From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sun Aug 11 05:01:02 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56DF4AF764 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 05:01:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mrussi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x431.google.com (mail-wr1-x431.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::431]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 465myj2Jw5z4Yfn for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 05:01:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mrussi@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x431.google.com with SMTP id n9so101864261wru.0 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2019 22:01:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=GDXgytr3mx3SqARd4+sRwni2/t5AUv7Ny9gfoS76ZXI=; b=UCjYFhvbAMIZRgUxy1vWE3D/o6eOvkZ+jVY5rWd6xNDP8eire741kTgLEpON9mpSQI JE78Ku+IVLJtayAURlN6WOlv5qM+SvDX7kMJUlDtdxtu3ley02RvfSOfb3J9VSl3ydAg EqPP8TtpIf0gzZldMIuxC/RtHPYEMsfG6XCDMu7KpQlKPQbByJcp82KGPCKaycF8Jg+x qIsoKSu0OQNxvKHn7lrIUvgFvOrlJVL9lFhOb4Q1F6mF8y+lvu1AauRp5op1obWlPrml 9C/581WLsvxhmwmIP9u08vG0l9kP4e2HrQ8XPgdnb6CpLlM5rbd6tUg6Fp66u3b51VGP rtyA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=GDXgytr3mx3SqARd4+sRwni2/t5AUv7Ny9gfoS76ZXI=; b=hP5z/S7DLnvMwnouLt6XVaaNIETCoxtO3Pcvmy4mP27ZdaDh1Gcu2XjHxZkqsYhoDA VPaadPPacpq+HLW/O7dQR8X5Y0jBOhwng84QvCuQhfGGTvMprIy8jkqN798sDKutyy8H HX9PYSouYokFDS9G6c/l3rM7vsPnYhD0Ho5T1/ZWwVzFrnJbhicnm9XO6jxhg7Oh7i91 Pe3ttk3Ql2z2jcgtj1wB33BK35Phcm4fSary6hj16dexWcwTTGUzn17/BDsHXuD2AjOY /G8rtL0oBQIwjE+2+Mz3IRYGhpF4aSFcUEPEvsG+ZS5Ewd9MnQP6gJNeZW2oky/pJBxq 9mFw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXVWqJVdNI5h+b2oYetorGarvQMUcn6Od/IinNCCcjTAc9fCLdL D2vrgHUKbma5xRH4c6HV+fgxe/FrybdOWuBF/yHxGw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqybCMTBAwJreBkNfXXJTJzowuuGo9fE2jvk3MOoZiqXTs51KMsVME86bCqGVDpsLBmdxcPfSWqO067mNCCRTMs= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:698f:: with SMTP id g15mr1180719wru.310.1565499659506; Sat, 10 Aug 2019 22:00:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Matt Russi Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 01:00:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [NEW PORT] net-p2p/lidarr: Music collection manager for Usenet and BitTorrent users To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 465myj2Jw5z4Yfn X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=UCjYFhvb; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mrussi@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::431 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mrussi@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.38), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-3.05), asn: 15169(-2.40), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.3.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 05:01:02 -0000 Hi all, My apologies if this is not the correct place to post this. Would a committer be available to review this New Port request? portlint and testport are OK. https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=234233 Regards, Matt From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sun Aug 11 18:41:29 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3467ABF25D for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 18:41:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@waschbuesch.de) Received: from relay02.waschbuesch.it (relay02.waschbuesch.it [IPv6:2a00:cba0:100::232]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.waschbuesch.it", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46679M3CMZz4F0T for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 18:41:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@waschbuesch.de) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=waschbuesch.de; s=dkim; h=Message-Id:In-Reply-To:To:References:Date:Subject :Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:From:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=/1JFsZLr4YaYHaWPKKFEQUGfeprPihYSVqkPRevGuxk=; b=AJXY3f0ajOIi/LE9yZA6Tswu2X C0n1xGCe4LumaoniIxgG5HinUQVCtG9W7yAKo2J0/vKbtnVDUGJj3f0PylIAtr4OdT/Tmfalg63T7 hXMOa5EJABS6VdCS7MsZ1plevDjy3z6H2wknF3KZBQRh+UVB9vuYwqEM6kbTyo3htE7U=; Received: by relay02.waschbuesch.it with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim) (envelope-from ) id 1hwsmQ-000IR7-6w for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 18:41:22 +0000 From: =?utf-8?Q?Martin_Waschb=C3=BCsch?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: PHP version retirement Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 20:41:22 +0200 References: <64faf143-bae3-378c-3ee2-b196c2ea4111@astart.com> <16731AF5-68E9-4E41-8D21-CF5917BE32A4@waschbuesch.de> <20190810231216.GA23293@lyxys.ka.sub.org> To: FreeBSD Ports In-Reply-To: <20190810231216.GA23293@lyxys.ka.sub.org> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 46679M3CMZz4F0T X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=waschbuesch.de header.s=dkim header.b=AJXY3f0a; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=waschbuesch.de; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of martin@waschbuesch.de designates 2a00:cba0:100::232 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=martin@waschbuesch.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.06 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[waschbuesch.de:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[2.3.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.1.0.0.a.b.c.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[waschbuesch.de:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[waschbuesch.de,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.86)[-0.858,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-0.00)[country: DE(-0.01)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21476, ipnet:2a00:cba0::/32, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 18:41:29 -0000 Hi Wolfgang, > Am 11.08.2019 um 01:12 schrieb Wolfgang Zenker = : >=20 > * Martin Waschb=C3=BCsch [190811 00:47]: >>> Am 10.08.2019 um 20:18 schrieb Patrick Powell : >>>=20 >>> Umm this was just the kick in the pants that I needed to switch to = PHP 7. >>> See https://www.glaver.org/blog/?p=3D1109 for a desperation 'I need = PHP5.6' hack which I used during this update. >=20 >> Thank you, Patrick, >> that is a work-around I also came across. It helped me as well. >=20 > You could also have used the quarterly branch, which keeps software = till > the end of the quarter. In the case of php 5.6 it would have given you > time until March 31st, and would have included version 5.6.40 >=20 > Wolfgang 5.6.40 never made it into the main ports tree. Are you sure it was = available in the quarterly snapshot? From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sun Aug 11 19:05:35 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99F3BF930 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 19:05:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from franco@lastsummer.de) Received: from host64.shmhost.net (host64.shmhost.net [213.239.241.64]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4667jC0Q1zz4G7b for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 19:05:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from franco@lastsummer.de) Received: from [100.114.62.36] (ip-109-40-131-180.web.vodafone.de [109.40.131.180]) by host64.shmhost.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4667Wn1F5wzBvQp; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 20:57:25 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: PHP version retirement From: Franco Fichtner X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16G77) In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 21:57:23 +0300 Cc: FreeBSD Ports Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <64faf143-bae3-378c-3ee2-b196c2ea4111@astart.com> <16731AF5-68E9-4E41-8D21-CF5917BE32A4@waschbuesch.de> <20190810231216.GA23293@lyxys.ka.sub.org> To: =?utf-8?Q?Martin_Waschb=C3=BCsch?= X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.100.3 at host64.shmhost.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4667jC0Q1zz4G7b X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of franco@lastsummer.de has no SPF policy when checking 213.239.241.64) smtp.mailfrom=franco@lastsummer.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [8.11 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.00)[-0.004,0]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[180.131.40.109.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:213.239.192.0/18, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[180.131.40.109.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.4]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-0.25)[ip: (0.65), ipnet: 213.239.192.0/18(-0.05), asn: 24940(-1.82), country: DE(-0.01)]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[lastsummer.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.97)[0.972,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.99)[0.986,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[64.241.239.213.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 19:05:36 -0000 Quarterly is essentially useless if the decision is to immediately axe a dep= recated release. 3 months are nothing in production environments, if you get= 3 months (1,5 months mean) at all and also all other updates and security r= elevant bug fixes in the same quarterly that you desperately need. Yeah, we know that won=E2=80=99t happen so please don=E2=80=99t suggest it. That deprecation policy is nice and well all by itself except when it wreaks= havoc over the ports infrastructure like in the case of PHP version support= where numerous ports are immediately unavailable and incompatible with upgr= ades. Furthermore, the argument that it is more more work to maintain an abandoned= version is silly because it=E2=80=99s more work to delete a port that to ju= st keep it in the tree for a while longer. That =E2=80=9Ewhile=E2=80=9C is debatable, but it=E2=80=99s neither indefini= tely nor immediately. The people responsible for FreeBSD ports and packages w= ould be wise to enrich their policies with a more graceful way of dealing wi= th legacy software, especially if it relates to more than a handful of ports= in a single deprecation decision. TL;DR: don=E2=80=99t remove PHP ports prematurely and you=E2=80=99ll have le= ss work reading mails like these. Cheers, Franco > On 11. Aug 2019, at 21:41, Martin Waschb=C3=BCsch w= rote: >=20 > Hi Wolfgang, >=20 >> Am 11.08.2019 um 01:12 schrieb Wolfgang Zenker : >>=20 >> * Martin Waschb=C3=BCsch [190811 00:47]: >>>> Am 10.08.2019 um 20:18 schrieb Patrick Powell : >>>>=20 >>>> Umm this was just the kick in the pants that I needed to switch to PHP 7= . >>>> See https://www.glaver.org/blog/?p=3D1109 for a desperation 'I need PHP= 5.6' hack which I used during this update. >>=20 >>> Thank you, Patrick, >>> that is a work-around I also came across. It helped me as well. >>=20 >> You could also have used the quarterly branch, which keeps software till >> the end of the quarter. In the case of php 5.6 it would have given you >> time until March 31st, and would have included version 5.6.40 >>=20 >> Wolfgang >=20 >=20 > 5.6.40 never made it into the main ports tree. Are you sure it was availab= le in the quarterly snapshot? >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sun Aug 11 21:23:05 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD00C3115 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 21:23:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adamw@adamw.org) Received: from mail-wm1-x330.google.com (mail-wm1-x330.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::330]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466Blr4KyQz4Pp8 for ; 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FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-2.97)[ip: (-9.36), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-3.04), asn: 15169(-2.39), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 21:23:05 -0000 On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 1:05 PM Franco Fichtner wrot= e: > > Quarterly is essentially useless if the decision is to immediately axe a = deprecated release. 3 months are nothing in production environments, if you= get 3 months (1,5 months mean) at all and also all other updates and secur= ity relevant bug fixes in the same quarterly that you desperately need. > > Yeah, we know that won=E2=80=99t happen so please don=E2=80=99t suggest i= t. > > That deprecation policy is nice and well all by itself except when it wre= aks havoc over the ports infrastructure like in the case of PHP version sup= port where numerous ports are immediately unavailable and incompatible with= upgrades. > > Furthermore, the argument that it is more more work to maintain an abando= ned version is silly because it=E2=80=99s more work to delete a port that t= o just keep it in the tree for a while longer. That last part isn't correct. The work of deleting the ports is largely automated and simple, and it will always happen eventually. The work involved is in supporting unsupported versions. Our php team is spread very thin, and they simply cannot support php versions outside of upstream development. There are no resources to backport fixes that may or may not be designed to work with older versions > That =E2=80=9Ewhile=E2=80=9C is debatable, but it=E2=80=99s neither indef= initely nor immediately. The people responsible for FreeBSD ports and packa= ges would be wise to enrich their policies with a more graceful way of deal= ing with legacy software, especially if it relates to more than a handful o= f ports in a single deprecation decision. > > TL;DR: don=E2=80=99t remove PHP ports prematurely and you=E2=80=99ll have= less work reading mails like these. Part of the contract in providing packages includes providing support for them. Other OSes provide packages for software that they can never support, and there are definitely consequences for that paradigm. This is doubly true for PHP, which is extremely common and for which security fixes can be vitally important. I've been thinking about this a lot lately (I used to be hardline against it), but at this point I am not fundamentally opposed to the idea of providing old versions of major languages and interpreters, as long as (a) they cannot be specified by DEFAULT_VERSIONS, (b) nothing can ever depend on them, and (c) it is clear that they are provided without support and at your own peril. # Adam --=20 Adam Weinberger adamw@adamw.org https://www.adamw.org From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sun Aug 11 21:33:07 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C1DC34E6 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 21:33:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org) Received: from saturn.lyxys.ka.sub.org (saturn.lyxys.ka.sub.org [217.29.35.151]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466BzQ33Pkz4QbV for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 21:33:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org) Received: from juno.lyxys.ka.sub.org (juno.lyx [IPv6:fd2a:89ca:7d54:0:240:caff:fe92:4f47]) by saturn.lyxys.ka.sub.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x7BLVjHS020191 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 23:31:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org) Received: from juno.lyxys.ka.sub.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by juno.lyxys.ka.sub.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x7BLVjdn047291 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 23:31:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org) Received: (from wolfgang@localhost) by juno.lyxys.ka.sub.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id x7BLVjK0047288 for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 23:31:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: juno.lyx: wolfgang set sender to wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org using -f Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 23:31:45 +0200 From: Wolfgang Zenker To: FreeBSD Ports Subject: Re: PHP version retirement Message-ID: <20190811213145.GJ47196@lyxys.ka.sub.org> References: <64faf143-bae3-378c-3ee2-b196c2ea4111@astart.com> <16731AF5-68E9-4E41-8D21-CF5917BE32A4@waschbuesch.de> <20190810231216.GA23293@lyxys.ka.sub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Organization: private site User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (saturn.lyxys.ka.sub.org [IPv6:fd2a:89ca:7d54:1:200:24ff:feca:b4cc]); Sun, 11 Aug 2019 23:31:46 +0200 (CEST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466BzQ33Pkz4QbV X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org designates 217.29.35.151 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.47 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sub.org]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.85)[-0.848,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.32)[ipnet: 217.29.32.0/20(-0.88), asn: 16188(-0.71), country: DE(-0.01)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16188, ipnet:217.29.32.0/20, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 21:33:07 -0000 * Martin Waschbüsch [190811 20:41]: > [..] >> You could also have used the quarterly branch, which keeps software till >> the end of the quarter. In the case of php 5.6 it would have given you >> time until March 31st, and would have included version 5.6.40 > 5.6.40 never made it into the main ports tree. Are you sure it was available in the quarterly snapshot? I am sure. You can check for yourself using the svnweb interface at the FreeBSD website; php 5.6.40 was added to the 2019Q1 branch on Jan 26th Wolfgang From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sun Aug 11 23:23:35 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F0EC868D for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 23:23:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@waschbuesch.de) Received: from relay01.waschbuesch.it (relay01.waschbuesch.it [IPv6:2a00:cba0:100::231]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.waschbuesch.it", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466FQt0lrcz4Yv1 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 23:23:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@waschbuesch.de) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=waschbuesch.de; s=dkim; h=Message-Id:In-Reply-To:To:References:Date:Subject :Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:From:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=nOhak0ERZ5ILGxVWExPEnL+uAnebTRm4JW0pNW8ejnQ=; b=Qeba4N6CvjHFc2y4Hx/eSYaptM biRdiCoufRxLHdQOVNQYFhidLezQZSusgSpz43/325w+kUcPYj8q69iFIR9rdV2oj5/UBUEqvCbIx eVwZzpvHOskg2qj88cbsXj9c2ZWETXl1HDBBvCiyKWgOctvpKASW9rSyS49Q1g2/yzEY=; Received: by relay01.waschbuesch.it with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim) (envelope-from ) id 1hwxBS-000K9e-3f for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 23:23:30 +0000 From: =?utf-8?Q?Martin_Waschb=C3=BCsch?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: PHP version retirement Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 01:23:28 +0200 References: <64faf143-bae3-378c-3ee2-b196c2ea4111@astart.com> <16731AF5-68E9-4E41-8D21-CF5917BE32A4@waschbuesch.de> <20190810231216.GA23293@lyxys.ka.sub.org> <20190811213145.GJ47196@lyxys.ka.sub.org> To: FreeBSD Ports In-Reply-To: <20190811213145.GJ47196@lyxys.ka.sub.org> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466FQt0lrcz4Yv1 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=waschbuesch.de header.s=dkim header.b=Qeba4N6C; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=waschbuesch.de; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of martin@waschbuesch.de designates 2a00:cba0:100::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=martin@waschbuesch.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.04 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[waschbuesch.de:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[1.3.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.1.0.0.a.b.c.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[waschbuesch.de:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[waschbuesch.de,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.84)[-0.837,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-0.00)[country: DE(-0.01)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21476, ipnet:2a00:cba0::/32, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 23:23:35 -0000 > Am 11.08.2019 um 23:31 schrieb Wolfgang Zenker = : >=20 > * Martin Waschb=C3=BCsch [190811 20:41]: >> [..] >>> You could also have used the quarterly branch, which keeps software = till >>> the end of the quarter. In the case of php 5.6 it would have given = you >>> time until March 31st, and would have included version 5.6.40 >=20 >> 5.6.40 never made it into the main ports tree. Are you sure it was = available in the quarterly snapshot? >=20 > I am sure. You can check for yourself using the svnweb interface at = the > FreeBSD website; php 5.6.40 was added to the 2019Q1 branch on Jan 26th Thanks, Wolfgang, for pointing that out. Up to now I always thought of quarterly as a static snapshot of the main = ports tree made at a given point in time.= From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sun Aug 11 23:50:04 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA980C8D78 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 23:50:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@waschbuesch.de) Received: from relay01.waschbuesch.it (relay01.waschbuesch.it [IPv6:2a00:cba0:100::231]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.waschbuesch.it", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466G1S2bVQz4Zxq for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 23:50:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@waschbuesch.de) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=waschbuesch.de; s=dkim; h=Message-Id:In-Reply-To:To:References:Date:Subject :Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:From:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=5x/GLqQ/ykGM1/aCyQiL3V/cwBBkYvOk3vPra6jim24=; b=NPzrQVfmi6yqHLzwgDzH1dgqqi 66MVZ6K+98QNf57RA/CURF1u6mj+Fs/ZPqeEZQgy56KRrnjGrzdXQ8JGINMm1/7JpMkFd1WfJzn8L LSvg9dBu+ga7lZOBI2dGgAcRaHw9QZO8vCfw8zNbAeT/OHLqxwpVZBr5rtmyvpDMBJpw=; Received: by relay01.waschbuesch.it with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim) (envelope-from ) id 1hwxb8-000KDK-3k for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 23:50:02 +0000 From: =?utf-8?Q?Martin_Waschb=C3=BCsch?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: PHP version retirement Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 01:50:02 +0200 References: <64faf143-bae3-378c-3ee2-b196c2ea4111@astart.com> <16731AF5-68E9-4E41-8D21-CF5917BE32A4@waschbuesch.de> <20190810231216.GA23293@lyxys.ka.sub.org> To: FreeBSD Ports In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466G1S2bVQz4Zxq X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=waschbuesch.de header.s=dkim header.b=NPzrQVfm; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=waschbuesch.de; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of martin@waschbuesch.de designates 2a00:cba0:100::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=martin@waschbuesch.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.08 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[waschbuesch.de:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[waschbuesch.de:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[1.3.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.1.0.0.a.b.c.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[waschbuesch.de,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.88)[-0.878,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-0.00)[country: DE(-0.01)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21476, ipnet:2a00:cba0::/32, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 23:50:05 -0000 Hi Adam, > Am 11.08.2019 um 23:22 schrieb Adam Weinberger : >=20 > On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 1:05 PM Franco Fichtner = wrote: >>=20 >> Quarterly is essentially useless if the decision is to immediately = axe a deprecated release. 3 months are nothing in production = environments, if you get 3 months (1,5 months mean) at all and also all = other updates and security relevant bug fixes in the same quarterly that = you desperately need. >>=20 >> Yeah, we know that won=E2=80=99t happen so please don=E2=80=99t = suggest it. >>=20 >> That deprecation policy is nice and well all by itself except when it = wreaks havoc over the ports infrastructure like in the case of PHP = version support where numerous ports are immediately unavailable and = incompatible with upgrades. >>=20 >> Furthermore, the argument that it is more more work to maintain an = abandoned version is silly because it=E2=80=99s more work to delete a = port that to just keep it in the tree for a while longer. >=20 > That last part isn't correct. The work of deleting the ports is > largely automated and simple, and it will always happen eventually. > The work involved is in supporting unsupported versions. Our php team > is spread very thin, and they simply cannot support php versions > outside of upstream development. There are no resources to backport > fixes that may or may not be designed to work with older versions I do not understand this. At all. And I sort of hope I misunderstood you, because it sounds like you think = a maintainer is or may be regarded as someone who can be expected to = provide product support of some kind? I find that notion worrying to say the least. I cannot speak for others, but my expectation is exactly that which is = found in the BSD license: That software is provided AS IS. Also, neither I, nor Franco, I suspect, are talking about backports the = way e.g. Debian is doing it. (Indeed, the word backports was introduced = in this discussion by someone else.) The point being made is that the end of upstream development on a piece = of software should not, in and of itself, be sufficient grounds for its = removal from ports. It does not cease to be useful a couple of weeks after its latest = release simply because there is no one actively developing it anymore. 