From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Sat Feb 23 05:31:49 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE23915077D5 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 05:31:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ota@j.email.ne.jp) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF9572C7D for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 05:31:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ota@j.email.ne.jp) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 0ADE815077D3; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 05:31:48 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8A515077D2; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 05:31:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ota@j.email.ne.jp) Received: from mail01.asahi-net.or.jp (mail01.asahi-net.or.jp [202.224.55.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 496D072C73; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 05:31:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ota@j.email.ne.jp) Received: from rv515.advok.com (pool-72-76-119-135.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net [72.76.119.135]) (Authenticated sender: NR2Y-OOT) by mail01.asahi-net.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 72F6210B841; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 14:31:33 +0900 (JST) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2019 00:31:26 -0500 From: Yoshihiro Ota To: Warner Losh Cc: FreeBSD X11 mailing list , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: DRM removal soon Message-Id: <20190223003126.4aec5a01b77ec9bf9ea0992a@j.email.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i386-portbld-freebsd12.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 496D072C73 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ota@j.email.ne.jp designates 202.224.55.13 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ota@j.email.ne.jp X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.65 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.62)[-0.618,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:202.224.55.0/24]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[email.ne.jp]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.990,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.78)[0.779,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[sbmx.asahi-net.or.jp]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: JP(-0.08)]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[13.55.224.202.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:4685, ipnet:202.224.32.0/19, country:JP]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[135.119.76.72.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2019 05:31:49 -0000 Hi, How does this impact VMWare users? I couldn't find much of documents. I run few FreeBSD versions on MacBook VMWare. Do we have a different driver for VMWare or go by MacBook's? I looked at dmesg of another laptop and that reports "Radeon". However, I don't find any "drm" in FreeBSD VMWare dmesg at all. I'm not sure which driver FreeBSD has been picking up. Thanks, Hiro On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 09:59:52 -0700 Warner Losh wrote: > The parts of drm that we're removing are up for review: > https://reviews.freebsd.org/D19196 > > Since the drm-legacy-kmod or the drm-kmod packages seem to be stable and > working well for most people, the time has come to finish the removal of > most of the drm code in FreeBSD. > > The intel and radeon drivers will be removed. The ability to build things > as a module will be removed. Some bits will remain for the TEGRA arm board, > since the transition from the drm code base isn't as straight forward as it > was for the intel and amd drivers (the effort to emulate the kernel > environment on arm is significantly higher than x86 because in addition to > programming to the GPU, clocks, power regulators, etc need to be programmed > as well. The interfaces here are not standardized and different greatly > between FreeBSD and Linux). > > Absent any significant last minute issue, it is my intention to commit this > change on Feb 21st, which is 20 days later than had been previously > announced. > > Warner > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-arch@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Sat Feb 23 12:57:06 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D1D15150D7 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:57:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg@unrelenting.technology) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AF7389D2C for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:57:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg@unrelenting.technology) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 04FD815150D5; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:57:05 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67C015150D4 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:57:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg@unrelenting.technology) Received: from out.migadu.com (out.migadu.com [91.121.223.63]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.migadu.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 601E189D2B for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:57:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg@unrelenting.technology) Received: (Migadu outbound); Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:55:49 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.141] ([62.122.208.146]) by out.migadu.com (Haraka/2.8.16) with ESMTPSA id 358F0C2A-4385-476B-9C11-533F5657E973.1 envelope-from (authenticated bits=0) (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:55:49 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2019 15:55:57 +0300 From: Greg V Subject: Re: DRM removal soon To: Yoshihiro Ota Cc: Warner Losh , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD X11 mailing list Message-Id: <1550926557.1795.0@unrelenting.technology> In-Reply-To: <20190223003126.4aec5a01b77ec9bf9ea0992a@j.email.ne.jp> References: <20190223003126.4aec5a01b77ec9bf9ea0992a@j.email.ne.jp> X-Mailer: geary/master~g09881b5f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; bh=5OT4Co6pTI/4KZGygK5zLGShB91lfkA3ROgAw9pgDiE=; c=relaxed/simple; d=unrelenting.technology; h=from:subject:date:to; s=default; b=RBvfd7EjFv02i1dOH11kKGXGjAn/VkdntnX7PzJwC8Y3L9tH1StOElmS2JHscHFNOVyQpaH31DK6IOWtxV4oolILb/RNHm79HyMbAZ1w3E8aPbwBaXD8yF9ktzuXngmUohaWc5heoTQiQFP82vRwHGLtsBCkT9dTsWamGSeLzN0= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 601E189D2B X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.96 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.958,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:57:06 -0000 On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 8:31 AM, Yoshihiro Ota wrote: > Hi, > > How does this impact VMWare users? > I couldn't find much of documents. > > I run few FreeBSD versions on MacBook VMWare. > > Do we have a different driver for VMWare or go by MacBook's? > > I looked at dmesg of another laptop and that reports "Radeon". > However, I don't find any "drm" in FreeBSD VMWare dmesg at all. > I'm not sure which driver FreeBSD has been picking up. Hi, looks like you have not been using *any* GPU driver at all, just a basic framebuffer (efifb or vga) and software rendering. Only the new drm-kmod includes vmwgfx, which should bring you GPU support :) https://twitter.com/johalun/status/1056549585106227201 From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Sat Feb 23 12:15:56 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E22A1513666 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:15:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johalun0@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FFDF88266 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:15:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johalun0@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 09C111513662; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:15:55 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D665A1513661; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:15:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johalun0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x435.google.com (mail-wr1-x435.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::435]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44BCC88264; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:15:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johalun0@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x435.google.com with SMTP id t18so5127958wrx.2; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 04:15:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=XHO/AGYv6Qu0V8KUCH55lONuEd2UAiy90ImapehJz8g=; b=XfBlTuMF4GV9sfHCVRmA/B60L/ZvoqcmjX7JHFhnOVdXWv92wU49rAsW0tNuMaZSWI 5tZPS/q7ltrY06/TZv8prbIw+TF+g/qbdm7ZuWXHuR8qK0B4pVL8PD+SfVv/HUxPUfYq 7qprSczJsmmckTOy/at+U+3Ce6rSHmMXgyxJm4IoZX3ESWI3ne9HCvFzCtISMf+A1D3w GvZQuBz6N+5ipjyP43WbsEPmyFnh/pyIyFjTQXL9bCKIaBEUZaWxX8ISjwhKKHIAOynl ODTzwtL98sT70g4Wa02jJhXUIhXiJm4zQrd45aROAyW+LUfR3VjuGmHNFkkbqP92Rrem Bxlw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=XHO/AGYv6Qu0V8KUCH55lONuEd2UAiy90ImapehJz8g=; b=B22IysBwqZWDAa0UyQUfQaPspHUPQO+EbG0YiThY2UufOnrl2fKEzy/MIIzrCK0hba v/dimwoxKV0EAn4cEv9oJjfPxjVKSYDXPDrw0OB+m3i5LURneHKpKJg8/DJBYeHg/xUt LUwAiSgrr7Zf5g8DK9arHhS+/xbnQdaUVjDiSlakhbhmL/n+24UkgDqgSGH7tbK+YQy7 S4pjcgLx/ODdX/jelrpyJKOsLmMulmgK4nRcnzIQV+ZpLCqSH3Zr/pMYM9+W5bF3n609 /OQZNpSFJpZ4YsTAqv/0nv8K0x8eH+Z98wSwZSxUm3gx7eDSjad9rxxNq2KxdemNssd+ 9tFQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AHQUAuZbTV4Ox9gG9fXbQlML0y6qYRn5oxz83I0wSdqomWv4QlV8TCJe c+w3LVoqexHDK1yjIxjxBK18YYJAlTvlVK0kJ2I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AHgI3IbKHH6NZyt6CtOGCqCIT3exvzjGwybEQzKNbWeQkwfE2lBgyB7DYW9QIutFeLLqGnhAqv8KYrxskZW0dMj4Fo4= X-Received: by 2002:adf:a147:: with SMTP id r7mr6103967wrr.5.1550924152446; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 04:15:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190223003126.4aec5a01b77ec9bf9ea0992a@j.email.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: <20190223003126.4aec5a01b77ec9bf9ea0992a@j.email.ne.jp> From: Johannes Lundberg Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:15:41 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: DRM removal soon To: Yoshihiro Ota Cc: FreeBSD X11 mailing list , Warner Losh , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 44BCC88264 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.94 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.944,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:15:56 -0000 On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 12:05 Yoshihiro Ota wrote: > Hi, > > How does this impact VMWare users? > I couldn't find much of documents. Hi Not at all. FreeBSD does not have kernel side drm drivers for running as guest in virtual machines (yet). > > I run few FreeBSD versions on MacBook VMWare. > > Do we have a different driver for VMWare or go by MacBook's? > > I looked at dmesg of another laptop and that reports "Radeon". > However, I don't find any "drm" in FreeBSD VMWare dmesg at all. > I'm not sure which driver FreeBSD has been picking up. > > Thanks, > Hiro > > On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 09:59:52 -0700 > Warner Losh wrote: > > > The parts of drm that we're removing are up for review: > > https://reviews.freebsd.org/D19196 > > > > Since the drm-legacy-kmod or the drm-kmod packages seem to be stable and > > working well for most people, the time has come to finish the removal of > > most of the drm code in FreeBSD. > > > > The intel and radeon drivers will be removed. The ability to build things > > as a module will be removed. Some bits will remain for the TEGRA arm > board, > > since the transition from the drm code base isn't as straight forward as > it > > was for the intel and amd drivers (the effort to emulate the kernel > > environment on arm is significantly higher than x86 because in addition > to > > programming to the GPU, clocks, power regulators, etc need to be > programmed > > as well. The interfaces here are not standardized and different greatly > > between FreeBSD and Linux). > > > > Absent any significant last minute issue, it is my intention to commit > this > > change on Feb 21st, which is 20 days later than had been previously > > announced. > > > > Warner > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-arch@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-x11@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-x11 > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-x11-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >