the person said about this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it has NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons comments. > I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It seems to > support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that has a bunch of > errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer chips. What am I > missing? > > Warner > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin wrote: > > > Hi Warner, > > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt are to be kept > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, Mikrotik from > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), sibyte is to be > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g router" with > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). > > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) > > > > Thank you! > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family. > > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh wrote: > > > >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following before the > >> FreeBSD 12 branch. > >> > >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) > >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and boards lack > >> memory, very old) > >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) > >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) > >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) > >> > >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list to arch@. > >> > >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep these older > >> ports > >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even work on these > >> boards anymore. > >> > >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no longer running > >> on > >> them, please let me know. Thanks! > >> > >> Warner > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Sun Dec 31 00:34:27 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mips@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D941EB543E; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:34:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) Received: from mail.blih.net (mail.blih.net [212.83.177.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.blih.net", Issuer "mail.blih.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3024D75749; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:34:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) Received: from mail.blih.net (mail.blih.net [212.83.177.182]) by mail.blih.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 0ddfdc19; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:34:22 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=bidouilliste.com; h= mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:date:from:to :cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:message-id; s=mail; bh=k9QrJf 8sK6p3xN3cMCQzqUba/GE=; b=m4lNbuytKAjfMuhj5GkKLHPrpyHcsT2SziHhrV pI+nbk9PUy0Ap5rGtizes4IeTiZxOO8ltsJcimBPouvYh9Qbxe1wJeMvtCKmZ/Dn Zw/zU0z6BVU18aV7C7Dy6LLpmZu20aTnGPN0VcQCJa6/ogDxum40wOJu6jE089F6 dNi/8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=bidouilliste.com; h= mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:date:from:to :cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:message-id; q=dns; s=mail; b= ssMW25s0KLM3K/BP4QSGnECVR+Qyja5bQ6YY4oZSiiJ/l5KEmRgEE/oZhkfbI3z/ u6c3QO6uBxuW8CARBraAyr+anyNBXtyYzypv0o7nk/BTcIuQ5N0BOEX3JhLuQQCc YZR/xH+eqRFUbaFNJ5JB+Dec/+y7A5A/QUNykKPkbFc= Received: from webmail.megadrive.org (www1.blih.net [212.83.177.180]) by mail.blih.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id f217f2bc; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:34:22 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:34:22 +0100 From: Emmanuel Vadot To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: Warner Losh , Robert Watson , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , freebsd-mips@freebsd.org, owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning Organization: Bidouilliste In-Reply-To: <201712310028.vBV0SWFO078434@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> References: <201712310028.vBV0SWFO078434@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Message-ID: X-Sender: manu@bidouilliste.com User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.1.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mips@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to MIPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:34:27 -0000 On 2017-12-31 01:28, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? When >> last I >> tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and generally >> came >> with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. >> >> mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be deleted w/o >> loss >> of functionality. > > Please go back and read very carefully what the person said about > this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it has > NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons > comments. Please go back and read very carefully what the person said about this. If you cannot read mail please read code, the compat data in https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/sys/mips/mediatek/mtk_soc.c?revision=317873&view=markup#l55 tell me that sys/mips/mediatek support this SoC. > >> I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It seems to >> support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that has a bunch >> of >> errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer chips. What >> am I >> missing? >> >> Warner >> >> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin >> wrote: >> >> > Hi Warner, >> > >> > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt are to be kept >> > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, Mikrotik from >> > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), sibyte is to be >> > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. >> > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g router" with >> > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). >> > >> > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) >> > >> > Thank you! >> > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family. >> > >> > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh wrote: >> > >> >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following before the >> >> FreeBSD 12 branch. >> >> >> >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) >> >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and boards lack >> >> memory, very old) >> >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) >> >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) >> >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) >> >> >> >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list to arch@. >> >> >> >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep these older >> >> ports >> >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even work on these >> >> boards anymore. >> >> >> >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no longer running >> >> on >> >> them, please let me know. Thanks! >> >> >> >> Warner >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >> >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >> >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> -- Emmanuel Vadot From owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Sun Dec 31 00:34:49 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mips@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A621EB5524 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:34:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-it0-x229.google.com (mail-it0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D136575939 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:34:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-it0-x229.google.com with SMTP id b5so34184131itc.3 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:34:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=7LCy3dKR+UC1L35XMRws9UqtE4JvzdBjd9vI5vMc0lU=; b=po7WUDP4Eftf64WNaXaBO5RHyr87V4Q80UQlrDB/YpUTb0B0pibB6aUj2O0YZQdCal kr8IlEQsiXPrlUSfHfXyGRbu5NliZ4oa20q8d7aP5hHZzQ4dirbI+ki62z1VGwQC442e gxmDZk6+ZBVyGTQVypJWV08TLttOenRaVSZdYui2EhApLspB5bJMrQxCjlH9jpMOvTBY 8WZIOJXprs9TGwQOjQlKPmmUCLATSpj95PvQ8x9YCyPPCs9JZWyviJSSd/+mcqHqrGYt XUFuQOjYAn08b9R95LYZioEZkSVEowIWtjTt/Q9vU8kN19j3JcuwyHr1LaTSe6ZKqwrF 3o0w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=7LCy3dKR+UC1L35XMRws9UqtE4JvzdBjd9vI5vMc0lU=; b=n7XpivK99jvWxv1e8QbSIwIPyizypSEAcvV/eH4H2TmW1YY7S+m3hOAFxyPuZVO4rj tv+fLnV/MOZ6r/smBXkoEh2eEls3a+H7xDCicwLDg+5KDfVZYD3F1bSDV2dGJp2R9jU9 HTKTgdtXHQJjoPSieu+JrHHWzXVZYX4MWLklLGUBnw3xR5VQRyqqeBq9iyOvMep0EtgY Acks0fv923Eg9q7TlYi1f12dpX/2hUOiS32QOS4HsrnQQ9dtFVtiSGGjuBf12nnf3Akd L8PJn2gXYEMYyzMPM+Y+5i5jfuMEXRv0H7s2W0r5zQ01GouXho70YcXCVczANRCus/Tg cFJA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mKr97ilNWW3E2YNWd2k4ZCYNXkzdA7wk/ZzAx0dG0WhUlaZsFUs M1BqgxERThrAANyItfher0xMKPgCLQ3Tr6wmqpiL/w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBovLkI1fYEi2eT5ePutNBe8pPB0mcA8qFBH5dMTQwwt8j/ln4ouXnyf9Zud87XG1WIBURNGxukM2EU+PyRXy7dI= X-Received: by 10.36.77.143 with SMTP id l137mr51173337itb.50.1514680488144; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:34:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 10.79.108.204 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:34:47 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [2603:300b:6:5100:1052:acc7:f9de:2b6d] In-Reply-To: <201712310028.vBV0SWFO078434@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> References: <201712310028.vBV0SWFO078434@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> From: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:34:47 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: KiRh1mix1LK1t3KgsbP6Vou9dmY Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: Michael Zhilin , Emmanuel Vadot , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , Robert Watson , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mips@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to MIPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:34:49 -0000 On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? When last I > > tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and generally > came > > with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. > > > > mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be deleted w/o > loss > > of functionality. > > Please go back and read very carefully what the person said about > this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it has > NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons > comments. That's not how I read it. I read it as "this is what we planned, and we've arrived." However, out of an abundance of caution, I sent an email asking for confirmation. Code inspection certainly suggests that my interpretation is correct. Warner > > > I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It seems to > > support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that has a bunch of > > errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer chips. What am > I > > missing? > > > > Warner > > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin > wrote: > > > > > Hi Warner, > > > > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt are to be > kept > > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, Mikrotik from > > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), sibyte is > to be > > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. > > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g router" with > > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). > > > > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) > > > > > > Thank you! > > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your > family. > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > > >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following > before the > > >> FreeBSD 12 branch. > > >> > > >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) > > >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and boards lack > > >> memory, very old) > > >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) > > >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) > > >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) > > >> > > >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list to > arch@. > > >> > > >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep these older > > >> ports > > >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even work on > these > > >> boards anymore. > > >> > > >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no longer > running > > >> on > > >> them, please let me know. Thanks! > > >> > > >> Warner > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ > freebsd.org" > > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > -- > Rod Grimes > rgrimes@freebsd.org > From owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Sun Dec 31 00:46:28 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mips@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CBC7EB5F00; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:46:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12462763F4; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:46:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id