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In the case of php 5.6 it would have given yo= u > >>> time until March 31st, and would have included version 5.6.40 > > > >> 5.6.40 never made it into the main ports tree. Are you sure it was > available in the quarterly snapshot? > > > > I am sure. You can check for yourself using the svnweb interface at the > > FreeBSD website; php 5.6.40 was added to the 2019Q1 branch on Jan 26th > > Thanks, Wolfgang, for pointing that out. > > Up to now I always thought of quarterly as a static snapshot of the main > ports tree made at a given point in time. > OK. Where did 5.6.40 come from? I just looked at the ports repo and it was NEVER committed there. The very last commit to ports/head/lang/php56 was 5.6.39. Whil it has no impact on me, I find it very odd to find a package that never existed in ports. That makes it impossible for me to access the source for this package and recreate it for any reason. 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The work of deleting the ports is > > largely automated and simple, and it will always happen eventually. > > The work involved is in supporting unsupported versions. Our php team > > is spread very thin, and they simply cannot support php versions > > outside of upstream development. There are no resources to backport > > fixes that may or may not be designed to work with older versions > > I do not understand this. At all. > And I sort of hope I misunderstood you, because it sounds like you think = a maintainer is or may be regarded as someone who can be expected to provid= e product support of some kind? > I find that notion worrying to say the least. If you believe that handling updates, analyzing submitted and upstream patches and development, and answering a bevy of questions for every major update is effortless, then you drastically underestimate the amount of work that goes into the ports tree. Like I said in the part of my reply that you deleted, I'm open to considering another model that permits and limits ports of stale language versions. # Adam --=20 Adam Weinberger adamw@adamw.org https://www.adamw.org From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 02:30:30 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06F4CBAB1 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 02:30:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@hawaii-pacific.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.ionos.com", Issuer "GeoTrust RSA CA 2018" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466KZY5rjCz3DDV for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 02:30:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@hawaii-pacific.com) Received: from [192.168.1.9] ([72.234.244.8]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus004 [74.208.5.2]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mvan4-1iG2O21boU-00scfR for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 04:30:20 +0200 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: bruce Subject: firefox Message-ID: <0eeb4921-b8a5-f0f8-f568-80b240a73aec@hawaii-pacific.com> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 16:29:59 -1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:2vwRu1vAv7rofVDAtZvJZKkQpn2/dwl6qE8ogCFhedLp+v6oFt3 eLHesSTCvBhGRF0CbSp/JYI7Md5E25egGiIhlta+LtxDxXX3QHfGiZ6O4J45dp1e0tUJwqq VtCfyHKFI1ewpnggWIu1PRy2CKdCNmpQCA828+nwoLf8hHl5W0wW6iY8m+/z30f5bpfzmSs 0CIBssaMXHPx9RrZpPylQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Emgr4lfDxAU=:sTCjWmtjIPOHJEbBVmOHxi nIN6Bvqz8uc6oJjn0JdL7NLV/8T3rzvIK9a+RNPG5D/jwl+tPUdQbNO2oXjlej7t5nopkwzn4 EnwjqibLfM9O20+dVBlgAI0Xr9emcqHZqnQFt/B04k41Ri02iBSlNBWMtDyClSEqOBIfXmxtx u3ttIPYosfq/FplDRxs50IGU1YDHBbaF2r1bTbqvScLoBzsjB+xK3QHWqHatZKOR+rzj1q6ay TebMd/n/uPQfY3MOptCZBY4NY2l4lZ7yxmElGo5jT1kDmJpCoINaMTD+PgixdD86Oluy/BUvZ KLhrlgsfn8FH/tY2nKceQtluX83oa/3s4N2DdPL+NkbzxLxZy+3KuYLIb3BK9hn3qxPIChsN8 co6pmLd8Kh5HULldC9mhB6q9xf3Upnwfh7h9pHcBg5CrkbF6oIyNibM+Nd6oEympRxC5gWezf vOmT4G/FbM0cEaVtM99Z2V762g/7HaWNqR3xFmzbRwXeYWDTLODWXbd4eeNydAbF2QI+ocTsc 2ad/FN2lRx6srzycD4xrQUYyFW1X1MYnyDiXqDbZrLNIpRKbhxZTQggguu/iyCepsjHnVdoDk FYUuwZ4x/oaiquPdZ4g2trw+ULnLK6dUEFCSuUIXqwfgaYB70nR1HLxu6rykQk/wksY/JKtkm SDT24smozyBqBoFgdEumE8LswYbyzDK++n1+bA5CwZbap9QZbxCe5TSjfxMG4MPfNz9sTpODw aUFi2cYzJoY0egPO1u5YuepocHfPS99EJ7FmE1AXgDWK5Lx0Dec37KzBNCCtkWR+J6UCCfuAn ZSU3uER X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466KZY5rjCz3DDV X-Spamd-Bar: +++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bruce@hawaii-pacific.com has no SPF policy when checking 74.208.4.197) smtp.mailfrom=bruce@hawaii-pacific.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.28 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[8.244.234.72.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(1.46)[ip: (0.57), ipnet: 74.208.0.0/16(4.47), asn: 8560(2.26), country: DE(-0.01)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.99)[0.987,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[hawaii-pacific.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.96)[0.964,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.98)[0.977,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[197.4.208.74.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:74.208.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 02:30:30 -0000 I used seamonkey for years without problems.  Now with seamonkey no longer available I have tried firefox.  It crashes regularly and isn't nearly as good as seamonkey.  When are you bringing seamonkey back? From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 04:20:21 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE36CCFB1 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 04:20:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466N1J6by4z3JG5 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 04:20:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=rcn.com; s=20180516; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@rcn.com; t=1565583619; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=Oz+/bi/j2vrjmMlY6+jvPM8rz74=; b=fiKrSTZ2kCeMmzyT3vz7q8edYuUHqSjdhk20EKxTXilOgg1Z37FkFc9mtFmgSSmD +/tPuIUBUv21AwKhbiYUIekdqelaFrm7IUwxMHx6CfKzitbdJrBm57OkF0nsdgnp ZcZbyyyo1IcOMJo/42uZMc4EDqsTkm+ZiV+5tMRPT1L2dDz4o0FRwjUyFv9kY0ql 4chWi9H1/VMir9NcQH1B36/and5bt2KY05Dnbeqdu+bmM2OjpOSmY6pK165R47xh T5BV9XmW0wLvLJZMnjIaHXWGkKpBknDqAifdah7tVcWAtzyRsyAFLrTdyW2a3aDr g9GQWRhcvh/kQyCfZgn6rg==; X_CMAE_Category: , , X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=N65X6F1B c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:117 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=XRQyMpdBKAEA:10 a=FmdZ9Uzk2mMA:10 a=48faUk6PgeAA:10 a=U-7t5PD1-1uSXkg53nIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine X-Authed-Username: cm9iZXJ0aHVmZkByY24uY29t Received: from [209.6.230.48] ([209.6.230.48:48652] helo=jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384) id 22/2B-37357-309E05D5; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 00:20:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <23888.59649.122277.267681@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 00:20:17 -0400 From: Robert Huff To: bruce Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: firefox In-Reply-To: <0eeb4921-b8a5-f0f8-f568-80b240a73aec@hawaii-pacific.com> References: <0eeb4921-b8a5-f0f8-f568-80b240a73aec@hawaii-pacific.com> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 26.2 (amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466N1J6by4z3JG5 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=rcn.com header.s=20180516 header.b=fiKrSTZ2; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=rcn.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of roberthuff@rcn.com designates 69.168.97.78 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=roberthuff@rcn.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.95 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rcn.com:s=20180516]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:69.168.97.0/24]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-1.87)[ip: (-9.41), ipnet: 69.168.97.0/24(-0.23), asn: 36271(0.37), country: US(-0.05)]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[rcn.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rcn.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rcn.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.986,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[78.97.168.69.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36271, ipnet:69.168.97.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 04:20:21 -0000 bruce writes: > I used seamonkey for years without problems.=A0 Now with seamonkey n= o > longer available I have tried firefox.=A0 It crashes regularly and > isn't nearly as good as seamonkey.=A0 When are you bringing seamonke= y > back=3F =09Short answer: probably never. =09Longer answer: =091) it is (I believe) no longer developed/maintained upstream. =092) the port does not have a local maintainer. =093) it has a long list of security issues, which persisted for =09=09months if not years. =09I, too, will miss it. But in the larger scheme of things this probably the path of wisdom. =09(Now ... if you are volunteering to revive it, assume maintainership, and contribute patches - thankyouthankyouthankyou!!!!) =09=09=09Respectfully, =09=09=09=09Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 05:08:05 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66AD9CDC38 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 05:08:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466P4N2r3pz3L1q for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 05:08:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: firefox Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 23:08:01 -0600 References: <0eeb4921-b8a5-f0f8-f568-80b240a73aec@hawaii-pacific.com> To: Mark Millard via freebsd-ports In-Reply-To: <0eeb4921-b8a5-f0f8-f568-80b240a73aec@hawaii-pacific.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466P4N2r3pz3L1q X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.54 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.994,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.996,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.24)[ip: (-0.89), ipnet: 65.112.0.0/12(-0.24), asn: 209(0.00), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.91)[-0.911,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[42.55.121.65.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 05:08:05 -0000 On 11 Aug 2019, at 20:29, bruce wrote: > I have tried firefox. It crashes regularly=20 That doesn=E2=80=99t sound right. If Firefox is crashing a lot there is = something not quite right with your system or install. Seamonkey was last update a bit over a year ago. That=E2=80=99s about a decade in Browser time. --=20 'That's blasphemy,' said the vampire. He gasped as Vimes shot him a glance like sunlight. 'That's what people say when the voiceless = speak.=E2=80=99 From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 05:52:15 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8EECE846 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 05:52:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xxjack12xx@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qt1-x836.google.com (mail-qt1-x836.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::836]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466Q3L429nz3Mxt for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 05:52:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xxjack12xx@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qt1-x836.google.com with SMTP id l9so101695850qtu.6 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 22:52:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=16By6fYEL+FXEYb6vpTwKktSsh6+98V7FvsSYpo7GQE=; b=JYF1Q3LWa3zNJq/dkPhiHYrkrhHzz5U+OLDsnfXZltT7BPEJjpg6F6uGKTqcdobu+2 pIt6UG329kdhu5liILYYlFUQD+qGf8YZuiocFF4T+ctv7NqXZBkA6ntlM9aNyU3e84eF eFVOekyzcqjJ5Ga4XVRN/HS0MWJLwTzpP4giky/yy39oxXon8ZD03lCn9kJAj3zH2Fu6 /F8UTD9Wv4at5pUlhFCvMhb1CQO9SMr9j42ZqFX4CC0ymklIHtOH1eBbcT+tHMgsSyKN 9F6MDC7OAYzA5bscf0CgktaUzFYh8GIux7OujVreQLAULrpMdyACnTeXiy65wQrY9R27 Lshg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=16By6fYEL+FXEYb6vpTwKktSsh6+98V7FvsSYpo7GQE=; b=cNy1U0yH19gyWIZSbBHNeK891jc5e6tHSHYl4nfivcTBBqAe+sVSFIumToBEnFtq+k 1Oh5WXB9lk9fqADHwx6B0sWWfVI1tc4sfN1fKbzPH1t5qkchrSNxdmBznzfBzWkLjaBl rYC/a7IMsFHuITUZqhea7+GTPddkDUf0bxiBWW+2cByks7FWD78PSYK0jue/+g8ek6X/ Om3aWGY7m5tiNYGDHsLUDnmoAPN0Txo3iKnimzVXqPfyhsAqmtkzDhmOI8kHQJWLSmxa O9DVe+DItlL8ZRh6iSHkhFZ6S9s9Tce7qFo7dBs1du/zQITZ01FaT3vA3SJjFWMT3zfA Dr8A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWAyB9Pw3DnLHlYRdfcQeiZ26AiKbJEyVPu0ZLGfjcxRdwfksJQ 6WQ/JWpKOoVbtpxcDOxbotQKjXMhzrd+McPU8Sg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwdYYrgmFuj7YSfBq4qs6o/Vq4xOJ2GySHt1i+tt7KgrB0AWaJzbFkDbvtm0H7+o6KSeLaCQSy4dS1w3GTvlf4= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:2642:: with SMTP id v2mr27551637qtv.333.1565589133337; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 22:52:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0eeb4921-b8a5-f0f8-f568-80b240a73aec@hawaii-pacific.com> <23888.59649.122277.267681@jerusalem.litteratus.org> In-Reply-To: <23888.59649.122277.267681@jerusalem.litteratus.org> From: "Jack L." Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 22:51:37 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: firefox To: Robert Huff Cc: bruce , FBSD Ports Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466Q3L429nz3Mxt X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=JYF1Q3LW; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of xxjack12xx@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::836 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=xxjack12xx@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[6.3.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.28), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.97), asn: 15169(-2.39), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 05:52:15 -0000 I have the same experience with firefox and I too have used seamonkey for years and have never found a suitable replacement. Right now, I'm using Falkon which seems to be ok minus a few quirks here and there but still more tolerable than firefox. On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 9:20 PM Robert Huff wrote: > > > bruce writes: > > > I used seamonkey for years without problems. Now with seamonkey no > > longer available I have tried firefox. It crashes regularly and > > isn't nearly as good as seamonkey. When are you bringing seamonkey > > back? > > Short answer: probably never. > Longer answer: > 1) it is (I believe) no longer developed/maintained upstream. > 2) the port does not have a local maintainer. > 3) it has a long list of security issues, which persisted for > months if not years. > > I, too, will miss it. But in the larger scheme of things this > probably the path of wisdom. > (Now ... if you are volunteering to revive it, assume > maintainership, and contribute patches - thankyouthankyouthankyou!!!!) > > > Respectfully, > > > Robert Huff > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 06:06:35 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C78BECEB89 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:06:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from indexbuild@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466QMv4ps2z3NJx for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:06:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from indexbuild@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id A337CCEB88; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:06:35 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FA2CEB87 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:06:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from indexbuild@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466QMv2yvDz3NJw for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:06:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from indexbuild@FreeBSD.org) Received: from portsindexbuild.nyi.freebsd.org (portsindexbuild.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::16:115c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 431C7222E2 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:06:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from indexbuild@FreeBSD.org) Received: from portsindexbuild.nyi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.8]) by portsindexbuild.nyi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x7C66Z8J096787 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:06:35 GMT (envelope-from indexbuild@portsindexbuild.nyi.freebsd.org) Received: (from indexbuild@localhost) by portsindexbuild.nyi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id x7C66ZUN096785 for ports@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:06:35 GMT (envelope-from indexbuild) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:06:35 GMT From: Ports Index build Message-Id: <201908120606.x7C66ZUN096785@portsindexbuild.nyi.freebsd.org> To: ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: INDEX build failed for 11.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:06:35 -0000 INDEX build failed with errors: Generating INDEX-11 - please wait..--- describe.accessibility --- --- describe.arabic --- --- describe.archivers --- --- describe.astro --- --- describe.audio --- --- describe.benchmarks --- --- describe.biology --- --- describe.cad --- --- describe.chinese --- --- describe.comms --- --- describe.converters --- --- describe.databases --- --- describe.deskutils --- --- describe.devel --- --- describe.dns --- --- describe.editors --- --- describe.emulators --- --- describe.finance --- --- describe.french --- --- describe.ftp --- [...] --- describe.print --- --- describe.russian --- --- describe.science --- --- describe.security --- --- describe.shells --- make[5]: "/home/indexbuild/tindex/ports/shells/ksh93/Makefile" line 16: Malformed conditional (${USE_GCC} == "9") make[5]: Fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue===> shells/ksh93 failed *** [describe.shells] Error code 1 make[2]: stopped in /home/indexbuild/tindex/ports make[2]: stopped in /home/indexbuild/tindex/ports *** Error code 1 Stop. make[1]: stopped in /home/indexbuild/tindex/ports *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /home/indexbuild/tindex/ports 1 error Committers on the hook: cy glewis Most recent SVN update was: Updating '.': U sysutils/cfengine-devel/Makefile U sysutils/cfengine-devel/distinfo U security/krb5-devel/Makefile U security/krb5-devel/distinfo U shells/ksh93-devel/Makefile U shells/ksh93-devel/distinfo U shells/ksh93/Makefile U java/openjdk8/Makefile A java/openjdk8/files/patch-hotspot_src_os__cpu_bsd__x86_vm_os__bsd__x86.cpp Updated to revision 508708. From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 06:20:40 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF2CCEE2B for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:20:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from franco@lastsummer.de) Received: from host64.shmhost.net (host64.shmhost.net [213.239.241.64]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466Qh72MQcz3NgJ for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:20:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from franco@lastsummer.de) Received: from [100.114.62.36] (ip-109-40-131-180.web.vodafone.de [109.40.131.180]) by host64.shmhost.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 466Qh45vL3zC0wR; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 08:20:36 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: PHP version retirement From: Franco Fichtner X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16G77) In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 09:20:35 +0300 Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Martin_Waschb=C3=BCsch?= , FreeBSD Ports Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5B284DDA-69FB-4936-B3CD-B051DB936F7E@lastsummer.de> References: <64faf143-bae3-378c-3ee2-b196c2ea4111@astart.com> <16731AF5-68E9-4E41-8D21-CF5917BE32A4@waschbuesch.de> <20190810231216.GA23293@lyxys.ka.sub.org> To: Adam Weinberger X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.100.3 at host64.shmhost.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466Qh72MQcz3NgJ X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of franco@lastsummer.de has no SPF policy when checking 213.239.241.64) smtp.mailfrom=franco@lastsummer.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [8.25 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[180.131.40.109.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:213.239.192.0/18, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[180.131.40.109.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.4]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.08)[0.075,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-0.19)[ip: (0.92), ipnet: 213.239.192.0/18(-0.05), asn: 24940(-1.82), country: DE(-0.01)]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[lastsummer.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.98)[0.976,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.99)[0.990,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[64.241.239.213.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:20:40 -0000 > On 12. Aug 2019, at 00:22, Adam Weinberger wrote: >=20 >> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 1:05 PM Franco Fichtner wr= ote: >>=20 >> Quarterly is essentially useless if the decision is to immediately axe a d= eprecated release. 3 months are nothing in production environments, if you g= et 3 months (1,5 months mean) at all and also all other updates and security= relevant bug fixes in the same quarterly that you desperately need. >>=20 >> Yeah, we know that won=E2=80=99t happen so please don=E2=80=99t suggest i= t. >>=20 >> That deprecation policy is nice and well all by itself except when it wre= aks havoc over the ports infrastructure like in the case of PHP version supp= ort where numerous ports are immediately unavailable and incompatible with u= pgrades. >>=20 >> Furthermore, the argument that it is more more work to maintain an abando= ned version is silly because it=E2=80=99s more work to delete a port that to= just keep it in the tree for a while longer. >=20 > That last part isn't correct. The work of deleting the ports is > largely automated and simple, and it will always happen eventually. > The work involved is in supporting unsupported versions. Our php team > is spread very thin, and they simply cannot support php versions > outside of upstream development. There are no resources to backport > fixes that may or may not be designed to work with older versions I don=E2=80=99t believe this is anywhere near true for two reasons: FreeBSD p= orts does not add as much maintainers as it says it desperately needs so you= are creating a scarce environment to base your =E2=80=9Etoo much work=E2=80= =9C argument on. The other part is having handled a ports fork myself since 2= 015 the work to keep a port where it is is low at its worst. >> That =E2=80=9Ewhile=E2=80=9C is debatable, but it=E2=80=99s neither indef= initely nor immediately. The people responsible for FreeBSD ports and packag= es would be wise to enrich their policies with a more graceful way of dealin= g with legacy software, especially if it relates to more than a handful of p= orts in a single deprecation decision. >>=20 >> TL;DR: don=E2=80=99t remove PHP ports prematurely and you=E2=80=99ll have= less work reading mails like these. >=20 > Part of the contract in providing packages includes providing support > for them. Other OSes provide packages for software that they can never > support, and there are definitely consequences for that paradigm. This > is doubly true for PHP, which is extremely common and for which > security fixes can be vitally important. Well, you are arguing against a grace period for obsolete software which is q= uite pointless because the software is not bad per se. It will be eventually= and it should be removed and nobody argued against that. In the case of PHP 5.6 a clear error of judgement was made based on a reason= able decision at the time. It should give enough incentive to not let this h= appen again so quickly and try to learn from how it negatively impacts users= . I=E2=80=98m going to reiterate because nobody acknowledges the obvious: 1,5 m= onths mean of a grace period in quarterly is productions worst enemy, not to= mention when you run HEAD. > I've been thinking about this a lot lately (I used to be hardline > against it), but at this point I am not fundamentally opposed to the > idea of providing old versions of major languages and interpreters, as > long as (a) they cannot be specified by DEFAULT_VERSIONS, (b) nothing > can ever depend on them, and (c) it is clear that they are provided > without support and at your own peril. That makes no sense for PHP ports which are part of the picture here. But yo= u probably know that. :) Cheers, Franco From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 06:45:35 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61027CF3F1 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:45:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from w.schwarzenfeld@utanet.at) Received: from tatiana.utanet.at (tatiana.utanet.at [IPv6:2001:938:1337:25::25:46]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466RDt0k76z3PY8 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:45:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from w.schwarzenfeld@utanet.at) Received: from paris-s.drei.host ([213.90.36.62]) by tatiana.utanet.at with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hx45C-0003P4-Cy for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 08:45:30 +0200 Received: from 194-96-178-177.adsl.highway.telekom.at ([194.96.178.177] helo=[10.0.0.93]) by paris-s.drei.host with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hx45C-0002IN-9s for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 08:45:30 +0200 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <201908120606.x7C66ZUN096785@portsindexbuild.nyi.