From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 16 05:42:56 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD8E133DB25 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 05:42:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrcoluk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x431.google.com (mail-wr1-x431.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::431]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D78E771780 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 05:42:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrcoluk@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x431.google.com with SMTP id x10so9087371wrs.8 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 21:42:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xLAb996gKDDjBr2nlakugd82UtwgsqcVz+i2gXihF3o=; b=U0RddibIDQySFmE1JBNuoJ8Fm+S6powT7MkLf8uLWGbfR0BjWLpp0qnqIj+1YK4N0L zQ7pMPVP8LBClzNLjjjycMhYSB1fV5Mmr0WoNEVdVjiyMnhai61MpF+IEzDSNEY2+gNh 1Z9B0WZuZrjTsbXIrp1d+HHR7LvElA37LhBVtEY0pFwqNzjNwskdwz7iQi2Vdq3n9jqa lzmETouCSCxWu7+OwSpplv/nl92uw/21nU27I3cG2uxUgG9xb0h9hLkCbZ9N6hA1+fx5 WVv3qyZvm8EvswmFrvJZe8H8REPE1zNoZt4D6q3wkvTfTxR2lWKUDUz3uETVANikskfu TOMg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xLAb996gKDDjBr2nlakugd82UtwgsqcVz+i2gXihF3o=; b=g3SP1jf2OT0qKKPg4LhmQ+Pb0GhwUZe5nxhLZ0YaLXzetnMnj4bIrMeciD0jeA/Sb4 GW9p6jR56maeAEMp70Egh4pLN8wnIjuP+F4byKB+vgT34XMbPMKeYukveUZIRs/7uF2u mD527abSliFbJyB+1CMt97UPXDaiIGqKm07ZYHp16svzm0+fDFGZW/sIDiGa7TC7ZURf GRJlBR6E5eRlig8qB/2JwDW89/9TuuSUmVzn4QO+NrlS10/cC2UJj1jFQI6ErfwK5iSa kUkliEJND5zoI9AgCMIkNMplAYp8xEahsSRK3V9upC8XbK9SEXQRXFJMIH/SA3Hp8lCM wsBA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWbg9vi0lbR1Va2jT8Z4RRwyvrieFJ2V7EZwOr1NGP992up16Q9y lUZifWP2eQ66t4QmRP6uM3XRgbyNvQAzIQRzbfM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/X1Wpg0/XgoUQ+DNNoVTEN9eqH0Gwrl9hILgDsSgei/K67YARMuwcWizTFCFdv/vs19Ls/H6p+/KIUQsPnlSDA= X-Received: by 2002:adf:fc89:: with SMTP id g9mr6762127wrr.96.1544938974611; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 21:42:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20181215080851.6bf4b0d3@yandex.com> <3C631EC0-7717-4B2E-8A21-D9B75F366D34@mail.sermon-archive.info> In-Reply-To: <3C631EC0-7717-4B2E-8A21-D9B75F366D34@mail.sermon-archive.info> From: Chris Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 05:42:43 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD 12.0 or 11.2 To: Doug Hardie Cc: starikarp@yandex.com, FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D78E771780 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=U0RddibI; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of chrcoluk@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::431 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=chrcoluk@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.29 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.926,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.3.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-2.35)[ip: (-8.84), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-1.52), asn: 15169(-1.32), country: US(-0.08)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[yandex.com] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 05:42:57 -0000 To me documentation is extremely important but its the weakness of software development, as sadly writing documentation is boring. There used to be a page maintained by someone called "whats cooking" which was way better than the official release pages, which just list silly things like openssl updated to blah blah. But sadly he ran out of time, and no one really took over his work. I feel anything that can break a system due to things like syntax changes or removed functions definitely needs to get documented somewhere on release announcements. On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 at 23:04, Doug Hardie wrote: > > > On 15 December 2018, at 05:08, starikarp@yandex.com wrote: > > > > Hi! > > > > I did change hard drive with bad condition with the SSD drive and I am > > ready for the new install of FreeBSD which I am using on the desktop > > computer which is iMac. > > On the FreeBSD forum are many complains about new 12.0 release and I am > > not sure if is safe to install it or install the 11.2 which worked for > > me all the time. > > That depends on how you are using it. 12.0 is a major system upgrade. T= here are a number of changes in various parts of the system. This is norma= l for a major system upgrade. It can make it a bit difficult if you have l= ots of your own code and it relies on something that has changed. The defa= ults for openssl have changed, and basename_r has been eliminated. My code= was relying on both of those. I have had to make changes. Figuring out t= he cause of the problems does take some effort. It's not seamless. Howeve= r, the base system seems to be quite stable. I have been beating it about = since it came out and have not seen any issues other than the deliberate ch= anges. It would be nice if all those changes were documented, but I suspec= t that document would be so long no one would have the time to read it anyw= ay. You are going to have to go to 12 sometime. You can kick the can down= the road a bit and hope you have more time available then to deal with any= issues. However, in my > experience that doesn't work. I never have more time down the road. > > -- Doug > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg"