From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 4 01:05:08 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB4AEDA676 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 01:05:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from news@mips.inka.de) Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [IPv6:2a04:c9c7:0:1073:217:a4ff:fe3b:e77c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1638845FA for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 01:05:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from news@mips.inka.de) Received: from mips.inka.de (news@[127.0.0.1]) by mail.inka.de with uucp (rmailwrap 0.5) id 1ei8jy-00032a-88; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 02:05:06 +0100 Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w1410dDP006706 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 02:00:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from news@lorvorc.mips.inka.de) Received: (from news@localhost) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w1410dr9006705 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 02:00:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from news) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Weisgerber Newsgroups: list.freebsd.questions Subject: Re: Response to Meltdown and Spectre Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 01:00:39 -0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <23154.11945.856955.523027@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <5A726B60.7040606@gmail.com> <92120E50-19A7-4A44-90DF-505243D77259@kreme.com> <044e62f7-69ca-71fe-34a8-5c5cafc06f08@yahoo.com> <0520dd84-c00c-fbf2-da1c-f6ff4c63739d@yahoo.com> <20180203224612.GA10517@milliways.localdomain> <51178.108.68.160.114.1517699531.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 01:05:08 -0000 On 2018-02-03, "Valeri Galtsev" wrote: > With all due respect, one person saying, it didn't affect me, doesn't > prove it is not disastrous for somebody else. Even if it is one machine > out of thousand that is "bricked" for some time, it is a disaster for > sysadmin who has that machine as a production server Of course, but who at all is saying that Intel's microcode updates have "bricked" any machines? This appears to be an entirely spurious claim, based on nothing other than grievous exaggeration that turns "higher system reboots" into "bricked". You guys are talking each other into a frenzy of fear over nothing. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 4 01:21:57 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE781EDB768 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 01:21:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 777F8851EB for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 01:21:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 7D85ACB8D0F; Sat, 3 Feb 2018 19:21:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from 108.68.160.114 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Sat, 3 Feb 2018 19:21:56 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <53029.108.68.160.114.1517707316.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: References: <23154.11945.856955.523027@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <5A726B60.7040606@gmail.com> <92120E50-19A7-4A44-90DF-505243D77259@kreme.com> <044e62f7-69ca-71fe-34a8-5c5cafc06f08@yahoo.com> <0520dd84-c00c-fbf2-da1c-f6ff4c63739d@yahoo.com> <20180203224612.GA10517@milliways.localdomain> <51178.108.68.160.114.1517699531.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2018 19:21:56 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Response to Meltdown and Spectre From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Christian Weisgerber" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 01:21:58 -0000 On Sat, February 3, 2018 7:00 pm, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > On 2018-02-03, "Valeri Galtsev" wrote: > >> With all due respect, one person saying, it didn't affect me, doesn't >> prove it is not disastrous for somebody else. Even if it is one machine >> out of thousand that is "bricked" for some time, it is a disaster for >> sysadmin who has that machine as a production server > > Of course, but who at all is saying that Intel's microcode updates > have "bricked" any machines? This appears to be an entirely spurious > claim, based on nothing other than grievous exaggeration that turns > "higher system reboots" into "bricked". You guys are talking each > other into a frenzy of fear over nothing. For all production server I run any reboot that is not scheduled by admins is ultimate disaster, so it is equivalent to "bricked" machine. That hardware can not be further used as production server, but "mere" fact or reboot is ultimate disaster itself. I bet I am not the only sysadmin with this point of view. That is why I said production server is by no means comparable to sobody's home workstation. But I bet many people have the same attitude to their home workstations as I have to servers I am responsible for. Well, I for one have the same attitude to all my computers, including laptops, and as a sysadmin - to all computers of people I support. Of course, some people may have different point of view on this, which does not deprive me of expecting from my hardware to work without "glitches". My apologies for being edgy. These things make me such. Valeri > > -- > Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 4 03:43:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2352FEE3A4A for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 03:43:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erisianash@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk0-x22d.google.com (mail-vk0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B25C76ACD2 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 03:43:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erisianash@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id x203so15791574vkx.10 for ; Sat, 03 Feb 2018 19:43:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:subject:to:from:message-id; bh=I/aVlYl6w+BX65RfiU53C/Yr/xlgzEpfWyMW158gHVo=; b=VNWH6O/LWGW3k1Kl+tdpaS+Pig1OhtH5RKL2M8DIQkBTgjHSpzOaf+QdzLjOeZeTSZ d/HcqIzuAO9oCjUY3vkF6oIbRg2x32UIjpcwsirmRVZ75tItwQKGjNU4+HvxXCGD3FR3 uss0BK7zQhSDrzxF4Hu2SZanQmi18uTsEJrf8SIW1hdE6O/fBGN2F1bTNRZqwC7Kmk2+ 4380EV7rpmMC8tqZMq3A/7IQm0Wvr3FqMf1eKCK56qgv80wNlmPRAlmOPS9YovbI5YBG 97uLaAVRT7oaKKXRp4VwF/IxaGBdveLA2XaoX1/ISy9rZpnkZF9cyujTEdzz0Gm9Fv+t dU4A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:to:from:message-id; bh=I/aVlYl6w+BX65RfiU53C/Yr/xlgzEpfWyMW158gHVo=; b=Qx3R2FYXwTuDjrl+uJwTAuJEJjgcye3bTtxFnznAiTnEKlEZ9cSiSF0007mzMbgIpg q/jx/tj09ULz/DlHyVg5uthqc5dHLPOjbRQe1XVNmlMM6j7V74BER+gLUYKqchdaEzeS VpcyPSTrwpawg2fj8i245NAvUPEv/QnRrprbmKMWd8Mlq0TVJZ+l7cee/U5HEBlgjiAk oFfVnnvEWV/m/VccNaUaV2GwlI58PhHFDePL6rAl8kmluey6pmzfEia7gw1+HbZD8sef sBiz8P+//EaokolcmQq8o+hWkOUFhaSq5dPmRlGB38vTcLkPya8OGiRlCAOHWuZ5tc6J jldg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytcwnzFTxpgQgS5Bkf+y7j8nKrYRL4QbjqMpmmVZJnjbbWwiy4ND mi/aC4TPqKTzF5NbNpeKmYHfIoJp X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x224VtbHZwY0wiT2gsoWxSxwpAcnrY8IOj5c+GI64xkerU6iBhK7MD8hlz0jAD4nQdny2JR0QaA== X-Received: by 10.31.196.131 with SMTP id u125mr31581960vkf.158.1517715812839; Sat, 03 Feb 2018 19:43:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.139] (75-175-12-135.ptld.qwest.net. [75.175.12.135]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a12sm741899uak.41.2018.02.03.19.43.31 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 03 Feb 2018 19:43:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2018 19:43:28 -0800 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: How to set default pcm device? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org,Christian Weisgerber From: Ashley Chase Message-ID: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 03:43:34 -0000 Typing this on my phone=2E Sorry if the formatting isn't right=2E On February 3, 2018 12:44:30 PM PST, Christian Weisgerber wrote: >After boot, my /dev/sndstat looks like this: > >Installed devices: >pcm0: (play) >pcm1: (play/rec) default >pcm2: (play/rec) >pcm3: (play) >No devices installed from userspace=2E > >However, I would like the USB audio device, pcm3, to be the default >sound unit=2E How do I set this persistently across reboots? > >The traditional solution was to set hw=2Esnd=2Edefault_unit=3D3 in >/boot/loader=2Econf=2E That worked for FreeBSD 10=2Ex, but with 11=2Ex t= he >USB devices are attached very late and the boot loader setting >(which I still have) is effectively ignored=2E Loading the uaudio >module early with snd_uaudio_load=3DYES doesn't change this=2E Setting >hw=2Esnd=2Edefault_unit in /etc/sysctl=2Econf is unlikely to work either; >certainly it's a race=2E > hw=2Esnd=2Edefault_unit is actually a sysctl and should go in /etc/sysctl= =2Econf You night also consider setting hw=2Esnd=2Edefault_auto=3D2 to automatical= ly select the most recently attached device=2E This is documented in the sound(4) man page=2E >Do I need to define a devd(8) action for when uaudio attaches or >is there a better way? --=20 Ashley Chase From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 4 05:57:00 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 542D6EE935B for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 05:57:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic302-19.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic302-19.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [87.248.110.82]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB3086EFCE for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 05:56:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: 5g7QFzIVM1k_BVp0YNHhBDvu44jG_Vve4fgXq2898Kgk.emuZWedIJY54xWUBMM .oV_lLbU_z1emPjngpvmSy2Kk.efCr9jvKXt9jiSy6dl7tk_XHt.zXz8vkbCeqTFyBG1lUEVwA9u v0L0uwg8DtiWjBAvAQGvDEOuCBpl4mXnew6s4xy9KoUs9b4blZie.TqaSRcF00Gff0OlNXm1mZF2 lTjIrBC9FfzAeSMbny_PkDuBN1Nps4mVA.Muio7GW1aRN3Gng8mE_F_i1IiqU9WjklMVA4NBObTN u2QiUCsUMCDTZJfcvoIdiHOC3EEjsIUndRpFirswIGlNRQSZoz5AObRTCKuQJ.RPL8lmYG65Fp9U 4EeBCdS46AfZ7Bks0EZx4EiVV0BO7lczJUyozVPyBiiH3VCB4olJ1ITOMQygS26i9crpWc2wCkqM l2KT_mhFKJ0R.NozBeoLxyd_zpX51QMpM6fcuORbVdsdsGWCITM5.hwKR9ZUAhRBVhTH6Gppo17A vaZOvK3BxdPBx_JSkLKo0SmnKOZEfN3Vf4QrRHnsv0TM6p3f5kA-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic302.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 05:56:52 +0000 Received: from smtp155.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (EHLO archlinux.localdomain) ([46.228.39.118]) by smtp412.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (JAMES SMTP Server ) with ESMTPA ID 22899e38f53e8bb7301736cb3e804fe9 for ; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 05:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 06:56:48 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Response to Meltdown and Spectre Message-ID: <20180204065648.1a73ec2a@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <53029.108.68.160.114.1517707316.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <23154.11945.856955.523027@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <5A726B60.7040606@gmail.com> <92120E50-19A7-4A44-90DF-505243D77259@kreme.com> <044e62f7-69ca-71fe-34a8-5c5cafc06f08@yahoo.com> <0520dd84-c00c-fbf2-da1c-f6ff4c63739d@yahoo.com> <20180203224612.GA10517@milliways.localdomain> <51178.108.68.160.114.1517699531.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <53029.108.68.160.114.1517707316.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git24 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 05:57:00 -0000 On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 19:21:56 -0600 (CST), Valeri Galtsev wrote: >On Sat, February 3, 2018 7:00 pm, Christian Weisgerber wrote: >> On 2018-02-03, "Valeri Galtsev" wrote: >> >>> With all due respect, one person saying, it didn't affect me, >>> doesn't prove it is not disastrous for somebody else. Even if it is >>> one machine out of thousand that is "bricked" for some time, it is >>> a disaster for sysadmin who has that machine as a production >>> server >> >> Of course, but who at all is saying that Intel's microcode updates >> have "bricked" any machines? This appears to be an entirely spurious >> claim, based on nothing other than grievous exaggeration that turns >> "higher system reboots" into "bricked". You guys are talking each >> other into a frenzy of fear over nothing. > >For all production server I run any reboot that is not scheduled by >admins is ultimate disaster, so it is equivalent to "bricked" machine. >That hardware can not be further used as production server, but "mere" >fact or reboot is ultimate disaster itself. > >I bet I am not the only sysadmin with this point of view. That is why I >said production server is by no means comparable to sobody's home >workstation. But I bet many people have the same attitude to their home >workstations as I have to servers I am responsible for. Well, I for one >have the same attitude to all my computers, including laptops, and as a >sysadmin - to all computers of people I support. > >Of course, some people may have different point of view on this, which >does not deprive me of expecting from my hardware to work without >"glitches". > >My apologies for being edgy. These things make me such. > Valeri, consider to run a server for testng purpose based upon an Intel CPU, but don't use Meltdown and Spectre fixes, then try to get unauthorised access via a network, by using the Meltdown and Spectre vulnerability. Please, after doing so, report back. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 4 04:37:54 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94263EE6B8E for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 04:37:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from geheimnisse.atl@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot0-x22a.google.com (mail-ot0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B9656CC03 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 04:37:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from geheimnisse.atl@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id e64so4190247ote.4 for ; Sat, 03 Feb 2018 20:37:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=vFxX2Jk14L0NkqePMpszfgrpQFP2IwblouQ06eA8nyg=; b=cRsD7h+nLE6QzbJ3Wk55XK/GhlmPlESwYdorOGIsJzvmrIDkSb4OfRq94gWhsRgFuf 7VVv0QDsiXWIVzt0A9N+5pfwrmW1j6JYC+mvpYErtXDLd4at6X0a9GNEKmqFT9v1HDFj SEtnYFFTdrc3kjEBpCAUyaLAAQJG99IgGLo77oEvSfDySz3K2/RwfR4WlYYDB2cVwOM7 gJXBH72/n/FizwrnU2qlZ5nk7/zoeBzsTB7UQmL0kyVPszaKBKZPtLPzSc3TIiJ+WG59 +P6TN/ZjIVHcXPFbU+/KKsqAPAz3eGa69mQClH4gb+5mTQJfHJ8LdyetoYIX8Z+qqnCO 326Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=vFxX2Jk14L0NkqePMpszfgrpQFP2IwblouQ06eA8nyg=; b=ZMD2TLqvu477oLQH4wC6iQGlAp66JSAwkViQ8ihG25AE8npq2DW/fmzIe6bVb+4Bei PEhyMB65OnZgq/G9GjRVtQfXZNVTH12IfYV4t0arFiz1iGQ+NFLTO79v7JrzNQ3TRu2l TSrL3fbPthrxPAUg+bvvRrKC26FGEay5iK/2tBsClEB1h5ilKUOj+4vhehTS07Az+vyP LGFPuDMrbm7mikd1fEdMrWJIelGXkM6eCCG6tW3Co6tLF7mrpJ9Yw6+7Drx6POtwu3Nl XV82DQsioY90ht/KqA9bNDxYUfcoR4uzCOIxzlqzt0JbjRHzITjwGl1fXzrtnQvmKwhX U1xg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytdlta+pp6kAEO/5qNaUc+sgLdanY/N6U0oyf2iu45AfSVQlHJwh fptLuh8xe3u/ItHMc02jt7Uh+wQ0osYR9seIQgSaBB54 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x226Wr61WSKl0dh++MbuqSqDh+R8V8IsJokN7gtoduEDf3YZoEMWY4zUa761xv4xwK30L7HqIjHRI3nMby43OpME= X-Received: by 10.157.20.36 with SMTP id h33mr2963593oth.269.1517719073231; Sat, 03 Feb 2018 20:37:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.22.203 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Feb 2018 20:37:52 -0800 (PST) From: geheimnisse hier Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2018 23:37:52 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How to set default pcm device? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 04:37:54 -0000 You'll need to edit /etc/sysctl.conf hw.snd.default_unit=3 Where the number is the pcm device to be used by default. To have it take affect without rebooting: sysctl hw.snd.default_unit=3 Any programs using sound will need to be restarted. -G From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 4 11:19:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A11ECAFC4 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 11:19:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (www.covisp.net [65.121.55.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E74F7AA74 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 11:19:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Swap on SSD Message-Id: <26877DEB-034F-422B-918F-2A0D1C381537@kreme.com> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 04:19:25 -0700 To: Freebsd Questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.9) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 11:19:28 -0000 I have a machine that has dual SSDs in it and no spinning disks. FreeBSD = has a 4GB (or so) swap partition that it created on the installation of = FreeBSD 11.1. Isn't this going to cause problems for the SSD to have swap constantly = working the drive? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 4 11:15:32 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCC5ECAE8C for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 11:15:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (www.covisp.net [65.121.55.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA7E07A936 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 11:15:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Response to Meltdown and Spectre Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 04:15:23 -0700 References: <23154.11945.856955.523027@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <5A726B60.7040606@gmail.com> <92120E50-19A7-4A44-90DF-505243D77259@kreme.com> <044e62f7-69ca-71fe-34a8-5c5cafc06f08@yahoo.com> To: Freebsd Questions In-Reply-To: <044e62f7-69ca-71fe-34a8-5c5cafc06f08@yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.9) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 11:15:32 -0000 On 2018-02-02 (04:18 MST), Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions = wrote: >=20 > On 02/01/2018 22:14, @lbutlr wrote: >> On 1 Feb 2018, at 16:04, Adam Vande More amvandemore@gmail.com> = wrote: >>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 3:48 PM, @lbutlr wrote: >>>=20 >>>> the trouble is that AMD's behavior has been at least as bad as = Intel's, if >>>> not worse, in regards to Meltdown, >>>>=20 >>> Can you explain what provoked this assertion? >> First, they violated (not technically, but they made it bloody = obvious) the NDA so that the flaw was widely discovered a week early by = adding a comment to a meltdown patch that lead every expert int he field = straight to the vulnerability: "The AMD microarchitecture does not allow = memory references, including speculative references, that access higher = privileged data when running in a lesser privileged mode when that = access would result in a page fault." >>=20 >> Second, they initially claimed they were would not release any = firmware because they were entirely immune, which was untrue. >>=20 >> They were almost immediately proved to be vulnerable to some of the = flaws. >>=20 >> Third, while Intel released (and continues to release) detailed = technical information, AMD released PR statements. >>=20 >> Honestly, as bad as Intel has looked in the last month, AMD looks = worse since they'd behaved like children. >>=20 > This is the exact opposite of what I have seen/read. What NDA is = this? Really? > "A week early"? Again, this was found out about in June of last year = to affect intel architecture. A flaw that existed for over 10, if not = 20 years. They did not release the information, Google researchers and = other independents did.... I included the comment that AMD made in code to mitigate Meltdown that = was so obvious that it led multiple teams of people to figure out what = the problem was before the planned release of mitigation. AMD claimed they were immune or nearly immune to Meltdown AND Spectre. = This is not true, they are vulnerable to Spectre and eventually admitted = it. --=20 "Last night - you were unhinged. You were like some desperate, howling demon. You frightened me. - Do it again!" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 4 16:26:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C39EDE86D for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 16:26:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic304-11.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic304-11.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.128.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28ABC86AEA for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 16:26:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: dvH3oIgVM1mzXz_PDm0_wpOOwl3kgMTV3id13.GvmRLrXFv1ovmfjpBh32Twc7y .6oq__AXSv6Yl_XLzD0iaVVo6yWtD25Mhe31GaH9C_hxBbCQOA0MozzbFrTKROT4yiFHkRXRFXQN wGYofm6yQfcY1RJQAvivXP_kWy6ejoSZOH00TRpfv3o05Lh5b_fqcJ1HcvlXVJdeus4.EAbD0CZ0 GVnejoBlP0RPVmD.odcIaxNvSgGYS6gyQDH3NCSiUgRb7dv0_wi8IONV9AKwU2PJJXhWjWezYQTk jsO82Yyi9GIB6dho4WYSP_YEjLOSxoEurbkqPf5RjCle5qm41CYiqtbXEUKFjiAtRgzpahZ_CA0s rjtOUpN5qRdOkk5W8QW0AMbc.fSGbHEkFe7LmS2gM6yZfOyWbJeBEaAgSMln9SD85wEzIktNmNjc c6lHJmzNY5lH3mFi0KPFUpsxHKXVta_4mW_82qy0DJPNFXxPhr5ut0amfQqVe64LSxzXS1oFA_5s lOcBY7_XHba6Wk2q_LPTuUdaMrFQgc2pm_fWNU33wVlg6Rt02JgrikSWPgrxGG9bOgbvjYaW937Q - Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic304.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 16:26:32 +0000 Received: from smtp106.rhel.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (EHLO [192.168.0.201]) ([98.139.231.40]) by smtp401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (JAMES SMTP Server ) with ESMTPA ID c4b1309fe51e569217238d758f77aff7 for ; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 16:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Response to Meltdown and Spectre To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <23154.11945.856955.523027@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <5A726B60.7040606@gmail.com> <92120E50-19A7-4A44-90DF-505243D77259@kreme.com> <044e62f7-69ca-71fe-34a8-5c5cafc06f08@yahoo.com> <0520dd84-c00c-fbf2-da1c-f6ff4c63739d@yahoo.com> <20180203224612.GA10517@milliways.localdomain> <51178.108.68.160.114.1517699531.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <04967319-e627-9efa-2049-e35f8e1a42ba@yahoo.com> From: Paul Pathiakis Message-ID: <0e9580af-e1a5-f6d0-97d9-1fcab1751868@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 11:16:22 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <04967319-e627-9efa-2049-e35f8e1a42ba@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 180204-8, 02/04/2018), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 16:26:33 -0000 https://www.amd.com/en/corporate/speculative-execution This is the issue at hand regarding AMD chips. Meltdown - Not susceptible Specter variant 1 - It looks like nothing from recent production.  They state early Athlon/Opteron processors (year 2000 or so)  OS patches can correct the issue.  (FreeBSD has always had a much more robust memory management system than Linux and Windows including what some of call protected memory and a 'virtual fence' on the memory of the kernel. Specter variant 2 - Possibly susceptible.  Everything is being examined and, again, OS patches can resolve the issue.  However, in both variants they are working on firmware to correct 'POSSIBLE' issues. This has been the ongoing information coming out of AMD.  What I'm more interested in is the 'performance hit' after all the firmware updates come out.  This could be something similar to the use of IIS versus Apache.  IIS showed how 'fast' it was in benchmarks against Apache.  However, once it was delved into, it turned out that IIS was not doing proper checking on the content..... it was actually doing very little which made it significantly faster, but more susceptible to exploit.  So, once we get all the firmware patches, does it turn out that if Intel had been doing things correctly in their design does it slow their chips down by 20%?  If so, given their performance would drop below most high-end AMD chips that, effectively, already cost 1/2 of the performance, I'm dying to see what market share looks like after the mid-point of this year. P. On 2/4/2018 10:36 AM, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: > > > On 02/03/2018 20:00, Christian Weisgerber wrote: >> On 2018-02-03, "Valeri Galtsev" wrote: >> >>> With all due respect, one person saying, it didn't affect me, doesn't >>> prove it is not disastrous for somebody else. Even if it is one machine >>> out of thousand that is "bricked" for some time, it is a disaster for >>> sysadmin who has that machine as a production server >> Of course, but who at all is saying that Intel's microcode updates >> have "bricked" any machines?  This appears to be an entirely spurious >> claim, based on nothing other than grievous exaggeration that turns >> "higher system reboots" into "bricked". You guys are talking each >> other into a frenzy of fear over nothing. >> > I would say we are not panicking in any manner.  Nor are we in a > frenzy.  Real sysadmins are cautious on everything/anything that can > affect the availability of the machines.  Any machine that is > 'unreliable' is 'bricked' or 'near-bricked' to us.  It causes a major > question about availability of the machine.  If Intel's patch hadn't > immediately caused issues, it may have caused something that might not > have been caught after it was rolled out to farms (aka 1000s) of > machine.   What then? > > There was a similar issue in the UK (I have since forgotten the name > of the data center owner) about 8 (or more) years regarding fujitsu > hard drives.  The data center was doing an excellent job of tracking > hard drive replacement every five years.  Fujitsu gave a great bid and > shipped the drives..... After less than 6 months, the drives started > to fail.  All the drives needed to be replaced after they had just > replaced all the drives a few months previous.  The company almost > went under. > > It's that simple in the world of a sysadmins in charge of a large > number of systems. > > Had that patch been rolled out to thousands and failed months later..... > > P. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 4 13:45:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE5D9ED736E for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 13:45:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cooperative@r118.tmd.cloud) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31085804BA for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 13:45:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cooperative@r118.tmd.cloud) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id E10A1ED7369; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 13:45:34 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1FCED7366 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 13:45:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cooperative@r118.tmd.cloud) Received: from mx2.tmdhosting.com (mx2.tmdhosting.com [198.143.161.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54743804B9 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 13:45:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cooperative@r118.tmd.cloud) Received: from r118.tmd.cloud ([67.212.179.163]) by mx2.tmdhosting.com with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eiJbr-0007z7-Lp for questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 06:41:29 -0600 Received: from cooperative by r118.tmd.cloud with local (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1eiJbr-0006Uq-7m for questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 12:41:27 +0000 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Account Notification X-PHP-Script: genesiscooperative.org/send.php for 197.15.216.102 X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1747:send.php From: Netflix Inc. Message-Id: Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 12:41:27 +0000 X-Originating-IP: 67.212.179.163 X-SpamExperts-Domain: smtp-out.r118.tmd.cloud X-SpamExperts-Username: 67.212.179.163 Authentication-Results: tmdhosting.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=67.212.179.163@smtp-out.r118.tmd.cloud X-SpamExperts-Outgoing-Class: unsure X-SpamExperts-Outgoing-Evidence: Combined (0.50) X-Recommended-Action: accept X-Filter-ID: EX5BVjFpneJeBchSMxfU5iYpxJ/8nnR4nPaS8mcJ9v4Xv9krsgRhBn0ayn6qsUc7itHrLgCDJgHw Qf2lwriKHpzNpMVtjNlt5LYyOTgABHn4zaP/H94bCh8rCEVLF8OVJODXbtOodkPED+RkHjVGH4fc CHYUH7L4L9SEgoSlEzKIxO/VX9VX9ONNHwZKF7pnSkBQgIMCJi1PYm4kGKDF58YgHCJIwuGa4wHu gME1sRSRzPr1mw1Ot+TK4TKR+Ef8/yYKUpF8oqPDiyidcSBG1cMCOkgYBX58rqmjkeHDbS62LTy6 4J/0ICJqzmwLRIhDpAtFtWxWFPun/Vq/q+vzjiD+CjOK+aLD3WzN5FFUkbLk6Pnrj57pHasIWjxl 5VQahBN6Fcg3yxWjPLTpdkB5z+K71/6m2UINfRnaZ3KUksdc59W+QSmpXAJczNv4pDznqq9IJIue NdZ12JJe7t4cD3McN6qoXPjenLhIOF1oeRbFjC2t/pQRZWl6XMnuXIIlDVtZ/Jgy88REXnEPsu9M NYiyMXatl9k66SYghyOLdq7h9PobrbwB1Jj4vRnvuFdQ1Dt1KzHMyXGf/5uJtgGMYY3VxgMoQBen lR62zqbYR63TPpuFqUUQz+mM8JAD4ECWIrUmMBjT8D+EbS5zU08l4tMINaPnUP64WnBpaECp9MGU 81Gz5eoKGca8Zxur6QbNUSGcCfoYQXJFkDKPs92GzCoTs36ndFFWMck8Dg2vsKd75M8Nq/1AMt/S oiq7sTl69R/2gMGq0KWAzmMf+ibVDgPaWl+22cKGJn60b0yCKHQHOFTrS5f15u0lylahvf2iOvrV gfMcAfp0Lp/FOGMo+9o0J77Cpwf7v15W11PwgccWkohPA0sx7VfYeSxPsyp7ww+HrW0tOh7VEZAm cQghf2bi/LkdZCroa6kTBJudpJE= X-Report-Abuse-To: spam@mx1.tmdhosting.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 13:45:36 -0000 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 4 15:36:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A2FEDC8CD for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 15:36:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic304-11.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic304-11.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.128.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2467C84B61 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 15:36:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: eHiTZVAVM1lPSaLGeJGU0OdHeCL9hPJ6gohuaxKfEDviurVqH8W8zFY8IzStcJI zXr3btFRr2Au48xnIXe.eklbCk2kqwU29PM8gJ4j3LhV0gRyqAgHeXuqBsUwXsESE5BIyF.ofdTh 1.QRSrnj8PyH_SSOCLnpY0FrounkatCHggseFIuXFWeIDNY4.ieAZwe3ypjZGBi9fW0kbfdGpMsf LRKX7gKe_Z0W73SHQQ3qTzw.FJbMbaz7eLRx7QqzFeuxYeqQkLT.PRkNBcti6zo2XkkUNISxDkxP JrGa1bkdD7Wb178TddQpuYGM1z2tmX8rqCLoCG4VApZe2KpiT4u4q0dKrPaOCjYjhqz4ZqRydzh6 l6v.GdLww.u4bIiBvaPAAbTW2CLXxihqOFSX1_nlN.wSMMUB90o_waJTYgzjU9fLhC3zR.K.W70k 0fST1zU0SKE9v4KpVpLnzrFhsQQyO15CDDPJlQ_e5Bh9vsIlqB6JboI5WKPTe.ThRGPIzfTw_INK n5FwAKYjPsSPLZRQrNN6u Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic304.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 15:36:30 +0000 Received: from smtp105.rhel.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (EHLO [192.168.0.6]) ([98.139.231.38]) by smtp415.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (JAMES SMTP Server ) with ESMTPA ID 560317f9df28eb4c6d8029191acbe365 for ; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 15:36:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Response to Meltdown and Spectre To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <23154.11945.856955.523027@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <5A726B60.7040606@gmail.com> <92120E50-19A7-4A44-90DF-505243D77259@kreme.com> <044e62f7-69ca-71fe-34a8-5c5cafc06f08@yahoo.com> <0520dd84-c00c-fbf2-da1c-f6ff4c63739d@yahoo.com> <20180203224612.GA10517@milliways.localdomain> <51178.108.68.160.114.1517699531.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> From: Paul Pathiakis Message-ID: <04967319-e627-9efa-2049-e35f8e1a42ba@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 10:36:22 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 15:36:37 -0000 On 02/03/2018 20:00, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > On 2018-02-03, "Valeri Galtsev" wrote: > >> With all due respect, one person saying, it didn't affect me, doesn't >> prove it is not disastrous for somebody else. Even if it is one machine >> out of thousand that is "bricked" for some time, it is a disaster for >> sysadmin who has that machine as a production server > Of course, but who at all is saying that Intel's microcode updates > have "bricked" any machines? This appears to be an entirely spurious > claim, based on nothing other than grievous exaggeration that turns > "higher system reboots" into "bricked". You guys are talking each > other into a frenzy of fear over nothing. > I would say we are not panicking in any manner. Nor are we in a frenzy. Real sysadmins are cautious on everything/anything that can affect the availability of the machines. Any machine that is 'unreliable' is 'bricked' or 'near-bricked' to us. It causes a major question about availability of the machine. If Intel's patch hadn't immediately caused issues, it may have caused something that might not have been caught after it was rolled out to farms (aka 1000s) of machine. What then? There was a similar issue in the UK (I have since forgotten the name of the data center owner) about 8 (or more) years regarding fujitsu hard drives. The data center was doing an excellent job of tracking hard drive replacement every five years. Fujitsu gave a great bid and shipped the drives..... After less than 6 months, the drives started to fail. All the drives needed to be replaced after they had just replaced all the drives a few months previous. The company almost went under. It's that simple in the world of a sysadmins in charge of a large number of systems. Had that patch been rolled out to thousands and failed months later..... P. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 4 16:21:14 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3097EDE44A for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 16:21:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CCEA8675A for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 16:21:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 248EECB8D0F; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 10:21:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from 108.68.160.114 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 10:21:11 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <58440.108.68.160.114.1517761271.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20180204065648.1a73ec2a@archlinux.localdomain> References: <23154.11945.856955.523027@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <5A726B60.7040606@gmail.com> <92120E50-19A7-4A44-90DF-505243D77259@kreme.com> <044e62f7-69ca-71fe-34a8-5c5cafc06f08@yahoo.com> <0520dd84-c00c-fbf2-da1c-f6ff4c63739d@yahoo.com> <20180203224612.GA10517@milliways.localdomain> <51178.108.68.160.114.1517699531.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <53029.108.68.160.114.1517707316.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20180204065648.1a73ec2a@archlinux.localdomain> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 10:21:11 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Response to Meltdown and Spectre From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Ralf Mardorf" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 16:21:14 -0000 On Sat, February 3, 2018 11:56 pm, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 19:21:56 -0600 (CST), Valeri Galtsev wrote: >>On Sat, February 3, 2018 7:00 pm, Christian Weisgerber wrote: >>> On 2018-02-03, "Valeri Galtsev" wrote: >>> >>>> With all due respect, one person saying, it didn't affect me, >>>> doesn't prove it is not disastrous for somebody else. Even if it is >>>> one machine out of thousand that is "bricked" for some time, it is >>>> a disaster for sysadmin who has that machine as a production >>>> server >>> >>> Of course, but who at all is saying that Intel's microcode updates >>> have "bricked" any machines? This appears to be an entirely spurious >>> claim, based on nothing other than grievous exaggeration that turns >>> "higher system reboots" into "bricked". You guys are talking each >>> other into a frenzy of fear over nothing. >> >>For all production server I run any reboot that is not scheduled by >>admins is ultimate disaster, so it is equivalent to "bricked" machine. >>That hardware can not be further used as production server, but "mere" >>fact or reboot is ultimate disaster itself. >> >>I bet I am not the only sysadmin with this point of view. That is why I >>said production server is by no means comparable to sobody's home >>workstation. But I bet many people have the same attitude to their home >>workstations as I have to servers I am responsible for. Well, I for one >>have the same attitude to all my computers, including laptops, and as a >>sysadmin - to all computers of people I support. >> >>Of course, some people may have different point of view on this, which >>does not deprive me of expecting from my hardware to work without >>"glitches". >> >>My apologies for being edgy. These things make me such. >> > > Valeri, consider to run a server for testng purpose based upon an Intel > CPU, but don't use Meltdown and Spectre fixes, then try to get > unauthorised access via a network, by using the Meltdown and Spectre > vulnerability. Please, after doing so, report back. There is no good answer to that. We all are in crap, and whatever one does leads to bad outcome. It is like zugzwang in chess. Apparently you chose the other of two bads than I did ;-) Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 4 14:22:52 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64E4ED8BAA for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 14:22:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jude.obscure@yandex.com) Received: from forward104p.mail.yandex.net (forward104p.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:107]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "forwards.mail.yandex.net", Issuer "Yandex CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6459081CDF for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 14:22:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jude.obscure@yandex.com) Received: from mxback2j.mail.yandex.net (mxback2j.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1619::10b]) by forward104p.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id CFD95183429; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 17:22:48 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp1o.mail.yandex.net (smtp1o.mail.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::25]) by mxback2j.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id aBJiWSBcvD-MlS4MlDE; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 17:22:48 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1517754168; bh=kde3zzppWjw0paFTMGiEc4Bek5RZ5BSouNVhtLYm47o=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To; b=CFEL1ifYWMarZalfRsAM8sh+bqrQcf2/vo2H7Ly1qxnlbERWH2SMfJj5R9pvkcWLf E4saHPYZM6M5kMlvzcEm8ui0OLt0V1kM6thZXosVWg5GZ0M1jjnwdEM3/9m7rbHDtu UjqPsQqzbpYSAu2uTzQFp5C6k6XWt1LQPTSoj/pY= Received: by smtp1o.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id vTahKfwXKM-Mk0OqxOn; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 17:22:46 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1517754167; bh=kde3zzppWjw0paFTMGiEc4Bek5RZ5BSouNVhtLYm47o=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To; b=vvGpZQbRoyl5BTNiNiZUoYC90Nm/s85Imscexq9HX7jpokmCHaCeGiTmviZtqm1j3 ywpY/VjrXiE1oQdUY6W/vUGUzt5n9upVHiUs97uBqOwegGBpQmVHcOlj/wxbHjpTdH RcnN+HdANgJ8W9ZjDW85VgGhaCXmwOxRlaB9etxw= Authentication-Results: smtp1o.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com Subject: Re: Swap on SSD To: "@lbutlr" , Freebsd Questions References: <26877DEB-034F-422B-918F-2A0D1C381537@kreme.com> From: Manish Jain Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 19:52:41 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <26877DEB-034F-422B-918F-2A0D1C381537@kreme.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 14:22:53 -0000 On 02/04/18 16:49, @lbutlr wrote: > I have a machine that has dual SSDs in it and no spinning disks. FreeBSD has a 4GB (or so) swap partition that it created on the installation of FreeBSD 11.1. > > Isn't this going to cause problems for the SSD to have swap constantly working the drive? I have a 1 GB swap partition on an SSD under my FreeBSD box (shared with Linux as swap). I have never had any issue with swapping under FreeBSD or Linux. -- Regards, Manish Jain From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 4 17:17:05 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C02EE29A1 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 17:17:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic302-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic302-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [87.248.110.84]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E92D06937A for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 17:17:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: O0bGXWIVM1lkpBG2zkmEHt19lMrY8.Atm2pXF0_.vMqG_NhBbIDI3cVUuO6jv_6 MLQhUH13gPN6pOu7vdstrrbu4kp5_wQph4g.2.KkdkOWvHjrsl53yk0iuaTalOSg_1y80HERXmhR h.I3i4xB24JbiyqJdO4mOPhqEc0fFl9hTQ6rlZd0mKk7JMfzZQSSEF1sEcfLYkrBMuIhWAgzY33p ErAwIBTmExVSVowKRLcSys5nNQnFmNo2BtutA9FIwR0tED0D9.VJEy_EumHNeFxdOkaJ48jodbHE lCy5YE_a4Rd9M2swzIVetTNsPzkuCwmdKBf4upHt51q1OlRxM67rdZnCyryFLkwBtb3lO_1QnUNW hDHGhUWk5QDSubI.tC9GXfftB_aas0TwNe7vmdnt.nXOBjC8qQoy_rr3bYe0GjtbJ4OP87kf3vco BxBdEez0Vm7t3uQCDn1L0bPntDzo6XmJkFsZHHltslpIExHq_SCwWgg_mJtSkfBCSb46InSNv31S 4LruBDO6MNB9iEMSegQSGuGGt87K2hrhtDAgDMNg1W6xJlDVo Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic302.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 17:17:02 +0000 Received: from smtp157.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (EHLO archlinux.localdomain) ([46.228.39.120]) by smtp404.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (JAMES SMTP Server ) with ESMTPA ID a6573fd17989ba1c13dad8c07f26ad4f; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 17:17:00 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 18:17:01 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu Subject: Re: Response to Meltdown and Spectre Message-ID: <20180204181701.77902546@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <58440.108.68.160.114.1517761271.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <23154.11945.856955.523027@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <5A726B60.7040606@gmail.com> <92120E50-19A7-4A44-90DF-505243D77259@kreme.com> <044e62f7-69ca-71fe-34a8-5c5cafc06f08@yahoo.com> <0520dd84-c00c-fbf2-da1c-f6ff4c63739d@yahoo.com> <20180203224612.GA10517@milliways.localdomain> <51178.108.68.160.114.1517699531.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <53029.108.68.160.114.1517707316.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20180204065648.1a73ec2a@archlinux.localdomain> <58440.108.68.160.114.1517761271.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git24 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 17:17:05 -0000 On Sun, 4 Feb 2018 10:21:11 -0600 (CST), Valeri Galtsev wrote: >There is no good answer to that. We all are in crap, and whatever one >does leads to bad outcome. It is like zugzwang in chess. Apparently >you chose the other of two bads than I did ;-) Valeri, IMHO you are a smart person :). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 4 15:22:03 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56743EDB88B for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 15:22:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic308-19.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic308-19.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.178.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD9D9840F4 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 15:22:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: lgiUqQ8VM1mlAdcbcfQ8JphzvKOl5dcJySdaXJiAsqKU3ej8aOEskpu5gLWGAu1 nCHDJvAkhAUvzta2KHdAzkwCTjivBJmQzV5dmotQz1eEvb6pOqObHenmpq26Z8ughKZG8YicoTHT 5qG6cEdST_rHDCoXUsQDEPOw5V6ZPlGFYN3yKNvubrgaS_vMoFoHq7ESIWTLEJodisTVaI65DFZb .wKWlw2VZaJAOyxtpGYsuO.laCJ26DTpuEn9G6BnbMCCWOeOshb9dXnhsFReMslXslAAUuBYZnzC 0uOlen2HQMe_mITwGBftYjtitWARDWChuMK6nh6_WNDrrHhGFUA9XVK6R75avrGP_TwqktkwYn07 Bm7ceoYitiL9LjcYm4_Ov4McgruzYvEH_T8IHzg9Fw0X47MA9uINoe.GO1QiOmX_xT44u_vQCU.d RlUSQi5ntSXT.kVanVi_0R9_T.1XkX1n7Qv.9MQm_19jf3jA2HEjSzsx8zLR337S9pLcBtRMJlpQ _fAnPfhMtY7N1ZzhDD8OY_inHvFhXcyQTLdBKYZfRNFUWYyJ_ Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic308.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 15:21:55 +0000 Received: from smtpgate103.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (EHLO archlinux.localdomain) ([217.146.188.6]) by smtp407.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (JAMES SMTP Server ) with ESMTPA ID d7ac69152f10b17b5ea5e319e9604966 for ; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 15:11:46 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 16:11:47 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Swap on SSD Message-ID: <20180204161147.713388e3@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <26877DEB-034F-422B-918F-2A0D1C381537@kreme.com> References: <26877DEB-034F-422B-918F-2A0D1C381537@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git24 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 15:22:03 -0000 On Sun, 4 Feb 2018 04:19:25 -0700, @lbutlr wrote: >Isn't this going to cause problems for the SSD to have swap constantly >working the drive? Assuming that swap is constantly needed, why should this be a problem? However, why is swap constantly used at all? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 4 16:39:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6EEEDF6E6 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 16:39:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from opsyspref@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot0-x22f.google.com (mail-ot0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 72C8187283 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 16:39:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from opsyspref@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id v5so24853369oth.5 for ; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 08:39:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=bhVfkMK6OQmKZvluyfXfdVXj1rLNUbPdKHDpuxkIeyg=; b=mIlHzZpc53bdLJLn2xBeRTcRVw9eyX/k7JCOz2qNT7mr5iAhAcwjE7XZKguTcv3rCu FBtG3ZIh7g8GhZqzjRBsVLYeWQq45ETHO4jgJXtno4gp1N/RqD1Lt25+Vfm/mkZnR+mf ERz24BcApb+O+zGZzzyQsQ4LMRuTGkysdTcGQ2p9DY21miH3zwWjjzecroYSVt75VWBi 6+4SEUiQsqvgdWjQlwT18f1aftYNUdmWm6jycQOluBU1HiZtHeHRazpahnzM1MSw+yuC Ik1+Pjj64YkJK6KTUsBBNLxBOjEKBWq3DBtudwg5+1vGzRt8vqW3y+4nfbd8c0XBfoWJ TlCw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=bhVfkMK6OQmKZvluyfXfdVXj1rLNUbPdKHDpuxkIeyg=; b=enPA9Wv/8mC89Q+VC4TQsTLrHF5Yu2bymJHrbVpQnSpMa968IbJ+RZVatu758im2iB 1f7KEcVmrfiV2k4MNBKBUgkiVIUT2gpmSFUka2oqDoVhlqYgFpUeWF7RsZhXYbwHvgi0 hQvAihwj1qGPOFp4H8BONwJiJERBHM1agVAIvGXlxy46NKu5Rx19FQIJGSTyoR13yFoB fwRbsgmjT4/GEzWraam8nH9maR/OWNDXcBcUyZpWhOUbJoIEJO/pI4TPQRUz9RILmgZf vbZrJU29RYPqEjGuecWEsqyu1+0Oj4LkukF3d9vSwGhYVZw+14L+qW74qf3g77JpznTu RjVA== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPDOv418MRM2wLoQO5HDe2aZlRlwyp03WvTFYbXous/bOe/FLwdu Wky43cafDVhqq7EE1XA6EF+3Xle5z4p2QM6qIQYuCg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x227IHDUpLc+2iQVUI/NxXKC+VLoFRxOiPFMVEx3xTFTa/5MsC4I8RfsORfHnHC6n03n76A/rcZA9Wzex3uZEErE= X-Received: by 10.157.33.196 with SMTP id s62mr9897772otb.368.1517762366492; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 08:39:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.11.203 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 08:39:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Peter Ulrich Kruppa Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 17:39:26 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: German keyboard support for gdm??? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 16:39:28 -0000 So now, I couldn't solve my problem with gdm but after some failed experiments with some more login-managers (xdm, lightdm, slim) I found x11/sddm . When I edit the file /usr/local/share/sddm/scripts/Xsetup by adding the line setxkbmap de,us and reboot, I get a language selector with DE and US keyboard. I think that's as simple as it should be. Greetings Peter On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 5:04 AM, Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote: > Hello, > > does anyone know how to make gnome's display manager gdm understand german > keyboard input? > I can find many discussions, hints and ideas in the web, but whatever I > try, gdm stubbornly insists on using en_US default keyboard. > > I am running gdm-3.16.4_3 from ports on FreeBSD 11.1-RELEASE amd64 . > My german keyboard is supported on console and "inside" Gnome 3 , but not > on gdm's username/password dialog. > > Thanks an greetings > > Peter > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 4 17:06:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8875EE2213 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 17:06:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic301-22.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic301-22.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.176.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55BB468DFB for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 17:06:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: 6TgyzacVM1mRP._0kYonk79E9g9_n40V45t9lrn2P_SyzrNqrO5XDHpqw.dIxdn ciG5CZiXtg6pOAe4D_24cof27hCYNjbXLTTZDfwGTYZBUb952dC4NEshMQFSOYumcM0MWObHhDSZ 4bYyvDF_vMrubJiiGjZqMFGGDx0Y.HijOJ8jVukDP0qPrQgaIMYabL4mkkkfgC_Uposzs_D8ONPg Op1rEOk7wRllV0m_8fhhbqtx_xsitMOD.Hu_TXVNP6Jn2rkOtGUEnCaZDv.4bi_eDzXByuAMD32R d25L4EHRIDW2cYslhB1dduo4Y2pgx2CD5rqwfvGMvVIqNIgfkyBHKfLNFFGA6PlaveTCByPezGuS qMv9FmAxK4Qu6riiFsjkhP22zVtS11rf.oJhLEnAHSFC.DVyIm0lOD3s.Jxfe54UdXXvpC24wwDF kQVW3JeS4ZETUN9BofrJdcONDwuCL0rJXCP.dBRGZhQ54rkDHaTIHYzFVvmbrqbcTjGlrxtOUgfj cfqRtzN9MjSbU.4tV9sfXGVRIu6k5uT8BPO9i5JYnqsdBHdo0DoQhljh4Hgc- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic301.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 17:06:14 +0000 Received: from smtp173.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (EHLO archlinux.localdomain) ([46.228.39.40]) by smtp405.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (JAMES SMTP Server ) with ESMTPA ID 7476d88f214b933bc46ffb28d03d8633; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 16:56:06 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 17:56:07 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Paul Pathiakis Subject: Re: Response to Meltdown and Spectre Message-ID: <20180204175607.7f1c70b9@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <04967319-e627-9efa-2049-e35f8e1a42ba@yahoo.com> References: <23154.11945.856955.523027@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <5A726B60.7040606@gmail.com> <92120E50-19A7-4A44-90DF-505243D77259@kreme.com> <044e62f7-69ca-71fe-34a8-5c5cafc06f08@yahoo.com> <0520dd84-c00c-fbf2-da1c-f6ff4c63739d@yahoo.com> <20180203224612.GA10517@milliways.localdomain> <51178.108.68.160.114.1517699531.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <04967319-e627-9efa-2049-e35f8e1a42ba@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git24 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 17:06:17 -0000 On Sun, 4 Feb 2018 10:36:22 -0500, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: >On 02/03/2018 20:00, Christian Weisgerber wrote: >> On 2018-02-03, "Valeri Galtsev" wrote: >> =20 >>> With all due respect, one person saying, it didn't affect me, >>> doesn't prove it is not disastrous for somebody else. Even if it is >>> one machine out of thousand that is "bricked" for some time, it is >>> a disaster for sysadmin who has that machine as a production >>> server =20 >> Of course, but who at all is saying that Intel's microcode updates >> have "bricked" any machines? This appears to be an entirely spurious >> claim, based on nothing other than grievous exaggeration that turns >> "higher system reboots" into "bricked". You guys are talking each >> other into a frenzy of fear over nothing. >> =20 >I would say we are not panicking in any manner. Nor are we in a=20 >frenzy. Real sysadmins are cautious on everything/anything that can=20 >affect the availability of the machines. Any machine that is=20 >'unreliable' is 'bricked' or 'near-bricked' to us. It causes a major=20 >question about availability of the machine. If Intel's patch hadn't=20 >immediately caused issues, it may have caused something that might not=20 >have been caught after it was rolled out to farms (aka 1000s) of=20 >machine. What then? > >There was a similar issue in the UK (I have since forgotten the name >of the data center owner) about 8 (or more) years regarding fujitsu >hard drives. The data center was doing an excellent job of tracking >hard drive replacement every five years. Fujitsu gave a great bid and=20 >shipped the drives..... After less than 6 months, the drives started >to fail. All the drives needed to be replaced after they had just >replaced all the drives a few months previous. The company almost >went under. > >It's that simple in the world of a sysadmins in charge of a large >number of systems. > >Had that patch been rolled out to thousands and failed months >later..... Again, consider the positive side effect. If several computers are rendered useless, we get more bookends and people start to collect and read more books, instead of consuming crap. I'm a 51 years old dyslexic, but you still find more read scientific books in my flat, than in many other flats of my generation, let alone the younger people. While Meltdown and Spectre are a disaster for a lot of server farms, it actually is unimportant for zillions of other computer usages. Meltdown and Spectre are not Fenrir [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenrir], we were much closer to Ragnar=C3=B6k [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragnar%C3%B6k] when we were affected by Heartbleed, but actually we survived it without much wounds. Don't belive the hype [excepted of the song's title, not really realted :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D9vQaVIoEjOM]. --=20 https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2018/01/spectre_and_mel_1.html From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 4 17:40:58 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F8DEE3CDB for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 17:40:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (www.covisp.net [65.121.55.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3F2D6A31C for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 17:40:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: anyone use different PCI Express card & slot #s? Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 10:40:55 -0700 References: <8F08E935-33A8-4B5F-9057-51FAD51DA97D@council124.org> <20180201121251.95e345cf.freebsd@edvax.de> <09DEB81A-3DC1-4147-9249-0497C89F429B@council124.org> <69060D2E-8ED1-4BDB-8801-2BA29F15C632@council124.org> To: Freebsd Questions In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3FBC6DB6-A1AA-42B0-AAF2-01A934C1BF60@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.9) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 17:40:58 -0000 On 2018-02-01 (21:16 MST), C Gray = wrote: >=20 > Has anyone tried an x1 expansion (sound) card, esp. manufactured by = Creative Labs,=20 > in either an x4 or x8 slot? I have had 1x cards in 4x slots. Not Sound cards, but other cards. Never = noticed a problem. That's why I din't reply initially, I couldn't understand why you = weren't putting the 1x card in the 4x slot and figured I must be = misunderstanding something. --=20 Spontaneity has its time and place. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 4 17:51:53 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03761EE4AC3 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 17:51:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8657D6AA18 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 17:51:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 489 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2018 17:51:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=1e6.5a774837.k1802; bh=YimbXludCwwyOFoHtNPZgD6R1/7HRBrlTY3LpL4FG9c=; b=hZ+Mhgwjvcik7A22HIGXNwwOSQxuxk/Na3awi5C3vWOAffX+pCK4G6bXHJ4/nwjXqI7/xjjz8riIvpz/t1Pk5SRR1Sg4f5kdvaS4jps6qIyT1B6c1hOsH9ub+BID0cS4hxBqfy2LQao48RRp6wAIIXSUc2RwEiBoe9mIOMmiWOTs/Nlc5LLSmmp/fuUeg0WNJX7FH8nZNAC4hsGRvDN5RwndT7iT0jV3bQX51A84t5jldo1eFPLXnRwpU32Rw48U Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTP via TCP6; 04 Feb 2018 17:51:51 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 47B5C1A40377; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 12:51:50 -0500 (EST) Date: 4 Feb 2018 12:51:50 -0500 Message-Id: <20180204175151.47B5C1A40377@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: jude.obscure@yandex.com Subject: Re: Swap on SSD In-Reply-To: Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 17:51:53 -0000 In article you write: >On 02/04/18 16:49, @lbutlr wrote: >> I have a machine that has dual SSDs in it and no spinning disks. FreeBSD has a 4GB (or so) swap partition that it created on the installation of FreeBSD 11.1. >> >> Isn't this going to cause problems for the SSD to have swap constantly working the drive? In my experience FreeBSD hardly swaps at all unless it's horribly overloaded. Remember that the only page frames that get written to swap are ones that don't have a home somewhere else. A large amount of any process image is program and data mapped in from disk files, and they don't get swapped, they just get deleted from memory and reloaded from the disk if needed. Do a "systat -vm" and you'll see how much swapping your system is doing. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 4 19:45:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD88EEC730 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 19:45:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: from out2-2.antispamcloud.com (out2-2.antispamcloud.com [185.201.17.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A43E6F32C for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 19:45:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: from [153.92.8.106] (helo=srv31.niagahoster.com) by mx26.antispamcloud.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eiKwu-0000Ms-Gz; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 15:07:19 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sumeritec.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender :Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=X3OPk14neNqTINcyhajlOymxM0M3mPRDci0VjHdT0sw=; b=B2aq+N7L8bMJucDVZjMKN7XK2N tKTMiYXEEc3PmLe2GCOzMpGdL+4ulgyQawbVNpVKwElfnE8MnhrT3udxYpRW9gt23GcGRt9bx4rKY TwAy1GgSbgU9raHYVppjhl9eVf0jKDcVsCqct47eOaN9nJR0tNMD3LP7Exa/2p1JQv5pbplBCEEBT 0nNdG1G9At5kA2R0C002b/OVXdxgk6qt4rGoUMFew9xGjv2Wd59hqnFbQ5TOFeldJXgzrb6WhZw3p g7bIRgzIPkkuGDGliIbRLOPnSeGYfdpduOPnoDGUDw5tIdT3JvrrJ5UD1UDpJ1QaHQb/a0vhXrBGn dX13mTcA==; Received: from [114.125.89.244] (port=27800 helo=X220.sumeritec.com) by srv31.niagahoster.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1eiKw0-0008JA-0u; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 21:06:20 +0700 Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 22:06:15 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: "@lbutlr" Cc: Freebsd Questions Subject: Re: Swap on SSD Message-ID: <20180204220615.49d94e1c.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> In-Reply-To: <26877DEB-034F-422B-918F-2A0D1C381537@kreme.com> References: <26877DEB-034F-422B-918F-2A0D1C381537@kreme.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AuthUser: freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com X-Originating-IP: 153.92.8.106 X-AntiSpamCloud-Domain: out.niagahoster.com X-AntiSpamCloud-Username: niaga Authentication-Results: antispamcloud.com; auth=pass (login) smtp.auth=niaga@out.niagahoster.com X-AntiSpamCloud-Outgoing-Class: ham X-AntiSpamCloud-Outgoing-Evidence: Combined (0.10) X-Recommended-Action: accept X-Filter-ID: EX5BVjFpneJeBchSMxfU5l3rc7ioBhyroenTDFu/dF/j1g3/PwYZaTCzSym8uE9H2knie1cTDfgQ eWpO7+sumcAQ5VKulWW831aX8jfszQLyY9uWxC/c+10BSk4Y/iesQS+97P1XTiKnX6ZBktyN353r QtGVs8hrZDKLu+o6O4aMszSVWngFmseFjnuKUwV9g8CBO1Snvm6qXHQp7O9kdcM06tZX8jUSaDA6 K29D8P6l3tDn+I3XbvcQvPPokOZ2+y6GkwF+5o92yIeBQ8/w7Flfyrty29xQUcaRNVfYDsTgrkYq YHrlY5r9bPw/kj0qxZAsWducJfkrhp2hCEbtetapCu+NsuMAnrPBU2QFddnq4GJ+ZtxJ+ceI//6w /dW555jeC/HswypaivzfzXdk4So1TImgbk3/kY8NUIxPeGYjm6HzplWfI6tiQsxbIRpG31/E3ahF 5MMcDI7KdpjQKZ8BlZEMKgDIqT+9rSefJ7YhEWyJzIkwSFAW0Pw8uiKeJaawUHIGhcC4JkTKDn0s zzUJo67bHANDEOxSBK8r6chfAZzyewtkz1NceFdIxnNCNnU1mpmPm5CkdKz3H40DRgD9CfXcaCeM SVdMvboP6mYlypoA1ssdqzF5clhexcu5WgNq0kZn8RYtniv+EU4JuQ2XLE3dEu55QGy5lTg1mJ1k 4aYEWZ7bbiyw9NaXXylSK1mzZ6W1woNns67b6wuVf8bzu6KtzLEyQv1TdfSjUh08CVsONrMJuGzu oGnKTKcylxX3oyW8j25ICqdkLeJ1ihuNHv4rh1GFlVUSLl/76o8FXdS921XAtH02FynsGcuWQA8P C5NBesxO/gc2I+P8qeX7fSM9Fg7V5UZ4uRwgiTPUL5aPVFe73VrbbHsLVyqMGhDuudrqPusR1RJ+ N4JdPQxcubsPNJBnXP2WcGZ7/XZr9/Mn670rgEzRrsP4YRqdIT5bQ03CjUb4tivtVCejSg== X-Report-Abuse-To: spam@quarantine1.antispamcloud.