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: INDEX build failed for 11.x From: Walter Schwarzenfeld Message-ID: <7abae6c6-3ee7-0709-531c-5315d7de9a49@utanet.at> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 08:44:45 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <201908120606.x7C66ZUN096785@portsindexbuild.nyi.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-H3G-Authenticated-As: cf62768e218b4d81d95cc5390f1bd9dfc8b05683 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466RDt0k76z3PY8 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of w.schwarzenfeld@utanet.at designates 2001:938:1337:25::25:46 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=w.schwarzenfeld@utanet.at X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.37 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[177.178.96.194.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:938:1337:25::/64]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[utanet.at]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[utanet.at]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.974,0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.64), ipnet: 2001:938::/32(-4.81), asn: 8437(-3.78), country: AT(-0.10)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[6.4.0.0.5.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.5.2.0.0.7.3.3.1.8.3.9.0.1.0.0.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[utanet.at]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8437, ipnet:2001:938::/32, country:AT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:45:35 -0000 Breaks also portmaster. From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 06:57:12 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A937ECF73A for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:57:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org) Received: from saturn.lyxys.ka.sub.org (saturn.lyxys.ka.sub.org [217.29.35.151]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466RVH17BKz3Px9 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:57:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org) Received: from juno.lyxys.ka.sub.org (juno.lyx [IPv6:fd2a:89ca:7d54:0:240:caff:fe92:4f47]) by saturn.lyxys.ka.sub.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x7C6ticv021785 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 08:55:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org) Received: from juno.lyxys.ka.sub.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by juno.lyxys.ka.sub.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x7C6thlV057498 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 08:55:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org) Received: (from wolfgang@localhost) by juno.lyxys.ka.sub.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id x7C6tgEc057495 for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 08:55:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: juno.lyx: wolfgang set sender to wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org using -f Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 08:55:42 +0200 From: Wolfgang Zenker To: FreeBSD Ports Subject: Re: PHP version retirement Message-ID: <20190812065542.GA57098@lyxys.ka.sub.org> References: <64faf143-bae3-378c-3ee2-b196c2ea4111@astart.com> <16731AF5-68E9-4E41-8D21-CF5917BE32A4@waschbuesch.de> <20190810231216.GA23293@lyxys.ka.sub.org> <20190811213145.GJ47196@lyxys.ka.sub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Organization: private site User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (saturn.lyxys.ka.sub.org [IPv6:fd2a:89ca:7d54:1:200:24ff:feca:b4cc]); Mon, 12 Aug 2019 08:55:45 +0200 (CEST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466RVH17BKz3Px9 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org designates 217.29.35.151 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.53 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sub.org]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.87)[-0.869,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.36)[ipnet: 217.29.32.0/20(-0.99), asn: 16188(-0.80), country: DE(-0.01)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16188, ipnet:217.29.32.0/20, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:57:12 -0000 * Kevin Oberman [190812 01:50]: > On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 4:23 PM Martin Waschbüsch > wrote: >>> Am 11.08.2019 um 23:31 schrieb Wolfgang Zenker : >>> * Martin Waschbüsch [190811 20:41]: >>>> [..] >>>>> You could also have used the quarterly branch, which keeps software till >>>>> the end of the quarter. In the case of php 5.6 it would have given you >>>>> time until March 31st, and would have included version 5.6.40 >>>> 5.6.40 never made it into the main ports tree. Are you sure it was >> available in the quarterly snapshot? >>> I am sure. You can check for yourself using the svnweb interface at the >>> FreeBSD website; php 5.6.40 was added to the 2019Q1 branch on Jan 26th >> Thanks, Wolfgang, for pointing that out. >> Up to now I always thought of quarterly as a static snapshot of the main >> ports tree made at a given point in time. No, quarterly gets security fixes, just no "feature updates". That's why we use it in production, so we have to handle potentially breaking changes only once a quarter. > OK. Where did 5.6.40 come from? > I just looked at the ports repo and it was NEVER committed there. The very > last commit to ports/head/lang/php56 was 5.6.39. Whil it has no impact on > me, I find it very odd to find a package that never existed in ports. That > makes it impossible for me to access the source for this package and > recreate it for any reason. My gut feeling is that this is broken and > should never happen. It was committed on the 2019Q1 branch only, because HEAD didn't have the php56 port anymore at that time. Wolfgang From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 06:59:01 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A7BCCF7EB for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:59:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from w.schwarzenfeld@utanet.at) Received: from taro.utanet.at (taro.utanet.at [IPv6:2001:938:1337:25::25:45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466RXN5kv7z3Q2R for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:59:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from w.schwarzenfeld@utanet.at) Received: from paris-s.drei.host ([213.90.36.62]) by taro.utanet.at with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hx4IF-0006nL-8z for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 08:58:59 +0200 Received: from 194-96-178-177.adsl.highway.telekom.at ([194.96.178.177] helo=[10.0.0.93]) by paris-s.drei.host with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hx4IF-0003vQ-5T for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 08:58:59 +0200 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <23888.59649.122277.267681@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Subject: Re: firefox From: Walter Schwarzenfeld Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 08:58:14 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <23888.59649.122277.267681@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Content-Language: en-US X-H3G-Authenticated-As: cf62768e218b4d81d95cc5390f1bd9dfc8b05683 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466RXN5kv7z3Q2R X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of w.schwarzenfeld@utanet.at designates 2001:938:1337:25::25:45 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=w.schwarzenfeld@utanet.at X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[177.178.96.194.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:938:1337:25::/64:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[utanet.at]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.00)[nan,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[utanet.at]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.00)[nan,0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.00)[nan,0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.55), ipnet: 2001:938::/32(-4.80), asn: 8437(-3.77), country: AT(-0.10)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[utanet.at]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8437, ipnet:2001:938::/32, country:AT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[5.4.0.0.5.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.5.2.0.0.7.3.3.1.8.3.9.0.1.0.0.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:59:01 -0000 I had no crashes, but slowdown. Put in about:config: browser.tabs.remote.force-enable=true net.local.stream.recvspace=16384 maybe, this helps. From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 07:04:11 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08CC8CFA06 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 07:04:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@waschbuesch.de) Received: from relay02.waschbuesch.it (relay02.waschbuesch.it [IPv6:2a00:cba0:100::232]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.waschbuesch.it", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466RfL0jR2z3QMh for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 07:04:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@waschbuesch.de) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=waschbuesch.de; s=dkim; h=Message-Id:In-Reply-To:To:References:Date:Subject :Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:From:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=PQVpJBtFENH+mpydF18aF3/f2jNAG+pTc2kq6auFzCs=; b=IrftLkbJ6B9BJdVnprKQBCurC3 U5ZXgoHRXU2Ac60v1meWaze1cCN3i4ai9DGvNm3vh3Cz3mOWik0KyagnbccjcTYusZg3HABnT6s8w yBsHoaH6is7SCiT35cDBinWYwf/YpETp+QS2PqC2zn8lMxaulmv0xpZmM1bVJYpf0LOM=; Received: by relay02.waschbuesch.it with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim) (envelope-from ) id 1hx4NA-00063k-9P for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 07:04:04 +0000 From: =?utf-8?Q?Martin_Waschb=C3=BCsch?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: PHP version retirement Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 09:04:05 +0200 References: <64faf143-bae3-378c-3ee2-b196c2ea4111@astart.com> <16731AF5-68E9-4E41-8D21-CF5917BE32A4@waschbuesch.de> <20190810231216.GA23293@lyxys.ka.sub.org> To: FreeBSD Ports In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2DE6652A-86FF-4F07-9F8D-97E845D41E41@waschbuesch.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466RfL0jR2z3QMh X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=waschbuesch.de header.s=dkim header.b=IrftLkbJ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=waschbuesch.de; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of martin@waschbuesch.de designates 2a00:cba0:100::232 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=martin@waschbuesch.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.07 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[waschbuesch.de:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[2.3.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.1.0.0.a.b.c.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[waschbuesch.de:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[waschbuesch.de,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.87)[-0.865,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-0.00)[country: DE(-0.01)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21476, ipnet:2a00:cba0::/32, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 07:04:11 -0000 Hi Adam, > Am 12.08.2019 um 02:17 schrieb Adam Weinberger : >=20 > On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 5:50 PM Martin Waschb=C3=BCsch = wrote: >>=20 >> Hi Adam, >>=20 >>> Am 11.08.2019 um 23:22 schrieb Adam Weinberger : >>>=20 >>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 1:05 PM Franco Fichtner = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Quarterly is essentially useless if the decision is to immediately = axe a deprecated release. 3 months are nothing in production = environments, if you get 3 months (1,5 months mean) at all and also all = other updates and security relevant bug fixes in the same quarterly that = you desperately need. >>>>=20 >>>> Yeah, we know that won=E2=80=99t happen so please don=E2=80=99t = suggest it. >>>>=20 >>>> That deprecation policy is nice and well all by itself except when = it wreaks havoc over the ports infrastructure like in the case of PHP = version support where numerous ports are immediately unavailable and = incompatible with upgrades. >>>>=20 >>>> Furthermore, the argument that it is more more work to maintain an = abandoned version is silly because it=E2=80=99s more work to delete a = port that to just keep it in the tree for a while longer. >>>=20 >>> That last part isn't correct. The work of deleting the ports is >>> largely automated and simple, and it will always happen eventually. >>> The work involved is in supporting unsupported versions. Our php = team >>> is spread very thin, and they simply cannot support php versions >>> outside of upstream development. There are no resources to backport >>> fixes that may or may not be designed to work with older versions >>=20 >> I do not understand this. At all. >> And I sort of hope I misunderstood you, because it sounds like you = think a maintainer is or may be regarded as someone who can be expected = to provide product support of some kind? >> I find that notion worrying to say the least. >=20 > If you believe that handling updates, analyzing submitted and upstream > patches and development, and answering a bevy of questions for every > major update is effortless, then you drastically underestimate the > amount of work that goes into the ports tree. You completely misunderstand me. I know there is a lot of effort going into this. I disagree only in that = I do not believe there should be any expectations towards maintainers. It is voluntary work. Spare time, etc. I am grateful for the effort = people put into this, but I strongly believe no one should act towards = volunteers with any expectations as to what they should do, how much = time they spend, etc. So, I find it wrong to say, as I understood you, to remove a package = from the ports tree because otherwise others people, for instance users = of FreeBSD, would have the *expectation* of receiving support for those = packages. That perception of any kind of entitlement towards volunteers is wrong, = IMHO. And that is why I answered that part of your message because it is not = (for reasons stated above) a valid argument against having outdated = software in the ports tree.= From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 08:00:21 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F91A910D for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 08:00:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from w.schwarzenfeld@utanet.at) Received: from tatiana.utanet.at (tatiana.utanet.at [IPv6:2001:938:1337:25::25:46]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466Sv90Nxqz3xlB for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 08:00:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from w.schwarzenfeld@utanet.at) Received: from paris-s.drei.host ([213.90.36.62]) by tatiana.utanet.at with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hx5FZ-0007EW-Qp for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; 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TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.80)[0.804,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.105.124.94.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[000.fbsd@quip.cz,SRS0=z4Fa=WI=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42000, ipnet:94.124.104.0/21, country:CZ]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[000.fbsd@quip.cz,SRS0=z4Fa=WI=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 10:41:12 -0000 Franco Fichtner wrote on 2019/08/12 08:20: >>> That „while“ is debatable, but it’s neither indefinitely nor immediately. The people responsible for FreeBSD ports and packages would be wise to enrich their policies with a more graceful way of dealing with legacy software, especially if it relates to more than a handful of ports in a single deprecation decision. >>> >>> TL;DR: don’t remove PHP ports prematurely and you’ll have less work reading mails like these. >> >> Part of the contract in providing packages includes providing support >> for them. Other OSes provide packages for software that they can never >> support, and there are definitely consequences for that paradigm. This >> is doubly true for PHP, which is extremely common and for which >> security fixes can be vitally important. > > Well, you are arguing against a grace period for obsolete software which is quite pointless because the software is not bad per se. It will be eventually and it should be removed and nobody argued against that. > > In the case of PHP 5.6 a clear error of judgement was made based on a reasonable decision at the time. It should give enough incentive to not let this happen again so quickly and try to learn from how it negatively impacts users. +1 from me. Removing PHP 5.6 before the last version was released by upstream was very inconvenient and we end up doing 5.6.40 version ourself. Then deploy on servers which cannot be updated to 7.x at that time. Miroslav Lachman From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 13:29:39 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294F3B394B for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:29:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adamw@adamw.org) Received: from mail-wm1-x335.google.com (mail-wm1-x335.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::335]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466cC53C05z4Lqw for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:29:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adamw@adamw.org) Received: by mail-wm1-x335.google.com with SMTP id p74so12180413wme.4 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:29:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=adamw-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uMbFzC5hHEb60onPXFPssj5fDXIcnG1AnUS84WCPXLA=; b=N4B1fsop1DeblnuiOcOoL72z+RCqFuFH/P0MrGJQT+JI5D6xbe5mW90bpbzRiBEp9y rp2/Vu2cISw8cD34lD9uL8+6K0R+ZEXCEcVu3mas5H6Xad20i5e5+TuYxqY7pajvwyEn g/aD3xJJDFJe6TYkBhcEmXMPB4a4lbVi/8tJbQv8CUr/3OPlysAne2CUmPdUOXW1Z7A2 iR5iza3Jpaj5DWX5oi7eYH2JXmIVNgHAY7m1haci1M+D/vDuizLrhkvjd5G6MFLyDbbc 2OXqZoPfHDc4Kg1py3hM2f8xvkq9zfD1mb9gBhnqqltoEXMdr1BUi/YoEQd05f9UCs3S 9c2w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uMbFzC5hHEb60onPXFPssj5fDXIcnG1AnUS84WCPXLA=; b=c0jFM8eGbA4f+g/dnSFao5BEYBpEHPRZPVkekrnfviJzu8pPMMRELzNhfzOtAgWQsh UwK5RiQ6noAjEa2QeOYnKEb+OgF7CW8iXza4aoYePONsA0qlAuHL5Poc2pGcjvxZwpy9 Oj6CZhQ/rRILWEYUAXPOeqQXAZ2UlbtuiwEvFlVoPChOkgzxXxDW5R13tBapI1r2evOR T1PZurLFoBEaJi970EIBvMnUhapnk9Bm/yAaTHAniaMZk8zOKjPEzYzMqv+aTWPV5TjH RdlCvwfD1bfLkJjROxY96rGQ9GWdtnBAGAO6hQq/jGrDAKODbQ9KHfbujiQubFhaqVht o+tg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWY8NPyK8vGNjhzPLSVAUrYfeLKrD3Gy1OeDiKBVCEq5J4YQHmv X9EBVyhmNJ1ChjQ6PB9w/c9WRmjjDV0LhlBPz9MhovJOQig= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwVliCC62uVOnWTEeO7k28/q7cn3e1SKB6mjdIRNFu+jKWLZOfz6DsI1GBA8T2gx8G9M1SO3L+0uwK97Rpz6uY= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:254c:: with SMTP id e12mr3547457wma.168.1565616575078; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:29:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <64faf143-bae3-378c-3ee2-b196c2ea4111@astart.com> <16731AF5-68E9-4E41-8D21-CF5917BE32A4@waschbuesch.de> <20190810231216.GA23293@lyxys.ka.sub.org> <2DE6652A-86FF-4F07-9F8D-97E845D41E41@waschbuesch.de> In-Reply-To: <2DE6652A-86FF-4F07-9F8D-97E845D41E41@waschbuesch.de> From: Adam Weinberger Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 07:29:19 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: PHP version retirement To: =?UTF-8?Q?Martin_Waschb=C3=BCsch?= Cc: FreeBSD Ports Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466cC53C05z4Lqw X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=adamw-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=N4B1fsop; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of adamw@adamw.org designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::335 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=adamw@adamw.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.51 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[adamw-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[adamw.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[adamw-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[5.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-3.02)[ip: (-9.61), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-3.04), asn: 15169(-2.39), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:29:39 -0000 On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 1:04 AM Martin Waschb=C3=BCsch wrote: > >>>> Furthermore, the argument that it is more more work to maintain an a= bandoned version is silly because it=E2=80=99s more work to delete a port t= hat to just keep it in the tree for a while longer. > >>> > >>> That last part isn't correct. The work of deleting the ports is > >>> largely automated and simple, and it will always happen eventually. > >>> The work involved is in supporting unsupported versions. Our php team > >>> is spread very thin, and they simply cannot support php versions > >>> outside of upstream development. There are no resources to backport > >>> fixes that may or may not be designed to work with older versions > >> > >> I do not understand this. At all. > >> And I sort of hope I misunderstood you, because it sounds like you thi= nk a maintainer is or may be regarded as someone who can be expected to pro= vide product support of some kind? > >> I find that notion worrying to say the least. > > > > If you believe that handling updates, analyzing submitted and upstream > > patches and development, and answering a bevy of questions for every > > major update is effortless, then you drastically underestimate the > > amount of work that goes into the ports tree. > > You completely misunderstand me. > I know there is a lot of effort going into this. I disagree only in that = I do not believe there should be any expectations towards maintainers. > It is voluntary work. Spare time, etc. I am grateful for the effort peopl= e put into this, but I strongly believe no one should act towards volunteer= s with any expectations as to what they should do, how much time they spend= , etc. > > So, I find it wrong to say, as I understood you, to remove a package from= the ports tree because otherwise others people, for instance users of Free= BSD, would have the *expectation* of receiving support for those packages. > That perception of any kind of entitlement towards volunteers is wrong, I= MHO. > > And that is why I answered that part of your message because it is not (f= or reasons stated above) a valid argument against having outdated software = in the ports tree. Ah! You're right, I did completely misunderstand you. You're correct that we don't provide any semblance of support for the upstream software. Absolutely, and under no circumstances should anyone have to. I'm referring to support of the port itself. Maintainership requires responding to private emails asking for help; evaluating, testing, and approving submitted patches; responding to PRs about changes or fixes or poor behaviour (90% of the time related to portmaster); responding to error reports; and so on. We do expect those things from maintainers, because those are what are required to keep the ports tree running. And we actively drop maintainership from ports where maintainers routinely ignore those responsibilities, regardless of whether they have a commit bit. As decke noted, maintainership of a small port with relatively low deployment is pretty smooth (and don't get me wrong, they're as or more important than the big packages). But a huge and complex framework like php is a massive undertaking, with a near-constant barrage of complex patches that require highly complex testing strategies, and thousands of dependent ports to worry about for every change. I suggested that it might be possible for stale languages to remain in the tree, as long as the above support wasn't required or expected. But, honestly, Franco's response mocking the offer made my desire to help him somewhere at or below zero, and has pretty much ensured that nobody else in portmgr is going to be eager to get skin in the game. # Adam --=20 Adam Weinberger adamw@adamw.org https://www.adamw.org From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 14:13:22 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C2CB4D36 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:13:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from franco@lastsummer.de) Received: from host64.shmhost.net (host64.shmhost.net [213.239.241.64]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466d9Y29SWz4PXb for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:13:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from franco@lastsummer.de) Received: from [100.100.187.97] (ip-109-40-130-17.web.vodafone.de [109.40.130.17]) by host64.shmhost.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 466d9W0S7PzBrQM; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:13:19 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: PHP version retirement From: Franco Fichtner X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16G77) In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:13:16 +0300 Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Martin_Waschb=C3=BCsch?= , FreeBSD Ports Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <705E8D0E-F558-4ABE-B771-1BB273397766@lastsummer.de> References: <64faf143-bae3-378c-3ee2-b196c2ea4111@astart.com> <16731AF5-68E9-4E41-8D21-CF5917BE32A4@waschbuesch.de> <20190810231216.GA23293@lyxys.ka.sub.org> <2DE6652A-86FF-4F07-9F8D-97E845D41E41@waschbuesch.de> To: Adam Weinberger X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.100.3 at host64.shmhost.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466d9Y29SWz4PXb X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of franco@lastsummer.de has no SPF policy when checking 213.239.241.64) smtp.mailfrom=franco@lastsummer.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.60 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[17.130.40.109.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.20)[ip: (0.88), ipnet: 213.239.192.0/18(-0.05), asn: 24940(-1.83), country: DE(-0.01)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[lastsummer.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.66)[-0.657,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.32)[-0.324,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[64.241.239.213.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.82)[-0.820,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:213.239.192.0/18, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:13:22 -0000 > On 12. Aug 2019, at 16:29, Adam Weinberger wrote: >=20 > On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 1:04 AM Martin Waschb=C3=BCsch wrote: >>>>>> Furthermore, the argument that it is more more work to maintain an ab= andoned version is silly because it=E2=80=99s more work to delete a port tha= t to just keep it in the tree for a while longer. >>>>>=20 >>>>> That last part isn't correct. The work of deleting the ports is >>>>> largely automated and simple, and it will always happen eventually. >>>>> The work involved is in supporting unsupported versions. Our php team >>>>> is spread very thin, and they simply cannot support php versions >>>>> outside of upstream development. There are no resources to backport >>>>> fixes that may or may not be designed to work with older versions >>>>=20 >>>> I do not understand this. At all. >>>> And I sort of hope I misunderstood you, because it sounds like you thin= k a maintainer is or may be regarded as someone who can be expected to provi= de product support of some kind? >>>> I find that notion worrying to say the least. >>>=20 >>> If you believe that handling updates, analyzing submitted and upstream >>> patches and development, and answering a bevy of questions for every >>> major update is effortless, then you drastically underestimate the >>> amount of work that goes into the ports tree. >>=20 >> You completely misunderstand me. >> I know there is a lot of effort going into this. I disagree only in that I= do not believe there should be any expectations towards maintainers. >> It is voluntary work. Spare time, etc. I am grateful for the effort peopl= e put into this, but I strongly believe no one should act towards volunteers= with any expectations as to what they should do, how much time they spend, e= tc. >>=20 >> So, I find it wrong to say, as I understood you, to remove a package from= the ports tree because otherwise others people, for instance users of FreeB= SD, would have the *expectation* of receiving support for those packages. >> That perception of any kind of entitlement towards volunteers is wrong, I= MHO. >>=20 >> And that is why I answered that part of your message because it is not (f= or reasons stated above) a valid argument against having outdated software i= n the ports tree. >=20 > Ah! You're right, I did completely misunderstand you. >=20 > You're correct that we don't provide any semblance of support for the > upstream software. Absolutely, and under no circumstances should > anyone have to. >=20 > I'm referring to support of the port itself. Maintainership requires > responding to private emails asking for help; evaluating, testing, and > approving submitted patches; responding to PRs about changes or fixes > or poor behaviour (90% of the time related to portmaster); responding > to error reports; and so on. >=20 > We do expect those things from maintainers, because those are what are > required to keep the ports tree running. And we actively drop > maintainership from ports where maintainers routinely ignore those > responsibilities, regardless of whether they have a commit bit. >=20 > As decke noted, maintainership of a small port with relatively low > deployment is pretty smooth (and don't get me wrong, they're as or > more important than the big packages). But a huge and complex > framework like php is a massive undertaking, with a near-constant > barrage of complex patches that require highly complex testing > strategies, and thousands of dependent ports to worry about for every > change. Sure, if you feel like that is so there is no need to argue about it. I stil= l feel the latent drift of =E2=80=9Cphp is high profile and low profile is e= asy=E2=80=9D like a sneaky way out of a fruitful discussion ignoring the req= uest made by users: don=E2=80=99t kill software on tight schedules if there i= s no technical need for it. Unless you want to state a valid technical reason. For PHP 5.6 removal espec= ially one has to assume that general arguments are merely made up here to fi= t the general lack of disagreement on the grace period issue. That=E2=80=99s fine and easier to say you don=E2=80=99t want to do it vs. it= cannot be done. :) > I suggested that it might be possible for stale languages to remain in > the tree, as long as the above support wasn't required or expected. > But, honestly, Franco's response mocking the offer made my desire to > help him somewhere at or below zero, and has pretty much ensured that > nobody else in portmgr is going to be eager to get skin in the game. I=E2=80=98m merely pointing out you=E2=80=98re unwilling to do it and your o= ffer was impractical for users running any PHP extension but you were not st= raight forward in your answer previously. This segment at least makes it cle= ar so thank you for being frank about it. To sum it up there is no desire by= maintainers to do what users requested here so yay for that conclusion at l= east. Cheers, Franco From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 15:28:03 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21758B69A9 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:28:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@waschbuesch.de) Received: from relay01.waschbuesch.it (relay01.waschbuesch.it [IPv6:2a00:cba0:100::231]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.waschbuesch.it", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466fqj5bWWz4TVD for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:28:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@waschbuesch.de) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=waschbuesch.de; s=dkim; h=Message-Id:In-Reply-To:To:References:Date:Subject :Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:From:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=cvGAdMkG9Su8JPEH5ac+eEVLF/DL2XEj9+hh9qe5rmU=; b=LSqi68j83op+cEmtv8st3d7P65 vi5jDCjIK+z6qXgDSmQoFCcGlGxJ3szO/xr7tN5JtKsmXy4s1v4BchXjsdys8pna0tEbWBM/3zism bk/9DsiNhAHV0VBvSojmpn8Za1vC5amNd6m1gqsxRc2nfgdfmSMH85EtozAz5zRJ51gA=; Received: by relay01.waschbuesch.it with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim) (envelope-from ) id 1hxCEm-0008Y3-4x for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:27:56 +0000 From: =?utf-8?Q?Martin_Waschb=C3=BCsch?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: PHP version retirement Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:27:54 +0200 References: <64faf143-bae3-378c-3ee2-b196c2ea4111@astart.com> <16731AF5-68E9-4E41-8D21-CF5917BE32A4@waschbuesch.de> <20190810231216.GA23293@lyxys.ka.sub.org> <2DE6652A-86FF-4F07-9F8D-97E845D41E41@waschbuesch.de> To: FreeBSD Ports In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466fqj5bWWz4TVD X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=waschbuesch.de header.s=dkim header.b=LSqi68j8; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=waschbuesch.de; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of martin@waschbuesch.de designates 2a00:cba0:100::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=martin@waschbuesch.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.07 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[waschbuesch.de:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[1.3.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.1.0.0.a.b.c.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[waschbuesch.de:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[waschbuesch.de,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.87)[-0.869,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-0.00)[country: DE(-0.01)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21476, ipnet:2a00:cba0::/32, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:28:03 -0000 Hi Adam, > Am 12.08.2019 um 15:29 schrieb Adam Weinberger : >=20 > On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 1:04 AM Martin Waschb=C3=BCsch = wrote: >>>>>> Furthermore, the argument that it is more more work to maintain = an abandoned version is silly because it=E2=80=99s more work to delete a = port that to just keep it in the tree for a while longer. >>>>>=20 >>>>> That last part isn't correct. The work of deleting the ports is >>>>> largely automated and simple, and it will always happen = eventually. >>>>> The work involved is in supporting unsupported versions. Our php = team >>>>> is spread very thin, and they simply cannot support php versions >>>>> outside of upstream development. There are no resources to = backport >>>>> fixes that may or may not be designed to work with older versions >>>>=20 >>>> I do not understand this. At all. >>>> And I sort of hope I misunderstood you, because it sounds like you = think a maintainer is or may be regarded as someone who can be expected = to provide product support of some kind? >>>> I find that notion worrying to say the least. >>>=20 >>> If you believe that handling updates, analyzing submitted and = upstream >>> patches and development, and answering a bevy of questions for every >>> major update is effortless, then you drastically underestimate the >>> amount of work that goes into the ports tree. >>=20 >> You completely misunderstand me. >> I know there is a lot of effort going into this. I disagree only in = that I do not believe there should be any expectations towards = maintainers. >> It is voluntary work. Spare time, etc. I am grateful for the effort = people put into this, but I strongly believe no one should act towards = volunteers with any expectations as to what they should do, how much = time they spend, etc. >>=20 >> So, I find it wrong to say, as I understood you, to remove a package = from the ports tree because otherwise others people, for instance users = of FreeBSD, would have the *expectation* of receiving support for those = packages. >> That perception of any kind of entitlement towards volunteers is = wrong, IMHO. >>=20 >> And that is why I answered that part of your message because it is = not (for reasons stated above) a valid argument against having outdated = software in the ports tree. >=20 > Ah! You're right, I did completely misunderstand you. >=20 > You're correct that we don't provide any semblance of support for the > upstream software. Absolutely, and under no circumstances should > anyone have to. got it. I am glad that we are on the same page here. > I'm referring to support of the port itself. Maintainership requires > responding to private emails asking for help; evaluating, testing, and > approving submitted patches; responding to PRs about changes or fixes > or poor behaviour (90% of the time related to portmaster); responding > to error reports; and so on. Understood. If I wanted to offer my help maintaining a no longer = supported version of php, where would I look to try and identify the = amount of work likely to be involved? Would bugs.freebsd.org be a comprehensive source for such an evaluation? = There are a total of 10 issues in 2018 and 2019 when searching for php = 5.6: = https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?bug_status=3D__open__&bug_st= atus=3D__closed__&bug_status=3DNew&bug_status=3DOpen&bug_status=3DIn%20Pro= gress&bug_status=3DClosed&bug_status=3DUNCONFIRMED&f0=3DOP&f1=3DOP&f10=3DO= P&f11=3Dproduct&f12=3Dcomponent&f13=3Dalias&f14=3Dshort_desc&f16=3DCP&f17=3D= CP&f2=3Dproduct&f3=3Dcomponent&f4=3Dalias&f5=3Dshort_desc&f7=3DCP&f8=3DCP&= f9=3DOP&j1=3DOR&j10=3DOR&o11=3Dsubstring&o12=3Dsubstring&o13=3Dsubstring&o= 14=3Dsubstring&o15=3Dsubstring&o2=3Dsubstring&o3=3Dsubstring&o4=3Dsubstrin= g&o5=3Dsubstring&o6=3Dsubstring&order=3Dchangeddate%20DESC%2Cpriority%2Cbu= g_severity&query_format=3Dadvanced&v11=3D5.6&v12=3D5.6&v13=3D5.6&v14=3D5.6= &v15=3D5.6&v2=3Dphp&v3=3Dphp&v4=3Dphp&v5=3Dphp&v6=3Dphp I assume there is more work involved (at the very least compiling php = and all its modules with poudriere, for different platforms and / or = versions of FreeBSD, etc.). > We do expect those things from maintainers, because those are what are > required to keep the ports tree running. And we actively drop > maintainership from ports where maintainers routinely ignore those > responsibilities, regardless of whether they have a commit bit. Also understood. I took up maintainership of archivers/lz4 a while back = when it was without a maintainer, so I am a little familiar with how = this works. > As decke noted, maintainership of a small port with relatively low > deployment is pretty smooth (and don't get me wrong, they're as or > more important than the big packages). But a huge and complex > framework like php is a massive undertaking, with a near-constant > barrage of complex patches that require highly complex testing > strategies, and thousands of dependent ports to worry about for every > change. Would you agree that in the case of software that is no longer = maintained upstream, the support would mostly consist of ensuring the = packages still compile on newer versions of FreeBSD or reacting to = problems arising when dependencies for php change? After all, new = releases or patches from upstream are no longer an issue. > I suggested that it might be possible for stale languages to remain in > the tree, as long as the above support wasn't required or expected. > But, honestly, Franco's response mocking the offer made my desire to > help him somewhere at or below zero, and has pretty much ensured that > nobody else in portmgr is going to be eager to get skin in the game. Just as an aside, does that not amount to, well, essentially punishing = others who might be interested in longer availability of ports such as = php after the end of upstream development as a reaction to Franco's = messages? I would understand if you said: "Franco's reasons are not sufficiently = convincing to change the way things are done." But saying: "We won't change the way things are done (even if there were = legitimate reasons) simply because we are fed up with Franco?" I cannot = agree with that. At any rate: My proposal would be a compromise of sorts: If there were people willing to ensure the packages continue to build = without errors on active releases of FreeBSD, could not maintainership = of the most recently EOL php version go over to that group until = something (dependency, change in base system, etc.) prevented the = packages from being successfully built or a specified grace period (6 = months, a year, EOL of next php version, etc.) has expired? Martin= From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 17:11:11 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E1C5B9517 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:11:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anatoly@kazanfieldhockey.ru) Received: from kazanfieldhockey.ru (kazanfieldhockey.ru [78.138.152.250]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "kazanfieldhockey.ru", Issuer "System Administrator" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466j6k2pjYz4bDj for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:11:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anatoly@kazanfieldhockey.ru) Received: from asd2 (host-175-22.static.telecet.ru [87.117.175.22]) (authenticated bits=0) by kazanfieldhockey.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x7CGjVH9012310 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 19:45:32 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from anatoly@kazanfieldhockey.ru) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:11:08 +0300 From: Anatoly To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PHP version retirement Message-ID: <20190812201108.4336bdee@asd2> In-Reply-To: <20190810112225.GE28929@home.opsec.eu> References: <20190810112225.GE28929@home.opsec.eu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (kazanfieldhockey.ru [192.168.13.2]); Mon, 12 Aug 2019 19:45:32 +0300 (MSK) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466j6k2pjYz4bDj X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of anatoly@kazanfieldhockey.ru has no SPF policy when checking 78.138.152.250) smtp.mailfrom=anatoly@kazanfieldhockey.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.94 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.77)[asn: 28840(3.83), country: RU(0.01)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.96)[0.959,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kazanfieldhockey.ru]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.88)[0.880,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.94)[0.936,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:28840, ipnet:78.138.144.0/20, country:RU]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:11:11 -0000 On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 13:22:25 +0200 Kurt Jaeger wrote: > Hi! > > [...] > > Would it not be better to have, say, the last two versions before > > current stable still in ports but with a huge disclaimer saying: > > use at your own risk, etc.? > > > > What do y'all think? > > You make the case for something other systems call backports, > basically, keeping stuff in working order in the tree. > > Backports in other systems need someone to take up stewardship. > > So, either a group steps forward and takes responsibility to > keep them in working order in the generic tree, e.g. by > - having a mailing list, e.g. backports@, > - and changing the maintainer from ports@ to backports@ > - and fixing PRs as they come up > > Or a group provides their own pkg repo that the normal pkg-user can > reference to retrieve those older packages. > > Both approaches sound possible, but need a non-trivial amount of > investment. > Just wishing one day someone come up with it... I do more and more builds from souce last years because more and more ports disappearing due to deprecated dependencies or themselves (last time it was Natron->qt4 for ex.) what's about php5.6, it isn't big deal to me to build it from source, but if I'll ask people from low budget hosting companies around "Why not FreeBSD?", I think this will be one of significant points, cause many of them hire low-budget engineers, who only can or want install something from ready distro/packages and copy pre-written configs. But maybe FreeBSD indeed isn't right OS for them. From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Tue Aug 13 06:13:05 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447B1CCBDF for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 06:13:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4672Sw22BRz4T4g for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 06:13:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Subject: Re: PHP version retirement Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 00:13:02 -0600 References: <64faf143-bae3-378c-3ee2-b196c2ea4111@astart.com> <16731AF5-68E9-4E41-8D21-CF5917BE32A4@waschbuesch.de> <20190810231216.GA23293@lyxys.ka.sub.org> <2DE6652A-86FF-4F07-9F8D-97E845D41E41@waschbuesch.de> To: Mark Millard via freebsd-ports In-Reply-To: <2DE6652A-86FF-4F07-9F8D-97E845D41E41@waschbuesch.de> Message-Id: <0D48725E-744E-4AD4-9427-DD27061FDB80@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4672Sw22BRz4T4g X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.53 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.990,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.994,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.23)[ip: (-0.88), ipnet: 65.112.0.0/12(-0.24), asn: 209(-0.00), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.91)[-0.912,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[42.55.121.65.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 06:13:05 -0000 On 12 Aug 19, at 01:04 , Martin Waschb=C3=BCsch = wrote: > So, I find it wrong to say, as I understood you, to remove a package = from the ports tree because otherwise others people, for instance users = of FreeBSD, would have the *expectation* of receiving support for those = packages. There is not expectation that any code is being maintained, but there = *IS* an expectation that the software in ports is being maintained, = supported, and is functional. --=20 Im finding's you'r mis'use of apostrophe's disturbing. From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Tue Aug 13 10:56:31 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A41F2AAE12 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:56:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@waschbuesch.de) Received: from relay01.waschbuesch.it (relay01.waschbuesch.it [IPv6:2a00:cba0:100::231]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.waschbuesch.it", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4678lx75Dsz3CNb for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:56:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@waschbuesch.de) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=waschbuesch.de; s=dkim; h=Message-Id:In-Reply-To:To:References:Date:Subject :Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:From:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=rJAlTBhPmeAiSEwaGuCIk35a5ReUVyr4XJz0FVlW0NA=; b=gqtwxv0n88nmGP7E6P9JdITIQX fhW/uim+mZXMdmQj0YrX/NjpcLis65lVgBHOi0fGn7KCnqErFxH3suvlQbGnld6xE4hn4s9YASzHQ 74I72tqKW95YUKRCYf+VWMI3LEyPq1wA7iSRsIh93WvsGZowPwW8CyksnVXuedw9A8O0=; Received: by relay01.waschbuesch.it with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim) (envelope-from ) id 1hxUTY-000NEi-65 for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:56:24 +0000 From: =?utf-8?Q?Martin_Waschb=C3=BCsch?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: PHP version retirement Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 12:56:24 +0200 References: <64faf143-bae3-378c-3ee2-b196c2ea4111@astart.com> <16731AF5-68E9-4E41-8D21-CF5917BE32A4@waschbuesch.de> <20190810231216.GA23293@lyxys.ka.sub.org> <2DE6652A-86FF-4F07-9F8D-97E845D41E41@waschbuesch.de> <0D48725E-744E-4AD4-9427-DD27061FDB80@kreme.com> To: FreeBSD Ports In-Reply-To: <0D48725E-744E-4AD4-9427-DD27061FDB80@kreme.com> Message-Id: <5EACC301-972C-4567-BE3F-04AA63333F83@waschbuesch.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4678lx75Dsz3CNb X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=waschbuesch.de header.s=dkim header.b=gqtwxv0n; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=waschbuesch.de; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of martin@waschbuesch.de designates 2a00:cba0:100::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=martin@waschbuesch.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.04 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[waschbuesch.de:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[1.3.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.1.0.0.a.b.c.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[waschbuesch.de:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[waschbuesch.de,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.84)[-0.839,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-0.00)[country: DE(-0.01)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21476, ipnet:2a00:cba0::/32, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:56:31 -0000 > Am 13.08.2019 um 08:13 schrieb @lbutlr : >=20 > On 12 Aug 19, at 01:04 , Martin Waschb=C3=BCsch = wrote: >> So, I find it wrong to say, as I understood you, to remove a package = from the ports tree because otherwise others people, for instance users = of FreeBSD, would have the *expectation* of receiving support for those = packages. >=20 > There is not expectation that any code is being maintained, but there = *IS* an expectation that the software in ports is being maintained, = supported, and is functional. Agreed. But in which areas would you expect there to be problems for a package = that was working up date x, got security and bug fixes until date x and = the actual source code of which will not change after date x? The only things that come to my mind are changes in packages it depends = on or changes in the base os.= From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Tue Aug 13 22:24:07 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B767BF4C1 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 22:24:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta02.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 467S1L2pLLz4Vkq for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 22:24:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from localhost ([96.28.161.151]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id xf4uhBDOliYm2xf4yhziVU; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 22:15:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 22:15:13 +0000 From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: firefox References: <0eeb4921-b8a5-f0f8-f568-80b240a73aec@hawaii-pacific.com> <23888.59649.122277.267681@jerusalem.litteratus.org> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfE/CC2kz6sDotlQA7Hhh/rZewYzZd+HLmlpi1OX8LVYtthpJqcXrMNE2Xwso6YRdhJQ8pzTGv1ubssLGY8el89E2XzqK4DCEpqbikz4VLIdNB7NL01zM WSiLzKcZYLwbYH0WxjOpitYNuUCnn/oi/QvSgeOPAQI6WwO4RdtiofMd X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 467S1L2pLLz4Vkq X-Spamd-Bar: +++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mueller6722@twc.com designates 107.14.73.231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mueller6722@twc.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.35 / 15.00]; R_MISSING_CHARSET(2.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:107.14.73.0/24]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; BROKEN_CONTENT_TYPE(1.50)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[twc.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[151.161.28.96.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[twc.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7843, ipnet:107.14.73.0/24, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.982,0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:~]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.965,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[twc.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MISSING_MID(2.50)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[231.73.14.107.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-6.06), ipnet: 107.14.73.0/24(-2.84), asn: 7843(-2.28), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 22:24:07 -0000 bruce writes: > I used seamonkey for years without problems.  Now with seamonkey no > longer available I have tried firefox.  It crashes regularly and > isn't nearly as good as seamonkey.  When are you bringing seamonkey > back? Robert Huff responded: Short answer: probably never. Longer answer: 1) it is (I believe) no longer developed/maintained upstream. 2) the port does not have a local maintainer. 3) it has a long list of security issues, which persisted for months if not years. I, too, will miss it. But in the larger scheme of things this probably the path of wisdom. (Now ... if you are volunteering to revive it, assume maintainership, and contribute patches - thankyouthankyouthankyou!!!!) I went to www.seamonkey-project.org last night. Seamonkey looked alive, but last update was over a year ago (July 27, 2019 as I best remember): 2.49.4 . I looked in FreeBSD ports tree, which I track using svn: www/seamonkey was not there. But www/seamonkey is still in (NetBSD) pkgsrc. >From the Makefile, it looks like there is no maintainer: DISTNAME= seamonkey-${SM_VER}.source PKGNAME= seamonkey-${SM_VER:S/b/beta/} PKGREVISION= 13 SM_VER= 2.49.4 CATEGORIES= www MASTER_SITES= ${MASTER_SITE_MOZILLA:=seamonkey/releases/${SM_VER}/source/} EXTRACT_SUFX= .tar.xz MAINTAINER= pkgsrc-users@NetBSD.org HOMEPAGE= http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ COMMENT= Full-featured gecko-based browser One suggestion from me is www/otter-browser, available in FreeBSD ports, NetBSD pkgsrc, Linux (various), and haikuports (for Haiku). Tom From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Wed Aug 14 06:57:45 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CBFFC8AAC for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 06:57:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467gQ11Pdbz3P3w for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 06:57:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 2FDD5C8AA9; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 06:57:45 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F992C8AA8 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 06:57:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 467gQ10XfYz3P3n for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 06:57:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from portscout.nyi.freebsd.org (portscout.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D06D924172 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 06:57:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from portscout@localhost) by portscout.nyi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id x7E6vi02046273; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 06:57:44 GMT (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <201908140657.x7E6vi02046273@portscout.nyi.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: portscout.nyi.freebsd.org: portscout set sender to portscout@FreeBSD.org using -f Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 06:57:44 +0000 From: portscout@FreeBSD.org To: ports@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD ports you maintain which are out of date X-Mailer: portscout/0.8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 06:57:45 -0000 Dear port maintainer, The portscout new distfile checker has detected that one or more of your ports appears to be out of date. 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From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Wed Aug 14 20:32:28 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90917BA124 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 20:32:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=wr//=WK=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (elsa.codelab.cz [94.124.105.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4681V31GkPz3QY9 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 20:32:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=wr//=WK=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D3A28417; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 22:32:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from illbsd.quip.test (ip-62-24-92-232.net.upcbroadband.cz [62.24.92.232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2160128416; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 22:32:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: firefox To: "@lbutlr" , Mark Millard via freebsd-ports References: <0eeb4921-b8a5-f0f8-f568-80b240a73aec@hawaii-pacific.com> From: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 22:32:21 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4681V31GkPz3QY9 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of SRS0=wr//=WK=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz has no SPF policy when checking 94.124.105.4) smtp.mailfrom=SRS0=wr//=WK=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.88 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.88)[0.878,0]; IP_SCORE(0.92)[ip: (0.49), ipnet: 94.124.104.0/21(0.25), asn: 42000(3.81), country: CZ(0.08)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[quip.cz]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.96)[0.958,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.105.124.94.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.92)[0.919,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[000.fbsd@quip.cz,SRS0=wr//=WK=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42000, ipnet:94.124.104.0/21, country:CZ]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[000.fbsd@quip.cz,SRS0=wr//=WK=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 20:32:28 -0000 @lbutlr wrote on 2019/08/12 07:08: > On 11 Aug 2019, at 20:29, bruce wrote: >> I have tried firefox. It crashes regularly > > That doesn’t sound right. If Firefox is crashing a lot there is something not quite right with your system or install. I am using Seamonkey on everyday basis. Sometimes my computer is running 20+ days without reboot and Seamonkey running all the time with 5 windows and total count of 200+ openned tabs. No crashes at all. Firefox crashes instantly after start (even if I delete its profile) Palemoon, Qupzilla, Iridium crashes few times a day. LibreOffice, Gimp and other apps are running fine. Only browsers are so unstable these days. And as you can read I am not alone with this kind of experience so I don't think it's just my computer problem. Miroslav Lachman From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Aug 15 03:10:15 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FEA5C4F51 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 03:10:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daeron@optusnet.com.au) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468BK24dh7z4L4k for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 03:10:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daeron@optusnet.com.au) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 9D565C4F50; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 03:10:14 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D167C4F4F for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 03:10:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daeron@optusnet.com.au) Received: from mail104.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail104.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.246]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468BJz5rp8z4L4j for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 03:10:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daeron@optusnet.com.au) Received: from [192.168.3.100] (c110-21-115-240.farfl4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [110.21.115.240]) (Authenticated sender: daeron@optusnet.com.au) by mail104.syd.optusnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 02E9143D53C for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:10:06 +1000 (AEST) Message-ID: <12b6bc9005b81c32e4a8b5c9491a7e9f9f4fa4fe.camel@optushome.com.au> Subject: devel/dee Python27 From: Andrew Johnson To: ports@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:10:05 +1000 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5 FreeBSD GNOME Team Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Optus-CM-Score: 0 X-Optus-CM-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=P6RKvmIu c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=aKXCLM7vam43+AbB07oSQQ==:117 a=aKXCLM7vam43+AbB07oSQQ==:17 a=M5H8QR2CA5-cW1MNmO8A:9 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468BJz5rp8z4L4j X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of daeron@optusnet.com.au designates 211.29.132.246 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=daeron@optusnet.com.au X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.47 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_MISSING_CHARSET(2.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:211.29.132.0/23]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.979,0]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[daeron@optushome.com.au,daeron@optusnet.com.au]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[246.132.29.211.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[optusnet.com.au]; ASN(0.00)[asn:4804, ipnet:211.28.0.0/14, country:AU]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[daeron@optushome.com.au,daeron@optusnet.com.au]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[ports@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[optushome.com.au]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-2.50)[ip: (-6.94), ipnet: 211.28.0.0/14(-3.21), asn: 4804(-2.34), country: AU(0.01)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 03:10:15 -0000 Is there any plan to drop the Python2.7 dependency of devel/dee? 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[64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.17.5); Thu, 15 Aug 2019 06:14:59 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|relay@ozzmosis.com X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Bubble-Imminent: 0102faa10ef2f245_1565849699366_2012110250 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1565849699365:3049161204 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1565849699365 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a23.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a23.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A903E803CD; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 23:14:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=ozzmosis.com; h=date:from :to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type :in-reply-to; s=ozzmosis.com; bh=jD7H/HU/eHAoD7FlufdT9+htXM0=; b= k9KQoB6IOMzFR7uwwMDqY/SQH6MJcjEZBzM8A2AgKEbEugapU/MFEf4msivXXAWh 8tNBTjVMbYCYeKhN1aHS7gKPazLccq0AVEAINzI9Y5OmUxmEHbMYdM2gaP+hF2bu tEEpgrJ3j+nXSNjrRscefVrDjOqspEVkjfSCPD1bP78= Received: from blizzard.ozzmosis.com (167-179-139-56.a7b38b.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net [167.179.139.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: relay@ozzmosis.com) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a23.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 38B088033B; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 23:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by blizzard.ozzmosis.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 38B757B855; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 16:14:48 +1000 (AEST) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 16:14:48 +1000 X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a23 From: andrew clarke To: Andrew Johnson Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: devel/dee Python27 Message-ID: <20190815061448.laobb3nvnyhabopp@ozzmosis.com> References: <12b6bc9005b81c32e4a8b5c9491a7e9f9f4fa4fe.camel@optushome.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <12b6bc9005b81c32e4a8b5c9491a7e9f9f4fa4fe.camel@optushome.com.au> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: 0 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrudeftddgjeehucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpeffhffvuffkfhggtggujggfsehttdertddtredvnecuhfhrohhmpegrnhgurhgvficutghlrghrkhgvuceomhgrihhlsehoiiiimhhoshhishdrtghomheqnecuffhomhgrihhnpehlrghunhgthhhprggurdhnvghtpdhusghunhhtuhdrtghomhdplhgruhhntghhphgrughlihgsrhgrrhhirghnrdhnvghtnecukfhppeduieejrddujeelrddufeelrdehieenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghlohepsghlihiiiigrrhgurdhoiiiimhhoshhishdrtghomhdpihhnvghtpeduieejrddujeelrddufeelrdehiedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheprghnughrvgifucgtlhgrrhhkvgcuoehmrghilhesohiiiihmohhsihhsrdgtohhmqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehmrghilhesohiiiihmohhsihhsrdgtohhmpdhnrhgtphhtthhopegurggvrhhonhesohhpthhushhhohhmvgdrtghomhdrrghunecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468GQG1H5vz4TT2 X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=ozzmosis.com header.s=ozzmosis.com header.b=k9KQoB6I; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mail@ozzmosis.com designates 23.83.209.27 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mail@ozzmosis.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.74 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[ozzmosis.com:s=ozzmosis.com]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+ip4:23.83.208.1/20]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.77)[-0.775,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[ozzmosis.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.67)[-0.671,0]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ozzmosis.com:+]; SEM_URIBL(3.50)[ubuntu.com.uribl.spameatingmonkey.net]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[27.209.83.23.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.3.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.49)[-0.494,0]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.18)[ipnet: 23.83.208.0/21(0.55), asn: 36483(0.44), country: CA(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36483, ipnet:23.83.208.0/21, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 06:15:03 -0000 On Thu 2019-08-15 13:10:05 UTC+1000, Andrew Johnson (daeron@optushome.com.au) wrote: > Is there any plan to drop the Python2.7 dependency of devel/dee? It's probably out of scope of FreeBSD Ports to supply patches to the Python part of the libdee code that rewrites it to use Python 3.x instead of Python 2.7. Looking at upstream[1][2], that code hasn't been updated since 2013. The online documentation[3] is also missing. Based on the bitrot, my guess is it has been superceded by something else? Disclaimer: I don't use libdee. [1] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/151383425/ "No Such Resource" [2] https://launchpad.net/dee/ still lists the most recent version as 1.2.7 [3] http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.04/c/dee/ 404: Page not found From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Aug 15 07:15:09 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B686C9459 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 07:15:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468Hld1MkKz4WW5 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 07:15:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 2D106C9456; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 07:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CDA4C9455 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 07:15:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468Hld0VWrz4WW1 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 07:15:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from portscout.nyi.freebsd.org (portscout.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E76F9CFE1 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 07:15:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from portscout@localhost) by portscout.nyi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id x7F7F8rY077839; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 07:15:08 GMT (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <201908150715.x7F7F8rY077839@portscout.nyi.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: portscout.nyi.freebsd.org: portscout set sender to portscout@FreeBSD.org using -f Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 07:15:08 +0000 From: portscout@FreeBSD.org To: ports@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD ports you maintain which are out of date X-Mailer: portscout/0.8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 07:15:09 -0000 Dear port maintainer, The portscout new distfile checker has detected that one or more of your ports appears to be out of date. 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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 01:28:48 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: firefox To: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> Cc: "@lbutlr" , Mark Millard via freebsd-ports Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468KPL0KLhz4Zqq X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=ctkUCIhc; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of xxjack12xx@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::736 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=xxjack12xx@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[6.3.7.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.37), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.96), asn: 15169(-2.38), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 08:29:27 -0000 On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:32 PM Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> wrote: > > @lbutlr wrote on 2019/08/12 07:08: > > On 11 Aug 2019, at 20:29, bruce wrote: > >> I have tried firefox. It crashes regularly > > > > That doesn=E2=80=99t sound right. If Firefox is crashing a lot there is= something not quite right with your system or install. > > I am using Seamonkey on everyday basis. Sometimes my computer is running > 20+ days without reboot and Seamonkey running all the time with 5 > windows and total count of 200+ openned tabs. No crashes at all. > Firefox crashes instantly after start (even if I delete its profile) > Palemoon, Qupzilla, Iridium crashes few times a day. > LibreOffice, Gimp and other apps are running fine. Only browsers are so > unstable these days. And as you can read I am not alone with this kind > of experience so I don't think it's just my computer problem. > > Miroslav Lachman yup, they don't make browsers like they used to From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Aug 15 10:25:04 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC287CD507 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 10:25:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468Myl6C7Sz3C4Q for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 10:25:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with local (Exim 4.92.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1hyCw9-000Bmb-Aj for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 04:24:53 -0600 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 04:24:53 -0600 From: The Doctor To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: [druggeri@apache.org: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Apache HTTP Server 2.4.41 Released] Message-ID: <20190815102453.GA43204@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468Myl6C7Sz3C4Q X-Spamd-Bar: ++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.37 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+a]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.31)[0.310,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; URIBL_PBL(0.02)[empire.kred]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[nl2k.ab.ca,quarantine]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.28)[0.279,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.04)[-0.035,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; INTRODUCTION(2.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6171, ipnet:204.209.81.0/24, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.20)[ip: (-0.48), ipnet: 204.209.81.0/24(-0.24), asn: 6171(-0.19), country: CA(-0.09)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 10:25:05 -0000 Heads up Apache porters! ----- Forwarded message from Daniel Ruggeri ----- Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 15:50:10 -0500 From: Daniel Ruggeri To: announce@httpd.apache.org Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Apache HTTP Server 2.4.41 Released Apache HTTP Server 2.4.41 Released August 14, 2019 The Apache Software Foundation and the Apache HTTP Server Project are pleased to announce the release of version 2.4.41 of the Apache HTTP Server ("Apache"). This version of Apache is our latest GA release of the new generation 2.4.x branch of Apache HTTPD and represents fifteen years of innovation by the project, and is recommended over all previous releases. This release of Apache is a security and bug fix release. We consider this release to be the best version of Apache available, and encourage users of all prior versions to upgrade. Apache HTTP Server 2.4.41 is available for download from: https://httpd.apache.org/download.cgi Apache 2.4 offers numerous enhancements, improvements, and performance boosts over the 2.2 codebase. For an overview of new features introduced since 2.4 please see: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/trunk/new_features_2_4.html Please see the CHANGES_2.4 file, linked from the download page, for a full list of changes. A condensed list, CHANGES_2.4.41 includes only those changes introduced since the prior 2.4 release. 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It crashes regularly > > > > > > That doesn=E2=80=99t sound right. If Firefox is crashing a lot there = is > something not quite right with your system or install. > > > > I am using Seamonkey on everyday basis. Sometimes my computer is runnin= g > > 20+ days without reboot and Seamonkey running all the time with 5 > > windows and total count of 200+ openned tabs. No crashes at all. > > Firefox crashes instantly after start (even if I delete its profile) > > Palemoon, Qupzilla, Iridium crashes few times a day. > > LibreOffice, Gimp and other apps are running fine. Only browsers are so > > unstable these days. And as you can read I am not alone with this kind > > of experience so I don't think it's just my computer problem. > > > > Miroslav Lachman > > yup, they don't make browsers like they used to I'll probably regret opening this potential can of worms, but I find these reports of instability in Firefox surprising. I have used Firfox as my web browser on FreeBSD for many year, going back to at least Firefox v3 and probably v2. I can't say I've never had it crash, but in the past year I can't recall a single crash on FreeBSD. It has been rock solid. So why is it failing or some people? (I'll note in passing that Firefox has been somewhat less stable on Windows 7 where it seems to crash every couple of weeks. Possibilities include hardware, especially graphics, web sites visited, and Firefox configuration. Lots of tabs may be an issue as I try to keep my open tabs under 20. I can't imagine trying to deal with 200+, but it must eat a lot of resources. That may be tied to the failures reported. -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Aug 15 17:58:47 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F2AB1349 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:58:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi1-x230.google.com (mail-oi1-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::230]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468Z2G3KMGz4CLV for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:58:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi1-x230.google.com with SMTP id l12so2896268oil.1 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 10:58:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=zlb4p4jri6XkXeFJMWgAm7iC93QM5DQfZ5McbXk1Kms=; b=cu7CAPZuE1dw1wIXzIBBaa9po00YC5uC7Vs3xl1oDWS+DYjTs9GZNuK9RB0WWIyYnO 7L5Gtpv/aSlIFW02NZOpNBhwIe/IOwx/rYTJZ2RleqaNA6daSvH3ULAcj54jyQCqy7ct sqgl/fSIw0GpbcoSiQFlT1i26BKSqS+zedhNluA9L7kGLCzJEHfa41oES0aUS3pKPJsN wlcGwXQ3S/W8bSkVqo9Aiv0XQx09Fa2UUN8u1y3fCFSZaj7As1TTlmSqTO17ZM6O7WX5 KMMhu8g27VB4AQFCEmnzVNL1BUC1gc0qaHq7Ornsqo9TNNYS8YkjuOFPuG/kEemIhIPo cHew== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=zlb4p4jri6XkXeFJMWgAm7iC93QM5DQfZ5McbXk1Kms=; b=r1AI2+AGSHaCyf1oDal8W/FPlwPTnXpAWfvQFWad4wHaxkE6ZRcaec+Gu0u2eVzjgr iZpASAPrSRYkRD49EuH5cN2SGSwzUsTqmH5sevkxr2d2XrXVZzwwTaf5qIgoCCf1VNRr VcWu623ZJpM978xftb8SOXJQTqxGF2kAC6AdFc4Z4la5PiRDu5fvNx0pNhsLl1PMhDT4 CgA3b7EvTAEtZ0bLxJU3R+RRvVrUR0kxNnYVWM/uBarjs2mYev/sbAGju5Ljq/6yfk19 rPz566Bmrk+plj8R90BMtEqIsTXgkI+VVwmdvA/BHbcQehC5XjF/cNhq8DcOHU27Krhz rAnw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUpMI6tBG07cLEx1IV1hQDDuXpXnRe2Xt8oUEFc65xON4XSQqxU wq+L0at+bI7F/Wk71to/FS8xpkJZGL+5H2IdAhkpvdMgxGo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzyAejTdm+lXPlwjNhZm/xV5uT/7PakFP3HztO31BNw2vZwq4tFSeVEDYOcfbUNDEspGgvR4Rjxw1DE/KFyIdk= X-Received: by 2002:aca:ab56:: with SMTP id u83mr2478552oie.57.1565891924768; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 10:58:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190815102453.GA43204@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> In-Reply-To: <20190815102453.GA43204@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> From: Kevin Oberman Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 10:58:28 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [druggeri@apache.org: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Apache HTTP Server 2.4.41 Released] To: The Doctor Cc: FreeBSD Ports ML X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468Z2G3KMGz4CLV X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=cu7CAPZu; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kob6558@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kob6558@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.70 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[rkoberman@gmail.com,kob6558@gmail.com]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.16), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.96), asn: 15169(-2.38), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[rkoberman@gmail.com,kob6558@gmail.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[0.3.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:58:47 -0000 On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 3:25 AM The Doctor via freebsd-ports < freebsd-ports@freebsd.org> wrote: > Heads up Apache porters! > > ----- Forwarded message from Daniel Ruggeri ----- > > Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 15:50:10 -0500 > From: Daniel Ruggeri > To: announce@httpd.apache.org > Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Apache HTTP Server 2.4.41 Released > > Apache HTTP Server 2.4.41 Released > [...] I think you are running a bit late. The 2.4.41 port was committed yesterday at 19:25 UTC... about 14 hours before this was sent out. So far, I have seen no issues. -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Aug 15 19:48:16 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD26B4AA6 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:48:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pi@freebsd.org) Received: from home.opsec.eu (home.opsec.eu [IPv6:2001:14f8:200::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468cSc39wZz4Lsy for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:48:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pi@freebsd.org) Received: from pi by home.opsec.eu with local (Exim 4.92.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1hyLjC-000CrH-3o; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 21:48:06 +0200 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 21:48:06 +0200 From: Kurt Jaeger To: Kevin Oberman Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: firefox Message-ID: <20190815194806.GA3427@home.opsec.eu> References: <0eeb4921-b8a5-f0f8-f568-80b240a73aec@hawaii-pacific.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468cSc39wZz4Lsy X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.98 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.982,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12502, ipnet:2001:14f8::/32, country:DE] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:48:16 -0000 Hi! > I'll probably regret opening this potential can of worms, but I find these > reports of instability in Firefox surprising. Well, I have quite a few issues with firefox already. - The annoying 'pocket' icon which needs to be removed in every new profile and other similar 'options' - strange behaviour in input fields etc. - annoying question if one wants to refresh firefox - and crashes So I'm using palemoon as fallback browser, which has other issues. Not the least the removal due to security issues from the ports tree. I still build it, and it still builds 8-} > Possibilities include hardware, especially graphics, web sites visited, and > Firefox configuration. Lots of tabs may be an issue as I try to keep my > open tabs under 20. > I can't imagine trying to deal with 200+, but it must eat a lot of > resources. That may be tied to the failures reported. My desktops have plenty of resources (32 or 64 GB RAM, lots of CPU), still: Issues pop up eventually. I also have approx. 6-10 different browsers running at the same time (for different profiles and contexts), sometimes with around 100+ tabs each. I have used it on different systems, with different FreeBSD versions (11.2, 12.0), still: The browser situation is messy and gets messier by the day. -- pi@opsec.eu +49 171 3101372 One year to go ! From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Aug 15 20:28:12 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A42B5707 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 20:28:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonc@chen.org.nz) Received: from mail-ua1-x92e.google.com (mail-ua1-x92e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::92e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468dLg2Vvrz4NtR for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 20:28:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonc@chen.org.nz) Received: by mail-ua1-x92e.google.com with SMTP id y7so1068982uae.10 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:28:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=chen-org-nz.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=FGXHZmLHljADd4tWEjosW00TW7fYECLY1MWDtPtAJUM=; b=HrGtOqq1YDhBC+9NtI5ifp0/wwOhJaOv5XuQmuJMGoa9ssS3t2wXU8Gf/sKzJILMDs s4EY1Tu2r+AFl4veZh71Q0ZonFKUHfdkqvZATAM/T1TAAsgXYHXPzqxAtlIZOkywxz5D Wa57bkiacUxSp3i9Cfg5OUZ4TqncVdbdQCqkpzKbM5yJCSFNB8G3wVT7qGB7f/lJtRgs RKfi03qpQ6ceZRhs7fFcc0np+fcIdL1Ms+KYGABlxC7asaQevT/lcMOlpgJpt7WiGJ9n Hy5rjkaWBM8SqFY+9vtciRwROSEoV8vd31dTsNw7hGvGU15bXHRPwcCe6QVA/j2KWoIV pmUQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=FGXHZmLHljADd4tWEjosW00TW7fYECLY1MWDtPtAJUM=; b=U4TrHHChXpnINFaAoSlkYeo0iACes8G1dEetrwJiaNLRFXzhKa0JGKBQmHX7+EeHdb SAi949uxkCftH+Rjj//jTyppLd/yYFNlo8X2QvQmxrDB5Mynw5nBSpBsI1o2/8goyhVB CTsy8AgBMV0m8mds60SbzpyeZUm3O7llt+MnfgbYj73ykEfJ/8TEnqg06dHWWkgAHtuA 4sPcTOBa2+6cGNMvYua3hn6jYojbo9tYLW3cQtpLZ5MneMS0zVvp4S6RDU1PWanDrN7g e2FSNOP8f6Bmj0wIyxv5YuIN1xQJU6EtRkOtKdoovVmata37ckM4phqLdNpCvuxp+4XD 0L4g== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUx2BuS3iinWOvhbNRLGMUf3eVhKzcmLtf85aFr0FpdzEvD2gWI QV0B+sjVjVszyXF/MC6UZdkxxrGl/x0ttctKe1iliFza9v4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy1vExyQcqxuT7vqVwVcWzGUKJLdeNhWDijMuSXCHX/Xhc3ipE6M/YZM1XmyF8jcyR73bSkbAGseaXDdhbErJg= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:443:: with SMTP id 61mr4444624uav.127.1565900889384; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:28:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jonathan Chen Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 08:27:53 +1200 Message-ID: Subject: chromium 76.0.3809.100 fails on page-element inspection To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-chromium@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468dLg2Vvrz4NtR X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=chen-org-nz.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=HrGtOqq1; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jonc@chen.org.nz has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::92e) smtp.mailfrom=jonc@chen.org.nz X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.29 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[chen-org-nz.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[chen.org.nz]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[chen-org-nz.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[e.2.9.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-3.00)[ip: (-9.59), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.96), asn: 15169(-2.38), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 20:28:12 -0000 Hi, I recently updated to chromium 76.0.3809.100, and it appears to segfault whenever I attempt to 'inspect' an element on the page. Is anyone else seeing this? This is on recent STABLE-12/amd64 , r350672. -- Jonathan Chen From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Aug 15 20:58:02 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40408B60DF for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 20:58:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonc@chen.org.nz) Received: from mail-vs1-xe42.google.com (mail-vs1-xe42.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468f144gbwz4QFr for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 20:58:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonc@chen.org.nz) Received: by mail-vs1-xe42.google.com with SMTP id y16so2371882vsc.3 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:58:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=chen-org-nz.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RYMmWfsEW8yNTaWJ4UKwNc83Hdf5mej0uruZgTMdHCk=; b=mUj9mwAWVLWB09M5OZEUDr1yLZLGqpLA5RIeSDV2qstmf3iMH7SCCRuavSPn4/wjyp X9xu/AkthBNfKPJ/bB1ejUyXYVe7iQYQq1VtLpBpLXsI0Vz6CGo/bzuMRW4xJ0l6kNp6 mYDaKsBUKbIsUy8OPgwNZiK6LDiI+YwMKvP1E/0f10VMfR6RVGKNEzdLBIeEWif1U7zL 4aP9y5DckWs60A2k1fkbvqamAqlmwPBFHdlb9H8vsLTaapCn/eSHhCzi3F7YJ+6VWcOF XWRTS0cfeq0jvPA94sJcrHD49j8UVM04p+RT7odu09e07ZzDXpFsC7SwyDRtT/p/9+8F 3eXA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RYMmWfsEW8yNTaWJ4UKwNc83Hdf5mej0uruZgTMdHCk=; b=Z8kCiuCRDVobauGJN5QNfWtT7CgffBpEw3d3/dosxMOWPdecsYiytFl8CJAJOehx8K M1+m4LbNNZzFUrGIPhfKMbY+yKLtBn2bg8/Hz4cWghh0sbbh16wTrgDW8Z2VlkyW8BYI mY4QN03uqDQV6WzB9VSaDbbLgkO/qzEZIyS7/zt09M68AGifyOIzZKIwg6aH8lH17hod Kyp+N4NAGDaRj77q5FDgLsdWKZPyk2MjBV+ehAIFomD/f/Ip7U0aatzK9d8XixPEOPIQ /Lei1AFHofn31EODdGLeIMwiMhq8f4AqJsKfyoXLz7aSv4WewfmV8vGW/+HTuH2XlCEf eAUQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVkcocyfU+pcAP2ghquQyvebb2b2aowiSUd+kQKTVkLpu7C91qX DDFtOvoV5eesbNgdw1xL1TdzzodiNsx+CPOhJ3ysiU1b X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwfIXpv+ujVk/W3fzLrV4rl7I8w9BSAYQPG6+z/gDSUXmW1crRCyDUz5vha9haNkg6B549xwbEIs5ZsbLBkC14= X-Received: by 2002:a67:dd0d:: with SMTP id y13mr3982997vsj.210.1565902679355; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:57:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190815203138.GR1121@albert.catwhisker.org> In-Reply-To: <20190815203138.GR1121@albert.catwhisker.org> From: Jonathan Chen Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 08:57:43 +1200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: chromium 76.0.3809.100 fails on page-element inspection To: David Wolfskill Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-chromium@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468f144gbwz4QFr X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=chen-org-nz.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=mUj9mwAW; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jonc@chen.org.nz has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::e42) smtp.mailfrom=jonc@chen.org.nz X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.93 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[chen-org-nz.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[chen.org.nz]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[chen-org-nz.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.988,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.4.e.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-0.64)[ip: (2.19), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.96), asn: 15169(-2.38), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 20:58:02 -0000 On Fri, 16 Aug 2019 at 08:31, David Wolfskill wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 08:27:53AM +1200, Jonathan Chen wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I recently updated to chromium 76.0.3809.100, and it appears to > > segfault whenever I attempt to 'inspect' an element on the page. Is > > anyone else seeing this? > > > > This is on recent STABLE-12/amd64 , r350672. > > .... > > That's not something I do very much, but I tried it, and it seemed to > work OK. > > I'm running stable/11: Something in my config/setup must have tickled a bug. I cleared out ~/.config/chromium and ~/.cache/chromium, and it appears to work okay now; even with all my chrome-extensions. Thanks for your reply! -- Jonathan Chen From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Aug 16 03:24:15 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A606BE591 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 03:24:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd35.google.com (mail-io1-xd35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d35]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468pZk5tCxz3F0S for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 03:24:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd35.google.com with SMTP id x4so3504403iog.13 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 20:24:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=YMsSLcJojW6HbN5cepOGYvfU5f1b2hBg7aDRNGDgoW0=; b=IVL0C0pyLbTbdbBLh2wTuL8AubdmQ0ld3pkVItXhTa1FMe4M3SC39MnvCVWoFD2g83 Q+QSBORhDPQKIB3DZT83+NlmPV9aJEpPPE7uJxwz11iQXYJwnKirC2JIOdsQsyFLF366 l1LuwWAslNLJSr/RBoqSEJx5spxyuInGeFQ+TbA0rCSrxW6mER7CtXSxni3as3VD9n+E MD6WhXxEfZaTYCyq2u3n7TgH+x6NdOEEz9acNacXAR3BJ0FAnt4zBo9xfoMVyrUw+819 lVwpeiNsTA16eZXG63XOcsGRpM3F2tGhJSp/wBIixTvXrOHFHajDavmemgZ0dA1wNkZY jMnw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=YMsSLcJojW6HbN5cepOGYvfU5f1b2hBg7aDRNGDgoW0=; b=AZW1XqKps75d6nLHbV1tcpOCPieJxRqLjroq+Llc/lgBqmUyy5y/RhPWZGGAqiaLHi xBr3UHaHyHm0h0K+89Wup7EhNIcivOSA+vz3/mC+NPzScigykIIii9mnTkxTEU/mzLIA HDRj2v5I8lWe8qrbUxbhUtMeC4AugCQb4xj9jTwAJZrz2efTsuGlZDLlvsHDU8gn9Wjd 2FjTQYOkHxujEv5hh+ulwAfP62vu8e5ql6AWSAUhpwl6o7Iv6fedWZwLl3u3eHv07KFf 0zpvvjNkO71OvyM4Dmzipi4+3ux6i6BvMdTerRufZQGJoRhBfzwROXQhXNWO1URVPlD2 I64Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWwahi9/h18La+0rjRI/WSY/Ties+HNXo5+blP+9zyIs7tjrGgi XLKzfsYrMNGjBFLN8R+LwtTuL5PZp7/NzrFGw7Y= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwONP4sor0m8V70qLsDu9GvCT2L/zBTXik2pZRWsnfRwWOkl/zpP8A/Iu9BWXcL5EuwtYmvkZ+seCK6djgqk7c= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6638:3d2:: with SMTP id r18mr8655096jaq.13.1565925853347; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 20:24:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0eeb4921-b8a5-f0f8-f568-80b240a73aec@hawaii-pacific.com> In-Reply-To: From: Adam Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 22:24:01 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: firefox To: Kevin Oberman Cc: "Jack L." , Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz>, Mark Millard via freebsd-ports , "@lbutlr" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468pZk5tCxz3F0S X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=IVL0C0py; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of amvandemore@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d35 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=amvandemore@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-5.32), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.96), asn: 15169(-2.38), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[5.3.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 03:24:15 -0000 On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 12:51 PM Kevin Oberman wrote: > Possibilities include hardware, especially graphics, web sites visited, and > Firefox configuration. Lots of tabs may be an issue as I try to keep my > open tabs under 20. > I can't imagine trying to deal with 200+, but it must eat a lot of > resources. That may be tied to the failures reported. > Seems reasonable. I usually don't have over a dozen tabs and it has been a very long time since FF has crashed. I use those tabs heavily along with a number of popular and not so popular extensions at different complex and varied sites. Actually it's mostly the same config across 3 FreeBSD systems all with the same FF stability. For the person saying FF crashes immediately after startup, well yes actually that sounds very much like a local issue on the surface at least. I would at least look at it under truss to see if there is something obvious. -- Adam From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Aug 16 03:31:02 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA1CBBE7B2 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 03:31:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from moridin@mm.st) Received: from wnew3-smtp.messagingengine.com (wnew3-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468pkY4KHDz3F88 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 03:31:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from moridin@mm.st) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailnew.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id E241B4E4 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 23:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); 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Thu, 15 Aug 2019 23:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: firefox To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <0eeb4921-b8a5-f0f8-f568-80b240a73aec@hawaii-pacific.com> From: moridin Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 06:30:56 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468pkY4KHDz3F88 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=mm.st header.s=fm1 header.b=uMj86mNo; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm3 header.b=Ac95umTs; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=mm.st; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of moridin@mm.st designates 64.147.123.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=moridin@mm.st X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.09 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:64.147.123.17]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[mm.st]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; 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Lots of tabs may be an issue as I try to keep my >> open tabs under 20. >> I can't imagine trying to deal with 200+, but it must eat a lot of >> resources. That may be tied to the failures reported. >> > > Seems reasonable. I usually don't have over a dozen tabs and it has been a > very long time since FF has crashed. I use those tabs heavily along with a > number of popular and not so popular extensions at different complex and > varied sites. Actually it's mostly the same config across 3 FreeBSD > systems all with the same FF stability. For the person saying FF crashes > immediately after startup, well yes actually that sounds very much like a > local issue on the surface at least. I would at least look at it under > truss to see if there is something obvious. FF crashing immediately on start sounds like dbus being disabled (or rather, not being enabled). 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From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Aug 16 06:20:25 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423EEC16B1 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 06:20:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xxjack12xx@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qt1-x836.google.com (mail-qt1-x836.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::836]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468tV03CZRz3LwZ for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 06:20:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xxjack12xx@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qt1-x836.google.com with SMTP id k13so4990498qtm.12 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 23:20:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=O2d9UN8GWXCfbt4vy1xmWhKxsZNrq+vaxqcCPFWQR68=; b=iAKpskHYb7ax3kTV6w0zMacHosYOEZ4tTl22xqjdmavMP7MsYR1jKGMws1bd5kMXL0 fcRFU5Wj+p4sqH5krB4MQmYB2K0L/lXjVF6mQVFWuQZgdvM+ENSGo7q2ttVDM1vp+jRI 4S8XuqkUiEL2jagzF4QLfIJHAs7gZT8vOiSXtIueOoIkboY6PwxP2EkymsAwpJKrb9Ki ok440kyV9JiumBsyWg6+5Ig1Z05E8dvAz539mLS9Qgmr0OqtI/GSgIAxHwxENTEf/SNM wQL6TQt39quFOkKP4xqYXPYvioMIrOxwt1t5UrUQo8MYN+JTOWwUolfk60OOqmFszKoP e9bA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=O2d9UN8GWXCfbt4vy1xmWhKxsZNrq+vaxqcCPFWQR68=; b=X8/71T7HLAbHAHVXn+sOfLoDTlRqym/ykqdp1NM9ebkMvc/UT5a1bSdVaz5KZ0B8To /Wn2FCegA+NBQDHa0AuZHx8gDhpIxlVpQDF296H8ztI16o+vdm8wom1lkDTccN87Q9v1 NFM7BYNupMIhdJHSCWBfC00T2QcRMghc/w+HtM26MZ+zhvvHBFrszB92cPOlsd/xGKmv 9EAIP7vsknIX6mzWXKV3u+6Gm/41p7XFiqQvXuHXNGFIN/o+VOuo6F0+HCtguZJpPpnt dDI8WXJVO8pdpb5pu0njhyQCJQSKksAFBk81PqQvxflf+irbUEqvCDLPetzg3hlLlmab Yxjg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXs7vKn27qRvSFCeBrL4x6/oyLnhzN/YM7j+6ffLmAmuBeyEkrh QxhqUKOgRE4cYNAVnPo9jbqSGY6h0uZ0ldZxsIU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwehvtpisTkBIoB83DGYWFhePHsLpIErV0j5F0qCRCos57rZ1mzc4FIhWPNA8U6QNBYfJ0TnjztJdJ/AjqU5H8= X-Received: by 2002:ad4:514b:: with SMTP id g11mr762276qvq.203.1565936422681; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 23:20:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0eeb4921-b8a5-f0f8-f568-80b240a73aec@hawaii-pacific.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Jack L." Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 23:20:30 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: firefox To: Kevin Oberman Cc: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz>, Mark Millard via freebsd-ports , "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468tV03CZRz3LwZ X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=iAKpskHY; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of xxjack12xx@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::836 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=xxjack12xx@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.27), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.96), asn: 15169(-2.38), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[6.3.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 06:20:25 -0000 On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:51 AM Kevin Oberman wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 1:29 AM Jack L. wrote: >> >> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:32 PM Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> wrot= e: >> > >> > @lbutlr wrote on 2019/08/12 07:08: >> > > On 11 Aug 2019, at 20:29, bruce wrote: >> > >> I have tried firefox. It crashes regularly >> > > >> > > That doesn=E2=80=99t sound right. If Firefox is crashing a lot there= is something not quite right with your system or install. >> > >> > I am using Seamonkey on everyday basis. Sometimes my computer is runni= ng >> > 20+ days without reboot and Seamonkey running all the time with 5 >> > windows and total count of 200+ openned tabs. No crashes at all. >> > Firefox crashes instantly after start (even if I delete its profile) >> > Palemoon, Qupzilla, Iridium crashes few times a day. >> > LibreOffice, Gimp and other apps are running fine. Only browsers are s= o >> > unstable these days. And as you can read I am not alone with this kind >> > of experience so I don't think it's just my computer problem. >> > >> > Miroslav Lachman >> >> yup, they don't make browsers like they used to > > > I'll probably regret opening this potential can of worms, but I find thes= e reports of instability in Firefox surprising. I have used Firfox as my we= b browser on FreeBSD for many year, going back to at least Firefox v3 and p= robably v2. I can't say I've never had it crash, but in the past year I can= 't recall a single crash on FreeBSD. It has been rock solid. So why is it f= ailing or some people? (I'll note in passing that Firefox has been somewhat= less stable on Windows 7 where it seems to crash every couple of weeks. > > Possibilities include hardware, especially graphics, web sites visited, a= nd Firefox configuration. Lots of tabs may be an issue as I try to keep my = open tabs under 20. > I can't imagine trying to deal with 200+, but it must eat a lot of resou= rces. That may be tied to the failures reported. My experience with firefox is it gets slower and slower and slower until it's practically unusable until it's restarted (even having only the gmail tab open for days) From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Aug 16 07:05:54 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82AF7C23F4 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 07:05:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468vVV300yz3Nh0 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 07:05:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 64389C23F0; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 07:05:54 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64042C23EF for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 07:05:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468vVV1ztgz3Ngt for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 07:05:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from portscout.nyi.freebsd.org (portscout.