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charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 14:16:29 +0000 From: opensourcevideogames@redchan.it To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Xonotic vs ChaosEsque:Anthology, Which to chose. 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A debate on OpenSource FPS's > Xonotic over ChaosEsqueAnthology: .................................. Ayyo. Before you make a big mistake in choosing a project or sum shit you gotta be feeling the ways of the both the people. You feel me? M'fcking Xonotic and dis bullshit is diffrens. Xonotic devs deeply respect women and their rights and privileges. Dis Bullshit devs hate women's rights and have been harranging FLOSS femininists fo like a decade. (Citation: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/MikeeUSA ) Xonotic Developers contribute to society by working real jobs. Dis Bullshit is a pack of fucking NEETs who say dey ain't workin fo no enemy. Xonotic Programmers are attracted to real Women. Dis BULLSHIT faggots want to take little girls as brides. Xonotic Men respect and uphold modern ethical understandings and beliefs. DIS BULLSHIT NEET FUCKS worship the war god of the jews and cite "deuteronomy" as reason why raping young female children into marraige is "awwwite" (Example: "Deuteronomy 22, 28-29,hebrew, see na'ar, tahpas bla bla bla bla" -- These words are all spam-filtered on soylentnews.org for a reason) Xonotic Paragons have a correct work:life:hobby balance and deeply love real women. Dis_Bullshit neet faggots do not work, do not life, they just program the videogame and make maps for it. They hate women and like little girls (and we all know that little girls are basically boys). Choose wisely for you will be judged by the company you keep. If you want to get fired from your job: fine: shack up with mikeeeusa and the faggot neets of Dis Bullshit and their mountain of shit. You know: if you like pedophiles and guns so much. Also the neet assholes added disgusting things like working torture chambers into the game. Do you honestly want to be associated with that? .................................. > CEA over Xonotic: .................................. Some things to consider: Chaos-Esque Anthology has little things coded in over the years like: Bullet Deceleration in Water (along with trails) (thus you can use water for cover like in real life) Blood splatter on walls when bullets pass through players (noticed Unreal 97 had this, and Xonotic didn't, so it was coded in). and various other little niggling details that were noticed as absent and programmed in over the years. It also has big things like the tons of added weapons, and all the rest that has allready been mentioned. Xonotic itself could be prone to puritanism: one of the devs wanted to strip out all the player models and replace them with only robots so it is "less violent" (don't think they did it, but it was discussed). Chaos-Esque doesn't entertain such thoughts. Xonotic has code churn from time to time when a dev decides to refactor everything in the "right way". Samual did this once, and later some new guys refactored the whole thing again. Chaos-Esque does not do this. It refines the codebase it has. The machine doesn't care how asthetic ones quakec dialect appears to humans. (Rewriting codebases for no reason can reintroduce long banished bugs). You can think of Xonotic as american-christianity: subject to bouts of shakerism and other fads, while Chaos-Esque Anthology is more listening to the voices of antiquity. Chaos-Esque Anthology believes in slow, steady, methodical advancement. Like a large gear biting into whatever it is biting into. Xonotic is more of a ... talk about things... some bouts of revolutionary change... some iconoclasm... and churn in developers. Chaos-Esque Anthology has one developer. Who listens to no one, who no one talks to. One of these projects makes more progress than the other. Now, on the otherhand: Xonotic has a ... (close eyes, savor the moment, breathe in, breathe out)... Xonotic has a Community. You can go to Xonotic. You can approach it. You can Talk to it. There are people you can say hey what is up, how be ist. You can talk about new features you want, discuss enacting them, have arguments about it. You cannot do this with Chaos-Esque. I mean, you can talk to a wall. On the other hand, whatever feature you want in your heart... it has a good chance of simply appearing in Chaos-Esque. The development model is: force of will. You will it. That desire is tranferred to the heart of the developer. He has the desire to suddenly implement a new feature. That feature is willed into existance. Many people scoff at this development model saying that it lacks _Communication_, however Chaos-Esque has 185 weapons and Xonotic has 18. Many people go on the Xonotic forum, make a feature request... and unbeknonst to them Chaos-Esque has had this