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 19:45:42 -0000 Hi, On Sun, 4 Feb 2018 04:19:25 -0700 "@lbutlr" wrote: > I have a machine that has dual SSDs in it and no spinning disks. > FreeBSD has a 4GB (or so) swap partition that it created on the > installation of FreeBSD 11.1. > > Isn't this going to cause problems for the SSD to have swap > constantly working the drive? > it depends on the amount of RAM the machine has. In case of, you just need more RAM. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 4 20:39:58 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4FCEEFFA6 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 20:39:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from vps349.pairvps.com (vps349.pairvps.com [216.92.231.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C83EE712D9 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 20:39:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (unknown [104.220.39.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vps349.pairvps.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C2639A63FE; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 15:39:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: anyone use different PCI Express card & slot #s? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: C Gray In-Reply-To: <3FBC6DB6-A1AA-42B0-AAF2-01A934C1BF60@kreme.com> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 12:39:49 -0800 Reply-To: C Gray Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <25EDC6EA-0D32-46D3-A8FB-6870534B75F9@council124.org> References: <8F08E935-33A8-4B5F-9057-51FAD51DA97D@council124.org> <20180201121251.95e345cf.freebsd@edvax.de> <09DEB81A-3DC1-4147-9249-0497C89F429B@council124.org> <69060D2E-8ED1-4BDB-8801-2BA29F15C632@council124.org> <3FBC6DB6-A1AA-42B0-AAF2-01A934C1BF60@kreme.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 20:39:58 -0000 My sound issue is hopefully resolving w/i days. My server boot/load was = recognizing a sound output device (Dell Soundbar) and will now hopefully = recognize the soon-to-be-installed into x4 slot sound-card (Creative = Sound Blaster Live! SB0060) for its MIDI usage and "mixer" complaint = (probably related to one of many "checkmark" add-ons with a port I = installed. We shall see.=20 It looks like the card should work, which is why I took so long to = qualify which one to get, as far as the chipset and being covered by the = built-in driver: snd_emu10kx(4).=20 With variables like "used", third-party manufacturer, my Dell T300 = server, as well as the driver and os release, it will be "in the grooves = zones" if it works with just the click of my "on" button.=20 Much thanks to fellow listees for directing me to a "higher % of = success" purchase and level of understanding. ;-) I ordered the newest (Oct 2015) 2-manual FreeBSD set, having only = earlier sets from decades back)l; sure, I downloaded them, however, I = like to take a problem-solution text with me on walks, to appointments, = and outside to sit with my hardworking squirrel and lofty-viewed bird = associates.=20 I also scarfed up "The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD = Operating System" (2nd Edition) by Marshall Kirk McKusick for a better = notion of the boot/load/run phases, esp. w/r/t nomenclature, structural = locations, key and vectoring-off processes, stepwise order, = troubleshooting. That should shed light on my device = mounting/linking/setting field-of-vision. And it should shut me up for a = while. ;-) thanks, chris frankfenderbender@council124.org= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 5 01:43:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C19FEE5177 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 01:43:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 01000161639c2792-43329eeb-e576-471a-a39e-4ab75ccfe8f0-000000@amazonses.com) Received: from a9-114.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a9-114.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.9.114]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 352EA7BD33 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 01:43:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 01000161639c2792-43329eeb-e576-471a-a39e-4ab75ccfe8f0-000000@amazonses.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=xi2fcwkatebqdkoe6uuutt53jubnl2jy; d=degustatoriacque.com; t=1517794633; h=Subject:Date:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; bh=V7m35Ru7cAT8gLCyZpQ0/1f+j0+Jlap7Kc1SM20DGxI=; b=CBhaTcMGk0xEGp9vN3nsfwVwooACCOU3Ko/haeIgFJY1u3CJGA8D0vjwB9HoAOrE 8ill7GYwrsRLEuSYQpjqzynjUOtht5Ycng17L+z6GWW7mklyq+TqHgR3dl63yU/WUNU OUgB5DGr5Llf0YIqAXVNV4zuBNzq1ohdAxTyZtoA= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1517794633; h=Subject:Date:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID:Feedback-ID; bh=V7m35Ru7cAT8gLCyZpQ0/1f+j0+Jlap7Kc1SM20DGxI=; b=HM2/PjBvm9puG0h/h/eMFSiGrARuiu4lnJ9h2EZ2OX1dLwlSAzJALQJNHx5/mjf/ Ev00z4WVAcpawVlbt/1lZvgNevrPyWrjIw/w1m3Fe6qMxyPQmxEAcOrDjBEuf5bub7y JUt1twlIJ4pE9fG4WKBismfXucwRlsGaIBhc4UOg= Subject: =?UTF-8?B?Q29yc2kgcGVyIGxhIGZvcm1hemlvbmUgZGkgSWRyb3NvbW1lbGxpZXIgaW4gRmllcmEgYSBSaW1pbmku?= Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 01:37:13 +0000 From: "=?UTF-8?B?QXNzb2NpYXppb25lIERlZ3VzdGF0b3JpIEFjcXVlIE1pbmVyYWxp?=" To: "=?UTF-8?B?ZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnNAZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc=?=" Message-ID: <01000161639c2792-43329eeb-e576-471a-a39e-4ab75ccfe8f0-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-SES-Outgoing: 2018.02.05-54.240.9.114 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.e5k5YvmJu4J2s7EAnCS8JTDvRfkODfY+JU94VVps3Tc=:AmazonSES MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 01:43:01 -0000 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 5 11:49:02 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9303CEE914E for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 11:49:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2280B6F9B2 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 11:49:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1517831347; x=1520423347; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=+rxOlBtQwqnZfxZ2KX2vpZiRzpqjQZEkE75b6H/MK9U=; b=t/Z3ZVoFPRl4ODQTMbKncu7W0P6inudipXwZL/7wfnI17VXolSWTM7IIezscB9Q+9hAbQHHEc6IIos+L9rB1c6ovvl8iHq6v0mhKZUiiDv6R7vNN1vJqw5i9+k6qWxE13o43QPtuFrN3D3muSx8C66Fw8SUhQr5wWRG0tMEgoUY= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi44YzAwMDAwMDIwMzFkNS5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r1.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com (EMTPY [54.186.235.111]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 5 Feb 2018 05:48:56 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r1.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 5 Feb 2018 05:48:46 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.90 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1eieKJ-000II5-70 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 05 Feb 2018 10:48:43 +0000 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 10:48:43 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Swap on SSD Message-Id: <20180205104843.0868711878b3ca277d9dce5f@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <26877DEB-034F-422B-918F-2A0D1C381537@kreme.com> References: <26877DEB-034F-422B-918F-2A0D1C381537@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 11:49:02 -0000 On Sun, 4 Feb 2018 04:19:25 -0700 "@lbutlr" wrote: > I have a machine that has dual SSDs in it and no spinning disks. FreeBSD > has a 4GB (or so) swap partition that it created on the installation of > FreeBSD 11.1. > > Isn't this going to cause problems for the SSD to have swap constantly > working the drive? If swap activity is constantly working the drive then you have a problem (add RAM or reduce workload) anyway. With an SSD the performance problem will be less painful than with a hard disc so for a system that is well sized to its load an SSD is a great solution for swap, rarely used but fast when needed. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 5 12:58:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2528EEE5A1 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 12:58:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jessesith@digitalwebentrprises.com) Received: from mail-wr0-x244.google.com (mail-wr0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 671567225B for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 12:58:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jessesith@digitalwebentrprises.com) Received: by mail-wr0-x244.google.com with SMTP id f6so27824386wra.6 for ; Mon, 05 Feb 2018 04:58:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=digitalwebentrprises.com; s=google; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=M5Ly/nHmKE1ucxB2ouz049ZkN02i5TSnnohPiStpXgk=; b=UNao2RaBHSQ4ca6qAR7unVteD7xYb/+j/QRXjkj87GJgFemUPjLeH0vUm/Rk00NRp6 na55vRVi08MeWtag/e/90Cp4BbkKQnvJ81TSLJnQs2lx/XBisjG+ghZWh/FuGrW6ZeGK W/c87Ip+rPhGTSVLiCkxUi/H1WTNpsaFTHOgM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject :to; bh=M5Ly/nHmKE1ucxB2ouz049ZkN02i5TSnnohPiStpXgk=; b=sOiS9YJNjoRlPkto4PpQGEcSvzDNN+OH/4los7TfvN8jYJKKesZogPcbS0lvPsfBBs fpgbA1FRs4unNFY5ZAYI6DumtFFPV3TVWPJsaKDjNomeeraEZlTjfjWEhCefmQg1xoXA q84UNioAH2oXsZaFU/7FcHc9IlnhUKrBWCJo/xpW8+uIzkdUkBEsTqma/I6c80biyEyr dhCM2UGRr3J0p7c9CUIvfXCqTxlXAvCrrXHhRyieD1JbjY/Sdla6r2CBPg22JNmBuigA AxMjK6HKSediDiRwWiMioqzxrNyc96VTUg1AIMDRZ7Vr1A8hQpjCu/VEBwyxRoiHTXov YDJA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytdCyYZQjDo4R3zVfhmRXSxGwjujnkBlsQYDYxy9goM+HZim2Jzh V6pQvBENFk0kEunYZMzpeL9DhzLDFXFIQ25C3LD3IDj+ X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x2258ZxqPjTk8+rjaGGc3ccFk5/9zDmcApICtusWXgu6XixrnuD53vbJ2N42lTG6R8ctmuA5rrRJGL+YqCIBhXZs= X-Received: by 10.223.134.237 with SMTP id 42mr17770434wry.283.1517835479036; Mon, 05 Feb 2018 04:57:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from 52669349336 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 07:57:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: jessesith@digitalwebentrprises.com From: jessesith@digitalwebentrprises.com Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 07:57:58 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: tf1tLWBHDThWZjCpzE9S0PMi4VY Message-ID: Subject: Re: Boost Freebsddiary.org with amazing deal To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 12:58:01 -0000 Dear Freebsddiary.org, How is it possible that your website is having so many errors and no top organic ranking? Yes, most of the people share their anger and frustration once they get my email. Now, I will show you the number of broken links, page speed issue, pages that returned *4XX status* code upon request, *HTML validation errors*, *broken/dead links*, Not Making the Site Cross Browser Compatible, images with no ALT text, pages with no meta description tag, not having an unique meta description, having too long title, etc., found in your Freebsddiary.org *. **NB*: Management has introduced a discounted plan for all old contacts, lets grow your online business with our best price. *Plan: SEO Standard (Most popular Plan)* Original price: $300 USD/m Keywords: 10 Back links: 60 Man hours: 60 *Offer price: $175 USD* I have a large professional team who can fix all the above issues immediately and bring your business on top organic ranking at an affordable price. I guarantee you will see a drastic change in your Google search ranking once these are fixed. If this is something you are interested in, then allow me to send you a no obligation audit report and quote. And we would provide Complete Customized Solution plan for every website. We are looking forward to a long and fruitful business relationship with you and your company. Looking forward to your response. Best Regards, Jesse Smith Marketing Consultant --------------------------------- [image: beacon] From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 5 13:37:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C13BEF0F90 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 13:37:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEFFF73A0F for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 13:37:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue105 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0Mb9Nj-1ePdk11JKl-00KhOj; Mon, 05 Feb 2018 14:37:22 +0100 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 14:37:20 +0100 From: Polytropon To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Response to Meltdown and Spectre Message-Id: <20180205143720.d4d98011.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <53029.108.68.160.114.1517707316.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <23154.11945.856955.523027@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <5A726B60.7040606@gmail.com> <92120E50-19A7-4A44-90DF-505243D77259@kreme.com> <044e62f7-69ca-71fe-34a8-5c5cafc06f08@yahoo.com> <0520dd84-c00c-fbf2-da1c-f6ff4c63739d@yahoo.com> <20180203224612.GA10517@milliways.localdomain> <51178.108.68.160.114.1517699531.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <53029.108.68.160.114.1517707316.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:zzM+0MNXpU403LB0xzMgRgcb1CdYyeYOW0LNTX33CWnD0BIw6d/ tDz31iG5u6o2bjz8KJyLRsixgosA10GkjBlJeIn/58eACMCCW4dPHrFrxJGZHUvQKYk2bjz nZeNbHkdNu+uZ95XYd56/BF4JHDT/UPIGpM5o9Kcci9Ibmz47g5zTXNztlO5gC89Rg+NB1Y 4jK+lqrmvLqk1v/EzYKLg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Ybzy41njxIY=:VfsP6t5/djfGi74ZT2XK7b 5mujCJogI+cu3WDlJhUx9z/G/K/jM2BzvipOFFzl7J/gWCBQsBI8OlQ0csqNbqMPpCP8nt2Vi rBE9/idaZdltMyA4zzqtnnUMvuLienEhU6ZLJZKMFGFTmMlTlc28pSMjHmJSwoRTDT+KXw4oi wiefZyDu/hMDO+Ea1mz0gFF0ljN0XPpfss/k8jQaePwmahjlbJUepUcHdc7o8o1TTkWlVs81S Ek1QLjd9pAtOe1RZVZYpCMGqQdrGpsHP9Muy9rS5cuRTqTjUwP2ZJtmJMWoOmTs5kn1fCMKQU BBFM5M4+423dbqSejLLxICzCe/HS9/ii78nQ3zMeAPTlftqtqLtTD+KD9eFuc1fBfAUkceK9u 8IcB5q1w1EFS+CJnm9KYUuzFNrqCl1vsXxUiVuK9WcIFyDPySG77N3mrfQP0riJnQwvTK9s1W nBCD9ymn21qkUK4WDKYtLcbMCWFYVRQLQTOedjMSkJKgRchrRSOrZ1C9m+R3XNuCVXUIkmkVu WnRzLYrpLF92guTeTcrlxBAGZBuWIGTHDT8AOTLjfFPAD47ZWwetfT97iTKYUycW45nngDFHB 1tBIL3HBdyEa6Gc1MSP1+9pw7QE5A3SDj4ZyGH0tty2gbqOnvGOjil2MHhiBxXjUfNPDh+SHP wIr/rUM+J0KDn2rjj8K1GqjTfr8vnzRSbMf2UTIqra0bLLaDW0YHtj2P4hytF5+UHa4X0JTBb ylJdDIqXrwMysFQ72/DJyctjuGqAcgMjNh0e4YaSg7ygJqEU3eGOsmODRTo= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 13:37:33 -0000 On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 19:21:56 -0600 (CST), Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > On Sat, February 3, 2018 7:00 pm, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > On 2018-02-03, "Valeri Galtsev" wrote: > > > >> With all due respect, one person saying, it didn't affect me, doesn't > >> prove it is not disastrous for somebody else. Even if it is one machine > >> out of thousand that is "bricked" for some time, it is a disaster for > >> sysadmin who has that machine as a production server > > > > Of course, but who at all is saying that Intel's microcode updates > > have "bricked" any machines? This appears to be an entirely spurious > > claim, based on nothing other than grievous exaggeration that turns > > "higher system reboots" into "bricked". You guys are talking each > > other into a frenzy of fear over nothing. > > For all production server I run any reboot that is not scheduled by admins > is ultimate disaster, so it is equivalent to "bricked" machine. That > hardware can not be further used as production server, but "mere" fact or > reboot is ultimate disaster itself. While this is not the established meaning of "bricked", it it definitely an understandable (!) interpretation of the term. Allow me to explain: After a device gets bricked, for example by a firmware update gone bad (bricked by software), or by a power surge coming from a malfunctioning power supply (bricked by hardware), it cannot be used for anything anymore. It's like a brick. Usually, it will be disposed of. In this specific case, I can fully understand that if an update (here: CPU microcode) renders a server-class (!) device unpredicatable, this is often the same as unusable (!) for use as a server. Many sysadmins will agree that if you cannot rely on a system, it's not a good fit for a production machine. In this specific case, it doesn't actually matter if the problem was in there from the beginning, or added later by an upgrade. This problem doesn't just occur in CPU or system board firmware upgrades, but can also affect hard disk firmware or whole appliances. Basically, any unscheduled downtime (for whatever "accidental" maintenance reason) is bad in general, and definitely not a sign of quality for server hardware. On the other hand, I know many businesses where rebooting servers is quite common ("Windows"-based installations, of course), which if often due to software problems, wrongly configured hardware, broken hardware, or missing technical skills of the "professional consultants" and "solution experts" - that's what you find out in the many post mortems. In such settings, rebooting and then accepting a decrease in performance simply doesn't matter. The costs will be relayed to the customers, of course, and the final consumer will pay the costs added on all levels of the trade chain. This is a typical thing here in Germany - nobody cares. > I bet I am not the only sysadmin with this point of view. That is why I > said production server is by no means comparable to sobody's home > workstation. But I bet many people have the same attitude to their home > workstations as I have to servers I am responsible for. Well, I for one > have the same attitude to all my computers, including laptops, and as a > sysadmin - to all computers of people I support. You are definitely not alone with that mindset. You probably also get the gears in your brain working for the next important (and logical) question: What to buy instead? Which manufacturer can I trust? Will more money prevent such problems in the future, or will it just be money spent for marketing BS? Actually, most users who have experience in professional settings will want a system that is reliable and secure, for a reasonable price. Home users, on the other hand, do not care, and they will buy whatever is on the shelf, in the shiny box, with the "SALE" tag above it. They have "learned" that permanently rebooting computers is normal, and usage speed doesn't increase, even though computing power increases. In our throw-away society, replacing stuff (with similar stuff to do the same things as before) is socially accepted and a requirement for technical evolution, and the "free market" needs that attitude, because without growth there will be no growth, and no growth is bad for everyone... > Of course, some people may have different point of view on this, which > does not deprive me of expecting from my hardware to work without > "glitches". This specific mentality is present among those who are not personally responsible for systems and their reliability (i. e., home consumers and typical office drones who are paid for being present and visible in the office, not for getting work done, and surely not for using their brains). > My apologies for being edgy. These things make me such. Working in IT is not fun anymore... ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 5 15:16:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0601ECC5F7 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 15:16:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FDF1779B4 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 15:16:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) Received: from roundcube.fjl.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w15FGNe9059018 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 15:16:24 GMT (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 15:16:22 +0000 From: Frank Leonhardt To: Freebsd Questions Subject: ACL trouble Message-ID: <634f440c0ab99f5c49bf592a6e796789@roundcube.fjl.org.uk> X-Sender: freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.9.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 15:16:34 -0000 I know there is more than one flavour of ACL but in general... Imagine you have two groups - one "accounts" and another "dodgy". If it helps you could even have a third - "notdodgy" - which contains all the users not in "dodgy". You have a resource, called "master-file". This must be accessible to everyone in accounts EXCEPT for those also in the dodgy group. That'a right - you have some dodgy accountants. How do you do this? The problem with ACLs, as I understand them, is that the system will search through until it finds an "allow" condition and only return "deny" if it completely fails. In other words, Group1 OR Group2 = Allow. I want a condition that says Group1 AND Group2 = Allow. If this beyond what ACLs can do I have a clunky Plan B: a cron job that will maintain a third group called "notdodgyaccounts" and use that as a group owner "master-file", avoiding ACLs completely. But I thought ACLs were supposed to be the answer to everything. Am I missing something? Thanks, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 5 15:23:47 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC6EED0182 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 15:23:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77EB777FEA for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 15:23:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from roundcube.fjl.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w15FNhXT060649 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 15:23:43 GMT (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 15:23:43 +0000 From: Frank Leonhardt To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dualboot and ZFS Organization: FJL Microsystems In-Reply-To: <20180131082738.GA46395@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20180115051308.GA45168@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180115125241.GB60956@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180115144747.GA65526@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180115151526.GA66342@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180116034929.GB89443@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180131082738.GA46395@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Message-ID: <547e65d16ef16667f61d88463ca73079@roundcube.fjl.org.uk> X-Sender: frank2@fjl.co.uk User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.9.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 15:23:47 -0000 On 2018-01-31 08:27, Victor Sudakov wrote: > My pool works successfully in a bhyve environment, but in VirtualBox > 5.0.14 > (to test the real boot sequence) I get this message from zfsboot: > > zfsboot: No ZFS pools located, can't boot > > However, if I boot from LiveCD, the pool is there, it's healthy and > can be imported. > > Why is it that zfsboot is not finding the pool? Is it because the pool > has been created in /dev/ada0s1a instead of /dev/ada0s1 ? Seems likely! zfsboot will attempt to get a pool together from BIOS-visible disks. That probably means MBR but your BIOS may vary - especially one on a virtual environment. gptzfsboot might do better. But I'd look at the virtual machine BIOS configuration first. Once you've booted (e.g. from a LiveCD), disks and slices not visible to the BIOS become fair game for forming a zpool. Regards, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 5 15:57:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342F7ED715E for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 15:57:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (mail.dpedia.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2A9F794F9 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 15:57:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [88.217.99.27] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eij94-0007FF-9H; Mon, 05 Feb 2018 16:57:26 +0100 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id w15FvN6a002994 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:57:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id w15FvMxD002993; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:57:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:57:21 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: Polytropon Cc: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Response to Meltdown and Spectre Message-ID: <20180205155721.GA2938@c720-r314251> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , Polytropon , galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <044e62f7-69ca-71fe-34a8-5c5cafc06f08@yahoo.com> <0520dd84-c00c-fbf2-da1c-f6ff4c63739d@yahoo.com> <20180203224612.GA10517@milliways.localdomain> <51178.108.68.160.114.1517699531.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <53029.108.68.160.114.1517707316.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20180205143720.d4d98011.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="T4sUOijqQbZv57TR" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180205143720.d4d98011.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! Please send only plain text. User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.0 (2017-02-23) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 88.217.99.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 15:57:37 -0000 --T4sUOijqQbZv57TR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El d=C3=ADa lunes, febrero 05, 2018 a las 02:37:20p. m. +0100, Polytropon e= scribi=C3=B3: > > For all production server I run any reboot that is not scheduled by adm= ins > > is ultimate disaster, so it is equivalent to "bricked" machine. That > > hardware can not be further used as production server, but "mere" fact = or > > reboot is ultimate disaster itself. >=20 > While this is not the established meaning of "bricked", it it > definitely an understandable (!) interpretation of the term. For me "bricked" in addition to "unusable" means: there is no software way any more to change the fault because the hardware does not boot up into a state where it could read(...) any attempts to change somethinb. The device is now "dark" and does not communicate anymore by no means. Only a hardware change (for example replace some chip) would help. matthias --=20 Matthias Apitz, =E2=9C=89 guru@unixarea.de, =E2=8C=82 http://www.unixarea.d= e/ =F0=9F=93=B1 +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub Thanks to the Soviet Army for the Victory in Stalingrad! -- =D0=9F=D0=BE=D0= =B1=D0=B5=D0=B4=D0=B0 =D0=B2 =D0=A1=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=BD=D0=B3=D1= =80=D0=B0=D0=B4=D1=81=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=B9 =D0=B1=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B2=D0=B5! --T4sUOijqQbZv57TR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEXmn7rBYYViyzy/vBR8z35Hb+nREFAlp4ft4ACgkQR8z35Hb+ nRF9axAAlsX2HtX3YBBCWTBPk37UKgHGZH/HVeIMl0e7pF5Q9UHB7ncPDsBzDHMC YAE1Ayz2opUrDEXm93EhEMxAzviYe73SI1f6LM3II3RZQrQpEDTWFsXisQuATqdT dPvD/IrBFHu033UA9IBOGi7MSsk0OLM0I18kAPJa/Z9AbYhWiDSkG9tHciyOEWlU O7g3Q4BUps0Bk9swtW45gfiBplBjKnU363cTmp73EBZ5VJPE43wYwF1ZUxXxIZJR T1rAjvtEv903H4e3vqRtVwluZrx3rq9tbQJLv1pNitKY5djSziUVsshkdRaXBTkM IzgJSNwecjqdhIGUMYLUVGDOjMJWia78Q4rKv5+6DadhqU7DHTBDwndbMxioKQO/ Yn7uGAEruCZQEJc7OfpLz56vCzctSweOGcSJUHrDHLJkaVvmv4OJYiraHCvNm1ON d6XQJJLUJODc3J1UwgrlCfg5JvWmATkxnafDRSOxeqr/zLO1IoCCZHBDhD7iKf/o 2F53rVLc/9h7qV3bkTSw5hWPrkLOVKzTsr4Z2MX7A52VFjRpqoPbzUjdzv39aLy2 L8LN+Sxz9/UNncOCAIiY/ALaF96CB4UAq94SgxELzB9FFcCWNs/tr4CUTQyA/had Usn4G+8qGj2dUcBB6Mlfa3ddPhKNApjVB6KZrKxlt57TGHHTf3k= =3l76 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --T4sUOijqQbZv57TR-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 5 16:13:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C62ED87F9 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:13:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F09B7A08A for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:13:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from roundcube.fjl.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w15GDPZQ071318 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:13:25 GMT (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 16:13:25 +0000 From: Frank Leonhardt To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Swap on SSD Organization: FJL Microsystems In-Reply-To: <26877DEB-034F-422B-918F-2A0D1C381537@kreme.com> References: <26877DEB-034F-422B-918F-2A0D1C381537@kreme.com> Message-ID: X-Sender: frank2@fjl.co.uk User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.9.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 16:13:29 -0000 On 2018-02-04 11:19, @lbutlr wrote: > I have a machine that has dual SSDs in it and no spinning disks. > FreeBSD has a 4GB (or so) swap partition that it created on the > installation of FreeBSD 11.1. > > Isn't this going to cause problems for the SSD to have swap constantly > working the drive? Assuming you have enough RAM, I'd turn it off. "swapoff -a" if you can't wait and edit fstab if don't mind a reboot. You could use gpart to return it to normal use. But there's more to it than that. And all SSDs are definitely NOT created equal. Some cost 10x as much as others and are designed to be pounded. Others are cheap and expect to be treated gently. If you're using an enterprise SSD it probably won't matter, but you'd probably know it if you were. FreeBSD doesn't actually swap these days; uses demand paging. This means that blocks of RAM that are hardly ever used can get copied to disk. This may include some stuff that's only accessed a few times a year, but would otherwise be occupying precious RAM that would be much more useful as a disk cache. That said, FreeBSD tends not to page out except as a last resort - probably a mistake but I can't prove it. It's perfectly feasible to run with no swap. I sometimes think the gradual slow-down due to lack of caching/buffer space is preferable to a thousand page-faults/second. But what works for you depends on the workload and available RAM. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 5 16:19:48 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD96ED8FDA for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:19:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 117277A2E5 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:19:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from roundcube.fjl.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w15GJhWh072727 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:19:43 GMT (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 16:19:43 +0000 From: Frank Leonhardt To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Response to Meltdown and Spectre Organization: FJL Microsystems In-Reply-To: <20180205155721.GA2938@c720-r314251> References: <044e62f7-69ca-71fe-34a8-5c5cafc06f08@yahoo.com> <0520dd84-c00c-fbf2-da1c-f6ff4c63739d@yahoo.com> <20180203224612.GA10517@milliways.localdomain> <51178.108.68.160.114.1517699531.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <53029.108.68.160.114.1517707316.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20180205143720.d4d98011.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180205155721.GA2938@c720-r314251> Message-ID: <9db8908e8c86efddcab5b768fcde1f24@roundcube.fjl.org.uk> X-Sender: frank2@fjl.co.uk User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.9.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 16:19:48 -0000 On 2018-02-05 15:57, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día lunes, febrero 05, 2018 a las 02:37:20p. m. +0100, Polytropon > escribió: > >> > For all production server I run any reboot that is not scheduled by admins >> > is ultimate disaster, so it is equivalent to "bricked" machine. That >> > hardware can not be further used as production server, but "mere" fact or >> > reboot is ultimate disaster itself. >> >> While this is not the established meaning of "bricked", it it >> definitely an understandable (!) interpretation of the term. > > For me "bricked" in addition to "unusable" means: there is no software > way any more to change the fault because the hardware does not boot up > into a state where it could read(...) any attempts to change somethinb. > The > device is now "dark" and does not communicate anymore by no means. > > Only a hardware change (for example replace some chip) would help. I'd go further - something is only bricked to me when I can't fix it using a rework station. It's been done... HOWEVER, Polytropon et al make a very good point - if the software update means the device is no longer usable for its intended purpose then it might as well have bricked it. The effect is the same. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 5 16:32:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ACA3EDA3E9 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:32:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABFB07ADDA for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:32:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue002 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0Lup4D-1ermAN0i93-0100bE; Mon, 05 Feb 2018 17:32:26 +0100 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 17:32:25 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Frank Leonhardt Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Response to Meltdown and Spectre Message-Id: <20180205173225.9d144902.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <9db8908e8c86efddcab5b768fcde1f24@roundcube.fjl.org.uk> References: <044e62f7-69ca-71fe-34a8-5c5cafc06f08@yahoo.com> <0520dd84-c00c-fbf2-da1c-f6ff4c63739d@yahoo.com> <20180203224612.GA10517@milliways.localdomain> <51178.108.68.160.114.1517699531.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <53029.108.68.160.114.1517707316.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20180205143720.d4d98011.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180205155721.GA2938@c720-r314251> <9db8908e8c86efddcab5b768fcde1f24@roundcube.fjl.org.uk> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:jIJYK+YJ0EWwYSH5YDnJqj1VDn0+FBkli/Byjlw8Rvz1qVWABXd 4RBB1Fu8DRspRR5riiW2wCvcISb56sHHkwLqLPiv3HrykAK11SrInIQZzQSG1F+9Sx5o77s qFMko6xqkX12Y8Qk0OvOK0gaVrSfJBStqOjIGBryVDv+7bfs81xSCD1ekPohEx9Vc+Dgit4 VwGN/oq42xfk0RK59NEZg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:3/iHtpju/ns=:NwusWKBht0LIFCpk2OpIhq 0tMWsh2MoKEaA4RXipgt+Tatf8qOaApkjCZBhKzLKaqIu1keVjVe6/Z5W3b+unQLwpa17oo5z NVVM1dKmbaI09kACMhNd6xZUX+H6LwNoRu7ISEm5+xVAvjGvuqtwcp1OP+gRctYnjfFPC8oTS WAmzjIkVADUsy7Rwr/cVWodrrnwQWlOLrzrv+n6OtJFEFsQEDLyActgASnQkT698Z9wtht2ch H5Ue933hqqOlGb6A0kRGWGK1+KOxzumVTduHQ8CkSjwH1avXUQ1EXHBmKPuvzEkJN3DSDknC/ 2MvZW6wO+QKy+aEEiZsT3rW67kPGmtrY7M5KmfoeYXX0kJ2rKdaT8JZRLdqoiDKeOy+IMjHpN UAoi8koZraNlVdnirmwykD6hCTmhmxJaXkxK04XW/ci+MW4aTDsUkQun2E/HNilUj59DmGnn/ EsfR7ldJrCqGiDQOZoIyfIS6k9YUJDO+GAMQAgFqTkBQQDHhGBGwehYIK6mRF5RQ/ebG0VNhz MGRxEgP9Uh8R+zxWwN/J8y8tX5bwZHWbaJsrPnu7XAUMI4wW5nn+CpLfN5I1oDapNVJWklK4u C0iaNpCOGe2RnL0fbaJcARucVb2yxWFAzbO2VikymHFL6RePj0r47N9kAZcoe9U1x7nA53mZY dqw0swTGSOb5se7kKvxN9EXIXW3C1A7XYccn8/Kle2PruXMG7WfLpsLPv3Icg1+h8tvSZlTPZ sE55S49Uo3VkPgqsj6o7Jc6f3QZNc2jIhorIoQV8dkVphJTPvYoYgfSkRL8= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 16:32:34 -0000 On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 16:19:43 +0000, Frank Leonhardt wrote: > On 2018-02-05 15:57, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > El d=EDa lunes, febrero 05, 2018 a las 02:37:20p. m. +0100, Polytropon= =20 > > escribi=F3: > >=20 > >> > For all production server I run any reboot that is not scheduled by = admins > >> > is ultimate disaster, so it is equivalent to "bricked" machine. That > >> > hardware can not be further used as production server, but "mere" fa= ct or > >> > reboot is ultimate disaster itself. > >>=20 > >> While this is not the established meaning of "bricked", it it > >> definitely an understandable (!) interpretation of the term. > >=20 > > For me "bricked" in addition to "unusable" means: there is no software > > way any more to change the fault because the hardware does not boot up > > into a state where it could read(...) any attempts to change somethinb.= =20 > > The > > device is now "dark" and does not communicate anymore by no means. > >=20 > > Only a hardware change (for example replace some chip) would help. >=20 > I'd go further - something is only bricked to me when I can't fix it=20 > using a rework station. It's been done... >=20 > HOWEVER, Polytropon et al make a very good point - if the software=20 > update means the device is no longer usable for its intended purpose=20 > then it might as well have bricked it. The effect is the same. That's exactly what I wanted to express: A device like a server is a machine that is specified and expected (!) to work within certain margins. Those can include processing power, I/O throughput, in conclusion downtime, reliability, performance (power utilized per $) and so on. If a software update changes this situation - and not needlessly turns it into an unbootable piece of electronic garbage -, the machine leaves those margins and can no longer be trusted in a production environment. It's not bricked per se (does still boot, does still run), but can be treated as if it was - it needs to be removed from the installation and replaced by something else. Basically, it's up to your defintion of "works as intended". Especially in production server environments, downtime is a very important thing. NB: Downtime always means "unplanned downtime", because planned downtime is "maintenance period". :-) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 5 17:53:56 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00835EE18BE for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 17:53:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (www.covisp.net [65.121.55.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2EDF7FE55 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 17:53:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: LuKreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 10:53:47 -0700 Subject: Re: Swap on SSD Message-Id: <24BAEBB4-FAA7-47C8-A6FC-32839063666F@kreme.com> References: <26877DEB-034F-422B-918F-2A0D1C381537@kreme.com> In-Reply-To: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: iPad Mail (15E5167f) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 17:53:56 -0000 On Feb 5, 2018, at 09:13, Frank Leonhardt wrote: > FreeBSD doesn't actually swap these days; uses demand paging. This means t= hat blocks of RAM that are hardly ever used can get copied to disk. This may= include some stuff that's only accessed a few times a year, but would other= wise be occupying precious RAM that would be much more useful as a disk cach= e. That said, FreeBSD tends not to page out except as a last resort - probab= ly a mistake but I can't prove it. Thanks, this is what I didn't know because I know it use to swap a lot, even= if RAM was available (albeit, that may behave been v4...). I think I'll leave it for now, the machine has 8 times as much RAM as the on= e it replaced and is doing less, so I really shouldn't have any issues. The p= revious machine was setup to use a swap file instead of a partition. --=20 This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 5 18:00:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A432BEE2146 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 18:00:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kreme@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (www.covisp.net [65.121.55.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52450801B8 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 18:00:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kreme@kreme.com) From: Cerebus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 11:00:27 -0700 Subject: Automount USB drive when connected Message-Id: <3BAACBF6-C4E0-44AA-AD5F-277D3C8267C0@kreme.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: iPad Mail (15E5167f) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 18:00:37 -0000 I have a USB enclosure that I'd like to be able to walk up to the machine a= nd plug in and have a series of things happen: 1) Disk mounts in /mnt/backup (or wherever, the key is it mounts without int= ervention) 2) a backup script I specify runs when the disk successfully mounts 3) when complete /mnt/backup unmounts=20 I've got step 2 (mostly), and step 3 is trivial, but I can't get step 1 work= ing (To be clear, this disk would never be present at startup. Basically, walk i= n, plug in drive, let the backup run, unplug the drive, and leave. I want th= is to work without requiring anyone to login) --=20 ADVANCE TO THE REAR!= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 5 18:44:49 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A9F5EE5B60 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 18:44:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dalescott@shaw.ca) Received: from smtp-out-no.shaw.ca (smtp-out-no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31F1F8294D for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 18:44:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dalescott@shaw.ca) Received: from dalet420 ([174.0.43.39]) by shaw.ca with ESMTP id ilktenlPZppe1ilkue556v; Mon, 05 Feb 2018 11:44:42 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=shaw.ca; s=s20150330; t=1517856282; bh=eoxi4FbdfMhIDjCLj/5wlmT2sBQRTP1pUQGXM5saj7M=; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date; b=w7DEvosWNtcc779XcV+k8SAlD8pjSRwn01X9Y0o5cox4VNr2+VMEpqfqd0ZEb6wpG 0kllPrb4UciId/bDpqohmTmB77POR+5oX0DCngOuk3rlgSxMOCC5yaMOac38R7NQ+u Ae96JyKarmIKSG8eBrf+/kIV6lTTjHNhrQI/h6iW3+blfIe75ngfRQTCZfejrTqVyz e7T8SHwJtvKmQPEXLirR9Q71qUTs4EH1gAYOp9LU3aoBS0GlG7YgXacYCv3Lp2/ezJ u35FPnj7a9kye0u+l1Ec3MSt3jImnsu2tdkAgAvCAPkGYnk+sepDqvfRzntHUDcE1U w2Jek3b3yiYRA== X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=Bo6zP7f5 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=TiBur8m8wieNAdBnNdHE5Q==:117 a=TiBur8m8wieNAdBnNdHE5Q==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=5mcg790sAAAA:8 a=6IL3gGmbkmilRJdfysoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=uQeDYW1NI25gHNlrW_eK:22 From: "Dale Scott" To: "'Christian Weisgerber'" , References: <00d101d399eb$318a7c40$949f74c0$@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: freebsd tar fails but not gtar ?!? Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 11:44:39 -0700 Message-ID: <00ff01d39eb1$62977750$27c665f0$@shaw.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHONWgI8asJPhL5ttsRNtkHwBXWHQFLyXaQo5aYPbA= Content-Language: en-us X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfC/0zOOgf6M+QApTj7KkPe+voGgV9MlDqs9Mva53nCz3bvxp38CeX3vhnOXHWNSSLzlFTugpI1GXb98jU+OTVBUM3TBfRtAVB2qGljS147On7g3vW/4A 82gI2jbEs8pNMPXMGubE8lpGKNmRbLwGjzrCEHzOR3qgPnn9Zhfbi7bJVec8jF85RfWlC/QLCQhL2A== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 18:44:49 -0000 On 2018-02-03 Christian Weisgerber wrote: > How is it failing? The "Can't translate pathname" messages you quote are > warnings, not errors. > > > It?s been suggested that locale on the system isn?t set correctly. > > Does this sound familiar to anyone? > > Well, when I take a file with UTF-8-encoded non-ASCII characters in its name > and tar it up in the POSIX locale, then I get the same warning. Clearly tar is > trying to normalize path name encodings in some way. Unfortunately this is > not documented. My best guess is that it tries to iconv(3) path names from > the current locale encoding to UTF-8. If the path names are have an invalid > encoding in the current locale, iconv(3) fails, prompting the warning. > > You can simply ignore the warnings. If you extract the archive under the > same conditions as those when you created it, the path names will be just > fine. I'm somewhat ashamed to admit I hadn't actually checked the tar archive. You are correct, the files with warnings are all included. > Or you can make sure that the character encoding in your locale setting > matches those of the file names you are backing up. Most likely something > like LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 will do. If you don't understand what I'm talking > about, you might want to read up on those topics. I will try your suggestion, and yes, I definitely need to read up on locale setting! :-) Thanks and best regards, Dale --- Dale R. Scott, P.Eng. http://www.dalescott.net From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 5 18:46:58 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2226EE5E7D for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 18:46:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (www.covisp.net [65.121.55.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6388782CBE for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 18:46:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: LuKreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 11:46:56 -0700 Subject: Re: ACL trouble Message-Id: References: <634f440c0ab99f5c49bf592a6e796789@roundcube.fjl.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <634f440c0ab99f5c49bf592a6e796789@roundcube.fjl.org.uk> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: iPad Mail (15E5167f) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 18:46:58 -0000 On Feb 5, 2018, at 08:16, Frank Leonhardt wrote: > The problem with ACLs, as I understand them, is that the system will searc= h through until it finds an "allow" condition and only return "deny" if it c= ompletely fails. In other words, Group1 OR Group2 =3D Allow. I want a condit= ion that says Group1 AND Group2 =3D Allow. That is not my experience with ACLs in general, but I have not used them on = FreeBSD. For example, on my machine I used to have a folder of movies that were world= readable, but all the R and NC-17 movies isn=E2=80=99t eh folder were tagge= d with an ACL that meant the kids accounts could not read the files. They co= uld see the file names because they could read the directory, but they could= not play the movies. Similarly, I had a folder that was not accessible to them, they could see th= e name of the folder, but could not see the contents and because those files= inherited the ACL of the folder even if they'd guessed at the name of a fil= e, they would not have been able to access it. My understanding is that ACLs evaluate all the rules, and then fall through t= o the UNIX permission if nothing matches a rule. --=20 This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 5 18:53:15 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1776FEE68F5 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 18:53:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4C63836BC for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 18:53:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) X_CMAE_Category: , , X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=YuZNfMQX c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:117 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:17 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=XRQyMpdBKAEA:10 a=Op4juWPpsa0A:10 a=48faUk6PgeAA:10 a=ti1vpir2ktW9QkatfwQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine X-Authed-Username: cm9iZXJ0aHVmZkByY24uY29t Authentication-Results: smtp03.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=roberthuff@rcn.com; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp03.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=roberthuff@rcn.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp03.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.user=roberthuff; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received-SPF: softfail (smtp03.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: transitional domain rcn.com does not designate 209.6.230.48 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.6.230.48] ([209.6.230.48:16259] helo=jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384) id A5/68-00908-418A87A5; Mon, 05 Feb 2018 13:53:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <23160.43027.295357.808217@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 13:53:07 -0500 From: Robert Huff To: Frank Leonhardt Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Swap on SSD In-Reply-To: References: <26877DEB-034F-422B-918F-2A0D1C381537@kreme.com> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 25.3.1 (amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 18:53:15 -0000 Frank Leonhardt writes: > FreeBSD doesn't actually swap these days; uses demand paging. Possible evidence to the contrary: On a system running: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT #0 r326723: Sat Dec 9 12:30:04 EST 2017 amd64 top shows: last pid: 57956; load averages: 2.02, 2.01, 1.95 up 57+19:09:04 13:49:29 132 processes: 3 running, 129 sleeping CPU: 38.7% user, 0.4% nice, 7.9% system, 0.0% interrupt, 53.0% idle Mem: 2264M Active, 2303M Inact, 1478M Laundry, 1525M Wired, 761M Buf, 115M Free Swap: 17G Total, 996M Used, 16G Free, 5% Inuse So ... is "Swap" an incorrect label, or is actual swapping going on? (And is there a utility which will list the swap area by owning process?) Respectfully, Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 5 20:08:27 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 128A6EEBADE for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 20:08:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC74586B18 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 20:08:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 54574 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2018 20:08:25 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; s=d52c.5a78b9b9.k1802; bh=QksPE+srIgGPxaurkKdBLN6R2Sqegy3btBOupkAu7Bs=; b=Pm20V1opCwUZ+b0f+cJHt/beKxmzXuEtWL57IE4gCTKlhHYKLP6NbsMLmLeeoBEU40Klfg5KmvWaBiUFRQy6TH9Ucm4oGHLdKQslVWhct7qtJ3ayNmC9BsumUSxf8YMY1OHwXJADei3lSbEED1RqY0s/PO5vNBYqmwn2VEIh14ysWDnkmSPQjHoz/zSixIdaInq8HEturqnMHkEDhhtqVfg3EUHEylDNm3q0nb1teuqN66ISuo25fyk65PtpML3U Received: from localhost ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.2/X.509/AEAD) via TCP6; 05 Feb 2018 20:08:25 -0000 Date: 5 Feb 2018 15:08:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: "John R. Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Swap on SSD User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (OSX 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 20:08:27 -0000 In article <24BAEBB4-FAA7-47C8-A6FC-32839063666F@kreme.com>, LuKreme wrote: >On Feb 5, 2018, at 09:13, Frank Leonhardt wrote: >> FreeBSD doesn't actually swap these days; uses demand paging. This means that blocks of RAM that are hardly ever used can get >copied to disk. This may include some stuff that's only accessed a few times a year, but would otherwise be occupying precious >RAM that would be much more useful as a disk cache. That said, FreeBSD tends not to page out except as a last resort - probably a >mistake but I can't prove it. That's right. The swap space is where it pages stuff that doesn't have a home anywhere else. A great deal of what's in memory is a copy of something on the disk, so if it's paged out, it goes back to the disk, or it's just deleted in the common case that it hasn't changed since being read in. Unless your system is trying to do something that wants a lot more R/W address space than is physically available, the system doesn't write much to the swap space. On one of my BSD cloud virtual machines I have a server process that slurps in about a gigabyte of stuff into a very large perl table, then sits there and answers queries from that table. The system swaps like crazy for a few seconds while it's loading up the table, then quiets down and reads a few pages a second from the swap as the queries come in. That's about the worst case, and only becasue I'm a cheapskate and don't want to pay for a larger VM where everything would fit in RAM. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 5 20:29:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58AD9EED275 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 20:29:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (mail.dpedia.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E15C787A12 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 20:29:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [93.209.224.150] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1einOG-0008Sa-9G; Mon, 05 Feb 2018 21:29:24 +0100 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id w15KTNRo003423 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 5 Feb 2018 21:29:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id w15KTMMq003422; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 21:29:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 21:29:22 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Polytropon , galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu Subject: Re: Response to Meltdown and Spectre Message-ID: <20180205202922.GA3381@c720-r314251> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Polytropon , galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu References: <044e62f7-69ca-71fe-34a8-5c5cafc06f08@yahoo.com> <0520dd84-c00c-fbf2-da1c-f6ff4c63739d@yahoo.com> <20180203224612.GA10517@milliways.localdomain> <51178.108.68.160.114.1517699531.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <53029.108.68.160.114.1517707316.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20180205143720.d4d98011.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180205155721.GA2938@c720-r314251> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="17pEHd4RhPHOinZp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180205155721.GA2938@c720-r314251> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! Please send only plain text. User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.0 (2017-02-23) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 93.209.224.150 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 20:29:28 -0000 --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, but there is a fundamental difference between "bricked" and "faulty/buggy/unusable/...".=20 In the latter case you can revoke the change or install a better update or a next change to fix (hopefully) the issue. In the case of "bricked" you can't do anything (apart of changing the hardware) to change the situation. matthias --=20 Matthias Apitz, =E2=9C=89 guru@unixarea.de, =E2=8C=82 http://www.unixarea.d= e/ =F0=9F=93=B1 +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub Thanks to the Soviet Army for the Victory in Stalingrad! -- =D0=9F=D0=BE=D0= =B1=D0=B5=D0=B4=D0=B0 =D0=B2 =D0=A1=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=BD=D0=B3=D1= =80=D0=B0=D0=B4=D1=81=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=B9 =D0=B1=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B2=D0=B5! --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEXmn7rBYYViyzy/vBR8z35Hb+nREFAlp4vp8ACgkQR8z35Hb+ nRGOuxAAokh6q0ek4542qppF6JqnaIk1hI+QGo4ESQyhhwNbwNau1taGDrlKYVb2 Ds9WMtUCu+J858f7S7Pq+Qzv8pm3sFIvVU/N4Ya9gFa2DCYrd3X46S+sRkrKJC+8 7Fju3SpsfyPiMNPdDAwlPy85cT6UfPwtGvpQCZt0SN4vrqfe7SHesAidHXQqPI88 SAM1Z88povzjV9FWkBPjOdgC+JENT97jPfX8Ewx0eG5MwJz+Q0+VLggkLiMEvnoE 1svZwqsyeYm66oKuVrkbVYRVO0PyXK90C/AjinkllD9X7mj12pevwVFE67CS0emF HrMz4Z0UkGE3Gn9rHyJoS7t8dG9Ad0jqDAY4kSbw5WMHe5Yc8u67oaWDExRJYkSp Bq/Vw2jvGtbyb2VLY7II1CHwdNf0Net8/ilmSUXbQytgDbNNFeI+177gTErKqwUm lONG43ywZLL/DYFAOVqupffW2zXGsiV8Ag1z2s3X9Y7tMKyy5TpzXIyLu06rzi4G wb42uHuwv1Sg/xgHS7Tqp4ckVokEwVkcHQzsgOEA7lwElv7nB774HSrHnfkXVGGU fgPR0OGFVLGsYG8aC9sj9wEPexFrjCqbvru9H0oASOKbbZgE8vmuSc4XQ1e8JTwC OweqJYdTIynsRoKkkUpCVVqgr4yiZ+pKSkStUnQUPkENKTxOFFw= =vc0T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 5 20:32:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5655EED7B1 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 20:32:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk0-f68.google.com (mail-vk0-f68.google.com [209.85.213.68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C23F87F5E for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 20:32:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk0-f68.google.com with SMTP id h69so18496745vke.7 for ; Mon, 05 Feb 2018 12:32:42 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=VB26qEdSHDJgQrriV742m2rhdF993aLWNe87JjRDcZ8=; b=Rt3rCyn7wJe8Y65aOYuQp/o2iZSjhSQ47g/IwpNMVpDsblSgIn6UjoxLFXbpWdQKXe JaPBL5GGGf2WPtkFGLoPl3a3AZMydeNhxcbb1RCbThoyeIO+Io6Sid2QGmP5IMyKRy9x yqvirUU4g+oKztjWOEghkDkXr9fhVNbVfZjs1ejt1w5SIEyRPbTyyMsQn1cosc6QU9W8 J3N1rhMr1ckKmfvhm20nMJrMLr0uPd10LzFPhw+QpZmL8okLWkjECL7SGZEoA5hTMnXi 9zA9Rkq5tThbZOnF/bJjKZFFfgT18ljaoyoLaXJMHcURWs78P663ApmMXIU/eKgrtMiW 3DZA== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPCGzG5htsV/l66OawhLtH9IyFCVl+lSg8eM4FnOc9x738tiqK4S sMi/tYqvQS/6SX3Gjm9Fw6qYac1GAdp4QJCS2iWI6Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x227TIV88Uw1mdkGbw1PPBL1hzteYYniiPNi854uuKvHOEe/9YCHDRhPM0RyXVTm3W7upYFhYqlLjZ5cyPai+/0Y= X-Received: by 10.31.110.205 with SMTP id j196mr43248472vkc.101.1517857006233; Mon, 05 Feb 2018 10:56:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3BAACBF6-C4E0-44AA-AD5F-277D3C8267C0@kreme.com> In-Reply-To: <3BAACBF6-C4E0-44AA-AD5F-277D3C8267C0@kreme.com> From: CeDeROM Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 18:56:34 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Automount USB drive when connected To: Cerebus Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 20:32:42 -0000 man autofs and automount :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 5 21:24:14 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D1EEF10C5 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 21:24:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 673858A172 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 21:24:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C95623E4 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:24:13 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wqz6C2L-HGX1 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:24:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "imap.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA HLL ISSUER 01" (not verified)) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:24:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (verified OK)) by inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8F888A070 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:18:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9611623E4 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:18:58 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZjQbRJX9YskF for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:18:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C962862393 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:18:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:18:56 -0500 Message-ID: <0e8b6603883129b6406e0eb0ee296ec9.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:18:56 -0500 Subject: FreeBSD jails, dns and ping From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@harte-lyne.ca Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 21:24:15 -0000 Can anyone explain what is causing this particular inconsistency? Unbound can resolve the address but ping cannot? 
[root@hll107 ~]# drill pkg.freebsd.org
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, rcode: NOERROR, id: 64648
;; flags: qr rd ra ; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 3
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;; pkg.freebsd.org.     IN      A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
pkg.freebsd.org.        300     IN      CNAME   pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org.
pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org. 150     IN      A       96.47.72.71

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
geo.freebsd.org.        2743    IN      NS      gns1.freebsd.org.
geo.freebsd.org.        2743    IN      NS      gns2.freebsd.org.
geo.freebsd.org.        2743    IN      NS      gns0.freebsd.org.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
gns2.freebsd.org.       2743    IN      A       213.138.116.75
gns0.freebsd.org.       2743    IN      A       8.8.178.30
gns1.freebsd.org.       2743    IN      A       96.47.72.24

;; Query time: 133 msec
;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1
;; WHEN: Mon Feb  5 16:13:57 2018
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 179

[root@hll107 ~]# ping pkg.freebsd.org.
ping: cannot resolve pkg.freebsd.org.: Host name lookup failure

[root@hll107 ~]# ping 96.47.72.71
PING 96.47.72.71 (96.47.72.71): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 96.47.72.71: icmp_seq=0 ttl=50 time=23.463 ms
-- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 5 21:38:48 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC826EF216D for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 21:38:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E9768AE25 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 21:38:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512D9623A4 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:38:47 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 389M1D-p1KbR for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:38:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "imap.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA HLL ISSUER 01" (not verified)) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:38:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (verified OK)) by inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A6B58A2DF; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:38:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43092623A4; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:38:45 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J8HmdBaqDwjG; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:38:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-it0-f47.google.com (mail-it0-f47.google.com [209.85.214.47]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:38:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-it0-f47.google.com with SMTP id e1so15505ita.0; Mon, 05 Feb 2018 13:38:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=j/Bw6tZl60thAIC7LeDQybjNc093cgL6eC6tdXm9yHE=; b=mpP0wuodrVECNWwmUH9KjWqsDWmdG2yuxHn5qoIuay5D1KWElgCS8PMp+BYp72mYUB bF/JuYk1bCP4IttUewqnAmqYzwI5a85jgq7W31rIVcDupE8MDM+ki7M87H2iABsbnzWX UleAqVtFTX46VrvrELsGmQDrGupyelCk6TznRGUWRMwDBaIED2OOJJ59dlumBOvHxWah wDf/XVF1p+jzUyaKfSv/M6hYeFwBfhHGgd8tD2Phvt0I4SeQscc5Cu9maHDnzdF0T6qN XFGOOYkbXN8Hk27fBpWqe3B6y46v/z2i3QK2c+PWBCVUZDHcw5IkLkkcTVIDowy/UelV W5Jg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=j/Bw6tZl60thAIC7LeDQybjNc093cgL6eC6tdXm9yHE=; b=adBsNiELlRltatKy2d5ehQzWWocuqCklqpaMUhucyWv5CTBmXO0SlCsIQ6Nc5GEOAV A2u0FyogUK9HNs7k9paCokV7wPq96EYZbLwXKhg8boCMzT8gI8aYE7MtoLngPGLv+V53 m65Cmp3sWLgBcBbVBOtRoz+sscDKfKxvz3fZfqvazEL4eedjJNd/uYGWS662W01rSVzN 0zI6b/sftQGVTBQ095UinTZCOClb7At7FfDqr66OwM25AcUs1NZZ47NOHCoLDGoEAmU5 QXZf9HHw/G3/ir8jJKOmSnP0ZFPWNcs8ijWsKb+oLPlPOaAAej08A0z/aC6XFyxIBjKg Qx7w== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPAX7+3kYiBryyiKWtNlDXiKLMNfYF6Lvs4ZJW7n450ZrPtl1au7 jcWUTf/KZUzbNTHKNiSdcDIVwPmV9vpfPX1tZ0A= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x2275J3TwvxXBtWUAjjvZliCHKqI9bBmxOsJ7xmdFy2IPr7sZH2rk91uWRybO8whzcrvmy690ZfGAKy6T9EfF6Bk= X-Received: by 10.36.138.134 with SMTP id v128mr202551itd.153.1517866718083; Mon, 05 Feb 2018 13:38:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.2.140.9 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 13:38:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <0e8b6603883129b6406e0eb0ee296ec9.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> References: <0e8b6603883129b6406e0eb0ee296ec9.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> From: Adam Vande More Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 15:38:37 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD jails, dns and ping To: "James B. Byrne" Cc: freebsd-questions@harte-lyne.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 21:38:48 -0000 On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 3:18 PM, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > Can anyone explain what is causing this particular inconsistency? > Unbound can resolve the address but ping cannot? > What is inconsistent about that? Just because something has a valid DNS entry doesn't imply it will respond to ping. Also pkg uses SRV records, it's been discussed here before. -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 5 21:50:48 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA2C7EF2F64 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 21:50:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weldon@excelsusphoto.com) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 859FD8B538 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 21:50:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weldon@excelsusphoto.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ACA5623EF for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:50:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jTIjsDjzi0AW for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:50:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "imap.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA HLL ISSUER 01" (not verified)) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:50:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (verified OK)) by inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C88B8A335; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:50:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48848623EF; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:50:42 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NjKZ1dobitd2; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:50:38 -0500 (EST) X-Greylist: delayed 522 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca; Mon, 05 Feb 2018 16:50:37 EST Received: from veyron.excelsus.com (emmett.excelsus.com [74.93.113.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:50:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by veyron.excelsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 375322143; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 15:41:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from veyron.excelsus.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.excelsus.com [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 41277-05; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 15:41:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (74-93-113-253-Nashville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [74.93.113.253]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: weldon@excelsusphoto.com) by veyron.excelsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8971B2140; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 15:41:50 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) Subject: Re: FreeBSD jails, dns and ping From: Weldon Godfrey X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: <0e8b6603883129b6406e0eb0ee296ec9.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 15:41:49 -0600 Cc: freebsd-questions@harte-lyne.ca Message-Id: <1375BACA-6553-4D46-BFC3-68385D68F7E1@excelsusphoto.com> References: <0e8b6603883129b6406e0eb0ee296ec9.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 21:50:48 -0000 > On Feb 5, 2018, at 3:18 PM, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions = wrote: >=20 > Can anyone explain what is causing this particular inconsistency?=20 > Unbound can resolve the address but ping cannot? >=20 > 
> [root@hll107 ~]# drill pkg.freebsd.org
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, rcode: NOERROR, id: 64648
> ;; flags: qr rd ra ; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 3
> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> ;; pkg.freebsd.org.     IN      A
>=20
> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
> pkg.freebsd.org.        300     IN      CNAME   =
pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org.
> pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org. 150     IN      A       96.47.72.71
>=20
> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> geo.freebsd.org.        2743    IN      NS      gns1.freebsd.org.
> geo.freebsd.org.        2743    IN      NS      gns2.freebsd.org.
> geo.freebsd.org.        2743    IN      NS      gns0.freebsd.org.
>=20
> ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
> gns2.freebsd.org.       2743    IN      A       213.138.116.75
> gns0.freebsd.org.       2743    IN      A       8.8.178.30
> gns1.freebsd.org.       2743    IN      A       96.47.72.24
>=20


=46rom what I can tell, the authoritative server, such as =
ns2.isc-sns.com.  is giving NS records for the A record of those three =
gns*.freebsd.org .   servers.  ALL three are giving =
me query refuses.

So the issue I believe is, at least, ns2.isc-sns.com. is giving the A =
record for the CNAME entry and NS records of the gns* servers.  The TTL =
of the A record is only 300 seconds, but the NS records are closer to =
2800 seconds.  When the A record expires, your DNS client will trust the =
DNS records handed over at the end and use those to requery and it cant =
because the three servers are giving no answer

Although I would think more than just you would see this, I haven't seen =
it expire out badly on my side yet.


example of what I am seeing

Authoritative answers can be found from:
freebsd.org     nameserver =3D ns2.isc-sns.com.
freebsd.org     nameserver =3D ns3.isc-sns.info.
freebsd.org     nameserver =3D ns1.isc-sns.net.
> server ns2.isc-sns.com.
Default server: ns2.isc-sns.com.
Address: 63.243.194.1#53
> pkg.freebsd.org.
Server:         ns2.isc-sns.com.
Address:        63.243.194.1#53

pkg.freebsd.org canonical name =3D pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org.
> pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org.
Server:         ns2.isc-sns.com.
Address:        63.243.194.1#53

Non-authoritative answer:
*** Can't find pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org.: No answer

Authoritative answers can be found from:
geo.freebsd.org nameserver =3D gns2.freebsd.org.
geo.freebsd.org nameserver =3D gns0.freebsd.org.
geo.freebsd.org nameserver =3D gns1.freebsd.org.
gns0.freebsd.org        internet address =3D 8.8.178.30
gns1.freebsd.org        internet address =3D 96.47.72.24
gns2.freebsd.org        internet address =3D 213.138.116.75
> server gns2.freebsd.org.
Default server: gns2.freebsd.org.
Address: 213.138.116.75#53
> pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org.
Server:         gns2.freebsd.org.
Address:        213.138.116.75#53

*** Can't find pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org.: No answer


From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Mon Feb  5 21:56:22 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007B8EF3566
 for ;
 Mon,  5 Feb 2018 21:56:22 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca)
Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca
 [216.185.71.28])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca",
 Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F8898B9A1
 for ; Mon,  5 Feb 2018 21:56:21 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D51AE62318
 for ; Mon,  5 Feb 2018 16:56:20 -0500 (EST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca
Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1])
 by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new,
 port 10024)
 with ESMTP id HzLerG9A6HnV for ;
 Mon,  5 Feb 2018 16:56:19 -0500 (EST)
Received: from inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca
 [216.185.71.27])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "imap.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca",
 Issuer "CA HLL ISSUER 01" (not verified))
 by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS
 for ; Mon,  5 Feb 2018 16:56:19 -0500 (EST)
Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca
 [216.185.71.28])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca",
 Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (verified OK))
 by inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC7678A409
 for ; Mon,  5 Feb 2018 16:56:18 -0500 (EST)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92454623A4
 for ; Mon,  5 Feb 2018 16:56:18 -0500 (EST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca
Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1])
 by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new,
 port 10024)
 with ESMTP id hzS9WrhbXQct; Mon,  5 Feb 2018 16:56:15 -0500 (EST)
Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca
 [216.185.71.24])
 (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 14CC862318;
 Mon,  5 Feb 2018 16:56:14 -0500 (EST)
Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll)
 by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:56:14 -0500
Message-ID: 
In-Reply-To: 
References: <0e8b6603883129b6406e0eb0ee296ec9.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca>
 
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:56:14 -0500
Subject: Re: FreeBSD jails, dns and ping
From: "James B. Byrne" 
To: "Adam Vande More" 
Cc: freebsd-questions@harte-lyne.ca
Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca
User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
Importance: Normal
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 21:56:22 -0000


On Mon, February 5, 2018 16:38, Adam Vande More wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 3:18 PM, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions <
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote:
>
>> Can anyone explain what is causing this particular inconsistency?
>> Unbound can resolve the address but ping cannot?
>>
>
> What is inconsistent about that? Just because something has a valid
> DNS entry doesn't imply it will respond to ping.

What is inconsistent is that ping will not resolve the address but
drill will. The only nameserver defined in /etc/resolv.conf is
127.0.0.1.  We never get to the point of determining if the target
replies to the ping.

>
> Also pkg uses SRV records, it's been discussed here before.
>

pkg.freebsd.org happens to be the domain that I used to test whether
or not ping could resolve.  I get the same results irrespective of the
domain used.