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24643253E0 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 07:05:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from portscout@localhost) by portscout.nyi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id x7G75sVC036264; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 07:05:54 GMT (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <201908160705.x7G75sVC036264@portscout.nyi.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: portscout.nyi.freebsd.org: portscout set sender to portscout@FreeBSD.org using -f Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 07:05:54 +0000 From: portscout@FreeBSD.org To: ports@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD ports you maintain which are out of date X-Mailer: portscout/0.8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 07:05:54 -0000 Dear port maintainer, The portscout new distfile checker has detected that one or more of your ports appears to be out of date. 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From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Aug 16 07:27:39 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA7CC2B54 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 07:27:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@waschbuesch.de) Received: from relay02.waschbuesch.it (relay02.waschbuesch.it [IPv6:2a00:cba0:100::232]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.waschbuesch.it", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468vzZ1qYGz3PWj for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 07:27:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@waschbuesch.de) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=waschbuesch.de; s=dkim; h=Message-Id:In-Reply-To:To:References:Date:Subject :Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:From:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=HgyKKh4Tp4Fw3Gkqw4HBF4/Tauh4UePLGr9tHVcnEgU=; b=K8i3cg0KY3sNx0y12YEdZGxxdH /bd8+9LucypNFdLmp4m5kVdg4Ekc2wIzT4fdpoS8ZxlmtqVvEbp8ZCZ2b4/ymieOsqNFgZdZq8s3u t3UaG85Cm8+vhxV3ZlZeywZTk3+uD3RaZA81siifqCpsztw+Yk7HJW0LR2ODnB63NHm8=; Received: by relay02.waschbuesch.it with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim) (envelope-from ) id 1hyWe5-00039m-7v for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 07:27:33 +0000 From: =?utf-8?Q?Martin_Waschb=C3=BCsch?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: PHP version retirement Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 09:27:32 +0200 References: <97336C1A-6743-462B-984A-6C513A5B9CED@prime.gushi.org> To: FreeBSD Ports In-Reply-To: <97336C1A-6743-462B-984A-6C513A5B9CED@prime.gushi.org> Message-Id: <57D05F4F-9379-4760-8BEE-7B432A6008DE@waschbuesch.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468vzZ1qYGz3PWj X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=waschbuesch.de header.s=dkim header.b=K8i3cg0K; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=waschbuesch.de; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of martin@waschbuesch.de designates 2a00:cba0:100::232 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=martin@waschbuesch.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.98 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[waschbuesch.de:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[2.3.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.1.0.0.a.b.c.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[waschbuesch.de:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[waschbuesch.de,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.995,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-1.79)[ipnet: 2a00:cba0::/32(-4.96), asn: 21476(-3.96), country: DE(-0.01)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21476, ipnet:2a00:cba0::/32, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 07:27:39 -0000 Hi Dan, > Am 16.08.2019 um 08:07 schrieb Dan Mahoney : >=20 > Martin and others, >=20 > I don=E2=80=99t have a good answer for this, other than to say that = PHP has been the bane of my existence for a while. As a admin, I=E2=80=99= ve lost more hours and sleep on PHP scripts than any other tool. PHP is = the programming language that brought us WordPress, MovableType, = PHPNuke, PostNuke, PHPBB, and Drupal. And I=E2=80=99ve had users = running sites with all of them. Shoddy security code and all. >=20 > The =E2=80=9Cbest=E2=80=9D way for running PHP (with the privileges of = your webserver, as an apache module) was a security nightmare, and = burned me badly. >=20 > PHP=E2=80=99s own builtin security =E2=80=9Cfeatures=E2=80=9D (for = example, open_basedir or safe mode) fail to do what they want to do (and = much canned code refuses to work with them turned on), while things like = allow_url_fopen enabled by default have made even the simplest php-based = homepage (where PHP is used as little more than a repacement for = mod_include) vulnerable to reflection attacks. >=20 > Lots of php-based code also has had a horrible history of version = upgrades. >=20 > Upgrading PHP burned me badly as well, as code would mysteriously = break on shared hosting systems, and my users would complain about = things breaking overnight, or errors being sent to stdout (i.e. the = browser). The PHP devs would randomly deprecate functions, which would = break otherwise-working older code. >=20 > Let me give you one simple example: Gallery. Gallery 1, which = doesn=E2=80=99t require a database backend. There=E2=80=99s no real = good replacement I=E2=80=99ve found for it, but it=E2=80=99s coded in a = hard to read/upgrade style. I=E2=80=99ve secured it by disabling = comments, as well as limiting access to the login/admin functions with = additional .htaccess restrictions, as well as carefully monitoring the = logs and file sizes. >=20 > The solution I ultimately arrived for keeping php both current *and* = compatible was that using SuPHP, I can enable multiple versions of PHP = to run concurrently, even back to php4, as well as limiting the = permissions php scripts have down to the owner, so that each site/vhost = has its own php.ini, users, and permissions. I get here by building = php=E2=80=99s CGI/CLI versions from scratch, and keeping copies of my = ./configure arguments handy for each version, so I can easily rebuild = them all if there=E2=80=99s a shared library change. This also lets me = easily swap in PHP versions to test if something will break, rather than = replacing/upgrading the one ports installs. >=20 > Sent from my iPad Thank you for your input. While I agree that PHP, in general, has been and still is a source of = lots of security issues, I do not think this is the central point in = this debate. There might be a high probability of security issues that are PHP = related for all I know, but again, the real question is: Why drop a package that has just had recent security updates after a = couple of weeks? I pointed out that I do not think lack of upstream development is in and = of itself sufficient grounds for doing so. At the very least, while it = may be unwise to use a now obsolete version of PHP, I doubt if an = argument along the lines of 'We removed this from ports. It's for your = own good' is a very good one. (For a number of reasons). The only other arguments I got so far seem to be about resources. I can = understand that. With limited resources you have to prioritize and = something will have to give. Now, in a reply to Adam, I asked specifically if there were pointers = that would help me evaluate how much effort is really involved. (My working theory being that I so far underestimate the work required = to do this.) Also, I asked if people were open to letting a group of people = interested in doing so continue to maintain an old version of php so = that it does not have to be removed from ports. Kurt suggested that as a feasible way forward and I agree. Earlier, Adam seemed open to discussing a way forward as well, but I am = not sure that still is the case. Since I do not yet feel comfortable that I correctly estimate the amount = of work, if enough people can be found to volunteer for this, but I = remain hopeful. All this notwithstanding, would you be willing to exchange hints & ideas = about securing (as far as possible) PHP setups some more, off-list? I'd like to ask some more about your approach. Best, Martin From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Aug 16 07:29:57 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E73C2C13 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 07:29:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=d7Iv=WM=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (elsa.codelab.cz [94.124.105.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468w2D3vwKz3Pbw for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 07:29:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=d7Iv=WM=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD172840C; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 09:29:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from illbsd.quip.test (ip-62-24-92-232.net.upcbroadband.cz [62.24.92.232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C692628423; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 09:29:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: firefox crash on start To: moridin , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <0eeb4921-b8a5-f0f8-f568-80b240a73aec@hawaii-pacific.com> From: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> Message-ID: <9146d5bf-ee48-e906-0849-def465165944@quip.cz> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 09:29:52 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468w2D3vwKz3Pbw X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of SRS0=d7Iv=WM=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz has no SPF policy when checking 94.124.105.4) smtp.mailfrom=SRS0=d7Iv=WM=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.83 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[000.fbsd@quip.cz,SRS0=d7Iv=WM=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[mm.st]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42000, ipnet:94.124.104.0/21, country:CZ]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[000.fbsd@quip.cz,SRS0=d7Iv=WM=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.87)[0.865,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[quip.cz]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.93)[0.928,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.92)[0.916,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.105.124.94.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.92)[ip: (0.49), ipnet: 94.124.104.0/21(0.24), asn: 42000(3.80), country: CZ(0.08)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 07:29:57 -0000 moridin wrote on 2019/08/16 05:30: > FF crashing immediately on start sounds like dbus being disabled (or > rather, not being enabled). Yes, it says "Bus error", but dbus is running and all other browsers start without any problem. > ps axuww | grep dbus messagebus 895 0.0 0.0 25628 2440 - Is Wed07PM 0:01.98 /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon --system root 1496 0.0 0.0 37164 2116 - I Wed07PM 0:00.00 dbus-launch --autolaunch ae4280dca0bb31b02b4dbd2057d0dd6d --binary-syntax --close-stderr root 1497 0.0 0.0 25628 1696 - Is Wed07PM 0:00.00 /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 5 --print-address 7 --session quip 1544 0.0 0.0 37164 2168 - I Wed07PM 0:00.00 dbus-launch --exit-with-session /usr/local/bin/startkde quip 1545 0.0 0.0 25628 2904 - Ss Wed07PM 0:17.99 /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 5 --print-address 7 --session quip 1986 0.0 0.0 25628 1960 - S Wed07PM 0:00.74 /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon --config-file=/usr/local/share/defaults/at-spi2/accessibility.conf --nofork --print-address 3 Miroslav Lachman From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Aug 16 07:44:19 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91342C314A for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 07:44:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=d7Iv=WM=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (elsa.codelab.cz [94.124.105.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468wLp4YZCz3QDy for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 07:44:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=d7Iv=WM=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09DFC28417; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 09:44:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from illbsd.quip.test (ip-62-24-92-232.net.upcbroadband.cz [62.24.92.232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EF06128416; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 09:44:14 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: PHP version retirement To: =?UTF-8?Q?Martin_Waschb=c3=bcsch?= , FreeBSD Ports References: <97336C1A-6743-462B-984A-6C513A5B9CED@prime.gushi.org> <57D05F4F-9379-4760-8BEE-7B432A6008DE@waschbuesch.de> From: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 09:44:14 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <57D05F4F-9379-4760-8BEE-7B432A6008DE@waschbuesch.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468wLp4YZCz3QDy X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of SRS0=d7Iv=WM=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz has no SPF policy when checking 94.124.105.4) smtp.mailfrom=SRS0=d7Iv=WM=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.88 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.87)[0.873,0]; IP_SCORE(0.92)[ip: (0.49), ipnet: 94.124.104.0/21(0.24), asn: 42000(3.80), country: CZ(0.08)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[quip.cz]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.96)[0.956,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.105.124.94.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.93)[0.932,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[000.fbsd@quip.cz,SRS0=d7Iv=WM=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42000, ipnet:94.124.104.0/21, country:CZ]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[000.fbsd@quip.cz,SRS0=d7Iv=WM=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 07:44:19 -0000 Martin Waschbüsch wrote on 2019/08/16 09:27: > Thank you for your input. > While I agree that PHP, in general, has been and still is a source of lots of security issues, I do not think this is the central point in this debate. > There might be a high probability of security issues that are PHP related for all I know, but again, the real question is: > > Why drop a package that has just had recent security updates after a couple of weeks? > > I pointed out that I do not think lack of upstream development is in and of itself sufficient grounds for doing so. At the very least, while it may be unwise to use a now obsolete version of PHP, I doubt if an argument along the lines of 'We removed this from ports. It's for your own good' is a very good one. (For a number of reasons). +1 > The only other arguments I got so far seem to be about resources. I can understand that. With limited resources you have to prioritize and something will have to give. > Now, in a reply to Adam, I asked specifically if there were pointers that would help me evaluate how much effort is really involved. > (My working theory being that I so far underestimate the work required to do this.) The effort to keep 5.6 in a tree for a few more months would be ... very little. It was done in quaterly branch after 5.6 was removed from head branch. I did my own updated version of the port (and extensions) from 5.6.39 to 5.6.40 without any issues - running on couple of machines till this day. > Also, I asked if people were open to letting a group of people interested in doing so continue to maintain an old version of php so that it does not have to be removed from ports. > Kurt suggested that as a feasible way forward and I agree. > Earlier, Adam seemed open to discussing a way forward as well, but I am not sure that still is the case. > Since I do not yet feel comfortable that I correctly estimate the amount of work, if enough people can be found to volunteer for this, but I remain hopeful. > > All this notwithstanding, would you be willing to exchange hints & ideas about securing (as far as possible) PHP setups some more, off-list? > I'd like to ask some more about your approach. You can put webserver, or just php-fpm inside jail and then just nullfs mount the directory tree with websites on partition with noexec mount flag .. to name a few. Kind regards Miroslav Lachman From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Aug 16 08:31:08 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA59DC4BFA for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 08:31:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joneum@FreeBSD.org) Received: from toco-domains.de (mail.toco-domains.de [176.9.100.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468xNr4b5zz3xNf for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 08:31:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joneum@FreeBSD.org) Received: by toco-domains.de (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 05857B01F0; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 10:31:05 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on toco-mail X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=4.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from [172.31.21.114] (visusmail.visus-tt.com [212.23.146.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by toco-domains.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 66E30B01E2; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 10:31:03 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: PHP version retirement To: Wolfgang Zenker , FreeBSD Ports References: <64faf143-bae3-378c-3ee2-b196c2ea4111@astart.com> <16731AF5-68E9-4E41-8D21-CF5917BE32A4@waschbuesch.de> <20190810231216.GA23293@lyxys.ka.sub.org> <20190811213145.GJ47196@lyxys.ka.sub.org> <20190812065542.GA57098@lyxys.ka.sub.org> From: Jochen Neumeister Message-ID: <096e7da2-7503-ff9e-c903-211a4acb9891@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 10:31:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190812065542.GA57098@lyxys.ka.sub.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-WatchGuard-AntiVirus: part scanned. clean action=allow X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468xNr4b5zz3xNf X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.97 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[FreeBSD.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.972,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:176.9.0.0/16, country:DE]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 08:31:09 -0000 Am 12.08.2019 um 08:55 schrieb Wolfgang Zenker: > * Kevin Oberman [190812 01:50]: >> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 4:23 PM Martin Waschbüsch >> wrote: >>>> Am 11.08.2019 um 23:31 schrieb Wolfgang Zenker : >>>> * Martin Waschbüsch [190811 20:41]: >>>>> [..] >>>>>> You could also have used the quarterly branch, which keeps software till >>>>>> the end of the quarter. In the case of php 5.6 it would have given you >>>>>> time until March 31st, and would have included version 5.6.40 >>>>> 5.6.40 never made it into the main ports tree. Are you sure it was >>> available in the quarterly snapshot? >>>> I am sure. You can check for yourself using the svnweb interface at the >>>> FreeBSD website; php 5.6.40 was added to the 2019Q1 branch on Jan 26th >>> Thanks, Wolfgang, for pointing that out. >>> Up to now I always thought of quarterly as a static snapshot of the main >>> ports tree made at a given point in time. > No, quarterly gets security fixes, just no "feature updates". That's why > we use it in production, so we have to handle potentially breaking > changes only once a quarter. > >> OK. Where did 5.6.40 come from? >> I just looked at the ports repo and it was NEVER committed there. The very >> last commit to ports/head/lang/php56 was 5.6.39. Whil it has no impact on >> me, I find it very odd to find a package that never existed in ports. That >> makes it impossible for me to access the source for this package and >> recreate it for any reason. My gut feeling is that this is broken and >> should never happen. > It was committed on the 2019Q1 branch only, because HEAD didn't have the > php56 port anymore at that time. See here: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-ports-branches/2019-January/006568.html From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Aug 16 09:10:13 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1BA0C5A06 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 09:10:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wjw@digiware.nl) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468yFx34Pyz40Hr for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 09:10:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wjw@digiware.nl) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 682E3C5A05; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 09:10:13 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67F1AC5A04 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 09:10:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wjw@digiware.nl) Received: from smtp.digiware.nl (smtp.digiware.nl [176.74.240.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468yFw3V98z40Hq for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 09:10:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wjw@digiware.nl) Received: from router.digiware.nl (localhost.digiware.nl [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.digiware.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB544AE644; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 11:10:02 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at digiware.com Received: from smtp.digiware.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by router.digiware.nl (router.digiware.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u5f5zWQ61lU3; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 11:10:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.10.67] (opteron [192.168.10.67]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.digiware.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3DC9CAE642 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 11:10:02 +0200 (CEST) To: "ports@freebsd.org" From: Willem Jan Withagen Subject: Trying to make a new package Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 11:10:01 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468yFw3V98z40Hq X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wjw@digiware.nl designates 176.74.240.9 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=wjw@digiware.nl X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.89 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[ports@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[digiware.nl]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[9.240.74.176.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.9.2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.993,0]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-3.40)[ip: (-9.77), ipnet: 176.74.224.0/19(-4.88), asn: 28878(-2.37), country: NL(0.01)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:28878, ipnet:176.74.224.0/19, country:NL]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 09:10:13 -0000 Hi, I'm trying to release a new version of the ceph13 port. But if I'm doing what I normally do: first test the build in /usr/ports/ceph13 before going to poudriere, I get: root@zfstest:/usr/ports/net/ceph13 # make makesum ===> ceph13-13.2.2 has known vulnerabilities: 0 problem(s) in 0 installed package(s) found. Never had that before..... Whats up? --WjW From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Aug 16 09:35:27 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B727DC666D for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 09:35:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from w.schwarzenfeld@utanet.at) Received: from tatiana.utanet.at (tatiana.utanet.at [IPv6:2001:938:1337:25::25:46]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468yq263Y5z4249 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 09:35:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from w.schwarzenfeld@utanet.at) Received: from paris-s.drei.host ([213.90.36.62]) by tatiana.utanet.at with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hyYdm-0004v6-V0 for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 11:35:22 +0200 Received: from 193-80-27-33.adsl.highway.telekom.at ([193.80.27.33] helo=[10.0.0.93]) by paris-s.drei.host with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hyYdm-0007hq-Rx for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 11:35:22 +0200 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: Subject: Re: Trying to make a new package From: Walter Schwarzenfeld Message-ID: <5afaf899-7c96-2651-2f0f-15cf66f28fc5@utanet.at> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 11:34:49 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-H3G-Authenticated-As: cf62768e218b4d81d95cc5390f1bd9dfc8b05683 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468yq263Y5z4249 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of w.schwarzenfeld@utanet.at designates 2001:938:1337:25::25:46 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=w.schwarzenfeld@utanet.at X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.39 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:938:1337:25::/64]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[utanet.at]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[utanet.at]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.987,0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.56), ipnet: 2001:938::/32(-4.79), asn: 8437(-3.78), country: AT(-0.10)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[6.4.0.0.5.