thing for many years (they will never know). Note: Xonotic (and ofcourse Chaos-Esque) has a way of seperating game types. You could do ./xonotic-executable -game vanilla, and ./xonotic-chaos-esque executable -game chaos ................... From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Wed Jan 23 18:20:48 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF5A14AF10C for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 18:20:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linuxgpletc@redchan.it) Received: from cock.li (cock.li [IPv6:2a06:1700:0:b::c0cc]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AD8385460 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 18:20:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linuxgpletc@redchan.it) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=redchan.it; s=mail; t=1548267643; bh=m6Hkaa0uw9ENznnd+WQDlT/SHQLXPafqcsmxsn2wJh8=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=drU/6ePBUpEIQ+vKdDmct4O66ggaWBfKIZlmC2RVexeixGuzBqjmlwIt3hlxalTdo BSsnRwWo2Aucw8YlMTy0+c34vSMp3sElPOPW2BmE4yYoJSCxgudogWkXPu3Ss5qnt7 U+JszQ/jeLYCZb1u0S7mKRi/r7VjMgd4OoijGB9Jt9dev22CGF1kBp9bwDhG6x0HRt QpwCai8CUmTJvTlxG9vFxIQTTjwjoGaNS+TH/B/z2737j8SPdhMNJ+OUANPzGKMSy1 OtCNlUGsucRiIqCeB3dCFR+iXYQBLrkRm8h7MYwK/oshl8QS/lH1UNp//tMV8+UAEv bwCOj2a5Y617Q== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 18:20:43 +0000 From: linuxgpletc@redchan.it To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org, misc@openbsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, rms@gnu.org Subject: GRSec is vital to Linux security Message-ID: <53c67672a3c5c9d4ed203287408c6d39@redchan.it> X-Sender: linuxgpletc@redchan.it User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 5AD8385460 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=redchan.it header.s=mail header.b=drU/6ePB; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of linuxgpletc@redchan.it designates 2a06:1700:0:b::c0cc as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linuxgpletc@redchan.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.87 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[redchan.it:s=mail]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[redchan.it]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx1.cock.li]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[redchan.it:+]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.88)[-0.883,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-3.47)[ip: (-9.13), ipnet: 2a06:1700::/48(-4.56), asn: 200651(-3.58), country: SC(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:200651, ipnet:2a06:1700::/48, country:SC]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 18:20:48 -0000 There are two iron laws when it comes to the linux-kernel and it's facing towards the larger world. 1) The grsecurity-pax patch is absolutely vital if one wishes to not be hacked by chinese(TM). (And has been vital for the last 15+ years.) 2) GRSecurity is _blatantly_ violating the GPL by adding additional restrictive terms. Other things we have come to know is that A) Linus is a poor judge of quality, or just out of touch. To say that GRSecurity is garbage? No linus, it's just the layer covering up the shit heap that the linux-kernel is when it comes to exploitable code. That stench you smell is not that nice grassy cover over the garbage tip, it is what is below, what that top is holding down. You know... I would expect the things that Linus said about GRSecurity from a white woman... I would expect that. Knowing nothing, spouting bullshit, destroying lives. That's their _thing_. But from a man? Well, goes to show you. White men ain't men. Best they are is 40 year old bois. Faggots to say for short in American parlance. Same reason they won't hold it down when a bunch of fucking cunts CoC them. You build the whole edifice, then you let a bunch of do-nothing white women rule over the thing you built and you. But hey, that's Linux! From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Wed Jan 23 22:28:51 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E4014B4623 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 22:28:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linuxgpletc@redchan.it) Received: from cock.li (cock.li [IPv6:2a06:1700:0:b::c0cc]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA6488E47E for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 22:28:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linuxgpletc@redchan.it) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=redchan.it; s=mail; t=1548282525; bh=yf/+IV/vn7/J86Ya2sqUAAyKoDrcBK4L9VNRaNJVFJo=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=jaJiztQ/YPoH/VbDXLgOXuSF20eDTjNzQQ71V18eTq373gOBLQlWxJ/1zPYCgwBH4 TeQA5zFUCdgO3fUop5RVJ5oN4563t1oHebCdWv55O7DNZZdX753Py6bexpvT/DJQxO 3cqJsqMq6U9Bii8u6IpisfcqL8J9278mG/EpwENiWzaoBE4HO07v5fgbyQdAt1HYSN 9CgaaGxxcOKUyAUpUSRWWvdd6rzWt1EH6gDJhpXPnaSzphkUiraA99OIjhwPmJJ/gR