-- 
***          e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel          ***
        Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail
 Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail

James B. Byrne                mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca
Harte & Lyne Limited          http://www.harte-lyne.ca
9 Brockley Drive              vox: +1 905 561 1241
Hamilton, Ontario             fax: +1 905 561 0757
Canada  L8E 3C3


From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Mon Feb  5 23:07:32 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7114ED290F
 for ;
 Mon,  5 Feb 2018 23:07:32 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com)
Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca
 [216.185.71.28])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca",
 Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51B2D8E7B7
 for ; Mon,  5 Feb 2018 23:07:32 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 561B860263
 for ; Mon,  5 Feb 2018 18:07:31 -0500 (EST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca
Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1])
 by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new,
 port 10024)
 with ESMTP id r223Fy59Nhd0 for ;
 Mon,  5 Feb 2018 18:07:28 -0500 (EST)
Received: from inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca
 [216.185.71.27])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "imap.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca",
 Issuer "CA HLL ISSUER 01" (not verified))
 by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS
 for ; Mon,  5 Feb 2018 18:07:28 -0500 (EST)
Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca
 [216.185.71.28])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca",
 Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (verified OK))
 by inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11B9A8A48D;
 Mon,  5 Feb 2018 18:07:27 -0500 (EST)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF08760263;
 Mon,  5 Feb 2018 18:07:26 -0500 (EST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca
Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1])
 by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new,
 port 10024)
 with ESMTP id g3qXQlCJYCg4; Mon,  5 Feb 2018 18:07:18 -0500 (EST)
Received: from mail-io0-f173.google.com (mail-io0-f173.google.com
 [209.85.223.173])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits))
 (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com",
 Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK))
 by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS;
 Mon,  5 Feb 2018 18:07:18 -0500 (EST)
Received: by mail-io0-f173.google.com with SMTP id f4so466891ioh.8;
 Mon, 05 Feb 2018 15:07:18 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025;
 h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to
 :cc; bh=beEW6hC5i5xgewAV8s8OcPaVCNdbxcsw2Zlp2Sa+Y3o=;
 b=AvQmtk3hiWLHNViXJY9fwmFJj1fVdEzwCqUagkvFrKri+y6r/331Kh+h/cWWwRCn2J
 sdtweMKF/3Kh+Grm/bYD+ZGN3cUfKKBOcIKYCRd2xofkl+/8sO+X92TB01Kf+Vfw5Bjh
 fZP/Vq3xzltVUgMhEOeUgQrH1krkU5n7w/mO695smfiWEL3eKUJZa9l1Wse6bwMtPQ+3
 ZYZrs94WV/HwKNwf7U6FFnHdDs7VWWVGGQUx5elEPSJroMxulm0GDCZChZV5RvIU/6hi
 ei/gXxuJA5vzJ6R42WfgX5fW2BzrbqzEjocWmRvhARckYiYEcgGtX3dx0fIaAUuKgB5+
 oihg==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
 d=1e100.net; s=20161025;
 h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date
 :message-id:subject:to:cc;
 bh=beEW6hC5i5xgewAV8s8OcPaVCNdbxcsw2Zlp2Sa+Y3o=;
 b=RLKXXsWj1fWlI+/uR4pZbhtCoC6tyDMrDS5AiHU00aLgPuhHK5vyCqNtAaMRyNNJzv
 rSbYcEvXMbdTZFktbEu9Ic0TvQ4Uk5WzI9fbqi1s4T01wvzcN4UHPSgJdV5e5ZTkrVdc
 +EYVyLCi0rDgqW7TEuXOW5CvFI2QnVDXFQlyILV+UrwwY8/5/uvARcKdBUQ/j8xgjTbR
 hBn429KF189zE2mTiEd2Z1Z6qMAw5hyS04MYCzkV/SlwYP44zVLIoGlfgiPSyCxReXb2
 FsxP+3w8QAlEo8+ddFcsVrVbU6eE/kQdUwEGPBufb6O5r+moWNaksIRoWkMhHi079bzN
 rbUA==
X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPAGVkfW23JiGXWDLFapbMC6PvmiqV4BRCC8hjqKd74csmASoTr6
 P3osrzOu/pDTWl5LKL952y9LSzRdoz33lFA9rk0=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x226Nq9FvDIhO/l4JHTjbiHpi1/OOiwrzaRT05s5mbXTdfK+pftCKYwCCIjyQabSYEjIT0is/XROgcrAvRb7+LDU=
X-Received: by 10.107.93.13 with SMTP id r13mr630002iob.32.1517872037822; Mon,
 05 Feb 2018 15:07:17 -0800 (PST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.2.140.9 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 15:07:17 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: 
References: <0e8b6603883129b6406e0eb0ee296ec9.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca>
 
 
From: Adam Vande More 
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 17:07:17 -0600
Message-ID: 
Subject: Re: FreeBSD jails, dns and ping
To: "James B. Byrne" 
Cc: freebsd-questions@harte-lyne.ca
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 23:07:33 -0000

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 3:56 PM, James B. Byrne 
wrote:

>
> On Mon, February 5, 2018 16:38, Adam Vande More wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 3:18 PM, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions <
> > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Can anyone explain what is causing this particular inconsistency?
> >> Unbound can resolve the address but ping cannot?
> >>
> >
> > What is inconsistent about that? Just because something has a valid
> > DNS entry doesn't imply it will respond to ping.
>
> What is inconsistent is that ping will not resolve the address but
> drill will. The only nameserver defined in /etc/resolv.conf is
> 127.0.0.1.  We never get to the point of determining if the target
> replies to the ping.
>
> >
> > Also pkg uses SRV records, it's been discussed here before.
> >
>
> pkg.freebsd.org happens to be the domain that I used to test whether
> or not ping could resolve.  I get the same results irrespective of the
> domain used.
>

You have included an trailing . in the ping command.

-- 
Adam

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Mon Feb  5 23:56:14 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91EE4ED95E4
 for ;
 Mon,  5 Feb 2018 23:56:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se)
Received: from ns1.nethead.se (ns1.nethead.se [5.150.237.139])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "ns1.nethead.se", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EC356888A
 for ; Mon,  5 Feb 2018 23:56:13 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from peo@nethead.se)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Nethead AB
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nethead.se;
 s=NETHEADSE; t=1517874413;
 bh=4XtZUrfk47ZxcTzIdz/Fj0D51Z/8r/DvliH5fJEHJNg=;
 h=To:From:Subject:Date;
 b=l0W0YszghJu3hHLFih6yTkqYaodmYRrlVqr31aYY595wrUsgZpqKnSDkoNoc4kXyV
 nxUjfLEp7AAbmv06s2Dht5DENv1jUue2HjgqQiexwyssWSw3odwRCZ0Q1qg2Bzl1V6
 cN0abzuPE1jGIIn7pEcaMEhRSA+iug0rI+Z5Yct4=
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
From: Per olof Ljungmark 
Subject: Anyone knows how to control backlight on a Thinkpad T520 ?
Message-ID: <05cd30aa-6064-b5ab-e56e-424c4a9d803c@nethead.se>
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 00:46:47 +0100
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
 Thunderbird/52.6.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Language: en-US
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 23:56:14 -0000

It worked with the Fn+ on the former TP's I had but not this 
one. It's getting a little old but I love the keyboard and the Nvidia 
graphics.

FreeBSD 11.1-STABLE

Thanks!


From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Tue Feb  6 01:18:37 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1401EE0370
 for ;
 Tue,  6 Feb 2018 01:18:37 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org)
Received: from mail.monochrome.org (host-209-190-254-14.client.atlantech.net
 [209.190.254.14])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "mail", Issuer "mail" (not verified))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 833416BD6E
 for ; Tue,  6 Feb 2018 01:18:34 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org)
Received: from tripel.monochrome.org (tripel.monochrome.org [192.168.1.11])
 by mail.monochrome.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w1616YLB010515;
 Mon, 5 Feb 2018 20:06:35 -0500 (EST)
 (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 20:06:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Chris Hill 
To: Polytropon 
cc: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Response to Meltdown and Spectre
In-Reply-To: <20180205143720.d4d98011.freebsd@edvax.de>
Message-ID: 
References: 
 <23154.11945.856955.523027@jerusalem.litteratus.org>
 <5A726B60.7040606@gmail.com> <92120E50-19A7-4A44-90DF-505243D77259@kreme.com>
 
 
 <044e62f7-69ca-71fe-34a8-5c5cafc06f08@yahoo.com>
 
 <0520dd84-c00c-fbf2-da1c-f6ff4c63739d@yahoo.com>
 <20180203224612.GA10517@milliways.localdomain>
 <51178.108.68.160.114.1517699531.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu>
 
 <53029.108.68.160.114.1517707316.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu>
 <20180205143720.d4d98011.freebsd@edvax.de>
User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2018 01:18:37 -0000

On Mon, 5 Feb 2018, Polytropon wrote:

> ...On the other hand, I know many businesses where rebooting servers 
> is quite common ("Windows"-based installations, of course), which if 
> often due to software problems, wrongly configured hardware, broken 
> hardware, or missing technical skills of the "professional 
> consultants" and "solution experts"...

Off topic here, for a change. At the place where I worked during the 
year 2000, a sysadmin told me it was standard that they would reboot the 
servers (Windows monoculture, even back then) every Friday after close 
of business. When I asked him why, he said it was "best practice." And 
if anything went wrong, they had the weekend to fix it :^\

> ...Working in IT is not fun anymore... ;-)

I'm technically under the IT group at work, but I thank bloody bog that 
my job is not actually IT.


-- 
Chris Hill               chris@monochrome.org
**                     [ Busy Expunging  ]

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Tue Feb  6 05:10:24 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5DEEF47BE
 for ;
 Tue,  6 Feb 2018 05:10:24 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com)
Received: from mail-io0-x229.google.com (mail-io0-x229.google.com
 [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::229])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits))
 (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com",
 Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2072A75A2D
 for ; Tue,  6 Feb 2018 05:10:24 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com)
Received: by mail-io0-x229.google.com with SMTP id p188so1116243ioe.12
 for ; Mon, 05 Feb 2018 21:10:24 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025;
 h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to
 :cc; bh=MeaP2Rs0zcWSzCc+Vn/qKi7B1McP/sZD8NWaESV2HfA=;
 b=i9ueOS69KkvXqyJpiAiJeyQLKX+fLS6Yk4PI8lv4ztACaOCZ4XIKJaAT17bBDJaZ8R
 qx0S1TR1YbY/511EbCfwZQJ1uj6N/1xVxgJYe0kxrknUHzLAOLQaLzJETKBQjTlnmLDJ
 dE1JL2exWXNZS5U6djYAyqHplp/zrNUPabe9u7Dq4plevDFz3UMzph28Q+LAqM6EzGHb
 Gu42R/1Fh+R3VIG+n3Ph79qQAxUvJQUSULAVYDlOR1gf5lvJgDJY4O+lcTHLn3VV2zf/
 4S1NbBMakfP3C1PSNH0LReUmQ7ujpR04JmBNQEhJRRA/73lffsHfCg4qSgTPH12z5hdn
 Ft/Q==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
 d=1e100.net; s=20161025;
 h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date
 :message-id:subject:to:cc;
 bh=MeaP2Rs0zcWSzCc+Vn/qKi7B1McP/sZD8NWaESV2HfA=;
 b=RBrt3Ts9kIvd2M+mD22t930I/Ci0dmz1IYJDIiM8b0KuFGYVjS1HyLxxU9ioN9p+Ha
 20z7hkJfYFsINVES/md0oDoJ+/UxnCFrip9ZNsTB4dAaVJUwB8wkAcfVGCewOfbXDYDS
 OJodtjHuR9keaN+QYVTgRYIznvIf9V0gwApICiuba0353L78RpbVOKbpm8y6geg6yKha
 /HDFtt4wujNZGbMxkLCjS292OQpQmCfDPb0pjqgDbpu00HV1I+0Wj2KgLXDOb/psRd2g
 3eKWbndrwNJUD57zQFYMd5i3tu3YuPCO4XqVGpubm4VJWP9aIuBa8Z/JOI0DYPwLlZk8
 ww0A==
X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPAllkhW8eN6Z5r9B/CeSu80RWXhUfFJym8t1bV/zKD0AFjDDRBf
 GYtWC9suY4+Zzb1GJeY4i+uOiBd70LutalMFH9qNUA==
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x227DRMGwqPQDZK+VJpOMT9hcOW4XcXYW5L6X/7hlHK14utfx06eoudn0G32Nz+oZmbPePMyPHYuDGWB8CEewDsI=
X-Received: by 10.107.128.154 with SMTP id k26mr1530030ioi.291.1517893823542; 
 Mon, 05 Feb 2018 21:10:23 -0800 (PST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.107.10.97 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 21:10:23 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: 
References: <3BAACBF6-C4E0-44AA-AD5F-277D3C8267C0@kreme.com>
 
From: blubee blubeeme 
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 13:10:23 +0800
Message-ID: 
Subject: Re: Automount USB drive when connected
To: CeDeROM 
Cc: Cerebus , FreeBSD 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2018 05:10:24 -0000

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:56 AM, CeDeROM  wrote:

> man autofs and automount :-)
> --
> CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info
> _______________________________________________
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-
> unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>
I'd say give this a shot: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/63534/

Works very well.

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Tue Feb  6 08:04:58 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A448AEE0930
 for ;
 Tue,  6 Feb 2018 08:04:58 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no)
Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no
 [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no",
 Issuer "Fagskolen i Gj??vik" (not verified))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A1D77C071
 for ; Tue,  6 Feb 2018 08:04:57 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no)
Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w1684lG1094904
 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO)
 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2018 09:04:47 +0100 (CET)
 (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no)
Received: from localhost (trond@localhost)
 by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id w1684l2K094901
 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2018 09:04:47 +0100 (CET)
 (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no)
X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 09:04:47 +0100 (CET)
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= 
Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no
To: FreeBSD questions 
Subject: Re: Swap on SSD
In-Reply-To: <23160.43027.295357.808217@jerusalem.litteratus.org>
Message-ID: 
References: <26877DEB-034F-422B-918F-2A0D1C381537@kreme.com>
 
 <23160.43027.295357.808217@jerusalem.litteratus.org>
User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (BSF 202 2017-01-01)
Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet
OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED
 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mail.fig.ol.no
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2018 08:04:58 -0000

On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 13:53-0500, Robert Huff wrote:

> last pid: 57956;  load averages:  2.02,  2.01,  1.95   up 57+19:09:04  13:49:29
> 132 processes: 3 running, 129 sleeping
> CPU: 38.7% user,  0.4% nice,  7.9% system,  0.0% interrupt, 53.0% idle
> Mem: 2264M Active, 2303M Inact, 1478M Laundry, 1525M Wired, 761M Buf, 115M Free
> Swap: 17G Total, 996M Used, 16G Free, 5% Inuse
> 
> 	So ... is "Swap" an incorrect label, or is actual swapping
> going on?
> 	(And is there a utility which will list the swap area by owning
> process?)

Try hitting the w key while running top. Then hit the o key and type 
in swap. Hit the enter key and the display should now be sorted by the 
most swappy processes. If you read the commit log for top, you'll 
notice the VM subsystem doesn't really track swap usage, so the 
presented values are only an estimate.

-- 
Trond.

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Tue Feb  6 09:39:23 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86434EE82DD
 for ;
 Tue,  6 Feb 2018 09:39:23 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com)
Received: from out1-5.antispamcloud.com (out1-5.antispamcloud.com
 [185.201.16.5])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 121CE7FBE3
 for ; Tue,  6 Feb 2018 09:39:22 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com)
Received: from [153.92.8.106] (helo=srv31.niagahoster.com)
 by mx12.antispamcloud.com with esmtpsa
 (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89)
 (envelope-from )
 id 1eiyFS-0005yP-4z; Tue, 06 Feb 2018 09:05:09 +0100
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed;
 d=sumeritec.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:
 MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender
 :Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:
 Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:
 List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive;
 bh=ajGlXun2vw7HfZ4GNYxUuUacwZp53yrryQR/MFDav8Y=; b=TEEfERHYODkDRXG0YHlcCtO5vA
 U4AE6mxhAheXYi3FQTOVkyETs6fqtZHzhDqU60Wiv9OYZepet6slwiG7PXAGsXsFNS8leG06Jw0r1
 6xDGqKZw4wz8CSjnZWSK7SiuZR8r/j9AvN2w/bowtK6ywqzjtdsojAkJtQfRXOisdsn9JSkGR3hVp
 MiTMnVZuV4mu8DYSaNn6LFttpsopA+f/riv0FUP70R1ptmEi4lvGWDC69q0AStdz+jr4W2ClajnG7
 ciYjo9rgO4UC3m7XOlOhwLaPwV9vCd/BTj6fR/MQnkH1NeHmUlS2xflcdiiE7R7VkfTBc/BW8G00U
 NqyXJiwA==;
Received: from [114.125.118.195] (port=34152 helo=X220.sumeritec.com)
 by srv31.niagahoster.com with esmtpsa
 (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89_1)
 (envelope-from )
 id 1eiyEe-0000mi-6A; Tue, 06 Feb 2018 15:04:12 +0700
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 16:04:09 +0800
From: Erich Dollansky 
To: Robert Huff 
Cc: Frank Leonhardt , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Swap on SSD
Message-ID: <20180206160409.633ab15a.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com>
In-Reply-To: <23160.43027.295357.808217@jerusalem.litteratus.org>
References: <26877DEB-034F-422B-918F-2A0D1C381537@kreme.com>
 
 <23160.43027.295357.808217@jerusalem.litteratus.org>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-AuthUser: freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com
X-Originating-IP: 153.92.8.106
X-AntiSpamCloud-Domain: out.niagahoster.com
X-AntiSpamCloud-Username: niaga
Authentication-Results: antispamcloud.com;
 auth=pass (login) smtp.auth=niaga@out.niagahoster.com
X-AntiSpamCloud-Outgoing-Class: ham
X-AntiSpamCloud-Outgoing-Evidence: Combined (0.02)
X-Recommended-Action: accept
X-Filter-ID: EX5BVjFpneJeBchSMxfU5kegaYytsM47Vvf2eyHrNInj1g3/PwYZaTCzSym8uE9HQZeRo3EKdA4a
 RUtjVnzXq4bnq6t/dW4+e/GIzBuKGYQ3DeOIrayOCUVQDjY6WYh7NvBmnsl29tXahCoEmn5z/4Yc
 tgrvnCT+72Dvka56asTjdG2DeQNHi8imno++Q7JBWmuNA8WTybi1JN85FSnfKSMZ6S3yLR82tVTs
 c5PeRF0Mv/QFVEuEAQ6cHXPQYnNjbyg5b/5enMN0gr7TFQpFuXnuTx4hclXbDLLP7h3yhbm35Ma3
 az/bh+xFmgErgr3pwiPNi3vdOuhwyviFoLAZScJMBdJa2tsOpzGNARP3D244G7njdNZShdG6npo+
 iA9ohQKbbvW2sKLWr0gR92ooUokB1/R4ar1CYVgFKOoJD148kS5veKyBL4UnppPERLxYCysS8iVp
 KpCkKVcU3+6ajh7Mo03ta/XwHR9jeVsyd4SkrsuMWZxrTCBVt/lF9IovvKhXliG78w9pKdlOmjar
 uCGAKIYCs0EeYPq7nqYddPN8XCcdyhgnb+NPMyCMdlhP6J1fhOzjF0b4LXcjJZ5logSVKvIcam9z
 xwWhO2TZcY2edeb3lrS9G2Mff9TAU6WtrfpjsugJNZLi94n1hpVt5uIxwg7VYE6d+dbdwcF2ceCF
 PZ0TA6MuL66k/u6d5hTjERWeKKG4PAQYNyavp7c49EKotECmwJAExvqNN9F6y7O0ZHAKT6A8zU8p
 FXUPpL7kaShXJha6yEVgsruy6S6GaerOOpRTPOqz3zUBQYZp7ROTp7U4BfGmqxX20X65TYDhuXct
 Qw1CgygVz7Xr3UnHr5zRPA8gEmeeAc/z3AcElOuDJgBv5EgwwcS4n+bqZg37y6MnW7jstYvUn5mI
 MQW6t5nckpWaLvahyBjmQxBKOzvj3d3m5irrnFFc13FanxME9id7DAQQKwb+94dXATXuWIjB5goI
 ukurFFGgzTgR9YU=
X-Report-Abuse-To: spam@quarantine1.antispamcloud.com
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2018 09:39:23 -0000

Hi,

On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 13:53:07 -0500
Robert Huff  wrote:

> Frank Leonhardt writes:
> 
> >  FreeBSD doesn't actually swap these days; uses demand paging.  
> 
> 	Possible evidence to the contrary:
> 	On a system running:
> 
> FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT #0 r326723: Sat Dec  9 12:30:04 EST 2017 amd64
> 
> 	top shows:
> 
> last pid: 57956;  load averages:  2.02,  2.01,  1.95   up
> 57+19:09:04  13:49:29 132 processes: 3 running, 129 sleeping
> CPU: 38.7% user,  0.4% nice,  7.9% system,  0.0% interrupt, 53.0% idle
> Mem: 2264M Active, 2303M Inact, 1478M Laundry, 1525M Wired, 761M Buf,
> 115M Free Swap: 17G Total, 996M Used, 16G Free, 5% Inuse
> 
> 	So ... is "Swap" an incorrect label, or is actual swapping
> going on?
> 	(And is there a utility which will list the swap area by
> owning process?)
> 
I have the same when putting to much load on my old machine. It is just
a matter of RAM.

Either you spend the money on RAM or on SSD.

Erich

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Tue Feb  6 14:42:27 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 376B0EDBFD1
 for ;
 Tue,  6 Feb 2018 14:42:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it)
Received: from smtp209.alice.it (smtp209.alice.it [82.57.200.105])
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA7A6C9B9
 for ; Tue,  6 Feb 2018 14:42:26 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from ml@netfence.it)
Received: from soth.ventu (87.18.51.42) by smtp209.alice.it (8.6.060.28)
 id 5A781B4000384114 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org;
 Tue, 6 Feb 2018 15:42:18 +0100
Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18])
 by soth.ventu (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w16EgIcD071454
 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2018 15:42:18 +0100 (CET)
 (envelope-from ml@netfence.it)
X-Authentication-Warning: soth.ventu: Host alamar.local.netfence.it
 [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
From: Andrea Venturoli 
Subject: Mail/fax gateway
Message-ID: <0f3578c5-a822-61f3-8a81-33e4290fe0b3@netfence.it>
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 15:42:13 +0100
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
 Thunderbird/52.6.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Content-Language: en-US
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2018 14:42:27 -0000

Hello.

I'm evaluating adding a mail -> fax and fax -> mail gateway to a mail 
server.
I did this once, but more than 15 years have passed, so I guess I'll 
have to start from scratch.
I searched the mailing lists, but, again, the most recent threads I 
found are from 2005... guess much has changed.


Any suggestion on what software to use? Is HylaFAX a good choice?

What about hardware? Considering I can only a attach a fax/modem to an 
USB port, what would be a good choice?

  bye & Thanks
	av.

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Tue Feb  6 15:16:31 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B080EDF84E
 for ;
 Tue,  6 Feb 2018 15:16:31 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk)
Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196])
 (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C5C66E192
 for ; Tue,  6 Feb 2018 15:16:30 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk)
Received: from roundcube.fjl.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w16FGL1U037090
 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2018 15:16:21 GMT
 (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8;
 format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2018 15:16:21 +0000
From: Frank Leonhardt 
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Response to Meltdown and Spectre
Organization: FJL Microsystems
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
 <23154.11945.856955.523027@jerusalem.litteratus.org>
 <5A726B60.7040606@gmail.com>
 <92120E50-19A7-4A44-90DF-505243D77259@kreme.com>
 
 
 <044e62f7-69ca-71fe-34a8-5c5cafc06f08@yahoo.com>
 
 <0520dd84-c00c-fbf2-da1c-f6ff4c63739d@yahoo.com>
 <20180203224612.GA10517@milliways.localdomain>
 <51178.108.68.160.114.1517699531.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu>
 
 <53029.108.68.160.114.1517707316.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu>
 <20180205143720.d4d98011.freebsd@edvax.de>
 
Message-ID: 
X-Sender: frank2@fjl.co.uk
User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.9.2
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2018 15:16:31 -0000

On 2018-02-06 01:06, Chris Hill wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2018, Polytropon wrote:
> 
>> ...On the other hand, I know many businesses where rebooting servers 
>> is quite common ("Windows"-based installations, of course), which if 
>> often due to software problems, wrongly configured hardware, broken 
>> hardware, or missing technical skills of the "professional 
>> consultants" and "solution experts"...
> 
> Off topic here, for a change. At the place where I worked during the
> year 2000, a sysadmin told me it was standard that they would reboot
> the servers (Windows monoculture, even back then) every Friday after
> close of business. When I asked him why, he said it was "best
> practice." And if anything went wrong, they had the weekend to fix it
> :^\

Are you seriously saying that their Windows servers stayed up ALL WEEK 
without a reboot?



From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Tue Feb  6 16:18:07 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 018F7EE5611
 for ;
 Tue,  6 Feb 2018 16:18:07 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca)
Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca
 [216.185.71.28])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca",
 Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 932CA71AD7
 for ; Tue,  6 Feb 2018 16:18:06 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D6C662304
 for ; Tue,  6 Feb 2018 11:18:05 -0500 (EST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca
Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1])
 by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new,
 port 10024)
 with ESMTP id 6UfTxmGK27xl for ;
 Tue,  6 Feb 2018 11:18:02 -0500 (EST)
Received: from inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca
 [216.185.71.27])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "imap.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca",
 Issuer "CA HLL ISSUER 01" (not verified))
 by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS
 for ; Tue,  6 Feb 2018 11:18:02 -0500 (EST)
Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca
 [216.185.71.28])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca",
 Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (verified OK))
 by inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7CF278A330
 for ; Tue,  6 Feb 2018 11:18:02 -0500 (EST)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53BA662393
 for ; Tue,  6 Feb 2018 11:18:02 -0500 (EST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca
Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1])
 by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new,
 port 10024)
 with ESMTP id PZtzDRI4RLhU for ;
 Tue,  6 Feb 2018 11:17:59 -0500 (EST)
Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca
 [216.185.71.24])
 (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 86CBC62304
 for ; Tue,  6 Feb 2018 11:17:58 -0500 (EST)
Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll)
 by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Tue, 6 Feb 2018 11:17:59 -0500
Message-ID: 
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 11:17:59 -0500
Subject: Re: FreeBSD jails, dns and ping
From: "James B. Byrne" 
To: freebsd-questions@harte-lyne.ca
Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca
User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
Importance: Normal
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2018 16:18:07 -0000


On Mon, February 5, 2018 18:07, Adam Vande More wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 3:56 PM, James B. Byrne 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mon, February 5, 2018 16:38, Adam Vande More wrote:
>> > On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 3:18 PM, James B. Byrne via
>> freebsd-questions <
>> > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Can anyone explain what is causing this particular inconsistency?
>> >> Unbound can resolve the address but ping cannot?
>> >>
>> >
>> > What is inconsistent about that? Just because something has a
>> valid DNS entry doesn't imply it will respond to ping.
>>
>> What is inconsistent is that ping will not resolve the address but
>> drill will. The only nameserver defined in /etc/resolv.conf is
>> 127.0.0.1.  We never get to the point of determining if the target
>> replies to the ping.
>>
>> >
>> > Also pkg uses SRV records, it's been discussed here before.
>> >
>>
>> pkg.freebsd.org happens to be the domain that I used to test whether
>> or not ping could resolve.  I get the same results irrespective of
>> the domain used.
>>
>
> You have included an trailing . in the ping command.
>

The presence or absence of the trailing dot does not change the
behaviour.  And if it did then it would be a bug since . is the root
DNS entry. It is simply a programming convention to ignore its absence
since it must be present in all fully qualified domain names and,
outside of zone files, is effectively a constant value.

[root@hll107 ~]# ping sendmail.com
ping: cannot resolve sendmail.com: Host name lookup failure

[root@hll107 ~]# drill sendmail.com

;; ANSWER SECTION:
sendmail.com.   3235    IN      A       192.230.74.135
sendmail.com.   3235    IN      A       192.230.66.135

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
sendmail.com.   109408  IN      NS      pdns99.ultradns.biz.
sendmail.com.   109408  IN      NS      pdns99.ultradns.org.
sendmail.com.   109408  IN      NS      ns1.proofpoint.com.
sendmail.com.   109408  IN      NS      pdns99.ultradns.net.
sendmail.com.   109408  IN      NS      ns3.proofpoint.com.
sendmail.com.   109408  IN      NS      pdns99.ultradns.com.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns1.proofpoint.com.     103180  IN      A       208.84.67.208
ns1.proofpoint.com.     103180  IN      AAAA    2620:100:9000:1::d0
ns3.proofpoint.com.     103180  IN      A       208.84.66.208
ns3.proofpoint.com.     103180  IN      AAAA    2620:100:9004:1::d0
pdns99.ultradns.com.    103180  IN      A       156.154.64.99
pdns99.ultradns.com.    103180  IN      AAAA    2001:502:f3ff::87

;; Query time: 0 msec
;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1
;; WHEN: Tue Feb  6 10:09:44 2018
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 370

[root@hll107 ~]#


QED

[root@inet19 ~]# ping sendmail.com
PING sendmail.com (192.230.66.135): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 192.230.66.135: icmp_seq=0 ttl=53 time=51.918 ms

[root@inet19 ~]# ping sendmail.com.
PING sendmail.com (192.230.66.135): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 192.230.66.135: icmp_seq=0 ttl=53 time=51.988 ms

The problem is with the jail setup.  Specifically, with
/etc/resolv.conf.  I created another jail on the same host and it did
not exhibit this problem.  I then destroyed hll107 and recreated it. 
I ran service local_unbound onestart from hll107's console which built
the default setup configuration. I then tried to ping an outside
address.  It worked..

The next step I took revealed the source of the problem but not its
cause.  We host our own delegated DNS. When I configured
/etc/resolv.conf on hll107 to this:

search hamilton.harte-lyne.ca harte-lyne.ca
nameserver 127.0.0.1

The problem returned.

If instead I configured hll107:/etc/resolv.conf to this:

search hamilton.harte-lyne.ca harte-lyne.ca
nameserver 127.0.107.1

Then ping worked on hll107.  The ip_addr 127.0.107.1 is configured on
the host system as lo2:

# Cloned i/f and assigned ipv4 addr for jails
cloned_interfaces="lo1 lo2 lo3"   # For shared jail configuration
ipv4_addrs_lo1="127.0.100.1/32"
ipv4_addrs_lo2="127.0.107.1/32"
ipv4_addrs_lo3="127.0.109.1/32"

And the jail network is configured like this:

export jail_hll107_hostname="hll107.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca"
export jail_hll107_ip="lo2|127.0.107.1,vtnet0|192.168.216.107"

Note that local_unbound worked with both resolv.conf settings.  But
both ping and pkg gave me grief with the first and worked with the
second.

My understanding, admittedly perfunctory, has been that one is
SUPPOSED to use 127.0.0.1 inside a jail wherever the standard loopback
address is required. And that the jail system takes care of remapping
127.0.0.1 to whatever address is assigned to the loopback interface
that the jail is configured to use.

What have I misunderstood?  Had I misconfigured something that is
documented otherwise than what I had done?

-- 
***          e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel          ***
        Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail
 Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail

James B. Byrne                mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca
Harte & Lyne Limited          http://www.harte-lyne.ca
9 Brockley Drive              vox: +1 905 561 1241
Hamilton, Ontario             fax: +1 905 561 0757
Canada  L8E 3C3


From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Tue Feb  6 17:13:55 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5553EEA69C
 for ;
 Tue,  6 Feb 2018 17:13:55 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com)
Received: from cdptpa-cmomta01.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com
 [107.14.166.231])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7CCE1748BC
 for ; Tue,  6 Feb 2018 17:13:54 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com)
Received: from raspberrypi.bildanet.com ([65.186.67.174]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP
 id j6gPerUd7Qyfvj6gTeXIaq; Tue, 06 Feb 2018 17:05:29 +0000
Received: from [192.168.1.143]
 by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84)
 (envelope-from ) id 1ej6gP-0002cX-L3
 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 06 Feb 2018 17:05:25 +0000
Subject: Re: Response to Meltdown and Spectre
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
References: 
 <23154.11945.856955.523027@jerusalem.litteratus.org>
 <5A726B60.7040606@gmail.com> <92120E50-19A7-4A44-90DF-505243D77259@kreme.com>
 
 
 <044e62f7-69ca-71fe-34a8-5c5cafc06f08@yahoo.com>
 
 <0520dd84-c00c-fbf2-da1c-f6ff4c63739d@yahoo.com>
 <20180203224612.GA10517@milliways.localdomain>
 <51178.108.68.160.114.1517699531.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu>
 
 <53029.108.68.160.114.1517707316.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu>
 <20180205143720.d4d98011.freebsd@edvax.de>
 
 
From: Baho Utot 
Message-ID: <4f629e22-658b-93a0-0ed3-d553dcd24430@columbus.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 12:05:20 -0500
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
 Thunderbird/52.6.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Content-Language: en-US
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfOiM6eFNUopXsgV4Y14L5D4ym1oBgj5m2sN1m9RLRKyrplJIi2nMnZYmVDWNSNREIHcrnekbomB16f/wtddQEPF+8UzpPYWnnM57NrvcjcMXDHdFq18P
 b1V67G49WZzWLRV34fEqMBnqmOfaexsBw4hXZAwhJn1Xl7w1QwL9TcvMBttyqSeiBFvCvlAusfuhOofuKiPqcKlfFVZD3H3+aZ0=
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2018 17:13:56 -0000



On 2/6/2018 10:16 AM, Frank Leonhardt wrote:
> On 2018-02-06 01:06, Chris Hill wrote:
>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2018, Polytropon wrote:
>>
>>> ...On the other hand, I know many businesses where rebooting servers 
>>> is quite common ("Windows"-based installations, of course), which if 
>>> often due to software problems, wrongly configured hardware, broken 
>>> hardware, or missing technical skills of the "professional 
>>> consultants" and "solution experts"...
>>
>> Off topic here, for a change. At the place where I worked during the
>> year 2000, a sysadmin told me it was standard that they would reboot
>> the servers (Windows monoculture, even back then) every Friday after
>> close of business. When I asked him why, he said it was "best
>> practice." And if anything went wrong, they had the weekend to fix it
>> :^\
> 
> Are you seriously saying that their Windows servers stayed up ALL WEEK 
> without a reboot?

Yes it happens,  get out of the gutter

> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to 
> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Tue Feb  6 17:25:06 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4449AEEB61E
 for ;
 Tue,  6 Feb 2018 17:25:06 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk)
Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196])
 (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7837750B3
 for ; Tue,  6 Feb 2018 17:25:05 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk)
Received: from roundcube.fjl.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w16HP0Hc062793
 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2018 17:25:01 GMT
 (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8;
 format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2018 17:25:00 +0000
From: Frank Leonhardt 
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: ACL trouble
Organization: FJL Microsystems
In-Reply-To: 
References: <634f440c0ab99f5c49bf592a6e796789@roundcube.fjl.org.uk>
 
Message-ID: <8918ae958f8b4bbd078c7a0fc6ea3505@roundcube.fjl.org.uk>
X-Sender: frank2@fjl.co.uk
User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.9.2
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2018 17:25:06 -0000

On 2018-02-05 18:46, LuKreme wrote:
> On Feb 5, 2018, at 08:16, Frank Leonhardt  
> wrote:
>> The problem with ACLs, as I understand them, is that the system will 
>> search through until it finds an "allow" condition and only return 
>> "deny" if it completely fails. In other words, Group1 OR Group2 = 
>> Allow. I want a condition that says Group1 AND Group2 = Allow.
> 
> That is not my experience with ACLs in general, but I have not used
> them on FreeBSD.
> 
> For example, on my machine I used to have a folder of movies that were
> world readable, but all the R and NC-17 movies isn’t eh folder were
> tagged with an ACL that meant the kids accounts could not read the
> files. They could see the file names because they could read the
> directory, but they could not play the movies.
> 
> Similarly, I had a folder that was not accessible to them, they could
> see the name of the folder, but could not see the contents and because
> those files inherited the ACL of the folder even if they'd guessed at
> the name of a file, they would not have been able to access it.
> 
> My understanding is that ACLs evaluate all the rules, and then fall
> through to the UNIX permission if nothing matches a rule.

What system was this? Windows? I remember OS/2 (now Windows NT) ACLs 
were somewhat different.

POSIX ACLs are as well defined as basic Unix ones, but even more 
mind-bending until it "clicks", and they don't work the way you 
understand. I don't think they've fully clicked with me. At least I hope 
not, because I want to do something clever with them and I can't see 
how. It very specifically DOES NOT evaluate any more rules once it has 
found a match.

Basically, POSIX systems try the ACL user/group after first trying the 
basic Unix ones (the precise order is defined but irrelevant here). The 
first "match" it finds ends the search and grants access. There is no 
"deny access" match; it's only denied once all the tests fail.

Except - consider the situation when the calling process belongs to more 
than one group. Oh joy! The file can also belong to more than one group. 
Quote: "If one of the group IDs of the process matches the owning group 
or any of the named group entries, but neither the owning group entry 
nor any of the matching named group entries contains the requested 
permissions, this determines that access is denied".

You only get to the above if you've failed to get an exact match on user 
or group permissions, and this comes BEFORE the Other permissions are 
considered. So it seems to be saying that you can block access to a 
group by setting the ACL one of the user's groups to "no entry". 
Everyone not in this group falls back on Other permissions.

If I've got this right, it looks like you could block access by creating 
a "poison" group and joining people to it, but at the expense of the 
rest-of-world access being open. Sounds like a bad idea.

I'm trying to get my head around utilising the final stage in the 
process, where the mask is used. It's giving me a headache thinking 
about it.

Any ideas anyone?



From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Tue Feb  6 19:19:50 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2693EF4C48
 for ;
 Tue,  6 Feb 2018 19:19:50 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from srs0=nqik=fa=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info)
Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [71.177.216.148])
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B027B7A2
 for ; Tue,  6 Feb 2018 19:19:50 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from srs0=nqik=fa=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info)
Received: from [10.0.1.251] (mini [10.0.1.251])
 by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3zbYxX165Dz2fjSL;
 Tue,  6 Feb 2018 11:12:32 -0800 (PST)
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset=utf-8
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\))
Subject: Re: Swap on SSD
From: Doug Hardie 
In-Reply-To: 
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 11:12:31 -0800
Cc: FreeBSD questions 
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: 
References: <26877DEB-034F-422B-918F-2A0D1C381537@kreme.com>
 
 <23160.43027.295357.808217@jerusalem.litteratus.org>
 
To: =?utf-8?Q?Trond_Endrest=C3=B8l?= 
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20)
X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at mail
X-Virus-Status: Clean
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2018 19:19:50 -0000


> On 6 February 2018, at 00:04, Trond Endrest=C3=B8l =
 wrote:
>=20
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 13:53-0500, Robert Huff wrote:
>=20
>> last pid: 57956;  load averages:  2.02,  2.01,  1.95   up 57+19:09:04 =
 13:49:29
>> 132 processes: 3 running, 129 sleeping
>> CPU: 38.7% user,  0.4% nice,  7.9% system,  0.0% interrupt, 53.0% =
idle
>> Mem: 2264M Active, 2303M Inact, 1478M Laundry, 1525M Wired, 761M Buf, =
115M Free
>> Swap: 17G Total, 996M Used, 16G Free, 5% Inuse
>>=20
>> 	So ... is "Swap" an incorrect label, or is actual swapping
>> going on?
>> 	(And is there a utility which will list the swap area by owning
>> process?)
>=20
> Try hitting the w key while running top. Then hit the o key and type=20=

> in swap. Hit the enter key and the display should now be sorted by the=20=

> most swappy processes. If you read the commit log for top, you'll=20
> notice the VM subsystem doesn't really track swap usage, so the=20
> presented values are only an estimate.

What system version does that work on?  Running 11.1-RELEASE, I get =
"Command not understood" for both of those.

