From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Tue Jan 1 19:35:37 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F271425FE4; Tue, 1 Jan 2019 19:35:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vnsndalce@memeware.net) Received: from cock.li (cock.li [IPv6:2a06:1700:0:b::c0cc]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85EEF82BF4; Tue, 1 Jan 2019 19:35:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vnsndalce@memeware.net) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS, T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=memeware.net; s=mail; t=1546371319; bh=6EKIL+zzercIxlsgQ2SRkBaQGS2cPSfr2992rwcIbhA=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=0NtHFzpomBen+BDnOU9erTK9JGy7UwEOM2GRzBO2tfxjO1Aq5xjFVYe5nG/ZKGXte 4WMuKCiG365JGVNMWlIT4sFbjTtpi2EZHSVpXKH3cxWHp/1FugqVNDcxzmHQ6lyWYp 00SrHuI6kqiQArwaE9HpsngkKThox9UyLPujx4kMQ8IxE6cyjTp9sTA1xFwD1AXJKF no+8LRRECKff4NSyV4nKneAveEJ/RtaochNIvujjYDBuWWiKXaxSSuLlr86swUSyNw 4p43/dMtEN9IgYF6TDPRBmttRdXBx9kmNxPpRzBhaxxI1YMoZAJt+XoQeD6OfTnvv+ DpsKNm1Pwfwug== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2019 19:35:18 +0000 From: vnsndalce@memeware.net To: rms@gnu.org Cc: freebsd-women@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CoC loving Linux programmers swear the GPLv2 is irrevocable. They are wrong. (As are the women they wish to empower). 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(Bloc revocation). One practice note: do not send a cease-and-desist before-hand. Do not let your lawyer send a cease-and-desist before-hand. If a potential defendant knows that their liberties regarding a copyrighted work is in question from entity X (entity X being a rights-holder etc), then they can rush to the courthouse and file for a hearing to determine their rights. They do this to give you less time to prepare your case, and to have the case start in a jurisdiction that they feel is favorable to them (the CoC supporters will be trying to get the case adjudicated in the 9th circuit, as they feel they have those judges in their pocket - the 9th circuit absolutely hates men with a passion _even_ greater than the rest of America - and they like to overturn and ignore black-letter law) You will notice that the CoC supporters and No-Rescind group have fallen silent in the last couple of months. They know they have very little to grasp onto, and every one of their claims have been refuted. Heather Meekers just gives the issue a gloss and says "lol no" and points to a ZDnet article, where I have cited academic papers on the issue, as-well as the law I learned in law school, and further studies. Bruce Perens literally called you all replaceable. As did Mathew Garret. Specifically because they feel that they own your property now and they do not need you. Inform them that such is not the case, in the most direct manner. Remember: These are the people, the class, that prevent you from having sweet love. They are those who uphold your legal disabilities (cannot marry cute young girls, as YHWH allows). They are your enemies, and the enemies of all Men on earth. On 2018-12-31 08:45, Ivan Ivanov wrote: > Thank you very much for this message, friend. We the people should > learn it and stop taking Cock of Conduct up our ass > > пн, 31 дек. 2018 г. в 05:07, : >> >> Their take is that if you lent (licensed) them a lawnmower and told >> them >> not to wreck it, the fact that they did not wreck it entitles them to >> keep the lawnmower forever(they followed your instruction regarding >> the >> use of your property: "thus consideration, thus irrevocable license"). >> >> They are wrong. You can revoke the license. >> >> You were paid nothing for this grant. >> The takers have nothing. >> >> Yet they are taking your positions, your seniority, controlling your >> speech, and ejecting you from your communities. >> >> You must fight back. They have already taken from you all the natural >> pleasures in life (which include pretty young girls as brides, ruling >> over your girls and family, being the master - not the servant of the >> woman and her state). >> >> Now they are taking this edifice, this refuge, which you have built >> for >> yourself. >> >> They see you as replaceable, expendable, removable employees. >> (See: Bruce Perens statements on slashdot and this and other mailing >> lists about how those who do not like the Code of Conduct can be >> easily >> replaced) >> >> But you are property owners and may elect to enforce your rights as >> such. And you should do so. >> >> And yes, You can trust my words. I am a licensed attorney, and I'm on >> your side. Not the side of the women. Not the side of people like >> Bruce >> Perens who see you as a replaceable cog: a worker... a chattel. Your >> side. The side of the dispossessed men who are ruled over by the women >> and the supporters of the women: who will not tolerate any corner of >> advertence not fixated on them. >> >> From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Tue Jan 1 20:17:17 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991231427331 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2019 20:17:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic303-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic303-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.178.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7FC784693 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2019 20:17:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: IG66he8VM1ldkuJzl1.wDONiPQmuRKaqfImJyOXD9xhdpusOhe9o9MpGjzwCwyp QJ_y40HoCh4uRfVZ0L3EJa.1APC0eiRW2XhhpMCI21lVVEzTW1VS.Oox8waQB67pf4L8W_9YS4Do fU.F3ExLKXUV8BOnWSwyfIv5dyDroGNLpLxhd6TmTAXtzrEOPONX1KV7ZKiI0iN7iPhw1QRtnL7B QxZ5A8opncJo5Saiq8D6JhYBWDpZRlvA102jJdjjKtX4aIFTsQQs0N_ivNzPUg4XighJusdNqmlc s5fuvqzjTgJrLNYtaAFPXNzXbJp838mhpyMrlYxiuibfhxLzfNhG.aSAhNU0YJeAWJrsyeeLANAQ fGx5XV1L.cq6Z1U8eXhEUdlrqk52qkMUGbl55d_SusIqpI1EplfohID4XhBWLbydVgUwf4WTyVF6 7n.4H_JSw2ZQVbTqFnvounM_QuJKNONX9GfUQnCMGosnRUOKZyG5B0xoiKtTajlpXeBaXq9MOwUY agBHPWOX3KxUVdPwv2JczRz5sPv_DoDr8JgxfwkDRXIYkPDS8omWx1oxinmHxXSZucJvT9laErB. 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It's not that hard to do, what almost all admins on other mailing lists already did ;). The first action done by bogofilter on my machine this year was sorting out mails of an idiot, that is already banned from almost all mailing lists, but came through this list. Happy New Year! Ralf From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Thu Jan 3 09:03:48 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850BB14211E2; Thu, 3 Jan 2019 09:03:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from qmastery16@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x144.google.com (mail-lf1-x144.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::144]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFE606AA21; Thu, 3 Jan 2019 09:03:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from qmastery16@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf1-x144.google.com with SMTP id i26so22726500lfc.0; Thu, 03 Jan 2019 01:03:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WIAFsRlkMLQngnhOYIAcYMV9q2zsRAFHE1eq2X2ttbA=; b=d0EmgRl3mcGwXoS8o3q2cNCCwyBQWynpjCgnJTPZxYYOHtppbroi2t/oZK4z8GhKyF CJVnbYo+REY6uM9EZcm1V505tKhAHY+Vg0XOtVYA4wL0VozR1OUsqVZOxzn1JcXFJlBW IIyZ4U7IGXrmsnwyHCYn67vQhP3K4VLEcX4euQCZ5YHQMjkO2edsO7Q1ohP7SMl70arR jj1jc5mZl+ZyFKMlwUlRkVgOThv8HG4sfCNCnJmLnF8adYfiaN+Ncz+6LahatOpEZbnF En0dQ6lNtrHYarB2y36eA0Wxi4fhRxlhyezXIf3dDebI3v4+WQ3xTGO02kEfpjNWvBDs X2Dg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WIAFsRlkMLQngnhOYIAcYMV9q2zsRAFHE1eq2X2ttbA=; b=Qt1pwgjhkl2lWp+bkw67b2ITOuxKsvBIwH/jtZli+q8F3WpQxGocP+ChQ4j2doU/ca 0UWOPkPsSEckug8YnPTy6AVxX6gZadCqMURSXanAnfg75B4ocV80jbAGcHblb+FLKptV /eS/XBeki8Z7IwvjL6oF4RJGTjOZp1h6X/wT5AAc8vIbYXqjiEWcpXl8ASlsTO3AWd/A ic2POCrqJz3NcVAhE+7gqBnW+4dDm+w4abQW5quicks0eG6jPX9Wy8Or57xEZc8rutdw 0409tEDb8QTfOUhUkdgVkRjgN0o0dZOpeZbFOM8g7FbgD6Ql/K0yz5W1v2UTEJ+Ft9UJ Hogw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWZgUO/H7I5c2qOzgAtrKIBg2Gf5exVCJw7zLbOBcGJ8sqDVk2Em 93JdnSBz/cS0E9gg1nnaq0odV6tHFqe2m4vlJR4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/XuoDTi+T3M01lLt+jxPWJvgjuSOLbMj71DVv5qEo8uLwMZcDa5KhrOCz9mGBRQSHFO4gY180S51O8h9rqqFho= X-Received: by 2002:a19:3b9c:: with SMTP id d28mr24708724lfl.30.1546506225518; Thu, 03 Jan 2019 01:03:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5887db663842c078851e7795512bca45@memeware.net> <1546396372.7355.6.camel@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: From: Ivan Ivanov Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 12:03:30 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: knifeshack (Linux Property rights) -- Why dislike short story? To: vsnsdualce@memeware.net Cc: Mike Galbraith , Linux Kernel Mailing List , freebsd-women@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, misc@openbsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: DFE606AA21 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=d0EmgRl3; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of qmastery16@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::144 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=qmastery16@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.16 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.63)[-0.626,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.59)[0.589,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.990,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.4.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-0.12)[ip: (2.98), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-1.86), asn: 15169(-1.64), country: US(-0.08)]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmx.de]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 09:03:48 -0000 maybe Mike Galbraith is one of those SJWs who took over the Linux kernel and slowly taking over the rest of opensource projects. We must REESIST ! =D1=87=D1=82, 3 =D1=8F=D0=BD=D0=B2. 2019 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 11:51, : > > On 2019-01-02 02:32, Mike Galbraith wrote: > > Take your medication. > > Why don't you like my short story? From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Fri Jan 4 07:00:00 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758CD141E230; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 07:00:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vnsndalce@memeware.net) Received: from cock.li (cock.li [IPv6:2a06:1700:0:b::c0cc]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A15058401D; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 06:59:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vnsndalce@memeware.net) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS, T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=memeware.net; s=mail; t=1546585185; bh=mq9GT4/gfrryNANB6qb35FNyLLdqaPWYZS/BxkiLA/4=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:From; b=Qi/y2JeuPgWvvOY9agzKuMFR4BfjGvtwceVSft2b5v4xfeGodvL5AF4h3UKprOf2g E+Hf3TxeURmtkUK8CMddLDEENQu42Ih1rG2mxlW6qMq8orVjC+IF7zZjPf607VL6k1 ML5/wnS0Rsd+buM2ZWhADM578BGDFzBMNM1K/jMe1iJ0xXZYnGf0tK+Hby6+TTCL71 K9TyQCUHwmDpwc9r9OKVD2V5aIkCelb6xYkbcGSmXOEUwCSOkIbb6EXpCOJS/4iK2Y v8Xn9FbevFQ4MD02ba29dD+qK/mHsGGJ08SG3vyC76c/8wyDxg0U1ncas9clGFit2t KW+rzFNY1rFLw== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 06:59:44 +0000 From: vnsndalce@memeware.net To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org, ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com, debian-user@lists.debian.org Cc: freebsd-women@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, misc@openbsd.org, esr@thyrsus.com, moglen@columbia.edu Subject: ZDNet article on GPL is wrong and misleading. PJ (paralegal) does not fully understand the law she's spoke about. Message-ID: <5918e2886da009d3a2e962d1c7c8b2da@memeware.net> X-Sender: vnsndalce@memeware.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: A15058401D X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none (invalid DKIM record) header.d=memeware.net header.s=mail header.b=Qi/y2Jeu; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vnsndalce@memeware.net designates 2a06:1700:0:b::c0cc as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vnsndalce@memeware.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.61 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[memeware.net]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[memeware.net:~]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx1.cock.li]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[9]; R_DKIM_PERMFAIL(0.00)[memeware.net:s=mail]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.933,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-3.36)[ip: (-8.83), ipnet: 2a06:1700::/48(-4.41), asn: 200651(-3.49), country: SC(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:200651, ipnet:2a06:1700::/48, country:SC]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 07:00:00 -0000 Often cited now is a ZDNet article as proof that the black-letter law is wrong. https://www.zdnet.com/article/what-happens-if-you-try-to-take-your-code-out-of-linux/ In there is quoted: > In 2008, Pamela Jones at Groklaw remarked to an earlier attempt to take > code out of the kernel, "[You] can't retroactively revoke licenses > previously granted, unless the license terms allow you to do so. The > most you can do is stop granting new licenses." (Pamela Jones was a paralegal). > Jones continued "Here's the GPL v2. See any terms allowing you to > revoke? Me neither." In short, we've seen this problem before. Now, this is true for commercial licenses which are contracts, that is because an interest is attached: You payed consideration for the terms of the contract. The contract states a method of revocation, you payed the owner for that term, that term controls. This is NOT true for a license (permission to use property) that has simply been given to you. This is a crucial point that they keep ignoring, intentionally. I have the legal books they are reading and operating from, and they simply speak about commercial licensing contracts. They're helpful if you're just going through the motions to get cases before a judge, but without knowing the rest of the law: one doesn't know what one doesn't know. Basically how they are researching the law is: "ok let's look up the subject: Copyright", they then look up "revocation", and read how the courts generally resolve these issues, these issues always involving commercial paid licensing contracts, and not gratuitous licenses. They do not ask "well why is it that these various copyright licenses are irrevocable?". The reason is: they are irrevocable because the taker has payed for them to be irrevocable. They payed the owner for that term, and the owner can't then take away what he gave them. (A lawyer, generally, knows this and has a wider view of the law. A paralegal: no - they work mostly on whatever their employer works on. And yet ZD Net and everyone else cites her and ignores the underlying law.) Which simply is not the case with a gratuitous grant of permission. They either didn't pay attention to that part in law school, forgot about it, or are trying to defend the position of their clients. Many of the various linux programmers simply gave permission, and didn't ask for anything in return. Additionally the takers did not give them anything in return (not that an un-asked for payment would sufficent: it wouldn't be). Thus it is a gratuity from linux-coder-1007 to downloading-and-hacking-entity-10000007 that said entity may use linux-coder-1007's code, and modify it, and redistribute the modifications. It's a pure gratuitous license from linux-coder-1007 to whomever. And that permission can be rescinded by linux-coder-1007 when he wishes. Basically the words of a paralegal is taken as gospel truth, the words of a license attorney, even when explaining the issues in great detail, including their foundations, is taken as dog shit. > "LOL NOPE: PJ said otherwise in 2005, u wrong!" <"PJ is repeating the rule she knows from a section in Copyright Litigation Handbook, which applies to commercial copyright contracts, very specifically _because_ they are _commercial_ _contracts_ (that is: the taking side has secured his interest, there has been a meeting of the minds, etc). And yes I have the same handbook, along with many many other volumes" > "Haha fuck you you don't know anything and are LYING!"