PV0eSYnCPx4hw6rcPtieo37ZPaNQ9sOJGjWp11eGrk4smT13ehhe4ETt9yZoBEZXPk uxAXXi9Ru0W4w== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 22:28:45 +0000 From: linuxgpletc@redchan.it To: Ivan Ivanov Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, misc@openbsd.org, gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org, rms@gnu.org, esr@thyrsus.com Subject: Re: GRSec is vital to Linux security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <28315c204184b212a3a60cdd393c3fd3@redchan.it> X-Sender: linuxgpletc@redchan.it User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: BA6488E47E X-Spamd-Bar: ------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=redchan.it header.s=mail header.b=jaJiztQ/; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of linuxgpletc@redchan.it designates 2a06:1700:0:b::c0cc as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linuxgpletc@redchan.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-7.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[redchan.it:s=mail]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[redchan.it]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.990,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx1.cock.li]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[redchan.it:+]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[7]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-3.50)[ip: (-9.20), ipnet: 2a06:1700::/48(-4.60), asn: 200651(-3.61), country: SC(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:200651, ipnet:2a06:1700::/48, country:SC]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 22:28:51 -0000 On 2019-01-23 20:46, Ivan Ivanov wrote: > Interesting point of view. Well, to be honest it seems to me that > Linux kernel sacrifices the security for the sake of progress, so it > is quite bloated at the moment and I am not sure that even GRSecurity > could fix it. Linux really needs to stop adding new features and > refactor itself to a smaller and more secure codebase before going > forward. Maybe 1 year break would be nice. This man speaks the truth. The constant flux reintroduces long-fixed bugs, like a constant inflowing tide. The code can never be stabilized due to the endless needless work of the worker-bee wage-slaves. Thus the code always has new hidden security errors. GRSecurity can barely keep up. A "feature" of the wage-slave era of Linux, that we did not have in the Hacker era of Linux (the people targeted by the CoC, who actually created the land where the wage-slave code churners now graze) "Free" workers from for-profit and government connected enterprises do not come with no-strings-attached, and the enterprises are not stupid: they refactor to get their way if an initial strategy isn't working. The only real flux of any significant magnitude that should occur is with the addition of new drivers. Instead code is ripped out and replaced everywhere for little to no real gain. That being said... GRSecurity's GPL violation is the most blatant upfront violation of the GPL I've ever seen (they put it in writing and don't try to hide it (you redistribute, we punish you)). They also do not deal with small businesses or people who would like to purchase a "license" from them. Only large businesses and government contracts. They're afraid that a small company would pay for 1 server "license" and then release the code, I think. Some people wonder why hasn't anyone penetrated their Download server and stolen the code back and released it? Maybe because GRSecurity knows what they're doing. If it were hosted on a vanilla linux server, it would be out by now. Remember: it's been well over a year. Not one leak of the code, not one penetration, nothing. They know how to secure a linux machine. Linus does not. He just allows endless useless flux, barely manages the project, places it all in the hands of the wage-slaves (who simply do their job for their company, not for the betterment of the thing (no passion)) and ousts the old Hackers who built the thing with Linus from the ground up originally. Legal action could be taken to stop GrSecurity's blatant violation; one could atleast sue for the profits. It is a non-seperable work, they are violating the "no additional restrictions" rule, in writing. They violated the copyright - it's as simple as that in the end. No one does a thing. Ofcourse the wage-slaves do not: they don't own their own code and don't have agency even over their own lives anyway. Their bosses could do something though, the companies that own the wage-slave's code. The Hackers, who's code still resides in the linux kernel AND/OR who's code was a predecessor of current code (even if it is not the same as their original code) also have standing. Nothing is done. It's as if the GPL is just worthless trash. It has not stopped GRSecurity from closing their derivative work of the kernel and threatening anyone who would redistribute