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On 10/4/18 3:07 PM, Warner Losh wrote:

> At the root of this problem is the community's long resistance to having
> data reported back to the project data about the machines running FreeBSD.
> Absent any real and significant data, the only way to know if things are
> unused is to ask. We cannot have the act of merely asking cause people to
> freak out and hurl expletives all over the place. That's significantly not
> cool.

First off, I absolutely don't want to flame: I'm glad you asked and I 
was happy to answer.

Just out of curiosity, don't we have sysutils/bsdstats (which I install 
on all the boxes I manage, but I understand won't be present in most 
embedded systems)?
Is that project such a failure?
If so, should it be better promoted or would it be pointless?

  bye & Thanks
	av.