-- Doug



From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Tue Feb  6 21:36:41 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 776EEF08D2C
 for ;
 Tue,  6 Feb 2018 21:36:41 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from peter@aboutsupport.com)
Received: from mail-wr0-x233.google.com (mail-wr0-x233.google.com
 [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::233])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits))
 (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com",
 Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08D9882D9C
 for ; Tue,  6 Feb 2018 21:36:40 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from peter@aboutsupport.com)
Received: by mail-wr0-x233.google.com with SMTP id a43so3506882wrc.4
 for ; Tue, 06 Feb 2018 13:36:40 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
 d=aboutsupport-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623;
 h=in-reply-to:references:thread-topic:user-agent:mime-version
 :content-transfer-encoding:subject:from:date:to:cc:message-id;
 bh=liDortS2ddFpDnbvf8tGZc5vQjr0JVyi16miBa0TqTo=;
 b=EdSDJ8pOG7znmmfAWzkuyIQsmvg8JAMW+DpNb60NPnE8nXTE0epCle+x1Ch6HwcyPi
 Ap8hHvzkWtedWFnbfzha25oM4XtdNIDvan/1UqGRs2GabifJQZveeCl2n3yfRir/D248
 r+RKi1zfpSdNV4DoAXtmdA6rClRIUAWP8WA7LM6NHgJ/VTz4ZvMs3/xajadh782VDFrL
 grD+q/l5BeLjECrij3lpUGAvJe+mid9KGVq+DWex4DElFU69xtoAOtuTdNEVAnSAe5o6
 M/WQvfrjAtVssq+9sYXeG6GLXNaycZxnAwTUOBauDe/Eli3QAcosYDOvG4fNXN8zMTr4
 qfrA==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
 d=1e100.net; s=20161025;
 h=x-gm-message-state:in-reply-to:references:thread-topic:user-agent
 :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:from:date:to:cc
 :message-id;
 bh=liDortS2ddFpDnbvf8tGZc5vQjr0JVyi16miBa0TqTo=;
 b=QPREeXzu5uO4Ghz2rCeEQJIeLFDzIKiU9mAseFEl7FvOL4F5fHWG/05VDyYEYa1POq
 gTd+lFS23rowd2NQMQBfX+IHRI1NnfVbzx9M6jdj8uEql06UunnxXNdsg4eHfHf9TBm/
 hNUZnxpz7VP8YzP5mXyxR/UBS8HfmEchYU6IW+oNtY0jya6gCEpQbXPqUyU8IzhTBjl6
 p0jSFEpH+1Qs1bAa1zNQEx3WeY6qj7QIsTD5qg542JFW8P8O8cEwv7E//Prn4x1nrAnW
 +cxlexZ5lxHY5c+2EoacDncyHn3VX8Kax7jBp/hyQOIn8v/nY1ociqaQtP0DRTIC4nFo
 ZcoQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPD1/2odOR3nEr9KO4LquR2il1AMLemWufIdhOC2Oe9eSIk2epiL
 G+diErA6ZZzWCsHet6W75bFcXYKrhko=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x22606YpMbk6plonvtmPywXAvr0d6ZPYuQ/eNzAKhIzFf4Qc1GOcOcE9QvdPdWvQn+oTG8fciAQ==
X-Received: by 10.223.182.71 with SMTP id i7mr3426995wre.166.1517952999519;
 Tue, 06 Feb 2018 13:36:39 -0800 (PST)
Received: from [10.190.76.113] ([85.118.81.24])
 by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t141sm531748wmd.34.2018.02.06.13.36.37
 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128);
 Tue, 06 Feb 2018 13:36:38 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <0f3578c5-a822-61f3-8a81-33e4290fe0b3@netfence.it>
References: <0f3578c5-a822-61f3-8a81-33e4290fe0b3@netfence.it>
X-Referenced-Uid: 87446
Thread-Topic: Mail/fax gateway
X-Blue-Identity: !l=99&o=96429&fo=97649&pl=28&po=0&qs=PREFIX&f=HTML&n=Peter%20Zyumbilev&e=peter%40aboutsupport.com&m=!%3AYTM1OTc4NzUtNzI5My00MDQxLWE2MGMtMzQyZjE1NjlkMTA3%3AZnJlZWJzZA%3D%3D%3AODc0NDY%3D%3AANSWERED&p=5&q=SHOW
X-Is-Generated-Message-Id: true
User-Agent: Android
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Local-Message-Id: <6762f8ea-078e-4da6-a554-197598c0f1dc@aboutsupport.com>
Subject: Re: Mail/fax gateway
From: Peter Zyumbilev 
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2018 23:36:36 +0200
To: Andrea Venturoli 
CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Message-ID: <6762f8ea-078e-4da6-a554-197598c0f1dc@aboutsupport.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;
 charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2018 21:36:41 -0000

Hi,

https://www=2Edigium=2Ecom/products/software/fax-for-asterisk


You ma=
y check fax for asterisk=2E However, my suggestion is to outsource=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 to service like eFax=2Ecom=2E=C2=A0 Fax over IP is not reliable=
=2E


Peter

=E2=81=A3Sent from my mobile=E2=80=8B

On Feb 6, 2018, 16:45, =
at 16:45, Andrea Venturoli  wrote:
>Hello=2E
>
>I'm evalu=
ating adding a mail -> fax and fax -> mail gateway to a mail 
>server=2E
>I=
 did this once, but more than 15 years have passed, so I guess I'll 
>have =
to start from scratch=2E
>I searched the mailing lists, but, again, the mos=
t recent threads I 
>found are from 2005=2E=2E=2E guess much has changed=2E=

>
>
>Any suggestion on what software to use? Is HylaFAX a good choice?
>
>=
What about hardware? Considering I can only a attach a fax/modem to an 
>US=
B port, what would be a good choice?
>
>  bye & Thanks
>	av=2E
>___________=
____________________________________
>freebsd-questions@freebsd=2Eorg maili=
ng list
>https://lists=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
>=
To unsubscribe, send any mail to
>"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd=2E=
org"

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Tue Feb  6 22:45:45 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD7DF0EAC3
 for ;
 Tue,  6 Feb 2018 22:45:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com)
Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com
 [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 470E986F89
 for ; Tue,  6 Feb 2018 22:45:45 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com)
Received: (qmail 36355 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2018 22:45:44 -0000
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com;
 h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding;
 s=8e01.5a7a3018.k1802; bh=vQocWCTsIWOmnxxnnsiAtrwe5I7nCta4V1StmkoncMM=;
 b=AL/Wuvx9UvoAz5hm8UQ5DUcQlAYRF/ARFR/FeUy82m4vSiJBjtL+0o+QuQ7WoBVG6n7tDEgPzfFSxWT0tVgs5RLeOix56IJDg029wYVWgshn7VdHaCs5Oru35TTtuIZ99He+XQ/fkZfvHiuj26War17Xs7b4RVzX/55CPIm1pCvafAYBziS/jSkbxD49aDe7UxNlK1wh24mMaeGxPQ/pjk1HK8PZf3hOCi7L9PAYlYg4sLV218prZFJtsxH8xsN7
Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170])
 by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170])
 with ESMTP via TCP6; 06 Feb 2018 22:45:44 -0000
Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501)
 id 0F6C31A5A933; Tue,  6 Feb 2018 17:45:43 -0500 (EST)
Date: 6 Feb 2018 17:45:43 -0500
Message-Id: <20180206224544.0F6C31A5A933@ary.qy>
From: "John Levine" 
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Swap on SSD
In-Reply-To: 
Organization: Taughannock Networks
X-Headerized: yes
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2018 22:45:45 -0000

In article  you write:
>> Try hitting the w key while running top. Then hit the o key and type 
>> in swap. Hit the enter key and the display should now be sorted by the 
>> most swappy processes. If you read the commit log for top, you'll 
>> notice the VM subsystem doesn't really track swap usage, so the 
>> presented values are only an estimate.
>
>What system version does that work on?  Running 11.1-RELEASE, I get "Command not understood" for both of those.

Works fine for me on 11.1, not in 10.4.  The swap info seems to be new in version 11.


From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Wed Feb  7 03:52:14 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8B0ED6B46
 for ;
 Wed,  7 Feb 2018 03:52:14 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com)
Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BAD1D740E3
 for ; Wed,  7 Feb 2018 03:52:13 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com)
X_CMAE_Category: , ,
X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=Hqs0IAbS c=1 sm=1 tr=0
 a=bY+bM9/mKJztUtGSkaJH+w==:117 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10
 a=FfXv-bkKdBQA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=Op4juWPpsa0A:10 a=48faUk6PgeAA:10
 a=50kK9urY7bwA:10 a=ZGCUf9d6nTTvuqi46c0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10
X-CM-Score: 0
X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine
X-Authed-Username: cm9iZXJ0aHVmZkByY24uY29t
Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com
 header.from=roberthuff@rcn.com; sender-id=softfail
Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com
 smtp.mail=roberthuff@rcn.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail
Received-SPF: softfail (smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: transitional domain
 rcn.com does not designate 10.33.66.6 as permitted sender)
Received: from [10.33.66.6] ([10.33.66.6:60806] helo=md09.rcn.cmh.synacor.com)
 by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from )
 (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTP
 id 60/FB-05396-7E77A7A5; Tue, 06 Feb 2018 22:52:07 -0500
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 22:52:06 -0500 (EST)
From: roberthuff@rcn.com
To: Erich Dollansky 
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Message-ID: <1237089443.48900456.1517975526727.JavaMail.root@rcn.com>
Subject: Re: Swap on SSD
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Originating-IP: [209.6.230.48]
X-Mailer: Zimbra 7.2.7_GA_2942 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0
 ([unknown])/7.2.7_GA_2942)
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 03:52:14 -0000

Erich Dollansky writes:

>  > 	So ... is "Swap" an incorrect label, or is actual swapping
>  > going on?
> 
>  I have the same when putting to much load on my old machine. 
>  It is just a matter of RAM.
>  
>  Either you spend the money on RAM or on SSD.

	I'm not complaining, and that machine is maxed out.
	I'm trying to determine whether one of my principal diagnostic tools is mis-labeling information.


     Respectfully,

              Robert Huff


From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Wed Feb  7 04:42:41 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D807FEDADCE
 for ;
 Wed,  7 Feb 2018 04:42:40 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com)
Received: from out2-2.antispamcloud.com (out2-2.antispamcloud.com
 [185.201.17.2])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2983775AB9
 for ; Wed,  7 Feb 2018 04:42:39 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com)
Received: from [153.92.8.106] (helo=srv31.niagahoster.com)
 by mx19.antispamcloud.com with esmtpsa
 (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89)
 (envelope-from ) id 1ejHZ0-0000eB-G8
 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 07 Feb 2018 05:42:32 +0100
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed;
 d=sumeritec.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:
 MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender
 :Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:
 Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:
 List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive;
 bh=dwVD0d8+yVncOyMX3Im3hewV0CU2Y5O7AQXq7cRG9pk=; b=VrwptntXrcJn229ZfWdQ4VZ6as
 GSREr5KYTmxHHpwKZxuuq7/+0BOjLxPOLW8yQcUY8mouU0jf4Rl806Jq5QeVclIDvUXQ9348x8Yee
 4TQO8JiTD1u0LYrTiL7fLAvKAovHLLrNSPjWWq0aWUnROc6XMCb33cnCvJfcl+WkDXSirBVVOXDM0
 iV+m9jIIJ/NpS7XpBnmP06x6gkKpYtZlfi/xtvnhrGaJhpAkxqHeZAKnjbze8oosOEX4XhDB2/MXo
 0F9xoW7hYD6q4yqq+OprQhzwm7EiXjQ0UhoHSOjfKmBPMBDTTm3lshfCGrV2w7v6wBrRv2GCyb+Vi
 dBh0MMyg==;
Received: from [114.125.87.127] (port=43832 helo=X220.sumeritec.com)
 by srv31.niagahoster.com with esmtpsa
 (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89_1)
 (envelope-from )
 id 1ejHYD-0007KQ-5Z; Wed, 07 Feb 2018 11:41:41 +0700
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 12:41:38 +0800
From: Erich Dollansky 
To: roberthuff@rcn.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Swap on SSD
Message-ID: <20180207124138.003c2933.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com>
In-Reply-To: <1237089443.48900456.1517975526727.JavaMail.root@rcn.com>
References: <1237089443.48900456.1517975526727.JavaMail.root@rcn.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-AuthUser: freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com
X-Originating-IP: 153.92.8.106
X-AntiSpamCloud-Domain: out.niagahoster.com
X-AntiSpamCloud-Username: niaga
Authentication-Results: antispamcloud.com;
 auth=pass (login) smtp.auth=niaga@out.niagahoster.com
X-AntiSpamCloud-Outgoing-Class: unsure
X-AntiSpamCloud-Outgoing-Evidence: Combined (0.28)
X-Recommended-Action: accept
X-Filter-ID: EX5BVjFpneJeBchSMxfU5mZoMqHArB0RNZifU7jE4N4Xv9krsgRhBn0ayn6qsUc7lVo9zfgzQ4Wl
 m3+W3UHOX9rPco6cZhqWtwreetY+jpi4Dcwf+CZK8NXgy3In+fX7CUrXepYSudDSPm6n4VJwMgff
 Mg04rRVr2x8M/bymaZuG9yr+z3BUn0chW51P3jWH1QmdZsu6kxo/qWEj6Z1d7WbEBG2scSEjB4Cc
 a3THUkuAeoVST18YIrGvoMJB7wvj1RtWIyKxUSoREjE/7VNQ8fiB2gGa4NbpRZ4pLIy2KmcXRuWz
 sGtazoE/vPfv1xaxiyi1TFE9uh6dOpTA08b6wDAs69FQbooXBmqDtpFld11brrwCZzWKieIk7R94
 5NtYJWc6Hvk2XXh9/cAOBIKwOHz2xktCmqEq1+cTDToG9TPXXZAqrzYNzV3jEETifN/XfJomEqwE
 svuvXyGt8JcfF1EP5ysm/cbFtsaIamM3d2CAAuzz2dRpmmBV1pWxSApcaIfVaCHpEB6cFH6WJxE4
 Zm13Hd15b4S56/jBoRnm34rDzlZ3ERAuXeb8qA/CcA6ycVLH+5CyNnLMD1Kr4cJNWWVeXdTNCpEj
 xLm17/TzS1U9yggVTYjR1DzZ8J1iqxKVXR4IUAv/6TvSosoEz/mxhVbgVWqdJ8jDn+xqI4VPaxSb
 nLD5qZBRjEZvlBPPT1guj5aAcJCEdU4JztekDW+oP2u8efQoJIk/SGpoXgPti7S5Zs/1gZ2i5DnR
 j4bZaWTb647lNwN4qOsSZg+fYhVZG8vTCkBdHncQhLMHQ7E/ia/OgKMhMS4SZSLkLOl+uOCl6eJI
 sHGzilWhr5rd/gS+pP9qwM7RXpJS8RjTdyh2j5DyaK2kgTRldBEt8/Rqo5QfGn6rRSrudpcRqj7j
 CMhuUwCgXDZq4vaMQvB2lw4axvUxL7hrJSk60SF3F6RYOYr2
X-Report-Abuse-To: spam@quarantine1.antispamcloud.com
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 04:42:41 -0000

Hi,

On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 22:52:06 -0500 (EST)
roberthuff@rcn.com wrote:

> Erich Dollansky writes:
> 
> >  > 	So ... is "Swap" an incorrect label, or is actual
> >  > swapping going on?  
> > 
> >  I have the same when putting to much load on my old machine. 
> >  It is just a matter of RAM.
> >  
> >  Either you spend the money on RAM or on SSD.  
> 
> 	I'm not complaining, and that machine is maxed out.
> 	I'm trying to determine whether one of my principal
> diagnostic tools is mis-labeling information.

ok, then everything is as expected.

Erich

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Wed Feb  7 07:06:17 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E42CEE2F91
 for ;
 Wed,  7 Feb 2018 07:06:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@sdf.org)
Received: from mx.sdf.org (mx.sdf.org [205.166.94.20])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "ol.sdf.org", Issuer "ol.sdf.org" (not verified))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDF1879E9F
 for ; Wed,  7 Feb 2018 07:06:16 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from bennett@sdf.org)
Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:bennett@sdf.lonestar.org [205.166.94.15])
 by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id w1775xj4018371
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); 
 Wed, 7 Feb 2018 07:05:59 GMT
Received: (from bennett@localhost)
 by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id w1775ww7029499;
 Wed, 7 Feb 2018 01:05:58 -0600 (CST)
From: Scott Bennett 
Message-Id: <201802070705.w1775ww7029499@sdf.org>
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 01:05:58 -0600
To: dch@skunkwerks.at
Subject: Re: ZFS error message questions
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
References: <201801100811.w0A8B62K027111@sdf.org>
 <1517435952.2407347.1255099432.2DE20786@webmail.messagingengine.com>
In-Reply-To: <1517435952.2407347.1255099432.2DE20786@webmail.messagingengine.com>
User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.5 6/20/10
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 07:06:17 -0000

Dave Cottlehuber  wrote:

     Please pardon my delay in replying.  I wanted to digest an out-of-date
thread referenced in the zfs(8) man page, your message, and your references
at the end, as well as giving a few things a try before replying.

> On Wed, 10 Jan 2018, at 09:11, Scott Bennett wrote:
>
> Hopefully somebody replied off-line to get you out of your dilemma, Scott.

     No, no one did.  I was startled to receive your belated note, for which
I thank you very, very much.

> If not, at least I hope this is useful to your understanding.

     It has helped, yes.
>
> >      After running 11.1-STABLE with root on ZFS for a week and a half or so,
> > I apparently screwed something up such that the system became unusable while
> > trying to enter multi-user mode.  It looked like the easiest way to correct
> > the mess would be to wipe it out and re-install.
>
> I'm a huge fan of using Boot Environments via sysutils/beadm-devel for this.
> Basically your / filesystem lives in zroot/ROOT/a_meaningful_name, except
> you can:
>
> - have multiple copies / versions
> - select one of those at start time
> - keep "anything useful" on a dataset that lives outside (zroot/usr/home for example)
>   so that it stays between environments
> - I can build and install from source into a new boot environment
> - or try out the next release safely inside there
> - have super powers for sysadmins

     ZFS is a huge chunk of software, and it is very incompletely documented.
As a consequence, it took quite a lot to convince me to commit my archives to
it a few years ago.  Booting from a ZFS pool still seems very uncertain to me
because of the lack of documentation for something that would contain the
operating system itself.  However, because of what happened in October 2016
with 10.3-STABLE, boot environments were the temptation that pushed me over
the edge for the advantages you list above.  I suspect my understanding of
boot environments is still not good enough, but, in part due to your reply,
I am now on 11.1-STABLE (r328491) with several boot environments created and
installed.  As I type, my system is running that version with a kernel that
is GENERIC but for the use of the 4BSD scheduler.  (Does anyone actually use
the piece-of-crap ULE scheduler by choice?  Why is it the default scheduler?)
My next move will be to update my customized kernel config to 11.1.
     After that, I have something potentially trickier to do.  11.1-STABLE was
installed from a DVD originally.  Unfortunately, bsdinstall doesn't appear to
be much of an improvement over sysinstall.  It does allow a ZFS-based
installation, but for a ZFS installation, it rejects all user-supplied disk
partitioning and forces a three-partition (pmbr, swap, root pool) installation.
I have two HDDs that were mostly mirrored (with gmirror(8)) as my boot drives,
but the default partitioning for a ZFS installation by bsdinstall is not what
I want.  I currently still have 10.3-STABLE installed on ada0 and 11.1-STABLE
installed on ada1.  I now want to partition ada0 to a more satisfying layout,
initialize whatever needs to be initialized on it for a ZFS-booted
installation, and then copy from the current pool (on ada1) to that pool (on
ada0), destroy the partition table on ada1, copy the table from ada0 to ada1,
copy/install the pmbr stuff and anything else needed, then zpool attach the
ada1 system partition to the ada0 system pool, and reboot into a properly
partitioned, mirrored system.  The problem is knowing all the details that
have to be satisfied in order to be able to boot afterward from either drive.
>
> >      However, I wanted to save the home directory tree because there had been
> > important changes in it since it had been imported from the 10.3-STABLE system
> > with root, /usr/home, and so on on UFS2, so I ran 
> > 
> > zfs send -ReL -I @15dec2017.freshlyinstalled-11.1S-r236620 zrootx/usr/
> > home@28dec2017 > /mnt/bootdisks/usrhome.28dec2017.zfs-send
> >
> > which is supposed, as I understand it, to have saved a full replication stream,
> > including four snapshots.  Now I wish to receive this into the newly
> > re-installed system, but here is what happens.
> > 
> > Script started on Sun Jan  7 00:54:39 2018
> > # zfs recv -dv zrootx  > receiving incremental stream of zrootx/usr/home@16dec2017.post-import-
> > from-10.3S into zrootx/usr/home@16dec2017.post-import-from-10.3S
> > cannot receive incremental stream: most recent snapshot of zrootx/usr/
> > home does not
> > match incremental source
> > # exit
>
> Almost - you're not starting from the beginning of the zfs dataset, but a snapshot
> partway through,  15dec2017.freshlyinstalled-11.1S-r236620.
>
> As an example if we squint hard and pretend that the dataset is just a simple
> array, e.g. dataset [0,1,2,3,4] is the entire dataset and all snapshots, then
> you've sent [2,3,4] along, but you still need [0,1] to be able to have all the data,
> and also to be able to create a valid dataset you'll need the first few chunks - anything
> that hasn't changed in [2,3,4] is only going to exist in the early blocks in [0,1].
>
     After at least fifty readings of that part of the zfs(8) man page, I had
never understood that.  After getting no response within a few days to my
inquiry, I eventually figured out that there was another way to interpret the
man page that yielded that understanding. :-(  It could have been better
written.  (N.B.  I began doing operating system work about 49 years ago.)

> If you don't need the earlier snapshots, its sufficient to `zfs send -Lev zrootx/usr/home@28dec2017 > zrootx_usr_home_28dec2017.zfs`. Just remember that's not recursive so you'll

     But if I want the snapshots, will adding "R" to the options take care
of it?

> need to do that for each dataset separately. This is likely to be a lot smaller than the
> full set with all intermediary snapshots.

     Unfortunately, that is all now blown away, and the computations have been
redone or obviated by passage of time.
>  
> > [much text deleted -- SB]
> > 
>
> Some reference for future BE (boot environment fun) are here:
>
> http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/articles/zfs-update-management/
> http://www.callfortesting.org/bhyve-boot-environments/
> https://dan.langille.org/2017/09/30/upgrading-from-freebsd-10-3-to-11-1-via-freebsd-update-and-beadm/
>
     I have now had time to read all of the above and digest them, which has,
I hope, led to a clearer understanding of what goes on with boot environments
and how to use them to do what I want to do.  Thank you for including them in
your reply.
     Now, if only someone were to finish documenting ZFS...
     Thanks very much again for your reply.  It has been very helpful.


                                  Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG
**********************************************************************
* Internet:   bennett at sdf.org   *xor*   bennett at freeshell.org  *
*--------------------------------------------------------------------*
* "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good  *
* objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments *
* -- a standing army."                                               *
*    -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790         *
**********************************************************************

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Wed Feb  7 08:06:36 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F8DEE6FDD
 for ;
 Wed,  7 Feb 2018 08:06:36 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no)
Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no
 [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no",
 Issuer "Fagskolen i Gj??vik" (not verified))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 937277BD9B
 for ; Wed,  7 Feb 2018 08:06:35 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no)
Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w1786PXK042369
 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO)
 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2018 09:06:25 +0100 (CET)
 (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no)
Received: from localhost (trond@localhost)
 by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id w1786PUp042366
 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2018 09:06:25 +0100 (CET)
 (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no)
X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 09:06:25 +0100 (CET)
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= 
Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no
To: FreeBSD questions 
Subject: Re: Swap on SSD
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 
References: <26877DEB-034F-422B-918F-2A0D1C381537@kreme.com>
 
 <23160.43027.295357.808217@jerusalem.litteratus.org>
 
 
User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (BSF 202 2017-01-01)
Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet
OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED
 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mail.fig.ol.no
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT
X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 08:06:36 -0000

On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 11:12-0800, Doug Hardie wrote:

> > On 6 February 2018, at 00:04, Trond Endrestøl  wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 13:53-0500, Robert Huff wrote:
> > 
> >> last pid: 57956;  load averages:  2.02,  2.01,  1.95   up 57+19:09:04  13:49:29
> >> 132 processes: 3 running, 129 sleeping
> >> CPU: 38.7% user,  0.4% nice,  7.9% system,  0.0% interrupt, 53.0% idle
> >> Mem: 2264M Active, 2303M Inact, 1478M Laundry, 1525M Wired, 761M Buf, 115M Free
> >> Swap: 17G Total, 996M Used, 16G Free, 5% Inuse
> >> 
> >> 	So ... is "Swap" an incorrect label, or is actual swapping
> >> going on?
> >> 	(And is there a utility which will list the swap area by owning
> >> process?)
> > 
> > Try hitting the w key while running top. Then hit the o key and type 
> > in swap. Hit the enter key and the display should now be sorted by the 
> > most swappy processes. If you read the commit log for top, you'll 
> > notice the VM subsystem doesn't really track swap usage, so the 
> > presented values are only an estimate.
> 
> What system version does that work on?  Running 11.1-RELEASE, I get "Command not understood" for both of those.

It's available in base/head and base/stable/11. It will not be present 
in releases until 11.2-RELEASE. I don't know the status for 
10.4-RELEASE. I only run 11.1-STABLE and occasionally 12.0-CURRENT on 
my systems.

-- 
Trond.
From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Wed Feb  7 08:59:56 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E239EEAB90
 for ;
 Wed,  7 Feb 2018 08:59:56 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com)
Received: from mail.covisp.net (www.covisp.net [65.121.55.45])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6D827D998
 for ; Wed,  7 Feb 2018 08:59:53 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com)
From: LuKreme 
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 01:59:45 -0700
Subject: Re: Response to Meltdown and Spectre
Message-Id: <68098771-FA56-4518-8AA7-ED2DE858855B@kreme.com>
References: 
 <23154.11945.856955.523027@jerusalem.litteratus.org>
 <5A726B60.7040606@gmail.com> <92120E50-19A7-4A44-90DF-505243D77259@kreme.com>
 
 
 <044e62f7-69ca-71fe-34a8-5c5cafc06f08@yahoo.com>
 
 <0520dd84-c00c-fbf2-da1c-f6ff4c63739d@yahoo.com>
 <20180203224612.GA10517@milliways.localdomain>
 <51178.108.68.160.114.1517699531.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu>
 
 <53029.108.68.160.114.1517707316.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu>
 <20180205143720.d4d98011.freebsd@edvax.de>
 
 
In-Reply-To: 
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailer: iPad Mail (15E5178f)
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 08:59:56 -0000

On Feb 6, 2018, at 08:16, Frank Leonhardt  wrote:
> Are you seriously saying that their Windows servers stayed up ALL WEEK wit=
hout a reboot?

That was my thought as well.  2000 was not a good time for Windows server re=
liability.

--=20
This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.=


From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Wed Feb  7 10:52:08 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDCBEF2A49
 for ;
 Wed,  7 Feb 2018 10:52:08 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org)
Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk
 [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk",
 Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99D8182ECE
 for ; Wed,  7 Feb 2018 10:52:08 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org)
Received: from leaf.local (unknown [88.202.132.43])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits))
 (No client certificate requested)
 (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk)
 by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1E36013BF5
 for ; Wed,  7 Feb 2018 10:52:07 +0000 (UTC)
Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk;
 dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=FreeBSD.org
Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/1E36013BF5;
 dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral
Subject: Re: FreeBSD jails, dns and ping
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
References: 
 
From: Matthew Seaman 
Message-ID: <52f596f2-2140-d704-af27-fc2fda53e9ca@FreeBSD.org>
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 10:52:06 +0000
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0)
 Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Content-Language: en-GB
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 10:52:09 -0000

On 06/02/2018 16:17, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote:
> Note that local_unbound worked with both resolv.conf settings.  But
> both ping and pkg gave me grief with the first and worked with the
> second.
> 
> My understanding, admittedly perfunctory, has been that one is
> SUPPOSED to use 127.0.0.1 inside a jail wherever the standard loopback
> address is required. And that the jail system takes care of remapping
> 127.0.0.1 to whatever address is assigned to the loopback interface
> that the jail is configured to use.
> 
> What have I misunderstood?  Had I misconfigured something that is
> documented otherwise than what I had done?

Yes, that is the way it is supposed to work: any attempt to access 
127.0.0.1 (possibly 127.0.0.0/8 BICBW) or ::1 is remapped to the jail 
address.  Mostly this works fine, but some applications -- unbound(8) 
being one of them -- will detect that the packet was sent to 127.0.0.1 
but received on a different interface and drop the packet.

Your possible solutions are:

    * Tweak the local_unbound or unbound configuration to use the jail 
address explicitly.

    * Investigate VIMAGE jails, which have their own network stacks and 
consequently a lo0 interface within the jail.

	Cheers,

	Matthew



From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Wed Feb  7 15:01:18 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C06FF0C34B
 for ;
 Wed,  7 Feb 2018 15:01:18 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk)
Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196])
 (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2E426D08E
 for ; Wed,  7 Feb 2018 15:01:17 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk)
Received: from roundcube.fjl.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w17F18Vs008222;
 Wed, 7 Feb 2018 15:01:08 GMT (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8;
 format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 15:01:07 +0000
From: Frank Leonhardt 
To: Robert Huff 
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Swap on SSD
Organization: FJL Microsystems
In-Reply-To: <23160.43027.295357.808217@jerusalem.litteratus.org>
References: <26877DEB-034F-422B-918F-2A0D1C381537@kreme.com>
 
 <23160.43027.295357.808217@jerusalem.litteratus.org>
Message-ID: 
X-Sender: frank2@fjl.co.uk
User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.9.2
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 15:01:18 -0000

On 2018-02-05 18:53, Robert Huff wrote:
> Frank Leonhardt writes:
> 
>>  FreeBSD doesn't actually swap these days; uses demand paging.
> 
> 	Possible evidence to the contrary:
> 	On a system running:
> 
> FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT #0 r326723: Sat Dec  9 12:30:04 EST 2017 amd64
> 
> 	top shows:
> 
> last pid: 57956;  load averages:  2.02,  2.01,  1.95   up 57+19:09:04  
> 13:49:29
> 132 processes: 3 running, 129 sleeping
> CPU: 38.7% user,  0.4% nice,  7.9% system,  0.0% interrupt, 53.0% idle
> Mem: 2264M Active, 2303M Inact, 1478M Laundry, 1525M Wired, 761M Buf, 
> 115M Free
> Swap: 17G Total, 996M Used, 16G Free, 5% Inuse
> 
> 	So ... is "Swap" an incorrect label, or is actual swapping
> going on?

Yes, it's an incorrect label.




From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Wed Feb  7 15:18:25 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9E8F0D8B9
 for ;
 Wed,  7 Feb 2018 15:18:25 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk)
Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196])
 (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5D806DCDE
 for ; Wed,  7 Feb 2018 15:18:24 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk)
Received: from roundcube.fjl.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w17FIFuH011908
 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2018 15:18:15 GMT
 (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8;
 format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 15:18:15 +0000
From: Frank Leonhardt 
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Swap on SSD
Organization: FJL Microsystems
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 
X-Sender: frank2@fjl.co.uk
User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.9.2
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 15:18:25 -0000

On 2018-02-05 20:08, John R. Levine wrote:
> In article <24BAEBB4-FAA7-47C8-A6FC-32839063666F@kreme.com>, LuKreme
>  wrote:
>> On Feb 5, 2018, at 09:13, Frank Leonhardt  wrote:
>>> FreeBSD doesn't actually swap these days; uses demand paging. This 
>>> means that blocks of RAM that are hardly ever used can get
>> copied to disk. This may include some stuff that's only accessed a few 
>> times a year, but would otherwise be occupying precious
>> RAM that would be much more useful as a disk cache. That said, FreeBSD 
>> tends not to page out except as a last resort - probably a
>> mistake but I can't prove it.
> 


> On one of my BSD cloud virtual machines I have a server process that
> slurps in about a gigabyte of stuff into a very large perl table, then
> sits there and answers queries from that table.  The system swaps like
> crazy for a few seconds while it's loading up the table, then quiets
> down and reads a few pages a second from the swap as the queries come
> in. That's about the worst case, and only becasue I'm a cheapskate and
> don't want to pay for a larger VM where everything would fit in RAM.

On a VM you have no idea whether anything is on disk or in RAM - chances 
are in this case your swap partition is in the hypervisor's disk cache.

---------------

There seems to be some confusion on this list about swapping and paging. 
Swapping is old hat. Basically when doing a context swap you wrote a 
non-running process to a swap area to free up RAM space. We don't do 
that anymore - we use demand paged virtual memory. All processes 
potentially remain resident, but some of their memory map may be paged 
out to disk to free up RAM. If the process tries to access such a page 
the MMU interrupts the kernel, which loads in the missing page and uses 
the MMU to put it back in the process space at the right location before 
returning control.

I'm not being pedantic here - the difference between swapped and paged 
systems is very significant if you're optimising disk/RAM usage.

Swap areas have been replaced by page areas on disk, but the name stuck. 
A bit like core store - I haven't used core store since the 1980's but 
we still have "core dumps". Youngsters in the office look at me oddly 
when I use terms like core and DASD...


From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Wed Feb  7 18:31:25 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 551DDF1B66C
 for ;
 Wed,  7 Feb 2018 18:31:25 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org)
Received: from bede.home.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org",
 Issuer "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org" (not verified))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA65C77499
 for ; Wed,  7 Feb 2018 18:31:24 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org)
Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2])
 by bede.home.qeng-ho.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id
 w17IVDOv086403; Wed, 7 Feb 2018 18:31:13 GMT
 (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org)
From: Arthur Chance 
Subject: Re: Swap on SSD
To: Frank Leonhardt , Robert Huff 
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
References: <26877DEB-034F-422B-918F-2A0D1C381537@kreme.com>
 
 <23160.43027.295357.808217@jerusalem.litteratus.org>
 
Message-ID: 
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 18:31:13 +0000
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
 Thunderbird/52.5.2
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Content-Language: en-GB
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 18:31:25 -0000

On 07/02/2018 15:01, Frank Leonhardt wrote:
> On 2018-02-05 18:53, Robert Huff wrote:
>> Frank Leonhardt writes:
>>
>>>  FreeBSD doesn't actually swap these days; uses demand paging.
>>
>>     Possible evidence to the contrary:
>>     On a system running:
>>
>> FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT #0 r326723: Sat Dec  9 12:30:04 EST 2017 amd64
>>
>>     top shows:
>>
>> last pid: 57956;  load averages:  2.02,  2.01,  1.95   up 57+19:09:04 
>> 13:49:29
>> 132 processes: 3 running, 129 sleeping
>> CPU: 38.7% user,  0.4% nice,  7.9% system,  0.0% interrupt, 53.0% idle
>> Mem: 2264M Active, 2303M Inact, 1478M Laundry, 1525M Wired, 761M Buf,
>> 115M Free
>> Swap: 17G Total, 996M Used, 16G Free, 5% Inuse
>>
>>     So ... is "Swap" an incorrect label, or is actual swapping
>> going on?
> 
> Yes, it's an incorrect label.

Pretty much like referring to SSD storage as "disk" when it's all
rectangular slabs. The historical name lingers on long after the
technology becomes obsolete.

-- 
An amusing coincidence: log2(58) = 5.858 (to 0.0003% accuracy).

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Wed Feb  7 19:40:09 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87553F20320
 for ;
 Wed,  7 Feb 2018 19:40:09 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from news@mips.inka.de)
Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de
 [IPv6:2a04:c9c7:0:1073:217:a4ff:fe3b:e77c])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B4167B17E
 for ; Wed,  7 Feb 2018 19:40:09 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from news@mips.inka.de)
Received: from mips.inka.de (news@[127.0.0.1])
 by mail.inka.de with uucp (rmailwrap 0.5) 
 id 1ejVZf-000540-2q; Wed, 07 Feb 2018 20:40:07 +0100
Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w17JcJWt006538
 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2018 20:38:19 +0100 (CET)
 (envelope-from news@lorvorc.mips.inka.de)
Received: (from news@localhost)
 by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w17JcJ3t006537
 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 7 Feb 2018 20:38:19 +0100 (CET)
 (envelope-from news)
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
From: Christian Weisgerber 
Newsgroups: list.freebsd.questions
Subject: Re: Swap on SSD
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 19:38:19 -0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: 
References: 
 
User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (FreeBSD)
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 19:40:09 -0000

On 2018-02-07, Frank Leonhardt  wrote:

> There seems to be some confusion on this list about swapping and paging. 
> Swapping is old hat. Basically when doing a context swap you wrote a 
> non-running process to a swap area to free up RAM space. We don't do 
> that anymore - we use demand paged virtual memory.

Demand paging was introduced in UNIX 32V and entered the BSD line 
with 3BSD.  That's around 1978-80, so almost forty years ago.

-- 
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber                          naddy@mips.inka.de

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Thu Feb  8 01:56:28 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B70EEE0D5
 for ;
 Thu,  8 Feb 2018 01:56:28 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from meng@colorflake.net)
Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
 [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5])
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E08F66B498
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 01:56:27 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from meng@colorflake.net)
Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix)
 id 9F859EEE0D2; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 01:56:27 +0000 (UTC)
Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78254EEE0D1
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 01:56:27 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from meng@colorflake.net)
Received: from m97139.mail.qiye.163.com (m97139.mail.qiye.163.com
 [220.181.97.139])
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC786B497
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 01:56:25 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from meng@colorflake.net)
Received: from SSVucalJqB (unknown [137.175.77.17])
 by smtp10 (Coremail) with SMTP id vOCowAA3L5lDrntaBffTAA--.21S2;
 Thu, 08 Feb 2018 09:56:19 +0800 (CST)
Message-ID: <20180208095506621.meng@colorflake.net>
MIME-Version: 1.0
From: "Cindy"
 
To: "Questions"
 
Reply-To: sales@fabulousgarnet.com
Date: 8 Feb 2018 09:55:08 +0800
Subject: Shaft coupling to Questions
X-CM-TRANSID: vOCowAA3L5lDrntaBffTAA--.21S2
X-Coremail-Antispam: 1Uf129KBjDUn29KB7ZKAUJUUUUU529EdanIXcx71UUUUU7v73
 VFW2AGmfu7bjvjm3AaLaJ3UbIYCTnIWIevJa73UjIFyTuYvjxUsasUDUUUU
X-Originating-IP: [137.175.77.17]
X-CM-SenderInfo: pphqwqpfro025iodyvgoqh3/1tbicQTmO1lZtt1zQgAAsy
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 01:56:28 -0000