the non-separable derivative work. They just laugh at Linus, the Hackers, and especially the wage-slaves. Didn't someone once say "Linux will be free forever" (hint: Lawrence Rosen). A piece of Linux isn't now... It hasn't panned out in reality. From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Thu Jan 24 03:10:08 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C84314BEAE7 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 03:10:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from mail37c50.megamailservers.eu (mail230c50.megamailservers.eu [91.136.10.240]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03DCC742A1 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 03:10:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) X-Authenticated-User: ralf.mardorf@o2mail.de Received: from archlinux (x5d877e2b.dyn.telefonica.de [93.135.126.43]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail37c50.megamailservers.eu (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id x0O25DD0009332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 02:05:14 +0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 03:05:16 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GRSec is vital to Linux security Message-ID: <20190124030516.704295c9@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20190124030149.5692e195@archlinux> References: <28315c204184b212a3a60cdd393c3fd3@redchan.it> <20190124030149.5692e195@archlinux> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0207.5C491D5A.0078, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.3 cv=POghB8iC c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=/MRw90aSLzcSSOzLNkI+QQ==:117 a=/MRw90aSLzcSSOzLNkI+QQ==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ZY2U2Br0YG1ZXGhAn8gA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 03DCC742A1 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net designates 91.136.10.240 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.20 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.22)[-0.218,0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:91.136.10.0/24]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-chat@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.88)[-0.883,0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.91)[0.910,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx4c52.megamailservers.eu]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[alice-dsl.net]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[43.126.135.93.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[240.10.136.91.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:9115, ipnet:91.136.0.0/17, country:GB]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.11)[ipnet: 91.136.0.0/17(-0.26), asn: 9115(-0.21), country: GB(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 03:10:08 -0000 On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 03:01:49 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 22:28:45 +0000, linuxgpletc@redchan.it wrote: >>This man speaks the truth. > >It doesn't matter, if it is the truth or not. Whining doesn't solve >anything. Security isn't mine concern. I'm using computers to make >music, this means that I need to use Linux to get rid of Apple issues >and I need to use Apple to get rid of Linux issues. I even need to run >Windows in a VM, to run software to program my guitar synth that isn't >available for Apple and is buggy for Linux. If I would have more money, >I would buy stand-alone gear and pay for the large room that is needed >to room the gear, IOW I wouldn't use an "empathy" computer at all to ^^^^^^^ this should read "allround" Ooops, a clipboard copy and paste issue, resp. a weakness of my skills to focus. >make music. However, this kind of "problems" are luxury problems. On >this planet some people don't have clean water, clothes and not enough >to eat. I seriously doubt that they care about security issues of >computers connected to the Internet, or about my needs. They battle for >their existence. > >If you still insist in continuing trolling, then please do it regarding >something that is important. No one on this planet should die of >hunger! > >If you would spam all the Linux and FreeBSD lists with topics about us >using FreeBSD and/or Linux, while other people don't have access to >drinkable water and we should be ashamed, I would have empathy even for >whining. -- pacman -Q linux{,-rt{-securityink,-cornflower,,-pussytoes}}|cut -d\ -f2 4.20.3.arch1-1 4.19.15_rt12-0 4.19.13_rt10-0 4.19.10_rt8-0 4.18.16_rt9-1 From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Thu Jan 24 02:40:11 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E609314BD579 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 02:40:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from mail56c50.megamailservers.eu (mail236c50.megamailservers.eu [91.136.10.246]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D17937276B