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.5.2.0.0.7.3.3.1.8.3.9.0.1.0.0.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[utanet.at]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8437, ipnet:2001:938::/32, country:AT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 09:35:27 -0000 Strange! Works without problems on my system. Got no warning. From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Aug 16 14:37:05 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44B7FCDC4E for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 14:37:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Lena@lena.kiev.ua) Received: from lena.kiev.ua (lena.kiev.ua [62.109.6.225]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4695W16fvnz4Kyv; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 14:37:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Lena@lena.kiev.ua) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lena.kiev.ua; s=3; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References: Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=qicrNc2cPBGkzSan6GTLea/FgmfqNV6mVb51e0G4Zg0=; b=SRurRUCb8xQnqdpahnIziNL5Wn /x0uuriEi6SsXTWNdWzDfRHnGLkT59ZvawO7KBg2wVekXX/5Jt6C8W6gCAAViXDKm/0hZaSBpRaFl mgvOCHiZVp3IrqEChEp3Zou7Z1Rv6nREGcXfYXjvawWLiE1lMY91/tCGE/SD5sVFNX4I=; Received: from ip-1926.rusanovka-net.kiev.ua ([94.244.25.38] helo=bedside.lena.kiev.ua) by lena.kiev.ua with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1hydLi-000NHW-5x; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 17:37:02 +0300 Received: from bedside.lena.kiev.ua (localhost.lena.kiev.ua [127.0.0.1]) by bedside.lena.kiev.ua (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x7GEawKx007485; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 17:36:58 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from Lena@lena.kiev.ua) Received: (from lena@localhost) by bedside.lena.kiev.ua (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id x7GEawMJ007484; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 17:36:58 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from Lena@lena.kiev.ua) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 17:36:57 +0300 From: Lena@lena.kiev.ua To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Cc: Kurt Jaeger Subject: Palemoon browser Message-ID: <20190816143657.GN787@lena.kiev> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20190815194806.GA3427@home.opsec.eu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4695W16fvnz4Kyv X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=lena.kiev.ua header.s=3 header.b=SRurRUCb; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=lena.kiev.ua; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of Lena@lena.kiev.ua designates 62.109.6.225 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=Lena@lena.kiev.ua X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.03 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[lena.kiev.ua:s=3]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[lena.kiev.ua.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.6.2]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[225.6.109.62.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.6.2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[lena.kiev.ua:+]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.07)[-0.066,0]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[lena.kiev.ua,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:29182, ipnet:62.109.0.0/21, country:RU]; IP_SCORE(0.23)[asn: 29182(1.16), country: RU(0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 14:37:05 -0000 > I'm using palemoon as fallback browser, which has other issues. > Not the least the removal due to security issues from the ports tree. > I still build it, and it still builds 8-} Do you build Palemoon 27.9.4 or 28.6.1? Slack and Google's reCAPTCHA don't work in Palemoon 27. :( From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Aug 16 14:46:01 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB7CCE0A8 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 14:46:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pi@freebsd.org) Received: from fc.opsec.eu (fc.opsec.eu [IPv6:2001:14f8:200:4::4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4695jP1pJrz4LTC for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 14:46:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pi@freebsd.org) Received: from pi by fc.opsec.eu with local (Exim 4.92 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1hydUG-000Gjc-Ps; Fri, 16 Aug 2019 16:45:52 +0200 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 16:45:52 +0200 From: Kurt Jaeger To: Lena@lena.kiev.ua Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Palemoon browser Message-ID: <20190816144552.GW1328@fc.opsec.eu> References: <20190816143657.GN787@lena.kiev> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20190816143657.GN787@lena.kiev> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4695jP1pJrz4LTC X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.98 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.981,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12502, ipnet:2001:14f8::/32, country:DE] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 14:46:01 -0000 Hi! > > I'm using palemoon as fallback browser, which has other issues. > > Not the least the removal due to security issues from the ports tree. > > I still build it, and it still builds 8-} > > Do you build Palemoon 27.9.4 or 28.6.1? The last version that was in the ports, so 27.9.4. > Slack and Google's reCAPTCHA don't work in Palemoon 27. :( Yes, I'm aware. danfe@ once planned to update the port to 28.6.1, but I guess it's really non-trivial and he has plenty of other things on his table. -- pi@FreeBSD.org +49 171 3101372 One year to go ! From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sat Aug 17 07:04:50 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83566BD847 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2019 07:04:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 469WQp2t0rz44K6 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2019 07:04:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 60D07BD846; Sat, 17 Aug 2019 07:04:50 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F774BD844 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2019 07:04:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 469WQp1gCTz44K2 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2019 07:04:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from portscout.nyi.freebsd.org (portscout.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CC18E0E0 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2019 07:04:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from portscout@localhost) by portscout.nyi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id x7H74noh050084; Sat, 17 Aug 2019 07:04:50 GMT (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <201908170704.x7H74noh050084@portscout.nyi.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: portscout.nyi.freebsd.org: portscout set sender to portscout@FreeBSD.org using -f Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 07:04:49 +0000 From: portscout@FreeBSD.org To: ports@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD ports you maintain which are out of date X-Mailer: portscout/0.8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 07:04:50 -0000 Dear port maintainer, The portscout new distfile checker has detected that one or more of your ports appears to be out of date. 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From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sat Aug 17 10:08:54 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF792C25A0 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2019 10:08:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 469bW92R4Mz4D0n for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2019 10:08:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x7HA8Zv8083039 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 17 Aug 2019 12:08:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: firefox To: Mark Millard via freebsd-ports Cc: Kevin Oberman , "Jack L." , Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz>, "@lbutlr" References: <0eeb4921-b8a5-f0f8-f568-80b240a73aec@hawaii-pacific.com> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 12:08:35 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 469bW92R4Mz4D0n X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.80 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:2.44.121.52]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[netfence.it]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.973,0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE(-1.53)[ip: (-5.12), ipnet: 2.44.0.0/16(-2.56), asn: 30722(0.02), country: IT(0.03)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 10:08:55 -0000 On 8/15/19 7:50 PM, Kevin Oberman wrote: > I'll probably regret opening this potential can of worms, but I find these > reports of instability in Firefox surprising. I have used Firfox as my web > browser on FreeBSD for many year, going back to at least Firefox v3 and > probably v2. I can't say I've never had it crash, but in the past year I > can't recall a single crash on FreeBSD. Well, in my case it sometimes crashes. There is also a specific notorious site which can hang it systematically. Due to my limited available time, and the fact that I'm running with a patch (see https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=222356), I never bothered to debug it (or just make something out of its cores). AFAICT that patch will be soon obsolete; after I'm back to a somewhat official version, I'll surely dig into this, if the issue persist. bye av. From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sat Aug 17 14:56:14 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6029C9A2D for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2019 14:56:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi1-x22c.google.com (mail-oi1-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::22c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 469jtj1MZyz4S0T for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2019 14:56:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi1-x22c.google.com with SMTP id 16so6884641oiq.6 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2019 07:56:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=MSFq/YZ4SMTtw7Ntjsk1Go4Ghs1zZPiscG3uO0DltP4=; b=sXPybArQQ7AMGKoxX/ptZkwz3U1cTZgly/LIsg6BjDtfQF0gmC9zuLi+pBnkk689rI aZAcU25l7DqmWW6uoq/FcLj1t33uKGFOtanH5Amw1dXm9RgKDECm2nS0Q0hLWJR1eWEH zJz6MyUR7FWt/HYMH2OWMukfgKVNnLnQq/nYjhmmyV0lhX6EJN/HIXdZtT7Hy1+fjdW9 L3fWrICVpGdcreMV0cKG7vfIcf+C+e5vPQEWlYgKwwYGYxU6TNDQiL3oUmjP2iQSNnS8 7SA1Lgc2n2ZszeVjjXZgelArfCRgvupu0v7o+U/w50TXDyo5WSgdp/ltmsg28Yug5GLH EnZA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=MSFq/YZ4SMTtw7Ntjsk1Go4Ghs1zZPiscG3uO0DltP4=; b=ATlnR5Ic024U+qPbOGVclpY52/ifWym7xVn10jd7pTpukyCaArhXpWBjuN1eaNiLLx mkrWc5usAnHy9I02x8Yky5J8J9KRC108aNQKrTsZ/WPuJDoI9iJZnJrxNpQ9aZHLAJ4e FzsJM7AISQv7hVZjUDpy+C1qgVf7LtklHyWJRARmamU5gCflljJijvDdg9vzGGMDoCFH fm26XygbUBGyk7rUzGUyzKp++nMDz4oqhL3CAIvfPxlfUxpZP+qSzzX5GqTCttEzlVpM GPQU8GdFGLUIwyMhXAoS0RBGKnfGQg8/Y24WwaQHOFmJHPd0sK3ZjQTRSnc5Cqvk26rF Qjdw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAU+f6l2jxO5S9uol2a8HVMiVfNNGP/IHaSukP3N2Mj7MiLOiftp 6lAnmEFvxbEJDIoIfgOaLYHmIC7xN1balJNMjVQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzJExoIV+sZugsCO1C/3ty1giEo6mWQXNgmpcJt/wHc/IussHoelAlonpSVrpP/RWF8cbvyKRQ35YrGqtLM1h4= X-Received: by 2002:aca:ab56:: with SMTP id u83mr8692507oie.57.1566053771365; Sat, 17 Aug 2019 07:56:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0eeb4921-b8a5-f0f8-f568-80b240a73aec@hawaii-pacific.com> In-Reply-To: From: Kevin Oberman Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 07:55:54 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: firefox To: "Jack L." Cc: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz>, Mark Millard via freebsd-ports , "@lbutlr" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 469jtj1MZyz4S0T X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=sXPybArQ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kob6558@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::22c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kob6558@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.70 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[rkoberman@gmail.com,kob6558@gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.15), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.96), asn: 15169(-2.38), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[rkoberman@gmail.com,kob6558@gmail.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[c.2.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 14:56:14 -0000 On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 11:20 PM Jack L. wrote: > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:51 AM Kevin Oberman > wrote: > > > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 1:29 AM Jack L. wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:32 PM Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> > wrote: > >> > > >> > @lbutlr wrote on 2019/08/12 07:08: > >> > > On 11 Aug 2019, at 20:29, bruce wrote: > >> > >> I have tried firefox. It crashes regularly > >> > > > >> > > That doesn=E2=80=99t sound right. If Firefox is crashing a lot the= re is > something not quite right with your system or install. > >> > > >> > I am using Seamonkey on everyday basis. Sometimes my computer is > running > >> > 20+ days without reboot and Seamonkey running all the time with 5 > >> > windows and total count of 200+ openned tabs. No crashes at all. > >> > Firefox crashes instantly after start (even if I delete its profile) > >> > Palemoon, Qupzilla, Iridium crashes few times a day. > >> > LibreOffice, Gimp and other apps are running fine. Only browsers are > so > >> > unstable these days. And as you can read I am not alone with this ki= nd > >> > of experience so I don't think it's just my computer problem. > >> > > >> > Miroslav Lachman > >> > >> yup, they don't make browsers like they used to > > > > > > I'll probably regret opening this potential can of worms, but I find > these reports of instability in Firefox surprising. I have used Firfox as > my web browser on FreeBSD for many year, going back to at least Firefox v= 3 > and probably v2. I can't say I've never had it crash, but in the past yea= r > I can't recall a single crash on FreeBSD. It has been rock solid. So why = is > it failing or some people? (I'll note in passing that Firefox has been > somewhat less stable on Windows 7 where it seems to crash every couple of > weeks. > > > > Possibilities include hardware, especially graphics, web sites visited, > and Firefox configuration. Lots of tabs may be an issue as I try to keep = my > open tabs under 20. > > I can't imagine trying to deal with 200+, but it must eat a lot of > resources. That may be tied to the failures reported. > > My experience with firefox is it gets slower and slower and slower > until it's practically unusable until it's restarted (even having only > the gmail tab open for days) > Try looking at the memory pressure on your system. Firefox, especially when running heavy-duty pages like gmail. I noticed that rss (res on top) would grow until swapping started. It would continue until my swap partition was full followed by the expected... the system grinding to a halt. I could usually catch it before swap was full and restarting firefox would fix it for a while. If you want to monitor memory use, I suggest sysutils/gkrellm2. To looks at firefox use, "ps -uc | grep firefox" provides the rss for all firefox processes. rss is hte 6th column. You could write a quick script to sum the numbers, but I have just added them up manually. I increased RAM from 4G to 8, the max for the hardware, and that improved things a lot. (If you add memory, don't forget to enlarge swap.) Firefox still is huge, but the system now handles it much better. I checked the INITIAL memory use by Firefox recently and it was nearly 3.7G. And it grows from there. I saw similar issues with chrome, but I no longer use it. -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sat Aug 17 22:44:25 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EDFCB3EB5 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2019 22:44:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta01.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.228]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 469wGw5T3Fz3Mmv for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2019 22:44:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from localhost ([96.28.161.151]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id z7QqhutoGP088z7Qsh78Dg; Sat, 17 Aug 2019 22:44:22 +0000 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 22:43:33 +0000 From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: firefox or what? References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <20190812164800.1bc5581b40de9436a977ea02@sohara.org> <875zn22mmc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <871rxorh4y.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <5be8adb1-cf57-9e24-4ce9-27a76cc3ece8@netfence.it> <3e27ec4d-65d0-063e-eb5e-4465aa4cbc84@gmail.com> <20190815124616.3916a9a0e4958c29917c57fd@gc-24.de> <39be165e-0d6c-5ba5-7fec-caaae9603812@gmail.com> <20190815190435.ae53f114489da5de8cf343d1@gc-24.de> <063af304b35c7b8f852ec0a00f1282f24f8db56e.camel@rocketmail.com> <5cf06276-5b83-dc43-9a66-6dd2489391de@netfence.it> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfAzM2HvRIyzpNIXhDxm4dEPRnrAFronNVr/srDl0MElxp0CUafExhbpOYwUcP3gTEWnfggOzClTnQgwjupoIPi61W/Be9GxVdUzRhMNfhu+u4SGmzrjY XYr5WkeKWki068zsDANzFTWPG9jfbNYAIBiOWwWNMIwd/4jqBgWK1rk9 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 469wGw5T3Fz3Mmv X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mueller6722@twc.com designates 107.14.73.228 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mueller6722@twc.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.24 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.994,0]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[151.161.28.96.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:107.14.73.0/24]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[twc.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[twc.com]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.990,0]; MISSING_MID(2.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-4.01), ipnet: 107.14.73.0/24(-2.83), asn: 7843(-2.26), country: US(-0.05)]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.977,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[228.73.14.107.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7843, ipnet:107.14.73.0/24, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[twc.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 22:44:25 -0000 from Andrea Venturoli: > While continuing this thread down the slope it got (with useless arguments on > netiquette, release engineering, supposed NFS incompatibilities, etc...) is a > nonsense, I think half the OP's original question still holds, i.e.: what > viable browsers (other than FireFox) do we have available in the port > collection? > Some times ago, when PaleMoon was removed, I felt the need to find an > alternative. > Searching the www categories and excluding text-only browsers, still yields a > lot of results. > Some are too lightweight (read: they can't make "modern" > useless-javascript-crap-infested sites work), some just crash... trying them > all would be a huge task. > So I hoped to collect experiences on this. I was favorably impressed by Otter Browser, but have not been able to update because my FreeBSD installation, 11.1-STABLE, is too far behind for updating ports. I can see Dillo and Netsurf are too lightweight, not up to the gymnastics required by modern crap-infested websites. I would also like to try to build Midori again, a more modern version than 0.5.11. Tom From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sat Aug 17 23:42:21 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057B1B4FE8 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2019 23:42:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (mx1.dismail.de [78.46.223.134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx1.dismail.de", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 469xYl31Xjz3PSx for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2019 23:42:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@dismail.de) Received: from dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id f9cc01fa for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2019 01:42:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de (10.240.26.11 [10.240.26.11]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 4cb06091 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2019 01:42:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 1fa46e72 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2019 01:42:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id c34b49cd (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO) for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2019 01:42:15 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 23:42:13 +0000 From: To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: firefox or what? Message-ID: <20190817234213.562b5035@dismail.de> References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <20190812164800.1bc5581b40de9436a977ea02@sohara.org> <875zn22mmc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <871rxorh4y.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <5be8adb1-cf57-9e24-4ce9-27a76cc3ece8@netfence.it> <3e27ec4d-65d0-063e-eb5e-4465aa4cbc84@gmail.com> <20190815124616.3916a9a0e4958c29917c57fd@gc-24.de> <39be165e-0d6c-5ba5-7fec-caaae9603812@gmail.com> <20190815190435.ae53f114489da5de8cf343d1@gc-24.de> <063af304b35c7b8f852ec0a00f1282f24f8db56e.camel@rocketmail.com> <5cf06276-5b83-dc43-9a66-6dd2489391de@netfence.it> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 469xYl31Xjz3PSx X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.87 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[dismail.de:s=201701]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:78.46.223.134]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[dismail.de.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; IP_SCORE(-2.78)[ip: (-9.91), ipnet: 78.46.0.0/15(-2.11), asn: 24940(-1.84), country: DE(-0.01)]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[dismail.de:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[dismail.de,reject]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.992,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[134.223.46.78.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:78.46.0.0/15, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 23:42:21 -0000 On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 22:43:33 +0000 "Thomas Mueller" wrote: > from Andrea Venturoli: >=20 > > While continuing this thread down the slope it got (with useless > > arguments on netiquette, release engineering, supposed NFS > > incompatibilities, etc...) is a nonsense, I think half the OP's > > original question still holds, i.e.: what viable browsers (other > > than FireFox) do we have available in the port collection? >=20 > > Some times ago, when PaleMoon was removed, I felt the need to find > > an alternative. > > Searching the www categories and excluding text-only browsers, > > still yields a lot of results. > > Some are too lightweight (read: they can't make "modern" > > useless-javascript-crap-infested sites work), some just crash... > > trying them all would be a huge task. >=20 > > So I hoped to collect experiences on this. >=20 > I was favorably impressed by Otter Browser, but have not been able to > update because my FreeBSD installation, 11.1-STABLE, is too far > behind for updating ports. >=20 > I can see Dillo and Netsurf are too lightweight, not up to the > gymnastics required by modern crap-infested websites. >=20 > I would also like to try to build Midori again, a more modern version > than 0.5.11. >=20 > Tom >=20 I am using for some web sites Qutebrowser. It works well but I am not sure how safe it is. --=20 =E2=80=9CHungry man, reach for the book: it is a weapon.=E2=80=9D=20 =E2=80=95 Bertolt Brecht