Hello Questions,=0D=0AThanks for your time to check this email ,I=
'm Cindy from Fabulous Group Limited.Our company produceL typeJaw=
 spider coupling,L035,050,070,075,090,095,099,100,110,150.and we =
also canproduce thepowder metallurgy parts according to your requ=
irement.for more information, please feel free to contact with me=
 , i will quote our best price to you , wish to building good rel=
ationship with you in the near future .=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0ABe=
st regards=0D=0ACindy Meng=0D=0A=0D=0AFABULOUS GROUP LIMITED=0D=0A=
=0D=0A=0D=0AADD,C-1609, SHENGDEJINDI, LANGFANG, HEBEI, CHINA=0D=0A=
TEL:+86-13230657938=0D=0AFAX:0316-5211769=0D=0AWhatsApp:+86-13230=
657938=0D=0A=0D=0Asales @ fabulousgarnet. co=
mwww. glassflake. com.cn=0A=0A91Q6zf9ZNgNixxFRU0uLkcWYyWQs4cr11yt=
FqAGyffqxjFCbOiyBW0xW5RxDoGUAOLhY4ZqjkVw5MoETkFEMEQ501xAz23aykPJx=
oD7PSfh0tsaGcEjJ28WYGgXxoQggLXKXF6uHxPTpy5xzmTmoKqwcSKR8FAq1Y0fvH=
d16aBcdexpBIoavuSwlry4Vem1XoSqyP1R9Sge8djXlkgphpVx6uU4886ROAfOm6R=
LHw1CdEn78BJAYWKxtkk4VXJ0MpqyYuBetvHKoijs6NWxpvTRPHl1MNQKN1QOeP8D=
0u7se09a0SX80bAgvyIh9zsFEXWmsvegFjxVoqCPya0UPIJCqziF7Qtq1rNh3MHvD=
HsHEES5VTIYyyQWdkWScy9OP6UWClLMtug8f2XMHcJe8vRsBR3IPPj5xESxKVtz7W=
v3iHHbm9aZOVGkfrlLi3WDbbAAaq1MJa6bZNaT9RlGEjgCYxijzIh4ZRR7771W8og=
EOukrgsBqHgYSUXCC8Hd1S2c7V3L2Qpxg2BOudQ276QmJSZc9uoNqbfMLhcvdGzzh=
IIPj98phF5U1FteWQBxrC65NP3c0lPqxh50a9S0mZvL5kK5OXym417ECC1u5VoWPF=
nKAt4NYAas7l0t4Xn2Mslv9roy7oUqAzVqXZvlTLotRFxgCyp8yl9njSB94vFzFJR=
ypAw5r1913REtT7WyYMSfpy64nmgn5OO7OZQ12jGwc8jre8fXz6ATRC8RtrI5KLVe=
3wFTgUwE5l2heFQf6jOYdUgbQZyBBBMrc4nHslGEAWOvARCNAsYrWW08ft2gmV3tz=
A4ai9MLC9oh6LBZnK09Dkvg3esYiqiFSkWZMsvrFdONyI2uS3TBUUQe5O63GOscQI=
pMPBcUeztqvIHkcX6fwHLYuHUYmsKRLCWPjgFgQZmkqpIm6LQJHcF9Xqh7GeyMPBF=
TLS1WhPpxkrx4YxRBB09yWMRTYxABrzvPKPBdKUrSN8OwSd88mWbOr6WZ17YJfN6K=
WIk9WDRGzhKNXl1KprfuoGnDSBcCWHD023A9TZcI5ufam91F6dkNxCmfkGgkreKRE=
KKUKRRpfwoUrdhJAwwJmPsqHkPcIRhRKnvBo7VelVy1drO7pxKUI1vOhkcp2FGoex=
a3HFltBhnrhqcfwINb6n8ISGk3VvcGeaNGhKpJchiqD3xQ7WTkSvhQorb0lhy55Hc=
7DwYMi3YP4I4O9tWYCSOISWiQzonVIdlWQqdBY61OxsMGmmRSlztdTueGe7cUF36R=
m8YIfl0vQZbq9BtdwvA9J83mbwmQU68tlVjeo8CZzXmTiOwCEZoatX7e5BxIYaBKR=
H4eifOnTAAML94n0KbUIX0oO49MBT1pmC1AKijpa0hTnlsVx9IdYG1THGqd51LZya=
p97tCHqMJIG71sCdfraOqFA8T4R5j9ehkcViN3x1McXjcAFXBRLkOKKKzZAyQlsAu=
oMOxjqcU91eHhVipTurnUtAsaJOtYbrJnOOOQqirzpFIv2i4i9WQ0cAVcmnACJWYA=
vks7uytc0NuORX7qJbOeAJaeSCt3HOQtG80IPWNAsEZp57kpf9Sy7JZLadeS4qubX=
17JWpANneMWJL9Lh4NyWimW9eyCIVv1aOs4ZBsQy5aSX32o4tA0CWfEFbzIRY4rIK=
LVj5MFCXZR7tZ5c9xekvpdzNoO1KYA0Jach65ZHUnEXnwcbuwHqP6clymvGXESYoQ=
oiMO53yxp8KgbgcCxeg9aCXRJKzjJgvFyx7ToGqERiH4Ahbetl7EHfGMkV4kufO9C=
4ID9idQNCiSUTgszkPo9QXjQkytB69Ctxrwyx5a7gR5WNRrECK9qq0L6pMOJJfHsF=
onsKT2fEgSZSm2t7PYl0c3xFq9Khqn19ChpuZUJITL97Md3JlCUglstlPMkKiXdTR=
Pg4DY8VfD6qUqTc50WOtKO9N3FcAYqWxffWWY6mtY0Il2rpS7Eh1pq717gzjVlgca=
TEaXg6UzkuJ5OLCfjsk8V8P8UPHw3xDKva9MeVRxnr4WnVivX3CSW3fKP23qpowNQ=
ZzDCP1oBMLt4SKYwcyZVKNsVoXbSq8ZVh5omET72dhaiMGWi4UdPwR5b7IdRPvbDM=
yNNlCRiqXItC99I1TNwVaop0ceWFfcH6wwdS9Ws2Uoy9CyXzuQWIEIC9nN9nVDbK0=
n6DVPSWlu0LQgnDgmapgZrOT4vmN46hdN8esjEFY0maIQj6pw7ysLu0VhJQkw9hnJ=
y289aWIvqfCg63LpWgXxPrj7iazNksQ5NYhhXflaQWkeoFbG5VzSkPU6J0QZnVbYp=
xt7LurHVMHS64JDZTIpTYLX4axXplNVLlPQb4UAtRXx81ZEhd0tcL5rMv2BWuizZM=
7LeSrUZ7V10dP3aTFbljIZgo4G1jEZznylTeqoL5u5P4qyGZq3O6eF48uPNLTFsWr=
DFu9VshqfPD9bYwZ2TBbt9ShLKABZcOCTDMScPuAwFYQrYiRgLRMRKXtNcobRGq30=
0gybENco0ENa2QMrJkek2K9Fj5ZqiJQfUPqIJFCXEnR59iKmBK7mcJYf6TSyOM5gO=
ygdp4H3HgGES3w0kDOyBu2bQaBQN49ShAhA2xWx24EW2km3nSdaXxFjv4mftQgC6N=
miMVXNHhwxP68vNytVQZVKVX4YaG3bN1PfY4grUqtF08tpVQrVnlM7SBmOQZC0dkJ=
OgTxIh10qwfJNtF2ke8OrfImmIsBVNssGoF82jJDllmBDRzkaXiL4whyywb0Pq5C3=
M3pOxZ1vut6T7Ju97qYvGn966zv8IOUgKxQO9wDXhgA2bFrMGQH076npTiHXuTMFy=
Q9zSGZAN0eqN7Vr8IrS6U8D9rURPFsntUukwRTZR7c6RXBMnfPLrUzEHvprL8K7xQ=
XTCAUgOs0ZH2LcP8tzQHWylPD1rsdIm5y1ZI9NkyWZUzWEJdBDFbgQTpyNXTPmeiC=
BuKd7YFehLXELTYheQA3bOI7A9mQrJzKBXkaZZtFZWY4WLMUYCAvEerNMDCXCPNyb=
c2OyOienV4fPDaPmsRO846nwxolnv298qTJIYmajl8JabX8sMBaXZp76Ei0pWRRSU=
7pKr6o6HuNVndkAfTAUSb90LD4GlKmuhQf4xo1Gc4guCbIrXpa3gW0JYoYN2HKW8i=
EwYf3RRUHOVEozUCJWAjekQw69pdDvjkmkxbtHmjblebNj0pSqYNmO3jGs9TrEhcu=
Bi32J91Ag7S6EIN80kdxwXxgev0ysRx42Gc0Wm9gXd5Hbc1JmLrj3EYDLNOd8s7pA=
N4YvMcDaWAiSQ41thbHpd1nIze8yW7u5G7o83ezyO864GLVIMJRhqZmMHfWx34eP6=
ccIGTq3C8B4Ui2OjqLcgcEGKBqNh1vKUhYtyc1TjOEiohRpd7eCi2yTyvY4sCLACR=
aCjzf7oSTsxlitK1AaNSrSI5U3eXrG34Gw7e5ES6eq96lccukq2BMKpiUeEbTrrco=
tFLmvWWhGE1JCKIRJC0EsiW7PkRZGdNYWHRwq8Pu6j55nzhuVk9OryWbJEwa5WAtQ=
2MUSbqAMvx8cQKg3m4m3YxoKGNMBFp9ICfkMnBJUz1V0OZTTg7ISepSvo9boDY75n=
pzBptFLkruWBnWHTTlyHhucmPndplgAUQCppiuNrWyMVWT1duvKDzo6UneA5slZaT=
2LKxiBoy6KJIhqWm0VPwXkswu13THZBzB1U7gGcTl5sDmc5OEIrq9EWHje2gxuQ79=
a6gwO6kJWbRRO9hVffYxapX4cN2DVlQeluc6PiPC7Hct5Pu4LkieSAYK9bj13GNAk=
DwkXb6XqlptdtZniXSA3BmKvrWEYOyrTC9sia6zekOwauxFcVI5OcwIgLPwesYCMY=
zAkx48RimINPA0Uhr35sCH5qbwlAlMmbJcVWkFQzevPOUrbOBW0VwjlSvUlyNgXAm=
C5n5XXMcwd7RhwJkxZoLqFpQ2rqjiMYxfsimOIEZdJ06d0eoCdghzOVXFw2wwtTJf=
zCOdnwOloyHEjC2c2G5wHYrxlGhF7sKPgQEopafGrWagdilT0juMOdxBahSGf8dWN=
SotYDNRrp4LOaj2lnFNXX13i3d7hyqj
From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Thu Feb  8 07:31:02 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C0EDF0A2E6
 for ;
 Thu,  8 Feb 2018 07:31:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it)
Received: from smtp209.alice.it (smtp209.alice.it [82.57.200.105])
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE6978159
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 07:31:01 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from ml@netfence.it)
Received: from soth.ventu (87.18.51.42) by smtp209.alice.it (8.6.060.28)
 id 5A7ABFE6005BC895; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 08:30:53 +0100
Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18])
 by soth.ventu (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w187Ursp013923;
 Thu, 8 Feb 2018 08:30:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it)
X-Authentication-Warning: soth.ventu: Host alamar.local.netfence.it
 [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu
From: Andrea Venturoli 
Subject: Re: Mail/fax gateway
To: Peter Zyumbilev 
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
References: <0f3578c5-a822-61f3-8a81-33e4290fe0b3@netfence.it>
 <6762f8ea-078e-4da6-a554-197598c0f1dc@aboutsupport.com>
Message-ID: 
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 08:30:48 +0100
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
 Thunderbird/52.6.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <6762f8ea-078e-4da6-a554-197598c0f1dc@aboutsupport.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Content-Language: en-US
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 07:31:02 -0000

On 02/06/18 22:36, Peter Zyumbilev wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> https://www.digium.com/products/software/fax-for-asterisk
> 
> 
> You may check fax for asterisk. However, my suggestion is to 
> outsource    to service like eFax.com .  Fax over IP is 
> not reliable.

Thanks for your answer.

However I fail to see how your suggestion is related to my question: I 
didn't ask for a VoIP solution, as we have an old PSTN/RTG phone line. 
Maybe I'm not getting your big picture?

WRT to outsourcing, I agree with your opinion, but my customer wants to 
evaluate both ways.

  bye
	av.

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Thu Feb  8 07:38:05 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69066F0AC8A
 for ;
 Thu,  8 Feb 2018 07:38:05 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com)
Received: from mail.covisp.net (www.covisp.net [65.121.55.45])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13047786B9
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 07:38:04 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com)
From: LuKreme 
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 00:38:02 -0700
Subject: Re: Swap on SSD
Message-Id: <396EC97D-AF5C-4D37-9172-7212B3B0BDDB@kreme.com>
References: 
 
In-Reply-To: 
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailer: iPad Mail (15E5178f)
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 07:38:05 -0000

On Feb 7, 2018, at 08:18, Frank Leonhardt  wrote:
> Swap areas have been replaced by page areas on disk, but the name stuck.

Should the installer then be creating a dedicated swap partition? It seems n=
ot.

--=20
This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.



From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Thu Feb  8 07:58:02 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42BCF0C076
 for ;
 Thu,  8 Feb 2018 07:58:02 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com)
Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63FB97942E
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 07:58:02 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim;
 c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1518076684; x=1520668684;
 h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info;
 bh=JlhJ7kFrQaUDoMjfwn3RdzyEkBxoTgvCt7lxB+dWXs8=;
 b=ut70aPDgqbUifblyW0XUsT9CIPB9sbhlXgHdVDpoVwVUlY4zHOCVhylTf5R8Rpz+EJk51MU1cf7UhhEP+pLt0SGRh5bF23u5Cg69avwiRKL5RefI3F0/LC8nOXHLcg+ciwQDRjml2zPA5pYjTTjJPs7xMB0cAIk5eDYdJ4dlxkE=
X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi44ZTAwMDAwMDIwN2NlNy5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw==
Received: from r1.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com
 (r1.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com [54.86.145.87]) by bca2.email-od.com
 with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256);
 Thu, 8 Feb 2018 02:57:51 -0500
Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by
 r1.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com
 with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256);
 Thu, 8 Feb 2018 02:57:48 -0500
Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org)
 by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.90 (FreeBSD))
 (envelope-from ) id 1ejh5W-000Kpm-Hl
 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 08 Feb 2018 07:57:46 +0000
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 07:57:46 +0000
From: Steve O'Hara-Smith 
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Swap on SSD
Message-Id: <20180208075746.917d9319074bd831af69eacd@sohara.org>
In-Reply-To: <396EC97D-AF5C-4D37-9172-7212B3B0BDDB@kreme.com>
References: 
 
 <396EC97D-AF5C-4D37-9172-7212B3B0BDDB@kreme.com>
X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0)
X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett"
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 07:58:03 -0000

On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 00:38:02 -0700
LuKreme  wrote:

> On Feb 7, 2018, at 08:18, Frank Leonhardt  wrote:
> > Swap areas have been replaced by page areas on disk, but the name stuck.
> 
> Should the installer then be creating a dedicated swap partition? It
> seems not.

	Yes of course it should, it's the place where pages that aren't
backed by storage can be written to when needed.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith 

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Thu Feb  8 14:09:50 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8C4F06B72
 for ;
 Thu,  8 Feb 2018 14:09:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from
 SRS0=zgdjQY=FC=infoprospect.tech=margaret.charles@yourhostingaccount.com)
Received: from walmailout10.yourhostingaccount.com
 (walmailout10.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.86])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC51669AE4
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 14:09:49 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from
 SRS0=zgdjQY=FC=infoprospect.tech=margaret.charles@yourhostingaccount.com)
Received: from mailscan11.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.11]
 helo=walmailscan11.yourhostingaccount.com)
 by walmailout10.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim)
 id 1ejmQF-0000DW-Jr
 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 08 Feb 2018 08:39:31 -0500
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed;
 d=infoprospect.tech; s=dkim; h=Sender:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:
 Date:Subject:To:From:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:
 Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc
 :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:
 List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive;
 bh=IiJTmyhuD6t7x5HErKxz1+s1oYog2sJaGkWVefl6qQA=; b=ditMFD+rZAoQ8SQDdd07PuLJ+E
 gcMOLD5scDTRgi+pZe2dz3fgUAQnekQqbHuMRTBX7d5viBfc2sCvIRReyoX+TK0wRSDRQkluICM9O
 RTONoukQNWpjSPNV2zkV0jjjPiFG1/ALisqYaShnujup71EjHyJBua9qvGzEqlsybvl7r2xpmlPE6
 jwCPwOm8+TaZohGnUp1k7yE7d9Z9o2rpd1l+D7zRrV6LWe3FSDKMCVEvC8PugOV2i641G1Dnti6H0
 5qg865BrKUgNW7Rcu9nQt6Dw4QwH2dEVRRIyIB54S5Yq85A5cULEAHlVaZjBumao75LSf9P6fj8sn
 iMM0V51w==;
Received: from [10.114.3.32] (helo=walimpout12)
 by walmailscan11.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim)
 id 1ejmQF-0001Gg-Gf
 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 08 Feb 2018 08:39:31 -0500
Received: from walauthsmtp13.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.13])
 by walimpout12 with 
 id 8DfU1x00B0GvC8i01DfXm5; Thu, 08 Feb 2018 08:39:31 -0500
X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=Js2BlIwC c=1 sm=1 tr=0
 a=98qOcNyB16KL63Z3hZrGug==:117 a=A1N2ahg+eSgQNAV9mAPDRg==:17
 a=MKtGQD3n3ToA:10 a=1oJP67jkp3AA:10 a=Op4juWPpsa0A:10 a=qvL0Ip3_U1sA:10
 a=ncr2g9dUqJAA:10 a=ZZnuYtJkoWoA:10 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9
 a=d8oN3xPXNOJJVcNtMAAA:9 a=gkzdNJ8qVJmpltCK:21 a=k_yRf2fH5dLNkYub:21
 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=wZF1dOLmdBtMQvkfzMsA:9
 a=gtvaBClpDbK2-0LG:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10
 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10
Received: from [49.205.221.41] (port=53747 helo=userPC)
 by walauthsmtp13.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpa (Exim)
 id 1ejmQB-0001tb-R9
 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 08 Feb 2018 08:39:28 -0500
From: "Margaret charles" 
To: 
Subject: Microsoft Azure leads 2018
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 08:39:20 -0500
Message-ID: 
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Priority: 1 (Highest)
X-MSMail-Priority: High
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 15.0
Importance: High
Thread-Index: AdOg4ji+aSSinveqTGayugo7MQnyYQ==
Content-Language: en-us
X-EN-UserInfo: f690deb99d5536de3235811640a90156:931c98230c6409dcc37fa7e93b490c27
X-EN-AuthUser: margaret.charles@infoprospect.tech
Sender: "Margaret charles" 
X-EN-OrigIP: 49.205.221.41
X-EN-OrigHost: unknown
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 14:09:50 -0000

Hello,

 

Might we want to know whether you are interested, in Microsoft Azure leads
for your marketing effort?

 

Information Available: -First Name, Last Name, Contact Name, Title, Company,
Address, City, State/Province, ZIP/Postal Code, ZIP4, Country, Phone, Fax,
Primary Industry, SIC Code, NAICS, Employees, Sales, Email Address and Web
Address

 

Note:  We have all types of target market available.

 

Regards
Margaret charles

Marketing Manager

 

 

 

 


From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Thu Feb  8 14:40:18 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86E6F08F9D
 for ;
 Thu,  8 Feb 2018 14:40:18 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com)
Received: from mail-wm0-x22f.google.com (mail-wm0-x22f.google.com
 [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22f])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits))
 (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com",
 Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2619F6B07C
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 14:40:18 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com)
Received: by mail-wm0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id r78so10424990wme.0
 for ; Thu, 08 Feb 2018 06:40:18 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025;
 h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to;
 bh=gBek2BUl6JwGdi/zvDZNaKUlV7Rh+s4i/AnV6pdp0bc=;
 b=VEjmdmZkggjDzW4tP4yi2o/B1mZpveWlZZqhfHK8UxUF0hkufWtggwocHwmUdsEo9l
 OAUi47w/1tob0NA+ePFd/Xh1ajQmJLcuHFpf8t9VgH53hpMKm8obTbuvl/Lt8rtmY3Q3
 hivP4HWc9uAF2PCiIz8ueJ20lrCEEzqUTK20iPWIGZZw+PY/zNGLFHwlArIYHR1/wr1u
 xDKH4+nGXm14zYcnF///vWhccea1Doddw+av3Y/vVZ12YY786LA84D/wX9gVn89nDxgj
 NXh16FpbDqBvrmqgjGnDi/sSCwc8R7nlvLQvsT8mvZZaBquGD3Zcquf9WXOOW2BKGf+6
 ln/w==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
 d=1e100.net; s=20161025;
 h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to;
 bh=gBek2BUl6JwGdi/zvDZNaKUlV7Rh+s4i/AnV6pdp0bc=;
 b=p/oNLrKEiDwyH5NGDn4Gvxt55/j4G/QtIPkgr7VH2Mlj2xfpXrSHtFIsVZXIiYsGzE
 yVnkEwBzHifKUJIrLYiTk4nzbMaS9dNCgG9tHbQ0U6wfoKoVXo3dBA8xQ/B7p4h0rbka
 t6uWeuL10pJ9qmZ1AiF53XF/7PPXTbTRvZtT99AQKspr+bpjbbJenxk9AAGNpWvU0LQn
 DOwUtFkn+Ow4Z9M/18PL7IYoDeeOp2nObxR0+c10k0oSsLLHaFqjY9j5Ur/ljuRMeZKd
 XeuoLORZPxG/o8zqS+zFRULk2x+kqpO7c01z6yotpqQCGyOID0qtIoJCLfM7IrtYUCCm
 JzdQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPDpUv/WKZxQwfaSRFfpHPociTt5RgsETQOJkUmbGL6yTHaXXC4T
 NB4yO/glnFuxnST+X0ERb1He7LIRasWKkLPIlIU=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x22709ZLNIZK5za6rjbLXrgedZ9UkyIIkOVyThhJ1630zqI2BffAWlRReiKAURrSVInok4/jpkQcY6eb8qpSZSVM=
X-Received: by 10.28.122.11 with SMTP id v11mr1178782wmc.38.1518100816893;
 Thu, 08 Feb 2018 06:40:16 -0800 (PST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.223.141.184 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 06:40:16 -0800 (PST)
From: David Mehler 
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 09:40:16 -0500
Message-ID: 
Subject: upgrade now have two openssl versions
To: freebsd-questions 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 14:40:18 -0000

Hello,

I just upgraded a 10.3 server to 11.1. I've now got two openssl
versions the one in base which openssl version reports as openssl
1.0.2k, and an installed port which pkg info reports as 1.0.2n. How do
I get openssl and the system to use and to link against the newer
version?

Thanks.
Dave.

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Thu Feb  8 15:09:38 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9211DF0AF84
 for ;
 Thu,  8 Feb 2018 15:09:38 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org)
Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk
 [81.2.117.100])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk",
 Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 254246C3BD
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 15:09:37 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org)
Received: from leaf.local (unknown [88.202.132.43])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits))
 (No client certificate requested)
 (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk)
 by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0F03513DDA
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 15:09:36 +0000 (UTC)
Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk;
 dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=FreeBSD.org
Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/0F03513DDA;
 dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral
Subject: Re: upgrade now have two openssl versions
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
References: 
From: Matthew Seaman 
Message-ID: <2d09eda4-0407-013f-da4e-f333b3b59b1a@FreeBSD.org>
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 15:09:35 +0000
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0)
 Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Content-Language: en-GB
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 15:09:38 -0000

On 08/02/2018 14:40, David Mehler wrote:
> I just upgraded a 10.3 server to 11.1. I've now got two openssl
> versions the one in base which openssl version reports as openssl
> 1.0.2k, and an installed port which pkg info reports as 1.0.2n. How do
> I get openssl and the system to use and to link against the newer
> version?
> 

If you are using the pre-compiled pkgs from the FreeBSD project, then 
you can't.  Those packages will always use the default openssl, which 
for 11.1 is still the base version of openssl.

If you are compiling your own packages either via poudriere or 
otherwise, then you can use the DEFAULT_VERSIONS variable in make.conf:

DEFAULT_VERSIONS+=	ssl=openssl

That will cause all of the ports to be linked against the 
security/openssl port.  There are some complications if you're using 
GSSAPI or Kerberos, where there are other blocks of code that can come 
from either base and ports and you need to make sure everything is 
consistent -- ie. either use all ports, or use all base.  Note that 
switching between ports and base openssl support benefits greatly from 
clean-room build methods (eg. poudriere): the simple presence of the 
ports version of openssl on your build system will prevent you from 
compiling against the base system version of openssl.

See /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.default-versions.mk and /usr/ports/Mk/Uses/ssl.mk 
for all the gory details.

	Cheers,

	Matthew

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Thu Feb  8 15:26:57 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE41F0C6BC
 for ;
 Thu,  8 Feb 2018 15:26:57 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca)
Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca
 [216.185.71.28])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca",
 Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD6696D20E
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 15:26:56 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F876624DA
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 10:26:49 -0500 (EST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca
Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1])
 by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new,
 port 10024)
 with ESMTP id fVGoB_pLwWnA for ;
 Thu,  8 Feb 2018 10:26:46 -0500 (EST)
Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca
 [216.185.71.24])
 (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B30AB6242B
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 10:26:45 -0500 (EST)
Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll)
 by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 10:26:45 -0500
Message-ID: 
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 10:26:45 -0500
Subject: Apache24 and WebDaV
From: "James B. Byrne" 
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca
User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
Importance: Normal
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 15:26:57 -0000

I am transferring an existing WebDaV site running under Apache22 on
CentOS to a FreeBSD-11 jail running Apache24.  I have transferred the
Apache22 configuration file for this service to the Apache24 site and
altered it to handle the changes in Apache24.

The service starts on the jail without error and I can attempt to
connect to it from the Mate desktop file browser on my workstation. 
But I keep getting the error : Not a WebDAV enabled share.

I have searched for this error and found a discussion that says point
blank that WebDAV is broken on Apache24.  I cannot believe this is
true but I applied the suggested fix to the WebDaV directory
configuration in Apache24 (add DirectoryIndex disabled). This changed
nothing.

Does anyone here have a working WebDaV configuration for Apache24 that
they could share with me so I can compare and discover if I have
missed some obscure setting; or an Apache24 change thereto?

Thanks,


-- 
***          e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel          ***
        Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail
 Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail

James B. Byrne                mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca
Harte & Lyne Limited          http://www.harte-lyne.ca
9 Brockley Drive              vox: +1 905 561 1241
Hamilton, Ontario             fax: +1 905 561 0757
Canada  L8E 3C3


From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Thu Feb  8 15:54:59 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9585F0E7FA
 for ;
 Thu,  8 Feb 2018 15:54:59 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from luciano@vespaperitivo.it)
Received: from baobab.bilink.net (baobab.bilink.net [212.45.144.44])
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3709F6E31C
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 15:54:58 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from luciano@vespaperitivo.it)
Received: from baobab.bilink.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by baobab.bilink.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3zcjJN6QGgz3jZ54
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 16:47:48 +0100 (CET)
Received: from hermes.mcs.it (hermes.mcs.it [192.168.132.21])
 by baobab.bilink.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3zcjJN5gBFz3jZ4y
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 16:47:48 +0100 (CET)
Received: from mordeus (unknown [192.168.45.6])
 by hermes.mcs.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9941B1B7303
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 16:47:48 +0100 (CET)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 16:47:48 +0100
From: Luciano Mannucci 
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: clinfo
X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3)
X-Face: 4qPv4GNcD;
 h<7Q/sK>+GqF4=CR@KmnPkSmwd+#%\F`4yjKO3"C]p'z=(oWRnsYBQGM\5g:4skqQY0NnV'dM:Mm:^/_+I@a";
 [-s=ogufdF"9ggQ'=y
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Message-Id: <3zcjJN5gBFz3jZ4y@baobab.bilink.it>
X-Virus-Scanned: PippoLillo, ClamAV using ClamSMTP
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 15:55:00 -0000


Hello all!

I'm tying to see if I can make some use af all my Rdons that sit on
"asci text" only machines (mainly servers of any kind). After some
reading I installed clover, ocl-icd and klinfo. Loaded the radeonkms
module via kldload (wich loaded drm2) but clinfo seems unable to see
the GPU:

root@vodka:~ # clinfo
Number of platforms                               1
  Platform Name                                   Clover
  Platform Vendor                                 Mesa
  Platform Version                                OpenCL 1.1 Mesa 17.3.1
  Platform Profile                                FULL_PROFILE
  Platform Extensions                             cl_khr_icd
  Platform Extensions function suffix             MESA

  Platform Name                                   Clover
Number of devices                                 0

NULL platform behavior
  clGetPlatformInfo(NULL, CL_PLATFORM_NAME, ...)  Clover
  clGetDeviceIDs(NULL, CL_DEVICE_TYPE_ALL, ...)   Clover
  clCreateContext(NULL, ...) [default]            No devices found in platform
  clCreateContextFromType(NULL, CL_DEVICE_TYPE_CPU)  No devices found in platform
  clCreateContextFromType(NULL, CL_DEVICE_TYPE_GPU)  No devices found in platform
  clCreateContextFromType(NULL, CL_DEVICE_TYPE_ACCELERATOR)  No devices found in platform
  clCreateContextFromType(NULL, CL_DEVICE_TYPE_CUSTOM)  No devices found in platform
  clCreateContextFromType(NULL, CL_DEVICE_TYPE_ALL)  No devices found in platform

ICD loader properties
  ICD loader Name                                 OpenCL ICD Loader
  ICD loader Vendor                               OCL Icd free software
  ICD loader Version                              2.2.11
  ICD loader Profile                              OpenCL 2.1

system is:

root@vodka:~ # uname -a
FreeBSD vodka 11.1-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 11.1-RELEASE-p4 #0: Tue Nov 14 06:12:40 UTC 2017     root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64

with:
Processor Information
	Socket Designation: FM2+ 
	Type: Central Processor
	Family: A-Series
	Manufacturer: AuthenticAMD
	ID: 81 0F 63 00 FF FB 8B 17
	Signature: Family 21, Model 56, Stepping 1
	Flags:
		FPU (Floating-point unit on-chip)
		VME (Virtual mode extension)
		DE (Debugging extension)
		PSE (Page size extension)
		TSC (Time stamp counter)
		MSR (Model specific registers)
		PAE (Physical address extension)
		MCE (Machine check exception)
		CX8 (CMPXCHG8 instruction supported)
		APIC (On-chip APIC hardware supported)
		SEP (Fast system call)
		MTRR (Memory type range registers)
		PGE (Page global enable)
		MCA (Machine check architecture)
		CMOV (Conditional move instruction supported)
		PAT (Page attribute table)
		PSE-36 (36-bit page size extension)
		CLFSH (CLFLUSH instruction supported)
		MMX (MMX technology supported)
		FXSR (FXSAVE and FXSTOR instructions supported)
		SSE (Streaming SIMD extensions)
		SSE2 (Streaming SIMD extensions 2)
		HTT (Multi-threading)
	Version: AMD A8-7670K Radeon R7, 10 Compute Cores 4C+6G 

I've obvously forgot momething basic...

Any ideas?

Thanks alot,

Luciano.
-- 
 /"\                         /Via A. Salaino, 7 - 20144 Milano (Italy)
 \ /  ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN / PHONE : +39 2 485781 FAX: +39 2 48578250
  X   AGAINST HTML MAIL    /  E-MAIL: posthamster@sublink.sublink.ORG
 / \  AND POSTINGS        /   WWW: http://www.lesassaie.IT/

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Thu Feb  8 16:35:24 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D0A7F1197F
 for ;
 Thu,  8 Feb 2018 16:35:24 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu)
Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70])
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF7B70197
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 16:35:24 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu)
Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6])
 by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B92371803F;
 Thu,  8 Feb 2018 10:35:18 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Apache24 and WebDaV
To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
References: 
From: Valeri Galtsev 
Message-ID: 
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 10:35:18 -0600
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
 Thunderbird/52.5.2
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Content-Language: en-US
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 16:35:24 -0000



On 02/08/18 09:26, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote:
> I am transferring an existing WebDaV site running under Apache22 on
> CentOS to a FreeBSD-11 jail running Apache24.  I have transferred the
> Apache22 configuration file for this service to the Apache24 site and
> altered it to handle the changes in Apache24.
> 
> The service starts on the jail without error and I can attempt to
> connect to it from the Mate desktop file browser on my workstation.
> But I keep getting the error : Not a WebDAV enabled share.
> 
> I have searched for this error and found a discussion that says point
> blank that WebDAV is broken on Apache24.  I cannot believe this is
> true but I applied the suggested fix to the WebDaV directory
> configuration in Apache24 (add DirectoryIndex disabled). This changed
> nothing.

I have a bunch of servers with WebDAV that run under Apache 2.4 for 
quite some time. No problem with them all works as it should. Some were 
transferred from Apache 2.2. This is the moment to be careful: start 
with Apache 2.4 own configuration, and add blocks of config necessary to 
your particular stuff, but after taking them from apache 2.2 config 
file, you will need to rewrite them the way Apache 2.4 requires, which 
is different. (And checking which modules do you request loaded in new 
apache may help too).

Good luck!

Valeri

> 
> Does anyone here have a working WebDaV configuration for Apache24 that
> they could share with me so I can compare and discover if I have
> missed some obscure setting; or an Apache24 change thereto?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 

-- 
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Valeri Galtsev
Sr System Administrator
Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics
Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics
University of Chicago
Phone: 773-702-4247
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Thu Feb  8 17:49:22 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08EDEF16C60
 for ;
 Thu,  8 Feb 2018 17:49:22 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk)
Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196])
 (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FD1773238
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 17:49:20 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk)
Received: from roundcube.fjl.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w18Hn6IB090461
 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 17:49:07 GMT
 (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8;
 format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 17:49:06 +0000
From: Frank Leonhardt 
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Swap on SSD
Organization: FJL Microsystems
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
 
 
Message-ID: <8881bd8b8006cb246d6ef566e2a277fa@roundcube.fjl.org.uk>
X-Sender: frank2@fjl.co.uk
User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.9.2
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 17:49:22 -0000

On 2018-02-07 19:38, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
> On 2018-02-07, Frank Leonhardt  wrote:
> 
>> There seems to be some confusion on this list about swapping and 
>> paging.
>> Swapping is old hat. Basically when doing a context swap you wrote a
>> non-running process to a swap area to free up RAM space. We don't do
>> that anymore - we use demand paged virtual memory.
> 
> Demand paging was introduced in UNIX 32V and entered the BSD line
> with 3BSD.  That's around 1978-80, so almost forty years ago.

Yeah, but not everyone could afford an MMU until much later :-)

Did you ever run the UCSD P System? For some reason the keyboard driver 
got swapped out (on to 8" Floppy) and every time you hit the keyboard 
the drive went .


From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Thu Feb  8 17:59:03 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15F6F1776A
 for ;
 Thu,  8 Feb 2018 17:59:03 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk)
Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196])
 (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F5C3738D9
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 17:59:03 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk)
Received: from roundcube.fjl.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w18HwxYQ095660
 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 17:58:59 GMT
 (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8;
 format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 17:58:59 +0000
From: Frank Leonhardt 
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Swap on SSD
Organization: FJL Microsystems
In-Reply-To: <20180208075746.917d9319074bd831af69eacd@sohara.org>
References: 
 
 <396EC97D-AF5C-4D37-9172-7212B3B0BDDB@kreme.com>
 <20180208075746.917d9319074bd831af69eacd@sohara.org>
Message-ID: <17345a3e119a97154cf3e8bb40beb84f@roundcube.fjl.org.uk>
X-Sender: frank2@fjl.co.uk
User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.9.2
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 17:59:03 -0000

On 2018-02-08 07:57, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 00:38:02 -0700
> LuKreme  wrote:
> 
>> On Feb 7, 2018, at 08:18, Frank Leonhardt  wrote:
>> > Swap areas have been replaced by page areas on disk, but the name stuck.
>> 
>> Should the installer then be creating a dedicated swap partition? It
>> seems not.
> 
> 	Yes of course it should, it's the place where pages that aren't
> backed by storage can be written to when needed.

Possibly not as true today as it once was. You used to have a drive for 
swapping and/or paging, not a partition. It could be small and fast 
while the FS was on a large and slow drive. Using a partition instead of 
a drive doesn't give the same advantage.

When it was swapping the variable length process could be written 
sequentially to a slot on the swap file. Not so much with pages; they 
get fragmented whatever you put them on (file or partition). At least 
with a dedicated partition the head movements are short stroked - except 
when they're interleaved with FS accesses because it's all the same head 
anyway.

So why not use a page file instead? Or better still multiple page files 
spread across all available physical disks?

Some people might not know that you can add and remove multiple paging 
spaces even while the system is running. More here:

http://blog.frankleonhardt.com/2011/large-swap-files-on-freebsd-die-with-mystery-killed-howto-add-lots-of-swap-space/




From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Thu Feb  8 18:16:39 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07067F18C31
 for ;
 Thu,  8 Feb 2018 18:16:39 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk)
Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196])
 (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D0587488A
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 18:16:38 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk)
Received: from roundcube.fjl.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w18IGZnZ005348
 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 18:16:35 GMT
 (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8;
 format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 18:16:35 +0000
From: Frank Leonhardt 
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Apache24 and WebDaV
Organization: FJL Microsystems
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
 
Message-ID: 
X-Sender: frank2@fjl.co.uk
User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.9.2
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 18:16:39 -0000

On 2018-02-08 16:35, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
> On 02/08/18 09:26, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote:
>> I am transferring an existing WebDaV site running under Apache22 on
>> CentOS to a FreeBSD-11 jail running Apache24.  I have transferred the
>> Apache22 configuration file for this service to the Apache24 site and
>> altered it to handle the changes in Apache24.
>> 
>> The service starts on the jail without error and I can attempt to
>> connect to it from the Mate desktop file browser on my workstation.
>> But I keep getting the error : Not a WebDAV enabled share.
>> 
>> I have searched for this error and found a discussion that says point
>> blank that WebDAV is broken on Apache24.  I cannot believe this is
>> true but I applied the suggested fix to the WebDaV directory
>> configuration in Apache24 (add DirectoryIndex disabled). This changed
>> nothing.
> 
> I have a bunch of servers with WebDAV that run under Apache 2.4 for
> quite some time. No problem with them all works as it should. Some
> were transferred from Apache 2.2. This is the moment to be careful:
> start with Apache 2.4 own configuration, and add blocks of config
> necessary to your particular stuff, but after taking them from apache
> 2.2 config file, you will need to rewrite them the way Apache 2.4
> requires, which is different. (And checking which modules do you
> request loaded in new apache may help too).
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Valeri

This figures. IME using 2.2 files with 2.4 is a non-starter - too much 
has changed, including defaults.

FWIW I've used the move from Apache 2.2 to migrate to Nginx instead, and 
life is good so far.


From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Thu Feb  8 18:26:50 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B0DF19907
 for ;
 Thu,  8 Feb 2018 18:26:50 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk)
Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196])
 (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3450E74F6B
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 18:26:50 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk)
Received: from roundcube.fjl.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w18IQl8T010877
 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 18:26:47 GMT
 (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8;
 format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 18:26:47 +0000
From: Frank Leonhardt 
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Automount USB drive when connected
Organization: FJL Microsystems
In-Reply-To: <3BAACBF6-C4E0-44AA-AD5F-277D3C8267C0@kreme.com>
References: <3BAACBF6-C4E0-44AA-AD5F-277D3C8267C0@kreme.com>
Message-ID: <47f635317b7686004dc0697c3adc1cd3@roundcube.fjl.org.uk>
X-Sender: frank2@fjl.co.uk
User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.9.2
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 18:26:50 -0000

On 2018-02-05 18:00, Cerebus wrote:
> I have a USB enclosure that I'd like to  be able to walk up to the
> machine and plug in  and have a series of things happen:
> 
> 1) Disk mounts in /mnt/backup (or wherever, the key is it mounts
> without intervention)
> 2) a backup script I specify runs when the disk successfully mounts
> 3) when complete /mnt/backup unmounts
> 
> I've got step 2 (mostly), and step 3 is trivial, but I can't get step 1 
> working
> 
> (To be clear, this disk would never be present at startup. Basically,
> walk in, plug in drive, let the backup run, unplug the drive, and
> leave. I want this to work without requiring anyone to login)

Sorry for late reply...

You can probably do this using devd, the "state change" daemon. This can 
run arbitrary stuff when a hardware change is detected. "man devd" is a 
good place to start.

There's also the "autofs" driver, which I think relies on devd, and 
passes the request to automountd which does the business for you.

THAT SAID, when I've been in the situation you describe it has been 
having someone plug in a USB HD for an overnight backup, and unplug it 
the next morning. It was easier to have the cron job do it. One gotcha 
is that it won't mount a "dirty" FS, and that happened a lot. So the 
backup job first checked that the drive had appeared in /dev, then 
fscked the relevent partitions, then mounted it and carried on. Yes, it 
umounted it afterwards so it could safely be unplugged but....



From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Thu Feb  8 19:30:57 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B78BF1E511
 for ;
 Thu,  8 Feb 2018 19:30:57 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca)
Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca
 [216.185.71.28])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca",
 Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4661378358
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 19:30:57 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3087162440
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 14:30:55 -0500 (EST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca
Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1])
 by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new,
 port 10024)
 with ESMTP id B58xpbFNuJcF for ;
 Thu,  8 Feb 2018 14:30:52 -0500 (EST)
Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca
 [216.185.71.24])
 (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 27987623E4
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 14:30:52 -0500 (EST)
Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll)
 by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 14:30:52 -0500
Message-ID: 
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 14:30:52 -0500
Subject: ezjail question
From: "James B. Byrne" 
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca
User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
Importance: Normal
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 19:30:57 -0000

How does one prevent all defined jails from auto starting when the
host reboots?  I have this in /etc/rc.conf:

### Jailed Services
ezjail_enable="YES"               # Use EZJail to manage
jail_list="hll107"                # Space separated list of jails

But when I reboot the host all of the jails start and not just the one
I wish.

-- 
***          e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel          ***
        Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail
 Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail

James B. Byrne                mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca
Harte & Lyne Limited          http://www.harte-lyne.ca
9 Brockley Drive              vox: +1 905 561 1241
Hamilton, Ontario             fax: +1 905 561 0757
Canada  L8E 3C3


From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Thu Feb  8 19:54:55 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70863F2005D
 for ;
 Thu,  8 Feb 2018 19:54:55 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com)
Received: from smtpe.telissant.net (colgada.3dresearch.com [104.225.1.172])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2203C7987C
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 19:54:54 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com)
Received: from smtpe.telissant.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits))
 (No client certificate requested)
 by smtpe.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D00AF3AC97
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 14:40:03 -0500 (EST)
Received: from elettra.3dresearch.com (unknown [71.112.242.72])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits))
 (No client certificate requested)
 (Authenticated sender: elettra@colgada.3dresearch.com)
 by smtpe.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B97BF3AC96
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 14:40:03 -0500 (EST)
Received: from elettra.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by elettra.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B6FA321553C
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 14:40:02 -0500 (EST)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 14:39:37 -0500
From: Janos Dohanics 
To: FreeBSD Questions 
Subject: security/cyrus-sasl2
Message-Id: <20180208143937.d695443a5ea3a1952f185bab@3dresearch.com>
X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.4)
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 19:54:55 -0000

Hello,

I have just noticed that security/cyrus-sasl2 is broken on my FreeBSD
10.4-STABLE #0 r327958 box.

Apparently it broke after I have updated to cyrus-sasl-2.1.26_13.

Here are the symptoms:

- Adding a new user with saslpasswd2(8) apparently succeeds (no error)
but testsaslauthd fails to authenticate the newly added user.

- Users I know are in the database are authenticated "OK"
with testsaslauthd.

- The newly added user is returned by sasldblistusers2(8), but none of
the users who I know should be in the database (and authnticated with
testsaslauthd) are returned.

All the relevant ports are updated, and pkg check -d -a returns no
errors.

Has anyone seen this problem? What do you suggest to fix the problem?