vBV0kLmR078534; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:46:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id vBV0kLQ7078533; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:46:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201712310046.vBV0kLQ7078533@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning In-Reply-To: To: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:46:21 -0800 (PST) CC: Robert Watson , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , Emmanuel Vadot , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-mips@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to MIPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:46:28 -0000 > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < > freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > > > Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? When last I > > > tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and generally > > came > > > with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. > > > > > > mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be deleted w/o > > loss > > > of functionality. > > > > Please go back and read very carefully what the person said about > > this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it has > > NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons > > comments. > > > That's not how I read it. I read it as "this is what we planned, and we've > arrived." However, out of an abundance of caution, I sent an email asking > for confirmation. Code inspection certainly suggests that my interpretation > is correct. Thanks. Also you might want to ping the router projects folks, as I believe many of the mips based routers use this SOC and they may have info on which of the implementations work better, and/or if the mediatek branch is up to speed and the rt305x can just be axed. I know this project is out there someplace, but can not find a link for it right now. And I have seen some activity someplace from them in the last 3 or 4 months. > Warner > > > > > > > I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It seems to > > > support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that has a bunch of > > > errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer chips. What am > > I > > > missing? > > > > > > Warner > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Warner, > > > > > > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt are to be > > kept > > > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, Mikrotik from > > > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), sibyte is > > to be > > > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. > > > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g router" with > > > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). > > > > > > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) > > > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your > > family. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > > > > >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following > > before the > > > >> FreeBSD 12 branch. > > > >> > > > >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) > > > >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and boards lack > > > >> memory, very old) > > > >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) > > > >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) > > > >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) > > > >> > > > >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list to > > arch@. > > > >> > > > >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep these older > > > >> ports > > > >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even work on > > these > > > >> boards anymore. > > > >> > > > >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no longer > > running > > > >> on > > > >> them, please let me know. Thanks! > > > >> > > > >> Warner > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ > > freebsd.org" > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > -- > > Rod Grimes > > rgrimes@freebsd.org > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Sun Dec 31 01:04:52 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mips@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2EFEEB6DF2; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:04:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) Received: from mail.blih.net (mail.blih.net [212.83.177.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.blih.net", Issuer "mail.blih.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B08C17771E; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:04:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) Received: from mail.blih.net (mail.blih.net [212.83.177.182]) by mail.blih.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id b4f78b76; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:04:49 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=bidouilliste.com; h= mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:date:from:to :cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:message-id; s=mail; bh=o0Jzx6 BPFIyTP44625CknCF+Wqc=; b=gWjU4BHpR5Z/6rEyH6dd/UHlOWs98BKNJDgrhj QbnZVmK7Lww01YnsVfHBLv4/SXY665HDJNdfyNkvtXOfMXiokKMLaGdpsDNShJUk G1NX9+QR+DsAKgp5rTcuoRwxBm4WqZeBBILWjV7ZItP/fQgDeNbTJZLluE/cxFUx E+BLs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=bidouilliste.com; h= mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:date:from:to :cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:message-id; q=dns; s=mail; b= XQOES9SLvqrQ2LL/aFVU2NDoJsaOV49MvNrF+b+a2D1EtvC8qYTJG26IuubQ+U64 UBmnF1GY3EHeSJEu4tEBqORRh3crGwa/TPa7BTiA5OU2kCj86g+15jdv3JjCRsWA 3Bf3leanKHb2P/Atz/kN0RlP/E8TbXEYrQRroo/AFCw= Received: from webmail.megadrive.org (www1.blih.net [212.83.177.180]) by mail.blih.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 7dc1514c; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:04:49 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:04:49 +0100 From: Emmanuel Vadot To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: Warner Losh , freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org, Robert Watson , freebsd-mips@freebsd.org, owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning Organization: Bidouilliste In-Reply-To: <201712310046.vBV0kLQ7078533@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> References: <201712310046.vBV0kLQ7078533@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Message-ID: <12b36190fcd6918a01d88fd4dbf1a220@megadrive.org> X-Sender: manu@bidouilliste.com User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.1.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mips@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to MIPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:04:52 -0000 On 2017-12-31 01:46, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < >> freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: >> >> > > Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? When last I >> > > tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and generally >> > came >> > > with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. >> > > >> > > mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be deleted w/o >> > loss >> > > of functionality. >> > >> > Please go back and read very carefully what the person said about >> > this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it has >> > NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons >> > comments. >> >> >> That's not how I read it. I read it as "this is what we planned, and >> we've >> arrived." However, out of an abundance of caution, I sent an email >> asking >> for confirmation. Code inspection certainly suggests that my >> interpretation >> is correct. > > Thanks. Also you might want to ping the router projects folks, > as I believe many of the mips based routers use this SOC and > they may have info on which of the implementations work better, > and/or if the mediatek branch is up to speed and the rt305x > can just be axed. I know this project is out there someplace, > but can not find a link for it right now. And I have seen > some activity someplace from them in the last 3 or 4 months. "router project folks" ? Who are you talking about exactly ? >> Warner >> >> >> > >> > > I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It seems to >> > > support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that has a bunch of >> > > errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer chips. What am >> > I >> > > missing? >> > > >> > > Warner >> > > >> > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > > Hi Warner, >> > > > >> > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt are to be >> > kept >> > > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, Mikrotik from >> > > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), sibyte is >> > to be >> > > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. >> > > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g router" with >> > > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). >> > > > >> > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) >> > > > >> > > > Thank you! >> > > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your >> > family. >> > > > >> > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following >> > before the >> > > >> FreeBSD 12 branch. >> > > >> >> > > >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) >> > > >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and boards lack >> > > >> memory, very old) >> > > >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) >> > > >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) >> > > >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) >> > > >> >> > > >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list to >> > arch@. >> > > >> >> > > >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep these older >> > > >> ports >> > > >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even work on >> > these >> > > >> boards anymore. >> > > >> >> > > >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no longer >> > running >> > > >> on >> > > >> them, please let me know. Thanks! >> > > >> >> > > >> Warner >> > > >> _______________________________________________ >> > > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >> > > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >> > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ >> > freebsd.org" >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >> > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >> > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > Rod Grimes >> > rgrimes@freebsd.org >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> -- Emmanuel Vadot From owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Sun Dec 31 01:18:01 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mips@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09718EB7A54; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:18:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA18A7806D; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:18:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id vBV1HvEv078763; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:17:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id vBV1HvNi078762; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:17:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201712310117.vBV1HvNi078762@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning In-Reply-To: <12b36190fcd6918a01d88fd4dbf1a220@megadrive.org> To: Emmanuel Vadot Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:17:57 -0800 (PST) CC: Robert Watson , freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org, freebsd-mips@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-mips@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to MIPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:18:01 -0000 > On 2017-12-31 01:46, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > >> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < > >> freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > >> > >> > > Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? When last I > >> > > tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and generally > >> > came > >> > > with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. > >> > > > >> > > mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be deleted w/o > >> > loss > >> > > of functionality. > >> > > >> > Please go back and read very carefully what the person said about > >> > this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it has > >> > NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons > >> > comments. > >> > >> > >> That's not how I read it. I read it as "this is what we planned, and > >> we've > >> arrived." However, out of an abundance of caution, I sent an email > >> asking > >> for confirmation. Code inspection certainly suggests that my > >> interpretation > >> is correct. > > > > Thanks. Also you might want to ping the router projects folks, > > as I believe many of the mips based routers use this SOC and > > they may have info on which of the implementations work better, > > and/or if the mediatek branch is up to speed and the rt305x > > can just be axed. I know this project is out there someplace, > > but can not find a link for it right now. And I have seen ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > some activity someplace from them in the last 3 or 4 months. > > "router project folks" ? > > Who are you talking about exactly ? I have now found at least one of the links, the zrouter project, http://zrouter.org/projects/zrouter But someone just recently reported on a mailling list that they had updated that work and pointed someplace else, and that is what I am trying to find. > >> Warner > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It seems to > >> > > support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that has a bunch of > >> > > errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer chips. What am > >> > I > >> > > missing? > >> > > > >> > > Warner > >> > > > >> > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin > >> > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Hi Warner, > >> > > > > >> > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt are to be > >> > kept > >> > > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, Mikrotik from > >> > > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), sibyte is > >> > to be > >> > > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. > >> > > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g router" with > >> > > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). > >> > > > > >> > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) > >> > > > > >> > > > Thank you! > >> > > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your > >> > family. > >> > > > > >> > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following > >> > before the > >> > > >> FreeBSD 12 branch. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) > >> > > >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and boards lack > >> > > >> memory, very old) > >> > > >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) > >> > > >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) > >> > > >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) > >> > > >> > >> > > >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list to > >> > arch@. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep these older > >> > > >> ports > >> > > >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even work on > >> > these > >> > > >> boards anymore. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no longer > >> > running > >> > > >> on > >> > > >> them, please let me know. Thanks! > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Warner > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > >> > > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > >> > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ > >> > freebsd.org" > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > >> > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > >> > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Rod Grimes > >> > rgrimes@freebsd.org > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >> "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > > -- > Emmanuel Vadot > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Sun Dec 31 01:22:49 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mips@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C24EB7FA0; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:22:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9220B78477; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:22:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id vBV1Mj3Y078794; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:22:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id vBV1Mjds078793; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:22:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201712310122.vBV1Mjds078793@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning In-Reply-To: <12b36190fcd6918a01d88fd4dbf1a220@megadrive.org> To: Emmanuel Vadot Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:22:45 -0800 (PST) CC: Robert Watson , freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org, freebsd-mips@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-mips@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to MIPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:22:49 -0000 > On 2017-12-31 01:46, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > >> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < > >> freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > >> > >> > > Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? When last I > >> > > tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and generally > >> > came > >> > > with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. > >> > > > >> > > mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be deleted w/o > >> > loss > >> > > of functionality. > >> > > >> > Please go back and read very carefully what the person said about > >> > this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it has > >> > NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons > >> > comments. > >> > >> > >> That's not how I read it. I read it as "this is what we planned, and > >> we've > >> arrived." However, out of an abundance of caution, I sent an email > >> asking > >> for confirmation. Code inspection certainly suggests that my > >> interpretation > >> is correct. > > > > Thanks. Also you might want to ping the router projects folks, > > as I believe many of the mips based routers use this SOC and > > they may have info on which of the implementations work better, > > and/or if the mediatek branch is up to speed and the rt305x > > can just be axed. I know this project is out there someplace, > > but can not find a link for it right now. And I have seen > > some activity someplace from them in the last 3 or 4 months. > > "router project folks" ? > > Who are you talking about exactly ? And now I found the other person that just posted updates on the zrouter code, it is now a git project, and just updated stuff relative to the RT305x stuff one month ago: https://github.com/ZRouter/ZRouter/tree/master/socs/Ralink Project top is at https://github.com/ZRouter > >> Warner > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It seems to > >> > > support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that has a bunch of > >> > > errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer chips. What am > >> > I > >> > > missing? > >> > > > >> > > Warner > >> > > > >> > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin > >> > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Hi Warner, > >> > > > > >> > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt are to be > >> > kept > >> > > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, Mikrotik from > >> > > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), sibyte is > >> > to be > >> > > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. > >> > > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g router" with > >> > > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). > >> > > > > >> > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) > >> > > > > >> > > > Thank you! > >> > > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your > >> > family. > >> > > > > >> > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following > >> > before the > >> > > >> FreeBSD 12 branch. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) > >> > > >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and boards lack > >> > > >> memory, very old) > >> > > >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) > >> > > >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) > >> > > >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) > >> > > >> > >> > > >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list to > >> > arch@. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep these older > >> > > >> ports > >> > > >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even work on > >> > these > >> > > >> boards anymore. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no longer > >> > running > >> > > >> on > >> > > >> them, please let me know. Thanks! > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Warner > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > >> > > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > >> > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ > >> > freebsd.org" > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > >> > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > >> > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Rod Grimes > >> > rgrimes@freebsd.org > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >> "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > > -- > Emmanuel Vadot > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Sun Dec 31 01:42:00 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mips@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E2CEB91A9 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:42:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-io0-x22b.google.com (mail-io0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB51A79201 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:42:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-io0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id v30so12623957iov.7 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:42:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=hCHtRE6yF43lSEoyqUav0xI65h5Ed7jLS11DeVxG27g=; b=eHiRTMfFw741JXdcGpj9lpMdGZx4KL5WTuhFU1ffS/1Zu4xfPZRFnFnIifuBNEQoym INtJpqksUzFPtty932J0Z/VNRIzCjNbXf76ydKcCl9eTlOxGyVreNeu3kFSfrs2QM/Bi 5loIEkyOr5/p6H0OMAr8PaSy45AN7VSDpLKXAR5+PXU/dUXXemxvoUnb8WscJGStyYN1 j6Vd7V7mS7ac5kL+hWiJWNWY6svD8RbmKwiNJzpJTY+iwRBGMu2oNTSTaig5JC7PUsAx jTChjj6arvYrtdY8WUdRCrQrX6UbSM49bUiGeSARHYeeDZtPPlofF4P20DyadsSEGSaq iTxQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=hCHtRE6yF43lSEoyqUav0xI65h5Ed7jLS11DeVxG27g=; b=X/lG4Pv8db6xc7eicV5TXUVtB01ZMIMEqozko2LYfl8VhaOKXzviGwYwnFW8dMdQqn QZ+nS/99lMzCOipVxBCQpq8wkXUoEK2VL5VHNPmQSlQsBkkxxovYodWl0dtxzPHWZdZq yj8UFTy1I7pGN69bj4bO408UlynMdHp5vFIzx0I6gEkwtfhQ7ZXNjlIZspJHwSt2WCKH 786qmbUW3EqfYcf+10KqX3jJq2R0Jumx391kk2AOMtotx1qgc0orMAWC4PLykY12hy3H iasDty0xkzkiF1XhsuQH/lYC6q8xP0/o5/S4MwCS1IduFG1qhNFlwFESrxH33JqMZbtX ccoA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLIZpAhExlxcomtUEnJYTo+2LH5jw5g2bGERuR6lQh7+dzeZwep uGUOglQUl79j+l8RpDoJnto+CbjcqoRC3kvrZT9YLg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBouACYcHFI0KwTMWIww7VD7ef6Dk/TRQ1Zmu8dJgVlPe3MMF0fSJg3fN4uga1Zp5Isj1GcbDNJYTkvOUIVGalV4= X-Received: by 10.107.149.5 with SMTP id x5mr45526077iod.136.1514684519844; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:41:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 10.79.108.204 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:41:59 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [2603:300b:6:5100:1052:acc7:f9de:2b6d] In-Reply-To: <201712310046.vBV0kLQ7078533@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> References: <201712310046.vBV0kLQ7078533@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> From: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 18:41:59 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: zOxbgxFVYoONcTI92vJNjOg--Js Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: Robert Watson , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , Emmanuel Vadot , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mips@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to MIPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 01:42:01 -0000 On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < > > freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > > > > > Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? When > last I > > > > tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and generally > > > came > > > > with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. > > > > > > > > mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be deleted > w/o > > > loss > > > > of functionality. > > > > > > Please go back and read very carefully what the person said about > > > this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it has > > > NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons > > > comments. > > > > > > That's not how I read it. I read it as "this is what we planned, and > we've > > arrived." However, out of an abundance of caution, I sent an email asking > > for confirmation. Code inspection certainly suggests that my > interpretation > > is correct. > > Thanks. Also you might want to ping the router projects folks, > as I believe many of the mips based routers use this SOC and > they may have info on which of the implementations work better, > and/or if the mediatek branch is up to speed and the rt305x > can just be axed. I know this project is out there someplace, > but can not find a link for it right now. And I have seen > some activity someplace from them in the last 3 or 4 months. It's their responsibility to feed back changes to the project if they have them. As far as I can tell in my brief research, they don't have anything relevant. Warner > > Warner > > > > > > > > > > > I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It seems to > > > > support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that has