for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 02:40:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) X-Authenticated-User: ralf.mardorf@o2mail.de Received: from archlinux (x5d877e2b.dyn.telefonica.de [93.135.126.43]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail56c50.megamailservers.eu (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id x0O21j7p002786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 02:01:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 03:01:49 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GRSec is vital to Linux security Message-ID: <20190124030149.5692e195@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <28315c204184b212a3a60cdd393c3fd3@redchan.it> References: <28315c204184b212a3a60cdd393c3fd3@redchan.it> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B020B.5C491C8B.002F, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.3 cv=Oo5hNR3t c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=/MRw90aSLzcSSOzLNkI+QQ==:117 a=/MRw90aSLzcSSOzLNkI+QQ==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=XS3HQ5M3f46GDQt3FjwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D17937276B X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net designates 91.136.10.246 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.10 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.14)[-0.135,0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:91.136.10.0/24]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-chat@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.87)[-0.868,0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.92)[0.923,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx4c52.megamailservers.eu,mx1c52.megamailservers.eu,mx2c52.megamailservers.eu,mx3c52.megamailservers.eu]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[alice-dsl.net]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[246.10.136.91.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:9115, ipnet:91.136.0.0/17, country:GB]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.12)[ipnet: 91.136.0.0/17(-0.27), asn: 9115(-0.22), country: GB(-0.09)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[43.126.135.93.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 02:40:11 -0000 On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 22:28:45 +0000, linuxgpletc@redchan.it wrote: >This man speaks the truth. It doesn't matter, if it is the truth or not. Whining doesn't solve anything. Security isn't mine concern. I'm using computers to make music, this means that I need to use Linux to get rid of Apple issues and I need to use Apple to get rid of Linux issues. I even need to run Windows in a VM, to run software to program my guitar synth that isn't available for Apple and is buggy for Linux. If I would have more money, I would buy stand-alone gear and pay for the large room that is needed to room the gear, IOW I wouldn't use an "empathy" computer at all to make music. However, this kind of "problems" are luxury problems. On this planet some people don't have clean water, clothes and not enough to eat. I seriously doubt that they care about security issues of computers connected to the Internet, or about my needs. They battle for their existence. If you still insist in continuing trolling, then please do it regarding something that is important. No one on this planet should die of hunger! If you would spam all the Linux and FreeBSD lists with topics about us using FreeBSD and/or Linux, while other people don't have access to drinkable water and we should be ashamed, I would have empathy even for whining. 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charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 16:22:00 +0000 From: linuxgpletc@redchan.it To: "Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" Cc: Ivan Ivanov , Linux Kernel Mailing List , gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, misc@openbsd.org, rms@gnu.org Subject: Re: GRSec is vital to Linux security In-Reply-To: <3efc6268-747d-0841-4249-5804fa9095ca@metux.net> References: <3efc6268-747d-0841-4249-5804fa9095ca@metux.net> Message-ID: X-Sender: linuxgpletc@redchan.it User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: A24DF7134B X-Spamd-Bar: ------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=redchan.it header.s=mail header.b=X2raicFj; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of linuxgpletc@redchan.it designates 2a06:1700:0:b::c0cc as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linuxgpletc@redchan.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-7.