-- 
Janos Dohanics

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Thu Feb  8 19:59:45 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F64AF2076D
 for ;
 Thu,  8 Feb 2018 19:59:45 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com)
Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6DB379E10
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 19:59:44 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim;
 c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1518119987; x=1520711987;
 h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info;
 bh=CVnNYltT5+BSEdwDp8nig27YM0s1sgL5l1qlhiGr/tg=;
 b=jpy3dsnmqhVX7Gd9eOY/vWrKGPJC26BhHx9UDGt0nlquT/MryeKHq+9Vl2XIX3JAp+ei2f2Kv/Sw3G0E7YOD8aqiarKg9hU0NEfF23zmzzr6bj5artAJUh+/M1boX6x0YsfrDO/DR8+ZJv4cyv1KqNrbXjBqlR5QFNyteesyLco=
X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi44ZTAwMDAwMDI2YTZhYS5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw==
Received: from r2.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com
 (r2.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com [54.186.58.227]) by bca2.email-od.com
 with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256);
 Thu, 8 Feb 2018 14:59:41 -0500
Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by
 r2.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com
 with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256);
 Thu, 8 Feb 2018 14:59:39 -0500
Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org)
 by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.90 (FreeBSD))
 (envelope-from ) id 1ejsM4-000PAG-Fp
 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 08 Feb 2018 19:59:36 +0000
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 19:59:36 +0000
From: Steve O'Hara-Smith 
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Swap on SSD
Message-Id: <20180208195936.a846d1d371046b84658bd711@sohara.org>
In-Reply-To: <17345a3e119a97154cf3e8bb40beb84f@roundcube.fjl.org.uk>
References: 
 
 <396EC97D-AF5C-4D37-9172-7212B3B0BDDB@kreme.com>
 <20180208075746.917d9319074bd831af69eacd@sohara.org>
 <17345a3e119a97154cf3e8bb40beb84f@roundcube.fjl.org.uk>
X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0)
X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett"
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 19:59:45 -0000

On Thu, 08 Feb 2018 17:58:59 +0000
Frank Leonhardt  wrote:

> So why not use a page file instead? Or better still multiple page files 
> spread across all available physical disks?

	You don't want the overhead of going through a file system to get
to the swap pages, but having swap interleaved over all physical discs is a
good thing to do if you actually allow the swap to be used significantly.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith 

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Thu Feb  8 21:32:40 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15028F06A83
 for ;
 Thu,  8 Feb 2018 21:32:40 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com)
Received: from mail-vk0-x231.google.com (mail-vk0-x231.google.com
 [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::231])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits))
 (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com",
 Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACD2F7F522
 for ; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 21:32:39 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com)
Received: by mail-vk0-x231.google.com with SMTP id a63so3654509vkg.6
 for ; Thu, 08 Feb 2018 13:32:39 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
 d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623;
 h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to
 :cc; bh=iI7NmZ6vwGVsIRzpnh+RxIR1x42e9osZrUlqEkCnDwU=;
 b=oXLuTAosiL7wm95jHRK3DmQF0/EJByQc4NnSBz4Jx4M/XP7dIQr+V9Ii+8Xj67Mjso
 wnTDiwAu3LTVvxmF8ttMfJtIsF5jVIF/06zjEJEBbYNKbLYPVwmXVFZkgMIuiKe/eq1E
 tXzJ2La24ArylEffV1Ib+gJPjjsHCvmbHcc9UnJ5LygyVqSy7DUxD+M4FxCLOBYTR2Ir
 aYSuYbEQvQqekiHpYgNFuCC2Kt7I9VQfWblPIhjcaLrx6l8WaIU0We2yAUZ9qaLjRWbK
 f8zYLwgT9QAZG7shJlVaUDMuFKcp6OarqgVR8RonJ1+X4yn1Z4U9NsY8/0tgjiT59uOq
 IgNA==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
 d=1e100.net; s=20161025;
 h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date
 :message-id:subject:to:cc;
 bh=iI7NmZ6vwGVsIRzpnh+RxIR1x42e9osZrUlqEkCnDwU=;
 b=SKNcTwBPY1J7JtfAXgzXdUx61Kt3omfw1gndLIP82oJOscI8GJPJMyOxUZL3paaHV1
 rGlse5WXw2exxOnfqrb7+dJ+Z0nGackMBHpXs1gPSh0z+ZqpA00ldDk4yOOuidNpc0gy
 LaSJq2pTUevyZZHqJTITCrnSd87GwdR6re3/WwTyonAi+s6WDjUbVC7MFtxwvk3JvcA9
 FHoxovRNmdqOaKOrryR4VagBUGSJopSxux/2jjN6BtqKh0SaCNx/aGHtN6KDXq7TEL25
 430Xc98Wit37Iip/w701xiOO8od6rVLJJ2NZZhXMlt35qRXo92Dpez+GELiPWedTDWGN
 pg9A==
X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPCB9PLPPBh9KwKTLpfjJdA4D5i9jIcH7uFRzw5Dz7XvV/5fnLRZ
 j1sduluHUxve4RmYbP6CgsBrQmnZsVvODvLImlT00qcZ
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x225/mj7KKtx+BtoF4fEGJzlEcSyZbKPDsHYLHHPOR5JlVFubnRcbkAvN+GZDnYpMKzRZNOkFRijdMPOvlnfjiaM=
X-Received: by 10.31.182.214 with SMTP id g205mr495851vkf.42.1518125559202;
 Thu, 08 Feb 2018 13:32:39 -0800 (PST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.103.145.29 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 13:32:38 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
From: Alejandro Imass 
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 16:32:38 -0500
Message-ID: 
Subject: Re: ezjail question
To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca
Cc: FreeBSD Questions 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 21:32:40 -0000

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 2:30 PM, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions
 wrote:
> How does one prevent all defined jails from auto starting when the
> host reboots?  I have this in /etc/rc.conf:
>

man ezjail-admin

Look for ezjail-admin config and the norun option. Usually you will do
all your admin chores via ezjail-admin and not editing files although
for some stuff you may need to edit a file once in a while.

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Fri Feb  9 02:29:50 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63962F1B59C
 for ;
 Fri,  9 Feb 2018 02:29:50 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com)
Received: from mail.covisp.net (www.covisp.net [65.121.55.45])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 136526BDC9
 for ; Fri,  9 Feb 2018 02:29:49 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com)
From: "@lbutlr" 
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Subject: Re: Swap on SSD
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 19:29:36 -0700
References: 
 
 <396EC97D-AF5C-4D37-9172-7212B3B0BDDB@kreme.com>
 <20180208075746.917d9319074bd831af69eacd@sohara.org>
To: Freebsd Questions 
In-Reply-To: <20180208075746.917d9319074bd831af69eacd@sohara.org>
Message-Id: <99D367C9-ADF4-41EB-8D4F-5D5F3B0C7ABF@kreme.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.10)
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 02:29:50 -0000

On 2018-02-08 (00:57 MST), Steve O'Hara-Smith  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 00:38:02 -0700
> LuKreme  wrote:
> 
>> On Feb 7, 2018, at 08:18, Frank Leonhardt  wrote:
>>> Swap areas have been replaced by page areas on disk, but the name stuck.
>> 
>> Should the installer then be creating a dedicated swap partition? It
>> seems not.
> 
> 	Yes of course it should, it's the place where pages that aren't
> backed by storage can be written to when needed.

That seems easily solved (just as well) by a swapfile.

-- 
They were the observers of the operation of the universe, its clerks,
its auditors. They saw to it that things spun and rocks fell. And they
believed that for a thing to exist it had to have a position in time and
space. Humanity had arrived as a nasty shock. Humanity practically was
things that didn't have a position in time and space, such as
imagination, pity, hope, history and belief. Take those away and all you
had was an ape that fell out of trees a lot. --The Thief of Time


From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Fri Feb  9 03:31:04 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52408F1FAC3
 for ;
 Fri,  9 Feb 2018 03:31:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com)
Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com
 [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE40E6E86C
 for ; Fri,  9 Feb 2018 03:31:03 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com)
Received: (qmail 36493 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2018 03:31:03 -0000
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com;
 h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding;
 s=8e8b.5a7d15f7.k1802; bh=BWFLaVaDeVL2Lgmirqv+XukbOyTadiY2ZqSNawNaSPQ=;
 b=Pzntg3VVF05JurattCvOgFpq0hcx0boCTZZyDIXPybxYIgZKIL3jEuFcWGqIV8lxl/XGFo0YMsjJLiFRZCbiA8IiMqSE4rROvAdx+839k6tmznhNdvkjZlHRA79okGJWjj210wZHF/GY45Rr4MHHKpO58F/BuS+v3XFJOlSdsWvrKLwQHeDWTFMcxEWbiM3UJMMNmVI5Oe02QI1xJJU3a4wjnjSxuzII8jAWSlY3Sxqgrk4MuG1HJiB21TN2xvJD
Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170])
 by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170])
 with ESMTP via TCP6; 09 Feb 2018 03:31:02 -0000
Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501)
 id A8EF11A74673; Thu,  8 Feb 2018 22:31:02 -0500 (EST)
Date: 8 Feb 2018 22:31:02 -0500
Message-Id: <20180209033102.A8EF11A74673@ary.qy>
From: "John Levine" 
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Cc: kremels@kreme.com
Subject: Re: Swap on SSD
In-Reply-To: <99D367C9-ADF4-41EB-8D4F-5D5F3B0C7ABF@kreme.com>
Organization: Taughannock Networks
X-Headerized: yes
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 03:31:04 -0000

In article <99D367C9-ADF4-41EB-8D4F-5D5F3B0C7ABF@kreme.com> you write:
>>> Should the installer then be creating a dedicated swap partition? It
>>> seems not.
>> 
>> 	Yes of course it should, it's the place where pages that aren't
>> backed by storage can be written to when needed.
>
>That seems easily solved (just as well) by a swapfile.

FreeBSD lets you have either or both, but a swap partition is faster.

If you use a swap partition, block N is at disk location B+N where B
is the base of the partition.  If you use a swapfile, you have inodes
and indirect blocks and such, so random access to a large swapfile
might have to read one or two overhead blocks for every swap block.



From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Fri Feb  9 04:46:31 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FC4F0346F
 for ;
 Fri,  9 Feb 2018 04:46:30 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from ilovefd@topaz.plala.or.jp)
Received: from msa04y.plala.or.jp (msa04.plala.or.jp [58.93.240.4])
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3DA71254
 for ; Fri,  9 Feb 2018 04:46:28 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from ilovefd@topaz.plala.or.jp)
Received: from msc02.plala.or.jp ([172.23.12.32]) by msa03y.plala.or.jp
 with ESMTP
 id <20180209044311.BNHA20151.msa03y.plala.or.jp@msc02.plala.or.jp>
 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2018 13:43:11 +0900
Received: from [192.168.89.79] (really [150.29.113.55])
 by msc02.plala.or.jp with ESMTP
 id <20180209044311.DIX31926.msc02.plala.or.jp@[192.168.89.79]>
 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2018 13:43:11 +0900
From: ilovefd 
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\))
Subject: X11vnc on FreeBSD10.4-p3 doesn't work on GA-N3050-d3h.
Message-Id: <2A38BD12-B297-4D91-9B75-E9E11B9D6CA7@topaz.plala.or.jp>
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 13:43:11 +0900
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273)
X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa03m; Fri, 9 Feb 2018 13:43:11 +0900
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 04:46:31 -0000

Hi all

I am Yoshi.


I have troubles with x11vnc on FreeBSD10.4-p3.

First, =E2=80=9Cstartx=E2=80=9D failed and said that it could not find =
video driver  when I installed FreeBSD10.4-p3 and Mate to GA-N3050N-D3H.

That is why I wrote to use scfb driver in =
/usr/local/etc/xorg.conf/driver-scfb.conf.

It worked well but not so fast but enough for me.

Second,  I added  x11vnc and started it as below:

 root@mysql:/usr/home/ccmail # cat vnc.sh
#!/usr/local/bin/bash
x11vnc -rfbauth ~/.vnc/passwd -forever -display :0 &

root@mysql:/usr/home/ccmail #=20

But, it doesn=E2=80=99t work as below. Could anyone let me know the =
reason of my trouble?


$ ./vnc.sh
$ 08/02/2018 13:35:14 passing arg to libvncserver: -rfbauth
08/02/2018 13:35:14 passing arg to libvncserver: =
/home/ccmail/.vnc/passwd
08/02/2018 13:35:14 x11vnc version: 0.9.13 lastmod: 2011-08-10  pid: =
1428
08/02/2018 13:35:14 Using X display :0
08/02/2018 13:35:14 rootwin: 0x25d reswin: 0x2800001 dpy: 0x4c35000
08/02/2018 13:35:14=20
08/02/2018 13:35:14 ------------------ USEFUL INFORMATION =
------------------
08/02/2018 13:35:14 X DAMAGE available on display, using it for polling =
hints.
08/02/2018 13:35:14   To disable this behavior use: '-noxdamage'
08/02/2018 13:35:14=20
08/02/2018 13:35:14   Most compositing window managers like 'compiz' or =
'beryl'
08/02/2018 13:35:14   cause X DAMAGE to fail, and so you may not see any =
screen
08/02/2018 13:35:14   updates via VNC.  Either disable 'compiz' =
(recommended) or
08/02/2018 13:35:14   supply the x11vnc '-noxdamage' command line =
option.
08/02/2018 13:35:14=20
08/02/2018 13:35:14 Wireframing: -wireframe mode is in effect for window =
moves.
08/02/2018 13:35:14   If this yields undesired behavior (poor response, =
painting
08/02/2018 13:35:14   errors, etc) it may be disabled:
08/02/2018 13:35:14    - use '-nowf' to disable wireframing completely.
08/02/2018 13:35:14    - use '-nowcr' to disable the Copy Rectangle =
after the
08/02/2018 13:35:14      moved window is released in the new position.
08/02/2018 13:35:14   Also see the -help entry for tuning parameters.
08/02/2018 13:35:14   You can press 3 Alt_L's (Left "Alt" key) in a row =
to=20
08/02/2018 13:35:14   repaint the screen, also see the -fixscreen option =
for
08/02/2018 13:35:14   periodic repaints.
08/02/2018 13:35:14=20
08/02/2018 13:35:14 XFIXES available on display, resetting cursor mode
08/02/2018 13:35:14   to: '-cursor most'.
08/02/2018 13:35:14   to disable this behavior use: '-cursor arrow'
08/02/2018 13:35:14   or '-noxfixes'.
08/02/2018 13:35:14 using XFIXES for cursor drawing.
08/02/2018 13:35:14 GrabServer control via XTEST.
08/02/2018 13:35:14=20
08/02/2018 13:35:14 Scroll Detection: -scrollcopyrect mode is in effect =
to
08/02/2018 13:35:14   use RECORD extension to try to detect scrolling =
windows
08/02/2018 13:35:14   (induced by either user keystroke or mouse input).
08/02/2018 13:35:14   If this yields undesired behavior (poor response, =
painting
08/02/2018 13:35:14   errors, etc) it may be disabled via: '-noscr'
08/02/2018 13:35:14   Also see the -help entry for tuning parameters.
08/02/2018 13:35:14   You can press 3 Alt_L's (Left "Alt" key) in a row =
to=20
08/02/2018 13:35:14   repaint the screen, also see the -fixscreen option =
for
08/02/2018 13:35:14   periodic repaints.
08/02/2018 13:35:14=20
08/02/2018 13:35:14 XKEYBOARD: number of keysyms per keycode 7 is =
greater
08/02/2018 13:35:14   than 4 and 51 keysyms are mapped above 4.
08/02/2018 13:35:14   Automatically switching to -xkb mode.
08/02/2018 13:35:14   If this makes the key mapping worse you can
08/02/2018 13:35:14   disable it with the "-noxkb" option.
08/02/2018 13:35:14   Also, remember "-remap DEAD" for accenting =
characters.
08/02/2018 13:35:14=20
08/02/2018 13:35:14 X FBPM extension not supported.
08/02/2018 13:35:14 X display is not capable of DPMS.
08/02/2018 13:35:14 =
--------------------------------------------------------
08/02/2018 13:35:14=20
08/02/2018 13:35:14 Default visual ID: 0x21
08/02/2018 13:35:14 Read initial data from X display into framebuffer.
08/02/2018 13:35:14 initialize_screen: fb_depth/fb_bpp/fb_Bpl 24/32/6400
08/02/2018 13:35:14=20
08/02/2018 13:35:14 X display :0 is 32bpp depth=3D24 true color
08/02/2018 13:35:14=20
08/02/2018 13:35:14 Autoprobing TCP port=20
08/02/2018 13:35:14 Autoprobing selected port 5900
08/02/2018 13:35:14 Listening also on IPv6 port 5900 (socket 10)
08/02/2018 13:35:14=20
08/02/2018 13:35:14 Xinerama is present and active (e.g. multi-head).
08/02/2018 13:35:14 Xinerama: number of sub-screens: 1
08/02/2018 13:35:14 Xinerama: no blackouts needed (only one sub-screen)
08/02/2018 13:35:14=20
08/02/2018 13:35:14 fb read rate: 538 MB/sec
08/02/2018 13:35:14 fast read: reset -wait  ms to: 10
08/02/2018 13:35:14 fast read: reset -defer ms to: 10
08/02/2018 13:35:14 The X server says there are 10 mouse buttons.
08/02/2018 13:35:14 screen setup finished.
08/02/2018 13:35:14=20

The VNC desktop is:      mysql:0
PORT=3D5900

=
**************************************************************************=
****
Have you tried the x11vnc '-ncache' VNC client-side pixel caching =
feature yet?

The scheme stores pixel data offscreen on the VNC viewer side for faster
retrieval.  It should work with any VNC viewer.  Try it by running:

    x11vnc -ncache 10 ...

One can also add -ncache_cr for smooth 'copyrect' window motion.
More info: http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/faq.html#faq-client-caching





From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Fri Feb  9 07:16:38 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F109F0A77B
 for ;
 Fri,  9 Feb 2018 07:16:38 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from ilovefd@topaz.plala.or.jp)
Received: from msa03y.plala.or.jp (msa03.plala.or.jp [58.93.240.3])
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB43D758E8
 for ; Fri,  9 Feb 2018 07:16:36 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from ilovefd@topaz.plala.or.jp)
Received: from msc02.plala.or.jp ([172.23.12.32]) by msa03y.plala.or.jp
 with ESMTP
 id <20180209071634.CPPF20151.msa03y.plala.or.jp@msc02.plala.or.jp>
 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2018 16:16:34 +0900
Received: from [192.168.89.79] (really [150.29.113.55])
 by msc02.plala.or.jp with ESMTP
 id <20180209071634.GAU31926.msc02.plala.or.jp@[192.168.89.79]>
 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2018 16:16:34 +0900
From: ilovefd 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\))
Subject: Re: X11vnc on FreeBSD10.4-p3 doesn't work on GA-N3050-d3h.
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 16:16:34 +0900
References: <2A38BD12-B297-4D91-9B75-E9E11B9D6CA7@topaz.plala.or.jp>
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
In-Reply-To: <2A38BD12-B297-4D91-9B75-E9E11B9D6CA7@topaz.plala.or.jp>
Message-Id: 
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273)
X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa03m; Fri, 9 Feb 2018 16:16:34 +0900
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 07:16:38 -0000

I tried net/tightvnc and worked well.

But, x11vnc has not work in FreeBSD10.4 yet.


> 2018/02/09 13:43=E3=80=81ilovefd =
=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>=20
> Hi all
>=20
> I am Yoshi.
>=20
>=20
> I have troubles with x11vnc on FreeBSD10.4-p3.
>=20
> First, =E2=80=9Cstartx=E2=80=9D failed and said that it could not find =
video driver  when I installed FreeBSD10.4-p3 and Mate to GA-N3050N-D3H.
>=20
> That is why I wrote to use scfb driver in =
/usr/local/etc/xorg.conf/driver-scfb.conf.
>=20
> It worked well but not so fast but enough for me.
>=20
> Second,  I added  x11vnc and started it as below:
>=20
> root@mysql:/usr/home/ccmail # cat vnc.sh
> #!/usr/local/bin/bash
> x11vnc -rfbauth ~/.vnc/passwd -forever -display :0 &
>=20
> root@mysql:/usr/home/ccmail #=20
>=20
> But, it doesn=E2=80=99t work as below. Could anyone let me know the =
reason of my trouble?
>=20
>=20
> $ ./vnc.sh
> $ 08/02/2018 13:35:14 passing arg to libvncserver: -rfbauth
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 passing arg to libvncserver: =
/home/ccmail/.vnc/passwd
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 x11vnc version: 0.9.13 lastmod: 2011-08-10  pid: =
1428
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 Using X display :0
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 rootwin: 0x25d reswin: 0x2800001 dpy: 0x4c35000
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14=20
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 ------------------ USEFUL INFORMATION =
------------------
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 X DAMAGE available on display, using it for =
polling hints.
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   To disable this behavior use: '-noxdamage'
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14=20
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   Most compositing window managers like 'compiz' =
or 'beryl'
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   cause X DAMAGE to fail, and so you may not see =
any screen
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   updates via VNC.  Either disable 'compiz' =
(recommended) or
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   supply the x11vnc '-noxdamage' command line =
option.
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14=20
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 Wireframing: -wireframe mode is in effect for =
window moves.
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   If this yields undesired behavior (poor =
response, painting
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   errors, etc) it may be disabled:
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14    - use '-nowf' to disable wireframing =
completely.
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14    - use '-nowcr' to disable the Copy Rectangle =
after the
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14      moved window is released in the new position.
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   Also see the -help entry for tuning parameters.
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   You can press 3 Alt_L's (Left "Alt" key) in a =
row to=20
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   repaint the screen, also see the -fixscreen =
option for
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   periodic repaints.
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14=20
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 XFIXES available on display, resetting cursor mode
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   to: '-cursor most'.
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   to disable this behavior use: '-cursor arrow'
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   or '-noxfixes'.
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 using XFIXES for cursor drawing.
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 GrabServer control via XTEST.
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14=20
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 Scroll Detection: -scrollcopyrect mode is in =
effect to
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   use RECORD extension to try to detect scrolling =
windows
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   (induced by either user keystroke or mouse =
input).
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   If this yields undesired behavior (poor =
response, painting
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   errors, etc) it may be disabled via: '-noscr'
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   Also see the -help entry for tuning parameters.
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   You can press 3 Alt_L's (Left "Alt" key) in a =
row to=20
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   repaint the screen, also see the -fixscreen =
option for
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   periodic repaints.
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14=20
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 XKEYBOARD: number of keysyms per keycode 7 is =
greater
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   than 4 and 51 keysyms are mapped above 4.
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   Automatically switching to -xkb mode.
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   If this makes the key mapping worse you can
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   disable it with the "-noxkb" option.
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14   Also, remember "-remap DEAD" for accenting =
characters.
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14=20
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 X FBPM extension not supported.
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 X display is not capable of DPMS.
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 =
--------------------------------------------------------
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14=20
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 Default visual ID: 0x21
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 Read initial data from X display into framebuffer.
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 initialize_screen: fb_depth/fb_bpp/fb_Bpl =
24/32/6400
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14=20
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 X display :0 is 32bpp depth=3D24 true color
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14=20
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 Autoprobing TCP port=20
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 Autoprobing selected port 5900
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 Listening also on IPv6 port 5900 (socket 10)
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14=20
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 Xinerama is present and active (e.g. multi-head).
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 Xinerama: number of sub-screens: 1
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 Xinerama: no blackouts needed (only one =
sub-screen)
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14=20
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 fb read rate: 538 MB/sec
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 fast read: reset -wait  ms to: 10
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 fast read: reset -defer ms to: 10
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 The X server says there are 10 mouse buttons.
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14 screen setup finished.
> 08/02/2018 13:35:14=20
>=20
> The VNC desktop is:      mysql:0
> PORT=3D5900
>=20
> =
**************************************************************************=
****
> Have you tried the x11vnc '-ncache' VNC client-side pixel caching =
feature yet?
>=20
> The scheme stores pixel data offscreen on the VNC viewer side for =
faster
> retrieval.  It should work with any VNC viewer.  Try it by running:
>=20
>    x11vnc -ncache 10 ...
>=20
> One can also add -ncache_cr for smooth 'copyrect' window motion.
> More info: http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/faq.html#faq-client-caching
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> _______________________________________________
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to =
"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"


From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Fri Feb  9 11:11:27 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C29DF1A64C
 for ;
 Fri,  9 Feb 2018 11:11:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@sdf.org)
Received: from mx.sdf.org (ol.sdf.org [205.166.94.20])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "ol.sdf.org", Issuer "ol.sdf.org" (not verified))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E064E7DD43
 for ; Fri,  9 Feb 2018 11:11:26 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from bennett@sdf.org)
Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:bennett@sdf.lonestar.org [205.166.94.15])
 by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id w199RTuj002509
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); 
 Fri, 9 Feb 2018 09:27:30 GMT
Received: (from bennett@localhost)
 by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id w199RTUb000577;
 Fri, 9 Feb 2018 03:27:29 -0600 (CST)
From: Scott Bennett 
Message-Id: <201802090927.w199RTUb000577@sdf.org>
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 03:27:29 -0600
To: frank2@fjl.co.uk
Subject: Re: Swap on SSD
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
References: <201802081348.w18DmixL004019@sdf.org>
 <1bd290a94a204f540eac45ac2112c11b@roundcube.fjl.org.uk>
In-Reply-To: <1bd290a94a204f540eac45ac2112c11b@roundcube.fjl.org.uk>
User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.5 6/20/10
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 11:11:27 -0000

Frank Leonhardt  wrote:

> On 2018-02-08 13:48, Scott Bennett wrote:
> > On Wed, 07 Feb 2018 15:01:07 +0000 Frank Leonhardt 
> > wrote
> >> On 2018-02-05 18:53, Robert Huff wrote:
> >>> Frank Leonhardt writes:
> >>> 
> >>>>  FreeBSD doesn't actually swap these days; uses demand paging.
> >>> 
> >>> 	Possible evidence to the contrary:
> >>> 	On a system running:
> >>> 
> >>> FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT #0 r326723: Sat Dec  9 12:30:04 EST 2017 amd64
> >>> 
> >>> 	top shows:
> >>> 
> >>> last pid: 57956;  load averages:  2.02,  2.01,  1.95   up 57+19:09:04
> >>> 13:49:29
> >>> 132 processes: 3 running, 129 sleeping
> >>> CPU: 38.7% user,  0.4% nice,  7.9% system,  0.0% interrupt, 53.0% 
> >>> idle
> >>> Mem: 2264M Active, 2303M Inact, 1478M Laundry, 1525M Wired, 761M Buf,
> >>> 115M Free
> >>> Swap: 17G Total, 996M Used, 16G Free, 5% Inuse
> >>> 
> >>> 	So ... is "Swap" an incorrect label, or is actual swapping
> >>> going on?
> >> 
> >> Yes, it's an incorrect label.
> >> 
> >      Well, yes and no.  The "swap" space can be used for both paging 
> > and
> > swapping in BSD UNIX.  Note that to swap a process out does *not* 
> > require
> > writing all of its in-memory pages' content to the swap area, but 
> > rather
> > enough of them to satisfy the system's need for available page frames 
> > at
> > the time, and it also requires marking the process as "swapped out", so
> > that the scheduler knows that the process has been temporarily 
> > deactivated.
> > The "swapped out" status also makes any of the process's pages still in
> > memory prime fodder for the pagedaemon to harvest to continue to fill 
> > the
> > system's needs.
> >      And on Wed, 07 Feb 2018 15:18:15 +0000 he also wrote:
> >> On 2018-02-05 20:08, John R. Levine wrote:
> >>> In article <24BAEBB4-FAA7-47C8-A6FC-32839063666F@kreme.com>, LuKreme
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>> On Feb 5, 2018, at 09:13, Frank Leonhardt  wrote:
> >>>>> FreeBSD doesn't actually swap these days; uses demand paging. This
> >>>>> means that blocks of RAM that are hardly ever used can get
> >>>> copied to disk. This may include some stuff that's only accessed a 
> >>>> few
> >>>> times a year, but would otherwise be occupying precious
> >>>> RAM that would be much more useful as a disk cache. That said, 
> >>>> FreeBSD
> >>>> tends not to page out except as a last resort - probably a
> >>>> mistake but I can't prove it.
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On one of my BSD cloud virtual machines I have a server process that
> >>> slurps in about a gigabyte of stuff into a very large perl table, 
> >>> then
> >>> sits there and answers queries from that table.  The system swaps 
> >>> like
> >>> crazy for a few seconds while it's loading up the table, then quiets
> >>> down and reads a few pages a second from the swap as the queries come
> >>> in. That's about the worst case, and only becasue I'm a cheapskate 
> >>> and
> >>> don't want to pay for a larger VM where everything would fit in RAM.
> >> 
> >> On a VM you have no idea whether anything is on disk or in RAM - 
> >> chances
> >> are in this case your swap partition is in the hypervisor's disk 
> >> cache.
> >> 
> >      Quite right.
> > 
> >> ---------------
> >> 
> >> There seems to be some confusion on this list about swapping and 
> >> paging.
> >> Swapping is old hat. Basically when doing a context swap you wrote a
> >> non-running process to a swap area to free up RAM space. We don't do
> > 
> >      Sort of right.  See what I wrote above in response to your other
> > message.
> > 
> >> that anymore - we use demand paged virtual memory. All processes
> > 
> >      Dead wrong.  BSD UNIX is still quite capable of doing both 
> > swapping
> > and paging.  Try loading your system to a load average of, say, at 
> > least
> > 15-20 times the number of CPU threads (a.k.a. logical CPUs) with 
> > processes
> > that need large working sets relative to the physical memory of the 
> > machine
> > and/or are very CPU-bound.  You don't typically see any of the BSDs 
> > actively
> > swapping, but they can, and they will when any number of pathological 
> > loads
> > are bogging the system down, so that the system can recover to get some 
> > work
> > done.  There is a hysteresis involved, so that the demands on the 
> > system's
> > various resources must have returned to much lower levels before 
> > swapped-out
> > processes may begin to be swapped back into memory and their execution
> > resumed.  Someone else (my apologies for having forgotten who) posted a 
> > brief
> > note to this effect in this discussion already, but perhaps you missed 
> > it.
> > 
> >> potentially remain resident, but some of their memory map may be paged
> >> out to disk to free up RAM. If the process tries to access such a page
> >> the MMU interrupts the kernel, which loads in the missing page and 
> >> uses
> >> the MMU to put it back in the process space at the right location 
> >> before
> >> returning control.
> >> 
> >> I'm not being pedantic here - the difference between swapped and paged
> >> systems is very significant if you're optimising disk/RAM usage.
> >> 
> >> Swap areas have been replaced by page areas on disk, but the name 
> >> stuck.
> > 
> >      No, they haven't, but they did become "dual-use" spaces back in 
> > 3.0BSD.
> > See above.
> > 
> >> A bit like core store - I haven't used core store since the 1980's but
> >> we still have "core dumps". Youngsters in the office look at me oddly
> >> when I use terms like core and DASD...
> >> 
> >      ...and disk packs, selector channels, cards, line printers, and... 
> > :-)
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> Thanks - interesting! I was looking at the FreeBSD VM code several years 
> ago, and it rings a bell but I wasn't sure whether what I was looking at 
> was actually in use. I was investigating what was happening in low 
> memory conditions, and basically concluded that it picked the largest 
> process and simply killed it.

     I have had swapping happen, from 4.3BSD to maybe FreeBSD 7.3, on a few
occasions, no more than once per release.  In all cases, the system was
horribly bogged down and nearly unresponsive interactively until enough
processes had been swapped out.  The swapping eventually did allow the system
to resume functioning well enough that I could then figure out what had gone
wrong and how to deal with it.  Usually when things get bad enough to trigger
swapping, they are really, really bad, so even with swapping doing its job,
system responsiveness may still be far less than desirable, and corrective
actions may be delayed in actually getting run, but at least they become
possible again because of swapping.  The main caveat is that your corrective
commands may also be swapped out before completion, so plan carefully, and
use only commands with very small resource requirements. :-)  But one also
quickly learns to avoid most of the ways such situations might develop lest
one suffer such pain again, so most sysadmins don't experience this class of
thrillers very many times.
>
> I like the idea of BSD still swapping on occasion, so I'm glad to hear 
> it does. Do you happen to know if Linux can?

     No, I don't.  I have next to zero experience with LINUX systems.
     However, LINUX was originally designed to be a SysV workalike, based
upon SysVR2.3 or SysVR2.4, with several BSDisms grafted on, including a
networking stack and Sun's NFS and NIS, and the BSD FFS (essentially all
UNIXes, except actual AT&T SysV UNIX, ad{o,a}pted the FFS).  IIRC, SysVR2.3+
implemented demand paging and kept its swapping mechanism, as modified to
accommodate demand paging.  Therefore I would expect LINUX to have followed
that model initially, but I have no knowledge of the matter one way or
another, much less of what may have transpired in LINUX development since
that era.  There are many others on this list who would know the answer to
your question, I'm quite sure.
     It may be worth noting here that swapping in UNIX predates virtual
memory implementations.  Swapping is how many mini-computer operating system,
including UNIX, managed multiple on-line users with very limited memories
(i.e., often much less than 64 KB).  Virtual memory support in hardware
at first merely enabled swapping in such systems* to be made less violent and
extreme.  BSD UNIX was exceptional because its first virtual memory
implementation included demand paging.  *VMS was, IIRC, another exception.
>
> As to disk packs etc - they don't really exist except in reminiscences, 
> and then they know I'm talking about the old days. I still use the term 
> Winchester (or even mini-Wini) without thinking, and confuse everyone.
>
     As long as you don't slip and say, "RAMAC", instead of "Winchester",
you'll probably skate. :-)  Otherwise they may search you and your dwelling
for scarabs or coffins, check your latest dental X-rays, see whether your
blood still flows or has dried up, and so forth.


                                  Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG
**********************************************************************
* Internet:   bennett at sdf.org   *xor*   bennett at freeshell.org  *
*--------------------------------------------------------------------*
* "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good  *
* objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments *
* -- a standing army."                                               *
*    -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790         *
**********************************************************************

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Fri Feb  9 13:19:36 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA5AF0310F
 for ;
 Fri,  9 Feb 2018 13:19:36 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from starikarp@yandex.com)
Received: from forward102j.mail.yandex.net (forward102j.mail.yandex.net
 [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:801:2::102])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "forwards.mail.yandex.net", Issuer "Yandex CA" (verified OK))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFF8082ED4
 for ; Fri,  9 Feb 2018 13:19:35 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from starikarp@yandex.com)
Received: from mxback8o.mail.yandex.net (mxback8o.mail.yandex.net
 [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::22])
 by forward102j.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id C2F335605ACB
 for ; Fri,  9 Feb 2018 16:19:32 +0300 (MSK)
Received: from smtp3o.mail.yandex.net (smtp3o.mail.yandex.net
 [2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::27])
 by mxback8o.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id gKmMtFqD8I-JW3i0PpY; 
 Fri, 09 Feb 2018 16:19:32 +0300
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail;
 t=1518182372; bh=llMfgg3pVeZ03Q6jAgu9wtmHWTRCchqiCho4A7t07c4=;
 h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date;
 b=hbeWFEKl5nz/I1Q9Cd/s7XZH1V9w6nkBcWPiaWiYgOAHfUT3GLm305ICSP0zwMFGu
 Wor45axg2hz5864OHtGnhgf0QObpQrqac7zqh4kZ6TdbXaLhB0dSnL9ei4A/s3ZRXb
 NekwCdaDLMbLXXZpmAC287te/l6kQWWR+N7fna7Y=
Received: by smtp3o.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id
 SkA3dcaYIx-JVsmhDgN; Fri, 09 Feb 2018 16:19:31 +0300
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits))
 (Client certificate not present)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail;
 t=1518182371; bh=llMfgg3pVeZ03Q6jAgu9wtmHWTRCchqiCho4A7t07c4=;
 h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date;
 b=YehTW61QsXnwEkvesSrL0rdUhRLezPmNg746tIlnuRHfxcGU0nkzre8CILgOgBqEf
 EJfjuEFYNtsXQSbhPyF71zaoQkg8z/HZDPqUYw6be/AjyA/GpigSsClQPe00Xo1Iiv
 LL6j0Z3RQsH3io0jW8752cynvqrKWu/t/hD5jAAM=
Authentication-Results: smtp3o.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com
Message-ID: <1518182369.58302.1.camel@yandex.com>
Subject: gnome-keyring
From: Stari Karp 
To: FreeBSD Questions 
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 08:19:29 -0500
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
X-Mailer: Evolution 3.24.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 13:19:36 -0000

Hi!

I am using GNOME 3 and I start it with:
exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch --exit-with-
session/usr/local/bin/gnome-session >.xsession-errors 2>&1

My system is FreeBSD 11.1 Release (amd64) and all the time I am getting
messages:

gnome-keyring-daemon[97459]: asked to register item
/org/freedesktop/secrets/collection/Default_5fkeyring/4, but it's
already registered

I didn't find why.

Thank you.

SK


From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Fri Feb  9 15:39:26 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B6BF0CC3A
 for ;
 Fri,  9 Feb 2018 15:39:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raf@rafal.net)
Received: from fbo-2.mxes.net (mxout-22.mxes.net [216.86.168.222])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44A3A69241
 for ; Fri,  9 Feb 2018 15:39:25 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from raf@rafal.net)
Received: from smtp-out-1.mxes.net (smtp-out-1.mxes.net [67.222.241.250])
 by fbi-2.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6426D27500
 for ; Fri,  9 Feb 2018 10:32:25 -0500 (EST)
Received: from [192.168.40.37]
 (86-40-118-125-dynamic.agg2.bri.bbh-prp.eircom.net [86.40.118.125])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (No client certificate requested)
 by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F09842750E
 for ; Fri,  9 Feb 2018 10:32:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Rafal Lukawiecki 
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\))
Subject: pkg check --recompute and apache24 deleted files
Message-Id: 
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 15:32:10 +0000
To: "James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions" 
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20)
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 15:39:26 -0000

I have started seeing a longish list of warnings in daily security run =
output related to files which I have removed after installing apache24. =
This used not to happen in the past, it is a recent change, perhaps a =
month or so old. I do not need the =E2=80=9Cdefault=E2=80=9D web site =
that apache24 installation creates in /usr/local/www/apache24. For =
example, I get these:

    Checking for packages with mismatched checksums:
    apache24-2.4.29: missing file =
/usr/local/www/apache24/cgi-bin/printenv
    apache24-2.4.29: missing file =
/usr/local/www/apache24/cgi-bin/test-cgi
    apache24-2.4.29: missing file =
/usr/local/www/apache24/error/HTTP_BAD_GATEWAY.html.var
    =E2=80=A6

I thought I could use pkg check --recompute to suppress those, but it =
seems to have had no effect. Is there another way of telling pkg to stop =
listing those deletions in its security output?

Thank you for your kind assistance and my regards from Ireland,
Rafal
--
Rafal Lukawiecki
Data Scientist=20
Project Botticelli Ltd


From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Fri Feb  9 16:44:13 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D198F11BDE
 for ;
 Fri,  9 Feb 2018 16:44:13 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca)
Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca
 [216.185.71.28])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca",
 Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 074EA6C6F5
 for ; Fri,  9 Feb 2018 16:44:12 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402F3623A4
 for ; Fri,  9 Feb 2018 11:44:06 -0500 (EST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca
Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1])
 by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new,
 port 10024)
 with ESMTP id QuGm6ylzxq7o for ;
 Fri,  9 Feb 2018 11:44:04 -0500 (EST)
Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca
 [216.185.71.24])
 (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 110A462318
 for ; Fri,  9 Feb 2018 11:44:04 -0500 (EST)
Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll)
 by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Fri, 9 Feb 2018 11:44:04 -0500
Message-ID: <0ff8c58ea6d2aa3454f1a4661e79ecd7.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca>
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 11:44:04 -0500
Subject: Apache 2.4 
From: "James B. Byrne" 
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca
User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
Importance: Normal
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 16:44:13 -0000

I have Apache24 configured to load a virtual host. Viz:



  ServerName    hll107.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca
  DocumentRoot  /usr/local/www/apache24/data/hll_dav/upload
  LogLevel      debug

  ErrorLog      /var/log/httpd/apache24/webdav/webdav_error.x.log
  TransferLog   /var/log/httpd/apache24/webdav/webdav_access.x.log

# For Testing without ssl
# This traps anyone under the actual file-system root
# Just in case.
  
    Order allow,deny
    allow from all

    Options               Indexes MultiViews
    IndexOptions          FancyIndexing
    AddDefaultCharset     UTF-8

    AuthType              Basic
    AuthBasicProvider     file
    AuthName              ca.harte-lyne
    AuthUserFile          /usr/local/etc/apache24/access.d/.htpasswd

    Require               valid-user

# mod_dav_fs
    Dav On
    # No Sever Minimum Timeout on locks - let WebDaV clients decide
    DAVMinTimeout         0
    DAVDepthInfinity      Off
    LimitXMLRequestBody   96000000

  




In httpd.conf I have these statements:


ServerName    hll108.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca:80
Listen        192.168.216.108:80

ErrorLog      /var/log/httpd/apache24/httpd-error.log
LogLevel      debug


    AllowOverride none
    Require all denied


DocumentRoot "/usr/local/www/apache24/data"


    Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
    AllowOverride None
    Require all granted



    DirectoryIndex index.html


ErrorLog /var/log/httpd/apache24/httpd-error.log
LogLevel debug

CustomLog /var/log/httpd/apache24/httpd-access.log "common"

include etc/apache24/virtual.d/*.conf.x


Now the problems:

1. When I restart apache24 and do a netstat I do not see the virtual
host ip bound to port 80:

netstat -an | grep -i list
netstat: kvm not available: /dev/mem: No such file or directory
tcp4       0      0 192.168.216.108.80     *.*                    LISTEN
tcp4       0      0 127.0.107.1.25         *.*                    LISTEN
tcp4       0      0 192.168.216.107.22     *.*                    LISTEN
tcp4       0      0 127.0.107.1.53         *.*                    LISTEN


2. When I attempt to connect to the virtual host ipv4 address
192.168.216.107 I get this instead of a directory listing:

fetch -o - http://192.168.216.107
-                                               0% of   45  B    0 
Bps
It works!