a > bunch of > > > > errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer chips. > What am > > > I > > > > missing? > > > > > > > > Warner > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Warner, > > > > > > > > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt are to > be > > > kept > > > > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, Mikrotik > from > > > > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), sibyte > is > > > to be > > > > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. > > > > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g router" > with > > > > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). > > > > > > > > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) > > > > > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your > > > family. > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following > > > before the > > > > >> FreeBSD 12 branch. > > > > >> > > > > >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) > > > > >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and boards > lack > > > > >> memory, very old) > > > > >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) > > > > >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) > > > > >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) > > > > >> > > > > >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list to > > > arch@. > > > > >> > > > > >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep these > older > > > > >> ports > > > > >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even work > on > > > these > > > > >> boards anymore. > > > > >> > > > > >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no longer > > > running > > > > >> on > > > > >> them, please let me know. Thanks! > > > > >> > > > > >> Warner > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > > > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ > > > freebsd.org" > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ > freebsd.org" > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Rod Grimes > > > rgrimes@freebsd.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > -- > Rod Grimes > rgrimes@freebsd.org > From owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Sun Dec 31 02:08:41 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mips@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09225E80D3B for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:08:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-io0-x22a.google.com (mail-io0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD1207AAF5 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:08:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-io0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id 87so40240030ior.5 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 18:08:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=0sX5xHjpvPKHOcY024tDfyTQtldfL9by52Weto4NXNk=; b=eWeVUQmG8H6hqBveZHAzMTsT+R6KVpsXvNEPs4otmGXqhjM5VCQom3I35T/iKPK04q UdeJqVSjs3axjNrnBMzLaMbI9nmHrtVz/lbJwehrnLc5gfWjErECcxNmu4dhPa6KuP4R jccblX+fDQPrrO91P56ACeCk9K1cFMjA+ZTdOYH1Aa09psK7Nf84UGlgW7SBiAAqjcTa Vy2cLOTzjSHdwdH/VhasD7O3gTLgQJpDfKhUjHW4gX/xg8BZvdlxHOJJilxAVmhqKqXx j5PYj/95YkBrh2N8g7xXKYKv+OevzqU8IlcmahH7+0OwLj1vS8fAME/TjXTVm//x66XD FBmA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=0sX5xHjpvPKHOcY024tDfyTQtldfL9by52Weto4NXNk=; b=maGCFaFWHDHYBV+Wgedbhcmb2Ph7W70tpnXcgtkGDl+FtLmoucCgVYzVj72mr2XA9I Q97Lbz3Mocge+5Nulz4VFkhEwOIWAGpYlPgmGQfsCt9slr7JLA3EQceBteL2UepXwjsG ow1xgrT5DVSQO4YSypLh5SA9bH+hP3zImbhRbYhPx1Nmh2Frw3IJ5HtNv9TpuTcCRGf6 Olf20vVaw+xEHEuHstJM/NJMsD9dCtGf7iWd5brV3DITEU/PsBVyA3i9jh6DUYVv8aQV t1uvQUMkJpUS8HUoyCYqPYVB9hfRxz6l1ZBYk1kzIre+JyvmbI5+HGm3oD25mcv7JAjT lF3A== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mIqjXH8U4TtB9or4j/JmShwum6qkpKKjsFUSDeItXTZBKzb9mlH xSASj8orxXFM/y9lvBF4kdcWYa1H7lAvJr1j4sJ8iw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBote8FQ1jCRNpUAdRkTeV8Ibdkzgg1q/DNbB5u3UJK0xQ3UtkK+3PoakkKCqjaKgKsI4Yzp5LbqzzRYJeiROcz4= X-Received: by 10.107.149.5 with SMTP id x5mr45576278iod.136.1514686119938; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 18:08:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 10.79.108.204 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 18:08:39 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [2603:300b:6:5100:1052:acc7:f9de:2b6d] In-Reply-To: <201712310122.vBV1Mjds078793@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> References: <12b36190fcd6918a01d88fd4dbf1a220@megadrive.org> <201712310122.vBV1Mjds078793@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> From: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 19:08:39 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: JRajeXuu_JvfJUkxvWnYH4y88FY Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: Emmanuel Vadot , Robert Watson , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mips@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to MIPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:08:41 -0000 On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > On 2017-12-31 01:46, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > >> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < > > >> freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? > When last I > > >> > > tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and > generally > > >> > came > > >> > > with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. > > >> > > > > >> > > mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be > deleted w/o > > >> > loss > > >> > > of functionality. > > >> > > > >> > Please go back and read very carefully what the person said about > > >> > this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it has > > >> > NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons > > >> > comments. > > >> > > >> > > >> That's not how I read it. I read it as "this is what we planned, and > > >> we've > > >> arrived." However, out of an abundance of caution, I sent an email > > >> asking > > >> for confirmation. Code inspection certainly suggests that my > > >> interpretation > > >> is correct. > > > > > > Thanks. Also you might want to ping the router projects folks, > > > as I believe many of the mips based routers use this SOC and > > > they may have info on which of the implementations work better, > > > and/or if the mediatek branch is up to speed and the rt305x > > > can just be axed. I know this project is out there someplace, > > > but can not find a link for it right now. And I have seen > > > some activity someplace from them in the last 3 or 4 months. > > > > "router project folks" ? > > > > Who are you talking about exactly ? > > And now I found the other person that just posted updates on the > zrouter code, it is now a git project, and just updated stuff > relative to the RT305x stuff one month ago: > https://github.com/ZRouter/ZRouter/tree/master/socs/Ralink > > Project top is at https://github.com/ZRouter Looks like they'll have to update. Should be pretty easy. I'll ping. Warner > > >> Warner > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It seems > to > > >> > > support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that has a > bunch of > > >> > > errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer chips. > What am > > >> > I > > >> > > missing? > > >> > > > > >> > > Warner > > >> > > > > >> > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin > > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > > Hi Warner, > > >> > > > > > >> > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt are > to be > > >> > kept > > >> > > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, > Mikrotik from > > >> > > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), > sibyte is > > >> > to be > > >> > > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. > > >> > > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g > router" with > > >> > > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). > > >> > > > > > >> > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Thank you! > > >> > > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your > > >> > family. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh > wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following > > >> > before the > > >> > > >> FreeBSD 12 branch. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) > > >> > > >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and > boards lack > > >> > > >> memory, very old) > > >> > > >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) > > >> > > >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) > > >> > > >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list > to > > >> > arch@. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep > these older > > >> > > >> ports > > >> > > >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even > work on > > >> > these > > >> > > >> boards anymore. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no > longer > > >> > running > > >> > > >> on > > >> > > >> them, please let me know. Thanks! > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Warner > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> > > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > >> > > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > >> > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ > > >> > freebsd.org" > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > >> > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > >> > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > >> > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ > freebsd.org" > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > Rod Grimes > > >> > rgrimes@freebsd.org > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > >> "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > >> > > > > -- > > Emmanuel Vadot > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > -- > Rod Grimes > rgrimes@freebsd.org > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-embedded > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-embedded-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > From owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Sun Dec 31 06:01:42 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mips@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C491EA4C66; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 06:01:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sgalabov@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x231.google.com (mail-io0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5027B6447A; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 06:01:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sgalabov@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x231.google.com with SMTP id f6so8297955ioh.8; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 22:01:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=prrOjibaQcj9AnUfbOThRzvf023A38l6aRBAB6lxw8w=; b=aFQE3NnDyVEHGUb2R4I3s024HnEDhZTCNR2il7QOTVRfCpEWXp+Im05eh+CU4hlZNv knUCpu4t1w7cq8k3QGjFD/OG+pYWHlsU03sz5AlBnwTmKNzn4/3FfHPNg5f32opakGqB zm3Edp7ZIvf3Efw/I2EwYo/3o2IOGRyKqDK21AlfktM+HN05fhUlKan3i+vWyV2DkdSQ GkRskbEYrKYBoDtUDaha+E0WJ5INB6U2VGICFFfjesm7VbTSBVaw/mgGlLscoyJdzNr3 6VYA3v9p6qwmIOVzrlqkTx/KXP+sw/Qp8EoF7ZPys/i61ob6jQPXibz0vL0csDdLeMPP vbDg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=prrOjibaQcj9AnUfbOThRzvf023A38l6aRBAB6lxw8w=; b=nT9ZhS/MERaDbHpHe8sjaWc3OZ7OZPGl5ejUyvZgZboj0a/a0D5v0M/wJOI2Di3D82 SnTWTwqjIwwVHqH6YePZH5Xf8PDChWfdUla17NHQe4UmPFOD8yfTnCMKT159UaGq1BpN 6eJe5KgARJS5D1+7bFBVDYs9tXJy+12DP1NZIBsXtmY93cAusXY+83xlH2LnJUf2b02i Ub6vCYkhqBsQRkhm6CxC41j0lM0XdR1pEyx8RJkr+tvdXI0bE6uWT1dQ2JxLLLBInIBi urL7IjxyC2X0sDs24pAPg98RAAiBWC/KdfgQw/b2tSGTo+h+qg8WXhskK7fxrfZnSCtk 85nw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mJ2Qzhy2WF1U7zDh61byjHC9BWwjBVH5Ganl5HCmqIFidpH2txQ 9YzbhyAxAS3p7+gB1PQFkgwCCjqa/Hi0tbmox6Whfg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBosFSPKkibFAeBRcr0GC1gH0T7oyqp8nVAAjhhsUxnEUoVMysunaDorAhtgByzvutVoZIJxXTxQ1Mpbwg7eR6ZA= X-Received: by 10.107.130.80 with SMTP id e77mr41275850iod.273.1514700101748; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 22:01:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.12.136 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 22:01:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <12b36190fcd6918a01d88fd4dbf1a220@megadrive.org> <201712310122.vBV1Mjds078793@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> From: Stanislav Galabov Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 08:01:41 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning To: Warner Losh Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , Robert Watson , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" , Aleksandr Rybalko Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-mips@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to MIPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 06:01:42 -0000 On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 4:08 AM, Warner Losh wrote: > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < > freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > >> > On 2017-12-31 01:46, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> > >> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < >> > >> freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> > > Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? >> When last I >> > >> > > tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and >> generally >> > >> > came >> > >> > > with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be >> deleted w/o >> > >> > loss >> > >> > > of functionality. >> > >> > >> > >> > Please go back and read very carefully what the person said about >> > >> > this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it has >> > >> > NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons >> > >> > comments. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> That's not how I read it. I read it as "this is what we planned, and >> > >> we've >> > >> arrived." However, out of an abundance of caution, I sent an email >> > >> asking >> > >> for confirmation. Code inspection certainly suggests that my >> > >> interpretation >> > >> is correct. >> > > >> > > Thanks. Also you might want to ping the router projects folks, >> > > as I believe many of the mips based routers use this SOC and >> > > they may have info on which of the implementations work better, >> > > and/or if the mediatek branch is up to speed and the rt305x >> > > can just be axed. I know this project is out there someplace, >> > > but can not find a link for it right now. And I have seen >> > > some activity someplace from them in the last 3 or 4 months. >> > >> > "router project folks" ? >> > >> > Who are you talking about exactly ? >> >> And now I found the other person that just posted updates on the >> zrouter code, it is now a git project, and just updated stuff >> relative to the RT305x stuff one month ago: >> https://github.com/ZRouter/ZRouter/tree/master/socs/Ralink >> >> Project top is at https://github.com/ZRouter > > > Looks like they'll have to update. Should be pretty easy. I'll ping. > > Warner > I am adding ray@ to the conversation so he can give his input as well. As far as I am concerned mips/mediatek is already a superset of mips/rt305x and should be the one that's carried forward. Stanislav > >> > >> Warner >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > > I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It seems >> to >> > >> > > support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that has a >> bunch of >> > >> > > errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer chips. >> What am >> > >> > I >> > >> > > missing? >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Warner >> > >> > > >> > >> > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin > > >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Hi Warner, >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt are >> to be >> > >> > kept >> > >> > > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, >> Mikrotik from >> > >> > > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), >> sibyte is >> > >> > to be >> > >> > > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. >> > >> > > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g >> router" with >> > >> > > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > Thank you! >> > >> > > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your >> > >> > family. >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh >> wrote: >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following >> > >> > before the >> > >> > > >> FreeBSD 12 branch. >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) >> > >> > > >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and >> boards lack >> > >> > > >> memory, very old) >> > >> > > >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) >> > >> > > >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) >> > >> > > >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list >> to >> > >> > arch@. >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep >> these older >> > >> > > >> ports >> > >> > > >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even >> work on >> > >> > these >> > >> > > >> boards anymore. >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no >> longer >> > >> > running >> > >> > > >> on >> > >> > > >> them, please let me know. Thanks! >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> Warner >> > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> > > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >> > >> > > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >> > >> > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ >> > >> > freebsd.org" >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >> > >> > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >> > >> > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ >> freebsd.org" >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Rod Grimes >> > >> > rgrimes@freebsd.org >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >> > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >> > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> > >> "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > >> >> > >> > -- >> > Emmanuel Vadot >> > _______________________________________________ >> > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >> > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > >> >> -- >> Rod Grimes >> rgrimes@freebsd.org >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-embedded >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-embedded-unsubscribe@freebsd.org >> " >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-embedded > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-embedded-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Mon Jan 1 13:51:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mips@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E238EAB11E for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2018 13:51:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ray@ddteam.net) Received: from mail-ua0-x241.google.com (mail-ua0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FD8D6DADD for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2018 13:51:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ray@ddteam.net) Received: by mail-ua0-x241.google.com with SMTP id a25so26005259uak.3 for ; Mon, 01 Jan 2018 05:51:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ddteam-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=nWzesqFsK79Tklte6GNRYlsK1XHluLz5gB0uR/pjwhs=; b=yh8+dFf8ObT9Y2cZhDqq8Ls8q+UhSCE1Zq+85AISfE8peub08A9hCgQix0T425w/fX FiSFKBsXMWY2Rb7mjH6KQO4KRzOMTIkpzR+yTnM/qUYIRNIgewCYO8vbywewghlX9FRS Qxd6CW0ul8GkxcYY7JoeXuvtAZWozMWLD8Tpw7IdYe3roEM9J495oEMurKdBe98lb1jr xQTneEtK7ZfKItnunkognSpCayD8suTlbBOvjgw/oXdIUHau24vC/NoRi32aXUz8cQoH fcxpAZPaTdo4ZACN4WLO3x9A4rDGOVAaxL3Ldj5ctbuOp85X57hH5fAj8SaF0iVRclde gxJg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=nWzesqFsK79Tklte6GNRYlsK1XHluLz5gB0uR/pjwhs=; b=PkoU2x98Ym2Q5/6TDhMIpRp07VZMas02DeOU2YlumiKk9R0aHiJhrPnnAv6dnh2y1v ePr5ZOO2AKTWXFSusft+058IZaKm1BvZgRczF/GkwikInzKwYF464UPOFF8zOKLVr5GD LhH1cu1745T4Tg0jnAmZMB399y2gS2KJTF9EN6b5+RlPSc4ROd+DG9Pd4VRiF102PE2l 4EiKr2nosBn+PCOttk6D8jC4hZ9SC6jshy0DnawuqP7Ce8WJ/QwiMqNvkdge1JKldU+a nc7UcKmMKG7on+4iAlXIR9oM5o3akpzUN4Q7vVzUfSZV5cR8Zj5i/UgYIS4OarwGH+r9 Ykow== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLhytIx0BcV0CiuKHEfTsKnjF9VwVxe5yJoT/WP6vo3QnGYg31P S8yggICnywUKDiviiU/oySX3sP266jwoDMNvsEYs1w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBosPb/ZfOPAOSq7gFlbBziiXy0E0jmv3LHINipTHrjH1HeYF7HaMAbrk+nb5j7JDNKEA5e37AUME3D+0er4YvZU= X-Received: by 10.159.59.170 with SMTP id r42mr42405758uah.91.1514814708701; Mon, 01 Jan 2018 05:51:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.89.104 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jan 2018 05:51:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <12b36190fcd6918a01d88fd4dbf1a220@megadrive.org> <201712310122.vBV1Mjds078793@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> From: Aleksandr Rybalko Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2018 15:51:48 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning To: Stanislav Galabov Cc: Warner Losh , "Rodney W. Grimes" , Robert Watson , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mips@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to MIPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2018 13:51:50 -0000 Thanks Stanislav, I'm on freebsd-mips@ list :) I already answer Warner about rt305x dir but have another thing to say: We need boards supported by emulators to use for CI tests. IIRC, qemu support only Malta MIPS board. Not sure about other emulators, but it will be nice to not lost its support. Thanks, guys! Happy New Year!!! 2017-12-31 8:01 GMT+02:00 Stanislav Galabov : > On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 4:08 AM, Warner Losh wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < > > freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > > >> > On 2017-12-31 01:46, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > >> > >> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < > >> > >> freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? > >> When last I > >> > >> > > tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and > >> generally > >> > >> > came > >> > >> > > with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be > >> deleted w/o > >> > >> > loss > >> > >> > > of functionality. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Please go back and read very carefully what the person said about > >> > >> > this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it has > >> > >> > NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons > >> > >> > comments. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> That's not how I read it. I read it as "this is what we planned, > and > >> > >> we've > >> > >> arrived." However, out of an abundance of caution, I sent an email > >> > >> asking > >> > >> for confirmation. Code inspection certainly suggests that my > >> > >> interpretation > >> > >> is correct. > >> > > > >> > > Thanks. Also you might want to ping the router projects folks, > >> > > as I believe many of the mips based routers use this SOC and > >> > > they may have info on which of the implementations work better, > >> > > and/or if the mediatek branch is up to speed and the rt305x > >> > > can just be axed. I know this project is out there someplace, > >> > > but can not find a link for it right now. And I have seen > >> > > some activity someplace from them in the last 3 or 4 months. > >> > > >> > "router project folks" ? > >> > > >> > Who are you talking about exactly ? > >> > >> And now I found the other person that just posted updates on the > >> zrouter code, it is now a git project, and just updated stuff > >> relative to the RT305x stuff one month ago: > >> https://github.com/ZRouter/ZRouter/tree/master/socs/Ralink > >> > >> Project top is at https://github.com/ZRouter > > > > > > Looks like they'll have to update. Should be pretty easy. I'll ping. > > > > Warner > > > I am adding ray@ to the conversation so he can give his input as well. > As far as I am concerned mips/mediatek is already a superset of > mips/rt305x and should be the one that's carried forward. > > Stanislav > > > > >> > >> Warner > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It > seems > >> to > >> > >> > > support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that has > a > >> bunch of > >> > >> > > errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer > chips. > >> What am > >> > >> > I > >> > >> > > missing? > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Warner > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin < > mizhka@gmail.com > >> > > >> > >> > wrote: > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > Hi Warner, > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt > are > >> to be > >> > >> > kept > >> > >> > > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, > >> Mikrotik from > >> > >> > > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), > >> sibyte is > >> > >> > to be > >> > >> > > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. > >> > >> > > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g > >> router" with > >> > >> > > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > Thank you! > >> > >> > > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and > your > >> > >> > family. > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh < > imp@bsdimp.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the > following > >> > >> > before the > >> > >> > > >> FreeBSD 12 branch. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) > >> > >> > > >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and > >> boards lack > >> > >> > > >> memory, very old) > >> > >> > > >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) > >> > >> > > >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) > >> > >> > > >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this > list > >> to > >> > >> > arch@. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep > >> these older > >> > >> > > >> ports > >> > >> > > >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even > >> work on > >> > >> > these > >> > >> > > >> boards anymore. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no > >> longer > >> > >> > running > >> > >> > > >> on > >> > >> > > >> them, please let me know. Thanks! > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> Warner > >> > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> > > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > >> > >> > > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > >> > >> > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ > >> > >> > freebsd.org" > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > >> > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > >> > >> > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > >> > >> > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ > >> freebsd.org" > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > -- > >> > >> > Rod Grimes > >> > >> > rgrimes@freebsd.org > >> > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > >> > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > >> > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >> > >> "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > >> > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Emmanuel Vadot > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > >> > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > >> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ > freebsd.org" > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> Rod Grimes > >> rgrimes@freebsd.org > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org mailing list > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-embedded > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-embedded-unsubscribe@ > freebsd.org > >> " > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-embedded > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-embedded-unsubscribe@ > freebsd.org" > -- WBW ------- Rybalko Aleksandr From owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Mon Jan 1 17:50:58 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mips@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 401B5EB4C54 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2018 17:50:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-io0-x22e.google.com (mail-io0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F15997596B for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2018 17:50:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-io0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id w188so2568197iod.10 for ; Mon, 01 Jan 2018 09:50:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=Fz7XA8ZvJJl8qjgGUqWLQRQhAj4ieRUjnEYK8X7XrM4=; b=1HmwHES1uQgEhK+JkycDGgIi4c3dGQmE+OFY+BP0jk1OehGIk0VvWd2QioIE9pJN3U RHbQlIZY0Zjxx6quuwJo0UvevRv1WnyAoKmTEnY8Z2ENdL1NP2TgYif+WalNxnpQcUpn 9T7FZaD8lRsLm5WMaqzh8STvcqwOMR059ahBkns2xeCQRbhc1IYbWD9T9nuxXprL5Jsq RfXMg0sVxt9s+E0ZyR7pdjdOmtIJ1IV5JlwkkiEQBWhXrrM+ZcWgI+mGgGZSpY4v1JYu DNIMzR4UaNUzQ1rtNcpoIw0Fukmgdrqq2wrf18BSPKDsFCzXjx7/IMZ2kzhEXtsRQj0G oNIA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Fz7XA8ZvJJl8qjgGUqWLQRQhAj4ieRUjnEYK8X7XrM4=; b=Tve/MSGmtsG7WM8UCzlT2dwwPAviJu3eiwb4mmkUy6R4DXi7rEFrhBkhd0tBic1jhc 8Y4Yh9la5a6UY9pW1Q7s8r0Rp1ICxo/aizSNV23lu6etzkSsOqWOb5xC49BK/CB/EL4U 2A9tZ8wjiPFQH6fsReAqrAv57xSiuPktmI0ry/LDS00itD1gDnHumVCzryxrKJGi0Vtj TpP4GARbDD1qKuWQAZHrwbIim4gmm0066bnTYDzX/YI5WnZT4siG+BZwmUvO9OgjzOaS vO/+MkBYJWSPEyV7HkfRJZ4opmYP+t1jBRYI8G+l6Szm+7PdvaaiGXZ2ohz0A4vPJoJ5 0MAA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mK7z+SNHrZWofcNSbba+4Ht2P0ykVVC3FqgMAQgQNIUnJO2QDNb h8H04jvKPuPrgNTIrUgaReyH4HTxlUlBmUTJVHoE3A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBosIL6+v5V+CxtCFa9HHMxb+7495l/efvgaHrjbIgBCp9zZUgIcwRBpoSPg/nkZN+fE5n+ULK58J3o62CEzcDd0= X-Received: by 10.107.13.67 with SMTP id 64mr12313899ion.301.1514829057086; Mon, 01 Jan 2018 09:50:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 10.79.108.204 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jan 2018 09:50:56 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [2603:300b:6:5100:1052:acc7:f9de:2b6d] In-Reply-To: References: <12b36190fcd6918a01d88fd4dbf1a220@megadrive.org> <201712310122.vBV1Mjds078793@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> From: Warner Losh Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2018 10:50:56 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: VMhTcUz6IKbT4ntRZayjuyxBsnA Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning To: Aleksandr Rybalko Cc: Stanislav Galabov , "Rodney W. Grimes" , Robert Watson , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mips@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to MIPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2018 17:50:58 -0000 On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 6:51 AM, Aleksandr Rybalko wrote: > Thanks Stanislav, I'm on freebsd-mips@ list :) > > I already answer Warner about rt305x dir but have another thing to say: > We need boards supported by emulators to use for CI tests. > IIRC, qemu support only Malta MIPS board. > Not sure about other emulators, but it will be nice to not lost its > support. > Totally agree on that! I'd love to see better testing tools. qemu has like 3 targets that we might be able to support, but the other 2 wouldn't gain us that much since they are for hardware older than MALTA. qemu for arm has like 50 it supports, and we could use half a dozen of them in regression testing if we were so motivated. There's other emulators, but none of them stray far from MALTA or something that's so close to identical as to not be that useful. At least last time I did a survey. I'd love someone to prove me wrong here :) Warner > Thanks, guys! > > Happy New Year!!! > > > 2017-12-31 8:01 GMT+02:00 Stanislav Galabov : > >> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 4:08 AM, Warner Losh wrote: >> > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < >> > freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: >> > >> >> > On 2017-12-31 01:46, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> >> > >> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < >> >> > >> freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > > Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? >> >> When last I >> >> > >> > > tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and >> >> generally >> >> > >> > came >> >> > >> > > with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be >> >> deleted w/o >> >> > >> > loss >> >> > >> > > of functionality. >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > Please go back and read very carefully what the person said >> about >> >> > >> > this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it >> has >> >> > >> > NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons >> >> > >> > comments. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> That's not how I read it. I read it as "this is what we planned, >> and >> >> > >> we've >> >> > >> arrived." However, out of an abundance of caution, I sent an email >> >> > >> asking >> >> > >> for confirmation. Code inspection certainly suggests that my >> >> > >> interpretation >> >> > >> is correct. >> >> > > >> >> > > Thanks. Also you might want to ping the router projects folks, >> >> > > as I believe many of the mips based routers use this SOC and >> >> > > they may have info on which of the implementations work better, >> >> > > and/or if the mediatek branch is up to speed and the rt305x >> >> > > can just be axed. I know this project is out there someplace, >> >> > > but can not find a link for it right now. And I have seen >> >> > > some activity someplace from them in the last 3 or 4 months. >> >> > >> >> > "router project folks" ? >> >> > >> >> > Who are you talking about exactly ? >> >> >> >> And now I found the other person that just posted updates on the >> >> zrouter code, it is now a git project, and just updated stuff >> >> relative to the RT305x stuff one month ago: >> >> https://github.com/ZRouter/ZRouter/tree/master/socs/Ralink >> >> >> >> Project top is at https://github.com/ZRouter >> > >> > >> > Looks like they'll have to update. Should be pretty easy. I'll ping. >> > >> > Warner >> > >> I am adding ray@ to the conversation so he can give his input as well. >> As far as I am concerned mips/mediatek is already a superset of >> mips/rt305x and should be the one that's carried forward. >> >> Stanislav >> >> > >> >> > >> Warner >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > > I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It >> seems >> >> to >> >> > >> > > support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that >> has a >> >> bunch of >> >> > >> > > errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer >> chips. >> >> What am >> >> > >> > I >> >> > >> > > missing? >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > Warner >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin < >> mizhka@gmail.com >> >> > >> >> > >> > wrote: >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > > Hi Warner, >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt >> are >> >> to be >> >> > >> > kept >> >> > >> > > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, >> >> Mikrotik from >> >> > >> > > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), >> >> sibyte is >> >> > >> > to be >> >> > >> > > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. >> >> > >> > > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g >> >> router" with >> >> > >> > > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > Thank you! >> >> > >> > > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and >> your >> >> > >> > family. >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh < >> imp@bsdimp.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the >> following >> >> > >> > before the >> >> > >> > > >> FreeBSD 12 branch. >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) >> >> > >> > > >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and >> >> boards lack >> >> > >> > > >> memory, very old) >> >> > >> > > >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) >> >> > >> > > >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) >> >> > >> > > >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this >> list >> >> to >> >> > >> > arch@. >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep >> >> these older >> >> > >> > > >> ports >> >> > >> > > >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even >> >> work on >> >> > >> > these >> >> > >> > > >> boards anymore. >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no >> >> longer >> >> > >> > running >> >> > >> > > >> on >> >> > >> > > >> them, please let me know. Thanks! >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> Warner >> >> > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ >> >> > >> > > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >> >> > >> > > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >> >> > >> > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ >> >> > >> > freebsd.org" >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> >> > >> > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >> >> > >> > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >> >> > >> > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ >> >> freebsd.org" >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > -- >> >> > >> > Rod Grimes >> >> > >> > rgrimes@freebsd.org >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> >> > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >> >> > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >> >> > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> >> > >> "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Emmanuel Vadot >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >> >> > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >> >> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@free >> bsd.org" >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Rod Grimes >> >> rgrimes@freebsd.