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[redchan.it:s=mail]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; 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Sue Open Source Security / Bradly Spengler for copyright infringement. Seek his profits as damages. I doubt you'll be able to get specific performance since the GPL is not a contact in this instance. (If you registered your copyright prior to the violation you can alternatively go for statutory damages + attoneys fees btw) He is _blatantly_ violating your copyright by adding an additional restrictive term regarding the distribution of his non-separable derivative work of the linux kernel code. From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Thu Jan 24 16:40:42 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A5314B4E66 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 16:40:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linuxgpletc@redchan.it) Received: from cock.li (cock.li [IPv6:2a06:1700:0:b::c0cc]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48D2671D2B for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 16:40:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linuxgpletc@redchan.it) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=redchan.it; s=mail; t=1548348038; bh=nr56L68jt/bHcgtSOj4u1H0Y+1cbVJA6eI+u4YFivH4=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=hxju/3Myygw8xm0QfhCmFDO5tafnwttQO2QEMefxHF/TCwJ1ImWrmvZuOMwagitCc atRZJuvVeXikdGmd5cB8+BioOpU3aJ0fNHwy9rZihsXdFFzB6HFDfg5+eHXRXWMNOs SQqRPAApJU1g/i/exed7TQHqXT1AgZfRRDhBpDeN5bdtrBusXqdG8YbX2wNvwmbhI/ M3QV7l/t4vD6ZaSKPoCrg0FVbt3IStk246T7XONB03d5pZPMsT8N0dtLSRnJKMcMpB XkyTbJ4WPdCZOPv5ApcXU3TJmuivRKeGSid7cNt7Kr+EARkD0MkDp9qkRJghFIFlms tbBojGOz4FA8w== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 16:40:37 +0000 From: linuxgpletc@redchan.it To: "Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" Cc: Ivan Ivanov , Linux Kernel Mailing List , gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, misc@openbsd.org, rms@gnu.org Subject: Fwd: Re: GRSec is vital to Linux security In-Reply-To: <3efc6268-747d-0841-4249-5804fa9095ca@metux.net> References: <3efc6268-747d-0841-4249-5804fa9095ca@metux.net> Message-ID: X-Sender: linuxgpletc@redchan.it User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48D2671D2B X-Spamd-Bar: ------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=redchan.it header.s=mail header.b=hxju/3My; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of linuxgpletc@redchan.it designates 2a06:1700:0:b::c0cc as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linuxgpletc@redchan.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-7.02 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[redchan.it:s=mail]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[redchan.it]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx1.cock.li]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[redchan.it:+]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[7]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.969,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-3.54)[ip: (-9.32), ipnet: 2a06:1700::/48(-4.66), asn: 200651(-3.65), country: SC(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:200651, ipnet:2a06:1700::/48, country:SC]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 16:40:42 -0000 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: GRSec is vital to Linux security Date: 2019-01-24 16:25 From: Boris Lukashev To: linuxgpletc@redchan.it You've never heard of VMware, I take it? Its a proprietary half Linux which beats GPL suits with strong arm tactics and technicalities. Unlike grsec, they don't distribute any source, because it's proof of theft... Grsecs back port work is also public, since they're public upstream patches or mailing list patches, the GCC plugins are the real magic... Those aren't as GPL as the kernel, rap is patented, respectre likely will be as well. The critical code changes they need (per CPU PGD, for one) will not be accepted as Linus has "said so." Those code bits are out there... Also, doesn't matter if their patch leaks for the most part (4.4 just did get leaked a few weeks back), as I wrote before, nobody really has the time or skill available to maintain at their level of quality... Linux might be free, but it's not something that should be run in production when there's data or resource at stake. Is the thought process that they should open up their commercial stable code for free to all? Because RHEL has the same "don't leak" policy on RHEL sources too... VMware even goes so far as to blatantly claim not to use Linux. How about Google's internal Linux? GPL is dead (has been for 20y), build the strongest defenses you can with whatever code you can get and prove, because your adversaries won't care about which license clause their tooling adheres to. Boris Lukashev Systems Architect Semper Victus -------- Original Message -------- From: linuxgpletc@redchan.it Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 05:35 PM To: bruce@perens.com Subject: Re: GRSec is vital to Linux security CC: moglen@columbia.edu,bkuhn@sfconservancy.org,compliance@sfconservancy.org,blukashev@sempervictus.com,tcallawa@redhat.com,torvalds@osdl.org