-                                             100% of   45  B  293
kBps 00m00s

And in the logs I see this


ll
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  0 Feb  9 11:07 httpd-access.log
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  0 Feb  9 11:07 webdav_access.x.log
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  0 Feb  9 11:07 webdav_error.x.log

There are no entries made at all.

What is going on?  I do not care that I get the default site content
for the main host but why is the virtual host being redirected there
as well.  And where is the listener for 192.168.216.107:80?  Why do I
not see that in Netstat?


-- 
***          e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel          ***
        Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail
 Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail

James B. Byrne                mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca
Harte & Lyne Limited          http://www.harte-lyne.ca
9 Brockley Drive              vox: +1 905 561 1241
Hamilton, Ontario             fax: +1 905 561 0757
Canada  L8E 3C3


From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Fri Feb  9 17:16:09 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E3BAF14447
 for ;
 Fri,  9 Feb 2018 17:16:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br)
Received: from mail-yw0-x22d.google.com (mail-yw0-x22d.google.com
 [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22d])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits))
 (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com",
 Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 022B26DF6E
 for ; Fri,  9 Feb 2018 17:16:08 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br)
Received: by mail-yw0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id x62so5576461ywg.11
 for ; Fri, 09 Feb 2018 09:16:08 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta;
 h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to
 :cc; bh=U6oCisGi2HhiwTphve9ENheXlMKnUqgvVwwV+9uTMhw=;
 b=eC5FBPL3HJHLSeXgmmI2u0Eou+utvQNwO2rdf8ugN0wFngC+gVexQ6y4+9g70SueH6
 wVvh1WAVj8LjIs3H4rMpSRcCE2c7WCn/T25XvYEwl6gjXS6nIPesFKcCdOqeeITQXUcN
 Bj1yJ/V0Ne9KnTkgBcnf/K5BIwoq6Hv4sQisk=
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
 d=1e100.net; s=20161025;
 h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date
 :message-id:subject:to:cc;
 bh=U6oCisGi2HhiwTphve9ENheXlMKnUqgvVwwV+9uTMhw=;
 b=qc6kpLMgScG42vjcei0j/ST93NfXPObb9pIF1qqmYKdy+IrPBOQYLFD8/0iwqr9erE
 Z1WYWli9gbtbSpuDA0xMYnP4hR+knwoXhPxeW15b4eW33qqc4RVhN7k3+mrg5WOCKOpw
 hVeEd1jWkfcpDHWSx3Ddw/O1/wPtp3DeOE0K8kTr4MkigZnSd7GL0D6waEeGzlt8BmMr
 cwanaYJMutWqA4P5FT1ERbRre7ZqMVysraVI8TYzpKPpFfJlyKeRiJJH8gYjdq4rbL2B
 pHEaJhcZwMTkqI581nJNmRqDnzaU46eei5ev6IjM2tColYxFmeRNn5mpGnY2XGu929Ba
 wBvA==
X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPBFzZaJJ0rHexI/PljIWVGeQm79rDKfQJBi6G1Nj6JdkJBRD8lj
 7xcIA2OAqXYcMR1cskwFCz3pjaJBfHr/NXagUYlhfg==
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x227RGmNy7+aQKH6UBI0QSOFTX84eTPKRuS179Lgyp10KWQDGW79DmONoeM4Rs3weNJhxBEctohLFwdqB76MS4Tg=
X-Received: by 10.129.38.214 with SMTP id m205mr2510643ywm.436.1518196567542; 
 Fri, 09 Feb 2018 09:16:07 -0800 (PST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.37.139.142 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Feb 2018 09:16:06 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <0ff8c58ea6d2aa3454f1a4661e79ecd7.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca>
References: <0ff8c58ea6d2aa3454f1a4661e79ecd7.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca>
From: Mario Lobo 
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 14:16:06 -0300
Message-ID: 
Subject: Re: Apache 2.4
To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca
Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 17:16:09 -0000

Hi;

2018-02-09 13:44 GMT-03:00 James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions <
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>:

> I have Apache24 configured to load a virtual host. Viz:
>
> 
>
>   ServerName    hll107.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca
>   DocumentRoot  /usr/local/www/apache24/data/hll_dav/upload
>   LogLevel      debug
>
>   ErrorLog      /var/log/httpd/apache24/webdav/webdav_error.x.log
>   TransferLog   /var/log/httpd/apache24/webdav/webdav_access.x.log
>
> # For Testing without ssl
> # This traps anyone under the actual file-system root
> # Just in case.
>   
>     Order allow,deny
>     allow from all
>
>     Options               Indexes MultiViews
>     IndexOptions          FancyIndexing
>     AddDefaultCharset     UTF-8
>
>     AuthType              Basic
>     AuthBasicProvider     file
>     AuthName              ca.harte-lyne
>     AuthUserFile          /usr/local/etc/apache24/access.d/.htpasswd
>
>     Require               valid-user
>
> # mod_dav_fs
>     Dav On
>     # No Sever Minimum Timeout on locks - let WebDaV clients decide
>     DAVMinTimeout         0
>     DAVDepthInfinity      Off
>     LimitXMLRequestBody   96000000
>
>   
> 
>
>
>
> In httpd.conf I have these statements:
>
>
> ServerName    hll108.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca:80
> Listen        192.168.216.108:80
>
> ErrorLog      /var/log/httpd/apache24/httpd-error.log
> LogLevel      debug
>
> 
>     AllowOverride none
>     Require all denied
> 
>
> DocumentRoot "/usr/local/www/apache24/data"
>
> 
>     Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
>     AllowOverride None
>     Require all granted
> 
>
> 
>     DirectoryIndex index.html
> 
>
> ErrorLog /var/log/httpd/apache24/httpd-error.log
> LogLevel debug
>
> CustomLog /var/log/httpd/apache24/httpd-access.log "common"
>
> include etc/apache24/virtual.d/*.conf.x
>
>
> Now the problems:
>
> 1. When I restart apache24 and do a netstat I do not see the virtual
> host ip bound to port 80:
>
> netstat -an | grep -i list
> netstat: kvm not available: /dev/mem: No such file or directory
> tcp4       0      0 192.168.216.108.80     *.*                    LISTEN
> tcp4       0      0 127.0.107.1.25         *.*                    LISTEN
> tcp4       0      0 192.168.216.107.22     *.*                    LISTEN
> tcp4       0      0 127.0.107.1.53         *.*                    LISTEN
>
>
> 2. When I attempt to connect to the virtual host ipv4 address
> 192.168.216.107 I get this instead of a directory listing:
>
> fetch -o - http://192.168.216.107
> -                                               0% of   45  B    0
> Bps
It works!

> -                                             100% of   45  B  293
> kBps 00m00s
>
> And in the logs I see this
>
>
> ll
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  0 Feb  9 11:07 httpd-access.log
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  0 Feb  9 11:07 webdav_access.x.log
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  0 Feb  9 11:07 webdav_error.x.log
>
> There are no entries made at all.
>
> What is going on?  I do not care that I get the default site content
> for the main host but why is the virtual host being redirected there
> as well.  And where is the listener for 192.168.216.107:80?  Why do I
> not see that in Netstat?
>
>
> --
> ***          e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel          ***
>         Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail
>  Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail
>
> James B. Byrne                mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca
> Harte & Lyne Limited          http://www.harte-lyne.ca
> 9 Brockley Drive              vox: +1 905 561 1241
> Hamilton, Ontario             fax: +1 905 561 0757
> Canada  L8E 3C3
>
> _______________________________________________
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-
> unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>

Hi;

I'm not sure about this but I believe that for apache to run on different
IPs you have to have different instances of it.

You can change a virtualhost port but not the Ip on which the instance of
apache is running.

-- 
Mario Lobo
http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br
FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!]

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Fri Feb  9 17:17:09 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F70F1456E
 for ;
 Fri,  9 Feb 2018 17:17:09 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from vbotka@gmail.com)
Received: from mail-wm0-x231.google.com (mail-wm0-x231.google.com
 [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::231])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits))
 (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com",
 Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C61F6E023
 for ; Fri,  9 Feb 2018 17:17:08 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from vbotka@gmail.com)
Received: by mail-wm0-x231.google.com with SMTP id g1so16652266wmg.2
 for ; Fri, 09 Feb 2018 09:17:08 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025;
 h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references
 :organization:mime-version;
 bh=KWhVE7136cAfRYKTuHsX9lNMy25wbGlrXuxEhQVljCY=;
 b=Ui31N17mJzIOc5QHIe5BhmGSTI2OexNaX2ytnWp8Exuzkvp1gUVoVREHqHIjBGUP1z
 HleCFS7Aa/qCHL/HDa2mAyZtn/n5OJBRcIw2O90PNAUmXS8JbUjyBxI1lO8FisW8G5LG
 dgzQXf4MFKIejTAjeBFV0nJPjd9jRkj0t4opA1YhK2kCam2YEIwt7Y2g67ro0dHKC3a4
 SnYDXCcXbXJsp1VRgeAGSixwo88267sjLYeEr9bLODLiTWvgdGK7b196t94WI1PAEMLJ
 lS2zZg+EH/IBaAsvitFjh3jwxS1a4UHX8xWlyva7f8KYEFCglUE4yjGv7M7M/5j6kwDb
 3GoA==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
 d=1e100.net; s=20161025;
 h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to
 :references:organization:mime-version;
 bh=KWhVE7136cAfRYKTuHsX9lNMy25wbGlrXuxEhQVljCY=;
 b=CaaclHuU4x1YZ5XMkQAxwDGyVur5Ec2ruL+rb7piqfmX4BBE8//k/3XgSEvrwTpq1p
 C4nVYstW9AWWTNvwvNmz6B9aOBqaM+sOAs9Nvu5DYm3S9B9zgyMpX3Qx4tC57mIRk8Uu
 DHODPs6HvUTjekk2pIgsrqKnMjrcImml2r+FCpiJy01Jt2ZFXZlADSYE4bO5jtH6+2cL
 1IXJToq/Zx37dY869JNdI0bzPr9EioGtbjBPb7HpHZA3S8qNftGCGjbko9o/fJ//ouo6
 eiQ/Q0AVckL+mzWyVvb+bYeS/Eg0YaSQqIc8HyLih+y8ffE+Myg+esXQ84Moi9Iylv2a
 9nQQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPCE6fXipcNyZv8EVZxhrJZWMZX+wOeBtMmON6XanCloUOlRZuJY
 /A0RRTE5PY1NRtqi739u++4R2GML
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x226VK0KFqYHGdtNpNkTG0Fr31M4ePvmOrctKdsaQHLiBrx6NhYfS2cF4N9Pqwc24EZULZKsaKg==
X-Received: by 10.28.17.17 with SMTP id 17mr2830155wmr.123.1518196627043;
 Fri, 09 Feb 2018 09:17:07 -0800 (PST)
Received: from planb.netng.org (ip-89-103-146-20.net.upcbroadband.cz.
 [89.103.146.20])
 by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x18sm4297126wrg.82.2018.02.09.09.17.06
 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256);
 Fri, 09 Feb 2018 09:17:06 -0800 (PST)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 18:17:04 +0100
From: Vladimir Botka 
To: "James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions" 
Cc: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca
Subject: Re: Apache 2.4
Message-ID: <20180209181704.4e44ffc8@planb.netng.org>
In-Reply-To: <0ff8c58ea6d2aa3454f1a4661e79ecd7.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca>
References: <0ff8c58ea6d2aa3454f1a4661e79ecd7.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca>
Organization: na
X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.0-dirty (GTK+ 2.24.31; i686-pc-linux-gnu)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256;
 boundary="Sig_/qS06_yVvQYvtS0TFceWvLWE"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 17:17:09 -0000

--Sig_/qS06_yVvQYvtS0TFceWvLWE
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi James,

On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 11:44:04 -0500
"James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions"
 wrote:

> I have Apache24 configured to load a virtual host. Viz:
> 
>=20
>   ServerName    hll107.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca
> [...]
> 1. When I restart apache24 and do a netstat I do not see the virtual
> host ip bound to port 80:
>=20
> netstat -an | grep -i list
> netstat: kvm not available: /dev/mem: No such file or directory
> tcp4       0      0 192.168.216.108.80     *.*                    LISTEN
> tcp4       0      0 127.0.107.1.25         *.*                    LISTEN
> tcp4       0      0 192.168.216.107.22     *.*                    LISTEN
> tcp4       0      0 127.0.107.1.53         *.*                    LISTEN

FWIW. Apache24 with virtual hosts (no DAV) installed with my
Ansible role works for me. https://galaxy.ansible.com/vbotka/apache/
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
tcp4       0      0 *.80                   *.*                    LISTEN
tcp6       0      0 *.80                   *.*                    LISTEN
tcp4       0      0 *.443                  *.*                    LISTEN
tcp6       0      0 *.443                  *.*                    LISTEN
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Here is the examples of a created file with virtual host. (By default http =
is
redirecred to https.)

# cat /usr/local/etc/apache24/extra/example.net.conf

ServerName example.net
DocumentRoot /usr/local/www/apache24/data/example.net/
Redirect permanent / https://example.net/



ServerName example.net
DocumentRoot /usr/local/www/apache24/data/example.net/
SSLCertificateFile /usr/local/etc/letsencrypt/live/example.net/fullchain.pem
SSLCertificateKeyFile /usr/local/etc/letsencrypt/live/example.net/privkey.p=
em


HTH, Cheers,

	-vlado
--

--Sig_/qS06_yVvQYvtS0TFceWvLWE
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature
Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----

iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJafdeQAAoJEJDRmRKO1E8Br84H/1HBTg7yFhg5F9NDFCIhVSax
TfNrEY85nqOXPuwM+sR0OJneBdRnoVqBWL24ojCGx1IVblb95HDkAK3mm6nNUzJs
z+/YNQR4T0gR1uYDHNYJDPZcOgvWcoPELPsBJi6y0kZ7Q4NVOiRQhi+v8ZWPaABh
GyRSfEUOYDPIBX7WL7/QLGui/25CrLUJTDViMfGYa+9avQvzVi/vNoBGUx9HedEe
xAjW2vY/4ZFWP+2sLH3Y6EAW+1E0s99ci1y7NTSsp8AqskMOA8pDkjh/VfFO7evS
RzxbIs6/gh615DrNrazTQsVDJkVkxXf59ivlm0o+NqiqHVewCYDKkCRYMxjYSxc=
=+MRN
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--Sig_/qS06_yVvQYvtS0TFceWvLWE--

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Fri Feb  9 17:29:50 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5673EF1571F
 for ;
 Fri,  9 Feb 2018 17:29:50 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca)
Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca
 [216.185.71.28])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca",
 Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F36EC6ECE7
 for ; Fri,  9 Feb 2018 17:29:49 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D265C62447;
 Fri,  9 Feb 2018 12:29:48 -0500 (EST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca
Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1])
 by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new,
 port 10024)
 with ESMTP id oGdXDafzBIU0; Fri,  9 Feb 2018 12:29:45 -0500 (EST)
Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca
 [216.185.71.24])
 (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 540906235B;
 Fri,  9 Feb 2018 12:29:43 -0500 (EST)
Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll)
 by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Fri, 9 Feb 2018 12:29:44 -0500
Message-ID: <8714b068182aa23ea93b0d93b92c35b5.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca>
In-Reply-To: 
References: <0ff8c58ea6d2aa3454f1a4661e79ecd7.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca>
 
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 12:29:44 -0500
Subject: Re: Apache 2.4
From: "James B. Byrne" 
To: "Mario Lobo" 
Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" 
Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca
User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
Importance: Normal
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 17:29:50 -0000


On Fri, February 9, 2018 12:16, Mario Lobo wrote:
> Hi;
>

>
> I'm not sure about this but I believe that for apache to run on
> different IPs you have to have different instances of it.
>
> You can change a virtualhost port but not the Ip on which the instance
> of apache is running.
>

See: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/vhosts/ip-based.html

-- 
***          e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel          ***
        Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail
 Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail

James B. Byrne                mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca
Harte & Lyne Limited          http://www.harte-lyne.ca
9 Brockley Drive              vox: +1 905 561 1241
Hamilton, Ontario             fax: +1 905 561 0757
Canada  L8E 3C3


From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Fri Feb  9 17:33:47 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19EAF15C83
 for ;
 Fri,  9 Feb 2018 17:33:47 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu)
Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70])
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809CE6F2CA
 for ; Fri,  9 Feb 2018 17:33:47 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu)
Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6])
 by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A5E71804B;
 Fri,  9 Feb 2018 11:33:41 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Apache 2.4
To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca
Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" 
References: <0ff8c58ea6d2aa3454f1a4661e79ecd7.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca>
 
 <8714b068182aa23ea93b0d93b92c35b5.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca>
From: Valeri Galtsev 
Message-ID: <2f12227c-0488-2729-007d-7b9302ca89ab@kicp.uchicago.edu>
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 11:33:40 -0600
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
 Thunderbird/52.5.2
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <8714b068182aa23ea93b0d93b92c35b5.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Content-Language: en-US
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 17:33:48 -0000



On 02/09/18 11:29, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote:
> 
> On Fri, February 9, 2018 12:16, Mario Lobo wrote:
>> Hi;
>>
> 
>>
>> I'm not sure about this but I believe that for apache to run on
>> different IPs you have to have different instances of it.
>>
>> You can change a virtualhost port but not the Ip on which the instance
>> of apache is running.
>>
> 
> See: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/vhosts/ip-based.html
> 

I would look for Listen statements in general context. If they declare 
something, one can not override that in virtual host context.

Just shot in the dark.

Valeri

-- 
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Valeri Galtsev
Sr System Administrator
Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics
Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics
University of Chicago
Phone: 773-702-4247
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Fri Feb  9 19:24:16 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F84CF1D2D0
 for ;
 Fri,  9 Feb 2018 19:24:16 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com)
Received: from dnvrco-cmomta02.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com
 [107.14.73.230])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0545744C4
 for ; Fri,  9 Feb 2018 19:24:15 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com)
Received: from [192.168.0.9] ([70.121.63.82]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA
 id kEHQeWcj4mf07kEHTeyJ6j; Fri, 09 Feb 2018 19:24:20 +0000
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 13:24:10 -0600
From: Paul Schmehl 
Reply-To: Paul Schmehl 
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
cc: Mario Lobo 
Subject: Re: Apache 2.4
Message-ID: 
In-Reply-To: 
References: <0ff8c58ea6d2aa3454f1a4661e79ecd7.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca>
 
X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline
X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfNpof/vTBoFQAAZA6mN5VQ9oNMwthnGe3mWio1omT6ESVSt/0FhIEs3i6ZACYXx6oKJ9TcncDpCp7ugfR4e5ZLqeLXxu8pcwIz30Bk5ZTuGHYg+az+km
 jHbBTZrBtNjcSquNG64/XssCgeyErl95Px/mYeYBZgbtqDEv7upSEqWtSmTe793tiqHBW8fawBv1+w==
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 19:24:16 -0000

--On February 9, 2018 at 2:16:06 PM -0300 Mario Lobo  
wrote:
>
> I'm not sure about this but I believe that for apache to run on different
> IPs you have to have different instances of it.
>
This is untrue. Apache can listen on multiple IPs from one running instance.

Here's the Listen portion of an instance I manage:

Listen 162.250.226.170:80
Listen 162.250.226.170:443
Listen 162.250.226.172:80
Listen 162.250.226.172:443
Listen 162.250.226.173:80
Listen 162.250.226.174:443

> You can change a virtualhost port but not the Ip on which the instance of
> apache is running.

Not true. Apache listens on whatever you tell it to listen on. Port or IP.

Paul Schmehl, Retired
As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions
are my own and not those of my employer.
*******************************************
"It is as useless to argue with those who have
renounced the use of reason as to administer
medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson
"There are some ideas so wrong that only a very
intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell


From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Fri Feb  9 19:50:26 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BEDEF1F0BC
 for ;
 Fri,  9 Feb 2018 19:50:26 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from caitlin@firstadwords.com)
Received: from a2nlsmtp01-05.prod.iad2.secureserver.net
 (a2nlsmtp01-05.prod.iad2.secureserver.net [198.71.225.49])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F24C875807
 for ; Fri,  9 Feb 2018 19:50:25 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from caitlin@firstadwords.com)
Received: from a2plcpnl0648.prod.iad2.secureserver.net ([198.71.234.7])
 by : HOSTING RELAY : with SMTP
 id kEfde8gd4bXRPkEfdezdKx; Fri, 09 Feb 2018 12:49:17 -0700
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed;
 d=firstadwords.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:
 MIME-Version:Message-ID:Subject:Reply-To:From:To:Date:Sender:Cc:Content-ID:
 Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc
 :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:
 List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive;
 bh=Zshq+HlT48mz+jDT/YrpFL0Gv1wacEwsQRdW7IWBsVY=; b=YfSys4St/FsKYHMYoc3YL/oa1R
 2L9X6FBN5yJq/nDohTgGn3eLUacCN/dHFTcTxgkW+ond20PRJN/zObRG6p8M2nPrWOSIJIGRge6rq
 J0KO35Z3pMWF2F/+d/Goqtp0nD6S99O7MZLMlR0y5BZVqoam2ySH4UQjISqiTy4fRFImZwlhARTrA
 C7uc9usO8z/WONpoMfcyYmZKZfW4oioJCGfEEqT4fY2aaDxjGTeYbB7uKJf3NWE3WlxFSHYonZv/O
 oy45JXwiilBJSQ1wf2qZOqUIXhDkLTdjBP2ghvL9DSBEwwplfFy3/to3rhNJZX8BmCpE3b8bojNpZ
 fG5u3S9g==;
Received: from [127.0.0.1] (port=34109 helo=firstadwords.com)
 by a2plcpnl0648.prod.iad2.secureserver.net with esmtpsa
 (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89)
 (envelope-from ) id 1ekEfd-000RYB-O6
 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 09 Feb 2018 12:49:17 -0700
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 19:49:12 +0000
To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" 
From: "caitlin@firstadwords.com" 
Reply-To: "caitlin@firstadwords.com" 
Subject: Your web page is always on top of search engines
Message-ID: <2f6f1b40bb75bff8e296b7de5fc9047e@firstadwords.com>
X-Mailer: PHPMailer 5.2.22 (https://github.com/PHPMailer/PHPMailer)
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse,
 please include it with any abuse report
X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - a2plcpnl0648.prod.iad2.secureserver.net
X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org
X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12]
X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - firstadwords.com
X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: a2plcpnl0648.prod.iad2.secureserver.net: authenticated_id:
 caitlin@firstadwords.com
X-Authenticated-Sender: a2plcpnl0648.prod.iad2.secureserver.net: caitlin@firstadwords.com
X-Source: 
X-Source-Args: 
X-Source-Dir: 
X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfKdhtm5KHJqZpO3eZ0J1DejCbNiIa42xipqdGZlEgEAQulrwXjZBuBE7xMI/pRGFBb+J9OMk6LvxnvahgbQb+Vm3QL56I3LxPoDBK/9ZA/Gte0dod+xD
 zYVVtuqe/crMWM5LqGC6kqygcnJlGYZ2MS3oR+K0mzjM8M6ZgKT21uyqC8vBPsk2PhvAchAe8+zi1kagf5QI+P5cn4HjFzgdMAx5XdMMZP4bCbmxEijLGfOC
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 19:50:26 -0000

Hello Freebsd-questions,

 Pay-per-click advertising (or PPC for short) can seem like having
a problem to your website optimization. We have the perfect solution.

 We place your website billboard on top of search engines without pay per
click model, so that you will not have to pay for each click and visit to
your website!

 You can get more information and see online demo on our website. Just go to
online demo section of our website, fill form with your website freebsd org and
keyword and see results.

 What could be easier or more convenient?


Regards,
Caitlin Hicks


From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Fri Feb  9 20:55:09 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617B3F01677
 for ;
 Fri,  9 Feb 2018 20:55:09 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from naddy@mips.inka.de)
Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de
 [IPv6:2a04:c9c7:0:1073:217:a4ff:fe3b:e77c])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05DB478D3D
 for ; Fri,  9 Feb 2018 20:55:08 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from naddy@mips.inka.de)
Received: from mips.inka.de (naddy@[127.0.0.1])
 by mail.inka.de with uucp (rmailwrap 0.5) 
 id 1ekFhK-0003wd-Dh; Fri, 09 Feb 2018 21:55:06 +0100
Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w19KrpsU068544;
 Fri, 9 Feb 2018 21:53:51 +0100 (CET)
 (envelope-from naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de)
Received: (from naddy@localhost)
 by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w19KrpmN068543;
 Fri, 9 Feb 2018 21:53:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from naddy)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 21:53:51 +0100
From: Christian Weisgerber 
To: Scott Bennett 
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Swap on SSD
Message-ID: <20180209205351.GA68122@lorvorc.mips.inka.de>
References: <201802081425.w18EPYPg005443@sdf.org>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline
In-Reply-To: <201802081425.w18EPYPg005443@sdf.org>
User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.3 (2018-01-21)
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 20:55:09 -0000

Scott Bennett:

> >Demand paging was introduced in UNIX 32V and entered the BSD line 
> 
>      Are you absolutely certain of that?

Judging from _A Quarter Century of UNIX_, I slightly misrembered.
UNIX/32V was the port to the VAX, but it didn't yet include demand
paging.  That feature was added only in 3BSD.  That doesn't really
matter, though, for the point I was trying to bring across: Saying
"FreeBSD doesn't actually swap these days; uses demand paging" is
rather misleading because that makes it sound like a recent innovation
when it is in fact almost forty years old.

So, yes, "swap" space is a misnomer, but then again, "electricity"
today isn't really about rubbing ambers together either.

-- 
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber                          naddy@mips.inka.de

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Fri Feb  9 23:26:00 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF894F0B1CA
 for ;
 Fri,  9 Feb 2018 23:25:59 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com)
Received: from mail-wm0-x22e.google.com (mail-wm0-x22e.google.com
 [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22e])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits))
 (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com",
 Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7264E7EF15
 for ; Fri,  9 Feb 2018 23:25:59 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com)
Received: by mail-wm0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id f3so279623wmc.1
 for ; Fri, 09 Feb 2018 15:25:59 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025;
 h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to;
 bh=IAz0dsYGdBrDAEsQHwp1Lonv7s3z4ok3d/m8jGiBjEY=;
 b=dou/wSic1eEP98s4aXsfqoav/xj24ahQtJb14/5Ze97KJ6Tb3T88ZL0i+abo6+ZKjN
 844fhNOe15Ow2pHXuWy3fQZpVXBOFxg6OFftOriXyc7BYtgvBpT4NncPKXrtypCF5cKK
 aqhxKBMYnJpWlBknIzkiIxNncruMD4+YaC9olsq01F/on6AheSWIAZze4H1Cm40thf08
 SBGdBLj9q1/UNitWnAKt/6zOMzbMVS85OkabNrNXKFkPFJjBdst4norETE7NxyFhz8Tt
 kAGuRFF3JkJoHux7aYRUsKAvTa7ma3FqmSEdOj6jV3/4GnGRirNyt5BzfhpNYFjJ85mt
 oTCQ==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
 d=1e100.net; s=20161025;
 h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to;
 bh=IAz0dsYGdBrDAEsQHwp1Lonv7s3z4ok3d/m8jGiBjEY=;
 b=XWFvut+0+ZPv6a3DGz1pBg+g09eNJW0gSiieDoy4HxdTna4JcxvPnEshseCfCRESZr
 ovjLBrbTHIuccJVG53iXrlY5nkbhfzqYDSCGOta9fds2zZ79+kHqdbIQFiiUqSXumc4s
 isg6nJdU3SeECq/zV8Dt1iUmmA4MsoEzDrKLlaV+WS07eZRPYK1s8D3mL9VjebbHMcxt
 6wayzlh2QMVdG2ZCOM2kAb7PyWumtPrHugqw4jXHkaAqXNiurPc/Q3RaRYsDmL+r5gfp
 3hduKlnaKq7LQZ+gGiOKhAoCry0P1gqPk1d+uAcCqd8Xhrv7yBc9mKjSrFFDzfjK7pkr
 T3mw==
X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPBYBZ1ttKH8cgrNpmm7i/BIkmdnGOjllIPwGogqxvBOo3TQNSp/
 tJb/PhKUh4iKkzXgGfyuRsE9ACilLjr2+g5hmPI=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x225PnOo+HubCukqFfRUtdm6HbQIwxzTVWH8aq8KBy5K1Zcn9k9mgzw/2FNCmPlK913iSblAV0MaFlQVEVED0qXE=
X-Received: by 10.28.241.4 with SMTP id p4mr3046918wmh.103.1518218757270; Fri,
 09 Feb 2018 15:25:57 -0800 (PST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.223.141.184 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Feb 2018 15:25:56 -0800 (PST)
From: David Mehler 
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 18:25:56 -0500
Message-ID: 
Subject: freebsd acme client that generates both RSA and EC certificates?
To: freebsd-questions 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 23:26:00 -0000

Hello,

I'm wanting to use both RSA and EC letsencrypt certificates. Can any
client do this?

Thanks.
Dave.

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Sat Feb 10 01:24:07 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC0DF1394D
 for ;
 Sat, 10 Feb 2018 01:24:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from "")
Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
 [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5])
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB5F684847
 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 01:24:06 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from "")
Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix)
 id 6C040F1394A; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 01:24:06 +0000 (UTC)
Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A063F13949
 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 01:24:06 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from "")
Received: from abuse.junkemailfilter.com (abuse.junkemailfilter.com
 [184.105.182.42])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E726384843
 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 01:24:05 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from "")
Delivery-date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 17:24:05 -0800
Received: from [67.211.216.93] (port=61095) helo=[67.211.216.93]
 by abuse.junkemailfilter.com with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256)
 (Exim 4.90) id 1ekJtX-0002jT-Kw on interface=184.105.182.42
 for questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 09 Feb 2018 17:23:59 -0800
MIME-Version: 1.0
Subject: Alert: Mail Box Address(questions@freebsd.org) shutdown
To: questions@freebsd.org
From: "Email Administrator" 
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 20:23:58 -0500
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Description: Mail message body
X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 01:24:07 -0000


    =

     Dear User questions@freebsd.org
We noticed that your email account has been outdated . Your questions@freeb=
sd.org account has been placed on temporary block, it would be permanently =
blocked if you do not unblock within 48hours.
  =

 Click here to unblock your account  =

  =

  =

 Note:

Failure to unblock your e-mail account. It will be permanently disabled.

Thank you for using our service.
  =

 Email Administrator Security Team.
 =




From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Sat Feb 10 10:11:45 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD2DF0E658
 for ;
 Sat, 10 Feb 2018 10:11:45 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de)
Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits))
 (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de",
 Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1833F76CAF
 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 10:11:44 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de)
Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de
 (mreue103 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id
 0LzHnN-1eoyKH15KD-014T7M; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 11:11:36 +0100
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 11:11:36 +0100
From: Polytropon 
To: Arthur Chance 
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Swap on SSD
Message-Id: <20180210111136.1452c229.freebsd@edvax.de>
In-Reply-To: 
References: <26877DEB-034F-422B-918F-2A0D1C381537@kreme.com>
 
 <23160.43027.295357.808217@jerusalem.litteratus.org>
 
 
Reply-To: Polytropon 
Organization: EDVAX
X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2)
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:LjCxsdFA4zYty63Na4QJxqILouqJAKADFLce/OMQLShzR2ue+T7
 YsPvmgjRrpIGTTRGcB48OA0XcXW0+kJ4IyT6RsLg6kMMBrJkqvtofggfeOnFuZeRAhvGflX
 V0RzKxjPTuF+fbTR6kJH/bhHnn8jPiuvWdoiWtYS+JfSCWF1ixudcCZ5lagbV+SCIA3UOF0
 YXqQeqvhQEics2FMr85zw==
X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:8oStrUPnMfs=:ZJVVc99MqvTO3UjWqmBvXD
 owuwYYUyRmMHRCH0H+/0ZbZtzthx4poCl+NDZM3AZbx26FJozDdRTsayy7B5q3+qjaSArUBTW
 vr/QdBsEfO0U1xaW406DHC/A0M8kX5LqiO31yh8CkSPEySvSU8HCxf1sAiY2i0FGUa42pBGL8
 t6fFGdVnl1ro+EzJqB50w0ULAEGo9fVexVFqnBZ/GbTCkZJK6LWhsDkEUzrwVTYw4M+kXTWGc
 jr9TeNyyolNw9I2vBbf+bLVCrObnefzG8XvRgENab4dh5O/TYoFuQ6GbNd6WGgob29uAoVPm5
 Ib2awuE/VO3YI9+NF4x74noxg6fhY+SqOOtuhN9cLdlpMm+Sfx+BsBDnPKHrOqZuNHQfc+T6S
 bTKog7X06LiS4AB3M4Wu5sMkSEXsvCuKxOTQmQZl5DmROkPjo40bgt7Ec0u9DGgmEqqSIkz+h
 p5EbudV3FIUjHFvDh/Vknpds2k86BH8226sLymZJqLoDjzup31XVPEzSA7krcrkjdFCZa4n5O
 YwLBqMh1EUsoFfL+8KDeJ1JUMLFrwtMV35lttjlYFOTT6UgsndUZ1PrmfoySHJpgf2GGGLchC
 RBIBFksrIT6AW0e036FPAaaDgiFSB+U47fG7cFH15/AnwDOdqmfT6tyU/cRwxit/QnL9VW7Yd
 a/vjedZgodWzQgHNarHsBjrhtnsVulya3vVj5cLjkzgNnm1pGM0CeReyzAa18EswdFMP6CLrB
 q8XrNgHw4NTeRd8Ze4mbLN8l3EYugY6kyqOUWN/KVNa+4O1sdv/cRZBh+KM=
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 10:11:45 -0000

On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 18:31:13 +0000, Arthur Chance wrote:
> Pretty much like referring to SSD storage as "disk" when it's all
> rectangular slabs. The historical name lingers on long after the
> technology becomes obsolete.

So... like /dev/drum or core dumps... :-)


-- 
Polytropon
Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Sat Feb 10 10:58:31 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4014CF11A92
 for ;
 Sat, 10 Feb 2018 10:58:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se)
Received: from ns1.nethead.se (ns1.nethead.se [5.150.237.139])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client CN "ns1.nethead.se", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK))
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3A8378AC4
 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 10:58:30 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from peo@nethead.se)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Nethead AB
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nethead.se;
 s=NETHEADSE; t=1518260301;
 bh=ZOZQeI7FZB7tGT19B0OOzoWLVTA0zunNr4ZeOdFhYvg=;
 h=To:From:Subject:Date;
 b=LxDVeGrahrYxewOs/cwFfPtE4/ovcve8UDPMfN21DBdIZB4viM48EfDl09b5ituAV
 DflncGzg2e8ATf8/lvrL1x0c1dILbtRN104dVeWk8S/CM7mytKGJJ32jqA/s2hv6RJ
 1re1dE/GjLuMUcaK/hUCQnUwbRwU9TXxjiOMqJno=
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
From: Per olof Ljungmark 
Subject: VSCom PCIe-200 serial card
Message-ID: <00c63dc2-0f0e-1c8f-aad4-9437333f81f6@nethead.se>
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 11:58:20 +0100
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
 Thunderbird/52.6.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Content-Language: en-US
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 10:58:31 -0000

Hi all,

I suppose I'm out of luck with this board?

none0@pci0:7:0:0:       class=0x070002 card=0x00000000 chip=0x035213a8
rev=0x03 hdr=0x00
    vendor     = 'Exar Corp.'
    class      = simple comms
    subclass   = UART

Is there a one or two port serial card that works in FreeBSD?

Thanks,

//per

From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Sat Feb 10 18:59:12 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53AB9F14446
 for ;
 Sat, 10 Feb 2018 18:59:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raf@rafal.net)
Received: from smtp-out-1.mxes.net (smtp-out-1.mxes.net [67.222.241.250])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F38AF6C21D
 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 18:59:11 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from raf@rafal.net)
Received: from [192.168.40.37]
 (86-40-118-125-dynamic.agg2.bri.bbh-prp.eircom.net [86.40.118.125])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (No client certificate requested)
 by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 940C027530
 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 13:58:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Rafal Lukawiecki 
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\))
Subject: Re: pkg check --recompute and apache24 deleted files
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 18:58:57 +0000
References: 
To: "James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions" 
In-Reply-To: 
Message-Id: 
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20)
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 18:59:12 -0000

Sincere apologies for bumping this question, but if anyone has experience of=
 using pkg check, I would be very grateful for some pointers. Many thanks.

I have started seeing a longish list of warnings in daily security run outp=
ut related to files which I have removed after installing apache24. This use=
d not to happen in the past, it is a recent change, perhaps a month or so ol=
d. I do not need the =E2=80=9Cdefault=E2=80=9D web site that apache24 instal=
lation creates in /usr/local/www/apache24. For example, I get these:

   Checking for packages with mismatched checksums:
   apache24-2.4.29: missing file /usr/local/www/apache24/cgi-bin/printenv
   apache24-2.4.29: missing file /usr/local/www/apache24/cgi-bin/test-cgi
   apache24-2.4.29: missing file /usr/local/www/apache24/error/HTTP_BAD_GAT=
EWAY.html.var
   =E2=80=A6

I thought I could use pkg check --recompute to suppress those, but it seems=
 to have had no effect. Is there another way of telling pkg to stop listing =
those deletions in its security output?

Thank you for your kind assistance and my regards from Ireland,
Rafal
--
Rafal Lukawiecki
Data Scientist 
Project Botticelli Ltd



From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Sat Feb 10 21:05:10 2018
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00CC2F1E4C8;
 Sat, 10 Feb 2018 21:05:10 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from marek@mky.waw.pl)
Received: from poczta.mky.waw.pl (poczta.mky.waw.pl
 [IPv6:2001:41d0:604:159::25])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92ED572689;
 Sat, 10 Feb 2018 21:05:09 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from marek@mky.waw.pl)
Received: from poczta.mky.waw.pl (localhost [193.70.126.25])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits))
 (No client certificate requested)
 by poczta.mky.waw.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1962F7A4819;
 Sat, 10 Feb 2018 22:05:07 +0100 (CET)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8;
 format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 22:05:07 +0100
From: Marek Krawczyk 
To: Per olof Ljungmark 
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: VSCom PCIe-200 serial card
In-Reply-To: <00c63dc2-0f0e-1c8f-aad4-9437333f81f6@nethead.se>
References: <00c63dc2-0f0e-1c8f-aad4-9437333f81f6@nethead.se>
Message-ID: <5c30bc1027462cffcf9ab3a539bbcbe7@mky.waw.pl>
X-Sender: marek@mky.waw.pl
User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.3
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: User questions 
List-Unsubscribe: , 
 
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: , 
 
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 21:05:10 -0000



W dniu 2018-02-10 11:58, Per olof Ljungmark napisał(a):
> Hi all,
> 
> I suppose I'm out of luck with this board?
> 
> none0@pci0:7:0:0:       class=0x070002 card=0x00000000 chip=0x035213a8
> rev=0x03 hdr=0x00
>     vendor     = 'Exar Corp.'
>     class      = simple comms
>     subclass   = UART
> 
> Is there a one or two port serial card that works in FreeBSD?

Have you tried puc(4) driver? 
https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=puc&sektion=4

There are definitions in sys/dev/puc/pucdata.c regarding VSCOM hardware:

const struct puc_cfg puc_pci_devices[] = {
[...]
         {   0x10b5, 0x1076, 0x10b5, 0x1076,
             "VScom PCI-800",
             DEFAULT_RCLK * 8,
             PUC_PORT_8S, 0x18, 0, 8,
         },

         {   0x10b5, 0x1077, 0x10b5, 0x1077,
             "VScom PCI-400",
             DEFAULT_RCLK * 8,
             PUC_PORT_4S, 0x18, 0, 8,
         },

         {   0x10b5, 0x1103, 0x10b5, 0x1103,
             "VScom PCI-200",
             DEFAULT_RCLK * 8,
             PUC_PORT_2S, 0x18, 4, 0,
         },

Regards,
Marek Krawczyk