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org mailing list >> >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-embedded >> >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-embedded-unsubscribe@ >> freebsd.org >> >> " >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org mailing list >> > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-embedded >> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-embedded-unsubscribe@ >> freebsd.org" >> > > > > -- > WBW > ------- > Rybalko Aleksandr > > From owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Mon Jan 1 19:29:58 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mips@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3190AEB8D8E for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2018 19:29:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ray@ddteam.net) Received: from mail-ua0-x22d.google.com (mail-ua0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D414379455 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2018 19:29:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ray@ddteam.net) Received: by mail-ua0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id e39so10305162uae.12 for ; Mon, 01 Jan 2018 11:29:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ddteam-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=9QLOUROkRS/RfuDsh5EVjJt8KyhCUH7Nti6SV+WvJAk=; b=xY8UdyidgE7qYEE1NLfB3r79tgaoF70NlhPz6NIdwiu5krdg8YbDsIM3r0jzRcQgti F/OZAOgnR//+RSXr2qh2hJWHW8f348sBb1V62WAunUhihRgFJ3feeVxfFk+4BMGQRvMa I3gL2RnwVcSVXYPd8p/hFtOE3oXvcKgme+gQ1lzIhCuUN8tBfzSoBlq27MMC/LPk7/A2 7w5iFH15vwI2LtdUkGZgqDDv+cDP3WBBP2IS+uRtKQPtWUvkDpD4Ez6fqUJnEfH2muht KHLB/lqgnD8xbhuBVYM/++OiiGyC4+7tjoSTMjVwEQ8TneONi68ixsT9uH5yDp3KCOXd rFEA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9QLOUROkRS/RfuDsh5EVjJt8KyhCUH7Nti6SV+WvJAk=; b=kYWd0EvEprQo4yE86mv0kIOgnyZsfxbikGoGOhCY2CSJZsHLjsqwCsy/5b5oddadcv yAO9DFidsYQcs9yeyU1KNVzHJOGaEmoIO5xHiy3ZG/V2kmvOZ0iZN4nozddbnsHLR9RO 2yzUnxWy9luthcSWbMI8KKS4oNxIv/isIcytWaCKPjYQ8tiYwOuh1c7LA8qboixhyX0S kV216/jq+r6mNVoM7FANCR3EeniQTs4GrVOlzrmYnzj61ovlF0sHvaJsbETTaD8PdW3F ontLEhMSzpBQHm6lgr27XAEI2W+/wx98SLHWdod7H49er+8HOA+l+sAsp6LOJ3yrF1V7 K1ow== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLYG8CwxDz/oZ5JKI6g5YYI13s5LweEI+u4wdHbDmPuBGGLYKMq h+ShrnOTqgeCNiWFWmdDcroJp80dBPiy2WsbmwLqa381 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBostYlXTt/TDPUTcKMCsEu/83Yde0GJg7m9FcHtNgy//pNQqhxgkAOB98nkwEhGQBSTM9+XM1AOKcfXiiImNbcQ= X-Received: by 10.176.24.139 with SMTP id t11mr3781957uag.100.1514834996758; Mon, 01 Jan 2018 11:29:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.89.104 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jan 2018 11:29:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <12b36190fcd6918a01d88fd4dbf1a220@megadrive.org> <201712310122.vBV1Mjds078793@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> From: Aleksandr Rybalko Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2018 21:29:56 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning To: Warner Losh Cc: Stanislav Galabov , "Rodney W. Grimes" , Robert Watson , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mips@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to MIPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2018 19:29:58 -0000 At least it looks more clear now - only Malta. :) Thanks, Warner! 2018-01-01 19:50 GMT+02:00 Warner Losh : > > > On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 6:51 AM, Aleksandr Rybalko wrote: > >> Thanks Stanislav, I'm on freebsd-mips@ list :) >> >> I already answer Warner about rt305x dir but have another thing to say: >> We need boards supported by emulators to use for CI tests. >> IIRC, qemu support only Malta MIPS board. >> Not sure about other emulators, but it will be nice to not lost its >> support. >> > > Totally agree on that! I'd love to see better testing tools. qemu has like > 3 targets that we might be able to support, but the other 2 wouldn't gain > us that much since they are for hardware older than MALTA. qemu for arm has > like 50 it supports, and we could use half a dozen of them in regression > testing if we were so motivated. > > There's other emulators, but none of them stray far from MALTA or > something that's so close to identical as to not be that useful. At least > last time I did a survey. I'd love someone to prove me wrong here :) > > Warner > > >> Thanks, guys! >> >> Happy New Year!!! >> >> >> 2017-12-31 8:01 GMT+02:00 Stanislav Galabov : >> >>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 4:08 AM, Warner Losh wrote: >>> > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < >>> > freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: >>> > >>> >> > On 2017-12-31 01:46, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >>> >> > >> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < >>> >> > >> freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> > > Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? >>> >> When last I >>> >> > >> > > tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and >>> >> generally >>> >> > >> > came >>> >> > >> > > with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be >>> >> deleted w/o >>> >> > >> > loss >>> >> > >> > > of functionality. >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > Please go back and read very carefully what the person said >>> about >>> >> > >> > this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it >>> has >>> >> > >> > NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons >>> >> > >> > comments. >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> That's not how I read it. I read it as "this is what we planned, >>> and >>> >> > >> we've >>> >> > >> arrived." However, out of an abundance of caution, I sent an >>> email >>> >> > >> asking >>> >> > >> for confirmation. Code inspection certainly suggests that my >>> >> > >> interpretation >>> >> > >> is correct. >>> >> > > >>> >> > > Thanks. Also you might want to ping the router projects folks, >>> >> > > as I believe many of the mips based routers use this SOC and >>> >> > > they may have info on which of the implementations work better, >>> >> > > and/or if the mediatek branch is up to speed and the rt305x >>> >> > > can just be axed. I know this project is out there someplace, >>> >> > > but can not find a link for it right now. And I have seen >>> >> > > some activity someplace from them in the last 3 or 4 months. >>> >> > >>> >> > "router project folks" ? >>> >> > >>> >> > Who are you talking about exactly ? >>> >> >>> >> And now I found the other person that just posted updates on the >>> >> zrouter code, it is now a git project, and just updated stuff >>> >> relative to the RT305x stuff one month ago: >>> >> https://github.com/ZRouter/ZRouter/tree/master/socs/Ralink >>> >> >>> >> Project top is at https://github.com/ZRouter >>> > >>> > >>> > Looks like they'll have to update. Should be pretty easy. I'll ping. >>> > >>> > Warner >>> > >>> I am adding ray@ to the conversation so he can give his input as well. >>> As far as I am concerned mips/mediatek is already a superset of >>> mips/rt305x and should be the one that's carried forward. >>> >>> Stanislav >>> >>> > >>> >> > >> Warner >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > > I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It >>> seems >>> >> to >>> >> > >> > > support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that >>> has a >>> >> bunch of >>> >> > >> > > errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer >>> chips. >>> >> What am >>> >> > >> > I >>> >> > >> > > missing? >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > Warner >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin < >>> mizhka@gmail.com >>> >> > >>> >> > >> > wrote: >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > > Hi Warner, >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & >>> idt are >>> >> to be >>> >> > >> > kept >>> >> > >> > > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, >>> >> Mikrotik from >>> >> > >> > > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), >>> >> sibyte is >>> >> > >> > to be >>> >> > >> > > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. >>> >> > >> > > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g >>> >> router" with >>> >> > >> > > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > Thank you! >>> >> > >> > > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you >>> and your >>> >> > >> > family. >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh < >>> imp@bsdimp.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the >>> following >>> >> > >> > before the >>> >> > >> > > >> FreeBSD 12 branch. >>> >> > >> > > >> >>> >> > >> > > >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) >>> >> > >> > > >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and >>> >> boards lack >>> >> > >> > > >> memory, very old) >>> >> > >> > > >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) >>> >> > >> > > >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) >>> >> > >> > > >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) >>> >> > >> > > >> >>> >> > >> > > >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this >>> list >>> >> to >>> >> > >> > arch@. >>> >> > >> > > >> >>> >> > >> > > >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep >>> >> these older >>> >> > >> > > >> ports >>> >> > >> > > >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we >>> even >>> >> work on >>> >> > >> > these >>> >> > >> > > >> boards anymore. >>> >> > >> > > >> >>> >> > >> > > >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no >>> >> longer >>> >> > >> > running >>> >> > >> > > >> on >>> >> > >> > > >> them, please let me know. Thanks! >>> >> > >> > > >> >>> >> > >> > > >> Warner >>> >> > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> > >> > > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >>> >> > >> > > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >>> >> > >> > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ >>> >> > >> > freebsd.org" >>> >> > >> > > >> >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ >>> >> > >> > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >>> >> > >> > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >>> >> > >> > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ >>> >> freebsd.org" >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > -- >>> >> > >> > Rod Grimes >>> >> > >> > rgrimes@freebsd.org >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >>> >> > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >>> >> > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> >> > >> "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >>> >> > -- >>> >> > Emmanuel Vadot >>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>> >> > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >>> >> > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >>> >> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@free >>> bsd.org" >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Rod Grimes >>> >> rgrimes@freebsd.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org mailing list >>> >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-embedded >>> >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-embedded-unsubscribe@ >>> freebsd.org >>> >> " >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org mailing list >>> > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-embedded >>> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-embedded-unsubscribe@ >>> freebsd.org" >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> WBW >> ------- >> Rybalko Aleksandr >> >> > -- WBW ------- Rybalko Aleksandr From owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Fri Jan 5 22:51:00 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mips@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05CFEA417E; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:51:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from spindle.one-eyed-alien.net (spindle.one-eyed-alien.net [199.48.129.229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C883D3E32; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:51:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: by spindle.one-eyed-alien.net (Postfix, from userid 3001) id 2DBC65A9F15; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:50:59 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:50:59 +0000 From: Brooks Davis To: Michael Zhilin Cc: Warner Losh , Emmanuel Vadot , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , Robert Watson , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning Message-ID: <20180105225059.GE95035@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="eqp4TxRxnD4KrmFZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-mips@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to MIPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 22:51:01 -0000 --eqp4TxRxnD4KrmFZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The sibyte port is unlikely to work in practice. I cribbed SMP stuff =66rom it for BERI and quite a bit of that was suspect. -- Brooks On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 03:03:01PM +0300, Michael Zhilin wrote: > Hi Warner, >=20 > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt are to be kept > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, Mikrotik from > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), sibyte is to be > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g router" with > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). >=20 > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) >=20 > Thank you! > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family. >=20 > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh wrote: >=20 > > I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following before = the > > FreeBSD 12 branch. > > > > adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) > > alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and boards lack > > memory, very old) > > idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) > > rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) > > sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) > > > > I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list to arch@. > > > > We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep these older p= orts > > around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even work on the= se > > boards anymore. > > > > If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no longer runnin= g on > > them, please let me know. Thanks! > > > > Warner > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 --eqp4TxRxnD4KrmFZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJaUAFSAAoJEKzQXbSebgfArPEH/2kNkl5127NE8Km2CYSW4SI8 qIfMl8Sn5riAqhCP3SttN4AfJVkvg9QhESDq8Bl0xdxeKUHamqBoZnoPRZQrD73C OXlfZD6lk4MfEg1Fu1PSLgKlPP7mccyGYKlKAmRJxxxTjLXaWPd6YjSkCJbXZ0CH qLnxI5Mqc3zlkPOgES5f2cHU310f0sOl9EGty7XDZrkY4+TzPAOFZEEJIYGSDQKe