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"About freebsd-chat This list contains the overflow from the other lists about non-technical, social information. It includes discussion about whether Jordan looks like a tune ferret or not, whether or not to type in capitals, who is drinking too much coffee, where the best beer is brewed, who is brewing beer in their basement, and so on. Occasional announcements of important events (such as upcoming parties, weddings, births, new jobs, etc) can be made to the technical lists, but the follow ups should be directed to this list." The reply is below the quoted text. On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 21:44:10 -0700, Morty Yara wrote: >Time have changed. I'm not saying that this is easy. > >Microsoft has altered their operating system to report real-time data >back to a central data repository. They managed to do this because the >operating system was just so easy to use, users had the natural >inclination to touch the propriety OS instead of free and open source >software. Next, next, next, and you've accepted browser history >disclosure through the setup along with your voice fragments, for >which a BestBuy associate, or perhaps an automated process has >accepted the terms of the license agreement, at a physical store >before you even bought the machine. I just wanted to tell you the >truth. You are one of the only remaining options for users who wish to >be free. (FreeBSD) Of course, we can optimize our settings to disable >the tracking, diagtrack, set that to 4 with regedit 'disabled'. >Firewall, set it to blocking from the inside, remove the default >configuration from MS. Add almost 100 entries to the host file, but >the OS will ignore some entries anyways. The system administrator >thought that NAT meant to block from the inside too, but that wasn't a >true firewall, it was network address translation.. Windows Update, >set a policy to prevent automated rebooting of the machine while >you're working. NAT, it's just a program that took the source address, >and updated each frame to correspond to the outside layer 3 address >and network. I took the time send you this because you this because I >know you have the opportunity to create the next free OS. The one that >respects people's rights. It's not going to be easy, but you have the >opportunity to create an alternative. > >Monitor mode to see each machine on the network, instead of the Android >mentality of not allowing low-level network access all together. >Android users don't even have access to the ARP table in Android 10 >'permission denied'. Which devices are on your WiFi network anyways? >From Google, Fing, we destroyed you're whole business. Trying to >protect your home with Haven? We will disallow camera access from a >background thread, and we'll say that this is in the name of fighting >APT malware. > >You are free and open source developers up against something that is >truly evil. Regardless of what it said here, the community is looking >to you to give the choices back. Look at Android. Most devices have >locked the bootloader down to the point where free and open software >(FOSS) could not even run without a signatory key from the device's >manufacture who would never escrow such a key without monetary >involvement. Create the software, the platform, that mobile devices >can run on. Let each user have access to software and we will do the >rest, to ensure that no one is denied access to this software, even at >risk of our own lives. Create something that is truly intuitive. Make >a whole new desktop OS that define Microsoft's and Apple's logic. The Linux distro Ubuntu has got a huge community and some quite good financial scope, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Shuttleworth . Ubuntu Touch is discontinued by Ubuntu, "due to lack of market interest on 5 April 2017", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Touch . I suspect a lot of people are in favour of portable devices with proprietary operating systems, since they want professional software, that isn't available for FLOSS operating systems and they probably want very modern hardware, too. At least I migrated from my FLOSS desktop computer for two domains to an iPad Pro. The iPad Pro is my digital audio workstation and graphic tablet. It not only is more efficient, due to software that isn't available for FreeBSD and Linux, it's also less expensive. I repeat it, in the end, the in the first place way more expensive iPad Pro, is less expensive than even a desktop PC running FLOSS. I dislike capitalism, but the advantage of unfettered capitalism is technological innovation on a very high level. Free as in beer open source is good in some tried and trusted domains, such as server usage, but technological innovation bundles of modern hardware and several software domains is a week point of free as in beer open source software. By the way, some programs available for FreeBSD and Linux phone home, too, unless you explicitly disable it. The digital audio workstation Ardour for example has got a build time configuration option python2 waf configure --no-phone-home Yes, it would be nice to get FLOSS alternatives for everything, but it's naive to expect that this is sort of realisable. Since it's FLOSS don't ask other to do it. You should be the one to initialise the realisation. Let us know about your ideas how to fund development of the required hardware and software, to keep up with proprietary solutions. Regards, Ralf