v11fAiTz3XUH3fd2rzxLi+crFVc+mLDHYg92AI0QM2Al70JYeXqU6Ki9u0SpXP1K tC9SGcI5k21R+h90elWxEeh/nnRdPUhOxiM5wMvpT/BqGKXccu7BWGeRcc7tZQY= =cWLp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --eqp4TxRxnD4KrmFZ-- From owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Fri Jan 5 22:51:55 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mips@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EFC2EA42F0; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:51:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from spindle.one-eyed-alien.net (spindle.one-eyed-alien.net [199.48.129.229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC6126333C; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:51:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: by spindle.one-eyed-alien.net (Postfix, from userid 3001) id D9ED15A9F17; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:51:53 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:51:53 +0000 From: Brooks Davis To: Alexander Kabaev Cc: Warner Losh , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , Robert Watson , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning Message-ID: <20180105225153.GF95035@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> References: <20171230114420.3154579c@kan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="N1GIdlSm9i+YlY4t" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20171230114420.3154579c@kan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-mips@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to MIPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 22:51:55 -0000 --N1GIdlSm9i+YlY4t Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:44:20AM -0500, Alexander Kabaev wrote: > On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 01:10:11 -0700 > Warner Losh wrote: >=20 > > I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following > > before the FreeBSD 12 branch. > >=20 > > adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) > > alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and boards lack > > memory, very old) > > idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) > > rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) > > sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) > >=20 > > I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list to > > arch@. > >=20 > > We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep these older > > ports around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even > > work on these boards anymore. > >=20 > > If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no longer > > running on them, please let me know. Thanks! >=20 > RMI is another one that should get on chopping block, IMHO. They are > impossible to track down in the wild and files were not touched more or > less ever since being committed. They also re-implement too much of the > code in MI and chances of FreeBSD-current working on the hardware are > very, very slim. Deleting that would clean up a fair number of ifdefs in MIPS MD code. -- Brooks --N1GIdlSm9i+YlY4t Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJaUAGIAAoJEKzQXbSebgfA+rwH/jXegdhnTZZrO91lqZjUHuPr iG/J+EJUoSh0nccbioasoWk3pemF6EdvLMzZI1a+cUgg2mY39Zkx8MAgKn/dvdVo VBgREgjuRKOHKJur+3RfqXgVOd2u+gVZjBJ+J4T+nqw49yJinUv/D0wmqvD2qhru lALPUvni3xbAsZNWZwLZaL2rOuH8S6vrFW0pR/7PIqK3CXDlwNhU0ctsrFY//U2z fFu1Wb0uKr9dQ+bI7bVgwmc40/ZiqtNPfHqB3wtbhFYafghn2qpQez5h5GP25dEE 1BjTkwg9nY0MEjD6DiVEH96arZ+BE2bwN9/sEhlPQd4gxpMZDwKuSNUrAiuDbo0= =h2ns -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --N1GIdlSm9i+YlY4t-- From owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Fri Jan 5 22:57:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mips@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0D8EA485A for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:57:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-io0-x232.google.com (mail-io0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F5CE63841 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:57:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-io0-x232.google.com with SMTP id v30so7318781iov.7 for ; Fri, 05 Jan 2018 14:57:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=lIJWSr+VrnxtQQlShI3dZLOaWIyPwPN4OcVV+rApaSo=; b=KjcH12SpHg2Gfy07lpSrPiZyGaMq5fonRGGbuOK5GU1+gISn/sB9R2qpL+OQO/qFN7 ZVjaplT5KOnpsjhjoamPvrnOBMQaP1rKdwvCy9JiRUW32Z5EhgDD7xrnH8V3h+YG1e8Y itiMydxmQ5n3hhf7sGswEGGkv+WB5edZlS/7gS9bOLT4uYpaUuFKCYIav64LQd13SaYr KJ+/CwzmTbKeJ9qCqDuHUBqw8ZbtszarH4SYSpPavxTRnzr9vhDIR/ieFQWioZJluobC mSeZzm+99d+v03BhF47rqKyOQsxmqRwolXnrdYKq7oUahWmHpFM/q+0yijznIBjkX8xp LleQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=lIJWSr+VrnxtQQlShI3dZLOaWIyPwPN4OcVV+rApaSo=; b=QOF06IV1Y95yfgi1XVcODUsZIL+V5y7jiD8Zt0lciWT+zOoEy3T7R4ydQ1srI/q5sl /cFaOsXFatqY5YwibtYne6xzQQjFbX/Cs22Ysm4grdUnED2xw/ea26hm4lTjrNXPe0TF MhulBB92a+f1xmzjchLNEsEDYjGpUlNSM85XknmN958iN6zWgKhEATnJHRWPwQg/5lt5 mGACCKe2BzN97vAsrZ8dri0XxTm/Kxm/zcfklzn7hrKJd5f6RSZMVbTeNZ303EhatBCu jQM9rd8s1t1MGstkOI71khKLie1P/YTpgQj/6bb59tWhZ1QqTPTyQATq3BVsEI8aMQxG 4ivg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytfiZbGiPWGPb98rL+7j0Obpbu4q3PoH7ZWkshWm9K/vdx0YnS8K nwQcItsH7/RJmiJvz+CBZK1ebuPfzC2QSQ4LA7iZRg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBosEZmeesRnzAuISdOVo5gig66NxrvBhWSOwnQeY5nEZt0MmAwgKA89BaPcX2/ExSSN+ZdVRaWA+TFmqOP24xqU= X-Received: by 10.107.78.12 with SMTP id c12mr4457275iob.63.1515193055634; Fri, 05 Jan 2018 14:57:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 10.79.160.217 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 14:57:34 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [2603:300b:6:5100:1052:acc7:f9de:2b6d] In-Reply-To: <20180105225059.GE95035@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> References: <20180105225059.GE95035@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> From: Warner Losh Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 15:57:34 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Kry_L02eipuQxua0cnKyjPSbrck Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning To: Brooks Davis Cc: Michael Zhilin , Emmanuel Vadot , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , Robert Watson , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mips@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to MIPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 22:57:36 -0000 I might have a board the sibyte port would work on, but it's buried in a pile of ewaste and would take me days of time to even try to see if it works. I didn't delete the sibyte when I pulled the trigger last week because the platform can support at least 128MB of RAM. But it's in the cross hairs for someone to prove it works or it will be GC'd at some unspecified point in the future. I'm thinking of adding this near the end of mips_init in sb_machdep.c: printf("This platform is believed broken and will be removed before FreeBSD 12.\n"); printf("Email mips@freebsd.org if you have it working.\n"); Warner On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 3:50 PM, Brooks Davis wrote: > The sibyte port is unlikely to work in practice. I cribbed SMP stuff > from it for BERI and quite a bit of that was suspect. > > -- Brooks > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 03:03:01PM +0300, Michael Zhilin wrote: > > Hi Warner, > > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & idt are to be > kept > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, Mikrotik from > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), sibyte is to > be > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g router" with > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). > > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) > > > > Thank you! > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family. > > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > > I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following before > the > > > FreeBSD 12 branch. > > > > > > adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) > > > alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and boards lack > > > memory, very old) > > > idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) > > > rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) > > > sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) > > > > > > I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list to arch@ > . > > > > > > We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep these older > ports > > > around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even work on > these > > > boards anymore. > > > > > > If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no longer > running on > > > them, please let me know. Thanks! > > > > > > Warner > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Fri Jan 5 22:59:11 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mips@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA01EA4A92 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:59:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-io0-x22b.google.com (mail-io0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1ABF63A17 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:59:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-io0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id e20so7293835iof.12 for ; Fri, 05 Jan 2018 14:59:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=q/zf99kna2m+uQdJittFjm1Y1aulItmdjlyBb86r8fk=; b=kz5fuZuKVME7xxGrWLfQfS/1fq+cm3gWe77xUpJjKPVcPZ8vb7UjDWzDYu94Oi0YN6 nDhR5PvbgUHsopexM+WK7vnsmwGpiyvOSVbl9f+ExVgWspLoebz3dtNCDs/4pcMp79Xl Ncj/lQFrFc6oS1EmsPpjX/Fxi2irjNyCGG2+M0yMdEHrclLw+O1+hk9WHKWBCpBnuspf LW/YQMlzNvHXuKr6XUhpuuPZufIMcL6QV6r/Kyx9d7fFax4ercn67WvvsLe7svePcDId aU0JXq8JJ54k5lbWXoIVOgtpqQkftVO/zOgkpce3/R+DhVeXrP1TqbJSbMiIOv28WzZ9 5wyg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=q/zf99kna2m+uQdJittFjm1Y1aulItmdjlyBb86r8fk=; b=F6LuDg708oyHqDZJUbe0hTN2g5P7fSVExG6X2MqGEKNnw0XTk27dK4ENH0z2+tgeC3 ITQmoq7IvqtMnsUBcHabTavuCP/C6Ax1O8NetPs3kI1Vu1mnGGn4s8K3S2NQ+3p5UPUW oWThcYdhe0KdHqLRO5MY5ispv1C3PMZWFoqCk7L90KhCYfpfcbMxN+IE9tPgKn//MlD+ EFbSMUq79K+UX27C9esyGaS1+/+GbaoyRYbg3kjgyku6BBHiKv4mvWaxg3o9g4y271V1 xo/MnR1qCLizHhhKVGm8Q8wETFX9tQwG+fZZSJZZ+XhVebpg/qt583eAwuWP3/RDgKdu PD5w== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mKs1QYW2ALRpY4kpBNDuv3U6MSzia8UvK3dDDaio4zoNlOVMKOB kOKBozRH0YofQRBppVe6DdjjJTgPPRU7VJUVBE5urQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBotIxT/zlr2KQuqtNzTlSZB8KrLP1tyEF1PQmpJbpOtVB2GzqMnYYocoJ4GA5SLiW138ndn8wmkxUzO+2gdhPGY= X-Received: by 10.107.142.143 with SMTP id q137mr4713366iod.301.1515193150152; Fri, 05 Jan 2018 14:59:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 10.79.160.217 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 14:59:09 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [2603:300b:6:5100:1052:acc7:f9de:2b6d] In-Reply-To: <20180105225153.GF95035@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> References: <20171230114420.3154579c@kan> <20180105225153.GF95035@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> From: Warner Losh Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 15:59:09 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: gi7s9sZRH_xDYWm5spNXTXx6ewk Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning To: Brooks Davis Cc: Alexander Kabaev , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , Robert Watson , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mips@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to MIPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 22:59:11 -0000 On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 3:51 PM, Brooks Davis wrote: > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:44:20AM -0500, Alexander Kabaev wrote: > > On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 01:10:11 -0700 > > Warner Losh wrote: > > > > > I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the following > > > before the FreeBSD 12 branch. > > > > > > adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) > > > alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and boards lack > > > memory, very old) > > > idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) > > > rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) > > > sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) > > > > > > I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this list to > > > arch@. > > > > > > We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep these older > > > ports around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we even > > > work on these boards anymore. > > > > > > If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no longer > > > running on them, please let me know. Thanks! > > > > RMI is another one that should get on chopping block, IMHO. They are > > impossible to track down in the wild and files were not touched more or > > less ever since being committed. They also re-implement too much of the > > code in MI and chances of FreeBSD-current working on the hardware are > > very, very slim. > > Deleting that would clean up a fair number of ifdefs in MIPS MD code. I went ahead and deleted the platform, but was holding off doing ifdef cleanups from the removed platforms until a suitable period of time had passed to ensure that I didn't delete one that turns out to be in wide use leading to a hue and cry for its return. Warner